From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jul  1 01:44:07 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:44:07 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
References: <bc9.15045cfa.33b85663@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005701c7bbbc$017f3c70$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Bill ,I had the same problem with a 4 HP Cooper .When I tried the 
conventional method of getting the Gib Head Key out the head just snapped 
off ,the metal was crystallised. I welded a NF x 5/8 bolt to the remains of 
the key ,set up some spacers and wound her up ....still no movement. I then 
tried what you should not do ,used some Fox wedges between the flywheel hub 
and the bearing cover .....this combined method worked, a bit at a time !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.


> Hey Men,
>
> I got a problem, I needed a flywheel for a 1 3/4S Hercules so I bought a
> Hercules block with crankshaft and both flywheels,  At the SIAM show, I 
> got  one
> flywheel off the shaft, it just had a regular square key in the flywheel 
> but
> the other one has a tapered key driven in the keyway, with no hook on the 
> end
> of  the key to pull it out, I clamped some Vise Grips on the key and tried 
> to
> pull  it out but the VG's just slipped off the key, I haven't asked for 
> any
> help in a  little while but I sure need some now from you experienced 
> mechanics,
> also the  flywheel's on my old engine just round over on the inside of the
> outer rim of  the flywheel  Serial NO. 326214, where the inside edge of 
> the rim
> on the  flywheel's I bought at the SIAM show made a step down before it 
> got to
> the  spokes, Ser. No. 375731. Will these Flywheel's interchange?  I put up
> three  pictures on my Diesel List, I will list a address to the first one 
> then
> click on  the blue arrow at the top right corner of picture to go to the 
> next
> pic.
>
> _http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=32220_
> (http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=32220)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller
> Memphis, TN.
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jul  1 01:45:19 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:45:19 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <005d01c7bbbc$2e7f9f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Yes he is Glen ...........when you find out let me know !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info


> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure it's 
> the
> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't find 
> a
> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find a 
> plate
> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it might 
> be?
>
> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a 
> reply as
> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>
> Cheers, glen.
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 03:24:54 2007
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 03:24:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
In-Reply-To: <bc9.15045cfa.33b85663@aol.com>
Message-ID: <341704.82227.qm@web59209.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hey Bill, Hi from Bill Young in Japan.  Same problem.  Welder, slide hammer, a couple taps and out she comes.  My slide hammer ( home made ) has one end threaded for 1/2 bolts.  Grind some 1/2 material so it will weld to the key.  Screw into slide hammer and whack away.  Worked every time for me.  The penetrants and a little heat guarantee success for the really stuck ones.




From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 03:34:44 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 03:34:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
In-Reply-To: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <226220.85517.qm@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day Glen

Mine is a late model SC (1954) and I am sure the
serial number is on the face of the flywheel will
check tomorrow if needed.
Mine is also fitted with a N1L magy.
Mine also has Southern Cross cast into fly wheel.

see
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Southern.html


Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW









--- Glen Harris <astfgl at iamnota.org> wrote:

> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper.
> I'm pretty sure it's the 
> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake
> casting, but I can't find a 
> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas
> N1L.G, but I can't find a plate 
> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone
> suggest where it might be?
> 
> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions,
> but haven't had a reply as 
> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the
> Register?
> 
> Cheers, glen.
> _______________________________________________
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>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Jul  1 08:29:02 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:29:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Design (Check This Out)
In-Reply-To: <001501c7ba53$0687bf40$690c454b@Desktop>
References: <001501c7ba53$0687bf40$690c454b@Desktop>
Message-ID: <0JKI00A6OB1D2EM4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:40 AM 6/29/2007, you wrote:
>The idea of getting more spark to the combustible mix was also 
>promoted by using two plugs at once;  a series plug installed 
>opposite a standard plug (the hot lead ran through the series plug, 
>then hard wired to the standard plug) allowed simultaneous ignition 
>on opposite sides of the cylinder;  on some big L-head or T-head 
>engines, where RPM was high and combustion chamber large, the 
>concept had merit.

Kind of like the Ford 2.3L I4 engine that had 2 spark plugs per 
cylinder.  The ONLY thing it accomplished was making it take twice as 
long to change the plugs.....

-Tony



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Sun Jul  1 06:08:15 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 08:08:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
References: <c3d.179746dc.33b86b11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c7bbe0$e404b290$4aa8123f@D8LJ7K91>

Bill,

The older style rim was most common on the engines built before serial # 
300,xxx; however, there is no clear cut off date.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.


> Hey Glen and Paul,
>
> Glen was that style flywheel's mainly used on the older 1 1/2 HP  engines.
>
> Paul, I do have a welder but I am not that good at welding, but I have a
> young man two doors down the street that is a good welder, that has been 
> known
> to do some welding for me LOL.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller.
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jul  1 16:10:40 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:10:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V owners and others -  Help needed from you Gurus please
Message-ID: <003101c7bc35$57c97ea0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

I need help from our List Gurus please on this one.

An R&V Register member has bought a 2hp R&V Vertical that has been modified 
in Argentina, one modification I believe is the head.
All the R&V Vertical Engines I have seen have the exhaust rocker bracket 
cast as part of the head. This has a bolt on bracket, the head is squarer on 
the edges not rounded and there is njo ignitor hole.
In the complete photo it has two pushrods instead of only the exhaust rocker 
and atmospheric inlet.
In the top photo, near the pushrod, there is a stud and nut in the head and 
above that a hole. In that hole was a spark plug

Can anyone tell me what engine this head is off please. Click on link below.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jul  1 16:31:18 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:31:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V owners and others - Help needed from you Gurus please
References: <003101c7bc35$57c97ea0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <004201c7bc37$ed25d050$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi All
One other comment, the exhasut rocker has 1608 cast into it which is not 
R&V, what is it off.?
Also the water pump pulley has 1981 cast into it.
Any ideas on these numbers.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



> Hi all
>
> I need help from our List Gurus please on this one.
>
> An R&V Register member has bought a 2hp R&V Vertical that has been 
> modified in Argentina, one modification I believe is the head.
> All the R&V Vertical Engines I have seen have the exhaust rocker bracket 
> cast as part of the head. This has a bolt on bracket, the head is squarer 
> on the edges not rounded and there is njo ignitor hole.
> In the complete photo it has two pushrods instead of only the exhaust 
> rocker and atmospheric inlet.
> In the top photo, near the pushrod, there is a stud and nut in the head 
> and above that a hole. In that hole was a spark plug
>
> Can anyone tell me what engine this head is off please. Click on link 
> below.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
>
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> 



From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Jul  1 17:50:26 2007
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:50:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
References: <002e01c7b85c$2a21d1f0$210110ac@service>
	<00f001c7b8a5$0d6c1450$28443cf0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <00a301c7bc42$fd0eaf90$210110ac@service>

Thanks Ray, i have now removed the broken pin, it drilled out easily, i will 
keep in mind the spark eroder if i have any other problems, cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R and E Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)


> Chester,with the the fuel pump pin if it won't come out bring it to me and 
> I
> can spark erode it out for you. Mates rates for old engine work.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth WA
>
> 



From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Jul  1 18:07:04 2007
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:07:04 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <00ab01c7bc45$4fbe8600$210110ac@service>

Hi Glen, i have a Buzzacott pumper the engine number is stamped on the end 
of crankshaft at the flywheel end, there is a cover with a screw that you 
remove to read it, dont know if others are the same, cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info


> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure it's 
> the
> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't find 
> a
> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find a 
> plate
> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it might 
> be?
>
> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a 
> reply as
> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>
> Cheers, glen.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jul  1 19:50:11 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:50:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine info wanted
Message-ID: <00b401c7bc53$b57d8c80$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

To add to my previous post, do any of the small hp (2hp) International 
Vertical enginesor others have bolt on rocker brackets.?

I am trying to find an answer to this:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
what head is it off????

Peter, Oz




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jul  1 20:03:07 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:03:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine info wanted
Message-ID: <200707020303.l623377a017811@bn3.blue.net>


Peter,
    It doesn't look IH to me but I'm not the IH expert.  Hopefully
someone will know what it is.

Tommy Turner


-------- Original Message --------

==> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
==> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:50:11  1000

Hi all

To add to my previous post, do any of the small hp (2hp)
International
Vertical enginesor others have bolt on rocker brackets.?

I am trying to find an answer to this:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
what head is it off????

Peter, Oz

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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jul  1 20:11:42 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:11:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Moving Help Needed - CA to KY or somewhere in between
Message-ID: <200707020311.l623Bgr1029767@bn3.blue.net>

I posted an ad on Harry's but never heard anything so I though I'd
give the SEL a try.  I have a parts engine located in California near
Modesto that needs hauling to KY or somewhere headed east toward me. 
If anyone in that area will be headed this way or will be traveling
to
that area of CA and could haul it, I'd be glad to pay you hansomely
for your fuel and effort.  I have checked and can go the Yellow
Freight route and its not as expensive as I thought.  But, I'd rather
have an engine guy (or gal) hauling it..... I've seen some of those
guys get a bit wild at the loading docks with forklifts and I want
both flywheels to arrive intact!  The engine is 5 HP and I guess the
parts that are there will weigh about 1000 lbs.  If anyone can help,
please let me know!  Thanks!!

Tommy Turner



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jul  1 21:02:16 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:02:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V owners and others - Help needed from you Gurus please
In-Reply-To: <003101c7bc35$57c97ea0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <20070702040214.QLNJ3831.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Only a guess, but it looks a bit like a vertical Alamo head.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----
Hi all

I need help from our List Gurus please on this one.

An R&V Register member has bought a 2hp R&V Vertical that has been modified 
in Argentina, one modification I believe is the head.
All the R&V Vertical Engines I have seen have the exhaust rocker bracket 
cast as part of the head. This has a bolt on bracket, the head is squarer on

the edges not rounded and there is njo ignitor hole.
In the complete photo it has two pushrods instead of only the exhaust rocker

and atmospheric inlet.
In the top photo, near the pushrod, there is a stud and nut in the head and 
above that a hole. In that hole was a spark plug

Can anyone tell me what engine this head is off please. Click on link below.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm





From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jul  1 21:17:22 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:17:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V owners and others - Help needed from you Gurus please
References: <20070702040214.QLNJ3831.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000e01c7bc5f$e3aded50$0601a8c0@altech>

Anyone got any photos of one please.

Peter, Oz




> Only a guess, but it looks a bit like a vertical Alamo head.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> -----Original Message-----
> Hi all
>
> I need help from our List Gurus please on this one.
>
> An R&V Register member has bought a 2hp R&V Vertical that has been 
> modified
> in Argentina, one modification I believe is the head.
> All the R&V Vertical Engines I have seen have the exhaust rocker bracket
> cast as part of the head. This has a bolt on bracket, the head is squarer 
> on
>
> the edges not rounded and there is njo ignitor hole.
> In the complete photo it has two pushrods instead of only the exhaust 
> rocker
>
> and atmospheric inlet.
> In the top photo, near the pushrod, there is a stud and nut in the head 
> and
> above that a hole. In that hole was a spark plug
>
> Can anyone tell me what engine this head is off please. Click on link 
> below.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From astfgl at iamnota.org  Sun Jul  1 21:30:28 2007
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:30:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
In-Reply-To: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org>

Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft - 5853 - but there's no 
sign of anything on the flywheel.

Thanks, glen.

Glen Harris wrote:
> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure it's the 
> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't find a 
> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find a plate 
> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it might be?
> 
> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a reply as 
> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
> 
> Cheers, glen.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Jul  1 22:17:02 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:17:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engine Moving Help Needed - CA to KY or somewhere in
	between
In-Reply-To: <200707020311.l623Bgr1029767@bn3.blue.net>
Message-ID: <20070702051705.D7AE2239461@mx-in02.iad.mail-abuse.org>

Hi, Tommy,  I'm going to go to two auctions at the end of Aug/Sept. They are
both Nixon auctions. Shurman-Parish ,one in Wash. ,one south of Modesto. If
any of your "DEEP POCKET" friends are coming out for the auctions  ,I'd go
pick it up and hand it off  to them. CYA, Jimmy O'  415 892 0236

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of tommy turner
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:12 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Engine Moving Help Needed - CA to KY or somewhere in between

I posted an ad on Harry's but never heard anything so I though I'd
give the SEL a try.  I have a parts engine located in California near
Modesto that needs hauling to KY or somewhere headed east toward me. 
If anyone in that area will be headed this way or will be traveling
to
that area of CA and could haul it, I'd be glad to pay you hansomely
for your fuel and effort.  I have checked and can go the Yellow
Freight route and its not as expensive as I thought.  But, I'd rather
have an engine guy (or gal) hauling it..... I've seen some of those
guys get a bit wild at the loading docks with forklifts and I want
both flywheels to arrive intact!  The engine is 5 HP and I guess the
parts that are there will weigh about 1000 lbs.  If anyone can help,
please let me know!  Thanks!!

Tommy Turner

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SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sun Jul  1 22:28:40 2007
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:28:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V owners and others - Help needed from you Gurus please
Message-ID: <46888d08.8c.4942.2047420790@netspeed.com.au>

Heres a link to a vertical Alamo that belong to Edd  thats
on patricks Page  

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/eddsengines.html


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] R&V owners and others - Help needed from
you Gurus please
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:17:22 +1000

> Anyone got any photos of one please.
> 
> Peter, Oz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Only a guess, but it looks a bit like a vertical Alamo
> head. >
> > Patrick M Livingstone
> > Leichhardt NSW
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Hi all
> >
> > I need help from our List Gurus please on this one.
> >
> > An R&V Register member has bought a 2hp R&V Vertical
> > that has been  modified
> > in Argentina, one modification I believe is the head.
> > All the R&V Vertical Engines I have seen have the
> > exhaust rocker bracket cast as part of the head. This
> > has a bolt on bracket, the head is squarer  on
> >
> > the edges not rounded and there is njo ignitor hole.
> > In the complete photo it has two pushrods instead of
> > only the exhaust  rocker
> >
> > and atmospheric inlet.
> > In the top photo, near the pushrod, there is a stud and
> > nut in the head  and
> > above that a hole. In that hole was a spark plug
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what engine this head is off please.
> > Click on link  below.
> >
> >
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jul  1 22:56:13 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:56:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V owners and others - Help needed from you Gurus please
References: <46888d08.8c.4942.2047420790@netspeed.com.au>
Message-ID: <000b01c7bc6d$b2e7c7a0$0601a8c0@altech>

Close Brock but the valves are in the wrong place
Peter




> Heres a link to a vertical Alamo that belong to Edd  thats
> on patricks Page  
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/eddsengines.html
> 
> Brock

> 
>> Anyone got any photos of one please.
>> 
>> Peter, Oz
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > Only a guess, but it looks a bit like a vertical Alamo




>> > Hi all
>> >
>> > I need help from our List Gurus please on this one.
>> >
>> > An R&V Register member has bought a 2hp R&V Vertical
>> > that has been  modified
>> > in Argentina, one modification I believe is the head.
>> > All the R&V Vertical Engines I have seen have the
>> > exhaust rocker bracket cast as part of the head. This
>> > has a bolt on bracket, the head is squarer  on
>> >
>> > the edges not rounded and there is njo ignitor hole.
>> > In the complete photo it has two pushrods instead of
>> > only the exhaust  rocker
>> >
>> > and atmospheric inlet.
>> > In the top photo, near the pushrod, there is a stud and
>> > nut in the head  and
>> > above that a hole. In that hole was a spark plug
>> >
>> > Can anyone tell me what engine this head is off please.
>> > Click on link  below.
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm



From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 23:12:57 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:12:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
In-Reply-To: <46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <926869.34254.qm@web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day Glen

5853 dates in at 1938


Kerry
Lithgow NSW Oz


> Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft
> - 5853 - but there's no 
> sign of anything on the flywheel.
> 



 
____________________________________________________________________________________
8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time 
with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jul  2 04:48:35 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 21:48:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Have I got you all stumped !!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <00ce01c7bc9e$ec980970$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all 

There has been a deathly silence on this one, have I got you all stumped ?

http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm

What is the head off ??????????? the engine is R&V.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jul  2 04:52:37 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:52:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Moving Help Needed - CA to KY or somewhere in
	between
Message-ID: <200707021152.l62Bqb4w006845@bn3.blue.net>

Thanks Jimmy.  I'll see if I can find someone headed that way!

Tommy Turner


-------- Original Message --------

==> From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
==> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:17:02 -0700

Hi, Tommy,  I'm going to go to two auctions at the end of Aug/Sept.
They are both Nixon auctions. Shurman-Parish ,one in Wash. ,one south
of Modesto. If any of your "DEEP POCKET" friends are coming out for
the auctions  ,I'd go pick it up and hand it off  to them. CYA, Jimmy
O'  415 892 0236

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message----- From:
sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of tommy
turner Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:12 PM To:
sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Engine Moving Help
Needed - CA to KY or somewhere in between

I posted an ad on Harry's but never heard anything so I though I'd
give the SEL a try.  I have a parts engine located in California near
Modesto that needs hauling to KY or somewhere headed east toward me.
If anyone in that area will be headed this way or will be traveling
to
that area of CA and could haul it, I'd be glad to pay you hansomely
for your fuel and effort.  I have checked and can go the Yellow
Freight route and its not as expensive as I thought.  But, I'd rather
have an engine guy (or gal) hauling it..... I've seen some of those
guys get a bit wild at the loading docks with forklifts and I want
both flywheels to arrive intact!  The engine is 5 HP and I guess the
parts that are there will weigh about 1000 lbs.  If anyone can help,
please let me know!  Thanks!!

Tommy Turner

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jul  2 05:20:43 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 05:20:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Have I got you all stumped !!!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c7bc9e$ec980970$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <00ce01c7bc9e$ec980970$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <4558.165.206.180.53.1183378843.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

It's off an airplane.


Bill

> Hi all
>
> There has been a deathly silence on this one, have I got you all stumped ?
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
>
> What is the head off ??????????? the engine is R&V.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jul  2 05:26:14 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 22:26:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Have I got you all stumped !!!!!!!!!!!
References: <00ce01c7bc9e$ec980970$0601a8c0@altech>
	<4558.165.206.180.53.1183378843.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <00e901c7bca4$2f08e900$0601a8c0@altech>

F-18 or B52 !!!!! ;-)
Peter





> It's off an airplane.
>
>
> Bill
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> There has been a deathly silence on this one, have I got you all stumped 
>> ?
>>
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
>>
>> What is the head off ??????????? the engine is R&V.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
>> R&V Engine Registrar
>> Australia
>> Ph: 61-266453455
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jul  2 06:28:36 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:28:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Have I got you all stumped !!!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <00e901c7bca4$2f08e900$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <00ce01c7bc9e$ec980970$0601a8c0@altech>
	<4558.165.206.180.53.1183378843.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<00e901c7bca4$2f08e900$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <4831.165.206.180.53.1183382916.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

"It's off an airplane" is a true statement.
It's not ON one?!?

Actually, thinking about it, I think it's from a French aircraft.............


Bill

> F-18 or B52 !!!!! ;-)
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>> It's off an airplane.
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> There has been a deathly silence on this one, have I got you all
>>> stumped
>>> ?
>>>
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
>>>
>>> What is the head off ??????????? the engine is R&V.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Peter Lowe
>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>> Australia
>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com  Mon Jul  2 08:49:35 2007
From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:49:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
Message-ID: <A45230EA7EA65248A36A68A0C521D3382AD707@BOX.CNCSOFTWARE.COM>

Bill,

 

 I was challenged with the same problem and solved it pretty easily.
Check out my Webshots to see how I did it with my Eclipse.  

 

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/81060592eqzEHv

 

Gosh, it's been 4 years since I started that project, I better get it
finished soon!

 

Best regards,

 

Ken Erman


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From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Mon Jul  2 10:29:51 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:29:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
In-Reply-To: <A45230EA7EA65248A36A68A0C521D3382AD707@BOX.CNCSOFTWARE.COM>
Message-ID: <014901c7bcce$98f3d530$6401a8c0@PaulNew>

Darn Good

Paul Waugh - IN

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:50 AM
To: Hercules flywheel key removal.; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.

Bill,

 

 I was challenged with the same problem and solved it pretty easily.
Check out my Webshots to see how I did it with my Eclipse.  

 

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/81060592eqzEHv

 

Gosh, it's been 4 years since I started that project, I better get it
finished soon!

 

Best regards,

 

Ken Erman


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From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jul  2 20:37:45 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:37:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine show at Astle Park
In-Reply-To: <000d01c7b69a$9ec025c0$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <000d01c7b69a$9ec025c0$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070703132920.01a3b870@ncable.com.au>

Dave this is one rally I would love to have closer to home. Any idea 
on what the engine is on page 4; pict0015? looks nice Also didn't 
know Tangyes made an inverted engine. Learn something every day. I 
see the Anson Museum had the display. I could have asked Tim Macaire 
a little about it if I had known. Just spent the day at a sale in Qld 
with him last weekend.  good pics thanks
Russell



At 06:02 AM 25/06/2007, you wrote:
>I enjoyed this 23rd engine show despite the rain showers that 
>occurred a few times on both days.
>The site seemed quite good when I left despite the rain.
>Lots of lovely engines as usual and as always a good number that I 
>had never seen before.
>My pictures are at
>http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/559604996YiqUAT
>I have forgoten the names of several engines, If you know them send 
>me an E Mail & I will correct them.
>TIA
>
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jul  2 20:42:46 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:42:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <006101c7b910$36355a70$e8046c3a@fred>
References: <006101c7b910$36355a70$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070703133856.01a34728@ncable.com.au>

Nice Brian, I can't beleive you have it to this strippped and 
assembled condition so quick. It was way up north like 7 days 
earlier, good effort
Russell

At 09:09 AM 28/06/2007, you wrote:
>Hi,
>Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
>it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will 
>put more on when restoration is finished.
>Brian and David Watts
>Melbourne
>Australia
>(03) 97266147
>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jul  2 22:57:56 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:57:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
References: <006101c7b910$36355a70$e8046c3a@fred>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070703133856.01a34728@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001601c7bd37$1c9ed250$e8046c3a@fred>

Ihear you have been north as well,buying more toys,heard you did well.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toy


> Nice Brian, I can't beleive you have it to this strippped and
> assembled condition so quick. It was way up north like 7 days
> earlier, good effort
> Russell
>
> At 09:09 AM 28/06/2007, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
>>it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will
>>put more on when restoration is finished.
>>Brian and David Watts
>>Melbourne
>>Australia
>>(03) 97266147
>>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  3 02:26:41 2007
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:26:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070703133856.01a34728@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY121-F30C24C6AA1FC0DE4FC3AD5D00C0@phx.gbl>

Brian,that engine looks too good to paint as it is!   John


>From: Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toy
>Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:42:46 +1000
>
>Nice Brian, I can't beleive you have it to this strippped and
>assembled condition so quick. It was way up north like 7 days
>earlier, good effort
>Russell
>
>At 09:09 AM 28/06/2007, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
> >it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will
> >put more on when restoration is finished.
> >Brian and David Watts
> >Melbourne
> >Australia
> >(03) 97266147
> >http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> >briwatt at optusnet.com.au
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>Russell Gilbert
>Sunny Sunraysia
>russell at ncable.com.au
>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Jul  3 03:50:34 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:50:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo show motel reservations
Message-ID: <070320071050.23557.468A29FA0004546C00005C05219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

I will be making the annual Baraboo show reservations and need to know who all 
will need rooms.  Please let me know asap.
thank you,
Curt Andree


From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Jul  3 05:13:04 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:13:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <001601c7bd37$1c9ed250$e8046c3a@fred>
References: <006101c7b910$36355a70$e8046c3a@fred>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070703133856.01a34728@ncable.com.au>
	<001601c7bd37$1c9ed250$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070703221128.01ae2458@ncable.com.au>

Brian I'm not complaining on what I got :-)  Does'nt take long for 
the bush telegraph to get the word out does it!
Russell

At 03:57 PM 3/07/2007, you wrote:
>Ihear you have been north as well,buying more toys,heard you did well.
>Brian and David Watts
>Melbourne
>Australia
>(03) 97266147
>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 1:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toy
>
>
> > Nice Brian, I can't beleive you have it to this strippped and
> > assembled condition so quick. It was way up north like 7 days
> > earlier, good effort
> > Russell
> >
> > At 09:09 AM 28/06/2007, you wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
> >>it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will
> >>put more on when restoration is finished.
> >>Brian and David Watts
> >>Melbourne
> >>Australia
> >>(03) 97266147
> >>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> >>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
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> >
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jul  3 06:16:51 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:16:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine show at Astle Park
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070703132920.01a3b870@ncable.com.au>
References: <000d01c7b69a$9ec025c0$e5c30b52@no1>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070703132920.01a3b870@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070703080912.01d833a0@mail.alltel.net>

Does anyone know why this show is called the "1000 Engine" show? I know 
that years ago we had a "Milloin Man March" in Washington DC and about 
250,000 black men showed up for it--but it was still referred to as the 
"Million Man March." Same thing with a bunch of women several years later. 
However, those events were sponsored by welfare pimps and femi-nazies, so 
no one cared if they were telling the truth! Do you really get 1,000 
engines at the "1000 Engine" show, or is the event just for blacks and/or 
women?
         Dave
PS, GREAT pictures Dave!

At 10:37 PM 7/2/2007, you wrote:
>Dave this is one rally I would love to have closer to home. Any idea
>on what the engine is on page 4; pict0015? looks nice Also didn't
>know Tangyes made an inverted engine. Learn something every day. I
>see the Anson Museum had the display. I could have asked Tim Macaire
>a little about it if I had known. Just spent the day at a sale in Qld
>with him last weekend.  good pics thanks
>Russell
>
>
>
>At 06:02 AM 25/06/2007, you wrote:
> >I enjoyed this 23rd engine show despite the rain showers that
> >occurred a few times on both days.
> >The site seemed quite good when I left despite the rain.
> >Lots of lovely engines as usual and as always a good number that I
> >had never seen before.
> >My pictures are at
> >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/559604996YiqUAT
> >I have forgoten the names of several engines, If you know them send
> >me an E Mail & I will correct them.
> >TIA
> >
> >Dave Croft



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul  3 07:23:30 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:23:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine show at Astle Park
References: <000d01c7b69a$9ec025c0$e5c30b52@no1><7.0.1.0.1.20070703132920.01a3b870@ncable.com.au>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070703080912.01d833a0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <005501c7bd7d$bbe817e0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 1000 Engine show at Astle Park


> Does anyone know why this show is called the "1000 Engine" show? I know 
> that years ago we had a "Milloin Man March" in Washington DC and about 
> 250,000 black men showed up for it--but it was still referred to as the 
> "Million Man March." Same thing with a bunch of women several years later. 
> However, those events were sponsored by welfare pimps and femi-nazies, so 
> no one cared if they were telling the truth! Do you really get 1,000 
> engines at the "1000 Engine" show, or is the event just for blacks and/or 
> women?
>         Dave
> PS, GREAT pictures Dave!

Hi Dave, I was one of the Founders of this show 23 years ago.
Percy Gallimore who suggested it said we would try and exhibit
1000 engines every year.
We never did manage it as we found that when we tried to get 
people to bring more engines, by the time we were approaching 
1000 far too many common small engines were being exhibited.
So we relented on the number & now many hundreds of good 
rare engines turn up. If you are proud of something rare you own
this is the place to show it off.
We get exhibitors from all over the British Isles,Ireland & several 
European countries. Even A few Aussies.
PS The beer lasted longer than usual this year due to a certain 
Yank being missing.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul  3 20:00:40 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue,  3 Jul 2007 23:00:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine
Message-ID: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

Please pardon the shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer kerosene
engine (or know of one) that's lacking the fuel feeder, you know that they're
as hard to find as chicken lips or hen's teeth.

There's currently a really nice one on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260135558290

Please pass the word along if you don't need it yourself.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul  3 22:46:56 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 06:46:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine
References: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001701c7bdfe$bd60d090$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:00 AM
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine


> Hiya Folks,
> Please pardon the shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer kerosene
> engine (or know of one) that's lacking the fuel feeder, you know that they're
> as hard to find as chicken lips or hen's teeth.
> There's currently a really nice one on eBay.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260135558290
> Please pass the word along if you don't need it yourself.
> See ya,  Arnie
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com

Hi Arnie, That comes up as not available.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul  3 23:16:31 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:16:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine
In-Reply-To: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <3907D0F8-28B3-40CF-A00B-6A0AEB55B146@rustyiron.com>

On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:00 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Please pardon the shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer  
> kerosene
> engine (or know of one) that's lacking the fuel feeder, you know  
> that they're
> as hard to find as chicken lips or hen's teeth.

Hi Arnie,
It appears that eBay frowns upon shameless self-promotion.  They've  
canceled your auction.







From rupka at xcountry.tv  Wed Jul  4 02:40:25 2007
From: rupka at xcountry.tv (Bill Rupka)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:40:25 -0300
Subject: [SEL] FM 6-8HP 'ZC' Manual
Message-ID: <20070704094041.070E22654C@ns2.xcountry.tv>

The subject manual is now posted to 
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4032920&a=32547309.  I 
will eventually get the 3HP manual posted as well.
Enjoy
Bill


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul  4 06:03:49 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed,  4 Jul 2007 09:03:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - eBay
	Wierdness
In-Reply-To: <3907D0F8-28B3-40CF-A00B-6A0AEB55B146@rustyiron.com>
References: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>
	<3907D0F8-28B3-40CF-A00B-6A0AEB55B146@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1183554229.468b9ab5762e8@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Rob and others,

Yeah, the 900-pound gorilla at eBay/PayPal objected to my auction description. 
I comitted two horrific crimes.  First, I said that I would (GASP!) accept cash
as payment (in addition to other conventional payments like money orders,
etc.).  That's apparently a major NO-NO.  And perhaps, even more egregious, I
dared to say that I had a Basic (i.e. free - GASP!) PayPal account and that
because of that I didn't accept credit card payments via PayPal (only OK with
Premium or Business accounts which cost $$$).

The ad wording looked like this...
"Full payment must be received within two weeks.  PayPal is preferred (but no
credit cards, sorry).  If you?re using PayPal it MUST be a cash transfer from
your PayPal account or from your bank account via PayPal.  I only have a basic
PayPal account and the PayPal weasels choose to block credit card payments to a
basic PayPal account.  Cash, personal check, or money order are always fine."

That's the wording that I've used previously.  Apparently as a part of the New
eBay Experience (AKA make more money for eBay), they are pushing very hard for
all sellers to pay for Premium / Business PayPal accounts.  I guess getting
vigorish on the PayPal account balances that would make a Mafia don blush just
isn't enough.

I'm working on alternate wording that I'll try and slip past the eBay censors. 
I love a challenge.  Wish me luck!!  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:00 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
> > Please pardon the shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer  
> > kerosene engine ...

> It appears that eBay frowns upon shameless self-promotion.  They've  
> canceled your auction.




From shop at cccomm.net  Wed Jul  4 06:57:52 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 06:57:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <20070620.124409.1240.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<01fe01c7b40a$6df25860$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <001b01c7be43$50f888e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

I am trying something different.  My guy at the machine shop came up with an 
idea of using NOS automotive cast iron rings. He found a source for 4 1/16 
bore so we bought them. Takes five in each groove. A pic at
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp

Anyone else tried this?  I think it should work. It appears there is about 
.005 clearance with all of them stacked.

Dave 




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jul  4 08:54:01 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:54:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <001b01c7be43$50f888e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEABFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

I looked at the whole set of photos.  Your engine must have had a hard life, especially with the brazed rod!

I'm sure the multiple rings will work but it may be a bit tight at first.  I don't know about cylinder wear, though.

I'd be interested to know how the rings work out.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave Ernst
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 08:58 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> I am trying something different.  My guy at the 
> machine shop came up with an 
> idea of using NOS automotive cast iron rings. He 
> found a source for 4 1/16 
> bore so we bought them. Takes five in each 
> groove. A pic at
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=30095
> 45&a=32514163&vt=vp
> 
> Anyone else tried this?  I think it should work. 
> It appears there is about 
> .005 clearance with all of them stacked.
> 
> Dave




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul  4 09:10:26 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed,  4 Jul 2007 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - Relisted
Message-ID: <1183565426.468bc672dc82e@webmail.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

Please pardon the second shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer
kerosene engine (or know of one) that's lacking the fuel feeder, you know that
they're as hard to find as chicken lips or hen's teeth.

There's currently a really nice one on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260135733389
(We'll see how long THIS listing lasts.)

Please pass the word along if you don't need it yourself.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Jul  4 09:19:04 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:19:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine -
	eBay	Wierdness
In-Reply-To: <1183554229.468b9ab5762e8@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>	<3907D0F8-28B3-40CF-A00B-6A0AEB55B146@rustyiron.com>
	<1183554229.468b9ab5762e8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <468BC878.6060007@telenet.net>

Actually one of the things about accepting PayPal on Ebay is that you 
are required to accept credit cards for payment.

> https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/ua/USUA

4.2 Receiving Different Types of Payments.
If you have a Personal Account you may receive Balance/Bank Funded
Payments for free, and up to 5 Card Funded Payments per 12 month period
for a Fee, except that you may not receive Card Funded Payments into a
Personal Account for an eBay transaction. If you have a Premier or Business
Account, you may receive an unlimited number of Card Funded Payments. Please
note that all payments received by a Premier or Business Account will be
subject to a Fee in accordance with section 8 of this Agreement.


4.3 Use of PayPal on eBay.
  Sellers who offer PayPal as a payment method in their eBay listings
(either via logos or through text in the item description) must accept
Card Funded Payments. Sellers must have a Premier or Business PayPal
Account, or be willing to upgrade from a Personal PayPal Account to a
Premier or Business Account upon receipt of a Card Funded Payment.
Sellers may not communicate to buyers that they only accept Balance/Bank
Funded Payments, or will not accept Card Funded Payments. eCheck is the
only Funding Source that eBay Sellers are allowed to block.




fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
> Hi Rob and others,
> 
> Yeah, the 900-pound gorilla at eBay/PayPal objected to my auction description. 
> I comitted two horrific crimes.  First, I said that I would (GASP!) accept cash
> as payment (in addition to other conventional payments like money orders,
> etc.).  That's apparently a major NO-NO.  And perhaps, even more egregious, I
> dared to say that I had a Basic (i.e. free - GASP!) PayPal account and that
> because of that I didn't accept credit card payments via PayPal (only OK with
> Premium or Business accounts which cost $$$).
> 
> The ad wording looked like this...
> "Full payment must be received within two weeks.  PayPal is preferred (but no
> credit cards, sorry).  If you?re using PayPal it MUST be a cash transfer from
> your PayPal account or from your bank account via PayPal.  I only have a basic
> PayPal account and the PayPal weasels choose to block credit card payments to a
> basic PayPal account.  Cash, personal check, or money order are always fine."
> 
> That's the wording that I've used previously.  Apparently as a part of the New
> eBay Experience (AKA make more money for eBay), they are pushing very hard for
> all sellers to pay for Premium / Business PayPal accounts.  I guess getting
> vigorish on the PayPal account balances that would make a Mafia don blush just
> isn't enough.
> 
> I'm working on alternate wording that I'll try and slip past the eBay censors. 
> I love a challenge.  Wish me luck!!  8->>
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:00 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
>>> Please pardon the shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer  
>>> kerosene engine ...
> 
>> It appears that eBay frowns upon shameless self-promotion.  They've  
>> canceled your auction.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York
NRA Member
Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
he'd have become a vegan.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul  4 10:19:03 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed,  4 Jul 2007 13:19:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - eBay
	Wierdness
In-Reply-To: <468BC878.6060007@telenet.net>
References: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>
	<3907D0F8-28B3-40CF-A00B-6A0AEB55B146@rustyiron.com>
	<1183554229.468b9ab5762e8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<468BC878.6060007@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <1183569543.468bd68744946@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Steve,

Yep, that's one of those little "enhancements" of the "eBay experience" that
they've added.  The last time that I sold stuff on eBay they weren't so
overbearing.  I was able to accept PayPal in a manner consistent with my
account (i.e. no credit cards) and everyone was happy.  Then eBay got greedy.
It's their choice.  My choice is to keep 'em out of my pockets to the maximum
extent possible.

BTW, I listed that Cub Cadet on http://www.ihcubcadet.com and will put it on
http://www.ihregistry.com/ later.  Thanks again for that lead.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>:

> Actually one of the things about accepting PayPal on Ebay is that you 
> are required to accept credit cards for payment.
> 
> > https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/ua/USUA
> 
> 4.2 Receiving Different Types of Payments.
> If you have a Personal Account you may receive Balance/Bank Funded
> Payments for free, and up to 5 Card Funded Payments per 12 month period
> for a Fee, except that you may not receive Card Funded Payments into a
> Personal Account for an eBay transaction. If you have a Premier or Business
> Account, you may receive an unlimited number of Card Funded Payments. Please
> note that all payments received by a Premier or Business Account will be
> subject to a Fee in accordance with section 8 of this Agreement.
> 
> 4.3 Use of PayPal on eBay.
>   Sellers who offer PayPal as a payment method in their eBay listings
> (either via logos or through text in the item description) must accept
> Card Funded Payments. Sellers must have a Premier or Business PayPal
> Account, or be willing to upgrade from a Personal PayPal Account to a
> Premier or Business Account upon receipt of a Card Funded Payment.
> Sellers may not communicate to buyers that they only accept Balance/Bank
> Funded Payments, or will not accept Card Funded Payments. eCheck is the
> only Funding Source that eBay Sellers are allowed to block.




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jul  4 11:45:35 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:45:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engines that will be offered for sale
Message-ID: <468BEACF.6030707@scrtc.com>

I have a possible deal in the works for some iron.  There will be 
several items that I don't have room for I thought I would see if any of 
the SEL folks would have interest before they possibly go on the "open 
market".  I'm not intending to use the SEL as a substitute for Harry's 
but I'd rather see some of you folks get these if interested. Here there 
are:

Deutz Otto - Probably about a 12 HP.  It has nice large flywheels.  This 
is a lamp start model and has the original torch.  It has several 
working mechanism off the sideshaft and would be an interesting item to 
watch run.  The engine isn't running now but isn't stuck and you could 
do a bit of playing with it and have a nice show item.  Here are a 
couple of photos:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=75683476

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=75683477&f=0


6 HP Stover Upright -  I don't think I've ever seen an upright Stover 
this big.  It has the original bull gear base and attchment.  The enigne 
is complete and in primer.  Would make a nice pumping outfit.  Here is a 
photo:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=75683479&f=0


3 HP Fairbanks Morse T - Complete and original condition.  Not running 
but everything is there to make it go.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=75683478&f=0

If anyone is interested, please contact me off list and I can give you 
details, price, etc.  Contact me at this email address:

Lcjudge at scrtc.com

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY








From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 12:34:52 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:34:52 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Happy 4th July
Message-ID: <6f6025160707041234k569319d0k72a5ddb660ba2ed3@mail.gmail.com>

Hope everyone in the USA has a great day!

Peter & Rita
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From reb1952 at bellsouth.net  Wed Jul  4 12:38:07 2007
From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:38:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <20070620.124409.1240.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><01fe01c7b40a$6df25860$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
	<001b01c7be43$50f888e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <002201c7be72$d8e2f450$0202a8c0@VALUED3253602F>

My machine shop guy suggested using thinner rings also, maybe not that many
though. He said thinner rings would seal better than the thick ones.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T


> I am trying something different.  My guy at the machine shop came up with
an
> idea of using NOS automotive cast iron rings. He found a source for 4 1/16
> bore so we bought them. Takes five in each groove. A pic at
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp
>
> Anyone else tried this?  I think it should work. It appears there is about
> .005 clearance with all of them stacked.
>
> Dave
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Wed Jul  4 14:47:51 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:47:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine
	- eBayWierdness
In-Reply-To: <1183569543.468bd68744946@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002101c7be84$f8ec1350$6701a8c0@PaulNew>

OK, you guys got me to wondering, so looked at $1500 worth of buying and
selling over the last 6 months .. I can not find any charges for paypal, I
paid the exact amount using paypal and I have received the exact amount I
sold for, so what am I missing. I did think there was a 3% fee for using
paypal, I know they are making money some where from it.

Paul Waugh

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
fero_ah at city-net.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 1:19 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine -
eBayWierdness

Hi Steve,

Yep, that's one of those little "enhancements" of the "eBay experience" that
they've added.  The last time that I sold stuff on eBay they weren't so
overbearing.  I was able to accept PayPal in a manner consistent with my
account (i.e. no credit cards) and everyone was happy.  Then eBay got
greedy.
It's their choice.  My choice is to keep 'em out of my pockets to the
maximum
extent possible.

BTW, I listed that Cub Cadet on http://www.ihcubcadet.com and will put it on
http://www.ihregistry.com/ later.  Thanks again for that lead.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>:

> Actually one of the things about accepting PayPal on Ebay is that you 
> are required to accept credit cards for payment.
> 
> > https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/ua/USUA
> 
> 4.2 Receiving Different Types of Payments.
> If you have a Personal Account you may receive Balance/Bank Funded
> Payments for free, and up to 5 Card Funded Payments per 12 month period
> for a Fee, except that you may not receive Card Funded Payments into a
> Personal Account for an eBay transaction. If you have a Premier or
Business
> Account, you may receive an unlimited number of Card Funded Payments.
Please
> note that all payments received by a Premier or Business Account will be
> subject to a Fee in accordance with section 8 of this Agreement.
> 
> 4.3 Use of PayPal on eBay.
>   Sellers who offer PayPal as a payment method in their eBay listings
> (either via logos or through text in the item description) must accept
> Card Funded Payments. Sellers must have a Premier or Business PayPal
> Account, or be willing to upgrade from a Personal PayPal Account to a
> Premier or Business Account upon receipt of a Card Funded Payment.
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul  4 16:03:51 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:03:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - Relisted
References: <1183565426.468bc672dc82e@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <00a101c7be8f$97eb00b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I can hear the gorilla panting!!  VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - Relisted


> Hiya Folks,
>
> Please pardon the second shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer
> kerosene engine (or know of one) that's lacking the fuel feeder, you know 
> that
> they're as hard to find as chicken lips or hen's teeth.
>
> There's currently a really nice one on eBay.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260135733389
> (We'll see how long THIS listing lasts.)
>
> Please pass the word along if you don't need it yourself.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jul  4 18:12:25 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:12:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] looking for OZ collector
Message-ID: <000a01c7bea1$8d7ead90$e8046c3a@fred>

Hi.
Do any Australian  list members know of Cyril Hutchins used to live at Lethbridge Park NSW.
I would like to get in touch with him.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au



From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Wed Jul  4 20:21:59 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:21:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - Relisted
In-Reply-To: <00a101c7be8f$97eb00b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <005001c7beb3$a60f9150$6701a8c0@PaulNew>

The Gorilla got quiet

Paul Waugh

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 7:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - Relisted

I can hear the gorilla panting!!  VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine"

<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - Relisted


> Hiya Folks,
>
> Please pardon the second shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer
> kerosene engine (or know of one) that's lacking the fuel feeder, you know 
> that
> they're as hard to find as chicken lips or hen's teeth.
>
> There's currently a really nice one on eBay.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260135733389
> (We'll see how long THIS listing lasts.)
>
> Please pass the word along if you don't need it yourself.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jul  4 21:34:31 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:34:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Anson Museum & 1000 Engie show pictures
In-Reply-To: <004b01c7be3e$b5e9b2b0$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <20070705043424.WEEC22348.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Here is one for the Aussies. I spotted this well known Aussie engine nut
(Paul Attard from Sydney) amongst the photos from the 1000 engine rally (he
is to the left of the blackie). It is not safe to go anywhere without being
spotted ;)

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2170475090050338362dRGMmA?vhost=good-ti
mes



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
[mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Dave Croft
Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2007 11:25 PM
To: atis
Cc: Old Engine
Subject: Anson Museum & 1000 Engie show pictures

Nick Highfield has just posted 98 very good pictures of the Show & the
museum on Saturday night
See  http://good-times.webshots.com/album/559733375WVbQfZ
The museum has aquired some very rare engines in the last year.
(If you only get a bit of some of the pictures hit the full size button (+)
Better pictures than mine !
Dave Croft
Warrington
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http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jul  4 06:24:49 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:24:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Anson Museum & 1000 Engie show pictures
Message-ID: <004b01c7be3e$b5e9b2b0$e5c30b52@no1>

Nick Highfield has just posted 98 very good pictures of the Show & the museum on Saturday night
See  http://good-times.webshots.com/album/559733375WVbQfZ
The museum has aquired some very rare engines in the last year.
(If you only get a bit of some of the pictures hit the full size button (+)
Better pictures than mine !
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From astfgl at iamnota.org  Thu Jul  5 14:02:25 2007
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:02:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
In-Reply-To: <46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org>
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org> <46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <468D5C61.5080808@iamnota.org>

Well, the mystery deepens. Ian's back from holidays, and suggested that 
if the flywheel did not have a "Southern Cross" cast into the face, it 
was probably not a SC and the number might be stamped into the tail of 
the arrow on the face. After some more de-rusting, there it was, number 
13674. Unfortunately, this isn't anywhere near 5853 which is on the 
crankshaft.....

Glen Harris wrote:
> Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft - 5853 - but there's no 
> sign of anything on the flywheel.
>
> Thanks, glen.
>
> Glen Harris wrote:
>   
>> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure it's the 
>> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't find a 
>> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find a plate 
>> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it might be?
>>
>> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a reply as 
>> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>>
>> Cheers, glen.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jul  5 15:15:06 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:15:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org> <46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org>
	<468D5C61.5080808@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <005801c7bf51$f2ea0e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Something is ringing in the back of my brain.
I believe some early shipments of Fuller & Johnson pumpers were shipped here 
without flywheels to save space and weight.The wheels were made in Oz. This 
might be the case with yours.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info


> Well, the mystery deepens. Ian's back from holidays, and suggested that
> if the flywheel did not have a "Southern Cross" cast into the face, it
> was probably not a SC and the number might be stamped into the tail of
> the arrow on the face. After some more de-rusting, there it was, number
> 13674. Unfortunately, this isn't anywhere near 5853 which is on the
> crankshaft.....
>
> Glen Harris wrote:
>> Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft - 5853 - but there's 
>> no
>> sign of anything on the flywheel.
>>
>> Thanks, glen.
>>
>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>
>>> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure 
>>> it's the
>>> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't 
>>> find a
>>> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find a 
>>> plate
>>> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it might 
>>> be?
>>>
>>> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a 
>>> reply as
>>> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>>>
>>> Cheers, glen.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From enginehead1000 at yahoo.com.au  Thu Jul  5 18:01:14 2007
From: enginehead1000 at yahoo.com.au (david kaye)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:01:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] sundial "A" engine info, manuals, etc....
Message-ID: <720307.82626.qm@web45208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

G'day everyone
 
I have sundial type A 2hp.
 
the engine is all there but in pieces,i got the engine already half restored,but I'm have trouble finding info on how to put the engine together.
like were to put the throttle arm.the timber size for the stand & so on.
what I'm looking for is manuals,books,guides,etc....,that i can download,scans & buy also photocopy of ones that people may have out there.
i have spent two days looking though the Internet with very little success.
anything to help me will be very much appreciated.
thank you for time.

kind regards david


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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Thu Jul  5 18:14:35 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:14:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>
	<46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org><468D5C61.5080808@iamnota.org>
	<005801c7bf51$f2ea0e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <000a01c7bf6b$04e411d0$d4ee683a@Edd>

Hi Glen.The early S/C pumpers did not have the writing on the flywheel.There 
were also many other changes and variations to the F/J pumpers.The cylinder 
had a different # of fins,The head had 1" pipe  exhaust and 3/4" pipe 
intake,the Rosebery and F/J pumpers were 3/4" pipe in/out.When S/C started 
to make pumpers in 1926 they fitted a BTH mag.In 1933 they changes to a Wico 
EK,then in 1936 they changed to a Bosch and in 1956 they changed to a Lucas 
SR1 from a LUCAS NIL.This info comes from a Master parts list I have and 
there is a lot more info on it.It was printed in 1957.I can scan it for you 
and email it to you if you like.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info


> Something is ringing in the back of my brain.
> I believe some early shipments of Fuller & Johnson pumpers were shipped 
> here
> without flywheels to save space and weight.The wheels were made in Oz. 
> This
> might be the case with yours.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
>
>
>> Well, the mystery deepens. Ian's back from holidays, and suggested that
>> if the flywheel did not have a "Southern Cross" cast into the face, it
>> was probably not a SC and the number might be stamped into the tail of
>> the arrow on the face. After some more de-rusting, there it was, number
>> 13674. Unfortunately, this isn't anywhere near 5853 which is on the
>> crankshaft.....
>>
>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>> Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft - 5853 - but there's
>>> no
>>> sign of anything on the flywheel.
>>>
>>> Thanks, glen.
>>>
>>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure
>>>> it's the
>>>> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't
>>>> find a
>>>> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find 
>>>> a
>>>> plate
>>>> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it 
>>>> might
>>>> be?
>>>>
>>>> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a
>>>> reply as
>>>> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, glen.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Thu Jul  5 18:16:38 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:16:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] sundial "A" engine info, manuals, etc....
References: <720307.82626.qm@web45208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c7bf6b$4e260970$d4ee683a@Edd>

Hi David .Try Rally badges or Plow book sales.There info is in the TOMM mag.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david kaye" <enginehead1000 at yahoo.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:01 AM
Subject: [SEL] sundial "A" engine info, manuals, etc....


> G'day everyone
>
> I have sundial type A 2hp.
>
> the engine is all there but in pieces,i got the engine already half 
> restored,but I'm have trouble finding info on how to put the engine 
> together.
> like were to put the throttle arm.the timber size for the stand & so on.
> what I'm looking for is manuals,books,guides,etc....,that i can 
> download,scans & buy also photocopy of ones that people may have out 
> there.
> i have spent two days looking though the Internet with very little 
> success.
> anything to help me will be very much appreciated.
> thank you for time.
>
> kind regards david
>
>
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________________ 
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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  5 22:55:31 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:55:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
In-Reply-To: <468D5C61.5080808@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <530884.80510.qm@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day Glen

According to Southern Cross Engines by Rod Laurent
#13674 was allocated to a in 1942 to a YD-B and was
one of a batch of 50.
There were 300 pumpers made that year but not near
13674 number

Ian may be able to confirm.

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW


--- Glen Harris <astfgl at iamnota.org> wrote:
 After some more de-rusting,
> there it was, number 
> 13674. 


 
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Jul  6 16:18:55 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:18:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
References: <001f01c7b9a9$471e05f0$0201a8c0@SHOP> <468419D4.5040001@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <019801c7c024$05f582c0$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Including the big New Ways!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp


> And Springfield, Columbus, White Middleton, GSM.... quite a few used the 
> ported exhaust practice.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
>>Also Canfield and Callahan
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>Dave Otto
>>Boise, Idaho
>>USA
>>  
>>
> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jul  6 17:44:52 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:44:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
In-Reply-To: <019801c7c024$05f582c0$336d4b47@mikecomp>
References: <001f01c7b9a9$471e05f0$0201a8c0@SHOP> <468419D4.5040001@scrtc.com>
	<019801c7c024$05f582c0$336d4b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <468EE204.8000400@scrtc.com>

Yup!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Including the big New Ways!
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
>
>
>  
>
>>And Springfield, Columbus, White Middleton, GSM.... quite a few used the 
>>ported exhaust practice.
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Also Canfield and Callahan
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>Dave Otto
>>>Boise, Idaho
>>>USA
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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>>    
>>
>
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From astfgl at iamnota.org  Fri Jul  6 17:53:32 2007
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:53:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7bf6b$04e411d0$d4ee683a@Edd>
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>	<46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org><468D5C61.5080808@iamnota.org>	<005801c7bf51$f2ea0e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<000a01c7bf6b$04e411d0$d4ee683a@Edd>
Message-ID: <468EE40C.1060806@iamnota.org>

I counted the fins this morning, and there's 24 of them. Also, the magneto is 
a N1L'G.

Edd Payne wrote:
> Hi Glen.The early S/C pumpers did not have the writing on the flywheel.There 
> were also many other changes and variations to the F/J pumpers.The cylinder 
> had a different # of fins,The head had 1" pipe  exhaust and 3/4" pipe 
> intake,the Rosebery and F/J pumpers were 3/4" pipe in/out.When S/C started 
> to make pumpers in 1926 they fitted a BTH mag.In 1933 they changes to a Wico 
> EK,then in 1936 they changed to a Bosch and in 1956 they changed to a Lucas 
> SR1 from a LUCAS NIL.This info comes from a Master parts list I have and 
> there is a lot more info on it.It was printed in 1957.I can scan it for you 
> and email it to you if you like.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
> 
> 
>> Something is ringing in the back of my brain.
>> I believe some early shipments of Fuller & Johnson pumpers were shipped 
>> here
>> without flywheels to save space and weight.The wheels were made in Oz. 
>> This
>> might be the case with yours.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
>>
>>
>>> Well, the mystery deepens. Ian's back from holidays, and suggested that
>>> if the flywheel did not have a "Southern Cross" cast into the face, it
>>> was probably not a SC and the number might be stamped into the tail of
>>> the arrow on the face. After some more de-rusting, there it was, number
>>> 13674. Unfortunately, this isn't anywhere near 5853 which is on the
>>> crankshaft.....
>>>
>>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>>> Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft - 5853 - but there's
>>>> no
>>>> sign of anything on the flywheel.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, glen.
>>>>
>>>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure
>>>>> it's the
>>>>> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't
>>>>> find a
>>>>> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find 
>>>>> a
>>>>> plate
>>>>> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it 
>>>>> might
>>>>> be?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a
>>>>> reply as
>>>>> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, glen.
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul  7 15:29:26 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:29:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>	<46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org><468D5C61.5080808@iamnota.org>	<005801c7bf51$f2ea0e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><000a01c7bf6b$04e411d0$d4ee683a@Edd>
	<468EE40C.1060806@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <002101c7c0e6$480ad8f0$d4ee683a@Edd>

Glen.I sent the scan of the S/C info to your home e address but both mails 
have returned as undeliverable.I sent them on Friday.I used the e address as 
bellow.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info


>I counted the fins this morning, and there's 24 of them. Also, the magneto 
>is
> a N1L'G.
>
> Edd Payne wrote:
>> Hi Glen.The early S/C pumpers did not have the writing on the 
>> flywheel.There
>> were also many other changes and variations to the F/J pumpers.The 
>> cylinder
>> had a different # of fins,The head had 1" pipe  exhaust and 3/4" pipe
>> intake,the Rosebery and F/J pumpers were 3/4" pipe in/out.When S/C 
>> started
>> to make pumpers in 1926 they fitted a BTH mag.In 1933 they changes to a 
>> Wico
>> EK,then in 1936 they changed to a Bosch and in 1956 they changed to a 
>> Lucas
>> SR1 from a LUCAS NIL.This info comes from a Master parts list I have and
>> there is a lot more info on it.It was printed in 1957.I can scan it for 
>> you
>> and email it to you if you like.
>> EDD PAYNE
>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
>> Australia
>> 2852
>> Phone:0263742387
>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>> edsengns
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
>>
>>
>>> Something is ringing in the back of my brain.
>>> I believe some early shipments of Fuller & Johnson pumpers were shipped
>>> here
>>> without flywheels to save space and weight.The wheels were made in Oz.
>>> This
>>> might be the case with yours.
>>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:02 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, the mystery deepens. Ian's back from holidays, and suggested that
>>>> if the flywheel did not have a "Southern Cross" cast into the face, it
>>>> was probably not a SC and the number might be stamped into the tail of
>>>> the arrow on the face. After some more de-rusting, there it was, number
>>>> 13674. Unfortunately, this isn't anywhere near 5853 which is on the
>>>> crankshaft.....
>>>>
>>>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>>>> Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft - 5853 - but 
>>>>> there's
>>>>> no
>>>>> sign of anything on the flywheel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, glen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure
>>>>>> it's the
>>>>>> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't
>>>>>> find a
>>>>>> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't 
>>>>>> find
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> plate
>>>>>> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a
>>>>>> reply as
>>>>>> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers, glen.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Jul  8 05:43:08 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 05:43:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <20070620.124409.1240.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><01fe01c7b40a$6df25860$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><001b01c7be43$50f888e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
	<002201c7be72$d8e2f450$0202a8c0@VALUED3253602F>
Message-ID: <014e01c7c15d$89ae76a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Turns out that with all of them installed there was too much friction. When 
the piston was in the bore I couldn't hardly move it.
Ended up with 4 in the top and center grooves with spacers and the bottom 
groove empty. It's installed and has plenty of compression.  Maybe only for 
now, but I can add more rings later if need be.
BTW, had to remove .030 from the ring groove bottom to make them fit.  Guys 
were teasing me that I'd probably end up machining the piston in half......

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dickie" <reb1952 at bellsouth.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T


> My machine shop guy suggested using thinner rings also, maybe not that 
> many
> though. He said thinner rings would seal better than the thick ones.
>
> Dick Bauer
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 8:57 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
>
>
>> I am trying something different.  My guy at the machine shop came up with
> an
>> idea of using NOS automotive cast iron rings. He found a source for 4 
>> 1/16
>> bore so we bought them. Takes five in each groove. A pic at
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp
>>
>> Anyone else tried this?  I think it should work. It appears there is 
>> about
>> .005 clearance with all of them stacked.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
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From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Jul  8 14:59:31 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:59:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <20070620.124409.1240.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><01fe01c7b40a$6df25860$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><001b01c7be43$50f888e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><002201c7be72$d8e2f450$0202a8c0@VALUED3253602F>
	<014e01c7c15d$89ae76a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <015b01c7c1ab$44baa700$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

It's all together, not running yet, working on the nameplate, battery saver, 
water tank and finding correct oilers.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp

Dave 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul  8 15:25:06 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:25:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
Message-ID: <20070708.152507.2000.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Lookin' good Dave,
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:59:31 -0700 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
> It's all together, not running yet, working on the nameplate, battery 
> saver, 
> water tank and finding correct oilers.
> 
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp
> 
> Dave 


From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Jul  8 23:51:45 2007
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:51:45 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Magneto gear
Message-ID: <00ec01c7c1f5$9d869660$210110ac@service>

Hi list, can anyone help me?, im after a magneto gear for a Stewart or Cooper little wonder, it is the thin type, but the wider one would work, appreciate any help, cheers,
Chester from West Aus.



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul  8 16:05:25 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:05:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need to contact some Stover YB owners for a friend
Message-ID: <00d801c7c1b4$78d382b0$240110ac@FAMILY>

I would like to hear from anyone who has a Stover YB. A friend of mine had come into possession of one and needs some help and advice on getting it running.

Paul



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 12:59:10 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:59:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs
In-Reply-To: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <928796.19476.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Howdy, List.

Does anyone know where this page went?
TIA,
Alan

Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote: After wasting some money on some real crappy quality reprints from an
outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and have scanned them and
placed them here for you to download and use free:

http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm

Scroll halfway down and there are links to the pdf files, the download
size is next to them and if you don't have dsl or cable, you might want to
make a sandwich.......
The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is well
received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan.
Can someone forward the link to the Farmall list for me? I like IHC stuff,
but any more than two cylinders is a waste of iron and electric starters
are for girls.
Joe


 
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Mon Jul  9 18:58:15 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:58:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
Message-ID: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>

Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V 
AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in 
the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete 
and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it 
looks very nice to many toys not enough money
R Fink
Central PA 




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 16:18:20 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:18:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <650515.72885.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How many KW?
What is the engine HP?

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote: Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V 
AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in 
the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete 
and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it 
looks very nice to many toys not enough money
R Fink
Central PA 


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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Mon Jul  9 19:34:03 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:34:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <650515.72885.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<650515.72885.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070709233413.950A9229C56@md5.pennswoods.net>

Alan it says on the tag 1.5 KVA
HP 4.5
R Fink


At 04:18 PM 7/9/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>How many KW?
>What is the engine HP?
>
>Alan Bowen
>Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote: Hi any one 
>interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V
>AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in
>the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete
>and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it
>looks very nice to many toys not enough money
>R Fink
>Central PA
>
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Mon Jul  9 16:54:06 2007
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:54:06 GMT
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
Message-ID: <20070709.195406.20136.0@webmail29.lax.untd.com>

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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Mon Jul  9 20:22:38 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:22:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <20070709.195406.20136.0@webmail29.lax.untd.com>
References: <20070709.195406.20136.0@webmail29.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20070710002245.B992D229D01@md5.pennswoods.net>

It is Joe. As heavy as it is it most likely can't ever wear out. I 
have a buck and a half in it?
R Fink


At 11:54 PM 7/9/2007 +0000, you wrote:
>Richard, is this the one with the brass radiator and 4 cylinder engine.
>Heavy little devils... how much for it? Thanks, Joe
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 17:26:10 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:26:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <20070709233413.950A9229C56@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <852324.50884.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the info, Richard.
That's too small for what I want.  I guess I will go with the 5kw, 10hp Kolar powered genny I have. I would like to find one a bit bigger.
I want to make a run at this, only with a genny,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXrvCCILw&mode=related&search=


Do you have pictures on line?
I am just wondering if it could be a show genny.
I am very close to acquiring a 32 Volt Delco light plant with the auto start feature.

Alan

Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote: Alan it says on the tag 1.5 KVA
HP 4.5
R Fink


At 04:18 PM 7/9/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>How many KW?
>What is the engine HP?
>
>Alan Bowen
>Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>Richard Fink Sr  wrote: Hi any one 
>interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V
>AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in
>the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete
>and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it
>looks very nice to many toys not enough money
>R Fink
>Central PA
>
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From eallandar at rohrerbus.com  Mon Jul  9 18:26:27 2007
From: eallandar at rohrerbus.com (Ed Allandar)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:26:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <20070710012422.246F61BEF5@smtp0.ctinetworks.com>

Tell me more, I'm interested.


Ed Allandar
1-800-735-6700 x223
www.rohrerbus.com
www.rohrerbussales.com
eallandar at rohrerbus.com
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Fink
Sr
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:58 PM
To: sEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE

Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V 
AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in 
the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete 
and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it 
looks very nice to many toys not enough money
R Fink
Central PA 


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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jul  9 22:30:58 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:30:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Austral Register
Message-ID: <20070710053042.KUPQ19191.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I am slowly getting all the Austral Register information together. I am in
the process of building a computer database of all the engines on the
register. With over 1000 engines on the register it is a time consuming
task. I have now put a form on my website as there are still a lot of
engines not yet recorded. Feel free to download it and fill it out if you
have or know of an Austral.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/TheAustralRegisterForm.doc

If any of the many members on the list spot an Austral at a rally, jot down
the details and send them to me as it may well be an engine I do not already
have on the register.

