From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jun  1 00:19:39 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:19:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register
References: <20070601061200.GBRA1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000a01c7a41d$3fd0bdc0$d4ee683a@Edd>

That's great mate and I know you will do a great job.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register


>
> As many of you know the Austral Oil Engine register, compiled over many
> years by Peter Willcock, was closed at the end of last year. After much
> 



From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jun  1 00:44:20 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:44:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register
In-Reply-To: <20070601061200.GBRA1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20070601061200.GBRA1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070601173649.01ab2be0@ncable.com.au>

So Patrick are you comming over to pick it up and do the photo type 
thing. It's great news for engine collectors as Peter is aging a 
little and the register has to take a back seat for him. This keeps 
the info fresh and in the forefront of Austral & Australian engine 
collecting. Would be good to make/do an official hand over. Good 
story for the tomm and I'm sure Pete wouldn't mind. Plus I could load 
my akroyd barrel into the back of your ute to take back to Pauls for 
me :-) hehehehe
regards Russell


At 04:11 PM 1/06/2007, you wrote:

>As many of you know the Austral Oil Engine register, compiled over many
>years by Peter Willcock, was closed at the end of last year. After much
>discussion I am taking over the project, to keep the register alive. There
>are still a lot of Australs out there not on the register and still a lot
>more information to be found and disseminated.
>I hope to compile all the information into a computer data-base over the
>next few months and will hopefully soon have it all up and running. This
>should allow me to provide maximum benefit for those interested in the
>Austral Oil Engines without me filling up all my free time trying to keep
>track of it all.
>The task makes me appreciate even more the work that others do maintaining
>engine registers and researching the history of the engines. It is important
>to make the information as available as possible for our fellow enthusiasts
>& I hope to do the Austral Register the justice it deserves.
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jun  1 01:40:45 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:40:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register
References: <20070601061200.GBRA1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070601173649.01ab2be0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <000601c7a428$8cbc5b70$d4ee683a@Edd>

How does the song go .Never let a chance go by oh lord.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register


> So Patrick are you comming over to pick it up and do the photo type
> thing. It's great news for engine collectors as Peter is aging a
> little and the register has to take a back seat for him. This keeps
> the info fresh and in the forefront of Austral & Australian engine
> collecting. Would be good to make/do an official hand over. Good
> story for the tomm and I'm sure Pete wouldn't mind. Plus I could load
> my akroyd barrel into the back of your ute to take back to Pauls for
> me :-) hehehehe
> regards Russell
>
>
> At 04:11 PM 1/06/2007, you wrote:
>
>>As many of you know the Austral Oil Engine register, compiled over many
>>years by Peter Willcock, was closed at the end of last year. After much
>>discussion I am taking over the project, to keep the register alive. There
>>are still a lot of Australs out there not on the register and still a lot
>>more information to be found and disseminated.
>>I hope to compile all the information into a computer data-base over the
>>next few months and will hopefully soon have it all up and running. This
>>should allow me to provide maximum benefit for those interested in the
>>Austral Oil Engines without me filling up all my free time trying to keep
>>track of it all.
>>The task makes me appreciate even more the work that others do maintaining
>>engine registers and researching the history of the engines. It is 
>>important
>>to make the information as available as possible for our fellow 
>>enthusiasts
>>& I hope to do the Austral Register the justice it deserves.
>>
>>Patrick M Livingstone
>>Leichhardt NSW
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jun  1 04:38:23 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 06:38:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <465EBC4B.8060006@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEELFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

Sorry about the delay in replying to your message.  "Stuff" happened.  Give my F-M Jack of All Trades page a shot.  I got about as close as I can on the color.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jack/F-M%20Jack.html

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T

> Dave Ernst wrote:
>
>   
> Anyone know where to find the correct color 
> code for a FM T?
> Thanks in advance,
> Dave




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jun  1 11:41:28 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:41:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Portland visitors
Message-ID: <20070601.114129.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Is anyone from the UK coming to the Portland show this year?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jun  1 13:00:30 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:00:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland visitors
In-Reply-To: <20070601.114129.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070601.114129.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706011557590.20651@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Ron,

I think Craig Morrison, Neville Beaty, and Peter & Rita Forbes are
planning on Portland this year.  Sadly, the French mob are blowing us off.
Again.  8-((

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Hi all.  Is anyone from the UK coming to the Portland show this year?



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jun  1 12:43:30 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:43:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Portland visitors
Message-ID: <20070601.124331.1472.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Arnie.
 
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
writes:
> Hi Ron,
> 
> I think Craig Morrison, Neville Beaty, and Peter & Rita Forbes are
> planning on Portland this year.  Sadly, the French mob are blowing 
> us off.
> Again.  8-((
> 
> See ya,  Arnie


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Jun  1 14:23:09 2007
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:23:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland visitors
References: <20070601.114129.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706011557590.20651@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c7a493$0fc190c0$c699e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi Arnie ,
            As far as I know Neville Beaty will definately not be coming to 
Portland as he crossesa the pond next week to attend Coolsprings instead , 
but I will most ndefinately be making the trip.

See you latter,  Craig Morrison
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland visitors


> Hi Ron,
>
> I think Craig Morrison, Neville Beaty, and Peter & Rita Forbes are
> planning on Portland this year.  Sadly, the French mob are blowing us off.
> Again.  8-((
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all.  Is anyone from the UK coming to the Portland show this year?
>
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> 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jun  1 18:15:26 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:15:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My OZ Kero Box
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	This will go NICELY with the 11 HP Austral that Rob and Kelley sold me in 
September. I'm pretty sure that Russell Gilbert purchased it for me, but 
Russell has not contacted me as yet to tell me that it was his bid!
	See:  http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=ST 
See: 
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260121202887&rd=1&rd=1
	Dave
PS, In any event it looks like a nice box--and doG knows, I LIKE a nice box!



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jun  1 19:14:34 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 19:14:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] My OZ Kero Box
Message-ID: <20070601.191434.884.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 You are right Dave, that is a mighty fine box.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:15:26 -0500 Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
writes:
> Hi All,
>         This will go NICELY with the 11 HP Austral that Rob and 
> Kelley sold me in 
> September. I'm pretty sure that Russell Gilbert purchased it for me, 
> but 
> Russell has not contacted me as yet to tell me that it was his bid!
>         See:  
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=ST 
> 
> See: 
>
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3
AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260121202887&rd=1&rd=1
>         Dave
> PS, In any event it looks like a nice box--and doG knows, I LIKE a 
> nice box!


From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jun  1 19:30:30 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:30:30 +0800
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>

These are the first few stanzas of my latest epic poem. If you can stand 
the first sample, I could be persuaded to drip-feed the remainder . . . 
or to desist entirely, given sufficient inducement (Paypal, Visa or 
American Express accepted)

Warning to any sensitive souls or lovers of fine poetry out there. Do
not read on.

=====
"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)

The workshop was a thatched one
The outside old and mean
Yet everything within that shed
Was wondrous neat and clean.

The night was dark and stormy
The wind was howling wild
A patient owner knelt beside
The crankcase of his "child".

A little worn out power plant
Whose once bright paint grown dim
He was the restorer's only child,
He called him "Little Jim".

And oh! to see the burning tears fast running down his cheek
As he offered up his prayers in thought he was afraid to speak.
"Just start once more", he sobbed, "I love you better than my wife"
For there was all an owner's love in that poor restorer's life.

With hands uplifted he kneels beside the engine's bed
And prays that the night may spare his 'Tag and take himself instead.
He gets his answer from the echos resounding in the hut
"Kick,zip...Kick,zip...Kick,zip......Puff......puff......puff........phut!"


(to be continued)

====
Submitted more in sorrow than regret.(sob) - JW?









From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jun  1 19:54:35 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:54:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Dont give up yer day job!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


These are the first few stanzas of my latest epic poem. If you can stand
the first sample, I could be persuaded to drip-feed the remainder . . .
or to desist entirely, given sufficient inducement (Paypal, Visa or
American Express accepted)

Warning to any sensitive souls or lovers of fine poetry out there. Do
not read on.

=====
"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)

The workshop was a thatched one
The outside old and mean
Yet everything within that shed
Was wondrous neat and clean.

The night was dark and stormy
The wind was howling wild
A patient owner knelt beside
The crankcase of his "child".

A little worn out power plant
Whose once bright paint grown dim
He was the restorer's only child,
He called him "Little Jim".

And oh! to see the burning tears fast running down his cheek
As he offered up his prayers in thought he was afraid to speak.
"Just start once more", he sobbed, "I love you better than my wife"
For there was all an owner's love in that poor restorer's life.

With hands uplifted he kneels beside the engine's bed
And prays that the night may spare his 'Tag and take himself instead.
He gets his answer from the echos resounding in the hut
"Kick,zip...Kick,zip...Kick,zip......Puff......puff......puff........phut!"


(to be continued)

====
Submitted more in sorrow than regret.(sob) - JW?







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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 20:06:01 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:06:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <659763.38551.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day Jack

Brilliant, keep it up

Kerry

Lithgow NSW Oz


--- Jack Watson <nadejack at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> These are the first few stanzas of my latest epic
> poem. If you can stand 
> the first sample, I could be persuaded to drip-feed
> the remainder . . . 
> or to desist entirely, given sufficient inducement
> (Paypal, Visa or 
> American Express accepted)
> 
> Warning to any sensitive souls or lovers of fine
> poetry out there. Do
> not read on.
> 
> =====
> "Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by
> JW?
>                  (with apologies to Edward Farmer)
> 
> The workshop was a thatched one
> The outside old and mean
> Yet everything within that shed
> Was wondrous neat and clean.
> 
> The night was dark and stormy
> The wind was howling wild
> A patient owner knelt beside
> The crankcase of his "child".
> 
> A little worn out power plant
> Whose once bright paint grown dim
> He was the restorer's only child,
> He called him "Little Jim".
> 
> And oh! to see the burning tears fast running down
> his cheek
> As he offered up his prayers in thought he was
> afraid to speak.
> "Just start once more", he sobbed, "I love you
> better than my wife"
> For there was all an owner's love in that poor
> restorer's life.
> 
> With hands uplifted he kneels beside the engine's
> bed
> And prays that the night may spare his 'Tag and take
> himself instead.
> He gets his answer from the echos resounding in the
> hut
>
"Kick,zip...Kick,zip...Kick,zip......Puff......puff......puff........phut!"
> 
> 
> (to be continued)
> 
> ====
> Submitted more in sorrow than regret.(sob) - JW?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
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> 



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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Fri Jun  1 22:36:22 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:36:22 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <000e01c7a4d7$f4e6aa70$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

Jack you are a true poet look forward to part 2 brent nz 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 2:31 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

These are the first few stanzas of my latest epic poem. If you can stand 
the first sample, I could be persuaded to drip-feed the remainder . . . 
or to desist entirely, given sufficient inducement (Paypal, Visa or 
American Express accepted)

Warning to any sensitive souls or lovers of fine poetry out there. Do
not read on.

=====
"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)

The workshop was a thatched one
The outside old and mean
Yet everything within that shed
Was wondrous neat and clean.

The night was dark and stormy
The wind was howling wild
A patient owner knelt beside
The crankcase of his "child".

A little worn out power plant
Whose once bright paint grown dim
He was the restorer's only child,
He called him "Little Jim".

And oh! to see the burning tears fast running down his cheek
As he offered up his prayers in thought he was afraid to speak.
"Just start once more", he sobbed, "I love you better than my wife"
For there was all an owner's love in that poor restorer's life.

With hands uplifted he kneels beside the engine's bed
And prays that the night may spare his 'Tag and take himself instead.
He gets his answer from the echos resounding in the hut
"Kick,zip...Kick,zip...Kick,zip......Puff......puff......puff........phut!"


(to be continued)

====
Submitted more in sorrow than regret.(sob) - JW?







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From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jun  2 00:41:34 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:41:34 +0800
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing 
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and 
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?



From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sat Jun  2 00:54:06 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:54:06 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

Jack i would like to see these others do better i cant do poetry but i love
old vintage engines and machinery today i was  welding up some old guards on
my fordson pickup i am restoring a little tip for welding thin metal use
thin metal copper strips behind where you are welding and you wont blow out
the metal worked really fine i held the strips in with g clamps or vice
grips.The weld doesnt stick to the copper and the copper dissapates the
heat.I used a mig welder with co2.They say when you retire you get busier.

brent nz
  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 7:42 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing 
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and 
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jun  2 00:56:29 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:56:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au><033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
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Ya think you are alone in this???
VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Jun  2 01:23:44 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:23:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] My OZ Kero Box
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <46612910.3060700@steamengine.com.au>

Now whoever would have thought that Dave would go through with it and 
end up with such a stunning box. At least it matches his age!

Paul

Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Hi All,
> 	This will go NICELY with the 11 HP Austral that Rob and Kelley sold me in 
> September. I'm pretty sure that Russell Gilbert purchased it for me, but 
> Russell has not contacted me as yet to tell me that it was his bid!
> 	See:  http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=ST 
> See: 
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260121202887&rd=1&rd=1
> 	Dave
> PS, In any event it looks like a nice box--and doG knows, I LIKE a nice box!
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jun  2 01:27:55 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:27:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net><4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au><033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hi Brent.
I get similar results with stick welding using Graphite and even carbon elec 
brushes on small stuff. I really wish the tricks used by welders over the 
years were recorded for our use. A lot of good info has been lost to us.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Jack i would like to see these others do better i cant do poetry but i love
old vintage engines and machinery today i was  welding up some old guards on
my fordson pickup i am restoring a little tip for welding thin metal use
thin metal copper strips behind where you are welding and you wont blow out
the metal worked really fine i held the strips in with g clamps or vice
grips.The weld doesnt stick to the copper and the copper dissapates the
heat.I used a mig welder with co2.They say when you retire you get busier.

brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 7:42 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Jun  2 04:05:15 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:05:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] My OZ Kero Box
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070602210103.01ab2be0@ncable.com.au>

Gee Now I've done it, that secrete is out now. My ebay handle is 
plasted all over the web. Dave want's me to remove all the rusty bits 
from his box before he will take delivery. Then he want's to 
re-insert them back into his box when he gets it! These oldies have 
some strange ideas of fun. I should probably look out for a nice tin 
of lubricant for him to place by his box also.
Russell

At 11:15 AM 2/06/2007, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>         This will go NICELY with the 11 HP Austral that Rob and 
> Kelley sold me in
>September. I'm pretty sure that Russell Gilbert purchased it for me, but
>Russell has not contacted me as yet to tell me that it was his bid!
>         See: 
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=ST
>See:
>http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260121202887&rd=1&rd=1
>         Dave
>PS, In any event it looks like a nice box--and doG knows, I LIKE a nice box!
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
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From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jun  2 04:09:31 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:09:31 +0800
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net><4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au><033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <46614FEB.8040805@optusnet.com.au>

Thanks Brent, but I'm no poet.

Edward Farmer was the poet. He wrote "The Colliers Dying Child" in 1846, 
a real tear-jerker popular when such mawkish recitations were performed 
in Victorian (UK) parlours.

I am just the parody-ist.

JW?



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Jun  2 04:41:16 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:41:16 +0100
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net><4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au><033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1><001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46614FEB.8040805@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <001101c7a50a$ef699ac0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Thanks Brent, but I'm no poet.
Edward Farmer was the poet. He wrote "The Colliers Dying Child" in 1846,
a real tear-jerker popular when such mawkish recitations were performed
in Victorian (UK) parlours.
I am just the parody-ist.
JW?

Hi Jack, Very good for a first poem.
If you want to see the worlds worse poem see William Topaz McGonagall's
famous poem "The Tay Bridge Disaster" See
http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa050499.htm
It is so bad that it is memorable.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jun  2 08:24:41 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:24:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland visitors
In-Reply-To: <20070601.114129.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070601.114129.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706020824q76272f35l169df1128d786ccd@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/06/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.  Is anyone from the UK coming to the Portland show this year?
>
> Ron Haskell

We will be over this year.

Peter
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From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Jun  2 09:09:25 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:09:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEELFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <004101c7a530$69781880$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Elden,
I tried sending this to you off list but it bounced back..

Thanks for the insight Elden.
If you still need info on an original wood skid let me know, as I have one. 
I can take photos and give dimensions if you wish.  Also I have the original 
fuel tank, if you're interested. What color did you use?

Thanks,
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T


> Dave:
>
> Sorry about the delay in replying to your message.  "Stuff" happened. 
> Give my F-M Jack of All Trades page a shot.  I got about as close as I can 
> on the color.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jack/F-M%20Jack.html
>
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
>
>> Dave Ernst wrote:
>>
>>
>> Anyone know where to find the correct color
>> code for a FM T?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dave
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun  2 12:48:09 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:48:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <004101c7a530$69781880$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEFCFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

I'd like to have a drawing of the skid so, if I get around to it (and can find the lumber!!) I can do it properly.  The gas tank is made of copper, replacerd many decades ago.  I believe it's in the original location.

As to the paint color, I found a stock color in an industrial enamel.  I don't have the brand and number here.  I'll try to remember to get it next time I'm at the other house which will be in about three weeks.

I do know I got it at Dages Paint Company in Louisville, KY.  It's a brand I haven't seen much of and they call the color (I think) "Brick Red".  It's a little too glossy for my taste but I figure it will dull down as it ages.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave Ernst
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:09 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Elden,
> I tried sending this to you off list but it bounced back..
> 
> Thanks for the insight Elden.
> If you still need info on an original wood skid 
> let me know, as I have one. 
> I can take photos and give dimensions if you 
> wish.  Also I have the original 
> fuel tank, if you're interested. What color did you use?
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> > Dave:
> >
> > Sorry about the delay in replying to your 
> message.  "Stuff" happened. 
> > Give my F-M Jack of All Trades page a shot.  I 
> got about as close as I can 
> > on the color.
> >
> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jack
/F-M%20Jack.html
>
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
>
>> Dave Ernst wrote:
>>
>>
>> Anyone know where to find the correct color
>> code for a FM T?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dave
>
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jun  2 12:09:56 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:09:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEFCFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEFCFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4661C084.3020103@scrtc.com>

I could pick some up next time I'm in Louisville (usually 2 or 3 times a 
month).  I've been to Dages before, at least the store they have on Oak 
St. (not far off I-65).  As for the gloss, Dupont makes a "deglosser" 
that will kill the gloss.  You add as much as you want and can make it 
anywhere from a semi gloss, to satin to flat finish.  I don't have the 
Dupont number here but can probably dig it out if anyone wants it.  I'll 
probably pick up some of the "Brick Red" next time I'm in Louisville as 
it sounds about the right color for a Hagan engine.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>
>I do know I got it at Dages Paint Company in Louisville, KY.  It's a brand I haven't seen much of and they call the color (I think) "Brick Red".  It's a little too glossy for my taste but I figure it will dull down as it ages.
>
>Take care - Elden
>edurand at mchsi.com
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
>  
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jun  2 12:18:25 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:18:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEFCFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEFCFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4661C281.8080505@scrtc.com>

Speaking of T FM engines, here's a pretty hard item to find for one, 
check out ebay item #  140122349723

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun  2 13:39:24 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:39:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <4661C281.8080505@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEFDFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tommy:

Mine never had an intake valve lockout on it.  No holes for mounting, either.  Thanks for the lead, though.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 02:18 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Speaking of T FM engines, here's a pretty hard 
> item to find for one, 
> check out ebay item #  140122349723
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
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From samsonironwks2003 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  2 12:50:27 2007
From: samsonironwks2003 at yahoo.com (lester bowman)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:50:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEFDFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <128849.14856.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Eldon,Sorry to say this but your emails to Tommy ARE COMING TO ME.Lester Bowman.Check your email address and correct as necessary.Warmest regards,Lester.

Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:  Tommy:

Mine never had an intake valve lockout on it. No holes for mounting, either. Thanks for the lead, though.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 02:18 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Speaking of T FM engines, here's a pretty hard 
> item to find for one, 
> check out ebay item # 140122349723
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun  2 15:00:50 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:00:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <128849.14856.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEFEFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Lester:

Oh DRAT!  Thishere 'puter's done gone and got me in hot water again!

Sorry.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of lester
> bowman
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 02:50 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Eldon,Sorry to say this but your emails to Tommy 
> ARE COMING TO ME.Lester Bowman.Check your email 
> address and correct as necessary.Warmest regards,Lester.
> 
> Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:  Tommy:
> 
> Mine never had an intake valve lockout on it. No 
> holes for mounting, either. Thanks for the lead, though.




From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sat Jun  2 14:55:53 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 09:55:53 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <001101c7a50a$ef699ac0$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46614FEB.8040805@optusnet.com.au> <001101c7a50a$ef699ac0$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <001201c7a560$caec5d80$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

Jack poetry was in vogue then no tv and computers.A different age it was a
form of memorising as the poems were often recited at social gatherings same
as in New Zealand one of the more famous poems for us is our National Anthem
which was the product of a national contest in the 1800s it was a poem put
to music.Still in use today although there are some who believe its time for
a change they would like to change the flag as well the problem is that
without the history the anthem and the flag have no reference point.Without
the history it loses its significance i like to treasure the historical
perspective as it makes us who we are..and we remember the people gone
before who made our nation. brent nz   


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 11:41 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Thanks Brent, but I'm no poet.
Edward Farmer was the poet. He wrote "The Colliers Dying Child" in 1846,
a real tear-jerker popular when such mawkish recitations were performed
in Victorian (UK) parlours.
I am just the parody-ist.
JW?

Hi Jack, Very good for a first poem.
If you want to see the worlds worse poem see William Topaz McGonagall's
famous poem "The Tay Bridge Disaster" See
http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa050499.htm
It is so bad that it is memorable.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sat Jun  2 15:19:27 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:19:27 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <003301c7a564$159caad0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

Reg thanks for your tips there are many a good idea that has been lost
because it hasnt been past on so thanks much appreciated i havent heard of a
graphite stick havent done much arc welding at this stage but for thicker
metals i think the arc welder produces a much nicer weld.brent     

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 8:28 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

Hi Brent.
I get similar results with stick welding using Graphite and even carbon elec

brushes on small stuff. I really wish the tricks used by welders over the 
years were recorded for our use. A lot of good info has been lost to us.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Jack i would like to see these others do better i cant do poetry but i love
old vintage engines and machinery today i was  welding up some old guards on
my fordson pickup i am restoring a little tip for welding thin metal use
thin metal copper strips behind where you are welding and you wont blow out
the metal worked really fine i held the strips in with g clamps or vice
grips.The weld doesnt stick to the copper and the copper dissapates the
heat.I used a mig welder with co2.They say when you retire you get busier.

brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 7:42 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sat Jun  2 15:21:54 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:21:54 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

Reg and jack was that retired or just plain old tired with all that hectic
lifestyle you will be worn out in no time you sound like you need
holidays..brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 7:56 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

Ya think you are alone in this???
VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jun  2 15:42:40 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:42:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net><4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au><033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au><004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1><001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<003301c7a564$159caad0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <018a01c7a567$55923c10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

it is not a grapgite stick. It is using a lump of graphite as a backing 
instead of copper or similar.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Reg thanks for your tips there are many a good idea that has been lost
because it hasnt been past on so thanks much appreciated i havent heard of a
graphite stick havent done much arc welding at this stage but for thicker
metals i think the arc welder produces a much nicer weld.brent

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 8:28 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

Hi Brent.
I get similar results with stick welding using Graphite and even carbon elec

brushes on small stuff. I really wish the tricks used by welders over the
years were recorded for our use. A lot of good info has been lost to us.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Jack i would like to see these others do better i cant do poetry but i love
old vintage engines and machinery today i was  welding up some old guards on
my fordson pickup i am restoring a little tip for welding thin metal use
thin metal copper strips behind where you are welding and you wont blow out
the metal worked really fine i held the strips in with g clamps or vice
grips.The weld doesnt stick to the copper and the copper dissapates the
heat.I used a mig welder with co2.They say when you retire you get busier.

brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 7:42 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jun  2 15:44:04 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:44:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net><4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au><033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au><000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <019301c7a567$86ff20b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

All of the things mentioned!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Reg and jack was that retired or just plain old tired with all that hectic
lifestyle you will be worn out in no time you sound like you need
holidays..brent

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 7:56 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

Ya think you are alone in this???
VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun  2 16:50:25 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:50:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>

I thought retired was tired again.

John

On Jun 2, 2007, at 6:21 PM, brent.tamatea wrote:

> Reg and jack was that retired or just plain old tired with all that 
> hectic
> lifestyle you will be worn out in no time you sound like you need
> holidays..brent


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jun  2 18:17:03 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 09:17:03 +0800
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 2 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>

"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW? 
(with apologies to Edward Farmer)


Part 2 of 4


"I have no pain dear Restorer now
But Oh! I am so dry!
Just moisten poor Jim's plug once more
And, for Gawd's sake, do not cry."

With gentle trembling hands
He held the petrol to Jim's plug
It seemed to smile to thank him as it took
A tiny little glug.

"Tell Dave R. when he comes from work
I said good night to him
And now dear Owner I'll go to sleep."
Alas, poor little Jim.

===
End of Part 2


JW? who prefers to remain anonymous.




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun  2 20:53:26 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 23:53:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 2 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>
	<4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <26042cf0f1712066373a6fec904f58e3@chartertn.net>

Oh, I can't bear to see the part where the axe shows up!

John

On Jun 2, 2007, at 9:17 PM, Jack Watson wrote:

> "Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
> (with apologies to Edward Farmer)


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun  3 00:18:06 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:18:06 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 2 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <26042cf0f1712066373a6fec904f58e3@chartertn.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>
	<4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
	<26042cf0f1712066373a6fec904f58e3@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c7a5af$5594e670$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

I thought that was the episode of the shining with Jack Nicolas it was an
old hotel they would have old stationary moters out back..Could be an
interesting diversion..You will have to wait till the third instalment..  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2007 3:53 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 2 of 4)

Oh, I can't bear to see the part where the axe shows up!

John

On Jun 2, 2007, at 9:17 PM, Jack Watson wrote:

> "Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
> (with apologies to Edward Farmer)


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun  3 03:26:18 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 06:26:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 2 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1><3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>
	<4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <005501c7a5c9$a057b2e0$e1eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>

I kind of figured Dave would play the part of the Grim Reaper!

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:17 PM
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 2 of 4)


"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
(with apologies to Edward Farmer)


Part 2 of 4


"Tell Dave R. when he comes from work
I said good night to him
And now dear Owner I'll go to sleep."
Alas, poor little Jim.

===
End of Part 2





From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jun  3 03:46:56 2007
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:46:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register
References: <20070601061200.GBRA1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000f01c7a5cc$83ac5850$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6>

Thanks for taking on the Austral registry Patrick, isn't a better man for 
the job. Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register


>
> As many of you know the Austral Oil Engine register, compiled over many
> years by Peter Willcock, was closed at the end of last year. After much
> discussion I am taking over the project, to keep the register alive. There
> are still a lot of Australs out there not on the register and still a lot
> more information to be found and disseminated.
> I hope to compile all the information into a computer data-base over the
> next few months and will hopefully soon have it all up and running. This
> should allow me to provide maximum benefit for those interested in the
> Austral Oil Engines without me filling up all my free time trying to keep
> track of it all.
> The task makes me appreciate even more the work that others do maintaining
> engine registers and researching the history of the engines. It is 
> important
> to make the information as available as possible for our fellow 
> enthusiasts
> & I hope to do the Austral Register the justice it deserves.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jun  3 05:51:27 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:51:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070601173649.01ab2be0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <20070603125132.VBQH28187.oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

HI Russell,
	I am a little overbooked in the next few months but I hope to head
down your way eventually. Maybe you should bring your Akroyd barrel along
when you come to our rally in September ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

So Patrick are you comming over to pick it up and do the photo type 
thing. It's great news for engine collectors as Peter is aging a 
little and the register has to take a back seat for him. This keeps 
the info fresh and in the forefront of Austral & Australian engine 
collecting. Would be good to make/do an official hand over. Good 
story for the tomm and I'm sure Pete wouldn't mind. Plus I could load 
my akroyd barrel into the back of your ute to take back to Pauls for 
me :-) hehehehe
regards Russell





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Jun  3 09:44:44 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:44:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Fielding & Platt info needed
Message-ID: <200706031847109.SM00548@new.databak.co.za>

Hi All,

A friend has asked me to look for information as he is restoring a 22/24 
Horsepower horizontal "Fielding & Platt" oil engine. It does not have a 
model or type No. The only information on the plate is":

No:. 040425 - H.P.: 22/24  - R.P.M.: 380. The name on the plate is Fielding 
Oil Engine. Made by Fielding & Platt Ltd. Atlas Works, Glouscester,England

         Any information regarding this engine or the whereabouts of other 
owners or manuals would be much appreciated.
         He has taken pics of it but is waiting for them to be developed - 
As soon as I have copies I will post them to my webpage.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sun Jun  3 09:57:26 2007
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:57:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Transport help needed NY to Coolspring?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070603125112.01f9d140@webmail.accnorwalk.com>

I'm trying to get a Centaur KV tractor (gasp!) from Wurtsboro NY back to 
Ohio. The tractor will take a spot aproxx 5 ft X 9ft and weigh about 2000 
lbs. Is anyone coming to Coolspring that could pick this up and bring it 
that far for fuel money? Any other options?
             Doug Tallman
VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director
       Greenwich, Ohio, USA



From fsouthwell at googlemail.com  Sun Jun  3 09:56:53 2007
From: fsouthwell at googlemail.com (Fred Southwell)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:56:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Fielding & Platt info needed
In-Reply-To: <200706031847109.SM00548@new.databak.co.za>
References: <200706031847109.SM00548@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <3bd33b2e0706030956m6220ce4ck8bd4f5a59b15f6be@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry,
A number of years ago the Amberley Chalk Pits Museum had a Fielding and
Platt under canopy outside their engine shed. I don't know if it's still
there but you can contact them via their website. They have changed their
name now but try http://www.amberleymuseum.co.uk. They mught be ablt to
help.

On 03/06/07, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> A friend has asked me to look for information as he is restoring a 22/24
> Horsepower horizontal "Fielding & Platt" oil engine. It does not have a
> model or type No. The only information on the plate is":
>
> No:. 040425 - H.P.: 22/24  - R.P.M.: 380. The name on the plate is
> Fielding
> Oil Engine. Made by Fielding & Platt Ltd. Atlas Works, Glouscester,England
>
>          Any information regarding this engine or the whereabouts of other
> owners or manuals would be much appreciated.
>          He has taken pics of it but is waiting for them to be developed -
> As soon as I have copies I will post them to my webpage.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787
> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
> Cell: 083 293 7191
> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



-- 
Fred. Nr Brighton U.K.
See all my pictures at http://community.webshots.com/user/g6zru



From DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net  Sun Jun  3 18:30:29 2007
From: DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net (DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:30:29 -0800
Subject: [SEL] model engine prices
Message-ID: <AA-3E001E695FA4B04A5614F51BF38897A9-ZZ@fipprd24>





From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jun  3 17:53:53 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:53:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] model engine prices
Message-ID: <20070603.205353.1096.1.jlb94@juno.com>

There's nothing on your e-mail, Dave

How was Orwell ?


Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " How is it possible for Americans to denounce
  (_o_)                Communism and practice it simultaneously?"


From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jun  3 17:55:25 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:55:25 +0800
Subject: [SEL]  The Dying Maytag (Part 3 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <005501c7a5c9$a057b2e0$e1eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1><3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>	<4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
	<005501c7a5c9$a057b2e0$e1eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <466362FD.8070508@optusnet.com.au>


"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)

Part 3 of 4


He thought that Jim was dying.
This thing he loved so dear
Had uttered these last words
That he might ever hope to hear.

The workshop door was opened,
The scrapman's steps were heard,
The owner and the scrapman met -
Yet neither spoke a word.

He knew that all was over;
He knew his 'Tag was dead.
He took the money in his hand
And walked out of the shed.

His quivering lips gave token
Of grief he failed to conceal
To see his wife had joined him
So the stricken couple kneel.

With hearts burdened down with sadness
She humbly asks, with him
In Heaven once more to meet again
Their own poor little Jim.

=====

Dear Reader, please do not dispair. There WILL be a happy ending . . .

JW?




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jun  3 19:30:18 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:30:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070603211718.01c3c4c0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	I'll be reserving space again this year at Coolspring for the SEL gang! As 
in the past we will be in the 3rd row to the right way down near the trees. 
I'll have a sign at the end of that row with an arrow pointing to the 
right. I should have the ropes and SEL RESERVE signs in place by late 
Tuesday (June 12th.)  Jake will know where we are in case you can't find us 
to set up.
	My Austral (along with my 15 HP IHC--which I'm selling) will be set up at 
the very end of the SEL reserved space. Please try to "fill in" from right 
to left so that we can give back any space that we don't need by Friday 
evening. See you at Coolspring!
	Dave



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun  3 18:46:59 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:46:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070603211718.01c3c4c0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070603211718.01c3c4c0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <46636F13.7040105@scrtc.com>

Dave and everyone,
    We'll have a special SEL member with us this year.  John Palmer from 
England will be making the trip across the water to visit Coolspring.  
His son will be joining him and I've reserved them a room in 
Brookville.  I look forward to seeing everyone soon.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Dave Rotigel wrote:

>Hi All,
>	I'll be reserving space again this year at Coolspring for the SEL gang! As 
>in the past we will be in the 3rd row to the right way down near the trees. 
>I'll have a sign at the end of that row with an arrow pointing to the 
>right. I should have the ropes and SEL RESERVE signs in place by late 
>Tuesday (June 12th.)  Jake will know where we are in case you can't find us 
>to set up.
>	My Austral (along with my 15 HP IHC--which I'm selling) will be set up at 
>the very end of the SEL reserved space. Please try to "fill in" from right 
>to left so that we can give back any space that we don't need by Friday 
>evening. See you at Coolspring!
>	Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jun  3 18:51:32 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:51:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 3 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <466362FD.8070508@optusnet.com.au>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1><3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>	<4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
	<005501c7a5c9$a057b2e0$e1eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<466362FD.8070508@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <267a37320aa19a423532436bd824f5bf@chartertn.net>


On Jun 3, 2007, at 8:55 PM, Jack Watson wrote:

> Dear Reader, please do not dispair. There WILL be a happy ending . . .

Maytag Mark's gonna have to turn up, then...

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From JR504 at aol.com  Sun Jun  3 19:14:18 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:14:18 EDT
Subject: [SEL] United Type A
Message-ID: <bc6.11292c5b.3394cf7a@aol.com>

Hello List,
 
I know how much everyone enjoys the "How much is this engine worth?"  
questions, so I apologize in advance.  I wouldn't think of asking if  it wasn't 
necessary.  Last week I discovered a friend of mine has a United  Type A 1 3/4 HP 
Air Cooled Low Tension Motor that his Uncle gave to him. He said  he'd be glad 
to see it go to a good home, but has no idea what it's  worth.   I'd like your 
help putting a reasonable value on it that is  fair to both of us.  I don't 
want to be put in the position of determining  the value of the engine if I'm 
the guy trying to buy it.  
 
Here's what I can tell you about it:
You already know, United Type A, Air Cooled, 1 3/4 HP, Low Tension  Ignition.
 
Engine is pretty complete. Missing the belt for the fan and one grease  cup 
cap.
Good condition, no flaking rust, some old paint left, but definitely not  
original paint.  No cracks or welds that I can spot.  Will need some  attention 
on the magneto trip to tighten it back up.
Engine turns over but has no compression. Probably going to need some valve  
work to correct that.
 
So, all I ask is: What would you pay to add this engine to your  collection? 
, (and if you care to add a reason or two why you chose that  number, that'd 
be appreciated too).  
 
Thanks in advance,
Joe Rappa
Mexico, NY
 



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From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Sun Jun  3 19:28:38 2007
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 02:28:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Welding
In-Reply-To: <001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <BAY139-F233951EA25CA37B6F50199B4210@phx.gbl>

Reg and all,

I bought a good welding book years ago.  Written in plain english and not a 
lot of charts and formulas, just a lot of welding tricks.  It is still 
available.  I found lots of tricks and shortcuts I would never have learned 
otherwise.  Check it out.  The table of contents is online at the adress 
below.

http://www.network6000.com/

Ed Herreid

----Original Message Follows----
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:27:55 +1000

Hi Brent.
I get similar results with stick welding using Graphite and even carbon elec
brushes on small stuff. I really wish the tricks used by welders over the
years were recorded for our use. A lot of good info has been lost to us.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun  3 19:45:05 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:45:05 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Welding
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-F233951EA25CA37B6F50199B4210@phx.gbl>
References: <001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<BAY139-F233951EA25CA37B6F50199B4210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001401c7a652$5c3dc6b0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Ed looks like a worthwhile book thanks brent  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Herreid
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2007 2:29 p.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Welding

Reg and all,

I bought a good welding book years ago.  Written in plain english and not a 
lot of charts and formulas, just a lot of welding tricks.  It is still 
available.  I found lots of tricks and shortcuts I would never have learned 
otherwise.  Check it out.  The table of contents is online at the adress 
below.

http://www.network6000.com/

Ed Herreid

----Original Message Follows----
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:27:55 +1000

Hi Brent.
I get similar results with stick welding using Graphite and even carbon elec
brushes on small stuff. I really wish the tricks used by welders over the
years were recorded for our use. A lot of good info has been lost to us.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

_________________________________________________________________
Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. 
Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07





From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun  3 19:49:55 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:49:55 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 3 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <466362FD.8070508@optusnet.com.au>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>
	<4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
	<005501c7a5c9$a057b2e0$e1eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<466362FD.8070508@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <001501c7a653$08f48f10$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Dont know if i can bear anymore...Jack little jim he was such a good little
engine he didnt deserve such a tragic ending...      

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2007 12:55 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 3 of 4)


"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)

Part 3 of 4


He thought that Jim was dying.
This thing he loved so dear
Had uttered these last words
That he might ever hope to hear.

The workshop door was opened,
The scrapman's steps were heard,
The owner and the scrapman met -
Yet neither spoke a word.

He knew that all was over;
He knew his 'Tag was dead.
He took the money in his hand
And walked out of the shed.

His quivering lips gave token
Of grief he failed to conceal
To see his wife had joined him
So the stricken couple kneel.

With hearts burdened down with sadness
She humbly asks, with him
In Heaven once more to meet again
Their own poor little Jim.

=====

Dear Reader, please do not dispair. There WILL be a happy ending . . .

JW?


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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jun  3 19:50:52 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:50:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Welding
References: <BAY139-F233951EA25CA37B6F50199B4210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00dc01c7a653$2baf3eb0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Thanks Ed.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Herreid" <bigtime64 at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Welding


> Reg and all,
>
> I bought a good welding book years ago.  Written in plain english and not 
> a
> lot of charts and formulas, just a lot of welding tricks.  It is still
> available.  I found lots of tricks and shortcuts I would never have 
> learned
> otherwise.  Check it out.  The table of contents is online at the adress
> below.
>
> http://www.network6000.com/
>
> Ed Herreid
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:27:55 +1000
>
> Hi Brent.
> I get similar results with stick welding using Graphite and even carbon 
> elec
> brushes on small stuff. I really wish the tricks used by welders over the
> years were recorded for our use. A lot of good info has been lost to us.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i'm Initiative now.
> It's free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jun  3 21:21:32 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:21:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Bargain engine
Message-ID: <20070604042136.WVYH1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Check out eBay item# 270127035918
A bit of a bargain for a non-running Ronnie N ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From plb at iinet.net.au  Sun Jun  3 23:30:11 2007
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:30:11 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Bargain engine
In-Reply-To: <20070604042136.WVYH1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20070604042136.WVYH1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <002a01c7a671$d3e9d220$7bbd7660$@net.au>

I've got a couple that I might give away for that price!!
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2007 12:22 PM
To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List
Subject: [SEL] Bargain engine

Check out eBay item# 270127035918
A bit of a bargain for a non-running Ronnie N ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun  4 06:55:08 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:55:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fielding & Platt info needed
In-Reply-To: <200706031847109.SM00548@new.databak.co.za>
References: <200706031847109.SM00548@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706040948580.75996@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

The folks at the Ironbridge museum have a 1920's vintage Fielding & Platt
that provides power for the sawmill.  I should have other pics of this
engine.  I'll try and remember to look this evening.  But in the meantime,
here's one pic readily available.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/4/bh45.jpg

Since they are a museum and since their engine is a runner they should be
able to provide some assistance to your friend.  This should get him
started....  http://www.ironbridge.org.uk/

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Jerry Evans wrote:

> A friend has asked me to look for information as he is restoring a 22/24
> Horsepower horizontal "Fielding & Platt" oil engine. It does not have a
> model or type No. The only information on the plate is":
>
> No:. 040425 - H.P.: 22/24  - R.P.M.: 380. The name on the plate is Fielding
> Oil Engine. Made by Fielding & Platt Ltd. Atlas Works, Glouscester,England
>
>          Any information regarding this engine or the whereabouts of other
> owners or manuals would be much appreciated.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun  4 07:19:02 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:19:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bargain engine
In-Reply-To: <20070604042136.WVYH1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20070604042136.WVYH1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706041018070.75996@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

May we safely assume a slipped decimal point on that starting price?

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> Check out eBay item# 270127035918
> A bit of a bargain for a non-running Ronnie N ;)



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jun  4 10:23:37 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:23:37 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Contact details needed
Message-ID: <200706041926171.SM00132@new.databak.co.za>

Hi guys ('n Gals),
         Does anyone have a current eMail address for Wouter von Gulick in 
Holland. I see he has a manual for the Fielding engine but my mail to him 
at <wout.v.gulik at zonnet.nl
 > was returned "undeliverable".
Thanks in advance

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun  4 10:52:33 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:52:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Contact details needed
In-Reply-To: <200706041926171.SM00132@new.databak.co.za>
References: <200706041926171.SM00132@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <388010EC-1D7D-483F-B3FA-44195C84B5B5@rustyiron.com>

Hi Jerry,
I think that email address was ok a couple weeks ago.

Rob





From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  4 13:13:57 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:13:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070603211718.01c3c4c0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F29BF579B9DD2C46CCC36D995210@phx.gbl>

Dave, Bill Bird and I will be there with a trailer and two engines. Thanks 
for saving the spot. See you Wed.  Steve


>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
>Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:30:18 -0500
>
>Hi All,
>	I'll be reserving space again this year at Coolspring for the SEL gang! As
>in the past we will be in the 3rd row to the right way down near the trees.
>I'll have a sign at the end of that row with an arrow pointing to the
>right. I should have the ropes and SEL RESERVE signs in place by late
>Tuesday (June 12th.)  Jake will know where we are in case you can't find us
>to set up.
>	My Austral (along with my 15 HP IHC--which I'm selling) will be set up at
>the very end of the SEL reserved space. Please try to "fill in" from right
>to left so that we can give back any space that we don't need by Friday
>evening. See you at Coolspring!
>	Dave
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jun  4 11:32:49 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:32:49 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 39, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1180972803.17316.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070604203121.00ae5a38@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 04/06/2007, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:56:53 +0100
>From: "Fred Southwell" <fsouthwell at googlemail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Fielding & Platt info needed
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <3bd33b2e0706030956m6220ce4ck8bd4f5a59b15f6be at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Jerry,
>A number of years ago the Amberley Chalk Pits Museum had a Fielding and
>Platt under canopy outside their engine shed. I don't know if it's still
>there but you can contact them via their website. They have changed their
>name now but try http://www.amberleymuseum.co.uk. They mught be ablt to
>help.

Thanks Fred,
         I've got them on my list as they came up via a Google search but 
have not contacted them yet - I will do so.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jun  4 13:36:45 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:36:45 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 39, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1180972803.17316.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <200706042242640.SM01828@new.databak.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 04/06/2007, you wrote:
>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:55:25 +0800
>From: Jack Watson <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
>Subject: [SEL]  The Dying Maytag (Part 3 of 4)
>
>"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
>                  (with apologies to Edward Farmer)
>
>Part 3 of 4
>
>
>He thought that Jim was dying.
>This thing he loved so dear
>Had uttered these last words
>That he might ever hope to hear.
>
>The workshop door was opened,
>The scrapman's steps were heard,
>The owner and the scrapman met -
>Yet neither spoke a word.
>
>He knew that all was over;
>He knew his 'Tag was dead.
>He took the money in his hand
>And walked out of the shed.
>
>His quivering lips gave token
>Of grief he failed to conceal
>To see his wife had joined him
>So the stricken couple kneel.
>
>With hearts burdened down with sadness
>She humbly asks, with him
>In Heaven once more to meet again
>Their own poor little Jim.
>=====
>Dear Reader, please do not dispair. There WILL be a happy ending . . .
>JW?

With apologies to The author and all concerned.

Turn'd out, T'was not the scrapman after all,
But a whiskered old professor,
by the name of Rotigall, (poetic licence invoked)
Who took 'lil Jim,
And on the SEL Auction did place him.

Furious bidding for Jim resulted,
But his new master never faulted.
And now, to South Africa, he's on his way
Where for ever he will stay.

Jim'll occupy his own place of pride,
Amongst those who ne'er died.
Travelling from show to show,
To be respected by those who know.

His fate was almost sealed.
Had not his sentence been appealed,
'Cos it was only a matter of time
afore an axe had stilled his rhyme.

Jim, his name will stay,
The beloved little stray,
The only Maytag ever before
To grace our beautiful shore.

         For those who do not know - I bought the Maytag that Dave put on 
the Charity Auction in December and am awaiting delivery from our Postal 
Service. It left the USA about 6 weeks ago so it is now only a matter of 
time (Africa time) before it arrives.
         I give all my engines names so in honour of this verse I'm going 
to call my Maytag
"Little Jim" - thanks to you Jack Watson.
( The above verse compiled, composed or just "plain thought of" by Jerry 
Evans and his daughter, Jacqui with a fair amount of help from a bottle of 
brandy, some Coke and a few beers.)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun  4 15:41:13 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:41:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Bargain engine
References: <20070604042136.WVYH1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706041018070.75996@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <008b01c7a6f9$75630680$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

No,  the seller is looking for a mug!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bargain engine


> G'day Patrick,
> 
> May we safely assume a slipped decimal point on that starting price?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
> 
>> Check out eBay item# 270127035918
>> A bit of a bargain for a non-running Ronnie N ;)
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net  Mon Jun  4 17:25:11 2007
From: DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net (DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:25:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] model engine prices
Message-ID: <AA-0BC42D455539663BE3386E2728D44FDD-ZZ@fipprd25>

OOOPs . Hello all I am tryin to help out a friend 
sell her late husbans toys and I have no idea on what 
these things are worth  so any help wouyld be great . 
Here they are  #1 is a New Holland 1/8 scale 1 & 1/2 
HP  100th anniversary  # 2 is a Waterloo Boy on a 
cart  # 3 is a Mc Cormick Deering on a cart  # 4 is a 
International Harvester upright  and  # 5 is a John 
Deere on a base with batteries  Thank You to all that 
reply 



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jun  4 18:33:46 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:33:46 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Little Jim Part 4 of 4
In-Reply-To: <200706042242640.SM01828@new.databak.co.za>
References: <200706042242640.SM01828@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <4664BD7A.2000903@optusnet.com.au>


"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)


Part 4 of 4


But hark! What's that? Around the back,
That smokey puttering hymn!
The scrapman cometh - and what's he brought?
He's fetched back Little Jim!

The scrapman wants his money back.
(Cough) "Jim runs OK. I do not mind a joke -
But even scrapmen have their pride." He's all choked up inside -
His lungs are filled with smoke.

"But - you said Jim runs?"  She waits his slow reply -
He answered back twixt resp'ratory attacks,
"To make it go, I thought you'd know,
(Cough) PULL OUT DAVE'S BLOODY AXE!"

=====

Now it's Goodnight from me and Goodnight from Jim.

JW?



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun  4 18:34:18 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:34:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F29BF579B9DD2C46CCC36D995210@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY144-F29BF579B9DD2C46CCC36D995210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4664BD9A.3010504@scrtc.com>

Steve,
    You're running with rough company!  Really, you're lucky to have a 
good traveling companion like Bill.  He's a good one.  See ya soon.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Dave, Bill Bird and I will be there with a trailer and two engines. 
> Thanks for saving the spot. See you Wed.  Steve




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jun  4 18:52:59 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:52:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Little Jim Part 4 of 4
References: <200706042242640.SM01828@new.databak.co.za>
	<4664BD7A.2000903@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <001a01c7a714$3f81bc80$eff34c0c@D48VHZ61>

 I'm thinking a signed and framed copy of this poem would make a good 
charity auction item!

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] Little Jim Part 4 of 4



"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)


Part 4 of 4


But hark! What's that? Around the back,
That smokey puttering hymn!
The scrapman cometh - and what's he brought?
He's fetched back Little Jim!

The scrapman wants his money back.
(Cough) "Jim runs OK. I do not mind a joke -
But even scrapmen have their pride." He's all choked up inside -
His lungs are filled with smoke.

"But - you said Jim runs?"  She waits his slow reply -
He answered back twixt resp'ratory attacks,
"To make it go, I thought you'd know,
(Cough) PULL OUT DAVE'S BLOODY AXE!"

=====

Now it's Goodnight from me and Goodnight from Jim.

JW?

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jun  4 19:27:13 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:27:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Little Jim Part 4 of 4
In-Reply-To: <4664BD7A.2000903@optusnet.com.au>
References: <200706042242640.SM01828@new.databak.co.za>
	<4664BD7A.2000903@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <860d7486f39694a95262fa6a40b41795@chartertn.net>

Yep, there's a happy ending! :-D

John

On Jun 4, 2007, at 9:33 PM, Jack Watson wrote:

>
> "To make it go, I thought you'd know,
> (Cough) PULL OUT DAVE'S BLOODY AXE!"


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Mon Jun  4 20:10:44 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:10:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Greatest job in the world.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>

Last week I finished up a course in running a steam traction engine 
at Rough and Tumble in south east PA  (I highly recommend the course, 
great fun and 12 hrs of hands on out of 16 hrs of training.)

I worked beside Dave Muehsam  After we cleaned the boiler and lubed 
and checked everything and of course filled it with water, we had a 
little time while we waited for the water to boil so I asked him what 
he does for a living.  He goes to tractor shows and makes videos!  It 
takes him about a year to edit down a video and get it ready for 
sale, and then he is off to the next one.  It's a tough job but 
someone has to do it.

Here is a picture of my coworker doing research for his next video.
http://www.ironclassics.com/New_Pages_folder/WhatsNew.html

And some pix of the school  (Last year)
http://www.roughandtumble.org/rt-albums/rt-2006_sch/rt_photo_2006_sch.asp

Frank



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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jun  4 21:31:37 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:31:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Urgent engine info wanted
Message-ID: <004401c7a72a$67b79ce0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all
A message to ALL aussie engine guys, is there anyone out there who is also 
bringing engines to Australia in a container from the USA with John 
Debrincat in Sydney???????

There is mine and two others that John can't identify, he thought they were 
all mine, I should have kept quite ;-))))

The 40' container was loaded yesterday, after a delay in finding a ship with 
space!!, and should arrive here in Sydney around the 14th July

Please contact me.

Regards
Peter, Oz 



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jun  5 01:23:23 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:23:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Urgent engine info wanted
References: <004401c7a72a$67b79ce0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <000401c7a74a$c974ec10$d4ee683a@Edd>

Hi Peter.I know who it is and I have phoned him so all should be well.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: [SEL] Urgent engine info wanted


> Hi all
> A message to ALL aussie engine guys, is there anyone out there who is also
> bringing engines to Australia in a container from the USA with John
> Debrincat in Sydney???????
>
> There is mine and two others that John can't identify, he thought they 
> were
> all mine, I should have kept quite ;-))))
>
> The 40' container was loaded yesterday, after a delay in finding a ship 
> with
> space!!, and should arrive here in Sydney around the 14th July
>
> Please contact me.
>
> Regards
> Peter, Oz
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jun  5 05:19:51 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:19:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip - saw some old iron......
In-Reply-To: <20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Left for PA from IA early Friday May 25th. While passing through Indiana,
saw a flatbed with a large engine, looked like those large "oil field"
engines some of you fellers have. It occupied pretty much 10' or so of
that flatbed.
On the way back to Iowa, saw more than one load of old iron, a couple with
some engines mixed in the bunch - was there something going on that
weekend?
This was later Sunday the 27th and what I saw was headed east through
Indiana.
Wow, for the tolls, and the highest gas prices of the entire trip, Indiana
roads SUCK, sorry, but Iowa, Illinois, Ohio and PA have got Indiana beat
hands-down in highway quality AND gas prices (although Ohio gas scared us
a bit, too). For such high gas taxes and those tolls, you'd
expect.............. while PA was the most expensive in tolls, their
highways were good and you can see that money went to tunnels, bridges and
all the extra engineering in their highways through the hills.
Iowa gas was 3.09 when we left, it went up from there with Ohio at about
3.49, Indiana at 3.59 and PA at 2.99 to 3.04.
(*When I got back Iowa had shot up to 3.29, but has settled to 2.99 since.)
PA cost us 60 bucks just to get through and back out, but they made up for
it in nice roads and shortcuts through those ridges and all. $9 just for
the privilage of entering the state of PA, then the tolls start.
My friend Doug, who made the trip with me, did a fantastic write-up here:
http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=10670.0
and here it sits at home:
http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg
The thing rode very well back there, straight and true. I felt it on the
hills, it kept me at about 55 much of PA, but otherwise was well behaved.
The car if the engine had been in it would be about 3500 - the engine rode
in the back of the pickup.
The tarp is because it's electric windows, there is no battery and the
driver window was down. I've just not carried a battery to it so I can
"roll" the window up.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
Home of the still stuck 7hp Chapman
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4
1980 Eagle wagon
http://theamcpages.com


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jun  5 05:34:58 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:34:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>

You guys are bitching about nothing, we pay $4.10 to $4.24US a gallon here, 
that is converted to US gallons and Oz $ to US$, that is on a good day.
Seeing you guzzle the largest amount of the worlds GAS, why shouldn't you 
pay for it. (smile) now watch the flames get thrown ;-)))
It is only going to get more expensive, so hang on to you wallets.

Peter, Oz



> Iowa gas was 3.09 when we left, it went up from there with Ohio at about
> 3.49, Indiana at 3.59 and PA at 2.99 to 3.04.
> (*When I got back Iowa had shot up to 3.29, but has settled to 2.99 
> since.)
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun  5 06:26:47 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:26:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706050922360.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>

OK Folks,

Here's this month's quiz...

What do these 12 names have in common?

Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Jun  5 06:01:19 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:01:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706050922360.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706050922360.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070605090038.02f28a10@pop3.wcoil.com>

Pennsylvania built.             Mark

At 09:26 AM 6/5/07, you wrote:
>OK Folks,
>
>Here's this month's quiz...
>
>What do these 12 names have in common?
>
>Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
>See ya,  Arnie
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
No Sunday calls if possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jun  5 06:10:06 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:10:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <1365.165.206.180.53.1181049006.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Peter no flames here.
While I'd agree, there's also other things to consider - while the gas
here is cheaper than "there", we do pay more for other things, let's
compare drug and medical costs, insurance costs, etc. so I suspect it all
balances out.
And perhaps we'd not "bi ch" so much if it snuck up on us, or wasn't done
in an underhanded way.
If it had slowly kept pace with inflation and other costs........
Funny, we had the large surge in prices, but did it stop folks from
driving this past holiday? Not really. Oh, some, yeah, but in general,
folks said the traffic was "as heavy as usual for the holiday" - at least
where we were.

People wonder why I'm getting these cars......... two reasons:
They are classic/collector cars and like our engines, they will appreciate
in value some-what, they will be worth more when restored, however, the
biggest factor for my wife ->
They will be CHEAPER to drive than our current newer vehicles. These
Eagles can get 30 mpg for the SX/4 (5 speed stick) and mid-20's for the
wagon (automatic).
Show me a SUV with the strength and power of these that will do that. Take
the same money you'd make on payments for a new car or suv and apply that
to these and in a couple of years, you could do a frame-up total
restoration and add EFI, etc.
Imagine, a sporty 4 wheel drive hatchback that would get typical mid-20s
for mileage, and 30 on a highway trip.
Put a receiver on that wagon it will pull the same load as a Jeep
Cherokee, after-all, these are what the later Jeeps are based on! So I
could have a 4x4 tow vehicle getting mid 20's.

Yeah, the young female who drives a HUMMER to go to the grocery store for
a single sack of groceries, and is the only person in the vehicle. Makes
perfect sense...... we parked next to her last week while we filled our
compact Jeep Liberty to the brim with multiple sacks on our way home from
commuting to work together - car pooling.
But I guess, that's her right.

Anyway, no I won't flame ya, there's other things that are cheaper there,
things that are cheaper here.
I wonder - what about the price of engines?
What are some common ones that we can compare??

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4
1980 Eagle wagon
http://theamcpages.com

> You guys are bitching about nothing, we pay $4.10 to $4.24US a gallon
> here,
> that is converted to US gallons and Oz $ to US$, that is on a good day.
> Seeing you guzzle the largest amount of the worlds GAS, why shouldn't you
> pay for it. (smile) now watch the flames get thrown ;-)))
> It is only going to get more expensive, so hang on to you wallets.
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>> Iowa gas was 3.09 when we left, it went up from there with Ohio at about
>> 3.49, Indiana at 3.59 and PA at 2.99 to 3.04.
>> (*When I got back Iowa had shot up to 3.29, but has settled to 2.99
>> since.)
>> Bill
>> Runnells, Iowa
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jun  5 06:10:41 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:10:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706050922360.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070605090038.02f28a10@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <003801c7a772$eb60f9e0$0601a8c0@altech>

Wasn't Campbell a NY company?

Peter, Oz





> Pennsylvania built.             Mark
>
> At 09:26 AM 6/5/07, you wrote:
>>OK Folks,
>>
>>Here's this month's quiz...
>>
>>What do these 12 names have in common?
>>
>>Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>>Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>Arnie Fero
>>Pittsburgh, PA
>>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
> Parts lists available on request.
>
> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
> No Sunday calls if possible.
> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I 
> represent
> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Tue Jun  5 06:16:20 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:16:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <46656224.4020603@steamengine.com.au>

I was going to echo Peter... but since he's already done it... I do have 
to wonder what the attraction for the car is? I guess it is something 
special when it runs?

ps. Peter - don't forget we supposedly pay on par with the USA... or so 
our oil companies say anyway.

Paul

Peter Lowe wrote:
> You guys are bitching about nothing, we pay $4.10 to $4.24US a gallon here, 
> that is converted to US gallons and Oz $ to US$, that is on a good day.
> Seeing you guzzle the largest amount of the worlds GAS, why shouldn't you 
> pay for it. (smile) now watch the flames get thrown ;-)))
> It is only going to get more expensive, so hang on to you wallets.
>
> Peter, Oz
>   



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  5 06:38:29 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:38:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706050922360.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C28AB565.1C25C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

A bunch of old dead dudes?
-- 
Kelley



On 6/5/07 6:26 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> OK Folks,
> 
> Here's this month's quiz...
> 
> What do these 12 names have in common?
> 
> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 06:42:17 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:42:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip - saw some old iron......
In-Reply-To: <1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <779015.50778.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Bill,
  That is quite a road trip.
  Bummer too,,, I wonder ,,, Was it last year or the year before that I GAVE five of them eagles, all 1980-83, to the junkyard ?
  There was four wagons and one was a 4-door.
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
  Left for PA from IA early Friday May 25th. While passing through Indiana,
saw a flatbed with a large engine, looked like those large "oil field"
engines some of you fellers have. It occupied pretty much 10' or so of
that flatbed.
On the way back to Iowa, saw more than one load of old iron, a couple with
some engines mixed in the bunch - was there something going on that
weekend?
This was later Sunday the 27th and what I saw was headed east through
Indiana.
Wow, for the tolls, and the highest gas prices of the entire trip, Indiana
roads SUCK, sorry, but Iowa, Illinois, Ohio and PA have got Indiana beat
hands-down in highway quality AND gas prices (although Ohio gas scared us
a bit, too). For such high gas taxes and those tolls, you'd
expect.............. while PA was the most expensive in tolls, their
highways were good and you can see that money went to tunnels, bridges and
all the extra engineering in their highways through the hills.
Iowa gas was 3.09 when we left, it went up from there with Ohio at about
3.49, Indiana at 3.59 and PA at 2.99 to 3.04.
(*When I got back Iowa had shot up to 3.29, but has settled to 2.99 since.)
PA cost us 60 bucks just to get through and back out, but they made up for
it in nice roads and shortcuts through those ridges and all. $9 just for
the privilage of entering the state of PA, then the tolls start.
My friend Doug, who made the trip with me, did a fantastic write-up here:
http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=10670.0
and here it sits at home:
http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg
The thing rode very well back there, straight and true. I felt it on the
hills, it kept me at about 55 much of PA, but otherwise was well behaved.
The car if the engine had been in it would be about 3500 - the engine rode
in the back of the pickup.
The tarp is because it's electric windows, there is no battery and the
driver window was down. I've just not carried a battery to it so I can
"roll" the window up.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
Home of the still stuck 7hp Chapman
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4
1980 Eagle wagon
http://theamcpages.com
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jun  5 06:46:26 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:46:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<46656224.4020603@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <004001c7a777$e9acc7f0$0601a8c0@altech>

Yoiu gotta be kidding me Paul ;-))
Peter




>I was going to echo Peter... but since he's already done it... I do have
> to wonder what the attraction for the car is? I guess it is something
> special when it runs?
>
> ps. Peter - don't forget we supposedly pay on par with the USA... or so
> our oil companies say anyway.
>
> Paul
>
> Peter Lowe wrote:
>> You guys are bitching about nothing, we pay $4.10 to $4.24US a gallon 
>> here,
>> that is converted to US gallons and Oz $ to US$, that is on a good day.
>> Seeing you guzzle the largest amount of the worlds GAS, why shouldn't you
>> pay for it. (smile) now watch the flames get thrown ;-)))
>> It is only going to get more expensive, so hang on to you wallets.
>>
>> Peter, Oz
>>
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jun  5 06:47:53 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:47:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
References: <C28AB565.1C25C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <004401c7a778$1de9bc80$0601a8c0@altech>

Good one Kelley, I can't Google any answers. Put us out of our misery Arnie 
;-))

Peter, Oz






>A bunch of old dead dudes?
> -- 
> Kelley
>
>
>
> On 6/5/07 6:26 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>> OK Folks,
>>
>> Here's this month's quiz...
>>
>> What do these 12 names have in common?
>>
>> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>>
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Jun  5 06:50:08 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:50:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Greatest job in the world.
In-Reply-To: <20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <200706051350.l55DoB5O089719@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Iron Classics Snow #404 (Rough and Tumble) is one of the best old iron
videos I've ever seen.  It is very well edited and there is virtually no
"dead time" in it.  Good job, Dave!

I have no connection with Iron Classics, just a satisfied customer. 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

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From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
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Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:11 PM
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Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Greatest job in the world.

Last week I finished up a course in running a steam traction engine 
at Rough and Tumble in south east PA  (I highly recommend the course, 
great fun and 12 hrs of hands on out of 16 hrs of training.)

I worked beside Dave Muehsam  After we cleaned the boiler and lubed 
and checked everything and of course filled it with water, we had a 
little time while we waited for the water to boil so I asked him what 
he does for a living.  He goes to tractor shows and makes videos!  It 
takes him about a year to edit down a video and get it ready for 
sale, and then he is off to the next one.  It's a tough job but 
someone has to do it.

Here is a picture of my coworker doing research for his next video.
http://www.ironclassics.com/New_Pages_folder/WhatsNew.html

And some pix of the school  (Last year)
http://www.roughandtumble.org/rt-albums/rt-2006_sch/rt_photo_2006_sch.asp

Frank

 
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From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Tue Jun  5 06:52:53 2007
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:52:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
Message-ID: <d61.9e98c41.3396c4b5@aol.com>

Come on Arnie,
You know the right answer is engines built in Butler Co. PA !    The feature 
engines of Coolspring  :o)
 
TTYL, Dwight



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Tue Jun  5 06:53:05 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:53:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
References: <C28AB565.1C25C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <004301c7a778$d8e04900$6eaa123f@D8LJ7K91>

Those are all engines built in Butler County, PA and will be featured at 
Coolspring next week.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelley Garcia" <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?


>A bunch of old dead dudes?
> -- 
> Kelley
>
>
>
> On 6/5/07 6:26 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>> OK Folks,
>>
>> Here's this month's quiz...
>>
>> What do these 12 names have in common?
>>
>> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun  5 07:46:51 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:46:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <380-2200762513226250@coastalnet.com>
References: <380-2200762513226250@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706051039080.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>

Ken came pretty close.  All are engines used in the PA oilfields and all
were built in Butler County, PA.  The first nine were all actually built
in the City of Butler.

AND most importantly, "Those Magnificant Butler County Engines" are the
feature of Coolspring 2007 which runs June 14-16.  That's next week for
those of you lacking calendars.  8-))
http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/

See ya all there!!

Arnie

PS - Kelley?  A bunch of old dead white guys?
Sheesh.  I REALLY expected better.  8-))

On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Ken Christison wrote:

> Butler, PA?
>
> > From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> >
> > Here's this month's quiz...
> > What do these 12 names have in common?
> >
> > Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
> > Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  5 07:48:13 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:48:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706051039080.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

I didn't know they were white....
-- 
Kelley

PS.  However, my answer _was_ correct, was it not?



On 6/5/07 7:46 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Ken came pretty close.  All are engines used in the PA oilfields and all
> were built in Butler County, PA.  The first nine were all actually built
> in the City of Butler.
> 
> AND most importantly, "Those Magnificant Butler County Engines" are the
> feature of Coolspring 2007 which runs June 14-16.  That's next week for
> those of you lacking calendars.  8-))
> http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/
> 
> See ya all there!!
> 
> Arnie
> 
> PS - Kelley?  A bunch of old dead white guys?
> Sheesh.  I REALLY expected better.  8-))
> 
> On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Ken Christison wrote:
> 
>> Butler, PA?
>> 
>>> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>> 
>>> Here's this month's quiz...
>>> What do these 12 names have in common?
>>> 
>>> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>>> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
> 
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  5 08:18:25 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:18:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <26FB7DE4-0DFA-479D-BD4F-1F5D22CFA5BC@rustyiron.com>

Coincidentally, these are also the names of the people Arnie dated in  
high school.


>>>> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>>>> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?






From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jun  5 08:33:20 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:33:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <26FB7DE4-0DFA-479D-BD4F-1F5D22CFA5BC@rustyiron.com>
References: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<26FB7DE4-0DFA-479D-BD4F-1F5D22CFA5BC@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1825.165.206.180.53.1181057600.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Price Bros.?
Both at once?
OR alternate weekends?

Bill

> Coincidentally, these are also the names of the people Arnie dated in
> high school.
>
>
>>>>> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>>>>> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
>
>
>
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun  5 08:35:25 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:35:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
References: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<26FB7DE4-0DFA-479D-BD4F-1F5D22CFA5BC@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <007901c7a787$265310b0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?


> Coincidentally, these are also the names of the people Arnie dated in  
> high school.
> 
> 
>>>>> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>>>>> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?

Etna, That must have been a Bl*w Job. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jun  5 09:54:32 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:54:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706051039080.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070605115009.01da4e40@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:48 AM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
>I didn't know they were white....
>--
>Kelley
>PS.  However, my answer _was_ correct, was it not?

Yes Kelley, you were correct and we should all remember that we owe much to 
MEN like these who because of their intelligence, foresight and selfishness 
brought us into the industrial age while their women stayed home and did 
what women do best--had babies and cooked!
         Dave 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun  5 10:05:03 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:05:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706051255590.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hiya Kelley,

Actually, no.  8-))

A number of them certainly were guys; Evan & Harvey Evans, Pryor & J.P.
Berry, George Spang, Thomas W. Phillips, James and E. Brooks Wise, for
example.  OTOH, The Etna Machine Works was named for its location on Etna
Street in Butler.

I think Dave probably had the right idea.  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:

> PS.  However, my answer _was_ correct, was it not?


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 11:11:38 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:11:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <46656224.4020603@steamengine.com.au>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<46656224.4020603@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706051111j52b09b6v20143aa889552c98@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/06/07, Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
> I was going to echo Peter... but since he's already done it... I do have
> to wonder what the attraction for the car is? I guess it is something
> special when it runs?
>
> ps. Peter - don't forget we supposedly pay on par with the USA... or so
> our oil companies say anyway.
>
> Paul
>
> Peter Lowe wrote:
> > You guys are bitching about nothing, we pay $4.10 to $4.24US a gallon here,
> > that is converted to US gallons and Oz $ to US$, that is on a good day.
> > Seeing you guzzle the largest amount of the worlds GAS, why shouldn't you
> > pay for it. (smile) now watch the flames get thrown ;-)))
> > It is only going to get more expensive, so hang on to you wallets.
> >
> > Peter, Oz


You all need to to take a trip to the UK to see high fuel prices....

?0.99p per litre on the freeways, that is close to $US 1.85 or
whatever today's exchange rate is, then convert to US or Imperial
gallons as the case may be.

Since we moved our factory to just around the corner from where we
live, it has saved us nearly $US1000.00 a month in fuel, not to
mention our driving time and vehicle wear and tear.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  5 11:27:58 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:27:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160706051111j52b09b6v20143aa889552c98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<46656224.4020603@steamengine.com.au>
	<6f6025160706051111j52b09b6v20143aa889552c98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0AF8A91B-0F85-499C-A039-C29FC6E9E4F2@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> Since we moved our factory to just around the corner from where we
> live, it has saved us nearly $US1000.00 a month in fuel, not to
> mention our driving time and vehicle wear and tear.

$1k/mo will translate into some nice engines, mate.







From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  5 16:50:15 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:50:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070605115009.01da4e40@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <C28B44C7.1C2AF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

WE send them off to work 'cause they're ineffectual with babies, cooking,
and a multitude of other tasks - all at the same time.  Women needed them
out from under foot so they could get the REAL work done.  Good thing they
(men) found something useful to do!
-- 
Kelley



On 6/5/07 9:54 AM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

> At 09:48 AM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
>> I didn't know they were white....
>> --
>> Kelley
>> PS.  However, my answer _was_ correct, was it not?
> 
> Yes Kelley, you were correct and we should all remember that we owe much to
> MEN like these who because of their intelligence, foresight and selfishness
> brought us into the industrial age while their women stayed home and did
> what women do best--had babies and cooked!
>          Dave 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Jun  5 19:11:50 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:11:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral (& R-T) engine numbers
Message-ID: <20070606021149.DEJX13690.oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I am beginning to dig through all the data that goes with the Austral
register. The first little project I have completed is to get a more
complete Austral (& R-T) engine dating list online:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/australnumbers.html
Let me know if you see any obvious errors ;)
I am now going to start hunting down Australs that are not on the register.
There are a lot that are on the register already but there are also a lot
that are not or are incorrectly or only partially recorded. I am only just
beginning to get a hold of it all and I am currently relying on writing any
new numbers on bits of paper. I hope to have a computer database up and
running soon to keep track of it all. I have already added four engines to
the register and it is only the first week.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From kimmell at verizon.net  Tue Jun  5 20:05:03 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:05:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

I remember in 1999-2000 gas around here was in the neighborhood of 
$1.00 per gallon.  Gas is now over three times that price.  I hardly 
think the number of cars on the road nor amount of gas consumed has 
TRIPLED in the last 7 years.  I'd also like to know why gas goes up 
in 10-20 cent jumps, but never drops more than 1-2 cents at 
once.  Fluctuations should go both ways, should they not?

One thing that Europe and the rest of the world has that the USA 
doesn't is an abundance of diesel cars.  The liberal tree hugging 
idiots have done a good job of keeping them out of here (along with 
some people's misconceptions that all diesels are like the Olds 350 
diesel of the late 70's).  VW and Mercedes quit selling diesels in 
the US a few years ago.  Related to the ultra low sulphur diesel fuel 
changeover and the fact that they couldn't pass the EPA emissions, 
blah-blah-blah... (insert liberal BS excuse here).  Fact is, diesels 
get better mileage, last longer, and can run on a more diverse 
mixture of different fuels than a gas engine.  And around here, 
diesel is about 50 cents cheaper per gallon than gas (should be ALOT 
cheaper since it's just a refinery by-product, but whatever).

I run my VW Jetta diesel on used motor oil (or used cooking oil) and 
get 43 MPG.

-Tony


At 07:34 AM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
>Seeing you guzzle the largest amount of the worlds GAS, why shouldn't you
>pay for it. (smile) now watch the flames get thrown ;-)))
>It is only going to get more expensive, so hang on to you wallets.
>
>Peter, Oz




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  5 20:55:14 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:55:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <ED52BA0E-71E5-4A5F-B27E-0C81CC258AFF@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 5, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Tony & Jackie wrote:

> I remember in 1999-2000 gas around here was in the neighborhood of
> $1.00 per gallon.  Gas is now over three times that price.  I hardly
> think the number of cars on the road nor amount of gas consumed has
> TRIPLED in the last 7 years.  I'd also like to know why gas goes up
> in 10-20 cent jumps, but never drops more than 1-2 cents at
> once.  Fluctuations should go both ways, should they not?

Hi Tony,
I remember that gasoline was just breaking a buck a gallon back in  
1979 when I started driving.  The BIG question is, why did the price  
remain flat over a twenty year period?  If your number is correct,  
then the price of gasoline, when adjusted to the consumer price  
index, actually DROPPED 56%.  How many other commodities decreased in  
cost by more than half?

> I run my VW Jetta diesel on used motor oil (or used cooking oil) and
> get 43 MPG.

I'm curious about this. What do you do to turn the used oil into  
usable fuel.  Cost of raw materials?  Man hours?

Thanks,
Rob






From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  6 01:18:32 2007
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:18:32 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <46636F13.7040105@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY143-F15007E78960BA164E5E0BFD0270@phx.gbl>

Hey Tommy,I'm big headed enough now without calling me special.Seriously, 
been waiting years to come over and meet you and other serious collectors. 
Can't wait,  See Ya   John


>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring Show
>Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:46:59 -0400
>
>Dave and everyone,
>     We'll have a special SEL member with us this year.  John Palmer from
>England will be making the trip across the water to visit Coolspring.
>His son will be joining him and I've reserved them a room in
>Brookville.  I look forward to seeing everyone soon.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
> >Hi All,
> >	I'll be reserving space again this year at Coolspring for the SEL gang! 
>As
> >in the past we will be in the 3rd row to the right way down near the 
>trees.
> >I'll have a sign at the end of that row with an arrow pointing to the
> >right. I should have the ropes and SEL RESERVE signs in place by late
> >Tuesday (June 12th.)  Jake will know where we are in case you can't find 
>us
> >to set up.
> >	My Austral (along with my 15 HP IHC--which I'm selling) will be set up 
>at
> >the very end of the SEL reserved space. Please try to "fill in" from 
>right
> >to left so that we can give back any space that we don't need by Friday
> >evening. See you at Coolspring!
> >	Dave
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Wed Jun  6 04:31:22 2007
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:31:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <ED52BA0E-71E5-4A5F-B27E-0C81CC258AFF@rustyiron.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<ED52BA0E-71E5-4A5F-B27E-0C81CC258AFF@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <web-429892320@mail.hal-pc.org>


"The BIG question is, why did the price
remain flat over a twenty year period? If your number is correct,
then the price of gasoline, when adjusted to the consumer price
index, actually DROPPED 56%. How many other commodities decreased in
cost by more than half?"

Accurate observation Rob but not exactly what people suffering from 
high energy costs want to hear.

I know from personal experience that the longer we draw from a 
non-renewable the less there is and the harder it is to find what's 
left. The easy reserves are found and developed first and what's left 
is deeper in the earth, deeper water, tighter rock etc all costing 
significantly more to develope technology that wasn't around 10 or 
even 5 years ago. We are producing reserves from shale that a few 
years ago we just drilled through to get to the good stuff, but it 
ain't cheap.


On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:55:14 -0700
  Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> On Jun 5, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Tony & Jackie wrote:
> 
>> I remember in 1999-2000 gas around here was in the neighborhood of
>> $1.00 per gallon.  Gas is now over three times that price.  I hardly
>> think the number of cars on the road nor amount of gas consumed has
>> TRIPLED in the last 7 years.  I'd also like to know why gas goes up
>> in 10-20 cent jumps, but never drops more than 1-2 cents at
>> once.  Fluctuations should go both ways, should they not?
> 
> Hi Tony,
> I remember that gasoline was just breaking a buck a gallon back in  
> 1979 when I started driving.  The BIG question is, why did the price 
> 
> remain flat over a twenty year period?  If your number is correct,  
> then the price of gasoline, when adjusted to the consumer price  
> index, actually DROPPED 56%.  How many other commodities decreased 
>in  
> cost by more than half?
> 
>> I run my VW Jetta diesel on used motor oil (or used cooking oil) and
>> get 43 MPG.
> 
> I'm curious about this. What do you do to turn the used oil into  
> usable fuel.  Cost of raw materials?  Man hours?
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  6 04:46:38 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 04:46:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate
In-Reply-To: <web-429892320@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <803471.59398.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day All Aussies

Any one know where I can get a cast brass name plate
for a Austral / MV agent, it is 200 mm or 8" between
bolt holes.
Thanks for any help


Kerry

Lithgow NSW Oz



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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun  6 05:46:14 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:46:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate
References: <803471.59398.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c7a838$abe51320$d4ee683a@Edd>

Hi Kerry.I got one from Greg McNeice at rally badges.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry Morris" <ozhornsby at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:46 PM
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate


> G'Day All Aussies
>
> Any one know where I can get a cast brass name plate
> for a Austral / MV agent, it is 200 mm or 8" between
> bolt holes.
> Thanks for any help
>
>
> Kerry
>
> Lithgow NSW Oz
>
>
>
> 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Jun  6 08:57:33 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:57:33 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Fielding & Platt follow up
Message-ID: <200706061802953.SM01692@new.databak.co.za>

Hi All,
         I'm still no further with finding info on the Fielding & Platt. 
I've drawn a few blanks so far but am still exploring other channels.
         In the meantime the owner gave me a few pics of the engine as he 
was stripping it. They are not of the best quality but they are the best I 
have. (The engine was dismantled - so don't expect to see a restored 
engine). More pics will follow as I get them.
They are here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/fielding/index.htm>

         One thing that will really help him is a set of "starting 
Instructions" if anyone can oblige.

         Thanks to all those of you who did respond to my previous mail.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 09:12:55 2007
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:12:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>

Just a couple of observations:
As to " I hardly think the number of cars on the road nor amount of gas
consumed has TRIPLED in the last 7 years"

In the SanFran Bay Area traffic has increased and continues to do so. People
are driving further to work, and those that don't are still using more fuel
because they are on the road longer. A regular 35 mile trip takes me 45
minutes to an hour and sometimes longer; that's more fuel per mile. I don't
know what the traffic increase is, but there is definitely an increase
around here.

I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is the way
to go for now. More efficient diesel engines can be developed now and we
don't have to wait years for dream terminology and all the unknowns to come
on-line.

There is something about gas prices that has always annoyed me. I can pump
gas within sight of a refinery and pay more there than I pay in the hills
where the gas has to be trucked miles. I understand a little extra for local
taxes (lots extra in SanFran) but it just bugs me that gas prices are turned
around like that.

Paul in SanFran
Gotta get to work so I can fill my tank.



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 09:31:23 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:31:23 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706060931w69409b9cs90fa9eb3ff5079cc@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/06/07, P. Johns <enginepaul at gmail.com> wrote:

> I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is the way
> to go for now. More efficient diesel engines can be developed now and we
> don't have to wait years for dream terminology and all the unknowns to come
> on-line.
>

GM and Ford both have European companies with highly efficient
diesels, why they don't introduce them to the USA I have no idea.

Take also the companies like Isuzu, who have a fine range of diesel
engines, and the two French companies, Renault and Peugeot. All these
have decent high-output car and truck engines, and at the very top end
you have Volvo and Scania with up to 550hp truck diesel engines.

Cummins is playing a little catch-up on technology, but they will get there.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 09:34:46 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:34:46 +0100
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <C28B44C7.1C2AF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
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On 06/06/07, Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> WE send them off to work 'cause they're ineffectual with babies, cooking,
> and a multitude of other tasks - all at the same time.  Women needed them
> out from under foot so they could get the REAL work done.  Good thing they
> (men) found something useful to do!
> --
> Kelley
>

I could have serious doubts over some of those statements, Kelley! :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jun  6 09:41:55 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:41:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>
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> I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is  
> the way
> to go for now.

Diesel is always the way to go, as higher compression ratio equals  
higher efficiency.  Dugald Clerk wrote about it more than one hundred  
years ago.  Clerk actually stated in one of his books that although  
Diesel was on the right track by experimenting with high compression  
engines, Diesel still didn't know WHY high compression was better,  
and that he didn't understand the thermodynamics involved.  SMACK!   
Ya think there could have been a little rivalry among engine luminaries?

Rob




From brock at netspeed.com.au  Wed Jun  6 06:33:24 2007
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:33:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate
Message-ID: <4666b7a4.24c.63d1.91432062@netspeed.com.au>

Try B Erickson he probly took it  
----- Original Message -----
From: Kerry Morris <ozhornsby at yahoo.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 04:46:38 -0700 (PDT)

> G'Day All Aussies
> 
> Any one know where I can get a cast brass name plate
> for a Austral / MV agent, it is 200 mm or 8" between
> bolt holes.
> Thanks for any help
> 
> 
> Kerry
> 
> Lithgow NSW Oz
> 
> 
> 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 11:02:33 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:02:33 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com>
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On 06/06/07, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> > I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is
> > the way
> > to go for now.
>
> Diesel is always the way to go, as higher compression ratio equals
> higher efficiency.  Dugald Clerk wrote about it more than one hundred
> years ago.  Clerk actually stated in one of his books that although
> Diesel was on the right track by experimenting with high compression
> engines, Diesel still didn't know WHY high compression was better,
> and that he didn't understand the thermodynamics involved.  SMACK!
> Ya think there could have been a little rivalry among engine luminaries?
>
> Rob
>

Just been talking to our local Renault dealer about replacing our
present van. It will be 3 yrs old in September, probably done
150,000miles or so and we are gradually reducing the van replacement
time cycle so that we eventually run under the 3-year warranty.

The 140hp 2.5 turbo engine is now 150hp, same size engine, but the
other bits are much the same. Getting a quote tomorrow, delivery will
be September anyway.

Can't remember what Audi and BMW get out of their car diesels, but the
2.5litre Renault van engine is a real gem. I believe that we can get
it upped to 220HP with a chip remapping, but likely that would hurt
the reliability (and warranty!) Best one we have ever had in the UK so
far.



Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun  6 13:35:05 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>
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Note on gas engines, they have INCREASED compression ratios and are using
fast burn chambers.
Remember the compression ratios of the 60's and early 70's were in the
10:1 and 9:1 range, then dropped to 8:1 in the green decades - they are
back up.
Wonder why??
Fast burn, high compression, more effecient, less ping the faster you burn
it, racers know more compression means more power and more effeciency.

So what's the difference between our 90 year old H n M engines and the
newer engines that lock out certain valves when the power isn't needed?
GM stated it was "new technology" when they started using it. Tell that to
the folks at Hercules or Waterloo, etc. - s'pose they are rolling in their
graves? (about 500 rpm when needed, I guess)

Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.

I hear the diesel used in the Jeep Liberty is pretty decent - that what do
they call it, rail system, whatever...

Bill

> On 06/06/07, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
>> > I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is
>> > the way
>> > to go for now.
>>
>> Diesel is always the way to go, as higher compression ratio equals
>> higher efficiency.  Dugald Clerk wrote about it more than one hundred
>> years ago.  Clerk actually stated in one of his books that although
>> Diesel was on the right track by experimenting with high compression
>> engines, Diesel still didn't know WHY high compression was better,
>> and that he didn't understand the thermodynamics involved.  SMACK!
>> Ya think there could have been a little rivalry among engine luminaries?
>>
>> Rob
>>
>
> Just been talking to our local Renault dealer about replacing our
> present van. It will be 3 yrs old in September, probably done
> 150,000miles or so and we are gradually reducing the van replacement
> time cycle so that we eventually run under the 3-year warranty.
>
> The 140hp 2.5 turbo engine is now 150hp, same size engine, but the
> other bits are much the same. Getting a quote tomorrow, delivery will
> be September anyway.
>
> Can't remember what Audi and BMW get out of their car diesels, but the
> 2.5litre Renault van engine is a real gem. I believe that we can get
> it upped to 220HP with a chip remapping, but likely that would hurt
> the reliability (and warranty!) Best one we have ever had in the UK so
> far.
>
>
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jun  6 16:05:31 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:05:31 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net><1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech><0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net><8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com><6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com><6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>
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Well welcome to Diesel Land !This country has been using the technology for
bloody years .Drive down the main street of any Australian country town and 
you would
see plenty of  them .The latest Common Rail engines are as drivable as your
petrol engined models.
3 litre turbo charged ,
110 Kw,
314 Nm of torque,
Economy...9.8 Litres /100Km,
Towing capacity...3000Kg  [that's 3 Tons for the uninformed],
I am happy with that and it runs on Bio Diesel!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs


> Note on gas engines, they have INCREASED compression ratios and are using
> fast burn chambers.
> Remember the compression ratios of the 60's and early 70's were in the
> 10:1 and 9:1 range, then dropped to 8:1 in the green decades - they are
> back up.
> Wonder why??
> Fast burn, high compression, more effecient, less ping the faster you burn
> it, racers know more compression means more power and more effeciency.
>
> So what's the difference between our 90 year old H n M engines and the
> newer engines that lock out certain valves when the power isn't needed?
> GM stated it was "new technology" when they started using it. Tell that to
> the folks at Hercules or Waterloo, etc. - s'pose they are rolling in their
> graves? (about 500 rpm when needed, I guess)
>
> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>
> I hear the diesel used in the Jeep Liberty is pretty decent - that what do
> they call it, rail system, whatever...
>
> Bill
>
>> On 06/06/07, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
>>> > I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is
>>> > the way
>>> > to go for now.
>>>
>>> Diesel is always the way to go, as higher compression ratio equals
>>> higher efficiency.  Dugald Clerk wrote about it more than one hundred
>>> years ago.  Clerk actually stated in one of his books that although
>>> Diesel was on the right track by experimenting with high compression
>>> engines, Diesel still didn't know WHY high compression was better,
>>> and that he didn't understand the thermodynamics involved.  SMACK!
>>> Ya think there could have been a little rivalry among engine luminaries?
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>
>> Just been talking to our local Renault dealer about replacing our
>> present van. It will be 3 yrs old in September, probably done
>> 150,000miles or so and we are gradually reducing the van replacement
>> time cycle so that we eventually run under the 3-year warranty.
>>
>> The 140hp 2.5 turbo engine is now 150hp, same size engine, but the
>> other bits are much the same. Getting a quote tomorrow, delivery will
>> be September anyway.
>>
>> Can't remember what Audi and BMW get out of their car diesels, but the
>> 2.5litre Renault van engine is a real gem. I believe that we can get
>> it upped to 220HP with a chip remapping, but likely that would hurt
>> the reliability (and warranty!) Best one we have ever had in the UK so
>> far.
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter
>> --
>> Peter A Forbes
>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jun  6 16:46:37 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:46:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
Message-ID: <c78.14a2a357.3398a15d@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/5/2007 9:54:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Vivas1993 at aol.com writes:

You know the right answer is engines built in Butler Co. PA 

And here I was raised in Butler till my teens and did not know that!  Glad to 
learn something new today!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jun  6 16:57:02 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:57:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
Message-ID: <d11.c19ed8d.3398a3ce@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/6/2007 12:32:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

and the two French companies, Renault and Peugeot.

 
In the younger years, I owned three Renault Daulphines, 40 hp, 4 speed, got 
40 mpg all day long!!  Wish I had a few of them now.  
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From JR504 at aol.com  Wed Jun  6 17:01:47 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:01:47 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
Message-ID: <d33.e4f3e97.3398a4eb@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/6/2007 4:37:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

Note on  gas engines, they have INCREASED compression ratios and are using
fast burn  chambers.
Remember the compression ratios of the 60's and early 70's were  in the
10:1 and 9:1 range, then dropped to 8:1 in the green decades - they  are
back up.
Wonder why??



The major reason compression ratios increased a few years back was that the  
EPA was focusing on cold start hydrocarbons.  I forget the exact numbers  they 
were quoting, but I remember them saying that cars released more raw  
hydrocarbons out the tailpipe in the first few miles (before the catalytic  converter 
was lit) than they did in the next 50 miles of driving...or something  like 
that.  They were looking at all kinds of solutions like heated  catalytic 
converters.  These things had electric heater grids that would  heat them to 
operating temps before the driver could start the car.  They  also looked at 
hydrocarbon absorbers like the ones Toyota used on their hybrids  for a few years.  
Eventually they settled on bumping the compression ratios  to get the cold 
start hydrocarbons in line, and then feeding the engines  increased EGR gasses to 
deal with the increased NOx emissions caused by the  higher combustion temps.  
Joe Rappa
Mexico, NY



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From kimmell at verizon.net  Wed Jun  6 18:22:50 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:22:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <ED52BA0E-71E5-4A5F-B27E-0C81CC258AFF@rustyiron.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
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At 10:55 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
> > I run my VW Jetta diesel on used motor oil (or used cooking oil) and
> > get 43 MPG.
>
>I'm curious about this. What do you do to turn the used oil into
>usable fuel.  Cost of raw materials?  Man hours?
>
>Thanks,
>Rob

Rob,
This is still an experimental project.  I've successfully run it on 
pure motor oil in a temporary boat tank setup in the car.  I have a 
couple 55 gallon drums that I am going to setup as a filter 
station.  I will have a Frantz bypass oil filter unit setup between 
the 2 drums (remember the old oil filters that used a roll of 
TP?  Same thing).  I get used oil 50 gallons at a time from the shop 
at work.  Dump the dirty oil in one drum and plug in the pump.  After 
about 10-15 hours all the oil will have been filtered down below 1 
micron and transferred over to the other drum.  The second drum will 
have a hand crank bung pump to transfer it to whatever tank setup I 
put in the car.  I will probably use a 10-15 gallon auxiliary tank 
mounted in the trunk and plumbed into the system with a tank transfer 
switch from a dual tank pickup truck.

Cold starting will be done on regular diesel and switched over to oil 
once warmed up for a few minutes to prevent coking in the 
cylinders.  In cold weather I'll probably have to cut it with 30-40% 
diesel or kerosene.  That 15w40 diesel oil gets pretty thick.

The above setup will work with pure veggie oil too, but you really 
wouldn't have to filter it as much as I filter my motor oil.  the 
veggie oil hasn't been through the crankcase of a Detroit Diesel for 
15,000 miles...

-Tony



From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jun  6 18:09:50 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:09:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <2023.165.206.180.53.1181162105.squirrel@www.antique-engine s.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
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>Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>Bil

Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would 
burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
         Dave
PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jun  6 18:56:24 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:56:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <0JJ800HEFRV4JEUI@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
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Tony,
    I've thought about a similar set up.  I used to have a couple of 
Isuzu Pup diesel pickups.  Wished I still did.  I could get about 38 MPG 
on one of them and about 35 on the other.  If I still had them I'd give 
the waste oil a try.  I know the filtration system will work as there 
are filter systems that some over the road truckers are using that 
allows 50K plus miles between changes.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>At 10:55 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
>  
>
>>>I run my VW Jetta diesel on used motor oil (or used cooking oil) and
>>>get 43 MPG.
>>>      
>>>
>>I'm curious about this. What do you do to turn the used oil into
>>usable fuel.  Cost of raw materials?  Man hours?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Rob
>>    
>>
>
>Rob,
>This is still an experimental project.  I've successfully run it on 
>pure motor oil in a temporary boat tank setup in the car.  I have a 
>couple 55 gallon drums that I am going to setup as a filter 
>station.  I will have a Frantz bypass oil filter unit setup between 
>the 2 drums (remember the old oil filters that used a roll of 
>TP?  Same thing).  I get used oil 50 gallons at a time from the shop 
>at work.  Dump the dirty oil in one drum and plug in the pump.  After 
>about 10-15 hours all the oil will have been filtered down below 1 
>micron and transferred over to the other drum.  The second drum will 
>have a hand crank bung pump to transfer it to whatever tank setup I 
>put in the car.  I will probably use a 10-15 gallon auxiliary tank 
>mounted in the trunk and plumbed into the system with a tank transfer 
>switch from a dual tank pickup truck.
>
>Cold starting will be done on regular diesel and switched over to oil 
>once warmed up for a few minutes to prevent coking in the 
>cylinders.  In cold weather I'll probably have to cut it with 30-40% 
>diesel or kerosene.  That 15w40 diesel oil gets pretty thick.
>
>The above setup will work with pure veggie oil too, but you really 
>wouldn't have to filter it as much as I filter my motor oil.  the 
>veggie oil hasn't been through the crankcase of a Detroit Diesel for 
>15,000 miles...
>
>-Tony
>
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Wed Jun  6 21:26:11 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:26:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070606200607.01f2fd78@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <C28CD6F3.1C34A%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
-- 
Kelley



On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

> 
>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>> Bil
> 
> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would
> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>          Dave
> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
> 
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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  7 03:08:33 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 03:08:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7a838$abe51320$d4ee683a@Edd>
Message-ID: <565589.48337.qm@web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Edd

I will try Greg again but I originally ordered one
from him 5 years ago and after 2 years of asking I
gave up.

what a way to run a business.

