From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Feb  1 07:41:03 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:41:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
>          It seems as though the SEL will have a turnout at the Zolfo
> (Pioneer Park Days) show. Arnie and I will arrive on Tuesday, Feb, 27th (or
> Monday the 26th if I can talk him into leaving PA a day early!)

Dave:

How far is that drive to Zolfo Springs? ( I assume it is the one in Florida ?)

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Feb  1 08:07:46 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:07:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070201110646.04e77ee8@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:41 AM 2/1/2007, you wrote:
>On 01/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>Hi All,
>>          It seems as though the SEL will have a turnout at the Zolfo
>>(Pioneer Park Days) show. Arnie and I will arrive on Tuesday, Feb, 27th (or
>>Monday the 26th if I can talk him into leaving PA a day early!)
>
>Dave:
>
>How far is that drive to Zolfo Springs? ( I assume it is the one in Florida ?)
>
>Peter

Hi Peter, Just under 1,100 miles (one way) for Arnie and me.
         Dave 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Feb  1 07:43:39 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:43:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702011041460.15692@vegeta.city-net.com>

Sorta depends on where you START FROM Peter.  8-))

Buy 'em books, send 'em to school, and they just chew the covers off...

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Listerdiesel wrote:

> Dave:
>
> How far is that drive to Zolfo Springs? ( I assume it is the one in Florida ?)
>
> Peter A Forbes



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Thu Feb  1 13:22:50 2007
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:22:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net><6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702011041460.15692@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c74647$23c14700$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Arnie,  It would be about twice the distance that it is from the beginning 
to the middle.      George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!


> Sorta depends on where you START FROM Peter.  8-))
>
> Buy 'em books, send 'em to school, and they just chew the covers off...
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Listerdiesel wrote:
>
>> Dave:
>>
>> How far is that drive to Zolfo Springs? ( I assume it is the one in 
>> Florida ?)
>>
>> Peter A Forbes
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Feb  1 13:50:12 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:50:12 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070201110646.04e77ee8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070201110646.04e77ee8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702011350x3ff712f2l39017c0456fd798c@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> At 10:41 AM 2/1/2007, you wrote:
> >On 01/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> >>Hi All,
> >>          It seems as though the SEL will have a turnout at the Zolfo
> >>(Pioneer Park Days) show. Arnie and I will arrive on Tuesday, Feb, 27th (or
> >>Monday the 26th if I can talk him into leaving PA a day early!)
> >
> >Dave:
> >
> >How far is that drive to Zolfo Springs? ( I assume it is the one in Florida ?)
> >
> >Peter
>
> Hi Peter, Just under 1,100 miles (one way) for Arnie and me.
>          Dave
>

Thanks, Dave, that's a decent stretch if you're towing the Astral as
well. Do you work on a couple of days taking turns at driving or will
you go independently?

I'm only curious to see the mileages involved from PA down to Zolfo on
'ordinary' driving roads, rather than 'ideal' computer-based
estimates.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Feb  1 18:06:10 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:06:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702011350x3ff712f2l39017c0456fd798c@mail.gmail.co
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References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070201110646.04e77ee8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702011350x3ff712f2l39017c0456fd798c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070201210149.01ea7e38@mail.alltel.net>


>>Hi Peter, Just under 1,100 miles (one way) for Arnie and me.
>>          Dave
>
>Thanks, Dave, that's a decent stretch if you're towing the Astral as
>well. Do you work on a couple of days taking turns at driving or will
>you go independently?
>I'm only curious to see the mileages involved from PA down to Zolfo on
>'ordinary' driving roads, rather than 'ideal' computer-based
>estimates.
>Peter

Hi Peter,
         The trip down will take us about a day and a half. I drive while 
Arnie drinks and then he drives while I drink. We will make about 700 miles 
the first day and the rest the second day. It's almost all 4 lane highways. 
Coming back will take a bit more time since we will be coming north it's 
all up hill!
         Dave 



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Feb  1 18:35:44 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:35:44 EST
Subject: [SEL] - Sattley Status
Message-ID: <c0a.f26e6ba.32f3fd80@aol.com>

Several years ago, I obtained this Sattley hit and  miss engine with a stuck 
piston.  With several excellent  suggestions provided by several list members, 
I was able to remove the  piston using the grease pump method.  Sadly, I put 
this engine aside  and started to work on other projects.  Recently, my son 
started to  inquire about this Sattley.  At that time, I decided to get this 
engine  running.  Well, that day arrived today.  I was able to get the  engine to 
run.
Now that I have the engine running, I found that the mixer  adjustment is 
very sensitive.  After inspecting the needle valve, I  noticed it was some what 
rough.  I fabricated a jig so I could reform the  needle valve 30 degree point 
on my belt grinder.  After this rework  was completed, I was to run the engine 
again.  However, the needle  valve adjustment is still sensitive.  The end of 
the throttle  valve that goes in the intake looks as if it was brazed  closed 
and then a small hole was drilled.  The needle valve point  mates internally 
with this hole.  Is this sensitive needle valve  adjustment condition normal?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, Ca




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Feb  1 23:15:42 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:15:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <000701c74699$f46440e0$0601a8c0@altech>





From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Feb  2 00:43:35 2007
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:43:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000701c74699$f46440e0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <000801c746a6$3b04bc30$dddeecdc@morris>

welcome back


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] test


> 
> 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Feb  2 01:51:43 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:51:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000701c74699$f46440e0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<000801c746a6$3b04bc30$dddeecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <000401c746af$befc5ee0$0601a8c0@altech>

I don't think anyone has noticed ;-))
Pete



> welcome back
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:15 PM
> Subject: [SEL] test
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  2 04:28:29 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:28:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Engine Video - Curt - Dave
Message-ID: <BAY129-F11029B512A76477D6405D6C89B0@phx.gbl>

A guy from Harry's page posted this movie from the Portland 2006 show.  I 
noticed a couple of Curt Holland's engines and Dave's Domestic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwugFWcPDBQ

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

_________________________________________________________________
Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy 
Awards?   http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2



From edurand at cybertron.com  Fri Feb  2 06:16:05 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:16:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] - Sattley Status
In-Reply-To: <c0a.f26e6ba.32f3fd80@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEPDFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Francis:

Some engines have really touchy needle valves.  If yours is one of those and the needle and seat are in good shape, you could try decreasing the included angle (make it more pointed).  I've done this on a couple of engines and it works well.

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> FRM8198 at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 08:36 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] - Sattley Status
> 
> 
> Several years ago, I obtained this Sattley hit 
> and  miss engine with a stuck 
> piston.  With several excellent  suggestions 
> provided by several list members, 
> I was able to remove the  piston using the grease 
> pump method.  Sadly, I put 
> this engine aside  and started to work on other 
> projects.  Recently, my son 
> started to  inquire about this Sattley.  At that 
> time, I decided to get this 
> engine  running.  Well, that day arrived today.  
> I was able to get the  engine to 
> run.
> Now that I have the engine running, I found that 
> the mixer  adjustment is 
> very sensitive.  After inspecting the needle 
> valve, I  noticed it was some what 
> rough.  I fabricated a jig so I could reform the  
> needle valve 30 degree point 
> on my belt grinder.  After this rework  was 
> completed, I was to run the engine 
> again.  However, the needle  valve adjustment is 
> still sensitive.  The end of 
> the throttle  valve that goes in the intake looks 
> as if it was brazed  closed 
> and then a small hole was drilled.  The needle 
> valve point  mates internally 
> with this hole.  Is this sensitive needle valve  
> adjustment condition normal?  
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, Ca




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Feb  2 06:42:19 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:42:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] - Sattley Status
Message-ID: <cd9.9b9ee7c.32f4a7cb@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/2/2007 6:33:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edurand at cybertron.com writes:

If yours  is one of those and the needle and seat are in good shape, you 
could try  decreasing the included angle (make it more pointed).  


Elden,
Thanks for the tip.  

Francis




From edurand at cybertron.com  Fri Feb  2 07:21:10 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:21:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] - Sattley Status
In-Reply-To: <cd9.9b9ee7c.32f4a7cb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEPHFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Was that a pun????!!!!       :-\

Take care - Elden

> In a message dated 2/2/2007 6:33:45 A.M. Pacific 
> Standard Time,  
> edurand at cybertron.com writes:
> 
> If yours  is one of those and the needle and seat 
> are in good shape, you 
> could try  decreasing the included angle (make it 
> more pointed).  
> 
> 
> Elden,
> Thanks for the tip.  
> 
> Francis




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Feb  2 07:36:46 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:36:46 EST
Subject: [SEL] - Sattley Status
Message-ID: <c2f.e59fb56.32f4b48e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/2/2007 7:33:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edurand at cybertron.com writes:

Was that  a pun????!!!!  


 Elden,
I am referring to the technical tip.  Now that you bring it to  my attention, 
it can also apply to the solution.   

Francis




From edurand at cybertron.com  Fri Feb  2 11:14:10 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:14:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPLFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Group:

I got the Edwards engine running for the first time today.  More questions than answers!  Take a look here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html

Take care - Elden




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 11:52:37 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:52:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPLFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPLFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145018.04cd2e48@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:14 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Group:
>I got the Edwards engine running for the first time today.  More questions 
>than answers!  Take a look here:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html
>Take care - Elden

Hi Elden,
         Great project and GREAT write-up on it! This should be sent to GEM 
so that others can read and enjoy your efforts. Reading what you wrote and 
seeing the pictures was almost like being there. Thanks!
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 11:55:46 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:55:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	I'll be taking the Austral to Zolfo the end of the month. It starts and 
runs on kerosene. I've never needed kerosene before in FL. Is it as readily 
available there as it is in the north? (ie at almost every gas station?)
	Dave



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Feb  2 12:08:33 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:08:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>

Dave,
Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we 
heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you 
need kero?
Curt
P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi All,
>     I'll be taking the Austral to Zolfo the end of the month. It 
> starts and runs on kerosene. I've never needed kerosene before in FL. 
> Is it as readily available there as it is in the north? (ie at almost 
> every gas station?)
>     Dave
>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Feb  2 12:17:13 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:17:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
Message-ID: <20070202.151728.532.1.jlb94@juno.com>

WOW , Eldon,

Great documentation.  

Great Pics.

Some aren't showing up after "New Valve Guide" but the rest are
fantastic.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/   
 (_o_)       "I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it."


From edurand at cybertron.com  Fri Feb  2 12:24:01 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:24:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPOFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Dave:

I'd say it's harder to get here than in frozen Pennsylvania but it's not rare.  Why not run the Austral on #2 Diesel?  It would give you a chance to get in shape.  :-)

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave
> Rotigel
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 01:56 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 	I'll be taking the Austral to Zolfo the end 
> of the month. It starts and 
> runs on kerosene. I've never needed kerosene 
> before in FL. Is it as readily 
> available there as it is in the north? (ie at 
> almost every gas station?)
> 	Dave




From edurand at cybertron.com  Fri Feb  2 12:24:38 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:24:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145018.04cd2e48@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEPOFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Thanks, Brother Dave!

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave
> Rotigel
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 01:53 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> At 02:14 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
> >Group:
> >I got the Edwards engine running for the first 
> time today.  More questions 
> >than answers!  Take a look here:
> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/E
> dwards.html
> >Take care - Elden
> 
> Hi Elden,
>          Great project and GREAT write-up on it! 
> This should be sent to GEM 
> so that others can read and enjoy your efforts. 
> Reading what you wrote and 
> seeing the pictures was almost like being there. Thanks!
>          Dave




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Fri Feb  2 12:32:39 2007
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:32:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPLFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <002401c74709$4bb947e0$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Slick Elden!!!     More info on the Fairbanks move???     George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at cybertron.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff


> Group:
>
> I got the Edwards engine running for the first time today.  More questions 
> than answers!  Take a look here:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html
>
> Take care - Elden
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Feb  2 12:41:28 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:41:28 EST
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
Message-ID: <c24.fe167c1.32f4fbf8@aol.com>

Elden,

What a neat little engine and sure enjoyed reading all the information about 
it and all the effort that you have put into rebuilding and making it run.


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Feb  2 12:48:37 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 07:48:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001501c7470b$8bf5e9b0$0601a8c0@altech>

Forget the Maytag sign Dave, do you have an Aussie Flag flying proudly above 
your Austral ?

Peter, Oz




> Dave,
> Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we 
> heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you need 
> kero?
> Curt
> P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>     I'll be taking the Austral to Zolfo the end of the month. It starts 
>> and runs on kerosene. I've never needed kerosene before in FL. Is it as 
>> readily available there as it is in the north? (ie at almost every gas 
>> station?)
>>     Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Feb  2 12:02:13 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:02:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021459510.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

You obviously missed the Coolspring fall show where the Austral was the
star.  It was even featured in the Coolspring newsletter.

As to the Maytag sign, are you referring to the one that sits next to the
Maytag with the axe in it?

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Curt wrote:

> Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we
> heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you
> need kero?
> Curt
> P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 12:53:32 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:53:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Dave,
>Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we 
>heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you need 
>kero?
>Curt
>P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)

The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where did you 
hear that it would not run?
         Dave
PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the USA) 
there--it will be running!
PS, What MAYTAG sign? 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 13:23:57 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:23:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021459510.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021459510.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202162307.04cefd40@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:02 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Curt,
>
>You obviously missed the Coolspring fall show where the Austral was the
>star.  It was even featured in the Coolspring newsletter.
>See ya,  Arnie

There was also a halfbreed featured as I recall!
         Dave



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 13:26:35 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:26:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <001501c7470b$8bf5e9b0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<001501c7470b$8bf5e9b0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202162425.04cf5cb8@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:48 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Forget the Maytag sign Dave, do you have an Aussie Flag flying proudly 
>above your Austral ?
>
>Peter, Oz

By damn Peter, I had not thought of that! I'll look in my Portland box to 
see if I have one. If not I'll have to buy one and put it in the Austral 
box to fly proudly at all the 2007 shows! THANKS!
         Dave 



From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Feb  2 13:38:59 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:38:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>

A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag that 
runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a supposedly running 
Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by the running Maytag or 
maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and blanket.     Mark

PS: Just couldn't resist
PPS: Really
PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida

At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>Dave,
>>Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we 
>>heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you 
>>need kero?
>>Curt
>>P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>
>The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where did you 
>hear that it would not run?
>         Dave
>PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the USA) 
>there--it will be running!
>PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Feb  2 13:40:58 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:40:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>


>
>PS, What MAYTAG sign?

PPPPS:   The Maytag sign that used to hang on the 12 HP Maytag that you 
used to own. LOL





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 14:04:25 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 22:04:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702021404w72e9cac4me37891dcfa6f16f6@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
>          It seems as though the SEL will have a turnout at the Zolfo
> (Pioneer Park Days) show. Arnie and I will arrive on Tuesday, Feb, 27th (or
> Monday the 26th if I can talk him into leaving PA a day early!)

I hope the tornados aren't repetitive:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6324985.stm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Feb  2 14:17:26 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:17:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
Message-ID: <bea.b075ea3.32f51276@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/2/2007 11:33:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edurand at cybertron.com writes:

I got  the Edwards engine running for the first time today.  More questions 
than  answers!  Take a look here:


Elden,
Thanks for sharing.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, Ca




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Feb  2 13:42:39 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:42:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021641170.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>

Mark,

Is this the Maytag you're thinking of?
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/Big_maytag2.jpg

I think that one belongs to Craig Prucha.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> PPPPS:   The Maytag sign that used to hang on the 12 HP Maytag that you
> used to own. LOL



From edurand at cybertron.com  Fri Feb  2 14:58:05 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:58:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <002401c74709$4bb947e0$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEACFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

George:

Thanks to you and the others for the kudos!  I'll feel that I've earned them if I can get the issues taken care of and get it to run like a fine watch.  From some of the comments, I think the Edwards engines never ran too well and don't know if they can be tweaked within the realm of originality to run superlatively.

I think that, since I can't get in touch with Frank, the power plant moving crews are at the island as we speak, getting the engines and other large machinery ready to move.  Unfortunately, I cannot make the trip and participate in the festivities but Frank has promised to provide a lot of photos and information so I can flesh-out my web page about it.

If you haven't looked in a few weeks, you may find something new at the page:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of armstrong
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 02:33 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> Slick Elden!!!     More info on the Fairbanks 
> move???     George




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Feb  2 15:24:35 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:24:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021641170.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021641170.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070202182139.02f1d240@pop3.wcoil.com>

No No the big Maytag Rotigal had at Portland a few years ago. It was big 
and rusty and had a pair of spoke flywheels and a Maytag decal? on the side 
of the hopper.  I think he may have eradicated all pictures of it since 
then.          TTYL,   Mark

At 04:42 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>Mark,
>
>Is this the Maytag you're thinking of?
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/Big_maytag2.jpg
>
>I think that one belongs to Craig Prucha.  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> > PPPPS:   The Maytag sign that used to hang on the 12 HP Maytag that you
> > used to own. LOL
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Feb  2 15:43:27 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:43:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com>


On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Curt wrote:

> Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA?
> Last we heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case
> why would you need kero?
> Curt
> P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)



Maybe it doesn't like that Pencilbonya Gas Station Kerosene.
Just to show that I'm not all bad, I'll buy it back from you.
Ten cents a pound.

Rob

P.S.
Seriously, fill up the bloody tank at home and stop worrying.  It'll  
run for days.





From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 16:55:55 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:55:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202195512.04cef268@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:40 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:


>>PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>
>PPPPS:   The Maytag sign that used to hang on the 12 HP Maytag that you 
>used to own. LOL

That was/is a 16 HP MAYTAG! And I still own it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 16:57:21 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:57:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021641170.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021641170.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202195639.04d4c968@mail.alltel.net>

That one of Craig's is a 40 HP MOTOR!
         Dave

At 04:42 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Mark,
>
>Is this the Maytag you're thinking of?
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/Big_maytag2.jpg
>
>I think that one belongs to Craig Prucha.  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> > PPPPS:   The Maytag sign that used to hang on the 12 HP Maytag that you
> > used to own. LOL



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 16:59:11 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:59:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <bea.b075ea3.32f51276@aol.com>
References: <bea.b075ea3.32f51276@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202195756.04d68d00@mail.alltel.net>


>In a message dated 2/2/2007 11:33:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>edurand at cybertron.com writes:
>I got  the Edwards engine running for the first time today.  More questions
>than  answers!  Take a look here:


>Elden,
>Thanks for sharing.
>Francis  Maciel

LIBERALS 'share"--real men SHOW you something!
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 17:34:02 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:34:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Dolly......
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202203213.04d5be78@mail.alltel.net>

......can't you just try harder to get along with these PEACEFUL PEOPLE? 
See: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/02/070202153436.fywopsky.html
	Dave



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 17:56:16 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:56:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202203846.04d5b6e8@mail.alltel.net>


>Maybe it doesn't like that Pencilbonya Gas Station Kerosene.
>Just to show that I'm not all bad, I'll buy it back from you.
>Ten cents a pound.
>Rob
>P.S.
>Seriously, fill up the bloody tank at home and stop worrying.  It'll
>run for days.

Hi Rob,
         I've talked the situation over with Jennie and she says that since 
I only paid eight cents a pound that I should consider taking you up on 
your offer. When I told her, however, that the eight cents a pound that I 
paid you for the engine did not include the cost of transpiration, she 
agreed that your offer is too low!
         I've thought about filling the tank up here in PA, but am a bit 
worried about that much weight in the tank as it bounces all the way to FL. 
Additionally, I will be running the engine 8 hours a day for 5 days (Wed.- 
Sun.) I'm not sure that the kerosene will last that long. I know that I can 
get 8 hours on a gal. of gasoline in the Galloway--but the Austral hits 
about 3 times as often as the Galloway!
         Dave
PS, Peter, a 2' X 3' Australian flag has been ordered. It will fly proudly 
over the Austral at Zolfo and each time thereafter that the engine   goes 
to a show! (Good to have you back, by the way!)
PPS, Now all I need to do is learn how to say G'ay Miss--and to perfect 
that "Australian greeting" that Reg uses on all the cute chicks at      US 
engine shows! 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Feb  2 18:09:38 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 13:09:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202203846.04d5b6e8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001101c74738$5c66f360$0601a8c0@altech>

> PS, Peter, a 2' X 3' Australian flag has been ordered. It will fly proudly 
> over the Austral at Zolfo and each time thereafter that the engine   goes 
> to a show! (Good to have you back, by the way!)
> PPS, Now all I need to do is learn how to say G'ay Miss--and to perfect 
> that "Australian greeting" that Reg uses on all the cute chicks at      US 
> engine shows! Dave


Dave
This should not be the posture after trying to start an Austral
http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/Rotigel.Dave.2.jpg
They start real easy.

Peter, z 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 19:26:38 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:26:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Peter...
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>

How far is it to AMSTERDAM? See: 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_fe_st/netherlands_nude_gym_2
	Dave



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Fri Feb  2 19:52:18 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:52:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
Message-ID: <002001c74746$b4b0d8c0$6eaa123f@D8LJ7K91>

Hi Fellers,

I have a 125 pound flywheel and a crankshaft at Craig Prucha's that needs to come my way.  Is there anyone up that way coming  towards southern Indiana or somewhere nearby where that I could meet them?

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb  1 19:30:04 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:30:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Old Iron Express Help
Message-ID: <00dc01c7467a$6e7feb60$240110ac@FAMILY>

Ok Gang I lucked out and found a super set of nice wheels for my cart I am building for my Stover. They are a matched set of round spoke wheels, (2) each 20" in diameter and (2) each 22" in diameter:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCartWheels1.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCartWheels4.jpg

They are located at 5069 Algoma Road, New Franklin, Wisconsin near Green Bay.

I am just checking to see if any of you engine folks near this point will be coming South anywhere soon that might could pick them up and get them a little closer to me, if not I will pursue freight options.

Thanks,

Paul



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Feb  2 20:32:05 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:32:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <001101c74738$5c66f360$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202203846.04d5b6e8@mail.alltel.net>
	<001101c74738$5c66f360$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <048A356B-1B51-4C64-9DDE-3FFC9C75ED15@rustyiron.com>


On Feb 2, 2007, at 6:09 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Dave
> This should not be the posture after trying to start an Austral
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/ 
> Rotigel.Dave.2.jpg
> They start real easy.
>
> Peter, z


Hiya Pete,
That picture isn't from exhaustion, it's from boredom.  Those damned  
Aussie engines -- you pull 'em over once in the morning and there's  
nothing left to do until you shut it off in the afternoon.  Dullest  
damned engine I've ever seen!  Give me a Maytag ANY day!

Rob














From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Fri Feb  2 21:36:49 2007
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:36:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Old Iron Express Help
In-Reply-To: <00dc01c7467a$6e7feb60$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <00dc01c7467a$6e7feb60$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <200702030038732.SM05588@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com>

Paul
Our daughter, Elizabeth, is going to school in Appleton, WI which is 
about 1/2 hour South of Green Bay.  We don't have any trips planned 
just yet but wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make a trip up that 
way in March.   If we do I won't mind hauling them to Evansville for you.
Keith

At 09:30 PM 2/1/2007, you wrote:
>Ok Gang I lucked out and found a super set of nice wheels for my 
>cart I am building for my Stover. They are a matched set of round 
>spoke wheels, (2) each 20" in diameter and (2) each 22" in diameter:
>
>http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCartWheels1.jpg
>http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCartWheels4.jpg
>
>They are located at 5069 Algoma Road, New Franklin, Wisconsin near Green Bay.
>
>I am just checking to see if any of you engine folks near this point 
>will be coming South anywhere soon that might could pick them up and 
>get them a little closer to me, if not I will pursue freight options.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
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>2/2/2007 11:39 PM

Keith Kinney
Evansville, Indiana  USA
www.HerculesEngines.com 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 23:59:28 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 07:59:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Peter...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702022359p3bb3237bn4ad93c8022f34781@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> How far is it to AMSTERDAM? See:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_fe_st/netherlands_nude_gym_2
>         Dave
>

I think that folks of a certain age like us might find that a bit of a
strain, Dave!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Feb  3 00:22:38 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:22:38 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Dolly...... Now very OT
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202203213.04d5be78@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <00a001c7476c$773ee880$8335c53e@doc>

Dave

For what it's worth, from where I sit, it seems to me that Britain IS moving
towards a police state.  Moving?  Make that running....  Me?  White
umpteenth-generation Brit with French connections in the 17th century.  My
Uncle, decorated three times for bravery, gave his life so that those who
survived him could have a 'free' country to live in.  His charred remains
must be doing 3,600 RPM by now.

I am all for trying to get along, but I am rapidly losing faith in our
system here in the UK.  It disadvantages the law-abiding and decent and
enfranchises the idle and neerdowells.  At the risk of offending, it matters
not a jot to me what colour an individual's skin is, or what deity they
worhsip (or don't).  What IS important is that that individual take
responsibility for their actions and seek to do right by their community.

I think, if you were to ask the average Brit right now, "Do you think the
Law is on your side?", the answer would tend more to No than to Yes.  This
includes us white European immigrants.

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dave Rotigel
> Sent: 03 February 2007 01:34
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Dolly......
> 
> ......can't you just try harder to get along with these 
> PEACEFUL PEOPLE? 
> See: 
> http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/02/070202153436.fywopsky.html
> 	Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Sat Feb  3 00:56:28 2007
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 08:56:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Dolly......
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202203213.04d5be78@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F262F16ED60F7E0FD778CA8D09A0@phx.gbl>

It's an insult to compare the Muslems in England to the Jews in Germany. The 
Jews were not terorist. They have made up for it in Palestine though !!
John

>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Dolly......
>Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:34:02 -0500
>
>......can't you just try harder to get along with these PEACEFUL PEOPLE? 
>See: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/02/070202153436.fywopsky.html
>	Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Feb  3 02:49:10 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:49:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070202203846.04d5b6e8@mail.alltel.net><001101c74738$5c66f360$0601a8c0@altech>
	<048A356B-1B51-4C64-9DDE-3FFC9C75ED15@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c74780$ef9b8040$0601a8c0@altech>

> On Feb 2, 2007, at 6:09 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:
>
>> Dave
>> This should not be the posture after trying to start an Austral
>> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/ 
>> Rotigel.Dave.2.jpg
>> They start real easy.
>>
>> Peter, z
>
>
> Hiya Pete,
> That picture isn't from exhaustion, it's from boredom.  Those damned 
> Aussie engines -- you pull 'em over once in the morning and there's 
> nothing left to do until you shut it off in the afternoon.  Dullest 
> damned engine I've ever seen!  Give me a Maytag ANY day!
>
> Rob



Me too Rob, Kaye's Maytag sits nicely on top on my Austral water hopper, I 
knew it would come in handy.

Pete, Oz 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Feb  3 05:15:35 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 08:15:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Peter...
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702022359p3bb3237bn4ad93c8022f34781@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702022359p3bb3237bn4ad93c8022f34781@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070203081439.04e10438@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:59 AM 2/3/2007, you wrote:
>On 03/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>How far is it to AMSTERDAM? See:
>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_fe_st/netherlands_nude_gym_2
>>         Dave
>
>I think that folks of a certain age like us might find that a bit of a
>strain, Dave!
>Peter

Peter, I just wanted to go to look--NOT to exercise!
         Dave 



From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Feb  3 06:19:40 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 09:19:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202195512.04cef268@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202195512.04cef268@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070203091737.02f32bd0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Was/Isn't that a Galloway? The engine with a hunk missing from the 
hopper?   Have fun in Florida.  Mark

That was/is a 16 HP MAYTAG! And I still own it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>         Dave
>_______________________________________________

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb  3 06:30:29 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:30:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Peter...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702030929340.37367@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hey Dave,

Be VERY careful what you wish for.  Ever heard of the "Silver Sneakers"
program?

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> How far is it to AMSTERDAM? See:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_fe_st/netherlands_nude_gym_2



From edurand at cybertron.com  Sat Feb  3 07:28:32 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:28:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs
In-Reply-To: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEAOFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Joe:

I finally got the power plant manual.  Frank downloaded it and copied it to a CDROM and mailed it to me!  Thanks!  I'm about a third of the way through it and am learning lots of interesting stuff.

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Joe Prindle
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:09 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs
> 
> 
> After wasting some money on some real crappy 
> quality reprints from an
> outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and 
> have scanned them and
> placed them here for you to download and use free:
> http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm

....................snip.......................




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb  3 06:49:14 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:49:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <001101c74738$5c66f360$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202203846.04d5b6e8@mail.alltel.net>
	<001101c74738$5c66f360$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702030945090.37367@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

Right engine, but wrong reason.  Ol' Dave is recovering from giving the
"Aussie-style" greeting to the women attracted to the Austral.  Reg taught
him well as to HOW to deliver the greeting, he just failed to get across
the idea that, at Dave's advanced age, he needs to pace himself.  After
all, Reg has been in Oz long enough that he's developed that "Aussie
stamina" but Dave is still 100% Yank.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Peter Lowe wrote:

> > PS, Peter, a 2' X 3' Australian flag has been ordered. It will fly proudly
> > over the Austral at Zolfo and each time thereafter that the engine   goes
> > to a show! (Good to have you back, by the way!)
> > PPS, Now all I need to do is learn how to say G'ay Miss--and to perfect
> > that "Australian greeting" that Reg uses on all the cute chicks at      US
> > engine shows! Dave
>
> Dave
> This should not be the posture after trying to start an Austral
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/Rotigel.Dave.2.jpg
> They start real easy.
> Peter, z



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Feb  3 09:20:58 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:20:58 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Peter...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070203081439.04e10438@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702022359p3bb3237bn4ad93c8022f34781@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070203081439.04e10438@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702030920s5e8bfbf9sd771a91cd4bcf9e1@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> At 02:59 AM 2/3/2007, you wrote:
> >On 03/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> >>How far is it to AMSTERDAM? See:
> >>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_fe_st/netherlands_nude_gym_2
> >>         Dave
> >
> >I think that folks of a certain age like us might find that a bit of a
> >strain, Dave!
> >Peter
>
> Peter, I just wanted to go to look--NOT to exercise!
>          Dave
>

Window shopping is no fun....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Feb  2 14:21:29 2007
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:21:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><001501c7470b$8bf5e9b0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202162425.04cf5cb8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c74718$7e932c30$dddeecdc@morris>

Dave

Sydney 2006 my Inter 6 with its flag
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/usa.html

Kerry



>
> By damn Peter, I had not thought of that! I'll look in my Portland box to 
> see if I have one. If not I'll have to buy one and put it in the Austral 
> box to fly proudly at all the 2007 shows! THANKS!
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb  3 12:23:37 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:23:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <000c01c74718$7e932c30$dddeecdc@morris>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><001501c7470b$8bf5e9b0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202162425.04cf5cb8@mail.alltel.net>
	<000c01c74718$7e932c30$dddeecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702031523000.40542@vegeta.city-net.com>

Damn, lookin' GOOD there Kerry!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Kerry wrote:

> Sydney 2006 my Inter 6 with its flag
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/usa.html



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Feb  3 14:36:52 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:36:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <000c01c74718$7e932c30$dddeecdc@morris>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<001501c7470b$8bf5e9b0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202162425.04cf5cb8@mail.alltel.net>
	<000c01c74718$7e932c30$dddeecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070203172904.04e2bec8@mail.alltel.net>

That damn near brings a tear to my eye Kerry! I'll be returning the honor 
at Zolfo and other shows this season. Thanks Mate!
         Dave
PS, Will anyone from OZ be at Portland this year? Kelley and Rob will be 
showing the Austral there, but I'm sure that they would be glad to
         have a REAL Australian helping them!
PPS, What you ask, will Dave, then, be showing at Portland? The PERFECT 
MAYTAG, of course!


At 05:21 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Dave
>
>Sydney 2006 my Inter 6 with its flag
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/usa.html
>
>Kerry
>
>
>
>>
>>By damn Peter, I had not thought of that! I'll look in my Portland box to 
>>see if I have one. If not I'll have to buy one and put it in the Austral 
>>box to fly proudly at all the 2007 shows! THANKS!
>>         Dave



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb  3 17:18:00 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:18:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Old Iron Express Help
References: <00dc01c7467a$6e7feb60$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<200702030038732.SM05588@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <002501c747fa$502b9ca0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Keith. Since posting this request I have learned that DHL can ship 
them to me for about $60.00 which is the way I will probably go and this way 
not have to bother anyone. Thanks for the offer of help.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Old Iron Express Help


> Paul
> Our daughter, Elizabeth, is going to school in Appleton, WI which is about 
> 1/2 hour South of Green Bay.  We don't have any trips planned just yet but 
> wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make a trip up that way in March.   If 
> we do I won't mind hauling them to Evansville for you.
> Keith
>
> 



From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb  3 18:17:16 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 20:17:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Edwards engine
In-Reply-To: <200702031700.l13H05U0007829@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F287657E043240509C4D182CB990@phx.gbl>

Elden, thank you so much for your excellent write-up.  After all the work on 
the engine itself, you put the extra work into showing us all what you and 
Frank have done.  It helps our understanding much more than a quick 
description without all the pictures.

Thaniks again.

Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

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armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
thereafter."
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From dleis at centurytel.net  Sun Feb  4 12:19:43 2007
From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:19:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] swapmeet
Message-ID: <000501c74899$cecdabd0$0601a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

Hi Everyone

      The auction bill is on the BADGER STEAM & GAS ENGINE  web site for the swap meet on may 5th
                                     Stacy 
http://www.badgersteamandgas.com/swapmeet.htm


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Feb  4 13:08:39 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:08:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings 
to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland 
August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees 
and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to 
be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and we 
are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking for 
our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to me 
directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
	So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two 
separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way 
that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
	Dave



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Feb  4 13:46:12 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:46:12 EST
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
Message-ID: <d58.1859fad.32f7ae24@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/4/2007 4:32:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:
The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees 
and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to 
be on a trial basis only. 

Dave,

I have never been to Portland, but will add my .02 worth.  Example is Rough 
and Tumble show at Kinsers, Pa. that I went to for a number of years.  Engine 
folks cleaned and planted trees in their area.  Trees grew.  Engine folks 
cleaned up one end.  Engine folks cleaned up other end.  Tractor folks took over 
one whole end without even asking.  Engine folks were told to keep out campers, 
etc.  Engine folks told to keep out trucks.  Engine folks for the most part 
ran engines all day and where there to answer any spectator questions and talk 
about the great hobby of collecting engines, and had a nice shady area in which 
to do this.  Tractor folks park tractors and walk away.  Engine folks have 
quit going to Kinsers.


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Feb  4 14:10:00 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  4 Feb 2007 17:10:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mystery of Winning on eBay Revealed
Message-ID: <1170627000.45c659b80f151@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

There's a neat FBM "N" model on eBay, but what's AMAZING is that the seller
REVEALED the secret of how to ALWAYS win the eBay auction that you're bidding
on.

Find out more - View this Item
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140079688825

Read the Question for the Seller and the Answer.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Feb  4 14:11:18 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  4 Feb 2007 17:11:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 1947 Fairbanks Morse ZC 3hp with Air Compressor
Message-ID: <1170627078.45c65a061f8a2@webmail.city-net.com>

Neat looking rig...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280076422162

See ya,  Arnie





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Feb  4 14:27:41 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  4 Feb 2007 17:27:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <1170628061.45c65ddd01c53@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

IMHO, it was a dumb experiment.  Put the tractors back out in the flats and let
the engines enjoy the shade.  Most importantly, don't split up the engine area
into multiple sections.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:

> I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings 
> to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland 
> August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees 
> and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to 
> be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and we 
> are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking for 
> our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to me 
> directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
> So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two 
> separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way 
> that will make the show an even better one than it already is?




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Feb  4 14:46:32 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 17:46:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mystery of Winning on eBay Revealed
In-Reply-To: <1170627000.45c659b80f151@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1170627000.45c659b80f151@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204174403.0465ffe0@mail.alltel.net>

At 05:10 PM 2/4/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Folks,
>There's a neat FBM "N" model on eBay, but what's AMAZING is that the seller
>REVEALED the secret of how to ALWAYS win the eBay auction that you're bidding
>on.
>Find out more - View this Item
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140079688825
>Read the Question for the Seller and the Answer.  8-))
>See ya,  Arnie

By Golly Darn Arnie, I'd NEVER have figured that out all by myself! Thanks!
         Dave



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  4 14:57:01 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:57:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
Message-ID: <410-2200720422571843@earthlink.net>

Put it back the way it was, foot traffic was almost non-exisistent in the
new area.  They could put the maytags out there with the tractors as well
since their owners just show up, put them on the ground and leave.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/4/2007 4:37:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> IMHO, it was a dumb experiment.  Put the tractors back out in the flats
and let
> the engines enjoy the shade.  Most importantly, don't split up the engine
area
> into multiple sections.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:
>
> > I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors
meetings 
> > to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the
Portland 
> > August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the
trees 
> > and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were
to 
> > be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place
and we 
> > are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking
for 
> > our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to
me 
> > directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
> > So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in
two 
> > separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other
way 
> > that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  4 15:06:37 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:06:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant Tank & Maytag Lamp on E-bay
Message-ID: <004001c748b1$20440b50$240110ac@FAMILY>

If anyone is interested I just listed a nice coolant tank for a Hit & Miss engine on E-bay 330085046332  

 as well as I just listed a nice Maytag Lamp on E-bay:
      330085090872  


Paul

From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Feb  4 15:06:50 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:06:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <013d01c748b1$28978b60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Dave, here are my views and comments, and the views of a lot of engine folk 
I spoke to, including list and model exhibitors.


"The splitting of the engines exhibitors did two negative things. (This 
applies to the engine folk.)
Firstly, it ruined the getting together of like minded friends, many of whom 
only get to meet once a year.

Many of those who were relocated to the 'New' area commplained to me about 
the lack of viewers through their area. the partial isolation detracted from 
their enjoyment of the event. Indeed, more than one stared they would not 
make the effort to attend in future.

Many of the tractor owners were not impressed with being in the tree area as 
tree dwellers were causing droppings, etc. on their pride and joys.

My personalopinion is that the show is spoiled for me by this change.

The Big engines, ATIS, and all the other engine folk are happier being all 
together in the same grouping. This allows for a lot more 'getting 
together'.
I am sure this must also apply to the tractor owners.

One further point I will make is that this show had become the biggest 
ENGINE show in the world.AND was known  as this, worldwide.NOT the 'biggest 
show' or a major tractor show
The last two years have changed this.
.
I have come halfway round the world to attend four times now.
I do not have the urge at present to come again, the new setup definitely 
detracted from my enjoyment of the event."
 Reg Ingold.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:08 AM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered


> Hi All,
> I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings 
> to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland 
> August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees 
> and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to 
> be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and 
> we are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking 
> for our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or 
> to me directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
> So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two 
> separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way 
> that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Feb  4 15:30:35 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:30:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070204182735.02eaf590@pop3.wcoil.com>

My recomendation would be to put the tractors where the new temporary 
engine area was, leave the steam where they are and put the engines back 
where the new tractor are was.  The engines would be back together and the 
tractors would still have shade.            Mark


At 04:08 PM 2/4/07, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>         I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors 
> meetings to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the 
> Portland August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under 
> the trees and splitting the engine display area into two separated 
> sections) were to be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going 
> to take place and we are being asked for our input. I will forward to the 
> individual asking for our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is 
> sent to the List, or to me directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
>         So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and 
> engines in two separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there 
> some other way that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
>         Dave
>
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Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  4 15:43:50 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:43:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
Message-ID: <005701c748b6$529f7c60$240110ac@FAMILY>

If anyone is interested I just listed a nice New Coolant Tank on E-bay:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Hit-Miss-Engine-Cooling-Tank-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085046332QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Also listed a nice Maytag Lamp if anyone is interested:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Maytag-Lamp-Hit-Miss-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085090872QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Paul


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Feb  4 15:44:19 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:44:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <45C66FD3.4080800@scrtc.com>

Dave,
    I liked the old set up better and a few of the tractor guys I know 
seemed to like the old set up better as well.  The wooded area, while it 
provides some shade, doesn't have as thick an undergrowth and the grass 
is rather sparse in patches.  The tractors work up a lot more dust than 
the other area did.  Also, the gent who had the $2000 clear coat finish 
paint job on his H Farmall wasn't too happy when one of the squirrels 
let a nut fall out of the top of one of the trees and it put a nice 
blemish on the tank of that immaculate paint job.  He told me he 
wouldn't have believed it if he hadn't been sitting on the seat when it 
happened.  My vote is for a return to the old set up but I can live with 
either.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



> Hi All,
>     I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors 
> meetings to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at 
> the Portland August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors 
> under the trees and splitting the engine display area into two 
> separated sections) were to be on a trial basis only. Now 
> reconsideration is going to take place and we are being asked for our 
> input. I will forward to the individual asking for our input anything 
> (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to me directly. 
> (rotigel at alltel.net)
>     So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and 
> engines in two separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is 
> there some other way that will make the show an even better one than 
> it already is?
>     Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From reb at apex.net  Sun Feb  4 16:45:53 2007
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:45:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <005101c748be$fed0ee80$0202a8c0@Dads>

Dave, I would like to see it back the old way myself.  I agree that a lot of
tractor folks park their tractors in the shade and walk off, leaving the
engine displays out in the boiling hot sun.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered


> Hi All,
> I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings
> to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland
> August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees
> and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to
> be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and
we
> are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking for
> our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to me
> directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
> So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two
> separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way
> that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com  Sun Feb  4 17:03:09 2007
From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:03:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <45C6824D.6030509@matthewsfarm.com>

Dave,

    There was decidedly more activity in the engine area than the 
tractor area. I feel spectators who go to see  the activities would be 
better served by being in the shade.  The engine folks would also be in 
the shade.   
    Many tractors were unattended most of the show. 
    I prefer the shade for the engines with them all in one area

Thanks for your efforts.
Bob

<<Bob Matthews>>
  <<NW Ohio>>



Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi All,
>     I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors 
> meetings to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at 
> the Portland August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors 
> under the trees and splitting the engine display area into two 
> separated sections) were to be on a trial basis only.



From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb  4 17:57:47 2007
From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:57:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <005701c748b6$529f7c60$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>

Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on the top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to your suggestions.
   
  Larry.

Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  If anyone is interested I just listed a nice New Coolant Tank on E-bay:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Hit-Miss-Engine-Cooling-Tank-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085046332QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Also listed a nice Maytag Lamp if anyone is interested:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Maytag-Lamp-Hit-Miss-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085090872QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Paul
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  4 18:39:31 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:39:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
References: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007601c748ce$de30ee40$240110ac@FAMILY>

Larry I have no idea if that would work or not, we will wait and see if the 
Big Boys chime in.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Anger" <junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay


> Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on the 
> top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to your 
> suggestions.
>
>  Larry.
>
> Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>  If anyone is interested I just listed a nice New Coolant Tank on E-bay:
>
> 



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Feb  4 18:42:00 2007
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:42:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
References: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003701c748cf$3b1bdb60$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Larry,
   I would say yes.  Our 15 Hp Reid runs cooler than our 22 1/2 Bessemer and 
both have a thermosyphon setups.  A screen helps a lot ; our Patton runs 
quite cool with a screen.      George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Anger" <junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay


> Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on the 
> top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to your 
> suggestions.
>
>  Larry.
>
> Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>  If anyone is interested I just listed a nice New Coolant Tank on E-bay:
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Hit-Miss-Engine-Cooling-Tank-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085046332QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Also listed a nice Maytag Lamp if anyone is interested:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Maytag-Lamp-Hit-Miss-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085090872QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Paul
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From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb  4 19:09:33 2007
From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:09:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <719985.37117.qm@web51404.mail.yahoo.com>

Paul - Do you go to Coolspring or portland shows. I would have to get this tank to Canada and I'm thinking about going to the shows this year. I haven't been for a couple of years. If you go to either show could I get you to bring it that far?? Larry.

Larry Anger <junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca> wrote:  Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on the top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to your suggestions.

Larry.

Paul Maples 
wrote:
If anyone is interested I just listed a nice New Coolant Tank on E-bay:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Hit-Miss-Engine-Cooling-Tank-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085046332QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Also listed a nice Maytag Lamp if anyone is interested:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Maytag-Lamp-Hit-Miss-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085090872QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Paul
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Feb  4 19:17:29 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:17:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <003701c748cf$3b1bdb60$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
References: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>
	<003701c748cf$3b1bdb60$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
Message-ID: <45C6A1C9.8050709@scrtc.com>

Larry,
    I think it would work as long as you're just running the engine.  
The size tank that Paul has would hold probably 15 gallons full, 
probably 10 to 12 in a working capacity.  The water jacket on your 
engine will probably hold about 7 to 10 gallons so the tank would allow 
twice the capacity of your jacket.  I think the primary issue would be 
the size of the tank in comparison to your 20 HP Reid.  I bid on Paul's 
tank and I thought I might try to use it on a 6 HP engine.  But, it 
might work well for what you need also.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Larry,
>   I would say yes.  Our 15 Hp Reid runs cooler than our 22 1/2 
> Bessemer and both have a thermosyphon setups.  A screen helps a lot ; 
> our Patton runs quite cool with a screen.      George
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" 
> <junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
>
>
>> Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on 
>> the top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to 
>> your suggestions.
>>
>>  Larry.
>>



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Sun Feb  4 19:32:08 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:32:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001501c748d6$388e0060$feb0123f@D8LJ7K91>

Dave,

As a 34 year veteran of the Portland show,  I think the change in the engine 
exhibit area was a BIG mistake.  Not only does it break up the continuity, 
it almost strands some of the exhibitors in the north area.  It was 
certainly dishartening to many of those who had to exhibit out there and I 
am wondering if some of them will come back.

 Many tractors just sit there lonely without anyone looking at them or 
tending to them.  I usually walk through and look at the tractors, but I 
don't care where they are.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered


> Hi All,
> I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings 
> to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland 
> August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees 
> and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to 
> be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and 
> we are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking 
> for our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or 
> to me directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
> So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two 
> separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way 
> that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
> Dave
>
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From reb at apex.net  Sun Feb  4 19:56:36 2007
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:56:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
References: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001101c748d9$a270c0f0$0202a8c0@Dads>

Larry I use a wooden whiskey barrel for my 15 Reid with a screen on top of
the barrel, it will run all day with this setup. If I remember right it runs
about 160-170 degrees with this setup.

Dick Bauer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Anger" <junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay


> Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on the
top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to your
suggestions.
>
>   Larry.
>
> Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   If anyone is interested I just listed a nice New Coolant Tank on E-bay:
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Hit-Miss-Engine-Cooling-Tank-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085046332QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Also listed a nice Maytag Lamp if anyone is interested:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Maytag-Lamp-Hit-Miss-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085090872QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Paul
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From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb  4 20:05:18 2007
From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 23:05:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <45C6A1C9.8050709@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <27761.98272.qm@web51412.mail.yahoo.com>

Tommy - I saw that you had bid on the tank. It is probably too short a tank for a 20HP Reid to look proportioned. Also getting the tank shipped would cost more than the tank is worth if I had to ship across the border. I'll not bid on it Tommy. Probably a tank which would hold 25 or 30 gal. would look better on my engine and would be sure to have adaquate cooling capabilities.
  Larry.

Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
  Larry,
I think it would work as long as you're just running the engine. 
The size tank that Paul has would hold probably 15 gallons full, 
probably 10 to 12 in a working capacity. The water jacket on your 
engine will probably hold about 7 to 10 gallons so the tank would allow 
twice the capacity of your jacket. I think the primary issue would be 
the size of the tank in comparison to your 20 HP Reid. I bid on Paul's 
tank and I thought I might try to use it on a 6 HP engine. But, it 
might work well for what you need also.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Larry,
> I would say yes. Our 15 Hp Reid runs cooler than our 22 1/2 
> Bessemer and both have a thermosyphon setups. A screen helps a lot ; 
> our Patton runs quite cool with a screen. George
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" 
> 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
>
>
>> Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on 
>> the top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to 
>> your suggestions.
>>
>> Larry.
>>

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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  4 20:10:20 2007
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:10:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <395716.41539.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Dave,
When I was at Portland  in 2005, it seemed like such a shame to have the
engines (and engine folks) out in the hot sun while unattended tractors
parked in the shade.
When we moved to our own grounds, we had engine display area in the woods
and also some out in the open, without shade. The shaded areas were much
more popular and the open area has since been taken over by tractor folks.
For the folks who are on the list and have not been to Portland, I want to
tell you that it is worth the trip. I had not been there in years and
showed up with an engine and an old gummer. Dave, Arnie, Steve Barr and
the other SEL folks sure made us feel welcome. So many folks to visit
with, so many nice things to see. My buddy still comments that the best
looking gals at the show were in the SEL area. Of course, being married, I
didn't notice....
Joe


 
--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 	I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors
> meetings 
> to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the
> Portland 
> August show.

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA


 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Feb  4 20:23:55 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 23:23:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <001101c748d9$a270c0f0$0202a8c0@Dads>
References: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>
	<001101c748d9$a270c0f0$0202a8c0@Dads>
Message-ID: <45C6B15B.10103@scrtc.com>

Dickie,
    You bring up a good point.  If anyone needs a whiskey barrel, I 
think I can help them out.  We make a lot of that stuff around here 
(legally too!).  There is a cooperage near me that makes new ones or I 
can get those that have aged for 8 years or so full of whiskey.  The 
ones that have been aged have been charred on the inside but the new 
ones wouldn't be.  I got a used one a few years ago for an engine 
project and sandblasted the interior to remove as much of the char as 
possible.  I think the new barrels run about $200.  The used ones are 
around $25 I think (sorry, they're empty).

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Larry I use a wooden whiskey barrel for my 15 Reid with a screen on top of
>the barrel, it will run all day with this setup. If I remember right it runs
>about 160-170 degrees with this setup.
>
>Dick Bauer
>
>
>  
>
>
>  
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Feb  4 21:09:45 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:09:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <27761.98272.qm@web51412.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <27761.98272.qm@web51412.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45C6BC19.5060709@scrtc.com>

Larry,  
    If it will work, please bid on it.  I think as long as you had a 
circulating pump with a screen on top, you could make it work for the 
Reid.  I used to have a gent near me who was one of the old time sheet 
metal workers.  He would use the big rivets to put the tanks together 
and then put a heavy solder seam to seal them up.  But, he retired and 
there's no one around to do that sort of work now.  Here is the type 
tanks he would make for me.  This one he made for my 4 HP Callahan.  I 
still have the bill on it, $28.  Boy, I wished he was still in 
business!  I would bet this tank would cost over $100 to have someone 
else make it now.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=75272337

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=75272338&f=0

Here is the one he made for the Miami.  It was bigger than the Callahan 
tank and he charged me $40 for it.  You can see the heavy rivets at the 
seam in the back.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31374063&p=70276004

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Larry Anger wrote:

>Tommy - I saw that you had bid on the tank. It is probably too short a tank for a 20HP Reid to look proportioned. Also getting the tank shipped would cost more than the tank is worth if I had to ship across the border. I'll not bid on it Tommy. Probably a tank which would hold 25 or 30 gal. would look better on my engine and would be sure to have adaquate cooling capabilities.
>  Larry.
>
>Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
>  Larry,
>I think it would work as long as you're just running the engine. 
>The size tank that Paul has would hold probably 15 gallons full, 
>probably 10 to 12 in a working capacity. The water jacket on your 
>engine will probably hold about 7 to 10 gallons so the tank would allow 
>twice the capacity of your jacket. I think the primary issue would be 
>the size of the tank in comparison to your 20 HP Reid. I bid on Paul's 
>tank and I thought I might try to use it on a 6 HP engine. But, it 
>might work well for what you need also.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>  
>
>>Larry,
>>I would say yes. Our 15 Hp Reid runs cooler than our 22 1/2 
>>Bessemer and both have a thermosyphon setups. A screen helps a lot ; 
>>our Patton runs quite cool with a screen. George
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" 
>>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
>>Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:57 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on 
>>>the top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to 
>>>your suggestions.
>>>
>>>Larry.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>
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From ironman1962 at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  4 21:13:16 2007
From: ironman1962 at earthlink.net (Kevin)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 23:13:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re Transport
References: <27761.98272.qm@web51412.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01f001c748e4$5ab8c3b0$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>

Hello yall,
 Yesterday Richard and I had a nice conversation, on the phone. Nice fella
And I am buying an engine from his collection, and am wandering about any 
list members would be in the.  Cold springs area of PA heading west 
southwest towards western KY tennesee southern missouri, or any where in 
this general direction.
That could help if only a couple hundred miles
. The engine weighs I say good guess,
250 # and can be moved around by one person. I belive Richard said loading 
would be no problem. I will have to get back with him about all that. There 
is no hurry on this. If anyone can help I will make it worth your time out 
of the way and gas.
Thanks
ironman
Kevin Mosier
279-388-4052 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 00:11:53 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:11:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702050011g6cd716fdmce58ae567ea78c7d@mail.gmail.com>

On 04/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
>         I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings
> to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland
> August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees
> and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to
> be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and we
> are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking for
> our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to me
> directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
>         So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two
> separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way
> that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
>         Dave
>

Much prefer the old arrangement, fortunately we missed the changes last year!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Mon Feb  5 00:50:57 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:50:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 6 HP Famous
Message-ID: <007801c74902$c183c8b0$0707eedc@fred>

I had a visit from an engine collector t`day who is selling a 6 HP Inter Famous, if any one is interested email  me and I will send you his details
Engine is TOTALLY restored including rebore ,new piston repaint,eng.is in 1st class condition. located Glen Waverley Vic.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03)97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
Web Site
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/


From oldengines at bigpond.com  Mon Feb  5 02:50:29 2007
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:50:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] off topic ihc 2 1/2 4 trade 
Message-ID: <004e01c74913$73b07960$1c02a8c0@ronliz>

Hi all this will probably only suit Aust. members
Have a 2 1/2hp hopper famous with the harder to find flat bar webster engine is running ,
chasing side shaft or maybe larger type engine other engine does not have to run.
ph.0412901008 bh
0246842243 ah
please check the link Ron & Liz

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc06/cc061064.JPG


From oldengines at bigpond.com  Mon Feb  5 03:05:41 2007
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:05:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] off topic ihc 2 1/2 4 trade
Message-ID: <006d01c74915$931423e0$1c02a8c0@ronliz>

Hi all this will probably only suit Aust. members
Have a 2 1/2hp hopper famous with the harder to find flat bar webster engine is running ,
chasing side shaft or maybe larger type engine other engine does not have to run.
ph.0412901008 bh
0246842243 ah
please check the link Ron & Liz

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc06/cc061064.JPG


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb  5 06:31:29 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:31:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145018.04cd2e48@mail.alltel.net>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPLFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202145018.04cd2e48@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: 45C73FC1.7050806@scrtc.com

Elden,
    I agree with Dave.  Great write up and photos along with some great 
work.  You should definately send this in to GEM as it would make a 
great article.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



> At 02:14 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>
>> Group:
>> I got the Edwards engine running for the first time today.  More 
>> questions than answers!  Take a look here:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html
>> Take care - Elden
>
>
> Hi Elden,
>         Great project and GREAT write-up on it! This should be sent to 
> GEM so that others can read and enjoy your efforts. Reading what you 
> wrote and seeing the pictures was almost like being there. Thanks!
>         Dave
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Feb  5 06:45:45 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:45:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPLFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070202145018.04cd2e48@mail.alltel.net>
	45C73FC1.7050806@scrtc.com
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV34A0C7DA809CCBED23ADABB980@phx.gbl>

Elden, do you have Edwards' full name??  Also, there's one up here in Skips' 
neck of the woods.  He said it's a crappy runner.

RickinMt. 



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Feb  5 06:56:18 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:56:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>

Mark,
Glad someone understood that I was just funning Dave. And yes the Maytag 
sign I was referencing was the sign he used to hang on the side of the 
hopper of his 12HP Hercules.
Poor old guy's memory isn't what is used to be :-)
Curt
P.S. REALLY looking forward to seeing your Austral at Zolfo, Dave.


Mark Shulaw wrote:

> A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag 
> that runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a 
> supposedly running Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by 
> the running Maytag or maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and 
> blanket.     Mark
>
> PS: Just couldn't resist
> PPS: Really
> PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida
>
> At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>
>> At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>
>>> Dave,
>>> Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last 
>>> we heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would 
>>> you need kero?
>>> Curt
>>> P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>>
>>
>> The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where 
>> did you hear that it would not run?
>>         Dave
>> PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the USA) 
>> there--it will be running!
>> PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>> _______________________________________________
>



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  5 07:05:23 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:05:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>

I think the reason the tractors were moved was so that they could be closer 
to the field for plowing, etc. You can't have the tractors driving from the 
old tractor area over to the field area through all the spectators. That's 
not very safe.

Using this picture for a reference this is what I think would work:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/portland/portlandlayout.jpg

I think the engines should be placed back under the trees where they were 
before. All the tractors could be placed to the east end of the grounds. 
Room could be made for them by placing some of the parts area where the new 
engine area is. This would allow all the tractors acess to the field, 
engines to be together and under the trees, and the entire north portion of 
the grounds would be for selling stuff.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

========================

>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
>Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:08:39 -0500
>
>Hi All,
>	I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings 
>to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland 
>August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees 
>and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to 
>be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and we 
>are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking for 
>our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to me 
>directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
>	So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two 
>separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way 
>that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
>	Dave
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Feb  5 06:58:45 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:58:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
Message-ID: <20070205.100102.548.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Dave,

I didn't like the idea of having two sections for engines.
Mainly because I was looking for a certain person's display and didn't
know 
it was in the "other" area.  Lots of walking to find nothing.

As for the tractors being in the trees - Where were all the operators ?
Most of the tractors were parked & left idle.

Engine people stay with their display and answer questions the public may
have.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/   
(_o_)       "I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it."
  


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Feb  5 07:49:11 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:49:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>

GRINNN, Yah you would think he'd remember the Maytag sign that mysteriously 
showed up to truely display the true brand of the engines he loves to 
collect but has to keep the secret by having large engines.
Or is it the compensation factor involved here. Something large to make up 
for something else.
   Think his memory has been tainted by all the shim stock hes been making 
since his retirement?  Mark


At 09:56 AM 2/5/07, you wrote:
>Mark,
>Glad someone understood that I was just funning Dave. And yes the Maytag 
>sign I was referencing was the sign he used to hang on the side of the 
>hopper of his 12HP Hercules.
>Poor old guy's memory isn't what is used to be :-)
>Curt
>P.S. REALLY looking forward to seeing your Austral at Zolfo, Dave.
>
>
>Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
>>A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag that 
>>runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a supposedly 
>>running Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by the running 
>>Maytag or maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and blanket.     Mark
>>
>>PS: Just couldn't resist
>>PPS: Really
>>PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida
>>
>>At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>>
>>>At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dave,
>>>>Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we 
>>>>heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you 
>>>>need kero?
>>>>Curt
>>>>P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where did 
>>>you hear that it would not run?
>>>         Dave
>>>PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the USA) 
>>>there--it will be running!
>>>PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>>>_______________________________________________
>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Feb  5 08:11:00 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:11:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <45C75714.2090201@imc-group.com>

Luke,
Using the aerial photo you posted are you saying that the feature 
tractors could be place just above the area marked "threshing". This 
would be one of the recently expanded parts areas. I think you have an 
excellent suggestion!
Not only did I hear the engine folks complaining about the current split 
of the engine areas, I heard many spectators express dissatisfaction 
with the arrangement too.
Curt

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> I think the reason the tractors were moved was so that they could be 
> closer to the field for plowing, etc. You can't have the tractors 
> driving from the old tractor area over to the field area through all 
> the spectators. That's not very safe.
>
> Using this picture for a reference this is what I think would work:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/portland/portlandlayout.jpg
>
> I think the engines should be placed back under the trees where they 
> were before. All the tractors could be placed to the east end of the 
> grounds. Room could be made for them by placing some of the parts area 
> where the new engine area is. This would allow all the tractors acess 
> to the field, engines to be together and under the trees, and the 
> entire north portion of the grounds would be for selling stuff.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>



From edurand at cybertron.com  Mon Feb  5 08:17:08 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:17:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: 45C73FC1.7050806@scrtc.com
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGECLFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Tommy:

That's a possibility but first, I'm working on something else for them.

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 08:31 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> Elden,
>     I agree with Dave.  Great write up and photos 
> along with some great 
> work.  You should definately send this in to GEM 
> as it would make a 
> great article.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> > At 02:14 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
> >
> >> Group:
> >> I got the Edwards engine running for the first 
> time today.  More 
> >> questions than answers!  Take a look here:
> >> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Ed
> wards.html
> >> Take care - Elden
> >
> >
> > Hi Elden,
> >         Great project and GREAT write-up on it! 
> This should be sent to 
> > GEM so that others can read and enjoy your 
> efforts. Reading what you 
> > wrote and seeing the pictures was almost like 
> being there. Thanks!
> >         Dave
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> 
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From edurand at cybertron.com  Mon Feb  5 08:20:46 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:20:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV34A0C7DA809CCBED23ADABB980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKECLFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Rick:

His full name was Albert York Edwards and I agree with Skip.  So far, at least, it's a snorting, popping, missing, farting and otherwise very irritating runner.  I hope to fix that with a mag rewind and some careful work on the fuel sloshing (for lack of a better word) system.

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 08:46 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> Elden, do you have Edwards' full name??  Also, 
> there's one up here in Skips' 
> neck of the woods.  He said it's a crappy runner.
> 
> RickinMt. 
> 
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Feb  5 08:31:00 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:31:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <45C75BC4.50407@imc-group.com>

Mark,
Truth is Dave is moving to larger and larger engines in a "Trojan Horse" 
scheme he has cooked up. The water hoppers on the 12 HP Herc and 16 HP 
Galloway are large enough that pesky little Maytags can be placed inside 
them and they can be snuck into shows. Once admitted to the grounds by 
unsuspecting gate superintendents, he unleashes the little coughing, 
smokey terrors on his fellow engine enthusiasts and spectators. doG only 
know how many he has tucked in that new Austral. Yah know that story he 
was making up about not wanting to travel with kero in the fuel tank? 
Ohhhh..... that's so he can hide yet another Maytag somewhere. The show 
organizers of Zolfo need to be forewarned of this menace before another 
environmental nightmare occurs in south central Florida.
Curt


Mark Shulaw wrote:

> GRINNN, Yah you would think he'd remember the Maytag sign that 
> mysteriously showed up to truely display the true brand of the engines 
> he loves to collect but has to keep the secret by having large engines.
> Or is it the compensation factor involved here. Something large to 
> make up for something else.
>   Think his memory has been tainted by all the shim stock hes been 
> making since his retirement?  Mark
>
>
> At 09:56 AM 2/5/07, you wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>> Glad someone understood that I was just funning Dave. And yes the 
>> Maytag sign I was referencing was the sign he used to hang on the 
>> side of the hopper of his 12HP Hercules.
>> Poor old guy's memory isn't what is used to be :-)
>> Curt
>> P.S. REALLY looking forward to seeing your Austral at Zolfo, Dave.
>>
>>
>> Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>> A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag 
>>> that runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a 
>>> supposedly running Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by 
>>> the running Maytag or maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and 
>>> blanket.     Mark
>>>
>>> PS: Just couldn't resist
>>> PPS: Really
>>> PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida
>>>
>>> At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dave,
>>>>> Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? 
>>>>> Last we heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case 
>>>>> why would you need kero?
>>>>> Curt
>>>>> P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where 
>>>> did you hear that it would not run?
>>>>         Dave
>>>> PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the 
>>>> USA) there--it will be running!
>>>> PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Feb  5 08:40:45 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:40:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKECLFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV7BC8403A465EBF50CEC09BB980@phx.gbl>

Ok thanks...well Skip didn't say that...the owner did.  You can see it here 
at:


http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1049657943039077051jxLJDf


Anyway..nice job Elden!!

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at cybertron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Edwards stuff


> Rick:
>
> His full name was Albert York Edwards and I agree with Skip.  So far, at 
> least, it's a snorting, popping, missing, farting and otherwise very 
> irritating runner.  I hope to fix that with a mag rewind and some careful 
> work on the fuel sloshing (for lack of a better word) system.
>
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at iglou.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Richard
> > Strobel
> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 08:46 AM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> >
> >
> > Elden, do you have Edwards' full name??  Also,
> > there's one up here in Skips'
> > neck of the woods.  He said it's a crappy runner.
> >
> > RickinMt.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Feb  5 08:42:59 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:42:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKECLFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV12AD1C5FA602E8B73C4708BB980@phx.gbl>

Here's a closeup I thought I had and found:

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1049827223039077051WceiTL


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at cybertron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Edwards stuff


> Rick:
>
> His full name was Albert York Edwards and I agree with Skip.  So far, at 
> least, it's a snorting, popping, missing, farting and otherwise very 
> irritating runner.  I hope to fix that with a mag rewind and some careful 
> work on the fuel sloshing (for lack of a better word) system.
>
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at iglou.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Richard
> > Strobel
> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 08:46 AM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> >
> >
> > Elden, do you have Edwards' full name??  Also,
> > there's one up here in Skips'
> > neck of the woods.  He said it's a crappy runner.
> >
> > RickinMt.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Feb  5 08:53:15 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:53:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702051147000.84614@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Luke,

Are you smoking crack again?  PLOWING???  Get dirt on the tires of those
shiny trailer queens?  I don't think so.  Hell, I'll bet most of 'em have
never even put fluids in 'em.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> I think the reason the tractors were moved was so that they could be closer
> to the field for plowing, etc. You can't have the tractors driving from the
> old tractor area over to the field area through all the spectators. That's
> not very safe.



From oldengin at verizon.net  Mon Feb  5 11:58:52 2007
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:58:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
	<001501c748d6$388e0060$feb0123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <000e01c74960$107c5420$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>


>
>
>> Hi All,
>> I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors 
>> meetings to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the 
>> Portland August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under 
>> the trees and splitting the engine display area into two separated 
>> sections) were to be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going 
>> to take place and we are being asked for our input.

Four years ago I was moved from the location with which I had been for the 
past 10 -15 years. I went into the newly expanded area and loved my new 
location and would go back to it in a second! Then we got moved again this 
time into the new area...  I know that I could have set anywhere I wanted to 
as I am in Portland in plenty of time to do so, so this decision to go into 
the new area was "MY" doing. The first year many many people could not even 
find the engins in this area as parking for the vendors was in front of the 
exhibit area. We had no known water access nor anywhere close to obtain 
water or snacks in this area.  (The horse people do not count as I will die 
before supporting any of them.) I spoke that I would give it another year 
with some changes, which some where made, and this was last year. At this 
moment I will be located some where close to where I want or I can pack the 
few old chunks of rust I bring and go back home. See I know that Portland is 
big enough that my leaving will not affect them and I know someone else will 
fill the spot with which I would leave open, But they might miss some of the 
volunteer help I have always tried to provide and that this is what will 
affect the Portland show. I provide my own porta-trees and only ask for 
enough earth to set and run an engin or two or what ever for the length of 
the show, and I go to bed each night praying to get me back to just one more 
"PORTLAND" but maybe I need to change my prayers.        Leroy Clark 



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Feb  5 12:23:08 2007
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:23:08 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
	<013d01c748b1$28978b60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <010001c74963$742992a0$0300a8c0@FBIVAIO>

Reg's comment about the lack of visitors to the remote engine area was 
something we really noticed - it was deserted most of the time!  Possibly 
because  it was so far from all the food and drink stands?????
Also, it was not well signed, and with a big sprawling area such as the 
Portland showground, it would be easy to miss that area of engines 
altogether.  Certainly, it was a long way to go when someone said "Hey did 
you see THAT engine?"
I noticed when we were last there, in 2004, that very few of the engines in 
the far area were running, and many did not have their owners with them - 
maybe they'd gone to get food / see the rest of the engines, which would 
take a lot longer than if the engines were all in the same area.
As everyone else has noted, the tractor owners generally don't stay with 
their exhibits and are not available to talk to visitors, with the notable 
exception of the owners of the John Deere, running on Coke bottles!!!!
In 2004, we were talking to Leroy about the lack of visitors in the far 
area, and he was keeping count, so his comments and figures would be well 
worth passing on to the Portland Directors.
It's good that they are prepared to listen to the comments of exhibitors and 
are willing to make changes to improve the show.

Dolly & Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>

> Many of those who were relocated to the 'New' area commplained to me about 
> the lack of viewers through their area. the partial isolation detracted 
> from their enjoyment of the event. Indeed, more than one stared they would 
> not make the effort to attend in future.
>



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Feb  5 12:35:51 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:35:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
Message-ID: <20070205223693.SM01532@new.databak.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Sorry about this totally off topic post but the list has helped in 
the past. (Dave Croft's name springs to mind - have not seen his name 
lately on the list - I hope you are well Dave).

         I urgently need a good copy of the Logo of the Sentinel Steam 
Lorry to make artwork. I need to make signs for the one just rebuilt by 
Sandstone Heritage Trust (and I've gotta do it in a hurry).
         I've put a small low resolution example here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Sentinellogo.jpg>
but this is too small for me to copy.

         Any help appreciated.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Mon Feb  5 13:05:01 2007
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:05:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Portland Layout
Message-ID: <000e01c74969$4d184b60$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>

Dave,

The old set-up was much  better for everyone.  All the engines were in one place which helped the spectators and exhibitors.  The tractors provided no working displays and were basically left unattended.  So why did they need the shade anyhow?  There was actually empty space under the trees in the tractor area.  People ended up parking in this area.  If some of the exhibitors didn't have shade, at least some cars and trailers did!

Please feel free to pass this on.

Joe Maurer
toadhill at aeroinc.net


From nick at holden1.net  Mon Feb  5 13:17:09 2007
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:17:09 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
References: <20070205223693.SM01532@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <45C79ED4.000001.05608@YOUR-447023AE6B>

Hi Jerry
This may help you its the best I could find
 
http://www.sentinel-waggons.co.uk/index2a.htm
 
 
 
Nick
Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Jerry Evans
Date: 02/05/07 21:02:55
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
 
Hi Guys,
         Sorry about this totally off topic post but the list has helped in
the past. (Dave Croft's name springs to mind - have not seen his name
lately on the list - I hope you are well Dave).
 
         I urgently need a good copy of the Logo of the Sentinel Steam
Lorry to make artwork. I need to make signs for the one just rebuilt by
Sandstone Heritage Trust (and I've gotta do it in a hurry).
         I've put a small low resolution example here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Sentinellogo.jpg>
but this is too small for me to copy.
 
         Any help appreciated.
 
Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Feb  5 13:54:28 2007
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:54:28 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland setup reconsidered
Message-ID: <00a401c74970$37559970$d8abe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi all,
        Having only attended Portland once in 2004, and reading what everyone is saying.I would say if it aint broke dont try to fix it or it can turn against you.
    Looking forward to meeting many of you again at Portland this year.

Craig in Scotland


From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  5 14:41:35 2007
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:41:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] GARDNER TOOL 
Message-ID: <BAY127-F2FF8F3C67495D13104C46BA980@phx.gbl>

Hi All, i picked up this small tool at a local swap meet on the weekend,it 
is 4in long and fits 1/2in bolt head,it has gardner spayer key on the brass 
plate,the script of the word gardner is identical to the engine script,the 
plate also reads tighten the clamp nuts only if the nuts are screwed up too 
tight the sprayer cannot work properly,hoping some one can tell me what 
engine these were used on,i have posted this question on smokstak aswell 
with a picture attached,cheers Dave

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Feb  5 15:49:00 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:49:00 +1100
Subject: [SEL] GARDNER TOOL 
References: <BAY127-F2FF8F3C67495D13104C46BA980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001301c74980$35ae10b0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi David
I picked up a complete, and in perfect condition, service tool kit for 
Gardiner Tug Boat engine.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/test%20page.htm

Regards
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Australia
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> Hi All, i picked up this small tool at a local swap meet on the weekend,it 
> is 4in long and fits 1/2in bolt head,it has gardner spayer key on the 
> brass plate,the script of the word gardner is identical to the engine 
> script,the plate also reads tighten the clamp nuts only if the nuts are 
> screwed up too tight the sprayer cannot work properly,hoping some one can 
> tell me what engine these were used on,i have posted this question on 
> smokstak aswell with a picture attached,cheers Dave
>
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From dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com  Mon Feb  5 15:58:34 2007
From: dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:58:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
References: <002001c74746$b4b0d8c0$6eaa123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <010601c74981$8c3857a0$6400a8c0@Family>

Hi Glenn,

I plan on going to Laurel, IN in late June; I think Laurel is a couple 
hundred miles from you.  I would surely have room for your flywheel and 
crankshaft if you'd like to wait unitl then, however I could also bring it 
to Coolspring, PA a couple weeks before then if you plan on going.  Though 
Craig might have room for your parts at that point.  I am assuming you'd 
like to get the parts a bit earlier than that.  Let me know if I can be of 
any help.  Take care.