Many thanks. Patrick

PS. I am only looking for sideshaft Australs or pushrod engines from the
'First 300'.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 23:04:20 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:04:20 +0100
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
References: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707092304y44cd911ev768847fb80cf890c@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/07/07, Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote:
> Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V
> AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in
> the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete
> and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it
> looks very nice to many toys not enough money
> R Fink
> Central PA
>

1E21 is an auto-start emergency standby set, 2-wire 115V 60Hz unit.

Breakdown of Kohler part numbering here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/KohlerCode.htm

Main Kohler pages menu here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/Kohler.htm

1940's Kohler sales brochure and spec's here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/KohlerBrochure21.htm

We don't have any information on this particular model yet.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Jul 10 04:32:28 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:32:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs
In-Reply-To: <928796.19476.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEGEFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Alan:

Ain't here, neither.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Alan Bowen
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 02:59 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs
> 
> 
> Howdy, List.
> 
> Does anyone know where this page went?
> TIA,
> Alan
> 
> Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> After wasting some money on some real crappy 
> quality reprints from an
> outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and 
> have scanned them and
> placed them here for you to download and use free:
> 
> http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm

...............snip.....................




From astfgl at iamnota.org  Tue Jul 10 03:57:40 2007
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:57:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs
In-Reply-To: <928796.19476.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <928796.19476.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46936624.8030703@iamnota.org>

I found that message in the archives from January, and someone also accessed 
the files in February, but sometime between then and now the server has been 
misconfigured. A Google search shows many web pages on that server, but most 
of them now generate a 404 error.

The wayback machine has copies of the site, but the latest version it has is 
from 1996. The joe.html page is viewable there, and links to two PDF files on 
the server still work, so the PDFs may still be available there. Without 
knowing the filenames and paths, though, they're inaccessible.

Have you tried contacting Joe to find out if he can fix the server, or upload 
them elsewhere?

Alan Bowen wrote:
> Howdy, List.
> 
> Does anyone know where this page went?
> TIA,
> Alan
> 
> Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote: After wasting some money on some real crappy quality reprints from an
> outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and have scanned them and
> placed them here for you to download and use free:
> 
> http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm
> 
> Scroll halfway down and there are links to the pdf files, the download
> size is next to them and if you don't have dsl or cable, you might want to
> make a sandwich.......
> The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is well
> received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan.
> Can someone forward the link to the Farmall list for me? I like IHC stuff,
> but any more than two cylinders is a waste of iron and electric starters
> are for girls.
> Joe
> 
> 
>  
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul 10 07:30:04 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:30:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE ("auto-start" Kohler)
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160707092304y44cd911ev768847fb80cf890c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<6f6025160707092304y44cd911ev768847fb80cf890c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707101023460.93700@vegeta.city-net.com>

BTW, those "auto-start" Kohler power plants make GREAT displays.

Bill Tremel and his dad had one they got from a oil rig in PA or WV.  They
set it up on a trailer, with the old rig and accoutrements.  They had a
nice string of old lights and other period electrical equipment.  The old
on-off switch was on a pole with a sign explaining the rig and
instructions to flip the switch.

The spectator did, the genset fired up, the lights lit, and stuff started
to happen.  Flip the switch off and the whole display shut down.

VERY nice display!!  Definitely answered the "what was it used for"
question.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Listerdiesel wrote:

> On 10/07/07, Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote:
> > Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V
> > AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in
> > the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete
> > and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it
> > looks very nice to many toys not enough money
> > R Fink
> > Central PA
> >
>
> 1E21 is an auto-start emergency standby set, 2-wire 115V 60Hz unit.



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Jul 10 09:58:44 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:58:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <852324.50884.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070709233413.950A9229C56@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<852324.50884.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070710135931.893A2229D11@md5.pennswoods.net>

At 05:26 PM 7/9/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks for the info, Richard.
>That's too small for what I want.  I guess I will go with the 5kw, 
>10hp Kolar powered genny I have. I would like to find one a bit bigger.
>I want to make a run at this, only with a genny,
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXrvCCILw&mode=related&search=
>
>
>Do you have pictures on line?
>I am just wondering if it could be a show genny.
>I am very close to acquiring a 32 Volt Delco light plant with the 
>auto start feature.
>
>Alan
No i don't have a photos of it. Will take some and send if you want. 
Yes it would be a show genny. It may be a auto start don't know.
R Fink 




From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Jul 10 10:08:13 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:08:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160707092304y44cd911ev768847fb80cf890c@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<6f6025160707092304y44cd911ev768847fb80cf890c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070710140818.CC736229CFE@md5.pennswoods.net>

Thanks Peter.
R Fink



At 07:04 AM 7/10/2007 +0100, you wrote:
>On 10/07/07, Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote:
> > Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V
> > AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in
> > the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete
> > and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it
> > looks very nice to many toys not enough money
> > R Fink
> > Central PA
> >
>
>1E21 is an auto-start emergency standby set, 2-wire 115V 60Hz unit.
>
>Breakdown of Kohler part numbering here:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/KohlerCode.htm
>
>Main Kohler pages menu here:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/Kohler.htm
>
>1940's Kohler sales brochure and spec's here:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/KohlerBrochure21.htm
>
>We don't have any information on this particular model yet.
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Jul 10 10:10:26 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:10:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <20070710012422.246F61BEF5@smtp0.ctinetworks.com>
References: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<20070710012422.246F61BEF5@smtp0.ctinetworks.com>
Message-ID: <20070710141032.88715229A7B@md5.pennswoods.net>

Model 1E21 115 v ac KVA 1.5 4.5 hp Battery 32 v  as you read it is auto start
R Fink




At 09:26 PM 7/9/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>Tell me more, I'm interested.
>
>
>Ed Allandar
>1-800-735-6700 x223
>www.rohrerbus.com
>www.rohrerbussales.com
>eallandar at rohrerbus.com
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Fink
>Sr
>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:58 PM
>To: sEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
>
>Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V
>AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in
>the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete
>and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it
>looks very nice to many toys not enough money
>R Fink
>Central PA
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 09:51:39 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:51:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE ("auto-start" Kohler)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707101023460.93700@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<6f6025160707092304y44cd911ev768847fb80cf890c@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707101023460.93700@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707100951h4c3657e6u6a67419be191ec8d@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/07/07, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> BTW, those "auto-start" Kohler power plants make GREAT displays.
>

The Lister Start-O-Matic gen sets are also very entertaining, and as
neither the Kohler or the Lister have start motors (it's all done in
the generator head) it is uncanny watching the thing fire up.

The Listers had various devices for valve lifting and fuel pump
control that made it all a bit 'Black Magic' to watch as it turned
over and started up.
Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 19:14:50 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:14:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Pinckneyville, Illinois  Show ???
In-Reply-To: <20070710141032.88715229A7B@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <950387.84907.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is there anyone going to this show the weekend before Portland?
I am looking at a not very heavy item on EBay that the seller can deliver to the Pinckneyville, Illinois show.

Thanks,
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

       
---------------------------------
Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. 


From reb1952 at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul 10 19:27:13 2007
From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:27:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pinckneyville, Illinois  Show ???
References: <950387.84907.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701c7c362$fdf2fd40$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F>

Alan my tentative plans are to make both shows but won't know about
Pinckneyville for sure for a couple of weeks.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Old Engine.Org List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Pinckneyville, Illinois Show ???


> Is there anyone going to this show the weekend before Portland?
> I am looking at a not very heavy item on EBay that the seller can deliver
to the Pinckneyville, Illinois show.
>
> Thanks,
> Alan Bowen
> Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail,
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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Jul 10 20:26:44 2007
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Pinckneyville, Illinois  Show ???
In-Reply-To: <950387.84907.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <473121.56648.qm@web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Alan

My Dad might be going down there.  He is thinking of taking his little hay
press and an engine down.  (He wants to show it with my 6 year old nephew
(one of his grandsons).  

Steve
--- Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is there anyone going to this show the weekend before Portland?
> I am looking at a not very heavy item on EBay that the seller can
> deliver to the Pinckneyville, Illinois show.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alan Bowen
> Williamsburg, Michigan
> 
>        
> ---------------------------------
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> mail, news, photos & more. 
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jul 11 18:11:06 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:11:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
Message-ID: <20070711.181106.1616.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Can anyone tell me the hp of a Briggs modes 14 engine?  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Jul 11 20:04:12 2007
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:04:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
In-Reply-To: <20070711.181106.1616.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070711230226.00bed788@webmail.accnorwalk.com>

At 06:11 PM 7/11/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all.  Can anyone tell me the hp of a Briggs modes 14 engine?  Thanks.

5 HP +/- 1/2
             Doug Tallman
VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director
       Greenwich, Ohio, USA



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 11 20:34:03 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:34:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20070711230226.00bed788@webmail.accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c7c435$7ea853e0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Doug

I think 5.1hp

http://www.outdoordistributors.com/Briggs_And_Stratton/briggs_part_lists.html

http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#14

http://books.google.com.au/books?q=briggs+%26+stratton+model+14&ots=KvreThAzpQ&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title

http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/carbtyp.html#Type%20Q

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm





> At 06:11 PM 7/11/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi all.  Can anyone tell me the hp of a Briggs modes 14 engine?  Thanks.
>
> 5 HP +/- 1/2
>             Doug Tallman
> VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director
>       Greenwich, Ohio, USA
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jul 11 20:47:33 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:47:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
Message-ID: <20070711.204733.1616.5.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Doug. 

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:04:12 -0400 Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
writes:
> At 06:11 PM 7/11/2007 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hi all.  Can anyone tell me the hp of a Briggs modes 14 engine?  
> Thanks.
> 
> 5 HP +/- 1/2
>              Doug Tallman
> VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director
>


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jul 11 21:09:53 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:09:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
Message-ID: <20070711.210953.1616.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Peter that is some really good information.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:34:03 +1000 "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
writes:
> Hi Doug
> 
> I think 5.1hp
> 
>
http://www.outdoordistributors.com/Briggs_And_Stratton/briggs_part_lists.
html
> 
> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#14
> 
>
http://books.google.com.au/books?q=briggs+%26+stratton+model+14&ots=KvreT
hAzpQ&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title
> 
> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/carbtyp.html#Type%20Q
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> 
> 
> 
> 


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 11 21:58:34 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:58:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
References: <20070711.210953.1616.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <009601c7c441$4d2c0f80$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Ron
Briggs are not my type of engine, but I was sitting here working and tried 
to help, not an awful lot on the Web that I could find in a hurry.
Regards
Peter



> Thanks Peter that is some really good information.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:34:03 +1000 "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
> writes:
>> Hi Doug
>>
>> I think 5.1hp
>>
>>
> http://www.outdoordistributors.com/Briggs_And_Stratton/briggs_part_lists.
> html
>>
>> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#14
>>
>>
> http://books.google.com.au/books?q=briggs+%26+stratton+model+14&ots=KvreT
> hAzpQ&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title
>>
>> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/carbtyp.html#Type%20Q
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
>> R&V Engine Registrar
>> Australia
>> Ph: 61-266453455
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From driggars at wildblue.net  Wed Jul 11 22:28:08 2007
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:28:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
In-Reply-To: <009601c7c441$4d2c0f80$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <20070711.210953.1616.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<009601c7c441$4d2c0f80$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <4695BBE8.3090305@wildblue.net>

I have one of those engines setting in my shed, it is about 5 HP

Clint


Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi Ron
> Briggs are not my type of engine, but I was sitting here working and tried 
> to help, not an awful lot on the Web that I could find in a hurry.
> Regards
> Peter
>
>
>
>   
>> Thanks Peter that is some really good information.
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:34:03 +1000 "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>> writes:
>>     
>>> Hi Doug
>>>
>>> I think 5.1hp
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> http://www.outdoordistributors.com/Briggs_And_Stratton/briggs_part_lists.
>> html
>>     
>>> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#14
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> http://books.google.com.au/books?q=briggs+%26+stratton+model+14&ots=KvreT
>> hAzpQ&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title
>>     
>>> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/carbtyp.html#Type%20Q
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Peter Lowe
>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>> Australia
>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jul 12 07:13:51 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:13:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
Message-ID: <20070712.101510.832.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Ron,
2.6 - 5.2
Check out asecc
 
http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs-horsepower.html
 
Hope this helps
 
Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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  (_o_)                Communism and practice it simultaneously?"


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jul 12 08:22:13 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:22:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
Message-ID: <20070712.082213.2020.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Joe.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:13:51 -0400 Joseph L Betz <jlb94 at juno.com> writes:
> Hi Ron,
> 2.6 - 5.2
> Check out asecc
>  
> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs-horsepower.html
>  
> Hope this helps
>  
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>    ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>    \/)"(\/      " How is it possible for Americans to denounce
>   (_o_)                Communism and practice it simultaneously?"


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jul 12 08:23:16 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:23:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
Message-ID: <20070712.082316.2020.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Clint.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:28:08 -0500 Clint D <driggars at wildblue.net>
writes:
> I have one of those engines setting in my shed, it is about 5 HP
> 
> Clint
> 


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jul 12 14:31:16 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:31:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor problems URGENT please
Message-ID: <001101c7c4cb$faa39c20$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

I have a guy in northern Queensland who is restoring an R&V engine for the 
National Rally next week and he is having ignitor problems.
I do not have any stand alone ignitor engines and have never worked on just 
an ignitor. I know how they work though ;-))

The engine is dead, it has spark on the ignitor points, it has fresh fuel, 
nothing, dead, deceased, will not run.
He is using a fluoro light 36watt fluoro ballast at 12 volts, I have had 
better results making them out of 56watt ballasts.

He ran the voltage up to 24 volts and the engine runs nicely, but that is an 
impractical voltage to rally with plus I would guess the extra current would 
not be good for the points in the long run.
The engine timing is correct.

Anyone got any clues.

For those going to the National, can you look this guy up and take some good 
clear digital photos for me please.
The owners name is Lex Mackay and it is a 2hp SR series R&V.


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 16:25:29 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:25:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor problems URGENT please
Message-ID: <c44.19b27180.33c81269@aol.com>

Peter,
 
How about trying a 12 volt spark coil out of an old car.  Just forget the 
high voltage side and use the +/- sides of the coil.  Works for me.  Unless he is 
having some kind of insulator leakage under compression is the only thing I 
can think of.  Of course timing/spark gap/springs also come into play.
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
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From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com  Thu Jul 12 16:28:45 2007
From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:28:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor problems URGENT please
In-Reply-To: <001101c7c4cb$faa39c20$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <001101c7c4cb$faa39c20$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <4696B92D.6010305@matthewsfarm.com>

Peter,
  Check to see that the ignitor is properly grounded and the other lead 
is properly insulated, not cracked or burnt on the insulation. The 
ignitor should have a good snap when it trips.
The contacts may be checked by being sure that they are closed and then 
disconnecting the power to them.  You should get a spark at the 
connection-disconnection place.
Hope this helps.
Bob

<<Bob Matthews>>
  <<NW Ohio>>



Peter Lowe wrote:

>Hi all
>
>I have a guy in northern Queensland who is restoring an R&V engine for the 
>National Rally next week and he is having ignitor problems.
>I do not have any stand alone ignitor engines and have never worked on just 
>an ignitor. I know how they work though ;-))
>
>The engine is dead, it has spark on the ignitor points, it has fresh fuel, 
>nothing, dead, deceased, will not run.
>He is using a fluoro light 36watt fluoro ballast at 12 volts, I have had 
>better results making them out of 56watt ballasts.
>
>He ran the voltage up to 24 volts and the engine runs nicely, but that is an 
>impractical voltage to rally with plus I would guess the extra current would 
>not be good for the points in the long run.
>The engine timing is correct.
>
>Anyone got any clues.
>
>
>
>
>  
>


From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 12 19:14:27 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:14:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor problems URGENT please
In-Reply-To: <4696B92D.6010305@matthewsfarm.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEJFFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Another thing that can cause grief with low tension ignition is the insulators in the ignitor assembly.  I've seen some that would fire just fine outside the engine then not work inside the combustion chamber and under compression.

I think that, like high-tension spark plugs, the insulation can break down and make the spark occur within the ignitor itself, making for a puny or non-existant spark at the points.

You might want to take the ignitor apart, clean and dry all the mica washers and tubes then re-assemble it dry.

Take care - Elden 

> Peter Lowe wrote:
> 
> >Hi all
> >
> >I have a guy in northern Queensland who is 
> restoring an R&V engine for the 
> >National Rally next week and he is having 
> ignitor problems.
> >I do not have any stand alone ignitor engines 
> and have never worked on just 
> >an ignitor. I know how they work though ;-))
> >
> >The engine is dead, it has spark on the ignitor 
> points, it has fresh fuel, 
> >nothing, dead, deceased, will not run.
> >He is using a fluoro light 36watt fluoro ballast 
> at 12 volts, I have had 
> >better results making them out of 56watt ballasts.
> >
> >He ran the voltage up to 24 volts and the engine 
> runs nicely, but that is an 
> >impractical voltage to rally with plus I would 
> guess the extra current would 
> >not be good for the points in the long run.
> >The engine timing is correct.
> >
> >Anyone got any clues.




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 13 03:27:51 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:27:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
References: <002e01c7c4d0$569b04b0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<000c01c7c4d2$c7004b50$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <001a01c7c538$77b17ef0$0601a8c0@altech>

>> Hi all
>> Does anyone know anything about Thompson engine valves? does Company 
>> still exist?, time frame of company?, who they are now?
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe


>
> Hi Peter, are you sure it isn't an automobile steam engine?
> see 
> http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=214763&search=steam+engine&images=&c=&s=
> Dave Croft




Hi Dave
NO, this engine that has the Thompson valves is an R&V, I was just curious 
as to the company, their origin, if they still exist, the age of the valves, 
if they are original.
It is all part of deeply researching within the R&V register.
It is all the behind the scenes work that goes on and occasionally we come 
out into the light of day for help from our gurus.
Anyone can write an engine history, I have already done this, most of the 
leg work is well under way. I like to cross the"T's" and dot the "I's".
You would probably call that a fanatic, but I find the between the lines 
info more interesting than just the engine history.
My book starts from the birth of its two founders, the rise and fall of 
their empire and their legacy which we now enjoy.

So, oh wise and wonderful group of gurus, I still need to know more about 
Thompson engine valves USA !!!

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 13 03:29:13 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:29:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor problems URGENT please
References: <c44.19b27180.33c81269@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002501c7c538$a84a23a0$0601a8c0@altech>

Thanks to all those who replied, you know who you are

Regards
Peter


From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 13 05:01:31 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:01:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
In-Reply-To: <001a01c7c538$77b17ef0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEJIFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Here's a link to the company that used to be Thompson Valve Company.

http://www.c-m-c.com/

>From the web page, "We have been manufacturing engine valves in Southern California since the 1920s. First as JADSON which was acquired by Thompson Products in the 1930s. Thompson Products changed it's name to TRW in 1960. We purchased the Industrial Products Division of TRW in 1988."

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 05:28 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ATIS
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
> 
> 
> >> Hi all
> >> Does anyone know anything about Thompson 
> engine valves? does Company 
> >> still exist?, time frame of company?, who they are now?
> >> Regards
> >> Peter Lowe




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 13 05:03:01 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:03:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEJIFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <005101c7c545$c2c3b6d0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Eldin

Yes I found that site and contact their CEO and he said NO, it was not them 
????

Ths is the transcript of our conversation:
.......................................................................

Subject: RE: CMC valve identification please

Not us. We were JADSON until the late 1920s.

This was probably "Thompson Products" in Cleveland who purchased JADSON.


Charlie,
Have you any information that might help this fellow?
Jeanette


Hello
My names is Peter Lowe from Australia and a need some help on valve
identification please.
The attached pictures shows a Thompson Valve with a logo CMC, were these
valves made by your company?
How long has your company been making engine valves?
I look forward to your reply,
Regards
Peter Lowe






From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 13 05:19:33 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:19:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEJIFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <006601c7c548$1229e080$0601a8c0@altech>

I have made another enquiry through CMC using a different tact, will see 
what happens.
If you play dumb and make them feel important you often get better results.

Peter




> Peter:
>
> Here's a link to the company that used to be Thompson Valve Company.
>
> http://www.c-m-c.com/
>
>>From the web page, "We have been manufacturing engine valves in Southern 
>>California since the 1920s. First as JADSON which was acquired by Thompson 
>>Products in the 1930s. Thompson Products changed it's name to TRW in 1960. 
>>We purchased the Industrial Products Division of TRW in 1988."
>
> Take care - Elden
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 05:28 AM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ATIS
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
>>
>>
>> >> Hi all
>> >> Does anyone know anything about Thompson
>> engine valves? does Company
>> >> still exist?, time frame of company?, who they are now?
>> >> Regards
>> >> Peter Lowe
>
>
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul 14 01:52:11 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:52:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
Message-ID: <000a01c7c5f4$452e68f0$e8046c3a@fred>

Hi,
A new toy arrived today,it was bought by my father in 1957, we located it about 6 years ago and have been trying to purchase it since, my son got a call 3 days ago asking if he still wanted it seeing it belonged to his grandfather, a 4HP. inter. famous totaly complete and dry stored for last 30 years, it will take pride of place in our shed, photos on webshots link below,more photos when we clean and get in the shed.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul 14 02:10:02 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:10:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
References: <000a01c7c5f4$452e68f0$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <000601c7c5f6$c3c2f8f0$37426c3a@Edd>

Very nice Brian.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Watts" <briwatt at optusnet.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Toy


> Hi,
> A new toy arrived today,it was bought by my father in 1957, we located it 
> about 6 years ago and have been trying to purchase it since, my son got a 
> call 3 days ago asking if he still wanted it seeing it belonged to his 
> grandfather, a 4HP. inter. famous totaly complete and dry stored for last 
> 30 years, it will take pride of place in our shed, photos on webshots link 
> below,more photos when we clean and get in the shed.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jul 14 04:57:56 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:57:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
References: <002e01c7c4d0$569b04b0$0601a8c0@altech> <46981148.20908@xtra.co.nz>
Message-ID: <003c01c7c60e$37cd6d40$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi All
This was CMC's final reply to me about Thompson Valves.
Regards
Peter



Hi Peter
I can tell you that Thompson which became TRW Corp has been broken up and
sold off to other companies.  There is neither Thompson nor TRW any longer.
I suspect these valves were produced at the old Bell California plant (also
long gone) for Thompson products. You might look online for a history of
American Corporations for further information; www.Hoovers.com or
www.onesource.com might get you started. Sorry not to be of more help.
Jeanette


From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Jul 14 06:51:35 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:51:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7c5f4$452e68f0$e8046c3a@fred>
References: <000a01c7c5f4$452e68f0$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070714235006.01a30390@ncable.com.au>

Nice toy Brian, I see you have them common engines out in the weather 
now! Wheres you PITT ?? I remember seeing it about where the new blacky is.
Russ

At 06:52 PM 14/07/2007, you wrote:
>Hi,
>A new toy arrived today,it was bought by my father in 1957, we 
>located it about 6 years ago and have been trying to purchase it 
>since, my son got a call 3 days ago asking if he still wanted it 
>seeing it belonged to his grandfather, a 4HP. inter. famous totaly 
>complete and dry stored for last 30 years, it will take pride of 
>place in our shed, photos on webshots link below,more photos when we 
>clean and get in the shed.
>Brian and David Watts
>Melbourne
>Australia
>(03) 97266147
>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Jul 14 08:58:51 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:58:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
Message-ID: <d16.11a6be13.33ca4cbb@aol.com>

Brian,
 
Nice engine to have back in the family!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 14 14:14:23 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:14:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] find a club
Message-ID: <001901c7c65b$f41b9380$6701a8c0@PaulNew>

I am looking for a list of engine clubs, I would like to find one not too
far from me.  Anyone kwon a link to such a list??

 

Paul Waugh - IN

 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Jul 14 14:25:42 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:25:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
Message-ID: <20070714.172853.212.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Congrats Brian and David


Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " How is it possible for Americans to denounce
  (_o_)                Communism and practice it simultaneously?"


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 15:19:42 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:19:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] find a club
In-Reply-To: <001901c7c65b$f41b9380$6701a8c0@PaulNew>
Message-ID: <17648.29348.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul,,,,,,,,,,
Just where in Indiana are you?
Get a Show Directory.  There are only 20 pages of Indiana shows listed. That's about 50 shows.

OR, Just go here, register and take a look.

http://www.farmcollectorshowdirectory.com/

IHTH
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

Paul <pwaugh at mchsi.com> wrote: I am looking for a list of engine clubs, I would like to find one not too
far from me.  Anyone kwon a link to such a list??

 

Paul Waugh - IN
 
       
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul 14 15:31:24 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:31:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
References: <000a01c7c5f4$452e68f0$e8046c3a@fred>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070714235006.01a30390@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <003f01c7c666$b6f34ab0$e8046c3a@fred>

Hi Russell,
We sold the Pitt, have decided to reduce quantity and go for quality, we 
were filling the shed with too many common engs.that were just taking up 
space, all that were sold can be replaced but as rarer ones come available 
we will start buying again,David will be moving house and there will be a 
new shed and I will get my garage back so we are still looking for more.
Regards.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toy


> Nice toy Brian, I see you have them common engines out in the weather
> now! Wheres you PITT ?? I remember seeing it about where the new blacky 
> is.
> Russ
>
> At 06:52 PM 14/07/2007, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>A new toy arrived today,it was bought by my father in 1957, we
>>located it about 6 years ago and have been trying to purchase it
>>since, my son got a call 3 days ago asking if he still wanted it
>>seeing it belonged to his grandfather, a 4HP. inter. famous totaly
>>complete and dry stored for last 30 years, it will take pride of
>>place in our shed, photos on webshots link below,more photos when we
>>clean and get in the shed.
>>Brian and David Watts
>>Melbourne
>>Australia
>>(03) 97266147
>>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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From enginehead1000 at yahoo.com.au  Sat Jul 14 15:33:28 2007
From: enginehead1000 at yahoo.com.au (david kaye)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:33:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] sundial "A" engine info, manuals, etc
Message-ID: <176110.88692.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

G'day all
 
i just wanted to say a big thank you to all the people how helped me out with photo and link the web page that could help me.
 
so thank you very much to all.
 
kind regards david


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From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 14 15:50:02 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:50:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] find a club
In-Reply-To: <17648.29348.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003501c7c669$50be6830$6701a8c0@PaulNew>

Thanks Alan
I had looked here, but had not done the entire state, more showed up, a
couple with in an hour drive
Paul Waugh - IN

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 6:20 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] find a club

Paul,,,,,,,,,,
Just where in Indiana are you?
Get a Show Directory.  There are only 20 pages of Indiana shows listed.
That's about 50 shows.

OR, Just go here, register and take a look.

http://www.farmcollectorshowdirectory.com/

IHTH
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

Paul <pwaugh at mchsi.com> wrote: I am looking for a list of engine clubs, I
would like to find one not too
far from me.  Anyone kwon a link to such a list??

 

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Jul 14 16:19:03 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:19:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <003f01c7c666$b6f34ab0$e8046c3a@fred>
References: <000a01c7c5f4$452e68f0$e8046c3a@fred>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070714235006.01a30390@ncable.com.au>
	<003f01c7c666$b6f34ab0$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070715091430.01a35b88@ncable.com.au>

Fair call I guess. Although Pitts dont grow oon trees anymore. I 
decided a year or two ago to do a similar thing but that for for the 
next level of engine below what you have been selling. A good way to 
dreate some more room. I went from about 60 engines back to 22. 
Although some of the newies seem to be a little on the big side :-)
Russell


>Hi Russell,
>We sold the Pitt, have decided to reduce quantity and go for quality, we
>were filling the shed with too many common engs.that were just taking up
>space, all that were sold can be replaced but as rarer ones come available
>we will start buying again,David will be moving house and there will be a
>new shed and I will get my garage back so we are still looking for more.
>Regards.
>Brian and David Watts
>Melbourne
>
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russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jul 15 16:05:38 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:05:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
Message-ID: <000a01c7c734$a9ae2ea0$e8046c3a@fred>

Hi, 
Can anyone help with the age of our latest engine, 4 HP. Hopper cooled Famous No. SC 4285. E. 
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au



From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 15 16:16:28 2007
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:16:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7c734$a9ae2ea0$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F2741C6DECABD999B838110BAFF0@phx.gbl>


Hi Brian, your engine is 1913,cheers Dave

>From: "Brian Watts" <briwatt at optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:05:38 +1000
>
>Hi,
>Can anyone help with the age of our latest engine, 4 HP. Hopper cooled 
>Famous No. SC 4285. E.
>Brian and David Watts
>Melbourne
>Australia
>(03) 97266147
>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jul 15 16:22:43 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:22:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
References: <000a01c7c734$a9ae2ea0$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <001501c7c737$0d61f240$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Brian

My records show SC3616 - SC4965 as 1913. 4hp Famous Horizontal Hopper 
Cooled.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



> Hi,
> Can anyone help with the age of our latest engine, 4 HP. Hopper cooled 
> Famous No. SC 4285. E.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Jul 15 16:23:47 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:23:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
Message-ID: <380-220077015232347734@coastalnet.com>

1913

Go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/
for IHC numbers.

Take care,

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Watts <briwatt at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 7/16/2007 3:05:43 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
>
> Hi, 
> Can anyone help with the age of our latest engine, 4 HP. Hopper cooled
Famous No. SC 4285. E. 
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne 
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au




From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jul 15 18:05:11 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:05:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
References: <380-220077015232347734@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <002401c7c745$5ce857b0$e8046c3a@fred>

Thank you for the engine No. replys,great service,quick replys
Thanks guys
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous Age?


> 1913
>
> Go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/
> for IHC numbers.
>
> Take care,
>
> Ken
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Brian Watts <briwatt at optusnet.com.au>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: 7/16/2007 3:05:43 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
>>
>> Hi,
>> Can anyone help with the age of our latest engine, 4 HP. Hopper cooled
> Famous No. SC 4285. E.
>> Brian and David Watts
>> Melbourne
>> Australia
>> (03) 97266147
>> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Jul 17 14:57:20 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:57:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>

Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are 
you all still alive?
Russell
Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 17 15:28:13 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:28:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <000301c7c8c1$c404f110$0601a8c0@altech>

Yes Russell
We are out in our sheds working on engines !!!!!
You will get square eyes in front of that computer ;-)))
Peter, Oz



> Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are 
> you all still alive?
> Russell
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Jul 17 15:34:12 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:34:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <469D43E4.5000406@scrtc.com>

Yup.  Just quiet I guess.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Russell Gilbert wrote:

>Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are 
>you all still alive?
>Russell
>Russell Gilbert
>Sunny Sunraysia
>russell at ncable.com.au
>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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>
>
>  
>


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jul 17 15:54:41 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:54:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
Message-ID: <c45.1a2f9476.33cea2b1@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/17/2007 6:03:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
russell at ncable.com.au writes:

Are you all still alive?
 
Got up this morning breathing and name not in the paper.  Great feeling!

 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jul 17 15:57:56 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:57:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
Message-ID: <20070717.155757.1384.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

I'm still here.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:57:20 +1000 Russell Gilbert
<russell at ncable.com.au> writes:
> Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are 
> 
> you all still alive?
> Russell
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>


From shop at cccomm.net  Tue Jul 17 16:27:56 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:27:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engines that will be offered for sale
References: <468BEACF.6030707@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c7c8ca$1b1f65e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

I know I ain't supposed to do this but seem things are so quiet I thought 
some may be interested in this.

This is upsetting, thought I should pass it along.
Check your drivers license. Now you can see anyone's Driver's License on the 
Internet, including your own!

I just searched for mine and there it was...picture and all!
Thanks  Homeland Security! Privacy, where Is our right to it?

 I removed mine, I suggest you all do the same...... Go to the website and
check it out. Just enter your name, City and State to see if yours is on 
file.

After your license comes on the screen, click the box marked  Please Remove.
This will remove it from public viewing, but not from law enforcement.

 click the link below.

  http://www.license.shorturl.com/




 




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 17 16:38:58 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:38:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engines that will be offered for sale
References: <468BEACF.6030707@scrtc.com>
	<007e01c7c8ca$1b1f65e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <004201c7c8cb$a6355da0$0601a8c0@altech>

Just because it is quite, I am not falling for that old joke.
Peter, oz





>I know I ain't supposed to do this but seem things are so quiet I thought
> some may be interested in this.
>
> This is upsetting, thought I should pass it along.
> Check your drivers license. Now you can see anyone's Driver's License on 
> the
> Internet, including your own!
>
> I just searched for mine and there it was...picture and all!
> Thanks  Homeland Security! Privacy, where Is our right to it?
>
> I removed mine, I suggest you all do the same...... Go to the website and
> check it out. Just enter your name, City and State to see if yours is on
> file.
>
> After your license comes on the screen, click the box marked  Please 
> Remove.
> This will remove it from public viewing, but not from law enforcement.
>
> click the link below.
>
>  http://www.license.shorturl.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Jul 17 17:18:56 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:18:56 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Engines that will be offered for sale
Message-ID: <d33.11b9a749.33ceb670@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/17/2007 4:33:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
shop at cccomm.net writes:

After  your license comes on the screen, click the box marked  Please  Remove.
This will remove it from public viewing, but not from law  enforcement.


Why remove it?  It is a exact picture of me.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca




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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jul 17 20:21:58 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:21:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <EB8BED5B-DD3D-440B-A470-3BB79EC70336@alltel.net>

No, I died day before yesterday!
	Dave
On Jul 17, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are
> you all still alive?
> Russell


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 17 20:25:22 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:25:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
	<EB8BED5B-DD3D-440B-A470-3BB79EC70336@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000701c7c8eb$46536a10$0601a8c0@altech>

That's why it is quiet, they are all at your funeral/wake ;-)))
Peter


> No, I died day before yesterday!
> Dave
> On Jul 17, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> 
>> Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are
>> you all still alive?
>> Russell
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Tue Jul 17 20:59:33 2007
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:59:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001d01c7c8f0$0d1d78d0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Hi All

Just signed back in after 4 months in the top end of Oz.  Have quite a few
photos of interest which I will post shortly or maybe a little longer.

Ron
Canberra





From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Jul 17 22:31:15 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:31:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <000301c7c8c1$c404f110$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
	<000301c7c8c1$c404f110$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718153014.01b65140@ncable.com.au>

Toooo Blooooody cold to work in the shed, bring on some warm weather 
again. Hey Dave I wonder if you will me missed!

At 08:28 AM 18/07/2007, you wrote:
>Yes Russell
>We are out in our sheds working on engines !!!!!
>You will get square eyes in front of that computer ;-)))
>Peter, Oz
>
>
>
> > Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are
> > you all still alive?
> > Russell
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From gibsongus at myway.com  Tue Jul 17 21:07:48 2007
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:07:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
Message-ID: <20070718040748.69A636765F@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Sorry to hear about David R passing on but I'm still here....-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Tue 07/17, &lt; rdhaskell at juno.com &gt; wrote:
From: [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:57:56 -0700Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!I'm still here.Ron Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside, CaliforniaUSAhttp://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&amp;f=0On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:57:20 +1000 Russell Gilbertwrites:&gt; Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are &gt; &gt; you all still alive?&gt; Russell&gt; Russell Gilbert&gt; Sunny Sunraysia&gt; russell at ncable.com.au&gt; http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics&gt;_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jul 18 03:43:46 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:43:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Tomm books on ebay
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718204005.01b6b0e8@ncable.com.au>

Have any of you guys followed the TOMM mags just finished on Aussie 
ebay?? 3 auctions; for the years subscriptions of 87,88 and 89 yearly 
issues of the TOMM, Gee exspensive reading I tell you. Basically 
$50.00 Aussie per copy? Nearly a better investment than the engines in them!
Russell
Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jul 18 04:55:24 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:55:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] A day at the sale
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718213905.01b6d518@ncable.com.au>

Just to get some engine talk going. Rumor had it I went to Qld just 
to go for an engine sale. Well thats a load of rubbish and could not 
be more far from the truth !!! What actually happened is that I took 
my family to Qld for a week of R & R and low and behold there just so 
happened to be a sale just up the road from me while we were there. 
So I gave the wife a few bob to go shopping (which is just no fun 
when I go) and so they could have a relaxing day I had to find myself 
something else to do!   So I dragged myself out of bed way before 
daylight, sneaked out of the house and went to the Dayboro engine sale :-o

I wish I had bigger pockets as there was some really nice stuff for 
sale. Prices were very reasonable I must say. I met up with some 
mates from down south (some from the SEL) and met some other engine 
folks of names I have heard spoken about. Bought a couple of roughy 
engines; spent the rest of the day with Tim Macaire from the Anson 
Museum (who also bought a rusty old engine) before we both went to 
John Rutherfords place (Tangye restorer from the TOMM) for more 
engine fun. Burnt up 1/2 a litre of Jet A1 in his little jet engine 
he has made. What a great toy. Ran out out of juice in about 3 
minutes!  Also had a play in the big shed seeing and starting the new 
Tangye from the last TOMM. Very nice resto once again and a must see 
from anyone going to the National.

So there you go; if you want to see the couple of engines I bought I 
just put them up on my webshots in "MY Shed" pics. They are the first 
two you see.
regards Russell

PS: got home just after dark to share a nice cold beer with the wife 
who only beat me back buy about 20minutes. She had a good day also :-)


Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jul 18 06:08:40 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:08:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718153014.01b65140@ncable.com.au>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>	<000301c7c8c1$c404f110$0601a8c0@altech>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070718153014.01b65140@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <469E10D8.8090108@imc-group.com>

Aww, what it's down to, 26C (80F) ? :-)
Does it ever really get cold in Mildura? Have you ever had frost?
Curt

Russell Gilbert wrote:
> Toooo Blooooody cold to work in the shed, bring on some warm weather 
> again. Hey Dave I wonder if you will me missed!
>
> At 08:28 AM 18/07/2007, you wrote:
>   
>> Yes Russell
>> We are out in our sheds working on engines !!!!!
>> You will get square eyes in front of that computer ;-)))
>> Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>>>       



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 18 06:18:09 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:18:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Tomm books on ebay
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718204005.01b6b0e8@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001b01c7c93e$16222400$0601a8c0@altech>

I have copies before Lance & Elenore took over, issue 27+.
Peter



> Have any of you guys followed the TOMM mags just finished on Aussie
> ebay?? 3 auctions; for the years subscriptions of 87,88 and 89 yearly
> issues of the TOMM, Gee exspensive reading I tell you. Basically
> $50.00 Aussie per copy? Nearly a better investment than the engines in 
> them!
> Russell
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jul 18 08:46:30 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:46:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <469E10D8.8090108@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOPFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Russell & Curt:

I just GOTTA ask..........What is the cash crop in Mildura?  Mildew?

If so, do you folks have a Robigus Festival every spring?  You know, stuff like parades of mildew combines and balers and lots of booths giving away samples of products made of mildew.  Must be a place where everyone wears blue (and green and white) suede shoes.

In Roman mythology, Robigus ("wheat rust" or "mildew") was a fertility god who protected crops against diseases. He was worshipped alongside his sister Robigo for over 1700 years. His festival was the Robigalia on April 25. Worshipers would make offerings that were coloured red, such as red wine or the sacrifice of red dogs, as this is the colour of wheat rust.

I can go with the red wine part (offered to ME!) but will gladly leave out the dog part.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Curt
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 08:09 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
> 
> 
> Aww, what it's down to, 26C (80F) ? :-)
> Does it ever really get cold in Mildura? Have you 
> ever had frost?
> Curt




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jul 18 07:39:02 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:39:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <20070718040748.69A636765F@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20070718040748.69A636765F@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <98ADC800-C438-4CDB-9DAA-796029189CB8@rustyiron.com>

On Jul 17, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Gus wrote:
>  Sorry to hear about David R passing on but I'm still here...


Yeah Gus,
It certainly is a bummer about Dr. Dave's untimely demise.
But look on the bright side, it should be one hell of an auction!

Rob





From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 08:48:17 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:48:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <469E10D8.8090108@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <554375.96228.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Curt,

Go to http://www.weatherzone.com.au/
Part way down the page you can enter Mildura to get his local weather.
It is just 1 degree C below freezing as I see it.

Lower on that Mildura page I found the record weather info kinda funny.
Here is the lowest recorded temp for July.

           lowest on record -4.0?C on 21st 1982

Is their July supposed to be like our February ?

I would much rather spend winters down there than summers.

Alan Bowen





         
                   


Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote: Aww, what it's down to, 26C (80F) ? :-)
Does it ever really get cold in Mildura? Have you ever had frost?
Curt

Russell Gilbert wrote:
> Toooo Blooooody cold to work in the shed, bring on some warm weather again. Hey Dave I wonder if you will be missed!

       
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 18 10:20:56 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:20:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <554375.96228.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <554375.96228.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707181318480.13417@vegeta.city-net.com>

-4 C cold???  Bloody hell.  Buncha pansy-assed wusses!!
That's T-shirt & shorts weather in Pencilboneya!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:

> Go to http://www.weatherzone.com.au/
> Part way down the page you can enter Mildura to get his local weather.
> It is just 1 degree C below freezing as I see it.
>
> Lower on that Mildura page I found the record weather info kinda funny.
> Here is the lowest recorded temp for July.
>
>   lowest on record -4.0?C on 21st 1982




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jul 18 11:17:50 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:17:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
Message-ID: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>

Guys and gals,
This is kinda engine related.....at least it has an engine. :-)
Son Devin is a little over 14 now and in a couple of years will be 
driving. So we've been thinking about what kind of vehicle would be kewl 
for a kid to drive yet won't go too fast. Granddad had an old Willys 
Overland  Jeep wagon that I remember driving in the orange groves in 
Florida in years ago. So I've been sending Devin pictures of these 
wagons and somewhere in there he discovered the pickups. That was what 
he decided he wanted. I tried to explain to him that there wasn't much 
room in the cab of these pickups, and if he was carrying a saxophone and 
a book bag, there would be no room left for a passenger. But I didn't 
convince him......
So I decided I needed to find both a pickup and a wagon for him to sit 
in. Got lucky and found both not too far away and last Saturday the 
family went to check them out. Devin sat in the truck for about 2 
minutes and concluded that it didn't fit him. (Can't move the seat 
back!) He immediately changed his sites to the wagon and fell head over 
heals for it. So yesterday we took the truck and trailer and picked the 
wagon up. Missy was busy on the camera and took these photos as we 
loaded and unloaded.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Willys%20Overland/Thumbnails.html>

So we've got a project that will take us a couple of years to complete. 
As you can imagine Devin is pretty excited and ready to get started. 
Hopefully with all the sweat equity he puts in it, he will take good 
care of it.
Hope you enjoy. If anyone knows a source of parts for these please let 
me know.....especially sheet metal patch panels.
Curt




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Jul 18 12:26:46 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:26:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Jeep
Message-ID: <20070718192650.80A819E7C5E@mx-in01.iad.mail-abuse.org>

Hi, Curt, the Jeep wagon is OK but who manufactured that great trailer?
Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca.

 

Jim O'Hagan

 




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 18 13:38:04 2007
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:38:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RIP Evil Dave... was anyone allive?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1184774402.32333.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-F3274C773A92DD87B07C8D3C7FA0@phx.gbl>


>On Jul 17, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Gus wrote:
> >  Sorry to hear about David R passing on but I'm still here...
>
>
>Yeah Gus,
>It certainly is a bummer about Dr. Dave's untimely demise.
>But look on the bright side, it should be one hell of an auction!
>
>Rob
Naw, probably 95% Maytag stuff.

_________________________________________________________________
http://newlivehotmail.com



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 14:08:56 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:08:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures
Message-ID: <6f6025160707181408y47107b7exc8514525681000de@mail.gmail.com>

We got hold of a Nordberg folder this year with a lot of very high
quality black and white photographs and hand-typed descriptions,
dating from the late 1940's. The pictures cover Nordberg's facilities
and manufactured products during the War years and just after.

Unfortunately, the binder had what was in those days a lot of very
nice clear pockets for the pictures, but these has wrinkled badly with
age and had affected the pictures as well.

3 months under a pile of heavy books has taken the ripples out to the
point where we could scan the pictures and get them onto the website:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nordberg/Nordmenu.htm

The machine shop and parts store pictures are particularly
interesting, showing the large 2-stroke engine liners being made and
stored.

There are a few more to come, but the bulk of them are there.

We will also split the menu into four pages as we are going to put
thumbnail menus for all the Nordberg items.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul 18 15:27:41 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:27:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
References: <554375.96228.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707181318480.13417@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c7c98a$df285260$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Crap! 4 deg C and I am shivering.
BUT, we dont have heated workshops!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!


-4 C cold???  Bloody hell.  Buncha pansy-assed wusses!!
That's T-shirt & shorts weather in Pencilboneya!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:

> Go to http://www.weatherzone.com.au/
> Part way down the page you can enter Mildura to get his local weather.
> It is just 1 degree C below freezing as I see it.
>
> Lower on that Mildura page I found the record weather info kinda funny.
> Here is the lowest recorded temp for July.
>
>   lowest on record -4.0?C on 21st 1982


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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 18 15:36:35 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:36:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
References: <554375.96228.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0707181318480.13417@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<008e01c7c98a$df285260$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <005101c7c98c$19250750$0601a8c0@altech>

I do Reg, 5 deg C outside and 25 deg C inside my workshop, lovely.
Pete, Oz





Crap! 4 deg C and I am shivering.
BUT, we dont have heated workshops!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!


-4 C cold???  Bloody hell.  Buncha pansy-assed wusses!!
That's T-shirt & shorts weather in Pencilboneya!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:

> Go to http://www.weatherzone.com.au/
> Part way down the page you can enter Mildura to get his local weather.
> It is just 1 degree C below freezing as I see it.
>
> Lower on that Mildura page I found the record weather info kinda funny.
> Here is the lowest recorded temp for July.
>
>   lowest on record -4.0?C on 21st 1982


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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jul 18 15:57:24 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:57:24 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures
References: <6f6025160707181408y47107b7exc8514525681000de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b401c7c98f$02d5f0b0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures


> We got hold of a Nordberg folder this year with a lot of very high
> quality black and white photographs and hand-typed descriptions,
> dating from the late 1940's. The pictures cover Nordberg's facilities
> and manufactured products during the War years and just after.
> Unfortunately, the binder had what was in those days a lot of very
> nice clear pockets for the pictures, but these has wrinkled badly with
> age and had affected the pictures as well.
> 3 months under a pile of heavy books has taken the ripples out to the
> point where we could scan the pictures and get them onto the website:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nordberg/Nordmenu.htm
> The machine shop and parts store pictures are particularly
> interesting, showing the large 2-stroke engine liners being made and
> stored.
> There are a few more to come, but the bulk of them are there.
> We will also split the menu into four pages as we are going to put
> thumbnail menus for all the Nordberg items.
> Peter

Hi Peter,a very interesting folder that I didn't know anything about.
I googled it to see if any were on display anywhere & I was suprised
to see that your site reference was already being quoted as a site in
several places for information on the engine.
Fame comes quick these days. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 18 16:13:51 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:13:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] A day at the sale
Message-ID: <c5c.166f4415.33cff8af@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/18/2007 8:03:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
russell at ncable.com.au writes:

What actually happened is that I took 
my family to Qld for a week of R & R and low and behold there just so 
happened to be a sale just up the road from me while we were there. 

 
Geesh Russell, do you really think us Yanks are so naive to believe that BS?
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jul 18 16:19:00 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:19:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <469E10D8.8090108@imc-group.com>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
	<000301c7c8c1$c404f110$0601a8c0@altech>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070718153014.01b65140@ncable.com.au>
	<469E10D8.8090108@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719091558.01b73908@ncable.com.au>

Curt you will find it hard to beleive but Mildura is considered 
desert country so in Winter frost are very common. We don't get the 
realy low that you might, about minus 3 or maybe a rare minus 4 will 
be the wurst it gets. Had minus 1 yesterday and this morning. 
Currently zero at 9.15am. Way to cold for us when our optimum temp is 
a plesent 35 or so.

At 11:08 PM 18/07/2007, you wrote:
>Aww, what it's down to, 26C (80F) ? :-)
>Does it ever really get cold in Mildura? Have you ever had frost?
>Curt
>
>Russell Gilbert wrote:
> > Toooo Blooooody cold to work in the shed, bring on some warm weather
> > again. Hey Dave I wonder if you will me missed!
> >
> > At 08:28 AM 18/07/2007, you wrote:
> >
> >> Yes Russell
> >> We are out in our sheds working on engines !!!!!
> >> You will get square eyes in front of that computer ;-)))
> >> Peter, Oz
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jul 18 16:21:22 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:21:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOPFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <469E10D8.8090108@imc-group.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOPFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719092034.01b6de80@ncable.com.au>

Elden I don't understand the question!  what is "cash" ??
Russell

At 01:46 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
>Russell & Curt:
>
>I just GOTTA ask..........What is the cash crop in Mildura?  Mildew?
>
>If so, do you folks have a Robigus Festival every spring?  You know, 
>stuff like parades of mildew combines and balers and lots of booths 
>giving away samples of products made of mildew.  Must be a place 
>where everyone wears blue (and green and white) suede shoes.
>
>In Roman mythology, Robigus ("wheat rust" or "mildew") was a 
>fertility god who protected crops against diseases. He was 
>worshipped alongside his sister Robigo for over 1700 years. His 
>festival was the Robigalia on April 25. Worshipers would make 
>offerings that were coloured red, such as red wine or the sacrifice 
>of red dogs, as this is the colour of wheat rust.
>
>I can go with the red wine part (offered to ME!) but will gladly 
>leave out the dog part.
>
>Take care - Elden
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Curt
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 08:09 AM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
> >
> >
> > Aww, what it's down to, 26C (80F) ? :-)
> > Does it ever really get cold in Mildura? Have you
> > ever had frost?
> > Curt
>
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jul 18 16:24:09 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:24:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707181318480.13417@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <554375.96228.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707181318480.13417@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719092226.01b79ad8@ncable.com.au>

Arnie you must come over one day in Janurary and 
I'll take you cruzin in my Pontiac, stop by a 
watering hole is you find it hard to manage the 
pleasant 45 degrees. Curt and Missy survied it! 
Surely it would be something you could breeze through.
Russell

At 03:20 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
>-4 C cold???  Bloody hell.  Buncha pansy-assed wusses!!
>That's T-shirt & shorts weather in Pencilboneya!!  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
> > Go to http://www.weatherzone.com.au/
> > Part way down the page you can enter Mildura to get his local weather.
> > It is just 1 degree C below freezing as I see it.
> >
> > Lower on that Mildura page I found the record weather info kinda funny.
> > Here is the lowest recorded temp for July.
> >
> >   lowest on record -4.0?C on 21st 1982
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jul 18 18:26:03 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:26:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
In-Reply-To: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEPNFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Curt & Devin:

That looks like a nice straight Jeep!  I hope youall are gonna restore it and take off those ugly wheels!  Gonna keep the driveline stock?

Parts ought to be available from more than one source.  I think last time I looked at a JC Whitney catalog, they carried some Jeep stuff.

http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/StoreCatalogDisplay/c-10101/s-10101

Great find and Good luck!

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Curt
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 01:18 PM
> To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org); slick at toltbbs.com
> Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
> 
> 
> Guys and gals,
> This is kinda engine related.....at least it has 
> an engine. :-)
> Son Devin is a little over 14 now and in a couple 
> of years will be 
> driving. So we've been thinking about what kind 
> of vehicle would be kewl 
> for a kid to drive yet won't go too fast. 
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jul 18 18:34:55 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:34:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160707181408y47107b7exc8514525681000de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEPOFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Thanks for the pictures!  I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of 'em.

I kind of have a fascination with rather large old iron.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 04:09 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jul 18 18:44:08 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:44:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719092034.01b6de80@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEPOFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Russell:

Oh, yes - you guys are are from down under.  

Taking the chance that you're not kidding me........In this part of the upper side of the world, a cash crop is a crop that makes money for the farmer.  Could be just about anything.

I've been poking fun at your town name but you need to know where I'm coming from.  I was raised in a little town in Kentucky called Pewee Valley (yes - with three 'e's in Pewee).  I figure I've got the right to make fun of your town.    :-)

Hands across the sea and all that rot.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Russell
> Gilbert
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 06:21 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
> 
> 
> Elden I don't understand the question!  what is "cash" ??
> Russell
> 
> At 01:46 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
> >Russell & Curt:
> >
> >I just GOTTA ask..........What is the cash crop 
> in Mildura?  Mildew?




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 18 17:46:00 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:46:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEPOFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c7c99e$2ddad3c0$0601a8c0@altech>

Around here a cash crop is Marijuana ;-))

Peter, Oz




> Russell:
>
> Oh, yes - you guys are are from down under.
>
> Taking the chance that you're not kidding me........In this part of the 
> upper side of the world, a cash crop is a crop that makes money for the 
> farmer.  Could be just about anything.
>
> I've been poking fun at your town name but you need to know where I'm 
> coming from.  I was raised in a little town in Kentucky called Pewee 
> Valley (yes - with three 'e's in Pewee).  I figure I've got the right to 
> make fun of your town.    :-)
>
> Hands across the sea and all that rot.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Russell
>> Gilbert
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 06:21 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
>>
>>
>> Elden I don't understand the question!  what is "cash" ??
>> Russell
>>
>> At 01:46 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
>> >Russell & Curt:
>> >
>> >I just GOTTA ask..........What is the cash crop
>> in Mildura?  Mildew?
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jul 18 19:05:12 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:05:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <001f01c7c99e$2ddad3c0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEPPFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Cool, dude!

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 07:46 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
> 
> 
> Around here a cash crop is Marijuana ;-))
> 
> Peter, Oz




From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jul 18 18:16:25 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:16:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEPOFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719092034.01b6de80@ncable.com.au>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEPOFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719110513.01b82ff8@ncable.com.au>

Elden don't worry I have a good sense of humor. Also know all about 
cash crops. Mildura was built on them ???? Was close to the grass 
growing capital on Oz once.

mmmmm ............... "Pewee"  ....... hehehe
I wont go there.
cheers, Russell



At 11:44 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
>Russell:
>
>Oh, yes - you guys are are from down under.
>
>Taking the chance that you're not kidding me........In this part of 
>the upper side of the world, a cash crop is a crop that makes money 
>for the farmer.  Could be just about anything.
>
>I've been poking fun at your town name but you need to know where 
>I'm coming from.  I was raised in a little town in Kentucky called 
>Pewee Valley (yes - with three 'e's in Pewee).  I figure I've got 
>the right to make fun of your town.    :-)
>
>Hands across the sea and all that rot.
>
>Take care - Elden
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Russell
> > Gilbert
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 06:21 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
> >
> >
> > Elden I don't understand the question!  what is "cash" ??
> > Russell
> >
> > At 01:46 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
> > >Russell & Curt:
> > >
> > >I just GOTTA ask..........What is the cash crop
> > in Mildura?  Mildew?
>
>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 18 12:53:49 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:53:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
Message-ID: <20070718.224908.860.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Nice Jeep Curt,
 
I'm amazed at the little amount of rust I see - 
and - A seat with no holes in it.
Especially on a vehicle that's 46 years old !

What a neat car !!!
 
Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " How is it possible for Americans to denounce
  (_o_)                Communism and practice it simultaneously?"


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 20:03:06 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:03:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
In-Reply-To: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <925095.85930.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Very cool truck there.
Thank for the pix.
I am willing to bet you will do better by that one than my step-father did with the 1942-43 Willy's panel truck that he bought in 1965.
He pulled the engine and rebuilt it then put it back in the truck.
I thought all was well when it started and ran so nice around the yard.
BUT,,, here is where things went bad,,,
The old geezer wanted a pickup.
He started cutting that body up and just about the time it began looking like a pickup he found a great deal on a 1962 Chevy C 100  and left the Willy's sitting then unfinished for a year then scrapped it out.  He cut that body up into pieces and hauled the pieces away in the Chevy.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote: Guys and gals,
This is kinda engine related.....at least it has an engine. :-)
Son Devin is a little over 14 now and in a couple of years will be 
driving. So we've been thinking about what kind of vehicle would be kewl 
for a kid to drive yet won't go too fast. Granddad had an old Willys 
Overland  Jeep wagon that I remember driving in the orange groves in 
Florida in years ago. So I've been sending Devin pictures of these 
wagons and somewhere in there he discovered the pickups. That was what 
he decided he wanted. I tried to explain to him that there wasn't much 
room in the cab of these pickups, and if he was carrying a saxophone and 
a book bag, there would be no room left for a passenger. But I didn't 
convince him......
So I decided I needed to find both a pickup and a wagon for him to sit 
in. Got lucky and found both not too far away and last Saturday the 
family went to check them out. Devin sat in the truck for about 2 
minutes and concluded that it didn't fit him. (Can't move the seat 
back!) He immediately changed his sites to the wagon and fell head over 
heals for it. So yesterday we took the truck and trailer and picked the 
wagon up. Missy was busy on the camera and took these photos as we 
loaded and unloaded.


So we've got a project that will take us a couple of years to complete. 
As you can imagine Devin is pretty excited and ready to get started. 
Hopefully with all the sweat equity he puts in it, he will take good 
care of it.
Hope you enjoy. If anyone knows a source of parts for these please let 
me know.....especially sheet metal patch panels.
Curt


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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 18 23:03:49 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:03:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help to identify from UK members
Message-ID: <004701c7c9ca$937df230$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all
I have an email from someone called Lana Jones who say they work for "shine 
express shipping company" here in united kingdom.
Is there such a company or am I being scammed.

They report to have I think an igntior for my vertical engine or a whole 
engine, I am waiting for photos.


Peter, Oz 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 18 23:12:57 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:12:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help to identify from UK members
Message-ID: <005a01c7c9cb$da039380$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

 I found this http://www.shine-usa.com/shineexpresseurope.html

I will find out from the photos they send to see if I am on the right track 
and then might solicit Peter Forbes, Jim & Helen, Nev Beaty or Dave Croft, 
who ever is geographically closest to make contact with this person.
That is if you guys do not mind, I pay expenses.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 03:46:12 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:46:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures
In-Reply-To: <00b401c7c98f$02d5f0b0$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <6f6025160707181408y47107b7exc8514525681000de@mail.gmail.com>
	<00b401c7c98f$02d5f0b0$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707190346n2a5e7ee6jcb35be6b1b141b6c@mail.gmail.com>

On 18/07/07, Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter,a very interesting folder that I didn't know anything about.
> I googled it to see if any were on display anywhere & I was suprised
> to see that your site reference was already being quoted as a site in
> several places for information on the engine.
> Fame comes quick these days. 8^)
> Dave Croft

Since Nordberg stopped making engines after a buy-out in the 1970's,
there has not been a lot of information anywhere on the web. I don't
know why this should be as they owned Busch-Sulzer as well as their
own brand of engines, and they were a very large company in USA terms.

We have put together what material we have and what we have managed to
get on ebay and other sources over the years.

The large TSG19 engine in Bryan, OH is one we should be visiting
before Portland this year.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 06:14:01 2007
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:14:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
Message-ID: <07ad01c7ca06$af4b9850$e869c240@OFFICELEW>

Hey guys
 
Been seeing the stuff on the news bout the steam pipe rupture in NYC;
got a curiosity.
 
I recall seeing steam coming up from grids, etc. in Chicago & NYC when
we visited there when I was a little kid.  Here in the south one never
sees that AFAIK unless it's maybe in bigger cities (Dallas, etc.) than
here.  Down here there are no steam lines buried under the streets I
don't think.  According to the news they said steam pipe leaks happen up
there fairly often; just not "big bangs" like this one.  
 
My curiosity is what is this steam for?  Where is it produced?  They
said this pipe dated back to 1924.
 
Lew Best near Waco, TX
 

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 19 07:23:16 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:23:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719110513.01b82ff8@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEAGFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Russell:

You wouldn't be the first.........Others have been there many times before.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Russell
> Gilbert
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 08:16 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
> 
> 
> Elden don't worry I have a good sense of humor. 
> Also know all about 
> cash crops. Mildura was built on them ???? Was 
> close to the grass 
> growing capital on Oz once.
> 
> mmmmm ............... "Pewee"  ....... hehehe
> I wont go there.
> cheers, Russell




From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 19 07:55:21 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:55:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
In-Reply-To: <07ad01c7ca06$af4b9850$e869c240@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEAIFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Lew:

Years ago, companies set-up central boiler plants to supply steam to buildings in the center city areas.  The steam was used for heat, both air and water.  I know that in Louisville, KY, there was still such a system operating as of a few years ago.

I guess that these systems are still in use because of the prohibitive cost of retrofitting modern systems into old buildings.  It'd be interesting to know if there are any new buildings being built that use central steam plants.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Lew Best
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 08:14 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
> 
................................snip..........

> My curiosity is what is this steam for?  Where is 
> it produced?  They
> said this pipe dated back to 1924.
>  
> Lew Best near Waco, TX




From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 07:00:24 2007
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:00:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEAIFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <07ca01c7ca0d$28338880$e869c240@OFFICELEW>

Thanks Elden

I hadn't even thought bout them in years!

Lew
 

-----Original Message-----


Years ago, companies set-up central boiler plants to supply steam to
buildings in the center city areas.  The steam was used for heat, both
air and water.  I know that in Louisville, KY, there was still such a
system operating as of a few years ago.

I guess that these systems are still in use because of the prohibitive
cost of retrofitting modern systems into old buildings.  It'd be
interesting to know if there are any new buildings being built that use
central steam plants.

Take care - Elden 



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From mullt at att.net  Thu Jul 19 07:25:28 2007
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:25:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
Message-ID: <071920071425.27342.469F7458000CAA8600006ACE21603760219B04049A03@att.net>

Most new hospitals have central steam plants. The steam has a number of uses in a hospital including heating of the building, domestic hot water, humidificaction, sterilization and a number of other uses. It can also provide cooling with absrobption chillers. Several of the older college campuses have central steam plants and when a new building is built, it is usually connected to the steam system.

St. Louis has a steam loop in the downtown area. Most of the new buildings are connected to the steam loop for heating, etc. There is a steam boiler plant in a building near the downtown area. I think it used to burn coal in the boilers  but uses natural gas now. At one time, they were looking a burning trash to generate steam but that turned out to not be economically feasible.

Tom in St. Louis

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>
> Lew:
> 
> Years ago, companies set-up central boiler plants to supply steam to buildings 
> in the center city areas.  The steam was used for heat, both air and water.  I 
> know that in Louisville, KY, there was still such a system operating as of a few 
> years ago.
> 
> I guess that these systems are still in use because of the prohibitive cost of 
> retrofitting modern systems into old buildings.  It'd be interesting to know if 
> there are any new buildings being built that use central steam plants.
> 
> Take care - Elden 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Lew Best
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 08:14 AM
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
> > 
> ................................snip..........
> 
> > My curiosity is what is this steam for?  Where is 
> > it produced?  They
> > said this pipe dated back to 1924.
> >  
> > Lew Best near Waco, TX
> 
> 
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 07:44:45 2007
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:44:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
In-Reply-To: <071920071425.27342.469F7458000CAA8600006ACE21603760219B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <07d101c7ca13$5a738ce0$e869c240@OFFICELEW>

Interesting!