Kerry

PS. coming through Wednesday on way home from Moree so
hope to see you again



> Hi Kerry.I got one from Greg McNeice at rally
> badges.
> EDD PAYNE



       
____________________________________________________________________________________
Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. 
http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Jun  7 06:45:34 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:45:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160706060931w69409b9cs90fa9eb3ff5079cc@mail.gmail.co
 m>
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	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
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	<6f6025160706060931w69409b9cs90fa9eb3ff5079cc@mail.gmail.com>
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Peter i can agree with you 100%. I have a friend that has a truck 
with a Renault engine. It is a Mack truck 32000 gross he hauls logs 
with it. He tells me he can average 15 mpg with it. Can't say that 
about any thing built in the states.
R Fink
PA




At 05:31 PM 6/6/2007 +0100, you wrote:
>On 06/06/07, P. Johns <enginepaul at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is the way
> > to go for now. More efficient diesel engines can be developed now and we
> > don't have to wait years for dream terminology and all the unknowns to come
> > on-line.
> >
>
>GM and Ford both have European companies with highly efficient
>diesels, why they don't introduce them to the USA I have no idea.
>
>Take also the companies like Isuzu, who have a fine range of diesel
>engines, and the two French companies, Renault and Peugeot. All these
>have decent high-output car and truck engines, and at the very top end
>you have Volvo and Scania with up to 550hp truck diesel engines.
>
>Cummins is playing a little catch-up on technology, but they will get there.
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Jun  7 06:53:32 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:53:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <2023.165.206.180.53.1181162105.squirrel@www.antique-engine s.com>
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Bill don't know anything about the Jeep diesel but did read an 
article that MOPAR was going to drop it. Could not meet emission requirements.
But they can build 100,000 cars that most likely pollute more.GO Figure
R Fink


At 01:35 PM 6/6/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>Note on gas engines, they have INCREASED compression ratios and are using
>fast burn chambers.
>Remember the compression ratios of the 60's and early 70's were in the
>10:1 and 9:1 range, then dropped to 8:1 in the green decades - they are
>back up.
>Wonder why??
>Fast burn, high compression, more effecient, less ping the faster you burn
>it, racers know more compression means more power and more effeciency.
>
>So what's the difference between our 90 year old H n M engines and the
>newer engines that lock out certain valves when the power isn't needed?
>GM stated it was "new technology" when they started using it. Tell that to
>the folks at Hercules or Waterloo, etc. - s'pose they are rolling in their
>graves? (about 500 rpm when needed, I guess)
>
>Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>
>I hear the diesel used in the Jeep Liberty is pretty decent - that what do
>they call it, rail system, whatever...
>
>Bill
>
> >




From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Jun  7 07:03:34 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:03:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070606200607.01f2fd78@mail.alltel.net>
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Well if we must BRAG my wife drives Subru [has for years] have not 
seen anything less than 23 MPG country driving. 30 plus out on the 
road. We don't care if it is a Hummer or a VW bug status don't mean 
much as long as it gets there and back CHEAP for 5 years or so.
I like my truck at 5-10 MPG hauls 4 ton a lot easier.
R Fink


At 08:09 PM 6/6/2007 -0500, you wrote:

> >Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
> >cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
> >And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
> >Bil
>
>Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would
>burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>          Dave
>PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Thu Jun  7 04:35:24 2007
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:35:24 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070606200607.01f2fd78@mail.alltel.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>	<8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>	<6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com>	<6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>	<2023.165.206.180.53.1181162105.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
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Maybe you should try giving it a tune up?
Ray Freeman
Perth WA


Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would 
burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
         Dave
PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jun  7 02:39:24 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:39:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <C28CD6F3.1C34A%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070606200607.01f2fd78@mail.alltel.net>
	<C28CD6F3.1C34A%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
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Point well taken. I withdraw my offer!
         Dave

At 11:26 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
>--
>Kelley
>
>
>
>On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
> >> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
> >> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
> >> Bil
> >
> > Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would
> > burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
> >          Dave
> > PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 04:41:42 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 04:41:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <d33.e4f3e97.3398a4eb@aol.com>
References: <d33.e4f3e97.3398a4eb@aol.com>
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>>and then feeding the engines  increased EGR gasses to
deal with the increased NOx emissions caused by the  higher combustion
temps. <<

Large quench areas are also a cause of NOX. So to reduce NOX emissions,
they had to find a way to minimize quench. do that and you have detonation
issues, melted pistons due to reduced or removed boundry layer, etc. To
offset that, the fastburn chamber was designed.
Like I say, racers have known for years you need higher compression and
faster burn for more power AND effeciency.
Cubic inches=power
higher compression ratio=power but more "ping" so you add quench. Add
turbulance to improve and increase burn rates. Flow the heads for power
and effeciency - todays head designs outflow "muscle car" heads that have
been ported and polished.
People cursed the EGR, but it actually is a good thing for your engine as
far as a longer life on engine pushed hard. I know a couple folks who
actually have resurrected their EGR to reduce ping and squeeze a bit more
"life" out of their engines.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
1970 Javelin (originally about 10:1, now about 9.4:1 with step-dish
pistons for more quench and faster burns)
1982 Eagle SX/4
1980 Eagle wagon
http://theamcpages.com

>
> In a message dated 6/6/2007 4:37:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
>
> Note on  gas engines, they have INCREASED compression ratios and are using
> fast burn  chambers.
> Remember the compression ratios of the 60's and early 70's were  in the
> 10:1 and 9:1 range, then dropped to 8:1 in the green decades - they  are
> back up.
> Wonder why??
>
>
>
> The major reason compression ratios increased a few years back was that
> the
> EPA was focusing on cold start hydrocarbons.  I forget the exact numbers
> they
> were quoting, but I remember them saying that cars released more raw
> hydrocarbons out the tailpipe in the first few miles (before the catalytic
>  converter
> was lit) than they did in the next 50 miles of driving...or something
> like
> that.  They were looking at all kinds of solutions like heated  catalytic
> converters.  These things had electric heater grids that would  heat them
> to
> operating temps before the driver could start the car.  They  also looked
> at
> hydrocarbon absorbers like the ones Toyota used on their hybrids  for a
> few years.
> Eventually they settled on bumping the compression ratios  to get the cold
> start hydrocarbons in line, and then feeding the engines  increased EGR
> gasses to
> deal with the increased NOx emissions caused by the  higher combustion
> temps.
> Joe Rappa
> Mexico, NY
>
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 05:06:05 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070606200607.01f2fd78@mail.alltel.net>
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Wish we still had our 90 Camaro - fully loaded V8 got 28 mpg on the
Interstate at 65 mph. So what's wrong with cars today that they brag if
they get over 20 mpg? Chevy did it. Chrysler did it with their 318.

Dude - can she do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcXC5IUOdFk

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/mramc1/winter-4.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOhyc4wQ4pI

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/joshpit2003/OffRoad082JPEG.jpg

Let me got my ignitions and fuel mods made and I might have a challange
for you.... esp if I drop the Edelbrock engine in........and still push 30
mpg

OR Mind if I pass your challange to a fellow who goes by the handle of
"hyper-eagle"? He's got a V8 Eagle that I'm afraid would tear that Jag to
shreads not only in speed, but the loads it can pull, river bed mudding,
rock crawling, etc.
So what's sort of times does it run in the 1/4? Are we talking 12's or 13's?
You gotta keep in mind, these Eagle drivetrains will out-pull and out last
any other "car" 4x4 drivetrain - they have Jeep systems under them with a
full cast iron I6 that developes some pretty hefty torqued, especially our
"strokers".


>>Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>>cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>Bil
>
> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would
> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>          Dave
> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 05:07:05 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:07:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
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I thought I heard a local fellow here ran his McDonalds grease through
some sort of a still or something?



 At 10:55 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
>> > I run my VW Jetta diesel on used motor oil (or used cooking oil) and
>> > get 43 MPG.
>>
>>I'm curious about this. What do you do to turn the used oil into
>>usable fuel.  Cost of raw materials?  Man hours?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Rob
>
> Rob,
> This is still an experimental project.  I've successfully run it on
> pure motor oil in a temporary boat tank setup in the car.  I have a
> couple 55 gallon drums that I am going to setup as a filter
> station.  I will have a Frantz bypass oil filter unit setup between
> the 2 drums (remember the old oil filters that used a roll of
> TP?  Same thing).  I get used oil 50 gallons at a time from the shop
> at work.  Dump the dirty oil in one drum and plug in the pump.  After
> about 10-15 hours all the oil will have been filtered down below 1
> micron and transferred over to the other drum.  The second drum will
> have a hand crank bung pump to transfer it to whatever tank setup I
> put in the car.  I will probably use a 10-15 gallon auxiliary tank
> mounted in the trunk and plumbed into the system with a tank transfer
> switch from a dual tank pickup truck.
>
> Cold starting will be done on regular diesel and switched over to oil
> once warmed up for a few minutes to prevent coking in the
> cylinders.  In cold weather I'll probably have to cut it with 30-40%
> diesel or kerosene.  That 15w40 diesel oil gets pretty thick.
>
> The above setup will work with pure veggie oil too, but you really
> wouldn't have to filter it as much as I filter my motor oil.  the
> veggie oil hasn't been through the crankcase of a Detroit Diesel for
> 15,000 miles...
>
> -Tony
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 05:14:07 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:14:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
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References: <C28CD6F3.1C34A%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
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Because my AMCs will outlast his Jag.............. how many of those will
be around in 37 years (my Jav with 350 hp), or even 27 years (the Eagles,
rust-free) and can still buy off-the-shelf parts for them from Jeep
dealers.

So they were 20+ years ahead of their time, and most of what Chrysler did
in the 90's, even through to today, was already on the AMC tables when
they took over. The Magnum engines, for example, the "cab-forward" design,
etc., all AMC designs. One of the main reasons for the take-over was
Chrysler needed ideas, wasn't able to come up with anything really new, so
they bought AMC for their ideas, designs and technology, much of which has
been released over the last decade. AMC designers worked on Jeep and Dodge
truck designs for years after '87.
Much of what AMC had in the design room was too far ahead of time and
consumers wouldn't buy it back then, but will now.

Compare their ideas and designs of the 70's/80's to today's cars - and see
how many matches you can find.  Do some patent searches.......

> But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
> --
> Kelley
>
>
>
> On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>> Bil
>>
>> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would
>> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>>          Dave
>> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 05:16:14 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:16:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
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Real logic!
With pickup sales at what, roughly 54 percent of all auto sales now, do
emissions figures even count any more?

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4
1980 Eagle wagon
http://theamcpages.com

> Bill don't know anything about the Jeep diesel but did read an
> article that MOPAR was going to drop it. Could not meet emission
> requirements.
> But they can build 100,000 cars that most likely pollute more.GO Figure
> R Fink
>
>
> At 01:35 PM 6/6/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>>Note on gas engines, they have INCREASED compression ratios and are using
>>fast burn chambers.
>>Remember the compression ratios of the 60's and early 70's were in the
>>10:1 and 9:1 range, then dropped to 8:1 in the green decades - they are
>>back up.
>>Wonder why??
>>Fast burn, high compression, more effecient, less ping the faster you
>> burn
>>it, racers know more compression means more power and more effeciency.
>>
>>So what's the difference between our 90 year old H n M engines and the
>>newer engines that lock out certain valves when the power isn't needed?
>>GM stated it was "new technology" when they started using it. Tell that
>> to
>>the folks at Hercules or Waterloo, etc. - s'pose they are rolling in
>> their
>>graves? (about 500 rpm when needed, I guess)
>>
>>Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>>cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>
>>I hear the diesel used in the Jeep Liberty is pretty decent - that what
>> do
>>they call it, rail system, whatever...
>>
>>Bill
>>
>> >
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Jun  7 01:52:47 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:52:47 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial No.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070607104151.00b11c00@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Can anyone please tell me where to look for the serial number on 
an 8/9 H.P. Fairbanks Morse Style C.
         Also, is there a downloadable manual out there anywhere?
Many thanks

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Thu Jun  7 05:38:51 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:38:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate
References: <565589.48337.qm@web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7a900$cde0bba0$d4ee683a@Edd>

Should be home mate!!!Will be great to see you.You can get your Mogul book.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry Morris" <ozhornsby at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral Name Plate


> Thanks Edd
>
> I will try Greg again but I originally ordered one
> from him 5 years ago and after 2 years of asking I
> gave up.
>
> what a way to run a business.
>
> Kerry
>
> PS. coming through Wednesday on way home from Moree so
> hope to see you again
>
>
>
>> Hi Kerry.I got one from Greg McNeice at rally
>> badges.
>> EDD PAYNE
>
>
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 06:53:55 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:53:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
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On 07/06/07, Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote:
> Peter i can agree with you 100%. I have a friend that has a truck
> with a Renault engine. It is a Mack truck 32000 gross he hauls logs
> with it. He tells me he can average 15 mpg with it. Can't say that
> about any thing built in the states.
> R Fink
> PA
>

I had an interesting chat with the van sales guy at Kettering this
morning. The 2.5litre 140hp engine is now 150hp, but it is not in the
sales brochure any more. Renault are asking their sales people to make
sure that the engine is only sold to users who cover regular medium to
high mileages.

Seems that the engine is loaded with particulate filters that have to
be kept clean by running at full temperature, so to avoid problems
with drivers who go round town all day, they are pushing a lower
output engine (2 litre 115bhp)

Also, and this bit hurts high-mileage folks like us, the service
interval has come down from 18000 miles to 9000 miles, a very
retrograde step.

The van we bought 2-1/2 years ago is now ?3000 dearer, needs twice the
servicing and has 10bhp extra....

We are now looking for a low-mileage used version of the existing van!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Thu Jun  7 07:43:31 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:43:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <3509.165.206.180.53.1181218447.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

  Ahead of their time in design??  You mean like the Pacer and the
Gremlin???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Gremlin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Pacer

BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!

Party on, Dude
http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/16/pf/autos/pacer_auction/
-- 
See ya,
Kelley



On 6/7/07 5:14 AM, "bill at antique-engines.com" <bill at antique-engines.com>
wrote:

> Because my AMCs will outlast his Jag.............. how many of those will
> be around in 37 years (my Jav with 350 hp), or even 27 years (the Eagles,
> rust-free) and can still buy off-the-shelf parts for them from Jeep
> dealers.
> 
> So they were 20+ years ahead of their time, and most of what Chrysler did
> in the 90's, even through to today, was already on the AMC tables when
> they took over. The Magnum engines, for example, the "cab-forward" design,
> etc., all AMC designs. One of the main reasons for the take-over was
> Chrysler needed ideas, wasn't able to come up with anything really new, so
> they bought AMC for their ideas, designs and technology, much of which has
> been released over the last decade. AMC designers worked on Jeep and Dodge
> truck designs for years after '87.
> Much of what AMC had in the design room was too far ahead of time and
> consumers wouldn't buy it back then, but will now.
> 
> Compare their ideas and designs of the 70's/80's to today's cars - and see
> how many matches you can find.  Do some patent searches.......
> 
>> But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
>> --
>> Kelley
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>>>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>>> Bil
>>> 
>>> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would
>>> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>>>          Dave
>>> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 08:49:08 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
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Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end. There
is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!
Com'on, look at their profiles! No one can sit straight-faced and tell me
many of the current cars didn't take some of their design and appearance
from the 70's, many from the very popular Gremlin and Hornet designs,
which was one of the most successful body styles in history.
And the Pacer? What about Taurus and the full-sized Chevy wagon  - talk
about "bubble cars".  The  Pacer didn't go well because GM didn't follow
through on their rotary engine, and AMC had to go back to the drawing
board and shoe-horn in a long I6.
Interesting also is the fact that AMC of that era are the most popular
demolition derby cars because as the demo-derby folks say, they hold up
better! Interesting....... check out the demo-derby sites/forums.
The AMC I6 was the most successful 6 cylinder engine design as well. Look
at how many engines were based on the basic design. the 199, 232, 258 and
ever-popular 242 (4.0 liter) Jeep engine.
That engine was only recently retired due to issues with the stuff that
had been used to make that engine - the tooling and such was worn out and
it was too expensive to re-do it when they were attempting to also put out
newer designs. Otherwise, it would probably still be going strong.
Few 6's were so strong or lasted so long. Jeepers love 'em, hard to kill
them.

Vehicles very much like the Gremlin and Eagle are selling well today.
And Gremlins are actually "chick magnets" out east. Young fellows say the
girls think they are "cool".
A Gremlin was the national wheel-standing championship winner a few years
back.

Oh - beware of the so-called "wikipedia" as we have found nearly as much
mis-information in that thing as fact. And we've got documents to prove
it.
(plus the word of some of the original designers, etc.)

We've also found them to be factually inaccurate in a lot of non-auto
related things, too. Well, when you allow anyone and their cousin with a
2nd grade education to put in "facts" in that thing, well....... too few
question it.

With a little time, I may be able to get you some solid examples of where
their "facts" are far from that.

Intrepid, Stratus, etc. are all pretty much AMC designs yet kept Chrysler
alive for a little longer.

If they had the cash needed, the AMX3 would have been one of the hottest
cars ever. Very advanced designs for the times, and there were two
companies over-seas clamoring for the rights to build them for Eurpoean
sales.
I know a fellow who just bought one of the original prototypes. A couple
still exist.

How about the AMC TransAm wins with the Javelin?

The "gas crisis" of the 70's dealt them a heavy blow as did the death of
the president of Renault.

>   Ahead of their time in design??  You mean like the Pacer and the
> Gremlin???
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Gremlin
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Pacer
>
> BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!
>
> Party on, Dude
> http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/16/pf/autos/pacer_auction/
> --
> See ya,
> Kelley
>
>
>
> On 6/7/07 5:14 AM, "bill at antique-engines.com" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Because my AMCs will outlast his Jag.............. how many of those
>> will
>> be around in 37 years (my Jav with 350 hp), or even 27 years (the
>> Eagles,
>> rust-free) and can still buy off-the-shelf parts for them from Jeep
>> dealers.
>>
>> So they were 20+ years ahead of their time, and most of what Chrysler
>> did
>> in the 90's, even through to today, was already on the AMC tables when
>> they took over. The Magnum engines, for example, the "cab-forward"
>> design,
>> etc., all AMC designs. One of the main reasons for the take-over was
>> Chrysler needed ideas, wasn't able to come up with anything really new,
>> so
>> they bought AMC for their ideas, designs and technology, much of which
>> has
>> been released over the last decade. AMC designers worked on Jeep and
>> Dodge
>> truck designs for years after '87.
>> Much of what AMC had in the design room was too far ahead of time and
>> consumers wouldn't buy it back then, but will now.
>>
>> Compare their ideas and designs of the 70's/80's to today's cars - and
>> see
>> how many matches you can find.  Do some patent searches.......
>>
>>> But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
>>> --
>>> Kelley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle,
>>>>> the
>>>>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>>>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>>>> Bil
>>>>
>>>> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and
>>>> would
>>>> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>>>>          Dave
>>>> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jun  7 09:45:58 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:45:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <4394.165.206.180.53.1181231348.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
References: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
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Methinks he doth protest too much....

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end. There
> is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jun  7 08:58:47 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:58:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
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On Jun 7, 2007, at 7:43 AM, Kelley Garcia wrote:

>   Ahead of their time in design??  You mean like the Pacer and the
> Gremlin???
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Gremlin
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Pacer
>
> BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!
>
> Party on, Dude
> http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/16/pf/autos/pacer_auction/
> -- 
> See ya,
> Kelley


Come on, now!  Give him back his balls and play nice.






From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 09:09:33 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:09:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
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Yes - how many years was it before other car companies started
mass-producing 4x4 cars?

>From an Italian 4x4 web site:

American Motors introduced the innovative Eagle for the 1980 model year.
This was the world's first complete line (sedan, coupe, and station wagon)
of permanent automatic all-wheel drive passenger models. The new Eagles
combined Jeep technology with an existing and proven AMC passenger car
platform. They ushered a whole new product category of "sport-utility" or
Crossover SUV. AMC's Eagles came with the comfort and high level
appointments expected of regular passenger models and used the off-road
technology for an extra margin of safety and traction.

The Eagle's thick viscous fluid central differential provided quiet and
smooth transfer of power that was directed proportionally to the axle with
the greatest traction. This was a true full-time system operating only in
four-wheel drive without undue wear on suspension or driveline components.
There was no low range in the transfer case. This became the forerunner of
the designs that followed from other manufacturers. The automobile press
at the time tested the traction of the Eagles and described it as far
superior to the Subaru's and that it could beat many so-called off-road
vehicles. Four Wheeler magazine concluded that the AMC Eagle was "The
beginning of a new generation of cars."

The Eagles were popular (particularly in the snowbelt), had towing
capacity, and came in several equipment levels including sport and luxury
trims. Two additional models were added in 1981, the sub-compact SX/4 and
Kammback. A manual transmission and a front axle-disconnect feature were
also made available for greater fuel economy. During 1981 and 1982 a
unique convertible was added to the line. The Eagle's monocoque body was
reinforced for the conversion and had a steel targa bar with a removable
fiberglass roof section.
------------------------------------------
>From AMC historians:
AMC's chief Jeep engineer, Roy C. Lunn, began tinkering with a car based
four wheel drive set-up during 1972 3 years prior to Subaru's introduction
of its simplistic part-time 4wd system in 1975. Mr. Lunn felt that if
anyone was going to market a true full-time 4WD car it should be AMC who
had purchased Jeep in 1970. Contrary to what many believe, Mr. Lunn did
not intend to use much of the Jeep 4WD technology of the time in a car as
he felt it lacked the refinement needed for automotive use. In 1972 AMC's
Jeep Engineering department modified a 1972 Hornet into a all-wheel drive
car utilizing a specially contstructed "QT 1" straight thur drive transfer
case; a frame mounted Warner Gear Front axle; and Dana constant velocity
drive shafts. The finished prototype proved successful during subsequent
testing. However, gasoline shortages of the time precluded putting the car
into production (the whereabouts of this prototype is unknown). Retired
AMC chairman Gerry Meyers adds what his thoughts were when the prototype
was shown to AMC execs, "Our initial reaction to Lunn's concoction was,
'What the hell is it?"

In December 1976 and January 1977 the idea was revisited with the advent
of the viscous coupled transfer case recently developed by British based
FF Development. In February of 1977 a 1977 Hornet was shipped to England
to be reengineerd into a full-time four wheel drive car. Total development
cost for this (less the price of the car) was only $34,000! The finished
car was returned to the U.S. on June 15th of 1977. The production project
proposal to AMC execs was in their hands only two weeks later with
production scheduled to begin at the beginning of the 1980 model year.

Meyers, went on to say this took place in 1978, "After the Pacer, we were
looking for something fresh and cheap to produce. We had given up on
automobiles, and all of our creative efforts were focused on Jeep. So Dick
Teague [AMC design chief] took Lunn's 4WD car into the studio to improve
the cosmetics by adding plastic skirts around the wheel wells. With the
appearance issue solved, producing the Eagle was a no-brainer. We were so
hungry for something different that we didn't bother with market
research,"

Myers continues. "It was, for all intents, a no-cost experiment (AMC
needed to only sell 15,000 Eagles to recoup all develompent costs) that
began with three Concord body styles in 1980 and continued with two more
Spirit-based models in 1981. Sales were sufficient to make us glad we
built the Eagles, and our dealers -- especially those in Colorado and New
England -- were thrilled to have these unique products."

Lunn intitially chose the New Process (later New Venture) model 119
transfer case whose limited-slip function was provided by a viscous
coupling. This silicone-filled device provided controlled slippage for
smooth, dry-pavement cornering with the automatic locking necessary for
low-traction conditions. Lunn's other special feature was the Eagle's
independent front suspension, achieved by mounting the front differential
to the engine block and providing drive to the wheels via universal joints
and half shafts.

When the Eagle was introduced to the press this observation was made by
Popular Science writer Ed Jacobs in a 1979 article from the same magazine
wrote, " This new flock of off-road vehicles is designed for people who
want the all weather traction and safety of four wheel drives, but don't
like the truck-like four wheelers currently on the market. They ride about
as comfortably and handle about as well as any other cars their size on
the road. Off road they behave more like mountan goats as do their truck
like Jeep cousins."

AMC also owned a successful plastics division (I believe they sold to
Shell) and Wheel Horse products which sold to Toro. AM General was sold to
GM.

And if they are not popular, why are many companies getting BACK into
producing parts for these cars? I can buy NEW replacement parts for a
number of AMC cars now. Their auction prices are climbing quickly.
Ford and Chevy guys are now starting to buy them up. (making it harder for
US to get them) Reasons being "cool body styles" "solid designs" "clean
lines", etc.
Magazines of the times called the Javelin lines "cleaner, crisper and less
cluttered than Mustang".
Do take another look at some of the modern SUVs and it's pretty easy to
see where the styles came from. check out the names, too! Come on, Rogue,
SX4, Hornet, get real!

>   Ahead of their time in design??  You mean like the Pacer and the
> Gremlin???
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Gremlin
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Pacer
>
> BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!
>
> Party on, Dude
> http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/16/pf/autos/pacer_auction/
> --
> See ya,
> Kelley
>
>
>
> On 6/7/07 5:14 AM, "bill at antique-engines.com" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Because my AMCs will outlast his Jag.............. how many of those
>> will
>> be around in 37 years (my Jav with 350 hp), or even 27 years (the
>> Eagles,
>> rust-free) and can still buy off-the-shelf parts for them from Jeep
>> dealers.
>>
>> So they were 20+ years ahead of their time, and most of what Chrysler
>> did
>> in the 90's, even through to today, was already on the AMC tables when
>> they took over. The Magnum engines, for example, the "cab-forward"
>> design,
>> etc., all AMC designs. One of the main reasons for the take-over was
>> Chrysler needed ideas, wasn't able to come up with anything really new,
>> so
>> they bought AMC for their ideas, designs and technology, much of which
>> has
>> been released over the last decade. AMC designers worked on Jeep and
>> Dodge
>> truck designs for years after '87.
>> Much of what AMC had in the design room was too far ahead of time and
>> consumers wouldn't buy it back then, but will now.
>>
>> Compare their ideas and designs of the 70's/80's to today's cars - and
>> see
>> how many matches you can find.  Do some patent searches.......
>>
>>> But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
>>> --
>>> Kelley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle,
>>>>> the
>>>>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>>>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>>>> Bil
>>>>
>>>> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and
>>>> would
>>>> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>>>>          Dave
>>>> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>>>>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 09:10:42 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:10:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706071245240.95074@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<4394.165.206.180.53.1181231348.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706071245240.95074@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4466.165.206.180.53.1181232642.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

It's just hard to get past old prejudgices........... and people who got
their facts from people who had no clue..


> Methinks he doth protest too much....
>
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>
>> Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end.
>> There
>> is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!
>
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Thu Jun  7 09:10:52 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:10:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <4394.165.206.180.53.1181231348.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <C28D7C1C.1C3AD%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Oh Bill, I couldn't continue reading your email - the tears in my eyes are
blurring my vision!
I really lost it after this bit
> Vehicles very much like the Gremlin and Eagle are selling well today.
> And Gremlins are actually "chick magnets" out east. Young fellows say the
> girls think they are "cool".

Must have something to do with their slogan
?You only ride like a Pacer if you?re wide like a Pacer?
http://www.sportscarmarket.com/affordable-classics/2005-January/1975-1980-am
c-pacer.html

BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!
Thank you for my morning funnies!
-- 
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, Ka.
USA



On 6/7/07 8:49 AM, "bill at antique-engines.com" <bill at antique-engines.com>
wrote:

> Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end. There
> is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!
> Com'on, look at their profiles! No one can sit straight-faced and tell me
> many of the current cars didn't take some of their design and appearance
> from the 70's, many from the very popular Gremlin and Hornet designs,
> which was one of the most successful body styles in history.
> And the Pacer? What about Taurus and the full-sized Chevy wagon  - talk
> about "bubble cars".  The  Pacer didn't go well because GM didn't follow
> through on their rotary engine, and AMC had to go back to the drawing
> board and shoe-horn in a long I6.
> Interesting also is the fact that AMC of that era are the most popular
> demolition derby cars because as the demo-derby folks say, they hold up
> better! Interesting....... check out the demo-derby sites/forums.
> The AMC I6 was the most successful 6 cylinder engine design as well. Look
> at how many engines were based on the basic design. the 199, 232, 258 and
> ever-popular 242 (4.0 liter) Jeep engine.
> That engine was only recently retired due to issues with the stuff that
> had been used to make that engine - the tooling and such was worn out and
> it was too expensive to re-do it when they were attempting to also put out
> newer designs. Otherwise, it would probably still be going strong.
> Few 6's were so strong or lasted so long. Jeepers love 'em, hard to kill
> them.
> 
> Vehicles very much like the Gremlin and Eagle are selling well today.
> And Gremlins are actually "chick magnets" out east. Young fellows say the
> girls think they are "cool".
> A Gremlin was the national wheel-standing championship winner a few years
> back.
> 
> Oh - beware of the so-called "wikipedia" as we have found nearly as much
> mis-information in that thing as fact. And we've got documents to prove
> it.
> (plus the word of some of the original designers, etc.)
> 
> We've also found them to be factually inaccurate in a lot of non-auto
> related things, too. Well, when you allow anyone and their cousin with a
> 2nd grade education to put in "facts" in that thing, well....... too few
> question it.
> 
> With a little time, I may be able to get you some solid examples of where
> their "facts" are far from that.
> 
> Intrepid, Stratus, etc. are all pretty much AMC designs yet kept Chrysler
> alive for a little longer.
> 
> If they had the cash needed, the AMX3 would have been one of the hottest
> cars ever. Very advanced designs for the times, and there were two
> companies over-seas clamoring for the rights to build them for Eurpoean
> sales.
> I know a fellow who just bought one of the original prototypes. A couple
> still exist.
> 
> How about the AMC TransAm wins with the Javelin?
> 
> The "gas crisis" of the 70's dealt them a heavy blow as did the death of
> the president of Renault.
> 
>>   Ahead of their time in design??  You mean like the Pacer and the
>> Gremlin???
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Gremlin
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Pacer
>> 
>> BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!
>> 
>> Party on, Dude
>> http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/16/pf/autos/pacer_auction/
>> --
>> See ya,
>> Kelley
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/7/07 5:14 AM, "bill at antique-engines.com" <bill at antique-engines.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Because my AMCs will outlast his Jag.............. how many of those
>>> will
>>> be around in 37 years (my Jav with 350 hp), or even 27 years (the
>>> Eagles,
>>> rust-free) and can still buy off-the-shelf parts for them from Jeep
>>> dealers.
>>> 
>>> So they were 20+ years ahead of their time, and most of what Chrysler
>>> did
>>> in the 90's, even through to today, was already on the AMC tables when
>>> they took over. The Magnum engines, for example, the "cab-forward"
>>> design,
>>> etc., all AMC designs. One of the main reasons for the take-over was
>>> Chrysler needed ideas, wasn't able to come up with anything really new,
>>> so
>>> they bought AMC for their ideas, designs and technology, much of which
>>> has
>>> been released over the last decade. AMC designers worked on Jeep and
>>> Dodge
>>> truck designs for years after '87.
>>> Much of what AMC had in the design room was too far ahead of time and
>>> consumers wouldn't buy it back then, but will now.
>>> 
>>> Compare their ideas and designs of the 70's/80's to today's cars - and
>>> see
>>> how many matches you can find.  Do some patent searches.......
>>> 
>>>> But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
>>>> --
>>>> Kelley
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>>>>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>>>>> Bil
>>>>> 
>>>>> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and
>>>>> would
>>>>> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>>>>>          Dave
>>>>> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jun  7 11:03:43 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:03:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <C28D7C1C.1C3AD%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <C28D7C1C.1C3AD%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706071345520.95074@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hey Kelley,

That Pacer article has a hot blond chick checking out the car pretty hard.
"Hot" that is if you can get past the dead muskrat wrapped around her
neck.

I must confess that this "Gremlin as chick magnet" concept intrigued me.

A quick Google search turned up an interesting hit with that claim.  The
website is that of Dennis the Peasant, which opens with "The experts
describe Dennis as an appallingly dull fellow; unimaginative, timid,
spineless, easily dominated, no sense of humor, tedious company and
irrepressibly drab and awful."

The other hits went downhill from there.  I really don't quite know what
to do with that info....

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:

> Oh Bill, I couldn't continue reading your email - the tears in my eyes are
> blurring my vision!
> I really lost it after this bit
> > Vehicles very much like the Gremlin and Eagle are selling well today.
> > And Gremlins are actually "chick magnets" out east. Young fellows say the
> > girls think they are "cool".
>
> Must have something to do with their slogan
> You only ride like a Pacer if you're wide like a Pacer?
> http://www.sportscarmarket.com/affordable-classics/2005-January/1975-1980-am
> c-pacer.html




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 11:48:34 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:48:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <4459.165.206.180.53.1181232573.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
References: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<4459.165.206.180.53.1181232573.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706071148s27061734g557073631cd1c4ff@mail.gmail.com>

On 07/06/07, bill at antique-engines.com <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:

> In December 1976 and January 1977 the idea was revisited with the advent
> of the viscous coupled transfer case recently developed by British based
> FF Development.

'Ferguson Formula' was the FF company, they supplied Jensen with the
transmission for the Interceptor, a very nice car which had the
Chrysler engine in it if my memory serves me correctly. That had
permanent FWD and Dunlop Maxaret anti-skid brakes, one of the earliest
applications for the ABS technology.

The Range Rover was also on the stocks in the early 1970's, V8 engine
and permanent four wheel drive. You can still buy them today, although
owned by Ford these days.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 12:03:25 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:03:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160706071148s27061734g557073631cd1c4ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<4459.165.206.180.53.1181232573.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<6f6025160706071148s27061734g557073631cd1c4ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1097.165.206.180.53.1181243005.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

We're actually seeing quite a few Rovers around here lately.
Jeeps are still by far the #1 4x4 in this area, no other is even close in
numbers.

Funny, Ford, GM, etc. seem to need to own chunks of all these non-US
companies, what are they trying to do, drag them down with them? ;-)

Thanks for the extra information!!


> On 07/06/07, bill at antique-engines.com <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:
>
>> In December 1976 and January 1977 the idea was revisited with the advent
>> of the viscous coupled transfer case recently developed by British based
>> FF Development.
>
> 'Ferguson Formula' was the FF company, they supplied Jensen with the
> transmission for the Interceptor, a very nice car which had the
> Chrysler engine in it if my memory serves me correctly. That had
> permanent FWD and Dunlop Maxaret anti-skid brakes, one of the earliest
> applications for the ABS technology.
>
> The Range Rover was also on the stocks in the early 1970's, V8 engine
> and permanent four wheel drive. You can still buy them today, although
> owned by Ford these days.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Jun  7 17:10:36 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:10:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <3489.165.206.180.53.1181218025.squirrel@www.antique-engine s.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<ED52BA0E-71E5-4A5F-B27E-0C81CC258AFF@rustyiron.com>
	<0JJ800HEFRV4JEUI@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<3489.165.206.180.53.1181218025.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <0JJA00GW4J6QF4E9@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

It's a process called 
transesterification. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transesterification  I know you don't 
like Wikipedia, but this topic is correct from all that I see 
(although I'm no chemist).

The addition of methanol and lye produce the reaction and create 
biodiesel.  Basically it turns the thick oil into a thin liquid of 
about the same consistency as diesel fuel, that will run in ANY 
diesel engine without modifications.  Although cars older than the 
early 90's will probably have natural rubber fuel lines that will 
need to be replaced with newer synthetic hoses.  Biodiesel will eat 
through natural rubber in short order.  You also should remove your 
fuel tank and clean it out REALLY good, because if you don't, the 
biodiesel will clean it out FOR you, leading to clogged fuel filters 
and all kinds of fun.  Biodiesel is an excellent solvent (I want to 
see someone try it to unstick a piston in an old engine).

Vegetable oil works perfectly well without putting it through the 
above process, but you have to filter it well and make sure all 
moisture is removed before using it.  Most guys will run a heater 
hose back to their veggie oil tank with some kind of heat-exchanger 
to heat the fuel (usually just wrapping it around the tank a few 
times).  The engines are started and warmed up on regular 
diesel.  Once the engine is warm and the coolant has heated the 
veggie oil, it is switched over.

I'll most likely have to have a similar setup with my waste oil 
burner.  I'll probably go with some type of in-tank heater.  One that 
can be wired to operate with the block heater circuit, as well as 
running off the car's 12 volt supply while driving.

-Tony


At 07:07 AM 6/7/2007, you wrote:
>I thought I heard a local fellow here ran his McDonalds grease through
>some sort of a still or something?




From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Jun  7 17:26:00 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:26:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <4394.165.206.180.53.1181231348.squirrel@www.antique-engine s.com>
References: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<4394.165.206.180.53.1181231348.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <0JJA004DKJWFCXEB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

At 10:49 AM 6/7/2007, you wrote:
>Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end. There
>is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!
>Com'on, look at their profiles! No one can sit straight-faced and tell me
>many of the current cars didn't take some of their design and appearance
>from the 70's, many from the very popular Gremlin and Hornet designs,
>which was one of the most successful body styles in history.

I think I'd rather have a Gremlin or Pacer than some of the fugly 
ca-ca they are making these days.  Chevy Avalanche, Pontiac Aztec, etc.

Not to mention ALL the mid-size SUV's made by ANY manufaturer.  Ever 
seen one of those Scion's that looks like a brick on wheels?  Or the 
Honda Element or Pilot?  How about Dodge's new Nitro (or the 
re-design on the Durango, for that matter)

Who comes up with all this ugly crap? I drive a 2004 Silverado and 
even I think the front end is ugly.  Only reason I bought it was 
because my father in law was selling it CHEAP and it has really low 
mileage.  The last good looking Chevy truck was made in 1987.



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 19:58:51 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:58:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <0JJA004DKJWFCXEB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <000501c7a978$f89b85a0$f000a8c0@sheeba>

Amen.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony & Jackie [mailto:kimmell at verizon.net] 
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:26 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs

At 10:49 AM 6/7/2007, you wrote:
>Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end. 
>There is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!
>Com'on, look at their profiles! No one can sit straight-faced and tell 
>me many of the current cars didn't take some of their design and 
>appearance from the 70's, many from the very popular Gremlin and Hornet 
>designs, which was one of the most successful body styles in history.

I think I'd rather have a Gremlin or Pacer than some of the fugly ca-ca they
are making these days.  Chevy Avalanche, Pontiac Aztec, etc.

Not to mention ALL the mid-size SUV's made by ANY manufaturer.  Ever seen
one of those Scion's that looks like a brick on wheels?  Or the Honda
Element or Pilot?  How about Dodge's new Nitro (or the re-design on the
Durango, for that matter)

Who comes up with all this ugly crap? I drive a 2004 Silverado and even I
think the front end is ugly.  Only reason I bought it was because my father
in law was selling it CHEAP and it has really low mileage.  The last good
looking Chevy truck was made in 1987.

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From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Thu Jun  7 20:15:06 2007
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:15:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ronnie N 3 hp
Message-ID: <000701c7a97b$3b53fce0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6>

I am looking for a Ronnie N 3hp to restore. I need it to be complete and in 
relative distance to Ipswich.

Also I'm looking for user manual for 32volt light set-up. I have Delco ones, 
but looking for Oz ones, eg Davey, Forbes, R&T

Thanks
Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
MS 126
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD  4307

Ph 07 54671541
Skype - snk1950

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
Proverbs 27:19 



From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  8 01:20:02 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 01:20:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stolen Pages - Final
In-Reply-To: <000701c7a97b$3b53fce0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6>
Message-ID: <135242.92347.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


G'Day All
Two weeks ago I reported a thief had had stolen three
SEL members web pages along with other sites.
The stolen material was part of a MSM group, I
reported the event to MSM and today was informed by
Microsoft Copy write group that the page has been
disabled.
Waiting to meet B Erickson in person :-((

Kerry

Lithgow NSW Oz


       
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jun  8 04:37:10 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:37:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Stolen Pages - Final
References: <135242.92347.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c7a9c1$5a6354f0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Kerry
I also contact MSN about three days ago and complained on your behalf, and 
Rob and Patrick.
Good result mate.

Peter, Oz



>
> G'Day All
> Two weeks ago I reported a thief had had stolen three
> SEL members web pages along with other sites.
> The stolen material was part of a MSM group, I
> reported the event to MSM and today was informed by
> Microsoft Copy write group that the page has been
> disabled.
> Waiting to meet B Erickson in person :-((
>
> Kerry
>
> Lithgow NSW Oz
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all 
> the tools to get online.
> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jun  8 04:48:44 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 04:48:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stolen Pages - Final
In-Reply-To: <135242.92347.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <135242.92347.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2939.165.206.180.53.1181303324.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Good job!

>
> G'Day All
> Two weeks ago I reported a thief had had stolen three
> SEL members web pages along with other sites.
> The stolen material was part of a MSM group, I
> reported the event to MSM and today was informed by
> Microsoft Copy write group that the page has been
> disabled.
> Waiting to meet B Erickson in person :-((
>
> Kerry
>
> Lithgow NSW Oz
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all
> the tools to get online.
> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jun  8 10:20:41 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:20:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Date Question
Message-ID: <46698FE9.7030507@scrtc.com>

OK IHC guys, I have a friend who is looking for info on a 15 HP.  Here 
is an email he sent me and if anyone can provide some info, I'll pass it 
on to him:

Who is a good contact for dating IHC's? Looking to identify a 15hp  
Famous tagged C-248.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Jun  8 14:55:14 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:55:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Date Question
Message-ID: <380-22007658215514386@coastalnet.com>

Tommy,

>From the list that I have, C-248 belongs to a 6 HP engine,
or perhaps it is an earlier one than shown on the list for the 
15 HP Tank Cooled which starts at C-303
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-2-a.jpg

Ken



> [Original Message]
> From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/8/2007 1:22:38 PM
> Subject: [SEL] IHC Date Question
>
> OK IHC guys, I have a friend who is looking for info on a 15 HP.  Here 
> is an email he sent me and if anyone can provide some info, I'll pass it 
> on to him:
>
> Who is a good contact for dating IHC's? Looking to identify a 15hp  
> Famous tagged C-248.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jun  8 16:01:08 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:01:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Date Question
In-Reply-To: <380-22007658215514386@coastalnet.com>
References: <380-22007658215514386@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <4669DFB4.609@scrtc.com>

Thanks Ken.  Not sure what he's got as it doesn't appear the numbers are 
matching up. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Tommy,
>
>>From the list that I have, C-248 belongs to a 6 HP engine,
>or perhaps it is an earlier one than shown on the list for the 
>15 HP Tank Cooled which starts at C-303
>http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-2-a.jpg
>
>Ken
>
>
>
>  
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Date: 6/8/2007 1:22:38 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] IHC Date Question
>>
>>OK IHC guys, I have a friend who is looking for info on a 15 HP.  Here 
>>is an email he sent me and if anyone can provide some info, I'll pass it 
>>on to him:
>>
>>Who is a good contact for dating IHC's? Looking to identify a 15hp  
>>Famous tagged C-248.
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>    
>>



From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jun  8 16:12:38 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 09:12:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ronnie N 3 hp
In-Reply-To: <000701c7a97b$3b53fce0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6>
References: <000701c7a97b$3b53fce0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070609090430.01b34ce8@ncable.com.au>

Steve there are always Ronnie N's poping up on Aussie ebay. here's 
one now: 
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140126769097&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1 
A little far from you but could be worth investigating.
Keep an eye on ebay and you will pick one up pretty quick.
Russell

At 01:15 PM 8/06/2007, you wrote:
>I am looking for a Ronnie N 3hp to restore. I need it to be complete and in
>relative distance to Ipswich.
>
>Also I'm looking for user manual for 32volt light set-up. I have Delco ones,
>but looking for Oz ones, eg Davey, Forbes, R&T
>
>Thanks
>Steve
>
>Steve and Denise Kitto
>MS 126
>95 Coleyville Road
>Mutdapilly  QLD  4307
>
>Ph 07 54671541
>Skype - snk1950
>
>As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
>Proverbs 27:19
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Jun  8 17:29:07 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:29:07 EDT
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Check out SpeedTrap Exchange (OT)
Message-ID: <c37.145e1b5b.339b4e53@aol.com>

Hi List,
Since so many of us will be traveling, I thought that this site  might be of 
interest to those who are driving.
    _http://www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.asp  


_ (http://www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.asp) 

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jun  8 17:30:00 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:30:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stolen Pages - Final
Message-ID: <20070609003017.637969E7C62@mx-in01.iad.mail-abuse.org>

thanks, mate!

-----Original Message-----

G'Day All
Two weeks ago I reported a thief had had stolen three
SEL members web pages along with other sites.
The stolen material was part of a MSM group, I
reported the event to MSM and today was informed by
Microsoft Copy write group that the page has been
disabled.
Waiting to meet B Erickson in person :-((

Kerry

Lithgow NSW Oz




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jun  8 18:57:07 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:57:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral register
Message-ID: <20070609015714.ILYP20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I am starting to sort out all of the excellent material that Peter had
compiled for the register (what else to do on a stormy weekend). I intend to
put some of the material on my website to make it easily accessible to
collectors. The question is: what sort of information would people like to
see? I will probably not publish the entire register online as it changes
too frequently to keep up and I am also wary of the amount of online piracy
lately (people stealing images and data from websites and calling it their
own). I am hoping to eventually be able to produce the register as a PDF
that could be emailed to people to save postage and printing costs. Always
so much to do and so little time.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jun  8 19:46:01 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:46:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
Message-ID: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi guys

Who is going to the National Rally at Biloela, QLD, sure is a long way 
further than I thought from my place.

It is around 900 kms and 9 1/2 hours drive from me and I guess if you have 
not booked accommodation now there will be none for 100 kms.
I know SWMBO will not camp, then again I could have left her at home until I 
mentioned it, now she wants to come too ;-)))))

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Fri Jun  8 23:09:08 2007
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 02:09:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
Message-ID: <be8.18e812ed.339b9e04@aol.com>

Gee pete your only around the corner, think of the boys from Perth coming 
over.
See you there.
Peter Woodmore. 
peterwoodmore at aol.com
Skype name Woadmere   



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jun  8 23:08:36 2007
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 15:38:36 +0930
Subject: [SEL] Austral register
References: <20070609015714.ILYP20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000601c7aa5c$9e0661c0$cb03af3a@chaos>

I have astral petrol engine No. 114545 2hp type N grafted into a lightburn 
cement mixer, i guess it is 1964 , by looking at that list..

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: [SEL] Austral register


>I am starting to sort out all of the excellent material that Peter had
> compiled for the register (what else to do on a stormy weekend). I intend 
> to
> put some of the material on my website to make it easily accessible to
> collectors. The question is: what sort of information would people like to
> 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jun  9 01:26:22 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:26:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
References: <be8.18e812ed.339b9e04@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c7aa6f$dd394c00$0601a8c0@altech>

Yeah I know, but my new R&V Vertical arrives in Sydney from sunny Kalifornia 
about then too, so not sure what is happening.
Getting time from work is a problem.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



> Gee pete your only around the corner, think of the boys from Perth coming
> over.
> See you there.
> Peter Woodmore.
> peterwoodmore at aol.com
> Skype name Woadmere
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Jun  9 03:42:20 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:42:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
References: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <002b01c7aa82$e2b59590$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

There are some coming from West Australia,not sure how many but at least 
some from The Old Machinery Club .They were the hosts when the National 
Rally was in Busselton in 1996.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally


> Hi guys
>
> Who is going to the National Rally at Biloela, QLD, sure is a long way
> further than I thought from my place.
>
> It is around 900 kms and 9 1/2 hours drive from me and I guess if you have
> not booked accommodation now there will be none for 100 kms.
> I know SWMBO will not camp, then again I could have left her at home until 
> I
> mentioned it, now she wants to come too ;-)))))
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jun  9 04:16:49 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:16:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT Birthday wish
Message-ID: <060920071116.25126.466A8C21000B8B2100006226219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

According to SKYPE a Certain Arnie Fero turned 38 yrs old today......Naaaah he 
is older then dirt!
Have a Happy Day Arnie!
Curt Andree


From michael.y at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jun  9 04:52:30 2007
From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:52:30 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Lister N date
Message-ID: <000e01c79230$d49b9500$0301a8c0@Young1203>

BlankHi guys/gals,

anybody have a clue what the made date is for a Lister N #48764  that I dragged home today.  It has the one piece head/cylinder and ML flick mag.  I figure around the mid to late teens but to be honest dont know any more 'bout these than my grandma does.

      
Michael Young
5 Beech Crescent
Orange  NSW  2800
AUSTRALIA
http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Jun  9 04:56:21 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:56:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Birthday wish
In-Reply-To: <060920071116.25126.466A8C21000B8B2100006226219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F218EBCE17D1503997A7E8095240@phx.gbl>

Happy Birthday Arnie,  I'll be at your big party at coolspring next week.... 
oops, was that a secret?  Steve


>From: cgandree at mchsi.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
>Subject: [SEL] OT Birthday wish
>Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:16:49 +0000
>
>According to SKYPE a Certain Arnie Fero turned 38 yrs old today......Naaaah 
>he
>is older then dirt!
>Have a Happy Day Arnie!
>Curt Andree
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

_________________________________________________________________
Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i?m Initiative now. 
It?s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jun  9 05:05:35 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:05:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister N date
References: <000e01c79230$d49b9500$0301a8c0@Young1203>
Message-ID: <000d01c7aa8e$7d738870$d4ee683a@Edd>

Hi Michael.My book says 1925.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Young" <michael.y at ozemail.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Lister N date


> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sat Jun  9 05:14:59 2007
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 08:14:59 EDT
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
Message-ID: <ca4.1148dc0e.339bf3c3@aol.com>

Patrick will look after it for you till after the rally


Peter Woodmore. 
peterwoodmore at aol.com
Skype name Woadmere   



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jun  9 08:03:48 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 01:03:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
References: <ca4.1148dc0e.339bf3c3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c7aaa7$629830f0$0601a8c0@altech>

Nah, he has more than he can handle now that he know the work in running an 
engine register ;-))

Peter, Oz




> Patrick will look after it for you till after the rally
>
>
> Peter Woodmore.
> peterwoodmore at aol.com
> Skype name Woadmere
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jun  9 08:12:56 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  9 Jun 2007 11:12:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Birthday wish
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F218EBCE17D1503997A7E8095240@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY144-F218EBCE17D1503997A7E8095240@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1181401976.466ac378ee3b8@webmail.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!  Don't believe everything you read on the 'net.  8-))
Party at Coolspring sounds GOOD though!

The weather this year is gonna be AWESOME!!!!!!  
Sadly, no bass fishing in the SEL engine area though...  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:

> Happy Birthday Arnie,  I'll be at your big party at coolspring next week....
> oops, was that a secret?  Steve
> 
> >From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> >
> >According to SKYPE a Certain Arnie Fero turned 38 yrs old today......Naaaah
> >he is older then dirt!
> >Have a Happy Day Arnie!
> >Curt Andree




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jun  9 08:37:18 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  9 Jun 2007 11:37:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Lister N date
In-Reply-To: <000e01c79230$d49b9500$0301a8c0@Young1203>
References: <000e01c79230$d49b9500$0301a8c0@Young1203>
Message-ID: <1181403438.466ac92ead412@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Michael,

Get yourself a copy of "Know Your Lister. Types H,J,K,L,M,N,P,Q,R."  Its an
excellent reference explaining everything you ever wanted to know about these
Listers.  You can get it locally in Oz from Plough Book Sales #001396 for
$20.50.  http://www.ploughbooksales.com.au/44.htm

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Michael Young <michael.y at ozemail.com.au>:

> anybody have a clue what the made date is for a Lister N #48764  that I
> dragged home today.  It has the one piece head/cylinder and ML flick mag.  I
> figure around the mid to late teens but to be honest dont know any more 'bout
> these than my grandma does.




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jun  9 10:39:52 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:39:52 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT Birthday wish
In-Reply-To: <060920071116.25126.466A8C21000B8B2100006226219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <060920071116.25126.466A8C21000B8B2100006226219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706091039ge595fb6y28a9056c00ff7036@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/06/07, cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:
> According to SKYPE a Certain Arnie Fero turned 38 yrs old today......Naaaah he
> is older then dirt!
> Have a Happy Day Arnie!
> Curt Andree

Happy Birthday, Arnie,  from us both in the UK!

Peter & Rita
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jun 10 01:17:17 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:17:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
In-Reply-To: <001801c7aaa7$629830f0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <20070610081759.NRCO20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

There is always room for one more R&V at my place :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Nah, he has more than he can handle now that he know the work in running an 
engine register ;-))

Peter, Oz




> Patrick will look after it for you till after the rally
>
>
> Peter Woodmore.
> peterwoodmore at aol.com
> Skype name Woadmere
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jun 10 03:22:55 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:22:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
References: <20070610081759.NRCO20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000e01c7ab49$4fc7e090$0601a8c0@altech>

I don't know what the attraction is Patrick, everyone has got one, they are 
like Moffat Virtues.
NOW, if we could get rid of a few the value might go up.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm






> There is always room for one more R&V at my place :)
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Nah, he has more than he can handle now that he know the work in running 
> an
> engine register ;-))
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>> Patrick will look after it for you till after the rally
>>
>>
>> Peter Woodmore.
>> peterwoodmore at aol.com
>> Skype name Woadmere
>>
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From michael.y at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jun 10 04:03:01 2007
From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:03:01 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Lister N date
References: <000e01c79230$d49b9500$0301a8c0@Young1203>
	<000d01c7aa8e$7d738870$d4ee683a@Edd>
Message-ID: <003d01c792f3$180a87c0$0301a8c0@Young1203>

Thanks Edd,

Michael
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister N date


> Hi Michael.My book says 1925.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Young" <michael.y at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:54 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Lister N date
> 
> 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jun 10 13:16:38 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:16:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com>
	<6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706101316x250e6136lb28d666d356f369c@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/06/07, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just been talking to our local Renault dealer about replacing our
> present van. It will be 3 yrs old in September, probably done
> 150,000miles or so and we are gradually reducing the van replacement
> time cycle so that we eventually run under the 3-year warranty.
>
> The 140hp 2.5 turbo engine is now 150hp, same size engine, but the
> other bits are much the same. Getting a quote tomorrow, delivery will
> be September anyway.
>
> Can't remember what Audi and BMW get out of their car diesels, but the
> 2.5litre Renault van engine is a real gem. I believe that we can get
> it upped to 220HP with a chip remapping, but likely that would hurt
> the reliability (and warranty!) Best one we have ever had in the UK so
> far.

Update on that new van: we have ordered it for 24th September
delivery, the same van from Vauxhall was December delivery, didn't
check on the Nissan version.

In case anyone is wondering, the Renault/Vauxhall/Nissan/Opel versions
of this vehicle are all made at the GM Vauxhall factory for the UK
market only. The Opels are exported to Europe.

Price with taxes and discount is a little under $US40,000 so it isn't
just petrol that is expensive over here!  That is a fairly well spec'd
vehicle and includes 150bhp engine, aircon, CD Stereo, electric
windows and mirrors, tinted glass, cab bulkhead, towbar and electrics
and tachograph (required when towing a trailer commercially)

We are keeping the original Renault van and getting rid of the smaller
Vauxhall Astravan which is just over 4 years old now and has covered
just over 100K miles..

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sun Jun 10 21:15:55 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:15:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
In-Reply-To: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <466CCC7B.4070107@steamengine.com.au>

I've been contemplating it, but the 2000km there and back puts me off a 
bit - that and I'd have to be just a "public" visitor since I've packed 
in my club (not going into reasons). I could camp outside on the road 
with Reg :).

Paul

Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi guys
>
> Who is going to the National Rally at Biloela, QLD, sure is a long way 
> further than I thought from my place.
>
>   



From astfgl at iamnota.org  Mon Jun 11 04:53:32 2007
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:53:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
In-Reply-To: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <466D37BC.2060302@iamnota.org>

I'm about the same distance and I'm *IN* Queensland! Anyone coming from 
further north than Townsville?

Lucky for us someone is only staying the Friday night, so we have a place for 
the next two nights.

Oh, and here's a tip - instead of following the A3 down from Rocky through Mt 
Morgan, an annoyingly steep and windy road, you can hook out west along the A4 
and turn south on the A5. Slightly longer, but better.

Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi guys
> 
> Who is going to the National Rally at Biloela, QLD, sure is a long way 
> further than I thought from my place.


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun 11 04:59:18 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:59:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
References: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<466CCC7B.4070107@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <013d01c7ac1f$f96dba30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I am giving it a miss too. These events dont have the 'feel' that Portland 
and Baraboo do. Ive been to the best, and the effort and cost involved to 
attend is more than I feel like doing this time.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally


> I've been contemplating it, but the 2000km there and back puts me off a
> bit - that and I'd have to be just a "public" visitor since I've packed
> in my club (not going into reasons). I could camp outside on the road
> with Reg :).
>
> Paul
>
> Peter Lowe wrote:
>> Hi guys
>>
>> Who is going to the National Rally at Biloela, QLD, sure is a long way
>> further than I thought from my place.
>>
>>
>
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 11 09:26:26 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:26:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tachograph
Message-ID: <BAY127-F24F3340A8AD8ED280DED33CB1A0@phx.gbl>

"...and tachograph (required when towing a trailer commercially)"


Awrighty - what's a tachograph?  I can imagine, but would rather hear it 
from you so I understand it.


Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted 
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
thereafter."
E. Hemingway

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 11:05:08 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:05:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Tachograph
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F24F3340A8AD8ED280DED33CB1A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-F24F3340A8AD8ED280DED33CB1A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706111105p3864f607tbfa99545b647cc77@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/06/07, Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> "...and tachograph (required when towing a trailer commercially)"
>
>
> Awrighty - what's a tachograph?  I can imagine, but would rather hear it
> from you so I understand it.
>
>
> Bruce Younger

Records speed and distance travelled, also which one of two possible drivers.

The existing van has a car radio-sized Kienzle tacho with recording
disc, a treated paper disc which the machine writes to physically when
you are travelling. These are not so good in a prang as the pens come
off the disc surface when subjected to hi G-forces in an accident.

The previous can had the standard 5" tacho in place of the speedo and
was cable driven, all the new ones are electronic.

The new digital tacho's take a credit-card sized memory card which the
data is written to.

I don't have all the info yet, but apparently we have to register
somewhere to get one of the new cards, and they have to be kept for so
many years....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Jun 11 11:07:53 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:07:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tachograph
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F24F3340A8AD8ED280DED33CB1A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-F24F3340A8AD8ED280DED33CB1A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <466D8F79.1050602@telenet.net>

tachograph: AKA "tattletale", "Big Brother" and some names not fit for 
print. The OLD units were just a paper chart machine that recorded the 
speed and RPM levels of the rig while you were driving. Some also were 
the speedometer in the unit and were mounted on the dash. Others were 
mounted out of the way and didn't have an external speed display. They 
were a locked unit and the key was held by a "trusted" employee of the 
company. They would unlock the unit, remove the chart and spray it with 
a lacquer spray and file it away for the big boss to look at.

The next generation used a paper tape so they didn't need to be changed 
as often.

Then came the semi electronic units that stored the information on 
special tapes.

Then the memory recorders that used GPS information.

The current version is built into the trucks on board computer system 
and records a LOT of information. From speed, rpm range, gear usage, 
brake applications, and idle time, to last service and amount of time 
stopped and when.

Then if you REALLY want them to watch over you get a job with an outfit 
that uses SatLink gear. With it they can tell all the above in real 
time, AND as a bonus they have two way communication with you.


Bruce Younger wrote:
> "...and tachograph (required when towing a trailer commercially)"
> 
> 
> Awrighty - what's a tachograph?  I can imagine, but would rather hear it 
> from you so I understand it.
> 
> 
> Bruce Younger
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
> Madison, SD
> sluggo54 at hotmail.com
> 
> "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted 
> armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
> thereafter."
> E. Hemingway
> 


-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York
NRA Member
Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
he'd have become a vegan.


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Jun 11 13:28:21 2007
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:28:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net><1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech><0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net><8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com><6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com><6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160706101316x250e6136lb28d666d356f369c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002201c7ac67$0fe19740$9384e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Peter ,
            Your van must be rated at over 3.5 tons as a van that is rated 
up to this weight does not need a tacho when pulling trailers commercially 
or not . The firm that I subcontract to has vans rated at 4.5 tons that came 
with a tacho as standard , they got them down rated to 3.5 tons and they 
need a tacho when towing anything
Craig in Scotland
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs


> On 06/06/07, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just been talking to our local Renault dealer about replacing our
>> present van. It will be 3 yrs old in September, probably done
>> 150,000miles or so and we are gradually reducing the van replacement
>> time cycle so that we eventually run under the 3-year warranty.
>>
>> The 140hp 2.5 turbo engine is now 150hp, same size engine, but the
>> other bits are much the same. Getting a quote tomorrow, delivery will
>> be September anyway.
>>
>> Can't remember what Audi and BMW get out of their car diesels, but the
>> 2.5litre Renault van engine is a real gem. I believe that we can get
>> it upped to 220HP with a chip remapping, but likely that would hurt
>> the reliability (and warranty!) Best one we have ever had in the UK so
>> far.
>
> Update on that new van: we have ordered it for 24th September
> delivery, the same van from Vauxhall was December delivery, didn't
> check on the Nissan version.
>
> In case anyone is wondering, the Renault/Vauxhall/Nissan/Opel versions
> of this vehicle are all made at the GM Vauxhall factory for the UK
> market only. The Opels are exported to Europe.
>
> Price with taxes and discount is a little under $US40,000 so it isn't
> just petrol that is expensive over here!  That is a fairly well spec'd
> vehicle and includes 150bhp engine, aircon, CD Stereo, electric
> windows and mirrors, tinted glass, cab bulkhead, towbar and electrics
> and tachograph (required when towing a trailer commercially)
>
> We are keeping the original Renault van and getting rid of the smaller
> Vauxhall Astravan which is just over 4 years old now and has covered
> just over 100K miles..
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jun 12 00:45:19 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:45:19 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <002201c7ac67$0fe19740$9384e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com>
	<6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160706101316x250e6136lb28d666d356f369c@mail.gmail.com>
	<002201c7ac67$0fe19740$9384e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706120045s3cedb468w4a5e79943b719f39@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/06/07, craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Peter ,
>             Your van must be rated at over 3.5 tons as a van that is rated
> up to this weight does not need a tacho when pulling trailers commercially
> or not . The firm that I subcontract to has vans rated at 4.5 tons that came
> with a tacho as standard , they got them down rated to 3.5 tons and they
> need a tacho when towing anything
> Craig in Scotland

Not quite correct, it is the combined weight that is over 3.5tonnes,
the basic van by itself is 2.9tonnes GVW, 4.9tonnes GCW.

Legislation details:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/requirementsfortrailers

If adding a trailer to the vehicle makes the GCW exceed 3.5tonnes then
a tacho is required, even if the vehicle is less than 3.5 tonnes to
start with. No tacho is needed for private trips as already mentioned.
You only need to use the tacho when running with a trailer (empty or
loaded) no need to use it if the van is less than 3.5tonnes.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 12 09:50:24 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:50:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] tachograph
Message-ID: <BAY127-F38B04370A969C7574DB331CB190@phx.gbl>

I'm almost sorry I asked!

At every casino, and many "adult" interstate stops, I see semi rigs parked 
there, many with GPS on the roof.  Either no one is paying attention, or no 
one cares.

I bought a van-bodied Isuzu KS-22 some years back that had been used as a 
drug delivery vehicle for a large pharmacy supplier.  It had a gadget in the 
front of the box (hard to get to with a load!) that recorded the time the 
receiving agent stuck his key in it and turned it.  Apparently made a unique 
hole in the time chart.  Rudimentary, but provided some information.

Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted 
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
thereafter."
E. Hemingway

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 12 11:02:55 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:02:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] tachograph
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F38B04370A969C7574DB331CB190@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-F38B04370A969C7574DB331CB190@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706121401350.17569@vegeta.city-net.com>

Bruce,

Man, you're just too suspicious.  Those parking lots are just nice secure
spots for the driver to park his rig and get his required sleep off the
clock.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Bruce Younger wrote:

> I'm almost sorry I asked!
>
> At every casino, and many "adult" interstate stops, I see semi rigs parked
> there, many with GPS on the roof.  Either no one is paying attention, or no
> one cares.



From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Jun 12 16:50:30 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:50:30 +1000
Subject: [SEL] remetaling brass bearings LONG
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070613084127.01ab83b0@ncable.com.au>

Howdy folks; some time back I posed the question of just simply 
building up the brass bearings for my graham with white metal (like 
building up with solder) instead of making whole new brass bearings. 
These are quite large bearings and would be quite expensive to 
reproduce in brass/bronze. With very little ware really it seemed 
like an option to just fill/coat the bearings with about a 1 to 2mm 
thickness if white metal and machine them to the correct thickness 
and replace etc. Well this has now been done and I have to say I'm 
very pleased with the results.   ......................................
......................... HOWEVER!

There is no such thing as simple!  from the start. On the firing 
stroke of the engine one could see a "jump" (if you like) in the 
crank and flywheel on the side shaft side of the engine when running. 
This made me check the bearings out to find that on the side shaft 
side, one could quite easily stick a credit card into the gap found 
between the top eage of the bottom bearing and crank shaft.  When I 
removed the bearing cap and top bearing from the opposite side all 
looked pretty good.  So time to remove the bearings. When cleaned up 
I could see where a distinctive ware mark in the troublesome bearing 
(bottom half) had been made. So this area was to get a little more 
white metal than the rest. The other 3 bearing peices looked pretty 
good so off to dads place for the big white metal soldering job to be 
done. I left the bearing with dad as I had to work etc. Anyway dad 
called to let me know the job went pretty good. He had a little bit 
of mucking about to get the white metal to stick to the brass; a 
little more heat and soldering flux got it done. The soldering iron 
hot and some extra heat to the bearing and all looked like it was 
going well. A nice looking coating of white metal had gone on the 
bearings apart from one which had a slight crusty apearence to it 
which we think is from getting just a little too hot.
this link is to show a pic of what they now looked like :
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2621978930036399874BmBbHr

Well being more than happy at this point I took my bearings around to 
a mates place for machining. We fixed the bearings together with hose 
clamps and placed into the lathe and used a michrometer to get them 
centred best we could. All going well so started to machine 
them.  This was pretty easy; however it was a bit of a shock really 
to see that there was simply just not enough white metal in there to 
machine out.
This link you can see clean white metal and plenty of pitting where 
it is shallow:
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2530864950036399874qhfQqN

This next link shows the first bearing (side shaft side) after 
machining. The top section come up pretty well but the bottom half is 
in need of the soldering doctor once again.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2556790590036399874vdJrao

Well to the next side; it was not until know that I had even pick up 
the fact that when these two bits were placed together they were not 
anywhere near close to being round! There didn't seem to be any cause 
for alarm before removing them so I never studdied them before all 
this work started. Well I recon this was the main cause for the ware 
in the other side.  Two problems! Firstly at some stage the top shell 
has had a huge amount of machining done to the sides of the bearing 
to help bring it down tighter onto the crank shaft! Why would this be 
needed? Well theres the second problem, you can see in the pics that 
the bottom of the bottom bearing is worn somewhere in the tune of 
3mm. I can tell you now that the coating of white metal dad placed 
onto these two shells was going to go know where near close enough to 
fill these holes!
This pic shows the gap needing to be filled again; the cliper shows 
the difference in wall thickness from the bottom of the crankshaft 
bearing to the bottom of the other side!
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2052053360036399874eRzuDB
In that pic you can also see that the top white metal is not to bad 
but the bottom was hardly touched during machining

this next pic shows the shims thickness (4mm) need to get the outside 
of the bearing round again. You can visually see the difference in 
wall thickness from the top to the bottom of the bearing.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2773022770036399874vEZdXM

So back to dads for the second filling. This was now much harder to 
do than the first time because of the amount of metal/thickness 
needed. We had trouble keeping the white metal that we built up 
enough to stay put as we moved alone to put more in. It would be fair 
to say that IF! .... at the start I had picked up that the amount of 
metal need to fill this bearing  was going to be as needed; I would 
have tried my hand at pouring it in after setting it up with a wooden 
shaft etc through the middle. Anyway this was not done. We had to go 
onto using the oxy to concertrate our heat onto a smaller area 
allowing more control to a smaller working area. No soldering iron 
but just the stick of white metal melting and poking it into place.

All looked well so back to gregs place for another machining. Very 
pleasing result this time around. The bearings do have some minor 
pitting hear and there but overall very neat. (the pitting will hold 
oil anyway right  :-o ) The engine is now back together and ready for 
the Junction Rally in a few weeks time. It runs much smoother now, No 
jumping of the shaft and know knocking because of this problem 
also.   So there you go; ............. We learn't something here I 
recon. Would I do the same thing again? Most deffinately! The result 
is great. Advice; check the bearing out properly for ware before 
making the decission to build up or poor the white metal.
cheers, Russell





Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics


From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Jun 12 19:13:41 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:13:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Transport from Bloomfield NJ to any where closer to Upstate NY
Message-ID: <20070613021343.9D4E757DA1@gw1.nlenet.net>

Hi

Is any one traveling from near Bloomfield NJ to Coolsprings, or 
Pageant of steam or other shows in the western NY or PA area?  I am 
looking at a small Compressor but I would need to get someone to hall 
it for me.

I need more toys.

BTW for those who offered to help with a large clock from England, I 
ended up buying just the works so it was much smaller and easier to 
ship. I tis on it's way now.
Thanks to all who offered.

Thanks,

Frank DeWitt



From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 12 23:05:54 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:05:54 +1200
Subject: [SEL] remetaling brass bearings LONG
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070613084127.01ab83b0@ncable.com.au>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070613084127.01ab83b0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <003401c7ad80$e78e24a0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Russell well done great result using the babitt on brass it was a good
decision. brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Gilbert
Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2007 11:51 a.m.
To: SEL
Subject: [SEL] remetaling brass bearings LONG

Howdy folks; some time back I posed the question of just simply 
building up the brass bearings for my graham with white metal (like 
building up with solder) instead of making whole new brass bearings. 
These are quite large bearings and would be quite expensive to 
reproduce in brass/bronze. With very little ware really it seemed 
like an option to just fill/coat the bearings with about a 1 to 2mm 
thickness if white metal and machine them to the correct thickness 
and replace etc. Well this has now been done and I have to say I'm 
very pleased with the results.   ......................................
......................... HOWEVER!

There is no such thing as simple!  from the start. On the firing 
stroke of the engine one could see a "jump" (if you like) in the 
crank and flywheel on the side shaft side of the engine when running. 
This made me check the bearings out to find that on the side shaft 
side, one could quite easily stick a credit card into the gap found 
between the top eage of the bottom bearing and crank shaft.  When I 
removed the bearing cap and top bearing from the opposite side all 
looked pretty good.  So time to remove the bearings. When cleaned up 
I could see where a distinctive ware mark in the troublesome bearing 
(bottom half) had been made. So this area was to get a little more 
white metal than the rest. The other 3 bearing peices looked pretty 
good so off to dads place for the big white metal soldering job to be 
done. I left the bearing with dad as I had to work etc. Anyway dad 
called to let me know the job went pretty good. He had a little bit 
of mucking about to get the white metal to stick to the brass; a 
little more heat and soldering flux got it done. The soldering iron 
hot and some extra heat to the bearing and all looked like it was 
going well. A nice looking coating of white metal had gone on the 
bearings apart from one which had a slight crusty apearence to it 
which we think is from getting just a little too hot.
this link is to show a pic of what they now looked like :
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2621978930036399874BmBbHr

Well being more than happy at this point I took my bearings around to 
a mates place for machining. We fixed the bearings together with hose 
clamps and placed into the lathe and used a michrometer to get them 
centred best we could. All going well so started to machine 
them.  This was pretty easy; however it was a bit of a shock really 
to see that there was simply just not enough white metal in there to 
machine out.
This link you can see clean white metal and plenty of pitting where 
it is shallow:
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2530864950036399874qhfQqN

This next link shows the first bearing (side shaft side) after 
machining. The top section come up pretty well but the bottom half is 
in need of the soldering doctor once again.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2556790590036399874vdJrao

Well to the next side; it was not until know that I had even pick up 
the fact that when these two bits were placed together they were not 
anywhere near close to being round! There didn't seem to be any cause 
for alarm before removing them so I never studdied them before all 
this work started. Well I recon this was the main cause for the ware 
in the other side.  Two problems! Firstly at some stage the top shell 
has had a huge amount of machining done to the sides of the bearing 
to help bring it down tighter onto the crank shaft! Why would this be 
needed? Well theres the second problem, you can see in the pics that 
the bottom of the bottom bearing is worn somewhere in the tune of 
3mm. I can tell you now that the coating of white metal dad placed 
onto these two shells was going to go know where near close enough to 
fill these holes!
This pic shows the gap needing to be filled again; the cliper shows 
the difference in wall thickness from the bottom of the crankshaft 
bearing to the bottom of the other side!
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2052053360036399874eRzuDB
In that pic you can also see that the top white metal is not to bad 
but the bottom was hardly touched during machining

this next pic shows the shims thickness (4mm) need to get the outside 
of the bearing round again. You can visually see the difference in 
wall thickness from the top to the bottom of the bearing.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2773022770036399874vEZdXM

So back to dads for the second filling. This was now much harder to 
do than the first time because of the amount of metal/thickness 
needed. We had trouble keeping the white metal that we built up 
enough to stay put as we moved alone to put more in. It would be fair 
to say that IF! .... at the start I had picked up that the amount of 
metal need to fill this bearing  was going to be as needed; I would 
have tried my hand at pouring it in after setting it up with a wooden 
shaft etc through the middle. Anyway this was not done. We had to go 
onto using the oxy to concertrate our heat onto a smaller area 
allowing more control to a smaller working area. No soldering iron 
but just the stick of white metal melting and poking it into place.

All looked well so back to gregs place for another machining. Very 
pleasing result this time around. The bearings do have some minor 
pitting hear and there but overall very neat. (the pitting will hold 
oil anyway right  :-o ) The engine is now back together and ready for 
the Junction Rally in a few weeks time. It runs much smoother now, No 
jumping of the shaft and know knocking because of this problem 
also.   So there you go; ............. We learn't something here I 
recon. Would I do the same thing again? Most deffinately! The result 
is great. Advice; check the bearing out properly for ware before 
making the decission to build up or poor the white metal.
cheers, Russell





Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Wed Jun 13 04:08:47 2007
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:08:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] remetaling brass bearings LONG
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070613084127.01ab83b0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <005501c7adab$384a3a30$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6>

Hi Russ, You done well Mate, a very good job. Cam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] remetaling brass bearings LONG


> Howdy folks; some time back I posed the question of just simply 
> building up the brass bearings for my graham with white metal (like 
> building up with solder) instead of making whole new brass bearings. 
> These are quite large bearings and would be quite expensive to 
> reproduce in brass/bronze. With very little ware really it seemed 
> like an option to just fill/coat the bearings with about a 1 to 2mm 
> thickness if white metal and machine them to the correct thickness 
> and replace etc. Well this has now been done and I have to say I'm 
> very pleased with the results.   ......................................
> ......................... HOWEVER!
> 
> There is no such thing as simple!  from the start. On the firing 
> stroke of the engine one could see a "jump" (if you like) in the 
> crank and flywheel on the side shaft side of the engine when running. 
> This made me check the bearings out to find that on the side shaft 
> side, one could quite easily stick a credit card into the gap found 
> between the top eage of the bottom bearing and crank shaft.  When I 
> removed the bearing cap and top bearing from the opposite side all 
> looked pretty good.  So time to remove the bearings. When cleaned up 
> I could see where a distinctive ware mark in the troublesome bearing 
> (bottom half) had been made. So this area was to get a little more 
> white metal than the rest. The other 3 bearing peices looked pretty 
> good so off to dads place for the big white metal soldering job to be 
> done. I left the bearing with dad as I had to work etc. Anyway dad 
> called to let me know the job went pretty good. He had a little bit 
> of mucking about to get the white metal to stick to the brass; a 
> little more heat and soldering flux got it done. The soldering iron 
> hot and some extra heat to the bearing and all looked like it was 
> going well. A nice looking coating of white metal had gone on the 
> bearings apart from one which had a slight crusty apearence to it 
> which we think is from getting just a little too hot.
> this link is to show a pic of what they now looked like :
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2621978930036399874BmBbHr
> 
> Well being more than happy at this point I took my bearings around to 
> a mates place for machining. We fixed the bearings together with hose 
> clamps and placed into the lathe and used a michrometer to get them 
> centred best we could. All going well so started to machine 
> them.  This was pretty easy; however it was a bit of a shock really 
> to see that there was simply just not enough white metal in there to 
> machine out.
> This link you can see clean white metal and plenty of pitting where 
> it is shallow:
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2530864950036399874qhfQqN
> 
> This next link shows the first bearing (side shaft side) after 
> machining. The top section come up pretty well but the bottom half is 
> in need of the soldering doctor once again.
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2556790590036399874vdJrao
> 
> Well to the next side; it was not until know that I had even pick up 
> the fact that when these two bits were placed together they were not 
> anywhere near close to being round! There didn't seem to be any cause 
> for alarm before removing them so I never studdied them before all 
> this work started. Well I recon this was the main cause for the ware 
> in the other side.  Two problems! Firstly at some stage the top shell 
> has had a huge amount of machining done to the sides of the bearing 
> to help bring it down tighter onto the crank shaft! Why would this be 
> needed? Well theres the second problem, you can see in the pics that 
> the bottom of the bottom bearing is worn somewhere in the tune of 
> 3mm. I can tell you now that the coating of white metal dad placed 
> onto these two shells was going to go know where near close enough to 
> fill these holes!
> This pic shows the gap needing to be filled again; the cliper shows 
> the difference in wall thickness from the bottom of the crankshaft 
> bearing to the bottom of the other side!
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2052053360036399874eRzuDB
> In that pic you can also see that the top white metal is not to bad 
> but the bottom was hardly touched during machining
> 
> this next pic shows the shims thickness (4mm) need to get the outside 
> of the bearing round again. You can visually see the difference in 
> wall thickness from the top to the bottom of the bearing.
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2773022770036399874vEZdXM
> 
> So back to dads for the second filling. This was now much harder to 
> do than the first time because of the amount of metal/thickness 
> needed. We had trouble keeping the white metal that we built up 
> enough to stay put as we moved alone to put more in. It would be fair 
> to say that IF! .... at the start I had picked up that the amount of 
> metal need to fill this bearing  was going to be as needed; I would 
> have tried my hand at pouring it in after setting it up with a wooden 
> shaft etc through the middle. Anyway this was not done. We had to go 
> onto using the oxy to concertrate our heat onto a smaller area 
> allowing more control to a smaller working area. No soldering iron 
> but just the stick of white metal melting and poking it into place.
> 
> All looked well so back to gregs place for another machining. Very 
> pleasing result this time around. The bearings do have some minor 
> pitting hear and there but overall very neat. (the pitting will hold 
> oil anyway right  :-o ) The engine is now back together and ready for 
> the Junction Rally in a few weeks time. It runs much smoother now, No 
> jumping of the shaft and know knocking because of this problem 
> also.   So there you go; ............. We learn't something here I 
> recon. Would I do the same thing again? Most deffinately! The result 
> is great. Advice; check the bearing out properly for ware before 
> making the decission to build up or poor the white metal.
> cheers, Russell
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Wed Jun 13 05:29:16 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:29:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Does anyone have Peter Ogborne's (Perth) email address
Message-ID: <466FE31C.5000509@steamengine.com.au>

Hi,
I'm trying to get back in touch with Peter Ogborne in Perth - does 
anyone have his current email address??

Regards
Paul


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Jun 13 14:20:34 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:20:34 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Does anyone have Peter Ogborne's (Perth) email address
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1181750402.1503.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070613231748.02b6dd60@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 13/06/2007, you wrote:
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:29:16 +1000
>From: Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
>Subject: [SEL] Does anyone have Peter Ogborne's (Perth) email address
>
>Hi,
>I'm trying to get back in touch with Peter Ogborne in Perth - does
>anyone have his current email address??
>
>Regards
>Paul

Hi Paul,
         <jopeter at omninet.net.au>




Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Jun 14 18:00:48 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hello
Message-ID: <20070615010050.765AC57CB8@gw1.nlenet.net>

Tap, Tap, Hello
Just checking to see if anyone is in here.

Frank



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jun 14 18:04:20 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:04:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hello
Message-ID: <d64.b13a436.33a33f94@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:01:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
Frank at lbpinc.com writes:

Just  checking to see if anyone is in here.


You arrived in California at 6:01 PM.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca




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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 14 18:05:21 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:05:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hello
In-Reply-To: <20070615010050.765AC57CB8@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <825374.94330.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I be here.
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan

Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:
  Tap, Tap, Hello
Just checking to see if anyone is in here.

Frank

       
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Jun 14 18:09:34 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:09:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Hello
In-Reply-To: <20070615010050.765AC57CB8@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <20070615010050.765AC57CB8@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <000001c7aee9$d6404e20$8335c53e@doc>

Nobody here....


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Frank DeWitt
> Sent: 15 June 2007 02:01
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Hello
> 
> Tap, Tap, Hello
> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
> 
> Frank
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jun 14 18:17:02 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:17:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hello
Message-ID: <20070614.181702.1844.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Frank.  I was wondering too.  Until yours came through I had received
only one post from the three lists I am on. ATIS. SEL. and Oldengine. 
Everyone must be working on projects.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:48 -0400 Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com>
writes:
> Tap, Tap, Hello
> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
> 
> Frank
>


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Jun 14 18:25:45 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:25:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hello
In-Reply-To: <20070614.181702.1844.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070614.181702.1844.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <2aa2b9f26b32fd67fe2786c9616d58c2@chartertn.net>

I'm not here.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 14 18:32:58 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hello
In-Reply-To: <20070614.181702.1844.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <9975.20554.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Has anyone seen my post?
  For some strang reason the last three or four days I do not get copies of any message I write.
  Not even when I send a message to myself. Several times not I have sent a test message and put this email addy in the To: , CC:  , and BCC: boxes.
  I should therefore get that message back three times.  I don't get any of them.
   
  I am on many yahoo lists, this list and Jim's oldengine list.
  I never see anything I write.
   
  Thanks guys,
  Alan Bowen

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
  Hi Frank. I was wondering too. Until yours came through I had received
only one post from the three lists I am on. ATIS. SEL. and Oldengine. 
Everyone must be working on projects.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:48 -0400 Frank DeWitt 
writes:
> Tap, Tap, Hello
> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
> 
> Frank
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jun 14 19:27:42 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:27:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hello
References: <20070614.181702.1844.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c7aef4$c0bc7d20$336d4b47@mikecomp>

They are all at Coolsprings!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello


> Hi Frank.  I was wondering too.  Until yours came through I had received
> only one post from the three lists I am on. ATIS. SEL. and Oldengine. 
> Everyone must be working on projects.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:48 -0400 Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com>
> writes:
>> Tap, Tap, Hello
>> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
>> 
>> Frank
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 14 19:33:13 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:33:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hello
References: <9975.20554.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c201c7aef5$86346630$240110ac@FAMILY>

Alan I got this message from you.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello


> Has anyone seen my post?
>  For some strang reason the last three or four days I do not get copies of 
> any message I write.
>  Not even when I send a message to myself. Several times not I have sent a 
> test message and put this email addy in the To: , CC:  , and BCC: boxes.
>  I should therefore get that message back three times.  I don't get any of 
> them.
>
>  I am on many yahoo lists, this list and Jim's oldengine list.
>  I never see anything I write.
>
>  Thanks guys,
>  Alan Bowen
>
> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>  Hi Frank. I was wondering too. Until yours came through I had received
> only one post from the three lists I am on. ATIS. SEL. and Oldengine.
> Everyone must be working on projects.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:48 -0400 Frank DeWitt
> writes:
>> Tap, Tap, Hello
>> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
>>
>> Frank
>>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun 14 19:40:24 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:40:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hello
References: <20070614.181702.1844.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<001e01c7aef4$c0bc7d20$336d4b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <02e401c7aef6$886e3420$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

As I should be too!  (Sigh)
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello


> They are all at Coolsprings!!!!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello
> 
> 
>> Hi Frank.  I was wondering too.  Until yours came through I had received
>> only one post from the three lists I am on. ATIS. SEL. and Oldengine. 
>> Everyone must be working on projects.
>> 
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>> 
>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:48 -0400 Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com>
>> writes:
>>> Tap, Tap, Hello
>>> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> 
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From dleis at centurytel.net  Thu Jun 14 13:14:22 2007
From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:14:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <000801c7aec0$9a0c26f0$0701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

sorry for the test no mail in 24 hours

                     Stacy


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jun 15 04:04:35 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:04:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000801c7aec0$9a0c26f0$0701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <002301c7af3c$fa43e2c0$0601a8c0@altech>

Well, that means turn off the computer and get out into your shop and fix 
engines ;-)))
You will get square eyes.


Peter, Oz





> sorry for the test no mail in 24 hours
>
>                     Stacy



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Fri Jun 15 04:11:16 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:11:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hello
In-Reply-To: <20070615010050.765AC57CB8@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <20070615010050.765AC57CB8@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <467273D4.8010007@steamengine.com.au>

Sorry Frank, I can't here you :)

Frank DeWitt wrote:
> Tap, Tap, Hello
> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
>
> Frank
>   



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jun 15 07:39:06 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:39:06 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hello
Message-ID: <c4a.15bf0600.33a3fe8a@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/14/2007 10:31:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

They are all at Coolsprings

Not all, some of us are headed to the beaches at Hatteras for the week!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 15 10:28:17 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:28:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000801c7aec0$9a0c26f0$0701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <003801c7af72$90b3bf20$240110ac@FAMILY>

Coming through loud and clear Stacy.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stacy Leis" <dleis at centurytel.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] test


> sorry for the test no mail in 24 hours
> 
>                     Stacy
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From svsuzanne at copper.net  Fri Jun 15 12:33:17 2007
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:33:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000801c7aec0$9a0c26f0$0701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <000801c7af84$07606450$cb1ec0ce@your6wz9c9s4x1>

OK here 1530 EDT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stacy Leis" <dleis at centurytel.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] test


> sorry for the test no mail in 24 hours
>
>                     Stacy
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release Date: 6/10/2007 
> 1:39 PM
>
> 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 15 14:13:36 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:13:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070613084127.01ab83b0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <672666.89022.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Howdy Folks,
   
  I have a heavy duty power bandsaw that I just replaced a bearing on.
  It is part of the right angle drive that powers the blade.
   
  The thick mud like lube that was in there had a lot of moisture in it because it has been sitting partly open for about four years. That's what the PO said anyway.
   
  Would 80 wt gear lube be the right lube to put back in there?
   
  This is an engine topic as I have carts to build and I need this tool running.
   
  Thankfully all the parts were laying on the saw, even the old bearing.
  All that was missing was one 1/4-20 X 3/8" round head machine screw that was easy to replace.
   
  I have it all put back together with a new bearing and it is ready to work as soon as I lube up those gears.
   
  The saw is mounted on a nice stand with wheels on one end.
  The top of the stand has a good sized lip all the way around and a well on one end to collect oil.  The oil drains into a filter then there is a pump and line that pumps the filtered oil back to the blade. It is a nice heavy pump too.
   
  What say ye?  80wt gear lube OK?
  Something else??
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan
   
  BTW,, I tried sending this to me three ways. Two you can see and the BCC you shouldn't be able to see.  Here's betting I don't see any of this again unless someone replies and leaves it.  I won't even get this message through the list.  It is like I have blocked my own emails.

       
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 15 14:28:37 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:28:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
Message-ID: <392438.2021.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

YAHOO !!!!!!!

Writing that made me wonder,
  I went and looked at all the SPAM emails that Yahoo has blocked for me.
   
  Sure enough rustaholic777 at yahoo.com was one of them.
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan
   
   
  Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
    Howdy Folks,
   
  I have a heavy duty power bandsaw that I just replaced a bearing on.
  It is part of the right angle drive that powers the blade.
   
  The thick mud like lube that was in there had a lot of moisture in it because it has been sitting partly open for about four years. That's what the PO said anyway.
   
  Would 80 wt gear lube be the right lube to put back in there?
   
  This is an engine topic as I have carts to build and I need this tool running.
   
  Thankfully all the parts were laying on the saw, even the old bearing.
  All that was missing was one 1/4-20 X 3/8" round head machine screw that was easy to replace.
   
  I have it all put back together with a new bearing and it is ready to work as soon as I lube up those gears.
   
  The saw is mounted on a nice stand with wheels on one end.
  The top of the stand has a good sized lip all the way around and a well on one end to collect oil.  The oil drains into a filter then there is a pump and line that pumps the filtered oil back to the blade. It is a nice heavy pump too.
   
  What say ye?  80wt gear lube OK?
  Something else??
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan
   
  BTW,, I tried sending this to me three ways. Two you can see and the BCC you shouldn't be able to see.  Here's betting I don't see any of this again unless someone replies and leaves it.  I won't even get this message through the list.  It is like I have blocked my own emails.

       
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 15 15:13:46 2007
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
In-Reply-To: <672666.89022.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <84350.64373.qm@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I would use 600W steam cylinder oil in it. Worm gear boxes often are
filled with it, which is the only reason it is still made.
I see you posting on the rope making list. I subbed to it after I bought a
rope maker at an auction. Now all I need to do is find the time to learn
how to use it.I bought a book on it from Lehman's, and even read it, but
that is as far as I got with it.
Joe
--- Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Howdy Folks,   
>   Would 80 wt gear lube be the right lube to put back in there?
>    


Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 15 16:13:09 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:13:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
In-Reply-To: <84350.64373.qm@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <232631.97799.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

OK Joe,
  Just where do I find 600W stean cylinder oil????
   
  About making rope.
  Go here and print out a copy of the very book that came with every New Era machine.
  http://www.wctatel.net/web/equityrealty/InstructionNewEraRopeMachine.html
  What kind of machine did you get.
   
  Kinda funny to read this right now as my gals, (Wife & Daughter) are right here next to me wanting me to get off this thing and go make some ropes. 8>))
   
  I have been thinking about emailing you.
  I have a corn sheller here that I picked up for Steve Barr.
  Recently Steve told me that you had mentioned that you might come on over here to the Buckley Old Engine Show this year.
  Is that really true ????
  That would be great to have you visit for our 40th show.

Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  I would use 600W steam cylinder oil in it. Worm gear boxes often are
filled with it, which is the only reason it is still made.
I see you posting on the rope making list. I subbed to it after I bought a
rope maker at an auction. Now all I need to do is find the time to learn
how to use it.I bought a book on it from Lehman's, and even read it, but
that is as far as I got with it.
Joe
--- Alan Bowen wrote:

> Howdy Folks, 
> Would 80 wt gear lube be the right lube to put back in there?
> 


Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
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From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Fri Jun 15 17:05:01 2007
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:05:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Everyone's at Coolsprings
Message-ID: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>

Wish I was at Cool Springs.  Sad thing is I'll be in Carlisle PA the following week.

Joe Maurer


From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Jun 15 18:11:46 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:11:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Everyone's at Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
References: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070615211022.02f06c70@pop3.wcoil.com>

Joe even most sad is the fact that I could have went with Mark (I've not 
been to Coolsprings yet!) but chose to stay home and run business, which 
means no break from the Maytags!!! EEEK  LOL
Christine Shulaw


At 08:05 PM 6/15/07, you wrote:
>Wish I was at Cool Springs.  Sad thing is I'll be in Carlisle PA the 
>following week.
>
>Joe Maurer
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
No Sunday calls if possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Jun 15 18:58:13 2007
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:58:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Everyone's at Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
Message-ID: <751957.74668.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe

That means that we will miss you at the Sandwich, IL show June 23-24.

I too did not make CPM this year....Maybe in the fall....

Steve
--- Joe & Jewel Maurer <toadhill at aeroinc.net> wrote:

Wish I was at Cool Springs.  Sad thing is I'll be in Carlisle PA the
following week.

Joe Maurer



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Fri Jun 15 18:59:49 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:59:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] seeking public vintage tractor collection - around Illawarra
Message-ID: <46734415.1030809@steamengine.com.au>

Can anyone help with this? Reply to me directly please and I'll forward 
to Nicole.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Vintage tractor collection - unclassified
Date: 	Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:05:04 +1200
From: 	MUNRO-JOHNSON NICOLE, MRS <NICOLE.MUNRO-JOHNSON at XXX>
To: 	<paulp at steamengine.com.au>



Hi Paul,

I obtained your email address from the Steam Engine website and am 
hoping you can help with my enquiry. 

My grandfather is a huge tractor fan and for his 80th birthday in July 
we want to take him to a good vintage tractor collection.  He is based 
in Illawarra, and we don't want to travel more than 4 hours or so.  Do 
you know of a good collection nearby? 

I have searched online and found one in Gunnedah, and although it 
professes to be the best collection, I wanted a second opinion!

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards,

Nicole Munro-Johnson

*Nicole Munro-Johnson*



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jun 15 20:04:55 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:04:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Everyone's at Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <751957.74668.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
	<751957.74668.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070615220311.01cceca8@mail.alltel.net>


It's COOLSPRING, not COOLSPRINGS (there is ONLY one of them) but what the 
hell all of you that are not there are missing a GREAT show!
	Dave



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 16 04:47:16 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:47:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson pump jack part needed
Message-ID: <061620071147.26658.4673CDC400054CA600006822219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

I am looking for the flat detent spring that adjusts the timing on my Fuller & 
Johnson pump jack engine.  Mine is the one with battery and buzz coil style.
thankyou in advance.
Curt Andree


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jun 16 10:45:43 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:45:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
References: <84350.64373.qm@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV1004931A73D032EA7D202BB1D0@phx.gbl>

Joe..I've got a manual for the New Era..scanned and ready if I had your 
email.

RickinMt.


> I see you posting on the rope making list. I subbed to it after I bought a
> rope maker at an auction. Now all I need to do is find the time to learn
> how to use it.I bought a book on it from Lehman's, and even read it, but
> that is as far as I got with it.
> Joe 



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jun 17 04:03:12 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:03:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam
Message-ID: <20070617110258.EYEQ26563.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>


It is a little quiet at the moment so I thought I should post something to
show there is still life out here.
Today is Cam's birthday, so Happy Birthday Cam!


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jun 17 04:39:36 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:39:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam
References: <20070617110258.EYEQ26563.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000601c7b0d4$2ff529e0$d4ee683a@Edd>

Good on ya mate!!!!!Have a good one.!!!!!!.HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATE.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam


>
> It is a little quiet at the moment so I thought I should post something to
> show there is still life out here.
> Today is Cam's birthday, so Happy Birthday Cam!
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jun 17 04:52:00 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:52:00 +0800
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
Message-ID: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>


Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;

After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop 
over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon 
our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I 
remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and 
how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging 
paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.

Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been 
banned by now".

(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for 
a good reason, but I am no chemist.)

BUT . . .

Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
the old products had most undesirable side-effects?

Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents 
and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they 
became "acid free".

Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium 
cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all 
worked very well.

Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.

My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely 
ineffective.

JW?



From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sun Jun 17 06:14:11 2007
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:14:11 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam
Message-ID: <d61.ae6da4f.33a68da3@aol.com>

All the best Cam and many more


Peter Woodmore. 
peterwoodmore at aol.com
Skype name Woadmere   



From falcon at telenet.net  Sun Jun 17 07:24:34 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:24:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <46754422.6070802@telenet.net>



Jack Watson wrote:
> Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;
> 
> After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop 
> over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon 
> our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I 
> remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and 
> how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging 
> paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.
> 
> Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been 
> banned by now".
> 
> (I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for 
> a good reason, but I am no chemist.)
> 
> BUT . . .
> 
> Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
> replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
> the old products had most undesirable side-effects?
> 
> Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
> out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
> substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
> thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents 
> and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they 
> became "acid free".
> 
> Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
> now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium 
> cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all 
> worked very well.
> 
> Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
> exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
> all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
> around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
> they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
> given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.
> 
> My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely 
> ineffective.
> 
> JW?
> 

I agree with removing a product from consumer use If it has been proven 
to cause serious problems AND there is a suitable replacement. The huge 
problem is that many products are banned using junk testing methods and 
poor science.

  Look through some of the tests they use and you will find out that 
most of the products have been tested using outrageous amounts on the 
test subject. Triclor is a good one- The testing used rats and the 
"researchers" found that constant exposure caused problems. The 
"constant exposure" they used on the rats was by shaving their fur and 
wetting the same spots with triclor and not cleaning or even letting it 
evaporate off. The amount they determined to be a problem would be 
equivalent to a normal human taking a bath daily for two years....

Take a look at the testing done on lead. The amounts I have seen stated 
as causing problems in children (No noted effect on people over 10-12 
years unless they get shot with a lead bullet) means your kid must have 
eaten a gallon of paint per day for a week!


-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York
NRA Member
Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
he'd have become a vegan.


From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Jun 17 07:40:01 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:40:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <0JJS0015BBG0QRI9@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

Usually the whacko liberals and their 
enviro-hysteria are what causes a lot of good 
things to go away.  "This product has been known 
to the state of Kalifornia to cause 
cancer."  Remember, in Kalifornia EVERYTHING is 
known to cause cancer!  I think there should be a 
disclaimer that the state of Kalifornia has been known to cause idiocy.

Although Asbestos and lead definitely got canned 
for good reason, I think the modern 2 part epoxy 
paints are very good, as well as lead free 
gasoline.  Hardened valve seats and guides have 
fixed most of the problems associated with 
lead-free gas.  As far as brakes go, the newer 
ceramic pads are probably the best thing to come 
along.  They don't tear up rotors, don't heat 
fade very much, and don't leave nasty black dust all over your wheels.

-Tony


At 06:52 AM 6/17/2007, you wrote:

>Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;
>
>After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
>over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
>our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
>remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
>how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
>paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.
>
>Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
>banned by now".
>
>(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
>a good reason, but I am no chemist.)
>
>BUT . . .
>
>Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
>replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
>the old products had most undesirable side-effects?
>
>Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
>out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
>substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
>thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
>and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
>became "acid free".
>
>Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
>now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
>cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
>worked very well.
>
>Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
>exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
>all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
>around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
>they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
>given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.
>
>My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
>ineffective.
>
>JW?
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Jun 17 08:13:32 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 16:13:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <004401c7b0f2$128c7e80$e5c30b52@no1>


Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!



Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;

After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.

Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
banned by now".

(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
a good reason, but I am no chemist.)

BUT . . .

Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
the old products had most undesirable side-effects?

Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
became "acid free".

Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
worked very well.

Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.

My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
ineffective.

JW?


My main gripe with the "Safety" lobby is the banning of BCF extinguishers.
The slight risk to health by BCF in negligable compared with the saving of lives from fire.
BCF & similar liquid extinguishers were far better than the current dry powder type.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net  Sun Jun 17 08:41:28 2007
From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:41:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Interesting Paint Job at Coolspring
Message-ID: <032001c7b0f5$f8a5a5b0$3a52bc4c@pengy>


I saw this Reid while at Coolspring.  

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2670059790033749120XjeiTw

I didn't get a chance to ask the owner of the engine how he managed to get this type of finish.  It doesn't look like traditional paint, it looks more like the graphite coating that is used on steam locomotive smokeboxes.  Anyone have an idea as to how this finish can be achieved? 

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH 44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org




From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net  Sun Jun 17 08:53:31 2007
From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:53:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>

Products were initially developed without consideration for health effects. 
The most suitable material was found to do a certain task and that was it. 
Now that "health effects" are factored in those products found most suitable 
must now be judged by their supposed health impacts.  Compromises must be 
made and part of the compromise is that the products no longer work as well 
as they did.  The other compromise is that they are more expensive. Seems 
like all the compromising is being done by the consumer!

We must all remember that the environmental movement sees humanity as a 
blight on the earth.  Their ultimate goal is to see humanity either 
destroyed or revert to pre industrial revolution status. If you view their 
actions in that context then what they do makes sense. You then see that 
they practice incrementalism and are very patient in reaching their goals.

Rick

P.S.  Who is to say that global warming is a bad thing?  Greenland was named 
GREENland for a reason.  Go there today and you will not see much green.  I 
think we're still living in the effects of the last global cooling.

P.P.S.  Who is to say that the current climate is the optimal climate for 
the Earth?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!



Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;

After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.

Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
banned by now".

(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
a good reason, but I am no chemist.)

BUT . . .

Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
the old products had most undesirable side-effects?

Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
became "acid free".

Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
worked very well.

Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.

My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
ineffective.

JW?

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun 17 09:59:28 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:59:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam
References: <20070617110258.EYEQ26563.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000601c7b0d4$2ff529e0$d4ee683a@Edd>
Message-ID: <002a01c7b100$df2db720$240110ac@FAMILY>

Hey Happy Birthday Cam, glad to see that you made another one, now just 50 
more to go.

Happy Birthday,

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam


> Good on ya mate!!!!!Have a good one.!!!!!!.HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATE.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:03 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam
>
>
>>
>> It is a little quiet at the moment so I thought I should post something 
>> to
>> show there is still life out here.
>> Today is Cam's birthday, so Happy Birthday Cam!
>>
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>>
>>
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From don.h at wcoil.com  Sun Jun 17 10:28:30 2007
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:28:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Interesting Paint Job at Coolspring
References: <032001c7b0f5$f8a5a5b0$3a52bc4c@pengy>
Message-ID: <000401c7b104$ec940e60$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498>

Rick that look just like the paint I,m using on my Cushman wheels?? Its a 
paint for car rims after I did all of the rims and stuff I went to the 
Cushman show and found out it was to dark a finish A number of years ago 
when we sold paint in our store here in Ottawa  ppg made a spray ( rattle ) 
can paint for cast iron or should I say it was a paint to use on items to 
get the new cast iron look that was ok I,v been away from the paint business 
to long to no if its still around!! Try out your local PPG store or someone 
that carries the good paint and you will get a good selection plus free help 
!!! not the oh the paint is over there stuff you get from the box 
stores.Sorry to say but the good old merchants are being run out by all the 
junk stuff on the market today.  Don in Ottawa
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <rowlands1941 at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Interesting Paint Job at Coolspring


>
> I saw this Reid while at Coolspring.
>
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2670059790033749120XjeiTw
>
> I didn't get a chance to ask the owner of the engine how he managed to get 
> this type of finish.  It doesn't look like traditional paint, it looks 
> more like the graphite coating that is used on steam locomotive 
> smokeboxes.  Anyone have an idea as to how this finish can be achieved?
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Foundation
> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH 44505
> 330-272-4089
> www.todengine.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 17 19:04:36 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:04:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Paint Job at Coolspring
Message-ID: <BAY127-F285D7075E52883E0CA957BCB130@phx.gbl>

Rick, this looks like a spray coating labeled "stainless steel".  This spray 
coating doesn't look much like stainless steel, but it does look like your 
picture.
I've used it to semi-match SS plumbing fittings.

http://www.steel-it.com/poly.htm


Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun 17 12:43:26 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:43:26 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
	<032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>
Message-ID: <002d01c7b117$c8206980$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

JW Couldnt agree with you more i still am looking for a good alternative for
cleaning the gunk off old moters that are caked in layers of grease even
steam cleaning doent remove all the grease still have to pick it off with a
scaper and wash down with petrol.Have tried  modern citrus flavours cleaners
it just doesnt work unless you leave parts soaking for a while not always
practical.Speaking of paints i recently came across an old tin of roof paint
never been opened i think made late 40s-50s the red barn type variety after
stirring it up you could see it had white lead and linseed oil and red
pigments but it is the best paint to work with i painted an old truck cab
its slow drying easy to touch up i brush painted cant see the brush marks
can see the grinding marks underneath though and covers brilliantly.That was
the only paint i had but it looks really good these paints were more in
keeping with the old coach paints which were more linseed oil based i have
recipes on different paints. 
Its interesting but did you realise if the ice melts thats in the sea the
water level will drop its a proven fact that ice occupies more room than
water.It puzzles me that people dont realise this....brent nz  
 
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 3:54 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Products were initially developed without consideration for health effects. 
The most suitable material was found to do a certain task and that was it. 
Now that "health effects" are factored in those products found most suitable

must now be judged by their supposed health impacts.  Compromises must be 
made and part of the compromise is that the products no longer work as well 
as they did.  The other compromise is that they are more expensive. Seems 
like all the compromising is being done by the consumer!

We must all remember that the environmental movement sees humanity as a 
blight on the earth.  Their ultimate goal is to see humanity either 
destroyed or revert to pre industrial revolution status. If you view their 
actions in that context then what they do makes sense. You then see that 
they practice incrementalism and are very patient in reaching their goals.

Rick

P.S.  Who is to say that global warming is a bad thing?  Greenland was named

GREENland for a reason.  Go there today and you will not see much green.  I 
think we're still living in the effects of the last global cooling.

P.P.S.  Who is to say that the current climate is the optimal climate for 
the Earth?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!



Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;

After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.

Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
banned by now".

(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
a good reason, but I am no chemist.)

BUT . . .

Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
the old products had most undesirable side-effects?

Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
became "acid free".

Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
worked very well.

Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.

My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
ineffective.

JW?

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sun Jun 17 19:19:16 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (pjp at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:19:16 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
	<032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>
Message-ID: <21724.203.39.62.50.1182133156.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>

Rick, I suspect that the CHEAPER alternative was the one chosen, not so
much the most effective known at the time. Many of the health effects of
the products used were known at the time of initial marketing. Asbestos is
one of those - the manufacturers knew, they just didn't tell anyone - that
is why people make money from compo claims. If the manufacturer of the
product tells you their product will make you sick and it subsequently
does because you didn't follow the MSDS then you cannot claim anything.

Paul

> Products were initially developed without consideration for health
> effects.
> The most suitable material was found to do a certain task and that was it.
> Now that "health effects" are factored in those products found most
> suitable
> must now be judged by their supposed health impacts.




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jun 17 19:45:26 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:45:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <002d01c7b117$c8206980$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
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> Its interesting but did you realise if the ice melts thats in the sea 
> the
> water level will drop its a proven fact that ice occupies more room 
> than
> water.It puzzles me that people dont realise this....brent nz

Ah, but ice caps on continental land masses like Greenland and 
Antarctica, when they melt and run into the sea, do raise the sea 
level. It's not all floating on sea water.

I like the idea of rising sea level. Shorter drive to the beach.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sun Jun 17 19:58:20 2007
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:58:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
Message-ID: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>

 
John,
That's right, lots of fresh water to run into the sea when the ice caps melt, 
that is, the ones resting on land.  Just think, the melting fresh water will 
dilute the mineral content of the sea water making it less dense so ships will 
either have to carry lighter loads or set deeper into the water.  If it 
weren't for the rise in sea level, some of these ships might run aground so it 
works out pretty well, don't you think?
Ron
In a message dated 6/17/2007 9:51:42 PM Central Daylight Time, 
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:

Ah, but ice caps on continental land masses like Greenland and 
Antarctica, when they melt and run into the sea, do raise the sea 
level. It's not all floating on sea water.

I like the idea of rising sea level. Shorter drive to the beach.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA





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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jun 17 20:52:23 2007
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:52:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam
References: <20070617110258.EYEQ26563.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <00ac01c7b15c$15fa47e0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6>

To all those who sent me Birthday greetings, I thank you very much. They are 
starting to creep up on me a bit. Cheers Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam


>
> It is a little quiet at the moment so I thought I should post something to
> show there is still life out here.
> Today is Cam's birthday, so Happy Birthday Cam!
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Jun 17 20:56:45 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:56:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070615220311.01cceca8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
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Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070617233551.02efd740@pop3.wcoil.com>

For those of you who seen it, The Buffalo Springfield roller is out of the 
ditch and back into its barn safe and sound with no apparent damage. Just 
some scraped paint to the undercarriage. Can't say the same for a few trees 
though, GRINNNN.  After its extracation from the low lands it was checked 
over thoroughly and it was deemed safe to fire it up and it was driven to 
the barn under its own power like nothing ever happened. The extraction was 
accomplished with the Museums Military duce and a half wrecker and the Cat 
D8 and a crew of dedicated workers.  Four hours total work. Alls well that 
ends well.                      Mark 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun 17 21:08:42 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:08:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070617233551.02efd740@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>	<751957.74668.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20070615220311.01cceca8@mail.alltel.net>
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Mark,
    I didn't hear about the roller mishap.  What happened?  It was 
rolling around the grounds when I left on Friday.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>For those of you who seen it, The Buffalo Springfield roller is out of the 
>ditch and back into its barn safe and sound with no apparent damage. Just 
>some scraped paint to the undercarriage. Can't say the same for a few trees 
>though, GRINNNN.  After its extracation from the low lands it was checked 
>over thoroughly and it was deemed safe to fire it up and it was driven to 
>the barn under its own power like nothing ever happened. The extraction was 
>accomplished with the Museums Military duce and a half wrecker and the Cat 
>D8 and a crew of dedicated workers.  Four hours total work. Alls well that 
>ends well.                      Mark 
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jun 17 21:11:11 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:11:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>

Well, for that matter, I can drive down to the beach and jump in and 
cause the sea level to rise.

John

On Jun 17, 2007, at 10:58 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

>
> John,
> That's right, lots of fresh water to run into the sea when the ice 
> caps melt,
> that is, the ones resting on land.  Just think, the melting fresh 
> water will
> dilute the mineral content of the sea water making it less dense so 
> ships will
> either have to carry lighter loads or set deeper into the water.  If it
> weren't for the rise in sea level, some of these ships might run 
> aground so it
> works out pretty well, don't you think?
> Ron


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Jun 17 22:14:43 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:14:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <4676054A.6040401@scrtc.com>
References: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
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To make a long story short and simple,  the roller got stuck in the deep 
ditch on the way up the hill to the Snow construction site. And with 
something as large and heavy as a roller combined with a deep ditch its not 
a simple chain a tractor to it and drag it out kinda operation. And to make 
matters worse the clutch on the D8 was acting up due to lack of use and 
took some effort by the boys to get it working well enough to 
use.       TTYL,  Mark



At 12:08 AM 6/18/07, you wrote:
>Mark,
>     I didn't hear about the roller mishap.  What happened?  It was
>rolling around the grounds when I left on Friday.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
> >For those of you who seen it, The Buffalo Springfield roller is out of the
> >ditch and back into its barn safe and sound with no apparent damage. Just
> >some scraped paint to the undercarriage. Can't say the same for a few trees
> >though, GRINNNN.  After its extracation from the low lands it was checked
> >over thoroughly and it was deemed safe to fire it up and it was driven to
> >the barn under its own power like nothing ever happened. The extraction was
> >accomplished with the Museums Military duce and a half wrecker and the Cat
> >D8 and a crew of dedicated workers.  Four hours total work. Alls well that
> >ends well.                      Mark
> >
> >
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun 17 23:05:42 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:05:42 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
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Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause more evaporation so less
water in the oceans its all theretical?? The climate is cyclic in another
1000 years it will probably be an ice age then after another 1000yers it
will be sausage just kidding. brent




.Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 4:11 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Well, for that matter, I can drive down to the beach and jump in and 
cause the sea level to rise.

John

On Jun 17, 2007, at 10:58 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

>
> John,
> That's right, lots of fresh water to run into the sea when the ice 
> caps melt,
> that is, the ones resting on land.  Just think, the melting fresh 
> water will
> dilute the mineral content of the sea water making it less dense so 
> ships will
> either have to carry lighter loads or set deeper into the water.  If it
> weren't for the rise in sea level, some of these ships might run 
> aground so it
> works out pretty well, don't you think?
> Ron


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun 17 23:06:55 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:06:55 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>
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John no bombers though we dont need tidal waves..  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 4:11 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Well, for that matter, I can drive down to the beach and jump in and 
cause the sea level to rise.

John

On Jun 17, 2007, at 10:58 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

>
> John,
> That's right, lots of fresh water to run into the sea when the ice 
> caps melt,
> that is, the ones resting on land.  Just think, the melting fresh 
> water will
> dilute the mineral content of the sea water making it less dense so 
> ships will
> either have to carry lighter loads or set deeper into the water.  If it
> weren't for the rise in sea level, some of these ships might run 
> aground so it
> works out pretty well, don't you think?
> Ron


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun 17 23:17:21 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:17:21 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <0JJS0015BBG0QRI9@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
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Organo phosphates are becoming a thing of the past some of the chemicals we
used to sell at our rural supplies business i am pleased we dont sell
anymore 20 years ago we were selling tear gas from ww1 to fumigate grain
silos brings tears to the eyes just thinking about it imagine a 20 ltr drum
leaking in a city area today imagine the fallout.Another chemical metasystox
taken off the market a systemic insecticide if it spilt down a persons back
could cause paralysis so in some cases better that these substances are gone
the big issue is often not the products but common sense use of the
product.In hazardous chemicals such as the above they need to be resticted
to specialised licenced users like they do with explosives...brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 2:40 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Usually the whacko liberals and their 
enviro-hysteria are what causes a lot of good 
things to go away.  "This product has been known 
to the state of Kalifornia to cause 
cancer."  Remember, in Kalifornia EVERYTHING is 
known to cause cancer!  I think there should be a 
disclaimer that the state of Kalifornia has been known to cause idiocy.

Although Asbestos and lead definitely got canned 
for good reason, I think the modern 2 part epoxy 
paints are very good, as well as lead free 
gasoline.  Hardened valve seats and guides have 
fixed most of the problems associated with 
lead-free gas.  As far as brakes go, the newer 
ceramic pads are probably the best thing to come 
along.  They don't tear up rotors, don't heat 
fade very much, and don't leave nasty black dust all over your wheels.

-Tony


At 06:52 AM 6/17/2007, you wrote:

>Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;
>
>After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
>over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
>our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
>remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
>how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
>paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.
>
>Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
>banned by now".
>
>(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
>a good reason, but I am no chemist.)
>
>BUT . . .
>
>Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
>replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
>the old products had most undesirable side-effects?
>
>Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
>out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
>substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
>thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
>and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
>became "acid free".
>
>Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
>now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
>cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
>worked very well.
>
>Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
>exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
>all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
>around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
>they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
>given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.
>
>My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
>ineffective.
>
>JW?
>
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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 01:20:27 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:20:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Austral Water Valve
In-Reply-To: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
Message-ID: <836624.20853.qm@web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Calling on all Aussies.
Before I set about making one has anyone got a spare
brass Austral water non return valve for sale.
it is off a 8hp, the brass block is 70 mm wide.

Thanks for looking

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz


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From kimmell at verizon.net  Mon Jun 18 03:01:06 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 05:01:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <004401c7b16e$b458dcf0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
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At 01:05 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause more evaporation so less
>water in the oceans its all theretical?? The climate is cyclic in another
>1000 years it will probably be an ice age then after another 1000yers it
>will be sausage just kidding. brent

Yeah but the liberals don't want to hear anything that might be close 
to "facts".  After all, liberals don't know what to do with FACTS!

-Tony



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jun 18 03:25:13 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:25:13 +0800
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com><98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net><004401c7b16e$b458dcf0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
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Who are these so called Liberals...........I get the impression that you do 
not see ''Eye to Eye '' with them.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!


> At 01:05 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>>Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause more evaporation so 
>>less
>>water in the oceans its all theretical?? The climate is cyclic in another
>>1000 years it will probably be an ice age then after another 1000yers it
>>will be sausage just kidding. brent
>
> Yeah but the liberals don't want to hear anything that might be close
> to "facts".  After all, liberals don't know what to do with FACTS!
>
> -Tony
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Mon Jun 18 04:47:15 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:47:15 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <0JJT009UMT7LOZR4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <002201c7b19e$6ae9ba00$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

There are so many red herrings in regard this whole global warming did you
know there has been technology around for the last 40 -50 years on
alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to the
environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by fuel
companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as they were
potentially damaging to there business.Some of these engines that ran on
water or special carbys that increased or simple mods done on moters they
most are patented.One of the areas i am interested in is steam cars i
suspected that the doble car could have really taken off given the
availability of new materials that are stronger and lighter its a pity that
more money wasnt put into there development.I like the concept of them very
few controls silent running water fumes out the exhaust in the early days of
steam cars they often werent allowed in hill climb races because they
outperformed the petrol cars of the day.Also one of the first land speed
records was held by a steam car back in 1906 or there abouts over 100mph The
latest car i have heard of is a multi fueled car that runs on compressed air
similar concept to the early hot air engines very high efficiency fuel
consumption has the potential to make new cars look like dinosaurs as so
efficient good thing it is like driving a normal car no loss in
power.Currently being produced in india.heres the link   
http://www.indranet.co.nz/ there is a movie of the actual engine they have
designed.Will be interesting to see whether it is allowed to get off the
ground most of these are shut down fairly quickly by those in power.
There are lots of alternatives out there to reduce global warming the
problem is we are told what they want us to believe.We dont have to.. 

    

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 10:01 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

At 01:05 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause more evaporation so less
>water in the oceans its all theretical?? The climate is cyclic in another
>1000 years it will probably be an ice age then after another 1000yers it
>will be sausage just kidding. brent

Yeah but the liberals don't want to hear anything that might be close 
to "facts".  After all, liberals don't know what to do with FACTS!

-Tony

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Mon Jun 18 05:02:32 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:02:32 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <0JJT009UMT7LOZR4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
	<98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>
	<004401c7b16e$b458dcf0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<0JJT009UMT7LOZR4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
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At the end of the day everyone is entitled to their opinion it is a
constitutional right in your country the problem is that the minority hold
the power you can call them liberals greenies whatever label but the stateof
the nation is such that the average person in the street is not heard any
more its happening here over the smacking bill for example i certainly dont
support child abuse but currently any parent who disciplines a child by
smacking can be arrested for breaking the law now the majority 75% of people
voted against it and it was still accepted by parliament its a mockery of
the system so where is the fairness or logic of that..Anyway enough of
politics my next speel includes conspiracy theorys ,new technology
breakthrough and the wonders of steam travel...    


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 10:01 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

At 01:05 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause more evaporation so less
>water in the oceans its all theretical?? The climate is cyclic in another
>1000 years it will probably be an ice age then after another 1000yers it
>will be sausage just kidding. brent

Yeah but the liberals don't want to hear anything that might be close 
to "facts".  After all, liberals don't know what to do with FACTS!

-Tony

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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 18 05:21:45 2007
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:21:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1182009602.26661.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-F40978EA705A1F73B76F56BC7130@phx.gbl>

Assuming that you have a worm gear box (you probably do) then Joe is 
correct.  Steam Cyl oil and worm gear oil are the same thing.  In the steam 
hobby sometimes we have to ask for worm gear oil when we are looking for 
steam cylinder oil.  Refineries are still making cyl oil for worm gear 
boxes.  There is not enough demand for cyl oil for steam engines to keep 
making it.  I would look for worm/steam cyl oil at an industial supply or 
oil jobber.

>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <84350.64373.qm at web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>I would use 600W steam cylinder oil in it. Worm gear boxes often are
>filled with it, which is the only reason it is still made.
>I see you posting on the rope making list. I subbed to it after I bought a
>rope maker at an auction. Now all I need to do is find the time to learn
>how to use it.I bought a book on it from Lehman's, and even read it, but
>that is as far as I got with it.
>Joe
>--- Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Howdy Folks,
> >   Would 80 wt gear lube be the right lube to put back in there?

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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 05:38:19 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 05:38:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <002b01c7b1a0$8d7f1c70$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <86709.2444.qm@web35409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There is a list that some of us are on called SLICK
that is where this belongs

Joining the Slick List is done by sending an email to:
 
slick-request at toltbbs.com
 
with only:
 
subscribe
 
in the subject and/or the body of the message.


Kerry


--- "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
wrote:

> At the end of the day everyone is entitled to their
> opinion it is a
> constitutional right in your country the problem is
> that the minority hold
> the power you can call them liberals greenies
> whatever label but the stateof
> the nation is such that the average person in the
> street is not heard any
> more its happening here over the smacking bill for
> example i certainly dont
> support child abuse but currently any parent who
> disciplines a child by
> smacking can be arrested for breaking the law now
> the majority 75% of people
> voted against it and it was still accepted by
> parliament its a mockery of
> the system so where is the fairness or logic of
> that..Anyway enough of
> politics my next speel includes conspiracy theorys
> ,new technology
> breakthrough and the wonders of steam travel...    
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On
> Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
> Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 10:01 p.m.
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
> 
> At 01:05 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
> >Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause
> more evaporation so less
> >water in the oceans its all theretical?? The
> climate is cyclic in another
> >1000 years it will probably be an ice age then
> after another 1000yers it
> >will be sausage just kidding. brent
> 
> Yeah but the liberals don't want to hear anything
> that might be close 
> to "facts".  After all, liberals don't know what to
> do with FACTS!
> 
> -Tony
> 
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun 18 06:16:34 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:16:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Interesting Paint Job at Coolspring
In-Reply-To: <032001c7b0f5$f8a5a5b0$3a52bc4c@pengy>
References: <032001c7b0f5$f8a5a5b0$3a52bc4c@pengy>
Message-ID: <467685B2.2070704@imc-group.com>

Rick,
What came to mind when I looked at the picture is a paint called cast 
iron paint. That's available in a spray bomb. It looks like it was then 
sprayed with a durable clear coat .
Curt

Rick Rowlands wrote:
> I saw this Reid while at Coolspring.  
>
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2670059790033749120XjeiTw
>
> I didn't get a chance to ask the owner of the engine how he managed to get this type of finish.  It doesn't look like traditional paint, it looks more like the graphite coating that is used on steam locomotive smokeboxes.  Anyone have an idea as to how this finish can be achieved? 
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Foundation
> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH 44505
> 330-272-4089
> www.todengine.org
>
>
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>
>   



From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 18 06:18:35 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:18:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au><032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>
	<002d01c7b117$c8206980$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <005201c7b1ab$2d9baed0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Get some Greased lightning at your local grocery  store. It only takes a 
minute and the grease just washes off, all of it. They even have some orange 
which you canuse on painted surfaces. it removes old ploish so you can apply 
new. It says to not use on aluminum but it does'nt seem to bother it as the 
action only takes a few minutes to work.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!


JW Couldnt agree with you more i still am looking for a good alternative for
cleaning the gunk off old moters that are caked in layers of grease even
steam cleaning doent remove all the grease still have to pick it off with a
scaper and wash down with petrol.Have tried  modern citrus flavours cleaners
it just doesnt work unless you leave parts soaking for a while not always
practical.Speaking of paints i recently came across an old tin of roof paint
never been opened i think made late 40s-50s the red barn type variety after
stirring it up you could see it had white lead and linseed oil and red
pigments but it is the best paint to work with i painted an old truck cab
its slow drying easy to touch up i brush painted cant see the brush marks
can see the grinding marks underneath though and covers brilliantly.That was
the only paint i had but it looks really good these paints were more in
keeping with the old coach paints which were more linseed oil based i have
recipes on different paints.
Its interesting but did you realise if the ice melts thats in the sea the
water level will drop its a proven fact that ice occupies more room than
water.It puzzles me that people dont realise this....brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 3:54 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Products were initially developed without consideration for health effects.
The most suitable material was found to do a certain task and that was it.
Now that "health effects" are factored in those products found most suitable

must now be judged by their supposed health impacts.  Compromises must be
made and part of the compromise is that the products no longer work as well
as they did.  The other compromise is that they are more expensive. Seems
like all the compromising is being done by the consumer!

We must all remember that the environmental movement sees humanity as a
blight on the earth.  Their ultimate goal is to see humanity either
destroyed or revert to pre industrial revolution status. If you view their
actions in that context then what they do makes sense. You then see that
they practice incrementalism and are very patient in reaching their goals.

Rick

P.S.  Who is to say that global warming is a bad thing?  Greenland was named

GREENland for a reason.  Go there today and you will not see much green.  I
think we're still living in the effects of the last global cooling.

P.P.S.  Who is to say that the current climate is the optimal climate for
the Earth?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!



Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;

After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.

Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
banned by now".

(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
a good reason, but I am no chemist.)

BUT . . .

Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
the old products had most undesirable side-effects?

Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
became "acid free".

Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
worked very well.

Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.

My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
ineffective.

JW?

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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 18 07:24:05 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:24:05 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <002201c7b19e$6ae9ba00$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
	<98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>
	<004401c7b16e$b458dcf0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<0JJT009UMT7LOZR4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
	<002201c7b19e$6ae9ba00$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <9873AF8B-D90C-4980-8459-31E3773566FE@rustyiron.com>


> there has been technology around for the last 40 -50 years on
> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to the
> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by  
> fuel
> companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as  
> they were
> potentially damaging to there business.


Brent,
Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head  
and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the  
List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling you  
out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.

You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of the  
top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).

1.  Name the technology.

2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,  
the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw  
materials to energy.

3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.

4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?

5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent YOU  
from utilizing these technologies.

There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will  
surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to  
enlighten us with facts.

Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em  
thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your  
contentions.

Rob






From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Jun 18 07:41:17 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:41:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Interesting Paint Job at Coolspring
In-Reply-To: <467685B2.2070704@imc-group.com>
References: <032001c7b0f5$f8a5a5b0$3a52bc4c@pengy>
	<467685B2.2070704@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <4676998D.1090000@telenet.net>

Yep, the stuff that Eastwood http://www.eastwoodco.com
sells as Spray Gray looks like that if you shoot clear over it.

Curt wrote:
> Rick,
> What came to mind when I looked at the picture is a paint called cast 
> iron paint. That's available in a spray bomb. It looks like it was then 
> sprayed with a durable clear coat .
> Curt
> 
> Rick Rowlands wrote:
>> I saw this Reid while at Coolspring.  
>>
>> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2670059790033749120XjeiTw
>>
>> I didn't get a chance to ask the owner of the engine how he managed to get this type of finish.  It doesn't look like traditional paint, it looks more like the graphite coating that is used on steam locomotive smokeboxes.  Anyone have an idea as to how this finish can be achieved? 
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> Tod Engine Foundation
>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>> Youngstown, OH 44505
>> 330-272-4089
>> www.todengine.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>   


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 18 08:34:54 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:34:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <9873AF8B-D90C-4980-8459-31E3773566FE@rustyiron.com>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
	<98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>
	<004401c7b16e$b458dcf0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<0JJT009UMT7LOZR4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
	<002201c7b19e$6ae9ba00$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<9873AF8B-D90C-4980-8459-31E3773566FE@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181126180.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>

Rob,

Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can possibly
comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...

Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the ability
to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be secret
technologies now would they?

A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take this
thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, I've cc'd
Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription info
for those willing to jump into the pool.

How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased by
Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
So much to discuss...  So little time...

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:

> > there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
> > alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to the
> > environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by
> > fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as
> > they were potentially damaging to there business.
>
> Brent,
> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head
> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling you
> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
>
> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of the
> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
>
> 1.  Name the technology.
>
> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,
> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
> materials to energy.
>
> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
>
> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
>
> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent YOU
> from utilizing these technologies.
>
> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will
> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
> enlighten us with facts.
>
> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
> contentions.



From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Mon Jun 18 08:01:21 2007
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:01:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <9873AF8B-D90C-4980-8459-31E3773566FE@rustyiron.com>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
	<98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>
	<004401c7b16e$b458dcf0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<0JJT009UMT7LOZR4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
	<002201c7b19e$6ae9ba00$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<9873AF8B-D90C-4980-8459-31E3773566FE@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <web-431604667@mail.hal-pc.org>

Rob,

I hope you aren't holding your breath waiting for anything of 
substance here.

tom

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:24:05 -0700
  Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> 
>> there has been technology around for the last 40 -50 years on
>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to 
>>the
>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by 
>> 
>> fuel
>> companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as  
>> they were
>> potentially damaging to there business.
> 
> 
> Brent,
> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head 
> 
> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the  
> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling 
>you  
> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
> 
> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of 
>the  
> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
> 
> 1.  Name the technology.
> 
> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power, 
> 
> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw  
> materials to energy.
> 
> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
> 
> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
> 
> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent 
>YOU  
> from utilizing these technologies.
> 
> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will 
> 
> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to  
> enlighten us with facts.
> 
> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em  
> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your  
> contentions.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 18 08:12:53 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181126180.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both companies!

Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.

We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy Converter.
No plans on releasing it as yet.


See ya,
Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#


On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Rob,
> 
> Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can possibly
> comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
> 
> Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the ability
> to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be secret
> technologies now would they?
> 
> A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take this
> thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, I've cc'd
> Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription info
> for those willing to jump into the pool.
> 
> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased by
> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
> So much to discuss...  So little time...
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
> 
>>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
>>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to the
>>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by
>>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as
>>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
>> 
>> Brent,
>> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head
>> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
>> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling you
>> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
>> 
>> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of the
>> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
>> 
>> 1.  Name the technology.
>> 
>> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,
>> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
>> materials to energy.
>> 
>> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
>> 
>> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
>> 
>> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent YOU
>> from utilizing these technologies.
>> 
>> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will
>> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
>> enlighten us with facts.
>> 
>> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
>> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
>> contentions.
> 
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun 18 08:17:23 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:17:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw/info wanted on steam lube vs.
 regular lube.
In-Reply-To: <BAY141-F40978EA705A1F73B76F56BC7130@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY141-F40978EA705A1F73B76F56BC7130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4676A203.3070601@imc-group.com>

Andy,
Since you are a notable steam guru (enjoyed hearing your steamer belted 
to the fans at Evansville!) could you enlighten us on what makes a steam 
cylinder oil vs. regular old oil? I've wondered about this since my 
early days playing with a Wilesco steam engine. Does steam oil need to 
be misable (sp?) with water to be effective in a steam engine? Or is 
that the last quality you want as the steam would wash the oil out? Does 
steam oil have tackifiers in it to keep it "stuck" to the cylinder 
walls? I do recall reading old engine manuals, and I recall them being 
very specific about NOT using steam cylinder oil in the cylinder drip 
oiler. I'd really appreciate knowing what makes each unique.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Andy Glines wrote:
> Assuming that you have a worm gear box (you probably do) then Joe is 
> correct. Steam Cyl oil and worm gear oil are the same thing. In the 
> steam hobby sometimes we have to ask for worm gear oil when we are 
> looking for steam cylinder oil. Refineries are still making cyl oil 
> for worm gear boxes. There is not enough demand for cyl oil for steam 
> engines to keep making it. I would look for worm/steam cyl oil at an 
> industial supply or oil jobber.
>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Message-ID: <84350.64373.qm at web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> I would use 600W steam cylinder oil in it. Worm gear boxes often are
>> filled with it, which is the only reason it is still made.
>> I see you posting on the rope making list. I subbed to it after I 
>> bought a
>> rope maker at an auction. Now all I need to do is find the time to learn
>> how to use it.I bought a book on it from Lehman's, and even read it, but
>> that is as far as I got with it.
>> Joe
>> --- Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Howdy Folks,
>> > Would 80 wt gear lube be the right lube to put back in there?
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 18 09:16:35 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:16:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181212220.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>

Dear Big Oil Bit%#:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:

> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both companies!

Its GOOD to be da king...

> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy Converter.
> No plans on releasing it as yet.

BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a few
bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
8-))

See ya,  Arnie

> See ya,
> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#

> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased by
> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)



From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 18 08:45:40 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:45:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
References: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181212220.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel subject for a degreaser 
( not an immigration slur) that is readily available to get grease off old 
engines? Huh?
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent


> Dear Big Oil Bit%#:
>
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>
>> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both 
>> companies!
>
> Its GOOD to be da king...
>
>> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy 
>> Converter.
>> No plans on releasing it as yet.
>
> BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
> graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a few
> bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
> 8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>> See ya,
>> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>
>> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased 
>> > by
>> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 18 09:34:18 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:34:18 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
References: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181212220.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <B7F6DF9D-5E08-4C09-BBEF-0B077F6F23A9@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 18, 2007, at 8:45 AM, Skip Cleveland wrote:

> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel
> subject for a degreaser ( not an immigration slur) that
> is readily available to get grease off old engines? Huh?
> Skip

Hi Skip,
Yes, some one noticed.  For thick goop, a scraper works nice, plastic  
if you want to be kind to what lies beneath.

For seriously heavy cleaning, nothing beats gasoline and a scrub  
brush.  The downside is that it stains your clothes, your skin, and  
if you blow up, it's very unpleasant.

For my day to day cleaning, I'm sold on Simple Green Crystal.  It's  
clear and doesn't have the fragrance as the green colored stuff.  It  
cleans up everything from heavy gear oil, to light dirt, all without  
damaging paint.  What's amazing is that it's not hazardous to your  
health, yet it works so well.

Rob









From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 18 11:13:17 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:13:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F36ED84518FBE927B9D180495130@phx.gbl>

Isn't it strange that we've heard nothing from Mike"Big Oil"Royster? Maybe 
he bought up some of those patents himself !  Probably why he wasn't in Cool 
Spring with the rest of us, he was researching patents that might steal some 
of his profits.  Look out Kelley !
                           Steve the good Royster!


>From: Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "slick at toltbbs.com" <slick at toltbbs.com>,        SEL 
><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
>
>Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both companies!
>
>Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.
>
>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy 
>Converter.
>No plans on releasing it as yet.
>
>
>See ya,
>Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>
>
>On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
> > Rob,
> >
> > Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can possibly
> > comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
> >
> > Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the 
>ability
> > to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be secret
> > technologies now would they?
> >
> > A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take this
> > thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, I've 
>cc'd
> > Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription info
> > for those willing to jump into the pool.
> >
> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased 
>by
> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
> > So much to discuss...  So little time...
> >
> > See ya,  Arnie
> >
> > Arnie Fero
> > Pittsburgh, PA
> > fero_ah at city-net.com
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
> >
> >>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
> >>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to the
> >>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by
> >>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as
> >>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
> >>
> >> Brent,
> >> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head
> >> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
> >> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling you
> >> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
> >>
> >> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of the
> >> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
> >>
> >> 1.  Name the technology.
> >>
> >> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,
> >> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
> >> materials to energy.
> >>
> >> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
> >>
> >> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
> >>
> >> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent YOU
> >> from utilizing these technologies.
> >>
> >> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will
> >> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
> >> enlighten us with facts.
> >>
> >> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
> >> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
> >> contentions.
> >
> > To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to slick-request at toltbbs.com
> > with the word "LEAVE"  in the Subject, with no other text. No SIGs!
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 18 11:33:03 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:33:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need address
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F36ED84518FBE927B9D180495130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F24CFD00FE489CFA6978EFC95130@phx.gbl>

Help! I need Mike O'Malley's e-mail address if anyone has it. Thanks , steve


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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 18 12:26:00 2007
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:26:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw/info wanted on steam lube vs.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1182182402.14370.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-F338C12C3EF57541D5BA42FC7130@phx.gbl>

Thanks to all of the SEL folks who attended the Classic Iron show.  Sorry 
that I didn't get over to visit much.  I did manage to keep pretty busy 
though.  I would be careful about using words like "notable" and "guru" when 
referring to me if I were you.  As explained to me at the Pawnee Steam 
School, the primary thing that makes Steam Cylinder Oil special is the 
addition of animal fat to the formula.  Beef tallow is usually used.  The 
addition of the tallow allows the oil to emulsify with the steam.  Cyl oil 
is injected ahead of the throttle.  Injecting the oil here allows it to 
lubricate the throttle valve, governor, slide valve, and piston.  One of the 
ways that we confirm that oil is being injected and emulisified is to check 
the condensate from the cylinder cocks.  Condensate should be milky and look 
like coffee with a lot of creamer in it.
>Message: 30
>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:17:23 -0400
>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw/info wanted on steam
>	lube vs. regular lube.

>Andy,
>Since you are a notable steam guru (enjoyed hearing your steamer belted
>to the fans at Evansville!) could you enlighten us on what makes a steam
>cylinder oil vs. regular old oil? I've wondered about this since my
>early days playing with a Wilesco steam engine. Does steam oil need to
>be misable (sp?) with water to be effective in a steam engine? Or is
>that the last quality you want as the steam would wash the oil out? Does
>steam oil have tackifiers in it to keep it "stuck" to the cylinder
>walls? I do recall reading old engine manuals, and I recall them being
>very specific about NOT using steam cylinder oil in the cylinder drip
>oiler. I'd really appreciate knowing what makes each unique.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>Andy Glines wrote:
> > Assuming that you have a worm gear box (you probably do) then Joe is
> > correct. Steam Cyl oil and worm gear oil are the same thing. In the
> > steam hobby sometimes we have to ask for worm gear oil when we are
> > looking for steam cylinder oil. Refineries are still making cyl oil
> > for worm gear boxes. There is not enough demand for cyl oil for steam
> > engines to keep making it. I would look for worm/steam cyl oil at an
> > industial supply or oil jobber.

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Mon Jun 18 12:38:19 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:38:19 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <86709.2444.qm@web35409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <002b01c7b1a0$8d7f1c70$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<86709.2444.qm@web35409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005501c7b1e0$398f6d00$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Thanks...brent

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Morris
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:38 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

There is a list that some of us are on called SLICK
that is where this belongs

Joining the Slick List is done by sending an email to:
 
slick-request at toltbbs.com
 
with only:
 
subscribe
 
in the subject and/or the body of the message.


Kerry


--- "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
wrote:

> At the end of the day everyone is entitled to their
> opinion it is a
> constitutional right in your country the problem is
> that the minority hold
> the power you can call them liberals greenies
> whatever label but the stateof
> the nation is such that the average person in the
> street is not heard any
> more its happening here over the smacking bill for
> example i certainly dont
> support child abuse but currently any parent who
> disciplines a child by
> smacking can be arrested for breaking the law now
> the majority 75% of people
> voted against it and it was still accepted by
> parliament its a mockery of
> the system so where is the fairness or logic of
> that..Anyway enough of
> politics my next speel includes conspiracy theorys
> ,new technology
> breakthrough and the wonders of steam travel...    
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On
> Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
> Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 10:01 p.m.
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
> 
> At 01:05 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
> >Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause
> more evaporation so less
> >water in the oceans its all theretical?? The
> climate is cyclic in another
> >1000 years it will probably be an ice age then
> after another 1000yers it
> >will be sausage just kidding. brent
> 
> Yeah but the liberals don't want to hear anything
> that might be close 
> to "facts".  After all, liberals don't know what to
> do with FACTS!
> 
> -Tony
> 
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 18 13:55:40 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:55:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <C29C3F5C.1C80C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Degreaser.  Use Easy Off oven cleaner.  If you want to keep the paint, do
not let it sit too long.

There used to be a bunch of great petroleum products that were a fine
degreaser.  Too bad they have been removed from the market 'cause people
didn't wear gloves and then sued due to their health problems (whether it
was from the product or not (or other stoopidity factors such as constant
inhalation without proper ventilation, flammability issues - think Wile E.
Coyote, etc)


On 6/18/07 8:45 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel subject for a degreaser
> ( not an immigration slur) that is readily available to get grease off old
> engines? Huh?
> Skip
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: <slick at toltbbs.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> 
> 
>> Dear Big Oil Bit%#:
>> 
>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>> 
>>> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>>> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>>> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
>>> companies!
>> 
>> Its GOOD to be da king...
>> 
>>> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>>> Converter.
>>> No plans on releasing it as yet.
>> 
>> BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
>> graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a few
>> bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
>> 8-))
>> 
>> See ya,  Arnie
>> 
>>> See ya,
>>> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>> 
>>> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>>> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased
>>>> by
>>>> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>> 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jun 18 15:44:47 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:44:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070618010245.02eff730@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
	<751957.74668.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070615220311.01cceca8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070617233551.02efd740@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<4676054A.6040401@scrtc.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070618010245.02eff730@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070618174206.01ed45a8@mail.alltel.net>

To make a long story short and true, the roller operator attempted to shift 
gears going up hill. He got the roller out of one gear but was not able to 
get it in another. The roller has no breaks, thus it rolled down hill and 
into the ditch. Damn lucky no one was hurt or killed!
         Dave

At 12:14 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>To make a long story short and simple,  the roller got stuck in the deep
>ditch on the way up the hill to the Snow construction site. And with
>something as large and heavy as a roller combined with a deep ditch its not
>a simple chain a tractor to it and drag it out kinda operation. And to make
>matters worse the clutch on the D8 was acting up due to lack of use and
>took some effort by the boys to get it working well enough to
>use.       TTYL,  Mark
>
>
>
>At 12:08 AM 6/18/07, you wrote:
> >Mark,
> >     I didn't hear about the roller mishap.  What happened?  It was
> >rolling around the grounds when I left on Friday.
> >
> >Tommy Turner
> >Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> > >For those of you who seen it, The Buffalo Springfield roller is out of the
> > >ditch and back into its barn safe and sound with no apparent damage. Just
> > >some scraped paint to the undercarriage. Can't say the same for a few 
> trees
> > >though, GRINNNN.  After its extracation from the low lands it was checked
> > >over thoroughly and it was deemed safe to fire it up and it was driven to
> > >the barn under its own power like nothing ever happened. The 
> extraction was
> > >accomplished with the Museums Military duce and a half wrecker and the Cat
> > >D8 and a crew of dedicated workers.  Four hours total work. Alls well that
> > >ends well.                      Mark
> > >
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Mon Jun 18 15:23:48 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:23:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181126180.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0JJU00BKARKN47D8@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

At 10:12 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy Converter.
>No plans on releasing it as yet.


You mean I won't be able to one day run my DeLorean on banana peels 
and beer cans???  You guys are such a buzz-kill...

-Tony



From mtnviewfarm at hughes.net  Mon Jun 18 16:44:16 2007
From: mtnviewfarm at hughes.net (mtnviewfarm)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:44:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <00b001c7b202$9970e560$0500a8c0@Hugh>

reply


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Mon Jun 18 17:30:29 2007
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:30:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
Message-ID: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>

I was recently at a show next to a hot air engine with lots of linkage.  The owner and I got to talking and we wound up with a oil question.  
when the linkage is oiled it later weeps out black even though their is no combustion nearby and it is in a clean location.  The things that were lubed were a steel pin through a brass link. Why does the oil turn black when dirt does not appear to be a factor?  

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net


From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Jun 18 17:36:09 2007
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:36:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
Message-ID: <d60.ab8a994.33a87ef9@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/18/2007 7:31:26 PM Central Daylight Time, 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes:

Why does the oil turn black when dirt does not appear to be a factor? 

Hi Jim,
I will speculate that when metal is broken down to the molecular level and is 
in the oil, it absorbs rather than reflects light.  Consider how when you are 
polishing brass or aluminum that the polishing rag turns black no matter the 
color of the metal you are polishing.  Polishing removes minute amounts of 
metal smoothing the surface and improving the reflective quality.
 
Your mileage may vary.
 
Regards,
Ron Carroll
 
 
 



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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Mon Jun 18 17:46:49 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:46:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need address
References: <BAY144-F24CFD00FE489CFA6978EFC95130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000801c7b20b$53ae8880$4de7123f@D8LJ7K91>

Steve,

Mike O'Malley's email is harvardpower at aol.com

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need address


> Help! I need Mike O'Malley's e-mail address if anyone has it. Thanks , 
> steve
>
>
>>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jun 18 18:52:54 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:52:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
In-Reply-To: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
References: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070618204712.01ee9cf0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Jim,
         I once asked the same question to an old oil man, John Fankhauser. 
Knowing that I was totally ignorant of chemistry (unlike Twin) he was clear 
and succinct in his answer. He simply said "It's magic!"
         Dave
PS, Hope this helps!

At 07:30 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>I was recently at a show next to a hot air engine with lots of 
>linkage.  The owner and I got to talking and we wound up with a oil question.
>when the linkage is oiled it later weeps out black even though their is no 
>combustion nearby and it is in a clean location.  The things that were 
>lubed were a steel pin through a brass link. Why does the oil turn black 
>when dirt does not appear to be a factor?
>Jim and Diane Kirkes



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jun 18 18:26:18 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:26:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
In-Reply-To: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
References: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <2464ddf1de0c515570d5f8433cd57ff2@chartertn.net>

Jim, this typically happens when the oil is working in boundary layer 
lubrication conditions. The metal parts are separated by a film of oil, 
but the microscopic peaks of the metal surfaces protrude through the 
oil and come in contact with each other, causing friction and tiny 
pieces of metal breaking off and going into suspension in the oil. 
Those suspended particles look black. They also act as oxidizing 
catalysts producing pigmented hydrocarbon derivatives, and if the 
moving parts have much pressure on them, the opposing peaks weld 
together momentarily and break apart producing localized hot spots that 
can produce free carbon and metallic carbides. Really hot.

A graduate of Bob's Quantum School of Mechanics might be able to 
mathematically explain the intense local concentration of heat in 
relatively cool running bearings (think of the application of the total 
frictional heat dissipation over the vanishingly tiny part of the total 
area that's actually occupied by these tiny peaks and you'd be on the 
right track), but John Fankhauser's "Magic" explanation works quite 
well enough.

John

On Jun 18, 2007, at 8:30 PM, JIM KIRKES wrote:

> I was recently at a show next to a hot air engine with lots of 
> linkage.  The owner and I got to talking and we wound up with a oil 
> question.
> when the linkage is oiled it later weeps out black even though their 
> is no combustion nearby and it is in a clean location.  The things 
> that were lubed were a steel pin through a brass link. Why does the 
> oil turn black when dirt does not appear to be a factor?
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jun 18 19:04:11 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:04:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
References: <BAY144-F36ED84518FBE927B9D180495130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003601c7b216$21710c70$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Okay, okay!   It's true I am part of the "big oil consortium" and we do sit 
around in smoke filled rooms drinking 100 year old scotch and planning your 
demise.  Just last week, a young fellow brought in an engine that ran on bad 
information!  OH MY GOSH!  Do you know how much bad information is out 
there?  Did you know it is FREE?  Well me and the boys quickly called our 
connections at Black Op, and before you can say 99 cent regular, we did the 
stop, drop and roll drill and he was part of the new bridge on the I-95 
connector.

I'd like to tell you more, but then I'd have to ki--, well, you know the 
drill.

Sleep tight,  I'm putting regular in the premium tank tomorrow!!  You'll 
never know!  Oh my gosh, I just kill me!!!!!!!!

Steve (the bad) Royster


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent


> Isn't it strange that we've heard nothing from Mike"Big Oil"Royster? Maybe
> he bought up some of those patents himself !  Probably why he wasn't in 
> Cool
> Spring with the rest of us, he was researching patents that might steal 
> some
> of his profits.  Look out Kelley !
>                           Steve the good Royster!
>
>
>>From: Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: "slick at toltbbs.com" <slick at toltbbs.com>,        SEL
>><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
>>
>>Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>>It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>>Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both 
>>companies!
>>
>>Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.
>>
>>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>>Converter.
>>No plans on releasing it as yet.
>>
>>
>>See ya,
>>Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>>
>>
>>On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Rob,
>> >
>> > Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can possibly
>> > comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
>> >
>> > Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the
>>ability
>> > to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be secret
>> > technologies now would they?
>> >
>> > A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take this
>> > thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, I've
>>cc'd
>> > Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription 
>> > info
>> > for those willing to jump into the pool.
>> >
>> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased
>>by
>> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>> > So much to discuss...  So little time...
>> >
>> > See ya,  Arnie
>> >
>> > Arnie Fero
>> > Pittsburgh, PA
>> > fero_ah at city-net.com
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
>> >
>> >>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
>> >>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to 
>> >>> the
>> >>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by
>> >>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as
>> >>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
>> >>
>> >> Brent,
>> >> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head
>> >> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
>> >> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling you
>> >> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
>> >>
>> >> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of the
>> >> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
>> >>
>> >> 1.  Name the technology.
>> >>
>> >> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,
>> >> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
>> >> materials to energy.
>> >>
>> >> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
>> >>
>> >> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
>> >>
>> >> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent YOU
>> >> from utilizing these technologies.
>> >>
>> >> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will
>> >> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
>> >> enlighten us with facts.
>> >>
>> >> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
>> >> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
>> >> contentions.
>> >
>> > To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to slick-request at toltbbs.com
>> > with the word "LEAVE"  in the Subject, with no other text. No SIGs!
>>
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 18:51:13 2007
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:51:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw/info wanted on steam lube vs.
In-Reply-To: <BAY141-F338C12C3EF57541D5BA42FC7130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <890652.13756.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Curt,
I am surprised that you had not encountered steam cylinder oil in worm
gear boxes. A good treatise on the subject can be found here:
http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/misc/steam-oil-hwade.htm

Many of the steam cylinder oils now offered are blended with a "synthetic
tallow" instead of animal fat. For the stationary engines, I actually
prefer 460w since it feeds easier through a hydrostatic lubricator at the
lower pressures we run. Most girder frame and bayonet frame corliss
engines were made to run at 80 to 100 psi, it was not until the late
1890's that pressures crept past 100 psi. We like to run about 50 psi
since they don't release quite as early and are a little less violent in
their motion. Conoco Inca-Oil 460 is the brand I prefer.

Mobil 600w steam cylinder oil can be purchased in quarts and gallons from
Motion Industries, a chain of industrial supply stores located throughout
the country and formerly known as Wisconsin Bearing. I get all my
bearings, belting, oils and greases through them. I also buy babbit bars
and bronze bushings from them. Ask for the "Boston Bronze" catalog which
features finished and semi-finished bronze bushings from the Boston Gear
Co., usually I can buy a finished bushing for less than it would cost me
for a cored chunk of bearing bronze from which to turn one.

Next, have you heard of DTE? Dynamo, Engine and Turbine oil? Something
else pretty common in industry that is a bit of a throwback to the
Edwardian era.

Joe


Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
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From JR504 at aol.com  Mon Jun 18 19:18:44 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:18:44 EDT
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
Message-ID: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>

 
It's funny you say that.  I was giving a talk on Biodiesel at a  regional 
alternative energy fair and there was a guy there promoting a system  that uses 
the alternator to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, and then  plumbs it at 
low pressure into the intake manifold, claiming power and mileage  benefits.  
When I questioned how the tailpipe emissions could  possibly be oxygen (my 
combustion chemistry must be getting fuzzy) he got  pretty cranky.  He bashed my 
lack of vision saying I was the kind of guy  that stood in the way of energy 
progress.  Well, I ended up saying that I  had a vision of a car that ran on 
grass clippings and emitted ice cream (to  consume on the trip, you know)...but 
that didn't mean it could happen  someday.  As you might imagine, we're not 
buddies now.  
As long as there are people to listen, there will be people talking about  
free energy and 100 MPG carburetors.  Hopefully us nay-sayers and  repressors 
don't discourage someone from inventing the REAL flux capacitor.  :-)
 
Joe
 
In a message dated 6/18/2007 6:32:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kimmell at verizon.net writes:

You mean  I won't be able to one day run my DeLorean on banana peels 
and beer  cans???  You guys are such a  buzz-kill...

-Tony







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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun 18 19:19:22 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:19:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
References: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <03b401c7b218$425b2fe0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Its all that free carbon we are causing by existing!!!
It just gets everywhere!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JIM KIRKES" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question


>I was recently at a show next to a hot air engine with lots of linkage. 
>The owner and I got to talking and we wound up with a oil question.
> when the linkage is oiled it later weeps out black even though their is no 
> combustion nearby and it is in a clean location.  The things that were 
> lubed were a steel pin through a brass link. Why does the oil turn black 
> when dirt does not appear to be a factor?
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 18 20:02:24 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:02:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
Message-ID: <410-2200762193224968@earthlink.net>

Very interesting Steve, now tell me the truth about what happened to my
Perpetual Motion Engine that you borrowed for research?

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/18/2007 9:12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>
> Okay, okay!   It's true I am part of the "big oil consortium" and we do
sit 
> around in smoke filled rooms drinking 100 year old scotch and planning
your 
> demise.  Just last week, a young fellow brought in an engine that ran on
bad 
> information!  OH MY GOSH!  Do you know how much bad information is out 
> there?  Did you know it is FREE?  Well me and the boys quickly called our 
> connections at Black Op, and before you can say 99 cent regular, we did
the 
> stop, drop and roll drill and he was part of the new bridge on the I-95 
> connector.
>
> I'd like to tell you more, but then I'd have to ki--, well, you know the 
> drill.
>
> Sleep tight,  I'm putting regular in the premium tank tomorrow!!  You'll 
> never know!  Oh my gosh, I just kill me!!!!!!!!
>
> Steve (the bad) Royster
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>
>
> > Isn't it strange that we've heard nothing from Mike"Big Oil"Royster?
Maybe
> > he bought up some of those patents himself !  Probably why he wasn't in 
> > Cool
> > Spring with the rest of us, he was researching patents that might steal 
> > some
> > of his profits.  Look out Kelley !
> >                           Steve the good Royster!
> >
> >
> >>From: Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
> >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>To: "slick at toltbbs.com" <slick at toltbbs.com>,        SEL
> >><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> >>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
> >>
> >>Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
> >>It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
> >>Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both 
> >>companies!
> >>
> >>Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.
> >>
> >>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
> >>Converter.
> >>No plans on releasing it as yet.
> >>
> >>
> >>See ya,
> >>Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
> >>
> >>
> >>On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Rob,
> >> >
> >> > Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can possibly
> >> > comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
> >> >
> >> > Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the
> >>ability
> >> > to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be
secret
> >> > technologies now would they?
> >> >
> >> > A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take
this
> >> > thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, I've
> >>cc'd
> >> > Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription 
> >> > info
> >> > for those willing to jump into the pool.
> >> >
> >> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline? 
(Purchased
> >>by
> >> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
> >> > So much to discuss...  So little time...
> >> >
> >> > See ya,  Arnie
> >> >
> >> > Arnie Fero
> >> > Pittsburgh, PA
> >> > fero_ah at city-net.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
> >> >>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to 
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by
> >> >>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government
as
> >> >>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
> >> >>
> >> >> Brent,
> >> >> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head
> >> >> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
> >> >> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling
you
> >> >> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
> >> >>
> >> >> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of
the
> >> >> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
> >> >>
> >> >> 1.  Name the technology.
> >> >>
> >> >> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,
> >> >> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
> >> >> materials to energy.
> >> >>
> >> >> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
> >> >>
> >> >> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
> >> >>
> >> >> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent
YOU
> >> >> from utilizing these technologies.
> >> >>
> >> >> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will
> >> >> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
> >> >> enlighten us with facts.
> >> >>
> >> >> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
> >> >> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
> >> >> contentions.
> >> >
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jun 18 20:13:52 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:13:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
References: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
Message-ID: <369f34f3315a1f5b0cb75dd4ff28f037@chartertn.net>

Well, at any rate, I plan to go to North Myrtle Beach in August and 
produce some transient rises in the sea level.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jun 18 20:18:20 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:18:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
In-Reply-To: <03b401c7b218$425b2fe0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
	<03b401c7b218$425b2fe0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <a665b4771c0a3163fa083f2920ca86d9@chartertn.net>

Free carbon? Caused by existing? You've gone to talking about those 
diamonds on the pretty women, now haven't you, Reg?

(Nobody's giving me any free carbon just for existing.) :-(

John

On Jun 18, 2007, at 10:19 PM, R & M Ingold wrote:

> Its all that free carbon we are causing by existing!!!
> It just gets everywhere!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jun 18 21:25:51 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:25:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -
Message-ID: <bc1.161e1ee3.33a8b4cf@aol.com>

 
Hi List,
This has been a very interesting thread.  It reminds me of  a tale about a 
joke played on a fellow worker at Convair at  Lancaster, California in 1958.  
This gentleman purchased a new Nash  Metropolitan.  It was a small two passenger 
automobile.  He bought it  for gas mileage and to drive to work.  The Convair 
facilities were located  at Air force Plant 42 located several miles from 
Lancaster, California.   This person bragged so much about how cheap this car was 
on gas that the rest of  his fellow workers decided he needed to be taught a 
lesson.  One of the fellow workers suggested that several  people chip in and 
buy some gasoline to put in his new car to really increase  his "gas mileage" 
without his knowledge.  Yes, it was  decided (about 10 or 12 people 
participated) to do  it.  As more gasoline was slipped into his fuel tank, the more he  
bragged about getting excellent mileage.
About this time stories of the hi-mileage per gallon  carburetors were 
circulating among the public.  With the extra  gasoline being put into this 
braggart's Metropolitan, he was  experiencing some great mileage in comparison to what 
other Metropolitan owners  were getting.  The jokesters start telling him 
that Nash had made a mistake  and accidentally installed one of these carburetors 
on his car.  In those  days, new cars had to be returned to the dealership at 
500 miles to change the  oil.  When this person took his Metropolitan to the 
dealer for the oil  change and minor adjustments, the jokesters stopped 
putting extra gas  in his car.  Needless to say, when the mileage went down 
drastically, he  started to complain to the dealer and the factory representative.  
The  jokesters kept egging him on by saying that the dealer was probably  
directed by the factory to exchange the carburetor as the factory made a error  on 
his car by installing this high mileage producing carburetor during  assembly.  
 
Since I can't validate if this narrative is true,  I call it  fairy tale.
 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca





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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Mon Jun 18 23:47:00 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:47:00 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <005201c7b1ab$2d9baed0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
	<032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>
	<002d01c7b117$c8206980$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<005201c7b1ab$2d9baed0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <00aa01c7b23d$a394dde0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

The product sounds really good not one i have heard of here what active does
it use to remove the grease as maybe able to use something equivalent have
tried various agents from solvents to alkaline agents.Varying results the
best i found so far is the solvents but open to new ideas the greased
lightening sounds great.thanks skip.  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Skip Cleveland
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 1:19 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Get some Greased lightning at your local grocery  store. It only takes a 
minute and the grease just washes off, all of it. They even have some orange

which you canuse on painted surfaces. it removes old ploish so you can apply

new. It says to not use on aluminum but it does'nt seem to bother it as the 
action only takes a few minutes to work.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!


JW Couldnt agree with you more i still am looking for a good alternative for
cleaning the gunk off old moters that are caked in layers of grease even
steam cleaning doent remove all the grease still have to pick it off with a
scaper and wash down with petrol.Have tried  modern citrus flavours cleaners
it just doesnt work unless you leave parts soaking for a while not always
practical.Speaking of paints i recently came across an old tin of roof paint
never been opened i think made late 40s-50s the red barn type variety after
stirring it up you could see it had white lead and linseed oil and red
pigments but it is the best paint to work with i painted an old truck cab
its slow drying easy to touch up i brush painted cant see the brush marks
can see the grinding marks underneath though and covers brilliantly.That was
the only paint i had but it looks really good these paints were more in
keeping with the old coach paints which were more linseed oil based i have
recipes on different paints.
Its interesting but did you realise if the ice melts thats in the sea the
water level will drop its a proven fact that ice occupies more room than
water.It puzzles me that people dont realise this....brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 3:54 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Products were initially developed without consideration for health effects.
The most suitable material was found to do a certain task and that was it.
Now that "health effects" are factored in those products found most suitable

must now be judged by their supposed health impacts.  Compromises must be
made and part of the compromise is that the products no longer work as well
as they did.  The other compromise is that they are more expensive. Seems
like all the compromising is being done by the consumer!

We must all remember that the environmental movement sees humanity as a
blight on the earth.  Their ultimate goal is to see humanity either
destroyed or revert to pre industrial revolution status. If you view their
actions in that context then what they do makes sense. You then see that
they practice incrementalism and are very patient in reaching their goals.

Rick

P.S.  Who is to say that global warming is a bad thing?  Greenland was named

GREENland for a reason.  Go there today and you will not see much green.  I
think we're still living in the effects of the last global cooling.

P.P.S.  Who is to say that the current climate is the optimal climate for
the Earth?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!



Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;

After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.

Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
banned by now".

(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
a good reason, but I am no chemist.)

BUT . . .

Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
the old products had most undesirable side-effects?

Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
became "acid free".

Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
worked very well.

Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.

My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
ineffective.

JW?

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 00:17:52 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:17:52 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <C29C3F5C.1C80C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
	<C29C3F5C.1C80C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <00ab01c7b241$f3c1ef20$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Thanks for the tip will try the oven cleaner sounds good brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kelley Garcia
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 8:56 a.m.
To: SEL
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent

Degreaser.  Use Easy Off oven cleaner.  If you want to keep the paint, do
not let it sit too long.

There used to be a bunch of great petroleum products that were a fine
degreaser.  Too bad they have been removed from the market 'cause people
didn't wear gloves and then sued due to their health problems (whether it
was from the product or not (or other stoopidity factors such as constant
inhalation without proper ventilation, flammability issues - think Wile E.
Coyote, etc)


On 6/18/07 8:45 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel subject for a
degreaser
> ( not an immigration slur) that is readily available to get grease off old
> engines? Huh?
> Skip
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: <slick at toltbbs.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> 
> 
>> Dear Big Oil Bit%#:
>> 
>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>> 
>>> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>>> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>>> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
>>> companies!
>> 
>> Its GOOD to be da king...
>> 
>>> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>>> Converter.
>>> No plans on releasing it as yet.
>> 
>> BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
>> graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a
few
>> bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
>> 8-))
>> 
>> See ya,  Arnie
>> 
>>> See ya,
>>> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>> 
>>> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>>> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased
>>>> by
>>>> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>> 
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 00:39:32 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:39:32 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181126180.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c7b244$fade9580$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Thanks Rob I sent my email to the link you suggested its not so much that
the information is secret it just isnt widely known its almost mythical i
have the info regarding the 115 mile per gallon carby it was a trial done
with a buick back in 1950 the original version dated back to 1920 you can
read about it at this link i found it facinating.It doesnt mention the pill
to add to water but does mention a powder its all there for your reading.  

http://befreetech.com/energysuppression.htm

brent nz
  




 
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kelley Garcia
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 3:13 a.m.
To: slick at toltbbs.com; SEL
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent

Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both companies!

Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.

We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy Converter.
No plans on releasing it as yet.


See ya,
Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#


On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Rob,
> 
> Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can possibly
> comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
> 
> Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the ability
> to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be secret
> technologies now would they?
> 
> A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take this
> thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, I've cc'd
> Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription info
> for those willing to jump into the pool.
> 
> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased by
> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
> So much to discuss...  So little time...
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
> 
>>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
>>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to the
>>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by
>>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as
>>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
>> 
>> Brent,
>> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head
>> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
>> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling you
>> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
>> 
>> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of the
>> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
>> 
>> 1.  Name the technology.
>> 
>> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,
>> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
>> materials to energy.
>> 
>> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
>> 
>> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
>> 
>> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent YOU
>> from utilizing these technologies.
>> 
>> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will
>> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
>> enlighten us with facts.
>> 
>> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
>> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
>> contentions.
> 
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 00:40:36 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:40:36 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
References: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
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To be fair that sounds a bit dodgy wouldnt think that system would generate
enough power to split the oxygen or hydrogen atoms most of the methods i
have seen rely more on resonance frequency devices to split the oxygen and
hydrogen or a chemical reaction similar to electrolysis the limiting factor
is the speed at which the hydrogen and oxygen is released.If there is any
benefit in the system with the alternater it will be from the vaporising of
the fuel by the exhaust fumes have just sent a link so you can read all
about these so called devices i will leave it to your judgement    

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 2:19 p.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent

 
It's funny you say that.  I was giving a talk on Biodiesel at a  regional 
alternative energy fair and there was a guy there promoting a system  that
uses 
the alternator to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, and then  plumbs it
at 
low pressure into the intake manifold, claiming power and mileage  benefits.

When I questioned how the tailpipe emissions could  possibly be oxygen (my 
combustion chemistry must be getting fuzzy) he got  pretty cranky.  He
bashed my 
lack of vision saying I was the kind of guy  that stood in the way of energy

progress.  Well, I ended up saying that I  had a vision of a car that ran on

grass clippings and emitted ice cream (to  consume on the trip, you
know)...but 
that didn't mean it could happen  someday.  As you might imagine, we're not 
buddies now.  
As long as there are people to listen, there will be people talking about  
free energy and 100 MPG carburetors.  Hopefully us nay-sayers and
repressors 
don't discourage someone from inventing the REAL flux capacitor.  :-)
 
Joe
 
In a message dated 6/18/2007 6:32:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kimmell at verizon.net writes:

You mean  I won't be able to one day run my DeLorean on banana peels 
and beer  cans???  You guys are such a  buzz-kill...

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 00:48:41 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:48:41 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -
In-Reply-To: <bc1.161e1ee3.33a8b4cf@aol.com>
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Hopefully hes not reading that thread francis that was very well done
probably still not aware of the joke you played. brent

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 4:26 p.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -

 
Hi List,
This has been a very interesting thread.  It reminds me of  a tale about a 
joke played on a fellow worker at Convair at  Lancaster, California in 1958.

This gentleman purchased a new Nash  Metropolitan.  It was a small two
passenger 
automobile.  He bought it  for gas mileage and to drive to work.  The
Convair 
facilities were located  at Air force Plant 42 located several miles from 
Lancaster, California.   This person bragged so much about how cheap this
car was 
on gas that the rest of  his fellow workers decided he needed to be taught a

lesson.  One of the fellow workers suggested that several  people chip in
and 
buy some gasoline to put in his new car to really increase  his "gas
mileage" 
without his knowledge.  Yes, it was  decided (about 10 or 12 people 
participated) to do  it.  As more gasoline was slipped into his fuel tank,
the more he  
bragged about getting excellent mileage.
About this time stories of the hi-mileage per gallon  carburetors were 
circulating among the public.  With the extra  gasoline being put into this 
braggart's Metropolitan, he was  experiencing some great mileage in
comparison to what 
other Metropolitan owners  were getting.  The jokesters start telling him 
that Nash had made a mistake  and accidentally installed one of these
carburetors 
on his car.  In those  days, new cars had to be returned to the dealership
at 
500 miles to change the  oil.  When this person took his Metropolitan to the

dealer for the oil  change and minor adjustments, the jokesters stopped 
putting extra gas  in his car.  Needless to say, when the mileage went down 
drastically, he  started to complain to the dealer and the factory
representative.  
The  jokesters kept egging him on by saying that the dealer was probably  
directed by the factory to exchange the carburetor as the factory made a
error  on 
his car by installing this high mileage producing carburetor during
assembly.  
 
Since I can't validate if this narrative is true,  I call it  fairy tale.
 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca





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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 00:52:15 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:52:15 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
References: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00b701c7b246$c1751880$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Tony i have an interesting site that will intrerest you and others is
relevant to stationary engines this time this guy is running his engine on
old vege oil he has connected a generator to it and has cut his cut his
power bill dramatically i admire his inventiveness nothing wrong with old
technology..
http://sustburbia.blogspot.com/ 

brent nz  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 2:19 p.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent

 
It's funny you say that.  I was giving a talk on Biodiesel at a  regional 
alternative energy fair and there was a guy there promoting a system  that
uses 
the alternator to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, and then  plumbs it
at 
low pressure into the intake manifold, claiming power and mileage  benefits.

When I questioned how the tailpipe emissions could  possibly be oxygen (my 
combustion chemistry must be getting fuzzy) he got  pretty cranky.  He
bashed my 
lack of vision saying I was the kind of guy  that stood in the way of energy

progress.  Well, I ended up saying that I  had a vision of a car that ran on

grass clippings and emitted ice cream (to  consume on the trip, you
know)...but 
that didn't mean it could happen  someday.  As you might imagine, we're not 
buddies now.  
As long as there are people to listen, there will be people talking about  
free energy and 100 MPG carburetors.  Hopefully us nay-sayers and
repressors 
don't discourage someone from inventing the REAL flux capacitor.  :-)
 
Joe
 
In a message dated 6/18/2007 6:32:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kimmell at verizon.net writes:

You mean  I won't be able to one day run my DeLorean on banana peels 
and beer  cans???  You guys are such a  buzz-kill...

-Tony







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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jun 19 02:04:01 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:04:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -
References: <bc1.161e1ee3.33a8b4cf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004501c7b250$c9c49560$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Oh! Thats a GOOD one!! I love it.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -


>
> Hi List,
> This has been a very interesting thread.  It reminds me of  a tale about a
> joke played on a fellow worker at Convair at  Lancaster, California in 
> 1958.
> This gentleman purchased a new Nash  Metropolitan.  It was a small two 
> passenger
> automobile.  He bought it  for gas mileage and to drive to work.  The 
> Convair
> facilities were located  at Air force Plant 42 located several miles from
> Lancaster, California.   This person bragged so much about how cheap this 
> car was
> on gas that the rest of  his fellow workers decided he needed to be taught 
> a
> lesson.  One of the fellow workers suggested that several  people chip in 
> and
> buy some gasoline to put in his new car to really increase  his "gas 
> mileage"
> without his knowledge.  Yes, it was  decided (about 10 or 12 people
> participated) to do  it.  As more gasoline was slipped into his fuel tank, 
> the more he
> bragged about getting excellent mileage.
> About this time stories of the hi-mileage per gallon  carburetors were
> circulating among the public.  With the extra  gasoline being put into 
> this
> braggart's Metropolitan, he was  experiencing some great mileage in 
> comparison to what
> other Metropolitan owners  were getting.  The jokesters start telling him
> that Nash had made a mistake  and accidentally installed one of these 
> carburetors
> on his car.  In those  days, new cars had to be returned to the dealership 
> at
> 500 miles to change the  oil.  When this person took his Metropolitan to 
> the
> dealer for the oil  change and minor adjustments, the jokesters stopped
> putting extra gas  in his car.  Needless to say, when the mileage went 
> down
> drastically, he  started to complain to the dealer and the factory 
> representative.
> The  jokesters kept egging him on by saying that the dealer was probably
> directed by the factory to exchange the carburetor as the factory made a 
> error  on
> his car by installing this high mileage producing carburetor during 
> assembly.
>
> Since I can't validate if this narrative is true,  I call it  fairy tale.
>
>
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria,  Ca
>
>
>
>
>
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From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Tue Jun 19 04:30:18 2007
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:30:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007
References: <mailman.3.1182096002.28833.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <000401c7b265$378a4cc0$0201a8c0@b21a5>

A few weeks ago the Pioneer Gas Engine Association from Marion, NY had its
annual Crank-up. I've put up some pictures; here's a link to the
thumbnails...
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/crankup2007/index.html

-Rick I.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 19 05:11:36 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:11:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
In-Reply-To: <2464ddf1de0c515570d5f8433cd57ff2@chartertn.net>
References: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
	<2464ddf1de0c515570d5f8433cd57ff2@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <1182255096.4677c7f841b02@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi John,

Black Magic actually...  8-))

Arnie 
Happy graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics

Quoting John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net>:

> A graduate of Bob's Quantum School of Mechanics might be able to 
> mathematically explain the intense local concentration of heat in 
> relatively cool running bearings (think of the application of the total 
> frictional heat dissipation over the vanishingly tiny part of the total 
> area that's actually occupied by these tiny peaks and you'd be on the 
> right track), but John Fankhauser's "Magic" explanation works quite 
> well enough.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2007, at 8:30 PM, JIM KIRKES wrote:
> > Why does the oil turn black when dirt does not appear to be a factor?



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jun 19 05:32:05 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:32:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007
References: <mailman.3.1182096002.28833.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<000401c7b265$378a4cc0$0201a8c0@b21a5>
Message-ID: <007901c7b270$45fba730$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Nice pics. Thanks for sharing.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

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From: "Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007


>A few weeks ago the Pioneer Gas Engine Association from Marion, NY had its
> annual Crank-up. I've put up some pictures; here's a link to the
> thumbnails...
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/crankup2007/index.html
> 
> -Rick I.
> 
> 
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From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Tue Jun 19 08:17:21 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:17:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
References: <00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB><C29C3F5C.1C80C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<00ab01c7b241$f3c1ef20$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <019d01c7b284$ef6ca350$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

I put it in Google and among others, you can find it at ACE Hardware.
By the way, if you wan't to get really violent, toilet bowl cleaner works in 
just a few seconds. Great for a 5 minute clean up of a carburator. Works on 
concrete too. Will burn your skin off even faster than oven cleaner.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent


> Thanks for the tip will try the oven cleaner sounds good brent
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kelley 
> Garcia
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 8:56 a.m.
> To: SEL
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>
> Degreaser.  Use Easy Off oven cleaner.  If you want to keep the paint, do
> not let it sit too long.
>
> There used to be a bunch of great petroleum products that were a fine
> degreaser.  Too bad they have been removed from the market 'cause people
> didn't wear gloves and then sued due to their health problems (whether it
> was from the product or not (or other stoopidity factors such as constant
> inhalation without proper ventilation, flammability issues - think Wile E.
> Coyote, etc)
>
>
> On 6/18/07 8:45 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel subject for a
> degreaser
>> ( not an immigration slur) that is readily available to get grease off 
>> old
>> engines? Huh?
>> Skip
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Cc: <slick at toltbbs.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>
>>
>>> Dear Big Oil Bit%#:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>>>> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>>>> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
>>>> companies!
>>>
>>> Its GOOD to be da king...
>>>
>>>> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>>>> Converter.
>>>> No plans on releasing it as yet.
>>>
>>> BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
>>> graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a
> few
>>> bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
>>> 8-))
>>>
>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>
>>>> See ya,
>>>> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>>>
>>>> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased
>>>>> by
>>>>> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>>>
>>> To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to slick-request at toltbbs.com
>>> with the word "LEAVE"  in the Subject, with no other text. No SIGs!
>>>
>>>
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 19 08:46:06 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:46:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <019d01c7b284$ef6ca350$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <C29D484E.1C881%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Toilet bowl cleaner?  You mean Red Devil Lye?  Or the mundane Comet (and
similar products) in a squirt container?  If the latter, at least the engine
would have a nice minty aroma
-- 
Kelley



On 6/19/07 8:17 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I put it in Google and among others, you can find it at ACE Hardware.
> By the way, if you wan't to get really violent, toilet bowl cleaner works in
> just a few seconds. Great for a 5 minute clean up of a carburator. Works on
> concrete too. Will burn your skin off even faster than oven cleaner.
> Skip
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> 
> 
>> Thanks for the tip will try the oven cleaner sounds good brent
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kelley
>> Garcia
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 8:56 a.m.
>> To: SEL
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>> 
>> Degreaser.  Use Easy Off oven cleaner.  If you want to keep the paint, do
>> not let it sit too long.
>> 
>> There used to be a bunch of great petroleum products that were a fine
>> degreaser.  Too bad they have been removed from the market 'cause people
>> didn't wear gloves and then sued due to their health problems (whether it
>> was from the product or not (or other stoopidity factors such as constant
>> inhalation without proper ventilation, flammability issues - think Wile E.
>> Coyote, etc)
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/18/07 8:45 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel subject for a
>> degreaser
>>> ( not an immigration slur) that is readily available to get grease off
>>> old
>>> engines? Huh?
>>> Skip
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Cc: <slick at toltbbs.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Dear Big Oil Bit%#:
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>>>>> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>>>>> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
>>>>> companies!
>>>> 
>>>> Its GOOD to be da king...
>>>> 
>>>>> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>>>>> Converter.
>>>>> No plans on releasing it as yet.
>>>> 
>>>> BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
>>>> graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a
>> few
>>>> bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
>>>> 8-))
>>>> 
>>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>> 
>>>>> See ya,
>>>>> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>>>> 
>>>> To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to slick-request at toltbbs.com
>>>> with the word "LEAVE"  in the Subject, with no other text. No SIGs!
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Tue Jun 19 09:32:18 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:32:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
References: <C29D484E.1C881%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <01cb01c7b28f$67515780$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Vanish.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelley Garcia" <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent


> Toilet bowl cleaner?  You mean Red Devil Lye?  Or the mundane Comet (and
> similar products) in a squirt container?  If the latter, at least the 
> engine
> would have a nice minty aroma
> -- 
> Kelley
>
>
>
> On 6/19/07 8:17 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> I put it in Google and among others, you can find it at ACE Hardware.
>> By the way, if you wan't to get really violent, toilet bowl cleaner works 
>> in
>> just a few seconds. Great for a 5 minute clean up of a carburator. Works 
>> on
>> concrete too. Will burn your skin off even faster than oven cleaner.
>> Skip
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>
>>
>>> Thanks for the tip will try the oven cleaner sounds good brent
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kelley
>>> Garcia
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 8:56 a.m.
>>> To: SEL
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>>
>>> Degreaser.  Use Easy Off oven cleaner.  If you want to keep the paint, 
>>> do
>>> not let it sit too long.
>>>
>>> There used to be a bunch of great petroleum products that were a fine
>>> degreaser.  Too bad they have been removed from the market 'cause people
>>> didn't wear gloves and then sued due to their health problems (whether 
>>> it
>>> was from the product or not (or other stoopidity factors such as 
>>> constant
>>> inhalation without proper ventilation, flammability issues - think Wile 
>>> E.
>>> Coyote, etc)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/18/07 8:45 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel subject for a
>>> degreaser
>>>> ( not an immigration slur) that is readily available to get grease off
>>>> old
>>>> engines? Huh?
>>>> Skip
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Cc: <slick at toltbbs.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Big Oil Bit%#:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>>>>>> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
>>>>>> companies!
>>>>>
>>>>> Its GOOD to be da king...
>>>>>
>>>>>> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>>>>>> Converter.
>>>>>> No plans on releasing it as yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
>>>>> graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a
>>> few
>>>>> bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
>>>>> 8-))
>>>>>
>>>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>>>
>>>>>> See ya,
>>>>>> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline? 
>>>>>>> (Purchased
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>>>>>
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 00:22:15 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:22:15 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <B7F6DF9D-5E08-4C09-BBEF-0B077F6F23A9@rustyiron.com>
References: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181212220.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
	<B7F6DF9D-5E08-4C09-BBEF-0B077F6F23A9@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <00ac01c7b242$909c5a60$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Cool i had previously looked in to simply green i actually ran the company
did you know that they use a stronger version of simply green for cleaning
up oil spills ie from tankers etc its quite a unique product. 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 4:34 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent

On Jun 18, 2007, at 8:45 AM, Skip Cleveland wrote:

> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel
> subject for a degreaser ( not an immigration slur) that
> is readily available to get grease off old engines? Huh?
> Skip

Hi Skip,
Yes, some one noticed.  For thick goop, a scraper works nice, plastic  
if you want to be kind to what lies beneath.

For seriously heavy cleaning, nothing beats gasoline and a scrub  
brush.  The downside is that it stains your clothes, your skin, and  
if you blow up, it's very unpleasant.

For my day to day cleaning, I'm sold on Simple Green Crystal.  It's  
clear and doesn't have the fragrance as the green colored stuff.  It  
cleans up everything from heavy gear oil, to light dirt, all without  
damaging paint.  What's amazing is that it's not hazardous to your  
health, yet it works so well.

Rob







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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jun 19 13:59:46 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:59:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007
References: <mailman.3.1182096002.28833.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<000401c7b265$378a4cc0$0201a8c0@b21a5>
Message-ID: <001001c7b2b4$c4ed4550$0601a8c0@altech>

Finally a good engine show, Maytags and R&V's ;-))

Peter, Oz




>A few weeks ago the Pioneer Gas Engine Association from Marion, NY had its
> annual Crank-up. I've put up some pictures; here's a link to the
> thumbnails...
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/crankup2007/index.html
> 
> -Rick I.
> 
> 
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 19 15:56:33 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:56:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c7b242$909c5a60$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
References: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181212220.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
	<B7F6DF9D-5E08-4C09-BBEF-0B077F6F23A9@rustyiron.com>
	<00ac01c7b242$909c5a60$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <12C95310-12FB-424D-A029-836DF068DCD4@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 19, 2007, at 12:22 AM, brent.tamatea wrote:

> Cool i had previously looked in to simply green i actually ran the  
> company
> did you know that they use a stronger version of simply green for  
> cleaning
> up oil spills ie from tankers etc its quite a unique product.

Hi Brent,
We use the "crystal" version at work and get it in 55 gallon drums.   
Our company is extremely safety conscious, and this is one of the few  
products that meets our strict criteria.  I still have a hard time  
accepting that something SAFE can also be EFFECTIVE.

Rob












From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 19 16:54:41 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:54:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007
In-Reply-To: <000401c7b265$378a4cc0$0201a8c0@b21a5>
Message-ID: <20070619235441.18772.qmail@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Rick,

Thanks for the pictures.
Very nice job.  I appreciate the comments with the pictures.
About the Maytag ???? picture,,,


http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/crankup2007/maytag-notsure_600.html


I suggest you go here.

http://www.maytagclub.com/

Then click on, "Restoration Info."
At that page click on, "Click Here For Gas Engine Information."
Then look at the third engine down.
There is a picture of a Maytag 82.

I hope this helps.
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan 49690
U. S. of A.







"Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com> wrote: A few weeks ago the Pioneer Gas Engine Association from Marion, NY had its
annual Crank-up. I've put up some pictures; here's a link to the
thumbnails...
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/crankup2007/index.html

-Rick I.


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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Tue Jun 19 17:16:36 2007
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:16:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -
In-Reply-To: <bc1.161e1ee3.33a8b4cf@aol.com>
References: <bc1.161e1ee3.33a8b4cf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c7b2d0$46c00700$3464a8c0@Eagle>

	There was a fellow in Findlay, Ohio back in the 60's who had a
Volkswagen Beetle who expounded on the excellent gas mileage he was getting.
His neighbors also started adding gas to his tank at night. This continued
until one of his regular maintenance visits to the dealership's service
department. Then the started to siphon gas from his tank at night.. He drove
the service department nuts for sometime demanding to know what they had
done to his car. I don't think the neighbors ever did tell him what
happened. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:26 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -

 
Hi List,
This has been a very interesting thread.  It reminds me of  a tale about a
joke played on a fellow worker at Convair at  Lancaster, California in 1958.

This gentleman purchased a new Nash  Metropolitan.  It was a small two
passenger automobile.  He bought it  for gas mileage and to drive to work.
The Convair facilities were located  at Air force Plant 42 located several
miles from 
Lancaster, California.   This person bragged so much about how cheap this
car was 
on gas that the rest of  his fellow workers decided he needed to be taught a
lesson.  One of the fellow workers suggested that several  people chip in
and buy some gasoline to put in his new car to really increase  his "gas
mileage" 
without his knowledge.  Yes, it was  decided (about 10 or 12 people
participated) to do  it.  As more gasoline was slipped into his fuel tank,
the more he bragged about getting excellent mileage.
About this time stories of the hi-mileage per gallon  carburetors were
circulating among the public.  With the extra  gasoline being put into this
braggart's Metropolitan, he was  experiencing some great mileage in
comparison to what other Metropolitan owners  were getting.  The jokesters
start telling him that Nash had made a mistake  and accidentally installed
one of these carburetors on his car.  In those  days, new cars had to be
returned to the dealership at 500 miles to change the  oil.  When this
person took his Metropolitan to the dealer for the oil  change and minor
adjustments, the jokesters stopped putting extra gas  in his car.  Needless
to say, when the mileage went down drastically, he  started to complain to
the dealer and the factory representative.  
The  jokesters kept egging him on by saying that the dealer was probably
directed by the factory to exchange the carburetor as the factory made a
error  on his car by installing this high mileage producing carburetor
during  assembly.  
 
Since I can't validate if this narrative is true,  I call it  fairy tale.
 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca





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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 04:50:12 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:50:12 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007
In-Reply-To: <000401c7b265$378a4cc0$0201a8c0@b21a5>
References: <mailman.3.1182096002.28833.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<000401c7b265$378a4cc0$0201a8c0@b21a5>
Message-ID: <001501c7b267$fed954e0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Nice pics Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick I.
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:30 p.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007

A few weeks ago the Pioneer Gas Engine Association from Marion, NY had its
annual Crank-up. I've put up some pictures; here's a link to the
thumbnails...
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/crankup2007/index.html

-Rick I.


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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jun 19 17:57:08 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:57:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <C29D484E.1C881%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <C29D484E.1C881%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <d37e504152874e00c867e09cfce1efb2@chartertn.net>

> You mean Red Devil Lye?

Alas, it's been off the market for a few years, which has put me out of 
the soapmaking business. I've just located some new sources of lye, but 
now I have to go through a bunch of Mickey Mouse crap with faxing in 
liability releases to order it and recalculate recipes because it comes 
in different size containers.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Jun 19 19:35:58 2007
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:35:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich IL Engine Show this weekend
In-Reply-To: <d37e504152874e00c867e09cfce1efb2@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <318336.38242.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just wanted to invite all of you to the show this weekend in Sandwich, IL.
 June 23-24.  The Feature is Allis Chalmers Tractors and Baker/Monitor
Engines.  

More show information is on the club web site at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/

Click on Annual Show Information below the Club patch.

Or email me with any questoins.  I will have limited access to email after
Thursday.

Steve



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Jun 19 19:47:58 2007
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:47:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show & Auction Photos
In-Reply-To: <d37e504152874e00c867e09cfce1efb2@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <196359.73312.qm@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Since I don't want to flood the market with too many photos at one time, 
Here are links to the first several events that I took in this year.

A Friday night car cruz in my hometown of Downers Grove, IL (the suburbs
of Chicago) that featured gas engines and tractors....My Dad and I got
"Best in show trophy"  We also got invited back at the end of the summer
for the Trophy night where the top exhibit from each weekend's cruz is on
display...

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007DGCruz.htm

Auction in Lacon IL (1 mile from the show the same day as the show) which
took 2 hours to sell every thing.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007LaconAuction.htm

Show at Lacon IL

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007Lacon.htm

Oh, I forgot the toy show that has a tractor show with it in mid march in
Sublette, IL...Didn't take any photos of the toys, but did take some of
the tractors in the few spare minutes that I had as I was busy most of the
day helping a dealer sell construction models.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007Sublette.htm

And IF you didn't have enough to look at,  The auction results from North,
VA are at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007simon1.htm


Steve


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 19 20:32:57 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:32:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <d37e504152874e00c867e09cfce1efb2@chartertn.net>
References: <C29D484E.1C881%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<d37e504152874e00c867e09cfce1efb2@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <9065C1AF-1D21-4D22-A949-ECF5F79679B2@rustyiron.com>

> Alas, it's been off the market for a few years, which has put me  
> out of
> the soapmaking business. I've just located some new sources of lye,  
> but
> now I have to go through a bunch of Mickey Mouse crap with faxing in
> liability releases to order it and recalculate recipes because it  
> comes
> in different size containers.


I haven't had a good shower since I ran out of your soap
from the last time you auctioned it off at the Back Forty.




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jun 19 21:20:36 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:20:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <9065C1AF-1D21-4D22-A949-ECF5F79679B2@rustyiron.com>
References: <C29D484E.1C881%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<d37e504152874e00c867e09cfce1efb2@chartertn.net>
	<9065C1AF-1D21-4D22-A949-ECF5F79679B2@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <516baaa4eef0269b93d665645ad4e5b6@chartertn.net>

I'll have to put you down for some when I get around to making it again.

Yeah, Jane found a few pieces and we've been using 'em. Haven't found 
anything we like as well, either.

On Jun 19, 2007, at 11:32 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> I haven't had a good shower since I ran out of your soap
> from the last time you auctioned it off at the Back Forty.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 19 20:32:57 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:32:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
Message-ID: <78796D29-BDA3-43F9-A097-1DFDBC827EBD@rustyiron.com>

> Alas, it's been off the market for a few years, which has put me  
> out of
> the soapmaking business. I've just located some new sources of lye,  
> but
> now I have to go through a bunch of Mickey Mouse crap with faxing in
> liability releases to order it and recalculate recipes because it  
> comes
> in different size containers.


I haven't had a good shower since I ran out of your soap
from the last time you auctioned it off at the Back Forty.



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 19 22:50:55 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:50:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fwd:  It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
References: <9E183FF0-C395-45B2-876A-76DA173795DA@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <3C06C3E7-519E-46A5-8258-D709F6F96936@rustyiron.com>


I'll have my snipe finger ready for the Christmas Auction.



> On Jun 19, 2007, at 9:20 PM, John Culp wrote:
>
>> I'll have to put you down for some when I get around to making it  
>> again.
>>
>> Yeah, Jane found a few pieces and we've been using 'em. Haven't found
>> anything we like as well, either.
>>






From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 22:51:55 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:51:55 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -
In-Reply-To: <001d01c7b2d0$46c00700$3464a8c0@Eagle>
References: <bc1.161e1ee3.33a8b4cf@aol.com>
	<001d01c7b2d0$46c00700$3464a8c0@Eagle>
Message-ID: <006001c7b2ff$1c7c20d0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

I dont blame them not saying anything he must of really got on everyones
nerves. brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob Willman
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2007 12:17 p.m.
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -

	There was a fellow in Findlay, Ohio back in the 60's who had a
Volkswagen Beetle who expounded on the excellent gas mileage he was getting.
His neighbors also started adding gas to his tank at night. This continued
until one of his regular maintenance visits to the dealership's service
department. Then the started to siphon gas from his tank at night.. He drove
the service department nuts for sometime demanding to know what they had
done to his car. I don't think the neighbors ever did tell him what
happened. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:26 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -

 
Hi List,
This has been a very interesting thread.  It reminds me of  a tale about a
joke played on a fellow worker at Convair at  Lancaster, California in 1958.

This gentleman purchased a new Nash  Metropolitan.  It was a small two
passenger automobile.  He bought it  for gas mileage and to drive to work.
The Convair facilities were located  at Air force Plant 42 located several
miles from 
Lancaster, California.   This person bragged so much about how cheap this
car was 
on gas that the rest of  his fellow workers decided he needed to be taught a
lesson.  One of the fellow workers suggested that several  people chip in
and buy some gasoline to put in his new car to really increase  his "gas
mileage" 
without his knowledge.  Yes, it was  decided (about 10 or 12 people
participated) to do  it.  As more gasoline was slipped into his fuel tank,
the more he bragged about getting excellent mileage.
About this time stories of the hi-mileage per gallon  carburetors were
circulating among the public.  With the extra  gasoline being put into this
braggart's Metropolitan, he was  experiencing some great mileage in
comparison to what other Metropolitan owners  were getting.  The jokesters
start telling him that Nash had made a mistake  and accidentally installed
one of these carburetors on his car.  In those  days, new cars had to be
returned to the dealership at 500 miles to change the  oil.  When this
person took his Metropolitan to the dealer for the oil  change and minor
adjustments, the jokesters stopped putting extra gas  in his car.  Needless
to say, when the mileage went down drastically, he  started to complain to
the dealer and the factory representative.  
The  jokesters kept egging him on by saying that the dealer was probably
directed by the factory to exchange the carburetor as the factory made a
error  on his car by installing this high mileage producing carburetor
during  assembly.  
 
Since I can't validate if this narrative is true,  I call it  fairy tale.
 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca





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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 20 10:47:11 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:47:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <410-2200762193224968@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>

HI Tim, It's a sad story, At the conclusion of my research and just prior to 
sending the cad files to the cnc operator, my front door was kicked in one 
night and there stood a tall masked man with a large shotgun. I was tied up 
and severely beaten... but in the end your perpetual motion engine was 
stolen.  I just haven't had the heart to tell you until now.  I think they 
drove off in a HUMMER like my brother Mike drives so I suspect Big Oil was 
involved. Sorry it ended this way Tim, but you still have a New Way 
transport to move you around Kansas.  Steve Royster


>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:02:24 -0500
>
>Very interesting Steve, now tell me the truth about what happened to my
>Perpetual Motion Engine that you borrowed for research?
>
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 6/18/2007 9:12:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> >
> > Okay, okay!   It's true I am part of the "big oil consortium" and we do
>sit
> > around in smoke filled rooms drinking 100 year old scotch and planning
>your
> > demise.  Just last week, a young fellow brought in an engine that ran on
>bad
> > information!  OH MY GOSH!  Do you know how much bad information is out
> > there?  Did you know it is FREE?  Well me and the boys quickly called 
>our
> > connections at Black Op, and before you can say 99 cent regular, we did
>the
> > stop, drop and roll drill and he was part of the new bridge on the I-95
> > connector.
> >
> > I'd like to tell you more, but then I'd have to ki--, well, you know the
> > drill.
> >
> > Sleep tight,  I'm putting regular in the premium tank tomorrow!!  You'll
> > never know!  Oh my gosh, I just kill me!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Steve (the bad) Royster
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> >
> >
> > > Isn't it strange that we've heard nothing from Mike"Big Oil"Royster?
>Maybe
> > > he bought up some of those patents himself !  Probably why he wasn't 
>in
> > > Cool
> > > Spring with the rest of us, he was researching patents that might 
>steal
> > > some
> > > of his profits.  Look out Kelley !
> > >                           Steve the good Royster!
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
> > >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > >>To: "slick at toltbbs.com" <slick at toltbbs.com>,        SEL
> > >><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> > >>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
> > >>
> > >>Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
> > >>It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
> > >>Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
> > >>companies!
> > >>
> > >>Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.
> > >>
> > >>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
> > >>Converter.
> > >>No plans on releasing it as yet.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>See ya,
> > >>Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Rob,
> > >> >
> > >> > Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can 
>possibly
> > >> > comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
> > >> >
> > >> > Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the
> > >>ability
> > >> > to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be
>secret
> > >> > technologies now would they?
> > >> >
> > >> > A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take
>this
> > >> > thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, 
>I've
> > >>cc'd
> > >> > Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription
> > >> > info
> > >> > for those willing to jump into the pool.
> > >> >
> > >> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?
>(Purchased
> > >>by
> > >> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
> > >> > So much to discuss...  So little time...
> > >> >
> > >> > See ya,  Arnie
> > >> >
> > >> > Arnie Fero
> > >> > Pittsburgh, PA
> > >> > fero_ah at city-net.com
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
> > >> >>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects 
>to
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out 
>by
> > >> >>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government
>as
> > >> >>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Brent,
> > >> >> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my 
>head
> > >> >> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
> > >> >> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling
>you
> > >> >> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of
>the
> > >> >> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 1.  Name the technology.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of 
>power,
> > >> >> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
> > >> >> materials to energy.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent
>YOU
> > >> >> from utilizing these technologies.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It 
>will
> > >> >> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
> > >> >> enlighten us with facts.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
> > >> >> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
> > >> >> contentions.
> > >> >
> > >> > To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to slick-request at toltbbs.com
> > >> > with the word "LEAVE"  in the Subject, with no other text. No SIGs!
> > >>
> > >>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun 20 10:59:41 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:59:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4442.165.206.180.53.1182362381.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

ROFLMFAO.... youse guys are a hoot.

