Best I can do. I have this site in the archives. http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page17.html Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it."