Lew
 

-----Original Message-----
 
Most new hospitals have central steam plants. The steam has a number of
uses in a hospital including heating of the building, domestic hot
water, humidificaction, sterilization and a number of other uses. It can
also provide cooling with absrobption chillers. Several of the older
college campuses have central steam plants and when a new building is
built, it is usually connected to the steam system.

St. Louis has a steam loop in the downtown area. Most of the new
buildings are connected to the steam loop for heating, etc. There is a
steam boiler plant in a building near the downtown area. I think it used
to burn coal in the boilers  but uses natural gas now. At one time, they
were looking a burning trash to generate steam but that turned out to
not be economically feasible.

Tom in St. Louis



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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jul 19 08:00:18 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:00:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
Message-ID: <20070719.110049.860.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Lew,
Eldon has replyed to your question.

I think (think) there are still a few buildings in Downtown Pittsburgh
that use
a central boiler system for heat.  Although I've worked in construction
in Downtown
Pittsburgh and have used several underground tunnels that connect
different buildings, 
I've never seen the boiler plant that supplies this steam.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " How is it possible for Americans to denounce
  (_o_)                Communism and practice it simultaneously?"


From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jul 19 08:10:29 2007
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:40:29 +0930
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
References: <07ad01c7ca06$af4b9850$e869c240@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <001401c7ca16$f209faa0$df05af3a@chaos>

http://www.coned.com/history/steam.asp

Today, Con Edison operates the largest district steam system in the United 
States. The system contains 105 miles of mains and service pipes, providing 
steam for heating, hot water, and air conditioning to approximately 1,800 
customers in Manhattan.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lew Best" <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe


> Hey guys
>
> Been seeing the stuff on the news bout the steam pipe rupture in NYC;
> got a curiosity.
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jul 19 09:05:35 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:05:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
In-Reply-To: <071920071425.27342.469F7458000CAA8600006ACE21603760219B04049A03@att.net>
References: <071920071425.27342.469F7458000CAA8600006ACE21603760219B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707191203220.18571@vegeta.city-net.com>

Lew,

Pittsburgh also has a number of those steam thermal energy plants that
serve the downtown area.  Here's one I found...
http://www.nrgthermal.com/Centers/Pitts/index.htm

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 mullt at att.net wrote:

> Most new hospitals have central steam plants. The steam has a number of uses in a hospital including heating of the building, domestic hot water, humidificaction, sterilization and a number of other uses. It can also provide cooling with absrobption chillers. Several of the older college campuses have central steam plants and when a new building is built, it is usually connected to the steam system.
>
> St. Louis has a steam loop in the downtown area. Most of the new buildings are connected to the steam loop for heating, etc. There is a steam boiler plant in a building near the downtown area. I think it used to burn coal in the boilers  but uses natural gas now. At one time, they were looking a burning trash to generate steam but that turned out to not be economically feasible.
>
> Tom in St. Louis
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> >
> > Years ago, companies set-up central boiler plants to supply steam to buildings
> > in the center city areas.  The steam was used for heat, both air and water.  I
> > know that in Louisville, KY, there was still such a system operating as of a few
> > years ago.
> >
> > I guess that these systems are still in use because of the prohibitive cost of
> > retrofitting modern systems into old buildings.  It'd be interesting to know if
> > there are any new buildings being built that use central steam plants.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >  Behalf Of Lew Best
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 08:14 AM
> >
> > > My curiosity is what is this steam for?  Where is
> > > it produced?



From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Jul 19 11:26:34 2007
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:26:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
In-Reply-To: <071920071425.27342.469F7458000CAA8600006ACE21603760219B04049A03@att.net>
References: <071920071425.27342.469F7458000CAA8600006ACE21603760219B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c7ca32$58fe60f0$3464a8c0@Eagle>

	Bowling Green State University in Bowling Green, Ohio has a central
steam plant for the campus. It is used for heating in almost all buildings.
Also used for cooking in the dining halls. Steam humidity control is another
use. The campus is undermined with tunnels carrying steam lines, water,
electricity and communication wiring.


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of mullt at att.net
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:25 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe

Most new hospitals have central steam plants. The steam has a number of uses
in a hospital including heating of the building, domestic hot water,
humidificaction, sterilization and a number of other uses. It can also
provide cooling with absrobption chillers. Several of the older college
campuses have central steam plants and when a new building is built, it is
usually connected to the steam system.

St. Louis has a steam loop in the downtown area. Most of the new buildings
are connected to the steam loop for heating, etc. There is a steam boiler
plant in a building near the downtown area. I think it used to burn coal in
the boilers  but uses natural gas now. At one time, they were looking a
burning trash to generate steam but that turned out to not be economically
feasible.

Tom in St. Louis

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>
> Lew:
> 
> Years ago, companies set-up central boiler plants to supply steam to 
> buildings in the center city areas.  The steam was used for heat, both 
> air and water.  I know that in Louisville, KY, there was still such a 
> system operating as of a few years ago.
> 
> I guess that these systems are still in use because of the prohibitive 
> cost of retrofitting modern systems into old buildings.  It'd be 
> interesting to know if there are any new buildings being built that use
central steam plants.
> 
> Take care - Elden
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Lew Best
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 08:14 AM
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
> > 
> ................................snip..........
> 
> > My curiosity is what is this steam for?  Where is it produced?  They 
> > said this pipe dated back to 1924.
> >  
> > Lew Best near Waco, TX
> 
> 
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 11:39:27 2007
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:39:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
In-Reply-To: <000c01c7ca32$58fe60f0$3464a8c0@Eagle>
Message-ID: <082501c7ca34$2c64c460$e869c240@OFFICELEW>

THANKS EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This has been a real educational event for me!  Great!!  Had no idea
such as this existed.

Lew near Waco, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Willman
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:27 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe

	Bowling Green State University in Bowling Green, Ohio has a
central
steam plant for the campus. It is used for heating in almost all
buildings.
Also used for cooking in the dining halls. Steam humidity control is
another
use. The campus is undermined with tunnels carrying steam lines, water,
electricity and communication wiring.


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
mullt at att.net
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:25 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe

Most new hospitals have central steam plants. The steam has a number of
uses
in a hospital including heating of the building, domestic hot water,
humidificaction, sterilization and a number of other uses. It can also
provide cooling with absrobption chillers. Several of the older college
campuses have central steam plants and when a new building is built, it
is
usually connected to the steam system.

St. Louis has a steam loop in the downtown area. Most of the new
buildings
are connected to the steam loop for heating, etc. There is a steam
boiler
plant in a building near the downtown area. I think it used to burn coal
in
the boilers  but uses natural gas now. At one time, they were looking a
burning trash to generate steam but that turned out to not be
economically
feasible.

Tom in St. Louis

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>
> Lew:
> 
> Years ago, companies set-up central boiler plants to supply steam to 
> buildings in the center city areas.  The steam was used for heat, both

> air and water.  I know that in Louisville, KY, there was still such a 
> system operating as of a few years ago.
> 
> I guess that these systems are still in use because of the prohibitive

> cost of retrofitting modern systems into old buildings.  It'd be 
> interesting to know if there are any new buildings being built that
use
central steam plants.
> 
> Take care - Elden
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Lew Best
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 08:14 AM
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
> > 
> ................................snip..........
> 
> > My curiosity is what is this steam for?  Where is it produced?  They

> > said this pipe dated back to 1924.
> >  
> > Lew Best near Waco, TX
> 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 19 12:05:27 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:05:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
Message-ID: <071920071905.4296.469FB5F7000CB1B3000010C8219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Today I judged our local 4H fair kids with their small engine projects and had 
a 10yr old youngster bring a nicely restored briggs engine to display.  
Needless to say he received a blue ribbon and I recommended he take his engine 
to our Illinois state fair.  He was asking me for help in dating the engine so 
really could use your help.

Briggs Eng:  Model: 5s   Type:  700302 Ser: 1135296

thank you in advance.
Curt Andree


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Jul 19 12:40:43 2007
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:40:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Fuller and johnson
Message-ID: <008c01c7ca3c$b3fe8980$f087e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi All,
        Just starting to restore a Fuller and Johnson NB 2 hp dated at 1925 as dated by Verne Kindschi. According to the records this engine was supplied to Construction Machine Co Waterloo Iowa possibly in a concrete mixer. 
    I was wondering if anyone has a picture of a engine in a concrete mixer. 

thanks in advance,

    Craig in Scotland


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jul 19 12:40:58 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:40:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
Message-ID: <20070719.124059.1944.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

It looks like Feb of 1953 to me.
 http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#5S
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:05:27 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> Today I judged our local 4H fair kids with their small engine 
> projects and had 
> a 10yr old youngster bring a nicely restored briggs engine to 
> display.  
> Needless to say he received a blue ribbon and I recommended he take 
> his engine 
> to our Illinois state fair.  He was asking me for help in dating the 
> engine so 
> really could use your help.
> 
> Briggs Eng:  Model: 5s   Type:  700302 Ser: 1135296
> 
> thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 13:36:26 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:36:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
In-Reply-To: <20070719.124059.1944.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <572441.6305.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry, Ron, but make that March of 1953.

>From that site,  8>))

        1127641              is the last 5S built in February.
1138387 is the last 5S built in March.
His 1135296 would have been built in March.

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: It looks like Feb of 1953 to me.
 http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#5S
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:05:27 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> Today I judged our local 4H fair kids with their small engine 
> projects and had 
> a 10yr old youngster bring a nicely restored briggs engine to 
> display.  
> Needless to say he received a blue ribbon and I recommended he take 
> his engine 
> to our Illinois state fair.  He was asking me for help in dating the 
> engine so 
> really could use your help.
> 
> Briggs Eng:  Model: 5s   Type:  700302 Ser: 1135296
> 
> thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jul 19 15:42:58 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:42:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Scam email engine related
References: <443421.41860.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<008201c7ca53$2f31fd10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <003101c7ca56$27e648b0$0601a8c0@altech>

OK guys, attention all of you.

I received this in my email and now others have too, looks like one of those poor English spelling scams,
Stay away like the plague.
Message is below.

Regards
Peter Lowe, Oz

  
Hello

I am lana jones, a Canadian citizen...i work as a senior manager in shine express shipping company here in united kingdom.. i saw your mail you are in need of the above subject stated,i just want to used this little words of mine to let you know that i have it for sale,and still in a good condition, if you need some pics of the item i can send them to you once i heard from you so we can bargain price, please i only need a serious buyer and i do accept check payment ,international money order and western union money transfer where i will have my money in my possession before i will ship the item to you so get back to me with your address were you want to ship it to........i do used shinexpressshipairfreight for shipping abroad so i can go to thier office once i got the address where you will be shipping to so i can give you my least price this is my number you feel free to contact me +447024039098 i will be expecting your call all write me back so we can discuss thanks 


     




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jul 19 15:49:12 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:49:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Scam from my web site
Message-ID: <005901c7ca57$072f14c0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

Looks like this scam I just mentioned, has come from my web site where I 
have various R&V register members placing adverts for parts needed.
Bastards never stop do they !!!!

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul 19 16:08:26 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:08:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Fuller and johnson
References: <008c01c7ca3c$b3fe8980$f087e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <000b01c7ca59$b8239bf0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Fuller and johnson


> Hi All,
>        Just starting to restore a Fuller and Johnson NB 2 hp dated at 1925 as dated by Verne Kindschi. According to the records 
> this engine was supplied to Construction Machine Co Waterloo Iowa possibly in a concrete mixer.
>    I was wondering if anyone has a picture of a engine in a concrete mixer.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
>    Craig in Scotland

Hi Craig. The F & J NB2 I found over here had the brass label
cut in half so you couldn't see the name. I think it came off a mixer.
When Vern supplied me with a plate it was the same at the bottom
as the cut plate.
Mine came in a terrible state. see
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1026047768028520097jfxOHVlcxH
then the next picture.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Thu Jul 19 17:59:23 2007
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:59:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
In-Reply-To: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>
References: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20070720005040.204F0320015@relay1.nomadix.net>

Curt
Looks like a great father son project.  That John Deere AR or BR in 
the background would make another good project.

When I was in High school a buddy of mine had a pickup like what you 
showed.  He found a conversion kit for a  small block chevy and put 
one in his pickup.

Keith



At 01:17 PM 7/18/2007, you wrote:
>Guys and gals,
>This is kinda engine related.....at least it has an engine. :-)
>Son Devin is a little over 14 now and in a couple of years will be
>driving. So we've been thinking about what kind of vehicle would be kewl
>for a kid to drive yet won't go too fast. Granddad had an old Willys
>Overland  Jeep wagon that I remember driving in the orange groves in
>Florida in years ago. So I've been sending Devin pictures of these
>wagons and somewhere in there he discovered the pickups. That was what
>he decided he wanted. I tried to explain to him that there wasn't much
>room in the cab of these pickups, and if he was carrying a saxophone and
>a book bag, there would be no room left for a passenger. But I didn't
>convince him......
>So I decided I needed to find both a pickup and a wagon for him to sit
>in. Got lucky and found both not too far away and last Saturday the
>family went to check them out. Devin sat in the truck for about 2
>minutes and concluded that it didn't fit him. (Can't move the seat
>back!) He immediately changed his sites to the wagon and fell head over
>heals for it. So yesterday we took the truck and trailer and picked the
>wagon up. Missy was busy on the camera and took these photos as we
>loaded and unloaded.
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Willys%20Overland/Thumbnails.html>
>
>So we've got a project that will take us a couple of years to complete.
>As you can imagine Devin is pretty excited and ready to get started.
>Hopefully with all the sweat equity he puts in it, he will take good
>care of it.
>Hope you enjoy. If anyone knows a source of parts for these please let
>me know.....especially sheet metal patch panels.
>Curt
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 19 18:22:34 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 01:22:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
Message-ID: <072020070122.15281.46A00E59000EA5E700003BB1219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hey Alan how does one determine the date?  Is off the serial number its self 
or what.
Thanks alot and Ron too.
Curt


----------------------  Original Message:  ---------------------
From:    Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To:      The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
Date:    Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:44:31 +0000

> Sorry, Ron, but make that March of 1953.
> 
> >From that site,  8>))
> 
>         1127641              is the last 5S built in February.
> 1138387 is the last 5S built in March.
> His 1135296 would have been built in March.
> 
> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: It looks like Feb of 1953 to me.
>  http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#5S
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:05:27 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> > Today I judged our local 4H fair kids with their small engine 
> > projects and had 
> > a 10yr old youngster bring a nicely restored briggs engine to 
> > display.  
> > Needless to say he received a blue ribbon and I recommended he take 
> > his engine 
> > to our Illinois state fair.  He was asking me for help in dating the 
> > engine so 
> > really could use your help.
> > 
> > Briggs Eng:  Model: 5s   Type:  700302 Ser: 1135296
> > 
> > thank you in advance.
> > Curt Andree
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 18:32:53 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:32:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
In-Reply-To: <072020070122.15281.46A00E59000EA5E700003BB1219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <807551.26361.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey back atcha, Curt,

Look at what I wrote,,,
Yes, I was using the serial number.
Then hit the link that Ron posted.m There is the dating list.
Scroll down to the section on the 5S and for each month they show the serial number of the last engine made that month.

IHTH
Alan Bowen

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: Hey Alan how does one determine the date?  Is off the serial number its self 
or what.
Thanks alot and Ron too.
Curt


----------------------  Original Message:  ---------------------
From:    Alan Bowen 
To:      The SEL email discussion list 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
Date:    Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:44:31 +0000

> Sorry, Ron, but make that March of 1953.
> 
> >From that site,  8>))
> 
>         1127641              is the last 5S built in February.
> 1138387 is the last 5S built in March.
> His 1135296 would have been built in March.
> 
> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: It looks like Feb of 1953 to me.
>  http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#5S
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:05:27 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> > Today I judged our local 4H fair kids with their small engine 
> > projects and had 
> > a 10yr old youngster bring a nicely restored briggs engine to 
> > display.  
> > Needless to say he received a blue ribbon and I recommended he take 
> > his engine 
> > to our Illinois state fair.  He was asking me for help in dating the 
> > engine so 
> > really could use your help.
> > 
> > Briggs Eng:  Model: 5s   Type:  700302 Ser: 1135296
> > 
> > thank you in advance.
> > Curt Andree

       
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 20 05:19:34 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:19:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Gas engine mag
Message-ID: <001301c7cac8$3bfa2e30$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

Does anyone have a copy of July 1994 Gas Engine Magazine, there is a book on eBay for sale that mentions R&V engines. If someone has a copy can they contact me off list and tell me what the article is about.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 20 06:14:57 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:14:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Gas engine mag
Message-ID: <004e01c7cacf$f86a8540$0601a8c0@altech>

Thanks to Ken & Reg for the scanned article.
I had the serial number with no owner, I now have an owner and an address, you guys are great.

Does anyone know Richard Miller of Reese, Michigan???

This all started buy trolling eBay for R&V articles.
I also just picked up another guy with 4 R&V engines from someone selling brass fittings, funny how things just turn up.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm





  Hi all

  Does anyone have a copy of July 1994 Gas Engine Magazine, there is a book on eBay for sale that mentions R&V engines. If someone has a copy can they contact me off list and tell me what the article is about.

  Regards
  Peter Lowe
  R&V Engine Registrar
  Australia
  Ph: 61-266453455
  http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
  http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jul 20 19:50:49 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:50:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant
Message-ID: <20070720.195049.1972.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
Has anyone heard from Charlie Bryant in Maine lately.  I sent him a line,
it didn't bounce but have not heard back for a few weeks.  Thanks
This is the address I was using:  mogul460 at localnet.com

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From bboyce at swat.coop  Fri Jul 20 21:47:21 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:47:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
In-Reply-To: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>
References: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <974EBD31F9B3449BB8552C7B17227293@billPC>

curt,,, i have an old jeep pickup, probably the same thing you're speaking 
of,, its somewhere around a 1952 or 53 model, not sure,,, but, i;ve gotten 
parts several times from Willys America,,, they have wagon parts also,,,, 
very nice people to deal with,,, and i;ve thought their prices were fair,,, 
" willysamerica.com" will get you there,,, and they have a nice catalogue 
too,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

>> So we've got a project that will take us a couple of years to complete.
> As you can imagine Devin is pretty excited and ready to get started.
> Hopefully with all the sweat equity he puts in it, he will take good
> care of it.
> Hope you enjoy. If anyone knows a source of parts for these please let
> me know.....especially sheet metal patch panels.
> Curt
>
>
> 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul 21 00:31:41 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:31:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Bromps
Message-ID: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hi all. I have just been clearing some of the dead indians in my puter.
I came across the Bromp files.
Do any of you know what became of him?
I, and others, never got any satisfaction or money returned.
I did finish the project by making my own bits, so I am no longer affected 
by his dishonesty but,
It would be nice to know he has suffered in some way.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jul 21 01:35:23 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:35:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New international member to R&V register
Message-ID: <000d01c7cb72$1600cd10$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

This week I had a chap from Japan register a 8hp R&V Triumph Line engine 
with me.
His English is limited to reasonable but using Google Translator I can 
convert the Japanese quite well.
Their web site is here:
http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyounoyu.html
There is a lot of video and hundreds of photos so I guess those on Broadband 
would enjoy it better. Good site for a rainy day.
This chap has a nice Reid, Bessemer, National, Superior and R&V as well as 
Jeeps and other stuff. You will also notice looks of little red fuel tins 
next to their engines, some open with lids off and sucking fuel from the 
open top tank.!!

It just goes to show how the Internet can bring different nationalities 
together like we were just next door.

I also have a chap in Argentina I communicate with, he speaks Spanish, I use 
Google Translator to convert Spanish to English, I then reply in English and 
convert to Spanish and it works great.
http://translate.google.com/translate_t

Anyhow enjoy the photos and trying to navigate the Japanese, a lot of smokey 
engines, Evil Dave would love them only they are 4 strokes !!!.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 21 07:10:15 2007
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:10:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Japan
In-Reply-To: <000d01c7cb72$1600cd10$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <488839.98402.qm@web59203.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

TO:  SEL Lads ( & Lasses)
FROM;  YOUR man in Japan, Bill Young
   
  The Japanese chap you mention is a good friend of mine.  He has visited me several times.
  His English is about equal to my Japanese, both approaching zero.  I told him to forget the translator, send to me in Japanese and I will get some one to help.
    Safety measures in Japan also approach zero.  At rallies, ( no roped off area) kids go tearing around running engines.  Smoking and gassing up go together as does apple pie and ice cream.  The old geezers come along and start tweaking the carb and governor.  The toothless guy will tell you that he lost his teeth many years ago when the crank handle slipped off and kissed him in the kisser.  The guy with half of one arm missing has a different tale to tell, but only slightly. 
    Don't worry about those kids.  If there is an accident and blood gets on your engine, the parents will soon be around to apologize.
    Peter, gotta differ with you a bit.  If you saw any engines with a charcoal fire on top, they would be two stroke-cycle engines.  They were junk engines in their day, thrown away at first opportunity to get something better, therefore few survived.  Just a few years ago they could be had for about the equivalent of U.S.$2000.  Now, owners are refusing $6,000.  Bill
   
  OT replies:  wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp




From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Jul 21 08:04:56 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:04:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Good News from Border_Bob
In-Reply-To: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070721105959.02f65c20@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All,
  This will probably be the final update to the list on Border_Bob . "Bob & 
Sheila Bolhuis" <bolhuis at amtelecom.net>

Bob has been back to work now for a few weeks since his accident last 
August just before Portland Show.  Bob still is working to get his drivers 
license back but that should be done by the end of August. And on top of 
the good news of back to work, Bob has vacation left from last year that 
they are carrying over for him since he was not "able" to use it for no 
fault of his own.  So Bob will make his first engine show venture out to 
Findlay August 2-5th in a week and a  half.
I suppose this is fitting or ironic? that Findlay is his first show back as 
Findlay was the last show he attended before his accident last year.  It 
all seems to be coming full circle for him n Sheila and starting to get all 
righted again.
  Its rough to nearly loose a friend but it fantastic to get em back!.

                                             Thank You,    Maytag Mark



Mark & Christine Shulaw
Bluffton, Ohio
Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
Home #419.358.5206





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Jul 21 09:23:58 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:23:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Good News from Border_Bob
References: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070721105959.02f65c20@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c7cbb3$8a9e8ea0$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Tremendous good news!!!!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: [SEL] Good News from Border_Bob


> Hi All,
>  This will probably be the final update to the list on Border_Bob . "Bob &
> Sheila Bolhuis" <bolhuis at amtelecom.net>
>
> Bob has been back to work now for a few weeks since his accident last
> August just before Portland Show.  Bob still is working to get his drivers
> license back but that should be done by the end of August. And on top of
> the good news of back to work, Bob has vacation left from last year that
> they are carrying over for him since he was not "able" to use it for no
> fault of his own.  So Bob will make his first engine show venture out to
> Findlay August 2-5th in a week and a  half.
> I suppose this is fitting or ironic? that Findlay is his first show back 
> as
> Findlay was the last show he attended before his accident last year.  It
> all seems to be coming full circle for him n Sheila and starting to get 
> all
> righted again.
>  Its rough to nearly loose a friend but it fantastic to get em back!.
>
>                                             Thank You,    Maytag Mark
>
>
>
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> Bluffton, Ohio
> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
> Home #419.358.5206
>
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Jul 21 11:09:30 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:09:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bromps
In-Reply-To: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20070721180933.E8B79239462@mx-in02.iad.mail-abuse.org>

Hi Reg, What name did your "Buddy" Bromp operate under? Thanks in advance,
Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca.

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:32 AM
To: List SEL; oldengine list
Subject: [SEL] Bromps

Hi all. I have just been clearing some of the dead indians in my puter.
I came across the Bromp files.
Do any of you know what became of him?
I, and others, never got any satisfaction or money returned.
I did finish the project by making my own bits, so I am no longer affected 
by his dishonesty but,
It would be nice to know he has suffered in some way.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


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From rbodell at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 11:38:25 2007
From: rbodell at gmail.com (R. Bodell)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:38:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New member
Message-ID: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>

have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search past posts.
If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information, how do you
find information or do you just have to start the conversation over that may
have laready taken place dozens of times?

-- 

-----------------------------
With a little skill and ingenuity, I can screw up almost anything!
---------------------------------



From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jul 21 11:56:56 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:56:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New member
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002701c7cbc8$e9dbeab0$bbd84c0c@D48VHZ61>

As far as I know the archives have been down for a while. I just try to save 
anything of  possible importance and hope I don't forget I have it!

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R. Bodell" <rbodell at gmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:38 PM
Subject: [SEL] New member


> have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search past 
> posts.
> If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information, how do 
> you
> find information or do you just have to start the conversation over that 
> may
> have laready taken place dozens of times?
>
> -- 
>
> -----------------------------
> With a little skill and ingenuity, I can screw up almost anything!
> ---------------------------------
>
> 



From rbodell at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 12:46:19 2007
From: rbodell at gmail.com (R. Bodell)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:46:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New member
In-Reply-To: <002701c7cbc8$e9dbeab0$bbd84c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701c7cbc8$e9dbeab0$bbd84c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <58970c710707211246s27de6bcbk6572df3a9ac8fd8c@mail.gmail.com>

I was afraid of that, at least I won't be wasting my time.

On 7/21/07, John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> As far as I know the archives have been down for a while. I just try to
> save
> anything of  possible importance and hope I don't forget I have it!
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R. Bodell" <rbodell at gmail.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:38 PM
> Subject: [SEL] New member
>
>
> > have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search past
> > posts.
> > If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information, how do
> > you
> > find information or do you just have to start the conversation over that
> > may
> > have laready taken place dozens of times?
> >
> > --
> >
> > -----------------------------
> > With a little skill and ingenuity, I can screw up almost anything!
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



-- 

-----------------------------
With a little skill and ingenuity, I can screw up almost anything!
---------------------------------



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 13:30:51 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:30:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] New member
In-Reply-To: <58970c710707211246s27de6bcbk6572df3a9ac8fd8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701c7cbc8$e9dbeab0$bbd84c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<58970c710707211246s27de6bcbk6572df3a9ac8fd8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707211330m57516846s888e15431a1b1a2@mail.gmail.com>

On 21/07/07, R. Bodell <rbodell at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was afraid of that, at least I won't be wasting my time.

Because the lists are email-based, the digests were the only archived
format, and they were also sent out in email form once a week.

As far as I am aware, there is no public archive for the engine lists,
only what individuals keep on their PC's.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 13:32:48 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:32:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160707181408y47107b7exc8514525681000de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160707181408y47107b7exc8514525681000de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707211332t2d9f462fub8b24d65ae3d3f2f@mail.gmail.com>

On 18/07/07, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

> We will also split the menu into four pages as we are going to put
> thumbnail menus for all the Nordberg items.

That has been done now, all the Nordberg selections are thumbnail-based.

Just found another load of Nordberg information tucked away under my
desk which I will get scanned over the coming week.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul 21 17:06:34 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:06:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New member
In-Reply-To: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53ae5363c1f1451f8ddb7041bfcc17d1@chartertn.net>

Here you go:

http://www.stationary-engine.com/pipermail/sel/

The SEL Archives.

John

On Jul 21, 2007, at 2:38 PM, R. Bodell wrote:

> have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search past 
> posts.
> If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information, how 
> do you
> find information or do you just have to start the conversation over 
> that may
> have laready taken place dozens of times?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 21 19:37:48 2007
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:37:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
Message-ID: <002e01c7cc09$4b5aead0$6501a8c0@LapTop>

Hello list,

Anyone have a photo of a John  Deere "W" power unit? Approximate weight? 
Value?

Thanks,
Arthur



Arthur Southwell

Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.

asouth42 at embarqmail.com

http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
http://oldengine.org/members/southwell



From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Jul 21 20:01:48 2007
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:01:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
In-Reply-To: <002e01c7cc09$4b5aead0$6501a8c0@LapTop>
References: <002e01c7cc09$4b5aead0$6501a8c0@LapTop>
Message-ID: <001301c7cc0c$a5ecc560$640aa8c0@apluscomputer.local>

 http://www.tractorshed.com/contents/tpic12422.htm

Here's a picture I found and the page says they are 2200 pounds each.

Here's another link with a better picture

http://www.two-cylinder.com/sept04_pg2.htm

Hope that helps!

B?

Bill Brueck
   Chatfield, Minnesota, USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ArthurDeana
Southwell
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 9:38 PM
To: ATIS-SEL
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U

Hello list,

Anyone have a photo of a John  Deere "W" power unit? Approximate weight? 
Value?

Thanks,
Arthur



Arthur Southwell

Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.

asouth42 at embarqmail.com

http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
http://oldengine.org/members/southwell

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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul 21 20:03:00 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:03:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
Message-ID: <20070721.200301.1216.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Arthur.  
111 or 114?
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:37:48 -0400 "ArthurDeana Southwell"
<asouth42 at embarqmail.com> writes:
> Hello list,
> 
> Anyone have a photo of a John  Deere "W" power unit? Approximate 
> weight? 
> Value?
> 
> Thanks,
> Arthur
> 
> 
> 
> Arthur Southwell
> 
> Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.
> 
> asouth42 at embarqmail.com
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
> 
>


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul 21 20:13:04 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:13:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
Message-ID: <20070721.201305.1216.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Me again Arthur.  
The March-April issue of Two Cylinder features the W power units.  They
are 111 and 113, then the variations of cotton Gin engines and Pure Oil
models.  They list the 111 as weighing 2,115 lbs and the 113 at 1,973
with a 16" overdrive pulley.  Prices vary  as to year (early ones had the
spoke flywheel) and condition.  Something complete and running probably
$4,000 to 8,000.  
They were built from 1933 to 1952. 
I lost the drivers for my scanner so I can't send a picture.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:37:48 -0400 "ArthurDeana Southwell"
<asouth42 at embarqmail.com> writes:
> Hello list,
> 
> Anyone have a photo of a John  Deere "W" power unit? Approximate 
> weight? 
> Value?
> 
> Thanks,
> Arthur
> 
> 
> 
> Arthur Southwell
> 
> Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.
> 
> asouth42 at embarqmail.com
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
> 
> 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jul 21 21:43:23 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:43:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New member
In-Reply-To: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1185079403.46a2e06b481d8@webmail.city-net.com>

The link is on the list signup page.
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
http://www.stationary-engine.com/pipermail/sel/

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting "R. Bodell" <rbodell at gmail.com>:

> have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search past posts.
> If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information, how do you
> find information or do you just have to start the conversation over that may
> have laready taken place dozens of times?




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jul 21 21:45:16 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:45:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bromps
In-Reply-To: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <1185079516.46a2e0dc0c693@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Reg,

I heard that he sprained his thumb counting your money.  8->>>

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>:

> Hi all. I have just been clearing some of the dead indians in my puter.
> I came across the Bromp files.
> Do any of you know what became of him?
> I, and others, never got any satisfaction or money returned.
> I did finish the project by making my own bits, so I am no longer affected 
> by his dishonesty but,
> It would be nice to know he has suffered in some way.




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Jul 21 21:52:24 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:52:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bromps
In-Reply-To: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20070722045227.94AE64C3064@mx-in03.iad.mail-abuse.org>

Thanks Reg. I heard his name mentioned Last week. It will take a week or so
but I'll check back with the guy after his vacation and give you an update.
CYA Jimmy O'Hagan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:32 AM
To: List SEL; oldengine list
Subject: [SEL] Bromps

Hi all. I have just been clearing some of the dead indians in my puter.
I came across the Bromp files.
Do any of you know what became of him?
I, and others, never got any satisfaction or money returned.
I did finish the project by making my own bits, so I am no longer affected 
by his dishonesty but,
It would be nice to know he has suffered in some way.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


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From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Sat Jul 21 22:06:17 2007
From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 01:06:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bromps
In-Reply-To: <1185079516.46a2e0dc0c693@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070722005911.02d5af88@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>

At 12:45 AM 7/22/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>G'day Reg,
>
>I heard that he sprained his thumb counting your money.  8->>>
>
>See ya,  Arnie


Come-on Arnie, let Reg know the "rest of the story".  The part about Bromps 
lawyer and the HIGH dollar law suit against that bloke from OZ. Over the 
'pain and suffering' counting all that money caused.  ;-)

- Steve

Steve Sewell
Albany, Ohio USA
sewell at atis.net
sewell at ohio.edu


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jul 21 22:19:12 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:19:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New member
In-Reply-To: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F65BEBBA-3C96-454A-A308-12EBC2B5BB51@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 21, 2007, at 11:38 AM, R. Bodell wrote:

> have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search  
> past posts.
> If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information,  
> how do you
> find information or do you just have to start the conversation over  
> that may
> have laready taken place dozens of times?

We could always shoot for a dozen and one.
What's the question?

Rob







From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jul 22 05:32:20 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:32:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New member
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
	<53ae5363c1f1451f8ddb7041bfcc17d1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c7cc5c$5a12d670$9ed64c0c@D48VHZ61>

OK, someone please explain. When you try to get to the archives from the 
main ATIS page, they all come up blank. Where are these from and do any 
exist for the tractor lists (not just AT)?

Thanks,
John Hall



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New member


> Here you go:
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/pipermail/sel/
>
> The SEL Archives.
>
> John
>
> On Jul 21, 2007, at 2:38 PM, R. Bodell wrote:
>
>> have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search past
>> posts.
>> If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information, how
>> do you
>> find information or do you just have to start the conversation over
>> that may
>> have laready taken place dozens of times?
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
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> 




From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sat Jul 21 22:41:02 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent tamatea)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:41:02 +1200
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
In-Reply-To: <20070721.201305.1216.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOEECBCAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>

Ron to down load drivers for scanner just go to google type in your scanner
model and driver download and pick out a site to download new driver my
computer crashed after having it reformatted and i did just that for drivers
for the usb as wouldnt go same with any type of drivers hope that helps
saved me alot of mucking around brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:13 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U


Me again Arthur.
The March-April issue of Two Cylinder features the W power units.  They
are 111 and 113, then the variations of cotton Gin engines and Pure Oil
models.  They list the 111 as weighing 2,115 lbs and the 113 at 1,973
with a 16" overdrive pulley.  Prices vary  as to year (early ones had the
spoke flywheel) and condition.  Something complete and running probably
$4,000 to 8,000.
They were built from 1933 to 1952.
I lost the drivers for my scanner so I can't send a picture.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:37:48 -0400 "ArthurDeana Southwell"
<asouth42 at embarqmail.com> writes:
> Hello list,
>
> Anyone have a photo of a John  Deere "W" power unit? Approximate
> weight?
> Value?
>
> Thanks,
> Arthur
>
>
>
> Arthur Southwell
>
> Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.
>
> asouth42 at embarqmail.com
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
>
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul 22 09:45:40 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:45:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
Message-ID: <20070722.094540.2136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Brent.  I will give it a try.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:41:02 +1200 brent tamatea
<brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz> writes:
> Ron to down load drivers for scanner just go to google type in your 
> scanner
> model and driver download and pick out a site to download new driver 
> my
> computer crashed after having it reformatted and i did just that for 
> drivers
> for the usb as wouldnt go same with any type of drivers hope that 
> helps
> saved me alot of mucking around brent nz


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 12:13:02 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:13:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
In-Reply-To: <20070722.094540.2136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070722.094540.2136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707221213g1a183ebavd0ce69bab634ffc2@mail.gmail.com>

On 22/07/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Thanks Brent.  I will give it a try.
>
> Ron Haskell

Manufacturers are much better these days with supplying drivers for
their older machines.

The one bad company seems to be Soundblaster, who do not supply
drivers for their cards supplied as OEM through dealers for some
reason.

Epson, USRobotics, Sony, and many others all have a good
download/support section on their websites now, including manuals.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Jul 22 14:03:17 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:03:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160707221213g1a183ebavd0ce69bab634ffc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEECFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron & Peter:

If all else fails, you can try 

http://www.driverguide.com/

They have all kinds of drivers.  The site is free once you get past all the special offers, etc.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 02:13 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
> 
> 
> On 22/07/07, rdhaskell at juno.com 
> <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Brent.  I will give it a try.
> >
> > Ron Haskell
> 
> Manufacturers are much better these days with 
> supplying drivers for
> their older machines.
> 
> The one bad company seems to be Soundblaster, who 
> do not supply
> drivers for their cards supplied as OEM through 
> dealers for some
> reason.
> 
> Epson, USRobotics, Sony, and many others all have a good
> download/support section on their websites now, 
> including manuals.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> _______________________________________________
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 13:58:55 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:58:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEECFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <6f6025160707221213g1a183ebavd0ce69bab634ffc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEECFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707221358v389aac52j2a3f44251fcf0c45@mail.gmail.com>

On 22/07/07, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Ron & Peter:
>
> If all else fails, you can try
>
> http://www.driverguide.com/
>
> They have all kinds of drivers.  The site is free once you get past all the special offers, etc.
>
> Take care - Elden

A lot of those sites require registration, which is fair enough if
they are providing a free service, but I always seem to pick up a
'stray' bit of software when I visit those, so try and stay with the
makers where possible...

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul 22 22:03:41 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:03:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
Message-ID: <20070722.220342.1648.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Elden.  This site was a real pain, but I found it.  Thanks.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:03:17 -0500 "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
writes:
> Ron & Peter:
> 
> If all else fails, you can try 
> 
> http://www.driverguide.com/
> 
> They have all kinds of drivers.  The site is free once you get past 
> all the special offers, etc.
> 
> Take care - Elden 
> 


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 23 08:52:05 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:52:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
In-Reply-To: <002e01c7cc09$4b5aead0$6501a8c0@LapTop>
Message-ID: <BAY129-F26D8EBCD55CBDC5AF91355C8F70@phx.gbl>

Hi Arthur,

All I can help with are photos. Go here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/oakley06/oakley025.html

Then click next until photo #030.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

======================

>From: "ArthurDeana Southwell" <asouth42 at embarqmail.com>
>
>Hello list,
>
>Anyone have a photo of a John  Deere "W" power unit?
>
>Thanks,
>Arthur
>

_________________________________________________________________
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From oldengineman at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 23 11:44:17 2007
From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:44:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant
Message-ID: <BAY127-F31749A71B994B00FD5B6E8C4F70@phx.gbl>

Ron,
I saw Charlie at Coolspring in June and he seemed to be doing fine.  I 
believe the email address you have is correct.

Pete Stauffer


>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant
>Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:50:49 -0700
>
>Hi all.
>Has anyone heard from Charlie Bryant in Maine lately.  I sent him a line,
>it didn't bounce but have not heard back for a few weeks.  Thanks
>This is the address I was using:  mogul460 at localnet.com
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jul 23 12:58:01 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:58:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant
Message-ID: <20070723.125802.1948.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Thanks for your reply Pete.  Charlie finally got back to me, he was busy
and out of town.  We have everything lined up now. 

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:44:17 -0400 "Peter Stauffer"
<oldengineman at hotmail.com> writes:
> Ron,
> I saw Charlie at Coolspring in June and he seemed to be doing fine.  
> I 
> believe the email address you have is correct.
> 
> Pete Stauffer


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 23 14:02:22 2007
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:02:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 8 Cylinder Vertical double acting BIG HONKIN 2 stroke diesel
References: <1184423122.4698dcd2befae@webmail.city-net.com>
	<015101c7c66b$d22ec7f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<004401c7c672$aa2e7050$6701a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<20070715003424.06B995968F@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <006401c7cd6c$c44e3410$6701a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

If you have dial up ......wait !
This thing is a real sex machine... with a couple of  leaky crossheads .

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5012457650671388868&q=B%26W+engine&total=19&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5


Chuck
http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jul 23 19:22:01 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:22:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 8 Cylinder Vertical double acting BIG HONKIN 2 stroke
	diesel
In-Reply-To: <006401c7cd6c$c44e3410$6701a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEFPFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

They got this one of the big M.A.N. Diesel titled wrong but it has a lot better sounds of the engine running.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=177020678934581573

Here's a ship engine
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2325378746315107000

How about THIS stack music
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5348757765626651575

Some more little engines
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=578640443232213782

Listeroids and gen heads being manufactured.  Sound is a little confusing.  Two sound tracks!  Check out the guy sledgehammering the crankshafts into place.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3893489674092444780

For the finale, here is a documentary done a while back.  I sure would like to have a print of the original film with better sound and picture quality!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=418121314557067951

I followed the link in the above film.  LOTS of titles!  Great way to waste a lot of time.
http://www.avgeeks.com

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Chuck
> Balyeat
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 04:02 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] 8 Cylinder Vertical double acting 
> BIG HONKIN 2 stroke
> diesel
> 
> 
> If you have dial up ......wait !
> This thing is a real sex machine... with a couple 
> of  leaky crossheads 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul 24 09:56:45 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:56:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Antique engines inspire nano chip
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707241255010.77331@vegeta.city-net.com>

Now this is REALLY cool!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6912023.stm

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jul 24 17:03:06 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:03:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sundial A 2hp
Message-ID: <040f01c7ce4f$30d915e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Has any member got a book on the 2hp A overhead valve Sundial please?
Also, could an owner of one of these take close up pics of the carb setup?
This is to try and help a new owner.
Reg.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jul 24 23:14:35 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent tamatea)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:14:35 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Antique engines inspire nano chip
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707241255010.77331@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOAEEICAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>

Arnie good article just proves there was nothing wrong with the old ideas
they just didnt have the materials to work with that are available now if
Leonardo had had a moter he could of powered up his helicopter that he
designed back then.. brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:57 AM
To: Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Antique engines inspire nano chip


Now this is REALLY cool!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6912023.stm

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jul 25 00:18:52 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:18:52 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Sundial A 2hp
References: <040f01c7ce4f$30d915e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <000f01c7ce8c$148b1130$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

If one of your local mates can't help Reg ....I have a couple of B's but can 
certainly get images for your friend ,maybe even the book [copy]....lets 
know how you go.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "List SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "oldengine list" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sundial A 2hp


> Has any member got a book on the 2hp A overhead valve Sundial please?
> Also, could an owner of one of these take close up pics of the carb setup?
> This is to try and help a new owner.
> Reg.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
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From sumron at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jul 25 02:05:12 2007
From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:05:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Looking  for Dwight Vivas
Message-ID: <02d301c7ce9a$e9dc1ab0$0c366c3a@userecaf7b7be7>

Hi All on the List, can anyone advise if Dwight Vivas is still on the list and on email. I have sent 3 emails to him in the past 3 weeks re his Austral Engine and not a reply to date. He is not on holidays( vacation)  at all is he ??     

John Gilbert  Merbein, Vic, Australia ( OZ )
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x279/john_the_tankman/
ph 03-50253372


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 25 03:54:55 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:54:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Looking  for Dwight Vivas
References: <02d301c7ce9a$e9dc1ab0$0c366c3a@userecaf7b7be7>
Message-ID: <001501c7ceaa$3cfbde10$0601a8c0@altech>

Here is Dwight's addess vivas1993 at aol.com

Peter, Oz






> Hi All on the List, can anyone advise if Dwight Vivas is still on the list 
> and on email. I have sent 3 emails to him in the past 3 weeks re his 
> Austral Engine and not a reply to date. He is not on holidays( vacation) 
> at all is he ??
>
> John Gilbert  Merbein, Vic, Australia ( OZ )
> http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x279/john_the_tankman/
> ph 03-50253372
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 06:41:46 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:41:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine Still in Use.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707241255010.77331@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <88729.39427.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Howdy Folks,

I have been following the progress of a group of three young men in Sweden as they build a Wood-Gas powered car and are right now driving it around Sweden.
They had places set up to restock there wood block fuel supply.
While they are on the road everything is written in Swedish, but I found a couple interesting pictures.
It seems they found another guy that is running his car on Wood-Gas and he has an old tank cooled engine belted up to a wood chopper.

Anyone know what this engine is?
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-6.JPG

Here is the wood chopper. (Looks like fun.)
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is how I know it is a wood chopper.
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is their red Volvo and the car belonging to their wood providing host.
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-4.JPG

Here is their home page.
http://www.vedbil.se/indexe.shtml

I hope someone besides me finds this interesting.
It IS gas engine related.
The actual gasifier in their car was built during WWII.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan




       
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jul 25 19:33:39 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:33:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Diesel Engine
References: <002101c7cf2b$513b69a0$0200a8c0@d4400>
Message-ID: <AE1C7FC0-E57F-4EBA-AABD-4710D134E9A5@alltel.net>

>  http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/
>
>




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 19:58:14 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:58:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Old Tank Cooled Engine Still Used
Message-ID: <60547.91145.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Howdy Folks,

I have been following the progress of a group of three young men in Sweden as they build a Wood-Gas powered car and are right now driving it around Sweden.
They had places set up to restock there wood block fuel supply.
While they are on the road everything is written in Swedish, but I found a couple interesting pictures.
It seems they found another guy that is running his car on Wood-Gas and he has an old tank cooled engine belted up to a wood chopper.

Anyone know what this engine is?

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-6.JPG

Here is the wood chopper. (Looks like fun.)

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is how I know it is a wood chopper.

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is their red Volvo and the car belonging to their wood providing host.

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-4.JPG

Here is their home page.

http://www.vedbil.se/indexe.shtml

I  hope someone besides me finds this interesting.
It IS gas engine related.
The actual gasifier in their car was built during WWII.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan
       
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Thu Jul 26 05:31:50 2007
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:31:50 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
Message-ID: <20070726.083150.2440.0@webmail04.lax.untd.com>

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 05:44:26 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:44:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <20070726.083150.2440.0@webmail04.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Joe,
What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee Pedersen  sells?

http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html

I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan


"avanti_64 at juno.com" <avanti_64 at juno.com> wrote: Hi Guys, I am getting a recording on Dale Portell's phone #
314-344-8881.
Does anyone have any info. I need some KP.
Thanks, 
Joe Kelley



       
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 05:49:29 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:49:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Old Tank Cooled Engine Still Used
In-Reply-To: <60547.91145.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <688760.82469.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Crap !!

I messed up one link.
HERE is how I know it is a wood chopper.

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-7.JPG

Alan

Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote: Howdy Folks,

I have been following the progress of a group of three young men in Sweden as they build a Wood-Gas powered car and are right now driving it around Sweden.
They had places set up to restock there wood block fuel supply.
While they are on the road everything is written in Swedish, but I found a couple interesting pictures.
It seems they found another guy that is running his car on Wood-Gas and he has an old tank cooled engine belted up to a wood chopper.

Anyone know what this engine is?

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-6.JPG

Here is the wood chopper. (Looks like fun.)

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is how I know it is a wood chopper.

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is their red Volvo and the car belonging to their wood providing host.

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-4.JPG

Here is their home page.

http://www.vedbil.se/indexe.shtml

I  hope someone besides me finds this interesting.
It IS gas engine related.
The actual gasifier in their car was built during WWII.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan
       
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From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jul 26 05:59:51 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:59:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46A89AC7.5020009@imc-group.com>

Alan,
Trust us die hard KP users. Once you've used this product you'll never 
want to use any other tank sealer. Absolutely phenomenal stuff. If 
you've ever had to fish all the pieces of the non-hardening stuff out of 
a tank, you'd never use it!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Alan Bowen wrote:
> Hi Joe,
> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee Pedersen  sells?
>
> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>
> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>
> Alan Bowen
> Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
> "avanti_64 at juno.com" <avanti_64 at juno.com> wrote: Hi Guys, I am getting a recording on Dale Portell's phone #
> 314-344-8881.
> Does anyone have any info. I need some KP.
> Thanks, 
> Joe Kelley
>
>
>
>        
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jul 26 06:34:22 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:34:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1B429AB3-AE5A-444C-812B-63FBF1A0FEE9@alltel.net>

Hi Allen,
	QP cures (ready for use) in about 20 minutes, It will seal off all  
the loose rust in the tank, it will also "bridge holes up to about  
1/8". The stuff that Lee sells is good, but I think that if you use  
QP once you will be sold on if for all future use. The ONLY trouble  
I've ever had with QP was once when I used it on a new galvanized  
tank w/out first using mild acid on the tank. The QP did not "stick"  
and became a real mess inside the tank. However, I don't think any  
other sealer would have worked w/out the acid first, so that's not  
really much of a criticism of QP!
	Dave
On Jul 26, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Alan Bowen wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee  
> Pedersen  sells?
>
> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>
> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it  
> around then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>
> Alan Bowen


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jul 26 08:15:26 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:15:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Alan,

I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee Pedersen  sells?
>
> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>
> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around
> then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.



From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Jul 26 09:20:51 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:20:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070726115332.02f74eb0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Arnie , I agree with ya QP is good stuff. I like the fact that it does 
set in minutes. The only disadvantage I see to the stuff from Pederson "If 
the sealer from Starbolt is the same stuff (maybe I am assuming too much 
here) as Pedersons" (White thin liquid, kinda rubbery as it cures) is it 
takes some time to cure due to it is air cured and the inside of a tank is 
not well ventelated. So if you are in a hurry QP is the way to go. If you 
are conservative with materials and can wait for the other stuff to cure 
then the other is fine too. I've had a can of the stuff from Starbolt for 
several years and used it on many tanks and still have over a half a can 
left due to being able to salvage the excess.
   My latest project is reconditioning a Maytag Monitor Mower and the tank 
is sealed with the stuff from Starbolt. I had the time to let it cure while 
other things were going on. Hope to have it finished for Findlay.

                                                                 TTYL,  Mark

At 11:15 AM 7/26/07, you wrote:
>Hi Alan,
>I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
>two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
>of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
>tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
>crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
>adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
> > Hi Joe,
> > What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee 
> Pedersen  sells?
> > http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
> > I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around
> > then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
No Sunday calls if possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From shop at cccomm.net  Thu Jul 26 14:29:45 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:29:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1B429AB3-AE5A-444C-812B-63FBF1A0FEE9@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <004501c7cfcc$17c3e2a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Well, the engine is done and running altho it has one hell of a piston slap, 
so I'll probably knurl the piston skirt.
Meanwhile I am looking for good pictures of an original water tank so I can 
make on as close to original as possible, ie; rivet size and spacing, top & 
side seams whether folded or lapped, style of outlet fittings, ect.
Know of any?
Comments on the name tag? John Hall likes it.....

Pics

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp

Dave 




From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Jul 26 14:29:48 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:29:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <1B429AB3-AE5A-444C-812B-63FBF1A0FEE9@alltel.net>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1B429AB3-AE5A-444C-812B-63FBF1A0FEE9@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070727072545.01b14d38@ncable.com.au>

Hey dave who made your new tank? I recon that if you needed to put QP 
in it then you should have taken it back and swapped it for one that 
didn't leak!  Of interest; are you guys using this stuff to spare 
costs of getting a repo tank, can't get a repo tank ot just want to 
keep the original a little longer.

I sometimes see some real shitty tanks on rally feild (both feul and 
water tanks) which is disapointing when you see how much work they 
have put into a resto but then hand some crappy bling around it.
Russell


At 11:34 PM 26/07/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Allen,
>         QP cures (ready for use) in about 20 minutes, It will seal off all
>the loose rust in the tank, it will also "bridge holes up to about
>1/8". The stuff that Lee sells is good, but I think that if you use
>QP once you will be sold on if for all future use. The ONLY trouble
>I've ever had with QP was once when I used it on a new galvanized
>tank w/out first using mild acid on the tank. The QP did not "stick"
>and became a real mess inside the tank. However, I don't think any
>other sealer would have worked w/out the acid first, so that's not
>really much of a criticism of QP!
>         Dave
>On Jul 26, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
> > Hi Joe,
> > What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee
> > Pedersen  sells?
> >
> > http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
> >
> > I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it
> > around then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
> >
> > Alan Bowen
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From shop at cccomm.net  Thu Jul 26 14:39:22 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:39:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070726115332.02f74eb0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c7cfcd$6e7dec20$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Bought some extra special motorcycle type tank sealer called POR 15. Spendy 
stuff and I followed all the directions and used the wash, primer and then 
the sealer just as I was supposed to.  The last instruction was to drain the 
remainder of the sealer and discard it. No way was I going to waste the 
stuff as the kit was in the $40 range and just the sealer portion was less 
than a 1/4 pint, so I drained it back into the can and sealed it.  About 10 
minutes later there was a big bang as the lid blew off and the stuff 
continued to froth and harden.  The tank is a new one I made for under the 
fairbanks and it leaks also.

Sounds as if Kwik Poly is the one to use.

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer


> Hi Arnie , I agree with ya QP is good stuff. I like the fact that it does
> set in minutes. The only disadvantage I see to the stuff from Pederson "If
> the sealer from Starbolt is the same stuff (maybe I am assuming too much
> here) as Pedersons" (White thin liquid, kinda rubbery as it cures) is it
> takes some time to cure due to it is air cured and the inside of a tank is
> not well ventelated. So if you are in a hurry QP is the way to go. If you
> are conservative with materials and can wait for the other stuff to cure
> then the other is fine too. I've had a can of the stuff from Starbolt for
> several years and used it on many tanks and still have over a half a can
> left due to being able to salvage the excess.
>   My latest project is reconditioning a Maytag Monitor Mower and the tank
> is sealed with the stuff from Starbolt. I had the time to let it cure 
> while
> other things were going on. Hope to have it finished for Findlay.
>
>                                                                 TTYL, 
> Mark
>
> At 11:15 AM 7/26/07, you wrote:
>>Hi Alan,
>>I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
>>two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
>>of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
>>tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
>>crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
>>adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Joe,
>> > What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee
>> Pedersen  sells?
>> > http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>> > I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around
>> > then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>>
>
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
> Parts lists available on request.
>
> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
> No Sunday calls if possible.
> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I 
> represent
> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 15:31:44 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:31:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <004a01c7cfcd$6e7dec20$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <37301.48626.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey, Dave.

right from the POR-15 web site.  I went to something like Fuel System help, then to the tank sealer, then I clicked on the directions.

I grabbed this to paste here.

Here?s how to clean out a 25 gallon fuel tank:

1. Mix 1 quart of Marine-Clean with 1 quart of very hot water
and pour it into the tank GLOVES AND EYE PROTECTION
SHOULD BE WORN AT ALL TIMES.
Shake the tank, then place it in a different position every 2 hours
so the solution can cover all inside surfaces. When all surfaces
have been subjected to the cleaning solution, shake it again,
then dump out the tank, rinse it with water, dump out the water,
and start all over again. The first time you dump the solution, it?ll
be very dirty; after the second solution has been discarded, the
tank should be clean. Rinse the tank out with fresh hot water,
drain thoroughly, then pour in the full container of Metal-Ready.

2. With the Metal-Ready in the tank, again shake, then place the
tank in different positions every half hour until the entire inside of
the tank has been treated with Metal-Ready. Then rinse the tank
thoroughly with hot water several times and drain it. In order to
get the tank completely dry, you must blow warm air into it for a
long time. No tank will dry out on the inside by itself. The only
way to do this job is to use forced air. TANKS MUST BE COMPLETELY
DRY INSIDE BEFORE SEALING. THE SEALER
WILL NOT STICK TO A DAMP OR WET TANK.

3. Pour in the entire can of fuel tank sealer and ?roll? the tank
around so that all surfaces come in contact with the sealer.
Then drain for at least 30 minutes to ensure that sealer has not
?puddled? in tank. After you?ve done this, dump out the left-over
sealer back into the can, but DON?T PUT THE LID BACK ON
THE CAN TIGHTLY OR IT MAY EXPLODE! Leave the can
open and it will harden overnight. Then throw it out the next day.
Allow 72 - 96 hours for sealer to dry. Air dry tank in a well-ventilated
area. Maximum cure will be reached in 96 hours. Setup
time can be improved by using a low pressure blower or hair
dryer (low or no heat) and circulating it through one hole in tank
and out another.


I don't know how well you followed the first stem, but you sure didn't follow the third one. 8>))))

Alan Bowen


Dave Ernst <shop at cccomm.net> wrote: Bought some extra special motorcycle type tank sealer called POR 15. Spendy 
stuff and I followed all the directions and used the wash, primer and then 
the sealer just as I was supposed to.  The last instruction was to drain the 
remainder of the sealer and discard it. No way was I going to waste the 
stuff as the kit was in the $40 range and just the sealer portion was less 
than a 1/4 pint, so I drained it back into the can and sealed it.  About 10 
minutes later there was a big bang as the lid blew off and the stuff 
continued to froth and harden.  The tank is a new one I made for under the 
fairbanks and it leaks also.

Sounds as if Kwik Poly is the one to use.

Dave

       
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jul 26 16:23:16 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:23:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070727072545.01b14d38@ncable.com.au>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1B429AB3-AE5A-444C-812B-63FBF1A0FEE9@alltel.net>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070727072545.01b14d38@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <43451C6B-7CBB-4634-B568-B371E5516016@alltel.net>

Hi Russell,
	No leaks, just my "newness" to the hobby and thinking that since QP  
worked so well I'd put it in EVERYTHING!
		Dave


On Jul 26, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Hey dave who made your new tank? I recon that if you needed to put QP
> in it then you should have taken it back and swapped it for one that
> didn't leak!  Of interest; are you guys using this stuff to spare
> costs of getting a repo tank, can't get a repo tank ot just want to
> keep the original a little longer.
>
> I sometimes see some real shitty tanks on rally feild (both feul and
> water tanks) which is disapointing when you see how much work they
> have put into a resto but then hand some crappy bling around it.
> Russell
>
>
> At 11:34 PM 26/07/2007, you wrote:
>> Hi Allen,
>>         QP cures (ready for use) in about 20 minutes, It will seal  
>> off all
>> the loose rust in the tank, it will also "bridge holes up to about
>> 1/8". The stuff that Lee sells is good, but I think that if you use
>> QP once you will be sold on if for all future use. The ONLY trouble
>> I've ever had with QP was once when I used it on a new galvanized
>> tank w/out first using mild acid on the tank. The QP did not "stick"
>> and became a real mess inside the tank. However, I don't think any
>> other sealer would have worked w/out the acid first, so that's not
>> really much of a criticism of QP!
>>         Dave
>> On Jul 26, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee
>>> Pedersen  sells?
>>>
>>> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>>>
>>> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it
>>> around then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>>>
>>> Alan Bowen
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> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Wed Jul 25 23:19:37 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent tamatea)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:19:37 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine Still in Use.
In-Reply-To: <88729.39427.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOAEFDCAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>

Alan interesting site i had heard of these engines during the war looks as
though they have refined them quite a bit theconcept is great and looks like
good fun.Well worth a read..brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Alan Bowen
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:42 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine Still in Use.


Howdy Folks,

I have been following the progress of a group of three young men in Sweden
as they build a Wood-Gas powered car and are right now driving it around
Sweden.
They had places set up to restock there wood block fuel supply.
While they are on the road everything is written in Swedish, but I found a
couple interesting pictures.
It seems they found another guy that is running his car on Wood-Gas and he
has an old tank cooled engine belted up to a wood chopper.

Anyone know what this engine is?
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-6.JPG

Here is the wood chopper. (Looks like fun.)
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is how I know it is a wood chopper.
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is their red Volvo and the car belonging to their wood providing host.
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-4.JPG

Here is their home page.
http://www.vedbil.se/indexe.shtml

I hope someone besides me finds this interesting.
It IS gas engine related.
The actual gasifier in their car was built during WWII.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan





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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Jul 27 06:51:45 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:51:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>


Arnie and any one else that knows. Can this be used to do like the 
bottom of a tank then after drying. Re pore and do the sides. I have 
a tank on a old tractor that is BAD bottom has 2 pound of lead on it 
and still leaks sides very rusty. I would like to seal bottom then 
coat sides it is about 20 gallon tank.  Don't know if one mix would do all,
Thanks
R Fink
PA



At 11:15 AM 7/26/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Alan,
>
>I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
>two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
>of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
>tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
>crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
>adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
> > Hi Joe,
> > What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee 
> Pedersen  sells?
> >
> > http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
> >
> > I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around
> > then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 27 04:15:36 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:15:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <398C6766-8CA9-4822-A662-8F12C3BE8221@alltel.net>

The thing to remember is that QP will NOT stick to itself. One mix  
should be enough to do the whole tank. If the holes are large (ie up  
to 1/8") put masking tape over then first and then use the QP.
	Dave
PS, One "unit" will give you a quart!

On Jul 27, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:

>
> Arnie and any one else that knows. Can this be used to do like the
> bottom of a tank then after drying. Re pore and do the sides. I have
> a tank on a old tractor that is BAD bottom has 2 pound of lead on it
> and still leaks sides very rusty. I would like to seal bottom then
> coat sides it is about 20 gallon tank.  Don't know if one mix would  
> do all,
> Thanks
> R Fink
> PA
>
>
>
> At 11:15 AM 7/26/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly  
>> is a
>> two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the  
>> consistency
>> of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross  
>> holes in the
>> tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
>> crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
>> adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee
>> Pedersen  sells?
>>>
>>> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>>>
>>> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it  
>>> around
>>> then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 27 04:18:20 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:18:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] A tractor even the engine guys could love...
References: <000001c7cfeb$04612cd0$9600a8c0@DJ4Y3J71>
Message-ID: <F070F155-50C1-43FF-9D69-67EA994F565A@alltel.net>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Dean Vinson" <dean at vinsonfarm.net>
> Date: July 26, 2007 9:11:07 PM EDT
> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'" <at at lists.antique- 
> tractor.com>
> Subject: [AT] A tractor even the engine guys could love...
> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique- 
> tractor.com>
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230154940197
>
> Dean Vinson
> Dayton, Ohio
> www.vinsonfarm.net
>
>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jul 27 04:47:41 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:47:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>

Richard,
Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he 
must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement. That said, 
why wouldn't you do the QP treatment all in one step? I had a weepy tank 
on my Ford 600 tractor tank. No rust anywhere to be found, but still 
weepy. I removed the tank, cleaned the outside real well in the parts 
washer, and re-welded a support bracket that had come loose. Then poured 
in a cup or 2 of lacquer thinner and sloshed this around, de-greasing 
the inside of the tank thoroughly. Then took an air hose and blew the 
inside until all the thinner was gone. I mixed less than a 1/2 cup of 
the QP and poured it in. It's like water and you slosh this around in a 
pattern to assure you wet the entire bottom half of the tank. You can go 
as high or low as you wish up the sides. You keep sloshing until the 
chemical reaction begins to occur and it gets more and more viscous. If 
you have a particularly weak or holy area, allow the left over material 
to settle in this area as it is chemically setting.
The larger the tank, the more product you mix initially. For your large 
tank you might need a full cup. To avoid the re-stick issue that Dave 
mentioned, one could mix another portion and pour it in just as the 
first batch was beginning to thicken, but not set yet. By getting the 
timing right where you are pouring new material in over setting 
material, I would think they would be molecularly bonded and not be 
separate layers.
FWIW, the QP in the Ford 600 tank is still working great going on 7 
years now.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Richard Fink Sr wrote:
> Arnie and any one else that knows. Can this be used to do like the 
> bottom of a tank then after drying. Re pore and do the sides. I have 
> a tank on a old tractor that is BAD bottom has 2 pound of lead on it 
> and still leaks sides very rusty. I would like to seal bottom then 
> coat sides it is about 20 gallon tank.  Don't know if one mix would do all,
> Thanks
> R Fink
> PA
>
>
>
> At 11:15 AM 7/26/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>   
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
>> two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
>> of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
>> tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
>> crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
>> adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi Joe,
>>> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee 
>>>       
>> Pedersen  sells?
>>     
>>> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>>>
>>> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around
>>> then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>     
>
>
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>
>
>   



From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 27 06:07:20 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:07:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <004501c7cfcc$17c3e2a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKBFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

Nice job!