This should allow some experimenting on some of these great inventions:

http://theamcpages.com/new-garage.asp

I need a few things like a Jacobs ladder and telsa coil to make it look
like a real lab where stuff really happens.

It will certainly allow me space to spread out Chapman parts now instead
of crawling over things.
I plan on making that Chapman run a full week on a gallon of gas now
instead of just 5 days.


Bill

> HI Tim, It's a sad story, At the conclusion of my research and just prior
> to
> sending the cad files to the cnc operator, my front door was kicked in one
> night and there stood a tall masked man with a large shotgun. I was tied
> up
> and severely beaten... but in the end your perpetual motion engine was
> stolen.  I just haven't had the heart to tell you until now.  I think they
> drove off in a HUMMER like my brother Mike drives so I suspect Big Oil was
> involved. Sorry it ended this way Tim, but you still have a New Way
> transport to move you around Kansas.  Steve Royster
>
>
>>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:02:24 -0500
>>
>>Very interesting Steve, now tell me the truth about what happened to my
>>Perpetual Motion Engine that you borrowed for research?
>>
>>Tim Christoff
>>Basehor Kansas
>>
>>
>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Date: 6/18/2007 9:12:15 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>> >
>> > Okay, okay!   It's true I am part of the "big oil consortium" and we
>> do
>>sit
>> > around in smoke filled rooms drinking 100 year old scotch and planning
>>your
>> > demise.  Just last week, a young fellow brought in an engine that ran
>> on
>>bad
>> > information!  OH MY GOSH!  Do you know how much bad information is out
>> > there?  Did you know it is FREE?  Well me and the boys quickly called
>>our
>> > connections at Black Op, and before you can say 99 cent regular, we
>> did
>>the
>> > stop, drop and roll drill and he was part of the new bridge on the
>> I-95
>> > connector.
>> >
>> > I'd like to tell you more, but then I'd have to ki--, well, you know
>> the
>> > drill.
>> >
>> > Sleep tight,  I'm putting regular in the premium tank tomorrow!!
>> You'll
>> > never know!  Oh my gosh, I just kill me!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > Steve (the bad) Royster
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:13 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>> >
>> >
>> > > Isn't it strange that we've heard nothing from Mike"Big Oil"Royster?
>>Maybe
>> > > he bought up some of those patents himself !  Probably why he wasn't
>>in
>> > > Cool
>> > > Spring with the rest of us, he was researching patents that might
>>steal
>> > > some
>> > > of his profits.  Look out Kelley !
>> > >                           Steve the good Royster!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>From: Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
>> > >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
>><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > >>To: "slick at toltbbs.com" <slick at toltbbs.com>,        SEL
>> > >><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > >>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>> > >>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
>> > >>
>> > >>Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>> > >>It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it
>> was
>> > >>Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
>> > >>companies!
>> > >>
>> > >>Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.
>> > >>
>> > >>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>> > >>Converter.
>> > >>No plans on releasing it as yet.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>See ya,
>> > >>Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Rob,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can
>>possibly
>> > >> > comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had
>> the
>> > >>ability
>> > >> > to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be
>>secret
>> > >> > technologies now would they?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take
>>this
>> > >> > thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard,
>>I've
>> > >>cc'd
>> > >> > Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide
>> subscription
>> > >> > info
>> > >> > for those willing to jump into the pool.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?
>>(Purchased
>> > >>by
>> > >> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>> > >> > So much to discuss...  So little time...
>> > >> >
>> > >> > See ya,  Arnie
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Arnie Fero
>> > >> > Pittsburgh, PA
>> > >> > fero_ah at city-net.com
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
>> > >> >>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects
>>to
>> > >> >>> the
>> > >> >>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought
>> out
>>by
>> > >> >>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the
>> government
>>as
>> > >> >>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Brent,
>> > >> >> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my
>>head
>> > >> >> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on
>> the
>> > >> >> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm
>> calling
>>you
>> > >> >> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us
>> of
>>the
>> > >> >> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of
>> secrecy).
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> 1.  Name the technology.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of
>>power,
>> > >> >> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
>> > >> >> materials to energy.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to
>> prevent
>>YOU
>> > >> >> from utilizing these technologies.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It
>>will
>> > >> >> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
>> > >> >> enlighten us with facts.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get
>> em
>> > >> >> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support
>> your
>> > >> >> contentions.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to
>> slick-request at toltbbs.com
>> > >> > with the word "LEAVE"  in the Subject, with no other text. No
>> SIGs!
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>_______________________________________________
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From shop at cccomm.net  Wed Jun 20 11:47:51 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:47:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL]  Fairbanks T
References: <128849.14856.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <017101c7b36b$82d7c5c0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Got it on good authority that some of the older California engine guys had a 
consensus of opinion on the Fairbanks T red color. I got ahold of one of 
them and after a little coaxing he finally gave me the color code.  Old 
Dulux color before Dupont Centuri.  For those interested it is 93-2564-8. 
Napa crossed matched it from their national help desk and came up with 
Crossfire 53B 2569 Red Acrylic Enamel.
Painted some this morning, pic's at
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp


Dave




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jun 20 12:44:09 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:44:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
Message-ID: <20070620.124409.1240.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Nice job Dave.  Except for the head, block, rod, piston, ignitor, valves,
and the other little rusty pieces that looks like an easy restoration.
<VBG>

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:47:51 -0700 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
> Got it on good authority that some of the older California engine 
> guys had a 
> consensus of opinion on the Fairbanks T red color. I got ahold of 
> one of 
> them and after a little coaxing he finally gave me the color code.  
> Old 
> Dulux color before Dupont Centuri.  For those interested it is 
> 93-2564-8. 
> Napa crossed matched it from their national help desk and came up 
> with 
> Crossfire 53B 2569 Red Acrylic Enamel.
> Painted some this morning, pic's at
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp
> 
> 
> Dave


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 20 13:57:37 2007
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:57:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show at Lacon IL
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1182355203.28642.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-F384FAFF96AC17BB2932E02C7110@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the write up and pictures Steve.
>   10. Show & Auction Photos (Steve Barr)
 >Message: 10
>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:47:58 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>Subject: [SEL] Show & Auction Photos
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <196359.73312.qm at web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Since I don't want to flood the market with too many photos at one time,
>Here are links to the first several events that I took in this year.
>
>A Friday night car cruz in my hometown of Downers Grove, IL (the suburbs
>of Chicago) that featured gas engines and tractors....My Dad and I got
>"Best in show trophy"  We also got invited back at the end of the summer
>for the Trophy night where the top exhibit from each weekend's cruz is on
>display...
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007DGCruz.htm
>
>Auction in Lacon IL (1 mile from the show the same day as the show) which
>took 2 hours to sell every thing.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007LaconAuction.htm
>
>Show at Lacon IL
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007Lacon.htm
>
>Oh, I forgot the toy show that has a tractor show with it in mid march in
>Sublette, IL...Didn't take any photos of the toys, but did take some of
>the tractors in the few spare minutes that I had as I was busy most of the
>day helping a dealer sell construction models.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007Sublette.htm
>
>And IF you didn't have enough to look at,  The auction results from North,
>VA are at:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007simon1.htm

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From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun 20 17:51:55 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:51:55 +0800
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>

Steve Royster wrote:
> HI Tim, It's a sad story, At the conclusion of my research and just 
> prior to sending the cad files to the cnc operator, my front door was 
> kicked in one night and there stood a tall masked man with a large 
> shotgun. I was tied up and severely beaten... but in the end your 
> perpetual motion engine was stolen.  I just haven't had the heart to 
> tell you until now.  I think they drove off in a HUMMER like my brother 
> Mike drives so I suspect Big Oil was involved. Sorry it ended this way 
> Tim, but you still have a New Way transport to move you around Kansas.  
> Steve Royster
===
Steve, that sounds suspiciously like what happened to "Frothy", the soap 
bubble powered engine I invented. Ran on the spin-cycle principle. Same 
looking guy, did yours have a black hat?

Engine ran clean as a whistle, but it needed some special soap to 
produce bubbles of the correct surface tension for best efficiency. I 
was working on that and had arranged for John Culp to supply, but 
suddenly and inexplicably he was unable to obtain his usual ingredients.

Make you think, eh?

JW?
===



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jun 20 19:06:37 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:06:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
	<4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <000801c7b3a8$cd5d7440$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Now wait a minute.  You know all of us in "big oil" have nothing but your 
best interests in mind.  When Exxon gave retiring chairman Lee Raymond an 
additional 200 million, that was for you!  That 14 billion Exxon makes every 
quarter (lately), all for you!  So when we steal in to your homes and take 
all the plans for energy machines, it's all for you!  We are trying to keep 
your world "normal" and the love affair with the automobile steamy hot.  We 
know how you all hate "change".  Do you really want jetpacks and flying 
saucers?  No,  you want the nice comfortable car!

I'd love to expound more but it is late, and I have to get the black hummers 
going, we have several new technologies and their inventors to get rid of, I 
mean to meet with tonight.

Sleep tight!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!


Steve Royster wrote:
> HI Tim, It's a sad story, At the conclusion of my research and just
> prior to sending the cad files to the cnc operator, my front door was
> kicked in one night and there stood a tall masked man with a large
> shotgun. I was tied up and severely beaten... but in the end your
> perpetual motion engine was stolen.  I just haven't had the heart to
> tell you until now.  I think they drove off in a HUMMER like my brother
> Mike drives so I suspect Big Oil was involved. Sorry it ended this way
> Tim, but you still have a New Way transport to move you around Kansas.
> Steve Royster
===
Steve, that sounds suspiciously like what happened to "Frothy", the soap
bubble powered engine I invented. Ran on the spin-cycle principle. Same
looking guy, did yours have a black hat?

Engine ran clean as a whistle, but it needed some special soap to
produce bubbles of the correct surface tension for best efficiency. I
was working on that and had arranged for John Culp to supply, but
suddenly and inexplicably he was unable to obtain his usual ingredients.

Make you think, eh?

JW?
===

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From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Wed Jun 20 19:49:56 2007
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:49:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show & Auction Photos
References: <mailman.3.1182355203.28642.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c7b3ae$da6e6da0$0201a8c0@b21a5>

Thanks for the picture links, Steve!  I can't believe that they had a gas
engine/tractor cruise night!

-Rick



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 20 21:01:22 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:01:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - new engine designs
Message-ID: <410-2200764214122234@earthlink.net>

Thats ok Steve, it was underpowered anyway and you just can't get a patent
on the darn things, thank Big Oil and Black Hummers for that one.  Anyway,
I got a newer improved engine that runs on Liberal Spit, this baby really
goes far on a tank full but leaves a nasty stench in its wake.  Working on
a proper muffeling filter device right now, will send you a report for your
research soon.

Don't let your brother know anything about this, you know how he is.  A
black Hummer would show up in my driveway.  You could though, try
collecting some of his spit for me, I think I can make a valve for Big Oil
spit.  This little paragraph 

" You know all of us in "big oil" have nothing but your 
best interests in mind. When Exxon gave retiring chairman Lee Raymond an 
additional 200 million, that was for you! That 14 billion Exxon makes every 
quarter (lately), all for you! So when we steal in to your homes and take 
all the plans for energy machines, it's all for you! We are trying to keep 
your world "normal" and the love affair with the automobile steamy hot"

would have been enough spit to travel 100 + miles with the AC on!

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/20/2007 12:47:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>
> HI Tim, It's a sad story, At the conclusion of my research and just prior
to 
> sending the cad files to the cnc operator, my front door was kicked in
one 
> night and there stood a tall masked man with a large shotgun. I was tied
up 
> and severely beaten... but in the end your perpetual motion engine was 
> stolen.  I just haven't had the heart to tell you until now.  I think
they 
> drove off in a HUMMER like my brother Mike drives so I suspect Big Oil
was 
> involved. Sorry it ended this way Tim, but you still have a New Way 
> transport to move you around Kansas.  Steve Royster
>
>
> >From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:02:24 -0500
> >
> >Very interesting Steve, now tell me the truth about what happened to my
> >Perpetual Motion Engine that you borrowed for research?
> >
> >Tim Christoff
> >Basehor Kansas
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> > > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Date: 6/18/2007 9:12:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> > >
> > > Okay, okay!   It's true I am part of the "big oil consortium" and we
do
> >sit
> > > around in smoke filled rooms drinking 100 year old scotch and planning
> >your
> > > demise.  Just last week, a young fellow brought in an engine that ran
on
> >bad
> > > information!  OH MY GOSH!  Do you know how much bad information is out
> > > there?  Did you know it is FREE?  Well me and the boys quickly called 
> >our
> > > connections at Black Op, and before you can say 99 cent regular, we
did
> >the
> > > stop, drop and roll drill and he was part of the new bridge on the
I-95
> > > connector.
> > >
> > > I'd like to tell you more, but then I'd have to ki--, well, you know
the
> > > drill.
> > >
> > > Sleep tight,  I'm putting regular in the premium tank tomorrow!! 
You'll
> > > never know!  Oh my gosh, I just kill me!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > Steve (the bad) Royster
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> > >
> > >
> > > > Isn't it strange that we've heard nothing from Mike"Big Oil"Royster?
> >Maybe
> > > > he bought up some of those patents himself !  Probably why he
wasn't 
> >in
> > > > Cool
> > > > Spring with the rest of us, he was researching patents that might 
> >steal
> > > > some
> > > > of his profits.  Look out Kelley !
> > > >                           Steve the good Royster!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>From: Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
> > > >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
> ><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > >>To: "slick at toltbbs.com" <slick at toltbbs.com>,        SEL
> > > >><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > >>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> > > >>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
> > > >>
> > > >>Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
> > > >>It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it
was
> > > >>Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
> > > >>companies!
> > > >>
> > > >>Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.
> > > >>
> > > >>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
> > > >>Converter.
> > > >>No plans on releasing it as yet.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>See ya,
> > > >>Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Rob,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can 
> >possibly
> > > >> > comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had
the
> > > >>ability
> > > >> > to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be
> >secret
> > > >> > technologies now would they?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take
> >this
> > > >> > thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, 
> >I've
> > > >>cc'd
> > > >> > Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide
subscription
> > > >> > info
> > > >> > for those willing to jump into the pool.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?
> >(Purchased
> > > >>by
> > > >> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
> > > >> > So much to discuss...  So little time...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > See ya,  Arnie
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Arnie Fero
> > > >> > Pittsburgh, PA
> > > >> > fero_ah at city-net.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
> > > >> >>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental
effects 
> >to
> > > >> >>> the
> > > >> >>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought
out 
> >by
> > > >> >>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the
government
> >as
> > > >> >>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Brent,
> > > >> >> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my 
> >head
> > > >> >> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on
the
> > > >> >> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm
calling
> >you
> > > >> >> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us
of
> >the
> > > >> >> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of
secrecy).
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 1.  Name the technology.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of 
> >power,
> > > >> >> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
> > > >> >> materials to energy.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to
prevent
> >YOU
> > > >> >> from utilizing these technologies.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It 
> >will
> > > >> >> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
> > > >> >> enlighten us with facts.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get
em
> > > >> >> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support
your
> > > >> >> contentions.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to
slick-request at toltbbs.com
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SIGs!
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 20 21:05:13 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:05:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - now barn
Message-ID: <410-2200764214513671@earthlink.net>

Nice looking barn Bill.  There is a small problem with it, not BIG enough.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas





From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Thu Jun 21 00:16:30 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:16:30 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
	<4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <008401c7b3d4$1a05b9d0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Sounds like the guy in the black cap took frothy and made a clean get
away..?  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2007 12:52 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Steve Royster wrote:
> HI Tim, It's a sad story, At the conclusion of my research and just 
> prior to sending the cad files to the cnc operator, my front door was 
> kicked in one night and there stood a tall masked man with a large 
> shotgun. I was tied up and severely beaten... but in the end your 
> perpetual motion engine was stolen.  I just haven't had the heart to 
> tell you until now.  I think they drove off in a HUMMER like my brother 
> Mike drives so I suspect Big Oil was involved. Sorry it ended this way 
> Tim, but you still have a New Way transport to move you around Kansas.  
> Steve Royster
===
Steve, that sounds suspiciously like what happened to "Frothy", the soap 
bubble powered engine I invented. Ran on the spin-cycle principle. Same 
looking guy, did yours have a black hat?

Engine ran clean as a whistle, but it needed some special soap to 
produce bubbles of the correct surface tension for best efficiency. I 
was working on that and had arranged for John Culp to supply, but 
suddenly and inexplicably he was unable to obtain his usual ingredients.

Make you think, eh?

JW?
===

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From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Jun 21 01:52:43 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:52:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - new engine designs
In-Reply-To: <410-2200764214122234@earthlink.net>
References: <410-2200764214122234@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <0JJZ00KEWA0U29YH@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

At 11:01 PM 6/20/2007, you wrote:
>Anyway,
>I got a newer improved engine that runs on Liberal Spit


And they said perpetual motion was impossible...

-Tony



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun 21 02:36:44 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:36:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - new engine designs
References: <410-2200764214122234@earthlink.net>
	<0JJZ00KEWA0U29YH@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <053101c7b3e7$b0c11690$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hey, if wit was burnable, we could ALL ride free!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - new engine designs


> At 11:01 PM 6/20/2007, you wrote:
>>Anyway,
>>I got a newer improved engine that runs on Liberal Spit
> 
> 
> And they said perpetual motion was impossible...
> 
> -Tony
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun 21 04:38:50 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - now barn
In-Reply-To: <410-2200764214513671@earthlink.net>
References: <410-2200764214513671@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3130.165.206.180.53.1182425930.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I'm afraid you are correct. I wish it was a few more square feet.
It will contain my tractor (F20) and at least 3 cars, may need to put in a
lift so I can "stack" them.

My hope is with the tractor and lawn/garden equipment out of the other
garage addition, my engines can breath a bit.
That poor 7hp Chapman still sits unassembled and buried under piles of
"stuff".
The F20 sits with lumber piled around it, and I have to squeeze through to
use the sandblast cabinet.
There's never enough room!



Bill

> Nice looking barn Bill.  There is a small problem with it, not BIG enough.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun 21 04:50:46 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:50:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - new engine designs
In-Reply-To: <0JJZ00KEWA0U29YH@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <410-2200764214122234@earthlink.net>
	<0JJZ00KEWA0U29YH@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <3214.165.206.180.53.1182426646.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Renewable fuel we'll never run short of..........



> At 11:01 PM 6/20/2007, you wrote:
>>Anyway,
>>I got a newer improved engine that runs on Liberal Spit
>
>
> And they said perpetual motion was impossible...
>
> -Tony
>
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>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jun 21 06:48:16 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:48:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
	<4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Jack,

I KNOW the guy that took that special engine.  Name's Rick Monk, BIG guy,
full beard, definitely looks like a terrorist.  His accomplice (good
lookin' gal) goes by the nickname "Bubbles."  He even ran that engine at
Portland and Coolspring a few years.  He had it belted to a conventional
hit & miss engine and was _claiming_ that it was a "bubble machine."  But
close examination of the display showed that the so-called hit & miss was
just a shell, no fuel, no exhaust, all the power was coming from the
Bubble Engine.

Rick & Bubbles appear to have disappeared (he used to post to the SEL a
lot) and hasn't been seen at any shows in years.  The mysterious Bubble
Engine hasn't been seen either.

At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Jack Watson wrote:

> ===
> Steve, that sounds suspiciously like what happened to "Frothy", the soap
> bubble powered engine I invented. Ran on the spin-cycle principle. Same
> looking guy, did yours have a black hat?
>
> Engine ran clean as a whistle, but it needed some special soap to
> produce bubbles of the correct surface tension for best efficiency. I
> was working on that and had arranged for John Culp to supply, but
> suddenly and inexplicably he was unable to obtain his usual ingredients.



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jun 21 06:15:12 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:15:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl><4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001101c7b406$33596ad0$0601a8c0@altech>


Hi Arnie
I got some pics somewhere from Portland 1999

Pete, Oz





> G'day Jack,
>
> I KNOW the guy that took that special engine.  Name's Rick Monk, BIG guy,
> full beard, definitely looks like a terrorist.  His accomplice (good
> lookin' gal) goes by the nickname "Bubbles."  He even ran that engine at
> Portland and Coolspring a few years.  He had it belted to a conventional
> hit & miss engine and was _claiming_ that it was a "bubble machine."  But
> close examination of the display showed that the so-called hit & miss was
> just a shell, no fuel, no exhaust, all the power was coming from the
> Bubble Engine.
>
> Rick & Bubbles appear to have disappeared (he used to post to the SEL a
> lot) and hasn't been seen at any shows in years.  The mysterious Bubble
> Engine hasn't been seen either.
>
> At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
> Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
> got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Jack Watson wrote:
>
>> ===
>> Steve, that sounds suspiciously like what happened to "Frothy", the soap
>> bubble powered engine I invented. Ran on the spin-cycle principle. Same
>> looking guy, did yours have a black hat?
>>
>> Engine ran clean as a whistle, but it needed some special soap to
>> produce bubbles of the correct surface tension for best efficiency. I
>> was working on that and had arranged for John Culp to supply, but
>> suddenly and inexplicably he was unable to obtain his usual ingredients.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Jun 21 06:23:06 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:23:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
Message-ID: <380-22007642113236218@coastalnet.com>

http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/CS-98/TOF00019.JPG


> [Original Message]
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/21/2007 9:52:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
>
> G'day Jack,
> At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
> Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
> got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com




From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Jun 21 06:24:59 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:24:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
Message-ID: <380-220076421132459468@coastalnet.com>

Should have put the main page:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/CS-98/cool98-menu.html

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/21/2007 9:52:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
>
> G'day Jack,

>
> At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
> Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
> got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com




From shop at cccomm.net  Thu Jun 21 06:45:27 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:45:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <20070620.124409.1240.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <01fe01c7b40a$6df25860$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Yea, all the simple stuff.
Have a lot of the stuff made, new ignitor shafts and point ends, head now 
has valve guide inserts back to standard size, in the process of making 
valves out of a hunk of stainless. Got ahold of the Otto guy who claims to 
make rings to spec, gave him the sizes and credit card number two months ago 
and haven't heard from him since......
Other than that, I'm slowly gaining on it.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T


> Nice job Dave.  Except for the head, block, rod, piston, ignitor, valves,
> and the other little rusty pieces that looks like an easy restoration.
> <VBG>
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:47:51 -0700 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
>> Got it on good authority that some of the older California engine
>> guys had a
>> consensus of opinion on the Fairbanks T red color. I got ahold of
>> one of
>> them and after a little coaxing he finally gave me the color code.
>> Old
>> Dulux color before Dupont Centuri.  For those interested it is
>> 93-2564-8.
>> Napa crossed matched it from their national help desk and came up
>> with
>> Crossfire 53B 2569 Red Acrylic Enamel.
>> Painted some this morning, pic's at
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp
>>
>>
>> Dave
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> 




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun 21 07:31:43 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:31:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <001101c7b406$33596ad0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl><4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<001101c7b406$33596ad0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <3925.165.206.180.53.1182436303.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Is his email still any good?

RGMTRUCK at aol.com


Bill

>
> Hi Arnie
> I got some pics somewhere from Portland 1999
>
> Pete, Oz
>
>
>
>
>
>> G'day Jack,
>>
>> I KNOW the guy that took that special engine.  Name's Rick Monk, BIG
>> guy,
>> full beard, definitely looks like a terrorist.  His accomplice (good
>> lookin' gal) goes by the nickname "Bubbles."  He even ran that engine at
>> Portland and Coolspring a few years.  He had it belted to a conventional
>> hit & miss engine and was _claiming_ that it was a "bubble machine."
>> But
>> close examination of the display showed that the so-called hit & miss
>> was
>> just a shell, no fuel, no exhaust, all the power was coming from the
>> Bubble Engine.
>>
>> Rick & Bubbles appear to have disappeared (he used to post to the SEL a
>> lot) and hasn't been seen at any shows in years.  The mysterious Bubble
>> Engine hasn't been seen either.
>>
>> At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and
>> the
>> Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil
>> folks
>> got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Jack Watson wrote:
>>
>>> ===
>>> Steve, that sounds suspiciously like what happened to "Frothy", the
>>> soap
>>> bubble powered engine I invented. Ran on the spin-cycle principle. Same
>>> looking guy, did yours have a black hat?
>>>
>>> Engine ran clean as a whistle, but it needed some special soap to
>>> produce bubbles of the correct surface tension for best efficiency. I
>>> was working on that and had arranged for John Culp to supply, but
>>> suddenly and inexplicably he was unable to obtain his usual
>>> ingredients.
>>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jun 21 07:51:27 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:51:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>	<4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <467A906F.6010206@imc-group.com>

Arnie,
By golly it is all coming together now. Rick, being a middle aged guy is 
WAY to young to retire. But a couple of years ago he sold his business 
catering to fuel hungry engines and auctioned off most of his petrol 
burning hit and miss engines too. Sounds like being in possession of the 
perpetual bubble machine put him in the position of never having to work 
on another big engine again, nor filling the tanks of the h&m engines 
either. Last we heard he was headed to the great white north of upper 
Michigan living in a brand new place with no electricity or internet 
service. It all makes since, he's powering the place with the bubble 
machine! Guess that whole "nice guy" persona was a mere front for the 
energy terrorist he really is. Just when you think you really know 
someone......
Curt

Arnie Fero wrote:
> G'day Jack,
>
> I KNOW the guy that took that special engine.  Name's Rick Monk, BIG guy,
> full beard, definitely looks like a terrorist.  His accomplice (good
> lookin' gal) goes by the nickname "Bubbles."  He even ran that engine at
> Portland and Coolspring a few years.  He had it belted to a conventional
> hit & miss engine and was _claiming_ that it was a "bubble machine."  But
> close examination of the display showed that the so-called hit & miss was
> just a shell, no fuel, no exhaust, all the power was coming from the
> Bubble Engine.
>
> Rick & Bubbles appear to have disappeared (he used to post to the SEL a
> lot) and hasn't been seen at any shows in years.  The mysterious Bubble
> Engine hasn't been seen either.
>
> At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
> Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
> got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
>   



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Jun 21 08:03:11 2007
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:03:11 EDT
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
Message-ID: <ca3.124f70e7.33abed2f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/21/2007 9:42:49 AM Central Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

Is his email still any good?

RGMTRUCK at aol.com


Bill

Hi Bill,
AOL says it is.
Ron



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Jun 21 11:10:28 2007
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:10:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl><4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <010901c7b42f$7330a960$0200a8c0@fbi>

Hi Arnie

Nothing of the Bubble Engine more recent than 1999
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland/bubbles.jpg

Dolly

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>

> At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
> Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
> got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jun 21 12:07:44 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:07:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <380-220076421132459468@coastalnet.com>
References: <380-220076421132459468@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706211451220.98040@vegeta.city-net.com>

1998!  DAMN, THAT was a great year at Coolspring!
Misty...  The 12 hp Herc...  Misty...  Rick & the Bubble Engine...
Misty...  Matt and the Love Ewes...  Misty...  (well, you get the idea...)
8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Here's another shot of that terrorist Rick Monk at Portland 2000 with
the rest of his Tag Team Wrestlers and their coach/trainer/manager.  8-))
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Portland_2000/57.jpg
BTW it ain't easy to make Rick look like a little fella.

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Ken Christison wrote:

> Should have put the main page:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/CS-98/cool98-menu.html
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> > At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
> > Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
> > got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jun 21 12:17:54 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:17:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <010901c7b42f$7330a960$0200a8c0@fbi>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl><4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<010901c7b42f$7330a960$0200a8c0@fbi>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706211512480.98040@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Dolly,

That's a GREAT pic!  It shows the awesome power of that little Bubble
Engine effortlessly driving that 6 hp Titan!  Thanks for posting that.

I'll bet that ol' Rich is still powering his place in the Michigan woods
on that original charge of bubbles.  I wonder if some bright spark could
reverse-engineer the Bubble Engine from the pics?  I'm really surprised
that Big Oil has missed so many of the pics on the net!  Or maybe they
just didn't realize how far back they had to go?  OH NOOOOOO!!!!  We've
just given them the key to eradicating ALL evidence of the mighty Bubble
Engine.  We're doomed.....

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Jim French wrote:

> Nothing of the Bubble Engine more recent than 1999
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland/bubbles.jpg



From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Thu Jun 21 12:34:38 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:34:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl><4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au><Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com><010901c7b42f$7330a960$0200a8c0@fbi>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706211512480.98040@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <011d01c7b43b$5fe1c450$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>



Forget all that shit, problem's solved.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,285361,00.html
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!


> Hi Dolly,
>
> That's a GREAT pic!  It shows the awesome power of that little Bubble
> Engine effortlessly driving that 6 hp Titan!  Thanks for posting that.
>
> I'll bet that ol' Rich is still powering his place in the Michigan woods
> on that original charge of bubbles.  I wonder if some bright spark could
> reverse-engineer the Bubble Engine from the pics?  I'm really surprised
> that Big Oil has missed so many of the pics on the net!  Or maybe they
> just didn't realize how far back they had to go?  OH NOOOOOO!!!!  We've
> just given them the key to eradicating ALL evidence of the mighty Bubble
> Engine.  We're doomed.....
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Jim French wrote:
>
>> Nothing of the Bubble Engine more recent than 1999
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland/bubbles.jpg
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 
> 2:18 PM
>
> 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 22 13:19:20 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:19:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!       ARNIE is wrong.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <493571.97671.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Arnie,

Just last July I saw Rick and Bubbles at the Walloon Flywheelers  show at Walloon, Michigan.
Without the beard or overalls I had to study a while before I was sure it really was him. 8>))

Just kidding,,,,,,  Maybe some of this will get him to speak up here.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

--------------Arnie Wrote-------------------


Rick & Bubbles appear to have disappeared (he used to post to the SEL a
lot) and hasn't been seen at any shows in years.  The mysterious Bubble
Engine hasn't been seen either.


       
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jun 22 19:32:07 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:32:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070622212607.01dd89b8@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now up on our 
HP at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Sorry there are 
so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
	Dave



From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Fri Jun 22 20:19:17 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:19:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070622212607.01dd89b8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <00ac01c7b545$48ab1150$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Did you know that the captions on your Coolspring pictures say Coolsprings?
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures


> Hi All,
> Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now up on our
> HP at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Sorry there are
> so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
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> 5:53 PM
>
> 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun 23 05:08:25 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:08:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c7b545$48ab1150$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070622212607.01dd89b8@mail.alltel.net>
	<00ac01c7b545$48ab1150$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070623070654.01d8fa00@mail.alltel.net>

Thanks Skip, I'll take care of it! MY BAD!
         Dave

At 10:19 PM 6/22/2007, Skip Cleveland wrote:
>Did you know that the captions on your Coolspring pictures say Coolsprings?
>Skip
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:32 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
>
>
> > Hi All,
> > Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now up on our
> > HP at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Sorry there are
> > so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
> > Dave
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
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From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun 23 05:08:27 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:08:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Show Pictures
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070622212607.01dd89b8@mail.alltel.net><00ac01c7b545$48ab1150$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070623070654.01d8fa00@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <003d01c7b58f$35648780$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Nice engine.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Show Pictures


> Thanks Skip, I'll take care of it! MY BAD!
>         Dave
>
> At 10:19 PM 6/22/2007, Skip Cleveland wrote:
>>Did you know that the captions on your Coolspring pictures say 
>>Coolsprings?
>>Skip
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
>><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:32 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
>>
>>
>> > Hi All,
>> > Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now up on 
>> > our
>> > HP at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Sorry there 
>> > are
>> > so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > No virus found in this incoming message.
>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.4/860 - Release Date: 
>> > 6/21/2007
>> > 5:53 PM
>> >
>> >
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 23 06:32:23 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:32:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070622212607.01dd89b8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <002e01c7b59a$ef809180$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Dave for the GREAT pictures, I really enjoyed them.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures


> Hi All,
> Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now up on our
> HP at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Sorry there are




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jun 23 06:35:25 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 06:35:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070622212607.01dd89b8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070622212607.01dd89b8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <B518E99A-E64F-46D0-B9D6-7B4F1319701E@rustyiron.com>


On Jun 22, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi All,
> 	Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now up  
> on our
> HP at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Sorry  
> there are
> so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
> 	Dave

Hi Dave,
What's with the big For Sale sign on your 15 horse Famous?  She's  
such a sweet running and beautiful engine!  Isn't she also quite  
desirable because she has the lower horsepower rating, before they re- 
rated the line?

Rob






From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sat Jun 23 06:46:09 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:46:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
In-Reply-To: <852809.91713.qm@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <000001c7b1f7$52ad0e20$6501a8c0@bleeding8718f5>
	<852809.91713.qm@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070623135153.52873585BC@gw1.nlenet.net>

Sorry about the off topic but someone here knows everything.

I am working on a Synchronome master clock and I need to build a 
part.  It calls for .031 Silver Steel wire.  The wire needs to be 
flattened on one end, and be bent, and stay bent. The forces on it 
once bent and installed are very low

My problem is I don't know what silver-steel wire is or where to get 
it. Is jewelers silver wire actually silver steel?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Frank

  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jun 23 07:27:52 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:27:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
In-Reply-To: <20070623135153.52873585BC@gw1.nlenet.net>
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On Jun 23, 2007, at 6:46 AM, Frank DeWitt wrote:

> Sorry about the off topic but someone here knows everything.
>
> I am working on a Synchronome master clock and I need to build a  
> part.  It calls for .031 Silver Steel wire.  The wire needs to be  
> flattened on one end, and be bent, and stay bent. The forces on it  
> once bent and installed are very low
>
> My problem is I don't know what silver-steel wire is or where to  
> get it. Is jewelers silver wire actually silver steel?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.

Hi Frank,
I'm no metalurgist, but I'll pretend to know something in this  
instance.  Silver Steel is a colloquialism for high-carbon steel.   
Piano wire is high carbon steel.  I just checked the garage, and all  
my piano wire is 0.022".  We use it for making plumb bobs that you  
hang from the top of an elevator shaft and hang a ten pound fish  
plate at the bottom.  It's tough stuff.

If you can use some, I can stick some in an envelope.  I'm sure  
McMaster-Carr would have exactly the diameter you need.  It's not  
expensive.

Rob




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 23 08:33:01 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:33:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
Message-ID: <410-22007662315331109@earthlink.net>

Frank, I was going to say the same thing as Rob, you can go to a music
store that sells gutairs and they will have many different sizes of wire,
you will have to buy a set of 6 but you could get it today.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Date: 6/23/2007 9:32:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2007, at 6:46 AM, Frank DeWitt wrote:
>
> > Sorry about the off topic but someone here knows everything.
> >
> > I am working on a Synchronome master clock and I need to build a  
> > part.  It calls for .031 Silver Steel wire.  The wire needs to be  
> > flattened on one end, and be bent, and stay bent. The forces on it  
> > once bent and installed are very low
> >
> > My problem is I don't know what silver-steel wire is or where to  
> > get it. Is jewelers silver wire actually silver steel?
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> Hi Frank,
> I'm no metalurgist, but I'll pretend to know something in this  
> instance.  Silver Steel is a colloquialism for high-carbon steel.   
> Piano wire is high carbon steel.  I just checked the garage, and all  
> my piano wire is 0.022".  We use it for making plumb bobs that you  
> hang from the top of an elevator shaft and hang a ten pound fish  
> plate at the bottom.  It's tough stuff.
>
> If you can use some, I can stick some in an envelope.  I'm sure  
> McMaster-Carr would have exactly the diameter you need.  It's not  
> expensive.
>
> Rob
>
>
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Sat Jun 23 08:48:42 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:48:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
Message-ID: <380-220076623154842218@coastalnet.com>

Frank,

Just find a piano tuner/technician in your area and he will probably
be able to give you a short piece of #13 piano wire.  That size is
.031.

Take care.

Ken




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Jun 23 09:46:05 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:46:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show & Auction Photos
References: <196359.73312.qm@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7b5b5$fe63f460$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Excellent as usual Steve!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show & Auction Photos


> Since I don't want to flood the market with too many photos at one time,
> Here are links to the first several events that I took in this year.
>
> A Friday night car cruz in my hometown of Downers Grove, IL (the suburbs
> of Chicago) that featured gas engines and tractors....My Dad and I got
> "Best in show trophy"  We also got invited back at the end of the summer
> for the Trophy night where the top exhibit from each weekend's cruz is on
> display...
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007DGCruz.htm
>
> Auction in Lacon IL (1 mile from the show the same day as the show) which
> took 2 hours to sell every thing.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007LaconAuction.htm
>
> Show at Lacon IL
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007Lacon.htm
>
> Oh, I forgot the toy show that has a tractor show with it in mid march in
> Sublette, IL...Didn't take any photos of the toys, but did take some of
> the tractors in the few spare minutes that I had as I was busy most of the
> day helping a dealer sell construction models.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007Sublette.htm
>
> And IF you didn't have enough to look at,  The auction results from North,
> VA are at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007simon1.htm
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jun 23 12:19:03 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:19:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
In-Reply-To: <53C57F7C-B310-4098-8364-31CD3BD58160@rustyiron.com>
References: <000001c7b1f7$52ad0e20$6501a8c0@bleeding8718f5>
	<852809.91713.qm@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20070623135153.52873585BC@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<53C57F7C-B310-4098-8364-31CD3BD58160@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1182626343.467d7227e3cf9@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Frank,

Most good hobby shops would also stock a wide selection of piano wire in short
lengths (18" or 36").  Its usually with the model airplane stuff.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> I'm no metalurgist, but I'll pretend to know something in this  
> instance.  Silver Steel is a colloquialism for high-carbon steel.   
> Piano wire is high carbon steel.  I just checked the garage, and all  
> my piano wire is 0.022".  We use it for making plumb bobs that you  
> hang from the top of an elevator shaft and hang a ten pound fish  
> plate at the bottom.  It's tough stuff.
> 
> If you can use some, I can stick some in an envelope.  I'm sure  
> McMaster-Carr would have exactly the diameter you need.  It's not  
> expensive.



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sat Jun 23 13:37:17 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:37:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Show Pictures
Message-ID: <20070623204206.13B9158D89@gw1.nlenet.net>


Hi All,
         Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are 
now up on our
HP at: 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html 
Sorry there are
so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
         Dave


What's the story on the steam roller in the weeds? That's just not 
right.  Did you see what kind it is?

Frank

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    LBP  INC.                   |  Fax     585 624 1038
    2365 Cox Rd.              |     N 42.9130  W 
77.5164|
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun 23 15:21:14 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:21:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <20070623204206.13B9158D89@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <20070623204206.13B9158D89@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070623171928.01de2768@mail.alltel.net>


>Hi All,
>         Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now 
> up on our
>HP at: 
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html 
>Sorry there are
>so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
>         Dave
>What's the story on the steam roller in the weeds? That's just not 
>right.  Did you see what kind it is?
>Frank

Hi Frank,
         It's a Buffalo-Springfield road roller. (It runs on gasoline.) The 
guy who was driving it decided to go up hill and change gears while doing 
so. He missed the gear that he was trying to get it into and rolled down 
hill backwards--and into a gully. (The thing apparently has no brakes.)  No 
one was hurt luckily! They got the roller out of the gully on Sunday after 
the show. Some scratches on the paint, but otherwise no damage. Could have 
been a LOT worse!
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun 23 15:27:16 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:27:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
In-Reply-To: <1182626343.467d7227e3cf9@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <000001c7b1f7$52ad0e20$6501a8c0@bleeding8718f5>
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	<20070623135153.52873585BC@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<53C57F7C-B310-4098-8364-31CD3BD58160@rustyiron.com>
	<1182626343.467d7227e3cf9@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070623172655.01d8fa00@mail.alltel.net>

Is this a GREAT List, or what?
         Dave

At 02:19 PM 6/23/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Frank,
>
>Most good hobby shops would also stock a wide selection of piano wire in short
>lengths (18" or 36").  Its usually with the model airplane stuff.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:
>
> > I'm no metalurgist, but I'll pretend to know something in this
> > instance.  Silver Steel is a colloquialism for high-carbon steel.
> > Piano wire is high carbon steel.  I just checked the garage, and all
> > my piano wire is 0.022".  We use it for making plumb bobs that you
> > hang from the top of an elevator shaft and hang a ten pound fish
> > plate at the bottom.  It's tough stuff.
> >
> > If you can use some, I can stick some in an envelope.  I'm sure
> > McMaster-Carr would have exactly the diameter you need.  It's not
> > expensive.
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 23 15:49:22 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:49:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <d37e504152874e00c867e09cfce1efb2@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEHJFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

John:

I bought a couple of cans of Red Devil Lye just a couple of years ago.  Found it in the drain cleaning section at one store and the detergent/soap section at another.

You COULD do it the old fashioned way and simply slowly pour water over wood ashes.  What results is what they used to make soap in the "good old days".

"sodium hydroxide" (lye) should be commonly available at chemical supply houses.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of John Culp
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 07:57 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> 
> 
> > You mean Red Devil Lye?
> 
> Alas, it's been off the market for a few years, 
> which has put me out of 
> the soapmaking business. I've just located some 
> new sources of lye, but 
> now I have to go through a bunch of Mickey Mouse 
> crap with faxing in 
> liability releases to order it and recalculate 
> recipes because it comes 
> in different size containers.
> 
> John Culp




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 23 15:51:23 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:51:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEHKFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Remember the first rules of thermodynamics.......

Rule one:  You can never win!

Rule two: You can't even break even!

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> JR504 at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 09:19 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> 
> 
>  
> It's funny you say that.  I was giving a talk on 
> Biodiesel at a  regional 
> alternative energy fair and there was a guy there 
> promoting a system  that uses 
> the alternator to split water into hydrogen and 
> oxygen, and then  plumbs it at 
> low pressure into the intake manifold, claiming 
> power and mileage  benefits.  
> When I questioned how the tailpipe emissions 
> could  possibly be oxygen (my 
> combustion chemistry must be getting fuzzy) he 
> got  pretty cranky.  He bashed my 
> lack of vision saying I was the kind of guy  that 
> stood in the way of energy 
> progress.  Well, I ended up saying that I  had a 
> vision of a car that ran on 
> grass clippings and emitted ice cream (to  
> consume on the trip, you know)...but 
> that didn't mean it could happen  someday.  As 
> you might imagine, we're not 
> buddies now.  
> As long as there are people to listen, there will 
> be people talking about  
> free energy and 100 MPG carburetors.  Hopefully 
> us nay-sayers and  repressors 
> don't discourage someone from inventing the REAL 
> flux capacitor.  :-)
>  
> Joe




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun 23 15:06:18 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (johnculp at chartertn.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:06:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - new engine designs
Message-ID: <860737654.1182636378079.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>

---- R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote: 
> Hey, if wit was burnable, we could ALL ride free!!

Us half-wits could ride for half price. 

John 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun 23 17:16:40 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (johnculp at chartertn.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:16:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
Message-ID: <858579064.1182644200292.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>

---- Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote: 
> John:
> 
> I bought a couple of cans of Red Devil Lye just a couple of years ago.  Found it in the drain cleaning section at one store and the detergent/soap section at another.
> 
> You COULD do it the old fashioned way and simply slowly pour water over wood ashes.  What results is what they used to make soap in the "good old days".
> 
> "sodium hydroxide" (lye) should be commonly available at chemical supply houses.

Yeah. What came out of the wood ashes in a pot is potash, aptly named. Highly variable in composition, it made soap of highly variable quality, and of soft and gooey texture. "The old soft soap." 

Chemical supply houses tend to be suspicious of new buyers these days. Buying lye in quantity tends to put one on watch lists for meth makers. I think pressure from law enforcement agencies against groceries carrying Red Devil Lye pushed it out of business. I've found it impossible to buy concentrated ammonia locally for some time on account of the same reason. 

Several years ago I ran across a law enforcement document online, not intended to be public, explaining the technique to be used of going to store managers, flashing the badge, and explaining that customers looking for these substances were likely to be manufacturing illegal drugs. If they were not known to the manager, he should act as though he did not have the stuff, get as good a description of the attempted buyer and his vehicle as possible, and call the cops. That happened to me when I went to a janitorial supply house looking for strong ammonia! Store manager must've just been visited by the cops. He looked like he'd just seen a ghost. Looked me up and down trying to memorize my description as he stammered that they didn't have any and didn't know where I could get any, then peeked out the blinds to try to see my car and license plate. Must've thought I was a big meth kingpin for sure. Wal-Mart set off an alarm when Jane unknowingly bought more cold medicine with pseudephedrine than they unofficially allowed, before there were any legal restrictions, and there were no notices posted. They did the same with paint thinner and denatured alcohol. 

The whole idea of prior restraint, restricting honest citizens' access to legal things with normal legitimate uses because they COULD be misused, is wrong IMO. Same idea as gun control, no difference. I'm tired of hearing "If it saves just one child, it's worth it!" Meanwhile, I can't blame the chemical dealers for being scared. A dealer in Chattanooga got a 15 year prison sentence last year. Said he should've known anybody buying a bunch of elemental iodine was probably making meth. Bull! I can't buy the idea that a chemical dealer is a mindreader who knows what somebody's going to do with the stuff he sells, or that iodine automatically means somebody's making meth. I well recall acquiring several pounds of it myself in my younger days. Most of it went up in pretty purple smoke bombs, actually. But that poor guy's sitting in federal prison, his life ruined. This is just another small example of how the war on drugs is ruining our society. Not drugs themselves; the war on drugs. That's what's made the drug problem. The more we fight it, the worse we make it.



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sat Jun 23 19:00:53 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:00:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Show Pictures
Message-ID: <20070624020153.CE09657C82@gw1.nlenet.net>


 >What's the story on the steam roller in the weeds? That's just not
 >right.  Did you see what kind it is?
 >Frank

Hi Frank,
          It's a Buffalo-Springfield road roller. (It runs on gasoline.) The
guy who was driving it decided to go up hill and change gears while doing
so. He missed the gear that he was trying to get it into and rolled down
hill backwards--and into a gully. (The thing apparently has no brakes.)  No
one was hurt luckily! They got the roller out of the gully on Sunday after
the show. Some scratches on the paint, but otherwise no damage. Could have
been a LOT worse!
          Dave


That had to be quite a ride.  I drove a Buffalo-Springfield steam 
roller a couple of weeks ago.  It was a handful.  The smooth wheels 
have very little traction, the steering is slow and hard and it had 
no brakes, BUT with a steam engine you can reverse the engine and 
stop it in a hurry but gas...  Wow.

Here are a couple of shots of the steam version.
http://lbpinc.com/Steam/bs-2.jpg
This one shows part of the gear box.  Well OK there is no box.
http://lbpinc.com/Steam/BS-a.jpg

Frank

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    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
    LBP  INC.                   |  Fax     585 624 1038
    2365 Cox Rd.              |     N 42.9130  W 
77.5164|
    Bloomfield NY 14469   |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/

   

From JR504 at aol.com  Sat Jun 23 20:42:42 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:42:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
Message-ID: <d18.d654457.33af4232@aol.com>

Hit N Miss enterprises sells .031" Music wire in 2 foot lengths for  $1.38.  
Part # HD351 if the online catalog is correct.
Joe Rappa
Mexico, NY



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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun 24 02:47:34 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:47:34 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <858579064.1182644200292.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>
References: <858579064.1182644200292.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>
Message-ID: <007b01c7b644$b18456a0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

I have found in a rural area these chemicals are available for cleaning
dairy plant for farms so reasonably easy to buy concentrated sodium
hydroxide and sodium hypochloride strong alkalie cleaners those products you
mentioned have been the basic ingredients for most cleaners for years so i
dont understand why the reaction to people buying them.I wouldnt mind trying
to make some though just for the sake of it.Sodium hydroxide is good for an
electrolytic bath as it degreases the parts and removes paint at the same
time as the rust is removed. The other place i have been able to buy
degreasers is commercial cleaning companys that supply the local business ie
hotels and motels etc..I have bought ammonia at the supermarket for cleaning
withouit any problems.Again these days many of these products are being
replaced by user friendly products unfortunately most are not so good. 
brent      

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
johnculp at chartertn.net
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2007 12:17 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent

---- Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote: 
> John:
> 
> I bought a couple of cans of Red Devil Lye just a couple of years ago.
Found it in the drain cleaning section at one store and the detergent/soap
section at another.
> 
> You COULD do it the old fashioned way and simply slowly pour water over
wood ashes.  What results is what they used to make soap in the "good old
days".
> 
> "sodium hydroxide" (lye) should be commonly available at chemical supply
houses.

Yeah. What came out of the wood ashes in a pot is potash, aptly named.
Highly variable in composition, it made soap of highly variable quality, and
of soft and gooey texture. "The old soft soap." 

Chemical supply houses tend to be suspicious of new buyers these days.
Buying lye in quantity tends to put one on watch lists for meth makers. I
think pressure from law enforcement agencies against groceries carrying Red
Devil Lye pushed it out of business. I've found it impossible to buy
concentrated ammonia locally for some time on account of the same reason. 

Several years ago I ran across a law enforcement document online, not
intended to be public, explaining the technique to be used of going to store
managers, flashing the badge, and explaining that customers looking for
these substances were likely to be manufacturing illegal drugs. If they were
not known to the manager, he should act as though he did not have the stuff,
get as good a description of the attempted buyer and his vehicle as
possible, and call the cops. That happened to me when I went to a janitorial
supply house looking for strong ammonia! Store manager must've just been
visited by the cops. He looked like he'd just seen a ghost. Looked me up and
down trying to memorize my description as he stammered that they didn't have
any and didn't know where I could get any, then peeked out the blinds to try
to see my car and license plate. Must've thought I was a big meth kingpin
for sure. Wal-Mart set off an alarm when Jane unknowingly bought more cold
medicine with pseu!
 dephedrine than they unofficially allowed, before there were any legal
restrictions, and there were no notices posted. They did the same with paint
thinner and denatured alcohol. 

The whole idea of prior restraint, restricting honest citizens' access to
legal things with normal legitimate uses because they COULD be misused, is
wrong IMO. Same idea as gun control, no difference. I'm tired of hearing "If
it saves just one child, it's worth it!" Meanwhile, I can't blame the
chemical dealers for being scared. A dealer in Chattanooga got a 15 year
prison sentence last year. Said he should've known anybody buying a bunch of
elemental iodine was probably making meth. Bull! I can't buy the idea that a
chemical dealer is a mindreader who knows what somebody's going to do with
the stuff he sells, or that iodine automatically means somebody's making
meth. I well recall acquiring several pounds of it myself in my younger
days. Most of it went up in pretty purple smoke bombs, actually. But that
poor guy's sitting in federal prison, his life ruined. This is just another
small example of how the war on drugs is ruining our society. Not drugs
themselves; the war on d!
 rugs. That's what's made the drug problem. The more we fight it, the worse
we make it.

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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sun Jun 24 06:32:33 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:32:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Stration
Message-ID: <20070624103242.1D85B39D948@md5.pennswoods.net>

Can any one give me the app years the model A briggs was built And 
the model F in this line
Thanks
R Fink




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun 24 04:36:50 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 07:36:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Stration
References: <20070624103242.1D85B39D948@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <006501c7b653$f4f22840$19eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>

Try these--I think you'll recognize one of the names.

http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Technical/Briggs.htm



John Hall


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:32 AM
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Stration


> Can any one give me the app years the model A briggs was built And 
> the model F in this line
> Thanks
> R Fink
> 
> 
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sun Jun 24 08:09:03 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:09:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Stration
In-Reply-To: <006501c7b653$f4f22840$19eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <20070624103242.1D85B39D948@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<006501c7b653$f4f22840$19eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <20070624120914.A6C4D39D95E@md5.pennswoods.net>

Thanks John that is just what i needed.
R Fink



At 07:36 AM 6/24/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>Try these--I think you'll recognize one of the names.
>
>http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Technical/Briggs.htm
>
>
>
>John Hall
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:32 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Briggs Stration
>
>
> > Can any one give me the app years the model A briggs was built And
> > the model F in this line
> > Thanks
> > R Fink
> >
> >
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jun 24 12:44:05 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:44:05 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Show & Auction Photos
Message-ID: <d3c.b9d8898.33b02385@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/19/2007 10:51:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
stevebarr at ameritech.net writes:

A Friday night car cruz in my hometown of Downers Grove, IL (the suburbs
of Chicago) that featured gas engines and tractors....

Steve,
 
Been taking my engines to the local car cruise in at the mall once a month 
for a number of years.  Have a great time as most do not know what they are and 
I am the only thing there making noise.  The cars just sit there looking 
pretty in there shiny paint jobs!  Lots of people there asking questions and Millie 
usually has to drag me away to get home at a reasonable night time hour.
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Jun 24 13:02:38 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:02:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine show at Astle Park
Message-ID: <000d01c7b69a$9ec025c0$e5c30b52@no1>

I enjoyed this 23rd engine show despite the rain showers that occurred a few times on both days.
The site seemed quite good when I left despite the rain.
Lots of lovely engines as usual and as always a good number that I had never seen before.
My pictures are at
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/559604996YiqUAT
I have forgoten the names of several engines, If you know them send me an E Mail & I will correct them.
TIA

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jun 24 23:19:45 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:19:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
Message-ID: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi All
Here is a good auction coming up.

http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/schurman_listing/

Pete, Oz


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun 25 00:26:13 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:26:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
References: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <051001c7b6fb$c2860cc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Sounds good!I didnt know there were any of a few of these in Oz.
I like the Brownwall.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 4:19 PM
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.


> Hi All
> Here is a good auction coming up.
>
> http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/schurman_listing/
>
> Pete, Oz
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun 25 04:24:20 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:24:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
In-Reply-To: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <467FA5E4.9050500@scrtc.com>

The worst part about the auction Peter is that it is the same date as 
Portland.  It would be a good one to go to.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hi All
>Here is a good auction coming up.
>
>http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/schurman_listing/
>
>Pete, Oz
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>
>  
>



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jun 25 04:35:34 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:35:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
References: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<467FA5E4.9050500@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <004801c7b71c$f1d3b7e0$0601a8c0@altech>

Yes Tommy, it makes it hard, but if there is something you want and you got 
the money, there will always be another Portland ;-))

Peter, Oz



> The worst part about the auction Peter is that it is the same date as
> Portland.  It would be a good one to go to.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>Hi All
>>Here is a good auction coming up.
>>
>>http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/schurman_listing/
>>
>>Pete, Oz
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun 25 04:55:56 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:55:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] My Austral
Message-ID: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I put my Austral away on the weekend until its next outing later in the
year. While I was doing that I thought I would take a longer video of it
running and put it on YouTube. There are few nicer looking engines than an
Austral sideshaft, lamp-start engine :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw97xYfA9kY
 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jun 25 06:35:04 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:35:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My Austral
In-Reply-To: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070625082427.01f42dc0@mail.alltel.net>

At 06:55 AM 6/25/2007, you wrote:
>I put my Austral away on the weekend until its next outing later in the
>year. While I was doing that I thought I would take a longer video of it
>running and put it on YouTube. There are few nicer looking engines than an
>Austral sideshaft, lamp-start engine :)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw97xYfA9kY
>Patrick M Livingstone

I agree with you 100% Patrick! I know that my 11 HP Austral gets a LOT of 
attention at the shows to which I've taken it. It not only runs smoothly 
and with very little noise, but it's sheer mass is impressive. Add to this 
6 functions driven by the side shaft (and the "magic" that transpires when 
the timing valve is actuated) and you have a real show stopper!
         Dave
PS, I note that (if I am counting correctly) your 3.5 is hitting about 
every 40th time over. At what speed is it running? (My 11 HP hits about 
every 18th/20th time when running at about 90 RPM's)




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 25 08:23:19 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:23:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
In-Reply-To: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706251122220.64337@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Pete,

Are you SURE about this auction?  There isn't a single R&V or Maytag on
offer!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Here is a good auction coming up.
> http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/schurman_listing/



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 25 10:20:55 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:20:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706251122220.64337@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F32BB9E30AB31B066C23B2095140@phx.gbl>



Speaking of Auctions, Did anyone get pics or prices of the Bardstown Ky. 
auction this past weekend? I wasn't able to make it.    Steve

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Mon Jun 25 12:27:13 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:27:13 +1200
Subject: [SEL] My Austral
In-Reply-To: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <002801c7b75e$d8d67290$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Cool video of yor austral engine can see what it would attract attention
;ovely engine.brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2007 11:56 p.m.
To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List
Subject: [SEL] My Austral

I put my Austral away on the weekend until its next outing later in the
year. While I was doing that I thought I would take a longer video of it
running and put it on YouTube. There are few nicer looking engines than an
Austral sideshaft, lamp-start engine :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw97xYfA9kY
 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/


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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Jun 25 14:29:03 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:29:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My Austral
References: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<002801c7b75e$d8d67290$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <000701c7b76f$db88d8a0$6500a8c0@home>

Hi Dave ;

     I bet your getting real sick and tired of all the people looking , 
watching and asking all sorts of questions  about that Austral , Well I have 
the answer to your problem , When you bring that Engine to Baraboo I will 
save you the trouble of hauling it to Portland , Just bring it to my house 
and I will help you load all my 12 engines on your trailer as an even trade 
, Hell I'll even throw in my toy steam engines , only two of the engines are 
Maytag's so you don't have to spend a fortune on axe's  , Now here is the 
question
DEAL OR NO DEAL ?    :-))

Rex Hinz

 >
> -----Original Message-----
 Mailing List
> Subject: [SEL] My Austral
>
> I put my Austral away on the weekend until its next outing later in the
> year. While I was doing that I thought I would take a longer video of it
> running and put it on YouTube.  >
>
> 


From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Mon Jun 25 17:25:35 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:25:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
References: <BAY144-F32BB9E30AB31B066C23B2095140@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004401c7b788$84e08390$5cb5123f@D8LJ7K91>

Steve,

Go over to smokstak.com, today's posts and scroll down to Kentucky Auction.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Auctions coming up.


>
>
> Speaking of Auctions, Did anyone get pics or prices of the Bardstown Ky.
> auction this past weekend? I wasn't able to make it.    Steve
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 25 18:16:26 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:16:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My Austral
References: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <003701c7b78f$9edd7b70$240110ac@FAMILY>

Nice Patrick, thanks.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: [SEL] My Austral


>I put my Austral away on the weekend until its next outing later in the
> year. While I was doing that I thought I would take a longer video of it
> running and put it on YouTube. There are few nicer looking engines than an
> Austral sideshaft, lamp-start engine :)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw97xYfA9kY
>
> 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Jun 26 00:54:42 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:54:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] My Austral
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070625082427.01f42dc0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20070626075409.IQBC338.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Dave,
	My engine does not have quite as many things moving as on your
engine (no water pump on my engine). It is actually hard to tell when my
engine fires as it is very, very quiet. The cams make more noise than the
exhaust. I usually have it ticking over at around 120rpm. It runs a little
cool at this speed but it can run all day without the lamp. On one very hot
day I had it running at less than 50rpm (occasionally the spokes would
actually stop before it fired). Eventually a slight breeze caused it to cool
of and stop. I don't like running it that slow as there is a lot of flex in
the 5 piece crankshaft & I do not want to break anything.
The bottom-tank portables with the cooling tower have a very distinctive
exhaust note and are great to listen too :) My engine sounds different as it
has a big cast muffler as part of the turntable and the big, cast iron
"cannon'.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


I agree with you 100% Patrick! I know that my 11 HP Austral gets a LOT of 
attention at the shows to which I've taken it. It not only runs smoothly 
and with very little noise, but it's sheer mass is impressive. Add to this 
6 functions driven by the side shaft (and the "magic" that transpires when 
the timing valve is actuated) and you have a real show stopper!
         Dave
PS, I note that (if I am counting correctly) your 3.5 is hitting about 
every 40th time over. At what speed is it running? (My 11 HP hits about 
every 18th/20th time when running at about 90 RPM's)





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 26 08:24:59 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:24:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Geek Cred AND Engine Related!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706261121420.80032@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

Since these are computer-based email lists, y'all do qualify in the geek
department.  And obviously, we're all engine mad.

THIS is a must-have piece of computer hardware!!  Enjoy!!

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/solidalliances-usb-2-0-engine-hub-drives-
your-geek-cred/

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun 26 07:50:49 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:50:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Geek Cred AND Engine Related!
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706261121420.80032@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001601c7b801$6405d390$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] Geek Cred AND Engine Related!


> Hiya Folks,
> Since these are computer-based email lists, y'all do qualify in the geek
> department.  And obviously, we're all engine mad.
> THIS is a must-have piece of computer hardware!!  Enjoy!!
> http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/solidalliances-usb-2-0-engine-hub-drives-
> your-geek-cred/
> See ya,  Arnie

If you have problems try
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/solidalliances-usb-2-0-engine-hub-drives-your-geek-cred/


Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Jun 26 16:32:44 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:32:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Geek Cred AND Engine Related!
Message-ID: <20070626233324.7A6B357D1C@gw1.nlenet.net>

No way, That is just silly, I would never buy one.

Now if it was a V twin....

Arnie, I know what you are planing.  Buy it and then Dropasmallblockinit.

Frank


Hiya Folks,

Since these are computer-based email lists, y'all do qualify in the geek
department.  And obviously, we're all engine mad.

THIS is a must-have piece of computer hardware!!  Enjoy!!

<http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/solidalliances-usb-2-0-engine-hub-drives->http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/solidalliances-usb-2-0-engine-hub-drives-
your-geek-cred/

See ya,  Arnie




From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Tue Jun 26 18:40:35 2007
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:40:35 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
Message-ID: <002e01c7b85c$2a21d1f0$210110ac@service>

Hi guys ( & girls ) ,
something different, a couple of engine related questions, on a famous engine is the fuel pump drive pin screwed or pressed into the cam, if it is screwed what thread?, i have one broken off that i am trying to remove.
On a Stewart or Cooper little wonder (coffee pot engine) what are the height of cooling pipes out the top of cylinder into hopper, is one longer than the other to make the thermocycle work? Thanks for any help, cheers for now,
Chester from West Aussie.


From plb at iinet.net.au  Wed Jun 27 03:22:23 2007
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:22:23 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
In-Reply-To: <002e01c7b85c$2a21d1f0$210110ac@service>
References: <002e01c7b85c$2a21d1f0$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <00f001c7b8a5$0d6c1450$28443cf0$@net.au>

Chester,with the the fuel pump pin if it won't come out bring it to me and I
can spark erode it out for you. Mates rates for old engine work.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 9:41 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Hi guys ( & girls ) ,
something different, a couple of engine related questions, on a famous
engine is the fuel pump drive pin screwed or pressed into the cam, if it is
screwed what thread?, i have one broken off that i am trying to remove.
On a Stewart or Cooper little wonder (coffee pot engine) what are the height
of cooling pipes out the top of cylinder into hopper, is one longer than the
other to make the thermocycle work? Thanks for any help, cheers for now,
Chester from West Aussie.
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Wed Jun 27 04:09:53 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:09:53 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
In-Reply-To: <00f001c7b8a5$0d6c1450$28443cf0$@net.au>
References: <002e01c7b85c$2a21d1f0$210110ac@service>
	<00f001c7b8a5$0d6c1450$28443cf0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <001101c7b8ab$b114b070$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Ray i am new to this what is to spark erode is that to use the arc welder on
it not heard of that before sounds interesting sorry if its a dumb
question..Just never heard of that before. i have unseized parts on moters
if the parts are steel i have found electrolysis to work extremely well as
the current passes right through in to areas that penetrants cant get into i
discovered this when unseizing some delicate parts on a very old sewing
machine made around 1895 i found that the parts that had been seized didnt
need much force to undo .With this process it cleans the grease and oil and
rust,paint also.Not good for alloys though will eat them away. brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R and E
Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 10:22 p.m.
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Chester,with the the fuel pump pin if it won't come out bring it to me and I
can spark erode it out for you. Mates rates for old engine work.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 9:41 AM
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Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Hi guys ( & girls ) ,
something different, a couple of engine related questions, on a famous
engine is the fuel pump drive pin screwed or pressed into the cam, if it is
screwed what thread?, i have one broken off that i am trying to remove.
On a Stewart or Cooper little wonder (coffee pot engine) what are the height
of cooling pipes out the top of cylinder into hopper, is one longer than the
other to make the thermocycle work? Thanks for any help, cheers for now,
Chester from West Aussie.
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Wed Jun 27 05:53:49 2007
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:53:49 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
In-Reply-To: <001101c7b8ab$b114b070$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
References: <002e01c7b85c$2a21d1f0$210110ac@service>	<00f001c7b8a5$0d6c1450$28443cf0$@net.au>
	<001101c7b8ab$b114b070$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <00f101c7b8ba$3519a750$9f4cf5f0$@net.au>

A spark eroding machine uses a brass electrode that jumps a small spark to
the job through fluid. If you have a broken stud,drill or thread tap you can
erode it out and in most cases leave the hole and threads virtually
undamaged. http://www.joemars.com/p7.htm
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of brent.tamatea
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 7:10 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Ray i am new to this what is to spark erode is that to use the arc welder on
it not heard of that before sounds interesting sorry if its a dumb
question..Just never heard of that before. i have unseized parts on moters
if the parts are steel i have found electrolysis to work extremely well as
the current passes right through in to areas that penetrants cant get into i
discovered this when unseizing some delicate parts on a very old sewing
machine made around 1895 i found that the parts that had been seized didnt
need much force to undo .With this process it cleans the grease and oil and
rust,paint also.Not good for alloys though will eat them away. brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R and E
Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 10:22 p.m.
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Chester,with the the fuel pump pin if it won't come out bring it to me and I
can spark erode it out for you. Mates rates for old engine work.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 9:41 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Hi guys ( & girls ) ,
something different, a couple of engine related questions, on a famous
engine is the fuel pump drive pin screwed or pressed into the cam, if it is
screwed what thread?, i have one broken off that i am trying to remove.
On a Stewart or Cooper little wonder (coffee pot engine) what are the height
of cooling pipes out the top of cylinder into hopper, is one longer than the
other to make the thermocycle work? Thanks for any help, cheers for now,
Chester from West Aussie.
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From JR504 at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 07:26:02 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:26:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] United Type A
Message-ID: <be7.18ee0cc9.33b3cd7a@aol.com>

I just purchased this air cooled United Type A.  Despite a thick  layer of 
grease, dirt and dust it was in very nice shape.  After a day of  disassembly, 
cleaning and reassembly I got it running.  There's a little  more play than I'd 
like to see in the piston end of the connecting rod, but  it can wait until 
the end of the show season for repair.  The low  compression was caused by 
mouse nest debris holding the exhaust valve open a  little.  
My questions are: What did United use to drive the cooling fan?  I've  got a 
piece of rope running it now but it slips quite a bit.  Anyone every  try a 
big rubber band?  I didn't have one to try.  
What voltage should I use with an original style low tension coil?  I  ran it 
with a 12V AGM battery with no problems, but I'd hate to burn the ignitor  
contacts if that's too much.
Thanks,  and thanks Arnie for the previous help,
Joe Rappa
Mexico, NY
 
 
 
 Hi Joe,

Actually that sounds like good news.  The valves  should be a cheaper /
easier fix than a bore / rings job.

If you look  in Wendel or the Amanco book that model might have originally
been LT battery  & coil.  I'm not all that familiar with the air cooled
engines in  that line.

Good luck with the purchase!!

See ya,   Arnie

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 JR504 at aol.com wrote:

> There's no  rotary mag present.  It has what appears to be a  non-original
>  battery box, with an old battery and low tension coil in  it.  The  reason 
I
> believe it is valves instead of rings is that you can   hear air escaping 
out the
> top of the engine when you pull it  through  compression.  I saw the 
muffler was
> missing and it  has a vertical exhaust  so I was thinking it was most likely
> crud  or corrosion sticking a valve.   I'm glad it had been protected from  
the
> weather or it would be a real   mess.





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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jun 27 08:09:19 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:09:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV9DAFB9AA3FA02772ADBDDBB0A0@phx.gbl>


  Howdy all..been on the other side of the tracks for a while hoping to boil 
some water one of these days soon :-)

  Did run across this engine the other day tho...thought it was unique as 
everything is on the off side.  Webster fired, closed cc, piping to me is 
quite unique, running from the back of the cylinder to the front and then 
out.  Never seen this before.

  I will find out if it wants to new home.

Pix's start at:

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2140454790039077051UlZlEE

and hit next for more.

Any info appreciated

TIA,
RickinMt. 



From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Wed Jun 27 09:09:47 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:09:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
In-Reply-To: <00f101c7b8ba$3519a750$9f4cf5f0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <00e501c7b8d5$959e8fd0$6401a8c0@PaulNew>

That looks good .. I am just getting too old to justify hahaha
Paul Waugh

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R and E
Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:54 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

A spark eroding machine uses a brass electrode that jumps a small spark to
the job through fluid. If you have a broken stud,drill or thread tap you can
erode it out and in most cases leave the hole and threads virtually
undamaged. http://www.joemars.com/p7.htm
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of brent.tamatea
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 7:10 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Ray i am new to this what is to spark erode is that to use the arc welder on
it not heard of that before sounds interesting sorry if its a dumb
question..Just never heard of that before. i have unseized parts on moters
if the parts are steel i have found electrolysis to work extremely well as
the current passes right through in to areas that penetrants cant get into i
discovered this when unseizing some delicate parts on a very old sewing
machine made around 1895 i found that the parts that had been seized didnt
need much force to undo .With this process it cleans the grease and oil and
rust,paint also.Not good for alloys though will eat them away. brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R and E
Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 10:22 p.m.
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Chester,with the the fuel pump pin if it won't come out bring it to me and I
can spark erode it out for you. Mates rates for old engine work.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 9:41 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Hi guys ( & girls ) ,
something different, a couple of engine related questions, on a famous
engine is the fuel pump drive pin screwed or pressed into the cam, if it is
screwed what thread?, i have one broken off that i am trying to remove.
On a Stewart or Cooper little wonder (coffee pot engine) what are the height
of cooling pipes out the top of cylinder into hopper, is one longer than the
other to make the thermocycle work? Thanks for any help, cheers for now,
Chester from West Aussie.
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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Wed Jun 27 10:07:39 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:07:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
References: <BAY113-DAV9DAFB9AA3FA02772ADBDDBB0A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01c7b8dd$ac6f0a70$98ac123f@D8LJ7K91>

Rick,

I've got one of those.  The real surprise came when I grabbed the crank to 
crank it.  The crank also fits the opposite side.  It is a funny feeling to 
crank left handed or backwards right handed.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp


>
>  Howdy all..been on the other side of the tracks for a while hoping to 
> boil some water one of these days soon :-)
>
>  Did run across this engine the other day tho...thought it was unique as 
> everything is on the off side.  Webster fired, closed cc, piping to me is 
> quite unique, running from the back of the cylinder to the front and then 
> out.  Never seen this before.
>
>  I will find out if it wants to new home.
>
> Pix's start at:
>
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2140454790039077051UlZlEE
>
> and hit next for more.
>
> Any info appreciated
>
> TIA,
> RickinMt.
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 15:25:39 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:25:39 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
Message-ID: <ca8.115a612c.33b43de3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/27/2007 9:02:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
plb at iinet.net.au writes:

A spark eroding machine uses a brass electrode that jumps a small spark to
the job through fluid.

A technical name for it is EDM or Electrode Discharge Machining.  Great 
machine for getting broken taps out of holes!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun 27 16:09:26 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:09:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
Message-ID: <006101c7b910$36355a70$e8046c3a@fred>

Hi,
Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will put more on when restoration is finished.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au



From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Wed Jun 27 16:31:08 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:31:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <006101c7b910$36355a70$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <012d01c7b913$3d3ca410$6401a8c0@PaulNew>

OK, I'll bite, what does 'lamp start' mean

Paul Waugh - IN

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:09 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] New Toy

Hi,
Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will put
more on when restoration is finished.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au

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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun 27 16:44:02 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:44:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <012d01c7b913$3d3ca410$6401a8c0@PaulNew>
References: <012d01c7b913$3d3ca410$6401a8c0@PaulNew>
Message-ID: <4682F642.3020700@imc-group.com>

Paul,
Basically the same as hot bulb. A cast iron box is heated by a lamp 
(flame) to over the spontaneous combustion temp of the fuel. When the 
engine is pulled thru the starting procedure the hot bulb ignites the 
fuel. Once the engine is running under load the lamp can be extinguished 
as sufficient heat will be generated and retained within the hot bulb.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul wrote:
> OK, I'll bite, what does 'lamp start' mean
>
> Paul Waugh - IN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:09 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] New Toy
>
> Hi,
> Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
> it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will put
> more on when restoration is finished.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne 
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
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>
>   



From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Wed Jun 27 16:56:47 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:56:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <4682F642.3020700@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <012e01c7b916$d2a77f40$6401a8c0@PaulNew>

Thank You

Paul Waugh

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:44 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toy

Paul,
Basically the same as hot bulb. A cast iron box is heated by a lamp 
(flame) to over the spontaneous combustion temp of the fuel. When the 
engine is pulled thru the starting procedure the hot bulb ignites the 
fuel. Once the engine is running under load the lamp can be extinguished 
as sufficient heat will be generated and retained within the hot bulb.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul wrote:
> OK, I'll bite, what does 'lamp start' mean
>
> Paul Waugh - IN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:09 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] New Toy
>
> Hi,
> Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
> it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will put
> more on when restoration is finished.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne 
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
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From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Wed Jun 27 17:26:11 2007
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:26:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] EDM
Message-ID: <001301c7b91a$edba8260$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>

Brent,

R.E. spark erode, we call it an EDM (electric discharge machine) over here.  Caught one on fire once.

Joe


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jun 27 18:15:24 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:15:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] EDM
In-Reply-To: <001301c7b91a$edba8260$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
References: <001301c7b91a$edba8260$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
Message-ID: <46830BAC.5040606@scrtc.com>

Joe,
    When I was getting my undergraduate degree in engineering we used an 
EDM to fabricate parts and I remember the name as you state "Electric 
Discharge Machine".   I think we used carbon electrodes to do such 
things as burn square holes in steel plates and other items.  While I've 
never used one, the wire machines they have now are a trick as I've seen 
gears and intricate items cut with them that are as good as machined items.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote:

>Brent,
>
>R.E. spark erode, we call it an EDM (electric discharge machine) over here.  Caught one on fire once.
>
>Joe
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>
>
>  
>



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Jun 27 19:39:47 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:39:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  EDM
Message-ID: <20070628024341.36DBC57E01@gw1.nlenet.net>

Both wire EDM and electrode EDM are used extensively to make molds 
for injection molded plastic parts.  They can make parts that could 
not be machined.  Take a good look at your cell phone for a good 
example of what comes out of EDM molds.

I design for EDM when I have to. I actually try to design for 
conventional machining as the mold will cost less.

Frank


Joe,
     When I was getting my undergraduate degree in engineering we used an
EDM to fabricate parts and I remember the name as you state "Electric
Discharge Machine".   I think we used carbon electrodes to do such
things as burn square holes in steel plates and other items.  While I've
never used one, the wire machines they have now are a trick as I've seen
gears and intricate items cut with them that are as good as machined items.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Wed Jun 27 22:57:59 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:57:59 +1200
Subject: [SEL] EDM
In-Reply-To: <20070628024341.36DBC57E01@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <20070628024341.36DBC57E01@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <009e01c7b949$48d5a2a0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

That sounds really interesting had never heard of that process quite
amazing..thanks brent 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Frank DeWitt
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2007 2:40 p.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] EDM

Both wire EDM and electrode EDM are used extensively to make molds 
for injection molded plastic parts.  They can make parts that could 
not be machined.  Take a good look at your cell phone for a good 
example of what comes out of EDM molds.

I design for EDM when I have to. I actually try to design for 
conventional machining as the mold will cost less.

Frank


Joe,
     When I was getting my undergraduate degree in engineering we used an
EDM to fabricate parts and I remember the name as you state "Electric
Discharge Machine".   I think we used carbon electrodes to do such
things as burn square holes in steel plates and other items.  While I've
never used one, the wire machines they have now are a trick as I've seen
gears and intricate items cut with them that are as good as machined items.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


 
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Wed Jun 27 23:01:57 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:01:57 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
In-Reply-To: <ca8.115a612c.33b43de3@aol.com>
References: <ca8.115a612c.33b43de3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00a201c7b949$d68db1f0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

I think that is amazing technology is incredible.i guess they would be quite
expensive. brent 

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Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2007 10:26 a.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

 
In a message dated 6/27/2007 9:02:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
plb at iinet.net.au writes:

A spark eroding machine uses a brass electrode that jumps a small spark to
the job through fluid.

A technical name for it is EDM or Electrode Discharge Machining.  Great 
machine for getting broken taps out of holes!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Thu Jun 28 03:41:10 2007
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:41:10 GMT
Subject: [SEL] United Type A
Message-ID: <20070628.064110.28047.0@webmail02.lax.untd.com>

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jun 28 04:51:58 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:51:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
References: <BAY113-DAV9DAFB9AA3FA02772ADBDDBB0A0@phx.gbl>
	<000d01c7b8dd$ac6f0a70$98ac123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV79FC93629AF38B503F4E1BB090@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the reply Glenn.  I did see the crank in the hopper but didn't 
pay any attention.

  What is the purpose of the external piping that runs down the side of the 
cylinder?

Rick




> Rick,
>
> I've got one of those.  The real surprise came when I grabbed the crank to
> crank it.  The crank also fits the opposite side.  It is a funny feeling 
> to
> crank left handed or backwards right handed.
>
>
>
> >
> >  Howdy all..been on the other side of the tracks for a while hoping to
> > boil some water one of these days soon :-)
> >
> >  Did run across this engine the other day tho...thought it was unique as
> > everything is on the off side.  Webster fired, closed cc, piping to me 
> > is
> > quite unique, running from the back of the cylinder to the front and 
> > then
> > out.  Never seen this before.
> >
> >  I will find out if it wants to new home.
> >
> > Pix's start at:
> >
> > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2140454790039077051UlZlEE
> >
> > and hit next for more.
> >
> > Any info appreciated
> >
> > TIA,
> > RickinMt.
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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Thu Jun 28 05:29:59 2007
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:29:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV79FC93629AF38B503F4E1BB090@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <435373.60534.qm@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rick

The engine has Ported Exhaust.

Steve
--- Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:

Thanks for the reply Glenn.  I did see the crank in the hopper but didn't
pay any attention.
 
What is the purpose of the external piping that runs down the side of the
cylinder?
 
Rick

Pix's start at:

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2140454790039077051UlZlEE
and hit next for more.

Any info appreciated

TIA,
RickinMt.



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jun 28 05:33:38 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:33:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
References: <435373.60534.qm@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV106CF547688B405CD09DE8BB090@phx.gbl>

Thanks Steve..I am not familiar with that term.

Rick




> Rick
> 
> The engine has Ported Exhaust.
> 
> Steve


From JR504 at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 08:13:49 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:13:49 EDT
Subject: [SEL] United Type A
Message-ID: <bdd.15b8051b.33b52a2d@aol.com>

 
Thanks Joe,
I don't believe I've ever seen round leather belting, so I would never have  
guessed that was what drives it.  Thanks for the advice on the 6V  battery.  I 
don't want to put a beating on the coil or ignitor  contacts.
Joe Rappa
Mexico, NY
 
In a message dated 6/28/2007 6:52:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
avanti_64 at juno.com writes:

Joe,  United/Associated used a round leather belt to drive the fan. I
think it is  3/8" in diameter. I bet a long piece of oring cord stock,
glued together  would work also.
Starbolt or Pederson should have the belting.
I always  use a 6 volt battery on my low tension coils. I have been told
that a 12v  battery can heat up the coil too much. I use those small
rechargeable gel  cell batteries. 
Joe Kelley








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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Thu Jun 28 08:38:32 2007
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:38:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV106CF547688B405CD09DE8BB090@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <626503.20997.qm@web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rick

Several Engines used "Ported Exhaust"  Gade is one of the most common that
used it.  I have seen early Galloway's, Ideal/GSM Engines, early Fuller &
Johnson.  There are others as well.

It allows the engine to run cooler by exhausting at the back end of the
power stroke prior to the exhaust stroke. The piston at the back of the
stroke uncovers 1/2 of the exhaust port.

Steve
--- Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:

Thanks Steve..I am not familiar with that term.
Rick

---- 
 
Rick

The engine has Ported Exhaust.

Steve



From skipl130 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 28 08:56:00 2007
From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:56:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
In-Reply-To: <626503.20997.qm@web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <788828.56544.qm@web35314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

domestic & early ottawa engines also had ported cylinders.  see rick, you're being educated.  see ya,  skip

Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net> wrote:  Rick

Several Engines used "Ported Exhaust" Gade is one of the most common that
used it. I have seen early Galloway's, Ideal/GSM Engines, early Fuller &
Johnson. There are others as well.

It allows the engine to run cooler by exhausting at the back end of the
power stroke prior to the exhaust stroke. The piston at the back of the
stroke uncovers 1/2 of the exhaust port.

Steve
--- Richard Strobel wrote:

Thanks Steve..I am not familiar with that term.
Rick

---- 

Rick

The engine has Ported Exhaust.

Steve

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From ddotto at cableone.net  Thu Jun 28 10:25:08 2007
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:25:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
In-Reply-To: <788828.56544.qm@web35314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c7b9a9$471e05f0$0201a8c0@SHOP>

Also Canfield and Callahan

Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA



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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp

domestic & early ottawa engines also had ported cylinders.  see rick, you're
being educated.  see ya,  skip

Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net> wrote:  Rick

Several Engines used "Ported Exhaust" Gade is one of the most common that
used it. I have seen early Galloway's, Ideal/GSM Engines, early Fuller &
Johnson. There are others as well.

It allows the engine to run cooler by exhausting at the back end of the
power stroke prior to the exhaust stroke. The piston at the back of the
stroke uncovers 1/2 of the exhaust port.

Steve
--- Richard Strobel wrote:

Thanks Steve..I am not familiar with that term.
Rick

---- 

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The engine has Ported Exhaust.

Steve

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From JR504 at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 10:59:47 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:59:47 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
Message-ID: <ca8.116dfc8e.33b55113@aol.com>

 

....don't forget the Maytags.  :-)
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/28/2007 1:32:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ddotto at cableone.net writes:

Steve  Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net> wrote:  Rick

Several Engines  used "Ported Exhaust" Gade is one of the most common that
used it. I have  seen early Galloway's, Ideal/GSM Engines, early Fuller &
Johnson. There  are others as well.

It allows the engine to run cooler by exhausting at  the back end of the
power stroke prior to the exhaust stroke. The piston at  the back of the
stroke uncovers 1/2 of the exhaust  port.

Steve
--- Richard Strobel wrote:

Thanks Steve..I am not  familiar with that term.
Rick

---- 

Rick

The engine  has Ported  Exhaust.

Steve

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jun 28 13:28:04 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:28:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
In-Reply-To: <001f01c7b9a9$471e05f0$0201a8c0@SHOP>
References: <001f01c7b9a9$471e05f0$0201a8c0@SHOP>
Message-ID: <468419D4.5040001@scrtc.com>

And Springfield, Columbus, White Middleton, GSM.... quite a few used the 
ported exhaust practice.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Also Canfield and Callahan
>
>Dave
>
>Dave Otto
>Boise, Idaho
>USA
>  
>



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun 28 15:53:20 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:53:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] check  this out.
Message-ID: <00aa01c7b9d7$2116fb90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

http://www.multitorch.de/hauptteil_index.html

I have been using this idea on models for a while now.
Plugs dont foul so much. I make an extension chamber that is only small but 
it seems to work for me.
I didnt know there was Business making it.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
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From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Thu Jun 28 17:33:23 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:33:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] check  this out.
References: <00aa01c7b9d7$2116fb90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <00de01c7b9e5$1a261060$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

The Packard V8 engines from 1955 through 1958 used this design built into 
the heads, just a small hole from the plug chamber into the combustion 
chamber. This engine, 374 ci. was used in the Studebaker Golden Hawk after 
the merger between Studebaker and Packard, that,s about the same time that 
Dave bought stock in the new companay formed from this merger.
No doubt there were others, you know, holes in the heads.
Skip
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> http://www.multitorch.de/hauptteil_index.html
>
> I have been using this idea on models for a while now.
> Plugs dont foul so much. I make an extension chamber that is only small 
> but it seems to work for me.
> I didnt know there was Business making it.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jun 29 04:19:15 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:19:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] check  this out.
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c7b9d7$2116fb90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <00aa01c7b9d7$2116fb90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <4684EAB3.3040309@imc-group.com>

Reg,
Think these would reduce fouling of the plugs on my very tired tractor? 
'55 Ford 600. Almost every use I have to clean fouled plugs.
Curt

R & M Ingold wrote:
> http://www.multitorch.de/hauptteil_index.html
>
> I have been using this idea on models for a while now.
> Plugs dont foul so much. I make an extension chamber that is only small but 
> it seems to work for me.
> I didnt know there was Business making it.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
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From jim at hardmanfamily.net  Fri Jun 29 06:40:10 2007
From: jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:40:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Design (Check This Out)
Message-ID: <001501c7ba53$0687bf40$690c454b@Desktop>

Like so much in life, there's not much new.  Pre-combustion chambers in spark plugs have been touted since 1915.  Mosler advertised their Vesuvius plug spouting a gusher of flame, pictured bottom side up against the backdrop of an erupting volcano.  The Mosler Spit Fire was a well made spark plug.

Closed-base plugs were legion;  common examples include Reflex No. 1, National Torpedo, S&M, Never Miss #8, Blue Blaze, Randall, Sunderman, Comet, Inner Fire, EverReady Meteor, S&S, Bulls Eye (Conical Shell), Ball Multi, Janney Steinmetz, Vim, Sharp Spark, Hill 3A, Pep, The Ball, Mezger Torpedo, Reliance, Guide, H.P., Unique, Atlas, EKO, etc. etc.

Like the recent "Split Fire" plug with two ground electrodes, they didn't do much.

The idea of getting more spark to the combustible mix was also promoted by using two plugs at once;  a series plug installed opposite a standard plug (the hot lead ran through the series plug, then hard wired to the standard plug) allowed simultaneous ignition on opposite sides of the cylinder;  on some big L-head or T-head engines, where RPM was high and combustion chamber large, the concept had merit.

The one spark plug gimmick that really did work was an "intensifier" or external gap.  The coil had to produce higher voltage to discharge through two gaps in series and the resulting spark was "thick and strong" to quote the ad men.  When the working plug was partially fouled (current bleeding through carbon deposits on the porcelain or having to fire through oil on the points), the intensifier really did work.  Modern engines use this principle today... ignition wires contain no wire, they are carbon tracks promoting external resistance equivalent to an external gap.

Curt, you say that you have to clean your '55 Ford tractor plugs every time out... try an external spark gap.  These were originally little spacers fitted to the top of the plug;  gaps were sometimes visible inside glass sleeves or marbles, but often were open.  I have a few extra red fiber open gap examples if you want me to send a set to you.  Send your address off list.

Jim

Jim Hardman, Dorset
(A lonely conservative voice in green and liberal Vermont)

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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jun 29 05:57:26 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:57:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] check  this out.
References: <00aa01c7b9d7$2116fb90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<4684EAB3.3040309@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <02d001c7ba4d$0dd15820$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I cant answer that but, the idea of having a small chamber where the first 
ignition happens, with a small passage to the main combustion area, allowing 
the flame to hit the main mass is not new.
I thought that if I did this, it would stop the plug fouling with partially 
burnt fuel mix.Models dont run hot enough to help burning of what is in 
there!
Hey, it does help. I have improved the running of quite a few of my models. 
I dont intend to go into maths, etc.to explain it. I couldnt anyway.
the simple basic idea seemed right to me.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

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Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] check this out.


> Reg,
> Think these would reduce fouling of the plugs on my very tired tractor?
> '55 Ford 600. Almost every use I have to clean fouled plugs.
> Curt
>
> R & M Ingold wrote:
>> http://www.multitorch.de/hauptteil_index.html
>>
>> I have been using this idea on models for a while now.
>> Plugs dont foul so much. I make an extension chamber that is only small 
>> but
>> it seems to work for me.
>> I didnt know there was Business making it.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>>
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Jun 30 17:59:15 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:59:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
Message-ID: <bc9.15045cfa.33b85663@aol.com>

Hey Men, 
 
I got a problem, I needed a flywheel for a 1 3/4S Hercules so I bought a  
Hercules block with crankshaft and both flywheels,  At the SIAM show, I got  one 
flywheel off the shaft, it just had a regular square key in the flywheel but  
the other one has a tapered key driven in the keyway, with no hook on the end 
of  the key to pull it out, I clamped some Vise Grips on the key and tried to 
pull  it out but the VG's just slipped off the key, I haven't asked for any 
help in a  little while but I sure need some now from you experienced mechanics, 
also the  flywheel's on my old engine just round over on the inside of the 
outer rim of  the flywheel  Serial NO. 326214, where the inside edge of the rim 
on the  flywheel's I bought at the SIAM show made a step down before it got to 
the  spokes, Ser. No. 375731. Will these Flywheel's interchange?  I put up 
three  pictures on my Diesel List, I will list a address to the first one then 
click on  the blue arrow at the top right corner of picture to go to the next 
pic.
 
_http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=32220_ 
(http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=32220) 
 
Thanks, 
 
Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.



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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Sat Jun 30 19:06:28 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:06:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
References: <bc9.15045cfa.33b85663@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c7bb84$7114e360$23b6123f@D8LJ7K91>

Bill,

The flywheels will interchange. I am surprised that the 326214 engine had 
the earlier flywheels.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.


> Hey Men,
>
> I got a problem, I needed a flywheel for a 1 3/4S Hercules so I bought a
> Hercules block with crankshaft and both flywheels,  At the SIAM show, I 
> got  one
> flywheel off the shaft, it just had a regular square key in the flywheel 
> but
> the other one has a tapered key driven in the keyway, with no hook on the 
> end
> of  the key to pull it out, I clamped some Vise Grips on the key and tried 
> to
> pull  it out but the VG's just slipped off the key, I haven't asked for 
> any
> help in a  little while but I sure need some now from you experienced 
> mechanics,
> also the  flywheel's on my old engine just round over on the inside of the
> outer rim of  the flywheel  Serial NO. 326214, where the inside edge of 
> the rim
> on the  flywheel's I bought at the SIAM show made a step down before it 
> got to
> the  spokes, Ser. No. 375731. Will these Flywheel's interchange?  I put up
> three  pictures on my Diesel List, I will list a address to the first one 
> then
> click on  the blue arrow at the top right corner of picture to go to the 
> next
> pic.
>
> _http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=32220_
> (http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=32220)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller
> Memphis, TN.
>
>
>
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> http://www.aol.com.
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 30 19:10:29 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:10:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
References: <bc9.15045cfa.33b85663@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c7bb85$003c3a20$240110ac@FAMILY>

Bill do you have a welder?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.


> Hey Men,
>
> I got a problem, I needed a flywheel for a 1 3/4S Hercules so I bought a
> Hercules block with crankshaft and both flywheels,  At the SIAM show, I 
> got  one
> flywheel off the shaft, it just had a regular square key in the flywheel 
> but
> the other one has a tapered key driven in the keyway, with no hook on the 
> end
> of  the key to pull it out, I clamped some Vise Grips on the key and tried 
> to
> pull  it out but the VG's just slipped off the key, I haven't asked for 
> any
> help in a  little while but I sure need some now from you experienced 
> mechanics,
> 


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Jun 30 19:27:29 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:27:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
Message-ID: <c3d.179746dc.33b86b11@aol.com>

Hey Glen and Paul,
 
Glen was that style flywheel's mainly used on the older 1 1/2 HP  engines.
 
Paul, I do have a welder but I am not that good at welding, but I have a  
young man two doors down the street that is a good welder, that has been known  
to do some welding for me LOL.
 
Thanks,
 
Bill Miller.



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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 30 19:35:34 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:35:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
References: <c3d.179746dc.33b86b11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007501c7bb88$80d1d4d0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Bill I sent you some instructions on how to do this off list, you should 
have them by now. It has pictures and a procedure for a situation exactly 
like yours that Jim Sherman posted sometime back.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.


> Hey Glen and Paul,
>
> Glen was that style flywheel's mainly used on the older 1 1/2 HP  engines.
>
> Paul, I do have a welder but I am not that good at welding, but I have a
> young man two doors down the street that is a good welder, that has been 
> known
> to do some welding for me LOL.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller.
>
>
>
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> http://www.aol.com.
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 30 19:43:16 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:43:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
References: <c3d.179746dc.33b86b11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c7bb89$946f6330$240110ac@FAMILY>

Bill while you work out a method for removing it start pouring the 
penetrating oil like Gibbs, Kroil, PB Blaster, etc., onto the key to start 
loosing up the rust.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.


> Hey Glen and Paul,
>
> Glen was that style flywheel's mainly used on the older 1 1/2 HP  engines.
>
> Paul, I do have a welder but I am not that good at welding, but I have a
> young man two doors down the street that is a good welder, that has been 
> known
> to do some welding for me LOL.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller.
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Jun 30 20:05:41 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:05:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
Message-ID: <cf3.12604e55.33b87405@aol.com>

Paul,
 
I have had Kroil on it for about two weeks, I have a good space on the end  
of the key to weld an all thread on, I haven't rec. your off list instructions  
yet.
 
Thanks, Bill.



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From astfgl at iamnota.org  Sat Jun 30 22:29:04 2007
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 15:29:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
Message-ID: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>

I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure it's the 
SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't find a 
serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find a plate 
or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it might be?

I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a reply as 
yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?

Cheers, glen.


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jun  1 00:19:39 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:19:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register
References: <20070601061200.GBRA1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000a01c7a41d$3fd0bdc0$d4ee683a@Edd>

That's great mate and I know you will do a great job.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register


>
> As many of you know the Austral Oil Engine register, compiled over many
> years by Peter Willcock, was closed at the end of last year. After much
> 



From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jun  1 00:44:20 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:44:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register
In-Reply-To: <20070601061200.GBRA1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20070601061200.GBRA1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070601173649.01ab2be0@ncable.com.au>

So Patrick are you comming over to pick it up and do the photo type 
thing. It's great news for engine collectors as Peter is aging a 
little and the register has to take a back seat for him. This keeps 
the info fresh and in the forefront of Austral & Australian engine 
collecting. Would be good to make/do an official hand over. Good 
story for the tomm and I'm sure Pete wouldn't mind. Plus I could load 
my akroyd barrel into the back of your ute to take back to Pauls for 
me :-) hehehehe
regards Russell


At 04:11 PM 1/06/2007, you wrote:

>As many of you know the Austral Oil Engine register, compiled over many
>years by Peter Willcock, was closed at the end of last year. After much
>discussion I am taking over the project, to keep the register alive. There
>are still a lot of Australs out there not on the register and still a lot
>more information to be found and disseminated.
>I hope to compile all the information into a computer data-base over the
>next few months and will hopefully soon have it all up and running. This
>should allow me to provide maximum benefit for those interested in the
>Austral Oil Engines without me filling up all my free time trying to keep
>track of it all.
>The task makes me appreciate even more the work that others do maintaining
>engine registers and researching the history of the engines. It is important
>to make the information as available as possible for our fellow enthusiasts
>& I hope to do the Austral Register the justice it deserves.
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jun  1 01:40:45 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:40:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register
References: <20070601061200.GBRA1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070601173649.01ab2be0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <000601c7a428$8cbc5b70$d4ee683a@Edd>

How does the song go .Never let a chance go by oh lord.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register


> So Patrick are you comming over to pick it up and do the photo type
> thing. It's great news for engine collectors as Peter is aging a
> little and the register has to take a back seat for him. This keeps
> the info fresh and in the forefront of Austral & Australian engine
> collecting. Would be good to make/do an official hand over. Good
> story for the tomm and I'm sure Pete wouldn't mind. Plus I could load
> my akroyd barrel into the back of your ute to take back to Pauls for
> me :-) hehehehe
> regards Russell
>
>
> At 04:11 PM 1/06/2007, you wrote:
>
>>As many of you know the Austral Oil Engine register, compiled over many
>>years by Peter Willcock, was closed at the end of last year. After much
>>discussion I am taking over the project, to keep the register alive. There
>>are still a lot of Australs out there not on the register and still a lot
>>more information to be found and disseminated.
>>I hope to compile all the information into a computer data-base over the
>>next few months and will hopefully soon have it all up and running. This
>>should allow me to provide maximum benefit for those interested in the
>>Austral Oil Engines without me filling up all my free time trying to keep
>>track of it all.
>>The task makes me appreciate even more the work that others do maintaining
>>engine registers and researching the history of the engines. It is 
>>important
>>to make the information as available as possible for our fellow 
>>enthusiasts
>>& I hope to do the Austral Register the justice it deserves.
>>
>>Patrick M Livingstone
>>Leichhardt NSW
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jun  1 04:38:23 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 06:38:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <465EBC4B.8060006@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEELFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

Sorry about the delay in replying to your message.  "Stuff" happened.  Give my F-M Jack of All Trades page a shot.  I got about as close as I can on the color.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jack/F-M%20Jack.html

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T

> Dave Ernst wrote:
>
>   
> Anyone know where to find the correct color 
> code for a FM T?
> Thanks in advance,
> Dave




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jun  1 11:41:28 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:41:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Portland visitors
Message-ID: <20070601.114129.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Is anyone from the UK coming to the Portland show this year?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jun  1 13:00:30 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:00:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland visitors
In-Reply-To: <20070601.114129.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070601.114129.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706011557590.20651@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Ron,

I think Craig Morrison, Neville Beaty, and Peter & Rita Forbes are
planning on Portland this year.  Sadly, the French mob are blowing us off.
Again.  8-((

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Hi all.  Is anyone from the UK coming to the Portland show this year?



