From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Dec 1 07:18:43 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:18:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine info In-Reply-To: <005501c833e7$95d8bb50$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: Peter: What post?? Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 12:59 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list; Oldengine.org > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine info > > > Hi All > Forget the last post on the Mystery engine, I was > having a senior's moment > and was one email ahead of myself > > Peter, Oz From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 1 09:52:28 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:52:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Witte diesel followed me home !! Message-ID: <200712012033765.SM01896@Laptop.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, I just want to say thanks for all the responses I got to this post. I'm not going to mention each of you by name but have got a lot of information on the engine from all over the world. I still have not found a serial number but it appears to be from about 1948 - older would have been nice but it's still a nice engine and very unusual around here. I now feel confident enough about it's restoration. Internally it is in very good condition with a few not too difficult things missing on the outside. Thanks again. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 1 11:03:51 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:03:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 45, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071201210105.00bc8330@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 01/12/2007, you wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:05:51 -0600 >From: Bruce Younger >Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > >Interesting critter, Jerry. The oil filter can appears identical to the >one on my '51 Plymouth. I've seen these pumping oil in the outback of Texas. Thanks for your reply Bruce, The missing fuel pump on my engine also appears to be of automobile origin. It's good when manufacturers use readily available parts instead of re-inventing the wheel at much higher cost to the consumer, >Bruce Younger Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 2 08:59:06 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:59:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Really Unusual Novo Message-ID: <1196614746.4752e45a573d8@webmail.city-net.com> Predates the Rollr maybe? Or maybe later? Any thoughts? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=140185874662 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 2 09:01:08 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:01:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cute Little Stocking Stuffer Message-ID: <1196614868.4752e4d471d23@webmail.city-net.com> and JUST in time for Christmas!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260186640655 Item name: Fairbanks Morse 1920s Cast Iron Z Engine Promo From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Dec 2 16:25:43 2007 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:25:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mitchell Drag Saw Revisited, again Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20071202162439.04509ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Hi..... You folks might remember a few months ago I was trying to help identify a large old drag saw from an old family picture a lady in Portland Oregon found. She had a couple of pictures, one showing a picture of her grandfather with the saw. Dave Otto came up with the idea that it might be from the Mitchell Lewis & Staver company which was (and is) an industrial equipment supplier based in the Portland area. Several people suggested that the engine was an early vertical Stover. Bonnie, the lady with the pictures, was able to contact Mitchell Lewis & Staver and they sent her a scan from an old catalog page that I'm sure confirms that her grandfather's drag was a Mitchell saw sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ to see the pictures of this really neat machine and the old catalog page. Also I've put up a recent picture of Curt Andree's 1905 5 hp. Stover model "C" for comparison. Thanks to all who helped solve the mystery. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Dec 2 22:21:46 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:21:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Message-ID: <20071203062153.3C564405447@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Merry Christmas everyone. Anyone know who keeps the pre 1911 list for FM engines and is willing to SHARE it [Dave]? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca.415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Mon Dec 3 00:24:57 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:24:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers References: <20071203062153.3C564405447@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <000d01c83585$fd3d13a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Hi Jim, I do not know if anyone came up with something better but here is an estimate I made several years ago on pre-1911 F-M engines: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim O'Hagan To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Merry Christmas everyone. Anyone know who keeps the pre 1911 list for FM engines and is willing to SHARE it [Dave]? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca.415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Dec 3 00:34:14 2007 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:34:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <20071203062153.3C564405447@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20071203062153.3C564405447@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20071203003128.040a6f88@pop.att.yahoo.com> At 10:21 PM 12/2/2007, you wrote: >Merry Christmas everyone. Anyone know who keeps the pre 1911 list for FM >engines and is willing to SHARE it [Dave]? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan >Novato,Ca.415 892 0236 > >Jim O'Hagan Jim, Denis Rouleau is who you are thinking of. See: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html for the results of all research several years ago. Regards, Larry Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 05:04:07 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:04:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - Worldwide Broadband Infrastructure and speeds Message-ID: <6f6025160712030504q6462bb35re97cf1cf369cc7c6@mail.gmail.com> This article on the BBC website my answer a few questions about what speeds are available and are actually delivered: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7098992.stm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 13:12:15 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:12:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <000d01c83585$fd3d13a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <20071203211224.0FB7540544F@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Thank you Dennis and Larry. That is exactly the list that I needed. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Denis Rouleau Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:25 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Hi Jim, I do not know if anyone came up with something better but here is an estimate I made several years ago on pre-1911 F-M engines: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim O'Hagan To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Merry Christmas everyone. Anyone know who keeps the pre 1911 list for FM engines and is willing to SHARE it [Dave]? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca.415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at att.net Mon Dec 3 14:18:16 2007 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:18:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Message-ID: <724287.16049.qm@web83719.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Jim, I am glad you brought up the Fairbanks Morse serial list. I have a 2 HP Jack of All Trades with 03149 on the boss where the hot tube goes and 22166 (1902) on the head. The tag is blank but has patent dates from 1892 to 1907 on it. I wonder just what I have? I wonder if there shouldn't be a 1 before the 03149 making it a 1911? But there is no 1 to be seen? Glenn ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim O'Hagan To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 12:21:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Merry Christmas everyone. Anyone know who keeps the pre 1911 list for FM engines and is willing to SHARE it [Dave]? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca.415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Mon Dec 3 14:49:36 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:49:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers References: <724287.16049.qm@web83719.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002501c835fe$c76b1c30$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Hi Glenn, Way back then when I compiled data about the pre-1911 F-M engines several people approached me with info saying that their serial number started with a zero. It was thought then that these were replacement parts, like for a busted cylinder for example. So in your case if the head is original to this engine it would be a 1902 engine and when the cylinder needed to be replaced sometimes after 1907 a new one came with serial #03149 and a tag of the current era. Take it for what it is worth but this is a possibility. Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Karch To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Jim, I am glad you brought up the Fairbanks Morse serial list. I have a 2 HP Jack of All Trades with 03149 on the boss where the hot tube goes and 22166 (1902) on the head. The tag is blank but has patent dates from 1892 to 1907 on it. I wonder just what I have? I wonder if there shouldn't be a 1 before the 03149 making it a 1911? But there is no 1 to be seen? Glenn From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Dec 3 15:24:59 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:24:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mitchell Drag Saw Revisited, again References: <6.0.1.1.2.20071202162439.04509ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for posting Larry. A perfect ending!! RickinMt. Subject: [SEL] Mitchell Drag Saw Revisited, again From jbcast at charter.net Mon Dec 3 16:20:58 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:20:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home Message-ID: <20071203192058.0YZZX.21513.root@fepweb09> I found a Desjardins this weekend, a rather large engine, guessing 8 to 10hp. The head has been welded, the flyball governor was in pieces, and the rocker arm was fabricated. I can get this engine for a resonable price, a little above scrap value, just wondereing about the availability of parts. I'll probably get it and put it under the shed as a future project, can anyone here tell me more about them? J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Mon Dec 3 16:58:05 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:58:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home References: <20071203192058.0YZZX.21513.