How did you get such a neat job on the black background for the name tag.  It's not original (as far as I know) but looks GREAT!

Also, yours is the first Jack of All Trades I've ever seen that has two cylinder oilers.

'Ya think you have enough piston rings on that thing??????!!!!!!    :-)  You may want to get some original width rings.  I'd be concerned about cylinder wear.

Instead of knurling (it could damage the piston), consider having it spray welded and ground to size.   Mine had a LOT of piston slap, too, before I put the original jug and piston back on it.

I've got some photos of 2 HP Jacks with the cooling tanks in place, stencilled lettering and all.  I also have a dimensioned drawing of a tank for a 2 HP.  Let me know if you want 'em and I'll privately email them as attachments.

Take care - Elden 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave Ernst
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 04:30 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Well, the engine is done and running altho it has 
> one hell of a piston slap, 
> so I'll probably knurl the piston skirt.
> Meanwhile I am looking for good pictures of an 
> original water tank so I can 
> make on as close to original as possible, ie; 
> rivet size and spacing, top & 
> side seams whether folded or lapped, style of 
> outlet fittings, ect.
> Know of any?
> Comments on the name tag? John Hall likes it.....
> 
> Pics
> 
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=30095
> 45&a=32514163&vt=vp
> 
> Dave 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 27 05:12:33 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:12:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <521AF939-7580-47C5-A26D-7FCDCD3C2EDB@alltel.net>


On Jul 27, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Curt wrote:

> Richard,
> Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he
> must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement.
> Curt Holland

Hi Curt, My reason for my statement that QP will not stick to itself  
is a rather simple one--it says so in the directions that come with  
the QP!
	Dave


From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jul 27 05:38:49 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:38:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <521AF939-7580-47C5-A26D-7FCDCD3C2EDB@alltel.net>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>	<46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
	<521AF939-7580-47C5-A26D-7FCDCD3C2EDB@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <46A9E759.6060907@imc-group.com>

Damn.....read the instructions? What a novel idea!  :-)
Curt

David Rotigel wrote:
> On Jul 27, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Curt wrote:
>
>   
>> Richard,
>> Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he
>> must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement.
>> Curt Holland
>>     
>
> Hi Curt, My reason for my statement that QP will not stick to itself  
> is a rather simple one--it says so in the directions that come with  
> the QP!
> 	Dave
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>
>   




From shop at cccomm.net  Fri Jul 27 05:48:36 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:48:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKBFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c7d04c$72e4aef0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Elden,
Now that you've brought up the oiler question, and thanks to Jeff Allen for 
his input, I think the double oilers were original.  Reading the 
instructions posted by Jeff, I read these engines had an option called 
"centrifigal crank pin oiler". When that is ordered there is an additional 
(third)oiler on the left side of the block by the crank with a hole through 
the side cover plate that the tubing from the oiler passes thru to drip oil 
on the crank pin. Mine has the hole, right angle bracket, tubing and a 1/4" 
pipe fitting for an oiler. According to the instructions with this option 
the crankcase was dry and the oil was wasted.
Any thoughts?
As far as the tag, it's original.  A friend near me has an 1908 version, but 
his tag doesn't have the serial number on it.
I also have pictures of a Jack owned by a fellow in the SF bay area that has 
a handhole on each end of the crankcase. Wonder what that means?
As for your water tank pic's please post them to me.
Thanks,
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T


> Dave:
>
> Nice job!
>
> How did you get such a neat job on the black background for the name tag. 
> It's not original (as far as I know) but looks GREAT!
>
> Also, yours is the first Jack of All Trades I've ever seen that has two 
> cylinder oilers.
>
> 'Ya think you have enough piston rings on that thing??????!!!!!!    :-) 
> You may want to get some original width rings.  I'd be concerned about 
> cylinder wear.
>
> Instead of knurling (it could damage the piston), consider having it spray 
> welded and ground to size.   Mine had a LOT of piston slap, too, before I 
> put the original jug and piston back on it.
>
> I've got some photos of 2 HP Jacks with the cooling tanks in place, 
> stencilled lettering and all.  I also have a dimensioned drawing of a tank 
> for a 2 HP.  Let me know if you want 'em and I'll privately email them as 
> attachments.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Dave Ernst
>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 04:30 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
>>
>>
>> Well, the engine is done and running altho it has
>> one hell of a piston slap,
>> so I'll probably knurl the piston skirt.
>> Meanwhile I am looking for good pictures of an
>> original water tank so I can
>> make on as close to original as possible, ie;
>> rivet size and spacing, top &
>> side seams whether folded or lapped, style of
>> outlet fittings, ect.
>> Know of any?
>> Comments on the name tag? John Hall likes it.....
>>
>> Pics
>>
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=30095
>> 45&a=32514163&vt=vp
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 27 08:10:34 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:10:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <006a01c7d04c$72e4aef0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKFFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

If you will privately send me your email address, I will privately email the information to you.  (I can't winkle your email address out of the SEL membership list).  If, for some reason, that doesn't work, or if enough folks want it, I will post it to the Jack of All Trades section of my web page.

On the last photo, the "extra oiler" looks like it only goes into the cylinder bore.  I wonder why anyone used the wasted oil system?  Maybe there was a big controversy over which system was best.

I've also wondered why they even put a cylinder oiler on these.  If the dipper on the rod is in place and the oil level is correct, I think there will be plenty of oil thrown up to the cylinder, especially when being run at full nameplate speed.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave Ernst
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 07:49 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Elden,
> Now that you've brought up the oiler question, 
> and thanks to Jeff Allen for 
> his input, I think the double oilers were 
> original.  Reading the 
> instructions posted by Jeff, I read these engines 
> had an option called 
> "centrifigal crank pin oiler". When that is 
> ordered there is an additional 
> (third)oiler on the left side of the block by the 
> crank with a hole through 
> the side cover plate that the tubing from the 
> oiler passes thru to drip oil 
> on the crank pin. Mine has the hole, right angle 
> bracket, tubing and a 1/4" 
> pipe fitting for an oiler. According to the 
> instructions with this option 
> the crankcase was dry and the oil was wasted.
> Any thoughts?
> As far as the tag, it's original.  A friend near 
> me has an 1908 version, but 
> his tag doesn't have the serial number on it.
> I also have pictures of a Jack owned by a fellow 
> in the SF bay area that has 
> a handhole on each end of the crankcase. Wonder 
> what that means?
> As for your water tank pic's please post them to me.
> Thanks,
> Dave




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jul 27 07:39:40 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:39:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKFFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKFFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <46AA03AC.3050901@scrtc.com>

Eldon,
    The sender's email address always appears at the top of the message 
on my system (Netscape).  I don't know if its the same for IE and 
others.  Dave's email address is:

shop at cccomm.net

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Dave:
>
>If you will privately send me your email address, I will privately email the information to you.  (I can't winkle your email address out of the SEL membership list).  If, for some reason, that doesn't work, or if enough folks want it, I will post it to the Jack of All Trades section of my web page.
>
>On the last photo, the "extra oiler" looks like it only goes into the cylinder bore.  I wonder why anyone used the wasted oil system?  Maybe there was a big controversy over which system was best.
>
>I've also wondered why they even put a cylinder oiler on these.  If the dipper on the rod is in place and the oil level is correct, I think there will be plenty of oil thrown up to the cylinder, especially when being run at full nameplate speed.
>
>Take care - Elden
>edurand at mchsi.com
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of Dave Ernst
>>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 07:49 AM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
>>
>>
>>Elden,
>>Now that you've brought up the oiler question, 
>>and thanks to Jeff Allen for 
>>his input, I think the double oilers were 
>>original.  Reading the 
>>instructions posted by Jeff, I read these engines 
>>had an option called 
>>"centrifigal crank pin oiler". When that is 
>>ordered there is an additional 
>>(third)oiler on the left side of the block by the 
>>crank with a hole through 
>>the side cover plate that the tubing from the 
>>oiler passes thru to drip oil 
>>on the crank pin. Mine has the hole, right angle 
>>bracket, tubing and a 1/4" 
>>pipe fitting for an oiler. According to the 
>>instructions with this option 
>>the crankcase was dry and the oil was wasted.
>>Any thoughts?
>>As far as the tag, it's original.  A friend near 
>>me has an 1908 version, but 
>>his tag doesn't have the serial number on it.
>>I also have pictures of a Jack owned by a fellow 
>>in the SF bay area that has 
>>a handhole on each end of the crankcase. Wonder 
>>what that means?
>>As for your water tank pic's please post them to me.
>>Thanks,
>>Dave
>>    
>>
>
>
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>  
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul 27 08:42:44 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:42:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] A tractor even the engine guys could love...
In-Reply-To: <F070F155-50C1-43FF-9D69-67EA994F565A@alltel.net>
References: <000001c7cfeb$04612cd0$9600a8c0@DJ4Y3J71>
	<F070F155-50C1-43FF-9D69-67EA994F565A@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707271142210.25497@vegeta.city-net.com>

AWESOME!!!!!!

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, David Rotigel wrote:

> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230154940197



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 27 08:08:23 2007
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:08:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] WOODGAS
References: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOAEFDCAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>
Message-ID: <005a01c7d05f$fa66a550$6701a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>



> Alan interesting site i had heard of these engines during the war looks as
> though they have refined them quite a bit theconcept is great and looks 
> like
> good fun.Well worth a read..brent nz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Indeed it was , very cool stuff .

 With all the talk of , and the actual practice of burning money to make 
ethanol it occured
to me that one might use a gas generator and burn the money  directly in the 
engine thereby increasing efficiency .

Has anybody run a model on $100 dollar bills yet ?  Not a steamer , a gas 
engine on cashgas .

Chuck
http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm 



From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Jul 27 08:14:52 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:14:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070727105854.030a29e0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Fink,
I would think that if QP does not adhere to itself then there might be a 
problem at the edge of the earlier coating, Where the second coat meets the 
first coat. It might be a very thin line but maybe. I would try to coat it 
all at once and pour most of the excess out leaving a bit extra in there to 
settle to the bottom to be a thicker coat there if thats your aim.
  I would use a quart total of mixed QP.  One quart will cover all as its 
thin as water till it starts to set.  You might waste some but you will 
definately get it all coated if you roll it thoroughly.
  You could try to mix a total of a half quart and start to roll it and it 
its not enough quick mix another batch and pour it in before the first 
batch begins to catalize. But you have to be quick on mixing the second 
batch if you decide to do that. If the first batch begins to set before the 
second is poured in and mixed with the first then its risking a problem.
                        TTYL,  Mark


At 09:51 AM 7/27/07, you wrote:

>Arnie and any one else that knows. Can this be used to do like the
>bottom of a tank then after drying. Re pore and do the sides. I have
>a tank on a old tractor that is BAD bottom has 2 pound of lead on it
>and still leaks sides very rusty. I would like to seal bottom then
>coat sides it is about 20 gallon tank.  Don't know if one mix would do all,
>Thanks
>R Fink
>PA
>
>At 11:15 AM 7/26/2007 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi Alan,
> >
> >I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
> >two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
> >of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
> >tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
> >crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
> >adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
> >
> >See ya,  Arnie
> >

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
No Sunday calls if possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jul 27 08:20:21 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:20:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <B1952778-4958-4476-938B-B74F01B952E3@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 27, 2007, at 4:47 AM, Curt wrote:
> To avoid the re-stick issue that Dave
> mentioned, one could mix another portion and pour it in just as the
> first batch was beginning to thicken, but not set yet. By getting the
> timing right where you are pouring new material in over setting
> material,

Hey Curt,
I've done exactly as you described:  pour it in, let it set up, pour  
some more in, let it set up, pour some more in, tire of he process  
and call it good.  I suspect the "no stick" instructions might be  
referring to KP that has completely set up and is like a rock.  That  
takes hours to happen.

Rob



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul 27 07:59:35 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:59:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] A tractor even the engine guys could love...
Message-ID: <20070727.112658.1320.1.jlb94@juno.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230154940197

Pretty elaborate "Potato Gun" on the back.
 
Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " How is it possible for Americans to denounce
  (_o_)                Communism and practice it simultaneously?"


From weolson at wiktel.com  Fri Jul 27 10:09:41 2007
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:09:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <46A9E759.6060907@imc-group.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>	<46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>	<521AF939-7580-47C5-A26D-7FCDCD3C2EDB@alltel.net>
	<46A9E759.6060907@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <46AA26D5.90602@wiktel.com>

Here is a cut from the Kwik Poly?  web site  http://kwikpolyllc.com
  regarding recoating. under application title,

 HOLE - MISSING METAL - DAMAGE

When building up patched areas and to gain the utmost strength, several 
coats of thickened Kwik Poly? will be required. It is usually advisable 
to sand between coats and rough up the surface so the succeeding coat 
will get the best adhesion. In some cases you may want to add different 
filler such as milled or shredded fiberglass or glass beads to gain even 
more strength. Or you may just want to experiment by mixing in different 
material. Remember Kwik Poly? will accept just about any filler as long 
as it is dry and free of oil.

   Perhaps this will help
William Olson
Roosevelt, MN

Curt wrote:

>Damn.....read the instructions? What a novel idea!  :-)
>Curt
>
>David Rotigel wrote:
>  
>
>>On Jul 27, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Curt wrote:
>>
>>  
>>    
>>
>>>Richard,
>>>Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he
>>>must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement.
>>>Curt Holland
>>>    
>>>      
>>>
>>Hi Curt, My reason for my statement that QP will not stick to itself  
>>is a rather simple one--it says so in the directions that come with  
>>the QP!
>>	Dave
>>_______________________________________________
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>>    
>>



From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 27 13:53:01 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:53:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <46AA03AC.3050901@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKIFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Aw, geez, Tommy!  You just embarrassed the heck outta me!  I knew that.  Must be CRS Syndrome rearing it's ugly head.

Or as Bart Simpson would say......."Doh!"

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 09:40 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Eldon,
>     The sender's email address always appears at 
> the top of the message 
> on my system (Netscape).  I don't know if its the 
> same for IE and 
> others.  Dave's email address is:
> 
> shop at cccomm.net
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> >Dave:
> >
> >If you will privately send me your email 
> address, I will privately email the information 
> to you.  (I can't winkle your email address out 
> of the SEL membership list).  If, for some 
> reason, that doesn't work, or if enough folks 
> want it, I will post it to the Jack of All Trades 
> section of my web page.
> >
> >On the last photo, the "extra oiler" looks like 
> it only goes into the cylinder bore.  I wonder 
> why anyone used the wasted oil system?  Maybe 
> there was a big controversy over which system was best.
> >
> >I've also wondered why they even put a cylinder 
> oiler on these.  If the dipper on the rod is in 
> place and the oil level is correct, I think there 
> will be plenty of oil thrown up to the cylinder, 
> especially when being run at full nameplate speed.




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 27 14:52:41 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:52:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Drawing of F-M Jack Tank and photos of skid
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKKFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

To save complication, I have added tank dimensions and skid photos to my "Jack of All Trades" page.

Go to the site below and click on the appropriate page. 

Take care - Elden DuRand
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Fri Jul 27 14:55:22 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:55:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com><20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net><46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
	<B1952778-4958-4476-938B-B74F01B952E3@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <003401c7d098$d524beb0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

You know what?
You could keep pouring that stuff in like you say until the tank will no 
longer be able to hold any gas to leak out.
That would work.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer


>
> On Jul 27, 2007, at 4:47 AM, Curt wrote:
>> To avoid the re-stick issue that Dave
>> mentioned, one could mix another portion and pour it in just as the
>> first batch was beginning to thicken, but not set yet. By getting the
>> timing right where you are pouring new material in over setting
>> material,
>
> Hey Curt,
> I've done exactly as you described:  pour it in, let it set up, pour
> some more in, let it set up, pour some more in, tire of he process
> and call it good.  I suspect the "no stick" instructions might be
> referring to KP that has completely set up and is like a rock.  That
> takes hours to happen.
>
> Rob
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 27 15:14:42 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:14:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer  Color ?
In-Reply-To: <46AA26D5.90602@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <405078.10406.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

OK Folks,
I went looking on their web site, but I didn't find what I wanted.
I read how to add colorings and thickeners, but what I am wondering is this:

What color is Kwik Poly when it hardens up?

Seems like I remember someone using Kwik Poly to harden up and repair a rotted wooden leg on a corn sheller or mill of some kind a few years back.

Thanks,
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

       
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 27 16:12:48 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:12:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer  Color ?
In-Reply-To: <405078.10406.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <405078.10406.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2B02065E-CECB-45F9-A721-8514077D51D4@alltel.net>

> What color is Kwik Poly when it hardens up?
Yellowish white
>
> Seems like I remember someone using Kwik Poly to harden up and  
> repair a rotted wooden leg on a corn sheller or mill of some kind a  
> few years back.
That's correct, you did.
>
> Thanks,
> Alan Bowen

	Dave


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 27 16:28:08 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:28:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
Message-ID: <D3F60641-3A4B-4310-983B-6E67A31052C7@alltel.net>

Hi All,
	The response that I got to my earlier call for those who will attend  
the ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction on Thursday evening of the  
Portland Show was (to say the least) unspectacular! I had only 6  
responses! Everything runs it's course and then is over--so it is  
with the dinner and auction. It's sad to let go of it, but so be it!  
See you all at Portland!
	Dave


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jul 27 16:38:16 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:38:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer  Color ?
In-Reply-To: <405078.10406.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <405078.10406.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BCCB100C-B1F5-4856-A571-DB0868235F92@rustyiron.com>

On Jul 27, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

> OK Folks,
> I went looking on their web site, but I didn't find what I wanted.
> I read how to add colorings and thickeners, but what I am wondering  
> is this:
>
> What color is Kwik Poly when it hardens up?
>
> Seems like I remember someone using Kwik Poly to harden up and  
> repair a rotted wooden leg on a corn sheller or mill of some kind a  
> few years back.


Heya Alan,
When used as directed, Kwik-Poly is almost clear.  Thick, it's a  
light yellow, like a mix between white and a manilla envelope.

A few years back I wrote of using it on the leg of a cider press  
where the end grain had dry rot and was soft like styrofoam.  The  
wood was very decorative, and it would have been a shame to have to  
replace it.  For this application, I can think of nothing better than  
KP.  It's watery enough to soak into the wood quickly, yet set up  
fast enough before you end up with a mess.

Rob





From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Jul 27 19:54:34 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:54:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20070727235447.2396D2299CF@md5.pennswoods.net>

Thanks Dave Curt and all. I have worked on this tractor on and off 
last 3 years or so. I took the tank in to a local radiator shop that 
does relining and they said with the leaks could not be done. It is a 
1932 Cleatrac W last year with steering wheel.
R Fink




At 07:47 AM 7/27/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>Richard,
>Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he
>must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement. That said,
>why wouldn't you do the QP treatment all in one step? I had a weepy tank
>on my Ford 600 tractor tank. No rust anywhere to be found, but still
>weepy. I removed the tank, cleaned the outside real well in the parts
>washer, and re-welded a support bracket that had come loose. Then poured
>in a cup or 2 of lacquer thinner and sloshed this around, de-greasing
>the inside of the tank thoroughly. Then took an air hose and blew the
>inside until all the thinner was gone. I mixed less than a 1/2 cup of
>the QP and poured it in. It's like water and you slosh this around in a
>pattern to assure you wet the entire bottom half of the tank. You can go
>as high or low as you wish up the sides. You keep sloshing until the
>chemical reaction begins to occur and it gets more and more viscous. If
>you have a particularly weak or holy area, allow the left over material
>to settle in this area as it is chemically setting.
>The larger the tank, the more product you mix initially. For your large
>tank you might need a full cup. To avoid the re-stick issue that Dave
>mentioned, one could mix another portion and pour it in just as the
>first batch was beginning to thicken, but not set yet. By getting the
>timing right where you are pouring new material in over setting
>material, I would think they would be molecularly bonded and not be
>separate layers.
>FWIW, the QP in the Ford 600 tank is still working great going on 7
>years now.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>Richard Fink Sr wrote:
> > Arnie and any one else that knows. Can this be used to do like the
> > bottom of a tank then after drying. Re pore and do the sides. I have
> > a tank on a old tractor that is BAD bottom has 2 pound of lead on it
> > and still leaks sides very rusty. I would like to seal bottom then
> > coat sides it is about 20 gallon tank.  Don't know if one mix would do all,
> > Thanks
> > R Fink
> > PA
> >
> >
> >
> > At 11:15 AM 7/26/2007 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Alan,
> >>
> >> I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
> >> two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
> >> of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
> >> tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
> >> crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
> >> adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
> >>
> >> See ya,  Arnie
> >>
> >> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Joe,
> >>> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee
> >>>
> >> Pedersen  sells?
> >>
> >>> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
> >>>
> >>> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around
> >>> then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
>
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Jul 27 20:02:43 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:02:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <003401c7d098$d524beb0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
	<B1952778-4958-4476-938B-B74F01B952E3@rustyiron.com>
	<003401c7d098$d524beb0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <20070728000259.42B072299B0@md5.pennswoods.net>

Skip do you have a few extra thousand laying around. If so i will try that.
LOL
R Fink

At 05:55 PM 7/27/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>You know what?
>You could keep pouring that stuff in like you say until the tank will no
>longer be able to hold any gas to leak out.
>That would work.
>Skip
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
>
>
> >
> > On Jul 27, 2007, at 4:47 AM, Curt wrote:
> >> To avoid the re-stick issue that Dave
> >> mentioned, one could mix another portion and pour it in just as the
> >> first batch was beginning to thicken, but not set yet. By getting the
> >> timing right where you are pouring new material in over setting
> >> material,
> >
> > Hey Curt,
> > I've done exactly as you described:  pour it in, let it set up, pour
> > some more in, let it set up, pour some more in, tire of he process
> > and call it good.  I suspect the "no stick" instructions might be
> > referring to KP that has completely set up and is like a rock.  That
> > takes hours to happen.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 22:41:26 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:41:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
In-Reply-To: <D3F60641-3A4B-4310-983B-6E67A31052C7@alltel.net>
References: <D3F60641-3A4B-4310-983B-6E67A31052C7@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707272241t5159908w16a07964db0e6f31@mail.gmail.com>

On 28/07/07, David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
>         The response that I got to my earlier call for those who will attend
> the ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction on Thursday evening of the
> Portland Show was (to say the least) unspectacular! I had only 6
> responses! Everything runs it's course and then is over--so it is
> with the dinner and auction. It's sad to let go of it, but so be it!
> See you all at Portland!
>         Dave
>

That's very dissapointing, Dave, and somewhat unusual bearing in mind
the numbers at previous years.

We will still be going up there on the Thursday evening, it is part of
the show for us.

Hopefully we will see some of the guys and gals there?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Fri Jul 27 23:02:12 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent tamatea)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:02:12 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <46AA26D5.90602@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOGEHCCAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>

On the basis of what is written could the previous coating be roughened up
by shaking the tank carefully with nuts and bolts or light chain to prepare
the surface for another coat just a thought. brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of William
Olson
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 5:10 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer


Here is a cut from the Kwik Poly?  web site  http://kwikpolyllc.com
  regarding recoating. under application title,

 HOLE - MISSING METAL - DAMAGE

When building up patched areas and to gain the utmost strength, several
coats of thickened Kwik Poly? will be required. It is usually advisable
to sand between coats and rough up the surface so the succeeding coat
will get the best adhesion. In some cases you may want to add different
filler such as milled or shredded fiberglass or glass beads to gain even
more strength. Or you may just want to experiment by mixing in different
material. Remember Kwik Poly? will accept just about any filler as long
as it is dry and free of oil.

   Perhaps this will help
William Olson
Roosevelt, MN

Curt wrote:

>Damn.....read the instructions? What a novel idea!  :-)
>Curt
>
>David Rotigel wrote:
>
>
>>On Jul 27, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Curt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Richard,
>>>Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he
>>>must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement.
>>>Curt Holland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Hi Curt, My reason for my statement that QP will not stick to itself
>>is a rather simple one--it says so in the directions that come with
>>the QP!
>>	Dave
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Fri Jul 27 23:22:16 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent tamatea)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:22:16 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <46AA26D5.90602@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOOEHCCAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>

Thank you for sending the link i have a few petrol tanks that i was going to
try repairing i had come to the conclusion that epoxy compounds work the
best as they are impervious to oils and greases and are very strong ideally
a solvent based one is best there are water based ones on the market as well
these work better for sealing concrete as a moisure barrier i had fixed a
petrol tank using some knead it a two part mix that i purchased from a local
hardware store which worked extremely well certainly no problems and is
extremely strong.As thequik poly is like water sounds a really good option
for rusted tanks..Always good to hear of good feedback have not been
convinced of the others products on the market especially the type of
products that remain in a semi soft or tacky condition once cured  brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of William
Olson
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 5:10 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer


Here is a cut from the Kwik Poly?  web site  http://kwikpolyllc.com
  regarding recoating. under application title,

 HOLE - MISSING METAL - DAMAGE

When building up patched areas and to gain the utmost strength, several
coats of thickened Kwik Poly? will be required. It is usually advisable
to sand between coats and rough up the surface so the succeeding coat
will get the best adhesion. In some cases you may want to add different
filler such as milled or shredded fiberglass or glass beads to gain even
more strength. Or you may just want to experiment by mixing in different
material. Remember Kwik Poly? will accept just about any filler as long
as it is dry and free of oil.

   Perhaps this will help
William Olson
Roosevelt, MN

Curt wrote:

>Damn.....read the instructions? What a novel idea!  :-)
>Curt
>
>David Rotigel wrote:
>
>
>>On Jul 27, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Curt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Richard,
>>>Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he
>>>must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement.
>>>Curt Holland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Hi Curt, My reason for my statement that QP will not stick to itself
>>is a rather simple one--it says so in the directions that come with
>>the QP!
>>	Dave
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>

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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jul 28 04:17:48 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:17:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer  Color ?
References: <405078.10406.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c7d108$ef0abb70$00d34c0c@D48VHZ61>

There is actually a product made for strengthening rotten wood. A painter 
friend of mine showed it to me, he keeps it in the truck to repair water 
damage if not too severe. I believe he has to get it from paint stores, I 
don't know if the big home improvement stores would carry it. I'm thinking 
it may have been made by Minwax or Formby's, but don't hold me to it.

John Hall
.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer Color ?


>> Seems like I remember someone using Kwik Poly to harden up and repair a 
>> rotted wooden leg on a corn sheller or mill of some kind a few years 
>> back.
>
> Thanks,
> Alan Bowen
> Williamsburg, Michigan
> 




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 28 12:25:49 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:25:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer verses Minwax Wood Hardener
In-Reply-To: <002b01c7d108$ef0abb70$00d34c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <739076.66449.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi John,

I am pretty sure you are talking about Minwax Wood Hardener.
I have used the stuff.  I was not at all satisfied.  Kwik Poly will do a better job a whole lot faster and I am very sure it will last longer.

I just went here,,,,
http://www.epinions.com/content_171240230532

It is one person's opinion about how great Minwax Wood Hardener is.

Maybe I should write an opinion for them too.

I brushed that product into a badly rotted window sill at my mom's house.  I kept at it until the wood wouldn't hold any more.   It seemed okay after it dried and I covered it with aluminum and went on.  Two years later I checked that area out and there was nothing under the aluminum.

A year later I ripped the whole window out so now instead of a picture window in the dining room she has two double hung windows mulled together with tilt in sashes that are easy for her to wash.

This is my opinion.  Do what you want and form your own opinion.  8>))

Alan Bowen


John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote: There is actually a product made for strengthening rotten wood. A painter 
friend of mine showed it to me, he keeps it in the truck to repair water 
damage if not too severe. I believe he has to get it from paint stores, I 
don't know if the big home improvement stores would carry it. I'm thinking 
it may have been made by Minwax or Formby's, but don't hold me to it.

John Hall
.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer Color ?


>> Seems like I remember someone using Kwik Poly to harden up and repair a 
>> rotted wooden leg on a corn sheller or mill of some kind a few years 
>> back.
>
> Thanks,
> Alan Bowen
> Williamsburg, Michigan
> 


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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jul 29 04:00:42 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:00:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Helena, Montana first show
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV7606EBF4E89DF5198FA6DBBED0@phx.gbl>


  Well gang...I guess there is some hope after all.  Friends, Clayton 
"Willy" Wilhelm and wife Donna got hooked a year or so ago and this weekend 
they showed their iron at the Lewis & Clark County Fairgrounds.  Great shady 
setup and while friend Corky and I were there, he had quite a few spectators 
asking the usual questions.  A great start for Willy and Donna even with 
just showing the JD, Pig, and a little Fred.  The fairboard will be 
contacted and will see if they would like to expand.

  It's time here to seriously consider a club....would appreciate any 
suggestions, good or bad.  I see nothing wrong with EDGE & TA, although they 
will not cover liability for individual showings.  Please correct me if I'm 
wrong.

  Here's a few photo's of Willy, Donna, and friend Corky.  The first two 
pictures are at Willy's place, shot a couple months ago...yup, that's his 
airplane hangar where the bug is.....he builds and flys airplanes...but has 
recently replaced Aluminum with Cast Iron :-)

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/557273480qakVUp

Hope ya enjoy and can help us out starting a club....

Best regards from forest fire country...it is smoky here!!!

RickinMt. 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Jul 29 06:57:44 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:57:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Helena, Montana first show
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV7606EBF4E89DF5198FA6DBBED0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOELMFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Hi, Smokey.....er, Rick:

I hope you don't make a flaming ash outta yerself!   :-)

Starting a club.............If you're willing to put a lot of effort into it and will have fun in the process, go for it.  

You may also consider just having gatherings at the fairgrounds without having the hassle of managing a club.  I don't know how that would affect insurance, etc. but it would be easier to just have a few of these a year.  I don't know if the Fair Board could help with insurance as a co-sponsor but it may be worth a try.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 06:01 AM
> To: sel
> Subject: [SEL] Helena, Montana first show
> 
> 
> 
>   Well gang...I guess there is some hope after 
> all.  Friends, Clayton 
> "Willy" Wilhelm and wife Donna got hooked a year 
> or so ago and this weekend 
> they showed their iron at the Lewis & Clark 
> County Fairgrounds.  Great shady 
> setup and while friend Corky and I were there, he 
> had quite a few spectators 
> asking the usual questions.  A great start for 
> Willy and Donna even with 
> just showing the JD, Pig, and a little Fred.  The 
> fairboard will be 
> contacted and will see if they would like to expand.
> 
>   It's time here to seriously consider a 
> club....would appreciate any 
> suggestions, good or bad.  I see nothing wrong 
> with EDGE & TA, although they 
> will not cover liability for individual showings. 
>  Please correct me if I'm 
> wrong.
> 
>   Here's a few photo's of Willy, Donna, and 
> friend Corky.  The first two 
> pictures are at Willy's place, shot a couple 
> months ago...yup, that's his 
> airplane hangar where the bug is.....he builds 
> and flys airplanes...but has 
> recently replaced Aluminum with Cast Iron :-)
> 
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/557273480qakVUp
> 
> Hope ya enjoy and can help us out starting a club....
> 
> Best regards from forest fire country...it is 
> smoky here!!!
> 
> RickinMt.




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 29 06:59:36 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:59:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160707272241t5159908w16a07964db0e6f31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F287335FED5CC8D12FF4DDD95ED0@phx.gbl>

The Cloistered Oyster Brothers will be there as well. We even made hotel 
reservations nearby so we could  haul our loot  easier.  Maybe Glenn can 
auction for Peter and the Oysters! What a shame. Steve


>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
>Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:41:26 +0100
>
>On 28/07/07, David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >         The response that I got to my earlier call for those who will 
>attend
> > the ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction on Thursday evening of the
> > Portland Show was (to say the least) unspectacular! I had only 6
> > responses! Everything runs it's course and then is over--so it is
> > with the dinner and auction. It's sad to let go of it, but so be it!
> > See you all at Portland!
> >         Dave
> >
>
>That's very dissapointing, Dave, and somewhat unusual bearing in mind
>the numbers at previous years.
>
>We will still be going up there on the Thursday evening, it is part of
>the show for us.
>
>Hopefully we will see some of the guys and gals there?
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jul 29 08:25:30 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:25:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
Message-ID: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I'm working on a 4 hp tank-cooled Lister L.  The tank that I'm starting with is
an ordinary 30-gallon drum so I need to put three opening in the sides.  One
each for inlet and outlet pipe nipples and one near the bottom for a
faucet-type drain.

Before I just started hacking away, I figgered I'd tap the collective experience
of the lists.  What have you done that worked well?  What should I avoid?  Any
suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Jul 29 09:20:51 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:20:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
References: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c7d1fc$7317c590$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Talk to Steve (evil), as he has been successful with his methods.
Mike
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From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:25 AM
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed


> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm working on a 4 hp tank-cooled Lister L.  The tank that I'm starting 
> with is
> an ordinary 30-gallon drum so I need to put three opening in the sides. 
> One
> each for inlet and outlet pipe nipples and one near the bottom for a
> faucet-type drain.
>
> Before I just started hacking away, I figgered I'd tap the collective 
> experience
> of the lists.  What have you done that worked well?  What should I avoid? 
> Any
> suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
>
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Jul 29 09:55:48 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:55:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
In-Reply-To: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <047c01c7d201$50561ed0$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Arnie

I have good experience with 22mm compression tank fittings in the UK - these
comprise a threaded stub with backplate and neoprene washer and an external
nut to clamp them to the tank wall, plus the usual compression nut and olive
for the pipe.  They seal up really well and the tank nut only needs to be
done up just over finger-tight.  Picture at
http://www.edirectory.co.uk/pf/880/mia/d/22mm+tank+connector+washer/pid/1418
296 - cheap as chips (french fries) here.  There exist 3/4" BSP versions
that might just mate with an NPT fitting.

Lister used to do it with a 3/4" BSP (like NPT) socket brazed to a
backplate, inserted through a hole in the tank wall and riveted at each
corner.  The whole lot was hot dip galvanised afterwards and I guess the
zinc was what sealed it up properly.

Let me know if you would like any fitting posted to you?  A good site is
http://www.bes.co.uk/ - every kind of pipe fitting known to man....

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> Sent: 29 July 2007 16:26
> To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine
> Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I'm working on a 4 hp tank-cooled Lister L.  The tank that 
> I'm starting with is
> an ordinary 30-gallon drum so I need to put three opening in 
> the sides.  One
> each for inlet and outlet pipe nipples and one near the bottom for a
> faucet-type drain.
> 
> Before I just started hacking away, I figgered I'd tap the 
> collective experience
> of the lists.  What have you done that worked well?  What 
> should I avoid?  Any
> suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> 
> 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 10:28:32 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:28:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F287335FED5CC8D12FF4DDD95ED0@phx.gbl>
References: <6f6025160707272241t5159908w16a07964db0e6f31@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY144-F287335FED5CC8D12FF4DDD95ED0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707291028m193660q3858ec48d6de1794@mail.gmail.com>

On 29/07/07, Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com> wrote:
> The Cloistered Oyster Brothers will be there as well. We even made hotel
> reservations nearby so we could  haul our loot  easier.  Maybe Glenn can
> auction for Peter and the Oysters! What a shame. Steve
>

Let's see how many are still coming, maybe we can still have a mini-dinner!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Sun Jul 29 10:58:25 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:58:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
References: <6f6025160707272241t5159908w16a07964db0e6f31@mail.gmail.com><BAY144-F287335FED5CC8D12FF4DDD95ED0@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160707291028m193660q3858ec48d6de1794@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c7d20a$10dfd940$02e8123f@D8LJ7K91>

Glenn is prepared to retire from his auctioneering profession.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!


> On 29/07/07, Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The Cloistered Oyster Brothers will be there as well. We even made hotel
>> reservations nearby so we could  haul our loot  easier.  Maybe Glenn can
>> auction for Peter and the Oysters! What a shame. Steve
>>
>
> Let's see how many are still coming, maybe we can still have a 
> mini-dinner!
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 29 11:30:52 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:30:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Helena, Montana first show
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOELMFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <835838.64068.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am with Elden here.
Yes, around here we have several engine shows that are easy to drive to.
They are all within the 32 to 72 mile range.

However,,, there is another event that I enjoy too.
At Kalkaska, Michigan, just 13 miles east of me,,,,,, Every year when they have their county fair there is one area where you will find several guys each with several running engines on a trailer.
It doesn't take a club to have fun.  A lot of folks come by and enjoy the engines.
For the next event why don't you take your engines and set up right next to him.
Then just see if others want to join you. There might come a time when the group of you all might want to start a club.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan
BTW, I have been in Helena, Belt and Great Falls too.

Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote: Hi, Smokey.....er, Rick:

I hope you don't make a flaming ash outta yerself!   :-)

Starting a club.............If you're willing to put a lot of effort into it and will have fun in the process, go for it.  

You may also consider just having gatherings at the fairgrounds without having the hassle of managing a club.  I don't know how that would affect insurance, etc. but it would be easier to just have a few of these a year.  I don't know if the Fair Board could help with insurance as a co-sponsor but it may be worth a try.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 06:01 AM
> To: sel
> Subject: [SEL] Helena, Montana first show
> 
> 
> 
>   Well gang...I guess there is some hope after 
> all.  Friends, Clayton 
> "Willy" Wilhelm and wife Donna got hooked a year 
> or so ago and this weekend 
> they showed their iron at the Lewis & Clark 
> County Fairgrounds.  Great shady 
> setup and while friend Corky and I were there, he 
> had quite a few spectators 
> asking the usual questions.  A great start for 
> Willy and Donna even with 
> just showing the JD, Pig, and a little Fred.  The 
> fairboard will be 
> contacted and will see if they would like to expand.
> 
>   It's time here to seriously consider a 
> club....would appreciate any 
> suggestions, good or bad.  I see nothing wrong 
> with EDGE & TA, although they 
> will not cover liability for individual showings. 
>  Please correct me if I'm 
> wrong.
> 
>   Here's a few photo's of Willy, Donna, and 
> friend Corky.  The first two 
> pictures are at Willy's place, shot a couple 
> months ago...yup, that's his 
> airplane hangar where the bug is.....he builds 
> and flys airplanes...but has 
> recently replaced Aluminum with Cast Iron :-)
> 
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/557273480qakVUp
> 
> Hope ya enjoy and can help us out starting a club....
> 
> Best regards from forest fire country...it is 
> smoky here!!!
> 
> RickinMt.


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From rwenig at telus.net  Sun Jul 29 09:45:20 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:45:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
In-Reply-To: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <46ACC420.1010602@telus.net>

Hello Arnie,
	Most drums I've seen have a 3/4" and a 2" bung on the top. Pipe thread 
will fit either opening. My suggestion is to use the 3/4 opening for 
your full outlet and the larger opening for the filler and vent. No 
drilling, cutting or welding that way and best of all no danger of any 
surprises from any stray fumes that might still be inside the drum.
	Full the drum with water before you drill/cut or weld a drain if you 
really want to install a drain in the bottom. Course, you knew that.
	Actually, I think a small drum type tank mounted on it's side looks 
quite neat. A smaller drum may look better for small engine.

Rupert

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I'm working on a 4 hp tank-cooled Lister L.  The tank that I'm starting with is
> an ordinary 30-gallon drum so I need to put three opening in the sides.  One
> each for inlet and outlet pipe nipples and one near the bottom for a
> faucet-type drain.
> 
> Before I just started hacking away, I figgered I'd tap the collective experience
> of the lists.  What have you done that worked well?  What should I avoid?  Any
> suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> 
> 
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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jul 29 12:52:02 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:52:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer verses Minwax Wood Hardener
References: <739076.66449.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004601c7d219$f0d477e0$20d94c0c@D48VHZ61>

Next time I see him I'll ask what brand it is he uses. I know when he runs 
into serious problems he reccomends hiring a carpenter to fix the problem 
instead of patching if at all possible.
 I'll keep the KP in mind if I should need to patch up some woodwork.

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 3:25 PM
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer verses Minwax Wood Hardener


> Hi John,
>
> I am pretty sure you are talking about Minwax Wood Hardener.
> I have used the stuff.  I was not at all satisfied.  Kwik Poly will do a 
> better job a whole lot faster and I am very sure it will last longer.
>
> I just went here,,,,
> http://www.epinions.com/content_171240230532
>
> It is one person's opinion about how great Minwax Wood Hardener is.
>
> Maybe I should write an opinion for them too.
>
> I brushed that product into a badly rotted window sill at my mom's house. 
> I kept at it until the wood wouldn't hold any more.   It seemed okay after 
> it dried and I covered it with aluminum and went on.  Two years later I 
> checked that area out and there was nothing under the aluminum.
>
> A year later I ripped the whole window out so now instead of a picture 
> window in the dining room she has two double hung windows mulled together 
> with tilt in sashes that are easy for her to wash.
>
> This is my opinion.  Do what you want and form your own opinion.  8>))
>
> Alan Bowen
>
>
> John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote: There is actually a product 
> made for strengthening rotten wood. A painter
> friend of mine showed it to me, he keeps it in the truck to repair water
> damage if not too severe. I believe he has to get it from paint stores, I
> don't know if the big home improvement stores would carry it. I'm thinking
> it may have been made by Minwax or Formby's, but don't hold me to it.
>
> John Hall
> .
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Bowen"
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:14 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer Color ?
>
>
>>> Seems like I remember someone using Kwik Poly to harden up and repair a
>>> rotted wooden leg on a corn sheller or mill of some kind a few years
>>> back.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alan Bowen
>> Williamsburg, Michigan
>>
>
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 14:26:26 2007
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:26:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
References: <D3F60641-3A4B-4310-983B-6E67A31052C7@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c7d227$2108a280$42b0e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi All,
        Sorry to see the above has been cancelled , it is 3 years since I 
attended and was really looking forward to going again.
  See you at Portland.
   Craig in Scotland
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:28 AM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!


> Hi All,
> The response that I got to my earlier call for those who will attend
> the ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction on Thursday evening of the
> Portland Show was (to say the least) unspectacular! I had only 6
> responses! Everything runs it's course and then is over--so it is
> with the dinner and auction. It's sad to let go of it, but so be it!
> See you all at Portland!
> Dave
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jul 29 15:19:35 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:19:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
In-Reply-To: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <5B8F51B6-BEAF-496F-80EB-CE111BDB903E@alltel.net>

NIPPLES UP my friend!
	Dave

On Jul 29, 2007, at 11:25 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm working on a 4 hp tank-cooled Lister L.  The tank that I'm  
> starting with is
> an ordinary 30-gallon drum so I need to put three opening in the  
> sides.  One
> each for inlet and outlet pipe nipples and one near the bottom for a
> faucet-type drain.
>
> Before I just started hacking away, I figgered I'd tap the  
> collective experience
> of the lists.  What have you done that worked well?  What should I  
> avoid?  Any
> suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> See ya,  Arnie


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 29 17:05:08 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:05:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
In-Reply-To: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F24542A40BE9EEFBBF650E395EE0@phx.gbl>

Hello Arnie, I just finished one on the McVickers and I used floor flanges. 
For the bottom (flat) drain I just drilled the tank and put two back to back 
with EPDM (rubber roofing) gaskets and brass screws, then screwed in the 
drain.  For the curved sides of the tank I ground the radius  of the tank 
into the floor  flange for the exterior and ran the tap as far into it as it 
would go. Then on the inside I sawed the threaded part off the flange to use 
as a nut and ground the inside radius on what was left to use as a backing 
plate. I sawed the tank with a metal cuting hole saw. I bolted them together 
again with EPDM gaskets and brass screws. Then ran my pipe through the two 
pieces and tightened it with the "nut". It  was fairly quick and doesn't 
leak and  used what was laying around the shop. Steve


>From: fero_ah at city-net.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        
>Old_Engine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
>Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:25:30 -0400
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I'm working on a 4 hp tank-cooled Lister L.  The tank that I'm starting 
>with is
>an ordinary 30-gallon drum so I need to put three opening in the sides.  
>One
>each for inlet and outlet pipe nipples and one near the bottom for a
>faucet-type drain.
>
>Before I just started hacking away, I figgered I'd tap the collective 
>experience
>of the lists.  What have you done that worked well?  What should I avoid?  
>Any
>suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 18:47:48 2007
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:47:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer verses Minwax Wood Hardener
In-Reply-To: <004601c7d219$f0d477e0$20d94c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <739076.66449.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<004601c7d219$f0d477e0$20d94c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0707291847q702b9c81ya457f75635fc7dac@mail.gmail.com>

I've been using epoxy to repair rotten wood for years. (The first epoxy I
used was in 1962) I get a brand called "West Systems" from a boat supply
store and have used "Smith's" also. You are replacing missing wood cells
with plastic.
There are many types available designed for many things. Quick Poly is a
good example of a special purpose chemical.

Do some on-line research, but basically: most epoxies will seal anything
they stick to but are not necessarily chemical resistant.  Thin epoxy is
best for wood rot because of the penetration. If you coat the wood with
denatured alcohol it will kill the fungus that causes the rot. You can also
use the alchol to thin the epoxy for better penetration but it make the
epoxy weaker. That's not good for structural members, but fine for windows
and such.

That's the basics and much more info is available on-line.

Paul
Repair guy in SanFran



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sun Jul 29 19:05:17 2007
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:05:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F287335FED5CC8D12FF4DDD95ED0@phx.gbl>
References: <6f6025160707272241t5159908w16a07964db0e6f31@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY144-F287335FED5CC8D12FF4DDD95ED0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200707292210792.SM05184@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com>

We have to check our son Isaac into Indiana University on Wednesday 
the week of Portland. So, we weren't sure what our Portland plans 
were going to be.  With any luck we hope to make it to Portland on 
Thursday.  If you still have the dinner put us down for 4 or 5 people.
Keith



Keith Kinney
Evansville, Indiana  USA
www.HerculesEngines.com 



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 30 05:51:12 2007
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:51:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
References: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <007d01c7d2a8$4f4e03c0$6701a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


 One thing I ran into is 55's pinholing pretty quick .
 I use the  floor flange as well . 
 


From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Mon Jul 30 01:22:36 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent tamatea)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:22:36 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer verses Minwax Wood Hardener
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0707291847q702b9c81ya457f75635fc7dac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOIEILCAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>

Paul good info on the epoxies i also am a repair guy hadnt thought of
denatured alcohol we call that methylated spirits here for fungus control i
have a window to repair so will try the method out.brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of P. Johns
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:48 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer verses Minwax Wood Hardener


I've been using epoxy to repair rotten wood for years. (The first epoxy I
used was in 1962) I get a brand called "West Systems" from a boat supply
store and have used "Smith's" also. You are replacing missing wood cells
with plastic.
There are many types available designed for many things. Quick Poly is a
good example of a special purpose chemical.

Do some on-line research, but basically: most epoxies will seal anything
they stick to but are not necessarily chemical resistant.  Thin epoxy is
best for wood rot because of the penetration. If you coat the wood with
denatured alcohol it will kill the fungus that causes the rot. You can also
use the alchol to thin the epoxy for better penetration but it make the
epoxy weaker. That's not good for structural members, but fine for windows
and such.

That's the basics and much more info is available on-line.

Paul
Repair guy in SanFran

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From jdragoset at galvotec.com  Mon Jul 30 06:57:58 2007
From: jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:57:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
Message-ID: <LJENJGOEJJENFCJNAJBGKEHOHFAA.jdragoset@galvotec.com>

Someone just dropped off a pair of spoked flywheels on a crankshaft.
Cast into each flywheel is "ZAC13F5".
Any ideas?
Jim Dragoset


From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jul 30 09:58:32 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:58:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <LJENJGOEJJENFCJNAJBGKEHOHFAA.jdragoset@galvotec.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEMKFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Diameter?  Width?

Could be ZC series Fairbanks-Morse.  If they're the heavy ZC52 wheels, I could be interested if the price is right (and not located on the moon!).

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim
> Dragoset
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 08:58 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
> 
> 
> Someone just dropped off a pair of spoked 
> flywheels on a crankshaft.
> Cast into each flywheel is "ZAC13F5".
> Any ideas?
> Jim Dragoset
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From jdragoset at galvotec.com  Mon Jul 30 10:50:17 2007
From: jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:50:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEMKFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <LJENJGOEJJENFCJNAJBGGEIKHFAA.jdragoset@galvotec.com>

Elden,
16-3/4" Diameter, 1-3/4" Wide, 1/2" Key, 1-3/8" Shaft Diameter,  5/8" Pinch
Bolt,
Six Straight Spokes with Three machined flat and drilled.
The crank is bent at the gear end, likely into the web.
Location is New Orleans but I do work in Wood River, IL several times a year
and drive up.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Elden DuRand [mailto:edurand at mchsi.com]
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:59 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft


Diameter?  Width?

Could be ZC series Fairbanks-Morse.  If they're the heavy ZC52 wheels, I
could be interested if the price is right (and not located on the moon!).

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim
> Dragoset
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 08:58 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
>
>
> Someone just dropped off a pair of spoked
> flywheels on a crankshaft.
> Cast into each flywheel is "ZAC13F5".
> Any ideas?
> Jim Dragoset
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jul 30 14:24:55 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:24:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <LJENJGOEJJENFCJNAJBGGEIKHFAA.jdragoset@galvotec.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEMMFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jim:

Your wheels are an inch narrower and 1" larger in diameter than the ones I'm looking for.  I'll bet they'll fit many F-M Z's in the 3hp range.

Other than the fact that they are the "lightweight" wheels, they would fit.

Thanks for the trouble, but I can't use 'em.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim
> Dragoset
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:50 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
> 
> 
> Elden,
> 16-3/4" Diameter, 1-3/4" Wide, 1/2" Key, 1-3/8" 
> Shaft Diameter,  5/8" Pinch
> Bolt,
> Six Straight Spokes with Three machined flat and drilled.
> The crank is bent at the gear end, likely into the web.
> Location is New Orleans but I do work in Wood 
> River, IL several times a year
> and drive up.
> Jim




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Jul 31 04:01:06 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:01:06 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old engine express hauling needed
Message-ID: <073120071101.25539.46AF16720000E240000063C3219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Sure could use some help hauling a engine from Baraboo show to Portland show.
The engine is a 8hp Foos on skids, weight approx 1100lb, length of skids 6ft 
height 57".  Will help with gas money.  Please contact asap.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
McConnell, Ill.
815-868-2457  home/office
815-238-7316  cell (leave voice msg)


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Jul 31 13:33:02 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:33:02 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
Message-ID: <073120072033.17730.46AF9C7E0006620400004542219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

I am looking for a source for 32 volt light bulbs for my Delco light plant.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul 31 14:32:52 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:32:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <073120072033.17730.46AF9C7E0006620400004542219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <073120072033.17730.46AF9C7E0006620400004542219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707311731010.52256@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

Try these guys... 15, 25, 50, 75, and 100 watt x 32 volt, screw base.
http://www.sailorsams.com/mall/abi-a17-screw-base-light-bulbs.asp

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> I am looking for a source for 32 volt light bulbs for my Delco light plant.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> thank you in advance.



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 14:26:23 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:26:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <073120072033.17730.46AF9C7E0006620400004542219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <326614.95466.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Curt, Is that an auto start Delco?
I am looking for cash to but one right now.

Thanks for the web page, Arnie.

Alan Bowen

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: I am looking for a source for 32 volt light bulbs for my Delco light plant.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 15:02:51 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:02:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <326614.95466.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Guys,
  What are you doing for batteries for the 32 volt system? I also got one and have had it for several years but never run it.
  Ron

Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  Hi Curt, Is that an auto start Delco?
I am looking for cash to but one right now.

Thanks for the web page, Arnie.

Alan Bowen

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: I am looking for a source for 32 volt light bulbs for my Delco light plant.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
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From JR504 at aol.com  Tue Jul 31 15:20:54 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:20:54 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
Message-ID: <d2b.116f930f.33e10fc6@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/31/2007 6:03:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ron217_2000 at yahoo.com writes:

Hi  Guys,
What are you doing for batteries for the 32 volt system? I  also got one and 
have had it for several years but never run it.
Ron



Just run three 12V batteries.  It's no problem.  Delcos can  make over 48V 
wthout a problem, so making them charge 37.8 volts is fine(12.6 X  3).  Recently 
I started using 12V Gel Cells, or 12V 7AH AGM batteries  instead of car 
batteries.  They're much cheaper and WAY easier to lug  around.  I keep a volt 
meter on them to make sure they don't  overcharge.  When the voltage climbs I turn 
on my scroll saw for a while  and just run the lights when it dips.
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul 31 16:06:06 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:06:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707311902370.52256@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Ron,

I got my Delco light plant from Nels Johnsrud.  He just hooked up three
12-volt batteries and setup a really neat electrical load.  He made three
big fan boxes with 12-volt auto radiator fans.  Plug 'em all in and you've
got a nice load AND a REALLY nice breeze for a hot day at the show.

It works really well.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:

> What are you doing for batteries for the 32 volt system? I also got one
> and have had it for several years but never run it.



From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Tue Jul 31 15:50:07 2007
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:50:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <326614.95466.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7d3c5$284977f0$78dc67d0$@net.au>

ON my Delco 600 I only ever use 3 2nd hand 12 volt car batteries from the
battery retailer. They never cost me anything and I take them back at the
end of the show and they recycle them. They are good enough to start the
Delco, and I run a load close to the output of the generator, and it runs
for hours as long as I put fuel in it

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost,
Kersey, PA
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 8:03
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant

Hi Guys,
  What are you doing for batteries for the 32 volt system? I also got one
and have had it for several years but never run it.
  Ron



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul 31 15:57:50 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:57:50 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
References: <504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707311902370.52256@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001501c7d3c6$39f91900$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant


> Hi Ron,
> I got my Delco light plant from Nels Johnsrud.  He just hooked up three
> 12-volt batteries and setup a really neat electrical load.  He made three
> big fan boxes with 12-volt auto radiator fans.  Plug 'em all in and you've
> got a nice load AND a REALLY nice breeze for a hot day at the show.
> It works really well.
> See ya,  Arnie

Hi Arnie, are you still trying to blow up young ladies skirts for your pleasures?
8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 16:07:30 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:07:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <473412.96873.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the battery tips guys. Sure will be nice to be able to use 12 volters. I'll have to give them a try. Will let you know what happens.  
  Ron
o.com> wrote:
  Hi Guys,
What are you doing for batteries for the 32 volt system? I also got one and have had it for several years but never run it.
Ron

Alan Bowen wrote:
Hi Curt, Is that an auto start Delco?
I am looking for cash to but one right now.

Thanks for the web page, Arnie.

Alan Bowen

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: I am looking for a source for 32 volt light bulbs for my Delco light plant.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 16:55:20 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:55:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <473412.96873.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <461612.75323.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

All these replies and not one person says,"Yup, It's an auto-start toy."

The one I am trying to buy is a cool display.
My friend that has been showing it lets it sit in his trailer.
Then he has a cute little power hacksaw with an electric motor belted to it.
He also has a fan and a lamp.
Close inspection would show you that all that it 32 Volt stuff.
Folks come by and ask to see something run and he just tells them to flip the switch.
They flip the switch and nothing happens there, but that engine thing on the trailer is starting,,,,,, Hey, The light is on now,,,, How did that happen???
He doesn't have a 100 Watt light bulb so if they choose to flip the light switch he has a hidden switch for the saw.  He told me the auto start system wants at least 100 Watts to kick in.

What is a good price to offer for this Delco?  It comes with the saw, light, fan, some extra bulbs and one or two more 32 Volt motors.

BTW,,  A couple days ago I was on smokestak  and saw a link about Delco stuff.
That page said to use two 12 Volt batteries and one 8 Volt battery to get 32 Volts.  I still haven't checked out the source mentioned to buy 8 Volt batteries though.

Alan Bowen

"Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks for the battery tips guys. Sure will be nice to be able to use 12 volters. I'll have to give them a try. Will let you know what happens.  
  Ron
o.com> wrote:
  Hi Guys,
What are you doing for batteries for the 32 volt system? I also got one and have had it for several years but never run it.
Ron

Alan Bowen wrote:
Hi Curt, Is that an auto start Delco?
I am looking for cash to but one right now.

Thanks for the web page, Arnie.

Alan Bowen

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: I am looking for a source for 32 volt light bulbs for my Delco light plant.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
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From JR504 at aol.com  Tue Jul 31 18:05:02 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:05:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
Message-ID: <d30.1158fca0.33e1363e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/31/2007 8:04:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:

That  page said to use two 12 Volt batteries and one 8 Volt battery to get 32 
 Volts.  I still haven't checked out the source mentioned to buy 8 Volt  
batteries though.



The problem with using two 12V + 8V (or 6V) batteries is that it is pretty  
much impossible to find batteries with the same internal resistance.  Same  
goes for using 3 different types of 12V batteries.  You are charging them  in 
series, so if the internal resistance is different the voltage drops  across them 
will all be different.  One battery can overcharge and one not  charge much 
at all.  Even though it might not sound like that's possible,  try measuring 
the voltage across each battery as the light plant is  running.  Let's say the 
light plant is charging 39V.  That's 13V  each.  If the batteries are different 
I've witnessed voltage drops from  10V-17V...one discharging (if it was 
charged) and one being overccharged.  
 
Also, as Arnie mentioned, any 3 identical 12V gadgets can be wired in  series 
and will run quite nicely on a light plant.  
 
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From ddotto at cableone.net  Tue Jul 31 18:54:27 2007
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:54:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Governor Project
In-Reply-To: <d30.1158fca0.33e1363e@aol.com>
References: <d30.1158fca0.33e1363e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000101c7d3de$e4e63100$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM>


Hi Everyone

Well it has been pretty quiet lately and I have wanting to post some
pictures of a governor that I made this spring. So here there they are. This
governor is for my eternal 3hp Falk project. I have been pretty busy and
haven't had any time to work on it for a couple of months now.
 
I just keep plugging away at it and maybe I will get it running someday, I
have come a long ways, but when I look at what is left to do I realize that
I may not make it this year.

Oh well.

Dave

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/560101196BNUNui

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA




From reb1952 at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul 31 19:17:47 2007
From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:17:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
References: <d30.1158fca0.33e1363e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c7d3e2$276468f0$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F>

Most farm supplies around here have 8 volt batteries, lot of folks replace 6
volts with the 8 volts on old tractors and cars.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JR504 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant


>
> In a message dated 7/31/2007 8:04:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:
>
> That  page said to use two 12 Volt batteries and one 8 Volt battery to get
32
>  Volts.  I still haven't checked out the source mentioned to buy 8 Volt
> batteries though.
>
>
>
> The problem with using two 12V + 8V (or 6V) batteries is that it is pretty
> much impossible to find batteries with the same internal resistance.  Same
> goes for using 3 different types of 12V batteries.  You are charging them
in
> series, so if the internal resistance is different the voltage drops
across them
> will all be different.  One battery can overcharge and one not  charge
much
> at all.  Even though it might not sound like that's possible,  try
measuring
> the voltage across each battery as the light plant is  running.  Let's say
the
> light plant is charging 39V.  That's 13V  each.  If the batteries are
different
> I've witnessed voltage drops from  10V-17V...one discharging (if it was
> charged) and one being overccharged.
>
> Also, as Arnie mentioned, any 3 identical 12V gadgets can be wired in
series
> and will run quite nicely on a light plant.
>
> Joe
>
>
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From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Tue Jul 31 20:32:39 2007
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:32:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Governor Project
In-Reply-To: <000101c7d3de$e4e63100$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM>
References: <d30.1158fca0.33e1363e@aol.com>
	<000101c7d3de$e4e63100$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <000601c7d3ec$9cf08720$020ba8c0@Waynexp>

Greetings Dave,

The governor is absolutely beautiful! You do very nice work and I enjoyed
looking at the different steps you took in the process. If I'm going through
Boise on my way to Lauren's sometime I would like to stop and visit. Keep us
posted on the progress.

Wayne A Thackery
Keizer, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Otto
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Governor Project


Hi Everyone

Well it has been pretty quiet lately and I have wanting to post some
pictures of a governor that I made this spring. So here there they are. This
governor is for my eternal 3hp Falk project. I have been pretty busy and
haven't had any time to work on it for a couple of months now.
 
I just keep plugging away at it and maybe I will get it running someday, I
have come a long ways, but when I look at what is left to do I realize that
I may not make it this year.

Oh well.

Dave

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/560101196BNUNui

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jul  1 01:44:07 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:44:07 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
References: <bc9.15045cfa.33b85663@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005701c7bbbc$017f3c70$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Bill ,I had the same problem with a 4 HP Cooper .When I tried the 
conventional method of getting the Gib Head Key out the head just snapped 
off ,the metal was crystallised. I welded a NF x 5/8 bolt to the remains of 
the key ,set up some spacers and wound her up ....still no movement. I then 
tried what you should not do ,used some Fox wedges between the flywheel hub 
and the bearing cover .....this combined method worked, a bit at a time !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.


> Hey Men,
>
> I got a problem, I needed a flywheel for a 1 3/4S Hercules so I bought a
> Hercules block with crankshaft and both flywheels,  At the SIAM show, I 
> got  one
> flywheel off the shaft, it just had a regular square key in the flywheel 
> but
> the other one has a tapered key driven in the keyway, with no hook on the 
> end
> of  the key to pull it out, I clamped some Vise Grips on the key and tried 
> to
> pull  it out but the VG's just slipped off the key, I haven't asked for 
> any
> help in a  little while but I sure need some now from you experienced 
> mechanics,
> also the  flywheel's on my old engine just round over on the inside of the
> outer rim of  the flywheel  Serial NO. 326214, where the inside edge of 
> the rim
> on the  flywheel's I bought at the SIAM show made a step down before it 
> got to
> the  spokes, Ser. No. 375731. Will these Flywheel's interchange?  I put up
> three  pictures on my Diesel List, I will list a address to the first one 
> then
> click on  the blue arrow at the top right corner of picture to go to the 
> next
> pic.
>
> _http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=32220_
> (http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=32220)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller
> Memphis, TN.
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jul  1 01:45:19 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:45:19 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <005d01c7bbbc$2e7f9f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Yes he is Glen ...........when you find out let me know !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info


> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure it's 
> the
> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't find 
> a
> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find a 
> plate
> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it might 
> be?
>
> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a 
> reply as
> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>
> Cheers, glen.
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From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 03:24:54 2007
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 03:24:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
In-Reply-To: <bc9.15045cfa.33b85663@aol.com>
Message-ID: <341704.82227.qm@web59209.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hey Bill, Hi from Bill Young in Japan.  Same problem.  Welder, slide hammer, a couple taps and out she comes.  My slide hammer ( home made ) has one end threaded for 1/2 bolts.  Grind some 1/2 material so it will weld to the key.  Screw into slide hammer and whack away.  Worked every time for me.  The penetrants and a little heat guarantee success for the really stuck ones.