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jun  1 12:43:30 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:43:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Portland visitors
Message-ID: <20070601.124331.1472.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Arnie.
 
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
writes:
> Hi Ron,
> 
> I think Craig Morrison, Neville Beaty, and Peter & Rita Forbes are
> planning on Portland this year.  Sadly, the French mob are blowing 
> us off.
> Again.  8-((
> 
> See ya,  Arnie


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Jun  1 14:23:09 2007
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:23:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland visitors
References: <20070601.114129.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706011557590.20651@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c7a493$0fc190c0$c699e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi Arnie ,
            As far as I know Neville Beaty will definately not be coming to 
Portland as he crossesa the pond next week to attend Coolsprings instead , 
but I will most ndefinately be making the trip.

See you latter,  Craig Morrison
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland visitors


> Hi Ron,
>
> I think Craig Morrison, Neville Beaty, and Peter & Rita Forbes are
> planning on Portland this year.  Sadly, the French mob are blowing us off.
> Again.  8-((
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all.  Is anyone from the UK coming to the Portland show this year?
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jun  1 18:15:26 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:15:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My OZ Kero Box
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	This will go NICELY with the 11 HP Austral that Rob and Kelley sold me in 
September. I'm pretty sure that Russell Gilbert purchased it for me, but 
Russell has not contacted me as yet to tell me that it was his bid!
	See:  http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=ST 
See: 
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260121202887&rd=1&rd=1
	Dave
PS, In any event it looks like a nice box--and doG knows, I LIKE a nice box!



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jun  1 19:14:34 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 19:14:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] My OZ Kero Box
Message-ID: <20070601.191434.884.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 You are right Dave, that is a mighty fine box.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:15:26 -0500 Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
writes:
> Hi All,
>         This will go NICELY with the 11 HP Austral that Rob and 
> Kelley sold me in 
> September. I'm pretty sure that Russell Gilbert purchased it for me, 
> but 
> Russell has not contacted me as yet to tell me that it was his bid!
>         See:  
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=ST 
> 
> See: 
>
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3
AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260121202887&rd=1&rd=1
>         Dave
> PS, In any event it looks like a nice box--and doG knows, I LIKE a 
> nice box!


From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jun  1 19:30:30 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:30:30 +0800
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>

These are the first few stanzas of my latest epic poem. If you can stand 
the first sample, I could be persuaded to drip-feed the remainder . . . 
or to desist entirely, given sufficient inducement (Paypal, Visa or 
American Express accepted)

Warning to any sensitive souls or lovers of fine poetry out there. Do
not read on.

=====
"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)

The workshop was a thatched one
The outside old and mean
Yet everything within that shed
Was wondrous neat and clean.

The night was dark and stormy
The wind was howling wild
A patient owner knelt beside
The crankcase of his "child".

A little worn out power plant
Whose once bright paint grown dim
He was the restorer's only child,
He called him "Little Jim".

And oh! to see the burning tears fast running down his cheek
As he offered up his prayers in thought he was afraid to speak.
"Just start once more", he sobbed, "I love you better than my wife"
For there was all an owner's love in that poor restorer's life.

With hands uplifted he kneels beside the engine's bed
And prays that the night may spare his 'Tag and take himself instead.
He gets his answer from the echos resounding in the hut
"Kick,zip...Kick,zip...Kick,zip......Puff......puff......puff........phut!"


(to be continued)

====
Submitted more in sorrow than regret.(sob) - JW?









From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jun  1 19:54:35 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:54:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Dont give up yer day job!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


These are the first few stanzas of my latest epic poem. If you can stand
the first sample, I could be persuaded to drip-feed the remainder . . .
or to desist entirely, given sufficient inducement (Paypal, Visa or
American Express accepted)

Warning to any sensitive souls or lovers of fine poetry out there. Do
not read on.

=====
"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)

The workshop was a thatched one
The outside old and mean
Yet everything within that shed
Was wondrous neat and clean.

The night was dark and stormy
The wind was howling wild
A patient owner knelt beside
The crankcase of his "child".

A little worn out power plant
Whose once bright paint grown dim
He was the restorer's only child,
He called him "Little Jim".

And oh! to see the burning tears fast running down his cheek
As he offered up his prayers in thought he was afraid to speak.
"Just start once more", he sobbed, "I love you better than my wife"
For there was all an owner's love in that poor restorer's life.

With hands uplifted he kneels beside the engine's bed
And prays that the night may spare his 'Tag and take himself instead.
He gets his answer from the echos resounding in the hut
"Kick,zip...Kick,zip...Kick,zip......Puff......puff......puff........phut!"


(to be continued)

====
Submitted more in sorrow than regret.(sob) - JW?







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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 20:06:01 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:06:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <659763.38551.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day Jack

Brilliant, keep it up

Kerry

Lithgow NSW Oz


--- Jack Watson <nadejack at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> These are the first few stanzas of my latest epic
> poem. If you can stand 
> the first sample, I could be persuaded to drip-feed
> the remainder . . . 
> or to desist entirely, given sufficient inducement
> (Paypal, Visa or 
> American Express accepted)
> 
> Warning to any sensitive souls or lovers of fine
> poetry out there. Do
> not read on.
> 
> =====
> "Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by
> JW?
>                  (with apologies to Edward Farmer)
> 
> The workshop was a thatched one
> The outside old and mean
> Yet everything within that shed
> Was wondrous neat and clean.
> 
> The night was dark and stormy
> The wind was howling wild
> A patient owner knelt beside
> The crankcase of his "child".
> 
> A little worn out power plant
> Whose once bright paint grown dim
> He was the restorer's only child,
> He called him "Little Jim".
> 
> And oh! to see the burning tears fast running down
> his cheek
> As he offered up his prayers in thought he was
> afraid to speak.
> "Just start once more", he sobbed, "I love you
> better than my wife"
> For there was all an owner's love in that poor
> restorer's life.
> 
> With hands uplifted he kneels beside the engine's
> bed
> And prays that the night may spare his 'Tag and take
> himself instead.
> He gets his answer from the echos resounding in the
> hut
>
"Kick,zip...Kick,zip...Kick,zip......Puff......puff......puff........phut!"
> 
> 
> (to be continued)
> 
> ====
> Submitted more in sorrow than regret.(sob) - JW?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Fri Jun  1 22:36:22 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:36:22 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <000e01c7a4d7$f4e6aa70$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

Jack you are a true poet look forward to part 2 brent nz 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 2:31 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

These are the first few stanzas of my latest epic poem. If you can stand 
the first sample, I could be persuaded to drip-feed the remainder . . . 
or to desist entirely, given sufficient inducement (Paypal, Visa or 
American Express accepted)

Warning to any sensitive souls or lovers of fine poetry out there. Do
not read on.

=====
"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)

The workshop was a thatched one
The outside old and mean
Yet everything within that shed
Was wondrous neat and clean.

The night was dark and stormy
The wind was howling wild
A patient owner knelt beside
The crankcase of his "child".

A little worn out power plant
Whose once bright paint grown dim
He was the restorer's only child,
He called him "Little Jim".

And oh! to see the burning tears fast running down his cheek
As he offered up his prayers in thought he was afraid to speak.
"Just start once more", he sobbed, "I love you better than my wife"
For there was all an owner's love in that poor restorer's life.

With hands uplifted he kneels beside the engine's bed
And prays that the night may spare his 'Tag and take himself instead.
He gets his answer from the echos resounding in the hut
"Kick,zip...Kick,zip...Kick,zip......Puff......puff......puff........phut!"


(to be continued)

====
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From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jun  2 00:41:34 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:41:34 +0800
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing 
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and 
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?



From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sat Jun  2 00:54:06 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:54:06 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

Jack i would like to see these others do better i cant do poetry but i love
old vintage engines and machinery today i was  welding up some old guards on
my fordson pickup i am restoring a little tip for welding thin metal use
thin metal copper strips behind where you are welding and you wont blow out
the metal worked really fine i held the strips in with g clamps or vice
grips.The weld doesnt stick to the copper and the copper dissapates the
heat.I used a mig welder with co2.They say when you retire you get busier.

brent nz
  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 7:42 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing 
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and 
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jun  2 00:56:29 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:56:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au><033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Ya think you are alone in this???
VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Jun  2 01:23:44 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:23:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] My OZ Kero Box
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <46612910.3060700@steamengine.com.au>

Now whoever would have thought that Dave would go through with it and 
end up with such a stunning box. At least it matches his age!

Paul

Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Hi All,
> 	This will go NICELY with the 11 HP Austral that Rob and Kelley sold me in 
> September. I'm pretty sure that Russell Gilbert purchased it for me, but 
> Russell has not contacted me as yet to tell me that it was his bid!
> 	See:  http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=ST 
> See: 
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260121202887&rd=1&rd=1
> 	Dave
> PS, In any event it looks like a nice box--and doG knows, I LIKE a nice box!
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jun  2 01:27:55 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:27:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net><4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au><033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hi Brent.
I get similar results with stick welding using Graphite and even carbon elec 
brushes on small stuff. I really wish the tricks used by welders over the 
years were recorded for our use. A lot of good info has been lost to us.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Jack i would like to see these others do better i cant do poetry but i love
old vintage engines and machinery today i was  welding up some old guards on
my fordson pickup i am restoring a little tip for welding thin metal use
thin metal copper strips behind where you are welding and you wont blow out
the metal worked really fine i held the strips in with g clamps or vice
grips.The weld doesnt stick to the copper and the copper dissapates the
heat.I used a mig welder with co2.They say when you retire you get busier.

brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 7:42 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Jun  2 04:05:15 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:05:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] My OZ Kero Box
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070602210103.01ab2be0@ncable.com.au>

Gee Now I've done it, that secrete is out now. My ebay handle is 
plasted all over the web. Dave want's me to remove all the rusty bits 
from his box before he will take delivery. Then he want's to 
re-insert them back into his box when he gets it! These oldies have 
some strange ideas of fun. I should probably look out for a nice tin 
of lubricant for him to place by his box also.
Russell

At 11:15 AM 2/06/2007, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>         This will go NICELY with the 11 HP Austral that Rob and 
> Kelley sold me in
>September. I'm pretty sure that Russell Gilbert purchased it for me, but
>Russell has not contacted me as yet to tell me that it was his bid!
>         See: 
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=ST
>See:
>http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260121202887&rd=1&rd=1
>         Dave
>PS, In any event it looks like a nice box--and doG knows, I LIKE a nice box!
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
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From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jun  2 04:09:31 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:09:31 +0800
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net><4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au><033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <46614FEB.8040805@optusnet.com.au>

Thanks Brent, but I'm no poet.

Edward Farmer was the poet. He wrote "The Colliers Dying Child" in 1846, 
a real tear-jerker popular when such mawkish recitations were performed 
in Victorian (UK) parlours.

I am just the parody-ist.

JW?



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Jun  2 04:41:16 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:41:16 +0100
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net><4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au><033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1><001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46614FEB.8040805@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <001101c7a50a$ef699ac0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Thanks Brent, but I'm no poet.
Edward Farmer was the poet. He wrote "The Colliers Dying Child" in 1846,
a real tear-jerker popular when such mawkish recitations were performed
in Victorian (UK) parlours.
I am just the parody-ist.
JW?

Hi Jack, Very good for a first poem.
If you want to see the worlds worse poem see William Topaz McGonagall's
famous poem "The Tay Bridge Disaster" See
http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa050499.htm
It is so bad that it is memorable.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jun  2 08:24:41 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:24:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland visitors
In-Reply-To: <20070601.114129.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070601.114129.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706020824q76272f35l169df1128d786ccd@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/06/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.  Is anyone from the UK coming to the Portland show this year?
>
> Ron Haskell

We will be over this year.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Jun  2 09:09:25 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:09:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEELFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <004101c7a530$69781880$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Elden,
I tried sending this to you off list but it bounced back..

Thanks for the insight Elden.
If you still need info on an original wood skid let me know, as I have one. 
I can take photos and give dimensions if you wish.  Also I have the original 
fuel tank, if you're interested. What color did you use?

Thanks,
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T


> Dave:
>
> Sorry about the delay in replying to your message.  "Stuff" happened. 
> Give my F-M Jack of All Trades page a shot.  I got about as close as I can 
> on the color.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jack/F-M%20Jack.html
>
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
>
>> Dave Ernst wrote:
>>
>>
>> Anyone know where to find the correct color
>> code for a FM T?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dave
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun  2 12:48:09 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:48:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <004101c7a530$69781880$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEFCFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

I'd like to have a drawing of the skid so, if I get around to it (and can find the lumber!!) I can do it properly.  The gas tank is made of copper, replacerd many decades ago.  I believe it's in the original location.

As to the paint color, I found a stock color in an industrial enamel.  I don't have the brand and number here.  I'll try to remember to get it next time I'm at the other house which will be in about three weeks.

I do know I got it at Dages Paint Company in Louisville, KY.  It's a brand I haven't seen much of and they call the color (I think) "Brick Red".  It's a little too glossy for my taste but I figure it will dull down as it ages.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave Ernst
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:09 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Elden,
> I tried sending this to you off list but it bounced back..
> 
> Thanks for the insight Elden.
> If you still need info on an original wood skid 
> let me know, as I have one. 
> I can take photos and give dimensions if you 
> wish.  Also I have the original 
> fuel tank, if you're interested. What color did you use?
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> > Dave:
> >
> > Sorry about the delay in replying to your 
> message.  "Stuff" happened. 
> > Give my F-M Jack of All Trades page a shot.  I 
> got about as close as I can 
> > on the color.
> >
> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jack
/F-M%20Jack.html
>
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
>
>> Dave Ernst wrote:
>>
>>
>> Anyone know where to find the correct color
>> code for a FM T?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dave
>
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jun  2 12:09:56 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:09:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEFCFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEFCFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4661C084.3020103@scrtc.com>

I could pick some up next time I'm in Louisville (usually 2 or 3 times a 
month).  I've been to Dages before, at least the store they have on Oak 
St. (not far off I-65).  As for the gloss, Dupont makes a "deglosser" 
that will kill the gloss.  You add as much as you want and can make it 
anywhere from a semi gloss, to satin to flat finish.  I don't have the 
Dupont number here but can probably dig it out if anyone wants it.  I'll 
probably pick up some of the "Brick Red" next time I'm in Louisville as 
it sounds about the right color for a Hagan engine.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>
>I do know I got it at Dages Paint Company in Louisville, KY.  It's a brand I haven't seen much of and they call the color (I think) "Brick Red".  It's a little too glossy for my taste but I figure it will dull down as it ages.
>
>Take care - Elden
>edurand at mchsi.com
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
>  
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jun  2 12:18:25 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:18:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEFCFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEFCFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4661C281.8080505@scrtc.com>

Speaking of T FM engines, here's a pretty hard item to find for one, 
check out ebay item #  140122349723

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun  2 13:39:24 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:39:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <4661C281.8080505@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEFDFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tommy:

Mine never had an intake valve lockout on it.  No holes for mounting, either.  Thanks for the lead, though.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 02:18 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Speaking of T FM engines, here's a pretty hard 
> item to find for one, 
> check out ebay item #  140122349723
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
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From samsonironwks2003 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  2 12:50:27 2007
From: samsonironwks2003 at yahoo.com (lester bowman)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:50:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEFDFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <128849.14856.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Eldon,Sorry to say this but your emails to Tommy ARE COMING TO ME.Lester Bowman.Check your email address and correct as necessary.Warmest regards,Lester.

Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:  Tommy:

Mine never had an intake valve lockout on it. No holes for mounting, either. Thanks for the lead, though.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 02:18 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Speaking of T FM engines, here's a pretty hard 
> item to find for one, 
> check out ebay item # 140122349723
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun  2 15:00:50 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:00:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <128849.14856.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEFEFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Lester:

Oh DRAT!  Thishere 'puter's done gone and got me in hot water again!

Sorry.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of lester
> bowman
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 02:50 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Eldon,Sorry to say this but your emails to Tommy 
> ARE COMING TO ME.Lester Bowman.Check your email 
> address and correct as necessary.Warmest regards,Lester.
> 
> Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:  Tommy:
> 
> Mine never had an intake valve lockout on it. No 
> holes for mounting, either. Thanks for the lead, though.




From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sat Jun  2 14:55:53 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 09:55:53 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <001101c7a50a$ef699ac0$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46614FEB.8040805@optusnet.com.au> <001101c7a50a$ef699ac0$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <001201c7a560$caec5d80$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

Jack poetry was in vogue then no tv and computers.A different age it was a
form of memorising as the poems were often recited at social gatherings same
as in New Zealand one of the more famous poems for us is our National Anthem
which was the product of a national contest in the 1800s it was a poem put
to music.Still in use today although there are some who believe its time for
a change they would like to change the flag as well the problem is that
without the history the anthem and the flag have no reference point.Without
the history it loses its significance i like to treasure the historical
perspective as it makes us who we are..and we remember the people gone
before who made our nation. brent nz   


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 11:41 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Thanks Brent, but I'm no poet.
Edward Farmer was the poet. He wrote "The Colliers Dying Child" in 1846,
a real tear-jerker popular when such mawkish recitations were performed
in Victorian (UK) parlours.
I am just the parody-ist.
JW?

Hi Jack, Very good for a first poem.
If you want to see the worlds worse poem see William Topaz McGonagall's
famous poem "The Tay Bridge Disaster" See
http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa050499.htm
It is so bad that it is memorable.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sat Jun  2 15:19:27 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:19:27 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <003301c7a564$159caad0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

Reg thanks for your tips there are many a good idea that has been lost
because it hasnt been past on so thanks much appreciated i havent heard of a
graphite stick havent done much arc welding at this stage but for thicker
metals i think the arc welder produces a much nicer weld.brent     

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 8:28 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

Hi Brent.
I get similar results with stick welding using Graphite and even carbon elec

brushes on small stuff. I really wish the tricks used by welders over the 
years were recorded for our use. A lot of good info has been lost to us.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Jack i would like to see these others do better i cant do poetry but i love
old vintage engines and machinery today i was  welding up some old guards on
my fordson pickup i am restoring a little tip for welding thin metal use
thin metal copper strips behind where you are welding and you wont blow out
the metal worked really fine i held the strips in with g clamps or vice
grips.The weld doesnt stick to the copper and the copper dissapates the
heat.I used a mig welder with co2.They say when you retire you get busier.

brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 7:42 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sat Jun  2 15:21:54 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:21:54 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

Reg and jack was that retired or just plain old tired with all that hectic
lifestyle you will be worn out in no time you sound like you need
holidays..brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 7:56 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

Ya think you are alone in this???
VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jun  2 15:42:40 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:42:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net><4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au><033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au><004f01c7a4eb$33d47560$0301a8c0@tamatea1><001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<003301c7a564$159caad0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <018a01c7a567$55923c10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

it is not a grapgite stick. It is using a lump of graphite as a backing 
instead of copper or similar.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Reg thanks for your tips there are many a good idea that has been lost
because it hasnt been past on so thanks much appreciated i havent heard of a
graphite stick havent done much arc welding at this stage but for thicker
metals i think the arc welder produces a much nicer weld.brent

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 8:28 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

Hi Brent.
I get similar results with stick welding using Graphite and even carbon elec

brushes on small stuff. I really wish the tricks used by welders over the
years were recorded for our use. A lot of good info has been lost to us.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Jack i would like to see these others do better i cant do poetry but i love
old vintage engines and machinery today i was  welding up some old guards on
my fordson pickup i am restoring a little tip for welding thin metal use
thin metal copper strips behind where you are welding and you wont blow out
the metal worked really fine i held the strips in with g clamps or vice
grips.The weld doesnt stick to the copper and the copper dissapates the
heat.I used a mig welder with co2.They say when you retire you get busier.

brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 7:42 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jun  2 15:44:04 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:44:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net><4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au><033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au><000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <019301c7a567$86ff20b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

All of the things mentioned!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


Reg and jack was that retired or just plain old tired with all that hectic
lifestyle you will be worn out in no time you sound like you need
holidays..brent

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2007 7:56 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)

Ya think you are alone in this???
VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)


R & M Ingold wrote:
> Dont give up yer day job!!

grumble grumble - painting gutters, ferrying grandkids, re-pointing
brickwork, fixing computers, old motorbikes and clocks and cars and
engines, workshop projects -

Reg, I'm retired; I don't have TIME for a day job.

JW?

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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun  2 16:50:25 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:50:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>

I thought retired was tired again.

John

On Jun 2, 2007, at 6:21 PM, brent.tamatea wrote:

> Reg and jack was that retired or just plain old tired with all that 
> hectic
> lifestyle you will be worn out in no time you sound like you need
> holidays..brent


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jun  2 18:17:03 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 09:17:03 +0800
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 2 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>

"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW? 
(with apologies to Edward Farmer)


Part 2 of 4


"I have no pain dear Restorer now
But Oh! I am so dry!
Just moisten poor Jim's plug once more
And, for Gawd's sake, do not cry."

With gentle trembling hands
He held the petrol to Jim's plug
It seemed to smile to thank him as it took
A tiny little glug.

"Tell Dave R. when he comes from work
I said good night to him
And now dear Owner I'll go to sleep."
Alas, poor little Jim.

===
End of Part 2


JW? who prefers to remain anonymous.




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun  2 20:53:26 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 23:53:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 2 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>
	<4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <26042cf0f1712066373a6fec904f58e3@chartertn.net>

Oh, I can't bear to see the part where the axe shows up!

John

On Jun 2, 2007, at 9:17 PM, Jack Watson wrote:

> "Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
> (with apologies to Edward Farmer)


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun  3 00:18:06 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:18:06 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 2 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <26042cf0f1712066373a6fec904f58e3@chartertn.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>
	<4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
	<26042cf0f1712066373a6fec904f58e3@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c7a5af$5594e670$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

I thought that was the episode of the shining with Jack Nicolas it was an
old hotel they would have old stationary moters out back..Could be an
interesting diversion..You will have to wait till the third instalment..  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2007 3:53 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 2 of 4)

Oh, I can't bear to see the part where the axe shows up!

John

On Jun 2, 2007, at 9:17 PM, Jack Watson wrote:

> "Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
> (with apologies to Edward Farmer)


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun  3 03:26:18 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 06:26:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 2 of 4)
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1><3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>
	<4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <005501c7a5c9$a057b2e0$e1eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>

I kind of figured Dave would play the part of the Grim Reaper!

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:17 PM
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 2 of 4)


"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
(with apologies to Edward Farmer)


Part 2 of 4


"Tell Dave R. when he comes from work
I said good night to him
And now dear Owner I'll go to sleep."
Alas, poor little Jim.

===
End of Part 2





From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jun  3 03:46:56 2007
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:46:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register
References: <20070601061200.GBRA1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000f01c7a5cc$83ac5850$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6>

Thanks for taking on the Austral registry Patrick, isn't a better man for 
the job. Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register


>
> As many of you know the Austral Oil Engine register, compiled over many
> years by Peter Willcock, was closed at the end of last year. After much
> discussion I am taking over the project, to keep the register alive. There
> are still a lot of Australs out there not on the register and still a lot
> more information to be found and disseminated.
> I hope to compile all the information into a computer data-base over the
> next few months and will hopefully soon have it all up and running. This
> should allow me to provide maximum benefit for those interested in the
> Austral Oil Engines without me filling up all my free time trying to keep
> track of it all.
> The task makes me appreciate even more the work that others do maintaining
> engine registers and researching the history of the engines. It is 
> important
> to make the information as available as possible for our fellow 
> enthusiasts
> & I hope to do the Austral Register the justice it deserves.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jun  3 05:51:27 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:51:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Austral Oil Engine Register
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070601173649.01ab2be0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <20070603125132.VBQH28187.oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

HI Russell,
	I am a little overbooked in the next few months but I hope to head
down your way eventually. Maybe you should bring your Akroyd barrel along
when you come to our rally in September ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

So Patrick are you comming over to pick it up and do the photo type 
thing. It's great news for engine collectors as Peter is aging a 
little and the register has to take a back seat for him. This keeps 
the info fresh and in the forefront of Austral & Australian engine 
collecting. Would be good to make/do an official hand over. Good 
story for the tomm and I'm sure Pete wouldn't mind. Plus I could load 
my akroyd barrel into the back of your ute to take back to Pauls for 
me :-) hehehehe
regards Russell





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Jun  3 09:44:44 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:44:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Fielding & Platt info needed
Message-ID: <200706031847109.SM00548@new.databak.co.za>

Hi All,

A friend has asked me to look for information as he is restoring a 22/24 
Horsepower horizontal "Fielding & Platt" oil engine. It does not have a 
model or type No. The only information on the plate is":

No:. 040425 - H.P.: 22/24  - R.P.M.: 380. The name on the plate is Fielding 
Oil Engine. Made by Fielding & Platt Ltd. Atlas Works, Glouscester,England

         Any information regarding this engine or the whereabouts of other 
owners or manuals would be much appreciated.
         He has taken pics of it but is waiting for them to be developed - 
As soon as I have copies I will post them to my webpage.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sun Jun  3 09:57:26 2007
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:57:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Transport help needed NY to Coolspring?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070603125112.01f9d140@webmail.accnorwalk.com>

I'm trying to get a Centaur KV tractor (gasp!) from Wurtsboro NY back to 
Ohio. The tractor will take a spot aproxx 5 ft X 9ft and weigh about 2000 
lbs. Is anyone coming to Coolspring that could pick this up and bring it 
that far for fuel money? Any other options?
             Doug Tallman
VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director
       Greenwich, Ohio, USA



From fsouthwell at googlemail.com  Sun Jun  3 09:56:53 2007
From: fsouthwell at googlemail.com (Fred Southwell)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:56:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Fielding & Platt info needed
In-Reply-To: <200706031847109.SM00548@new.databak.co.za>
References: <200706031847109.SM00548@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <3bd33b2e0706030956m6220ce4ck8bd4f5a59b15f6be@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry,
A number of years ago the Amberley Chalk Pits Museum had a Fielding and
Platt under canopy outside their engine shed. I don't know if it's still
there but you can contact them via their website. They have changed their
name now but try http://www.amberleymuseum.co.uk. They mught be ablt to
help.

On 03/06/07, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> A friend has asked me to look for information as he is restoring a 22/24
> Horsepower horizontal "Fielding & Platt" oil engine. It does not have a
> model or type No. The only information on the plate is":
>
> No:. 040425 - H.P.: 22/24  - R.P.M.: 380. The name on the plate is
> Fielding
> Oil Engine. Made by Fielding & Platt Ltd. Atlas Works, Glouscester,England
>
>          Any information regarding this engine or the whereabouts of other
> owners or manuals would be much appreciated.
>          He has taken pics of it but is waiting for them to be developed -
> As soon as I have copies I will post them to my webpage.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787
> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
> Cell: 083 293 7191
> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



-- 
Fred. Nr Brighton U.K.
See all my pictures at http://community.webshots.com/user/g6zru



From DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net  Sun Jun  3 18:30:29 2007
From: DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net (DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:30:29 -0800
Subject: [SEL] model engine prices
Message-ID: <AA-3E001E695FA4B04A5614F51BF38897A9-ZZ@fipprd24>





From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jun  3 17:53:53 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:53:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] model engine prices
Message-ID: <20070603.205353.1096.1.jlb94@juno.com>

There's nothing on your e-mail, Dave

How was Orwell ?


Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " How is it possible for Americans to denounce
  (_o_)                Communism and practice it simultaneously?"


From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jun  3 17:55:25 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:55:25 +0800
Subject: [SEL]  The Dying Maytag (Part 3 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <005501c7a5c9$a057b2e0$e1eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1><3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>	<4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
	<005501c7a5c9$a057b2e0$e1eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <466362FD.8070508@optusnet.com.au>


"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)

Part 3 of 4


He thought that Jim was dying.
This thing he loved so dear
Had uttered these last words
That he might ever hope to hear.

The workshop door was opened,
The scrapman's steps were heard,
The owner and the scrapman met -
Yet neither spoke a word.

He knew that all was over;
He knew his 'Tag was dead.
He took the money in his hand
And walked out of the shed.

His quivering lips gave token
Of grief he failed to conceal
To see his wife had joined him
So the stricken couple kneel.

With hearts burdened down with sadness
She humbly asks, with him
In Heaven once more to meet again
Their own poor little Jim.

=====

Dear Reader, please do not dispair. There WILL be a happy ending . . .

JW?




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jun  3 19:30:18 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:30:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070603211718.01c3c4c0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	I'll be reserving space again this year at Coolspring for the SEL gang! As 
in the past we will be in the 3rd row to the right way down near the trees. 
I'll have a sign at the end of that row with an arrow pointing to the 
right. I should have the ropes and SEL RESERVE signs in place by late 
Tuesday (June 12th.)  Jake will know where we are in case you can't find us 
to set up.
	My Austral (along with my 15 HP IHC--which I'm selling) will be set up at 
the very end of the SEL reserved space. Please try to "fill in" from right 
to left so that we can give back any space that we don't need by Friday 
evening. See you at Coolspring!
	Dave



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun  3 18:46:59 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:46:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070603211718.01c3c4c0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070603211718.01c3c4c0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <46636F13.7040105@scrtc.com>

Dave and everyone,
    We'll have a special SEL member with us this year.  John Palmer from 
England will be making the trip across the water to visit Coolspring.  
His son will be joining him and I've reserved them a room in 
Brookville.  I look forward to seeing everyone soon.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Dave Rotigel wrote:

>Hi All,
>	I'll be reserving space again this year at Coolspring for the SEL gang! As 
>in the past we will be in the 3rd row to the right way down near the trees. 
>I'll have a sign at the end of that row with an arrow pointing to the 
>right. I should have the ropes and SEL RESERVE signs in place by late 
>Tuesday (June 12th.)  Jake will know where we are in case you can't find us 
>to set up.
>	My Austral (along with my 15 HP IHC--which I'm selling) will be set up at 
>the very end of the SEL reserved space. Please try to "fill in" from right 
>to left so that we can give back any space that we don't need by Friday 
>evening. See you at Coolspring!
>	Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jun  3 18:51:32 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:51:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 3 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <466362FD.8070508@optusnet.com.au>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1><3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>	<4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
	<005501c7a5c9$a057b2e0$e1eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<466362FD.8070508@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <267a37320aa19a423532436bd824f5bf@chartertn.net>


On Jun 3, 2007, at 8:55 PM, Jack Watson wrote:

> Dear Reader, please do not dispair. There WILL be a happy ending . . .

Maytag Mark's gonna have to turn up, then...

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From JR504 at aol.com  Sun Jun  3 19:14:18 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:14:18 EDT
Subject: [SEL] United Type A
Message-ID: <bc6.11292c5b.3394cf7a@aol.com>

Hello List,
 
I know how much everyone enjoys the "How much is this engine worth?"  
questions, so I apologize in advance.  I wouldn't think of asking if  it wasn't 
necessary.  Last week I discovered a friend of mine has a United  Type A 1 3/4 HP 
Air Cooled Low Tension Motor that his Uncle gave to him. He said  he'd be glad 
to see it go to a good home, but has no idea what it's  worth.   I'd like your 
help putting a reasonable value on it that is  fair to both of us.  I don't 
want to be put in the position of determining  the value of the engine if I'm 
the guy trying to buy it.  
 
Here's what I can tell you about it:
You already know, United Type A, Air Cooled, 1 3/4 HP, Low Tension  Ignition.
 
Engine is pretty complete. Missing the belt for the fan and one grease  cup 
cap.
Good condition, no flaking rust, some old paint left, but definitely not  
original paint.  No cracks or welds that I can spot.  Will need some  attention 
on the magneto trip to tighten it back up.
Engine turns over but has no compression. Probably going to need some valve  
work to correct that.
 
So, all I ask is: What would you pay to add this engine to your  collection? 
, (and if you care to add a reason or two why you chose that  number, that'd 
be appreciated too).  
 
Thanks in advance,
Joe Rappa
Mexico, NY
 



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From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Sun Jun  3 19:28:38 2007
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 02:28:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Welding
In-Reply-To: <001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <BAY139-F233951EA25CA37B6F50199B4210@phx.gbl>

Reg and all,

I bought a good welding book years ago.  Written in plain english and not a 
lot of charts and formulas, just a lot of welding tricks.  It is still 
available.  I found lots of tricks and shortcuts I would never have learned 
otherwise.  Check it out.  The table of contents is online at the adress 
below.

http://www.network6000.com/

Ed Herreid

----Original Message Follows----
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:27:55 +1000

Hi Brent.
I get similar results with stick welding using Graphite and even carbon elec
brushes on small stuff. I really wish the tricks used by welders over the
years were recorded for our use. A lot of good info has been lost to us.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun  3 19:45:05 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:45:05 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Welding
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-F233951EA25CA37B6F50199B4210@phx.gbl>
References: <001901c7a4ef$eecab6f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<BAY139-F233951EA25CA37B6F50199B4210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001401c7a652$5c3dc6b0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Ed looks like a worthwhile book thanks brent  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Herreid
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2007 2:29 p.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Welding

Reg and all,

I bought a good welding book years ago.  Written in plain english and not a 
lot of charts and formulas, just a lot of welding tricks.  It is still 
available.  I found lots of tricks and shortcuts I would never have learned 
otherwise.  Check it out.  The table of contents is online at the adress 
below.

http://www.network6000.com/

Ed Herreid

----Original Message Follows----
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:27:55 +1000

Hi Brent.
I get similar results with stick welding using Graphite and even carbon elec
brushes on small stuff. I really wish the tricks used by welders over the
years were recorded for our use. A lot of good info has been lost to us.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

_________________________________________________________________
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun  3 19:49:55 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:49:55 +1200
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 3 of 4)
In-Reply-To: <466362FD.8070508@optusnet.com.au>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070601201005.01bf7240@mail.alltel.net>
	<4660D646.5010302@optusnet.com.au>
	<033001c7a4c1$5b604e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<46611F2E.8080800@optusnet.com.au>
	<000e01c7a4ec$8f6645b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<003401c7a564$6d65f6e0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>
	<3230571d88bfe785aeeb4d9d1084a18b@chartertn.net>
	<4662168F.4020903@optusnet.com.au>
	<005501c7a5c9$a057b2e0$e1eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<466362FD.8070508@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <001501c7a653$08f48f10$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Dont know if i can bear anymore...Jack little jim he was such a good little
engine he didnt deserve such a tragic ending...      

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2007 12:55 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 3 of 4)


"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)

Part 3 of 4


He thought that Jim was dying.
This thing he loved so dear
Had uttered these last words
That he might ever hope to hear.

The workshop door was opened,
The scrapman's steps were heard,
The owner and the scrapman met -
Yet neither spoke a word.

He knew that all was over;
He knew his 'Tag was dead.
He took the money in his hand
And walked out of the shed.

His quivering lips gave token
Of grief he failed to conceal
To see his wife had joined him
So the stricken couple kneel.

With hearts burdened down with sadness
She humbly asks, with him
In Heaven once more to meet again
Their own poor little Jim.

=====

Dear Reader, please do not dispair. There WILL be a happy ending . . .

JW?


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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jun  3 19:50:52 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:50:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Welding
References: <BAY139-F233951EA25CA37B6F50199B4210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00dc01c7a653$2baf3eb0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Thanks Ed.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Herreid" <bigtime64 at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Welding


> Reg and all,
>
> I bought a good welding book years ago.  Written in plain english and not 
> a
> lot of charts and formulas, just a lot of welding tricks.  It is still
> available.  I found lots of tricks and shortcuts I would never have 
> learned
> otherwise.  Check it out.  The table of contents is online at the adress
> below.
>
> http://www.network6000.com/
>
> Ed Herreid
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] The Dying Maytag (Part 1 of 4)
> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:27:55 +1000
>
> Hi Brent.
> I get similar results with stick welding using Graphite and even carbon 
> elec
> brushes on small stuff. I really wish the tricks used by welders over the
> years were recorded for our use. A lot of good info has been lost to us.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jun  3 21:21:32 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:21:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Bargain engine
Message-ID: <20070604042136.WVYH1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Check out eBay item# 270127035918
A bit of a bargain for a non-running Ronnie N ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From plb at iinet.net.au  Sun Jun  3 23:30:11 2007
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:30:11 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Bargain engine
In-Reply-To: <20070604042136.WVYH1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20070604042136.WVYH1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <002a01c7a671$d3e9d220$7bbd7660$@net.au>

I've got a couple that I might give away for that price!!
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Monday, 4 June 2007 12:22 PM
To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List
Subject: [SEL] Bargain engine

Check out eBay item# 270127035918
A bit of a bargain for a non-running Ronnie N ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun  4 06:55:08 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:55:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fielding & Platt info needed
In-Reply-To: <200706031847109.SM00548@new.databak.co.za>
References: <200706031847109.SM00548@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706040948580.75996@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

The folks at the Ironbridge museum have a 1920's vintage Fielding & Platt
that provides power for the sawmill.  I should have other pics of this
engine.  I'll try and remember to look this evening.  But in the meantime,
here's one pic readily available.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/4/bh45.jpg

Since they are a museum and since their engine is a runner they should be
able to provide some assistance to your friend.  This should get him
started....  http://www.ironbridge.org.uk/

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Jerry Evans wrote:

> A friend has asked me to look for information as he is restoring a 22/24
> Horsepower horizontal "Fielding & Platt" oil engine. It does not have a
> model or type No. The only information on the plate is":
>
> No:. 040425 - H.P.: 22/24  - R.P.M.: 380. The name on the plate is Fielding
> Oil Engine. Made by Fielding & Platt Ltd. Atlas Works, Glouscester,England
>
>          Any information regarding this engine or the whereabouts of other
> owners or manuals would be much appreciated.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun  4 07:19:02 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:19:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bargain engine
In-Reply-To: <20070604042136.WVYH1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20070604042136.WVYH1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706041018070.75996@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

May we safely assume a slipped decimal point on that starting price?

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> Check out eBay item# 270127035918
> A bit of a bargain for a non-running Ronnie N ;)



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jun  4 10:23:37 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:23:37 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Contact details needed
Message-ID: <200706041926171.SM00132@new.databak.co.za>

Hi guys ('n Gals),
         Does anyone have a current eMail address for Wouter von Gulick in 
Holland. I see he has a manual for the Fielding engine but my mail to him 
at <wout.v.gulik at zonnet.nl
 > was returned "undeliverable".
Thanks in advance

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun  4 10:52:33 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:52:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Contact details needed
In-Reply-To: <200706041926171.SM00132@new.databak.co.za>
References: <200706041926171.SM00132@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <388010EC-1D7D-483F-B3FA-44195C84B5B5@rustyiron.com>

Hi Jerry,
I think that email address was ok a couple weeks ago.

Rob





From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  4 13:13:57 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:13:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070603211718.01c3c4c0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F29BF579B9DD2C46CCC36D995210@phx.gbl>

Dave, Bill Bird and I will be there with a trailer and two engines. Thanks 
for saving the spot. See you Wed.  Steve


>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
>Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:30:18 -0500
>
>Hi All,
>	I'll be reserving space again this year at Coolspring for the SEL gang! As
>in the past we will be in the 3rd row to the right way down near the trees.
>I'll have a sign at the end of that row with an arrow pointing to the
>right. I should have the ropes and SEL RESERVE signs in place by late
>Tuesday (June 12th.)  Jake will know where we are in case you can't find us
>to set up.
>	My Austral (along with my 15 HP IHC--which I'm selling) will be set up at
>the very end of the SEL reserved space. Please try to "fill in" from right
>to left so that we can give back any space that we don't need by Friday
>evening. See you at Coolspring!
>	Dave
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jun  4 11:32:49 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:32:49 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 39, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1180972803.17316.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070604203121.00ae5a38@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 04/06/2007, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:56:53 +0100
>From: "Fred Southwell" <fsouthwell at googlemail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Fielding & Platt info needed
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <3bd33b2e0706030956m6220ce4ck8bd4f5a59b15f6be at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Jerry,
>A number of years ago the Amberley Chalk Pits Museum had a Fielding and
>Platt under canopy outside their engine shed. I don't know if it's still
>there but you can contact them via their website. They have changed their
>name now but try http://www.amberleymuseum.co.uk. They mught be ablt to
>help.

Thanks Fred,
         I've got them on my list as they came up via a Google search but 
have not contacted them yet - I will do so.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jun  4 13:36:45 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:36:45 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 39, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1180972803.17316.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <200706042242640.SM01828@new.databak.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 04/06/2007, you wrote:
>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:55:25 +0800
>From: Jack Watson <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
>Subject: [SEL]  The Dying Maytag (Part 3 of 4)
>
>"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
>                  (with apologies to Edward Farmer)
>
>Part 3 of 4
>
>
>He thought that Jim was dying.
>This thing he loved so dear
>Had uttered these last words
>That he might ever hope to hear.
>
>The workshop door was opened,
>The scrapman's steps were heard,
>The owner and the scrapman met -
>Yet neither spoke a word.
>
>He knew that all was over;
>He knew his 'Tag was dead.
>He took the money in his hand
>And walked out of the shed.
>
>His quivering lips gave token
>Of grief he failed to conceal
>To see his wife had joined him
>So the stricken couple kneel.
>
>With hearts burdened down with sadness
>She humbly asks, with him
>In Heaven once more to meet again
>Their own poor little Jim.
>=====
>Dear Reader, please do not dispair. There WILL be a happy ending . . .
>JW?

With apologies to The author and all concerned.

Turn'd out, T'was not the scrapman after all,
But a whiskered old professor,
by the name of Rotigall, (poetic licence invoked)
Who took 'lil Jim,
And on the SEL Auction did place him.

Furious bidding for Jim resulted,
But his new master never faulted.
And now, to South Africa, he's on his way
Where for ever he will stay.

Jim'll occupy his own place of pride,
Amongst those who ne'er died.
Travelling from show to show,
To be respected by those who know.

His fate was almost sealed.
Had not his sentence been appealed,
'Cos it was only a matter of time
afore an axe had stilled his rhyme.

Jim, his name will stay,
The beloved little stray,
The only Maytag ever before
To grace our beautiful shore.

         For those who do not know - I bought the Maytag that Dave put on 
the Charity Auction in December and am awaiting delivery from our Postal 
Service. It left the USA about 6 weeks ago so it is now only a matter of 
time (Africa time) before it arrives.
         I give all my engines names so in honour of this verse I'm going 
to call my Maytag
"Little Jim" - thanks to you Jack Watson.
( The above verse compiled, composed or just "plain thought of" by Jerry 
Evans and his daughter, Jacqui with a fair amount of help from a bottle of 
brandy, some Coke and a few beers.)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun  4 15:41:13 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:41:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Bargain engine
References: <20070604042136.WVYH1715.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706041018070.75996@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <008b01c7a6f9$75630680$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

No,  the seller is looking for a mug!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bargain engine


> G'day Patrick,
> 
> May we safely assume a slipped decimal point on that starting price?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
> 
>> Check out eBay item# 270127035918
>> A bit of a bargain for a non-running Ronnie N ;)
> 
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From DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net  Mon Jun  4 17:25:11 2007
From: DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net (DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:25:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] model engine prices
Message-ID: <AA-0BC42D455539663BE3386E2728D44FDD-ZZ@fipprd25>

OOOPs . Hello all I am tryin to help out a friend 
sell her late husbans toys and I have no idea on what 
these things are worth  so any help wouyld be great . 
Here they are  #1 is a New Holland 1/8 scale 1 & 1/2 
HP  100th anniversary  # 2 is a Waterloo Boy on a 
cart  # 3 is a Mc Cormick Deering on a cart  # 4 is a 
International Harvester upright  and  # 5 is a John 
Deere on a base with batteries  Thank You to all that 
reply 



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jun  4 18:33:46 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:33:46 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Little Jim Part 4 of 4
In-Reply-To: <200706042242640.SM01828@new.databak.co.za>
References: <200706042242640.SM01828@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <4664BD7A.2000903@optusnet.com.au>


"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)


Part 4 of 4


But hark! What's that? Around the back,
That smokey puttering hymn!
The scrapman cometh - and what's he brought?
He's fetched back Little Jim!

The scrapman wants his money back.
(Cough) "Jim runs OK. I do not mind a joke -
But even scrapmen have their pride." He's all choked up inside -
His lungs are filled with smoke.

"But - you said Jim runs?"  She waits his slow reply -
He answered back twixt resp'ratory attacks,
"To make it go, I thought you'd know,
(Cough) PULL OUT DAVE'S BLOODY AXE!"

=====

Now it's Goodnight from me and Goodnight from Jim.

JW?



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun  4 18:34:18 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:34:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F29BF579B9DD2C46CCC36D995210@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY144-F29BF579B9DD2C46CCC36D995210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4664BD9A.3010504@scrtc.com>

Steve,
    You're running with rough company!  Really, you're lucky to have a 
good traveling companion like Bill.  He's a good one.  See ya soon.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Dave, Bill Bird and I will be there with a trailer and two engines. 
> Thanks for saving the spot. See you Wed.  Steve




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jun  4 18:52:59 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:52:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Little Jim Part 4 of 4
References: <200706042242640.SM01828@new.databak.co.za>
	<4664BD7A.2000903@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <001a01c7a714$3f81bc80$eff34c0c@D48VHZ61>

 I'm thinking a signed and framed copy of this poem would make a good 
charity auction item!

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] Little Jim Part 4 of 4



"Little Jim" - The Restorer's's Dying Maytag - by JW?
                 (with apologies to Edward Farmer)


Part 4 of 4


But hark! What's that? Around the back,
That smokey puttering hymn!
The scrapman cometh - and what's he brought?
He's fetched back Little Jim!

The scrapman wants his money back.
(Cough) "Jim runs OK. I do not mind a joke -
But even scrapmen have their pride." He's all choked up inside -
His lungs are filled with smoke.

"But - you said Jim runs?"  She waits his slow reply -
He answered back twixt resp'ratory attacks,
"To make it go, I thought you'd know,
(Cough) PULL OUT DAVE'S BLOODY AXE!"

=====

Now it's Goodnight from me and Goodnight from Jim.

JW?

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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jun  4 19:27:13 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:27:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Little Jim Part 4 of 4
In-Reply-To: <4664BD7A.2000903@optusnet.com.au>
References: <200706042242640.SM01828@new.databak.co.za>
	<4664BD7A.2000903@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <860d7486f39694a95262fa6a40b41795@chartertn.net>

Yep, there's a happy ending! :-D

John

On Jun 4, 2007, at 9:33 PM, Jack Watson wrote:

>
> "To make it go, I thought you'd know,
> (Cough) PULL OUT DAVE'S BLOODY AXE!"


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Mon Jun  4 20:10:44 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:10:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Greatest job in the world.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>

Last week I finished up a course in running a steam traction engine 
at Rough and Tumble in south east PA  (I highly recommend the course, 
great fun and 12 hrs of hands on out of 16 hrs of training.)

I worked beside Dave Muehsam  After we cleaned the boiler and lubed 
and checked everything and of course filled it with water, we had a 
little time while we waited for the water to boil so I asked him what 
he does for a living.  He goes to tractor shows and makes videos!  It 
takes him about a year to edit down a video and get it ready for 
sale, and then he is off to the next one.  It's a tough job but 
someone has to do it.

Here is a picture of my coworker doing research for his next video.
http://www.ironclassics.com/New_Pages_folder/WhatsNew.html

And some pix of the school  (Last year)
http://www.roughandtumble.org/rt-albums/rt-2006_sch/rt_photo_2006_sch.asp

Frank



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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jun  4 21:31:37 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:31:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Urgent engine info wanted
Message-ID: <004401c7a72a$67b79ce0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all
A message to ALL aussie engine guys, is there anyone out there who is also 
bringing engines to Australia in a container from the USA with John 
Debrincat in Sydney???????

There is mine and two others that John can't identify, he thought they were 
all mine, I should have kept quite ;-))))

The 40' container was loaded yesterday, after a delay in finding a ship with 
space!!, and should arrive here in Sydney around the 14th July

Please contact me.

Regards
Peter, Oz 



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jun  5 01:23:23 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:23:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Urgent engine info wanted
References: <004401c7a72a$67b79ce0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <000401c7a74a$c974ec10$d4ee683a@Edd>

Hi Peter.I know who it is and I have phoned him so all should be well.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: [SEL] Urgent engine info wanted


> Hi all
> A message to ALL aussie engine guys, is there anyone out there who is also
> bringing engines to Australia in a container from the USA with John
> Debrincat in Sydney???????
>
> There is mine and two others that John can't identify, he thought they 
> were
> all mine, I should have kept quite ;-))))
>
> The 40' container was loaded yesterday, after a delay in finding a ship 
> with
> space!!, and should arrive here in Sydney around the 14th July
>
> Please contact me.
>
> Regards
> Peter, Oz
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jun  5 05:19:51 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:19:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip - saw some old iron......
In-Reply-To: <20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Left for PA from IA early Friday May 25th. While passing through Indiana,
saw a flatbed with a large engine, looked like those large "oil field"
engines some of you fellers have. It occupied pretty much 10' or so of
that flatbed.
On the way back to Iowa, saw more than one load of old iron, a couple with
some engines mixed in the bunch - was there something going on that
weekend?
This was later Sunday the 27th and what I saw was headed east through
Indiana.
Wow, for the tolls, and the highest gas prices of the entire trip, Indiana
roads SUCK, sorry, but Iowa, Illinois, Ohio and PA have got Indiana beat
hands-down in highway quality AND gas prices (although Ohio gas scared us
a bit, too). For such high gas taxes and those tolls, you'd
expect.............. while PA was the most expensive in tolls, their
highways were good and you can see that money went to tunnels, bridges and
all the extra engineering in their highways through the hills.
Iowa gas was 3.09 when we left, it went up from there with Ohio at about
3.49, Indiana at 3.59 and PA at 2.99 to 3.04.
(*When I got back Iowa had shot up to 3.29, but has settled to 2.99 since.)
PA cost us 60 bucks just to get through and back out, but they made up for
it in nice roads and shortcuts through those ridges and all. $9 just for
the privilage of entering the state of PA, then the tolls start.
My friend Doug, who made the trip with me, did a fantastic write-up here:
http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=10670.0
and here it sits at home:
http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg
The thing rode very well back there, straight and true. I felt it on the
hills, it kept me at about 55 much of PA, but otherwise was well behaved.
The car if the engine had been in it would be about 3500 - the engine rode
in the back of the pickup.
The tarp is because it's electric windows, there is no battery and the
driver window was down. I've just not carried a battery to it so I can
"roll" the window up.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
Home of the still stuck 7hp Chapman
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4
1980 Eagle wagon
http://theamcpages.com


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jun  5 05:34:58 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:34:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>

You guys are bitching about nothing, we pay $4.10 to $4.24US a gallon here, 
that is converted to US gallons and Oz $ to US$, that is on a good day.
Seeing you guzzle the largest amount of the worlds GAS, why shouldn't you 
pay for it. (smile) now watch the flames get thrown ;-)))
It is only going to get more expensive, so hang on to you wallets.

Peter, Oz



> Iowa gas was 3.09 when we left, it went up from there with Ohio at about
> 3.49, Indiana at 3.59 and PA at 2.99 to 3.04.
> (*When I got back Iowa had shot up to 3.29, but has settled to 2.99 
> since.)
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun  5 06:26:47 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:26:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706050922360.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>

OK Folks,

Here's this month's quiz...

What do these 12 names have in common?

Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Jun  5 06:01:19 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:01:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706050922360.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706050922360.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070605090038.02f28a10@pop3.wcoil.com>

Pennsylvania built.             Mark

At 09:26 AM 6/5/07, you wrote:
>OK Folks,
>
>Here's this month's quiz...
>
>What do these 12 names have in common?
>
>Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
>See ya,  Arnie
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
No Sunday calls if possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jun  5 06:10:06 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:10:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <1365.165.206.180.53.1181049006.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Peter no flames here.
While I'd agree, there's also other things to consider - while the gas
here is cheaper than "there", we do pay more for other things, let's
compare drug and medical costs, insurance costs, etc. so I suspect it all
balances out.
And perhaps we'd not "bi ch" so much if it snuck up on us, or wasn't done
in an underhanded way.
If it had slowly kept pace with inflation and other costs........
Funny, we had the large surge in prices, but did it stop folks from
driving this past holiday? Not really. Oh, some, yeah, but in general,
folks said the traffic was "as heavy as usual for the holiday" - at least
where we were.

People wonder why I'm getting these cars......... two reasons:
They are classic/collector cars and like our engines, they will appreciate
in value some-what, they will be worth more when restored, however, the
biggest factor for my wife ->
They will be CHEAPER to drive than our current newer vehicles. These
Eagles can get 30 mpg for the SX/4 (5 speed stick) and mid-20's for the
wagon (automatic).
Show me a SUV with the strength and power of these that will do that. Take
the same money you'd make on payments for a new car or suv and apply that
to these and in a couple of years, you could do a frame-up total
restoration and add EFI, etc.
Imagine, a sporty 4 wheel drive hatchback that would get typical mid-20s
for mileage, and 30 on a highway trip.
Put a receiver on that wagon it will pull the same load as a Jeep
Cherokee, after-all, these are what the later Jeeps are based on! So I
could have a 4x4 tow vehicle getting mid 20's.

Yeah, the young female who drives a HUMMER to go to the grocery store for
a single sack of groceries, and is the only person in the vehicle. Makes
perfect sense...... we parked next to her last week while we filled our
compact Jeep Liberty to the brim with multiple sacks on our way home from
commuting to work together - car pooling.
But I guess, that's her right.

Anyway, no I won't flame ya, there's other things that are cheaper there,
things that are cheaper here.
I wonder - what about the price of engines?
What are some common ones that we can compare??

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4
1980 Eagle wagon
http://theamcpages.com

> You guys are bitching about nothing, we pay $4.10 to $4.24US a gallon
> here,
> that is converted to US gallons and Oz $ to US$, that is on a good day.
> Seeing you guzzle the largest amount of the worlds GAS, why shouldn't you
> pay for it. (smile) now watch the flames get thrown ;-)))
> It is only going to get more expensive, so hang on to you wallets.
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>> Iowa gas was 3.09 when we left, it went up from there with Ohio at about
>> 3.49, Indiana at 3.59 and PA at 2.99 to 3.04.
>> (*When I got back Iowa had shot up to 3.29, but has settled to 2.99
>> since.)
>> Bill
>> Runnells, Iowa
>
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> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jun  5 06:10:41 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:10:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706050922360.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070605090038.02f28a10@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <003801c7a772$eb60f9e0$0601a8c0@altech>

Wasn't Campbell a NY company?

Peter, Oz





> Pennsylvania built.             Mark
>
> At 09:26 AM 6/5/07, you wrote:
>>OK Folks,
>>
>>Here's this month's quiz...
>>
>>What do these 12 names have in common?
>>
>>Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>>Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>Arnie Fero
>>Pittsburgh, PA
>>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
> Parts lists available on request.
>
> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
> No Sunday calls if possible.
> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I 
> represent
> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Tue Jun  5 06:16:20 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:16:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <46656224.4020603@steamengine.com.au>

I was going to echo Peter... but since he's already done it... I do have 
to wonder what the attraction for the car is? I guess it is something 
special when it runs?

ps. Peter - don't forget we supposedly pay on par with the USA... or so 
our oil companies say anyway.

Paul

Peter Lowe wrote:
> You guys are bitching about nothing, we pay $4.10 to $4.24US a gallon here, 
> that is converted to US gallons and Oz $ to US$, that is on a good day.
> Seeing you guzzle the largest amount of the worlds GAS, why shouldn't you 
> pay for it. (smile) now watch the flames get thrown ;-)))
> It is only going to get more expensive, so hang on to you wallets.
>
> Peter, Oz
>   



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  5 06:38:29 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:38:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706050922360.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C28AB565.1C25C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

A bunch of old dead dudes?
-- 
Kelley



On 6/5/07 6:26 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> OK Folks,
> 
> Here's this month's quiz...
> 
> What do these 12 names have in common?
> 
> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 06:42:17 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:42:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip - saw some old iron......
In-Reply-To: <1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <779015.50778.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Bill,
  That is quite a road trip.
  Bummer too,,, I wonder ,,, Was it last year or the year before that I GAVE five of them eagles, all 1980-83, to the junkyard ?
  There was four wagons and one was a 4-door.
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
  Left for PA from IA early Friday May 25th. While passing through Indiana,
saw a flatbed with a large engine, looked like those large "oil field"
engines some of you fellers have. It occupied pretty much 10' or so of
that flatbed.
On the way back to Iowa, saw more than one load of old iron, a couple with
some engines mixed in the bunch - was there something going on that
weekend?
This was later Sunday the 27th and what I saw was headed east through
Indiana.
Wow, for the tolls, and the highest gas prices of the entire trip, Indiana
roads SUCK, sorry, but Iowa, Illinois, Ohio and PA have got Indiana beat
hands-down in highway quality AND gas prices (although Ohio gas scared us
a bit, too). For such high gas taxes and those tolls, you'd
expect.............. while PA was the most expensive in tolls, their
highways were good and you can see that money went to tunnels, bridges and
all the extra engineering in their highways through the hills.
Iowa gas was 3.09 when we left, it went up from there with Ohio at about
3.49, Indiana at 3.59 and PA at 2.99 to 3.04.
(*When I got back Iowa had shot up to 3.29, but has settled to 2.99 since.)
PA cost us 60 bucks just to get through and back out, but they made up for
it in nice roads and shortcuts through those ridges and all. $9 just for
the privilage of entering the state of PA, then the tolls start.
My friend Doug, who made the trip with me, did a fantastic write-up here:
http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=10670.0
and here it sits at home:
http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg
The thing rode very well back there, straight and true. I felt it on the
hills, it kept me at about 55 much of PA, but otherwise was well behaved.
The car if the engine had been in it would be about 3500 - the engine rode
in the back of the pickup.
The tarp is because it's electric windows, there is no battery and the
driver window was down. I've just not carried a battery to it so I can
"roll" the window up.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
Home of the still stuck 7hp Chapman
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4
1980 Eagle wagon
http://theamcpages.com
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jun  5 06:46:26 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:46:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<46656224.4020603@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <004001c7a777$e9acc7f0$0601a8c0@altech>

Yoiu gotta be kidding me Paul ;-))
Peter




>I was going to echo Peter... but since he's already done it... I do have
> to wonder what the attraction for the car is? I guess it is something
> special when it runs?
>
> ps. Peter - don't forget we supposedly pay on par with the USA... or so
> our oil companies say anyway.
>
> Paul
>
> Peter Lowe wrote:
>> You guys are bitching about nothing, we pay $4.10 to $4.24US a gallon 
>> here,
>> that is converted to US gallons and Oz $ to US$, that is on a good day.
>> Seeing you guzzle the largest amount of the worlds GAS, why shouldn't you
>> pay for it. (smile) now watch the flames get thrown ;-)))
>> It is only going to get more expensive, so hang on to you wallets.
>>
>> Peter, Oz
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jun  5 06:47:53 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:47:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
References: <C28AB565.1C25C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <004401c7a778$1de9bc80$0601a8c0@altech>

Good one Kelley, I can't Google any answers. Put us out of our misery Arnie 
;-))

Peter, Oz






>A bunch of old dead dudes?
> -- 
> Kelley
>
>
>
> On 6/5/07 6:26 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>> OK Folks,
>>
>> Here's this month's quiz...
>>
>> What do these 12 names have in common?
>>
>> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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> 



From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Jun  5 06:50:08 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:50:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Greatest job in the world.
In-Reply-To: <20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <200706051350.l55DoB5O089719@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Iron Classics Snow #404 (Rough and Tumble) is one of the best old iron
videos I've ever seen.  It is very well edited and there is virtually no
"dead time" in it.  Good job, Dave!

I have no connection with Iron Classics, just a satisfied customer. 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
[mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Frank DeWitt
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:11 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Greatest job in the world.

Last week I finished up a course in running a steam traction engine 
at Rough and Tumble in south east PA  (I highly recommend the course, 
great fun and 12 hrs of hands on out of 16 hrs of training.)

I worked beside Dave Muehsam  After we cleaned the boiler and lubed 
and checked everything and of course filled it with water, we had a 
little time while we waited for the water to boil so I asked him what 
he does for a living.  He goes to tractor shows and makes videos!  It 
takes him about a year to edit down a video and get it ready for 
sale, and then he is off to the next one.  It's a tough job but 
someone has to do it.

Here is a picture of my coworker doing research for his next video.
http://www.ironclassics.com/New_Pages_folder/WhatsNew.html

And some pix of the school  (Last year)
http://www.roughandtumble.org/rt-albums/rt-2006_sch/rt_photo_2006_sch.asp

Frank

 
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From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Tue Jun  5 06:52:53 2007
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:52:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
Message-ID: <d61.9e98c41.3396c4b5@aol.com>

Come on Arnie,
You know the right answer is engines built in Butler Co. PA !    The feature 
engines of Coolspring  :o)
 
TTYL, Dwight



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Tue Jun  5 06:53:05 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:53:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
References: <C28AB565.1C25C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <004301c7a778$d8e04900$6eaa123f@D8LJ7K91>

Those are all engines built in Butler County, PA and will be featured at 
Coolspring next week.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelley Garcia" <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?


>A bunch of old dead dudes?
> -- 
> Kelley
>
>
>
> On 6/5/07 6:26 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>> OK Folks,
>>
>> Here's this month's quiz...
>>
>> What do these 12 names have in common?
>>
>> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>>
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun  5 07:46:51 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:46:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <380-2200762513226250@coastalnet.com>
References: <380-2200762513226250@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706051039080.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>

Ken came pretty close.  All are engines used in the PA oilfields and all
were built in Butler County, PA.  The first nine were all actually built
in the City of Butler.

AND most importantly, "Those Magnificant Butler County Engines" are the
feature of Coolspring 2007 which runs June 14-16.  That's next week for
those of you lacking calendars.  8-))
http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/

See ya all there!!

Arnie

PS - Kelley?  A bunch of old dead white guys?
Sheesh.  I REALLY expected better.  8-))

On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Ken Christison wrote:

> Butler, PA?
>
> > From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> >
> > Here's this month's quiz...
> > What do these 12 names have in common?
> >
> > Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
> > Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  5 07:48:13 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:48:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706051039080.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

I didn't know they were white....
-- 
Kelley

PS.  However, my answer _was_ correct, was it not?



On 6/5/07 7:46 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Ken came pretty close.  All are engines used in the PA oilfields and all
> were built in Butler County, PA.  The first nine were all actually built
> in the City of Butler.
> 
> AND most importantly, "Those Magnificant Butler County Engines" are the
> feature of Coolspring 2007 which runs June 14-16.  That's next week for
> those of you lacking calendars.  8-))
> http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/
> 
> See ya all there!!
> 
> Arnie
> 
> PS - Kelley?  A bunch of old dead white guys?
> Sheesh.  I REALLY expected better.  8-))
> 
> On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Ken Christison wrote:
> 
>> Butler, PA?
>> 
>>> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>> 
>>> Here's this month's quiz...
>>> What do these 12 names have in common?
>>> 
>>> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>>> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
> 
> 
> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
> 
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  5 08:18:25 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:18:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <26FB7DE4-0DFA-479D-BD4F-1F5D22CFA5BC@rustyiron.com>

Coincidentally, these are also the names of the people Arnie dated in  
high school.


>>>> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>>>> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?






From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jun  5 08:33:20 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:33:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <26FB7DE4-0DFA-479D-BD4F-1F5D22CFA5BC@rustyiron.com>
References: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<26FB7DE4-0DFA-479D-BD4F-1F5D22CFA5BC@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1825.165.206.180.53.1181057600.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Price Bros.?
Both at once?
OR alternate weekends?

Bill

> Coincidentally, these are also the names of the people Arnie dated in
> high school.
>
>
>>>>> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>>>>> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun  5 08:35:25 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:35:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
References: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<26FB7DE4-0DFA-479D-BD4F-1F5D22CFA5BC@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <007901c7a787$265310b0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?


> Coincidentally, these are also the names of the people Arnie dated in  
> high school.
> 
> 
>>>>> Ball, Braden, Campbell, Etna, Evans, Palm, Phillips, Spang,
>>>>> Wise, Price Bros., J.P. Berry, and Pugh & Tinsman?

Etna, That must have been a Bl*w Job. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jun  5 09:54:32 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:54:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706051039080.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070605115009.01da4e40@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:48 AM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
>I didn't know they were white....
>--
>Kelley
>PS.  However, my answer _was_ correct, was it not?

Yes Kelley, you were correct and we should all remember that we owe much to 
MEN like these who because of their intelligence, foresight and selfishness 
brought us into the industrial age while their women stayed home and did 
what women do best--had babies and cooked!
         Dave 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun  5 10:05:03 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:05:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <C28AC5BD.1C279%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706051255590.82477@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hiya Kelley,

Actually, no.  8-))

A number of them certainly were guys; Evan & Harvey Evans, Pryor & J.P.
Berry, George Spang, Thomas W. Phillips, James and E. Brooks Wise, for
example.  OTOH, The Etna Machine Works was named for its location on Etna
Street in Butler.

I think Dave probably had the right idea.  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:

> PS.  However, my answer _was_ correct, was it not?


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 11:11:38 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:11:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <46656224.4020603@steamengine.com.au>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<46656224.4020603@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706051111j52b09b6v20143aa889552c98@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/06/07, Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
> I was going to echo Peter... but since he's already done it... I do have
> to wonder what the attraction for the car is? I guess it is something
> special when it runs?
>
> ps. Peter - don't forget we supposedly pay on par with the USA... or so
> our oil companies say anyway.
>
> Paul
>
> Peter Lowe wrote:
> > You guys are bitching about nothing, we pay $4.10 to $4.24US a gallon here,
> > that is converted to US gallons and Oz $ to US$, that is on a good day.
> > Seeing you guzzle the largest amount of the worlds GAS, why shouldn't you
> > pay for it. (smile) now watch the flames get thrown ;-)))
> > It is only going to get more expensive, so hang on to you wallets.
> >
> > Peter, Oz


You all need to to take a trip to the UK to see high fuel prices....

?0.99p per litre on the freeways, that is close to $US 1.85 or
whatever today's exchange rate is, then convert to US or Imperial
gallons as the case may be.

Since we moved our factory to just around the corner from where we
live, it has saved us nearly $US1000.00 a month in fuel, not to
mention our driving time and vehicle wear and tear.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  5 11:27:58 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:27:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160706051111j52b09b6v20143aa889552c98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<46656224.4020603@steamengine.com.au>
	<6f6025160706051111j52b09b6v20143aa889552c98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0AF8A91B-0F85-499C-A039-C29FC6E9E4F2@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> Since we moved our factory to just around the corner from where we
> live, it has saved us nearly $US1000.00 a month in fuel, not to
> mention our driving time and vehicle wear and tear.

$1k/mo will translate into some nice engines, mate.







From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  5 16:50:15 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:50:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070605115009.01da4e40@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <C28B44C7.1C2AF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

WE send them off to work 'cause they're ineffectual with babies, cooking,
and a multitude of other tasks - all at the same time.  Women needed them
out from under foot so they could get the REAL work done.  Good thing they
(men) found something useful to do!
-- 
Kelley



On 6/5/07 9:54 AM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

> At 09:48 AM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
>> I didn't know they were white....
>> --
>> Kelley
>> PS.  However, my answer _was_ correct, was it not?
> 
> Yes Kelley, you were correct and we should all remember that we owe much to
> MEN like these who because of their intelligence, foresight and selfishness
> brought us into the industrial age while their women stayed home and did
> what women do best--had babies and cooked!
>          Dave 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Jun  5 19:11:50 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:11:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral (& R-T) engine numbers
Message-ID: <20070606021149.DEJX13690.oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I am beginning to dig through all the data that goes with the Austral
register. The first little project I have completed is to get a more
complete Austral (& R-T) engine dating list online:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/australnumbers.html
Let me know if you see any obvious errors ;)
I am now going to start hunting down Australs that are not on the register.
There are a lot that are on the register already but there are also a lot
that are not or are incorrectly or only partially recorded. I am only just
beginning to get a hold of it all and I am currently relying on writing any
new numbers on bits of paper. I hope to have a computer database up and
running soon to keep track of it all. I have already added four engines to
the register and it is only the first week.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From kimmell at verizon.net  Tue Jun  5 20:05:03 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:05:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

I remember in 1999-2000 gas around here was in the neighborhood of 
$1.00 per gallon.  Gas is now over three times that price.  I hardly 
think the number of cars on the road nor amount of gas consumed has 
TRIPLED in the last 7 years.  I'd also like to know why gas goes up 
in 10-20 cent jumps, but never drops more than 1-2 cents at 
once.  Fluctuations should go both ways, should they not?

One thing that Europe and the rest of the world has that the USA 
doesn't is an abundance of diesel cars.  The liberal tree hugging 
idiots have done a good job of keeping them out of here (along with 
some people's misconceptions that all diesels are like the Olds 350 
diesel of the late 70's).  VW and Mercedes quit selling diesels in 
the US a few years ago.  Related to the ultra low sulphur diesel fuel 
changeover and the fact that they couldn't pass the EPA emissions, 
blah-blah-blah... (insert liberal BS excuse here).  Fact is, diesels 
get better mileage, last longer, and can run on a more diverse 
mixture of different fuels than a gas engine.  And around here, 
diesel is about 50 cents cheaper per gallon than gas (should be ALOT 
cheaper since it's just a refinery by-product, but whatever).

I run my VW Jetta diesel on used motor oil (or used cooking oil) and 
get 43 MPG.

-Tony


At 07:34 AM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
>Seeing you guzzle the largest amount of the worlds GAS, why shouldn't you
>pay for it. (smile) now watch the flames get thrown ;-)))
>It is only going to get more expensive, so hang on to you wallets.
>
>Peter, Oz




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  5 20:55:14 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:55:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <ED52BA0E-71E5-4A5F-B27E-0C81CC258AFF@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 5, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Tony & Jackie wrote:

> I remember in 1999-2000 gas around here was in the neighborhood of
> $1.00 per gallon.  Gas is now over three times that price.  I hardly
> think the number of cars on the road nor amount of gas consumed has
> TRIPLED in the last 7 years.  I'd also like to know why gas goes up
> in 10-20 cent jumps, but never drops more than 1-2 cents at
> once.  Fluctuations should go both ways, should they not?

Hi Tony,
I remember that gasoline was just breaking a buck a gallon back in  
1979 when I started driving.  The BIG question is, why did the price  
remain flat over a twenty year period?  If your number is correct,  
then the price of gasoline, when adjusted to the consumer price  
index, actually DROPPED 56%.  How many other commodities decreased in  
cost by more than half?

> I run my VW Jetta diesel on used motor oil (or used cooking oil) and
> get 43 MPG.

I'm curious about this. What do you do to turn the used oil into  
usable fuel.  Cost of raw materials?  Man hours?

Thanks,
Rob






From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  6 01:18:32 2007
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:18:32 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <46636F13.7040105@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY143-F15007E78960BA164E5E0BFD0270@phx.gbl>

Hey Tommy,I'm big headed enough now without calling me special.Seriously, 
been waiting years to come over and meet you and other serious collectors. 
Can't wait,  See Ya   John


>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring Show
>Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:46:59 -0400
>
>Dave and everyone,
>     We'll have a special SEL member with us this year.  John Palmer from
>England will be making the trip across the water to visit Coolspring.
>His son will be joining him and I've reserved them a room in
>Brookville.  I look forward to seeing everyone soon.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
> >Hi All,
> >	I'll be reserving space again this year at Coolspring for the SEL gang! 
>As
> >in the past we will be in the 3rd row to the right way down near the 
>trees.
> >I'll have a sign at the end of that row with an arrow pointing to the
> >right. I should have the ropes and SEL RESERVE signs in place by late
> >Tuesday (June 12th.)  Jake will know where we are in case you can't find 
>us
> >to set up.
> >	My Austral (along with my 15 HP IHC--which I'm selling) will be set up 
>at
> >the very end of the SEL reserved space. Please try to "fill in" from 
>right
> >to left so that we can give back any space that we don't need by Friday
> >evening. See you at Coolspring!
> >	Dave
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Wed Jun  6 04:31:22 2007
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:31:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <ED52BA0E-71E5-4A5F-B27E-0C81CC258AFF@rustyiron.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<ED52BA0E-71E5-4A5F-B27E-0C81CC258AFF@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <web-429892320@mail.hal-pc.org>


"The BIG question is, why did the price
remain flat over a twenty year period? If your number is correct,
then the price of gasoline, when adjusted to the consumer price
index, actually DROPPED 56%. How many other commodities decreased in
cost by more than half?"

Accurate observation Rob but not exactly what people suffering from 
high energy costs want to hear.

I know from personal experience that the longer we draw from a 
non-renewable the less there is and the harder it is to find what's 
left. The easy reserves are found and developed first and what's left 
is deeper in the earth, deeper water, tighter rock etc all costing 
significantly more to develope technology that wasn't around 10 or 
even 5 years ago. We are producing reserves from shale that a few 
years ago we just drilled through to get to the good stuff, but it 
ain't cheap.


On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:55:14 -0700
  Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> On Jun 5, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Tony & Jackie wrote:
> 
>> I remember in 1999-2000 gas around here was in the neighborhood of
>> $1.00 per gallon.  Gas is now over three times that price.  I hardly
>> think the number of cars on the road nor amount of gas consumed has
>> TRIPLED in the last 7 years.  I'd also like to know why gas goes up
>> in 10-20 cent jumps, but never drops more than 1-2 cents at
>> once.  Fluctuations should go both ways, should they not?
> 
> Hi Tony,
> I remember that gasoline was just breaking a buck a gallon back in  
> 1979 when I started driving.  The BIG question is, why did the price 
> 
> remain flat over a twenty year period?  If your number is correct,  
> then the price of gasoline, when adjusted to the consumer price  
> index, actually DROPPED 56%.  How many other commodities decreased 
>in  
> cost by more than half?
> 
>> I run my VW Jetta diesel on used motor oil (or used cooking oil) and
>> get 43 MPG.
> 
> I'm curious about this. What do you do to turn the used oil into  
> usable fuel.  Cost of raw materials?  Man hours?
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  6 04:46:38 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 04:46:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate
In-Reply-To: <web-429892320@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <803471.59398.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day All Aussies

Any one know where I can get a cast brass name plate
for a Austral / MV agent, it is 200 mm or 8" between
bolt holes.
Thanks for any help


Kerry

Lithgow NSW Oz



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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun  6 05:46:14 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:46:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate
References: <803471.59398.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c7a838$abe51320$d4ee683a@Edd>

Hi Kerry.I got one from Greg McNeice at rally badges.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry Morris" <ozhornsby at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:46 PM
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate


> G'Day All Aussies
>
> Any one know where I can get a cast brass name plate
> for a Austral / MV agent, it is 200 mm or 8" between
> bolt holes.
> Thanks for any help
>
>
> Kerry
>
> Lithgow NSW Oz
>
>
>
> 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Jun  6 08:57:33 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:57:33 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Fielding & Platt follow up
Message-ID: <200706061802953.SM01692@new.databak.co.za>

Hi All,
         I'm still no further with finding info on the Fielding & Platt. 
I've drawn a few blanks so far but am still exploring other channels.
         In the meantime the owner gave me a few pics of the engine as he 
was stripping it. They are not of the best quality but they are the best I 
have. (The engine was dismantled - so don't expect to see a restored 
engine). More pics will follow as I get them.
They are here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/fielding/index.htm>

         One thing that will really help him is a set of "starting 
Instructions" if anyone can oblige.

         Thanks to all those of you who did respond to my previous mail.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 09:12:55 2007
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:12:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>

Just a couple of observations:
As to " I hardly think the number of cars on the road nor amount of gas
consumed has TRIPLED in the last 7 years"

In the SanFran Bay Area traffic has increased and continues to do so. People
are driving further to work, and those that don't are still using more fuel
because they are on the road longer. A regular 35 mile trip takes me 45
minutes to an hour and sometimes longer; that's more fuel per mile. I don't
know what the traffic increase is, but there is definitely an increase
around here.

I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is the way
to go for now. More efficient diesel engines can be developed now and we
don't have to wait years for dream terminology and all the unknowns to come
on-line.

There is something about gas prices that has always annoyed me. I can pump
gas within sight of a refinery and pay more there than I pay in the hills
where the gas has to be trucked miles. I understand a little extra for local
taxes (lots extra in SanFran) but it just bugs me that gas prices are turned
around like that.

Paul in SanFran
Gotta get to work so I can fill my tank.



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 09:31:23 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:31:23 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706060931w69409b9cs90fa9eb3ff5079cc@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/06/07, P. Johns <enginepaul at gmail.com> wrote:

> I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is the way
> to go for now. More efficient diesel engines can be developed now and we
> don't have to wait years for dream terminology and all the unknowns to come
> on-line.
>

GM and Ford both have European companies with highly efficient
diesels, why they don't introduce them to the USA I have no idea.

Take also the companies like Isuzu, who have a fine range of diesel
engines, and the two French companies, Renault and Peugeot. All these
have decent high-output car and truck engines, and at the very top end
you have Volvo and Scania with up to 550hp truck diesel engines.

Cummins is playing a little catch-up on technology, but they will get there.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 09:34:46 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:34:46 +0100
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
In-Reply-To: <C28B44C7.1C2AF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070605115009.01da4e40@mail.alltel.net>
	<C28B44C7.1C2AF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706060934p2adb934fi4a5302c6a4ee9096@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/06/07, Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> WE send them off to work 'cause they're ineffectual with babies, cooking,
> and a multitude of other tasks - all at the same time.  Women needed them
> out from under foot so they could get the REAL work done.  Good thing they
> (men) found something useful to do!
> --
> Kelley
>

I could have serious doubts over some of those statements, Kelley! :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jun  6 09:41:55 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:41:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com>

> I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is  
> the way
> to go for now.

Diesel is always the way to go, as higher compression ratio equals  
higher efficiency.  Dugald Clerk wrote about it more than one hundred  
years ago.  Clerk actually stated in one of his books that although  
Diesel was on the right track by experimenting with high compression  
engines, Diesel still didn't know WHY high compression was better,  
and that he didn't understand the thermodynamics involved.  SMACK!   
Ya think there could have been a little rivalry among engine luminaries?

Rob




From brock at netspeed.com.au  Wed Jun  6 06:33:24 2007
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:33:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate
Message-ID: <4666b7a4.24c.63d1.91432062@netspeed.com.au>

Try B Erickson he probly took it  
----- Original Message -----
From: Kerry Morris <ozhornsby at yahoo.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 04:46:38 -0700 (PDT)

> G'Day All Aussies
> 
> Any one know where I can get a cast brass name plate
> for a Austral / MV agent, it is 200 mm or 8" between
> bolt holes.
> Thanks for any help
> 
> 
> Kerry
> 
> Lithgow NSW Oz
> 
> 
> 
>      
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 11:02:33 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:02:33 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/06/07, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> > I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is
> > the way
> > to go for now.
>
> Diesel is always the way to go, as higher compression ratio equals
> higher efficiency.  Dugald Clerk wrote about it more than one hundred
> years ago.  Clerk actually stated in one of his books that although
> Diesel was on the right track by experimenting with high compression
> engines, Diesel still didn't know WHY high compression was better,
> and that he didn't understand the thermodynamics involved.  SMACK!
> Ya think there could have been a little rivalry among engine luminaries?
>
> Rob
>

Just been talking to our local Renault dealer about replacing our
present van. It will be 3 yrs old in September, probably done
150,000miles or so and we are gradually reducing the van replacement
time cycle so that we eventually run under the 3-year warranty.

The 140hp 2.5 turbo engine is now 150hp, same size engine, but the
other bits are much the same. Getting a quote tomorrow, delivery will
be September anyway.

Can't remember what Audi and BMW get out of their car diesels, but the
2.5litre Renault van engine is a real gem. I believe that we can get
it upped to 220HP with a chip remapping, but likely that would hurt
the reliability (and warranty!) Best one we have ever had in the UK so
far.



Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun  6 13:35:05 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com>
	<6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2023.165.206.180.53.1181162105.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Note on gas engines, they have INCREASED compression ratios and are using
fast burn chambers.
Remember the compression ratios of the 60's and early 70's were in the
10:1 and 9:1 range, then dropped to 8:1 in the green decades - they are
back up.
Wonder why??
Fast burn, high compression, more effecient, less ping the faster you burn
it, racers know more compression means more power and more effeciency.

So what's the difference between our 90 year old H n M engines and the
newer engines that lock out certain valves when the power isn't needed?
GM stated it was "new technology" when they started using it. Tell that to
the folks at Hercules or Waterloo, etc. - s'pose they are rolling in their
graves? (about 500 rpm when needed, I guess)

Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.

I hear the diesel used in the Jeep Liberty is pretty decent - that what do
they call it, rail system, whatever...

Bill

> On 06/06/07, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
>> > I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is
>> > the way
>> > to go for now.
>>
>> Diesel is always the way to go, as higher compression ratio equals
>> higher efficiency.  Dugald Clerk wrote about it more than one hundred
>> years ago.  Clerk actually stated in one of his books that although
>> Diesel was on the right track by experimenting with high compression
>> engines, Diesel still didn't know WHY high compression was better,
>> and that he didn't understand the thermodynamics involved.  SMACK!
>> Ya think there could have been a little rivalry among engine luminaries?
>>
>> Rob
>>
>
> Just been talking to our local Renault dealer about replacing our
> present van. It will be 3 yrs old in September, probably done
> 150,000miles or so and we are gradually reducing the van replacement
> time cycle so that we eventually run under the 3-year warranty.
>
> The 140hp 2.5 turbo engine is now 150hp, same size engine, but the
> other bits are much the same. Getting a quote tomorrow, delivery will
> be September anyway.
>
> Can't remember what Audi and BMW get out of their car diesels, but the
> 2.5litre Renault van engine is a real gem. I believe that we can get
> it upped to 220HP with a chip remapping, but likely that would hurt
> the reliability (and warranty!) Best one we have ever had in the UK so
> far.
>
>
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jun  6 16:05:31 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:05:31 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net><1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech><0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net><8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com><6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com><6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<2023.165.206.180.53.1181162105.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <000801c7a88f$33ac2d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Well welcome to Diesel Land !This country has been using the technology for
bloody years .Drive down the main street of any Australian country town and 
you would
see plenty of  them .The latest Common Rail engines are as drivable as your
petrol engined models.
3 litre turbo charged ,
110 Kw,
314 Nm of torque,
Economy...9.8 Litres /100Km,
Towing capacity...3000Kg  [that's 3 Tons for the uninformed],
I am happy with that and it runs on Bio Diesel!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs


> Note on gas engines, they have INCREASED compression ratios and are using
> fast burn chambers.
> Remember the compression ratios of the 60's and early 70's were in the
> 10:1 and 9:1 range, then dropped to 8:1 in the green decades - they are
> back up.
> Wonder why??
> Fast burn, high compression, more effecient, less ping the faster you burn
> it, racers know more compression means more power and more effeciency.
>
> So what's the difference between our 90 year old H n M engines and the
> newer engines that lock out certain valves when the power isn't needed?
> GM stated it was "new technology" when they started using it. Tell that to
> the folks at Hercules or Waterloo, etc. - s'pose they are rolling in their
> graves? (about 500 rpm when needed, I guess)
>
> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>
> I hear the diesel used in the Jeep Liberty is pretty decent - that what do
> they call it, rail system, whatever...
>
> Bill
>
>> On 06/06/07, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
>>> > I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is
>>> > the way
>>> > to go for now.
>>>
>>> Diesel is always the way to go, as higher compression ratio equals
>>> higher efficiency.  Dugald Clerk wrote about it more than one hundred
>>> years ago.  Clerk actually stated in one of his books that although
>>> Diesel was on the right track by experimenting with high compression
>>> engines, Diesel still didn't know WHY high compression was better,
>>> and that he didn't understand the thermodynamics involved.  SMACK!
>>> Ya think there could have been a little rivalry among engine luminaries?
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>
>> Just been talking to our local Renault dealer about replacing our
>> present van. It will be 3 yrs old in September, probably done
>> 150,000miles or so and we are gradually reducing the van replacement
>> time cycle so that we eventually run under the 3-year warranty.
>>
>> The 140hp 2.5 turbo engine is now 150hp, same size engine, but the
>> other bits are much the same. Getting a quote tomorrow, delivery will
>> be September anyway.
>>
>> Can't remember what Audi and BMW get out of their car diesels, but the
>> 2.5litre Renault van engine is a real gem. I believe that we can get
>> it upped to 220HP with a chip remapping, but likely that would hurt
>> the reliability (and warranty!) Best one we have ever had in the UK so
>> far.
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter
>> --
>> Peter A Forbes
>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
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>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jun  6 16:46:37 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:46:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] What Do These Names Have in Common?
Message-ID: <c78.14a2a357.3398a15d@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/5/2007 9:54:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Vivas1993 at aol.com writes:

You know the right answer is engines built in Butler Co. PA 

And here I was raised in Butler till my teens and did not know that!  Glad to 
learn something new today!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jun  6 16:57:02 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:57:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
Message-ID: <d11.c19ed8d.3398a3ce@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/6/2007 12:32:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

and the two French companies, Renault and Peugeot.

 
In the younger years, I owned three Renault Daulphines, 40 hp, 4 speed, got 
40 mpg all day long!!  Wish I had a few of them now.  
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From JR504 at aol.com  Wed Jun  6 17:01:47 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:01:47 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
Message-ID: <d33.e4f3e97.3398a4eb@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/6/2007 4:37:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

Note on  gas engines, they have INCREASED compression ratios and are using
fast burn  chambers.
Remember the compression ratios of the 60's and early 70's were  in the
10:1 and 9:1 range, then dropped to 8:1 in the green decades - they  are
back up.
Wonder why??



The major reason compression ratios increased a few years back was that the  
EPA was focusing on cold start hydrocarbons.  I forget the exact numbers  they 
were quoting, but I remember them saying that cars released more raw  
hydrocarbons out the tailpipe in the first few miles (before the catalytic  converter 
was lit) than they did in the next 50 miles of driving...or something  like 
that.  They were looking at all kinds of solutions like heated  catalytic 
converters.  These things had electric heater grids that would  heat them to 
operating temps before the driver could start the car.  They  also looked at 
hydrocarbon absorbers like the ones Toyota used on their hybrids  for a few years.  
Eventually they settled on bumping the compression ratios  to get the cold 
start hydrocarbons in line, and then feeding the engines  increased EGR gasses to 
deal with the increased NOx emissions caused by the  higher combustion temps.  
Joe Rappa
Mexico, NY



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From kimmell at verizon.net  Wed Jun  6 18:22:50 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:22:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <ED52BA0E-71E5-4A5F-B27E-0C81CC258AFF@rustyiron.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
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At 10:55 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
> > I run my VW Jetta diesel on used motor oil (or used cooking oil) and
> > get 43 MPG.
>
>I'm curious about this. What do you do to turn the used oil into
>usable fuel.  Cost of raw materials?  Man hours?
>
>Thanks,
>Rob

Rob,
This is still an experimental project.  I've successfully run it on 
pure motor oil in a temporary boat tank setup in the car.  I have a 
couple 55 gallon drums that I am going to setup as a filter 
station.  I will have a Frantz bypass oil filter unit setup between 
the 2 drums (remember the old oil filters that used a roll of 
TP?  Same thing).  I get used oil 50 gallons at a time from the shop 
at work.  Dump the dirty oil in one drum and plug in the pump.  After 
about 10-15 hours all the oil will have been filtered down below 1 
micron and transferred over to the other drum.  The second drum will 
have a hand crank bung pump to transfer it to whatever tank setup I 
put in the car.  I will probably use a 10-15 gallon auxiliary tank 
mounted in the trunk and plumbed into the system with a tank transfer 
switch from a dual tank pickup truck.

Cold starting will be done on regular diesel and switched over to oil 
once warmed up for a few minutes to prevent coking in the 
cylinders.  In cold weather I'll probably have to cut it with 30-40% 
diesel or kerosene.  That 15w40 diesel oil gets pretty thick.

The above setup will work with pure veggie oil too, but you really 
wouldn't have to filter it as much as I filter my motor oil.  the 
veggie oil hasn't been through the crankcase of a Detroit Diesel for 
15,000 miles...

-Tony



From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jun  6 18:09:50 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:09:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <2023.165.206.180.53.1181162105.squirrel@www.antique-engine s.com>
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>Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>Bil

Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would 
burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
         Dave
PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jun  6 18:56:24 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:56:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <0JJ800HEFRV4JEUI@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
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Tony,
    I've thought about a similar set up.  I used to have a couple of 
Isuzu Pup diesel pickups.  Wished I still did.  I could get about 38 MPG 
on one of them and about 35 on the other.  If I still had them I'd give 
the waste oil a try.  I know the filtration system will work as there 
are filter systems that some over the road truckers are using that 
allows 50K plus miles between changes.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>At 10:55 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
>  
>
>>>I run my VW Jetta diesel on used motor oil (or used cooking oil) and
>>>get 43 MPG.
>>>      
>>>
>>I'm curious about this. What do you do to turn the used oil into
>>usable fuel.  Cost of raw materials?  Man hours?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Rob
>>    
>>
>
>Rob,
>This is still an experimental project.  I've successfully run it on 
>pure motor oil in a temporary boat tank setup in the car.  I have a 
>couple 55 gallon drums that I am going to setup as a filter 
>station.  I will have a Frantz bypass oil filter unit setup between 
>the 2 drums (remember the old oil filters that used a roll of 
>TP?  Same thing).  I get used oil 50 gallons at a time from the shop 
>at work.  Dump the dirty oil in one drum and plug in the pump.  After 
>about 10-15 hours all the oil will have been filtered down below 1 
>micron and transferred over to the other drum.  The second drum will 
>have a hand crank bung pump to transfer it to whatever tank setup I 
>put in the car.  I will probably use a 10-15 gallon auxiliary tank 
>mounted in the trunk and plumbed into the system with a tank transfer 
>switch from a dual tank pickup truck.
>
>Cold starting will be done on regular diesel and switched over to oil 
>once warmed up for a few minutes to prevent coking in the 
>cylinders.  In cold weather I'll probably have to cut it with 30-40% 
>diesel or kerosene.  That 15w40 diesel oil gets pretty thick.
>
>The above setup will work with pure veggie oil too, but you really 
>wouldn't have to filter it as much as I filter my motor oil.  the 
>veggie oil hasn't been through the crankcase of a Detroit Diesel for 
>15,000 miles...
>
>-Tony
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>




From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Wed Jun  6 21:26:11 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:26:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070606200607.01f2fd78@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <C28CD6F3.1C34A%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
-- 
Kelley



On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

> 
>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>> Bil
> 
> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would
> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>          Dave
> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
> 
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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  7 03:08:33 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 03:08:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7a838$abe51320$d4ee683a@Edd>
Message-ID: <565589.48337.qm@web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Edd

I will try Greg again but I originally ordered one
from him 5 years ago and after 2 years of asking I
gave up.

what a way to run a business.