Sincerely,
Tommy Stojanov

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts


Hi Fellers,

I have a 125 pound flywheel and a crankshaft at Craig Prucha's that needs to 
come my way.  Is there anyone up that way coming  towards southern Indiana 
or somewhere nearby where that I could meet them?

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Feb  5 15:58:29 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:58:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign  
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Curt and Mark,
         I sure as hell hope that whatever you two are smoking is 
good--because you must have consumed a lot of it! To set the record 
straight, George Best delivered my 16 HP Galloway to Portland for me in 
1999. By the time Arnie and I arrived at Portland someone had put a 
magnetic MAYTAG sign on it's hopper. That year a MAYTAG muffler flex pipe 
was also seen coming out of the water hopper of the Galloway. I then 
restored the Galloway (See: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html) 
The next year (2000) I took the restored engine to Portland and put the 
magnetic MAYTAG sign back on it from time to time (See: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Portland_2000/ )
         To the best of my knowledge The magnetic MAYTAG sign has never 
been on the 12 HP TG Hercules that I used to own (I could be wrong about 
this however.) If either of you have pictures I would like to see them.
         I understand from reading that I've done that after smoking 
several joints one's perception of reality and their ability to 
differentiate between red and green is somewhat diminished. In the future 
please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and Galloway engines are RED!
         Dave
PS, In 2003 I put that damn MAYTAG sign on e-bay and got $245.00 for it!


At 10:49 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>GRINNN, Yah you would think he'd remember the Maytag sign that 
>mysteriously showed up to truely display the true brand of the engines he 
>loves to collect but has to keep the secret by having large engines.
>Or is it the compensation factor involved here. Something large to make up 
>for something else.
>   Think his memory has been tainted by all the shim stock hes been making 
> since his retirement?  Mark
>
>
>At 09:56 AM 2/5/07, you wrote:
>>Mark,
>>Glad someone understood that I was just funning Dave. And yes the Maytag 
>>sign I was referencing was the sign he used to hang on the side of the 
>>hopper of his 12HP Hercules.
>>Poor old guy's memory isn't what is used to be :-)
>>Curt
>>P.S. REALLY looking forward to seeing your Austral at Zolfo, Dave.
>>
>>
>>Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>>A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag that 
>>>runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a supposedly 
>>>running Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by the running 
>>>Maytag or maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and blanket.     Mark
>>>
>>>PS: Just couldn't resist
>>>PPS: Really
>>>PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida
>>>
>>>At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Dave,
>>>>>Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we 
>>>>>heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you 
>>>>>need kero?
>>>>>Curt
>>>>>P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where did 
>>>>you hear that it would not run?
>>>>         Dave
>>>>PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the USA) 
>>>>there--it will be running!
>>>>PS, What MAYTAG sign?
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb  5 16:28:39 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:28:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>	<6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <45C7CBB7.7030000@scrtc.com>

Dave,
    I am going to loan you a copy of a book written by Gatewood 
Galbraith.  Gatewood has run for Governor (three times), Congress, 
Attorney General and Commissioner of Agriculture.  He's run as an 
Independent, Dem. and under the Reform Party's banner.  While he's never 
won, he has run some respectable campaigns as he still has the 
distinction of being the third highest Reform Party vote getter in 
America (Ross Perot was first and Jesse Ventura was second) during his 
'99 run for KY Governor.  He runs on a platform of legalizing 
Marijuana.  I was reading his book the other night and he talks about 
the first time he took LSD.  He said it opened his eyes to the world and 
changed his perspective on life.  He said he began to realize that there 
was some profound unexplained matters on this earth..... like, is yellow 
really the best color for bananas?  There are 10 running for Governor in 
KY this year and the votes will be split wide open.  Depending on how 
many folks out there like to smoke a joint, you never know.  This time 
next year we may be talking about "Governor Gatewood".

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Hi Curt and Mark,
>         I sure as hell hope that whatever you two are smoking is 
> good--because you must have consumed a lot of it! To set the record 
> straight, George Best delivered my 16 HP Galloway to Portland for me 
> in 1999. By the time Arnie and I arrived at Portland someone had put a 
> magnetic MAYTAG sign on it's hopper. That year a MAYTAG muffler flex 
> pipe was also seen coming out of the water hopper of the Galloway. I 
> then restored the Galloway (See: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html) 
> The next year (2000) I took the restored engine to Portland and put 
> the magnetic MAYTAG sign back on it from time to time (See: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Portland_2000/ )
>         To the best of my knowledge The magnetic MAYTAG sign has never 
> been on the 12 HP TG Hercules that I used to own (I could be wrong 
> about this however.) If either of you have pictures I would like to 
> see them.
>         I understand from reading that I've done that after smoking 
> several joints one's perception of reality and their ability to 
> differentiate between red and green is somewhat diminished. In the 
> future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and Galloway 
> engines are RED!
>         Dave
> PS, In 2003 I put that damn MAYTAG sign on e-bay and got $245.00 for it!
>



From clemsweller at etczone.com  Mon Feb  5 16:40:10 2007
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:40:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
In-Reply-To: <010601c74981$8c3857a0$6400a8c0@Family>
Message-ID: <200702051938258.SM02936@chuckPC>

Glenn, If Tommy can get it to Laurel Indiana, I live about 20 miles from
there.  My son lives in Evansville and we get down there a few times.  With
our first Grandbaby coming in July, I am sure we will be getting there much
more often.  That said, If Larry can get it to Laurel, we can hook up and I
can get it on down to you from there.

Chuck Emsweller
Clarksburg, Indiana

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stojanov
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:59 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need help moving parts

Hi Glenn,

I plan on going to Laurel, IN in late June; I think Laurel is a couple 
hundred miles from you.  I would surely have room for your flywheel and 
crankshaft if you'd like to wait unitl then, however I could also bring it 
to Coolspring, PA a couple weeks before then if you plan on going.  Though 
Craig might have room for your parts at that point.  I am assuming you'd 
like to get the parts a bit earlier than that.  Let me know if I can be of 
any help.  Take care.

Sincerely,
Tommy Stojanov

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts


Hi Fellers,

I have a 125 pound flywheel and a crankshaft at Craig Prucha's that needs to

come my way.  Is there anyone up that way coming  towards southern Indiana 
or somewhere nearby where that I could meet them?

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
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From reb at apex.net  Mon Feb  5 17:29:41 2007
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:29:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
References: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com><001101c748d9$a270c0f0$0202a8c0@Dads>
	<45C6B15B.10103@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <002201c7498e$468937d0$0202a8c0@Dads>

Tommy,
    The barrels worked out real good for the Reid but on a 15 FBM it is
giving me a fit getting all the charcoal off the inside, it keeps flaking
off and will stop up the supply line after running a couple of days.
     I used the barrels for the added water capacity to aid in cooling which
has worked out good. I bleached the Reid barrel and then power washed it and
then after drying applied polyurethane and a Reid decal.

Dick Bauer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay


> Dickie,
>     You bring up a good point.  If anyone needs a whiskey barrel, I
> think I can help them out.  We make a lot of that stuff around here
> (legally too!).  There is a cooperage near me that makes new ones or I
> can get those that have aged for 8 years or so full of whiskey.  The
> ones that have been aged have been charred on the inside but the new
> ones wouldn't be.  I got a used one a few years ago for an engine
> project and sandblasted the interior to remove as much of the char as
> possible.  I think the new barrels run about $200.  The used ones are
> around $25 I think (sorry, they're empty).
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
> >Larry I use a wooden whiskey barrel for my 15 Reid with a screen on top
of
> >the barrel, it will run all day with this setup. If I remember right it
runs
> >about 160-170 degrees with this setup.
> >
> >Dick Bauer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  5 17:38:55 2007
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:38:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] WEE MCGREGOR DRAG SAW ENGINE HELP
Message-ID: <BAY127-F204CC9E59EA7E7AED36722BA9F0@phx.gbl>

Hi All, i also picked up a wee mcgregor engine built by wee mcgregor saw mfg 
coy ashfield sydney 4hp no207,this i think is a rebadged wade/vaughan drag 
saw engine but please correct me if i am wrong,i would apprieciate some help 
with what the original carby was and the ignition system which i assume is 
battery coil ignition also any other imformation on these nice small engines 
would be of help,cheers Dave

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From edurand at cybertron.com  Mon Feb  5 18:00:14 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:00:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV12AD1C5FA602E8B73C4708BB980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEDFFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Thanks, Rick!

I especially like the colors on that one.  Kinda goes with the runnin'.  I can't make up my mind what is worse!     :-)

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 10:43 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> Here's a closeup I thought I had and found:
> 
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/10498272
> 23039077051WceiTL
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at cybertron.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> > Rick:
> >
> > His full name was Albert York Edwards and I 
> agree with Skip.  So far, at 
> > least, it's a snorting, popping, missing, 
> farting and otherwise very 
> > irritating runner.  I hope to fix that with a 
> mag rewind and some careful 
> > work on the fuel sloshing (for lack of a better 
> word) system.
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> > edurand at iglou.com
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> > >  Behalf Of Richard
> > > Strobel
> > > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 08:46 AM
> > > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> > >
> > >
> > > Elden, do you have Edwards' full name??  Also,
> > > there's one up here in Skips'
> > > neck of the woods.  He said it's a crappy runner.
> > >
> > > RickinMt.
> > >
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb  5 19:26:42 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:26:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings
Message-ID: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>

Just curious, I received an email from an SEL member who told me that 
every time I post to the SEL, they receive the post multiple times.  
I've never had anyone tell me this before and my post only appears once 
in my inbox from the SEL.  If anyone else is getting multiple posts from 
me on the SEL (identical posts on the same subject I should add), let me 
know.   We couldn't figure out if the problem the gent has that 
contacted me is on his end or mine.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From reb at apex.net  Mon Feb  5 19:35:45 2007
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:35:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings
References: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000901c7499f$e3462040$0202a8c0@Dads>

Tommy I'm not getting multiple post from anybody here on SEL.

Dick Bauer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings


> Just curious, I received an email from an SEL member who told me that 
> every time I post to the SEL, they receive the post multiple times.  
> I've never had anyone tell me this before and my post only appears once 
> in my inbox from the SEL.  If anyone else is getting multiple posts from 
> me on the SEL (identical posts on the same subject I should add), let me 
> know.   We couldn't figure out if the problem the gent has that 
> contacted me is on his end or mine.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Mon Feb  5 19:39:44 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:39:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
References: <002001c74746$b4b0d8c0$6eaa123f@D8LJ7K91>
	<010601c74981$8c3857a0$6400a8c0@Family>
Message-ID: <003801c749a0$726d4ff0$86a8123f@D8LJ7K91>

Tommy,

Thanks for your offer.  If nothing else comes along, Craig will bring it to 
Coolspring in June and I will pick it up there.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stojanov" <dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need help moving parts


> Hi Glenn,
>
> I plan on going to Laurel, IN in late June; I think Laurel is a couple 
> hundred miles from you.  I would surely have room for your flywheel and 
> crankshaft if you'd like to wait unitl then, however I could also bring it 
> to Coolspring, PA a couple weeks before then if you plan on going.  Though 
> Craig might have room for your parts at that point.  I am assuming you'd 
> like to get the parts a bit earlier than that.  Let me know if I can be of 
> any help.  Take care.
>
> Sincerely,
> Tommy Stojanov
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
>
>
> Hi Fellers,
>
> I have a 125 pound flywheel and a crankshaft at Craig Prucha's that needs 
> to come my way.  Is there anyone up that way coming  towards southern 
> Indiana or somewhere nearby where that I could meet them?
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Mon Feb  5 19:41:04 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:41:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
References: <200702051938258.SM02936@chuckPC>
Message-ID: <003d01c749a0$a1fdd370$86a8123f@D8LJ7K91>

Chuck,

Thanks for your offer too.  Like I told Tommy, if nothing else, I can pick 
it from Craig at Coolspring in June.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need help moving parts


> Glenn, If Tommy can get it to Laurel Indiana, I live about 20 miles from
> there.  My son lives in Evansville and we get down there a few times. 
> With
> our first Grandbaby coming in July, I am sure we will be getting there 
> much
> more often.  That said, If Larry can get it to Laurel, we can hook up and 
> I
> can get it on down to you from there.
>
> Chuck Emsweller
> Clarksburg, Indiana
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stojanov
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:59 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need help moving parts
>
> Hi Glenn,
>
> I plan on going to Laurel, IN in late June; I think Laurel is a couple
> hundred miles from you.  I would surely have room for your flywheel and
> crankshaft if you'd like to wait unitl then, however I could also bring it
> to Coolspring, PA a couple weeks before then if you plan on going.  Though
> Craig might have room for your parts at that point.  I am assuming you'd
> like to get the parts a bit earlier than that.  Let me know if I can be of
> any help.  Take care.
>
> Sincerely,
> Tommy Stojanov
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
>
>
> Hi Fellers,
>
> I have a 125 pound flywheel and a crankshaft at Craig Prucha's that needs 
> to
>
> come my way.  Is there anyone up that way coming  towards southern Indiana
> or somewhere nearby where that I could meet them?
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Feb  5 19:46:44 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:46:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re Transport
In-Reply-To: <01f001c748e4$5ab8c3b0$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
References: <27761.98272.qm@web51412.mail.yahoo.com>
	<01f001c748e4$5ab8c3b0$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205224453.047d6d30@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Kevin, Where is Cold Springs, PA? I'll be near KY in July.
         Dave

At 12:13 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>Hello yall,
>Yesterday Richard and I had a nice conversation, on the phone. Nice fella
>And I am buying an engine from his collection, and am wandering about any 
>list members would be in the.  Cold springs area of PA heading west 
>southwest towards western KY tennesee southern missouri, or any where in 
>this general direction.
>That could help if only a couple hundred miles
>. The engine weighs I say good guess,
>250 # and can be moved around by one person. I belive Richard said loading 
>would be no problem. I will have to get back with him about all that. 
>There is no hurry on this. If anyone can help I will make it worth your 
>time out of the way and gas.
>Thanks
>ironman
>Kevin Mosier
>279-388-4052



From driggars at wildblue.net  Mon Feb  5 19:50:47 2007
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:50:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings
In-Reply-To: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>
References: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <45C7FB17.6010404@wildblue.net>

Sounds like the problem is more than likely on his end. his ISP?
Clint


Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Just curious, I received an email from an SEL member who told me that 
> every time I post to the SEL, they receive the post multiple times.  
> I've never had anyone tell me this before and my post only appears 
> once in my inbox from the SEL.  If anyone else is getting multiple 
> posts from me on the SEL (identical posts on the same subject I should 
> add), let me know.   We couldn't figure out if the problem the gent 
> has that contacted me is on his end or mine.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Feb  5 19:50:57 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:50:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKECLFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
References: <BAY109-DAV34A0C7DA809CCBED23ADABB980@phx.gbl>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKECLFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205225003.047d1cd0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Elden, What is his name now?
         Dave

At 11:20 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>Rick:
>His full name was Albert York Edwards
>Take care - Elden



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Mon Feb  5 19:57:38 2007
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:57:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings
References: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <00b201c749a2$f2b3d5b0$6983fb40@HP28276676518>

Tommy,

Only got your message once here in the Ozarks.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings


> Just curious, I received an email from an SEL member who told me that 
> every time I post to the SEL, they receive the post multiple times.  I've 
> never had anyone tell me this before and my post only appears once in my 
> inbox from the SEL.  If anyone else is getting multiple posts from me on 
> the SEL (identical posts on the same subject I should add), let me know. 
> We couldn't figure out if the problem the gent has that contacted me is on 
> his end or mine.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  5 17:12:07 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:12:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
References: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com><003701c748cf$3b1bdb60$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
	<45C6A1C9.8050709@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <012901c7498b$d2c276b0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Tommy unless I am wrong, and I probably am, this tank will hold about 50 
gallons of water.


Volume Of A Round Tank

  Please Enter Tank Radius And Tank Water Depth

      Tank Radius In Feet
      Tank Water Depth In Feet









The diameter of this tank is 20" or 1.6' which would make the radius = .8' X 
Depth which is 42" or 3.5'.

Am I calculating this wrong? I know it will hold a lot more than 15 gallons.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay


> Larry,
>    I think it would work as long as you're just running the engine.  The 
> size tank that Paul has would hold probably 15 gallons full, probably 10 
> to 12 in a working capacity.  The water jacket on your engine will 
> probably hold about 7 to 10 gallons so the tank would allow twice the 
> capacity of your jacket.  I think the primary issue would be the size of 
> the tank in comparison to your 20 HP Reid.  I bid on Paul's tank and I 
> thought I might try to use it on a 6 HP engine.  But, it might work well 
> for what you need also.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  5 17:18:05 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:18:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
Message-ID: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>

Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much water will it hold". 

I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.

Paul'


From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Mon Feb  5 18:42:31 2007
From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:42:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702051147000.84614@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
	<BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070205211017.00cd6410@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>

At 11:53 AM 2/5/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Luke,
>
>Are you smoking crack again?  PLOWING???  Get dirt on the tires of those
>shiny trailer queens?  I don't think so.  Hell, I'll bet most of 'em have
>never even put fluids in 'em.
>
>See ya,  Arnie


Yup, Arnie - Plowing.  As a tractor guy I think I might put in a nickles 
worth of input.
I am one of the few tractor guys that RUNS his 'engine with wheels' at 
Portland. I have plowed every year we were able to and ran the buzz saw via 
belt with my tractor all week last year!! (-;  Great fun!!
With the new set up the tractors are out back by the new ground the club 
bought so we can plow and maybe do other things one day. Also it is a 
direct path to the race track for the tractor parade they have started to 
have on Saturday. I would not even try to get to either the plow area or 
the race tack on Friday or Saturday from the old area due to the crowds 
walking in the roadways. The shaded area that was engine land is used only 
by the 'feature 'tractors  of the show. They could be moved out with the 
rest of the tractors in my opinion. The club bought 50 acres out there I 
think - plenty of room. The only part of the shaded area that maybe the 
engine folks might not get back would be a section back by the new tractor 
area that the saw mill could be set up in . That would give a little shade 
to those that want to set and watch the mill in action.
At a 'perfect' show the engines that can't move need shade. The tractors 
that can move ( at least those that have owners like me) need room to play.

Portland's only like 6 months away, I can't wait!!!!  (-;

Maybe I should surprise every and bring an engine along with the tractor 
this year??

- Steve


Steve Sewell
Albany, Ohio USA
sewell at atis.net
sewell at ohio.edu



From ironman1962 at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  5 20:39:01 2007
From: ironman1962 at earthlink.net (Kevin)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:39:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re Transport
References: <27761.98272.qm@web51412.mail.yahoo.com><01f001c748e4$5ab8c3b0$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070205224453.047d6d30@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <016d01c749a8$bdb8b280$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>


Dave.
Where in KY will you be ?
I will find out the address and get back with you.

Kevin Mosier
Eddyville, KY 42038

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re Transport


> Hi Kevin, Where is Cold Springs, PA? I'll be near KY in July.
>         Dave
>
> At 12:13 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>>Hello yall,
>>Yesterday Richard and I had a nice conversation, on the phone. Nice fella
>>And I am buying an engine from his collection, and am wandering about any 
>>list members would be in the.  Cold springs area of PA heading west 
>>southwest towards western KY tennesee southern missouri, or any where in 
>>this general direction.
>>That could help if only a couple hundred miles
>>. The engine weighs I say good guess,
>>250 # and can be moved around by one person. I belive Richard said loading 
>>would be no problem. I will have to get back with him about all that. 
>>There is no hurry on this. If anyone can help I will make it worth your 
>>time out of the way and gas.
>>Thanks
>>ironman
>>Kevin Mosier
>>279-388-4052
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From ironman1962 at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  5 20:42:25 2007
From: ironman1962 at earthlink.net (Kevin)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:42:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings
References: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com> <45C7FB17.6010404@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <017e01c749a9$3573ca30$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>

Only came here one time ?
ironman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clint D" <driggars at wildblue.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Postings


> Sounds like the problem is more than likely on his end. his ISP?
> Clint
> 
> 
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>> Just curious, I received an email from an SEL member who told me that 
>> every time I post to the SEL, they receive the post multiple times.  
>> I've never had anyone tell me this before and my post only appears 
>> once in my inbox from the SEL.  If anyone else is getting multiple 
>> posts from me on the SEL (identical posts on the same subject I should 
>> add), let me know.   We couldn't figure out if the problem the gent 
>> has that contacted me is on his end or mine.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Mon Feb  5 20:57:24 2007
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:57:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <000001c749ab$4f8af310$3464a8c0@Eagle>

57 gallons. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:18 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank

Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much
water will it hold". 

I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank that
is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.

Paul'
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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Mon Feb  5 21:01:49 2007
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:01:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <000101c749ab$ebb03f20$3464a8c0@Eagle>

	pi X radius squared equals area in square inches times height equals
volume in square inches

3.14159 X (10 inches) squared  times 42 inches equals 13195 cubic inches

13195 cubic inches equals about 57 gallons


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:18 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank

Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much
water will it hold". 

I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank that
is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.

Paul'
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From bethell1 at iinet.net.au  Mon Feb  5 21:03:07 2007
From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (Jim Bethell)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:33:07 +1030
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <AA03FC410A1C45FAB8EE0DC9E4C7533E@sa.leukaemia.com>

57 US gallons, found sites on Google that calculate for you when you
enter figures.
Regards
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Maples
Sent: Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:48 am
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank

Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How
much water will it hold". 

I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank
that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.

Paul'
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Feb  5 21:10:27 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue,  6 Feb 2007 00:10:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Portland 2000, Grass, and MAYTAG sign  
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <1170738627.45c80dc3d2a94@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

THANKS for reminding us of Portland 2000.  Flashing through those pics reminded
me that Portland 2000 was one HELLUVA good mischief-filled show.  I'd forgotten
that ALL of that stuff happened during one show.  8-)))

And then there were the Portland 2000 events where your ISP made you take the
pics OFF the website!!  8->>  Definitely one of the better years at Portland.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:

> The next year (2000) I took the restored engine to Portland and put the 
> magnetic MAYTAG sign back on it from time to time (See: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Portland_2000/ )




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb  5 21:11:30 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:11:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <45C80E02.5090508@scrtc.com>

Looks like it would hold around 45 to 50 gallons (I have an 
undergraduate degree in engineering and physics, not math.  But, I have 
a calculator that will do it for me!).   Wow, that baby may be too big 
for my toys.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much water will it hold". 
>
>I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.
>
>Paul'
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
>
>
>  
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb  5 21:21:57 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:21:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <45C81075.4040604@scrtc.com>

Paul,
    I went back and checked to make sure the figure I got (close to 50 
gallons) was correct.  Looks like it is. The tank could potentially hold 
more than this.  But, you're not going to be able to run it at 100% 
capacity (10% of it would slosh out with the engine running) so I used 
90%.  I did a calculation a couple of nights ago and came up with 
something like 15 gallons but looking at the calculator, I think I know 
what I did wrong.  There are two ways to figure volume in a cylindrical 
tank.  One uses the diameter and the other uses the radius.  I think I 
typed in the radius (10 inches) when I should have typed in the 
diameter.  Using the radius gives a volume of 14 gallons.  Using the 
diameter gives a volume of 54 (both of these at 100%).  Didn't realize 
that a few inches could make such a difference.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much water will it hold". 
>
>I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.
>
>Paul'
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>
>
>  
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Feb  5 21:28:45 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue,  6 Feb 2007 00:28:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20070205211017.00cd6410@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
References: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
	<BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070205211017.00cd6410@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Message-ID: <1170739725.45c8120d09773@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Steve,

Yep, I've watched you and your buds playing in the dirt and it does my heart
good to see it.  I've even learned a few things watching the plowing and asking
someone "why is he doing THAT"?  AND I'll bet you dinner that your tractor
doesn't look like one of those trailer queens that's "ruined" when a squirrel
drops an acorn on it either.  8-))

One change that they made at Portland that I think was GREAT was doing the
plowing area.  I wasn't even aware they had started a parade.  That's great
too!!

As to your Portland 2007 plans, hell yes bring that engine!!  You know where the
gang will be if you want to set up among friends who will keep your engine
running while you plow.  You can even teach me more about plowing.  Who knows,
one year I might even show up at Portland with a red machine on my trailer with
the engines.  

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting steve sewell <sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu>:

> Yup, Arnie - Plowing.  As a tractor guy I think I might put in a nickles 
> worth of input.
> I am one of the few tractor guys that RUNS his 'engine with wheels' at 
> Portland. I have plowed every year we were able to and ran the buzz saw via 
> belt with my tractor all week last year!! (-;  Great fun!!
> With the new set up the tractors are out back by the new ground the club 
> bought so we can plow and maybe do other things one day. Also it is a 
> direct path to the race track for the tractor parade they have started to 
> have on Saturday. 




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Mon Feb  5 21:36:53 2007
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:36:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <00c801c749b0$d393a990$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Paul,        57.1 gallons   (Pi x 10 x 10 x 42) divided by 231 = 57.1 
gallons            George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank


> Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much 
> water will it hold".
>
> I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank 
> that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.
>
> Paul'
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> 




From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Feb  5 21:37:15 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:37:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Ballarat Swap Australia
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070206163149.01e186b0@ncable.com.au>

G'day all, Not far away again for the Ballarat Swap Meet. For those 
ozzie members who are thinking of coming along this year then make 
your self noticed at our sites. Our group of 4 list members go 
annually and we have a good gathering and a social sip Friday night. 
You are most welcome to join in. Last year we had about 8 or 9 Sel 
members on the friday. Our sites are No 1656 to 1659. Always a good 
time and you always find some real good S..T to take home!
regards Russell

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 23:09:33 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 07:09:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <1170739725.45c8120d09773@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070205211017.00cd6410@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
	<1170739725.45c8120d09773@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702052309g4f914084o5e923024b3499530@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/02/07, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Steve,

<snipped>

> Who knows,
> one year I might even show up at Portland with a red machine on my trailer with
> the engines.
>
> See ya,  Arnie

The Dark Side beckons.... :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 23:13:22 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 07:13:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings
In-Reply-To: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>
References: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702052313u521cbf43t6a431d2b8b2dd3e0@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/02/07, Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> Just curious, I received an email from an SEL member who told me that
> every time I post to the SEL, they receive the post multiple times.
> I've never had anyone tell me this before and my post only appears once
> in my inbox from the SEL.  If anyone else is getting multiple posts from
> me on the SEL (identical posts on the same subject I should add), let me
> know.   We couldn't figure out if the problem the gent has that
> contacted me is on his end or mine.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>

There was a similar instance a year or so back, when the person
involved registered on Oldengine.org with his company server address,
not his email address. Then the server mirrored the emails to everyone
else on the List as well as himself.

Might be worth checking to see what his registered email address is on
the SEL list and that it is the same as his email address.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Feb  5 23:49:01 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:49:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <395716.41539.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <395716.41539.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87F46936-EEA3-4B80-9C3E-D1FB9A6E115A@rustyiron.com>



>  My buddy still comments that the best
> looking gals at the show were in the SEL area.

That, Joe, is because the best looking beefcake is in the SEL area.   
We can't HELP but attract the best looking sheilas.  It's a curse,  
but a burden that we must learn to endure.

>  I didn't notice....

That's ok, buddy, it's not like we think you're gay or anything...

Rob







From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Feb  6 00:59:05 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:59:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
References: <395716.41539.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<87F46936-EEA3-4B80-9C3E-D1FB9A6E115A@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <03bd01c749cd$0fc1f040$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Further to, I sure wish the body was up to the eyeballs!!!! VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered


> 
> 
>>  My buddy still comments that the best
>> looking gals at the show were in the SEL area.
> 
> That, Joe, is because the best looking beefcake is in the SEL area.   
> We can't HELP but attract the best looking sheilas.  It's a curse,  
> but a burden that we must learn to endure.
> 
>>  I didn't notice....
> 
> That's ok, buddy, it's not like we think you're gay or anything...
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From clemsweller at etczone.com  Tue Feb  6 02:36:20 2007
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 05:36:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
In-Reply-To: <003d01c749a0$a1fdd370$86a8123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <200702060534690.SM02936@chuckPC>

No problem.  Just let me know if things change.  

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Karch
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 10:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need help moving parts

Chuck,

Thanks for your offer too.  Like I told Tommy, if nothing else, I can pick 
it from Craig at Coolspring in June.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need help moving parts


> Glenn, If Tommy can get it to Laurel Indiana, I live about 20 miles from
> there.  My son lives in Evansville and we get down there a few times. 
> With
> our first Grandbaby coming in July, I am sure we will be getting there 
> much
> more often.  That said, If Larry can get it to Laurel, we can hook up and 
> I
> can get it on down to you from there.
>
> Chuck Emsweller
> Clarksburg, Indiana
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stojanov
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:59 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need help moving parts
>
> Hi Glenn,
>
> I plan on going to Laurel, IN in late June; I think Laurel is a couple
> hundred miles from you.  I would surely have room for your flywheel and
> crankshaft if you'd like to wait unitl then, however I could also bring it
> to Coolspring, PA a couple weeks before then if you plan on going.  Though
> Craig might have room for your parts at that point.  I am assuming you'd
> like to get the parts a bit earlier than that.  Let me know if I can be of
> any help.  Take care.
>
> Sincerely,
> Tommy Stojanov
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
>
>
> Hi Fellers,
>
> I have a 125 pound flywheel and a crankshaft at Craig Prucha's that needs 
> to
>
> come my way.  Is there anyone up that way coming  towards southern Indiana
> or somewhere nearby where that I could meet them?
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  6 04:03:46 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:03:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Callculating Water Volume in a Tank
Message-ID: <004601c749e6$dbbf46c0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Ok gang thanks to all of you who responded to my inquiry and I now know that the tank I have on sell on E-bay will hold a little over 50 gallons so I can pass this information on to the folks who have written in asking me how much the tank will hold.

Thanks again to everyone.

Paul


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  6 04:32:04 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:32:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <45C75714.2090201@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY129-F178D8BC4C3D9BFB1A3F2BDC89F0@phx.gbl>

That's correct Curt. They could relocate that parts area to the west of the 
trading post.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>
>Luke,
>Using the aerial photo you posted are you saying that the feature tractors 
>could be place just above the area marked "threshing". This would be one of 
>the recently expanded parts areas. I think you have an excellent 
>suggestion!
>Not only did I hear the engine folks complaining about the current split of 
>the engine areas, I heard many spectators express dissatisfaction with the 
>arrangement too.
>Curt
>
>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>
>>I think the reason the tractors were moved was so that they could be 
>>closer to the field for plowing, etc. You can't have the tractors driving 
>>from the old tractor area over to the field area through all the 
>>spectators. That's not very safe.
>>
>>Using this picture for a reference this is what I think would work:
>>
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/portland/portlandlayout.jpg
>>
>>I think the engines should be placed back under the trees where they were 
>>before. All the tractors could be placed to the east end of the grounds. 
>>Room could be made for them by placing some of the parts area where the 
>>new engine area is. This would allow all the tractors acess to the field, 
>>engines to be together and under the trees, and the entire north portion 
>>of the grounds would be for selling stuff.
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>Rockford, Michigan
>>USA

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  6 04:33:53 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:33:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant Tank on E-bay
Message-ID: <007d01c749eb$1138dd30$240110ac@FAMILY>

For you folks who have been writing in and asking me about the tank I have on E-bay for sell here is now what I know about it for sure:

It was custom made for me by John Wanat
It has never been used.
I have had it for about four years.
It is 20" in diameter
It is 42" in height
It will hold 57 gallons of water when full
It weighs approximately 17 pounds (light for it's size)
It is 8-3/4" from the top down to the center of the first hole (inlet hole)
It has 1" pipe fittings at top and bottom.
It is located in zip code 72143 (Searcy, Arkansas)
According to a friend of mine DHL Freight Cost is about $.50/pound from Wisconsin, I am having a set of 130 pound wheels shipped to me for $68.00 from Wisconsin. Just something for consideration.

Hopefully this will help those of you who were wanting to know more about the tank.


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  6 05:08:12 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:08:12 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY129-F3968349788B7EC888029F8C89F0@phx.gbl>

....and some Economy engines are green, right Dave :-)

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=============================

>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>
>In the future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and Galloway 
>engines are RED!
>         Dave
>

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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  6 05:11:36 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:11:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <45C81075.4040604@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY129-F17FF0DD9E8BEE33F914ACBC89F0@phx.gbl>

Some ladies say that it doesn't, but they aren't telling the truth.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

====================

>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>
>Didn't realize that a few inches could make such a difference.....
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

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From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net  Tue Feb  6 05:13:34 2007
From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:13:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolant Tank on E-bay
References: <007d01c749eb$1138dd30$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <004c01c749f0$9be95f90$3a52bc4c@pengy>

Link to auction please?

Thanks

RIck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:33 AM
Subject: [SEL] Coolant Tank on E-bay


For you folks who have been writing in and asking me about the tank I have 
on E-bay for sell here is now what I know about it for sure:

It was custom made for me by John Wanat
It has never been used.
I have had it for about four years.
It is 20" in diameter
It is 42" in height
It will hold 57 gallons of water when full
It weighs approximately 17 pounds (light for it's size)
It is 8-3/4" from the top down to the center of the first hole (inlet hole)
It has 1" pipe fittings at top and bottom.
It is located in zip code 72143 (Searcy, Arkansas)
According to a friend of mine DHL Freight Cost is about $.50/pound from 
Wisconsin, I am having a set of 130 pound wheels shipped to me for $68.00 
from Wisconsin. Just something for consideration.

Hopefully this will help those of you who were wanting to know more about 
the tank.
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Feb  6 05:44:52 2007
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:44:52 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
References: <395716.41539.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com><87F46936-EEA3-4B80-9C3E-D1FB9A6E115A@rustyiron.com>
	<03bd01c749cd$0fc1f040$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <012d01c749f4$fada5910$0300a8c0@FBIVAIO>

Reg, I'll eyeball your body anytime!

Dolly

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>


> Further to, I sure wish the body was up to the eyeballs!!!! VBG
> Reg & Marg Ingold.



From edurand at cybertron.com  Tue Feb  6 06:18:43 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:18:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205225003.047d1cd0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEDPFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Dave:

Thank you for asking that important question.  

The answer is that since he's extremely dead, he is past tense and past caring about his name.  Because he's dead, he won't answer to anything.  To him, a name is unimportant.

Does that work for you?

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave
> Rotigel
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 09:51 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> Hi Elden, What is his name now?
>          Dave
> 
> At 11:20 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
> >Rick:
> >His full name was Albert York Edwards
> >Take care - Elden




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb  6 06:23:40 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:23:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206092231.04821de0@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:18 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much 
>water will it hold".
>
>I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank 
>that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.
>
>Paul'

Come on Paul, You are giving government schools of the 50's a BAD name!
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb  6 06:28:07 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:28:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEDPFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205225003.047d1cd0@mail.alltel.net>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEDPFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206092705.04892568@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:18 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>Dave:
>Thank you for asking that important question.
>The answer is that since he's extremely dead, he is past tense and past 
>caring about his name.  Because he's dead, he won't answer to 
>anything.  To him, a name is unimportant
>Does that work for you?
>Take care - Elden

Hopefully not for several years yet!
         Dave



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb  6 07:13:26 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:13:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <012d01c749f4$fada5910$0300a8c0@FBIVAIO>
References: <395716.41539.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<87F46936-EEA3-4B80-9C3E-D1FB9A6E115A@rustyiron.com>
	<03bd01c749cd$0fc1f040$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<012d01c749f4$fada5910$0300a8c0@FBIVAIO>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206101209.048da778@mail.alltel.net>

Take her up on it Reg. I'll give you the English definition of "eyeball" 
off List!
         Dave

At 08:44 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>Reg, I'll eyeball your body anytime!
>
>Dolly
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>
>
>>Further to, I sure wish the body was up to the eyeballs!!!! VBG
>>Reg & Marg Ingold.



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb  6 07:32:58 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:32:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
In-Reply-To: <BAY129-F3968349788B7EC888029F8C89F0@phx.gbl>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
	<BAY129-F3968349788B7EC888029F8C89F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206103012.048a1c90@mail.alltel.net>

100% correct Luke!
         Dave
PS, For those of you who don't believe this go to: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/eco2.html

At 08:08 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>....and some Economy engines are green, right Dave :-)
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>
>>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>
>>In the future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and 
>>Galloway engines are RED!
>>         Dave



From edurand at cybertron.com  Tue Feb  6 08:17:58 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:17:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206092705.04892568@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEEBFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

I understand perfectly!

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave
> Rotigel
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 08:28 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> At 09:18 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
> >Dave:
> >Thank you for asking that important question.
> >The answer is that since he's extremely dead, he 
> is past tense and past 
> >caring about his name.  Because he's dead, he 
> won't answer to 
> >anything.  To him, a name is unimportant
> >Does that work for you?
> >Take care - Elden
> 
> Hopefully not for several years yet!
>          Dave




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Feb  6 09:23:31 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:23:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>	<6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <45C8B993.8020600@imc-group.com>

Dave,
Our very first away engine show was years ago to Evansville, IN. I had 
my first engine in the back of the Dodge truck, a 3HP Jaeger, that 
several of us had to manually unload from the truck to display in the 
show area. Didn't know a soul there, had never even heard of the SEL, 
and didn't join "the group" when invited to the Log Inn for dinner on 
Sat. evening (only year missed).
Missy and I both laughed at the funny Maytag sign on the huge beast of a 
green engine there. As I recall we later learned it was a 12HP Hercules 
and some guy named Dave Rotigel owned it. We never did meet you at that 
show.
We were taken under the wing by Jim & MaryAnna White, Charlie Bryant and 
a few others from St. Louis area and spent most of the weekend with them.
Admittedly that is a lot of years ago and we were real green to the 
hobby, but that is my recollection of a Maytag sign on your big green 
Hercules. I'm thinking that was the anniversary year of Herc/Econ 
engines and there were 5, 12HP Hercs there. Again, the memory is fuzzy. 
Perhaps it IS what I have smoked :-)
Curt


Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Hi Curt and Mark,
>         I sure as hell hope that whatever you two are smoking is 
> good--because you must have consumed a lot of it! To set the record 
> straight, George Best delivered my 16 HP Galloway to Portland for me 
> in 1999. By the time Arnie and I arrived at Portland someone had put a 
> magnetic MAYTAG sign on it's hopper. That year a MAYTAG muffler flex 
> pipe was also seen coming out of the water hopper of the Galloway. I 
> then restored the Galloway (See: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html) 
> The next year (2000) I took the restored engine to Portland and put 
> the magnetic MAYTAG sign back on it from time to time (See: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Portland_2000/ )
>         To the best of my knowledge The magnetic MAYTAG sign has never 
> been on the 12 HP TG Hercules that I used to own (I could be wrong 
> about this however.) If either of you have pictures I would like to 
> see them.
>         I understand from reading that I've done that after smoking 
> several joints one's perception of reality and their ability to 
> differentiate between red and green is somewhat diminished. In the 
> future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and Galloway 
> engines are RED!
>         Dave
> PS, In 2003 I put that damn MAYTAG sign on e-bay and got $245.00 for it!
>
>
> At 10:49 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>> GRINNN, Yah you would think he'd remember the Maytag sign that 
>> mysteriously showed up to truely display the true brand of the 
>> engines he loves to collect but has to keep the secret by having 
>> large engines.
>> Or is it the compensation factor involved here. Something large to 
>> make up for something else.
>>   Think his memory has been tainted by all the shim stock hes been 
>> making since his retirement?  Mark
>>
>>
>> At 09:56 AM 2/5/07, you wrote:
>>> Mark,
>>> Glad someone understood that I was just funning Dave. And yes the 
>>> Maytag sign I was referencing was the sign he used to hang on the 
>>> side of the hopper of his 12HP Hercules.
>>> Poor old guy's memory isn't what is used to be :-)
>>> Curt
>>> P.S. REALLY looking forward to seeing your Austral at Zolfo, Dave.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>>
>>>> A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag 
>>>> that runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a 
>>>> supposedly running Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by 
>>>> the running Maytag or maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and 
>>>> blanket.     Mark
>>>>
>>>> PS: Just couldn't resist
>>>> PPS: Really
>>>> PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida
>>>>
>>>> At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>> Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? 
>>>>>> Last we heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case 
>>>>>> why would you need kero?
>>>>>> Curt
>>>>>> P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where 
>>>>> did you hear that it would not run?
>>>>>         Dave
>>>>> PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the 
>>>>> USA) there--it will be running!
>>>>> PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> Mark & Christine Shulaw
>> 454 Co. Rd. 33
>> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>>
>> Home #419.358.5206
>> Verizon Cell
>> #419.516.2996 Mark
>> #330.475.4450 Christine
>>
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From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Tue Feb  6 10:05:48 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:05:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<45C81075.4040604@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <014601c74a19$6e460970$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Are you using inside dimensions on that tank?
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank


> Paul,
>    I went back and checked to make sure the figure I got (close to 50 
> gallons) was correct.  Looks like it is. The tank could potentially hold 
> more than this.  But, you're not going to be able to run it at 100% 
> capacity (10% of it would slosh out with the engine running) so I used 
> 90%.  I did a calculation a couple of nights ago and came up with 
> something like 15 gallons but looking at the calculator, I think I know 
> what I did wrong.  There are two ways to figure volume in a cylindrical 
> tank.  One uses the diameter and the other uses the radius.  I think I 
> typed in the radius (10 inches) when I should have typed in the diameter. 
> Using the radius gives a volume of 14 gallons.  Using the diameter gives a 
> volume of 54 (both of these at 100%).  Didn't realize that a few inches 
> could make such a difference.....
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much 
>>water will it hold".
>>I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank 
>>that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.
>>
>>Paul'
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Feb  6 10:57:32 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:57:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014601c74a19$6e460970$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>	<45C81075.4040604@scrtc.com>
	<014601c74a19$6e460970$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: 45C8CF9C.6040305@scrtc.com

Skip,
    Here's what I used.  The tank dimensions are 20" by 42".  I wasn't 
sure if it was 20" ID measure or 20" OD.  If you'll notice, it has a 
rolled lip, about 1/4 inch.  To be on the safe side, I assumed 20" OD 
measure (at the top)  minus 1/2 inch (for the rolled lip) which makes an 
ID of 19 1/2.  It may be 20" ID but as I said, I wanted to be on the 
safe side.  Put in the calculations and 19 1/2 by 42 gives you 54.3 
gallons.  An old engine tank won't hold 100% of its volume (your going 
to slosh out a bit of it) so I figured about 90% actual water in the 
tank which equates to slightly less than 50 gallons for engine running 
purposes.  Not sure if 19.5 should be used or 20, it depends on how John 
W. measured and rolled the material.  On the tanks that I've had made, 
the guy always uses OD as if I told him a tank had to be 24 inches and 
he used ID, then once he's finished, with a rolled lip, etc, it actually 
covers about 25 inches.  If its to fit into a base or tight quarters, it 
could be trouble.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Are you using inside dimensions on that tank?
> Skip
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" 
> <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
>
>
>> Paul,
>>    I went back and checked to make sure the figure I got (close to 50 
>> gallons) was correct.  Looks like it is. The tank could potentially 
>> hold more than this.  But, you're not going to be able to run it at 
>> 100% capacity (10% of it would slosh out with the engine running) so 
>> I used 90%.  I did a calculation a couple of nights ago and came up 
>> with something like 15 gallons but looking at the calculator, I think 
>> I know what I did wrong.  There are two ways to figure volume in a 
>> cylindrical tank.  One uses the diameter and the other uses the 
>> radius.  I think I typed in the radius (10 inches) when I should have 
>> typed in the diameter. Using the radius gives a volume of 14 
>> gallons.  Using the diameter gives a volume of 54 (both of these at 
>> 100%).  Didn't realize that a few inches could make such a 
>> difference.....
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>> Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is 
>>> "How much water will it hold".
>>> I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round 
>>> tank that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.
>>>
>>> Paul'
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  6 11:54:26 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:54:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant Tank on E-bay
References: <007d01c749eb$1138dd30$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<004c01c749f0$9be95f90$3a52bc4c@pengy>
Message-ID: <005f01c74a28$9e2f5d80$240110ac@FAMILY>

Here it is Rick:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330085046332&rd=1&rd=1

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <rowlands1941 at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant Tank on E-bay


> Link to auction please?
>
> Thanks
>
> RIck
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:33 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Coolant Tank on E-bay
>
>
> For you folks who have been writing in and asking me about the tank I have 
> on E-bay for sell here is now what I know about it for sure:
>
> It was custom made for me by John Wanat
> It has never been used.
> I have had it for about four years.
> It is 20" in diameter
> It is 42" in height
> It will hold 57 gallons of water when full
> It weighs approximately 17 pounds (light for it's size)
> It is 8-3/4" from the top down to the center of the first hole (inlet 
> hole)
> It has 1" pipe fittings at top and bottom.
> It is located in zip code 72143 (Searcy, Arkansas)
> According to a friend of mine DHL Freight Cost is about $.50/pound from 
> Wisconsin, I am having a set of 130 pound wheels shipped to me for $68.00 
> from Wisconsin. Just something for consideration.
>
> Hopefully this will help those of you who were wanting to know more about 
> the tank.
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Tue Feb  6 12:18:04 2007
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:18:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net><BAY129-F3968349788B7EC888029F8C89F0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070206103012.048a1c90@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <005301c74a2b$e9842830$8f44e5d8@HP28276676518>

Dave,

There are at least two green Economy engines.  I bought a green one several 
years ago.  I know it should be red, but it looks good in green.  I don't 
know if it will ever be repainted while I have it.  Same story as to the 
green paint, the PO didn't know what color it should be, and someone told 
him it was supposed to be green, so he painted it green.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign


> 100% correct Luke!
>         Dave
> PS, For those of you who don't believe this go to: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/eco2.html
>
> At 08:08 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>>....and some Economy engines are green, right Dave :-)
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>
>>>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>>
>>>In the future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and 
>>>Galloway engines are RED!
>>>         Dave
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Feb  6 13:24:09 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:24:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net><BAY129-F3968349788B7EC888029F8C89F0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070206103012.048a1c90@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <048801c74a36$26389400$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hey, ya had black hair back then!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign


> 100% correct Luke!
>         Dave
> PS, For those of you who don't believe this go to: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/eco2.html
> 
> At 08:08 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>>....and some Economy engines are green, right Dave :-)
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>
>>>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>>
>>>In the future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and 
>>>Galloway engines are RED!
>>>         Dave
> 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Feb  6 13:03:38 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:03:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
In-Reply-To: <200702061700.l16H05s6014471@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200702062337843.SM01796@new.databak.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 06/02/2007, you wrote:
>From: "Nick Holden" <nick at holden1.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Hi Jerry
>This may help you its the best I could find
>
>http://www.sentinel-waggons.co.uk/index2a.htm

Hi Nick,
         Thanks for the input. That is where I got the low res version and 
a friend has posted there to ask for a better version but no joy yet.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Feb  6 13:35:58 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:35:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank volume
In-Reply-To: <200702061700.l16H05s6014471@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200702062337109.SM01796@new.databak.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 06/02/2007, you wrote:
>Message: 25
>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
>
>Tommy unless I am wrong, and I probably am, this tank will hold about 50
>gallons of water.
>
>Volume Of A Round Tank
>   Please Enter Tank Radius And Tank Water Depth
>       Tank Radius In Feet
>       Tank Water Depth In Feet
>The diameter of this tank is 20" or 1.6' which would make the radius = .8' X
>Depth which is 42" or 3.5'.
>Am I calculating this wrong? I know it will hold a lot more than 15 gallons.
>Paul


>Hi Paul and All

I get the digest version of the SEL so this question has already been 
answered by others but here is the formula for volume. (This is for a 
cylinder - a rectangular tank is easier)

Volume= Area x height (or depth)

Area (of a circle) = pi  x radius squared. (Sorry this is not how it's 
usually written but I dunno how to put that little superscript "2" up there 
with this keyboard :-))

So you just work out the area of the cylinder base and multiply it by the 
height (or depth) and the result will be the volume (in whatever units you 
are using).

         O.K. - I know most of you already know this but the reason for 
this post is just to re-introduce you to a small free programme that I use 
(and posted to the list a year or so back). It is called "Convert.exe" and 
is very useful to convert almost any unit of measurement to almost any 
other unit of measurement. (Like 57 USGallons to 47.46241 English Gallons 
to 215.7685 Litres).

         The writers blurb states "Convert is an easy to use unit 
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Feb  6 14:58:58 2007
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:58:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Arthur Southwell
Message-ID: <019901c74a42$6356d340$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Can someone help me out with Arthur's email address.

Jim

Jim and Diane
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  6 15:39:37 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:39:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank volume
References: <200702062337109.SM01796@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <00b901c74a48$10e43340$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Jerry for the conversion program, I have downloaded it and will be 
using it in the future.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank volume


> At 07:00 PM 06/02/2007, you wrote:




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb  6 15:53:41 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:53:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
In-Reply-To: <005301c74a2b$e9842830$8f44e5d8@HP28276676518>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
	<BAY129-F3968349788B7EC888029F8C89F0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070206103012.048a1c90@mail.alltel.net>
	<005301c74a2b$e9842830$8f44e5d8@HP28276676518>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206185302.04a23738@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Gary, I'm glad to be in good company!
         Dave

At 03:18 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>Dave,
>
>There are at least two green Economy engines.  I bought a green one 
>several years ago.  I know it should be red, but it looks good in 
>green.  I don't know if it will ever be repainted while I have it.  Same 
>story as to the green paint, the PO didn't know what color it should be, 
>and someone told him it was supposed to be green, so he painted it green.
>
>Gary
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:32 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
>
>
>>100% correct Luke!
>>         Dave
>>PS, For those of you who don't believe this go to: 
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/eco2.html
>>
>>At 08:08 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>>>....and some Economy engines are green, right Dave :-)
>>>
>>>Luke Tonneberger
>>>
>>>>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>>>
>>>>In the future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and 
>>>>Galloway engines are RED!
>>>>         Dave
>>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb  6 13:31:45 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:31:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
In-Reply-To: <45C8B993.8020600@imc-group.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C8B993.8020600@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206162211.0497de20@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Curt,
         Although I don't remember having the magnetic MAYTAG sign on the 
Hercules at the SIAM that year (was that the 80th Hercules celebration?) I 
know that I had a LOT of fun with that MAYTAG sign that Mark was kind 
enough to give me. So, perhaps, you are correct!
         Dave
PS, Mark, I really DID NOT sell the sign on e-bay for $245.00. It still 
hangs on my gun safe and brings back GOOD memories every time 
I         look at it!
PPS, Curt, Don't know how in the hell I missed Missy that year. Had I known 
she was with you I would have INSISTED that you join us at  the Log Inn!

At 12:23 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>Dave,
>Our very first away engine show was years ago to Evansville, IN. I had my 
>first engine in the back of the Dodge truck, a 3HP Jaeger, that several of 
>us had to manually unload from the truck to display in the show area. 
>Didn't know a soul there, had never even heard of the SEL, and didn't join 
>"the group" when invited to the Log Inn for dinner on Sat. evening (only 
>year missed).
>Missy and I both laughed at the funny Maytag sign on the huge beast of a 
>green engine there. As I recall we later learned it was a 12HP Hercules 
>and some guy named Dave Rotigel owned it. We never did meet you at that show.
>We were taken under the wing by Jim & MaryAnna White, Charlie Bryant and a 
>few others from St. Louis area and spent most of the weekend with them.
>Admittedly that is a lot of years ago and we were real green to the hobby, 
>but that is my recollection of a Maytag sign on your big green Hercules. 
>I'm thinking that was the anniversary year of Herc/Econ engines and there 
>were 5, 12HP Hercs there. Again, the memory is fuzzy. Perhaps it IS what I 
>have smoked :-)
>Curt
>
>
>Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>Hi Curt and Mark,
>>         I sure as hell hope that whatever you two are smoking is 
>> good--because you must have consumed a lot of it! To set the record 
>> straight, George Best delivered my 16 HP Galloway to Portland for me in 
>> 1999. By the time Arnie and I arrived at Portland someone had put a 
>> magnetic MAYTAG sign on it's hopper. That year a MAYTAG muffler flex 
>> pipe was also seen coming out of the water hopper of the Galloway. I 
>> then restored the Galloway (See: 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html) 
>> The next year (2000) I took the restored engine to Portland and put the 
>> magnetic MAYTAG sign back on it from time to time (See: 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Portland_2000/ )
>>         To the best of my knowledge The magnetic MAYTAG sign has never 
>> been on the 12 HP TG Hercules that I used to own (I could be wrong about 
>> this however.) If either of you have pictures I would like to see them.
>>         I understand from reading that I've done that after smoking 
>> several joints one's perception of reality and their ability to 
>> differentiate between red and green is somewhat diminished. In the 
>> future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and Galloway 
>> engines are RED!
>>         Dave
>>PS, In 2003 I put that damn MAYTAG sign on e-bay and got $245.00 for it!
>>
>>
>>At 10:49 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>>>GRINNN, Yah you would think he'd remember the Maytag sign that 
>>>mysteriously showed up to truely display the true brand of the engines 
>>>he loves to collect but has to keep the secret by having large engines.
>>>Or is it the compensation factor involved here. Something large to make 
>>>up for something else.
>>>   Think his memory has been tainted by all the shim stock hes been 
>>> making since his retirement?  Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>At 09:56 AM 2/5/07, you wrote:
>>>>Mark,
>>>>Glad someone understood that I was just funning Dave. And yes the 
>>>>Maytag sign I was referencing was the sign he used to hang on the side 
>>>>of the hopper of his 12HP Hercules.
>>>>Poor old guy's memory isn't what is used to be :-)
>>>>Curt
>>>>P.S. REALLY looking forward to seeing your Austral at Zolfo, Dave.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag 
>>>>>that runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a 
>>>>>supposedly running Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by 
>>>>>the running Maytag or maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and 
>>>>>blanket.     Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>PS: Just couldn't resist
>>>>>PPS: Really
>>>>>PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida
>>>>>
>>>>>At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dave,
>>>>>>>Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last 
>>>>>>>we heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would 
>>>>>>>you need kero?
>>>>>>>Curt
>>>>>>>P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where 
>>>>>>did you hear that it would not run?
>>>>>>         Dave
>>>>>>PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the USA) 
>>>>>>there--it will be running!
>>>>>>PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>Mark & Christine Shulaw
>>>454 Co. Rd. 33
>>>Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>>>
>>>Home #419.358.5206
>>>Verizon Cell
>>>#419.516.2996 Mark
>>>#330.475.4450 Christine
>>>
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>>
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From edurand at cybertron.com  Wed Feb  7 06:18:53 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:18:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Arthur Southwell
In-Reply-To: <019901c74a42$6356d340$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEEMFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Jim:

Here 'tis:

asouth42 at earthlink.net

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim and
> Diane
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 04:59 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Arthur Southwell
> 
> 
> Can someone help me out with Arthur's email address.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Feb  7 08:29:30 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:29:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arthur Southwell
Message-ID: <20070207.112937.1012.12.jlb94@juno.com>

This is what I have Jim,

asouth42 at earthlink.net 


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/   
 (_o_)       "I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it."


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Feb  7 11:55:17 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:55:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: THE MAYTAG sign
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206162211.0497de20@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C8B993.8020600@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070206162211.0497de20@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702071448480.5273@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hey Guys,

I VIVIDLY remember that Herc show at SIAM.  That was when the local
TV "Fluff Chick" sat on the seat of Keith's horse-drawn Herc engine cart
to do her local live TV segment.  I seem to recall someone bagging the
seat and later selling "sniffs."  8->>  Surely SOMEONE has pics of that
event?

But the first time than the infamous "Maytag Sign" got attached to an
engine was to Dave's Galloway the first year it was at Portland, still
pink, and fresh off George Best's trailer having come in from Washington.

ISTR that Maytag sign also get attached to Dave's truck...

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote:

>          Although I don't remember having the magnetic MAYTAG sign on the
> Hercules at the SIAM that year (was that the 80th Hercules celebration?) I
> know that I had a LOT of fun with that MAYTAG sign that Mark was kind
> enough to give me. So, perhaps, you are correct!
>          Dave
> PPS, Curt, Don't know how in the hell I missed Missy that year. Had I known
> she was with you I would have INSISTED that you join us at  the Log Inn!


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Feb  7 12:55:14 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:55:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: THE MAYTAG sign
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com><45C74592.80702@imc-group.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net><45C8B993.8020600@imc-group.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070206162211.0497de20@mail.alltel.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702071448480.5273@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c74afa$4443ec50$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Arnie

Was that the year we were there, 1999, I remember that ugly big hunk of iron 
dumped on the ground and everyone trying to start it, just like a Maytag it 
would not run first go ;-))

Peter, Oz




> Hey Guys,
>
> But the first time than the infamous "Maytag Sign" got attached to an
> engine was to Dave's Galloway the first year it was at Portland, still
> pink, and fresh off George Best's trailer having come in from Washington.




From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Feb  7 17:13:37 2007
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:13:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Ballan
Message-ID: <01d701c74b1e$5c7768a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

To Oz members.  Anybody on the list going to the Ballan Rally and if so is it only on the 18th.  Thanks.

Ron
Canberra


From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  7 21:52:06 2007
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:52:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Ballan
In-Reply-To: <01d701c74b1e$5c7768a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F154EF667F318BE6C9C1EB9BA9D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Ron, i have my local club newsletter and it says ballan on the 18th so i 
presume it is a one dayer,cheers Dave


>From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>,   
>      <"undisclosed-recipients:"@m0.velocity.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] Ballan
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:13:37 +1100
>
>To Oz members.  Anybody on the list going to the Ballan Rally and if so is 
>it only on the 18th.  Thanks.
>
>Ron
>Canberra
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Feb  8 03:39:49 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:39:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
Message-ID: <015301c74b76$1314e8b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Every engine nut should see this!
It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.

http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html 

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Thu Feb  8 08:10:43 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:10:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Fire in shed
In-Reply-To: <015301c74b76$1314e8b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <200702081610.l18GAj3g033053@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:40 AM
To: List SEL
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed

Every engine nut should see this!
It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.

http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html 

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What a heartbreaker!  Sad.  

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   




From shop at cccomm.net  Thu Feb  8 08:21:28 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:21:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
References: <20060907032556.96594.qmail@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c74b9d$2fa35350$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Anyone know where or how to date a  2 hp Fairbanks Morse T ?
It doesn't have the flap door on the mixer, it has single split flywheels, 
and the handhole cover is vented. The name plate is not a casting as most 
are, but a stamped sheet of brass. The patent date is '07.

Thanks in advance
Dave




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Feb  8 09:11:52 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:11:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
Message-ID: <20070208.091152.540.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

What is the serial number Dave?  Should be on the head and block where
they meet.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:21:28 -0800 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
> Anyone know where or how to date a  2 hp Fairbanks Morse T ?
> It doesn't have the flap door on the mixer, it has single split 
> flywheels, 
> and the handhole cover is vented. The name plate is not a casting as 
> most 
> are, but a stamped sheet of brass. The patent date is '07.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Dave


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Feb  8 09:17:17 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:17:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
Message-ID: <20070208.121759.1176.5.jlb94@juno.com>


Best I can do.
I have this site in the archives.
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page17.html

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/   
 (_o_)       "I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it."


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb  8 12:16:03 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:16:03 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
References: <200702062337843.SM01796@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <000f01c74bbd$f877a040$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry


> At 07:00 PM 06/02/2007, you wrote:
>>From: "Nick Holden" <nick at holden1.net>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Hi Jerry
>>This may help you its the best I could find
>>http://www.sentinel-waggons.co.uk/index2a.htm
> 
> Hi Nick,
>         Thanks for the input. That is where I got the low res version and 
> a friend has posted there to ask for a better version but no joy yet.
> Jerry Evans

Hi Jerry, I managed to contact the graphics person in the Sentinel-waggons group.
Her name is Dianne Carney. Her E Mail is stn.editor at uwclub.net.
She says she has just sent the image to someone in SA, probably your friend!
Any problems just contact her, she seems a nice lass.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  8 13:12:35 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:12:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 35, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <200702081700.l18H05Zx002017@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F317DD0E235B5B2AC78F7FCCB9D0@phx.gbl>

>>>Every engine nut should see this!
>>>It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.

>>>http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html

What a damned shame, Reg.  My heart goes out to those folks.  When the 
irreplaceable is lost, there's no way to fix it.



Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted 
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
thereafter."
E. Hemingway





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>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:00:05 -0500
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>Today's Topics:
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>    1. Re: THE MAYTAG sign (Arnie Fero)
>    2. Re: Re: THE MAYTAG sign (Peter Lowe)
>    3. Ballan (Ron Page)
>    4. RE: Ballan (David Nicolson)
>    5. Fw: Fire in shed (R & M Ingold)
>    6. Spam> Fire in shed (Orrin Iseminger)
>    7. Fairbanks Morse T (Dave Ernst)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:55:17 -0500 (EST)
>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Re: THE MAYTAG sign
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702071448480.5273 at vegeta.city-net.com>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hey Guys,
>
>I VIVIDLY remember that Herc show at SIAM.  That was when the local
>TV "Fluff Chick" sat on the seat of Keith's horse-drawn Herc engine cart
>to do her local live TV segment.  I seem to recall someone bagging the
>seat and later selling "sniffs."  8->>  Surely SOMEONE has pics of that
>event?
>
>But the first time than the infamous "Maytag Sign" got attached to an
>engine was to Dave's Galloway the first year it was at Portland, still
>pink, and fresh off George Best's trailer having come in from Washington.
>
>ISTR that Maytag sign also get attached to Dave's truck...
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
> >          Although I don't remember having the magnetic MAYTAG sign on 
>the
> > Hercules at the SIAM that year (was that the 80th Hercules celebration?) 
>I
> > know that I had a LOT of fun with that MAYTAG sign that Mark was kind
> > enough to give me. So, perhaps, you are correct!
> >          Dave
> > PPS, Curt, Don't know how in the hell I missed Missy that year. Had I 
>known
> > she was with you I would have INSISTED that you join us at  the Log Inn!
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:55:14 +1100
>From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: THE MAYTAG sign
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <001a01c74afa$4443ec50$0601a8c0 at altech>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>Hi Arnie
>
>Was that the year we were there, 1999, I remember that ugly big hunk of 
>iron
>dumped on the ground and everyone trying to start it, just like a Maytag it
>would not run first go ;-))
>
>Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > But the first time than the infamous "Maytag Sign" got attached to an
> > engine was to Dave's Galloway the first year it was at Portland, still
> > pink, and fresh off George Best's trailer having come in from 
>Washington.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:13:37 +1100
>From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
>Subject: [SEL] Ballan
>To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>,
>	<SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>,
>	<"undisclosed-recipients:"@m0.velocity.net.au>
>Message-ID: <01d701c74b1e$5c7768a0$6c3bfea9 at ronhh5b8az2uaq>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>To Oz members.  Anybody on the list going to the Ballan Rally and if so is 
>it only on the 18th.  Thanks.
>
>Ron
>Canberra
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:52:06 +1100
>From: "David Nicolson" <dnicolson40 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [SEL] Ballan
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Message-ID: <BAY127-F154EF667F318BE6C9C1EB9BA9D0 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>Hi Ron, i have my local club newsletter and it says ballan on the 18th so i
>presume it is a one dayer,cheers Dave
>
>
> >From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>,
> >      <"undisclosed-recipients:"@m0.velocity.net.au>
> >Subject: [SEL] Ballan
> >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:13:37 +1100
> >
> >To Oz members.  Anybody on the list going to the Ballan Rally and if so 
>is
> >it only on the 18th.  Thanks.
> >
> >Ron
> >Canberra
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:39:49 +1100
>From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
>To: "List SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <015301c74b76$1314e8b0$0401a8c0 at reg6db4351094b>
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>
>Every engine nut should see this!
>It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.
>
>http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html
>
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:10:43 -0800
>From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Spam> Fire in shed
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'"
>	<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <200702081610.l18GAj3g033053 at mail-gw.fsr.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:40 AM
>To: List SEL
>Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
>
>Every engine nut should see this!
>It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.
>
>http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html
>
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>What a heartbreaker!  Sad.
>
>Orrin
>
>Orrin Iseminger
>Colton, Washington, USA
>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
>So many projects.  So little time.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:21:28 -0800
>From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
>Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <001501c74b9d$2fa35350$6501a8c0 at YOURA8CFD79427>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>Anyone know where or how to date a  2 hp Fairbanks Morse T ?
>It doesn't have the flap door on the mixer, it has single split flywheels,
>and the handhole cover is vented. The name plate is not a casting as most
>are, but a stamped sheet of brass. The patent date is '07.
>
>Thanks in advance
>Dave
>
>
>
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Feb  8 13:41:15 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:41:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 35, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F317DD0E235B5B2AC78F7FCCB9D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-F317DD0E235B5B2AC78F7FCCB9D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: 45CB98FB.4070700@scrtc.com

Bruce and Reg,
    I lost a lot in the tornado.  But, I think I'd rather have the high 
wind than a fire......

http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/turner/tornado1.html

Tommy Turner



>>>> Every engine nut should see this!
>>>> It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.
>>>
>
>>>> http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html
>>>
>
> What a damned shame, Reg.  My heart goes out to those folks.  When the 
> irreplaceable is lost, there's no way to fix it.
>
>
>
> Bruce Younger
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
> Madison, SD
> sluggo54 at hotmail.com




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Feb  8 16:02:58 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:02:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
In-Reply-To: <001501c74b9d$2fa35350$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <20070209000303.866259B446@mx-in02.sjc.mail-abuse.org>

Hi Dave,, Look to the right of the ignitor at the seam between the head and
cyl.There will be two numbers stacked over each other. If neither the head
or cyl. haven't been replaced the #'s will match. Records are available on
the Sel. Matching the Ser.# and dates. Yours is a later model. Cya, Jimmy
O'Hagan, 415 892 0236

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:21 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T

Anyone know where or how to date a  2 hp Fairbanks Morse T ?
It doesn't have the flap door on the mixer, it has single split flywheels, 
and the handhole cover is vented. The name plate is not a casting as most 
are, but a stamped sheet of brass. The patent date is '07.

Thanks in advance
Dave


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From shop at cccomm.net  Fri Feb  9 07:02:03 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:02:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
References: <20070208.091152.540.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003101c74c5b$42dbbb60$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

The number is 74899

Thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T


> What is the serial number Dave?  Should be on the head and block where
> they meet.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:21:28 -0800 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
>> Anyone know where or how to date a  2 hp Fairbanks Morse T ?
>> It doesn't have the flap door on the mixer, it has single split 
>> flywheels, 
>> and the handhole cover is vented. The name plate is not a casting as 
>> most 
>> are, but a stamped sheet of brass. The patent date is '07.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> Dave
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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Fri Feb  9 08:57:21 2007
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:57:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
In-Reply-To: <003101c74c5b$42dbbb60$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
References: <20070208.091152.540.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<003101c74c5b$42dbbb60$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070209084841.04c9dec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Dave,

A few years ago Denis Rouleau did a lot of research on early F-M serial 
numbers.  According to his list your engine is mid 1908.
See: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html

Regards,
Larry

At 07:02 AM 2/9/2007, you wrote:
>The number is 74899
>
>Thanks
>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
>
>
>>What is the serial number Dave?  Should be on the head and block where
>>they meet.
>>Ron Haskell
>>rdhaskell at juno.com
>>Riverside, California
>>USA
>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:21:28 -0800 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
>>>Anyone know where or how to date a  2 hp Fairbanks Morse T ?
>>>It doesn't have the flap door on the mixer, it has single split 
>>>flywheels, and the handhole cover is vented. The name plate is not a 
>>>casting as most are, but a stamped sheet of brass. The patent date is '07.
>>>Thanks in advance
>>>Dave
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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Larry Evans
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http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Feb  9 09:01:46 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:01:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
Message-ID: <20070209.090146.1120.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

That should make it 1908.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:02:03 -0800 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
> The number is 74899
> 
> Thanks


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb  9 12:22:42 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:22:42 -0000
Subject: [SEL] A special treat for Dave Rotigel
Message-ID: <000301c74c88$0f195490$e5c30b52@no1>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dclTAW0ITz0&mode=related&search=
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Feb  9 12:44:13 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:44:13 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
In-Reply-To: <200702091700.l19H06UI025786@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070209223516.00ade240@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 09/02/2007, you wrote:

>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
>
><snip>
>
>Hi Jerry, I managed to contact the graphics person in the Sentinel-waggons 
>group.
>Her name is Dianne Carney. Her E Mail is stn.editor at uwclub.net.
>She says she has just sent the image to someone in SA, probably your friend!
>Any problems just contact her, she seems a nice lass.
>Dave Croft

Hi Dave,
         We're corresponding on both lists :-)

Thanks for all your help. The art sent from Dianne, who is in contact with 
my "customer" did end up with me but was the wrong logo. (There was also a 
very "surprised" letter from her about you contacting her for "some guy" in 
Africa who was looking for sentinel artwork.) Small world, is it not.

         The other logo you sourced is exactly what I was looking for and I 
have sent a mail to the guy who is doing it.

         Once again the Engine List members have come out on top. Thanks 
very much for all the trouble you went to.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Feb  9 13:01:40 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:01:40 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction/brass spec plates
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070209225108.00a96e60@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi guys,
         Just a quick update for those of you who bought my items (Brass 
spec plates) on the auction.

         I think that I have sent you all proofs of the artwork. If I 
missed anyone please let me know.

         I've done a few of them but have just got in a very big order for 
signs (my "earn a living" business - the one that allows me to mess around 
with old engines - spec plates are part of the hobby) so have had to put 
everything else on hold for another week or so.

         If anyone desperately needs their plates please let me know and 
I'll make a plan. If not I will definitely be etching again in just over 10 
days time and all the SEL items will be in the front of the queue.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  9 13:09:43 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:09:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A special treat for Dave Rotigel
In-Reply-To: <000301c74c88$0f195490$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <000301c74c88$0f195490$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070209160817.01eb6b40@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:22 PM 2/9/2007, you wrote:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dclTAW0ITz0&mode=related&search=
>Dave Croft

Hi Dave, All smoke and mirrors--but the dry ice you put in the exhaust pipe 
does add a great effect!
         Dave 



From lfevans at pacbell.net  Fri Feb  9 13:45:26 2007
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:45:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] IHC M Engine
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070209134429.02d00640@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Hi....

Some of you folks might remember that my brother and I got hold of an early 
1-1/2hp IHC M engine a few years ago in anything but running condition.  It 
was missing a lot of parts and had some rather interesting field 
modifications.  We have slowly been collecting what we need and this past 
spring and summer got it cleaned up and running again.  I took quite a few 
pictures during the restoration and have added some of them to the original 
page regarding this engine.  These pictures are not meant to be a lesson in 
how to restore an engine but more of a resource for someone working with a 
similar one.

Follow the links at the bottom of this page to see the new pictures.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ihm/

Regards,

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From shop at cccomm.net  Fri Feb  9 14:31:30 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:31:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
References: <20070209.090146.1120.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <006301c74c9a$0bd8ca60$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Hey, thanks you guys

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T


> That should make it 1908.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:02:03 -0800 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
>> The number is 74899
>> 
>> Thanks
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>



From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  9 15:40:10 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:40:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Sorry
In-Reply-To: <200702091700.l19H06UE025786@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F7A05C3AF11644870D9505CB9C0@phx.gbl>

Sorry for the boneheaded, non-truncated reply yesterday, folks.  Head under 
basket.



Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted 
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
thereafter."
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Feb  9 20:13:43 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri,  9 Feb 2007 23:13:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
Message-ID: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Can anyone translate the following phrase?

ARMA PARATA FERO

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From ottawa at pa.net  Fri Feb  9 20:55:06 2007
From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:55:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0aa301c74ccf$a2b8a6a0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP>

I Carry Arms in Readiness.

You don't have to be fluent in Latin, use the computer!

Helen
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: fero_ah at city-net.com 
  To: Stationary Engine List ; Slick Willy ; Old_Engine 
  Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:13 PM
  Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT


  Hi Folks,

  Can anyone translate the following phrase?

  ARMA PARATA FERO

  Thanks!!