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <006b01c83610$babbddf0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> J.B., this link should convince you that you can bring this Desjardins back to life: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/desjardins/page201.html Denis Rouleau I found a Desjardins this weekend, a rather large engine, guessing 8 to 10hp. The head has been welded, the flyball governor was in pieces, and the rocker arm was fabricated. I can get this engine for a resonable price, a little above scrap value, just wondereing about the availability of parts. I'll probably get it and put it under the shed as a future project, can anyone here tell me more about them? J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Dec 3 17:05:09 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:05:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home In-Reply-To: <20071203192058.0YZZX.21513.root@fepweb09> References: <20071203192058.0YZZX.21513.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071203195458.02fa2990@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi JB, One thing kinda interesting, the Desjardins are an engine that was built up into the 70s I'm told. And still being built with brand new (NOS?) Webster Magnetos. They are Canadian built. Its not unusual to see them in pretty good condition with lots of good paint. Parts are relatively easy to find. Nice looking engines! Mark At 07:20 PM 12/3/07, you wrote: >I found a Desjardins this weekend, a rather large engine, guessing 8 to >10hp. The head has been welded, the flyball governor was in pieces, and >the rocker arm was fabricated. I can get this engine for a resonable >price, a little above scrap value, just wondereing about the availability >of parts. I'll probably get it and put it under the shed as a future >project, can anyone here tell me more about them? >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From ddotto at cableone.net Mon Dec 3 20:10:33 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:10:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mitchell Drag Saw Revisited, again In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20071202162439.04509ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c8362b$9e2caa00$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> That was nice of the good folks at Mitchell Lewis & Staver to dig up the old catalog and send her a copy of the log saw. Can you imagine winching that beast around the forest and making a living with it? It appears the mystery has been solved. Thanks for the update Jerry. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 5:26 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Mitchell Drag Saw Revisited, again > > Hi..... > > You folks might remember a few months ago I was trying to help identify a > large old drag saw from an old family picture a lady in Portland Oregon > found. She had a couple of pictures, one showing a picture of her > grandfather with the saw. Dave Otto came up with the idea that it might > be > from the Mitchell Lewis & Staver company which was (and is) an industrial > equipment supplier based in the Portland area. Several people suggested > that the engine was an early vertical Stover. > > Bonnie, the lady with the pictures, was able to contact Mitchell Lewis & > Staver and they sent her a scan from an old catalog page that I'm sure > confirms that her grandfather's drag was a Mitchell saw sold by Mitchell > Lewis & Staver. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ > to see the pictures of this really neat machine and the old catalog > page. Also I've put up a recent picture of Curt Andree's 1905 5 hp. > Stover > model "C" for comparison. > > Thanks to all who helped solve the mystery. > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ NOD32 2699 (20071203) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 21:33:31 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:33:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <724287.16049.qm@web83719.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071204053336.6746E405441@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Glenn,My 1901- 2 HP "T" # 16727 ,cast brass tagged with newest date July 06,97,has 2 bolt wheels and the remains of a working HT. The 1/2" hole is plugged and the studs are there that held the tube assembly. Is yours similar? How many inspection plates does yours have? Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Karch Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 2:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Jim, I am glad you brought up the Fairbanks Morse serial list. I have a 2 HP Jack of All Trades with 03149 on the boss where the hot tube goes and 22166 (1902) on the head. The tag is blank but has patent dates from 1892 to 1907 on it. I wonder just what I have? I wonder if there shouldn't be a 1 before the 03149 making it a 1911? But there is no 1 to be seen? Glenn ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim O'Hagan To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 12:21:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Merry Christmas everyone. Anyone know who keeps the pre 1911 list for FM engines and is willing to SHARE it [Dave]? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca.415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Mon Dec 3 22:18:37 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:18:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers References: <20071204053336.6746E405441@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <001701c8363d$81f214d0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Mine was serial #36929 (1904) with the last patent date of Oct. 1901. Had only one inspection plate: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page106.html Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim O'Hagan Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Hi Glenn,My 1901- 2 HP "T" # 16727 ,cast brass tagged with newest date July 06,97,has 2 bolt wheels and the remains of a working HT. The 1/2" hole is plugged and the studs are there that held the tube assembly. Is yours similar? How many inspection plates does yours have? Jimmy Jim, I am glad you brought up the Fairbanks Morse serial list. I have a 2 HP Jack of All Trades with 03149 on the boss where the hot tube goes and 22166 (1902) on the head. The tag is blank but has patent dates from 1892 to 1907 on it. I wonder just what I have? I wonder if there shouldn't be a 1 before the 03149 making it a 1911? But there is no 1 to be seen? Glenn From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Dec 4 04:43:32 2007 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:43:32 GMT Subject: [SEL] Desjardins Correction Message-ID: <20071204.074332.4317.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> The Desjardins engines were not built into the 1970s. These were the Acadia Engines built in Nova Scotia. Wendel makes reference to that in his book. The Acadia engines were a takeoff on the United engines. They were very similar in design, with the hopper being different. Most of the ones I have seen have been set up with a battery coil arrangement. All of the Desjardins engines were built in St. Andre de Kamouraska Quebec. All of them had Webster magnetos and clutch pulleys as standard equipment. Denis has provided the link to my web site which he set up for me on the Desjardins collection/restoration. JB, the bore will tell you the size of the engine. Joe Kelley _____________________________________________________________ Click to create your dream Las Vegas vacation now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifkDXswYJmd7Nz0uEpUwUtXiWGqgE2QsDjLegaeB4CNzXurb/ From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Dec 4 05:24:53 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:24:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins Correction In-Reply-To: <20071204.074332.4317.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> References: <20071204.074332.4317.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071204081005.02fa6660@pop3.wcoil.com> Me bad, Got confused somehow. I could have swore it was Desjardins. But you would know. Mark At 07:43 AM 12/4/07, you wrote: >The Desjardins engines were not built into the 1970s. These were the >Acadia Engines built in Nova Scotia. Wendel makes reference to that in his >book. The Acadia engines were a takeoff on the United engines. They were >very similar in design, with the hopper being different. Most of the ones >I have seen have been set up with a battery coil arrangement. > >All of the Desjardins engines were built in St. Andre de Kamouraska >Quebec. All of them had Webster magnetos and clutch pulleys as standard >equipment. Denis has provided the link to my web site which he set up for >me on the Desjardins collection/restoration. > >JB, the bore will tell you the size of the engine. > >Joe Kelley >_____________________________________________________________ Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From glenn.karch at att.net Tue Dec 4 06:18:57 2007 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:18:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Message-ID: <968262.4171.qm@web83702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Jim, My engine has the four hot tube studs and a hole plug. It has only one inspection plate and it has two bolt flywheels. Glenn _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 4 07:53:32 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:53:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <002501c835fe$c76b1c30$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: Denis: Take a look at my 2 HP "Jack of All Trades". It is here at this link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jack/F-M%20Jack.html I have questions about the date of it. With the number "665" stamped on the -base- of the cylinder and no numbers anywhere else, I ass-u-me that it's a very early example, possibly 1897. It has 2-bolt flywheels, one crankcase cover, "beehive" mixer and plugged hot tube. Any illumination you can shed will be appreciated. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From curt at imc-group.com Tue Dec 4 07:03:25 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:03:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home In-Reply-To: <006b01c83610$babbddf0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <20071203192058.0YZZX.21513.root@fepweb09> <006b01c83610$babbddf0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <47556C3D.2060404@imc-group.com> Joe, Denis, JB, I've never been real certain how to pronounce Desjardins, so I asked one of our company sales guys who lives in Quebec. I thought you would enjoy his reply. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Hi Curt, Hope all is well. We received around 14 plus inches yesterday. It is truly beautiful. Translation is 'The Gardens' Pronounced - Day / jar / dain Next time we talk I'll pronounce it for you with a french accent. Denis Rouleau wrote: > J.B., this link should convince you that you can bring this Desjardins > back to life: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/desjardins/page201.html > Denis Rouleau > > I found a Desjardins this weekend, a rather large engine, guessing 8 to 10hp. The head has been welded, the flyball governor was in pieces, and the rocker arm was fabricated. I can get this engine for a resonable price, a little above scrap value, just wondereing about the availability of parts. I'll probably get it and put it under the shed as a future project, can anyone here tell me more about them? > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Tue Dec 4 07:10:10 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:10:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home References: <20071203192058.0YZZX.21513.root@fepweb09> <006b01c83610$babbddf0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <47556C3D.2060404@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001901c83687$c3347920$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <<<>>> Good enough for me!!! Denis Rouleau buried in 15 inches of fresh snow!!! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 4 07:18:08 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:18:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47556FB0.8080905@scrtc.com> Elden, That baby turned out nice. Someone not long ago was inquiring about the beehive mixer on the early FM T's and I told them I didn't have a photo of one to show them. I do now. BTW, was that a KY engine? Just curious if it was originally sold here. Thanks again. Tommy Turner >Denis: > >Take a look at my 2 HP "Jack of All Trades". It is here at this link: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jack/F-M%20Jack.html > >I have questions about the date of it. With the number "665" stamped on the -base- of the cylinder and no numbers anywhere else, I ass-u-me that it's a very early example, possibly 1897. It has 2-bolt flywheels, one crankcase cover, "beehive" mixer and plugged hot tube. > >Any illumination you can shed will be appreciated. > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 4 08:40:54 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:40:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <47556FB0.8080905@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Tommy: I swapped a 1-1/2 hp dishpan engine for it in about 1957. I got it from the guy who simply moved it from where he purchased it from the original owner to my garage so I suppose I am the second owner. It was originally purchased by a Crestwood, KY farmer for his son to set-up to pump water from the well to the attic cistern in the farmhouse. The engine was used for several years until (I guess) electricity came to the neighborhood, then it was retired to the barn/shop loft. I knew the owner and should have -very politely- asked if he still had the ignition dynamo and hot tube outfit for it. If he still had them in the '50's, they're long gone by now. I got the original jug and piston back from his son before I re-restored it. I have no idea who it was originally purchased from. Possibly either a Louisville outfit or via mail and rail freight. I only wish I'd just left it alone. It was in it's original work clothes with most of it's paint before I "restored" it in the mid '60's. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 09:18 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers > > > Elden, > That baby turned out nice. Someone not long > ago was inquiring about > the beehive mixer on the early FM T's and I told > them I didn't have a > photo of one to show them. I do now. BTW, was > that a KY engine? Just > curious if it was originally sold here. Thanks again. > > Tommy Turner > > > > >Denis: > > > >Take a look at my 2 HP "Jack of All Trades". It > is here at this link: > > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jac > k/F-M%20Jack.html > > > >I have questions about the date of it. With the > number "665" stamped on the -base- of the > cylinder and no numbers anywhere else, I ass-u-me > that it's a very early example, possibly 1897. > It has 2-bolt flywheels, one crankcase cover, > "beehive" mixer and plugged hot tube. > > > >Any illumination you can shed will be appreciated. > > > >Take care - Elden > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Tue Dec 4 07:48:55 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:48:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers References: Message-ID: <002b01c8368d$2cf7dff0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> This is the oldest vertical F-M I've ever seen: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/1895t.jpg Unfortunately I do not have its serial number or the last patent date on the nametag. Elden, I've looked at your engine's pictures and even if the serial #665 seems lower for that engine, I have no argument against it being an 1897 engine. Is the nametag original to your cylinder and if so what is the last patent date on your tag? Denis Rouleau Denis: Take a look at my 2 HP "Jack of All Trades". It is here at this link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jack/F-M%20Jack.html I have questions about the date of it. With the number "665" stamped on the -base- of the cylinder and no numbers anywhere else, I ass-u-me that it's a very early example, possibly 1897. It has 2-bolt flywheels, one crankcase cover, "beehive" mixer and plugged hot tube. Any illumination you can shed will be appreciated. Take care - Elden From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Dec 4 08:59:37 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:59:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fero Compressor In-Reply-To: <006f01c8368c$940bc5e0$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> References: <006f01c8368c$940bc5e0$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> Message-ID: Hi John, After spending many long nights consoling Mike's wife Ann (while Mike was locked away in some SERIOUS therapy), I can assure you that he DOES NOT want to return to that location. In fact, merely being reminded of that horrible day, may just be enough to send him "over the edge" again. If that occurs, and ol' Mike has to "go away" again for a time, I'll be duty-bound to return to North Carolina and console his wife. The poor dear. 8->>> See ya, Arnie On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, John DeBrular wrote: > Arnie, I hope that everyone reads the story of how Mike obtained your Fero. > Funnier than hell. I have heard about places like that but hoped > to never see one. Maybe Mike can tell exactly where that place is so that we > can be sure to avoid it. > > John DeBrular > 94 Grafton St > Washington, WV 26181 > debrular at suddenlink.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > > I'd heard a rumor that George might print that. 8-)) Hey George, > howzabout a "courtesy copy" of the Western Antique Iron Trader? > > And if you aren't a subscriber and are wondering what the HELL we're > talking about, here's the background and the tale (not for the squeamish). > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero2.htm > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Dave Ernst wrote: > > > Congrats on the reprint of your quest for your namesake compressor (albeit > > broken crankcase). > > Makes you wonder just how big that nursing mama was!!! > > For those who don't know, It is in the December issue of the Western > > Antique Iron Trader. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Dec 4 08:50:02 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:50:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Message-ID: <20071204.085002.1556.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Denis. Have you ever seen a T with hot tube only, no provision for ignitor? Mine #14201 did not have the cam shaft drilled for the pin to run the fuel pump and trip the ignitor. I can only assume it was run on city gas and fired by hot tube. Your thoughts? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Tue Dec 4 09:04:27 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:04:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers References: <20071204.085002.1556.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <004101c83697$ba32c470$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Ron, the one I just sent a picture of is hot tube ignition only so it would be reasonable to believe that the early "T"s would have been setup that way also. Denis ----- Original Message ----- From: rdhaskell at juno.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Hi Denis. Have you ever seen a T with hot tube only, no provision for ignitor? Mine #14201 did not have the cam shaft drilled for the pin to run the fuel pump and trip the ignitor. I can only assume it was run on city gas and fired by hot tube. Your thoughts? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Dec 4 10:57:05 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:57:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <004101c83697$ba32c470$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <20071204185721.C38E94C8C4B@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Denis, Would you know the time frame when the "T" s were one piece "Banjo" bodied? Thanks in advance. Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Denis Rouleau Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:04 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Ron, the one I just sent a picture of is hot tube ignition only so it would be reasonable to believe that the early "T"s would have been setup that way also. Denis ----- Original Message ----- From: rdhaskell at juno.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Hi Denis. Have you ever seen a T with hot tube only, no provision for ignitor? Mine #14201 did not have the cam shaft drilled for the pin to run the fuel pump and trip the ignitor. I can only assume it was run on city gas and fired by hot tube. Your thoughts? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Tue Dec 4 11:46:15 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:46:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers References: <20071204185721.C38E94C8C4B@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <000901c836ae$549d8d40$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> According to Wendel: only in 1898. Denis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim O'Hagan To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Denis, Would you know the time frame when the "T" s were one piece "Banjo" bodied? Thanks in advance. Jimmy O'Hagan From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Dec 4 12:17:35 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:17:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <000901c836ae$549d8d40$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <20071204201740.6DEEF45040@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Thanks, I,ve only seen one. Probably had production problems. Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Denis Rouleau Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:46 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers According to Wendel: only in 1898. Denis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim O'Hagan To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Denis, Would you know the time frame when the "T" s were one piece "Banjo" bodied? Thanks in advance. Jimmy O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Dec 4 13:44:43 2007 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:44:43 GMT Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home Message-ID: <20071204.164443.25913.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Oui, Oui, Cette est correct! Je parle un petit Francais! How is that Denis??? The real trick is to be able to read the warning on one side of the Hopper that is written in French and to understand it!!! Joe _____________________________________________________________ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifWCK3wxpbMVuQnv6fLVmqhZuj9OYuz6S13Tgdwy0szbwnI5/ From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 4 16:10:39 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:10:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <002b01c8368d$2cf7dff0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: Denis: I've seen photos of a couple of those engines. Definitely pre-"Jack". My guess is that they are in the 1895/1896 range but I'm definitely no expert. In any case, I'd love to have one of them to go with my "Jack of All Trades". July 6, 1897 is the last patent date on the plate and it is the original. I got the cylinder from the son of the then deceased original owner who'd swapped a new jug & piston sometime during it's working days. Funny thing is, the original cylinder and piston are in pretty good condition. All I had to do was lightly hone the bore to clean it up........Used the original rings and all. Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Denis > Rouleau > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 09:49 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers > > > This is the oldest vertical F-M I've ever seen: > http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/1895t.jpg > Unfortunately I do not have its serial number or > the last patent date on the nametag. > Elden, I've looked at your engine's pictures and > even if the serial #665 seems lower for that > engine, I have no argument against it being an > 1897 engine. Is the nametag original to your > cylinder and if so what is the last patent date > on your tag? Denis Rouleau From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Tue Dec 4 15:10:36 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:10:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home References: <20071204.164443.25913.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001501c836ca$e0fbc830$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Tres bien Joe!!! Denis <<>> From toadhill at aeroinc.net Tue Dec 4 17:45:13 2007 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe Maurer) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:45:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Number List Message-ID: <005401c836e0$7acda1d0$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> Thanks for the early Fairbanks serial numbers Denis. Joe Maurer From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue Dec 4 18:29:17 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:29:17 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC cooling pipe Message-ID: <000e01c836e6$a2e62970$210110ac@service> Hi everyone, can anyone tell me how many & what diameter outlet holes are used on the cooling pipe of a screen cooled 8hp famous with plunger pump, also after a pic of the foot valve in bottom of tank.Cheers, Chester from West Aus. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 4 22:39:35 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:39:35 +1300 Subject: [SEL] OT - Worldwide Broadband Infrastructure and speeds References: <6f6025160712030504q6462bb35re97cf1cf369cc7c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c83709$a9c8ed90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter interesting info i had to write this quickly so it would get to you faster nz has to be one of the slow starters compared with other countrys i feel so much behind the times i quess that means todays news was yesterdays old news brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:04 AM Subject: [SEL] OT - Worldwide Broadband Infrastructure and speeds > This article on the BBC website my answer a few questions about what > speeds are available and are actually delivered: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7098992.stm > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1164 - Release Date: 12/2/2007 11:30 AM > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 5 03:44:43 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:44:43 EST Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches Message-ID: Would these tools be used to lap the old valves? Some valves had slots and some had spanner holes that may be compatible to these tools. Just a guess on my part. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From milo at hughes.net Wed Dec 5 04:18:16 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:18:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Tom, I've not heard them called "valve spanner wrenches", but, absolutely, the holes, and slots, in the valve face are for lapping tools. The two I'm familiar with are the "round stick with rubber cup on the bottom", and the "right angle drive oscillating type" (it is cranked by hand like a hand drill, and has either a spade type or spanner type blade to engage the valve). The round wooden "stick" with the rubber cup, is simply spun back and forth with the palms of your hands. Peace Milo Holroyd Kalamazoo, MI >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:45 AM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > >Would these tools be used to lap the old valves? Some valves had slots and >some had spanner holes that may be compatible to these tools. Just a guess >on >my part. > > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >Germoamer at aol.com > > > >**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's >hottest >products. >(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 >10:52 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 10:52 AM From jbcast at charter.net Tue Dec 4 16:46:51 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:46:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home In-Reply-To: <001901c83687$c3347920$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <20071204194651.T4XQN.282073.root@fepweb13> Thanks for all the replies. Dennis, Joe's site has some good pictures and good info, this engine wouldn't be a hard restoration, may require casting some parts. It has parts of the clutch on it, the handwheel is missing. It had been converted to sparkplug. Leroy, I left a message with the owner saying I want it, haven't heard a reply yet. If I decide not to keep it I'll let you know. Curt, although I don't speak French, in south Louisiana we are influenced by it. On the way home Dickie Gibbens said his mother was in a garden club, the name was desjardins and something about the bayou, don't remeber exactly what he said. It's hard to translate the accent but I would say day-zhar- DAn. Family names are a killer for those not familiar, Bonin = Bo-NAn . Prejean = Pray-zhawn, Boudin = Boo-DAn, Hebert = A-bear. Arnie, my friend Ernest Felterman has a model IH Famous, a lady watched it running and said it sounded like a mosquito fart, can't wait to hear this one run. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From falcon at telenet.net Wed Dec 5 08:18:00 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:18:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> References: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <4756CF38.6030006@telenet.net> Most of the valve spanner wrenches were for adjusting the valve clearance in engines that used solid lifters and lock nuts for the adjustments. You wanted thin profile wrenches so that you could fit them in there along with the feeler gauge. For lapping the valves with holes or slots in the face most of the reciprocating valve tools come with interchangeable tips. Usually a couple of the rubber cups and the valve keys that fit the holes or slots on those valves. I have a bunch of them in the tool box that fit a lot of different valves. Milo wrote: > Tom, I've not heard them called "valve spanner wrenches", > but, absolutely, the holes, and slots, in the valve face are for lapping > tools. The two I'm familiar with are the "round stick with rubber cup on the > bottom", and the "right angle drive oscillating type" (it is cranked by hand > like a hand drill, and has either a spade type or spanner type blade to > engage the valve). The round wooden "stick" with the rubber cup, is simply > spun back and forth with the palms of your hands. > > Peace > Milo Holroyd > Kalamazoo, MI > >> Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches >> >> Would these tools be used to lap the old valves? Some valves had slots and >> some had spanner holes that may be compatible to these tools. Just a guess >> on >> my part. >> >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. >> Germoamer at aol.com >> -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Dec 5 10:32:37 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:32:37 +1300 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches References: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <002801c8376d$36913cb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Valve spanner wrenchs sound like spanners for making adjustments to the valve gap rather than lapping valves ? brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milo" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > Tom, I've not heard them called "valve spanner wrenches", > but, absolutely, the holes, and slots, in the valve face are for lapping > tools. The two I'm familiar with are the "round stick with rubber cup on the > bottom", and the "right angle drive oscillating type" (it is cranked by hand > like a hand drill, and has either a spade type or spanner type blade to > engage the valve). The round wooden "stick" with the rubber cup, is simply > spun back and forth with the palms of your hands. > > Peace > Milo Holroyd > Kalamazoo, MI > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com > >Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:45 AM > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > > > >Would these tools be used to lap the old valves? Some valves had slots and > >some had spanner holes that may be compatible to these tools. Just a guess > >on > >my part. > > > > > >Tom Schmutz > >Concord, Va. > >Germoamer at aol.com > > > > > > > >**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > >hottest > >products. > >(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 > >10:52 AM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 > 10:52 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 10:52 AM > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Dec 5 11:23:30 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:23:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches References: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <002801c8376d$36913cb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <008c01c83774$51b43e00$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> I agree witrh brent, in the US they would have been called tappet wrenches. Long slender open end wreches. It took three of these to make the addjustment, one for the jam nuts and one fro the tappet it's self. Holding all three wrenches along with a feeler gauge took a lot of patience and dexterity. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "brent" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches Valve spanner wrenchs sound like spanners for making adjustments to the valve gap rather than lapping valves ? brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milo" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > Tom, I've not heard them called "valve spanner wrenches", > but, absolutely, the holes, and slots, in the valve face > are for lapping > tools. The two I'm familiar with are the "round stick with > rubber cup on the > bottom", and the "right angle drive oscillating type" (it > is cranked by hand > like a hand drill, and has either a spade type or spanner > type blade to > engage the valve). The round wooden "stick" with the > rubber cup, is simply > spun back and forth with the palms of your hands. > > Peace > Milo Holroyd > Kalamazoo, MI > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >[mailto:sel- > >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > >Germoamer at aol.com > >Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:45 AM > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > > > >Would these tools be used to lap the old valves? Some > >valves had slots and > >some had spanner holes that may be compatible to these > >tools. Just a guess > >on > >my part. > > > > > >Tom Schmutz > >Concord, Va. > >Germoamer at aol.com > > > > > > > >**************************************Check out AOL's > >list of 2007's > >hottest > >products. > >(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - > >Release Date: 12/4/2007 > >10:52 AM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - > Release Date: 12/4/2007 > 10:52 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - > Release Date: 12/4/2007 10:52 AM > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 10:52 AM From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Dec 5 11:56:29 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:56:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: <4756CF38.6030006@telenet.net> References: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <4756CF38.6030006@telenet.net> Message-ID: <4416.165.206.180.115.1196884589.