Kerry

PS. coming through Wednesday on way home from Moree so
hope to see you again



> Hi Kerry.I got one from Greg McNeice at rally
> badges.
> EDD PAYNE



       
____________________________________________________________________________________
Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. 
http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Jun  7 06:45:34 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:45:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160706060931w69409b9cs90fa9eb3ff5079cc@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
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Peter i can agree with you 100%. I have a friend that has a truck 
with a Renault engine. It is a Mack truck 32000 gross he hauls logs 
with it. He tells me he can average 15 mpg with it. Can't say that 
about any thing built in the states.
R Fink
PA




At 05:31 PM 6/6/2007 +0100, you wrote:
>On 06/06/07, P. Johns <enginepaul at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I said before that a friend - who knows his stuff - says diesel is the way
> > to go for now. More efficient diesel engines can be developed now and we
> > don't have to wait years for dream terminology and all the unknowns to come
> > on-line.
> >
>
>GM and Ford both have European companies with highly efficient
>diesels, why they don't introduce them to the USA I have no idea.
>
>Take also the companies like Isuzu, who have a fine range of diesel
>engines, and the two French companies, Renault and Peugeot. All these
>have decent high-output car and truck engines, and at the very top end
>you have Volvo and Scania with up to 550hp truck diesel engines.
>
>Cummins is playing a little catch-up on technology, but they will get there.
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Jun  7 06:53:32 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:53:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <2023.165.206.180.53.1181162105.squirrel@www.antique-engine s.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
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	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
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	<6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com>
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	<2023.165.206.180.53.1181162105.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <20070607105408.052AF22800A@md5.pennswoods.net>

Bill don't know anything about the Jeep diesel but did read an 
article that MOPAR was going to drop it. Could not meet emission requirements.
But they can build 100,000 cars that most likely pollute more.GO Figure
R Fink


At 01:35 PM 6/6/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>Note on gas engines, they have INCREASED compression ratios and are using
>fast burn chambers.
>Remember the compression ratios of the 60's and early 70's were in the
>10:1 and 9:1 range, then dropped to 8:1 in the green decades - they are
>back up.
>Wonder why??
>Fast burn, high compression, more effecient, less ping the faster you burn
>it, racers know more compression means more power and more effeciency.
>
>So what's the difference between our 90 year old H n M engines and the
>newer engines that lock out certain valves when the power isn't needed?
>GM stated it was "new technology" when they started using it. Tell that to
>the folks at Hercules or Waterloo, etc. - s'pose they are rolling in their
>graves? (about 500 rpm when needed, I guess)
>
>Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>
>I hear the diesel used in the Jeep Liberty is pretty decent - that what do
>they call it, rail system, whatever...
>
>Bill
>
> >




From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Jun  7 07:03:34 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:03:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070606200607.01f2fd78@mail.alltel.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
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Well if we must BRAG my wife drives Subru [has for years] have not 
seen anything less than 23 MPG country driving. 30 plus out on the 
road. We don't care if it is a Hummer or a VW bug status don't mean 
much as long as it gets there and back CHEAP for 5 years or so.
I like my truck at 5-10 MPG hauls 4 ton a lot easier.
R Fink


At 08:09 PM 6/6/2007 -0500, you wrote:

> >Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
> >cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
> >And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
> >Bil
>
>Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would
>burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>          Dave
>PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From plb at iinet.net.au  Thu Jun  7 04:35:24 2007
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:35:24 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070606200607.01f2fd78@mail.alltel.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>	<8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>	<6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com>	<6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>	<2023.165.206.180.53.1181162105.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
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Message-ID: <002501c7a8f7$f08adf90$d1a09eb0$@net.au>

Maybe you should try giving it a tune up?
Ray Freeman
Perth WA


Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would 
burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
         Dave
PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jun  7 02:39:24 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:39:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <C28CD6F3.1C34A%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070606200607.01f2fd78@mail.alltel.net>
	<C28CD6F3.1C34A%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070607043833.01c01258@mail.alltel.net>

Point well taken. I withdraw my offer!
         Dave

At 11:26 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
>--
>Kelley
>
>
>
>On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
> >> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
> >> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
> >> Bil
> >
> > Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would
> > burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
> >          Dave
> > PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 04:41:42 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 04:41:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <d33.e4f3e97.3398a4eb@aol.com>
References: <d33.e4f3e97.3398a4eb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3281.165.206.180.53.1181216502.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

>>and then feeding the engines  increased EGR gasses to
deal with the increased NOx emissions caused by the  higher combustion
temps. <<

Large quench areas are also a cause of NOX. So to reduce NOX emissions,
they had to find a way to minimize quench. do that and you have detonation
issues, melted pistons due to reduced or removed boundry layer, etc. To
offset that, the fastburn chamber was designed.
Like I say, racers have known for years you need higher compression and
faster burn for more power AND effeciency.
Cubic inches=power
higher compression ratio=power but more "ping" so you add quench. Add
turbulance to improve and increase burn rates. Flow the heads for power
and effeciency - todays head designs outflow "muscle car" heads that have
been ported and polished.
People cursed the EGR, but it actually is a good thing for your engine as
far as a longer life on engine pushed hard. I know a couple folks who
actually have resurrected their EGR to reduce ping and squeeze a bit more
"life" out of their engines.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
1970 Javelin (originally about 10:1, now about 9.4:1 with step-dish
pistons for more quench and faster burns)
1982 Eagle SX/4
1980 Eagle wagon
http://theamcpages.com

>
> In a message dated 6/6/2007 4:37:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
>
> Note on  gas engines, they have INCREASED compression ratios and are using
> fast burn  chambers.
> Remember the compression ratios of the 60's and early 70's were  in the
> 10:1 and 9:1 range, then dropped to 8:1 in the green decades - they  are
> back up.
> Wonder why??
>
>
>
> The major reason compression ratios increased a few years back was that
> the
> EPA was focusing on cold start hydrocarbons.  I forget the exact numbers
> they
> were quoting, but I remember them saying that cars released more raw
> hydrocarbons out the tailpipe in the first few miles (before the catalytic
>  converter
> was lit) than they did in the next 50 miles of driving...or something
> like
> that.  They were looking at all kinds of solutions like heated  catalytic
> converters.  These things had electric heater grids that would  heat them
> to
> operating temps before the driver could start the car.  They  also looked
> at
> hydrocarbon absorbers like the ones Toyota used on their hybrids  for a
> few years.
> Eventually they settled on bumping the compression ratios  to get the cold
> start hydrocarbons in line, and then feeding the engines  increased EGR
> gasses to
> deal with the increased NOx emissions caused by the  higher combustion
> temps.
> Joe Rappa
> Mexico, NY
>
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 05:06:05 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070606200607.01f2fd78@mail.alltel.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
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Wish we still had our 90 Camaro - fully loaded V8 got 28 mpg on the
Interstate at 65 mph. So what's wrong with cars today that they brag if
they get over 20 mpg? Chevy did it. Chrysler did it with their 318.

Dude - can she do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcXC5IUOdFk

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/mramc1/winter-4.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOhyc4wQ4pI

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/joshpit2003/OffRoad082JPEG.jpg

Let me got my ignitions and fuel mods made and I might have a challange
for you.... esp if I drop the Edelbrock engine in........and still push 30
mpg

OR Mind if I pass your challange to a fellow who goes by the handle of
"hyper-eagle"? He's got a V8 Eagle that I'm afraid would tear that Jag to
shreads not only in speed, but the loads it can pull, river bed mudding,
rock crawling, etc.
So what's sort of times does it run in the 1/4? Are we talking 12's or 13's?
You gotta keep in mind, these Eagle drivetrains will out-pull and out last
any other "car" 4x4 drivetrain - they have Jeep systems under them with a
full cast iron I6 that developes some pretty hefty torqued, especially our
"strokers".


>>Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>>cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>Bil
>
> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would
> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>          Dave
> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 05:07:05 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:07:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <0JJ800HEFRV4JEUI@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
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I thought I heard a local fellow here ran his McDonalds grease through
some sort of a still or something?



 At 10:55 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
>> > I run my VW Jetta diesel on used motor oil (or used cooking oil) and
>> > get 43 MPG.
>>
>>I'm curious about this. What do you do to turn the used oil into
>>usable fuel.  Cost of raw materials?  Man hours?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Rob
>
> Rob,
> This is still an experimental project.  I've successfully run it on
> pure motor oil in a temporary boat tank setup in the car.  I have a
> couple 55 gallon drums that I am going to setup as a filter
> station.  I will have a Frantz bypass oil filter unit setup between
> the 2 drums (remember the old oil filters that used a roll of
> TP?  Same thing).  I get used oil 50 gallons at a time from the shop
> at work.  Dump the dirty oil in one drum and plug in the pump.  After
> about 10-15 hours all the oil will have been filtered down below 1
> micron and transferred over to the other drum.  The second drum will
> have a hand crank bung pump to transfer it to whatever tank setup I
> put in the car.  I will probably use a 10-15 gallon auxiliary tank
> mounted in the trunk and plumbed into the system with a tank transfer
> switch from a dual tank pickup truck.
>
> Cold starting will be done on regular diesel and switched over to oil
> once warmed up for a few minutes to prevent coking in the
> cylinders.  In cold weather I'll probably have to cut it with 30-40%
> diesel or kerosene.  That 15w40 diesel oil gets pretty thick.
>
> The above setup will work with pure veggie oil too, but you really
> wouldn't have to filter it as much as I filter my motor oil.  the
> veggie oil hasn't been through the crankcase of a Detroit Diesel for
> 15,000 miles...
>
> -Tony
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 05:14:07 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:14:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <C28CD6F3.1C34A%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <C28CD6F3.1C34A%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <3509.165.206.180.53.1181218447.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Because my AMCs will outlast his Jag.............. how many of those will
be around in 37 years (my Jav with 350 hp), or even 27 years (the Eagles,
rust-free) and can still buy off-the-shelf parts for them from Jeep
dealers.

So they were 20+ years ahead of their time, and most of what Chrysler did
in the 90's, even through to today, was already on the AMC tables when
they took over. The Magnum engines, for example, the "cab-forward" design,
etc., all AMC designs. One of the main reasons for the take-over was
Chrysler needed ideas, wasn't able to come up with anything really new, so
they bought AMC for their ideas, designs and technology, much of which has
been released over the last decade. AMC designers worked on Jeep and Dodge
truck designs for years after '87.
Much of what AMC had in the design room was too far ahead of time and
consumers wouldn't buy it back then, but will now.

Compare their ideas and designs of the 70's/80's to today's cars - and see
how many matches you can find.  Do some patent searches.......

> But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
> --
> Kelley
>
>
>
> On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>> Bil
>>
>> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would
>> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>>          Dave
>> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 05:16:14 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:16:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <20070607105408.052AF22800A@md5.pennswoods.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
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Real logic!
With pickup sales at what, roughly 54 percent of all auto sales now, do
emissions figures even count any more?

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4
1980 Eagle wagon
http://theamcpages.com

> Bill don't know anything about the Jeep diesel but did read an
> article that MOPAR was going to drop it. Could not meet emission
> requirements.
> But they can build 100,000 cars that most likely pollute more.GO Figure
> R Fink
>
>
> At 01:35 PM 6/6/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>>Note on gas engines, they have INCREASED compression ratios and are using
>>fast burn chambers.
>>Remember the compression ratios of the 60's and early 70's were in the
>>10:1 and 9:1 range, then dropped to 8:1 in the green decades - they are
>>back up.
>>Wonder why??
>>Fast burn, high compression, more effecient, less ping the faster you
>> burn
>>it, racers know more compression means more power and more effeciency.
>>
>>So what's the difference between our 90 year old H n M engines and the
>>newer engines that lock out certain valves when the power isn't needed?
>>GM stated it was "new technology" when they started using it. Tell that
>> to
>>the folks at Hercules or Waterloo, etc. - s'pose they are rolling in
>> their
>>graves? (about 500 rpm when needed, I guess)
>>
>>Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>>cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>
>>I hear the diesel used in the Jeep Liberty is pretty decent - that what
>> do
>>they call it, rail system, whatever...
>>
>>Bill
>>
>> >
>
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Jun  7 01:52:47 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:52:47 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial No.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070607104151.00b11c00@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Can anyone please tell me where to look for the serial number on 
an 8/9 H.P. Fairbanks Morse Style C.
         Also, is there a downloadable manual out there anywhere?
Many thanks

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Thu Jun  7 05:38:51 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:38:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral Name Plate
References: <565589.48337.qm@web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7a900$cde0bba0$d4ee683a@Edd>

Should be home mate!!!Will be great to see you.You can get your Mogul book.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry Morris" <ozhornsby at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral Name Plate


> Thanks Edd
>
> I will try Greg again but I originally ordered one
> from him 5 years ago and after 2 years of asking I
> gave up.
>
> what a way to run a business.
>
> Kerry
>
> PS. coming through Wednesday on way home from Moree so
> hope to see you again
>
>
>
>> Hi Kerry.I got one from Greg McNeice at rally
>> badges.
>> EDD PAYNE
>
>
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 06:53:55 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:53:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <20070607104613.9F21C228438@md5.pennswoods.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
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On 07/06/07, Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote:
> Peter i can agree with you 100%. I have a friend that has a truck
> with a Renault engine. It is a Mack truck 32000 gross he hauls logs
> with it. He tells me he can average 15 mpg with it. Can't say that
> about any thing built in the states.
> R Fink
> PA
>

I had an interesting chat with the van sales guy at Kettering this
morning. The 2.5litre 140hp engine is now 150hp, but it is not in the
sales brochure any more. Renault are asking their sales people to make
sure that the engine is only sold to users who cover regular medium to
high mileages.

Seems that the engine is loaded with particulate filters that have to
be kept clean by running at full temperature, so to avoid problems
with drivers who go round town all day, they are pushing a lower
output engine (2 litre 115bhp)

Also, and this bit hurts high-mileage folks like us, the service
interval has come down from 18000 miles to 9000 miles, a very
retrograde step.

The van we bought 2-1/2 years ago is now ?3000 dearer, needs twice the
servicing and has 10bhp extra....

We are now looking for a low-mileage used version of the existing van!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Thu Jun  7 07:43:31 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:43:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <3509.165.206.180.53.1181218447.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

  Ahead of their time in design??  You mean like the Pacer and the
Gremlin???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Gremlin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Pacer

BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!

Party on, Dude
http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/16/pf/autos/pacer_auction/
-- 
See ya,
Kelley



On 6/7/07 5:14 AM, "bill at antique-engines.com" <bill at antique-engines.com>
wrote:

> Because my AMCs will outlast his Jag.............. how many of those will
> be around in 37 years (my Jav with 350 hp), or even 27 years (the Eagles,
> rust-free) and can still buy off-the-shelf parts for them from Jeep
> dealers.
> 
> So they were 20+ years ahead of their time, and most of what Chrysler did
> in the 90's, even through to today, was already on the AMC tables when
> they took over. The Magnum engines, for example, the "cab-forward" design,
> etc., all AMC designs. One of the main reasons for the take-over was
> Chrysler needed ideas, wasn't able to come up with anything really new, so
> they bought AMC for their ideas, designs and technology, much of which has
> been released over the last decade. AMC designers worked on Jeep and Dodge
> truck designs for years after '87.
> Much of what AMC had in the design room was too far ahead of time and
> consumers wouldn't buy it back then, but will now.
> 
> Compare their ideas and designs of the 70's/80's to today's cars - and see
> how many matches you can find.  Do some patent searches.......
> 
>> But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
>> --
>> Kelley
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle, the
>>>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>>> Bil
>>> 
>>> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and would
>>> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>>>          Dave
>>> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>>> 
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 08:49:08 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4394.165.206.180.53.1181231348.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end. There
is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!
Com'on, look at their profiles! No one can sit straight-faced and tell me
many of the current cars didn't take some of their design and appearance
from the 70's, many from the very popular Gremlin and Hornet designs,
which was one of the most successful body styles in history.
And the Pacer? What about Taurus and the full-sized Chevy wagon  - talk
about "bubble cars".  The  Pacer didn't go well because GM didn't follow
through on their rotary engine, and AMC had to go back to the drawing
board and shoe-horn in a long I6.
Interesting also is the fact that AMC of that era are the most popular
demolition derby cars because as the demo-derby folks say, they hold up
better! Interesting....... check out the demo-derby sites/forums.
The AMC I6 was the most successful 6 cylinder engine design as well. Look
at how many engines were based on the basic design. the 199, 232, 258 and
ever-popular 242 (4.0 liter) Jeep engine.
That engine was only recently retired due to issues with the stuff that
had been used to make that engine - the tooling and such was worn out and
it was too expensive to re-do it when they were attempting to also put out
newer designs. Otherwise, it would probably still be going strong.
Few 6's were so strong or lasted so long. Jeepers love 'em, hard to kill
them.

Vehicles very much like the Gremlin and Eagle are selling well today.
And Gremlins are actually "chick magnets" out east. Young fellows say the
girls think they are "cool".
A Gremlin was the national wheel-standing championship winner a few years
back.

Oh - beware of the so-called "wikipedia" as we have found nearly as much
mis-information in that thing as fact. And we've got documents to prove
it.
(plus the word of some of the original designers, etc.)

We've also found them to be factually inaccurate in a lot of non-auto
related things, too. Well, when you allow anyone and their cousin with a
2nd grade education to put in "facts" in that thing, well....... too few
question it.

With a little time, I may be able to get you some solid examples of where
their "facts" are far from that.

Intrepid, Stratus, etc. are all pretty much AMC designs yet kept Chrysler
alive for a little longer.

If they had the cash needed, the AMX3 would have been one of the hottest
cars ever. Very advanced designs for the times, and there were two
companies over-seas clamoring for the rights to build them for Eurpoean
sales.
I know a fellow who just bought one of the original prototypes. A couple
still exist.

How about the AMC TransAm wins with the Javelin?

The "gas crisis" of the 70's dealt them a heavy blow as did the death of
the president of Renault.

>   Ahead of their time in design??  You mean like the Pacer and the
> Gremlin???
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Gremlin
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Pacer
>
> BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!
>
> Party on, Dude
> http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/16/pf/autos/pacer_auction/
> --
> See ya,
> Kelley
>
>
>
> On 6/7/07 5:14 AM, "bill at antique-engines.com" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Because my AMCs will outlast his Jag.............. how many of those
>> will
>> be around in 37 years (my Jav with 350 hp), or even 27 years (the
>> Eagles,
>> rust-free) and can still buy off-the-shelf parts for them from Jeep
>> dealers.
>>
>> So they were 20+ years ahead of their time, and most of what Chrysler
>> did
>> in the 90's, even through to today, was already on the AMC tables when
>> they took over. The Magnum engines, for example, the "cab-forward"
>> design,
>> etc., all AMC designs. One of the main reasons for the take-over was
>> Chrysler needed ideas, wasn't able to come up with anything really new,
>> so
>> they bought AMC for their ideas, designs and technology, much of which
>> has
>> been released over the last decade. AMC designers worked on Jeep and
>> Dodge
>> truck designs for years after '87.
>> Much of what AMC had in the design room was too far ahead of time and
>> consumers wouldn't buy it back then, but will now.
>>
>> Compare their ideas and designs of the 70's/80's to today's cars - and
>> see
>> how many matches you can find.  Do some patent searches.......
>>
>>> But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
>>> --
>>> Kelley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle,
>>>>> the
>>>>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>>>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>>>> Bil
>>>>
>>>> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and
>>>> would
>>>> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>>>>          Dave
>>>> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>>>>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jun  7 09:45:58 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:45:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
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Methinks he doth protest too much....

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end. There
> is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jun  7 08:58:47 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:58:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
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On Jun 7, 2007, at 7:43 AM, Kelley Garcia wrote:

>   Ahead of their time in design??  You mean like the Pacer and the
> Gremlin???
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Gremlin
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Pacer
>
> BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!
>
> Party on, Dude
> http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/16/pf/autos/pacer_auction/
> -- 
> See ya,
> Kelley


Come on, now!  Give him back his balls and play nice.






From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 09:09:33 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:09:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
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Yes - how many years was it before other car companies started
mass-producing 4x4 cars?

>From an Italian 4x4 web site:

American Motors introduced the innovative Eagle for the 1980 model year.
This was the world's first complete line (sedan, coupe, and station wagon)
of permanent automatic all-wheel drive passenger models. The new Eagles
combined Jeep technology with an existing and proven AMC passenger car
platform. They ushered a whole new product category of "sport-utility" or
Crossover SUV. AMC's Eagles came with the comfort and high level
appointments expected of regular passenger models and used the off-road
technology for an extra margin of safety and traction.

The Eagle's thick viscous fluid central differential provided quiet and
smooth transfer of power that was directed proportionally to the axle with
the greatest traction. This was a true full-time system operating only in
four-wheel drive without undue wear on suspension or driveline components.
There was no low range in the transfer case. This became the forerunner of
the designs that followed from other manufacturers. The automobile press
at the time tested the traction of the Eagles and described it as far
superior to the Subaru's and that it could beat many so-called off-road
vehicles. Four Wheeler magazine concluded that the AMC Eagle was "The
beginning of a new generation of cars."

The Eagles were popular (particularly in the snowbelt), had towing
capacity, and came in several equipment levels including sport and luxury
trims. Two additional models were added in 1981, the sub-compact SX/4 and
Kammback. A manual transmission and a front axle-disconnect feature were
also made available for greater fuel economy. During 1981 and 1982 a
unique convertible was added to the line. The Eagle's monocoque body was
reinforced for the conversion and had a steel targa bar with a removable
fiberglass roof section.
------------------------------------------
>From AMC historians:
AMC's chief Jeep engineer, Roy C. Lunn, began tinkering with a car based
four wheel drive set-up during 1972 3 years prior to Subaru's introduction
of its simplistic part-time 4wd system in 1975. Mr. Lunn felt that if
anyone was going to market a true full-time 4WD car it should be AMC who
had purchased Jeep in 1970. Contrary to what many believe, Mr. Lunn did
not intend to use much of the Jeep 4WD technology of the time in a car as
he felt it lacked the refinement needed for automotive use. In 1972 AMC's
Jeep Engineering department modified a 1972 Hornet into a all-wheel drive
car utilizing a specially contstructed "QT 1" straight thur drive transfer
case; a frame mounted Warner Gear Front axle; and Dana constant velocity
drive shafts. The finished prototype proved successful during subsequent
testing. However, gasoline shortages of the time precluded putting the car
into production (the whereabouts of this prototype is unknown). Retired
AMC chairman Gerry Meyers adds what his thoughts were when the prototype
was shown to AMC execs, "Our initial reaction to Lunn's concoction was,
'What the hell is it?"

In December 1976 and January 1977 the idea was revisited with the advent
of the viscous coupled transfer case recently developed by British based
FF Development. In February of 1977 a 1977 Hornet was shipped to England
to be reengineerd into a full-time four wheel drive car. Total development
cost for this (less the price of the car) was only $34,000! The finished
car was returned to the U.S. on June 15th of 1977. The production project
proposal to AMC execs was in their hands only two weeks later with
production scheduled to begin at the beginning of the 1980 model year.

Meyers, went on to say this took place in 1978, "After the Pacer, we were
looking for something fresh and cheap to produce. We had given up on
automobiles, and all of our creative efforts were focused on Jeep. So Dick
Teague [AMC design chief] took Lunn's 4WD car into the studio to improve
the cosmetics by adding plastic skirts around the wheel wells. With the
appearance issue solved, producing the Eagle was a no-brainer. We were so
hungry for something different that we didn't bother with market
research,"

Myers continues. "It was, for all intents, a no-cost experiment (AMC
needed to only sell 15,000 Eagles to recoup all develompent costs) that
began with three Concord body styles in 1980 and continued with two more
Spirit-based models in 1981. Sales were sufficient to make us glad we
built the Eagles, and our dealers -- especially those in Colorado and New
England -- were thrilled to have these unique products."

Lunn intitially chose the New Process (later New Venture) model 119
transfer case whose limited-slip function was provided by a viscous
coupling. This silicone-filled device provided controlled slippage for
smooth, dry-pavement cornering with the automatic locking necessary for
low-traction conditions. Lunn's other special feature was the Eagle's
independent front suspension, achieved by mounting the front differential
to the engine block and providing drive to the wheels via universal joints
and half shafts.

When the Eagle was introduced to the press this observation was made by
Popular Science writer Ed Jacobs in a 1979 article from the same magazine
wrote, " This new flock of off-road vehicles is designed for people who
want the all weather traction and safety of four wheel drives, but don't
like the truck-like four wheelers currently on the market. They ride about
as comfortably and handle about as well as any other cars their size on
the road. Off road they behave more like mountan goats as do their truck
like Jeep cousins."

AMC also owned a successful plastics division (I believe they sold to
Shell) and Wheel Horse products which sold to Toro. AM General was sold to
GM.

And if they are not popular, why are many companies getting BACK into
producing parts for these cars? I can buy NEW replacement parts for a
number of AMC cars now. Their auction prices are climbing quickly.
Ford and Chevy guys are now starting to buy them up. (making it harder for
US to get them) Reasons being "cool body styles" "solid designs" "clean
lines", etc.
Magazines of the times called the Javelin lines "cleaner, crisper and less
cluttered than Mustang".
Do take another look at some of the modern SUVs and it's pretty easy to
see where the styles came from. check out the names, too! Come on, Rogue,
SX4, Hornet, get real!

>   Ahead of their time in design??  You mean like the Pacer and the
> Gremlin???
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Gremlin
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Pacer
>
> BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!
>
> Party on, Dude
> http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/16/pf/autos/pacer_auction/
> --
> See ya,
> Kelley
>
>
>
> On 6/7/07 5:14 AM, "bill at antique-engines.com" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Because my AMCs will outlast his Jag.............. how many of those
>> will
>> be around in 37 years (my Jav with 350 hp), or even 27 years (the
>> Eagles,
>> rust-free) and can still buy off-the-shelf parts for them from Jeep
>> dealers.
>>
>> So they were 20+ years ahead of their time, and most of what Chrysler
>> did
>> in the 90's, even through to today, was already on the AMC tables when
>> they took over. The Magnum engines, for example, the "cab-forward"
>> design,
>> etc., all AMC designs. One of the main reasons for the take-over was
>> Chrysler needed ideas, wasn't able to come up with anything really new,
>> so
>> they bought AMC for their ideas, designs and technology, much of which
>> has
>> been released over the last decade. AMC designers worked on Jeep and
>> Dodge
>> truck designs for years after '87.
>> Much of what AMC had in the design room was too far ahead of time and
>> consumers wouldn't buy it back then, but will now.
>>
>> Compare their ideas and designs of the 70's/80's to today's cars - and
>> see
>> how many matches you can find.  Do some patent searches.......
>>
>>> But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
>>> --
>>> Kelley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle,
>>>>> the
>>>>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>>>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>>>> Bil
>>>>
>>>> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and
>>>> would
>>>> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>>>>          Dave
>>>> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 09:10:42 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:10:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
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It's just hard to get past old prejudgices........... and people who got
their facts from people who had no clue..


> Methinks he doth protest too much....
>
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>
>> Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end.
>> There
>> is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!
>
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Thu Jun  7 09:10:52 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:10:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <4394.165.206.180.53.1181231348.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
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Oh Bill, I couldn't continue reading your email - the tears in my eyes are
blurring my vision!
I really lost it after this bit
> Vehicles very much like the Gremlin and Eagle are selling well today.
> And Gremlins are actually "chick magnets" out east. Young fellows say the
> girls think they are "cool".

Must have something to do with their slogan
?You only ride like a Pacer if you?re wide like a Pacer?
http://www.sportscarmarket.com/affordable-classics/2005-January/1975-1980-am
c-pacer.html

BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!
Thank you for my morning funnies!
-- 
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, Ka.
USA



On 6/7/07 8:49 AM, "bill at antique-engines.com" <bill at antique-engines.com>
wrote:

> Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end. There
> is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!
> Com'on, look at their profiles! No one can sit straight-faced and tell me
> many of the current cars didn't take some of their design and appearance
> from the 70's, many from the very popular Gremlin and Hornet designs,
> which was one of the most successful body styles in history.
> And the Pacer? What about Taurus and the full-sized Chevy wagon  - talk
> about "bubble cars".  The  Pacer didn't go well because GM didn't follow
> through on their rotary engine, and AMC had to go back to the drawing
> board and shoe-horn in a long I6.
> Interesting also is the fact that AMC of that era are the most popular
> demolition derby cars because as the demo-derby folks say, they hold up
> better! Interesting....... check out the demo-derby sites/forums.
> The AMC I6 was the most successful 6 cylinder engine design as well. Look
> at how many engines were based on the basic design. the 199, 232, 258 and
> ever-popular 242 (4.0 liter) Jeep engine.
> That engine was only recently retired due to issues with the stuff that
> had been used to make that engine - the tooling and such was worn out and
> it was too expensive to re-do it when they were attempting to also put out
> newer designs. Otherwise, it would probably still be going strong.
> Few 6's were so strong or lasted so long. Jeepers love 'em, hard to kill
> them.
> 
> Vehicles very much like the Gremlin and Eagle are selling well today.
> And Gremlins are actually "chick magnets" out east. Young fellows say the
> girls think they are "cool".
> A Gremlin was the national wheel-standing championship winner a few years
> back.
> 
> Oh - beware of the so-called "wikipedia" as we have found nearly as much
> mis-information in that thing as fact. And we've got documents to prove
> it.
> (plus the word of some of the original designers, etc.)
> 
> We've also found them to be factually inaccurate in a lot of non-auto
> related things, too. Well, when you allow anyone and their cousin with a
> 2nd grade education to put in "facts" in that thing, well....... too few
> question it.
> 
> With a little time, I may be able to get you some solid examples of where
> their "facts" are far from that.
> 
> Intrepid, Stratus, etc. are all pretty much AMC designs yet kept Chrysler
> alive for a little longer.
> 
> If they had the cash needed, the AMX3 would have been one of the hottest
> cars ever. Very advanced designs for the times, and there were two
> companies over-seas clamoring for the rights to build them for Eurpoean
> sales.
> I know a fellow who just bought one of the original prototypes. A couple
> still exist.
> 
> How about the AMC TransAm wins with the Javelin?
> 
> The "gas crisis" of the 70's dealt them a heavy blow as did the death of
> the president of Renault.
> 
>>   Ahead of their time in design??  You mean like the Pacer and the
>> Gremlin???
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Gremlin
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Pacer
>> 
>> BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!
>> 
>> Party on, Dude
>> http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/16/pf/autos/pacer_auction/
>> --
>> See ya,
>> Kelley
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/7/07 5:14 AM, "bill at antique-engines.com" <bill at antique-engines.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Because my AMCs will outlast his Jag.............. how many of those
>>> will
>>> be around in 37 years (my Jav with 350 hp), or even 27 years (the
>>> Eagles,
>>> rust-free) and can still buy off-the-shelf parts for them from Jeep
>>> dealers.
>>> 
>>> So they were 20+ years ahead of their time, and most of what Chrysler
>>> did
>>> in the 90's, even through to today, was already on the AMC tables when
>>> they took over. The Magnum engines, for example, the "cab-forward"
>>> design,
>>> etc., all AMC designs. One of the main reasons for the take-over was
>>> Chrysler needed ideas, wasn't able to come up with anything really new,
>>> so
>>> they bought AMC for their ideas, designs and technology, much of which
>>> has
>>> been released over the last decade. AMC designers worked on Jeep and
>>> Dodge
>>> truck designs for years after '87.
>>> Much of what AMC had in the design room was too far ahead of time and
>>> consumers wouldn't buy it back then, but will now.
>>> 
>>> Compare their ideas and designs of the 70's/80's to today's cars - and
>>> see
>>> how many matches you can find.  Do some patent searches.......
>>> 
>>>> But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
>>>> --
>>>> Kelley
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>>>>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>>>>> Bil
>>>>> 
>>>>> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and
>>>>> would
>>>>> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>>>>>          Dave
>>>>> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jun  7 11:03:43 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:03:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <C28D7C1C.1C3AD%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
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Hey Kelley,

That Pacer article has a hot blond chick checking out the car pretty hard.
"Hot" that is if you can get past the dead muskrat wrapped around her
neck.

I must confess that this "Gremlin as chick magnet" concept intrigued me.

A quick Google search turned up an interesting hit with that claim.  The
website is that of Dennis the Peasant, which opens with "The experts
describe Dennis as an appallingly dull fellow; unimaginative, timid,
spineless, easily dominated, no sense of humor, tedious company and
irrepressibly drab and awful."

The other hits went downhill from there.  I really don't quite know what
to do with that info....

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:

> Oh Bill, I couldn't continue reading your email - the tears in my eyes are
> blurring my vision!
> I really lost it after this bit
> > Vehicles very much like the Gremlin and Eagle are selling well today.
> > And Gremlins are actually "chick magnets" out east. Young fellows say the
> > girls think they are "cool".
>
> Must have something to do with their slogan
> You only ride like a Pacer if you're wide like a Pacer?
> http://www.sportscarmarket.com/affordable-classics/2005-January/1975-1980-am
> c-pacer.html




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 11:48:34 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:48:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
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On 07/06/07, bill at antique-engines.com <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:

> In December 1976 and January 1977 the idea was revisited with the advent
> of the viscous coupled transfer case recently developed by British based
> FF Development.

'Ferguson Formula' was the FF company, they supplied Jensen with the
transmission for the Interceptor, a very nice car which had the
Chrysler engine in it if my memory serves me correctly. That had
permanent FWD and Dunlop Maxaret anti-skid brakes, one of the earliest
applications for the ABS technology.

The Range Rover was also on the stocks in the early 1970's, V8 engine
and permanent four wheel drive. You can still buy them today, although
owned by Ford these days.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 12:03:25 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:03:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
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We're actually seeing quite a few Rovers around here lately.
Jeeps are still by far the #1 4x4 in this area, no other is even close in
numbers.

Funny, Ford, GM, etc. seem to need to own chunks of all these non-US
companies, what are they trying to do, drag them down with them? ;-)

Thanks for the extra information!!


> On 07/06/07, bill at antique-engines.com <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:
>
>> In December 1976 and January 1977 the idea was revisited with the advent
>> of the viscous coupled transfer case recently developed by British based
>> FF Development.
>
> 'Ferguson Formula' was the FF company, they supplied Jensen with the
> transmission for the Interceptor, a very nice car which had the
> Chrysler engine in it if my memory serves me correctly. That had
> permanent FWD and Dunlop Maxaret anti-skid brakes, one of the earliest
> applications for the ABS technology.
>
> The Range Rover was also on the stocks in the early 1970's, V8 engine
> and permanent four wheel drive. You can still buy them today, although
> owned by Ford these days.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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>



From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Jun  7 17:10:36 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:10:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <3489.165.206.180.53.1181218025.squirrel@www.antique-engine s.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
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Message-ID: <0JJA00GW4J6QF4E9@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

It's a process called 
transesterification. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transesterification  I know you don't 
like Wikipedia, but this topic is correct from all that I see 
(although I'm no chemist).

The addition of methanol and lye produce the reaction and create 
biodiesel.  Basically it turns the thick oil into a thin liquid of 
about the same consistency as diesel fuel, that will run in ANY 
diesel engine without modifications.  Although cars older than the 
early 90's will probably have natural rubber fuel lines that will 
need to be replaced with newer synthetic hoses.  Biodiesel will eat 
through natural rubber in short order.  You also should remove your 
fuel tank and clean it out REALLY good, because if you don't, the 
biodiesel will clean it out FOR you, leading to clogged fuel filters 
and all kinds of fun.  Biodiesel is an excellent solvent (I want to 
see someone try it to unstick a piston in an old engine).

Vegetable oil works perfectly well without putting it through the 
above process, but you have to filter it well and make sure all 
moisture is removed before using it.  Most guys will run a heater 
hose back to their veggie oil tank with some kind of heat-exchanger 
to heat the fuel (usually just wrapping it around the tank a few 
times).  The engines are started and warmed up on regular 
diesel.  Once the engine is warm and the coolant has heated the 
veggie oil, it is switched over.

I'll most likely have to have a similar setup with my waste oil 
burner.  I'll probably go with some type of in-tank heater.  One that 
can be wired to operate with the block heater circuit, as well as 
running off the car's 12 volt supply while driving.

-Tony


At 07:07 AM 6/7/2007, you wrote:
>I thought I heard a local fellow here ran his McDonalds grease through
>some sort of a still or something?




From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Jun  7 17:26:00 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:26:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <4394.165.206.180.53.1181231348.squirrel@www.antique-engine s.com>
References: <C28D67A3.1C393%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<4394.165.206.180.53.1181231348.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <0JJA004DKJWFCXEB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

At 10:49 AM 6/7/2007, you wrote:
>Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end. There
>is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!
>Com'on, look at their profiles! No one can sit straight-faced and tell me
>many of the current cars didn't take some of their design and appearance
>from the 70's, many from the very popular Gremlin and Hornet designs,
>which was one of the most successful body styles in history.

I think I'd rather have a Gremlin or Pacer than some of the fugly 
ca-ca they are making these days.  Chevy Avalanche, Pontiac Aztec, etc.

Not to mention ALL the mid-size SUV's made by ANY manufaturer.  Ever 
seen one of those Scion's that looks like a brick on wheels?  Or the 
Honda Element or Pilot?  How about Dodge's new Nitro (or the 
re-design on the Durango, for that matter)

Who comes up with all this ugly crap? I drive a 2004 Silverado and 
even I think the front end is ugly.  Only reason I bought it was 
because my father in law was selling it CHEAP and it has really low 
mileage.  The last good looking Chevy truck was made in 1987.



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  7 19:58:51 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:58:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <0JJA004DKJWFCXEB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <000501c7a978$f89b85a0$f000a8c0@sheeba>

Amen.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony & Jackie [mailto:kimmell at verizon.net] 
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:26 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs

At 10:49 AM 6/7/2007, you wrote:
>Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end. 
>There is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!
>Com'on, look at their profiles! No one can sit straight-faced and tell 
>me many of the current cars didn't take some of their design and 
>appearance from the 70's, many from the very popular Gremlin and Hornet 
>designs, which was one of the most successful body styles in history.

I think I'd rather have a Gremlin or Pacer than some of the fugly ca-ca they
are making these days.  Chevy Avalanche, Pontiac Aztec, etc.

Not to mention ALL the mid-size SUV's made by ANY manufaturer.  Ever seen
one of those Scion's that looks like a brick on wheels?  Or the Honda
Element or Pilot?  How about Dodge's new Nitro (or the re-design on the
Durango, for that matter)

Who comes up with all this ugly crap? I drive a 2004 Silverado and even I
think the front end is ugly.  Only reason I bought it was because my father
in law was selling it CHEAP and it has really low mileage.  The last good
looking Chevy truck was made in 1987.

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Thu Jun  7 20:15:06 2007
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:15:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ronnie N 3 hp
Message-ID: <000701c7a97b$3b53fce0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6>

I am looking for a Ronnie N 3hp to restore. I need it to be complete and in 
relative distance to Ipswich.

Also I'm looking for user manual for 32volt light set-up. I have Delco ones, 
but looking for Oz ones, eg Davey, Forbes, R&T

Thanks
Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
MS 126
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD  4307

Ph 07 54671541
Skype - snk1950

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
Proverbs 27:19 



From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  8 01:20:02 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 01:20:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stolen Pages - Final
In-Reply-To: <000701c7a97b$3b53fce0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6>
Message-ID: <135242.92347.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


G'Day All
Two weeks ago I reported a thief had had stolen three
SEL members web pages along with other sites.
The stolen material was part of a MSM group, I
reported the event to MSM and today was informed by
Microsoft Copy write group that the page has been
disabled.
Waiting to meet B Erickson in person :-((

Kerry

Lithgow NSW Oz


       
____________________________________________________________________________________
Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting 


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jun  8 04:37:10 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:37:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Stolen Pages - Final
References: <135242.92347.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c7a9c1$5a6354f0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Kerry
I also contact MSN about three days ago and complained on your behalf, and 
Rob and Patrick.
Good result mate.

Peter, Oz



>
> G'Day All
> Two weeks ago I reported a thief had had stolen three
> SEL members web pages along with other sites.
> The stolen material was part of a MSM group, I
> reported the event to MSM and today was informed by
> Microsoft Copy write group that the page has been
> disabled.
> Waiting to meet B Erickson in person :-((
>
> Kerry
>
> Lithgow NSW Oz
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all 
> the tools to get online.
> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jun  8 04:48:44 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 04:48:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stolen Pages - Final
In-Reply-To: <135242.92347.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <135242.92347.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2939.165.206.180.53.1181303324.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Good job!

>
> G'Day All
> Two weeks ago I reported a thief had had stolen three
> SEL members web pages along with other sites.
> The stolen material was part of a MSM group, I
> reported the event to MSM and today was informed by
> Microsoft Copy write group that the page has been
> disabled.
> Waiting to meet B Erickson in person :-((
>
> Kerry
>
> Lithgow NSW Oz
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all
> the tools to get online.
> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jun  8 10:20:41 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:20:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Date Question
Message-ID: <46698FE9.7030507@scrtc.com>

OK IHC guys, I have a friend who is looking for info on a 15 HP.  Here 
is an email he sent me and if anyone can provide some info, I'll pass it 
on to him:

Who is a good contact for dating IHC's? Looking to identify a 15hp  
Famous tagged C-248.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Jun  8 14:55:14 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:55:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Date Question
Message-ID: <380-22007658215514386@coastalnet.com>

Tommy,

>From the list that I have, C-248 belongs to a 6 HP engine,
or perhaps it is an earlier one than shown on the list for the 
15 HP Tank Cooled which starts at C-303
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-2-a.jpg

Ken



> [Original Message]
> From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/8/2007 1:22:38 PM
> Subject: [SEL] IHC Date Question
>
> OK IHC guys, I have a friend who is looking for info on a 15 HP.  Here 
> is an email he sent me and if anyone can provide some info, I'll pass it 
> on to him:
>
> Who is a good contact for dating IHC's? Looking to identify a 15hp  
> Famous tagged C-248.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jun  8 16:01:08 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:01:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Date Question
In-Reply-To: <380-22007658215514386@coastalnet.com>
References: <380-22007658215514386@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <4669DFB4.609@scrtc.com>

Thanks Ken.  Not sure what he's got as it doesn't appear the numbers are 
matching up. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Tommy,
>
>>From the list that I have, C-248 belongs to a 6 HP engine,
>or perhaps it is an earlier one than shown on the list for the 
>15 HP Tank Cooled which starts at C-303
>http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-2-a.jpg
>
>Ken
>
>
>
>  
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Date: 6/8/2007 1:22:38 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] IHC Date Question
>>
>>OK IHC guys, I have a friend who is looking for info on a 15 HP.  Here 
>>is an email he sent me and if anyone can provide some info, I'll pass it 
>>on to him:
>>
>>Who is a good contact for dating IHC's? Looking to identify a 15hp  
>>Famous tagged C-248.
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>    
>>



From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jun  8 16:12:38 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 09:12:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ronnie N 3 hp
In-Reply-To: <000701c7a97b$3b53fce0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6>
References: <000701c7a97b$3b53fce0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070609090430.01b34ce8@ncable.com.au>

Steve there are always Ronnie N's poping up on Aussie ebay. here's 
one now: 
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140126769097&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1 
A little far from you but could be worth investigating.
Keep an eye on ebay and you will pick one up pretty quick.
Russell

At 01:15 PM 8/06/2007, you wrote:
>I am looking for a Ronnie N 3hp to restore. I need it to be complete and in
>relative distance to Ipswich.
>
>Also I'm looking for user manual for 32volt light set-up. I have Delco ones,
>but looking for Oz ones, eg Davey, Forbes, R&T
>
>Thanks
>Steve
>
>Steve and Denise Kitto
>MS 126
>95 Coleyville Road
>Mutdapilly  QLD  4307
>
>Ph 07 54671541
>Skype - snk1950
>
>As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
>Proverbs 27:19
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Jun  8 17:29:07 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:29:07 EDT
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Check out SpeedTrap Exchange (OT)
Message-ID: <c37.145e1b5b.339b4e53@aol.com>

Hi List,
Since so many of us will be traveling, I thought that this site  might be of 
interest to those who are driving.
    _http://www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.asp  


_ (http://www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.asp) 

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jun  8 17:30:00 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:30:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stolen Pages - Final
Message-ID: <20070609003017.637969E7C62@mx-in01.iad.mail-abuse.org>

thanks, mate!

-----Original Message-----

G'Day All
Two weeks ago I reported a thief had had stolen three
SEL members web pages along with other sites.
The stolen material was part of a MSM group, I
reported the event to MSM and today was informed by
Microsoft Copy write group that the page has been
disabled.
Waiting to meet B Erickson in person :-((

Kerry

Lithgow NSW Oz




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jun  8 18:57:07 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:57:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral register
Message-ID: <20070609015714.ILYP20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I am starting to sort out all of the excellent material that Peter had
compiled for the register (what else to do on a stormy weekend). I intend to
put some of the material on my website to make it easily accessible to
collectors. The question is: what sort of information would people like to
see? I will probably not publish the entire register online as it changes
too frequently to keep up and I am also wary of the amount of online piracy
lately (people stealing images and data from websites and calling it their
own). I am hoping to eventually be able to produce the register as a PDF
that could be emailed to people to save postage and printing costs. Always
so much to do and so little time.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jun  8 19:46:01 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:46:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
Message-ID: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi guys

Who is going to the National Rally at Biloela, QLD, sure is a long way 
further than I thought from my place.

It is around 900 kms and 9 1/2 hours drive from me and I guess if you have 
not booked accommodation now there will be none for 100 kms.
I know SWMBO will not camp, then again I could have left her at home until I 
mentioned it, now she wants to come too ;-)))))

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Fri Jun  8 23:09:08 2007
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 02:09:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
Message-ID: <be8.18e812ed.339b9e04@aol.com>

Gee pete your only around the corner, think of the boys from Perth coming 
over.
See you there.
Peter Woodmore. 
peterwoodmore at aol.com
Skype name Woadmere   



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jun  8 23:08:36 2007
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 15:38:36 +0930
Subject: [SEL] Austral register
References: <20070609015714.ILYP20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000601c7aa5c$9e0661c0$cb03af3a@chaos>

I have astral petrol engine No. 114545 2hp type N grafted into a lightburn 
cement mixer, i guess it is 1964 , by looking at that list..

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: [SEL] Austral register


>I am starting to sort out all of the excellent material that Peter had
> compiled for the register (what else to do on a stormy weekend). I intend 
> to
> put some of the material on my website to make it easily accessible to
> collectors. The question is: what sort of information would people like to
> 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jun  9 01:26:22 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:26:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
References: <be8.18e812ed.339b9e04@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c7aa6f$dd394c00$0601a8c0@altech>

Yeah I know, but my new R&V Vertical arrives in Sydney from sunny Kalifornia 
about then too, so not sure what is happening.
Getting time from work is a problem.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



> Gee pete your only around the corner, think of the boys from Perth coming
> over.
> See you there.
> Peter Woodmore.
> peterwoodmore at aol.com
> Skype name Woadmere
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Jun  9 03:42:20 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:42:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
References: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <002b01c7aa82$e2b59590$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

There are some coming from West Australia,not sure how many but at least 
some from The Old Machinery Club .They were the hosts when the National 
Rally was in Busselton in 1996.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally


> Hi guys
>
> Who is going to the National Rally at Biloela, QLD, sure is a long way
> further than I thought from my place.
>
> It is around 900 kms and 9 1/2 hours drive from me and I guess if you have
> not booked accommodation now there will be none for 100 kms.
> I know SWMBO will not camp, then again I could have left her at home until 
> I
> mentioned it, now she wants to come too ;-)))))
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jun  9 04:16:49 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:16:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT Birthday wish
Message-ID: <060920071116.25126.466A8C21000B8B2100006226219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

According to SKYPE a Certain Arnie Fero turned 38 yrs old today......Naaaah he 
is older then dirt!
Have a Happy Day Arnie!
Curt Andree


From michael.y at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jun  9 04:52:30 2007
From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:52:30 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Lister N date
Message-ID: <000e01c79230$d49b9500$0301a8c0@Young1203>

BlankHi guys/gals,

anybody have a clue what the made date is for a Lister N #48764  that I dragged home today.  It has the one piece head/cylinder and ML flick mag.  I figure around the mid to late teens but to be honest dont know any more 'bout these than my grandma does.

      
Michael Young
5 Beech Crescent
Orange  NSW  2800
AUSTRALIA
http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Jun  9 04:56:21 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:56:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Birthday wish
In-Reply-To: <060920071116.25126.466A8C21000B8B2100006226219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F218EBCE17D1503997A7E8095240@phx.gbl>

Happy Birthday Arnie,  I'll be at your big party at coolspring next week.... 
oops, was that a secret?  Steve


>From: cgandree at mchsi.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
>Subject: [SEL] OT Birthday wish
>Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:16:49 +0000
>
>According to SKYPE a Certain Arnie Fero turned 38 yrs old today......Naaaah 
>he
>is older then dirt!
>Have a Happy Day Arnie!
>Curt Andree
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jun  9 05:05:35 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:05:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister N date
References: <000e01c79230$d49b9500$0301a8c0@Young1203>
Message-ID: <000d01c7aa8e$7d738870$d4ee683a@Edd>

Hi Michael.My book says 1925.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Young" <michael.y at ozemail.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Lister N date


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From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sat Jun  9 05:14:59 2007
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 08:14:59 EDT
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
Message-ID: <ca4.1148dc0e.339bf3c3@aol.com>

Patrick will look after it for you till after the rally


Peter Woodmore. 
peterwoodmore at aol.com
Skype name Woadmere   



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jun  9 08:03:48 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 01:03:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
References: <ca4.1148dc0e.339bf3c3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c7aaa7$629830f0$0601a8c0@altech>

Nah, he has more than he can handle now that he know the work in running an 
engine register ;-))

Peter, Oz




> Patrick will look after it for you till after the rally
>
>
> Peter Woodmore.
> peterwoodmore at aol.com
> Skype name Woadmere
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jun  9 08:12:56 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  9 Jun 2007 11:12:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Birthday wish
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F218EBCE17D1503997A7E8095240@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY144-F218EBCE17D1503997A7E8095240@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1181401976.466ac378ee3b8@webmail.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!  Don't believe everything you read on the 'net.  8-))
Party at Coolspring sounds GOOD though!

The weather this year is gonna be AWESOME!!!!!!  
Sadly, no bass fishing in the SEL engine area though...  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:

> Happy Birthday Arnie,  I'll be at your big party at coolspring next week....
> oops, was that a secret?  Steve
> 
> >From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> >
> >According to SKYPE a Certain Arnie Fero turned 38 yrs old today......Naaaah
> >he is older then dirt!
> >Have a Happy Day Arnie!
> >Curt Andree




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jun  9 08:37:18 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  9 Jun 2007 11:37:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Lister N date
In-Reply-To: <000e01c79230$d49b9500$0301a8c0@Young1203>
References: <000e01c79230$d49b9500$0301a8c0@Young1203>
Message-ID: <1181403438.466ac92ead412@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Michael,

Get yourself a copy of "Know Your Lister. Types H,J,K,L,M,N,P,Q,R."  Its an
excellent reference explaining everything you ever wanted to know about these
Listers.  You can get it locally in Oz from Plough Book Sales #001396 for
$20.50.  http://www.ploughbooksales.com.au/44.htm

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Michael Young <michael.y at ozemail.com.au>:

> anybody have a clue what the made date is for a Lister N #48764  that I
> dragged home today.  It has the one piece head/cylinder and ML flick mag.  I
> figure around the mid to late teens but to be honest dont know any more 'bout
> these than my grandma does.




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jun  9 10:39:52 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:39:52 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT Birthday wish
In-Reply-To: <060920071116.25126.466A8C21000B8B2100006226219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <060920071116.25126.466A8C21000B8B2100006226219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706091039ge595fb6y28a9056c00ff7036@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/06/07, cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:
> According to SKYPE a Certain Arnie Fero turned 38 yrs old today......Naaaah he
> is older then dirt!
> Have a Happy Day Arnie!
> Curt Andree

Happy Birthday, Arnie,  from us both in the UK!

Peter & Rita
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jun 10 01:17:17 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:17:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
In-Reply-To: <001801c7aaa7$629830f0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <20070610081759.NRCO20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

There is always room for one more R&V at my place :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Nah, he has more than he can handle now that he know the work in running an 
engine register ;-))

Peter, Oz




> Patrick will look after it for you till after the rally
>
>
> Peter Woodmore.
> peterwoodmore at aol.com
> Skype name Woadmere
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jun 10 03:22:55 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:22:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
References: <20070610081759.NRCO20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000e01c7ab49$4fc7e090$0601a8c0@altech>

I don't know what the attraction is Patrick, everyone has got one, they are 
like Moffat Virtues.
NOW, if we could get rid of a few the value might go up.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm






> There is always room for one more R&V at my place :)
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Nah, he has more than he can handle now that he know the work in running 
> an
> engine register ;-))
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>> Patrick will look after it for you till after the rally
>>
>>
>> Peter Woodmore.
>> peterwoodmore at aol.com
>> Skype name Woadmere
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From michael.y at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jun 10 04:03:01 2007
From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:03:01 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Lister N date
References: <000e01c79230$d49b9500$0301a8c0@Young1203>
	<000d01c7aa8e$7d738870$d4ee683a@Edd>
Message-ID: <003d01c792f3$180a87c0$0301a8c0@Young1203>

Thanks Edd,

Michael
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister N date


> Hi Michael.My book says 1925.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Young" <michael.y at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:54 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Lister N date
> 
> 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jun 10 13:16:38 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:16:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com>
	<6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706101316x250e6136lb28d666d356f369c@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/06/07, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just been talking to our local Renault dealer about replacing our
> present van. It will be 3 yrs old in September, probably done
> 150,000miles or so and we are gradually reducing the van replacement
> time cycle so that we eventually run under the 3-year warranty.
>
> The 140hp 2.5 turbo engine is now 150hp, same size engine, but the
> other bits are much the same. Getting a quote tomorrow, delivery will
> be September anyway.
>
> Can't remember what Audi and BMW get out of their car diesels, but the
> 2.5litre Renault van engine is a real gem. I believe that we can get
> it upped to 220HP with a chip remapping, but likely that would hurt
> the reliability (and warranty!) Best one we have ever had in the UK so
> far.

Update on that new van: we have ordered it for 24th September
delivery, the same van from Vauxhall was December delivery, didn't
check on the Nissan version.

In case anyone is wondering, the Renault/Vauxhall/Nissan/Opel versions
of this vehicle are all made at the GM Vauxhall factory for the UK
market only. The Opels are exported to Europe.

Price with taxes and discount is a little under $US40,000 so it isn't
just petrol that is expensive over here!  That is a fairly well spec'd
vehicle and includes 150bhp engine, aircon, CD Stereo, electric
windows and mirrors, tinted glass, cab bulkhead, towbar and electrics
and tachograph (required when towing a trailer commercially)

We are keeping the original Renault van and getting rid of the smaller
Vauxhall Astravan which is just over 4 years old now and has covered
just over 100K miles..

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sun Jun 10 21:15:55 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:15:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
In-Reply-To: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <466CCC7B.4070107@steamengine.com.au>

I've been contemplating it, but the 2000km there and back puts me off a 
bit - that and I'd have to be just a "public" visitor since I've packed 
in my club (not going into reasons). I could camp outside on the road 
with Reg :).

Paul

Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi guys
>
> Who is going to the National Rally at Biloela, QLD, sure is a long way 
> further than I thought from my place.
>
>   



From astfgl at iamnota.org  Mon Jun 11 04:53:32 2007
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:53:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
In-Reply-To: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <466D37BC.2060302@iamnota.org>

I'm about the same distance and I'm *IN* Queensland! Anyone coming from 
further north than Townsville?

Lucky for us someone is only staying the Friday night, so we have a place for 
the next two nights.

Oh, and here's a tip - instead of following the A3 down from Rocky through Mt 
Morgan, an annoyingly steep and windy road, you can hook out west along the A4 
and turn south on the A5. Slightly longer, but better.

Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi guys
> 
> Who is going to the National Rally at Biloela, QLD, sure is a long way 
> further than I thought from my place.


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun 11 04:59:18 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:59:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally
References: <001701c7aa40$51469ec0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<466CCC7B.4070107@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <013d01c7ac1f$f96dba30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I am giving it a miss too. These events dont have the 'feel' that Portland 
and Baraboo do. Ive been to the best, and the effort and cost involved to 
attend is more than I feel like doing this time.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] who is going to the National Rally


> I've been contemplating it, but the 2000km there and back puts me off a
> bit - that and I'd have to be just a "public" visitor since I've packed
> in my club (not going into reasons). I could camp outside on the road
> with Reg :).
>
> Paul
>
> Peter Lowe wrote:
>> Hi guys
>>
>> Who is going to the National Rally at Biloela, QLD, sure is a long way
>> further than I thought from my place.
>>
>>
>
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 11 09:26:26 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:26:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tachograph
Message-ID: <BAY127-F24F3340A8AD8ED280DED33CB1A0@phx.gbl>

"...and tachograph (required when towing a trailer commercially)"


Awrighty - what's a tachograph?  I can imagine, but would rather hear it 
from you so I understand it.


Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted 
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
thereafter."
E. Hemingway

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 11:05:08 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:05:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Tachograph
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F24F3340A8AD8ED280DED33CB1A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-F24F3340A8AD8ED280DED33CB1A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706111105p3864f607tbfa99545b647cc77@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/06/07, Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> "...and tachograph (required when towing a trailer commercially)"
>
>
> Awrighty - what's a tachograph?  I can imagine, but would rather hear it
> from you so I understand it.
>
>
> Bruce Younger

Records speed and distance travelled, also which one of two possible drivers.

The existing van has a car radio-sized Kienzle tacho with recording
disc, a treated paper disc which the machine writes to physically when
you are travelling. These are not so good in a prang as the pens come
off the disc surface when subjected to hi G-forces in an accident.

The previous can had the standard 5" tacho in place of the speedo and
was cable driven, all the new ones are electronic.

The new digital tacho's take a credit-card sized memory card which the
data is written to.

I don't have all the info yet, but apparently we have to register
somewhere to get one of the new cards, and they have to be kept for so
many years....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Jun 11 11:07:53 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:07:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tachograph
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F24F3340A8AD8ED280DED33CB1A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-F24F3340A8AD8ED280DED33CB1A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <466D8F79.1050602@telenet.net>

tachograph: AKA "tattletale", "Big Brother" and some names not fit for 
print. The OLD units were just a paper chart machine that recorded the 
speed and RPM levels of the rig while you were driving. Some also were 
the speedometer in the unit and were mounted on the dash. Others were 
mounted out of the way and didn't have an external speed display. They 
were a locked unit and the key was held by a "trusted" employee of the 
company. They would unlock the unit, remove the chart and spray it with 
a lacquer spray and file it away for the big boss to look at.

The next generation used a paper tape so they didn't need to be changed 
as often.

Then came the semi electronic units that stored the information on 
special tapes.

Then the memory recorders that used GPS information.

The current version is built into the trucks on board computer system 
and records a LOT of information. From speed, rpm range, gear usage, 
brake applications, and idle time, to last service and amount of time 
stopped and when.

Then if you REALLY want them to watch over you get a job with an outfit 
that uses SatLink gear. With it they can tell all the above in real 
time, AND as a bonus they have two way communication with you.


Bruce Younger wrote:
> "...and tachograph (required when towing a trailer commercially)"
> 
> 
> Awrighty - what's a tachograph?  I can imagine, but would rather hear it 
> from you so I understand it.
> 
> 
> Bruce Younger
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
> Madison, SD
> sluggo54 at hotmail.com
> 
> "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted 
> armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
> thereafter."
> E. Hemingway
> 


-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York
NRA Member
Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
he'd have become a vegan.


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Jun 11 13:28:21 2007
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:28:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><5.2.1.1.0.20070407214749.00b11370@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net><1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech><0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net><8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com><6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com><6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160706101316x250e6136lb28d666d356f369c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002201c7ac67$0fe19740$9384e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Peter ,
            Your van must be rated at over 3.5 tons as a van that is rated 
up to this weight does not need a tacho when pulling trailers commercially 
or not . The firm that I subcontract to has vans rated at 4.5 tons that came 
with a tacho as standard , they got them down rated to 3.5 tons and they 
need a tacho when towing anything
Craig in Scotland
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs


> On 06/06/07, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just been talking to our local Renault dealer about replacing our
>> present van. It will be 3 yrs old in September, probably done
>> 150,000miles or so and we are gradually reducing the van replacement
>> time cycle so that we eventually run under the 3-year warranty.
>>
>> The 140hp 2.5 turbo engine is now 150hp, same size engine, but the
>> other bits are much the same. Getting a quote tomorrow, delivery will
>> be September anyway.
>>
>> Can't remember what Audi and BMW get out of their car diesels, but the
>> 2.5litre Renault van engine is a real gem. I believe that we can get
>> it upped to 220HP with a chip remapping, but likely that would hurt
>> the reliability (and warranty!) Best one we have ever had in the UK so
>> far.
>
> Update on that new van: we have ordered it for 24th September
> delivery, the same van from Vauxhall was December delivery, didn't
> check on the Nissan version.
>
> In case anyone is wondering, the Renault/Vauxhall/Nissan/Opel versions
> of this vehicle are all made at the GM Vauxhall factory for the UK
> market only. The Opels are exported to Europe.
>
> Price with taxes and discount is a little under $US40,000 so it isn't
> just petrol that is expensive over here!  That is a fairly well spec'd
> vehicle and includes 150bhp engine, aircon, CD Stereo, electric
> windows and mirrors, tinted glass, cab bulkhead, towbar and electrics
> and tachograph (required when towing a trailer commercially)
>
> We are keeping the original Renault van and getting rid of the smaller
> Vauxhall Astravan which is just over 4 years old now and has covered
> just over 100K miles..
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jun 12 00:45:19 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:45:19 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs
In-Reply-To: <002201c7ac67$0fe19740$9384e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20070605031100.5504357C47@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<1136.165.206.180.53.1181045991.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<002401c7a76d$edd3e7f0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<0JJ7004LD1XHCJM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<8d3c36fb0706060912q47b5e8d8w412771f217ef72c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6749D0D2-098C-4DD7-B037-5423715DEF04@rustyiron.com>
	<6f6025160706061102o5b31f6afuf06e12c8497f4bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160706101316x250e6136lb28d666d356f369c@mail.gmail.com>
	<002201c7ac67$0fe19740$9384e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <6f6025160706120045s3cedb468w4a5e79943b719f39@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/06/07, craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Peter ,
>             Your van must be rated at over 3.5 tons as a van that is rated
> up to this weight does not need a tacho when pulling trailers commercially
> or not . The firm that I subcontract to has vans rated at 4.5 tons that came
> with a tacho as standard , they got them down rated to 3.5 tons and they
> need a tacho when towing anything
> Craig in Scotland

Not quite correct, it is the combined weight that is over 3.5tonnes,
the basic van by itself is 2.9tonnes GVW, 4.9tonnes GCW.

Legislation details:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/requirementsfortrailers

If adding a trailer to the vehicle makes the GCW exceed 3.5tonnes then
a tacho is required, even if the vehicle is less than 3.5 tonnes to
start with. No tacho is needed for private trips as already mentioned.
You only need to use the tacho when running with a trailer (empty or
loaded) no need to use it if the van is less than 3.5tonnes.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 12 09:50:24 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:50:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] tachograph
Message-ID: <BAY127-F38B04370A969C7574DB331CB190@phx.gbl>

I'm almost sorry I asked!

At every casino, and many "adult" interstate stops, I see semi rigs parked 
there, many with GPS on the roof.  Either no one is paying attention, or no 
one cares.

I bought a van-bodied Isuzu KS-22 some years back that had been used as a 
drug delivery vehicle for a large pharmacy supplier.  It had a gadget in the 
front of the box (hard to get to with a load!) that recorded the time the 
receiving agent stuck his key in it and turned it.  Apparently made a unique 
hole in the time chart.  Rudimentary, but provided some information.

Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted 
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
thereafter."
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 12 11:02:55 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:02:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] tachograph
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F38B04370A969C7574DB331CB190@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-F38B04370A969C7574DB331CB190@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706121401350.17569@vegeta.city-net.com>

Bruce,

Man, you're just too suspicious.  Those parking lots are just nice secure
spots for the driver to park his rig and get his required sleep off the
clock.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Bruce Younger wrote:

> I'm almost sorry I asked!
>
> At every casino, and many "adult" interstate stops, I see semi rigs parked
> there, many with GPS on the roof.  Either no one is paying attention, or no
> one cares.



From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Jun 12 16:50:30 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:50:30 +1000
Subject: [SEL] remetaling brass bearings LONG
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070613084127.01ab83b0@ncable.com.au>

Howdy folks; some time back I posed the question of just simply 
building up the brass bearings for my graham with white metal (like 
building up with solder) instead of making whole new brass bearings. 
These are quite large bearings and would be quite expensive to 
reproduce in brass/bronze. With very little ware really it seemed 
like an option to just fill/coat the bearings with about a 1 to 2mm 
thickness if white metal and machine them to the correct thickness 
and replace etc. Well this has now been done and I have to say I'm 
very pleased with the results.   ......................................
......................... HOWEVER!

There is no such thing as simple!  from the start. On the firing 
stroke of the engine one could see a "jump" (if you like) in the 
crank and flywheel on the side shaft side of the engine when running. 
This made me check the bearings out to find that on the side shaft 
side, one could quite easily stick a credit card into the gap found 
between the top eage of the bottom bearing and crank shaft.  When I 
removed the bearing cap and top bearing from the opposite side all 
looked pretty good.  So time to remove the bearings. When cleaned up 
I could see where a distinctive ware mark in the troublesome bearing 
(bottom half) had been made. So this area was to get a little more 
white metal than the rest. The other 3 bearing peices looked pretty 
good so off to dads place for the big white metal soldering job to be 
done. I left the bearing with dad as I had to work etc. Anyway dad 
called to let me know the job went pretty good. He had a little bit 
of mucking about to get the white metal to stick to the brass; a 
little more heat and soldering flux got it done. The soldering iron 
hot and some extra heat to the bearing and all looked like it was 
going well. A nice looking coating of white metal had gone on the 
bearings apart from one which had a slight crusty apearence to it 
which we think is from getting just a little too hot.
this link is to show a pic of what they now looked like :
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2621978930036399874BmBbHr

Well being more than happy at this point I took my bearings around to 
a mates place for machining. We fixed the bearings together with hose 
clamps and placed into the lathe and used a michrometer to get them 
centred best we could. All going well so started to machine 
them.  This was pretty easy; however it was a bit of a shock really 
to see that there was simply just not enough white metal in there to 
machine out.
This link you can see clean white metal and plenty of pitting where 
it is shallow:
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2530864950036399874qhfQqN

This next link shows the first bearing (side shaft side) after 
machining. The top section come up pretty well but the bottom half is 
in need of the soldering doctor once again.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2556790590036399874vdJrao

Well to the next side; it was not until know that I had even pick up 
the fact that when these two bits were placed together they were not 
anywhere near close to being round! There didn't seem to be any cause 
for alarm before removing them so I never studdied them before all 
this work started. Well I recon this was the main cause for the ware 
in the other side.  Two problems! Firstly at some stage the top shell 
has had a huge amount of machining done to the sides of the bearing 
to help bring it down tighter onto the crank shaft! Why would this be 
needed? Well theres the second problem, you can see in the pics that 
the bottom of the bottom bearing is worn somewhere in the tune of 
3mm. I can tell you now that the coating of white metal dad placed 
onto these two shells was going to go know where near close enough to 
fill these holes!
This pic shows the gap needing to be filled again; the cliper shows 
the difference in wall thickness from the bottom of the crankshaft 
bearing to the bottom of the other side!
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2052053360036399874eRzuDB
In that pic you can also see that the top white metal is not to bad 
but the bottom was hardly touched during machining

this next pic shows the shims thickness (4mm) need to get the outside 
of the bearing round again. You can visually see the difference in 
wall thickness from the top to the bottom of the bearing.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2773022770036399874vEZdXM

So back to dads for the second filling. This was now much harder to 
do than the first time because of the amount of metal/thickness 
needed. We had trouble keeping the white metal that we built up 
enough to stay put as we moved alone to put more in. It would be fair 
to say that IF! .... at the start I had picked up that the amount of 
metal need to fill this bearing  was going to be as needed; I would 
have tried my hand at pouring it in after setting it up with a wooden 
shaft etc through the middle. Anyway this was not done. We had to go 
onto using the oxy to concertrate our heat onto a smaller area 
allowing more control to a smaller working area. No soldering iron 
but just the stick of white metal melting and poking it into place.

All looked well so back to gregs place for another machining. Very 
pleasing result this time around. The bearings do have some minor 
pitting hear and there but overall very neat. (the pitting will hold 
oil anyway right  :-o ) The engine is now back together and ready for 
the Junction Rally in a few weeks time. It runs much smoother now, No 
jumping of the shaft and know knocking because of this problem 
also.   So there you go; ............. We learn't something here I 
recon. Would I do the same thing again? Most deffinately! The result 
is great. Advice; check the bearing out properly for ware before 
making the decission to build up or poor the white metal.
cheers, Russell





Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics


From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Jun 12 19:13:41 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:13:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Transport from Bloomfield NJ to any where closer to Upstate NY
Message-ID: <20070613021343.9D4E757DA1@gw1.nlenet.net>

Hi

Is any one traveling from near Bloomfield NJ to Coolsprings, or 
Pageant of steam or other shows in the western NY or PA area?  I am 
looking at a small Compressor but I would need to get someone to hall 
it for me.

I need more toys.

BTW for those who offered to help with a large clock from England, I 
ended up buying just the works so it was much smaller and easier to 
ship. I tis on it's way now.
Thanks to all who offered.

Thanks,

Frank DeWitt



From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 12 23:05:54 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:05:54 +1200
Subject: [SEL] remetaling brass bearings LONG
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070613084127.01ab83b0@ncable.com.au>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070613084127.01ab83b0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <003401c7ad80$e78e24a0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Russell well done great result using the babitt on brass it was a good
decision. brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Gilbert
Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2007 11:51 a.m.
To: SEL
Subject: [SEL] remetaling brass bearings LONG

Howdy folks; some time back I posed the question of just simply 
building up the brass bearings for my graham with white metal (like 
building up with solder) instead of making whole new brass bearings. 
These are quite large bearings and would be quite expensive to 
reproduce in brass/bronze. With very little ware really it seemed 
like an option to just fill/coat the bearings with about a 1 to 2mm 
thickness if white metal and machine them to the correct thickness 
and replace etc. Well this has now been done and I have to say I'm 
very pleased with the results.   ......................................
......................... HOWEVER!

There is no such thing as simple!  from the start. On the firing 
stroke of the engine one could see a "jump" (if you like) in the 
crank and flywheel on the side shaft side of the engine when running. 
This made me check the bearings out to find that on the side shaft 
side, one could quite easily stick a credit card into the gap found 
between the top eage of the bottom bearing and crank shaft.  When I 
removed the bearing cap and top bearing from the opposite side all 
looked pretty good.  So time to remove the bearings. When cleaned up 
I could see where a distinctive ware mark in the troublesome bearing 
(bottom half) had been made. So this area was to get a little more 
white metal than the rest. The other 3 bearing peices looked pretty 
good so off to dads place for the big white metal soldering job to be 
done. I left the bearing with dad as I had to work etc. Anyway dad 
called to let me know the job went pretty good. He had a little bit 
of mucking about to get the white metal to stick to the brass; a 
little more heat and soldering flux got it done. The soldering iron 
hot and some extra heat to the bearing and all looked like it was 
going well. A nice looking coating of white metal had gone on the 
bearings apart from one which had a slight crusty apearence to it 
which we think is from getting just a little too hot.
this link is to show a pic of what they now looked like :
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2621978930036399874BmBbHr

Well being more than happy at this point I took my bearings around to 
a mates place for machining. We fixed the bearings together with hose 
clamps and placed into the lathe and used a michrometer to get them 
centred best we could. All going well so started to machine 
them.  This was pretty easy; however it was a bit of a shock really 
to see that there was simply just not enough white metal in there to 
machine out.
This link you can see clean white metal and plenty of pitting where 
it is shallow:
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2530864950036399874qhfQqN

This next link shows the first bearing (side shaft side) after 
machining. The top section come up pretty well but the bottom half is 
in need of the soldering doctor once again.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2556790590036399874vdJrao

Well to the next side; it was not until know that I had even pick up 
the fact that when these two bits were placed together they were not 
anywhere near close to being round! There didn't seem to be any cause 
for alarm before removing them so I never studdied them before all 
this work started. Well I recon this was the main cause for the ware 
in the other side.  Two problems! Firstly at some stage the top shell 
has had a huge amount of machining done to the sides of the bearing 
to help bring it down tighter onto the crank shaft! Why would this be 
needed? Well theres the second problem, you can see in the pics that 
the bottom of the bottom bearing is worn somewhere in the tune of 
3mm. I can tell you now that the coating of white metal dad placed 
onto these two shells was going to go know where near close enough to 
fill these holes!
This pic shows the gap needing to be filled again; the cliper shows 
the difference in wall thickness from the bottom of the crankshaft 
bearing to the bottom of the other side!
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2052053360036399874eRzuDB
In that pic you can also see that the top white metal is not to bad 
but the bottom was hardly touched during machining

this next pic shows the shims thickness (4mm) need to get the outside 
of the bearing round again. You can visually see the difference in 
wall thickness from the top to the bottom of the bearing.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2773022770036399874vEZdXM

So back to dads for the second filling. This was now much harder to 
do than the first time because of the amount of metal/thickness 
needed. We had trouble keeping the white metal that we built up 
enough to stay put as we moved alone to put more in. It would be fair 
to say that IF! .... at the start I had picked up that the amount of 
metal need to fill this bearing  was going to be as needed; I would 
have tried my hand at pouring it in after setting it up with a wooden 
shaft etc through the middle. Anyway this was not done. We had to go 
onto using the oxy to concertrate our heat onto a smaller area 
allowing more control to a smaller working area. No soldering iron 
but just the stick of white metal melting and poking it into place.

All looked well so back to gregs place for another machining. Very 
pleasing result this time around. The bearings do have some minor 
pitting hear and there but overall very neat. (the pitting will hold 
oil anyway right  :-o ) The engine is now back together and ready for 
the Junction Rally in a few weeks time. It runs much smoother now, No 
jumping of the shaft and know knocking because of this problem 
also.   So there you go; ............. We learn't something here I 
recon. Would I do the same thing again? Most deffinately! The result 
is great. Advice; check the bearing out properly for ware before 
making the decission to build up or poor the white metal.
cheers, Russell





Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Wed Jun 13 04:08:47 2007
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:08:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] remetaling brass bearings LONG
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070613084127.01ab83b0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <005501c7adab$384a3a30$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6>

Hi Russ, You done well Mate, a very good job. Cam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] remetaling brass bearings LONG


> Howdy folks; some time back I posed the question of just simply 
> building up the brass bearings for my graham with white metal (like 
> building up with solder) instead of making whole new brass bearings. 
> These are quite large bearings and would be quite expensive to 
> reproduce in brass/bronze. With very little ware really it seemed 
> like an option to just fill/coat the bearings with about a 1 to 2mm 
> thickness if white metal and machine them to the correct thickness 
> and replace etc. Well this has now been done and I have to say I'm 
> very pleased with the results.   ......................................
> ......................... HOWEVER!
> 
> There is no such thing as simple!  from the start. On the firing 
> stroke of the engine one could see a "jump" (if you like) in the 
> crank and flywheel on the side shaft side of the engine when running. 
> This made me check the bearings out to find that on the side shaft 
> side, one could quite easily stick a credit card into the gap found 
> between the top eage of the bottom bearing and crank shaft.  When I 
> removed the bearing cap and top bearing from the opposite side all 
> looked pretty good.  So time to remove the bearings. When cleaned up 
> I could see where a distinctive ware mark in the troublesome bearing 
> (bottom half) had been made. So this area was to get a little more 
> white metal than the rest. The other 3 bearing peices looked pretty 
> good so off to dads place for the big white metal soldering job to be 
> done. I left the bearing with dad as I had to work etc. Anyway dad 
> called to let me know the job went pretty good. He had a little bit 
> of mucking about to get the white metal to stick to the brass; a 
> little more heat and soldering flux got it done. The soldering iron 
> hot and some extra heat to the bearing and all looked like it was 
> going well. A nice looking coating of white metal had gone on the 
> bearings apart from one which had a slight crusty apearence to it 
> which we think is from getting just a little too hot.
> this link is to show a pic of what they now looked like :
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2621978930036399874BmBbHr
> 
> Well being more than happy at this point I took my bearings around to 
> a mates place for machining. We fixed the bearings together with hose 
> clamps and placed into the lathe and used a michrometer to get them 
> centred best we could. All going well so started to machine 
> them.  This was pretty easy; however it was a bit of a shock really 
> to see that there was simply just not enough white metal in there to 
> machine out.
> This link you can see clean white metal and plenty of pitting where 
> it is shallow:
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2530864950036399874qhfQqN
> 
> This next link shows the first bearing (side shaft side) after 
> machining. The top section come up pretty well but the bottom half is 
> in need of the soldering doctor once again.
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2556790590036399874vdJrao
> 
> Well to the next side; it was not until know that I had even pick up 
> the fact that when these two bits were placed together they were not 
> anywhere near close to being round! There didn't seem to be any cause 
> for alarm before removing them so I never studdied them before all 
> this work started. Well I recon this was the main cause for the ware 
> in the other side.  Two problems! Firstly at some stage the top shell 
> has had a huge amount of machining done to the sides of the bearing 
> to help bring it down tighter onto the crank shaft! Why would this be 
> needed? Well theres the second problem, you can see in the pics that 
> the bottom of the bottom bearing is worn somewhere in the tune of 
> 3mm. I can tell you now that the coating of white metal dad placed 
> onto these two shells was going to go know where near close enough to 
> fill these holes!
> This pic shows the gap needing to be filled again; the cliper shows 
> the difference in wall thickness from the bottom of the crankshaft 
> bearing to the bottom of the other side!
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2052053360036399874eRzuDB
> In that pic you can also see that the top white metal is not to bad 
> but the bottom was hardly touched during machining
> 
> this next pic shows the shims thickness (4mm) need to get the outside 
> of the bearing round again. You can visually see the difference in 
> wall thickness from the top to the bottom of the bearing.
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2773022770036399874vEZdXM
> 
> So back to dads for the second filling. This was now much harder to 
> do than the first time because of the amount of metal/thickness 
> needed. We had trouble keeping the white metal that we built up 
> enough to stay put as we moved alone to put more in. It would be fair 
> to say that IF! .... at the start I had picked up that the amount of 
> metal need to fill this bearing  was going to be as needed; I would 
> have tried my hand at pouring it in after setting it up with a wooden 
> shaft etc through the middle. Anyway this was not done. We had to go 
> onto using the oxy to concertrate our heat onto a smaller area 
> allowing more control to a smaller working area. No soldering iron 
> but just the stick of white metal melting and poking it into place.
> 
> All looked well so back to gregs place for another machining. Very 
> pleasing result this time around. The bearings do have some minor 
> pitting hear and there but overall very neat. (the pitting will hold 
> oil anyway right  :-o ) The engine is now back together and ready for 
> the Junction Rally in a few weeks time. It runs much smoother now, No 
> jumping of the shaft and know knocking because of this problem 
> also.   So there you go; ............. We learn't something here I 
> recon. Would I do the same thing again? Most deffinately! The result 
> is great. Advice; check the bearing out properly for ware before 
> making the decission to build up or poor the white metal.
> cheers, Russell
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Wed Jun 13 05:29:16 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:29:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Does anyone have Peter Ogborne's (Perth) email address
Message-ID: <466FE31C.5000509@steamengine.com.au>

Hi,
I'm trying to get back in touch with Peter Ogborne in Perth - does 
anyone have his current email address??

Regards
Paul


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Jun 13 14:20:34 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:20:34 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Does anyone have Peter Ogborne's (Perth) email address
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1181750402.1503.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070613231748.02b6dd60@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 13/06/2007, you wrote:
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:29:16 +1000
>From: Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
>Subject: [SEL] Does anyone have Peter Ogborne's (Perth) email address
>
>Hi,
>I'm trying to get back in touch with Peter Ogborne in Perth - does
>anyone have his current email address??
>
>Regards
>Paul

Hi Paul,
         <jopeter at omninet.net.au>




Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Jun 14 18:00:48 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hello
Message-ID: <20070615010050.765AC57CB8@gw1.nlenet.net>

Tap, Tap, Hello
Just checking to see if anyone is in here.

Frank



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jun 14 18:04:20 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:04:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hello
Message-ID: <d64.b13a436.33a33f94@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:01:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
Frank at lbpinc.com writes:

Just  checking to see if anyone is in here.


You arrived in California at 6:01 PM.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca




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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 14 18:05:21 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:05:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hello
In-Reply-To: <20070615010050.765AC57CB8@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <825374.94330.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I be here.
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan

Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:
  Tap, Tap, Hello
Just checking to see if anyone is in here.

Frank

       
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Jun 14 18:09:34 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:09:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Hello
In-Reply-To: <20070615010050.765AC57CB8@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <20070615010050.765AC57CB8@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <000001c7aee9$d6404e20$8335c53e@doc>

Nobody here....


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Frank DeWitt
> Sent: 15 June 2007 02:01
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Hello
> 
> Tap, Tap, Hello
> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
> 
> Frank
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jun 14 18:17:02 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:17:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hello
Message-ID: <20070614.181702.1844.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Frank.  I was wondering too.  Until yours came through I had received
only one post from the three lists I am on. ATIS. SEL. and Oldengine. 
Everyone must be working on projects.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:48 -0400 Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com>
writes:
> Tap, Tap, Hello
> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
> 
> Frank
>


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Jun 14 18:25:45 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:25:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hello
In-Reply-To: <20070614.181702.1844.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070614.181702.1844.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <2aa2b9f26b32fd67fe2786c9616d58c2@chartertn.net>

I'm not here.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 14 18:32:58 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hello
In-Reply-To: <20070614.181702.1844.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <9975.20554.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Has anyone seen my post?
  For some strang reason the last three or four days I do not get copies of any message I write.
  Not even when I send a message to myself. Several times not I have sent a test message and put this email addy in the To: , CC:  , and BCC: boxes.
  I should therefore get that message back three times.  I don't get any of them.
   
  I am on many yahoo lists, this list and Jim's oldengine list.
  I never see anything I write.
   
  Thanks guys,
  Alan Bowen

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
  Hi Frank. I was wondering too. Until yours came through I had received
only one post from the three lists I am on. ATIS. SEL. and Oldengine. 
Everyone must be working on projects.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:48 -0400 Frank DeWitt 
writes:
> Tap, Tap, Hello
> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
> 
> Frank
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jun 14 19:27:42 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:27:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hello
References: <20070614.181702.1844.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c7aef4$c0bc7d20$336d4b47@mikecomp>

They are all at Coolsprings!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello


> Hi Frank.  I was wondering too.  Until yours came through I had received
> only one post from the three lists I am on. ATIS. SEL. and Oldengine. 
> Everyone must be working on projects.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:48 -0400 Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com>
> writes:
>> Tap, Tap, Hello
>> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
>> 
>> Frank
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 14 19:33:13 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:33:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hello
References: <9975.20554.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c201c7aef5$86346630$240110ac@FAMILY>

Alan I got this message from you.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello


> Has anyone seen my post?
>  For some strang reason the last three or four days I do not get copies of 
> any message I write.
>  Not even when I send a message to myself. Several times not I have sent a 
> test message and put this email addy in the To: , CC:  , and BCC: boxes.
>  I should therefore get that message back three times.  I don't get any of 
> them.
>
>  I am on many yahoo lists, this list and Jim's oldengine list.
>  I never see anything I write.
>
>  Thanks guys,
>  Alan Bowen
>
> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>  Hi Frank. I was wondering too. Until yours came through I had received
> only one post from the three lists I am on. ATIS. SEL. and Oldengine.
> Everyone must be working on projects.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:48 -0400 Frank DeWitt
> writes:
>> Tap, Tap, Hello
>> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
>>
>> Frank
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun 14 19:40:24 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:40:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hello
References: <20070614.181702.1844.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<001e01c7aef4$c0bc7d20$336d4b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <02e401c7aef6$886e3420$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

As I should be too!  (Sigh)
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello


> They are all at Coolsprings!!!!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello
> 
> 
>> Hi Frank.  I was wondering too.  Until yours came through I had received
>> only one post from the three lists I am on. ATIS. SEL. and Oldengine. 
>> Everyone must be working on projects.
>> 
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>> 
>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:48 -0400 Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com>
>> writes:
>>> Tap, Tap, Hello
>>> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From dleis at centurytel.net  Thu Jun 14 13:14:22 2007
From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:14:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <000801c7aec0$9a0c26f0$0701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

sorry for the test no mail in 24 hours

                     Stacy


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jun 15 04:04:35 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:04:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000801c7aec0$9a0c26f0$0701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <002301c7af3c$fa43e2c0$0601a8c0@altech>

Well, that means turn off the computer and get out into your shop and fix 
engines ;-)))
You will get square eyes.


Peter, Oz





> sorry for the test no mail in 24 hours
>
>                     Stacy



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Fri Jun 15 04:11:16 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:11:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hello
In-Reply-To: <20070615010050.765AC57CB8@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <20070615010050.765AC57CB8@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <467273D4.8010007@steamengine.com.au>

Sorry Frank, I can't here you :)

Frank DeWitt wrote:
> Tap, Tap, Hello
> Just checking to see if anyone is in here.
>
> Frank
>   



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jun 15 07:39:06 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:39:06 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hello
Message-ID: <c4a.15bf0600.33a3fe8a@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/14/2007 10:31:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

They are all at Coolsprings

Not all, some of us are headed to the beaches at Hatteras for the week!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 15 10:28:17 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:28:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000801c7aec0$9a0c26f0$0701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <003801c7af72$90b3bf20$240110ac@FAMILY>

Coming through loud and clear Stacy.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stacy Leis" <dleis at centurytel.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] test


> sorry for the test no mail in 24 hours
> 
>                     Stacy
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From svsuzanne at copper.net  Fri Jun 15 12:33:17 2007
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:33:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000801c7aec0$9a0c26f0$0701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <000801c7af84$07606450$cb1ec0ce@your6wz9c9s4x1>

OK here 1530 EDT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stacy Leis" <dleis at centurytel.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] test


> sorry for the test no mail in 24 hours
>
>                     Stacy
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release Date: 6/10/2007 
> 1:39 PM
>
> 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 15 14:13:36 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:13:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070613084127.01ab83b0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <672666.89022.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Howdy Folks,
   
  I have a heavy duty power bandsaw that I just replaced a bearing on.
  It is part of the right angle drive that powers the blade.
   
  The thick mud like lube that was in there had a lot of moisture in it because it has been sitting partly open for about four years. That's what the PO said anyway.
   
  Would 80 wt gear lube be the right lube to put back in there?
   
  This is an engine topic as I have carts to build and I need this tool running.
   
  Thankfully all the parts were laying on the saw, even the old bearing.
  All that was missing was one 1/4-20 X 3/8" round head machine screw that was easy to replace.
   
  I have it all put back together with a new bearing and it is ready to work as soon as I lube up those gears.
   
  The saw is mounted on a nice stand with wheels on one end.
  The top of the stand has a good sized lip all the way around and a well on one end to collect oil.  The oil drains into a filter then there is a pump and line that pumps the filtered oil back to the blade. It is a nice heavy pump too.
   
  What say ye?  80wt gear lube OK?
  Something else??
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan
   
  BTW,, I tried sending this to me three ways. Two you can see and the BCC you shouldn't be able to see.  Here's betting I don't see any of this again unless someone replies and leaves it.  I won't even get this message through the list.  It is like I have blocked my own emails.

       
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 15 14:28:37 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:28:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
Message-ID: <392438.2021.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

YAHOO !!!!!!!

Writing that made me wonder,
  I went and looked at all the SPAM emails that Yahoo has blocked for me.
   
  Sure enough rustaholic777 at yahoo.com was one of them.
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan
   
   
  Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
    Howdy Folks,
   
  I have a heavy duty power bandsaw that I just replaced a bearing on.
  It is part of the right angle drive that powers the blade.
   
  The thick mud like lube that was in there had a lot of moisture in it because it has been sitting partly open for about four years. That's what the PO said anyway.
   
  Would 80 wt gear lube be the right lube to put back in there?
   
  This is an engine topic as I have carts to build and I need this tool running.
   
  Thankfully all the parts were laying on the saw, even the old bearing.
  All that was missing was one 1/4-20 X 3/8" round head machine screw that was easy to replace.
   
  I have it all put back together with a new bearing and it is ready to work as soon as I lube up those gears.
   
  The saw is mounted on a nice stand with wheels on one end.
  The top of the stand has a good sized lip all the way around and a well on one end to collect oil.  The oil drains into a filter then there is a pump and line that pumps the filtered oil back to the blade. It is a nice heavy pump too.
   
  What say ye?  80wt gear lube OK?
  Something else??
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan
   
  BTW,, I tried sending this to me three ways. Two you can see and the BCC you shouldn't be able to see.  Here's betting I don't see any of this again unless someone replies and leaves it.  I won't even get this message through the list.  It is like I have blocked my own emails.

       
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 15 15:13:46 2007
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
In-Reply-To: <672666.89022.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <84350.64373.qm@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I would use 600W steam cylinder oil in it. Worm gear boxes often are
filled with it, which is the only reason it is still made.
I see you posting on the rope making list. I subbed to it after I bought a
rope maker at an auction. Now all I need to do is find the time to learn
how to use it.I bought a book on it from Lehman's, and even read it, but
that is as far as I got with it.
Joe
--- Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Howdy Folks,   
>   Would 80 wt gear lube be the right lube to put back in there?
>    


Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 15 16:13:09 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:13:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
In-Reply-To: <84350.64373.qm@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <232631.97799.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

OK Joe,
  Just where do I find 600W stean cylinder oil????
   
  About making rope.
  Go here and print out a copy of the very book that came with every New Era machine.
  http://www.wctatel.net/web/equityrealty/InstructionNewEraRopeMachine.html
  What kind of machine did you get.
   
  Kinda funny to read this right now as my gals, (Wife & Daughter) are right here next to me wanting me to get off this thing and go make some ropes. 8>))
   
  I have been thinking about emailing you.
  I have a corn sheller here that I picked up for Steve Barr.
  Recently Steve told me that you had mentioned that you might come on over here to the Buckley Old Engine Show this year.
  Is that really true ????
  That would be great to have you visit for our 40th show.

Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  I would use 600W steam cylinder oil in it. Worm gear boxes often are
filled with it, which is the only reason it is still made.
I see you posting on the rope making list. I subbed to it after I bought a
rope maker at an auction. Now all I need to do is find the time to learn
how to use it.I bought a book on it from Lehman's, and even read it, but
that is as far as I got with it.
Joe
--- Alan Bowen wrote:

> Howdy Folks, 
> Would 80 wt gear lube be the right lube to put back in there?
> 


Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
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From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Fri Jun 15 17:05:01 2007
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:05:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Everyone's at Coolsprings
Message-ID: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>

Wish I was at Cool Springs.  Sad thing is I'll be in Carlisle PA the following week.

Joe Maurer


From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Jun 15 18:11:46 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:11:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Everyone's at Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
References: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070615211022.02f06c70@pop3.wcoil.com>

Joe even most sad is the fact that I could have went with Mark (I've not 
been to Coolsprings yet!) but chose to stay home and run business, which 
means no break from the Maytags!!! EEEK  LOL
Christine Shulaw


At 08:05 PM 6/15/07, you wrote:
>Wish I was at Cool Springs.  Sad thing is I'll be in Carlisle PA the 
>following week.
>
>Joe Maurer
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
No Sunday calls if possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Jun 15 18:58:13 2007
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:58:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Everyone's at Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
Message-ID: <751957.74668.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe

That means that we will miss you at the Sandwich, IL show June 23-24.

I too did not make CPM this year....Maybe in the fall....

Steve
--- Joe & Jewel Maurer <toadhill at aeroinc.net> wrote:

Wish I was at Cool Springs.  Sad thing is I'll be in Carlisle PA the
following week.

Joe Maurer



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Fri Jun 15 18:59:49 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:59:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] seeking public vintage tractor collection - around Illawarra
Message-ID: <46734415.1030809@steamengine.com.au>

Can anyone help with this? Reply to me directly please and I'll forward 
to Nicole.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Vintage tractor collection - unclassified
Date: 	Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:05:04 +1200
From: 	MUNRO-JOHNSON NICOLE, MRS <NICOLE.MUNRO-JOHNSON at XXX>
To: 	<paulp at steamengine.com.au>



Hi Paul,

I obtained your email address from the Steam Engine website and am 
hoping you can help with my enquiry. 

My grandfather is a huge tractor fan and for his 80th birthday in July 
we want to take him to a good vintage tractor collection.  He is based 
in Illawarra, and we don't want to travel more than 4 hours or so.  Do 
you know of a good collection nearby? 

I have searched online and found one in Gunnedah, and although it 
professes to be the best collection, I wanted a second opinion!

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards,

Nicole Munro-Johnson

*Nicole Munro-Johnson*



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jun 15 20:04:55 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:04:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Everyone's at Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <751957.74668.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
	<751957.74668.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070615220311.01cceca8@mail.alltel.net>


It's COOLSPRING, not COOLSPRINGS (there is ONLY one of them) but what the 
hell all of you that are not there are missing a GREAT show!
	Dave



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 16 04:47:16 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:47:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson pump jack part needed
Message-ID: <061620071147.26658.4673CDC400054CA600006822219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

I am looking for the flat detent spring that adjusts the timing on my Fuller & 
Johnson pump jack engine.  Mine is the one with battery and buzz coil style.
thankyou in advance.
Curt Andree


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jun 16 10:45:43 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:45:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
References: <84350.64373.qm@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV1004931A73D032EA7D202BB1D0@phx.gbl>

Joe..I've got a manual for the New Era..scanned and ready if I had your 
email.

RickinMt.


> I see you posting on the rope making list. I subbed to it after I bought a
> rope maker at an auction. Now all I need to do is find the time to learn
> how to use it.I bought a book on it from Lehman's, and even read it, but
> that is as far as I got with it.
> Joe 



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jun 17 04:03:12 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:03:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam
Message-ID: <20070617110258.EYEQ26563.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>


It is a little quiet at the moment so I thought I should post something to
show there is still life out here.
Today is Cam's birthday, so Happy Birthday Cam!


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jun 17 04:39:36 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:39:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam
References: <20070617110258.EYEQ26563.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000601c7b0d4$2ff529e0$d4ee683a@Edd>

Good on ya mate!!!!!Have a good one.!!!!!!.HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATE.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam


>
> It is a little quiet at the moment so I thought I should post something to
> show there is still life out here.
> Today is Cam's birthday, so Happy Birthday Cam!
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jun 17 04:52:00 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:52:00 +0800
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
Message-ID: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>


Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;

After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop 
over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon 
our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I 
remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and 
how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging 
paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.

Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been 
banned by now".

(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for 
a good reason, but I am no chemist.)

BUT . . .

Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
the old products had most undesirable side-effects?

Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents 
and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they 
became "acid free".

Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium 
cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all 
worked very well.

Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.

My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely 
ineffective.

JW?



From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sun Jun 17 06:14:11 2007
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:14:11 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam
Message-ID: <d61.ae6da4f.33a68da3@aol.com>

All the best Cam and many more


Peter Woodmore. 
peterwoodmore at aol.com
Skype name Woadmere   



From falcon at telenet.net  Sun Jun 17 07:24:34 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:24:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <46754422.6070802@telenet.net>



Jack Watson wrote:
> Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;
> 
> After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop 
> over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon 
> our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I 
> remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and 
> how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging 
> paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.
> 
> Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been 
> banned by now".
> 
> (I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for 
> a good reason, but I am no chemist.)
> 
> BUT . . .
> 
> Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
> replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
> the old products had most undesirable side-effects?
> 
> Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
> out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
> substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
> thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents 
> and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they 
> became "acid free".
> 
> Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
> now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium 
> cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all 
> worked very well.
> 
> Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
> exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
> all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
> around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
> they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
> given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.
> 
> My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely 
> ineffective.
> 
> JW?
> 

I agree with removing a product from consumer use If it has been proven 
to cause serious problems AND there is a suitable replacement. The huge 
problem is that many products are banned using junk testing methods and 
poor science.

  Look through some of the tests they use and you will find out that 
most of the products have been tested using outrageous amounts on the 
test subject. Triclor is a good one- The testing used rats and the 
"researchers" found that constant exposure caused problems. The 
"constant exposure" they used on the rats was by shaving their fur and 
wetting the same spots with triclor and not cleaning or even letting it 
evaporate off. The amount they determined to be a problem would be 
equivalent to a normal human taking a bath daily for two years....

Take a look at the testing done on lead. The amounts I have seen stated 
as causing problems in children (No noted effect on people over 10-12 
years unless they get shot with a lead bullet) means your kid must have 
eaten a gallon of paint per day for a week!


-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York
NRA Member
Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
he'd have become a vegan.


From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Jun 17 07:40:01 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:40:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <0JJS0015BBG0QRI9@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

Usually the whacko liberals and their 
enviro-hysteria are what causes a lot of good 
things to go away.  "This product has been known 
to the state of Kalifornia to cause 
cancer."  Remember, in Kalifornia EVERYTHING is 
known to cause cancer!  I think there should be a 
disclaimer that the state of Kalifornia has been known to cause idiocy.

Although Asbestos and lead definitely got canned 
for good reason, I think the modern 2 part epoxy 
paints are very good, as well as lead free 
gasoline.  Hardened valve seats and guides have 
fixed most of the problems associated with 
lead-free gas.  As far as brakes go, the newer 
ceramic pads are probably the best thing to come 
along.  They don't tear up rotors, don't heat 
fade very much, and don't leave nasty black dust all over your wheels.

-Tony


At 06:52 AM 6/17/2007, you wrote:

>Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;
>
>After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
>over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
>our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
>remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
>how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
>paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.
>
>Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
>banned by now".
>
>(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
>a good reason, but I am no chemist.)
>
>BUT . . .
>
>Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
>replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
>the old products had most undesirable side-effects?
>
>Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
>out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
>substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
>thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
>and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
>became "acid free".
>
>Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
>now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
>cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
>worked very well.
>
>Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
>exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
>all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
>around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
>they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
>given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.
>
>My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
>ineffective.
>
>JW?
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Jun 17 08:13:32 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 16:13:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <004401c7b0f2$128c7e80$e5c30b52@no1>


Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!



Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;

After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.

Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
banned by now".

(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
a good reason, but I am no chemist.)

BUT . . .

Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
the old products had most undesirable side-effects?

Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
became "acid free".

Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
worked very well.

Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.