  See ya,  Arnie

  Arnie Fero
  Pittsburgh, PA
  fero_ah at city-net.com



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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Feb  9 21:19:09 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 21:19:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
In-Reply-To: <0aa301c74ccf$a2b8a6a0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP>
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
	<0aa301c74ccf$a2b8a6a0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <E2B31E0F-CDE9-4D41-9A16-F551418208A5@rustyiron.com>



Dude, that is SO cool.  You NEED to get a t-shirt with that saying.   
Next, you IMMEDIATELY need to log off the computer and get to work  
producing a male child which you can name Arma Parata.

Rob



On Feb 9, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Ken Christison wrote:
> "I carry arms in readiness"
>
> According to Google.
>
> Ken
>>
>> Can anyone translate the following phrase?
>>
>> ARMA PARATA FERO
>>


From lyle45859 at roadrunner.com  Fri Feb  9 21:21:10 2007
From: lyle45859 at roadrunner.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:21:10 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <45CD5646.000001.02100@CATS-D22786ABFC>

ARMA PARATA FERO Fortune follows courage 
 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: fero_ah at city-net.com 
Date: 02/09/07 23:33:45 
To: Stationary Engine List; Slick Willy; Old_Engine 
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT 
 
Hi Folks, 
 
Can anyone translate the following phrase? 
 
ARMA PARATA FERO 
 
Thanks!! 
 
See ya, Arnie 
 
Arnie Fero 
Pittsburgh, PA 
fero_ah at city-net.com 
 
 
 
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Feb 10 00:06:42 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:06:42 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
In-Reply-To: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <034901c74cea$66eee920$8335c53e@doc>

Ready to bear arms?


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Can anyone translate the following phrase?
> 
> ARMA PARATA FERO
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 




From nick at holden1.net  Sat Feb 10 03:51:01 2007
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:51:01 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <45CDB1A2.000001.00220@YOUR-447023AE6B>

Hi Arnie
 
ARMS PREPARED FERO
 
See 
 
http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?url=http%3A%2F%2F&type=text&text
 
 
Nick
Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: fero_ah at city-net.com
Date: 02/10/07 04:32:52
To: Stationary Engine List; Slick Willy; Old_Engine
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
 
Hi Folks,
 
Can anyone translate the following phrase?
 
ARMA PARATA FERO
 
Thanks!!
 
See ya,  Arnie
 
Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com
 
 
 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Feb 10 08:29:55 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:29:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
Message-ID: <200702101629.l1AGTtoG024952@bn3.blue.net>


Arnie,
   It translates to   "Buy more engines".

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



>ARMA PARATA FERO Fortune follows courage 
> 
> 
>-------Original Message------- 
> 
>From: fero_ah at city-net.com 
>Date: 02/09/07 23:33:45 
>To: Stationary Engine List; Slick Willy; Old_Engine 
>Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT 
> 
>Hi Folks, 
> 
>Can anyone translate the following phrase? 
> 
>ARMA PARATA FERO 
> 
>Thanks!! 
> 
>See ya, Arnie 
> 
>Arnie Fero 
>Pittsburgh, PA 
>fero_ah at city-net.com 
> 
> 
> 
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Feb 10 08:30:21 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:30:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
Message-ID: <200702101630.l1AGULdN026298@bn3.blue.net>


Arnie,
   It translates to   "Buy more engines".

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



>ARMA PARATA FERO Fortune follows courage 
> 
> 
>-------Original Message------- 
> 
>From: fero_ah at city-net.com 
>Date: 02/09/07 23:33:45 
>To: Stationary Engine List; Slick Willy; Old_Engine 
>Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT 
> 
>Hi Folks, 
> 
>Can anyone translate the following phrase? 
> 
>ARMA PARATA FERO 
> 
>Thanks!! 
> 
>See ya, Arnie 
> 
>Arnie Fero 
>Pittsburgh, PA 
>fero_ah at city-net.com 
> 
> 
> 
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Feb 10 09:08:06 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:08:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
Message-ID: <200702101708.l1AH86SW008298@bn3.blue.net>

There was some discussion the other day about me sending multiple
posts to the SEL.  I sent duplicate posts a few minutes ago by
accident.  I'm at a meeting in Chicago and am getting and sending
emails from a remote site.  I accidently sent the message twice. 
Thanks!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-------- Original Message --------

==> From: "tommy turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
==> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:29:55 -0600

 Arnie, It translates to   "Buy more engines".

Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky



>ARMA PARATA FERO Fortune follows courage > > >-------Original
Message------- > >From: fero_ah at city-net.com >Date: 02/09/07 23:33:45
>To: Stationary Engine List; Slick Willy; Old_Engine >Subject: [SEL]
Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT > >Hi Folks, > >Can anyone translate the
following phrase? > >ARMA PARATA FERO > >Thanks!! > >See ya, Arnie >
>Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > > >

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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Feb 10 09:55:01 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:55:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
In-Reply-To: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <b1b28df14399cfbbb31121724d6a1e11@chartertn.net>

Can't say I'm really "fluent" in Latin.

I'd've called it "Armed & Ready Fero."

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Feb 10 10:57:44 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:57:44 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
	<b1b28df14399cfbbb31121724d6a1e11@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c74d45$604e60e0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT


> Can't say I'm really "fluent" in Latin.
> 
> I'd've called it "Armed & Ready Fero."
> John Culp

Would this be the man you mean? 8^)
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2701450180028520097uXSjew
Dave Croft
Warrington



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Feb 10 10:58:28 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:58:28 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
	<b1b28df14399cfbbb31121724d6a1e11@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c74d45$74736430$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT


> Can't say I'm really "fluent" in Latin.
> 
> I'd've called it "Armed & Ready Fero."
> John Culp

Would this be the man you mean? 8^)
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2701450180028520097uXSjew
Dave Croft
Warrington



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 10 11:19:08 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:19:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
Message-ID: <00b701c74d48$570e0870$240110ac@FAMILY>

Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP Vertical Stover will get? Looking at painting the muffler and doing a little fill work on the castings and need an idea of how hot it will get so I can purchase the right material.

Thanks,

Paul



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb 10 10:34:10 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:34:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
In-Reply-To: <001f01c74d45$74736430$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
	<b1b28df14399cfbbb31121724d6a1e11@chartertn.net>
	<001f01c74d45$74736430$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702101333130.50608@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

Damn, that self-inflicted crotch wound looks nasty!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Dave Croft wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > I'd've called it "Armed & Ready Fero."
> > John Culp
>
> Would this be the man you mean? 8^)
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2701450180028520097uXSjew



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Feb 10 13:06:51 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:06:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
In-Reply-To: <001f01c74d45$74736430$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
	<b1b28df14399cfbbb31121724d6a1e11@chartertn.net>
	<001f01c74d45$74736430$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <08b7ca7abf7437515a1c4780c0e8779d@chartertn.net>

I'm not sure I'd've posted that pic of Arnie showing off his King Dick.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Feb 10 13:07:52 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:07:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
In-Reply-To: <00b701c74d48$570e0870$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <00b701c74d48$570e0870$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <70a8350dae4b10c9b5b3c2aa4fa53c56@chartertn.net>

How hard are you planning to work it?

On Feb 10, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Paul Maples wrote:

> Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP Vertical Stover will 
> get?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Feb 10 13:15:36 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:15:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
Message-ID: <021020072115.2130.45CE35F7000D3AD900000852219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Paul,
My 5hp Stover does not get that hot while running alone but I would imagine 
warmer if hooked up to a grinder,etc.   I used a black engine block paint 
purchased from an auto supply store. I did not use any primer and have not had 
any paint peel or burn off to date.
Curt


> Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP Vertical Stover will get? Looking 
> at painting the muffler and doing a little fill work on the castings and need an 
> idea of how hot it will get so I can purchase the right material.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 10 14:06:43 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:06:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
References: <021020072115.2130.45CE35F7000D3AD900000852219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <00fe01c74d5f$c075dc90$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Curt, sounds like the 350 degree material I am looking at will work 
fine, I was hoping I would not have to go to the 1000 degree stuff as it is 
more expensive.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get


> Paul,
> My 5hp Stover does not get that hot while running alone but I would 
> imagine
> warmer if hooked up to a grinder,etc.   I used a black engine block paint
> purchased from an auto supply store. I did not use any primer and have not 
> had
> any paint peel or burn off to date.
> Curt
>
>
>> Anyone 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 10 14:08:06 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:08:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
References: <00b701c74d48$570e0870$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<70a8350dae4b10c9b5b3c2aa4fa53c56@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <010301c74d5f$f1c15680$240110ac@FAMILY>

Probably will not work it much if at all John, might belt something to it 
later. One thing about it the muffler comes apart real easy so if I did 
overheat it I could always take it apart and use the higher temperature 
stuff.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get


> How hard are you planning to work it?
>
> On Feb 10, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Paul Maples wrote:
>
>> Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP Vertical Stover will get?
>
>
> 




From wilson at stny.rr.com  Sat Feb 10 15:18:00 2007
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:18:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
In-Reply-To: <015301c74b76$1314e8b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOMEGFDDAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

Any idea what started this?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of R & M
Ingold
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:40 AM
To: List SEL
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed


Every engine nut should see this!
It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.

http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html 

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Feb 10 17:09:36 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:09:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
References: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOMEGFDDAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <02a001c74d79$961b94c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

No idea. It appears to be in UK.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed


> Any idea what started this?
> Glenn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of R & M
> Ingold
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:40 AM
> To: List SEL
> Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
> 
> 
> Every engine nut should see this!
> It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.
> 
> http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html 
> 
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> 
> 
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From edurand at cybertron.com  Sat Feb 10 17:49:25 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:49:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
In-Reply-To: <00b701c74d48$570e0870$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEIGFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Paul:

If it only has to be flat black, just go to your local hardware store and get a small can of brush-on barbeque paint and apply it according to the instructions.  You could probably remove some of the pits by sanding the surface of the paint after it has dried and cured from heat.  Then you could add another coat and repeat the process 'til it's better than new looking.

Anyhoo, that's what I do.

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 01:19 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
> 
> 
> Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP 
> Vertical Stover will get? Looking at painting the 
> muffler and doing a little fill work on the 
> castings and need an idea of how hot it will get 
> so I can purchase the right material.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From reb at apex.net  Sat Feb 10 18:45:35 2007
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:45:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
References: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOMEGFDDAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c74d86$b4f351f0$0202a8c0@Dads>

That's enough to make a grown man cry for sure.

Dick Bauer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed


> Any idea what started this?
> Glenn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of R & M
> Ingold
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:40 AM
> To: List SEL
> Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
> 
> 
> Every engine nut should see this!
> It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.
> 
> http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html 
> 
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 10 19:44:30 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:44:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEIGFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <01ac01c74d8e$f088a410$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Elden


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at cybertron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:49 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get


> Paul:
>
> If it only has to be flat black, just go to your local hardware store and 
> get a small can of brush-on barbeque paint and apply it according to the 
> instructions.  You could probably remove some of the pits by sanding the 
> surface of the paint after it has dried and cured from heat.  Then you 
> could add another coat and repeat the process 'til it's better than new 
> looking.
>

> 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 01:19:34 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:19:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Slightly OT - Cameras
Message-ID: <6f6025160702110119y471a05efh776ba3690fab74f5@mail.gmail.com>

Our collection of cameras is getting rather large, and as we have two of the
Sony Mavica CD-1000 models, we are going to sell one.

If anyone is interested, before we put it on ebay, drop me an email offlist or
onlist if you prefer, the return email address is valid and free from spamtraps.

The CD-1000 is 2.1mp, stores images on 3" CD's in the camera and it has a very
nice zoom lens of 10X Optical and 20X digital. Each CD is 156mb capacity, the
camera has a Tamrac System 3 bag with it, 2 spare batteries, lens
filters, driver
software and manual on CD plus AV and USB cables.

Good review here:

http://www.steves-digicams.com/cd1000.html

The camera is in the USA at present (AZ, 85297)  shipping with
insurance would be about $20-$25.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 11:14:58 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:14:58 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Slightly OT - Cameras
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702110119y471a05efh776ba3690fab74f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160702110119y471a05efh776ba3690fab74f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702111114u149c0edcr2de33f6a2ccd34cc@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/02/07, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Our collection of cameras is getting rather large, and as we have two of the
> Sony Mavica CD-1000 models, we are going to sell one.
>
> If anyone is interested, before we put it on ebay, drop me an email offlist or
> onlist if you prefer, the return email address is valid and free from spamtraps.

Now sold.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Feb 11 11:52:58 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:52:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
In-Reply-To: <200702111700.l1BH05us006398@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200702112214906.SM01412@new.databak.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 11/02/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:19:08 -0600
>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
>
>Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP Vertical Stover will get? 
>Looking at painting the muffler and doing a little fill work on the 
>castings and need an idea of how hot it will get so I can purchase the 
>right material.
>Thanks,
>Paul

Hi Paul,
         I don't know how hot they get but what we do here is sandblast the 
muffler and then paint it with black 2K paint - no primer. I do not know 
what you guys call 2K but it's that 2 component paint that you use on cars 
(paint + hardner). I've never seen any of it peeling off a muffler from heat.
         My aircooled 8 hp Bernard (Madame) gets pretty hot and it was 
burning the heat resistant matte black exhaust paint off. I repainted with 
2K and now no problems.
         Give it a try.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 11 12:59:10 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:59:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
References: <200702112214906.SM01412@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <002f01c74e1f$7ac56ce0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Jerry do you have a name for the product you use?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get


> At 07:00 PM 11/02/2007, you wrote:
>>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:19:08 -0600
>>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>>Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
>>
>>Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP Vertical Stover will get? 
>>Looking at painting the muffler and doing a little fill work on the 
>>castings and need an idea of how hot it will get so I can purchase the 
>>right material.
>>Thanks,
>>Paul
>
> Hi Paul,
>         I don't know how hot they get but what we do here is sandblast the 
> muffler and then paint it with black 2K paint - no primer. I do not know 
> what you guys call 2K but it's that 2 component paint that you use on cars 
> (paint + hardner). I've never seen any of it peeling off a muffler from 
> heat.
>         My aircooled 8 hp Bernard (Madame) gets pretty hot and it was 
> burning the heat resistant matte black exhaust paint off. I repainted with 
> 2K and now no problems.
>         Give it a try.
>
>
> 




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Feb 11 04:48:31 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:48:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
References: <021020072115.2130.45CE35F7000D3AD900000852219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <006601c74dda$f0648fc0$72d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

Last year I sandblasted and painted the exhaust system off my Titan tractor. 
I used a ceramic paint from AutoZone--it costs about $8 a can. So far only 
one small spot of rust and I have had this tractor really hot a couple of 
times.

John Hall 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 00:06:08 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:06:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
In-Reply-To: <006601c74dda$f0648fc0$72d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <021020072115.2130.45CE35F7000D3AD900000852219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<006601c74dda$f0648fc0$72d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702120006p63bf19ceq4b469db58ff474d2@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/02/07, John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Last year I sandblasted and painted the exhaust system off my Titan tractor.
> I used a ceramic paint from AutoZone--it costs about $8 a can. So far only
> one small spot of rust and I have had this tractor really hot a couple of
> times.
>
> John Hall

If you ask your shotblaster to do hot Zinc spray immediately after
blasting, that will keep it almost permanently rust-free.

We use that process a lot now and find that it does keep rust away for
ever, even on items that are outdoors 24/7 like the trailer.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Feb 12 16:01:52 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:01:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Mystery engine
Message-ID: <20070213000154.PDUP18620.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

This is an interesting looking engine:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/graceng%20000.jpg

So far no one has been able to identify the manufacturer. Does any one have
any ideas as we are all stumped!
More pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherenginesdunno1.html

Any help greatly appreciated.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb 12 16:12:32 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:12:32 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Mystery engine
References: <20070213000154.PDUP18620.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000b01c74f03$a94c13e0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:01 AM
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Mystery engine


> This is an interesting looking engine:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/graceng%20000.jpg
>
> So far no one has been able to identify the manufacturer. Does any one have
> any ideas as we are all stumped!
> More pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherenginesdunno1.html
>
> Any help greatly appreciated.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

Hi Patrick, I have been collecting for nearly 30 years but I haven't seen an engine anything like it
in England or Denmark.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb 12 16:34:26 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:34:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine
In-Reply-To: <20070213000154.PDUP18620.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20070213000154.PDUP18620.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <45D10792.8090200@scrtc.com>

You got me on those Patrick.  The cart certainly looks like its of 
Australian origin (reminds me of the Austral carts, very heavy duty).  
The engine is a heavy hunk of iron as well.  It looks just the opposite 
of engines here in the US.  Often rusty on the outside but not real bad 
on the inside.  The baby you photograph doesn't look so rough on the 
outside, but sure looks crusty on the inside (crank, governor, gearing, 
etc.).  The upright is another one that I've never seen before (probably 
one just like it in the shed across the road though..... I say this 
because just when you think you've never seen one before, two will show 
up at the next engine show or swap meet).

Tommy Turner

Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

>This is an interesting looking engine:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/graceng%20000.jpg
>
>So far no one has been able to identify the manufacturer. Does any one have
>any ideas as we are all stumped!
>More pics at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherenginesdunno1.html
>
>Any help greatly appreciated.
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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>
>
>
>  
>



From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 12 22:36:09 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:36:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Another model builder
Message-ID: <BAY127-F37E4F40640390599775EA2CB900@phx.gbl>

http://www.jokerracewear.com/web/Ferrari.wmv




Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted 
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
thereafter."
E. Hemingway

_________________________________________________________________
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http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Mon Feb 12 23:14:20 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:14:20 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Another model builder
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F37E4F40640390599775EA2CB900@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <067e01c74f3e$94b75d00$8335c53e@doc>

That's kind of magical, isn't it?

Thanks for sharing.

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bruce Younger
> Sent: 13 February 2007 06:36
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Another model builder
> 
> http://www.jokerracewear.com/web/Ferrari.wmv
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce Younger
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
> Madison, SD
> sluggo54 at hotmail.com
> 
> "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that 
> have hunted 
> armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
> thereafter."
> E. Hemingway
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger 
> http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?h
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> 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 23:42:31 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:42:31 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ray Hooley is moving
Message-ID: <6f6025160702122342p1b17827ve20489424bd34251@mail.gmail.com>

Ray will be off-line for a few weeks while he moves house.

His contact details have been removed from his webpages, and a notice
put on the first page.

He asks if any queries could be put on hold until him and wife Anne
have got the move over with.

He has an enormous quantity of paperwork and items to get sorted and moved!

Thanks,

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From page at velocitynet.com.au  Tue Feb 13 00:33:13 2007
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:33:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Another model builder
References: <BAY127-F37E4F40640390599775EA2CB900@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00a201c74f49$9a22fe60$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Isn't that something else.  Thanks

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Younger" <sluggo54 at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: [SEL] Another model builder


> http://www.jokerracewear.com/web/Ferrari.wmv
>
>
>
>
> Bruce Younger
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
> Madison, SD
> sluggo54 at hotmail.com
>
> "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted
> armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else
> thereafter."
> E. Hemingway
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger
>
http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://ima
gine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline
>
> _______________________________________________
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Feb 13 03:39:50 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:39:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Way Engine info needed
Message-ID: <021320071139.895.45D1A3860008BD4F0000037F219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

I am looking for any manuals, parts literature & specs on New Way Engines up 
to 8HP.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Feb 13 14:19:29 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:19:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ray Hooley is moving
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702122342p1b17827ve20489424bd34251@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160702122342p1b17827ve20489424bd34251@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1171405169.45d23971f0ae5@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Peter,

Is he moving the collection of paper / memorabilia to a more secure location
than his garden shed?  I'm thinking of something with stout doors, alarms,
climate control...

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> Ray will be off-line for a few weeks while he moves house.
> 
> His contact details have been removed from his webpages, and a notice
> put on the first page.
> 
> He asks if any queries could be put on hold until him and wife Anne
> have got the move over with.
> 
> He has an enormous quantity of paperwork and items to get sorted and moved!




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Feb 13 15:24:20 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:24:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ray Hooley is moving
In-Reply-To: <1171405169.45d23971f0ae5@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <6f6025160702122342p1b17827ve20489424bd34251@mail.gmail.com>
	<1171405169.45d23971f0ae5@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702131524v7931ef86oa15a92cf529d0414@mail.gmail.com>

On 13/02/07, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Is he moving the collection of paper / memorabilia to a more secure location
> than his garden shed?  I'm thinking of something with stout doors, alarms,
> climate control...
>
> See ya,  Arnie

I guess so, but he had 2 TONS of peperwork at one time, including the
Clayton & Shuttleworth archives. I know he was trying to get
Lincolnshire County Council to help with storage, but not a lot
happened.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Feb 14 11:47:00 2007
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
Message-ID: <000d01c75070$e5942900$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

In the next few months I think we are going to see 
a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As 
you know the price of copper has tripled in price this 
past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
several years has been making low tension coils tells
me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
 He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until 
last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
 then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10 
more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not 
a very profitable venture..


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Feb 14 12:16:29 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:16:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <000d01c75070$e5942900$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <000d01c75070$e5942900$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <45D36E1D.5060409@imc-group.com>

Charlie,
Price of copper has come down about 30% from the high last year. Try 
buying 4 million pounds of copper every month and see what that does to 
your cash flow. A few years ago we were buying copper for .97 per pound. 
At the peak is was over $3 a pound. Now it's back around $2. Our cash 
flow went from needing 4 million $ every month to 12 million $ almost 
overnight. THAT will crimp your style!
What's sad is that the coil makers were making coils from copper bought 
at a buck a pound and they continued to sell at the old price even 
though the metal cost was three times that. Now that inventories have 
run out they are getting a bit of a shock when they go to replace that 
wire. Ouch!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Charles R Bryant wrote:
> In the next few months I think we are going to see 
> a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As 
> you know the price of copper has tripled in price this 
> past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> several years has been making low tension coils tells
> me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until 
> last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
> for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10 
> more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not 
> a very profitable venture..
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>   



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Feb 14 12:22:19 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:22:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL members near Jacksonville, FL.....
Message-ID: <45D36F7B.4040904@imc-group.com>

Are there an listers near Jacksonville, FL?
Curt Holland


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Feb 14 13:16:23 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:16:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
Message-ID: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Charlie.
What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
close to scrap price.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
<mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
> In the next few months I think we are going to see 
> a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As 
> you know the price of copper has tripled in price this 
> past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> several years has been making low tension coils tells
> me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until 
> last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
> for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10 
> more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not 
> 
> a very profitable venture..


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 14 17:37:32 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:37:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
Message-ID: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>

Well gang the longer you stay in this hobby the more you learn...right?

I got a real good deal on a set of cast iron wheels, flat spoked, and they arrived today. I plan on using these on a cart I will build later for my 5 HP Lister.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels002.jpg

When the wheels arrived today I open the first box of four and was looking at the wheel and I saw a crack. I thought "Darn" the guy sold me a wheel with a cracked rim, oh well I will get it welded.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/WheelWeld.jpg

I then opened up the other three wheels and "Quadruple Darn", all of the wheels had cracked rims. I begin to look more closely at the cracks to see how bad they were and I noticed that the crack on the face of the rim did not line up with the crack on the inter-face of the rim. I then saw that the metal had been scarfed (Over-lapped) and it was then a light turned on in this hole riddled brain of mine....these wheels have been forged welded (Hammer Welded)

Anyone got any idea how old these flat spoked wheels are that had the rims forged welded together?

Just curious.

Paul



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Wed Feb 14 18:14:58 2007
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:14:58 EST
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
Message-ID: <c73.ca2b91f.33051c22@aol.com>

 
Hi Paul,
In looking at your wheels, I suspect they are iron or steel, not cast  iron.  
I don't think you can forge weld cast iron and also, when I look at  the ends 
of the spokes as they poke through the rim, it appears they have been  
hammered over like rivets to hold the spokes to the rim.  Cast iron doesn't  respond 
well to being hammered.  It will shatter rather than spread.
 
All this is speculation on my part as I am no expert.
 
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri
 
 
In a message dated 2/14/2007 8:02:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:

Well  gang the longer you stay in this hobby the more you learn...right?

I  got a real good deal on a set of cast iron wheels, flat spoked, and they  
arrived today. I plan on using these on a cart I will build later for my 5 HP  
Lister.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels002.jpg

When  the wheels arrived today I open the first box of four and was looking 
at the  wheel and I saw a crack. I thought "Darn" the guy sold me a wheel with 
a  cracked rim, oh well I will get it  welded.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/WheelWeld.jpg

I  then opened up the other three wheels and "Quadruple Darn", all of the 
wheels  had cracked rims. I begin to look more closely at the cracks to see how 
bad  they were and I noticed that the crack on the face of the rim did not line 
up  with the crack on the inter-face of the rim. I then saw that the metal 
had  been scarfed (Over-lapped) and it was then a light turned on in this hole  
riddled brain of mine....these wheels have been forged welded (Hammer  Welded)

Anyone got any idea how old these flat spoked wheels are that  had the rims 
forged welded together?

Just  curious.

Paul







From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 14 18:39:55 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:39:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <c73.ca2b91f.33051c22@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00f801c750aa$94592100$240110ac@FAMILY>

Heck Ron, I agree with you, it was just more of my ignorance that used the 
words Cast Iron, don't ask me why.

Have you seen forged welded wheels before?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MaytagTwin at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels


>
> Hi Paul,
> In looking at your wheels, I suspect they are iron or steel, not cast 
> iron.
> I don't think you can forge weld cast iron and also, when I look at  the 
> ends
> of the spokes as they poke through the rim, it appears they have been
> hammered over like rivets to hold the spokes to the rim.  Cast iron 
> doesn't  respond
> well to being hammered.  It will shatter rather than spread.
>
> All this is speculation on my part as I am no expert.
>
> Regards,
> Ron Carroll




From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Wed Feb 14 19:22:38 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:22:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <004801c750b0$8c8d86e0$76b6123f@D8LJ7K91>

Paul,

 Anything older than 1930 is likely to be hammer welded.  I have a lot of 
cart wheels with similar rim welds.Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels


Well gang the longer you stay in this hobby the more you learn...right?

I got a real good deal on a set of cast iron wheels, flat spoked, and they 
arrived today. I plan on using these on a cart I will build later for my 5 
HP Lister.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels002.jpg

When the wheels arrived today I open the first box of four and was looking 
at the wheel and I saw a crack. I thought "Darn" the guy sold me a wheel 
with a cracked rim, oh well I will get it welded.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/WheelWeld.jpg

I then opened up the other three wheels and "Quadruple Darn", all of the 
wheels had cracked rims. I begin to look more closely at the cracks to see 
how bad they were and I noticed that the crack on the face of the rim did 
not line up with the crack on the inter-face of the rim. I then saw that the 
metal had been scarfed (Over-lapped) and it was then a light turned on in 
this hole riddled brain of mine....these wheels have been forged welded 
(Hammer Welded)

Anyone got any idea how old these flat spoked wheels are that had the rims 
forged welded together?

Just curious.

Paul

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 14 19:36:36 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:36:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<004801c750b0$8c8d86e0$76b6123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <014101c750b2$7f50c8f0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Glen,

It seems strange to me if they could cast the main part of the rim why they 
could not cast the whole rim without it having to hammer welded. I 
appreciate the response as this is comforting. I take it that these welds 
are plenty good as they are and need no further re-inforcing by additional 
welding?

Thanks,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels


> Paul,
>
> Anything older than 1930 is likely to be hammer welded.  I have a lot of 
> cart wheels with similar rim welds.Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 14 19:50:43 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:50:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] More Pictures of the Iron Wheels
Message-ID: <014901c750b4$786181e0$240110ac@FAMILY>

I appreciate the response of those who have wrote in and assured me that these forged welds are original for early made wheels. For those who have not seen any like me here are a couple of more pictures of the wheel.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Ironwheel1.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel2.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel3.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel4.jpg

Paul



From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Feb 14 20:15:12 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:15:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] More Pictures of the Iron Wheels
In-Reply-To: <014901c750b4$786181e0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <200702150415.l1F4FKm9095490@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:51 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] More Pictures of the Iron Wheels

I appreciate the response of those who have wrote in and assured me that
these forged welds are original for early made wheels. For those who have
not seen any like me here are a couple of more pictures of the wheel.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Ironwheel1.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel2.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel3.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel4.jpg