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Called tappet wrenches, around here......... I have a set. > Most of the valve spanner wrenches were for adjusting the valve > clearance in engines that used solid lifters and lock nuts for the > adjustments. You wanted thin profile wrenches so that you could fit them > in there along with the feeler gauge. > > For lapping the valves with holes or slots in the face most of the > reciprocating valve tools come with interchangeable tips. Usually a > couple of the rubber cups and the valve keys that fit the holes or slots > on those valves. I have a bunch of them in the tool box that fit a lot > of different valves. > > Milo wrote: >> Tom, I've not heard them called "valve spanner wrenches", >> but, absolutely, the holes, and slots, in the valve face are for lapping >> tools. The two I'm familiar with are the "round stick with rubber cup on >> the >> bottom", and the "right angle drive oscillating type" (it is cranked by >> hand >> like a hand drill, and has either a spade type or spanner type blade to >> engage the valve). The round wooden "stick" with the rubber cup, is >> simply >> spun back and forth with the palms of your hands. >> >> Peace >> Milo Holroyd >> Kalamazoo, MI >> >>> Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches >>> >>> Would these tools be used to lap the old valves? Some valves had slots >>> and >>> some had spanner holes that may be compatible to these tools. Just a >>> guess >>> on >>> my part. >>> >>> >>> Tom Schmutz >>> Concord, Va. >>> Germoamer at aol.com >>> > > > -- > Steve W. > Near Cooperstown, New York > NRA Member > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > he'd have become a vegan. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Dec 5 11:58:12 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:58:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: <002801c8376d$36913cb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <002801c8376d$36913cb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <4420.165.206.180.115.1196884692.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Yes. Lapping uses a tool spun by hand, or using a crank. "Tappet wrenches" were thin profile wrenches used to get into the tight spaces for setting the valve clearances. (when cam is on base circle, the distance between tappet and valve stem tip) Bill > Valve spanner wrenchs sound like spanners for making adjustments to the > valve gap rather than lapping valves ? brentnz > > From jbcast at charter.net Wed Dec 5 17:10:06 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:10:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home In-Reply-To: <20071204194651.T4XQN.282073.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <20071205201006.AE3CB.110923.root@fepweb02> I talked to the owner today, confirmed the deal. It will probably be the of the nmonth before I can get it. I'll find a place to post pictures when I have it home. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 5 16:48:08 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:48:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Old machinery adverts Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071206024625.00b8dd80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, I've added a page of old advertisements (1912/1913) published in our local "Farmers Weekly" magazine. It's here for anyone who cares to look: I'll add more later. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Dec 5 17:49:05 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:49:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Old machinery adverts References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071206024625.00b8dd80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001501c837aa$304363f0$97b5ecdc@Edd> They are great .Thank you for sharing. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: [SEL] Old machinery adverts > Hi Guys, > I've added a page of old advertisements (1912/1913) published in > our local "Farmers Weekly" magazine. > It's here for anyone who cares to look: > > > I'll add more later. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 5 19:30:50 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:30:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fero Compressor References: <006f01c8368c$940bc5e0$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> Message-ID: <005f01c837b8$6650f170$726f4b47@mikecomp> Where are my royalties? Where is my permission slip? Where is my attorney? MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: Cc: "Mike Royster" ; "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:59 AM Subject: RE: Fero Compressor > Hi John, > > After spending many long nights consoling Mike's wife Ann (while Mike was > locked away in some SERIOUS therapy), I can assure you that he DOES NOT > want to return to that location. In fact, merely being reminded of that > horrible day, may just be enough to send him "over the edge" again. > > If that occurs, and ol' Mike has to "go away" again for a time, I'll be > duty-bound to return to North Carolina and console his wife. The poor > dear. 8->>> > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, John DeBrular wrote: > >> Arnie, I hope that everyone reads the story of how Mike obtained your >> Fero. >> Funnier than hell. I have heard about places like that but hoped >> to never see one. Maybe Mike can tell exactly where that place is so that >> we >> can be sure to avoid it. >> >> John DeBrular >> 94 Grafton St >> Washington, WV 26181 >> debrular at suddenlink.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >> [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero >> >> I'd heard a rumor that George might print that. 8-)) Hey George, >> howzabout a "courtesy copy" of the Western Antique Iron Trader? >> >> And if you aren't a subscriber and are wondering what the HELL we're >> talking about, here's the background and the tale (not for the >> squeamish). >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero2.htm >> >> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Dave Ernst wrote: >> >> > Congrats on the reprint of your quest for your namesake compressor >> > (albeit >> > broken crankcase). >> > Makes you wonder just how big that nursing mama was!!! >> > For those who don't know, It is in the December issue of the Western >> > Antique Iron Trader. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Dec 5 21:17:02 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:17:02 EST Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches Message-ID: Hi Jim, Not only did it take a little practice to keep everything in hand and under control, you did all this with the engine running. My 1937 Chevrolet certainly did run better after I adjusted the valves. I only wish I had had a timing light and didn't have to adjust timing by ear. Ron Carroll Nokesville, Virginia USA In a message dated 12/5/2007 2:28:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes: I agree witrh brent, in the US they would have been called tappet wrenches. Long slender open end wreches. It took three of these to make the addjustment, one for the jam nuts and one fro the tappet it's self. Holding all three wrenches along with a feeler gauge took a lot of patience and dexterity. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 5 21:37:17 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:37:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59521D4C-5091-4666-AA5F-C7A93FD1BF9C@alltel.net> On Dec 6, 2007, at 12:17 AM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Jim, > Not only did it take a little practice to keep everything in hand > and under > control, ....... By golly Twin, even I'm not going to touch that one! Dave From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Dec 5 22:27:40 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:27:40 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Old machinery adverts References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071206024625.00b8dd80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <010b01c837d1$1a4cc330$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Jerry great pics of the old machinery thanks for sending them through. brentnz ---- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: [SEL] Old machinery adverts > Hi Guys, > I've added a page of old advertisements (1912/1913) published in > our local "Farmers Weekly" magazine. > It's here for anyone who cares to look: > > > I'll add more later. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: 12/5/2007 8:41 AM > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Dec 6 01:36:17 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 01:36:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches References: Message-ID: <001901c837eb$74225b30$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Hi Ron, I was thinking of one of the flathead inline engines where the tappets were below and under the manifolds. I forgot to add that there also needed to be a mirror hung on someplace and a light bulb to burn your hand on. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches Hi Jim, Not only did it take a little practice to keep everything in hand and under control, you did all this with the engine running. My 1937 Chevrolet certainly did run better after I adjusted the valves. I only wish I had had a timing light and didn't have to adjust timing by ear. Ron Carroll Nokesville, Virginia USA In a message dated 12/5/2007 2:28:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes: I agree witrh brent, in the US they would have been called tappet wrenches. Long slender open end wreches. It took three of these to make the addjustment, one for the jam nuts and one fro the tappet it's self. Holding all three wrenches along with a feeler gauge took a lot of patience and dexterity. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 6 02:10:05 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:10:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Maytag 72 parts wanted. Message-ID: <002e01c837f0$2c6c4170$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Can I ask an engine question on this list ;-))) well Multi - Motor question anyway. I am after a good straight crankshaft with good threads and journals for a Maytag 72 twin, I also am after a good cheap deal from engine mates as postage is also a killer to Australia. If you have a spare one just laying around let's do a deal, do not bog the LIST down with engine talk, contact me direct at plowe at exemail.com.au Now you can get back to talking about things other than engines ;-))))))))))))))))) Dave, Oh Evil One, leave this one alone, it is out of your league mate ;-))) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Dec 6 03:15:36 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:15:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Maytag 72 parts wanted. Message-ID: <120620071115.6675.4757D9D8000087A300001A13219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Peter, Believe I helped several years back with some dreaded Maytag (not a real engine) parts. Same old friend of mine should beable to help you but the price of shipping this time will be much higher since I never did get that beer you promised several times! Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" Subject: [SEL] Maytag 72 parts wanted. Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:19:41 +0000 > Hi all > Can I ask an engine question on this list ;-))) well Multi - Motor question > anyway. > > I am after a good straight crankshaft with good threads and journals for a > Maytag 72 twin, I also am after a good cheap deal from engine mates as > postage is also a killer to Australia. > If you have a spare one just laying around let's do a deal, do not bog the > LIST down with engine talk, contact me direct at plowe at exemail.com.au > > Now you can get back to talking about things other than engines > ;-))))))))))))))))) > > Dave, Oh Evil One, leave this one alone, it is out of your league mate > ;-))) > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 6 03:27:28 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:27:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Maytag 72 parts wanted. References: <120620071115.6675.4757D9D8000087A300001A13219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <00d601c837fa$fc339610$0601a8c0@altech> They are in the mail mate Peter, Oz > Hi Peter, > Believe I helped several years back with some dreaded Maytag (not a real > engine) parts. Same old friend of mine should beable to help you but the > price of shipping this time will be much higher since I never did get that > beer you promised several times! > Curt > > > ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "ATIS" > Subject: [SEL] Maytag 72 parts wanted. > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:19:41 +0000 > >> Hi all >> Can I ask an engine question on this list ;-))) well Multi - Motor >> question >> anyway. >> >> I am after a good straight crankshaft with good threads and journals for >> a >> Maytag 72 twin, I also am after a good cheap deal from engine mates as >> postage is also a killer to Australia. >> If you have a spare one just laying around let's do a deal, do not bog >> the >> LIST down with engine talk, contact me direct at plowe at exemail.com.au >> >> Now you can get back to talking about things other than engines >> ;-))))))))))))))))) >> >> Dave, Oh Evil One, leave this one alone, it is out of your league mate >> ;-))) >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> Ph: 61-266453455 >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 04:35:30 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:35:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] P*ssing Matches, Engine Lists and Etiquette Message-ID: <6f6025160712060435o2ddda6f9w4ea17bb7e5b6eaa4@mail.gmail.com> We seem to be getting to that time of year again where basic good manners and courtesy go out of the cabin window, and the bad manners and emotions take over. We are all grown men and know what is required of us in terms of the public face of the Lists and our hobby. A lot of people see these Lists who are not everyday message posters and may well be women/girls as well as blokes. Getting into a p*ssing match may well stir the adrenalin and give you some short-term satisfaction, but it does not enhance your image in front of the rest of the world, and in my view is completely unnecessary. Private emails are the way to go if you want to get into a heated exchange with someone, NOT on the lists and in public. I have a 'Delete' key on my keyboard, you ALL have one, so please use it and refrain from the exchanges that have made a mockery of both the engine Lists over the past few days. Both the Lists are a resource that are provided for you all at no charge, please remember that. Thank you all. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Dec 6 05:08:25 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 05:08:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] P*ssing Matches, Engine Lists and Etiquette In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712060435o2ddda6f9w4ea17bb7e5b6eaa4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160712060435o2ddda6f9w4ea17bb7e5b6eaa4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2537.165.206.180.115.1196946505.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I'm on a diuretic (sp) for my meniere's and I'll challenge anyone right now after a couple cups of coffee or a couple beers. Anyway, back on your topic, although I thought that DID match the subject line, I must've missed something - although with 200 messages a day, I don't get to read everything. Glad it's all settled. Bill antique-engines.com Chapman registry theamcpages.com theamcforum.com and a partridge in a pear tree > > Getting into a p*ssing match may well stir the adrenalin and give you > some short-term satisfaction, From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Dec 6 05:11:21 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 05:11:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2561.165.206.180.115.1196946681.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I have an older Sears Craftsman timing light I'll give someone just for the shipping costs. It didn't work for me - the light works (the strobe bulb is ok), but it didn't seem to be triggering at the correct time. I bought another Sears and it works great so it wasn't my imagination. MAYBE this light is fixable, maybe not, and maybe it was after-all, in reality, my imagination and there's nothing wrong. Inductive pickup type - clips around the plug wire. Want it - it's yours for probably about 6 bucks shipping. > > Hi Jim, > Not only did it take a little practice to keep everything in hand and > under > control, you did all this with the engine running. My 1937 Chevrolet > certainly > did run better after I adjusted the valves. I only wish I had had a > timing > light and didn't have to adjust timing by ear. > > Ron Carroll > Nokesville, Virginia USA > > > > In a message dated 12/5/2007 2:28:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes: > > I agree witrh brent, in the US they would have been called > tappet wrenches. Long slender open end wreches. It took > three of these to make the addjustment, one for the jam nuts > and one fro the tappet it's self. Holding all three > wrenches along with a feeler gauge took a lot of patience > and dexterity. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 6 07:45:44 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:45:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron: For the Stovebolt Six engine, you don't need a timing light. Just advance the timing until it pings a slightly at low speeds and high power (mash the accelerator at 10 mph in high gear) and doesn't try to kick back when starting. You'll be able to check your timing at any time. I've set up many of 'em just like that. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:17 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > > > > Hi Jim, > Not only did it take a little practice to keep > everything in hand and under > control, you did all this with the engine > running. My 1937 Chevrolet certainly > did run better after I adjusted the valves. I > only wish I had had a timing > light and didn't have to adjust timing by ear. > > Ron Carroll > Nokesville, Virginia USA From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Dec 6 07:39:39 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:39:39 EST Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches Message-ID: Hi Elden, Thanks. That's just what an old mechanic showed me how to do and it was several years and two or three cars later before I sprung for a neon timing light. I found that doing it by "ear" was getting pretty close to the specifications. I only wish I could read today's computer vehicles by listening to them. Do you suppose my age and artillery range related hearing loss is why I can't? Regards, Ron In a message dated 12/6/2007 9:48:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: Ron: For the Stovebolt Six engine, you don't need a timing light. Just advance the timing until it pings a slightly at low speeds and high power (mash the accelerator at 10 mph in high gear) and doesn't try to kick back when starting. You'll be able to check your timing at any time. I've set up many of 'em just like that. Take care - Elden **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From oiseming at moscow.com Thu Dec 6 07:43:08 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:43:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] P*ssing Matches, Engine Lists and Etiquette In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712060435o2ddda6f9w4ea17bb7e5b6eaa4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200712061543.lB6FhFcj003617@mail-gw.fsr.net> Well said, Peter. I once dis-enrolled from ATIS because of all the OT stuff and trash talk, but stuck with Oldengine because it was more businesslike. Now, it seems as though the infection has spread. I like to enjoy life and have good fun and laughs, too; but, if every element of my day was 90-percent trash and 10-percent business, it would be very frustrating. Any ignorant clod can spew trash. It takes a good man to speak and write with civility and intelligence. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:36 AM To: Stationary-Engine; SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] P*ssing Matches, Engine Lists and Etiquette We seem to be getting to that time of year again where basic good manners and courtesy go out of the cabin window, and the bad manners and emotions take over. We are all grown men and know what is required of us in terms of the public face of the Lists and our hobby. A lot of people see these Lists who are not everyday message posters and may well be women/girls as well as blokes. Getting into a p*ssing match may well stir the adrenalin and give you some short-term satisfaction, but it does not enhance your image in front of the rest of the world, and in my view is completely unnecessary. Private emails are the way to go if you want to get into a heated exchange with someone, NOT on the lists and in public. I have a 'Delete' key on my keyboard, you ALL have one, so please use it and refrain from the exchanges that have made a mockery of both the engine Lists over the past few days. Both the Lists are a resource that are provided for you all at no charge, please remember that. Thank you all. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 6 11:18:15 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:18:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron: Hmmm........Age possibly - artillery definitely! Mine (believe it or not) is supposed to be due to firing about a zillion rounds of .22 in an indoor shooting range. I was on a NRA rifle team in H.S. In addition, I did the sound mixing for a series of music shows on TeeVee. After 8 to 10 hours of listening, ear fatigue would push the monitor levels up to where I didn't have to worry about a lot of people telling me what to do. I only have Diesel cars/motorhome now. Nowadays, even they are controlled by a chip. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 09:40 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > > > > Hi Elden, > Thanks. That's just what an old mechanic showed > me how to do and it was > several years and two or three cars later before > I sprung for a neon timing light. > I found that doing it by "ear" was getting > pretty close to the > specifications. I only wish I could read today's > computer vehicles by listening to them. > Do you suppose my age and artillery range related > hearing loss is why I can't? > Regards, > Ron > > In a message dated 12/6/2007 9:48:57 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > edurand at mchsi.com writes: > > Ron: > > For the Stovebolt Six engine, you don't need a > timing light. Just advance > the timing until it pings a slightly at low > speeds and high power (mash the > accelerator at 10 mph in high gear) and doesn't > try to kick back when starting. > > You'll be able to check your timing at any time. > I've set up many of 'em > just like that. > > Take care - Elden From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 11:31:22 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:31:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Maytag 72 parts wanted. In-Reply-To: <002e01c837f0$2c6c4170$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <251164.94713.