My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
ineffective.

JW?


My main gripe with the "Safety" lobby is the banning of BCF extinguishers.
The slight risk to health by BCF in negligable compared with the saving of lives from fire.
BCF & similar liquid extinguishers were far better than the current dry powder type.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net  Sun Jun 17 08:41:28 2007
From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:41:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Interesting Paint Job at Coolspring
Message-ID: <032001c7b0f5$f8a5a5b0$3a52bc4c@pengy>


I saw this Reid while at Coolspring.  

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2670059790033749120XjeiTw

I didn't get a chance to ask the owner of the engine how he managed to get this type of finish.  It doesn't look like traditional paint, it looks more like the graphite coating that is used on steam locomotive smokeboxes.  Anyone have an idea as to how this finish can be achieved? 

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH 44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org




From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net  Sun Jun 17 08:53:31 2007
From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:53:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>

Products were initially developed without consideration for health effects. 
The most suitable material was found to do a certain task and that was it. 
Now that "health effects" are factored in those products found most suitable 
must now be judged by their supposed health impacts.  Compromises must be 
made and part of the compromise is that the products no longer work as well 
as they did.  The other compromise is that they are more expensive. Seems 
like all the compromising is being done by the consumer!

We must all remember that the environmental movement sees humanity as a 
blight on the earth.  Their ultimate goal is to see humanity either 
destroyed or revert to pre industrial revolution status. If you view their 
actions in that context then what they do makes sense. You then see that 
they practice incrementalism and are very patient in reaching their goals.

Rick

P.S.  Who is to say that global warming is a bad thing?  Greenland was named 
GREENland for a reason.  Go there today and you will not see much green.  I 
think we're still living in the effects of the last global cooling.

P.P.S.  Who is to say that the current climate is the optimal climate for 
the Earth?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!



Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;

After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.

Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
banned by now".

(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
a good reason, but I am no chemist.)

BUT . . .

Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
the old products had most undesirable side-effects?

Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
became "acid free".

Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
worked very well.

Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.

My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
ineffective.

JW?

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun 17 09:59:28 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:59:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam
References: <20070617110258.EYEQ26563.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000601c7b0d4$2ff529e0$d4ee683a@Edd>
Message-ID: <002a01c7b100$df2db720$240110ac@FAMILY>

Hey Happy Birthday Cam, glad to see that you made another one, now just 50 
more to go.

Happy Birthday,

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam


> Good on ya mate!!!!!Have a good one.!!!!!!.HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATE.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:03 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam
>
>
>>
>> It is a little quiet at the moment so I thought I should post something 
>> to
>> show there is still life out here.
>> Today is Cam's birthday, so Happy Birthday Cam!
>>
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From don.h at wcoil.com  Sun Jun 17 10:28:30 2007
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:28:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Interesting Paint Job at Coolspring
References: <032001c7b0f5$f8a5a5b0$3a52bc4c@pengy>
Message-ID: <000401c7b104$ec940e60$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498>

Rick that look just like the paint I,m using on my Cushman wheels?? Its a 
paint for car rims after I did all of the rims and stuff I went to the 
Cushman show and found out it was to dark a finish A number of years ago 
when we sold paint in our store here in Ottawa  ppg made a spray ( rattle ) 
can paint for cast iron or should I say it was a paint to use on items to 
get the new cast iron look that was ok I,v been away from the paint business 
to long to no if its still around!! Try out your local PPG store or someone 
that carries the good paint and you will get a good selection plus free help 
!!! not the oh the paint is over there stuff you get from the box 
stores.Sorry to say but the good old merchants are being run out by all the 
junk stuff on the market today.  Don in Ottawa
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <rowlands1941 at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Interesting Paint Job at Coolspring


>
> I saw this Reid while at Coolspring.
>
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2670059790033749120XjeiTw
>
> I didn't get a chance to ask the owner of the engine how he managed to get 
> this type of finish.  It doesn't look like traditional paint, it looks 
> more like the graphite coating that is used on steam locomotive 
> smokeboxes.  Anyone have an idea as to how this finish can be achieved?
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Foundation
> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH 44505
> 330-272-4089
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 17 19:04:36 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:04:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Paint Job at Coolspring
Message-ID: <BAY127-F285D7075E52883E0CA957BCB130@phx.gbl>

Rick, this looks like a spray coating labeled "stainless steel".  This spray 
coating doesn't look much like stainless steel, but it does look like your 
picture.
I've used it to semi-match SS plumbing fittings.

http://www.steel-it.com/poly.htm


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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun 17 12:43:26 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:43:26 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
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JW Couldnt agree with you more i still am looking for a good alternative for
cleaning the gunk off old moters that are caked in layers of grease even
steam cleaning doent remove all the grease still have to pick it off with a
scaper and wash down with petrol.Have tried  modern citrus flavours cleaners
it just doesnt work unless you leave parts soaking for a while not always
practical.Speaking of paints i recently came across an old tin of roof paint
never been opened i think made late 40s-50s the red barn type variety after
stirring it up you could see it had white lead and linseed oil and red
pigments but it is the best paint to work with i painted an old truck cab
its slow drying easy to touch up i brush painted cant see the brush marks
can see the grinding marks underneath though and covers brilliantly.That was
the only paint i had but it looks really good these paints were more in
keeping with the old coach paints which were more linseed oil based i have
recipes on different paints. 
Its interesting but did you realise if the ice melts thats in the sea the
water level will drop its a proven fact that ice occupies more room than
water.It puzzles me that people dont realise this....brent nz  
 
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 3:54 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Products were initially developed without consideration for health effects. 
The most suitable material was found to do a certain task and that was it. 
Now that "health effects" are factored in those products found most suitable

must now be judged by their supposed health impacts.  Compromises must be 
made and part of the compromise is that the products no longer work as well 
as they did.  The other compromise is that they are more expensive. Seems 
like all the compromising is being done by the consumer!

We must all remember that the environmental movement sees humanity as a 
blight on the earth.  Their ultimate goal is to see humanity either 
destroyed or revert to pre industrial revolution status. If you view their 
actions in that context then what they do makes sense. You then see that 
they practice incrementalism and are very patient in reaching their goals.

Rick

P.S.  Who is to say that global warming is a bad thing?  Greenland was named

GREENland for a reason.  Go there today and you will not see much green.  I 
think we're still living in the effects of the last global cooling.

P.P.S.  Who is to say that the current climate is the optimal climate for 
the Earth?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!



Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;

After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.

Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
banned by now".

(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
a good reason, but I am no chemist.)

BUT . . .

Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
the old products had most undesirable side-effects?

Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
became "acid free".

Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
worked very well.

Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.

My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
ineffective.

JW?

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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sun Jun 17 19:19:16 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (pjp at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:19:16 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
	<032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>
Message-ID: <21724.203.39.62.50.1182133156.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>

Rick, I suspect that the CHEAPER alternative was the one chosen, not so
much the most effective known at the time. Many of the health effects of
the products used were known at the time of initial marketing. Asbestos is
one of those - the manufacturers knew, they just didn't tell anyone - that
is why people make money from compo claims. If the manufacturer of the
product tells you their product will make you sick and it subsequently
does because you didn't follow the MSDS then you cannot claim anything.

Paul

> Products were initially developed without consideration for health
> effects.
> The most suitable material was found to do a certain task and that was it.
> Now that "health effects" are factored in those products found most
> suitable
> must now be judged by their supposed health impacts.




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jun 17 19:45:26 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:45:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <002d01c7b117$c8206980$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
	<032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>
	<002d01c7b117$c8206980$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <1e173cf81c8a65b7767d5a39ad0c12fb@chartertn.net>

> Its interesting but did you realise if the ice melts thats in the sea 
> the
> water level will drop its a proven fact that ice occupies more room 
> than
> water.It puzzles me that people dont realise this....brent nz

Ah, but ice caps on continental land masses like Greenland and 
Antarctica, when they melt and run into the sea, do raise the sea 
level. It's not all floating on sea water.

I like the idea of rising sea level. Shorter drive to the beach.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sun Jun 17 19:58:20 2007
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:58:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
Message-ID: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>

 
John,
That's right, lots of fresh water to run into the sea when the ice caps melt, 
that is, the ones resting on land.  Just think, the melting fresh water will 
dilute the mineral content of the sea water making it less dense so ships will 
either have to carry lighter loads or set deeper into the water.  If it 
weren't for the rise in sea level, some of these ships might run aground so it 
works out pretty well, don't you think?
Ron
In a message dated 6/17/2007 9:51:42 PM Central Daylight Time, 
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:

Ah, but ice caps on continental land masses like Greenland and 
Antarctica, when they melt and run into the sea, do raise the sea 
level. It's not all floating on sea water.

I like the idea of rising sea level. Shorter drive to the beach.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA





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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jun 17 20:52:23 2007
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:52:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam
References: <20070617110258.EYEQ26563.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <00ac01c7b15c$15fa47e0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6>

To all those who sent me Birthday greetings, I thank you very much. They are 
starting to creep up on me a bit. Cheers Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy birthday Cam


>
> It is a little quiet at the moment so I thought I should post something to
> show there is still life out here.
> Today is Cam's birthday, so Happy Birthday Cam!
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Jun 17 20:56:45 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:56:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070615220311.01cceca8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
	<751957.74668.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070615220311.01cceca8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070617233551.02efd740@pop3.wcoil.com>

For those of you who seen it, The Buffalo Springfield roller is out of the 
ditch and back into its barn safe and sound with no apparent damage. Just 
some scraped paint to the undercarriage. Can't say the same for a few trees 
though, GRINNNN.  After its extracation from the low lands it was checked 
over thoroughly and it was deemed safe to fire it up and it was driven to 
the barn under its own power like nothing ever happened. The extraction was 
accomplished with the Museums Military duce and a half wrecker and the Cat 
D8 and a crew of dedicated workers.  Four hours total work. Alls well that 
ends well.                      Mark 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun 17 21:08:42 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:08:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070617233551.02efd740@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>	<751957.74668.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20070615220311.01cceca8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070617233551.02efd740@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4676054A.6040401@scrtc.com>

Mark,
    I didn't hear about the roller mishap.  What happened?  It was 
rolling around the grounds when I left on Friday.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>For those of you who seen it, The Buffalo Springfield roller is out of the 
>ditch and back into its barn safe and sound with no apparent damage. Just 
>some scraped paint to the undercarriage. Can't say the same for a few trees 
>though, GRINNNN.  After its extracation from the low lands it was checked 
>over thoroughly and it was deemed safe to fire it up and it was driven to 
>the barn under its own power like nothing ever happened. The extraction was 
>accomplished with the Museums Military duce and a half wrecker and the Cat 
>D8 and a crew of dedicated workers.  Four hours total work. Alls well that 
>ends well.                      Mark 
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jun 17 21:11:11 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:11:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>

Well, for that matter, I can drive down to the beach and jump in and 
cause the sea level to rise.

John

On Jun 17, 2007, at 10:58 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

>
> John,
> That's right, lots of fresh water to run into the sea when the ice 
> caps melt,
> that is, the ones resting on land.  Just think, the melting fresh 
> water will
> dilute the mineral content of the sea water making it less dense so 
> ships will
> either have to carry lighter loads or set deeper into the water.  If it
> weren't for the rise in sea level, some of these ships might run 
> aground so it
> works out pretty well, don't you think?
> Ron


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Jun 17 22:14:43 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:14:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <4676054A.6040401@scrtc.com>
References: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
	<751957.74668.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070615220311.01cceca8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070617233551.02efd740@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<4676054A.6040401@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070618010245.02eff730@pop3.wcoil.com>

To make a long story short and simple,  the roller got stuck in the deep 
ditch on the way up the hill to the Snow construction site. And with 
something as large and heavy as a roller combined with a deep ditch its not 
a simple chain a tractor to it and drag it out kinda operation. And to make 
matters worse the clutch on the D8 was acting up due to lack of use and 
took some effort by the boys to get it working well enough to 
use.       TTYL,  Mark



At 12:08 AM 6/18/07, you wrote:
>Mark,
>     I didn't hear about the roller mishap.  What happened?  It was
>rolling around the grounds when I left on Friday.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
> >For those of you who seen it, The Buffalo Springfield roller is out of the
> >ditch and back into its barn safe and sound with no apparent damage. Just
> >some scraped paint to the undercarriage. Can't say the same for a few trees
> >though, GRINNNN.  After its extracation from the low lands it was checked
> >over thoroughly and it was deemed safe to fire it up and it was driven to
> >the barn under its own power like nothing ever happened. The extraction was
> >accomplished with the Museums Military duce and a half wrecker and the Cat
> >D8 and a crew of dedicated workers.  Four hours total work. Alls well that
> >ends well.                      Mark
> >
> >
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun 17 23:05:42 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:05:42 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
	<98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <004401c7b16e$b458dcf0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause more evaporation so less
water in the oceans its all theretical?? The climate is cyclic in another
1000 years it will probably be an ice age then after another 1000yers it
will be sausage just kidding. brent




.Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 4:11 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Well, for that matter, I can drive down to the beach and jump in and 
cause the sea level to rise.

John

On Jun 17, 2007, at 10:58 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

>
> John,
> That's right, lots of fresh water to run into the sea when the ice 
> caps melt,
> that is, the ones resting on land.  Just think, the melting fresh 
> water will
> dilute the mineral content of the sea water making it less dense so 
> ships will
> either have to carry lighter loads or set deeper into the water.  If it
> weren't for the rise in sea level, some of these ships might run 
> aground so it
> works out pretty well, don't you think?
> Ron


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun 17 23:06:55 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:06:55 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
	<98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <004801c7b16e$e006a800$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

John no bombers though we dont need tidal waves..  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 4:11 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Well, for that matter, I can drive down to the beach and jump in and 
cause the sea level to rise.

John

On Jun 17, 2007, at 10:58 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

>
> John,
> That's right, lots of fresh water to run into the sea when the ice 
> caps melt,
> that is, the ones resting on land.  Just think, the melting fresh 
> water will
> dilute the mineral content of the sea water making it less dense so 
> ships will
> either have to carry lighter loads or set deeper into the water.  If it
> weren't for the rise in sea level, some of these ships might run 
> aground so it
> works out pretty well, don't you think?
> Ron


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun 17 23:17:21 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:17:21 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <0JJS0015BBG0QRI9@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
	<0JJS0015BBG0QRI9@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
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Organo phosphates are becoming a thing of the past some of the chemicals we
used to sell at our rural supplies business i am pleased we dont sell
anymore 20 years ago we were selling tear gas from ww1 to fumigate grain
silos brings tears to the eyes just thinking about it imagine a 20 ltr drum
leaking in a city area today imagine the fallout.Another chemical metasystox
taken off the market a systemic insecticide if it spilt down a persons back
could cause paralysis so in some cases better that these substances are gone
the big issue is often not the products but common sense use of the
product.In hazardous chemicals such as the above they need to be resticted
to specialised licenced users like they do with explosives...brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 2:40 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Usually the whacko liberals and their 
enviro-hysteria are what causes a lot of good 
things to go away.  "This product has been known 
to the state of Kalifornia to cause 
cancer."  Remember, in Kalifornia EVERYTHING is 
known to cause cancer!  I think there should be a 
disclaimer that the state of Kalifornia has been known to cause idiocy.

Although Asbestos and lead definitely got canned 
for good reason, I think the modern 2 part epoxy 
paints are very good, as well as lead free 
gasoline.  Hardened valve seats and guides have 
fixed most of the problems associated with 
lead-free gas.  As far as brakes go, the newer 
ceramic pads are probably the best thing to come 
along.  They don't tear up rotors, don't heat 
fade very much, and don't leave nasty black dust all over your wheels.

-Tony


At 06:52 AM 6/17/2007, you wrote:

>Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;
>
>After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
>over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
>our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
>remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
>how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
>paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.
>
>Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
>banned by now".
>
>(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
>a good reason, but I am no chemist.)
>
>BUT . . .
>
>Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
>replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
>the old products had most undesirable side-effects?
>
>Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
>out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
>substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
>thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
>and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
>became "acid free".
>
>Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
>now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
>cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
>worked very well.
>
>Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
>exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
>all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
>around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
>they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
>given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.
>
>My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
>ineffective.
>
>JW?
>
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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 01:20:27 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:20:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Austral Water Valve
In-Reply-To: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
Message-ID: <836624.20853.qm@web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Calling on all Aussies.
Before I set about making one has anyone got a spare
brass Austral water non return valve for sale.
it is off a 8hp, the brass block is 70 mm wide.

Thanks for looking

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz


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From kimmell at verizon.net  Mon Jun 18 03:01:06 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 05:01:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <004401c7b16e$b458dcf0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
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At 01:05 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause more evaporation so less
>water in the oceans its all theretical?? The climate is cyclic in another
>1000 years it will probably be an ice age then after another 1000yers it
>will be sausage just kidding. brent

Yeah but the liberals don't want to hear anything that might be close 
to "facts".  After all, liberals don't know what to do with FACTS!

-Tony



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jun 18 03:25:13 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:25:13 +0800
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com><98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net><004401c7b16e$b458dcf0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<0JJT009UMT7LOZR4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <000701c7b192$f9391dc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Who are these so called Liberals...........I get the impression that you do 
not see ''Eye to Eye '' with them.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!


> At 01:05 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>>Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause more evaporation so 
>>less
>>water in the oceans its all theretical?? The climate is cyclic in another
>>1000 years it will probably be an ice age then after another 1000yers it
>>will be sausage just kidding. brent
>
> Yeah but the liberals don't want to hear anything that might be close
> to "facts".  After all, liberals don't know what to do with FACTS!
>
> -Tony
>
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Mon Jun 18 04:47:15 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:47:15 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <0JJT009UMT7LOZR4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
	<98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>
	<004401c7b16e$b458dcf0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<0JJT009UMT7LOZR4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <002201c7b19e$6ae9ba00$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

There are so many red herrings in regard this whole global warming did you
know there has been technology around for the last 40 -50 years on
alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to the
environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by fuel
companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as they were
potentially damaging to there business.Some of these engines that ran on
water or special carbys that increased or simple mods done on moters they
most are patented.One of the areas i am interested in is steam cars i
suspected that the doble car could have really taken off given the
availability of new materials that are stronger and lighter its a pity that
more money wasnt put into there development.I like the concept of them very
few controls silent running water fumes out the exhaust in the early days of
steam cars they often werent allowed in hill climb races because they
outperformed the petrol cars of the day.Also one of the first land speed
records was held by a steam car back in 1906 or there abouts over 100mph The
latest car i have heard of is a multi fueled car that runs on compressed air
similar concept to the early hot air engines very high efficiency fuel
consumption has the potential to make new cars look like dinosaurs as so
efficient good thing it is like driving a normal car no loss in
power.Currently being produced in india.heres the link   
http://www.indranet.co.nz/ there is a movie of the actual engine they have
designed.Will be interesting to see whether it is allowed to get off the
ground most of these are shut down fairly quickly by those in power.
There are lots of alternatives out there to reduce global warming the
problem is we are told what they want us to believe.We dont have to.. 

    

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 10:01 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

At 01:05 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause more evaporation so less
>water in the oceans its all theretical?? The climate is cyclic in another
>1000 years it will probably be an ice age then after another 1000yers it
>will be sausage just kidding. brent

Yeah but the liberals don't want to hear anything that might be close 
to "facts".  After all, liberals don't know what to do with FACTS!

-Tony

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Mon Jun 18 05:02:32 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:02:32 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <0JJT009UMT7LOZR4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <002b01c7b1a0$8d7f1c70$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

At the end of the day everyone is entitled to their opinion it is a
constitutional right in your country the problem is that the minority hold
the power you can call them liberals greenies whatever label but the stateof
the nation is such that the average person in the street is not heard any
more its happening here over the smacking bill for example i certainly dont
support child abuse but currently any parent who disciplines a child by
smacking can be arrested for breaking the law now the majority 75% of people
voted against it and it was still accepted by parliament its a mockery of
the system so where is the fairness or logic of that..Anyway enough of
politics my next speel includes conspiracy theorys ,new technology
breakthrough and the wonders of steam travel...    


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 10:01 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

At 01:05 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause more evaporation so less
>water in the oceans its all theretical?? The climate is cyclic in another
>1000 years it will probably be an ice age then after another 1000yers it
>will be sausage just kidding. brent

Yeah but the liberals don't want to hear anything that might be close 
to "facts".  After all, liberals don't know what to do with FACTS!

-Tony

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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 18 05:21:45 2007
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:21:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1182009602.26661.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-F40978EA705A1F73B76F56BC7130@phx.gbl>

Assuming that you have a worm gear box (you probably do) then Joe is 
correct.  Steam Cyl oil and worm gear oil are the same thing.  In the steam 
hobby sometimes we have to ask for worm gear oil when we are looking for 
steam cylinder oil.  Refineries are still making cyl oil for worm gear 
boxes.  There is not enough demand for cyl oil for steam engines to keep 
making it.  I would look for worm/steam cyl oil at an industial supply or 
oil jobber.

>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <84350.64373.qm at web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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>I would use 600W steam cylinder oil in it. Worm gear boxes often are
>filled with it, which is the only reason it is still made.
>I see you posting on the rope making list. I subbed to it after I bought a
>rope maker at an auction. Now all I need to do is find the time to learn
>how to use it.I bought a book on it from Lehman's, and even read it, but
>that is as far as I got with it.
>Joe
>--- Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Howdy Folks,
> >   Would 80 wt gear lube be the right lube to put back in there?

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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 05:38:19 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 05:38:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <002b01c7b1a0$8d7f1c70$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <86709.2444.qm@web35409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There is a list that some of us are on called SLICK
that is where this belongs

Joining the Slick List is done by sending an email to:
 
slick-request at toltbbs.com
 
with only:
 
subscribe
 
in the subject and/or the body of the message.


Kerry


--- "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
wrote:

> At the end of the day everyone is entitled to their
> opinion it is a
> constitutional right in your country the problem is
> that the minority hold
> the power you can call them liberals greenies
> whatever label but the stateof
> the nation is such that the average person in the
> street is not heard any
> more its happening here over the smacking bill for
> example i certainly dont
> support child abuse but currently any parent who
> disciplines a child by
> smacking can be arrested for breaking the law now
> the majority 75% of people
> voted against it and it was still accepted by
> parliament its a mockery of
> the system so where is the fairness or logic of
> that..Anyway enough of
> politics my next speel includes conspiracy theorys
> ,new technology
> breakthrough and the wonders of steam travel...    
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On
> Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
> Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 10:01 p.m.
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
> 
> At 01:05 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
> >Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause
> more evaporation so less
> >water in the oceans its all theretical?? The
> climate is cyclic in another
> >1000 years it will probably be an ice age then
> after another 1000yers it
> >will be sausage just kidding. brent
> 
> Yeah but the liberals don't want to hear anything
> that might be close 
> to "facts".  After all, liberals don't know what to
> do with FACTS!
> 
> -Tony
> 
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun 18 06:16:34 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:16:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Interesting Paint Job at Coolspring
In-Reply-To: <032001c7b0f5$f8a5a5b0$3a52bc4c@pengy>
References: <032001c7b0f5$f8a5a5b0$3a52bc4c@pengy>
Message-ID: <467685B2.2070704@imc-group.com>

Rick,
What came to mind when I looked at the picture is a paint called cast 
iron paint. That's available in a spray bomb. It looks like it was then 
sprayed with a durable clear coat .
Curt

Rick Rowlands wrote:
> I saw this Reid while at Coolspring.  
>
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2670059790033749120XjeiTw
>
> I didn't get a chance to ask the owner of the engine how he managed to get this type of finish.  It doesn't look like traditional paint, it looks more like the graphite coating that is used on steam locomotive smokeboxes.  Anyone have an idea as to how this finish can be achieved? 
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Foundation
> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH 44505
> 330-272-4089
> www.todengine.org
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From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 18 06:18:35 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:18:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au><032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>
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Get some Greased lightning at your local grocery  store. It only takes a 
minute and the grease just washes off, all of it. They even have some orange 
which you canuse on painted surfaces. it removes old ploish so you can apply 
new. It says to not use on aluminum but it does'nt seem to bother it as the 
action only takes a few minutes to work.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!


JW Couldnt agree with you more i still am looking for a good alternative for
cleaning the gunk off old moters that are caked in layers of grease even
steam cleaning doent remove all the grease still have to pick it off with a
scaper and wash down with petrol.Have tried  modern citrus flavours cleaners
it just doesnt work unless you leave parts soaking for a while not always
practical.Speaking of paints i recently came across an old tin of roof paint
never been opened i think made late 40s-50s the red barn type variety after
stirring it up you could see it had white lead and linseed oil and red
pigments but it is the best paint to work with i painted an old truck cab
its slow drying easy to touch up i brush painted cant see the brush marks
can see the grinding marks underneath though and covers brilliantly.That was
the only paint i had but it looks really good these paints were more in
keeping with the old coach paints which were more linseed oil based i have
recipes on different paints.
Its interesting but did you realise if the ice melts thats in the sea the
water level will drop its a proven fact that ice occupies more room than
water.It puzzles me that people dont realise this....brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 3:54 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Products were initially developed without consideration for health effects.
The most suitable material was found to do a certain task and that was it.
Now that "health effects" are factored in those products found most suitable

must now be judged by their supposed health impacts.  Compromises must be
made and part of the compromise is that the products no longer work as well
as they did.  The other compromise is that they are more expensive. Seems
like all the compromising is being done by the consumer!

We must all remember that the environmental movement sees humanity as a
blight on the earth.  Their ultimate goal is to see humanity either
destroyed or revert to pre industrial revolution status. If you view their
actions in that context then what they do makes sense. You then see that
they practice incrementalism and are very patient in reaching their goals.

Rick

P.S.  Who is to say that global warming is a bad thing?  Greenland was named

GREENland for a reason.  Go there today and you will not see much green.  I
think we're still living in the effects of the last global cooling.

P.P.S.  Who is to say that the current climate is the optimal climate for
the Earth?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!



Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;

After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.

Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
banned by now".

(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
a good reason, but I am no chemist.)

BUT . . .

Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
the old products had most undesirable side-effects?

Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
became "acid free".

Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
worked very well.

Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.

My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
ineffective.

JW?

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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 18 07:24:05 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:24:05 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <002201c7b19e$6ae9ba00$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
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> there has been technology around for the last 40 -50 years on
> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to the
> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by  
> fuel
> companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as  
> they were
> potentially damaging to there business.


Brent,
Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head  
and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the  
List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling you  
out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.

You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of the  
top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).

1.  Name the technology.

2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,  
the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw  
materials to energy.

3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.

4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?

5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent YOU  
from utilizing these technologies.

There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will  
surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to  
enlighten us with facts.

Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em  
thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your  
contentions.

Rob






From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Jun 18 07:41:17 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:41:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Interesting Paint Job at Coolspring
In-Reply-To: <467685B2.2070704@imc-group.com>
References: <032001c7b0f5$f8a5a5b0$3a52bc4c@pengy>
	<467685B2.2070704@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <4676998D.1090000@telenet.net>

Yep, the stuff that Eastwood http://www.eastwoodco.com
sells as Spray Gray looks like that if you shoot clear over it.

Curt wrote:
> Rick,
> What came to mind when I looked at the picture is a paint called cast 
> iron paint. That's available in a spray bomb. It looks like it was then 
> sprayed with a durable clear coat .
> Curt
> 
> Rick Rowlands wrote:
>> I saw this Reid while at Coolspring.  
>>
>> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2670059790033749120XjeiTw
>>
>> I didn't get a chance to ask the owner of the engine how he managed to get this type of finish.  It doesn't look like traditional paint, it looks more like the graphite coating that is used on steam locomotive smokeboxes.  Anyone have an idea as to how this finish can be achieved? 
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> Tod Engine Foundation
>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>> Youngstown, OH 44505
>> 330-272-4089
>> www.todengine.org
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>   


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 18 08:34:54 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:34:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <9873AF8B-D90C-4980-8459-31E3773566FE@rustyiron.com>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
	<98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>
	<004401c7b16e$b458dcf0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<0JJT009UMT7LOZR4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
	<002201c7b19e$6ae9ba00$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<9873AF8B-D90C-4980-8459-31E3773566FE@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181126180.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>

Rob,

Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can possibly
comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...

Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the ability
to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be secret
technologies now would they?

A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take this
thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, I've cc'd
Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription info
for those willing to jump into the pool.

How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased by
Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
So much to discuss...  So little time...

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:

> > there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
> > alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to the
> > environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by
> > fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as
> > they were potentially damaging to there business.
>
> Brent,
> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head
> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling you
> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
>
> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of the
> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
>
> 1.  Name the technology.
>
> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,
> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
> materials to energy.
>
> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
>
> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
>
> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent YOU
> from utilizing these technologies.
>
> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will
> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
> enlighten us with facts.
>
> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
> contentions.



From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Mon Jun 18 08:01:21 2007
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:01:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <9873AF8B-D90C-4980-8459-31E3773566FE@rustyiron.com>
References: <d37.bc4eeb4.33a74ecc@aol.com>
	<98c4535e68e456ad456bdbcff7b1a5f1@chartertn.net>
	<004401c7b16e$b458dcf0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<0JJT009UMT7LOZR4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
	<002201c7b19e$6ae9ba00$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<9873AF8B-D90C-4980-8459-31E3773566FE@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <web-431604667@mail.hal-pc.org>

Rob,

I hope you aren't holding your breath waiting for anything of 
substance here.

tom

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:24:05 -0700
  Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> 
>> there has been technology around for the last 40 -50 years on
>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to 
>>the
>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by 
>> 
>> fuel
>> companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as  
>> they were
>> potentially damaging to there business.
> 
> 
> Brent,
> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head 
> 
> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the  
> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling 
>you  
> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
> 
> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of 
>the  
> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
> 
> 1.  Name the technology.
> 
> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power, 
> 
> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw  
> materials to energy.
> 
> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
> 
> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
> 
> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent 
>YOU  
> from utilizing these technologies.
> 
> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will 
> 
> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to  
> enlighten us with facts.
> 
> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em  
> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your  
> contentions.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 18 08:12:53 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181126180.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both companies!

Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.

We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy Converter.
No plans on releasing it as yet.


See ya,
Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#


On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Rob,
> 
> Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can possibly
> comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
> 
> Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the ability
> to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be secret
> technologies now would they?
> 
> A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take this
> thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, I've cc'd
> Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription info
> for those willing to jump into the pool.
> 
> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased by
> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
> So much to discuss...  So little time...
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
> 
>>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
>>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to the
>>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by
>>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as
>>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
>> 
>> Brent,
>> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head
>> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
>> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling you
>> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
>> 
>> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of the
>> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
>> 
>> 1.  Name the technology.
>> 
>> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,
>> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
>> materials to energy.
>> 
>> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
>> 
>> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
>> 
>> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent YOU
>> from utilizing these technologies.
>> 
>> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will
>> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
>> enlighten us with facts.
>> 
>> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
>> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
>> contentions.
> 
> To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to slick-request at toltbbs.com
> with the word "LEAVE"  in the Subject, with no other text. No SIGs!




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun 18 08:17:23 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:17:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw/info wanted on steam lube vs.
 regular lube.
In-Reply-To: <BAY141-F40978EA705A1F73B76F56BC7130@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY141-F40978EA705A1F73B76F56BC7130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4676A203.3070601@imc-group.com>

Andy,
Since you are a notable steam guru (enjoyed hearing your steamer belted 
to the fans at Evansville!) could you enlighten us on what makes a steam 
cylinder oil vs. regular old oil? I've wondered about this since my 
early days playing with a Wilesco steam engine. Does steam oil need to 
be misable (sp?) with water to be effective in a steam engine? Or is 
that the last quality you want as the steam would wash the oil out? Does 
steam oil have tackifiers in it to keep it "stuck" to the cylinder 
walls? I do recall reading old engine manuals, and I recall them being 
very specific about NOT using steam cylinder oil in the cylinder drip 
oiler. I'd really appreciate knowing what makes each unique.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Andy Glines wrote:
> Assuming that you have a worm gear box (you probably do) then Joe is 
> correct. Steam Cyl oil and worm gear oil are the same thing. In the 
> steam hobby sometimes we have to ask for worm gear oil when we are 
> looking for steam cylinder oil. Refineries are still making cyl oil 
> for worm gear boxes. There is not enough demand for cyl oil for steam 
> engines to keep making it. I would look for worm/steam cyl oil at an 
> industial supply or oil jobber.
>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw.
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Message-ID: <84350.64373.qm at web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> I would use 600W steam cylinder oil in it. Worm gear boxes often are
>> filled with it, which is the only reason it is still made.
>> I see you posting on the rope making list. I subbed to it after I 
>> bought a
>> rope maker at an auction. Now all I need to do is find the time to learn
>> how to use it.I bought a book on it from Lehman's, and even read it, but
>> that is as far as I got with it.
>> Joe
>> --- Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Howdy Folks,
>> > Would 80 wt gear lube be the right lube to put back in there?
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 18 09:16:35 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:16:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181212220.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>

Dear Big Oil Bit%#:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:

> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both companies!

Its GOOD to be da king...

> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy Converter.
> No plans on releasing it as yet.

BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a few
bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
8-))

See ya,  Arnie

> See ya,
> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#

> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased by
> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)



From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 18 08:45:40 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:45:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
References: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181212220.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel subject for a degreaser 
( not an immigration slur) that is readily available to get grease off old 
engines? Huh?
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent


> Dear Big Oil Bit%#:
>
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>
>> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both 
>> companies!
>
> Its GOOD to be da king...
>
>> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy 
>> Converter.
>> No plans on releasing it as yet.
>
> BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
> graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a few
> bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
> 8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>> See ya,
>> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>
>> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased 
>> > by
>> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>
> To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to slick-request at toltbbs.com
> with the word "LEAVE"  in the Subject, with no other text. No SIGs!
>
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 18 09:34:18 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:34:18 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
References: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181212220.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <B7F6DF9D-5E08-4C09-BBEF-0B077F6F23A9@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 18, 2007, at 8:45 AM, Skip Cleveland wrote:

> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel
> subject for a degreaser ( not an immigration slur) that
> is readily available to get grease off old engines? Huh?
> Skip

Hi Skip,
Yes, some one noticed.  For thick goop, a scraper works nice, plastic  
if you want to be kind to what lies beneath.

For seriously heavy cleaning, nothing beats gasoline and a scrub  
brush.  The downside is that it stains your clothes, your skin, and  
if you blow up, it's very unpleasant.

For my day to day cleaning, I'm sold on Simple Green Crystal.  It's  
clear and doesn't have the fragrance as the green colored stuff.  It  
cleans up everything from heavy gear oil, to light dirt, all without  
damaging paint.  What's amazing is that it's not hazardous to your  
health, yet it works so well.

Rob









From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 18 11:13:17 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:13:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F36ED84518FBE927B9D180495130@phx.gbl>

Isn't it strange that we've heard nothing from Mike"Big Oil"Royster? Maybe 
he bought up some of those patents himself !  Probably why he wasn't in Cool 
Spring with the rest of us, he was researching patents that might steal some 
of his profits.  Look out Kelley !
                           Steve the good Royster!


>From: Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "slick at toltbbs.com" <slick at toltbbs.com>,        SEL 
><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
>
>Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both companies!
>
>Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.
>
>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy 
>Converter.
>No plans on releasing it as yet.
>
>
>See ya,
>Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>
>
>On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
> > Rob,
> >
> > Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can possibly
> > comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
> >
> > Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the 
>ability
> > to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be secret
> > technologies now would they?
> >
> > A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take this
> > thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, I've 
>cc'd
> > Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription info
> > for those willing to jump into the pool.
> >
> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased 
>by
> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
> > So much to discuss...  So little time...
> >
> > See ya,  Arnie
> >
> > Arnie Fero
> > Pittsburgh, PA
> > fero_ah at city-net.com
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
> >
> >>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
> >>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to the
> >>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by
> >>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as
> >>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
> >>
> >> Brent,
> >> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head
> >> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
> >> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling you
> >> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
> >>
> >> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of the
> >> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
> >>
> >> 1.  Name the technology.
> >>
> >> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,
> >> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
> >> materials to energy.
> >>
> >> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
> >>
> >> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
> >>
> >> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent YOU
> >> from utilizing these technologies.
> >>
> >> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will
> >> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
> >> enlighten us with facts.
> >>
> >> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
> >> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
> >> contentions.
> >
> > To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to slick-request at toltbbs.com
> > with the word "LEAVE"  in the Subject, with no other text. No SIGs!
>
>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 18 11:33:03 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:33:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need address
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F36ED84518FBE927B9D180495130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F24CFD00FE489CFA6978EFC95130@phx.gbl>

Help! I need Mike O'Malley's e-mail address if anyone has it. Thanks , steve


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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 18 12:26:00 2007
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:26:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw/info wanted on steam lube vs.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1182182402.14370.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-F338C12C3EF57541D5BA42FC7130@phx.gbl>

Thanks to all of the SEL folks who attended the Classic Iron show.  Sorry 
that I didn't get over to visit much.  I did manage to keep pretty busy 
though.  I would be careful about using words like "notable" and "guru" when 
referring to me if I were you.  As explained to me at the Pawnee Steam 
School, the primary thing that makes Steam Cylinder Oil special is the 
addition of animal fat to the formula.  Beef tallow is usually used.  The 
addition of the tallow allows the oil to emulsify with the steam.  Cyl oil 
is injected ahead of the throttle.  Injecting the oil here allows it to 
lubricate the throttle valve, governor, slide valve, and piston.  One of the 
ways that we confirm that oil is being injected and emulisified is to check 
the condensate from the cylinder cocks.  Condensate should be milky and look 
like coffee with a lot of creamer in it.
>Message: 30
>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:17:23 -0400
>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw/info wanted on steam
>	lube vs. regular lube.

>Andy,
>Since you are a notable steam guru (enjoyed hearing your steamer belted
>to the fans at Evansville!) could you enlighten us on what makes a steam
>cylinder oil vs. regular old oil? I've wondered about this since my
>early days playing with a Wilesco steam engine. Does steam oil need to
>be misable (sp?) with water to be effective in a steam engine? Or is
>that the last quality you want as the steam would wash the oil out? Does
>steam oil have tackifiers in it to keep it "stuck" to the cylinder
>walls? I do recall reading old engine manuals, and I recall them being
>very specific about NOT using steam cylinder oil in the cylinder drip
>oiler. I'd really appreciate knowing what makes each unique.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>Andy Glines wrote:
> > Assuming that you have a worm gear box (you probably do) then Joe is
> > correct. Steam Cyl oil and worm gear oil are the same thing. In the
> > steam hobby sometimes we have to ask for worm gear oil when we are
> > looking for steam cylinder oil. Refineries are still making cyl oil
> > for worm gear boxes. There is not enough demand for cyl oil for steam
> > engines to keep making it. I would look for worm/steam cyl oil at an
> > industial supply or oil jobber.

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Mon Jun 18 12:38:19 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:38:19 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <86709.2444.qm@web35409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <002b01c7b1a0$8d7f1c70$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
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Thanks...brent

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Morris
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:38 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

There is a list that some of us are on called SLICK
that is where this belongs

Joining the Slick List is done by sending an email to:
 
slick-request at toltbbs.com
 
with only:
 
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in the subject and/or the body of the message.


Kerry


--- "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
wrote:

> At the end of the day everyone is entitled to their
> opinion it is a
> constitutional right in your country the problem is
> that the minority hold
> the power you can call them liberals greenies
> whatever label but the stateof
> the nation is such that the average person in the
> street is not heard any
> more its happening here over the smacking bill for
> example i certainly dont
> support child abuse but currently any parent who
> disciplines a child by
> smacking can be arrested for breaking the law now
> the majority 75% of people
> voted against it and it was still accepted by
> parliament its a mockery of
> the system so where is the fairness or logic of
> that..Anyway enough of
> politics my next speel includes conspiracy theorys
> ,new technology
> breakthrough and the wonders of steam travel...    
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On
> Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
> Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 10:01 p.m.
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
> 
> At 01:05 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
> >Another fact wouldnt all this global warming cause
> more evaporation so less
> >water in the oceans its all theretical?? The
> climate is cyclic in another
> >1000 years it will probably be an ice age then
> after another 1000yers it
> >will be sausage just kidding. brent
> 
> Yeah but the liberals don't want to hear anything
> that might be close 
> to "facts".  After all, liberals don't know what to
> do with FACTS!
> 
> -Tony
> 
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 18 13:55:40 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:55:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <C29C3F5C.1C80C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Degreaser.  Use Easy Off oven cleaner.  If you want to keep the paint, do
not let it sit too long.

There used to be a bunch of great petroleum products that were a fine
degreaser.  Too bad they have been removed from the market 'cause people
didn't wear gloves and then sued due to their health problems (whether it
was from the product or not (or other stoopidity factors such as constant
inhalation without proper ventilation, flammability issues - think Wile E.
Coyote, etc)


On 6/18/07 8:45 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel subject for a degreaser
> ( not an immigration slur) that is readily available to get grease off old
> engines? Huh?
> Skip
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: <slick at toltbbs.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> 
> 
>> Dear Big Oil Bit%#:
>> 
>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>> 
>>> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>>> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>>> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
>>> companies!
>> 
>> Its GOOD to be da king...
>> 
>>> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>>> Converter.
>>> No plans on releasing it as yet.
>> 
>> BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
>> graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a few
>> bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
>> 8-))
>> 
>> See ya,  Arnie
>> 
>>> See ya,
>>> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>> 
>>> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>>> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased
>>>> by
>>>> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>> 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jun 18 15:44:47 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:44:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070618010245.02eff730@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <005401c7afa9$fc3a6e10$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
	<751957.74668.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070615220311.01cceca8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070617233551.02efd740@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<4676054A.6040401@scrtc.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070618010245.02eff730@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070618174206.01ed45a8@mail.alltel.net>

To make a long story short and true, the roller operator attempted to shift 
gears going up hill. He got the roller out of one gear but was not able to 
get it in another. The roller has no breaks, thus it rolled down hill and 
into the ditch. Damn lucky no one was hurt or killed!
         Dave

At 12:14 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>To make a long story short and simple,  the roller got stuck in the deep
>ditch on the way up the hill to the Snow construction site. And with
>something as large and heavy as a roller combined with a deep ditch its not
>a simple chain a tractor to it and drag it out kinda operation. And to make
>matters worse the clutch on the D8 was acting up due to lack of use and
>took some effort by the boys to get it working well enough to
>use.       TTYL,  Mark
>
>
>
>At 12:08 AM 6/18/07, you wrote:
> >Mark,
> >     I didn't hear about the roller mishap.  What happened?  It was
> >rolling around the grounds when I left on Friday.
> >
> >Tommy Turner
> >Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> > >For those of you who seen it, The Buffalo Springfield roller is out of the
> > >ditch and back into its barn safe and sound with no apparent damage. Just
> > >some scraped paint to the undercarriage. Can't say the same for a few 
> trees
> > >though, GRINNNN.  After its extracation from the low lands it was checked
> > >over thoroughly and it was deemed safe to fire it up and it was driven to
> > >the barn under its own power like nothing ever happened. The 
> extraction was
> > >accomplished with the Museums Military duce and a half wrecker and the Cat
> > >D8 and a crew of dedicated workers.  Four hours total work. Alls well that
> > >ends well.                      Mark
> > >
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Mon Jun 18 15:23:48 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:23:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181126180.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0JJU00BKARKN47D8@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

At 10:12 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy Converter.
>No plans on releasing it as yet.


You mean I won't be able to one day run my DeLorean on banana peels 
and beer cans???  You guys are such a buzz-kill...

-Tony



From mtnviewfarm at hughes.net  Mon Jun 18 16:44:16 2007
From: mtnviewfarm at hughes.net (mtnviewfarm)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:44:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <00b001c7b202$9970e560$0500a8c0@Hugh>

reply


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Mon Jun 18 17:30:29 2007
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:30:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
Message-ID: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>

I was recently at a show next to a hot air engine with lots of linkage.  The owner and I got to talking and we wound up with a oil question.  
when the linkage is oiled it later weeps out black even though their is no combustion nearby and it is in a clean location.  The things that were lubed were a steel pin through a brass link. Why does the oil turn black when dirt does not appear to be a factor?  

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net


From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Jun 18 17:36:09 2007
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:36:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
Message-ID: <d60.ab8a994.33a87ef9@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/18/2007 7:31:26 PM Central Daylight Time, 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes:

Why does the oil turn black when dirt does not appear to be a factor? 

Hi Jim,
I will speculate that when metal is broken down to the molecular level and is 
in the oil, it absorbs rather than reflects light.  Consider how when you are 
polishing brass or aluminum that the polishing rag turns black no matter the 
color of the metal you are polishing.  Polishing removes minute amounts of 
metal smoothing the surface and improving the reflective quality.
 
Your mileage may vary.
 
Regards,
Ron Carroll
 
 
 



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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Mon Jun 18 17:46:49 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:46:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need address
References: <BAY144-F24CFD00FE489CFA6978EFC95130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000801c7b20b$53ae8880$4de7123f@D8LJ7K91>

Steve,

Mike O'Malley's email is harvardpower at aol.com

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need address


> Help! I need Mike O'Malley's e-mail address if anyone has it. Thanks , 
> steve
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jun 18 18:52:54 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:52:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
In-Reply-To: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
References: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070618204712.01ee9cf0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Jim,
         I once asked the same question to an old oil man, John Fankhauser. 
Knowing that I was totally ignorant of chemistry (unlike Twin) he was clear 
and succinct in his answer. He simply said "It's magic!"
         Dave
PS, Hope this helps!

At 07:30 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
>I was recently at a show next to a hot air engine with lots of 
>linkage.  The owner and I got to talking and we wound up with a oil question.
>when the linkage is oiled it later weeps out black even though their is no 
>combustion nearby and it is in a clean location.  The things that were 
>lubed were a steel pin through a brass link. Why does the oil turn black 
>when dirt does not appear to be a factor?
>Jim and Diane Kirkes



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jun 18 18:26:18 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:26:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
In-Reply-To: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
References: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <2464ddf1de0c515570d5f8433cd57ff2@chartertn.net>

Jim, this typically happens when the oil is working in boundary layer 
lubrication conditions. The metal parts are separated by a film of oil, 
but the microscopic peaks of the metal surfaces protrude through the 
oil and come in contact with each other, causing friction and tiny 
pieces of metal breaking off and going into suspension in the oil. 
Those suspended particles look black. They also act as oxidizing 
catalysts producing pigmented hydrocarbon derivatives, and if the 
moving parts have much pressure on them, the opposing peaks weld 
together momentarily and break apart producing localized hot spots that 
can produce free carbon and metallic carbides. Really hot.

A graduate of Bob's Quantum School of Mechanics might be able to 
mathematically explain the intense local concentration of heat in 
relatively cool running bearings (think of the application of the total 
frictional heat dissipation over the vanishingly tiny part of the total 
area that's actually occupied by these tiny peaks and you'd be on the 
right track), but John Fankhauser's "Magic" explanation works quite 
well enough.

John

On Jun 18, 2007, at 8:30 PM, JIM KIRKES wrote:

> I was recently at a show next to a hot air engine with lots of 
> linkage.  The owner and I got to talking and we wound up with a oil 
> question.
> when the linkage is oiled it later weeps out black even though their 
> is no combustion nearby and it is in a clean location.  The things 
> that were lubed were a steel pin through a brass link. Why does the 
> oil turn black when dirt does not appear to be a factor?
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jun 18 19:04:11 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:04:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
References: <BAY144-F36ED84518FBE927B9D180495130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003601c7b216$21710c70$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Okay, okay!   It's true I am part of the "big oil consortium" and we do sit 
around in smoke filled rooms drinking 100 year old scotch and planning your 
demise.  Just last week, a young fellow brought in an engine that ran on bad 
information!  OH MY GOSH!  Do you know how much bad information is out 
there?  Did you know it is FREE?  Well me and the boys quickly called our 
connections at Black Op, and before you can say 99 cent regular, we did the 
stop, drop and roll drill and he was part of the new bridge on the I-95 
connector.

I'd like to tell you more, but then I'd have to ki--, well, you know the 
drill.

Sleep tight,  I'm putting regular in the premium tank tomorrow!!  You'll 
never know!  Oh my gosh, I just kill me!!!!!!!!

Steve (the bad) Royster


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent


> Isn't it strange that we've heard nothing from Mike"Big Oil"Royster? Maybe
> he bought up some of those patents himself !  Probably why he wasn't in 
> Cool
> Spring with the rest of us, he was researching patents that might steal 
> some
> of his profits.  Look out Kelley !
>                           Steve the good Royster!
>
>
>>From: Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: "slick at toltbbs.com" <slick at toltbbs.com>,        SEL
>><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
>>
>>Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>>It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>>Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both 
>>companies!
>>
>>Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.
>>
>>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>>Converter.
>>No plans on releasing it as yet.
>>
>>
>>See ya,
>>Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>>
>>
>>On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Rob,
>> >
>> > Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can possibly
>> > comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
>> >
>> > Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the
>>ability
>> > to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be secret
>> > technologies now would they?
>> >
>> > A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take this
>> > thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, I've
>>cc'd
>> > Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription 
>> > info
>> > for those willing to jump into the pool.
>> >
>> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased
>>by
>> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>> > So much to discuss...  So little time...
>> >
>> > See ya,  Arnie
>> >
>> > Arnie Fero
>> > Pittsburgh, PA
>> > fero_ah at city-net.com
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
>> >
>> >>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
>> >>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to 
>> >>> the
>> >>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by
>> >>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as
>> >>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
>> >>
>> >> Brent,
>> >> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head
>> >> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
>> >> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling you
>> >> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
>> >>
>> >> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of the
>> >> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
>> >>
>> >> 1.  Name the technology.
>> >>
>> >> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,
>> >> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
>> >> materials to energy.
>> >>
>> >> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
>> >>
>> >> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
>> >>
>> >> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent YOU
>> >> from utilizing these technologies.
>> >>
>> >> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will
>> >> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
>> >> enlighten us with facts.
>> >>
>> >> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
>> >> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
>> >> contentions.
>> >
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 18:51:13 2007
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:51:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Gear Lube for Power Bandsaw/info wanted on steam lube vs.
In-Reply-To: <BAY141-F338C12C3EF57541D5BA42FC7130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <890652.13756.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Curt,
I am surprised that you had not encountered steam cylinder oil in worm
gear boxes. A good treatise on the subject can be found here:
http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/misc/steam-oil-hwade.htm

Many of the steam cylinder oils now offered are blended with a "synthetic
tallow" instead of animal fat. For the stationary engines, I actually
prefer 460w since it feeds easier through a hydrostatic lubricator at the
lower pressures we run. Most girder frame and bayonet frame corliss
engines were made to run at 80 to 100 psi, it was not until the late
1890's that pressures crept past 100 psi. We like to run about 50 psi
since they don't release quite as early and are a little less violent in
their motion. Conoco Inca-Oil 460 is the brand I prefer.

Mobil 600w steam cylinder oil can be purchased in quarts and gallons from
Motion Industries, a chain of industrial supply stores located throughout
the country and formerly known as Wisconsin Bearing. I get all my
bearings, belting, oils and greases through them. I also buy babbit bars
and bronze bushings from them. Ask for the "Boston Bronze" catalog which
features finished and semi-finished bronze bushings from the Boston Gear
Co., usually I can buy a finished bushing for less than it would cost me
for a cored chunk of bearing bronze from which to turn one.

Next, have you heard of DTE? Dynamo, Engine and Turbine oil? Something
else pretty common in industry that is a bit of a throwback to the
Edwardian era.

Joe


Joe Prindle
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From JR504 at aol.com  Mon Jun 18 19:18:44 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:18:44 EDT
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
Message-ID: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>

 
It's funny you say that.  I was giving a talk on Biodiesel at a  regional 
alternative energy fair and there was a guy there promoting a system  that uses 
the alternator to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, and then  plumbs it at 
low pressure into the intake manifold, claiming power and mileage  benefits.  
When I questioned how the tailpipe emissions could  possibly be oxygen (my 
combustion chemistry must be getting fuzzy) he got  pretty cranky.  He bashed my 
lack of vision saying I was the kind of guy  that stood in the way of energy 
progress.  Well, I ended up saying that I  had a vision of a car that ran on 
grass clippings and emitted ice cream (to  consume on the trip, you know)...but 
that didn't mean it could happen  someday.  As you might imagine, we're not 
buddies now.  
As long as there are people to listen, there will be people talking about  
free energy and 100 MPG carburetors.  Hopefully us nay-sayers and  repressors 
don't discourage someone from inventing the REAL flux capacitor.  :-)
 
Joe
 
In a message dated 6/18/2007 6:32:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kimmell at verizon.net writes:

You mean  I won't be able to one day run my DeLorean on banana peels 
and beer  cans???  You guys are such a  buzz-kill...

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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun 18 19:19:22 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:19:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
References: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <03b401c7b218$425b2fe0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Its all that free carbon we are causing by existing!!!
It just gets everywhere!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JIM KIRKES" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question


>I was recently at a show next to a hot air engine with lots of linkage. 
>The owner and I got to talking and we wound up with a oil question.
> when the linkage is oiled it later weeps out black even though their is no 
> combustion nearby and it is in a clean location.  The things that were 
> lubed were a steel pin through a brass link. Why does the oil turn black 
> when dirt does not appear to be a factor?
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 18 20:02:24 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:02:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
Message-ID: <410-2200762193224968@earthlink.net>

Very interesting Steve, now tell me the truth about what happened to my
Perpetual Motion Engine that you borrowed for research?

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/18/2007 9:12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>
> Okay, okay!   It's true I am part of the "big oil consortium" and we do
sit 
> around in smoke filled rooms drinking 100 year old scotch and planning
your 
> demise.  Just last week, a young fellow brought in an engine that ran on
bad 
> information!  OH MY GOSH!  Do you know how much bad information is out 
> there?  Did you know it is FREE?  Well me and the boys quickly called our 
> connections at Black Op, and before you can say 99 cent regular, we did
the 
> stop, drop and roll drill and he was part of the new bridge on the I-95 
> connector.
>
> I'd like to tell you more, but then I'd have to ki--, well, you know the 
> drill.
>
> Sleep tight,  I'm putting regular in the premium tank tomorrow!!  You'll 
> never know!  Oh my gosh, I just kill me!!!!!!!!
>
> Steve (the bad) Royster
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>
>
> > Isn't it strange that we've heard nothing from Mike"Big Oil"Royster?
Maybe
> > he bought up some of those patents himself !  Probably why he wasn't in 
> > Cool
> > Spring with the rest of us, he was researching patents that might steal 
> > some
> > of his profits.  Look out Kelley !
> >                           Steve the good Royster!
> >
> >
> >>From: Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
> >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>To: "slick at toltbbs.com" <slick at toltbbs.com>,        SEL
> >><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> >>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
> >>
> >>Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
> >>It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
> >>Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both 
> >>companies!
> >>
> >>Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.
> >>
> >>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
> >>Converter.
> >>No plans on releasing it as yet.
> >>
> >>
> >>See ya,
> >>Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
> >>
> >>
> >>On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Rob,
> >> >
> >> > Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can possibly
> >> > comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
> >> >
> >> > Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the
> >>ability
> >> > to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be
secret
> >> > technologies now would they?
> >> >
> >> > A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take
this
> >> > thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, I've
> >>cc'd
> >> > Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription 
> >> > info
> >> > for those willing to jump into the pool.
> >> >
> >> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline? 
(Purchased
> >>by
> >> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
> >> > So much to discuss...  So little time...
> >> >
> >> > See ya,  Arnie
> >> >
> >> > Arnie Fero
> >> > Pittsburgh, PA
> >> > fero_ah at city-net.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
> >> >>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to 
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by
> >> >>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government
as
> >> >>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
> >> >>
> >> >> Brent,
> >> >> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head
> >> >> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
> >> >> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling
you
> >> >> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
> >> >>
> >> >> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of
the
> >> >> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
> >> >>
> >> >> 1.  Name the technology.
> >> >>
> >> >> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,
> >> >> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
> >> >> materials to energy.
> >> >>
> >> >> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
> >> >>
> >> >> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
> >> >>
> >> >> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent
YOU
> >> >> from utilizing these technologies.
> >> >>
> >> >> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will
> >> >> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
> >> >> enlighten us with facts.
> >> >>
> >> >> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
> >> >> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
> >> >> contentions.
> >> >
> >> > To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to slick-request at toltbbs.com
> >> > with the word "LEAVE"  in the Subject, with no other text. No SIGs!
> >>
> >>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jun 18 20:13:52 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:13:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
References: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
Message-ID: <369f34f3315a1f5b0cb75dd4ff28f037@chartertn.net>

Well, at any rate, I plan to go to North Myrtle Beach in August and 
produce some transient rises in the sea level.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jun 18 20:18:20 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:18:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
In-Reply-To: <03b401c7b218$425b2fe0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
	<03b401c7b218$425b2fe0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <a665b4771c0a3163fa083f2920ca86d9@chartertn.net>

Free carbon? Caused by existing? You've gone to talking about those 
diamonds on the pretty women, now haven't you, Reg?

(Nobody's giving me any free carbon just for existing.) :-(

John

On Jun 18, 2007, at 10:19 PM, R & M Ingold wrote:

> Its all that free carbon we are causing by existing!!!
> It just gets everywhere!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jun 18 21:25:51 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:25:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -
Message-ID: <bc1.161e1ee3.33a8b4cf@aol.com>

 
Hi List,
This has been a very interesting thread.  It reminds me of  a tale about a 
joke played on a fellow worker at Convair at  Lancaster, California in 1958.  
This gentleman purchased a new Nash  Metropolitan.  It was a small two passenger 
automobile.  He bought it  for gas mileage and to drive to work.  The Convair 
facilities were located  at Air force Plant 42 located several miles from 
Lancaster, California.   This person bragged so much about how cheap this car was 
on gas that the rest of  his fellow workers decided he needed to be taught a 
lesson.  One of the fellow workers suggested that several  people chip in and 
buy some gasoline to put in his new car to really increase  his "gas mileage" 
without his knowledge.  Yes, it was  decided (about 10 or 12 people 
participated) to do  it.  As more gasoline was slipped into his fuel tank, the more he  
bragged about getting excellent mileage.
About this time stories of the hi-mileage per gallon  carburetors were 
circulating among the public.  With the extra  gasoline being put into this 
braggart's Metropolitan, he was  experiencing some great mileage in comparison to what 
other Metropolitan owners  were getting.  The jokesters start telling him 
that Nash had made a mistake  and accidentally installed one of these carburetors 
on his car.  In those  days, new cars had to be returned to the dealership at 
500 miles to change the  oil.  When this person took his Metropolitan to the 
dealer for the oil  change and minor adjustments, the jokesters stopped 
putting extra gas  in his car.  Needless to say, when the mileage went down 
drastically, he  started to complain to the dealer and the factory representative.  
The  jokesters kept egging him on by saying that the dealer was probably  
directed by the factory to exchange the carburetor as the factory made a error  on 
his car by installing this high mileage producing carburetor during  assembly.  
 
Since I can't validate if this narrative is true,  I call it  fairy tale.
 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca





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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Mon Jun 18 23:47:00 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:47:00 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <005201c7b1ab$2d9baed0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
References: <46752060.4090609@optusnet.com.au>
	<032901c7b0f7$a7e7de70$3a52bc4c@pengy>
	<002d01c7b117$c8206980$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
	<005201c7b1ab$2d9baed0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <00aa01c7b23d$a394dde0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

The product sounds really good not one i have heard of here what active does
it use to remove the grease as maybe able to use something equivalent have
tried various agents from solvents to alkaline agents.Varying results the
best i found so far is the solvents but open to new ideas the greased
lightening sounds great.thanks skip.  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Skip Cleveland
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 1:19 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Get some Greased lightning at your local grocery  store. It only takes a 
minute and the grease just washes off, all of it. They even have some orange

which you canuse on painted surfaces. it removes old ploish so you can apply

new. It says to not use on aluminum but it does'nt seem to bother it as the 
action only takes a few minutes to work.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!


JW Couldnt agree with you more i still am looking for a good alternative for
cleaning the gunk off old moters that are caked in layers of grease even
steam cleaning doent remove all the grease still have to pick it off with a
scaper and wash down with petrol.Have tried  modern citrus flavours cleaners
it just doesnt work unless you leave parts soaking for a while not always
practical.Speaking of paints i recently came across an old tin of roof paint
never been opened i think made late 40s-50s the red barn type variety after
stirring it up you could see it had white lead and linseed oil and red
pigments but it is the best paint to work with i painted an old truck cab
its slow drying easy to touch up i brush painted cant see the brush marks
can see the grinding marks underneath though and covers brilliantly.That was
the only paint i had but it looks really good these paints were more in
keeping with the old coach paints which were more linseed oil based i have
recipes on different paints.
Its interesting but did you realise if the ice melts thats in the sea the
water level will drop its a proven fact that ice occupies more room than
water.It puzzles me that people dont realise this....brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 3:54 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Products were initially developed without consideration for health effects.
The most suitable material was found to do a certain task and that was it.
Now that "health effects" are factored in those products found most suitable

must now be judged by their supposed health impacts.  Compromises must be
made and part of the compromise is that the products no longer work as well
as they did.  The other compromise is that they are more expensive. Seems
like all the compromising is being done by the consumer!

We must all remember that the environmental movement sees humanity as a
blight on the earth.  Their ultimate goal is to see humanity either
destroyed or revert to pre industrial revolution status. If you view their
actions in that context then what they do makes sense. You then see that
they practice incrementalism and are very patient in reaching their goals.

Rick

P.S.  Who is to say that global warming is a bad thing?  Greenland was named

GREENland for a reason.  Go there today and you will not see much green.  I
think we're still living in the effects of the last global cooling.

P.P.S.  Who is to say that the current climate is the optimal climate for
the Earth?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!



Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;

After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.

Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
banned by now".

(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
a good reason, but I am no chemist.)

BUT . . .

Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
the old products had most undesirable side-effects?

Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
became "acid free".

Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
worked very well.

Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.

My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
ineffective.

JW?

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 00:17:52 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:17:52 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <C29C3F5C.1C80C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
	<C29C3F5C.1C80C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <00ab01c7b241$f3c1ef20$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Thanks for the tip will try the oven cleaner sounds good brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kelley Garcia
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 8:56 a.m.
To: SEL
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent

Degreaser.  Use Easy Off oven cleaner.  If you want to keep the paint, do
not let it sit too long.

There used to be a bunch of great petroleum products that were a fine
degreaser.  Too bad they have been removed from the market 'cause people
didn't wear gloves and then sued due to their health problems (whether it
was from the product or not (or other stoopidity factors such as constant
inhalation without proper ventilation, flammability issues - think Wile E.
Coyote, etc)


On 6/18/07 8:45 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel subject for a
degreaser
> ( not an immigration slur) that is readily available to get grease off old
> engines? Huh?
> Skip
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: <slick at toltbbs.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> 
> 
>> Dear Big Oil Bit%#:
>> 
>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>> 
>>> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>>> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>>> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
>>> companies!
>> 
>> Its GOOD to be da king...
>> 
>>> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>>> Converter.
>>> No plans on releasing it as yet.
>> 
>> BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
>> graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a
few
>> bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
>> 8-))
>> 
>> See ya,  Arnie
>> 
>>> See ya,
>>> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>> 
>>> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>>> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased
>>>> by
>>>> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>> 
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 00:39:32 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:39:32 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181126180.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c7b244$fade9580$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Thanks Rob I sent my email to the link you suggested its not so much that
the information is secret it just isnt widely known its almost mythical i
have the info regarding the 115 mile per gallon carby it was a trial done
with a buick back in 1950 the original version dated back to 1920 you can
read about it at this link i found it facinating.It doesnt mention the pill
to add to water but does mention a powder its all there for your reading.  

http://befreetech.com/energysuppression.htm

brent nz
  




 
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kelley Garcia
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 3:13 a.m.
To: slick at toltbbs.com; SEL
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent

Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both companies!

Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.

We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy Converter.
No plans on releasing it as yet.


See ya,
Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#


On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Rob,
> 
> Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can possibly
> comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
> 
> Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the ability
> to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be secret
> technologies now would they?
> 
> A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take this
> thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, I've cc'd
> Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription info
> for those willing to jump into the pool.
> 
> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased by
> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
> So much to discuss...  So little time...
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
> 
>>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
>>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects to the
>>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out by
>>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government as
>>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
>> 
>> Brent,
>> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my head
>> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
>> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling you
>> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
>> 
>> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of the
>> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
>> 
>> 1.  Name the technology.
>> 
>> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of power,
>> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
>> materials to energy.
>> 
>> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
>> 
>> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
>> 
>> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent YOU
>> from utilizing these technologies.
>> 
>> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It will
>> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
>> enlighten us with facts.
>> 
>> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
>> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
>> contentions.
> 
> To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to slick-request at toltbbs.com
> with the word "LEAVE"  in the Subject, with no other text. No SIGs!


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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 00:40:36 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:40:36 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
References: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00b401c7b245$208a98b0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

To be fair that sounds a bit dodgy wouldnt think that system would generate
enough power to split the oxygen or hydrogen atoms most of the methods i
have seen rely more on resonance frequency devices to split the oxygen and
hydrogen or a chemical reaction similar to electrolysis the limiting factor
is the speed at which the hydrogen and oxygen is released.If there is any
benefit in the system with the alternater it will be from the vaporising of
the fuel by the exhaust fumes have just sent a link so you can read all
about these so called devices i will leave it to your judgement    

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 2:19 p.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent

 
It's funny you say that.  I was giving a talk on Biodiesel at a  regional 
alternative energy fair and there was a guy there promoting a system  that
uses 
the alternator to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, and then  plumbs it
at 
low pressure into the intake manifold, claiming power and mileage  benefits.

When I questioned how the tailpipe emissions could  possibly be oxygen (my 
combustion chemistry must be getting fuzzy) he got  pretty cranky.  He
bashed my 
lack of vision saying I was the kind of guy  that stood in the way of energy

progress.  Well, I ended up saying that I  had a vision of a car that ran on

grass clippings and emitted ice cream (to  consume on the trip, you
know)...but 
that didn't mean it could happen  someday.  As you might imagine, we're not 
buddies now.  
As long as there are people to listen, there will be people talking about  
free energy and 100 MPG carburetors.  Hopefully us nay-sayers and
repressors 
don't discourage someone from inventing the REAL flux capacitor.  :-)
 
Joe
 
In a message dated 6/18/2007 6:32:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kimmell at verizon.net writes:

You mean  I won't be able to one day run my DeLorean on banana peels 
and beer  cans???  You guys are such a  buzz-kill...

-Tony







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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 00:48:41 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:48:41 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -
In-Reply-To: <bc1.161e1ee3.33a8b4cf@aol.com>
References: <bc1.161e1ee3.33a8b4cf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00b601c7b246$4187eb70$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Hopefully hes not reading that thread francis that was very well done
probably still not aware of the joke you played. brent

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 4:26 p.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -

 
Hi List,
This has been a very interesting thread.  It reminds me of  a tale about a 
joke played on a fellow worker at Convair at  Lancaster, California in 1958.

This gentleman purchased a new Nash  Metropolitan.  It was a small two
passenger 
automobile.  He bought it  for gas mileage and to drive to work.  The
Convair 
facilities were located  at Air force Plant 42 located several miles from 
Lancaster, California.   This person bragged so much about how cheap this
car was 
on gas that the rest of  his fellow workers decided he needed to be taught a

lesson.  One of the fellow workers suggested that several  people chip in
and 
buy some gasoline to put in his new car to really increase  his "gas
mileage" 
without his knowledge.  Yes, it was  decided (about 10 or 12 people 
participated) to do  it.  As more gasoline was slipped into his fuel tank,
the more he  
bragged about getting excellent mileage.
About this time stories of the hi-mileage per gallon  carburetors were 
circulating among the public.  With the extra  gasoline being put into this 
braggart's Metropolitan, he was  experiencing some great mileage in
comparison to what 
other Metropolitan owners  were getting.  The jokesters start telling him 
that Nash had made a mistake  and accidentally installed one of these
carburetors 
on his car.  In those  days, new cars had to be returned to the dealership
at 
500 miles to change the  oil.  When this person took his Metropolitan to the

dealer for the oil  change and minor adjustments, the jokesters stopped 
putting extra gas  in his car.  Needless to say, when the mileage went down 
drastically, he  started to complain to the dealer and the factory
representative.  
The  jokesters kept egging him on by saying that the dealer was probably  
directed by the factory to exchange the carburetor as the factory made a
error  on 
his car by installing this high mileage producing carburetor during
assembly.  
 
Since I can't validate if this narrative is true,  I call it  fairy tale.
 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca





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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 00:52:15 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:52:15 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
References: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00b701c7b246$c1751880$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Tony i have an interesting site that will intrerest you and others is
relevant to stationary engines this time this guy is running his engine on
old vege oil he has connected a generator to it and has cut his cut his
power bill dramatically i admire his inventiveness nothing wrong with old
technology..
http://sustburbia.blogspot.com/ 

brent nz  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 2:19 p.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent

 
It's funny you say that.  I was giving a talk on Biodiesel at a  regional 
alternative energy fair and there was a guy there promoting a system  that
uses 
the alternator to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, and then  plumbs it
at 
low pressure into the intake manifold, claiming power and mileage  benefits.

When I questioned how the tailpipe emissions could  possibly be oxygen (my 
combustion chemistry must be getting fuzzy) he got  pretty cranky.  He
bashed my 
lack of vision saying I was the kind of guy  that stood in the way of energy

progress.  Well, I ended up saying that I  had a vision of a car that ran on

grass clippings and emitted ice cream (to  consume on the trip, you
know)...but 
that didn't mean it could happen  someday.  As you might imagine, we're not 
buddies now.  
As long as there are people to listen, there will be people talking about  
free energy and 100 MPG carburetors.  Hopefully us nay-sayers and
repressors 
don't discourage someone from inventing the REAL flux capacitor.  :-)
 
Joe
 
In a message dated 6/18/2007 6:32:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kimmell at verizon.net writes:

You mean  I won't be able to one day run my DeLorean on banana peels 
and beer  cans???  You guys are such a  buzz-kill...

-Tony







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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jun 19 02:04:01 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:04:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -
References: <bc1.161e1ee3.33a8b4cf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004501c7b250$c9c49560$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Oh! Thats a GOOD one!! I love it.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -


>
> Hi List,
> This has been a very interesting thread.  It reminds me of  a tale about a
> joke played on a fellow worker at Convair at  Lancaster, California in 
> 1958.
> This gentleman purchased a new Nash  Metropolitan.  It was a small two 
> passenger
> automobile.  He bought it  for gas mileage and to drive to work.  The 
> Convair
> facilities were located  at Air force Plant 42 located several miles from
> Lancaster, California.   This person bragged so much about how cheap this 
> car was
> on gas that the rest of  his fellow workers decided he needed to be taught 
> a
> lesson.  One of the fellow workers suggested that several  people chip in 
> and
> buy some gasoline to put in his new car to really increase  his "gas 
> mileage"
> without his knowledge.  Yes, it was  decided (about 10 or 12 people
> participated) to do  it.  As more gasoline was slipped into his fuel tank, 
> the more he
> bragged about getting excellent mileage.
> About this time stories of the hi-mileage per gallon  carburetors were
> circulating among the public.  With the extra  gasoline being put into 
> this
> braggart's Metropolitan, he was  experiencing some great mileage in 
> comparison to what
> other Metropolitan owners  were getting.  The jokesters start telling him
> that Nash had made a mistake  and accidentally installed one of these 
> carburetors
> on his car.  In those  days, new cars had to be returned to the dealership 
> at
> 500 miles to change the  oil.  When this person took his Metropolitan to 
> the
> dealer for the oil  change and minor adjustments, the jokesters stopped
> putting extra gas  in his car.  Needless to say, when the mileage went 
> down
> drastically, he  started to complain to the dealer and the factory 
> representative.
> The  jokesters kept egging him on by saying that the dealer was probably
> directed by the factory to exchange the carburetor as the factory made a 
> error  on
> his car by installing this high mileage producing carburetor during 
> assembly.
>
> Since I can't validate if this narrative is true,  I call it  fairy tale.
>
>
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria,  Ca
>
>
>
>
>
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From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Tue Jun 19 04:30:18 2007
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:30:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007
References: <mailman.3.1182096002.28833.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <000401c7b265$378a4cc0$0201a8c0@b21a5>

A few weeks ago the Pioneer Gas Engine Association from Marion, NY had its
annual Crank-up. I've put up some pictures; here's a link to the
thumbnails...
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/crankup2007/index.html

-Rick I.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 19 05:11:36 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:11:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Question
In-Reply-To: <2464ddf1de0c515570d5f8433cd57ff2@chartertn.net>
References: <018c01c7b209$0a7f1960$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
	<2464ddf1de0c515570d5f8433cd57ff2@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <1182255096.4677c7f841b02@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi John,

Black Magic actually...  8-))

Arnie 
Happy graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics

Quoting John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net>:

> A graduate of Bob's Quantum School of Mechanics might be able to 
> mathematically explain the intense local concentration of heat in 
> relatively cool running bearings (think of the application of the total 
> frictional heat dissipation over the vanishingly tiny part of the total 
> area that's actually occupied by these tiny peaks and you'd be on the 
> right track), but John Fankhauser's "Magic" explanation works quite 
> well enough.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2007, at 8:30 PM, JIM KIRKES wrote:
> > Why does the oil turn black when dirt does not appear to be a factor?



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jun 19 05:32:05 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:32:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007
References: <mailman.3.1182096002.28833.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<000401c7b265$378a4cc0$0201a8c0@b21a5>
Message-ID: <007901c7b270$45fba730$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Nice pics. Thanks for sharing.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007


>A few weeks ago the Pioneer Gas Engine Association from Marion, NY had its
> annual Crank-up. I've put up some pictures; here's a link to the
> thumbnails...
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/crankup2007/index.html
> 
> -Rick I.
> 
> 
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From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Tue Jun 19 08:17:21 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:17:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
References: <00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB><C29C3F5C.1C80C%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
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Message-ID: <019d01c7b284$ef6ca350$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

I put it in Google and among others, you can find it at ACE Hardware.
By the way, if you wan't to get really violent, toilet bowl cleaner works in 
just a few seconds. Great for a 5 minute clean up of a carburator. Works on 
concrete too. Will burn your skin off even faster than oven cleaner.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent


> Thanks for the tip will try the oven cleaner sounds good brent
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kelley 
> Garcia
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 8:56 a.m.
> To: SEL
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>
> Degreaser.  Use Easy Off oven cleaner.  If you want to keep the paint, do
> not let it sit too long.
>
> There used to be a bunch of great petroleum products that were a fine
> degreaser.  Too bad they have been removed from the market 'cause people
> didn't wear gloves and then sued due to their health problems (whether it
> was from the product or not (or other stoopidity factors such as constant
> inhalation without proper ventilation, flammability issues - think Wile E.
> Coyote, etc)
>
>
> On 6/18/07 8:45 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel subject for a
> degreaser
>> ( not an immigration slur) that is readily available to get grease off 
>> old
>> engines? Huh?
>> Skip
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Cc: <slick at toltbbs.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>
>>
>>> Dear Big Oil Bit%#:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>>>> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>>>> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
>>>> companies!
>>>
>>> Its GOOD to be da king...
>>>
>>>> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>>>> Converter.
>>>> No plans on releasing it as yet.
>>>
>>> BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
>>> graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a
> few
>>> bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
>>> 8-))
>>>
>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>
>>>> See ya,
>>>> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>>>
>>>> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased
>>>>> by
>>>>> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>>>
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 19 08:46:06 2007
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:46:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <019d01c7b284$ef6ca350$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <C29D484E.1C881%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Toilet bowl cleaner?  You mean Red Devil Lye?  Or the mundane Comet (and
similar products) in a squirt container?  If the latter, at least the engine
would have a nice minty aroma
-- 
Kelley



On 6/19/07 8:17 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I put it in Google and among others, you can find it at ACE Hardware.
> By the way, if you wan't to get really violent, toilet bowl cleaner works in
> just a few seconds. Great for a 5 minute clean up of a carburator. Works on
> concrete too. Will burn your skin off even faster than oven cleaner.
> Skip
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> 
> 
>> Thanks for the tip will try the oven cleaner sounds good brent
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kelley
>> Garcia
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 8:56 a.m.
>> To: SEL
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>> 
>> Degreaser.  Use Easy Off oven cleaner.  If you want to keep the paint, do
>> not let it sit too long.
>> 
>> There used to be a bunch of great petroleum products that were a fine
>> degreaser.  Too bad they have been removed from the market 'cause people
>> didn't wear gloves and then sued due to their health problems (whether it
>> was from the product or not (or other stoopidity factors such as constant
>> inhalation without proper ventilation, flammability issues - think Wile E.
>> Coyote, etc)
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/18/07 8:45 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel subject for a
>> degreaser
>>> ( not an immigration slur) that is readily available to get grease off
>>> old
>>> engines? Huh?
>>> Skip
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Cc: <slick at toltbbs.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Dear Big Oil Bit%#:
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>>>>> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
>>>>> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
>>>>> companies!
>>>> 
>>>> Its GOOD to be da king...
>>>> 
>>>>> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>>>>> Converter.
>>>>> No plans on releasing it as yet.
>>>> 
>>>> BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
>>>> graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a
>> few
>>>> bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
>>>> 8-))
>>>> 
>>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>> 
>>>>> See ya,
>>>>> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?  (Purchased
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>>>> 
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From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Tue Jun 19 09:32:18 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:32:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
References: <C29D484E.1C881%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <01cb01c7b28f$67515780$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Vanish.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelley Garcia" <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent


> Toilet bowl cleaner?  You mean Red Devil Lye?  Or the mundane Comet (and
> similar products) in a squirt container?  If the latter, at least the 
> engine
> would have a nice minty aroma
> -- 
> Kelley
>
>
>
> On 6/19/07 8:17 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> I put it in Google and among others, you can find it at ACE Hardware.
>> By the way, if you wan't to get really violent, toilet bowl cleaner works 
>> in
>> just a few seconds. Great for a 5 minute clean up of a carburator. Works 
>> on
>> concrete too. Will burn your skin off even faster than oven cleaner.
>> Skip
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "brent.tamatea" <brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>
>>
>>> Thanks for the tip will try the oven cleaner sounds good brent
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kelley
>>> Garcia
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 8:56 a.m.
>>> To: SEL
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>>
>>> Degreaser.  Use Easy Off oven cleaner.  If you want to keep the paint, 
>>> do
>>> not let it sit too long.
>>>
>>> There used to be a bunch of great petroleum products that were a fine
>>> degreaser.  Too bad they have been removed from the market 'cause people
>>> didn't wear gloves and then sued due to their health problems (whether 
>>> it
>>> was from the product or not (or other stoopidity factors such as 
>>> constant
>>> inhalation without proper ventilation, flammability issues - think Wile 
>>> E.
>>> Coyote, etc)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/18/07 8:45 AM, "Skip Cleveland" <skipcleveland at bellsouth.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel subject for a
>>> degreaser
>>>> ( not an immigration slur) that is readily available to get grease off
>>>> old
>>>> engines? Huh?
>>>> Skip
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Cc: <slick at toltbbs.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Big Oil Bit%#:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>>>>>> It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
>>>>>> companies!
>>>>>
>>>>> Its GOOD to be da king...
>>>>>
>>>>>> We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>>>>>> Converter.
>>>>>> No plans on releasing it as yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW when you ARE ready to release it, don't forget that you know a
>>>>> graduate of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics who would like to earn a
>>> few
>>>>> bucks for the Olde Engine Fund doing a little consulting on the side.
>>>>> 8-))
>>>>>
>>>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>>>
>>>>>> See ya,
>>>>>> Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline? 
>>>>>>> (Purchased
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>>>>>
>>>>> To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to slick-request at toltbbs.com
>>>>> with the word "LEAVE"  in the Subject, with no other text. No SIGs!
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 00:22:15 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:22:15 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <B7F6DF9D-5E08-4C09-BBEF-0B077F6F23A9@rustyiron.com>
References: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181212220.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
	<B7F6DF9D-5E08-4C09-BBEF-0B077F6F23A9@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <00ac01c7b242$909c5a60$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Cool i had previously looked in to simply green i actually ran the company
did you know that they use a stronger version of simply green for cleaning
up oil spills ie from tankers etc its quite a unique product. 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 4:34 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent

On Jun 18, 2007, at 8:45 AM, Skip Cleveland wrote:

> Did anyone happen to notice a suggestion on this sel
> subject for a degreaser ( not an immigration slur) that
> is readily available to get grease off old engines? Huh?
> Skip

Hi Skip,
Yes, some one noticed.  For thick goop, a scraper works nice, plastic  
if you want to be kind to what lies beneath.

For seriously heavy cleaning, nothing beats gasoline and a scrub  
brush.  The downside is that it stains your clothes, your skin, and  
if you blow up, it's very unpleasant.

For my day to day cleaning, I'm sold on Simple Green Crystal.  It's  
clear and doesn't have the fragrance as the green colored stuff.  It  
cleans up everything from heavy gear oil, to light dirt, all without  
damaging paint.  What's amazing is that it's not hazardous to your  
health, yet it works so well.

Rob







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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jun 19 13:59:46 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:59:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007
References: <mailman.3.1182096002.28833.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<000401c7b265$378a4cc0$0201a8c0@b21a5>
Message-ID: <001001c7b2b4$c4ed4550$0601a8c0@altech>

Finally a good engine show, Maytags and R&V's ;-))

Peter, Oz




>A few weeks ago the Pioneer Gas Engine Association from Marion, NY had its
> annual Crank-up. I've put up some pictures; here's a link to the
> thumbnails...
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/crankup2007/index.html
> 
> -Rick I.
> 
> 
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 19 15:56:33 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:56:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c7b242$909c5a60$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
References: <C29BEF05.1C7CF%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706181212220.69582@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<00d401c7b1bf$b966cb20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
	<B7F6DF9D-5E08-4C09-BBEF-0B077F6F23A9@rustyiron.com>
	<00ac01c7b242$909c5a60$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <12C95310-12FB-424D-A029-836DF068DCD4@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 19, 2007, at 12:22 AM, brent.tamatea wrote:

> Cool i had previously looked in to simply green i actually ran the  
> company
> did you know that they use a stronger version of simply green for  
> cleaning
> up oil spills ie from tankers etc its quite a unique product.

Hi Brent,
We use the "crystal" version at work and get it in 55 gallon drums.   
Our company is extremely safety conscious, and this is one of the few  
products that meets our strict criteria.  I still have a hard time  
accepting that something SAFE can also be EFFECTIVE.

Rob












From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 19 16:54:41 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:54:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007
In-Reply-To: <000401c7b265$378a4cc0$0201a8c0@b21a5>
Message-ID: <20070619235441.18772.qmail@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Rick,

Thanks for the pictures.
Very nice job.  I appreciate the comments with the pictures.
About the Maytag ???? picture,,,


http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/crankup2007/maytag-notsure_600.html


I suggest you go here.

http://www.maytagclub.com/

Then click on, "Restoration Info."
At that page click on, "Click Here For Gas Engine Information."
Then look at the third engine down.
There is a picture of a Maytag 82.

I hope this helps.
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan 49690
U. S. of A.







"Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com> wrote: A few weeks ago the Pioneer Gas Engine Association from Marion, NY had its
annual Crank-up. I've put up some pictures; here's a link to the
thumbnails...
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/crankup2007/index.html

-Rick I.


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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Tue Jun 19 17:16:36 2007
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:16:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -
In-Reply-To: <bc1.161e1ee3.33a8b4cf@aol.com>
References: <bc1.161e1ee3.33a8b4cf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c7b2d0$46c00700$3464a8c0@Eagle>

	There was a fellow in Findlay, Ohio back in the 60's who had a
Volkswagen Beetle who expounded on the excellent gas mileage he was getting.
His neighbors also started adding gas to his tank at night. This continued
until one of his regular maintenance visits to the dealership's service
department. Then the started to siphon gas from his tank at night.. He drove
the service department nuts for sometime demanding to know what they had
done to his car. I don't think the neighbors ever did tell him what
happened. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:26 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -

 
Hi List,
This has been a very interesting thread.  It reminds me of  a tale about a
joke played on a fellow worker at Convair at  Lancaster, California in 1958.

This gentleman purchased a new Nash  Metropolitan.  It was a small two
passenger automobile.  He bought it  for gas mileage and to drive to work.
The Convair facilities were located  at Air force Plant 42 located several
miles from 
Lancaster, California.   This person bragged so much about how cheap this
car was 
on gas that the rest of  his fellow workers decided he needed to be taught a
lesson.  One of the fellow workers suggested that several  people chip in
and buy some gasoline to put in his new car to really increase  his "gas
mileage" 
without his knowledge.  Yes, it was  decided (about 10 or 12 people
participated) to do  it.  As more gasoline was slipped into his fuel tank,
the more he bragged about getting excellent mileage.
About this time stories of the hi-mileage per gallon  carburetors were
circulating among the public.  With the extra  gasoline being put into this
braggart's Metropolitan, he was  experiencing some great mileage in
comparison to what other Metropolitan owners  were getting.  The jokesters
start telling him that Nash had made a mistake  and accidentally installed
one of these carburetors on his car.  In those  days, new cars had to be
returned to the dealership at 500 miles to change the  oil.  When this
person took his Metropolitan to the dealer for the oil  change and minor
adjustments, the jokesters stopped putting extra gas  in his car.  Needless
to say, when the mileage went down drastically, he  started to complain to
the dealer and the factory representative.  
The  jokesters kept egging him on by saying that the dealer was probably
directed by the factory to exchange the carburetor as the factory made a
error  on his car by installing this high mileage producing carburetor
during  assembly.  
 
Since I can't validate if this narrative is true,  I call it  fairy tale.
 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca





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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 04:50:12 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:50:12 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007
In-Reply-To: <000401c7b265$378a4cc0$0201a8c0@b21a5>
References: <mailman.3.1182096002.28833.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<000401c7b265$378a4cc0$0201a8c0@b21a5>
Message-ID: <001501c7b267$fed954e0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Nice pics Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick I.
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:30 p.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Pics from Pioneer Gas Engine Assn Crank-up 2007

A few weeks ago the Pioneer Gas Engine Association from Marion, NY had its
annual Crank-up. I've put up some pictures; here's a link to the
thumbnails...
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/crankup2007/index.html

-Rick I.


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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jun 19 17:57:08 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:57:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <C29D484E.1C881%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <C29D484E.1C881%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <d37e504152874e00c867e09cfce1efb2@chartertn.net>

> You mean Red Devil Lye?

Alas, it's been off the market for a few years, which has put me out of 
the soapmaking business. I've just located some new sources of lye, but 
now I have to go through a bunch of Mickey Mouse crap with faxing in 
liability releases to order it and recalculate recipes because it comes 
in different size containers.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Jun 19 19:35:58 2007
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:35:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich IL Engine Show this weekend
In-Reply-To: <d37e504152874e00c867e09cfce1efb2@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <318336.38242.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just wanted to invite all of you to the show this weekend in Sandwich, IL.
 June 23-24.  The Feature is Allis Chalmers Tractors and Baker/Monitor
Engines.  

More show information is on the club web site at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/

Click on Annual Show Information below the Club patch.

Or email me with any questoins.  I will have limited access to email after
Thursday.

Steve



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Jun 19 19:47:58 2007
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:47:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show & Auction Photos
In-Reply-To: <d37e504152874e00c867e09cfce1efb2@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <196359.73312.qm@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Since I don't want to flood the market with too many photos at one time, 
Here are links to the first several events that I took in this year.

A Friday night car cruz in my hometown of Downers Grove, IL (the suburbs
of Chicago) that featured gas engines and tractors....My Dad and I got
"Best in show trophy"  We also got invited back at the end of the summer
for the Trophy night where the top exhibit from each weekend's cruz is on
display...

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007DGCruz.htm

Auction in Lacon IL (1 mile from the show the same day as the show) which
took 2 hours to sell every thing.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007LaconAuction.htm

Show at Lacon IL

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007Lacon.htm

Oh, I forgot the toy show that has a tractor show with it in mid march in
Sublette, IL...Didn't take any photos of the toys, but did take some of
the tractors in the few spare minutes that I had as I was busy most of the
day helping a dealer sell construction models.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007Sublette.htm

And IF you didn't have enough to look at,  The auction results from North,
VA are at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007simon1.htm


Steve


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 19 20:32:57 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:32:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <d37e504152874e00c867e09cfce1efb2@chartertn.net>
References: <C29D484E.1C881%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<d37e504152874e00c867e09cfce1efb2@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <9065C1AF-1D21-4D22-A949-ECF5F79679B2@rustyiron.com>

> Alas, it's been off the market for a few years, which has put me  
> out of
> the soapmaking business. I've just located some new sources of lye,  
> but
> now I have to go through a bunch of Mickey Mouse crap with faxing in
> liability releases to order it and recalculate recipes because it  
> comes
> in different size containers.


I haven't had a good shower since I ran out of your soap
from the last time you auctioned it off at the Back Forty.




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jun 19 21:20:36 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:20:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <9065C1AF-1D21-4D22-A949-ECF5F79679B2@rustyiron.com>
References: <C29D484E.1C881%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
	<d37e504152874e00c867e09cfce1efb2@chartertn.net>
	<9065C1AF-1D21-4D22-A949-ECF5F79679B2@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <516baaa4eef0269b93d665645ad4e5b6@chartertn.net>

I'll have to put you down for some when I get around to making it again.

Yeah, Jane found a few pieces and we've been using 'em. Haven't found 
anything we like as well, either.

On Jun 19, 2007, at 11:32 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> I haven't had a good shower since I ran out of your soap
> from the last time you auctioned it off at the Back Forty.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 19 20:32:57 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:32:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
Message-ID: <78796D29-BDA3-43F9-A097-1DFDBC827EBD@rustyiron.com>

> Alas, it's been off the market for a few years, which has put me  
> out of
> the soapmaking business. I've just located some new sources of lye,  
> but
> now I have to go through a bunch of Mickey Mouse crap with faxing in
> liability releases to order it and recalculate recipes because it  
> comes
> in different size containers.


I haven't had a good shower since I ran out of your soap
from the last time you auctioned it off at the Back Forty.



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 19 22:50:55 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:50:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fwd:  It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
References: <9E183FF0-C395-45B2-876A-76DA173795DA@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <3C06C3E7-519E-46A5-8258-D709F6F96936@rustyiron.com>


I'll have my snipe finger ready for the Christmas Auction.



> On Jun 19, 2007, at 9:20 PM, John Culp wrote:
>
>> I'll have to put you down for some when I get around to making it  
>> again.
>>
>> Yeah, Jane found a few pieces and we've been using 'em. Haven't found
>> anything we like as well, either.
>>






From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jun 19 22:51:55 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:51:55 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -
In-Reply-To: <001d01c7b2d0$46c00700$3464a8c0@Eagle>
References: <bc1.161e1ee3.33a8b4cf@aol.com>
	<001d01c7b2d0$46c00700$3464a8c0@Eagle>
Message-ID: <006001c7b2ff$1c7c20d0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

I dont blame them not saying anything he must of really got on everyones
nerves. brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob Willman
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2007 12:17 p.m.
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -

	There was a fellow in Findlay, Ohio back in the 60's who had a
Volkswagen Beetle who expounded on the excellent gas mileage he was getting.
His neighbors also started adding gas to his tank at night. This continued
until one of his regular maintenance visits to the dealership's service
department. Then the started to siphon gas from his tank at night.. He drove
the service department nuts for sometime demanding to know what they had
done to his car. I don't think the neighbors ever did tell him what
happened. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:26 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! -

 
Hi List,
This has been a very interesting thread.  It reminds me of  a tale about a
joke played on a fellow worker at Convair at  Lancaster, California in 1958.

This gentleman purchased a new Nash  Metropolitan.  It was a small two
passenger automobile.  He bought it  for gas mileage and to drive to work.
The Convair facilities were located  at Air force Plant 42 located several
miles from 
Lancaster, California.   This person bragged so much about how cheap this
car was 
on gas that the rest of  his fellow workers decided he needed to be taught a
lesson.  One of the fellow workers suggested that several  people chip in
and buy some gasoline to put in his new car to really increase  his "gas
mileage" 
without his knowledge.  Yes, it was  decided (about 10 or 12 people
participated) to do  it.  As more gasoline was slipped into his fuel tank,
the more he bragged about getting excellent mileage.
About this time stories of the hi-mileage per gallon  carburetors were
circulating among the public.  With the extra  gasoline being put into this
braggart's Metropolitan, he was  experiencing some great mileage in
comparison to what other Metropolitan owners  were getting.  The jokesters
start telling him that Nash had made a mistake  and accidentally installed
one of these carburetors on his car.  In those  days, new cars had to be
returned to the dealership at 500 miles to change the  oil.  When this
person took his Metropolitan to the dealer for the oil  change and minor
adjustments, the jokesters stopped putting extra gas  in his car.  Needless
to say, when the mileage went down drastically, he  started to complain to
the dealer and the factory representative.  
The  jokesters kept egging him on by saying that the dealer was probably
directed by the factory to exchange the carburetor as the factory made a
error  on his car by installing this high mileage producing carburetor
during  assembly.  
 
Since I can't validate if this narrative is true,  I call it  fairy tale.
 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca





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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 20 10:47:11 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:47:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <410-2200762193224968@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>

HI Tim, It's a sad story, At the conclusion of my research and just prior to 
sending the cad files to the cnc operator, my front door was kicked in one 
night and there stood a tall masked man with a large shotgun. I was tied up 
and severely beaten... but in the end your perpetual motion engine was 
stolen.  I just haven't had the heart to tell you until now.  I think they 
drove off in a HUMMER like my brother Mike drives so I suspect Big Oil was 
involved. Sorry it ended this way Tim, but you still have a New Way 
transport to move you around Kansas.  Steve Royster


>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:02:24 -0500
>
>Very interesting Steve, now tell me the truth about what happened to my
>Perpetual Motion Engine that you borrowed for research?
>
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 6/18/2007 9:12:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> >
> > Okay, okay!   It's true I am part of the "big oil consortium" and we do
>sit
> > around in smoke filled rooms drinking 100 year old scotch and planning
>your
> > demise.  Just last week, a young fellow brought in an engine that ran on
>bad
> > information!  OH MY GOSH!  Do you know how much bad information is out
> > there?  Did you know it is FREE?  Well me and the boys quickly called 
>our
> > connections at Black Op, and before you can say 99 cent regular, we did
>the
> > stop, drop and roll drill and he was part of the new bridge on the I-95
> > connector.
> >
> > I'd like to tell you more, but then I'd have to ki--, well, you know the
> > drill.
> >
> > Sleep tight,  I'm putting regular in the premium tank tomorrow!!  You'll
> > never know!  Oh my gosh, I just kill me!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Steve (the bad) Royster
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> >
> >
> > > Isn't it strange that we've heard nothing from Mike"Big Oil"Royster?
>Maybe
> > > he bought up some of those patents himself !  Probably why he wasn't 
>in
> > > Cool
> > > Spring with the rest of us, he was researching patents that might 
>steal
> > > some
> > > of his profits.  Look out Kelley !
> > >                           Steve the good Royster!
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
> > >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > >>To: "slick at toltbbs.com" <slick at toltbbs.com>,        SEL
> > >><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> > >>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
> > >>
> > >>Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
> > >>It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it was
> > >>Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
> > >>companies!
> > >>
> > >>Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.
> > >>
> > >>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
> > >>Converter.
> > >>No plans on releasing it as yet.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>See ya,
> > >>Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Rob,
> > >> >
> > >> > Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can 
>possibly
> > >> > comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
> > >> >
> > >> > Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had the
> > >>ability
> > >> > to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be
>secret
> > >> > technologies now would they?
> > >> >
> > >> > A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take
>this
> > >> > thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, 
>I've
> > >>cc'd
> > >> > Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide subscription
> > >> > info
> > >> > for those willing to jump into the pool.
> > >> >
> > >> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?
>(Purchased
> > >>by
> > >> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
> > >> > So much to discuss...  So little time...
> > >> >
> > >> > See ya,  Arnie
> > >> >
> > >> > Arnie Fero
> > >> > Pittsburgh, PA
> > >> > fero_ah at city-net.com
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
> > >> >>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects 
>to
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought out 
>by
> > >> >>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the government
>as
> > >> >>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Brent,
> > >> >> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my 
>head
> > >> >> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on the
> > >> >> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm calling
>you
> > >> >> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us of
>the
> > >> >> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of secrecy).
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 1.  Name the technology.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of 
>power,
> > >> >> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
> > >> >> materials to energy.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to prevent
>YOU
> > >> >> from utilizing these technologies.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It 
>will
> > >> >> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
> > >> >> enlighten us with facts.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get em
> > >> >> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support your
> > >> >> contentions.
> > >> >
> > >> > To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to slick-request at toltbbs.com
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun 20 10:59:41 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:59:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4442.165.206.180.53.1182362381.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

ROFLMFAO.... youse guys are a hoot.