From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 03:34:44 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 03:34:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
In-Reply-To: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <226220.85517.qm@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day Glen

Mine is a late model SC (1954) and I am sure the
serial number is on the face of the flywheel will
check tomorrow if needed.
Mine is also fitted with a N1L magy.
Mine also has Southern Cross cast into fly wheel.

see
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Southern.html


Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW









--- Glen Harris <astfgl at iamnota.org> wrote:

> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper.
> I'm pretty sure it's the 
> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake
> casting, but I can't find a 
> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas
> N1L.G, but I can't find a plate 
> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone
> suggest where it might be?
> 
> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions,
> but haven't had a reply as 
> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the
> Register?
> 
> Cheers, glen.
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>
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Jul  1 08:29:02 2007
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:29:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Design (Check This Out)
In-Reply-To: <001501c7ba53$0687bf40$690c454b@Desktop>
References: <001501c7ba53$0687bf40$690c454b@Desktop>
Message-ID: <0JKI00A6OB1D2EM4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:40 AM 6/29/2007, you wrote:
>The idea of getting more spark to the combustible mix was also 
>promoted by using two plugs at once;  a series plug installed 
>opposite a standard plug (the hot lead ran through the series plug, 
>then hard wired to the standard plug) allowed simultaneous ignition 
>on opposite sides of the cylinder;  on some big L-head or T-head 
>engines, where RPM was high and combustion chamber large, the 
>concept had merit.

Kind of like the Ford 2.3L I4 engine that had 2 spark plugs per 
cylinder.  The ONLY thing it accomplished was making it take twice as 
long to change the plugs.....

-Tony



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Sun Jul  1 06:08:15 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 08:08:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
References: <c3d.179746dc.33b86b11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c7bbe0$e404b290$4aa8123f@D8LJ7K91>

Bill,

The older style rim was most common on the engines built before serial # 
300,xxx; however, there is no clear cut off date.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.


> Hey Glen and Paul,
>
> Glen was that style flywheel's mainly used on the older 1 1/2 HP  engines.
>
> Paul, I do have a welder but I am not that good at welding, but I have a
> young man two doors down the street that is a good welder, that has been 
> known
> to do some welding for me LOL.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller.
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jul  1 16:10:40 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:10:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V owners and others -  Help needed from you Gurus please
Message-ID: <003101c7bc35$57c97ea0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

I need help from our List Gurus please on this one.

An R&V Register member has bought a 2hp R&V Vertical that has been modified 
in Argentina, one modification I believe is the head.
All the R&V Vertical Engines I have seen have the exhaust rocker bracket 
cast as part of the head. This has a bolt on bracket, the head is squarer on 
the edges not rounded and there is njo ignitor hole.
In the complete photo it has two pushrods instead of only the exhaust rocker 
and atmospheric inlet.
In the top photo, near the pushrod, there is a stud and nut in the head and 
above that a hole. In that hole was a spark plug

Can anyone tell me what engine this head is off please. Click on link below.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jul  1 16:31:18 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:31:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V owners and others - Help needed from you Gurus please
References: <003101c7bc35$57c97ea0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <004201c7bc37$ed25d050$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi All
One other comment, the exhasut rocker has 1608 cast into it which is not 
R&V, what is it off.?
Also the water pump pulley has 1981 cast into it.
Any ideas on these numbers.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



> Hi all
>
> I need help from our List Gurus please on this one.
>
> An R&V Register member has bought a 2hp R&V Vertical that has been 
> modified in Argentina, one modification I believe is the head.
> All the R&V Vertical Engines I have seen have the exhaust rocker bracket 
> cast as part of the head. This has a bolt on bracket, the head is squarer 
> on the edges not rounded and there is njo ignitor hole.
> In the complete photo it has two pushrods instead of only the exhaust 
> rocker and atmospheric inlet.
> In the top photo, near the pushrod, there is a stud and nut in the head 
> and above that a hole. In that hole was a spark plug
>
> Can anyone tell me what engine this head is off please. Click on link 
> below.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
>
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> 



From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Jul  1 17:50:26 2007
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:50:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)
References: <002e01c7b85c$2a21d1f0$210110ac@service>
	<00f001c7b8a5$0d6c1450$28443cf0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <00a301c7bc42$fd0eaf90$210110ac@service>

Thanks Ray, i have now removed the broken pin, it drilled out easily, i will 
keep in mind the spark eroder if i have any other problems, cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R and E Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Questions IHC & Stewart (Cooper)


> Chester,with the the fuel pump pin if it won't come out bring it to me and 
> I
> can spark erode it out for you. Mates rates for old engine work.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth WA
>
> 



From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Jul  1 18:07:04 2007
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:07:04 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <00ab01c7bc45$4fbe8600$210110ac@service>

Hi Glen, i have a Buzzacott pumper the engine number is stamped on the end 
of crankshaft at the flywheel end, there is a cover with a screw that you 
remove to read it, dont know if others are the same, cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info


> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure it's 
> the
> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't find 
> a
> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find a 
> plate
> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it might 
> be?
>
> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a 
> reply as
> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>
> Cheers, glen.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jul  1 19:50:11 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:50:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine info wanted
Message-ID: <00b401c7bc53$b57d8c80$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

To add to my previous post, do any of the small hp (2hp) International 
Vertical enginesor others have bolt on rocker brackets.?

I am trying to find an answer to this:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
what head is it off????

Peter, Oz




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jul  1 20:03:07 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:03:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine info wanted
Message-ID: <200707020303.l623377a017811@bn3.blue.net>


Peter,
    It doesn't look IH to me but I'm not the IH expert.  Hopefully
someone will know what it is.

Tommy Turner


-------- Original Message --------

==> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
==> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:50:11  1000

Hi all

To add to my previous post, do any of the small hp (2hp)
International
Vertical enginesor others have bolt on rocker brackets.?

I am trying to find an answer to this:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
what head is it off????

Peter, Oz

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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jul  1 20:11:42 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:11:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Moving Help Needed - CA to KY or somewhere in between
Message-ID: <200707020311.l623Bgr1029767@bn3.blue.net>

I posted an ad on Harry's but never heard anything so I though I'd
give the SEL a try.  I have a parts engine located in California near
Modesto that needs hauling to KY or somewhere headed east toward me. 
If anyone in that area will be headed this way or will be traveling
to
that area of CA and could haul it, I'd be glad to pay you hansomely
for your fuel and effort.  I have checked and can go the Yellow
Freight route and its not as expensive as I thought.  But, I'd rather
have an engine guy (or gal) hauling it..... I've seen some of those
guys get a bit wild at the loading docks with forklifts and I want
both flywheels to arrive intact!  The engine is 5 HP and I guess the
parts that are there will weigh about 1000 lbs.  If anyone can help,
please let me know!  Thanks!!

Tommy Turner



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jul  1 21:02:16 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:02:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V owners and others - Help needed from you Gurus please
In-Reply-To: <003101c7bc35$57c97ea0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <20070702040214.QLNJ3831.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Only a guess, but it looks a bit like a vertical Alamo head.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----
Hi all

I need help from our List Gurus please on this one.

An R&V Register member has bought a 2hp R&V Vertical that has been modified 
in Argentina, one modification I believe is the head.
All the R&V Vertical Engines I have seen have the exhaust rocker bracket 
cast as part of the head. This has a bolt on bracket, the head is squarer on

the edges not rounded and there is njo ignitor hole.
In the complete photo it has two pushrods instead of only the exhaust rocker

and atmospheric inlet.
In the top photo, near the pushrod, there is a stud and nut in the head and 
above that a hole. In that hole was a spark plug

Can anyone tell me what engine this head is off please. Click on link below.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm





From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jul  1 21:17:22 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:17:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V owners and others - Help needed from you Gurus please
References: <20070702040214.QLNJ3831.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000e01c7bc5f$e3aded50$0601a8c0@altech>

Anyone got any photos of one please.

Peter, Oz




> Only a guess, but it looks a bit like a vertical Alamo head.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> -----Original Message-----
> Hi all
>
> I need help from our List Gurus please on this one.
>
> An R&V Register member has bought a 2hp R&V Vertical that has been 
> modified
> in Argentina, one modification I believe is the head.
> All the R&V Vertical Engines I have seen have the exhaust rocker bracket
> cast as part of the head. This has a bolt on bracket, the head is squarer 
> on
>
> the edges not rounded and there is njo ignitor hole.
> In the complete photo it has two pushrods instead of only the exhaust 
> rocker
>
> and atmospheric inlet.
> In the top photo, near the pushrod, there is a stud and nut in the head 
> and
> above that a hole. In that hole was a spark plug
>
> Can anyone tell me what engine this head is off please. Click on link 
> below.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From astfgl at iamnota.org  Sun Jul  1 21:30:28 2007
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:30:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
In-Reply-To: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org>

Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft - 5853 - but there's no 
sign of anything on the flywheel.

Thanks, glen.

Glen Harris wrote:
> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure it's the 
> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't find a 
> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find a plate 
> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it might be?
> 
> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a reply as 
> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
> 
> Cheers, glen.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Jul  1 22:17:02 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:17:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engine Moving Help Needed - CA to KY or somewhere in
	between
In-Reply-To: <200707020311.l623Bgr1029767@bn3.blue.net>
Message-ID: <20070702051705.D7AE2239461@mx-in02.iad.mail-abuse.org>

Hi, Tommy,  I'm going to go to two auctions at the end of Aug/Sept. They are
both Nixon auctions. Shurman-Parish ,one in Wash. ,one south of Modesto. If
any of your "DEEP POCKET" friends are coming out for the auctions  ,I'd go
pick it up and hand it off  to them. CYA, Jimmy O'  415 892 0236

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of tommy turner
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:12 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Engine Moving Help Needed - CA to KY or somewhere in between

I posted an ad on Harry's but never heard anything so I though I'd
give the SEL a try.  I have a parts engine located in California near
Modesto that needs hauling to KY or somewhere headed east toward me. 
If anyone in that area will be headed this way or will be traveling
to
that area of CA and could haul it, I'd be glad to pay you hansomely
for your fuel and effort.  I have checked and can go the Yellow
Freight route and its not as expensive as I thought.  But, I'd rather
have an engine guy (or gal) hauling it..... I've seen some of those
guys get a bit wild at the loading docks with forklifts and I want
both flywheels to arrive intact!  The engine is 5 HP and I guess the
parts that are there will weigh about 1000 lbs.  If anyone can help,
please let me know!  Thanks!!

Tommy Turner

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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sun Jul  1 22:28:40 2007
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:28:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V owners and others - Help needed from you Gurus please
Message-ID: <46888d08.8c.4942.2047420790@netspeed.com.au>

Heres a link to a vertical Alamo that belong to Edd  thats
on patricks Page  

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/eddsengines.html


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] R&V owners and others - Help needed from
you Gurus please
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:17:22 +1000

> Anyone got any photos of one please.
> 
> Peter, Oz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Only a guess, but it looks a bit like a vertical Alamo
> head. >
> > Patrick M Livingstone
> > Leichhardt NSW
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Hi all
> >
> > I need help from our List Gurus please on this one.
> >
> > An R&V Register member has bought a 2hp R&V Vertical
> > that has been  modified
> > in Argentina, one modification I believe is the head.
> > All the R&V Vertical Engines I have seen have the
> > exhaust rocker bracket cast as part of the head. This
> > has a bolt on bracket, the head is squarer  on
> >
> > the edges not rounded and there is njo ignitor hole.
> > In the complete photo it has two pushrods instead of
> > only the exhaust  rocker
> >
> > and atmospheric inlet.
> > In the top photo, near the pushrod, there is a stud and
> > nut in the head  and
> > above that a hole. In that hole was a spark plug
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what engine this head is off please.
> > Click on link  below.
> >
> >
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jul  1 22:56:13 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:56:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V owners and others - Help needed from you Gurus please
References: <46888d08.8c.4942.2047420790@netspeed.com.au>
Message-ID: <000b01c7bc6d$b2e7c7a0$0601a8c0@altech>

Close Brock but the valves are in the wrong place
Peter




> Heres a link to a vertical Alamo that belong to Edd  thats
> on patricks Page  
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/eddsengines.html
> 
> Brock

> 
>> Anyone got any photos of one please.
>> 
>> Peter, Oz
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > Only a guess, but it looks a bit like a vertical Alamo




>> > Hi all
>> >
>> > I need help from our List Gurus please on this one.
>> >
>> > An R&V Register member has bought a 2hp R&V Vertical
>> > that has been  modified
>> > in Argentina, one modification I believe is the head.
>> > All the R&V Vertical Engines I have seen have the
>> > exhaust rocker bracket cast as part of the head. This
>> > has a bolt on bracket, the head is squarer  on
>> >
>> > the edges not rounded and there is njo ignitor hole.
>> > In the complete photo it has two pushrods instead of
>> > only the exhaust  rocker
>> >
>> > and atmospheric inlet.
>> > In the top photo, near the pushrod, there is a stud and
>> > nut in the head  and
>> > above that a hole. In that hole was a spark plug
>> >
>> > Can anyone tell me what engine this head is off please.
>> > Click on link  below.
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm



From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 23:12:57 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:12:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
In-Reply-To: <46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <926869.34254.qm@web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day Glen

5853 dates in at 1938


Kerry
Lithgow NSW Oz


> Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft
> - 5853 - but there's no 
> sign of anything on the flywheel.
> 



 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jul  2 04:48:35 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 21:48:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Have I got you all stumped !!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <00ce01c7bc9e$ec980970$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all 

There has been a deathly silence on this one, have I got you all stumped ?

http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm

What is the head off ??????????? the engine is R&V.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jul  2 04:52:37 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:52:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Moving Help Needed - CA to KY or somewhere in
	between
Message-ID: <200707021152.l62Bqb4w006845@bn3.blue.net>

Thanks Jimmy.  I'll see if I can find someone headed that way!

Tommy Turner


-------- Original Message --------

==> From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
==> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:17:02 -0700

Hi, Tommy,  I'm going to go to two auctions at the end of Aug/Sept.
They are both Nixon auctions. Shurman-Parish ,one in Wash. ,one south
of Modesto. If any of your "DEEP POCKET" friends are coming out for
the auctions  ,I'd go pick it up and hand it off  to them. CYA, Jimmy
O'  415 892 0236

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message----- From:
sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of tommy
turner Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:12 PM To:
sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Engine Moving Help
Needed - CA to KY or somewhere in between

I posted an ad on Harry's but never heard anything so I though I'd
give the SEL a try.  I have a parts engine located in California near
Modesto that needs hauling to KY or somewhere headed east toward me.
If anyone in that area will be headed this way or will be traveling
to
that area of CA and could haul it, I'd be glad to pay you hansomely
for your fuel and effort.  I have checked and can go the Yellow
Freight route and its not as expensive as I thought.  But, I'd rather
have an engine guy (or gal) hauling it..... I've seen some of those
guys get a bit wild at the loading docks with forklifts and I want
both flywheels to arrive intact!  The engine is 5 HP and I guess the
parts that are there will weigh about 1000 lbs.  If anyone can help,
please let me know!  Thanks!!

Tommy Turner

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jul  2 05:20:43 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 05:20:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Have I got you all stumped !!!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c7bc9e$ec980970$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <00ce01c7bc9e$ec980970$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <4558.165.206.180.53.1183378843.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

It's off an airplane.


Bill

> Hi all
>
> There has been a deathly silence on this one, have I got you all stumped ?
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
>
> What is the head off ??????????? the engine is R&V.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jul  2 05:26:14 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 22:26:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Have I got you all stumped !!!!!!!!!!!
References: <00ce01c7bc9e$ec980970$0601a8c0@altech>
	<4558.165.206.180.53.1183378843.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <00e901c7bca4$2f08e900$0601a8c0@altech>

F-18 or B52 !!!!! ;-)
Peter





> It's off an airplane.
>
>
> Bill
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> There has been a deathly silence on this one, have I got you all stumped 
>> ?
>>
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
>>
>> What is the head off ??????????? the engine is R&V.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
>> R&V Engine Registrar
>> Australia
>> Ph: 61-266453455
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jul  2 06:28:36 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:28:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Have I got you all stumped !!!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <00e901c7bca4$2f08e900$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <00ce01c7bc9e$ec980970$0601a8c0@altech>
	<4558.165.206.180.53.1183378843.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<00e901c7bca4$2f08e900$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <4831.165.206.180.53.1183382916.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

"It's off an airplane" is a true statement.
It's not ON one?!?

Actually, thinking about it, I think it's from a French aircraft.............


Bill

> F-18 or B52 !!!!! ;-)
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>> It's off an airplane.
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> There has been a deathly silence on this one, have I got you all
>>> stumped
>>> ?
>>>
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/mystery/index.htm
>>>
>>> What is the head off ??????????? the engine is R&V.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Peter Lowe
>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>> Australia
>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>
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From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com  Mon Jul  2 08:49:35 2007
From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:49:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
Message-ID: <A45230EA7EA65248A36A68A0C521D3382AD707@BOX.CNCSOFTWARE.COM>

Bill,

 

 I was challenged with the same problem and solved it pretty easily.
Check out my Webshots to see how I did it with my Eclipse.  

 

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/81060592eqzEHv

 

Gosh, it's been 4 years since I started that project, I better get it
finished soon!

 

Best regards,

 

Ken Erman


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From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Mon Jul  2 10:29:51 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:29:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.
In-Reply-To: <A45230EA7EA65248A36A68A0C521D3382AD707@BOX.CNCSOFTWARE.COM>
Message-ID: <014901c7bcce$98f3d530$6401a8c0@PaulNew>

Darn Good

Paul Waugh - IN

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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:50 AM
To: Hercules flywheel key removal.; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Hercules flywheel key removal.

Bill,

 

 I was challenged with the same problem and solved it pretty easily.
Check out my Webshots to see how I did it with my Eclipse.  

 

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/81060592eqzEHv

 

Gosh, it's been 4 years since I started that project, I better get it
finished soon!

 

Best regards,

 

Ken Erman


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From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jul  2 20:37:45 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:37:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine show at Astle Park
In-Reply-To: <000d01c7b69a$9ec025c0$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <000d01c7b69a$9ec025c0$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070703132920.01a3b870@ncable.com.au>

Dave this is one rally I would love to have closer to home. Any idea 
on what the engine is on page 4; pict0015? looks nice Also didn't 
know Tangyes made an inverted engine. Learn something every day. I 
see the Anson Museum had the display. I could have asked Tim Macaire 
a little about it if I had known. Just spent the day at a sale in Qld 
with him last weekend.  good pics thanks
Russell



At 06:02 AM 25/06/2007, you wrote:
>I enjoyed this 23rd engine show despite the rain showers that 
>occurred a few times on both days.
>The site seemed quite good when I left despite the rain.
>Lots of lovely engines as usual and as always a good number that I 
>had never seen before.
>My pictures are at
>http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/559604996YiqUAT
>I have forgoten the names of several engines, If you know them send 
>me an E Mail & I will correct them.
>TIA
>
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>_______________________________________________
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jul  2 20:42:46 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:42:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <006101c7b910$36355a70$e8046c3a@fred>
References: <006101c7b910$36355a70$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070703133856.01a34728@ncable.com.au>

Nice Brian, I can't beleive you have it to this strippped and 
assembled condition so quick. It was way up north like 7 days 
earlier, good effort
Russell

At 09:09 AM 28/06/2007, you wrote:
>Hi,
>Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
>it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will 
>put more on when restoration is finished.
>Brian and David Watts
>Melbourne
>Australia
>(03) 97266147
>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jul  2 22:57:56 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:57:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
References: <006101c7b910$36355a70$e8046c3a@fred>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070703133856.01a34728@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001601c7bd37$1c9ed250$e8046c3a@fred>

Ihear you have been north as well,buying more toys,heard you did well.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toy


> Nice Brian, I can't beleive you have it to this strippped and
> assembled condition so quick. It was way up north like 7 days
> earlier, good effort
> Russell
>
> At 09:09 AM 28/06/2007, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
>>it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will
>>put more on when restoration is finished.
>>Brian and David Watts
>>Melbourne
>>Australia
>>(03) 97266147
>>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  3 02:26:41 2007
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:26:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070703133856.01a34728@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY121-F30C24C6AA1FC0DE4FC3AD5D00C0@phx.gbl>

Brian,that engine looks too good to paint as it is!   John


>From: Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toy
>Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:42:46 +1000
>
>Nice Brian, I can't beleive you have it to this strippped and
>assembled condition so quick. It was way up north like 7 days
>earlier, good effort
>Russell
>
>At 09:09 AM 28/06/2007, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
> >it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will
> >put more on when restoration is finished.
> >Brian and David Watts
> >Melbourne
> >Australia
> >(03) 97266147
> >http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> >briwatt at optusnet.com.au
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>Russell Gilbert
>Sunny Sunraysia
>russell at ncable.com.au
>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Jul  3 03:50:34 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:50:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo show motel reservations
Message-ID: <070320071050.23557.468A29FA0004546C00005C05219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

I will be making the annual Baraboo show reservations and need to know who all 
will need rooms.  Please let me know asap.
thank you,
Curt Andree


From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Jul  3 05:13:04 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:13:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <001601c7bd37$1c9ed250$e8046c3a@fred>
References: <006101c7b910$36355a70$e8046c3a@fred>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070703133856.01a34728@ncable.com.au>
	<001601c7bd37$1c9ed250$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070703221128.01ae2458@ncable.com.au>

Brian I'm not complaining on what I got :-)  Does'nt take long for 
the bush telegraph to get the word out does it!
Russell

At 03:57 PM 3/07/2007, you wrote:
>Ihear you have been north as well,buying more toys,heard you did well.
>Brian and David Watts
>Melbourne
>Australia
>(03) 97266147
>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 1:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toy
>
>
> > Nice Brian, I can't beleive you have it to this strippped and
> > assembled condition so quick. It was way up north like 7 days
> > earlier, good effort
> > Russell
> >
> > At 09:09 AM 28/06/2007, you wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>Our latest Toy arrived from Queensland by carrier on Wednesday,
> >>it is a 2.1/2 Hp. Lamp Start Blackstone, photo`s on webshots,We will
> >>put more on when restoration is finished.
> >>Brian and David Watts
> >>Melbourne
> >>Australia
> >>(03) 97266147
> >>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> >>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
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> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> > --
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jul  3 06:16:51 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:16:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine show at Astle Park
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070703132920.01a3b870@ncable.com.au>
References: <000d01c7b69a$9ec025c0$e5c30b52@no1>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070703132920.01a3b870@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070703080912.01d833a0@mail.alltel.net>

Does anyone know why this show is called the "1000 Engine" show? I know 
that years ago we had a "Milloin Man March" in Washington DC and about 
250,000 black men showed up for it--but it was still referred to as the 
"Million Man March." Same thing with a bunch of women several years later. 
However, those events were sponsored by welfare pimps and femi-nazies, so 
no one cared if they were telling the truth! Do you really get 1,000 
engines at the "1000 Engine" show, or is the event just for blacks and/or 
women?
         Dave
PS, GREAT pictures Dave!

At 10:37 PM 7/2/2007, you wrote:
>Dave this is one rally I would love to have closer to home. Any idea
>on what the engine is on page 4; pict0015? looks nice Also didn't
>know Tangyes made an inverted engine. Learn something every day. I
>see the Anson Museum had the display. I could have asked Tim Macaire
>a little about it if I had known. Just spent the day at a sale in Qld
>with him last weekend.  good pics thanks
>Russell
>
>
>
>At 06:02 AM 25/06/2007, you wrote:
> >I enjoyed this 23rd engine show despite the rain showers that
> >occurred a few times on both days.
> >The site seemed quite good when I left despite the rain.
> >Lots of lovely engines as usual and as always a good number that I
> >had never seen before.
> >My pictures are at
> >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/559604996YiqUAT
> >I have forgoten the names of several engines, If you know them send
> >me an E Mail & I will correct them.
> >TIA
> >
> >Dave Croft



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul  3 07:23:30 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:23:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine show at Astle Park
References: <000d01c7b69a$9ec025c0$e5c30b52@no1><7.0.1.0.1.20070703132920.01a3b870@ncable.com.au>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070703080912.01d833a0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <005501c7bd7d$bbe817e0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 1000 Engine show at Astle Park


> Does anyone know why this show is called the "1000 Engine" show? I know 
> that years ago we had a "Milloin Man March" in Washington DC and about 
> 250,000 black men showed up for it--but it was still referred to as the 
> "Million Man March." Same thing with a bunch of women several years later. 
> However, those events were sponsored by welfare pimps and femi-nazies, so 
> no one cared if they were telling the truth! Do you really get 1,000 
> engines at the "1000 Engine" show, or is the event just for blacks and/or 
> women?
>         Dave
> PS, GREAT pictures Dave!

Hi Dave, I was one of the Founders of this show 23 years ago.
Percy Gallimore who suggested it said we would try and exhibit
1000 engines every year.
We never did manage it as we found that when we tried to get 
people to bring more engines, by the time we were approaching 
1000 far too many common small engines were being exhibited.
So we relented on the number & now many hundreds of good 
rare engines turn up. If you are proud of something rare you own
this is the place to show it off.
We get exhibitors from all over the British Isles,Ireland & several 
European countries. Even A few Aussies.
PS The beer lasted longer than usual this year due to a certain 
Yank being missing.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul  3 20:00:40 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue,  3 Jul 2007 23:00:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine
Message-ID: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

Please pardon the shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer kerosene
engine (or know of one) that's lacking the fuel feeder, you know that they're
as hard to find as chicken lips or hen's teeth.

There's currently a really nice one on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260135558290

Please pass the word along if you don't need it yourself.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul  3 22:46:56 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 06:46:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine
References: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001701c7bdfe$bd60d090$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:00 AM
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine


> Hiya Folks,
> Please pardon the shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer kerosene
> engine (or know of one) that's lacking the fuel feeder, you know that they're
> as hard to find as chicken lips or hen's teeth.
> There's currently a really nice one on eBay.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260135558290
> Please pass the word along if you don't need it yourself.
> See ya,  Arnie
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com

Hi Arnie, That comes up as not available.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul  3 23:16:31 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:16:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine
In-Reply-To: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <3907D0F8-28B3-40CF-A00B-6A0AEB55B146@rustyiron.com>

On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:00 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Please pardon the shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer  
> kerosene
> engine (or know of one) that's lacking the fuel feeder, you know  
> that they're
> as hard to find as chicken lips or hen's teeth.

Hi Arnie,
It appears that eBay frowns upon shameless self-promotion.  They've  
canceled your auction.







From rupka at xcountry.tv  Wed Jul  4 02:40:25 2007
From: rupka at xcountry.tv (Bill Rupka)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:40:25 -0300
Subject: [SEL] FM 6-8HP 'ZC' Manual
Message-ID: <20070704094041.070E22654C@ns2.xcountry.tv>

The subject manual is now posted to 
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4032920&a=32547309.  I 
will eventually get the 3HP manual posted as well.
Enjoy
Bill


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul  4 06:03:49 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed,  4 Jul 2007 09:03:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - eBay
	Wierdness
In-Reply-To: <3907D0F8-28B3-40CF-A00B-6A0AEB55B146@rustyiron.com>
References: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>
	<3907D0F8-28B3-40CF-A00B-6A0AEB55B146@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1183554229.468b9ab5762e8@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Rob and others,

Yeah, the 900-pound gorilla at eBay/PayPal objected to my auction description. 
I comitted two horrific crimes.  First, I said that I would (GASP!) accept cash
as payment (in addition to other conventional payments like money orders,
etc.).  That's apparently a major NO-NO.  And perhaps, even more egregious, I
dared to say that I had a Basic (i.e. free - GASP!) PayPal account and that
because of that I didn't accept credit card payments via PayPal (only OK with
Premium or Business accounts which cost $$$).

The ad wording looked like this...
"Full payment must be received within two weeks.  PayPal is preferred (but no
credit cards, sorry).  If you?re using PayPal it MUST be a cash transfer from
your PayPal account or from your bank account via PayPal.  I only have a basic
PayPal account and the PayPal weasels choose to block credit card payments to a
basic PayPal account.  Cash, personal check, or money order are always fine."

That's the wording that I've used previously.  Apparently as a part of the New
eBay Experience (AKA make more money for eBay), they are pushing very hard for
all sellers to pay for Premium / Business PayPal accounts.  I guess getting
vigorish on the PayPal account balances that would make a Mafia don blush just
isn't enough.

I'm working on alternate wording that I'll try and slip past the eBay censors. 
I love a challenge.  Wish me luck!!  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:00 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
> > Please pardon the shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer  
> > kerosene engine ...

> It appears that eBay frowns upon shameless self-promotion.  They've  
> canceled your auction.




From shop at cccomm.net  Wed Jul  4 06:57:52 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 06:57:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <20070620.124409.1240.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<01fe01c7b40a$6df25860$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <001b01c7be43$50f888e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

I am trying something different.  My guy at the machine shop came up with an 
idea of using NOS automotive cast iron rings. He found a source for 4 1/16 
bore so we bought them. Takes five in each groove. A pic at
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp

Anyone else tried this?  I think it should work. It appears there is about 
.005 clearance with all of them stacked.

Dave 




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jul  4 08:54:01 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:54:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <001b01c7be43$50f888e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEABFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

I looked at the whole set of photos.  Your engine must have had a hard life, especially with the brazed rod!

I'm sure the multiple rings will work but it may be a bit tight at first.  I don't know about cylinder wear, though.

I'd be interested to know how the rings work out.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave Ernst
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 08:58 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> I am trying something different.  My guy at the 
> machine shop came up with an 
> idea of using NOS automotive cast iron rings. He 
> found a source for 4 1/16 
> bore so we bought them. Takes five in each 
> groove. A pic at
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=30095
> 45&a=32514163&vt=vp
> 
> Anyone else tried this?  I think it should work. 
> It appears there is about 
> .005 clearance with all of them stacked.
> 
> Dave




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul  4 09:10:26 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed,  4 Jul 2007 12:10:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - Relisted
Message-ID: <1183565426.468bc672dc82e@webmail.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

Please pardon the second shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer
kerosene engine (or know of one) that's lacking the fuel feeder, you know that
they're as hard to find as chicken lips or hen's teeth.

There's currently a really nice one on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260135733389
(We'll see how long THIS listing lasts.)

Please pass the word along if you don't need it yourself.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Jul  4 09:19:04 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:19:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine -
	eBay	Wierdness
In-Reply-To: <1183554229.468b9ab5762e8@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>	<3907D0F8-28B3-40CF-A00B-6A0AEB55B146@rustyiron.com>
	<1183554229.468b9ab5762e8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <468BC878.6060007@telenet.net>

Actually one of the things about accepting PayPal on Ebay is that you 
are required to accept credit cards for payment.

> https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/ua/USUA

4.2 Receiving Different Types of Payments.
If you have a Personal Account you may receive Balance/Bank Funded
Payments for free, and up to 5 Card Funded Payments per 12 month period
for a Fee, except that you may not receive Card Funded Payments into a
Personal Account for an eBay transaction. If you have a Premier or Business
Account, you may receive an unlimited number of Card Funded Payments. Please
note that all payments received by a Premier or Business Account will be
subject to a Fee in accordance with section 8 of this Agreement.


4.3 Use of PayPal on eBay.
  Sellers who offer PayPal as a payment method in their eBay listings
(either via logos or through text in the item description) must accept
Card Funded Payments. Sellers must have a Premier or Business PayPal
Account, or be willing to upgrade from a Personal PayPal Account to a
Premier or Business Account upon receipt of a Card Funded Payment.
Sellers may not communicate to buyers that they only accept Balance/Bank
Funded Payments, or will not accept Card Funded Payments. eCheck is the
only Funding Source that eBay Sellers are allowed to block.




fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
> Hi Rob and others,
> 
> Yeah, the 900-pound gorilla at eBay/PayPal objected to my auction description. 
> I comitted two horrific crimes.  First, I said that I would (GASP!) accept cash
> as payment (in addition to other conventional payments like money orders,
> etc.).  That's apparently a major NO-NO.  And perhaps, even more egregious, I
> dared to say that I had a Basic (i.e. free - GASP!) PayPal account and that
> because of that I didn't accept credit card payments via PayPal (only OK with
> Premium or Business accounts which cost $$$).
> 
> The ad wording looked like this...
> "Full payment must be received within two weeks.  PayPal is preferred (but no
> credit cards, sorry).  If you?re using PayPal it MUST be a cash transfer from
> your PayPal account or from your bank account via PayPal.  I only have a basic
> PayPal account and the PayPal weasels choose to block credit card payments to a
> basic PayPal account.  Cash, personal check, or money order are always fine."
> 
> That's the wording that I've used previously.  Apparently as a part of the New
> eBay Experience (AKA make more money for eBay), they are pushing very hard for
> all sellers to pay for Premium / Business PayPal accounts.  I guess getting
> vigorish on the PayPal account balances that would make a Mafia don blush just
> isn't enough.
> 
> I'm working on alternate wording that I'll try and slip past the eBay censors. 
> I love a challenge.  Wish me luck!!  8->>
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:00 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
>>> Please pardon the shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer  
>>> kerosene engine ...
> 
>> It appears that eBay frowns upon shameless self-promotion.  They've  
>> canceled your auction.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York
NRA Member
Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
he'd have become a vegan.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul  4 10:19:03 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed,  4 Jul 2007 13:19:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - eBay
	Wierdness
In-Reply-To: <468BC878.6060007@telenet.net>
References: <1183518040.468b0d585d9a2@webmail.city-net.com>
	<3907D0F8-28B3-40CF-A00B-6A0AEB55B146@rustyiron.com>
	<1183554229.468b9ab5762e8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<468BC878.6060007@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <1183569543.468bd68744946@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Steve,

Yep, that's one of those little "enhancements" of the "eBay experience" that
they've added.  The last time that I sold stuff on eBay they weren't so
overbearing.  I was able to accept PayPal in a manner consistent with my
account (i.e. no credit cards) and everyone was happy.  Then eBay got greedy.
It's their choice.  My choice is to keep 'em out of my pockets to the maximum
extent possible.

BTW, I listed that Cub Cadet on http://www.ihcubcadet.com and will put it on
http://www.ihregistry.com/ later.  Thanks again for that lead.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>:

> Actually one of the things about accepting PayPal on Ebay is that you 
> are required to accept credit cards for payment.
> 
> > https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/ua/USUA
> 
> 4.2 Receiving Different Types of Payments.
> If you have a Personal Account you may receive Balance/Bank Funded
> Payments for free, and up to 5 Card Funded Payments per 12 month period
> for a Fee, except that you may not receive Card Funded Payments into a
> Personal Account for an eBay transaction. If you have a Premier or Business
> Account, you may receive an unlimited number of Card Funded Payments. Please
> note that all payments received by a Premier or Business Account will be
> subject to a Fee in accordance with section 8 of this Agreement.
> 
> 4.3 Use of PayPal on eBay.
>   Sellers who offer PayPal as a payment method in their eBay listings
> (either via logos or through text in the item description) must accept
> Card Funded Payments. Sellers must have a Premier or Business PayPal
> Account, or be willing to upgrade from a Personal PayPal Account to a
> Premier or Business Account upon receipt of a Card Funded Payment.
> Sellers may not communicate to buyers that they only accept Balance/Bank
> Funded Payments, or will not accept Card Funded Payments. eCheck is the
> only Funding Source that eBay Sellers are allowed to block.




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jul  4 11:45:35 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:45:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engines that will be offered for sale
Message-ID: <468BEACF.6030707@scrtc.com>

I have a possible deal in the works for some iron.  There will be 
several items that I don't have room for I thought I would see if any of 
the SEL folks would have interest before they possibly go on the "open 
market".  I'm not intending to use the SEL as a substitute for Harry's 
but I'd rather see some of you folks get these if interested. Here there 
are:

Deutz Otto - Probably about a 12 HP.  It has nice large flywheels.  This 
is a lamp start model and has the original torch.  It has several 
working mechanism off the sideshaft and would be an interesting item to 
watch run.  The engine isn't running now but isn't stuck and you could 
do a bit of playing with it and have a nice show item.  Here are a 
couple of photos:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=75683476

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=75683477&f=0


6 HP Stover Upright -  I don't think I've ever seen an upright Stover 
this big.  It has the original bull gear base and attchment.  The enigne 
is complete and in primer.  Would make a nice pumping outfit.  Here is a 
photo:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=75683479&f=0


3 HP Fairbanks Morse T - Complete and original condition.  Not running 
but everything is there to make it go.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=75683478&f=0

If anyone is interested, please contact me off list and I can give you 
details, price, etc.  Contact me at this email address:

Lcjudge at scrtc.com

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY








From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 12:34:52 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:34:52 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Happy 4th July
Message-ID: <6f6025160707041234k569319d0k72a5ddb660ba2ed3@mail.gmail.com>

Hope everyone in the USA has a great day!

Peter & Rita
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From reb1952 at bellsouth.net  Wed Jul  4 12:38:07 2007
From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:38:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <20070620.124409.1240.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><01fe01c7b40a$6df25860$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
	<001b01c7be43$50f888e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <002201c7be72$d8e2f450$0202a8c0@VALUED3253602F>

My machine shop guy suggested using thinner rings also, maybe not that many
though. He said thinner rings would seal better than the thick ones.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T


> I am trying something different.  My guy at the machine shop came up with
an
> idea of using NOS automotive cast iron rings. He found a source for 4 1/16
> bore so we bought them. Takes five in each groove. A pic at
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp
>
> Anyone else tried this?  I think it should work. It appears there is about
> .005 clearance with all of them stacked.
>
> Dave
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Wed Jul  4 14:47:51 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:47:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine
	- eBayWierdness
In-Reply-To: <1183569543.468bd68744946@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002101c7be84$f8ec1350$6701a8c0@PaulNew>

OK, you guys got me to wondering, so looked at $1500 worth of buying and
selling over the last 6 months .. I can not find any charges for paypal, I
paid the exact amount using paypal and I have received the exact amount I
sold for, so what am I missing. I did think there was a 3% fee for using
paypal, I know they are making money some where from it.

Paul Waugh

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
fero_ah at city-net.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 1:19 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine -
eBayWierdness

Hi Steve,

Yep, that's one of those little "enhancements" of the "eBay experience" that
they've added.  The last time that I sold stuff on eBay they weren't so
overbearing.  I was able to accept PayPal in a manner consistent with my
account (i.e. no credit cards) and everyone was happy.  Then eBay got
greedy.
It's their choice.  My choice is to keep 'em out of my pockets to the
maximum
extent possible.

BTW, I listed that Cub Cadet on http://www.ihcubcadet.com and will put it on
http://www.ihregistry.com/ later.  Thanks again for that lead.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>:

> Actually one of the things about accepting PayPal on Ebay is that you 
> are required to accept credit cards for payment.
> 
> > https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/ua/USUA
> 
> 4.2 Receiving Different Types of Payments.
> If you have a Personal Account you may receive Balance/Bank Funded
> Payments for free, and up to 5 Card Funded Payments per 12 month period
> for a Fee, except that you may not receive Card Funded Payments into a
> Personal Account for an eBay transaction. If you have a Premier or
Business
> Account, you may receive an unlimited number of Card Funded Payments.
Please
> note that all payments received by a Premier or Business Account will be
> subject to a Fee in accordance with section 8 of this Agreement.
> 
> 4.3 Use of PayPal on eBay.
>   Sellers who offer PayPal as a payment method in their eBay listings
> (either via logos or through text in the item description) must accept
> Card Funded Payments. Sellers must have a Premier or Business PayPal
> Account, or be willing to upgrade from a Personal PayPal Account to a
> Premier or Business Account upon receipt of a Card Funded Payment.
> Sellers may not communicate to buyers that they only accept Balance/Bank
> Funded Payments, or will not accept Card Funded Payments. eCheck is the
> only Funding Source that eBay Sellers are allowed to block.


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
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http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul  4 16:03:51 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:03:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - Relisted
References: <1183565426.468bc672dc82e@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <00a101c7be8f$97eb00b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I can hear the gorilla panting!!  VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - Relisted


> Hiya Folks,
>
> Please pardon the second shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer
> kerosene engine (or know of one) that's lacking the fuel feeder, you know 
> that
> they're as hard to find as chicken lips or hen's teeth.
>
> There's currently a really nice one on eBay.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260135733389
> (We'll see how long THIS listing lasts.)
>
> Please pass the word along if you don't need it yourself.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jul  4 18:12:25 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:12:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] looking for OZ collector
Message-ID: <000a01c7bea1$8d7ead90$e8046c3a@fred>

Hi.
Do any Australian  list members know of Cyril Hutchins used to live at Lethbridge Park NSW.
I would like to get in touch with him.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au



From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Wed Jul  4 20:21:59 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:21:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - Relisted
In-Reply-To: <00a101c7be8f$97eb00b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <005001c7beb3$a60f9150$6701a8c0@PaulNew>

The Gorilla got quiet

Paul Waugh

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 7:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - Relisted

I can hear the gorilla panting!!  VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine"

<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] Brass Fuel Feeder for Bessemer Kerosene Engine - Relisted


> Hiya Folks,
>
> Please pardon the second shameless self-promotion.  If you have a Bessemer
> kerosene engine (or know of one) that's lacking the fuel feeder, you know 
> that
> they're as hard to find as chicken lips or hen's teeth.
>
> There's currently a really nice one on eBay.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260135733389
> (We'll see how long THIS listing lasts.)
>
> Please pass the word along if you don't need it yourself.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


_______________________________________________
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http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jul  4 21:34:31 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:34:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Anson Museum & 1000 Engie show pictures
In-Reply-To: <004b01c7be3e$b5e9b2b0$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <20070705043424.WEEC22348.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Here is one for the Aussies. I spotted this well known Aussie engine nut
(Paul Attard from Sydney) amongst the photos from the 1000 engine rally (he
is to the left of the blackie). It is not safe to go anywhere without being
spotted ;)

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2170475090050338362dRGMmA?vhost=good-ti
mes



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2007 11:25 PM
To: atis
Cc: Old Engine
Subject: Anson Museum & 1000 Engie show pictures

Nick Highfield has just posted 98 very good pictures of the Show & the
museum on Saturday night
See  http://good-times.webshots.com/album/559733375WVbQfZ
The museum has aquired some very rare engines in the last year.
(If you only get a bit of some of the pictures hit the full size button (+)
Better pictures than mine !
Dave Croft
Warrington
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http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jul  4 06:24:49 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:24:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Anson Museum & 1000 Engie show pictures
Message-ID: <004b01c7be3e$b5e9b2b0$e5c30b52@no1>

Nick Highfield has just posted 98 very good pictures of the Show & the museum on Saturday night
See  http://good-times.webshots.com/album/559733375WVbQfZ
The museum has aquired some very rare engines in the last year.
(If you only get a bit of some of the pictures hit the full size button (+)
Better pictures than mine !
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From astfgl at iamnota.org  Thu Jul  5 14:02:25 2007
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:02:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
In-Reply-To: <46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org>
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org> <46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <468D5C61.5080808@iamnota.org>

Well, the mystery deepens. Ian's back from holidays, and suggested that 
if the flywheel did not have a "Southern Cross" cast into the face, it 
was probably not a SC and the number might be stamped into the tail of 
the arrow on the face. After some more de-rusting, there it was, number 
13674. Unfortunately, this isn't anywhere near 5853 which is on the 
crankshaft.....

Glen Harris wrote:
> Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft - 5853 - but there's no 
> sign of anything on the flywheel.
>
> Thanks, glen.
>
> Glen Harris wrote:
>   
>> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure it's the 
>> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't find a 
>> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find a plate 
>> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it might be?
>>
>> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a reply as 
>> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>>
>> Cheers, glen.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>     
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jul  5 15:15:06 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:15:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org> <46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org>
	<468D5C61.5080808@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <005801c7bf51$f2ea0e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Something is ringing in the back of my brain.
I believe some early shipments of Fuller & Johnson pumpers were shipped here 
without flywheels to save space and weight.The wheels were made in Oz. This 
might be the case with yours.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info


> Well, the mystery deepens. Ian's back from holidays, and suggested that
> if the flywheel did not have a "Southern Cross" cast into the face, it
> was probably not a SC and the number might be stamped into the tail of
> the arrow on the face. After some more de-rusting, there it was, number
> 13674. Unfortunately, this isn't anywhere near 5853 which is on the
> crankshaft.....
>
> Glen Harris wrote:
>> Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft - 5853 - but there's 
>> no
>> sign of anything on the flywheel.
>>
>> Thanks, glen.
>>
>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>
>>> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure 
>>> it's the
>>> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't 
>>> find a
>>> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find a 
>>> plate
>>> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it might 
>>> be?
>>>
>>> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a 
>>> reply as
>>> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>>>
>>> Cheers, glen.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
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From enginehead1000 at yahoo.com.au  Thu Jul  5 18:01:14 2007
From: enginehead1000 at yahoo.com.au (david kaye)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:01:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] sundial "A" engine info, manuals, etc....
Message-ID: <720307.82626.qm@web45208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

G'day everyone
 
I have sundial type A 2hp.
 
the engine is all there but in pieces,i got the engine already half restored,but I'm have trouble finding info on how to put the engine together.
like were to put the throttle arm.the timber size for the stand & so on.
what I'm looking for is manuals,books,guides,etc....,that i can download,scans & buy also photocopy of ones that people may have out there.
i have spent two days looking though the Internet with very little success.
anything to help me will be very much appreciated.
thank you for time.

kind regards david


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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Thu Jul  5 18:14:35 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:14:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>
	<46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org><468D5C61.5080808@iamnota.org>
	<005801c7bf51$f2ea0e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <000a01c7bf6b$04e411d0$d4ee683a@Edd>

Hi Glen.The early S/C pumpers did not have the writing on the flywheel.There 
were also many other changes and variations to the F/J pumpers.The cylinder 
had a different # of fins,The head had 1" pipe  exhaust and 3/4" pipe 
intake,the Rosebery and F/J pumpers were 3/4" pipe in/out.When S/C started 
to make pumpers in 1926 they fitted a BTH mag.In 1933 they changes to a Wico 
EK,then in 1936 they changed to a Bosch and in 1956 they changed to a Lucas 
SR1 from a LUCAS NIL.This info comes from a Master parts list I have and 
there is a lot more info on it.It was printed in 1957.I can scan it for you 
and email it to you if you like.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info


> Something is ringing in the back of my brain.
> I believe some early shipments of Fuller & Johnson pumpers were shipped 
> here
> without flywheels to save space and weight.The wheels were made in Oz. 
> This
> might be the case with yours.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
>
>
>> Well, the mystery deepens. Ian's back from holidays, and suggested that
>> if the flywheel did not have a "Southern Cross" cast into the face, it
>> was probably not a SC and the number might be stamped into the tail of
>> the arrow on the face. After some more de-rusting, there it was, number
>> 13674. Unfortunately, this isn't anywhere near 5853 which is on the
>> crankshaft.....
>>
>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>> Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft - 5853 - but there's
>>> no
>>> sign of anything on the flywheel.
>>>
>>> Thanks, glen.
>>>
>>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure
>>>> it's the
>>>> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't
>>>> find a
>>>> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find 
>>>> a
>>>> plate
>>>> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it 
>>>> might
>>>> be?
>>>>
>>>> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a
>>>> reply as
>>>> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, glen.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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>
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Thu Jul  5 18:16:38 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:16:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] sundial "A" engine info, manuals, etc....
References: <720307.82626.qm@web45208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c7bf6b$4e260970$d4ee683a@Edd>

Hi David .Try Rally badges or Plow book sales.There info is in the TOMM mag.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david kaye" <enginehead1000 at yahoo.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:01 AM
Subject: [SEL] sundial "A" engine info, manuals, etc....


> G'day everyone
>
> I have sundial type A 2hp.
>
> the engine is all there but in pieces,i got the engine already half 
> restored,but I'm have trouble finding info on how to put the engine 
> together.
> like were to put the throttle arm.the timber size for the stand & so on.
> what I'm looking for is manuals,books,guides,etc....,that i can 
> download,scans & buy also photocopy of ones that people may have out 
> there.
> i have spent two days looking though the Internet with very little 
> success.
> anything to help me will be very much appreciated.
> thank you for time.
>
> kind regards david
>
>
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________________ 
> Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on 
> all webmail accounts.
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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  5 22:55:31 2007
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:55:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
In-Reply-To: <468D5C61.5080808@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <530884.80510.qm@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day Glen

According to Southern Cross Engines by Rod Laurent
#13674 was allocated to a in 1942 to a YD-B and was
one of a batch of 50.
There were 300 pumpers made that year but not near
13674 number

Ian may be able to confirm.

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW


--- Glen Harris <astfgl at iamnota.org> wrote:
 After some more de-rusting,
> there it was, number 
> 13674. 


 
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Jul  6 16:18:55 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:18:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
References: <001f01c7b9a9$471e05f0$0201a8c0@SHOP> <468419D4.5040001@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <019801c7c024$05f582c0$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Including the big New Ways!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp


> And Springfield, Columbus, White Middleton, GSM.... quite a few used the 
> ported exhaust practice.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
>>Also Canfield and Callahan
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>Dave Otto
>>Boise, Idaho
>>USA
>>  
>>
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jul  6 17:44:52 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:44:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
In-Reply-To: <019801c7c024$05f582c0$336d4b47@mikecomp>
References: <001f01c7b9a9$471e05f0$0201a8c0@SHOP> <468419D4.5040001@scrtc.com>
	<019801c7c024$05f582c0$336d4b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <468EE204.8000400@scrtc.com>

Yup!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Including the big New Ways!
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Dempster-Mill 2.5hp
>
>
>  
>
>>And Springfield, Columbus, White Middleton, GSM.... quite a few used the 
>>ported exhaust practice.
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Also Canfield and Callahan
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>Dave Otto
>>>Boise, Idaho
>>>USA
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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>>    
>>
>
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From astfgl at iamnota.org  Fri Jul  6 17:53:32 2007
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:53:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7bf6b$04e411d0$d4ee683a@Edd>
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>	<46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org><468D5C61.5080808@iamnota.org>	<005801c7bf51$f2ea0e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<000a01c7bf6b$04e411d0$d4ee683a@Edd>
Message-ID: <468EE40C.1060806@iamnota.org>

I counted the fins this morning, and there's 24 of them. Also, the magneto is 
a N1L'G.

Edd Payne wrote:
> Hi Glen.The early S/C pumpers did not have the writing on the flywheel.There 
> were also many other changes and variations to the F/J pumpers.The cylinder 
> had a different # of fins,The head had 1" pipe  exhaust and 3/4" pipe 
> intake,the Rosebery and F/J pumpers were 3/4" pipe in/out.When S/C started 
> to make pumpers in 1926 they fitted a BTH mag.In 1933 they changes to a Wico 
> EK,then in 1936 they changed to a Bosch and in 1956 they changed to a Lucas 
> SR1 from a LUCAS NIL.This info comes from a Master parts list I have and 
> there is a lot more info on it.It was printed in 1957.I can scan it for you 
> and email it to you if you like.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
> 
> 
>> Something is ringing in the back of my brain.
>> I believe some early shipments of Fuller & Johnson pumpers were shipped 
>> here
>> without flywheels to save space and weight.The wheels were made in Oz. 
>> This
>> might be the case with yours.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
>>
>>
>>> Well, the mystery deepens. Ian's back from holidays, and suggested that
>>> if the flywheel did not have a "Southern Cross" cast into the face, it
>>> was probably not a SC and the number might be stamped into the tail of
>>> the arrow on the face. After some more de-rusting, there it was, number
>>> 13674. Unfortunately, this isn't anywhere near 5853 which is on the
>>> crankshaft.....
>>>
>>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>>> Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft - 5853 - but there's
>>>> no
>>>> sign of anything on the flywheel.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, glen.
>>>>
>>>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure
>>>>> it's the
>>>>> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't
>>>>> find a
>>>>> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't find 
>>>>> a
>>>>> plate
>>>>> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it 
>>>>> might
>>>>> be?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a
>>>>> reply as
>>>>> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, glen.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul  7 15:29:26 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:29:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
References: <46873BA0.6070601@iamnota.org>	<46887F64.9050406@iamnota.org><468D5C61.5080808@iamnota.org>	<005801c7bf51$f2ea0e30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><000a01c7bf6b$04e411d0$d4ee683a@Edd>
	<468EE40C.1060806@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <002101c7c0e6$480ad8f0$d4ee683a@Edd>

Glen.I sent the scan of the S/C info to your home e address but both mails 
have returned as undeliverable.I sent them on Friday.I used the e address as 
bellow.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info


>I counted the fins this morning, and there's 24 of them. Also, the magneto 
>is
> a N1L'G.
>
> Edd Payne wrote:
>> Hi Glen.The early S/C pumpers did not have the writing on the 
>> flywheel.There
>> were also many other changes and variations to the F/J pumpers.The 
>> cylinder
>> had a different # of fins,The head had 1" pipe  exhaust and 3/4" pipe
>> intake,the Rosebery and F/J pumpers were 3/4" pipe in/out.When S/C 
>> started
>> to make pumpers in 1926 they fitted a BTH mag.In 1933 they changes to a 
>> Wico
>> EK,then in 1936 they changed to a Bosch and in 1956 they changed to a 
>> Lucas
>> SR1 from a LUCAS NIL.This info comes from a Master parts list I have and
>> there is a lot more info on it.It was printed in 1957.I can scan it for 
>> you
>> and email it to you if you like.
>> EDD PAYNE
>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
>> Australia
>> 2852
>> Phone:0263742387
>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>> edsengns
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
>>
>>
>>> Something is ringing in the back of my brain.
>>> I believe some early shipments of Fuller & Johnson pumpers were shipped
>>> here
>>> without flywheels to save space and weight.The wheels were made in Oz.
>>> This
>>> might be the case with yours.
>>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:02 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Help with SC Mark J info
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, the mystery deepens. Ian's back from holidays, and suggested that
>>>> if the flywheel did not have a "Southern Cross" cast into the face, it
>>>> was probably not a SC and the number might be stamped into the tail of
>>>> the arrow on the face. After some more de-rusting, there it was, number
>>>> 13674. Unfortunately, this isn't anywhere near 5853 which is on the
>>>> crankshaft.....
>>>>
>>>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>>>> Thanks everyone, I found a number on the crankshaft - 5853 - but 
>>>>> there's
>>>>> no
>>>>> sign of anything on the flywheel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, glen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen Harris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've recently bought a Southern Cross Mark J pumper. I'm pretty sure
>>>>>> it's the
>>>>>> SC version based on the shape of the fuel intake casting, but I can't
>>>>>> find a
>>>>>> serial number anywhere. The magneto is a Lucas N1L.G, but I can't 
>>>>>> find
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> plate
>>>>>> or serial number on the engine itself. Can anyone suggest where it
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've also emailed Ian Mathews with these questions, but haven't had a
>>>>>> reply as
>>>>>> yet. Does anyone know if he's still running the Register?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers, glen.
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From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Jul  8 05:43:08 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 05:43:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <20070620.124409.1240.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><01fe01c7b40a$6df25860$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><001b01c7be43$50f888e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
	<002201c7be72$d8e2f450$0202a8c0@VALUED3253602F>
Message-ID: <014e01c7c15d$89ae76a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Turns out that with all of them installed there was too much friction. When 
the piston was in the bore I couldn't hardly move it.
Ended up with 4 in the top and center grooves with spacers and the bottom 
groove empty. It's installed and has plenty of compression.  Maybe only for 
now, but I can add more rings later if need be.
BTW, had to remove .030 from the ring groove bottom to make them fit.  Guys 
were teasing me that I'd probably end up machining the piston in half......

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dickie" <reb1952 at bellsouth.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T


> My machine shop guy suggested using thinner rings also, maybe not that 
> many
> though. He said thinner rings would seal better than the thick ones.
>
> Dick Bauer
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 8:57 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
>
>
>> I am trying something different.  My guy at the machine shop came up with
> an
>> idea of using NOS automotive cast iron rings. He found a source for 4 
>> 1/16
>> bore so we bought them. Takes five in each groove. A pic at
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp
>>
>> Anyone else tried this?  I think it should work. It appears there is 
>> about
>> .005 clearance with all of them stacked.
>>
>> Dave
>>
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From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Jul  8 14:59:31 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:59:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <20070620.124409.1240.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><01fe01c7b40a$6df25860$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><001b01c7be43$50f888e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><002201c7be72$d8e2f450$0202a8c0@VALUED3253602F>
	<014e01c7c15d$89ae76a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <015b01c7c1ab$44baa700$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

It's all together, not running yet, working on the nameplate, battery saver, 
water tank and finding correct oilers.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp

Dave 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul  8 15:25:06 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:25:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
Message-ID: <20070708.152507.2000.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Lookin' good Dave,
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:59:31 -0700 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
> It's all together, not running yet, working on the nameplate, battery 
> saver, 
> water tank and finding correct oilers.
> 
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp
> 
> Dave 


From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Jul  8 23:51:45 2007
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:51:45 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Magneto gear
Message-ID: <00ec01c7c1f5$9d869660$210110ac@service>

Hi list, can anyone help me?, im after a magneto gear for a Stewart or Cooper little wonder, it is the thin type, but the wider one would work, appreciate any help, cheers,
Chester from West Aus.



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul  8 16:05:25 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:05:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need to contact some Stover YB owners for a friend
Message-ID: <00d801c7c1b4$78d382b0$240110ac@FAMILY>

I would like to hear from anyone who has a Stover YB. A friend of mine had come into possession of one and needs some help and advice on getting it running.

Paul



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 12:59:10 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:59:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs
In-Reply-To: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <928796.19476.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Howdy, List.

Does anyone know where this page went?
TIA,
Alan

Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote: After wasting some money on some real crappy quality reprints from an
outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and have scanned them and
placed them here for you to download and use free:

http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm

Scroll halfway down and there are links to the pdf files, the download
size is next to them and if you don't have dsl or cable, you might want to
make a sandwich.......
The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is well
received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan.
Can someone forward the link to the Farmall list for me? I like IHC stuff,
but any more than two cylinders is a waste of iron and electric starters
are for girls.
Joe


 
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Mon Jul  9 18:58:15 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:58:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
Message-ID: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>

Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V 
AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in 
the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete 
and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it 
looks very nice to many toys not enough money
R Fink
Central PA 




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 16:18:20 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:18:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <650515.72885.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How many KW?
What is the engine HP?

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote: Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V 
AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in 
the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete 
and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it 
looks very nice to many toys not enough money
R Fink
Central PA 


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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Mon Jul  9 19:34:03 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:34:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <650515.72885.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<650515.72885.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070709233413.950A9229C56@md5.pennswoods.net>

Alan it says on the tag 1.5 KVA
HP 4.5
R Fink


At 04:18 PM 7/9/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>How many KW?
>What is the engine HP?
>
>Alan Bowen
>Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote: Hi any one 
>interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V
>AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in
>the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete
>and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it
>looks very nice to many toys not enough money
>R Fink
>Central PA
>
>
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Mon Jul  9 16:54:06 2007
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:54:06 GMT
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
Message-ID: <20070709.195406.20136.0@webmail29.lax.untd.com>

Richard, is this the one with the brass radiator and 4 cylinder engine.
Heavy little devils... how much for it? Thanks, Joe

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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Mon Jul  9 20:22:38 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:22:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <20070709.195406.20136.0@webmail29.lax.untd.com>
References: <20070709.195406.20136.0@webmail29.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20070710002245.B992D229D01@md5.pennswoods.net>

It is Joe. As heavy as it is it most likely can't ever wear out. I 
have a buck and a half in it?
R Fink


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>Richard, is this the one with the brass radiator and 4 cylinder engine.
>Heavy little devils... how much for it? Thanks, Joe
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 17:26:10 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:26:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <20070709233413.950A9229C56@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <852324.50884.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the info, Richard.
That's too small for what I want.  I guess I will go with the 5kw, 10hp Kolar powered genny I have. I would like to find one a bit bigger.
I want to make a run at this, only with a genny,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXrvCCILw&mode=related&search=


Do you have pictures on line?
I am just wondering if it could be a show genny.
I am very close to acquiring a 32 Volt Delco light plant with the auto start feature.

Alan

Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote: Alan it says on the tag 1.5 KVA
HP 4.5
R Fink


At 04:18 PM 7/9/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>How many KW?
>What is the engine HP?
>
>Alan Bowen
>Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>Richard Fink Sr  wrote: Hi any one 
>interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V
>AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in
>the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete
>and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it
>looks very nice to many toys not enough money
>R Fink
>Central PA
>
>
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From eallandar at rohrerbus.com  Mon Jul  9 18:26:27 2007
From: eallandar at rohrerbus.com (Ed Allandar)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:26:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <20070710012422.246F61BEF5@smtp0.ctinetworks.com>

Tell me more, I'm interested.


Ed Allandar
1-800-735-6700 x223
www.rohrerbus.com
www.rohrerbussales.com
eallandar at rohrerbus.com
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Fink
Sr
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:58 PM
To: sEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE

Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V 
AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in 
the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete 
and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it 
looks very nice to many toys not enough money
R Fink
Central PA 


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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jul  9 22:30:58 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:30:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Austral Register
Message-ID: <20070710053042.KUPQ19191.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I am slowly getting all the Austral Register information together. I am in
the process of building a computer database of all the engines on the
register. With over 1000 engines on the register it is a time consuming
task. I have now put a form on my website as there are still a lot of
engines not yet recorded. Feel free to download it and fill it out if you
have or know of an Austral.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/TheAustralRegisterForm.doc

If any of the many members on the list spot an Austral at a rally, jot down
the details and send them to me as it may well be an engine I do not already
have on the register.

Many thanks. Patrick

PS. I am only looking for sideshaft Australs or pushrod engines from the
'First 300'.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 23:04:20 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:04:20 +0100
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
References: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707092304y44cd911ev768847fb80cf890c@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/07/07, Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote:
> Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V
> AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in
> the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete
> and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it
> looks very nice to many toys not enough money
> R Fink
> Central PA
>

1E21 is an auto-start emergency standby set, 2-wire 115V 60Hz unit.