Paul

~~~~~~~~~~

You have some good wheels there, Paul.  You will appreciate the recessed
riveted ends of the spokes.  I have some cart wheels with protruding spoke
ends.  They are a pain when wheeling engines over smooth concrete.  They'd
rather slide than roll. 

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   






From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Feb 14 20:16:01 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:16:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
In-Reply-To: <014101c750b2$7f50c8f0$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>	<004801c750b0$8c8d86e0$76b6123f@D8LJ7K91>
	<014101c750b2$7f50c8f0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <45D3DE81.6090609@scrtc.com>

Paul,
    They'll hold up fine under an old engine.  These look like binder 
wheels (used on IH binders) as I've got probably 10 sets of them and 
they make nice engine trucks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Paul Maples wrote:

> Thanks Glen,
>
> It seems strange to me if they could cast the main part of the rim why 
> they could not cast the whole rim without it having to hammer welded. 
> I appreciate the response as this is comforting. I take it that these 
> welds are plenty good as they are and need no further re-inforcing by 
> additional welding?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Feb 14 20:19:27 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:19:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info from Kentucky
Message-ID: <45D3DF4F.3040205@scrtc.com>

OK folks, I just got this info from a friend of mine.  Now you'll know 
how to refer to us old iron lovers from KY:

Because of the climate of political correctness now pervading America,
those of us in KENTUCKY will no longer be referred to as HILLBILLIES.

We ask that you now refer to us as BLUEGRASS-AMERICANS.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Feb 14 21:31:56 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:31:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Info from Kentucky
In-Reply-To: <45D3DF4F.3040205@scrtc.com>
References: <45D3DF4F.3040205@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <ECFE2775-FFD9-4704-BA7A-2376F7E396F0@rustyiron.com>


On Feb 14, 2007, at 8:19 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> OK folks, I just got this info from a friend of mine.  Now you'll  
> know how to refer to us old iron lovers from KY:
>
> Because of the climate of political correctness now pervading America,
> those of us in KENTUCKY will no longer be referred to as HILLBILLIES.
>
> We ask that you now refer to us as BLUEGRASS-AMERICANS.


Hi Tommy!
The following is meant for educational purposes and is in no way  
meant to circumvent the written test administered by the KY DMV:

Kentucky Drivers Test


1. When a police car approaches you from the rear, lights flashing,  
you should:

a.  pull over to the side of the road and stop until it has passed.
b.   change lanes to give it the right-of-way.
c.  yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.

2. When driving in dangerous conditions or inclement weather, you  
should:

a.  be especially careful to observe the speed limit.
b.   drive more slowly than the speed limit, if conditions so merit.
c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.

3. When approaching a railroad crossing, you should:

a.  stop if there are red lights flashing.
b.   slow down and exercise caution even if there are no lights  
flashing.
c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.

4. If you are involved in an accident, you are required by law to:

a.  stop and exchange insurance information with the others involved.
b.   immediately place a call to a local law enforcement agency.
c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.

5. At an intersection controlled by stoplights, a green arrow  
indicates that you may:

a.  make a protected turn.
b.   proceed only if there are no other cars waiting.
c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.

6. If a child under four is riding in the car with you, you must:

a.  make sure that he or she is sitting and wearing a seatbelt.
b.   make sure that he or she is sitting in an approved crash-safety  
seat.
c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.

7. The blood-alcohol limit for legal driving is:

a.  0.10 percent.
b.  0.08 percent.
c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.





:-)







From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Feb 14 21:55:25 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:55:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info from Kentucky
In-Reply-To: <ECFE2775-FFD9-4704-BA7A-2376F7E396F0@rustyiron.com>
References: <45D3DF4F.3040205@scrtc.com>
	<ECFE2775-FFD9-4704-BA7A-2376F7E396F0@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <45D3F5CD.3010602@scrtc.com>

All I can say Rob is YEEE- HAAA!   I heard a police officer say that he 
went to an accident scene once and there was this elderly gent who had 
plowed into the side of a lady  driving an expensive auto.  The lady 
said, "he never slowed down and I had the right of way, he was supposed 
to yield"  The old gent said "I don't think its my fault lady cause I 
yield at you 3 times and you just kept coming!"

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Rob Skinner wrote:

>
> On Feb 14, 2007, at 8:19 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> OK folks, I just got this info from a friend of mine.  Now you'll  
>> know how to refer to us old iron lovers from KY:
>>
>> Because of the climate of political correctness now pervading America,
>> those of us in KENTUCKY will no longer be referred to as HILLBILLIES.
>>
>> We ask that you now refer to us as BLUEGRASS-AMERICANS.
>
>
>
> Hi Tommy!
> The following is meant for educational purposes and is in no way  
> meant to circumvent the written test administered by the KY DMV:
>
> Kentucky Drivers Test
>
>
> 1. When a police car approaches you from the rear, lights flashing,  
> you should:
>
> a.  pull over to the side of the road and stop until it has passed.
> b.   change lanes to give it the right-of-way.
> c.  yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
> 2. When driving in dangerous conditions or inclement weather, you  
> should:
>
> a.  be especially careful to observe the speed limit.
> b.   drive more slowly than the speed limit, if conditions so merit.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
> 3. When approaching a railroad crossing, you should:
>
> a.  stop if there are red lights flashing.
> b.   slow down and exercise caution even if there are no lights  
> flashing.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
> 4. If you are involved in an accident, you are required by law to:
>
> a.  stop and exchange insurance information with the others involved.
> b.   immediately place a call to a local law enforcement agency.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
> 5. At an intersection controlled by stoplights, a green arrow  
> indicates that you may:
>
> a.  make a protected turn.
> b.   proceed only if there are no other cars waiting.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
> 6. If a child under four is riding in the car with you, you must:
>
> a.  make sure that he or she is sitting and wearing a seatbelt.
> b.   make sure that he or she is sitting in an approved crash-safety  
> seat.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
> 7. The blood-alcohol limit for legal driving is:
>
> a.  0.10 percent.
> b.  0.08 percent.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
>
>
>
>
> :-)
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Feb 14 22:29:27 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:29:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Info from Kentucky
References: <45D3DF4F.3040205@scrtc.com>
	<ECFE2775-FFD9-4704-BA7A-2376F7E396F0@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <009c01c750ca$a9516c50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Ya got that from Oz, didnt ya?
(Just read our court reports!)
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info from Kentucky


> 
> On Feb 14, 2007, at 8:19 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> 
>> OK folks, I just got this info from a friend of mine.  Now you'll  
>> know how to refer to us old iron lovers from KY:
>>
>> Because of the climate of political correctness now pervading America,
>> those of us in KENTUCKY will no longer be referred to as HILLBILLIES.
>>
>> We ask that you now refer to us as BLUEGRASS-AMERICANS.
> 
> 
> Hi Tommy!
> The following is meant for educational purposes and is in no way  
> meant to circumvent the written test administered by the KY DMV:
> 
> Kentucky Drivers Test
> 
> 
> 1. When a police car approaches you from the rear, lights flashing,  
> you should:
> 
> a.  pull over to the side of the road and stop until it has passed.
> b.   change lanes to give it the right-of-way.
> c.  yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 2. When driving in dangerous conditions or inclement weather, you  
> should:
> 
> a.  be especially careful to observe the speed limit.
> b.   drive more slowly than the speed limit, if conditions so merit.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 3. When approaching a railroad crossing, you should:
> 
> a.  stop if there are red lights flashing.
> b.   slow down and exercise caution even if there are no lights  
> flashing.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 4. If you are involved in an accident, you are required by law to:
> 
> a.  stop and exchange insurance information with the others involved.
> b.   immediately place a call to a local law enforcement agency.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 5. At an intersection controlled by stoplights, a green arrow  
> indicates that you may:
> 
> a.  make a protected turn.
> b.   proceed only if there are no other cars waiting.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 6. If a child under four is riding in the car with you, you must:
> 
> a.  make sure that he or she is sitting and wearing a seatbelt.
> b.   make sure that he or she is sitting in an approved crash-safety  
> seat.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 7. The blood-alcohol limit for legal driving is:
> 
> a.  0.10 percent.
> b.  0.08 percent.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Feb 15 03:07:38 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 04:07:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Info from Kentucky
References: <45D3DF4F.3040205@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV7A793BFDDD56ABD24E5D2BB960@phx.gbl>






> OK folks, I just got this info from a friend of mine.  Now you'll know 
> how to refer to us old iron lovers from KY:
> 
> Because of the climate of political correctness now pervading America,
> those of us in KENTUCKY will no longer be referred to as HILLBILLIES.
> 
> We ask that you now refer to us as BLUEGRASS-AMERICANS.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY


  OMG..wonder what sheep luvin' Montanan's would be???


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Feb 14 19:44:30 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:44:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<004801c750b0$8c8d86e0$76b6123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <000001c750f6$d3e1b570$0601a8c0@altech>

Kaye's grand father used to be a blacksmith in this area, he forge welded 
most stuff, I have examples of it that have survived. I also have the post 
drill, swage block and forge tools from the original balcksmith's shop. The 
anvil was stolen during WW2 while the men were away fighting. I guess the 
shop dates back to the late 1800's - 1940's.
I was told a story by Kaye's father of how his father forge welded a prop 
shaft from a tug boat in the Clarence River, where we  live. The shaft was 
6" in diameter and they aligned the shaft, setup the fire heating both ends 
and the finished job was a perfectly welded and aligned shaft.

Peter, Oz






> Paul,
>
> Anything older than 1930 is likely to be hammer welded.  I have a lot of 
> cart wheels with similar rim welds.Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA

>
>
> Well gang the longer you stay in this hobby the more you learn...right?
>
> I got a real good deal on a set of cast iron wheels, flat spoked, and they 
> arrived today. I plan on using these on a cart I will build later for my 5 
> HP Lister.
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels002.jpg
>
> When the wheels arrived today I open the first box of four and was looking 
> at the wheel and I saw a crack. I thought "Darn" the guy sold me a wheel 
> with a cracked rim, oh well I will get it welded.
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/WheelWeld.jpg
>
> I then opened up the other three wheels and "Quadruple Darn", all of the 
> wheels had cracked rims. I begin to look more closely at the cracks to see 
> how bad they were and I noticed that the crack on the face of the rim did 
> not line up with the crack on the inter-face of the rim. I then saw that 
> the metal had been scarfed (Over-lapped) and it was then a light turned on 
> in this hole riddled brain of mine....these wheels have been forged welded 
> (Hammer Welded)
>
> Anyone got any idea how old these flat spoked wheels are that had the rims 
> forged welded together?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Paul




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Feb 15 05:30:01 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:30:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
In-Reply-To: <014101c750b2$7f50c8f0$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>
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Hey Paul,

The only part of that wheel that's cast iron is maybe the center hub.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Paul Maples wrote:

> It seems strange to me if they could cast the main part of the rim why they
> could not cast the whole rim without it having to hammer welded. I
> appreciate the response as this is comforting. I take it that these welds
> are plenty good as they are and need no further re-inforcing by additional
> welding?



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Feb 15 06:26:34 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:26:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More Pictures of the Iron Wheels
In-Reply-To: <014901c750b4$786181e0$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <014901c750b4$786181e0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <45D46D9A.5020604@imc-group.com>

Paul,
All the steel rimmed old wheels I've seen are hammer welded as you've 
noticed. You asked about why not casting the rim......it is a durability 
and cost issue. Picture the kind of ruts and logs these engine carts 
were pulled over a 100 years ago. Steel rims would flex and bend a 
little and continue on. Occasional corrections with a hammer would make 
it all good again. Cast rims are brittle and the only solution is to 
beef the thickness up considerably to compensate and this drove the cost 
sky high. Cast iron must have been cheap in Oz as you see a lot of large 
cast rimmed wheels there.
Looking at your wheels I think I see the remnants of a single large hot 
rivet in the center of the hammer weld. I've not seen this before as 
most are simply hammer welded only.
A while back I was contemplating making some wheels from scratch as I 
couldn't seem to find a pair of 24" Hercules cart wheels after looking a 
couple of years. Dug up some articles on the manufacturing method as I 
was convinced the steel spokes were cast into the hub. Sure enough that 
was the case. It seems the green sand molds would not support the spokes 
well enough so they developed water cooled D2 steel cavity dies to pour 
the cast iron into. (You'd think they would have used H13).
As I recall when IHC moved away from the knobby style wheel hub to the 
zigzig style they incorporated this steel cavity die molding method. The 
spokes were upset (forged) with a "mushroom" on the hub end and a flange 
on the other end about a 1/2" back from the end. The spokes were 
populated into the open hub casting mold, the mold closed, and the cast 
iron poured in.
The rims were made from flat stock and in the case of your rims were hot 
rolled thru a set of rollers to create the sunken area. Spoke holes were 
punched at the correct interval along the proper length piece of steel. 
Then they were cold rolled on a 3 roll rolling machine into a slightly 
larger than needed circle. The hub/spoke assy was married to the rim and 
the rim was closed until it bottomed on all the spoke flanges. The rim 
was then hammer welded. Then they had a machine they put the wheel 
assembly in and it gripped/supported the back of the flange on the spoke 
and a "hammer" device that looked a lot like a chisel came out and 
hammered the end of the spoke, spreading it flat to retain the rim. This 
chisel tool rotated as it hammered, leaving the surface with a radial 
pattern of lines across the face. If you are lucky enough to find some 
really nice old wheels you can still see this pattern.

Glad you found some wheels. What are you going to use for a 5th wheel? 
If you make one from scratch make sure the front axle assy can pivot 
side to side, otherwise uneven ground will put tremendous loads on your 
engine base casting and possibly break it. I've been thinking about 
making a couple of patterns for a generic 5th wheel for small carts (8 
or10" wheels). Missy's New Way engine needs a cart. I have some nice 
cast wheels but don't have the 5th wheel yet. I kind of like the design 
of the Rock Island cart fifth wheel system.
See ya,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:
> I appreciate the response of those who have wrote in and assured me that these forged welds are original for early made wheels. For those who have not seen any like me here are a couple of more pictures of the wheel.
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Ironwheel1.jpg
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel2.jpg
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel3.jpg
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel4.jpg
>
> Paul
>
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Feb 15 06:53:26 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:53:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
In-Reply-To: <c73.ca2b91f.33051c22@aol.com>
References: <c73.ca2b91f.33051c22@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070215094544.02e49480@pop3.wcoil.com>

A third option for the metal but less likely might be wrought Iron for the 
bands. Look at the metal closely and see if you can see what looks like 
layering of the metal. A sure sign of wrought.  You see wheels made like 
this more often then you might think.  Most folks just don't notice the 
lapped forged seam. Or if they do notice don't give it a second thought 
after deciding they are not cracks.              TTYL,  Mark


At 09:14 PM 2/14/07, you wrote:
>
>Hi Paul,
>In looking at your wheels, I suspect they are iron or steel, not cast  iron.
>I don't think you can forge weld cast iron and also, when I look at  the ends
>of the spokes as they poke through the rim, it appears they have been
>hammered over like rivets to hold the spokes to the rim.  Cast iron 
>doesn't  respond
>well to being hammered.  It will shatter rather than spread.
>
>All this is speculation on my part as I am no expert.
>
>Regards,
>Ron Carroll
>Clearmont, Missouri
>
>
>In a message dated 2/14/2007 8:02:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>Well  gang the longer you stay in this hobby the more you learn...right?
>
>I  got a real good deal on a set of cast iron wheels, flat spoked, and they
>arrived today. I plan on using these on a cart I will build later for my 5 
>HP
>Lister.
>
>http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels002.jpg
>
>When  the wheels arrived today I open the first box of four and was looking
>at the  wheel and I saw a crack. I thought "Darn" the guy sold me a wheel 
>with
>a  cracked rim, oh well I will get it  welded.
>
>http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/WheelWeld.jpg
>
>I  then opened up the other three wheels and "Quadruple Darn", all of the
>wheels  had cracked rims. I begin to look more closely at the cracks to 
>see how
>bad  they were and I noticed that the crack on the face of the rim did not 
>line
>up  with the crack on the inter-face of the rim. I then saw that the metal
>had  been scarfed (Over-lapped) and it was then a light turned on in this 
>hole
>riddled brain of mine....these wheels have been forged welded (Hammer  Welded)
>
>Anyone got any idea how old these flat spoked wheels are that  had the rims
>forged welded together?
>
>Just  curious.
>
>Paul
>
>
>
>
>
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454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Feb 15 09:00:04 2007
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:00:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] More Pictures of the Iron Wheels
References: <014901c750b4$786181e0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<45D46D9A.5020604@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c75122$c1599540$4a83fb40@HP28276676518>

Curt,

Thanks for the education on how these old wheels were made.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] More Pictures of the Iron Wheels


> Paul,
> All the steel rimmed old wheels I've seen are hammer welded as you've 
> noticed. You asked about why not casting the rim......it is a durability 
> and cost issue. Picture the kind of ruts and logs these engine carts were 
> pulled over a 100 years ago. Steel rims would flex and bend a little and 
> continue on. Occasional corrections with a hammer would make it all good 
> again. Cast rims are brittle and the only solution is to beef the 
> thickness up considerably to compensate and this drove the cost sky high. 
> Cast iron must have been cheap in Oz as you see a lot of large cast rimmed 
> wheels there.
> Looking at your wheels I think I see the remnants of a single large hot 
> rivet in the center of the hammer weld. I've not seen this before as most 
> are simply hammer welded only.
> A while back I was contemplating making some wheels from scratch as I 
> couldn't seem to find a pair of 24" Hercules cart wheels after looking a 
> couple of years. Dug up some articles on the manufacturing method as I was 
> convinced the steel spokes were cast into the hub. Sure enough that was 
> the case. It seems the green sand molds would not support the spokes well 
> enough so they developed water cooled D2 steel cavity dies to pour the 
> cast iron into. (You'd think they would have used H13).
> As I recall when IHC moved away from the knobby style wheel hub to the 
> zigzig style they incorporated this steel cavity die molding method. The 
> spokes were upset (forged) with a "mushroom" on the hub end and a flange 
> on the other end about a 1/2" back from the end. The spokes were populated 
> into the open hub casting mold, the mold closed, and the cast iron poured 
> in.
> The rims were made from flat stock and in the case of your rims were hot 
> rolled thru a set of rollers to create the sunken area. Spoke holes were 
> punched at the correct interval along the proper length piece of steel. 
> Then they were cold rolled on a 3 roll rolling machine into a slightly 
> larger than needed circle. The hub/spoke assy was married to the rim and 
> the rim was closed until it bottomed on all the spoke flanges. The rim was 
> then hammer welded. Then they had a machine they put the wheel assembly in 
> and it gripped/supported the back of the flange on the spoke and a 
> "hammer" device that looked a lot like a chisel came out and hammered the 
> end of the spoke, spreading it flat to retain the rim. This chisel tool 
> rotated as it hammered, leaving the surface with a radial pattern of lines 
> across the face. If you are lucky enough to find some really nice old 
> wheels you can still see this pattern.
>
> Glad you found some wheels. What are you going to use for a 5th wheel? If 
> you make one from scratch make sure the front axle assy can pivot side to 
> side, otherwise uneven ground will put tremendous loads on your engine 
> base casting and possibly break it. I've been thinking about making a 
> couple of patterns for a generic 5th wheel for small carts (8 or10" 
> wheels). Missy's New Way engine needs a cart. I have some nice cast wheels 
> but don't have the 5th wheel yet. I kind of like the design of the Rock 
> Island cart fifth wheel system.
> See ya,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Paul Maples wrote:
>> I appreciate the response of those who have wrote in and assured me that 
>> these forged welds are original for early made wheels. For those who have 
>> not seen any like me here are a couple of more pictures of the wheel.
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Ironwheel1.jpg
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel2.jpg
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel3.jpg
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel4.jpg
>>
>> Paul
>>
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>>
>>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 15 10:39:59 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:39:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>	<004801c750b0$8c8d86e0$76b6123f@D8LJ7K91><014101c750b2$7f50c8f0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<45D3DE81.6090609@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <001901c75130$b4d77e50$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Tommy,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels


> Paul,
>    They'll hold up fine under an old engine.  These look like binder 
> wheels (used on IH binders) as I've got probably 10 sets of them and 
> they make nice engine trucks.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 15 10:55:47 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:55:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <c73.ca2b91f.33051c22@aol.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070215094544.02e49480@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c75132$eaf703a0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Mark.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels


>A third option for the metal but less likely might be wrought Iron for the 
>bands. Look at the metal closely and see if you can see what looks like 
>layering of the metal. A sure sign of wrought.  You see wheels made like 
>this more often then you might think.  Most folks just don't notice the 
>lapped forged seam. Or if they do notice don't give it a second thought 
>after deciding they are not cracks.              TTYL,  Mark
>
>
> 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 15 10:57:25 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:57:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY><004801c750b0$8c8d86e0$76b6123f@D8LJ7K91>
	<000001c750f6$d3e1b570$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <00cf01c75133$23350e10$240110ac@FAMILY>

Good info and a good story, thanks Peter.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels


> Kaye's grand father used to be a blacksmith in this area, he forge welded 
> most stuff, I have examples of it that have survived. I also have the post 
> drill, swage block and forge tools from the original balcksmith's shop. 
> The anvil was stolen during WW2 while the men were away fighting. I guess 
> the shop dates back to the late 1800's - 1940's.
> I was told a story by Kaye's father of how his father forge welded a prop 
> shaft from a tug boat in the Clarence River, where we  live. The shaft was 
> 6" in diameter and they aligned the shaft, setup the fire heating both 
> ends and the finished job was a perfectly welded and aligned shaft.
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> Anything older than 1930 is likely to be hammer welded.  I have a lot of 
>> cart wheels with similar rim welds.Glenn Karch
>> Hercules Historian
>> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
>
>>
>>
>> Well gang the longer you stay in this hobby the more you learn...right?
>>
>> I got a real good deal on a set of cast iron wheels, flat spoked, and 
>> they arrived today. I plan on using these on a cart I will build later 
>> for my 5 HP Lister.
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels002.jpg
>>
>> When the wheels arrived today I open the first box of four and was 
>> looking at the wheel and I saw a crack. I thought "Darn" the guy sold me 
>> a wheel with a cracked rim, oh well I will get it welded.
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/WheelWeld.jpg
>>
>> I then opened up the other three wheels and "Quadruple Darn", all of the 
>> wheels had cracked rims. I begin to look more closely at the cracks to 
>> see how bad they were and I noticed that the crack on the face of the rim 
>> did not line up with the crack on the inter-face of the rim. I then saw 
>> that the metal had been scarfed (Over-lapped) and it was then a light 
>> turned on in this hole riddled brain of mine....these wheels have been 
>> forged welded (Hammer Welded)
>>
>> Anyone got any idea how old these flat spoked wheels are that had the 
>> rims forged welded together?
>>
>> Just curious.
>>
>> Paul
>
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Feb 15 17:50:09 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:50:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Help from Skype users world wide OT
Message-ID: <000301c7516c$ca636d60$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi All

I am running a SKYPE computer class tonight in Australia, I teach computers 
for a living, and I am after those who will be online at around 7.30pm 
tonight Oz time.

I have a class of 6 and I want to show them conferencing and then allow them 
to chat 1 on1  across Oz, UK, USA.

Also those who have video would be useful also.

My Skype name is ozengines if you want to hook up.

I will also be using Google Talk and my address for that is 
ozengines at gmail.com

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm







From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Feb 15 18:14:02 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:14:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Setup
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070215211249.04928158@mail.alltel.net>

Any more opinions on the Portland setup? If so, let me know and I'll pass 
them on.
	Dave



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Feb 16 00:12:20 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:12:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Only in Aus.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070216100758.00aa3a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Better not mess with the Aussies - look what they do for fun :-)

<http://www.canada.com/topics/news/oddities/story.html?id=39858bae-ff68-4ddb-8cae-88aed89264df&k=54992?>

         I'm off to Sandstone
<http://www.sandstone-estates.com/index_sht.html>
in an hour so will only read mail again on Tuesday. Just finished a big 
order of signs for them.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Feb 16 06:38:05 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:38:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Only in Aus.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070216100758.00aa3a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070216100758.00aa3a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070216093433.02ec2260@pop3.wcoil.com>

Not suprising since Aussies produced the Croc Hunter. HMMM maye some fellow 
with money should start a new era in television with "The Shark Hunter" 
Copyright 2007 Shulaw Studios Ltd. GRINNNNN   TTYL, Mark

At 03:12 AM 2/16/07, you wrote:
>Hi Guys,
>         Better not mess with the Aussies - look what they do for fun :-)
>
><http://www.canada.com/topics/news/oddities/story.html?id=39858bae-ff68-4ddb-8cae-88aed89264df&k=54992?>
>
>    Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Tel. (016) 365-5787
>Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
>Cell: 083 293 7191
>Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
>www.oldengine.org/members/evans

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 16 17:40:35 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:40:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
Message-ID: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Looking for some ideas on how to build the front bolster (steering part) for the cart I am building for the Stover. I want to be able to steer it as well as I want the cart to be able to pivot side to side. I will be using wood beams but the concepts will be the same for both steel and wood.

I would appreciate seeing some carts that have the steering and pivoting bolsters.

Thanks,

Paul



From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Feb 16 18:25:27 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:25:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
Message-ID: <380-22007261722527500@coastalnet.com>

Paul,

Go to my resources page at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/
and check out Rod Haskell's page on cart construction.  
You might get some ideas from his page.

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/16/2007 8:40:50 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
>
> Looking for some ideas on how to build the front bolster (steering part)
for the cart I am building for the Stover. I want to be able to steer it as
well as I want the cart to be able to pivot side to side. I will be using
wood beams but the concepts will be the same for both steel and wood.
>
> I would appreciate seeing some carts that have the steering and pivoting
bolsters.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 16 18:36:17 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:36:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
References: <380-22007261722527500@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <002001c7523c$69761450$240110ac@FAMILY>

Will do Ken, thanks.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart


> Paul,
> 
> Go to my resources page at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/
> and check out Rod Haskell's page on cart construction.  
> You might get some ideas from his page.
> 
> Take care.
> 
> Ken
> 



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Fri Feb 16 19:54:26 2007
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:54:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c75247$53b9f540$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine motor
for winding.

Charlie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


> Hi Charlie.
> What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
> close to scrap price.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
> <mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
> >
> > a very profitable venture..
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>
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Feb 16 19:08:29 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:08:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
Message-ID: <380-2200726173829515@coastalnet.com>

My apologies to Ron Haskell for calling him Rod.  My memory sometimes
doesn't last long between reading and typing.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/16/2007 9:36:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
>
> Will do Ken, thanks.
>
> Paul




From ironman1962 at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 16 20:02:39 2007
From: ironman1962 at earthlink.net (Kevin)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:02:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<000e01c75247$53b9f540$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>

Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
ironman
Kevin Mosier

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


> Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
> so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
> ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
> he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine 
> motor
> for winding.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
>
>> Hi Charlie.
>> What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
>> close to scrap price.
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>> <mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
>> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
>> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
>> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
>> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
>> >
>> > a very profitable venture..
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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> 8:40 PM
>>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Feb 16 20:08:37 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:08:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
Message-ID: <20070216.200837.1392.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Not a problem Ken.  I think the saying goes; " Call me anything you want,
just as long as it is not late for dinner"
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:08:29 -0500 "Ken Christison"
<christison at coastalnet.com> writes:
> My apologies to Ron Haskell for calling him Rod.  My memory 
> sometimes
> doesn't last long between reading and typing.
> 
> Ken


From elidas at aol.com  Fri Feb 16 21:27:16 2007
From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:27:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <380-22007261722527500@coastalnet.com>
References: <380-22007261722527500@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <8C9206B6BA27814-15DC-1C69@mblk-r21.sysops.aol.com>

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: christison at coastalnet.com
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart


Paul,

Go to my resources page at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/
and check out Rod Haskell's page on cart construction.  
You might get some ideas from his page.

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/16/2007 8:40:50 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
>
> Looking for some ideas on how to build the front bolster (steering part)
for the cart I am building for the Stover. I want to be able to steer it as
well as I want the cart to be able to pivot side to side. I will be using
wood beams but the concepts will be the same for both steel and wood.
>
> I would appreciate seeing some carts that have the steering and pivoting
bolsters.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Feb 16 21:47:18 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:47:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><000e01c75247$53b9f540$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <02a101c75257$193bf2a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

For a long time now, I have used ballasts out of fluro lights. They work 
perfectly and draw little current.
I aint seen many engines with the LT coil as a feature of the display 
so.....
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin" <ironman1962 at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


> Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> ironman
> Kevin Mosier
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
>
>> Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
>> so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
>> ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
>> he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine 
>> motor
>> for winding.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>>
>>> Hi Charlie.
>>> What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
>>> close to scrap price.
>>>
>>> Ron Haskell
>>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>>> Riverside, California
>>> USA
>>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>>> <mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>>> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
>>> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>>> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>>> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>>> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
>>> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>>> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>>> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>>> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
>>> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
>>> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
>>> >
>>> > a very profitable venture..
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/07
>> 8:40 PM
>>>
>>>
>>
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Fri Feb 16 23:38:15 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:38:15 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <033b01c75266$95e96030$8335c53e@doc>

I'd be interested in the recipe, for sure.  Thanks.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: 17 February 2007 04:03
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> 
> Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> ironman
> Kevin Mosier
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> 
> 
> > Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
> > so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
> > ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I 
> don't think
> > he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a 
> sewing machine 
> > motor
> > for winding.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >
> >
> >> Hi Charlie.
> >> What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to 
> get some at
> >> close to scrap price.
> >>
> >> Ron Haskell
> >> rdhaskell at juno.com
> >> Riverside, California
> >> USA
> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> >>
> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
> >> <mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
> >> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
> >> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
> >> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
> >> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> >> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
> >> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
> >> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
> >> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
> >> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to 
> cost him just
> >> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for 
> about $10
> >> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for 
> it was not
> >> >
> >> > a very profitable venture..
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release 
> Date: 1/23/07
> > 8:40 PM
> >>
> >>
> >
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 23:42:35 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:42:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702162342x5487009offebc6caceef4290@mail.gmail.com>

On 17/02/07, Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Looking for some ideas on how to build the front bolster (steering part) for the cart I am building for the Stover. I want to be able to steer it as well as I want the cart to be able to pivot side to side. I will be using wood beams but the concepts will be the same for both steel and wood.
>
> I would appreciate seeing some carts that have the steering and pivoting bolsters.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 23:45:44 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:45:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702162342x5487009offebc6caceef4290@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<6f6025160702162342x5487009offebc6caceef4290@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702162345j1f61bbffvc55370c4e78a7313@mail.gmail.com>

> On 17/02/07, Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > Looking for some ideas on how to build the front bolster (steering part) for the cart I am building for the Stover. I want to be able to steer it as well as I want the cart to be able to pivot side to side. I will be using wood beams but the concepts will be the same for both steel and wood.
> >
> > I would appreciate seeing some carts that have the steering and pivoting bolsters.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Paul

Our trolley for the Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR horizontal diesel may be a
bit modern, but the principals of the pivot etc may be of
interest/help:

Start of that section is at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ruston1ZHR/RustonMenu.htm

Or the main trolley bits start at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ruston1ZHR/Ruston7.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From ironman1962 at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 17 00:50:08 2007
From: ironman1962 at earthlink.net (Kevin)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:50:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <033b01c75266$95e96030$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <017c01c75270$a3eb7380$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>

  Ok, I will send it to your email in the next day or so. Im doing cows and 
calf, the rest of the night. You know them little dudes got to be tough to 
make it just born hour ago in the snow. Once im sure he`s getting milk he 
will make it ok. Cold out with that 25 mph west wind. Must be doing good 
he`s up running around ok.
ironman
Kevin Mosier
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


> I'd be interested in the recipe, for sure.  Thanks.
>
> Regards
>
>     Pete
> -- 
> Peter Scales
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
>> Sent: 17 February 2007 04:03
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>> Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
>> ironman
>> Kevin Mosier
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
>> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>>
>> > Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
>> > so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
>> > ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I
>> don't think
>> > he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a
>> sewing machine
>> > motor
>> > for winding.
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Charlie.
>> >> What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to
>> get some at
>> >> close to scrap price.
>> >>
>> >> Ron Haskell
>> >> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> >> Riverside, California
>> >> USA
>> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>> >> <mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>> >> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
>> >> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>> >> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>> >> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>> >> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
>> >> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>> >> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>> >> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>> >> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to
>> cost him just
>> >> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for
>> about $10
>> >> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for
>> it was not
>> >> >
>> >> > a very profitable venture..
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> SEL mailing list
>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -- 
>> >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
>> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release
>> Date: 1/23/07
>> > 8:40 PM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com  Sat Feb 17 07:38:21 2007
From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:38:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
References: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>	<000e01c75247$53b9f540$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <45D7216D.2080504@matthewsfarm.com>

Please sent me the recipe when you get a chance.
Thanks

<<Bob Matthews>>
  <<NW Ohio>>



Kevin wrote:

> Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> ironman
> Kevin Mosier
>
>


From badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us  Sat Feb 17 07:53:03 2007
From: badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us (badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:53:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Setup
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070215211249.04928158@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070215211249.04928158@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0702171030320.18665@alcor.astro.indiana.edu>

 	I love going to Portland to see the friends I've made on the list, 
the engines and tractors, and the swap area.

 	The show/swap area covers about twice the area it did 12 years ago 
and the improved camping area is about twice as large as well.  I expect 
the show will remain roughly the size it is for a few years so the club 
can plan on the same level of participation.

 	I would like to see the engine display area unified under the 
trees on the fairgrounds.  I would move the feature tractors to the east 
with the rest of the tractors.

 	The new tractor area and east part of the vendor area could be 
vastly improved with the care the parking lot and older vendor area 
receive, incuding planting some trees.

 	Looking forward to seeing you all there.
Brice

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Any more opinions on the Portland setup? If so, let me know and I'll pass 
> them on.
> 	Dave
>


From ironman1962 at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 17 08:28:04 2007
From: ironman1962 at earthlink.net (Kevin)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:28:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <033b01c75266$95e96030$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <002801c752b0$9e80c770$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>

Bill, Francis, Pete, and anyone interested.

ironman

Kevin Mosier

To make a coil from auto junkyard parts.

Get a Bosch (or similar) relay from a newer car,

they are used for accesories.

On the side of it you will see a wiring diagram

with numbers 30, 87, 87a,85, 86.

You will need a auto coil and condenser.

Connect a wire from terminal 85 to the coil positve side.

Connect another wire from terminal 86 to coil negative.

Connect a wire from coil negative to terminal 30. 

Connect terminal 87a to contact points on engine

and from there to battery negative.

Connect condenser between terninals 30 and87a

It should be ready to fire.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


> I'd be interested in the recipe, for sure.  Thanks.
> 
> Regards
> 
>     Pete
> -- 
> Peter Scales  
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
>> Sent: 17 February 2007 04:03
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>> 
>> Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
>> ironman
>> Kevin Mosier
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
>> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sat Feb 17 09:02:31 2007
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:02:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
References: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<000e01c75247$53b9f540$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <200702171205362.SM04060@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com>

I'd like a copy too.
Thanks.
Keith

At 10:02 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
>Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
>ironman
>Kevin Mosier
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
>
>>Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
>>so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
>>ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
>>he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine motor
>>for winding.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>>
>>>Hi Charlie.
>>>What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
>>>close to scrap price.
>>>
>>>Ron Haskell
>>>rdhaskell at juno.com
>>>Riverside, California
>>>USA
>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>>><mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>>> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
>>> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>>> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>>> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>>> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
>>> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>>> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>>> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>>> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
>>> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
>>> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
>>> >
>>> > a very profitable venture..
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>8:40 PM
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Keith Kinney
Evansville, Indiana  USA
www.HerculesEngines.com 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Feb 17 11:45:50 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:45:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702162345j1f61bbffvc55370c4e78a7313@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<6f6025160702162342x5487009offebc6caceef4290@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160702162345j1f61bbffvc55370c4e78a7313@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070217144132.04c85050@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Peter,
         Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby 
that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the 
pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
         Dave

>Our trolley for the Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR horizontal diesel may be a
>bit modern, but the principals of the pivot etc may be of
>interest/help:
>
>Start of that section is at:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ruston1ZHR/RustonMenu.htm
>
>Or the main trolley bits start at:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ruston1ZHR/Ruston7.htm
>
>Peter



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 17 15:30:20 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:30:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
Message-ID: <410-220072617233020968@earthlink.net>

you can use the transformer out of an old tv set too and you don't have to
buy or rework anything.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/17/2007 11:33:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
> I'd like a copy too.
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
> At 10:02 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
> >Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> >ironman
> >Kevin Mosier
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant"
<mogul460 at localnet.com>
> >To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >
> >
> >>Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
> >>so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
> >>ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
> >>he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine
motor
> >>for winding.
> >>
> >>Charlie
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi Charlie.
> >>>What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
> >>>close to scrap price.
> >>>
> >>>Ron Haskell
> >>>rdhaskell at juno.com
> >>>Riverside, California
> >>>USA
> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> >>>
> >>>On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
> >>><mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
> >>> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
> >>> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
> >>> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
> >>> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> >>> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
> >>> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
> >>> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
> >>> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
> >>> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
> >>> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
> >>> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
> >>> >
> >>> > a very profitable venture..
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>SEL mailing list
> >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
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> >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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> >>8:40 PM
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> >>
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> Keith Kinney
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Feb 17 16:41:43 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:41:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <410-220072617233020968@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20070218004149.788D9627826@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org>

I'm not positive, but I think we are confusing low tension and High tension.
You don't need a transformer of any kind, just a coil. Cya, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:30 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils

you can use the transformer out of an old tv set too and you don't have to
buy or rework anything.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/17/2007 11:33:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
> I'd like a copy too.
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
> At 10:02 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
> >Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> >ironman
> >Kevin Mosier
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant"
<mogul460 at localnet.com>
> >To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >
> >
> >>Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
> >>so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
> >>ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
> >>he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine
motor
> >>for winding.
> >>
> >>Charlie
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi Charlie.
> >>>What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
> >>>close to scrap price.
> >>>
> >>>Ron Haskell
> >>>rdhaskell at juno.com
> >>>Riverside, California
> >>>USA
> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> >>>
> >>>On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
> >>><mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
> >>> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
> >>> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
> >>> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
> >>> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> >>> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
> >>> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
> >>> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
> >>> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
> >>> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
> >>> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
> >>> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
> >>> >
> >>> > a very profitable venture..
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>SEL mailing list
> >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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> >>8:40 PM
> >>>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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>
> Keith Kinney
> Evansville, Indiana  USA
> www.HerculesEngines.com 
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Feb 17 17:14:43 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:14:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <20070218004149.788D9627826@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
References: <20070218004149.788D9627826@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
Message-ID: <45D7A883.2040406@scrtc.com>

Jimmy,
    I think they mean the transformers make good low tension coils.  One 
of the hottest low tension coils I have is a tranformer for an outdoor 
flood light. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Jim O'Hagan wrote:

>I'm not positive, but I think we are confusing low tension and High tension.
>You don't need a transformer of any kind, just a coil. Cya, Jimmy
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff
>Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:30 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
>you can use the transformer out of an old tv set too and you don't have to
>buy or rework anything.
>
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas
>
>
>  
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Date: 2/17/2007 11:33:27 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>>I'd like a copy too.
>>Thanks.
>>Keith
>>
>>At 10:02 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
>>>ironman
>>>Kevin Mosier
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant"
>>>      
>>>
><mogul460 at localnet.com>
>  
>
>>>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
>>>>so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
>>>>ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
>>>>he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine
>>>>        
>>>>
>motor
>  
>
>>>>for winding.
>>>>
>>>>Charlie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>>>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Charlie.
>>>>>What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
>>>>>close to scrap price.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ron Haskell
>>>>>rdhaskell at juno.com
>>>>>Riverside, California
>>>>>USA
>>>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>>>>><mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>In the next few months I think we are going to see
>>>>>>a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>>>>>>you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>>>>>>past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>>>>>>several years has been making low tension coils tells
>>>>>>me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>>>>>> He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>>>>>>last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>>>>>> then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
>>>>>>for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
>>>>>>more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>a very profitable venture..
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
>>>>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>>>>Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/07
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>8:40 PM
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
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>>>>        
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>2/16/2007 2:25 PM
>>>      
>>>
>>Keith Kinney
>>Evansville, Indiana  USA
>>www.HerculesEngines.com 
>>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Feb 17 18:04:19 2007
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:04:19 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
Message-ID: <1215151312.1171764259073.JavaMail.root@fepweb10>

---- Kevin <ironman1962 at earthlink.net> wrote: 
> Bill, Francis, Pete, and anyone interested.
> 
> ironman
> 
> Kevin Mosier
> 
> To make a coil from auto junkyard parts.
> 
> Get a Bosch (or similar) relay from a newer car,
> 
Kevin, this is a buzz coil, they are talking about low tension coils for ignitors.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Feb 17 19:12:07 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:12:07 EST
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
Message-ID: <c6f.a9e2485.33091e07@aol.com>

J B, Do these coils they are building, work about like the old Model T  coils 
did.
 
Thanks, Bill Miller. 



From reb at apex.net  Sat Feb 17 19:22:56 2007
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:22:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><000e01c75247$53b9f540$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <000c01c7530c$173d6140$0202a8c0@Dads>

Kevin: I would like to have a  your recipe for a coil too.

Thanks 
Dick Bauer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin" <ironman1962 at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


> Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> ironman
> Kevin Mosier
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> 
> 
>> Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
>> so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
>> ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
>> he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine 
>> motor
>> for winding.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>>
>>> Hi Charlie.
>>> What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
>>> close to scrap price.
>>>
>>> Ron Haskell
>>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>>> Riverside, California
>>> USA
>>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>>> <mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>>> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
>>> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>>> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>>> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>>> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
>>> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>>> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>>> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>>> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
>>> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
>>> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
>>> >
>>> > a very profitable venture..
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 17 20:18:54 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:18:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
Message-ID: <410-22007201841854531@earthlink.net>

Thank you Tommy,  I was just getting ready to say something like that.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/17/2007 7:32:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
> Jimmy,
>     I think they mean the transformers make good low tension coils.  One 
> of the hottest low tension coils I have is a tranformer for an outdoor 
> flood light. 
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>
> >I'm not positive, but I think we are confusing low tension and High
tension.
> >You don't need a transformer of any kind, just a coil. Cya, Jimmy
> >
> >Jim O'Hagan
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Christoff
> >Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:30 PM
> >To: The SEL email discussion list
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >
> >you can use the transformer out of an old tv set too and you don't have
to
> >buy or rework anything.
> >
> >Tim Christoff
> >Basehor Kansas
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>[Original Message]
> >>From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
> >>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Date: 2/17/2007 11:33:27 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >>
> >>I'd like a copy too.
> >>Thanks.
> >>Keith
> >>
> >>At 10:02 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> >>>ironman
> >>>Kevin Mosier
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant"
> >>>      
> >>>
> ><mogul460 at localnet.com>
> >  
> >
> >>>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
> >>>>so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
> >>>>ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
> >>>>he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >motor
> >  
> >
> >>>>for winding.
> >>>>
> >>>>Charlie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> >>>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi Charlie.
> >>>>>What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
> >>>>>close to scrap price.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ron Haskell
> >>>>>rdhaskell at juno.com
> >>>>>Riverside, California
> >>>>>USA
> >>>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
> >>>>><mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>In the next few months I think we are going to see
> >>>>>>a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
> >>>>>>you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
> >>>>>>past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> >>>>>>several years has been making low tension coils tells
> >>>>>>me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
> >>>>>> He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
> >>>>>>last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
> >>>>>> then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
> >>>>>>for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
> >>>>>>more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>a very profitable venture..
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>>SEL mailing list
> >>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >>>>>Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date:
1/23/07
> >>>>>          
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> >>>>
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> >>www.HerculesEngines.com 
> >>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 23:33:46 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:33:46 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070217144132.04c85050@mail.alltel.net>
References: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<6f6025160702162342x5487009offebc6caceef4290@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160702162345j1f61bbffvc55370c4e78a7313@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070217144132.04c85050@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702172333u47001ddfi38fb115c6e3ebce0@mail.gmail.com>

On 17/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>          Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby
> that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the
> pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
>          Dave

Hi Dave:

Not mine at the rally, but the pictures that we took last year are at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle20061.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Feb 18 00:01:28 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:01:28 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <002801c752b0$9e80c770$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <040501c75332$fe7047f0$8335c53e@doc>

Kevin

Many thanks for that.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: 17 February 2007 16:28
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> 
> Bill, Francis, Pete, and anyone interested.
> 
> ironman
> 
> Kevin Mosier
> 
> To make a coil from auto junkyard parts.
> 
> Get a Bosch (or similar) relay from a newer car,
> 
> they are used for accesories.
> 
> On the side of it you will see a wiring diagram
> 
> with numbers 30, 87, 87a,85, 86.
> 
> You will need a auto coil and condenser.
> 
> Connect a wire from terminal 85 to the coil positve side.
> 
> Connect another wire from terminal 86 to coil negative.
> 
> Connect a wire from coil negative to terminal 30. 
> 
> Connect terminal 87a to contact points on engine
> 
> and from there to battery negative.
> 
> Connect condenser between terninals 30 and87a
> 
> It should be ready to fire.
> 
> 
> 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 23:59:10 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:59:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 110V DC Generators 2-Bearing 10kW
Message-ID: <6f6025160702172359w58410370gd96a62ef7fa8e120@mail.gmail.com>

Saw this on ebay, the vendor has 5 units available, Buy It Now $800
each or Best Offer.

Item #110092890014

Located in Friendship, WI.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From edurand at cybertron.com  Sun Feb 18 07:24:30 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:24:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <1215151312.1171764259073.JavaMail.root@fepweb10>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEAKFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

A nice and relatively small low tension coil can be made from the coil out of a starter solenoid, the kind that sits atop the starter and pulls the gear into engagement.  Just take the solenoid apart down to the coil itself.  You can either use the original plunger for a core or, better, get a roll of soft iron (mechanic's wire) and cut a bundle of strands that will just fit inside the coil, long enough to stick out about an inch at both ends.

If you use a 12-Volt solenoid, it should work fine on either 6V or 12V.

If you want to make an authentic looking one, use the wire of of a solenoid to wind it.

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Feb 18 11:05:06 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:05:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:33 AM 2/18/2007, you wrote:
>On 17/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>Hi Peter,
>>          Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby
>>that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the
>>pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
>>          Dave
>
>Hi Dave:
>Not mine at the rally, but the pictures that we took last year are at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle20061.htm
>Peter

Thanks Peter, I think maybe that was the site to which I referred. Which of 
the engines is yours?
         Dave  



From edurand at cybertron.com  Sun Feb 18 11:49:51 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:49:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEBAFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Group:

The crew got it's January work days done at the power station with no loss of life and only minimal disruption to the natural order of things.

Take a look here!

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html

Take care - Elden




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Feb 18 12:20:46 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:20:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEBAFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEBAFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <45D8B51E.8080102@scrtc.com>

I really enjoyed the photos and info Elden.  Those guys are dedicated!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Elden DuRand wrote:

>Group:
>
>The crew got it's January work days done at the power station with no loss of life and only minimal disruption to the natural order of things.
>
>Take a look here!
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html
>
>Take care - Elden
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Feb 18 13:52:02 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:52:02 EST
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
Message-ID: <c7b.c42da58.330a2482@aol.com>

Elden,

Thanks for the great update photos on preparation to remove the power plants.

Are you headed to the Zolfo show next week?


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Feb 18 09:14:34 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:14:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702172333u47001ddfi38fb115c6e3ebce0@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<6f6025160702162342x5487009offebc6caceef4290@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160702162345j1f61bbffvc55370c4e78a7313@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070217144132.04c85050@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702172333u47001ddfi38fb115c6e3ebce0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218121326.04d5ba98@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:33 AM 2/18/2007, you wrote:
>On 17/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>Hi Peter,
>>          Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby
>>that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the
>>pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
>>          Dave
>
>Hi Dave:
>Not mine at the rally, but the pictures that we took last year are at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle20061.htm
>Peter

Thanks Peter, I think maybe that was the site to which I referred. Which of 
the engines is yours?
         Dave 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 18 15:44:27 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:44:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEBAFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c753b6$baac8450$240110ac@FAMILY>

Fantastic story Elden and a fantastic write up. Enjoyed every work and every 
pictures, thanks for posting this for all of us to see and enjoy.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at cybertron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:49 PM
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update


> Group:
>
> The crew got it's January work days done at the power station with no loss 
> of life and only minimal disruption to the natural order of things.
>
> Take a look here!
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html
>
> Take care - Elden




From edurand at cybertron.com  Sun Feb 18 16:53:26 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:53:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
In-Reply-To: <c7b.c42da58.330a2482@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEBFFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Tom:

For the first time in a couple or three years, I'm not going to make Zolfo this year.  Elaine and I will be getting our new house remodeled in Port Saint Joe, FL.  I SWEAR it's gonna be the last time I move!  They'll have to drag me out by the heels!

Now.........Anybody here want to buy a really nice house on 1/2 acre with 90 feet of Chocktawhatchee Bay shorefront?  Killer sunsets!

Now all I gotta do is move alla my junk!

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Germoamer at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 03:52 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
> 
> 
> Elden,
> 
> Thanks for the great update photos on preparation 
> to remove the power plants.
> 
> Are you headed to the Zolfo show next week?
> 
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> Germoamer at aol.com




From edurand at cybertron.com  Sun Feb 18 16:54:38 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:54:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
In-Reply-To: <001a01c753b6$baac8450$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEBFFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Paul:

It's sorta my alter-ego way to enjoy the project, since I'm not able to be there.

Take care - Elden Du

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 05:44 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
> 
> 
> Fantastic story Elden and a fantastic write up. 
> Enjoyed every work and every 
> pictures, thanks for posting this for all of us 
> to see and enjoy.
> 
> Paul




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Feb 18 21:04:33 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:04:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <45D7A883.2040406@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>

Hi Tommy, Which of the two coils do you use, The primary or secondary side?
Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:15 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils

Jimmy,
    I think they mean the transformers make good low tension coils.  One 
of the hottest low tension coils I have is a tranformer for an outdoor 
flood light. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Jim O'Hagan wrote:

>I'm not positive, but I think we are confusing low tension and High
tension.
>You don't need a transformer of any kind, just a coil. Cya, Jimmy
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff
>Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:30 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
>you can use the transformer out of an old tv set too and you don't have to
>buy or rework anything.
>
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas
>
>
>  
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Date: 2/17/2007 11:33:27 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>>I'd like a copy too.
>>Thanks.
>>Keith
>>
>>At 10:02 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
>>>ironman
>>>Kevin Mosier
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant"
>>>      
>>>
><mogul460 at localnet.com>
>  
>
>>>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
>>>>so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
>>>>ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
>>>>he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine
>>>>        
>>>>
>motor
>  
>
>>>>for winding.
>>>>
>>>>Charlie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>>>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Charlie.
>>>>>What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
>>>>>close to scrap price.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ron Haskell
>>>>>rdhaskell at juno.com
>>>>>Riverside, California
>>>>>USA
>>>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>>>>><mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>In the next few months I think we are going to see
>>>>>>a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>>>>>>you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>>>>>>past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>>>>>>several years has been making low tension coils tells
>>>>>>me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>>>>>> He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>>>>>>last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>>>>>> then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
>>>>>>for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
>>>>>>more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>a very profitable venture..
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Feb 18 21:25:15 2007
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:25:15 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEAKFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <034001c753e6$563b2a50$210110ac@service>

a/c compressor clutch coils also work well


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb 19 03:55:40 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 06:55:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
References: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
Message-ID: <45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com>

Jimmy,
    The coil I used is square and about 2 1/2 inch by 3 inches.  I don't 
know what size wire it is but would guess it is probably about 14.  This 
was an old flood light that I got this from, probably installed 
originally in the early '80s.  I don't know if the ones used now still 
have a similar coil or if some sort of electronic circuitry has taken 
its place.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



>Hi Tommy, Which of the two coils do you use, The primary or secondary side?
>Jimmy
>
>  
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Feb 19 06:22:15 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:22:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] A Bike just for John Culp (OT)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702190920230.441@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hey there John,

Somehow this looks like the sort of thing that would appeal to you.
ENJOY!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6375259.stm

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 08:01:00 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:01:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>

On 18/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> At 02:33 AM 2/18/2007, you wrote:
> >On 17/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> >>Hi Peter,
> >>          Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby
> >>that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the
> >>pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
> >>          Dave
> >
> >Hi Dave:
> >Not mine at the rally, but the pictures that we took last year are at:
> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle20061.htm
> >Peter
>
> Thanks Peter, I think maybe that was the site to which I referred. Which of
> the engines is yours?
>          Dave

See answer above....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Feb 19 10:00:49 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:00:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com
 >
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070219125841.04ea7bf8@mail.alltel.net>


>> >>Hi Peter,
>> >>          Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby
>> >>that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the
>> >>pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
>> >>          Dave
>> >Hi Dave:
>> >Not mine at the rally, but the pictures that we took last year are at:
>> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle20061.htm
>> >Peter
>>Thanks Peter, I think maybe that was the site to which I referred. Which of
>>the engines is yours?
>>          Dave
>See answer above....
>Peter

Could it have been a different Rally at which your engine was pictured? Or 
is it possible that my memory does not serve me well?
         Dave 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Feb 19 10:32:52 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:32:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A Bike just for John Culp (OT)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702190920230.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702190920230.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6b69b755ec1eed18f08e0b43897c0dfa@chartertn.net>

Looks like fun!

I don't bounce as well as I used to, though.

John

On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Hey there John,
>
> Somehow this looks like the sort of thing that would appeal to you.
> ENJOY!!
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6375259.stm
>
> See ya,  Arnie


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From shop at cccomm.net  Mon Feb 19 13:00:09 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:00:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis on a 3 HP Novo
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01f401c75468$f12d5380$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

I'm going to make a tank and try the electrolysis rust removal trick that 
was discussed in debth here a while back. Question I have, is it safe on 
babbit bearings? If not, then how are they protected?

Thansk in advance,
Dave





From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Feb 19 12:47:29 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:47:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com>
References: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
	<45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <45DA0CE1.8000804@telus.net>

Hello Group,
	The local museum has a lister Genset that has spun the connecting rod 
bearing. Fortunately, the problem was caught right away so the crank is 
still ok. I am listing the information I can get from name plates on the 
unit below. We would like to find a manual for it plus we would like to 
know if a connecting rod bearing shell is still available and where 
from. I think the cause of the problem is the oil dip tube is missing 
but I'm not sure. A picture or a sketch of the dip tube would be a big 
help too.

	The specs are as follows:
 From the engine name plate:
	No. 66597
	Spec no. A661	
	HP 3
	Rpm 725
 From the control panel plate:
	Type RHIA
	No. 139
 From the plate on the side of the generator:
	Dynamo no. 70L236
	Voltage 43/32	
	Amperage 40

	Any help will be greatly appreciated both by me and the museum staff. 
Thanks in advance.
	

Rupert
Ps. I will be away for the rest of this week so will answer any replies 
when I get back.
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Feb 19 13:40:00 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:40:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis on a 3 HP Novo
In-Reply-To: <01f401c75468$f12d5380$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>
	<01f401c75468$f12d5380$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070219163622.02ed55d0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Dave,
  I've never seen any harm to lead or babbit. It will darken it but thats 
the worst I've seen. It will come right off with a tooth brush sized wire 
brush.                     TTYL,    Mark

At 04:00 PM 2/19/07, you wrote:
>I'm going to make a tank and try the electrolysis rust removal trick that 
>was discussed in debth here a while back. Question I have, is it safe on 
>babbit bearings? If not, then how are they protected?
>
>Thansk in advance,
>Dave
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 13:52:26 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:52:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070219125841.04ea7bf8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070219125841.04ea7bf8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702191352w7adce43bseb4e2f68abaa1b25@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> >> >>Hi Peter,
> >> >>          Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby
> >> >>that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the
> >> >>pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
> >> >>          Dave
> >> >Hi Dave:
> >> >Not mine at the rally, but the pictures that we took last year are at:
> >> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle20061.htm
> >> >Peter
> >>Thanks Peter, I think maybe that was the site to which I referred. Which of
> >>the engines is yours?
> >>          Dave
> >See answer above....
> >Peter
>
> Could it have been a different Rally at which your engine was pictured? Or
> is it possible that my memory does not serve me well?
>          Dave

Dave:

Your memory is one of the longest, if not THE longest on the Lists! :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Feb 19 13:09:01 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:09:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <45DA0CE1.8000804@telus.net>
References: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
	<45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com> <45DA0CE1.8000804@telus.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702191605290.441@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rupert,

You can spend some time prowling around through the Lister info here...
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Technical/Techdata.htm

Peter Forbes can no doubt point you to the exact pages you need.

He can probably also pull an unused rod bearing shell off his spares
shelves.  Good luck!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Rupert Wenig wrote:

> 	The local museum has a lister Genset that has spun the connecting rod
> bearing. Fortunately, the problem was caught right away so the crank is
> still ok. I am listing the information I can get from name plates on the
> unit below. We would like to find a manual for it plus we would like to
> know if a connecting rod bearing shell is still available and where
> from. I think the cause of the problem is the oil dip tube is missing
> but I'm not sure. A picture or a sketch of the dip tube would be a big
> help too.
>
> 	The specs are as follows:
>  From the engine name plate:
> 	No. 66597
> 	Spec no. A661
> 	HP 3
> 	Rpm 725
>  From the control panel plate:
> 	Type RHIA
> 	No. 139
>  From the plate on the side of the generator:
> 	Dynamo no. 70L236
> 	Voltage 43/32
> 	Amperage 40



From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Feb 19 14:06:09 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:06:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis on a 3 HP Novo
In-Reply-To: <01f401c75468$f12d5380$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <200702192206.l1JM6Meq025102@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 1:00 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis on a 3 HP Novo

I'm going to make a tank and try the electrolysis rust removal trick that 
was discussed in debth here a while back. Question I have, is it safe on 
babbit bearings? If not, then how are they protected?

Thansk in advance,
Dave

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I've seen warnings, but so far I've never harmed any babbit, aluminum or
brass, including nameplates, when doing electrolysis.  

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Feb 19 18:18:37 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:18:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702191352w7adce43bseb4e2f68abaa1b25@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070219125841.04ea7bf8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702191352w7adce43bseb4e2f68abaa1b25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070219211457.04f2db48@mail.alltel.net>


>>Could it have been a different Rally at which your engine was pictured? Or
>>is it possible that my memory does not serve me well?
>>          Dave
>Dave:
>Your memory is one of the longest, if not THE longest on the Lists! :-))
>Peter

Hi Peter,
         I Knew it, I KNEW IT! Don't make me look and LOOK. Where are the 
pictures of your engine at a Rally? I know I saw those pictures, but damned 
if I can fine the site! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 23:21:03 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:21:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070219211457.04f2db48@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070219125841.04ea7bf8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702191352w7adce43bseb4e2f68abaa1b25@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070219211457.04f2db48@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702192321l5ded8a73g805b07f123a0fceb@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> >>Could it have been a different Rally at which your engine was pictured? Or
> >>is it possible that my memory does not serve me well?
> >>          Dave
> >Dave:
> >Your memory is one of the longest, if not THE longest on the Lists! :-))
> >Peter
>
> Hi Peter,
>          I Knew it, I KNEW IT! Don't make me look and LOOK. Where are the
> pictures of your engine at a Rally? I know I saw those pictures, but damned
> if I can fine the site! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>          Dave
>

Well, I am pretty sure you know the answer, but the Caterpillar 1Y73
was at the Shefford Mill Rally last year....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 23:23:21 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:23:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702191605290.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
	<45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com> <45DA0CE1.8000804@telus.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702191605290.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702192323n451501e0u4ef108cfd563021f@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/02/07, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Rupert,
>
> You can spend some time prowling around through the Lister info here...
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Technical/Techdata.htm
>
> Peter Forbes can no doubt point you to the exact pages you need.
>
> He can probably also pull an unused rod bearing shell off his spares
> shelves.  Good luck!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>

Rupert's engine is an A series petrol engine, and I am pretty sure we
haven't any big-end bearings for that engine. Might have a secondhand
rod with shells (part of a job lot of Lister bits we bought some years
back from a guy near Southampton) but it's a long shot.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Feb 20 05:10:08 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:10:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
Message-ID: <000b01c754f0$7322e760$51e9eddc@Edd>

Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury outboard on my 
sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking for 
parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust deflector 
plate and water  jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and are 
badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and goes real 
good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old outboard's or 
a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till now and 
am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns 



From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Tue Feb 20 06:29:09 2007
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:29:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <000b01c754f0$7322e760$51e9eddc@Edd>
Message-ID: <000401c754fb$7ca39bd0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>

Edd;
    Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown,
Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique Mercury
parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947 "Hurricane 10".
I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try searching
for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have a group
and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt up some
info for you.
Jim Mackessy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T


> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury outboard on
my
> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking for
> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust deflector
> plate and water  jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and are
> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and goes
real
> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old outboard's
or
> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till now
and
> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 20 07:22:33 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:22:33 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <000b01c754f0$7322e760$51e9eddc@Edd>
	<000401c754fb$7ca39bd0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>
Message-ID: <000b01c75502$f32c22c0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Mackessy" <jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T


> Edd;
>    Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown,
> Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique Mercury
> parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947 "Hurricane 10".
> I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try searching
> for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have a group
> and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt up some
> info for you.
> Jim Mackessy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
> 
>> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury outboard on my
>> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking for
>> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust deflector
>> plate and water  jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and are
>> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and goes real
>> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old outboard's
> or
>> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till now and
>> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
>> EDD PAYNE

Have a look at http://www.oldmercs.com/
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv




From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Tue Feb 20 08:32:54 2007
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:32:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
In-Reply-To: <000b01c75502$f32c22c0$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <000b01c754f0$7322e760$51e9eddc@Edd>
	<000401c754fb$7ca39bd0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>
	<000b01c75502$f32c22c0$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org>

Edd,
It sounds like parts you might be able to fabricate and using a more 
modern alloy, you might find the parts would last a bit longer.

Good luck,
Tom

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:22:33 -0000
  "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy" 
><jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
> 
> 
>> Edd;
>>    Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown,
>> Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique 
>>Mercury
>> parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947 
>>"Hurricane 10".
>> I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try 
>>searching
>> for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have 
>>a group
>> and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt 
>>up some
>> info for you.
>> Jim Mackessy
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
>> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM
>> Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>> 
>>> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury 
>>>outboard on my
>>> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking 
>>>for
>>> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust 
>>>deflector
>>> plate and water  jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and 
>>>are
>>> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and 
>>>goes real
>>> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old 
>>>outboard's
>> or
>>> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till 
>>>now and
>>> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
>>> EDD PAYNE
> 
> Have a look at http://www.oldmercs.com/
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
> 
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From lyle45859 at roadrunner.com  Tue Feb 20 09:23:48 2007
From: lyle45859 at roadrunner.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:23:48 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <45DB2EA4.000001.00988@CATS-D22786ABFC>

www.oldmercs.com/
FAX Toll-Free to 1-888-OLD-MERC (fax only, must be within US) or from
outside US Fax to: 610-495-6868 
Or MAIL it to: 
East Coast Marine Service 
Grubb's Marine Division 
3363 W. Ridge  Pike
Pottstown, PA 19464 
Or CALL us at 610-495-7774.
Here are a few web addresses that may help you in your search for parts.
Lyle Myles 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Tom Smith 
Date: 02/20/07 11:45:02 
To: The SEL email discussion list 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T 
 
Edd, 
It sounds like parts you might be able to fabricate and using a more 
Modern alloy, you might find the parts would last a bit longer. 
 
Good luck, 
Tom 
 
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:22:33 -0000 
"Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote: 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy" 
><jmackess at twcny.rr.com> 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:29 PM 
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T 
> 
> 
>> Edd; 
>> Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown, 
>> Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique 
>>Mercury 
>> parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947 
>>"Hurricane 10". 
>> I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try 
>>searching 
>> for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have 
>>a group 
>> and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt 
>>up some 
>> info for you. 
>> Jim Mackessy 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au> 
>> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM 
>> Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T 
>> 
>>> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury 
>>>outboard on my 
>>> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking 
>>>for 
>>> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust 
>>>deflector 
>>> plate and water jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and 
>>>are 
>>> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and 
>>>goes real 
>>> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old 
>>>outboard's 
>> or 
>>> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till 
>>>now and 
>>> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people. 
>>> EDD PAYNE 
> 
> Have a look at http://www.oldmercs.com/ 
> Dave Croft 
> Warrington 
> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
 
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Tue Feb 20 10:16:27 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:16:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] cooling the V-12
Message-ID: <003801c7551b$3da1cb80$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

hello all,,
i finally found a suitable radiator and am replacing the cooling tank on the 
GMC V-12,,,,
does anyone have a source for a  2 inch ID by 26 inch legnth  common 
flexible radiator hose ? what i;m running into locally is a skip from 24 
inches to 33 inches,,,,
any suggestions would be appreciated,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others. 




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Feb 20 11:32:16 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:32:16 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <200702201700.l1KH05KK008598@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070220212935.00adafb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 20/02/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:47:29 -0700
>From: Rupert Wenig <rwenig at telus.net>
>Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
>
>Hello Group,
>         The local museum has a lister Genset that has spun the connecting 
> rod
>bearing. Fortunately, the problem was caught right away so the crank is
>still ok. I am listing the information I can get from name plates on the
>unit below. We would like to find a manual for it plus we would like to
>know if a connecting rod bearing shell is still available and where
>from. I think the cause of the problem is the oil dip tube is missing
>but I'm not sure. A picture or a sketch of the dip tube would be a big
>help too.
>
>         The specs are as follows:
>  From the engine name plate:
>         No. 66597
>         Spec no. A661
>         HP 3
>         Rpm 725
>  From the control panel plate:
>         Type RHIA
>         No. 139
>  From the plate on the side of the generator:
>         Dynamo no. 70L236
>         Voltage 43/32
>         Amperage 40
>
>         Any help will be greatly appreciated both by me and the museum 
> staff.
>Thanks in advance.
>
>
>Rupert
>Ps. I will be away for the rest of this week so will answer any replies
>when I get back.


Hi Rupert,
         there are engine manuals for the Lister A available  on Paul 
Evans's site for a small donation:
<http://www.internalfire.com/>
         I'm not sure about the genset manual though.



Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From paul at semidiesel.com  Tue Feb 20 12:06:57 2007
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:06:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070220212935.00adafb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070220212935.00adafb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <45DB54E1.3040000@semidiesel.com>

Manuals set off list.

Paul

-- 

Internal Fire Museum of Power

Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS

http://www.internalfire.com



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Feb 20 12:04:17 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:04:17 EST
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
Message-ID: <ce8.9f48d83.330cae41@aol.com>

Hey Men,
 
Is it cold enough for you, a friend of mine (knowing I had a wood shop)  
asked me to build him a battery box for a Hit and Miss engine, he wanted it  8X8X8 
inches inside, what I want to know is what size boxes are some of you  using 
and what type of battery's are you using, are they motor cycle bat. 12v.  dry 
type rechargeable or what and is this size box large enough for  average use. 
I put three pictures in my photo gallery on a For PowerStroke  Diesel list 
that I am on and I will put the Link's to them below, you can click  on each Link 
or click on the first picture, then click on the arrow at the top  right of 
first pic. and it will take you to the next one, let me know what you  think?
 
Thanks, Bill Miller.
 
_http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31346&papass=&sort=1&thec
at=500_ 
(http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31346&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500) 
 
_http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31345&papass=&sort=1&thec
at=500_ 
(http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31345&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500) 
 
_http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thec
at=500_ 
(http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500) 
 
 
 
 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb 20 14:13:13 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:13:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
In-Reply-To: <ce8.9f48d83.330cae41@aol.com>
References: <ce8.9f48d83.330cae41@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070220171139.18de9960@mail.alltel.net>

Nice work Bill, but for doG sake use oak. You put too much time and skill 
into it to use pine!
         Dave

At 03:04 PM 2/20/2007, you wrote:
>Hey Men,
>
>Is it cold enough for you, a friend of mine (knowing I had a wood shop)
>asked me to build him a battery box for a Hit and Miss engine, he wanted 
>it  8X8X8
>inches inside, what I want to know is what size boxes are some of you  using
>and what type of battery's are you using, are they motor cycle bat. 12v.  dry
>type rechargeable or what and is this size box large enough for  average use.
>I put three pictures in my photo gallery on a For PowerStroke  Diesel list
>that I am on and I will put the Link's to them below, you can click  on 
>each Link
>or click on the first picture, then click on the arrow at the top  right of
>first pic. and it will take you to the next one, let me know what you  think?
>
>Thanks, Bill Miller.



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Feb 20 15:09:36 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:09:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
Message-ID: <c20.fd1185a.330cd9b0@aol.com>

Thanks Dave, for the comment, this fellow wanted it made out of pine but I  
am going to also make one out of oak and see how it looks.
 
Thanks, Bill Miller.
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From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Tue Feb 20 21:28:10 2007
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:28:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org>
	<45DB2EA4.000001.00988@CATS-D22786ABFC>
Message-ID: <000d01c75579$1464e9b0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>

Well Ed, looks like the list comes through again! I got stuck at work for 13
hours today, but it looks like the guys took good care of you. I know the
guys at Grubb's will too. Enjoy your Mercury!
Regards;
Jim Mackessy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at roadrunner.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T


> www.oldmercs.com/
> FAX Toll-Free to 1-888-OLD-MERC (fax only, must be within US) or from
> outside US Fax to: 610-495-6868
> Or MAIL it to:
> East Coast Marine Service
> Grubb's Marine Division
> 3363 W. Ridge  Pike
> Pottstown, PA 19464
> Or CALL us at 610-495-7774.
> Here are a few web addresses that may help you in your search for parts.
> Lyle Myles
> -------Original Message------- 
>
> From: Tom Smith
> Date: 02/20/07 11:45:02
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>
> Edd,
> It sounds like parts you might be able to fabricate and using a more
> Modern alloy, you might find the parts would last a bit longer.
>
> Good luck,
> Tom
>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:22:33 -0000
> "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy"
> ><jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> ><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
> >
> >
> >> Edd;
> >> Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown,
> >> Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique
> >>Mercury
> >> parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947
> >>"Hurricane 10".
> >> I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try
> >>searching
> >> for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have
> >>a group
> >> and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt
> >>up some
> >> info for you.
> >> Jim Mackessy
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
> >> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM
> >> Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
> >>
> >>> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury
> >>>outboard on my
> >>> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking
> >>>for
> >>> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust
> >>>deflector
> >>> plate and water jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and
> >>>are
> >>> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and
> >>>goes real
> >>> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old
> >>>outboard's
> >> or
> >>> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till
> >>>now and
> >>> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
> >>> EDD PAYNE
> >
> > Have a look at http://www.oldmercs.com/
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Feb 21 07:12:15 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:12:15 -0800
Subject: [SEL] cooling the V-12
In-Reply-To: <003801c7551b$3da1cb80$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <003801c7551b$3da1cb80$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <20070221121219.DF69C228331@md5.pennswoods.net>

Bill just a suggestion. Why not go to your local custom exhaust place 
and get them to bend you a section of 2in id pipe as to your needs 
and angel. Then put two sections of 2in id hose one at the radiator 
and one at the motor.
imho
R Fink



At 12:16 PM 2/20/2007 -0600, you wrote:
>hello all,,
>i finally found a suitable radiator and am replacing the cooling 
>tank on the GMC V-12,,,,
>does anyone have a source for a  2 inch ID by 26 inch legnth  common 
>flexible radiator hose ? what i;m running into locally is a skip 
>from 24 inches to 33 inches,,,,
>any suggestions would be appreciated,,
>bill boyce
>lost prairie, arkansas
>
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>
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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Tue Feb 20 16:01:10 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:01:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
References: <ce8.9f48d83.330cae41@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002201c7554b$664b2f60$c2ff123f@D8LJ7K91>

Bill,

A box like that is fine.  There's enough room for a motor cycle battery and 
a buzz coil of LT coil, but it will be a little cramped  to manipulate the 
wiring as needed.  You need to add a knife switch on the outside.  One 
caution: that chain can cause battery short problems if it gets in the wrong 
place.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:04 PM
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.


> Hey Men,
>
> Is it cold enough for you, a friend of mine (knowing I had a wood shop)
> asked me to build him a battery box for a Hit and Miss engine, he wanted 
> it  8X8X8
> inches inside, what I want to know is what size boxes are some of you 
> using
> and what type of battery's are you using, are they motor cycle bat. 12v. 
> dry
> type rechargeable or what and is this size box large enough for  average 
> use.
> I put three pictures in my photo gallery on a For PowerStroke  Diesel list
> that I am on and I will put the Link's to them below, you can click  on 
> each Link
> or click on the first picture, then click on the arrow at the top  right 
> of
> first pic. and it will take you to the next one, let me know what you 
> think?
>
> Thanks, Bill Miller.
>
> _http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31346&papass=&sort=1&thec
> at=500_
> (http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31346&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500)
>
> _http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31345&papass=&sort=1&thec
> at=500_
> (http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31345&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500)
>
> _http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thec
> at=500_
> (http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500)
>
>
>
>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Wed Feb 21 07:01:40 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:01:40 -0600
Subject: [SEL] cooling the V-12
References: <003801c7551b$3da1cb80$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
	<20070221121219.DF69C228331@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <000601c755c9$31790270$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

richard,, thanks for the idea,,, sounds like a good idea,,,i;ve had a local 
muffler shop do some odd projects for me in the past and they always are 
very resonable in price,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty
     is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] cooling the V-12


> Bill just a suggestion. Why not go to your local custom exhaust place and 
> get them to bend you a section of 2in id pipe as to your needs and angel. 
> Then put two sections of 2in id hose one at the radiator and one at the 
> motor.
> imho
> R Fink
>
>
> 




From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Feb 21 14:44:06 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:44:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org><45DB2EA4.000001.00988@CATS-D22786ABFC>
	<000d01c75579$1464e9b0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>
Message-ID: <001e01c75609$cbf6ec00$51e9eddc@Edd>

Thank you all for your help and suggestion's.Have contacted Grub marine and 
waiting to hear back.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Mackessy" <jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T


> Well Ed, looks like the list comes through again! I got stuck at work for 
> 13
> hours today, but it looks like the guys took good care of you. I know the
> guys at Grubb's will too. Enjoy your Mercury!
> Regards;
> Jim Mackessy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at roadrunner.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>
>
>> www.oldmercs.com/
>> FAX Toll-Free to 1-888-OLD-MERC (fax only, must be within US) or from
>> outside US Fax to: 610-495-6868
>> Or MAIL it to:
>> East Coast Marine Service
>> Grubb's Marine Division
>> 3363 W. Ridge  Pike
>> Pottstown, PA 19464
>> Or CALL us at 610-495-7774.
>> Here are a few web addresses that may help you in your search for parts.
>> Lyle Myles
>> -------Original Message------- 
>>
>> From: Tom Smith
>> Date: 02/20/07 11:45:02
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>>
>> Edd,
>> It sounds like parts you might be able to fabricate and using a more
>> Modern alloy, you might find the parts would last a bit longer.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Tom
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:22:33 -0000
>> "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy"
>> ><jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>> ><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:29 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>> >
>> >
>> >> Edd;
>> >> Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown,
>> >> Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique
>> >>Mercury
>> >> parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947
>> >>"Hurricane 10".
>> >> I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try
>> >>searching
>> >> for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have
>> >>a group
>> >> and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt
>> >>up some
>> >> info for you.
>> >> Jim Mackessy
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
>> >> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM
>> >> Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>> >>
>> >>> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury
>> >>>outboard on my
>> >>> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking
>> >>>for
>> >>> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust
>> >>>deflector
>> >>> plate and water jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and
>> >>>are
>> >>> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and
>> >>>goes real
>> >>> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old
>> >>>outboard's
>> >> or
>> >>> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till
>> >>>now and
>> >>> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
>> >>> EDD PAYNE
>> >
>> > Have a look at http://www.oldmercs.com/
>> > Dave Croft
>> > Warrington
>> > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
>> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Wed Feb 21 16:28:49 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:28:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org><45DB2EA4.000001.00988@CATS-D22786ABFC><000d01c75579$1464e9b0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>
	<001e01c75609$cbf6ec00$51e9eddc@Edd>
Message-ID: <000501c75618$6c64aed0$6500a8c0@home>

Edd;

   I have a friend who bought  a couple semi trailer loads of old Mercs and 
parts from  Florida , he has many old merc outboards and I would bet he has 
what you need, He drives truck for the company I work for , when I see him I 
will ask him if he has what you need , He lives in Arena Wisconsin just 40 
miles south of me  but is on the road most of the time ,  will let you know 
soon as I find out


Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T


> Thank you all for your help and suggestion's.Have contacted Grub marine 
> and waiting to hear back.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Mackessy" <jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>
>
>> Well Ed, looks like the list comes through again! I got stuck at work for 
>> 13
>> hours today, but it looks like the guys took good care of you. I know the
>> guys at Grubb's will too. Enjoy your Mercury!
>> Regards;
>> Jim Mackessy
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at roadrunner.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>>
>>
>>> www.oldmercs.com/
>>> FAX Toll-Free to 1-888-OLD-MERC (fax only, must be within US) or from
>>> outside US Fax to: 610-495-6868
>>> Or MAIL it to:
>>> East Coast Marine Service
>>> Grubb's Marine Division
>>> 3363 W. Ridge  Pike
>>> Pottstown, PA 19464
>>> Or CALL us at 610-495-7774.
>>> Here are a few web addresses that may help you in your search for parts.
>>> Lyle Myles
>>> -------Original Message------- 
>>>
>>> From: Tom Smith
>>> Date: 02/20/07 11:45:02
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>>>
>>> Edd,
>>> It sounds like parts you might be able to fabricate and using a more
>>> Modern alloy, you might find the parts would last a bit longer.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:22:33 -0000
>>> "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy"
>>> ><jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>>> ><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:29 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Edd;
>>> >> Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown,
>>> >> Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique
>>> >>Mercury
>>> >> parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947
>>> >>"Hurricane 10".
>>> >> I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try
>>> >>searching
>>> >> for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have
>>> >>a group
>>> >> and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt
>>> >>up some
>>> >> info for you.
>>> >> Jim Mackessy
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >> From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
>>> >> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM
>>> >> Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury
>>> >>>outboard on my
>>> >>> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking
>>> >>>for
>>> >>> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust
>>> >>>deflector
>>> >>> plate and water jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and
>>> >>>are
>>> >>> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and
>>> >>>goes real
>>> >>> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old
>>> >>>outboard's
>>> >> or
>>> >>> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till
>>> >>>now and
>>> >>> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
>>> >>> EDD PAYNE
>>> >
>>> > Have a look at http://www.oldmercs.com/
>>> > Dave Croft
>>> > Warrington
>>> > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
>>> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > SEL mailing list
>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Wed Feb 21 16:49:15 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:49:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org><45DB2EA4.000001.00988@CATS-D22786ABFC><000d01c75579$1464e9b0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>
	<001e01c75609$cbf6ec00$51e9eddc@Edd>
Message-ID: <001601c7561b$47505060$6500a8c0@home>


 Edd;

     Also I have blown up two merc 115 HP out boards and rebuilt them they 
were 1965 in line six's , If my memory is working right the deflector and 
cover are the same bolt pattern from a 90 Hp all the way to a 150 Hp , the 
higher Hp's had differant timing , exhast deflectors and carbs to acheive 
the Hp so maybe you could use parts off one of the bigger engines

Rex 



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Feb 21 17:43:27 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:43:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org><45DB2EA4.000001.00988@CATS-D22786ABFC><000d01c75579$1464e9b0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04><001e01c75609$cbf6ec00$51e9eddc@Edd>
	<001601c7561b$47505060$6500a8c0@home>
Message-ID: <000c01c75622$dfd00fe0$51e9eddc@Edd>

Hi Rex.Thank you for that.Grub marine have got back to us and are unable to 
help so anything you find would be most appreciated.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T


>
> Edd;
>
>     Also I have blown up two merc 115 HP out boards and rebuilt them they 
> were 1965 in line six's , If my memory is working right the deflector and 
> cover are the same bolt pattern from a 90 Hp all the way to a 150 Hp , the 
> higher Hp's had differant timing , exhast deflectors and carbs to acheive 
> the Hp so maybe you could use parts off one of the bigger engines
>
> Rex
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From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Wed Feb 21 18:27:11 2007
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:27:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] con rod ID
Message-ID: <000601c75628$f55dbc30$b9e8b748@mycomputer>

I have a con rod that i have no idea what engine its made for. Its obviously from an old stationary engine since it has a grease cup on the big end. A80 is cast into the side of this rod. Does anyone have an idea?


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Feb 21 18:36:54 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:36:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] con rod ID
In-Reply-To: <000601c75628$f55dbc30$b9e8b748@mycomputer>
References: <000601c75628$f55dbc30$b9e8b748@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <45DD01C6.5050407@scrtc.com>

Got a photoalong with some dimensions you can post Tom?  Did Aermotor 
use an A prefix on their parts?  Someone might know.  Hagan did a letter 
designation (A thru FF) and cast the letters and numbers on their 
parts.  If I see it I can tell you if its Hagan or not.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>I have a con rod that i have no idea what engine its made for. Its obviously from an old stationary engine since it has a grease cup on the big end. A80 is cast into the side of this rod. Does anyone have an idea?
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Feb 21 18:38:15 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:38:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
Message-ID: <d03.999375b.330e5c17@aol.com>

Glenn, How much larger do you think I need to make the battery box for a  
small battery and a buzz coil, this box is 8X8X8 inches inside?  Where can  I get 
a small knife switch, would you think an Auto parts place would have them?  
Your suggestion on the chain for the lid was well taken, I think I  can  leave 
it off and the hinges will be strong enough to hold the lid OK when it is  
open, Link to one photo below,
 
_http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thec
at=500_ 
(http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500) 
 
Thanks for your comments and suggestions,
 
Bill Miller   
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Wed Feb 21 14:04:04 2007
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:04:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
References: <c20.fd1185a.330cd9b0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01c801c75604$33b13d60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Bill,

I made a battery box several years ago.  I did not have any nice hinges 
handy so I made a sliding lid that I fir up to give
a real nice fit.  Worked great here in Hemet which is hot and dry with low 
humidity, took it to a show by the coast and could hardly get it open.  I 
think this is why sliding lids are almost never seen

Jim

Jim and Diane
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss 
engine.


Thanks Dave, for the comment, this fellow wanted it made out of pine but I
am going to also make one out of oak and see how it looks.

Thanks, Bill Miller.
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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Thu Feb 22 06:03:31 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:03:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
References: <d03.999375b.330e5c17@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7568a$3d7d83e0$2eb7123f@D8LJ7K91>

Bill,

If you go to 10" inside on the battery box, that would be a big help.  Lee 
Pedersen has nice single pole ceramic knife switches.  Instead of the lid 
chain, you could go to a suitable cord.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss 
engine.


> Glenn, How much larger do you think I need to make the battery box for a
> small battery and a buzz coil, this box is 8X8X8 inches inside?  Where can 
> I get
> a small knife switch, would you think an Auto parts place would have them?
> Your suggestion on the chain for the lid was well taken, I think I  can 
> leave
> it off and the hinges will be strong enough to hold the lid OK when it is
> open, Link to one photo below,
>
> _http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thec
> at=500_
> (http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500)
>
> Thanks for your comments and suggestions,
>
> Bill Miller
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From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Feb 22 07:52:11 2007
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:52:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] con rod ID
References: <000601c75628$f55dbc30$b9e8b748@mycomputer>
	<45DD01C6.5050407@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000401c75699$6a93bac0$b9e8b748@mycomputer>

Thanks for the response..this rod is exactly 12 inches center to center. 
Pictures of it are at: http://community.webshots.com/user/stellar_jay.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] con rod ID


> Got a photoalong with some dimensions you can post Tom?  Did Aermotor use 
> an A prefix on their parts?  Someone might know.  Hagan did a letter 
> designation (A thru FF) and cast the letters and numbers on their parts. 
> If I see it I can tell you if its Hagan or not.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>I have a con rod that i have no idea what engine its made for. Its 
>>obviously from an old stationary engine since it has a grease cup on the 
>>big end. A80 is cast into the side of this rod. Does anyone have an idea?
>>_______________________________________________
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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Thu Feb 22 10:19:33 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:19:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] con rod ID
References: <000601c75628$f55dbc30$b9e8b748@mycomputer><45DD01C6.5050407@scrtc.com>
	<000401c75699$6a93bac0$b9e8b748@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <000a01c756ae$020ca5b0$93e7123f@D8LJ7K91>

Tom,

The dimensions and appearance would lead me to believe that the rod is from 
a 1 1/2 - 1 3/4 - 2 HP Hercules built engine.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Dunlap" <tdunlap at satx.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] con rod ID


> Thanks for the response..this rod is exactly 12 inches center to center. 
> Pictures of it are at: http://community.webshots.com/user/stellar_jay.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] con rod ID
>
>
>> Got a photoalong with some dimensions you can post Tom?  Did Aermotor use 
>> an A prefix on their parts?  Someone might know.  Hagan did a letter 
>> designation (A thru FF) and cast the letters and numbers on their parts. 
>> If I see it I can tell you if its Hagan or not.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>>I have a con rod that i have no idea what engine its made for. Its 
>>>obviously from an old stationary engine since it has a grease cup on the 
>>>big end. A80 is cast into the side of this rod. Does anyone have an idea?
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 23 08:03:56 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:03:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Wood Splitter
Message-ID: <BAY129-F10E038A12BD86BA2582571C88E0@phx.gbl>

Thought some of you would enjoy seeing these pictures that someone posted to 
a different forum I read.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/splitter1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/splitter2.jpg

and a movie showing one being used. (large file)

http://165.234.175.12/photos/Equipment/Rick%20Klebe%20Splitter.wmv

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

_________________________________________________________________
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http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 23 08:26:15 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:26:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
Message-ID: <BAY129-F34514A3B9A520016574D33C88E0@phx.gbl>

Just finished up a page of some pictures I took at a show (2006) in 
Allendale, Michigan. Mainly tractors, but some other stuff in there too.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale06/allendale2006.html


Here are the other pages from 2006. I have them on my main links page now, 
not sure if I have posted all of them before or not.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo06/kalamazoo06.html
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/oakley06/oakley06.html
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port06/thumbnails.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Feb 23 08:48:00 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:48:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wood Splitter
In-Reply-To: <BAY129-F10E038A12BD86BA2582571C88E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY129-F10E038A12BD86BA2582571C88E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <45DF1AC0.1030407@scrtc.com>

Yeah Luke and the end of the week they could total it up:

10 cords of wood
3 lost fingers

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Thought some of you would enjoy seeing these pictures that someone 
> posted to a different forum I read.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/splitter1.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/splitter2.jpg
>
> and a movie showing one being used. (large file)
>
> http://165.234.175.12/photos/Equipment/Rick%20Klebe%20Splitter.wmv
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more?.then map the best 
> route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Feb 23 11:24:30 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:24:30 EST
Subject: [SEL] Wood Splitter
Message-ID: <d3a.2f79a20.3310996e@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/23/2007 12:02:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
Yeah Luke and the end of the week they could total it up:
10 cords of wood
3 lost fingers

I sure thought the same thing and figured OSHA would not approve of it!


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 24 09:38:44 2007
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:38:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <BAY129-F34514A3B9A520016574D33C88E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F36A146D3ECB0A0D996908BD08D0@phx.gbl>

Just like to say thanks Luke, for some great pictures.  John


>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:26:15 +0000
>
>Just finished up a page of some pictures I took at a show (2006) in 
>Allendale, Michigan. Mainly tractors, but some other stuff in there too.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale06/allendale2006.html
>
>
>Here are the other pages from 2006. I have them on my main links page now, 
>not sure if I have posted all of them before or not.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo06/kalamazoo06.html
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/oakley06/oakley06.html
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port06/thumbnails.html
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. 
>http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Feb 26 09:25:34 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:25:34 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates and earning a living.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070226191236.00ad8b80@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Just to let you know that I've (at last) started etching the 
outstanding orders for brass spec. plates. I did the first few last night 
and will do more tonight.

         To those of you who have outstanding orders with me - thanks for 
all of your patience - as mentioned about 3 weeks ago I've been under a lot 
of pressure from work since November but, although I still have a lot of 
work on hand, I've got a chance to do some of the etching in between. 
Hopefully I will have caught up within the next 2 weeks.
         I think that I have sent artwork proofs to everyone who contacted 
me but if I've missed anyone please contact me off list and I'll send them 
to you. I have done all the artwork for all outstanding orders. (except 
that Novo - it'll happen soon)

         I've just finished a big (for me) signage job for Sandstone 
Estates so thought that I would put up a webpage to show you guys what I do 
for a living (My Daytime Job).  I often wonder what line other members are 
in so I thought I'd get the ball rolling. How about some of you letting the 
rest of the list what you do in real life? Maybe a webpage or even just a 
post to the list.
         I've put a page here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/sssigns/index.htm>


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Feb 26 09:55:53 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:55:53 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Digest's late
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070226195416.00ae1190@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         I get the Digest version of the SEL - it's nearly an hour late - 
hell I'm getting withdrawal symptoms - better go get another drink :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Feb 26 13:01:38 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:01:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates and earning a living.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070226191236.00ad8b80@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070226191236.00ad8b80@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070227075742.01b593a8@ncable.com.au>

G'day Jerry, mate lucky your not standing on a step lader up on the 
pallet lifter over here in Oz, the OH & S boys would have a field day 
on you.  You would need to be in a cage all strap in to some kind of 
harness etc.
None the less nice job.  If your feeling peckish check out our 
website, recently updated : www.thegourmetchef.com.au

regards Russell

At 04:25 AM 27/02/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Guys,
>         Just to let you know that I've (at last) started etching 
> the outstanding orders for brass spec. plates. I did the first few 
> last night and will do more tonight.
>
>         To those of you who have outstanding orders with me - 
> thanks for all of your patience - as mentioned about 3 weeks ago 
> I've been under a lot of pressure from work since November but, 
> although I still have a lot of work on hand, I've got a chance to 
> do some of the etching in between. Hopefully I will have caught up 
> within the next 2 weeks.
>         I think that I have sent artwork proofs to everyone who 
> contacted me but if I've missed anyone please contact me off list 
> and I'll send them to you. I have done all the artwork for all 
> outstanding orders. (except that Novo - it'll happen soon)
>
>         I've just finished a big (for me) signage job for Sandstone 
> Estates so thought that I would put up a webpage to show you guys 
> what I do for a living (My Daytime Job).  I often wonder what line 
> other members are in so I thought I'd get the ball rolling. How 
> about some of you letting the rest of the list what you do in real 
> life? Maybe a webpage or even just a post to the list.
>         I've put a page here:
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/sssigns/index.htm>
>
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Tel. (016) 365-5787
>Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
>Cell: 083 293 7191
>Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
>www.oldengine.org/members/evans
>
>_______________________________________________
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Feb 26 13:44:15 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:44:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates and earning a living.
Message-ID: <c25.10ed9885.3314aeaf@aol.com>

Jerry,

Great work!  Thanks for photos and write up.

Millie and I are headed out with the trailer and junk for Florida in the 
morning to a show and see some of the other list members.

http://old-engine.com/zolfo.htm


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Feb 26 15:37:59 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:37:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT,, For Edd Payne ,Merc 950ss OUTBOARD PARTS
Message-ID: <002101c759ff$26d0a910$6500a8c0@home>

Hi Edd;

    Talked to Larry the fellow who has all the Merc parts and he is almost positive he has what you need and would ask $50.00US plus shipping , he was on his way out with with a load for down south and won't be back for a couple weeks , He is a very good friend and true to his word , let me know if you want or don't want the parts ,   he also says any inline six merc from 90HP to 150 HP plate and cover  will work . I had an extra 115Hp but gave it away about a year ago, hope this helps.

Rex Hinz 


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Mon Feb 26 16:20:55 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:20:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT,, For Edd Payne ,Merc 950ss OUTBOARD PARTS
References: <002101c759ff$26d0a910$6500a8c0@home>
Message-ID: <000601c75a05$26dad380$d752ecdc@Edd>

Hi Rex.That's great.If it's in good order we will take it.Also could you ask 
him if he has an exhaust deflector plate.Let me know when you have a total 
price and I will get the money of to you.Do you need any other info . Thank 
you for all your help.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:37 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT,, For Edd Payne ,Merc 950ss OUTBOARD PARTS


> Hi Edd;
>
>    Talked to Larry the fellow who has all the Merc parts and he is almost 
> positive he has what you need and would ask $50.00US plus shipping , he 
> was on his way out with with a load for down south and won't be back for a 
> couple weeks , He is a very good friend and true to his word , let me know 
> if you want or don't want the parts ,   he also says any inline six merc 
> from 90HP to 150 HP plate and cover  will work . I had an extra 115Hp but 
> gave it away about a year ago, hope this helps.
>
> Rex Hinz
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Feb 26 17:56:48 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:56:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT,, For Edd Payne ,Merc 950ss OUTBOARD PARTS
References: <002101c759ff$26d0a910$6500a8c0@home>
	<000601c75a05$26dad380$d752ecdc@Edd>
Message-ID: <000601c75a12$8b97efd0$6500a8c0@home>

Edd;

     The price includes the exhaust deflector plate and the water jacket 
cover,  I hope you not in a real hurry as he has to get home and dig them 
out and this guy has very many projects like us engine people , He buys and 
restores old White semi trucks , I will keep after him , also make sure your 
merc is running at the recommended RPM as I used a clever prop and got lots 
of speed but not so far , too many RPM"S and busted up the roller rod 
bearings and pieces of bearing tore up the pistons and jugs ,

Rex

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT,, For Edd Payne ,Merc 950ss OUTBOARD PARTS


> Hi Rex.That's great.If it's in good order we will take it.Also could you 
> ask him if he has an exhaust deflector plate.Let me know when you have a 
> total price and I will get the money of to you.Do you need any other info 
> . Thank you for all your help.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:37 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT,, For Edd Payne ,Merc 950ss OUTBOARD PARTS
>
>
>> Hi Edd;
>>
>>    Talked to Larry the fellow who has all the Merc parts and he is almost 
>> positive he has what you need and would ask $50.00US plus shipping , he 
>> was on his way out with with a load for down south and won't be back for 
>> a couple weeks , He is a very good friend and true to his word , let me 
>> know if you want or don't want the parts ,   he also says any inline six 
>> merc from 90HP to 150 HP plate and cover  will work . I had an extra 
>> 115Hp but gave it away about a year ago, hope this helps.
>>
>> Rex Hinz
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
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From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Feb 26 19:43:03 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:43:03 -0700
