From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Jan 1 07:03:19 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 07:03:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20070101120323.6DEC5228360@md5.pennswoods.net> HAPPY NEW YEAR From avanti_64 at juno.com Mon Jan 1 06:11:27 2007 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:11:27 GMT Subject: [SEL] Happy New year Message-ID: <20070101.061150.29020.1057932@webmail43.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Mon Jan 1 08:14:10 2007 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (James Hardman) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:14:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] eBay Jollies? Message-ID: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> Regarding the magneto trip, I have been in touch with the seller, a man I have dealt with before. I offered my congratulations and well wishes, every now and then two bidders lose perspective and that this was "his day in the sun". He's not too happy. The sunshine didn't last too long. The high bidder is a newbie and has tendered his regrets, saying he screwed up and wants out... he says didn't realize the magnitude of his bid. The seller, as Edd suggests, is straight up, a good eBay vendor... and he realizes he is facing hassle over the eBay invoice. All that glitters is not gold. Best wishes to all for a Happy New Year! Jim From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 1 09:15:29 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:15:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] eBay Jollies? In-Reply-To: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> References: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070101115628.02f5e6b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Better Check the Ebays records on this one, Wrong BUZZZZZ the so called newbie is not a newbie. They joined in 2001 and regularly bids on engine parts and other items. Look up the so called newbies history and info. And the back bidder has been a bidder since 2002 and regularly bids on engine items. The back bidder placed their bid on the 25th and winner on the 30th. The facts have still not been revealed. Don't forget TWO people had to bid rediculous for this to have happened. Someone is not revealing the truth. The seller can get his money back from Ebay if the buyer does not follow thru without a problem all they have to do is Buyer and Seller mutually agree to void the sale. TTYL, Mark At 11:14 AM 1/1/07, you wrote: >Regarding the magneto trip, I have been in touch with the seller, a man I >have dealt with before. I offered my congratulations and well wishes, >every now and then two bidders lose perspective and that this was "his day >in the sun". He's not too happy. The sunshine didn't last too long. The >high bidder is a newbie and has tendered his regrets, saying he screwed up >and wants out... he says didn't realize the magnitude of his bid. The >seller, as Edd suggests, is straight up, a good eBay vendor... and he >realizes he is facing hassle over the eBay invoice. All that glitters is >not gold. > >Best wishes to all for a Happy New Year! Jim >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 08:48:35 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:48:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] eBay Jollies? In-Reply-To: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> References: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> Message-ID: <6f6025160701010848p6058dbd7hed3a7932262b1cd8@mail.gmail.com> On 01/01/07, James Hardman wrote: > Regarding the magneto trip, I have been in touch with the seller, a man I have dealt with before. I offered my congratulations and well wishes, every now and then two bidders lose perspective and that this was "his day in the sun". He's not too happy. The sunshine didn't last too long. The high bidder is a newbie and has tendered his regrets, saying he screwed up and wants out... he says didn't realize the magnitude of his bid. The seller, as Edd suggests, is straight up, a good eBay vendor... and he realizes he is facing hassle over the eBay invoice. All that glitters is not gold. > > Best wishes to all for a Happy New Year! Jim Some Newbie! Joined June 14th 2001 and has 141 Feedback points at 100% rating. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jan 1 10:07:23 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:07:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] eBay Jollies? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070101115628.02f5e6b0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> <6.2.1.2.1.20070101115628.02f5e6b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1167674843.45994ddbbec9a@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, I'd gotten an email reply from the back bidder. His bid was a screwup. He intended to bid $19.66 and entered $1966 instead. He tried to withdraw it but the eBay system wouldn't allow it. He was very happy when he was finally outbid. 8-)) He's equally baffled at the top bid. I'll wager that the top bidder is using a sniping tool and probably intended to enter a similar $20-ish bid and also screwed it up, entering something like $2000. Naturally the "tool" keeps the bid live since it's gonna be a winner. The poor bastard holding the stinky end of the stick is the seller who has to convince eBay that he's not REALLY gonna get two grand for this mag trip and they're not entitled to big buks in commission. Ahhh, the fun side of eBay. See ya, Arnie Quoting Mark Shulaw : > Better Check the Ebays records on this one, Wrong BUZZZZZ the so called > newbie is not a newbie. They joined in 2001 and regularly bids on engine > parts and other items. Look up the so called newbies history and info. And > the back bidder has been a bidder since 2002 and regularly bids on engine > items. The back bidder placed their bid on the 25th and winner on the 30th. > The facts have still not been revealed. > Don't forget TWO people had to bid rediculous for this to have happened. > Someone is not revealing the truth. > The seller can get his money back from Ebay if the buyer does not follow > thru without a problem all they have to do is Buyer and Seller mutually > agree to void the sale. > TTYL, Mark > > At 11:14 AM 1/1/07, you wrote: > >Regarding the magneto trip, I have been in touch with the seller, a man I > >have dealt with before. I offered my congratulations and well wishes, > >every now and then two bidders lose perspective and that this was "his day > >in the sun". He's not too happy. The sunshine didn't last too long. The > >high bidder is a newbie and has tendered his regrets, saying he screwed up > >and wants out... he says didn't realize the magnitude of his bid. The > >seller, as Edd suggests, is straight up, a good eBay vendor... and he > >realizes he is facing hassle over the eBay invoice. All that glitters is > >not gold. From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 1 16:38:44 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:38:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] eBay Jollies? In-Reply-To: <1167674843.45994ddbbec9a@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> <6.2.1.2.1.20070101115628.02f5e6b0@pop3.wcoil.com> <1167674843.45994ddbbec9a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070101184250.02f6bd70@pop3.wcoil.com> Malarkey. If you mess up a bid like that all you need to do is retract your bid, ebay will even help you do it if its an abvious error bid like $1966. instead of $19.66. He had five days to do this and he didn't ?? Just sat back and hoped that someone would outbid him on a $1966. error bid for a $50. part???? I'm still not buying it. I have some ocean front property here in Ohio for sale. And now If the seller and buyer want to void the sale they can do it, Null and void the sale thru Ebay, the fees are rescinded and the seller relists. Or another alternative is for the sorry buyer to pay the seller his Ebay fees and the buyer relists. TTYL, Mark At 01:07 PM 1/1/07, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I'd gotten an email reply from the back bidder. His bid was a screwup. He >intended to bid $19.66 and entered $1966 instead. He tried to withdraw it but >the eBay system wouldn't allow it. He was very happy when he was finally >outbid. 8-)) He's equally baffled at the top bid. > >I'll wager that the top bidder is using a sniping tool and probably >intended to >enter a similar $20-ish bid and also screwed it up, entering something like >$2000. Naturally the "tool" keeps the bid live since it's gonna be a winner. > >The poor bastard holding the stinky end of the stick is the seller who has to >convince eBay that he's not REALLY gonna get two grand for this mag trip and >they're not entitled to big buks in commission. > >Ahhh, the fun side of eBay. > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Mark Shulaw : > > > Better Check the Ebays records on this one, Wrong BUZZZZZ the so called > > newbie is not a newbie. They joined in 2001 and regularly bids on engine > > parts and other items. Look up the so called newbies history and info. And > > the back bidder has been a bidder since 2002 and regularly bids on engine > > items. The back bidder placed their bid on the 25th and winner on the 30th. > > The facts have still not been revealed. > > Don't forget TWO people had to bid rediculous for this to have happened. > > Someone is not revealing the truth. > > The seller can get his money back from Ebay if the buyer does not follow > > thru without a problem all they have to do is Buyer and Seller mutually > > agree to void the sale. > > TTYL, Mark > > > > At 11:14 AM 1/1/07, you wrote: > > >Regarding the magneto trip, I have been in touch with the seller, a man I > > >have dealt with before. I offered my congratulations and well wishes, > > >every now and then two bidders lose perspective and that this was "his > day > > >in the sun". He's not too happy. The sunshine didn't last too > long. The > > >high bidder is a newbie and has tendered his regrets, saying he > screwed up > > >and wants out... he says didn't realize the magnitude of his bid. The > > >seller, as Edd suggests, is straight up, a good eBay vendor... and he > > >realizes he is facing hassle over the eBay invoice. All that glitters is > > >not gold. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 1 18:33:11 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:33:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hap-pee New Year Message-ID: "Hey Bo I can certainly relate to your situation, I spend all of my time either trying to find my way home or find a place to pee. Paul" Hey, Paul, I've recently started peeing at home, and find that saves a lot of time. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/ From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 1 23:50:00 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:50:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: new year Message-ID: <001a01c72e42$9d30aa80$a297683a@Edd> EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: new year > Happy new year everyone.I didn't crank up any engines at midnight as I > have close neighbours but late in the afternoon of newyears eve I started > up my 3HP Appleton ,2 1/4HP Galoway,3HP air cooled vertical Famous and the > 3 ball gov Alamo and watched them run for half an hour.Early today I gave > my 2 1/4HP Thompson Tiger,#1F/M Eclipse,2HP Sandwich,1HP Titan and 3HP > Field and Brundidge all a 30 min run.Noisy but fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Jan 2 01:09:45 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:09:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: new year References: <001a01c72e42$9d30aa80$a297683a@Edd> Message-ID: <003501c72e4d$c12dc430$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Happy New Year Edd, sounds like you had a great time but why didn't you start the other hundred odd. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Fw: new year > > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edd Payne" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:28 PM > Subject: new year > > >> Happy new year everyone.I didn't crank up any engines at midnight as I >> have close neighbours but late in the afternoon of newyears eve I started >> up my 3HP Appleton ,2 1/4HP Galoway,3HP air cooled vertical Famous and >> the 3 ball gov Alamo and watched them run for half an hour.Early today I >> gave my 2 1/4HP Thompson Tiger,#1F/M Eclipse,2HP Sandwich,1HP Titan and >> 3HP Field and Brundidge all a 30 min run.Noisy but fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 2 02:40:02 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:40:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: new year References: <001a01c72e42$9d30aa80$a297683a@Edd> <003501c72e4d$c12dc430$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <000e01c72e5a$5cb21ee0$a297683a@Edd> Only had 10ltr's of petrol mate.Did my best.Ran the Mogul Jr today and the 4HP Challenge and the F/J big 4 pumper.See how I feel tomorrow may give the 10HP Famous a run. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: new year > Happy New Year Edd, sounds like you had a great time but why didn't you > start the other hundred odd. Cheers Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edd Payne" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:50 PM > Subject: [SEL] Fw: new year > > >> >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Edd Payne" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:28 PM >> Subject: new year >> >> >>> Happy new year everyone.I didn't crank up any engines at midnight as I >>> have close neighbours but late in the afternoon of newyears eve I >>> started up my 3HP Appleton ,2 1/4HP Galoway,3HP air cooled vertical >>> Famous and the 3 ball gov Alamo and watched them run for half an >>> hour.Early today I gave my 2 1/4HP Thompson Tiger,#1F/M Eclipse,2HP >>> Sandwich,1HP Titan and 3HP Field and Brundidge all a 30 min run.Noisy >>> but fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 1 04:28:51 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:28:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] new year Message-ID: <002301c72da0$65d08490$a297683a@Edd> Happy new year everyone.I didn't crank up any engines at midnight as I have close neighbours but late in the afternoon of newyears eve I started up my 3HP Appleton ,2 1/4HP Galoway,3HP air cooled vertical Famous and the 3 ball gov Alamo and watched them run for half an hour.Early today I gave my 2 1/4HP Thompson Tiger,#1F/M Eclipse,2HP Sandwich,1HP Titan and 3HP Field and Brundidge all a 30 min run.Noisy but fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 2 04:25:49 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:25:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Hot bulb question Message-ID: <20070102150293.SM01908@new.databak.co.za> Hi All, Happy New year to you all. Recently I downloaded some .pdf files that I think were mentioned on one of the lists. They were scans of an old book explaining how the timing is done on a hotbulb. The files were called to . I've unfortunately managed to corrupt these files and would like to download them again. Does anyone know whose site they were on ? At the same time can anyone explain how to do a "file search" with Google. Thanks and have a great year. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 22:45:06 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 06:45:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] eBay Jollies? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070101184250.02f6bd70@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> <6.2.1.2.1.20070101115628.02f5e6b0@pop3.wcoil.com> <1167674843.45994ddbbec9a@webmail.city-net.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070101184250.02f6bd70@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160701012245n726b0ed9r5eaee069c1dbae0f@mail.gmail.com> On 02/01/07, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Malarkey. If you mess up a bid like that all you need to do is retract your > bid, ebay will even help you do it if its an abvious error bid like $1966. > instead of $19.66. He had five days to do this and he didn't ?? Just sat > back and hoped that someone would outbid him on a $1966. error bid for a > $50. part???? I'm still not buying it. I have some ocean front property > here in Ohio for sale. > And now If the seller and buyer want to void the sale they can do it, > Null and void the sale thru Ebay, the fees are rescinded and the seller > relists. Or another alternative is for the sorry buyer to pay the seller > his Ebay fees and the buyer relists. > TTYL, Mark > > http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34651 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Jan 2 08:44:13 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:44:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hot bulb question In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070102142514.00a8d498@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, They are on Curt Holland's site some where. Here are the links: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/HotBulbInfo/engine1.pdf http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/HotBulbInfo/engine2.pdf http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/HotBulbInfo/engine3.pdf Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= >From: Jerry Evans > >Hi All, > Happy New year to you all. > > Recently I downloaded some .pdf files that I think were mentioned >on one of the lists. > They were scans of an old book explaining how the timing is done >on a hotbulb. The files were called to . I've >unfortunately managed to corrupt these files and would like to download >them again. > Does anyone know whose site they were on ? > > At the same time can anyone explain how to do a "file search" with >Google. > > Thanks and have a great year. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Tel. (016) 365-5787 >Cell: 083 293 7191 >Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >www.oldengine.org/members/evans _________________________________________________________________ Your Hotmail address already works to sign into Windows Live Messenger! Get it now http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 2 12:55:21 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:55:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Hot bulb question In-Reply-To: <200701021700.l02H05CA023042@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070102224017.00afcf80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 02/01/2007, you wrote: >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Hot bulb question >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Hi Jerry, >They are on Curt Holland's site some where. >Luke Tonneberger Thanks Luke, That's them - Curt also responded on the oldengine list. Just another reason why these lists are so helpful. I do not even own a hotbulb engine but this information is always worth learning. In my "neck of the woods" a lot of the older collectors do not have internet connections and I save all these things for them (and myself - earns me "brownie points" when I can print them out and give them a copy - often means that another old piece of rust finds a new home at my place.) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From yostsw at atis.net Tue Jan 2 19:49:32 2007 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:49:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Important paytment instructions as promised References: <200612131031450328.0CECDD56@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612152000010578.1941FFF5@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612182126460359.0E38EAC4@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612212141530234.0A65A7AA@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612222221460921.0FB0ACBC@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612231010200359.123960DA@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612250843070062.1C3664DC@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612272256190078.0AD5877F@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701022249320125.29B5D583@heavyiron.atis.net> $2700+!!! What can I say but "THANK YOU" The involvement and results have been outstanding this year - Thanks! You folks have risen to the occasion and I am indeed grateful. There is still lots of bidding left, but here is the payment information for your auction items: A: PayPal Simply add up all your items and pay to my business' PayPal account - spencer.yost at sundance-consulting.com. PLACE YOUR AUCTION ITEMS' NUMBERS in the payment instruction box please if you don't mind. At the very least, put your auction alias in the instruction so I know how to credit the payment. To save me money, it would help if you designate your funding source as your PayPal bank account instead of a credit card. Either is fine though. BTW, this is a great option for the overseas folks. B: Credit Card: Again, easiest through PayPal if you have it, but I can accept them directly if you prefer. Simply drop me an email at spencer.yost at sundance-consulting.com with your evening home phone number and preferred calling times and I'll call you and get the credit card information. While I'm sure you don't need the following warning, I feel remiss unless I say it: DON NOT SEND CREDIT CARD INFO in the email. I'll make sure I have all the right items during the phone call. C: Check As usual, Check is fine. Please your alias or your auction items numbers in with the check please. Simply make it out to my business or to me personally, whatever you are most comfortable with: Sundance Holdings, Inc (or Spencer Yost) 3160 MacBrandon Ln Pfafftown, NC 27040 Feel free to email me with any questions, and thanks again for everyone's participation, Take care! Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 3 02:31:51 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:31:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 Message-ID: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a@fred> We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. of eng going on webshots if anyone interested Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 3 03:16:53 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:16:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 In-Reply-To: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a@fred> References: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070103221600.01bfb008@ncable.com.au> A good effort Brian, I wish I had the time available to speed up some of my restos; well done. Russell At 09:31 PM 3/01/2007, you wrote: >We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. >of eng going on webshots if anyone interested >Brian and David Watts >Melbourne >Australia >(03)97266147 >http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat >briwatt at optusnet.com.au >Web Site > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Wed Jan 3 12:31:28 2007 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 14:31:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 References: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <000e01c72f76$261b2cb0$fce2b748@mycomputer> I wish i were there upon first firing of that old beauty.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. of eng going on webshots if anyone interested Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sumron at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 3 13:23:54 2007 From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (Gilbert) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:23:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 References: <200701031700.l03H049D007177@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <001201c72f7d$79cc7b50$bad5eedc@userecaf7b7be7> Yes Brian That was a great effort in such a short time, Russ, is right, HE NEEDS someone like you to spend a bit of a holliday at his place for a few weeks, Happy New Year. John. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:00 AM Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Hot bulb question (Jerry Evans) > 2. Holiday Charity Auction - Important paytment instructions as > promised (Spencer Yost) > 3. Clutterbuck No.747 (Brian Watts) > 4. Re: Clutterbuck No.747 (Russell Gilbert) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:55:21 +0200 > From: Jerry Evans > Subject: RE: [SEL] Hot bulb question > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070102224017.00afcf80 at mail.cyberserv.co.za> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; > x-avg-checked=avg-ok-9387D0B > > At 07:00 PM 02/01/2007, you wrote: >>From: "Luke Tonneberger" >>Subject: RE: [SEL] Hot bulb question >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Hi Jerry, >>They are on Curt Holland's site some where. >>Luke Tonneberger > > Thanks Luke, > That's them - Curt also responded on the oldengine list. > > Just another reason why these lists are so helpful. > > I do not even own a hotbulb engine but this information is always > worth learning. > > In my "neck of the woods" a lot of the older collectors do not > have internet connections and I save all these things for them (and myself > - earns me "brownie points" when I can print them out and give them a copy > - often means that another old piece of rust finds a new home at my > place.) > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:49:32 -0500 > From: "Spencer Yost" > Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Important paytment > instructions as promised > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, > ford-ferguson at lists.antique-tractor.com, > farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com, > antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com > Message-ID: <200701022249320125.29B5D583 at heavyiron.atis.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > $2700+!!! What can I say but "THANK YOU" The involvement and results > have been outstanding this year - Thanks! You folks have risen to the > occasion and I am indeed grateful. There is still lots of bidding left, > but here is the payment information for your auction items: > > A: PayPal Simply add up all your items and pay to my business' PayPal > account - spencer.yost at sundance-consulting.com. PLACE YOUR AUCTION ITEMS' > NUMBERS in the payment instruction box please if you don't mind. At the > very least, put your auction alias in the instruction so I know how to > credit the payment. To save me money, it would help if you > designate > your funding source as your PayPal bank account instead of a credit card. > Either is fine though. BTW, this is a great option for the overseas > folks. > > > B: Credit Card: Again, easiest through PayPal if you have it, but I can > accept them directly if you prefer. Simply drop me an email at > spencer.yost at sundance-consulting.com with your evening home phone number > and preferred calling times and I'll call you and get the credit card > information. While I'm sure you don't need the following warning, I feel > remiss unless I say it: DON NOT SEND CREDIT CARD INFO in the email. I'll > make sure I have all the right items during the phone call. > > C: Check As usual, Check is fine. Please your alias or your auction > items numbers in with the check please. Simply make it out to my business > or to me personally, whatever you are most comfortable with: > > Sundance Holdings, Inc (or Spencer Yost) > 3160 MacBrandon Ln > Pfafftown, NC 27040 > > Feel free to email me with any questions, and thanks again for everyone's > participation, > > Take care! > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:31:51 +1100 > From: "Brian Watts" > Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Message-ID: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a at fred> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. of > eng going on webshots if anyone interested > Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03)97266147 > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > Web Site > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:16:53 +1100 > From: Russell Gilbert > Subject: Re: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070103221600.01bfb008 at ncable.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > A good effort Brian, I wish I had the time available to speed up some > of my restos; well done. > Russell > > > At 09:31 PM 3/01/2007, you wrote: >>We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. >>of eng going on webshots if anyone interested >>Brian and David Watts >>Melbourne >>Australia >>(03)97266147 >>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat >>briwatt at optusnet.com.au >>Web Site >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > End of SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 > ********************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 > From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 3 12:40:28 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:40:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <200701031700.l03H049G007177@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701032325781.SM01888@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 03/01/2007, you wrote: >From: "Spencer Yost" >Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction Hi Spencer and all the Guys (and Gals) on the list, Well done. This is the first time I've participated and I gotta tell you all that I've loved the experience. I met new friends, heard from old friends and ran up my telephone account just by logging on (more than usual) to see how the Auction was going. My first 3 items have closed and as soon as I've mailed this letter I will respond to the winners. (Hey Guys, Thanks for the great response to the brass engine spec. plates I offered - I'll make them with EXTRA love and attention). I also know that a few of you responded and lost on the auction - we can talk about it - if you want a plate and were one of the bidders then we can talk (after the last one closes) and agree to a price, which MUST include a donation to Spencer's auction. O.K. Gotta go now and write to those winning bidders. Keep well, all of you ! May the New Year bring lots of old rusty things to your front door. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From avanti_64 at juno.com Wed Jan 3 14:02:54 2007 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:02:54 GMT Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 Message-ID: <20070103.140335.808.960509@webmail07.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 3 17:09:45 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:09:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover Message-ID: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY> I am looking for a crank for my 5 HP Vertical Stover Model C. The crankshaft is 2" and here is a picture of the crankshaft out of a Stover Parts List: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCrank.jpg Please let me know if you have one you will sell or know of someone who does. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 3 17:20:41 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:20:41 -0600 Subject: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover References: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <00d101c72f9e$8da9c440$240110ac@FAMILY> Meant to say Crank, not crankshaft. I need a hand crank for the engine. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover I am looking for a crank for my 5 HP Vertical Stover Model C. The crankshaft is 2" and here is a picture of the crankshaft out of a Stover Parts List: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCrank.jpg Please let me know if you have one you will sell or know of someone who does. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 3 17:36:56 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:36:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 In-Reply-To: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <20070104013700.SGGC5563.oaamta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Great stuff. Another lovely engine returned to life :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. of eng going on webshots if anyone interested Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 3 17:39:35 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:39:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine progress Message-ID: <20070104013937.KLQK5409.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I got some more work done on the bits for my 4hp Blackstone on the weekend: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/blackstonemain.html I also had the parts I needed for the Wizard magneto on my 4hp R&V arrive from Mitch Malcolm in the USA. They are exactly what I needed :) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv4hprline.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 3 17:52:27 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:52:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine progress References: <20070104013937.KLQK5409.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <00e301c72fa2$fdba4940$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Patrick for posting the pictures of your work on the Blackstone, you are to be commended for taking on a challenge such as this. I cannot wait to see it all finished and running. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine progress >I got some more work done on the bits for my 4hp Blackstone on the weekend: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/blackstonemain.html > > I also had the parts I needed for the Wizard magneto on my 4hp R&V arrive > from Mitch Malcolm in the USA. They are exactly what I needed :) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv4hprline.html > > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jan 3 19:13:31 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:13:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover References: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000a01c72fae$5072bc20$336d4b47@mikecomp> Worst mistake you will ever make. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover I am looking for a crank for my 5 HP Vertical Stover Model C. The crankshaft is 2" and here is a picture of the crankshaft out of a Stover Parts List: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCrank.jpg Please let me know if you have one you will sell or know of someone who does. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jan 3 19:16:59 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:16:59 -0500 Subject: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover References: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY> <00d101c72f9e$8da9c440$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <002701c72fae$cc59f150$336d4b47@mikecomp> No you don't. There is absolutely no need for a hand crank for that engine. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:20 PM Subject: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > Meant to say Crank, not crankshaft. I need a hand crank for the engine. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:09 PM > Subject: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > > > I am looking for a crank for my 5 HP Vertical Stover Model C. The > crankshaft is 2" and here is a picture of the crankshaft out of a Stover > Parts List: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCrank.jpg > > Please let me know if you have one you will sell or know of someone who > does. > > Thanks, > > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rodb1545 at charter.net Wed Jan 3 19:38:59 2007 From: rodb1545 at charter.net (Rodney Beal) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:38:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] F/M Z D Message-ID: <029001c72fb1$dea1c8d0$6501a8c0@rodneyultra> I have been on the list for a good while and enjoy all the info. I need some help, I opened up my Fairbanks Morse Type Z style D to clean it up and try to get it running. When I got it apart I found that the governor weights were both broken. It looks as if they are made from pot metal and the years of sitting in the barn had taken there toll. I am kind of new at this and don't know all the avenues for parts. Are these available or am I going to have to look for parts engines until I find a good set. Thanks for any help and keep the info flowing. Rodney Beal Maiden NC rodb1545 at charter.net From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 3 20:11:52 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:11:52 -0600 Subject: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover References: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY><00d101c72f9e$8da9c440$240110ac@FAMILY> <002701c72fae$cc59f150$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <015c01c72fb6$779c16e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Mike how are you ye old scoundrel? You are probably right. The only time I ever used a crank was on a 3 HP Fairbanks Morse and I just had the thing setting on a workbench with a clamp on it and I cranked it and it busted off and the darn crank stayed on the shaft and was spinning like a prop on a ME109. Scared the Betsy bugs of be and like to have brained me. The engine finally fell off of the bench and stopped. I am making sure that all of the pivot point bushings on the igniter trip linkage are good and tight so that I can get a good set on the timing and it will stay there. The engine has new rings, new wrist pin bushing, new valve stems and springs, the valves have been ground and lapped in, the igniter was rebuilt by Ted before he passed away so it is basically a new igniter. A new Fuel Saver arm has been machined for the head. I know that with all of the new parts and bushings it will be tight to start with and I figure I may need a crank to get it spinning even with the exhaust valve held open until I can get it spinning. The fuel pump has been rebuilt with a new plunger being made, new spring, new check balls and new Teflon packing so it should be good to go. I will start putting it all back together next week and hopefully before long I can announce to all that "she lives" again and hopefully can bring it to Portland this year. I have not been in the last three years and hope to make it this year. How is the Model T running? Missed your family Christmas card this year. Good to hear from you, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > No you don't. There is absolutely no need for a hand crank for that > engine. From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Jan 3 21:38:32 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:38:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] F/M Z D Message-ID: <20070103.213832.536.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rodney. Hit & Miss has them for $14.75 each. Also you can check Ebay. Those engines are quite common, I am sure someone on the list has some spare parts also. Good luck with your engine. I have a couple of them, not much to look at but good runners. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:38:59 -0500 "Rodney Beal" writes: > I have been on the list for a good while and enjoy all the info. I > need some help, I opened up my Fairbanks Morse Type Z style D to > clean it up and try to get it running. When I got it apart I found > that the governor weights were both broken. It looks as if they are > made from pot metal and the years of sitting in the barn had taken > there toll. I am kind of new at this and don't know all the avenues > for parts. Are these available or am I going to have to look for > parts engines until I find a good set. > Thanks for any help and keep the info flowing. > > Rodney Beal > Maiden NC > rodb1545 at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jan 3 21:52:52 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:52:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine progress References: <20070104013937.KLQK5409.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002701c72fc4$c5de3c80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A while back, I pointed Cam in the direction of Mitch. His stuff aint the cheapest but, he sure delivers what you asked for. Works out best in the long run. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine progress >I got some more work done on the bits for my 4hp Blackstone on the weekend: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/blackstonemain.html > > I also had the parts I needed for the Wizard magneto on my 4hp R&V arrive > from Mitch Malcolm in the USA. They are exactly what I needed :) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv4hprline.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Jan 4 03:49:46 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 06:49:46 -0500 Subject: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover References: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY> <00d101c72f9e$8da9c440$240110ac@FAMILY> <002701c72fae$cc59f150$336d4b47@mikecomp> <015c01c72fb6$779c16e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <001201c72ff6$6ecf7b20$336d4b47@mikecomp> Your example of the crank story is exactly why I avoid cranks. Seen too many bad examples of scars and missing teeth due to cranks. You should be able to bust yours off without spinning it. The T is good, adjusting the bearings and putting in rings currently. Can't wait to see your stover up and running. Plus you have the comfort of knowing I will come get it if it won't run!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:11 PM Subject: Re: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > Hey Mike how are you ye old scoundrel? You are probably right. > > The only time I ever used a crank was on a 3 HP Fairbanks Morse and I just > had the thing setting on a workbench with a clamp on it and I cranked it > and it busted off and the darn crank stayed on the shaft and was spinning > like a prop on a ME109. Scared the Betsy bugs of be and like to have > brained me. The engine finally fell off of the bench and stopped. > > I am making sure that all of the pivot point bushings on the igniter trip > linkage are good and tight so that I can get a good set on the timing and > it will stay there. The engine has new rings, new wrist pin bushing, new > valve stems and springs, the valves have been ground and lapped in, the > igniter was rebuilt by Ted before he passed away so it is basically a new > igniter. A new Fuel Saver arm has been machined for the head. I know that > with all of the new parts and bushings it will be tight to start with and > I figure I may need a crank to get it spinning even with the exhaust valve > held open until I can get it spinning. The fuel pump has been rebuilt with > a new plunger being made, new spring, new check balls and new Teflon > packing so it should be good to go. > > I will start putting it all back together next week and hopefully before > long I can announce to all that "she lives" again and hopefully can bring > it to Portland this year. I have not been in the last three years and hope > to make it this year. > > How is the Model T running? Missed your family Christmas card this year. > > Good to hear from you, > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Royster" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:16 PM > Subject: Re: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > > >> No you don't. There is absolutely no need for a hand crank for that >> engine. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 4 06:06:45 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:06:45 -0500 Subject: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover References: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY><00d101c72f9e$8da9c440$240110ac@FAMILY><002701c72fae$cc59f150$336d4b47@mikecomp><015c01c72fb6$779c16e0$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c72ff6$6ecf7b20$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <004501c73009$91a61c90$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> I remember that story. I showed it to Betty and she couldn't believe that some body would do something like that. Amazing. I'll bet if you get an engine crank and throw it around a room full of pepole, you will eventyally conk some one with it.:---) Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:49 AM Subject: Re: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > Your example of the crank story is exactly why I avoid cranks. Seen too > many bad examples of scars and missing teeth due to cranks. You should be > able to bust yours off without spinning it. The T is good, adjusting the > bearings and putting in rings currently. > Can't wait to see your stover up and running. Plus you have the comfort > of knowing I will come get it if it won't run!!!! > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > > >> Hey Mike how are you ye old scoundrel? You are probably right. >> >> The only time I ever used a crank was on a 3 HP Fairbanks Morse and I >> just > > >> had the thing setting on a workbench with a clamp on it and I cranked it >> and it busted off and the darn crank stayed on the shaft and was spinning >> like a prop on a ME109. Scared the Betsy bugs of be and like to have >> brained me. The engine finally fell off of the bench and stopped. >> >> I am making sure that all of the pivot point bushings on the igniter trip >> linkage are good and tight so that I can get a good set on the timing and >> it will stay there. The engine has new rings, new wrist pin bushing, new >> valve stems and springs, the valves have been ground and lapped in, the >> igniter was rebuilt by Ted before he passed away so it is basically a new >> igniter. A new Fuel Saver arm has been machined for the head. I know that >> with all of the new parts and bushings it will be tight to start with and >> I figure I may need a crank to get it spinning even with the exhaust >> valve held open until I can get it spinning. The fuel pump has been >> rebuilt with a new plunger being made, new spring, new check balls and >> new Teflon packing so it should be good to go. >> >> I will start putting it all back together next week and hopefully before >> long I can announce to all that "she lives" again and hopefully can bring >> it to Portland this year. I have not been in the last three years and >> hope to make it this year. >> >> How is the Model T running? Missed your family Christmas card this year. >> >> Good to hear from you, >> >> Paul >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Royster" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:16 PM >> Subject: Re: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover >> >> >>> No you don't. There is absolutely no need for a hand crank for that >>> engine. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 > > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jan 4 11:00:00 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:00:00 EST Subject: [SEL] Engine progress Message-ID: In a message dated 1/4/2007 1:13:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: I pointed Cam in the direction of Mitch. His stuff aint the cheapest but, he sure delivers what you asked for. Have had several mags rebuilt by him and they have continued to produce great spark for many years now. Good to throw a pitch in for the engine service folks once in a while! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From mogul460 at localnet.com Thu Jan 4 14:32:29 2007 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:32:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Engine Friend Passes On Message-ID: <001701c73050$38389e20$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> This message was previously posted It is with great sadness a personal friend, Clarence Swartout of St. Peters, MO, passed away this morning. Clarence was an avid engine collector and member of the The ILL-MO Tractor and Engine Club. He hardly ever missed a Portland, IN swap meet or show. Clarence was 85 years old and I would say had collected engines for over 30 years. He was known to many in the "Engine World". [ From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Jan 4 01:53:28 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:53:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 References: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <00f001c72fe6$307e8510$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Well done Brian, a beautiful engine and it didn't take you long either. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. of eng going on webshots if anyone interested Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 4 17:52:46 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 19:52:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair Message-ID: <00c801c7306c$32fb4e00$240110ac@FAMILY> I need some advice on the best way to build back up a worn area on my Stover Fuel Pump Actuator arm. Take a close look at the picture below and if you look closely you will see a flat area that is worn on the arm. I want to build this back up and was wondering the best way to do it..brazing, welding, metal spray, metal epoxy,etc: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuild348GPL.jpg Thanks for the help. Paul From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Jan 4 18:17:33 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:17:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair References: <00c801c7306c$32fb4e00$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <006701c7306f$a9e13400$f4d14c0c@D48VHZ61> I had to build up couple of the rocker arms on my Titan tractor. I welded them with nickel rod and then belt sanded them back to shape. Best I can recall I didn't bother to preheat since there wasn't any cracks and since the area was so small I wan't generating a lot of heat. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair I need some advice on the best way to build back up a worn area on my Stover Fuel Pump Actuator arm. Take a close look at the picture below and if you look closely you will see a flat area that is worn on the arm. I want to build this back up and was wondering the best way to do it..brazing, welding, metal spray, metal epoxy,etc: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuild348GPL.jpg Thanks for the help. Paul From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Jan 4 18:41:04 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:41:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair Message-ID: <20070104.214108.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi PAul. Maybe I'm wrong but the worn area I see doesn't seem to be that bad. Is it causing a problem with pumping ? If not, I would leave it alone. Not being a great welder - but, a pretty good brazer, I would braze it with OxyAcetyline and grind it to size. Just my opinion. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 4 18:58:16 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:58:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair References: <20070104.214108.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00e101c73075$5990b0b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Joe you are probably correct in suggesting that I leave it alone but since I have went this far I thought if there was a fairly simple way of getting to it back to it's original dimension I would, otherwise I will leave it alone. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair > Hi PAul. > > Maybe I'm wrong but the worn area I see doesn't seem to be that bad. > > Is it causing a problem with pumping ? > > If not, I would leave it alone. > > Not being a great welder - but, a pretty good brazer, I would braze it > with OxyAcetyline > and grind it to size. > > Just my opinion. > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 4 18:59:03 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:59:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair References: <00c801c7306c$32fb4e00$240110ac@FAMILY> <006701c7306f$a9e13400$f4d14c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <00e601c73075$75b806d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks John, I am certainly no welder but know a couple of guys who are but messing with this old cast is always a gamble at best. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair >I had to build up couple of the rocker arms on my Titan tractor. I welded >them with nickel rod and then belt sanded them back to shape. Best I can >recall I didn't bother to preheat since there wasn't any cracks and since >the area was so small I wan't generating a lot of heat. > > John Hall > From jbcast at charter.net Thu Jan 4 20:16:57 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:16:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair Message-ID: <1447022408.1167970617609.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Paul, I would either leave it alone or take a file and reshape it a little, doesn't seem to be enough wear to cause a problem. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 5 01:18:24 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:18:24 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair In-Reply-To: <1447022408.1167970617609.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <5jlpn2$2e51bk@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> Paul you could take it to a shop with a puffer torch and build it back up with cast iron for a mickey mouse job. Building it up with bronze is easy as well. Both methods are risk free. The nickel rod would be OK to but you may get a little porosity depending on what the base cast is like Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jbcast at charter.net Sent: Friday, 5 January 2007 1:17 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair Paul, I would either leave it alone or take a file and reshape it a little, doesn't seem to be enough wear to cause a problem. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Jan 5 07:16:08 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:16:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another Engine Friend Passes On In-Reply-To: <001701c73050$38389e20$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <001701c73050$38389e20$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070105100918.02f7a690@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Charlie, My condolences to you and please pass my regrets on to his family. Do you have a picture of him at Portland to post? I don't remember him by name but I might recognize him by his photo. Did he have a place he usualy set up there? Sincerely, Mark At 05:32 PM 1/4/07, you wrote: >This message was previously posted > >It is with great sadness a personal friend, Clarence Swartout of St. >Peters, MO, passed away this morning. Clarence was an avid >engine collector and member of the The ILL-MO Tractor and >Engine Club. He hardly ever missed a Portland, IN swap meet or show. >Clarence was 85 years old and I would say had collected >engines for over 30 years. He was known to many in the "Engine >World". Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From edurand at cybertron.com Fri Jan 5 11:16:36 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:16:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair In-Reply-To: <00c801c7306c$32fb4e00$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Paul: I'm with the rest of the guys. If it doesn't interfere with the pumping, it doesn't look bad enough to bother with. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 07:53 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair > > > I need some advice on the best way to build back > up a worn area on my Stover Fuel Pump Actuator > arm. From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 5 23:39:35 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:39:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] John Grant - confirm address. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070106093428.00af98d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi List, Does anyone know John Grant? He won the decals on the auction but my mail (using the address supplied by the auctioneers) came back with the following error message: If anyone can give me a correct address I would be grateful. John, if you read this, please reply to me off list so that I can confirm your Postal address. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 6 07:24:48 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:24:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oilfield Engine Cart Message-ID: <1168097088.459fbf40c2105@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Luke Tonneberger started this thread with questions about putting his 15 hp Reid on wheels. This year at Portland I saw what I feel is the slickest oilfield engine cart ever. Stan Ellerbeck has a lovely Bessemer half-breed that is about the slowest, smoothest running that I've ever seen. You'd almost swear he's got a hidden electric motor and a turning gear. 8-)) He put that Bessemer on a cart that he built using house moving wheels. Damn things are MASSIVE. The whole rig looks fantastic. I put up two pictures here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Heavy_Cart/Front.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Heavy_Cart/Side.jpg I left them full size so that you can download them and zoom in on details if desired. I think he said the cart weighs more than the engine!! Stan's contact info is: 816-637-0559 and decimal-point at mchsi.com Enjoy! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 6 11:03:15 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 13:03:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stan Ellerbeck's cart Message-ID: "He put that Bessemer on a cart that he built using house moving wheels. Damn things are MASSIVE. The whole rig looks fantastic. I put up two pictures here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Heavy_Cart/Front.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Heavy_Cart/Side.jpg" Arnie, that thing is just gorgeous! It is so in scale; it just looks right. What a thing to see - it is evident Mr Ellerbeck is a man of precision. Even the oilers are filled to the same level. The CLEAN oilers... Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ >From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes has it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline1 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 6 13:33:15 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:33:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stan Ellerbeck's cart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1168119195.45a0159b07baf@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Bruce, Yeah, Stan does really fine work. The "rightness" of that engine on the cart is the second thing that grabbed me. The first thing was the MASSIVE wheels. 8-)) He's also a really interesting guy to talk to. The way he's tweaked that Bessemer, it wouldn't be able to do significant work, but by damn, it sure does run sweet and SLOW!! I hope he brings it to Portland again. I do love to watch it run. See ya, Arnie Quoting Bruce Younger : > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Heavy_Cart/Front.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Heavy_Cart/Side.jpg" > > Arnie, that thing is just gorgeous! It is so in scale; it just looks right. > What a thing to see - it is evident Mr Ellerbeck is a man of precision. > Even the oilers are filled to the same level. The CLEAN oilers... From christison at coastalnet.com Sat Jan 6 15:51:47 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 18:51:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bates and Edmunds Bulllpup info needed Message-ID: <410-22007166235147593@coastalnet.com> Does anybody on the list have, or know of, a Bates and Edmonds 'Bullpup'? I got a query today from someone in the UK who needs ignitor info and all I have is a picture from the wrong side. Please contact me off list at; christison at coastalnet.com if you can help. Take care. Ken From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Sun Jan 7 02:19:52 2007 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 21:19:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made Message-ID: <001c01c73245$5f6a4240$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi, can anyone help me please with a contact name/email address for the guy who I am told has taken over Ted Brookovers Ignitor making work. I need one for my Olds. Pics of this engine on my webshops - work on pattern making etc. underway, but the ignitor is probably beyond my skill level at the the moment, particularly as I only have photos to go on from a similar engine at Coolsprings. Thanks!! Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jan 7 03:47:54 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 22:47:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made References: <001c01c73245$5f6a4240$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <000601c73251$b2b53bb0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> ContactBrookover, Jennifer E-mail Address(es): ignitors at sbcglobal.net Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made Hi, can anyone help me please with a contact name/email address for the guy who I am told has taken over Ted Brookovers Ignitor making work. I need one for my Olds. Pics of this engine on my webshops - work on pattern making etc. underway, but the ignitor is probably beyond my skill level at the the moment, particularly as I only have photos to go on from a similar engine at Coolsprings. Thanks!! Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 7 04:05:42 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 05:05:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made References: <001c01c73245$5f6a4240$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: Michael..here's an extract from Ted's site: " contact Don Miller directly at bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net or by phone: 816-506-7920" Good Luck, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:19 AM Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made Hi, can anyone help me please with a contact name/email address for the guy who I am told has taken over Ted Brookovers Ignitor making work. I need one for my Olds. Pics of this engine on my webshops - work on pattern making etc. underway, but the ignitor is probably beyond my skill level at the the moment, particularly as I only have photos to go on from a similar engine at Coolsprings. Thanks!! Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 7 04:19:16 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 05:19:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made References: <001c01c73245$5f6a4240$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: >From Ted's site..this may also help: http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-olds-gearless.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-type-g-olds.JPG or the whole shebang: http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need an ignitor made > Michael..here's an extract from Ted's site: > > " contact Don Miller directly at bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net or by phone: > 816-506-7920" > > Good Luck, > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Young" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:19 AM > Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made > > > Hi, can anyone help me please with a contact name/email address for the > guy who I am told has taken over Ted Brookovers Ignitor making work. I > need one for my Olds. Pics of this engine on my webshops - work on > pattern making etc. underway, but the ignitor is probably beyond my skill > level at the the moment, particularly as I only have photos to go on from > a similar engine at Coolsprings. > > Thanks!! > > > Michael Young > 5 Beech Crescent > Orange NSW 2800 > AUSTRALIA > http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 7 05:11:59 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:11:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo "Rollr" model HU Message-ID: Howdy all; Looking for info on HU, radiator cooled two lunger for friend that did me a BIG old iron favor. He's like to know the carb. number, and HP of the engine. Any pictures of the carb would be appreciated also. TIA, RickinMt. From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Jan 7 07:31:06 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:31:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bates and Edmunds Bullpup info needed Message-ID: <410-2200710715316968@coastalnet.com> Many thanks to Patrick Livingstone, Doug Kimball, and Charlie Bryant. I think I have supplied enough information to the party in the UK who was seeking help on this engine. The lists come through again!! Take care. Ken From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 7 09:04:56 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:04:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo "Rollr" model HU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1168189496.45a12838d1ffe@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rick, I've got a Novo pump outfit that's powered by a two-cylinder 8 hp "HU" Rollr engine. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/rollr.htm I'd be happy to take some close-up pics of the carb. Is there anything in particular that your friend needs to know about it? I've also got some catalog info on the HU that I'd be happy to copy or scan. If you'd like the copy, I'll need your snail addy. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Richard Strobel : > Looking for info on HU, radiator cooled two lunger for friend that did me a > BIG old iron favor. > > He's like to know the carb. number, and HP of the engine. > Any pictures of the carb would be appreciated also. From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Jan 7 09:17:35 2007 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:17:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo "Rollr" model HU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a 2 cylinder Novo that is water cooled. I paid $100 and it is missing one piston. $100 would take it away. Not sure about a radiator... I could snap a picture if you'd like. shoot - you are out in CA, aren't you? Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:12 AM To: stationary-engine; sel Subject: [SEL] Novo "Rollr" model HU Howdy all; Looking for info on HU, radiator cooled two lunger for friend that did me a BIG old iron favor. He's like to know the carb. number, and HP of the engine. Any pictures of the carb would be appreciated also. TIA, RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 7 10:08:16 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:08:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo "Rollr" model HU References: <1168189496.45a12838d1ffe@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Glenn, I'm in Montana. Just doing this for a new found friend that did me a big favor. Arn...I would say for now, a couple pix's of the carb would be fine. Manufacturer and model # if available. A few years ago, you did send me some literature, and I thank you again. I have now given my Rollr, UF, I believe, to a friend and he is rollin' (pun intended) with it and should be running very soon. Thanks much! Rick PS: That's one helluva pump!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo "Rollr" model HU > Hi Rick, > > I've got a Novo pump outfit that's powered by a two-cylinder 8 hp "HU" > Rollr > engine. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/rollr.htm > > I'd be happy to take some close-up pics of the carb. Is there anything in > particular that your friend needs to know about it? > > I've also got some catalog info on the HU that I'd be happy to copy or > scan. > If you'd like the copy, I'll need your snail addy. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > Quoting Richard Strobel : > > > Looking for info on HU, radiator cooled two lunger for friend that did > > me a > > BIG old iron favor. > > > > He's like to know the carb. number, and HP of the engine. > > Any pictures of the carb would be appreciated also. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 7 10:53:12 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:53:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? Message-ID: <45A14198.8030806@scrtc.com> Is there anyone out there that lives close to, or travels near Halfway, MO? Its about 40 miles north of Springfield and about 25 miles off of I-44. I can purchase 4 steel wheels there that I could use but getting them could be a problem. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Jan 7 13:41:40 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:41:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] engine accessory Message-ID: <20070107.134141.1848.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Some one must want something like this for a display. http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Grinding-Wheel-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ1800698879 22QQihZ008QQcategoryZ1461QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Jan 7 16:02:07 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:02:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? References: <45A14198.8030806@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002801c732b8$3db609e0$9444e5d8@HP28276676518> Tommy, Go ahead and get them. I live about 65 miles south of Springfield, Mo and will be up there the next week or so. Actually I look for excuses to go to Springfield, better resturants than here in Theodosia. I can hold them here for as long as necessary. I plan to be at Portland this year, all things considered. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? > Is there anyone out there that lives close to, or travels near Halfway, > MO? Its about 40 miles north of Springfield and about 25 miles off of > I-44. I can purchase 4 steel wheels there that I could use but getting > them could be a problem. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007 > 11:11 AM > > From edurand at cybertron.com Sun Jan 7 16:48:54 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:48:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page In-Reply-To: <003601c6f088$bbb6dda0$05e14044@pengy> Message-ID: Group: I've just started in on the Edwards two banger project again and have updated my page on it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html I still need any information/specs, etc. on these oddball engines. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 7 17:29:46 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:29:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? In-Reply-To: <002801c732b8$3db609e0$9444e5d8@HP28276676518> References: <45A14198.8030806@scrtc.com> <002801c732b8$3db609e0$9444e5d8@HP28276676518> Message-ID: <45A19E8A.2090502@scrtc.com> Thanks Gary! I'll get info to you about their exact location, contact, etc. Pick out a good restaurant for you and the family and send me the tab. I'll be donating some fuel money too! Thanks again. Tommy > Tommy, > > Go ahead and get them. I live about 65 miles south of Springfield, Mo > and will be up there the next week or so. Actually I look for excuses > to go to Springfield, better resturants than here in Theodosia. I can > hold them here for as long as necessary. I plan to be at Portland > this year, all things considered. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:53 PM > Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? > > >> Is there anyone out there that lives close to, or travels near >> Halfway, MO? Its about 40 miles north of Springfield and about 25 >> miles off of I-44. I can purchase 4 steel wheels there that I could >> use but getting them could be a problem. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: >> 1/5/2007 11:11 AM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From oldengin at verizon.net Sun Jan 7 17:34:27 2007 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:34:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Federal excise tax refund References: <52a.c70c250.32d2ce80@aol.com> Message-ID: <003001c732c5$24678a60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> -For your information------------------------------------------------------ A SPECIAL ONE TIME TAX CREDIT ON YOUR 2006 TAX RETURN When it comes time to prepare and file your 2006 tax return, make sure you don't overlook the "federal excise tax refund credit." You claim the credit on line 71 of your FORM 1040. A similar line will be available if you file the short FORM 1040A. If you have family or friends who no longer file a tax return AND they have their own land phone in their home and have been paying a phone bill for years, make sure they know about this FORM 1040EZ-T. What is this all about? Well the federal excise tax has been charged to you on your phone bill for years. It is an old tax that was assessed on your toll calls based on how far the call was being made and how much time you talked on that call. When phone companies began to offer flat fee phone service, challenges to the excise tax ended up in federal courts in several districts of the country. The challenges pointed out that flat fee/rate phone service had nothing to do with the distance and the length of the phone call. Therefore, the excise tax should/could not be assessed. The IRS has now conceded this argument. Phone companies have been given notice to stop assessing the federal excise tax as of Aug 30, 2006. You will most likely see the tax on your September cutoff statement, but it should NOT be on your October bill. But the challengers of the old law also demanded restitution. So the IRS has announced that a one time credit will be available when you and I file our 2006 tax return as I explained above. However, the IRS also established limits on how BIG a credit you can get. Here's how it works: If you file your return as a single person with just you as a dependent, you get to claim a $30 credit on line 71 of your 1040. If you file with a child or a parent as your dependent, you can claim $40. If you file your return as a married couple with no children ,you can claim $40. If you file as married with children, you can claim $50 if one child, $60 if two children. In all cases, the most you get to claim is $60 - UNLESS you have all your phone bills starting AFTER Feb 28, 2003 through July 31, 2006 (do not use any bills starting Aug 1, 2006.), then you can add up the ACTUAL TAX AS IT APPEARS ON YOUR BILLS AND CLAIM THAT FOR A CREDIT. Now if you have your actual phone bills and come up with an ACTUAL TAX AMOUNT, you cannot use line 71 on your tax return. You have to complete a special form number 8913 and attach it to your tax return. Individuals using the special FORM 1040EZ-T will have to attach this FORM 8913 also. One final point - this credit is a refundable credit. That means you get this money, no matter how your tax return works out. If you would end up owing the IRS a balance, the refund will reduce that balance you owe. If you end up getting a refund, the credit will be added and you get a bigger refund by that $30 to $60, depending on how many dependents are on your return. Don't believe it? Check it out: http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/excise.asp http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=161506,00.html Feel free to pass this on or make copies for family and friends who don't have computers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release Date: 1/6/2007 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jan 7 18:14:54 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:14:54 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page References: Message-ID: <000c01c732ca$ccf24300$74412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Elden ..........some years ago I found one of these engines in outback Western Australia. It was given to a club I once belonged to and they started restoring it. I know that quite extensive work was done on it including re sleeving the bores. At the time Curt Andree sent me so much info on the engine , invaluable stuff. I am not sure how the project is going ...slowly I would guess. But if I can assist in any way let me know ,I am still in contact with the club and the members who were working on the Edwards. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > Group: > > I've just started in on the Edwards two banger project again and have > updated my page on it. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html > > I still need any information/specs, etc. on these oddball engines. > > Take care - Elden > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Jan 8 00:30:55 2007 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 19:30:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made References: <001c01c73245$5f6a4240$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <002b01c732ff$5db830f0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Thanks Rick and Reg. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need an ignitor made > Michael..here's an extract from Ted's site: > > " contact Don Miller directly at bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net or by phone: > 816-506-7920" > > Good Luck, > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Young" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:19 AM > Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made > > > Hi, can anyone help me please with a contact name/email address for the > guy who I am told has taken over Ted Brookovers Ignitor making work. I > need one for my Olds. Pics of this engine on my webshops - work on > pattern making etc. underway, but the ignitor is probably beyond my skill > level at the the moment, particularly as I only have photos to go on from > a similar engine at Coolsprings. > > Thanks!! > > > Michael Young > 5 Beech Crescent > Orange NSW 2800 > AUSTRALIA > http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Jan 8 04:32:16 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:32:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page Message-ID: <010820071232.4244.45A239D00007985A00001094219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Elden I might still have a extra copy of an Edwards parts manual left, would you like a copy? Contact me off list. Curt Andree > Group: > > I've just started in on the Edwards two banger project again and have updated my > page on it. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html > > I still need any information/specs, etc. on these oddball engines. > > Take care - Elden > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jan 8 05:37:58 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:37:58 EST Subject: [SEL] gasket cutter Message-ID: Antique gasket cutter on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-signed-carpenters-tool_W0QQitemZ190068186171QQihZ0 09QQcategoryZ4123QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190068186171 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From edurand at cybertron.com Mon Jan 8 06:56:34 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:56:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page In-Reply-To: <010820071232.4244.45A239D00007985A00001094219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Curt: Thanks a bunch! I've contacted you off list as requested. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 06:32 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > > > Elden I might still have a extra copy of an > Edwards parts manual left, would > you like a copy? Contact me off list. > Curt Andree From edurand at cybertron.com Mon Jan 8 07:02:52 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 09:02:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page In-Reply-To: <000c01c732ca$ccf24300$74412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Peter: G'day! Thanks for the offer! Curt is going to send me a copy of an Edwards parts list but we would like to get ahold of as much Edwards information as possible. Frank and I are trying to build a file of data on Edwards, the company and the engines. So far, the pickins' are sparse. Any adverts, manuals, articles, photos, etc. you can get to us will be appreciated. Once we get enough information to justify it, I plan to post all of it on my web page for all to have access to. Please let me know what you can get and we'll get together off-list to work out remuneration. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 08:15 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > > > Elden ..........some years ago I found one of > these engines in outback > Western Australia. It was given to a club I once > belonged to and they > started restoring it. I know that quite extensive > work was done on it > including re sleeving the bores. > At the time Curt Andree sent me so much info on > the engine , invaluable > stuff. I am not sure how the project is going > ...slowly I would guess. But > if I can assist in any way let me know ,I am > still in contact with the club > and the members who were working on the Edwards. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:48 AM > Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > > > > Group: > > > > I've just started in on the Edwards two banger > project again and have > > updated my page on it. > > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Ed wards.html > > I still need any information/specs, etc. on these oddball engines. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jan 8 22:11:24 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:11:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page References: Message-ID: <000901c733b5$01257e40$560d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Elden.....I will attempt to get what info is available. Unfortunately those concerned are not users of the ''Net'' and communication is slow . However I have requested some pictures and an update on how the restoration is going. Whatever eventuates I will forward on to you. I will also send some pictures that I have . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:02 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > Peter: > > G'day! > > Thanks for the offer! Curt is going to send me a copy of an Edwards parts > list but we would like to get ahold of as much Edwards information as > possible. Frank and I are trying to build a file of data on Edwards, the > company and the engines. So far, the pickins' are sparse. > > Any adverts, manuals, articles, photos, etc. you can get to us will be > appreciated. Once we get enough information to justify it, I plan to post > all of it on my web page for all to have access to. Please let me know > what you can get and we'll get together off-list to work out remuneration. > > Take care - Elden > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of peter >> ogborne >> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 08:15 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Updated Edwards page >> >> >> Elden ..........some years ago I found one of >> these engines in outback >> Western Australia. It was given to a club I once >> belonged to and they >> started restoring it. I know that quite extensive >> work was done on it >> including re sleeving the bores. >> At the time Curt Andree sent me so much info on >> the engine , invaluable >> stuff. I am not sure how the project is going >> ...slowly I would guess. But >> if I can assist in any way let me know ,I am >> still in contact with the club >> and the members who were working on the Edwards. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Elden DuRand" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:48 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page >> >> >> > Group: >> > >> > I've just started in on the Edwards two banger >> project again and have >> > updated my page on it. >> > >> > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Ed > wards.html >> >> I still need any information/specs, etc. on these oddball engines. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at cybertron.com Tue Jan 9 06:31:03 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:31:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page In-Reply-To: <000901c733b5$01257e40$560d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Peter: Thanks a bunch for any information you can forward. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 12:11 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > > > Elden.....I will attempt to get what info is > available. Unfortunately those > concerned are not users of the ''Net'' and > communication is slow . However I > have requested some pictures and an update on how > the restoration is going. > Whatever eventuates I will forward on to you. > I will also send some pictures that I have . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:02 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > > > > Peter: > > > > G'day! > > > > Thanks for the offer! Curt is going to send me > a copy of an Edwards parts > > list but we would like to get ahold of as much > Edwards information as > > possible. Frank and I are trying to build a > file of data on Edwards, the > > company and the engines. So far, the pickins' > are sparse. > > > > Any adverts, manuals, articles, photos, etc. > you can get to us will be > > appreciated. Once we get enough information to > justify it, I plan to post > > all of it on my web page for all to have access > to. Please let me know > > what you can get and we'll get together > off-list to work out remuneration. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jan 9 06:45:29 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:45:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions please Message-ID: Howdy all; What would be the proper clearance for 2" rod and main babbitt bearings? I would swag 1500 rpm max., splash lubed. How far could I bore out a 4.125" cylinder and still not need an oversized piston? Is knurling the skirt an option? That's enuf for now :-) TIA, RickinMt. From edurand at cybertron.com Tue Jan 9 08:57:36 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:57:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: For a low speed splash lubed engine, I'd set 2" main and rod journals at about 0.001" or so. If the crank is out of round a little, that should be the clearance at the tightest spot. As to the piston fit on the engine, it'd depend on how much noise from piston slap you can stand. Knurling the skirt is an option but doesn't work well on iron pistons. Don't expect the knurling to last long. I think it was mostly used during WWII and at used car lots to silence the noise of a loose engine. My ZC52 (3-3/4" bore) had about 60 mils of skirt clearance at the most worn part of the bore and the piston slap was easily heard. I'd guess at about 0.020" or so to be the max without the noise disturbing your nap. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 08:45 AM > To: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org; sel > Subject: [SEL] Couple questions please > > > > Howdy all; > > What would be the proper clearance for 2" rod > and main babbitt bearings? > I would swag 1500 rpm max., splash lubed. > > How far could I bore out a 4.125" cylinder > and still not need an > oversized piston? Is knurling the skirt an option? > > That's enuf for now :-) > > TIA, > RickinMt. From enginepaul at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 10:07:18 2007 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:07:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0701091007y543fff0bj5fe580fedbfcf5ae@mail.gmail.com> I have to disagree with the knurling part of the answer. I've knurled pistons in car and truck engines with great results. It is not 'as good as new' but it is pretty close in many cases and it does last quite a while. The last engine I did it to was a Ford 2.8 and drove it about 40,000 miles with no problem before getting rid of it. (It had too many dents from my fellow SanFran drivers; otherwise I'd still have it) I'd ask a machinist for recommendations as to whether it should be done in your particular situation. From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 9 11:01:00 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:01:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Couple questions please In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0701091007y543fff0bj5fe580fedbfcf5ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d3c36fb0701091007y543fff0bj5fe580fedbfcf5ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1068.165.206.180.140.1168369260.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> So would I. It was actually taught at a college machine shop not too many years ago - and in manuals it was touted as a valid way to increase piston life and restore clearances on engines slightly worn but not bad enough to rebuild. It was also shown that truck shops did this on new engines to prolong the life because of the increased amount of oil held against the cylinder wall in the knurling. According to an older book dating back to the 60's, they would disassemble new truck engines, knurl the pistons, cut the ring grooves wider, install hard spacers above the rings and reassemble. They had fewer issues with rings and pistons when doing so. We did a small amount of knurling ourselves with good results. You can actually run *tighter* than spec clearances with knurling. I will not state it would be good or would work on an iron piston, (or a non-aluminum piston), but an automotive piston from anything up through the 70's, I'd not be a bit afraid to do it. Bill > I have to disagree with the knurling part of the answer. I've knurled > pistons in car and truck engines with great results. It is not 'as good as > new' but it is pretty close in many cases and it does last quite a while. > The last engine I did it to was a Ford 2.8 and drove it about 40,000 miles > with no problem before getting rid of it. (It had too many dents from my > fellow SanFran drivers; otherwise I'd still have it) > I'd ask a machinist for recommendations as to whether it should be done in > your particular situation. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Jan 9 17:02:11 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:02:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? References: <45A14198.8030806@scrtc.com><002801c732b8$3db609e0$9444e5d8@HP28276676518> <45A19E8A.2090502@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <02b301c73453$3fd5bad0$bcb6f504@Ed> Tommy, As a back up, my brother lives in Sunrise Beach, about 45 miles away. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? > Thanks Gary! I'll get info to you about their exact location, contact, > etc. Pick out a good restaurant for you and the family and send me the > tab. I'll be donating some fuel money too! Thanks again. > > Tommy > > >> Tommy, >> >> Go ahead and get them. I live about 65 miles south of Springfield, Mo >> and will be up there the next week or so. Actually I look for excuses >> to go to Springfield, better resturants than here in Theodosia. I can >> hold them here for as long as necessary. I plan to be at Portland >> this year, all things considered. >> >> Gary >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:53 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? >> >> >>> Is there anyone out there that lives close to, or travels near >>> Halfway, MO? Its about 40 miles north of Springfield and about 25 >>> miles off of I-44. I can purchase 4 steel wheels there that I could >>> use but getting them could be a problem. >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: >>> 1/5/2007 11:11 AM >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From asouth42 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 10 09:27:20 2007 From: asouth42 at earthlink.net (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:27:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis Message-ID: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Hello folks, At the risk of being raked over the coals, I need the answer to a question that has been asked and answered a couple of time over the last year or two: When de-rusting a piece of iron by electrolysis, which piece is the Positive cable connected to? I know I saved the article several years ago when it was discussed on the list, but I just can't locate it. Your help will be much appreciated. Thanks, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at earthlink.net http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From edurand at cybertron.com Wed Jan 10 09:56:14 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:56:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: Art: The negative lead goes to the piece to be cleaned. The sacrificial anode (+ natch) is the, natch again positive lead. I ain't the big expert but here's my electrolysis page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff/Electrolysis.html Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of ArthurDeana > Southwell > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:27 AM > To: Old Engine.org; ATIS-SEL > Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with > electrolysis > > > Hello folks, > > At the risk of being raked over the coals, I need > the answer to a question > that has been asked and answered a couple of > > time over the last year or two: > > When de-rusting a piece of iron by electrolysis, > which piece is the Positive > cable connected to? > > I know I saved the article several years ago when > it was discussed on the > list, but I just can't locate it. Your help will > > be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > Arthur From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 10 09:54:45 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:54:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070110125403.02f59810@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Arthur, The positive goes to the waste electrode. Neg to the part being cleaned. TTYL, Mark At 12:27 PM 1/10/07, you wrote: >When de-rusting a piece of iron by electrolysis, which piece is the >Positive cable connected to? >I know I saved the article several years ago when it was discussed on the >list, but I just can't locate it. >Thanks, >Arthur >Arthur Southwell >Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 10 10:11:53 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:11:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp Quote: place NEGATIVE LEAD (this is critical!!) on the piece that is to be cleaned. Attach POSITIVE, or RED lead of charger, to electrode "grid" formed when you placed electrodes, or rods, into bucket and tied them all together. Bill Runnells, IA > Hello folks, > > At the risk of being raked over the coals, I need the answer to a question > that has been asked and answered a couple of > > time over the last year or two: > > When de-rusting a piece of iron by electrolysis, which piece is the > Positive > cable connected to? > > I know I saved the article several years ago when it was discussed on the > list, but I just can't locate it. Your help will > > be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > Arthur > > > > > Arthur Southwell > Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. > > asouth42 at earthlink.net > > http://oldengine.org/members/southwell > http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html > http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee > http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tsmith at hal-pc.org Wed Jan 10 10:21:06 2007 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:21:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> <3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Also important to remember the bucket or container must not be conductive. Best done in a plastic container. The placement of the electrodes should be near and around the piece to be cleaned but NOT touching. Tom On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:11:53 -0800 (PST) bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp > > Quote: place NEGATIVE LEAD (this is critical!!) on the piece that >is to > be cleaned. Attach POSITIVE, or RED lead of charger, to electrode >"grid" > formed when you placed electrodes, or rods, into bucket and tied >them all > together. > > Bill > Runnells, IA > > >> Hello folks, >> >> At the risk of being raked over the coals, I need the answer to a >>question >> that has been asked and answered a couple of >> >> time over the last year or two: >> >> When de-rusting a piece of iron by electrolysis, which piece is the >> Positive >> cable connected to? >> >> I know I saved the article several years ago when it was discussed >>on the >> list, but I just can't locate it. Your help will >> >> be much appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Arthur >> >> >> >> >> Arthur Southwell >> Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. >> >> asouth42 at earthlink.net >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell >> http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html >> http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee >> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jan 10 10:47:08 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:47:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR><3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: I remember it...on a battery charger, electricity goes from Neg. to Pos. We want the rust to go the same way. RickinMt. From asouth42 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 10 11:44:52 2007 From: asouth42 at earthlink.net (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:44:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR><3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <026701c734ef$cc6a11c0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Thanks to : Richard S., Tom S., armstrong, Carl C., Elden D., Bill @, Mark S., and anyone else who replied or replies after Richard's message. Now I'll start trying to save a carb off a Huber tractor. Y'all have a good day. C'ya, Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis >I remember it...on a battery charger, electricity goes from Neg. to Pos. >We want the rust to go the same way. > > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 10 13:23:27 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:23:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <026701c734ef$cc6a11c0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR><3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <026701c734ef$cc6a11c0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <4191.165.206.180.140.1168464207.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Unless you go by the older "current" or "hole" theories in which the holes or current flow from pos to neg................ Electrons flow neg to pos......... Yeah, love to complicate things......... Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis > > >>I remember it...on a battery charger, electricity goes from Neg. to Pos. >>We want the rust to go the same way. >> >> >> RickinMt. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 10 16:19:46 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:19:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine half-way across country........ In-Reply-To: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <003601c73516$56be4050$4200a8c0@sheeba> How hard would it be to find transport for a 6cyl Jeep engine (a 258) from Torrance, CA to Iowa? It's an engine Edelbrock used to test intake manifolds. Pretty much stock but has had a few "tweaks". Here's the info and if I can get it back to Iowa, I have "first dibs" Usually these aren't too heavy as far as auto engines - I once witnessed one fellolw lift one of these shortblocks into a bench himself. This, however, is complete minus the intake so would be too heavy to simply lift for one fellow. Two probably could. I'm wanting it for one of two possible future projects........if I can get it here. ----------------------------- 1979 or 1980, AMC 258 Six Cyl. , stock bore, stock compression. Engine was disassembled refined and reassembled for dyno testing when it was new. Crank has been shot peened and polished. Rods have been shot peened, sized, and new rod bolts installed. Rotating assembly has been balanced. It currently has a Motorcraft dist. Stock exhaust manifold. The engine was used for dyno testing an intake manifold back in 79-80. Ironicly the intake and carb are missing from the engine. It has been sitting assembled in the engine storage area at Edelbrock since 79-80, so it will need to be gone through before running. ----------------------------- If it can at least be gotten out of their storage, the rest of the trip here could take a YEAR or so for all I care........... Thanks. Bill Runnells, IA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jan 10 18:00:02 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:00:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR><3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><026701c734ef$cc6a11c0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> <4191.165.206.180.140.1168464207.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: I'd a been disappointed if someone hadn't spoke up...vbg Rick > Unless you go by the older "current" or "hole" theories in which the holes > or current flow from pos to neg................ > > Electrons flow neg to pos......... > > Yeah, love to complicate things......... From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 10 19:47:49 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:47:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - tumbler plans In-Reply-To: <20061014190602.2043.qmail@web55913.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c73533$45fcd430$0100a8c0@l2800> Wanted to FINALLY thank Mick for the info on the tumbler. So simple once I saw it again. I've FINALLY gotten around to hacking one together - the motor needs to be rewired as the cord is old and stiff (like my knees) but it works. Need to fine-tune spacing for different size containers and try different mediums but seems like it will work for those small parts I don't otherwise want to mess with by hand. Thanks, Mick! Bill Runnells, IA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mick Demaria Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 2:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - tumbler plans Hi Bill, I found one quite similar at a swap meet. I think you can still see the price in the pics. http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/tumbler/index.html I think Dave used walnut shell and Brasso, I used fine sand and Brasso with pretty good results but you still have to use the buffer to get a mirror finish. Mick --- Bill Dickerson wrote: > > A while back a list member, perhaps Dave, showed a > great method to build a > simple cheap tumbler (for cleaning or polishing > small parts, etc.) > It used a washing machine motor (electric, not > Maytag gas) and a paint can > as I recall. > > I can't find that info. > I suspect it was posted on the web. > If someone has that info, or something like it, > could they please share it? > > Thanks > > > Bill > Runnells, IA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Jan 10 21:42:31 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:42:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Engine half-way across country........ In-Reply-To: <003601c73516$56be4050$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <200701110542.l0B5gdnv067407@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dickerson Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:20 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Engine half-way across country........ How hard would it be to find transport for a 6cyl Jeep engine (a 258) from Torrance, CA to Iowa? It's an engine Edelbrock used to test intake manifolds. Pretty much stock but has had a few "tweaks". Here's the info and if I can get it back to Iowa, I have "first dibs" Usually these aren't too heavy as far as auto engines - I once witnessed one fellolw lift one of these shortblocks into a bench himself. This, however, is complete minus the intake so would be too heavy to simply lift for one fellow. Two probably could. I'm wanting it for one of two possible future projects........if I can get it here. ----------------------------- 1979 or 1980, AMC 258 Six Cyl. , stock bore, stock compression. Engine was disassembled refined and reassembled for dyno testing when it was new. Crank has been shot peened and polished. Rods have been shot peened, sized, and new rod bolts installed. Rotating assembly has been balanced. It currently has a Motorcraft dist. Stock exhaust manifold. The engine was used for dyno testing an intake manifold back in 79-80. Ironicly the intake and carb are missing from the engine. It has been sitting assembled in the engine storage area at Edelbrock since 79-80, so it will need to be gone through before running. ----------------------------- If it can at least be gotten out of their storage, the rest of the trip here could take a YEAR or so for all I care........... Thanks. Bill Runnells, IA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill, have you visited Harry's Classified, lately? It has recently been overhauled: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/ Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you'll see there is now a "Hauling wanted" category. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Jan 11 03:19:05 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:19:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register Message-ID: <000b01c73572$51798210$45f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> I believe that Ian Mathews is the above ....does anyone know his email address? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jan 11 04:56:17 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 04:56:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] RE: Engine half-way across country........ In-Reply-To: <200701110542.l0B5gdnv067407@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200701110542.l0B5gdnv067407@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <2131.165.206.180.140.1168520177.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> No, I've not visited Harry's pages for a while (even though a couple years back he urged me to check it all out again). I'll have to take a look. Gee, maybe I can even help someone else one day so it might be a fun thing to keep an eye on anyway. Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Dickerson > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:20 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: [SEL] Engine half-way across country........ > > > How hard would it be to find transport for a 6cyl Jeep engine (a 258) from > Torrance, CA to Iowa? > It's an engine Edelbrock used to test intake manifolds. Pretty much stock > but has had a few "tweaks". > > Here's the info and if I can get it back to Iowa, I have "first dibs" > Usually these aren't too heavy as far as auto engines - I once witnessed > one > fellolw lift one of these shortblocks into a bench himself. This, however, > is complete minus the intake so would be too heavy to simply lift for one > fellow. Two probably could. > I'm wanting it for one of two possible future projects........if I can get > it here. > ................................... > > If it can at least be gotten out of their storage, the rest of the trip > here > could take a YEAR or so for all I care........... > > Thanks. > > Bill > Runnells, IA > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Bill, have you visited Harry's Classified, lately? It has recently been > overhauled: > > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/ > > Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you'll see there is now a > "Hauling > wanted" category. > > Regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdragoset at galvotec.com Thu Jan 11 06:55:09 2007 From: jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:55:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Those electron/hole current flow theories only apply to the metallic portion of the circuit. In the electrolyte, current flow is ionic, with positive (hydrogen& metal) ions moving from the positive to negative electrode and negative (chlorine, oxygen, etc.) ions moving from the negative to positive electrode. Jim Dragoset NOLA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis I'd a been disappointed if someone hadn't spoke up...vbg Rick > Unless you go by the older "current" or "hole" theories in which the holes > or current flow from pos to neg................ > > Electrons flow neg to pos......... > > Yeah, love to complicate things......... _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jan 11 06:25:19 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:25:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions please References: <8d3c36fb0701091007y543fff0bj5fe580fedbfcf5ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys for the suggestions. Believe I've found a "good ole boy" machinist. Will take the block in ASAP or rather when it warms up. -1 here now and still dropping. Regards, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Johns" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Couple questions please > I have to disagree with the knurling part of the answer. I've knurled > pistons in car and truck engines with great results. It is not 'as good as > new' but it is pretty close in many cases and it does last quite a while. > The last engine I did it to was a Ford 2.8 and drove it about 40,000 miles > with no problem before getting rid of it. (It had too many dents from my > fellow SanFran drivers; otherwise I'd still have it) > I'd ask a machinist for recommendations as to whether it should be done in > your particular situation. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 11 11:07:26 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:07:26 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <200701111700.l0BH04wK031622@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070111210437.00abb740@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 11/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 13 >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:19:05 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register > >I believe that Ian Mathews is the above ....does anyone know his email >address? >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au Hi Peter, Ken Christison's resources page lists this address: Kens page is: Hope this helps Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 11 11:10:57 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:10:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070111210949.00b14db0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Sorry for the duplicate Guys - I forgot to change the "Subject" line At 07:00 PM 11/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 13 >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:19:05 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register > >I believe that Ian Mathews is the above ....does anyone know his email >address? >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au Hi Peter, Ken Christison's resources page lists this address: Kens page is: Hope this helps Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 11 13:42:32 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:42:32 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register In-Reply-To: <000b01c73572$51798210$45f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <5jjn06$iu3ut@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony15.iinet.net.au> While on the subject of Southern Cross I picked up an AKB yesterday and its missing the cylinder head. Anyone got one laying around? Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Thursday, 11 January 2007 8:19 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register I believe that Ian Mathews is the above ....does anyone know his email address? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Jan 11 15:22:31 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:22:31 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ian Mathews ...Southern Cross Message-ID: <003001c735d7$6161f940$ef402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks to those members re the Southern Cross Registrar Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Jan 11 15:27:31 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:27:31 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross AKB Message-ID: <003101c735d8$13d7b420$ef402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Ray ,my old Southern Cross catalogue tell me that the Southern Cross Model AKB ,700 Watt lighting plant with the mark AKB Petrol engine would have cost you 63 Pounds in 1939. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Jan 11 17:47:42 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:47:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis References: Message-ID: <00ca01c735ee$9c68f040$91b3f504@Ed> I thought Rick had a great simple way for me to remember which lead goes where now I am all messed up. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dragoset" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis > Those electron/hole current flow theories only apply to the metallic > portion > of the circuit. > In the electrolyte, current flow is ionic, with positive (hydrogen& metal) > ions moving from > the positive to negative electrode and negative (chlorine, oxygen, etc.) > ions moving from > the negative to positive electrode. > Jim Dragoset > NOLA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis > > > I'd a been disappointed if someone hadn't spoke up...vbg > > Rick > > > > >> Unless you go by the older "current" or "hole" theories in which the >> holes >> or current flow from pos to neg................ >> >> Electrons flow neg to pos......... >> >> Yeah, love to complicate things......... > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 11 22:59:25 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:59:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register In-Reply-To: <000b01c73572$51798210$45f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000b01c73572$51798210$45f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <45A731CD.5070909@steamengine.com.au> Phone *07 47731563 Email * *ianm01 at hotkey.net.au* Regards Paul peter ogborne wrote: > I believe that Ian Mathews is the above ....does anyone know his email > address? > Peter Ogborne From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 11 23:03:33 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:03:33 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross AKB In-Reply-To: <003101c735d8$13d7b420$ef402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <5jlpn2$2muepc@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> Peter mine was built in late 39 and according to the Southern Cross book was 39 pounds for the bare motor. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Friday, 12 January 2007 8:28 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross AKB Ray ,my old Southern Cross catalogue tell me that the Southern Cross Model AKB ,700 Watt lighting plant with the mark AKB Petrol engine would have cost you 63 Pounds in 1939. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 12 07:22:05 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:22:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. Message-ID: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> Fellow machinists, a lathe tooling question for you..... When using carbide insert tool holders, how does one determine when to use negative rake vs. positive rake tool holders? Are triangled inserts the best for facing? Or would round be better? Or some other shape? MSC doesn't have a lot of small clamp style indexable tools. The shank will need to be 7/16 square with an overall length of 3". Will be facing copper samples in our lab here at work. Want the smoothest, brightest surface possible to lessen hand polishing after turning..... Curt Holland From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Jan 12 09:20:15 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:20:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? References: <45A14198.8030806@scrtc.com><002801c732b8$3db609e0$9444e5d8@HP28276676518> <45A19E8A.2090502@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <004701c7366d$edc47980$8a44e5d8@HP28276676518> Hi Tommy, Any further word on your wheels yet? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? > Thanks Gary! I'll get info to you about their exact location, contact, > etc. Pick out a good restaurant for you and the family and send me the > tab. I'll be donating some fuel money too! Thanks again. > > Tommy > > >> Tommy, >> >> Go ahead and get them. I live about 65 miles south of Springfield, Mo >> and will be up there the next week or so. Actually I look for excuses to >> go to Springfield, better resturants than here in Theodosia. I can hold >> them here for as long as necessary. I plan to be at Portland this year, >> all things considered. >> >> Gary >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:53 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? >> >> >>> Is there anyone out there that lives close to, or travels near Halfway, >>> MO? Its about 40 miles north of Springfield and about 25 miles off of >>> I-44. I can purchase 4 steel wheels there that I could use but getting >>> them could be a problem. >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007 >>> 11:11 AM >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/619 - Release Date: 1/7/2007 > 6:29 PM > > From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Fri Jan 12 09:22:04 2007 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:22:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <174748.96125.qm@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> Lots of time if you call the insert manufacturer and tell them what you are doing they will reccomend the proper insert plus speed/feed. You might want to pick a couple companies and see what they have to say. Curt wrote: Fellow machinists, a lathe tooling question for you..... When using carbide insert tool holders, how does one determine when to use negative rake vs. positive rake tool holders? Are triangled inserts the best for facing? Or would round be better? Or some other shape? MSC doesn't have a lot of small clamp style indexable tools. The shank will need to be 7/16 square with an overall length of 3". Will be facing copper samples in our lab here at work. Want the smoothest, brightest surface possible to lessen hand polishing after turning..... Curt Holland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 12 09:55:41 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:55:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <00ca01c735ee$9c68f040$91b3f504@Ed> References: <00ca01c735ee$9c68f040$91b3f504@Ed> Message-ID: <07FB504F-98C9-43AB-8A16-C37E405B8039@rustyiron.com> On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > I thought Rick had a great simple way for me to remember which lead > goes where now I am all messed up. Hi Ed, Don't feel bad. I have to stop and think about it every time I play with elecrolysis -- whether for removing rust or making rust. If you can remember back to chemistry class, the iron oxide molecule is locked together because the iron ion has a positive charge and the oxide ion has a negative charge. Opposites attract, and it's really hard to separate the two. When doing electrolysis, remember that opposites attract, and like charges repel. If you connect your part to the negative side of your power supply, and your anode to the positive, the oxide ions are going to be blown off your part and sucked over toward the anode. The iron ions are not going to want to go anywhere, because they're positive and they're connected to the negative side of your circuit. But if you want to CREATE rust on your part, hook your part to the positive side of your power supply and your cathode to the negative. Your part will now attract all the stray oxygen ions over to it, creating a coating of rust. I'm sure this is overly simplistic and technically flawed, but it's a good way to look at it so you don't hook up your circuit backwards. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 12 10:04:12 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:04:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> On Jan 12, 2007, at 7:22 AM, Curt wrote: > Fellow machinists, a lathe tooling question for you..... > > When using carbide insert tool holders, how does one determine when > to use negative rake vs. positive rake tool holders? > Are triangled inserts the best for facing? Or would round be > better? Or some other shape? > > MSC doesn't have a lot of small clamp style indexable tools. The > shank will need to be 7/16 square with an overall length of 3". > > Will be facing copper samples in our lab here at work. Want the > smoothest, brightest surface possible to lessen hand polishing > after turning..... > Curt Holland Hi Curt, Are you dead set on carbide? I'd use a high speed tool, give just a little less rake than negative, generously round the point, hand hone the tool so it's razor sharp, and use a lot of cutting oil. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 12 10:38:05 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:38:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <45A7D58D.2070309@imc-group.com> Yeah Rob, in a production environment where you are preparing 100's of samples for analytical testing, carbide is the most economical solution. Besides the fellow running the lathe is a metallurgical test machine operator not a machinist. He really has no interest in such details and he simply doesn't have the time. The old broken holder he gave me was surprising when I looked at it, as the triangular insert is actually held at a slight angle downhill. The p/n on the tool also indicates a negative rake. Truthfully I alway thought the tools were made straight and you made the rake positive or negative by either coming in above or below centerline. But maybe this is all part of indexable tooling, so that you never have to adjust the tool holder up or down. Just drop it in and go. Agree with the oil comment. In fact we've found kerosene work well. Curt Rob Skinner wrote: > > Hi Curt, > Are you dead set on carbide? I'd use a high speed tool, give just a > little less rake than negative, generously round the point, hand hone > the tool so it's razor sharp, and use a lot of cutting oil. > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 12 10:39:59 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:39:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <45A7D5FF.5010701@imc-group.com> Rob Skinner wrote: > > give just a little less rake than negative, BTW Rob, what is a little less than negative? Would that be slightly positive? :-) Curt From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 12 10:42:36 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:42:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: > a little less rake than negative, That was supposed to read, "a little less rake than neutral." Just a bit negative. Rob From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Jan 12 13:32:01 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:32:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis References: <00ca01c735ee$9c68f040$91b3f504@Ed> <07FB504F-98C9-43AB-8A16-C37E405B8039@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <003d01c73691$19e73890$8e0d693a@fred> I have found the simplest way to remember which way the the electrodes go is to write it on the shed wall. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis > > On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > >> I thought Rick had a great simple way for me to remember which lead goes >> where now I am all messed up. > > > Hi Ed, > Don't feel bad. I have to stop and think about it every time I play with > elecrolysis -- whether for removing rust or making rust. > > If you can remember back to chemistry class, the iron oxide molecule is > locked together because the iron ion has a positive charge and the oxide > ion has a negative charge. Opposites attract, and it's really hard to > separate the two. > > When doing electrolysis, remember that opposites attract, and like > charges repel. If you connect your part to the negative side of your > power supply, and your anode to the positive, the oxide ions are going to > be blown off your part and sucked over toward the anode. The iron ions > are not going to want to go anywhere, because they're positive and > they're connected to the negative side of your circuit. > > But if you want to CREATE rust on your part, hook your part to the > positive side of your power supply and your cathode to the negative. > Your part will now attract all the stray oxygen ions over to it, creating > a coating of rust. > > I'm sure this is overly simplistic and technically flawed, but it's a > good way to look at it so you don't hook up your circuit backwards. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: > 12/01/2007 2:04 PM > > From dotto at velocitus.net Fri Jan 12 16:18:39 2007 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:18:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00d601c736a8$60d97c60$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Curt I use Sandvik TCGX series inserts for nonferrous turning. They are a triangle insert with a center hole. They have a real aggressive top rake and are honed to a very sharp edge. They leave a wonderful finish on parts. I use them on all nonferrous metals including brass and bronze. I even use them on leaded steel and free machining 303 SS. One other option may be a PCD Poly-Crystalline Diamond insert. We used to use these to machine die cast aluminum hubs for disk drive motors. The finish was pretty close to a mirror. The diamonds don't take abuse well, but if taken care of will last a long time. We would send our dull inserts out for regrinding. These inserts were TPG with a top clamp type holder. Dave No, the piston isn't finished yet. It is roughed out and waiting for the finial bore size then I can finish the OD. cut the ring groove and put the pin hole in. The rocker arms are finished and came out great. I need to do an up date to my Webshots page. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:22 AM > To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org) > Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. > > Fellow machinists, a lathe tooling question for you..... > > When using carbide insert tool holders, how does one determine when to > use negative rake vs. positive rake tool holders? > Are triangled inserts the best for facing? Or would round be better? Or > some other shape? > > MSC doesn't have a lot of small clamp style indexable tools. The shank > will need to be 7/16 square with an overall length of 3". > > Will be facing copper samples in our lab here at work. Want the > smoothest, brightest surface possible to lessen hand polishing after > turning..... > Curt Holland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Fri Jan 12 16:29:37 2007 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:29:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <45A7D58D.2070309@imc-group.com> References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com><1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> <45A7D58D.2070309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00e401c736a9$e95170b0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Curt I have never had much luck with negative rake lathe tools; They may be fine in a CNC with a lot of power and coolant. To me happy they need to be taking very heavy cuts and if you try to sneak up and take a light cut they will want to skid along the surface. For a light duty machine; I would stay with positive rake tooling for which ever insert type you chose. On a negative rake insert the rake is built into the tool holder. That way you get six cutting edges as opposed to 3 on a triangle positive insert. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. > > Yeah Rob, in a production environment where you are preparing 100's of > samples for analytical testing, carbide is the most economical solution. > Besides the fellow running the lathe is a metallurgical test machine > operator not a machinist. He really has no interest in such details and > he simply doesn't have the time. > The old broken holder he gave me was surprising when I looked at it, as > the triangular insert is actually held at a slight angle downhill. The > p/n on the tool also indicates a negative rake. Truthfully I alway > thought the tools were made straight and you made the rake positive or > negative by either coming in above or below centerline. But maybe this > is all part of indexable tooling, so that you never have to adjust the > tool holder up or down. Just drop it in and go. > Agree with the oil comment. In fact we've found kerosene work well. > Curt > > Rob Skinner wrote: > > > > > Hi Curt, > > Are you dead set on carbide? I'd use a high speed tool, give just a > > little less rake than negative, generously round the point, hand hone > > the tool so it's razor sharp, and use a lot of cutting oil. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Jan 12 18:08:56 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:08:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis References: <00ca01c735ee$9c68f040$91b3f504@Ed> <07FB504F-98C9-43AB-8A16-C37E405B8039@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <00b401c736b7$c8eabad0$f7b6f504@Ed> My old brain still like the simplicity of Rick's formula. Speaking of ions, when I use electrolysis, my part turns black like is goes from a red rust to a black rust. Are there two types of rust: FeO and FeO2? Or is it just that the iron molecules when stripped of the Oxygen just look black. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis > > On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > >> I thought Rick had a great simple way for me to remember which lead goes >> where now I am all messed up. > > > Hi Ed, > Don't feel bad. I have to stop and think about it every time I play with > elecrolysis -- whether for removing rust or making rust. > > If you can remember back to chemistry class, the iron oxide molecule is > locked together because the iron ion has a positive charge and the oxide > ion has a negative charge. Opposites attract, and it's really hard to > separate the two. > > When doing electrolysis, remember that opposites attract, and like > charges repel. If you connect your part to the negative side of your > power supply, and your anode to the positive, the oxide ions are going to > be blown off your part and sucked over toward the anode. The iron ions > are not going to want to go anywhere, because they're positive and > they're connected to the negative side of your circuit. > > But if you want to CREATE rust on your part, hook your part to the > positive side of your power supply and your cathode to the negative. > Your part will now attract all the stray oxygen ions over to it, creating > a coating of rust. > > I'm sure this is overly simplistic and technically flawed, but it's a > good way to look at it so you don't hook up your circuit backwards. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Jan 12 18:26:53 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:26:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <00b401c736b7$c8eabad0$f7b6f504@Ed> Message-ID: <000001c736ba$4d42f840$4200a8c0@sheeba> http://antique-engines.com/electrol-details.asp During electrolysis the rust turns from orange to black. In most cases, the rust next to the iron is reduced to iron metal. This reduced iron will form a somewhat porous layer of new iron on the metal object being cleaned. After electrolysis the iron object will rust very quickly unless it is protected because this porous layer of new iron has a high surface area. The rest of the rust may reduce to a variety of compounds depending on the compounds in the original rust and the details of the electrolysis. Typically the black stuff that can be rubbed off after electrolysis is a mixture of iron metal and magnetite, Fe3O4 , an oxide of iron. Magnetite is an intermediate product in the reduction of rust to iron metal. It is the black stuff in magnetic recording tapes. So once your parts are cleaned or removed from the solution, you'll want to rinse and brush them off to remove the loose iron, dry them quickly and completely, and protect them with primer or other rust preventative. Bill Runnells -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed stoller Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis My old brain still like the simplicity of Rick's formula. Speaking of ions, when I use electrolysis, my part turns black like is goes from a red rust to a black rust. Are there two types of rust: FeO and FeO2? Or is it just that the iron molecules when stripped of the Oxygen just look black. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis > > On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > >> I thought Rick had a great simple way for me to remember which lead goes >> where now I am all messed up. > > > Hi Ed, > Don't feel bad. I have to stop and think about it every time I play with > elecrolysis -- whether for removing rust or making rust. > > If you can remember back to chemistry class, the iron oxide molecule is > locked together because the iron ion has a positive charge and the oxide > ion has a negative charge. Opposites attract, and it's really hard to > separate the two. > > When doing electrolysis, remember that opposites attract, and like > charges repel. If you connect your part to the negative side of your > power supply, and your anode to the positive, the oxide ions are going to > be blown off your part and sucked over toward the anode. The iron ions > are not going to want to go anywhere, because they're positive and > they're connected to the negative side of your circuit. > > But if you want to CREATE rust on your part, hook your part to the > positive side of your power supply and your cathode to the negative. > Your part will now attract all the stray oxygen ions over to it, creating > a coating of rust. > > I'm sure this is overly simplistic and technically flawed, but it's a > good way to look at it so you don't hook up your circuit backwards. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Fri Jan 12 19:22:24 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:22:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005f01c736c2$0c09c270$68d04c0c@D48VHZ61> We don't cut a lot of copper but when I do, I use a positive rake insert with a ground cutting edge. These inserts work great on plastic and aluminum. The brand I use is Vardex (VNE corp). I believe the prefix is CCGT. We have 2 styles--with and without chipbreaker--just depending on what you are doing. These are pretty much an 80 deg insert but there is only 2 cutting edges---they will not fit in holders for CNMG inserts. Sometimes the manual machinists even use these on steel when the matl. is soft, gummy, or they just can't get enough SFM for regular inserts. I know these inserts are available as a 3/8IC so you should be able to get a holder for your lathe. I just ordered one for our little lathe acouple weeks ago--I think it was a 1/2" shank---but thats what milling machines are for. In the CNC lathes we run a semi-synthetic coolant. On the manuals we would use oil,or kerosene. I would think diesel or WD-40 may also work. Many years ago we had an old timer that used bacon grese for threading copper. He kept it in a coffee cup so he could easily heat it up for applying. You probably want to stay away from "yellow" inserts--thae material will probably just build up on them rapidly. There are all sorts of coatings available---some of them may help. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. > Fellow machinists, a lathe tooling question for you..... > > When using carbide insert tool holders, how does one determine when to use > negative rake vs. positive rake tool holders? > Are triangled inserts the best for facing? Or would round be better? Or > some other shape? > > MSC doesn't have a lot of small clamp style indexable tools. The shank > will need to be 7/16 square with an overall length of 3". > > Will be facing copper samples in our lab here at work. Want the smoothest, > brightest surface possible to lessen hand polishing after turning..... > Curt Holland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 12 19:58:31 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:58:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Fankhauser Pics Message-ID: <1168660711.45a858e717b11@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, I have a request from a fellow club member. He wants to put together a photo collage of pics of John with his model engines. Sadly, I lost nearly all of the pics I had of John when I had a hard drive crash. So I told him I would ask y'all. If you knew John and have pics of him (especially with his model engines), would you email 'em to me off-list? He'd really appreciate it, and I wouldn't mind having a copy myself. Thanks. See ya, Arnie PS - John died in early 2003, so the 2002 engine show would be the latest one that would have pics of John. From dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Fri Jan 12 20:04:13 2007 From: dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:04:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Contact info for Alec Stevens? References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> <00d601c736a8$60d97c60$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <004301c736c7$e4031eb0$6400a8c0@Family> Dear SEL members, Would one of you folks happen to have any contact information for Alec Stevens in Maine? I have since lost his email address and I would like to get back in contact with him. Thanks. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov From avanti_64 at juno.com Sat Jan 13 05:40:44 2007 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:40:44 GMT Subject: [SEL] Contact info for Alec Stevens? Message-ID: <20070113.054127.29529.1914162@webmail25.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 13 06:50:46 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:50:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr HU machining Message-ID: G'day gang; Well I'm glad to see my friend Willy has grabbed the ball and ran with this Rollr!! Here's a picture of it after block was shaved, cylinders were trued using Sunnen hone and valve seat inserts installed (seats haven't been ground down at angle yet.) Needless to say I was impressed with the machinist(s) at Carquest. Block had to be sent some 300 miles away to another Carquest for the seats at no extra charge. I'm glad to see this kind of service!! They did not shave too much..just enough to true the sealing surfaces on block and Head/hopper. You can make this picture bigger by clicking on the + sign below the picture. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2846441900039077051BSTlJG I'll be talking to them on some of my machining needs for sure. Little chilly here at 6 below...'bout right for this time of year. Regards, RickinMt. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 13 07:05:34 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:05:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Petter Junior Stationary Engine 5hp Nice Price on eBay Message-ID: <1168700734.45a8f53ecb35d@webmail.city-net.com> Buy It Now Price: GBP 320.00(Approximately?US $622.05) Find out more - View this Item http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320070829735 See ya, Arnie From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 13 07:28:09 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:28:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr HU machining References: Message-ID: Forgot to add...the machinist said in his opinion that the quality of metal used in this block was way better than a 350 Chev. Believe I saw somewhere that Novo used a lot of nickel. It is a very nice looking machined surface to these untrained eyes. Now I just gotta find that damn tag for him...aarrghh Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 7:50 AM Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr HU machining > > G'day gang; > Well I'm glad to see my friend Willy has grabbed the ball and ran with > this Rollr!! Here's a picture of it after block was shaved, cylinders > were trued using Sunnen hone and valve seat inserts installed (seats > haven't been ground down at angle yet.) Needless to say I was impressed > with the machinist(s) at Carquest. Block had to be sent some 300 miles > away to another Carquest for the seats at no extra charge. I'm glad to > see this kind of service!! > They did not shave too much..just enough to true the sealing surfaces on > block and Head/hopper. > > You can make this picture bigger by clicking on the + sign below the > picture. > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2846441900039077051BSTlJG > > I'll be talking to them on some of my machining needs for sure. > > Little chilly here at 6 below...'bout right for this time of year. > > Regards, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Jan 13 07:59:40 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:59:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Contact info for Alec Stevens? Message-ID: <20070113.105952.972.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tommy, THis is what I have Stevens Alec J. 80 Leighton Rd. Suite C Falmouth, Maine 04105 USA (207)797-5169 1lunger at maine.rr.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jan 13 08:31:24 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:31:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there is a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a few times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do not want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 years old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get regular "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it just to use for a short time. Any answers will be appreciated. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 13 08:45:39 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:45:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo Rollr HU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1168706739.45a90cb3e4f45@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Rick, If you need to replace a missing engine tag, Jerry Evans does fantastic work. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm All Jerry needs is a pic to work from and I can take a good pic of my Rollr tag if needed. See ya, Arnie Quoting Richard Strobel : > Now I just gotta find that damn tag for him...aarrghh From edurand at cybertron.com Sat Jan 13 09:49:02 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:49:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: You -may- be able to get the battery to take a decent charge by equalizing the cells. Do this by hitting it really hard with a quick charger. You'll need to put about 15 Volts on it until all the cells start gassing (bubbles coming from the plates). After all the cells start gassing, go back to a constant current charge (like from an el-cheapo "trickle" charger) at 10 Amps or so for about ten hours. See if that helps. If the capacity has risen but is not to par yet, you could try doing it again. Be careful of the gas that is liberated by this kind of charging. You could have an uplifting experience! Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:31 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > > Hi All, > I know this is off topic but my > experience has shown that there is > a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone > has a fix for me. > > Is there a way to do something to a car > battery that is poked. I > have a friend who imports batteries and have > ordered a new one from him but > his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need > to use this vehicle a few > times in that time. (I have other vehicles with > good batteries but do not > want to have to hassle with swopping batteries > all the time). > > It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the > sealed "Low Maintenance kind > - it's got filler caps to top up the water with > and only just over 2 years > old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the > battery does not get regular > "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. > > It struck me that there may be a way of > temporarily reviving it > just to use for a short time. > > Any answers will be appreciated. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oiseming at moscow.com Sat Jan 13 10:16:39 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:16:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <200701131816.l0DIGjEN077119@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:31 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? Hi All, I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there is a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a few times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do not want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 years old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get regular "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it just to use for a short time. Any answers will be appreciated. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We have a battery maintainer (float charger) that has a pulse charging feature. The manufacturer claims it rejuvenates sulfated batteries. I have no idea if it works or if it is a snake-oil gimmick. You might want to do some Googling and search for pulse-charging information. Orrin From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 13 10:30:22 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:30:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo Rollr HU References: <1168706739.45a90cb3e4f45@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Thanks Arn..I've got Jerry in mind. As you probably know, the model/serial number (HU 10675) is nicely stamped on the block. Wonder if you or someone could date this engine for my friend (he doesn't type.) He's also ordered a decal from Starbolt and is very happy, but I think he prolly got the wrong one. On the finer note, I am slowly getting this cyberbox room cleaned up. "Back to lookin'" Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo Rollr HU > Hey Rick, > > If you need to replace a missing engine tag, Jerry Evans does fantastic > work. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > All Jerry needs is a pic to work from and I can take a good pic of my > Rollr tag > if needed. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Richard Strobel : > > > Now I just gotta find that damn tag for him...aarrghh > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jan 13 10:35:16 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:35:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <200701131700.l0DH05eQ009039@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113203408.00ab8bf8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 13/01/2007, you wrote: >Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo Rollr HU >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <1168706739.45a90cb3e4f45 at webmail.city-net.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Hey Rick, >If you need to replace a missing engine tag, Jerry Evans does fantastic work. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > >All Jerry needs is a pic to work from and I can take a good pic of my >Rollr tag >if needed. >See ya, Arnie Thanks for the Punt Arnie. Free advertising always gracefully accepted :-) Jerry Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From BillMil357 at aol.com Sat Jan 13 11:38:08 2007 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:38:08 EST Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? Message-ID: Hi Elden, Did you get my message I sent you about three days ago about a battery charger, I am sorry I think I called you Edward instead of Eldon, but if you can tell me something on the battery charger I will sure appreciate it. Thanks a million, Bill Miller. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 13 12:54:56 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:54:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo Rollr HU In-Reply-To: References: <1168706739.45a90cb3e4f45@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1168721696.45a94720aba80@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rick, I think Coolspring got the Novo factory records from Wendol. However, I don't think that they come forward to the Rollr engines. It couldn't hurt to call and ask. FWIW, my Novo Rollr Bulletin #146 that includes detailed info on the HU model is dated March 1931. See ya, Arnie Quoting Richard Strobel : > Thanks Arn..I've got Jerry in mind. As you probably know, the model/serial > number (HU 10675) is nicely stamped on the block. Wonder if you or someone > could date this engine for my friend (he doesn't type.) He's also ordered a > decal from Starbolt and is very happy, but I think he prolly got the wrong > one. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Jan 13 16:48:41 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:48:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20070113214850.DD65E228463@md5.pennswoods.net> Jerry try a aspirin in each cell before the quick charge it has worked for me R Fink At 06:31 PM 1/13/2007 +0200, you wrote: >Hi All, > I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that > there is a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. > > Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is > poked. I have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new > one from him but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to > use this vehicle a few times in that time. (I have other vehicles > with good batteries but do not want to have to hassle with swopping > batteries all the time). > > It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low > Maintenance kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with > and only just over 2 years old but I very seldom use this vehicle > so the battery does not get regular "excercise" and now does not > hold a charge for very long. > > It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily > reviving it just to use for a short time. > > Any answers will be appreciated. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Tel. (016) 365-5787 >Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >Cell: 083 293 7191 >Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >www.oldengine.org/members/evans > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Jan 13 14:50:09 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:50:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20070113214850.DD65E228463@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <004e01c73765$303fca60$ab44e5d8@HP28276676518> Jerry, If that doesn't work take two asprin and call Dr. John tomorrow morning. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > Jerry try a aspirin in each cell before the quick charge it has worked for > me > R Fink > > > > At 06:31 PM 1/13/2007 +0200, you wrote: >>Hi All, >> I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there >> is a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. >> >> Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I >> have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him >> but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a >> few times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do >> not want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). >> >> It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance >> kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 >> years old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get >> regular "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. >> >> It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it >> just to use for a short time. >> >> Any answers will be appreciated. >> >>Keep the revs up (or down) >>Jerry Evans >>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >>Tel. (016) 365-5787 >>Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >>Cell: 083 293 7191 >>Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >>www.oldengine.org/members/evans >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 > 2:04 PM > > From edurand at cybertron.com Sat Jan 13 15:01:22 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:01:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill: No, I didn't get a message from you. Please re-send the message. You might want to send it to my regular email address below. I'll be glad to help if I can. Oh, yes - don't worry about the name. As long as the check clears, I'm good with it. :-) Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > BillMil357 at aol.com > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 01:38 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > > Hi Elden, > > Did you get my message I sent you about three > days ago about a battery > charger, I am sorry I think I called you Edward > instead of Eldon, but if you can > tell me something on the battery charger I will > sure appreciate it. > > Thanks a million, > > Bill Miller. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Sat Jan 13 20:39:36 2007 From: dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:39:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Contact info for Alec Stevens? References: <20070113.054127.29529.1914162@webmail25.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <001601c73795$ffa078b0$6400a8c0@Family> Joe, Thank you for that information. Take care. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Contact info for Alec Stevens? > Tommy, this is Alec's email address... Joe Kelley > > > > 1lunger at maine.rr.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com > Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! > http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd?c=uol5752 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paul at semidiesel.com Sat Jan 13 13:04:41 2007 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:04:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Sweatshirt In-Reply-To: <200701022249320125.29B5D583@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200612131031450328.0CECDD56@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612152000010578.1941FFF5@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612182126460359.0E38EAC4@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612212141530234.0A65A7AA@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612222221460921.0FB0ACBC@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612231010200359.123960DA@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612250843070062.1C3664DC@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612272256190078.0AD5877F@heavyiron.atis.net> <200701022249320125.29B5D583@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <45A94969.4050200@semidiesel.com> Hi Spencer, Need a size for your shirt. Do you want the museum logo or would you like the ATIS one instead. Need a postal address as well. Cheers Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 12/20/2006 15:54 From panda28 at optusnet.com.au Sun Jan 14 02:14:03 2007 From: panda28 at optusnet.com.au (panda28) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:14:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? References: <200701131816.l0DIGjEN077119@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <005c01c737c4$b917a240$5c101dd3@panda28> Try A teaspoon full of Epsom Salt in each cell ,worked for me for a few days. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:16 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:31 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > Hi All, > I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there is > a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. > > Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I > have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him but > his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a few > times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do not > want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). > > It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance kind > - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 years > old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get regular > "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. > > It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it > just to use for a short time. > > Any answers will be appreciated. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > We have a battery maintainer (float charger) that has a pulse charging > feature. The manufacturer claims it rejuvenates sulfated batteries. I have > no idea if it works or if it is a snake-oil gimmick. > > You might want to do some Googling and search for pulse-charging > information. > > Orrin > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 13/01/07 5:40 PM > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 14 04:42:27 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:42:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo Rollr HU References: <1168706739.45a90cb3e4f45@webmail.city-net.com> <1168721696.45a94720aba80@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Thanks Arn..I had a wild-assed BF that maybe Timpken would be a clue, but they go back to 1898. http://www.timken.com/aboutus/history/ We do have the history on this engine. Ran in an out-building at Eddy's Bakery, here in Helena, Mt. driving a lineshaft for mixers, etc., so that' pretty cool. Eddy's is an icon in Montana. We know a lady who worked there and she remembers engines running in the shed. Well still no tag, but I finally found the floor in the computer room :-) Later, Rick > Hi Rick, > > I think Coolspring got the Novo factory records from Wendol. > However, I don't think that they come forward to the Rollr engines. > It couldn't hurt to call and ask. > > FWIW, my Novo Rollr Bulletin #146 that includes detailed info on the HU > model is > dated March 1931. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Richard Strobel : > > > Thanks Arn..I've got Jerry in mind. As you probably know, the > > model/serial > > number (HU 10675) is nicely stamped on the block. Wonder if you or > > someone > > could date this engine for my friend (he doesn't type.) He's also > > ordered a > > decal from Starbolt and is very happy, but I think he prolly got the > > wrong > > one. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From svsuzanne at earthlink.net Sun Jan 14 10:19:23 2007 From: svsuzanne at earthlink.net (DAN RICHARDSON) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:19:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? Message-ID: <380-220071014181923212@earthlink.net> When I was a kid we would take the battery, pour off the electrolite, rinse it out really well, and refill it with new electrolite. Usually got a few more months use out of it. Be carefull with the acid. > [Original Message] > From: Orrin Iseminger > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 1/13/2007 1:47:50 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:31 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > Hi All, > I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there is > a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. > > Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I > have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him but > his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a few > times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do not > want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). > > It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance kind > - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 years > old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get regular > "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. > > It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it > just to use for a short time. > > Any answers will be appreciated. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > We have a battery maintainer (float charger) that has a pulse charging > feature. The manufacturer claims it rejuvenates sulfated batteries. I have > no idea if it works or if it is a snake-oil gimmick. > > You might want to do some Googling and search for pulse-charging > information. > > Orrin > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 2:04 PM From driggars at wildblue.net Sun Jan 14 11:21:13 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:21:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <380-220071014181923212@earthlink.net> References: <380-220071014181923212@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45AA82A9.1000904@wildblue.net> You can take the old acid in a plastic bucket, let it evaporate down to a solid,, then if you wish, this is good for a fertilizer or the very small amount of solid can be disposed at the city landfill in he right department Clint DAN RICHARDSON wrote: > When I was a kid we would take the battery, pour off the electrolite, rinse > it out really well, and refill it with new electrolite. Usually got a few > more months use out of it. Be carefull with the acid. > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Orrin Iseminger >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 1/13/2007 1:47:50 PM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans >> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:31 AM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >> >> Hi All, >> I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there >> > is > >> a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. >> >> Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I >> have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him >> > but > >> his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a few >> times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do not >> want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). >> >> It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance >> > kind > >> - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 >> > years > >> old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get >> > regular > >> "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. >> >> It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it >> just to use for a short time. >> >> Any answers will be appreciated. >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> We have a battery maintainer (float charger) that has a pulse charging >> feature. The manufacturer claims it rejuvenates sulfated batteries. I >> > have > >> no idea if it works or if it is a snake-oil gimmick. >> >> You might want to do some Googling and search for pulse-charging >> information. >> >> Orrin >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: >> > 1/12/2007 2:04 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Sun Jan 14 11:27:43 2007 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:27:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Lauson question Message-ID: All, I recently acquired a new toy, It is a 1 1/2 hp John Lauson made in Wisconsin. I have been looking around and have not found any serial number information. It is a hit and miss, spark plug engine with a Wico mag and dishpan flywheels, the serial number is 1463. It was nicely restored ~ 20 years ago and last run ~10 years ago. After spending a couple of hours of cleaning, inspecting, and lubing the only thing it needs to be a runner is a check valve in the fuel line. Does anyone have any idea when it was made? Thanks, Ken Erman ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 14 11:57:01 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:57:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <45AA82A9.1000904@wildblue.net> References: <380-220071014181923212@earthlink.net> <45AA82A9.1000904@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <87cd7be84c6f2ef1eb97e6f23c98afa6@chartertn.net> I dunno. Sulfuric acid never does evaporate to a solid. Anything solid coming out of a used battery would be mostly lead sulfate. Not that great a fertilizer. John On Jan 14, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Clint D wrote: > You can take the old acid in a plastic bucket, let it evaporate down > to a solid,, then if you wish, this is good for a fertilizer or the > very small amount of solid can be disposed at the city landfill in he > right department John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From old_iron at msn.com Sun Jan 14 16:32:04 2007 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:32:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <87cd7be84c6f2ef1eb97e6f23c98afa6@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Bill said just go to your local "junk yard" give the guy $10 get a used battery and save yourself the hassel and possible trip to the hospital when one or most of the before mentioned methods cause a burn or it explodes. Bill & Peg Pfeiffer >From: John Culp >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:57:01 -0500 > >I dunno. Sulfuric acid never does evaporate to a solid. Anything solid >coming out of a used battery would be mostly lead sulfate. Not that great a >fertilizer. > >John > >On Jan 14, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Clint D wrote: > >>You can take the old acid in a plastic bucket, let it evaporate down to a >>solid,, then if you wish, this is good for a fertilizer or the very small >>amount of solid can be disposed at the city landfill in he right >>department > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 14 17:34:11 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:34:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? References: Message-ID: <00b701c73845$423532b0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Yeah, and check out the junk guy's clothes, they're probably full of holes too. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > Bill said just go to your local "junk yard" give the guy $10 get a used > battery and save yourself the hassel and possible trip to the hospital > when one or most of the before mentioned methods cause a burn or it > explodes. > > > Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > > >>From: John Culp >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >>Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:57:01 -0500 >> >>I dunno. Sulfuric acid never does evaporate to a solid. Anything solid >>coming out of a used battery would be mostly lead sulfate. Not that great >>a fertilizer. >> >>John >> >>On Jan 14, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Clint D wrote: >> >>>You can take the old acid in a plastic bucket, let it evaporate down to a >>>solid,, then if you wish, this is good for a fertilizer or the very small >>>amount of solid can be disposed at the city landfill in he right >>>department >> >> >>John Culp >>Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 14 18:36:25 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:36:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Info for Mike Tucker Message-ID: <45AAE8A9.9010804@scrtc.com> Mike, I don't have your email address here at home but last summer you asked about a rotary water pump for your 4 HP IHC. There was some discussion on the SEL about it but I don't think anyone on the list was able to produce a photo of one for you. There is one on ebay right now and you can see what they look like. Its item number: 330074054101 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jan 14 18:41:52 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:41:52 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001d01c7384e$bce07660$790c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Jerry ,why don't you buy yourself a Jump Start Pack. I have a small 6oo amp one ,cost me $36.00 [Australian] very handy .It will start your car when you want to use it . I use mine to run an Engel fridge ,portable TV and many other things .It charges up easily from you cig lighter socket and as a bonus has a flash light . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > Hi All, > I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there is > a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. > > Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I > have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him > but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a > few times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do > not want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). > > It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance > kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 > years old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get > regular "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. > > It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it > just to use for a short time. > > Any answers will be appreciated. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 14 19:25:28 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:25:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <001d01c7384e$bce07660$790c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <00cd01c73854$ce02b240$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Don't do it, Jerry. Your tractor might start in gear, yank the refridgerator plug out the wall, the light might blind you and the thing might just burn your car to the ground by charging it. Oh yes, don't drink anything for a while. It might be battery acid and stay away from the old engines and tractors, they are way to dangerous. Last tag. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start > Jerry ,why don't you buy yourself a Jump Start Pack. I have a small 6oo > amp one ,cost me $36.00 [Australian] very handy .It will start your car > when you want to use it . I use mine to run an Engel fridge ,portable TV > and many other things .It charges up easily from you cig lighter socket > and as a bonus has a flash light . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Evans" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:31 AM > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > >> Hi All, >> I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there >> is a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. >> >> Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I >> have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him >> but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a >> few times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do >> not want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). >> >> It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance >> kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 >> years old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get >> regular "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. >> >> It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it >> just to use for a short time. >> >> Any answers will be appreciated. >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Tel. (016) 365-5787 >> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >> Cell: 083 293 7191 >> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >> www.oldengine.org/members/evans >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jan 14 20:37:08 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:37:08 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za><001d01c7384e$bce07660$790c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> <00cd01c73854$ce02b240$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <000f01c7385e$d4419ea0$cbc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> I have heard but not experienced that some of that beer in SA tastes like battery acid ,he may not know the difference. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Cleveland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start > Don't do it, Jerry. Your tractor might start in gear, yank the > refridgerator plug out the wall, the light might blind you and the thing > might just burn your car to the ground by charging it. > Oh yes, don't drink anything for a while. It might be battery acid and > stay away from the old engines and tractors, they are way to dangerous. > > Last tag. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start > > >> Jerry ,why don't you buy yourself a Jump Start Pack. I have a small 6oo >> amp one ,cost me $36.00 [Australian] very handy .It will start your car >> when you want to use it . I use mine to run an Engel fridge ,portable TV >> and many other things .It charges up easily from you cig lighter socket >> and as a bonus has a flash light . >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Evans" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:31 AM >> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >> >> >>> Hi All, >>> I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there >>> is a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. >>> >>> Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I >>> have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him >>> but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle >>> a few times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but >>> do not want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). >>> >>> It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance >>> kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over >>> 2 years old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not >>> get regular "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. >>> >>> It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it >>> just to use for a short time. >>> >>> Any answers will be appreciated. >>> >>> Keep the revs up (or down) >>> Jerry Evans >>> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >>> Tel. (016) 365-5787 >>> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >>> Cell: 083 293 7191 >>> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >>> www.oldengine.org/members/evans >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: >> 1/13/2007 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jan 15 05:33:35 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:33:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <200701141700.l0EH05qq016563@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701151535375.SM01860@new.databak.co.za> >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >Hi Everyone, Thanks for all the responses I had to this question. I will not mention all the names. My telephone lines were hit by lightning over the weekend so I only got most of the replies today (Monday). I'll let the lists know if I have any success. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jan 15 06:35:06 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:35:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <200701141700.l0EH05qq016563@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070115162143.00aede98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >From: "Elden DuRand" >Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >Jerry: > >Be careful of the gas that is liberated by this kind of charging. You >could have an uplifting experience! Thanks Elden, "Been there - done that" Years ago when I was even more stupid than I am now I had a battery on charge in my workshop. Now this was a clean workshop - for making signs - so I never welded, used an angle grinder or spraypainted in there. Just once I was too lazy to follow my own rules and had a tiny bit of steel to grind so thought "What the Heck, I'll just do it here in the woodwork vice". Of course the battery was on charge about 2 paces away and the grinding sparks ignited it. The worst part was cleaning up and changing my shorts. Then I also had to clean the workshop where everything was covered in battery acid. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From edurand at cybertron.com Mon Jan 15 08:06:11 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:06:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070115162143.00aede98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I had a similar experience but the battery was just sitting there hooked to my genset and I did everything right. One day, after getting out of the swimming pool, I remembered that I hadn't exercised the genset for a while so, dripping wet, I walked into the garage, flipped the ignition and pressed the start button. KA-BLAM! The battery literally exploded, sending acid, pieces of the case, plates, etc. all over the garage. I ran outside and turned the hose on myself and suffered no burns but there are still very faint footprints etched in the concrete from my bare feet as I made a hasty exit. I think being wet kept me from being burned. After cleaning up the mess, I washed off the battery parts and found that one of the internal connections hadn't been made well and fused when I hit the starter. Enough gas was lurking in the battery to cause the explosion. Since the battery was under warranty, I got the store to swap it for a new one. They wanted to pro-rate the warranty but when I whispered sweet lawyers into their ears, they came to their senses. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 08:35 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > >From: "Elden DuRand" > >Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > >Jerry: > > > > >Be careful of the gas that is liberated by this > kind of charging. You > >could have an uplifting experience! > > Thanks Elden, > "Been there - done that" .......................snip.......................... From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jan 15 08:31:18 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:31:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Part Number Message-ID: <45ABAC56.10006@scrtc.com> Can someone tell me if this fuel pump linkage IHC part number is for a 4 HP or a 6 HP? Thanks. G772 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From skipl130 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 09:49:57 2007 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:49:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] IHC Part Number In-Reply-To: <45ABAC56.10006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <43403.96199.qm@web35311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> acording to my book, it's 4 hp. skip Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Can someone tell me if this fuel pump linkage IHC part number is for a 4 HP or a 6 HP? Thanks. G772 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. From oldengin at verizon.net Mon Jan 15 12:24:45 2007 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:24:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za><001d01c7384e$bce07660$790c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> <00cd01c73854$ce02b240$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <000f01c7385e$d4419ea0$cbc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004a01c738e3$36e13910$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> >I have heard but not experienced that some of that beer in SA tastes like > battery acid ,he may not know the difference. Must be drinkin miller beers again? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jan 15 13:15:09 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:15:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Part Number In-Reply-To: <43403.96199.qm@web35311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <43403.96199.qm@web35311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45ABEEDD.4050206@scrtc.com> Thanks Skip. Actually, its the linkage you have for sale on ebay. I need one for a 6 HP and I wanted to make sure that yours wasn't what I needed. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >acording to my book, it's 4 hp. skip > >Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Can someone tell me if this fuel pump linkage IHC part number is for a 4 >HP or a 6 HP? Thanks. > >G772 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >--------------------------------- >Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From skipl130 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 14:49:32 2007 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:49:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] IHC Part Number In-Reply-To: <45ABEEDD.4050206@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <713905.32285.qm@web35309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> sorry tommy. Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Thanks Skip. Actually, its the linkage you have for sale on ebay. I need one for a 6 HP and I wanted to make sure that yours wasn't what I needed. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >acording to my book, it's 4 hp. skip > >Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Can someone tell me if this fuel pump linkage IHC part number is for a 4 >HP or a 6 HP? Thanks. > >G772 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >--------------------------------- >Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. From ihcboggs at jayco.net Fri Jan 19 19:20:42 2007 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne & Casey Boggs) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:20:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2146CA Pulley Message-ID: <000201c73c47$e4917130$3d5328cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Hi guy's I'm looking for a pulley to run a vacuum pump the part # is 2146CA ( 10" dia. for v belt & 6" dia., 2 1/4 face) any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks DeWayne From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 16 07:08:35 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:08:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] For Larry Anger Message-ID: <200701161709796.SM01992@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys - sorry to put this on the list but I'm battling to get mail through to Larry Anger. Hi Larry, Your mail to my other address as well as this one has reached me and I have replied twice to your mail already but keep getting the following error message: "Delivery failed 15 attempts: langer at lbxco.com SMTP connection failed" Do you have another email address or is there something wrong with your mail server perhaps? I will also copy this message to the SEL list - If you receive it please let me know if you have another email address. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 16 07:17:41 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:17:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070116171451.00b0cb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South Africa to bring in the harvest. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jan 16 08:07:39 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:07:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070116171451.00b0cb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Thank you Jerry...now that's something one doesn't see everyday. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:17 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together > Hi All, > Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines > working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South > Africa to bring in the harvest. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 16 08:07:35 2007 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:07:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] For Larry Anger In-Reply-To: <200701161709796.SM01992@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <20070116160736.54600.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Jerry - I now have a reply to my work e-mail address and to your e-mail here on the sel list. Send me the info on my work e-mail address and I'll see if it comes through OK. Larry. Jerry Evans wrote: Hi Guys - sorry to put this on the list but I'm battling to get mail through to Larry Anger. Hi Larry, Your mail to my other address as well as this one has reached me and I have replied twice to your mail already but keep getting the following error message: "Delivery failed 15 attempts: langer at lbxco.com SMTP connection failed" Do you have another email address or is there something wrong with your mail server perhaps? I will also copy this message to the SEL list - If you receive it please let me know if you have another email address. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Jan 16 09:42:51 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:42:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070116171451.00b0cb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <200701161743.l0GHh2kv024846@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:18 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together Hi All, Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South Africa to bring in the harvest. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans ~~~~~~~ Thank you for posting that link, Jerry! For sure, those are some unique harvest pictures. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Jan 16 11:21:15 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:21:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070116171451.00b0cb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <00d401c739a3$7e5c5020$4983fb40@HP28276676518> Thank you for the link Jerry. I throughly enjoyed looking at a huge farming operation. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together > Hi All, > Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines > working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South > Africa to bring in the harvest. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 > 8:25 AM > > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jan 16 11:41:32 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:41:32 -0000 Subject: [SEL] fuller and johnson Message-ID: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guys, I've recentley purchased a neat 11/2 hp F & J fired by a wico ek magneto, it is in running order and just needs tidying up. The engine was originally on a concrete mixer many years ago, there for it was never equiped with a crank gaurd . I would like to fit it with a crank gaurd , any help with dimensions type of gaurd etc would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance Craig in Scotland From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Tue Jan 16 11:56:37 2007 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:56:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070116171451.00b0cb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001401c739a8$73237120$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Jerry; I believe John Deere and Case-IH would like to see the pictures you posted and probably make copies. I don't know how to forward to them or I would give it a shot. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together > Hi All, > Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines > working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South > Africa to bring in the harvest. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Jan 16 13:13:46 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:13:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] fuller and johnson Message-ID: <011620072113.19868.45AD400A000C1A2000004D9C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Craig, Contact Nev Beaty as the one I sent him should have the crank guard and bet he would loan you his to reproduce. regards, Curt Andree > Hi Guys, > I've recentley purchased a neat 11/2 hp F & J fired by a wico ek > magneto, it is in running order and just needs tidying up. The engine was > originally on a concrete mixer many years ago, there for it was never equiped > with a crank gaurd . > I would like to fit it with a crank gaurd , any help with dimensions type of > gaurd etc would be very much appreciated. > > Thanks in advance Craig in Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jan 16 13:18:57 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:18:57 EST Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together Message-ID: Jerry, Thanks for posting the great farm combining photos with the old railroad. Never see that anywhere again! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jan 16 13:44:40 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:44:40 -0500 Subject: Spam/Phish> Re: [SEL] fuller and johnson Message-ID: <20070116.164916.820.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Craig, Congrats on the F&J. I also had a F&J "NC" that was used on a mixer. The idea of it NOT having a crank guard doesn't sound right. Mainly because of all the slop and dust the engine would encounter. Mine had a tin enlosure that may be of interest to you. When the enclosure was taken off, there was no evidence that the engine had a crank guard at all. Therefore, I would suggest that yours might have had something like mine. Take a look on my site www.oldengine.org/members/betz under "My First Engine" and scroll down to the Fuller & Johnson. It's not a good pic of the crank guard - but - I also believe there are better pics of that engine on my Webshots http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz under "Toys". Hope this helps. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jan 16 15:38:31 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:38:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] fuller and johnson In-Reply-To: <011620072113.19868.45AD400A000C1A2000004D9C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <011620072113.19868.45AD400A000C1A2000004D9C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <1168990711.45ad61f75826c@webmail.city-net.com> Damn Curt!! There's a name for THAT sort of behaviour!! Quoting cgandree at mchsi.com: > Craig, > Contact Nev Beaty ... > bet he would loan you his to reproduce. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jan 16 17:38:25 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:38:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <20070116.173825.420.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Over the weekend I picked up an 2hp Fuller & Johnson ND, #177050. Drained the old rotten fuel, put in a new check valve and spun her over. Started up and ran great. I have lost the address of the keeper of the F&J records, would like to find out the information on the engine. Does anyone have his address? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 16 17:47:16 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:47:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - Ethanol in all gas?? In-Reply-To: <1168990711.45ad61f75826c@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000301c739d9$6e2148b0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Just read this on a forum - I say no way! Any other thoughts??? [quote author=farna link=1168821301/0#6 date=1168987087]There is 10% alcohol in ALL gasoline now. That was mandated by the president near the end of last summer. It put a big boost in ethanol production, which was part of the intention. [/quote] From falcon at telenet.net Tue Jan 16 18:35:02 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:35:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Ethanol in all gas?? In-Reply-To: <000301c739d9$6e2148b0$4200a8c0@sheeba> References: <000301c739d9$6e2148b0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <45AD8B56.9010208@telenet.net> True. The only gasoline that doesn't have alcohol in it now is aviation rated stuff. It isn't a big problem except that it makes the gas more hydroscopic. Bill Dickerson wrote: > Just read this on a forum - I say no way! > Any other thoughts??? > > [quote author=farna link=1168821301/0#6 date=1168987087]There is 10% alcohol > in ALL gasoline now. That was mandated by the president near the end of last > summer. It put a big boost in ethanol production, which was part of the > intention. [/quote] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jan 16 18:47:25 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:47:25 -0500 Subject: Spam/Phish> Re: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <20070116.214734.280.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ron, Here are 2 sites I have in the archives. Not sure what they are but I have them under Fuller & Johnson. http://people.ne.mediaone.net/dora9/index.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/lozzi/Index.htm Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Jan 16 18:53:54 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:53:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - Ethanol in all gas?? References: <000301c739d9$6e2148b0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <014001c739e2$ba710670$4983fb40@HP28276676518> Hasn't happened yet in Missouri. There been discussion about the state mandating ethanol, but we can grow corn in the upper half of the state. I think there would be little savings at the pump. Gary > Just read this on a forum - I say no way! > Any other thoughts??? > > [quote author=farna link=1168821301/0#6 date=1168987087]There is 10% > alcohol > in ALL gasoline now. That was mandated by the president near the end of > last > summer. It put a big boost in ethanol production, which was part of the > intention. [/quote] > > >> From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jan 16 19:50:26 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:50:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <20070116.195026.420.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Joe. The second site lists Verne Kindschi as the keeper of the records. I thought he passed them on to someone else. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:47:25 -0500 Joseph L Betz writes: > Hi Ron, > Here are 2 sites I have in the archives. > Not sure what they are but I have them under > Fuller & Johnson. > > http://people.ne.mediaone.net/dora9/index.html > http://www.oldengine.org/members/lozzi/Index.htm > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." > (_o_) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jan 17 07:56:44 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:56:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O/T..ice storms Message-ID: Gawd, I'm glad we don't get ice storms in The Big Sky. Think this pretty much sums it up...chain link fence. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15572&d=1168834749 RickinMt. From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 17 08:46:07 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:46:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor is if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com hawking some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or whatever, please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been getting thousands of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on bounce messages. And they are from as many different peoples email addresses due to a spammer latching onto and using my email address as the source for their spam. So far a sampling of the bounced emails has not shown any email addresses I am familiar with. A large amount of them are to foreign ISPs. Theres many different ways these low lifes get your email address. But I'd be interested to see if its anyone I know and what group of whom I know If any?! thats getting these emails thats supposedly from me. Might just narrow it down some. My guess is they are not spamming anyone I know. My guess is some worm or whatever took it from one of my ebay listings. Or a web site somewhere. I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in 10 plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor soles getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned mail notices. And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. Thanks, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 Verizon Cell #419.516.2996 Mark #330.475.4450 Christine From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jan 17 09:33:13 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:33:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: 45AE5DD9.1040109@scrtc.com Mark, I thought you had just started a new line of work. In fact, my wife read the email that came from you (I hadn't at the time) and said "Do you know Mark Shulaw of Bluffton, OH". I told her sure. She asked if you were truthful. I told her whatever you said, she could count of it. When I walked out of the house this morning she was still trying to dial your number.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com > hawking male enhancement > > Thanks, Mark > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Home #419.358.5206 > Verizon Cell > #419.516.2996 Mark > #330.475.4450 Christine > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 17 09:18:24 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:18:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: 45AE5DD9.1040109@scrtc.com References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> 45AE5DD9.1040109@scrtc.com Message-ID: Hey Tommy, You better keep an eye on your wife. Remember that Mark also deals in Maytags. That "male enhancement" might end up looking like this... http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/03/22/miraclesurgery.shtml?3rdarm See ya, Arnie On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Mark, > I thought you had just started a new line of work. In fact, my wife > read the email that came from you (I hadn't at the time) and said "Do > you know Mark Shulaw of Bluffton, OH". I told her sure. She asked if > you were truthful. I told her whatever you said, she could count of > it. When I walked out of the house this morning she was still trying to > dial your number.... > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com > > hawking male enhancement > > Thanks, Mark From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 17 10:21:43 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:21:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <3146.165.206.180.53.1169058103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> ONE possible cause - there are other scenerios....... You are computer A Another person who has your email address somewhere on their computer is Comnputer B. They may have it in an address book, in Outlook or any other email application (just like we all do since we receive list messages from you with your address in it) or they may have visited a web site that has your address on it, whatever, Computer B has your email address existing in some file or document or mailbox on that computer. Computer C is the innocent person who receives the spam or worm. Computer B gets a worm or trojan either through visiting a questionable web site, or opening an email attachment, or whatever, but Computer B gets an "infection". Spammers now hire virus and worm writers to assist them in spreading their wares/messages. So, that "worm" on Computer B looks for email addresses. It either gathers them and uses them directly, or it sends them out to a web server somewhere. If it uses them directly, it will craft the message and use one email address as the "from" line, the rest it will use as the "To:" line. It spoofs the sender, making your address that if found on the hard drive as the "reply to" person. It then uses its own SMTP server which it installs on Computer B and sends hundreds of messages out all over, each with Computer A address - your address, as the from or reply to line. So any bad email addresses, you get the bounce message because mail administrators are too dumb to set their software up correctly or can't change it or don't care. If it doesn't work directly on the host or infected computer, it sends those addresses it found to another machine which picks an address or more at random to use as the reply to or sender address, and it sends out the spam. For this to work, the "infected" computer is not running good antivirus and doesn't have a decent firewall. So it's possible a list member computer was used to either send the spam, or acted as the source for the email addresses used. Of course, there are other explanations, such as web bots harvesting email addresses from web sites, forums, list servers, you name it. It used to be this is how worms spread themselves, SPAMMERS liked this so well, it's free, clean and simple, so they have hired the worm/virus writers to write little packages up that will do the same thing but use it to send out spam. The United States is the number one source of all spam in the world, sending out over 80% of all spam received in Europe and Australia. Bill > Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor is > if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com hawking > some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or whatever, > please > let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been getting thousands of > Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on bounce messages. And they > are > from as many different peoples email addresses due to a spammer latching > onto and using my email address as the source for their spam. So far a > sampling of the bounced emails has not shown any email addresses I am > familiar with. A large amount of them are to foreign ISPs. Theres many > different ways these low lifes get your email address. But I'd be > interested to see if its anyone I know and what group of whom I know If > any?! thats getting these emails thats supposedly from me. Might just > narrow it down some. My guess is they are not spamming anyone I know. My > guess is some worm or whatever took it from one of my ebay listings. Or a > web site somewhere. > I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in > 10 > plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor soles > getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned mail > notices. > And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. > > Thanks, > Mark > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Home #419.358.5206 > Verizon Cell > #419.516.2996 Mark > #330.475.4450 Christine > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 17 11:32:27 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:32:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117143114.02f6ee10@pop3.wcoil.com> Ouch Arnie, UGH I think I need a shower I feel so violated. Mark At 12:18 PM 1/17/07, you wrote: >Hey Tommy, > >You better keep an eye on your wife. Remember that Mark also deals in >Maytags. That "male enhancement" might end up looking like this... >http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/03/22/miraclesurgery.shtml?3rdarm > >See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 17 10:58:51 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:58:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117143114.02f6ee10@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117143114.02f6ee10@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: It's 'em damn Maytags... I keep tellin' ya... 8-)) On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Ouch Arnie, UGH I think I need a shower I feel so violated. Mark > > > At 12:18 PM 1/17/07, you wrote: > >You better keep an eye on your wife. Remember that Mark also deals in > >Maytags. That "male enhancement" might end up looking like this... > >http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/03/22/miraclesurgery.shtml?3rdarm From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jan 17 15:56:25 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:56:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <71ce67a13c75ca43711145e9298f9e1e@chartertn.net> That happens to everybody sooner or later. Somebody's PC gets infected with one of the worms that sends out spam to everyone whose E-mail address is stored in their computer, using the spoofed sender addresses of everyone whose E-mail's stored in the computer as well. Somebody's computer in the Mindspring domain is sending out Cialis spam purportedly coming from me. I get bounced messages nearly every day. It's not coming from my computer, and I can't do a thing about it. That's just life if you have other friends with your E-mail on their system somewhere and they don't have their PC properly protected. The spammer doesn't have to have your address, he just has to take over the computer of someone who knows you. John On Jan 17, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor > is if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com > hawking some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or > whatever, please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been > getting thousands of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on > bounce messages. And they are from as many different peoples email > addresses due to a spammer latching onto and using my email address as > the source for their spam. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 17 15:59:33 2007 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:59:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together In-Reply-To: <001401c739a8$73237120$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Message-ID: I have forwarded to my friends in service training at Case IH Thanks Jerry Ed Herreid ----Original Message Follows---- From: "armstrong" Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:56:37 -0600 Jerry; I believe John Deere and Case-IH would like to see the pictures you posted and probably make copies. I don't know how to forward to them or I would give it a shot. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together >Hi All, > Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines >working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South >Africa to bring in the harvest. > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Tel. (016) 365-5787 >Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >Cell: 083 293 7191 >Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >www.oldengine.org/members/evans >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.? Get a customized station.? Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 From rex002 at centurytel.net Wed Jan 17 16:41:47 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:41:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000a01c73a99$7094dd80$6500a8c0@home> Mark ; What is this stuff your selling ? does it really work ,how much does it cost ? does the amount you take make a BIG difference ? :-)) Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: > Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor is > if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com hawking > some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or whatever, > please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been getting thousands > of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on bounce messages. And they > are from as many different peoples email addresses due to a spammer > latching onto and using my email address as the source for their spam. So > far a sampling of the bounced emails has not shown any email addresses I > am familiar with. A large amount of them are to foreign ISPs. Theres many > different ways these low lifes get your email address. But I'd be > interested to see if its anyone I know and what group of whom I know If > any?! thats getting these emails thats supposedly from me. Might just > narrow it down some. My guess is they are not spamming anyone I know. My > guess is some worm or whatever took it from one of my ebay listings. Or a > web site somewhere. > I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in 10 > plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor soles > getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned mail > notices. > And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. > > > Thanks, Mark > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Home #419.358.5206 > Verizon Cell > #419.516.2996 Mark > #330.475.4450 Christine > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Wed Jan 17 16:48:56 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:48:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <45AEC3F8.9020501@telenet.net> Mark, Contact your ISP about this. Also you can have them change your account. Then you need to update anything and anyone you have contacted. Oh, one other thing NEVER,NEVER, NEVER..... put your entire address phone and contact info in ANY EMAIL. Unless your 100% sure it is secure and that any machine receiving that email is 100% secure as well. Just gives WAY to much access to other personal info. Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor > is if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com > hawking some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or > whatever, please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been > getting thousands of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on > bounce messages. And they are from as many different peoples email > addresses due to a spammer latching onto and using my email address as > the source for their spam. So far a sampling of the bounced emails has > not shown any email addresses I am familiar with. A large amount of them > are to foreign ISPs. Theres many different ways these low lifes get your > email address. But I'd be interested to see if its anyone I know and > what group of whom I know If any?! thats getting these emails thats > supposedly from me. Might just narrow it down some. My guess is they are > not spamming anyone I know. My guess is some worm or whatever took it > from one of my ebay listings. Or a web site somewhere. > I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in > 10 plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor > soles getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned > mail notices. > And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. > > > Thanks, Mark -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 17 17:03:11 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:03:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <000a01c73a99$7094dd80$6500a8c0@home> Message-ID: <000601c73a9c$6f081ba0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Mark - will you take a check instead of a CC? Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 6:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Mark ; What is this stuff your selling ? does it really work ,how much does it cost ? does the amount you take make a BIG difference ? :-)) Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: > Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor is > if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com hawking > some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or whatever, > please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been getting thousands > of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on bounce messages. And they > are from as many different peoples email addresses due to a spammer > latching onto and using my email address as the source for their spam. So > far a sampling of the bounced emails has not shown any email addresses I > am familiar with. A large amount of them are to foreign ISPs. Theres many > different ways these low lifes get your email address. But I'd be > interested to see if its anyone I know and what group of whom I know If > any?! thats getting these emails thats supposedly from me. Might just > narrow it down some. My guess is they are not spamming anyone I know. My > guess is some worm or whatever took it from one of my ebay listings. Or a > web site somewhere. > I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in 10 > plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor soles > getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned mail > notices. > And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. > > > Thanks, Mark > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Home #419.358.5206 > Verizon Cell > #419.516.2996 Mark > #330.475.4450 Christine > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 17 20:39:17 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:39:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <45AEC3F8.9020501@telenet.net> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> <45AEC3F8.9020501@telenet.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117230549.02f7aaf0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Steve, Thanks for the thought, You're right its not ideal to include contact info in emails but Its kinda hard to not include the info you mentioned when you run a mail order business like I do. I don't take credit cards so I don't have to worry about the security issue there. But since I am constantly dealing with Pay Pal I am having to be constantly vigilant. I feel changing my email address is out of the question because of the mail order. I've got 10 years worth of advertising out there that would become obsolete in a matter of a few key strokes. You would be amazed at the number of people who if a email address no longer works they give up trying to get ahold of you. Its almost like using the telephone is too difficult anymore. I have contacted my ISP and we are customizing a spam filter for my address at the ISP. So far since this morning we have been able to knock it down to a quiet roar. With what was done this morning and early afternoon the filter has weeded out over 3000 bounce and blocked messages so for. With a little more tweeking I hope we can get it down to a couple dozen a day. Instead of hundreds per hour like was happening. But maybe this too is a pipe dream. TTYL, Mark PS: And thanks to all for the the ideas. PPS: I wish I was selling the junk they are, there must be a hellofa market for it if they are constantly going to all this trouble to do it. At 07:48 PM 1/17/07, you wrote: >Mark, > Contact your ISP about this. Also you can have them change your > account. Then you need to update anything and anyone you have contacted. > >Oh, one other thing NEVER,NEVER, NEVER..... put your entire address phone >and contact info in ANY EMAIL. Unless your 100% sure it is secure and that >any machine receiving that email is 100% secure as well. Just gives WAY to >much access to other personal info. > > >Mark Shulaw wrote: >>Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor is >>if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com >>hawking some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or >>whatever, please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been >>getting thousands of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on bounce >>messages. And they are from as many different peoples email addresses due >>to a spammer latching onto and using my email address as the source for >>their spam. So far a sampling of the bounced emails has not shown any >>email addresses I am familiar with. A large amount of them are to foreign >>ISPs. Theres many different ways these low lifes get your email address. >>But I'd be interested to see if its anyone I know and what group of whom >>I know If any?! thats getting these emails thats supposedly from me. >>Might just narrow it down some. My guess is they are not spamming anyone >>I know. My guess is some worm or whatever took it from one of my ebay >>listings. Or a web site somewhere. >> I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in >> 10 plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor >> soles getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned >> mail notices. >>And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. >> >>Thanks, Mark > > >-- >Steve W. >Near Cooperstown, New York > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 17 20:43:49 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:43:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <000601c73a9c$6f081ba0$4200a8c0@sheeba> References: <000a01c73a99$7094dd80$6500a8c0@home> <000601c73a9c$6f081ba0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117234019.02f7b280@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Bill, Heck yes send the checks on, leave the amounts blank and I'll fill that in and send ya whatever I got thats might be kinda worth that amount. I'll see what they have at the local health food store. Need a little more lead in your pencil? No guarantees of course, GRINNNNN. TTYL, Mark At 08:03 PM 1/17/07, you wrote: >Mark - will you take a check instead of a CC? > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 6:42 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: > >Mark ; > What is this stuff your selling ? does it really work ,how much does it >cost ? does the amount you take make a BIG difference ? :-)) > >Rex >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Shulaw" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:46 AM >Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: > > > > Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor is > > if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com hawking > > some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or whatever, > > please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been getting thousands > > > of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on bounce messages. And they > > > are from as many different peoples email addresses due to a spammer > > latching onto and using my email address as the source for their spam. So > > far a sampling of the bounced emails has not shown any email addresses I > > am familiar with. A large amount of them are to foreign ISPs. Theres many > > different ways these low lifes get your email address. But I'd be > > interested to see if its anyone I know and what group of whom I know If > > any?! thats getting these emails thats supposedly from me. Might just > > narrow it down some. My guess is they are not spamming anyone I know. My > > guess is some worm or whatever took it from one of my ebay listings. Or a > > web site somewhere. > > I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in 10 > > > plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor soles > > getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned mail > > notices. > > And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. > > > > > > Thanks, Mark > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > > Home #419.358.5206 > > Verizon Cell > > #419.516.2996 Mark > > #330.475.4450 Christine > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 17 21:26:18 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:26:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral Register Message-ID: <20070118052620.YWSU17919.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> My copy of the Austral Register arrived in the post yesterday. This was advertised in the last TOMM and is more than worth the money. There is an amazing amount of great info in the folder provided and I would recommend it to anyone who has an Austral or even an interest in them. There is all sorts of great stuff included that I had never seen before. My 3.5hp Austral cost ?128 when new in 1917 and weighed in at 28 Cwt! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From marshallman at iprimus.com.au Wed Jan 17 22:25:14 2007 From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:25:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 16 References: <200701161700.l0GH03N4007296@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <003501c73ac9$6a637950$0600a8c0@user783e64edcc> Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South Africa to bring in the harvest. Nice Jerry, VERY nice ...... I'm a big advocate for train transport of goods ..... the B-Doubles are frightening in a Getz! LOL!!!! Jim marshallman at iprimus.com.au 8^) Runnin' with the wind ... From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Thu Jan 18 03:56:00 2007 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:56:00 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Sweatshirt References: <200612131031450328.0CECDD56@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612152000010578.1941FFF5@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612182126460359.0E38EAC4@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612212141530234.0A65A7AA@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612222221460921.0FB0ACBC@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612231010200359.123960DA@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612250843070062.1C3664DC@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612272256190078.0AD5877F@heavyiron.atis.net><200701022249320125.29B5D583@heavyiron.atis.net> <45A94969.4050200@semidiesel.com> Message-ID: <00a301c73af7$9f6555a0$f301a8c0@armstrong> hi Paul I bid for the DVD at the auction but so far have not got any answers from Spencer regarding the payment I have sent 2 emails but no reply. can you help Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Sweatshirt > Hi Spencer, > Need a size for your shirt. > > Do you want the museum logo or would you like the ATIS one instead. > > Need a postal address as well. > > Cheers > Paul > > -- > > Internal Fire Museum of Power > > Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS > > http://www.internalfire.com > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: > 12/20/2006 15:54 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 18 13:01:05 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:01:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <200701181700.l0IH07bk021541@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701182328484.SM01732@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >From: "armstrong" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:56:37 -0600 >Jerry; > I believe John Deere and Case-IH would like to see the pictures you >posted and probably make copies. I don't know how to forward to them or I >would give it a shot. George Hi George, The local distributors know all about it and I'm sure they have informed the powers that be. The farm is actually a big John Deere user but there is a story doing the rounds that the service from JD was not quite up to scratch so they went out and bought the 2 case combines just to show them a thing or two. JD is now giving excellent service again :-) (You never heard that from me) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 18 12:54:31 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:54:31 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <200701181700.l0IH07bk021541@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701182328296.SM01712@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >From: Arnie Fero >Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: >To: The SEL email discussion list > >It's 'em damn Maytags... I keep tellin' ya... 8-)) Now I'm really worried - I bought the Maytag on the auction (in spite of repeated warnings from list members not to). Do they really have serious side effects like this ?? :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 18 12:45:08 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:45:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: (Spammers) In-Reply-To: <200701181700.l0IH07bk021541@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <20070118232800.SM01732@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Hi Mark, Don't worry too much about it - it happens to me all the time - the spammers and their worms forge your address as the sender. In my case it normally goes on for about 2 weeks and then they pick on someone else and it stops until the next time. They do it 2 ways in my case: 1) They will use a legit address from one of my sites such as . In this case there is not much I can do about all the "Mail undelivered" messages. Just takes my time to delete them all. 2) They also use random names, letters and numbers before the "@" sign so you get a sender like . My hosting provider had a mail box called a "catchall" which then forwarded all these to my real address. I just deleted the catchall and that put and end to all of those. It's a damn Pain In the A** that we have to live with these spammers - they are seriously lowlife. The problem is that some people are still stupid enough to buy from them and that gives them the incentive to carry on. If they send out 1 million spams they may get 3 or 4 idiots that do send some money so that encourages them to send out 100 million tomorrow. Totally chews up our bandwith and costs us money and time to delete the stuff in spite of the filters that most ISP's have in place. There seems to be a constant battle between them and the writers of the filters to outwit each other. I've often wished that some big "Mafia Boss" would get Pee'd off with them and offer anyone who kills a proven spammer a massive $$$ reward. We will never get rid of this scum legally so maybe it should be done illegally. I'm not talking about the poor idiot who has allowed his computer to become infected - I want the guys who originate it all. NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM A SPAMMER. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 18 13:15:05 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:15:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Spencer R U There? In-Reply-To: <200701181700.l0IH07bk021541@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701182329578.SM01732@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 15 >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:56:00 +0900 >From: "kevin armstrong" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Sweatshirt >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >hi Paul >I bid for the DVD at the auction but so far have not got any answers from >Spencer regarding the payment I have sent 2 emails but no reply. >can you help >Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong >Collectors of old things >Perth On the subject of the auction - I've sent payment as well as two eMails to Spencer asking if he received it and have had no reply. Are you reading this Spencer - did you receive my mails and payment?? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 18 13:07:20 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:07:20 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <200701181700.l0IH07bk021541@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701182328546.SM01912@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:48:56 -0500 >From: "Steve W." >Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: >To: The SEL email discussion list > > >Oh, one other thing NEVER,NEVER, NEVER..... put your entire address >phone and contact info in ANY EMAIL. I do not know how you can do this - your eMail programme automatically puts you address in as the sender - if you forge this address how will people reply to you? One thing that would help a bit is if people would clean up all the old headers and addresses when forwarding jokes. I often get forwarded mail with pages of previous addresses on them. Also, when forwarding to a list of recipients, please put their addresses in the BCC. field and then they do not get distributed to all and sundry. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 18 13:18:24 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:18:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Trying to get hold of Glenn Karch Message-ID: <200701182329843.SM00968@new.databak.co.za> Hi All, Is anyone in contact with Glenn Karch? He won one of my auction items and I have sent him 2 eMails but have not had a reply. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Jan 18 14:22:49 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:22:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <200701182328546.SM01912@new.databak.co.za> References: <200701182328546.SM01912@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <3b5ec17b94d8083a6fe740a05c63e9e2@chartertn.net> > One thing that would help a bit is if people would clean up > all the old headers and addresses when forwarding jokes. I often get > forwarded mail with pages of previous addresses on them. That is exactly why spammers circulate those jokes. They eventually come back to them with pages of known good E-mail addresses. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jan 18 14:54:56 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:54:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: (Spammers) In-Reply-To: <20070118232800.SM01732@new.databak.co.za> References: <200701181700.l0IH07bk021541@heavyiron.atis.net> <20070118232800.SM01732@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070118172710.02f8bc50@pop3.wcoil.com> I'm not too worried I was just wondering if any of the group were getting these spams supposedly from me. My thinking was that if my computer was raided for my email and maybe others were grabbed too. Then ya'll would be getting them too. But if robbed from my ebay sales page or someone elses comp then nobody here would be getting them. This way I knew if I had to look harder into my machine for problems like spybots that my programs didn't catch. Its probably like you say they just latched onto my legit email address likely from another source to use as a place for the trash to go and to provide a small bit of cover for them. The spam blocker at my ISP seems to be working well. Only a had full thru today. TTYL, Mark At 03:45 PM 1/18/07, you wrote: >At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >>Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: > >Hi Mark, > Don't worry too much about it - it happens to me all the time - > the spammers and their worms forge your address as the sender. In my case > it normally goes on for about 2 weeks and then they pick on someone else > and it stops until the next time. > They do it 2 ways in my case: > 1) They will use a legit address from one of my sites such as > . In this case there is not much I can do about all > the "Mail undelivered" messages. Just takes my time to delete them all. > 2) They also use random names, letters and numbers before the "@" > sign so you get a sender like . My hosting provider > had a mail box called a "catchall" which then forwarded all these to my > real address. I just deleted the catchall and that put and end to all of those. > > It's a damn Pain In the A** that we have to live with these > spammers - they are seriously lowlife. The problem is that some people > are still stupid enough to buy from them and that gives them the > incentive to carry on. If they send out 1 million spams they may get 3 or > 4 idiots that do send some money so that encourages them to send out 100 > million tomorrow. Totally chews up our bandwith and costs us money and > time to delete the stuff in spite of the filters that most ISP's have in > place. There seems to be a constant battle between them and the writers > of the filters to outwit each other. > > I've often wished that some big "Mafia Boss" would get Pee'd off > with them and offer anyone who kills a proven spammer a massive $$$ > reward. We will never get rid of this scum legally so maybe it should be > done illegally. I'm not talking about the poor idiot who has allowed his > computer to become infected - I want the guys who originate it all. > > NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM A SPAMMER. > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Tel. (016) 365-5787 >Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >Cell: 083 293 7191 >Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >www.oldengine.org/members/evans > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jan 18 15:22:48 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:22:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <200701182328546.SM01912@new.databak.co.za> References: <200701182328546.SM01912@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <45B00148.40504@telenet.net> No need to forge the Email address. I am talking about having items like your full name, address, home and cell phone in a message posted online. It doesn't take much more info for a person to become an identity theft victim. Also it is easy to alter an address so that a person replying to you directly only needs to change one item in your address. Yes it means they have to take that step but it also means that a spammer gets a junk address. Take a look at this reply and you will see that I changed the reply to address. Jerry Evans wrote: > At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:48:56 -0500 >> From: "Steve W." >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> >> Oh, one other thing NEVER,NEVER, NEVER..... put your entire address >> phone and contact info in ANY EMAIL. > > I do not know how you can do this - your eMail programme > automatically puts you address in as the sender - if you forge this > address how will people reply to you? > > One thing that would help a bit is if people would clean up all > the old headers and addresses when forwarding jokes. I often get > forwarded mail with pages of previous addresses on them. Also, when > forwarding to a list of recipients, please put their addresses in the > BCC. field and then they do not get distributed to all and sundry. > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jan 18 15:53:50 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:53:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <45B00148.40504@telenet.net> Message-ID: <002401c73b5b$ea460ab0$4200a8c0@sheeba> If I have a message from you, I have your address.......... And so would a spammer who got into my computer. (but they ain't gonna) You'll need to change a bit more.......... Oh - you need to update your software. As I recall, 1.5 will not be supported in a month or two. -0500 Message-ID: <45B00148.40504 at telenet.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:22:48 -0500 From: "Steve W." User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The SEL email discussion list Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:23 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: No need to forge the Email address. I am talking about having items like your full name, address, home and cell phone in a message posted online. It doesn't take much more info for a person to become an identity theft victim. Also it is easy to alter an address so that a person replying to you directly only needs to change one item in your address. Yes it means they have to take that step but it also means that a spammer gets a junk address. Take a look at this reply and you will see that I changed the reply to address. Jerry Evans wrote: > At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:48:56 -0500 >> From: "Steve W." >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> >> Oh, one other thing NEVER,NEVER, NEVER..... put your entire address >> phone and contact info in ANY EMAIL. > > I do not know how you can do this - your eMail programme > automatically puts you address in as the sender - if you forge this > address how will people reply to you? > > One thing that would help a bit is if people would clean up > all the old headers and addresses when forwarding jokes. I often get > forwarded mail with pages of previous addresses on them. Also, when > forwarding to a list of recipients, please put their addresses in the > BCC. field and then they do not get distributed to all and sundry. > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Thu Jan 18 16:40:46 2007 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:40:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 18 References: <200701182328484.SM01732@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <001701c73b62$7915bcd0$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Thx. Jerry. Both J.D. and Case I.H. have gotten bloody noses here for an attitude adjustment when their service lagged so it's probably universal. Nice photos you posted. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 18 > At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >>From: "armstrong" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together >>Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:56:37 -0600 >>Jerry; >> I believe John Deere and Case-IH would like to see the pictures you >>posted and probably make copies. I don't know how to forward to them or I >>would give it a shot. George > > > Hi George, > The local distributors know all about it and I'm sure they have > informed the powers that be. > > The farm is actually a big John Deere user but there is a story > doing the rounds that the service from JD was not quite up to scratch so > they went out and bought the 2 case combines just to show them a thing or > two. JD is now giving excellent service again :-) (You never heard that > from me) > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From glenn.karch at verizon.net Thu Jan 18 15:54:40 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:54:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Trying to get hold of Glenn Karch References: <200701182329843.SM00968@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <007201c73b5c$05fd60f0$1bf8123f@D8LJ7K91> Jerry, Glenn Karch here. Jerry, I just sent you an email. Did it get there? Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Trying to get hold of Glenn Karch > Hi All, > Is anyone in contact with Glenn Karch? > > He won one of my auction items and I have sent him 2 eMails but > have not had a reply. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 18 17:26:25 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:26:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY> I am working on getting a coolant tank built for my 5 HP Stover and I will be using one of the early Stover Cast Iron Stands: See the picture below: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverTankStand1.jpg By using this stand my tank will be up higher than it normally would be if it was mounted at the same level as the engine. My question is how high can you reasonably expect the thermo-syphon effect to push the water up to the top of the tank? I need to know this so I can properly locate my inlet fitting for the intake of water at the top. Thanks, Paul From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jan 18 18:06:01 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:06:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question I am working on getting a coolant tank built for my 5 HP Stover and I will be using one of the early Stover Cast Iron Stands: See the picture below: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverTankStand1.jpg By using this stand my tank will be up higher than it normally would be if it was mounted at the same level as the engine. My question is how high can you reasonably expect the thermo-syphon effect to push the water up to the top of the tank? I need to know this so I can properly locate my inlet fitting for the intake of water at the top. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Jan 18 18:10:46 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:10:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: <20070118.181046.1972.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Paul. Hot water will continue to rise until there is no more up. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:26:25 -0600 "Paul Maples" writes: > I am working on getting a coolant tank built for my 5 HP Stover and I > will be using one of the early Stover Cast Iron Stands: See the > picture below: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverTankStand1.jpg > > By using this stand my tank will be up higher than it normally would > be if it was mounted at the same level as the engine. My question is > how high can you reasonably expect the thermo-syphon effect to push > the water up to the top of the tank? I need to know this so I can > properly locate my inlet fitting for the intake of water at the > top. > > Thanks, > > Paul From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Jan 18 18:12:24 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:12:24 EST Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: Hi Paul, Based on lab experiments with thermo-siphoning, I don't think you need to worry about being too high. Do keep in mind that your return line to the engine should be a couple inches above the bottom of your tank if you want the tank to catch sediment and the line leading from the engine to the top of the tank must always remain under the surface of the water in the tank. So long as you don't have any air pockets in the system, it will thermo-siphon to a tank as in your picture or would thermo-siphon to a tank many feet higher. You see, the return water is slightly cooler and more dense which means it can push the warmer water up. Since if you have the tank higher, both the lines are longer and the difference in balance is determined by the temperature differential. The water can move easily with only a small difference in density. The top line must be below the water surface for the system to balance and the volume of water in the cooling tank that is above the top pipe is how much can evaporate before you need refill the cooling tank. In the lab experiments we used glass containers and clear tubing to carry the water. We would get it started and running and then add a drop or two of dye to the water so we could see it move through the tubes. What really surprised us was how fast the water would move through the tubes with only a small temperature difference. Thermo-siphoning can work very well in moving heat from the engine. Ron In a message dated 1/18/2007 7:46:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: I am working on getting a coolant tank built for my 5 HP Stover and I will be using one of the early Stover Cast Iron Stands: See the picture below: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverTankStand1.jpg By using this stand my tank will be up higher than it normally would be if it was mounted at the same level as the engine. My question is how high can you reasonably expect the thermo-syphon effect to push the water up to the top of the tank? I need to know this so I can properly locate my inlet fitting for the intake of water at the top. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 18 18:23:33 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:23:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY> <000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in > height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jan 18 20:21:37 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:21:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <002401c73b5b$ea460ab0$4200a8c0@sheeba> References: <002401c73b5b$ea460ab0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <45B04751.2080703@telenet.net> I didn't bother altering the rest. Not really worried about it myself. No need to update since I like 1.5 and don't use support anyway. Plus I'm not big on the current version. Bill Dickerson wrote: > If I have a message from you, I have your address.......... And so would a > spammer who got into my computer. (but they ain't gonna) > > You'll need to change a bit more.......... > Oh - you need to update your software. As I recall, 1.5 will not be > supported in a month or two. > > -0500 > Message-ID: <45B00148.40504 at telenet.net> > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:22:48 -0500 > From: "Steve W." > User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:23 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: > > No need to forge the Email address. I am talking about having items like > your full name, address, home and cell phone in a message posted online. > It doesn't take much more info for a person to become an identity theft > victim. > Also it is easy to alter an address so that a person replying to you > directly only needs to change one item in your address. Yes it means they > have to take that step but it also means that a spammer gets a junk address. > > Take a look at this reply and you will see that I changed the reply to > address. > > Jerry Evans wrote: >> At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >>> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:48:56 -0500 >>> From: "Steve W." >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> >>> >>> Oh, one other thing NEVER,NEVER, NEVER..... put your entire address >>> phone and contact info in ANY EMAIL. >> I do not know how you can do this - your eMail programme >> automatically puts you address in as the sender - if you forge this >> address how will people reply to you? >> >> One thing that would help a bit is if people would clean up >> all the old headers and addresses when forwarding jokes. I often get >> forwarded mail with pages of previous addresses on them. Also, when >> forwarding to a list of recipients, please put their addresses in the >> BCC. field and then they do not get distributed to all and sundry. >> >> >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Tel. (016) 365-5787 >> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >> Cell: 083 293 7191 >> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >> www.oldengine.org/members/evans >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jan 18 20:35:46 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:35:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY><000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in >> height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 18 23:36:22 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:36:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY><000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY> <000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001601c73b9c$856145b0$ac59693a@Edd> Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and the water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows over the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these engines will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W has the top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing as the Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it heats up. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? > Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "R & M Ingold" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> >> >>> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in >>> height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jan 19 00:01:49 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:01:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY><000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY><000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001601c73b9c$856145b0$ac59693a@Edd> Message-ID: <015401c73ba0$15e62940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> So? Ok, have it your way. I aint here for an argument! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and > the water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows > over the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these > engines will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W > has the top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing > as the Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it > heats up. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? >> Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Maples" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> >> >>> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>> >>> >>>> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in >>>> height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. >>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Jan 19 00:50:58 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:50:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY><000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY><000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><001601c73b9c$856145b0$ac59693a@Edd> <015401c73ba0$15e62940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001201c73ba6$f6f48b60$3fc931cb@ogborneuah38i3> I'm frightened to make a comment! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > So? Ok, have it your way. I aint here for an argument! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edd Payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and >> the water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows >> over the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these >> engines will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W >> has the top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing >> as the Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it >> heats up. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "R & M Ingold" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> >> >>> If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? >>> Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Paul Maples" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>> >>> >>>> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>>> >>>> >>>>> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference >>>>> in height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. >>>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Jan 19 02:07:45 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:07:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY><000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY><000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><001601c73b9c$856145b0$ac59693a@Edd><015401c73ba0$15e62940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001201c73ba6$f6f48b60$3fc931cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002c01c73bb1$ab286570$ac59693a@Edd> WHY.I only entered the thread with a fact that I know as I have these engines and was trying to add what my experience has shown just like the others that have commented.Reg why do you think I was looking for an argument or even trying to start one. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > I'm frightened to make a comment! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 4:01 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> So? Ok, have it your way. I aint here for an argument! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Edd Payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> >> >>> Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and >>> the water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows >>> over the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these >>> engines will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover >>> W has the top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same >>> thing as the Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe >>> as it heats up. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>> >>> >>>> If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? >>>> Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. >>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Paul Maples" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>>> >>>> >>>>> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference >>>>>> in height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. >>>>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Fri Jan 19 03:53:45 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 3:53:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: <1576242077.1169207625927.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> ---- Edd Payne wrote: > Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and the > water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows over > the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these engines > will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W has the > top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing as the > Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it heats up. > EDD PAYNE Your engine isn't thermo-syphon, I would say it's percolating cooling, don't know if that's the correct term. Thermo-syphon has to have everything under water to work. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Fri Jan 19 04:29:06 2007 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:29:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <001601c73b9c$856145b0$ac59693a@Edd> Message-ID: I've never paid that much attention to those, I thought they had a water pump but still i'm having a hard time seeing how that worked with the water line below the port. I'm thinking I might do a little experiment with this, but I seen a tractor with I thermo-siphon setup over heat from the water line falling below the top port on the radiator. The water that was in the engine stayed level with the radiator, but the water in the engine boiled off instead of flowing up and out the top port on the radiator. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and the > water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows over > the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these engines > will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W has the > top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing as the > Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it heats up. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > > > If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? > > Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Maples" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > > > > >> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "R & M Ingold" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > >> > >> > >>> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in > >>> height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. > >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. > >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 19 05:11:21 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:11:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B0C379.1080703@imc-group.com> I think JB's coining of the term percolating cooling is an excellent description. These Moguls have the screen cooler mounted high above the engine so that the contents of the water in the pan can all drain and fill the block and head of the engine. There is no circulation of the waterjacket water as the engine heats up, until it reaches 212? F. Only when the water starts to boil do you see water making it up the return line and to the distribution tube across the top of the screen cooler. You see a healthy mix of steam out of the tube as well. This is probably an ideal operating condition for our engines at shows. Since we hardly work the engines allowing them to get really hot, this style cooling system assures you get to at least 212? F. This is a vastly different cooling system than the traditional thermosiphon system. With TS as soon as there is a few degrees of differential temperature, circulation begins and the block and head temperature is never warmer than the water in the tank. With a loafing engine this leads to all kinds of water and combustions products condensing on the cylinder and head walls of the engine. A lot of times when slow running a hit and miss engines I'll eliminate the water just to assure the engine gets warm enough to run decent. The walking beam Alamo I finished last summer has a fixed volume water pump. I set up a bypass loop that allows the pump to continue working and pumping water thru the trickle down tray cooler, yet thru a valve I can independently control the flow thru the engine. When cold the water is completely off to the engine and once hot enough that I can't keep a hand on the cylinder head, I'll crack the valve open a 1/4 turn and allow a small amount of water to flow thru the head and cylinder. This has really worked out well and I think I'll add the same feature to the 8HP screen cooled Famous. It has WAY too much cooling for the work I can put on the saw blade. Running hotter would be very beneficial. Curt Holland Gastonia. NC Andrew wrote: >I've never paid that much attention to those, I thought they had a water >pump but still i'm having a hard time seeing how that worked with the >water line below the port. I'm thinking I might do a little experiment >with this, but I seen a tractor with I thermo-siphon setup over heat from >the water line falling below the top port on the radiator. The water that >was in the engine stayed level with the radiator, but the water in the >engine boiled off instead of flowing up and out the top port on the >radiator. > >>From Andrew at >tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com >engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com >b10730 at hotmail.com > >Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ >http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ > >On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > > > >>Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and the >>water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows over >>the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these engines >>will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W has the >>top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing as the >>Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it heats up. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >> >> From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 19 05:14:51 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:14:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <1576242077.1169207625927.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> References: <1576242077.1169207625927.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> Message-ID: <45B0C44B.6070604@imc-group.com> Just thought of something else related to percolating cooling. Is it a Moore engine that has a little screen cooler resting on the top of the water hopper opening? Seems like boiling water percolates up and down thru this screen cooler. Any one recall? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC jbcast at charter.net wrote: >---- Edd Payne wrote: > > >>Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and the >>water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows over >>the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these engines >>will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W has the >>top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing as the >>Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it heats up. >>EDD PAYNE >> >> >Your engine isn't thermo-syphon, I would say it's percolating cooling, don't know if that's the correct term. Thermo-syphon has to have everything under water to work. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jan 19 06:59:40 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:59:40 EST Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: In a message dated 1/19/2007 8:16:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: This has really worked out well and I think I'll add the same feature to the 8HP screen cooled Famous. Curt, If you figure out a simple way to do this to the Famous with all the threaded pipe, let me know and I will probably do it to my 6hp. Thanks Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 18 18:22:44 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:22:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <20070118.181046.1972.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <010101c73b70$b5195260$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Ron, this helps a lot. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > Hi Paul. > Hot water will continue to rise until there is no more up. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:26:25 -0600 "Paul Maples" > writes: >> I am working on getting a coolant tank built for my 5 HP Stover and I >> will be using one of the early Stover Cast Iron Stands: See the >> picture below: >> From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 19 08:11:36 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:11:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B0EDB8.8000109@imc-group.com> Tom, You are spot on, it won't be easy! The Alamo plumbing job took a full 8 hours to complete. I was damned sick of threading pipe by hand by the end! Curt Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >Curt, > >If you figure out a simple way to do this to the Famous with all the threaded >pipe, let me know and I will probably do it to my 6hp. > >Thanks > > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >Germoamer at aol.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 18 18:35:47 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:35:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: Message-ID: <010b01c73b72$87482030$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Ron, this is an excellent description of the process and even a dumb Arky like me can understand this. Reading your description it makes me think this would be a nice science project sometime since I am still raising kids at 62. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > Hi Paul, > Based on lab experiments with thermo-siphoning, I don't think you need to > worry about being too high. Do keep in mind that your return line to the > engine should be a couple inches above the bottom of your tank if you want > the > tank to catch sediment and the line leading from the engine to the top of > the > tank must always remain under the surface of the water in the tank. So > long as From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 19 11:57:40 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:57:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Trying to get hold of Glenn Karch In-Reply-To: <200701191700.l0JH06SH031569@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701192201140.SM01088@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 19/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:54:40 -0600 >From: "Glenn Karch" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Trying to get hold of Glenn Karch >Jerry, >Glenn Karch here. Jerry, I just sent you an email. Did it get there? >Glenn Karch >Hercules Historian >Haubstadt, Indiana, USA Hi Glenn, Nothing here yet but I've solved the problem - directly related to my earlier post about spam. Some time ago I was getting a lot of Spam from addresses at <@verizon.net> and set up a rule to delete all mail from that provider (I did not know anyone with that address at the time.) I've removed this rule and set up another to put you on my "whitelist" which means it will get through. Sometimes these things happen - blame the filthy spammers . If you would please send it again to the following address and put your name "Glenn Karch" as the subject (without the quotes) and nothing else in the subject line - then it will get to my inbox. Also use your email address as listed on this SEL post. I REALLY HATE SPAMMERS !!! A year or so back someone posted a link to the lists that showed a video of how Muslims punished an informer. it was titled "Impalement" Does anyone remember it? It was brutal, uncivilized, cruel and disgusting but I would not mind if it was applied to a Spammer. Apologies if this offends anyone but that's how I feel about this scum. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 19 10:05:57 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:05:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <200701191700.l0JH06SH031569@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119195530.00acbd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 19/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:22:48 -0500 >From: "Steve W." >Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Take a look at this reply and you will see that I changed the reply to >address. Hi Steve, I reread your post and saw that you mentioned "full name, address, home and cell phone ". I thought you were referring to email address as the discussion was about spammers and they only use eMail. My apologies. I cannot see the headers of your reply because that is all stripped and replaced with the SEL's information by the time it reaches me (as it should be). Anyway most spammers use spiders to trawl the internet and visit websites to strip email addresses (anything with the "@" in the right place) - I'm NOT saying they do not get it from eMail but I think that your normal correspondence with friends and business contacts is fairly safe. Forums, lists and news groups are very dangerous in this regard - consider the SEL archive as an example - a spider would pick up all our addresses there very quickly - if it was up to date . I also have positive proof that they can hack your email service provider and strip eMail addresses from there. My main email address is (I've been connected there since late 1991 - a very early email user) (the addy I use on this list forwards all mail to this one). My mailbox is therefore known as "jerrye" My service provider is "cyberserv.co.za" but their email server has an identifying name (as all networked computers do). The name of this mail server (computer) is "Tahiti" (not quite but close) and the internet email address of this computer is mail.cyberserv.co.za. (of course it also has an Internet protocol number (IP) something like <093:27:6:1> About 3 years ago I started getting spam addressed to as well as spam addressed to . They all got through to my mailbox. These could only have been hacked from my providers site because prior to that I had no idea that those addresses could be used - I was totally unaware that they even existed so there was no way I could have posted them anywhere - yet I suddenly started getting spam to them. For those of you who are probably thinking along the lines of " this guy is crazy - look at all the information he is posting to this list". My Service provider (as many do) allows me to set my own "filtering" rules on the mail server and any mail using the information above is automatically deleted before I even log on. As regards my real eMail address (also mentioned above) - it is already on so many spam lists that it would be crazy to think that posting it one more time will make a difference - I'm quite proud of the fact that I've had this address for about 18 years so there are certain things I've just got to learn to live with. How many of you have been on email for 18 years? I have nearly 300 of my own filtering rules set up on the server (over and above the fact that the service provider also uses pretty sophisticated spam filtering software) and any mail that contains words such as "penis", "viagra", "cialis", "mortgage" (we do not use that word in South Africa - it's called a Bond here) and many more are automatically deleted. I update these rules weekly. In spite of this I still receive at least 100 spams a day and for some reason about 300 on Saturdays - probably because that is when all those poor souls with infected computers are at home and logged on. These are the mails blocked by my providers software and are only stored on his computer so that I can check them to see if no "real" mail has been stopped by mistake. I delete these every evening - takes about 3 minutes of my time and telephone costs. Apologies for the long rant - it's just that "Spam" is one of my "Pet Hates" - second only to our local telephone service provider !! Keep well guys. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 19 12:08:00 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:08:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <200701191700.l0JH06SH031569@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119220630.00abce00@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 19/01/2007, you wrote: >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >I'm frightened to make a comment! Ha Ha Ha - Good on you Peter. Probably better that way. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Jan 19 12:48:30 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:48:30 EST Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: Hi Curt, If you don't want to have to monitor the temperature by hand, you might place an automobile thermostat in the top line. I did this with a little Kubota L175 2 cylinder diesel which is thermo-syphon cooling using a fan and radiator but no water pump. When I bought it I looked for any way that engine could ever warm up when it wasn't working hard. I found none. So, I found an automobile 180?F thermostat that I could put inside the top radiator hose, holding it between two clamps. I did drill a small hole in the thermostat frame and lined it up to allow any air bubbles to escape easily. It worked well as the engine would warm up nicely in winter weather and it did not overheat in summer when pulling a bush hog. Regards, Ron In a message dated 1/19/2007 7:16:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: The walking beam Alamo I finished last summer has a fixed volume water pump. I set up a bypass loop that allows the pump to continue working and pumping water thru the trickle down tray cooler, yet thru a valve I can independently control the flow thru the engine. When cold the water is completely off to the engine and once hot enough that I can't keep a hand on the cylinder head, I'll crack the valve open a 1/4 turn and allow a small amount of water to flow thru the head and cylinder. This has really worked out well and I think I'll add the same feature to the 8HP screen cooled Famous. It has WAY too much cooling for the work I can put on the saw blade. Running hotter would be very beneficial. Curt Holland Gastonia. NC From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 19 12:56:56 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:56:56 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T.Report back on the Battery Fix (with a big grin) Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119222247.00acbd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Thanks for all the replies and suggestions to last weeks (Off Topic) post re how to revive an old battery. This thread went much further and had more replies than I normally get for "On Topic" stuff. I promised an update so here it is. For all those who suggested buying expensive (or not so expensive) things like special chargers or other equipment and even buying a new battery - I think you missed the point or did not read the original mail so I'll recap. I had a 2 year old battery in one of my vehicles that was poked because I seldom use it . I had already ordered another battery from a friend who imports batteries but his shipment was only due in 2 weeks. I rarely use this vehicle but had a need to do so at this time and did not want to be hassled with switching batteries from other vehicles. I was wondering if there was something that I could do to THAT battery to give it about another 2 weeks life. The reason for ordering from my friend was threefold: 1) His imported batteries are better than our locally manufactured ones. They normally last longer. Our local batteries have a 1 year guarantee and last exactly 366 days. 2) I prefer to support friends. 3) He gives me a good discount . I got many constructive suggestions for which I am very thankful but I never tried any of them because the problem was resolved by the vehicle itself. The diesel fuel pump "packed up" so I could not use it anyway. (this is where the "Big Grin" comes in). I still have the battery (new one arrives this week) and out of interest will follow some of the suggestions I got. It seems like a good idea to knock it on the paving a bit and then drain and flush the thing (naked in the moonlight). I'll be doing this as an experiment to see if I can get a bit more life out of it - not to save on the cost of replacing it. Cheers for now and thanks for all the suggestions (good and bad) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 19 12:31:41 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:31:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY><000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY> <000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: G'day Reg, My 7 hp Crossley (aka Fat Bastard) is setup for thermo-syphon cooling. A couple of years ago I had it at Portland and it had a fairly large water jacket leak. I learned to my surprise that it would function on "percolation cooling" as others mentioned. There was steady steam out of the uncovered top cooling pipe with a blurp of water from time to time. I decided that what I actually had was "hopper cooling" with a VERY strange hopper geometry. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? > Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > > > So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "R & M Ingold" > > > >> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in > >> height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. From blcksmth at wcnet.org Fri Jan 19 13:32:07 2007 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:32:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <006e01c73c11$47bfc810$3364a8c0@Eagle> As long as all of the inlet and outlet pipes are below the surface of the water in the cooling tank and there is no trapped air in the system - thermal siphoning should occur. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:26 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question I am working on getting a coolant tank built for my 5 HP Stover and I will be using one of the early Stover Cast Iron Stands: See the picture below: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverTankStand1.jpg By using this stand my tank will be up higher than it normally would be if it was mounted at the same level as the engine. My question is how high can you reasonably expect the thermo-syphon effect to push the water up to the top of the tank? I need to know this so I can properly locate my inlet fitting for the intake of water at the top. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jan 19 14:14:29 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:14:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119195530.00acbd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119195530.00acbd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: > I have nearly 300 of my own filtering rules set up on the > server (over and above the fact that the service provider also uses > pretty sophisticated spam filtering software) and any mail that > contains words such as "penis", "viagra", "cialis", "mortgage" (we do > not use that word in South Africa - it's called a Bond here) and many > more are automatically deleted. I guess you didn't get a copy of your own message back from the List, then. And won't see this reply to it, either. :-) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jan 19 14:23:05 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:23:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1e30e0350db8dde9e370ab3ab263dfd7@chartertn.net> On the thermosiphon cooling system for Dolly the Listeroid I chose to manually control the coolant flow with a gate valve that I put in the BOTTOM line. My reasoning for that was that if I forgot to open the valve, the water in the head passages would boil, but the steam bubbles would percolate up the top line to the cooling tank. As long as the water level in the tank was above the opening of the top line, the water jacket would stay full of water. I made sure the line always slopes upward and could not have a kink to trap rising bubbles. This mode of operation is equivalent to hopper cooling. If a valve (or stuck thermostat) in the top line isn't opened, expanding steam in the head will push the water down and out the bottom line, leaving the water jacket full of steam. The engine will then overheat badly. I made a fitting with a closed off piece of copper tubing soldered into a hole drilled in a pipe plug to insert a cooking thermometer where the top line comes out of the head so I could monitor the temperature. I like to keep it at 200?F or so. It responds very slowly to changes in load. I don't feel a need for an automated system. John On Jan 19, 2007, at 3:48 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Curt, > If you don't want to have to monitor the temperature by hand, you might > place an automobile thermostat in the top line. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 19 23:06:04 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:06:04 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <002c01c73bb1$ab286570$ac59693a@Edd> Message-ID: <5irdmr$3gs87j@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony12.iinet.net.au> Well we have all been informed Edd! I hope you have learned from your inexperience (something this list is so good as correcting) I now know that my tank cooled Corbett Williams has a thermo siphon system, that is until the water level drops .001 below the pipe then it's a percolating system ! Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Friday, 19 January 2007 7:08 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question WHY.I only entered the thread with a fact that I know as I have these engines and was trying to add what my experience has shown just like the others that have commented.Reg why do you think I was looking for an argument or even trying to start one. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > I'm frightened to make a comment! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 4:01 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> So? Ok, have it your way. I aint here for an argument! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Edd Payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> >> >>> Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and >>> the water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows >>> over the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these >>> engines will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover >>> W has the top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same >>> thing as the Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe >>> as it heats up. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>> >>> >>>> If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? >>>> Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. >>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Paul Maples" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>>> >>>> >>>>> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference >>>>>> in height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. >>>>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Jan 20 01:43:49 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:43:49 +0800 Subject: [SEL] fuel supply for engine Message-ID: <000801c73c77$8043f2e0$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Any comments welcome..... I am working on a hot tube engine and the fuel supply is worrying me . I am making an inspirator to supply air to the vapour chamber .The inspirator will have a regulated needle valve fuel inlet into it .From there the normal course of events takes place ,i.e. through the vapour valve and into the combustion chamber.My question is ...getting the fuel to the inspirator.If I have a gravity feed then in the non firing period I will or could flood the fuel vapour chamber.A suggestion has been made that i use a low level fuel tank with non return valve in the line that will only draw fuel as required by the hit and miss valve system. Another idea would be a fuel pump delivering as required.As I have no idea of the make of this engine and nothing to copy from it is all ''make up'' Any suggestions would be most welcome. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Jan 20 01:57:55 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:57:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119195530.00acbd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119195530.00acbd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <45B1E7A3.3020304@steamengine.com.au> Jerry Evans wrote: > I also have positive proof that they can hack your email > service provider and strip eMail addresses from there. My main email > address is (I've been connected there since > late 1991 - a very early email user) (the addy I use on this list > forwards all mail to this one). My mailbox is therefore known as > "jerrye" My service provider is "cyberserv.co.za" but their email > server has an identifying name (as all networked computers do). The > name of this mail server (computer) is "Tahiti" (not quite but close) > and the internet email address of this computer is > mail.cyberserv.co.za. (of course it also has an Internet protocol > number (IP) something like <093:27:6:1> > About 3 years ago I started getting spam addressed to > as well as spam addressed to > . They all got through to my mailbox. > > These could only have been hacked from my providers site > because prior to that I had no idea that those addresses could be used > - I was totally unaware that they even existed so there was no way I > could have posted them anywhere - yet I suddenly started getting spam > to them. > Hi Jerry (and List), They would have found those internal addresses by checking the MX records for your main address. They're unlikely to have hacked your server - you can see them with the name server lookup tool 'nslookup' - here is what I got for cyberserv.co.za # nslookup > set type=MX > cyberserv.co.za Server: 203.12.35.50 Address: 203.12.35.50#53 Non-authoritative answer: cyberserv.co.za mail exchanger = 10 taita.cyberserv.co.za. Authoritative answers can be found from: cyberserv.co.za nameserver = taita.cyberserv.co.za. cyberserv.co.za nameserver = tahiti.cyberserv.co.za. > # MX are "Mail eXchanger" - it is how email actually finds its way from server to server - kinda like a street directory for the postman. All this information is public. Spammers do this not because they want to get you three copies of everything, but because there are two kinds of spammer - there are address harvesters and spam transmitters. The harvesters get paid for each valid unique address they provide to the transmitters - so they cheat (after all they're pond scum) and provide several valid addresses that all point at you. Regards Paul From jbcast at charter.net Sat Jan 20 03:40:30 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 3:40:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> ---- Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring wrote: > Well we have all been informed Edd! I hope you have learned from your > inexperience (something this list is so good as correcting) I now know that > my tank cooled Corbett Williams has a thermo siphon system, that is until > the water level drops .001 below the pipe then it's a percolating system ! > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > Have you ever syphoned water from a container? Hold the hose .001 above the water level and see how much you can syphon. If everything isn't under water it's not a syphon. Percolating is a term I used because I don't know the correct one, but I know what it isn't. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Jan 20 04:04:46 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:04:46 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> Message-ID: <002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> I think percolate was a bloody good description of what happens . Percolate....intrans [lit and fig] To filter,ooze,drip gradually through. You got it JB!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > ---- Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring wrote: >> Well we have all been informed Edd! I hope you have learned from your >> inexperience (something this list is so good as correcting) I now know >> that >> my tank cooled Corbett Williams has a thermo siphon system, that is until >> the water level drops .001 below the pipe then it's a percolating system >> ! >> Ray Freeman >> Perth WA >> > Have you ever syphoned water from a container? Hold the hose .001 above > the water level and see how much you can syphon. If everything isn't under > water it's not a syphon. Percolating is a term I used because I don't know > the correct one, but I know what it isn't. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 20 06:15:48 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:15:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gold on rod Message-ID: "Hey kids, what time is it?" Showin' my age there...anyway after a big screwup, I was forced to melt the babbitt off the rod. The remains after a light brushing were interesting. Just wondering if this was some sort of tinning that Henry used on this Fordson? Any thoughts? This is turning out to be a fun one!! Rods are marked "Made in England". Evidence shows that #3 piston and rod tried to escape and had to be replaced. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2716528920039077051WGbuyX Live is Good..always lookin' for a New Way Mixer...may have to take Arnie and Jerry up on the Novo tag. Thought I found it with the boss' vacuum cleaner, but not to be...found a rock. "Stayin' warm in the Big Sky, Rick PS: Note to self..take the boss' vacuum cleaner to repair shop ASAP. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 20 06:03:42 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:03:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] R&V engine show 2007 Message-ID: As requested... Who knows, one day Pete may rejoin the list and won't need legions of able minions to do his bidding (or posting)... 8-)) See ya, Arnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:53:17 +1100 From: Peter Lowe To: Arnie Fero Subject: R&V engine show 2007 Hi Arnie Can you please post this to the ATIS list please. Pete Hi all One to add to your show register for this year and especially if your an R&V engine owner. The following was sent to the R&V Register, see the attached PDF file, this will also be placed on the R&V Web Site for download by ATIS members. This is a chance for you all to come together and meet other R&V owners, source parts and share information. I will have some input if the club needs help in promoting R&V engines and getting you guys in contact with them. I know it is a long way off but time goes fast if you do nothing. Ed Allandar wrote: September 21-23, 2007 at Lupfer's grove, Shermans Dale, PA. Which is about 20 minutes west of Harrisburg (our State capital). This will be the PCOIC's 14th annual show, last year we had about 150 tractors and 70 engines, we're still growing. We do allow engine folks to camp at their displays, and we try to be as accommodating as possible. Contacts are: Ed Allandar 717-444-7664 bearclaw at pa.net or Dale Rudy 717-834-5429 or PCOIC, PO Box 31, Duncannon, PA, 17020-0031 Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Jan 20 07:12:52 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:12:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <45B1E7A3.3020304@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <003401c73ca5$76e92610$0100a8c0@l2800> Paul - I respectfully disagree - pond scum actually serves a useful purpose in the natural order of the food chain. Your comment actually brings pond scum down to their level, it's much more important than that. Bill > Hi Jerry (and List), They would have found those internal addresses by checking the MX records for your main address. They're unlikely to have hacked your server - you can see them with the name server lookup tool 'nslookup' - here is what I got for cyberserv.co.za # nslookup > set type=MX > cyberserv.co.za Server: 203.12.35.50 Address: 203.12.35.50#53 Non-authoritative answer: cyberserv.co.za mail exchanger = 10 taita.cyberserv.co.za. Authoritative answers can be found from: cyberserv.co.za nameserver = taita.cyberserv.co.za. cyberserv.co.za nameserver = tahiti.cyberserv.co.za. > # MX are "Mail eXchanger" - it is how email actually finds its way from server to server - kinda like a street directory for the postman. All this information is public. Spammers do this not because they want to get you three copies of everything, but because there are two kinds of spammer - there are address harvesters and spam transmitters. The harvesters get paid for each valid unique address they provide to the transmitters - so they cheat (after all they're pond scum) and provide several valid addresses that all point at you. Regards Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Jan 20 07:44:25 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:44:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gold on rod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070120103955.030a3840@pop3.wcoil.com> I've seen golden or bronze-brass colors like that after the use of brass or bronze wire brushes or wheels. Some tins will leave a golden flushed color like that too. Don't know why just know I've seen it before. Have a Great Weekend! Mark At 09:15 AM 1/20/07, you wrote: > "Hey kids, what time is it?" > > Showin' my age there...anyway after a big screwup, I was forced to melt >the babbitt off the rod. The remains after a light brushing were >interesting. Just wondering if this was some sort of tinning that Henry >used on this Fordson? > > Any thoughts? This is turning out to be a fun one!! Rods are marked >"Made in England". Evidence shows that #3 piston and rod tried to escape >and had to be replaced. > >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2716528920039077051WGbuyX > >Live is Good..always lookin' for a New Way Mixer...may have to take Arnie >and Jerry up on the Novo tag. Thought I found it with the boss' vacuum >cleaner, but not to be...found a rock. > >"Stayin' warm in the Big Sky, >Rick >PS: Note to self..take the boss' vacuum cleaner to repair shop ASAP. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 Verizon Cell #419.516.2996 Mark #330.475.4450 Christine From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Jan 20 07:50:40 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:50:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <003401c73ca5$76e92610$0100a8c0@l2800> References: <45B1E7A3.3020304@steamengine.com.au> <003401c73ca5$76e92610$0100a8c0@l2800> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070120104540.030a1400@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Bill, Even the bacteria in a septic tank is way higher on the food chain then spammers. Maybe spammers could be better described as the crud that bacteria eats to keep us safe. Sure hope the bacteria don't get a sour belly after eating a spammer, poor bacteria having to eat something that repulsive. VBG! :-) Mark At 10:12 AM 1/20/07, you wrote: >Paul - I respectfully disagree - pond scum actually serves a useful purpose >in the natural order of the food chain. >Your comment actually brings pond scum down to their level, it's much more >important than that. > >Bill Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 20 08:02:02 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:02:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> <002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Thermosyphoning and Heat Soak Effects by Paul Rollins Q: On some cars the electric cooling fan continues to run on even after the engine is shut off. What's the point? If the engine isn't running, the water pump isn't circulating coolant, so the fan will only lower the temperature of coolant in the radiator and won't affect engine temperature. A: This is not correct. It is indeed beneficial to have the fan continue to run after the engine is turned off. Many early automobiles did not have water pumps. They relied upon the process of thermosyphoning, where the hot coolant in the engine, being less dense than the cooler fluid in the radiator, rises to the outlet and flows into the radiator. As the coolant in the radiator gives up heat to the air and cools, it moves downward and back into the engine. This cycle continues as long as there is a temperature differential between the radiator and engine (and the thermostat is open), whether the engine is running or not. Technically, even contemporary engine cooling systems are pump-assisted thermosyphon systems. The other phenomenon that is involved is heat soak. This occurs because there is a temperature differential (really a gradient) between the engine metal that is not in close contact with the coolant and that which is farther away. When the engine is off and there is not a high airflow through the radiator, the thermosyphon cooling effect is low. This allows heat from these remote areas to flow to areas that are much cooler when the engine is running, resulting in fuel percolation, evaporation, flooding, and coolant boiling. To take advantage of thermosyphoning and reduce heat soak effects, many modern cars use fans that run after engine shutdown. I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to be above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >I think percolate was a bloody good description of what happens . >Percolate....intrans [lit and fig] To filter,ooze,drip gradually through. >You got it JB!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:40 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> ---- Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring wrote: >>> Well we have all been informed Edd! I hope you have learned from your >>> inexperience (something this list is so good as correcting) I now know >>> that >>> my tank cooled Corbett Williams has a thermo siphon system, that is >>> until >>> the water level drops .001 below the pipe then it's a percolating system >>> ! >>> Ray Freeman >>> Perth WA >>> >> Have you ever syphoned water from a container? Hold the hose .001 above >> the water level and see how much you can syphon. If everything isn't >> under water it's not a syphon. Percolating is a term I used because I >> don't know the correct one, but I know what it isn't. >> J.B. Castagnos >> Belle Rose, LA >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.0/639 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 > From edurand at cybertron.com Sat Jan 20 08:27:20 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:27:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070120104540.030a1400@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Mark: I've spent considerable time researching the subject and found that the liquid in the septic tank is composed of a mixture, mostly spammers. The upper layer of sludge is composed mostly of lawyers and the very bottom layer is exclusively politicians. Pond scum is much too high on the chain to have any spammer content. That is reserved for used car salesmen and their ilk. This subject is beginning to stink! Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 09:51 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Spam O.T. > > > Hi Bill, > Even the bacteria in a septic tank is way > higher on the food chain then > spammers. Maybe spammers could be better > described as the crud that > bacteria eats to keep us safe. Sure hope the > bacteria don't get a sour > belly after eating a spammer, poor bacteria > having to eat something that > repulsive. > VBG! :-) Mark > > > At 10:12 AM 1/20/07, you wrote: > >Paul - I respectfully disagree - pond scum > actually serves a useful purpose > >in the natural order of the food chain. > >Your comment actually brings pond scum down to > their level, it's much more > >important than that. > > > >Bill From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Jan 20 10:31:37 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:31:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> <002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: > I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to > be above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam bubbles still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the bottom, or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs to be asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid than the other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other line, so it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is heated. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jan 20 10:31:57 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:31:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <200701201700.l0KH09Vm002063@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070120201901.00b10b30@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 20/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 8 >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:14:29 -0500 >From: John Culp > > > I have nearly 300 of my own filtering rules set up on the > > server (over and above the fact that the service provider also uses > > pretty sophisticated spam filtering software) and any mail that > > contains words such as "penis", "viagra", "cialis", "mortgage" (we do > > not use that word in South Africa - it's called a Bond here) and many > > more are automatically deleted. > >I guess you didn't get a copy of your own message back from the List, >then. And won't see this reply to it, either. :-) > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA Sharp John, very sharp, That's the joy of being able to set your own rules. I have a "higher rated" rule that puts the SEL mail (using the "From" field) into my "Inbox", or, as it did this time because of the offending words it did not delete the mail but put it into a "temporary" box for me to check first. So don't worry, if you guys start advertising "penis enlargement" potions (as Mark did - grin) or suchlike I will still get it provided it comes from the SEL address. The same will happen with this message. :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jan 20 10:46:52 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:46:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <200701201700.l0KH09Vm002063@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070120203330.03017e38@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 20/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:57:55 +1100 >From: Paul Pavlinovich >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. > >Jerry Evans wrote: > > I also have positive proof that they can hack your email > > service provider and strip eMail addresses > > >Hi Jerry (and List), >They would have found those internal addresses by checking the MX >records for your main address. They're unlikely to have hacked your >server - you can see them with the name server lookup tool 'nslookup' - >here is what I got for cyberserv.co.za > >Regards >Paul Hi Paul, Thanks for the explanation - this old brain stops short of all that technical stuff - remembering which direction to crank an engine is hard enough :-) My point was that they managed to get addresses I never even knew existed and they must have come from my mail provider. Wether they did it by "hacking" or other means, they still did it and they did it without permission! I agree about them being pond scum - or lower as other replies have suggested. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 20 11:07:47 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:07:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07><002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <006f01c73cc6$45e64ae0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> I have been trying to find a diagram of cooling system of an engine that showed the direction fo the flow of coolant from the engine through the radiator and back to the engine (heat source). Which way did that show the water to be flowing, from the bottom of the engine into the radiator or, from the top of the engine into the radiator? My then new 1950 Farmall "C" accidently developed a small radiator leak but still cooled ok as long as it didn't loose all it's water.. It didn't have a water pump but I could see the water flowing into the top tank when I refilled it periodically. One issue thought to be a problem on car engines was the coolant flow cooling the block before the heads. The LT-1 Chevy engine (among others) reversed that flow pattern but the design didn't last long and is now back the way it was before as in the LS engines and others except, NASCAR engines. Anyway a flow chart would help nicely. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to be >> above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? > > Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not > mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit > for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. > > Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, > and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam > bubbles still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? > > The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the > bottom, or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs > to be asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid > than the other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other > line, so it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is > heated. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 20 11:23:51 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:23:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07><002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <007801c73cc8$8460f160$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> I got an idea. The thermosiphoning was applied to any old thing that circulated fluids by the addition of heat. Thermocycling might have been a better term for some applications. In my search for thermowhatever all I could find was solar water heating systems. They sound like what you guys are talking about. Thermocycling is what happens to your brains when cycling in the hot sun. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to be >> above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? > > Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not > mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit > for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. > > Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, > and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam > bubbles still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? > > The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the > bottom, or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs > to be asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid > than the other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other > line, so it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is > heated. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 20 11:37:06 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:37:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07><002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <007b01c73cca$5e893860$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Here is an interesting find. Thermosyphon We learnt at school that gases or liquids if heated become less dense and can rise through cooler areas by the buoyancy created. Similarly cooler liquids are denser and fall. This principal is used in thermosyphon cooling. Heat generated in the engine is picked up by the coolant and rises out of the top of the cylinder head progressing up the top hose into the radiator header. Coolant in the radiator is loosing heat and tends to fall to the bottom where it is lead back to the engine at the lowest point. Thus the system works well and responds to changes in load etc by using the laws of Physics as Scotty from Star Trek would have put it. However the system does need certain aspects to be maintained. The radiator top has to be higher than the water outlet on top of the cylinder head with as near a vertical top hose as possible, within reasonable bounds the higher the better, certainly no less than about 4 or 5" and not too far in front of the engine to keep the upward slant of the hose. If the water level drops such that the radiator and top hose are not flooded, the circulation will stop. Large pipes are needed to ensure the limited motion of the coolant isn't restricted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to be >> above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? > > Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not > mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit > for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. > > Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, > and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam > bubbles still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? > > The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the > bottom, or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs > to be asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid > than the other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other > line, so it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is > heated. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 > > From sumron at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 20 12:37:02 2007 From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (Gilbert) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 07:37:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-Syphon , Message-ID: <002401c73cd2$bef403d0$163d6c3a@userecaf7b7be7> Hi there to all on the list, I am an avid reader of the "List" and just love to read some of these comments and do get a lot of hints with problems, etc, when helping my son working on his Engines, BUT this "Thermo - Syphon" question has gone a bit overboard to my thinking, So I just thought ( as a retired plumber) that I would just put in "What does the word "SYPHON" mean. If there is a physical air gap in the water cooling system there is "NO SYPHON" , end of story, Sorry guy's but this has gone too far. John Gilbert Merbein, Vic, Australia From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 20 13:13:04 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:13:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-Syphon , References: <002401c73cd2$bef403d0$163d6c3a@userecaf7b7be7> Message-ID: <00a201c73cd7$c659af30$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> It hasn't gone too far for me, I am getting an education. What I did find is that the demise of the thermosyphon cooling system was partly due to the advent of the cross flow radiator which made things difficult to maintain an air free syphon system. The coolant would just percolate as has been mentioned. This didn't move the coolant fast enough for modern high power applications, a true syphon came close, a water pump became mandatory. Stay tuned. I'll bet there is more to learn every day. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilbert" To: Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Thermo-Syphon , Hi there to all on the list, I am an avid reader of the "List" and just love to read some of these comments and do get a lot of hints with problems, etc, when helping my son working on his Engines, BUT this "Thermo - Syphon" question has gone a bit overboard to my thinking, So I just thought ( as a retired plumber) that I would just put in "What does the word "SYPHON" mean. If there is a physical air gap in the water cooling system there is "NO SYPHON" , end of story, Sorry guy's but this has gone too far. John Gilbert Merbein, Vic, Australia _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Jan 20 16:47:45 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:47:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004801c73cf5$c65769a0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Isn't the cooling on a tractor such as the Farmalls - the F20, thermosiphon? Or technically not? Bill Runnells, Iowa -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to > be above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam bubbles still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the bottom, or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs to be asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid than the other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other line, so it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is heated. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 20 18:24:09 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:24:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <004801c73cf5$c65769a0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <00d101c73d03$3bdc7b90$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Well, acording to this, sometimes it is and sometimes not. If you kept the coolant topped up it was, when it boiled to a low point belowthe top hose it wasn't. Skip thermosiphon Thermosiphon (alt. thermosyphon) refers to a method of passive heat exchange based on natural convection which circulates liquid in a vertical closed-loop circuit without requiring a conventional pump. Its intended purpose is to simplify the pumping of liquid and/or heat transfer, by avoiding the cost and complexity of a conventional liquid pump. Simple thermosiphon Convective movement of the liquid starts when the bottom of the loop is heated, causing it to expand and become less dense, and thus more buoyant than the cooler water in the top of the loop. Convection moves heated liquid upwards in the system as it is simultaneously replaced by cooler liquid returning by gravity. In many cases the liquid flows easily because the thermosiphon is designed to have very little hydraulic resistance. Phase change thermosiphon In other cases when the loop has more resistance to flow, the liquid may be heated beyond its boiling point, causing a phase change as the liquid evaporates to a gas (such as steam). Since the gas is much more buoyant than the hot liquid, the convective pressure is increased considerably. This is known as a heat pipe thermosiphon. It allows the cooling and heating of objects by changing the phase of a liquid inside a closed system, and operates on the principles of buoyancy (gas-phase) and gravity (liquid) to move the fluid through the system. In some situations the flow of liquid may be reduced further, or stopped, perhaps because the loop is not entirely full of liquid. In this case, then the system no longer operates on convection principles, so it is no longer a simple "thermosiphon". Heat can still be transferred in this system by the evaporation and condensation of vapor; however, the system is properly classified as a heat pipe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > Isn't the cooling on a tractor such as the Farmalls - the F20, > thermosiphon? > Or technically not? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > >> I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to >> be above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? > > Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not > mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit > for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. > > Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, > and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam > bubbles > still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? > > The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the > bottom, > or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs to be > asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid than > the > other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other line, so > it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is heated. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Jan 20 18:44:46 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:44:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <007801c73cc8$8460f160$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07><002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <007801c73cc8$8460f160$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <54e2bc49b767ab8e149919e329b360a0@chartertn.net> > Thermocycling is what happens to your brains when cycling in the hot > sun. I've done that. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From glenn.karch at verizon.net Sat Jan 20 19:07:54 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:07:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <004801c73cf5$c65769a0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <000a01c73d09$595f8260$66ae123f@D8LJ7K91> As long as there was enough water in the radiator, the F 20 was thermosiphon. If the water level got to low to thermosiphon, you'd better hunt water fast. Interestingly, the same engine in the T 20 crawler had a water pump. The F 30 Farmall had a water pump. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > Isn't the cooling on a tractor such as the Farmalls - the F20, > thermosiphon? > Or technically not? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > >> I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to >> be above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? > > Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not > mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit > for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. > > Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, > and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam > bubbles > still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? > > The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the > bottom, > or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs to be > asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid than > the > other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other line, so > it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is heated. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Jan 20 22:04:32 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:04:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <004801c73cf5$c65769a0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <008101c73d22$05baa950$4483fb40@HP28276676518> Bill, I can't talk about the F20, but the John Deeres of that era were cooled by thermo-siphon. The operators manual included a nice drawing of the process. It is interesting to note that the top of the radiator is huge compared with the rest of the radiator. Adds a lot of weight that you notice when removing the radiator from a D John Deere. The top of the radiator on the D holds well over a gallon of water. The operator was cautioned to use the shutters on the front of the radiator to keep the temperature at 190* on the guage. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > Isn't the cooling on a tractor such as the Farmalls - the F20, > thermosiphon? > Or technically not? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > >> I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to >> be above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? > > Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not > mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit > for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. > > Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, > and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam > bubbles > still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? > > The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the > bottom, > or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs to be > asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid than > the > other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other line, so > it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is heated. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 > 10:24 AM > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 11:21:53 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:21:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <006f01c73cc6$45e64ae0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> <002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <006f01c73cc6$45e64ae0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <6f6025160701201121v2a05e468m45c9b70cbd6e57ba@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/07, Skip Cleveland wrote: > I have been trying to find a diagram of cooling system of an engine that > showed the direction fo the flow of coolant from the engine through the > radiator and back to the engine (heat source). Which way did that show the > water to be flowing, from the bottom of the engine into the radiator or, > from the top of the engine into the radiator? Out of the top of the engine and into the top of the radiator, and in at the bottom of the engine out of the bottom of the radiator. Heat rises, Skip, so the water will fall in the radiator as it cools and rise in the engine as it heats up. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 02:11:48 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:11:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-Syphon , In-Reply-To: <00a201c73cd7$c659af30$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <002401c73cd2$bef403d0$163d6c3a@userecaf7b7be7> <00a201c73cd7$c659af30$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <6f6025160701210211iffc1d8du7be6f7b78811bf0f@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/07, Skip Cleveland wrote: > It hasn't gone too far for me, I am getting an education. What I did find is > that the demise of the thermosyphon cooling system was partly due to the > advent of the cross flow radiator which made things difficult to maintain an > air free syphon system. The coolant would just percolate as has been > mentioned. This didn't move the coolant fast enough for modern high power > applications, a true syphon came close, a water pump became mandatory. > Stay tuned. I'll bet there is more to learn every day. > > Skip Cross-flow radiators replaced vertical tube rads when bonnet lines dropped and when water pump flow rates were high enough for it to work against nature. Header tanks that were located away from the radiator came in the 1960's. I guess the 1950's was when water pumps generally became a fixture on cars in the UK, our family had an Austin 12 van in 1958 which was purely thermo-syphon for cooling. That was a side-valve engine. The next car was a Ford Consul which was OHV and very up to date, with a water pump as well. We had three of those, one after the other, I guess my step-father liked them! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mullt at att.net Sun Jan 21 07:10:06 2007 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:10:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] First Engine Message-ID: <012120071510.28158.45B3824D0002AF4C00006DFE21604666489B04049A03@att.net> I'm about to "take the leap" and buy my first engine. It looks like it is a 2.5hp IH Model M with a Model L magneto. From the pictures it looks complete. The owner says he has not run it but that it was running when he bought it. He is asking $500. Since I am new at this, I was wondering what I should look at to make sure the engine is in reasonable condition and that I can get it running without spending big $$$. Does the asking price seem reasonable? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. Tom From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jan 21 07:43:12 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:43:12 EST Subject: [SEL] First Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 1/21/2007 10:14:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, mullt at att.net writes: It looks like it is a 2.5hp IH Model M Tom, The M's came in 1 1/2, 3, 6, 10 but not 2 1/2 to my knowledge. Things to consider: Being this is your first engine, take along a collector friend and ask him to help you look it over for completeness/correctness/etc Is it an overstrike or understrike engine? This is the way the ignitor points work that are hooked to the magneto. If the arm trips them on the top side, then overstrike. Bottomside trip-understrike. Understrike engines are worth a little more money Does it have compression. Has anything been broken or weld repaired Are all the parts there Are the valves free and are stems very loose it their guides Is the gas tank not rusted thru and does it have all the proper fuel lines and check valves Is name tag here with serial number to check for year built. Your engine is late teens to early 20's time Any original paint Most parts are available for the M and magnetos can be rebuilt $500 is a reasonable price for the engine provided it does not require much cost to get it in running condition. However, you can find these engines in running condition for less than $1000 Above just some get started ideas and information. Post your photos somewhere and the folks here can look and evaluate more. Good luck on your purchase! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From mogul460 at localnet.com Sun Jan 21 09:15:46 2007 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:15:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: Message-ID: <000801c73d7f$ccd376e0$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Tom, Here are some more suggested items to check: Does it have a name tag and is it located on the front of the hopper or top of the crankcase? Does it have a breather on the rear end of the crank case? Does it have a pulley? Starting crank? Grease cups and oiler? Any welds on the head or water hopper? Fuel mixer valves free? Check flywheels for any cracked spokes and crank shaft not bent (by turning flywheels). Do not turn flywheels until you are certain the fuel pump and valves are not stuck. Is it on original skids? Trucks(cart). Governor fork and sleeve in good condition? Just an opinion. Unless it is an understrike engine or in excellent condition I would consider $500 to be the asking price. Like Tom S. advised see if you can get a engine guy to look at the engine with you. If not guys on the SEL will help you out. Charlie Bryant Jay,Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > In a message dated 1/21/2007 10:14:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, mullt at att.net > writes: > It looks like it is a 2.5hp IH Model M > Tom, > > The M's came in 1 1/2, 3, 6, 10 but not 2 1/2 to my knowledge. > > Things to consider: > > Being this is your first engine, take along a collector friend and ask him to > help you look it over for completeness/correctness/etc > > Is it an overstrike or understrike engine? This is the way the ignitor > points work that are hooked to the magneto. If the arm trips them on the top side, > then overstrike. Bottomside trip-understrike. Understrike engines are worth > a little more money > Does it have compression. > Has anything been broken or weld repaired > Are all the parts there > Are the valves free and are stems very loose it their guides > Is the gas tank not rusted thru and does it have all the proper fuel lines > and check valves > Is name tag here with serial number to check for year built. Your engine is > late teens to early 20's time > Any original paint > > Most parts are available for the M and magnetos can be rebuilt > > $500 is a reasonable price for the engine provided it does not require much > cost to get it in running condition. However, you can find these engines in > running condition for less than $1000 > > Above just some get started ideas and information. > > Post your photos somewhere and the folks here can look and evaluate more. > > Good luck on your purchase! > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/571 - Release Date: 12/5/06 11:50 AM > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 21 07:48:30 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:48:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <012120071510.28158.45B3824D0002AF4C00006DFE21604666489B04049A03@att.net> References: <012120071510.28158.45B3824D0002AF4C00006DFE21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, WELCOME to the list and to the hobby. A good place to start is with the excellent FAQ page that's been compiled. http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html It's definitely better if you can personally inspect the engine rather than buying on words and a picture until you get to know a given seller well. It's even better if you can take an "engine buddy" along to help with the evaluation. Where are you located? One very nice thing about the IHC "M" is that information and parts are readily abailable. Assuming that you can put your hands on the engine... Take a squirt oil can with you. Look the engine over and identify the major pieces and picture in your mind how they'll work. Start at the head end of the engine. Look for obvious cracks and breaks and welds or brazing that would indicate prior problems. Put some oil on the intake valve stem and work it in and out. You want to make sure that its free and see if the valve guide is badly worn. Put some oil on the exhaust valve stem and the rocker arm pivot and work the rocker arm to make sure that the exhaust valve is free, again checking for wear. Take a look at the mixer; does it have three knobs or just one. If just one, it's gasoline only, if three it's start on gas and run on kerosene. Since this has the Model L magneto, that means that its a low-tension or ignitor style ignition (as opposed to high tension or spark plug ignition). There's nothing wrong with that, most folks feel that its more interesting, it's just harder to check when you're doing a purchase evaluation. I'll leave it to others so suggest their favorite way of quickly checking a low tension mag/ignitor. At a minimum, give the moveable bits on the ignitor a bit of oil and make sure that they're free. Drop down the side of the engine and check the fuel pump and make sure the moving parts are free. At this point it should be safe to give the flywheels a couple of turns to check for compression. I say "safe" because you shouldn't break anything that was stuck. If you don't have good compression, remove the cylinder oiler (that brass thingie above the water hopper) and squirt a goodly amount of oil down the pipe while turning the engine over. Often an engine that's been sitting for a while has a "dry bore" and will have little to no compression. If you still have little to no compression, you are looking at future repair that may be as little as new rings or as much as new piston / cylinder sleeve. For a first engine I'd pass on one that didn't have good compression. Next you want to check the condition of the bearings. Grab each flywheel near the top and lift up. You're looking for significant "looseness" between the bearing cap and the crankshaft. Next take the hand hole cover off and reach in and grab the connecting rod. Here you're looking for obvious looseness at the big end bearing and at the wrist pin. At this point I'd oil and check all the other moving bits and get ready to try starting the engine. Put some gas in the mixer bowl (there should be a removable pipe plug to allow you to do that). Open the needle valve some, close the choke plate, and pull the flywheels smartly through compression. The owner of the engine probably has engine starting experience and should be willing to help in this process. With luck, you'll be rewarded with the sweet sound of a running engine. Don't be surprised if this part of the "first time" experience gives you a woodie. That's fairly common. 8-)) If it won't start you need to make a decision. It may require significant work (which may be why the owner hasn't been able to get it running either), or it might be something as minor as a mis-timed engine or a mag that needs charged, or a dirty set of ignitor points. My recommendation is that if you encounter any major problems checking the engine over or if you can't get it started, walk away. There's a LOT of nice running engines out there and for a "first engine", start with a runner. There's lots of time to get and work on non-running engines once you have some experience and can do a better job of evaluating what you're getting into in terms of work needed and expense. The last things to check on are things that affect the price. Does it have original paint and decals, does it have original IHC-marked grease cups, does it have an oiler, muffler, is it on a cart (original is a plus) or just a skid, and does it have the tag with serial number that will allow you to date the engine. Finally, be sure to post the tale of your experience to the list. Folks can learn from you and offer additional advice. GOOD LUCK and have fun!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 mullt at att.net wrote: > I'm about to "take the leap" and buy my first engine. It looks like it > is a 2.5hp IH Model M with a Model L magneto. From the pictures it looks > complete. The owner says he has not run it but that it was running when > he bought it. He is asking $500. > > Since I am new at this, I was wondering what I should look at to make > sure the engine is in reasonable condition and that I can get it running > without spending big $$$. Does the asking price seem reasonable? > > Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Tom From oldengin at verizon.net Sun Jan 21 09:03:36 2007 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:03:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <012120071510.28158.45B3824D0002AF4C00006DFE21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <001601c73d7e$1886a780$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Hi Tom, the info you have been given is all good and correct and yes the 500.00 is in the park of a good price. Now a couple of my thoughts for you to ponder.... I always tell people that your first engin should be a runner, cause no matter what you do to it you know that it did run. As far as compression the "M" has always, from my experiance, been on the low side of things so this is not the point to turn down this engin. BUT if the chap selling the engin is honest then he will probably work with you on trying to start it the first time for you. The governor fork is one important item to look at as they wore out with these engins and I have seen some paper thin. A good hot mag on an "M" will allow you to start this engin with one pull of the flywheels when you get to know her, they run smooth, have an oiler to work with and have a very good sound with lots of deep voice. Still if you can find some one of knowlege to help look it over for you this would be great. Also pick up on the flywheels, one side at a time, to see if any slop is in the babbits. Just my ramblings here Leroy From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 21 10:01:44 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:01:44 -0000 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <012120071510.28158.45B3824D0002AF4C00006DFE21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <001101c73d86$371dcb80$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > Hi Tom, > > WELCOME to the list and to the hobby. A good place to start is with the > excellent FAQ page that's been compiled. > http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html >Snip Don't be surprised if this part of the "first time" experience gives you a woodie. > That's fairly common. 8-)) > Snip > GOOD LUCK and have fun!! > See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, I thought that after being on this list for several years I now understood American. After researching the phrase you used I now what it means in English. Perhaps other list members have been polite enough to speak more delicately in the past. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 21 09:50:01 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:50:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: First Engine (now beginning to drift toward OT) In-Reply-To: <001101c73d86$371dcb80$e5c30b52@no1> References: <012120071510.28158.45B3824D0002AF4C00006DFE21604666489B04049A03@att.net> <001101c73d86$371dcb80$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: Hiya Dave, Jeeze man, you're not so old that you should have forgotten the sensation. AFAIK, "woodie" is used in Brit slang. http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/w.htm Of course the definitive reference work is Roger's Profanisaurus. 8->> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger's_Profanisaurus See ya, Arnie On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Dave Croft wrote: > Hi Arnie, I thought that after being on this list for several years I now understood American. > After researching the phrase you used I now what it means in English. > Perhaps other list members have been polite enough to speak more delicately in the past. From mullt at att.net Sun Jan 21 11:14:06 2007 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:14:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: First Engine (now beginning to drift toward OT) Message-ID: <012120071914.2991.45B3BB7D000D110700000BAF21612436469B04049A03@att.net> I thought the "proper" British term was standing hampton. Tom -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Arnie Fero > Hiya Dave, > > Jeeze man, you're not so old that you should have forgotten the sensation. > AFAIK, "woodie" is used in Brit slang. > http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/w.htm > > Of course the definitive reference work is Roger's Profanisaurus. 8->> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger's_Profanisaurus > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Dave Croft wrote: > > > Hi Arnie, I thought that after being on this list for several years I now > understood American. > > After researching the phrase you used I now what it means in English. > > Perhaps other list members have been polite enough to speak more delicately in > the past. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 21 11:39:08 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:39:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-Syphon , In-Reply-To: <6f6025160701210211iffc1d8du7be6f7b78811bf0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <002401c73cd2$bef403d0$163d6c3a@userecaf7b7be7> <00a201c73cd7$c659af30$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <6f6025160701210211iffc1d8du7be6f7b78811bf0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <982c712d9ce8f778bced64cfcbbd2c29@chartertn.net> > I guess the 1950's was when water pumps generally became a fixture on > cars in the UK, our family had an Austin 12 van in 1958 which was > purely thermo-syphon for cooling. I had a 1954 Jaguar XK-120 drophead in the early '80s. It had a water pump. I recall that a rebuilt one, exchange, ran $138 from Moss Motors. I didn't need one, that was just a typical parts price that stuck in my head. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 21 11:11:33 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:11:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: First Engine (now beginning to drift toward OT) In-Reply-To: <012120071914.2991.45B3BB7D000D110700000BAF21612436469B04049A03@att.net> References: <012120071914.2991.45B3BB7D000D110700000BAF21612436469B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, Yep, one among many... http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wikisaurus:penis/more See ya, Arnie On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 mullt at att.net wrote: > I thought the "proper" British term was standing hampton. > > Tom From mullt at att.net Sun Jan 21 14:27:02 2007 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:27:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] First Engine Message-ID: <012120072227.5896.45B3E8B6000863E40000170821603762239B04049A03@att.net> Arnie, Thanks for the information. I tried sending some picutues to the list but apparently the list will not take emials with large files attached. What is the easiest way to check the compression? Do I need a compression gauge? If it has an igniter, then I can't connect a gauge like I would in a spark plug hole. Thanks. Tom -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Arnie Fero > Hi Tom, > > WELCOME to the list and to the hobby. A good place to start is with the > excellent FAQ page that's been compiled. > http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html > > It's definitely better if you can personally inspect the engine rather > than buying on words and a picture until you get to know a given seller > well. It's even better if you can take an "engine buddy" along to help > with the evaluation. Where are you located? > > One very nice thing about the IHC "M" is that information and parts are > readily abailable. > > Assuming that you can put your hands on the engine... Take a squirt oil > can with you. Look the engine over and identify the major pieces and > picture in your mind how they'll work. Start at the head end of the > engine. Look for obvious cracks and breaks and welds or brazing that > would indicate prior problems. > > Put some oil on the intake valve stem and work it in and out. You want to > make sure that its free and see if the valve guide is badly worn. Put > some oil on the exhaust valve stem and the rocker arm pivot and work the > rocker arm to make sure that the exhaust valve is free, again checking for > wear. > > Take a look at the mixer; does it have three knobs or just one. If just > one, it's gasoline only, if three it's start on gas and run on kerosene. > > Since this has the Model L magneto, that means that its a low-tension or > ignitor style ignition (as opposed to high tension or spark plug > ignition). There's nothing wrong with that, most folks feel that its more > interesting, it's just harder to check when you're doing a purchase > evaluation. I'll leave it to others so suggest their favorite way of > quickly checking a low tension mag/ignitor. At a minimum, give the > moveable bits on the ignitor a bit of oil and make sure that they're free. > > Drop down the side of the engine and check the fuel pump and make sure the > moving parts are free. > > At this point it should be safe to give the flywheels a couple of turns to > check for compression. I say "safe" because you shouldn't break anything > that was stuck. If you don't have good compression, remove the cylinder > oiler (that brass thingie above the water hopper) and squirt a goodly > amount of oil down the pipe while turning the engine over. Often an > engine that's been sitting for a while has a "dry bore" and will have > little to no compression. If you still have little to no compression, you > are looking at future repair that may be as little as new rings or as much > as new piston / cylinder sleeve. For a first engine I'd pass on one that > didn't have good compression. > > Next you want to check the condition of the bearings. Grab each flywheel > near the top and lift up. You're looking for significant "looseness" > between the bearing cap and the crankshaft. Next take the hand hole cover > off and reach in and grab the connecting rod. Here you're looking for > obvious looseness at the big end bearing and at the wrist pin. > > At this point I'd oil and check all the other moving bits and get ready to > try starting the engine. Put some gas in the mixer bowl (there should be > a removable pipe plug to allow you to do that). Open the needle valve > some, close the choke plate, and pull the flywheels smartly through > compression. The owner of the engine probably has engine starting > experience and should be willing to help in this process. With luck, > you'll be rewarded with the sweet sound of a running engine. Don't be > surprised if this part of the "first time" experience gives you a woodie. > That's fairly common. 8-)) > > If it won't start you need to make a decision. It may require significant > work (which may be why the owner hasn't been able to get it running > either), or it might be something as minor as a mis-timed engine or a mag > that needs charged, or a dirty set of ignitor points. > > My recommendation is that if you encounter any major problems checking > the engine over or if you can't get it started, walk away. > > There's a LOT of nice running engines out there and for a "first engine", > start with a runner. There's lots of time to get and work on non-running > engines once you have some experience and can do a better job of > evaluating what you're getting into in terms of work needed and expense. > > The last things to check on are things that affect the price. Does it > have original paint and decals, does it have original IHC-marked grease > cups, does it have an oiler, muffler, is it on a cart (original is a plus) > or just a skid, and does it have the tag with serial number that will > allow you to date the engine. > > Finally, be sure to post the tale of your experience to the list. Folks > can learn from you and offer additional advice. > > GOOD LUCK and have fun!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 mullt at att.net wrote: > > > I'm about to "take the leap" and buy my first engine. It looks like it > > is a 2.5hp IH Model M with a Model L magneto. From the pictures it looks > > complete. The owner says he has not run it but that it was running when > > he bought it. He is asking $500. > > > > Since I am new at this, I was wondering what I should look at to make > > sure the engine is in reasonable condition and that I can get it running > > without spending big $$$. Does the asking price seem reasonable? > > > > Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jan 21 14:47:52 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:47:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Crossley OO Videos Message-ID: <20070121224747.EKVF19269.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> We had a bit of an impromptu get together on the weekend to have a bit of a play with my mate Paul's 1900 Crossly OO portable. Edd came down to get it running a bit better (lots of little bits of fine tuning). It is now running very sweetly. The first video is about 4mb but the other two are about 1mb each. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07012003.AVI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07012010.AVI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07012008.AVI Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Jan 21 15:05:23 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:05:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <012120072227.5896.45B3E8B6000863E40000170821603762239B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <008301c73db0$a1fe3b40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Tom, Your engine probably has a compression ratio of 4 to 1 more or less. Just pull the flywheel through and see what you feel. Should be some resistance but probably but not so much it is hard to pull. As somebody suggested earlier get the bore and everything else well oiled so that friction is not a big factor. Engines of this vintage that have been sitting a long time are prone to stuck rings so oil the hell out of it. Jim Jim and Diane Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine Arnie, Thanks for the information. I tried sending some picutues to the list but apparently the list will not take emials with large files attached. What is the easiest way to check the compression? Do I need a compression gauge? If it has an igniter, then I can't connect a gauge like I would in a spark plug hole. Thanks. Tom -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Arnie Fero > Hi Tom, > > WELCOME to the list and to the hobby. A good place to start is with the > excellent FAQ page that's been compiled. > http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html > > It's definitely better if you can personally inspect the engine rather > than buying on words and a picture until you get to know a given seller > well. It's even better if you can take an "engine buddy" along to help > with the evaluation. Where are you located? > > One very nice thing about the IHC "M" is that information and parts are > readily abailable. > > Assuming that you can put your hands on the engine... Take a squirt oil > can with you. Look the engine over and identify the major pieces and > picture in your mind how they'll work. Start at the head end of the > engine. Look for obvious cracks and breaks and welds or brazing that > would indicate prior problems. > > Put some oil on the intake valve stem and work it in and out. You want to > make sure that its free and see if the valve guide is badly worn. Put > some oil on the exhaust valve stem and the rocker arm pivot and work the > rocker arm to make sure that the exhaust valve is free, again checking for > wear. > > Take a look at the mixer; does it have three knobs or just one. If just > one, it's gasoline only, if three it's start on gas and run on kerosene. > > Since this has the Model L magneto, that means that its a low-tension or > ignitor style ignition (as opposed to high tension or spark plug > ignition). There's nothing wrong with that, most folks feel that its more > interesting, it's just harder to check when you're doing a purchase > evaluation. I'll leave it to others so suggest their favorite way of > quickly checking a low tension mag/ignitor. At a minimum, give the > moveable bits on the ignitor a bit of oil and make sure that they're free. > > Drop down the side of the engine and check the fuel pump and make sure the > moving parts are free. > > At this point it should be safe to give the flywheels a couple of turns to > check for compression. I say "safe" because you shouldn't break anything > that was stuck. If you don't have good compression, remove the cylinder > oiler (that brass thingie above the water hopper) and squirt a goodly > amount of oil down the pipe while turning the engine over. Often an > engine that's been sitting for a while has a "dry bore" and will have > little to no compression. If you still have little to no compression, you > are looking at future repair that may be as little as new rings or as much > as new piston / cylinder sleeve. For a first engine I'd pass on one that > didn't have good compression. > > Next you want to check the condition of the bearings. Grab each flywheel > near the top and lift up. You're looking for significant "looseness" > between the bearing cap and the crankshaft. Next take the hand hole cover > off and reach in and grab the connecting rod. Here you're looking for > obvious looseness at the big end bearing and at the wrist pin. > > At this point I'd oil and check all the other moving bits and get ready to > try starting the engine. Put some gas in the mixer bowl (there should be > a removable pipe plug to allow you to do that). Open the needle valve > some, close the choke plate, and pull the flywheels smartly through > compression. The owner of the engine probably has engine starting > experience and should be willing to help in this process. With luck, > you'll be rewarded with the sweet sound of a running engine. Don't be > surprised if this part of the "first time" experience gives you a woodie. > That's fairly common. 8-)) > > If it won't start you need to make a decision. It may require significant > work (which may be why the owner hasn't been able to get it running > either), or it might be something as minor as a mis-timed engine or a mag > that needs charged, or a dirty set of ignitor points. > > My recommendation is that if you encounter any major problems checking > the engine over or if you can't get it started, walk away. > > There's a LOT of nice running engines out there and for a "first engine", > start with a runner. There's lots of time to get and work on non-running > engines once you have some experience and can do a better job of > evaluating what you're getting into in terms of work needed and expense. > > The last things to check on are things that affect the price. Does it > have original paint and decals, does it have original IHC-marked grease > cups, does it have an oiler, muffler, is it on a cart (original is a plus) > or just a skid, and does it have the tag with serial number that will > allow you to date the engine. > > Finally, be sure to post the tale of your experience to the list. Folks > can learn from you and offer additional advice. > > GOOD LUCK and have fun!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 mullt at att.net wrote: > > > I'm about to "take the leap" and buy my first engine. It looks like it > > is a 2.5hp IH Model M with a Model L magneto. From the pictures it looks > > complete. The owner says he has not run it but that it was running when > > he bought it. He is asking $500. > > > > Since I am new at this, I was wondering what I should look at to make > > sure the engine is in reasonable condition and that I can get it running > > without spending big $$$. Does the asking price seem reasonable? > > > > Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 21 14:27:04 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:27:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <012120072227.5896.45B3E8B6000863E40000170821603762239B04049A03@att.net> References: <012120072227.5896.45B3E8B6000863E40000170821603762239B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, This particular email list doesn't permit attachments. Best bet is to put the pics on the web somewhere and provide a URL in an email to the list. As to compression, the best way is just to gauge good compression by "feel." For example if there's no perceptable difference between coming up to TDC on compression or coming up to TDC on the exhaust stroke, you have a problem. 8-)) OTOH, if you go over compression to BDC and now throw the flywheels back against compression and it "bounces" nicely, then you've got good compression. Or a squash ball on top of the piston. 8-)) There should be definite resistance felt as you come up on compression. See ya, Arnie On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 mullt at att.net wrote: > Thanks for the information. I tried sending some picutues to the list > but apparently the list will not take emials with large files attached. > > What is the easiest way to check the compression? Do I need a > compression gauge? If it has an igniter, then I can't connect a gauge > like I would in a spark plug hole. Thanks. > > Tom From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 21 15:42:16 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:42:16 -0000 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <012120072227.5896.45B3E8B6000863E40000170821603762239B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <003101c73db5$c9eb6290$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > Arnie, > > Thanks for the information. I tried sending some picutues to the list but apparently the list will not take emials with large > files attached. > > What is the easiest way to check the compression? Do I need a compression gauge? If it has an igniter, then I can't connect a > gauge like I would in a spark plug hole. Thanks. > > Tom Hi Tom, You cannot send a picture to this list. You can use webshots or another program to copy your pictures & send the address here. If you need it send the pictures to me & I will post them for you! Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Jan 21 15:44:15 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:44:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Crossley OO Videos References: <20070121224747.EKVF19269.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <008a01c73db6$0fcbdfb0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Very nice Patrick, thanks for the video Jim Jim and Diane Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Crossley OO Videos We had a bit of an impromptu get together on the weekend to have a bit of a play with my mate Paul's 1900 Crossly OO portable. Edd came down to get it running a bit better (lots of little bits of fine tuning). It is now running very sweetly. The first video is about 4mb but the other two are about 1mb each. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07012003.AVI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07012010.AVI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07012008.AVI Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sun Jan 21 17:24:11 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:24:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <000801c73d7f$ccd376e0$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <20070122012411.78826.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Charlie-san, Arnie-san, et al, Bill Young here, reporting for duty in Bangkok. Japan was starting to get too cold for me. Am reading your interesting mail and looking for engines over here. Have found two not-for-sale Ruston Hornsbys. Hi to all, Bill From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jan 21 18:52:40 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:52:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <20070122012411.78826.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c73dd0$6a23a000$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Hi Bill...everyone has their price! You remember the Trusty in Tokyo Museum? ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > Charlie-san, Arnie-san, et al, > > Bill Young here, reporting for duty in Bangkok. Japan was starting to > get too cold for me. Am reading your interesting mail and looking for > engines over here. Have found two not-for-sale Ruston Hornsbys. Hi to > all, Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 21 20:17:29 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:17:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <20070122012411.78826.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070122012411.78826.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1169439449.45b43ad9e5d8d@webmail.city-net.com> Well HOT DAMN Young-san, You're the first list member to report in from Thailand!! Well done!! Is this a permanent relocation or just a visit? If permanent, we want a report on how folks in Bangkok respond to the Bessemer stack music!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting William Young : > Charlie-san, Arnie-san, et al, > > Bill Young here, reporting for duty in Bangkok. Japan was starting to get > too cold for me. Am reading your interesting mail and looking for engines > over here. Have found two not-for-sale Ruston Hornsbys. Hi to all, Bill From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sun Jan 21 22:33:05 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:33:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <1169439449.45b43ad9e5d8d@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20070122063305.96992.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Arnie, et al, If geography is an element of interest to the group, I will report in from Chaing Mai ( N. Thailand ) and Cambodia later this month. I did manage to snag 5 small engines in Thailand about 4 years ago. No, nothing permanent -- just a two-month escape for cold, cold Japan during Jan. & feb. Bill From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sun Jan 21 22:44:50 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:44:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <000901c73dd0$6a23a000$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <20070122064450.836.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter-san, Yep, I remember the Trusty. About the Rustons. The father of the present owner was import agent for R-H engines here in Thailand. Since my friend is already wealthy, maybe double or triple, I took him at his word when he said the engines were not for sale. A guy in Japan had a bunch of engines that he, too, would not sell, although I tried several times to buy. During the course of time, I repaired an EK for him -- no charge.. When he decided to get rid of his engine collection, he called me. .He gave me the lot. Bill From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jan 21 23:21:03 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:21:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <20070122064450.836.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01c73df5$dfbe6ff0$0601a8c0@altech> Bill - san, WOW, he gave you the lot, not a bad payment for a mag overhaul, that does not happen but once a blue moon, well never here. ;-)) Do you have a web site for your toys?? Peter > Peter-san, Yep, I remember the Trusty. About the Rustons. The father of > the present owner was import agent for R-H engines here in Thailand. > Since my friend is already wealthy, maybe double or triple, I took him at > his word when he said the engines were not for sale. > A guy in Japan had a bunch of engines that he, too, would not sell, > although I tried several times to buy. During the course of time, I > repaired an EK for him -- no charge.. When he decided to get rid of his > engine collection, he called me. .He gave me the lot. Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Jan 22 00:52:31 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:52:31 -0000 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <012120072227.5896.45B3E8B6000863E40000170821603762239B04049A03@att.net> <003101c73db5$c9eb6290$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <003001c73e02$a8328b90$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine >> Arnie, >> Thanks for the information. I tried sending some picutues to the list but apparently the list will not take emials with large >> files attached. >> What is the easiest way to check the compression? Do I need a compression gauge? If it has an igniter, then I can't connect a >> gauge like I would in a spark plug hole. Thanks. >> Tom > > Hi Tom, You cannot send a picture to this list. > You can use webshots or another program to copy your pictures & send the address here. > If you need it send the pictures to me & I will post them for you! > Dave Croft Tom sent me his pictures & I have posted them at http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2293251040028520097HLbubL http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2908333950028520097wGDHJo http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2186551060028520097LzWqgz Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jan 22 05:01:53 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:01:53 EST Subject: [SEL] First Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 1/22/2007 4:14:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: Tom sent me his pictures & I have posted them at Tom, Your engine appears to be in good shape and parts complete, although the photos are somewhat blurry. The muffler is missing but a repro can be bought from Starbolt or Hit and Miss for around $40 The tank filler spout cap is incorrect, but no big deal. It should be a pipe cap rather than a pipe plug. An original can be found at some shows. Take the starting crank and hang it on a nail in your shop and leave it there! Do not use to start engine as you may end up with busted teeth! As someone else mentioned the $500 price is a good starting point and offer him 4-450 and see what happens. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From mullt at att.net Mon Jan 22 05:22:56 2007 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:22:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] First Engine Message-ID: <012220071322.27676.45B4BAB0000079BB00006C1C21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Dave, Thanks for posting the pictures. It looks like a Model M to me but I am not sure. Tom -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Dave Croft" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Croft" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:42 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 22 07:13:40 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:13:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <20070122012411.78826.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000801c73d7f$ccd376e0$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <20070122012411.78826.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070122101130.02f940f0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Bill, I'd like to hear if you find any Maytag-san engines. Thanks, Mark-san At 08:24 PM 1/21/07, you wrote: >Charlie-san, Arnie-san, et al, > > Bill Young here, reporting for duty in Bangkok. Japan was starting to > get too cold for me. Am reading your interesting mail and looking for > engines over here. Have found two not-for-sale Ruston Hornsbys. Hi to > all, Bill Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jan 22 10:46:08 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:46:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] To Oom Bill-San In-Reply-To: <200701221700.l0MH05PC007138@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070122204425.00ac62a0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >From: William Young >Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > >Charlie-san, Arnie-san, et al, > > Bill Young here, reporting for duty in Bangkok. Japan was starting to > get too cold for me. Am reading your interesting mail and looking for > engines over here. Have found two not-for-sale Ruston Hornsbys. Hi to > all, Bill Hi Oom Bill-san, Greetings from South Africa. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Jan 22 14:31:09 2007 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:31:09 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Help in Texas Message-ID: <026801c73e75$052b5490$0200a8c0@fbi> Hi Folks I've been contacted by a club in Texas who need some help and advice with their engines. They're not on the List (yet), although I sent info on how to get here, but in the meantime, if you can help, reply to eeggemeyer at cox.net Dolly *************** Hello, we are a small group in West Texas trying to put together a Farm/Ranch Herratige museum downtown. Currently we have an old blacksmith shop next to a vacant lot of approx. 180'x180'. We are looking to relocate an old cotton gin and saw mill and grist mill and thresher, currently searching for, onto this property for demonstration purposes. At this time we are looking for a power source to run all the machines. The blacksmith and saw mill can be ran by smaller hit and miss engines which we a searching for. We would like the cotton gin to be powered by a 160 hp, or so, Bessemer because we like the twin cylinder and twin flywheel configuration. Also, if you have any info. on belt driven equipment or tractors for sale we would greatly appreciate it. Please feel free to contact us if you have any info. or foward this on to others that may be able to help. Thank you for your time. Sincerely Eric Eggemeyer Eggemeyers General Store 35 E Concho Ave. San Angelo, Texas 76903 Cell: 325-374-2333 -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 17:51:31 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:51:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Engines, guns In-Reply-To: <002a01c73df5$dfbe6ff0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070123015131.20598.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter-san, When I left USA for Japan, I had a sale of most of my goodies. There were a couple engines I could not sell, so I gave them to friends. My entire gun collection, I gave to another pilot type buddy. So, what goes around, comes around. No, no web site. Maybe someday I will acquire enough computerese to do so. I still have trouble with on/off switch. Bill From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jan 22 18:33:21 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:33:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help in Texas Message-ID: <20070122.214700.952.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jim, Eric Eggemeyer has contacted me also. I sent him the ogden pubs internet addresses and told him to get a copy of the Farm Show Directory that list no less than 29 shows in Texas. I told him to check out a few shows and become a member. Also to try and get a copy of Gas Engine Magazine which will give him tons of leads. He did write me back. I think he pretty well knows what's going on. Just needs someone to "hold his hand" and kick him in the ass. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 21:08:36 2007 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:08:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs Message-ID: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> After wasting some money on some real crappy quality reprints from an outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and have scanned them and placed them here for you to download and use free: http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm Scroll halfway down and there are links to the pdf files, the download size is next to them and if you don't have dsl or cable, you might want to make a sandwich....... The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is well received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan. Can someone forward the link to the Farmall list for me? I like IHC stuff, but any more than two cylinders is a waste of iron and electric starters are for girls. Joe ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Jan 22 21:37:19 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:37:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Free Manuals and Catalogs In-Reply-To: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D07BC87-3405-4365-8646-2F58CC67C65E@rustyiron.com> > The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is > well > received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan. Damned straight it's well received, Joe! Thank you for your effort in scanning everything. Here's my take: a. There's a lot of collectors. There ain't much paper. Scan what you can; bring joy to the world. b. Horde your paper. If you don't have a climate controlled nitrogen filled file cabinet, it will be dust in another 100 years. c. Horde your paper. Die. Have the mortician use it as packing material in your coffin. How's the 10-20 coming along? Rob From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Tue Jan 23 01:32:30 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:32:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Early Petter Anglo help? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061027091223.01b87fe8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi ,trying to get in touch with Russell Gilbert don't think my emails are getting through.Anyone know his email address? John Palmer. >From: Russell Gilbert >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Petter Anglo help? >Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:17:34 +1000 > >Hi folks; I've just finished downloading pics of the Petter on webshots, >new album called Petter Anglo >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics The part in question to >my first e-mail is shown. The brass fuel injector sorta thingi!!????? sits >on the air intake casting where it must just well up and then get sucked >into the vapourizer??? Anyone know much about these?? The brass part looks >complete but I have not seen anything like this before to know? >cheers, Russ > > > >At 10:00 PM 26/10/2006, you wrote: >>G'day all, I have started to pull my Petter Anglo down for a clean up etc >>for resto. It really is the first time I have had a proper play with it. >>Question to whom may be able to help. The fuel system seems simple enough. >>The governor controls the lever which lets the need amount of fuel into >>the engine etc. However the actual Fuel .,,,, injector?? drip feed thingy >>( I will have to post a pic) does this simply gravity feed/drip the fuel >>into the vaporisor area?? Or should it have a sealed valve?? Does anyone >>else own one who could share some pictures with me? The engine in >>question is on my webshots in the My Shed album. I will add more pics of >>the engine over the weekend. >> >>any help would be great >>thanks, Russell >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jan 23 02:18:34 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:18:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Early Petter Anglo help? In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20061027091223.01b87fe8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070123211752.01dee518@ncable.com.au> G'day John, sorry but have been away doing a spot of fishing, shooting and drinking! Russell At 08:32 PM 23/01/2007, you wrote: >Hi ,trying to get in touch with Russell Gilbert don't think my >emails are getting through.Anyone know his email address? John Palmer. > > >>From: Russell Gilbert >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Petter Anglo help? >>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:17:34 +1000 >> >>Hi folks; I've just finished downloading pics of the Petter on webshots, >>new album called Petter Anglo >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics The part in >>question to my first e-mail is shown. The brass fuel injector sorta >>thingi!!????? sits on the air intake casting where it must just >>well up and then get sucked into the vapourizer??? Anyone know much >>about these?? The brass part looks complete but I have not seen >>anything like this before to know? >>cheers, Russ >> >> >> >>At 10:00 PM 26/10/2006, you wrote: >>>G'day all, I have started to pull my Petter Anglo down for a clean >>>up etc for resto. It really is the first time I have had a proper >>>play with it. Question to whom may be able to help. The fuel >>>system seems simple enough. The governor controls the lever which >>>lets the need amount of fuel into the engine etc. However the >>>actual Fuel .,,,, injector?? drip feed thingy ( I will have to >>>post a pic) does this simply gravity feed/drip the fuel into the >>>vaporisor area?? Or should it have a sealed valve?? Does anyone >>>else own one who could share some pictures with me? The engine in >>>question is on my webshots in the My Shed album. I will add more >>>pics of the engine over the weekend. >>> >>>any help would be great >>>thanks, Russell >>> >>>Russell Gilbert >>>Sunny Sunraysia >>>russell at ncable.com.au >>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Jan 23 02:47:40 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:47:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs Message-ID: <012320071047.19101.45B5E7CC0007C67B00004A9D219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Joe, Really great info and downloads ok for viewing and research. Do you have more stationary engine related stuff? Thank you very much for all the hard work! Curt Andree > After wasting some money on some real crappy quality reprints from an > outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and have scanned them and > placed them here for you to download and use free: > http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm > Scroll halfway down and there are links to the pdf files, the download > size is next to them and if you don't have dsl or cable, you might want to > make a sandwich....... > The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is well > received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan. > Can someone forward the link to the Farmall list for me? I like IHC stuff, > but any more than two cylinders is a waste of iron and electric starters > are for girls. > Joe > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jan 23 05:23:41 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 06:23:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs References: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you Joe!! The President of the Mt. Steam Assoc. is restoring a 10-20 and I have forwarded your link to him. Well if you're ever in this neck of the woods, stop on by and we'll go take a look at a Corliss style that resto seems to be dead in the water. I'll get some pictures up this coming spring. later, RickinMt. > After wasting some money on some real crappy quality reprints from an > outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and have scanned them and > placed them here for you to download and use free: > http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm > Scroll halfway down and there are links to the pdf files, the download > size is next to them and if you don't have dsl or cable, you might want to > make a sandwich....... > The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is well > received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan. > Can someone forward the link to the Farmall list for me? I like IHC stuff, > but any more than two cylinders is a waste of iron and electric starters > are for girls. > Joe > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 23 18:28:05 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:28:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Henry Ford movie Message-ID: <009f01c73f5f$4834c790$240110ac@FAMILY> ----- Original Message ----- From: Bo Hinch To: fero_ah at city-net.com ; Paul Maples Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:55 PM Subject: Henry Ford movie Sorry to be a pain in the butt , My email address has changed ( because cable company sold out ) and my new email will not let me send to the list . Hope to get that taken care of soon , emails from my old address is fowarded to the new account so I can still read about whats going on with the list . I made a short ( bad video ) of my Henry Ford motor running and was wondering if one of you kind guys would put the below address on the net for me . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEQmE5Rt_rQ My new address is mmc at suddenlink.net Thanks Bo Hinch From driggars at wildblue.net Tue Jan 23 19:01:35 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:01:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine Message-ID: <45B6CC0F.4030703@wildblue.net> What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am looking for a parts manual. thanks Clint From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Jan 23 19:14:48 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:14:48 EST Subject: [SEL] Fw: Henry Ford movie Message-ID: Hi Bo, Very nice. It makes a wonderful sound. Thanks for sharing. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO In a message dated 1/23/2007 8:47:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: Bo Hinch To: fero_ah at city-net.com ; Paul Maples Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:55 PM Subject: Henry Ford movie Sorry to be a pain in the butt , My email address has changed ( because cable company sold out ) and my new email will not let me send to the list . Hope to get that taken care of soon , emails from my old address is fowarded to the new account so I can still read about whats going on with the list . I made a short ( bad video ) of my Henry Ford motor running and was wondering if one of you kind guys would put the below address on the net for me . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEQmE5Rt_rQ My new address is mmc at suddenlink.net Thanks Bo Hinch _______________________________________________ From plb at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 23 19:21:38 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:21:38 +0900 Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine In-Reply-To: <45B6CC0F.4030703@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <5jlpn2$34qnju@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> I think they had a 3306 in them. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:02 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am looking for a parts manual. thanks Clint _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at wildblue.net Tue Jan 23 20:05:43 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:05:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine In-Reply-To: <5jlpn2$34qnju@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> References: <5jlpn2$34qnju@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <45B6DB17.3060101@wildblue.net> Thanks, I was not sure, it was stuck in my mind a 3304, but that didnt match in my searches. Clint R and E Freeman wrote: > I think they had a 3306 in them. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D > Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:02 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine > > What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am > looking for a parts manual. > thanks > Clint > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 23 21:23:12 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:23:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs In-Reply-To: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c73f77$c034c390$0100a8c0@l2800> WOW - and quality work, too! Thanks for sharing. Bill Runnells, IA (just finishing the sandwich) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Joe Prindle Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:09 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs After wasting some money on some real crappy quality reprints from an outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and have scanned them and placed them here for you to download and use free: http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm Scroll halfway down and there are links to the pdf files, the download size is next to them and if you don't have dsl or cable, you might want to make a sandwich....... The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is well received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan. Can someone forward the link to the Farmall list for me? I like IHC stuff, but any more than two cylinders is a waste of iron and electric starters are for girls. Joe ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 24 00:40:22 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:40:22 +0900 Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine In-Reply-To: <45B6DB17.3060101@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <5jlpn2$353u07@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> The 941 had a 3304 and I remember a 955L we used had a 6 cylinder engine which would most likely make it a 3306. Ray Freeman PerthWA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 1:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] cat 955k engine Thanks, I was not sure, it was stuck in my mind a 3304, but that didnt match in my searches. Clint R and E Freeman wrote: > I think they had a 3306 in them. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D > Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:02 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine > > What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am > looking for a parts manual. > thanks > Clint > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com Wed Jan 24 02:41:46 2007 From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:41:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Henry Ford movie In-Reply-To: <009f01c73f5f$4834c790$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <009f01c73f5f$4834c790$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <45B737EA.20401@matthewsfarm.com> Nice job, Thanks for the video <> <> Paul Maples wrote: > > > > > >I made a short ( bad video ) of my Henry Ford motor running and was wondering if one of you kind guys would put the below address on the net for me . > > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jan 24 05:57:31 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:57:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Birthday Boy Message-ID: A VERY BIG HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Rob Skinner!!!! THANKS to you and Kelley for what you two do to keep the old iron in the spotlight!!! Best regards, RickinMt. From driggars at wildblue.net Wed Jan 24 07:26:13 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:26:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine In-Reply-To: <5jlpn2$353u07@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> References: <5jlpn2$353u07@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <45B77A95.1000001@wildblue.net> Ray This is before the 955L series, its a 955K and its a 4cylinder with a turbo charger. Someone had mentioned to me that it may be a D330T ??? But I am having trouble determining Clint R and E Freeman wrote: > The 941 had a 3304 and I remember a 955L we used had a 6 cylinder engine > which would most likely make it a 3306. > Ray Freeman > PerthWA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D > Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 1:06 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] cat 955k engine > > Thanks, I was not sure, it was stuck in my mind a 3304, but that didnt > match in my searches. > > Clint > > > R and E Freeman wrote: > >> I think they had a 3306 in them. >> Ray Freeman >> Perth WA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D >> Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:02 PM >> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine >> >> What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am >> looking for a parts manual. >> thanks >> Clint >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 24 09:42:51 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:42:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bo's New Ford Message-ID: Congratulations and thanks, Bo. Nice work! I've 'bout wore that video out listening - great sound. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 From nick at holden1.net Wed Jan 24 10:09:51 2007 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:09:51 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine References: <45B77A95.1000001@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <45B7A0EB.000001.02800@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Clint I think its a 3304 but if you let me have the serial No of the machine I will look it up on my set of cat CD's Or if its part NOs you want I can just look them up For you Nick Banbury (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Clint D Date: 24/01/2007 15:53:35 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] cat 955k engine Ray This is before the 955L series, its a 955K and its a 4cylinder with a turbo charger. Someone had mentioned to me that it may be a D330T ??? But I am having trouble determining Clint R and E Freeman wrote: > The 941 had a 3304 and I remember a 955L we used had a 6 cylinder engine > which would most likely make it a 3306. > Ray Freeman > PerthWA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D > Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 1:06 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] cat 955k engine > > Thanks, I was not sure, it was stuck in my mind a 3304, but that didnt > match in my searches. > > Clint > > > R and E Freeman wrote: > >> I think they had a 3306 in them. >> Ray Freeman >> Perth WA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D >> Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:02 PM >> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine >> >> What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am >> looking for a parts manual. >> thanks >> Clint >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel . From driggars at wildblue.net Wed Jan 24 12:19:27 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:19:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine In-Reply-To: <45B7A0EB.000001.02800@YOUR-447023AE6B> References: <45B77A95.1000001@wildblue.net> <45B7A0EB.000001.02800@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <45B7BF4F.30105@wildblue.net> Nick its a serial # 61h1659 anyone know the head bolt torque setting? Clint Nick Holden wrote: > Hi Clint > > I think its a 3304 but if you let me have the serial No of the machine > > I will look it up on my set of cat CD's > > Or if its part NOs you want I can just look them up > > For you > > > > > > Nick > > Banbury (UK) > > nick at holden1.net > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Clint D > > Date: 24/01/2007 15:53:35 > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] cat 955k engine > > > > Ray > > > > This is before the 955L series, its a 955K and its a 4cylinder with a > > turbo charger. > > > > Someone had mentioned to me that it may be a D330T ??? But I am having > > trouble determining > > Clint > > > > > > > > R and E Freeman wrote: > > >> The 941 had a 3304 and I remember a 955L we used had a 6 cylinder engine >> > > >> which would most likely make it a 3306. >> > > >> Ray Freeman >> > > >> PerthWA >> > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> > > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D >> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 1:06 PM >> > > >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> > > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] cat 955k engine >> > > > > >> Thanks, I was not sure, it was stuck in my mind a 3304, but that didnt >> > > >> match in my searches. >> > > > > >> Clint >> > > > > > > >> R and E Freeman wrote: >> > > > > >>> I think they had a 3306 in them. >>> > > >>> Ray Freeman >>> > > >>> Perth WA >>> > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> > > >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > > >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D >>> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:02 PM >>> > > >>> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > > >>> Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine >>> > > > > >>> What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am >>> > > >>> looking for a parts manual. >>> > > >>> thanks >>> > > >>> Clint >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > > >>> SEL mailing list >>> > > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > > >>> SEL mailing list >>> > > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > >> SEL mailing list >> > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > >> SEL mailing list >> > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > . > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 24 17:14:09 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:14:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Cart Wheels Message-ID: <004401c7401e$1f337110$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Gang I am in need of a set of cart wheels for the cart I want to build for my Stover. I would like to find some 24" in diameter rear wheels and 20" in diameter wheels for the front but would be interested in anything close to these dimensions. Has anybody got anything like this that they would part with? Thanks, Paul From rex002 at centurytel.net Wed Jan 24 18:22:46 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:22:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A sad day Message-ID: <000b01c74027$b57c8f90$6500a8c0@home> Hi all : It was a sad day here around Baraboo today as I found out one of my best friends has 3 brain tumors and lung cancer , His name is Kenny Johnson , Some of you who attended the last two Badger Steam And Gas shows might know who I'm talking about as he was with me both years , He is the one who built the all oak tractor and wagon and also the Horseless Carriage we had at the shows , he has also built a wood automatic can smasher driven by flat belt which if possible I will have at the Badger 2007 show , you must see it . the man can build anything out of wood and its better than any furniture you can buy. I'm hoping some of you may send a get well card to help cheer him up , we don't know how long he has or if radiation will help , he is 76 years old , a retired farmer and truck driver , he drives semi for Skinner Transfer Corp. in Reedsburg Wi. the same place I work , also He does not have a computer or Email address , Thanks for your support in advance , Kenny's address Ken Johnson 1011 8th St. Reedsburg, Wi. 53959 Rex Hinz From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 03:49:08 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:49:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting Message-ID: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> Guys I want to put a new shell on my muffler for my Stover and I want do my best to maintain originality. Look at this picture of my muffler, I sandblasted just the area where the rivets are so you could see them clearly. I do not want to use pop rivets so what is the best method to use to replicate these rivets. What kind of tools will I have to have to do the job or maybe it would be best to send the shell to someone who could make a new shell with the rivets. Just let me know what is the best method. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler396.jpg Thanks for the help. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 24 18:51:01 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:51:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A sad day References: <000b01c74027$b57c8f90$6500a8c0@home> Message-ID: <007a01c7402b$a6b994e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Rex I am so sorry to hear this even though I have never met the gentleman. It seems like cancer is literally destroying us and at what seems to be an increasing rate. I will put Kenny in my nightly prayers and ask our Father in Heaven to extend mercy to him and to grant him peace in whatever the outcome may be. I will send him a card. Thanks for letting us know. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: [SEL] A sad day Hi all : It was a sad day here around Baraboo today as I found out one of my best friends has 3 brain tumors and lung cancer , His name is Kenny Johnson , Some of you who attended the last two Badger Steam And Gas shows might know who I'm talking about as he was with me both years , He is the one who built the all oak tractor and wagon and also the Horseless Carriage we had at the shows , he has also built a wood automatic can smasher driven by flat belt which if possible I will have at the Badger 2007 show , you must see it . the man can build anything out of wood and its better than any furniture you can buy. I'm hoping some of you may send a get well card to help cheer him up , we don't know how long he has or if radiation will help , he is 76 years old , a retired farmer and truck driver , he drives semi for Skinner Transfer Corp. in Reedsburg Wi. the same place I work , also He does not have a computer or Email address , Thanks for your support in advance , Kenny's address Ken Johnson 1011 8th St. Reedsburg, Wi. 53959 Rex Hinz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at verizon.net Thu Jan 25 06:37:05 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:37:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> Paul, Make your own rivets from nails. Cut them to the right length and put the heads on the inside and peen on the outside. Put a heavy pipe in a vice to use for the anvil. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 5:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Riveting Guys I want to put a new shell on my muffler for my Stover and I want do my best to maintain originality. Look at this picture of my muffler, I sandblasted just the area where the rivets are so you could see them clearly. I do not want to use pop rivets so what is the best method to use to replicate these rivets. What kind of tools will I have to have to do the job or maybe it would be best to send the shell to someone who could make a new shell with the rivets. Just let me know what is the best method. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler396.jpg Thanks for the help. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jan 25 06:49:12 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:49:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <45B8C368.9020207@imc-group.com> Paul, Go down to your local industrial fastener house and buy some 1/8" hot rivets about a 1/4" long. Roll and drill 2 holes, one on each end. Hot rivet those. Then drill a hole at the mid point and hot rivet it. Then fill in the rest. You'll enjoy hot riveting.....it's quite fun. I did both saw tables on the Herc and Famous engines. Did the Stover use galvanized like the IHC engines? or plain sheet? If plain are you going to age it first? Has anyone had luck with aging techniques for galvanized? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Paul Maples wrote: >Guys I want to put a new shell on my muffler for my Stover and I want do my best to maintain originality. Look at this picture of my muffler, I sandblasted just the area where the rivets are so you could see them clearly. I do not want to use pop rivets so what is the best method to use to replicate these rivets. What kind of tools will I have to have to do the job or maybe it would be best to send the shell to someone who could make a new shell with the rivets. Just let me know what is the best method. > >http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler396.jpg > >Thanks for the help. > >Paul > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Jan 25 07:07:40 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:07:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <003901c74092$8f6d5b20$b9a4f504@Ed> Hi Paul, I get rivets at a hardware store that is abut 150 years old. I have to dig thru a little dust , but what is the diameter you need. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Riveting Guys I want to put a new shell on my muffler for my Stover and I want do my best to maintain originality. Look at this picture of my muffler, I sandblasted just the area where the rivets are so you could see them clearly. I do not want to use pop rivets so what is the best method to use to replicate these rivets. What kind of tools will I have to have to do the job or maybe it would be best to send the shell to someone who could make a new shell with the rivets. Just let me know what is the best method. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler396.jpg Thanks for the help. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jan 25 08:37:24 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:37:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <45B8DCC4.8090806@imc-group.com> VERY clever Glenn! Curt Glenn Karch wrote: > Paul, > > Make your own rivets from nails. Cut them to the right length and put > the heads on the inside and peen on the outside. Put a heavy pipe in > a vice to use for the anvil. > > Glenn Karch > Hercules Historian > H From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Jan 25 11:59:37 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:59:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <001001c740bb$57baf240$336d4b47@mikecomp> Paul: Unless the thing has rusted out holes in it, why mess with an original muffler? At best, paint it. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Riveting Guys I want to put a new shell on my muffler for my Stover and I want do my best to maintain originality. Look at this picture of my muffler, I sandblasted just the area where the rivets are so you could see them clearly. I do not want to use pop rivets so what is the best method to use to replicate these rivets. What kind of tools will I have to have to do the job or maybe it would be best to send the shell to someone who could make a new shell with the rivets. Just let me know what is the best method. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler396.jpg Thanks for the help. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at cybertron.com Thu Jan 25 12:35:01 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:35:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <45B8DCC4.8090806@imc-group.com> Message-ID: All I can say is that I've learned a lot from the discussion of rivets and how to make and install them. It's a really riveting subject! Okay, OKAY!!!! Alright already! I'll go back to sleep now! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:37 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > > > VERY clever Glenn! > Curt > > Glenn Karch wrote: > > > Paul, > > > > Make your own rivets from nails. Cut them to > the right length and put > > the heads on the inside and peen on the > outside. Put a heavy pipe in > > a vice to use for the anvil. > > > > Glenn Karch From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 25 12:44:33 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:44:33 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Spencer Yost ?? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070125223605.00ad1ab8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Does anyone have contact with Spencer? I have sent him several mails regarding my Payment to the Holiday Charity Auction as well as a PayPal payment that has remained unclaimed but have had no response from him. I also posted to this list for him to contact me but all to no avail. It seems that he may be away or something as I am not the only one with this problem. One of the items I offered on the auction has already reached the buyer and he is also battling to contact Spencer to make payment. I have in the meantime cancelled the Paypal payment and will set it up again when I find Spencer. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From nick at holden1.net Thu Jan 25 13:01:48 2007 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:01:48 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Cat 955K Message-ID: <45B91AB9.000003.03428@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Clint Cat 955K with 3304 engine Step 1 Tighten all bolts in sequence to 115 lb ft Step 2 " " " " " " " to 185+ - 13 lb ft Step 3 repeat step 2 Step 4 tighten the 5 bolts behind the rocker shaft to 32 + - 5 lb ft Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From driggars at wildblue.net Thu Jan 25 14:02:47 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:02:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cat 955K In-Reply-To: <45B91AB9.000003.03428@YOUR-447023AE6B> References: <45B91AB9.000003.03428@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <45B92907.6000700@wildblue.net> Nick Thanks , some one sent me the sheet for the torques specs on it. today I fired it off and its running and purrs like a kitten sucking mommies tit! next will be finding a over haul kit for an old Cat 12 8T grader, D318 engine Clint Nick Holden wrote: > Hi Clint > > > > Cat 955K with 3304 engine > > > > Step 1 Tighten all bolts in sequence to 115 lb ft > > Step 2 " " " " " " " to 185+ - 13 lb ft > > Step 3 repeat step 2 > > Step 4 tighten the 5 bolts behind the rocker shaft to 32 + - 5 lb ft > > > > > > Nick > > Banbury (UK) > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jan 25 14:53:12 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:53:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spencer Yost ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070125223605.00ad1ab8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070125223605.00ad1ab8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070125174834.04937118@mail.alltel.net> Hi Jerry (and Others on ATIS), I talked to Spencer last night. He has been waiting until most of the auction payments have been received in order to take care of them all at one time. I believe that he said that that process will start next week. I think we will all hear from Spencer soon! Dave >Hi All, > Does anyone have contact with Spencer? > I have sent him several mails regarding my Payment to the Holiday > Charity Auction as well as a PayPal payment that has remained unclaimed > but have had no response from him. I also posted to this list for him to > contact me but all to no avail. > It seems that he may be away or something as I am not the only > one with this problem. One of the items I offered on the auction has > already reached the buyer and he is also battling to contact Spencer to > make payment. > I have in the meantime cancelled the Paypal payment and will set > it up again when I find Spencer. > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 15:02:46 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:02:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001001c740bb$57baf240$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <005401c740d4$eddc9850$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I use what are called here "Tin man's rivets", the soft iron rivet used by Tin Smiths (another dieing trade) for joining sheets. Also that trade comes with special tools for holding the round rivet head so it is not distorted. Then you pein the inside where it cannot be seen. I will put some photos on my web site later when I dig the tools out. I have used them but the rivets are hard to find. When ever I find an old hardware store that sells them I buy heaps. And YES they are usually in dusty old boxes. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > Guys I want to put a new shell on my muffler for my Stover and I want do > my best to maintain originality. Look at this picture of my muffler, I > sandblasted just the area where the rivets are so you could see them > clearly. I do not want to use pop rivets so what is the best method to use > to replicate these rivets. What kind of tools will I have to have to do > the job or maybe it would be best to send the shell to someone who could > make a new shell with the rivets. Just let me know what is the best > method. > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler396.jpg > > Thanks for the help. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 16:05:25 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:05:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Glenn sounds like something I need to experiment with to see if I can get the hang of it. It seems like I would need a special forming tool for the outside heads or they would all be different. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Karch" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Paul, > > Make your own rivets from nails. Cut them to the right length and put the > heads on the inside and peen on the outside. Put a heavy pipe in a vice > to use for the anvil. > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 16:07:37 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:07:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <003901c74092$8f6d5b20$b9a4f504@Ed> Message-ID: <006801c740dd$fd69d4f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Ed I have not taken the muffler apart yet so I am not sure of the exact size of the rivets, I plan on taking it apart this weekend and then I will let you know. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed stoller" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Hi Paul, > > I get rivets at a hardware store that is abut 150 years old. I have to > dig thru a little dust , but what is the diameter you need. > > Ed Stoller > /listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 16:10:35 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:10:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001001c740bb$57baf240$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <007301c740de$679cb8b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Mike the metal is really pitted and now that I am restoring it I felt I might as well go ahead and renew the muffler. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Paul: > > Unless the thing has rusted out holes in it, why mess with an original > muffler? At best, paint it. > > Mike Royster > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 16:13:31 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:13:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001001c740bb$57baf240$336d4b47@mikecomp> <005401c740d4$eddc9850$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <007801c740de$d0974380$240110ac@FAMILY> Peter we have a couple of sheet metal shops here in my little town but I am willing to bet you they don't have any of these rivets but I will call tomorrow and find out and let you know. I will be anxiously awaiting to see your photos you will post later on your website, just let me know when you have them downloaded. Also Peter I see where you refer to a special tool for holding the heads so they do not get distorted. I am afraid if try to do this by eye the rivets will looked like smashed eggs at best. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Hi all > I use what are called here "Tin man's rivets", the soft iron rivet used by > Tin Smiths (another dieing trade) for joining sheets. Also that trade > comes with special tools for holding the round rivet head so it is not > distorted. Then you pein the inside where it cannot be seen. > I will put some photos on my web site later when I dig the tools out. I > have From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 25 16:33:51 2007 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:33:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <007801c740de$d0974380$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <410658.73302.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul, Go to www.mcmaster.com They have all kinds of rivet material, size, length, and head type. They also have a rivet setter for shaping heads etc. You can order on line from them. and delivery is excelent. Ron Paul Maples wrote: Peter we have a couple of sheet metal shops here in my little town but I am willing to bet you they don't have any of these rivets but I will call tomorrow and find out and let you know. I will be anxiously awaiting to see your photos you will post later on your website, just let me know when you have them downloaded. Also Peter I see where you refer to a special tool for holding the heads so they do not get distorted. I am afraid if try to do this by eye the rivets will looked like smashed eggs at best. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Hi all > I use what are called here "Tin man's rivets", the soft iron rivet used by > Tin Smiths (another dieing trade) for joining sheets. Also that trade > comes with special tools for holding the round rivet head so it is not > distorted. Then you pein the inside where it cannot be seen. > I will put some photos on my web site later when I dig the tools out. I > have _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jan 25 17:56:53 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:56:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <45B95FE5.3040003@telenet.net> If you want the heads to all be the same you can make a heading tool easily. Just use the proper sized drill bit to drill a dimple the depth you need in a piece of drill rod. Then to make it rounded instead of cone shaped use a burr file in the drill and make it into a rounded shape. You could also cheat a bit and drill bigger holes (if needed) and use the rivets for mower sections that are sold at Tractor Supply. Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Glenn sounds like something I need to experiment with to see if I can > get the hang of it. It seems like I would need a special forming tool > for the outside heads or they would all be different. Do you just go by > feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Karch" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > > >> Paul, >> >> Make your own rivets from nails. Cut them to the right length and put >> the heads on the inside and peen on the outside. Put a heavy pipe in >> a vice to use for the anvil. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Jan 25 17:57:51 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:57:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001001c740bb$57baf240$336d4b47@mikecomp> <007301c740de$679cb8b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <001001c740ed$636049b0$336d4b47@mikecomp> Just a matter of preference! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Mike the metal is really pitted and now that I am restoring it I felt I > might as well go ahead and renew the muffler. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Royster" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > > >> Paul: >> >> Unless the thing has rusted out holes in it, why mess with an original >> muffler? At best, paint it. >> >> Mike Royster >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jan 25 18:48:36 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:48:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> >. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. >Paul Even I am NOT going to touch that one! Dave PS, Hi Marion! From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 19:18:40 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:18:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Dave A head forming tool, hang on and I will go out to my shed, take a photo and make a web page. 1/2 hour Peter, Oz > >>. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. >>Paul > > Even I am NOT going to touch that one! > Dave > PS, Hi Marion! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 19:22:03 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:22:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001401c740f9$26edc6e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Only Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - How you doing you old coot? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > >>. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. >>Paul > > Even I am NOT going to touch that one! > Dave > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jan 25 19:49:12 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:49:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> <009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070125224751.04a50ec8@mail.alltel.net> ONLY an Englishman would reply in that way! Dave >Hi Dave >A head forming tool, hang on and I will go out to my shed, take a photo >and make a web page. 1/2 hour > >Peter, Oz > >> >>>. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. >>>Paul >> >>Even I am NOT going to touch that one! >> Dave From BillMil357 at aol.com Thu Jan 25 19:52:59 2007 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:52:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Riveting Message-ID: Paul, You left yourself wide open on that one. Bill Miller. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 20:00:20 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:00:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> <009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <002601c740fe$7faa5a50$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Peter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Hi Dave > A head forming tool, hang on and I will go out to my shed, take a photo > and make a web page. 1/2 hour > > Peter, Oz > >> From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 20:03:32 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:03:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> <001401c740f9$26edc6e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> Hi guys I am not the expert here but these are what I have and typically can't find the rest somewhere in my shed. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rivets.htm this is a dead link off my R&V site. You can see the form part of the tool, not sure what the hole is used for, I asked my Dad but he is not sure either. The other top hole goes down about 3/4" and has another hole coming in from the edge??? Also look at: http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=9354 As has already been said, you can just shape a drill bit and drill into the end of a steel block, that then forms the head of the rivet. A piece of steel bar or flat can be used to flatten the rear side. I have used large welding rods, clean off the flux and cut to length, the tool will form a head for you, Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 16:06:42 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:06:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <45B8C368.9020207@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006301c740dd$dc6d01f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Curt but do you use a special forming tool in order to get all the heads looking the same? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Paul, > Go down to your local industrial fastener house and buy some 1/8" hot > rivets about a 1/4" long. Roll and drill 2 holes, one on each end. Hot > rivet those. Then drill a hole at the mid point and hot rivet it. Then > fill in the rest. You'll enjoy hot riveting.....it's quite fun. I did both > saw tables on the Herc and Famous engines. > Did the Stover use galvanized like the IHC engines? or plain sheet? If > plain are you going to age it first? > Has anyone had luck with aging techniques for galvanized? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Thu Jan 25 20:18:05 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:18:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> <009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <200701252318730.SM05916@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Here's what you need Paul: http://cgi.ebay.com/10-PC-TINNERS-FORGED-STEEL-RIVET-SET-BLACKSMITH-ANVIL_W0QQitemZ170073319766QQihZ007QQcategoryZ13869QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170073319766 Keith At 09:18 PM 1/25/2007, you wrote: >Hi Dave >A head forming tool, hang on and I will go out to my shed, take a >photo and make a web page. 1/2 hour > >Peter, Oz > >> >>>. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. >>>Paul >> >>Even I am NOT going to touch that one! >> Dave >>PS, Hi Marion! >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: >1/24/2007 6:48 PM Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 20:20:15 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:20:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting Message-ID: <00bb01c74101$47cd2d30$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Here are more limks http://www.sapphireproducts.co.uk/4620t5.htm http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/automation/PDFs/tinman.pdf http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/automation/PDFs/dome.pdf http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/automation/PDFs/cntrflat.pdf Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 20:21:50 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:21:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net><001401c740f9$26edc6e0$240110ac@FAMILY> <00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <003801c74101$81bf7750$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Peter, pictures sure help a dumb person understand. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Hi guys > > I am not the expert here but these are what I have and typically can't > find the rest somewhere in my shed. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rivets.htm this is a > dead link off my R&V site. > You can see the form part of the tool, not sure what the hole is used for, > I asked my Dad but he is not sure either. The other top hole goes down > about 3/4" and has another hole coming in from the edge??? > > Also look at: > http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=9354 From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 20:23:09 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:23:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><45B8C368.9020207@imc-group.com> <006301c740dd$dc6d01f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <00c101c74101$afbcb0a0$0601a8c0@altech> YES Peter, Oz > Ok Curt but do you use a special forming tool in order to get all the > heads looking the same? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > > >> Paul, >> Go down to your local industrial fastener house and buy some 1/8" hot >> rivets about a 1/4" long. Roll and drill 2 holes, one on each end. Hot >> rivet those. Then drill a hole at the mid point and hot rivet it. Then >> fill in the rest. You'll enjoy hot riveting.....it's quite fun. I did >> both saw tables on the Herc and Famous engines. >> Did the Stover use galvanized like the IHC engines? or plain sheet? If >> plain are you going to age it first? >> Has anyone had luck with aging techniques for galvanized? >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Jan 25 20:44:39 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:44:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Riveting Message-ID: <20070125.204439.2232.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> G'day Peter. The hole beside the dimple is to put over the end of the rivet after it has been inserted in the two pieces of metal. It compresses everything together before mashing the rivet down over them. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:03:32 +1100 "Peter Lowe" writes: > Hi guys > > I am not the expert here but these are what I have and typically > can't find > the rest somewhere in my shed. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rivets.htm this is > a dead > link off my R&V site. > You can see the form part of the tool, not sure what the hole is > used for, I > asked my Dad but he is not sure either. The other top hole goes down > about > 3/4" and has another hole coming in from the edge??? > > Also look at: > http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=9354 > > As has already been said, you can just shape a drill bit and drill > into the > end of a steel block, that then forms the head of the rivet. A piece > of > steel bar or flat can be used to flatten the rear side. > I have used large welding rods, clean off the flux and cut to > length, the > tool will form a head for you, > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 20:52:01 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:52:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net><001401c740f9$26edc6e0$240110ac@FAMILY><00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> <003801c74101$81bf7750$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <00c701c74105$b81ba590$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Paul No one of this forum is dumb, that is why this is such a great group. There are all walks of life and experiecnes here. I would bid on that eBay stuff but the postage to Oz in a killer ;-((( Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Thanks Peter, pictures sure help a dumb person understand. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > > >> Hi guys >> >> I am not the expert here but these are what I have and typically can't >> find the rest somewhere in my shed. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rivets.htm this is a >> dead link off my R&V site. >> You can see the form part of the tool, not sure what the hole is used >> for, I asked my Dad but he is not sure either. The other top hole goes >> down about 3/4" and has another hole coming in from the edge??? >> >> Also look at: >> http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=9354 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jan 25 20:57:00 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:57:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> <001401c740f9$26edc6e0$240110ac@FAMILY> <00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <45B98A1C.6020303@telenet.net> Those are rivet staking/setting tools in that bottom picture. To use them you put the rivet through the parts with the preformed head on the inside. Make sure that the rivet is long enough (usually you need twice the diameter of the rivet to form a head. Put the rivet on a suitable riveting buck (anvil horn or solid hunk of steel) Then you take the heading tools you show in those pictures. Pick the one you need for the rivet diameter. Slide the hole down over the rivet and hit the header once to tighten the parts. Now you take the hammer and hit the rivet stem STRAIGHT down once. This will upset the rivet and lock the parts together. Now you take a hammer and form the head down until it is ready for the final forming which is what you use the hollow depression for. Put it on the head area you are forming and give the tool a GOOD SOLID HIT and it should form the head into a nice even shape. Most of the staking and heading tools I have are home smithed tools. Maybe a project for a budding blacksmith on the list..... Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi guys > > I am not the expert here but these are what I have and typically can't > find the rest somewhere in my shed. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rivets.htm this is a > dead link off my R&V site. > You can see the form part of the tool, not sure what the hole is used > for, I asked my Dad but he is not sure either. The other top hole goes > down about 3/4" and has another hole coming in from the edge??? > > Also look at: > http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=9354 > > As has already been said, you can just shape a drill bit and drill into > the end of a steel block, that then forms the head of the rivet. A piece > of steel bar or flat can be used to flatten the rear side. > I have used large welding rods, clean off the flux and cut to length, > the tool will form a head for you, > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jan 25 21:02:35 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:02:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <45B95FE5.3040003@telenet.net> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> <45B95FE5.3040003@telenet.net> Message-ID: <45B98B6B.5060409@telenet.net> More rivets than you could ever want.... http://www.rivetsinstock.com/ http://www.hansonrivet.com/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 17:05:19 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:05:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <410658.73302.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009d01c740e6$0d04e9b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Ron, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Paul, Go to www.mcmaster.com They have all kinds of rivet material, size, > length, and head type. They also have a rivet setter for shaping heads > etc. You can order on line from them. and delivery is excelent. > Ron > > > Paul Maples wrote: > Peter we have a couple of sheet metal shops here in my little town but I > am > willing to bet you they don't have any of these rivets but I will call > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 21:22:05 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:22:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><45B95FE5.3040003@telenet.net> <45B98B6B.5060409@telenet.net> Message-ID: <00cd01c74109$eafe6480$0601a8c0@altech> WOW Steve, great work my friend. Peter, Oz > > More rivets than you could ever want.... > > http://www.rivetsinstock.com/ > http://www.hansonrivet.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jan 25 23:59:12 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:59:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Oz Day Message-ID: <20070126080018.XRQV19269.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> A happy Australia Day to everyone in Oz :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jan 26 01:24:13 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:24:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Oz Day References: <20070126080018.XRQV19269.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <018001c7412b$c4d6a930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Went to Australia day show at the Ncle foreshore. I tossed it in at 2.30 as it was getting way too hot. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:59 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Oz Day >A happy Australia Day to everyone in Oz :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jan 26 01:49:52 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:49:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net><009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> <200701252318730.SM05916@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: and an assortment of Cleco's sure don't hurt either..see 110081561079 on that other site. Kit also available from McMaster, Paul. Good Luck, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Here's what you need Paul: > http://cgi.ebay.com/10-PC-TINNERS-FORGED-STEEL-RIVET-SET-BLACKSMITH-ANVIL_W0QQitemZ170073319766QQihZ007QQcategoryZ13869QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170073319766 > > Keith > > > > At 09:18 PM 1/25/2007, you wrote: > >Hi Dave > >A head forming tool, hang on and I will go out to my shed, take a > >photo and make a web page. 1/2 hour > > > >Peter, Oz > > > >> > >>>. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. > >>>Paul > >> > >>Even I am NOT going to touch that one! > >> Dave > >>PS, Hi Marion! > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: > >1/24/2007 6:48 PM > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 03:58:34 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:58:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <00bb01c74101$47cd2d30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001101c74141$4ef04f80$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Peter, you are a great help to me and I appreciate it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Hi all > > Here are more limks > http://www.sapphireproducts.co.uk/4620t5.htm > > http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/automation/PDFs/tinman.pdf > > http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/automation/PDFs/dome.pdf > > http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/automation/PDFs/cntrflat.pdf > > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 04:01:42 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:01:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net><009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> <200701252318730.SM05916@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <001801c74141$bee496c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Keith, I am bidding on it in the background. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Here's what you need Paul: > http://cgi.ebay.com/10-PC-TINNERS-FORGED-STEEL-RIVET-SET-BLACKSMITH-ANVIL_W0QQitemZ170073319766QQihZ007QQcategoryZ13869QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170073319766 > > Keith > > > > At 09:18 PM 1/25/2007, you wrote: >>Hi Dave >> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 04:06:16 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:06:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><45B95FE5.3040003@telenet.net><45B98B6B.5060409@telenet.net> <00cd01c74109$eafe6480$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <002a01c74142$622e7fd0$240110ac@FAMILY> Guys I just want to say thanks to each and everyone of you for all the great information and advice you are giving and will continue to give me. I don't want to keep tying up bandwidth by saying thanks to each response but you know that I am grateful for the friendship and help that each of you so generously give me. Thanks so much and keep those letters and cards coming in. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > WOW Steve, great work my friend. > Peter, Oz > > > > >> From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Jan 26 04:26:09 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:26:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net><009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech><200701252318730.SM05916@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <001801c74141$bee496c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <001801c74145$292751a0$0601a8c0@altech> I think he is making a few dollars out of the postage. His rate is $15.11 from NY to LA when I did a costing to Rob's I had a large heavy R&V muffler send from Lee Pederson's in Lynbrook, NY to Rob's in LA for $3. He wants $45US to Oz, if WAS going to bid, but they are yours Paul ;-))) Peter, Oz > Thanks Keith, I am bidding on it in the background. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Kinney" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:18 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > > >> Here's what you need Paul: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/10-PC-TINNERS-FORGED-STEEL-RIVET-SET-BLACKSMITH-ANVIL_W0QQitemZ170073319766QQihZ007QQcategoryZ13869QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170073319766 >> >> Keith >> >> >> >> At 09:18 PM 1/25/2007, you wrote: >>>Hi Dave >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Fri Jan 26 07:53:02 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:53:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> <001401c740f9$26edc6e0$240110ac@FAMILY> <00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070126125334.8296F22848B@md5.pennswoods.net> Peter you did not post a photo of the most important tool. HAMMER R Fink PA At 03:03 PM 1/26/2007 +1100, you wrote: >Hi guys > >I am not the expert here but these are what I have and typically >can't find the rest somewhere in my shed. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rivets.htm this is >a dead link off my R&V site. >You can see the form part of the tool, not sure what the hole is >used for, I asked my Dad but he is not sure either. The other top >hole goes down about 3/4" and has another hole coming in from the edge??? > >Also look at: >http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=9354 > >As has already been said, you can just shape a drill bit and drill >into the end of a steel block, that then forms the head of the >rivet. A piece of steel bar or flat can be used to flatten the rear side. >I have used large welding rods, clean off the flux and cut to >length, the tool will form a head for you, > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 05:09:56 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:09:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net><009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech><200701252318730.SM05916@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com><001801c74141$bee496c0$240110ac@FAMILY> <001801c74145$292751a0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <007d01c7414b$4762fa10$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Peter but I see there are four other bidders and the "reserve price" has not been reached yet but I do have in a fair bid on it so we will see how this turns out. At lease I now know what all I need and how to do the job thanks to you and all the fine folks on the list. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting >I think he is making a few dollars out of the postage. His rate is $15.11 >from NY to LA when I did a costing to Rob's > I had a large heavy R&V muffler send from Lee Pederson's in Lynbrook, NY > to Rob's in LA for $3. > He wants $45US to Oz, if WAS going to bid, but they are yours Paul ;-))) > > Peter, Oz > > From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jan 26 04:44:40 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:44:40 EST Subject: [SEL] Riveting Message-ID: In a message dated 1/26/2007 12:26:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, falcon at telenet.net writes: Now you take a hammer and form the head down until it is ready for the final forming which is what you use the hollow depression for. Put it on the head area you are forming and give the tool a GOOD SOLID HIT and it should form the head into a nice even shape. Peter, It should also be noted that this works best when the rivet is of the proper length. Too long or too short and it will end up being a royal mess. Paul would be best to practice with some scrap metal of the same thickness as his muffler. He may have to shorten the length of the rivet to make a nice job. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 26 07:28:55 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:28:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Oy! Oy! Oy! Message-ID: To my mates down under: Pour a glass of Bundy, Throw another 'roo chop on the barbie, Have a bonzer Australia Day. Rob From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 26 07:50:04 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:50:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <006301c740dd$dc6d01f0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <45B8C368.9020207@imc-group.com> <006301c740dd$dc6d01f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <45BA232C.4080608@imc-group.com> Paul, If you are really concerned about the look of the peaned head then put the hot rivet head on the outside. To buck a hot rivet put your smallest tip on your ox/actl. welder and heat the inside portion (the shank) red hot. Then take your small hammer and work the inside down until flush. Being hot you'll only need a few hits to get it right. Curt Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Curt but do you use a special forming tool in order to get all the > heads looking the same? > > Paul > > >> Paul, >> Go down to your local industrial fastener house and buy some 1/8" hot >> rivets about a 1/4" long. Roll and drill 2 holes, one on each end. >> Hot rivet those. Then drill a hole at the mid point and hot rivet it. >> Then fill in the rest. You'll enjoy hot riveting.....it's quite fun. >> I did both saw tables on the Herc and Famous engines. >> Did the Stover use galvanized like the IHC engines? or plain sheet? >> If plain are you going to age it first? >> Has anyone had luck with aging techniques for galvanized? > From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Jan 26 12:42:39 2007 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:42:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Riveting In-Reply-To: <200701261700.l0QH03pq002637@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Seems that there is some expertise with riveting on the list. I think that they need to perform a demonstation at the SIAM show this year. I just happen to know where there is a steamer needing a new smoke stack with lots of rivets (grin) See ya June 8-10 _________________________________________________________________ Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Jan 26 12:44:00 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:44:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oy! Oy! Oy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070127074251.01e2db38@ncable.com.au> Good on ya Rob. Bloody ripper mate. for what it's worth don't mention the cricket either !!!! there could be some POMS on the list regards Russell At 02:28 AM 27/01/2007, you wrote: >To my mates down under: >Pour a glass of Bundy, >Throw another 'roo chop on the barbie, >Have a bonzer Australia Day. > >Rob > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From wilson at stny.rr.com Fri Jan 26 18:07:08 2007 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:07:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch In-Reply-To: <007d01c7414b$4762fa10$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Who amoungst us knows about propane torches? I want to purchase another one for soldering pipes and/or "brazing aluminum" with that funny rod. I have only had the cheepie ones that blow out if you tilt them. Thanks, Glenn From rex002 at centurytel.net Fri Jan 26 18:16:41 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:16:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oy! Oy! Oy! References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070127074251.01e2db38@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001401c741b9$2fefac20$6500a8c0@home> Happy Late Aussie Day all of you ! May your headaches go away within the next day or two REx. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Oy! Oy! Oy! > Good on ya Rob. Bloody ripper mate. > > for what it's worth don't mention the cricket either !!!! there could be > some POMS on the list > regards Russell > > > > At 02:28 AM 27/01/2007, you wrote: > >>To my mates down under: >>Pour a glass of Bundy, >>Throw another 'roo chop on the barbie, >>Have a bonzer Australia Day. >> >>Rob >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Jan 26 18:52:28 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:52:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch Message-ID: <20070126.215244.252.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Glenn, Why don't ya go with a plumber's Acetyline torch ? We used to use propane torches in the vinyl / asbestos tile trade. But, today, they just use the small ones due to fire regulations. For some reason, we aren't allowed to take a tank & torch on the job. I have one from a company called Goss Gas here in Glenshaw, (Pittsburgh,) PA. You can run it at idle and there is a lever that allows a good blast of propane when you want to use it. We also use a regulator on the tank. We used the 10 lb tank which was short & stubby compared to the 20 lb used on Propane Grills. A torch setup back then ( 10-20 years ago ) cost around $150 Probably over $250 now. Check out their site - http://www.gossonline.com/site/combination_torch_&_tip.php Pan down to # AP-55 (Ready Flame Propane Torch) A bit of an over-kill to solder pipes but nice to have. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Jan 26 19:42:40 2007 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:42:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch Message-ID: <410-22007162734240265@earthlink.net> You can get a map gas torch for about $20 at many of the different home builder type stores. You can lay them on their side and they won't go out. They will heat up copper for soldering in less than 30 sec's, Iv'e also used one for silver solder with good results. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Glenn Wilson > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 1/26/2007 8:15:21 PM > Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch > > Who amoungst us knows about propane torches? > I want to purchase another one for soldering pipes and/or "brazing aluminum" > with that funny rod. > I have only had the cheepie ones that blow out if you tilt them. > Thanks, Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 16:53:00 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:53:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More Rivet Pictures on Muffler Message-ID: <008d01c741ad$7efb6220$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Gang I took the muffler apart today and got some more pictures and measurements. As you will remember here is a picture of the line of rivets on the outside of the muffler: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler397.jpg I measured the top of the rivet on the outside of the muffler shell and it is roughly 1/4": http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler398.jpg Looking inside of the shell where the end of the rivet was bucked the head is roughly 3/8" in diameter: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler399.jpg As best as I can measure the thickness of the shell (single layer) using my vernier it is roughly .043 and I say roughly as the metal on the shell is heavily rusted. This would make the lap joint thickness about .086 or somewhere in there: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler400.jpg So now I need to select the right size rivet, the right length, the right staking and setting tool and get with it. There are 13 rivets. So now you rivet experts come through for me and fill in what I need and then I will try and get it. To get a rivet with the head you see in the picture do I order a special rivet or just use a special staking and setting tool to get the head design? Since the top of the rivet head is about 1/4" and the bottom of the rivet where it is peened over is about 3/8" what shaft size rivet would you suggest I get? And since the total thickness of the lapped joint appears to be about .086 thickness what length would you suggest I get? Thanks for the help. Paul From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Jan 27 03:18:52 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:18:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] More Rivet Pictures on Muffler Message-ID: <012720071118.25565.45BB351C0003BCC0000063DD219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Ok Paul got to get my 2 cents in. Why are you even making a new muffler? Looks to me like the one you have after sandblasting and painting will last your life time anyway! Besides that mine is identical to yours and after cleaning,etc. is looking and working fine. Curt > Ok Gang I took the muffler apart today and got some more pictures and > measurements. As you will remember here is a picture of the line of rivets on > the outside of the muffler: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler397.jpg > > I measured the top of the rivet on the outside of the muffler shell and it is > roughly 1/4": > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler398.jpg > > Looking inside of the shell where the end of the rivet was bucked the head is > roughly 3/8" in diameter: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler399.jpg > > As best as I can measure the thickness of the shell (single layer) using my > vernier it is roughly .043 and I say roughly as the metal on the shell is > heavily rusted. This would make the lap joint thickness about .086 or somewhere > in there: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler400.jpg > > So now I need to select the right size rivet, the right length, the right > staking and setting tool and get with it. There are 13 rivets. So now you rivet > experts come through for me and fill in what I need and then I will try and get > it. To get a rivet with the head you see in the picture do I order a special > rivet or just use a special staking and setting tool to get the head design? > Since the top of the rivet head is about 1/4" and the bottom of the rivet where > it is peened over is about 3/8" what shaft size rivet would you suggest I get? > And since the total thickness of the lapped joint appears to be about .086 > thickness what length would you suggest I get? > > Thanks for the help. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig at telus.net Sat Jan 27 06:33:51 2007 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:33:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] More Rivet Pictures on Muffler In-Reply-To: <008d01c741ad$7efb6220$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <008d01c741ad$7efb6220$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <45BB62CF.3050304@telus.net> Hello Paul, I just looked it up in my book on aircraft riveting. This is for aluminum rivets but info for steel rivets should be similar. It tells me to use a 3/32" brazier head rivet 1/4" long to get heads that would look similar to those in the pictures. The riveting was most likely done at the factory using a squeeze riveting machine. It's not worth heating a rivet that small as it would cool before you could do any head forming. This is how I would do it- Install the rivet from the inside and use a heavy bar mounted in a vise to hold the rivet in place and to use as a bucking bar for the inside. I wouldn't be too concerned if the head gets deformed as it won't be seen anyway. You could drill or machine a dimple in the bar to set the rivet head into if you want to maintain the head shape. I would form the outside head with simple swift blows using about an 8 oz. hammer. The head will form as shown in your picture of the out side rivet head if you hit the end of the rivet squarely. This takes a bit of practice to get it right. The following formula give the proper dimensions of the formed head: dia. of formed head= 1 1/2 x dia. of rivet; thickness of formed head= 1/2 x dia. of rivet. A round head rivet should work well on the inside if you have trouble finding a brazier head rivet. Hope that helps you out. Rupert Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Gang I took the muffler apart today and got some more pictures and measurements. As you will remember here is a picture of the line of rivets on the outside of the muffler: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler397.jpg > > I measured the top of the rivet on the outside of the muffler shell and it is roughly 1/4": > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler398.jpg > > Looking inside of the shell where the end of the rivet was bucked the head is roughly 3/8" in diameter: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler399.jpg > > As best as I can measure the thickness of the shell (single layer) using my vernier it is roughly .043 and I say roughly as the metal on the shell is heavily rusted. This would make the lap joint thickness about .086 or somewhere in there: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler400.jpg > > So now I need to select the right size rivet, the right length, the right staking and setting tool and get with it. There are 13 rivets. So now you rivet experts come through for me and fill in what I need and then I will try and get it. To get a rivet with the head you see in the picture do I order a special rivet or just use a special staking and setting tool to get the head design? Since the top of the rivet head is about 1/4" and the bottom of the rivet where it is peened over is about 3/8" what shaft size rivet would you suggest I get? And since the total thickness of the lapped joint appears to be about .086 thickness what length would you suggest I get? > > Thanks for the help. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From wilson at stny.rr.com Sat Jan 27 09:35:18 2007 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:35:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch In-Reply-To: <410-22007162734240265@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Is map hotter? Why doesn't it go out when you tip it on its side? Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Tim Christoff Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:43 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Propane Torch You can get a map gas torch for about $20 at many of the different home builder type stores. You can lay them on their side and they won't go out. They will heat up copper for soldering in less than 30 sec's, Iv'e also used one for silver solder with good results. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Glenn Wilson > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 1/26/2007 8:15:21 PM > Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch > > Who amoungst us knows about propane torches? > I want to purchase another one for soldering pipes and/or "brazing aluminum" > with that funny rod. > I have only had the cheepie ones that blow out if you tilt them. > Thanks, Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 27 09:45:58 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:45:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch References: Message-ID: MAPP is hotter, Glenn. Here's a good site and BernzOmatic seems to be the standard: http://www.bernzomatic.com/bernzomatic/consumer/jhtml/index.jhtml?_requestid=103046 RickinMt. > Is map hotter? > Why doesn't it go out when you tip it on its side? > Glenn From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jan 27 10:14:13 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:14:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch In-Reply-To: References: <410-22007162734240265@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070127131321.0cebd608@mail.alltel.net> Hi Glenn, At 12:35 PM 1/27/2007, you wrote: >Is map hotter? YES! >Why doesn't it go out when you tip it on its side? Magic! >Glenn Dave >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Tim >Christoff >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:43 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] Propane Torch > > >You can get a map gas torch for about $20 at many of the different home >builder type stores. You can lay them on their side and they won't go out. >They will heat up copper for soldering in less than 30 sec's, Iv'e also >used one for silver solder with good results. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Glenn Wilson > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 1/26/2007 8:15:21 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch > > > > Who amoungst us knows about propane torches? > > I want to purchase another one for soldering pipes and/or "brazing >aluminum" > > with that funny rod. > > I have only had the cheepie ones that blow out if you tilt them. > > Thanks, Glenn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From enginepaul at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 10:15:58 2007 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:15:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch In-Reply-To: References: <410-22007162734240265@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0701271015g7d160ce7ta2499e2a1f4c5c80@mail.gmail.com> I don't know about the aluminum use - I've never tried it, but I have soldered some copper before. MAPP burns hotter than propane and is your best bet. (MAPP gas is made by combining liquefied petroleum gas with Methylacetylene-Propadiene.) Acetylene is the best if you are doing a lot of plumbing work; but for most people, even small contractors, the mapp or propane is more convenient. Get a flexible hose set-up. They aren't very expensive but are very helpful in many plumbing situations; much better than the head attached to a cylinder. The solder make a difference too. The Harris company makes many different kinds for special work, but you would probably find what you need at a plumbing supply store - not sure about Home depot type places. Harris even has a low temperature silver solder that is require in some underground installations if you are getting permits. That's all I can think of for now Paul Former contractor in SanFran From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Jan 27 10:23:13 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:23:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070127131321.0cebd608@mail.alltel.net> References: <410-22007162734240265@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20070127131321.0cebd608@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <2c9e7566f8e8307881c2a1138172addc@chartertn.net> I've got a standard little propane torch, and if I let it warm up for a half minute or so, it doesn't go out when tipped on its side or upside down. It will when first lit and still cold. John From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Jan 27 21:30:40 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:30:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] just got back from India... Dave Rotigel would hate the place... Message-ID: <45BC3500.2090207@steamengine.com.au> I just got back from a work trip to India - I spent most of the time in the city of Chennai in the state of Tamil Nadu. Everywhere in this hugely crowded city there are little maytag like pop-pop noises. The source? A contraption called an Auto Rickshaw. They are basically a little three wheel enclosed motor bike - they monoplise the local taxi market because they can get through the ridiculous traffic. There seem to be three distinct generations, one powered by a maytag like twin, one powered by a machine a lot like a a villiers single, and a version powered by the motor you would find in your mower... The net result - 1.2 million little two stroke pop pops everywhere... imagine if Portland show was only Maytags and that is what you would hear (and smell) on every city block! Paul http://www.steamengine.com.au/personal/auto_rickshaw.jpg From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Jan 27 22:32:56 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:32:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Message-ID: <00c001c742a6$26418160$af44e5d8@HP28276676518> A little engine followed me home yesterday. It has Stuart cast on the crankcase behind the flywheel. There is only one flywheel which is solid with cast in pulley. It is a vertical with external pushrods and rocker are assembly on the head. The magneto is a Lucas and I find no name on the carb, just the word Birmingham. Is has a large gas tank for the size of the engine. There is a large rectangular copper cooling tank that is plumbed with brass pipe. The gas tank mounts to an upright pipe frame and the water tank sets on a board on he rack. I have posted some pics at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009664&a=32450641&f= I hope this works, this is the first time I have posted pics on a website. What I would like to find out is exactly what do I have? I would like to have an idea about what it was used for, how many horsepower and whether it looks like it may be complete. It is apparently a British engine. Perhaps someone can point me to a web site or two that might have information. Thank you in advance for any information you can share. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 01:23:15 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:23:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: New Engine In-Reply-To: <00c001c742a6$26418160$af44e5d8@HP28276676518> References: <00c001c742a6$26418160$af44e5d8@HP28276676518> Message-ID: <6f6025160701280123q2027b8bco52cb13bdce4ee4a4@mail.gmail.com> On 28/01/07, Gary Epps wrote: > > > A little engine followed me home yesterday. It has Stuart cast on the > crankcase behind the flywheel. There is only one flywheel which is solid > with cast in pulley. It is a vertical with external pushrods and rocker > are assembly on the head. The magneto is a Lucas and I find no name on the > carb, just the word Birmingham. Is has a large gas tank for the size of the > engine. There is a large rectangular copper cooling tank that is plumbed > with brass pipe. The gas tank mounts to an upright pipe frame and the water > tank sets on a board on he rack. I have posted some pics at > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009664&a=32450641&f= > > I hope this works, this is the first time I have posted pics on a website. > What I would like to find out is exactly what do I have? I would like to > have an idea about what it was used for, how many horsepower and whether it > looks like it may be complete. It is apparently a British engine. Perhaps > someone can point me to a web site or two that might have information. > Thank you in advance for any information you can share. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the > USA, where both life and I move slowly. Nice and clear pictures, Gary. Stuart-Turner made thousands of small power engines, mainly two-strokes, since the early 1900's, but they also turned out a very large range of models, and castings for making your own engines. They had a very nice series of small open-crank engines that are much sought-after these days. I am not a Stuart expert and don't have sufficient information to identify your engine, but it looks like it could be an unusual find as most of their engines were two-cycle. The few we have are mainly P55 marine twins and the two-stroke pressure-charged H2M diesel, details of that one on our website. The one guy who would have known about it is no longer with us, Brian Sharp was the expert on matters Stuart but he passed away a year or so ago and his collection sold. Production engine details and manuals are available from Fairways Marine for a fee. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Jan 28 03:43:06 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:43:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Headless Maytag Message-ID: <012820071143.23094.45BC8C4A0003D72600005A36219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Ok guys would like to know if there is such a thing as a headless maytag engine? Met some old coot the other day that claims is next door friend owns one (he is 91yrs old). Please don't tell me that "The Evil One" has been chopping in Northern Illinois either. thank you in advance. Curt Andree From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jan 28 05:37:29 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:37:29 EST Subject: [SEL] New Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/2007 1:56:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, garyepps at fidnet.com writes: A little engine followed me home yesterday. Gary, Your pictures posted fine and what a great little engine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Sun Jan 28 06:07:02 2007 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:07:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Headless Maytag In-Reply-To: <012820071143.23094.45BC8C4A0003D72600005A36219791332903010 CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070128090316.0224cb40@webmail.accnorwalk.com> At 11:43 AM 1/28/2007 +0000, you wrote: >Ok guys would like to know if there is such a thing as a headless maytag >engine? Met some old coot the other day that claims is next door friend owns >one (he is 91yrs old). Please don't tell me that "The Evil One" has been >chopping in Northern Illinois either. >thank you in advance. >Curt Andree >_______________________________________________ Curt, I would think all the Maytags would qualify as a headless design. Call Mark S and tell him I sent you to get a head for a Maytag. He'll have to get out the axe! Doug Tallman VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, Ohio, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jan 28 06:30:05 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:30:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Headless Maytag Message-ID: <20070128.093657.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Curt, I would consider the Maytag a "headless" engine / motor. The cylinder is the head. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jan 28 07:21:34 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:21:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Took Them This Long.... Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070128102124.0d0590c8@mail.alltel.net> ......to figure this out? See: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2570050,00.html Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 28 07:38:38 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:38:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 Message-ID: Well gang, this friend of mine is really on a roll. In less than three months, a Pig, Maytag 72, JD 3hp, and Novo Rollr are back up and running. And yes, he does burn the midnight oil. Arnie, I'd like to request a picture of that Rollr tag, and then will shoot it to Jerry. It's the only way I'll find mine TIA big time! I'll get some pictures up when he gets the Rollr top coated. She's a great runner and starts on the second pull-up..just like Arn said some while back. It does run warm, but he's running it around 1200 rpm for break-in. Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. The 72 initially ran on both cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the kicker....the non-firing plug wire HAS to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to fire. Probably not a good ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. Any ideas out there? Have a good'un!!! RickinMt. PS: Arnie...no big hurry...he mentioned it runs just fine without a tag. From rex002 at centurytel.net Sun Jan 28 08:33:56 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:33:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Took Them This Long.... References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070128102124.0d0590c8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000801c742fa$1b34f0a0$6500a8c0@home> Thanks for the link Dave ; That is one reason I don't like private auctions , I made up my mind not to bid on them , at least when you have a screen name you can check out a few things about him , better than nothing , I think on at least 3 things I won I got shrilled . oh the pain . but I wanted it bad and it was very shrilling to get it. REX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: [SEL] Took Them This Long.... > ......to figure this out? See: > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2570050,00.html > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at cybertron.com Sun Jan 28 08:41:58 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:41:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] just got back from India... Dave Rotigel would hate theplace... In-Reply-To: <45BC3500.2090207@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Paul: Cough, hack, sneeze, gag, wheeze! A terrible thought to behold! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul > Pavlinovich > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:31 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL > email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] just got back from India... Dave > Rotigel would hate > theplace... > > > I just got back from a work trip to India - I > spent most of the time in > the city of Chennai in the state of Tamil Nadu. > Everywhere in this > hugely crowded city there are little maytag like > pop-pop noises. The > source? A contraption called an Auto Rickshaw. > They are basically a > little three wheel enclosed motor bike - they > monoplise the local taxi > market because they can get through the > ridiculous traffic. There seem > to be three distinct generations, one powered by > a maytag like twin, one > powered by a machine a lot like a a villiers > single, and a version > powered by the motor you would find in your > mower... The net result - > 1.2 million little two stroke pop pops > everywhere... imagine if Portland > show was only Maytags and that is what you would > hear (and smell) on > every city block! > > Paul > > http://www.steamengine.com.au/personal/auto_rickshaw.jpg > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at cybertron.com Sun Jan 28 08:48:07 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:48:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: I'll bet the Maytag 2-bangers have a coil with neither end of the high voltage winding grounded - one end of the coil goes to a plug and both plugs fire at the same time. If the ignition is too puny to fire across two gaps, shorting one out will let the other one fire. I'll bet you can get it to run by shorting either plug. Could be wrong and prolly am. :-) Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 09:39 AM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > ............................snip > > Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. > The 72 initially ran on both > cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the > kicker....the non-firing plug wire HAS > to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to > fire. Probably not a good > ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. > > Any ideas out there? > > Have a good'un!!! > > RickinMt. From rex002 at centurytel.net Sun Jan 28 08:45:37 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:45:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re, A sad day Message-ID: <000f01c742fb$bd3b19a0$6500a8c0@home> Thanks to all who are Praying , sending a card or are even thinking of Kenny Johnson , He is in need of some real support , He is now under radiation treatments and hopefully it will extend his stay with us , I thank you all again , I will pass on any messages from you , and Thanks Dave,Curt and Paul , for the reply Rex Hinz From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 28 09:19:59 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:19:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elden's exactly right. How about the plugs? Clean and properly gapped? John On Jan 28, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Elden DuRand wrote: > Rick: > > I'll bet the Maytag 2-bangers have a coil with neither end of the high > voltage winding grounded - one end of the coil goes to a plug and both > plugs fire at the same time. > > If the ignition is too puny to fire across two gaps, shorting one out > will let the other one fire. I'll bet you can get it to run by > shorting either plug. > > Could be wrong and prolly am. :-) > > Take care - Elden John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 28 09:20:49 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:20:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: Message-ID: Will mention that to him, Elden. What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > Rick: > > I'll bet the Maytag 2-bangers have a coil with neither end of the high > voltage winding grounded - one end of the coil goes to a plug and both > plugs fire at the same time. > > If the ignition is too puny to fire across two gaps, shorting one out will > let the other one fire. I'll bet you can get it to run by shorting either > plug. > > Could be wrong and prolly am. :-) > > Take care - Elden > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard > > Strobel > > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 09:39 AM > > To: sel > > Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > > > ............................snip > > > > Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. > > The 72 initially ran on both > > cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the > > kicker....the non-firing plug wire HAS > > to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to > > fire. Probably not a good > > ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. > > > > Any ideas out there? > > > > Have a good'un!!! > > > > RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 28 09:29:29 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:29:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? One way is to grab hold of both plug tips and hang on till it stops. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jan 28 09:30:40 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:30:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070128122839.0d0b22b0@mail.alltel.net> > What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..?? > >Rick Funny you should ask. See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 28 09:27:50 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:27:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: Message-ID: I'll have him double check John...this guy flies and builds airplanes, so he's pretty skookum. And is he Hooked??? fun to be around. Gave him a saltblock the other day and now he's rolling with that..needs a mag gear...2hp. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > Elden's exactly right. > > How about the plugs? Clean and properly gapped? > > John > > On Jan 28, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Elden DuRand wrote: > > > Rick: > > > > I'll bet the Maytag 2-bangers have a coil with neither end of the high > > voltage winding grounded - one end of the coil goes to a plug and both > > plugs fire at the same time. > > > > If the ignition is too puny to fire across two gaps, shorting one out > > will let the other one fire. I'll bet you can get it to run by > > shorting either plug. > > > > Could be wrong and prolly am. :-) > > > > Take care - Elden > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Jan 28 09:32:30 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:32:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] molasses rust removal question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c74302$4b9f86d0$0100a8c0@l2800> Assuming a person buy "molasses feed" from a feed store, what would the ratio be to mix up a batch for "de-rusting" old parts? Bill Runnells, Iowa From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 28 08:48:47 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:48:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How about the axe? Properly installed half-way though the cylinder? On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, John Culp wrote: > How about the plugs? Clean and properly gapped? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 28 08:50:28 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:50:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You've GOT to be joking. One full-swing single bit axe stroke ought to do it. On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Richard Strobel wrote: > What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? From edurand at cybertron.com Sun Jan 28 09:51:17 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:51:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: Ask Dave! I'm sure he knows of a way. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:21 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > > Will mention that to him, Elden. > > What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? > > Rick From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 28 10:09:07 2007 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:09:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] molasses rust removal question In-Reply-To: <001b01c74302$4b9f86d0$0100a8c0@l2800> Message-ID: <473871.83125.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use that for derusting and I add about 25 lbs. to say 40 gal. of water. I don't think more would hurt and might do the job quicker. Ron Bill Dickerson wrote: Assuming a person buy "molasses feed" from a feed store, what would the ratio be to mix up a batch for "de-rusting" old parts? Bill Runnells, Iowa _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 28 10:20:02 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:20:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: Message-ID: I knew this was coming and see there's more on the way :-)) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > You've GOT to be joking. > One full-swing single bit axe stroke ought to do it. > > On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 28 10:26:32 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:26:32 -0000 Subject: [SEL] New Engine References: <00c001c742a6$26418160$af44e5d8@HP28276676518> Message-ID: <000d01c74309$d6fd9c60$e5c30b52@no1> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Epps" > To: ; "SEL" > > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:32 AM > Subject: New Engine > > > A little engine followed me home yesterday. It has Stuart cast on the > crankcase behind the flywheel. There is only one flywheel which is solid > with cast in pulley. It is a vertical with external pushrods and rocker > are assembly on the head. The magneto is a Lucas and I find no name on the > carb, just the word Birmingham. Is has a large gas tank for the size of the > engine. There is a large rectangular copper cooling tank that is plumbed > with brass pipe. The gas tank mounts to an upright pipe frame and the water > tank sets on a board on he rack. I have posted some pics at > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009664&a=32450641&f= > > I hope this works, this is the first time I have posted pics on a website. > What I would like to find out is exactly what do I have? I would like to > have an idea about what it was used for, how many horsepower and whether it > looks like it may be complete. It is apparently a British engine. Perhaps > someone can point me to a web site or two that might have information. > Thank you in advance for any information you can share. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the > USA, where both life and I move slowly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Siddorn" To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: Re: New Engine > Hi Gary, > Certainly a Stuart Turner. It appears to be a four stroke version of the P4, > but I've never seen one before & am C&P'ing your URL onto the British UK > stationary engine group to see what else turns up. At a guess, I'd say it > was early 1930's, but ST's were a small concern & could easily turn out > things in small quantities if needed. > Regards, Kim Siddorn Hi Gary, Kim beat me in posting this to the UK engine group & he received the information that it was probably a W4 engine. These were usually home made from S.T .castings. This is covered in the A-Z of British Stationary Engines which I have copied below. It does seem inconclusive as to its O/P power! http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2631014700028520097kNBvoD (Remember you can increase picture size by clicking an icon below the picture) I hope this helps. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 10:29:41 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:29:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Took Them This Long.... In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070128102124.0d0590c8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070128102124.0d0590c8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160701281029j45afbcfejce5874c11807d6d8@mail.gmail.com> On 28/01/07, Dave Rotigel wrote: > ......to figure this out? See: > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2570050,00.html > Dave > Only stating what most ebay users already know, and the change to hidden identities is NOT a good move at all. Ebay UK are under some pressure from fraud investigators already, and apparently the volume of traffic on the UK site is greater than any other ebay site at present. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 28 10:38:45 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:38:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Link To Maytag Message-ID: <00af01c7430b$8abde330$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Maytag won't stop. Skip From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 28 10:59:51 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:59:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <011e01c7430e$7d9e06a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4443632&a=32451010&f= From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 28 11:25:32 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:25:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Maytag Message-ID: <014c01c74312$13f00d80$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4443632&a=32451010&f= From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 28 11:22:15 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:22:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Boycott eBay? (OT) Message-ID: Well folks, Well, it would appear that the 900 pound gorilla may have stepped on its dick. http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.jspa?threadID=2000298866&start=0 http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.662654/topics?start=10&sa=N http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.662654/browse_thread/thread/95ffe44104e301c3/9a27034a3f7b819$ Now the interesting thing will be to see if the boycott happens, if eBay listens, or perhaps more importantly, will someone like Google step in and create an alternative to eBay that's like what eBay used to be before they got too damn full of themselves. As Drudge would say... Developing... See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From sumron at optusnet.com.au Sun Jan 28 13:00:21 2007 From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (Gilbert) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:00:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Returned mail: see transcript for details Message-ID: <005501c7431f$53b77e50$163d6c3a@userecaf7b7be7> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details > The original message was received at Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:11:16 +1100 > from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > <008d01c741ad$7efb6220$240110ac at FAMILY> > (reason: 550 Host unknown) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 550 5.1.2 <008d01c741ad$7efb6220$240110ac at FAMILY>... Host unknown (Name > server: family: host not found) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release Date: 1/27/2007 5:02 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 28 12:31:38 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:31:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs Florida Message-ID: Hi Folks, Dave and I are going to the Zolfo Springs show in Florida February 28th - March 4th. http://old-engine.com/zolfo.htm Just curious, how many other folks are planning on going down? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 28 09:29:29 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:29:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? One way is to grab hold of both plug tips and hang on till it stops. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 28 13:39:30 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:39:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Link To Maytag In-Reply-To: <00af01c7430b$8abde330$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <00af01c7430b$8abde330$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: Have you tried holding on to the plug lead(s), Skip? John On Jan 28, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Skip Cleveland wrote: > Maytag won't stop. > Skip John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jan 28 13:57:09 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:57:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs Florida Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/2007 4:26:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: Dave and I are going to the Zolfo Springs show in Florida Arnie, Millie and I are planning on going to the show, arriving on Wednesday. I have already been in contact with Dave about it and where to stay. Space already reserved for me at the show. Looking forward to it. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 28 14:05:39 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:05:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <769f5b223eee84a338f30461f62e7ff5@chartertn.net> Yet another way is to turn the air cap either open or closed, which will kill the engine by leaning or richening the mixture. As for the coil, if it's developed some shorted turns it may not be able to fire two plugs in series, only one at a time. He may need a replacement. But try the plugs first. I use those little Champion CJ14 lawnmower plugs in mine. They work fine. John >> What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? > > One way is to grab hold of both plug tips and hang on till it stops. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jan 29 05:27:27 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:27:27 +0900 Subject: [SEL] molasses rust removal question References: <001b01c74302$4b9f86d0$0100a8c0@l2800> Message-ID: <001701c743a9$3bc32fd0$0201a8c0@acer8ff47bfe9a> 20 .1 Bill ,but not critical. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 2:32 AM Subject: [SEL] molasses rust removal question > Assuming a person buy "molasses feed" from a feed store, what would the > ratio be to mix up a batch for "de-rusting" old parts? > > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 28 14:27:46 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:27:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Link To Maytag References: <00af01c7430b$8abde330$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <01d001c7432b$897995d0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Keep on pickin' John the link is on there. Don't ever grab the pluggs on this one. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Test Link To Maytag > Have you tried holding on to the plug lead(s), Skip? > > John > > On Jan 28, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Skip Cleveland wrote: > >> Maytag won't stop. >> Skip > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release Date: 1/27/2007 > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Jan 28 15:01:48 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:01:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Engine friends are the GREATEST !! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070128233512.00af87d8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> "I love it when a plan comes together". (Hannibal Smith - The "A" Team 1983). In early December I wrote to the SEL List and Oldengine List about needing a carb for the Ruston & Hornsby PB (1 1/2 hp) I had just found. This engine had been on my wishlist for some time and eventually found its way on to the back of my pickup in November, but was without a carb. I was offered one locally but when I went to collect it, it was not the correct one. Well, Christmas was a bit late but it found me today. I visited my old friend Neville Botha today and, (unbeknown to me), he had been looking out for one for me. He had found the carb but it was missing the air shutter so he had removed one from one of his own engines and had a replica cast for me. Today he handed the whole lot over to me. The only thing missing is the swivelling brass lid to the float chamber and I can quite easily replicate this myself. The other part I was concerned about was the brass float itself but I needn't have worried - Neville had found me one complete with the needle in almost perfect condition!. The story does not end there - Neville is one of our oldest collectors and knows more about old engines (and their whereabouts in South Africa) than the rest of us put together. He had actually back traced my engines (recent) history and the carb he found is almost certainly the original carb from the engine which I now own - a previous owner had removed it and it was mislaid - subsequently the engine was sold to the person I bought it from but without the carb. Neville had found the original owner (who had removed it) and persuaded him to find it! Aren't Engine people the best fiends one could have? There is a pic of the carb here: The new air shutter is bottom right in the pic and still needs to be cleaned up and fitted to the carb The original pics I posted to the lists are here: This is a pic of my Ruston & Hornsby PT which has the same carb but the float chamber is on the opposite side to the PB carb. This is a pic of the PB sans carb. I'm so happy to have found this that I just had to share. This engine will join "Rusty" (my Ruston & Hornsby PT) & "Reggie" (The Ronnie N that I got from Reg in Aus) at shows sometime in the not too distant future and they'll all be "Happy Chappies". All my engines have names but I have yet to find a name for him, I considered "Ray" (after Ray Hooley) but already have an engine called Raymond. Maybe "Horny" but he is going to be a real little gentleman and maybe would not appreciate anything so coarse - any suggestions? (No Arnie, we can't call him "Thin Bastard" ). The downside is that pressure of work has kept me away from my engines since November and is likely to still do so until March or April - but some of us still have to earn a living. (grin) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 28 15:07:36 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:07:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Engine References: <00c001c742a6$26418160$af44e5d8@HP28276676518> Message-ID: <000c01c74331$1a1cc4e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Neat little engine Gary, nice to have for the collection. Thanks for sharing the pictures, I enjoyed them very much. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: ; "SEL" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:32 AM Subject: [SEL] New Engine A little engine followed me home yesterday. It has Stuart cast on the crankcase behind the flywheel. There is only one flywheel which is solid with cast in pulley. It is a vertical with external pushrods and rocker are assembly on the head. The magneto is a Lucas and I find no name on the carb, just the word Birmingham. Is has a large gas tank for the size of the engine. There is a large rectangular copper cooling tank that is plumbed with brass pipe. The gas tank mounts to an upright pipe frame and the water tank sets on a board on he rack. I have posted some pics at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009664&a=32450641&f= From edurand at cybertron.com Sun Jan 28 15:29:08 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:29:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs Florida In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie: Possibly. Downside is that, if I go, it will be with The Mighty Hoyt-Clagwell! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 02:32 PM > To: Stationary Engine List; Old Engine > Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs Florida > > > Hi Folks, > > Dave and I are going to the Zolfo Springs show in Florida > February 28th - March 4th. > http://old-engine.com/zolfo.htm > > Just curious, how many other folks are planning > on going down? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com From mullt at att.net Sun Jan 28 17:11:30 2007 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:11:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine Message-ID: <012920070111.19050.45BD49C20004EB8600004A6A21603760219B04049A03@att.net> I am new to small engines and I am looking to purchase my first engine. There is an engine for sale near me and I am trying to get a feel for what it is worth before I go any farther. It is a Yeager, 2hp with a Wico mag. It is a "barn fresh" engine and I believe it is running. Does anyone have a feel for what a fair price to pay for such an engine would be? I am in Missouri. Thanks for any input. Tom From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jan 28 18:19:21 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:19:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine In-Reply-To: <012920070111.19050.45BD49C20004EB8600004A6A21603760219B040 49A03@att.net> References: <012920070111.19050.45BD49C20004EB8600004A6A21603760219B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070128205951.0d0f07d0@mail.alltel.net> At 08:11 PM 1/28/2007, you wrote: >I am new to small engines and I am looking to purchase my first engine. >There is an engine for sale near me and I am trying to get a feel for what >it is worth before I go any farther >It is a Yeager, 2hp with a Wico mag. It is a "barn fresh" engine and I >believe it is running. >Does anyone have a feel for what a fair price to pay for such an engine >would be? I am in Missouri. Thanks for any input. >Tom Hi Tom, A Jaeger (or any other Hercules built engine) is a VERY good choice for a first engine! While the condition will dictate the price of the engine that you are looking at, if it is (indeed) a running engine it is worth at least $600.00. If it's not running then the following should be considered: 1.) No compression--no big deal most likely, but rings will cost you ~$30.00. 2.) Bad Mag--this could be a big deal and cost you $200.00+ to get it repaired. 3.) Bad bearings--(This would not keep the engine from running) could cost you ~$60.00 if all of them are bad. 4.) Bad gas tank--this could cost you ~$50.00. It's really hard to determine a price w/out seeing the engine first hand, but start LOW--you can always increase your offer. And remember, there are a lot of Hercules built engines out there for sale! Dave From glenn.karch at verizon.net Sun Jan 28 19:45:07 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:45:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine References: <012920070111.19050.45BD49C20004EB8600004A6A21603760219B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <005b01c74357$df51e350$07be123f@D8LJ7K91> Tom, I agree with Dave. If the engine is all there and put together properly and runs, $600 is a fair price. Sometimes they bring a couple hundred dolars more. If it needs a gas tank, oiler, muffler, choke plate, bearings, magneto repair, etc., start deducting accordingly. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine >I am new to small engines and I am looking to purchase my first engine. > > There is an engine for sale near me and I am trying to get a feel for what > it is worth before I go any farther. > > It is a Yeager, 2hp with a Wico mag. It is a "barn fresh" engine and I > believe it is running. > > Does anyone have a feel for what a fair price to pay for such an engine > would be? I am in Missouri. Thanks for any input. > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Jan 28 20:12:30 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:12:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi RickinMT, A bad coil is certainly high on the list of suspects. Check continuity on the secondary winding by attaching a set of test probes from a multimeter to the spark plug lead out. Set the meter to R-100 or X 100 and look for a reading of either 4500 or 8000 ohms depending on the vintage of the coil. If you get that reading then do all the basics, clean and set the points to 20 ths, change the condenser, change out the plugs for new ones and gap to 25 ths each. Then if this all fails get the flywheel magnets recharged. Good Luck, Maytag Mark At 10:38 AM 1/28/07, you wrote: > Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. The 72 initially ran on both >cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the kicker....the non-firing plug wire HAS >to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to fire. Probably not a good >ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From BillMil357 at aol.com Sun Jan 28 20:50:20 2007 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:50:20 EST Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 Message-ID: Maytag Mark, My Grandson and I got his #72 Maytag back together but we cant get it started, it has a new coil, plugs condenser,timed right,points set right, it fires but looks pretty weak, any help will sure be appreciated. Thanks, Bill Miller. From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jan 28 21:44:24 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:44:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine In-Reply-To: <012920070111.19050.45BD49C20004EB8600004A6A21603760219B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <200701290544.l0T5imJp061420@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of mullt at att.net Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:12 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine I am new to small engines and I am looking to purchase my first engine. There is an engine for sale near me and I am trying to get a feel for what it is worth before I go any farther. It is a Yeager, 2hp with a Wico mag. It is a "barn fresh" engine and I believe it is running. Does anyone have a feel for what a fair price to pay for such an engine would be? I am in Missouri. Thanks for any input. Tom _______________________________________________ Tom, it depends. Here is an all-original Jaeger that was mechanically perfect with virtually no discernable wear, anywhere. http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/pic_SE.htm I paid $1,000 for it because it was in exceptional condition. If the engine you are looking at is complete, it could be worth $500 to 600, give or take, depending upon condition. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 28 22:06:45 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:06:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark..I've sent this to my friend also. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > > Hi RickinMT, > A bad coil is certainly high on the list of suspects. Check continuity > on > the secondary winding by attaching a set of test probes from a multimeter > to the spark plug lead out. Set the meter to R-100 or X 100 and look for > a reading of either 4500 or 8000 ohms depending on the vintage of the > coil. > If you get that reading then do all the basics, clean and set the points > to > 20 ths, change the condenser, change out the plugs for new ones and gap to > 25 ths each. Then if this all fails get the flywheel magnets > recharged. Good Luck, Maytag Mark > > > At 10:38 AM 1/28/07, you wrote: > > > Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. The 72 initially ran on > > both > >cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the kicker....the non-firing plug wire > >HAS > >to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to fire. Probably not a > >good > >ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > Phone > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if > possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jan 28 22:36:26 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:36:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: Message-ID: <002301c7436f$cebb9820$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> AXE!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > Maytag Mark, > > My Grandson and I got his #72 Maytag back together but we cant get it > started, it has a new coil, plugs condenser,timed right,points set right, > it fires > but looks pretty weak, any help will sure be appreciated. > > Thanks, Bill Miller> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jan 29 03:38:35 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:38:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> Kaye's little 72 ran all weekend at one show on one cylinder and we did not know until I felt the barrels when re-fueling late on the last day. Fouled plug. They just keep on Puuurrrrrrrrring on. Peter, Oz > Thanks Mark..I've sent this to my friend also. > > Rick > > > >> >> Hi RickinMT, >> A bad coil is certainly high on the list of suspects. Check continuity >> on >> the secondary winding by attaching a set of test probes from a multimeter >> to the spark plug lead out. Set the meter to R-100 or X 100 and look >> for >> a reading of either 4500 or 8000 ohms depending on the vintage of the >> coil. >> If you get that reading then do all the basics, clean and set the points >> to >> 20 ths, change the condenser, change out the plugs for new ones and gap >> to >> 25 ths each. Then if this all fails get the flywheel magnets >> recharged. Good Luck, Maytag Mark >> >> >> At 10:38 AM 1/28/07, you wrote: >> >> > Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. The 72 initially ran on >> > both >> >cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the kicker....the non-firing plug wire >> >HAS >> >to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to fire. Probably not a >> >good >> >ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. >> >> Mark & Christine Shulaw >> 454 Co. Rd. 33 >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> >> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >> Parts lists available on request. >> >> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >> Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell >> Phone >> you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if >> possible. >> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I >> represent >> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and >> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 29 07:29:13 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:29:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070129102813.0d16d208@mail.alltel.net> At 11:50 PM 1/28/2007, you wrote: >Maytag Mark, >My Grandson and I got his #72 Maytag back together but we cant get it >started, it has a new coil, plugs condenser,timed right,points set right, >it fires >but looks pretty weak, any help will sure be appreciated. >Thanks, Bill Miller. Hi Bill, EXACTLY what did you expect? Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 29 07:32:04 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:32:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070129103100.0d11f2f0@mail.alltel.net> At 06:38 AM 1/29/2007, you wrote: >Kaye's little 72 ran all weekend at one show..... >Peter, Oz Lies, nothing but LIES!! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jan 29 07:03:05 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:03:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bill, It's a Maytag ... Duh... 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - They DO make lovely axe holders. On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 BillMil357 at aol.com wrote: > My Grandson and I got his #72 Maytag back together but we cant get it > started From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jan 29 08:02:46 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:02:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: I hear ya there, Peter. If my friend had not mentioned it, I'd never have known. He did put his shoe against the flywheel tho...no power at all..to speak of. I'd brought up the subject of how to turn one off. If one were to close the air way down to kill, wouldn't he be asking for fouled plugs? Friend wanted to know that. Rick in fairly nice Mt. > Kaye's little 72 ran all weekend at one show on one cylinder and we did > not > know until I felt the barrels when re-fueling late on the last day. > Fouled plug. > They just keep on Puuurrrrrrrrring on. > > Peter, Oz > > > > > > Thanks Mark..I've sent this to my friend also. > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > >> > >> Hi RickinMT, > >> A bad coil is certainly high on the list of suspects. Check > >> continuity > >> on > >> the secondary winding by attaching a set of test probes from a > >> multimeter > >> to the spark plug lead out. Set the meter to R-100 or X 100 and look > >> for > >> a reading of either 4500 or 8000 ohms depending on the vintage of the > >> coil. > >> If you get that reading then do all the basics, clean and set the > >> points > >> to > >> 20 ths, change the condenser, change out the plugs for new ones and gap > >> to > >> 25 ths each. Then if this all fails get the flywheel magnets > >> recharged. Good Luck, Maytag Mark > >> > >> > >> At 10:38 AM 1/28/07, you wrote: > >> > >> > Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. The 72 initially ran > >> > on > >> > both > >> >cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the kicker....the non-firing plug > >> >wire > >> >HAS > >> >to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to fire. Probably not > >> >a > >> >good > >> >ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. > >> > >> Mark & Christine Shulaw > >> 454 Co. Rd. 33 > >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > >> > >> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > >> Parts lists available on request. > >> > >> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > >> Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > >> Phone > >> you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls > >> if > >> possible. > >> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > >> represent > >> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist > >> and > >> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jan 29 08:51:31 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:51:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine Message-ID: <20070129.120914.868.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, I have a 1928 Jaeger 2? HP that I bought in a box. It was all there and looked pretty good. Just needed cleaned - Painted and assembled. The Wico Mag & bushings were good also. I paid $475 for it. You can see it on my site www.oldengine.org/members/betz under my first engine and pan down to the Jaeger or at my webshots http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz under "toys". I feel $600 is a bit high. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Jan 29 09:13:03 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:13:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Engine friends are the GREATEST !! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070128233512.00af87d8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <200701291713.l0THDQbZ013769@mail-gw.fsr.net> Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:02 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Engine friends are the GREATEST !! I'm so happy to have found this that I just had to share. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans _______________________________________________ Jerry, thank you for sharing. The story of your good fortune brightened my day. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jan 29 09:41:18 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (johnculp at chartertn.net) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 9:41:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 Message-ID: <1141848506.1170092478502.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> > I'd brought up the subject of how to turn one off. If one were to close > the air way down to kill, wouldn't he be asking for fouled plugs? Friend > wanted to know that. Nope. Quits running way too quickly to foul the plugs any worse than they already foul if the thing's running. But like I already said, you can open up the air cap to lean it out and kill it if closing it bothers you. Or just grab the plug wires and hang on. John From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 29 10:05:50 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:05:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070129130435.0d1cddb0@mail.alltel.net> > I'd brought up the subject of how to turn one off. If one were to close >the air way down to kill, wouldn't he be asking for fouled plugs? Friend >wanted to know that. > Rick in fairly nice Mt. Hi Rick, Guess what that little lever on the bottom of the carburetor is for! Dave PS, Books, school, eat! From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 29 10:48:48 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:48:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com><001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070129130435.0d1cddb0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003501c743d6$1ca90610$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Wrong model. Shoe leather, eat. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > >> I'd brought up the subject of how to turn one off. If one were to >> close >>the air way down to kill, wouldn't he be asking for fouled plugs? Friend >>wanted to know that. >> Rick in fairly nice Mt. > > Hi Rick, Guess what that little lever on the bottom of the carburetor is > for! > Dave > PS, Books, school, eat! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/657 - Release Date: 1/29/2007 > > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 29 11:28:05 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:28:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: <003501c743d6$1ca90610$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070129130435.0d1cddb0@mail.alltel.net> <003501c743d6$1ca90610$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070129141821.030edca0@pop3.wcoil.com> >>>I'd brought up the subject of how to turn one off. If one were to close >>>the air way down to kill, wouldn't he be asking for fouled plugs? Friend >>>wanted to know that. >>> Rick in fairly nice Mt. On a twin it is adviseable to open the air cap to starve it to a stop. Since we usually are running the engines without a load they do not get as hot as they would if working so carbon does tend to build up to soak up that short burst of oiley fuel. Also many times they are generally run for relatively short periods of time, not even getting hot. So Closing the cap and choking it to a stop does somewhat increase the risk of fuel fouling the plugs. Especially if incorrect oils are used like so many times happens, Or if an engine is not in top notch condition compression and or iginition wise. Your engines tollerance to abuse will decide a lot. TTYL, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 29 12:29:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:29:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: <003501c743d6$1ca90610$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070129130435.0d1cddb0@mail.alltel.net> <003501c743d6$1ca90610$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070129152839.0d2501a0@mail.alltel.net> MY BAD! Dave PS, Damn that's TOUGH leather! At 01:48 PM 1/29/2007, you wrote: >Wrong model. >Shoe leather, eat. >Skip >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:05 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > > >> >>> I'd brought up the subject of how to turn one off. If one were to close >>>the air way down to kill, wouldn't he be asking for fouled plugs? Friend >>>wanted to know that. >>> Rick in fairly nice Mt. >> >>Hi Rick, Guess what that little lever on the bottom of the carburetor is for! >> Dave >>PS, Books, school, eat! From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 17:37:24 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:37:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese molasses rust removal In-Reply-To: <001701c743a9$3bc32fd0$0201a8c0@acer8ff47bfe9a> Message-ID: <735422.67996.qm@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill-san, I buy feed molasses in Japan and it works well at 15:1. I think some of our So. African mates have indicated that their molasses will not work. As mentioned, ratio is not critical. Bill Y. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 29 20:30:08 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:30:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mogul Message-ID: <00c301c74427$53ffb9f0$8e0d693a@fred> Can anyonehelp me with tha age of a 1hp. Mogul Serial No.W28513. Thanks. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 29 21:10:41 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:10:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> I know this is taxing, but exercise is good for us all! Begin by standing on a comfortable surface, where you have plenty of room at each side. With a 5-lb potato sack in each hand, extend your arms straight out from your sides and hold them there as long as you can. Try to reach a full minute, then relax. Each day, you'll find that you can hold this position for just a bit longer. After a couple of weeks, move up to 10-lb potato sacks. Then 50-lb potato sacks and then eventually try to get to where you can lift a 100-lb potato sack in each hand and hold your arms straight for more than a full minute. (I'm at this level.) After you feel confident at that level, put a potato in each of the sacks. From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Jan 29 21:15:39 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:15:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover air cooled Message-ID: <20070130051559.C0F6062784F@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org> Hi, a friend just bought a little Duro air cooled with a chain driven mag. Are there any manuals available for the care and feeding of these little guys? Were they mentioned in the Stover history by Mr. Wendel? I'd gladly pay for any cost involved for copies of any literature. Thanks in advance .Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Jan 29 21:26:40 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:26:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mogul In-Reply-To: <00c301c74427$53ffb9f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <20070130052654.F37BF9B428@mx-in02.sjc.mail-abuse.org> Hi ,according to MR. Wendel, Late 1918 ish. Cya Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato,Ca. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:30 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Mogul Can anyonehelp me with tha age of a 1hp. Mogul Serial No.W28513. Thanks. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jan 29 21:28:42 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:28:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mogul In-Reply-To: <00c301c74427$53ffb9f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <20070130052837.HOLA18620.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Looks like 1918 in my book :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Can anyonehelp me with tha age of a 1hp. Mogul Serial No.W28513. Thanks. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 29 21:42:42 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:42:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mogul References: <00c301c74427$53ffb9f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <004601c74431$768d3380$dddeecdc@morris> G'Day Brian 22184 - 29672 = 1918 Thanks to Ken who sent me the lists for mine last year Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ skype ID: ozengine > Can anyonehelp me with tha age of a 1hp. Mogul Serial No.W28513. Thanks. > Brian and David Watts From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jan 29 22:01:46 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:01:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Japanese molasses rust removal References: <735422.67996.qm@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01c74434$202b1130$0601a8c0@altech> When I worked at the local sugar mill we used to place them straight into the raw molasses tanks of a wire, works wonders. The bad rusty stuff would go into the pure caustic tank for the brutal treatment. Peter, Oz > Bill-san, I buy feed molasses in Japan and it works well at 15:1. I > think some of our So. African mates have indicated that their molasses > will not work. As mentioned, ratio is not critical. Bill Y. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 29 22:24:09 2007 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:24:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stover air cooled In-Reply-To: <20070130051559.C0F6062784F@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: Hi Jim, from the power in the past vol 3 by wendel it states that they were produced on november 22 1916, production totalled 1169 engines ,they are 1/2hp engine and not many are known to exist but this was stated back in 1982 and i think a few more have come out of hiding.I dont know if there are any manuals available for these engines.cheers Dave in oz ps if you get in touch with me of list i can send you a copy of what i have on them. >From: "Jim O'Hagan" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: [SEL] Stover air cooled >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:15:39 -0800 > >Hi, a friend just bought a little Duro air cooled with a chain driven mag. >Are there any manuals available for the care and feeding of these little >guys? Were they mentioned in the Stover history by Mr. Wendel? I'd gladly >pay for any cost involved for copies of any literature. Thanks in advance >.Jimmy O'Hagan > >Jim O'Hagan > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Meet Sexy Singles Today @ Lavalife - Click here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D23769&_t=754951090&_r=endtext_lavalife_dec_meet&_m=EXT From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 30 05:30:30 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 05:30:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese molasses rust removal In-Reply-To: <735422.67996.qm@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <735422.67996.qm@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4258.165.206.180.53.1170163830.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Ahh-so. Thank u very very much. Much appreciate information. Bill-san (thanks to all) > Bill-san, I buy feed molasses in Japan and it works well at 15:1. I > think some of our So. African mates have indicated that their molasses > will not work. As mentioned, ratio is not critical. Bill Y. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jan 30 13:05:19 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:05:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it would ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH It may warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. Russell At 04:10 PM 30/01/2007, you wrote: >I know this is taxing, but exercise is good for us all! > >Begin by standing on a comfortable surface, where you have plenty of room >at each side. With a 5-lb potato sack in each hand, extend your arms >straight out from your sides and hold them there as long as you can. Try >to reach a full minute, then relax. > >Each day, you'll find that you can hold this position for just a bit >longer. After a couple of weeks, move up to 10-lb potato sacks. > >Then 50-lb potato sacks and then eventually try to get to where you can >lift a 100-lb potato sack in each hand and hold your arms straight for >more than a full minute. (I'm at this level.) > >After you feel confident at that level, put a potato in each of the sacks. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From l-d-holderman at kconline.com Tue Jan 30 13:48:47 2007 From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:48:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mogul References: <00c301c74427$53ffb9f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <002501c744b8$700426e0$8281f1d8@lholderman> A friend of mine just listed a 1hp Mogul on Ebay the same year if anyone is interested in one. Ebay item # 150086731031 Larry Holderman Warsaw, Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:30 PM Subject: [SEL] Mogul > Can anyonehelp me with tha age of a 1hp. Mogul Serial No.W28513. Thanks. > Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03)97266147 > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03)97266147 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jan 30 13:54:52 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:54:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <45BFBEAC.5070409@imc-group.com> Russell, Just what we needed, a healthy dose of warmth and sunshine! Hey this looks familiar. Is this the park area we visited at the river? Curt P.S. Next time I'm bringing my trick ski and will cut up some Aussie water! Russell Gilbert wrote: > Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it > would ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my > webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH It > may warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. > Russell > > At 04:10 PM 30/01/2007, you wrote: > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jan 30 13:05:24 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:05:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: G'day Russell, I like that one pic where you're trolling for salt water crocks. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2214974640036399874xgFcpV See ya, Arnie On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it > would ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my > webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH > It may warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 30 14:17:54 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:17:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another manual done Message-ID: <200701310019906.SM01960@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, Another manual for download but this time it's for the tractor guys. Ferguson TED & TEE vapourising oil tractor operating instructions. It's here: It's a bit big (just over 8.5 MBytes) but the quality is good. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jan 30 14:39:58 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:39:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130173851.0d46d6b0@mail.alltel.net> Good lord Russell, You are supposed to put the potato in the FRONT of your swim suit! Dave At 04:05 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote: >Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it would >ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my >webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH It may >warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. >Russell > >At 04:10 PM 30/01/2007, you wrote: > > >>I know this is taxing, but exercise is good for us all! >> >>Begin by standing on a comfortable surface, where you have plenty of room >>at each side. With a 5-lb potato sack in each hand, extend your arms >>straight out from your sides and hold them there as long as you can. Try >>to reach a full minute, then relax. >> >>Each day, you'll find that you can hold this position for just a bit >>longer. After a couple of weeks, move up to 10-lb potato sacks. >> >>Then 50-lb potato sacks and then eventually try to get to where you can >>lift a 100-lb potato sack in each hand and hold your arms straight for >>more than a full minute. (I'm at this level.) >> >>After you feel confident at that level, put a potato in each of the sacks. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jan 30 14:51:45 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:51:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: <45BFBEAC.5070409@imc-group.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> <45BFBEAC.5070409@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131094935.01e3ca88@ncable.com.au> G'day Curt; no mate not the same area. Not far away however. Remember the lock we looked at? This spot is about 4 mile down river from there on our friends property. It was pretty hard doing this for a full week but none the less we made it through. Russell At 08:54 AM 31/01/2007, you wrote: >Russell, >Just what we needed, a healthy dose of warmth and sunshine! Hey this >looks familiar. Is this the park area we visited at the river? >Curt >P.S. Next time I'm bringing my trick ski and will cut up some Aussie water! > >Russell Gilbert wrote: > >>Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it >>would ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my >>webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH >>It may warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. >>Russell >> >>At 04:10 PM 30/01/2007, you wrote: > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jan 30 15:00:15 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:00:15 +1100 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131095310.01e6f868@ncable.com.au> we didn't have any luck Arnie with the crocks! Another story was how dad and I set some over night lines in some favourite fishing holes. We did a midnight check on them after a few coldies, anyway one of the lines was nowhere near where I cast it but rather tangled in some weeds. I couldn't budge it but new something big was on it .... So in the drink I go swimming to recover this big mother fish ........ at midnigh, 1/2 pissed ....... anyway I ended up ducking under a little to pull the reeds out that it was entangled in then swimming back to the boat. Holding the line with one hand and untangling the weeds with the other (quite a feet with the state I was in) I finally realised out catch! Pulling the line through the weeds we both nearly S---t ourselves when this big long neck pocked out of the water. First thought was a bloody snake! .............. we got a large river turtle. bugger, all that for nothing. I cut it free and went back to camp for another beer! Russ At 08:05 AM 31/01/2007, you wrote: >G'day Russell, > >I like that one pic where you're trolling for salt water crocks. >http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2214974640036399874xgFcpV > >See ya, Arnie > >On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > > Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it > > would ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my > > webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH > > It may warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Jan 30 15:17:03 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:17:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001701c744c4$c0818160$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hey Russell Wife wants to know what type of dogs are they and I must say it is a pity about photo 18. Not a pretty sight. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors > Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it > would ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my > webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH > It may warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. > Russell > > At 04:10 PM 30/01/2007, you wrote: > > > >I know this is taxing, but exercise is good for us all! > > > >Begin by standing on a comfortable surface, where you have plenty of room > >at each side. With a 5-lb potato sack in each hand, extend your arms > >straight out from your sides and hold them there as long as you can. Try > >to reach a full minute, then relax. > > > >Each day, you'll find that you can hold this position for just a bit > >longer. After a couple of weeks, move up to 10-lb potato sacks. > > > >Then 50-lb potato sacks and then eventually try to get to where you can > >lift a 100-lb potato sack in each hand and hold your arms straight for > >more than a full minute. (I'm at this level.) > > > >After you feel confident at that level, put a potato in each of the sacks. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jan 30 15:47:37 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:47:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net><7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> <001701c744c4$c0818160$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: Very NICE Russell!! Enjoyed it very much as we're into the heart of winter with just a little snow falling. Thanks much. Stumbled on Webshots new slideshow presentation..pretty kewl with zoom in/out automatic feature. Then if one puts the cursor on the lower portion of the picture, a dropdown menu appears. I like that..something different and not much garbage. Take care and thanks again... RickinMt. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jan 30 17:19:57 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:19:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131094935.01e3ca88@ncable.com.au> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> <45BFBEAC.5070409@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131094935.01e3ca88@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <45BFEEBD.4000404@imc-group.com> It's a tough life isn't it! Curt Russell Gilbert wrote: > G'day Curt; no mate not the same area. Not far away however. Remember > the lock we looked at? This spot is about 4 mile down river from there > on our friends property. It was pretty hard doing this for a full week > but none the less we made it through. > Russell > > At 08:54 AM 31/01/2007, you wrote: > >> Russell, >> Just what we needed, a healthy dose of warmth and sunshine! Hey this >> looks familiar. Is this the park area we visited at the river? >> Curt >> P.S. Next time I'm bringing my trick ski and will cut up some Aussie >> water! > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jan 30 20:00:07 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:00:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: fuller&johnson Message-ID: <018501c744ec$4d33cec0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> If you can help this guy, reply direct to him please. jlhirst at earthlink.net Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Hirst To: randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:57 PM Subject: fuller&johnson hi just got my first engine 1928 2.5 hp.it is a rust bucket could you help me with correct color green and where I can get decals and possibly a picture. your help would be greatly appreciated.fuller&johnson From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 31 00:23:51 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:23:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another manual done - oops ! Message-ID: <200701311027640.SM00304@new.databak.co.za> Sorry guys, I posted this last night and someone pointed out that the download link was not working - Sorry - It's all fixed now! If you also tried then please try again and remember to refresh your browser if it is not configured to do so automatically. Jerry Hi Guys, Another manual for download but this time it's for the tractor guys. Ferguson TED & TEE vapourising oil tractor operating instructions. It's here: It's a bit big (just over 8.5 MBytes) but the quality is good. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 31 16:15:58 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:15:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, It seems as though the SEL will have a turnout at the Zolfo (Pioneer Park Days) show. Arnie and I will arrive on Tuesday, Feb, 27th (or Monday the 26th if I can talk him into leaving PA a day early!) Jim and Jan Dunmyer, Glenn Karch and his bride, and Tom and Millie Schmutz are planing on being there as well. Additionally I just heard from Curt Hollins and he (and perhaps Devin as well) will likely be attend. Others from the SEL may be at the show as well. Given that there will be a number of SEL members at the show I think a PICTURE TAKING session is in order. I suggest Friday (March 2nd) at high noon for that event. Let's plan on meeting at EX 6 where Arnie, Glenn and I will be set up. (That's right near the Park office.) See you there and then! Dave PS, I don't think that there is a tractor parade scheduled for Friday at noon, but if there is we will have to reschedule the picture taking. I should know by Wed. or Thursday of the show. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 31 16:58:14 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:58:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] CLINE v. PATTIN BROS. CO. Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131195632.01e8f0f0@mail.alltel.net> Interesting read! See: http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=24220 Dave From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Jan 31 17:28:06 2007 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:28:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] CLINE v. PATTIN BROS. CO. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131195632.01e8f0f0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131195632.01e8f0f0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <45C14226.9010405@wightman.ca> Very interesting Dave. Duncan Dave Rotigel wrote: > Interesting read! See: > http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=24220 > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Jan 31 18:48:45 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:48:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Good laugh Message-ID: <006501c745ab$7e545a50$03d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Saw this on the tractor list and figured everyone here could use a chuckle. John Hall --------------------------------- There was this very vane woman. She could spend hours in front of the mirror, doing her make-up or simply looking at her self. One day she thought, aren't my breasts to small. This thought continued nagging her for a few days before she decided to ask her husband: - My breasts are too small, do you know what to do about it? - Hmm you could rub them with toiletpaper a couple of times a day. She thought about it and didn't really understand but it didn't seem either expensive or to inconvenient so she decided to try it. After a few weeks without any visible results she decided to ask her husband again: - I've been rubbing for weeks now and I don't see any result, how long should it takr till I see any results? - Well, I don't know really but a couple of years maybe. - A couple of years! Do you really know for sure that it works? - Know or not but I known you for a couple of years and see what's happened to your arse during that time. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Jan 1 07:03:19 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 07:03:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20070101120323.6DEC5228360@md5.pennswoods.net> HAPPY NEW YEAR From avanti_64 at juno.com Mon Jan 1 06:11:27 2007 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:11:27 GMT Subject: [SEL] Happy New year Message-ID: <20070101.061150.29020.1057932@webmail43.lax.untd.com> Happy New Year from Maine to everyone on the SEL. We have more ice on the roads than we have on the lakes and ponds. Joe Kelley ________________________________________________________________________ FREE for 30 Days! - Holiday eCards from AmericanGreetings.com http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/index.pd?c=uol5637 From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Mon Jan 1 08:14:10 2007 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (James Hardman) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:14:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] eBay Jollies? Message-ID: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> Regarding the magneto trip, I have been in touch with the seller, a man I have dealt with before. I offered my congratulations and well wishes, every now and then two bidders lose perspective and that this was "his day in the sun". He's not too happy. The sunshine didn't last too long. The high bidder is a newbie and has tendered his regrets, saying he screwed up and wants out... he says didn't realize the magnitude of his bid. The seller, as Edd suggests, is straight up, a good eBay vendor... and he realizes he is facing hassle over the eBay invoice. All that glitters is not gold. Best wishes to all for a Happy New Year! Jim From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 1 09:15:29 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:15:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] eBay Jollies? In-Reply-To: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> References: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070101115628.02f5e6b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Better Check the Ebays records on this one, Wrong BUZZZZZ the so called newbie is not a newbie. They joined in 2001 and regularly bids on engine parts and other items. Look up the so called newbies history and info. And the back bidder has been a bidder since 2002 and regularly bids on engine items. The back bidder placed their bid on the 25th and winner on the 30th. The facts have still not been revealed. Don't forget TWO people had to bid rediculous for this to have happened. Someone is not revealing the truth. The seller can get his money back from Ebay if the buyer does not follow thru without a problem all they have to do is Buyer and Seller mutually agree to void the sale. TTYL, Mark At 11:14 AM 1/1/07, you wrote: >Regarding the magneto trip, I have been in touch with the seller, a man I >have dealt with before. I offered my congratulations and well wishes, >every now and then two bidders lose perspective and that this was "his day >in the sun". He's not too happy. The sunshine didn't last too long. The >high bidder is a newbie and has tendered his regrets, saying he screwed up >and wants out... he says didn't realize the magnitude of his bid. The >seller, as Edd suggests, is straight up, a good eBay vendor... and he >realizes he is facing hassle over the eBay invoice. All that glitters is >not gold. > >Best wishes to all for a Happy New Year! Jim >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 08:48:35 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:48:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] eBay Jollies? In-Reply-To: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> References: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> Message-ID: <6f6025160701010848p6058dbd7hed3a7932262b1cd8@mail.gmail.com> On 01/01/07, James Hardman wrote: > Regarding the magneto trip, I have been in touch with the seller, a man I have dealt with before. I offered my congratulations and well wishes, every now and then two bidders lose perspective and that this was "his day in the sun". He's not too happy. The sunshine didn't last too long. The high bidder is a newbie and has tendered his regrets, saying he screwed up and wants out... he says didn't realize the magnitude of his bid. The seller, as Edd suggests, is straight up, a good eBay vendor... and he realizes he is facing hassle over the eBay invoice. All that glitters is not gold. > > Best wishes to all for a Happy New Year! Jim Some Newbie! Joined June 14th 2001 and has 141 Feedback points at 100% rating. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jan 1 10:07:23 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:07:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] eBay Jollies? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070101115628.02f5e6b0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> <6.2.1.2.1.20070101115628.02f5e6b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1167674843.45994ddbbec9a@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, I'd gotten an email reply from the back bidder. His bid was a screwup. He intended to bid $19.66 and entered $1966 instead. He tried to withdraw it but the eBay system wouldn't allow it. He was very happy when he was finally outbid. 8-)) He's equally baffled at the top bid. I'll wager that the top bidder is using a sniping tool and probably intended to enter a similar $20-ish bid and also screwed it up, entering something like $2000. Naturally the "tool" keeps the bid live since it's gonna be a winner. The poor bastard holding the stinky end of the stick is the seller who has to convince eBay that he's not REALLY gonna get two grand for this mag trip and they're not entitled to big buks in commission. Ahhh, the fun side of eBay. See ya, Arnie Quoting Mark Shulaw : > Better Check the Ebays records on this one, Wrong BUZZZZZ the so called > newbie is not a newbie. They joined in 2001 and regularly bids on engine > parts and other items. Look up the so called newbies history and info. And > the back bidder has been a bidder since 2002 and regularly bids on engine > items. The back bidder placed their bid on the 25th and winner on the 30th. > The facts have still not been revealed. > Don't forget TWO people had to bid rediculous for this to have happened. > Someone is not revealing the truth. > The seller can get his money back from Ebay if the buyer does not follow > thru without a problem all they have to do is Buyer and Seller mutually > agree to void the sale. > TTYL, Mark > > At 11:14 AM 1/1/07, you wrote: > >Regarding the magneto trip, I have been in touch with the seller, a man I > >have dealt with before. I offered my congratulations and well wishes, > >every now and then two bidders lose perspective and that this was "his day > >in the sun". He's not too happy. The sunshine didn't last too long. The > >high bidder is a newbie and has tendered his regrets, saying he screwed up > >and wants out... he says didn't realize the magnitude of his bid. The > >seller, as Edd suggests, is straight up, a good eBay vendor... and he > >realizes he is facing hassle over the eBay invoice. All that glitters is > >not gold. From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 1 16:38:44 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:38:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] eBay Jollies? In-Reply-To: <1167674843.45994ddbbec9a@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> <6.2.1.2.1.20070101115628.02f5e6b0@pop3.wcoil.com> <1167674843.45994ddbbec9a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070101184250.02f6bd70@pop3.wcoil.com> Malarkey. If you mess up a bid like that all you need to do is retract your bid, ebay will even help you do it if its an abvious error bid like $1966. instead of $19.66. He had five days to do this and he didn't ?? Just sat back and hoped that someone would outbid him on a $1966. error bid for a $50. part???? I'm still not buying it. I have some ocean front property here in Ohio for sale. And now If the seller and buyer want to void the sale they can do it, Null and void the sale thru Ebay, the fees are rescinded and the seller relists. Or another alternative is for the sorry buyer to pay the seller his Ebay fees and the buyer relists. TTYL, Mark At 01:07 PM 1/1/07, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I'd gotten an email reply from the back bidder. His bid was a screwup. He >intended to bid $19.66 and entered $1966 instead. He tried to withdraw it but >the eBay system wouldn't allow it. He was very happy when he was finally >outbid. 8-)) He's equally baffled at the top bid. > >I'll wager that the top bidder is using a sniping tool and probably >intended to >enter a similar $20-ish bid and also screwed it up, entering something like >$2000. Naturally the "tool" keeps the bid live since it's gonna be a winner. > >The poor bastard holding the stinky end of the stick is the seller who has to >convince eBay that he's not REALLY gonna get two grand for this mag trip and >they're not entitled to big buks in commission. > >Ahhh, the fun side of eBay. > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Mark Shulaw : > > > Better Check the Ebays records on this one, Wrong BUZZZZZ the so called > > newbie is not a newbie. They joined in 2001 and regularly bids on engine > > parts and other items. Look up the so called newbies history and info. And > > the back bidder has been a bidder since 2002 and regularly bids on engine > > items. The back bidder placed their bid on the 25th and winner on the 30th. > > The facts have still not been revealed. > > Don't forget TWO people had to bid rediculous for this to have happened. > > Someone is not revealing the truth. > > The seller can get his money back from Ebay if the buyer does not follow > > thru without a problem all they have to do is Buyer and Seller mutually > > agree to void the sale. > > TTYL, Mark > > > > At 11:14 AM 1/1/07, you wrote: > > >Regarding the magneto trip, I have been in touch with the seller, a man I > > >have dealt with before. I offered my congratulations and well wishes, > > >every now and then two bidders lose perspective and that this was "his > day > > >in the sun". He's not too happy. The sunshine didn't last too > long. The > > >high bidder is a newbie and has tendered his regrets, saying he > screwed up > > >and wants out... he says didn't realize the magnitude of his bid. The > > >seller, as Edd suggests, is straight up, a good eBay vendor... and he > > >realizes he is facing hassle over the eBay invoice. All that glitters is > > >not gold. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 1 18:33:11 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:33:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hap-pee New Year Message-ID: "Hey Bo I can certainly relate to your situation, I spend all of my time either trying to find my way home or find a place to pee. Paul" Hey, Paul, I've recently started peeing at home, and find that saves a lot of time. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/ From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 1 23:50:00 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:50:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: new year Message-ID: <001a01c72e42$9d30aa80$a297683a@Edd> EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: new year > Happy new year everyone.I didn't crank up any engines at midnight as I > have close neighbours but late in the afternoon of newyears eve I started > up my 3HP Appleton ,2 1/4HP Galoway,3HP air cooled vertical Famous and the > 3 ball gov Alamo and watched them run for half an hour.Early today I gave > my 2 1/4HP Thompson Tiger,#1F/M Eclipse,2HP Sandwich,1HP Titan and 3HP > Field and Brundidge all a 30 min run.Noisy but fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Jan 2 01:09:45 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:09:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: new year References: <001a01c72e42$9d30aa80$a297683a@Edd> Message-ID: <003501c72e4d$c12dc430$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Happy New Year Edd, sounds like you had a great time but why didn't you start the other hundred odd. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Fw: new year > > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edd Payne" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:28 PM > Subject: new year > > >> Happy new year everyone.I didn't crank up any engines at midnight as I >> have close neighbours but late in the afternoon of newyears eve I started >> up my 3HP Appleton ,2 1/4HP Galoway,3HP air cooled vertical Famous and >> the 3 ball gov Alamo and watched them run for half an hour.Early today I >> gave my 2 1/4HP Thompson Tiger,#1F/M Eclipse,2HP Sandwich,1HP Titan and >> 3HP Field and Brundidge all a 30 min run.Noisy but fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 2 02:40:02 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:40:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: new year References: <001a01c72e42$9d30aa80$a297683a@Edd> <003501c72e4d$c12dc430$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <000e01c72e5a$5cb21ee0$a297683a@Edd> Only had 10ltr's of petrol mate.Did my best.Ran the Mogul Jr today and the 4HP Challenge and the F/J big 4 pumper.See how I feel tomorrow may give the 10HP Famous a run. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: new year > Happy New Year Edd, sounds like you had a great time but why didn't you > start the other hundred odd. Cheers Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edd Payne" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:50 PM > Subject: [SEL] Fw: new year > > >> >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Edd Payne" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:28 PM >> Subject: new year >> >> >>> Happy new year everyone.I didn't crank up any engines at midnight as I >>> have close neighbours but late in the afternoon of newyears eve I >>> started up my 3HP Appleton ,2 1/4HP Galoway,3HP air cooled vertical >>> Famous and the 3 ball gov Alamo and watched them run for half an >>> hour.Early today I gave my 2 1/4HP Thompson Tiger,#1F/M Eclipse,2HP >>> Sandwich,1HP Titan and 3HP Field and Brundidge all a 30 min run.Noisy >>> but fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 1 04:28:51 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:28:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] new year Message-ID: <002301c72da0$65d08490$a297683a@Edd> Happy new year everyone.I didn't crank up any engines at midnight as I have close neighbours but late in the afternoon of newyears eve I started up my 3HP Appleton ,2 1/4HP Galoway,3HP air cooled vertical Famous and the 3 ball gov Alamo and watched them run for half an hour.Early today I gave my 2 1/4HP Thompson Tiger,#1F/M Eclipse,2HP Sandwich,1HP Titan and 3HP Field and Brundidge all a 30 min run.Noisy but fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 2 04:25:49 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:25:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Hot bulb question Message-ID: <20070102150293.SM01908@new.databak.co.za> Hi All, Happy New year to you all. Recently I downloaded some .pdf files that I think were mentioned on one of the lists. They were scans of an old book explaining how the timing is done on a hotbulb. The files were called to . I've unfortunately managed to corrupt these files and would like to download them again. Does anyone know whose site they were on ? At the same time can anyone explain how to do a "file search" with Google. Thanks and have a great year. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 22:45:06 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 06:45:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] eBay Jollies? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070101184250.02f6bd70@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <000d01c72dbf$dfbf5410$0b5b454b@Desktop> <6.2.1.2.1.20070101115628.02f5e6b0@pop3.wcoil.com> <1167674843.45994ddbbec9a@webmail.city-net.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070101184250.02f6bd70@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160701012245n726b0ed9r5eaee069c1dbae0f@mail.gmail.com> On 02/01/07, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Malarkey. If you mess up a bid like that all you need to do is retract your > bid, ebay will even help you do it if its an abvious error bid like $1966. > instead of $19.66. He had five days to do this and he didn't ?? Just sat > back and hoped that someone would outbid him on a $1966. error bid for a > $50. part???? I'm still not buying it. I have some ocean front property > here in Ohio for sale. > And now If the seller and buyer want to void the sale they can do it, > Null and void the sale thru Ebay, the fees are rescinded and the seller > relists. Or another alternative is for the sorry buyer to pay the seller > his Ebay fees and the buyer relists. > TTYL, Mark > > http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34651 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Jan 2 08:44:13 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:44:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hot bulb question In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070102142514.00a8d498@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, They are on Curt Holland's site some where. Here are the links: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/HotBulbInfo/engine1.pdf http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/HotBulbInfo/engine2.pdf http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/HotBulbInfo/engine3.pdf Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= >From: Jerry Evans > >Hi All, > Happy New year to you all. > > Recently I downloaded some .pdf files that I think were mentioned >on one of the lists. > They were scans of an old book explaining how the timing is done >on a hotbulb. The files were called to . I've >unfortunately managed to corrupt these files and would like to download >them again. > Does anyone know whose site they were on ? > > At the same time can anyone explain how to do a "file search" with >Google. > > Thanks and have a great year. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Tel. (016) 365-5787 >Cell: 083 293 7191 >Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >www.oldengine.org/members/evans _________________________________________________________________ Your Hotmail address already works to sign into Windows Live Messenger! Get it now http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 2 12:55:21 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:55:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Hot bulb question In-Reply-To: <200701021700.l02H05CA023042@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070102224017.00afcf80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 02/01/2007, you wrote: >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Hot bulb question >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Hi Jerry, >They are on Curt Holland's site some where. >Luke Tonneberger Thanks Luke, That's them - Curt also responded on the oldengine list. Just another reason why these lists are so helpful. I do not even own a hotbulb engine but this information is always worth learning. In my "neck of the woods" a lot of the older collectors do not have internet connections and I save all these things for them (and myself - earns me "brownie points" when I can print them out and give them a copy - often means that another old piece of rust finds a new home at my place.) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From yostsw at atis.net Tue Jan 2 19:49:32 2007 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:49:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Important paytment instructions as promised References: <200612131031450328.0CECDD56@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612152000010578.1941FFF5@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612182126460359.0E38EAC4@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612212141530234.0A65A7AA@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612222221460921.0FB0ACBC@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612231010200359.123960DA@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612250843070062.1C3664DC@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612272256190078.0AD5877F@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701022249320125.29B5D583@heavyiron.atis.net> $2700+!!! What can I say but "THANK YOU" The involvement and results have been outstanding this year - Thanks! You folks have risen to the occasion and I am indeed grateful. There is still lots of bidding left, but here is the payment information for your auction items: A: PayPal Simply add up all your items and pay to my business' PayPal account - spencer.yost at sundance-consulting.com. PLACE YOUR AUCTION ITEMS' NUMBERS in the payment instruction box please if you don't mind. At the very least, put your auction alias in the instruction so I know how to credit the payment. To save me money, it would help if you designate your funding source as your PayPal bank account instead of a credit card. Either is fine though. BTW, this is a great option for the overseas folks. B: Credit Card: Again, easiest through PayPal if you have it, but I can accept them directly if you prefer. Simply drop me an email at spencer.yost at sundance-consulting.com with your evening home phone number and preferred calling times and I'll call you and get the credit card information. While I'm sure you don't need the following warning, I feel remiss unless I say it: DON NOT SEND CREDIT CARD INFO in the email. I'll make sure I have all the right items during the phone call. C: Check As usual, Check is fine. Please your alias or your auction items numbers in with the check please. Simply make it out to my business or to me personally, whatever you are most comfortable with: Sundance Holdings, Inc (or Spencer Yost) 3160 MacBrandon Ln Pfafftown, NC 27040 Feel free to email me with any questions, and thanks again for everyone's participation, Take care! Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 3 02:31:51 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:31:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 Message-ID: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a@fred> We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. of eng going on webshots if anyone interested Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 3 03:16:53 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:16:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 In-Reply-To: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a@fred> References: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070103221600.01bfb008@ncable.com.au> A good effort Brian, I wish I had the time available to speed up some of my restos; well done. Russell At 09:31 PM 3/01/2007, you wrote: >We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. >of eng going on webshots if anyone interested >Brian and David Watts >Melbourne >Australia >(03)97266147 >http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat >briwatt at optusnet.com.au >Web Site > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Wed Jan 3 12:31:28 2007 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 14:31:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 References: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <000e01c72f76$261b2cb0$fce2b748@mycomputer> I wish i were there upon first firing of that old beauty.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. of eng going on webshots if anyone interested Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sumron at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 3 13:23:54 2007 From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (Gilbert) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:23:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 References: <200701031700.l03H049D007177@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <001201c72f7d$79cc7b50$bad5eedc@userecaf7b7be7> Yes Brian That was a great effort in such a short time, Russ, is right, HE NEEDS someone like you to spend a bit of a holliday at his place for a few weeks, Happy New Year. John. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:00 AM Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Hot bulb question (Jerry Evans) > 2. Holiday Charity Auction - Important paytment instructions as > promised (Spencer Yost) > 3. Clutterbuck No.747 (Brian Watts) > 4. Re: Clutterbuck No.747 (Russell Gilbert) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:55:21 +0200 > From: Jerry Evans > Subject: RE: [SEL] Hot bulb question > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070102224017.00afcf80 at mail.cyberserv.co.za> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; > x-avg-checked=avg-ok-9387D0B > > At 07:00 PM 02/01/2007, you wrote: >>From: "Luke Tonneberger" >>Subject: RE: [SEL] Hot bulb question >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Hi Jerry, >>They are on Curt Holland's site some where. >>Luke Tonneberger > > Thanks Luke, > That's them - Curt also responded on the oldengine list. > > Just another reason why these lists are so helpful. > > I do not even own a hotbulb engine but this information is always > worth learning. > > In my "neck of the woods" a lot of the older collectors do not > have internet connections and I save all these things for them (and myself > - earns me "brownie points" when I can print them out and give them a copy > - often means that another old piece of rust finds a new home at my > place.) > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:49:32 -0500 > From: "Spencer Yost" > Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Important paytment > instructions as promised > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, > ford-ferguson at lists.antique-tractor.com, > farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com, > antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com > Message-ID: <200701022249320125.29B5D583 at heavyiron.atis.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > $2700+!!! What can I say but "THANK YOU" The involvement and results > have been outstanding this year - Thanks! You folks have risen to the > occasion and I am indeed grateful. There is still lots of bidding left, > but here is the payment information for your auction items: > > A: PayPal Simply add up all your items and pay to my business' PayPal > account - spencer.yost at sundance-consulting.com. PLACE YOUR AUCTION ITEMS' > NUMBERS in the payment instruction box please if you don't mind. At the > very least, put your auction alias in the instruction so I know how to > credit the payment. To save me money, it would help if you > designate > your funding source as your PayPal bank account instead of a credit card. > Either is fine though. BTW, this is a great option for the overseas > folks. > > > B: Credit Card: Again, easiest through PayPal if you have it, but I can > accept them directly if you prefer. Simply drop me an email at > spencer.yost at sundance-consulting.com with your evening home phone number > and preferred calling times and I'll call you and get the credit card > information. While I'm sure you don't need the following warning, I feel > remiss unless I say it: DON NOT SEND CREDIT CARD INFO in the email. I'll > make sure I have all the right items during the phone call. > > C: Check As usual, Check is fine. Please your alias or your auction > items numbers in with the check please. Simply make it out to my business > or to me personally, whatever you are most comfortable with: > > Sundance Holdings, Inc (or Spencer Yost) > 3160 MacBrandon Ln > Pfafftown, NC 27040 > > Feel free to email me with any questions, and thanks again for everyone's > participation, > > Take care! > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:31:51 +1100 > From: "Brian Watts" > Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Message-ID: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a at fred> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. of > eng going on webshots if anyone interested > Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03)97266147 > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > Web Site > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:16:53 +1100 > From: Russell Gilbert > Subject: Re: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070103221600.01bfb008 at ncable.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > A good effort Brian, I wish I had the time available to speed up some > of my restos; well done. > Russell > > > At 09:31 PM 3/01/2007, you wrote: >>We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. >>of eng going on webshots if anyone interested >>Brian and David Watts >>Melbourne >>Australia >>(03)97266147 >>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat >>briwatt at optusnet.com.au >>Web Site >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > End of SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 > ********************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 > From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 3 12:40:28 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:40:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <200701031700.l03H049G007177@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701032325781.SM01888@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 03/01/2007, you wrote: >From: "Spencer Yost" >Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction Hi Spencer and all the Guys (and Gals) on the list, Well done. This is the first time I've participated and I gotta tell you all that I've loved the experience. I met new friends, heard from old friends and ran up my telephone account just by logging on (more than usual) to see how the Auction was going. My first 3 items have closed and as soon as I've mailed this letter I will respond to the winners. (Hey Guys, Thanks for the great response to the brass engine spec. plates I offered - I'll make them with EXTRA love and attention). I also know that a few of you responded and lost on the auction - we can talk about it - if you want a plate and were one of the bidders then we can talk (after the last one closes) and agree to a price, which MUST include a donation to Spencer's auction. O.K. Gotta go now and write to those winning bidders. Keep well, all of you ! May the New Year bring lots of old rusty things to your front door. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From avanti_64 at juno.com Wed Jan 3 14:02:54 2007 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:02:54 GMT Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 Message-ID: <20070103.140335.808.960509@webmail07.lax.untd.com> Congratulations Brian, Good Job! You guys must feel real happy about the results...A great feeling when an engine is brought back to life after so many years.. Joe Kelley ________________________________________________________________________ FREE for 30 Days! - Holiday eCards from AmericanGreetings.com http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/index.pd?c=uol5637 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 3 17:09:45 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:09:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover Message-ID: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY> I am looking for a crank for my 5 HP Vertical Stover Model C. The crankshaft is 2" and here is a picture of the crankshaft out of a Stover Parts List: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCrank.jpg Please let me know if you have one you will sell or know of someone who does. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 3 17:20:41 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:20:41 -0600 Subject: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover References: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <00d101c72f9e$8da9c440$240110ac@FAMILY> Meant to say Crank, not crankshaft. I need a hand crank for the engine. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover I am looking for a crank for my 5 HP Vertical Stover Model C. The crankshaft is 2" and here is a picture of the crankshaft out of a Stover Parts List: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCrank.jpg Please let me know if you have one you will sell or know of someone who does. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 3 17:36:56 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:36:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 In-Reply-To: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <20070104013700.SGGC5563.oaamta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Great stuff. Another lovely engine returned to life :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. of eng going on webshots if anyone interested Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 3 17:39:35 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:39:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine progress Message-ID: <20070104013937.KLQK5409.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I got some more work done on the bits for my 4hp Blackstone on the weekend: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/blackstonemain.html I also had the parts I needed for the Wizard magneto on my 4hp R&V arrive from Mitch Malcolm in the USA. They are exactly what I needed :) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv4hprline.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 3 17:52:27 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:52:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine progress References: <20070104013937.KLQK5409.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <00e301c72fa2$fdba4940$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Patrick for posting the pictures of your work on the Blackstone, you are to be commended for taking on a challenge such as this. I cannot wait to see it all finished and running. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine progress >I got some more work done on the bits for my 4hp Blackstone on the weekend: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/blackstonemain.html > > I also had the parts I needed for the Wizard magneto on my 4hp R&V arrive > from Mitch Malcolm in the USA. They are exactly what I needed :) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv4hprline.html > > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jan 3 19:13:31 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:13:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover References: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000a01c72fae$5072bc20$336d4b47@mikecomp> Worst mistake you will ever make. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover I am looking for a crank for my 5 HP Vertical Stover Model C. The crankshaft is 2" and here is a picture of the crankshaft out of a Stover Parts List: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCrank.jpg Please let me know if you have one you will sell or know of someone who does. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jan 3 19:16:59 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:16:59 -0500 Subject: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover References: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY> <00d101c72f9e$8da9c440$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <002701c72fae$cc59f150$336d4b47@mikecomp> No you don't. There is absolutely no need for a hand crank for that engine. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:20 PM Subject: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > Meant to say Crank, not crankshaft. I need a hand crank for the engine. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:09 PM > Subject: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > > > I am looking for a crank for my 5 HP Vertical Stover Model C. The > crankshaft is 2" and here is a picture of the crankshaft out of a Stover > Parts List: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCrank.jpg > > Please let me know if you have one you will sell or know of someone who > does. > > Thanks, > > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rodb1545 at charter.net Wed Jan 3 19:38:59 2007 From: rodb1545 at charter.net (Rodney Beal) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:38:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] F/M Z D Message-ID: <029001c72fb1$dea1c8d0$6501a8c0@rodneyultra> I have been on the list for a good while and enjoy all the info. I need some help, I opened up my Fairbanks Morse Type Z style D to clean it up and try to get it running. When I got it apart I found that the governor weights were both broken. It looks as if they are made from pot metal and the years of sitting in the barn had taken there toll. I am kind of new at this and don't know all the avenues for parts. Are these available or am I going to have to look for parts engines until I find a good set. Thanks for any help and keep the info flowing. Rodney Beal Maiden NC rodb1545 at charter.net From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 3 20:11:52 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:11:52 -0600 Subject: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover References: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY><00d101c72f9e$8da9c440$240110ac@FAMILY> <002701c72fae$cc59f150$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <015c01c72fb6$779c16e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Mike how are you ye old scoundrel? You are probably right. The only time I ever used a crank was on a 3 HP Fairbanks Morse and I just had the thing setting on a workbench with a clamp on it and I cranked it and it busted off and the darn crank stayed on the shaft and was spinning like a prop on a ME109. Scared the Betsy bugs of be and like to have brained me. The engine finally fell off of the bench and stopped. I am making sure that all of the pivot point bushings on the igniter trip linkage are good and tight so that I can get a good set on the timing and it will stay there. The engine has new rings, new wrist pin bushing, new valve stems and springs, the valves have been ground and lapped in, the igniter was rebuilt by Ted before he passed away so it is basically a new igniter. A new Fuel Saver arm has been machined for the head. I know that with all of the new parts and bushings it will be tight to start with and I figure I may need a crank to get it spinning even with the exhaust valve held open until I can get it spinning. The fuel pump has been rebuilt with a new plunger being made, new spring, new check balls and new Teflon packing so it should be good to go. I will start putting it all back together next week and hopefully before long I can announce to all that "she lives" again and hopefully can bring it to Portland this year. I have not been in the last three years and hope to make it this year. How is the Model T running? Missed your family Christmas card this year. Good to hear from you, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > No you don't. There is absolutely no need for a hand crank for that > engine. From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Jan 3 21:38:32 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:38:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] F/M Z D Message-ID: <20070103.213832.536.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rodney. Hit & Miss has them for $14.75 each. Also you can check Ebay. Those engines are quite common, I am sure someone on the list has some spare parts also. Good luck with your engine. I have a couple of them, not much to look at but good runners. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:38:59 -0500 "Rodney Beal" writes: > I have been on the list for a good while and enjoy all the info. I > need some help, I opened up my Fairbanks Morse Type Z style D to > clean it up and try to get it running. When I got it apart I found > that the governor weights were both broken. It looks as if they are > made from pot metal and the years of sitting in the barn had taken > there toll. I am kind of new at this and don't know all the avenues > for parts. Are these available or am I going to have to look for > parts engines until I find a good set. > Thanks for any help and keep the info flowing. > > Rodney Beal > Maiden NC > rodb1545 at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jan 3 21:52:52 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:52:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine progress References: <20070104013937.KLQK5409.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002701c72fc4$c5de3c80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A while back, I pointed Cam in the direction of Mitch. His stuff aint the cheapest but, he sure delivers what you asked for. Works out best in the long run. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine progress >I got some more work done on the bits for my 4hp Blackstone on the weekend: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/blackstonemain.html > > I also had the parts I needed for the Wizard magneto on my 4hp R&V arrive > from Mitch Malcolm in the USA. They are exactly what I needed :) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv4hprline.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Jan 4 03:49:46 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 06:49:46 -0500 Subject: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover References: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY> <00d101c72f9e$8da9c440$240110ac@FAMILY> <002701c72fae$cc59f150$336d4b47@mikecomp> <015c01c72fb6$779c16e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <001201c72ff6$6ecf7b20$336d4b47@mikecomp> Your example of the crank story is exactly why I avoid cranks. Seen too many bad examples of scars and missing teeth due to cranks. You should be able to bust yours off without spinning it. The T is good, adjusting the bearings and putting in rings currently. Can't wait to see your stover up and running. Plus you have the comfort of knowing I will come get it if it won't run!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:11 PM Subject: Re: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > Hey Mike how are you ye old scoundrel? You are probably right. > > The only time I ever used a crank was on a 3 HP Fairbanks Morse and I just > had the thing setting on a workbench with a clamp on it and I cranked it > and it busted off and the darn crank stayed on the shaft and was spinning > like a prop on a ME109. Scared the Betsy bugs of be and like to have > brained me. The engine finally fell off of the bench and stopped. > > I am making sure that all of the pivot point bushings on the igniter trip > linkage are good and tight so that I can get a good set on the timing and > it will stay there. The engine has new rings, new wrist pin bushing, new > valve stems and springs, the valves have been ground and lapped in, the > igniter was rebuilt by Ted before he passed away so it is basically a new > igniter. A new Fuel Saver arm has been machined for the head. I know that > with all of the new parts and bushings it will be tight to start with and > I figure I may need a crank to get it spinning even with the exhaust valve > held open until I can get it spinning. The fuel pump has been rebuilt with > a new plunger being made, new spring, new check balls and new Teflon > packing so it should be good to go. > > I will start putting it all back together next week and hopefully before > long I can announce to all that "she lives" again and hopefully can bring > it to Portland this year. I have not been in the last three years and hope > to make it this year. > > How is the Model T running? Missed your family Christmas card this year. > > Good to hear from you, > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Royster" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:16 PM > Subject: Re: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > > >> No you don't. There is absolutely no need for a hand crank for that >> engine. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 4 06:06:45 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:06:45 -0500 Subject: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover References: <00c801c72f9d$064fea20$240110ac@FAMILY><00d101c72f9e$8da9c440$240110ac@FAMILY><002701c72fae$cc59f150$336d4b47@mikecomp><015c01c72fb6$779c16e0$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c72ff6$6ecf7b20$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <004501c73009$91a61c90$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> I remember that story. I showed it to Betty and she couldn't believe that some body would do something like that. Amazing. I'll bet if you get an engine crank and throw it around a room full of pepole, you will eventyally conk some one with it.:---) Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:49 AM Subject: Re: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > Your example of the crank story is exactly why I avoid cranks. Seen too > many bad examples of scars and missing teeth due to cranks. You should be > able to bust yours off without spinning it. The T is good, adjusting the > bearings and putting in rings currently. > Can't wait to see your stover up and running. Plus you have the comfort > of knowing I will come get it if it won't run!!!! > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover > > >> Hey Mike how are you ye old scoundrel? You are probably right. >> >> The only time I ever used a crank was on a 3 HP Fairbanks Morse and I >> just > > >> had the thing setting on a workbench with a clamp on it and I cranked it >> and it busted off and the darn crank stayed on the shaft and was spinning >> like a prop on a ME109. Scared the Betsy bugs of be and like to have >> brained me. The engine finally fell off of the bench and stopped. >> >> I am making sure that all of the pivot point bushings on the igniter trip >> linkage are good and tight so that I can get a good set on the timing and >> it will stay there. The engine has new rings, new wrist pin bushing, new >> valve stems and springs, the valves have been ground and lapped in, the >> igniter was rebuilt by Ted before he passed away so it is basically a new >> igniter. A new Fuel Saver arm has been machined for the head. I know that >> with all of the new parts and bushings it will be tight to start with and >> I figure I may need a crank to get it spinning even with the exhaust >> valve held open until I can get it spinning. The fuel pump has been >> rebuilt with a new plunger being made, new spring, new check balls and >> new Teflon packing so it should be good to go. >> >> I will start putting it all back together next week and hopefully before >> long I can announce to all that "she lives" again and hopefully can bring >> it to Portland this year. I have not been in the last three years and >> hope to make it this year. >> >> How is the Model T running? Missed your family Christmas card this year. >> >> Good to hear from you, >> >> Paul >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Royster" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:16 PM >> Subject: Re: Update: [SEL] Need Crank for my Stover >> >> >>> No you don't. There is absolutely no need for a hand crank for that >>> engine. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 > > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jan 4 11:00:00 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:00:00 EST Subject: [SEL] Engine progress Message-ID: In a message dated 1/4/2007 1:13:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: I pointed Cam in the direction of Mitch. His stuff aint the cheapest but, he sure delivers what you asked for. Have had several mags rebuilt by him and they have continued to produce great spark for many years now. Good to throw a pitch in for the engine service folks once in a while! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From mogul460 at localnet.com Thu Jan 4 14:32:29 2007 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:32:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Engine Friend Passes On Message-ID: <001701c73050$38389e20$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> This message was previously posted It is with great sadness a personal friend, Clarence Swartout of St. Peters, MO, passed away this morning. Clarence was an avid engine collector and member of the The ILL-MO Tractor and Engine Club. He hardly ever missed a Portland, IN swap meet or show. Clarence was 85 years old and I would say had collected engines for over 30 years. He was known to many in the "Engine World". [ From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Jan 4 01:53:28 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:53:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 References: <000a01c72f22$62a088f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <00f001c72fe6$307e8510$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Well done Brian, a beautiful engine and it didn't take you long either. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck No.747 We finished assembling and started the Clutterbuck t`day, still pic. of eng going on webshots if anyone interested Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 4 17:52:46 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 19:52:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair Message-ID: <00c801c7306c$32fb4e00$240110ac@FAMILY> I need some advice on the best way to build back up a worn area on my Stover Fuel Pump Actuator arm. Take a close look at the picture below and if you look closely you will see a flat area that is worn on the arm. I want to build this back up and was wondering the best way to do it..brazing, welding, metal spray, metal epoxy,etc: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuild348GPL.jpg Thanks for the help. Paul From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Jan 4 18:17:33 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:17:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair References: <00c801c7306c$32fb4e00$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <006701c7306f$a9e13400$f4d14c0c@D48VHZ61> I had to build up couple of the rocker arms on my Titan tractor. I welded them with nickel rod and then belt sanded them back to shape. Best I can recall I didn't bother to preheat since there wasn't any cracks and since the area was so small I wan't generating a lot of heat. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair I need some advice on the best way to build back up a worn area on my Stover Fuel Pump Actuator arm. Take a close look at the picture below and if you look closely you will see a flat area that is worn on the arm. I want to build this back up and was wondering the best way to do it..brazing, welding, metal spray, metal epoxy,etc: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuild348GPL.jpg Thanks for the help. Paul From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Jan 4 18:41:04 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:41:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair Message-ID: <20070104.214108.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi PAul. Maybe I'm wrong but the worn area I see doesn't seem to be that bad. Is it causing a problem with pumping ? If not, I would leave it alone. Not being a great welder - but, a pretty good brazer, I would braze it with OxyAcetyline and grind it to size. Just my opinion. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 4 18:58:16 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:58:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair References: <20070104.214108.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00e101c73075$5990b0b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Joe you are probably correct in suggesting that I leave it alone but since I have went this far I thought if there was a fairly simple way of getting to it back to it's original dimension I would, otherwise I will leave it alone. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair > Hi PAul. > > Maybe I'm wrong but the worn area I see doesn't seem to be that bad. > > Is it causing a problem with pumping ? > > If not, I would leave it alone. > > Not being a great welder - but, a pretty good brazer, I would braze it > with OxyAcetyline > and grind it to size. > > Just my opinion. > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 4 18:59:03 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:59:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair References: <00c801c7306c$32fb4e00$240110ac@FAMILY> <006701c7306f$a9e13400$f4d14c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <00e601c73075$75b806d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks John, I am certainly no welder but know a couple of guys who are but messing with this old cast is always a gamble at best. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair >I had to build up couple of the rocker arms on my Titan tractor. I welded >them with nickel rod and then belt sanded them back to shape. Best I can >recall I didn't bother to preheat since there wasn't any cracks and since >the area was so small I wan't generating a lot of heat. > > John Hall > From jbcast at charter.net Thu Jan 4 20:16:57 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:16:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair Message-ID: <1447022408.1167970617609.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Paul, I would either leave it alone or take a file and reshape it a little, doesn't seem to be enough wear to cause a problem. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 5 01:18:24 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:18:24 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair In-Reply-To: <1447022408.1167970617609.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <5jlpn2$2e51bk@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> Paul you could take it to a shop with a puffer torch and build it back up with cast iron for a mickey mouse job. Building it up with bronze is easy as well. Both methods are risk free. The nickel rod would be OK to but you may get a little porosity depending on what the base cast is like Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jbcast at charter.net Sent: Friday, 5 January 2007 1:17 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair Paul, I would either leave it alone or take a file and reshape it a little, doesn't seem to be enough wear to cause a problem. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Jan 5 07:16:08 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:16:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another Engine Friend Passes On In-Reply-To: <001701c73050$38389e20$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <001701c73050$38389e20$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070105100918.02f7a690@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Charlie, My condolences to you and please pass my regrets on to his family. Do you have a picture of him at Portland to post? I don't remember him by name but I might recognize him by his photo. Did he have a place he usualy set up there? Sincerely, Mark At 05:32 PM 1/4/07, you wrote: >This message was previously posted > >It is with great sadness a personal friend, Clarence Swartout of St. >Peters, MO, passed away this morning. Clarence was an avid >engine collector and member of the The ILL-MO Tractor and >Engine Club. He hardly ever missed a Portland, IN swap meet or show. >Clarence was 85 years old and I would say had collected >engines for over 30 years. He was known to many in the "Engine >World". Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From edurand at cybertron.com Fri Jan 5 11:16:36 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:16:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair In-Reply-To: <00c801c7306c$32fb4e00$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Paul: I'm with the rest of the guys. If it doesn't interfere with the pumping, it doesn't look bad enough to bother with. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 07:53 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Need Advice on Cast Part Repair > > > I need some advice on the best way to build back > up a worn area on my Stover Fuel Pump Actuator > arm. From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 5 23:39:35 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:39:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] John Grant - confirm address. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070106093428.00af98d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi List, Does anyone know John Grant? He won the decals on the auction but my mail (using the address supplied by the auctioneers) came back with the following error message: If anyone can give me a correct address I would be grateful. John, if you read this, please reply to me off list so that I can confirm your Postal address. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 6 07:24:48 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:24:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oilfield Engine Cart Message-ID: <1168097088.459fbf40c2105@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Luke Tonneberger started this thread with questions about putting his 15 hp Reid on wheels. This year at Portland I saw what I feel is the slickest oilfield engine cart ever. Stan Ellerbeck has a lovely Bessemer half-breed that is about the slowest, smoothest running that I've ever seen. You'd almost swear he's got a hidden electric motor and a turning gear. 8-)) He put that Bessemer on a cart that he built using house moving wheels. Damn things are MASSIVE. The whole rig looks fantastic. I put up two pictures here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Heavy_Cart/Front.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Heavy_Cart/Side.jpg I left them full size so that you can download them and zoom in on details if desired. I think he said the cart weighs more than the engine!! Stan's contact info is: 816-637-0559 and decimal-point at mchsi.com Enjoy! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 6 11:03:15 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 13:03:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stan Ellerbeck's cart Message-ID: "He put that Bessemer on a cart that he built using house moving wheels. Damn things are MASSIVE. The whole rig looks fantastic. I put up two pictures here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Heavy_Cart/Front.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Heavy_Cart/Side.jpg" Arnie, that thing is just gorgeous! It is so in scale; it just looks right. What a thing to see - it is evident Mr Ellerbeck is a man of precision. Even the oilers are filled to the same level. The CLEAN oilers... Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ >From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes has it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline1 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 6 13:33:15 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:33:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stan Ellerbeck's cart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1168119195.45a0159b07baf@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Bruce, Yeah, Stan does really fine work. The "rightness" of that engine on the cart is the second thing that grabbed me. The first thing was the MASSIVE wheels. 8-)) He's also a really interesting guy to talk to. The way he's tweaked that Bessemer, it wouldn't be able to do significant work, but by damn, it sure does run sweet and SLOW!! I hope he brings it to Portland again. I do love to watch it run. See ya, Arnie Quoting Bruce Younger : > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Heavy_Cart/Front.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Heavy_Cart/Side.jpg" > > Arnie, that thing is just gorgeous! It is so in scale; it just looks right. > What a thing to see - it is evident Mr Ellerbeck is a man of precision. > Even the oilers are filled to the same level. The CLEAN oilers... From christison at coastalnet.com Sat Jan 6 15:51:47 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 18:51:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bates and Edmunds Bulllpup info needed Message-ID: <410-22007166235147593@coastalnet.com> Does anybody on the list have, or know of, a Bates and Edmonds 'Bullpup'? I got a query today from someone in the UK who needs ignitor info and all I have is a picture from the wrong side. Please contact me off list at; christison at coastalnet.com if you can help. Take care. Ken From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Sun Jan 7 02:19:52 2007 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 21:19:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made Message-ID: <001c01c73245$5f6a4240$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi, can anyone help me please with a contact name/email address for the guy who I am told has taken over Ted Brookovers Ignitor making work. I need one for my Olds. Pics of this engine on my webshops - work on pattern making etc. underway, but the ignitor is probably beyond my skill level at the the moment, particularly as I only have photos to go on from a similar engine at Coolsprings. Thanks!! Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jan 7 03:47:54 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 22:47:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made References: <001c01c73245$5f6a4240$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <000601c73251$b2b53bb0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> ContactBrookover, Jennifer E-mail Address(es): ignitors at sbcglobal.net Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made Hi, can anyone help me please with a contact name/email address for the guy who I am told has taken over Ted Brookovers Ignitor making work. I need one for my Olds. Pics of this engine on my webshops - work on pattern making etc. underway, but the ignitor is probably beyond my skill level at the the moment, particularly as I only have photos to go on from a similar engine at Coolsprings. Thanks!! Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 7 04:05:42 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 05:05:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made References: <001c01c73245$5f6a4240$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: Michael..here's an extract from Ted's site: " contact Don Miller directly at bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net or by phone: 816-506-7920" Good Luck, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:19 AM Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made Hi, can anyone help me please with a contact name/email address for the guy who I am told has taken over Ted Brookovers Ignitor making work. I need one for my Olds. Pics of this engine on my webshops - work on pattern making etc. underway, but the ignitor is probably beyond my skill level at the the moment, particularly as I only have photos to go on from a similar engine at Coolsprings. Thanks!! Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 7 04:19:16 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 05:19:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made References: <001c01c73245$5f6a4240$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: >From Ted's site..this may also help: http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-olds-gearless.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-type-g-olds.JPG or the whole shebang: http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need an ignitor made > Michael..here's an extract from Ted's site: > > " contact Don Miller directly at bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net or by phone: > 816-506-7920" > > Good Luck, > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Young" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:19 AM > Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made > > > Hi, can anyone help me please with a contact name/email address for the > guy who I am told has taken over Ted Brookovers Ignitor making work. I > need one for my Olds. Pics of this engine on my webshops - work on > pattern making etc. underway, but the ignitor is probably beyond my skill > level at the the moment, particularly as I only have photos to go on from > a similar engine at Coolsprings. > > Thanks!! > > > Michael Young > 5 Beech Crescent > Orange NSW 2800 > AUSTRALIA > http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 7 05:11:59 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:11:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo "Rollr" model HU Message-ID: Howdy all; Looking for info on HU, radiator cooled two lunger for friend that did me a BIG old iron favor. He's like to know the carb. number, and HP of the engine. Any pictures of the carb would be appreciated also. TIA, RickinMt. From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Jan 7 07:31:06 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:31:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bates and Edmunds Bullpup info needed Message-ID: <410-2200710715316968@coastalnet.com> Many thanks to Patrick Livingstone, Doug Kimball, and Charlie Bryant. I think I have supplied enough information to the party in the UK who was seeking help on this engine. The lists come through again!! Take care. Ken From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 7 09:04:56 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:04:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo "Rollr" model HU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1168189496.45a12838d1ffe@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rick, I've got a Novo pump outfit that's powered by a two-cylinder 8 hp "HU" Rollr engine. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/rollr.htm I'd be happy to take some close-up pics of the carb. Is there anything in particular that your friend needs to know about it? I've also got some catalog info on the HU that I'd be happy to copy or scan. If you'd like the copy, I'll need your snail addy. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Richard Strobel : > Looking for info on HU, radiator cooled two lunger for friend that did me a > BIG old iron favor. > > He's like to know the carb. number, and HP of the engine. > Any pictures of the carb would be appreciated also. From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Jan 7 09:17:35 2007 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:17:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo "Rollr" model HU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a 2 cylinder Novo that is water cooled. I paid $100 and it is missing one piston. $100 would take it away. Not sure about a radiator... I could snap a picture if you'd like. shoot - you are out in CA, aren't you? Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:12 AM To: stationary-engine; sel Subject: [SEL] Novo "Rollr" model HU Howdy all; Looking for info on HU, radiator cooled two lunger for friend that did me a BIG old iron favor. He's like to know the carb. number, and HP of the engine. Any pictures of the carb would be appreciated also. TIA, RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 7 10:08:16 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:08:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo "Rollr" model HU References: <1168189496.45a12838d1ffe@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Glenn, I'm in Montana. Just doing this for a new found friend that did me a big favor. Arn...I would say for now, a couple pix's of the carb would be fine. Manufacturer and model # if available. A few years ago, you did send me some literature, and I thank you again. I have now given my Rollr, UF, I believe, to a friend and he is rollin' (pun intended) with it and should be running very soon. Thanks much! Rick PS: That's one helluva pump!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo "Rollr" model HU > Hi Rick, > > I've got a Novo pump outfit that's powered by a two-cylinder 8 hp "HU" > Rollr > engine. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/rollr.htm > > I'd be happy to take some close-up pics of the carb. Is there anything in > particular that your friend needs to know about it? > > I've also got some catalog info on the HU that I'd be happy to copy or > scan. > If you'd like the copy, I'll need your snail addy. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > Quoting Richard Strobel : > > > Looking for info on HU, radiator cooled two lunger for friend that did > > me a > > BIG old iron favor. > > > > He's like to know the carb. number, and HP of the engine. > > Any pictures of the carb would be appreciated also. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 7 10:53:12 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:53:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? Message-ID: <45A14198.8030806@scrtc.com> Is there anyone out there that lives close to, or travels near Halfway, MO? Its about 40 miles north of Springfield and about 25 miles off of I-44. I can purchase 4 steel wheels there that I could use but getting them could be a problem. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Jan 7 13:41:40 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:41:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] engine accessory Message-ID: <20070107.134141.1848.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Some one must want something like this for a display. http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Grinding-Wheel-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ1800698879 22QQihZ008QQcategoryZ1461QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Jan 7 16:02:07 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:02:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? References: <45A14198.8030806@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002801c732b8$3db609e0$9444e5d8@HP28276676518> Tommy, Go ahead and get them. I live about 65 miles south of Springfield, Mo and will be up there the next week or so. Actually I look for excuses to go to Springfield, better resturants than here in Theodosia. I can hold them here for as long as necessary. I plan to be at Portland this year, all things considered. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? > Is there anyone out there that lives close to, or travels near Halfway, > MO? Its about 40 miles north of Springfield and about 25 miles off of > I-44. I can purchase 4 steel wheels there that I could use but getting > them could be a problem. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007 > 11:11 AM > > From edurand at cybertron.com Sun Jan 7 16:48:54 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:48:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page In-Reply-To: <003601c6f088$bbb6dda0$05e14044@pengy> Message-ID: Group: I've just started in on the Edwards two banger project again and have updated my page on it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html I still need any information/specs, etc. on these oddball engines. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 7 17:29:46 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:29:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? In-Reply-To: <002801c732b8$3db609e0$9444e5d8@HP28276676518> References: <45A14198.8030806@scrtc.com> <002801c732b8$3db609e0$9444e5d8@HP28276676518> Message-ID: <45A19E8A.2090502@scrtc.com> Thanks Gary! I'll get info to you about their exact location, contact, etc. Pick out a good restaurant for you and the family and send me the tab. I'll be donating some fuel money too! Thanks again. Tommy > Tommy, > > Go ahead and get them. I live about 65 miles south of Springfield, Mo > and will be up there the next week or so. Actually I look for excuses > to go to Springfield, better resturants than here in Theodosia. I can > hold them here for as long as necessary. I plan to be at Portland > this year, all things considered. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:53 PM > Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? > > >> Is there anyone out there that lives close to, or travels near >> Halfway, MO? Its about 40 miles north of Springfield and about 25 >> miles off of I-44. I can purchase 4 steel wheels there that I could >> use but getting them could be a problem. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: >> 1/5/2007 11:11 AM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From oldengin at verizon.net Sun Jan 7 17:34:27 2007 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:34:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Federal excise tax refund References: <52a.c70c250.32d2ce80@aol.com> Message-ID: <003001c732c5$24678a60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> -For your information------------------------------------------------------ A SPECIAL ONE TIME TAX CREDIT ON YOUR 2006 TAX RETURN When it comes time to prepare and file your 2006 tax return, make sure you don't overlook the "federal excise tax refund credit." You claim the credit on line 71 of your FORM 1040. A similar line will be available if you file the short FORM 1040A. If you have family or friends who no longer file a tax return AND they have their own land phone in their home and have been paying a phone bill for years, make sure they know about this FORM 1040EZ-T. What is this all about? Well the federal excise tax has been charged to you on your phone bill for years. It is an old tax that was assessed on your toll calls based on how far the call was being made and how much time you talked on that call. When phone companies began to offer flat fee phone service, challenges to the excise tax ended up in federal courts in several districts of the country. The challenges pointed out that flat fee/rate phone service had nothing to do with the distance and the length of the phone call. Therefore, the excise tax should/could not be assessed. The IRS has now conceded this argument. Phone companies have been given notice to stop assessing the federal excise tax as of Aug 30, 2006. You will most likely see the tax on your September cutoff statement, but it should NOT be on your October bill. But the challengers of the old law also demanded restitution. So the IRS has announced that a one time credit will be available when you and I file our 2006 tax return as I explained above. However, the IRS also established limits on how BIG a credit you can get. Here's how it works: If you file your return as a single person with just you as a dependent, you get to claim a $30 credit on line 71 of your 1040. If you file with a child or a parent as your dependent, you can claim $40. If you file your return as a married couple with no children ,you can claim $40. If you file as married with children, you can claim $50 if one child, $60 if two children. In all cases, the most you get to claim is $60 - UNLESS you have all your phone bills starting AFTER Feb 28, 2003 through July 31, 2006 (do not use any bills starting Aug 1, 2006.), then you can add up the ACTUAL TAX AS IT APPEARS ON YOUR BILLS AND CLAIM THAT FOR A CREDIT. Now if you have your actual phone bills and come up with an ACTUAL TAX AMOUNT, you cannot use line 71 on your tax return. You have to complete a special form number 8913 and attach it to your tax return. Individuals using the special FORM 1040EZ-T will have to attach this FORM 8913 also. One final point - this credit is a refundable credit. That means you get this money, no matter how your tax return works out. If you would end up owing the IRS a balance, the refund will reduce that balance you owe. If you end up getting a refund, the credit will be added and you get a bigger refund by that $30 to $60, depending on how many dependents are on your return. Don't believe it? Check it out: http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/excise.asp http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=161506,00.html Feel free to pass this on or make copies for family and friends who don't have computers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release Date: 1/6/2007 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jan 7 18:14:54 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:14:54 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page References: Message-ID: <000c01c732ca$ccf24300$74412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Elden ..........some years ago I found one of these engines in outback Western Australia. It was given to a club I once belonged to and they started restoring it. I know that quite extensive work was done on it including re sleeving the bores. At the time Curt Andree sent me so much info on the engine , invaluable stuff. I am not sure how the project is going ...slowly I would guess. But if I can assist in any way let me know ,I am still in contact with the club and the members who were working on the Edwards. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > Group: > > I've just started in on the Edwards two banger project again and have > updated my page on it. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html > > I still need any information/specs, etc. on these oddball engines. > > Take care - Elden > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Jan 8 00:30:55 2007 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 19:30:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made References: <001c01c73245$5f6a4240$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <002b01c732ff$5db830f0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Thanks Rick and Reg. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need an ignitor made > Michael..here's an extract from Ted's site: > > " contact Don Miller directly at bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net or by phone: > 816-506-7920" > > Good Luck, > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Young" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:19 AM > Subject: [SEL] Need an ignitor made > > > Hi, can anyone help me please with a contact name/email address for the > guy who I am told has taken over Ted Brookovers Ignitor making work. I > need one for my Olds. Pics of this engine on my webshops - work on > pattern making etc. underway, but the ignitor is probably beyond my skill > level at the the moment, particularly as I only have photos to go on from > a similar engine at Coolsprings. > > Thanks!! > > > Michael Young > 5 Beech Crescent > Orange NSW 2800 > AUSTRALIA > http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Jan 8 04:32:16 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:32:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page Message-ID: <010820071232.4244.45A239D00007985A00001094219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Elden I might still have a extra copy of an Edwards parts manual left, would you like a copy? Contact me off list. Curt Andree > Group: > > I've just started in on the Edwards two banger project again and have updated my > page on it. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html > > I still need any information/specs, etc. on these oddball engines. > > Take care - Elden > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jan 8 05:37:58 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:37:58 EST Subject: [SEL] gasket cutter Message-ID: Antique gasket cutter on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-signed-carpenters-tool_W0QQitemZ190068186171QQihZ0 09QQcategoryZ4123QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190068186171 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From edurand at cybertron.com Mon Jan 8 06:56:34 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:56:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page In-Reply-To: <010820071232.4244.45A239D00007985A00001094219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Curt: Thanks a bunch! I've contacted you off list as requested. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 06:32 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > > > Elden I might still have a extra copy of an > Edwards parts manual left, would > you like a copy? Contact me off list. > Curt Andree From edurand at cybertron.com Mon Jan 8 07:02:52 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 09:02:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page In-Reply-To: <000c01c732ca$ccf24300$74412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Peter: G'day! Thanks for the offer! Curt is going to send me a copy of an Edwards parts list but we would like to get ahold of as much Edwards information as possible. Frank and I are trying to build a file of data on Edwards, the company and the engines. So far, the pickins' are sparse. Any adverts, manuals, articles, photos, etc. you can get to us will be appreciated. Once we get enough information to justify it, I plan to post all of it on my web page for all to have access to. Please let me know what you can get and we'll get together off-list to work out remuneration. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 08:15 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > > > Elden ..........some years ago I found one of > these engines in outback > Western Australia. It was given to a club I once > belonged to and they > started restoring it. I know that quite extensive > work was done on it > including re sleeving the bores. > At the time Curt Andree sent me so much info on > the engine , invaluable > stuff. I am not sure how the project is going > ...slowly I would guess. But > if I can assist in any way let me know ,I am > still in contact with the club > and the members who were working on the Edwards. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:48 AM > Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > > > > Group: > > > > I've just started in on the Edwards two banger > project again and have > > updated my page on it. > > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Ed wards.html > > I still need any information/specs, etc. on these oddball engines. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jan 8 22:11:24 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:11:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page References: Message-ID: <000901c733b5$01257e40$560d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Elden.....I will attempt to get what info is available. Unfortunately those concerned are not users of the ''Net'' and communication is slow . However I have requested some pictures and an update on how the restoration is going. Whatever eventuates I will forward on to you. I will also send some pictures that I have . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:02 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > Peter: > > G'day! > > Thanks for the offer! Curt is going to send me a copy of an Edwards parts > list but we would like to get ahold of as much Edwards information as > possible. Frank and I are trying to build a file of data on Edwards, the > company and the engines. So far, the pickins' are sparse. > > Any adverts, manuals, articles, photos, etc. you can get to us will be > appreciated. Once we get enough information to justify it, I plan to post > all of it on my web page for all to have access to. Please let me know > what you can get and we'll get together off-list to work out remuneration. > > Take care - Elden > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of peter >> ogborne >> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 08:15 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Updated Edwards page >> >> >> Elden ..........some years ago I found one of >> these engines in outback >> Western Australia. It was given to a club I once >> belonged to and they >> started restoring it. I know that quite extensive >> work was done on it >> including re sleeving the bores. >> At the time Curt Andree sent me so much info on >> the engine , invaluable >> stuff. I am not sure how the project is going >> ...slowly I would guess. But >> if I can assist in any way let me know ,I am >> still in contact with the club >> and the members who were working on the Edwards. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Elden DuRand" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:48 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page >> >> >> > Group: >> > >> > I've just started in on the Edwards two banger >> project again and have >> > updated my page on it. >> > >> > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Ed > wards.html >> >> I still need any information/specs, etc. on these oddball engines. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at cybertron.com Tue Jan 9 06:31:03 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:31:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Updated Edwards page In-Reply-To: <000901c733b5$01257e40$560d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Peter: Thanks a bunch for any information you can forward. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 12:11 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > > > Elden.....I will attempt to get what info is > available. Unfortunately those > concerned are not users of the ''Net'' and > communication is slow . However I > have requested some pictures and an update on how > the restoration is going. > Whatever eventuates I will forward on to you. > I will also send some pictures that I have . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:02 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Updated Edwards page > > > > Peter: > > > > G'day! > > > > Thanks for the offer! Curt is going to send me > a copy of an Edwards parts > > list but we would like to get ahold of as much > Edwards information as > > possible. Frank and I are trying to build a > file of data on Edwards, the > > company and the engines. So far, the pickins' > are sparse. > > > > Any adverts, manuals, articles, photos, etc. > you can get to us will be > > appreciated. Once we get enough information to > justify it, I plan to post > > all of it on my web page for all to have access > to. Please let me know > > what you can get and we'll get together > off-list to work out remuneration. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jan 9 06:45:29 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:45:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions please Message-ID: Howdy all; What would be the proper clearance for 2" rod and main babbitt bearings? I would swag 1500 rpm max., splash lubed. How far could I bore out a 4.125" cylinder and still not need an oversized piston? Is knurling the skirt an option? That's enuf for now :-) TIA, RickinMt. From edurand at cybertron.com Tue Jan 9 08:57:36 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:57:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: For a low speed splash lubed engine, I'd set 2" main and rod journals at about 0.001" or so. If the crank is out of round a little, that should be the clearance at the tightest spot. As to the piston fit on the engine, it'd depend on how much noise from piston slap you can stand. Knurling the skirt is an option but doesn't work well on iron pistons. Don't expect the knurling to last long. I think it was mostly used during WWII and at used car lots to silence the noise of a loose engine. My ZC52 (3-3/4" bore) had about 60 mils of skirt clearance at the most worn part of the bore and the piston slap was easily heard. I'd guess at about 0.020" or so to be the max without the noise disturbing your nap. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 08:45 AM > To: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org; sel > Subject: [SEL] Couple questions please > > > > Howdy all; > > What would be the proper clearance for 2" rod > and main babbitt bearings? > I would swag 1500 rpm max., splash lubed. > > How far could I bore out a 4.125" cylinder > and still not need an > oversized piston? Is knurling the skirt an option? > > That's enuf for now :-) > > TIA, > RickinMt. From enginepaul at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 10:07:18 2007 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:07:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0701091007y543fff0bj5fe580fedbfcf5ae@mail.gmail.com> I have to disagree with the knurling part of the answer. I've knurled pistons in car and truck engines with great results. It is not 'as good as new' but it is pretty close in many cases and it does last quite a while. The last engine I did it to was a Ford 2.8 and drove it about 40,000 miles with no problem before getting rid of it. (It had too many dents from my fellow SanFran drivers; otherwise I'd still have it) I'd ask a machinist for recommendations as to whether it should be done in your particular situation. From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 9 11:01:00 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:01:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Couple questions please In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0701091007y543fff0bj5fe580fedbfcf5ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d3c36fb0701091007y543fff0bj5fe580fedbfcf5ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1068.165.206.180.140.1168369260.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> So would I. It was actually taught at a college machine shop not too many years ago - and in manuals it was touted as a valid way to increase piston life and restore clearances on engines slightly worn but not bad enough to rebuild. It was also shown that truck shops did this on new engines to prolong the life because of the increased amount of oil held against the cylinder wall in the knurling. According to an older book dating back to the 60's, they would disassemble new truck engines, knurl the pistons, cut the ring grooves wider, install hard spacers above the rings and reassemble. They had fewer issues with rings and pistons when doing so. We did a small amount of knurling ourselves with good results. You can actually run *tighter* than spec clearances with knurling. I will not state it would be good or would work on an iron piston, (or a non-aluminum piston), but an automotive piston from anything up through the 70's, I'd not be a bit afraid to do it. Bill > I have to disagree with the knurling part of the answer. I've knurled > pistons in car and truck engines with great results. It is not 'as good as > new' but it is pretty close in many cases and it does last quite a while. > The last engine I did it to was a Ford 2.8 and drove it about 40,000 miles > with no problem before getting rid of it. (It had too many dents from my > fellow SanFran drivers; otherwise I'd still have it) > I'd ask a machinist for recommendations as to whether it should be done in > your particular situation. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Jan 9 17:02:11 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:02:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? References: <45A14198.8030806@scrtc.com><002801c732b8$3db609e0$9444e5d8@HP28276676518> <45A19E8A.2090502@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <02b301c73453$3fd5bad0$bcb6f504@Ed> Tommy, As a back up, my brother lives in Sunrise Beach, about 45 miles away. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? > Thanks Gary! I'll get info to you about their exact location, contact, > etc. Pick out a good restaurant for you and the family and send me the > tab. I'll be donating some fuel money too! Thanks again. > > Tommy > > >> Tommy, >> >> Go ahead and get them. I live about 65 miles south of Springfield, Mo >> and will be up there the next week or so. Actually I look for excuses >> to go to Springfield, better resturants than here in Theodosia. I can >> hold them here for as long as necessary. I plan to be at Portland >> this year, all things considered. >> >> Gary >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:53 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? >> >> >>> Is there anyone out there that lives close to, or travels near >>> Halfway, MO? Its about 40 miles north of Springfield and about 25 >>> miles off of I-44. I can purchase 4 steel wheels there that I could >>> use but getting them could be a problem. >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: >>> 1/5/2007 11:11 AM >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From asouth42 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 10 09:27:20 2007 From: asouth42 at earthlink.net (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:27:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis Message-ID: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Hello folks, At the risk of being raked over the coals, I need the answer to a question that has been asked and answered a couple of time over the last year or two: When de-rusting a piece of iron by electrolysis, which piece is the Positive cable connected to? I know I saved the article several years ago when it was discussed on the list, but I just can't locate it. Your help will be much appreciated. Thanks, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at earthlink.net http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From edurand at cybertron.com Wed Jan 10 09:56:14 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:56:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: Art: The negative lead goes to the piece to be cleaned. The sacrificial anode (+ natch) is the, natch again positive lead. I ain't the big expert but here's my electrolysis page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff/Electrolysis.html Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of ArthurDeana > Southwell > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:27 AM > To: Old Engine.org; ATIS-SEL > Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with > electrolysis > > > Hello folks, > > At the risk of being raked over the coals, I need > the answer to a question > that has been asked and answered a couple of > > time over the last year or two: > > When de-rusting a piece of iron by electrolysis, > which piece is the Positive > cable connected to? > > I know I saved the article several years ago when > it was discussed on the > list, but I just can't locate it. Your help will > > be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > Arthur From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 10 09:54:45 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:54:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070110125403.02f59810@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Arthur, The positive goes to the waste electrode. Neg to the part being cleaned. TTYL, Mark At 12:27 PM 1/10/07, you wrote: >When de-rusting a piece of iron by electrolysis, which piece is the >Positive cable connected to? >I know I saved the article several years ago when it was discussed on the >list, but I just can't locate it. >Thanks, >Arthur >Arthur Southwell >Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 10 10:11:53 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:11:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp Quote: place NEGATIVE LEAD (this is critical!!) on the piece that is to be cleaned. Attach POSITIVE, or RED lead of charger, to electrode "grid" formed when you placed electrodes, or rods, into bucket and tied them all together. Bill Runnells, IA > Hello folks, > > At the risk of being raked over the coals, I need the answer to a question > that has been asked and answered a couple of > > time over the last year or two: > > When de-rusting a piece of iron by electrolysis, which piece is the > Positive > cable connected to? > > I know I saved the article several years ago when it was discussed on the > list, but I just can't locate it. Your help will > > be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > Arthur > > > > > Arthur Southwell > Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. > > asouth42 at earthlink.net > > http://oldengine.org/members/southwell > http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html > http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee > http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tsmith at hal-pc.org Wed Jan 10 10:21:06 2007 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:21:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> <3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Also important to remember the bucket or container must not be conductive. Best done in a plastic container. The placement of the electrodes should be near and around the piece to be cleaned but NOT touching. Tom On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:11:53 -0800 (PST) bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp > > Quote: place NEGATIVE LEAD (this is critical!!) on the piece that >is to > be cleaned. Attach POSITIVE, or RED lead of charger, to electrode >"grid" > formed when you placed electrodes, or rods, into bucket and tied >them all > together. > > Bill > Runnells, IA > > >> Hello folks, >> >> At the risk of being raked over the coals, I need the answer to a >>question >> that has been asked and answered a couple of >> >> time over the last year or two: >> >> When de-rusting a piece of iron by electrolysis, which piece is the >> Positive >> cable connected to? >> >> I know I saved the article several years ago when it was discussed >>on the >> list, but I just can't locate it. Your help will >> >> be much appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Arthur >> >> >> >> >> Arthur Southwell >> Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. >> >> asouth42 at earthlink.net >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell >> http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html >> http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee >> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jan 10 10:47:08 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:47:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR><3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: I remember it...on a battery charger, electricity goes from Neg. to Pos. We want the rust to go the same way. RickinMt. From asouth42 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 10 11:44:52 2007 From: asouth42 at earthlink.net (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:44:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR><3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <026701c734ef$cc6a11c0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Thanks to : Richard S., Tom S., armstrong, Carl C., Elden D., Bill @, Mark S., and anyone else who replied or replies after Richard's message. Now I'll start trying to save a carb off a Huber tractor. Y'all have a good day. C'ya, Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis >I remember it...on a battery charger, electricity goes from Neg. to Pos. >We want the rust to go the same way. > > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 10 13:23:27 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:23:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <026701c734ef$cc6a11c0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR><3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <026701c734ef$cc6a11c0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <4191.165.206.180.140.1168464207.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Unless you go by the older "current" or "hole" theories in which the holes or current flow from pos to neg................ Electrons flow neg to pos......... Yeah, love to complicate things......... Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis > > >>I remember it...on a battery charger, electricity goes from Neg. to Pos. >>We want the rust to go the same way. >> >> >> RickinMt. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 10 16:19:46 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:19:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine half-way across country........ In-Reply-To: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <003601c73516$56be4050$4200a8c0@sheeba> How hard would it be to find transport for a 6cyl Jeep engine (a 258) from Torrance, CA to Iowa? It's an engine Edelbrock used to test intake manifolds. Pretty much stock but has had a few "tweaks". Here's the info and if I can get it back to Iowa, I have "first dibs" Usually these aren't too heavy as far as auto engines - I once witnessed one fellolw lift one of these shortblocks into a bench himself. This, however, is complete minus the intake so would be too heavy to simply lift for one fellow. Two probably could. I'm wanting it for one of two possible future projects........if I can get it here. ----------------------------- 1979 or 1980, AMC 258 Six Cyl. , stock bore, stock compression. Engine was disassembled refined and reassembled for dyno testing when it was new. Crank has been shot peened and polished. Rods have been shot peened, sized, and new rod bolts installed. Rotating assembly has been balanced. It currently has a Motorcraft dist. Stock exhaust manifold. The engine was used for dyno testing an intake manifold back in 79-80. Ironicly the intake and carb are missing from the engine. It has been sitting assembled in the engine storage area at Edelbrock since 79-80, so it will need to be gone through before running. ----------------------------- If it can at least be gotten out of their storage, the rest of the trip here could take a YEAR or so for all I care........... Thanks. Bill Runnells, IA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jan 10 18:00:02 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:00:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis References: <001701c734dc$96fe82e0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR><3663.165.206.180.140.1168452713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><026701c734ef$cc6a11c0$6601a8c0@ARTHUR> <4191.165.206.180.140.1168464207.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: I'd a been disappointed if someone hadn't spoke up...vbg Rick > Unless you go by the older "current" or "hole" theories in which the holes > or current flow from pos to neg................ > > Electrons flow neg to pos......... > > Yeah, love to complicate things......... From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 10 19:47:49 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:47:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - tumbler plans In-Reply-To: <20061014190602.2043.qmail@web55913.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c73533$45fcd430$0100a8c0@l2800> Wanted to FINALLY thank Mick for the info on the tumbler. So simple once I saw it again. I've FINALLY gotten around to hacking one together - the motor needs to be rewired as the cord is old and stiff (like my knees) but it works. Need to fine-tune spacing for different size containers and try different mediums but seems like it will work for those small parts I don't otherwise want to mess with by hand. Thanks, Mick! Bill Runnells, IA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mick Demaria Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 2:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - tumbler plans Hi Bill, I found one quite similar at a swap meet. I think you can still see the price in the pics. http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/tumbler/index.html I think Dave used walnut shell and Brasso, I used fine sand and Brasso with pretty good results but you still have to use the buffer to get a mirror finish. Mick --- Bill Dickerson wrote: > > A while back a list member, perhaps Dave, showed a > great method to build a > simple cheap tumbler (for cleaning or polishing > small parts, etc.) > It used a washing machine motor (electric, not > Maytag gas) and a paint can > as I recall. > > I can't find that info. > I suspect it was posted on the web. > If someone has that info, or something like it, > could they please share it? > > Thanks > > > Bill > Runnells, IA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Jan 10 21:42:31 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:42:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Engine half-way across country........ In-Reply-To: <003601c73516$56be4050$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <200701110542.l0B5gdnv067407@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dickerson Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:20 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Engine half-way across country........ How hard would it be to find transport for a 6cyl Jeep engine (a 258) from Torrance, CA to Iowa? It's an engine Edelbrock used to test intake manifolds. Pretty much stock but has had a few "tweaks". Here's the info and if I can get it back to Iowa, I have "first dibs" Usually these aren't too heavy as far as auto engines - I once witnessed one fellolw lift one of these shortblocks into a bench himself. This, however, is complete minus the intake so would be too heavy to simply lift for one fellow. Two probably could. I'm wanting it for one of two possible future projects........if I can get it here. ----------------------------- 1979 or 1980, AMC 258 Six Cyl. , stock bore, stock compression. Engine was disassembled refined and reassembled for dyno testing when it was new. Crank has been shot peened and polished. Rods have been shot peened, sized, and new rod bolts installed. Rotating assembly has been balanced. It currently has a Motorcraft dist. Stock exhaust manifold. The engine was used for dyno testing an intake manifold back in 79-80. Ironicly the intake and carb are missing from the engine. It has been sitting assembled in the engine storage area at Edelbrock since 79-80, so it will need to be gone through before running. ----------------------------- If it can at least be gotten out of their storage, the rest of the trip here could take a YEAR or so for all I care........... Thanks. Bill Runnells, IA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill, have you visited Harry's Classified, lately? It has recently been overhauled: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/ Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you'll see there is now a "Hauling wanted" category. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Jan 11 03:19:05 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:19:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register Message-ID: <000b01c73572$51798210$45f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> I believe that Ian Mathews is the above ....does anyone know his email address? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jan 11 04:56:17 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 04:56:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] RE: Engine half-way across country........ In-Reply-To: <200701110542.l0B5gdnv067407@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200701110542.l0B5gdnv067407@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <2131.165.206.180.140.1168520177.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> No, I've not visited Harry's pages for a while (even though a couple years back he urged me to check it all out again). I'll have to take a look. Gee, maybe I can even help someone else one day so it might be a fun thing to keep an eye on anyway. Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Dickerson > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:20 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: [SEL] Engine half-way across country........ > > > How hard would it be to find transport for a 6cyl Jeep engine (a 258) from > Torrance, CA to Iowa? > It's an engine Edelbrock used to test intake manifolds. Pretty much stock > but has had a few "tweaks". > > Here's the info and if I can get it back to Iowa, I have "first dibs" > Usually these aren't too heavy as far as auto engines - I once witnessed > one > fellolw lift one of these shortblocks into a bench himself. This, however, > is complete minus the intake so would be too heavy to simply lift for one > fellow. Two probably could. > I'm wanting it for one of two possible future projects........if I can get > it here. > ................................... > > If it can at least be gotten out of their storage, the rest of the trip > here > could take a YEAR or so for all I care........... > > Thanks. > > Bill > Runnells, IA > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Bill, have you visited Harry's Classified, lately? It has recently been > overhauled: > > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/ > > Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you'll see there is now a > "Hauling > wanted" category. > > Regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdragoset at galvotec.com Thu Jan 11 06:55:09 2007 From: jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:55:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Those electron/hole current flow theories only apply to the metallic portion of the circuit. In the electrolyte, current flow is ionic, with positive (hydrogen& metal) ions moving from the positive to negative electrode and negative (chlorine, oxygen, etc.) ions moving from the negative to positive electrode. Jim Dragoset NOLA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis I'd a been disappointed if someone hadn't spoke up...vbg Rick > Unless you go by the older "current" or "hole" theories in which the holes > or current flow from pos to neg................ > > Electrons flow neg to pos......... > > Yeah, love to complicate things......... _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jan 11 06:25:19 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:25:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions please References: <8d3c36fb0701091007y543fff0bj5fe580fedbfcf5ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys for the suggestions. Believe I've found a "good ole boy" machinist. Will take the block in ASAP or rather when it warms up. -1 here now and still dropping. Regards, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Johns" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Couple questions please > I have to disagree with the knurling part of the answer. I've knurled > pistons in car and truck engines with great results. It is not 'as good as > new' but it is pretty close in many cases and it does last quite a while. > The last engine I did it to was a Ford 2.8 and drove it about 40,000 miles > with no problem before getting rid of it. (It had too many dents from my > fellow SanFran drivers; otherwise I'd still have it) > I'd ask a machinist for recommendations as to whether it should be done in > your particular situation. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 11 11:07:26 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:07:26 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <200701111700.l0BH04wK031622@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070111210437.00abb740@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 11/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 13 >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:19:05 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register > >I believe that Ian Mathews is the above ....does anyone know his email >address? >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au Hi Peter, Ken Christison's resources page lists this address: Kens page is: Hope this helps Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 11 11:10:57 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:10:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070111210949.00b14db0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Sorry for the duplicate Guys - I forgot to change the "Subject" line At 07:00 PM 11/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 13 >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:19:05 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register > >I believe that Ian Mathews is the above ....does anyone know his email >address? >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au Hi Peter, Ken Christison's resources page lists this address: Kens page is: Hope this helps Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 11 13:42:32 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:42:32 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register In-Reply-To: <000b01c73572$51798210$45f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <5jjn06$iu3ut@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony15.iinet.net.au> While on the subject of Southern Cross I picked up an AKB yesterday and its missing the cylinder head. Anyone got one laying around? Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Thursday, 11 January 2007 8:19 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register I believe that Ian Mathews is the above ....does anyone know his email address? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Jan 11 15:22:31 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:22:31 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ian Mathews ...Southern Cross Message-ID: <003001c735d7$6161f940$ef402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks to those members re the Southern Cross Registrar Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Jan 11 15:27:31 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:27:31 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross AKB Message-ID: <003101c735d8$13d7b420$ef402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Ray ,my old Southern Cross catalogue tell me that the Southern Cross Model AKB ,700 Watt lighting plant with the mark AKB Petrol engine would have cost you 63 Pounds in 1939. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Jan 11 17:47:42 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:47:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis References: Message-ID: <00ca01c735ee$9c68f040$91b3f504@Ed> I thought Rick had a great simple way for me to remember which lead goes where now I am all messed up. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dragoset" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis > Those electron/hole current flow theories only apply to the metallic > portion > of the circuit. > In the electrolyte, current flow is ionic, with positive (hydrogen& metal) > ions moving from > the positive to negative electrode and negative (chlorine, oxygen, etc.) > ions moving from > the negative to positive electrode. > Jim Dragoset > NOLA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis > > > I'd a been disappointed if someone hadn't spoke up...vbg > > Rick > > > > >> Unless you go by the older "current" or "hole" theories in which the >> holes >> or current flow from pos to neg................ >> >> Electrons flow neg to pos......... >> >> Yeah, love to complicate things......... > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 11 22:59:25 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:59:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross register In-Reply-To: <000b01c73572$51798210$45f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000b01c73572$51798210$45f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <45A731CD.5070909@steamengine.com.au> Phone *07 47731563 Email * *ianm01 at hotkey.net.au* Regards Paul peter ogborne wrote: > I believe that Ian Mathews is the above ....does anyone know his email > address? > Peter Ogborne From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 11 23:03:33 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:03:33 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross AKB In-Reply-To: <003101c735d8$13d7b420$ef402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <5jlpn2$2muepc@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> Peter mine was built in late 39 and according to the Southern Cross book was 39 pounds for the bare motor. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Friday, 12 January 2007 8:28 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross AKB Ray ,my old Southern Cross catalogue tell me that the Southern Cross Model AKB ,700 Watt lighting plant with the mark AKB Petrol engine would have cost you 63 Pounds in 1939. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 12 07:22:05 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:22:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. Message-ID: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> Fellow machinists, a lathe tooling question for you..... When using carbide insert tool holders, how does one determine when to use negative rake vs. positive rake tool holders? Are triangled inserts the best for facing? Or would round be better? Or some other shape? MSC doesn't have a lot of small clamp style indexable tools. The shank will need to be 7/16 square with an overall length of 3". Will be facing copper samples in our lab here at work. Want the smoothest, brightest surface possible to lessen hand polishing after turning..... Curt Holland From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Jan 12 09:20:15 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:20:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? References: <45A14198.8030806@scrtc.com><002801c732b8$3db609e0$9444e5d8@HP28276676518> <45A19E8A.2090502@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <004701c7366d$edc47980$8a44e5d8@HP28276676518> Hi Tommy, Any further word on your wheels yet? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? > Thanks Gary! I'll get info to you about their exact location, contact, > etc. Pick out a good restaurant for you and the family and send me the > tab. I'll be donating some fuel money too! Thanks again. > > Tommy > > >> Tommy, >> >> Go ahead and get them. I live about 65 miles south of Springfield, Mo >> and will be up there the next week or so. Actually I look for excuses to >> go to Springfield, better resturants than here in Theodosia. I can hold >> them here for as long as necessary. I plan to be at Portland this year, >> all things considered. >> >> Gary >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:53 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Anybody live near Halfway, MO? >> >> >>> Is there anyone out there that lives close to, or travels near Halfway, >>> MO? Its about 40 miles north of Springfield and about 25 miles off of >>> I-44. I can purchase 4 steel wheels there that I could use but getting >>> them could be a problem. >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007 >>> 11:11 AM >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/619 - Release Date: 1/7/2007 > 6:29 PM > > From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Fri Jan 12 09:22:04 2007 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:22:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <174748.96125.qm@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> Lots of time if you call the insert manufacturer and tell them what you are doing they will reccomend the proper insert plus speed/feed. You might want to pick a couple companies and see what they have to say. Curt wrote: Fellow machinists, a lathe tooling question for you..... When using carbide insert tool holders, how does one determine when to use negative rake vs. positive rake tool holders? Are triangled inserts the best for facing? Or would round be better? Or some other shape? MSC doesn't have a lot of small clamp style indexable tools. The shank will need to be 7/16 square with an overall length of 3". Will be facing copper samples in our lab here at work. Want the smoothest, brightest surface possible to lessen hand polishing after turning..... Curt Holland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 12 09:55:41 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:55:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <00ca01c735ee$9c68f040$91b3f504@Ed> References: <00ca01c735ee$9c68f040$91b3f504@Ed> Message-ID: <07FB504F-98C9-43AB-8A16-C37E405B8039@rustyiron.com> On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > I thought Rick had a great simple way for me to remember which lead > goes where now I am all messed up. Hi Ed, Don't feel bad. I have to stop and think about it every time I play with elecrolysis -- whether for removing rust or making rust. If you can remember back to chemistry class, the iron oxide molecule is locked together because the iron ion has a positive charge and the oxide ion has a negative charge. Opposites attract, and it's really hard to separate the two. When doing electrolysis, remember that opposites attract, and like charges repel. If you connect your part to the negative side of your power supply, and your anode to the positive, the oxide ions are going to be blown off your part and sucked over toward the anode. The iron ions are not going to want to go anywhere, because they're positive and they're connected to the negative side of your circuit. But if you want to CREATE rust on your part, hook your part to the positive side of your power supply and your cathode to the negative. Your part will now attract all the stray oxygen ions over to it, creating a coating of rust. I'm sure this is overly simplistic and technically flawed, but it's a good way to look at it so you don't hook up your circuit backwards. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 12 10:04:12 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:04:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> On Jan 12, 2007, at 7:22 AM, Curt wrote: > Fellow machinists, a lathe tooling question for you..... > > When using carbide insert tool holders, how does one determine when > to use negative rake vs. positive rake tool holders? > Are triangled inserts the best for facing? Or would round be > better? Or some other shape? > > MSC doesn't have a lot of small clamp style indexable tools. The > shank will need to be 7/16 square with an overall length of 3". > > Will be facing copper samples in our lab here at work. Want the > smoothest, brightest surface possible to lessen hand polishing > after turning..... > Curt Holland Hi Curt, Are you dead set on carbide? I'd use a high speed tool, give just a little less rake than negative, generously round the point, hand hone the tool so it's razor sharp, and use a lot of cutting oil. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 12 10:38:05 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:38:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <45A7D58D.2070309@imc-group.com> Yeah Rob, in a production environment where you are preparing 100's of samples for analytical testing, carbide is the most economical solution. Besides the fellow running the lathe is a metallurgical test machine operator not a machinist. He really has no interest in such details and he simply doesn't have the time. The old broken holder he gave me was surprising when I looked at it, as the triangular insert is actually held at a slight angle downhill. The p/n on the tool also indicates a negative rake. Truthfully I alway thought the tools were made straight and you made the rake positive or negative by either coming in above or below centerline. But maybe this is all part of indexable tooling, so that you never have to adjust the tool holder up or down. Just drop it in and go. Agree with the oil comment. In fact we've found kerosene work well. Curt Rob Skinner wrote: > > Hi Curt, > Are you dead set on carbide? I'd use a high speed tool, give just a > little less rake than negative, generously round the point, hand hone > the tool so it's razor sharp, and use a lot of cutting oil. > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 12 10:39:59 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:39:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <45A7D5FF.5010701@imc-group.com> Rob Skinner wrote: > > give just a little less rake than negative, BTW Rob, what is a little less than negative? Would that be slightly positive? :-) Curt From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 12 10:42:36 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:42:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> <1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: > a little less rake than negative, That was supposed to read, "a little less rake than neutral." Just a bit negative. Rob From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Jan 12 13:32:01 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:32:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis References: <00ca01c735ee$9c68f040$91b3f504@Ed> <07FB504F-98C9-43AB-8A16-C37E405B8039@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <003d01c73691$19e73890$8e0d693a@fred> I have found the simplest way to remember which way the the electrodes go is to write it on the shed wall. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis > > On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > >> I thought Rick had a great simple way for me to remember which lead goes >> where now I am all messed up. > > > Hi Ed, > Don't feel bad. I have to stop and think about it every time I play with > elecrolysis -- whether for removing rust or making rust. > > If you can remember back to chemistry class, the iron oxide molecule is > locked together because the iron ion has a positive charge and the oxide > ion has a negative charge. Opposites attract, and it's really hard to > separate the two. > > When doing electrolysis, remember that opposites attract, and like > charges repel. If you connect your part to the negative side of your > power supply, and your anode to the positive, the oxide ions are going to > be blown off your part and sucked over toward the anode. The iron ions > are not going to want to go anywhere, because they're positive and > they're connected to the negative side of your circuit. > > But if you want to CREATE rust on your part, hook your part to the > positive side of your power supply and your cathode to the negative. > Your part will now attract all the stray oxygen ions over to it, creating > a coating of rust. > > I'm sure this is overly simplistic and technically flawed, but it's a > good way to look at it so you don't hook up your circuit backwards. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: > 12/01/2007 2:04 PM > > From dotto at velocitus.net Fri Jan 12 16:18:39 2007 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:18:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00d601c736a8$60d97c60$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Curt I use Sandvik TCGX series inserts for nonferrous turning. They are a triangle insert with a center hole. They have a real aggressive top rake and are honed to a very sharp edge. They leave a wonderful finish on parts. I use them on all nonferrous metals including brass and bronze. I even use them on leaded steel and free machining 303 SS. One other option may be a PCD Poly-Crystalline Diamond insert. We used to use these to machine die cast aluminum hubs for disk drive motors. The finish was pretty close to a mirror. The diamonds don't take abuse well, but if taken care of will last a long time. We would send our dull inserts out for regrinding. These inserts were TPG with a top clamp type holder. Dave No, the piston isn't finished yet. It is roughed out and waiting for the finial bore size then I can finish the OD. cut the ring groove and put the pin hole in. The rocker arms are finished and came out great. I need to do an up date to my Webshots page. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:22 AM > To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org) > Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. > > Fellow machinists, a lathe tooling question for you..... > > When using carbide insert tool holders, how does one determine when to > use negative rake vs. positive rake tool holders? > Are triangled inserts the best for facing? Or would round be better? Or > some other shape? > > MSC doesn't have a lot of small clamp style indexable tools. The shank > will need to be 7/16 square with an overall length of 3". > > Will be facing copper samples in our lab here at work. Want the > smoothest, brightest surface possible to lessen hand polishing after > turning..... > Curt Holland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Fri Jan 12 16:29:37 2007 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:29:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. In-Reply-To: <45A7D58D.2070309@imc-group.com> References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com><1B46B336-A5F0-45AE-9A4D-B5C5658F0ACD@rustyiron.com> <45A7D58D.2070309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00e401c736a9$e95170b0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Curt I have never had much luck with negative rake lathe tools; They may be fine in a CNC with a lot of power and coolant. To me happy they need to be taking very heavy cuts and if you try to sneak up and take a light cut they will want to skid along the surface. For a light duty machine; I would stay with positive rake tooling for which ever insert type you chose. On a negative rake insert the rake is built into the tool holder. That way you get six cutting edges as opposed to 3 on a triangle positive insert. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. > > Yeah Rob, in a production environment where you are preparing 100's of > samples for analytical testing, carbide is the most economical solution. > Besides the fellow running the lathe is a metallurgical test machine > operator not a machinist. He really has no interest in such details and > he simply doesn't have the time. > The old broken holder he gave me was surprising when I looked at it, as > the triangular insert is actually held at a slight angle downhill. The > p/n on the tool also indicates a negative rake. Truthfully I alway > thought the tools were made straight and you made the rake positive or > negative by either coming in above or below centerline. But maybe this > is all part of indexable tooling, so that you never have to adjust the > tool holder up or down. Just drop it in and go. > Agree with the oil comment. In fact we've found kerosene work well. > Curt > > Rob Skinner wrote: > > > > > Hi Curt, > > Are you dead set on carbide? I'd use a high speed tool, give just a > > little less rake than negative, generously round the point, hand hone > > the tool so it's razor sharp, and use a lot of cutting oil. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Jan 12 18:08:56 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:08:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis References: <00ca01c735ee$9c68f040$91b3f504@Ed> <07FB504F-98C9-43AB-8A16-C37E405B8039@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <00b401c736b7$c8eabad0$f7b6f504@Ed> My old brain still like the simplicity of Rick's formula. Speaking of ions, when I use electrolysis, my part turns black like is goes from a red rust to a black rust. Are there two types of rust: FeO and FeO2? Or is it just that the iron molecules when stripped of the Oxygen just look black. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis > > On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > >> I thought Rick had a great simple way for me to remember which lead goes >> where now I am all messed up. > > > Hi Ed, > Don't feel bad. I have to stop and think about it every time I play with > elecrolysis -- whether for removing rust or making rust. > > If you can remember back to chemistry class, the iron oxide molecule is > locked together because the iron ion has a positive charge and the oxide > ion has a negative charge. Opposites attract, and it's really hard to > separate the two. > > When doing electrolysis, remember that opposites attract, and like > charges repel. If you connect your part to the negative side of your > power supply, and your anode to the positive, the oxide ions are going to > be blown off your part and sucked over toward the anode. The iron ions > are not going to want to go anywhere, because they're positive and > they're connected to the negative side of your circuit. > > But if you want to CREATE rust on your part, hook your part to the > positive side of your power supply and your cathode to the negative. > Your part will now attract all the stray oxygen ions over to it, creating > a coating of rust. > > I'm sure this is overly simplistic and technically flawed, but it's a > good way to look at it so you don't hook up your circuit backwards. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Jan 12 18:26:53 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:26:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis In-Reply-To: <00b401c736b7$c8eabad0$f7b6f504@Ed> Message-ID: <000001c736ba$4d42f840$4200a8c0@sheeba> http://antique-engines.com/electrol-details.asp During electrolysis the rust turns from orange to black. In most cases, the rust next to the iron is reduced to iron metal. This reduced iron will form a somewhat porous layer of new iron on the metal object being cleaned. After electrolysis the iron object will rust very quickly unless it is protected because this porous layer of new iron has a high surface area. The rest of the rust may reduce to a variety of compounds depending on the compounds in the original rust and the details of the electrolysis. Typically the black stuff that can be rubbed off after electrolysis is a mixture of iron metal and magnetite, Fe3O4 , an oxide of iron. Magnetite is an intermediate product in the reduction of rust to iron metal. It is the black stuff in magnetic recording tapes. So once your parts are cleaned or removed from the solution, you'll want to rinse and brush them off to remove the loose iron, dry them quickly and completely, and protect them with primer or other rust preventative. Bill Runnells -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed stoller Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis My old brain still like the simplicity of Rick's formula. Speaking of ions, when I use electrolysis, my part turns black like is goes from a red rust to a black rust. Are there two types of rust: FeO and FeO2? Or is it just that the iron molecules when stripped of the Oxygen just look black. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cleaning rusty engine parts with electrolysis > > On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > >> I thought Rick had a great simple way for me to remember which lead goes >> where now I am all messed up. > > > Hi Ed, > Don't feel bad. I have to stop and think about it every time I play with > elecrolysis -- whether for removing rust or making rust. > > If you can remember back to chemistry class, the iron oxide molecule is > locked together because the iron ion has a positive charge and the oxide > ion has a negative charge. Opposites attract, and it's really hard to > separate the two. > > When doing electrolysis, remember that opposites attract, and like > charges repel. If you connect your part to the negative side of your > power supply, and your anode to the positive, the oxide ions are going to > be blown off your part and sucked over toward the anode. The iron ions > are not going to want to go anywhere, because they're positive and > they're connected to the negative side of your circuit. > > But if you want to CREATE rust on your part, hook your part to the > positive side of your power supply and your cathode to the negative. > Your part will now attract all the stray oxygen ions over to it, creating > a coating of rust. > > I'm sure this is overly simplistic and technically flawed, but it's a > good way to look at it so you don't hook up your circuit backwards. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Fri Jan 12 19:22:24 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:22:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005f01c736c2$0c09c270$68d04c0c@D48VHZ61> We don't cut a lot of copper but when I do, I use a positive rake insert with a ground cutting edge. These inserts work great on plastic and aluminum. The brand I use is Vardex (VNE corp). I believe the prefix is CCGT. We have 2 styles--with and without chipbreaker--just depending on what you are doing. These are pretty much an 80 deg insert but there is only 2 cutting edges---they will not fit in holders for CNMG inserts. Sometimes the manual machinists even use these on steel when the matl. is soft, gummy, or they just can't get enough SFM for regular inserts. I know these inserts are available as a 3/8IC so you should be able to get a holder for your lathe. I just ordered one for our little lathe acouple weeks ago--I think it was a 1/2" shank---but thats what milling machines are for. In the CNC lathes we run a semi-synthetic coolant. On the manuals we would use oil,or kerosene. I would think diesel or WD-40 may also work. Many years ago we had an old timer that used bacon grese for threading copper. He kept it in a coffee cup so he could easily heat it up for applying. You probably want to stay away from "yellow" inserts--thae material will probably just build up on them rapidly. There are all sorts of coatings available---some of them may help. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: [SEL] OT lathe tooling for copper facing. > Fellow machinists, a lathe tooling question for you..... > > When using carbide insert tool holders, how does one determine when to use > negative rake vs. positive rake tool holders? > Are triangled inserts the best for facing? Or would round be better? Or > some other shape? > > MSC doesn't have a lot of small clamp style indexable tools. The shank > will need to be 7/16 square with an overall length of 3". > > Will be facing copper samples in our lab here at work. Want the smoothest, > brightest surface possible to lessen hand polishing after turning..... > Curt Holland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 12 19:58:31 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:58:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Fankhauser Pics Message-ID: <1168660711.45a858e717b11@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, I have a request from a fellow club member. He wants to put together a photo collage of pics of John with his model engines. Sadly, I lost nearly all of the pics I had of John when I had a hard drive crash. So I told him I would ask y'all. If you knew John and have pics of him (especially with his model engines), would you email 'em to me off-list? He'd really appreciate it, and I wouldn't mind having a copy myself. Thanks. See ya, Arnie PS - John died in early 2003, so the 2002 engine show would be the latest one that would have pics of John. From dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Fri Jan 12 20:04:13 2007 From: dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:04:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Contact info for Alec Stevens? References: <45A7A79D.50807@imc-group.com> <00d601c736a8$60d97c60$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <004301c736c7$e4031eb0$6400a8c0@Family> Dear SEL members, Would one of you folks happen to have any contact information for Alec Stevens in Maine? I have since lost his email address and I would like to get back in contact with him. Thanks. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov From avanti_64 at juno.com Sat Jan 13 05:40:44 2007 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:40:44 GMT Subject: [SEL] Contact info for Alec Stevens? Message-ID: <20070113.054127.29529.1914162@webmail25.lax.untd.com> Tommy, this is Alec's email address... Joe Kelley 1lunger at maine.rr.com ________________________________________________________________________ FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd?c=uol5752 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 13 06:50:46 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:50:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr HU machining Message-ID: G'day gang; Well I'm glad to see my friend Willy has grabbed the ball and ran with this Rollr!! Here's a picture of it after block was shaved, cylinders were trued using Sunnen hone and valve seat inserts installed (seats haven't been ground down at angle yet.) Needless to say I was impressed with the machinist(s) at Carquest. Block had to be sent some 300 miles away to another Carquest for the seats at no extra charge. I'm glad to see this kind of service!! They did not shave too much..just enough to true the sealing surfaces on block and Head/hopper. You can make this picture bigger by clicking on the + sign below the picture. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2846441900039077051BSTlJG I'll be talking to them on some of my machining needs for sure. Little chilly here at 6 below...'bout right for this time of year. Regards, RickinMt. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 13 07:05:34 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:05:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Petter Junior Stationary Engine 5hp Nice Price on eBay Message-ID: <1168700734.45a8f53ecb35d@webmail.city-net.com> Buy It Now Price: GBP 320.00(Approximately?US $622.05) Find out more - View this Item http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320070829735 See ya, Arnie From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 13 07:28:09 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:28:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr HU machining References: Message-ID: Forgot to add...the machinist said in his opinion that the quality of metal used in this block was way better than a 350 Chev. Believe I saw somewhere that Novo used a lot of nickel. It is a very nice looking machined surface to these untrained eyes. Now I just gotta find that damn tag for him...aarrghh Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 7:50 AM Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr HU machining > > G'day gang; > Well I'm glad to see my friend Willy has grabbed the ball and ran with > this Rollr!! Here's a picture of it after block was shaved, cylinders > were trued using Sunnen hone and valve seat inserts installed (seats > haven't been ground down at angle yet.) Needless to say I was impressed > with the machinist(s) at Carquest. Block had to be sent some 300 miles > away to another Carquest for the seats at no extra charge. I'm glad to > see this kind of service!! > They did not shave too much..just enough to true the sealing surfaces on > block and Head/hopper. > > You can make this picture bigger by clicking on the + sign below the > picture. > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2846441900039077051BSTlJG > > I'll be talking to them on some of my machining needs for sure. > > Little chilly here at 6 below...'bout right for this time of year. > > Regards, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Jan 13 07:59:40 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:59:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Contact info for Alec Stevens? Message-ID: <20070113.105952.972.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tommy, THis is what I have Stevens Alec J. 80 Leighton Rd. Suite C Falmouth, Maine 04105 USA (207)797-5169 1lunger at maine.rr.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jan 13 08:31:24 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:31:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there is a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a few times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do not want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 years old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get regular "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it just to use for a short time. Any answers will be appreciated. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 13 08:45:39 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:45:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo Rollr HU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1168706739.45a90cb3e4f45@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Rick, If you need to replace a missing engine tag, Jerry Evans does fantastic work. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm All Jerry needs is a pic to work from and I can take a good pic of my Rollr tag if needed. See ya, Arnie Quoting Richard Strobel : > Now I just gotta find that damn tag for him...aarrghh From edurand at cybertron.com Sat Jan 13 09:49:02 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:49:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: You -may- be able to get the battery to take a decent charge by equalizing the cells. Do this by hitting it really hard with a quick charger. You'll need to put about 15 Volts on it until all the cells start gassing (bubbles coming from the plates). After all the cells start gassing, go back to a constant current charge (like from an el-cheapo "trickle" charger) at 10 Amps or so for about ten hours. See if that helps. If the capacity has risen but is not to par yet, you could try doing it again. Be careful of the gas that is liberated by this kind of charging. You could have an uplifting experience! Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:31 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > > Hi All, > I know this is off topic but my > experience has shown that there is > a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone > has a fix for me. > > Is there a way to do something to a car > battery that is poked. I > have a friend who imports batteries and have > ordered a new one from him but > his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need > to use this vehicle a few > times in that time. (I have other vehicles with > good batteries but do not > want to have to hassle with swopping batteries > all the time). > > It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the > sealed "Low Maintenance kind > - it's got filler caps to top up the water with > and only just over 2 years > old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the > battery does not get regular > "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. > > It struck me that there may be a way of > temporarily reviving it > just to use for a short time. > > Any answers will be appreciated. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oiseming at moscow.com Sat Jan 13 10:16:39 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:16:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <200701131816.l0DIGjEN077119@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:31 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? Hi All, I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there is a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a few times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do not want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 years old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get regular "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it just to use for a short time. Any answers will be appreciated. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We have a battery maintainer (float charger) that has a pulse charging feature. The manufacturer claims it rejuvenates sulfated batteries. I have no idea if it works or if it is a snake-oil gimmick. You might want to do some Googling and search for pulse-charging information. Orrin From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 13 10:30:22 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:30:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo Rollr HU References: <1168706739.45a90cb3e4f45@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Thanks Arn..I've got Jerry in mind. As you probably know, the model/serial number (HU 10675) is nicely stamped on the block. Wonder if you or someone could date this engine for my friend (he doesn't type.) He's also ordered a decal from Starbolt and is very happy, but I think he prolly got the wrong one. On the finer note, I am slowly getting this cyberbox room cleaned up. "Back to lookin'" Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo Rollr HU > Hey Rick, > > If you need to replace a missing engine tag, Jerry Evans does fantastic > work. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > All Jerry needs is a pic to work from and I can take a good pic of my > Rollr tag > if needed. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Richard Strobel : > > > Now I just gotta find that damn tag for him...aarrghh > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jan 13 10:35:16 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:35:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <200701131700.l0DH05eQ009039@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113203408.00ab8bf8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 13/01/2007, you wrote: >Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo Rollr HU >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <1168706739.45a90cb3e4f45 at webmail.city-net.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Hey Rick, >If you need to replace a missing engine tag, Jerry Evans does fantastic work. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > >All Jerry needs is a pic to work from and I can take a good pic of my >Rollr tag >if needed. >See ya, Arnie Thanks for the Punt Arnie. Free advertising always gracefully accepted :-) Jerry Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From BillMil357 at aol.com Sat Jan 13 11:38:08 2007 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:38:08 EST Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? Message-ID: Hi Elden, Did you get my message I sent you about three days ago about a battery charger, I am sorry I think I called you Edward instead of Eldon, but if you can tell me something on the battery charger I will sure appreciate it. Thanks a million, Bill Miller. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 13 12:54:56 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:54:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo Rollr HU In-Reply-To: References: <1168706739.45a90cb3e4f45@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1168721696.45a94720aba80@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rick, I think Coolspring got the Novo factory records from Wendol. However, I don't think that they come forward to the Rollr engines. It couldn't hurt to call and ask. FWIW, my Novo Rollr Bulletin #146 that includes detailed info on the HU model is dated March 1931. See ya, Arnie Quoting Richard Strobel : > Thanks Arn..I've got Jerry in mind. As you probably know, the model/serial > number (HU 10675) is nicely stamped on the block. Wonder if you or someone > could date this engine for my friend (he doesn't type.) He's also ordered a > decal from Starbolt and is very happy, but I think he prolly got the wrong > one. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Jan 13 16:48:41 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:48:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20070113214850.DD65E228463@md5.pennswoods.net> Jerry try a aspirin in each cell before the quick charge it has worked for me R Fink At 06:31 PM 1/13/2007 +0200, you wrote: >Hi All, > I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that > there is a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. > > Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is > poked. I have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new > one from him but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to > use this vehicle a few times in that time. (I have other vehicles > with good batteries but do not want to have to hassle with swopping > batteries all the time). > > It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low > Maintenance kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with > and only just over 2 years old but I very seldom use this vehicle > so the battery does not get regular "excercise" and now does not > hold a charge for very long. > > It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily > reviving it just to use for a short time. > > Any answers will be appreciated. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Tel. (016) 365-5787 >Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >Cell: 083 293 7191 >Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >www.oldengine.org/members/evans > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Jan 13 14:50:09 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:50:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20070113214850.DD65E228463@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <004e01c73765$303fca60$ab44e5d8@HP28276676518> Jerry, If that doesn't work take two asprin and call Dr. John tomorrow morning. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > Jerry try a aspirin in each cell before the quick charge it has worked for > me > R Fink > > > > At 06:31 PM 1/13/2007 +0200, you wrote: >>Hi All, >> I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there >> is a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. >> >> Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I >> have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him >> but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a >> few times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do >> not want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). >> >> It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance >> kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 >> years old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get >> regular "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. >> >> It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it >> just to use for a short time. >> >> Any answers will be appreciated. >> >>Keep the revs up (or down) >>Jerry Evans >>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >>Tel. (016) 365-5787 >>Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >>Cell: 083 293 7191 >>Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >>www.oldengine.org/members/evans >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 > 2:04 PM > > From edurand at cybertron.com Sat Jan 13 15:01:22 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:01:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill: No, I didn't get a message from you. Please re-send the message. You might want to send it to my regular email address below. I'll be glad to help if I can. Oh, yes - don't worry about the name. As long as the check clears, I'm good with it. :-) Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > BillMil357 at aol.com > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 01:38 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > > Hi Elden, > > Did you get my message I sent you about three > days ago about a battery > charger, I am sorry I think I called you Edward > instead of Eldon, but if you can > tell me something on the battery charger I will > sure appreciate it. > > Thanks a million, > > Bill Miller. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Sat Jan 13 20:39:36 2007 From: dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:39:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Contact info for Alec Stevens? References: <20070113.054127.29529.1914162@webmail25.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <001601c73795$ffa078b0$6400a8c0@Family> Joe, Thank you for that information. Take care. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Contact info for Alec Stevens? > Tommy, this is Alec's email address... Joe Kelley > > > > 1lunger at maine.rr.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com > Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! > http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd?c=uol5752 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paul at semidiesel.com Sat Jan 13 13:04:41 2007 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:04:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Sweatshirt In-Reply-To: <200701022249320125.29B5D583@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200612131031450328.0CECDD56@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612152000010578.1941FFF5@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612182126460359.0E38EAC4@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612212141530234.0A65A7AA@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612222221460921.0FB0ACBC@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612231010200359.123960DA@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612250843070062.1C3664DC@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612272256190078.0AD5877F@heavyiron.atis.net> <200701022249320125.29B5D583@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <45A94969.4050200@semidiesel.com> Hi Spencer, Need a size for your shirt. Do you want the museum logo or would you like the ATIS one instead. Need a postal address as well. Cheers Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 12/20/2006 15:54 From panda28 at optusnet.com.au Sun Jan 14 02:14:03 2007 From: panda28 at optusnet.com.au (panda28) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:14:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? References: <200701131816.l0DIGjEN077119@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <005c01c737c4$b917a240$5c101dd3@panda28> Try A teaspoon full of Epsom Salt in each cell ,worked for me for a few days. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:16 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:31 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > Hi All, > I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there is > a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. > > Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I > have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him but > his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a few > times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do not > want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). > > It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance kind > - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 years > old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get regular > "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. > > It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it > just to use for a short time. > > Any answers will be appreciated. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > We have a battery maintainer (float charger) that has a pulse charging > feature. The manufacturer claims it rejuvenates sulfated batteries. I have > no idea if it works or if it is a snake-oil gimmick. > > You might want to do some Googling and search for pulse-charging > information. > > Orrin > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 13/01/07 5:40 PM > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 14 04:42:27 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:42:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo Rollr HU References: <1168706739.45a90cb3e4f45@webmail.city-net.com> <1168721696.45a94720aba80@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Thanks Arn..I had a wild-assed BF that maybe Timpken would be a clue, but they go back to 1898. http://www.timken.com/aboutus/history/ We do have the history on this engine. Ran in an out-building at Eddy's Bakery, here in Helena, Mt. driving a lineshaft for mixers, etc., so that' pretty cool. Eddy's is an icon in Montana. We know a lady who worked there and she remembers engines running in the shed. Well still no tag, but I finally found the floor in the computer room :-) Later, Rick > Hi Rick, > > I think Coolspring got the Novo factory records from Wendol. > However, I don't think that they come forward to the Rollr engines. > It couldn't hurt to call and ask. > > FWIW, my Novo Rollr Bulletin #146 that includes detailed info on the HU > model is > dated March 1931. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Richard Strobel : > > > Thanks Arn..I've got Jerry in mind. As you probably know, the > > model/serial > > number (HU 10675) is nicely stamped on the block. Wonder if you or > > someone > > could date this engine for my friend (he doesn't type.) He's also > > ordered a > > decal from Starbolt and is very happy, but I think he prolly got the > > wrong > > one. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From svsuzanne at earthlink.net Sun Jan 14 10:19:23 2007 From: svsuzanne at earthlink.net (DAN RICHARDSON) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:19:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? Message-ID: <380-220071014181923212@earthlink.net> When I was a kid we would take the battery, pour off the electrolite, rinse it out really well, and refill it with new electrolite. Usually got a few more months use out of it. Be carefull with the acid. > [Original Message] > From: Orrin Iseminger > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 1/13/2007 1:47:50 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:31 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > Hi All, > I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there is > a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. > > Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I > have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him but > his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a few > times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do not > want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). > > It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance kind > - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 years > old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get regular > "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. > > It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it > just to use for a short time. > > Any answers will be appreciated. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > We have a battery maintainer (float charger) that has a pulse charging > feature. The manufacturer claims it rejuvenates sulfated batteries. I have > no idea if it works or if it is a snake-oil gimmick. > > You might want to do some Googling and search for pulse-charging > information. > > Orrin > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 2:04 PM From driggars at wildblue.net Sun Jan 14 11:21:13 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:21:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <380-220071014181923212@earthlink.net> References: <380-220071014181923212@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45AA82A9.1000904@wildblue.net> You can take the old acid in a plastic bucket, let it evaporate down to a solid,, then if you wish, this is good for a fertilizer or the very small amount of solid can be disposed at the city landfill in he right department Clint DAN RICHARDSON wrote: > When I was a kid we would take the battery, pour off the electrolite, rinse > it out really well, and refill it with new electrolite. Usually got a few > more months use out of it. Be carefull with the acid. > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Orrin Iseminger >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 1/13/2007 1:47:50 PM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans >> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:31 AM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >> >> Hi All, >> I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there >> > is > >> a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. >> >> Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I >> have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him >> > but > >> his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a few >> times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do not >> want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). >> >> It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance >> > kind > >> - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 >> > years > >> old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get >> > regular > >> "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. >> >> It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it >> just to use for a short time. >> >> Any answers will be appreciated. >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> We have a battery maintainer (float charger) that has a pulse charging >> feature. The manufacturer claims it rejuvenates sulfated batteries. I >> > have > >> no idea if it works or if it is a snake-oil gimmick. >> >> You might want to do some Googling and search for pulse-charging >> information. >> >> Orrin >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: >> > 1/12/2007 2:04 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Sun Jan 14 11:27:43 2007 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:27:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Lauson question Message-ID: All, I recently acquired a new toy, It is a 1 1/2 hp John Lauson made in Wisconsin. I have been looking around and have not found any serial number information. It is a hit and miss, spark plug engine with a Wico mag and dishpan flywheels, the serial number is 1463. It was nicely restored ~ 20 years ago and last run ~10 years ago. After spending a couple of hours of cleaning, inspecting, and lubing the only thing it needs to be a runner is a check valve in the fuel line. Does anyone have any idea when it was made? Thanks, Ken Erman ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 14 11:57:01 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:57:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <45AA82A9.1000904@wildblue.net> References: <380-220071014181923212@earthlink.net> <45AA82A9.1000904@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <87cd7be84c6f2ef1eb97e6f23c98afa6@chartertn.net> I dunno. Sulfuric acid never does evaporate to a solid. Anything solid coming out of a used battery would be mostly lead sulfate. Not that great a fertilizer. John On Jan 14, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Clint D wrote: > You can take the old acid in a plastic bucket, let it evaporate down > to a solid,, then if you wish, this is good for a fertilizer or the > very small amount of solid can be disposed at the city landfill in he > right department John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From old_iron at msn.com Sun Jan 14 16:32:04 2007 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:32:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <87cd7be84c6f2ef1eb97e6f23c98afa6@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Bill said just go to your local "junk yard" give the guy $10 get a used battery and save yourself the hassel and possible trip to the hospital when one or most of the before mentioned methods cause a burn or it explodes. Bill & Peg Pfeiffer >From: John Culp >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:57:01 -0500 > >I dunno. Sulfuric acid never does evaporate to a solid. Anything solid >coming out of a used battery would be mostly lead sulfate. Not that great a >fertilizer. > >John > >On Jan 14, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Clint D wrote: > >>You can take the old acid in a plastic bucket, let it evaporate down to a >>solid,, then if you wish, this is good for a fertilizer or the very small >>amount of solid can be disposed at the city landfill in he right >>department > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 14 17:34:11 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:34:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? References: Message-ID: <00b701c73845$423532b0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Yeah, and check out the junk guy's clothes, they're probably full of holes too. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > Bill said just go to your local "junk yard" give the guy $10 get a used > battery and save yourself the hassel and possible trip to the hospital > when one or most of the before mentioned methods cause a burn or it > explodes. > > > Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > > >>From: John Culp >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >>Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:57:01 -0500 >> >>I dunno. Sulfuric acid never does evaporate to a solid. Anything solid >>coming out of a used battery would be mostly lead sulfate. Not that great >>a fertilizer. >> >>John >> >>On Jan 14, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Clint D wrote: >> >>>You can take the old acid in a plastic bucket, let it evaporate down to a >>>solid,, then if you wish, this is good for a fertilizer or the very small >>>amount of solid can be disposed at the city landfill in he right >>>department >> >> >>John Culp >>Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 14 18:36:25 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:36:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Info for Mike Tucker Message-ID: <45AAE8A9.9010804@scrtc.com> Mike, I don't have your email address here at home but last summer you asked about a rotary water pump for your 4 HP IHC. There was some discussion on the SEL about it but I don't think anyone on the list was able to produce a photo of one for you. There is one on ebay right now and you can see what they look like. Its item number: 330074054101 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jan 14 18:41:52 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:41:52 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001d01c7384e$bce07660$790c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Jerry ,why don't you buy yourself a Jump Start Pack. I have a small 6oo amp one ,cost me $36.00 [Australian] very handy .It will start your car when you want to use it . I use mine to run an Engel fridge ,portable TV and many other things .It charges up easily from you cig lighter socket and as a bonus has a flash light . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > Hi All, > I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there is > a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. > > Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I > have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him > but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a > few times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do > not want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). > > It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance > kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 > years old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get > regular "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. > > It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it > just to use for a short time. > > Any answers will be appreciated. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 14 19:25:28 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:25:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <001d01c7384e$bce07660$790c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <00cd01c73854$ce02b240$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Don't do it, Jerry. Your tractor might start in gear, yank the refridgerator plug out the wall, the light might blind you and the thing might just burn your car to the ground by charging it. Oh yes, don't drink anything for a while. It might be battery acid and stay away from the old engines and tractors, they are way to dangerous. Last tag. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start > Jerry ,why don't you buy yourself a Jump Start Pack. I have a small 6oo > amp one ,cost me $36.00 [Australian] very handy .It will start your car > when you want to use it . I use mine to run an Engel fridge ,portable TV > and many other things .It charges up easily from you cig lighter socket > and as a bonus has a flash light . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Evans" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:31 AM > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > >> Hi All, >> I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there >> is a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. >> >> Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I >> have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him >> but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle a >> few times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but do >> not want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). >> >> It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance >> kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over 2 >> years old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not get >> regular "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. >> >> It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it >> just to use for a short time. >> >> Any answers will be appreciated. >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Tel. (016) 365-5787 >> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >> Cell: 083 293 7191 >> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >> www.oldengine.org/members/evans >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jan 14 20:37:08 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:37:08 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za><001d01c7384e$bce07660$790c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> <00cd01c73854$ce02b240$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <000f01c7385e$d4419ea0$cbc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> I have heard but not experienced that some of that beer in SA tastes like battery acid ,he may not know the difference. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Cleveland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start > Don't do it, Jerry. Your tractor might start in gear, yank the > refridgerator plug out the wall, the light might blind you and the thing > might just burn your car to the ground by charging it. > Oh yes, don't drink anything for a while. It might be battery acid and > stay away from the old engines and tractors, they are way to dangerous. > > Last tag. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start > > >> Jerry ,why don't you buy yourself a Jump Start Pack. I have a small 6oo >> amp one ,cost me $36.00 [Australian] very handy .It will start your car >> when you want to use it . I use mine to run an Engel fridge ,portable TV >> and many other things .It charges up easily from you cig lighter socket >> and as a bonus has a flash light . >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Evans" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:31 AM >> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >> >> >>> Hi All, >>> I know this is off topic but my experience has shown that there >>> is a lot of knowledge on the lists and maybe someone has a fix for me. >>> >>> Is there a way to do something to a car battery that is poked. I >>> have a friend who imports batteries and have ordered a new one from him >>> but his shipment only arrives in 2 weeks and I need to use this vehicle >>> a few times in that time. (I have other vehicles with good batteries but >>> do not want to have to hassle with swopping batteries all the time). >>> >>> It's a 12 volt 55AH battery - not the sealed "Low Maintenance >>> kind - it's got filler caps to top up the water with and only just over >>> 2 years old but I very seldom use this vehicle so the battery does not >>> get regular "excercise" and now does not hold a charge for very long. >>> >>> It struck me that there may be a way of temporarily reviving it >>> just to use for a short time. >>> >>> Any answers will be appreciated. >>> >>> Keep the revs up (or down) >>> Jerry Evans >>> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >>> Tel. (016) 365-5787 >>> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >>> Cell: 083 293 7191 >>> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >>> www.oldengine.org/members/evans >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: >> 1/13/2007 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jan 15 05:33:35 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:33:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <200701141700.l0EH05qq016563@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701151535375.SM01860@new.databak.co.za> >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >Hi Everyone, Thanks for all the responses I had to this question. I will not mention all the names. My telephone lines were hit by lightning over the weekend so I only got most of the replies today (Monday). I'll let the lists know if I have any success. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jan 15 06:35:06 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:35:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <200701141700.l0EH05qq016563@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070115162143.00aede98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >From: "Elden DuRand" >Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? >Jerry: > >Be careful of the gas that is liberated by this kind of charging. You >could have an uplifting experience! Thanks Elden, "Been there - done that" Years ago when I was even more stupid than I am now I had a battery on charge in my workshop. Now this was a clean workshop - for making signs - so I never welded, used an angle grinder or spraypainted in there. Just once I was too lazy to follow my own rules and had a tiny bit of steel to grind so thought "What the Heck, I'll just do it here in the woodwork vice". Of course the battery was on charge about 2 paces away and the grinding sparks ignited it. The worst part was cleaning up and changing my shorts. Then I also had to clean the workshop where everything was covered in battery acid. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From edurand at cybertron.com Mon Jan 15 08:06:11 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:06:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070115162143.00aede98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I had a similar experience but the battery was just sitting there hooked to my genset and I did everything right. One day, after getting out of the swimming pool, I remembered that I hadn't exercised the genset for a while so, dripping wet, I walked into the garage, flipped the ignition and pressed the start button. KA-BLAM! The battery literally exploded, sending acid, pieces of the case, plates, etc. all over the garage. I ran outside and turned the hose on myself and suffered no burns but there are still very faint footprints etched in the concrete from my bare feet as I made a hasty exit. I think being wet kept me from being burned. After cleaning up the mess, I washed off the battery parts and found that one of the internal connections hadn't been made well and fused when I hit the starter. Enough gas was lurking in the battery to cause the explosion. Since the battery was under warranty, I got the store to swap it for a new one. They wanted to pro-rate the warranty but when I whispered sweet lawyers into their ears, they came to their senses. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 08:35 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > > >From: "Elden DuRand" > >Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ?? > >Jerry: > > > > >Be careful of the gas that is liberated by this > kind of charging. You > >could have an uplifting experience! > > Thanks Elden, > "Been there - done that" .......................snip.......................... From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jan 15 08:31:18 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:31:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Part Number Message-ID: <45ABAC56.10006@scrtc.com> Can someone tell me if this fuel pump linkage IHC part number is for a 4 HP or a 6 HP? Thanks. G772 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From skipl130 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 09:49:57 2007 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:49:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] IHC Part Number In-Reply-To: <45ABAC56.10006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <43403.96199.qm@web35311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> acording to my book, it's 4 hp. skip Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Can someone tell me if this fuel pump linkage IHC part number is for a 4 HP or a 6 HP? Thanks. G772 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. From oldengin at verizon.net Mon Jan 15 12:24:45 2007 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:24:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Car Battery fix ??...maybe a jump start References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070113182206.02ee8d98@mail.cyberserv.co.za><001d01c7384e$bce07660$790c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> <00cd01c73854$ce02b240$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <000f01c7385e$d4419ea0$cbc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004a01c738e3$36e13910$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> >I have heard but not experienced that some of that beer in SA tastes like > battery acid ,he may not know the difference. Must be drinkin miller beers again? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jan 15 13:15:09 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:15:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Part Number In-Reply-To: <43403.96199.qm@web35311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <43403.96199.qm@web35311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45ABEEDD.4050206@scrtc.com> Thanks Skip. Actually, its the linkage you have for sale on ebay. I need one for a 6 HP and I wanted to make sure that yours wasn't what I needed. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >acording to my book, it's 4 hp. skip > >Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Can someone tell me if this fuel pump linkage IHC part number is for a 4 >HP or a 6 HP? Thanks. > >G772 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >--------------------------------- >Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From skipl130 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 14:49:32 2007 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:49:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] IHC Part Number In-Reply-To: <45ABEEDD.4050206@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <713905.32285.qm@web35309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> sorry tommy. Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Thanks Skip. Actually, its the linkage you have for sale on ebay. I need one for a 6 HP and I wanted to make sure that yours wasn't what I needed. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >acording to my book, it's 4 hp. skip > >Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Can someone tell me if this fuel pump linkage IHC part number is for a 4 >HP or a 6 HP? Thanks. > >G772 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >--------------------------------- >Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. From ihcboggs at jayco.net Fri Jan 19 19:20:42 2007 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne & Casey Boggs) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:20:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2146CA Pulley Message-ID: <000201c73c47$e4917130$3d5328cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Hi guy's I'm looking for a pulley to run a vacuum pump the part # is 2146CA ( 10" dia. for v belt & 6" dia., 2 1/4 face) any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks DeWayne From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 16 07:08:35 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:08:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] For Larry Anger Message-ID: <200701161709796.SM01992@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys - sorry to put this on the list but I'm battling to get mail through to Larry Anger. Hi Larry, Your mail to my other address as well as this one has reached me and I have replied twice to your mail already but keep getting the following error message: "Delivery failed 15 attempts: langer at lbxco.com SMTP connection failed" Do you have another email address or is there something wrong with your mail server perhaps? I will also copy this message to the SEL list - If you receive it please let me know if you have another email address. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 16 07:17:41 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:17:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070116171451.00b0cb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South Africa to bring in the harvest. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jan 16 08:07:39 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:07:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070116171451.00b0cb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Thank you Jerry...now that's something one doesn't see everyday. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:17 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together > Hi All, > Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines > working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South > Africa to bring in the harvest. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 16 08:07:35 2007 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:07:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] For Larry Anger In-Reply-To: <200701161709796.SM01992@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <20070116160736.54600.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Jerry - I now have a reply to my work e-mail address and to your e-mail here on the sel list. Send me the info on my work e-mail address and I'll see if it comes through OK. Larry. Jerry Evans wrote: Hi Guys - sorry to put this on the list but I'm battling to get mail through to Larry Anger. Hi Larry, Your mail to my other address as well as this one has reached me and I have replied twice to your mail already but keep getting the following error message: "Delivery failed 15 attempts: langer at lbxco.com SMTP connection failed" Do you have another email address or is there something wrong with your mail server perhaps? I will also copy this message to the SEL list - If you receive it please let me know if you have another email address. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Jan 16 09:42:51 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:42:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070116171451.00b0cb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <200701161743.l0GHh2kv024846@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:18 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together Hi All, Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South Africa to bring in the harvest. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans ~~~~~~~ Thank you for posting that link, Jerry! For sure, those are some unique harvest pictures. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Jan 16 11:21:15 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:21:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070116171451.00b0cb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <00d401c739a3$7e5c5020$4983fb40@HP28276676518> Thank you for the link Jerry. I throughly enjoyed looking at a huge farming operation. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together > Hi All, > Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines > working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South > Africa to bring in the harvest. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 > 8:25 AM > > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jan 16 11:41:32 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:41:32 -0000 Subject: [SEL] fuller and johnson Message-ID: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guys, I've recentley purchased a neat 11/2 hp F & J fired by a wico ek magneto, it is in running order and just needs tidying up. The engine was originally on a concrete mixer many years ago, there for it was never equiped with a crank gaurd . I would like to fit it with a crank gaurd , any help with dimensions type of gaurd etc would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance Craig in Scotland From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Tue Jan 16 11:56:37 2007 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:56:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070116171451.00b0cb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001401c739a8$73237120$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Jerry; I believe John Deere and Case-IH would like to see the pictures you posted and probably make copies. I don't know how to forward to them or I would give it a shot. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together > Hi All, > Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines > working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South > Africa to bring in the harvest. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Jan 16 13:13:46 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:13:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] fuller and johnson Message-ID: <011620072113.19868.45AD400A000C1A2000004D9C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Craig, Contact Nev Beaty as the one I sent him should have the crank guard and bet he would loan you his to reproduce. regards, Curt Andree > Hi Guys, > I've recentley purchased a neat 11/2 hp F & J fired by a wico ek > magneto, it is in running order and just needs tidying up. The engine was > originally on a concrete mixer many years ago, there for it was never equiped > with a crank gaurd . > I would like to fit it with a crank gaurd , any help with dimensions type of > gaurd etc would be very much appreciated. > > Thanks in advance Craig in Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jan 16 13:18:57 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:18:57 EST Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together Message-ID: Jerry, Thanks for posting the great farm combining photos with the old railroad. Never see that anywhere again! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jan 16 13:44:40 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:44:40 -0500 Subject: Spam/Phish> Re: [SEL] fuller and johnson Message-ID: <20070116.164916.820.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Craig, Congrats on the F&J. I also had a F&J "NC" that was used on a mixer. The idea of it NOT having a crank guard doesn't sound right. Mainly because of all the slop and dust the engine would encounter. Mine had a tin enlosure that may be of interest to you. When the enclosure was taken off, there was no evidence that the engine had a crank guard at all. Therefore, I would suggest that yours might have had something like mine. Take a look on my site www.oldengine.org/members/betz under "My First Engine" and scroll down to the Fuller & Johnson. It's not a good pic of the crank guard - but - I also believe there are better pics of that engine on my Webshots http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz under "Toys". Hope this helps. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jan 16 15:38:31 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:38:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] fuller and johnson In-Reply-To: <011620072113.19868.45AD400A000C1A2000004D9C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <011620072113.19868.45AD400A000C1A2000004D9C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <1168990711.45ad61f75826c@webmail.city-net.com> Damn Curt!! There's a name for THAT sort of behaviour!! Quoting cgandree at mchsi.com: > Craig, > Contact Nev Beaty ... > bet he would loan you his to reproduce. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jan 16 17:38:25 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:38:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <20070116.173825.420.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Over the weekend I picked up an 2hp Fuller & Johnson ND, #177050. Drained the old rotten fuel, put in a new check valve and spun her over. Started up and ran great. I have lost the address of the keeper of the F&J records, would like to find out the information on the engine. Does anyone have his address? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 16 17:47:16 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:47:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - Ethanol in all gas?? In-Reply-To: <1168990711.45ad61f75826c@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000301c739d9$6e2148b0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Just read this on a forum - I say no way! Any other thoughts??? [quote author=farna link=1168821301/0#6 date=1168987087]There is 10% alcohol in ALL gasoline now. That was mandated by the president near the end of last summer. It put a big boost in ethanol production, which was part of the intention. [/quote] From falcon at telenet.net Tue Jan 16 18:35:02 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:35:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Ethanol in all gas?? In-Reply-To: <000301c739d9$6e2148b0$4200a8c0@sheeba> References: <000301c739d9$6e2148b0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <45AD8B56.9010208@telenet.net> True. The only gasoline that doesn't have alcohol in it now is aviation rated stuff. It isn't a big problem except that it makes the gas more hydroscopic. Bill Dickerson wrote: > Just read this on a forum - I say no way! > Any other thoughts??? > > [quote author=farna link=1168821301/0#6 date=1168987087]There is 10% alcohol > in ALL gasoline now. That was mandated by the president near the end of last > summer. It put a big boost in ethanol production, which was part of the > intention. [/quote] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jan 16 18:47:25 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:47:25 -0500 Subject: Spam/Phish> Re: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <20070116.214734.280.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ron, Here are 2 sites I have in the archives. Not sure what they are but I have them under Fuller & Johnson. http://people.ne.mediaone.net/dora9/index.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/lozzi/Index.htm Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Jan 16 18:53:54 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:53:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - Ethanol in all gas?? References: <000301c739d9$6e2148b0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <014001c739e2$ba710670$4983fb40@HP28276676518> Hasn't happened yet in Missouri. There been discussion about the state mandating ethanol, but we can grow corn in the upper half of the state. I think there would be little savings at the pump. Gary > Just read this on a forum - I say no way! > Any other thoughts??? > > [quote author=farna link=1168821301/0#6 date=1168987087]There is 10% > alcohol > in ALL gasoline now. That was mandated by the president near the end of > last > summer. It put a big boost in ethanol production, which was part of the > intention. [/quote] > > >> From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jan 16 19:50:26 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:50:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <20070116.195026.420.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Joe. The second site lists Verne Kindschi as the keeper of the records. I thought he passed them on to someone else. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:47:25 -0500 Joseph L Betz writes: > Hi Ron, > Here are 2 sites I have in the archives. > Not sure what they are but I have them under > Fuller & Johnson. > > http://people.ne.mediaone.net/dora9/index.html > http://www.oldengine.org/members/lozzi/Index.htm > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." > (_o_) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jan 17 07:56:44 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:56:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O/T..ice storms Message-ID: Gawd, I'm glad we don't get ice storms in The Big Sky. Think this pretty much sums it up...chain link fence. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15572&d=1168834749 RickinMt. From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 17 08:46:07 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:46:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor is if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com hawking some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or whatever, please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been getting thousands of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on bounce messages. And they are from as many different peoples email addresses due to a spammer latching onto and using my email address as the source for their spam. So far a sampling of the bounced emails has not shown any email addresses I am familiar with. A large amount of them are to foreign ISPs. Theres many different ways these low lifes get your email address. But I'd be interested to see if its anyone I know and what group of whom I know If any?! thats getting these emails thats supposedly from me. Might just narrow it down some. My guess is they are not spamming anyone I know. My guess is some worm or whatever took it from one of my ebay listings. Or a web site somewhere. I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in 10 plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor soles getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned mail notices. And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. Thanks, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 Verizon Cell #419.516.2996 Mark #330.475.4450 Christine From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jan 17 09:33:13 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:33:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: 45AE5DD9.1040109@scrtc.com Mark, I thought you had just started a new line of work. In fact, my wife read the email that came from you (I hadn't at the time) and said "Do you know Mark Shulaw of Bluffton, OH". I told her sure. She asked if you were truthful. I told her whatever you said, she could count of it. When I walked out of the house this morning she was still trying to dial your number.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com > hawking male enhancement > > Thanks, Mark > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Home #419.358.5206 > Verizon Cell > #419.516.2996 Mark > #330.475.4450 Christine > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 17 09:18:24 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:18:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: 45AE5DD9.1040109@scrtc.com References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> 45AE5DD9.1040109@scrtc.com Message-ID: Hey Tommy, You better keep an eye on your wife. Remember that Mark also deals in Maytags. That "male enhancement" might end up looking like this... http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/03/22/miraclesurgery.shtml?3rdarm See ya, Arnie On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Mark, > I thought you had just started a new line of work. In fact, my wife > read the email that came from you (I hadn't at the time) and said "Do > you know Mark Shulaw of Bluffton, OH". I told her sure. She asked if > you were truthful. I told her whatever you said, she could count of > it. When I walked out of the house this morning she was still trying to > dial your number.... > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com > > hawking male enhancement > > Thanks, Mark From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 17 10:21:43 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:21:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <3146.165.206.180.53.1169058103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> ONE possible cause - there are other scenerios....... You are computer A Another person who has your email address somewhere on their computer is Comnputer B. They may have it in an address book, in Outlook or any other email application (just like we all do since we receive list messages from you with your address in it) or they may have visited a web site that has your address on it, whatever, Computer B has your email address existing in some file or document or mailbox on that computer. Computer C is the innocent person who receives the spam or worm. Computer B gets a worm or trojan either through visiting a questionable web site, or opening an email attachment, or whatever, but Computer B gets an "infection". Spammers now hire virus and worm writers to assist them in spreading their wares/messages. So, that "worm" on Computer B looks for email addresses. It either gathers them and uses them directly, or it sends them out to a web server somewhere. If it uses them directly, it will craft the message and use one email address as the "from" line, the rest it will use as the "To:" line. It spoofs the sender, making your address that if found on the hard drive as the "reply to" person. It then uses its own SMTP server which it installs on Computer B and sends hundreds of messages out all over, each with Computer A address - your address, as the from or reply to line. So any bad email addresses, you get the bounce message because mail administrators are too dumb to set their software up correctly or can't change it or don't care. If it doesn't work directly on the host or infected computer, it sends those addresses it found to another machine which picks an address or more at random to use as the reply to or sender address, and it sends out the spam. For this to work, the "infected" computer is not running good antivirus and doesn't have a decent firewall. So it's possible a list member computer was used to either send the spam, or acted as the source for the email addresses used. Of course, there are other explanations, such as web bots harvesting email addresses from web sites, forums, list servers, you name it. It used to be this is how worms spread themselves, SPAMMERS liked this so well, it's free, clean and simple, so they have hired the worm/virus writers to write little packages up that will do the same thing but use it to send out spam. The United States is the number one source of all spam in the world, sending out over 80% of all spam received in Europe and Australia. Bill > Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor is > if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com hawking > some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or whatever, > please > let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been getting thousands of > Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on bounce messages. And they > are > from as many different peoples email addresses due to a spammer latching > onto and using my email address as the source for their spam. So far a > sampling of the bounced emails has not shown any email addresses I am > familiar with. A large amount of them are to foreign ISPs. Theres many > different ways these low lifes get your email address. But I'd be > interested to see if its anyone I know and what group of whom I know If > any?! thats getting these emails thats supposedly from me. Might just > narrow it down some. My guess is they are not spamming anyone I know. My > guess is some worm or whatever took it from one of my ebay listings. Or a > web site somewhere. > I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in > 10 > plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor soles > getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned mail > notices. > And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. > > Thanks, > Mark > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Home #419.358.5206 > Verizon Cell > #419.516.2996 Mark > #330.475.4450 Christine > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 17 11:32:27 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:32:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117143114.02f6ee10@pop3.wcoil.com> Ouch Arnie, UGH I think I need a shower I feel so violated. Mark At 12:18 PM 1/17/07, you wrote: >Hey Tommy, > >You better keep an eye on your wife. Remember that Mark also deals in >Maytags. That "male enhancement" might end up looking like this... >http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/03/22/miraclesurgery.shtml?3rdarm > >See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 17 10:58:51 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:58:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117143114.02f6ee10@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117143114.02f6ee10@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: It's 'em damn Maytags... I keep tellin' ya... 8-)) On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Ouch Arnie, UGH I think I need a shower I feel so violated. Mark > > > At 12:18 PM 1/17/07, you wrote: > >You better keep an eye on your wife. Remember that Mark also deals in > >Maytags. That "male enhancement" might end up looking like this... > >http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/03/22/miraclesurgery.shtml?3rdarm From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jan 17 15:56:25 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:56:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <71ce67a13c75ca43711145e9298f9e1e@chartertn.net> That happens to everybody sooner or later. Somebody's PC gets infected with one of the worms that sends out spam to everyone whose E-mail address is stored in their computer, using the spoofed sender addresses of everyone whose E-mail's stored in the computer as well. Somebody's computer in the Mindspring domain is sending out Cialis spam purportedly coming from me. I get bounced messages nearly every day. It's not coming from my computer, and I can't do a thing about it. That's just life if you have other friends with your E-mail on their system somewhere and they don't have their PC properly protected. The spammer doesn't have to have your address, he just has to take over the computer of someone who knows you. John On Jan 17, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor > is if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com > hawking some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or > whatever, please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been > getting thousands of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on > bounce messages. And they are from as many different peoples email > addresses due to a spammer latching onto and using my email address as > the source for their spam. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 17 15:59:33 2007 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:59:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together In-Reply-To: <001401c739a8$73237120$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Message-ID: I have forwarded to my friends in service training at Case IH Thanks Jerry Ed Herreid ----Original Message Follows---- From: "armstrong" Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:56:37 -0600 Jerry; I believe John Deere and Case-IH would like to see the pictures you posted and probably make copies. I don't know how to forward to them or I would give it a shot. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together >Hi All, > Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines >working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South >Africa to bring in the harvest. > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Tel. (016) 365-5787 >Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >Cell: 083 293 7191 >Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >www.oldengine.org/members/evans >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.? Get a customized station.? Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 From rex002 at centurytel.net Wed Jan 17 16:41:47 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:41:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000a01c73a99$7094dd80$6500a8c0@home> Mark ; What is this stuff your selling ? does it really work ,how much does it cost ? does the amount you take make a BIG difference ? :-)) Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: > Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor is > if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com hawking > some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or whatever, > please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been getting thousands > of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on bounce messages. And they > are from as many different peoples email addresses due to a spammer > latching onto and using my email address as the source for their spam. So > far a sampling of the bounced emails has not shown any email addresses I > am familiar with. A large amount of them are to foreign ISPs. Theres many > different ways these low lifes get your email address. But I'd be > interested to see if its anyone I know and what group of whom I know If > any?! thats getting these emails thats supposedly from me. Might just > narrow it down some. My guess is they are not spamming anyone I know. My > guess is some worm or whatever took it from one of my ebay listings. Or a > web site somewhere. > I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in 10 > plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor soles > getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned mail > notices. > And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. > > > Thanks, Mark > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Home #419.358.5206 > Verizon Cell > #419.516.2996 Mark > #330.475.4450 Christine > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Wed Jan 17 16:48:56 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:48:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <45AEC3F8.9020501@telenet.net> Mark, Contact your ISP about this. Also you can have them change your account. Then you need to update anything and anyone you have contacted. Oh, one other thing NEVER,NEVER, NEVER..... put your entire address phone and contact info in ANY EMAIL. Unless your 100% sure it is secure and that any machine receiving that email is 100% secure as well. Just gives WAY to much access to other personal info. Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor > is if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com > hawking some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or > whatever, please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been > getting thousands of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on > bounce messages. And they are from as many different peoples email > addresses due to a spammer latching onto and using my email address as > the source for their spam. So far a sampling of the bounced emails has > not shown any email addresses I am familiar with. A large amount of them > are to foreign ISPs. Theres many different ways these low lifes get your > email address. But I'd be interested to see if its anyone I know and > what group of whom I know If any?! thats getting these emails thats > supposedly from me. Might just narrow it down some. My guess is they are > not spamming anyone I know. My guess is some worm or whatever took it > from one of my ebay listings. Or a web site somewhere. > I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in > 10 plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor > soles getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned > mail notices. > And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. > > > Thanks, Mark -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 17 17:03:11 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:03:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <000a01c73a99$7094dd80$6500a8c0@home> Message-ID: <000601c73a9c$6f081ba0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Mark - will you take a check instead of a CC? Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 6:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Mark ; What is this stuff your selling ? does it really work ,how much does it cost ? does the amount you take make a BIG difference ? :-)) Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: > Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor is > if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com hawking > some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or whatever, > please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been getting thousands > of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on bounce messages. And they > are from as many different peoples email addresses due to a spammer > latching onto and using my email address as the source for their spam. So > far a sampling of the bounced emails has not shown any email addresses I > am familiar with. A large amount of them are to foreign ISPs. Theres many > different ways these low lifes get your email address. But I'd be > interested to see if its anyone I know and what group of whom I know If > any?! thats getting these emails thats supposedly from me. Might just > narrow it down some. My guess is they are not spamming anyone I know. My > guess is some worm or whatever took it from one of my ebay listings. Or a > web site somewhere. > I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in 10 > plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor soles > getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned mail > notices. > And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. > > > Thanks, Mark > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Home #419.358.5206 > Verizon Cell > #419.516.2996 Mark > #330.475.4450 Christine > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 17 20:39:17 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:39:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <45AEC3F8.9020501@telenet.net> References: <002501c739a6$61a758a0$a4dfe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.2.1.2.1.20070117093457.02fd9110@pop3.wcoil.com> <45AEC3F8.9020501@telenet.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117230549.02f7aaf0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Steve, Thanks for the thought, You're right its not ideal to include contact info in emails but Its kinda hard to not include the info you mentioned when you run a mail order business like I do. I don't take credit cards so I don't have to worry about the security issue there. But since I am constantly dealing with Pay Pal I am having to be constantly vigilant. I feel changing my email address is out of the question because of the mail order. I've got 10 years worth of advertising out there that would become obsolete in a matter of a few key strokes. You would be amazed at the number of people who if a email address no longer works they give up trying to get ahold of you. Its almost like using the telephone is too difficult anymore. I have contacted my ISP and we are customizing a spam filter for my address at the ISP. So far since this morning we have been able to knock it down to a quiet roar. With what was done this morning and early afternoon the filter has weeded out over 3000 bounce and blocked messages so for. With a little more tweeking I hope we can get it down to a couple dozen a day. Instead of hundreds per hour like was happening. But maybe this too is a pipe dream. TTYL, Mark PS: And thanks to all for the the ideas. PPS: I wish I was selling the junk they are, there must be a hellofa market for it if they are constantly going to all this trouble to do it. At 07:48 PM 1/17/07, you wrote: >Mark, > Contact your ISP about this. Also you can have them change your > account. Then you need to update anything and anyone you have contacted. > >Oh, one other thing NEVER,NEVER, NEVER..... put your entire address phone >and contact info in ANY EMAIL. Unless your 100% sure it is secure and that >any machine receiving that email is 100% secure as well. Just gives WAY to >much access to other personal info. > > >Mark Shulaw wrote: >>Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor is >>if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com >>hawking some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or >>whatever, please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been >>getting thousands of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on bounce >>messages. And they are from as many different peoples email addresses due >>to a spammer latching onto and using my email address as the source for >>their spam. So far a sampling of the bounced emails has not shown any >>email addresses I am familiar with. A large amount of them are to foreign >>ISPs. Theres many different ways these low lifes get your email address. >>But I'd be interested to see if its anyone I know and what group of whom >>I know If any?! thats getting these emails thats supposedly from me. >>Might just narrow it down some. My guess is they are not spamming anyone >>I know. My guess is some worm or whatever took it from one of my ebay >>listings. Or a web site somewhere. >> I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in >> 10 plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor >> soles getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned >> mail notices. >>And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. >> >>Thanks, Mark > > >-- >Steve W. >Near Cooperstown, New York > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 17 20:43:49 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:43:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <000601c73a9c$6f081ba0$4200a8c0@sheeba> References: <000a01c73a99$7094dd80$6500a8c0@home> <000601c73a9c$6f081ba0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070117234019.02f7b280@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Bill, Heck yes send the checks on, leave the amounts blank and I'll fill that in and send ya whatever I got thats might be kinda worth that amount. I'll see what they have at the local health food store. Need a little more lead in your pencil? No guarantees of course, GRINNNNN. TTYL, Mark At 08:03 PM 1/17/07, you wrote: >Mark - will you take a check instead of a CC? > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 6:42 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: > >Mark ; > What is this stuff your selling ? does it really work ,how much does it >cost ? does the amount you take make a BIG difference ? :-)) > >Rex >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Shulaw" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:46 AM >Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: > > > > Hello Y'all, I need to ask all of you to do me a favor and that favor is > > if you receive what appears to be spam from me frappi at wcoil.com hawking > > some love potions or male enhancement thing-a-mer-bobby or whatever, > > please let me know about it. Since yesterday I have been getting thousands > > > of Returned Mail , Mail Undeliverable, and so on bounce messages. And they > > > are from as many different peoples email addresses due to a spammer > > latching onto and using my email address as the source for their spam. So > > far a sampling of the bounced emails has not shown any email addresses I > > am familiar with. A large amount of them are to foreign ISPs. Theres many > > different ways these low lifes get your email address. But I'd be > > interested to see if its anyone I know and what group of whom I know If > > any?! thats getting these emails thats supposedly from me. Might just > > narrow it down some. My guess is they are not spamming anyone I know. My > > guess is some worm or whatever took it from one of my ebay listings. Or a > > web site somewhere. > > I am now running a spam blocker set up by my ISP for the first time in 10 > > > plus years of internet useage for me. This will not help the poor soles > > getting the spam but at least I am not getting all the returned mail > > notices. > > And yes I am constantly running virus programs, and adaware. > > > > > > Thanks, Mark > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > > Home #419.358.5206 > > Verizon Cell > > #419.516.2996 Mark > > #330.475.4450 Christine > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 17 21:26:18 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:26:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral Register Message-ID: <20070118052620.YWSU17919.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> My copy of the Austral Register arrived in the post yesterday. This was advertised in the last TOMM and is more than worth the money. There is an amazing amount of great info in the folder provided and I would recommend it to anyone who has an Austral or even an interest in them. There is all sorts of great stuff included that I had never seen before. My 3.5hp Austral cost ?128 when new in 1917 and weighed in at 28 Cwt! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From marshallman at iprimus.com.au Wed Jan 17 22:25:14 2007 From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:25:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 16 References: <200701161700.l0GH03N4007296@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <003501c73ac9$6a637950$0600a8c0@user783e64edcc> Some of you may like to see some nice pics of modern Combines working with a restored narrow guage railway at Sandstone Estates in South Africa to bring in the harvest. Nice Jerry, VERY nice ...... I'm a big advocate for train transport of goods ..... the B-Doubles are frightening in a Getz! LOL!!!! Jim marshallman at iprimus.com.au 8^) Runnin' with the wind ... From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Thu Jan 18 03:56:00 2007 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:56:00 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Sweatshirt References: <200612131031450328.0CECDD56@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612152000010578.1941FFF5@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612182126460359.0E38EAC4@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612212141530234.0A65A7AA@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612222221460921.0FB0ACBC@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612231010200359.123960DA@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612250843070062.1C3664DC@heavyiron.atis.net> <200612272256190078.0AD5877F@heavyiron.atis.net><200701022249320125.29B5D583@heavyiron.atis.net> <45A94969.4050200@semidiesel.com> Message-ID: <00a301c73af7$9f6555a0$f301a8c0@armstrong> hi Paul I bid for the DVD at the auction but so far have not got any answers from Spencer regarding the payment I have sent 2 emails but no reply. can you help Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Sweatshirt > Hi Spencer, > Need a size for your shirt. > > Do you want the museum logo or would you like the ATIS one instead. > > Need a postal address as well. > > Cheers > Paul > > -- > > Internal Fire Museum of Power > > Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS > > http://www.internalfire.com > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: > 12/20/2006 15:54 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 18 13:01:05 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:01:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <200701181700.l0IH07bk021541@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701182328484.SM01732@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >From: "armstrong" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:56:37 -0600 >Jerry; > I believe John Deere and Case-IH would like to see the pictures you >posted and probably make copies. I don't know how to forward to them or I >would give it a shot. George Hi George, The local distributors know all about it and I'm sure they have informed the powers that be. The farm is actually a big John Deere user but there is a story doing the rounds that the service from JD was not quite up to scratch so they went out and bought the 2 case combines just to show them a thing or two. JD is now giving excellent service again :-) (You never heard that from me) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 18 12:54:31 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:54:31 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <200701181700.l0IH07bk021541@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701182328296.SM01712@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >From: Arnie Fero >Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: >To: The SEL email discussion list > >It's 'em damn Maytags... I keep tellin' ya... 8-)) Now I'm really worried - I bought the Maytag on the auction (in spite of repeated warnings from list members not to). Do they really have serious side effects like this ?? :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 18 12:45:08 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:45:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: (Spammers) In-Reply-To: <200701181700.l0IH07bk021541@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <20070118232800.SM01732@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Hi Mark, Don't worry too much about it - it happens to me all the time - the spammers and their worms forge your address as the sender. In my case it normally goes on for about 2 weeks and then they pick on someone else and it stops until the next time. They do it 2 ways in my case: 1) They will use a legit address from one of my sites such as . In this case there is not much I can do about all the "Mail undelivered" messages. Just takes my time to delete them all. 2) They also use random names, letters and numbers before the "@" sign so you get a sender like . My hosting provider had a mail box called a "catchall" which then forwarded all these to my real address. I just deleted the catchall and that put and end to all of those. It's a damn Pain In the A** that we have to live with these spammers - they are seriously lowlife. The problem is that some people are still stupid enough to buy from them and that gives them the incentive to carry on. If they send out 1 million spams they may get 3 or 4 idiots that do send some money so that encourages them to send out 100 million tomorrow. Totally chews up our bandwith and costs us money and time to delete the stuff in spite of the filters that most ISP's have in place. There seems to be a constant battle between them and the writers of the filters to outwit each other. I've often wished that some big "Mafia Boss" would get Pee'd off with them and offer anyone who kills a proven spammer a massive $$$ reward. We will never get rid of this scum legally so maybe it should be done illegally. I'm not talking about the poor idiot who has allowed his computer to become infected - I want the guys who originate it all. NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM A SPAMMER. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 18 13:15:05 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:15:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Spencer R U There? In-Reply-To: <200701181700.l0IH07bk021541@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701182329578.SM01732@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 15 >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:56:00 +0900 >From: "kevin armstrong" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Holiday Charity Auction - Sweatshirt >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >hi Paul >I bid for the DVD at the auction but so far have not got any answers from >Spencer regarding the payment I have sent 2 emails but no reply. >can you help >Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong >Collectors of old things >Perth On the subject of the auction - I've sent payment as well as two eMails to Spencer asking if he received it and have had no reply. Are you reading this Spencer - did you receive my mails and payment?? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 18 13:07:20 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:07:20 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <200701181700.l0IH07bk021541@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701182328546.SM01912@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:48:56 -0500 >From: "Steve W." >Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: >To: The SEL email discussion list > > >Oh, one other thing NEVER,NEVER, NEVER..... put your entire address >phone and contact info in ANY EMAIL. I do not know how you can do this - your eMail programme automatically puts you address in as the sender - if you forge this address how will people reply to you? One thing that would help a bit is if people would clean up all the old headers and addresses when forwarding jokes. I often get forwarded mail with pages of previous addresses on them. Also, when forwarding to a list of recipients, please put their addresses in the BCC. field and then they do not get distributed to all and sundry. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 18 13:18:24 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:18:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Trying to get hold of Glenn Karch Message-ID: <200701182329843.SM00968@new.databak.co.za> Hi All, Is anyone in contact with Glenn Karch? He won one of my auction items and I have sent him 2 eMails but have not had a reply. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Jan 18 14:22:49 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:22:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <200701182328546.SM01912@new.databak.co.za> References: <200701182328546.SM01912@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <3b5ec17b94d8083a6fe740a05c63e9e2@chartertn.net> > One thing that would help a bit is if people would clean up > all the old headers and addresses when forwarding jokes. I often get > forwarded mail with pages of previous addresses on them. That is exactly why spammers circulate those jokes. They eventually come back to them with pages of known good E-mail addresses. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jan 18 14:54:56 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:54:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: (Spammers) In-Reply-To: <20070118232800.SM01732@new.databak.co.za> References: <200701181700.l0IH07bk021541@heavyiron.atis.net> <20070118232800.SM01732@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070118172710.02f8bc50@pop3.wcoil.com> I'm not too worried I was just wondering if any of the group were getting these spams supposedly from me. My thinking was that if my computer was raided for my email and maybe others were grabbed too. Then ya'll would be getting them too. But if robbed from my ebay sales page or someone elses comp then nobody here would be getting them. This way I knew if I had to look harder into my machine for problems like spybots that my programs didn't catch. Its probably like you say they just latched onto my legit email address likely from another source to use as a place for the trash to go and to provide a small bit of cover for them. The spam blocker at my ISP seems to be working well. Only a had full thru today. TTYL, Mark At 03:45 PM 1/18/07, you wrote: >At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >>Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: > >Hi Mark, > Don't worry too much about it - it happens to me all the time - > the spammers and their worms forge your address as the sender. In my case > it normally goes on for about 2 weeks and then they pick on someone else > and it stops until the next time. > They do it 2 ways in my case: > 1) They will use a legit address from one of my sites such as > . In this case there is not much I can do about all > the "Mail undelivered" messages. Just takes my time to delete them all. > 2) They also use random names, letters and numbers before the "@" > sign so you get a sender like . My hosting provider > had a mail box called a "catchall" which then forwarded all these to my > real address. I just deleted the catchall and that put and end to all of those. > > It's a damn Pain In the A** that we have to live with these > spammers - they are seriously lowlife. The problem is that some people > are still stupid enough to buy from them and that gives them the > incentive to carry on. If they send out 1 million spams they may get 3 or > 4 idiots that do send some money so that encourages them to send out 100 > million tomorrow. Totally chews up our bandwith and costs us money and > time to delete the stuff in spite of the filters that most ISP's have in > place. There seems to be a constant battle between them and the writers > of the filters to outwit each other. > > I've often wished that some big "Mafia Boss" would get Pee'd off > with them and offer anyone who kills a proven spammer a massive $$$ > reward. We will never get rid of this scum legally so maybe it should be > done illegally. I'm not talking about the poor idiot who has allowed his > computer to become infected - I want the guys who originate it all. > > NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM A SPAMMER. > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Tel. (016) 365-5787 >Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >Cell: 083 293 7191 >Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >www.oldengine.org/members/evans > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jan 18 15:22:48 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:22:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <200701182328546.SM01912@new.databak.co.za> References: <200701182328546.SM01912@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <45B00148.40504@telenet.net> No need to forge the Email address. I am talking about having items like your full name, address, home and cell phone in a message posted online. It doesn't take much more info for a person to become an identity theft victim. Also it is easy to alter an address so that a person replying to you directly only needs to change one item in your address. Yes it means they have to take that step but it also means that a spammer gets a junk address. Take a look at this reply and you will see that I changed the reply to address. Jerry Evans wrote: > At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:48:56 -0500 >> From: "Steve W." >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> >> Oh, one other thing NEVER,NEVER, NEVER..... put your entire address >> phone and contact info in ANY EMAIL. > > I do not know how you can do this - your eMail programme > automatically puts you address in as the sender - if you forge this > address how will people reply to you? > > One thing that would help a bit is if people would clean up all > the old headers and addresses when forwarding jokes. I often get > forwarded mail with pages of previous addresses on them. Also, when > forwarding to a list of recipients, please put their addresses in the > BCC. field and then they do not get distributed to all and sundry. > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jan 18 15:53:50 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:53:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <45B00148.40504@telenet.net> Message-ID: <002401c73b5b$ea460ab0$4200a8c0@sheeba> If I have a message from you, I have your address.......... And so would a spammer who got into my computer. (but they ain't gonna) You'll need to change a bit more.......... Oh - you need to update your software. As I recall, 1.5 will not be supported in a month or two. -0500 Message-ID: <45B00148.40504 at telenet.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:22:48 -0500 From: "Steve W." User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The SEL email discussion list Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:23 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: No need to forge the Email address. I am talking about having items like your full name, address, home and cell phone in a message posted online. It doesn't take much more info for a person to become an identity theft victim. Also it is easy to alter an address so that a person replying to you directly only needs to change one item in your address. Yes it means they have to take that step but it also means that a spammer gets a junk address. Take a look at this reply and you will see that I changed the reply to address. Jerry Evans wrote: > At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:48:56 -0500 >> From: "Steve W." >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> >> Oh, one other thing NEVER,NEVER, NEVER..... put your entire address >> phone and contact info in ANY EMAIL. > > I do not know how you can do this - your eMail programme > automatically puts you address in as the sender - if you forge this > address how will people reply to you? > > One thing that would help a bit is if people would clean up > all the old headers and addresses when forwarding jokes. I often get > forwarded mail with pages of previous addresses on them. Also, when > forwarding to a list of recipients, please put their addresses in the > BCC. field and then they do not get distributed to all and sundry. > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Thu Jan 18 16:40:46 2007 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:40:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 18 References: <200701182328484.SM01732@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <001701c73b62$7915bcd0$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Thx. Jerry. Both J.D. and Case I.H. have gotten bloody noses here for an attitude adjustment when their service lagged so it's probably universal. Nice photos you posted. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 34, Issue 18 > At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >>From: "armstrong" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Old & new working together >>Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:56:37 -0600 >>Jerry; >> I believe John Deere and Case-IH would like to see the pictures you >>posted and probably make copies. I don't know how to forward to them or I >>would give it a shot. George > > > Hi George, > The local distributors know all about it and I'm sure they have > informed the powers that be. > > The farm is actually a big John Deere user but there is a story > doing the rounds that the service from JD was not quite up to scratch so > they went out and bought the 2 case combines just to show them a thing or > two. JD is now giving excellent service again :-) (You never heard that > from me) > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From glenn.karch at verizon.net Thu Jan 18 15:54:40 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:54:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Trying to get hold of Glenn Karch References: <200701182329843.SM00968@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <007201c73b5c$05fd60f0$1bf8123f@D8LJ7K91> Jerry, Glenn Karch here. Jerry, I just sent you an email. Did it get there? Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Trying to get hold of Glenn Karch > Hi All, > Is anyone in contact with Glenn Karch? > > He won one of my auction items and I have sent him 2 eMails but > have not had a reply. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 18 17:26:25 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:26:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY> I am working on getting a coolant tank built for my 5 HP Stover and I will be using one of the early Stover Cast Iron Stands: See the picture below: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverTankStand1.jpg By using this stand my tank will be up higher than it normally would be if it was mounted at the same level as the engine. My question is how high can you reasonably expect the thermo-syphon effect to push the water up to the top of the tank? I need to know this so I can properly locate my inlet fitting for the intake of water at the top. Thanks, Paul From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jan 18 18:06:01 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:06:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question I am working on getting a coolant tank built for my 5 HP Stover and I will be using one of the early Stover Cast Iron Stands: See the picture below: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverTankStand1.jpg By using this stand my tank will be up higher than it normally would be if it was mounted at the same level as the engine. My question is how high can you reasonably expect the thermo-syphon effect to push the water up to the top of the tank? I need to know this so I can properly locate my inlet fitting for the intake of water at the top. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Jan 18 18:10:46 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:10:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: <20070118.181046.1972.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Paul. Hot water will continue to rise until there is no more up. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:26:25 -0600 "Paul Maples" writes: > I am working on getting a coolant tank built for my 5 HP Stover and I > will be using one of the early Stover Cast Iron Stands: See the > picture below: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverTankStand1.jpg > > By using this stand my tank will be up higher than it normally would > be if it was mounted at the same level as the engine. My question is > how high can you reasonably expect the thermo-syphon effect to push > the water up to the top of the tank? I need to know this so I can > properly locate my inlet fitting for the intake of water at the > top. > > Thanks, > > Paul From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Jan 18 18:12:24 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:12:24 EST Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: Hi Paul, Based on lab experiments with thermo-siphoning, I don't think you need to worry about being too high. Do keep in mind that your return line to the engine should be a couple inches above the bottom of your tank if you want the tank to catch sediment and the line leading from the engine to the top of the tank must always remain under the surface of the water in the tank. So long as you don't have any air pockets in the system, it will thermo-siphon to a tank as in your picture or would thermo-siphon to a tank many feet higher. You see, the return water is slightly cooler and more dense which means it can push the warmer water up. Since if you have the tank higher, both the lines are longer and the difference in balance is determined by the temperature differential. The water can move easily with only a small difference in density. The top line must be below the water surface for the system to balance and the volume of water in the cooling tank that is above the top pipe is how much can evaporate before you need refill the cooling tank. In the lab experiments we used glass containers and clear tubing to carry the water. We would get it started and running and then add a drop or two of dye to the water so we could see it move through the tubes. What really surprised us was how fast the water would move through the tubes with only a small temperature difference. Thermo-siphoning can work very well in moving heat from the engine. Ron In a message dated 1/18/2007 7:46:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: I am working on getting a coolant tank built for my 5 HP Stover and I will be using one of the early Stover Cast Iron Stands: See the picture below: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverTankStand1.jpg By using this stand my tank will be up higher than it normally would be if it was mounted at the same level as the engine. My question is how high can you reasonably expect the thermo-syphon effect to push the water up to the top of the tank? I need to know this so I can properly locate my inlet fitting for the intake of water at the top. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 18 18:23:33 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:23:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY> <000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in > height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jan 18 20:21:37 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:21:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: In-Reply-To: <002401c73b5b$ea460ab0$4200a8c0@sheeba> References: <002401c73b5b$ea460ab0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <45B04751.2080703@telenet.net> I didn't bother altering the rest. Not really worried about it myself. No need to update since I like 1.5 and don't use support anyway. Plus I'm not big on the current version. Bill Dickerson wrote: > If I have a message from you, I have your address.......... And so would a > spammer who got into my computer. (but they ain't gonna) > > You'll need to change a bit more.......... > Oh - you need to update your software. As I recall, 1.5 will not be > supported in a month or two. > > -0500 > Message-ID: <45B00148.40504 at telenet.net> > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:22:48 -0500 > From: "Steve W." > User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:23 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: > > No need to forge the Email address. I am talking about having items like > your full name, address, home and cell phone in a message posted online. > It doesn't take much more info for a person to become an identity theft > victim. > Also it is easy to alter an address so that a person replying to you > directly only needs to change one item in your address. Yes it means they > have to take that step but it also means that a spammer gets a junk address. > > Take a look at this reply and you will see that I changed the reply to > address. > > Jerry Evans wrote: >> At 07:00 PM 18/01/2007, you wrote: >>> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:48:56 -0500 >>> From: "Steve W." >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> >>> >>> Oh, one other thing NEVER,NEVER, NEVER..... put your entire address >>> phone and contact info in ANY EMAIL. >> I do not know how you can do this - your eMail programme >> automatically puts you address in as the sender - if you forge this >> address how will people reply to you? >> >> One thing that would help a bit is if people would clean up >> all the old headers and addresses when forwarding jokes. I often get >> forwarded mail with pages of previous addresses on them. Also, when >> forwarding to a list of recipients, please put their addresses in the >> BCC. field and then they do not get distributed to all and sundry. >> >> >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Tel. (016) 365-5787 >> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 >> Cell: 083 293 7191 >> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. >> www.oldengine.org/members/evans >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jan 18 20:35:46 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:35:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY><000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in >> height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 18 23:36:22 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:36:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY><000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY> <000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001601c73b9c$856145b0$ac59693a@Edd> Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and the water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows over the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these engines will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W has the top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing as the Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it heats up. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? > Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "R & M Ingold" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> >> >>> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in >>> height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jan 19 00:01:49 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:01:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY><000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY><000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001601c73b9c$856145b0$ac59693a@Edd> Message-ID: <015401c73ba0$15e62940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> So? Ok, have it your way. I aint here for an argument! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and > the water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows > over the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these > engines will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W > has the top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing > as the Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it > heats up. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? >> Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Maples" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> >> >>> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>> >>> >>>> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in >>>> height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. >>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Jan 19 00:50:58 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:50:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY><000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY><000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><001601c73b9c$856145b0$ac59693a@Edd> <015401c73ba0$15e62940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001201c73ba6$f6f48b60$3fc931cb@ogborneuah38i3> I'm frightened to make a comment! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > So? Ok, have it your way. I aint here for an argument! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edd Payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and >> the water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows >> over the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these >> engines will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W >> has the top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing >> as the Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it >> heats up. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "R & M Ingold" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> >> >>> If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? >>> Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Paul Maples" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>> >>> >>>> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>>> >>>> >>>>> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference >>>>> in height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. >>>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Jan 19 02:07:45 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:07:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY><000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY><000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><001601c73b9c$856145b0$ac59693a@Edd><015401c73ba0$15e62940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001201c73ba6$f6f48b60$3fc931cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002c01c73bb1$ab286570$ac59693a@Edd> WHY.I only entered the thread with a fact that I know as I have these engines and was trying to add what my experience has shown just like the others that have commented.Reg why do you think I was looking for an argument or even trying to start one. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > I'm frightened to make a comment! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 4:01 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> So? Ok, have it your way. I aint here for an argument! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Edd Payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> >> >>> Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and >>> the water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows >>> over the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these >>> engines will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover >>> W has the top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same >>> thing as the Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe >>> as it heats up. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>> >>> >>>> If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? >>>> Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. >>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Paul Maples" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>>> >>>> >>>>> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference >>>>>> in height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. >>>>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Fri Jan 19 03:53:45 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 3:53:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: <1576242077.1169207625927.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> ---- Edd Payne wrote: > Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and the > water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows over > the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these engines > will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W has the > top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing as the > Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it heats up. > EDD PAYNE Your engine isn't thermo-syphon, I would say it's percolating cooling, don't know if that's the correct term. Thermo-syphon has to have everything under water to work. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Fri Jan 19 04:29:06 2007 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:29:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <001601c73b9c$856145b0$ac59693a@Edd> Message-ID: I've never paid that much attention to those, I thought they had a water pump but still i'm having a hard time seeing how that worked with the water line below the port. I'm thinking I might do a little experiment with this, but I seen a tractor with I thermo-siphon setup over heat from the water line falling below the top port on the radiator. The water that was in the engine stayed level with the radiator, but the water in the engine boiled off instead of flowing up and out the top port on the radiator. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and the > water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows over > the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these engines > will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W has the > top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing as the > Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it heats up. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > > > If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? > > Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Maples" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > > > > >> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "R & M Ingold" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > >> > >> > >>> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in > >>> height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. > >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. > >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 19 05:11:21 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:11:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B0C379.1080703@imc-group.com> I think JB's coining of the term percolating cooling is an excellent description. These Moguls have the screen cooler mounted high above the engine so that the contents of the water in the pan can all drain and fill the block and head of the engine. There is no circulation of the waterjacket water as the engine heats up, until it reaches 212? F. Only when the water starts to boil do you see water making it up the return line and to the distribution tube across the top of the screen cooler. You see a healthy mix of steam out of the tube as well. This is probably an ideal operating condition for our engines at shows. Since we hardly work the engines allowing them to get really hot, this style cooling system assures you get to at least 212? F. This is a vastly different cooling system than the traditional thermosiphon system. With TS as soon as there is a few degrees of differential temperature, circulation begins and the block and head temperature is never warmer than the water in the tank. With a loafing engine this leads to all kinds of water and combustions products condensing on the cylinder and head walls of the engine. A lot of times when slow running a hit and miss engines I'll eliminate the water just to assure the engine gets warm enough to run decent. The walking beam Alamo I finished last summer has a fixed volume water pump. I set up a bypass loop that allows the pump to continue working and pumping water thru the trickle down tray cooler, yet thru a valve I can independently control the flow thru the engine. When cold the water is completely off to the engine and once hot enough that I can't keep a hand on the cylinder head, I'll crack the valve open a 1/4 turn and allow a small amount of water to flow thru the head and cylinder. This has really worked out well and I think I'll add the same feature to the 8HP screen cooled Famous. It has WAY too much cooling for the work I can put on the saw blade. Running hotter would be very beneficial. Curt Holland Gastonia. NC Andrew wrote: >I've never paid that much attention to those, I thought they had a water >pump but still i'm having a hard time seeing how that worked with the >water line below the port. I'm thinking I might do a little experiment >with this, but I seen a tractor with I thermo-siphon setup over heat from >the water line falling below the top port on the radiator. The water that >was in the engine stayed level with the radiator, but the water in the >engine boiled off instead of flowing up and out the top port on the >radiator. > >>From Andrew at >tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com >engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com >b10730 at hotmail.com > >Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ >http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ > >On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > > > >>Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and the >>water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows over >>the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these engines >>will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W has the >>top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing as the >>Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it heats up. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >> >> From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 19 05:14:51 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:14:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <1576242077.1169207625927.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> References: <1576242077.1169207625927.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> Message-ID: <45B0C44B.6070604@imc-group.com> Just thought of something else related to percolating cooling. Is it a Moore engine that has a little screen cooler resting on the top of the water hopper opening? Seems like boiling water percolates up and down thru this screen cooler. Any one recall? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC jbcast at charter.net wrote: >---- Edd Payne wrote: > > >>Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and the >>water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows over >>the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these engines >>will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover W has the >>top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same thing as the >>Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe as it heats up. >>EDD PAYNE >> >> >Your engine isn't thermo-syphon, I would say it's percolating cooling, don't know if that's the correct term. Thermo-syphon has to have everything under water to work. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jan 19 06:59:40 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:59:40 EST Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: In a message dated 1/19/2007 8:16:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: This has really worked out well and I think I'll add the same feature to the 8HP screen cooled Famous. Curt, If you figure out a simple way to do this to the Famous with all the threaded pipe, let me know and I will probably do it to my 6hp. Thanks Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 18 18:22:44 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:22:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <20070118.181046.1972.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <010101c73b70$b5195260$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Ron, this helps a lot. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > Hi Paul. > Hot water will continue to rise until there is no more up. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:26:25 -0600 "Paul Maples" > writes: >> I am working on getting a coolant tank built for my 5 HP Stover and I >> will be using one of the early Stover Cast Iron Stands: See the >> picture below: >> From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 19 08:11:36 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:11:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B0EDB8.8000109@imc-group.com> Tom, You are spot on, it won't be easy! The Alamo plumbing job took a full 8 hours to complete. I was damned sick of threading pipe by hand by the end! Curt Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >Curt, > >If you figure out a simple way to do this to the Famous with all the threaded >pipe, let me know and I will probably do it to my 6hp. > >Thanks > > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >Germoamer at aol.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 18 18:35:47 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:35:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: Message-ID: <010b01c73b72$87482030$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Ron, this is an excellent description of the process and even a dumb Arky like me can understand this. Reading your description it makes me think this would be a nice science project sometime since I am still raising kids at 62. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > Hi Paul, > Based on lab experiments with thermo-siphoning, I don't think you need to > worry about being too high. Do keep in mind that your return line to the > engine should be a couple inches above the bottom of your tank if you want > the > tank to catch sediment and the line leading from the engine to the top of > the > tank must always remain under the surface of the water in the tank. So > long as From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 19 11:57:40 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:57:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Trying to get hold of Glenn Karch In-Reply-To: <200701191700.l0JH06SH031569@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200701192201140.SM01088@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 19/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:54:40 -0600 >From: "Glenn Karch" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Trying to get hold of Glenn Karch >Jerry, >Glenn Karch here. Jerry, I just sent you an email. Did it get there? >Glenn Karch >Hercules Historian >Haubstadt, Indiana, USA Hi Glenn, Nothing here yet but I've solved the problem - directly related to my earlier post about spam. Some time ago I was getting a lot of Spam from addresses at <@verizon.net> and set up a rule to delete all mail from that provider (I did not know anyone with that address at the time.) I've removed this rule and set up another to put you on my "whitelist" which means it will get through. Sometimes these things happen - blame the filthy spammers . If you would please send it again to the following address and put your name "Glenn Karch" as the subject (without the quotes) and nothing else in the subject line - then it will get to my inbox. Also use your email address as listed on this SEL post. I REALLY HATE SPAMMERS !!! A year or so back someone posted a link to the lists that showed a video of how Muslims punished an informer. it was titled "Impalement" Does anyone remember it? It was brutal, uncivilized, cruel and disgusting but I would not mind if it was applied to a Spammer. Apologies if this offends anyone but that's how I feel about this scum. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 19 10:05:57 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:05:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <200701191700.l0JH06SH031569@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119195530.00acbd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 19/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:22:48 -0500 >From: "Steve W." >Subject: Re: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Take a look at this reply and you will see that I changed the reply to >address. Hi Steve, I reread your post and saw that you mentioned "full name, address, home and cell phone ". I thought you were referring to email address as the discussion was about spammers and they only use eMail. My apologies. I cannot see the headers of your reply because that is all stripped and replaced with the SEL's information by the time it reaches me (as it should be). Anyway most spammers use spiders to trawl the internet and visit websites to strip email addresses (anything with the "@" in the right place) - I'm NOT saying they do not get it from eMail but I think that your normal correspondence with friends and business contacts is fairly safe. Forums, lists and news groups are very dangerous in this regard - consider the SEL archive as an example - a spider would pick up all our addresses there very quickly - if it was up to date . I also have positive proof that they can hack your email service provider and strip eMail addresses from there. My main email address is (I've been connected there since late 1991 - a very early email user) (the addy I use on this list forwards all mail to this one). My mailbox is therefore known as "jerrye" My service provider is "cyberserv.co.za" but their email server has an identifying name (as all networked computers do). The name of this mail server (computer) is "Tahiti" (not quite but close) and the internet email address of this computer is mail.cyberserv.co.za. (of course it also has an Internet protocol number (IP) something like <093:27:6:1> About 3 years ago I started getting spam addressed to as well as spam addressed to . They all got through to my mailbox. These could only have been hacked from my providers site because prior to that I had no idea that those addresses could be used - I was totally unaware that they even existed so there was no way I could have posted them anywhere - yet I suddenly started getting spam to them. For those of you who are probably thinking along the lines of " this guy is crazy - look at all the information he is posting to this list". My Service provider (as many do) allows me to set my own "filtering" rules on the mail server and any mail using the information above is automatically deleted before I even log on. As regards my real eMail address (also mentioned above) - it is already on so many spam lists that it would be crazy to think that posting it one more time will make a difference - I'm quite proud of the fact that I've had this address for about 18 years so there are certain things I've just got to learn to live with. How many of you have been on email for 18 years? I have nearly 300 of my own filtering rules set up on the server (over and above the fact that the service provider also uses pretty sophisticated spam filtering software) and any mail that contains words such as "penis", "viagra", "cialis", "mortgage" (we do not use that word in South Africa - it's called a Bond here) and many more are automatically deleted. I update these rules weekly. In spite of this I still receive at least 100 spams a day and for some reason about 300 on Saturdays - probably because that is when all those poor souls with infected computers are at home and logged on. These are the mails blocked by my providers software and are only stored on his computer so that I can check them to see if no "real" mail has been stopped by mistake. I delete these every evening - takes about 3 minutes of my time and telephone costs. Apologies for the long rant - it's just that "Spam" is one of my "Pet Hates" - second only to our local telephone service provider !! Keep well guys. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 19 12:08:00 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:08:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <200701191700.l0JH06SH031569@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119220630.00abce00@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 19/01/2007, you wrote: >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >I'm frightened to make a comment! Ha Ha Ha - Good on you Peter. Probably better that way. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Jan 19 12:48:30 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:48:30 EST Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: Hi Curt, If you don't want to have to monitor the temperature by hand, you might place an automobile thermostat in the top line. I did this with a little Kubota L175 2 cylinder diesel which is thermo-syphon cooling using a fan and radiator but no water pump. When I bought it I looked for any way that engine could ever warm up when it wasn't working hard. I found none. So, I found an automobile 180?F thermostat that I could put inside the top radiator hose, holding it between two clamps. I did drill a small hole in the thermostat frame and lined it up to allow any air bubbles to escape easily. It worked well as the engine would warm up nicely in winter weather and it did not overheat in summer when pulling a bush hog. Regards, Ron In a message dated 1/19/2007 7:16:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: The walking beam Alamo I finished last summer has a fixed volume water pump. I set up a bypass loop that allows the pump to continue working and pumping water thru the trickle down tray cooler, yet thru a valve I can independently control the flow thru the engine. When cold the water is completely off to the engine and once hot enough that I can't keep a hand on the cylinder head, I'll crack the valve open a 1/4 turn and allow a small amount of water to flow thru the head and cylinder. This has really worked out well and I think I'll add the same feature to the 8HP screen cooled Famous. It has WAY too much cooling for the work I can put on the saw blade. Running hotter would be very beneficial. Curt Holland Gastonia. NC From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 19 12:56:56 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:56:56 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T.Report back on the Battery Fix (with a big grin) Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119222247.00acbd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Thanks for all the replies and suggestions to last weeks (Off Topic) post re how to revive an old battery. This thread went much further and had more replies than I normally get for "On Topic" stuff. I promised an update so here it is. For all those who suggested buying expensive (or not so expensive) things like special chargers or other equipment and even buying a new battery - I think you missed the point or did not read the original mail so I'll recap. I had a 2 year old battery in one of my vehicles that was poked because I seldom use it . I had already ordered another battery from a friend who imports batteries but his shipment was only due in 2 weeks. I rarely use this vehicle but had a need to do so at this time and did not want to be hassled with switching batteries from other vehicles. I was wondering if there was something that I could do to THAT battery to give it about another 2 weeks life. The reason for ordering from my friend was threefold: 1) His imported batteries are better than our locally manufactured ones. They normally last longer. Our local batteries have a 1 year guarantee and last exactly 366 days. 2) I prefer to support friends. 3) He gives me a good discount . I got many constructive suggestions for which I am very thankful but I never tried any of them because the problem was resolved by the vehicle itself. The diesel fuel pump "packed up" so I could not use it anyway. (this is where the "Big Grin" comes in). I still have the battery (new one arrives this week) and out of interest will follow some of the suggestions I got. It seems like a good idea to knock it on the paving a bit and then drain and flush the thing (naked in the moonlight). I'll be doing this as an experiment to see if I can get a bit more life out of it - not to save on the cost of replacing it. Cheers for now and thanks for all the suggestions (good and bad) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 19 12:31:41 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:31:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY><000601c73b6e$5fd05a80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <010601c73b70$d201d5a0$240110ac@FAMILY> <000a01c73b83$51b528d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: G'day Reg, My 7 hp Crossley (aka Fat Bastard) is setup for thermo-syphon cooling. A couple of years ago I had it at Portland and it had a fairly large water jacket leak. I learned to my surprise that it would function on "percolation cooling" as others mentioned. There was steady steam out of the uncovered top cooling pipe with a blurp of water from time to time. I decided that what I actually had was "hopper cooling" with a VERY strange hopper geometry. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? > Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > > > So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "R & M Ingold" > > > >> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference in > >> height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. From blcksmth at wcnet.org Fri Jan 19 13:32:07 2007 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:32:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00d001c73b68$d64da9c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <006e01c73c11$47bfc810$3364a8c0@Eagle> As long as all of the inlet and outlet pipes are below the surface of the water in the cooling tank and there is no trapped air in the system - thermal siphoning should occur. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:26 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question I am working on getting a coolant tank built for my 5 HP Stover and I will be using one of the early Stover Cast Iron Stands: See the picture below: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverTankStand1.jpg By using this stand my tank will be up higher than it normally would be if it was mounted at the same level as the engine. My question is how high can you reasonably expect the thermo-syphon effect to push the water up to the top of the tank? I need to know this so I can properly locate my inlet fitting for the intake of water at the top. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jan 19 14:14:29 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:14:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119195530.00acbd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119195530.00acbd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: > I have nearly 300 of my own filtering rules set up on the > server (over and above the fact that the service provider also uses > pretty sophisticated spam filtering software) and any mail that > contains words such as "penis", "viagra", "cialis", "mortgage" (we do > not use that word in South Africa - it's called a Bond here) and many > more are automatically deleted. I guess you didn't get a copy of your own message back from the List, then. And won't see this reply to it, either. :-) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jan 19 14:23:05 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:23:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1e30e0350db8dde9e370ab3ab263dfd7@chartertn.net> On the thermosiphon cooling system for Dolly the Listeroid I chose to manually control the coolant flow with a gate valve that I put in the BOTTOM line. My reasoning for that was that if I forgot to open the valve, the water in the head passages would boil, but the steam bubbles would percolate up the top line to the cooling tank. As long as the water level in the tank was above the opening of the top line, the water jacket would stay full of water. I made sure the line always slopes upward and could not have a kink to trap rising bubbles. This mode of operation is equivalent to hopper cooling. If a valve (or stuck thermostat) in the top line isn't opened, expanding steam in the head will push the water down and out the bottom line, leaving the water jacket full of steam. The engine will then overheat badly. I made a fitting with a closed off piece of copper tubing soldered into a hole drilled in a pipe plug to insert a cooking thermometer where the top line comes out of the head so I could monitor the temperature. I like to keep it at 200?F or so. It responds very slowly to changes in load. I don't feel a need for an automated system. John On Jan 19, 2007, at 3:48 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Curt, > If you don't want to have to monitor the temperature by hand, you might > place an automobile thermostat in the top line. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 19 23:06:04 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:06:04 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <002c01c73bb1$ab286570$ac59693a@Edd> Message-ID: <5irdmr$3gs87j@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony12.iinet.net.au> Well we have all been informed Edd! I hope you have learned from your inexperience (something this list is so good as correcting) I now know that my tank cooled Corbett Williams has a thermo siphon system, that is until the water level drops .001 below the pipe then it's a percolating system ! Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Friday, 19 January 2007 7:08 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question WHY.I only entered the thread with a fact that I know as I have these engines and was trying to add what my experience has shown just like the others that have commented.Reg why do you think I was looking for an argument or even trying to start one. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > I'm frightened to make a comment! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 4:01 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> So? Ok, have it your way. I aint here for an argument! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Edd Payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> >> >>> Got to contest this Reg.The IHC screen cooled Moguls thermo siphon and >>> the water is well below the outlet.The water expands with heat and flows >>> over the screen.There is no pump.It works great.Anyone with one of these >>> engines will tell you this.Also the water tank on my tank cooled Stover >>> W has the top water outlet above the top water level.It does the same >>> thing as the Mogul and you can see the water flowing out of the top pipe >>> as it heats up. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>> >>> >>>> If ya aint got a pump, how can it "Circulate"? >>>> Gotta have water 'above' the curcuit. >>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Paul Maples" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:23 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>>> >>>> >>>>> So Reg the top pipe has to be below the water level, right? >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:06 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> As long as the top pipe is below the water,and there is a difference >>>>>> in height of inlets and outlets, it will work ok. >>>>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Jan 20 01:43:49 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:43:49 +0800 Subject: [SEL] fuel supply for engine Message-ID: <000801c73c77$8043f2e0$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Any comments welcome..... I am working on a hot tube engine and the fuel supply is worrying me . I am making an inspirator to supply air to the vapour chamber .The inspirator will have a regulated needle valve fuel inlet into it .From there the normal course of events takes place ,i.e. through the vapour valve and into the combustion chamber.My question is ...getting the fuel to the inspirator.If I have a gravity feed then in the non firing period I will or could flood the fuel vapour chamber.A suggestion has been made that i use a low level fuel tank with non return valve in the line that will only draw fuel as required by the hit and miss valve system. Another idea would be a fuel pump delivering as required.As I have no idea of the make of this engine and nothing to copy from it is all ''make up'' Any suggestions would be most welcome. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Jan 20 01:57:55 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:57:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119195530.00acbd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070119195530.00acbd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <45B1E7A3.3020304@steamengine.com.au> Jerry Evans wrote: > I also have positive proof that they can hack your email > service provider and strip eMail addresses from there. My main email > address is (I've been connected there since > late 1991 - a very early email user) (the addy I use on this list > forwards all mail to this one). My mailbox is therefore known as > "jerrye" My service provider is "cyberserv.co.za" but their email > server has an identifying name (as all networked computers do). The > name of this mail server (computer) is "Tahiti" (not quite but close) > and the internet email address of this computer is > mail.cyberserv.co.za. (of course it also has an Internet protocol > number (IP) something like <093:27:6:1> > About 3 years ago I started getting spam addressed to > as well as spam addressed to > . They all got through to my mailbox. > > These could only have been hacked from my providers site > because prior to that I had no idea that those addresses could be used > - I was totally unaware that they even existed so there was no way I > could have posted them anywhere - yet I suddenly started getting spam > to them. > Hi Jerry (and List), They would have found those internal addresses by checking the MX records for your main address. They're unlikely to have hacked your server - you can see them with the name server lookup tool 'nslookup' - here is what I got for cyberserv.co.za # nslookup > set type=MX > cyberserv.co.za Server: 203.12.35.50 Address: 203.12.35.50#53 Non-authoritative answer: cyberserv.co.za mail exchanger = 10 taita.cyberserv.co.za. Authoritative answers can be found from: cyberserv.co.za nameserver = taita.cyberserv.co.za. cyberserv.co.za nameserver = tahiti.cyberserv.co.za. > # MX are "Mail eXchanger" - it is how email actually finds its way from server to server - kinda like a street directory for the postman. All this information is public. Spammers do this not because they want to get you three copies of everything, but because there are two kinds of spammer - there are address harvesters and spam transmitters. The harvesters get paid for each valid unique address they provide to the transmitters - so they cheat (after all they're pond scum) and provide several valid addresses that all point at you. Regards Paul From jbcast at charter.net Sat Jan 20 03:40:30 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 3:40:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question Message-ID: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> ---- Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring wrote: > Well we have all been informed Edd! I hope you have learned from your > inexperience (something this list is so good as correcting) I now know that > my tank cooled Corbett Williams has a thermo siphon system, that is until > the water level drops .001 below the pipe then it's a percolating system ! > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > Have you ever syphoned water from a container? Hold the hose .001 above the water level and see how much you can syphon. If everything isn't under water it's not a syphon. Percolating is a term I used because I don't know the correct one, but I know what it isn't. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Jan 20 04:04:46 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:04:46 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> Message-ID: <002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> I think percolate was a bloody good description of what happens . Percolate....intrans [lit and fig] To filter,ooze,drip gradually through. You got it JB!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > ---- Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring wrote: >> Well we have all been informed Edd! I hope you have learned from your >> inexperience (something this list is so good as correcting) I now know >> that >> my tank cooled Corbett Williams has a thermo siphon system, that is until >> the water level drops .001 below the pipe then it's a percolating system >> ! >> Ray Freeman >> Perth WA >> > Have you ever syphoned water from a container? Hold the hose .001 above > the water level and see how much you can syphon. If everything isn't under > water it's not a syphon. Percolating is a term I used because I don't know > the correct one, but I know what it isn't. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 20 06:15:48 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:15:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gold on rod Message-ID: "Hey kids, what time is it?" Showin' my age there...anyway after a big screwup, I was forced to melt the babbitt off the rod. The remains after a light brushing were interesting. Just wondering if this was some sort of tinning that Henry used on this Fordson? Any thoughts? This is turning out to be a fun one!! Rods are marked "Made in England". Evidence shows that #3 piston and rod tried to escape and had to be replaced. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2716528920039077051WGbuyX Live is Good..always lookin' for a New Way Mixer...may have to take Arnie and Jerry up on the Novo tag. Thought I found it with the boss' vacuum cleaner, but not to be...found a rock. "Stayin' warm in the Big Sky, Rick PS: Note to self..take the boss' vacuum cleaner to repair shop ASAP. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 20 06:03:42 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:03:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] R&V engine show 2007 Message-ID: As requested... Who knows, one day Pete may rejoin the list and won't need legions of able minions to do his bidding (or posting)... 8-)) See ya, Arnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:53:17 +1100 From: Peter Lowe To: Arnie Fero Subject: R&V engine show 2007 Hi Arnie Can you please post this to the ATIS list please. Pete Hi all One to add to your show register for this year and especially if your an R&V engine owner. The following was sent to the R&V Register, see the attached PDF file, this will also be placed on the R&V Web Site for download by ATIS members. This is a chance for you all to come together and meet other R&V owners, source parts and share information. I will have some input if the club needs help in promoting R&V engines and getting you guys in contact with them. I know it is a long way off but time goes fast if you do nothing. Ed Allandar wrote: September 21-23, 2007 at Lupfer's grove, Shermans Dale, PA. Which is about 20 minutes west of Harrisburg (our State capital). This will be the PCOIC's 14th annual show, last year we had about 150 tractors and 70 engines, we're still growing. We do allow engine folks to camp at their displays, and we try to be as accommodating as possible. Contacts are: Ed Allandar 717-444-7664 bearclaw at pa.net or Dale Rudy 717-834-5429 or PCOIC, PO Box 31, Duncannon, PA, 17020-0031 Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Jan 20 07:12:52 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:12:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <45B1E7A3.3020304@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <003401c73ca5$76e92610$0100a8c0@l2800> Paul - I respectfully disagree - pond scum actually serves a useful purpose in the natural order of the food chain. Your comment actually brings pond scum down to their level, it's much more important than that. Bill > Hi Jerry (and List), They would have found those internal addresses by checking the MX records for your main address. They're unlikely to have hacked your server - you can see them with the name server lookup tool 'nslookup' - here is what I got for cyberserv.co.za # nslookup > set type=MX > cyberserv.co.za Server: 203.12.35.50 Address: 203.12.35.50#53 Non-authoritative answer: cyberserv.co.za mail exchanger = 10 taita.cyberserv.co.za. Authoritative answers can be found from: cyberserv.co.za nameserver = taita.cyberserv.co.za. cyberserv.co.za nameserver = tahiti.cyberserv.co.za. > # MX are "Mail eXchanger" - it is how email actually finds its way from server to server - kinda like a street directory for the postman. All this information is public. Spammers do this not because they want to get you three copies of everything, but because there are two kinds of spammer - there are address harvesters and spam transmitters. The harvesters get paid for each valid unique address they provide to the transmitters - so they cheat (after all they're pond scum) and provide several valid addresses that all point at you. Regards Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Jan 20 07:44:25 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:44:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gold on rod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070120103955.030a3840@pop3.wcoil.com> I've seen golden or bronze-brass colors like that after the use of brass or bronze wire brushes or wheels. Some tins will leave a golden flushed color like that too. Don't know why just know I've seen it before. Have a Great Weekend! Mark At 09:15 AM 1/20/07, you wrote: > "Hey kids, what time is it?" > > Showin' my age there...anyway after a big screwup, I was forced to melt >the babbitt off the rod. The remains after a light brushing were >interesting. Just wondering if this was some sort of tinning that Henry >used on this Fordson? > > Any thoughts? This is turning out to be a fun one!! Rods are marked >"Made in England". Evidence shows that #3 piston and rod tried to escape >and had to be replaced. > >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2716528920039077051WGbuyX > >Live is Good..always lookin' for a New Way Mixer...may have to take Arnie >and Jerry up on the Novo tag. Thought I found it with the boss' vacuum >cleaner, but not to be...found a rock. > >"Stayin' warm in the Big Sky, >Rick >PS: Note to self..take the boss' vacuum cleaner to repair shop ASAP. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 Verizon Cell #419.516.2996 Mark #330.475.4450 Christine From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Jan 20 07:50:40 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:50:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <003401c73ca5$76e92610$0100a8c0@l2800> References: <45B1E7A3.3020304@steamengine.com.au> <003401c73ca5$76e92610$0100a8c0@l2800> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070120104540.030a1400@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Bill, Even the bacteria in a septic tank is way higher on the food chain then spammers. Maybe spammers could be better described as the crud that bacteria eats to keep us safe. Sure hope the bacteria don't get a sour belly after eating a spammer, poor bacteria having to eat something that repulsive. VBG! :-) Mark At 10:12 AM 1/20/07, you wrote: >Paul - I respectfully disagree - pond scum actually serves a useful purpose >in the natural order of the food chain. >Your comment actually brings pond scum down to their level, it's much more >important than that. > >Bill Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 20 08:02:02 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:02:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> <002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Thermosyphoning and Heat Soak Effects by Paul Rollins Q: On some cars the electric cooling fan continues to run on even after the engine is shut off. What's the point? If the engine isn't running, the water pump isn't circulating coolant, so the fan will only lower the temperature of coolant in the radiator and won't affect engine temperature. A: This is not correct. It is indeed beneficial to have the fan continue to run after the engine is turned off. Many early automobiles did not have water pumps. They relied upon the process of thermosyphoning, where the hot coolant in the engine, being less dense than the cooler fluid in the radiator, rises to the outlet and flows into the radiator. As the coolant in the radiator gives up heat to the air and cools, it moves downward and back into the engine. This cycle continues as long as there is a temperature differential between the radiator and engine (and the thermostat is open), whether the engine is running or not. Technically, even contemporary engine cooling systems are pump-assisted thermosyphon systems. The other phenomenon that is involved is heat soak. This occurs because there is a temperature differential (really a gradient) between the engine metal that is not in close contact with the coolant and that which is farther away. When the engine is off and there is not a high airflow through the radiator, the thermosyphon cooling effect is low. This allows heat from these remote areas to flow to areas that are much cooler when the engine is running, resulting in fuel percolation, evaporation, flooding, and coolant boiling. To take advantage of thermosyphoning and reduce heat soak effects, many modern cars use fans that run after engine shutdown. I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to be above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >I think percolate was a bloody good description of what happens . >Percolate....intrans [lit and fig] To filter,ooze,drip gradually through. >You got it JB!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:40 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > > >> ---- Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring wrote: >>> Well we have all been informed Edd! I hope you have learned from your >>> inexperience (something this list is so good as correcting) I now know >>> that >>> my tank cooled Corbett Williams has a thermo siphon system, that is >>> until >>> the water level drops .001 below the pipe then it's a percolating system >>> ! >>> Ray Freeman >>> Perth WA >>> >> Have you ever syphoned water from a container? Hold the hose .001 above >> the water level and see how much you can syphon. If everything isn't >> under water it's not a syphon. Percolating is a term I used because I >> don't know the correct one, but I know what it isn't. >> J.B. Castagnos >> Belle Rose, LA >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.0/639 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 > From edurand at cybertron.com Sat Jan 20 08:27:20 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:27:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070120104540.030a1400@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Mark: I've spent considerable time researching the subject and found that the liquid in the septic tank is composed of a mixture, mostly spammers. The upper layer of sludge is composed mostly of lawyers and the very bottom layer is exclusively politicians. Pond scum is much too high on the chain to have any spammer content. That is reserved for used car salesmen and their ilk. This subject is beginning to stink! Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 09:51 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Spam O.T. > > > Hi Bill, > Even the bacteria in a septic tank is way > higher on the food chain then > spammers. Maybe spammers could be better > described as the crud that > bacteria eats to keep us safe. Sure hope the > bacteria don't get a sour > belly after eating a spammer, poor bacteria > having to eat something that > repulsive. > VBG! :-) Mark > > > At 10:12 AM 1/20/07, you wrote: > >Paul - I respectfully disagree - pond scum > actually serves a useful purpose > >in the natural order of the food chain. > >Your comment actually brings pond scum down to > their level, it's much more > >important than that. > > > >Bill From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Jan 20 10:31:37 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:31:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> <002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: > I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to > be above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam bubbles still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the bottom, or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs to be asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid than the other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other line, so it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is heated. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jan 20 10:31:57 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:31:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <200701201700.l0KH09Vm002063@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070120201901.00b10b30@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 20/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 8 >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:14:29 -0500 >From: John Culp > > > I have nearly 300 of my own filtering rules set up on the > > server (over and above the fact that the service provider also uses > > pretty sophisticated spam filtering software) and any mail that > > contains words such as "penis", "viagra", "cialis", "mortgage" (we do > > not use that word in South Africa - it's called a Bond here) and many > > more are automatically deleted. > >I guess you didn't get a copy of your own message back from the List, >then. And won't see this reply to it, either. :-) > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA Sharp John, very sharp, That's the joy of being able to set your own rules. I have a "higher rated" rule that puts the SEL mail (using the "From" field) into my "Inbox", or, as it did this time because of the offending words it did not delete the mail but put it into a "temporary" box for me to check first. So don't worry, if you guys start advertising "penis enlargement" potions (as Mark did - grin) or suchlike I will still get it provided it comes from the SEL address. The same will happen with this message. :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jan 20 10:46:52 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:46:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. In-Reply-To: <200701201700.l0KH09Vm002063@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070120203330.03017e38@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 20/01/2007, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:57:55 +1100 >From: Paul Pavlinovich >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Spam O.T. > >Jerry Evans wrote: > > I also have positive proof that they can hack your email > > service provider and strip eMail addresses > > >Hi Jerry (and List), >They would have found those internal addresses by checking the MX >records for your main address. They're unlikely to have hacked your >server - you can see them with the name server lookup tool 'nslookup' - >here is what I got for cyberserv.co.za > >Regards >Paul Hi Paul, Thanks for the explanation - this old brain stops short of all that technical stuff - remembering which direction to crank an engine is hard enough :-) My point was that they managed to get addresses I never even knew existed and they must have come from my mail provider. Wether they did it by "hacking" or other means, they still did it and they did it without permission! I agree about them being pond scum - or lower as other replies have suggested. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 20 11:07:47 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:07:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07><002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <006f01c73cc6$45e64ae0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> I have been trying to find a diagram of cooling system of an engine that showed the direction fo the flow of coolant from the engine through the radiator and back to the engine (heat source). Which way did that show the water to be flowing, from the bottom of the engine into the radiator or, from the top of the engine into the radiator? My then new 1950 Farmall "C" accidently developed a small radiator leak but still cooled ok as long as it didn't loose all it's water.. It didn't have a water pump but I could see the water flowing into the top tank when I refilled it periodically. One issue thought to be a problem on car engines was the coolant flow cooling the block before the heads. The LT-1 Chevy engine (among others) reversed that flow pattern but the design didn't last long and is now back the way it was before as in the LS engines and others except, NASCAR engines. Anyway a flow chart would help nicely. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to be >> above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? > > Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not > mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit > for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. > > Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, > and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam > bubbles still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? > > The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the > bottom, or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs > to be asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid > than the other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other > line, so it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is > heated. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 20 11:23:51 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:23:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07><002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <007801c73cc8$8460f160$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> I got an idea. The thermosiphoning was applied to any old thing that circulated fluids by the addition of heat. Thermocycling might have been a better term for some applications. In my search for thermowhatever all I could find was solar water heating systems. They sound like what you guys are talking about. Thermocycling is what happens to your brains when cycling in the hot sun. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to be >> above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? > > Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not > mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit > for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. > > Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, > and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam > bubbles still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? > > The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the > bottom, or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs > to be asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid > than the other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other > line, so it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is > heated. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 20 11:37:06 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:37:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07><002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <007b01c73cca$5e893860$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Here is an interesting find. Thermosyphon We learnt at school that gases or liquids if heated become less dense and can rise through cooler areas by the buoyancy created. Similarly cooler liquids are denser and fall. This principal is used in thermosyphon cooling. Heat generated in the engine is picked up by the coolant and rises out of the top of the cylinder head progressing up the top hose into the radiator header. Coolant in the radiator is loosing heat and tends to fall to the bottom where it is lead back to the engine at the lowest point. Thus the system works well and responds to changes in load etc by using the laws of Physics as Scotty from Star Trek would have put it. However the system does need certain aspects to be maintained. The radiator top has to be higher than the water outlet on top of the cylinder head with as near a vertical top hose as possible, within reasonable bounds the higher the better, certainly no less than about 4 or 5" and not too far in front of the engine to keep the upward slant of the hose. If the water level drops such that the radiator and top hose are not flooded, the circulation will stop. Large pipes are needed to ensure the limited motion of the coolant isn't restricted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question >> I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to be >> above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? > > Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not > mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit > for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. > > Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, > and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam > bubbles still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? > > The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the > bottom, or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs > to be asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid > than the other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other > line, so it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is > heated. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 > > From sumron at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 20 12:37:02 2007 From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (Gilbert) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 07:37:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-Syphon , Message-ID: <002401c73cd2$bef403d0$163d6c3a@userecaf7b7be7> Hi there to all on the list, I am an avid reader of the "List" and just love to read some of these comments and do get a lot of hints with problems, etc, when helping my son working on his Engines, BUT this "Thermo - Syphon" question has gone a bit overboard to my thinking, So I just thought ( as a retired plumber) that I would just put in "What does the word "SYPHON" mean. If there is a physical air gap in the water cooling system there is "NO SYPHON" , end of story, Sorry guy's but this has gone too far. John Gilbert Merbein, Vic, Australia From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 20 13:13:04 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:13:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-Syphon , References: <002401c73cd2$bef403d0$163d6c3a@userecaf7b7be7> Message-ID: <00a201c73cd7$c659af30$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> It hasn't gone too far for me, I am getting an education. What I did find is that the demise of the thermosyphon cooling system was partly due to the advent of the cross flow radiator which made things difficult to maintain an air free syphon system. The coolant would just percolate as has been mentioned. This didn't move the coolant fast enough for modern high power applications, a true syphon came close, a water pump became mandatory. Stay tuned. I'll bet there is more to learn every day. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilbert" To: Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Thermo-Syphon , Hi there to all on the list, I am an avid reader of the "List" and just love to read some of these comments and do get a lot of hints with problems, etc, when helping my son working on his Engines, BUT this "Thermo - Syphon" question has gone a bit overboard to my thinking, So I just thought ( as a retired plumber) that I would just put in "What does the word "SYPHON" mean. If there is a physical air gap in the water cooling system there is "NO SYPHON" , end of story, Sorry guy's but this has gone too far. John Gilbert Merbein, Vic, Australia _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Jan 20 16:47:45 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:47:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004801c73cf5$c65769a0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Isn't the cooling on a tractor such as the Farmalls - the F20, thermosiphon? Or technically not? Bill Runnells, Iowa -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to > be above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam bubbles still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the bottom, or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs to be asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid than the other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other line, so it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is heated. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 20 18:24:09 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:24:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <004801c73cf5$c65769a0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <00d101c73d03$3bdc7b90$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Well, acording to this, sometimes it is and sometimes not. If you kept the coolant topped up it was, when it boiled to a low point belowthe top hose it wasn't. Skip thermosiphon Thermosiphon (alt. thermosyphon) refers to a method of passive heat exchange based on natural convection which circulates liquid in a vertical closed-loop circuit without requiring a conventional pump. Its intended purpose is to simplify the pumping of liquid and/or heat transfer, by avoiding the cost and complexity of a conventional liquid pump. Simple thermosiphon Convective movement of the liquid starts when the bottom of the loop is heated, causing it to expand and become less dense, and thus more buoyant than the cooler water in the top of the loop. Convection moves heated liquid upwards in the system as it is simultaneously replaced by cooler liquid returning by gravity. In many cases the liquid flows easily because the thermosiphon is designed to have very little hydraulic resistance. Phase change thermosiphon In other cases when the loop has more resistance to flow, the liquid may be heated beyond its boiling point, causing a phase change as the liquid evaporates to a gas (such as steam). Since the gas is much more buoyant than the hot liquid, the convective pressure is increased considerably. This is known as a heat pipe thermosiphon. It allows the cooling and heating of objects by changing the phase of a liquid inside a closed system, and operates on the principles of buoyancy (gas-phase) and gravity (liquid) to move the fluid through the system. In some situations the flow of liquid may be reduced further, or stopped, perhaps because the loop is not entirely full of liquid. In this case, then the system no longer operates on convection principles, so it is no longer a simple "thermosiphon". Heat can still be transferred in this system by the evaporation and condensation of vapor; however, the system is properly classified as a heat pipe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > Isn't the cooling on a tractor such as the Farmalls - the F20, > thermosiphon? > Or technically not? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > >> I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to >> be above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? > > Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not > mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit > for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. > > Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, > and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam > bubbles > still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? > > The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the > bottom, > or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs to be > asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid than > the > other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other line, so > it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is heated. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Jan 20 18:44:46 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:44:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <007801c73cc8$8460f160$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07><002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <007801c73cc8$8460f160$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <54e2bc49b767ab8e149919e329b360a0@chartertn.net> > Thermocycling is what happens to your brains when cycling in the hot > sun. I've done that. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From glenn.karch at verizon.net Sat Jan 20 19:07:54 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:07:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <004801c73cf5$c65769a0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <000a01c73d09$595f8260$66ae123f@D8LJ7K91> As long as there was enough water in the radiator, the F 20 was thermosiphon. If the water level got to low to thermosiphon, you'd better hunt water fast. Interestingly, the same engine in the T 20 crawler had a water pump. The F 30 Farmall had a water pump. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > Isn't the cooling on a tractor such as the Farmalls - the F20, > thermosiphon? > Or technically not? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > >> I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to >> be above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? > > Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not > mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit > for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. > > Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, > and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam > bubbles > still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? > > The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the > bottom, > or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs to be > asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid than > the > other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other line, so > it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is heated. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Jan 20 22:04:32 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:04:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question References: <004801c73cf5$c65769a0$4200a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <008101c73d22$05baa950$4483fb40@HP28276676518> Bill, I can't talk about the F20, but the John Deeres of that era were cooled by thermo-siphon. The operators manual included a nice drawing of the process. It is interesting to note that the top of the radiator is huge compared with the rest of the radiator. Adds a lot of weight that you notice when removing the radiator from a D John Deere. The top of the radiator on the D holds well over a gallon of water. The operator was cautioned to use the shutters on the front of the radiator to keep the temperature at 190* on the guage. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > Isn't the cooling on a tractor such as the Farmalls - the F20, > thermosiphon? > Or technically not? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question > >> I found this on google. Doesn't say anything about the water having to >> be above either radiator or tank opening. Could this be wrong? > > Of course it could. It's not, though, just incomplete. What they're not > mentioning, taking it as a given, is that there must be a complete circuit > for the flow to occur, just as with a DC electrical circuit. > > Let a large enough air bubble into the system to open the liquid circuit, > and thermosiphoning can't occur. Percolation driven by rising steam > bubbles > still can. Remember the old fashioned coffee percolators? > > The heat input to a thermosiphoning system doesn't have to be at the > bottom, > or the cooling at the top, for convection to occur. It just needs to be > asymmetrical so that one side of the system contains warmer liquid than > the > other. That liquid's less dense than the cool liquid in the other line, so > it will rise and be displaced by the cooler liquid, that then is heated. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 > 10:24 AM > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 11:21:53 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:21:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-syphon Question In-Reply-To: <006f01c73cc6$45e64ae0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <1733609589.1169293230899.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> <002101c73c8b$310ee950$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <004701c73cac$52dcec00$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <006f01c73cc6$45e64ae0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <6f6025160701201121v2a05e468m45c9b70cbd6e57ba@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/07, Skip Cleveland wrote: > I have been trying to find a diagram of cooling system of an engine that > showed the direction fo the flow of coolant from the engine through the > radiator and back to the engine (heat source). Which way did that show the > water to be flowing, from the bottom of the engine into the radiator or, > from the top of the engine into the radiator? Out of the top of the engine and into the top of the radiator, and in at the bottom of the engine out of the bottom of the radiator. Heat rises, Skip, so the water will fall in the radiator as it cools and rise in the engine as it heats up. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 02:11:48 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:11:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-Syphon , In-Reply-To: <00a201c73cd7$c659af30$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <002401c73cd2$bef403d0$163d6c3a@userecaf7b7be7> <00a201c73cd7$c659af30$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <6f6025160701210211iffc1d8du7be6f7b78811bf0f@mail.gmail.com> On 20/01/07, Skip Cleveland wrote: > It hasn't gone too far for me, I am getting an education. What I did find is > that the demise of the thermosyphon cooling system was partly due to the > advent of the cross flow radiator which made things difficult to maintain an > air free syphon system. The coolant would just percolate as has been > mentioned. This didn't move the coolant fast enough for modern high power > applications, a true syphon came close, a water pump became mandatory. > Stay tuned. I'll bet there is more to learn every day. > > Skip Cross-flow radiators replaced vertical tube rads when bonnet lines dropped and when water pump flow rates were high enough for it to work against nature. Header tanks that were located away from the radiator came in the 1960's. I guess the 1950's was when water pumps generally became a fixture on cars in the UK, our family had an Austin 12 van in 1958 which was purely thermo-syphon for cooling. That was a side-valve engine. The next car was a Ford Consul which was OHV and very up to date, with a water pump as well. We had three of those, one after the other, I guess my step-father liked them! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mullt at att.net Sun Jan 21 07:10:06 2007 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:10:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] First Engine Message-ID: <012120071510.28158.45B3824D0002AF4C00006DFE21604666489B04049A03@att.net> I'm about to "take the leap" and buy my first engine. It looks like it is a 2.5hp IH Model M with a Model L magneto. From the pictures it looks complete. The owner says he has not run it but that it was running when he bought it. He is asking $500. Since I am new at this, I was wondering what I should look at to make sure the engine is in reasonable condition and that I can get it running without spending big $$$. Does the asking price seem reasonable? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. Tom From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jan 21 07:43:12 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:43:12 EST Subject: [SEL] First Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 1/21/2007 10:14:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, mullt at att.net writes: It looks like it is a 2.5hp IH Model M Tom, The M's came in 1 1/2, 3, 6, 10 but not 2 1/2 to my knowledge. Things to consider: Being this is your first engine, take along a collector friend and ask him to help you look it over for completeness/correctness/etc Is it an overstrike or understrike engine? This is the way the ignitor points work that are hooked to the magneto. If the arm trips them on the top side, then overstrike. Bottomside trip-understrike. Understrike engines are worth a little more money Does it have compression. Has anything been broken or weld repaired Are all the parts there Are the valves free and are stems very loose it their guides Is the gas tank not rusted thru and does it have all the proper fuel lines and check valves Is name tag here with serial number to check for year built. Your engine is late teens to early 20's time Any original paint Most parts are available for the M and magnetos can be rebuilt $500 is a reasonable price for the engine provided it does not require much cost to get it in running condition. However, you can find these engines in running condition for less than $1000 Above just some get started ideas and information. Post your photos somewhere and the folks here can look and evaluate more. Good luck on your purchase! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From mogul460 at localnet.com Sun Jan 21 09:15:46 2007 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:15:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: Message-ID: <000801c73d7f$ccd376e0$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Tom, Here are some more suggested items to check: Does it have a name tag and is it located on the front of the hopper or top of the crankcase? Does it have a breather on the rear end of the crank case? Does it have a pulley? Starting crank? Grease cups and oiler? Any welds on the head or water hopper? Fuel mixer valves free? Check flywheels for any cracked spokes and crank shaft not bent (by turning flywheels). Do not turn flywheels until you are certain the fuel pump and valves are not stuck. Is it on original skids? Trucks(cart). Governor fork and sleeve in good condition? Just an opinion. Unless it is an understrike engine or in excellent condition I would consider $500 to be the asking price. Like Tom S. advised see if you can get a engine guy to look at the engine with you. If not guys on the SEL will help you out. Charlie Bryant Jay,Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > In a message dated 1/21/2007 10:14:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, mullt at att.net > writes: > It looks like it is a 2.5hp IH Model M > Tom, > > The M's came in 1 1/2, 3, 6, 10 but not 2 1/2 to my knowledge. > > Things to consider: > > Being this is your first engine, take along a collector friend and ask him to > help you look it over for completeness/correctness/etc > > Is it an overstrike or understrike engine? This is the way the ignitor > points work that are hooked to the magneto. If the arm trips them on the top side, > then overstrike. Bottomside trip-understrike. Understrike engines are worth > a little more money > Does it have compression. > Has anything been broken or weld repaired > Are all the parts there > Are the valves free and are stems very loose it their guides > Is the gas tank not rusted thru and does it have all the proper fuel lines > and check valves > Is name tag here with serial number to check for year built. Your engine is > late teens to early 20's time > Any original paint > > Most parts are available for the M and magnetos can be rebuilt > > $500 is a reasonable price for the engine provided it does not require much > cost to get it in running condition. However, you can find these engines in > running condition for less than $1000 > > Above just some get started ideas and information. > > Post your photos somewhere and the folks here can look and evaluate more. > > Good luck on your purchase! > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/571 - Release Date: 12/5/06 11:50 AM > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 21 07:48:30 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:48:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <012120071510.28158.45B3824D0002AF4C00006DFE21604666489B04049A03@att.net> References: <012120071510.28158.45B3824D0002AF4C00006DFE21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, WELCOME to the list and to the hobby. A good place to start is with the excellent FAQ page that's been compiled. http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html It's definitely better if you can personally inspect the engine rather than buying on words and a picture until you get to know a given seller well. It's even better if you can take an "engine buddy" along to help with the evaluation. Where are you located? One very nice thing about the IHC "M" is that information and parts are readily abailable. Assuming that you can put your hands on the engine... Take a squirt oil can with you. Look the engine over and identify the major pieces and picture in your mind how they'll work. Start at the head end of the engine. Look for obvious cracks and breaks and welds or brazing that would indicate prior problems. Put some oil on the intake valve stem and work it in and out. You want to make sure that its free and see if the valve guide is badly worn. Put some oil on the exhaust valve stem and the rocker arm pivot and work the rocker arm to make sure that the exhaust valve is free, again checking for wear. Take a look at the mixer; does it have three knobs or just one. If just one, it's gasoline only, if three it's start on gas and run on kerosene. Since this has the Model L magneto, that means that its a low-tension or ignitor style ignition (as opposed to high tension or spark plug ignition). There's nothing wrong with that, most folks feel that its more interesting, it's just harder to check when you're doing a purchase evaluation. I'll leave it to others so suggest their favorite way of quickly checking a low tension mag/ignitor. At a minimum, give the moveable bits on the ignitor a bit of oil and make sure that they're free. Drop down the side of the engine and check the fuel pump and make sure the moving parts are free. At this point it should be safe to give the flywheels a couple of turns to check for compression. I say "safe" because you shouldn't break anything that was stuck. If you don't have good compression, remove the cylinder oiler (that brass thingie above the water hopper) and squirt a goodly amount of oil down the pipe while turning the engine over. Often an engine that's been sitting for a while has a "dry bore" and will have little to no compression. If you still have little to no compression, you are looking at future repair that may be as little as new rings or as much as new piston / cylinder sleeve. For a first engine I'd pass on one that didn't have good compression. Next you want to check the condition of the bearings. Grab each flywheel near the top and lift up. You're looking for significant "looseness" between the bearing cap and the crankshaft. Next take the hand hole cover off and reach in and grab the connecting rod. Here you're looking for obvious looseness at the big end bearing and at the wrist pin. At this point I'd oil and check all the other moving bits and get ready to try starting the engine. Put some gas in the mixer bowl (there should be a removable pipe plug to allow you to do that). Open the needle valve some, close the choke plate, and pull the flywheels smartly through compression. The owner of the engine probably has engine starting experience and should be willing to help in this process. With luck, you'll be rewarded with the sweet sound of a running engine. Don't be surprised if this part of the "first time" experience gives you a woodie. That's fairly common. 8-)) If it won't start you need to make a decision. It may require significant work (which may be why the owner hasn't been able to get it running either), or it might be something as minor as a mis-timed engine or a mag that needs charged, or a dirty set of ignitor points. My recommendation is that if you encounter any major problems checking the engine over or if you can't get it started, walk away. There's a LOT of nice running engines out there and for a "first engine", start with a runner. There's lots of time to get and work on non-running engines once you have some experience and can do a better job of evaluating what you're getting into in terms of work needed and expense. The last things to check on are things that affect the price. Does it have original paint and decals, does it have original IHC-marked grease cups, does it have an oiler, muffler, is it on a cart (original is a plus) or just a skid, and does it have the tag with serial number that will allow you to date the engine. Finally, be sure to post the tale of your experience to the list. Folks can learn from you and offer additional advice. GOOD LUCK and have fun!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 mullt at att.net wrote: > I'm about to "take the leap" and buy my first engine. It looks like it > is a 2.5hp IH Model M with a Model L magneto. From the pictures it looks > complete. The owner says he has not run it but that it was running when > he bought it. He is asking $500. > > Since I am new at this, I was wondering what I should look at to make > sure the engine is in reasonable condition and that I can get it running > without spending big $$$. Does the asking price seem reasonable? > > Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Tom From oldengin at verizon.net Sun Jan 21 09:03:36 2007 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:03:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <012120071510.28158.45B3824D0002AF4C00006DFE21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <001601c73d7e$1886a780$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Hi Tom, the info you have been given is all good and correct and yes the 500.00 is in the park of a good price. Now a couple of my thoughts for you to ponder.... I always tell people that your first engin should be a runner, cause no matter what you do to it you know that it did run. As far as compression the "M" has always, from my experiance, been on the low side of things so this is not the point to turn down this engin. BUT if the chap selling the engin is honest then he will probably work with you on trying to start it the first time for you. The governor fork is one important item to look at as they wore out with these engins and I have seen some paper thin. A good hot mag on an "M" will allow you to start this engin with one pull of the flywheels when you get to know her, they run smooth, have an oiler to work with and have a very good sound with lots of deep voice. Still if you can find some one of knowlege to help look it over for you this would be great. Also pick up on the flywheels, one side at a time, to see if any slop is in the babbits. Just my ramblings here Leroy From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 21 10:01:44 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:01:44 -0000 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <012120071510.28158.45B3824D0002AF4C00006DFE21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <001101c73d86$371dcb80$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > Hi Tom, > > WELCOME to the list and to the hobby. A good place to start is with the > excellent FAQ page that's been compiled. > http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html >Snip Don't be surprised if this part of the "first time" experience gives you a woodie. > That's fairly common. 8-)) > Snip > GOOD LUCK and have fun!! > See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, I thought that after being on this list for several years I now understood American. After researching the phrase you used I now what it means in English. Perhaps other list members have been polite enough to speak more delicately in the past. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 21 09:50:01 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:50:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: First Engine (now beginning to drift toward OT) In-Reply-To: <001101c73d86$371dcb80$e5c30b52@no1> References: <012120071510.28158.45B3824D0002AF4C00006DFE21604666489B04049A03@att.net> <001101c73d86$371dcb80$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: Hiya Dave, Jeeze man, you're not so old that you should have forgotten the sensation. AFAIK, "woodie" is used in Brit slang. http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/w.htm Of course the definitive reference work is Roger's Profanisaurus. 8->> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger's_Profanisaurus See ya, Arnie On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Dave Croft wrote: > Hi Arnie, I thought that after being on this list for several years I now understood American. > After researching the phrase you used I now what it means in English. > Perhaps other list members have been polite enough to speak more delicately in the past. From mullt at att.net Sun Jan 21 11:14:06 2007 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:14:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: First Engine (now beginning to drift toward OT) Message-ID: <012120071914.2991.45B3BB7D000D110700000BAF21612436469B04049A03@att.net> I thought the "proper" British term was standing hampton. Tom -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Arnie Fero > Hiya Dave, > > Jeeze man, you're not so old that you should have forgotten the sensation. > AFAIK, "woodie" is used in Brit slang. > http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/w.htm > > Of course the definitive reference work is Roger's Profanisaurus. 8->> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger's_Profanisaurus > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Dave Croft wrote: > > > Hi Arnie, I thought that after being on this list for several years I now > understood American. > > After researching the phrase you used I now what it means in English. > > Perhaps other list members have been polite enough to speak more delicately in > the past. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 21 11:39:08 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:39:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thermo-Syphon , In-Reply-To: <6f6025160701210211iffc1d8du7be6f7b78811bf0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <002401c73cd2$bef403d0$163d6c3a@userecaf7b7be7> <00a201c73cd7$c659af30$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <6f6025160701210211iffc1d8du7be6f7b78811bf0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <982c712d9ce8f778bced64cfcbbd2c29@chartertn.net> > I guess the 1950's was when water pumps generally became a fixture on > cars in the UK, our family had an Austin 12 van in 1958 which was > purely thermo-syphon for cooling. I had a 1954 Jaguar XK-120 drophead in the early '80s. It had a water pump. I recall that a rebuilt one, exchange, ran $138 from Moss Motors. I didn't need one, that was just a typical parts price that stuck in my head. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 21 11:11:33 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:11:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: First Engine (now beginning to drift toward OT) In-Reply-To: <012120071914.2991.45B3BB7D000D110700000BAF21612436469B04049A03@att.net> References: <012120071914.2991.45B3BB7D000D110700000BAF21612436469B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, Yep, one among many... http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wikisaurus:penis/more See ya, Arnie On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 mullt at att.net wrote: > I thought the "proper" British term was standing hampton. > > Tom From mullt at att.net Sun Jan 21 14:27:02 2007 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:27:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] First Engine Message-ID: <012120072227.5896.45B3E8B6000863E40000170821603762239B04049A03@att.net> Arnie, Thanks for the information. I tried sending some picutues to the list but apparently the list will not take emials with large files attached. What is the easiest way to check the compression? Do I need a compression gauge? If it has an igniter, then I can't connect a gauge like I would in a spark plug hole. Thanks. Tom -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Arnie Fero > Hi Tom, > > WELCOME to the list and to the hobby. A good place to start is with the > excellent FAQ page that's been compiled. > http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html > > It's definitely better if you can personally inspect the engine rather > than buying on words and a picture until you get to know a given seller > well. It's even better if you can take an "engine buddy" along to help > with the evaluation. Where are you located? > > One very nice thing about the IHC "M" is that information and parts are > readily abailable. > > Assuming that you can put your hands on the engine... Take a squirt oil > can with you. Look the engine over and identify the major pieces and > picture in your mind how they'll work. Start at the head end of the > engine. Look for obvious cracks and breaks and welds or brazing that > would indicate prior problems. > > Put some oil on the intake valve stem and work it in and out. You want to > make sure that its free and see if the valve guide is badly worn. Put > some oil on the exhaust valve stem and the rocker arm pivot and work the > rocker arm to make sure that the exhaust valve is free, again checking for > wear. > > Take a look at the mixer; does it have three knobs or just one. If just > one, it's gasoline only, if three it's start on gas and run on kerosene. > > Since this has the Model L magneto, that means that its a low-tension or > ignitor style ignition (as opposed to high tension or spark plug > ignition). There's nothing wrong with that, most folks feel that its more > interesting, it's just harder to check when you're doing a purchase > evaluation. I'll leave it to others so suggest their favorite way of > quickly checking a low tension mag/ignitor. At a minimum, give the > moveable bits on the ignitor a bit of oil and make sure that they're free. > > Drop down the side of the engine and check the fuel pump and make sure the > moving parts are free. > > At this point it should be safe to give the flywheels a couple of turns to > check for compression. I say "safe" because you shouldn't break anything > that was stuck. If you don't have good compression, remove the cylinder > oiler (that brass thingie above the water hopper) and squirt a goodly > amount of oil down the pipe while turning the engine over. Often an > engine that's been sitting for a while has a "dry bore" and will have > little to no compression. If you still have little to no compression, you > are looking at future repair that may be as little as new rings or as much > as new piston / cylinder sleeve. For a first engine I'd pass on one that > didn't have good compression. > > Next you want to check the condition of the bearings. Grab each flywheel > near the top and lift up. You're looking for significant "looseness" > between the bearing cap and the crankshaft. Next take the hand hole cover > off and reach in and grab the connecting rod. Here you're looking for > obvious looseness at the big end bearing and at the wrist pin. > > At this point I'd oil and check all the other moving bits and get ready to > try starting the engine. Put some gas in the mixer bowl (there should be > a removable pipe plug to allow you to do that). Open the needle valve > some, close the choke plate, and pull the flywheels smartly through > compression. The owner of the engine probably has engine starting > experience and should be willing to help in this process. With luck, > you'll be rewarded with the sweet sound of a running engine. Don't be > surprised if this part of the "first time" experience gives you a woodie. > That's fairly common. 8-)) > > If it won't start you need to make a decision. It may require significant > work (which may be why the owner hasn't been able to get it running > either), or it might be something as minor as a mis-timed engine or a mag > that needs charged, or a dirty set of ignitor points. > > My recommendation is that if you encounter any major problems checking > the engine over or if you can't get it started, walk away. > > There's a LOT of nice running engines out there and for a "first engine", > start with a runner. There's lots of time to get and work on non-running > engines once you have some experience and can do a better job of > evaluating what you're getting into in terms of work needed and expense. > > The last things to check on are things that affect the price. Does it > have original paint and decals, does it have original IHC-marked grease > cups, does it have an oiler, muffler, is it on a cart (original is a plus) > or just a skid, and does it have the tag with serial number that will > allow you to date the engine. > > Finally, be sure to post the tale of your experience to the list. Folks > can learn from you and offer additional advice. > > GOOD LUCK and have fun!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 mullt at att.net wrote: > > > I'm about to "take the leap" and buy my first engine. It looks like it > > is a 2.5hp IH Model M with a Model L magneto. From the pictures it looks > > complete. The owner says he has not run it but that it was running when > > he bought it. He is asking $500. > > > > Since I am new at this, I was wondering what I should look at to make > > sure the engine is in reasonable condition and that I can get it running > > without spending big $$$. Does the asking price seem reasonable? > > > > Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jan 21 14:47:52 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:47:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Crossley OO Videos Message-ID: <20070121224747.EKVF19269.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> We had a bit of an impromptu get together on the weekend to have a bit of a play with my mate Paul's 1900 Crossly OO portable. Edd came down to get it running a bit better (lots of little bits of fine tuning). It is now running very sweetly. The first video is about 4mb but the other two are about 1mb each. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07012003.AVI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07012010.AVI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07012008.AVI Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Jan 21 15:05:23 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:05:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <012120072227.5896.45B3E8B6000863E40000170821603762239B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <008301c73db0$a1fe3b40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Tom, Your engine probably has a compression ratio of 4 to 1 more or less. Just pull the flywheel through and see what you feel. Should be some resistance but probably but not so much it is hard to pull. As somebody suggested earlier get the bore and everything else well oiled so that friction is not a big factor. Engines of this vintage that have been sitting a long time are prone to stuck rings so oil the hell out of it. Jim Jim and Diane Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine Arnie, Thanks for the information. I tried sending some picutues to the list but apparently the list will not take emials with large files attached. What is the easiest way to check the compression? Do I need a compression gauge? If it has an igniter, then I can't connect a gauge like I would in a spark plug hole. Thanks. Tom -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Arnie Fero > Hi Tom, > > WELCOME to the list and to the hobby. A good place to start is with the > excellent FAQ page that's been compiled. > http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html > > It's definitely better if you can personally inspect the engine rather > than buying on words and a picture until you get to know a given seller > well. It's even better if you can take an "engine buddy" along to help > with the evaluation. Where are you located? > > One very nice thing about the IHC "M" is that information and parts are > readily abailable. > > Assuming that you can put your hands on the engine... Take a squirt oil > can with you. Look the engine over and identify the major pieces and > picture in your mind how they'll work. Start at the head end of the > engine. Look for obvious cracks and breaks and welds or brazing that > would indicate prior problems. > > Put some oil on the intake valve stem and work it in and out. You want to > make sure that its free and see if the valve guide is badly worn. Put > some oil on the exhaust valve stem and the rocker arm pivot and work the > rocker arm to make sure that the exhaust valve is free, again checking for > wear. > > Take a look at the mixer; does it have three knobs or just one. If just > one, it's gasoline only, if three it's start on gas and run on kerosene. > > Since this has the Model L magneto, that means that its a low-tension or > ignitor style ignition (as opposed to high tension or spark plug > ignition). There's nothing wrong with that, most folks feel that its more > interesting, it's just harder to check when you're doing a purchase > evaluation. I'll leave it to others so suggest their favorite way of > quickly checking a low tension mag/ignitor. At a minimum, give the > moveable bits on the ignitor a bit of oil and make sure that they're free. > > Drop down the side of the engine and check the fuel pump and make sure the > moving parts are free. > > At this point it should be safe to give the flywheels a couple of turns to > check for compression. I say "safe" because you shouldn't break anything > that was stuck. If you don't have good compression, remove the cylinder > oiler (that brass thingie above the water hopper) and squirt a goodly > amount of oil down the pipe while turning the engine over. Often an > engine that's been sitting for a while has a "dry bore" and will have > little to no compression. If you still have little to no compression, you > are looking at future repair that may be as little as new rings or as much > as new piston / cylinder sleeve. For a first engine I'd pass on one that > didn't have good compression. > > Next you want to check the condition of the bearings. Grab each flywheel > near the top and lift up. You're looking for significant "looseness" > between the bearing cap and the crankshaft. Next take the hand hole cover > off and reach in and grab the connecting rod. Here you're looking for > obvious looseness at the big end bearing and at the wrist pin. > > At this point I'd oil and check all the other moving bits and get ready to > try starting the engine. Put some gas in the mixer bowl (there should be > a removable pipe plug to allow you to do that). Open the needle valve > some, close the choke plate, and pull the flywheels smartly through > compression. The owner of the engine probably has engine starting > experience and should be willing to help in this process. With luck, > you'll be rewarded with the sweet sound of a running engine. Don't be > surprised if this part of the "first time" experience gives you a woodie. > That's fairly common. 8-)) > > If it won't start you need to make a decision. It may require significant > work (which may be why the owner hasn't been able to get it running > either), or it might be something as minor as a mis-timed engine or a mag > that needs charged, or a dirty set of ignitor points. > > My recommendation is that if you encounter any major problems checking > the engine over or if you can't get it started, walk away. > > There's a LOT of nice running engines out there and for a "first engine", > start with a runner. There's lots of time to get and work on non-running > engines once you have some experience and can do a better job of > evaluating what you're getting into in terms of work needed and expense. > > The last things to check on are things that affect the price. Does it > have original paint and decals, does it have original IHC-marked grease > cups, does it have an oiler, muffler, is it on a cart (original is a plus) > or just a skid, and does it have the tag with serial number that will > allow you to date the engine. > > Finally, be sure to post the tale of your experience to the list. Folks > can learn from you and offer additional advice. > > GOOD LUCK and have fun!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 mullt at att.net wrote: > > > I'm about to "take the leap" and buy my first engine. It looks like it > > is a 2.5hp IH Model M with a Model L magneto. From the pictures it looks > > complete. The owner says he has not run it but that it was running when > > he bought it. He is asking $500. > > > > Since I am new at this, I was wondering what I should look at to make > > sure the engine is in reasonable condition and that I can get it running > > without spending big $$$. Does the asking price seem reasonable? > > > > Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 21 14:27:04 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:27:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <012120072227.5896.45B3E8B6000863E40000170821603762239B04049A03@att.net> References: <012120072227.5896.45B3E8B6000863E40000170821603762239B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, This particular email list doesn't permit attachments. Best bet is to put the pics on the web somewhere and provide a URL in an email to the list. As to compression, the best way is just to gauge good compression by "feel." For example if there's no perceptable difference between coming up to TDC on compression or coming up to TDC on the exhaust stroke, you have a problem. 8-)) OTOH, if you go over compression to BDC and now throw the flywheels back against compression and it "bounces" nicely, then you've got good compression. Or a squash ball on top of the piston. 8-)) There should be definite resistance felt as you come up on compression. See ya, Arnie On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 mullt at att.net wrote: > Thanks for the information. I tried sending some picutues to the list > but apparently the list will not take emials with large files attached. > > What is the easiest way to check the compression? Do I need a > compression gauge? If it has an igniter, then I can't connect a gauge > like I would in a spark plug hole. Thanks. > > Tom From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 21 15:42:16 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:42:16 -0000 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <012120072227.5896.45B3E8B6000863E40000170821603762239B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <003101c73db5$c9eb6290$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > Arnie, > > Thanks for the information. I tried sending some picutues to the list but apparently the list will not take emials with large > files attached. > > What is the easiest way to check the compression? Do I need a compression gauge? If it has an igniter, then I can't connect a > gauge like I would in a spark plug hole. Thanks. > > Tom Hi Tom, You cannot send a picture to this list. You can use webshots or another program to copy your pictures & send the address here. If you need it send the pictures to me & I will post them for you! Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Jan 21 15:44:15 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:44:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Crossley OO Videos References: <20070121224747.EKVF19269.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <008a01c73db6$0fcbdfb0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Very nice Patrick, thanks for the video Jim Jim and Diane Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Crossley OO Videos We had a bit of an impromptu get together on the weekend to have a bit of a play with my mate Paul's 1900 Crossly OO portable. Edd came down to get it running a bit better (lots of little bits of fine tuning). It is now running very sweetly. The first video is about 4mb but the other two are about 1mb each. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07012003.AVI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07012010.AVI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07012008.AVI Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sun Jan 21 17:24:11 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:24:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <000801c73d7f$ccd376e0$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <20070122012411.78826.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Charlie-san, Arnie-san, et al, Bill Young here, reporting for duty in Bangkok. Japan was starting to get too cold for me. Am reading your interesting mail and looking for engines over here. Have found two not-for-sale Ruston Hornsbys. Hi to all, Bill From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jan 21 18:52:40 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:52:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <20070122012411.78826.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c73dd0$6a23a000$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Hi Bill...everyone has their price! You remember the Trusty in Tokyo Museum? ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > Charlie-san, Arnie-san, et al, > > Bill Young here, reporting for duty in Bangkok. Japan was starting to > get too cold for me. Am reading your interesting mail and looking for > engines over here. Have found two not-for-sale Ruston Hornsbys. Hi to > all, Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 21 20:17:29 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:17:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <20070122012411.78826.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070122012411.78826.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1169439449.45b43ad9e5d8d@webmail.city-net.com> Well HOT DAMN Young-san, You're the first list member to report in from Thailand!! Well done!! Is this a permanent relocation or just a visit? If permanent, we want a report on how folks in Bangkok respond to the Bessemer stack music!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting William Young : > Charlie-san, Arnie-san, et al, > > Bill Young here, reporting for duty in Bangkok. Japan was starting to get > too cold for me. Am reading your interesting mail and looking for engines > over here. Have found two not-for-sale Ruston Hornsbys. Hi to all, Bill From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sun Jan 21 22:33:05 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:33:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <1169439449.45b43ad9e5d8d@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20070122063305.96992.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Arnie, et al, If geography is an element of interest to the group, I will report in from Chaing Mai ( N. Thailand ) and Cambodia later this month. I did manage to snag 5 small engines in Thailand about 4 years ago. No, nothing permanent -- just a two-month escape for cold, cold Japan during Jan. & feb. Bill From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sun Jan 21 22:44:50 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:44:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <000901c73dd0$6a23a000$0301a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <20070122064450.836.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter-san, Yep, I remember the Trusty. About the Rustons. The father of the present owner was import agent for R-H engines here in Thailand. Since my friend is already wealthy, maybe double or triple, I took him at his word when he said the engines were not for sale. A guy in Japan had a bunch of engines that he, too, would not sell, although I tried several times to buy. During the course of time, I repaired an EK for him -- no charge.. When he decided to get rid of his engine collection, he called me. .He gave me the lot. Bill From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jan 21 23:21:03 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:21:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <20070122064450.836.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01c73df5$dfbe6ff0$0601a8c0@altech> Bill - san, WOW, he gave you the lot, not a bad payment for a mag overhaul, that does not happen but once a blue moon, well never here. ;-)) Do you have a web site for your toys?? Peter > Peter-san, Yep, I remember the Trusty. About the Rustons. The father of > the present owner was import agent for R-H engines here in Thailand. > Since my friend is already wealthy, maybe double or triple, I took him at > his word when he said the engines were not for sale. > A guy in Japan had a bunch of engines that he, too, would not sell, > although I tried several times to buy. During the course of time, I > repaired an EK for him -- no charge.. When he decided to get rid of his > engine collection, he called me. .He gave me the lot. Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Jan 22 00:52:31 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:52:31 -0000 Subject: [SEL] First Engine References: <012120072227.5896.45B3E8B6000863E40000170821603762239B04049A03@att.net> <003101c73db5$c9eb6290$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <003001c73e02$a8328b90$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine >> Arnie, >> Thanks for the information. I tried sending some picutues to the list but apparently the list will not take emials with large >> files attached. >> What is the easiest way to check the compression? Do I need a compression gauge? If it has an igniter, then I can't connect a >> gauge like I would in a spark plug hole. Thanks. >> Tom > > Hi Tom, You cannot send a picture to this list. > You can use webshots or another program to copy your pictures & send the address here. > If you need it send the pictures to me & I will post them for you! > Dave Croft Tom sent me his pictures & I have posted them at http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2293251040028520097HLbubL http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2908333950028520097wGDHJo http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2186551060028520097LzWqgz Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jan 22 05:01:53 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:01:53 EST Subject: [SEL] First Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 1/22/2007 4:14:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: Tom sent me his pictures & I have posted them at Tom, Your engine appears to be in good shape and parts complete, although the photos are somewhat blurry. The muffler is missing but a repro can be bought from Starbolt or Hit and Miss for around $40 The tank filler spout cap is incorrect, but no big deal. It should be a pipe cap rather than a pipe plug. An original can be found at some shows. Take the starting crank and hang it on a nail in your shop and leave it there! Do not use to start engine as you may end up with busted teeth! As someone else mentioned the $500 price is a good starting point and offer him 4-450 and see what happens. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From mullt at att.net Mon Jan 22 05:22:56 2007 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:22:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] First Engine Message-ID: <012220071322.27676.45B4BAB0000079BB00006C1C21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Dave, Thanks for posting the pictures. It looks like a Model M to me but I am not sure. Tom -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Dave Croft" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Croft" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:42 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 22 07:13:40 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:13:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Engine In-Reply-To: <20070122012411.78826.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000801c73d7f$ccd376e0$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <20070122012411.78826.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070122101130.02f940f0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Bill, I'd like to hear if you find any Maytag-san engines. Thanks, Mark-san At 08:24 PM 1/21/07, you wrote: >Charlie-san, Arnie-san, et al, > > Bill Young here, reporting for duty in Bangkok. Japan was starting to > get too cold for me. Am reading your interesting mail and looking for > engines over here. Have found two not-for-sale Ruston Hornsbys. Hi to > all, Bill Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jan 22 10:46:08 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:46:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] To Oom Bill-San In-Reply-To: <200701221700.l0MH05PC007138@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070122204425.00ac62a0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >From: William Young >Subject: Re: [SEL] First Engine > >Charlie-san, Arnie-san, et al, > > Bill Young here, reporting for duty in Bangkok. Japan was starting to > get too cold for me. Am reading your interesting mail and looking for > engines over here. Have found two not-for-sale Ruston Hornsbys. Hi to > all, Bill Hi Oom Bill-san, Greetings from South Africa. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Jan 22 14:31:09 2007 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:31:09 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Help in Texas Message-ID: <026801c73e75$052b5490$0200a8c0@fbi> Hi Folks I've been contacted by a club in Texas who need some help and advice with their engines. They're not on the List (yet), although I sent info on how to get here, but in the meantime, if you can help, reply to eeggemeyer at cox.net Dolly *************** Hello, we are a small group in West Texas trying to put together a Farm/Ranch Herratige museum downtown. Currently we have an old blacksmith shop next to a vacant lot of approx. 180'x180'. We are looking to relocate an old cotton gin and saw mill and grist mill and thresher, currently searching for, onto this property for demonstration purposes. At this time we are looking for a power source to run all the machines. The blacksmith and saw mill can be ran by smaller hit and miss engines which we a searching for. We would like the cotton gin to be powered by a 160 hp, or so, Bessemer because we like the twin cylinder and twin flywheel configuration. Also, if you have any info. on belt driven equipment or tractors for sale we would greatly appreciate it. Please feel free to contact us if you have any info. or foward this on to others that may be able to help. Thank you for your time. Sincerely Eric Eggemeyer Eggemeyers General Store 35 E Concho Ave. San Angelo, Texas 76903 Cell: 325-374-2333 -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 17:51:31 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:51:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Engines, guns In-Reply-To: <002a01c73df5$dfbe6ff0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070123015131.20598.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter-san, When I left USA for Japan, I had a sale of most of my goodies. There were a couple engines I could not sell, so I gave them to friends. My entire gun collection, I gave to another pilot type buddy. So, what goes around, comes around. No, no web site. Maybe someday I will acquire enough computerese to do so. I still have trouble with on/off switch. Bill From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jan 22 18:33:21 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:33:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help in Texas Message-ID: <20070122.214700.952.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jim, Eric Eggemeyer has contacted me also. I sent him the ogden pubs internet addresses and told him to get a copy of the Farm Show Directory that list no less than 29 shows in Texas. I told him to check out a few shows and become a member. Also to try and get a copy of Gas Engine Magazine which will give him tons of leads. He did write me back. I think he pretty well knows what's going on. Just needs someone to "hold his hand" and kick him in the ass. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 21:08:36 2007 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:08:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs Message-ID: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> After wasting some money on some real crappy quality reprints from an outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and have scanned them and placed them here for you to download and use free: http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm Scroll halfway down and there are links to the pdf files, the download size is next to them and if you don't have dsl or cable, you might want to make a sandwich....... The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is well received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan. Can someone forward the link to the Farmall list for me? I like IHC stuff, but any more than two cylinders is a waste of iron and electric starters are for girls. Joe ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Jan 22 21:37:19 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:37:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Free Manuals and Catalogs In-Reply-To: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D07BC87-3405-4365-8646-2F58CC67C65E@rustyiron.com> > The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is > well > received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan. Damned straight it's well received, Joe! Thank you for your effort in scanning everything. Here's my take: a. There's a lot of collectors. There ain't much paper. Scan what you can; bring joy to the world. b. Horde your paper. If you don't have a climate controlled nitrogen filled file cabinet, it will be dust in another 100 years. c. Horde your paper. Die. Have the mortician use it as packing material in your coffin. How's the 10-20 coming along? Rob From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Tue Jan 23 01:32:30 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:32:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Early Petter Anglo help? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061027091223.01b87fe8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi ,trying to get in touch with Russell Gilbert don't think my emails are getting through.Anyone know his email address? John Palmer. >From: Russell Gilbert >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Petter Anglo help? >Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:17:34 +1000 > >Hi folks; I've just finished downloading pics of the Petter on webshots, >new album called Petter Anglo >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics The part in question to >my first e-mail is shown. The brass fuel injector sorta thingi!!????? sits >on the air intake casting where it must just well up and then get sucked >into the vapourizer??? Anyone know much about these?? The brass part looks >complete but I have not seen anything like this before to know? >cheers, Russ > > > >At 10:00 PM 26/10/2006, you wrote: >>G'day all, I have started to pull my Petter Anglo down for a clean up etc >>for resto. It really is the first time I have had a proper play with it. >>Question to whom may be able to help. The fuel system seems simple enough. >>The governor controls the lever which lets the need amount of fuel into >>the engine etc. However the actual Fuel .,,,, injector?? drip feed thingy >>( I will have to post a pic) does this simply gravity feed/drip the fuel >>into the vaporisor area?? Or should it have a sealed valve?? Does anyone >>else own one who could share some pictures with me? The engine in >>question is on my webshots in the My Shed album. I will add more pics of >>the engine over the weekend. >> >>any help would be great >>thanks, Russell >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jan 23 02:18:34 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:18:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Early Petter Anglo help? In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20061027091223.01b87fe8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070123211752.01dee518@ncable.com.au> G'day John, sorry but have been away doing a spot of fishing, shooting and drinking! Russell At 08:32 PM 23/01/2007, you wrote: >Hi ,trying to get in touch with Russell Gilbert don't think my >emails are getting through.Anyone know his email address? John Palmer. > > >>From: Russell Gilbert >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Petter Anglo help? >>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:17:34 +1000 >> >>Hi folks; I've just finished downloading pics of the Petter on webshots, >>new album called Petter Anglo >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics The part in >>question to my first e-mail is shown. The brass fuel injector sorta >>thingi!!????? sits on the air intake casting where it must just >>well up and then get sucked into the vapourizer??? Anyone know much >>about these?? The brass part looks complete but I have not seen >>anything like this before to know? >>cheers, Russ >> >> >> >>At 10:00 PM 26/10/2006, you wrote: >>>G'day all, I have started to pull my Petter Anglo down for a clean >>>up etc for resto. It really is the first time I have had a proper >>>play with it. Question to whom may be able to help. The fuel >>>system seems simple enough. The governor controls the lever which >>>lets the need amount of fuel into the engine etc. However the >>>actual Fuel .,,,, injector?? drip feed thingy ( I will have to >>>post a pic) does this simply gravity feed/drip the fuel into the >>>vaporisor area?? Or should it have a sealed valve?? Does anyone >>>else own one who could share some pictures with me? The engine in >>>question is on my webshots in the My Shed album. I will add more >>>pics of the engine over the weekend. >>> >>>any help would be great >>>thanks, Russell >>> >>>Russell Gilbert >>>Sunny Sunraysia >>>russell at ncable.com.au >>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Jan 23 02:47:40 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:47:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs Message-ID: <012320071047.19101.45B5E7CC0007C67B00004A9D219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Joe, Really great info and downloads ok for viewing and research. Do you have more stationary engine related stuff? Thank you very much for all the hard work! Curt Andree > After wasting some money on some real crappy quality reprints from an > outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and have scanned them and > placed them here for you to download and use free: > http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm > Scroll halfway down and there are links to the pdf files, the download > size is next to them and if you don't have dsl or cable, you might want to > make a sandwich....... > The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is well > received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan. > Can someone forward the link to the Farmall list for me? I like IHC stuff, > but any more than two cylinders is a waste of iron and electric starters > are for girls. > Joe > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jan 23 05:23:41 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 06:23:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs References: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you Joe!! The President of the Mt. Steam Assoc. is restoring a 10-20 and I have forwarded your link to him. Well if you're ever in this neck of the woods, stop on by and we'll go take a look at a Corliss style that resto seems to be dead in the water. I'll get some pictures up this coming spring. later, RickinMt. > After wasting some money on some real crappy quality reprints from an > outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and have scanned them and > placed them here for you to download and use free: > http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm > Scroll halfway down and there are links to the pdf files, the download > size is next to them and if you don't have dsl or cable, you might want to > make a sandwich....... > The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is well > received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan. > Can someone forward the link to the Farmall list for me? I like IHC stuff, > but any more than two cylinders is a waste of iron and electric starters > are for girls. > Joe > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 23 18:28:05 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:28:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Henry Ford movie Message-ID: <009f01c73f5f$4834c790$240110ac@FAMILY> ----- Original Message ----- From: Bo Hinch To: fero_ah at city-net.com ; Paul Maples Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:55 PM Subject: Henry Ford movie Sorry to be a pain in the butt , My email address has changed ( because cable company sold out ) and my new email will not let me send to the list . Hope to get that taken care of soon , emails from my old address is fowarded to the new account so I can still read about whats going on with the list . I made a short ( bad video ) of my Henry Ford motor running and was wondering if one of you kind guys would put the below address on the net for me . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEQmE5Rt_rQ My new address is mmc at suddenlink.net Thanks Bo Hinch From driggars at wildblue.net Tue Jan 23 19:01:35 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:01:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine Message-ID: <45B6CC0F.4030703@wildblue.net> What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am looking for a parts manual. thanks Clint From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Jan 23 19:14:48 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:14:48 EST Subject: [SEL] Fw: Henry Ford movie Message-ID: Hi Bo, Very nice. It makes a wonderful sound. Thanks for sharing. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO In a message dated 1/23/2007 8:47:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: Bo Hinch To: fero_ah at city-net.com ; Paul Maples Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:55 PM Subject: Henry Ford movie Sorry to be a pain in the butt , My email address has changed ( because cable company sold out ) and my new email will not let me send to the list . Hope to get that taken care of soon , emails from my old address is fowarded to the new account so I can still read about whats going on with the list . I made a short ( bad video ) of my Henry Ford motor running and was wondering if one of you kind guys would put the below address on the net for me . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEQmE5Rt_rQ My new address is mmc at suddenlink.net Thanks Bo Hinch _______________________________________________ From plb at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 23 19:21:38 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:21:38 +0900 Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine In-Reply-To: <45B6CC0F.4030703@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <5jlpn2$34qnju@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> I think they had a 3306 in them. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:02 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am looking for a parts manual. thanks Clint _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at wildblue.net Tue Jan 23 20:05:43 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:05:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine In-Reply-To: <5jlpn2$34qnju@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> References: <5jlpn2$34qnju@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <45B6DB17.3060101@wildblue.net> Thanks, I was not sure, it was stuck in my mind a 3304, but that didnt match in my searches. Clint R and E Freeman wrote: > I think they had a 3306 in them. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D > Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:02 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine > > What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am > looking for a parts manual. > thanks > Clint > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 23 21:23:12 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:23:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs In-Reply-To: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c73f77$c034c390$0100a8c0@l2800> WOW - and quality work, too! Thanks for sharing. Bill Runnells, IA (just finishing the sandwich) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Joe Prindle Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:09 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs After wasting some money on some real crappy quality reprints from an outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and have scanned them and placed them here for you to download and use free: http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm Scroll halfway down and there are links to the pdf files, the download size is next to them and if you don't have dsl or cable, you might want to make a sandwich....... The usual disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. If this is well received, I have a bunch more stuff to scan. Can someone forward the link to the Farmall list for me? I like IHC stuff, but any more than two cylinders is a waste of iron and electric starters are for girls. Joe ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 24 00:40:22 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:40:22 +0900 Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine In-Reply-To: <45B6DB17.3060101@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <5jlpn2$353u07@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> The 941 had a 3304 and I remember a 955L we used had a 6 cylinder engine which would most likely make it a 3306. Ray Freeman PerthWA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 1:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] cat 955k engine Thanks, I was not sure, it was stuck in my mind a 3304, but that didnt match in my searches. Clint R and E Freeman wrote: > I think they had a 3306 in them. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D > Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:02 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine > > What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am > looking for a parts manual. > thanks > Clint > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com Wed Jan 24 02:41:46 2007 From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:41:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Henry Ford movie In-Reply-To: <009f01c73f5f$4834c790$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <009f01c73f5f$4834c790$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <45B737EA.20401@matthewsfarm.com> Nice job, Thanks for the video <> <> Paul Maples wrote: > > > > > >I made a short ( bad video ) of my Henry Ford motor running and was wondering if one of you kind guys would put the below address on the net for me . > > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jan 24 05:57:31 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:57:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Birthday Boy Message-ID: A VERY BIG HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Rob Skinner!!!! THANKS to you and Kelley for what you two do to keep the old iron in the spotlight!!! Best regards, RickinMt. From driggars at wildblue.net Wed Jan 24 07:26:13 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:26:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine In-Reply-To: <5jlpn2$353u07@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> References: <5jlpn2$353u07@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony14.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <45B77A95.1000001@wildblue.net> Ray This is before the 955L series, its a 955K and its a 4cylinder with a turbo charger. Someone had mentioned to me that it may be a D330T ??? But I am having trouble determining Clint R and E Freeman wrote: > The 941 had a 3304 and I remember a 955L we used had a 6 cylinder engine > which would most likely make it a 3306. > Ray Freeman > PerthWA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D > Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 1:06 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] cat 955k engine > > Thanks, I was not sure, it was stuck in my mind a 3304, but that didnt > match in my searches. > > Clint > > > R and E Freeman wrote: > >> I think they had a 3306 in them. >> Ray Freeman >> Perth WA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D >> Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:02 PM >> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine >> >> What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am >> looking for a parts manual. >> thanks >> Clint >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 24 09:42:51 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:42:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bo's New Ford Message-ID: Congratulations and thanks, Bo. Nice work! I've 'bout wore that video out listening - great sound. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 From nick at holden1.net Wed Jan 24 10:09:51 2007 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:09:51 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine References: <45B77A95.1000001@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <45B7A0EB.000001.02800@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Clint I think its a 3304 but if you let me have the serial No of the machine I will look it up on my set of cat CD's Or if its part NOs you want I can just look them up For you Nick Banbury (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Clint D Date: 24/01/2007 15:53:35 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] cat 955k engine Ray This is before the 955L series, its a 955K and its a 4cylinder with a turbo charger. Someone had mentioned to me that it may be a D330T ??? But I am having trouble determining Clint R and E Freeman wrote: > The 941 had a 3304 and I remember a 955L we used had a 6 cylinder engine > which would most likely make it a 3306. > Ray Freeman > PerthWA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D > Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 1:06 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] cat 955k engine > > Thanks, I was not sure, it was stuck in my mind a 3304, but that didnt > match in my searches. > > Clint > > > R and E Freeman wrote: > >> I think they had a 3306 in them. >> Ray Freeman >> Perth WA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D >> Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:02 PM >> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine >> >> What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am >> looking for a parts manual. >> thanks >> Clint >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel . From driggars at wildblue.net Wed Jan 24 12:19:27 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:19:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine In-Reply-To: <45B7A0EB.000001.02800@YOUR-447023AE6B> References: <45B77A95.1000001@wildblue.net> <45B7A0EB.000001.02800@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <45B7BF4F.30105@wildblue.net> Nick its a serial # 61h1659 anyone know the head bolt torque setting? Clint Nick Holden wrote: > Hi Clint > > I think its a 3304 but if you let me have the serial No of the machine > > I will look it up on my set of cat CD's > > Or if its part NOs you want I can just look them up > > For you > > > > > > Nick > > Banbury (UK) > > nick at holden1.net > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Clint D > > Date: 24/01/2007 15:53:35 > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] cat 955k engine > > > > Ray > > > > This is before the 955L series, its a 955K and its a 4cylinder with a > > turbo charger. > > > > Someone had mentioned to me that it may be a D330T ??? But I am having > > trouble determining > > Clint > > > > > > > > R and E Freeman wrote: > > >> The 941 had a 3304 and I remember a 955L we used had a 6 cylinder engine >> > > >> which would most likely make it a 3306. >> > > >> Ray Freeman >> > > >> PerthWA >> > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> > > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D >> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 1:06 PM >> > > >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> > > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] cat 955k engine >> > > > > >> Thanks, I was not sure, it was stuck in my mind a 3304, but that didnt >> > > >> match in my searches. >> > > > > >> Clint >> > > > > > > >> R and E Freeman wrote: >> > > > > >>> I think they had a 3306 in them. >>> > > >>> Ray Freeman >>> > > >>> Perth WA >>> > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> > > >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > > >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D >>> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:02 PM >>> > > >>> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > > >>> Subject: [SEL] cat 955k engine >>> > > > > >>> What is the model number for a cat 955 K track Loader engine? I am >>> > > >>> looking for a parts manual. >>> > > >>> thanks >>> > > >>> Clint >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > > >>> SEL mailing list >>> > > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > > >>> SEL mailing list >>> > > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > >> SEL mailing list >> > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > >> SEL mailing list >> > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > . > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 24 17:14:09 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:14:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Cart Wheels Message-ID: <004401c7401e$1f337110$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Gang I am in need of a set of cart wheels for the cart I want to build for my Stover. I would like to find some 24" in diameter rear wheels and 20" in diameter wheels for the front but would be interested in anything close to these dimensions. Has anybody got anything like this that they would part with? Thanks, Paul From rex002 at centurytel.net Wed Jan 24 18:22:46 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:22:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A sad day Message-ID: <000b01c74027$b57c8f90$6500a8c0@home> Hi all : It was a sad day here around Baraboo today as I found out one of my best friends has 3 brain tumors and lung cancer , His name is Kenny Johnson , Some of you who attended the last two Badger Steam And Gas shows might know who I'm talking about as he was with me both years , He is the one who built the all oak tractor and wagon and also the Horseless Carriage we had at the shows , he has also built a wood automatic can smasher driven by flat belt which if possible I will have at the Badger 2007 show , you must see it . the man can build anything out of wood and its better than any furniture you can buy. I'm hoping some of you may send a get well card to help cheer him up , we don't know how long he has or if radiation will help , he is 76 years old , a retired farmer and truck driver , he drives semi for Skinner Transfer Corp. in Reedsburg Wi. the same place I work , also He does not have a computer or Email address , Thanks for your support in advance , Kenny's address Ken Johnson 1011 8th St. Reedsburg, Wi. 53959 Rex Hinz From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 03:49:08 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:49:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting Message-ID: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> Guys I want to put a new shell on my muffler for my Stover and I want do my best to maintain originality. Look at this picture of my muffler, I sandblasted just the area where the rivets are so you could see them clearly. I do not want to use pop rivets so what is the best method to use to replicate these rivets. What kind of tools will I have to have to do the job or maybe it would be best to send the shell to someone who could make a new shell with the rivets. Just let me know what is the best method. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler396.jpg Thanks for the help. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 24 18:51:01 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:51:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A sad day References: <000b01c74027$b57c8f90$6500a8c0@home> Message-ID: <007a01c7402b$a6b994e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Rex I am so sorry to hear this even though I have never met the gentleman. It seems like cancer is literally destroying us and at what seems to be an increasing rate. I will put Kenny in my nightly prayers and ask our Father in Heaven to extend mercy to him and to grant him peace in whatever the outcome may be. I will send him a card. Thanks for letting us know. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: [SEL] A sad day Hi all : It was a sad day here around Baraboo today as I found out one of my best friends has 3 brain tumors and lung cancer , His name is Kenny Johnson , Some of you who attended the last two Badger Steam And Gas shows might know who I'm talking about as he was with me both years , He is the one who built the all oak tractor and wagon and also the Horseless Carriage we had at the shows , he has also built a wood automatic can smasher driven by flat belt which if possible I will have at the Badger 2007 show , you must see it . the man can build anything out of wood and its better than any furniture you can buy. I'm hoping some of you may send a get well card to help cheer him up , we don't know how long he has or if radiation will help , he is 76 years old , a retired farmer and truck driver , he drives semi for Skinner Transfer Corp. in Reedsburg Wi. the same place I work , also He does not have a computer or Email address , Thanks for your support in advance , Kenny's address Ken Johnson 1011 8th St. Reedsburg, Wi. 53959 Rex Hinz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at verizon.net Thu Jan 25 06:37:05 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:37:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> Paul, Make your own rivets from nails. Cut them to the right length and put the heads on the inside and peen on the outside. Put a heavy pipe in a vice to use for the anvil. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 5:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Riveting Guys I want to put a new shell on my muffler for my Stover and I want do my best to maintain originality. Look at this picture of my muffler, I sandblasted just the area where the rivets are so you could see them clearly. I do not want to use pop rivets so what is the best method to use to replicate these rivets. What kind of tools will I have to have to do the job or maybe it would be best to send the shell to someone who could make a new shell with the rivets. Just let me know what is the best method. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler396.jpg Thanks for the help. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jan 25 06:49:12 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:49:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <45B8C368.9020207@imc-group.com> Paul, Go down to your local industrial fastener house and buy some 1/8" hot rivets about a 1/4" long. Roll and drill 2 holes, one on each end. Hot rivet those. Then drill a hole at the mid point and hot rivet it. Then fill in the rest. You'll enjoy hot riveting.....it's quite fun. I did both saw tables on the Herc and Famous engines. Did the Stover use galvanized like the IHC engines? or plain sheet? If plain are you going to age it first? Has anyone had luck with aging techniques for galvanized? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Paul Maples wrote: >Guys I want to put a new shell on my muffler for my Stover and I want do my best to maintain originality. Look at this picture of my muffler, I sandblasted just the area where the rivets are so you could see them clearly. I do not want to use pop rivets so what is the best method to use to replicate these rivets. What kind of tools will I have to have to do the job or maybe it would be best to send the shell to someone who could make a new shell with the rivets. Just let me know what is the best method. > >http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler396.jpg > >Thanks for the help. > >Paul > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Jan 25 07:07:40 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:07:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <003901c74092$8f6d5b20$b9a4f504@Ed> Hi Paul, I get rivets at a hardware store that is abut 150 years old. I have to dig thru a little dust , but what is the diameter you need. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Riveting Guys I want to put a new shell on my muffler for my Stover and I want do my best to maintain originality. Look at this picture of my muffler, I sandblasted just the area where the rivets are so you could see them clearly. I do not want to use pop rivets so what is the best method to use to replicate these rivets. What kind of tools will I have to have to do the job or maybe it would be best to send the shell to someone who could make a new shell with the rivets. Just let me know what is the best method. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler396.jpg Thanks for the help. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jan 25 08:37:24 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:37:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <45B8DCC4.8090806@imc-group.com> VERY clever Glenn! Curt Glenn Karch wrote: > Paul, > > Make your own rivets from nails. Cut them to the right length and put > the heads on the inside and peen on the outside. Put a heavy pipe in > a vice to use for the anvil. > > Glenn Karch > Hercules Historian > H From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Jan 25 11:59:37 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:59:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <001001c740bb$57baf240$336d4b47@mikecomp> Paul: Unless the thing has rusted out holes in it, why mess with an original muffler? At best, paint it. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Riveting Guys I want to put a new shell on my muffler for my Stover and I want do my best to maintain originality. Look at this picture of my muffler, I sandblasted just the area where the rivets are so you could see them clearly. I do not want to use pop rivets so what is the best method to use to replicate these rivets. What kind of tools will I have to have to do the job or maybe it would be best to send the shell to someone who could make a new shell with the rivets. Just let me know what is the best method. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler396.jpg Thanks for the help. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at cybertron.com Thu Jan 25 12:35:01 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:35:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <45B8DCC4.8090806@imc-group.com> Message-ID: All I can say is that I've learned a lot from the discussion of rivets and how to make and install them. It's a really riveting subject! Okay, OKAY!!!! Alright already! I'll go back to sleep now! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:37 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > > > VERY clever Glenn! > Curt > > Glenn Karch wrote: > > > Paul, > > > > Make your own rivets from nails. Cut them to > the right length and put > > the heads on the inside and peen on the > outside. Put a heavy pipe in > > a vice to use for the anvil. > > > > Glenn Karch From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 25 12:44:33 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:44:33 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Spencer Yost ?? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070125223605.00ad1ab8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Does anyone have contact with Spencer? I have sent him several mails regarding my Payment to the Holiday Charity Auction as well as a PayPal payment that has remained unclaimed but have had no response from him. I also posted to this list for him to contact me but all to no avail. It seems that he may be away or something as I am not the only one with this problem. One of the items I offered on the auction has already reached the buyer and he is also battling to contact Spencer to make payment. I have in the meantime cancelled the Paypal payment and will set it up again when I find Spencer. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From nick at holden1.net Thu Jan 25 13:01:48 2007 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:01:48 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Cat 955K Message-ID: <45B91AB9.000003.03428@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Clint Cat 955K with 3304 engine Step 1 Tighten all bolts in sequence to 115 lb ft Step 2 " " " " " " " to 185+ - 13 lb ft Step 3 repeat step 2 Step 4 tighten the 5 bolts behind the rocker shaft to 32 + - 5 lb ft Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From driggars at wildblue.net Thu Jan 25 14:02:47 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:02:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cat 955K In-Reply-To: <45B91AB9.000003.03428@YOUR-447023AE6B> References: <45B91AB9.000003.03428@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <45B92907.6000700@wildblue.net> Nick Thanks , some one sent me the sheet for the torques specs on it. today I fired it off and its running and purrs like a kitten sucking mommies tit! next will be finding a over haul kit for an old Cat 12 8T grader, D318 engine Clint Nick Holden wrote: > Hi Clint > > > > Cat 955K with 3304 engine > > > > Step 1 Tighten all bolts in sequence to 115 lb ft > > Step 2 " " " " " " " to 185+ - 13 lb ft > > Step 3 repeat step 2 > > Step 4 tighten the 5 bolts behind the rocker shaft to 32 + - 5 lb ft > > > > > > Nick > > Banbury (UK) > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jan 25 14:53:12 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:53:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spencer Yost ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070125223605.00ad1ab8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070125223605.00ad1ab8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070125174834.04937118@mail.alltel.net> Hi Jerry (and Others on ATIS), I talked to Spencer last night. He has been waiting until most of the auction payments have been received in order to take care of them all at one time. I believe that he said that that process will start next week. I think we will all hear from Spencer soon! Dave >Hi All, > Does anyone have contact with Spencer? > I have sent him several mails regarding my Payment to the Holiday > Charity Auction as well as a PayPal payment that has remained unclaimed > but have had no response from him. I also posted to this list for him to > contact me but all to no avail. > It seems that he may be away or something as I am not the only > one with this problem. One of the items I offered on the auction has > already reached the buyer and he is also battling to contact Spencer to > make payment. > I have in the meantime cancelled the Paypal payment and will set > it up again when I find Spencer. > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 15:02:46 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:02:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001001c740bb$57baf240$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <005401c740d4$eddc9850$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I use what are called here "Tin man's rivets", the soft iron rivet used by Tin Smiths (another dieing trade) for joining sheets. Also that trade comes with special tools for holding the round rivet head so it is not distorted. Then you pein the inside where it cannot be seen. I will put some photos on my web site later when I dig the tools out. I have used them but the rivets are hard to find. When ever I find an old hardware store that sells them I buy heaps. And YES they are usually in dusty old boxes. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > Guys I want to put a new shell on my muffler for my Stover and I want do > my best to maintain originality. Look at this picture of my muffler, I > sandblasted just the area where the rivets are so you could see them > clearly. I do not want to use pop rivets so what is the best method to use > to replicate these rivets. What kind of tools will I have to have to do > the job or maybe it would be best to send the shell to someone who could > make a new shell with the rivets. Just let me know what is the best > method. > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler396.jpg > > Thanks for the help. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 16:05:25 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:05:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Glenn sounds like something I need to experiment with to see if I can get the hang of it. It seems like I would need a special forming tool for the outside heads or they would all be different. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Karch" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Paul, > > Make your own rivets from nails. Cut them to the right length and put the > heads on the inside and peen on the outside. Put a heavy pipe in a vice > to use for the anvil. > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 16:07:37 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:07:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <003901c74092$8f6d5b20$b9a4f504@Ed> Message-ID: <006801c740dd$fd69d4f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Ed I have not taken the muffler apart yet so I am not sure of the exact size of the rivets, I plan on taking it apart this weekend and then I will let you know. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed stoller" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Hi Paul, > > I get rivets at a hardware store that is abut 150 years old. I have to > dig thru a little dust , but what is the diameter you need. > > Ed Stoller > /listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 16:10:35 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:10:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001001c740bb$57baf240$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <007301c740de$679cb8b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Mike the metal is really pitted and now that I am restoring it I felt I might as well go ahead and renew the muffler. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Paul: > > Unless the thing has rusted out holes in it, why mess with an original > muffler? At best, paint it. > > Mike Royster > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 16:13:31 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:13:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001001c740bb$57baf240$336d4b47@mikecomp> <005401c740d4$eddc9850$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <007801c740de$d0974380$240110ac@FAMILY> Peter we have a couple of sheet metal shops here in my little town but I am willing to bet you they don't have any of these rivets but I will call tomorrow and find out and let you know. I will be anxiously awaiting to see your photos you will post later on your website, just let me know when you have them downloaded. Also Peter I see where you refer to a special tool for holding the heads so they do not get distorted. I am afraid if try to do this by eye the rivets will looked like smashed eggs at best. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Hi all > I use what are called here "Tin man's rivets", the soft iron rivet used by > Tin Smiths (another dieing trade) for joining sheets. Also that trade > comes with special tools for holding the round rivet head so it is not > distorted. Then you pein the inside where it cannot be seen. > I will put some photos on my web site later when I dig the tools out. I > have From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 25 16:33:51 2007 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:33:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <007801c740de$d0974380$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <410658.73302.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul, Go to www.mcmaster.com They have all kinds of rivet material, size, length, and head type. They also have a rivet setter for shaping heads etc. You can order on line from them. and delivery is excelent. Ron Paul Maples wrote: Peter we have a couple of sheet metal shops here in my little town but I am willing to bet you they don't have any of these rivets but I will call tomorrow and find out and let you know. I will be anxiously awaiting to see your photos you will post later on your website, just let me know when you have them downloaded. Also Peter I see where you refer to a special tool for holding the heads so they do not get distorted. I am afraid if try to do this by eye the rivets will looked like smashed eggs at best. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Hi all > I use what are called here "Tin man's rivets", the soft iron rivet used by > Tin Smiths (another dieing trade) for joining sheets. Also that trade > comes with special tools for holding the round rivet head so it is not > distorted. Then you pein the inside where it cannot be seen. > I will put some photos on my web site later when I dig the tools out. I > have _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jan 25 17:56:53 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:56:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <45B95FE5.3040003@telenet.net> If you want the heads to all be the same you can make a heading tool easily. Just use the proper sized drill bit to drill a dimple the depth you need in a piece of drill rod. Then to make it rounded instead of cone shaped use a burr file in the drill and make it into a rounded shape. You could also cheat a bit and drill bigger holes (if needed) and use the rivets for mower sections that are sold at Tractor Supply. Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Glenn sounds like something I need to experiment with to see if I can > get the hang of it. It seems like I would need a special forming tool > for the outside heads or they would all be different. Do you just go by > feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Karch" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > > >> Paul, >> >> Make your own rivets from nails. Cut them to the right length and put >> the heads on the inside and peen on the outside. Put a heavy pipe in >> a vice to use for the anvil. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Jan 25 17:57:51 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:57:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001001c740bb$57baf240$336d4b47@mikecomp> <007301c740de$679cb8b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <001001c740ed$636049b0$336d4b47@mikecomp> Just a matter of preference! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Mike the metal is really pitted and now that I am restoring it I felt I > might as well go ahead and renew the muffler. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Royster" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > > >> Paul: >> >> Unless the thing has rusted out holes in it, why mess with an original >> muffler? At best, paint it. >> >> Mike Royster >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jan 25 18:48:36 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:48:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> >. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. >Paul Even I am NOT going to touch that one! Dave PS, Hi Marion! From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 19:18:40 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:18:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Dave A head forming tool, hang on and I will go out to my shed, take a photo and make a web page. 1/2 hour Peter, Oz > >>. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. >>Paul > > Even I am NOT going to touch that one! > Dave > PS, Hi Marion! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 19:22:03 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:22:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001401c740f9$26edc6e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Only Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - How you doing you old coot? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > >>. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. >>Paul > > Even I am NOT going to touch that one! > Dave > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jan 25 19:49:12 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:49:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> <009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070125224751.04a50ec8@mail.alltel.net> ONLY an Englishman would reply in that way! Dave >Hi Dave >A head forming tool, hang on and I will go out to my shed, take a photo >and make a web page. 1/2 hour > >Peter, Oz > >> >>>. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. >>>Paul >> >>Even I am NOT going to touch that one! >> Dave From BillMil357 at aol.com Thu Jan 25 19:52:59 2007 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:52:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Riveting Message-ID: Paul, You left yourself wide open on that one. Bill Miller. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 20:00:20 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:00:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> <009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <002601c740fe$7faa5a50$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Peter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Hi Dave > A head forming tool, hang on and I will go out to my shed, take a photo > and make a web page. 1/2 hour > > Peter, Oz > >> From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 20:03:32 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:03:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> <001401c740f9$26edc6e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> Hi guys I am not the expert here but these are what I have and typically can't find the rest somewhere in my shed. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rivets.htm this is a dead link off my R&V site. You can see the form part of the tool, not sure what the hole is used for, I asked my Dad but he is not sure either. The other top hole goes down about 3/4" and has another hole coming in from the edge??? Also look at: http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=9354 As has already been said, you can just shape a drill bit and drill into the end of a steel block, that then forms the head of the rivet. A piece of steel bar or flat can be used to flatten the rear side. I have used large welding rods, clean off the flux and cut to length, the tool will form a head for you, Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 16:06:42 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:06:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <45B8C368.9020207@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006301c740dd$dc6d01f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Curt but do you use a special forming tool in order to get all the heads looking the same? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Paul, > Go down to your local industrial fastener house and buy some 1/8" hot > rivets about a 1/4" long. Roll and drill 2 holes, one on each end. Hot > rivet those. Then drill a hole at the mid point and hot rivet it. Then > fill in the rest. You'll enjoy hot riveting.....it's quite fun. I did both > saw tables on the Herc and Famous engines. > Did the Stover use galvanized like the IHC engines? or plain sheet? If > plain are you going to age it first? > Has anyone had luck with aging techniques for galvanized? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Thu Jan 25 20:18:05 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:18:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> <009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <200701252318730.SM05916@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Here's what you need Paul: http://cgi.ebay.com/10-PC-TINNERS-FORGED-STEEL-RIVET-SET-BLACKSMITH-ANVIL_W0QQitemZ170073319766QQihZ007QQcategoryZ13869QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170073319766 Keith At 09:18 PM 1/25/2007, you wrote: >Hi Dave >A head forming tool, hang on and I will go out to my shed, take a >photo and make a web page. 1/2 hour > >Peter, Oz > >> >>>. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. >>>Paul >> >>Even I am NOT going to touch that one! >> Dave >>PS, Hi Marion! >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: >1/24/2007 6:48 PM Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 20:20:15 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:20:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting Message-ID: <00bb01c74101$47cd2d30$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Here are more limks http://www.sapphireproducts.co.uk/4620t5.htm http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/automation/PDFs/tinman.pdf http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/automation/PDFs/dome.pdf http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/automation/PDFs/cntrflat.pdf Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 20:21:50 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:21:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net><001401c740f9$26edc6e0$240110ac@FAMILY> <00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <003801c74101$81bf7750$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Peter, pictures sure help a dumb person understand. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Hi guys > > I am not the expert here but these are what I have and typically can't > find the rest somewhere in my shed. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rivets.htm this is a > dead link off my R&V site. > You can see the form part of the tool, not sure what the hole is used for, > I asked my Dad but he is not sure either. The other top hole goes down > about 3/4" and has another hole coming in from the edge??? > > Also look at: > http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=9354 From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 20:23:09 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:23:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><45B8C368.9020207@imc-group.com> <006301c740dd$dc6d01f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <00c101c74101$afbcb0a0$0601a8c0@altech> YES Peter, Oz > Ok Curt but do you use a special forming tool in order to get all the > heads looking the same? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > > >> Paul, >> Go down to your local industrial fastener house and buy some 1/8" hot >> rivets about a 1/4" long. Roll and drill 2 holes, one on each end. Hot >> rivet those. Then drill a hole at the mid point and hot rivet it. Then >> fill in the rest. You'll enjoy hot riveting.....it's quite fun. I did >> both saw tables on the Herc and Famous engines. >> Did the Stover use galvanized like the IHC engines? or plain sheet? If >> plain are you going to age it first? >> Has anyone had luck with aging techniques for galvanized? >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Jan 25 20:44:39 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:44:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Riveting Message-ID: <20070125.204439.2232.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> G'day Peter. The hole beside the dimple is to put over the end of the rivet after it has been inserted in the two pieces of metal. It compresses everything together before mashing the rivet down over them. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:03:32 +1100 "Peter Lowe" writes: > Hi guys > > I am not the expert here but these are what I have and typically > can't find > the rest somewhere in my shed. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rivets.htm this is > a dead > link off my R&V site. > You can see the form part of the tool, not sure what the hole is > used for, I > asked my Dad but he is not sure either. The other top hole goes down > about > 3/4" and has another hole coming in from the edge??? > > Also look at: > http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=9354 > > As has already been said, you can just shape a drill bit and drill > into the > end of a steel block, that then forms the head of the rivet. A piece > of > steel bar or flat can be used to flatten the rear side. > I have used large welding rods, clean off the flux and cut to > length, the > tool will form a head for you, > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 20:52:01 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:52:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net><001401c740f9$26edc6e0$240110ac@FAMILY><00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> <003801c74101$81bf7750$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <00c701c74105$b81ba590$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Paul No one of this forum is dumb, that is why this is such a great group. There are all walks of life and experiecnes here. I would bid on that eBay stuff but the postage to Oz in a killer ;-((( Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Thanks Peter, pictures sure help a dumb person understand. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > > >> Hi guys >> >> I am not the expert here but these are what I have and typically can't >> find the rest somewhere in my shed. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rivets.htm this is a >> dead link off my R&V site. >> You can see the form part of the tool, not sure what the hole is used >> for, I asked my Dad but he is not sure either. The other top hole goes >> down about 3/4" and has another hole coming in from the edge??? >> >> Also look at: >> http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=9354 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jan 25 20:57:00 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:57:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> <001401c740f9$26edc6e0$240110ac@FAMILY> <00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <45B98A1C.6020303@telenet.net> Those are rivet staking/setting tools in that bottom picture. To use them you put the rivet through the parts with the preformed head on the inside. Make sure that the rivet is long enough (usually you need twice the diameter of the rivet to form a head. Put the rivet on a suitable riveting buck (anvil horn or solid hunk of steel) Then you take the heading tools you show in those pictures. Pick the one you need for the rivet diameter. Slide the hole down over the rivet and hit the header once to tighten the parts. Now you take the hammer and hit the rivet stem STRAIGHT down once. This will upset the rivet and lock the parts together. Now you take a hammer and form the head down until it is ready for the final forming which is what you use the hollow depression for. Put it on the head area you are forming and give the tool a GOOD SOLID HIT and it should form the head into a nice even shape. Most of the staking and heading tools I have are home smithed tools. Maybe a project for a budding blacksmith on the list..... Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi guys > > I am not the expert here but these are what I have and typically can't > find the rest somewhere in my shed. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rivets.htm this is a > dead link off my R&V site. > You can see the form part of the tool, not sure what the hole is used > for, I asked my Dad but he is not sure either. The other top hole goes > down about 3/4" and has another hole coming in from the edge??? > > Also look at: > http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=9354 > > As has already been said, you can just shape a drill bit and drill into > the end of a steel block, that then forms the head of the rivet. A piece > of steel bar or flat can be used to flatten the rear side. > I have used large welding rods, clean off the flux and cut to length, > the tool will form a head for you, > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jan 25 21:02:35 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:02:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <45B95FE5.3040003@telenet.net> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> <45B95FE5.3040003@telenet.net> Message-ID: <45B98B6B.5060409@telenet.net> More rivets than you could ever want.... http://www.rivetsinstock.com/ http://www.hansonrivet.com/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 17:05:19 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:05:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <410658.73302.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009d01c740e6$0d04e9b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Ron, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Paul, Go to www.mcmaster.com They have all kinds of rivet material, size, > length, and head type. They also have a rivet setter for shaping heads > etc. You can order on line from them. and delivery is excelent. > Ron > > > Paul Maples wrote: > Peter we have a couple of sheet metal shops here in my little town but I > am > willing to bet you they don't have any of these rivets but I will call > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 25 21:22:05 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:22:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><45B95FE5.3040003@telenet.net> <45B98B6B.5060409@telenet.net> Message-ID: <00cd01c74109$eafe6480$0601a8c0@altech> WOW Steve, great work my friend. Peter, Oz > > More rivets than you could ever want.... > > http://www.rivetsinstock.com/ > http://www.hansonrivet.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jan 25 23:59:12 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:59:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Oz Day Message-ID: <20070126080018.XRQV19269.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> A happy Australia Day to everyone in Oz :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jan 26 01:24:13 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:24:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Oz Day References: <20070126080018.XRQV19269.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <018001c7412b$c4d6a930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Went to Australia day show at the Ncle foreshore. I tossed it in at 2.30 as it was getting way too hot. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:59 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Oz Day >A happy Australia Day to everyone in Oz :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jan 26 01:49:52 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:49:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net><009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> <200701252318730.SM05916@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: and an assortment of Cleco's sure don't hurt either..see 110081561079 on that other site. Kit also available from McMaster, Paul. Good Luck, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Here's what you need Paul: > http://cgi.ebay.com/10-PC-TINNERS-FORGED-STEEL-RIVET-SET-BLACKSMITH-ANVIL_W0QQitemZ170073319766QQihZ007QQcategoryZ13869QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170073319766 > > Keith > > > > At 09:18 PM 1/25/2007, you wrote: > >Hi Dave > >A head forming tool, hang on and I will go out to my shed, take a > >photo and make a web page. 1/2 hour > > > >Peter, Oz > > > >> > >>>. Do you just go by feel and sight or do you have a head forming tool. > >>>Paul > >> > >>Even I am NOT going to touch that one! > >> Dave > >>PS, Hi Marion! > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: > >1/24/2007 6:48 PM > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 03:58:34 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:58:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <00bb01c74101$47cd2d30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001101c74141$4ef04f80$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Peter, you are a great help to me and I appreciate it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Hi all > > Here are more limks > http://www.sapphireproducts.co.uk/4620t5.htm > > http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/automation/PDFs/tinman.pdf > > http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/automation/PDFs/dome.pdf > > http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/automation/PDFs/cntrflat.pdf > > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 04:01:42 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:01:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net><009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech> <200701252318730.SM05916@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <001801c74141$bee496c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Keith, I am bidding on it in the background. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > Here's what you need Paul: > http://cgi.ebay.com/10-PC-TINNERS-FORGED-STEEL-RIVET-SET-BLACKSMITH-ANVIL_W0QQitemZ170073319766QQihZ007QQcategoryZ13869QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170073319766 > > Keith > > > > At 09:18 PM 1/25/2007, you wrote: >>Hi Dave >> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 04:06:16 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:06:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><45B95FE5.3040003@telenet.net><45B98B6B.5060409@telenet.net> <00cd01c74109$eafe6480$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <002a01c74142$622e7fd0$240110ac@FAMILY> Guys I just want to say thanks to each and everyone of you for all the great information and advice you are giving and will continue to give me. I don't want to keep tying up bandwidth by saying thanks to each response but you know that I am grateful for the friendship and help that each of you so generously give me. Thanks so much and keep those letters and cards coming in. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > WOW Steve, great work my friend. > Peter, Oz > > > > >> From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Jan 26 04:26:09 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:26:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net><009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech><200701252318730.SM05916@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <001801c74141$bee496c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <001801c74145$292751a0$0601a8c0@altech> I think he is making a few dollars out of the postage. His rate is $15.11 from NY to LA when I did a costing to Rob's I had a large heavy R&V muffler send from Lee Pederson's in Lynbrook, NY to Rob's in LA for $3. He wants $45US to Oz, if WAS going to bid, but they are yours Paul ;-))) Peter, Oz > Thanks Keith, I am bidding on it in the background. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Kinney" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:18 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting > > >> Here's what you need Paul: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/10-PC-TINNERS-FORGED-STEEL-RIVET-SET-BLACKSMITH-ANVIL_W0QQitemZ170073319766QQihZ007QQcategoryZ13869QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170073319766 >> >> Keith >> >> >> >> At 09:18 PM 1/25/2007, you wrote: >>>Hi Dave >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Fri Jan 26 07:53:02 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:53:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91> <005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net> <001401c740f9$26edc6e0$240110ac@FAMILY> <00a901c740fe$f1b72150$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070126125334.8296F22848B@md5.pennswoods.net> Peter you did not post a photo of the most important tool. HAMMER R Fink PA At 03:03 PM 1/26/2007 +1100, you wrote: >Hi guys > >I am not the expert here but these are what I have and typically >can't find the rest somewhere in my shed. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rivets.htm this is >a dead link off my R&V site. >You can see the form part of the tool, not sure what the hole is >used for, I asked my Dad but he is not sure either. The other top >hole goes down about 3/4" and has another hole coming in from the edge??? > >Also look at: >http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=9354 > >As has already been said, you can just shape a drill bit and drill >into the end of a steel block, that then forms the head of the >rivet. A piece of steel bar or flat can be used to flatten the rear side. >I have used large welding rods, clean off the flux and cut to >length, the tool will form a head for you, > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 05:09:56 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:09:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Riveting References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY><001201c7408e$4a497410$9da4123f@D8LJ7K91><005e01c740dd$aee26090$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070125214736.04a2dea8@mail.alltel.net><009f01c740f8$ad451000$0601a8c0@altech><200701252318730.SM05916@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com><001801c74141$bee496c0$240110ac@FAMILY> <001801c74145$292751a0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <007d01c7414b$4762fa10$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Peter but I see there are four other bidders and the "reserve price" has not been reached yet but I do have in a fair bid on it so we will see how this turns out. At lease I now know what all I need and how to do the job thanks to you and all the fine folks on the list. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Riveting >I think he is making a few dollars out of the postage. His rate is $15.11 >from NY to LA when I did a costing to Rob's > I had a large heavy R&V muffler send from Lee Pederson's in Lynbrook, NY > to Rob's in LA for $3. > He wants $45US to Oz, if WAS going to bid, but they are yours Paul ;-))) > > Peter, Oz > > From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jan 26 04:44:40 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:44:40 EST Subject: [SEL] Riveting Message-ID: In a message dated 1/26/2007 12:26:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, falcon at telenet.net writes: Now you take a hammer and form the head down until it is ready for the final forming which is what you use the hollow depression for. Put it on the head area you are forming and give the tool a GOOD SOLID HIT and it should form the head into a nice even shape. Peter, It should also be noted that this works best when the rivet is of the proper length. Too long or too short and it will end up being a royal mess. Paul would be best to practice with some scrap metal of the same thickness as his muffler. He may have to shorten the length of the rivet to make a nice job. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 26 07:28:55 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:28:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Oy! Oy! Oy! Message-ID: To my mates down under: Pour a glass of Bundy, Throw another 'roo chop on the barbie, Have a bonzer Australia Day. Rob From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jan 26 07:50:04 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:50:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Riveting In-Reply-To: <006301c740dd$dc6d01f0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <004901c74076$d392cb80$240110ac@FAMILY> <45B8C368.9020207@imc-group.com> <006301c740dd$dc6d01f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <45BA232C.4080608@imc-group.com> Paul, If you are really concerned about the look of the peaned head then put the hot rivet head on the outside. To buck a hot rivet put your smallest tip on your ox/actl. welder and heat the inside portion (the shank) red hot. Then take your small hammer and work the inside down until flush. Being hot you'll only need a few hits to get it right. Curt Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Curt but do you use a special forming tool in order to get all the > heads looking the same? > > Paul > > >> Paul, >> Go down to your local industrial fastener house and buy some 1/8" hot >> rivets about a 1/4" long. Roll and drill 2 holes, one on each end. >> Hot rivet those. Then drill a hole at the mid point and hot rivet it. >> Then fill in the rest. You'll enjoy hot riveting.....it's quite fun. >> I did both saw tables on the Herc and Famous engines. >> Did the Stover use galvanized like the IHC engines? or plain sheet? >> If plain are you going to age it first? >> Has anyone had luck with aging techniques for galvanized? > From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Jan 26 12:42:39 2007 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:42:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Riveting In-Reply-To: <200701261700.l0QH03pq002637@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Seems that there is some expertise with riveting on the list. I think that they need to perform a demonstation at the SIAM show this year. I just happen to know where there is a steamer needing a new smoke stack with lots of rivets (grin) See ya June 8-10 _________________________________________________________________ Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Jan 26 12:44:00 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:44:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oy! Oy! Oy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070127074251.01e2db38@ncable.com.au> Good on ya Rob. Bloody ripper mate. for what it's worth don't mention the cricket either !!!! there could be some POMS on the list regards Russell At 02:28 AM 27/01/2007, you wrote: >To my mates down under: >Pour a glass of Bundy, >Throw another 'roo chop on the barbie, >Have a bonzer Australia Day. > >Rob > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From wilson at stny.rr.com Fri Jan 26 18:07:08 2007 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:07:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch In-Reply-To: <007d01c7414b$4762fa10$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Who amoungst us knows about propane torches? I want to purchase another one for soldering pipes and/or "brazing aluminum" with that funny rod. I have only had the cheepie ones that blow out if you tilt them. Thanks, Glenn From rex002 at centurytel.net Fri Jan 26 18:16:41 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:16:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oy! Oy! Oy! References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070127074251.01e2db38@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001401c741b9$2fefac20$6500a8c0@home> Happy Late Aussie Day all of you ! May your headaches go away within the next day or two REx. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Oy! Oy! Oy! > Good on ya Rob. Bloody ripper mate. > > for what it's worth don't mention the cricket either !!!! there could be > some POMS on the list > regards Russell > > > > At 02:28 AM 27/01/2007, you wrote: > >>To my mates down under: >>Pour a glass of Bundy, >>Throw another 'roo chop on the barbie, >>Have a bonzer Australia Day. >> >>Rob >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Jan 26 18:52:28 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:52:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch Message-ID: <20070126.215244.252.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Glenn, Why don't ya go with a plumber's Acetyline torch ? We used to use propane torches in the vinyl / asbestos tile trade. But, today, they just use the small ones due to fire regulations. For some reason, we aren't allowed to take a tank & torch on the job. I have one from a company called Goss Gas here in Glenshaw, (Pittsburgh,) PA. You can run it at idle and there is a lever that allows a good blast of propane when you want to use it. We also use a regulator on the tank. We used the 10 lb tank which was short & stubby compared to the 20 lb used on Propane Grills. A torch setup back then ( 10-20 years ago ) cost around $150 Probably over $250 now. Check out their site - http://www.gossonline.com/site/combination_torch_&_tip.php Pan down to # AP-55 (Ready Flame Propane Torch) A bit of an over-kill to solder pipes but nice to have. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Jan 26 19:42:40 2007 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:42:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch Message-ID: <410-22007162734240265@earthlink.net> You can get a map gas torch for about $20 at many of the different home builder type stores. You can lay them on their side and they won't go out. They will heat up copper for soldering in less than 30 sec's, Iv'e also used one for silver solder with good results. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Glenn Wilson > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 1/26/2007 8:15:21 PM > Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch > > Who amoungst us knows about propane torches? > I want to purchase another one for soldering pipes and/or "brazing aluminum" > with that funny rod. > I have only had the cheepie ones that blow out if you tilt them. > Thanks, Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 16:53:00 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:53:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More Rivet Pictures on Muffler Message-ID: <008d01c741ad$7efb6220$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Gang I took the muffler apart today and got some more pictures and measurements. As you will remember here is a picture of the line of rivets on the outside of the muffler: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler397.jpg I measured the top of the rivet on the outside of the muffler shell and it is roughly 1/4": http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler398.jpg Looking inside of the shell where the end of the rivet was bucked the head is roughly 3/8" in diameter: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler399.jpg As best as I can measure the thickness of the shell (single layer) using my vernier it is roughly .043 and I say roughly as the metal on the shell is heavily rusted. This would make the lap joint thickness about .086 or somewhere in there: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler400.jpg So now I need to select the right size rivet, the right length, the right staking and setting tool and get with it. There are 13 rivets. So now you rivet experts come through for me and fill in what I need and then I will try and get it. To get a rivet with the head you see in the picture do I order a special rivet or just use a special staking and setting tool to get the head design? Since the top of the rivet head is about 1/4" and the bottom of the rivet where it is peened over is about 3/8" what shaft size rivet would you suggest I get? And since the total thickness of the lapped joint appears to be about .086 thickness what length would you suggest I get? Thanks for the help. Paul From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Jan 27 03:18:52 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:18:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] More Rivet Pictures on Muffler Message-ID: <012720071118.25565.45BB351C0003BCC0000063DD219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Ok Paul got to get my 2 cents in. Why are you even making a new muffler? Looks to me like the one you have after sandblasting and painting will last your life time anyway! Besides that mine is identical to yours and after cleaning,etc. is looking and working fine. Curt > Ok Gang I took the muffler apart today and got some more pictures and > measurements. As you will remember here is a picture of the line of rivets on > the outside of the muffler: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler397.jpg > > I measured the top of the rivet on the outside of the muffler shell and it is > roughly 1/4": > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler398.jpg > > Looking inside of the shell where the end of the rivet was bucked the head is > roughly 3/8" in diameter: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler399.jpg > > As best as I can measure the thickness of the shell (single layer) using my > vernier it is roughly .043 and I say roughly as the metal on the shell is > heavily rusted. This would make the lap joint thickness about .086 or somewhere > in there: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler400.jpg > > So now I need to select the right size rivet, the right length, the right > staking and setting tool and get with it. There are 13 rivets. So now you rivet > experts come through for me and fill in what I need and then I will try and get > it. To get a rivet with the head you see in the picture do I order a special > rivet or just use a special staking and setting tool to get the head design? > Since the top of the rivet head is about 1/4" and the bottom of the rivet where > it is peened over is about 3/8" what shaft size rivet would you suggest I get? > And since the total thickness of the lapped joint appears to be about .086 > thickness what length would you suggest I get? > > Thanks for the help. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig at telus.net Sat Jan 27 06:33:51 2007 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:33:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] More Rivet Pictures on Muffler In-Reply-To: <008d01c741ad$7efb6220$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <008d01c741ad$7efb6220$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <45BB62CF.3050304@telus.net> Hello Paul, I just looked it up in my book on aircraft riveting. This is for aluminum rivets but info for steel rivets should be similar. It tells me to use a 3/32" brazier head rivet 1/4" long to get heads that would look similar to those in the pictures. The riveting was most likely done at the factory using a squeeze riveting machine. It's not worth heating a rivet that small as it would cool before you could do any head forming. This is how I would do it- Install the rivet from the inside and use a heavy bar mounted in a vise to hold the rivet in place and to use as a bucking bar for the inside. I wouldn't be too concerned if the head gets deformed as it won't be seen anyway. You could drill or machine a dimple in the bar to set the rivet head into if you want to maintain the head shape. I would form the outside head with simple swift blows using about an 8 oz. hammer. The head will form as shown in your picture of the out side rivet head if you hit the end of the rivet squarely. This takes a bit of practice to get it right. The following formula give the proper dimensions of the formed head: dia. of formed head= 1 1/2 x dia. of rivet; thickness of formed head= 1/2 x dia. of rivet. A round head rivet should work well on the inside if you have trouble finding a brazier head rivet. Hope that helps you out. Rupert Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Gang I took the muffler apart today and got some more pictures and measurements. As you will remember here is a picture of the line of rivets on the outside of the muffler: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler397.jpg > > I measured the top of the rivet on the outside of the muffler shell and it is roughly 1/4": > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler398.jpg > > Looking inside of the shell where the end of the rivet was bucked the head is roughly 3/8" in diameter: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler399.jpg > > As best as I can measure the thickness of the shell (single layer) using my vernier it is roughly .043 and I say roughly as the metal on the shell is heavily rusted. This would make the lap joint thickness about .086 or somewhere in there: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildMuffler400.jpg > > So now I need to select the right size rivet, the right length, the right staking and setting tool and get with it. There are 13 rivets. So now you rivet experts come through for me and fill in what I need and then I will try and get it. To get a rivet with the head you see in the picture do I order a special rivet or just use a special staking and setting tool to get the head design? Since the top of the rivet head is about 1/4" and the bottom of the rivet where it is peened over is about 3/8" what shaft size rivet would you suggest I get? And since the total thickness of the lapped joint appears to be about .086 thickness what length would you suggest I get? > > Thanks for the help. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From wilson at stny.rr.com Sat Jan 27 09:35:18 2007 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:35:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch In-Reply-To: <410-22007162734240265@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Is map hotter? Why doesn't it go out when you tip it on its side? Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Tim Christoff Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:43 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Propane Torch You can get a map gas torch for about $20 at many of the different home builder type stores. You can lay them on their side and they won't go out. They will heat up copper for soldering in less than 30 sec's, Iv'e also used one for silver solder with good results. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Glenn Wilson > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 1/26/2007 8:15:21 PM > Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch > > Who amoungst us knows about propane torches? > I want to purchase another one for soldering pipes and/or "brazing aluminum" > with that funny rod. > I have only had the cheepie ones that blow out if you tilt them. > Thanks, Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 27 09:45:58 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:45:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch References: Message-ID: MAPP is hotter, Glenn. Here's a good site and BernzOmatic seems to be the standard: http://www.bernzomatic.com/bernzomatic/consumer/jhtml/index.jhtml?_requestid=103046 RickinMt. > Is map hotter? > Why doesn't it go out when you tip it on its side? > Glenn From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jan 27 10:14:13 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:14:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch In-Reply-To: References: <410-22007162734240265@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070127131321.0cebd608@mail.alltel.net> Hi Glenn, At 12:35 PM 1/27/2007, you wrote: >Is map hotter? YES! >Why doesn't it go out when you tip it on its side? Magic! >Glenn Dave >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Tim >Christoff >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:43 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] Propane Torch > > >You can get a map gas torch for about $20 at many of the different home >builder type stores. You can lay them on their side and they won't go out. >They will heat up copper for soldering in less than 30 sec's, Iv'e also >used one for silver solder with good results. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Glenn Wilson > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 1/26/2007 8:15:21 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch > > > > Who amoungst us knows about propane torches? > > I want to purchase another one for soldering pipes and/or "brazing >aluminum" > > with that funny rod. > > I have only had the cheepie ones that blow out if you tilt them. > > Thanks, Glenn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From enginepaul at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 10:15:58 2007 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:15:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch In-Reply-To: References: <410-22007162734240265@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0701271015g7d160ce7ta2499e2a1f4c5c80@mail.gmail.com> I don't know about the aluminum use - I've never tried it, but I have soldered some copper before. MAPP burns hotter than propane and is your best bet. (MAPP gas is made by combining liquefied petroleum gas with Methylacetylene-Propadiene.) Acetylene is the best if you are doing a lot of plumbing work; but for most people, even small contractors, the mapp or propane is more convenient. Get a flexible hose set-up. They aren't very expensive but are very helpful in many plumbing situations; much better than the head attached to a cylinder. The solder make a difference too. The Harris company makes many different kinds for special work, but you would probably find what you need at a plumbing supply store - not sure about Home depot type places. Harris even has a low temperature silver solder that is require in some underground installations if you are getting permits. That's all I can think of for now Paul Former contractor in SanFran From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Jan 27 10:23:13 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:23:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane Torch In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070127131321.0cebd608@mail.alltel.net> References: <410-22007162734240265@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20070127131321.0cebd608@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <2c9e7566f8e8307881c2a1138172addc@chartertn.net> I've got a standard little propane torch, and if I let it warm up for a half minute or so, it doesn't go out when tipped on its side or upside down. It will when first lit and still cold. John From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Jan 27 21:30:40 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:30:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] just got back from India... Dave Rotigel would hate the place... Message-ID: <45BC3500.2090207@steamengine.com.au> I just got back from a work trip to India - I spent most of the time in the city of Chennai in the state of Tamil Nadu. Everywhere in this hugely crowded city there are little maytag like pop-pop noises. The source? A contraption called an Auto Rickshaw. They are basically a little three wheel enclosed motor bike - they monoplise the local taxi market because they can get through the ridiculous traffic. There seem to be three distinct generations, one powered by a maytag like twin, one powered by a machine a lot like a a villiers single, and a version powered by the motor you would find in your mower... The net result - 1.2 million little two stroke pop pops everywhere... imagine if Portland show was only Maytags and that is what you would hear (and smell) on every city block! Paul http://www.steamengine.com.au/personal/auto_rickshaw.jpg From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Jan 27 22:32:56 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:32:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Message-ID: <00c001c742a6$26418160$af44e5d8@HP28276676518> A little engine followed me home yesterday. It has Stuart cast on the crankcase behind the flywheel. There is only one flywheel which is solid with cast in pulley. It is a vertical with external pushrods and rocker are assembly on the head. The magneto is a Lucas and I find no name on the carb, just the word Birmingham. Is has a large gas tank for the size of the engine. There is a large rectangular copper cooling tank that is plumbed with brass pipe. The gas tank mounts to an upright pipe frame and the water tank sets on a board on he rack. I have posted some pics at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009664&a=32450641&f= I hope this works, this is the first time I have posted pics on a website. What I would like to find out is exactly what do I have? I would like to have an idea about what it was used for, how many horsepower and whether it looks like it may be complete. It is apparently a British engine. Perhaps someone can point me to a web site or two that might have information. Thank you in advance for any information you can share. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 01:23:15 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:23:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: New Engine In-Reply-To: <00c001c742a6$26418160$af44e5d8@HP28276676518> References: <00c001c742a6$26418160$af44e5d8@HP28276676518> Message-ID: <6f6025160701280123q2027b8bco52cb13bdce4ee4a4@mail.gmail.com> On 28/01/07, Gary Epps wrote: > > > A little engine followed me home yesterday. It has Stuart cast on the > crankcase behind the flywheel. There is only one flywheel which is solid > with cast in pulley. It is a vertical with external pushrods and rocker > are assembly on the head. The magneto is a Lucas and I find no name on the > carb, just the word Birmingham. Is has a large gas tank for the size of the > engine. There is a large rectangular copper cooling tank that is plumbed > with brass pipe. The gas tank mounts to an upright pipe frame and the water > tank sets on a board on he rack. I have posted some pics at > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009664&a=32450641&f= > > I hope this works, this is the first time I have posted pics on a website. > What I would like to find out is exactly what do I have? I would like to > have an idea about what it was used for, how many horsepower and whether it > looks like it may be complete. It is apparently a British engine. Perhaps > someone can point me to a web site or two that might have information. > Thank you in advance for any information you can share. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the > USA, where both life and I move slowly. Nice and clear pictures, Gary. Stuart-Turner made thousands of small power engines, mainly two-strokes, since the early 1900's, but they also turned out a very large range of models, and castings for making your own engines. They had a very nice series of small open-crank engines that are much sought-after these days. I am not a Stuart expert and don't have sufficient information to identify your engine, but it looks like it could be an unusual find as most of their engines were two-cycle. The few we have are mainly P55 marine twins and the two-stroke pressure-charged H2M diesel, details of that one on our website. The one guy who would have known about it is no longer with us, Brian Sharp was the expert on matters Stuart but he passed away a year or so ago and his collection sold. Production engine details and manuals are available from Fairways Marine for a fee. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Jan 28 03:43:06 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:43:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Headless Maytag Message-ID: <012820071143.23094.45BC8C4A0003D72600005A36219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Ok guys would like to know if there is such a thing as a headless maytag engine? Met some old coot the other day that claims is next door friend owns one (he is 91yrs old). Please don't tell me that "The Evil One" has been chopping in Northern Illinois either. thank you in advance. Curt Andree From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jan 28 05:37:29 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:37:29 EST Subject: [SEL] New Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/2007 1:56:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, garyepps at fidnet.com writes: A little engine followed me home yesterday. Gary, Your pictures posted fine and what a great little engine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Sun Jan 28 06:07:02 2007 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:07:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Headless Maytag In-Reply-To: <012820071143.23094.45BC8C4A0003D72600005A36219791332903010 CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070128090316.0224cb40@webmail.accnorwalk.com> At 11:43 AM 1/28/2007 +0000, you wrote: >Ok guys would like to know if there is such a thing as a headless maytag >engine? Met some old coot the other day that claims is next door friend owns >one (he is 91yrs old). Please don't tell me that "The Evil One" has been >chopping in Northern Illinois either. >thank you in advance. >Curt Andree >_______________________________________________ Curt, I would think all the Maytags would qualify as a headless design. Call Mark S and tell him I sent you to get a head for a Maytag. He'll have to get out the axe! Doug Tallman VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, Ohio, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jan 28 06:30:05 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:30:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Headless Maytag Message-ID: <20070128.093657.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Curt, I would consider the Maytag a "headless" engine / motor. The cylinder is the head. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jan 28 07:21:34 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:21:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Took Them This Long.... Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070128102124.0d0590c8@mail.alltel.net> ......to figure this out? See: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2570050,00.html Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 28 07:38:38 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:38:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 Message-ID: Well gang, this friend of mine is really on a roll. In less than three months, a Pig, Maytag 72, JD 3hp, and Novo Rollr are back up and running. And yes, he does burn the midnight oil. Arnie, I'd like to request a picture of that Rollr tag, and then will shoot it to Jerry. It's the only way I'll find mine TIA big time! I'll get some pictures up when he gets the Rollr top coated. She's a great runner and starts on the second pull-up..just like Arn said some while back. It does run warm, but he's running it around 1200 rpm for break-in. Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. The 72 initially ran on both cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the kicker....the non-firing plug wire HAS to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to fire. Probably not a good ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. Any ideas out there? Have a good'un!!! RickinMt. PS: Arnie...no big hurry...he mentioned it runs just fine without a tag. From rex002 at centurytel.net Sun Jan 28 08:33:56 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:33:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Took Them This Long.... References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070128102124.0d0590c8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000801c742fa$1b34f0a0$6500a8c0@home> Thanks for the link Dave ; That is one reason I don't like private auctions , I made up my mind not to bid on them , at least when you have a screen name you can check out a few things about him , better than nothing , I think on at least 3 things I won I got shrilled . oh the pain . but I wanted it bad and it was very shrilling to get it. REX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: [SEL] Took Them This Long.... > ......to figure this out? See: > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2570050,00.html > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at cybertron.com Sun Jan 28 08:41:58 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:41:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] just got back from India... Dave Rotigel would hate theplace... In-Reply-To: <45BC3500.2090207@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Paul: Cough, hack, sneeze, gag, wheeze! A terrible thought to behold! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul > Pavlinovich > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:31 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL > email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] just got back from India... Dave > Rotigel would hate > theplace... > > > I just got back from a work trip to India - I > spent most of the time in > the city of Chennai in the state of Tamil Nadu. > Everywhere in this > hugely crowded city there are little maytag like > pop-pop noises. The > source? A contraption called an Auto Rickshaw. > They are basically a > little three wheel enclosed motor bike - they > monoplise the local taxi > market because they can get through the > ridiculous traffic. There seem > to be three distinct generations, one powered by > a maytag like twin, one > powered by a machine a lot like a a villiers > single, and a version > powered by the motor you would find in your > mower... The net result - > 1.2 million little two stroke pop pops > everywhere... imagine if Portland > show was only Maytags and that is what you would > hear (and smell) on > every city block! > > Paul > > http://www.steamengine.com.au/personal/auto_rickshaw.jpg > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at cybertron.com Sun Jan 28 08:48:07 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:48:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: I'll bet the Maytag 2-bangers have a coil with neither end of the high voltage winding grounded - one end of the coil goes to a plug and both plugs fire at the same time. If the ignition is too puny to fire across two gaps, shorting one out will let the other one fire. I'll bet you can get it to run by shorting either plug. Could be wrong and prolly am. :-) Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 09:39 AM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > ............................snip > > Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. > The 72 initially ran on both > cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the > kicker....the non-firing plug wire HAS > to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to > fire. Probably not a good > ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. > > Any ideas out there? > > Have a good'un!!! > > RickinMt. From rex002 at centurytel.net Sun Jan 28 08:45:37 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:45:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re, A sad day Message-ID: <000f01c742fb$bd3b19a0$6500a8c0@home> Thanks to all who are Praying , sending a card or are even thinking of Kenny Johnson , He is in need of some real support , He is now under radiation treatments and hopefully it will extend his stay with us , I thank you all again , I will pass on any messages from you , and Thanks Dave,Curt and Paul , for the reply Rex Hinz From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 28 09:19:59 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:19:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elden's exactly right. How about the plugs? Clean and properly gapped? John On Jan 28, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Elden DuRand wrote: > Rick: > > I'll bet the Maytag 2-bangers have a coil with neither end of the high > voltage winding grounded - one end of the coil goes to a plug and both > plugs fire at the same time. > > If the ignition is too puny to fire across two gaps, shorting one out > will let the other one fire. I'll bet you can get it to run by > shorting either plug. > > Could be wrong and prolly am. :-) > > Take care - Elden John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 28 09:20:49 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:20:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: Message-ID: Will mention that to him, Elden. What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > Rick: > > I'll bet the Maytag 2-bangers have a coil with neither end of the high > voltage winding grounded - one end of the coil goes to a plug and both > plugs fire at the same time. > > If the ignition is too puny to fire across two gaps, shorting one out will > let the other one fire. I'll bet you can get it to run by shorting either > plug. > > Could be wrong and prolly am. :-) > > Take care - Elden > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard > > Strobel > > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 09:39 AM > > To: sel > > Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > > > ............................snip > > > > Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. > > The 72 initially ran on both > > cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the > > kicker....the non-firing plug wire HAS > > to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to > > fire. Probably not a good > > ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. > > > > Any ideas out there? > > > > Have a good'un!!! > > > > RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 28 09:29:29 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:29:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? One way is to grab hold of both plug tips and hang on till it stops. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jan 28 09:30:40 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:30:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070128122839.0d0b22b0@mail.alltel.net> > What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..?? > >Rick Funny you should ask. See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 28 09:27:50 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:27:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: Message-ID: I'll have him double check John...this guy flies and builds airplanes, so he's pretty skookum. And is he Hooked??? fun to be around. Gave him a saltblock the other day and now he's rolling with that..needs a mag gear...2hp. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > Elden's exactly right. > > How about the plugs? Clean and properly gapped? > > John > > On Jan 28, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Elden DuRand wrote: > > > Rick: > > > > I'll bet the Maytag 2-bangers have a coil with neither end of the high > > voltage winding grounded - one end of the coil goes to a plug and both > > plugs fire at the same time. > > > > If the ignition is too puny to fire across two gaps, shorting one out > > will let the other one fire. I'll bet you can get it to run by > > shorting either plug. > > > > Could be wrong and prolly am. :-) > > > > Take care - Elden > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Jan 28 09:32:30 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:32:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] molasses rust removal question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c74302$4b9f86d0$0100a8c0@l2800> Assuming a person buy "molasses feed" from a feed store, what would the ratio be to mix up a batch for "de-rusting" old parts? Bill Runnells, Iowa From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 28 08:48:47 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:48:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How about the axe? Properly installed half-way though the cylinder? On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, John Culp wrote: > How about the plugs? Clean and properly gapped? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 28 08:50:28 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:50:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You've GOT to be joking. One full-swing single bit axe stroke ought to do it. On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Richard Strobel wrote: > What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? From edurand at cybertron.com Sun Jan 28 09:51:17 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:51:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: Ask Dave! I'm sure he knows of a way. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:21 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > > Will mention that to him, Elden. > > What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? > > Rick From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 28 10:09:07 2007 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:09:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] molasses rust removal question In-Reply-To: <001b01c74302$4b9f86d0$0100a8c0@l2800> Message-ID: <473871.83125.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use that for derusting and I add about 25 lbs. to say 40 gal. of water. I don't think more would hurt and might do the job quicker. Ron Bill Dickerson wrote: Assuming a person buy "molasses feed" from a feed store, what would the ratio be to mix up a batch for "de-rusting" old parts? Bill Runnells, Iowa _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 28 10:20:02 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:20:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: Message-ID: I knew this was coming and see there's more on the way :-)) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > You've GOT to be joking. > One full-swing single bit axe stroke ought to do it. > > On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 28 10:26:32 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:26:32 -0000 Subject: [SEL] New Engine References: <00c001c742a6$26418160$af44e5d8@HP28276676518> Message-ID: <000d01c74309$d6fd9c60$e5c30b52@no1> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Epps" > To: ; "SEL" > > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:32 AM > Subject: New Engine > > > A little engine followed me home yesterday. It has Stuart cast on the > crankcase behind the flywheel. There is only one flywheel which is solid > with cast in pulley. It is a vertical with external pushrods and rocker > are assembly on the head. The magneto is a Lucas and I find no name on the > carb, just the word Birmingham. Is has a large gas tank for the size of the > engine. There is a large rectangular copper cooling tank that is plumbed > with brass pipe. The gas tank mounts to an upright pipe frame and the water > tank sets on a board on he rack. I have posted some pics at > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009664&a=32450641&f= > > I hope this works, this is the first time I have posted pics on a website. > What I would like to find out is exactly what do I have? I would like to > have an idea about what it was used for, how many horsepower and whether it > looks like it may be complete. It is apparently a British engine. Perhaps > someone can point me to a web site or two that might have information. > Thank you in advance for any information you can share. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the > USA, where both life and I move slowly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Siddorn" To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: Re: New Engine > Hi Gary, > Certainly a Stuart Turner. It appears to be a four stroke version of the P4, > but I've never seen one before & am C&P'ing your URL onto the British UK > stationary engine group to see what else turns up. At a guess, I'd say it > was early 1930's, but ST's were a small concern & could easily turn out > things in small quantities if needed. > Regards, Kim Siddorn Hi Gary, Kim beat me in posting this to the UK engine group & he received the information that it was probably a W4 engine. These were usually home made from S.T .castings. This is covered in the A-Z of British Stationary Engines which I have copied below. It does seem inconclusive as to its O/P power! http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2631014700028520097kNBvoD (Remember you can increase picture size by clicking an icon below the picture) I hope this helps. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 10:29:41 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:29:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Took Them This Long.... In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070128102124.0d0590c8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070128102124.0d0590c8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160701281029j45afbcfejce5874c11807d6d8@mail.gmail.com> On 28/01/07, Dave Rotigel wrote: > ......to figure this out? See: > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2570050,00.html > Dave > Only stating what most ebay users already know, and the change to hidden identities is NOT a good move at all. Ebay UK are under some pressure from fraud investigators already, and apparently the volume of traffic on the UK site is greater than any other ebay site at present. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 28 10:38:45 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:38:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Link To Maytag Message-ID: <00af01c7430b$8abde330$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Maytag won't stop. Skip From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 28 10:59:51 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:59:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <011e01c7430e$7d9e06a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4443632&a=32451010&f= From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 28 11:25:32 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:25:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Maytag Message-ID: <014c01c74312$13f00d80$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4443632&a=32451010&f= From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 28 11:22:15 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:22:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Boycott eBay? (OT) Message-ID: Well folks, Well, it would appear that the 900 pound gorilla may have stepped on its dick. http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.jspa?threadID=2000298866&start=0 http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.662654/topics?start=10&sa=N http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.662654/browse_thread/thread/95ffe44104e301c3/9a27034a3f7b819$ Now the interesting thing will be to see if the boycott happens, if eBay listens, or perhaps more importantly, will someone like Google step in and create an alternative to eBay that's like what eBay used to be before they got too damn full of themselves. As Drudge would say... Developing... See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From sumron at optusnet.com.au Sun Jan 28 13:00:21 2007 From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (Gilbert) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:00:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Returned mail: see transcript for details Message-ID: <005501c7431f$53b77e50$163d6c3a@userecaf7b7be7> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details > The original message was received at Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:11:16 +1100 > from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > <008d01c741ad$7efb6220$240110ac at FAMILY> > (reason: 550 Host unknown) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 550 5.1.2 <008d01c741ad$7efb6220$240110ac at FAMILY>... Host unknown (Name > server: family: host not found) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release Date: 1/27/2007 5:02 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 28 12:31:38 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:31:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs Florida Message-ID: Hi Folks, Dave and I are going to the Zolfo Springs show in Florida February 28th - March 4th. http://old-engine.com/zolfo.htm Just curious, how many other folks are planning on going down? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 28 09:29:29 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:29:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? One way is to grab hold of both plug tips and hang on till it stops. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 28 13:39:30 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:39:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Link To Maytag In-Reply-To: <00af01c7430b$8abde330$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <00af01c7430b$8abde330$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: Have you tried holding on to the plug lead(s), Skip? John On Jan 28, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Skip Cleveland wrote: > Maytag won't stop. > Skip John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jan 28 13:57:09 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:57:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs Florida Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/2007 4:26:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: Dave and I are going to the Zolfo Springs show in Florida Arnie, Millie and I are planning on going to the show, arriving on Wednesday. I have already been in contact with Dave about it and where to stay. Space already reserved for me at the show. Looking forward to it. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jan 28 14:05:39 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:05:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <769f5b223eee84a338f30461f62e7ff5@chartertn.net> Yet another way is to turn the air cap either open or closed, which will kill the engine by leaning or richening the mixture. As for the coil, if it's developed some shorted turns it may not be able to fire two plugs in series, only one at a time. He may need a replacement. But try the plugs first. I use those little Champion CJ14 lawnmower plugs in mine. They work fine. John >> What is the proper way to shut down a Maytag..he asked?? > > One way is to grab hold of both plug tips and hang on till it stops. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jan 29 05:27:27 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:27:27 +0900 Subject: [SEL] molasses rust removal question References: <001b01c74302$4b9f86d0$0100a8c0@l2800> Message-ID: <001701c743a9$3bc32fd0$0201a8c0@acer8ff47bfe9a> 20 .1 Bill ,but not critical. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 2:32 AM Subject: [SEL] molasses rust removal question > Assuming a person buy "molasses feed" from a feed store, what would the > ratio be to mix up a batch for "de-rusting" old parts? > > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 28 14:27:46 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:27:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Link To Maytag References: <00af01c7430b$8abde330$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <01d001c7432b$897995d0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Keep on pickin' John the link is on there. Don't ever grab the pluggs on this one. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Test Link To Maytag > Have you tried holding on to the plug lead(s), Skip? > > John > > On Jan 28, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Skip Cleveland wrote: > >> Maytag won't stop. >> Skip > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release Date: 1/27/2007 > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Jan 28 15:01:48 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:01:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Engine friends are the GREATEST !! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070128233512.00af87d8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> "I love it when a plan comes together". (Hannibal Smith - The "A" Team 1983). In early December I wrote to the SEL List and Oldengine List about needing a carb for the Ruston & Hornsby PB (1 1/2 hp) I had just found. This engine had been on my wishlist for some time and eventually found its way on to the back of my pickup in November, but was without a carb. I was offered one locally but when I went to collect it, it was not the correct one. Well, Christmas was a bit late but it found me today. I visited my old friend Neville Botha today and, (unbeknown to me), he had been looking out for one for me. He had found the carb but it was missing the air shutter so he had removed one from one of his own engines and had a replica cast for me. Today he handed the whole lot over to me. The only thing missing is the swivelling brass lid to the float chamber and I can quite easily replicate this myself. The other part I was concerned about was the brass float itself but I needn't have worried - Neville had found me one complete with the needle in almost perfect condition!. The story does not end there - Neville is one of our oldest collectors and knows more about old engines (and their whereabouts in South Africa) than the rest of us put together. He had actually back traced my engines (recent) history and the carb he found is almost certainly the original carb from the engine which I now own - a previous owner had removed it and it was mislaid - subsequently the engine was sold to the person I bought it from but without the carb. Neville had found the original owner (who had removed it) and persuaded him to find it! Aren't Engine people the best fiends one could have? There is a pic of the carb here: The new air shutter is bottom right in the pic and still needs to be cleaned up and fitted to the carb The original pics I posted to the lists are here: This is a pic of my Ruston & Hornsby PT which has the same carb but the float chamber is on the opposite side to the PB carb. This is a pic of the PB sans carb. I'm so happy to have found this that I just had to share. This engine will join "Rusty" (my Ruston & Hornsby PT) & "Reggie" (The Ronnie N that I got from Reg in Aus) at shows sometime in the not too distant future and they'll all be "Happy Chappies". All my engines have names but I have yet to find a name for him, I considered "Ray" (after Ray Hooley) but already have an engine called Raymond. Maybe "Horny" but he is going to be a real little gentleman and maybe would not appreciate anything so coarse - any suggestions? (No Arnie, we can't call him "Thin Bastard" ). The downside is that pressure of work has kept me away from my engines since November and is likely to still do so until March or April - but some of us still have to earn a living. (grin) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 28 15:07:36 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:07:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Engine References: <00c001c742a6$26418160$af44e5d8@HP28276676518> Message-ID: <000c01c74331$1a1cc4e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Neat little engine Gary, nice to have for the collection. Thanks for sharing the pictures, I enjoyed them very much. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: ; "SEL" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:32 AM Subject: [SEL] New Engine A little engine followed me home yesterday. It has Stuart cast on the crankcase behind the flywheel. There is only one flywheel which is solid with cast in pulley. It is a vertical with external pushrods and rocker are assembly on the head. The magneto is a Lucas and I find no name on the carb, just the word Birmingham. Is has a large gas tank for the size of the engine. There is a large rectangular copper cooling tank that is plumbed with brass pipe. The gas tank mounts to an upright pipe frame and the water tank sets on a board on he rack. I have posted some pics at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009664&a=32450641&f= From edurand at cybertron.com Sun Jan 28 15:29:08 2007 From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:29:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs Florida In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie: Possibly. Downside is that, if I go, it will be with The Mighty Hoyt-Clagwell! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 02:32 PM > To: Stationary Engine List; Old Engine > Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs Florida > > > Hi Folks, > > Dave and I are going to the Zolfo Springs show in Florida > February 28th - March 4th. > http://old-engine.com/zolfo.htm > > Just curious, how many other folks are planning > on going down? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com From mullt at att.net Sun Jan 28 17:11:30 2007 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:11:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine Message-ID: <012920070111.19050.45BD49C20004EB8600004A6A21603760219B04049A03@att.net> I am new to small engines and I am looking to purchase my first engine. There is an engine for sale near me and I am trying to get a feel for what it is worth before I go any farther. It is a Yeager, 2hp with a Wico mag. It is a "barn fresh" engine and I believe it is running. Does anyone have a feel for what a fair price to pay for such an engine would be? I am in Missouri. Thanks for any input. Tom From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jan 28 18:19:21 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:19:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine In-Reply-To: <012920070111.19050.45BD49C20004EB8600004A6A21603760219B040 49A03@att.net> References: <012920070111.19050.45BD49C20004EB8600004A6A21603760219B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070128205951.0d0f07d0@mail.alltel.net> At 08:11 PM 1/28/2007, you wrote: >I am new to small engines and I am looking to purchase my first engine. >There is an engine for sale near me and I am trying to get a feel for what >it is worth before I go any farther >It is a Yeager, 2hp with a Wico mag. It is a "barn fresh" engine and I >believe it is running. >Does anyone have a feel for what a fair price to pay for such an engine >would be? I am in Missouri. Thanks for any input. >Tom Hi Tom, A Jaeger (or any other Hercules built engine) is a VERY good choice for a first engine! While the condition will dictate the price of the engine that you are looking at, if it is (indeed) a running engine it is worth at least $600.00. If it's not running then the following should be considered: 1.) No compression--no big deal most likely, but rings will cost you ~$30.00. 2.) Bad Mag--this could be a big deal and cost you $200.00+ to get it repaired. 3.) Bad bearings--(This would not keep the engine from running) could cost you ~$60.00 if all of them are bad. 4.) Bad gas tank--this could cost you ~$50.00. It's really hard to determine a price w/out seeing the engine first hand, but start LOW--you can always increase your offer. And remember, there are a lot of Hercules built engines out there for sale! Dave From glenn.karch at verizon.net Sun Jan 28 19:45:07 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:45:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine References: <012920070111.19050.45BD49C20004EB8600004A6A21603760219B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <005b01c74357$df51e350$07be123f@D8LJ7K91> Tom, I agree with Dave. If the engine is all there and put together properly and runs, $600 is a fair price. Sometimes they bring a couple hundred dolars more. If it needs a gas tank, oiler, muffler, choke plate, bearings, magneto repair, etc., start deducting accordingly. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine >I am new to small engines and I am looking to purchase my first engine. > > There is an engine for sale near me and I am trying to get a feel for what > it is worth before I go any farther. > > It is a Yeager, 2hp with a Wico mag. It is a "barn fresh" engine and I > believe it is running. > > Does anyone have a feel for what a fair price to pay for such an engine > would be? I am in Missouri. Thanks for any input. > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Jan 28 20:12:30 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:12:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi RickinMT, A bad coil is certainly high on the list of suspects. Check continuity on the secondary winding by attaching a set of test probes from a multimeter to the spark plug lead out. Set the meter to R-100 or X 100 and look for a reading of either 4500 or 8000 ohms depending on the vintage of the coil. If you get that reading then do all the basics, clean and set the points to 20 ths, change the condenser, change out the plugs for new ones and gap to 25 ths each. Then if this all fails get the flywheel magnets recharged. Good Luck, Maytag Mark At 10:38 AM 1/28/07, you wrote: > Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. The 72 initially ran on both >cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the kicker....the non-firing plug wire HAS >to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to fire. Probably not a good >ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From BillMil357 at aol.com Sun Jan 28 20:50:20 2007 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:50:20 EST Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 Message-ID: Maytag Mark, My Grandson and I got his #72 Maytag back together but we cant get it started, it has a new coil, plugs condenser,timed right,points set right, it fires but looks pretty weak, any help will sure be appreciated. Thanks, Bill Miller. From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jan 28 21:44:24 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:44:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine In-Reply-To: <012920070111.19050.45BD49C20004EB8600004A6A21603760219B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <200701290544.l0T5imJp061420@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of mullt at att.net Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:12 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine I am new to small engines and I am looking to purchase my first engine. There is an engine for sale near me and I am trying to get a feel for what it is worth before I go any farther. It is a Yeager, 2hp with a Wico mag. It is a "barn fresh" engine and I believe it is running. Does anyone have a feel for what a fair price to pay for such an engine would be? I am in Missouri. Thanks for any input. Tom _______________________________________________ Tom, it depends. Here is an all-original Jaeger that was mechanically perfect with virtually no discernable wear, anywhere. http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/pic_SE.htm I paid $1,000 for it because it was in exceptional condition. If the engine you are looking at is complete, it could be worth $500 to 600, give or take, depending upon condition. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jan 28 22:06:45 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:06:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark..I've sent this to my friend also. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > > Hi RickinMT, > A bad coil is certainly high on the list of suspects. Check continuity > on > the secondary winding by attaching a set of test probes from a multimeter > to the spark plug lead out. Set the meter to R-100 or X 100 and look for > a reading of either 4500 or 8000 ohms depending on the vintage of the > coil. > If you get that reading then do all the basics, clean and set the points > to > 20 ths, change the condenser, change out the plugs for new ones and gap to > 25 ths each. Then if this all fails get the flywheel magnets > recharged. Good Luck, Maytag Mark > > > At 10:38 AM 1/28/07, you wrote: > > > Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. The 72 initially ran on > > both > >cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the kicker....the non-firing plug wire > >HAS > >to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to fire. Probably not a > >good > >ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > Phone > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if > possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jan 28 22:36:26 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:36:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: Message-ID: <002301c7436f$cebb9820$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> AXE!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > Maytag Mark, > > My Grandson and I got his #72 Maytag back together but we cant get it > started, it has a new coil, plugs condenser,timed right,points set right, > it fires > but looks pretty weak, any help will sure be appreciated. > > Thanks, Bill Miller> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jan 29 03:38:35 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:38:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> Kaye's little 72 ran all weekend at one show on one cylinder and we did not know until I felt the barrels when re-fueling late on the last day. Fouled plug. They just keep on Puuurrrrrrrrring on. Peter, Oz > Thanks Mark..I've sent this to my friend also. > > Rick > > > >> >> Hi RickinMT, >> A bad coil is certainly high on the list of suspects. Check continuity >> on >> the secondary winding by attaching a set of test probes from a multimeter >> to the spark plug lead out. Set the meter to R-100 or X 100 and look >> for >> a reading of either 4500 or 8000 ohms depending on the vintage of the >> coil. >> If you get that reading then do all the basics, clean and set the points >> to >> 20 ths, change the condenser, change out the plugs for new ones and gap >> to >> 25 ths each. Then if this all fails get the flywheel magnets >> recharged. Good Luck, Maytag Mark >> >> >> At 10:38 AM 1/28/07, you wrote: >> >> > Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. The 72 initially ran on >> > both >> >cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the kicker....the non-firing plug wire >> >HAS >> >to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to fire. Probably not a >> >good >> >ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. >> >> Mark & Christine Shulaw >> 454 Co. Rd. 33 >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> >> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >> Parts lists available on request. >> >> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >> Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell >> Phone >> you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if >> possible. >> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I >> represent >> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and >> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 29 07:29:13 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:29:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070129102813.0d16d208@mail.alltel.net> At 11:50 PM 1/28/2007, you wrote: >Maytag Mark, >My Grandson and I got his #72 Maytag back together but we cant get it >started, it has a new coil, plugs condenser,timed right,points set right, >it fires >but looks pretty weak, any help will sure be appreciated. >Thanks, Bill Miller. Hi Bill, EXACTLY what did you expect? Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 29 07:32:04 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:32:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070129103100.0d11f2f0@mail.alltel.net> At 06:38 AM 1/29/2007, you wrote: >Kaye's little 72 ran all weekend at one show..... >Peter, Oz Lies, nothing but LIES!! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jan 29 07:03:05 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:03:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bill, It's a Maytag ... Duh... 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - They DO make lovely axe holders. On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 BillMil357 at aol.com wrote: > My Grandson and I got his #72 Maytag back together but we cant get it > started From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jan 29 08:02:46 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:02:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: I hear ya there, Peter. If my friend had not mentioned it, I'd never have known. He did put his shoe against the flywheel tho...no power at all..to speak of. I'd brought up the subject of how to turn one off. If one were to close the air way down to kill, wouldn't he be asking for fouled plugs? Friend wanted to know that. Rick in fairly nice Mt. > Kaye's little 72 ran all weekend at one show on one cylinder and we did > not > know until I felt the barrels when re-fueling late on the last day. > Fouled plug. > They just keep on Puuurrrrrrrrring on. > > Peter, Oz > > > > > > Thanks Mark..I've sent this to my friend also. > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > >> > >> Hi RickinMT, > >> A bad coil is certainly high on the list of suspects. Check > >> continuity > >> on > >> the secondary winding by attaching a set of test probes from a > >> multimeter > >> to the spark plug lead out. Set the meter to R-100 or X 100 and look > >> for > >> a reading of either 4500 or 8000 ohms depending on the vintage of the > >> coil. > >> If you get that reading then do all the basics, clean and set the > >> points > >> to > >> 20 ths, change the condenser, change out the plugs for new ones and gap > >> to > >> 25 ths each. Then if this all fails get the flywheel magnets > >> recharged. Good Luck, Maytag Mark > >> > >> > >> At 10:38 AM 1/28/07, you wrote: > >> > >> > Now for a problem that's kicking our butts. The 72 initially ran > >> > on > >> > both > >> >cylinders,,,now only one. Here's the kicker....the non-firing plug > >> >wire > >> >HAS > >> >to be grounded in order for the other cylinder to fire. Probably not > >> >a > >> >good > >> >ground..just touching the cylinder will do the trick. > >> > >> Mark & Christine Shulaw > >> 454 Co. Rd. 33 > >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > >> > >> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > >> Parts lists available on request. > >> > >> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > >> Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > >> Phone > >> you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls > >> if > >> possible. > >> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > >> represent > >> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist > >> and > >> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jan 29 08:51:31 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:51:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Jeager Engine Message-ID: <20070129.120914.868.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, I have a 1928 Jaeger 2? HP that I bought in a box. It was all there and looked pretty good. Just needed cleaned - Painted and assembled. The Wico Mag & bushings were good also. I paid $475 for it. You can see it on my site www.oldengine.org/members/betz under my first engine and pan down to the Jaeger or at my webshots http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz under "toys". I feel $600 is a bit high. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Time is the most valuable thing one can spend." (_o_) From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Jan 29 09:13:03 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:13:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Engine friends are the GREATEST !! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070128233512.00af87d8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <200701291713.l0THDQbZ013769@mail-gw.fsr.net> Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:02 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Engine friends are the GREATEST !! I'm so happy to have found this that I just had to share. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans _______________________________________________ Jerry, thank you for sharing. The story of your good fortune brightened my day. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jan 29 09:41:18 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (johnculp at chartertn.net) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 9:41:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 Message-ID: <1141848506.1170092478502.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> > I'd brought up the subject of how to turn one off. If one were to close > the air way down to kill, wouldn't he be asking for fouled plugs? Friend > wanted to know that. Nope. Quits running way too quickly to foul the plugs any worse than they already foul if the thing's running. But like I already said, you can open up the air cap to lean it out and kill it if closing it bothers you. Or just grab the plug wires and hang on. John From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 29 10:05:50 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:05:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070129130435.0d1cddb0@mail.alltel.net> > I'd brought up the subject of how to turn one off. If one were to close >the air way down to kill, wouldn't he be asking for fouled plugs? Friend >wanted to know that. > Rick in fairly nice Mt. Hi Rick, Guess what that little lever on the bottom of the carburetor is for! Dave PS, Books, school, eat! From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 29 10:48:48 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:48:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com><001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070129130435.0d1cddb0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003501c743d6$1ca90610$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Wrong model. Shoe leather, eat. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > >> I'd brought up the subject of how to turn one off. If one were to >> close >>the air way down to kill, wouldn't he be asking for fouled plugs? Friend >>wanted to know that. >> Rick in fairly nice Mt. > > Hi Rick, Guess what that little lever on the bottom of the carburetor is > for! > Dave > PS, Books, school, eat! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/657 - Release Date: 1/29/2007 > > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 29 11:28:05 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:28:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: <003501c743d6$1ca90610$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070129130435.0d1cddb0@mail.alltel.net> <003501c743d6$1ca90610$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070129141821.030edca0@pop3.wcoil.com> >>>I'd brought up the subject of how to turn one off. If one were to close >>>the air way down to kill, wouldn't he be asking for fouled plugs? Friend >>>wanted to know that. >>> Rick in fairly nice Mt. On a twin it is adviseable to open the air cap to starve it to a stop. Since we usually are running the engines without a load they do not get as hot as they would if working so carbon does tend to build up to soak up that short burst of oiley fuel. Also many times they are generally run for relatively short periods of time, not even getting hot. So Closing the cap and choking it to a stop does somewhat increase the risk of fuel fouling the plugs. Especially if incorrect oils are used like so many times happens, Or if an engine is not in top notch condition compression and or iginition wise. Your engines tollerance to abuse will decide a lot. TTYL, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 29 12:29:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:29:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 In-Reply-To: <003501c743d6$1ca90610$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070128230504.02fb6740@pop3.wcoil.com> <001501c7439a$02c136f0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070129130435.0d1cddb0@mail.alltel.net> <003501c743d6$1ca90610$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070129152839.0d2501a0@mail.alltel.net> MY BAD! Dave PS, Damn that's TOUGH leather! At 01:48 PM 1/29/2007, you wrote: >Wrong model. >Shoe leather, eat. >Skip >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:05 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr and Maytag 72 > > >> >>> I'd brought up the subject of how to turn one off. If one were to close >>>the air way down to kill, wouldn't he be asking for fouled plugs? Friend >>>wanted to know that. >>> Rick in fairly nice Mt. >> >>Hi Rick, Guess what that little lever on the bottom of the carburetor is for! >> Dave >>PS, Books, school, eat! From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 17:37:24 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:37:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese molasses rust removal In-Reply-To: <001701c743a9$3bc32fd0$0201a8c0@acer8ff47bfe9a> Message-ID: <735422.67996.qm@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill-san, I buy feed molasses in Japan and it works well at 15:1. I think some of our So. African mates have indicated that their molasses will not work. As mentioned, ratio is not critical. Bill Y. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 29 20:30:08 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:30:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mogul Message-ID: <00c301c74427$53ffb9f0$8e0d693a@fred> Can anyonehelp me with tha age of a 1hp. Mogul Serial No.W28513. Thanks. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 29 21:10:41 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:10:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> I know this is taxing, but exercise is good for us all! Begin by standing on a comfortable surface, where you have plenty of room at each side. With a 5-lb potato sack in each hand, extend your arms straight out from your sides and hold them there as long as you can. Try to reach a full minute, then relax. Each day, you'll find that you can hold this position for just a bit longer. After a couple of weeks, move up to 10-lb potato sacks. Then 50-lb potato sacks and then eventually try to get to where you can lift a 100-lb potato sack in each hand and hold your arms straight for more than a full minute. (I'm at this level.) After you feel confident at that level, put a potato in each of the sacks. From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Jan 29 21:15:39 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:15:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover air cooled Message-ID: <20070130051559.C0F6062784F@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org> Hi, a friend just bought a little Duro air cooled with a chain driven mag. Are there any manuals available for the care and feeding of these little guys? Were they mentioned in the Stover history by Mr. Wendel? I'd gladly pay for any cost involved for copies of any literature. Thanks in advance .Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Jan 29 21:26:40 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:26:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mogul In-Reply-To: <00c301c74427$53ffb9f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <20070130052654.F37BF9B428@mx-in02.sjc.mail-abuse.org> Hi ,according to MR. Wendel, Late 1918 ish. Cya Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato,Ca. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:30 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Mogul Can anyonehelp me with tha age of a 1hp. Mogul Serial No.W28513. Thanks. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jan 29 21:28:42 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:28:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mogul In-Reply-To: <00c301c74427$53ffb9f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <20070130052837.HOLA18620.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Looks like 1918 in my book :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Can anyonehelp me with tha age of a 1hp. Mogul Serial No.W28513. Thanks. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 29 21:42:42 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:42:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mogul References: <00c301c74427$53ffb9f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <004601c74431$768d3380$dddeecdc@morris> G'Day Brian 22184 - 29672 = 1918 Thanks to Ken who sent me the lists for mine last year Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ skype ID: ozengine > Can anyonehelp me with tha age of a 1hp. Mogul Serial No.W28513. Thanks. > Brian and David Watts From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jan 29 22:01:46 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:01:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Japanese molasses rust removal References: <735422.67996.qm@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01c74434$202b1130$0601a8c0@altech> When I worked at the local sugar mill we used to place them straight into the raw molasses tanks of a wire, works wonders. The bad rusty stuff would go into the pure caustic tank for the brutal treatment. Peter, Oz > Bill-san, I buy feed molasses in Japan and it works well at 15:1. I > think some of our So. African mates have indicated that their molasses > will not work. As mentioned, ratio is not critical. Bill Y. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 29 22:24:09 2007 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:24:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stover air cooled In-Reply-To: <20070130051559.C0F6062784F@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: Hi Jim, from the power in the past vol 3 by wendel it states that they were produced on november 22 1916, production totalled 1169 engines ,they are 1/2hp engine and not many are known to exist but this was stated back in 1982 and i think a few more have come out of hiding.I dont know if there are any manuals available for these engines.cheers Dave in oz ps if you get in touch with me of list i can send you a copy of what i have on them. >From: "Jim O'Hagan" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: [SEL] Stover air cooled >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:15:39 -0800 > >Hi, a friend just bought a little Duro air cooled with a chain driven mag. >Are there any manuals available for the care and feeding of these little >guys? Were they mentioned in the Stover history by Mr. Wendel? I'd gladly >pay for any cost involved for copies of any literature. Thanks in advance >.Jimmy O'Hagan > >Jim O'Hagan > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Meet Sexy Singles Today @ Lavalife - Click here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D23769&_t=754951090&_r=endtext_lavalife_dec_meet&_m=EXT From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 30 05:30:30 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 05:30:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese molasses rust removal In-Reply-To: <735422.67996.qm@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <735422.67996.qm@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4258.165.206.180.53.1170163830.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Ahh-so. Thank u very very much. Much appreciate information. Bill-san (thanks to all) > Bill-san, I buy feed molasses in Japan and it works well at 15:1. I > think some of our So. African mates have indicated that their molasses > will not work. As mentioned, ratio is not critical. Bill Y. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jan 30 13:05:19 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:05:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it would ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH It may warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. Russell At 04:10 PM 30/01/2007, you wrote: >I know this is taxing, but exercise is good for us all! > >Begin by standing on a comfortable surface, where you have plenty of room >at each side. With a 5-lb potato sack in each hand, extend your arms >straight out from your sides and hold them there as long as you can. Try >to reach a full minute, then relax. > >Each day, you'll find that you can hold this position for just a bit >longer. After a couple of weeks, move up to 10-lb potato sacks. > >Then 50-lb potato sacks and then eventually try to get to where you can >lift a 100-lb potato sack in each hand and hold your arms straight for >more than a full minute. (I'm at this level.) > >After you feel confident at that level, put a potato in each of the sacks. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From l-d-holderman at kconline.com Tue Jan 30 13:48:47 2007 From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:48:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mogul References: <00c301c74427$53ffb9f0$8e0d693a@fred> Message-ID: <002501c744b8$700426e0$8281f1d8@lholderman> A friend of mine just listed a 1hp Mogul on Ebay the same year if anyone is interested in one. Ebay item # 150086731031 Larry Holderman Warsaw, Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:30 PM Subject: [SEL] Mogul > Can anyonehelp me with tha age of a 1hp. Mogul Serial No.W28513. Thanks. > Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03)97266147 > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03)97266147 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jan 30 13:54:52 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:54:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <45BFBEAC.5070409@imc-group.com> Russell, Just what we needed, a healthy dose of warmth and sunshine! Hey this looks familiar. Is this the park area we visited at the river? Curt P.S. Next time I'm bringing my trick ski and will cut up some Aussie water! Russell Gilbert wrote: > Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it > would ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my > webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH It > may warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. > Russell > > At 04:10 PM 30/01/2007, you wrote: > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jan 30 13:05:24 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:05:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: G'day Russell, I like that one pic where you're trolling for salt water crocks. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2214974640036399874xgFcpV See ya, Arnie On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it > would ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my > webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH > It may warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 30 14:17:54 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:17:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another manual done Message-ID: <200701310019906.SM01960@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, Another manual for download but this time it's for the tractor guys. Ferguson TED & TEE vapourising oil tractor operating instructions. It's here: It's a bit big (just over 8.5 MBytes) but the quality is good. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jan 30 14:39:58 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:39:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130173851.0d46d6b0@mail.alltel.net> Good lord Russell, You are supposed to put the potato in the FRONT of your swim suit! Dave At 04:05 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote: >Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it would >ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my >webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH It may >warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. >Russell > >At 04:10 PM 30/01/2007, you wrote: > > >>I know this is taxing, but exercise is good for us all! >> >>Begin by standing on a comfortable surface, where you have plenty of room >>at each side. With a 5-lb potato sack in each hand, extend your arms >>straight out from your sides and hold them there as long as you can. Try >>to reach a full minute, then relax. >> >>Each day, you'll find that you can hold this position for just a bit >>longer. After a couple of weeks, move up to 10-lb potato sacks. >> >>Then 50-lb potato sacks and then eventually try to get to where you can >>lift a 100-lb potato sack in each hand and hold your arms straight for >>more than a full minute. (I'm at this level.) >> >>After you feel confident at that level, put a potato in each of the sacks. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jan 30 14:51:45 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:51:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: <45BFBEAC.5070409@imc-group.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> <45BFBEAC.5070409@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131094935.01e3ca88@ncable.com.au> G'day Curt; no mate not the same area. Not far away however. Remember the lock we looked at? This spot is about 4 mile down river from there on our friends property. It was pretty hard doing this for a full week but none the less we made it through. Russell At 08:54 AM 31/01/2007, you wrote: >Russell, >Just what we needed, a healthy dose of warmth and sunshine! Hey this >looks familiar. Is this the park area we visited at the river? >Curt >P.S. Next time I'm bringing my trick ski and will cut up some Aussie water! > >Russell Gilbert wrote: > >>Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it >>would ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my >>webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH >>It may warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. >>Russell >> >>At 04:10 PM 30/01/2007, you wrote: > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jan 30 15:00:15 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:00:15 +1100 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131095310.01e6f868@ncable.com.au> we didn't have any luck Arnie with the crocks! Another story was how dad and I set some over night lines in some favourite fishing holes. We did a midnight check on them after a few coldies, anyway one of the lines was nowhere near where I cast it but rather tangled in some weeds. I couldn't budge it but new something big was on it .... So in the drink I go swimming to recover this big mother fish ........ at midnigh, 1/2 pissed ....... anyway I ended up ducking under a little to pull the reeds out that it was entangled in then swimming back to the boat. Holding the line with one hand and untangling the weeds with the other (quite a feet with the state I was in) I finally realised out catch! Pulling the line through the weeds we both nearly S---t ourselves when this big long neck pocked out of the water. First thought was a bloody snake! .............. we got a large river turtle. bugger, all that for nothing. I cut it free and went back to camp for another beer! Russ At 08:05 AM 31/01/2007, you wrote: >G'day Russell, > >I like that one pic where you're trolling for salt water crocks. >http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2214974640036399874xgFcpV > >See ya, Arnie > >On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > > Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it > > would ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my > > webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH > > It may warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Jan 30 15:17:03 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:17:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001701c744c4$c0818160$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hey Russell Wife wants to know what type of dogs are they and I must say it is a pity about photo 18. Not a pretty sight. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors > Dave it sounds like cabin fever is set in well and truely. If it > would ease the pain a little you should check my new album on my > webshots. http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557174295olXeVH > It may warn you a little and you can see how we exercise over here. > Russell > > At 04:10 PM 30/01/2007, you wrote: > > > >I know this is taxing, but exercise is good for us all! > > > >Begin by standing on a comfortable surface, where you have plenty of room > >at each side. With a 5-lb potato sack in each hand, extend your arms > >straight out from your sides and hold them there as long as you can. Try > >to reach a full minute, then relax. > > > >Each day, you'll find that you can hold this position for just a bit > >longer. After a couple of weeks, move up to 10-lb potato sacks. > > > >Then 50-lb potato sacks and then eventually try to get to where you can > >lift a 100-lb potato sack in each hand and hold your arms straight for > >more than a full minute. (I'm at this level.) > > > >After you feel confident at that level, put a potato in each of the sacks. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jan 30 15:47:37 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:47:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net><7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> <001701c744c4$c0818160$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: Very NICE Russell!! Enjoyed it very much as we're into the heart of winter with just a little snow falling. Thanks much. Stumbled on Webshots new slideshow presentation..pretty kewl with zoom in/out automatic feature. Then if one puts the cursor on the lower portion of the picture, a dropdown menu appears. I like that..something different and not much garbage. Take care and thanks again... RickinMt. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jan 30 17:19:57 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:19:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Winter Exercise for Engine Collectors In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131094935.01e3ca88@ncable.com.au> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070130001032.0d2f56d8@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131080057.01b5f9e8@ncable.com.au> <45BFBEAC.5070409@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070131094935.01e3ca88@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <45BFEEBD.4000404@imc-group.com> It's a tough life isn't it! Curt Russell Gilbert wrote: > G'day Curt; no mate not the same area. Not far away however. Remember > the lock we looked at? This spot is about 4 mile down river from there > on our friends property. It was pretty hard doing this for a full week > but none the less we made it through. > Russell > > At 08:54 AM 31/01/2007, you wrote: > >> Russell, >> Just what we needed, a healthy dose of warmth and sunshine! Hey this >> looks familiar. Is this the park area we visited at the river? >> Curt >> P.S. Next time I'm bringing my trick ski and will cut up some Aussie >> water! > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jan 30 20:00:07 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:00:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: fuller&johnson Message-ID: <018501c744ec$4d33cec0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> If you can help this guy, reply direct to him please. jlhirst at earthlink.net Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Hirst To: randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:57 PM Subject: fuller&johnson hi just got my first engine 1928 2.5 hp.it is a rust bucket could you help me with correct color green and where I can get decals and possibly a picture. your help would be greatly appreciated.fuller&johnson From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 31 00:23:51 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:23:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another manual done - oops ! Message-ID: <200701311027640.SM00304@new.databak.co.za> Sorry guys, I posted this last night and someone pointed out that the download link was not working - Sorry - It's all fixed now! If you also tried then please try again and remember to refresh your browser if it is not configured to do so automatically. Jerry Hi Guys, Another manual for download but this time it's for the tractor guys. Ferguson TED & TEE vapourising oil tractor operating instructions. It's here: It's a bit big (just over 8.5 MBytes) but the quality is good. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 31 16:15:58 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:15:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, It seems as though the SEL will have a turnout at the Zolfo (Pioneer Park Days) show. Arnie and I will arrive on Tuesday, Feb, 27th (or Monday the 26th if I can talk him into leaving PA a day early!) Jim and Jan Dunmyer, Glenn Karch and his bride, and Tom and Millie Schmutz are planing on being there as well. Additionally I just heard from Curt Hollins and he (and perhaps Devin as well) will likely be attend. Others from the SEL may be at the show as well. Given that there will be a number of SEL members at the show I think a PICTURE TAKING session is in order. I suggest Friday (March 2nd) at high noon for that event. Let's plan on meeting at EX 6 where Arnie, Glenn and I will be set up. (That's right near the Park office.) See you there and then! Dave PS, I don't think that there is a tractor parade scheduled for Friday at noon, but if there is we will have to reschedule the picture taking. I should know by Wed. or Thursday of the show. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 31 16:58:14 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:58:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] CLINE v. PATTIN BROS. CO. Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131195632.01e8f0f0@mail.alltel.net> Interesting read! See: http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=24220 Dave From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Jan 31 17:28:06 2007 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:28:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] CLINE v. PATTIN BROS. CO. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131195632.01e8f0f0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131195632.01e8f0f0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <45C14226.9010405@wightman.ca> Very interesting Dave. Duncan Dave Rotigel wrote: > Interesting read! See: > http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=24220 > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Jan 31 18:48:45 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:48:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Good laugh Message-ID: <006501c745ab$7e545a50$03d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Saw this on the tractor list and figured everyone here could use a chuckle. John Hall --------------------------------- There was this very vane woman. She could spend hours in front of the mirror, doing her make-up or simply looking at her self. One day she thought, aren't my breasts to small. This thought continued nagging her for a few days before she decided to ask her husband: - My breasts are too small, do you know what to do about it? - Hmm you could rub them with toiletpaper a couple of times a day. She thought about it and didn't really understand but it didn't seem either expensive or to inconvenient so she decided to try it. After a few weeks without any visible results she decided to ask her husband again: - I've been rubbing for weeks now and I don't see any result, how long should it takr till I see any results? - Well, I don't know really but a couple of years maybe. - A couple of years! Do you really know for sure that it works? - Know or not but I known you for a couple of years and see what's happened to your arse during that time.