Breakdown of Kohler part numbering here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/KohlerCode.htm

Main Kohler pages menu here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/Kohler.htm

1940's Kohler sales brochure and spec's here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/KohlerBrochure21.htm

We don't have any information on this particular model yet.

Peter
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Jul 10 04:32:28 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:32:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs
In-Reply-To: <928796.19476.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEGEFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Alan:

Ain't here, neither.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Alan Bowen
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 02:59 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs
> 
> 
> Howdy, List.
> 
> Does anyone know where this page went?
> TIA,
> Alan
> 
> Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> After wasting some money on some real crappy 
> quality reprints from an
> outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and 
> have scanned them and
> placed them here for you to download and use free:
> 
> http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm

...............snip.....................




From astfgl at iamnota.org  Tue Jul 10 03:57:40 2007
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:57:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs
In-Reply-To: <928796.19476.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <928796.19476.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46936624.8030703@iamnota.org>

I found that message in the archives from January, and someone also accessed 
the files in February, but sometime between then and now the server has been 
misconfigured. A Google search shows many web pages on that server, but most 
of them now generate a 404 error.

The wayback machine has copies of the site, but the latest version it has is 
from 1996. The joe.html page is viewable there, and links to two PDF files on 
the server still work, so the PDFs may still be available there. Without 
knowing the filenames and paths, though, they're inaccessible.

Have you tried contacting Joe to find out if he can fix the server, or upload 
them elsewhere?

Alan Bowen wrote:
> Howdy, List.
> 
> Does anyone know where this page went?
> TIA,
> Alan
> 
> Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote: After wasting some money on some real crappy quality reprints from an
> outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and have scanned them and
> placed them here for you to download and use free:
> 
> http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm
> 
> Scroll halfway down and there are links to the pdf files, the download
> size is next to them and if you don't have dsl or cable, you might want to
> make a sandwich.......
> The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is well
> received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan.
> Can someone forward the link to the Farmall list for me? I like IHC stuff,
> but any more than two cylinders is a waste of iron and electric starters
> are for girls.
> Joe
> 
> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul 10 07:30:04 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:30:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE ("auto-start" Kohler)
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160707092304y44cd911ev768847fb80cf890c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<6f6025160707092304y44cd911ev768847fb80cf890c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707101023460.93700@vegeta.city-net.com>

BTW, those "auto-start" Kohler power plants make GREAT displays.

Bill Tremel and his dad had one they got from a oil rig in PA or WV.  They
set it up on a trailer, with the old rig and accoutrements.  They had a
nice string of old lights and other period electrical equipment.  The old
on-off switch was on a pole with a sign explaining the rig and
instructions to flip the switch.

The spectator did, the genset fired up, the lights lit, and stuff started
to happen.  Flip the switch off and the whole display shut down.

VERY nice display!!  Definitely answered the "what was it used for"
question.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Listerdiesel wrote:

> On 10/07/07, Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote:
> > Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V
> > AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in
> > the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete
> > and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it
> > looks very nice to many toys not enough money
> > R Fink
> > Central PA
> >
>
> 1E21 is an auto-start emergency standby set, 2-wire 115V 60Hz unit.



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Jul 10 09:58:44 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:58:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <852324.50884.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070709233413.950A9229C56@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<852324.50884.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070710135931.893A2229D11@md5.pennswoods.net>

At 05:26 PM 7/9/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks for the info, Richard.
>That's too small for what I want.  I guess I will go with the 5kw, 
>10hp Kolar powered genny I have. I would like to find one a bit bigger.
>I want to make a run at this, only with a genny,
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXrvCCILw&mode=related&search=
>
>
>Do you have pictures on line?
>I am just wondering if it could be a show genny.
>I am very close to acquiring a 32 Volt Delco light plant with the 
>auto start feature.
>
>Alan
No i don't have a photos of it. Will take some and send if you want. 
Yes it would be a show genny. It may be a auto start don't know.
R Fink 




From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Jul 10 10:08:13 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:08:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160707092304y44cd911ev768847fb80cf890c@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<6f6025160707092304y44cd911ev768847fb80cf890c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070710140818.CC736229CFE@md5.pennswoods.net>

Thanks Peter.
R Fink



At 07:04 AM 7/10/2007 +0100, you wrote:
>On 10/07/07, Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote:
> > Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V
> > AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in
> > the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete
> > and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it
> > looks very nice to many toys not enough money
> > R Fink
> > Central PA
> >
>
>1E21 is an auto-start emergency standby set, 2-wire 115V 60Hz unit.
>
>Breakdown of Kohler part numbering here:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/KohlerCode.htm
>
>Main Kohler pages menu here:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/Kohler.htm
>
>1940's Kohler sales brochure and spec's here:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/KohlerBrochure21.htm
>
>We don't have any information on this particular model yet.
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Jul 10 10:10:26 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:10:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <20070710012422.246F61BEF5@smtp0.ctinetworks.com>
References: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<20070710012422.246F61BEF5@smtp0.ctinetworks.com>
Message-ID: <20070710141032.88715229A7B@md5.pennswoods.net>

Model 1E21 115 v ac KVA 1.5 4.5 hp Battery 32 v  as you read it is auto start
R Fink




At 09:26 PM 7/9/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>Tell me more, I'm interested.
>
>
>Ed Allandar
>1-800-735-6700 x223
>www.rohrerbus.com
>www.rohrerbussales.com
>eallandar at rohrerbus.com
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Fink
>Sr
>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:58 PM
>To: sEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE
>
>Hi any one interested in a Kohler power plant. Model 1E21=115 V
>AC.Battery 32 V. This unit came out of a local bar that was built in
>the 40s-50s used as a back up power supply. It appears to be complete
>and a lot of original finish. I have NOT had it running.  But it
>looks very nice to many toys not enough money
>R Fink
>Central PA
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 09:51:39 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:51:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] FOR SALE ("auto-start" Kohler)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707101023460.93700@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20070709225823.B0865229B82@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<6f6025160707092304y44cd911ev768847fb80cf890c@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707101023460.93700@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707100951h4c3657e6u6a67419be191ec8d@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/07/07, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> BTW, those "auto-start" Kohler power plants make GREAT displays.
>

The Lister Start-O-Matic gen sets are also very entertaining, and as
neither the Kohler or the Lister have start motors (it's all done in
the generator head) it is uncanny watching the thing fire up.

The Listers had various devices for valve lifting and fuel pump
control that made it all a bit 'Black Magic' to watch as it turned
over and started up.
Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 19:14:50 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:14:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Pinckneyville, Illinois  Show ???
In-Reply-To: <20070710141032.88715229A7B@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <950387.84907.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is there anyone going to this show the weekend before Portland?
I am looking at a not very heavy item on EBay that the seller can deliver to the Pinckneyville, Illinois show.

Thanks,
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

       
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From reb1952 at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul 10 19:27:13 2007
From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:27:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pinckneyville, Illinois  Show ???
References: <950387.84907.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701c7c362$fdf2fd40$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F>

Alan my tentative plans are to make both shows but won't know about
Pinckneyville for sure for a couple of weeks.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Old Engine.Org List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Pinckneyville, Illinois Show ???


> Is there anyone going to this show the weekend before Portland?
> I am looking at a not very heavy item on EBay that the seller can deliver
to the Pinckneyville, Illinois show.
>
> Thanks,
> Alan Bowen
> Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Jul 10 20:26:44 2007
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Pinckneyville, Illinois  Show ???
In-Reply-To: <950387.84907.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <473121.56648.qm@web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Alan

My Dad might be going down there.  He is thinking of taking his little hay
press and an engine down.  (He wants to show it with my 6 year old nephew
(one of his grandsons).  

Steve
--- Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is there anyone going to this show the weekend before Portland?
> I am looking at a not very heavy item on EBay that the seller can
> deliver to the Pinckneyville, Illinois show.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alan Bowen
> Williamsburg, Michigan
> 
>        
> ---------------------------------
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> mail, news, photos & more. 
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jul 11 18:11:06 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:11:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
Message-ID: <20070711.181106.1616.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Can anyone tell me the hp of a Briggs modes 14 engine?  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Jul 11 20:04:12 2007
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:04:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
In-Reply-To: <20070711.181106.1616.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070711230226.00bed788@webmail.accnorwalk.com>

At 06:11 PM 7/11/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all.  Can anyone tell me the hp of a Briggs modes 14 engine?  Thanks.

5 HP +/- 1/2
             Doug Tallman
VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director
       Greenwich, Ohio, USA



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 11 20:34:03 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:34:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20070711230226.00bed788@webmail.accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c7c435$7ea853e0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Doug

I think 5.1hp

http://www.outdoordistributors.com/Briggs_And_Stratton/briggs_part_lists.html

http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#14

http://books.google.com.au/books?q=briggs+%26+stratton+model+14&ots=KvreThAzpQ&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title

http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/carbtyp.html#Type%20Q

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm





> At 06:11 PM 7/11/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi all.  Can anyone tell me the hp of a Briggs modes 14 engine?  Thanks.
>
> 5 HP +/- 1/2
>             Doug Tallman
> VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director
>       Greenwich, Ohio, USA
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jul 11 20:47:33 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:47:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
Message-ID: <20070711.204733.1616.5.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Doug. 

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:04:12 -0400 Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
writes:
> At 06:11 PM 7/11/2007 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hi all.  Can anyone tell me the hp of a Briggs modes 14 engine?  
> Thanks.
> 
> 5 HP +/- 1/2
>              Doug Tallman
> VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director
>


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jul 11 21:09:53 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:09:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
Message-ID: <20070711.210953.1616.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Peter that is some really good information.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:34:03 +1000 "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
writes:
> Hi Doug
> 
> I think 5.1hp
> 
>
http://www.outdoordistributors.com/Briggs_And_Stratton/briggs_part_lists.
html
> 
> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#14
> 
>
http://books.google.com.au/books?q=briggs+%26+stratton+model+14&ots=KvreT
hAzpQ&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title
> 
> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/carbtyp.html#Type%20Q
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> 
> 
> 
> 


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 11 21:58:34 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:58:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
References: <20070711.210953.1616.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <009601c7c441$4d2c0f80$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Ron
Briggs are not my type of engine, but I was sitting here working and tried 
to help, not an awful lot on the Web that I could find in a hurry.
Regards
Peter



> Thanks Peter that is some really good information.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:34:03 +1000 "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
> writes:
>> Hi Doug
>>
>> I think 5.1hp
>>
>>
> http://www.outdoordistributors.com/Briggs_And_Stratton/briggs_part_lists.
> html
>>
>> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#14
>>
>>
> http://books.google.com.au/books?q=briggs+%26+stratton+model+14&ots=KvreT
> hAzpQ&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title
>>
>> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/carbtyp.html#Type%20Q
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
>> R&V Engine Registrar
>> Australia
>> Ph: 61-266453455
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From driggars at wildblue.net  Wed Jul 11 22:28:08 2007
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:28:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
In-Reply-To: <009601c7c441$4d2c0f80$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <20070711.210953.1616.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<009601c7c441$4d2c0f80$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <4695BBE8.3090305@wildblue.net>

I have one of those engines setting in my shed, it is about 5 HP

Clint


Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi Ron
> Briggs are not my type of engine, but I was sitting here working and tried 
> to help, not an awful lot on the Web that I could find in a hurry.
> Regards
> Peter
>
>
>
>   
>> Thanks Peter that is some really good information.
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:34:03 +1000 "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>> writes:
>>     
>>> Hi Doug
>>>
>>> I think 5.1hp
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> http://www.outdoordistributors.com/Briggs_And_Stratton/briggs_part_lists.
>> html
>>     
>>> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#14
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> http://books.google.com.au/books?q=briggs+%26+stratton+model+14&ots=KvreT
>> hAzpQ&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title
>>     
>>> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/carbtyp.html#Type%20Q
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Peter Lowe
>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>> Australia
>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
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>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jul 12 07:13:51 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:13:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
Message-ID: <20070712.101510.832.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Ron,
2.6 - 5.2
Check out asecc
 
http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs-horsepower.html
 
Hope this helps
 
Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " How is it possible for Americans to denounce
  (_o_)                Communism and practice it simultaneously?"


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jul 12 08:22:13 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:22:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
Message-ID: <20070712.082213.2020.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Joe.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:13:51 -0400 Joseph L Betz <jlb94 at juno.com> writes:
> Hi Ron,
> 2.6 - 5.2
> Check out asecc
>  
> http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs-horsepower.html
>  
> Hope this helps
>  
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>    ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>    \/)"(\/      " How is it possible for Americans to denounce
>   (_o_)                Communism and practice it simultaneously?"


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jul 12 08:23:16 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:23:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs mod 14
Message-ID: <20070712.082316.2020.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Clint.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:28:08 -0500 Clint D <driggars at wildblue.net>
writes:
> I have one of those engines setting in my shed, it is about 5 HP
> 
> Clint
> 


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jul 12 14:31:16 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:31:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor problems URGENT please
Message-ID: <001101c7c4cb$faa39c20$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

I have a guy in northern Queensland who is restoring an R&V engine for the 
National Rally next week and he is having ignitor problems.
I do not have any stand alone ignitor engines and have never worked on just 
an ignitor. I know how they work though ;-))

The engine is dead, it has spark on the ignitor points, it has fresh fuel, 
nothing, dead, deceased, will not run.
He is using a fluoro light 36watt fluoro ballast at 12 volts, I have had 
better results making them out of 56watt ballasts.

He ran the voltage up to 24 volts and the engine runs nicely, but that is an 
impractical voltage to rally with plus I would guess the extra current would 
not be good for the points in the long run.
The engine timing is correct.

Anyone got any clues.

For those going to the National, can you look this guy up and take some good 
clear digital photos for me please.
The owners name is Lex Mackay and it is a 2hp SR series R&V.


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 16:25:29 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:25:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor problems URGENT please
Message-ID: <c44.19b27180.33c81269@aol.com>

Peter,
 
How about trying a 12 volt spark coil out of an old car.  Just forget the 
high voltage side and use the +/- sides of the coil.  Works for me.  Unless he is 
having some kind of insulator leakage under compression is the only thing I 
can think of.  Of course timing/spark gap/springs also come into play.
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com  Thu Jul 12 16:28:45 2007
From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:28:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor problems URGENT please
In-Reply-To: <001101c7c4cb$faa39c20$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <001101c7c4cb$faa39c20$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <4696B92D.6010305@matthewsfarm.com>

Peter,
  Check to see that the ignitor is properly grounded and the other lead 
is properly insulated, not cracked or burnt on the insulation. The 
ignitor should have a good snap when it trips.
The contacts may be checked by being sure that they are closed and then 
disconnecting the power to them.  You should get a spark at the 
connection-disconnection place.
Hope this helps.
Bob

<<Bob Matthews>>
  <<NW Ohio>>



Peter Lowe wrote:

>Hi all
>
>I have a guy in northern Queensland who is restoring an R&V engine for the 
>National Rally next week and he is having ignitor problems.
>I do not have any stand alone ignitor engines and have never worked on just 
>an ignitor. I know how they work though ;-))
>
>The engine is dead, it has spark on the ignitor points, it has fresh fuel, 
>nothing, dead, deceased, will not run.
>He is using a fluoro light 36watt fluoro ballast at 12 volts, I have had 
>better results making them out of 56watt ballasts.
>
>He ran the voltage up to 24 volts and the engine runs nicely, but that is an 
>impractical voltage to rally with plus I would guess the extra current would 
>not be good for the points in the long run.
>The engine timing is correct.
>
>Anyone got any clues.
>
>
>
>
>  
>


From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 12 19:14:27 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:14:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor problems URGENT please
In-Reply-To: <4696B92D.6010305@matthewsfarm.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEJFFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Another thing that can cause grief with low tension ignition is the insulators in the ignitor assembly.  I've seen some that would fire just fine outside the engine then not work inside the combustion chamber and under compression.

I think that, like high-tension spark plugs, the insulation can break down and make the spark occur within the ignitor itself, making for a puny or non-existant spark at the points.

You might want to take the ignitor apart, clean and dry all the mica washers and tubes then re-assemble it dry.

Take care - Elden 

> Peter Lowe wrote:
> 
> >Hi all
> >
> >I have a guy in northern Queensland who is 
> restoring an R&V engine for the 
> >National Rally next week and he is having 
> ignitor problems.
> >I do not have any stand alone ignitor engines 
> and have never worked on just 
> >an ignitor. I know how they work though ;-))
> >
> >The engine is dead, it has spark on the ignitor 
> points, it has fresh fuel, 
> >nothing, dead, deceased, will not run.
> >He is using a fluoro light 36watt fluoro ballast 
> at 12 volts, I have had 
> >better results making them out of 56watt ballasts.
> >
> >He ran the voltage up to 24 volts and the engine 
> runs nicely, but that is an 
> >impractical voltage to rally with plus I would 
> guess the extra current would 
> >not be good for the points in the long run.
> >The engine timing is correct.
> >
> >Anyone got any clues.




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 13 03:27:51 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:27:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
References: <002e01c7c4d0$569b04b0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<000c01c7c4d2$c7004b50$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <001a01c7c538$77b17ef0$0601a8c0@altech>

>> Hi all
>> Does anyone know anything about Thompson engine valves? does Company 
>> still exist?, time frame of company?, who they are now?
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe


>
> Hi Peter, are you sure it isn't an automobile steam engine?
> see 
> http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=214763&search=steam+engine&images=&c=&s=
> Dave Croft




Hi Dave
NO, this engine that has the Thompson valves is an R&V, I was just curious 
as to the company, their origin, if they still exist, the age of the valves, 
if they are original.
It is all part of deeply researching within the R&V register.
It is all the behind the scenes work that goes on and occasionally we come 
out into the light of day for help from our gurus.
Anyone can write an engine history, I have already done this, most of the 
leg work is well under way. I like to cross the"T's" and dot the "I's".
You would probably call that a fanatic, but I find the between the lines 
info more interesting than just the engine history.
My book starts from the birth of its two founders, the rise and fall of 
their empire and their legacy which we now enjoy.

So, oh wise and wonderful group of gurus, I still need to know more about 
Thompson engine valves USA !!!

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 13 03:29:13 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:29:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor problems URGENT please
References: <c44.19b27180.33c81269@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002501c7c538$a84a23a0$0601a8c0@altech>

Thanks to all those who replied, you know who you are

Regards
Peter


From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 13 05:01:31 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:01:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
In-Reply-To: <001a01c7c538$77b17ef0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEJIFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Here's a link to the company that used to be Thompson Valve Company.

http://www.c-m-c.com/

>From the web page, "We have been manufacturing engine valves in Southern California since the 1920s. First as JADSON which was acquired by Thompson Products in the 1930s. Thompson Products changed it's name to TRW in 1960. We purchased the Industrial Products Division of TRW in 1988."

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 05:28 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ATIS
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
> 
> 
> >> Hi all
> >> Does anyone know anything about Thompson 
> engine valves? does Company 
> >> still exist?, time frame of company?, who they are now?
> >> Regards
> >> Peter Lowe




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 13 05:03:01 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:03:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEJIFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <005101c7c545$c2c3b6d0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Eldin

Yes I found that site and contact their CEO and he said NO, it was not them 
????

Ths is the transcript of our conversation:
.......................................................................

Subject: RE: CMC valve identification please

Not us. We were JADSON until the late 1920s.

This was probably "Thompson Products" in Cleveland who purchased JADSON.


Charlie,
Have you any information that might help this fellow?
Jeanette


Hello
My names is Peter Lowe from Australia and a need some help on valve
identification please.
The attached pictures shows a Thompson Valve with a logo CMC, were these
valves made by your company?
How long has your company been making engine valves?
I look forward to your reply,
Regards
Peter Lowe






From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 13 05:19:33 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:19:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEJIFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <006601c7c548$1229e080$0601a8c0@altech>

I have made another enquiry through CMC using a different tact, will see 
what happens.
If you play dumb and make them feel important you often get better results.

Peter




> Peter:
>
> Here's a link to the company that used to be Thompson Valve Company.
>
> http://www.c-m-c.com/
>
>>From the web page, "We have been manufacturing engine valves in Southern 
>>California since the 1920s. First as JADSON which was acquired by Thompson 
>>Products in the 1930s. Thompson Products changed it's name to TRW in 1960. 
>>We purchased the Industrial Products Division of TRW in 1988."
>
> Take care - Elden
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 05:28 AM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ATIS
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
>>
>>
>> >> Hi all
>> >> Does anyone know anything about Thompson
>> engine valves? does Company
>> >> still exist?, time frame of company?, who they are now?
>> >> Regards
>> >> Peter Lowe
>
>
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul 14 01:52:11 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:52:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
Message-ID: <000a01c7c5f4$452e68f0$e8046c3a@fred>

Hi,
A new toy arrived today,it was bought by my father in 1957, we located it about 6 years ago and have been trying to purchase it since, my son got a call 3 days ago asking if he still wanted it seeing it belonged to his grandfather, a 4HP. inter. famous totaly complete and dry stored for last 30 years, it will take pride of place in our shed, photos on webshots link below,more photos when we clean and get in the shed.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul 14 02:10:02 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:10:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
References: <000a01c7c5f4$452e68f0$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <000601c7c5f6$c3c2f8f0$37426c3a@Edd>

Very nice Brian.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Watts" <briwatt at optusnet.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Toy


> Hi,
> A new toy arrived today,it was bought by my father in 1957, we located it 
> about 6 years ago and have been trying to purchase it since, my son got a 
> call 3 days ago asking if he still wanted it seeing it belonged to his 
> grandfather, a 4HP. inter. famous totaly complete and dry stored for last 
> 30 years, it will take pride of place in our shed, photos on webshots link 
> below,more photos when we clean and get in the shed.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
> _______________________________________________
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jul 14 04:57:56 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:57:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson Engine valves
References: <002e01c7c4d0$569b04b0$0601a8c0@altech> <46981148.20908@xtra.co.nz>
Message-ID: <003c01c7c60e$37cd6d40$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi All
This was CMC's final reply to me about Thompson Valves.
Regards
Peter



Hi Peter
I can tell you that Thompson which became TRW Corp has been broken up and
sold off to other companies.  There is neither Thompson nor TRW any longer.
I suspect these valves were produced at the old Bell California plant (also
long gone) for Thompson products. You might look online for a history of
American Corporations for further information; www.Hoovers.com or
www.onesource.com might get you started. Sorry not to be of more help.
Jeanette


From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Jul 14 06:51:35 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:51:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7c5f4$452e68f0$e8046c3a@fred>
References: <000a01c7c5f4$452e68f0$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070714235006.01a30390@ncable.com.au>

Nice toy Brian, I see you have them common engines out in the weather 
now! Wheres you PITT ?? I remember seeing it about where the new blacky is.
Russ

At 06:52 PM 14/07/2007, you wrote:
>Hi,
>A new toy arrived today,it was bought by my father in 1957, we 
>located it about 6 years ago and have been trying to purchase it 
>since, my son got a call 3 days ago asking if he still wanted it 
>seeing it belonged to his grandfather, a 4HP. inter. famous totaly 
>complete and dry stored for last 30 years, it will take pride of 
>place in our shed, photos on webshots link below,more photos when we 
>clean and get in the shed.
>Brian and David Watts
>Melbourne
>Australia
>(03) 97266147
>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Jul 14 08:58:51 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:58:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
Message-ID: <d16.11a6be13.33ca4cbb@aol.com>

Brian,
 
Nice engine to have back in the family!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 14 14:14:23 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:14:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] find a club
Message-ID: <001901c7c65b$f41b9380$6701a8c0@PaulNew>

I am looking for a list of engine clubs, I would like to find one not too
far from me.  Anyone kwon a link to such a list??

 

Paul Waugh - IN

 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Jul 14 14:25:42 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:25:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
Message-ID: <20070714.172853.212.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Congrats Brian and David


Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " How is it possible for Americans to denounce
  (_o_)                Communism and practice it simultaneously?"


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 15:19:42 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:19:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] find a club
In-Reply-To: <001901c7c65b$f41b9380$6701a8c0@PaulNew>
Message-ID: <17648.29348.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul,,,,,,,,,,
Just where in Indiana are you?
Get a Show Directory.  There are only 20 pages of Indiana shows listed. That's about 50 shows.

OR, Just go here, register and take a look.

http://www.farmcollectorshowdirectory.com/

IHTH
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

Paul <pwaugh at mchsi.com> wrote: I am looking for a list of engine clubs, I would like to find one not too
far from me.  Anyone kwon a link to such a list??

 

Paul Waugh - IN
 
       
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul 14 15:31:24 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:31:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
References: <000a01c7c5f4$452e68f0$e8046c3a@fred>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070714235006.01a30390@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <003f01c7c666$b6f34ab0$e8046c3a@fred>

Hi Russell,
We sold the Pitt, have decided to reduce quantity and go for quality, we 
were filling the shed with too many common engs.that were just taking up 
space, all that were sold can be replaced but as rarer ones come available 
we will start buying again,David will be moving house and there will be a 
new shed and I will get my garage back so we are still looking for more.
Regards.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toy


> Nice toy Brian, I see you have them common engines out in the weather
> now! Wheres you PITT ?? I remember seeing it about where the new blacky 
> is.
> Russ
>
> At 06:52 PM 14/07/2007, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>A new toy arrived today,it was bought by my father in 1957, we
>>located it about 6 years ago and have been trying to purchase it
>>since, my son got a call 3 days ago asking if he still wanted it
>>seeing it belonged to his grandfather, a 4HP. inter. famous totaly
>>complete and dry stored for last 30 years, it will take pride of
>>place in our shed, photos on webshots link below,more photos when we
>>clean and get in the shed.
>>Brian and David Watts
>>Melbourne
>>Australia
>>(03) 97266147
>>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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From enginehead1000 at yahoo.com.au  Sat Jul 14 15:33:28 2007
From: enginehead1000 at yahoo.com.au (david kaye)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:33:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] sundial "A" engine info, manuals, etc
Message-ID: <176110.88692.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

G'day all
 
i just wanted to say a big thank you to all the people how helped me out with photo and link the web page that could help me.
 
so thank you very much to all.
 
kind regards david


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From pwaugh at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 14 15:50:02 2007
From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:50:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] find a club
In-Reply-To: <17648.29348.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003501c7c669$50be6830$6701a8c0@PaulNew>

Thanks Alan
I had looked here, but had not done the entire state, more showed up, a
couple with in an hour drive
Paul Waugh - IN

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 6:20 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] find a club

Paul,,,,,,,,,,
Just where in Indiana are you?
Get a Show Directory.  There are only 20 pages of Indiana shows listed.
That's about 50 shows.

OR, Just go here, register and take a look.

http://www.farmcollectorshowdirectory.com/

IHTH
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

Paul <pwaugh at mchsi.com> wrote: I am looking for a list of engine clubs, I
would like to find one not too
far from me.  Anyone kwon a link to such a list??

 

Paul Waugh - IN
 
       
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Jul 14 16:19:03 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:19:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New Toy
In-Reply-To: <003f01c7c666$b6f34ab0$e8046c3a@fred>
References: <000a01c7c5f4$452e68f0$e8046c3a@fred>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070714235006.01a30390@ncable.com.au>
	<003f01c7c666$b6f34ab0$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070715091430.01a35b88@ncable.com.au>

Fair call I guess. Although Pitts dont grow oon trees anymore. I 
decided a year or two ago to do a similar thing but that for for the 
next level of engine below what you have been selling. A good way to 
dreate some more room. I went from about 60 engines back to 22. 
Although some of the newies seem to be a little on the big side :-)
Russell


>Hi Russell,
>We sold the Pitt, have decided to reduce quantity and go for quality, we
>were filling the shed with too many common engs.that were just taking up
>space, all that were sold can be replaced but as rarer ones come available
>we will start buying again,David will be moving house and there will be a
>new shed and I will get my garage back so we are still looking for more.
>Regards.
>Brian and David Watts
>Melbourne
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jul 15 16:05:38 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:05:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
Message-ID: <000a01c7c734$a9ae2ea0$e8046c3a@fred>

Hi, 
Can anyone help with the age of our latest engine, 4 HP. Hopper cooled Famous No. SC 4285. E. 
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au



From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 15 16:16:28 2007
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:16:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7c734$a9ae2ea0$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F2741C6DECABD999B838110BAFF0@phx.gbl>


Hi Brian, your engine is 1913,cheers Dave

>From: "Brian Watts" <briwatt at optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:05:38 +1000
>
>Hi,
>Can anyone help with the age of our latest engine, 4 HP. Hopper cooled 
>Famous No. SC 4285. E.
>Brian and David Watts
>Melbourne
>Australia
>(03) 97266147
>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Jul 15 16:22:43 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:22:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
References: <000a01c7c734$a9ae2ea0$e8046c3a@fred>
Message-ID: <001501c7c737$0d61f240$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Brian

My records show SC3616 - SC4965 as 1913. 4hp Famous Horizontal Hopper 
Cooled.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



> Hi,
> Can anyone help with the age of our latest engine, 4 HP. Hopper cooled 
> Famous No. SC 4285. E.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Jul 15 16:23:47 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:23:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
Message-ID: <380-220077015232347734@coastalnet.com>

1913

Go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/
for IHC numbers.

Take care,

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Watts <briwatt at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 7/16/2007 3:05:43 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
>
> Hi, 
> Can anyone help with the age of our latest engine, 4 HP. Hopper cooled
Famous No. SC 4285. E. 
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne 
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au




From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jul 15 18:05:11 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:05:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
References: <380-220077015232347734@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <002401c7c745$5ce857b0$e8046c3a@fred>

Thank you for the engine No. replys,great service,quick replys
Thanks guys
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous Age?


> 1913
>
> Go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/
> for IHC numbers.
>
> Take care,
>
> Ken
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Brian Watts <briwatt at optusnet.com.au>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: 7/16/2007 3:05:43 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] Famous Age?
>>
>> Hi,
>> Can anyone help with the age of our latest engine, 4 HP. Hopper cooled
> Famous No. SC 4285. E.
>> Brian and David Watts
>> Melbourne
>> Australia
>> (03) 97266147
>> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
>> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Jul 17 14:57:20 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:57:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>

Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are 
you all still alive?
Russell
Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 17 15:28:13 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:28:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <000301c7c8c1$c404f110$0601a8c0@altech>

Yes Russell
We are out in our sheds working on engines !!!!!
You will get square eyes in front of that computer ;-)))
Peter, Oz



> Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are 
> you all still alive?
> Russell
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Jul 17 15:34:12 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:34:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <469D43E4.5000406@scrtc.com>

Yup.  Just quiet I guess.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Russell Gilbert wrote:

>Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are 
>you all still alive?
>Russell
>Russell Gilbert
>Sunny Sunraysia
>russell at ncable.com.au
>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jul 17 15:54:41 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:54:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
Message-ID: <c45.1a2f9476.33cea2b1@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/17/2007 6:03:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
russell at ncable.com.au writes:

Are you all still alive?
 
Got up this morning breathing and name not in the paper.  Great feeling!

 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jul 17 15:57:56 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:57:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
Message-ID: <20070717.155757.1384.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

I'm still here.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:57:20 +1000 Russell Gilbert
<russell at ncable.com.au> writes:
> Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are 
> 
> you all still alive?
> Russell
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>


From shop at cccomm.net  Tue Jul 17 16:27:56 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:27:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engines that will be offered for sale
References: <468BEACF.6030707@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c7c8ca$1b1f65e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

I know I ain't supposed to do this but seem things are so quiet I thought 
some may be interested in this.

This is upsetting, thought I should pass it along.
Check your drivers license. Now you can see anyone's Driver's License on the 
Internet, including your own!

I just searched for mine and there it was...picture and all!
Thanks  Homeland Security! Privacy, where Is our right to it?

 I removed mine, I suggest you all do the same...... Go to the website and
check it out. Just enter your name, City and State to see if yours is on 
file.

After your license comes on the screen, click the box marked  Please Remove.
This will remove it from public viewing, but not from law enforcement.

 click the link below.

  http://www.license.shorturl.com/




 




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 17 16:38:58 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:38:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engines that will be offered for sale
References: <468BEACF.6030707@scrtc.com>
	<007e01c7c8ca$1b1f65e0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <004201c7c8cb$a6355da0$0601a8c0@altech>

Just because it is quite, I am not falling for that old joke.
Peter, oz





>I know I ain't supposed to do this but seem things are so quiet I thought
> some may be interested in this.
>
> This is upsetting, thought I should pass it along.
> Check your drivers license. Now you can see anyone's Driver's License on 
> the
> Internet, including your own!
>
> I just searched for mine and there it was...picture and all!
> Thanks  Homeland Security! Privacy, where Is our right to it?
>
> I removed mine, I suggest you all do the same...... Go to the website and
> check it out. Just enter your name, City and State to see if yours is on
> file.
>
> After your license comes on the screen, click the box marked  Please 
> Remove.
> This will remove it from public viewing, but not from law enforcement.
>
> click the link below.
>
>  http://www.license.shorturl.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Jul 17 17:18:56 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:18:56 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Engines that will be offered for sale
Message-ID: <d33.11b9a749.33ceb670@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/17/2007 4:33:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
shop at cccomm.net writes:

After  your license comes on the screen, click the box marked  Please  Remove.
This will remove it from public viewing, but not from law  enforcement.


Why remove it?  It is a exact picture of me.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  Ca




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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jul 17 20:21:58 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:21:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <EB8BED5B-DD3D-440B-A470-3BB79EC70336@alltel.net>

No, I died day before yesterday!
	Dave
On Jul 17, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are
> you all still alive?
> Russell


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 17 20:25:22 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:25:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
	<EB8BED5B-DD3D-440B-A470-3BB79EC70336@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000701c7c8eb$46536a10$0601a8c0@altech>

That's why it is quiet, they are all at your funeral/wake ;-)))
Peter


> No, I died day before yesterday!
> Dave
> On Jul 17, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> 
>> Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are
>> you all still alive?
>> Russell
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From page at velocitynet.com.au  Tue Jul 17 20:59:33 2007
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:59:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001d01c7c8f0$0d1d78d0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Hi All

Just signed back in after 4 months in the top end of Oz.  Have quite a few
photos of interest which I will post shortly or maybe a little longer.

Ron
Canberra





From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Jul 17 22:31:15 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:31:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <000301c7c8c1$c404f110$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
	<000301c7c8c1$c404f110$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718153014.01b65140@ncable.com.au>

Toooo Blooooody cold to work in the shed, bring on some warm weather 
again. Hey Dave I wonder if you will me missed!

At 08:28 AM 18/07/2007, you wrote:
>Yes Russell
>We are out in our sheds working on engines !!!!!
>You will get square eyes in front of that computer ;-)))
>Peter, Oz
>
>
>
> > Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are
> > you all still alive?
> > Russell
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From gibsongus at myway.com  Tue Jul 17 21:07:48 2007
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:07:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
Message-ID: <20070718040748.69A636765F@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Sorry to hear about David R passing on but I'm still here....-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Tue 07/17, &lt; rdhaskell at juno.com &gt; wrote:
From: [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:57:56 -0700Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!I'm still here.Ron Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside, CaliforniaUSAhttp://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&amp;f=0On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:57:20 +1000 Russell Gilbertwrites:&gt; Has been very quite this way with sel stuff. Nothing for 4 days? Are &gt; &gt; you all still alive?&gt; Russell&gt; Russell Gilbert&gt; Sunny Sunraysia&gt; russell at ncable.com.au&gt; http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics&gt;_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jul 18 03:43:46 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:43:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Tomm books on ebay
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718204005.01b6b0e8@ncable.com.au>

Have any of you guys followed the TOMM mags just finished on Aussie 
ebay?? 3 auctions; for the years subscriptions of 87,88 and 89 yearly 
issues of the TOMM, Gee exspensive reading I tell you. Basically 
$50.00 Aussie per copy? Nearly a better investment than the engines in them!
Russell
Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jul 18 04:55:24 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:55:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] A day at the sale
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718213905.01b6d518@ncable.com.au>

Just to get some engine talk going. Rumor had it I went to Qld just 
to go for an engine sale. Well thats a load of rubbish and could not 
be more far from the truth !!! What actually happened is that I took 
my family to Qld for a week of R & R and low and behold there just so 
happened to be a sale just up the road from me while we were there. 
So I gave the wife a few bob to go shopping (which is just no fun 
when I go) and so they could have a relaxing day I had to find myself 
something else to do!   So I dragged myself out of bed way before 
daylight, sneaked out of the house and went to the Dayboro engine sale :-o

I wish I had bigger pockets as there was some really nice stuff for 
sale. Prices were very reasonable I must say. I met up with some 
mates from down south (some from the SEL) and met some other engine 
folks of names I have heard spoken about. Bought a couple of roughy 
engines; spent the rest of the day with Tim Macaire from the Anson 
Museum (who also bought a rusty old engine) before we both went to 
John Rutherfords place (Tangye restorer from the TOMM) for more 
engine fun. Burnt up 1/2 a litre of Jet A1 in his little jet engine 
he has made. What a great toy. Ran out out of juice in about 3 
minutes!  Also had a play in the big shed seeing and starting the new 
Tangye from the last TOMM. Very nice resto once again and a must see 
from anyone going to the National.

So there you go; if you want to see the couple of engines I bought I 
just put them up on my webshots in "MY Shed" pics. They are the first 
two you see.
regards Russell

PS: got home just after dark to share a nice cold beer with the wife 
who only beat me back buy about 20minutes. She had a good day also :-)


Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jul 18 06:08:40 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:08:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718153014.01b65140@ncable.com.au>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>	<000301c7c8c1$c404f110$0601a8c0@altech>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070718153014.01b65140@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <469E10D8.8090108@imc-group.com>

Aww, what it's down to, 26C (80F) ? :-)
Does it ever really get cold in Mildura? Have you ever had frost?
Curt

Russell Gilbert wrote:
> Toooo Blooooody cold to work in the shed, bring on some warm weather 
> again. Hey Dave I wonder if you will me missed!
>
> At 08:28 AM 18/07/2007, you wrote:
>   
>> Yes Russell
>> We are out in our sheds working on engines !!!!!
>> You will get square eyes in front of that computer ;-)))
>> Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>>>       



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 18 06:18:09 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:18:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Tomm books on ebay
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718204005.01b6b0e8@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001b01c7c93e$16222400$0601a8c0@altech>

I have copies before Lance & Elenore took over, issue 27+.
Peter



> Have any of you guys followed the TOMM mags just finished on Aussie
> ebay?? 3 auctions; for the years subscriptions of 87,88 and 89 yearly
> issues of the TOMM, Gee exspensive reading I tell you. Basically
> $50.00 Aussie per copy? Nearly a better investment than the engines in 
> them!
> Russell
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jul 18 08:46:30 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:46:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <469E10D8.8090108@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOPFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Russell & Curt:

I just GOTTA ask..........What is the cash crop in Mildura?  Mildew?

If so, do you folks have a Robigus Festival every spring?  You know, stuff like parades of mildew combines and balers and lots of booths giving away samples of products made of mildew.  Must be a place where everyone wears blue (and green and white) suede shoes.

In Roman mythology, Robigus ("wheat rust" or "mildew") was a fertility god who protected crops against diseases. He was worshipped alongside his sister Robigo for over 1700 years. His festival was the Robigalia on April 25. Worshipers would make offerings that were coloured red, such as red wine or the sacrifice of red dogs, as this is the colour of wheat rust.

I can go with the red wine part (offered to ME!) but will gladly leave out the dog part.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Curt
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 08:09 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
> 
> 
> Aww, what it's down to, 26C (80F) ? :-)
> Does it ever really get cold in Mildura? Have you 
> ever had frost?
> Curt




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jul 18 07:39:02 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:39:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <20070718040748.69A636765F@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20070718040748.69A636765F@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <98ADC800-C438-4CDB-9DAA-796029189CB8@rustyiron.com>

On Jul 17, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Gus wrote:
>  Sorry to hear about David R passing on but I'm still here...


Yeah Gus,
It certainly is a bummer about Dr. Dave's untimely demise.
But look on the bright side, it should be one hell of an auction!

Rob





From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 08:48:17 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:48:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <469E10D8.8090108@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <554375.96228.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Curt,

Go to http://www.weatherzone.com.au/
Part way down the page you can enter Mildura to get his local weather.
It is just 1 degree C below freezing as I see it.

Lower on that Mildura page I found the record weather info kinda funny.
Here is the lowest recorded temp for July.

           lowest on record -4.0?C on 21st 1982

Is their July supposed to be like our February ?

I would much rather spend winters down there than summers.

Alan Bowen





         
                   


Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote: Aww, what it's down to, 26C (80F) ? :-)
Does it ever really get cold in Mildura? Have you ever had frost?
Curt

Russell Gilbert wrote:
> Toooo Blooooody cold to work in the shed, bring on some warm weather again. Hey Dave I wonder if you will be missed!

       
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 18 10:20:56 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:20:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <554375.96228.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <554375.96228.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707181318480.13417@vegeta.city-net.com>

-4 C cold???  Bloody hell.  Buncha pansy-assed wusses!!
That's T-shirt & shorts weather in Pencilboneya!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:

> Go to http://www.weatherzone.com.au/
> Part way down the page you can enter Mildura to get his local weather.
> It is just 1 degree C below freezing as I see it.
>
> Lower on that Mildura page I found the record weather info kinda funny.
> Here is the lowest recorded temp for July.
>
>   lowest on record -4.0?C on 21st 1982




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jul 18 11:17:50 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:17:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
Message-ID: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>

Guys and gals,
This is kinda engine related.....at least it has an engine. :-)
Son Devin is a little over 14 now and in a couple of years will be 
driving. So we've been thinking about what kind of vehicle would be kewl 
for a kid to drive yet won't go too fast. Granddad had an old Willys 
Overland  Jeep wagon that I remember driving in the orange groves in 
Florida in years ago. So I've been sending Devin pictures of these 
wagons and somewhere in there he discovered the pickups. That was what 
he decided he wanted. I tried to explain to him that there wasn't much 
room in the cab of these pickups, and if he was carrying a saxophone and 
a book bag, there would be no room left for a passenger. But I didn't 
convince him......
So I decided I needed to find both a pickup and a wagon for him to sit 
in. Got lucky and found both not too far away and last Saturday the 
family went to check them out. Devin sat in the truck for about 2 
minutes and concluded that it didn't fit him. (Can't move the seat 
back!) He immediately changed his sites to the wagon and fell head over 
heals for it. So yesterday we took the truck and trailer and picked the 
wagon up. Missy was busy on the camera and took these photos as we 
loaded and unloaded.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Willys%20Overland/Thumbnails.html>

So we've got a project that will take us a couple of years to complete. 
As you can imagine Devin is pretty excited and ready to get started. 
Hopefully with all the sweat equity he puts in it, he will take good 
care of it.
Hope you enjoy. If anyone knows a source of parts for these please let 
me know.....especially sheet metal patch panels.
Curt




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Jul 18 12:26:46 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:26:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Jeep
Message-ID: <20070718192650.80A819E7C5E@mx-in01.iad.mail-abuse.org>

Hi, Curt, the Jeep wagon is OK but who manufactured that great trailer?
Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca.

 

Jim O'Hagan

 




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 18 13:38:04 2007
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:38:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RIP Evil Dave... was anyone allive?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1184774402.32333.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-F3274C773A92DD87B07C8D3C7FA0@phx.gbl>


>On Jul 17, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Gus wrote:
> >  Sorry to hear about David R passing on but I'm still here...
>
>
>Yeah Gus,
>It certainly is a bummer about Dr. Dave's untimely demise.
>But look on the bright side, it should be one hell of an auction!
>
>Rob
Naw, probably 95% Maytag stuff.

_________________________________________________________________
http://newlivehotmail.com



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 14:08:56 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:08:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures
Message-ID: <6f6025160707181408y47107b7exc8514525681000de@mail.gmail.com>

We got hold of a Nordberg folder this year with a lot of very high
quality black and white photographs and hand-typed descriptions,
dating from the late 1940's. The pictures cover Nordberg's facilities
and manufactured products during the War years and just after.

Unfortunately, the binder had what was in those days a lot of very
nice clear pockets for the pictures, but these has wrinkled badly with
age and had affected the pictures as well.

3 months under a pile of heavy books has taken the ripples out to the
point where we could scan the pictures and get them onto the website:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nordberg/Nordmenu.htm

The machine shop and parts store pictures are particularly
interesting, showing the large 2-stroke engine liners being made and
stored.

There are a few more to come, but the bulk of them are there.

We will also split the menu into four pages as we are going to put
thumbnail menus for all the Nordberg items.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul 18 15:27:41 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:27:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
References: <554375.96228.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707181318480.13417@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c7c98a$df285260$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Crap! 4 deg C and I am shivering.
BUT, we dont have heated workshops!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!


-4 C cold???  Bloody hell.  Buncha pansy-assed wusses!!
That's T-shirt & shorts weather in Pencilboneya!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:

> Go to http://www.weatherzone.com.au/
> Part way down the page you can enter Mildura to get his local weather.
> It is just 1 degree C below freezing as I see it.
>
> Lower on that Mildura page I found the record weather info kinda funny.
> Here is the lowest recorded temp for July.
>
>   lowest on record -4.0?C on 21st 1982


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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 18 15:36:35 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:36:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
References: <554375.96228.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0707181318480.13417@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<008e01c7c98a$df285260$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <005101c7c98c$19250750$0601a8c0@altech>

I do Reg, 5 deg C outside and 25 deg C inside my workshop, lovely.
Pete, Oz





Crap! 4 deg C and I am shivering.
BUT, we dont have heated workshops!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!


-4 C cold???  Bloody hell.  Buncha pansy-assed wusses!!
That's T-shirt & shorts weather in Pencilboneya!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:

> Go to http://www.weatherzone.com.au/
> Part way down the page you can enter Mildura to get his local weather.
> It is just 1 degree C below freezing as I see it.
>
> Lower on that Mildura page I found the record weather info kinda funny.
> Here is the lowest recorded temp for July.
>
>   lowest on record -4.0?C on 21st 1982


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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jul 18 15:57:24 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:57:24 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures
References: <6f6025160707181408y47107b7exc8514525681000de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b401c7c98f$02d5f0b0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures


> We got hold of a Nordberg folder this year with a lot of very high
> quality black and white photographs and hand-typed descriptions,
> dating from the late 1940's. The pictures cover Nordberg's facilities
> and manufactured products during the War years and just after.
> Unfortunately, the binder had what was in those days a lot of very
> nice clear pockets for the pictures, but these has wrinkled badly with
> age and had affected the pictures as well.
> 3 months under a pile of heavy books has taken the ripples out to the
> point where we could scan the pictures and get them onto the website:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nordberg/Nordmenu.htm
> The machine shop and parts store pictures are particularly
> interesting, showing the large 2-stroke engine liners being made and
> stored.
> There are a few more to come, but the bulk of them are there.
> We will also split the menu into four pages as we are going to put
> thumbnail menus for all the Nordberg items.
> Peter

Hi Peter,a very interesting folder that I didn't know anything about.
I googled it to see if any were on display anywhere & I was suprised
to see that your site reference was already being quoted as a site in
several places for information on the engine.
Fame comes quick these days. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 18 16:13:51 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:13:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] A day at the sale
Message-ID: <c5c.166f4415.33cff8af@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/18/2007 8:03:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
russell at ncable.com.au writes:

What actually happened is that I took 
my family to Qld for a week of R & R and low and behold there just so 
happened to be a sale just up the road from me while we were there. 

 
Geesh Russell, do you really think us Yanks are so naive to believe that BS?
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jul 18 16:19:00 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:19:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <469E10D8.8090108@imc-group.com>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070718075623.01b619d0@ncable.com.au>
	<000301c7c8c1$c404f110$0601a8c0@altech>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070718153014.01b65140@ncable.com.au>
	<469E10D8.8090108@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719091558.01b73908@ncable.com.au>

Curt you will find it hard to beleive but Mildura is considered 
desert country so in Winter frost are very common. We don't get the 
realy low that you might, about minus 3 or maybe a rare minus 4 will 
be the wurst it gets. Had minus 1 yesterday and this morning. 
Currently zero at 9.15am. Way to cold for us when our optimum temp is 
a plesent 35 or so.

At 11:08 PM 18/07/2007, you wrote:
>Aww, what it's down to, 26C (80F) ? :-)
>Does it ever really get cold in Mildura? Have you ever had frost?
>Curt
>
>Russell Gilbert wrote:
> > Toooo Blooooody cold to work in the shed, bring on some warm weather
> > again. Hey Dave I wonder if you will me missed!
> >
> > At 08:28 AM 18/07/2007, you wrote:
> >
> >> Yes Russell
> >> We are out in our sheds working on engines !!!!!
> >> You will get square eyes in front of that computer ;-)))
> >> Peter, Oz
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
>
>_______________________________________________
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jul 18 16:21:22 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:21:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOPFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <469E10D8.8090108@imc-group.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOPFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719092034.01b6de80@ncable.com.au>

Elden I don't understand the question!  what is "cash" ??
Russell

At 01:46 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
>Russell & Curt:
>
>I just GOTTA ask..........What is the cash crop in Mildura?  Mildew?
>
>If so, do you folks have a Robigus Festival every spring?  You know, 
>stuff like parades of mildew combines and balers and lots of booths 
>giving away samples of products made of mildew.  Must be a place 
>where everyone wears blue (and green and white) suede shoes.
>
>In Roman mythology, Robigus ("wheat rust" or "mildew") was a 
>fertility god who protected crops against diseases. He was 
>worshipped alongside his sister Robigo for over 1700 years. His 
>festival was the Robigalia on April 25. Worshipers would make 
>offerings that were coloured red, such as red wine or the sacrifice 
>of red dogs, as this is the colour of wheat rust.
>
>I can go with the red wine part (offered to ME!) but will gladly 
>leave out the dog part.
>
>Take care - Elden
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Curt
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 08:09 AM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
> >
> >
> > Aww, what it's down to, 26C (80F) ? :-)
> > Does it ever really get cold in Mildura? Have you
> > ever had frost?
> > Curt
>
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jul 18 16:24:09 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:24:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707181318480.13417@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <554375.96228.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707181318480.13417@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719092226.01b79ad8@ncable.com.au>

Arnie you must come over one day in Janurary and 
I'll take you cruzin in my Pontiac, stop by a 
watering hole is you find it hard to manage the 
pleasant 45 degrees. Curt and Missy survied it! 
Surely it would be something you could breeze through.
Russell

At 03:20 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
>-4 C cold???  Bloody hell.  Buncha pansy-assed wusses!!
>That's T-shirt & shorts weather in Pencilboneya!!  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
> > Go to http://www.weatherzone.com.au/
> > Part way down the page you can enter Mildura to get his local weather.
> > It is just 1 degree C below freezing as I see it.
> >
> > Lower on that Mildura page I found the record weather info kinda funny.
> > Here is the lowest recorded temp for July.
> >
> >   lowest on record -4.0?C on 21st 1982
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jul 18 18:26:03 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:26:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
In-Reply-To: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEPNFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Curt & Devin:

That looks like a nice straight Jeep!  I hope youall are gonna restore it and take off those ugly wheels!  Gonna keep the driveline stock?

Parts ought to be available from more than one source.  I think last time I looked at a JC Whitney catalog, they carried some Jeep stuff.

http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/StoreCatalogDisplay/c-10101/s-10101

Great find and Good luck!

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Curt
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 01:18 PM
> To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org); slick at toltbbs.com
> Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
> 
> 
> Guys and gals,
> This is kinda engine related.....at least it has 
> an engine. :-)
> Son Devin is a little over 14 now and in a couple 
> of years will be 
> driving. So we've been thinking about what kind 
> of vehicle would be kewl 
> for a kid to drive yet won't go too fast. 
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jul 18 18:34:55 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:34:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160707181408y47107b7exc8514525681000de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEPOFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Thanks for the pictures!  I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of 'em.

I kind of have a fascination with rather large old iron.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 04:09 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jul 18 18:44:08 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:44:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719092034.01b6de80@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEPOFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Russell:

Oh, yes - you guys are are from down under.  

Taking the chance that you're not kidding me........In this part of the upper side of the world, a cash crop is a crop that makes money for the farmer.  Could be just about anything.

I've been poking fun at your town name but you need to know where I'm coming from.  I was raised in a little town in Kentucky called Pewee Valley (yes - with three 'e's in Pewee).  I figure I've got the right to make fun of your town.    :-)

Hands across the sea and all that rot.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Russell
> Gilbert
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 06:21 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
> 
> 
> Elden I don't understand the question!  what is "cash" ??
> Russell
> 
> At 01:46 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
> >Russell & Curt:
> >
> >I just GOTTA ask..........What is the cash crop 
> in Mildura?  Mildew?




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 18 17:46:00 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:46:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEPOFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c7c99e$2ddad3c0$0601a8c0@altech>

Around here a cash crop is Marijuana ;-))

Peter, Oz




> Russell:
>
> Oh, yes - you guys are are from down under.
>
> Taking the chance that you're not kidding me........In this part of the 
> upper side of the world, a cash crop is a crop that makes money for the 
> farmer.  Could be just about anything.
>
> I've been poking fun at your town name but you need to know where I'm 
> coming from.  I was raised in a little town in Kentucky called Pewee 
> Valley (yes - with three 'e's in Pewee).  I figure I've got the right to 
> make fun of your town.    :-)
>
> Hands across the sea and all that rot.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Russell
>> Gilbert
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 06:21 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
>>
>>
>> Elden I don't understand the question!  what is "cash" ??
>> Russell
>>
>> At 01:46 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
>> >Russell & Curt:
>> >
>> >I just GOTTA ask..........What is the cash crop
>> in Mildura?  Mildew?
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jul 18 19:05:12 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:05:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <001f01c7c99e$2ddad3c0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEPPFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Cool, dude!

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 07:46 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
> 
> 
> Around here a cash crop is Marijuana ;-))
> 
> Peter, Oz




From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jul 18 18:16:25 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:16:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEPOFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719092034.01b6de80@ncable.com.au>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEPOFOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719110513.01b82ff8@ncable.com.au>

Elden don't worry I have a good sense of humor. Also know all about 
cash crops. Mildura was built on them ???? Was close to the grass 
growing capital on Oz once.

mmmmm ............... "Pewee"  ....... hehehe
I wont go there.
cheers, Russell



At 11:44 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
>Russell:
>
>Oh, yes - you guys are are from down under.
>
>Taking the chance that you're not kidding me........In this part of 
>the upper side of the world, a cash crop is a crop that makes money 
>for the farmer.  Could be just about anything.
>
>I've been poking fun at your town name but you need to know where 
>I'm coming from.  I was raised in a little town in Kentucky called 
>Pewee Valley (yes - with three 'e's in Pewee).  I figure I've got 
>the right to make fun of your town.    :-)
>
>Hands across the sea and all that rot.
>
>Take care - Elden
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Russell
> > Gilbert
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 06:21 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
> >
> >
> > Elden I don't understand the question!  what is "cash" ??
> > Russell
> >
> > At 01:46 AM 19/07/2007, you wrote:
> > >Russell & Curt:
> > >
> > >I just GOTTA ask..........What is the cash crop
> > in Mildura?  Mildew?
>
>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 18 12:53:49 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:53:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
Message-ID: <20070718.224908.860.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Nice Jeep Curt,
 
I'm amazed at the little amount of rust I see - 
and - A seat with no holes in it.
Especially on a vehicle that's 46 years old !

What a neat car !!!
 
Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 20:03:06 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:03:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
In-Reply-To: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <925095.85930.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Very cool truck there.
Thank for the pix.
I am willing to bet you will do better by that one than my step-father did with the 1942-43 Willy's panel truck that he bought in 1965.
He pulled the engine and rebuilt it then put it back in the truck.
I thought all was well when it started and ran so nice around the yard.
BUT,,, here is where things went bad,,,
The old geezer wanted a pickup.
He started cutting that body up and just about the time it began looking like a pickup he found a great deal on a 1962 Chevy C 100  and left the Willy's sitting then unfinished for a year then scrapped it out.  He cut that body up into pieces and hauled the pieces away in the Chevy.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote: Guys and gals,
This is kinda engine related.....at least it has an engine. :-)
Son Devin is a little over 14 now and in a couple of years will be 
driving. So we've been thinking about what kind of vehicle would be kewl 
for a kid to drive yet won't go too fast. Granddad had an old Willys 
Overland  Jeep wagon that I remember driving in the orange groves in 
Florida in years ago. So I've been sending Devin pictures of these 
wagons and somewhere in there he discovered the pickups. That was what 
he decided he wanted. I tried to explain to him that there wasn't much 
room in the cab of these pickups, and if he was carrying a saxophone and 
a book bag, there would be no room left for a passenger. But I didn't 
convince him......
So I decided I needed to find both a pickup and a wagon for him to sit 
in. Got lucky and found both not too far away and last Saturday the 
family went to check them out. Devin sat in the truck for about 2 
minutes and concluded that it didn't fit him. (Can't move the seat 
back!) He immediately changed his sites to the wagon and fell head over 
heals for it. So yesterday we took the truck and trailer and picked the 
wagon up. Missy was busy on the camera and took these photos as we 
loaded and unloaded.


So we've got a project that will take us a couple of years to complete. 
As you can imagine Devin is pretty excited and ready to get started. 
Hopefully with all the sweat equity he puts in it, he will take good 
care of it.
Hope you enjoy. If anyone knows a source of parts for these please let 
me know.....especially sheet metal patch panels.
Curt


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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 18 23:03:49 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:03:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help to identify from UK members
Message-ID: <004701c7c9ca$937df230$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all
I have an email from someone called Lana Jones who say they work for "shine 
express shipping company" here in united kingdom.
Is there such a company or am I being scammed.

They report to have I think an igntior for my vertical engine or a whole 
engine, I am waiting for photos.


Peter, Oz 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 18 23:12:57 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:12:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help to identify from UK members
Message-ID: <005a01c7c9cb$da039380$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

 I found this http://www.shine-usa.com/shineexpresseurope.html

I will find out from the photos they send to see if I am on the right track 
and then might solicit Peter Forbes, Jim & Helen, Nev Beaty or Dave Croft, 
who ever is geographically closest to make contact with this person.
That is if you guys do not mind, I pay expenses.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 03:46:12 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:46:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures
In-Reply-To: <00b401c7c98f$02d5f0b0$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <6f6025160707181408y47107b7exc8514525681000de@mail.gmail.com>
	<00b401c7c98f$02d5f0b0$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707190346n2a5e7ee6jcb35be6b1b141b6c@mail.gmail.com>

On 18/07/07, Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter,a very interesting folder that I didn't know anything about.
> I googled it to see if any were on display anywhere & I was suprised
> to see that your site reference was already being quoted as a site in
> several places for information on the engine.
> Fame comes quick these days. 8^)
> Dave Croft

Since Nordberg stopped making engines after a buy-out in the 1970's,
there has not been a lot of information anywhere on the web. I don't
know why this should be as they owned Busch-Sulzer as well as their
own brand of engines, and they were a very large company in USA terms.

We have put together what material we have and what we have managed to
get on ebay and other sources over the years.

The large TSG19 engine in Bryan, OH is one we should be visiting
before Portland this year.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 06:14:01 2007
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:14:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
Message-ID: <07ad01c7ca06$af4b9850$e869c240@OFFICELEW>

Hey guys
 
Been seeing the stuff on the news bout the steam pipe rupture in NYC;
got a curiosity.
 
I recall seeing steam coming up from grids, etc. in Chicago & NYC when
we visited there when I was a little kid.  Here in the south one never
sees that AFAIK unless it's maybe in bigger cities (Dallas, etc.) than
here.  Down here there are no steam lines buried under the streets I
don't think.  According to the news they said steam pipe leaks happen up
there fairly often; just not "big bangs" like this one.  
 
My curiosity is what is this steam for?  Where is it produced?  They
said this pipe dated back to 1924.
 
Lew Best near Waco, TX
 

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 19 07:23:16 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:23:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] anyone still alive!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070719110513.01b82ff8@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEAGFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Russell:

You wouldn't be the first.........Others have been there many times before.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Russell
> Gilbert
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 08:16 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] anyone still alive!
> 
> 
> Elden don't worry I have a good sense of humor. 
> Also know all about 
> cash crops. Mildura was built on them ???? Was 
> close to the grass 
> growing capital on Oz once.
> 
> mmmmm ............... "Pewee"  ....... hehehe
> I wont go there.
> cheers, Russell




From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 19 07:55:21 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:55:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
In-Reply-To: <07ad01c7ca06$af4b9850$e869c240@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEAIFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Lew:

Years ago, companies set-up central boiler plants to supply steam to buildings in the center city areas.  The steam was used for heat, both air and water.  I know that in Louisville, KY, there was still such a system operating as of a few years ago.

I guess that these systems are still in use because of the prohibitive cost of retrofitting modern systems into old buildings.  It'd be interesting to know if there are any new buildings being built that use central steam plants.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Lew Best
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 08:14 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
> 
................................snip..........

> My curiosity is what is this steam for?  Where is 
> it produced?  They
> said this pipe dated back to 1924.
>  
> Lew Best near Waco, TX




From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 07:00:24 2007
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:00:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEAIFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <07ca01c7ca0d$28338880$e869c240@OFFICELEW>

Thanks Elden

I hadn't even thought bout them in years!

Lew
 

-----Original Message-----


Years ago, companies set-up central boiler plants to supply steam to
buildings in the center city areas.  The steam was used for heat, both
air and water.  I know that in Louisville, KY, there was still such a
system operating as of a few years ago.

I guess that these systems are still in use because of the prohibitive
cost of retrofitting modern systems into old buildings.  It'd be
interesting to know if there are any new buildings being built that use
central steam plants.

Take care - Elden 



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From mullt at att.net  Thu Jul 19 07:25:28 2007
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:25:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
Message-ID: <071920071425.27342.469F7458000CAA8600006ACE21603760219B04049A03@att.net>

Most new hospitals have central steam plants. The steam has a number of uses in a hospital including heating of the building, domestic hot water, humidificaction, sterilization and a number of other uses. It can also provide cooling with absrobption chillers. Several of the older college campuses have central steam plants and when a new building is built, it is usually connected to the steam system.

St. Louis has a steam loop in the downtown area. Most of the new buildings are connected to the steam loop for heating, etc. There is a steam boiler plant in a building near the downtown area. I think it used to burn coal in the boilers  but uses natural gas now. At one time, they were looking a burning trash to generate steam but that turned out to not be economically feasible.