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?U3BhbT4gUmU6IFtTRUxdIExpc3RlciBHZW5zZQ==?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?B?dCBoZWxw?=
In-Reply-To: <45DB54E1.3040000@semidiesel.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070220212935.00adafb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<45DB54E1.3040000@semidiesel.com>
Message-ID: <45E3A8C7.8020800@telus.net>

Hello Paul,
	Did you send a manual to me at rwenig at telus.net? If so, It hasn't 
arrived in my inbox yet.

Rupert

Paul Evans wrote:
> Manuals set off list.
> 
> Paul
> 

-- 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Feb 26 19:56:31 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:56:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702191605290.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>	<45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com>
	<45DA0CE1.8000804@telus.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702191605290.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <45E3ABEF.2040501@telus.net>

Hello Arnie,
	Thanks for the link. Peter has a wealth of info on his site. I 
downloaded the images under "Lister A series Petrol Engines" and will 
take to the museum. They were hoping to find a detail picture showing 
the oil dip on the end of the crank. The dipper is missing so one has to 
be manufactured.

Rupert

Arnie Fero wrote:
> Hi Rupert,
> 
> You can spend some time prowling around through the Lister info here...
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Technical/Techdata.htm
> 
> Peter Forbes can no doubt point you to the exact pages you need.
> 
> He can probably also pull an unused rod bearing shell off his spares
> shelves.  Good luck!!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Rupert Wenig wrote:
> 
>> 	The local museum has a lister Genset that has spun the connecting rod
>> bearing. Fortunately, the problem was caught right away so the crank is
>> still ok. I am listing the information I can get from name plates on the
>> unit below. We would like to find a manual for it plus we would like to
>> know if a connecting rod bearing shell is still available and where
>> from. I think the cause of the problem is the oil dip tube is missing
>> but I'm not sure. A picture or a sketch of the dip tube would be a big
>> help too.
>>
>> 	The specs are as follows:
>>  From the engine name plate:
>> 	No. 66597
>> 	Spec no. A661
>> 	HP 3
>> 	Rpm 725
>>  From the control panel plate:
>> 	Type RHIA
>> 	No. 139
>>  From the plate on the side of the generator:
>> 	Dynamo no. 70L236
>> 	Voltage 43/32
>> 	Amperage 40
> 
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Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Feb 26 19:58:08 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:58:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702192323n451501e0u4ef108cfd563021f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>	<45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com>
	<45DA0CE1.8000804@telus.net>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702191605290.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160702192323n451501e0u4ef108cfd563021f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45E3AC50.4000701@telus.net>

Hello Peter,
	I will let them know what you may have for parts. Thanks.

Rupert

Listerdiesel wrote:
> Rupert's engine is an A series petrol engine, and I am pretty sure we
> haven't any big-end bearings for that engine. Might have a secondhand
> rod with shells (part of a job lot of Lister bits we bought some years
> back from a guy near Southampton) but it's a long shot.
> 
> Peter

-- 
--
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Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Feb 26 19:59:38 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:59:38 -0700
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?U3BhbT4gUmU6IFtTRUxdIExpc3RlciBHZW5zZQ==?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?B?dCBoZWxw?=
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070220212935.00adafb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070220212935.00adafb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <45E3ACAA.3090807@telus.net>

Thanks Jerry. I'm checking the site.

Rupert

Jerry Evans wrote:
> 
> Hi Rupert,
>         there are engine manuals for the Lister A available  on Paul 
> Evans's site for a small donation:
> <http://www.internalfire.com/>
>         I'm not sure about the genset manual though.
> 
> 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Feb 27 12:23:01 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:23:01 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates and earning a living.
In-Reply-To: <200702271700.l1RH04u8013482@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200702272226578.SM01336@new.databak.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 27/02/2007, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:01:38 +1100
>From: Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Brass spec plates and earning a living.
>
>G'day Jerry, mate lucky your not standing on a step lader up on the
>pallet lifter over here in Oz, the OH & S boys would have a field day
>on you.  You would need to be in a cage all strap in to some kind of
>harness etc.
>None the less nice job.  If your feeling peckish check out our
>website, recently updated : www.thegourmetchef.com.au
>regards Russell

Hi Russell,
         I know - we do have safety rules here as well and if the 
inspectors found something like this they would throw the book at him 
(unless they got a big bribe which is becoming more and more of a problem 
here).
         The guy on the ladder is a private contractor and you will notice 
he is alone up there - he did not ask his staff to go up there with him. 
Also this was done on a farm - far away from prying eyes.
He would never get away with it if doing the same thing regularly in an 
urban area :-)
         Fortunately for him (and most other sign riggers) it is a case of 
work here today and somewhere else tomorrow. He has been doing this job for 
over 30 years and uses a mountaineers harness or a "bosun's chair" on high 
rise buildings with safety harnesses and the like. This job was a "low 
risk" one as far as he was concerned - only 9 metres from the ground ! He 
has only fallen once from about 12 metres when a ladder collapsed -  a few 
cracked a few ribs and a bit of damage to his pelvis when he hit the bottom 
of the ladder. He was back on the job within 10 days, crutches and all. 
These guys are a breed of their own.

         Your catering site looks good.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 27 15:49:43 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:49:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
Message-ID: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>

My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.

Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?

Paul



From bboyce at swat.coop  Tue Feb 27 16:21:32 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:21:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <000f01c75ace$669d0dc0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

paul, if the visor is rigid, plexiglass would be an option,, its available 
at most  glass shops,,,,
by the way, are you going to make the Brinkley show? its march 9 and 10,,, 
always a great show,,  hope to see you there,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians
----------------------
Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable 
visor on a Sandblast Helmet?

Paul





From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca  Tue Feb 27 18:47:39 2007
From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:47:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Bosch Type 22 Oscillating Magneto
Message-ID: <486860.85210.qm@web51401.mail.yahoo.com>

Would there be anyone who might have or know where to find information or a manual for an American-Bosch Type 22 Oscillating Mag.
  Thanks, in advance, Larry.

 		
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Feb 27 17:24:03 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:24:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <20070228022345.444B8627826@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org>

Hi Paul,Do you have a"TAP PLASTIC" near you?

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:50 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute

My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear
plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting as
the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in
Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute
until I can order some and could not find anything.

Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable
visor on a Sandblast Helmet?

Paul

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From reb1952 at bellsouth.net  Tue Feb 27 17:08:41 2007
From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:08:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <004901c75ad4$fcf80df0$0202a8c0@Dads>

Paul can you cut one out of Plexiglas?

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:49 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute


My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear 
plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting as 
the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in 
Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute 
until I can order some and could not find anything.

Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable 
visor on a Sandblast Helmet?

Paul

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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Feb 27 17:00:01 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:00:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <45E4D411.40604@imc-group.com>

Paul,
I order a roll of mylar sheet from McMaster Carr and "re-skin" the glass 
on the cabinet blaster. Very economical. You could do the same for your 
hood.

Food for thought, my hood has a fine wire mesh that protects the glass. 
Yes it cuts some light out, but it sure keeps the glass clear.
Curt

Paul Maples wrote:
> My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>
> Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>   



From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Feb 27 18:13:51 2007
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:13:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F353FEB5A9179AC9FB31130E7810@phx.gbl>

Bill uses regular old "plexy glass", they don't last long, but they are 
easily replacable.  He has been using this as a "lens" for as long as he has 
been sand blasting (about 30 years).

Hope this helps,
Peg Pfeiffer


>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:49:43 -0600
>
>My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear 
>plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting 
>as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store 
>in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a 
>substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>
>Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a 
>replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>
>Paul
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Feb 27 19:14:02 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:14:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <200702280314.l1S3EHYj038299@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:50 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute

My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear
plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting as
the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in
Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute
until I can order some and could not find anything.

Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable
visor on a Sandblast Helmet?

Paul

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Paul, did your helmet have a piece of throw-away plastic over the window?
If so, I get Warp's Flex-o-Glass at our farm supply store and cut it to
size.  It is relatively cheap.  It can be held in place with tape.  I use
Scotch double-stick on my bead blasting cabinet windows.  

If your viewing window didn't have a cover, you can get a replacement
polycarbonate shield at your welding supply store and cut it to size.  After
you've done that, tape a throw-away layer on top of it.

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   






From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 27 19:35:47 2007
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:35:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-F353FEB5A9179AC9FB31130E7810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <192299.10683.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just use a plain old cheapo welding helmet for a sandblast hood, with a
clear lense cut from plexiglass it it. To make the lense last longer, I
cover the bottom half with duct tape. When I can't see through the top
half, I peel the tape off and look through the bottom half.
It is a good idea to wear ear plugs and a good mask. A dust mask is not
enough to catch the fines, a respirator is best. Silicosis is a nasty
disease, and once you realize you aren't bullet proof, it is too late.
Joe


 
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From rwenig at telus.net  Tue Feb 27 17:19:35 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:19:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <45E4D8A7.2040603@telus.net>

Hello Paul,
	Stationary stores in this area carry a clear plastic sheet about that 
thickness. I don't know if it will fit your use but I think it might 
work until a replacement can be obtained. Also, the disposable 
protective sheets from a sand blast cabinet may work.

Rupert

Paul Maples wrote:
> My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010)
> clear plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to
> stop blasting as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I
> went to every store in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that
> would work for a substitute until I can order some and could not find
> anything.
> 
> Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a
> replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
> 
> Paul
> 
> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

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Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Feb 27 19:13:04 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:13:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
Message-ID: <20070227.222048.1176.8.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Paul,

I'm not familiar with what you might have - but - 
Have you tried any of the Moto-Cross Motorcycle places?
They have something similar for racing goggles.


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 00:18:14 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:18:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702280018s3e93076ble8923a0fe1fcfa9d@mail.gmail.com>

On 27/02/07, Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>
> Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>
> Paul
>

Tradename: 'Makrolon' is a hard skinned scratch resistant and
shatterproof product. It may have a different name near you, but all
the big plastic companies have an equivalent.

We only use 6mm thick at the factory, otherwise I'd cut a piece and
send it over.

Peter
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 27 19:20:51 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:20:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <BAY113-F353FEB5A9179AC9FB31130E7810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004e01c75ae7$73bd00a0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Hi Peg,

The inner visor which is sewn into the helmet, and is curved, is perfect and 
not replaceable, it is the sacrificial visor that sits in front of the main 
visor that I am trying to find a quick replacement for until I can get some 
ordered.

Plexiglas is too stiff for the outer sacrificial visor for this helmet.

Good to hear from you.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute


> Bill uses regular old "plexy glass", they don't last long, but they are 
> easily replacable.  He has been using this as a "lens" for as long as he 
> has been sand blasting (about 30 years).
>
> Hope this helps,
> Peg Pfeiffer
>
>
>>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
>>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:49:43 -0600
>>
>>My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear 
>>plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting 
>>as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store 
>>in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a 
>>substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>>
>>Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a 
>>replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Feb 27 17:17:34 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:17:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070227201111.02efdc70@pop3.wcoil.com>

I've used a welding helmet. Most have replaceable lenses, and I removed all 
the lenses and replace them with clear plexi plates cut to size and 
installed to replace the welding lenses then wear a hooded sweatshirt. This 
is a bit warm in the summer but it keeps the sand from getting into your 
hair and other unwanted places.     Mark



At 06:49 PM 2/27/07, you wrote:
>My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear 
>plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting 
>as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store 
>in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a 
>substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>
>Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a 
>replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>
>Paul


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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 00:21:11 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:21:11 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702280018s3e93076ble8923a0fe1fcfa9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<6f6025160702280018s3e93076ble8923a0fe1fcfa9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702280021s6accb56pbffec211c718c77f@mail.gmail.com>

On 28/02/07, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Tradename: 'Makrolon'

http://www.makrolon.com/BMS/DB-RSC/MakrolonCMSR6.nsf/id/home_en

Peter
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 28 04:29:09 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:29:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <200702280314.l1S3EHYj038299@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <003401c75b34$0c1eca80$240110ac@FAMILY>

Good Morning Orrin,

Yes my helmet has a plastic throw away cover over the window and this is 
what I am trying to come up with a replacement for. I have never heard of 
Warp's Flex-O-Glass but we have two farm supply stores in town and I will 
give them a ring this morning.

Thanks for the idea.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:50 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
>
> My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear
> plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting 
> as
> the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in
> Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute
> until I can order some and could not find anything.
>
> Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a 
> replaceable
> visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>
> Paul
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Paul, did your helmet have a piece of throw-away plastic over the window?
> If so, I get Warp's Flex-o-Glass at our farm supply store and cut it to
> size.  It is relatively cheap.  It can be held in place with tape.  I use
> Scotch double-stick on my bead blasting cabinet windows.
>
> If your viewing window didn't have a cover, you can get a replacement
> polycarbonate shield at your welding supply store and cut it to size. 
> After
> you've done that, tape a throw-away layer on top of it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
>
>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 27 19:22:03 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:22:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <20070228022345.444B8627826@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
Message-ID: <005701c75ae7$9e98fcc0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Never heard of it Jim,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute


> Hi Paul,Do you have a"TAP PLASTIC" near you?
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:50 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
> 
>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 27 19:26:51 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:26:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<45E4D411.40604@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <006201c75ae8$4a0dcf40$240110ac@FAMILY>

Curt do you have a part number for the Mylar sheet you order for your 
cabinet? I just recently installed a screen in front of my plastic visor in 
my sandblast cabinet so now I have the aluminum screen, the plastic 
replaceable visor and then the main cabinet glass. I used aluminum screen 
and this cut down very little light, I had tried black screen but this was 
too dark.

Let me know what the part number is of the Mylar you order from McMaster 
Carr and I will order a roll. Francis Maciel had suggested McMaster Carr to 
me in an earlier post also.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute


> Paul,
> I order a roll of mylar sheet from McMaster Carr and "re-skin" the glass 
> on the cabinet blaster. Very economical. You could do the same for your 
> hood.
>
> Food for thought, my hood has a fine wire mesh that protects the glass. 
> Yes it cuts some light out, but it sure keeps the glass clear.
> Curt
>
> Paul Maples wrote:
>> My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear 
>> plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting 
>> as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every 
>> store in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a 
>> substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a 
>> replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Feb 28 08:58:15 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:58:15 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <003401c75b34$0c1eca80$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <200702281658.l1SGwRrf029228@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:29 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute

Good Morning Orrin,

Yes my helmet has a plastic throw away cover over the window and this is 
what I am trying to come up with a replacement for. I have never heard of 
Warp's Flex-O-Glass but we have two farm supply stores in town and I will 
give them a ring this morning.

Thanks for the idea.

Paul

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I hope you can find some, Paul, because it is reasonably inexpensive.  I use
it in my bead blast cabinet.  Throw-aways from the manufacturer cost about
$5, each.  Flex-O-Glass and double-stick Scotch tape are but a tiny fraction
of that. 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Feb 28 10:25:34 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:25:34 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <200702281700.l1SH038l012528@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070228195011.00aadb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 28/02/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:49:43 -0600
>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
>
>My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear 
>plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting 
>as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store 
>in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a 
>substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a 
>replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>Paul

Hi Paul,
         This question cropped up previously. My previous business was a 
plastic supply house and we supplied a lot of material for sandblasting 
cabinets as well as goggles.

         Quite a few people have mentioned "Plexiglas". Plexiglas is a 
trade name for acrylic sheet (polymethylmethacrylate or PMMA)  (I cannot 
remember who's but it may be Rohm & Haas) and is the same material as 
"Perspex" (which is I.C.I's trade name).  Although this does work, it is 
not the ideal material as it is very hard and scratches very easily.

         We always supplied Polycarbonate (PC) (Peter Forbes mentioned 
Makrolon which is a trade name for polycarbonate as is Lexan). PC is much 
stronger than acrylic but also a bit softer and is better at resisting 
scratches from stuff like sandblast grit. It will also get to the stage 
that it needs replacement but will last longer than acrylic. This was 
available as a .5mm (half a millimetre) sheet that you could cut with a 
good strong pair of scissors or snips and we supplied this for goggles.
         Another material we used to supply for the goggles was rigid P.V.C 
(Polyvinylchloride). The rigid variety used to be called uPVC - the small 
"u" meaning it was unplasticised. I'm not sure if clear rigid uPVC is still 
available but is was available in thinner sheets which could be cut with 
normal scissors. It was used extensively for vacuum forming (like the clear 
plastic blister stapled to a piece of card that holds a product on display 
in a shop). It was not as good as polycarbonate but much cheaper and easier 
to cut.

         Someone mentioned a motorcycle shop - the motocross riders use a 
pair of goggles with tearaway strips over the lens - when they splash 
through mud they rip the next layer off -mud and all. I do not know if they 
would work for sandblasting but it sounds like a good idea.

         After we sold the business in 1986 my partner moved to Fort Smith 
in Arkansas and opened the same type of business there under the same name 
(Mr. Plastic). I do not know where you are in relation to him but he would 
be able to help. His name is Eugene Snyman tel. toll free
877-MrPlastic. I got out of plastics at that time but he is still involved 
and would be able to advise. If anyone does talk to him - Say Hi from Jerry 
in S.A.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com  Wed Feb 28 15:44:11 2007
From: dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:44:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving a Delco Light Plant.
References: <002001c74746$b4b0d8c0$6eaa123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <000c01c75b92$593b2670$6400a8c0@Family>

Hi Folks,

My youngest brother decided that he wanted an engine of his own some time 
ago.  He was looking over Enginads last night and found a small Delco Light 
plant he was interested in located in Pendleton, IN, about 35 miles north of 
Indianapolis.  I called the fellow who had it for sale and my brother agreed 
to buy it.  Is there anyone who might be traveling through or near 
Indianapolis who would be willing to help bring it further east?  I will be 
attending the summer Coolspring show or would be willing to meet someone. 
Thanks.

Sincerely,
Tommy Stojanov 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 28 17:44:05 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:44:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070228195011.00aadb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <011701c75ba3$1911eaf0$240110ac@FAMILY>

I want to thank everyone who wrote in with suggestions for a temporary 
substitute for a sacrificial visor for my sandblast helmet, I got a lot of 
super ideas and I appreciate each and every one of them, many thanks Guys.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:25 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute


>>>Paul
>
> Hi Paul,
>         This question cropped up previously. My previous business was a 
> plastic supply house and we supplied a lot of material for sandblasting 
> cabinets as well as goggles.
>
>         Quite a few people have mentioned "Plexiglas". Plexiglas is a 
> trade name for acrylic sheet (polymethylmethacrylate or PMMA)  (I cannot 
> remember who's but it may be Rohm & Haas) and is the same material as 
> "Perspex" (which is I.C.I's trade name).  Although this does work, it is 
> not the ideal material as it is very hard and scratches very easily.
>
>         We always supplied Polycarbonate (PC) (Peter Forbes mentioned 
> Makrolon which is a trade name for polycarbonate as is Lexan). PC is much 
> stronger than acrylic but also a bit softer and is better at resisting 
> scratches from stuff like sandblast grit. It will also get to the stage 
> that it 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Feb  1 07:41:03 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:41:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
>          It seems as though the SEL will have a turnout at the Zolfo
> (Pioneer Park Days) show. Arnie and I will arrive on Tuesday, Feb, 27th (or
> Monday the 26th if I can talk him into leaving PA a day early!)

Dave:

How far is that drive to Zolfo Springs? ( I assume it is the one in Florida ?)

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Feb  1 08:07:46 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:07:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070201110646.04e77ee8@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:41 AM 2/1/2007, you wrote:
>On 01/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>Hi All,
>>          It seems as though the SEL will have a turnout at the Zolfo
>>(Pioneer Park Days) show. Arnie and I will arrive on Tuesday, Feb, 27th (or
>>Monday the 26th if I can talk him into leaving PA a day early!)
>
>Dave:
>
>How far is that drive to Zolfo Springs? ( I assume it is the one in Florida ?)
>
>Peter

Hi Peter, Just under 1,100 miles (one way) for Arnie and me.
         Dave 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Feb  1 07:43:39 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:43:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702011041460.15692@vegeta.city-net.com>

Sorta depends on where you START FROM Peter.  8-))

Buy 'em books, send 'em to school, and they just chew the covers off...

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Listerdiesel wrote:

> Dave:
>
> How far is that drive to Zolfo Springs? ( I assume it is the one in Florida ?)
>
> Peter A Forbes



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Thu Feb  1 13:22:50 2007
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:22:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net><6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702011041460.15692@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c74647$23c14700$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Arnie,  It would be about twice the distance that it is from the beginning 
to the middle.      George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!


> Sorta depends on where you START FROM Peter.  8-))
>
> Buy 'em books, send 'em to school, and they just chew the covers off...
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Listerdiesel wrote:
>
>> Dave:
>>
>> How far is that drive to Zolfo Springs? ( I assume it is the one in 
>> Florida ?)
>>
>> Peter A Forbes
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Feb  1 13:50:12 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:50:12 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070201110646.04e77ee8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070201110646.04e77ee8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702011350x3ff712f2l39017c0456fd798c@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> At 10:41 AM 2/1/2007, you wrote:
> >On 01/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> >>Hi All,
> >>          It seems as though the SEL will have a turnout at the Zolfo
> >>(Pioneer Park Days) show. Arnie and I will arrive on Tuesday, Feb, 27th (or
> >>Monday the 26th if I can talk him into leaving PA a day early!)
> >
> >Dave:
> >
> >How far is that drive to Zolfo Springs? ( I assume it is the one in Florida ?)
> >
> >Peter
>
> Hi Peter, Just under 1,100 miles (one way) for Arnie and me.
>          Dave
>

Thanks, Dave, that's a decent stretch if you're towing the Astral as
well. Do you work on a couple of days taking turns at driving or will
you go independently?

I'm only curious to see the mileages involved from PA down to Zolfo on
'ordinary' driving roads, rather than 'ideal' computer-based
estimates.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Feb  1 18:06:10 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:06:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702011350x3ff712f2l39017c0456fd798c@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702010741m3ee4bdb5g7191aef14d1c467b@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070201110646.04e77ee8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702011350x3ff712f2l39017c0456fd798c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070201210149.01ea7e38@mail.alltel.net>


>>Hi Peter, Just under 1,100 miles (one way) for Arnie and me.
>>          Dave
>
>Thanks, Dave, that's a decent stretch if you're towing the Astral as
>well. Do you work on a couple of days taking turns at driving or will
>you go independently?
>I'm only curious to see the mileages involved from PA down to Zolfo on
>'ordinary' driving roads, rather than 'ideal' computer-based
>estimates.
>Peter

Hi Peter,
         The trip down will take us about a day and a half. I drive while 
Arnie drinks and then he drives while I drink. We will make about 700 miles 
the first day and the rest the second day. It's almost all 4 lane highways. 
Coming back will take a bit more time since we will be coming north it's 
all up hill!
         Dave 



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Feb  1 18:35:44 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:35:44 EST
Subject: [SEL] - Sattley Status
Message-ID: <c0a.f26e6ba.32f3fd80@aol.com>

Several years ago, I obtained this Sattley hit and  miss engine with a stuck 
piston.  With several excellent  suggestions provided by several list members, 
I was able to remove the  piston using the grease pump method.  Sadly, I put 
this engine aside  and started to work on other projects.  Recently, my son 
started to  inquire about this Sattley.  At that time, I decided to get this 
engine  running.  Well, that day arrived today.  I was able to get the  engine to 
run.
Now that I have the engine running, I found that the mixer  adjustment is 
very sensitive.  After inspecting the needle valve, I  noticed it was some what 
rough.  I fabricated a jig so I could reform the  needle valve 30 degree point 
on my belt grinder.  After this rework  was completed, I was to run the engine 
again.  However, the needle  valve adjustment is still sensitive.  The end of 
the throttle  valve that goes in the intake looks as if it was brazed  closed 
and then a small hole was drilled.  The needle valve point  mates internally 
with this hole.  Is this sensitive needle valve  adjustment condition normal?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, Ca




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Feb  1 23:15:42 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:15:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <000701c74699$f46440e0$0601a8c0@altech>





From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Feb  2 00:43:35 2007
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:43:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000701c74699$f46440e0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <000801c746a6$3b04bc30$dddeecdc@morris>

welcome back


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] test


> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Feb  2 01:51:43 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:51:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000701c74699$f46440e0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<000801c746a6$3b04bc30$dddeecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <000401c746af$befc5ee0$0601a8c0@altech>

I don't think anyone has noticed ;-))
Pete



> welcome back
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:15 PM
> Subject: [SEL] test
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  2 04:28:29 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:28:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Engine Video - Curt - Dave
Message-ID: <BAY129-F11029B512A76477D6405D6C89B0@phx.gbl>

A guy from Harry's page posted this movie from the Portland 2006 show.  I 
noticed a couple of Curt Holland's engines and Dave's Domestic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwugFWcPDBQ

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

_________________________________________________________________
Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy 
Awards?   http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2



From edurand at cybertron.com  Fri Feb  2 06:16:05 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:16:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] - Sattley Status
In-Reply-To: <c0a.f26e6ba.32f3fd80@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEPDFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Francis:

Some engines have really touchy needle valves.  If yours is one of those and the needle and seat are in good shape, you could try decreasing the included angle (make it more pointed).  I've done this on a couple of engines and it works well.

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> FRM8198 at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 08:36 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] - Sattley Status
> 
> 
> Several years ago, I obtained this Sattley hit 
> and  miss engine with a stuck 
> piston.  With several excellent  suggestions 
> provided by several list members, 
> I was able to remove the  piston using the grease 
> pump method.  Sadly, I put 
> this engine aside  and started to work on other 
> projects.  Recently, my son 
> started to  inquire about this Sattley.  At that 
> time, I decided to get this 
> engine  running.  Well, that day arrived today.  
> I was able to get the  engine to 
> run.
> Now that I have the engine running, I found that 
> the mixer  adjustment is 
> very sensitive.  After inspecting the needle 
> valve, I  noticed it was some what 
> rough.  I fabricated a jig so I could reform the  
> needle valve 30 degree point 
> on my belt grinder.  After this rework  was 
> completed, I was to run the engine 
> again.  However, the needle  valve adjustment is 
> still sensitive.  The end of 
> the throttle  valve that goes in the intake looks 
> as if it was brazed  closed 
> and then a small hole was drilled.  The needle 
> valve point  mates internally 
> with this hole.  Is this sensitive needle valve  
> adjustment condition normal?  
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, Ca




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Feb  2 06:42:19 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:42:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] - Sattley Status
Message-ID: <cd9.9b9ee7c.32f4a7cb@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/2/2007 6:33:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edurand at cybertron.com writes:

If yours  is one of those and the needle and seat are in good shape, you 
could try  decreasing the included angle (make it more pointed).  


Elden,
Thanks for the tip.  

Francis




From edurand at cybertron.com  Fri Feb  2 07:21:10 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:21:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] - Sattley Status
In-Reply-To: <cd9.9b9ee7c.32f4a7cb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEPHFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Was that a pun????!!!!       :-\

Take care - Elden

> In a message dated 2/2/2007 6:33:45 A.M. Pacific 
> Standard Time,  
> edurand at cybertron.com writes:
> 
> If yours  is one of those and the needle and seat 
> are in good shape, you 
> could try  decreasing the included angle (make it 
> more pointed).  
> 
> 
> Elden,
> Thanks for the tip.  
> 
> Francis




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Feb  2 07:36:46 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:36:46 EST
Subject: [SEL] - Sattley Status
Message-ID: <c2f.e59fb56.32f4b48e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/2/2007 7:33:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edurand at cybertron.com writes:

Was that  a pun????!!!!  


 Elden,
I am referring to the technical tip.  Now that you bring it to  my attention, 
it can also apply to the solution.   

Francis




From edurand at cybertron.com  Fri Feb  2 11:14:10 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:14:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPLFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Group:

I got the Edwards engine running for the first time today.  More questions than answers!  Take a look here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html

Take care - Elden




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 11:52:37 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:52:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPLFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPLFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145018.04cd2e48@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:14 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Group:
>I got the Edwards engine running for the first time today.  More questions 
>than answers!  Take a look here:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html
>Take care - Elden

Hi Elden,
         Great project and GREAT write-up on it! This should be sent to GEM 
so that others can read and enjoy your efforts. Reading what you wrote and 
seeing the pictures was almost like being there. Thanks!
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 11:55:46 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:55:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	I'll be taking the Austral to Zolfo the end of the month. It starts and 
runs on kerosene. I've never needed kerosene before in FL. Is it as readily 
available there as it is in the north? (ie at almost every gas station?)
	Dave



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Feb  2 12:08:33 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:08:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>

Dave,
Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we 
heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you 
need kero?
Curt
P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi All,
>     I'll be taking the Austral to Zolfo the end of the month. It 
> starts and runs on kerosene. I've never needed kerosene before in FL. 
> Is it as readily available there as it is in the north? (ie at almost 
> every gas station?)
>     Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Feb  2 12:17:13 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:17:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
Message-ID: <20070202.151728.532.1.jlb94@juno.com>

WOW , Eldon,

Great documentation.  

Great Pics.

Some aren't showing up after "New Valve Guide" but the rest are
fantastic.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/   
 (_o_)       "I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it."


From edurand at cybertron.com  Fri Feb  2 12:24:01 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:24:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPOFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Dave:

I'd say it's harder to get here than in frozen Pennsylvania but it's not rare.  Why not run the Austral on #2 Diesel?  It would give you a chance to get in shape.  :-)

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave
> Rotigel
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 01:56 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 	I'll be taking the Austral to Zolfo the end 
> of the month. It starts and 
> runs on kerosene. I've never needed kerosene 
> before in FL. Is it as readily 
> available there as it is in the north? (ie at 
> almost every gas station?)
> 	Dave




From edurand at cybertron.com  Fri Feb  2 12:24:38 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:24:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145018.04cd2e48@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEPOFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Thanks, Brother Dave!

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave
> Rotigel
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 01:53 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> At 02:14 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
> >Group:
> >I got the Edwards engine running for the first 
> time today.  More questions 
> >than answers!  Take a look here:
> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/E
> dwards.html
> >Take care - Elden
> 
> Hi Elden,
>          Great project and GREAT write-up on it! 
> This should be sent to GEM 
> so that others can read and enjoy your efforts. 
> Reading what you wrote and 
> seeing the pictures was almost like being there. Thanks!
>          Dave




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Fri Feb  2 12:32:39 2007
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:32:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPLFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <002401c74709$4bb947e0$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Slick Elden!!!     More info on the Fairbanks move???     George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at cybertron.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff


> Group:
>
> I got the Edwards engine running for the first time today.  More questions 
> than answers!  Take a look here:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html
>
> Take care - Elden
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Feb  2 12:41:28 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:41:28 EST
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
Message-ID: <c24.fe167c1.32f4fbf8@aol.com>

Elden,

What a neat little engine and sure enjoyed reading all the information about 
it and all the effort that you have put into rebuilding and making it run.


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Feb  2 12:48:37 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 07:48:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001501c7470b$8bf5e9b0$0601a8c0@altech>

Forget the Maytag sign Dave, do you have an Aussie Flag flying proudly above 
your Austral ?

Peter, Oz




> Dave,
> Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we 
> heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you need 
> kero?
> Curt
> P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>     I'll be taking the Austral to Zolfo the end of the month. It starts 
>> and runs on kerosene. I've never needed kerosene before in FL. Is it as 
>> readily available there as it is in the north? (ie at almost every gas 
>> station?)
>>     Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Feb  2 12:02:13 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:02:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021459510.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

You obviously missed the Coolspring fall show where the Austral was the
star.  It was even featured in the Coolspring newsletter.

As to the Maytag sign, are you referring to the one that sits next to the
Maytag with the axe in it?

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Curt wrote:

> Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we
> heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you
> need kero?
> Curt
> P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 12:53:32 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:53:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Dave,
>Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we 
>heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you need 
>kero?
>Curt
>P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)

The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where did you 
hear that it would not run?
         Dave
PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the USA) 
there--it will be running!
PS, What MAYTAG sign? 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 13:23:57 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:23:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021459510.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021459510.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202162307.04cefd40@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:02 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Curt,
>
>You obviously missed the Coolspring fall show where the Austral was the
>star.  It was even featured in the Coolspring newsletter.
>See ya,  Arnie

There was also a halfbreed featured as I recall!
         Dave



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 13:26:35 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:26:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <001501c7470b$8bf5e9b0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<001501c7470b$8bf5e9b0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202162425.04cf5cb8@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:48 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Forget the Maytag sign Dave, do you have an Aussie Flag flying proudly 
>above your Austral ?
>
>Peter, Oz

By damn Peter, I had not thought of that! I'll look in my Portland box to 
see if I have one. If not I'll have to buy one and put it in the Austral 
box to fly proudly at all the 2007 shows! THANKS!
         Dave 



From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Feb  2 13:38:59 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:38:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>

A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag that 
runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a supposedly running 
Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by the running Maytag or 
maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and blanket.     Mark

PS: Just couldn't resist
PPS: Really
PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida

At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>Dave,
>>Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we 
>>heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you 
>>need kero?
>>Curt
>>P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>
>The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where did you 
>hear that it would not run?
>         Dave
>PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the USA) 
>there--it will be running!
>PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Feb  2 13:40:58 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:40:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>


>
>PS, What MAYTAG sign?

PPPPS:   The Maytag sign that used to hang on the 12 HP Maytag that you 
used to own. LOL





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 14:04:25 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 22:04:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show PICTURE TIME!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070131182534.04dd2f38@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702021404w72e9cac4me37891dcfa6f16f6@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
>          It seems as though the SEL will have a turnout at the Zolfo
> (Pioneer Park Days) show. Arnie and I will arrive on Tuesday, Feb, 27th (or
> Monday the 26th if I can talk him into leaving PA a day early!)

I hope the tornados aren't repetitive:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6324985.stm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Feb  2 14:17:26 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:17:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
Message-ID: <bea.b075ea3.32f51276@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/2/2007 11:33:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edurand at cybertron.com writes:

I got  the Edwards engine running for the first time today.  More questions 
than  answers!  Take a look here:


Elden,
Thanks for sharing.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, Ca




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Feb  2 13:42:39 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:42:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021641170.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>

Mark,

Is this the Maytag you're thinking of?
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/Big_maytag2.jpg

I think that one belongs to Craig Prucha.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> PPPPS:   The Maytag sign that used to hang on the 12 HP Maytag that you
> used to own. LOL



From edurand at cybertron.com  Fri Feb  2 14:58:05 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:58:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <002401c74709$4bb947e0$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEACFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

George:

Thanks to you and the others for the kudos!  I'll feel that I've earned them if I can get the issues taken care of and get it to run like a fine watch.  From some of the comments, I think the Edwards engines never ran too well and don't know if they can be tweaked within the realm of originality to run superlatively.

I think that, since I can't get in touch with Frank, the power plant moving crews are at the island as we speak, getting the engines and other large machinery ready to move.  Unfortunately, I cannot make the trip and participate in the festivities but Frank has promised to provide a lot of photos and information so I can flesh-out my web page about it.

If you haven't looked in a few weeks, you may find something new at the page:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of armstrong
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 02:33 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> Slick Elden!!!     More info on the Fairbanks 
> move???     George




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Feb  2 15:24:35 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:24:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021641170.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021641170.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070202182139.02f1d240@pop3.wcoil.com>

No No the big Maytag Rotigal had at Portland a few years ago. It was big 
and rusty and had a pair of spoke flywheels and a Maytag decal? on the side 
of the hopper.  I think he may have eradicated all pictures of it since 
then.          TTYL,   Mark

At 04:42 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>Mark,
>
>Is this the Maytag you're thinking of?
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/Big_maytag2.jpg
>
>I think that one belongs to Craig Prucha.  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> > PPPPS:   The Maytag sign that used to hang on the 12 HP Maytag that you
> > used to own. LOL
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Feb  2 15:43:27 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:43:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com>


On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Curt wrote:

> Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA?
> Last we heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case
> why would you need kero?
> Curt
> P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)



Maybe it doesn't like that Pencilbonya Gas Station Kerosene.
Just to show that I'm not all bad, I'll buy it back from you.
Ten cents a pound.

Rob

P.S.
Seriously, fill up the bloody tank at home and stop worrying.  It'll  
run for days.





From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 16:55:55 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:55:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202195512.04cef268@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:40 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:


>>PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>
>PPPPS:   The Maytag sign that used to hang on the 12 HP Maytag that you 
>used to own. LOL

That was/is a 16 HP MAYTAG! And I still own it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 16:57:21 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:57:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021641170.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702021641170.22337@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202195639.04d4c968@mail.alltel.net>

That one of Craig's is a 40 HP MOTOR!
         Dave

At 04:42 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Mark,
>
>Is this the Maytag you're thinking of?
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/Big_maytag2.jpg
>
>I think that one belongs to Craig Prucha.  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> > PPPPS:   The Maytag sign that used to hang on the 12 HP Maytag that you
> > used to own. LOL



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 16:59:11 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:59:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <bea.b075ea3.32f51276@aol.com>
References: <bea.b075ea3.32f51276@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202195756.04d68d00@mail.alltel.net>


>In a message dated 2/2/2007 11:33:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>edurand at cybertron.com writes:
>I got  the Edwards engine running for the first time today.  More questions
>than  answers!  Take a look here:


>Elden,
>Thanks for sharing.
>Francis  Maciel

LIBERALS 'share"--real men SHOW you something!
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 17:34:02 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:34:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Dolly......
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202203213.04d5be78@mail.alltel.net>

......can't you just try harder to get along with these PEACEFUL PEOPLE? 
See: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/02/070202153436.fywopsky.html
	Dave



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 17:56:16 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:56:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202203846.04d5b6e8@mail.alltel.net>


>Maybe it doesn't like that Pencilbonya Gas Station Kerosene.
>Just to show that I'm not all bad, I'll buy it back from you.
>Ten cents a pound.
>Rob
>P.S.
>Seriously, fill up the bloody tank at home and stop worrying.  It'll
>run for days.

Hi Rob,
         I've talked the situation over with Jennie and she says that since 
I only paid eight cents a pound that I should consider taking you up on 
your offer. When I told her, however, that the eight cents a pound that I 
paid you for the engine did not include the cost of transpiration, she 
agreed that your offer is too low!
         I've thought about filling the tank up here in PA, but am a bit 
worried about that much weight in the tank as it bounces all the way to FL. 
Additionally, I will be running the engine 8 hours a day for 5 days (Wed.- 
Sun.) I'm not sure that the kerosene will last that long. I know that I can 
get 8 hours on a gal. of gasoline in the Galloway--but the Austral hits 
about 3 times as often as the Galloway!
         Dave
PS, Peter, a 2' X 3' Australian flag has been ordered. It will fly proudly 
over the Austral at Zolfo and each time thereafter that the engine   goes 
to a show! (Good to have you back, by the way!)
PPS, Now all I need to do is learn how to say G'ay Miss--and to perfect 
that "Australian greeting" that Reg uses on all the cute chicks at      US 
engine shows! 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Feb  2 18:09:38 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 13:09:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202203846.04d5b6e8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001101c74738$5c66f360$0601a8c0@altech>

> PS, Peter, a 2' X 3' Australian flag has been ordered. It will fly proudly 
> over the Austral at Zolfo and each time thereafter that the engine   goes 
> to a show! (Good to have you back, by the way!)
> PPS, Now all I need to do is learn how to say G'ay Miss--and to perfect 
> that "Australian greeting" that Reg uses on all the cute chicks at      US 
> engine shows! Dave


Dave
This should not be the posture after trying to start an Austral
http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/Rotigel.Dave.2.jpg
They start real easy.

Peter, z 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  2 19:26:38 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:26:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Peter...
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>

How far is it to AMSTERDAM? See: 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_fe_st/netherlands_nude_gym_2
	Dave



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Fri Feb  2 19:52:18 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:52:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
Message-ID: <002001c74746$b4b0d8c0$6eaa123f@D8LJ7K91>

Hi Fellers,

I have a 125 pound flywheel and a crankshaft at Craig Prucha's that needs to come my way.  Is there anyone up that way coming  towards southern Indiana or somewhere nearby where that I could meet them?

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb  1 19:30:04 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:30:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Old Iron Express Help
Message-ID: <00dc01c7467a$6e7feb60$240110ac@FAMILY>

Ok Gang I lucked out and found a super set of nice wheels for my cart I am building for my Stover. They are a matched set of round spoke wheels, (2) each 20" in diameter and (2) each 22" in diameter:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCartWheels1.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCartWheels4.jpg

They are located at 5069 Algoma Road, New Franklin, Wisconsin near Green Bay.

I am just checking to see if any of you engine folks near this point will be coming South anywhere soon that might could pick them up and get them a little closer to me, if not I will pursue freight options.

Thanks,

Paul



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Feb  2 20:32:05 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:32:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <001101c74738$5c66f360$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202203846.04d5b6e8@mail.alltel.net>
	<001101c74738$5c66f360$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <048A356B-1B51-4C64-9DDE-3FFC9C75ED15@rustyiron.com>


On Feb 2, 2007, at 6:09 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Dave
> This should not be the posture after trying to start an Austral
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/ 
> Rotigel.Dave.2.jpg
> They start real easy.
>
> Peter, z


Hiya Pete,
That picture isn't from exhaustion, it's from boredom.  Those damned  
Aussie engines -- you pull 'em over once in the morning and there's  
nothing left to do until you shut it off in the afternoon.  Dullest  
damned engine I've ever seen!  Give me a Maytag ANY day!

Rob














From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Fri Feb  2 21:36:49 2007
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:36:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Old Iron Express Help
In-Reply-To: <00dc01c7467a$6e7feb60$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <00dc01c7467a$6e7feb60$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <200702030038732.SM05588@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com>

Paul
Our daughter, Elizabeth, is going to school in Appleton, WI which is 
about 1/2 hour South of Green Bay.  We don't have any trips planned 
just yet but wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make a trip up that 
way in March.   If we do I won't mind hauling them to Evansville for you.
Keith

At 09:30 PM 2/1/2007, you wrote:
>Ok Gang I lucked out and found a super set of nice wheels for my 
>cart I am building for my Stover. They are a matched set of round 
>spoke wheels, (2) each 20" in diameter and (2) each 22" in diameter:
>
>http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCartWheels1.jpg
>http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverCartWheels4.jpg
>
>They are located at 5069 Algoma Road, New Franklin, Wisconsin near Green Bay.
>
>I am just checking to see if any of you engine folks near this point 
>will be coming South anywhere soon that might could pick them up and 
>get them a little closer to me, if not I will pursue freight options.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
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Keith Kinney
Evansville, Indiana  USA
www.HerculesEngines.com 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 23:59:28 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 07:59:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Peter...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702022359p3bb3237bn4ad93c8022f34781@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> How far is it to AMSTERDAM? See:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_fe_st/netherlands_nude_gym_2
>         Dave
>

I think that folks of a certain age like us might find that a bit of a
strain, Dave!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Feb  3 00:22:38 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:22:38 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Dolly...... Now very OT
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202203213.04d5be78@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <00a001c7476c$773ee880$8335c53e@doc>

Dave

For what it's worth, from where I sit, it seems to me that Britain IS moving
towards a police state.  Moving?  Make that running....  Me?  White
umpteenth-generation Brit with French connections in the 17th century.  My
Uncle, decorated three times for bravery, gave his life so that those who
survived him could have a 'free' country to live in.  His charred remains
must be doing 3,600 RPM by now.

I am all for trying to get along, but I am rapidly losing faith in our
system here in the UK.  It disadvantages the law-abiding and decent and
enfranchises the idle and neerdowells.  At the risk of offending, it matters
not a jot to me what colour an individual's skin is, or what deity they
worhsip (or don't).  What IS important is that that individual take
responsibility for their actions and seek to do right by their community.

I think, if you were to ask the average Brit right now, "Do you think the
Law is on your side?", the answer would tend more to No than to Yes.  This
includes us white European immigrants.

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dave Rotigel
> Sent: 03 February 2007 01:34
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Dolly......
> 
> ......can't you just try harder to get along with these 
> PEACEFUL PEOPLE? 
> See: 
> http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/02/070202153436.fywopsky.html
> 	Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Sat Feb  3 00:56:28 2007
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 08:56:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Dolly......
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202203213.04d5be78@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F262F16ED60F7E0FD778CA8D09A0@phx.gbl>

It's an insult to compare the Muslems in England to the Jews in Germany. The 
Jews were not terorist. They have made up for it in Palestine though !!
John

>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Dolly......
>Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:34:02 -0500
>
>......can't you just try harder to get along with these PEACEFUL PEOPLE? 
>See: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/02/070202153436.fywopsky.html
>	Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Feb  3 02:49:10 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:49:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070202203846.04d5b6e8@mail.alltel.net><001101c74738$5c66f360$0601a8c0@altech>
	<048A356B-1B51-4C64-9DDE-3FFC9C75ED15@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c74780$ef9b8040$0601a8c0@altech>

> On Feb 2, 2007, at 6:09 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:
>
>> Dave
>> This should not be the posture after trying to start an Austral
>> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/ 
>> Rotigel.Dave.2.jpg
>> They start real easy.
>>
>> Peter, z
>
>
> Hiya Pete,
> That picture isn't from exhaustion, it's from boredom.  Those damned 
> Aussie engines -- you pull 'em over once in the morning and there's 
> nothing left to do until you shut it off in the afternoon.  Dullest 
> damned engine I've ever seen!  Give me a Maytag ANY day!
>
> Rob



Me too Rob, Kaye's Maytag sits nicely on top on my Austral water hopper, I 
knew it would come in handy.

Pete, Oz 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Feb  3 05:15:35 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 08:15:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Peter...
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702022359p3bb3237bn4ad93c8022f34781@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702022359p3bb3237bn4ad93c8022f34781@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070203081439.04e10438@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:59 AM 2/3/2007, you wrote:
>On 03/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>How far is it to AMSTERDAM? See:
>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_fe_st/netherlands_nude_gym_2
>>         Dave
>
>I think that folks of a certain age like us might find that a bit of a
>strain, Dave!
>Peter

Peter, I just wanted to go to look--NOT to exercise!
         Dave 



From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Feb  3 06:19:40 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 09:19:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202195512.04cef268@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163952.030446e0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202195512.04cef268@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070203091737.02f32bd0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Was/Isn't that a Galloway? The engine with a hunk missing from the 
hopper?   Have fun in Florida.  Mark

That was/is a 16 HP MAYTAG! And I still own it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>         Dave
>_______________________________________________

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb  3 06:30:29 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:30:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Peter...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702030929340.37367@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hey Dave,

Be VERY careful what you wish for.  Ever heard of the "Silver Sneakers"
program?

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> How far is it to AMSTERDAM? See:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_fe_st/netherlands_nude_gym_2



From edurand at cybertron.com  Sat Feb  3 07:28:32 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:28:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs
In-Reply-To: <801750.54783.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEAOFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Joe:

I finally got the power plant manual.  Frank downloaded it and copied it to a CDROM and mailed it to me!  Thanks!  I'm about a third of the way through it and am learning lots of interesting stuff.

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Joe Prindle
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:09 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Free Manuals and Catalogs
> 
> 
> After wasting some money on some real crappy 
> quality reprints from an
> outfit called Jensales, I bought originals and 
> have scanned them and
> placed them here for you to download and use free:
> http://badgersteamandgas.com/joe.htm

....................snip.......................




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb  3 06:49:14 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:49:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <001101c74738$5c66f360$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><F60C3D58-1DB8-4D86-9AF4-2151B4CEED2B@rustyiron.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202203846.04d5b6e8@mail.alltel.net>
	<001101c74738$5c66f360$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702030945090.37367@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

Right engine, but wrong reason.  Ol' Dave is recovering from giving the
"Aussie-style" greeting to the women attracted to the Austral.  Reg taught
him well as to HOW to deliver the greeting, he just failed to get across
the idea that, at Dave's advanced age, he needs to pace himself.  After
all, Reg has been in Oz long enough that he's developed that "Aussie
stamina" but Dave is still 100% Yank.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Peter Lowe wrote:

> > PS, Peter, a 2' X 3' Australian flag has been ordered. It will fly proudly
> > over the Austral at Zolfo and each time thereafter that the engine   goes
> > to a show! (Good to have you back, by the way!)
> > PPS, Now all I need to do is learn how to say G'ay Miss--and to perfect
> > that "Australian greeting" that Reg uses on all the cute chicks at      US
> > engine shows! Dave
>
> Dave
> This should not be the posture after trying to start an Austral
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/Rotigel.Dave.2.jpg
> They start real easy.
> Peter, z



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Feb  3 09:20:58 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:20:58 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Peter...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070203081439.04e10438@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202222536.04d31a90@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702022359p3bb3237bn4ad93c8022f34781@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070203081439.04e10438@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702030920s5e8bfbf9sd771a91cd4bcf9e1@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> At 02:59 AM 2/3/2007, you wrote:
> >On 03/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> >>How far is it to AMSTERDAM? See:
> >>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_fe_st/netherlands_nude_gym_2
> >>         Dave
> >
> >I think that folks of a certain age like us might find that a bit of a
> >strain, Dave!
> >Peter
>
> Peter, I just wanted to go to look--NOT to exercise!
>          Dave
>

Window shopping is no fun....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Feb  2 14:21:29 2007
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:21:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><001501c7470b$8bf5e9b0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202162425.04cf5cb8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c74718$7e932c30$dddeecdc@morris>

Dave

Sydney 2006 my Inter 6 with its flag
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/usa.html

Kerry



>
> By damn Peter, I had not thought of that! I'll look in my Portland box to 
> see if I have one. If not I'll have to buy one and put it in the Austral 
> box to fly proudly at all the 2007 shows! THANKS!
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb  3 12:23:37 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:23:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <000c01c74718$7e932c30$dddeecdc@morris>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><001501c7470b$8bf5e9b0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202162425.04cf5cb8@mail.alltel.net>
	<000c01c74718$7e932c30$dddeecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702031523000.40542@vegeta.city-net.com>

Damn, lookin' GOOD there Kerry!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Kerry wrote:

> Sydney 2006 my Inter 6 with its flag
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/usa.html



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Feb  3 14:36:52 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:36:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <000c01c74718$7e932c30$dddeecdc@morris>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<001501c7470b$8bf5e9b0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202162425.04cf5cb8@mail.alltel.net>
	<000c01c74718$7e932c30$dddeecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070203172904.04e2bec8@mail.alltel.net>

That damn near brings a tear to my eye Kerry! I'll be returning the honor 
at Zolfo and other shows this season. Thanks Mate!
         Dave
PS, Will anyone from OZ be at Portland this year? Kelley and Rob will be 
showing the Austral there, but I'm sure that they would be glad to
         have a REAL Australian helping them!
PPS, What you ask, will Dave, then, be showing at Portland? The PERFECT 
MAYTAG, of course!


At 05:21 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Dave
>
>Sydney 2006 my Inter 6 with its flag
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/usa.html
>
>Kerry
>
>
>
>>
>>By damn Peter, I had not thought of that! I'll look in my Portland box to 
>>see if I have one. If not I'll have to buy one and put it in the Austral 
>>box to fly proudly at all the 2007 shows! THANKS!
>>         Dave



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb  3 17:18:00 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:18:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Old Iron Express Help
References: <00dc01c7467a$6e7feb60$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<200702030038732.SM05588@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <002501c747fa$502b9ca0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Keith. Since posting this request I have learned that DHL can ship 
them to me for about $60.00 which is the way I will probably go and this way 
not have to bother anyone. Thanks for the offer of help.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Old Iron Express Help


> Paul
> Our daughter, Elizabeth, is going to school in Appleton, WI which is about 
> 1/2 hour South of Green Bay.  We don't have any trips planned just yet but 
> wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make a trip up that way in March.   If 
> we do I won't mind hauling them to Evansville for you.
> Keith
>
> 



From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb  3 18:17:16 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 20:17:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Edwards engine
In-Reply-To: <200702031700.l13H05U0007829@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F287657E043240509C4D182CB990@phx.gbl>

Elden, thank you so much for your excellent write-up.  After all the work on 
the engine itself, you put the extra work into showing us all what you and 
Frank have done.  It helps our understanding much more than a quick 
description without all the pictures.

Thaniks again.

Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

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armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
thereafter."
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From dleis at centurytel.net  Sun Feb  4 12:19:43 2007
From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:19:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] swapmeet
Message-ID: <000501c74899$cecdabd0$0601a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

Hi Everyone

      The auction bill is on the BADGER STEAM & GAS ENGINE  web site for the swap meet on may 5th
                                     Stacy 
http://www.badgersteamandgas.com/swapmeet.htm


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Feb  4 13:08:39 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:08:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings 
to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland 
August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees 
and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to 
be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and we 
are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking for 
our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to me 
directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
	So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two 
separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way 
that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
	Dave



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Feb  4 13:46:12 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:46:12 EST
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
Message-ID: <d58.1859fad.32f7ae24@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/4/2007 4:32:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:
The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees 
and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to 
be on a trial basis only. 

Dave,

I have never been to Portland, but will add my .02 worth.  Example is Rough 
and Tumble show at Kinsers, Pa. that I went to for a number of years.  Engine 
folks cleaned and planted trees in their area.  Trees grew.  Engine folks 
cleaned up one end.  Engine folks cleaned up other end.  Tractor folks took over 
one whole end without even asking.  Engine folks were told to keep out campers, 
etc.  Engine folks told to keep out trucks.  Engine folks for the most part 
ran engines all day and where there to answer any spectator questions and talk 
about the great hobby of collecting engines, and had a nice shady area in which 
to do this.  Tractor folks park tractors and walk away.  Engine folks have 
quit going to Kinsers.


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Feb  4 14:10:00 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  4 Feb 2007 17:10:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mystery of Winning on eBay Revealed
Message-ID: <1170627000.45c659b80f151@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

There's a neat FBM "N" model on eBay, but what's AMAZING is that the seller
REVEALED the secret of how to ALWAYS win the eBay auction that you're bidding
on.

Find out more - View this Item
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140079688825

Read the Question for the Seller and the Answer.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Feb  4 14:11:18 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  4 Feb 2007 17:11:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 1947 Fairbanks Morse ZC 3hp with Air Compressor
Message-ID: <1170627078.45c65a061f8a2@webmail.city-net.com>

Neat looking rig...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280076422162

See ya,  Arnie





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Feb  4 14:27:41 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  4 Feb 2007 17:27:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <1170628061.45c65ddd01c53@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

IMHO, it was a dumb experiment.  Put the tractors back out in the flats and let
the engines enjoy the shade.  Most importantly, don't split up the engine area
into multiple sections.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:

> I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings 
> to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland 
> August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees 
> and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to 
> be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and we 
> are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking for 
> our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to me 
> directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
> So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two 
> separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way 
> that will make the show an even better one than it already is?




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Feb  4 14:46:32 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 17:46:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mystery of Winning on eBay Revealed
In-Reply-To: <1170627000.45c659b80f151@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1170627000.45c659b80f151@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204174403.0465ffe0@mail.alltel.net>

At 05:10 PM 2/4/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Folks,
>There's a neat FBM "N" model on eBay, but what's AMAZING is that the seller
>REVEALED the secret of how to ALWAYS win the eBay auction that you're bidding
>on.
>Find out more - View this Item
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140079688825
>Read the Question for the Seller and the Answer.  8-))
>See ya,  Arnie

By Golly Darn Arnie, I'd NEVER have figured that out all by myself! Thanks!
         Dave



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  4 14:57:01 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:57:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
Message-ID: <410-2200720422571843@earthlink.net>

Put it back the way it was, foot traffic was almost non-exisistent in the
new area.  They could put the maytags out there with the tractors as well
since their owners just show up, put them on the ground and leave.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/4/2007 4:37:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> IMHO, it was a dumb experiment.  Put the tractors back out in the flats
and let
> the engines enjoy the shade.  Most importantly, don't split up the engine
area
> into multiple sections.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:
>
> > I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors
meetings 
> > to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the
Portland 
> > August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the
trees 
> > and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were
to 
> > be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place
and we 
> > are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking
for 
> > our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to
me 
> > directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
> > So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in
two 
> > separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other
way 
> > that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  4 15:06:37 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:06:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant Tank & Maytag Lamp on E-bay
Message-ID: <004001c748b1$20440b50$240110ac@FAMILY>

If anyone is interested I just listed a nice coolant tank for a Hit & Miss engine on E-bay 330085046332  

 as well as I just listed a nice Maytag Lamp on E-bay:
      330085090872  


Paul

From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Feb  4 15:06:50 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:06:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <013d01c748b1$28978b60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Dave, here are my views and comments, and the views of a lot of engine folk 
I spoke to, including list and model exhibitors.


"The splitting of the engines exhibitors did two negative things. (This 
applies to the engine folk.)
Firstly, it ruined the getting together of like minded friends, many of whom 
only get to meet once a year.

Many of those who were relocated to the 'New' area commplained to me about 
the lack of viewers through their area. the partial isolation detracted from 
their enjoyment of the event. Indeed, more than one stared they would not 
make the effort to attend in future.

Many of the tractor owners were not impressed with being in the tree area as 
tree dwellers were causing droppings, etc. on their pride and joys.

My personalopinion is that the show is spoiled for me by this change.

The Big engines, ATIS, and all the other engine folk are happier being all 
together in the same grouping. This allows for a lot more 'getting 
together'.
I am sure this must also apply to the tractor owners.

One further point I will make is that this show had become the biggest 
ENGINE show in the world.AND was known  as this, worldwide.NOT the 'biggest 
show' or a major tractor show
The last two years have changed this.
.
I have come halfway round the world to attend four times now.
I do not have the urge at present to come again, the new setup definitely 
detracted from my enjoyment of the event."
 Reg Ingold.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:08 AM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered


> Hi All,
> I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings 
> to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland 
> August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees 
> and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to 
> be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and 
> we are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking 
> for our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or 
> to me directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
> So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two 
> separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way 
> that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Feb  4 15:30:35 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:30:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070204182735.02eaf590@pop3.wcoil.com>

My recomendation would be to put the tractors where the new temporary 
engine area was, leave the steam where they are and put the engines back 
where the new tractor are was.  The engines would be back together and the 
tractors would still have shade.            Mark


At 04:08 PM 2/4/07, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>         I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors 
> meetings to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the 
> Portland August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under 
> the trees and splitting the engine display area into two separated 
> sections) were to be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going 
> to take place and we are being asked for our input. I will forward to the 
> individual asking for our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is 
> sent to the List, or to me directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
>         So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and 
> engines in two separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there 
> some other way that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
>         Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  4 15:43:50 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:43:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
Message-ID: <005701c748b6$529f7c60$240110ac@FAMILY>

If anyone is interested I just listed a nice New Coolant Tank on E-bay:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Hit-Miss-Engine-Cooling-Tank-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085046332QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Also listed a nice Maytag Lamp if anyone is interested:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Maytag-Lamp-Hit-Miss-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085090872QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Paul


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Feb  4 15:44:19 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:44:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <45C66FD3.4080800@scrtc.com>

Dave,
    I liked the old set up better and a few of the tractor guys I know 
seemed to like the old set up better as well.  The wooded area, while it 
provides some shade, doesn't have as thick an undergrowth and the grass 
is rather sparse in patches.  The tractors work up a lot more dust than 
the other area did.  Also, the gent who had the $2000 clear coat finish 
paint job on his H Farmall wasn't too happy when one of the squirrels 
let a nut fall out of the top of one of the trees and it put a nice 
blemish on the tank of that immaculate paint job.  He told me he 
wouldn't have believed it if he hadn't been sitting on the seat when it 
happened.  My vote is for a return to the old set up but I can live with 
either.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



> Hi All,
>     I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors 
> meetings to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at 
> the Portland August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors 
> under the trees and splitting the engine display area into two 
> separated sections) were to be on a trial basis only. Now 
> reconsideration is going to take place and we are being asked for our 
> input. I will forward to the individual asking for our input anything 
> (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to me directly. 
> (rotigel at alltel.net)
>     So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and 
> engines in two separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is 
> there some other way that will make the show an even better one than 
> it already is?
>     Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From reb at apex.net  Sun Feb  4 16:45:53 2007
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:45:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <005101c748be$fed0ee80$0202a8c0@Dads>

Dave, I would like to see it back the old way myself.  I agree that a lot of
tractor folks park their tractors in the shade and walk off, leaving the
engine displays out in the boiling hot sun.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered


> Hi All,
> I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings
> to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland
> August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees
> and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to
> be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and
we
> are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking for
> our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to me
> directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
> So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two
> separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way
> that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com  Sun Feb  4 17:03:09 2007
From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:03:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <45C6824D.6030509@matthewsfarm.com>

Dave,

    There was decidedly more activity in the engine area than the 
tractor area. I feel spectators who go to see  the activities would be 
better served by being in the shade.  The engine folks would also be in 
the shade.   
    Many tractors were unattended most of the show. 
    I prefer the shade for the engines with them all in one area

Thanks for your efforts.
Bob

<<Bob Matthews>>
  <<NW Ohio>>



Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi All,
>     I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors 
> meetings to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at 
> the Portland August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors 
> under the trees and splitting the engine display area into two 
> separated sections) were to be on a trial basis only.



From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb  4 17:57:47 2007
From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:57:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <005701c748b6$529f7c60$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>

Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on the top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to your suggestions.
   
  Larry.

Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  If anyone is interested I just listed a nice New Coolant Tank on E-bay:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Hit-Miss-Engine-Cooling-Tank-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085046332QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Also listed a nice Maytag Lamp if anyone is interested:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Maytag-Lamp-Hit-Miss-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085090872QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  4 18:39:31 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:39:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
References: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007601c748ce$de30ee40$240110ac@FAMILY>

Larry I have no idea if that would work or not, we will wait and see if the 
Big Boys chime in.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Anger" <junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay


> Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on the 
> top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to your 
> suggestions.
>
>  Larry.
>
> Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>  If anyone is interested I just listed a nice New Coolant Tank on E-bay:
>
> 



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Feb  4 18:42:00 2007
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:42:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
References: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003701c748cf$3b1bdb60$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Larry,
   I would say yes.  Our 15 Hp Reid runs cooler than our 22 1/2 Bessemer and 
both have a thermosyphon setups.  A screen helps a lot ; our Patton runs 
quite cool with a screen.      George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Anger" <junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay


> Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on the 
> top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to your 
> suggestions.
>
>  Larry.
>
> Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>  If anyone is interested I just listed a nice New Coolant Tank on E-bay:
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Hit-Miss-Engine-Cooling-Tank-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085046332QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Also listed a nice Maytag Lamp if anyone is interested:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Maytag-Lamp-Hit-Miss-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085090872QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Paul
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From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb  4 19:09:33 2007
From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:09:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <719985.37117.qm@web51404.mail.yahoo.com>

Paul - Do you go to Coolspring or portland shows. I would have to get this tank to Canada and I'm thinking about going to the shows this year. I haven't been for a couple of years. If you go to either show could I get you to bring it that far?? Larry.

Larry Anger <junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca> wrote:  Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on the top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to your suggestions.

Larry.

Paul Maples 
wrote:
If anyone is interested I just listed a nice New Coolant Tank on E-bay:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Hit-Miss-Engine-Cooling-Tank-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085046332QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Also listed a nice Maytag Lamp if anyone is interested:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Maytag-Lamp-Hit-Miss-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085090872QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Feb  4 19:17:29 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:17:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <003701c748cf$3b1bdb60$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
References: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>
	<003701c748cf$3b1bdb60$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
Message-ID: <45C6A1C9.8050709@scrtc.com>

Larry,
    I think it would work as long as you're just running the engine.  
The size tank that Paul has would hold probably 15 gallons full, 
probably 10 to 12 in a working capacity.  The water jacket on your 
engine will probably hold about 7 to 10 gallons so the tank would allow 
twice the capacity of your jacket.  I think the primary issue would be 
the size of the tank in comparison to your 20 HP Reid.  I bid on Paul's 
tank and I thought I might try to use it on a 6 HP engine.  But, it 
might work well for what you need also.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Larry,
>   I would say yes.  Our 15 Hp Reid runs cooler than our 22 1/2 
> Bessemer and both have a thermosyphon setups.  A screen helps a lot ; 
> our Patton runs quite cool with a screen.      George
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" 
> <junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
>
>
>> Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on 
>> the top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to 
>> your suggestions.
>>
>>  Larry.
>>



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Sun Feb  4 19:32:08 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:32:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001501c748d6$388e0060$feb0123f@D8LJ7K91>

Dave,

As a 34 year veteran of the Portland show,  I think the change in the engine 
exhibit area was a BIG mistake.  Not only does it break up the continuity, 
it almost strands some of the exhibitors in the north area.  It was 
certainly dishartening to many of those who had to exhibit out there and I 
am wondering if some of them will come back.

 Many tractors just sit there lonely without anyone looking at them or 
tending to them.  I usually walk through and look at the tractors, but I 
don't care where they are.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered


> Hi All,
> I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings 
> to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland 
> August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees 
> and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to 
> be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and 
> we are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking 
> for our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or 
> to me directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
> So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two 
> separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way 
> that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
> Dave
>
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From reb at apex.net  Sun Feb  4 19:56:36 2007
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:56:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
References: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001101c748d9$a270c0f0$0202a8c0@Dads>

Larry I use a wooden whiskey barrel for my 15 Reid with a screen on top of
the barrel, it will run all day with this setup. If I remember right it runs
about 160-170 degrees with this setup.

Dick Bauer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Anger" <junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay


> Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on the
top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to your
suggestions.
>
>   Larry.
>
> Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   If anyone is interested I just listed a nice New Coolant Tank on E-bay:
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Hit-Miss-Engine-Cooling-Tank-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085046332QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Also listed a nice Maytag Lamp if anyone is interested:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Maytag-Lamp-Hit-Miss-Antique-Engine_W0QQitemZ330085090872QQihZ014QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Paul
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From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb  4 20:05:18 2007
From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 23:05:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <45C6A1C9.8050709@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <27761.98272.qm@web51412.mail.yahoo.com>

Tommy - I saw that you had bid on the tank. It is probably too short a tank for a 20HP Reid to look proportioned. Also getting the tank shipped would cost more than the tank is worth if I had to ship across the border. I'll not bid on it Tommy. Probably a tank which would hold 25 or 30 gal. would look better on my engine and would be sure to have adaquate cooling capabilities.
  Larry.

Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
  Larry,
I think it would work as long as you're just running the engine. 
The size tank that Paul has would hold probably 15 gallons full, 
probably 10 to 12 in a working capacity. The water jacket on your 
engine will probably hold about 7 to 10 gallons so the tank would allow 
twice the capacity of your jacket. I think the primary issue would be 
the size of the tank in comparison to your 20 HP Reid. I bid on Paul's 
tank and I thought I might try to use it on a 6 HP engine. But, it 
might work well for what you need also.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Larry,
> I would say yes. Our 15 Hp Reid runs cooler than our 22 1/2 
> Bessemer and both have a thermosyphon setups. A screen helps a lot ; 
> our Patton runs quite cool with a screen. George
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" 
> 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
>
>
>> Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on 
>> the top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to 
>> your suggestions.
>>
>> Larry.
>>

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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  4 20:10:20 2007
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:10:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <395716.41539.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Dave,
When I was at Portland  in 2005, it seemed like such a shame to have the
engines (and engine folks) out in the hot sun while unattended tractors
parked in the shade.
When we moved to our own grounds, we had engine display area in the woods
and also some out in the open, without shade. The shaded areas were much
more popular and the open area has since been taken over by tractor folks.
For the folks who are on the list and have not been to Portland, I want to
tell you that it is worth the trip. I had not been there in years and
showed up with an engine and an old gummer. Dave, Arnie, Steve Barr and
the other SEL folks sure made us feel welcome. So many folks to visit
with, so many nice things to see. My buddy still comments that the best
looking gals at the show were in the SEL area. Of course, being married, I
didn't notice....
Joe


 
--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 	I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors
> meetings 
> to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the
> Portland 
> August show.

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA


 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Feb  4 20:23:55 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 23:23:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <001101c748d9$a270c0f0$0202a8c0@Dads>
References: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>
	<001101c748d9$a270c0f0$0202a8c0@Dads>
Message-ID: <45C6B15B.10103@scrtc.com>

Dickie,
    You bring up a good point.  If anyone needs a whiskey barrel, I 
think I can help them out.  We make a lot of that stuff around here 
(legally too!).  There is a cooperage near me that makes new ones or I 
can get those that have aged for 8 years or so full of whiskey.  The 
ones that have been aged have been charred on the inside but the new 
ones wouldn't be.  I got a used one a few years ago for an engine 
project and sandblasted the interior to remove as much of the char as 
possible.  I think the new barrels run about $200.  The used ones are 
around $25 I think (sorry, they're empty).

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Larry I use a wooden whiskey barrel for my 15 Reid with a screen on top of
>the barrel, it will run all day with this setup. If I remember right it runs
>about 160-170 degrees with this setup.
>
>Dick Bauer
>
>
>  
>
>
>  
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Feb  4 21:09:45 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:09:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <27761.98272.qm@web51412.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <27761.98272.qm@web51412.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45C6BC19.5060709@scrtc.com>

Larry,  
    If it will work, please bid on it.  I think as long as you had a 
circulating pump with a screen on top, you could make it work for the 
Reid.  I used to have a gent near me who was one of the old time sheet 
metal workers.  He would use the big rivets to put the tanks together 
and then put a heavy solder seam to seal them up.  But, he retired and 
there's no one around to do that sort of work now.  Here is the type 
tanks he would make for me.  This one he made for my 4 HP Callahan.  I 
still have the bill on it, $28.  Boy, I wished he was still in 
business!  I would bet this tank would cost over $100 to have someone 
else make it now.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=75272337

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=75272338&f=0

Here is the one he made for the Miami.  It was bigger than the Callahan 
tank and he charged me $40 for it.  You can see the heavy rivets at the 
seam in the back.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31374063&p=70276004

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Larry Anger wrote:

>Tommy - I saw that you had bid on the tank. It is probably too short a tank for a 20HP Reid to look proportioned. Also getting the tank shipped would cost more than the tank is worth if I had to ship across the border. I'll not bid on it Tommy. Probably a tank which would hold 25 or 30 gal. would look better on my engine and would be sure to have adaquate cooling capabilities.
>  Larry.
>
>Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
>  Larry,
>I think it would work as long as you're just running the engine. 
>The size tank that Paul has would hold probably 15 gallons full, 
>probably 10 to 12 in a working capacity. The water jacket on your 
>engine will probably hold about 7 to 10 gallons so the tank would allow 
>twice the capacity of your jacket. I think the primary issue would be 
>the size of the tank in comparison to your 20 HP Reid. I bid on Paul's 
>tank and I thought I might try to use it on a 6 HP engine. But, it 
>might work well for what you need also.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>  
>
>>Larry,
>>I would say yes. Our 15 Hp Reid runs cooler than our 22 1/2 
>>Bessemer and both have a thermosyphon setups. A screen helps a lot ; 
>>our Patton runs quite cool with a screen. George
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" 
>>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
>>Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:57 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Paul or any one else on the list - Would this tank with a screen on 
>>>the top like an IHC setup be enough to cool a 20HP Reid?? I'm open to 
>>>your suggestions.
>>>
>>>Larry.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>
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From ironman1962 at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  4 21:13:16 2007
From: ironman1962 at earthlink.net (Kevin)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 23:13:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re Transport
References: <27761.98272.qm@web51412.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01f001c748e4$5ab8c3b0$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>

Hello yall,
 Yesterday Richard and I had a nice conversation, on the phone. Nice fella
And I am buying an engine from his collection, and am wandering about any 
list members would be in the.  Cold springs area of PA heading west 
southwest towards western KY tennesee southern missouri, or any where in 
this general direction.
That could help if only a couple hundred miles
. The engine weighs I say good guess,
250 # and can be moved around by one person. I belive Richard said loading 
would be no problem. I will have to get back with him about all that. There 
is no hurry on this. If anyone can help I will make it worth your time out 
of the way and gas.
Thanks
ironman
Kevin Mosier
279-388-4052 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 00:11:53 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:11:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702050011g6cd716fdmce58ae567ea78c7d@mail.gmail.com>

On 04/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
>         I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings
> to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland
> August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees
> and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to
> be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and we
> are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking for
> our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to me
> directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
>         So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two
> separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way
> that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
>         Dave
>

Much prefer the old arrangement, fortunately we missed the changes last year!

Peter
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Mon Feb  5 00:50:57 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:50:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 6 HP Famous
Message-ID: <007801c74902$c183c8b0$0707eedc@fred>

I had a visit from an engine collector t`day who is selling a 6 HP Inter Famous, if any one is interested email  me and I will send you his details
Engine is TOTALLY restored including rebore ,new piston repaint,eng.is in 1st class condition. located Glen Waverley Vic.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03)97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
Web Site
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/


From oldengines at bigpond.com  Mon Feb  5 02:50:29 2007
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:50:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] off topic ihc 2 1/2 4 trade 
Message-ID: <004e01c74913$73b07960$1c02a8c0@ronliz>

Hi all this will probably only suit Aust. members
Have a 2 1/2hp hopper famous with the harder to find flat bar webster engine is running ,
chasing side shaft or maybe larger type engine other engine does not have to run.
ph.0412901008 bh
0246842243 ah
please check the link Ron & Liz

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc06/cc061064.JPG


From oldengines at bigpond.com  Mon Feb  5 03:05:41 2007
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:05:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] off topic ihc 2 1/2 4 trade
Message-ID: <006d01c74915$931423e0$1c02a8c0@ronliz>

Hi all this will probably only suit Aust. members
Have a 2 1/2hp hopper famous with the harder to find flat bar webster engine is running ,
chasing side shaft or maybe larger type engine other engine does not have to run.
ph.0412901008 bh
0246842243 ah
please check the link Ron & Liz

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc06/cc061064.JPG


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb  5 06:31:29 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:31:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145018.04cd2e48@mail.alltel.net>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPLFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202145018.04cd2e48@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: 45C73FC1.7050806@scrtc.com

Elden,
    I agree with Dave.  Great write up and photos along with some great 
work.  You should definately send this in to GEM as it would make a 
great article.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



> At 02:14 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>
>> Group:
>> I got the Edwards engine running for the first time today.  More 
>> questions than answers!  Take a look here:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Edwards.html
>> Take care - Elden
>
>
> Hi Elden,
>         Great project and GREAT write-up on it! This should be sent to 
> GEM so that others can read and enjoy your efforts. Reading what you 
> wrote and seeing the pictures was almost like being there. Thanks!
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Feb  5 06:45:45 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:45:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPLFEAA.edurand@cybertron.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070202145018.04cd2e48@mail.alltel.net>
	45C73FC1.7050806@scrtc.com
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV34A0C7DA809CCBED23ADABB980@phx.gbl>

Elden, do you have Edwards' full name??  Also, there's one up here in Skips' 
neck of the woods.  He said it's a crappy runner.

RickinMt. 



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Feb  5 06:56:18 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:56:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>

Mark,
Glad someone understood that I was just funning Dave. And yes the Maytag 
sign I was referencing was the sign he used to hang on the side of the 
hopper of his 12HP Hercules.
Poor old guy's memory isn't what is used to be :-)
Curt
P.S. REALLY looking forward to seeing your Austral at Zolfo, Dave.


Mark Shulaw wrote:

> A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag 
> that runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a 
> supposedly running Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by 
> the running Maytag or maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and 
> blanket.     Mark
>
> PS: Just couldn't resist
> PPS: Really
> PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida
>
> At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>
>> At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>
>>> Dave,
>>> Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last 
>>> we heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would 
>>> you need kero?
>>> Curt
>>> P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>>
>>
>> The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where 
>> did you hear that it would not run?
>>         Dave
>> PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the USA) 
>> there--it will be running!
>> PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>> _______________________________________________
>



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  5 07:05:23 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:05:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070204154814.0459ca18@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>

I think the reason the tractors were moved was so that they could be closer 
to the field for plowing, etc. You can't have the tractors driving from the 
old tractor area over to the field area through all the spectators. That's 
not very safe.

Using this picture for a reference this is what I think would work:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/portland/portlandlayout.jpg

I think the engines should be placed back under the trees where they were 
before. All the tractors could be placed to the east end of the grounds. 
Room could be made for them by placing some of the parts area where the new 
engine area is. This would allow all the tractors acess to the field, 
engines to be together and under the trees, and the entire north portion of 
the grounds would be for selling stuff.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

========================

>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
>Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:08:39 -0500
>
>Hi All,
>	I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors meetings 
>to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the Portland 
>August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under the trees 
>and splitting the engine display area into two separated sections) were to 
>be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going to take place and we 
>are being asked for our input. I will forward to the individual asking for 
>our input anything (good, bad, or ugly) that is sent to the List, or to me 
>directly. (rotigel at alltel.net)
>	So what is it? Do you like the tractors under the trees and engines in two 
>separate areas, or was the old set up better? Or is there some other way 
>that will make the show an even better one than it already is?
>	Dave
>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Feb  5 06:58:45 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:58:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
Message-ID: <20070205.100102.548.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Dave,

I didn't like the idea of having two sections for engines.
Mainly because I was looking for a certain person's display and didn't
know 
it was in the "other" area.  Lots of walking to find nothing.

As for the tractors being in the trees - Where were all the operators ?
Most of the tractors were parked & left idle.

Engine people stay with their display and answer questions the public may
have.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/   
(_o_)       "I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it."
  


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Feb  5 07:49:11 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:49:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>

GRINNN, Yah you would think he'd remember the Maytag sign that mysteriously 
showed up to truely display the true brand of the engines he loves to 
collect but has to keep the secret by having large engines.
Or is it the compensation factor involved here. Something large to make up 
for something else.
   Think his memory has been tainted by all the shim stock hes been making 
since his retirement?  Mark


At 09:56 AM 2/5/07, you wrote:
>Mark,
>Glad someone understood that I was just funning Dave. And yes the Maytag 
>sign I was referencing was the sign he used to hang on the side of the 
>hopper of his 12HP Hercules.
>Poor old guy's memory isn't what is used to be :-)
>Curt
>P.S. REALLY looking forward to seeing your Austral at Zolfo, Dave.
>
>
>Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
>>A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag that 
>>runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a supposedly 
>>running Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by the running 
>>Maytag or maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and blanket.     Mark
>>
>>PS: Just couldn't resist
>>PPS: Really
>>PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida
>>
>>At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>>
>>>At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dave,
>>>>Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we 
>>>>heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you 
>>>>need kero?
>>>>Curt
>>>>P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where did 
>>>you hear that it would not run?
>>>         Dave
>>>PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the USA) 
>>>there--it will be running!
>>>PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>>>_______________________________________________
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Home #419.358.5206
Verizon Cell
#419.516.2996 Mark
#330.475.4450 Christine 




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Feb  5 08:11:00 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:11:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <45C75714.2090201@imc-group.com>

Luke,
Using the aerial photo you posted are you saying that the feature 
tractors could be place just above the area marked "threshing". This 
would be one of the recently expanded parts areas. I think you have an 
excellent suggestion!
Not only did I hear the engine folks complaining about the current split 
of the engine areas, I heard many spectators express dissatisfaction 
with the arrangement too.
Curt

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> I think the reason the tractors were moved was so that they could be 
> closer to the field for plowing, etc. You can't have the tractors 
> driving from the old tractor area over to the field area through all 
> the spectators. That's not very safe.
>
> Using this picture for a reference this is what I think would work:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/portland/portlandlayout.jpg
>
> I think the engines should be placed back under the trees where they 
> were before. All the tractors could be placed to the east end of the 
> grounds. Room could be made for them by placing some of the parts area 
> where the new engine area is. This would allow all the tractors acess 
> to the field, engines to be together and under the trees, and the 
> entire north portion of the grounds would be for selling stuff.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>



From edurand at cybertron.com  Mon Feb  5 08:17:08 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:17:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: 45C73FC1.7050806@scrtc.com
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGECLFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Tommy:

That's a possibility but first, I'm working on something else for them.

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 08:31 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> Elden,
>     I agree with Dave.  Great write up and photos 
> along with some great 
> work.  You should definately send this in to GEM 
> as it would make a 
> great article.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> > At 02:14 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
> >
> >> Group:
> >> I got the Edwards engine running for the first 
> time today.  More 
> >> questions than answers!  Take a look here:
> >> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Edwards/Ed
> wards.html
> >> Take care - Elden
> >
> >
> > Hi Elden,
> >         Great project and GREAT write-up on it! 
> This should be sent to 
> > GEM so that others can read and enjoy your 
> efforts. Reading what you 
> > wrote and seeing the pictures was almost like 
> being there. Thanks!
> >         Dave
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From edurand at cybertron.com  Mon Feb  5 08:20:46 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:20:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV34A0C7DA809CCBED23ADABB980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKECLFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Rick:

His full name was Albert York Edwards and I agree with Skip.  So far, at least, it's a snorting, popping, missing, farting and otherwise very irritating runner.  I hope to fix that with a mag rewind and some careful work on the fuel sloshing (for lack of a better word) system.

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 08:46 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> Elden, do you have Edwards' full name??  Also, 
> there's one up here in Skips' 
> neck of the woods.  He said it's a crappy runner.
> 
> RickinMt. 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Feb  5 08:31:00 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:31:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <45C75BC4.50407@imc-group.com>

Mark,
Truth is Dave is moving to larger and larger engines in a "Trojan Horse" 
scheme he has cooked up. The water hoppers on the 12 HP Herc and 16 HP 
Galloway are large enough that pesky little Maytags can be placed inside 
them and they can be snuck into shows. Once admitted to the grounds by 
unsuspecting gate superintendents, he unleashes the little coughing, 
smokey terrors on his fellow engine enthusiasts and spectators. doG only 
know how many he has tucked in that new Austral. Yah know that story he 
was making up about not wanting to travel with kero in the fuel tank? 
Ohhhh..... that's so he can hide yet another Maytag somewhere. The show 
organizers of Zolfo need to be forewarned of this menace before another 
environmental nightmare occurs in south central Florida.
Curt


Mark Shulaw wrote:

> GRINNN, Yah you would think he'd remember the Maytag sign that 
> mysteriously showed up to truely display the true brand of the engines 
> he loves to collect but has to keep the secret by having large engines.
> Or is it the compensation factor involved here. Something large to 
> make up for something else.
>   Think his memory has been tainted by all the shim stock hes been 
> making since his retirement?  Mark
>
>
> At 09:56 AM 2/5/07, you wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>> Glad someone understood that I was just funning Dave. And yes the 
>> Maytag sign I was referencing was the sign he used to hang on the 
>> side of the hopper of his 12HP Hercules.
>> Poor old guy's memory isn't what is used to be :-)
>> Curt
>> P.S. REALLY looking forward to seeing your Austral at Zolfo, Dave.
>>
>>
>> Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>> A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag 
>>> that runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a 
>>> supposedly running Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by 
>>> the running Maytag or maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and 
>>> blanket.     Mark
>>>
>>> PS: Just couldn't resist
>>> PPS: Really
>>> PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida
>>>
>>> At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dave,
>>>>> Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? 
>>>>> Last we heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case 
>>>>> why would you need kero?
>>>>> Curt
>>>>> P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where 
>>>> did you hear that it would not run?
>>>>         Dave
>>>> PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the 
>>>> USA) there--it will be running!
>>>> PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
> Home #419.358.5206
> Verizon Cell
> #419.516.2996 Mark
> #330.475.4450 Christine
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Feb  5 08:40:45 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:40:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKECLFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV7BC8403A465EBF50CEC09BB980@phx.gbl>

Ok thanks...well Skip didn't say that...the owner did.  You can see it here 
at:


http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1049657943039077051jxLJDf


Anyway..nice job Elden!!

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at cybertron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Edwards stuff


> Rick:
>
> His full name was Albert York Edwards and I agree with Skip.  So far, at 
> least, it's a snorting, popping, missing, farting and otherwise very 
> irritating runner.  I hope to fix that with a mag rewind and some careful 
> work on the fuel sloshing (for lack of a better word) system.
>
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at iglou.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Richard
> > Strobel
> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 08:46 AM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> >
> >
> > Elden, do you have Edwards' full name??  Also,
> > there's one up here in Skips'
> > neck of the woods.  He said it's a crappy runner.
> >
> > RickinMt.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Feb  5 08:42:59 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:42:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKECLFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV12AD1C5FA602E8B73C4708BB980@phx.gbl>

Here's a closeup I thought I had and found:

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1049827223039077051WceiTL


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at cybertron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Edwards stuff


> Rick:
>
> His full name was Albert York Edwards and I agree with Skip.  So far, at 
> least, it's a snorting, popping, missing, farting and otherwise very 
> irritating runner.  I hope to fix that with a mag rewind and some careful 
> work on the fuel sloshing (for lack of a better word) system.
>
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at iglou.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Richard
> > Strobel
> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 08:46 AM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> >
> >
> > Elden, do you have Edwards' full name??  Also,
> > there's one up here in Skips'
> > neck of the woods.  He said it's a crappy runner.
> >
> > RickinMt.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Feb  5 08:53:15 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:53:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702051147000.84614@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Luke,

Are you smoking crack again?  PLOWING???  Get dirt on the tires of those
shiny trailer queens?  I don't think so.  Hell, I'll bet most of 'em have
never even put fluids in 'em.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> I think the reason the tractors were moved was so that they could be closer
> to the field for plowing, etc. You can't have the tractors driving from the
> old tractor area over to the field area through all the spectators. That's
> not very safe.



From oldengin at verizon.net  Mon Feb  5 11:58:52 2007
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:58:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
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>
>
>> Hi All,
>> I've been asked by someone who goes to all the Portland Directors 
>> meetings to get input from SEL members about the new display areas at the 
>> Portland August show. The recent changes (ie putting the tractors under 
>> the trees and splitting the engine display area into two separated 
>> sections) were to be on a trial basis only. Now reconsideration is going 
>> to take place and we are being asked for our input.

Four years ago I was moved from the location with which I had been for the 
past 10 -15 years. I went into the newly expanded area and loved my new 
location and would go back to it in a second! Then we got moved again this 
time into the new area...  I know that I could have set anywhere I wanted to 
as I am in Portland in plenty of time to do so, so this decision to go into 
the new area was "MY" doing. The first year many many people could not even 
find the engins in this area as parking for the vendors was in front of the 
exhibit area. We had no known water access nor anywhere close to obtain 
water or snacks in this area.  (The horse people do not count as I will die 
before supporting any of them.) I spoke that I would give it another year 
with some changes, which some where made, and this was last year. At this 
moment I will be located some where close to where I want or I can pack the 
few old chunks of rust I bring and go back home. See I know that Portland is 
big enough that my leaving will not affect them and I know someone else will 
fill the spot with which I would leave open, But they might miss some of the 
volunteer help I have always tried to provide and that this is what will 
affect the Portland show. I provide my own porta-trees and only ask for 
enough earth to set and run an engin or two or what ever for the length of 
the show, and I go to bed each night praying to get me back to just one more 
"PORTLAND" but maybe I need to change my prayers.        Leroy Clark 



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Feb  5 12:23:08 2007
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:23:08 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
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Reg's comment about the lack of visitors to the remote engine area was 
something we really noticed - it was deserted most of the time!  Possibly 
because  it was so far from all the food and drink stands?????
Also, it was not well signed, and with a big sprawling area such as the 
Portland showground, it would be easy to miss that area of engines 
altogether.  Certainly, it was a long way to go when someone said "Hey did 
you see THAT engine?"
I noticed when we were last there, in 2004, that very few of the engines in 
the far area were running, and many did not have their owners with them - 
maybe they'd gone to get food / see the rest of the engines, which would 
take a lot longer than if the engines were all in the same area.
As everyone else has noted, the tractor owners generally don't stay with 
their exhibits and are not available to talk to visitors, with the notable 
exception of the owners of the John Deere, running on Coke bottles!!!!
In 2004, we were talking to Leroy about the lack of visitors in the far 
area, and he was keeping count, so his comments and figures would be well 
worth passing on to the Portland Directors.
It's good that they are prepared to listen to the comments of exhibitors and 
are willing to make changes to improve the show.

Dolly & Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>

> Many of those who were relocated to the 'New' area commplained to me about 
> the lack of viewers through their area. the partial isolation detracted 
> from their enjoyment of the event. Indeed, more than one stared they would 
> not make the effort to attend in future.
>



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Feb  5 12:35:51 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:35:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
Message-ID: <20070205223693.SM01532@new.databak.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Sorry about this totally off topic post but the list has helped in 
the past. (Dave Croft's name springs to mind - have not seen his name 
lately on the list - I hope you are well Dave).

         I urgently need a good copy of the Logo of the Sentinel Steam 
Lorry to make artwork. I need to make signs for the one just rebuilt by 
Sandstone Heritage Trust (and I've gotta do it in a hurry).
         I've put a small low resolution example here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Sentinellogo.jpg>
but this is too small for me to copy.

         Any help appreciated.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Mon Feb  5 13:05:01 2007
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:05:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Portland Layout
Message-ID: <000e01c74969$4d184b60$0200a8c0@your3126fb4268>

Dave,

The old set-up was much  better for everyone.  All the engines were in one place which helped the spectators and exhibitors.  The tractors provided no working displays and were basically left unattended.  So why did they need the shade anyhow?  There was actually empty space under the trees in the tractor area.  People ended up parking in this area.  If some of the exhibitors didn't have shade, at least some cars and trailers did!

Please feel free to pass this on.

Joe Maurer
toadhill at aeroinc.net


From nick at holden1.net  Mon Feb  5 13:17:09 2007
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:17:09 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
References: <20070205223693.SM01532@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <45C79ED4.000001.05608@YOUR-447023AE6B>

Hi Jerry
This may help you its the best I could find
 
http://www.sentinel-waggons.co.uk/index2a.htm
 
 
 
Nick
Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Jerry Evans
Date: 02/05/07 21:02:55
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
 
Hi Guys,
         Sorry about this totally off topic post but the list has helped in
the past. (Dave Croft's name springs to mind - have not seen his name
lately on the list - I hope you are well Dave).
 
         I urgently need a good copy of the Logo of the Sentinel Steam
Lorry to make artwork. I need to make signs for the one just rebuilt by
Sandstone Heritage Trust (and I've gotta do it in a hurry).
         I've put a small low resolution example here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Sentinellogo.jpg>
but this is too small for me to copy.
 
         Any help appreciated.
 
Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans
 
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Feb  5 13:54:28 2007
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:54:28 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland setup reconsidered
Message-ID: <00a401c74970$37559970$d8abe150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi all,
        Having only attended Portland once in 2004, and reading what everyone is saying.I would say if it aint broke dont try to fix it or it can turn against you.
    Looking forward to meeting many of you again at Portland this year.

Craig in Scotland


From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  5 14:41:35 2007
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:41:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] GARDNER TOOL 
Message-ID: <BAY127-F2FF8F3C67495D13104C46BA980@phx.gbl>

Hi All, i picked up this small tool at a local swap meet on the weekend,it 
is 4in long and fits 1/2in bolt head,it has gardner spayer key on the brass 
plate,the script of the word gardner is identical to the engine script,the 
plate also reads tighten the clamp nuts only if the nuts are screwed up too 
tight the sprayer cannot work properly,hoping some one can tell me what 
engine these were used on,i have posted this question on smokstak aswell 
with a picture attached,cheers Dave

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Feb  5 15:49:00 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:49:00 +1100
Subject: [SEL] GARDNER TOOL 
References: <BAY127-F2FF8F3C67495D13104C46BA980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001301c74980$35ae10b0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi David
I picked up a complete, and in perfect condition, service tool kit for 
Gardiner Tug Boat engine.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/test%20page.htm

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



> Hi All, i picked up this small tool at a local swap meet on the weekend,it 
> is 4in long and fits 1/2in bolt head,it has gardner spayer key on the 
> brass plate,the script of the word gardner is identical to the engine 
> script,the plate also reads tighten the clamp nuts only if the nuts are 
> screwed up too tight the sprayer cannot work properly,hoping some one can 
> tell me what engine these were used on,i have posted this question on 
> smokstak aswell with a picture attached,cheers Dave
>
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From dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com  Mon Feb  5 15:58:34 2007
From: dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:58:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
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Hi Glenn,

I plan on going to Laurel, IN in late June; I think Laurel is a couple 
hundred miles from you.  I would surely have room for your flywheel and 
crankshaft if you'd like to wait unitl then, however I could also bring it 
to Coolspring, PA a couple weeks before then if you plan on going.  Though 
Craig might have room for your parts at that point.  I am assuming you'd 
like to get the parts a bit earlier than that.  Let me know if I can be of 
any help.  Take care.

Sincerely,
Tommy Stojanov

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts


Hi Fellers,

I have a 125 pound flywheel and a crankshaft at Craig Prucha's that needs to 
come my way.  Is there anyone up that way coming  towards southern Indiana 
or somewhere nearby where that I could meet them?

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Feb  5 15:58:29 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:58:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign  
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Hi Curt and Mark,
         I sure as hell hope that whatever you two are smoking is 
good--because you must have consumed a lot of it! To set the record 
straight, George Best delivered my 16 HP Galloway to Portland for me in 
1999. By the time Arnie and I arrived at Portland someone had put a 
magnetic MAYTAG sign on it's hopper. That year a MAYTAG muffler flex pipe 
was also seen coming out of the water hopper of the Galloway. I then 
restored the Galloway (See: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html) 
The next year (2000) I took the restored engine to Portland and put the 
magnetic MAYTAG sign back on it from time to time (See: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Portland_2000/ )
         To the best of my knowledge The magnetic MAYTAG sign has never 
been on the 12 HP TG Hercules that I used to own (I could be wrong about 
this however.) If either of you have pictures I would like to see them.
         I understand from reading that I've done that after smoking 
several joints one's perception of reality and their ability to 
differentiate between red and green is somewhat diminished. In the future 
please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and Galloway engines are RED!
         Dave
PS, In 2003 I put that damn MAYTAG sign on e-bay and got $245.00 for it!


At 10:49 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>GRINNN, Yah you would think he'd remember the Maytag sign that 
>mysteriously showed up to truely display the true brand of the engines he 
>loves to collect but has to keep the secret by having large engines.
>Or is it the compensation factor involved here. Something large to make up 
>for something else.
>   Think his memory has been tainted by all the shim stock hes been making 
> since his retirement?  Mark
>
>
>At 09:56 AM 2/5/07, you wrote:
>>Mark,
>>Glad someone understood that I was just funning Dave. And yes the Maytag 
>>sign I was referencing was the sign he used to hang on the side of the 
>>hopper of his 12HP Hercules.
>>Poor old guy's memory isn't what is used to be :-)
>>Curt
>>P.S. REALLY looking forward to seeing your Austral at Zolfo, Dave.
>>
>>
>>Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>>A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag that 
>>>runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a supposedly 
>>>running Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by the running 
>>>Maytag or maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and blanket.     Mark
>>>
>>>PS: Just couldn't resist
>>>PPS: Really
>>>PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida
>>>
>>>At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Dave,
>>>>>Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last we 