This should allow some experimenting on some of these great inventions:

http://theamcpages.com/new-garage.asp

I need a few things like a Jacobs ladder and telsa coil to make it look
like a real lab where stuff really happens.

It will certainly allow me space to spread out Chapman parts now instead
of crawling over things.
I plan on making that Chapman run a full week on a gallon of gas now
instead of just 5 days.


Bill

> HI Tim, It's a sad story, At the conclusion of my research and just prior
> to
> sending the cad files to the cnc operator, my front door was kicked in one
> night and there stood a tall masked man with a large shotgun. I was tied
> up
> and severely beaten... but in the end your perpetual motion engine was
> stolen.  I just haven't had the heart to tell you until now.  I think they
> drove off in a HUMMER like my brother Mike drives so I suspect Big Oil was
> involved. Sorry it ended this way Tim, but you still have a New Way
> transport to move you around Kansas.  Steve Royster
>
>
>>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:02:24 -0500
>>
>>Very interesting Steve, now tell me the truth about what happened to my
>>Perpetual Motion Engine that you borrowed for research?
>>
>>Tim Christoff
>>Basehor Kansas
>>
>>
>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Date: 6/18/2007 9:12:15 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>> >
>> > Okay, okay!   It's true I am part of the "big oil consortium" and we
>> do
>>sit
>> > around in smoke filled rooms drinking 100 year old scotch and planning
>>your
>> > demise.  Just last week, a young fellow brought in an engine that ran
>> on
>>bad
>> > information!  OH MY GOSH!  Do you know how much bad information is out
>> > there?  Did you know it is FREE?  Well me and the boys quickly called
>>our
>> > connections at Black Op, and before you can say 99 cent regular, we
>> did
>>the
>> > stop, drop and roll drill and he was part of the new bridge on the
>> I-95
>> > connector.
>> >
>> > I'd like to tell you more, but then I'd have to ki--, well, you know
>> the
>> > drill.
>> >
>> > Sleep tight,  I'm putting regular in the premium tank tomorrow!!
>> You'll
>> > never know!  Oh my gosh, I just kill me!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > Steve (the bad) Royster
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:13 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>> >
>> >
>> > > Isn't it strange that we've heard nothing from Mike"Big Oil"Royster?
>>Maybe
>> > > he bought up some of those patents himself !  Probably why he wasn't
>>in
>> > > Cool
>> > > Spring with the rest of us, he was researching patents that might
>>steal
>> > > some
>> > > of his profits.  Look out Kelley !
>> > >                           Steve the good Royster!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>From: Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
>> > >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
>><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > >>To: "slick at toltbbs.com" <slick at toltbbs.com>,        SEL
>> > >><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > >>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>> > >>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
>> > >>
>> > >>Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
>> > >>It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it
>> was
>> > >>Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
>> > >>companies!
>> > >>
>> > >>Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.
>> > >>
>> > >>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
>> > >>Converter.
>> > >>No plans on releasing it as yet.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>See ya,
>> > >>Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Rob,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can
>>possibly
>> > >> > comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had
>> the
>> > >>ability
>> > >> > to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be
>>secret
>> > >> > technologies now would they?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take
>>this
>> > >> > thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard,
>>I've
>> > >>cc'd
>> > >> > Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide
>> subscription
>> > >> > info
>> > >> > for those willing to jump into the pool.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?
>>(Purchased
>> > >>by
>> > >> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
>> > >> > So much to discuss...  So little time...
>> > >> >
>> > >> > See ya,  Arnie
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Arnie Fero
>> > >> > Pittsburgh, PA
>> > >> > fero_ah at city-net.com
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
>> > >> >>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental effects
>>to
>> > >> >>> the
>> > >> >>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought
>> out
>>by
>> > >> >>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the
>> government
>>as
>> > >> >>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Brent,
>> > >> >> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my
>>head
>> > >> >> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on
>> the
>> > >> >> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm
>> calling
>>you
>> > >> >> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us
>> of
>>the
>> > >> >> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of
>> secrecy).
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> 1.  Name the technology.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of
>>power,
>> > >> >> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
>> > >> >> materials to energy.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to
>> prevent
>>YOU
>> > >> >> from utilizing these technologies.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It
>>will
>> > >> >> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
>> > >> >> enlighten us with facts.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get
>> em
>> > >> >> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support
>> your
>> > >> >> contentions.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to
>> slick-request at toltbbs.com
>> > >> > with the word "LEAVE"  in the Subject, with no other text. No
>> SIGs!
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>_______________________________________________
>> > >>SEL mailing list
>> > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> > >
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From shop at cccomm.net  Wed Jun 20 11:47:51 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:47:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL]  Fairbanks T
References: <128849.14856.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <017101c7b36b$82d7c5c0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Got it on good authority that some of the older California engine guys had a 
consensus of opinion on the Fairbanks T red color. I got ahold of one of 
them and after a little coaxing he finally gave me the color code.  Old 
Dulux color before Dupont Centuri.  For those interested it is 93-2564-8. 
Napa crossed matched it from their national help desk and came up with 
Crossfire 53B 2569 Red Acrylic Enamel.
Painted some this morning, pic's at
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp


Dave




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jun 20 12:44:09 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:44:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
Message-ID: <20070620.124409.1240.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Nice job Dave.  Except for the head, block, rod, piston, ignitor, valves,
and the other little rusty pieces that looks like an easy restoration.
<VBG>

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:47:51 -0700 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
> Got it on good authority that some of the older California engine 
> guys had a 
> consensus of opinion on the Fairbanks T red color. I got ahold of 
> one of 
> them and after a little coaxing he finally gave me the color code.  
> Old 
> Dulux color before Dupont Centuri.  For those interested it is 
> 93-2564-8. 
> Napa crossed matched it from their national help desk and came up 
> with 
> Crossfire 53B 2569 Red Acrylic Enamel.
> Painted some this morning, pic's at
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp
> 
> 
> Dave


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 20 13:57:37 2007
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:57:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show at Lacon IL
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1182355203.28642.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-F384FAFF96AC17BB2932E02C7110@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the write up and pictures Steve.
>   10. Show & Auction Photos (Steve Barr)
 >Message: 10
>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:47:58 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>Subject: [SEL] Show & Auction Photos
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <196359.73312.qm at web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Since I don't want to flood the market with too many photos at one time,
>Here are links to the first several events that I took in this year.
>
>A Friday night car cruz in my hometown of Downers Grove, IL (the suburbs
>of Chicago) that featured gas engines and tractors....My Dad and I got
>"Best in show trophy"  We also got invited back at the end of the summer
>for the Trophy night where the top exhibit from each weekend's cruz is on
>display...
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007DGCruz.htm
>
>Auction in Lacon IL (1 mile from the show the same day as the show) which
>took 2 hours to sell every thing.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007LaconAuction.htm
>
>Show at Lacon IL
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007Lacon.htm
>
>Oh, I forgot the toy show that has a tractor show with it in mid march in
>Sublette, IL...Didn't take any photos of the toys, but did take some of
>the tractors in the few spare minutes that I had as I was busy most of the
>day helping a dealer sell construction models.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007Sublette.htm
>
>And IF you didn't have enough to look at,  The auction results from North,
>VA are at:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007simon1.htm

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From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun 20 17:51:55 2007
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:51:55 +0800
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>

Steve Royster wrote:
> HI Tim, It's a sad story, At the conclusion of my research and just 
> prior to sending the cad files to the cnc operator, my front door was 
> kicked in one night and there stood a tall masked man with a large 
> shotgun. I was tied up and severely beaten... but in the end your 
> perpetual motion engine was stolen.  I just haven't had the heart to 
> tell you until now.  I think they drove off in a HUMMER like my brother 
> Mike drives so I suspect Big Oil was involved. Sorry it ended this way 
> Tim, but you still have a New Way transport to move you around Kansas.  
> Steve Royster
===
Steve, that sounds suspiciously like what happened to "Frothy", the soap 
bubble powered engine I invented. Ran on the spin-cycle principle. Same 
looking guy, did yours have a black hat?

Engine ran clean as a whistle, but it needed some special soap to 
produce bubbles of the correct surface tension for best efficiency. I 
was working on that and had arranged for John Culp to supply, but 
suddenly and inexplicably he was unable to obtain his usual ingredients.

Make you think, eh?

JW?
===



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jun 20 19:06:37 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:06:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
	<4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <000801c7b3a8$cd5d7440$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Now wait a minute.  You know all of us in "big oil" have nothing but your 
best interests in mind.  When Exxon gave retiring chairman Lee Raymond an 
additional 200 million, that was for you!  That 14 billion Exxon makes every 
quarter (lately), all for you!  So when we steal in to your homes and take 
all the plans for energy machines, it's all for you!  We are trying to keep 
your world "normal" and the love affair with the automobile steamy hot.  We 
know how you all hate "change".  Do you really want jetpacks and flying 
saucers?  No,  you want the nice comfortable car!

I'd love to expound more but it is late, and I have to get the black hummers 
going, we have several new technologies and their inventors to get rid of, I 
mean to meet with tonight.

Sleep tight!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Watson" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!


Steve Royster wrote:
> HI Tim, It's a sad story, At the conclusion of my research and just
> prior to sending the cad files to the cnc operator, my front door was
> kicked in one night and there stood a tall masked man with a large
> shotgun. I was tied up and severely beaten... but in the end your
> perpetual motion engine was stolen.  I just haven't had the heart to
> tell you until now.  I think they drove off in a HUMMER like my brother
> Mike drives so I suspect Big Oil was involved. Sorry it ended this way
> Tim, but you still have a New Way transport to move you around Kansas.
> Steve Royster
===
Steve, that sounds suspiciously like what happened to "Frothy", the soap
bubble powered engine I invented. Ran on the spin-cycle principle. Same
looking guy, did yours have a black hat?

Engine ran clean as a whistle, but it needed some special soap to
produce bubbles of the correct surface tension for best efficiency. I
was working on that and had arranged for John Culp to supply, but
suddenly and inexplicably he was unable to obtain his usual ingredients.

Make you think, eh?

JW?
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From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Wed Jun 20 19:49:56 2007
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:49:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show & Auction Photos
References: <mailman.3.1182355203.28642.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c7b3ae$da6e6da0$0201a8c0@b21a5>

Thanks for the picture links, Steve!  I can't believe that they had a gas
engine/tractor cruise night!

-Rick



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 20 21:01:22 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:01:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - new engine designs
Message-ID: <410-2200764214122234@earthlink.net>

Thats ok Steve, it was underpowered anyway and you just can't get a patent
on the darn things, thank Big Oil and Black Hummers for that one.  Anyway,
I got a newer improved engine that runs on Liberal Spit, this baby really
goes far on a tank full but leaves a nasty stench in its wake.  Working on
a proper muffeling filter device right now, will send you a report for your
research soon.

Don't let your brother know anything about this, you know how he is.  A
black Hummer would show up in my driveway.  You could though, try
collecting some of his spit for me, I think I can make a valve for Big Oil
spit.  This little paragraph 

" You know all of us in "big oil" have nothing but your 
best interests in mind. When Exxon gave retiring chairman Lee Raymond an 
additional 200 million, that was for you! That 14 billion Exxon makes every 
quarter (lately), all for you! So when we steal in to your homes and take 
all the plans for energy machines, it's all for you! We are trying to keep 
your world "normal" and the love affair with the automobile steamy hot"

would have been enough spit to travel 100 + miles with the AC on!

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/20/2007 12:47:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
>
> HI Tim, It's a sad story, At the conclusion of my research and just prior
to 
> sending the cad files to the cnc operator, my front door was kicked in
one 
> night and there stood a tall masked man with a large shotgun. I was tied
up 
> and severely beaten... but in the end your perpetual motion engine was 
> stolen.  I just haven't had the heart to tell you until now.  I think
they 
> drove off in a HUMMER like my brother Mike drives so I suspect Big Oil
was 
> involved. Sorry it ended this way Tim, but you still have a New Way 
> transport to move you around Kansas.  Steve Royster
>
>
> >From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:02:24 -0500
> >
> >Very interesting Steve, now tell me the truth about what happened to my
> >Perpetual Motion Engine that you borrowed for research?
> >
> >Tim Christoff
> >Basehor Kansas
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> > > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Date: 6/18/2007 9:12:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> > >
> > > Okay, okay!   It's true I am part of the "big oil consortium" and we
do
> >sit
> > > around in smoke filled rooms drinking 100 year old scotch and planning
> >your
> > > demise.  Just last week, a young fellow brought in an engine that ran
on
> >bad
> > > information!  OH MY GOSH!  Do you know how much bad information is out
> > > there?  Did you know it is FREE?  Well me and the boys quickly called 
> >our
> > > connections at Black Op, and before you can say 99 cent regular, we
did
> >the
> > > stop, drop and roll drill and he was part of the new bridge on the
I-95
> > > connector.
> > >
> > > I'd like to tell you more, but then I'd have to ki--, well, you know
the
> > > drill.
> > >
> > > Sleep tight,  I'm putting regular in the premium tank tomorrow!! 
You'll
> > > never know!  Oh my gosh, I just kill me!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > Steve (the bad) Royster
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> > >
> > >
> > > > Isn't it strange that we've heard nothing from Mike"Big Oil"Royster?
> >Maybe
> > > > he bought up some of those patents himself !  Probably why he
wasn't 
> >in
> > > > Cool
> > > > Spring with the rest of us, he was researching patents that might 
> >steal
> > > > some
> > > > of his profits.  Look out Kelley !
> > > >                           Steve the good Royster!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>From: Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
> > > >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
> ><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > >>To: "slick at toltbbs.com" <slick at toltbbs.com>,        SEL
> > > >><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > >>Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> > > >>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700
> > > >>
> > > >>Arnie, Arnie, Arnie.
> > > >>It wasn't Chevron who bought up the patents for the water pill, it
was
> > > >>Texaco...or was it Unocal...  Doesn't matter - we bought up both
> > > >>companies!
> > > >>
> > > >>Anyway, we're only the bad guys because we inherited the patent.
> > > >>
> > > >>We did however, snag the developers of the Mr. Fusion Home Energy
> > > >>Converter.
> > > >>No plans on releasing it as yet.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>See ya,
> > > >>Kelley the Big Oil Bit%#
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>On 6/18/07 8:34 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Rob,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Now you're just being silly.  There's NO WAY that Brent can 
> >possibly
> > > >> > comply with your request.  These are SECRET technologies.  Duh...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Brent just KNOWS that they exist because they MUST.  If he had
the
> > > >>ability
> > > >> > to answer so much as ONE of your questions then they wouldn't be
> >secret
> > > >> > technologies now would they?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > A better question is do Brent (and others) have the balls to take
> >this
> > > >> > thread over to Slick where it belongs?  To help in that regard, 
> >I've
> > > >>cc'd
> > > >> > Slick on this reply.  Kerry was kind enough to provide
subscription
> > > >> > info
> > > >> > for those willing to jump into the pool.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > How about it folks?  Pills to convert water into gasoline?
> >(Purchased
> > > >>by
> > > >> > Chevron in 1953)  350 MPG carby?  (Purchased by Esso in 1941)
> > > >> > So much to discuss...  So little time...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > See ya,  Arnie
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Arnie Fero
> > > >> > Pittsburgh, PA
> > > >> > fero_ah at city-net.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Rob Skinner wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> there has been technology around for the last 40 - 50 years on
> > > >> >>> alternative power generation that creats no detrimental
effects 
> >to
> > > >> >>> the
> > > >> >>> environment i have listings of them most of them were bought
out 
> >by
> > > >> >>> fuel companies,Automobile companys or shut down by the
government
> >as
> > > >> >>> they were potentially damaging to there business.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Brent,
> > > >> >> Your statement is so absurd that I would normally just shake my 
> >head
> > > >> >> and ignore it.  However, we have impressionable youngsters on
the
> > > >> >> List who might buy into your nonsense.  So with that, I'm
calling
> >you
> > > >> >> out, challenging you, throwing down the gauntlet.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> You claim to have a list of secret technology.  Please tell us
of
> >the
> > > >> >> top three technologies (if it wouldn't break your vow of
secrecy).
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 1.  Name the technology.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 2.  Detail how this technology is useful in the production of 
> >power,
> > > >> >> the raw materials required, the processes that convet the raw
> > > >> >> materials to energy.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 3.  Provide a picture of a prototype device.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 4.  Which companies and governments "bought" this technology?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 5.  What device do these governments and companies use to
prevent
> >YOU
> > > >> >> from utilizing these technologies.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> There you go.  Three technologies, fifteen questions total.  It 
> >will
> > > >> >> surely be no problem for someone with your extensive database to
> > > >> >> enlighten us with facts.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Just a warning.  If you make unsubstantiated claims, you'll get
em
> > > >> >> thrown back in your face with demands for evidence to support
your
> > > >> >> contentions.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > To Unsubscribe, simply send a message to
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 20 21:05:13 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:05:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - now barn
Message-ID: <410-2200764214513671@earthlink.net>

Nice looking barn Bill.  There is a small problem with it, not BIG enough.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas





From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Thu Jun 21 00:16:30 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:16:30 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
	<4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <008401c7b3d4$1a05b9d0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Sounds like the guy in the black cap took frothy and made a clean get
away..?  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Watson
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2007 12:52 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Steve Royster wrote:
> HI Tim, It's a sad story, At the conclusion of my research and just 
> prior to sending the cad files to the cnc operator, my front door was 
> kicked in one night and there stood a tall masked man with a large 
> shotgun. I was tied up and severely beaten... but in the end your 
> perpetual motion engine was stolen.  I just haven't had the heart to 
> tell you until now.  I think they drove off in a HUMMER like my brother 
> Mike drives so I suspect Big Oil was involved. Sorry it ended this way 
> Tim, but you still have a New Way transport to move you around Kansas.  
> Steve Royster
===
Steve, that sounds suspiciously like what happened to "Frothy", the soap 
bubble powered engine I invented. Ran on the spin-cycle principle. Same 
looking guy, did yours have a black hat?

Engine ran clean as a whistle, but it needed some special soap to 
produce bubbles of the correct surface tension for best efficiency. I 
was working on that and had arranged for John Culp to supply, but 
suddenly and inexplicably he was unable to obtain his usual ingredients.

Make you think, eh?

JW?
===

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From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Jun 21 01:52:43 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:52:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - new engine designs
In-Reply-To: <410-2200764214122234@earthlink.net>
References: <410-2200764214122234@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <0JJZ00KEWA0U29YH@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

At 11:01 PM 6/20/2007, you wrote:
>Anyway,
>I got a newer improved engine that runs on Liberal Spit


And they said perpetual motion was impossible...

-Tony



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun 21 02:36:44 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:36:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - new engine designs
References: <410-2200764214122234@earthlink.net>
	<0JJZ00KEWA0U29YH@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <053101c7b3e7$b0c11690$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hey, if wit was burnable, we could ALL ride free!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - new engine designs


> At 11:01 PM 6/20/2007, you wrote:
>>Anyway,
>>I got a newer improved engine that runs on Liberal Spit
> 
> 
> And they said perpetual motion was impossible...
> 
> -Tony
> 
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun 21 04:38:50 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - now barn
In-Reply-To: <410-2200764214513671@earthlink.net>
References: <410-2200764214513671@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3130.165.206.180.53.1182425930.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I'm afraid you are correct. I wish it was a few more square feet.
It will contain my tractor (F20) and at least 3 cars, may need to put in a
lift so I can "stack" them.

My hope is with the tractor and lawn/garden equipment out of the other
garage addition, my engines can breath a bit.
That poor 7hp Chapman still sits unassembled and buried under piles of
"stuff".
The F20 sits with lumber piled around it, and I have to squeeze through to
use the sandblast cabinet.
There's never enough room!



Bill

> Nice looking barn Bill.  There is a small problem with it, not BIG enough.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun 21 04:50:46 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:50:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - new engine designs
In-Reply-To: <0JJZ00KEWA0U29YH@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <410-2200764214122234@earthlink.net>
	<0JJZ00KEWA0U29YH@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <3214.165.206.180.53.1182426646.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Renewable fuel we'll never run short of..........



> At 11:01 PM 6/20/2007, you wrote:
>>Anyway,
>>I got a newer improved engine that runs on Liberal Spit
>
>
> And they said perpetual motion was impossible...
>
> -Tony
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jun 21 06:48:16 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:48:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>
	<4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Jack,

I KNOW the guy that took that special engine.  Name's Rick Monk, BIG guy,
full beard, definitely looks like a terrorist.  His accomplice (good
lookin' gal) goes by the nickname "Bubbles."  He even ran that engine at
Portland and Coolspring a few years.  He had it belted to a conventional
hit & miss engine and was _claiming_ that it was a "bubble machine."  But
close examination of the display showed that the so-called hit & miss was
just a shell, no fuel, no exhaust, all the power was coming from the
Bubble Engine.

Rick & Bubbles appear to have disappeared (he used to post to the SEL a
lot) and hasn't been seen at any shows in years.  The mysterious Bubble
Engine hasn't been seen either.

At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Jack Watson wrote:

> ===
> Steve, that sounds suspiciously like what happened to "Frothy", the soap
> bubble powered engine I invented. Ran on the spin-cycle principle. Same
> looking guy, did yours have a black hat?
>
> Engine ran clean as a whistle, but it needed some special soap to
> produce bubbles of the correct surface tension for best efficiency. I
> was working on that and had arranged for John Culp to supply, but
> suddenly and inexplicably he was unable to obtain his usual ingredients.



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jun 21 06:15:12 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:15:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl><4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001101c7b406$33596ad0$0601a8c0@altech>


Hi Arnie
I got some pics somewhere from Portland 1999

Pete, Oz





> G'day Jack,
>
> I KNOW the guy that took that special engine.  Name's Rick Monk, BIG guy,
> full beard, definitely looks like a terrorist.  His accomplice (good
> lookin' gal) goes by the nickname "Bubbles."  He even ran that engine at
> Portland and Coolspring a few years.  He had it belted to a conventional
> hit & miss engine and was _claiming_ that it was a "bubble machine."  But
> close examination of the display showed that the so-called hit & miss was
> just a shell, no fuel, no exhaust, all the power was coming from the
> Bubble Engine.
>
> Rick & Bubbles appear to have disappeared (he used to post to the SEL a
> lot) and hasn't been seen at any shows in years.  The mysterious Bubble
> Engine hasn't been seen either.
>
> At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
> Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
> got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Jack Watson wrote:
>
>> ===
>> Steve, that sounds suspiciously like what happened to "Frothy", the soap
>> bubble powered engine I invented. Ran on the spin-cycle principle. Same
>> looking guy, did yours have a black hat?
>>
>> Engine ran clean as a whistle, but it needed some special soap to
>> produce bubbles of the correct surface tension for best efficiency. I
>> was working on that and had arranged for John Culp to supply, but
>> suddenly and inexplicably he was unable to obtain his usual ingredients.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Jun 21 06:23:06 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:23:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
Message-ID: <380-22007642113236218@coastalnet.com>

http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/CS-98/TOF00019.JPG


> [Original Message]
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/21/2007 9:52:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
>
> G'day Jack,
> At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
> Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
> got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com




From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Jun 21 06:24:59 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:24:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
Message-ID: <380-220076421132459468@coastalnet.com>

Should have put the main page:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/CS-98/cool98-menu.html

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/21/2007 9:52:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
>
> G'day Jack,

>
> At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
> Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
> got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com




From shop at cccomm.net  Thu Jun 21 06:45:27 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:45:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <20070620.124409.1240.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <01fe01c7b40a$6df25860$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Yea, all the simple stuff.
Have a lot of the stuff made, new ignitor shafts and point ends, head now 
has valve guide inserts back to standard size, in the process of making 
valves out of a hunk of stainless. Got ahold of the Otto guy who claims to 
make rings to spec, gave him the sizes and credit card number two months ago 
and haven't heard from him since......
Other than that, I'm slowly gaining on it.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T


> Nice job Dave.  Except for the head, block, rod, piston, ignitor, valves,
> and the other little rusty pieces that looks like an easy restoration.
> <VBG>
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:47:51 -0700 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
>> Got it on good authority that some of the older California engine
>> guys had a
>> consensus of opinion on the Fairbanks T red color. I got ahold of
>> one of
>> them and after a little coaxing he finally gave me the color code.
>> Old
>> Dulux color before Dupont Centuri.  For those interested it is
>> 93-2564-8.
>> Napa crossed matched it from their national help desk and came up
>> with
>> Crossfire 53B 2569 Red Acrylic Enamel.
>> Painted some this morning, pic's at
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp
>>
>>
>> Dave
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun 21 07:31:43 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:31:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <001101c7b406$33596ad0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl><4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<001101c7b406$33596ad0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <3925.165.206.180.53.1182436303.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Is his email still any good?

RGMTRUCK at aol.com


Bill

>
> Hi Arnie
> I got some pics somewhere from Portland 1999
>
> Pete, Oz
>
>
>
>
>
>> G'day Jack,
>>
>> I KNOW the guy that took that special engine.  Name's Rick Monk, BIG
>> guy,
>> full beard, definitely looks like a terrorist.  His accomplice (good
>> lookin' gal) goes by the nickname "Bubbles."  He even ran that engine at
>> Portland and Coolspring a few years.  He had it belted to a conventional
>> hit & miss engine and was _claiming_ that it was a "bubble machine."
>> But
>> close examination of the display showed that the so-called hit & miss
>> was
>> just a shell, no fuel, no exhaust, all the power was coming from the
>> Bubble Engine.
>>
>> Rick & Bubbles appear to have disappeared (he used to post to the SEL a
>> lot) and hasn't been seen at any shows in years.  The mysterious Bubble
>> Engine hasn't been seen either.
>>
>> At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and
>> the
>> Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil
>> folks
>> got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Jack Watson wrote:
>>
>>> ===
>>> Steve, that sounds suspiciously like what happened to "Frothy", the
>>> soap
>>> bubble powered engine I invented. Ran on the spin-cycle principle. Same
>>> looking guy, did yours have a black hat?
>>>
>>> Engine ran clean as a whistle, but it needed some special soap to
>>> produce bubbles of the correct surface tension for best efficiency. I
>>> was working on that and had arranged for John Culp to supply, but
>>> suddenly and inexplicably he was unable to obtain his usual
>>> ingredients.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jun 21 07:51:27 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:51:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl>	<4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <467A906F.6010206@imc-group.com>

Arnie,
By golly it is all coming together now. Rick, being a middle aged guy is 
WAY to young to retire. But a couple of years ago he sold his business 
catering to fuel hungry engines and auctioned off most of his petrol 
burning hit and miss engines too. Sounds like being in possession of the 
perpetual bubble machine put him in the position of never having to work 
on another big engine again, nor filling the tanks of the h&m engines 
either. Last we heard he was headed to the great white north of upper 
Michigan living in a brand new place with no electricity or internet 
service. It all makes since, he's powering the place with the bubble 
machine! Guess that whole "nice guy" persona was a mere front for the 
energy terrorist he really is. Just when you think you really know 
someone......
Curt

Arnie Fero wrote:
> G'day Jack,
>
> I KNOW the guy that took that special engine.  Name's Rick Monk, BIG guy,
> full beard, definitely looks like a terrorist.  His accomplice (good
> lookin' gal) goes by the nickname "Bubbles."  He even ran that engine at
> Portland and Coolspring a few years.  He had it belted to a conventional
> hit & miss engine and was _claiming_ that it was a "bubble machine."  But
> close examination of the display showed that the so-called hit & miss was
> just a shell, no fuel, no exhaust, all the power was coming from the
> Bubble Engine.
>
> Rick & Bubbles appear to have disappeared (he used to post to the SEL a
> lot) and hasn't been seen at any shows in years.  The mysterious Bubble
> Engine hasn't been seen either.
>
> At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
> Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
> got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
>   



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Jun 21 08:03:11 2007
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:03:11 EDT
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
Message-ID: <ca3.124f70e7.33abed2f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/21/2007 9:42:49 AM Central Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

Is his email still any good?

RGMTRUCK at aol.com


Bill

Hi Bill,
AOL says it is.
Ron



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Jun 21 11:10:28 2007
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:10:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl><4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <010901c7b42f$7330a960$0200a8c0@fbi>

Hi Arnie

Nothing of the Bubble Engine more recent than 1999
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland/bubbles.jpg

Dolly

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>

> At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
> Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
> got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jun 21 12:07:44 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:07:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <380-220076421132459468@coastalnet.com>
References: <380-220076421132459468@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706211451220.98040@vegeta.city-net.com>

1998!  DAMN, THAT was a great year at Coolspring!
Misty...  The 12 hp Herc...  Misty...  Rick & the Bubble Engine...
Misty...  Matt and the Love Ewes...  Misty...  (well, you get the idea...)
8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Here's another shot of that terrorist Rick Monk at Portland 2000 with
the rest of his Tag Team Wrestlers and their coach/trainer/manager.  8-))
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Portland_2000/57.jpg
BTW it ain't easy to make Rick look like a little fella.

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Ken Christison wrote:

> Should have put the main page:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/CS-98/cool98-menu.html
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> > At one time there were a lot of pics on the web of Rick, Bubbles, and the
> > Bubble Engine.  I wonder if any are stil out there or if the Big Oil folks
> > got 'em all removed.  Anyone?  Links to the pics?


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jun 21 12:17:54 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:17:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
In-Reply-To: <010901c7b42f$7330a960$0200a8c0@fbi>
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl><4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<010901c7b42f$7330a960$0200a8c0@fbi>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706211512480.98040@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Dolly,

That's a GREAT pic!  It shows the awesome power of that little Bubble
Engine effortlessly driving that 6 hp Titan!  Thanks for posting that.

I'll bet that ol' Rich is still powering his place in the Michigan woods
on that original charge of bubbles.  I wonder if some bright spark could
reverse-engineer the Bubble Engine from the pics?  I'm really surprised
that Big Oil has missed so many of the pics on the net!  Or maybe they
just didn't realize how far back they had to go?  OH NOOOOOO!!!!  We've
just given them the key to eradicating ALL evidence of the mighty Bubble
Engine.  We're doomed.....

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Jim French wrote:

> Nothing of the Bubble Engine more recent than 1999
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland/bubbles.jpg



From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Thu Jun 21 12:34:38 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:34:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!
References: <BAY144-F22C36AC0CD27E4BC149DDD95110@phx.gbl><4679CBAB.7060602@optusnet.com.au><Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com><010901c7b42f$7330a960$0200a8c0@fbi>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0706211512480.98040@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <011d01c7b43b$5fe1c450$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>



Forget all that shit, problem's solved.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,285361,00.html
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!


> Hi Dolly,
>
> That's a GREAT pic!  It shows the awesome power of that little Bubble
> Engine effortlessly driving that 6 hp Titan!  Thanks for posting that.
>
> I'll bet that ol' Rich is still powering his place in the Michigan woods
> on that original charge of bubbles.  I wonder if some bright spark could
> reverse-engineer the Bubble Engine from the pics?  I'm really surprised
> that Big Oil has missed so many of the pics on the net!  Or maybe they
> just didn't realize how far back they had to go?  OH NOOOOOO!!!!  We've
> just given them the key to eradicating ALL evidence of the mighty Bubble
> Engine.  We're doomed.....
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Jim French wrote:
>
>> Nothing of the Bubble Engine more recent than 1999
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland/bubbles.jpg
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 22 13:19:20 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:19:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it!       ARNIE is wrong.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706210942001.96454@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <493571.97671.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Arnie,

Just last July I saw Rick and Bubbles at the Walloon Flywheelers  show at Walloon, Michigan.
Without the beard or overalls I had to study a while before I was sure it really was him. 8>))

Just kidding,,,,,,  Maybe some of this will get him to speak up here.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

--------------Arnie Wrote-------------------


Rick & Bubbles appear to have disappeared (he used to post to the SEL a
lot) and hasn't been seen at any shows in years.  The mysterious Bubble
Engine hasn't been seen either.


       
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jun 22 19:32:07 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:32:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070622212607.01dd89b8@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now up on our 
HP at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Sorry there are 
so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
	Dave



From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Fri Jun 22 20:19:17 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:19:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070622212607.01dd89b8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <00ac01c7b545$48ab1150$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Did you know that the captions on your Coolspring pictures say Coolsprings?
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures


> Hi All,
> Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now up on our
> HP at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Sorry there are
> so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun 23 05:08:25 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:08:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
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Thanks Skip, I'll take care of it! MY BAD!
         Dave

At 10:19 PM 6/22/2007, Skip Cleveland wrote:
>Did you know that the captions on your Coolspring pictures say Coolsprings?
>Skip
>----- Original Message -----
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><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:32 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
>
>
> > Hi All,
> > Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now up on our
> > HP at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Sorry there are
> > so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
> > Dave
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From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun 23 05:08:27 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:08:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Show Pictures
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Nice engine.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Show Pictures


> Thanks Skip, I'll take care of it! MY BAD!
>         Dave
>
> At 10:19 PM 6/22/2007, Skip Cleveland wrote:
>>Did you know that the captions on your Coolspring pictures say 
>>Coolsprings?
>>Skip
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
>><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:32 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
>>
>>
>> > Hi All,
>> > Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now up on 
>> > our
>> > HP at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Sorry there 
>> > are
>> > so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
>> > Dave
>> >
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 23 06:32:23 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:32:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070622212607.01dd89b8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <002e01c7b59a$ef809180$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Dave for the GREAT pictures, I really enjoyed them.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures


> Hi All,
> Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now up on our
> HP at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Sorry there are




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jun 23 06:35:25 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 06:35:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
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Message-ID: <B518E99A-E64F-46D0-B9D6-7B4F1319701E@rustyiron.com>


On Jun 22, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi All,
> 	Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now up  
> on our
> HP at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Sorry  
> there are
> so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
> 	Dave

Hi Dave,
What's with the big For Sale sign on your 15 horse Famous?  She's  
such a sweet running and beautiful engine!  Isn't she also quite  
desirable because she has the lower horsepower rating, before they re- 
rated the line?

Rob






From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sat Jun 23 06:46:09 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:46:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
In-Reply-To: <852809.91713.qm@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<852809.91713.qm@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Sorry about the off topic but someone here knows everything.

I am working on a Synchronome master clock and I need to build a 
part.  It calls for .031 Silver Steel wire.  The wire needs to be 
flattened on one end, and be bent, and stay bent. The forces on it 
once bent and installed are very low

My problem is I don't know what silver-steel wire is or where to get 
it. Is jewelers silver wire actually silver steel?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Frank

  Frank DeWitt

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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jun 23 07:27:52 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:27:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
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On Jun 23, 2007, at 6:46 AM, Frank DeWitt wrote:

> Sorry about the off topic but someone here knows everything.
>
> I am working on a Synchronome master clock and I need to build a  
> part.  It calls for .031 Silver Steel wire.  The wire needs to be  
> flattened on one end, and be bent, and stay bent. The forces on it  
> once bent and installed are very low
>
> My problem is I don't know what silver-steel wire is or where to  
> get it. Is jewelers silver wire actually silver steel?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.

Hi Frank,
I'm no metalurgist, but I'll pretend to know something in this  
instance.  Silver Steel is a colloquialism for high-carbon steel.   
Piano wire is high carbon steel.  I just checked the garage, and all  
my piano wire is 0.022".  We use it for making plumb bobs that you  
hang from the top of an elevator shaft and hang a ten pound fish  
plate at the bottom.  It's tough stuff.

If you can use some, I can stick some in an envelope.  I'm sure  
McMaster-Carr would have exactly the diameter you need.  It's not  
expensive.

Rob




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 23 08:33:01 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:33:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
Message-ID: <410-22007662315331109@earthlink.net>

Frank, I was going to say the same thing as Rob, you can go to a music
store that sells gutairs and they will have many different sizes of wire,
you will have to buy a set of 6 but you could get it today.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Date: 6/23/2007 9:32:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2007, at 6:46 AM, Frank DeWitt wrote:
>
> > Sorry about the off topic but someone here knows everything.
> >
> > I am working on a Synchronome master clock and I need to build a  
> > part.  It calls for .031 Silver Steel wire.  The wire needs to be  
> > flattened on one end, and be bent, and stay bent. The forces on it  
> > once bent and installed are very low
> >
> > My problem is I don't know what silver-steel wire is or where to  
> > get it. Is jewelers silver wire actually silver steel?
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> Hi Frank,
> I'm no metalurgist, but I'll pretend to know something in this  
> instance.  Silver Steel is a colloquialism for high-carbon steel.   
> Piano wire is high carbon steel.  I just checked the garage, and all  
> my piano wire is 0.022".  We use it for making plumb bobs that you  
> hang from the top of an elevator shaft and hang a ten pound fish  
> plate at the bottom.  It's tough stuff.
>
> If you can use some, I can stick some in an envelope.  I'm sure  
> McMaster-Carr would have exactly the diameter you need.  It's not  
> expensive.
>
> Rob
>
>
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Sat Jun 23 08:48:42 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:48:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
Message-ID: <380-220076623154842218@coastalnet.com>

Frank,

Just find a piano tuner/technician in your area and he will probably
be able to give you a short piece of #13 piano wire.  That size is
.031.

Take care.

Ken




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Jun 23 09:46:05 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:46:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show & Auction Photos
References: <196359.73312.qm@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7b5b5$fe63f460$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Excellent as usual Steve!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show & Auction Photos


> Since I don't want to flood the market with too many photos at one time,
> Here are links to the first several events that I took in this year.
>
> A Friday night car cruz in my hometown of Downers Grove, IL (the suburbs
> of Chicago) that featured gas engines and tractors....My Dad and I got
> "Best in show trophy"  We also got invited back at the end of the summer
> for the Trophy night where the top exhibit from each weekend's cruz is on
> display...
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007DGCruz.htm
>
> Auction in Lacon IL (1 mile from the show the same day as the show) which
> took 2 hours to sell every thing.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007LaconAuction.htm
>
> Show at Lacon IL
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007Lacon.htm
>
> Oh, I forgot the toy show that has a tractor show with it in mid march in
> Sublette, IL...Didn't take any photos of the toys, but did take some of
> the tractors in the few spare minutes that I had as I was busy most of the
> day helping a dealer sell construction models.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2007Sublette.htm
>
> And IF you didn't have enough to look at,  The auction results from North,
> VA are at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007simon1.htm
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jun 23 12:19:03 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:19:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
In-Reply-To: <53C57F7C-B310-4098-8364-31CD3BD58160@rustyiron.com>
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Hi Frank,

Most good hobby shops would also stock a wide selection of piano wire in short
lengths (18" or 36").  Its usually with the model airplane stuff.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> I'm no metalurgist, but I'll pretend to know something in this  
> instance.  Silver Steel is a colloquialism for high-carbon steel.   
> Piano wire is high carbon steel.  I just checked the garage, and all  
> my piano wire is 0.022".  We use it for making plumb bobs that you  
> hang from the top of an elevator shaft and hang a ten pound fish  
> plate at the bottom.  It's tough stuff.
> 
> If you can use some, I can stick some in an envelope.  I'm sure  
> McMaster-Carr would have exactly the diameter you need.  It's not  
> expensive.



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sat Jun 23 13:37:17 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:37:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Show Pictures
Message-ID: <20070623204206.13B9158D89@gw1.nlenet.net>


Hi All,
         Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are 
now up on our
HP at: 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html 
Sorry there are
so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
         Dave


What's the story on the steam roller in the weeds? That's just not 
right.  Did you see what kind it is?

Frank

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun 23 15:21:14 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:21:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
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>Hi All,
>         Pictures of Plow Days, Brownsville, SIAM and Coolspring are now 
> up on our
>HP at: 
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html 
>Sorry there are
>so many pictures of the 11 HP Austral, but I DO love that engine!
>         Dave
>What's the story on the steam roller in the weeds? That's just not 
>right.  Did you see what kind it is?
>Frank

Hi Frank,
         It's a Buffalo-Springfield road roller. (It runs on gasoline.) The 
guy who was driving it decided to go up hill and change gears while doing 
so. He missed the gear that he was trying to get it into and rolled down 
hill backwards--and into a gully. (The thing apparently has no brakes.)  No 
one was hurt luckily! They got the roller out of the gully on Sunday after 
the show. Some scratches on the paint, but otherwise no damage. Could have 
been a LOT worse!
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun 23 15:27:16 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:27:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
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Is this a GREAT List, or what?
         Dave

At 02:19 PM 6/23/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Frank,
>
>Most good hobby shops would also stock a wide selection of piano wire in short
>lengths (18" or 36").  Its usually with the model airplane stuff.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:
>
> > I'm no metalurgist, but I'll pretend to know something in this
> > instance.  Silver Steel is a colloquialism for high-carbon steel.
> > Piano wire is high carbon steel.  I just checked the garage, and all
> > my piano wire is 0.022".  We use it for making plumb bobs that you
> > hang from the top of an elevator shaft and hang a ten pound fish
> > plate at the bottom.  It's tough stuff.
> >
> > If you can use some, I can stick some in an envelope.  I'm sure
> > McMaster-Carr would have exactly the diameter you need.  It's not
> > expensive.
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 23 15:49:22 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:49:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
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Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEHJFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

John:

I bought a couple of cans of Red Devil Lye just a couple of years ago.  Found it in the drain cleaning section at one store and the detergent/soap section at another.

You COULD do it the old fashioned way and simply slowly pour water over wood ashes.  What results is what they used to make soap in the "good old days".

"sodium hydroxide" (lye) should be commonly available at chemical supply houses.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of John Culp
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 07:57 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> 
> 
> > You mean Red Devil Lye?
> 
> Alas, it's been off the market for a few years, 
> which has put me out of 
> the soapmaking business. I've just located some 
> new sources of lye, but 
> now I have to go through a bunch of Mickey Mouse 
> crap with faxing in 
> liability releases to order it and recalculate 
> recipes because it comes 
> in different size containers.
> 
> John Culp




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 23 15:51:23 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:51:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <c5b.127e1887.33a89704@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEHKFNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Remember the first rules of thermodynamics.......

Rule one:  You can never win!

Rule two: You can't even break even!

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> JR504 at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 09:19 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
> 
> 
>  
> It's funny you say that.  I was giving a talk on 
> Biodiesel at a  regional 
> alternative energy fair and there was a guy there 
> promoting a system  that uses 
> the alternator to split water into hydrogen and 
> oxygen, and then  plumbs it at 
> low pressure into the intake manifold, claiming 
> power and mileage  benefits.  
> When I questioned how the tailpipe emissions 
> could  possibly be oxygen (my 
> combustion chemistry must be getting fuzzy) he 
> got  pretty cranky.  He bashed my 
> lack of vision saying I was the kind of guy  that 
> stood in the way of energy 
> progress.  Well, I ended up saying that I  had a 
> vision of a car that ran on 
> grass clippings and emitted ice cream (to  
> consume on the trip, you know)...but 
> that didn't mean it could happen  someday.  As 
> you might imagine, we're not 
> buddies now.  
> As long as there are people to listen, there will 
> be people talking about  
> free energy and 100 MPG carburetors.  Hopefully 
> us nay-sayers and  repressors 
> don't discourage someone from inventing the REAL 
> flux capacitor.  :-)
>  
> Joe




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun 23 15:06:18 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (johnculp at chartertn.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:06:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - new engine designs
Message-ID: <860737654.1182636378079.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>

---- R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote: 
> Hey, if wit was burnable, we could ALL ride free!!

Us half-wits could ride for half price. 

John 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun 23 17:16:40 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (johnculp at chartertn.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:16:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
Message-ID: <858579064.1182644200292.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>

---- Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote: 
> John:
> 
> I bought a couple of cans of Red Devil Lye just a couple of years ago.  Found it in the drain cleaning section at one store and the detergent/soap section at another.
> 
> You COULD do it the old fashioned way and simply slowly pour water over wood ashes.  What results is what they used to make soap in the "good old days".
> 
> "sodium hydroxide" (lye) should be commonly available at chemical supply houses.

Yeah. What came out of the wood ashes in a pot is potash, aptly named. Highly variable in composition, it made soap of highly variable quality, and of soft and gooey texture. "The old soft soap." 

Chemical supply houses tend to be suspicious of new buyers these days. Buying lye in quantity tends to put one on watch lists for meth makers. I think pressure from law enforcement agencies against groceries carrying Red Devil Lye pushed it out of business. I've found it impossible to buy concentrated ammonia locally for some time on account of the same reason. 

Several years ago I ran across a law enforcement document online, not intended to be public, explaining the technique to be used of going to store managers, flashing the badge, and explaining that customers looking for these substances were likely to be manufacturing illegal drugs. If they were not known to the manager, he should act as though he did not have the stuff, get as good a description of the attempted buyer and his vehicle as possible, and call the cops. That happened to me when I went to a janitorial supply house looking for strong ammonia! Store manager must've just been visited by the cops. He looked like he'd just seen a ghost. Looked me up and down trying to memorize my description as he stammered that they didn't have any and didn't know where I could get any, then peeked out the blinds to try to see my car and license plate. Must've thought I was a big meth kingpin for sure. Wal-Mart set off an alarm when Jane unknowingly bought more cold medicine with pseudephedrine than they unofficially allowed, before there were any legal restrictions, and there were no notices posted. They did the same with paint thinner and denatured alcohol. 

The whole idea of prior restraint, restricting honest citizens' access to legal things with normal legitimate uses because they COULD be misused, is wrong IMO. Same idea as gun control, no difference. I'm tired of hearing "If it saves just one child, it's worth it!" Meanwhile, I can't blame the chemical dealers for being scared. A dealer in Chattanooga got a 15 year prison sentence last year. Said he should've known anybody buying a bunch of elemental iodine was probably making meth. Bull! I can't buy the idea that a chemical dealer is a mindreader who knows what somebody's going to do with the stuff he sells, or that iodine automatically means somebody's making meth. I well recall acquiring several pounds of it myself in my younger days. Most of it went up in pretty purple smoke bombs, actually. But that poor guy's sitting in federal prison, his life ruined. This is just another small example of how the war on drugs is ruining our society. Not drugs themselves; the war on drugs. That's what's made the drug problem. The more we fight it, the worse we make it.



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sat Jun 23 19:00:53 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:00:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Show Pictures
Message-ID: <20070624020153.CE09657C82@gw1.nlenet.net>


 >What's the story on the steam roller in the weeds? That's just not
 >right.  Did you see what kind it is?
 >Frank

Hi Frank,
          It's a Buffalo-Springfield road roller. (It runs on gasoline.) The
guy who was driving it decided to go up hill and change gears while doing
so. He missed the gear that he was trying to get it into and rolled down
hill backwards--and into a gully. (The thing apparently has no brakes.)  No
one was hurt luckily! They got the roller out of the gully on Sunday after
the show. Some scratches on the paint, but otherwise no damage. Could have
been a LOT worse!
          Dave


That had to be quite a ride.  I drove a Buffalo-Springfield steam 
roller a couple of weeks ago.  It was a handful.  The smooth wheels 
have very little traction, the steering is slow and hard and it had 
no brakes, BUT with a steam engine you can reverse the engine and 
stop it in a hurry but gas...  Wow.

Here are a couple of shots of the steam version.
http://lbpinc.com/Steam/bs-2.jpg
This one shows part of the gear box.  Well OK there is no box.
http://lbpinc.com/Steam/BS-a.jpg

Frank

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From JR504 at aol.com  Sat Jun 23 20:42:42 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:42:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT Silver-steel wire.
Message-ID: <d18.d654457.33af4232@aol.com>

Hit N Miss enterprises sells .031" Music wire in 2 foot lengths for  $1.38.  
Part # HD351 if the online catalog is correct.
Joe Rappa
Mexico, NY



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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sun Jun 24 02:47:34 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:47:34 +1200
Subject: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent
In-Reply-To: <858579064.1182644200292.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>
References: <858579064.1182644200292.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>
Message-ID: <007b01c7b644$b18456a0$0301a8c0@tamatea1>

I have found in a rural area these chemicals are available for cleaning
dairy plant for farms so reasonably easy to buy concentrated sodium
hydroxide and sodium hypochloride strong alkalie cleaners those products you
mentioned have been the basic ingredients for most cleaners for years so i
dont understand why the reaction to people buying them.I wouldnt mind trying
to make some though just for the sake of it.Sodium hydroxide is good for an
electrolytic bath as it degreases the parts and removes paint at the same
time as the rust is removed. The other place i have been able to buy
degreasers is commercial cleaning companys that supply the local business ie
hotels and motels etc..I have bought ammonia at the supermarket for cleaning
withouit any problems.Again these days many of these products are being
replaced by user friendly products unfortunately most are not so good. 
brent      

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
johnculp at chartertn.net
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2007 12:17 p.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it! - Attention Brent

---- Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote: 
> John:
> 
> I bought a couple of cans of Red Devil Lye just a couple of years ago.
Found it in the drain cleaning section at one store and the detergent/soap
section at another.
> 
> You COULD do it the old fashioned way and simply slowly pour water over
wood ashes.  What results is what they used to make soap in the "good old
days".
> 
> "sodium hydroxide" (lye) should be commonly available at chemical supply
houses.

Yeah. What came out of the wood ashes in a pot is potash, aptly named.
Highly variable in composition, it made soap of highly variable quality, and
of soft and gooey texture. "The old soft soap." 

Chemical supply houses tend to be suspicious of new buyers these days.
Buying lye in quantity tends to put one on watch lists for meth makers. I
think pressure from law enforcement agencies against groceries carrying Red
Devil Lye pushed it out of business. I've found it impossible to buy
concentrated ammonia locally for some time on account of the same reason. 

Several years ago I ran across a law enforcement document online, not
intended to be public, explaining the technique to be used of going to store
managers, flashing the badge, and explaining that customers looking for
these substances were likely to be manufacturing illegal drugs. If they were
not known to the manager, he should act as though he did not have the stuff,
get as good a description of the attempted buyer and his vehicle as
possible, and call the cops. That happened to me when I went to a janitorial
supply house looking for strong ammonia! Store manager must've just been
visited by the cops. He looked like he'd just seen a ghost. Looked me up and
down trying to memorize my description as he stammered that they didn't have
any and didn't know where I could get any, then peeked out the blinds to try
to see my car and license plate. Must've thought I was a big meth kingpin
for sure. Wal-Mart set off an alarm when Jane unknowingly bought more cold
medicine with pseu!
 dephedrine than they unofficially allowed, before there were any legal
restrictions, and there were no notices posted. They did the same with paint
thinner and denatured alcohol. 

The whole idea of prior restraint, restricting honest citizens' access to
legal things with normal legitimate uses because they COULD be misused, is
wrong IMO. Same idea as gun control, no difference. I'm tired of hearing "If
it saves just one child, it's worth it!" Meanwhile, I can't blame the
chemical dealers for being scared. A dealer in Chattanooga got a 15 year
prison sentence last year. Said he should've known anybody buying a bunch of
elemental iodine was probably making meth. Bull! I can't buy the idea that a
chemical dealer is a mindreader who knows what somebody's going to do with
the stuff he sells, or that iodine automatically means somebody's making
meth. I well recall acquiring several pounds of it myself in my younger
days. Most of it went up in pretty purple smoke bombs, actually. But that
poor guy's sitting in federal prison, his life ruined. This is just another
small example of how the war on drugs is ruining our society. Not drugs
themselves; the war on d!
 rugs. That's what's made the drug problem. The more we fight it, the worse
we make it.

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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sun Jun 24 06:32:33 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:32:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Stration
Message-ID: <20070624103242.1D85B39D948@md5.pennswoods.net>

Can any one give me the app years the model A briggs was built And 
the model F in this line
Thanks
R Fink




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun 24 04:36:50 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 07:36:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Stration
References: <20070624103242.1D85B39D948@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <006501c7b653$f4f22840$19eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>

Try these--I think you'll recognize one of the names.

http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Technical/Briggs.htm



John Hall


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:32 AM
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Stration


> Can any one give me the app years the model A briggs was built And 
> the model F in this line
> Thanks
> R Fink
> 
> 
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sun Jun 24 08:09:03 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:09:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Stration
In-Reply-To: <006501c7b653$f4f22840$19eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <20070624103242.1D85B39D948@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<006501c7b653$f4f22840$19eb4c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <20070624120914.A6C4D39D95E@md5.pennswoods.net>

Thanks John that is just what i needed.
R Fink



At 07:36 AM 6/24/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>Try these--I think you'll recognize one of the names.
>
>http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Technical/Briggs.htm
>
>
>
>John Hall
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:32 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Briggs Stration
>
>
> > Can any one give me the app years the model A briggs was built And
> > the model F in this line
> > Thanks
> > R Fink
> >
> >
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jun 24 12:44:05 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:44:05 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Show & Auction Photos
Message-ID: <d3c.b9d8898.33b02385@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/19/2007 10:51:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
stevebarr at ameritech.net writes:

A Friday night car cruz in my hometown of Downers Grove, IL (the suburbs
of Chicago) that featured gas engines and tractors....

Steve,
 
Been taking my engines to the local car cruise in at the mall once a month 
for a number of years.  Have a great time as most do not know what they are and 
I am the only thing there making noise.  The cars just sit there looking 
pretty in there shiny paint jobs!  Lots of people there asking questions and Millie 
usually has to drag me away to get home at a reasonable night time hour.
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Jun 24 13:02:38 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:02:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine show at Astle Park
Message-ID: <000d01c7b69a$9ec025c0$e5c30b52@no1>

I enjoyed this 23rd engine show despite the rain showers that occurred a few times on both days.
The site seemed quite good when I left despite the rain.
Lots of lovely engines as usual and as always a good number that I had never seen before.
My pictures are at
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/559604996YiqUAT
I have forgoten the names of several engines, If you know them send me an E Mail & I will correct them.
TIA

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jun 24 23:19:45 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:19:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
Message-ID: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi All
Here is a good auction coming up.

http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/schurman_listing/

Pete, Oz


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun 25 00:26:13 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:26:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
References: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <051001c7b6fb$c2860cc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Sounds good!I didnt know there were any of a few of these in Oz.
I like the Brownwall.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 4:19 PM
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.


> Hi All
> Here is a good auction coming up.
>
> http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/schurman_listing/
>
> Pete, Oz
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun 25 04:24:20 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:24:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
In-Reply-To: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <467FA5E4.9050500@scrtc.com>

The worst part about the auction Peter is that it is the same date as 
Portland.  It would be a good one to go to.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hi All
>Here is a good auction coming up.
>
>http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/schurman_listing/
>
>Pete, Oz
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>  
>



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jun 25 04:35:34 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:35:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
References: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<467FA5E4.9050500@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <004801c7b71c$f1d3b7e0$0601a8c0@altech>

Yes Tommy, it makes it hard, but if there is something you want and you got 
the money, there will always be another Portland ;-))

Peter, Oz



> The worst part about the auction Peter is that it is the same date as
> Portland.  It would be a good one to go to.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>Hi All
>>Here is a good auction coming up.
>>
>>http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/schurman_listing/
>>
>>Pete, Oz
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun 25 04:55:56 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:55:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] My Austral
Message-ID: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I put my Austral away on the weekend until its next outing later in the
year. While I was doing that I thought I would take a longer video of it
running and put it on YouTube. There are few nicer looking engines than an
Austral sideshaft, lamp-start engine :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw97xYfA9kY
 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jun 25 06:35:04 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:35:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My Austral
In-Reply-To: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070625082427.01f42dc0@mail.alltel.net>

At 06:55 AM 6/25/2007, you wrote:
>I put my Austral away on the weekend until its next outing later in the
>year. While I was doing that I thought I would take a longer video of it
>running and put it on YouTube. There are few nicer looking engines than an
>Austral sideshaft, lamp-start engine :)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw97xYfA9kY
>Patrick M Livingstone

I agree with you 100% Patrick! I know that my 11 HP Austral gets a LOT of 
attention at the shows to which I've taken it. It not only runs smoothly 
and with very little noise, but it's sheer mass is impressive. Add to this 
6 functions driven by the side shaft (and the "magic" that transpires when 
the timing valve is actuated) and you have a real show stopper!
         Dave
PS, I note that (if I am counting correctly) your 3.5 is hitting about 
every 40th time over. At what speed is it running? (My 11 HP hits about 
every 18th/20th time when running at about 90 RPM's)




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 25 08:23:19 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:23:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
In-Reply-To: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <001301c7b6f0$d39804b0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706251122220.64337@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Pete,

Are you SURE about this auction?  There isn't a single R&V or Maytag on
offer!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Here is a good auction coming up.
> http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/schurman_listing/



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 25 10:20:55 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:20:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706251122220.64337@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F32BB9E30AB31B066C23B2095140@phx.gbl>



Speaking of Auctions, Did anyone get pics or prices of the Bardstown Ky. 
auction this past weekend? I wasn't able to make it.    Steve

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Mon Jun 25 12:27:13 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:27:13 +1200
Subject: [SEL] My Austral
In-Reply-To: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <002801c7b75e$d8d67290$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Cool video of yor austral engine can see what it would attract attention
;ovely engine.brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2007 11:56 p.m.
To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List
Subject: [SEL] My Austral

I put my Austral away on the weekend until its next outing later in the
year. While I was doing that I thought I would take a longer video of it
running and put it on YouTube. There are few nicer looking engines than an
Austral sideshaft, lamp-start engine :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw97xYfA9kY
 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Jun 25 14:29:03 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:29:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My Austral
References: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<002801c7b75e$d8d67290$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <000701c7b76f$db88d8a0$6500a8c0@home>

Hi Dave ;

     I bet your getting real sick and tired of all the people looking , 
watching and asking all sorts of questions  about that Austral , Well I have 
the answer to your problem , When you bring that Engine to Baraboo I will 
save you the trouble of hauling it to Portland , Just bring it to my house 
and I will help you load all my 12 engines on your trailer as an even trade 
, Hell I'll even throw in my toy steam engines , only two of the engines are 
Maytag's so you don't have to spend a fortune on axe's  , Now here is the 
question
DEAL OR NO DEAL ?    :-))

Rex Hinz

 >
> -----Original Message-----
 Mailing List
> Subject: [SEL] My Austral
>
> I put my Austral away on the weekend until its next outing later in the
> year. While I was doing that I thought I would take a longer video of it
> running and put it on YouTube.  >
>
> 


From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Mon Jun 25 17:25:35 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:25:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Auctions coming up.
References: <BAY144-F32BB9E30AB31B066C23B2095140@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004401c7b788$84e08390$5cb5123f@D8LJ7K91>

Steve,

Go over to smokstak.com, today's posts and scroll down to Kentucky Auction.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Auctions coming up.


>
>
> Speaking of Auctions, Did anyone get pics or prices of the Bardstown Ky.
> auction this past weekend? I wasn't able to make it.    Steve
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 25 18:16:26 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:16:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My Austral
References: <20070625115526.CTNC20226.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <003701c7b78f$9edd7b70$240110ac@FAMILY>

Nice Patrick, thanks.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: [SEL] My Austral


>I put my Austral away on the weekend until its next outing later in the
> year. While I was doing that I thought I would take a longer video of it
> running and put it on YouTube. There are few nicer looking engines than an
> Austral sideshaft, lamp-start engine :)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw97xYfA9kY
>
> 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Jun 26 00:54:42 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:54:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] My Austral
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070625082427.01f42dc0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20070626075409.IQBC338.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Dave,
	My engine does not have quite as many things moving as on your
engine (no water pump on my engine). It is actually hard to tell when my
engine fires as it is very, very quiet. The cams make more noise than the
exhaust. I usually have it ticking over at around 120rpm. It runs a little
cool at this speed but it can run all day without the lamp. On one very hot
day I had it running at less than 50rpm (occasionally the spokes would
actually stop before it fired). Eventually a slight breeze caused it to cool
of and stop. I don't like running it that slow as there is a lot of flex in
the 5 piece crankshaft & I do not want to break anything.
The bottom-tank portables with the cooling tower have a very distinctive
exhaust note and are great to listen too :) My engine sounds different as it
has a big cast muffler as part of the turntable and the big, cast iron
"cannon'.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


I agree with you 100% Patrick! I know that my 11 HP Austral gets a LOT of 
attention at the shows to which I've taken it. It not only runs smoothly 
and with very little noise, but it's sheer mass is impressive. Add to this 
6 functions driven by the side shaft (and the "magic" that transpires when 
the timing valve is actuated) and you have a real show stopper!
         Dave
PS, I note that (if I am counting correctly) your 3.5 is hitting about 
every 40th time over. At what speed is it running? (My 11 HP hits about 
every 18th/20th time when running at about 90 RPM's)





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 26 08:24:59 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:24:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Geek Cred AND Engine Related!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706261121420.80032@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

Since these are computer-based email lists, y'all do qualify in the geek
department.  And obviously, we're all engine mad.

THIS is a must-have piece of computer hardware!!  Enjoy!!

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/solidalliances-usb-2-0-engine-hub-drives-
your-geek-cred/

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun 26 07:50:49 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:50:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Geek Cred AND Engine Related!
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0706261121420.80032@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001601c7b801$6405d390$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] Geek Cred AND Engine Related!


> Hiya Folks,
> Since these are computer-based email lists, y'all do qualify in the geek
> department.  And obviously, we're all engine mad.
> THIS is a must-have piece of computer hardware!!  Enjoy!!
> http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/solidalliances-usb-2-0-engine-hub-drives-
> your-geek-cred/
> See ya,  Arnie

If you have problems try
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/solidalliances-usb-2-0-engine-hub-drives-your-geek-cred/


Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Jun 26 16:32:44 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:32:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Geek Cred AND Engine Related!
Message-ID: <20070626233324.7A6B357D1C@gw1.nlenet.net>

No way, That is just silly, I would never buy one.

Now if it was a V twin....

Arnie, I know what you are planing.  Buy it and then Dropasmallblockinit.

Frank


Hiya Folks,

Since these are computer-based email lists, y'all do qualify in the geek
department.  And obviously, we're all engine mad.

THIS is a must-have piece of computer hardware!!  Enjoy!!

<http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/solidalliances-usb-2-0-engine-hub-drives->http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/solidalliances-usb-2-0-engine-hub-drives-
your-geek-cred/

See ya,  Arnie




From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Tue Jun 26 18:40:35 2007
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:40:35 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
Message-ID: <002e01c7b85c$2a21d1f0$210110ac@service>

Hi guys ( & girls ) ,
something different, a couple of engine related questions, on a famous engine is the fuel pump drive pin screwed or pressed into the cam, if it is screwed what thread?, i have one broken off that i am trying to remove.
On a Stewart or Cooper little wonder (coffee pot engine) what are the height of cooling pipes out the top of cylinder into hopper, is one longer than the other to make the thermocycle work? Thanks for any help, cheers for now,
Chester from West Aussie.


From plb at iinet.net.au  Wed Jun 27 03:22:23 2007
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:22:23 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
In-Reply-To: <002e01c7b85c$2a21d1f0$210110ac@service>
References: <002e01c7b85c$2a21d1f0$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <00f001c7b8a5$0d6c1450$28443cf0$@net.au>

Chester,with the the fuel pump pin if it won't come out bring it to me and I
can spark erode it out for you. Mates rates for old engine work.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 9:41 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Hi guys ( & girls ) ,
something different, a couple of engine related questions, on a famous
engine is the fuel pump drive pin screwed or pressed into the cam, if it is
screwed what thread?, i have one broken off that i am trying to remove.
On a Stewart or Cooper little wonder (coffee pot engine) what are the height
of cooling pipes out the top of cylinder into hopper, is one longer than the
other to make the thermocycle work? Thanks for any help, cheers for now,
Chester from West Aussie.
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Wed Jun 27 04:09:53 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:09:53 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
In-Reply-To: <00f001c7b8a5$0d6c1450$28443cf0$@net.au>
References: <002e01c7b85c$2a21d1f0$210110ac@service>
	<00f001c7b8a5$0d6c1450$28443cf0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <001101c7b8ab$b114b070$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

Ray i am new to this what is to spark erode is that to use the arc welder on
it not heard of that before sounds interesting sorry if its a dumb
question..Just never heard of that before. i have unseized parts on moters
if the parts are steel i have found electrolysis to work extremely well as
the current passes right through in to areas that penetrants cant get into i
discovered this when unseizing some delicate parts on a very old sewing
machine made around 1895 i found that the parts that had been seized didnt
need much force to undo .With this process it cleans the grease and oil and
rust,paint also.Not good for alloys though will eat them away. brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R and E
Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 10:22 p.m.
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Chester,with the the fuel pump pin if it won't come out bring it to me and I
can spark erode it out for you. Mates rates for old engine work.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 9:41 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Hi guys ( & girls ) ,
something different, a couple of engine related questions, on a famous
engine is the fuel pump drive pin screwed or pressed into the cam, if it is
screwed what thread?, i have one broken off that i am trying to remove.
On a Stewart or Cooper little wonder (coffee pot engine) what are the height
of cooling pipes out the top of cylinder into hopper, is one longer than the
other to make the thermocycle work? Thanks for any help, cheers for now,
Chester from West Aussie.
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Wed Jun 27 05:53:49 2007
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:53:49 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
In-Reply-To: <001101c7b8ab$b114b070$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
References: <002e01c7b85c$2a21d1f0$210110ac@service>	<00f001c7b8a5$0d6c1450$28443cf0$@net.au>
	<001101c7b8ab$b114b070$0201a8c0@tamatea1>
Message-ID: <00f101c7b8ba$3519a750$9f4cf5f0$@net.au>

A spark eroding machine uses a brass electrode that jumps a small spark to
the job through fluid. If you have a broken stud,drill or thread tap you can
erode it out and in most cases leave the hole and threads virtually
undamaged. http://www.joemars.com/p7.htm
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of brent.tamatea
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 7:10 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Ray i am new to this what is to spark erode is that to use the arc welder on
it not heard of that before sounds interesting sorry if its a dumb
question..Just never heard of that before. i have unseized parts on moters
if the parts are steel i have found electrolysis to work extremely well as
the current passes right through in to areas that penetrants cant get into i
discovered this when unseizing some delicate parts on a very old sewing
machine made around 1895 i found that the parts that had been seized didnt
need much force to undo .With this process it cleans the grease and oil and
rust,paint also.Not good for alloys though will eat them away. brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R and E
Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 10:22 p.m.
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Chester,with the the fuel pump pin if it won't come out bring it to me and I
can spark erode it out for you. Mates rates for old engine work.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 9:41 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Hi guys ( & girls ) ,
something different, a couple of engine related questions, on a famous
engine is the fuel pump drive pin screwed or pressed into the cam, if it is
screwed what thread?, i have one broken off that i am trying to remove.
On a Stewart or Cooper little wonder (coffee pot engine) what are the height
of cooling pipes out the top of cylinder into hopper, is one longer than the
other to make the thermocycle work? Thanks for any help, cheers for now,
Chester from West Aussie.
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From JR504 at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 07:26:02 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:26:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] United Type A
Message-ID: <be7.18ee0cc9.33b3cd7a@aol.com>

I just purchased this air cooled United Type A.  Despite a thick  layer of 
grease, dirt and dust it was in very nice shape.  After a day of  disassembly, 
cleaning and reassembly I got it running.  There's a little  more play than I'd 
like to see in the piston end of the connecting rod, but  it can wait until 
the end of the show season for repair.  The low  compression was caused by 
mouse nest debris holding the exhaust valve open a  little.  
My questions are: What did United use to drive the cooling fan?  I've  got a 
piece of rope running it now but it slips quite a bit.  Anyone every  try a 
big rubber band?  I didn't have one to try.  
What voltage should I use with an original style low tension coil?  I  ran it 
with a 12V AGM battery with no problems, but I'd hate to burn the ignitor  
contacts if that's too much.
Thanks,  and thanks Arnie for the previous help,
Joe Rappa
Mexico, NY
 
 
 
 Hi Joe,

Actually that sounds like good news.  The valves  should be a cheaper /
easier fix than a bore / rings job.

If you look  in Wendel or the Amanco book that model might have originally
been LT battery  & coil.  I'm not all that familiar with the air cooled
engines in  that line.

Good luck with the purchase!!

See ya,   Arnie

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 JR504 at aol.com wrote:

> There's no  rotary mag present.  It has what appears to be a  non-original
>  battery box, with an old battery and low tension coil in  it.  The  reason 
I
> believe it is valves instead of rings is that you can   hear air escaping 
out the
> top of the engine when you pull it  through  compression.  I saw the 
muffler was
> missing and it  has a vertical exhaust  so I was thinking it was most likely
> crud  or corrosion sticking a valve.   I'm glad it had been protected from  
the
> weather or it would be a real   mess.





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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jun 27 08:09:19 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:09:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV9DAFB9AA3FA02772ADBDDBB0A0@phx.gbl>


  Howdy all..been on the other side of the tracks for a while hoping to boil 
some water one of these days soon :-)

  Did run across this engine the other day tho...thought it was unique as 
everything is on the off side.  Webster fired, closed cc, piping to me is 
quite unique, running from the back of the cylinder to the front and then 
out.  Never seen this before.

  I will find out if it wants to new home.

Pix's start at:

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2140454790039077051UlZlEE

and hit next for more.

Any info appreciated

TIA,
RickinMt. 



From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Wed Jun 27 09:09:47 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:09:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
In-Reply-To: <00f101c7b8ba$3519a750$9f4cf5f0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <00e501c7b8d5$959e8fd0$6401a8c0@PaulNew>

That looks good .. I am just getting too old to justify hahaha
Paul Waugh

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R and E
Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:54 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

A spark eroding machine uses a brass electrode that jumps a small spark to
the job through fluid. If you have a broken stud,drill or thread tap you can
erode it out and in most cases leave the hole and threads virtually
undamaged. http://www.joemars.com/p7.htm
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of brent.tamatea
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 7:10 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Ray i am new to this what is to spark erode is that to use the arc welder on
it not heard of that before sounds interesting sorry if its a dumb
question..Just never heard of that before. i have unseized parts on moters
if the parts are steel i have found electrolysis to work extremely well as
the current passes right through in to areas that penetrants cant get into i
discovered this when unseizing some delicate parts on a very old sewing
machine made around 1895 i found that the parts that had been seized didnt
need much force to undo .With this process it cleans the grease and oil and
rust,paint also.Not good for alloys though will eat them away. brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R and E
Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 10:22 p.m.
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Chester,with the the fuel pump pin if it won't come out bring it to me and I
can spark erode it out for you. Mates rates for old engine work.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 9:41 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

Hi guys ( & girls ) ,
something different, a couple of engine related questions, on a famous
engine is the fuel pump drive pin screwed or pressed into the cam, if it is
screwed what thread?, i have one broken off that i am trying to remove.
On a Stewart or Cooper little wonder (coffee pot engine) what are the height
of cooling pipes out the top of cylinder into hopper, is one longer than the
other to make the thermocycle work? Thanks for any help, cheers for now,
Chester from West Aussie.
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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Wed Jun 27 10:07:39 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:07:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
References: <BAY113-DAV9DAFB9AA3FA02772ADBDDBB0A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01c7b8dd$ac6f0a70$98ac123f@D8LJ7K91>

Rick,

I've got one of those.  The real surprise came when I grabbed the crank to 
crank it.  The crank also fits the opposite side.  It is a funny feeling to 
crank left handed or backwards right handed.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp


>
>  Howdy all..been on the other side of the tracks for a while hoping to 
> boil some water one of these days soon :-)
>
>  Did run across this engine the other day tho...thought it was unique as 
> everything is on the off side.  Webster fired, closed cc, piping to me is 
> quite unique, running from the back of the cylinder to the front and then 
> out.  Never seen this before.
>
>  I will find out if it wants to new home.
>
> Pix's start at:
>
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2140454790039077051UlZlEE
>
> and hit next for more.
>
> Any info appreciated
>
> TIA,
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 15:25:39 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:25:39 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
Message-ID: <ca8.115a612c.33b43de3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/27/2007 9:02:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
plb at iinet.net.au writes:

A spark eroding machine uses a brass electrode that jumps a small spark to
the job through fluid.

A technical name for it is EDM or Electrode Discharge Machining.  Great 
machine for getting broken taps out of holes!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun 27 16:09:26 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:09:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
Message-ID: <006101c7b910$36355a70$e8046c3a@fred>

Hi,
Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will put more on when restoration is finished.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au



From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Wed Jun 27 16:31:08 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:31:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <006101c7b910$36355a70$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <012d01c7b913$3d3ca410$6401a8c0@PaulNew>

OK, I'll bite, what does 'lamp start' mean

Paul Waugh - IN

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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:09 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] New Toy

Hi,
Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will put
more on when restoration is finished.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun 27 16:44:02 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:44:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <012d01c7b913$3d3ca410$6401a8c0@PaulNew>
References: <012d01c7b913$3d3ca410$6401a8c0@PaulNew>
Message-ID: <4682F642.3020700@imc-group.com>

Paul,
Basically the same as hot bulb. A cast iron box is heated by a lamp 
(flame) to over the spontaneous combustion temp of the fuel. When the 
engine is pulled thru the starting procedure the hot bulb ignites the 
fuel. Once the engine is running under load the lamp can be extinguished 
as sufficient heat will be generated and retained within the hot bulb.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul wrote:
> OK, I'll bite, what does 'lamp start' mean
>
> Paul Waugh - IN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:09 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] New Toy
>
> Hi,
> Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
> it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will put
> more on when restoration is finished.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne 
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
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From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Wed Jun 27 16:56:47 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:56:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <4682F642.3020700@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <012e01c7b916$d2a77f40$6401a8c0@PaulNew>

Thank You

Paul Waugh

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:44 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toy

Paul,
Basically the same as hot bulb. A cast iron box is heated by a lamp 
(flame) to over the spontaneous combustion temp of the fuel. When the 
engine is pulled thru the starting procedure the hot bulb ignites the 
fuel. Once the engine is running under load the lamp can be extinguished 
as sufficient heat will be generated and retained within the hot bulb.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul wrote:
> OK, I'll bite, what does 'lamp start' mean
>
> Paul Waugh - IN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:09 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] New Toy
>
> Hi,
> Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
> it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will put
> more on when restoration is finished.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne 
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
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From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Wed Jun 27 17:26:11 2007
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:26:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] EDM
Message-ID: <001301c7b91a$edba8260$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>

Brent,

R.E. spark erode, we call it an EDM (electric discharge machine) over here.  Caught one on fire once.

Joe


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jun 27 18:15:24 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:15:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] EDM
In-Reply-To: <001301c7b91a$edba8260$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
References: <001301c7b91a$edba8260$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>
Message-ID: <46830BAC.5040606@scrtc.com>

Joe,
    When I was getting my undergraduate degree in engineering we used an 
EDM to fabricate parts and I remember the name as you state "Electric 
Discharge Machine".   I think we used carbon electrodes to do such 
things as burn square holes in steel plates and other items.  While I've 
never used one, the wire machines they have now are a trick as I've seen 
gears and intricate items cut with them that are as good as machined items.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote:

>Brent,
>
>R.E. spark erode, we call it an EDM (electric discharge machine) over here.  Caught one on fire once.
>
>Joe
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Jun 27 19:39:47 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:39:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  EDM
Message-ID: <20070628024341.36DBC57E01@gw1.nlenet.net>

Both wire EDM and electrode EDM are used extensively to make molds 
for injection molded plastic parts.  They can make parts that could 
not be machined.  Take a good look at your cell phone for a good 
example of what comes out of EDM molds.

I design for EDM when I have to. I actually try to design for 
conventional machining as the mold will cost less.

Frank


Joe,
     When I was getting my undergraduate degree in engineering we used an
EDM to fabricate parts and I remember the name as you state "Electric
Discharge Machine".   I think we used carbon electrodes to do such
things as burn square holes in steel plates and other items.  While I've
never used one, the wire machines they have now are a trick as I've seen
gears and intricate items cut with them that are as good as machined items.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Wed Jun 27 22:57:59 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:57:59 +1200
Subject: [SEL] EDM
In-Reply-To: <20070628024341.36DBC57E01@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <20070628024341.36DBC57E01@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <009e01c7b949$48d5a2a0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

That sounds really interesting had never heard of that process quite
amazing..thanks brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Frank DeWitt
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2007 2:40 p.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] EDM

Both wire EDM and electrode EDM are used extensively to make molds 
for injection molded plastic parts.  They can make parts that could 
not be machined.  Take a good look at your cell phone for a good 
example of what comes out of EDM molds.

I design for EDM when I have to. I actually try to design for 
conventional machining as the mold will cost less.

Frank


Joe,
     When I was getting my undergraduate degree in engineering we used an
EDM to fabricate parts and I remember the name as you state "Electric
Discharge Machine".   I think we used carbon electrodes to do such
things as burn square holes in steel plates and other items.  While I've
never used one, the wire machines they have now are a trick as I've seen
gears and intricate items cut with them that are as good as machined items.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


 
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
HONOR GOD
SERVE PEOPLE
DEVELOP EXCELLENCE
GROW PROFITABLE
FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES

    Frank DeWitt              |  mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
    LBP  INC.                   |  Fax     585 624 1038
    2365 Cox Rd.              |     N 42.9130  W 
77.5164|
    Bloomfield NY 14469   |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/

   



From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Wed Jun 27 23:01:57 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent.tamatea)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:01:57 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
In-Reply-To: <ca8.115a612c.33b43de3@aol.com>
References: <ca8.115a612c.33b43de3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00a201c7b949$d68db1f0$0201a8c0@tamatea1>

I think that is amazing technology is incredible.i guess they would be quite
expensive. brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2007 10:26 a.m.
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)

 
In a message dated 6/27/2007 9:02:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
plb at iinet.net.au writes:

A spark eroding machine uses a brass electrode that jumps a small spark to
the job through fluid.

A technical name for it is EDM or Electrode Discharge Machining.  Great 
machine for getting broken taps out of holes!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Thu Jun 28 03:41:10 2007
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:41:10 GMT
Subject: [SEL] United Type A
Message-ID: <20070628.064110.28047.0@webmail02.lax.untd.com>

Joe, United/Associated used a round leather belt to drive the fan. I
think it is 3/8" in diameter. I bet a long piece of oring cord stock,
glued together would work also.
Starbolt or Pederson should have the belting.
I always use a 6 volt battery on my low tension coils. I have been told
that a 12v battery can heat up the coil too much. I use those small
rechargeable gel cell batteries. 
Joe Kelley

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jun 28 04:51:58 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:51:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
References: <BAY113-DAV9DAFB9AA3FA02772ADBDDBB0A0@phx.gbl>
	<000d01c7b8dd$ac6f0a70$98ac123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV79FC93629AF38B503F4E1BB090@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the reply Glenn.  I did see the crank in the hopper but didn't 
pay any attention.

  What is the purpose of the external piping that runs down the side of the 
cylinder?

Rick




> Rick,
>
> I've got one of those.  The real surprise came when I grabbed the crank to
> crank it.  The crank also fits the opposite side.  It is a funny feeling 
> to
> crank left handed or backwards right handed.
>
>
>
> >
> >  Howdy all..been on the other side of the tracks for a while hoping to
> > boil some water one of these days soon :-)
> >
> >  Did run across this engine the other day tho...thought it was unique as
> > everything is on the off side.  Webster fired, closed cc, piping to me 
> > is
> > quite unique, running from the back of the cylinder to the front and 
> > then
> > out.  Never seen this before.
> >
> >  I will find out if it wants to new home.
> >
> > Pix's start at:
> >
> > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2140454790039077051UlZlEE
> >
> > and hit next for more.
> >
> > Any info appreciated
> >
> > TIA,
> > RickinMt.
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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Thu Jun 28 05:29:59 2007
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:29:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV79FC93629AF38B503F4E1BB090@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <435373.60534.qm@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rick

The engine has Ported Exhaust.

Steve
--- Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:

Thanks for the reply Glenn.  I did see the crank in the hopper but didn't
pay any attention.
 
What is the purpose of the external piping that runs down the side of the
cylinder?
 
Rick

Pix's start at:

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2140454790039077051UlZlEE
and hit next for more.

Any info appreciated

TIA,
RickinMt.



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jun 28 05:33:38 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:33:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
References: <435373.60534.qm@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV106CF547688B405CD09DE8BB090@phx.gbl>

Thanks Steve..I am not familiar with that term.

Rick




> Rick
> 
> The engine has Ported Exhaust.
> 
> Steve


From JR504 at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 08:13:49 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:13:49 EDT
Subject: [SEL] United Type A
Message-ID: <bdd.15b8051b.33b52a2d@aol.com>

 
Thanks Joe,
I don't believe I've ever seen round leather belting, so I would never have  
guessed that was what drives it.  Thanks for the advice on the 6V  battery.  I 
don't want to put a beating on the coil or ignitor  contacts.
Joe Rappa
Mexico, NY
 
In a message dated 6/28/2007 6:52:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
avanti_64 at juno.com writes:

Joe,  United/Associated used a round leather belt to drive the fan. I
think it is  3/8" in diameter. I bet a long piece of oring cord stock,
glued together  would work also.
Starbolt or Pederson should have the belting.
I always  use a 6 volt battery on my low tension coils. I have been told
that a 12v  battery can heat up the coil too much. I use those small
rechargeable gel  cell batteries. 
Joe Kelley








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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Thu Jun 28 08:38:32 2007
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:38:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV106CF547688B405CD09DE8BB090@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <626503.20997.qm@web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rick

Several Engines used "Ported Exhaust"  Gade is one of the most common that
used it.  I have seen early Galloway's, Ideal/GSM Engines, early Fuller &
Johnson.  There are others as well.

It allows the engine to run cooler by exhausting at the back end of the
power stroke prior to the exhaust stroke. The piston at the back of the
stroke uncovers 1/2 of the exhaust port.

Steve
--- Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:

Thanks Steve..I am not familiar with that term.
Rick

---- 
 
Rick

The engine has Ported Exhaust.

Steve



From skipl130 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 28 08:56:00 2007
From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:56:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
In-Reply-To: <626503.20997.qm@web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <788828.56544.qm@web35314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

domestic & early ottawa engines also had ported cylinders.  see rick, you're being educated.  see ya,  skip

Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net> wrote:  Rick

Several Engines used "Ported Exhaust" Gade is one of the most common that
used it. I have seen early Galloway's, Ideal/GSM Engines, early Fuller &
Johnson. There are others as well.

It allows the engine to run cooler by exhausting at the back end of the
power stroke prior to the exhaust stroke. The piston at the back of the
stroke uncovers 1/2 of the exhaust port.

Steve
--- Richard Strobel wrote:

Thanks Steve..I am not familiar with that term.
Rick

---- 

Rick

The engine has Ported Exhaust.

Steve

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From ddotto at cableone.net  Thu Jun 28 10:25:08 2007
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:25:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
In-Reply-To: <788828.56544.qm@web35314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c7b9a9$471e05f0$0201a8c0@SHOP>

Also Canfield and Callahan

Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA



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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Skip Landis
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:56 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp

domestic & early ottawa engines also had ported cylinders.  see rick, you're
being educated.  see ya,  skip

Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net> wrote:  Rick

Several Engines used "Ported Exhaust" Gade is one of the most common that
used it. I have seen early Galloway's, Ideal/GSM Engines, early Fuller &
Johnson. There are others as well.

It allows the engine to run cooler by exhausting at the back end of the
power stroke prior to the exhaust stroke. The piston at the back of the
stroke uncovers 1/2 of the exhaust port.

Steve
--- Richard Strobel wrote:

Thanks Steve..I am not familiar with that term.
Rick

---- 

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The engine has Ported Exhaust.

Steve

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From JR504 at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 10:59:47 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:59:47 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
Message-ID: <ca8.116dfc8e.33b55113@aol.com>

 

....don't forget the Maytags.  :-)
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/28/2007 1:32:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ddotto at cableone.net writes:

Steve  Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net> wrote:  Rick

Several Engines  used "Ported Exhaust" Gade is one of the most common that
used it. I have  seen early Galloway's, Ideal/GSM Engines, early Fuller &
Johnson. There  are others as well.

It allows the engine to run cooler by exhausting at  the back end of the
power stroke prior to the exhaust stroke. The piston at  the back of the
stroke uncovers 1/2 of the exhaust  port.

Steve
--- Richard Strobel wrote:

Thanks Steve..I am not  familiar with that term.
Rick

---- 

Rick

The engine  has Ported  Exhaust.

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jun 28 13:28:04 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:28:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
In-Reply-To: <001f01c7b9a9$471e05f0$0201a8c0@SHOP>
References: <001f01c7b9a9$471e05f0$0201a8c0@SHOP>
Message-ID: <468419D4.5040001@scrtc.com>

And Springfield, Columbus, White Middleton, GSM.... quite a few used the 
ported exhaust practice.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Also Canfield and Callahan
>
>Dave
>
>Dave Otto
>Boise, Idaho
>USA
>  
>



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun 28 15:53:20 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:53:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] check  this out.
Message-ID: <00aa01c7b9d7$2116fb90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

http://www.multitorch.de/hauptteil_index.html

I have been using this idea on models for a while now.
Plugs dont foul so much. I make an extension chamber that is only small but 
it seems to work for me.
I didnt know there was Business making it.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
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From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Thu Jun 28 17:33:23 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:33:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] check  this out.
References: <00aa01c7b9d7$2116fb90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <00de01c7b9e5$1a261060$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

The Packard V8 engines from 1955 through 1958 used this design built into 
the heads, just a small hole from the plug chamber into the combustion 
chamber. This engine, 374 ci. was used in the Studebaker Golden Hawk after 
the merger between Studebaker and Packard, that,s about the same time that 
Dave bought stock in the new companay formed from this merger.
No doubt there were others, you know, holes in the heads.
Skip
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From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
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Subject: check this out.


> http://www.multitorch.de/hauptteil_index.html
>
> I have been using this idea on models for a while now.
> Plugs dont foul so much. I make an extension chamber that is only small 
> but it seems to work for me.
> I didnt know there was Business making it.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jun 29 04:19:15 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:19:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] check  this out.
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c7b9d7$2116fb90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <00aa01c7b9d7$2116fb90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
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Reg,
Think these would reduce fouling of the plugs on my very tired tractor? 
'55 Ford 600. Almost every use I have to clean fouled plugs.
Curt

R & M Ingold wrote:
> http://www.multitorch.de/hauptteil_index.html
>
> I have been using this idea on models for a while now.
> Plugs dont foul so much. I make an extension chamber that is only small but 
> it seems to work for me.
> I didnt know there was Business making it.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
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From jim at hardmanfamily.net  Fri Jun 29 06:40:10 2007
From: jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:40:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Design (Check This Out)
Message-ID: <001501c7ba53$0687bf40$690c454b@Desktop>

Like so much in life, there's not much new.  Pre-combustion chambers in spark plugs have been touted since 1915.  Mosler advertised their Vesuvius plug spouting a gusher of flame, pictured bottom side up against the backdrop of an erupting volcano.  The Mosler Spit Fire was a well made spark plug.

Closed-base plugs were legion;  common examples include Reflex No. 1, National Torpedo, S&M, Never Miss #8, Blue Blaze, Randall, Sunderman, Comet, Inner Fire, EverReady Meteor, S&S, Bulls Eye (Conical Shell), Ball Multi, Janney Steinmetz, Vim, Sharp Spark, Hill 3A, Pep, The Ball, Mezger Torpedo, Reliance, Guide, H.P., Unique, Atlas, EKO, etc. etc.

Like the recent "Split Fire" plug with two ground electrodes, they didn't do much.

The idea of getting more spark to the combustible mix was also promoted by using two plugs at once;  a series plug installed opposite a standard plug (the hot lead ran through the series plug, then hard wired to the standard plug) allowed simultaneous ignition on opposite sides of the cylinder;  on some big L-head or T-head engines, where RPM was high and combustion chamber large, the concept had merit.

The one spark plug gimmick that really did work was an "intensifier" or external gap.  The coil had to produce higher voltage to discharge through two gaps in series and the resulting spark was "thick and strong" to quote the ad men.  When the working plug was partially fouled (current bleeding through carbon deposits on the porcelain or having to fire through oil on the points), the intensifier really did work.  Modern engines use this principle today... ignition wires contain no wire, they are carbon tracks promoting external resistance equivalent to an external gap.

Curt, you say that you have to clean your '55 Ford tractor plugs every time out... try an external spark gap.  These were originally little spacers fitted to the top of the plug;  gaps were sometimes visible inside glass sleeves or marbles, but often were open.  I have a few extra red fiber open gap examples if you want me to send a set to you.  Send your address off list.

Jim

Jim Hardman, Dorset
(A lonely conservative voice in green and liberal Vermont)

PS... It was good to meet Dave and other list members at Coolspring!


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jun 29 05:57:26 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:57:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] check  this out.
References: <00aa01c7b9d7$2116fb90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<4684EAB3.3040309@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <02d001c7ba4d$0dd15820$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I cant answer that but, the idea of having a small chamber where the first 
ignition happens, with a small passage to the main combustion area, allowing 
the flame to hit the main mass is not new.
I thought that if I did this, it would stop the plug fouling with partially 
burnt fuel mix.Models dont run hot enough to help burning of what is in 
there!
Hey, it does help. I have improved the running of quite a few of my models. 
I dont intend to go into maths, etc.to explain it. I couldnt anyway.
the simple basic idea seemed right to me.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] check this out.


> Reg,
> Think these would reduce fouling of the plugs on my very tired tractor?
> '55 Ford 600. Almost every use I have to clean fouled plugs.
> Curt
>
> R & M Ingold wrote:
>> http://www.multitorch.de/hauptteil_index.html
>>
>> I have been using this idea on models for a while now.
>> Plugs dont foul so much. I make an extension chamber that is only small 
>> but
>> it seems to work for me.
>> I didnt know there was Business making it.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>>
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Jun 30 17:59:15 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:59:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
Message-ID: <bc9.15045cfa.33b85663@aol.com>

Hey Men, 
 
I got a problem, I needed a flywheel for a 1 3/4S Hercules so I bought a  
Hercules block with crankshaft and both flywheels,  At the SIAM show, I got  one 
flywheel off the shaft, it just had a regular square key in the flywheel but  
the other one has a tapered key driven in the keyway, with no hook on the end 
of  the key to pull it out, I clamped some Vise Grips on the key and tried to 
pull  it out but the VG's just slipped off the key, I haven't asked for any 
help in a  little while but I sure need some now from you experienced mechanics, 
also the  flywheel's on my old engine just round over on the inside of the 
outer rim of  the flywheel  Serial NO. 326214, where the inside edge of the rim 
on the  flywheel's I bought at the SIAM show made a step down before it got to 
the  spokes, Ser. No. 375731. Will these Flywheel's interchange?  I put up 
three  pictures on my Diesel List, I will list a address to the first one then 
click on  the blue arrow at the top right corner of picture to go to the next 
pic.
 
_http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=32220_ 
(http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=32220) 
 
Thanks, 
 
Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.



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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Sat Jun 30 19:06:28 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:06:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
References: <bc9.15045cfa.33b85663@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c7bb84$7114e360$23b6123f@D8LJ7K91>

Bill,

The flywheels will interchange. I am surprised that the 326214 engine had 
the earlier flywheels.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.


> Hey Men,
>
> I got a problem, I needed a flywheel for a 1 3/4S Hercules so I bought a
> Hercules block with crankshaft and both flywheels,  At the SIAM show, I 
> got  one
> flywheel off the shaft, it just had a regular square key in the flywheel 
> but
> the other one has a tapered key driven in the keyway, with no hook on the 
> end
> of  the key to pull it out, I clamped some Vise Grips on the key and tried 
> to
> pull  it out but the VG's just slipped off the key, I haven't asked for 
> any
> help in a  little while but I sure need some now from you experienced 
> mechanics,
> also the  flywheel's on my old engine just round over on the inside of the
> outer rim of  the flywheel  Serial NO. 326214, where the inside edge of 
> the rim
> on the  flywheel's I bought at the SIAM show made a step down before it 
> got to
> the  spokes, Ser. No. 375731. Will these Flywheel's interchange?  I put up
> three  pictures on my Diesel List, I will list a address to the first one 
> then
> click on  the blue arrow at the top right corner of picture to go to the 
> next
> pic.
>
> _http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=32220_
> (http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=32220)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller
> Memphis, TN.
>
>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 30 19:10:29 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:10:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
References: <bc9.15045cfa.33b85663@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c7bb85$003c3a20$240110ac@FAMILY>

Bill do you have a welder?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.


> Hey Men,
>
> I got a problem, I needed a flywheel for a 1 3/4S Hercules so I bought a
> Hercules block with crankshaft and both flywheels,  At the SIAM show, I 
> got  one
> flywheel off the shaft, it just had a regular square key in the flywheel 
> but
> the other one has a tapered key driven in the keyway, with no hook on the 
> end
> of  the key to pull it out, I clamped some Vise Grips on the key and tried 
> to
> pull  it out but the VG's just slipped off the key, I haven't asked for 
> any
> help in a  little while but I sure need some now from you experienced 
> mechanics,
> 


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Jun 30 19:27:29 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:27:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
Message-ID: <c3d.179746dc.33b86b11@aol.com>

Hey Glen and Paul,
 
Glen was that style flywheel's mainly used on the older 1 1/2 HP  engines.
 
Paul, I do have a welder but I am not that good at welding, but I have a  
young man two doors down the street that is a good welder, that has been known  
to do some welding for me LOL.
 
Thanks,
 
Bill Miller.



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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 30 19:35:34 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:35:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
References: <c3d.179746dc.33b86b11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007501c7bb88$80d1d4d0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Bill I sent you some instructions on how to do this off list, you should 
have them by now. It has pictures and a procedure for a situation exactly 
like yours that Jim Sherman posted sometime back.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.


> Hey Glen and Paul,
>
> Glen was that style flywheel's mainly used on the older 1 1/2 HP  engines.
>
> Paul, I do have a welder but I am not that good at welding, but I have a
> young man two doors down the street that is a good welder, that has been 
> known
> to do some welding for me LOL.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller.
>
>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 30 19:43:16 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:43:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
References: <c3d.179746dc.33b86b11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c7bb89$946f6330$240110ac@FAMILY>

Bill while you work out a method for removing it start pouring the 
penetrating oil like Gibbs, Kroil, PB Blaster, etc., onto the key to start 
loosing up the rust.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.


> Hey Glen and Paul,
>
> Glen was that style flywheel's mainly used on the older 1 1/2 HP  engines.
>
> Paul, I do have a welder but I am not that good at welding, but I have a
> young man two doors down the street that is a good welder, that has been 
> known
> to do some welding for me LOL.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller.
>
>
>
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> http://www.aol.com.
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Jun 30 20:05:41 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:05:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
Message-ID: <cf3.12604e55.33b87405@aol.com>

Paul,
 
I have had Kroil on it for about two weeks, I have a good space on the end  
of the key to weld an all thread on, I haven't rec. your off list instructions  
yet.
 
Thanks, Bill.



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From astfgl at iamnota.org  Sat Jun 30 22:29:04 2007
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 15:29:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
Message-ID: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>

I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure it's the 
SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't find a 
serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find a plate 
or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it might be?

I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a reply as 
yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?

Cheers, glen.