Tom in St. Louis

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>
> Lew:
> 
> Years ago, companies set-up central boiler plants to supply steam to buildings 
> in the center city areas.  The steam was used for heat, both air and water.  I 
> know that in Louisville, KY, there was still such a system operating as of a few 
> years ago.
> 
> I guess that these systems are still in use because of the prohibitive cost of 
> retrofitting modern systems into old buildings.  It'd be interesting to know if 
> there are any new buildings being built that use central steam plants.
> 
> Take care - Elden 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Lew Best
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 08:14 AM
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
> > 
> ................................snip..........
> 
> > My curiosity is what is this steam for?  Where is 
> > it produced?  They
> > said this pipe dated back to 1924.
> >  
> > Lew Best near Waco, TX
> 
> 
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 07:44:45 2007
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:44:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
In-Reply-To: <071920071425.27342.469F7458000CAA8600006ACE21603760219B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <07d101c7ca13$5a738ce0$e869c240@OFFICELEW>

Interesting!

Lew
 

-----Original Message-----
 
Most new hospitals have central steam plants. The steam has a number of
uses in a hospital including heating of the building, domestic hot
water, humidificaction, sterilization and a number of other uses. It can
also provide cooling with absrobption chillers. Several of the older
college campuses have central steam plants and when a new building is
built, it is usually connected to the steam system.

St. Louis has a steam loop in the downtown area. Most of the new
buildings are connected to the steam loop for heating, etc. There is a
steam boiler plant in a building near the downtown area. I think it used
to burn coal in the boilers  but uses natural gas now. At one time, they
were looking a burning trash to generate steam but that turned out to
not be economically feasible.

Tom in St. Louis



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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jul 19 08:00:18 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:00:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
Message-ID: <20070719.110049.860.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Lew,
Eldon has replyed to your question.

I think (think) there are still a few buildings in Downtown Pittsburgh
that use
a central boiler system for heat.  Although I've worked in construction
in Downtown
Pittsburgh and have used several underground tunnels that connect
different buildings, 
I've never seen the boiler plant that supplies this steam.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
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  (_o_)                Communism and practice it simultaneously?"


From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jul 19 08:10:29 2007
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:40:29 +0930
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
References: <07ad01c7ca06$af4b9850$e869c240@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <001401c7ca16$f209faa0$df05af3a@chaos>

http://www.coned.com/history/steam.asp

Today, Con Edison operates the largest district steam system in the United 
States. The system contains 105 miles of mains and service pipes, providing 
steam for heating, hot water, and air conditioning to approximately 1,800 
customers in Manhattan.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lew Best" <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe


> Hey guys
>
> Been seeing the stuff on the news bout the steam pipe rupture in NYC;
> got a curiosity.
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jul 19 09:05:35 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:05:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
In-Reply-To: <071920071425.27342.469F7458000CAA8600006ACE21603760219B04049A03@att.net>
References: <071920071425.27342.469F7458000CAA8600006ACE21603760219B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707191203220.18571@vegeta.city-net.com>

Lew,

Pittsburgh also has a number of those steam thermal energy plants that
serve the downtown area.  Here's one I found...
http://www.nrgthermal.com/Centers/Pitts/index.htm

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 mullt at att.net wrote:

> Most new hospitals have central steam plants. The steam has a number of uses in a hospital including heating of the building, domestic hot water, humidificaction, sterilization and a number of other uses. It can also provide cooling with absrobption chillers. Several of the older college campuses have central steam plants and when a new building is built, it is usually connected to the steam system.
>
> St. Louis has a steam loop in the downtown area. Most of the new buildings are connected to the steam loop for heating, etc. There is a steam boiler plant in a building near the downtown area. I think it used to burn coal in the boilers  but uses natural gas now. At one time, they were looking a burning trash to generate steam but that turned out to not be economically feasible.
>
> Tom in St. Louis
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> >
> > Years ago, companies set-up central boiler plants to supply steam to buildings
> > in the center city areas.  The steam was used for heat, both air and water.  I
> > know that in Louisville, KY, there was still such a system operating as of a few
> > years ago.
> >
> > I guess that these systems are still in use because of the prohibitive cost of
> > retrofitting modern systems into old buildings.  It'd be interesting to know if
> > there are any new buildings being built that use central steam plants.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >  Behalf Of Lew Best
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 08:14 AM
> >
> > > My curiosity is what is this steam for?  Where is
> > > it produced?



From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Jul 19 11:26:34 2007
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:26:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
In-Reply-To: <071920071425.27342.469F7458000CAA8600006ACE21603760219B04049A03@att.net>
References: <071920071425.27342.469F7458000CAA8600006ACE21603760219B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c7ca32$58fe60f0$3464a8c0@Eagle>

	Bowling Green State University in Bowling Green, Ohio has a central
steam plant for the campus. It is used for heating in almost all buildings.
Also used for cooking in the dining halls. Steam humidity control is another
use. The campus is undermined with tunnels carrying steam lines, water,
electricity and communication wiring.


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of mullt at att.net
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:25 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe

Most new hospitals have central steam plants. The steam has a number of uses
in a hospital including heating of the building, domestic hot water,
humidificaction, sterilization and a number of other uses. It can also
provide cooling with absrobption chillers. Several of the older college
campuses have central steam plants and when a new building is built, it is
usually connected to the steam system.

St. Louis has a steam loop in the downtown area. Most of the new buildings
are connected to the steam loop for heating, etc. There is a steam boiler
plant in a building near the downtown area. I think it used to burn coal in
the boilers  but uses natural gas now. At one time, they were looking a
burning trash to generate steam but that turned out to not be economically
feasible.

Tom in St. Louis

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>
> Lew:
> 
> Years ago, companies set-up central boiler plants to supply steam to 
> buildings in the center city areas.  The steam was used for heat, both 
> air and water.  I know that in Louisville, KY, there was still such a 
> system operating as of a few years ago.
> 
> I guess that these systems are still in use because of the prohibitive 
> cost of retrofitting modern systems into old buildings.  It'd be 
> interesting to know if there are any new buildings being built that use
central steam plants.
> 
> Take care - Elden
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Lew Best
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 08:14 AM
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
> > 
> ................................snip..........
> 
> > My curiosity is what is this steam for?  Where is it produced?  They 
> > said this pipe dated back to 1924.
> >  
> > Lew Best near Waco, TX
> 
> 
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 11:39:27 2007
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:39:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
In-Reply-To: <000c01c7ca32$58fe60f0$3464a8c0@Eagle>
Message-ID: <082501c7ca34$2c64c460$e869c240@OFFICELEW>

THANKS EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This has been a real educational event for me!  Great!!  Had no idea
such as this existed.

Lew near Waco, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Willman
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:27 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe

	Bowling Green State University in Bowling Green, Ohio has a
central
steam plant for the campus. It is used for heating in almost all
buildings.
Also used for cooking in the dining halls. Steam humidity control is
another
use. The campus is undermined with tunnels carrying steam lines, water,
electricity and communication wiring.


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
mullt at att.net
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:25 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe

Most new hospitals have central steam plants. The steam has a number of
uses
in a hospital including heating of the building, domestic hot water,
humidificaction, sterilization and a number of other uses. It can also
provide cooling with absrobption chillers. Several of the older college
campuses have central steam plants and when a new building is built, it
is
usually connected to the steam system.

St. Louis has a steam loop in the downtown area. Most of the new
buildings
are connected to the steam loop for heating, etc. There is a steam
boiler
plant in a building near the downtown area. I think it used to burn coal
in
the boilers  but uses natural gas now. At one time, they were looking a
burning trash to generate steam but that turned out to not be
economically
feasible.

Tom in St. Louis

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>
> Lew:
> 
> Years ago, companies set-up central boiler plants to supply steam to 
> buildings in the center city areas.  The steam was used for heat, both

> air and water.  I know that in Louisville, KY, there was still such a 
> system operating as of a few years ago.
> 
> I guess that these systems are still in use because of the prohibitive

> cost of retrofitting modern systems into old buildings.  It'd be 
> interesting to know if there are any new buildings being built that
use
central steam plants.
> 
> Take care - Elden
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Lew Best
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 08:14 AM
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] Maybe OT; steam pipe
> > 
> ................................snip..........
> 
> > My curiosity is what is this steam for?  Where is it produced?  They

> > said this pipe dated back to 1924.
> >  
> > Lew Best near Waco, TX
> 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 19 12:05:27 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:05:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
Message-ID: <071920071905.4296.469FB5F7000CB1B3000010C8219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Today I judged our local 4H fair kids with their small engine projects and had 
a 10yr old youngster bring a nicely restored briggs engine to display.  
Needless to say he received a blue ribbon and I recommended he take his engine 
to our Illinois state fair.  He was asking me for help in dating the engine so 
really could use your help.

Briggs Eng:  Model: 5s   Type:  700302 Ser: 1135296

thank you in advance.
Curt Andree


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Jul 19 12:40:43 2007
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:40:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Fuller and johnson
Message-ID: <008c01c7ca3c$b3fe8980$f087e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi All,
        Just starting to restore a Fuller and Johnson NB 2 hp dated at 1925 as dated by Verne Kindschi. According to the records this engine was supplied to Construction Machine Co Waterloo Iowa possibly in a concrete mixer. 
    I was wondering if anyone has a picture of a engine in a concrete mixer. 

thanks in advance,

    Craig in Scotland


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jul 19 12:40:58 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:40:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
Message-ID: <20070719.124059.1944.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

It looks like Feb of 1953 to me.
 http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#5S
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:05:27 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> Today I judged our local 4H fair kids with their small engine 
> projects and had 
> a 10yr old youngster bring a nicely restored briggs engine to 
> display.  
> Needless to say he received a blue ribbon and I recommended he take 
> his engine 
> to our Illinois state fair.  He was asking me for help in dating the 
> engine so 
> really could use your help.
> 
> Briggs Eng:  Model: 5s   Type:  700302 Ser: 1135296
> 
> thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 13:36:26 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:36:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
In-Reply-To: <20070719.124059.1944.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <572441.6305.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry, Ron, but make that March of 1953.

>From that site,  8>))

        1127641              is the last 5S built in February.
1138387 is the last 5S built in March.
His 1135296 would have been built in March.

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: It looks like Feb of 1953 to me.
 http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#5S
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:05:27 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> Today I judged our local 4H fair kids with their small engine 
> projects and had 
> a 10yr old youngster bring a nicely restored briggs engine to 
> display.  
> Needless to say he received a blue ribbon and I recommended he take 
> his engine 
> to our Illinois state fair.  He was asking me for help in dating the 
> engine so 
> really could use your help.
> 
> Briggs Eng:  Model: 5s   Type:  700302 Ser: 1135296
> 
> thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jul 19 15:42:58 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:42:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Scam email engine related
References: <443421.41860.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<008201c7ca53$2f31fd10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <003101c7ca56$27e648b0$0601a8c0@altech>

OK guys, attention all of you.

I received this in my email and now others have too, looks like one of those poor English spelling scams,
Stay away like the plague.
Message is below.

Regards
Peter Lowe, Oz

  
Hello

I am lana jones, a Canadian citizen...i work as a senior manager in shine express shipping company here in united kingdom.. i saw your mail you are in need of the above subject stated,i just want to used this little words of mine to let you know that i have it for sale,and still in a good condition, if you need some pics of the item i can send them to you once i heard from you so we can bargain price, please i only need a serious buyer and i do accept check payment ,international money order and western union money transfer where i will have my money in my possession before i will ship the item to you so get back to me with your address were you want to ship it to........i do used shinexpressshipairfreight for shipping abroad so i can go to thier office once i got the address where you will be shipping to so i can give you my least price this is my number you feel free to contact me +447024039098 i will be expecting your call all write me back so we can discuss thanks 


     




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jul 19 15:49:12 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:49:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Scam from my web site
Message-ID: <005901c7ca57$072f14c0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

Looks like this scam I just mentioned, has come from my web site where I 
have various R&V register members placing adverts for parts needed.
Bastards never stop do they !!!!

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul 19 16:08:26 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:08:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Fuller and johnson
References: <008c01c7ca3c$b3fe8980$f087e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <000b01c7ca59$b8239bf0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Fuller and johnson


> Hi All,
>        Just starting to restore a Fuller and Johnson NB 2 hp dated at 1925 as dated by Verne Kindschi. According to the records 
> this engine was supplied to Construction Machine Co Waterloo Iowa possibly in a concrete mixer.
>    I was wondering if anyone has a picture of a engine in a concrete mixer.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
>    Craig in Scotland

Hi Craig. The F & J NB2 I found over here had the brass label
cut in half so you couldn't see the name. I think it came off a mixer.
When Vern supplied me with a plate it was the same at the bottom
as the cut plate.
Mine came in a terrible state. see
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1026047768028520097jfxOHVlcxH
then the next picture.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Thu Jul 19 17:59:23 2007
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:59:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
In-Reply-To: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>
References: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20070720005040.204F0320015@relay1.nomadix.net>

Curt
Looks like a great father son project.  That John Deere AR or BR in 
the background would make another good project.

When I was in High school a buddy of mine had a pickup like what you 
showed.  He found a conversion kit for a  small block chevy and put 
one in his pickup.

Keith



At 01:17 PM 7/18/2007, you wrote:
>Guys and gals,
>This is kinda engine related.....at least it has an engine. :-)
>Son Devin is a little over 14 now and in a couple of years will be
>driving. So we've been thinking about what kind of vehicle would be kewl
>for a kid to drive yet won't go too fast. Granddad had an old Willys
>Overland  Jeep wagon that I remember driving in the orange groves in
>Florida in years ago. So I've been sending Devin pictures of these
>wagons and somewhere in there he discovered the pickups. That was what
>he decided he wanted. I tried to explain to him that there wasn't much
>room in the cab of these pickups, and if he was carrying a saxophone and
>a book bag, there would be no room left for a passenger. But I didn't
>convince him......
>So I decided I needed to find both a pickup and a wagon for him to sit
>in. Got lucky and found both not too far away and last Saturday the
>family went to check them out. Devin sat in the truck for about 2
>minutes and concluded that it didn't fit him. (Can't move the seat
>back!) He immediately changed his sites to the wagon and fell head over
>heals for it. So yesterday we took the truck and trailer and picked the
>wagon up. Missy was busy on the camera and took these photos as we
>loaded and unloaded.
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Willys%20Overland/Thumbnails.html>
>
>So we've got a project that will take us a couple of years to complete.
>As you can imagine Devin is pretty excited and ready to get started.
>Hopefully with all the sweat equity he puts in it, he will take good
>care of it.
>Hope you enjoy. If anyone knows a source of parts for these please let
>me know.....especially sheet metal patch panels.
>Curt
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 19 18:22:34 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 01:22:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
Message-ID: <072020070122.15281.46A00E59000EA5E700003BB1219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hey Alan how does one determine the date?  Is off the serial number its self 
or what.
Thanks alot and Ron too.
Curt


----------------------  Original Message:  ---------------------
From:    Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To:      The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
Date:    Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:44:31 +0000

> Sorry, Ron, but make that March of 1953.
> 
> >From that site,  8>))
> 
>         1127641              is the last 5S built in February.
> 1138387 is the last 5S built in March.
> His 1135296 would have been built in March.
> 
> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: It looks like Feb of 1953 to me.
>  http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#5S
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:05:27 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> > Today I judged our local 4H fair kids with their small engine 
> > projects and had 
> > a 10yr old youngster bring a nicely restored briggs engine to 
> > display.  
> > Needless to say he received a blue ribbon and I recommended he take 
> > his engine 
> > to our Illinois state fair.  He was asking me for help in dating the 
> > engine so 
> > really could use your help.
> > 
> > Briggs Eng:  Model: 5s   Type:  700302 Ser: 1135296
> > 
> > thank you in advance.
> > Curt Andree
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 18:32:53 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:32:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
In-Reply-To: <072020070122.15281.46A00E59000EA5E700003BB1219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <807551.26361.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey back atcha, Curt,

Look at what I wrote,,,
Yes, I was using the serial number.
Then hit the link that Ron posted.m There is the dating list.
Scroll down to the section on the 5S and for each month they show the serial number of the last engine made that month.

IHTH
Alan Bowen

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: Hey Alan how does one determine the date?  Is off the serial number its self 
or what.
Thanks alot and Ron too.
Curt


----------------------  Original Message:  ---------------------
From:    Alan Bowen 
To:      The SEL email discussion list 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs eng dating needed
Date:    Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:44:31 +0000

> Sorry, Ron, but make that March of 1953.
> 
> >From that site,  8>))
> 
>         1127641              is the last 5S built in February.
> 1138387 is the last 5S built in March.
> His 1135296 would have been built in March.
> 
> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: It looks like Feb of 1953 to me.
>  http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html#5S
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:05:27 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> > Today I judged our local 4H fair kids with their small engine 
> > projects and had 
> > a 10yr old youngster bring a nicely restored briggs engine to 
> > display.  
> > Needless to say he received a blue ribbon and I recommended he take 
> > his engine 
> > to our Illinois state fair.  He was asking me for help in dating the 
> > engine so 
> > really could use your help.
> > 
> > Briggs Eng:  Model: 5s   Type:  700302 Ser: 1135296
> > 
> > thank you in advance.
> > Curt Andree

       
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 20 05:19:34 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:19:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Gas engine mag
Message-ID: <001301c7cac8$3bfa2e30$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

Does anyone have a copy of July 1994 Gas Engine Magazine, there is a book on eBay for sale that mentions R&V engines. If someone has a copy can they contact me off list and tell me what the article is about.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 20 06:14:57 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:14:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Gas engine mag
Message-ID: <004e01c7cacf$f86a8540$0601a8c0@altech>

Thanks to Ken & Reg for the scanned article.
I had the serial number with no owner, I now have an owner and an address, you guys are great.

Does anyone know Richard Miller of Reese, Michigan???

This all started buy trolling eBay for R&V articles.
I also just picked up another guy with 4 R&V engines from someone selling brass fittings, funny how things just turn up.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm





  Hi all

  Does anyone have a copy of July 1994 Gas Engine Magazine, there is a book on eBay for sale that mentions R&V engines. If someone has a copy can they contact me off list and tell me what the article is about.

  Regards
  Peter Lowe
  R&V Engine Registrar
  Australia
  Ph: 61-266453455
  http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
  http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jul 20 19:50:49 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:50:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant
Message-ID: <20070720.195049.1972.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
Has anyone heard from Charlie Bryant in Maine lately.  I sent him a line,
it didn't bounce but have not heard back for a few weeks.  Thanks
This is the address I was using:  mogul460 at localnet.com

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From bboyce at swat.coop  Fri Jul 20 21:47:21 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:47:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta engine related.....
In-Reply-To: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>
References: <469E594E.1040807@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <974EBD31F9B3449BB8552C7B17227293@billPC>

curt,,, i have an old jeep pickup, probably the same thing you're speaking 
of,, its somewhere around a 1952 or 53 model, not sure,,, but, i;ve gotten 
parts several times from Willys America,,, they have wagon parts also,,,, 
very nice people to deal with,,, and i;ve thought their prices were fair,,, 
" willysamerica.com" will get you there,,, and they have a nice catalogue 
too,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

>> So we've got a project that will take us a couple of years to complete.
> As you can imagine Devin is pretty excited and ready to get started.
> Hopefully with all the sweat equity he puts in it, he will take good
> care of it.
> Hope you enjoy. If anyone knows a source of parts for these please let
> me know.....especially sheet metal patch panels.
> Curt
>
>
> 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul 21 00:31:41 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:31:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Bromps
Message-ID: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hi all. I have just been clearing some of the dead indians in my puter.
I came across the Bromp files.
Do any of you know what became of him?
I, and others, never got any satisfaction or money returned.
I did finish the project by making my own bits, so I am no longer affected 
by his dishonesty but,
It would be nice to know he has suffered in some way.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jul 21 01:35:23 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:35:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New international member to R&V register
Message-ID: <000d01c7cb72$1600cd10$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

This week I had a chap from Japan register a 8hp R&V Triumph Line engine 
with me.
His English is limited to reasonable but using Google Translator I can 
convert the Japanese quite well.
Their web site is here:
http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyounoyu.html
There is a lot of video and hundreds of photos so I guess those on Broadband 
would enjoy it better. Good site for a rainy day.
This chap has a nice Reid, Bessemer, National, Superior and R&V as well as 
Jeeps and other stuff. You will also notice looks of little red fuel tins 
next to their engines, some open with lids off and sucking fuel from the 
open top tank.!!

It just goes to show how the Internet can bring different nationalities 
together like we were just next door.

I also have a chap in Argentina I communicate with, he speaks Spanish, I use 
Google Translator to convert Spanish to English, I then reply in English and 
convert to Spanish and it works great.
http://translate.google.com/translate_t

Anyhow enjoy the photos and trying to navigate the Japanese, a lot of smokey 
engines, Evil Dave would love them only they are 4 strokes !!!.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 21 07:10:15 2007
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:10:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Japan
In-Reply-To: <000d01c7cb72$1600cd10$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <488839.98402.qm@web59203.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

TO:  SEL Lads ( & Lasses)
FROM;  YOUR man in Japan, Bill Young
   
  The Japanese chap you mention is a good friend of mine.  He has visited me several times.
  His English is about equal to my Japanese, both approaching zero.  I told him to forget the translator, send to me in Japanese and I will get some one to help.
    Safety measures in Japan also approach zero.  At rallies, ( no roped off area) kids go tearing around running engines.  Smoking and gassing up go together as does apple pie and ice cream.  The old geezers come along and start tweaking the carb and governor.  The toothless guy will tell you that he lost his teeth many years ago when the crank handle slipped off and kissed him in the kisser.  The guy with half of one arm missing has a different tale to tell, but only slightly. 
    Don't worry about those kids.  If there is an accident and blood gets on your engine, the parents will soon be around to apologize.
    Peter, gotta differ with you a bit.  If you saw any engines with a charcoal fire on top, they would be two stroke-cycle engines.  They were junk engines in their day, thrown away at first opportunity to get something better, therefore few survived.  Just a few years ago they could be had for about the equivalent of U.S.$2000.  Now, owners are refusing $6,000.  Bill
   
  OT replies:  wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp




From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Jul 21 08:04:56 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:04:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Good News from Border_Bob
In-Reply-To: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070721105959.02f65c20@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All,
  This will probably be the final update to the list on Border_Bob . "Bob & 
Sheila Bolhuis" <bolhuis at amtelecom.net>

Bob has been back to work now for a few weeks since his accident last 
August just before Portland Show.  Bob still is working to get his drivers 
license back but that should be done by the end of August. And on top of 
the good news of back to work, Bob has vacation left from last year that 
they are carrying over for him since he was not "able" to use it for no 
fault of his own.  So Bob will make his first engine show venture out to 
Findlay August 2-5th in a week and a  half.
I suppose this is fitting or ironic? that Findlay is his first show back as 
Findlay was the last show he attended before his accident last year.  It 
all seems to be coming full circle for him n Sheila and starting to get all 
righted again.
  Its rough to nearly loose a friend but it fantastic to get em back!.

                                             Thank You,    Maytag Mark



Mark & Christine Shulaw
Bluffton, Ohio
Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
Home #419.358.5206





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Jul 21 09:23:58 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:23:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Good News from Border_Bob
References: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070721105959.02f65c20@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c7cbb3$8a9e8ea0$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Tremendous good news!!!!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: [SEL] Good News from Border_Bob


> Hi All,
>  This will probably be the final update to the list on Border_Bob . "Bob &
> Sheila Bolhuis" <bolhuis at amtelecom.net>
>
> Bob has been back to work now for a few weeks since his accident last
> August just before Portland Show.  Bob still is working to get his drivers
> license back but that should be done by the end of August. And on top of
> the good news of back to work, Bob has vacation left from last year that
> they are carrying over for him since he was not "able" to use it for no
> fault of his own.  So Bob will make his first engine show venture out to
> Findlay August 2-5th in a week and a  half.
> I suppose this is fitting or ironic? that Findlay is his first show back 
> as
> Findlay was the last show he attended before his accident last year.  It
> all seems to be coming full circle for him n Sheila and starting to get 
> all
> righted again.
>  Its rough to nearly loose a friend but it fantastic to get em back!.
>
>                                             Thank You,    Maytag Mark
>
>
>
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> Bluffton, Ohio
> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
> Home #419.358.5206
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Jul 21 11:09:30 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:09:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bromps
In-Reply-To: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20070721180933.E8B79239462@mx-in02.iad.mail-abuse.org>

Hi Reg, What name did your "Buddy" Bromp operate under? Thanks in advance,
Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca.

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:32 AM
To: List SEL; oldengine list
Subject: [SEL] Bromps

Hi all. I have just been clearing some of the dead indians in my puter.
I came across the Bromp files.
Do any of you know what became of him?
I, and others, never got any satisfaction or money returned.
I did finish the project by making my own bits, so I am no longer affected 
by his dishonesty but,
It would be nice to know he has suffered in some way.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


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From rbodell at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 11:38:25 2007
From: rbodell at gmail.com (R. Bodell)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:38:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New member
Message-ID: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>

have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search past posts.
If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information, how do you
find information or do you just have to start the conversation over that may
have laready taken place dozens of times?

-- 

-----------------------------
With a little skill and ingenuity, I can screw up almost anything!
---------------------------------



From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jul 21 11:56:56 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:56:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New member
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002701c7cbc8$e9dbeab0$bbd84c0c@D48VHZ61>

As far as I know the archives have been down for a while. I just try to save 
anything of  possible importance and hope I don't forget I have it!

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R. Bodell" <rbodell at gmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:38 PM
Subject: [SEL] New member


> have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search past 
> posts.
> If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information, how do 
> you
> find information or do you just have to start the conversation over that 
> may
> have laready taken place dozens of times?
>
> -- 
>
> -----------------------------
> With a little skill and ingenuity, I can screw up almost anything!
> ---------------------------------
>
> 



From rbodell at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 12:46:19 2007
From: rbodell at gmail.com (R. Bodell)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:46:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New member
In-Reply-To: <002701c7cbc8$e9dbeab0$bbd84c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701c7cbc8$e9dbeab0$bbd84c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <58970c710707211246s27de6bcbk6572df3a9ac8fd8c@mail.gmail.com>

I was afraid of that, at least I won't be wasting my time.

On 7/21/07, John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> As far as I know the archives have been down for a while. I just try to
> save
> anything of  possible importance and hope I don't forget I have it!
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R. Bodell" <rbodell at gmail.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:38 PM
> Subject: [SEL] New member
>
>
> > have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search past
> > posts.
> > If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information, how do
> > you
> > find information or do you just have to start the conversation over that
> > may
> > have laready taken place dozens of times?
> >
> > --
> >
> > -----------------------------
> > With a little skill and ingenuity, I can screw up almost anything!
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



-- 

-----------------------------
With a little skill and ingenuity, I can screw up almost anything!
---------------------------------



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 13:30:51 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:30:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] New member
In-Reply-To: <58970c710707211246s27de6bcbk6572df3a9ac8fd8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701c7cbc8$e9dbeab0$bbd84c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<58970c710707211246s27de6bcbk6572df3a9ac8fd8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707211330m57516846s888e15431a1b1a2@mail.gmail.com>

On 21/07/07, R. Bodell <rbodell at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was afraid of that, at least I won't be wasting my time.

Because the lists are email-based, the digests were the only archived
format, and they were also sent out in email form once a week.

As far as I am aware, there is no public archive for the engine lists,
only what individuals keep on their PC's.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 13:32:48 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:32:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Factory Pictures
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160707181408y47107b7exc8514525681000de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160707181408y47107b7exc8514525681000de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707211332t2d9f462fub8b24d65ae3d3f2f@mail.gmail.com>

On 18/07/07, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

> We will also split the menu into four pages as we are going to put
> thumbnail menus for all the Nordberg items.

That has been done now, all the Nordberg selections are thumbnail-based.

Just found another load of Nordberg information tucked away under my
desk which I will get scanned over the coming week.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul 21 17:06:34 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:06:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New member
In-Reply-To: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53ae5363c1f1451f8ddb7041bfcc17d1@chartertn.net>

Here you go:

http://www.stationary-engine.com/pipermail/sel/

The SEL Archives.

John

On Jul 21, 2007, at 2:38 PM, R. Bodell wrote:

> have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search past 
> posts.
> If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information, how 
> do you
> find information or do you just have to start the conversation over 
> that may
> have laready taken place dozens of times?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 21 19:37:48 2007
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:37:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
Message-ID: <002e01c7cc09$4b5aead0$6501a8c0@LapTop>

Hello list,

Anyone have a photo of a John  Deere "W" power unit? Approximate weight? 
Value?

Thanks,
Arthur



Arthur Southwell

Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.

asouth42 at embarqmail.com

http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
http://oldengine.org/members/southwell



From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Jul 21 20:01:48 2007
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:01:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
In-Reply-To: <002e01c7cc09$4b5aead0$6501a8c0@LapTop>
References: <002e01c7cc09$4b5aead0$6501a8c0@LapTop>
Message-ID: <001301c7cc0c$a5ecc560$640aa8c0@apluscomputer.local>

 http://www.tractorshed.com/contents/tpic12422.htm

Here's a picture I found and the page says they are 2200 pounds each.

Here's another link with a better picture

http://www.two-cylinder.com/sept04_pg2.htm

Hope that helps!

B?

Bill Brueck
   Chatfield, Minnesota, USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ArthurDeana
Southwell
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 9:38 PM
To: ATIS-SEL
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U

Hello list,

Anyone have a photo of a John  Deere "W" power unit? Approximate weight? 
Value?

Thanks,
Arthur



Arthur Southwell

Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.

asouth42 at embarqmail.com

http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
http://oldengine.org/members/southwell

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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul 21 20:03:00 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:03:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
Message-ID: <20070721.200301.1216.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Arthur.  
111 or 114?
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:37:48 -0400 "ArthurDeana Southwell"
<asouth42 at embarqmail.com> writes:
> Hello list,
> 
> Anyone have a photo of a John  Deere "W" power unit? Approximate 
> weight? 
> Value?
> 
> Thanks,
> Arthur
> 
> 
> 
> Arthur Southwell
> 
> Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.
> 
> asouth42 at embarqmail.com
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
> 
>


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul 21 20:13:04 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:13:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
Message-ID: <20070721.201305.1216.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Me again Arthur.  
The March-April issue of Two Cylinder features the W power units.  They
are 111 and 113, then the variations of cotton Gin engines and Pure Oil
models.  They list the 111 as weighing 2,115 lbs and the 113 at 1,973
with a 16" overdrive pulley.  Prices vary  as to year (early ones had the
spoke flywheel) and condition.  Something complete and running probably
$4,000 to 8,000.  
They were built from 1933 to 1952. 
I lost the drivers for my scanner so I can't send a picture.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:37:48 -0400 "ArthurDeana Southwell"
<asouth42 at embarqmail.com> writes:
> Hello list,
> 
> Anyone have a photo of a John  Deere "W" power unit? Approximate 
> weight? 
> Value?
> 
> Thanks,
> Arthur
> 
> 
> 
> Arthur Southwell
> 
> Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.
> 
> asouth42 at embarqmail.com
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
> 
> 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jul 21 21:43:23 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:43:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New member
In-Reply-To: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1185079403.46a2e06b481d8@webmail.city-net.com>

The link is on the list signup page.
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
http://www.stationary-engine.com/pipermail/sel/

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting "R. Bodell" <rbodell at gmail.com>:

> have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search past posts.
> If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information, how do you
> find information or do you just have to start the conversation over that may
> have laready taken place dozens of times?




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jul 21 21:45:16 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:45:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bromps
In-Reply-To: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <1185079516.46a2e0dc0c693@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Reg,

I heard that he sprained his thumb counting your money.  8->>>

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>:

> Hi all. I have just been clearing some of the dead indians in my puter.
> I came across the Bromp files.
> Do any of you know what became of him?
> I, and others, never got any satisfaction or money returned.
> I did finish the project by making my own bits, so I am no longer affected 
> by his dishonesty but,
> It would be nice to know he has suffered in some way.




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Jul 21 21:52:24 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:52:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bromps
In-Reply-To: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20070722045227.94AE64C3064@mx-in03.iad.mail-abuse.org>

Thanks Reg. I heard his name mentioned Last week. It will take a week or so
but I'll check back with the guy after his vacation and give you an update.
CYA Jimmy O'Hagan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:32 AM
To: List SEL; oldengine list
Subject: [SEL] Bromps

Hi all. I have just been clearing some of the dead indians in my puter.
I came across the Bromp files.
Do any of you know what became of him?
I, and others, never got any satisfaction or money returned.
I did finish the project by making my own bits, so I am no longer affected 
by his dishonesty but,
It would be nice to know he has suffered in some way.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


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From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Sat Jul 21 22:06:17 2007
From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 01:06:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bromps
In-Reply-To: <1185079516.46a2e0dc0c693@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<03e201c7cb6d$7a5345e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070722005911.02d5af88@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>

At 12:45 AM 7/22/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>G'day Reg,
>
>I heard that he sprained his thumb counting your money.  8->>>
>
>See ya,  Arnie


Come-on Arnie, let Reg know the "rest of the story".  The part about Bromps 
lawyer and the HIGH dollar law suit against that bloke from OZ. Over the 
'pain and suffering' counting all that money caused.  ;-)

- Steve

Steve Sewell
Albany, Ohio USA
sewell at atis.net
sewell at ohio.edu


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jul 21 22:19:12 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:19:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New member
In-Reply-To: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F65BEBBA-3C96-454A-A308-12EBC2B5BB51@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 21, 2007, at 11:38 AM, R. Bodell wrote:

> have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search  
> past posts.
> If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information,  
> how do you
> find information or do you just have to start the conversation over  
> that may
> have laready taken place dozens of times?

We could always shoot for a dozen and one.
What's the question?

Rob







From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jul 22 05:32:20 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:32:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New member
References: <58970c710707211138o5ec8c152mdc427aa072a92634@mail.gmail.com>
	<53ae5363c1f1451f8ddb7041bfcc17d1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c7cc5c$5a12d670$9ed64c0c@D48VHZ61>

OK, someone please explain. When you try to get to the archives from the 
main ATIS page, they all come up blank. Where are these from and do any 
exist for the tractor lists (not just AT)?

Thanks,
John Hall



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New member


> Here you go:
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/pipermail/sel/
>
> The SEL Archives.
>
> John
>
> On Jul 21, 2007, at 2:38 PM, R. Bodell wrote:
>
>> have I missed a link someplace? I have not seem a way to search past
>> posts.
>> If there is not a search mechanesim to retrieve past information, how
>> do you
>> find information or do you just have to start the conversation over
>> that may
>> have laready taken place dozens of times?
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Sat Jul 21 22:41:02 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent tamatea)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:41:02 +1200
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
In-Reply-To: <20070721.201305.1216.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOEECBCAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>

Ron to down load drivers for scanner just go to google type in your scanner
model and driver download and pick out a site to download new driver my
computer crashed after having it reformatted and i did just that for drivers
for the usb as wouldnt go same with any type of drivers hope that helps
saved me alot of mucking around brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:13 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U


Me again Arthur.
The March-April issue of Two Cylinder features the W power units.  They
are 111 and 113, then the variations of cotton Gin engines and Pure Oil
models.  They list the 111 as weighing 2,115 lbs and the 113 at 1,973
with a 16" overdrive pulley.  Prices vary  as to year (early ones had the
spoke flywheel) and condition.  Something complete and running probably
$4,000 to 8,000.
They were built from 1933 to 1952.
I lost the drivers for my scanner so I can't send a picture.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:37:48 -0400 "ArthurDeana Southwell"
<asouth42 at embarqmail.com> writes:
> Hello list,
>
> Anyone have a photo of a John  Deere "W" power unit? Approximate
> weight?
> Value?
>
> Thanks,
> Arthur
>
>
>
> Arthur Southwell
>
> Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.
>
> asouth42 at embarqmail.com
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
>
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul 22 09:45:40 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:45:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
Message-ID: <20070722.094540.2136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Brent.  I will give it a try.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:41:02 +1200 brent tamatea
<brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz> writes:
> Ron to down load drivers for scanner just go to google type in your 
> scanner
> model and driver download and pick out a site to download new driver 
> my
> computer crashed after having it reformatted and i did just that for 
> drivers
> for the usb as wouldnt go same with any type of drivers hope that 
> helps
> saved me alot of mucking around brent nz


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 12:13:02 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:13:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
In-Reply-To: <20070722.094540.2136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070722.094540.2136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707221213g1a183ebavd0ce69bab634ffc2@mail.gmail.com>

On 22/07/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Thanks Brent.  I will give it a try.
>
> Ron Haskell

Manufacturers are much better these days with supplying drivers for
their older machines.

The one bad company seems to be Soundblaster, who do not supply
drivers for their cards supplied as OEM through dealers for some
reason.

Epson, USRobotics, Sony, and many others all have a good
download/support section on their websites now, including manuals.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Jul 22 14:03:17 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:03:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160707221213g1a183ebavd0ce69bab634ffc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEECFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron & Peter:

If all else fails, you can try 

http://www.driverguide.com/

They have all kinds of drivers.  The site is free once you get past all the special offers, etc.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 02:13 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
> 
> 
> On 22/07/07, rdhaskell at juno.com 
> <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Brent.  I will give it a try.
> >
> > Ron Haskell
> 
> Manufacturers are much better these days with 
> supplying drivers for
> their older machines.
> 
> The one bad company seems to be Soundblaster, who 
> do not supply
> drivers for their cards supplied as OEM through 
> dealers for some
> reason.
> 
> Epson, USRobotics, Sony, and many others all have a good
> download/support section on their websites now, 
> including manuals.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> _______________________________________________
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 13:58:55 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:58:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEECFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <6f6025160707221213g1a183ebavd0ce69bab634ffc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEECFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707221358v389aac52j2a3f44251fcf0c45@mail.gmail.com>

On 22/07/07, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Ron & Peter:
>
> If all else fails, you can try
>
> http://www.driverguide.com/
>
> They have all kinds of drivers.  The site is free once you get past all the special offers, etc.
>
> Take care - Elden

A lot of those sites require registration, which is fair enough if
they are providing a free service, but I always seem to pick up a
'stray' bit of software when I visit those, so try and stay with the
makers where possible...

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul 22 22:03:41 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:03:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
Message-ID: <20070722.220342.1648.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Elden.  This site was a real pain, but I found it.  Thanks.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:03:17 -0500 "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
writes:
> Ron & Peter:
> 
> If all else fails, you can try 
> 
> http://www.driverguide.com/
> 
> They have all kinds of drivers.  The site is free once you get past 
> all the special offers, etc.
> 
> Take care - Elden 
> 


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 23 08:52:05 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:52:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Deere "W" P/U
In-Reply-To: <002e01c7cc09$4b5aead0$6501a8c0@LapTop>
Message-ID: <BAY129-F26D8EBCD55CBDC5AF91355C8F70@phx.gbl>

Hi Arthur,

All I can help with are photos. Go here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/oakley06/oakley025.html

Then click next until photo #030.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

======================

>From: "ArthurDeana Southwell" <asouth42 at embarqmail.com>
>
>Hello list,
>
>Anyone have a photo of a John  Deere "W" power unit?
>
>Thanks,
>Arthur
>

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From oldengineman at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 23 11:44:17 2007
From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:44:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant
Message-ID: <BAY127-F31749A71B994B00FD5B6E8C4F70@phx.gbl>

Ron,
I saw Charlie at Coolspring in June and he seemed to be doing fine.  I 
believe the email address you have is correct.

Pete Stauffer


>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant
>Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:50:49 -0700
>
>Hi all.
>Has anyone heard from Charlie Bryant in Maine lately.  I sent him a line,
>it didn't bounce but have not heard back for a few weeks.  Thanks
>This is the address I was using:  mogul460 at localnet.com
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jul 23 12:58:01 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:58:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant
Message-ID: <20070723.125802.1948.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Thanks for your reply Pete.  Charlie finally got back to me, he was busy
and out of town.  We have everything lined up now. 

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:44:17 -0400 "Peter Stauffer"
<oldengineman at hotmail.com> writes:
> Ron,
> I saw Charlie at Coolspring in June and he seemed to be doing fine.  
> I 
> believe the email address you have is correct.
> 
> Pete Stauffer


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 23 14:02:22 2007
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:02:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 8 Cylinder Vertical double acting BIG HONKIN 2 stroke diesel
References: <1184423122.4698dcd2befae@webmail.city-net.com>
	<015101c7c66b$d22ec7f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<004401c7c672$aa2e7050$6701a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<20070715003424.06B995968F@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <006401c7cd6c$c44e3410$6701a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

If you have dial up ......wait !
This thing is a real sex machine... with a couple of  leaky crossheads .

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5012457650671388868&q=B%26W+engine&total=19&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5


Chuck
http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jul 23 19:22:01 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:22:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 8 Cylinder Vertical double acting BIG HONKIN 2 stroke
	diesel
In-Reply-To: <006401c7cd6c$c44e3410$6701a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEFPFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

They got this one of the big M.A.N. Diesel titled wrong but it has a lot better sounds of the engine running.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=177020678934581573

Here's a ship engine
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2325378746315107000

How about THIS stack music
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5348757765626651575

Some more little engines
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=578640443232213782

Listeroids and gen heads being manufactured.  Sound is a little confusing.  Two sound tracks!  Check out the guy sledgehammering the crankshafts into place.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3893489674092444780

For the finale, here is a documentary done a while back.  I sure would like to have a print of the original film with better sound and picture quality!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=418121314557067951

I followed the link in the above film.  LOTS of titles!  Great way to waste a lot of time.
http://www.avgeeks.com

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Chuck
> Balyeat
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 04:02 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] 8 Cylinder Vertical double acting 
> BIG HONKIN 2 stroke
> diesel
> 
> 
> If you have dial up ......wait !
> This thing is a real sex machine... with a couple 
> of  leaky crossheads 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul 24 09:56:45 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:56:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Antique engines inspire nano chip
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707241255010.77331@vegeta.city-net.com>

Now this is REALLY cool!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6912023.stm

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jul 24 17:03:06 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:03:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sundial A 2hp
Message-ID: <040f01c7ce4f$30d915e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Has any member got a book on the 2hp A overhead valve Sundial please?
Also, could an owner of one of these take close up pics of the carb setup?
This is to try and help a new owner.
Reg.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Tue Jul 24 23:14:35 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent tamatea)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:14:35 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Antique engines inspire nano chip
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707241255010.77331@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOAEEICAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>

Arnie good article just proves there was nothing wrong with the old ideas
they just didnt have the materials to work with that are available now if
Leonardo had had a moter he could of powered up his helicopter that he
designed back then.. brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:57 AM
To: Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Antique engines inspire nano chip


Now this is REALLY cool!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6912023.stm

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jul 25 00:18:52 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:18:52 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Sundial A 2hp
References: <040f01c7ce4f$30d915e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <000f01c7ce8c$148b1130$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

If one of your local mates can't help Reg ....I have a couple of B's but can 
certainly get images for your friend ,maybe even the book [copy]....lets 
know how you go.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "List SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "oldengine list" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sundial A 2hp


> Has any member got a book on the 2hp A overhead valve Sundial please?
> Also, could an owner of one of these take close up pics of the carb setup?
> This is to try and help a new owner.
> Reg.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
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From sumron at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jul 25 02:05:12 2007
From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:05:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Looking  for Dwight Vivas
Message-ID: <02d301c7ce9a$e9dc1ab0$0c366c3a@userecaf7b7be7>

Hi All on the List, can anyone advise if Dwight Vivas is still on the list and on email. I have sent 3 emails to him in the past 3 weeks re his Austral Engine and not a reply to date. He is not on holidays( vacation)  at all is he ??     

John Gilbert  Merbein, Vic, Australia ( OZ )
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x279/john_the_tankman/
ph 03-50253372


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 25 03:54:55 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:54:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Looking  for Dwight Vivas
References: <02d301c7ce9a$e9dc1ab0$0c366c3a@userecaf7b7be7>
Message-ID: <001501c7ceaa$3cfbde10$0601a8c0@altech>

Here is Dwight's addess vivas1993 at aol.com

Peter, Oz






> Hi All on the List, can anyone advise if Dwight Vivas is still on the list 
> and on email. I have sent 3 emails to him in the past 3 weeks re his 
> Austral Engine and not a reply to date. He is not on holidays( vacation) 
> at all is he ??
>
> John Gilbert  Merbein, Vic, Australia ( OZ )
> http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x279/john_the_tankman/
> ph 03-50253372
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 06:41:46 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:41:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine Still in Use.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707241255010.77331@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <88729.39427.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Howdy Folks,

I have been following the progress of a group of three young men in Sweden as they build a Wood-Gas powered car and are right now driving it around Sweden.
They had places set up to restock there wood block fuel supply.
While they are on the road everything is written in Swedish, but I found a couple interesting pictures.
It seems they found another guy that is running his car on Wood-Gas and he has an old tank cooled engine belted up to a wood chopper.

Anyone know what this engine is?
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-6.JPG

Here is the wood chopper. (Looks like fun.)
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is how I know it is a wood chopper.
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is their red Volvo and the car belonging to their wood providing host.
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-4.JPG

Here is their home page.
http://www.vedbil.se/indexe.shtml

I hope someone besides me finds this interesting.
It IS gas engine related.
The actual gasifier in their car was built during WWII.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan




       
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jul 25 19:33:39 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:33:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Diesel Engine
References: <002101c7cf2b$513b69a0$0200a8c0@d4400>
Message-ID: <AE1C7FC0-E57F-4EBA-AABD-4710D134E9A5@alltel.net>

>  http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/
>
>




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 19:58:14 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:58:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Old Tank Cooled Engine Still Used
Message-ID: <60547.91145.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Howdy Folks,

I have been following the progress of a group of three young men in Sweden as they build a Wood-Gas powered car and are right now driving it around Sweden.
They had places set up to restock there wood block fuel supply.
While they are on the road everything is written in Swedish, but I found a couple interesting pictures.
It seems they found another guy that is running his car on Wood-Gas and he has an old tank cooled engine belted up to a wood chopper.

Anyone know what this engine is?

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-6.JPG

Here is the wood chopper. (Looks like fun.)

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is how I know it is a wood chopper.

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is their red Volvo and the car belonging to their wood providing host.

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-4.JPG

Here is their home page.

http://www.vedbil.se/indexe.shtml

I  hope someone besides me finds this interesting.
It IS gas engine related.
The actual gasifier in their car was built during WWII.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan
       
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Thu Jul 26 05:31:50 2007
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:31:50 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
Message-ID: <20070726.083150.2440.0@webmail04.lax.untd.com>

Hi Guys, I am getting a recording on Dale Portell's phone #
314-344-8881.
Does anyone have any info. I need some KP.
Thanks, 
Joe Kelley


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 05:44:26 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:44:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <20070726.083150.2440.0@webmail04.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Joe,
What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee Pedersen  sells?

http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html

I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan


"avanti_64 at juno.com" <avanti_64 at juno.com> wrote: Hi Guys, I am getting a recording on Dale Portell's phone #
314-344-8881.
Does anyone have any info. I need some KP.
Thanks, 
Joe Kelley



       
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 05:49:29 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:49:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Old Tank Cooled Engine Still Used
In-Reply-To: <60547.91145.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <688760.82469.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Crap !!

I messed up one link.
HERE is how I know it is a wood chopper.

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-7.JPG

Alan

Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote: Howdy Folks,

I have been following the progress of a group of three young men in Sweden as they build a Wood-Gas powered car and are right now driving it around Sweden.
They had places set up to restock there wood block fuel supply.
While they are on the road everything is written in Swedish, but I found a couple interesting pictures.
It seems they found another guy that is running his car on Wood-Gas and he has an old tank cooled engine belted up to a wood chopper.

Anyone know what this engine is?

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-6.JPG

Here is the wood chopper. (Looks like fun.)

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is how I know it is a wood chopper.

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is their red Volvo and the car belonging to their wood providing host.

http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-4.JPG

Here is their home page.

http://www.vedbil.se/indexe.shtml

I  hope someone besides me finds this interesting.
It IS gas engine related.
The actual gasifier in their car was built during WWII.

Alan Bowen
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From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jul 26 05:59:51 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:59:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46A89AC7.5020009@imc-group.com>

Alan,
Trust us die hard KP users. Once you've used this product you'll never 
want to use any other tank sealer. Absolutely phenomenal stuff. If 
you've ever had to fish all the pieces of the non-hardening stuff out of 
a tank, you'd never use it!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Alan Bowen wrote:
> Hi Joe,
> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee Pedersen  sells?
>
> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>
> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>
> Alan Bowen
> Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
> "avanti_64 at juno.com" <avanti_64 at juno.com> wrote: Hi Guys, I am getting a recording on Dale Portell's phone #
> 314-344-8881.
> Does anyone have any info. I need some KP.
> Thanks, 
> Joe Kelley
>
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jul 26 06:34:22 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:34:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1B429AB3-AE5A-444C-812B-63FBF1A0FEE9@alltel.net>

Hi Allen,
	QP cures (ready for use) in about 20 minutes, It will seal off all  
the loose rust in the tank, it will also "bridge holes up to about  
1/8". The stuff that Lee sells is good, but I think that if you use  
QP once you will be sold on if for all future use. The ONLY trouble  
I've ever had with QP was once when I used it on a new galvanized  
tank w/out first using mild acid on the tank. The QP did not "stick"  
and became a real mess inside the tank. However, I don't think any  
other sealer would have worked w/out the acid first, so that's not  
really much of a criticism of QP!
	Dave
On Jul 26, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Alan Bowen wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee  
> Pedersen  sells?
>
> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>
> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it  
> around then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>
> Alan Bowen


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jul 26 08:15:26 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:15:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Alan,

I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee Pedersen  sells?
>
> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>
> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around
> then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.



From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Jul 26 09:20:51 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:20:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070726115332.02f74eb0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Arnie , I agree with ya QP is good stuff. I like the fact that it does 
set in minutes. The only disadvantage I see to the stuff from Pederson "If 
the sealer from Starbolt is the same stuff (maybe I am assuming too much 
here) as Pedersons" (White thin liquid, kinda rubbery as it cures) is it 
takes some time to cure due to it is air cured and the inside of a tank is 
not well ventelated. So if you are in a hurry QP is the way to go. If you 
are conservative with materials and can wait for the other stuff to cure 
then the other is fine too. I've had a can of the stuff from Starbolt for 
several years and used it on many tanks and still have over a half a can 
left due to being able to salvage the excess.
   My latest project is reconditioning a Maytag Monitor Mower and the tank 
is sealed with the stuff from Starbolt. I had the time to let it cure while 
other things were going on. Hope to have it finished for Findlay.

                                                                 TTYL,  Mark

At 11:15 AM 7/26/07, you wrote:
>Hi Alan,
>I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
>two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
>of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
>tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
>crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
>adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
> > Hi Joe,
> > What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee 
> Pedersen  sells?
> > http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
> > I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around
> > then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
No Sunday calls if possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From shop at cccomm.net  Thu Jul 26 14:29:45 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:29:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1B429AB3-AE5A-444C-812B-63FBF1A0FEE9@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <004501c7cfcc$17c3e2a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Well, the engine is done and running altho it has one hell of a piston slap, 
so I'll probably knurl the piston skirt.
Meanwhile I am looking for good pictures of an original water tank so I can 
make on as close to original as possible, ie; rivet size and spacing, top & 
side seams whether folded or lapped, style of outlet fittings, ect.
Know of any?
Comments on the name tag? John Hall likes it.....

Pics

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32514163&vt=vp

Dave 




From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Jul 26 14:29:48 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:29:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <1B429AB3-AE5A-444C-812B-63FBF1A0FEE9@alltel.net>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1B429AB3-AE5A-444C-812B-63FBF1A0FEE9@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070727072545.01b14d38@ncable.com.au>

Hey dave who made your new tank? I recon that if you needed to put QP 
in it then you should have taken it back and swapped it for one that 
didn't leak!  Of interest; are you guys using this stuff to spare 
costs of getting a repo tank, can't get a repo tank ot just want to 
keep the original a little longer.

I sometimes see some real shitty tanks on rally feild (both feul and 
water tanks) which is disapointing when you see how much work they 
have put into a resto but then hand some crappy bling around it.
Russell


At 11:34 PM 26/07/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Allen,
>         QP cures (ready for use) in about 20 minutes, It will seal off all
>the loose rust in the tank, it will also "bridge holes up to about
>1/8". The stuff that Lee sells is good, but I think that if you use
>QP once you will be sold on if for all future use. The ONLY trouble
>I've ever had with QP was once when I used it on a new galvanized
>tank w/out first using mild acid on the tank. The QP did not "stick"
>and became a real mess inside the tank. However, I don't think any
>other sealer would have worked w/out the acid first, so that's not
>really much of a criticism of QP!
>         Dave
>On Jul 26, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
> > Hi Joe,
> > What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee
> > Pedersen  sells?
> >
> > http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
> >
> > I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it
> > around then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
> >
> > Alan Bowen
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From shop at cccomm.net  Thu Jul 26 14:39:22 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:39:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070726115332.02f74eb0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c7cfcd$6e7dec20$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Bought some extra special motorcycle type tank sealer called POR 15. Spendy 
stuff and I followed all the directions and used the wash, primer and then 
the sealer just as I was supposed to.  The last instruction was to drain the 
remainder of the sealer and discard it. No way was I going to waste the 
stuff as the kit was in the $40 range and just the sealer portion was less 
than a 1/4 pint, so I drained it back into the can and sealed it.  About 10 
minutes later there was a big bang as the lid blew off and the stuff 
continued to froth and harden.  The tank is a new one I made for under the 
fairbanks and it leaks also.

Sounds as if Kwik Poly is the one to use.

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer


> Hi Arnie , I agree with ya QP is good stuff. I like the fact that it does
> set in minutes. The only disadvantage I see to the stuff from Pederson "If
> the sealer from Starbolt is the same stuff (maybe I am assuming too much
> here) as Pedersons" (White thin liquid, kinda rubbery as it cures) is it
> takes some time to cure due to it is air cured and the inside of a tank is
> not well ventelated. So if you are in a hurry QP is the way to go. If you
> are conservative with materials and can wait for the other stuff to cure
> then the other is fine too. I've had a can of the stuff from Starbolt for
> several years and used it on many tanks and still have over a half a can
> left due to being able to salvage the excess.
>   My latest project is reconditioning a Maytag Monitor Mower and the tank
> is sealed with the stuff from Starbolt. I had the time to let it cure 
> while
> other things were going on. Hope to have it finished for Findlay.
>
>                                                                 TTYL, 
> Mark
>
> At 11:15 AM 7/26/07, you wrote:
>>Hi Alan,
>>I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
>>two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
>>of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
>>tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
>>crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
>>adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Joe,
>> > What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee
>> Pedersen  sells?
>> > http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>> > I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around
>> > then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>>
>
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
> Parts lists available on request.
>
> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
> No Sunday calls if possible.
> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I 
> represent
> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 15:31:44 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:31:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <004a01c7cfcd$6e7dec20$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <37301.48626.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey, Dave.

right from the POR-15 web site.  I went to something like Fuel System help, then to the tank sealer, then I clicked on the directions.

I grabbed this to paste here.

Here?s how to clean out a 25 gallon fuel tank:

1. Mix 1 quart of Marine-Clean with 1 quart of very hot water
and pour it into the tank GLOVES AND EYE PROTECTION
SHOULD BE WORN AT ALL TIMES.
Shake the tank, then place it in a different position every 2 hours
so the solution can cover all inside surfaces. When all surfaces
have been subjected to the cleaning solution, shake it again,
then dump out the tank, rinse it with water, dump out the water,
and start all over again. The first time you dump the solution, it?ll
be very dirty; after the second solution has been discarded, the
tank should be clean. Rinse the tank out with fresh hot water,
drain thoroughly, then pour in the full container of Metal-Ready.

2. With the Metal-Ready in the tank, again shake, then place the
tank in different positions every half hour until the entire inside of
the tank has been treated with Metal-Ready. Then rinse the tank
thoroughly with hot water several times and drain it. In order to
get the tank completely dry, you must blow warm air into it for a
long time. No tank will dry out on the inside by itself. The only
way to do this job is to use forced air. TANKS MUST BE COMPLETELY
DRY INSIDE BEFORE SEALING. THE SEALER
WILL NOT STICK TO A DAMP OR WET TANK.

3. Pour in the entire can of fuel tank sealer and ?roll? the tank
around so that all surfaces come in contact with the sealer.
Then drain for at least 30 minutes to ensure that sealer has not
?puddled? in tank. After you?ve done this, dump out the left-over
sealer back into the can, but DON?T PUT THE LID BACK ON
THE CAN TIGHTLY OR IT MAY EXPLODE! Leave the can
open and it will harden overnight. Then throw it out the next day.
Allow 72 - 96 hours for sealer to dry. Air dry tank in a well-ventilated
area. Maximum cure will be reached in 96 hours. Setup
time can be improved by using a low pressure blower or hair
dryer (low or no heat) and circulating it through one hole in tank
and out another.


I don't know how well you followed the first stem, but you sure didn't follow the third one. 8>))))

Alan Bowen


Dave Ernst <shop at cccomm.net> wrote: Bought some extra special motorcycle type tank sealer called POR 15. Spendy 
stuff and I followed all the directions and used the wash, primer and then 
the sealer just as I was supposed to.  The last instruction was to drain the 
remainder of the sealer and discard it. No way was I going to waste the 
stuff as the kit was in the $40 range and just the sealer portion was less 
than a 1/4 pint, so I drained it back into the can and sealed it.  About 10 
minutes later there was a big bang as the lid blew off and the stuff 
continued to froth and harden.  The tank is a new one I made for under the 
fairbanks and it leaks also.

Sounds as if Kwik Poly is the one to use.

Dave

       
---------------------------------
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jul 26 16:23:16 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:23:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070727072545.01b14d38@ncable.com.au>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1B429AB3-AE5A-444C-812B-63FBF1A0FEE9@alltel.net>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070727072545.01b14d38@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <43451C6B-7CBB-4634-B568-B371E5516016@alltel.net>

Hi Russell,
	No leaks, just my "newness" to the hobby and thinking that since QP  
worked so well I'd put it in EVERYTHING!
		Dave


On Jul 26, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Hey dave who made your new tank? I recon that if you needed to put QP
> in it then you should have taken it back and swapped it for one that
> didn't leak!  Of interest; are you guys using this stuff to spare
> costs of getting a repo tank, can't get a repo tank ot just want to
> keep the original a little longer.
>
> I sometimes see some real shitty tanks on rally feild (both feul and
> water tanks) which is disapointing when you see how much work they
> have put into a resto but then hand some crappy bling around it.
> Russell
>
>
> At 11:34 PM 26/07/2007, you wrote:
>> Hi Allen,
>>         QP cures (ready for use) in about 20 minutes, It will seal  
>> off all
>> the loose rust in the tank, it will also "bridge holes up to about
>> 1/8". The stuff that Lee sells is good, but I think that if you use
>> QP once you will be sold on if for all future use. The ONLY trouble
>> I've ever had with QP was once when I used it on a new galvanized
>> tank w/out first using mild acid on the tank. The QP did not "stick"
>> and became a real mess inside the tank. However, I don't think any
>> other sealer would have worked w/out the acid first, so that's not
>> really much of a criticism of QP!
>>         Dave
>> On Jul 26, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee
>>> Pedersen  sells?
>>>
>>> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>>>
>>> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it
>>> around then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>>>
>>> Alan Bowen
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Wed Jul 25 23:19:37 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent tamatea)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:19:37 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine Still in Use.
In-Reply-To: <88729.39427.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOAEFDCAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>

Alan interesting site i had heard of these engines during the war looks as
though they have refined them quite a bit theconcept is great and looks like
good fun.Well worth a read..brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Alan Bowen
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:42 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine Still in Use.


Howdy Folks,

I have been following the progress of a group of three young men in Sweden
as they build a Wood-Gas powered car and are right now driving it around
Sweden.
They had places set up to restock there wood block fuel supply.
While they are on the road everything is written in Swedish, but I found a
couple interesting pictures.
It seems they found another guy that is running his car on Wood-Gas and he
has an old tank cooled engine belted up to a wood chopper.

Anyone know what this engine is?
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-6.JPG

Here is the wood chopper. (Looks like fun.)
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is how I know it is a wood chopper.
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-5.JPG

Here is their red Volvo and the car belonging to their wood providing host.
http://www.vedbil.se/dagbok/resa/pics/11-4.JPG

Here is their home page.
http://www.vedbil.se/indexe.shtml

I hope someone besides me finds this interesting.
It IS gas engine related.
The actual gasifier in their car was built during WWII.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan





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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Jul 27 06:51:45 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:51:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>


Arnie and any one else that knows. Can this be used to do like the 
bottom of a tank then after drying. Re pore and do the sides. I have 
a tank on a old tractor that is BAD bottom has 2 pound of lead on it 
and still leaks sides very rusty. I would like to seal bottom then 
coat sides it is about 20 gallon tank.  Don't know if one mix would do all,
Thanks
R Fink
PA



At 11:15 AM 7/26/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Alan,
>
>I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
>two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
>of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
>tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
>crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
>adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
> > Hi Joe,
> > What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee 
> Pedersen  sells?
> >
> > http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
> >
> > I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around
> > then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>
>_______________________________________________
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 27 04:15:36 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:15:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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The thing to remember is that QP will NOT stick to itself. One mix  
should be enough to do the whole tank. If the holes are large (ie up  
to 1/8") put masking tape over then first and then use the QP.
	Dave
PS, One "unit" will give you a quart!

On Jul 27, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:

>
> Arnie and any one else that knows. Can this be used to do like the
> bottom of a tank then after drying. Re pore and do the sides. I have
> a tank on a old tractor that is BAD bottom has 2 pound of lead on it
> and still leaks sides very rusty. I would like to seal bottom then
> coat sides it is about 20 gallon tank.  Don't know if one mix would  
> do all,
> Thanks
> R Fink
> PA
>
>
>
> At 11:15 AM 7/26/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly  
>> is a
>> two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the  
>> consistency
>> of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross  
>> holes in the
>> tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
>> crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
>> adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee
>> Pedersen  sells?
>>>
>>> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>>>
>>> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it  
>>> around
>>> then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 27 04:18:20 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:18:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] A tractor even the engine guys could love...
References: <000001c7cfeb$04612cd0$9600a8c0@DJ4Y3J71>
Message-ID: <F070F155-50C1-43FF-9D69-67EA994F565A@alltel.net>



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> Date: July 26, 2007 9:11:07 PM EDT
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> Subject: [AT] A tractor even the engine guys could love...
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> tractor.com>
>
>
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>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jul 27 04:47:41 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:47:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
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Richard,
Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he 
must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement. That said, 
why wouldn't you do the QP treatment all in one step? I had a weepy tank 
on my Ford 600 tractor tank. No rust anywhere to be found, but still 
weepy. I removed the tank, cleaned the outside real well in the parts 
washer, and re-welded a support bracket that had come loose. Then poured 
in a cup or 2 of lacquer thinner and sloshed this around, de-greasing 
the inside of the tank thoroughly. Then took an air hose and blew the 
inside until all the thinner was gone. I mixed less than a 1/2 cup of 
the QP and poured it in. It's like water and you slosh this around in a 
pattern to assure you wet the entire bottom half of the tank. You can go 
as high or low as you wish up the sides. You keep sloshing until the 
chemical reaction begins to occur and it gets more and more viscous. If 
you have a particularly weak or holy area, allow the left over material 
to settle in this area as it is chemically setting.
The larger the tank, the more product you mix initially. For your large 
tank you might need a full cup. To avoid the re-stick issue that Dave 
mentioned, one could mix another portion and pour it in just as the 
first batch was beginning to thicken, but not set yet. By getting the 
timing right where you are pouring new material in over setting 
material, I would think they would be molecularly bonded and not be 
separate layers.
FWIW, the QP in the Ford 600 tank is still working great going on 7 
years now.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Richard Fink Sr wrote:
> Arnie and any one else that knows. Can this be used to do like the 
> bottom of a tank then after drying. Re pore and do the sides. I have 
> a tank on a old tractor that is BAD bottom has 2 pound of lead on it 
> and still leaks sides very rusty. I would like to seal bottom then 
> coat sides it is about 20 gallon tank.  Don't know if one mix would do all,
> Thanks
> R Fink
> PA
>
>
>
> At 11:15 AM 7/26/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>   
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
>> two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
>> of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
>> tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
>> crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
>> adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi Joe,
>>> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee 
>>>       
>> Pedersen  sells?
>>     
>>> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
>>>
>>> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around
>>> then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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>>     
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 27 06:07:20 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:07:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <004501c7cfcc$17c3e2a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKBFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

Nice job!