>>>>>heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would you 
>>>>>need kero?
>>>>>Curt
>>>>>P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where did 
>>>>you hear that it would not run?
>>>>         Dave
>>>>PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the USA) 
>>>>there--it will be running!
>>>>PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>>>>_______________________________________________
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>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb  5 16:28:39 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:28:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
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References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>	<6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
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Dave,
    I am going to loan you a copy of a book written by Gatewood 
Galbraith.  Gatewood has run for Governor (three times), Congress, 
Attorney General and Commissioner of Agriculture.  He's run as an 
Independent, Dem. and under the Reform Party's banner.  While he's never 
won, he has run some respectable campaigns as he still has the 
distinction of being the third highest Reform Party vote getter in 
America (Ross Perot was first and Jesse Ventura was second) during his 
'99 run for KY Governor.  He runs on a platform of legalizing 
Marijuana.  I was reading his book the other night and he talks about 
the first time he took LSD.  He said it opened his eyes to the world and 
changed his perspective on life.  He said he began to realize that there 
was some profound unexplained matters on this earth..... like, is yellow 
really the best color for bananas?  There are 10 running for Governor in 
KY this year and the votes will be split wide open.  Depending on how 
many folks out there like to smoke a joint, you never know.  This time 
next year we may be talking about "Governor Gatewood".

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Hi Curt and Mark,
>         I sure as hell hope that whatever you two are smoking is 
> good--because you must have consumed a lot of it! To set the record 
> straight, George Best delivered my 16 HP Galloway to Portland for me 
> in 1999. By the time Arnie and I arrived at Portland someone had put a 
> magnetic MAYTAG sign on it's hopper. That year a MAYTAG muffler flex 
> pipe was also seen coming out of the water hopper of the Galloway. I 
> then restored the Galloway (See: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html) 
> The next year (2000) I took the restored engine to Portland and put 
> the magnetic MAYTAG sign back on it from time to time (See: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Portland_2000/ )
>         To the best of my knowledge The magnetic MAYTAG sign has never 
> been on the 12 HP TG Hercules that I used to own (I could be wrong 
> about this however.) If either of you have pictures I would like to 
> see them.
>         I understand from reading that I've done that after smoking 
> several joints one's perception of reality and their ability to 
> differentiate between red and green is somewhat diminished. In the 
> future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and Galloway 
> engines are RED!
>         Dave
> PS, In 2003 I put that damn MAYTAG sign on e-bay and got $245.00 for it!
>



From clemsweller at etczone.com  Mon Feb  5 16:40:10 2007
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:40:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
In-Reply-To: <010601c74981$8c3857a0$6400a8c0@Family>
Message-ID: <200702051938258.SM02936@chuckPC>

Glenn, If Tommy can get it to Laurel Indiana, I live about 20 miles from
there.  My son lives in Evansville and we get down there a few times.  With
our first Grandbaby coming in July, I am sure we will be getting there much
more often.  That said, If Larry can get it to Laurel, we can hook up and I
can get it on down to you from there.

Chuck Emsweller
Clarksburg, Indiana

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stojanov
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:59 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need help moving parts

Hi Glenn,

I plan on going to Laurel, IN in late June; I think Laurel is a couple 
hundred miles from you.  I would surely have room for your flywheel and 
crankshaft if you'd like to wait unitl then, however I could also bring it 
to Coolspring, PA a couple weeks before then if you plan on going.  Though 
Craig might have room for your parts at that point.  I am assuming you'd 
like to get the parts a bit earlier than that.  Let me know if I can be of 
any help.  Take care.

Sincerely,
Tommy Stojanov

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts


Hi Fellers,

I have a 125 pound flywheel and a crankshaft at Craig Prucha's that needs to

come my way.  Is there anyone up that way coming  towards southern Indiana 
or somewhere nearby where that I could meet them?

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
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From reb at apex.net  Mon Feb  5 17:29:41 2007
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:29:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
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Message-ID: <002201c7498e$468937d0$0202a8c0@Dads>

Tommy,
    The barrels worked out real good for the Reid but on a 15 FBM it is
giving me a fit getting all the charcoal off the inside, it keeps flaking
off and will stop up the supply line after running a couple of days.
     I used the barrels for the added water capacity to aid in cooling which
has worked out good. I bleached the Reid barrel and then power washed it and
then after drying applied polyurethane and a Reid decal.

Dick Bauer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay


> Dickie,
>     You bring up a good point.  If anyone needs a whiskey barrel, I
> think I can help them out.  We make a lot of that stuff around here
> (legally too!).  There is a cooperage near me that makes new ones or I
> can get those that have aged for 8 years or so full of whiskey.  The
> ones that have been aged have been charred on the inside but the new
> ones wouldn't be.  I got a used one a few years ago for an engine
> project and sandblasted the interior to remove as much of the char as
> possible.  I think the new barrels run about $200.  The used ones are
> around $25 I think (sorry, they're empty).
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
> >Larry I use a wooden whiskey barrel for my 15 Reid with a screen on top
of
> >the barrel, it will run all day with this setup. If I remember right it
runs
> >about 160-170 degrees with this setup.
> >
> >Dick Bauer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  5 17:38:55 2007
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:38:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] WEE MCGREGOR DRAG SAW ENGINE HELP
Message-ID: <BAY127-F204CC9E59EA7E7AED36722BA9F0@phx.gbl>

Hi All, i also picked up a wee mcgregor engine built by wee mcgregor saw mfg 
coy ashfield sydney 4hp no207,this i think is a rebadged wade/vaughan drag 
saw engine but please correct me if i am wrong,i would apprieciate some help 
with what the original carby was and the ignition system which i assume is 
battery coil ignition also any other imformation on these nice small engines 
would be of help,cheers Dave

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From edurand at cybertron.com  Mon Feb  5 18:00:14 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:00:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV12AD1C5FA602E8B73C4708BB980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEDFFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Thanks, Rick!

I especially like the colors on that one.  Kinda goes with the runnin'.  I can't make up my mind what is worse!     :-)

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 10:43 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> Here's a closeup I thought I had and found:
> 
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/10498272
> 23039077051WceiTL
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at cybertron.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> > Rick:
> >
> > His full name was Albert York Edwards and I 
> agree with Skip.  So far, at 
> > least, it's a snorting, popping, missing, 
> farting and otherwise very 
> > irritating runner.  I hope to fix that with a 
> mag rewind and some careful 
> > work on the fuel sloshing (for lack of a better 
> word) system.
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> > edurand at iglou.com
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> > >  Behalf Of Richard
> > > Strobel
> > > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 08:46 AM
> > > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> > >
> > >
> > > Elden, do you have Edwards' full name??  Also,
> > > there's one up here in Skips'
> > > neck of the woods.  He said it's a crappy runner.
> > >
> > > RickinMt.
> > >
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb  5 19:26:42 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:26:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings
Message-ID: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>

Just curious, I received an email from an SEL member who told me that 
every time I post to the SEL, they receive the post multiple times.  
I've never had anyone tell me this before and my post only appears once 
in my inbox from the SEL.  If anyone else is getting multiple posts from 
me on the SEL (identical posts on the same subject I should add), let me 
know.   We couldn't figure out if the problem the gent has that 
contacted me is on his end or mine.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From reb at apex.net  Mon Feb  5 19:35:45 2007
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:35:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings
References: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000901c7499f$e3462040$0202a8c0@Dads>

Tommy I'm not getting multiple post from anybody here on SEL.

Dick Bauer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings


> Just curious, I received an email from an SEL member who told me that 
> every time I post to the SEL, they receive the post multiple times.  
> I've never had anyone tell me this before and my post only appears once 
> in my inbox from the SEL.  If anyone else is getting multiple posts from 
> me on the SEL (identical posts on the same subject I should add), let me 
> know.   We couldn't figure out if the problem the gent has that 
> contacted me is on his end or mine.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Mon Feb  5 19:39:44 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:39:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
References: <002001c74746$b4b0d8c0$6eaa123f@D8LJ7K91>
	<010601c74981$8c3857a0$6400a8c0@Family>
Message-ID: <003801c749a0$726d4ff0$86a8123f@D8LJ7K91>

Tommy,

Thanks for your offer.  If nothing else comes along, Craig will bring it to 
Coolspring in June and I will pick it up there.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stojanov" <dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need help moving parts


> Hi Glenn,
>
> I plan on going to Laurel, IN in late June; I think Laurel is a couple 
> hundred miles from you.  I would surely have room for your flywheel and 
> crankshaft if you'd like to wait unitl then, however I could also bring it 
> to Coolspring, PA a couple weeks before then if you plan on going.  Though 
> Craig might have room for your parts at that point.  I am assuming you'd 
> like to get the parts a bit earlier than that.  Let me know if I can be of 
> any help.  Take care.
>
> Sincerely,
> Tommy Stojanov
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
>
>
> Hi Fellers,
>
> I have a 125 pound flywheel and a crankshaft at Craig Prucha's that needs 
> to come my way.  Is there anyone up that way coming  towards southern 
> Indiana or somewhere nearby where that I could meet them?
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Mon Feb  5 19:41:04 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:41:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
References: <200702051938258.SM02936@chuckPC>
Message-ID: <003d01c749a0$a1fdd370$86a8123f@D8LJ7K91>

Chuck,

Thanks for your offer too.  Like I told Tommy, if nothing else, I can pick 
it from Craig at Coolspring in June.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need help moving parts


> Glenn, If Tommy can get it to Laurel Indiana, I live about 20 miles from
> there.  My son lives in Evansville and we get down there a few times. 
> With
> our first Grandbaby coming in July, I am sure we will be getting there 
> much
> more often.  That said, If Larry can get it to Laurel, we can hook up and 
> I
> can get it on down to you from there.
>
> Chuck Emsweller
> Clarksburg, Indiana
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stojanov
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:59 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need help moving parts
>
> Hi Glenn,
>
> I plan on going to Laurel, IN in late June; I think Laurel is a couple
> hundred miles from you.  I would surely have room for your flywheel and
> crankshaft if you'd like to wait unitl then, however I could also bring it
> to Coolspring, PA a couple weeks before then if you plan on going.  Though
> Craig might have room for your parts at that point.  I am assuming you'd
> like to get the parts a bit earlier than that.  Let me know if I can be of
> any help.  Take care.
>
> Sincerely,
> Tommy Stojanov
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
>
>
> Hi Fellers,
>
> I have a 125 pound flywheel and a crankshaft at Craig Prucha's that needs 
> to
>
> come my way.  Is there anyone up that way coming  towards southern Indiana
> or somewhere nearby where that I could meet them?
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Feb  5 19:46:44 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:46:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re Transport
In-Reply-To: <01f001c748e4$5ab8c3b0$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
References: <27761.98272.qm@web51412.mail.yahoo.com>
	<01f001c748e4$5ab8c3b0$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205224453.047d6d30@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Kevin, Where is Cold Springs, PA? I'll be near KY in July.
         Dave

At 12:13 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>Hello yall,
>Yesterday Richard and I had a nice conversation, on the phone. Nice fella
>And I am buying an engine from his collection, and am wandering about any 
>list members would be in the.  Cold springs area of PA heading west 
>southwest towards western KY tennesee southern missouri, or any where in 
>this general direction.
>That could help if only a couple hundred miles
>. The engine weighs I say good guess,
>250 # and can be moved around by one person. I belive Richard said loading 
>would be no problem. I will have to get back with him about all that. 
>There is no hurry on this. If anyone can help I will make it worth your 
>time out of the way and gas.
>Thanks
>ironman
>Kevin Mosier
>279-388-4052



From driggars at wildblue.net  Mon Feb  5 19:50:47 2007
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:50:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings
In-Reply-To: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>
References: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <45C7FB17.6010404@wildblue.net>

Sounds like the problem is more than likely on his end. his ISP?
Clint


Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Just curious, I received an email from an SEL member who told me that 
> every time I post to the SEL, they receive the post multiple times.  
> I've never had anyone tell me this before and my post only appears 
> once in my inbox from the SEL.  If anyone else is getting multiple 
> posts from me on the SEL (identical posts on the same subject I should 
> add), let me know.   We couldn't figure out if the problem the gent 
> has that contacted me is on his end or mine.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Feb  5 19:50:57 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:50:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKECLFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
References: <BAY109-DAV34A0C7DA809CCBED23ADABB980@phx.gbl>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKECLFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205225003.047d1cd0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Elden, What is his name now?
         Dave

At 11:20 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>Rick:
>His full name was Albert York Edwards
>Take care - Elden



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Mon Feb  5 19:57:38 2007
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:57:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings
References: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <00b201c749a2$f2b3d5b0$6983fb40@HP28276676518>

Tommy,

Only got your message once here in the Ozarks.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings


> Just curious, I received an email from an SEL member who told me that 
> every time I post to the SEL, they receive the post multiple times.  I've 
> never had anyone tell me this before and my post only appears once in my 
> inbox from the SEL.  If anyone else is getting multiple posts from me on 
> the SEL (identical posts on the same subject I should add), let me know. 
> We couldn't figure out if the problem the gent has that contacted me is on 
> his end or mine.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  5 17:12:07 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:12:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
References: <893457.94701.qm@web51410.mail.yahoo.com><003701c748cf$3b1bdb60$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
	<45C6A1C9.8050709@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <012901c7498b$d2c276b0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Tommy unless I am wrong, and I probably am, this tank will hold about 50 
gallons of water.


Volume Of A Round Tank

  Please Enter Tank Radius And Tank Water Depth

      Tank Radius In Feet
      Tank Water Depth In Feet









The diameter of this tank is 20" or 1.6' which would make the radius = .8' X 
Depth which is 42" or 3.5'.

Am I calculating this wrong? I know it will hold a lot more than 15 gallons.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay


> Larry,
>    I think it would work as long as you're just running the engine.  The 
> size tank that Paul has would hold probably 15 gallons full, probably 10 
> to 12 in a working capacity.  The water jacket on your engine will 
> probably hold about 7 to 10 gallons so the tank would allow twice the 
> capacity of your jacket.  I think the primary issue would be the size of 
> the tank in comparison to your 20 HP Reid.  I bid on Paul's tank and I 
> thought I might try to use it on a 6 HP engine.  But, it might work well 
> for what you need also.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  5 17:18:05 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:18:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
Message-ID: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>

Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much water will it hold". 

I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.

Paul'


From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Mon Feb  5 18:42:31 2007
From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:42:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702051147000.84614@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
	<BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070205211017.00cd6410@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>

At 11:53 AM 2/5/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Luke,
>
>Are you smoking crack again?  PLOWING???  Get dirt on the tires of those
>shiny trailer queens?  I don't think so.  Hell, I'll bet most of 'em have
>never even put fluids in 'em.
>
>See ya,  Arnie


Yup, Arnie - Plowing.  As a tractor guy I think I might put in a nickles 
worth of input.
I am one of the few tractor guys that RUNS his 'engine with wheels' at 
Portland. I have plowed every year we were able to and ran the buzz saw via 
belt with my tractor all week last year!! (-;  Great fun!!
With the new set up the tractors are out back by the new ground the club 
bought so we can plow and maybe do other things one day. Also it is a 
direct path to the race track for the tractor parade they have started to 
have on Saturday. I would not even try to get to either the plow area or 
the race tack on Friday or Saturday from the old area due to the crowds 
walking in the roadways. The shaded area that was engine land is used only 
by the 'feature 'tractors  of the show. They could be moved out with the 
rest of the tractors in my opinion. The club bought 50 acres out there I 
think - plenty of room. The only part of the shaded area that maybe the 
engine folks might not get back would be a section back by the new tractor 
area that the saw mill could be set up in . That would give a little shade 
to those that want to set and watch the mill in action.
At a 'perfect' show the engines that can't move need shade. The tractors 
that can move ( at least those that have owners like me) need room to play.

Portland's only like 6 months away, I can't wait!!!!  (-;

Maybe I should surprise every and bring an engine along with the tractor 
this year??

- Steve


Steve Sewell
Albany, Ohio USA
sewell at atis.net
sewell at ohio.edu



From ironman1962 at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  5 20:39:01 2007
From: ironman1962 at earthlink.net (Kevin)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:39:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re Transport
References: <27761.98272.qm@web51412.mail.yahoo.com><01f001c748e4$5ab8c3b0$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070205224453.047d6d30@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <016d01c749a8$bdb8b280$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>


Dave.
Where in KY will you be ?
I will find out the address and get back with you.

Kevin Mosier
Eddyville, KY 42038

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re Transport


> Hi Kevin, Where is Cold Springs, PA? I'll be near KY in July.
>         Dave
>
> At 12:13 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>>Hello yall,
>>Yesterday Richard and I had a nice conversation, on the phone. Nice fella
>>And I am buying an engine from his collection, and am wandering about any 
>>list members would be in the.  Cold springs area of PA heading west 
>>southwest towards western KY tennesee southern missouri, or any where in 
>>this general direction.
>>That could help if only a couple hundred miles
>>. The engine weighs I say good guess,
>>250 # and can be moved around by one person. I belive Richard said loading 
>>would be no problem. I will have to get back with him about all that. 
>>There is no hurry on this. If anyone can help I will make it worth your 
>>time out of the way and gas.
>>Thanks
>>ironman
>>Kevin Mosier
>>279-388-4052
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From ironman1962 at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  5 20:42:25 2007
From: ironman1962 at earthlink.net (Kevin)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:42:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings
References: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com> <45C7FB17.6010404@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <017e01c749a9$3573ca30$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>

Only came here one time ?
ironman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clint D" <driggars at wildblue.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Postings


> Sounds like the problem is more than likely on his end. his ISP?
> Clint
> 
> 
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>> Just curious, I received an email from an SEL member who told me that 
>> every time I post to the SEL, they receive the post multiple times.  
>> I've never had anyone tell me this before and my post only appears 
>> once in my inbox from the SEL.  If anyone else is getting multiple 
>> posts from me on the SEL (identical posts on the same subject I should 
>> add), let me know.   We couldn't figure out if the problem the gent 
>> has that contacted me is on his end or mine.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Mon Feb  5 20:57:24 2007
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:57:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <000001c749ab$4f8af310$3464a8c0@Eagle>

57 gallons. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:18 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank

Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much
water will it hold". 

I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank that
is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.

Paul'
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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Mon Feb  5 21:01:49 2007
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:01:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <000101c749ab$ebb03f20$3464a8c0@Eagle>

	pi X radius squared equals area in square inches times height equals
volume in square inches

3.14159 X (10 inches) squared  times 42 inches equals 13195 cubic inches

13195 cubic inches equals about 57 gallons


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:18 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank

Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much
water will it hold". 

I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank that
is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.

Paul'
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From bethell1 at iinet.net.au  Mon Feb  5 21:03:07 2007
From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (Jim Bethell)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:33:07 +1030
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <AA03FC410A1C45FAB8EE0DC9E4C7533E@sa.leukaemia.com>

57 US gallons, found sites on Google that calculate for you when you
enter figures.
Regards
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Maples
Sent: Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:48 am
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank

Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How
much water will it hold". 

I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank
that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.

Paul'
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Feb  5 21:10:27 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue,  6 Feb 2007 00:10:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Portland 2000, Grass, and MAYTAG sign  
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <1170738627.45c80dc3d2a94@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

THANKS for reminding us of Portland 2000.  Flashing through those pics reminded
me that Portland 2000 was one HELLUVA good mischief-filled show.  I'd forgotten
that ALL of that stuff happened during one show.  8-)))

And then there were the Portland 2000 events where your ISP made you take the
pics OFF the website!!  8->>  Definitely one of the better years at Portland.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:

> The next year (2000) I took the restored engine to Portland and put the 
> magnetic MAYTAG sign back on it from time to time (See: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Portland_2000/ )




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb  5 21:11:30 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:11:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <45C80E02.5090508@scrtc.com>

Looks like it would hold around 45 to 50 gallons (I have an 
undergraduate degree in engineering and physics, not math.  But, I have 
a calculator that will do it for me!).   Wow, that baby may be too big 
for my toys.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much water will it hold". 
>
>I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.
>
>Paul'
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb  5 21:21:57 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:21:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <45C81075.4040604@scrtc.com>

Paul,
    I went back and checked to make sure the figure I got (close to 50 
gallons) was correct.  Looks like it is. The tank could potentially hold 
more than this.  But, you're not going to be able to run it at 100% 
capacity (10% of it would slosh out with the engine running) so I used 
90%.  I did a calculation a couple of nights ago and came up with 
something like 15 gallons but looking at the calculator, I think I know 
what I did wrong.  There are two ways to figure volume in a cylindrical 
tank.  One uses the diameter and the other uses the radius.  I think I 
typed in the radius (10 inches) when I should have typed in the 
diameter.  Using the radius gives a volume of 14 gallons.  Using the 
diameter gives a volume of 54 (both of these at 100%).  Didn't realize 
that a few inches could make such a difference.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much water will it hold". 
>
>I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.
>
>Paul'
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Feb  5 21:28:45 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue,  6 Feb 2007 00:28:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20070205211017.00cd6410@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
References: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
	<BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070205211017.00cd6410@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Message-ID: <1170739725.45c8120d09773@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Steve,

Yep, I've watched you and your buds playing in the dirt and it does my heart
good to see it.  I've even learned a few things watching the plowing and asking
someone "why is he doing THAT"?  AND I'll bet you dinner that your tractor
doesn't look like one of those trailer queens that's "ruined" when a squirrel
drops an acorn on it either.  8-))

One change that they made at Portland that I think was GREAT was doing the
plowing area.  I wasn't even aware they had started a parade.  That's great
too!!

As to your Portland 2007 plans, hell yes bring that engine!!  You know where the
gang will be if you want to set up among friends who will keep your engine
running while you plow.  You can even teach me more about plowing.  Who knows,
one year I might even show up at Portland with a red machine on my trailer with
the engines.  

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting steve sewell <sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu>:

> Yup, Arnie - Plowing.  As a tractor guy I think I might put in a nickles 
> worth of input.
> I am one of the few tractor guys that RUNS his 'engine with wheels' at 
> Portland. I have plowed every year we were able to and ran the buzz saw via 
> belt with my tractor all week last year!! (-;  Great fun!!
> With the new set up the tractors are out back by the new ground the club 
> bought so we can plow and maybe do other things one day. Also it is a 
> direct path to the race track for the tractor parade they have started to 
> have on Saturday. 




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Mon Feb  5 21:36:53 2007
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:36:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <00c801c749b0$d393a990$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Paul,        57.1 gallons   (Pi x 10 x 10 x 42) divided by 231 = 57.1 
gallons            George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank


> Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much 
> water will it hold".
>
> I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank 
> that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.
>
> Paul'
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Feb  5 21:37:15 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:37:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Ballarat Swap Australia
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070206163149.01e186b0@ncable.com.au>

G'day all, Not far away again for the Ballarat Swap Meet. For those 
ozzie members who are thinking of coming along this year then make 
your self noticed at our sites. Our group of 4 list members go 
annually and we have a good gathering and a social sip Friday night. 
You are most welcome to join in. Last year we had about 8 or 9 Sel 
members on the friday. Our sites are No 1656 to 1659. Always a good 
time and you always find some real good S..T to take home!
regards Russell

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 23:09:33 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 07:09:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <1170739725.45c8120d09773@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BAY129-F20B21B584DCFE2D9067E72C8980@phx.gbl>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070205211017.00cd6410@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
	<1170739725.45c8120d09773@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702052309g4f914084o5e923024b3499530@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/02/07, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Steve,

<snipped>

> Who knows,
> one year I might even show up at Portland with a red machine on my trailer with
> the engines.
>
> See ya,  Arnie

The Dark Side beckons.... :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 23:13:22 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 07:13:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Postings
In-Reply-To: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>
References: <45C7F572.4080102@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702052313u521cbf43t6a431d2b8b2dd3e0@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/02/07, Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> Just curious, I received an email from an SEL member who told me that
> every time I post to the SEL, they receive the post multiple times.
> I've never had anyone tell me this before and my post only appears once
> in my inbox from the SEL.  If anyone else is getting multiple posts from
> me on the SEL (identical posts on the same subject I should add), let me
> know.   We couldn't figure out if the problem the gent has that
> contacted me is on his end or mine.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>

There was a similar instance a year or so back, when the person
involved registered on Oldengine.org with his company server address,
not his email address. Then the server mirrored the emails to everyone
else on the List as well as himself.

Might be worth checking to see what his registered email address is on
the SEL list and that it is the same as his email address.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Feb  5 23:49:01 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:49:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <395716.41539.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <395716.41539.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87F46936-EEA3-4B80-9C3E-D1FB9A6E115A@rustyiron.com>



>  My buddy still comments that the best
> looking gals at the show were in the SEL area.

That, Joe, is because the best looking beefcake is in the SEL area.   
We can't HELP but attract the best looking sheilas.  It's a curse,  
but a burden that we must learn to endure.

>  I didn't notice....

That's ok, buddy, it's not like we think you're gay or anything...

Rob







From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Feb  6 00:59:05 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:59:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
References: <395716.41539.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<87F46936-EEA3-4B80-9C3E-D1FB9A6E115A@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <03bd01c749cd$0fc1f040$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Further to, I sure wish the body was up to the eyeballs!!!! VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered


> 
> 
>>  My buddy still comments that the best
>> looking gals at the show were in the SEL area.
> 
> That, Joe, is because the best looking beefcake is in the SEL area.   
> We can't HELP but attract the best looking sheilas.  It's a curse,  
> but a burden that we must learn to endure.
> 
>>  I didn't notice....
> 
> That's ok, buddy, it's not like we think you're gay or anything...
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From clemsweller at etczone.com  Tue Feb  6 02:36:20 2007
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 05:36:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
In-Reply-To: <003d01c749a0$a1fdd370$86a8123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <200702060534690.SM02936@chuckPC>

No problem.  Just let me know if things change.  

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Karch
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 10:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need help moving parts

Chuck,

Thanks for your offer too.  Like I told Tommy, if nothing else, I can pick 
it from Craig at Coolspring in June.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need help moving parts


> Glenn, If Tommy can get it to Laurel Indiana, I live about 20 miles from
> there.  My son lives in Evansville and we get down there a few times. 
> With
> our first Grandbaby coming in July, I am sure we will be getting there 
> much
> more often.  That said, If Larry can get it to Laurel, we can hook up and 
> I
> can get it on down to you from there.
>
> Chuck Emsweller
> Clarksburg, Indiana
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stojanov
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:59 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need help moving parts
>
> Hi Glenn,
>
> I plan on going to Laurel, IN in late June; I think Laurel is a couple
> hundred miles from you.  I would surely have room for your flywheel and
> crankshaft if you'd like to wait unitl then, however I could also bring it
> to Coolspring, PA a couple weeks before then if you plan on going.  Though
> Craig might have room for your parts at that point.  I am assuming you'd
> like to get the parts a bit earlier than that.  Let me know if I can be of
> any help.  Take care.
>
> Sincerely,
> Tommy Stojanov
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Need help moving parts
>
>
> Hi Fellers,
>
> I have a 125 pound flywheel and a crankshaft at Craig Prucha's that needs 
> to
>
> come my way.  Is there anyone up that way coming  towards southern Indiana
> or somewhere nearby where that I could meet them?
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  6 04:03:46 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:03:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Callculating Water Volume in a Tank
Message-ID: <004601c749e6$dbbf46c0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Ok gang thanks to all of you who responded to my inquiry and I now know that the tank I have on sell on E-bay will hold a little over 50 gallons so I can pass this information on to the folks who have written in asking me how much the tank will hold.

Thanks again to everyone.

Paul


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  6 04:32:04 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:32:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <45C75714.2090201@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY129-F178D8BC4C3D9BFB1A3F2BDC89F0@phx.gbl>

That's correct Curt. They could relocate that parts area to the west of the 
trading post.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>
>Luke,
>Using the aerial photo you posted are you saying that the feature tractors 
>could be place just above the area marked "threshing". This would be one of 
>the recently expanded parts areas. I think you have an excellent 
>suggestion!
>Not only did I hear the engine folks complaining about the current split of 
>the engine areas, I heard many spectators express dissatisfaction with the 
>arrangement too.
>Curt
>
>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>
>>I think the reason the tractors were moved was so that they could be 
>>closer to the field for plowing, etc. You can't have the tractors driving 
>>from the old tractor area over to the field area through all the 
>>spectators. That's not very safe.
>>
>>Using this picture for a reference this is what I think would work:
>>
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/portland/portlandlayout.jpg
>>
>>I think the engines should be placed back under the trees where they were 
>>before. All the tractors could be placed to the east end of the grounds. 
>>Room could be made for them by placing some of the parts area where the 
>>new engine area is. This would allow all the tractors acess to the field, 
>>engines to be together and under the trees, and the entire north portion 
>>of the grounds would be for selling stuff.
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>Rockford, Michigan
>>USA

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  6 04:33:53 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:33:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant Tank on E-bay
Message-ID: <007d01c749eb$1138dd30$240110ac@FAMILY>

For you folks who have been writing in and asking me about the tank I have on E-bay for sell here is now what I know about it for sure:

It was custom made for me by John Wanat
It has never been used.
I have had it for about four years.
It is 20" in diameter
It is 42" in height
It will hold 57 gallons of water when full
It weighs approximately 17 pounds (light for it's size)
It is 8-3/4" from the top down to the center of the first hole (inlet hole)
It has 1" pipe fittings at top and bottom.
It is located in zip code 72143 (Searcy, Arkansas)
According to a friend of mine DHL Freight Cost is about $.50/pound from Wisconsin, I am having a set of 130 pound wheels shipped to me for $68.00 from Wisconsin. Just something for consideration.

Hopefully this will help those of you who were wanting to know more about the tank.


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  6 05:08:12 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:08:12 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY129-F3968349788B7EC888029F8C89F0@phx.gbl>

....and some Economy engines are green, right Dave :-)

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=============================

>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>
>In the future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and Galloway 
>engines are RED!
>         Dave
>

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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  6 05:11:36 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:11:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <45C81075.4040604@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY129-F17FF0DD9E8BEE33F914ACBC89F0@phx.gbl>

Some ladies say that it doesn't, but they aren't telling the truth.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

====================

>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>
>Didn't realize that a few inches could make such a difference.....
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

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From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net  Tue Feb  6 05:13:34 2007
From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:13:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolant Tank on E-bay
References: <007d01c749eb$1138dd30$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <004c01c749f0$9be95f90$3a52bc4c@pengy>

Link to auction please?

Thanks

RIck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:33 AM
Subject: [SEL] Coolant Tank on E-bay


For you folks who have been writing in and asking me about the tank I have 
on E-bay for sell here is now what I know about it for sure:

It was custom made for me by John Wanat
It has never been used.
I have had it for about four years.
It is 20" in diameter
It is 42" in height
It will hold 57 gallons of water when full
It weighs approximately 17 pounds (light for it's size)
It is 8-3/4" from the top down to the center of the first hole (inlet hole)
It has 1" pipe fittings at top and bottom.
It is located in zip code 72143 (Searcy, Arkansas)
According to a friend of mine DHL Freight Cost is about $.50/pound from 
Wisconsin, I am having a set of 130 pound wheels shipped to me for $68.00 
from Wisconsin. Just something for consideration.

Hopefully this will help those of you who were wanting to know more about 
the tank.
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Feb  6 05:44:52 2007
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:44:52 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
References: <395716.41539.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com><87F46936-EEA3-4B80-9C3E-D1FB9A6E115A@rustyiron.com>
	<03bd01c749cd$0fc1f040$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <012d01c749f4$fada5910$0300a8c0@FBIVAIO>

Reg, I'll eyeball your body anytime!

Dolly

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>


> Further to, I sure wish the body was up to the eyeballs!!!! VBG
> Reg & Marg Ingold.



From edurand at cybertron.com  Tue Feb  6 06:18:43 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:18:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205225003.047d1cd0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEDPFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Dave:

Thank you for asking that important question.  

The answer is that since he's extremely dead, he is past tense and past caring about his name.  Because he's dead, he won't answer to anything.  To him, a name is unimportant.

Does that work for you?

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave
> Rotigel
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 09:51 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> Hi Elden, What is his name now?
>          Dave
> 
> At 11:20 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
> >Rick:
> >His full name was Albert York Edwards
> >Take care - Elden




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb  6 06:23:40 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:23:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206092231.04821de0@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:18 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much 
>water will it hold".
>
>I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank 
>that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.
>
>Paul'

Come on Paul, You are giving government schools of the 50's a BAD name!
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb  6 06:28:07 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:28:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEDPFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205225003.047d1cd0@mail.alltel.net>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEDPFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206092705.04892568@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:18 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>Dave:
>Thank you for asking that important question.
>The answer is that since he's extremely dead, he is past tense and past 
>caring about his name.  Because he's dead, he won't answer to 
>anything.  To him, a name is unimportant
>Does that work for you?
>Take care - Elden

Hopefully not for several years yet!
         Dave



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb  6 07:13:26 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:13:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Set Up Reconsidered
In-Reply-To: <012d01c749f4$fada5910$0300a8c0@FBIVAIO>
References: <395716.41539.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<87F46936-EEA3-4B80-9C3E-D1FB9A6E115A@rustyiron.com>
	<03bd01c749cd$0fc1f040$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<012d01c749f4$fada5910$0300a8c0@FBIVAIO>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206101209.048da778@mail.alltel.net>

Take her up on it Reg. I'll give you the English definition of "eyeball" 
off List!
         Dave

At 08:44 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>Reg, I'll eyeball your body anytime!
>
>Dolly
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>
>
>>Further to, I sure wish the body was up to the eyeballs!!!! VBG
>>Reg & Marg Ingold.



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb  6 07:32:58 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:32:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
In-Reply-To: <BAY129-F3968349788B7EC888029F8C89F0@phx.gbl>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
	<BAY129-F3968349788B7EC888029F8C89F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206103012.048a1c90@mail.alltel.net>

100% correct Luke!
         Dave
PS, For those of you who don't believe this go to: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/eco2.html

At 08:08 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>....and some Economy engines are green, right Dave :-)
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>
>>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>
>>In the future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and 
>>Galloway engines are RED!
>>         Dave



From edurand at cybertron.com  Tue Feb  6 08:17:58 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:17:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Edwards stuff
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206092705.04892568@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEEBFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

I understand perfectly!

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave
> Rotigel
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 08:28 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Edwards stuff
> 
> 
> At 09:18 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
> >Dave:
> >Thank you for asking that important question.
> >The answer is that since he's extremely dead, he 
> is past tense and past 
> >caring about his name.  Because he's dead, he 
> won't answer to 
> >anything.  To him, a name is unimportant
> >Does that work for you?
> >Take care - Elden
> 
> Hopefully not for several years yet!
>          Dave




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Feb  6 09:23:31 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:23:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>	<6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <45C8B993.8020600@imc-group.com>

Dave,
Our very first away engine show was years ago to Evansville, IN. I had 
my first engine in the back of the Dodge truck, a 3HP Jaeger, that 
several of us had to manually unload from the truck to display in the 
show area. Didn't know a soul there, had never even heard of the SEL, 
and didn't join "the group" when invited to the Log Inn for dinner on 
Sat. evening (only year missed).
Missy and I both laughed at the funny Maytag sign on the huge beast of a 
green engine there. As I recall we later learned it was a 12HP Hercules 
and some guy named Dave Rotigel owned it. We never did meet you at that 
show.
We were taken under the wing by Jim & MaryAnna White, Charlie Bryant and 
a few others from St. Louis area and spent most of the weekend with them.
Admittedly that is a lot of years ago and we were real green to the 
hobby, but that is my recollection of a Maytag sign on your big green 
Hercules. I'm thinking that was the anniversary year of Herc/Econ 
engines and there were 5, 12HP Hercs there. Again, the memory is fuzzy. 
Perhaps it IS what I have smoked :-)
Curt


Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Hi Curt and Mark,
>         I sure as hell hope that whatever you two are smoking is 
> good--because you must have consumed a lot of it! To set the record 
> straight, George Best delivered my 16 HP Galloway to Portland for me 
> in 1999. By the time Arnie and I arrived at Portland someone had put a 
> magnetic MAYTAG sign on it's hopper. That year a MAYTAG muffler flex 
> pipe was also seen coming out of the water hopper of the Galloway. I 
> then restored the Galloway (See: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html) 
> The next year (2000) I took the restored engine to Portland and put 
> the magnetic MAYTAG sign back on it from time to time (See: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Portland_2000/ )
>         To the best of my knowledge The magnetic MAYTAG sign has never 
> been on the 12 HP TG Hercules that I used to own (I could be wrong 
> about this however.) If either of you have pictures I would like to 
> see them.
>         I understand from reading that I've done that after smoking 
> several joints one's perception of reality and their ability to 
> differentiate between red and green is somewhat diminished. In the 
> future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and Galloway 
> engines are RED!
>         Dave
> PS, In 2003 I put that damn MAYTAG sign on e-bay and got $245.00 for it!
>
>
> At 10:49 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>> GRINNN, Yah you would think he'd remember the Maytag sign that 
>> mysteriously showed up to truely display the true brand of the 
>> engines he loves to collect but has to keep the secret by having 
>> large engines.
>> Or is it the compensation factor involved here. Something large to 
>> make up for something else.
>>   Think his memory has been tainted by all the shim stock hes been 
>> making since his retirement?  Mark
>>
>>
>> At 09:56 AM 2/5/07, you wrote:
>>> Mark,
>>> Glad someone understood that I was just funning Dave. And yes the 
>>> Maytag sign I was referencing was the sign he used to hang on the 
>>> side of the hopper of his 12HP Hercules.
>>> Poor old guy's memory isn't what is used to be :-)
>>> Curt
>>> P.S. REALLY looking forward to seeing your Austral at Zolfo, Dave.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>>
>>>> A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag 
>>>> that runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a 
>>>> supposedly running Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by 
>>>> the running Maytag or maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and 
>>>> blanket.     Mark
>>>>
>>>> PS: Just couldn't resist
>>>> PPS: Really
>>>> PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida
>>>>
>>>> At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>> Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? 
>>>>>> Last we heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case 
>>>>>> why would you need kero?
>>>>>> Curt
>>>>>> P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where 
>>>>> did you hear that it would not run?
>>>>>         Dave
>>>>> PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the 
>>>>> USA) there--it will be running!
>>>>> PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> Mark & Christine Shulaw
>> 454 Co. Rd. 33
>> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>>
>> Home #419.358.5206
>> Verizon Cell
>> #419.516.2996 Mark
>> #330.475.4450 Christine
>>
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From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Tue Feb  6 10:05:48 2007
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:05:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<45C81075.4040604@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <014601c74a19$6e460970$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Are you using inside dimensions on that tank?
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank


> Paul,
>    I went back and checked to make sure the figure I got (close to 50 
> gallons) was correct.  Looks like it is. The tank could potentially hold 
> more than this.  But, you're not going to be able to run it at 100% 
> capacity (10% of it would slosh out with the engine running) so I used 
> 90%.  I did a calculation a couple of nights ago and came up with 
> something like 15 gallons but looking at the calculator, I think I know 
> what I did wrong.  There are two ways to figure volume in a cylindrical 
> tank.  One uses the diameter and the other uses the radius.  I think I 
> typed in the radius (10 inches) when I should have typed in the diameter. 
> Using the radius gives a volume of 14 gallons.  Using the diameter gives a 
> volume of 54 (both of these at 100%).  Didn't realize that a few inches 
> could make such a difference.....
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is "How much 
>>water will it hold".
>>I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round tank 
>>that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.
>>
>>Paul'
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Feb  6 10:57:32 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:57:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
In-Reply-To: <014601c74a19$6e460970$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
References: <014e01c7498c$a8609720$240110ac@FAMILY>	<45C81075.4040604@scrtc.com>
	<014601c74a19$6e460970$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: 45C8CF9C.6040305@scrtc.com

Skip,
    Here's what I used.  The tank dimensions are 20" by 42".  I wasn't 
sure if it was 20" ID measure or 20" OD.  If you'll notice, it has a 
rolled lip, about 1/4 inch.  To be on the safe side, I assumed 20" OD 
measure (at the top)  minus 1/2 inch (for the rolled lip) which makes an 
ID of 19 1/2.  It may be 20" ID but as I said, I wanted to be on the 
safe side.  Put in the calculations and 19 1/2 by 42 gives you 54.3 
gallons.  An old engine tank won't hold 100% of its volume (your going 
to slosh out a bit of it) so I figured about 90% actual water in the 
tank which equates to slightly less than 50 gallons for engine running 
purposes.  Not sure if 19.5 should be used or 20, it depends on how John 
W. measured and rolled the material.  On the tanks that I've had made, 
the guy always uses OD as if I told him a tank had to be 24 inches and 
he used ID, then once he's finished, with a rolled lip, etc, it actually 
covers about 25 inches.  If its to fit into a base or tight quarters, it 
could be trouble.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Are you using inside dimensions on that tank?
> Skip
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" 
> <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Calculating Volume of Water in a Tank
>
>
>> Paul,
>>    I went back and checked to make sure the figure I got (close to 50 
>> gallons) was correct.  Looks like it is. The tank could potentially 
>> hold more than this.  But, you're not going to be able to run it at 
>> 100% capacity (10% of it would slosh out with the engine running) so 
>> I used 90%.  I did a calculation a couple of nights ago and came up 
>> with something like 15 gallons but looking at the calculator, I think 
>> I know what I did wrong.  There are two ways to figure volume in a 
>> cylindrical tank.  One uses the diameter and the other uses the 
>> radius.  I think I typed in the radius (10 inches) when I should have 
>> typed in the diameter. Using the radius gives a volume of 14 
>> gallons.  Using the diameter gives a volume of 54 (both of these at 
>> 100%).  Didn't realize that a few inches could make such a 
>> difference.....
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>> Ok Gang I have a coolant tank on E-bay for sell, the question is 
>>> "How much water will it hold".
>>> I need one of you mathematician to tell me how much water a round 
>>> tank that is 20" in diameter and 42" tall will hold.
>>>
>>> Paul'
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  6 11:54:26 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:54:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant Tank on E-bay
References: <007d01c749eb$1138dd30$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<004c01c749f0$9be95f90$3a52bc4c@pengy>
Message-ID: <005f01c74a28$9e2f5d80$240110ac@FAMILY>

Here it is Rick:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330085046332&rd=1&rd=1

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <rowlands1941 at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant Tank on E-bay


> Link to auction please?
>
> Thanks
>
> RIck
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:33 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Coolant Tank on E-bay
>
>
> For you folks who have been writing in and asking me about the tank I have 
> on E-bay for sell here is now what I know about it for sure:
>
> It was custom made for me by John Wanat
> It has never been used.
> I have had it for about four years.
> It is 20" in diameter
> It is 42" in height
> It will hold 57 gallons of water when full
> It weighs approximately 17 pounds (light for it's size)
> It is 8-3/4" from the top down to the center of the first hole (inlet 
> hole)
> It has 1" pipe fittings at top and bottom.
> It is located in zip code 72143 (Searcy, Arkansas)
> According to a friend of mine DHL Freight Cost is about $.50/pound from 
> Wisconsin, I am having a set of 130 pound wheels shipped to me for $68.00 
> from Wisconsin. Just something for consideration.
>
> Hopefully this will help those of you who were wanting to know more about 
> the tank.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Tue Feb  6 12:18:04 2007
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:18:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net><BAY129-F3968349788B7EC888029F8C89F0@phx.gbl>
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Dave,

There are at least two green Economy engines.  I bought a green one several 
years ago.  I know it should be red, but it looks good in green.  I don't 
know if it will ever be repainted while I have it.  Same story as to the 
green paint, the PO didn't know what color it should be, and someone told 
him it was supposed to be green, so he painted it green.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign


> 100% correct Luke!
>         Dave
> PS, For those of you who don't believe this go to: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/eco2.html
>
> At 08:08 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>>....and some Economy engines are green, right Dave :-)
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>
>>>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>>
>>>In the future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and 
>>>Galloway engines are RED!
>>>         Dave
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Feb  6 13:24:09 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:24:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
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Hey, ya had black hair back then!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign


> 100% correct Luke!
>         Dave
> PS, For those of you who don't believe this go to: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/eco2.html
> 
> At 08:08 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>>....and some Economy engines are green, right Dave :-)
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>
>>>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>>
>>>In the future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and 
>>>Galloway engines are RED!
>>>         Dave
> 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Feb  6 13:03:38 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:03:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
In-Reply-To: <200702061700.l16H05s6014471@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200702062337843.SM01796@new.databak.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 06/02/2007, you wrote:
>From: "Nick Holden" <nick at holden1.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Hi Jerry
>This may help you its the best I could find
>
>http://www.sentinel-waggons.co.uk/index2a.htm

Hi Nick,
         Thanks for the input. That is where I got the low res version and 
a friend has posted there to ask for a better version but no joy yet.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Feb  6 13:35:58 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:35:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank volume
In-Reply-To: <200702061700.l16H05s6014471@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200702062337109.SM01796@new.databak.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 06/02/2007, you wrote:
>Message: 25
>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolant tank and Maytag Lamp on E-bay
>
>Tommy unless I am wrong, and I probably am, this tank will hold about 50
>gallons of water.
>
>Volume Of A Round Tank
>   Please Enter Tank Radius And Tank Water Depth
>       Tank Radius In Feet
>       Tank Water Depth In Feet
>The diameter of this tank is 20" or 1.6' which would make the radius = .8' X
>Depth which is 42" or 3.5'.
>Am I calculating this wrong? I know it will hold a lot more than 15 gallons.
>Paul


>Hi Paul and All

I get the digest version of the SEL so this question has already been 
answered by others but here is the formula for volume. (This is for a 
cylinder - a rectangular tank is easier)

Volume= Area x height (or depth)

Area (of a circle) = pi  x radius squared. (Sorry this is not how it's 
usually written but I dunno how to put that little superscript "2" up there 
with this keyboard :-))

So you just work out the area of the cylinder base and multiply it by the 
height (or depth) and the result will be the volume (in whatever units you 
are using).

         O.K. - I know most of you already know this but the reason for 
this post is just to re-introduce you to a small free programme that I use 
(and posted to the list a year or so back). It is called "Convert.exe" and 
is very useful to convert almost any unit of measurement to almost any 
other unit of measurement. (Like 57 USGallons to 47.46241 English Gallons 
to 215.7685 Litres).

         The writers blurb states "Convert is an easy to use unit 
conversion program that will convert the most popular units of distance, 
temperature, volume, time, speed, mass, power, density, pressure, energy 
and many others, including the ability to create custom conversions! "

         It will not calculate the volume for you but makes it easier for 
people like me to figure out that 57 USGallons is about 215 litres - that 
way I know what you're talking about.

         It's a really great little programme and does not even need to be 
"installed" in windows. You just click on the .exe file and away it goes.

It is available as a free download here:
<http://joshmadison.com/software/convert/>

I hope you find it useful.


Best regards
Jerry Evans.
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Feb  6 14:58:58 2007
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:58:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Arthur Southwell
Message-ID: <019901c74a42$6356d340$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Can someone help me out with Arthur's email address.

Jim

Jim and Diane
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  6 15:39:37 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:39:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank volume
References: <200702062337109.SM01796@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <00b901c74a48$10e43340$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Jerry for the conversion program, I have downloaded it and will be 
using it in the future.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] Coolant tank volume


> At 07:00 PM 06/02/2007, you wrote:




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb  6 15:53:41 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:53:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
In-Reply-To: <005301c74a2b$e9842830$8f44e5d8@HP28276676518>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net>
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Hi Gary, I'm glad to be in good company!
         Dave

At 03:18 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>Dave,
>
>There are at least two green Economy engines.  I bought a green one 
>several years ago.  I know it should be red, but it looks good in 
>green.  I don't know if it will ever be repainted while I have it.  Same 
>story as to the green paint, the PO didn't know what color it should be, 
>and someone told him it was supposed to be green, so he painted it green.
>
>Gary
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:32 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
>
>
>>100% correct Luke!
>>         Dave
>>PS, For those of you who don't believe this go to: 
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/eco2.html
>>
>>At 08:08 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>>>....and some Economy engines are green, right Dave :-)
>>>
>>>Luke Tonneberger
>>>
>>>>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>>>
>>>>In the future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and 
>>>>Galloway engines are RED!
>>>>         Dave
>>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb  6 13:31:45 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:31:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerosene Question/now grass and MAYTAG sign
In-Reply-To: <45C8B993.8020600@imc-group.com>
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Hi Curt,
         Although I don't remember having the magnetic MAYTAG sign on the 
Hercules at the SIAM that year (was that the 80th Hercules celebration?) I 
know that I had a LOT of fun with that MAYTAG sign that Mark was kind 
enough to give me. So, perhaps, you are correct!
         Dave
PS, Mark, I really DID NOT sell the sign on e-bay for $245.00. It still 
hangs on my gun safe and brings back GOOD memories every time 
I         look at it!
PPS, Curt, Don't know how in the hell I missed Missy that year. Had I known 
she was with you I would have INSISTED that you join us at  the Log Inn!

At 12:23 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>Dave,
>Our very first away engine show was years ago to Evansville, IN. I had my 
>first engine in the back of the Dodge truck, a 3HP Jaeger, that several of 
>us had to manually unload from the truck to display in the show area. 
>Didn't know a soul there, had never even heard of the SEL, and didn't join 
>"the group" when invited to the Log Inn for dinner on Sat. evening (only 
>year missed).
>Missy and I both laughed at the funny Maytag sign on the huge beast of a 
>green engine there. As I recall we later learned it was a 12HP Hercules 
>and some guy named Dave Rotigel owned it. We never did meet you at that show.
>We were taken under the wing by Jim & MaryAnna White, Charlie Bryant and a 
>few others from St. Louis area and spent most of the weekend with them.
>Admittedly that is a lot of years ago and we were real green to the hobby, 
>but that is my recollection of a Maytag sign on your big green Hercules. 
>I'm thinking that was the anniversary year of Herc/Econ engines and there 
>were 5, 12HP Hercs there. Again, the memory is fuzzy. Perhaps it IS what I 
>have smoked :-)
>Curt
>
>
>Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>Hi Curt and Mark,
>>         I sure as hell hope that whatever you two are smoking is 
>> good--because you must have consumed a lot of it! To set the record 
>> straight, George Best delivered my 16 HP Galloway to Portland for me in 
>> 1999. By the time Arnie and I arrived at Portland someone had put a 
>> magnetic MAYTAG sign on it's hopper. That year a MAYTAG muffler flex 
>> pipe was also seen coming out of the water hopper of the Galloway. I 
>> then restored the Galloway (See: 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html) 
>> The next year (2000) I took the restored engine to Portland and put the 
>> magnetic MAYTAG sign back on it from time to time (See: 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Portland_2000/ )
>>         To the best of my knowledge The magnetic MAYTAG sign has never 
>> been on the 12 HP TG Hercules that I used to own (I could be wrong about 
>> this however.) If either of you have pictures I would like to see them.
>>         I understand from reading that I've done that after smoking 
>> several joints one's perception of reality and their ability to 
>> differentiate between red and green is somewhat diminished. In the 
>> future please remember that Hercules engines are GREEN and Galloway 
>> engines are RED!
>>         Dave
>>PS, In 2003 I put that damn MAYTAG sign on e-bay and got $245.00 for it!
>>
>>
>>At 10:49 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>>>GRINNN, Yah you would think he'd remember the Maytag sign that 
>>>mysteriously showed up to truely display the true brand of the engines 
>>>he loves to collect but has to keep the secret by having large engines.
>>>Or is it the compensation factor involved here. Something large to make 
>>>up for something else.
>>>   Think his memory has been tainted by all the shim stock hes been 
>>> making since his retirement?  Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>At 09:56 AM 2/5/07, you wrote:
>>>>Mark,
>>>>Glad someone understood that I was just funning Dave. And yes the 
>>>>Maytag sign I was referencing was the sign he used to hang on the side 
>>>>of the hopper of his 12HP Hercules.
>>>>Poor old guy's memory isn't what is used to be :-)
>>>>Curt
>>>>P.S. REALLY looking forward to seeing your Austral at Zolfo, Dave.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A running Austral?? I've heard thats a urban legend like the Maytag 
>>>>>that runs. I've been told smoke and mirrors are involved in a 
>>>>>supposedly running Austral. And the smoke is supposedly provided by 
>>>>>the running Maytag or maybe itwas an indian with a signal fire and 
>>>>>blanket.     Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>PS: Just couldn't resist
>>>>>PPS: Really
>>>>>PPPS: Have fun in Tornado ravaged Florida
>>>>>
>>>>>At 03:53 PM 2/2/07, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>At 03:08 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dave,
>>>>>>>Has your Austral actually run since it left Rob's place in KA? Last 
>>>>>>>we heard it wouldn't run for you. If that's still the case why would 
>>>>>>>you need kero?
>>>>>>>Curt
>>>>>>>P.S. Don't forget your Maytag sign to hang on this engine. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Austral has run 8 or 10 times since arriving in PA. When/where 
>>>>>>did you hear that it would not run?
>>>>>>         Dave
>>>>>>PS, if you get to Zolfo just look for the rarest engine (in the USA) 
>>>>>>there--it will be running!
>>>>>>PS, What MAYTAG sign?
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>
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>>>
>>>Mark & Christine Shulaw
>>>454 Co. Rd. 33
>>>Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>>>
>>>Home #419.358.5206
>>>Verizon Cell
>>>#419.516.2996 Mark
>>>#330.475.4450 Christine
>>>
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>>
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From edurand at cybertron.com  Wed Feb  7 06:18:53 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:18:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Arthur Southwell
In-Reply-To: <019901c74a42$6356d340$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEEMFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Jim:

Here 'tis:

asouth42 at earthlink.net

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim and
> Diane
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 04:59 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Arthur Southwell
> 
> 
> Can someone help me out with Arthur's email address.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Feb  7 08:29:30 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:29:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arthur Southwell
Message-ID: <20070207.112937.1012.12.jlb94@juno.com>

This is what I have Jim,

asouth42 at earthlink.net 


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/   
 (_o_)       "I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it."


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Feb  7 11:55:17 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:55:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: THE MAYTAG sign
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070206162211.0497de20@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net>
	<45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<45C74592.80702@imc-group.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
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	<45C8B993.8020600@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070206162211.0497de20@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702071448480.5273@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hey Guys,

I VIVIDLY remember that Herc show at SIAM.  That was when the local
TV "Fluff Chick" sat on the seat of Keith's horse-drawn Herc engine cart
to do her local live TV segment.  I seem to recall someone bagging the
seat and later selling "sniffs."  8->>  Surely SOMEONE has pics of that
event?

But the first time than the infamous "Maytag Sign" got attached to an
engine was to Dave's Galloway the first year it was at Portland, still
pink, and fresh off George Best's trailer having come in from Washington.

ISTR that Maytag sign also get attached to Dave's truck...

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote:

>          Although I don't remember having the magnetic MAYTAG sign on the
> Hercules at the SIAM that year (was that the 80th Hercules celebration?) I
> know that I had a LOT of fun with that MAYTAG sign that Mark was kind
> enough to give me. So, perhaps, you are correct!
>          Dave
> PPS, Curt, Don't know how in the hell I missed Missy that year. Had I known
> she was with you I would have INSISTED that you join us at  the Log Inn!


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Feb  7 12:55:14 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:55:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: THE MAYTAG sign
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070202145257.04c693c0@mail.alltel.net><45C39A41.1040804@imc-group.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070202154951.04ceccc8@mail.alltel.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070202163311.0303bbf0@pop3.wcoil.com><45C74592.80702@imc-group.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070205103937.02eaa1c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070205183647.0481d008@mail.alltel.net><45C8B993.8020600@imc-group.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070206162211.0497de20@mail.alltel.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702071448480.5273@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c74afa$4443ec50$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Arnie

Was that the year we were there, 1999, I remember that ugly big hunk of iron 
dumped on the ground and everyone trying to start it, just like a Maytag it 
would not run first go ;-))

Peter, Oz




> Hey Guys,
>
> But the first time than the infamous "Maytag Sign" got attached to an
> engine was to Dave's Galloway the first year it was at Portland, still
> pink, and fresh off George Best's trailer having come in from Washington.




From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Feb  7 17:13:37 2007
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:13:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Ballan
Message-ID: <01d701c74b1e$5c7768a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

To Oz members.  Anybody on the list going to the Ballan Rally and if so is it only on the 18th.  Thanks.

Ron
Canberra


From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  7 21:52:06 2007
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:52:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Ballan
In-Reply-To: <01d701c74b1e$5c7768a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F154EF667F318BE6C9C1EB9BA9D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Ron, i have my local club newsletter and it says ballan on the 18th so i 
presume it is a one dayer,cheers Dave


>From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>,   
>      <"undisclosed-recipients:"@m0.velocity.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] Ballan
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:13:37 +1100
>
>To Oz members.  Anybody on the list going to the Ballan Rally and if so is 
>it only on the 18th.  Thanks.
>
>Ron
>Canberra
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Feb  8 03:39:49 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:39:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
Message-ID: <015301c74b76$1314e8b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Every engine nut should see this!
It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.

http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html 

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Thu Feb  8 08:10:43 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:10:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Fire in shed
In-Reply-To: <015301c74b76$1314e8b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <200702081610.l18GAj3g033053@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:40 AM
To: List SEL
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed

Every engine nut should see this!
It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.

http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html 

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What a heartbreaker!  Sad.  

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   




From shop at cccomm.net  Thu Feb  8 08:21:28 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:21:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
References: <20060907032556.96594.qmail@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c74b9d$2fa35350$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Anyone know where or how to date a  2 hp Fairbanks Morse T ?
It doesn't have the flap door on the mixer, it has single split flywheels, 
and the handhole cover is vented. The name plate is not a casting as most 
are, but a stamped sheet of brass. The patent date is '07.

Thanks in advance
Dave




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Feb  8 09:11:52 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:11:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
Message-ID: <20070208.091152.540.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

What is the serial number Dave?  Should be on the head and block where
they meet.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:21:28 -0800 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
> Anyone know where or how to date a  2 hp Fairbanks Morse T ?
> It doesn't have the flap door on the mixer, it has single split 
> flywheels, 
> and the handhole cover is vented. The name plate is not a casting as 
> most 
> are, but a stamped sheet of brass. The patent date is '07.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Dave


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Feb  8 09:17:17 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:17:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
Message-ID: <20070208.121759.1176.5.jlb94@juno.com>


Best I can do.
I have this site in the archives.
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page17.html

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/   
 (_o_)       "I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it."


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb  8 12:16:03 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:16:03 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
References: <200702062337843.SM01796@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <000f01c74bbd$f877a040$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry


> At 07:00 PM 06/02/2007, you wrote:
>>From: "Nick Holden" <nick at holden1.net>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Hi Jerry
>>This may help you its the best I could find
>>http://www.sentinel-waggons.co.uk/index2a.htm
> 
> Hi Nick,
>         Thanks for the input. That is where I got the low res version and 
> a friend has posted there to ask for a better version but no joy yet.
> Jerry Evans

Hi Jerry, I managed to contact the graphics person in the Sentinel-waggons group.
Her name is Dianne Carney. Her E Mail is stn.editor at uwclub.net.
She says she has just sent the image to someone in SA, probably your friend!
Any problems just contact her, she seems a nice lass.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  8 13:12:35 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:12:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 35, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <200702081700.l18H05Zx002017@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F317DD0E235B5B2AC78F7FCCB9D0@phx.gbl>

>>>Every engine nut should see this!
>>>It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.

>>>http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html

What a damned shame, Reg.  My heart goes out to those folks.  When the 
irreplaceable is lost, there's no way to fix it.



Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted 
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
thereafter."
E. Hemingway





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>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 35, Issue 8
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:00:05 -0500
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>Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: THE MAYTAG sign (Arnie Fero)
>    2. Re: Re: THE MAYTAG sign (Peter Lowe)
>    3. Ballan (Ron Page)
>    4. RE: Ballan (David Nicolson)
>    5. Fw: Fire in shed (R & M Ingold)
>    6. Spam> Fire in shed (Orrin Iseminger)
>    7. Fairbanks Morse T (Dave Ernst)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:55:17 -0500 (EST)
>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Re: THE MAYTAG sign
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702071448480.5273 at vegeta.city-net.com>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hey Guys,
>
>I VIVIDLY remember that Herc show at SIAM.  That was when the local
>TV "Fluff Chick" sat on the seat of Keith's horse-drawn Herc engine cart
>to do her local live TV segment.  I seem to recall someone bagging the
>seat and later selling "sniffs."  8->>  Surely SOMEONE has pics of that
>event?
>
>But the first time than the infamous "Maytag Sign" got attached to an
>engine was to Dave's Galloway the first year it was at Portland, still
>pink, and fresh off George Best's trailer having come in from Washington.
>
>ISTR that Maytag sign also get attached to Dave's truck...
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
> >          Although I don't remember having the magnetic MAYTAG sign on 
>the
> > Hercules at the SIAM that year (was that the 80th Hercules celebration?) 
>I
> > know that I had a LOT of fun with that MAYTAG sign that Mark was kind
> > enough to give me. So, perhaps, you are correct!
> >          Dave
> > PPS, Curt, Don't know how in the hell I missed Missy that year. Had I 
>known
> > she was with you I would have INSISTED that you join us at  the Log Inn!
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:55:14 +1100
>From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: THE MAYTAG sign
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <001a01c74afa$4443ec50$0601a8c0 at altech>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>Hi Arnie
>
>Was that the year we were there, 1999, I remember that ugly big hunk of 
>iron
>dumped on the ground and everyone trying to start it, just like a Maytag it
>would not run first go ;-))
>
>Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > But the first time than the infamous "Maytag Sign" got attached to an
> > engine was to Dave's Galloway the first year it was at Portland, still
> > pink, and fresh off George Best's trailer having come in from 
>Washington.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:13:37 +1100
>From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
>Subject: [SEL] Ballan
>To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>,
>	<SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>,
>	<"undisclosed-recipients:"@m0.velocity.net.au>
>Message-ID: <01d701c74b1e$5c7768a0$6c3bfea9 at ronhh5b8az2uaq>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>To Oz members.  Anybody on the list going to the Ballan Rally and if so is 
>it only on the 18th.  Thanks.
>
>Ron
>Canberra
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:52:06 +1100
>From: "David Nicolson" <dnicolson40 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [SEL] Ballan
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Message-ID: <BAY127-F154EF667F318BE6C9C1EB9BA9D0 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>Hi Ron, i have my local club newsletter and it says ballan on the 18th so i
>presume it is a one dayer,cheers Dave
>
>
> >From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>,
> >      <"undisclosed-recipients:"@m0.velocity.net.au>
> >Subject: [SEL] Ballan
> >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:13:37 +1100
> >
> >To Oz members.  Anybody on the list going to the Ballan Rally and if so 
>is
> >it only on the 18th.  Thanks.
> >
> >Ron
> >Canberra
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>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:39:49 +1100
>From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
>To: "List SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <015301c74b76$1314e8b0$0401a8c0 at reg6db4351094b>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>Every engine nut should see this!
>It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.
>
>http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html
>
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:10:43 -0800
>From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Spam> Fire in shed
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'"
>	<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <200702081610.l18GAj3g033053 at mail-gw.fsr.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:40 AM
>To: List SEL
>Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
>
>Every engine nut should see this!
>It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.
>
>http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html
>
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>What a heartbreaker!  Sad.
>
>Orrin
>
>Orrin Iseminger
>Colton, Washington, USA
>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
>So many projects.  So little time.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:21:28 -0800
>From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
>Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <001501c74b9d$2fa35350$6501a8c0 at YOURA8CFD79427>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>Anyone know where or how to date a  2 hp Fairbanks Morse T ?
>It doesn't have the flap door on the mixer, it has single split flywheels,
>and the handhole cover is vented. The name plate is not a casting as most
>are, but a stamped sheet of brass. The patent date is '07.
>
>Thanks in advance
>Dave
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
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>End of SEL Digest, Vol 35, Issue 8
>**********************************

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Feb  8 13:41:15 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:41:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 35, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F317DD0E235B5B2AC78F7FCCB9D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-F317DD0E235B5B2AC78F7FCCB9D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: 45CB98FB.4070700@scrtc.com

Bruce and Reg,
    I lost a lot in the tornado.  But, I think I'd rather have the high 
wind than a fire......

http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/turner/tornado1.html

Tommy Turner



>>>> Every engine nut should see this!
>>>> It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.
>>>
>
>>>> http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html
>>>
>
> What a damned shame, Reg.  My heart goes out to those folks.  When the 
> irreplaceable is lost, there's no way to fix it.
>
>
>
> Bruce Younger
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
> Madison, SD
> sluggo54 at hotmail.com




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Feb  8 16:02:58 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:02:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
In-Reply-To: <001501c74b9d$2fa35350$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <20070209000303.866259B446@mx-in02.sjc.mail-abuse.org>

Hi Dave,, Look to the right of the ignitor at the seam between the head and
cyl.There will be two numbers stacked over each other. If neither the head
or cyl. haven't been replaced the #'s will match. Records are available on
the Sel. Matching the Ser.# and dates. Yours is a later model. Cya, Jimmy
O'Hagan, 415 892 0236

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:21 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T

Anyone know where or how to date a  2 hp Fairbanks Morse T ?
It doesn't have the flap door on the mixer, it has single split flywheels, 
and the handhole cover is vented. The name plate is not a casting as most 
are, but a stamped sheet of brass. The patent date is '07.

Thanks in advance
Dave


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From shop at cccomm.net  Fri Feb  9 07:02:03 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:02:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
References: <20070208.091152.540.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003101c74c5b$42dbbb60$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

The number is 74899

Thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T


> What is the serial number Dave?  Should be on the head and block where
> they meet.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:21:28 -0800 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
>> Anyone know where or how to date a  2 hp Fairbanks Morse T ?
>> It doesn't have the flap door on the mixer, it has single split 
>> flywheels, 
>> and the handhole cover is vented. The name plate is not a casting as 
>> most 
>> are, but a stamped sheet of brass. The patent date is '07.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> Dave
> _______________________________________________
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>



From lfevans at pacbell.net  Fri Feb  9 08:57:21 2007
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:57:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
In-Reply-To: <003101c74c5b$42dbbb60$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
References: <20070208.091152.540.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<003101c74c5b$42dbbb60$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070209084841.04c9dec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Dave,

A few years ago Denis Rouleau did a lot of research on early F-M serial 
numbers.  According to his list your engine is mid 1908.
See: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html

Regards,
Larry

At 07:02 AM 2/9/2007, you wrote:
>The number is 74899
>
>Thanks
>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
>
>
>>What is the serial number Dave?  Should be on the head and block where
>>they meet.
>>Ron Haskell
>>rdhaskell at juno.com
>>Riverside, California
>>USA
>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:21:28 -0800 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
>>>Anyone know where or how to date a  2 hp Fairbanks Morse T ?
>>>It doesn't have the flap door on the mixer, it has single split 
>>>flywheels, and the handhole cover is vented. The name plate is not a 
>>>casting as most are, but a stamped sheet of brass. The patent date is '07.
>>>Thanks in advance
>>>Dave
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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Larry Evans
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http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Feb  9 09:01:46 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:01:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
Message-ID: <20070209.090146.1120.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

That should make it 1908.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:02:03 -0800 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
> The number is 74899
> 
> Thanks


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb  9 12:22:42 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:22:42 -0000
Subject: [SEL] A special treat for Dave Rotigel
Message-ID: <000301c74c88$0f195490$e5c30b52@no1>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dclTAW0ITz0&mode=related&search=
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Feb  9 12:44:13 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:44:13 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
In-Reply-To: <200702091700.l19H06UI025786@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070209223516.00ade240@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 09/02/2007, you wrote:

>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Artwork for Sentinel Steam Lorry
>
><snip>
>
>Hi Jerry, I managed to contact the graphics person in the Sentinel-waggons 
>group.
>Her name is Dianne Carney. Her E Mail is stn.editor at uwclub.net.
>She says she has just sent the image to someone in SA, probably your friend!
>Any problems just contact her, she seems a nice lass.
>Dave Croft

Hi Dave,
         We're corresponding on both lists :-)

Thanks for all your help. The art sent from Dianne, who is in contact with 
my "customer" did end up with me but was the wrong logo. (There was also a 
very "surprised" letter from her about you contacting her for "some guy" in 
Africa who was looking for sentinel artwork.) Small world, is it not.

         The other logo you sourced is exactly what I was looking for and I 
have sent a mail to the guy who is doing it.

         Once again the Engine List members have come out on top. Thanks 
very much for all the trouble you went to.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Feb  9 13:01:40 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:01:40 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction/brass spec plates
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070209225108.00a96e60@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi guys,
         Just a quick update for those of you who bought my items (Brass 
spec plates) on the auction.

         I think that I have sent you all proofs of the artwork. If I 
missed anyone please let me know.

         I've done a few of them but have just got in a very big order for 
signs (my "earn a living" business - the one that allows me to mess around 
with old engines - spec plates are part of the hobby) so have had to put 
everything else on hold for another week or so.

         If anyone desperately needs their plates please let me know and 
I'll make a plan. If not I will definitely be etching again in just over 10 
days time and all the SEL items will be in the front of the queue.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Feb  9 13:09:43 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:09:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A special treat for Dave Rotigel
In-Reply-To: <000301c74c88$0f195490$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <000301c74c88$0f195490$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070209160817.01eb6b40@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:22 PM 2/9/2007, you wrote:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dclTAW0ITz0&mode=related&search=
>Dave Croft

Hi Dave, All smoke and mirrors--but the dry ice you put in the exhaust pipe 
does add a great effect!
         Dave 



From lfevans at pacbell.net  Fri Feb  9 13:45:26 2007
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:45:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] IHC M Engine
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070209134429.02d00640@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Hi....

Some of you folks might remember that my brother and I got hold of an early 
1-1/2hp IHC M engine a few years ago in anything but running condition.  It 
was missing a lot of parts and had some rather interesting field 
modifications.  We have slowly been collecting what we need and this past 
spring and summer got it cleaned up and running again.  I took quite a few 
pictures during the restoration and have added some of them to the original 
page regarding this engine.  These pictures are not meant to be a lesson in 
how to restore an engine but more of a resource for someone working with a 
similar one.

Follow the links at the bottom of this page to see the new pictures.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ihm/

Regards,

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From shop at cccomm.net  Fri Feb  9 14:31:30 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:31:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T
References: <20070209.090146.1120.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <006301c74c9a$0bd8ca60$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Hey, thanks you guys

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse T


> That should make it 1908.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:02:03 -0800 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
>> The number is 74899
>> 
>> Thanks
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
>



From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  9 15:40:10 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:40:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Sorry
In-Reply-To: <200702091700.l19H06UE025786@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F7A05C3AF11644870D9505CB9C0@phx.gbl>

Sorry for the boneheaded, non-truncated reply yesterday, folks.  Head under 
basket.



Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted 
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
thereafter."
E. Hemingway

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Feb  9 20:13:43 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri,  9 Feb 2007 23:13:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
Message-ID: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Can anyone translate the following phrase?

ARMA PARATA FERO

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From ottawa at pa.net  Fri Feb  9 20:55:06 2007
From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:55:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0aa301c74ccf$a2b8a6a0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP>

I Carry Arms in Readiness.

You don't have to be fluent in Latin, use the computer!

Helen
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: fero_ah at city-net.com 
  To: Stationary Engine List ; Slick Willy ; Old_Engine 
  Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:13 PM
  Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT


  Hi Folks,

  Can anyone translate the following phrase?

  ARMA PARATA FERO

  Thanks!!

  See ya,  Arnie

  Arnie Fero
  Pittsburgh, PA
  fero_ah at city-net.com



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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Feb  9 21:19:09 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 21:19:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
In-Reply-To: <0aa301c74ccf$a2b8a6a0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP>
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
	<0aa301c74ccf$a2b8a6a0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <E2B31E0F-CDE9-4D41-9A16-F551418208A5@rustyiron.com>



Dude, that is SO cool.  You NEED to get a t-shirt with that saying.   
Next, you IMMEDIATELY need to log off the computer and get to work  
producing a male child which you can name Arma Parata.

Rob



On Feb 9, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Ken Christison wrote:
> "I carry arms in readiness"
>
> According to Google.
>
> Ken
>>
>> Can anyone translate the following phrase?
>>
>> ARMA PARATA FERO
>>


From lyle45859 at roadrunner.com  Fri Feb  9 21:21:10 2007
From: lyle45859 at roadrunner.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:21:10 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <45CD5646.000001.02100@CATS-D22786ABFC>

ARMA PARATA FERO Fortune follows courage 
 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: fero_ah at city-net.com 
Date: 02/09/07 23:33:45 
To: Stationary Engine List; Slick Willy; Old_Engine 
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT 
 
Hi Folks, 
 
Can anyone translate the following phrase? 
 
ARMA PARATA FERO 
 
Thanks!! 
 
See ya, Arnie 
 
Arnie Fero 
Pittsburgh, PA 
fero_ah at city-net.com 
 
 
 
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Feb 10 00:06:42 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:06:42 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
In-Reply-To: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <034901c74cea$66eee920$8335c53e@doc>

Ready to bear arms?


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Can anyone translate the following phrase?
> 
> ARMA PARATA FERO
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 




From nick at holden1.net  Sat Feb 10 03:51:01 2007
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:51:01 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <45CDB1A2.000001.00220@YOUR-447023AE6B>

Hi Arnie
 
ARMS PREPARED FERO
 
See 
 
http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?url=http%3A%2F%2F&type=text&text
 
 
Nick
Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: fero_ah at city-net.com
Date: 02/10/07 04:32:52
To: Stationary Engine List; Slick Willy; Old_Engine
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
 
Hi Folks,
 
Can anyone translate the following phrase?
 
ARMA PARATA FERO
 
Thanks!!
 
See ya,  Arnie
 
Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com
 
 
 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Feb 10 08:29:55 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:29:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
Message-ID: <200702101629.l1AGTtoG024952@bn3.blue.net>


Arnie,
   It translates to   "Buy more engines".

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



>ARMA PARATA FERO Fortune follows courage 
> 
> 
>-------Original Message------- 
> 
>From: fero_ah at city-net.com 
>Date: 02/09/07 23:33:45 
>To: Stationary Engine List; Slick Willy; Old_Engine 
>Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT 
> 
>Hi Folks, 
> 
>Can anyone translate the following phrase? 
> 
>ARMA PARATA FERO 
> 
>Thanks!! 
> 
>See ya, Arnie 
> 
>Arnie Fero 
>Pittsburgh, PA 
>fero_ah at city-net.com 
> 
> 
> 
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Feb 10 08:30:21 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:30:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
Message-ID: <200702101630.l1AGULdN026298@bn3.blue.net>


Arnie,
   It translates to   "Buy more engines".

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



>ARMA PARATA FERO Fortune follows courage 
> 
> 
>-------Original Message------- 
> 
>From: fero_ah at city-net.com 
>Date: 02/09/07 23:33:45 
>To: Stationary Engine List; Slick Willy; Old_Engine 
>Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT 
> 
>Hi Folks, 
> 
>Can anyone translate the following phrase? 
> 
>ARMA PARATA FERO 
> 
>Thanks!! 
> 
>See ya, Arnie 
> 
>Arnie Fero 
>Pittsburgh, PA 
>fero_ah at city-net.com 
> 
> 
> 
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Feb 10 09:08:06 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:08:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
Message-ID: <200702101708.l1AH86SW008298@bn3.blue.net>

There was some discussion the other day about me sending multiple
posts to the SEL.  I sent duplicate posts a few minutes ago by
accident.  I'm at a meeting in Chicago and am getting and sending
emails from a remote site.  I accidently sent the message twice. 
Thanks!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-------- Original Message --------

==> From: "tommy turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
==> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:29:55 -0600

 Arnie, It translates to   "Buy more engines".

Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky



>ARMA PARATA FERO Fortune follows courage > > >-------Original
Message------- > >From: fero_ah at city-net.com >Date: 02/09/07 23:33:45
>To: Stationary Engine List; Slick Willy; Old_Engine >Subject: [SEL]
Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT > >Hi Folks, > >Can anyone translate the
following phrase? > >ARMA PARATA FERO > >Thanks!! > >See ya, Arnie >
>Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > > >

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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Feb 10 09:55:01 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:55:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
In-Reply-To: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <b1b28df14399cfbbb31121724d6a1e11@chartertn.net>

Can't say I'm really "fluent" in Latin.

I'd've called it "Armed & Ready Fero."

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Feb 10 10:57:44 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:57:44 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
	<b1b28df14399cfbbb31121724d6a1e11@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c74d45$604e60e0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT


> Can't say I'm really "fluent" in Latin.
> 
> I'd've called it "Armed & Ready Fero."
> John Culp

Would this be the man you mean? 8^)
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2701450180028520097uXSjew
Dave Croft
Warrington



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Feb 10 10:58:28 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:58:28 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
	<b1b28df14399cfbbb31121724d6a1e11@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c74d45$74736430$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT


> Can't say I'm really "fluent" in Latin.
> 
> I'd've called it "Armed & Ready Fero."
> John Culp

Would this be the man you mean? 8^)
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2701450180028520097uXSjew
Dave Croft
Warrington



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 10 11:19:08 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:19:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
Message-ID: <00b701c74d48$570e0870$240110ac@FAMILY>

Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP Vertical Stover will get? Looking at painting the muffler and doing a little fill work on the castings and need an idea of how hot it will get so I can purchase the right material.

Thanks,

Paul



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb 10 10:34:10 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:34:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
In-Reply-To: <001f01c74d45$74736430$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
	<b1b28df14399cfbbb31121724d6a1e11@chartertn.net>
	<001f01c74d45$74736430$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702101333130.50608@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

Damn, that self-inflicted crotch wound looks nasty!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Dave Croft wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > I'd've called it "Armed & Ready Fero."
> > John Culp
>
> Would this be the man you mean? 8^)
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2701450180028520097uXSjew



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Feb 10 13:06:51 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:06:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Anyone Fluent in Latin? - OT
In-Reply-To: <001f01c74d45$74736430$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <1171080823.45cd4677dd9fe@webmail.city-net.com>
	<b1b28df14399cfbbb31121724d6a1e11@chartertn.net>
	<001f01c74d45$74736430$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <08b7ca7abf7437515a1c4780c0e8779d@chartertn.net>

I'm not sure I'd've posted that pic of Arnie showing off his King Dick.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Feb 10 13:07:52 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:07:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
In-Reply-To: <00b701c74d48$570e0870$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <00b701c74d48$570e0870$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <70a8350dae4b10c9b5b3c2aa4fa53c56@chartertn.net>

How hard are you planning to work it?

On Feb 10, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Paul Maples wrote:

> Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP Vertical Stover will 
> get?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Feb 10 13:15:36 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:15:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
Message-ID: <021020072115.2130.45CE35F7000D3AD900000852219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Paul,
My 5hp Stover does not get that hot while running alone but I would imagine 
warmer if hooked up to a grinder,etc.   I used a black engine block paint 
purchased from an auto supply store. I did not use any primer and have not had 
any paint peel or burn off to date.
Curt


> Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP Vertical Stover will get? Looking 
> at painting the muffler and doing a little fill work on the castings and need an 
> idea of how hot it will get so I can purchase the right material.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 10 14:06:43 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:06:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
References: <021020072115.2130.45CE35F7000D3AD900000852219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <00fe01c74d5f$c075dc90$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Curt, sounds like the 350 degree material I am looking at will work 
fine, I was hoping I would not have to go to the 1000 degree stuff as it is 
more expensive.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get


> Paul,
> My 5hp Stover does not get that hot while running alone but I would 
> imagine
> warmer if hooked up to a grinder,etc.   I used a black engine block paint
> purchased from an auto supply store. I did not use any primer and have not 
> had
> any paint peel or burn off to date.
> Curt
>
>
>> Anyone 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 10 14:08:06 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:08:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
References: <00b701c74d48$570e0870$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<70a8350dae4b10c9b5b3c2aa4fa53c56@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <010301c74d5f$f1c15680$240110ac@FAMILY>

Probably will not work it much if at all John, might belt something to it 
later. One thing about it the muffler comes apart real easy so if I did 
overheat it I could always take it apart and use the higher temperature 
stuff.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get


> How hard are you planning to work it?
>
> On Feb 10, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Paul Maples wrote:
>
>> Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP Vertical Stover will get?
>
>
> 




From wilson at stny.rr.com  Sat Feb 10 15:18:00 2007
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:18:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
In-Reply-To: <015301c74b76$1314e8b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOMEGFDDAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

Any idea what started this?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of R & M
Ingold
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:40 AM
To: List SEL
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed


Every engine nut should see this!
It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.

http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html 

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Feb 10 17:09:36 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:09:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
References: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOMEGFDDAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <02a001c74d79$961b94c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

No idea. It appears to be in UK.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed


> Any idea what started this?
> Glenn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of R & M
> Ingold
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:40 AM
> To: List SEL
> Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
> 
> 
> Every engine nut should see this!
> It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.
> 
> http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html 
> 
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> 
> 
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From edurand at cybertron.com  Sat Feb 10 17:49:25 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:49:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
In-Reply-To: <00b701c74d48$570e0870$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEIGFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Paul:

If it only has to be flat black, just go to your local hardware store and get a small can of brush-on barbeque paint and apply it according to the instructions.  You could probably remove some of the pits by sanding the surface of the paint after it has dried and cured from heat.  Then you could add another coat and repeat the process 'til it's better than new looking.

Anyhoo, that's what I do.

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 01:19 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
> 
> 
> Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP 
> Vertical Stover will get? Looking at painting the 
> muffler and doing a little fill work on the 
> castings and need an idea of how hot it will get 
> so I can purchase the right material.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
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From reb at apex.net  Sat Feb 10 18:45:35 2007
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:45:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
References: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOMEGFDDAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c74d86$b4f351f0$0202a8c0@Dads>

That's enough to make a grown man cry for sure.

Dick Bauer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed


> Any idea what started this?
> Glenn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of R & M
> Ingold
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:40 AM
> To: List SEL
> Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fire in shed
> 
> 
> Every engine nut should see this!
> It makes you realise how vunerable our playpits are.
> 
> http://www.steamcar.net/z-bruin.html 
> 
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> 
> 
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 10 19:44:30 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:44:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEIGFFAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <01ac01c74d8e$f088a410$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Elden


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at cybertron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:49 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get


> Paul:
>
> If it only has to be flat black, just go to your local hardware store and 
> get a small can of brush-on barbeque paint and apply it according to the 
> instructions.  You could probably remove some of the pits by sanding the 
> surface of the paint after it has dried and cured from heat.  Then you 
> could add another coat and repeat the process 'til it's better than new 
> looking.
>

> 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 01:19:34 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:19:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Slightly OT - Cameras
Message-ID: <6f6025160702110119y471a05efh776ba3690fab74f5@mail.gmail.com>

Our collection of cameras is getting rather large, and as we have two of the
Sony Mavica CD-1000 models, we are going to sell one.

If anyone is interested, before we put it on ebay, drop me an email offlist or
onlist if you prefer, the return email address is valid and free from spamtraps.

The CD-1000 is 2.1mp, stores images on 3" CD's in the camera and it has a very
nice zoom lens of 10X Optical and 20X digital. Each CD is 156mb capacity, the
camera has a Tamrac System 3 bag with it, 2 spare batteries, lens
filters, driver
software and manual on CD plus AV and USB cables.

Good review here:

http://www.steves-digicams.com/cd1000.html

The camera is in the USA at present (AZ, 85297)  shipping with
insurance would be about $20-$25.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 11:14:58 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:14:58 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Slightly OT - Cameras
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702110119y471a05efh776ba3690fab74f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160702110119y471a05efh776ba3690fab74f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702111114u149c0edcr2de33f6a2ccd34cc@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/02/07, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Our collection of cameras is getting rather large, and as we have two of the
> Sony Mavica CD-1000 models, we are going to sell one.
>
> If anyone is interested, before we put it on ebay, drop me an email offlist or
> onlist if you prefer, the return email address is valid and free from spamtraps.

Now sold.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Feb 11 11:52:58 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:52:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
In-Reply-To: <200702111700.l1BH05us006398@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200702112214906.SM01412@new.databak.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 11/02/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:19:08 -0600
>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
>
>Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP Vertical Stover will get? 
>Looking at painting the muffler and doing a little fill work on the 
>castings and need an idea of how hot it will get so I can purchase the 
>right material.
>Thanks,
>Paul

Hi Paul,
         I don't know how hot they get but what we do here is sandblast the 
muffler and then paint it with black 2K paint - no primer. I do not know 
what you guys call 2K but it's that 2 component paint that you use on cars 
(paint + hardner). I've never seen any of it peeling off a muffler from heat.
         My aircooled 8 hp Bernard (Madame) gets pretty hot and it was 
burning the heat resistant matte black exhaust paint off. I repainted with 
2K and now no problems.
         Give it a try.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 11 12:59:10 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:59:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
References: <200702112214906.SM01412@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <002f01c74e1f$7ac56ce0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Jerry do you have a name for the product you use?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get


> At 07:00 PM 11/02/2007, you wrote:
>>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:19:08 -0600
>>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>>Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
>>
>>Anyone got an idea how hot a muffler on a 5 HP Vertical Stover will get? 
>>Looking at painting the muffler and doing a little fill work on the 
>>castings and need an idea of how hot it will get so I can purchase the 
>>right material.
>>Thanks,
>>Paul
>
> Hi Paul,
>         I don't know how hot they get but what we do here is sandblast the 
> muffler and then paint it with black 2K paint - no primer. I do not know 
> what you guys call 2K but it's that 2 component paint that you use on cars 
> (paint + hardner). I've never seen any of it peeling off a muffler from 
> heat.
>         My aircooled 8 hp Bernard (Madame) gets pretty hot and it was 
> burning the heat resistant matte black exhaust paint off. I repainted with 
> 2K and now no problems.
>         Give it a try.
>
>
> 




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Feb 11 04:48:31 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:48:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
References: <021020072115.2130.45CE35F7000D3AD900000852219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <006601c74dda$f0648fc0$72d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

Last year I sandblasted and painted the exhaust system off my Titan tractor. 
I used a ceramic paint from AutoZone--it costs about $8 a can. So far only 
one small spot of rust and I have had this tractor really hot a couple of 
times.

John Hall 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 00:06:08 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:06:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] How Hot Does a Muffler Get
In-Reply-To: <006601c74dda$f0648fc0$72d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <021020072115.2130.45CE35F7000D3AD900000852219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<006601c74dda$f0648fc0$72d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702120006p63bf19ceq4b469db58ff474d2@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/02/07, John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Last year I sandblasted and painted the exhaust system off my Titan tractor.
> I used a ceramic paint from AutoZone--it costs about $8 a can. So far only
> one small spot of rust and I have had this tractor really hot a couple of
> times.
>
> John Hall

If you ask your shotblaster to do hot Zinc spray immediately after
blasting, that will keep it almost permanently rust-free.

We use that process a lot now and find that it does keep rust away for
ever, even on items that are outdoors 24/7 like the trailer.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Feb 12 16:01:52 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:01:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Mystery engine
Message-ID: <20070213000154.PDUP18620.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

This is an interesting looking engine:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/graceng%20000.jpg

So far no one has been able to identify the manufacturer. Does any one have
any ideas as we are all stumped!
More pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherenginesdunno1.html

Any help greatly appreciated.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb 12 16:12:32 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:12:32 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Mystery engine
References: <20070213000154.PDUP18620.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000b01c74f03$a94c13e0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:01 AM
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Mystery engine


> This is an interesting looking engine:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/graceng%20000.jpg
>
> So far no one has been able to identify the manufacturer. Does any one have
> any ideas as we are all stumped!
> More pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherenginesdunno1.html
>
> Any help greatly appreciated.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

Hi Patrick, I have been collecting for nearly 30 years but I haven't seen an engine anything like it
in England or Denmark.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb 12 16:34:26 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:34:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine
In-Reply-To: <20070213000154.PDUP18620.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20070213000154.PDUP18620.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <45D10792.8090200@scrtc.com>

You got me on those Patrick.  The cart certainly looks like its of 
Australian origin (reminds me of the Austral carts, very heavy duty).  
The engine is a heavy hunk of iron as well.  It looks just the opposite 
of engines here in the US.  Often rusty on the outside but not real bad 
on the inside.  The baby you photograph doesn't look so rough on the 
outside, but sure looks crusty on the inside (crank, governor, gearing, 
etc.).  The upright is another one that I've never seen before (probably 
one just like it in the shed across the road though..... I say this 
because just when you think you've never seen one before, two will show 
up at the next engine show or swap meet).

Tommy Turner

Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

>This is an interesting looking engine:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/graceng%20000.jpg
>
>So far no one has been able to identify the manufacturer. Does any one have
>any ideas as we are all stumped!
>More pics at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherenginesdunno1.html
>
>Any help greatly appreciated.
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 12 22:36:09 2007
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:36:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Another model builder
Message-ID: <BAY127-F37E4F40640390599775EA2CB900@phx.gbl>

http://www.jokerracewear.com/web/Ferrari.wmv




Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted 
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
thereafter."
E. Hemingway

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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Mon Feb 12 23:14:20 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:14:20 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Another model builder
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F37E4F40640390599775EA2CB900@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <067e01c74f3e$94b75d00$8335c53e@doc>

That's kind of magical, isn't it?

Thanks for sharing.

     Pete
-- 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bruce Younger
> Sent: 13 February 2007 06:36
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Another model builder
> 
> http://www.jokerracewear.com/web/Ferrari.wmv
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce Younger
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
> Madison, SD
> sluggo54 at hotmail.com
> 
> "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that 
> have hunted 
> armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
> thereafter."
> E. Hemingway
> 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 23:42:31 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:42:31 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ray Hooley is moving
Message-ID: <6f6025160702122342p1b17827ve20489424bd34251@mail.gmail.com>

Ray will be off-line for a few weeks while he moves house.

His contact details have been removed from his webpages, and a notice
put on the first page.

He asks if any queries could be put on hold until him and wife Anne
have got the move over with.

He has an enormous quantity of paperwork and items to get sorted and moved!

Thanks,

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From page at velocitynet.com.au  Tue Feb 13 00:33:13 2007
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:33:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Another model builder
References: <BAY127-F37E4F40640390599775EA2CB900@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00a201c74f49$9a22fe60$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Isn't that something else.  Thanks

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Younger" <sluggo54 at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: [SEL] Another model builder


> http://www.jokerracewear.com/web/Ferrari.wmv
>
>
>
>
> Bruce Younger
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
> Madison, SD
> sluggo54 at hotmail.com
>
> "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted
> armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else
> thereafter."
> E. Hemingway
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Feb 13 03:39:50 2007
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:39:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Way Engine info needed
Message-ID: <021320071139.895.45D1A3860008BD4F0000037F219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

I am looking for any manuals, parts literature & specs on New Way Engines up 
to 8HP.
thank you in advance.
Curt Andree


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Feb 13 14:19:29 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:19:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ray Hooley is moving
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702122342p1b17827ve20489424bd34251@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160702122342p1b17827ve20489424bd34251@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1171405169.45d23971f0ae5@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Peter,

Is he moving the collection of paper / memorabilia to a more secure location
than his garden shed?  I'm thinking of something with stout doors, alarms,
climate control...

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> Ray will be off-line for a few weeks while he moves house.
> 
> His contact details have been removed from his webpages, and a notice
> put on the first page.
> 
> He asks if any queries could be put on hold until him and wife Anne
> have got the move over with.
> 
> He has an enormous quantity of paperwork and items to get sorted and moved!




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Feb 13 15:24:20 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:24:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ray Hooley is moving
In-Reply-To: <1171405169.45d23971f0ae5@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <6f6025160702122342p1b17827ve20489424bd34251@mail.gmail.com>
	<1171405169.45d23971f0ae5@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702131524v7931ef86oa15a92cf529d0414@mail.gmail.com>

On 13/02/07, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Is he moving the collection of paper / memorabilia to a more secure location
> than his garden shed?  I'm thinking of something with stout doors, alarms,
> climate control...
>
> See ya,  Arnie

I guess so, but he had 2 TONS of peperwork at one time, including the
Clayton & Shuttleworth archives. I know he was trying to get
Lincolnshire County Council to help with storage, but not a lot
happened.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Feb 14 11:47:00 2007
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
Message-ID: <000d01c75070$e5942900$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

In the next few months I think we are going to see 
a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As 
you know the price of copper has tripled in price this 
past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
several years has been making low tension coils tells
me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
 He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until 
last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
 then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10 
more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not 
a very profitable venture..


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Feb 14 12:16:29 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:16:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <000d01c75070$e5942900$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <000d01c75070$e5942900$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <45D36E1D.5060409@imc-group.com>

Charlie,
Price of copper has come down about 30% from the high last year. Try 
buying 4 million pounds of copper every month and see what that does to 
your cash flow. A few years ago we were buying copper for .97 per pound. 
At the peak is was over $3 a pound. Now it's back around $2. Our cash 
flow went from needing 4 million $ every month to 12 million $ almost 
overnight. THAT will crimp your style!
What's sad is that the coil makers were making coils from copper bought 
at a buck a pound and they continued to sell at the old price even 
though the metal cost was three times that. Now that inventories have 
run out they are getting a bit of a shock when they go to replace that 
wire. Ouch!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Charles R Bryant wrote:
> In the next few months I think we are going to see 
> a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As 
> you know the price of copper has tripled in price this 
> past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> several years has been making low tension coils tells
> me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until 
> last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
> for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10 
> more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not 
> a very profitable venture..
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>   



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Feb 14 12:22:19 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:22:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL members near Jacksonville, FL.....
Message-ID: <45D36F7B.4040904@imc-group.com>

Are there an listers near Jacksonville, FL?
Curt Holland


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Feb 14 13:16:23 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:16:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
Message-ID: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Charlie.
What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
close to scrap price.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
<mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
> In the next few months I think we are going to see 
> a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As 
> you know the price of copper has tripled in price this 
> past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> several years has been making low tension coils tells
> me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until 
> last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
> for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10 
> more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not 
> 
> a very profitable venture..


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 14 17:37:32 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:37:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
Message-ID: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>

Well gang the longer you stay in this hobby the more you learn...right?

I got a real good deal on a set of cast iron wheels, flat spoked, and they arrived today. I plan on using these on a cart I will build later for my 5 HP Lister.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels002.jpg

When the wheels arrived today I open the first box of four and was looking at the wheel and I saw a crack. I thought "Darn" the guy sold me a wheel with a cracked rim, oh well I will get it welded.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/WheelWeld.jpg

I then opened up the other three wheels and "Quadruple Darn", all of the wheels had cracked rims. I begin to look more closely at the cracks to see how bad they were and I noticed that the crack on the face of the rim did not line up with the crack on the inter-face of the rim. I then saw that the metal had been scarfed (Over-lapped) and it was then a light turned on in this hole riddled brain of mine....these wheels have been forged welded (Hammer Welded)

Anyone got any idea how old these flat spoked wheels are that had the rims forged welded together?

Just curious.

Paul



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Wed Feb 14 18:14:58 2007
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:14:58 EST
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
Message-ID: <c73.ca2b91f.33051c22@aol.com>

 
Hi Paul,
In looking at your wheels, I suspect they are iron or steel, not cast  iron.  
I don't think you can forge weld cast iron and also, when I look at  the ends 
of the spokes as they poke through the rim, it appears they have been  
hammered over like rivets to hold the spokes to the rim.  Cast iron doesn't  respond 
well to being hammered.  It will shatter rather than spread.
 
All this is speculation on my part as I am no expert.
 
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri
 
 
In a message dated 2/14/2007 8:02:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:

Well  gang the longer you stay in this hobby the more you learn...right?

I  got a real good deal on a set of cast iron wheels, flat spoked, and they  
arrived today. I plan on using these on a cart I will build later for my 5 HP  
Lister.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels002.jpg

When  the wheels arrived today I open the first box of four and was looking 
at the  wheel and I saw a crack. I thought "Darn" the guy sold me a wheel with 
a  cracked rim, oh well I will get it  welded.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/WheelWeld.jpg

I  then opened up the other three wheels and "Quadruple Darn", all of the 
wheels  had cracked rims. I begin to look more closely at the cracks to see how 
bad  they were and I noticed that the crack on the face of the rim did not line 
up  with the crack on the inter-face of the rim. I then saw that the metal 
had  been scarfed (Over-lapped) and it was then a light turned on in this hole  
riddled brain of mine....these wheels have been forged welded (Hammer  Welded)

Anyone got any idea how old these flat spoked wheels are that  had the rims 
forged welded together?

Just  curious.

Paul







From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 14 18:39:55 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:39:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <c73.ca2b91f.33051c22@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00f801c750aa$94592100$240110ac@FAMILY>

Heck Ron, I agree with you, it was just more of my ignorance that used the 
words Cast Iron, don't ask me why.

Have you seen forged welded wheels before?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MaytagTwin at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels


>
> Hi Paul,
> In looking at your wheels, I suspect they are iron or steel, not cast 
> iron.
> I don't think you can forge weld cast iron and also, when I look at  the 
> ends
> of the spokes as they poke through the rim, it appears they have been
> hammered over like rivets to hold the spokes to the rim.  Cast iron 
> doesn't  respond
> well to being hammered.  It will shatter rather than spread.
>
> All this is speculation on my part as I am no expert.
>
> Regards,
> Ron Carroll




From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Wed Feb 14 19:22:38 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:22:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <004801c750b0$8c8d86e0$76b6123f@D8LJ7K91>

Paul,

 Anything older than 1930 is likely to be hammer welded.  I have a lot of 
cart wheels with similar rim welds.Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels


Well gang the longer you stay in this hobby the more you learn...right?

I got a real good deal on a set of cast iron wheels, flat spoked, and they 
arrived today. I plan on using these on a cart I will build later for my 5 
HP Lister.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels002.jpg

When the wheels arrived today I open the first box of four and was looking 
at the wheel and I saw a crack. I thought "Darn" the guy sold me a wheel 
with a cracked rim, oh well I will get it welded.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/WheelWeld.jpg

I then opened up the other three wheels and "Quadruple Darn", all of the 
wheels had cracked rims. I begin to look more closely at the cracks to see 
how bad they were and I noticed that the crack on the face of the rim did 
not line up with the crack on the inter-face of the rim. I then saw that the 
metal had been scarfed (Over-lapped) and it was then a light turned on in 
this hole riddled brain of mine....these wheels have been forged welded 
(Hammer Welded)

Anyone got any idea how old these flat spoked wheels are that had the rims 
forged welded together?

Just curious.

Paul

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http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 14 19:36:36 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:36:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<004801c750b0$8c8d86e0$76b6123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <014101c750b2$7f50c8f0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Glen,

It seems strange to me if they could cast the main part of the rim why they 
could not cast the whole rim without it having to hammer welded. I 
appreciate the response as this is comforting. I take it that these welds 
are plenty good as they are and need no further re-inforcing by additional 
welding?

Thanks,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels


> Paul,
>
> Anything older than 1930 is likely to be hammer welded.  I have a lot of 
> cart wheels with similar rim welds.Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 14 19:50:43 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:50:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] More Pictures of the Iron Wheels
Message-ID: <014901c750b4$786181e0$240110ac@FAMILY>

I appreciate the response of those who have wrote in and assured me that these forged welds are original for early made wheels. For those who have not seen any like me here are a couple of more pictures of the wheel.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Ironwheel1.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel2.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel3.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel4.jpg

Paul



From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Feb 14 20:15:12 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:15:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] More Pictures of the Iron Wheels
In-Reply-To: <014901c750b4$786181e0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <200702150415.l1F4FKm9095490@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:51 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] More Pictures of the Iron Wheels

I appreciate the response of those who have wrote in and assured me that
these forged welds are original for early made wheels. For those who have
not seen any like me here are a couple of more pictures of the wheel.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Ironwheel1.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel2.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel3.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel4.jpg

Paul

~~~~~~~~~~

You have some good wheels there, Paul.  You will appreciate the recessed
riveted ends of the spokes.  I have some cart wheels with protruding spoke
ends.  They are a pain when wheeling engines over smooth concrete.  They'd
rather slide than roll. 

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   






From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Feb 14 20:16:01 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:16:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
In-Reply-To: <014101c750b2$7f50c8f0$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>	<004801c750b0$8c8d86e0$76b6123f@D8LJ7K91>
	<014101c750b2$7f50c8f0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <45D3DE81.6090609@scrtc.com>

Paul,
    They'll hold up fine under an old engine.  These look like binder 
wheels (used on IH binders) as I've got probably 10 sets of them and 
they make nice engine trucks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Paul Maples wrote:

> Thanks Glen,
>
> It seems strange to me if they could cast the main part of the rim why 
> they could not cast the whole rim without it having to hammer welded. 
> I appreciate the response as this is comforting. I take it that these 
> welds are plenty good as they are and need no further re-inforcing by 
> additional welding?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Feb 14 20:19:27 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:19:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info from Kentucky
Message-ID: <45D3DF4F.3040205@scrtc.com>

OK folks, I just got this info from a friend of mine.  Now you'll know 
how to refer to us old iron lovers from KY:

Because of the climate of political correctness now pervading America,
those of us in KENTUCKY will no longer be referred to as HILLBILLIES.

We ask that you now refer to us as BLUEGRASS-AMERICANS.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Feb 14 21:31:56 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:31:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Info from Kentucky
In-Reply-To: <45D3DF4F.3040205@scrtc.com>
References: <45D3DF4F.3040205@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <ECFE2775-FFD9-4704-BA7A-2376F7E396F0@rustyiron.com>


On Feb 14, 2007, at 8:19 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> OK folks, I just got this info from a friend of mine.  Now you'll  
> know how to refer to us old iron lovers from KY:
>
> Because of the climate of political correctness now pervading America,
> those of us in KENTUCKY will no longer be referred to as HILLBILLIES.
>
> We ask that you now refer to us as BLUEGRASS-AMERICANS.


Hi Tommy!
The following is meant for educational purposes and is in no way  
meant to circumvent the written test administered by the KY DMV:

Kentucky Drivers Test


1. When a police car approaches you from the rear, lights flashing,  
you should:

a.  pull over to the side of the road and stop until it has passed.
b.   change lanes to give it the right-of-way.
c.  yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.

2. When driving in dangerous conditions or inclement weather, you  
should:

a.  be especially careful to observe the speed limit.
b.   drive more slowly than the speed limit, if conditions so merit.
c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.

3. When approaching a railroad crossing, you should:

a.  stop if there are red lights flashing.
b.   slow down and exercise caution even if there are no lights  
flashing.
c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.

4. If you are involved in an accident, you are required by law to:

a.  stop and exchange insurance information with the others involved.
b.   immediately place a call to a local law enforcement agency.
c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.

5. At an intersection controlled by stoplights, a green arrow  
indicates that you may:

a.  make a protected turn.
b.   proceed only if there are no other cars waiting.
c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.

6. If a child under four is riding in the car with you, you must:

a.  make sure that he or she is sitting and wearing a seatbelt.
b.   make sure that he or she is sitting in an approved crash-safety  
seat.
c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.

7. The blood-alcohol limit for legal driving is:

a.  0.10 percent.
b.  0.08 percent.
c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.





:-)







From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Feb 14 21:55:25 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:55:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info from Kentucky
In-Reply-To: <ECFE2775-FFD9-4704-BA7A-2376F7E396F0@rustyiron.com>
References: <45D3DF4F.3040205@scrtc.com>
	<ECFE2775-FFD9-4704-BA7A-2376F7E396F0@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <45D3F5CD.3010602@scrtc.com>

All I can say Rob is YEEE- HAAA!   I heard a police officer say that he 
went to an accident scene once and there was this elderly gent who had 
plowed into the side of a lady  driving an expensive auto.  The lady 
said, "he never slowed down and I had the right of way, he was supposed 
to yield"  The old gent said "I don't think its my fault lady cause I 
yield at you 3 times and you just kept coming!"

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Rob Skinner wrote:

>
> On Feb 14, 2007, at 8:19 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> OK folks, I just got this info from a friend of mine.  Now you'll  
>> know how to refer to us old iron lovers from KY:
>>
>> Because of the climate of political correctness now pervading America,
>> those of us in KENTUCKY will no longer be referred to as HILLBILLIES.
>>
>> We ask that you now refer to us as BLUEGRASS-AMERICANS.
>
>
>
> Hi Tommy!
> The following is meant for educational purposes and is in no way  
> meant to circumvent the written test administered by the KY DMV:
>
> Kentucky Drivers Test
>
>
> 1. When a police car approaches you from the rear, lights flashing,  
> you should:
>
> a.  pull over to the side of the road and stop until it has passed.
> b.   change lanes to give it the right-of-way.
> c.  yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
> 2. When driving in dangerous conditions or inclement weather, you  
> should:
>
> a.  be especially careful to observe the speed limit.
> b.   drive more slowly than the speed limit, if conditions so merit.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
> 3. When approaching a railroad crossing, you should:
>
> a.  stop if there are red lights flashing.
> b.   slow down and exercise caution even if there are no lights  
> flashing.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
> 4. If you are involved in an accident, you are required by law to:
>
> a.  stop and exchange insurance information with the others involved.
> b.   immediately place a call to a local law enforcement agency.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
> 5. At an intersection controlled by stoplights, a green arrow  
> indicates that you may:
>
> a.  make a protected turn.
> b.   proceed only if there are no other cars waiting.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
> 6. If a child under four is riding in the car with you, you must:
>
> a.  make sure that he or she is sitting and wearing a seatbelt.
> b.   make sure that he or she is sitting in an approved crash-safety  
> seat.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
> 7. The blood-alcohol limit for legal driving is:
>
> a.  0.10 percent.
> b.  0.08 percent.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
>
>
>
>
>
> :-)
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Feb 14 22:29:27 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:29:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Info from Kentucky
References: <45D3DF4F.3040205@scrtc.com>
	<ECFE2775-FFD9-4704-BA7A-2376F7E396F0@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <009c01c750ca$a9516c50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Ya got that from Oz, didnt ya?
(Just read our court reports!)
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info from Kentucky


> 
> On Feb 14, 2007, at 8:19 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> 
>> OK folks, I just got this info from a friend of mine.  Now you'll  
>> know how to refer to us old iron lovers from KY:
>>
>> Because of the climate of political correctness now pervading America,
>> those of us in KENTUCKY will no longer be referred to as HILLBILLIES.
>>
>> We ask that you now refer to us as BLUEGRASS-AMERICANS.
> 
> 
> Hi Tommy!
> The following is meant for educational purposes and is in no way  
> meant to circumvent the written test administered by the KY DMV:
> 
> Kentucky Drivers Test
> 
> 
> 1. When a police car approaches you from the rear, lights flashing,  
> you should:
> 
> a.  pull over to the side of the road and stop until it has passed.
> b.   change lanes to give it the right-of-way.
> c.  yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 2. When driving in dangerous conditions or inclement weather, you  
> should:
> 
> a.  be especially careful to observe the speed limit.
> b.   drive more slowly than the speed limit, if conditions so merit.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 3. When approaching a railroad crossing, you should:
> 
> a.  stop if there are red lights flashing.
> b.   slow down and exercise caution even if there are no lights  
> flashing.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 4. If you are involved in an accident, you are required by law to:
> 
> a.  stop and exchange insurance information with the others involved.
> b.   immediately place a call to a local law enforcement agency.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 5. At an intersection controlled by stoplights, a green arrow  
> indicates that you may:
> 
> a.  make a protected turn.
> b.   proceed only if there are no other cars waiting.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 6. If a child under four is riding in the car with you, you must:
> 
> a.  make sure that he or she is sitting and wearing a seatbelt.
> b.   make sure that he or she is sitting in an approved crash-safety  
> seat.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 7. The blood-alcohol limit for legal driving is:
> 
> a.  0.10 percent.
> b.  0.08 percent.
> c.   yell "Yeee-haaa!" and floor it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Feb 15 03:07:38 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 04:07:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Info from Kentucky
References: <45D3DF4F.3040205@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV7A793BFDDD56ABD24E5D2BB960@phx.gbl>






> OK folks, I just got this info from a friend of mine.  Now you'll know 
> how to refer to us old iron lovers from KY:
> 
> Because of the climate of political correctness now pervading America,
> those of us in KENTUCKY will no longer be referred to as HILLBILLIES.
> 
> We ask that you now refer to us as BLUEGRASS-AMERICANS.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY


  OMG..wonder what sheep luvin' Montanan's would be???


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Feb 14 19:44:30 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:44:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<004801c750b0$8c8d86e0$76b6123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <000001c750f6$d3e1b570$0601a8c0@altech>

Kaye's grand father used to be a blacksmith in this area, he forge welded 
most stuff, I have examples of it that have survived. I also have the post 
drill, swage block and forge tools from the original balcksmith's shop. The 
anvil was stolen during WW2 while the men were away fighting. I guess the 
shop dates back to the late 1800's - 1940's.
I was told a story by Kaye's father of how his father forge welded a prop 
shaft from a tug boat in the Clarence River, where we  live. The shaft was 
6" in diameter and they aligned the shaft, setup the fire heating both ends 
and the finished job was a perfectly welded and aligned shaft.

Peter, Oz






> Paul,
>
> Anything older than 1930 is likely to be hammer welded.  I have a lot of 
> cart wheels with similar rim welds.Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA

>
>
> Well gang the longer you stay in this hobby the more you learn...right?
>
> I got a real good deal on a set of cast iron wheels, flat spoked, and they 
> arrived today. I plan on using these on a cart I will build later for my 5 
> HP Lister.
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels002.jpg
>
> When the wheels arrived today I open the first box of four and was looking 
> at the wheel and I saw a crack. I thought "Darn" the guy sold me a wheel 
> with a cracked rim, oh well I will get it welded.
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/WheelWeld.jpg
>
> I then opened up the other three wheels and "Quadruple Darn", all of the 
> wheels had cracked rims. I begin to look more closely at the cracks to see 
> how bad they were and I noticed that the crack on the face of the rim did 
> not line up with the crack on the inter-face of the rim. I then saw that 
> the metal had been scarfed (Over-lapped) and it was then a light turned on 
> in this hole riddled brain of mine....these wheels have been forged welded 
> (Hammer Welded)
>
> Anyone got any idea how old these flat spoked wheels are that had the rims 
> forged welded together?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Paul




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Feb 15 05:30:01 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:30:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
In-Reply-To: <014101c750b2$7f50c8f0$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<004801c750b0$8c8d86e0$76b6123f@D8LJ7K91>
	<014101c750b2$7f50c8f0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702150829120.95068@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hey Paul,

The only part of that wheel that's cast iron is maybe the center hub.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Paul Maples wrote:

> It seems strange to me if they could cast the main part of the rim why they
> could not cast the whole rim without it having to hammer welded. I
> appreciate the response as this is comforting. I take it that these welds
> are plenty good as they are and need no further re-inforcing by additional
> welding?



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Feb 15 06:26:34 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:26:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More Pictures of the Iron Wheels
In-Reply-To: <014901c750b4$786181e0$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <014901c750b4$786181e0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <45D46D9A.5020604@imc-group.com>

Paul,
All the steel rimmed old wheels I've seen are hammer welded as you've 
noticed. You asked about why not casting the rim......it is a durability 
and cost issue. Picture the kind of ruts and logs these engine carts 
were pulled over a 100 years ago. Steel rims would flex and bend a 
little and continue on. Occasional corrections with a hammer would make 
it all good again. Cast rims are brittle and the only solution is to 
beef the thickness up considerably to compensate and this drove the cost 
sky high. Cast iron must have been cheap in Oz as you see a lot of large 
cast rimmed wheels there.
Looking at your wheels I think I see the remnants of a single large hot 
rivet in the center of the hammer weld. I've not seen this before as 
most are simply hammer welded only.
A while back I was contemplating making some wheels from scratch as I 
couldn't seem to find a pair of 24" Hercules cart wheels after looking a 
couple of years. Dug up some articles on the manufacturing method as I 
was convinced the steel spokes were cast into the hub. Sure enough that 
was the case. It seems the green sand molds would not support the spokes 
well enough so they developed water cooled D2 steel cavity dies to pour 
the cast iron into. (You'd think they would have used H13).
As I recall when IHC moved away from the knobby style wheel hub to the 
zigzig style they incorporated this steel cavity die molding method. The 
spokes were upset (forged) with a "mushroom" on the hub end and a flange 
on the other end about a 1/2" back from the end. The spokes were 
populated into the open hub casting mold, the mold closed, and the cast 
iron poured in.
The rims were made from flat stock and in the case of your rims were hot 
rolled thru a set of rollers to create the sunken area. Spoke holes were 
punched at the correct interval along the proper length piece of steel. 
Then they were cold rolled on a 3 roll rolling machine into a slightly 
larger than needed circle. The hub/spoke assy was married to the rim and 
the rim was closed until it bottomed on all the spoke flanges. The rim 
was then hammer welded. Then they had a machine they put the wheel 
assembly in and it gripped/supported the back of the flange on the spoke 
and a "hammer" device that looked a lot like a chisel came out and 
hammered the end of the spoke, spreading it flat to retain the rim. This 
chisel tool rotated as it hammered, leaving the surface with a radial 
pattern of lines across the face. If you are lucky enough to find some 
really nice old wheels you can still see this pattern.

Glad you found some wheels. What are you going to use for a 5th wheel? 
If you make one from scratch make sure the front axle assy can pivot 
side to side, otherwise uneven ground will put tremendous loads on your 
engine base casting and possibly break it. I've been thinking about 
making a couple of patterns for a generic 5th wheel for small carts (8 
or10" wheels). Missy's New Way engine needs a cart. I have some nice 
cast wheels but don't have the 5th wheel yet. I kind of like the design 
of the Rock Island cart fifth wheel system.
See ya,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:
> I appreciate the response of those who have wrote in and assured me that these forged welds are original for early made wheels. For those who have not seen any like me here are a couple of more pictures of the wheel.
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Ironwheel1.jpg
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel2.jpg
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel3.jpg
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel4.jpg
>
> Paul
>
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>
>
>   



From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Feb 15 06:53:26 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:53:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
In-Reply-To: <c73.ca2b91f.33051c22@aol.com>
References: <c73.ca2b91f.33051c22@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070215094544.02e49480@pop3.wcoil.com>

A third option for the metal but less likely might be wrought Iron for the 
bands. Look at the metal closely and see if you can see what looks like 
layering of the metal. A sure sign of wrought.  You see wheels made like 
this more often then you might think.  Most folks just don't notice the 
lapped forged seam. Or if they do notice don't give it a second thought 
after deciding they are not cracks.              TTYL,  Mark


At 09:14 PM 2/14/07, you wrote:
>
>Hi Paul,
>In looking at your wheels, I suspect they are iron or steel, not cast  iron.
>I don't think you can forge weld cast iron and also, when I look at  the ends
>of the spokes as they poke through the rim, it appears they have been
>hammered over like rivets to hold the spokes to the rim.  Cast iron 
>doesn't  respond
>well to being hammered.  It will shatter rather than spread.
>
>All this is speculation on my part as I am no expert.
>
>Regards,
>Ron Carroll
>Clearmont, Missouri
>
>
>In a message dated 2/14/2007 8:02:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>Well  gang the longer you stay in this hobby the more you learn...right?
>
>I  got a real good deal on a set of cast iron wheels, flat spoked, and they
>arrived today. I plan on using these on a cart I will build later for my 5 
>HP
>Lister.
>
>http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels002.jpg
>
>When  the wheels arrived today I open the first box of four and was looking
>at the  wheel and I saw a crack. I thought "Darn" the guy sold me a wheel 
>with
>a  cracked rim, oh well I will get it  welded.
>
>http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/WheelWeld.jpg
>
>I  then opened up the other three wheels and "Quadruple Darn", all of the
>wheels  had cracked rims. I begin to look more closely at the cracks to 
>see how
>bad  they were and I noticed that the crack on the face of the rim did not 
>line
>up  with the crack on the inter-face of the rim. I then saw that the metal
>had  been scarfed (Over-lapped) and it was then a light turned on in this 
>hole
>riddled brain of mine....these wheels have been forged welded (Hammer  Welded)
>
>Anyone got any idea how old these flat spoked wheels are that  had the rims
>forged welded together?
>
>Just  curious.
>
>Paul
>
>
>
>
>
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454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
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them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Feb 15 09:00:04 2007
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:00:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] More Pictures of the Iron Wheels
References: <014901c750b4$786181e0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<45D46D9A.5020604@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c75122$c1599540$4a83fb40@HP28276676518>

Curt,

Thanks for the education on how these old wheels were made.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] More Pictures of the Iron Wheels


> Paul,
> All the steel rimmed old wheels I've seen are hammer welded as you've 
> noticed. You asked about why not casting the rim......it is a durability 
> and cost issue. Picture the kind of ruts and logs these engine carts were 
> pulled over a 100 years ago. Steel rims would flex and bend a little and 
> continue on. Occasional corrections with a hammer would make it all good 
> again. Cast rims are brittle and the only solution is to beef the 
> thickness up considerably to compensate and this drove the cost sky high. 
> Cast iron must have been cheap in Oz as you see a lot of large cast rimmed 
> wheels there.
> Looking at your wheels I think I see the remnants of a single large hot 
> rivet in the center of the hammer weld. I've not seen this before as most 
> are simply hammer welded only.
> A while back I was contemplating making some wheels from scratch as I 
> couldn't seem to find a pair of 24" Hercules cart wheels after looking a 
> couple of years. Dug up some articles on the manufacturing method as I was 
> convinced the steel spokes were cast into the hub. Sure enough that was 
> the case. It seems the green sand molds would not support the spokes well 
> enough so they developed water cooled D2 steel cavity dies to pour the 
> cast iron into. (You'd think they would have used H13).
> As I recall when IHC moved away from the knobby style wheel hub to the 
> zigzig style they incorporated this steel cavity die molding method. The 
> spokes were upset (forged) with a "mushroom" on the hub end and a flange 
> on the other end about a 1/2" back from the end. The spokes were populated 
> into the open hub casting mold, the mold closed, and the cast iron poured 
> in.
> The rims were made from flat stock and in the case of your rims were hot 
> rolled thru a set of rollers to create the sunken area. Spoke holes were 
> punched at the correct interval along the proper length piece of steel. 
> Then they were cold rolled on a 3 roll rolling machine into a slightly 
> larger than needed circle. The hub/spoke assy was married to the rim and 
> the rim was closed until it bottomed on all the spoke flanges. The rim was 
> then hammer welded. Then they had a machine they put the wheel assembly in 
> and it gripped/supported the back of the flange on the spoke and a 
> "hammer" device that looked a lot like a chisel came out and hammered the 
> end of the spoke, spreading it flat to retain the rim. This chisel tool 
> rotated as it hammered, leaving the surface with a radial pattern of lines 
> across the face. If you are lucky enough to find some really nice old 
> wheels you can still see this pattern.
>
> Glad you found some wheels. What are you going to use for a 5th wheel? If 
> you make one from scratch make sure the front axle assy can pivot side to 
> side, otherwise uneven ground will put tremendous loads on your engine 
> base casting and possibly break it. I've been thinking about making a 
> couple of patterns for a generic 5th wheel for small carts (8 or10" 
> wheels). Missy's New Way engine needs a cart. I have some nice cast wheels 
> but don't have the 5th wheel yet. I kind of like the design of the Rock 
> Island cart fifth wheel system.
> See ya,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Paul Maples wrote:
>> I appreciate the response of those who have wrote in and assured me that 
>> these forged welds are original for early made wheels. For those who have 
>> not seen any like me here are a couple of more pictures of the wheel.
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Ironwheel1.jpg
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel2.jpg
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel3.jpg
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/IronWheel4.jpg
>>
>> Paul
>>
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>>
>>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 15 10:39:59 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:39:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY>	<004801c750b0$8c8d86e0$76b6123f@D8LJ7K91><014101c750b2$7f50c8f0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<45D3DE81.6090609@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <001901c75130$b4d77e50$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Tommy,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels


> Paul,
>    They'll hold up fine under an old engine.  These look like binder 
> wheels (used on IH binders) as I've got probably 10 sets of them and 
> they make nice engine trucks.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 15 10:55:47 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:55:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <c73.ca2b91f.33051c22@aol.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070215094544.02e49480@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c75132$eaf703a0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Mark.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels


>A third option for the metal but less likely might be wrought Iron for the 
>bands. Look at the metal closely and see if you can see what looks like 
>layering of the metal. A sure sign of wrought.  You see wheels made like 
>this more often then you might think.  Most folks just don't notice the 
>lapped forged seam. Or if they do notice don't give it a second thought 
>after deciding they are not cracks.              TTYL,  Mark
>
>
> 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 15 10:57:25 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:57:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels
References: <00d601c750a1$dd838810$240110ac@FAMILY><004801c750b0$8c8d86e0$76b6123f@D8LJ7K91>
	<000001c750f6$d3e1b570$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <00cf01c75133$23350e10$240110ac@FAMILY>

Good info and a good story, thanks Peter.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My Ignorance - Forged Welded Wheels


> Kaye's grand father used to be a blacksmith in this area, he forge welded 
> most stuff, I have examples of it that have survived. I also have the post 
> drill, swage block and forge tools from the original balcksmith's shop. 
> The anvil was stolen during WW2 while the men were away fighting. I guess 
> the shop dates back to the late 1800's - 1940's.
> I was told a story by Kaye's father of how his father forge welded a prop 
> shaft from a tug boat in the Clarence River, where we  live. The shaft was 
> 6" in diameter and they aligned the shaft, setup the fire heating both 
> ends and the finished job was a perfectly welded and aligned shaft.
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> Anything older than 1930 is likely to be hammer welded.  I have a lot of 
>> cart wheels with similar rim welds.Glenn Karch
>> Hercules Historian
>> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
>
>>
>>
>> Well gang the longer you stay in this hobby the more you learn...right?
>>
>> I got a real good deal on a set of cast iron wheels, flat spoked, and 
>> they arrived today. I plan on using these on a cart I will build later 
>> for my 5 HP Lister.
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels002.jpg
>>
>> When the wheels arrived today I open the first box of four and was 
>> looking at the wheel and I saw a crack. I thought "Darn" the guy sold me 
>> a wheel with a cracked rim, oh well I will get it welded.
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/WheelWeld.jpg
>>
>> I then opened up the other three wheels and "Quadruple Darn", all of the 
>> wheels had cracked rims. I begin to look more closely at the cracks to 
>> see how bad they were and I noticed that the crack on the face of the rim 
>> did not line up with the crack on the inter-face of the rim. I then saw 
>> that the metal had been scarfed (Over-lapped) and it was then a light 
>> turned on in this hole riddled brain of mine....these wheels have been 
>> forged welded (Hammer Welded)
>>
>> Anyone got any idea how old these flat spoked wheels are that had the 
>> rims forged welded together?
>>
>> Just curious.
>>
>> Paul
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Feb 15 17:50:09 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:50:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Help from Skype users world wide OT
Message-ID: <000301c7516c$ca636d60$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi All

I am running a SKYPE computer class tonight in Australia, I teach computers 
for a living, and I am after those who will be online at around 7.30pm 
tonight Oz time.

I have a class of 6 and I want to show them conferencing and then allow them 
to chat 1 on1  across Oz, UK, USA.

Also those who have video would be useful also.

My Skype name is ozengines if you want to hook up.

I will also be using Google Talk and my address for that is 
ozengines at gmail.com

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Feb 15 18:14:02 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:14:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Setup
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070215211249.04928158@mail.alltel.net>

Any more opinions on the Portland setup? If so, let me know and I'll pass 
them on.
	Dave



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Feb 16 00:12:20 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:12:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Only in Aus.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070216100758.00aa3a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Better not mess with the Aussies - look what they do for fun :-)

<http://www.canada.com/topics/news/oddities/story.html?id=39858bae-ff68-4ddb-8cae-88aed89264df&k=54992?>

         I'm off to Sandstone
<http://www.sandstone-estates.com/index_sht.html>
in an hour so will only read mail again on Tuesday. Just finished a big 
order of signs for them.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Feb 16 06:38:05 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:38:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Only in Aus.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070216100758.00aa3a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070216100758.00aa3a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070216093433.02ec2260@pop3.wcoil.com>

Not suprising since Aussies produced the Croc Hunter. HMMM maye some fellow 
with money should start a new era in television with "The Shark Hunter" 
Copyright 2007 Shulaw Studios Ltd. GRINNNNN   TTYL, Mark

At 03:12 AM 2/16/07, you wrote:
>Hi Guys,
>         Better not mess with the Aussies - look what they do for fun :-)
>
><http://www.canada.com/topics/news/oddities/story.html?id=39858bae-ff68-4ddb-8cae-88aed89264df&k=54992?>
>
>    Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Tel. (016) 365-5787
>Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
>Cell: 083 293 7191
>Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
>www.oldengine.org/members/evans

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

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Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 16 17:40:35 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:40:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
Message-ID: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Looking for some ideas on how to build the front bolster (steering part) for the cart I am building for the Stover. I want to be able to steer it as well as I want the cart to be able to pivot side to side. I will be using wood beams but the concepts will be the same for both steel and wood.

I would appreciate seeing some carts that have the steering and pivoting bolsters.

Thanks,

Paul



From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Feb 16 18:25:27 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:25:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
Message-ID: <380-22007261722527500@coastalnet.com>

Paul,

Go to my resources page at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/
and check out Rod Haskell's page on cart construction.  
You might get some ideas from his page.

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/16/2007 8:40:50 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
>
> Looking for some ideas on how to build the front bolster (steering part)
for the cart I am building for the Stover. I want to be able to steer it as
well as I want the cart to be able to pivot side to side. I will be using
wood beams but the concepts will be the same for both steel and wood.
>
> I would appreciate seeing some carts that have the steering and pivoting
bolsters.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 16 18:36:17 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:36:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
References: <380-22007261722527500@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <002001c7523c$69761450$240110ac@FAMILY>

Will do Ken, thanks.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart


> Paul,
> 
> Go to my resources page at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/
> and check out Rod Haskell's page on cart construction.  
> You might get some ideas from his page.
> 
> Take care.
> 
> Ken
> 



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Fri Feb 16 19:54:26 2007
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:54:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c75247$53b9f540$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine motor
for winding.

Charlie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


> Hi Charlie.
> What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
> close to scrap price.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
> <mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
> >
> > a very profitable venture..
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>
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8:40 PM
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Feb 16 19:08:29 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:08:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
Message-ID: <380-2200726173829515@coastalnet.com>

My apologies to Ron Haskell for calling him Rod.  My memory sometimes
doesn't last long between reading and typing.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/16/2007 9:36:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
>
> Will do Ken, thanks.
>
> Paul




From ironman1962 at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 16 20:02:39 2007
From: ironman1962 at earthlink.net (Kevin)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:02:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<000e01c75247$53b9f540$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>

Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
ironman
Kevin Mosier

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


> Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
> so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
> ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
> he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine 
> motor
> for winding.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
>
>> Hi Charlie.
>> What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
>> close to scrap price.
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>> <mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
>> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
>> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
>> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
>> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
>> >
>> > a very profitable venture..
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/07
> 8:40 PM
>>
>>
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Feb 16 20:08:37 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:08:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
Message-ID: <20070216.200837.1392.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Not a problem Ken.  I think the saying goes; " Call me anything you want,
just as long as it is not late for dinner"
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:08:29 -0500 "Ken Christison"
<christison at coastalnet.com> writes:
> My apologies to Ron Haskell for calling him Rod.  My memory 
> sometimes
> doesn't last long between reading and typing.
> 
> Ken


From elidas at aol.com  Fri Feb 16 21:27:16 2007
From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:27:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <380-22007261722527500@coastalnet.com>
References: <380-22007261722527500@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <8C9206B6BA27814-15DC-1C69@mblk-r21.sysops.aol.com>

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: christison at coastalnet.com
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart


Paul,

Go to my resources page at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/
and check out Rod Haskell's page on cart construction.  
You might get some ideas from his page.

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/16/2007 8:40:50 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
>
> Looking for some ideas on how to build the front bolster (steering part)
for the cart I am building for the Stover. I want to be able to steer it as
well as I want the cart to be able to pivot side to side. I will be using
wood beams but the concepts will be the same for both steel and wood.
>
> I would appreciate seeing some carts that have the steering and pivoting
bolsters.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Feb 16 21:47:18 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:47:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><000e01c75247$53b9f540$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <02a101c75257$193bf2a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

For a long time now, I have used ballasts out of fluro lights. They work 
perfectly and draw little current.
I aint seen many engines with the LT coil as a feature of the display 
so.....
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin" <ironman1962 at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


> Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> ironman
> Kevin Mosier
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
>
>> Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
>> so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
>> ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
>> he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine 
>> motor
>> for winding.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>>
>>> Hi Charlie.
>>> What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
>>> close to scrap price.
>>>
>>> Ron Haskell
>>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>>> Riverside, California
>>> USA
>>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>>> <mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>>> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
>>> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>>> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>>> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>>> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
>>> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>>> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>>> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>>> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
>>> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
>>> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
>>> >
>>> > a very profitable venture..
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/07
>> 8:40 PM
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Fri Feb 16 23:38:15 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:38:15 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <033b01c75266$95e96030$8335c53e@doc>

I'd be interested in the recipe, for sure.  Thanks.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: 17 February 2007 04:03
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> 
> Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> ironman
> Kevin Mosier
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> 
> 
> > Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
> > so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
> > ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I 
> don't think
> > he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a 
> sewing machine 
> > motor
> > for winding.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >
> >
> >> Hi Charlie.
> >> What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to 
> get some at
> >> close to scrap price.
> >>
> >> Ron Haskell
> >> rdhaskell at juno.com
> >> Riverside, California
> >> USA
> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> >>
> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
> >> <mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
> >> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
> >> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
> >> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
> >> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> >> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
> >> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
> >> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
> >> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
> >> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to 
> cost him just
> >> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for 
> about $10
> >> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for 
> it was not
> >> >
> >> > a very profitable venture..
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release 
> Date: 1/23/07
> > 8:40 PM
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 23:42:35 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:42:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702162342x5487009offebc6caceef4290@mail.gmail.com>

On 17/02/07, Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Looking for some ideas on how to build the front bolster (steering part) for the cart I am building for the Stover. I want to be able to steer it as well as I want the cart to be able to pivot side to side. I will be using wood beams but the concepts will be the same for both steel and wood.
>
> I would appreciate seeing some carts that have the steering and pivoting bolsters.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 23:45:44 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:45:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702162342x5487009offebc6caceef4290@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<6f6025160702162342x5487009offebc6caceef4290@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702162345j1f61bbffvc55370c4e78a7313@mail.gmail.com>

> On 17/02/07, Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > Looking for some ideas on how to build the front bolster (steering part) for the cart I am building for the Stover. I want to be able to steer it as well as I want the cart to be able to pivot side to side. I will be using wood beams but the concepts will be the same for both steel and wood.
> >
> > I would appreciate seeing some carts that have the steering and pivoting bolsters.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Paul

Our trolley for the Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR horizontal diesel may be a
bit modern, but the principals of the pivot etc may be of
interest/help:

Start of that section is at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ruston1ZHR/RustonMenu.htm

Or the main trolley bits start at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ruston1ZHR/Ruston7.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
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From ironman1962 at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 17 00:50:08 2007
From: ironman1962 at earthlink.net (Kevin)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:50:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <033b01c75266$95e96030$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <017c01c75270$a3eb7380$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>

  Ok, I will send it to your email in the next day or so. Im doing cows and 
calf, the rest of the night. You know them little dudes got to be tough to 
make it just born hour ago in the snow. Once im sure he`s getting milk he 
will make it ok. Cold out with that 25 mph west wind. Must be doing good 
he`s up running around ok.
ironman
Kevin Mosier
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


> I'd be interested in the recipe, for sure.  Thanks.
>
> Regards
>
>     Pete
> -- 
> Peter Scales
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
>> Sent: 17 February 2007 04:03
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>> Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
>> ironman
>> Kevin Mosier
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
>> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>>
>> > Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
>> > so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
>> > ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I
>> don't think
>> > he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a
>> sewing machine
>> > motor
>> > for winding.
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Charlie.
>> >> What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to
>> get some at
>> >> close to scrap price.
>> >>
>> >> Ron Haskell
>> >> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> >> Riverside, California
>> >> USA
>> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>> >> <mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>> >> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
>> >> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>> >> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>> >> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>> >> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
>> >> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>> >> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>> >> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>> >> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to
>> cost him just
>> >> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for
>> about $10
>> >> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for
>> it was not
>> >> >
>> >> > a very profitable venture..
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>> >>
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From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com  Sat Feb 17 07:38:21 2007
From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:38:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
References: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>	<000e01c75247$53b9f540$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <45D7216D.2080504@matthewsfarm.com>

Please sent me the recipe when you get a chance.
Thanks

<<Bob Matthews>>
  <<NW Ohio>>



Kevin wrote:

> Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> ironman
> Kevin Mosier
>
>


From badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us  Sat Feb 17 07:53:03 2007
From: badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us (badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:53:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Setup
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070215211249.04928158@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070215211249.04928158@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0702171030320.18665@alcor.astro.indiana.edu>

 	I love going to Portland to see the friends I've made on the list, 
the engines and tractors, and the swap area.

 	The show/swap area covers about twice the area it did 12 years ago 
and the improved camping area is about twice as large as well.  I expect 
the show will remain roughly the size it is for a few years so the club 
can plan on the same level of participation.

 	I would like to see the engine display area unified under the 
trees on the fairgrounds.  I would move the feature tractors to the east 
with the rest of the tractors.

 	The new tractor area and east part of the vendor area could be 
vastly improved with the care the parking lot and older vendor area 
receive, incuding planting some trees.

 	Looking forward to seeing you all there.
Brice

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Any more opinions on the Portland setup? If so, let me know and I'll pass 
> them on.
> 	Dave
>


From ironman1962 at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 17 08:28:04 2007
From: ironman1962 at earthlink.net (Kevin)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:28:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <033b01c75266$95e96030$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <002801c752b0$9e80c770$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>

Bill, Francis, Pete, and anyone interested.

ironman

Kevin Mosier

To make a coil from auto junkyard parts.

Get a Bosch (or similar) relay from a newer car,

they are used for accesories.

On the side of it you will see a wiring diagram

with numbers 30, 87, 87a,85, 86.

You will need a auto coil and condenser.

Connect a wire from terminal 85 to the coil positve side.

Connect another wire from terminal 86 to coil negative.

Connect a wire from coil negative to terminal 30. 

Connect terminal 87a to contact points on engine

and from there to battery negative.

Connect condenser between terninals 30 and87a

It should be ready to fire.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


> I'd be interested in the recipe, for sure.  Thanks.
> 
> Regards
> 
>     Pete
> -- 
> Peter Scales  
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
>> Sent: 17 February 2007 04:03
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>> 
>> Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
>> ironman
>> Kevin Mosier
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
>> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sat Feb 17 09:02:31 2007
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:02:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
References: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<000e01c75247$53b9f540$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <200702171205362.SM04060@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com>

I'd like a copy too.
Thanks.
Keith

At 10:02 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
>Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
>ironman
>Kevin Mosier
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
>
>>Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
>>so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
>>ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
>>he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine motor
>>for winding.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>>
>>>Hi Charlie.
>>>What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
>>>close to scrap price.
>>>
>>>Ron Haskell
>>>rdhaskell at juno.com
>>>Riverside, California
>>>USA
>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>>><mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>>> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
>>> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>>> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>>> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>>> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
>>> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>>> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>>> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>>> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
>>> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
>>> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
>>> >
>>> > a very profitable venture..
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>8:40 PM
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Keith Kinney
Evansville, Indiana  USA
www.HerculesEngines.com 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Feb 17 11:45:50 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:45:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702162345j1f61bbffvc55370c4e78a7313@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<6f6025160702162342x5487009offebc6caceef4290@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160702162345j1f61bbffvc55370c4e78a7313@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070217144132.04c85050@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Peter,
         Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby 
that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the 
pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
         Dave

>Our trolley for the Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR horizontal diesel may be a
>bit modern, but the principals of the pivot etc may be of
>interest/help:
>
>Start of that section is at:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ruston1ZHR/RustonMenu.htm
>
>Or the main trolley bits start at:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ruston1ZHR/Ruston7.htm
>
>Peter



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 17 15:30:20 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:30:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
Message-ID: <410-220072617233020968@earthlink.net>

you can use the transformer out of an old tv set too and you don't have to
buy or rework anything.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/17/2007 11:33:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
> I'd like a copy too.
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
> At 10:02 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
> >Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> >ironman
> >Kevin Mosier
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant"
<mogul460 at localnet.com>
> >To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >
> >
> >>Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
> >>so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
> >>ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
> >>he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine
motor
> >>for winding.
> >>
> >>Charlie
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi Charlie.
> >>>What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
> >>>close to scrap price.
> >>>
> >>>Ron Haskell
> >>>rdhaskell at juno.com
> >>>Riverside, California
> >>>USA
> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> >>>
> >>>On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
> >>><mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
> >>> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
> >>> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
> >>> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
> >>> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> >>> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
> >>> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
> >>> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
> >>> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
> >>> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
> >>> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
> >>> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
> >>> >
> >>> > a very profitable venture..
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>SEL mailing list
> >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >>>Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/07
> >>8:40 PM
> >>>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >
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> Keith Kinney
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Feb 17 16:41:43 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:41:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <410-220072617233020968@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20070218004149.788D9627826@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org>

I'm not positive, but I think we are confusing low tension and High tension.
You don't need a transformer of any kind, just a coil. Cya, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:30 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils

you can use the transformer out of an old tv set too and you don't have to
buy or rework anything.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/17/2007 11:33:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
> I'd like a copy too.
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
> At 10:02 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
> >Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> >ironman
> >Kevin Mosier
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant"
<mogul460 at localnet.com>
> >To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >
> >
> >>Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
> >>so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
> >>ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
> >>he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine
motor
> >>for winding.
> >>
> >>Charlie
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi Charlie.
> >>>What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
> >>>close to scrap price.
> >>>
> >>>Ron Haskell
> >>>rdhaskell at juno.com
> >>>Riverside, California
> >>>USA
> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> >>>
> >>>On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
> >>><mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
> >>> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
> >>> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
> >>> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
> >>> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> >>> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
> >>> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
> >>> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
> >>> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
> >>> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
> >>> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
> >>> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
> >>> >
> >>> > a very profitable venture..
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>SEL mailing list
> >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >>>Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/07
> >>8:40 PM
> >>>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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>
> Keith Kinney
> Evansville, Indiana  USA
> www.HerculesEngines.com 
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Feb 17 17:14:43 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:14:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <20070218004149.788D9627826@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
References: <20070218004149.788D9627826@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
Message-ID: <45D7A883.2040406@scrtc.com>

Jimmy,
    I think they mean the transformers make good low tension coils.  One 
of the hottest low tension coils I have is a tranformer for an outdoor 
flood light. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Jim O'Hagan wrote:

>I'm not positive, but I think we are confusing low tension and High tension.
>You don't need a transformer of any kind, just a coil. Cya, Jimmy
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff
>Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:30 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
>you can use the transformer out of an old tv set too and you don't have to
>buy or rework anything.
>
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas
>
>
>  
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Date: 2/17/2007 11:33:27 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>>I'd like a copy too.
>>Thanks.
>>Keith
>>
>>At 10:02 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
>>>ironman
>>>Kevin Mosier
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant"
>>>      
>>>
><mogul460 at localnet.com>
>  
>
>>>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
>>>>so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
>>>>ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
>>>>he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine
>>>>        
>>>>
>motor
>  
>
>>>>for winding.
>>>>
>>>>Charlie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>>>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Charlie.
>>>>>What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
>>>>>close to scrap price.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ron Haskell
>>>>>rdhaskell at juno.com
>>>>>Riverside, California
>>>>>USA
>>>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>>>>><mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>In the next few months I think we are going to see
>>>>>>a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>>>>>>you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>>>>>>past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>>>>>>several years has been making low tension coils tells
>>>>>>me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>>>>>> He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>>>>>>last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>>>>>> then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
>>>>>>for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
>>>>>>more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>a very profitable venture..
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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>>>>>          
>>>>>
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>>>
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>>Evansville, Indiana  USA
>>www.HerculesEngines.com 
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Feb 17 18:04:19 2007
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:04:19 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
Message-ID: <1215151312.1171764259073.JavaMail.root@fepweb10>

---- Kevin <ironman1962 at earthlink.net> wrote: 
> Bill, Francis, Pete, and anyone interested.
> 
> ironman
> 
> Kevin Mosier
> 
> To make a coil from auto junkyard parts.
> 
> Get a Bosch (or similar) relay from a newer car,
> 
Kevin, this is a buzz coil, they are talking about low tension coils for ignitors.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Feb 17 19:12:07 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:12:07 EST
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
Message-ID: <c6f.a9e2485.33091e07@aol.com>

J B, Do these coils they are building, work about like the old Model T  coils 
did.
 
Thanks, Bill Miller. 



From reb at apex.net  Sat Feb 17 19:22:56 2007
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:22:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <20070214.131624.760.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><000e01c75247$53b9f540$2c01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<005701c75248$7c798490$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <000c01c7530c$173d6140$0202a8c0@Dads>

Kevin: I would like to have a  your recipe for a coil too.

Thanks 
Dick Bauer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin" <ironman1962 at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils


> Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> ironman
> Kevin Mosier
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> 
> 
>> Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
>> so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
>> ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
>> he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine 
>> motor
>> for winding.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>>
>>> Hi Charlie.
>>> What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
>>> close to scrap price.
>>>
>>> Ron Haskell
>>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>>> Riverside, California
>>> USA
>>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>>> <mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>>> > In the next few months I think we are going to see
>>> > a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>>> > you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>>> > past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>>> > several years has been making low tension coils tells
>>> > me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>>> >  He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>>> > last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>>> >  then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
>>> > for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
>>> > more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
>>> >
>>> > a very profitable venture..
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> 8:40 PM
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 17 20:18:54 2007
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:18:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
Message-ID: <410-22007201841854531@earthlink.net>

Thank you Tommy,  I was just getting ready to say something like that.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 2/17/2007 7:32:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
> Jimmy,
>     I think they mean the transformers make good low tension coils.  One 
> of the hottest low tension coils I have is a tranformer for an outdoor 
> flood light. 
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>
> >I'm not positive, but I think we are confusing low tension and High
tension.
> >You don't need a transformer of any kind, just a coil. Cya, Jimmy
> >
> >Jim O'Hagan
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Christoff
> >Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:30 PM
> >To: The SEL email discussion list
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >
> >you can use the transformer out of an old tv set too and you don't have
to
> >buy or rework anything.
> >
> >Tim Christoff
> >Basehor Kansas
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>[Original Message]
> >>From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
> >>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Date: 2/17/2007 11:33:27 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >>
> >>I'd like a copy too.
> >>Thanks.
> >>Keith
> >>
> >>At 10:02 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
> >>>ironman
> >>>Kevin Mosier
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant"
> >>>      
> >>>
> ><mogul460 at localnet.com>
> >  
> >
> >>>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
> >>>>so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
> >>>>ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
> >>>>he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >motor
> >  
> >
> >>>>for winding.
> >>>>
> >>>>Charlie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> >>>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi Charlie.
> >>>>>What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
> >>>>>close to scrap price.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ron Haskell
> >>>>>rdhaskell at juno.com
> >>>>>Riverside, California
> >>>>>USA
> >>>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
> >>>>><mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>In the next few months I think we are going to see
> >>>>>>a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
> >>>>>>you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
> >>>>>>past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
> >>>>>>several years has been making low tension coils tells
> >>>>>>me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
> >>>>>> He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
> >>>>>>last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
> >>>>>> then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
> >>>>>>for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
> >>>>>>more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>a very profitable venture..
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>>SEL mailing list
> >>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >>>>>Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date:
1/23/07
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>8:40 PM
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>SEL mailing list
> >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>>        
> >>>>
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> >>>2/16/2007 2:25 PM
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> >>>
> >>Keith Kinney
> >>Evansville, Indiana  USA
> >>www.HerculesEngines.com 
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 23:33:46 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:33:46 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070217144132.04c85050@mail.alltel.net>
References: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<6f6025160702162342x5487009offebc6caceef4290@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160702162345j1f61bbffvc55370c4e78a7313@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070217144132.04c85050@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702172333u47001ddfi38fb115c6e3ebce0@mail.gmail.com>

On 17/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>          Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby
> that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the
> pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
>          Dave

Hi Dave:

Not mine at the rally, but the pictures that we took last year are at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle20061.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Feb 18 00:01:28 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:01:28 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <002801c752b0$9e80c770$6501a8c0@YOURECCBA847C5>
Message-ID: <040501c75332$fe7047f0$8335c53e@doc>

Kevin

Many thanks for that.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: 17 February 2007 16:28
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
> 
> Bill, Francis, Pete, and anyone interested.
> 
> ironman
> 
> Kevin Mosier
> 
> To make a coil from auto junkyard parts.
> 
> Get a Bosch (or similar) relay from a newer car,
> 
> they are used for accesories.
> 
> On the side of it you will see a wiring diagram
> 
> with numbers 30, 87, 87a,85, 86.
> 
> You will need a auto coil and condenser.
> 
> Connect a wire from terminal 85 to the coil positve side.
> 
> Connect another wire from terminal 86 to coil negative.
> 
> Connect a wire from coil negative to terminal 30. 
> 
> Connect terminal 87a to contact points on engine
> 
> and from there to battery negative.
> 
> Connect condenser between terninals 30 and87a
> 
> It should be ready to fire.
> 
> 
> 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 23:59:10 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:59:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 110V DC Generators 2-Bearing 10kW
Message-ID: <6f6025160702172359w58410370gd96a62ef7fa8e120@mail.gmail.com>

Saw this on ebay, the vendor has 5 units available, Buy It Now $800
each or Best Offer.