How did you get such a neat job on the black background for the name tag.  It's not original (as far as I know) but looks GREAT!

Also, yours is the first Jack of All Trades I've ever seen that has two cylinder oilers.

'Ya think you have enough piston rings on that thing??????!!!!!!    :-)  You may want to get some original width rings.  I'd be concerned about cylinder wear.

Instead of knurling (it could damage the piston), consider having it spray welded and ground to size.   Mine had a LOT of piston slap, too, before I put the original jug and piston back on it.

I've got some photos of 2 HP Jacks with the cooling tanks in place, stencilled lettering and all.  I also have a dimensioned drawing of a tank for a 2 HP.  Let me know if you want 'em and I'll privately email them as attachments.

Take care - Elden 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave Ernst
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 04:30 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Well, the engine is done and running altho it has 
> one hell of a piston slap, 
> so I'll probably knurl the piston skirt.
> Meanwhile I am looking for good pictures of an 
> original water tank so I can 
> make on as close to original as possible, ie; 
> rivet size and spacing, top & 
> side seams whether folded or lapped, style of 
> outlet fittings, ect.
> Know of any?
> Comments on the name tag? John Hall likes it.....
> 
> Pics
> 
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=30095
> 45&a=32514163&vt=vp
> 
> Dave 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 27 05:12:33 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:12:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
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	<46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
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On Jul 27, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Curt wrote:

> Richard,
> Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he
> must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement.
> Curt Holland

Hi Curt, My reason for my statement that QP will not stick to itself  
is a rather simple one--it says so in the directions that come with  
the QP!
	Dave


From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jul 27 05:38:49 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:38:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <521AF939-7580-47C5-A26D-7FCDCD3C2EDB@alltel.net>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>	<46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
	<521AF939-7580-47C5-A26D-7FCDCD3C2EDB@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <46A9E759.6060907@imc-group.com>

Damn.....read the instructions? What a novel idea!  :-)
Curt

David Rotigel wrote:
> On Jul 27, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Curt wrote:
>
>   
>> Richard,
>> Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he
>> must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement.
>> Curt Holland
>>     
>
> Hi Curt, My reason for my statement that QP will not stick to itself  
> is a rather simple one--it says so in the directions that come with  
> the QP!
> 	Dave
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From shop at cccomm.net  Fri Jul 27 05:48:36 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:48:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKBFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c7d04c$72e4aef0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Elden,
Now that you've brought up the oiler question, and thanks to Jeff Allen for 
his input, I think the double oilers were original.  Reading the 
instructions posted by Jeff, I read these engines had an option called 
"centrifigal crank pin oiler". When that is ordered there is an additional 
(third)oiler on the left side of the block by the crank with a hole through 
the side cover plate that the tubing from the oiler passes thru to drip oil 
on the crank pin. Mine has the hole, right angle bracket, tubing and a 1/4" 
pipe fitting for an oiler. According to the instructions with this option 
the crankcase was dry and the oil was wasted.
Any thoughts?
As far as the tag, it's original.  A friend near me has an 1908 version, but 
his tag doesn't have the serial number on it.
I also have pictures of a Jack owned by a fellow in the SF bay area that has 
a handhole on each end of the crankcase. Wonder what that means?
As for your water tank pic's please post them to me.
Thanks,
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T


> Dave:
>
> Nice job!
>
> How did you get such a neat job on the black background for the name tag. 
> It's not original (as far as I know) but looks GREAT!
>
> Also, yours is the first Jack of All Trades I've ever seen that has two 
> cylinder oilers.
>
> 'Ya think you have enough piston rings on that thing??????!!!!!!    :-) 
> You may want to get some original width rings.  I'd be concerned about 
> cylinder wear.
>
> Instead of knurling (it could damage the piston), consider having it spray 
> welded and ground to size.   Mine had a LOT of piston slap, too, before I 
> put the original jug and piston back on it.
>
> I've got some photos of 2 HP Jacks with the cooling tanks in place, 
> stencilled lettering and all.  I also have a dimensioned drawing of a tank 
> for a 2 HP.  Let me know if you want 'em and I'll privately email them as 
> attachments.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Dave Ernst
>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 04:30 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
>>
>>
>> Well, the engine is done and running altho it has
>> one hell of a piston slap,
>> so I'll probably knurl the piston skirt.
>> Meanwhile I am looking for good pictures of an
>> original water tank so I can
>> make on as close to original as possible, ie;
>> rivet size and spacing, top &
>> side seams whether folded or lapped, style of
>> outlet fittings, ect.
>> Know of any?
>> Comments on the name tag? John Hall likes it.....
>>
>> Pics
>>
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=30095
>> 45&a=32514163&vt=vp
>>
>> Dave
>
>
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> 




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 27 08:10:34 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:10:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <006a01c7d04c$72e4aef0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKFFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

If you will privately send me your email address, I will privately email the information to you.  (I can't winkle your email address out of the SEL membership list).  If, for some reason, that doesn't work, or if enough folks want it, I will post it to the Jack of All Trades section of my web page.

On the last photo, the "extra oiler" looks like it only goes into the cylinder bore.  I wonder why anyone used the wasted oil system?  Maybe there was a big controversy over which system was best.

I've also wondered why they even put a cylinder oiler on these.  If the dipper on the rod is in place and the oil level is correct, I think there will be plenty of oil thrown up to the cylinder, especially when being run at full nameplate speed.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave Ernst
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 07:49 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Elden,
> Now that you've brought up the oiler question, 
> and thanks to Jeff Allen for 
> his input, I think the double oilers were 
> original.  Reading the 
> instructions posted by Jeff, I read these engines 
> had an option called 
> "centrifigal crank pin oiler". When that is 
> ordered there is an additional 
> (third)oiler on the left side of the block by the 
> crank with a hole through 
> the side cover plate that the tubing from the 
> oiler passes thru to drip oil 
> on the crank pin. Mine has the hole, right angle 
> bracket, tubing and a 1/4" 
> pipe fitting for an oiler. According to the 
> instructions with this option 
> the crankcase was dry and the oil was wasted.
> Any thoughts?
> As far as the tag, it's original.  A friend near 
> me has an 1908 version, but 
> his tag doesn't have the serial number on it.
> I also have pictures of a Jack owned by a fellow 
> in the SF bay area that has 
> a handhole on each end of the crankcase. Wonder 
> what that means?
> As for your water tank pic's please post them to me.
> Thanks,
> Dave




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jul 27 07:39:40 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:39:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKFFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKFFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <46AA03AC.3050901@scrtc.com>

Eldon,
    The sender's email address always appears at the top of the message 
on my system (Netscape).  I don't know if its the same for IE and 
others.  Dave's email address is:

shop at cccomm.net

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Dave:
>
>If you will privately send me your email address, I will privately email the information to you.  (I can't winkle your email address out of the SEL membership list).  If, for some reason, that doesn't work, or if enough folks want it, I will post it to the Jack of All Trades section of my web page.
>
>On the last photo, the "extra oiler" looks like it only goes into the cylinder bore.  I wonder why anyone used the wasted oil system?  Maybe there was a big controversy over which system was best.
>
>I've also wondered why they even put a cylinder oiler on these.  If the dipper on the rod is in place and the oil level is correct, I think there will be plenty of oil thrown up to the cylinder, especially when being run at full nameplate speed.
>
>Take care - Elden
>edurand at mchsi.com
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of Dave Ernst
>>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 07:49 AM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
>>
>>
>>Elden,
>>Now that you've brought up the oiler question, 
>>and thanks to Jeff Allen for 
>>his input, I think the double oilers were 
>>original.  Reading the 
>>instructions posted by Jeff, I read these engines 
>>had an option called 
>>"centrifigal crank pin oiler". When that is 
>>ordered there is an additional 
>>(third)oiler on the left side of the block by the 
>>crank with a hole through 
>>the side cover plate that the tubing from the 
>>oiler passes thru to drip oil 
>>on the crank pin. Mine has the hole, right angle 
>>bracket, tubing and a 1/4" 
>>pipe fitting for an oiler. According to the 
>>instructions with this option 
>>the crankcase was dry and the oil was wasted.
>>Any thoughts?
>>As far as the tag, it's original.  A friend near 
>>me has an 1908 version, but 
>>his tag doesn't have the serial number on it.
>>I also have pictures of a Jack owned by a fellow 
>>in the SF bay area that has 
>>a handhole on each end of the crankcase. Wonder 
>>what that means?
>>As for your water tank pic's please post them to me.
>>Thanks,
>>Dave
>>    
>>
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul 27 08:42:44 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:42:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] A tractor even the engine guys could love...
In-Reply-To: <F070F155-50C1-43FF-9D69-67EA994F565A@alltel.net>
References: <000001c7cfeb$04612cd0$9600a8c0@DJ4Y3J71>
	<F070F155-50C1-43FF-9D69-67EA994F565A@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707271142210.25497@vegeta.city-net.com>

AWESOME!!!!!!

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, David Rotigel wrote:

> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230154940197



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 27 08:08:23 2007
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:08:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] WOODGAS
References: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOAEFDCAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>
Message-ID: <005a01c7d05f$fa66a550$6701a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>



> Alan interesting site i had heard of these engines during the war looks as
> though they have refined them quite a bit theconcept is great and looks 
> like
> good fun.Well worth a read..brent nz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Indeed it was , very cool stuff .

 With all the talk of , and the actual practice of burning money to make 
ethanol it occured
to me that one might use a gas generator and burn the money  directly in the 
engine thereby increasing efficiency .

Has anybody run a model on $100 dollar bills yet ?  Not a steamer , a gas 
engine on cashgas .

Chuck
http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm 



From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Jul 27 08:14:52 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:14:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070727105854.030a29e0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Fink,
I would think that if QP does not adhere to itself then there might be a 
problem at the edge of the earlier coating, Where the second coat meets the 
first coat. It might be a very thin line but maybe. I would try to coat it 
all at once and pour most of the excess out leaving a bit extra in there to 
settle to the bottom to be a thicker coat there if thats your aim.
  I would use a quart total of mixed QP.  One quart will cover all as its 
thin as water till it starts to set.  You might waste some but you will 
definately get it all coated if you roll it thoroughly.
  You could try to mix a total of a half quart and start to roll it and it 
its not enough quick mix another batch and pour it in before the first 
batch begins to catalize. But you have to be quick on mixing the second 
batch if you decide to do that. If the first batch begins to set before the 
second is poured in and mixed with the first then its risking a problem.
                        TTYL,  Mark


At 09:51 AM 7/27/07, you wrote:

>Arnie and any one else that knows. Can this be used to do like the
>bottom of a tank then after drying. Re pore and do the sides. I have
>a tank on a old tractor that is BAD bottom has 2 pound of lead on it
>and still leaks sides very rusty. I would like to seal bottom then
>coat sides it is about 20 gallon tank.  Don't know if one mix would do all,
>Thanks
>R Fink
>PA
>
>At 11:15 AM 7/26/2007 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi Alan,
> >
> >I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
> >two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
> >of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
> >tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
> >crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
> >adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
> >
> >See ya,  Arnie
> >

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
No Sunday calls if possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jul 27 08:20:21 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:20:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <B1952778-4958-4476-938B-B74F01B952E3@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 27, 2007, at 4:47 AM, Curt wrote:
> To avoid the re-stick issue that Dave
> mentioned, one could mix another portion and pour it in just as the
> first batch was beginning to thicken, but not set yet. By getting the
> timing right where you are pouring new material in over setting
> material,

Hey Curt,
I've done exactly as you described:  pour it in, let it set up, pour  
some more in, let it set up, pour some more in, tire of he process  
and call it good.  I suspect the "no stick" instructions might be  
referring to KP that has completely set up and is like a rock.  That  
takes hours to happen.

Rob



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul 27 07:59:35 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:59:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] A tractor even the engine guys could love...
Message-ID: <20070727.112658.1320.1.jlb94@juno.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230154940197

Pretty elaborate "Potato Gun" on the back.
 
Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " How is it possible for Americans to denounce
  (_o_)                Communism and practice it simultaneously?"


From weolson at wiktel.com  Fri Jul 27 10:09:41 2007
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:09:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <46A9E759.6060907@imc-group.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>	<46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>	<521AF939-7580-47C5-A26D-7FCDCD3C2EDB@alltel.net>
	<46A9E759.6060907@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <46AA26D5.90602@wiktel.com>

Here is a cut from the Kwik Poly?  web site  http://kwikpolyllc.com
  regarding recoating. under application title,

 HOLE - MISSING METAL - DAMAGE

When building up patched areas and to gain the utmost strength, several 
coats of thickened Kwik Poly? will be required. It is usually advisable 
to sand between coats and rough up the surface so the succeeding coat 
will get the best adhesion. In some cases you may want to add different 
filler such as milled or shredded fiberglass or glass beads to gain even 
more strength. Or you may just want to experiment by mixing in different 
material. Remember Kwik Poly? will accept just about any filler as long 
as it is dry and free of oil.

   Perhaps this will help
William Olson
Roosevelt, MN

Curt wrote:

>Damn.....read the instructions? What a novel idea!  :-)
>Curt
>
>David Rotigel wrote:
>  
>
>>On Jul 27, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Curt wrote:
>>
>>  
>>    
>>
>>>Richard,
>>>Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he
>>>must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement.
>>>Curt Holland
>>>    
>>>      
>>>
>>Hi Curt, My reason for my statement that QP will not stick to itself  
>>is a rather simple one--it says so in the directions that come with  
>>the QP!
>>	Dave
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>    
>>



From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 27 13:53:01 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:53:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T
In-Reply-To: <46AA03AC.3050901@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKIFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Aw, geez, Tommy!  You just embarrassed the heck outta me!  I knew that.  Must be CRS Syndrome rearing it's ugly head.

Or as Bart Simpson would say......."Doh!"

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 09:40 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks T
> 
> 
> Eldon,
>     The sender's email address always appears at 
> the top of the message 
> on my system (Netscape).  I don't know if its the 
> same for IE and 
> others.  Dave's email address is:
> 
> shop at cccomm.net
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> >Dave:
> >
> >If you will privately send me your email 
> address, I will privately email the information 
> to you.  (I can't winkle your email address out 
> of the SEL membership list).  If, for some 
> reason, that doesn't work, or if enough folks 
> want it, I will post it to the Jack of All Trades 
> section of my web page.
> >
> >On the last photo, the "extra oiler" looks like 
> it only goes into the cylinder bore.  I wonder 
> why anyone used the wasted oil system?  Maybe 
> there was a big controversy over which system was best.
> >
> >I've also wondered why they even put a cylinder 
> oiler on these.  If the dipper on the rod is in 
> place and the oil level is correct, I think there 
> will be plenty of oil thrown up to the cylinder, 
> especially when being run at full nameplate speed.




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 27 14:52:41 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:52:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Drawing of F-M Jack Tank and photos of skid
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKKFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

To save complication, I have added tank dimensions and skid photos to my "Jack of All Trades" page.

Go to the site below and click on the appropriate page. 

Take care - Elden DuRand
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Fri Jul 27 14:55:22 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:55:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com><20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net><46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
	<B1952778-4958-4476-938B-B74F01B952E3@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <003401c7d098$d524beb0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

You know what?
You could keep pouring that stuff in like you say until the tank will no 
longer be able to hold any gas to leak out.
That would work.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer


>
> On Jul 27, 2007, at 4:47 AM, Curt wrote:
>> To avoid the re-stick issue that Dave
>> mentioned, one could mix another portion and pour it in just as the
>> first batch was beginning to thicken, but not set yet. By getting the
>> timing right where you are pouring new material in over setting
>> material,
>
> Hey Curt,
> I've done exactly as you described:  pour it in, let it set up, pour
> some more in, let it set up, pour some more in, tire of he process
> and call it good.  I suspect the "no stick" instructions might be
> referring to KP that has completely set up and is like a rock.  That
> takes hours to happen.
>
> Rob
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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> 6:08 AM
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> 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 27 15:14:42 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:14:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer  Color ?
In-Reply-To: <46AA26D5.90602@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <405078.10406.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

OK Folks,
I went looking on their web site, but I didn't find what I wanted.
I read how to add colorings and thickeners, but what I am wondering is this:

What color is Kwik Poly when it hardens up?

Seems like I remember someone using Kwik Poly to harden up and repair a rotted wooden leg on a corn sheller or mill of some kind a few years back.

Thanks,
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

       
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 27 16:12:48 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:12:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer  Color ?
In-Reply-To: <405078.10406.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <405078.10406.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2B02065E-CECB-45F9-A721-8514077D51D4@alltel.net>

> What color is Kwik Poly when it hardens up?
Yellowish white
>
> Seems like I remember someone using Kwik Poly to harden up and  
> repair a rotted wooden leg on a corn sheller or mill of some kind a  
> few years back.
That's correct, you did.
>
> Thanks,
> Alan Bowen

	Dave


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 27 16:28:08 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:28:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
Message-ID: <D3F60641-3A4B-4310-983B-6E67A31052C7@alltel.net>

Hi All,
	The response that I got to my earlier call for those who will attend  
the ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction on Thursday evening of the  
Portland Show was (to say the least) unspectacular! I had only 6  
responses! Everything runs it's course and then is over--so it is  
with the dinner and auction. It's sad to let go of it, but so be it!  
See you all at Portland!
	Dave


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jul 27 16:38:16 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:38:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer  Color ?
In-Reply-To: <405078.10406.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <405078.10406.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BCCB100C-B1F5-4856-A571-DB0868235F92@rustyiron.com>

On Jul 27, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

> OK Folks,
> I went looking on their web site, but I didn't find what I wanted.
> I read how to add colorings and thickeners, but what I am wondering  
> is this:
>
> What color is Kwik Poly when it hardens up?
>
> Seems like I remember someone using Kwik Poly to harden up and  
> repair a rotted wooden leg on a corn sheller or mill of some kind a  
> few years back.


Heya Alan,
When used as directed, Kwik-Poly is almost clear.  Thick, it's a  
light yellow, like a mix between white and a manilla envelope.

A few years back I wrote of using it on the leg of a cider press  
where the end grain had dry rot and was soft like styrofoam.  The  
wood was very decorative, and it would have been a shame to have to  
replace it.  For this application, I can think of nothing better than  
KP.  It's watery enough to soak into the wood quickly, yet set up  
fast enough before you end up with a mess.

Rob





From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Jul 27 19:54:34 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:54:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20070727235447.2396D2299CF@md5.pennswoods.net>

Thanks Dave Curt and all. I have worked on this tractor on and off 
last 3 years or so. I took the tank in to a local radiator shop that 
does relining and they said with the leaks could not be done. It is a 
1932 Cleatrac W last year with steering wheel.
R Fink




At 07:47 AM 7/27/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>Richard,
>Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he
>must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement. That said,
>why wouldn't you do the QP treatment all in one step? I had a weepy tank
>on my Ford 600 tractor tank. No rust anywhere to be found, but still
>weepy. I removed the tank, cleaned the outside real well in the parts
>washer, and re-welded a support bracket that had come loose. Then poured
>in a cup or 2 of lacquer thinner and sloshed this around, de-greasing
>the inside of the tank thoroughly. Then took an air hose and blew the
>inside until all the thinner was gone. I mixed less than a 1/2 cup of
>the QP and poured it in. It's like water and you slosh this around in a
>pattern to assure you wet the entire bottom half of the tank. You can go
>as high or low as you wish up the sides. You keep sloshing until the
>chemical reaction begins to occur and it gets more and more viscous. If
>you have a particularly weak or holy area, allow the left over material
>to settle in this area as it is chemically setting.
>The larger the tank, the more product you mix initially. For your large
>tank you might need a full cup. To avoid the re-stick issue that Dave
>mentioned, one could mix another portion and pour it in just as the
>first batch was beginning to thicken, but not set yet. By getting the
>timing right where you are pouring new material in over setting
>material, I would think they would be molecularly bonded and not be
>separate layers.
>FWIW, the QP in the Ford 600 tank is still working great going on 7
>years now.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>Richard Fink Sr wrote:
> > Arnie and any one else that knows. Can this be used to do like the
> > bottom of a tank then after drying. Re pore and do the sides. I have
> > a tank on a old tractor that is BAD bottom has 2 pound of lead on it
> > and still leaks sides very rusty. I would like to seal bottom then
> > coat sides it is about 20 gallon tank.  Don't know if one mix would do all,
> > Thanks
> > R Fink
> > PA
> >
> >
> >
> > At 11:15 AM 7/26/2007 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Alan,
> >>
> >> I've never used Lee's stuff, but I have used Kwik Poly.  Kwik Poly is a
> >> two-part thermoset sealer that does a fantastic job.  It's the consistency
> >> of water when first mixed, so you need to tape over any gross holes in the
> >> tank.  But as you slosh it around and it heats up it gets into EVERY
> >> crevice and forms a permanent, hard but flexible coating, with great
> >> adhesion.  All in all, GOOD stuff!
> >>
> >> See ya,  Arnie
> >>
> >> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alan Bowen wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Joe,
> >>> What is the advantage of Kwik Poly over the tank sealer that Lee
> >>>
> >> Pedersen  sells?
> >>
> >>> http://www.enginads.com/pedersen/index.html
> >>>
> >>> I really like the idea of pouring some in the tank, sloshing it around
> >>> then pouring the extra back into the can for later use.
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
>
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Jul 27 20:02:43 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:02:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <003401c7d098$d524beb0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
References: <83522.80276.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707260937290.18719@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20070727105159.E1435229D03@md5.pennswoods.net>
	<46A9DB5D.7000400@imc-group.com>
	<B1952778-4958-4476-938B-B74F01B952E3@rustyiron.com>
	<003401c7d098$d524beb0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <20070728000259.42B072299B0@md5.pennswoods.net>

Skip do you have a few extra thousand laying around. If so i will try that.
LOL
R Fink

At 05:55 PM 7/27/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>You know what?
>You could keep pouring that stuff in like you say until the tank will no
>longer be able to hold any gas to leak out.
>That would work.
>Skip
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
>
>
> >
> > On Jul 27, 2007, at 4:47 AM, Curt wrote:
> >> To avoid the re-stick issue that Dave
> >> mentioned, one could mix another portion and pour it in just as the
> >> first batch was beginning to thicken, but not set yet. By getting the
> >> timing right where you are pouring new material in over setting
> >> material,
> >
> > Hey Curt,
> > I've done exactly as you described:  pour it in, let it set up, pour
> > some more in, let it set up, pour some more in, tire of he process
> > and call it good.  I suspect the "no stick" instructions might be
> > referring to KP that has completely set up and is like a rock.  That
> > takes hours to happen.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 22:41:26 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:41:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
In-Reply-To: <D3F60641-3A4B-4310-983B-6E67A31052C7@alltel.net>
References: <D3F60641-3A4B-4310-983B-6E67A31052C7@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707272241t5159908w16a07964db0e6f31@mail.gmail.com>

On 28/07/07, David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
>         The response that I got to my earlier call for those who will attend
> the ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction on Thursday evening of the
> Portland Show was (to say the least) unspectacular! I had only 6
> responses! Everything runs it's course and then is over--so it is
> with the dinner and auction. It's sad to let go of it, but so be it!
> See you all at Portland!
>         Dave
>

That's very dissapointing, Dave, and somewhat unusual bearing in mind
the numbers at previous years.

We will still be going up there on the Thursday evening, it is part of
the show for us.

Hopefully we will see some of the guys and gals there?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Fri Jul 27 23:02:12 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent tamatea)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:02:12 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <46AA26D5.90602@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOGEHCCAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>

On the basis of what is written could the previous coating be roughened up
by shaking the tank carefully with nuts and bolts or light chain to prepare
the surface for another coat just a thought. brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of William
Olson
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 5:10 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer


Here is a cut from the Kwik Poly?  web site  http://kwikpolyllc.com
  regarding recoating. under application title,

 HOLE - MISSING METAL - DAMAGE

When building up patched areas and to gain the utmost strength, several
coats of thickened Kwik Poly? will be required. It is usually advisable
to sand between coats and rough up the surface so the succeeding coat
will get the best adhesion. In some cases you may want to add different
filler such as milled or shredded fiberglass or glass beads to gain even
more strength. Or you may just want to experiment by mixing in different
material. Remember Kwik Poly? will accept just about any filler as long
as it is dry and free of oil.

   Perhaps this will help
William Olson
Roosevelt, MN

Curt wrote:

>Damn.....read the instructions? What a novel idea!  :-)
>Curt
>
>David Rotigel wrote:
>
>
>>On Jul 27, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Curt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Richard,
>>>Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he
>>>must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement.
>>>Curt Holland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Hi Curt, My reason for my statement that QP will not stick to itself
>>is a rather simple one--it says so in the directions that come with
>>the QP!
>>	Dave
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>

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From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Fri Jul 27 23:22:16 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent tamatea)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:22:16 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer
In-Reply-To: <46AA26D5.90602@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOOEHCCAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>

Thank you for sending the link i have a few petrol tanks that i was going to
try repairing i had come to the conclusion that epoxy compounds work the
best as they are impervious to oils and greases and are very strong ideally
a solvent based one is best there are water based ones on the market as well
these work better for sealing concrete as a moisure barrier i had fixed a
petrol tank using some knead it a two part mix that i purchased from a local
hardware store which worked extremely well certainly no problems and is
extremely strong.As thequik poly is like water sounds a really good option
for rusted tanks..Always good to hear of good feedback have not been
convinced of the others products on the market especially the type of
products that remain in a semi soft or tacky condition once cured  brent nz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of William
Olson
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 5:10 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer


Here is a cut from the Kwik Poly?  web site  http://kwikpolyllc.com
  regarding recoating. under application title,

 HOLE - MISSING METAL - DAMAGE

When building up patched areas and to gain the utmost strength, several
coats of thickened Kwik Poly? will be required. It is usually advisable
to sand between coats and rough up the surface so the succeeding coat
will get the best adhesion. In some cases you may want to add different
filler such as milled or shredded fiberglass or glass beads to gain even
more strength. Or you may just want to experiment by mixing in different
material. Remember Kwik Poly? will accept just about any filler as long
as it is dry and free of oil.

   Perhaps this will help
William Olson
Roosevelt, MN

Curt wrote:

>Damn.....read the instructions? What a novel idea!  :-)
>Curt
>
>David Rotigel wrote:
>
>
>>On Jul 27, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Curt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Richard,
>>>Dave pointed out that QP won't stick to QP. I haven't tried it but he
>>>must have a good, tried and true reason for his statement.
>>>Curt Holland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Hi Curt, My reason for my statement that QP will not stick to itself
>>is a rather simple one--it says so in the directions that come with
>>the QP!
>>	Dave
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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jul 28 04:17:48 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:17:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer  Color ?
References: <405078.10406.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c7d108$ef0abb70$00d34c0c@D48VHZ61>

There is actually a product made for strengthening rotten wood. A painter 
friend of mine showed it to me, he keeps it in the truck to repair water 
damage if not too severe. I believe he has to get it from paint stores, I 
don't know if the big home improvement stores would carry it. I'm thinking 
it may have been made by Minwax or Formby's, but don't hold me to it.

John Hall
.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer Color ?


>> Seems like I remember someone using Kwik Poly to harden up and repair a 
>> rotted wooden leg on a corn sheller or mill of some kind a few years 
>> back.
>
> Thanks,
> Alan Bowen
> Williamsburg, Michigan
> 




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 28 12:25:49 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:25:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer verses Minwax Wood Hardener
In-Reply-To: <002b01c7d108$ef0abb70$00d34c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <739076.66449.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi John,

I am pretty sure you are talking about Minwax Wood Hardener.
I have used the stuff.  I was not at all satisfied.  Kwik Poly will do a better job a whole lot faster and I am very sure it will last longer.

I just went here,,,,
http://www.epinions.com/content_171240230532

It is one person's opinion about how great Minwax Wood Hardener is.

Maybe I should write an opinion for them too.

I brushed that product into a badly rotted window sill at my mom's house.  I kept at it until the wood wouldn't hold any more.   It seemed okay after it dried and I covered it with aluminum and went on.  Two years later I checked that area out and there was nothing under the aluminum.

A year later I ripped the whole window out so now instead of a picture window in the dining room she has two double hung windows mulled together with tilt in sashes that are easy for her to wash.

This is my opinion.  Do what you want and form your own opinion.  8>))

Alan Bowen


John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote: There is actually a product made for strengthening rotten wood. A painter 
friend of mine showed it to me, he keeps it in the truck to repair water 
damage if not too severe. I believe he has to get it from paint stores, I 
don't know if the big home improvement stores would carry it. I'm thinking 
it may have been made by Minwax or Formby's, but don't hold me to it.

John Hall
.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer Color ?


>> Seems like I remember someone using Kwik Poly to harden up and repair a 
>> rotted wooden leg on a corn sheller or mill of some kind a few years 
>> back.
>
> Thanks,
> Alan Bowen
> Williamsburg, Michigan
> 


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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jul 29 04:00:42 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:00:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Helena, Montana first show
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV7606EBF4E89DF5198FA6DBBED0@phx.gbl>


  Well gang...I guess there is some hope after all.  Friends, Clayton 
"Willy" Wilhelm and wife Donna got hooked a year or so ago and this weekend 
they showed their iron at the Lewis & Clark County Fairgrounds.  Great shady 
setup and while friend Corky and I were there, he had quite a few spectators 
asking the usual questions.  A great start for Willy and Donna even with 
just showing the JD, Pig, and a little Fred.  The fairboard will be 
contacted and will see if they would like to expand.

  It's time here to seriously consider a club....would appreciate any 
suggestions, good or bad.  I see nothing wrong with EDGE & TA, although they 
will not cover liability for individual showings.  Please correct me if I'm 
wrong.

  Here's a few photo's of Willy, Donna, and friend Corky.  The first two 
pictures are at Willy's place, shot a couple months ago...yup, that's his 
airplane hangar where the bug is.....he builds and flys airplanes...but has 
recently replaced Aluminum with Cast Iron :-)

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/557273480qakVUp

Hope ya enjoy and can help us out starting a club....

Best regards from forest fire country...it is smoky here!!!

RickinMt. 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Jul 29 06:57:44 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:57:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Helena, Montana first show
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV7606EBF4E89DF5198FA6DBBED0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOELMFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Hi, Smokey.....er, Rick:

I hope you don't make a flaming ash outta yerself!   :-)

Starting a club.............If you're willing to put a lot of effort into it and will have fun in the process, go for it.  

You may also consider just having gatherings at the fairgrounds without having the hassle of managing a club.  I don't know how that would affect insurance, etc. but it would be easier to just have a few of these a year.  I don't know if the Fair Board could help with insurance as a co-sponsor but it may be worth a try.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 06:01 AM
> To: sel
> Subject: [SEL] Helena, Montana first show
> 
> 
> 
>   Well gang...I guess there is some hope after 
> all.  Friends, Clayton 
> "Willy" Wilhelm and wife Donna got hooked a year 
> or so ago and this weekend 
> they showed their iron at the Lewis & Clark 
> County Fairgrounds.  Great shady 
> setup and while friend Corky and I were there, he 
> had quite a few spectators 
> asking the usual questions.  A great start for 
> Willy and Donna even with 
> just showing the JD, Pig, and a little Fred.  The 
> fairboard will be 
> contacted and will see if they would like to expand.
> 
>   It's time here to seriously consider a 
> club....would appreciate any 
> suggestions, good or bad.  I see nothing wrong 
> with EDGE & TA, although they 
> will not cover liability for individual showings. 
>  Please correct me if I'm 
> wrong.
> 
>   Here's a few photo's of Willy, Donna, and 
> friend Corky.  The first two 
> pictures are at Willy's place, shot a couple 
> months ago...yup, that's his 
> airplane hangar where the bug is.....he builds 
> and flys airplanes...but has 
> recently replaced Aluminum with Cast Iron :-)
> 
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/557273480qakVUp
> 
> Hope ya enjoy and can help us out starting a club....
> 
> Best regards from forest fire country...it is 
> smoky here!!!
> 
> RickinMt.




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 29 06:59:36 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:59:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160707272241t5159908w16a07964db0e6f31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F287335FED5CC8D12FF4DDD95ED0@phx.gbl>

The Cloistered Oyster Brothers will be there as well. We even made hotel 
reservations nearby so we could  haul our loot  easier.  Maybe Glenn can 
auction for Peter and the Oysters! What a shame. Steve


>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
>Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:41:26 +0100
>
>On 28/07/07, David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >         The response that I got to my earlier call for those who will 
>attend
> > the ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction on Thursday evening of the
> > Portland Show was (to say the least) unspectacular! I had only 6
> > responses! Everything runs it's course and then is over--so it is
> > with the dinner and auction. It's sad to let go of it, but so be it!
> > See you all at Portland!
> >         Dave
> >
>
>That's very dissapointing, Dave, and somewhat unusual bearing in mind
>the numbers at previous years.
>
>We will still be going up there on the Thursday evening, it is part of
>the show for us.
>
>Hopefully we will see some of the guys and gals there?
>
>Peter
>--
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>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jul 29 08:25:30 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:25:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
Message-ID: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I'm working on a 4 hp tank-cooled Lister L.  The tank that I'm starting with is
an ordinary 30-gallon drum so I need to put three opening in the sides.  One
each for inlet and outlet pipe nipples and one near the bottom for a
faucet-type drain.

Before I just started hacking away, I figgered I'd tap the collective experience
of the lists.  What have you done that worked well?  What should I avoid?  Any
suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Jul 29 09:20:51 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:20:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
References: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c7d1fc$7317c590$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Talk to Steve (evil), as he has been successful with his methods.
Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:25 AM
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed


> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm working on a 4 hp tank-cooled Lister L.  The tank that I'm starting 
> with is
> an ordinary 30-gallon drum so I need to put three opening in the sides. 
> One
> each for inlet and outlet pipe nipples and one near the bottom for a
> faucet-type drain.
>
> Before I just started hacking away, I figgered I'd tap the collective 
> experience
> of the lists.  What have you done that worked well?  What should I avoid? 
> Any
> suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
>
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Jul 29 09:55:48 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:55:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
In-Reply-To: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <047c01c7d201$50561ed0$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Arnie

I have good experience with 22mm compression tank fittings in the UK - these
comprise a threaded stub with backplate and neoprene washer and an external
nut to clamp them to the tank wall, plus the usual compression nut and olive
for the pipe.  They seal up really well and the tank nut only needs to be
done up just over finger-tight.  Picture at
http://www.edirectory.co.uk/pf/880/mia/d/22mm+tank+connector+washer/pid/1418
296 - cheap as chips (french fries) here.  There exist 3/4" BSP versions
that might just mate with an NPT fitting.

Lister used to do it with a 3/4" BSP (like NPT) socket brazed to a
backplate, inserted through a hole in the tank wall and riveted at each
corner.  The whole lot was hot dip galvanised afterwards and I guess the
zinc was what sealed it up properly.

Let me know if you would like any fitting posted to you?  A good site is
http://www.bes.co.uk/ - every kind of pipe fitting known to man....

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> Sent: 29 July 2007 16:26
> To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine
> Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I'm working on a 4 hp tank-cooled Lister L.  The tank that 
> I'm starting with is
> an ordinary 30-gallon drum so I need to put three opening in 
> the sides.  One
> each for inlet and outlet pipe nipples and one near the bottom for a
> faucet-type drain.
> 
> Before I just started hacking away, I figgered I'd tap the 
> collective experience
> of the lists.  What have you done that worked well?  What 
> should I avoid?  Any
> suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> 
> 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 10:28:32 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:28:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F287335FED5CC8D12FF4DDD95ED0@phx.gbl>
References: <6f6025160707272241t5159908w16a07964db0e6f31@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY144-F287335FED5CC8D12FF4DDD95ED0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160707291028m193660q3858ec48d6de1794@mail.gmail.com>

On 29/07/07, Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com> wrote:
> The Cloistered Oyster Brothers will be there as well. We even made hotel
> reservations nearby so we could  haul our loot  easier.  Maybe Glenn can
> auction for Peter and the Oysters! What a shame. Steve
>

Let's see how many are still coming, maybe we can still have a mini-dinner!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Sun Jul 29 10:58:25 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:58:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
References: <6f6025160707272241t5159908w16a07964db0e6f31@mail.gmail.com><BAY144-F287335FED5CC8D12FF4DDD95ED0@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160707291028m193660q3858ec48d6de1794@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c7d20a$10dfd940$02e8123f@D8LJ7K91>

Glenn is prepared to retire from his auctioneering profession.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!


> On 29/07/07, Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The Cloistered Oyster Brothers will be there as well. We even made hotel
>> reservations nearby so we could  haul our loot  easier.  Maybe Glenn can
>> auction for Peter and the Oysters! What a shame. Steve
>>
>
> Let's see how many are still coming, maybe we can still have a 
> mini-dinner!
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 29 11:30:52 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:30:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Helena, Montana first show
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOELMFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <835838.64068.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am with Elden here.
Yes, around here we have several engine shows that are easy to drive to.
They are all within the 32 to 72 mile range.

However,,, there is another event that I enjoy too.
At Kalkaska, Michigan, just 13 miles east of me,,,,,, Every year when they have their county fair there is one area where you will find several guys each with several running engines on a trailer.
It doesn't take a club to have fun.  A lot of folks come by and enjoy the engines.
For the next event why don't you take your engines and set up right next to him.
Then just see if others want to join you. There might come a time when the group of you all might want to start a club.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan
BTW, I have been in Helena, Belt and Great Falls too.

Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote: Hi, Smokey.....er, Rick:

I hope you don't make a flaming ash outta yerself!   :-)

Starting a club.............If you're willing to put a lot of effort into it and will have fun in the process, go for it.  

You may also consider just having gatherings at the fairgrounds without having the hassle of managing a club.  I don't know how that would affect insurance, etc. but it would be easier to just have a few of these a year.  I don't know if the Fair Board could help with insurance as a co-sponsor but it may be worth a try.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 06:01 AM
> To: sel
> Subject: [SEL] Helena, Montana first show
> 
> 
> 
>   Well gang...I guess there is some hope after 
> all.  Friends, Clayton 
> "Willy" Wilhelm and wife Donna got hooked a year 
> or so ago and this weekend 
> they showed their iron at the Lewis & Clark 
> County Fairgrounds.  Great shady 
> setup and while friend Corky and I were there, he 
> had quite a few spectators 
> asking the usual questions.  A great start for 
> Willy and Donna even with 
> just showing the JD, Pig, and a little Fred.  The 
> fairboard will be 
> contacted and will see if they would like to expand.
> 
>   It's time here to seriously consider a 
> club....would appreciate any 
> suggestions, good or bad.  I see nothing wrong 
> with EDGE & TA, although they 
> will not cover liability for individual showings. 
>  Please correct me if I'm 
> wrong.
> 
>   Here's a few photo's of Willy, Donna, and 
> friend Corky.  The first two 
> pictures are at Willy's place, shot a couple 
> months ago...yup, that's his 
> airplane hangar where the bug is.....he builds 
> and flys airplanes...but has 
> recently replaced Aluminum with Cast Iron :-)
> 
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/557273480qakVUp
> 
> Hope ya enjoy and can help us out starting a club....
> 
> Best regards from forest fire country...it is 
> smoky here!!!
> 
> RickinMt.


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From rwenig at telus.net  Sun Jul 29 09:45:20 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:45:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
In-Reply-To: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <46ACC420.1010602@telus.net>

Hello Arnie,
	Most drums I've seen have a 3/4" and a 2" bung on the top. Pipe thread 
will fit either opening. My suggestion is to use the 3/4 opening for 
your full outlet and the larger opening for the filler and vent. No 
drilling, cutting or welding that way and best of all no danger of any 
surprises from any stray fumes that might still be inside the drum.
	Full the drum with water before you drill/cut or weld a drain if you 
really want to install a drain in the bottom. Course, you knew that.
	Actually, I think a small drum type tank mounted on it's side looks 
quite neat. A smaller drum may look better for small engine.

Rupert

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I'm working on a 4 hp tank-cooled Lister L.  The tank that I'm starting with is
> an ordinary 30-gallon drum so I need to put three opening in the sides.  One
> each for inlet and outlet pipe nipples and one near the bottom for a
> faucet-type drain.
> 
> Before I just started hacking away, I figgered I'd tap the collective experience
> of the lists.  What have you done that worked well?  What should I avoid?  Any
> suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> 
> 
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> 

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Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jul 29 12:52:02 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:52:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer verses Minwax Wood Hardener
References: <739076.66449.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004601c7d219$f0d477e0$20d94c0c@D48VHZ61>

Next time I see him I'll ask what brand it is he uses. I know when he runs 
into serious problems he reccomends hiring a carpenter to fix the problem 
instead of patching if at all possible.
 I'll keep the KP in mind if I should need to patch up some woodwork.

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 3:25 PM
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer verses Minwax Wood Hardener


> Hi John,
>
> I am pretty sure you are talking about Minwax Wood Hardener.
> I have used the stuff.  I was not at all satisfied.  Kwik Poly will do a 
> better job a whole lot faster and I am very sure it will last longer.
>
> I just went here,,,,
> http://www.epinions.com/content_171240230532
>
> It is one person's opinion about how great Minwax Wood Hardener is.
>
> Maybe I should write an opinion for them too.
>
> I brushed that product into a badly rotted window sill at my mom's house. 
> I kept at it until the wood wouldn't hold any more.   It seemed okay after 
> it dried and I covered it with aluminum and went on.  Two years later I 
> checked that area out and there was nothing under the aluminum.
>
> A year later I ripped the whole window out so now instead of a picture 
> window in the dining room she has two double hung windows mulled together 
> with tilt in sashes that are easy for her to wash.
>
> This is my opinion.  Do what you want and form your own opinion.  8>))
>
> Alan Bowen
>
>
> John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote: There is actually a product 
> made for strengthening rotten wood. A painter
> friend of mine showed it to me, he keeps it in the truck to repair water
> damage if not too severe. I believe he has to get it from paint stores, I
> don't know if the big home improvement stores would carry it. I'm thinking
> it may have been made by Minwax or Formby's, but don't hold me to it.
>
> John Hall
> .
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Bowen"
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:14 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer Color ?
>
>
>>> Seems like I remember someone using Kwik Poly to harden up and repair a
>>> rotted wooden leg on a corn sheller or mill of some kind a few years
>>> back.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alan Bowen
>> Williamsburg, Michigan
>>
>
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 14:26:26 2007
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:26:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
References: <D3F60641-3A4B-4310-983B-6E67A31052C7@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c7d227$2108a280$42b0e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi All,
        Sorry to see the above has been cancelled , it is 3 years since I 
attended and was really looking forward to going again.
  See you at Portland.
   Craig in Scotland
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:28 AM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!


> Hi All,
> The response that I got to my earlier call for those who will attend
> the ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction on Thursday evening of the
> Portland Show was (to say the least) unspectacular! I had only 6
> responses! Everything runs it's course and then is over--so it is
> with the dinner and auction. It's sad to let go of it, but so be it!
> See you all at Portland!
> Dave
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jul 29 15:19:35 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:19:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
In-Reply-To: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <5B8F51B6-BEAF-496F-80EB-CE111BDB903E@alltel.net>

NIPPLES UP my friend!
	Dave

On Jul 29, 2007, at 11:25 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm working on a 4 hp tank-cooled Lister L.  The tank that I'm  
> starting with is
> an ordinary 30-gallon drum so I need to put three opening in the  
> sides.  One
> each for inlet and outlet pipe nipples and one near the bottom for a
> faucet-type drain.
>
> Before I just started hacking away, I figgered I'd tap the  
> collective experience
> of the lists.  What have you done that worked well?  What should I  
> avoid?  Any
> suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> See ya,  Arnie


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 29 17:05:08 2007
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:05:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
In-Reply-To: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F24542A40BE9EEFBBF650E395EE0@phx.gbl>

Hello Arnie, I just finished one on the McVickers and I used floor flanges. 
For the bottom (flat) drain I just drilled the tank and put two back to back 
with EPDM (rubber roofing) gaskets and brass screws, then screwed in the 
drain.  For the curved sides of the tank I ground the radius  of the tank 
into the floor  flange for the exterior and ran the tap as far into it as it 
would go. Then on the inside I sawed the threaded part off the flange to use 
as a nut and ground the inside radius on what was left to use as a backing 
plate. I sawed the tank with a metal cuting hole saw. I bolted them together 
again with EPDM gaskets and brass screws. Then ran my pipe through the two 
pieces and tightened it with the "nut". It  was fairly quick and doesn't 
leak and  used what was laying around the shop. Steve


>From: fero_ah at city-net.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        
>Old_Engine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
>Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:25:30 -0400
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I'm working on a 4 hp tank-cooled Lister L.  The tank that I'm starting 
>with is
>an ordinary 30-gallon drum so I need to put three opening in the sides.  
>One
>each for inlet and outlet pipe nipples and one near the bottom for a
>faucet-type drain.
>
>Before I just started hacking away, I figgered I'd tap the collective 
>experience
>of the lists.  What have you done that worked well?  What should I avoid?  
>Any
>suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 18:47:48 2007
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:47:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer verses Minwax Wood Hardener
In-Reply-To: <004601c7d219$f0d477e0$20d94c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <739076.66449.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<004601c7d219$f0d477e0$20d94c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0707291847q702b9c81ya457f75635fc7dac@mail.gmail.com>

I've been using epoxy to repair rotten wood for years. (The first epoxy I
used was in 1962) I get a brand called "West Systems" from a boat supply
store and have used "Smith's" also. You are replacing missing wood cells
with plastic.
There are many types available designed for many things. Quick Poly is a
good example of a special purpose chemical.

Do some on-line research, but basically: most epoxies will seal anything
they stick to but are not necessarily chemical resistant.  Thin epoxy is
best for wood rot because of the penetration. If you coat the wood with
denatured alcohol it will kill the fungus that causes the rot. You can also
use the alchol to thin the epoxy for better penetration but it make the
epoxy weaker. That's not good for structural members, but fine for windows
and such.

That's the basics and much more info is available on-line.

Paul
Repair guy in SanFran



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sun Jul 29 19:05:17 2007
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:05:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner and Charity Auction Cancelled!
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-F287335FED5CC8D12FF4DDD95ED0@phx.gbl>
References: <6f6025160707272241t5159908w16a07964db0e6f31@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY144-F287335FED5CC8D12FF4DDD95ED0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200707292210792.SM05184@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com>

We have to check our son Isaac into Indiana University on Wednesday 
the week of Portland. So, we weren't sure what our Portland plans 
were going to be.  With any luck we hope to make it to Portland on 
Thursday.  If you still have the dinner put us down for 4 or 5 people.
Keith



Keith Kinney
Evansville, Indiana  USA
www.HerculesEngines.com 



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 30 05:51:12 2007
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:51:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tank Cooled Engine - Pipe Fitting Suggestions Needed
References: <1185722730.46acb16ad3f58@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <007d01c7d2a8$4f4e03c0$6701a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


 One thing I ran into is 55's pinholing pretty quick .
 I use the  floor flange as well . 
 


From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz  Mon Jul 30 01:22:36 2007
From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent tamatea)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:22:36 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer verses Minwax Wood Hardener
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0707291847q702b9c81ya457f75635fc7dac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <GBEOIGDEAFGDJKIKNNLOIEILCAAA.brent.tamatea@clear.net.nz>

Paul good info on the epoxies i also am a repair guy hadnt thought of
denatured alcohol we call that methylated spirits here for fungus control i
have a window to repair so will try the method out.brent nz


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of P. Johns
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:48 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik Poly Sealer verses Minwax Wood Hardener


I've been using epoxy to repair rotten wood for years. (The first epoxy I
used was in 1962) I get a brand called "West Systems" from a boat supply
store and have used "Smith's" also. You are replacing missing wood cells
with plastic.
There are many types available designed for many things. Quick Poly is a
good example of a special purpose chemical.

Do some on-line research, but basically: most epoxies will seal anything
they stick to but are not necessarily chemical resistant.  Thin epoxy is
best for wood rot because of the penetration. If you coat the wood with
denatured alcohol it will kill the fungus that causes the rot. You can also
use the alchol to thin the epoxy for better penetration but it make the
epoxy weaker. That's not good for structural members, but fine for windows
and such.

That's the basics and much more info is available on-line.

Paul
Repair guy in SanFran

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From jdragoset at galvotec.com  Mon Jul 30 06:57:58 2007
From: jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:57:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
Message-ID: <LJENJGOEJJENFCJNAJBGKEHOHFAA.jdragoset@galvotec.com>

Someone just dropped off a pair of spoked flywheels on a crankshaft.
Cast into each flywheel is "ZAC13F5".
Any ideas?
Jim Dragoset


From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jul 30 09:58:32 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:58:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <LJENJGOEJJENFCJNAJBGKEHOHFAA.jdragoset@galvotec.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEMKFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Diameter?  Width?

Could be ZC series Fairbanks-Morse.  If they're the heavy ZC52 wheels, I could be interested if the price is right (and not located on the moon!).

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim
> Dragoset
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 08:58 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
> 
> 
> Someone just dropped off a pair of spoked 
> flywheels on a crankshaft.
> Cast into each flywheel is "ZAC13F5".
> Any ideas?
> Jim Dragoset
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From jdragoset at galvotec.com  Mon Jul 30 10:50:17 2007
From: jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:50:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEMKFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <LJENJGOEJJENFCJNAJBGGEIKHFAA.jdragoset@galvotec.com>

Elden,
16-3/4" Diameter, 1-3/4" Wide, 1/2" Key, 1-3/8" Shaft Diameter,  5/8" Pinch
Bolt,
Six Straight Spokes with Three machined flat and drilled.
The crank is bent at the gear end, likely into the web.
Location is New Orleans but I do work in Wood River, IL several times a year
and drive up.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Elden DuRand [mailto:edurand at mchsi.com]
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:59 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft


Diameter?  Width?

Could be ZC series Fairbanks-Morse.  If they're the heavy ZC52 wheels, I
could be interested if the price is right (and not located on the moon!).

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim
> Dragoset
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 08:58 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
>
>
> Someone just dropped off a pair of spoked
> flywheels on a crankshaft.
> Cast into each flywheel is "ZAC13F5".
> Any ideas?
> Jim Dragoset
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jul 30 14:24:55 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:24:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <LJENJGOEJJENFCJNAJBGGEIKHFAA.jdragoset@galvotec.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEMMFPAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jim:

Your wheels are an inch narrower and 1" larger in diameter than the ones I'm looking for.  I'll bet they'll fit many F-M Z's in the 3hp range.

Other than the fact that they are the "lightweight" wheels, they would fit.

Thanks for the trouble, but I can't use 'em.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim
> Dragoset
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:50 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spoked Flywheels & Crankshaft
> 
> 
> Elden,
> 16-3/4" Diameter, 1-3/4" Wide, 1/2" Key, 1-3/8" 
> Shaft Diameter,  5/8" Pinch
> Bolt,
> Six Straight Spokes with Three machined flat and drilled.
> The crank is bent at the gear end, likely into the web.
> Location is New Orleans but I do work in Wood 
> River, IL several times a year
> and drive up.
> Jim




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Jul 31 04:01:06 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:01:06 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old engine express hauling needed
Message-ID: <073120071101.25539.46AF16720000E240000063C3219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Sure could use some help hauling a engine from Baraboo show to Portland show.
The engine is a 8hp Foos on skids, weight approx 1100lb, length of skids 6ft 
height 57".  Will help with gas money.  Please contact asap.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
McConnell, Ill.
815-868-2457  home/office
815-238-7316  cell (leave voice msg)


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Jul 31 13:33:02 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:33:02 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
Message-ID: <073120072033.17730.46AF9C7E0006620400004542219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

I am looking for a source for 32 volt light bulbs for my Delco light plant.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul 31 14:32:52 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:32:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <073120072033.17730.46AF9C7E0006620400004542219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <073120072033.17730.46AF9C7E0006620400004542219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707311731010.52256@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

Try these guys... 15, 25, 50, 75, and 100 watt x 32 volt, screw base.
http://www.sailorsams.com/mall/abi-a17-screw-base-light-bulbs.asp

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> I am looking for a source for 32 volt light bulbs for my Delco light plant.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> thank you in advance.



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 14:26:23 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:26:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <073120072033.17730.46AF9C7E0006620400004542219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <326614.95466.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Curt, Is that an auto start Delco?
I am looking for cash to but one right now.

Thanks for the web page, Arnie.

Alan Bowen

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: I am looking for a source for 32 volt light bulbs for my Delco light plant.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 15:02:51 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:02:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <326614.95466.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Guys,
  What are you doing for batteries for the 32 volt system? I also got one and have had it for several years but never run it.
  Ron

Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  Hi Curt, Is that an auto start Delco?
I am looking for cash to but one right now.

Thanks for the web page, Arnie.

Alan Bowen

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: I am looking for a source for 32 volt light bulbs for my Delco light plant.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
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From JR504 at aol.com  Tue Jul 31 15:20:54 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:20:54 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
Message-ID: <d2b.116f930f.33e10fc6@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/31/2007 6:03:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ron217_2000 at yahoo.com writes:

Hi  Guys,
What are you doing for batteries for the 32 volt system? I  also got one and 
have had it for several years but never run it.
Ron



Just run three 12V batteries.  It's no problem.  Delcos can  make over 48V 
wthout a problem, so making them charge 37.8 volts is fine(12.6 X  3).  Recently 
I started using 12V Gel Cells, or 12V 7AH AGM batteries  instead of car 
batteries.  They're much cheaper and WAY easier to lug  around.  I keep a volt 
meter on them to make sure they don't  overcharge.  When the voltage climbs I turn 
on my scroll saw for a while  and just run the lights when it dips.
Joe



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul 31 16:06:06 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:06:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0707311902370.52256@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Ron,

I got my Delco light plant from Nels Johnsrud.  He just hooked up three
12-volt batteries and setup a really neat electrical load.  He made three
big fan boxes with 12-volt auto radiator fans.  Plug 'em all in and you've
got a nice load AND a REALLY nice breeze for a hot day at the show.

It works really well.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:

> What are you doing for batteries for the 32 volt system? I also got one
> and have had it for several years but never run it.



From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Tue Jul 31 15:50:07 2007
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:50:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <326614.95466.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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ON my Delco 600 I only ever use 3 2nd hand 12 volt car batteries from the
battery retailer. They never cost me anything and I take them back at the
end of the show and they recycle them. They are good enough to start the
Delco, and I run a load close to the output of the generator, and it runs
for hours as long as I put fuel in it

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost,
Kersey, PA
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 8:03
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant

Hi Guys,
  What are you doing for batteries for the 32 volt system? I also got one
and have had it for several years but never run it.
  Ron



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul 31 15:57:50 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:57:50 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
References: <504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0707311902370.52256@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001501c7d3c6$39f91900$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant


> Hi Ron,
> I got my Delco light plant from Nels Johnsrud.  He just hooked up three
> 12-volt batteries and setup a really neat electrical load.  He made three
> big fan boxes with 12-volt auto radiator fans.  Plug 'em all in and you've
> got a nice load AND a REALLY nice breeze for a hot day at the show.
> It works really well.
> See ya,  Arnie

Hi Arnie, are you still trying to blow up young ladies skirts for your pleasures?
8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv




From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 16:07:30 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:07:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <504395.6456.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <473412.96873.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the battery tips guys. Sure will be nice to be able to use 12 volters. I'll have to give them a try. Will let you know what happens.  
  Ron
o.com> wrote:
  Hi Guys,
What are you doing for batteries for the 32 volt system? I also got one and have had it for several years but never run it.
Ron

Alan Bowen wrote:
Hi Curt, Is that an auto start Delco?
I am looking for cash to but one right now.

Thanks for the web page, Arnie.

Alan Bowen

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: I am looking for a source for 32 volt light bulbs for my Delco light plant.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 16:55:20 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:55:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <473412.96873.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <461612.75323.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

All these replies and not one person says,"Yup, It's an auto-start toy."

The one I am trying to buy is a cool display.
My friend that has been showing it lets it sit in his trailer.
Then he has a cute little power hacksaw with an electric motor belted to it.
He also has a fan and a lamp.
Close inspection would show you that all that it 32 Volt stuff.
Folks come by and ask to see something run and he just tells them to flip the switch.
They flip the switch and nothing happens there, but that engine thing on the trailer is starting,,,,,, Hey, The light is on now,,,, How did that happen???
He doesn't have a 100 Watt light bulb so if they choose to flip the light switch he has a hidden switch for the saw.  He told me the auto start system wants at least 100 Watts to kick in.

What is a good price to offer for this Delco?  It comes with the saw, light, fan, some extra bulbs and one or two more 32 Volt motors.

BTW,,  A couple days ago I was on smokestak  and saw a link about Delco stuff.
That page said to use two 12 Volt batteries and one 8 Volt battery to get 32 Volts.  I still haven't checked out the source mentioned to buy 8 Volt batteries though.

Alan Bowen

"Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks for the battery tips guys. Sure will be nice to be able to use 12 volters. I'll have to give them a try. Will let you know what happens.  
  Ron
o.com> wrote:
  Hi Guys,
What are you doing for batteries for the 32 volt system? I also got one and have had it for several years but never run it.
Ron

Alan Bowen wrote:
Hi Curt, Is that an auto start Delco?
I am looking for cash to but one right now.

Thanks for the web page, Arnie.

Alan Bowen

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: I am looking for a source for 32 volt light bulbs for my Delco light plant.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
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From JR504 at aol.com  Tue Jul 31 18:05:02 2007
From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:05:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
Message-ID: <d30.1158fca0.33e1363e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/31/2007 8:04:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:

That  page said to use two 12 Volt batteries and one 8 Volt battery to get 32 
 Volts.  I still haven't checked out the source mentioned to buy 8 Volt  
batteries though.



The problem with using two 12V + 8V (or 6V) batteries is that it is pretty  
much impossible to find batteries with the same internal resistance.  Same  
goes for using 3 different types of 12V batteries.  You are charging them  in 
series, so if the internal resistance is different the voltage drops  across them 
will all be different.  One battery can overcharge and one not  charge much 
at all.  Even though it might not sound like that's possible,  try measuring 
the voltage across each battery as the light plant is  running.  Let's say the 
light plant is charging 39V.  That's 13V  each.  If the batteries are different 
I've witnessed voltage drops from  10V-17V...one discharging (if it was 
charged) and one being overccharged.  
 
Also, as Arnie mentioned, any 3 identical 12V gadgets can be wired in  series 
and will run quite nicely on a light plant.  
 
Joe



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From ddotto at cableone.net  Tue Jul 31 18:54:27 2007
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:54:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Governor Project
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References: <d30.1158fca0.33e1363e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000101c7d3de$e4e63100$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM>


Hi Everyone

Well it has been pretty quiet lately and I have wanting to post some
pictures of a governor that I made this spring. So here there they are. This
governor is for my eternal 3hp Falk project. I have been pretty busy and
haven't had any time to work on it for a couple of months now.
 
I just keep plugging away at it and maybe I will get it running someday, I
have come a long ways, but when I look at what is left to do I realize that
I may not make it this year.

Oh well.

Dave

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/560101196BNUNui

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA




From reb1952 at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul 31 19:17:47 2007
From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:17:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant
References: <d30.1158fca0.33e1363e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c7d3e2$276468f0$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F>

Most farm supplies around here have 8 volt batteries, lot of folks replace 6
volts with the 8 volts on old tractors and cars.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JR504 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 32volt Delco light plant


>
> In a message dated 7/31/2007 8:04:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:
>
> That  page said to use two 12 Volt batteries and one 8 Volt battery to get
32
>  Volts.  I still haven't checked out the source mentioned to buy 8 Volt
> batteries though.
>
>
>
> The problem with using two 12V + 8V (or 6V) batteries is that it is pretty
> much impossible to find batteries with the same internal resistance.  Same
> goes for using 3 different types of 12V batteries.  You are charging them
in
> series, so if the internal resistance is different the voltage drops
across them
> will all be different.  One battery can overcharge and one not  charge
much
> at all.  Even though it might not sound like that's possible,  try
measuring
> the voltage across each battery as the light plant is  running.  Let's say
the
> light plant is charging 39V.  That's 13V  each.  If the batteries are
different
> I've witnessed voltage drops from  10V-17V...one discharging (if it was
> charged) and one being overccharged.
>
> Also, as Arnie mentioned, any 3 identical 12V gadgets can be wired in
series
> and will run quite nicely on a light plant.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
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From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Tue Jul 31 20:32:39 2007
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:32:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Governor Project
In-Reply-To: <000101c7d3de$e4e63100$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM>
References: <d30.1158fca0.33e1363e@aol.com>
	<000101c7d3de$e4e63100$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <000601c7d3ec$9cf08720$020ba8c0@Waynexp>

Greetings Dave,

The governor is absolutely beautiful! You do very nice work and I enjoyed
looking at the different steps you took in the process. If I'm going through
Boise on my way to Lauren's sometime I would like to stop and visit. Keep us
posted on the progress.

Wayne A Thackery
Keizer, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Otto
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Governor Project


Hi Everyone

Well it has been pretty quiet lately and I have wanting to post some
pictures of a governor that I made this spring. So here there they are. This
governor is for my eternal 3hp Falk project. I have been pretty busy and
haven't had any time to work on it for a couple of months now.
 
I just keep plugging away at it and maybe I will get it running someday, I
have come a long ways, but when I look at what is left to do I realize that
I may not make it this year.

Oh well.

Dave

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/560101196BNUNui

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA


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