Item #110092890014

Located in Friendship, WI.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From edurand at cybertron.com  Sun Feb 18 07:24:30 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:24:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <1215151312.1171764259073.JavaMail.root@fepweb10>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEAKFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

A nice and relatively small low tension coil can be made from the coil out of a starter solenoid, the kind that sits atop the starter and pulls the gear into engagement.  Just take the solenoid apart down to the coil itself.  You can either use the original plunger for a core or, better, get a roll of soft iron (mechanic's wire) and cut a bundle of strands that will just fit inside the coil, long enough to stick out about an inch at both ends.

If you use a 12-Volt solenoid, it should work fine on either 6V or 12V.

If you want to make an authentic looking one, use the wire of of a solenoid to wind it.

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Feb 18 11:05:06 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:05:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:33 AM 2/18/2007, you wrote:
>On 17/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>Hi Peter,
>>          Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby
>>that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the
>>pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
>>          Dave
>
>Hi Dave:
>Not mine at the rally, but the pictures that we took last year are at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle20061.htm
>Peter

Thanks Peter, I think maybe that was the site to which I referred. Which of 
the engines is yours?
         Dave  



From edurand at cybertron.com  Sun Feb 18 11:49:51 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:49:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEBAFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Group:

The crew got it's January work days done at the power station with no loss of life and only minimal disruption to the natural order of things.

Take a look here!

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html

Take care - Elden




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Feb 18 12:20:46 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:20:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEBAFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEBAFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <45D8B51E.8080102@scrtc.com>

I really enjoyed the photos and info Elden.  Those guys are dedicated!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Elden DuRand wrote:

>Group:
>
>The crew got it's January work days done at the power station with no loss of life and only minimal disruption to the natural order of things.
>
>Take a look here!
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html
>
>Take care - Elden
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Feb 18 13:52:02 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:52:02 EST
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
Message-ID: <c7b.c42da58.330a2482@aol.com>

Elden,

Thanks for the great update photos on preparation to remove the power plants.

Are you headed to the Zolfo show next week?


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Feb 18 09:14:34 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:14:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702172333u47001ddfi38fb115c6e3ebce0@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <001001c75234$a3a4ebe0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<6f6025160702162342x5487009offebc6caceef4290@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160702162345j1f61bbffvc55370c4e78a7313@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070217144132.04c85050@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702172333u47001ddfi38fb115c6e3ebce0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218121326.04d5ba98@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:33 AM 2/18/2007, you wrote:
>On 17/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>Hi Peter,
>>          Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby
>>that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the
>>pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
>>          Dave
>
>Hi Dave:
>Not mine at the rally, but the pictures that we took last year are at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle20061.htm
>Peter

Thanks Peter, I think maybe that was the site to which I referred. Which of 
the engines is yours?
         Dave 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 18 15:44:27 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:44:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEBAFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c753b6$baac8450$240110ac@FAMILY>

Fantastic story Elden and a fantastic write up. Enjoyed every work and every 
pictures, thanks for posting this for all of us to see and enjoy.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at cybertron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:49 PM
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update


> Group:
>
> The crew got it's January work days done at the power station with no loss 
> of life and only minimal disruption to the natural order of things.
>
> Take a look here!
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html
>
> Take care - Elden




From edurand at cybertron.com  Sun Feb 18 16:53:26 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:53:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
In-Reply-To: <c7b.c42da58.330a2482@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEBFFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Tom:

For the first time in a couple or three years, I'm not going to make Zolfo this year.  Elaine and I will be getting our new house remodeled in Port Saint Joe, FL.  I SWEAR it's gonna be the last time I move!  They'll have to drag me out by the heels!

Now.........Anybody here want to buy a really nice house on 1/2 acre with 90 feet of Chocktawhatchee Bay shorefront?  Killer sunsets!

Now all I gotta do is move alla my junk!

Take care - Elden
edurand at iglou.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Germoamer at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 03:52 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
> 
> 
> Elden,
> 
> Thanks for the great update photos on preparation 
> to remove the power plants.
> 
> Are you headed to the Zolfo show next week?
> 
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> Germoamer at aol.com




From edurand at cybertron.com  Sun Feb 18 16:54:38 2007
From: edurand at cybertron.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:54:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
In-Reply-To: <001a01c753b6$baac8450$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEBFFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>

Paul:

It's sorta my alter-ego way to enjoy the project, since I'm not able to be there.

Take care - Elden Du

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 05:44 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update
> 
> 
> Fantastic story Elden and a fantastic write up. 
> Enjoyed every work and every 
> pictures, thanks for posting this for all of us 
> to see and enjoy.
> 
> Paul




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Feb 18 21:04:33 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:04:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <45D7A883.2040406@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>

Hi Tommy, Which of the two coils do you use, The primary or secondary side?
Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:15 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils

Jimmy,
    I think they mean the transformers make good low tension coils.  One 
of the hottest low tension coils I have is a tranformer for an outdoor 
flood light. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Jim O'Hagan wrote:

>I'm not positive, but I think we are confusing low tension and High
tension.
>You don't need a transformer of any kind, just a coil. Cya, Jimmy
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff
>Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:30 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>
>you can use the transformer out of an old tv set too and you don't have to
>buy or rework anything.
>
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas
>
>
>  
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Date: 2/17/2007 11:33:27 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>
>>I'd like a copy too.
>>Thanks.
>>Keith
>>
>>At 10:02 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Anyone want the recipe to make your own ?
>>>ironman
>>>Kevin Mosier
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant"
>>>      
>>>
><mogul460 at localnet.com>
>  
>
>>>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Thanks  Ron. I will get in contact with my friend. He is out of town
>>>>so it might be a few days. He started making coils about 6 years
>>>>ago and makes about 60 a year. He does a real good job. I don't think
>>>>he has ever had a single coil returned. We picked up a sewing machine
>>>>        
>>>>
>motor
>  
>
>>>>for winding.
>>>>
>>>>Charlie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>>>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Charlie.
>>>>>What gauge wire does your friend use?  I might be able to get some at
>>>>>close to scrap price.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ron Haskell
>>>>>rdhaskell at juno.com
>>>>>Riverside, California
>>>>>USA
>>>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0600 "Charles R Bryant"
>>>>><mogul460 at localnet.com> writes:
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>In the next few months I think we are going to see
>>>>>>a big increase in the price of low tension coils. As
>>>>>>you know the price of copper has tripled in price this
>>>>>>past year or so.My friend in Missouri who for the past
>>>>>>several years has been making low tension coils tells
>>>>>>me the last copper wire he priced was $20 per pound.
>>>>>> He uses 1 1/4 pounds of copper wire per coil and until
>>>>>>last year was selling them for $25 ea. Even though since
>>>>>> then he has increased his price to $30 its going to cost him just
>>>>>>for the wire about $26. Another vender who sells his for about $10
>>>>>>more was saying even at his price he was selling his for it was not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>a very profitable venture..
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>8:40 PM
>>>>        
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/690 - Release Date: 
>>>2/16/2007 2:25 PM
>>>      
>>>
>>Keith Kinney
>>Evansville, Indiana  USA
>>www.HerculesEngines.com 
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>
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>>
>
>
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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Feb 18 21:25:15 2007
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:25:15 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEAKFGAA.edurand@cybertron.com>
Message-ID: <034001c753e6$563b2a50$210110ac@service>

a/c compressor clutch coils also work well


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Feb 19 03:55:40 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 06:55:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Tension Coils
In-Reply-To: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
References: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
Message-ID: <45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com>

Jimmy,
    The coil I used is square and about 2 1/2 inch by 3 inches.  I don't 
know what size wire it is but would guess it is probably about 14.  This 
was an old flood light that I got this from, probably installed 
originally in the early '80s.  I don't know if the ones used now still 
have a similar coil or if some sort of electronic circuitry has taken 
its place.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



>Hi Tommy, Which of the two coils do you use, The primary or secondary side?
>Jimmy
>
>  
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Feb 19 06:22:15 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:22:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] A Bike just for John Culp (OT)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702190920230.441@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hey there John,

Somehow this looks like the sort of thing that would appeal to you.
ENJOY!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6375259.stm

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 08:01:00 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:01:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>

On 18/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> At 02:33 AM 2/18/2007, you wrote:
> >On 17/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> >>Hi Peter,
> >>          Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby
> >>that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the
> >>pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
> >>          Dave
> >
> >Hi Dave:
> >Not mine at the rally, but the pictures that we took last year are at:
> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle20061.htm
> >Peter
>
> Thanks Peter, I think maybe that was the site to which I referred. Which of
> the engines is yours?
>          Dave

See answer above....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Feb 19 10:00:49 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:00:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com
 >
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070219125841.04ea7bf8@mail.alltel.net>


>> >>Hi Peter,
>> >>          Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby
>> >>that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the
>> >>pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
>> >>          Dave
>> >Hi Dave:
>> >Not mine at the rally, but the pictures that we took last year are at:
>> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle20061.htm
>> >Peter
>>Thanks Peter, I think maybe that was the site to which I referred. Which of
>>the engines is yours?
>>          Dave
>See answer above....
>Peter

Could it have been a different Rally at which your engine was pictured? Or 
is it possible that my memory does not serve me well?
         Dave 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Feb 19 10:32:52 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:32:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A Bike just for John Culp (OT)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702190920230.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702190920230.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6b69b755ec1eed18f08e0b43897c0dfa@chartertn.net>

Looks like fun!

I don't bounce as well as I used to, though.

John

On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Hey there John,
>
> Somehow this looks like the sort of thing that would appeal to you.
> ENJOY!!
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6375259.stm
>
> See ya,  Arnie


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From shop at cccomm.net  Mon Feb 19 13:00:09 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:00:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis on a 3 HP Novo
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01f401c75468$f12d5380$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

I'm going to make a tank and try the electrolysis rust removal trick that 
was discussed in debth here a while back. Question I have, is it safe on 
babbit bearings? If not, then how are they protected?

Thansk in advance,
Dave





From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Feb 19 12:47:29 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:47:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com>
References: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
	<45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <45DA0CE1.8000804@telus.net>

Hello Group,
	The local museum has a lister Genset that has spun the connecting rod 
bearing. Fortunately, the problem was caught right away so the crank is 
still ok. I am listing the information I can get from name plates on the 
unit below. We would like to find a manual for it plus we would like to 
know if a connecting rod bearing shell is still available and where 
from. I think the cause of the problem is the oil dip tube is missing 
but I'm not sure. A picture or a sketch of the dip tube would be a big 
help too.

	The specs are as follows:
 From the engine name plate:
	No. 66597
	Spec no. A661	
	HP 3
	Rpm 725
 From the control panel plate:
	Type RHIA
	No. 139
 From the plate on the side of the generator:
	Dynamo no. 70L236
	Voltage 43/32	
	Amperage 40

	Any help will be greatly appreciated both by me and the museum staff. 
Thanks in advance.
	

Rupert
Ps. I will be away for the rest of this week so will answer any replies 
when I get back.
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Feb 19 13:40:00 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:40:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis on a 3 HP Novo
In-Reply-To: <01f401c75468$f12d5380$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>
	<01f401c75468$f12d5380$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070219163622.02ed55d0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Dave,
  I've never seen any harm to lead or babbit. It will darken it but thats 
the worst I've seen. It will come right off with a tooth brush sized wire 
brush.                     TTYL,    Mark

At 04:00 PM 2/19/07, you wrote:
>I'm going to make a tank and try the electrolysis rust removal trick that 
>was discussed in debth here a while back. Question I have, is it safe on 
>babbit bearings? If not, then how are they protected?
>
>Thansk in advance,
>Dave
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 13:52:26 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:52:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070219125841.04ea7bf8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070219125841.04ea7bf8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702191352w7adce43bseb4e2f68abaa1b25@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> >> >>Hi Peter,
> >> >>          Nice write up and great pictures. Is that the Ruston & Hornsby
> >> >>that was pictured at the 2006 1000 Engine Rally? I've somehow lost the
> >> >>pictures of that Rally. Do you have the site?
> >> >>          Dave
> >> >Hi Dave:
> >> >Not mine at the rally, but the pictures that we took last year are at:
> >> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle20061.htm
> >> >Peter
> >>Thanks Peter, I think maybe that was the site to which I referred. Which of
> >>the engines is yours?
> >>          Dave
> >See answer above....
> >Peter
>
> Could it have been a different Rally at which your engine was pictured? Or
> is it possible that my memory does not serve me well?
>          Dave

Dave:

Your memory is one of the longest, if not THE longest on the Lists! :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Feb 19 13:09:01 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:09:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <45DA0CE1.8000804@telus.net>
References: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
	<45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com> <45DA0CE1.8000804@telus.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702191605290.441@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rupert,

You can spend some time prowling around through the Lister info here...
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Technical/Techdata.htm

Peter Forbes can no doubt point you to the exact pages you need.

He can probably also pull an unused rod bearing shell off his spares
shelves.  Good luck!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Rupert Wenig wrote:

> 	The local museum has a lister Genset that has spun the connecting rod
> bearing. Fortunately, the problem was caught right away so the crank is
> still ok. I am listing the information I can get from name plates on the
> unit below. We would like to find a manual for it plus we would like to
> know if a connecting rod bearing shell is still available and where
> from. I think the cause of the problem is the oil dip tube is missing
> but I'm not sure. A picture or a sketch of the dip tube would be a big
> help too.
>
> 	The specs are as follows:
>  From the engine name plate:
> 	No. 66597
> 	Spec no. A661
> 	HP 3
> 	Rpm 725
>  From the control panel plate:
> 	Type RHIA
> 	No. 139
>  From the plate on the side of the generator:
> 	Dynamo no. 70L236
> 	Voltage 43/32
> 	Amperage 40



From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Feb 19 14:06:09 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:06:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis on a 3 HP Novo
In-Reply-To: <01f401c75468$f12d5380$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <200702192206.l1JM6Meq025102@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 1:00 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis on a 3 HP Novo

I'm going to make a tank and try the electrolysis rust removal trick that 
was discussed in debth here a while back. Question I have, is it safe on 
babbit bearings? If not, then how are they protected?

Thansk in advance,
Dave

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I've seen warnings, but so far I've never harmed any babbit, aluminum or
brass, including nameplates, when doing electrolysis.  

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Feb 19 18:18:37 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:18:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702191352w7adce43bseb4e2f68abaa1b25@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070219125841.04ea7bf8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702191352w7adce43bseb4e2f68abaa1b25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070219211457.04f2db48@mail.alltel.net>


>>Could it have been a different Rally at which your engine was pictured? Or
>>is it possible that my memory does not serve me well?
>>          Dave
>Dave:
>Your memory is one of the longest, if not THE longest on the Lists! :-))
>Peter

Hi Peter,
         I Knew it, I KNEW IT! Don't make me look and LOOK. Where are the 
pictures of your engine at a Rally? I know I saw those pictures, but damned 
if I can fine the site! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 23:21:03 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:21:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Front Bolster Ideas for Cart
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070219211457.04f2db48@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070218140449.04bd2ab8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702190801g7556ec3se565b0afaa783de1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070219125841.04ea7bf8@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160702191352w7adce43bseb4e2f68abaa1b25@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070219211457.04f2db48@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702192321l5ded8a73g805b07f123a0fceb@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/02/07, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> >>Could it have been a different Rally at which your engine was pictured? Or
> >>is it possible that my memory does not serve me well?
> >>          Dave
> >Dave:
> >Your memory is one of the longest, if not THE longest on the Lists! :-))
> >Peter
>
> Hi Peter,
>          I Knew it, I KNEW IT! Don't make me look and LOOK. Where are the
> pictures of your engine at a Rally? I know I saw those pictures, but damned
> if I can fine the site! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>          Dave
>

Well, I am pretty sure you know the answer, but the Caterpillar 1Y73
was at the Shefford Mill Rally last year....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 23:23:21 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:23:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702191605290.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
	<45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com> <45DA0CE1.8000804@telus.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702191605290.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702192323n451501e0u4ef108cfd563021f@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/02/07, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Rupert,
>
> You can spend some time prowling around through the Lister info here...
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Technical/Techdata.htm
>
> Peter Forbes can no doubt point you to the exact pages you need.
>
> He can probably also pull an unused rod bearing shell off his spares
> shelves.  Good luck!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>

Rupert's engine is an A series petrol engine, and I am pretty sure we
haven't any big-end bearings for that engine. Might have a secondhand
rod with shells (part of a job lot of Lister bits we bought some years
back from a guy near Southampton) but it's a long shot.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Feb 20 05:10:08 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:10:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
Message-ID: <000b01c754f0$7322e760$51e9eddc@Edd>

Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury outboard on my 
sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking for 
parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust deflector 
plate and water  jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and are 
badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and goes real 
good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old outboard's or 
a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till now and 
am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns 



From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Tue Feb 20 06:29:09 2007
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:29:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <000b01c754f0$7322e760$51e9eddc@Edd>
Message-ID: <000401c754fb$7ca39bd0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>

Edd;
    Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown,
Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique Mercury
parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947 "Hurricane 10".
I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try searching
for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have a group
and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt up some
info for you.
Jim Mackessy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T


> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury outboard on
my
> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking for
> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust deflector
> plate and water  jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and are
> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and goes
real
> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old outboard's
or
> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till now
and
> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 20 07:22:33 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:22:33 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <000b01c754f0$7322e760$51e9eddc@Edd>
	<000401c754fb$7ca39bd0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>
Message-ID: <000b01c75502$f32c22c0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Mackessy" <jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T


> Edd;
>    Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown,
> Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique Mercury
> parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947 "Hurricane 10".
> I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try searching
> for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have a group
> and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt up some
> info for you.
> Jim Mackessy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
> 
>> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury outboard on my
>> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking for
>> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust deflector
>> plate and water  jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and are
>> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and goes real
>> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old outboard's
> or
>> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till now and
>> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
>> EDD PAYNE

Have a look at http://www.oldmercs.com/
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv




From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Tue Feb 20 08:32:54 2007
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:32:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
In-Reply-To: <000b01c75502$f32c22c0$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <000b01c754f0$7322e760$51e9eddc@Edd>
	<000401c754fb$7ca39bd0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>
	<000b01c75502$f32c22c0$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org>

Edd,
It sounds like parts you might be able to fabricate and using a more 
modern alloy, you might find the parts would last a bit longer.

Good luck,
Tom

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:22:33 -0000
  "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy" 
><jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
> 
> 
>> Edd;
>>    Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown,
>> Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique 
>>Mercury
>> parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947 
>>"Hurricane 10".
>> I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try 
>>searching
>> for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have 
>>a group
>> and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt 
>>up some
>> info for you.
>> Jim Mackessy
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
>> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM
>> Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>> 
>>> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury 
>>>outboard on my
>>> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking 
>>>for
>>> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust 
>>>deflector
>>> plate and water  jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and 
>>>are
>>> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and 
>>>goes real
>>> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old 
>>>outboard's
>> or
>>> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till 
>>>now and
>>> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
>>> EDD PAYNE
> 
> Have a look at http://www.oldmercs.com/
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From lyle45859 at roadrunner.com  Tue Feb 20 09:23:48 2007
From: lyle45859 at roadrunner.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:23:48 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <45DB2EA4.000001.00988@CATS-D22786ABFC>

www.oldmercs.com/
FAX Toll-Free to 1-888-OLD-MERC (fax only, must be within US) or from
outside US Fax to: 610-495-6868 
Or MAIL it to: 
East Coast Marine Service 
Grubb's Marine Division 
3363 W. Ridge  Pike
Pottstown, PA 19464 
Or CALL us at 610-495-7774.
Here are a few web addresses that may help you in your search for parts.
Lyle Myles 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Tom Smith 
Date: 02/20/07 11:45:02 
To: The SEL email discussion list 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T 
 
Edd, 
It sounds like parts you might be able to fabricate and using a more 
Modern alloy, you might find the parts would last a bit longer. 
 
Good luck, 
Tom 
 
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:22:33 -0000 
"Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote: 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy" 
><jmackess at twcny.rr.com> 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:29 PM 
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T 
> 
> 
>> Edd; 
>> Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown, 
>> Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique 
>>Mercury 
>> parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947 
>>"Hurricane 10". 
>> I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try 
>>searching 
>> for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have 
>>a group 
>> and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt 
>>up some 
>> info for you. 
>> Jim Mackessy 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au> 
>> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM 
>> Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T 
>> 
>>> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury 
>>>outboard on my 
>>> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking 
>>>for 
>>> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust 
>>>deflector 
>>> plate and water jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and 
>>>are 
>>> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and 
>>>goes real 
>>> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old 
>>>outboard's 
>> or 
>>> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till 
>>>now and 
>>> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people. 
>>> EDD PAYNE 
> 
> Have a look at http://www.oldmercs.com/ 
> Dave Croft 
> Warrington 
> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
 
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Tue Feb 20 10:16:27 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:16:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] cooling the V-12
Message-ID: <003801c7551b$3da1cb80$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

hello all,,
i finally found a suitable radiator and am replacing the cooling tank on the 
GMC V-12,,,,
does anyone have a source for a  2 inch ID by 26 inch legnth  common 
flexible radiator hose ? what i;m running into locally is a skip from 24 
inches to 33 inches,,,,
any suggestions would be appreciated,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others. 




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Feb 20 11:32:16 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:32:16 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <200702201700.l1KH05KK008598@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070220212935.00adafb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 20/02/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:47:29 -0700
>From: Rupert Wenig <rwenig at telus.net>
>Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
>
>Hello Group,
>         The local museum has a lister Genset that has spun the connecting 
> rod
>bearing. Fortunately, the problem was caught right away so the crank is
>still ok. I am listing the information I can get from name plates on the
>unit below. We would like to find a manual for it plus we would like to
>know if a connecting rod bearing shell is still available and where
>from. I think the cause of the problem is the oil dip tube is missing
>but I'm not sure. A picture or a sketch of the dip tube would be a big
>help too.
>
>         The specs are as follows:
>  From the engine name plate:
>         No. 66597
>         Spec no. A661
>         HP 3
>         Rpm 725
>  From the control panel plate:
>         Type RHIA
>         No. 139
>  From the plate on the side of the generator:
>         Dynamo no. 70L236
>         Voltage 43/32
>         Amperage 40
>
>         Any help will be greatly appreciated both by me and the museum 
> staff.
>Thanks in advance.
>
>
>Rupert
>Ps. I will be away for the rest of this week so will answer any replies
>when I get back.


Hi Rupert,
         there are engine manuals for the Lister A available  on Paul 
Evans's site for a small donation:
<http://www.internalfire.com/>
         I'm not sure about the genset manual though.



Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From paul at semidiesel.com  Tue Feb 20 12:06:57 2007
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:06:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070220212935.00adafb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070220212935.00adafb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <45DB54E1.3040000@semidiesel.com>

Manuals set off list.

Paul

-- 

Internal Fire Museum of Power

Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS

http://www.internalfire.com



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Feb 20 12:04:17 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:04:17 EST
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
Message-ID: <ce8.9f48d83.330cae41@aol.com>

Hey Men,
 
Is it cold enough for you, a friend of mine (knowing I had a wood shop)  
asked me to build him a battery box for a Hit and Miss engine, he wanted it  8X8X8 
inches inside, what I want to know is what size boxes are some of you  using 
and what type of battery's are you using, are they motor cycle bat. 12v.  dry 
type rechargeable or what and is this size box large enough for  average use. 
I put three pictures in my photo gallery on a For PowerStroke  Diesel list 
that I am on and I will put the Link's to them below, you can click  on each Link 
or click on the first picture, then click on the arrow at the top  right of 
first pic. and it will take you to the next one, let me know what you  think?
 
Thanks, Bill Miller.
 
_http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31346&papass=&sort=1&thec
at=500_ 
(http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31346&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500) 
 
_http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31345&papass=&sort=1&thec
at=500_ 
(http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31345&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500) 
 
_http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thec
at=500_ 
(http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500) 
 
 
 
 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Feb 20 14:13:13 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:13:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
In-Reply-To: <ce8.9f48d83.330cae41@aol.com>
References: <ce8.9f48d83.330cae41@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070220171139.18de9960@mail.alltel.net>

Nice work Bill, but for doG sake use oak. You put too much time and skill 
into it to use pine!
         Dave

At 03:04 PM 2/20/2007, you wrote:
>Hey Men,
>
>Is it cold enough for you, a friend of mine (knowing I had a wood shop)
>asked me to build him a battery box for a Hit and Miss engine, he wanted 
>it  8X8X8
>inches inside, what I want to know is what size boxes are some of you  using
>and what type of battery's are you using, are they motor cycle bat. 12v.  dry
>type rechargeable or what and is this size box large enough for  average use.
>I put three pictures in my photo gallery on a For PowerStroke  Diesel list
>that I am on and I will put the Link's to them below, you can click  on 
>each Link
>or click on the first picture, then click on the arrow at the top  right of
>first pic. and it will take you to the next one, let me know what you  think?
>
>Thanks, Bill Miller.



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Feb 20 15:09:36 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:09:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
Message-ID: <c20.fd1185a.330cd9b0@aol.com>

Thanks Dave, for the comment, this fellow wanted it made out of pine but I  
am going to also make one out of oak and see how it looks.
 
Thanks, Bill Miller.
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From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Tue Feb 20 21:28:10 2007
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:28:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org>
	<45DB2EA4.000001.00988@CATS-D22786ABFC>
Message-ID: <000d01c75579$1464e9b0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>

Well Ed, looks like the list comes through again! I got stuck at work for 13
hours today, but it looks like the guys took good care of you. I know the
guys at Grubb's will too. Enjoy your Mercury!
Regards;
Jim Mackessy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at roadrunner.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T


> www.oldmercs.com/
> FAX Toll-Free to 1-888-OLD-MERC (fax only, must be within US) or from
> outside US Fax to: 610-495-6868
> Or MAIL it to:
> East Coast Marine Service
> Grubb's Marine Division
> 3363 W. Ridge  Pike
> Pottstown, PA 19464
> Or CALL us at 610-495-7774.
> Here are a few web addresses that may help you in your search for parts.
> Lyle Myles
> -------Original Message------- 
>
> From: Tom Smith
> Date: 02/20/07 11:45:02
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>
> Edd,
> It sounds like parts you might be able to fabricate and using a more
> Modern alloy, you might find the parts would last a bit longer.
>
> Good luck,
> Tom
>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:22:33 -0000
> "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy"
> ><jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> ><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
> >
> >
> >> Edd;
> >> Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown,
> >> Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique
> >>Mercury
> >> parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947
> >>"Hurricane 10".
> >> I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try
> >>searching
> >> for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have
> >>a group
> >> and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt
> >>up some
> >> info for you.
> >> Jim Mackessy
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
> >> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM
> >> Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
> >>
> >>> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury
> >>>outboard on my
> >>> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking
> >>>for
> >>> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust
> >>>deflector
> >>> plate and water jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and
> >>>are
> >>> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and
> >>>goes real
> >>> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old
> >>>outboard's
> >> or
> >>> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till
> >>>now and
> >>> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
> >>> EDD PAYNE
> >
> > Have a look at http://www.oldmercs.com/
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >
> >
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Feb 21 07:12:15 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:12:15 -0800
Subject: [SEL] cooling the V-12
In-Reply-To: <003801c7551b$3da1cb80$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <003801c7551b$3da1cb80$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <20070221121219.DF69C228331@md5.pennswoods.net>

Bill just a suggestion. Why not go to your local custom exhaust place 
and get them to bend you a section of 2in id pipe as to your needs 
and angel. Then put two sections of 2in id hose one at the radiator 
and one at the motor.
imho
R Fink



At 12:16 PM 2/20/2007 -0600, you wrote:
>hello all,,
>i finally found a suitable radiator and am replacing the cooling 
>tank on the GMC V-12,,,,
>does anyone have a source for a  2 inch ID by 26 inch legnth  common 
>flexible radiator hose ? what i;m running into locally is a skip 
>from 24 inches to 33 inches,,,,
>any suggestions would be appreciated,,
>bill boyce
>lost prairie, arkansas
>
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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Tue Feb 20 16:01:10 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:01:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
References: <ce8.9f48d83.330cae41@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002201c7554b$664b2f60$c2ff123f@D8LJ7K91>

Bill,

A box like that is fine.  There's enough room for a motor cycle battery and 
a buzz coil of LT coil, but it will be a little cramped  to manipulate the 
wiring as needed.  You need to add a knife switch on the outside.  One 
caution: that chain can cause battery short problems if it gets in the wrong 
place.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:04 PM
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.


> Hey Men,
>
> Is it cold enough for you, a friend of mine (knowing I had a wood shop)
> asked me to build him a battery box for a Hit and Miss engine, he wanted 
> it  8X8X8
> inches inside, what I want to know is what size boxes are some of you 
> using
> and what type of battery's are you using, are they motor cycle bat. 12v. 
> dry
> type rechargeable or what and is this size box large enough for  average 
> use.
> I put three pictures in my photo gallery on a For PowerStroke  Diesel list
> that I am on and I will put the Link's to them below, you can click  on 
> each Link
> or click on the first picture, then click on the arrow at the top  right 
> of
> first pic. and it will take you to the next one, let me know what you 
> think?
>
> Thanks, Bill Miller.
>
> _http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31346&papass=&sort=1&thec
> at=500_
> (http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31346&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500)
>
> _http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31345&papass=&sort=1&thec
> at=500_
> (http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31345&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500)
>
> _http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thec
> at=500_
> (http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500)
>
>
>
>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Wed Feb 21 07:01:40 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:01:40 -0600
Subject: [SEL] cooling the V-12
References: <003801c7551b$3da1cb80$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
	<20070221121219.DF69C228331@md5.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <000601c755c9$31790270$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

richard,, thanks for the idea,,, sounds like a good idea,,,i;ve had a local 
muffler shop do some odd projects for me in the past and they always are 
very resonable in price,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty
     is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] cooling the V-12


> Bill just a suggestion. Why not go to your local custom exhaust place and 
> get them to bend you a section of 2in id pipe as to your needs and angel. 
> Then put two sections of 2in id hose one at the radiator and one at the 
> motor.
> imho
> R Fink
>
>
> 




From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Feb 21 14:44:06 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:44:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org><45DB2EA4.000001.00988@CATS-D22786ABFC>
	<000d01c75579$1464e9b0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>
Message-ID: <001e01c75609$cbf6ec00$51e9eddc@Edd>

Thank you all for your help and suggestion's.Have contacted Grub marine and 
waiting to hear back.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Mackessy" <jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T


> Well Ed, looks like the list comes through again! I got stuck at work for 
> 13
> hours today, but it looks like the guys took good care of you. I know the
> guys at Grubb's will too. Enjoy your Mercury!
> Regards;
> Jim Mackessy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at roadrunner.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>
>
>> www.oldmercs.com/
>> FAX Toll-Free to 1-888-OLD-MERC (fax only, must be within US) or from
>> outside US Fax to: 610-495-6868
>> Or MAIL it to:
>> East Coast Marine Service
>> Grubb's Marine Division
>> 3363 W. Ridge  Pike
>> Pottstown, PA 19464
>> Or CALL us at 610-495-7774.
>> Here are a few web addresses that may help you in your search for parts.
>> Lyle Myles
>> -------Original Message------- 
>>
>> From: Tom Smith
>> Date: 02/20/07 11:45:02
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>>
>> Edd,
>> It sounds like parts you might be able to fabricate and using a more
>> Modern alloy, you might find the parts would last a bit longer.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Tom
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:22:33 -0000
>> "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy"
>> ><jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>> ><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:29 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>> >
>> >
>> >> Edd;
>> >> Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown,
>> >> Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique
>> >>Mercury
>> >> parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947
>> >>"Hurricane 10".
>> >> I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try
>> >>searching
>> >> for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have
>> >>a group
>> >> and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt
>> >>up some
>> >> info for you.
>> >> Jim Mackessy
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
>> >> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM
>> >> Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>> >>
>> >>> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury
>> >>>outboard on my
>> >>> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking
>> >>>for
>> >>> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust
>> >>>deflector
>> >>> plate and water jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and
>> >>>are
>> >>> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and
>> >>>goes real
>> >>> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old
>> >>>outboard's
>> >> or
>> >>> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till
>> >>>now and
>> >>> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
>> >>> EDD PAYNE
>> >
>> > Have a look at http://www.oldmercs.com/
>> > Dave Croft
>> > Warrington
>> > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
>> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>> >
>> >
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Wed Feb 21 16:28:49 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:28:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org><45DB2EA4.000001.00988@CATS-D22786ABFC><000d01c75579$1464e9b0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>
	<001e01c75609$cbf6ec00$51e9eddc@Edd>
Message-ID: <000501c75618$6c64aed0$6500a8c0@home>

Edd;

   I have a friend who bought  a couple semi trailer loads of old Mercs and 
parts from  Florida , he has many old merc outboards and I would bet he has 
what you need, He drives truck for the company I work for , when I see him I 
will ask him if he has what you need , He lives in Arena Wisconsin just 40 
miles south of me  but is on the road most of the time ,  will let you know 
soon as I find out


Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T


> Thank you all for your help and suggestion's.Have contacted Grub marine 
> and waiting to hear back.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Mackessy" <jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>
>
>> Well Ed, looks like the list comes through again! I got stuck at work for 
>> 13
>> hours today, but it looks like the guys took good care of you. I know the
>> guys at Grubb's will too. Enjoy your Mercury!
>> Regards;
>> Jim Mackessy
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at roadrunner.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>>
>>
>>> www.oldmercs.com/
>>> FAX Toll-Free to 1-888-OLD-MERC (fax only, must be within US) or from
>>> outside US Fax to: 610-495-6868
>>> Or MAIL it to:
>>> East Coast Marine Service
>>> Grubb's Marine Division
>>> 3363 W. Ridge  Pike
>>> Pottstown, PA 19464
>>> Or CALL us at 610-495-7774.
>>> Here are a few web addresses that may help you in your search for parts.
>>> Lyle Myles
>>> -------Original Message------- 
>>>
>>> From: Tom Smith
>>> Date: 02/20/07 11:45:02
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>>>
>>> Edd,
>>> It sounds like parts you might be able to fabricate and using a more
>>> Modern alloy, you might find the parts would last a bit longer.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:22:33 -0000
>>> "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy"
>>> ><jmackess at twcny.rr.com>
>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>>> ><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:29 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Edd;
>>> >> Going back a few years, I think there was a place in Pottstown,
>>> >> Pennsylvania called Grubb's Marine that specialized in antique
>>> >>Mercury
>>> >> parts. He had the coils and water pump impeller for my 1947
>>> >>"Hurricane 10".
>>> >> I'll have to dig a little to find the contact info. You may try
>>> >>searching
>>> >> for the antique outboard collector's organization, I know they have
>>> >>a group
>>> >> and a website somewheres. Tonight when I get a little time I'll hunt
>>> >>up some
>>> >> info for you.
>>> >> Jim Mackessy
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >> From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
>>> >> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:10 AM
>>> >> Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi guys.I am looking for some help regarding the old Mercury
>>> >>>outboard on my
>>> >>> sons boat.It is a 1966 950SS in line 6 cylinder 95HP.We are looking
>>> >>>for
>>> >>> parts and having no luck at all.The parts needed are the exhaust
>>> >>>deflector
>>> >>> plate and water jacket cover plate.These are aluminium castings and
>>> >>>are
>>> >>> badly corroded.The rest of the motor is in excellent condition and
>>> >>>goes real
>>> >>> good.Do any of you know of any supplier of parts for these old
>>> >>>outboard's
>>> >> or
>>> >>> a maker of repo parts.We have searched the net with no luck up till
>>> >>>now and
>>> >>> am hoping there may be some knowledge among you people.
>>> >>> EDD PAYNE
>>> >
>>> > Have a look at http://www.oldmercs.com/
>>> > Dave Croft
>>> > Warrington
>>> > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
>>> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > SEL mailing list
>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Wed Feb 21 16:49:15 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:49:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org><45DB2EA4.000001.00988@CATS-D22786ABFC><000d01c75579$1464e9b0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04>
	<001e01c75609$cbf6ec00$51e9eddc@Edd>
Message-ID: <001601c7561b$47505060$6500a8c0@home>


 Edd;

     Also I have blown up two merc 115 HP out boards and rebuilt them they 
were 1965 in line six's , If my memory is working right the deflector and 
cover are the same bolt pattern from a 90 Hp all the way to a 150 Hp , the 
higher Hp's had differant timing , exhast deflectors and carbs to acheive 
the Hp so maybe you could use parts off one of the bigger engines

Rex 



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Feb 21 17:43:27 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:43:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T
References: <web-393700644@mail.hal-pc.org><45DB2EA4.000001.00988@CATS-D22786ABFC><000d01c75579$1464e9b0$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04><001e01c75609$cbf6ec00$51e9eddc@Edd>
	<001601c7561b$47505060$6500a8c0@home>
Message-ID: <000c01c75622$dfd00fe0$51e9eddc@Edd>

Hi Rex.Thank you for that.Grub marine have got back to us and are unable to 
help so anything you find would be most appreciated.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mercury outboard motorO/T


>
> Edd;
>
>     Also I have blown up two merc 115 HP out boards and rebuilt them they 
> were 1965 in line six's , If my memory is working right the deflector and 
> cover are the same bolt pattern from a 90 Hp all the way to a 150 Hp , the 
> higher Hp's had differant timing , exhast deflectors and carbs to acheive 
> the Hp so maybe you could use parts off one of the bigger engines
>
> Rex
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From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Wed Feb 21 18:27:11 2007
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:27:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] con rod ID
Message-ID: <000601c75628$f55dbc30$b9e8b748@mycomputer>

I have a con rod that i have no idea what engine its made for. Its obviously from an old stationary engine since it has a grease cup on the big end. A80 is cast into the side of this rod. Does anyone have an idea?


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Feb 21 18:36:54 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:36:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] con rod ID
In-Reply-To: <000601c75628$f55dbc30$b9e8b748@mycomputer>
References: <000601c75628$f55dbc30$b9e8b748@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <45DD01C6.5050407@scrtc.com>

Got a photoalong with some dimensions you can post Tom?  Did Aermotor 
use an A prefix on their parts?  Someone might know.  Hagan did a letter 
designation (A thru FF) and cast the letters and numbers on their 
parts.  If I see it I can tell you if its Hagan or not.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>I have a con rod that i have no idea what engine its made for. Its obviously from an old stationary engine since it has a grease cup on the big end. A80 is cast into the side of this rod. Does anyone have an idea?
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Feb 21 18:38:15 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:38:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
Message-ID: <d03.999375b.330e5c17@aol.com>

Glenn, How much larger do you think I need to make the battery box for a  
small battery and a buzz coil, this box is 8X8X8 inches inside?  Where can  I get 
a small knife switch, would you think an Auto parts place would have them?  
Your suggestion on the chain for the lid was well taken, I think I  can  leave 
it off and the hinges will be strong enough to hold the lid OK when it is  
open, Link to one photo below,
 
_http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thec
at=500_ 
(http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500) 
 
Thanks for your comments and suggestions,
 
Bill Miller   
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Wed Feb 21 14:04:04 2007
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:04:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
References: <c20.fd1185a.330cd9b0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01c801c75604$33b13d60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Bill,

I made a battery box several years ago.  I did not have any nice hinges 
handy so I made a sliding lid that I fir up to give
a real nice fit.  Worked great here in Hemet which is hot and dry with low 
humidity, took it to a show by the coast and could hardly get it open.  I 
think this is why sliding lids are almost never seen

Jim

Jim and Diane
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss 
engine.


Thanks Dave, for the comment, this fellow wanted it made out of pine but I
am going to also make one out of oak and see how it looks.

Thanks, Bill Miller.
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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Thu Feb 22 06:03:31 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:03:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss engine.
References: <d03.999375b.330e5c17@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7568a$3d7d83e0$2eb7123f@D8LJ7K91>

Bill,

If you go to 10" inside on the battery box, that would be a big help.  Lee 
Pedersen has nice single pole ceramic knife switches.  Instead of the lid 
chain, you could go to a suitable cord.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Questions on Battery box I built for a Hit and Miss 
engine.


> Glenn, How much larger do you think I need to make the battery box for a
> small battery and a buzz coil, this box is 8X8X8 inches inside?  Where can 
> I get
> a small knife switch, would you think an Auto parts place would have them?
> Your suggestion on the chain for the lid was well taken, I think I  can 
> leave
> it off and the hinges will be strong enough to hold the lid OK when it is
> open, Link to one photo below,
>
> _http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thec
> at=500_
> (http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=31344&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500)
>
> Thanks for your comments and suggestions,
>
> Bill Miller
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From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Feb 22 07:52:11 2007
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:52:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] con rod ID
References: <000601c75628$f55dbc30$b9e8b748@mycomputer>
	<45DD01C6.5050407@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000401c75699$6a93bac0$b9e8b748@mycomputer>

Thanks for the response..this rod is exactly 12 inches center to center. 
Pictures of it are at: http://community.webshots.com/user/stellar_jay.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] con rod ID


> Got a photoalong with some dimensions you can post Tom?  Did Aermotor use 
> an A prefix on their parts?  Someone might know.  Hagan did a letter 
> designation (A thru FF) and cast the letters and numbers on their parts. 
> If I see it I can tell you if its Hagan or not.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>I have a con rod that i have no idea what engine its made for. Its 
>>obviously from an old stationary engine since it has a grease cup on the 
>>big end. A80 is cast into the side of this rod. Does anyone have an idea?
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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Thu Feb 22 10:19:33 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:19:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] con rod ID
References: <000601c75628$f55dbc30$b9e8b748@mycomputer><45DD01C6.5050407@scrtc.com>
	<000401c75699$6a93bac0$b9e8b748@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <000a01c756ae$020ca5b0$93e7123f@D8LJ7K91>

Tom,

The dimensions and appearance would lead me to believe that the rod is from 
a 1 1/2 - 1 3/4 - 2 HP Hercules built engine.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Dunlap" <tdunlap at satx.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] con rod ID


> Thanks for the response..this rod is exactly 12 inches center to center. 
> Pictures of it are at: http://community.webshots.com/user/stellar_jay.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] con rod ID
>
>
>> Got a photoalong with some dimensions you can post Tom?  Did Aermotor use 
>> an A prefix on their parts?  Someone might know.  Hagan did a letter 
>> designation (A thru FF) and cast the letters and numbers on their parts. 
>> If I see it I can tell you if its Hagan or not.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>>I have a con rod that i have no idea what engine its made for. Its 
>>>obviously from an old stationary engine since it has a grease cup on the 
>>>big end. A80 is cast into the side of this rod. Does anyone have an idea?
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 23 08:03:56 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:03:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Wood Splitter
Message-ID: <BAY129-F10E038A12BD86BA2582571C88E0@phx.gbl>

Thought some of you would enjoy seeing these pictures that someone posted to 
a different forum I read.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/splitter1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/splitter2.jpg

and a movie showing one being used. (large file)

http://165.234.175.12/photos/Equipment/Rick%20Klebe%20Splitter.wmv

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

_________________________________________________________________
Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more?.then map the best route! 
http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 23 08:26:15 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:26:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
Message-ID: <BAY129-F34514A3B9A520016574D33C88E0@phx.gbl>

Just finished up a page of some pictures I took at a show (2006) in 
Allendale, Michigan. Mainly tractors, but some other stuff in there too.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale06/allendale2006.html


Here are the other pages from 2006. I have them on my main links page now, 
not sure if I have posted all of them before or not.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo06/kalamazoo06.html
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/oakley06/oakley06.html
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port06/thumbnails.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

_________________________________________________________________
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http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Feb 23 08:48:00 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:48:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wood Splitter
In-Reply-To: <BAY129-F10E038A12BD86BA2582571C88E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY129-F10E038A12BD86BA2582571C88E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <45DF1AC0.1030407@scrtc.com>

Yeah Luke and the end of the week they could total it up:

10 cords of wood
3 lost fingers

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Thought some of you would enjoy seeing these pictures that someone 
> posted to a different forum I read.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/splitter1.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/splitter2.jpg
>
> and a movie showing one being used. (large file)
>
> http://165.234.175.12/photos/Equipment/Rick%20Klebe%20Splitter.wmv
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more?.then map the best 
> route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Feb 23 11:24:30 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:24:30 EST
Subject: [SEL] Wood Splitter
Message-ID: <d3a.2f79a20.3310996e@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/23/2007 12:02:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
Yeah Luke and the end of the week they could total it up:
10 cords of wood
3 lost fingers

I sure thought the same thing and figured OSHA would not approve of it!


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 24 09:38:44 2007
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:38:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <BAY129-F34514A3B9A520016574D33C88E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F36A146D3ECB0A0D996908BD08D0@phx.gbl>

Just like to say thanks Luke, for some great pictures.  John


>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:26:15 +0000
>
>Just finished up a page of some pictures I took at a show (2006) in 
>Allendale, Michigan. Mainly tractors, but some other stuff in there too.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale06/allendale2006.html
>
>
>Here are the other pages from 2006. I have them on my main links page now, 
>not sure if I have posted all of them before or not.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo06/kalamazoo06.html
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/oakley06/oakley06.html
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port06/thumbnails.html
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. 
>http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Feb 26 09:25:34 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:25:34 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates and earning a living.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070226191236.00ad8b80@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Just to let you know that I've (at last) started etching the 
outstanding orders for brass spec. plates. I did the first few last night 
and will do more tonight.

         To those of you who have outstanding orders with me - thanks for 
all of your patience - as mentioned about 3 weeks ago I've been under a lot 
of pressure from work since November but, although I still have a lot of 
work on hand, I've got a chance to do some of the etching in between. 
Hopefully I will have caught up within the next 2 weeks.
         I think that I have sent artwork proofs to everyone who contacted 
me but if I've missed anyone please contact me off list and I'll send them 
to you. I have done all the artwork for all outstanding orders. (except 
that Novo - it'll happen soon)

         I've just finished a big (for me) signage job for Sandstone 
Estates so thought that I would put up a webpage to show you guys what I do 
for a living (My Daytime Job).  I often wonder what line other members are 
in so I thought I'd get the ball rolling. How about some of you letting the 
rest of the list what you do in real life? Maybe a webpage or even just a 
post to the list.
         I've put a page here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/sssigns/index.htm>


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Feb 26 09:55:53 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:55:53 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Digest's late
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070226195416.00ae1190@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         I get the Digest version of the SEL - it's nearly an hour late - 
hell I'm getting withdrawal symptoms - better go get another drink :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Feb 26 13:01:38 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:01:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates and earning a living.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070226191236.00ad8b80@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070226191236.00ad8b80@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070227075742.01b593a8@ncable.com.au>

G'day Jerry, mate lucky your not standing on a step lader up on the 
pallet lifter over here in Oz, the OH & S boys would have a field day 
on you.  You would need to be in a cage all strap in to some kind of 
harness etc.
None the less nice job.  If your feeling peckish check out our 
website, recently updated : www.thegourmetchef.com.au

regards Russell

At 04:25 AM 27/02/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Guys,
>         Just to let you know that I've (at last) started etching 
> the outstanding orders for brass spec. plates. I did the first few 
> last night and will do more tonight.
>
>         To those of you who have outstanding orders with me - 
> thanks for all of your patience - as mentioned about 3 weeks ago 
> I've been under a lot of pressure from work since November but, 
> although I still have a lot of work on hand, I've got a chance to 
> do some of the etching in between. Hopefully I will have caught up 
> within the next 2 weeks.
>         I think that I have sent artwork proofs to everyone who 
> contacted me but if I've missed anyone please contact me off list 
> and I'll send them to you. I have done all the artwork for all 
> outstanding orders. (except that Novo - it'll happen soon)
>
>         I've just finished a big (for me) signage job for Sandstone 
> Estates so thought that I would put up a webpage to show you guys 
> what I do for a living (My Daytime Job).  I often wonder what line 
> other members are in so I thought I'd get the ball rolling. How 
> about some of you letting the rest of the list what you do in real 
> life? Maybe a webpage or even just a post to the list.
>         I've put a page here:
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/sssigns/index.htm>
>
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Tel. (016) 365-5787
>Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
>Cell: 083 293 7191
>Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
>www.oldengine.org/members/evans
>
>_______________________________________________
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Feb 26 13:44:15 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:44:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates and earning a living.
Message-ID: <c25.10ed9885.3314aeaf@aol.com>

Jerry,

Great work!  Thanks for photos and write up.

Millie and I are headed out with the trailer and junk for Florida in the 
morning to a show and see some of the other list members.

http://old-engine.com/zolfo.htm


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Feb 26 15:37:59 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:37:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT,, For Edd Payne ,Merc 950ss OUTBOARD PARTS
Message-ID: <002101c759ff$26d0a910$6500a8c0@home>

Hi Edd;

    Talked to Larry the fellow who has all the Merc parts and he is almost positive he has what you need and would ask $50.00US plus shipping , he was on his way out with with a load for down south and won't be back for a couple weeks , He is a very good friend and true to his word , let me know if you want or don't want the parts ,   he also says any inline six merc from 90HP to 150 HP plate and cover  will work . I had an extra 115Hp but gave it away about a year ago, hope this helps.

Rex Hinz 


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Mon Feb 26 16:20:55 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:20:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT,, For Edd Payne ,Merc 950ss OUTBOARD PARTS
References: <002101c759ff$26d0a910$6500a8c0@home>
Message-ID: <000601c75a05$26dad380$d752ecdc@Edd>

Hi Rex.That's great.If it's in good order we will take it.Also could you ask 
him if he has an exhaust deflector plate.Let me know when you have a total 
price and I will get the money of to you.Do you need any other info . Thank 
you for all your help.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:37 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT,, For Edd Payne ,Merc 950ss OUTBOARD PARTS


> Hi Edd;
>
>    Talked to Larry the fellow who has all the Merc parts and he is almost 
> positive he has what you need and would ask $50.00US plus shipping , he 
> was on his way out with with a load for down south and won't be back for a 
> couple weeks , He is a very good friend and true to his word , let me know 
> if you want or don't want the parts ,   he also says any inline six merc 
> from 90HP to 150 HP plate and cover  will work . I had an extra 115Hp but 
> gave it away about a year ago, hope this helps.
>
> Rex Hinz
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Feb 26 17:56:48 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:56:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT,, For Edd Payne ,Merc 950ss OUTBOARD PARTS
References: <002101c759ff$26d0a910$6500a8c0@home>
	<000601c75a05$26dad380$d752ecdc@Edd>
Message-ID: <000601c75a12$8b97efd0$6500a8c0@home>

Edd;

     The price includes the exhaust deflector plate and the water jacket 
cover,  I hope you not in a real hurry as he has to get home and dig them 
out and this guy has very many projects like us engine people , He buys and 
restores old White semi trucks , I will keep after him , also make sure your 
merc is running at the recommended RPM as I used a clever prop and got lots 
of speed but not so far , too many RPM"S and busted up the roller rod 
bearings and pieces of bearing tore up the pistons and jugs ,

Rex

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT,, For Edd Payne ,Merc 950ss OUTBOARD PARTS


> Hi Rex.That's great.If it's in good order we will take it.Also could you 
> ask him if he has an exhaust deflector plate.Let me know when you have a 
> total price and I will get the money of to you.Do you need any other info 
> . Thank you for all your help.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:37 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT,, For Edd Payne ,Merc 950ss OUTBOARD PARTS
>
>
>> Hi Edd;
>>
>>    Talked to Larry the fellow who has all the Merc parts and he is almost 
>> positive he has what you need and would ask $50.00US plus shipping , he 
>> was on his way out with with a load for down south and won't be back for 
>> a couple weeks , He is a very good friend and true to his word , let me 
>> know if you want or don't want the parts ,   he also says any inline six 
>> merc from 90HP to 150 HP plate and cover  will work . I had an extra 
>> 115Hp but gave it away about a year ago, hope this helps.
>>
>> Rex Hinz
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
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From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Feb 26 19:43:03 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:43:03 -0700
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?U3BhbT4gUmU6IFtTRUxdIExpc3RlciBHZW5zZQ==?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?B?dCBoZWxw?=
In-Reply-To: <45DB54E1.3040000@semidiesel.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070220212935.00adafb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<45DB54E1.3040000@semidiesel.com>
Message-ID: <45E3A8C7.8020800@telus.net>

Hello Paul,
	Did you send a manual to me at rwenig at telus.net? If so, It hasn't 
arrived in my inbox yet.

Rupert

Paul Evans wrote:
> Manuals set off list.
> 
> Paul
> 

-- 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Feb 26 19:56:31 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:56:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0702191605290.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>	<45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com>
	<45DA0CE1.8000804@telus.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702191605290.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <45E3ABEF.2040501@telus.net>

Hello Arnie,
	Thanks for the link. Peter has a wealth of info on his site. I 
downloaded the images under "Lister A series Petrol Engines" and will 
take to the museum. They were hoping to find a detail picture showing 
the oil dip on the end of the crank. The dipper is missing so one has to 
be manufactured.

Rupert

Arnie Fero wrote:
> Hi Rupert,
> 
> You can spend some time prowling around through the Lister info here...
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Technical/Techdata.htm
> 
> Peter Forbes can no doubt point you to the exact pages you need.
> 
> He can probably also pull an unused rod bearing shell off his spares
> shelves.  Good luck!!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Rupert Wenig wrote:
> 
>> 	The local museum has a lister Genset that has spun the connecting rod
>> bearing. Fortunately, the problem was caught right away so the crank is
>> still ok. I am listing the information I can get from name plates on the
>> unit below. We would like to find a manual for it plus we would like to
>> know if a connecting rod bearing shell is still available and where
>> from. I think the cause of the problem is the oil dip tube is missing
>> but I'm not sure. A picture or a sketch of the dip tube would be a big
>> help too.
>>
>> 	The specs are as follows:
>>  From the engine name plate:
>> 	No. 66597
>> 	Spec no. A661
>> 	HP 3
>> 	Rpm 725
>>  From the control panel plate:
>> 	Type RHIA
>> 	No. 139
>>  From the plate on the side of the generator:
>> 	Dynamo no. 70L236
>> 	Voltage 43/32
>> 	Amperage 40
> 
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From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Feb 26 19:58:08 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:58:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister Genset help
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702192323n451501e0u4ef108cfd563021f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070219050439.6AE0C313C1A@mx-in03.sjc.mail-abuse.org>	<45D9903C.6080409@scrtc.com>
	<45DA0CE1.8000804@telus.net>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0702191605290.441@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160702192323n451501e0u4ef108cfd563021f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45E3AC50.4000701@telus.net>

Hello Peter,
	I will let them know what you may have for parts. Thanks.

Rupert

Listerdiesel wrote:
> Rupert's engine is an A series petrol engine, and I am pretty sure we
> haven't any big-end bearings for that engine. Might have a secondhand
> rod with shells (part of a job lot of Lister bits we bought some years
> back from a guy near Southampton) but it's a long shot.
> 
> Peter

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From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Feb 26 19:59:38 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:59:38 -0700
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?U3BhbT4gUmU6IFtTRUxdIExpc3RlciBHZW5zZQ==?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?B?dCBoZWxw?=
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070220212935.00adafb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070220212935.00adafb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <45E3ACAA.3090807@telus.net>

Thanks Jerry. I'm checking the site.

Rupert

Jerry Evans wrote:
> 
> Hi Rupert,
>         there are engine manuals for the Lister A available  on Paul 
> Evans's site for a small donation:
> <http://www.internalfire.com/>
>         I'm not sure about the genset manual though.
> 
> 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Feb 27 12:23:01 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:23:01 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates and earning a living.
In-Reply-To: <200702271700.l1RH04u8013482@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200702272226578.SM01336@new.databak.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 27/02/2007, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:01:38 +1100
>From: Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Brass spec plates and earning a living.
>
>G'day Jerry, mate lucky your not standing on a step lader up on the
>pallet lifter over here in Oz, the OH & S boys would have a field day
>on you.  You would need to be in a cage all strap in to some kind of
>harness etc.
>None the less nice job.  If your feeling peckish check out our
>website, recently updated : www.thegourmetchef.com.au
>regards Russell

Hi Russell,
         I know - we do have safety rules here as well and if the 
inspectors found something like this they would throw the book at him 
(unless they got a big bribe which is becoming more and more of a problem 
here).
         The guy on the ladder is a private contractor and you will notice 
he is alone up there - he did not ask his staff to go up there with him. 
Also this was done on a farm - far away from prying eyes.
He would never get away with it if doing the same thing regularly in an 
urban area :-)
         Fortunately for him (and most other sign riggers) it is a case of 
work here today and somewhere else tomorrow. He has been doing this job for 
over 30 years and uses a mountaineers harness or a "bosun's chair" on high 
rise buildings with safety harnesses and the like. This job was a "low 
risk" one as far as he was concerned - only 9 metres from the ground ! He 
has only fallen once from about 12 metres when a ladder collapsed -  a few 
cracked a few ribs and a bit of damage to his pelvis when he hit the bottom 
of the ladder. He was back on the job within 10 days, crutches and all. 
These guys are a breed of their own.

         Your catering site looks good.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 27 15:49:43 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:49:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
Message-ID: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>

My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.

Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?

Paul



From bboyce at swat.coop  Tue Feb 27 16:21:32 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:21:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <000f01c75ace$669d0dc0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

paul, if the visor is rigid, plexiglass would be an option,, its available 
at most  glass shops,,,,
by the way, are you going to make the Brinkley show? its march 9 and 10,,, 
always a great show,,  hope to see you there,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians
----------------------
Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable 
visor on a Sandblast Helmet?

Paul





From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca  Tue Feb 27 18:47:39 2007
From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:47:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Bosch Type 22 Oscillating Magneto
Message-ID: <486860.85210.qm@web51401.mail.yahoo.com>

Would there be anyone who might have or know where to find information or a manual for an American-Bosch Type 22 Oscillating Mag.
  Thanks, in advance, Larry.

 		
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Feb 27 17:24:03 2007
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:24:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <20070228022345.444B8627826@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org>

Hi Paul,Do you have a"TAP PLASTIC" near you?

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:50 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute

My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear
plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting as
the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in
Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute
until I can order some and could not find anything.

Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable
visor on a Sandblast Helmet?

Paul

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From reb1952 at bellsouth.net  Tue Feb 27 17:08:41 2007
From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:08:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <004901c75ad4$fcf80df0$0202a8c0@Dads>

Paul can you cut one out of Plexiglas?

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:49 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute


My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear 
plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting as 
the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in 
Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute 
until I can order some and could not find anything.

Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable 
visor on a Sandblast Helmet?

Paul

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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Feb 27 17:00:01 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:00:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <45E4D411.40604@imc-group.com>

Paul,
I order a roll of mylar sheet from McMaster Carr and "re-skin" the glass 
on the cabinet blaster. Very economical. You could do the same for your 
hood.

Food for thought, my hood has a fine wire mesh that protects the glass. 
Yes it cuts some light out, but it sure keeps the glass clear.
Curt

Paul Maples wrote:
> My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>
> Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>
> Paul
>
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From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Feb 27 18:13:51 2007
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:13:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F353FEB5A9179AC9FB31130E7810@phx.gbl>

Bill uses regular old "plexy glass", they don't last long, but they are 
easily replacable.  He has been using this as a "lens" for as long as he has 
been sand blasting (about 30 years).

Hope this helps,
Peg Pfeiffer


>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:49:43 -0600
>
>My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear 
>plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting 
>as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store 
>in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a 
>substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>
>Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a 
>replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>
>Paul
>
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Feb 27 19:14:02 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:14:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <200702280314.l1S3EHYj038299@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:50 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute

My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear
plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting as
the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in
Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute
until I can order some and could not find anything.

Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable
visor on a Sandblast Helmet?

Paul

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Paul, did your helmet have a piece of throw-away plastic over the window?
If so, I get Warp's Flex-o-Glass at our farm supply store and cut it to
size.  It is relatively cheap.  It can be held in place with tape.  I use
Scotch double-stick on my bead blasting cabinet windows.  

If your viewing window didn't have a cover, you can get a replacement
polycarbonate shield at your welding supply store and cut it to size.  After
you've done that, tape a throw-away layer on top of it.

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   






From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 27 19:35:47 2007
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:35:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-F353FEB5A9179AC9FB31130E7810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <192299.10683.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just use a plain old cheapo welding helmet for a sandblast hood, with a
clear lense cut from plexiglass it it. To make the lense last longer, I
cover the bottom half with duct tape. When I can't see through the top
half, I peel the tape off and look through the bottom half.
It is a good idea to wear ear plugs and a good mask. A dust mask is not
enough to catch the fines, a respirator is best. Silicosis is a nasty
disease, and once you realize you aren't bullet proof, it is too late.
Joe


 
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From rwenig at telus.net  Tue Feb 27 17:19:35 2007
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:19:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <45E4D8A7.2040603@telus.net>

Hello Paul,
	Stationary stores in this area carry a clear plastic sheet about that 
thickness. I don't know if it will fit your use but I think it might 
work until a replacement can be obtained. Also, the disposable 
protective sheets from a sand blast cabinet may work.

Rupert

Paul Maples wrote:
> My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010)
> clear plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to
> stop blasting as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I
> went to every store in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that
> would work for a substitute until I can order some and could not find
> anything.
> 
> Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a
> replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
> 
> Paul
> 
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> 
> 

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Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Feb 27 19:13:04 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:13:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
Message-ID: <20070227.222048.1176.8.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Paul,

I'm not familiar with what you might have - but - 
Have you tried any of the Moto-Cross Motorcycle places?
They have something similar for racing goggles.


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 00:18:14 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:18:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702280018s3e93076ble8923a0fe1fcfa9d@mail.gmail.com>

On 27/02/07, Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>
> Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>
> Paul
>

Tradename: 'Makrolon' is a hard skinned scratch resistant and
shatterproof product. It may have a different name near you, but all
the big plastic companies have an equivalent.

We only use 6mm thick at the factory, otherwise I'd cut a piece and
send it over.

Peter
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 27 19:20:51 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:20:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <BAY113-F353FEB5A9179AC9FB31130E7810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004e01c75ae7$73bd00a0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Hi Peg,

The inner visor which is sewn into the helmet, and is curved, is perfect and 
not replaceable, it is the sacrificial visor that sits in front of the main 
visor that I am trying to find a quick replacement for until I can get some 
ordered.

Plexiglas is too stiff for the outer sacrificial visor for this helmet.

Good to hear from you.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute


> Bill uses regular old "plexy glass", they don't last long, but they are 
> easily replacable.  He has been using this as a "lens" for as long as he 
> has been sand blasting (about 30 years).
>
> Hope this helps,
> Peg Pfeiffer
>
>
>>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
>>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:49:43 -0600
>>
>>My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear 
>>plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting 
>>as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store 
>>in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a 
>>substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>>
>>Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a 
>>replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>>
>>Paul
>>
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Feb 27 17:17:34 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:17:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070227201111.02efdc70@pop3.wcoil.com>

I've used a welding helmet. Most have replaceable lenses, and I removed all 
the lenses and replace them with clear plexi plates cut to size and 
installed to replace the welding lenses then wear a hooded sweatshirt. This 
is a bit warm in the summer but it keeps the sand from getting into your 
hair and other unwanted places.     Mark



At 06:49 PM 2/27/07, you wrote:
>My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear 
>plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting 
>as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store 
>in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a 
>substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>
>Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a 
>replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>
>Paul


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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 00:21:11 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:21:11 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160702280018s3e93076ble8923a0fe1fcfa9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<6f6025160702280018s3e93076ble8923a0fe1fcfa9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160702280021s6accb56pbffec211c718c77f@mail.gmail.com>

On 28/02/07, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Tradename: 'Makrolon'

http://www.makrolon.com/BMS/DB-RSC/MakrolonCMSR6.nsf/id/home_en

Peter
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 28 04:29:09 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:29:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <200702280314.l1S3EHYj038299@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <003401c75b34$0c1eca80$240110ac@FAMILY>

Good Morning Orrin,

Yes my helmet has a plastic throw away cover over the window and this is 
what I am trying to come up with a replacement for. I have never heard of 
Warp's Flex-O-Glass but we have two farm supply stores in town and I will 
give them a ring this morning.

Thanks for the idea.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:50 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
>
> My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear
> plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting 
> as
> the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store in
> Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a substitute
> until I can order some and could not find anything.
>
> Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a 
> replaceable
> visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>
> Paul
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Paul, did your helmet have a piece of throw-away plastic over the window?
> If so, I get Warp's Flex-o-Glass at our farm supply store and cut it to
> size.  It is relatively cheap.  It can be held in place with tape.  I use
> Scotch double-stick on my bead blasting cabinet windows.
>
> If your viewing window didn't have a cover, you can get a replacement
> polycarbonate shield at your welding supply store and cut it to size. 
> After
> you've done that, tape a throw-away layer on top of it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 27 19:22:03 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:22:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <20070228022345.444B8627826@mx-in01.sjc.mail-abuse.org>
Message-ID: <005701c75ae7$9e98fcc0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Never heard of it Jim,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute


> Hi Paul,Do you have a"TAP PLASTIC" near you?
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:50 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
> 
>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 27 19:26:51 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:26:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <006e01c75ac9$f478eb00$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<45E4D411.40604@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <006201c75ae8$4a0dcf40$240110ac@FAMILY>

Curt do you have a part number for the Mylar sheet you order for your 
cabinet? I just recently installed a screen in front of my plastic visor in 
my sandblast cabinet so now I have the aluminum screen, the plastic 
replaceable visor and then the main cabinet glass. I used aluminum screen 
and this cut down very little light, I had tried black screen but this was 
too dark.

Let me know what the part number is of the Mylar you order from McMaster 
Carr and I will order a roll. Francis Maciel had suggested McMaster Carr to 
me in an earlier post also.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute


> Paul,
> I order a roll of mylar sheet from McMaster Carr and "re-skin" the glass 
> on the cabinet blaster. Very economical. You could do the same for your 
> hood.
>
> Food for thought, my hood has a fine wire mesh that protects the glass. 
> Yes it cuts some light out, but it sure keeps the glass clear.
> Curt
>
> Paul Maples wrote:
>> My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear 
>> plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting 
>> as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every 
>> store in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a 
>> substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a 
>> replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>>
>> Paul
>>
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Feb 28 08:58:15 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:58:15 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <003401c75b34$0c1eca80$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <200702281658.l1SGwRrf029228@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:29 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute

Good Morning Orrin,

Yes my helmet has a plastic throw away cover over the window and this is 
what I am trying to come up with a replacement for. I have never heard of 
Warp's Flex-O-Glass but we have two farm supply stores in town and I will 
give them a ring this morning.

Thanks for the idea.

Paul

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I hope you can find some, Paul, because it is reasonably inexpensive.  I use
it in my bead blast cabinet.  Throw-aways from the manufacturer cost about
$5, each.  Flex-O-Glass and double-stick Scotch tape are but a tiny fraction
of that. 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Feb 28 10:25:34 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:25:34 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
In-Reply-To: <200702281700.l1SH038l012528@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070228195011.00aadb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 28/02/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:49:43 -0600
>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
>
>My throw away visor on my sandblast helmet is made of 10 mil (.010) clear 
>plastic that is 7-1/4" wide by 14-1/4" long. Today I had to stop blasting 
>as the existing visor got so blurry I could not see. I went to every store 
>in Searcy trying to find a piece of plastic that would work for a 
>substitute until I can order some and could not find anything.
>Does anyone know of a common local product that would work for a 
>replaceable visor on a Sandblast Helmet?
>Paul

Hi Paul,
         This question cropped up previously. My previous business was a 
plastic supply house and we supplied a lot of material for sandblasting 
cabinets as well as goggles.

         Quite a few people have mentioned "Plexiglas". Plexiglas is a 
trade name for acrylic sheet (polymethylmethacrylate or PMMA)  (I cannot 
remember who's but it may be Rohm & Haas) and is the same material as 
"Perspex" (which is I.C.I's trade name).  Although this does work, it is 
not the ideal material as it is very hard and scratches very easily.

         We always supplied Polycarbonate (PC) (Peter Forbes mentioned 
Makrolon which is a trade name for polycarbonate as is Lexan). PC is much 
stronger than acrylic but also a bit softer and is better at resisting 
scratches from stuff like sandblast grit. It will also get to the stage 
that it needs replacement but will last longer than acrylic. This was 
available as a .5mm (half a millimetre) sheet that you could cut with a 
good strong pair of scissors or snips and we supplied this for goggles.
         Another material we used to supply for the goggles was rigid P.V.C 
(Polyvinylchloride). The rigid variety used to be called uPVC - the small 
"u" meaning it was unplasticised. I'm not sure if clear rigid uPVC is still 
available but is was available in thinner sheets which could be cut with 
normal scissors. It was used extensively for vacuum forming (like the clear 
plastic blister stapled to a piece of card that holds a product on display 
in a shop). It was not as good as polycarbonate but much cheaper and easier 
to cut.

         Someone mentioned a motorcycle shop - the motocross riders use a 
pair of goggles with tearaway strips over the lens - when they splash 
through mud they rip the next layer off -mud and all. I do not know if they 
would work for sandblasting but it sounds like a good idea.

         After we sold the business in 1986 my partner moved to Fort Smith 
in Arkansas and opened the same type of business there under the same name 
(Mr. Plastic). I do not know where you are in relation to him but he would 
be able to help. His name is Eugene Snyman tel. toll free
877-MrPlastic. I got out of plastics at that time but he is still involved 
and would be able to advise. If anyone does talk to him - Say Hi from Jerry 
in S.A.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com  Wed Feb 28 15:44:11 2007
From: dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:44:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need help moving a Delco Light Plant.
References: <002001c74746$b4b0d8c0$6eaa123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <000c01c75b92$593b2670$6400a8c0@Family>

Hi Folks,

My youngest brother decided that he wanted an engine of his own some time 
ago.  He was looking over Enginads last night and found a small Delco Light 
plant he was interested in located in Pendleton, IN, about 35 miles north of 
Indianapolis.  I called the fellow who had it for sale and my brother agreed 
to buy it.  Is there anyone who might be traveling through or near 
Indianapolis who would be willing to help bring it further east?  I will be 
attending the summer Coolspring show or would be willing to meet someone. 
Thanks.

Sincerely,
Tommy Stojanov 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 28 17:44:05 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:44:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070228195011.00aadb70@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <011701c75ba3$1911eaf0$240110ac@FAMILY>

I want to thank everyone who wrote in with suggestions for a temporary 
substitute for a sacrificial visor for my sandblast helmet, I got a lot of 
super ideas and I appreciate each and every one of them, many thanks Guys.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:25 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need Sandblast Helmet Visor Substitute


>>>Paul
>
> Hi Paul,
>         This question cropped up previously. My previous business was a 
> plastic supply house and we supplied a lot of material for sandblasting 
> cabinets as well as goggles.
>
>         Quite a few people have mentioned "Plexiglas". Plexiglas is a 
> trade name for acrylic sheet (polymethylmethacrylate or PMMA)  (I cannot 
> remember who's but it may be Rohm & Haas) and is the same material as 
> "Perspex" (which is I.C.I's trade name).  Although this does work, it is 
> not the ideal material as it is very hard and scratches very easily.
>
>         We always supplied Polycarbonate (PC) (Peter Forbes mentioned 
> Makrolon which is a trade name for polycarbonate as is Lexan). PC is much 
> stronger than acrylic but also a bit softer and is better at resisting 
> scratches from stuff like sandblast grit. It will also get to the stage 
> that it