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a good friend that is a Maytag guy. I was just in his shop yesterday and he has a parts twin with a good crank. I know he will sell it, but I just tried to call and he isn't home. I will call back this evening and get a price for you. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Peter Lowe wrote: Hi all Can I ask an engine question on this list ;-))) well Multi - Motor question anyway. I am after a good straight crankshaft with good threads and journals for a Maytag 72 twin, I also am after a good cheap deal from engine mates as postage is also a killer to Australia. If you have a spare one just laying around let's do a deal, do not bog the LIST down with engine talk, contact me direct at plowe at exemail.com.au Now you can get back to talking about things other than engines ;-))))))))))))))))) Dave, Oh Evil One, leave this one alone, it is out of your league mate ;-))) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 7 14:56:49 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:56:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition Message-ID: Hi Folks, I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied from the factory with hot tube ignition. For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half-breeds. I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp vaporizing oil engines. If you also have an idea of the range of years the engine was offered with hot tube ignition, that would be a plus. My list, so far, includes: - Myric (and later Luther) Eclipse (circa 1903 through at least 1949) - Fairbanks Morse "T" - Fairbanks Morse "N" Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 7 14:18:51 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:18:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D05A757-334F-4403-8FE7-001714AA4275@alltel.net> My best mate has an M that he claims was an "experimental" engine. It apparently never went into production--for unknown reasons. Does that count? Should I contact my mate and see if he can provide any more information on this engine? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 7, 2007, at 5:56 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied > from the > factory with hot tube ignition. > > For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half- > breeds. > I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp > vaporizing oil engines. > > If you also have an idea of the range of years the engine was > offered with > hot tube ignition, that would be a plus. > > My list, so far, includes: > > - Myric (and later Luther) Eclipse (circa 1903 through at least 1949) > - Fairbanks Morse "T" > - Fairbanks Morse "N" > > Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > See ya, Arnie From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Fri Dec 7 14:47:19 2007 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:47:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <385777.69846.qm@web52303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Fuller & Johnson oil cooled engines came standard with both ignitor and hot tube ignition. Very late ones were ignitor only. They were built from 1901 to 1905. Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Folks, I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied from the factory with hot tube ignition. For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half-breeds. I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp vaporizing oil engines. If you also have an idea of the range of years the engine was offered with hot tube ignition, that would be a plus. My list, so far, includes: - Myric (and later Luther) Eclipse (circa 1903 through at least 1949) - Fairbanks Morse "T" - Fairbanks Morse "N" Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Fri Dec 7 14:54:51 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 22:54:51 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition Message-ID: <000a01c83924$2dbfce90$b4f26d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Over here in the U.k I know a guy who has a Briggs with this type of ignition ( was this also experimental ) don't know if it went inti production as I haven't seen another one like it. Should the owner be contacted to get any futher information which could be relevent to your list? Craig in Scotland From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Dec 7 15:58:25 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:58:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4759DE21.80308@scrtc.com> Arnie, Here's some that are out in the shed: IHC (the early "Horizontal" models and then the Famous models) White Middleton Olds (Gearless model's both upright and horizontals) Weber Crossley (early models, some had a timed hot tube, both horizontal and uprights had hot tubes) Stickney (Jr. model and early horizontals) Charter Foos Temple Inverted Others that I don't have (but I'm looking for!): Backus Bauer (early) I'm sure there are several more that I'll think of. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied from the >factory with hot tube ignition. > >For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half-breeds. >I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp >vaporizing oil engines. > >If you also have an idea of the range of years the engine was offered with >hot tube ignition, that would be a plus. > >My list, so far, includes: > >- Myric (and later Luther) Eclipse (circa 1903 through at least 1949) >- Fairbanks Morse "T" >- Fairbanks Morse "N" > >Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 7 17:07:27 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:07:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <4759DE21.80308@scrtc.com> References: <4759DE21.80308@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1197076047.4759ee4fb6b6d@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, I KNEW I could count on you!! 8-)) When you say a "timed hot tube" are you referring to the sort of rig I've seen in England where the burner & chimney clamp to a parallel rod and can be moved up and down to change where the hot spot is on the hot tube thus affecting the timing? See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Arnie, > Here's some that are out in the shed: > > IHC (the early "Horizontal" models and then the Famous models) > White Middleton > Olds (Gearless model's both upright and horizontals) > Weber > Crossley (early models, some had a timed hot tube, both horizontal and > uprights had hot tubes) > Stickney (Jr. model and early horizontals) > Charter > Foos > Temple Inverted > > Others that I don't have (but I'm looking for!): > > Backus > Bauer (early) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Dec 7 17:33:02 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:33:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <1197076047.4759ee4fb6b6d@webmail.city-net.com> References: <4759DE21.80308@scrtc.com> <1197076047.4759ee4fb6b6d@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4759F44E.507@scrtc.com> Arnie, The timed hot tube has a mechanism that allows the red hot tube to be exposed to the cylinder at a specific time. This can be accomplished by the tube being located in a separate chamber connected with a valve of sorts that would allow the chamber to be exposed to the cylinder at a specific time. I've never had one apart and perhaps some of our folks from across the water can give us specifics if they have. Tommy Turner fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hi Tommy, > >I KNEW I could count on you!! 8-)) > >When you say a "timed hot tube" are you referring to the sort of rig I've seen >in England where the burner & chimney clamp to a parallel rod and can be moved >up and down to change where the hot spot is on the hot tube thus affecting the >timing? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > > > >>Arnie, >> Here's some that are out in the shed: >> >>IHC (the early "Horizontal" models and then the Famous models) >>White Middleton >>Olds (Gearless model's both upright and horizontals) >>Weber >>Crossley (early models, some had a timed hot tube, both horizontal and >>uprights had hot tubes) >>Stickney (Jr. model and early horizontals) >>Charter >>Foos >>Temple Inverted >> >>Others that I don't have (but I'm looking for!): >> >>Backus >>Bauer (early) >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 7 18:08:40 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:08:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ABD1179-A5DA-486C-8CFC-97B940AEC39B@rustyiron.com> The three that I can think of that are in our stable are Allan Brothers, Crossley and National. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Dec 7, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied > from the > factory with hot tube ignition. > > For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half- > breeds. > I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp > vaporizing oil engines. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 7 18:54:43 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:54:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <4759F44E.507@scrtc.com> References: <4759DE21.80308@scrtc.com> <1197076047.4759ee4fb6b6d@webmail.city-net.com> <4759F44E.507@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1197082483.475a077340e06@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, Oh, THAT's NEAT!!! Dave's Austral has a timing valve like that. See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > The timed hot tube has a mechanism that allows the red hot tube to > be exposed to the cylinder at a specific time. This can be accomplished > by the tube being located in a separate chamber connected with a valve > of sorts that would allow the chamber to be exposed to the cylinder at a > specific time. I've never had one apart and perhaps some of our folks > from across the water can give us specifics if they have. From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Dec 7 21:14:35 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:14:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly about 1909?? http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie National rally. Russell At 09:56 AM 8/12/2007, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied from the >factory with hot tube ignition. > >For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half-breeds. >I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp >vaporizing oil engines. > >If you also have an idea of the range of years the engine was offered with >hot tube ignition, that would be a plus. > >My list, so far, includes: > >- Myric (and later Luther) Eclipse (circa 1903 through at least 1949) >- Fairbanks Morse "T" >- Fairbanks Morse "N" > >Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Dec 7 21:23:47 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:23:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <475A2A63.8040106@scrtc.com> Nice Russell! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA Russell Gilbert wrote: >Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly about 1909?? >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML >I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting >great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie National rally. >Russell > > >At 09:56 AM 8/12/2007, you wrote: > > >>Hi Folks, >> >>I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied from the >>factory with hot tube ignition. >> >>For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half-breeds. >>I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp >>vaporizing oil engines. >> >>If you also have an idea of the range of years the engine was offered with >>hot tube ignition, that would be a plus. >> >>My list, so far, includes: >> >>- Myric (and later Luther) Eclipse (circa 1903 through at least 1949) >>- Fairbanks Morse "T" >>- Fairbanks Morse "N" >> >>Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 7 21:39:16 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:39:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> Man, that's a beautiful hunk of iron, Russell. I can't quite tell from the picture, but is your Campbell governed off a pendulum on the bottom pushrod, or a flyball off the upper shaft? Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly > about 1909?? > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML > I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting > great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie > National rally. > Russell From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 7 23:09:33 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:09:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition References: <4759DE21.80308@scrtc.com> <1197076047.4759ee4fb6b6d@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001b01c83969$500b8260$a210eedc@fred> We hava aTangyes, Hot tube ignition, timing is changed by moving flame along the tube to advance or retard firing. David Watts (03) 87616332 http://thumb18.webshots.net/t/57/657/4/50/62/2090450620098406298MebCzj_th.jpg damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 7 23:27:51 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:27:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition Message-ID: <001801c8396b$d7d5dc20$a210eedc@fred> We hava aTangyes, Hot tube ignition, timing is changed by moving flame along the tube to advance or retard firing. It has a pendulum Govenor that operates on the exhaust valve which makes it a hit & miss type eng. most hot bulb engines that I have seen operate the miss cycle on the fuel valve so as to maintain heat in the hot bulb, but not this cantankerous Tangyes. Likes to be in a warm shed! http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2090450620098406298MebCzj?vhost=home-and-garden David Watts (03) 87616332>> damewatt at bigpond.com>> Brian Watts (03) 97266147>> briwatt at optusnet.com.au>> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat>>>>>> -->> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database:269.16.17/1177 - Release Date: 7/12/2007 1:11 PM>>>>> From pcgray at zoominternet.net Sat Dec 8 11:43:49 2007 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:43:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] hot tube engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arnie- Let us not forget those little pumpers: National Transit- "Lil Hummer 3.5 HP circa 1908-1920 VT13- 7.5 and 11.5 HP circa teens Vertical no name- circa 1900-1915, ~5 HP guesses on the dates American Railway Appliance Co- ARACO 2,4,5,6 and 12 HP verticals circa 1910-1920, air and water cooled out of business from city directories about 1922 Bovaird 2, 4, 6 HP verticals water cooled circa 1905-1920 Bovaird and Seyfang 2,4,? HP verticals water and air cooled teens? Oil Well Supply Co 4 HP vertical, teens, air cooled. I have a bunch of them posted on the photo album on enginads. All of these came as either hot tube or accessory mags/buzz coil. The teens, early 20's seems to be the heyday for these engines.... Paul myrickmachine at gmail.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Dec 8 12:21:05 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 20:21:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Website Housekeeping Message-ID: <6f6025160712081221p37ad18f2q160f65667482c1e3@mail.gmail.com> Those of us who have websites hosted by Oldengine and other sites might like to take a look at some of the 'rubbish' that needs to be cleaned out occasionally, both to free up space on the server and as a general housekeeping job. The worst offenders are Paint Shop Pro and other graphics editing programmes. When you look at a folder of pictures on your PC, the programme (program) will create a file of thumbnails and save that to your hard drive. This file is called "pspbrwse.jbf" for Paint Shop Pro, and every folder you go into to look at pictures you will find one of these files in there. A large folder can have a very large instance of this file, we have found 4mb and above in folders such as our Portland trip folders. These get carried over to the websites (mostly accidentally) and you end up with a very big amount of server space that could really be used for better things. Next time you transfer files to your website, have a look for these sort of files and delete them, as they cannot be used on the server in any way. Don't delete them on your PC as the files are there to save time getting the thumbnails up on screen when you look in the folder next time. You can also set PSP up not to save the browser file. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pitty10 at aapt.net.au Sat Dec 8 14:15:01 2007 From: pitty10 at aapt.net.au (Bradley Pitt) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 09:15:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell Message-ID: <000c01c839e7$ccca2e90$a7de653b@brad> Russ, Are you setting the bench mark, if your taking yours to the national i will have to take mine. Brad From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sat Dec 8 15:25:26 2007 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:25:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell References: <000c01c839e7$ccca2e90$a7de653b@brad> Message-ID: <001b01c839f1$a6f36650$50ad57ca@n> Brad and Russ, if you both do that then i will have to take mine then, make a good set at rally! mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bradley Pitt" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Campbell > Russ, > Are you setting the bench mark, if your taking yours to the national i > will have to take mine. > Brad > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sat Dec 8 15:45:14 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:45:14 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Hot Tube Engines Message-ID: <001501c839f4$61b8e5d0$39c26f58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Arnie, From Scotland you already have Allen Bros, Ashgrove Works Aberdeen but there is also Alexander Shanks Dens Iron Works Arbroath ( which is about 25 miles south of Aberdeen). I also have an engine which has cast into the hopper the words The Angus which is by an unknown maker either Wilson of Aberdeen or Shanks of Arbroath. Another manufacturer is Wilson of Aberdeen who's full details I will forward latter, there are atleast a couple of Wilson engines in Australia . Cheers, Craig P.S ; Hope this makes up for the earlier post From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Dec 8 17:44:42 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:44:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell In-Reply-To: <001b01c839f1$a6f36650$50ad57ca@n> References: <000c01c839e7$ccca2e90$a7de653b@brad> <001b01c839f1$a6f36650$50ad57ca@n> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071209124028.01af4198@ncable.com.au> I thought this was going to happen anyway! for everybody else to catch up with whats going on, I bought my engine some time back, One look at it and I had to have it, (they really are a very attractive engine) then along came one for sale in the TOMM that Mick just could not live with out (a smaller engine about 2hp?? from memory) and then Brad drove to Brisbane for an engine sale and stole his from the deceased estate :-) (Brads is about a 4hp), they should look quite a site lined up together at Murray bridge National. At 10:25 AM 9/12/2007, you wrote: >Brad and Russ, >if you both do that then i will have to take mine then, make a good set at >rally! > mick >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bradley Pitt" >To: >Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:15 AM >Subject: [SEL] Campbell > > > > Russ, > > Are you setting the bench mark, if your taking yours to the national i > > will have to take mine. > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Dec 8 17:59:15 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:59:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> Rob they really are a great looking engine. the top shaft is a side shaft running the flyball governor only. The movement of the flyball works the pendulum engaging the push rod to work the rocker arm. I have not seen one running and will be fun getting this one restored. It would seem that the engine will be a hand full to set up with fuel flow needing to be spot on, the flyball govenor tension right, and then the adjustment of the weight of the pendulum. All that while learing about constant flame hot tube ignition. Russell At 04:39 PM 8/12/2007, you wrote: >Man, that's a beautiful hunk of iron, Russell. I can't quite tell >from the picture, but is your Campbell governed off a pendulum on the >bottom pushrod, or a flyball off the upper shaft? > > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > >On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > > Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly > > about 1909?? > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML > > I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting > > great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie > > National rally. > > Russell > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 8 20:59:23 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:59:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <1197176363.475b762ba76ac@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Russell, Damn, that sounds like an engine designer's sick joke. 8-)) Do you have any close-ups of the flyball governor & pendulum area? I'm having trouble trying to picture how it all would work together. How far away is completion of this project on your "list"; you mentioned the next National? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Russell Gilbert : > Rob they really are a great looking engine. the top shaft is a side > shaft running the flyball governor only. The movement of the flyball > works the pendulum engaging the push rod to work the rocker arm. I > have not seen one running and will be fun getting this one restored. > It would seem that the engine will be a hand full to set up with fuel > flow needing to be spot on, the flyball govenor tension right, and > then the adjustment of the weight of the pendulum. All that while > learing about constant flame hot tube ignition. > > At 04:39 PM 8/12/2007, you wrote: > >Man, that's a beautiful hunk of iron, Russell. I can't quite tell > >from the picture, but is your Campbell governed off a pendulum on the > >bottom pushrod, or a flyball off the upper shaft? > > > >On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > > Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly > > > about 1909?? > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML > > > I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting > > > great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie > > > National rally. From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Dec 8 22:07:32 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:07:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <1197176363.475b762ba76ac@webmail.city-net.com> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> <1197176363.475b762ba76ac@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071209170617.01ae6648@ncable.com.au> Arnie it a way off at this point. Still trying to un-seize the piston. The next national is about 15 months away. Russell PS: will send pics direct. At 03:59 PM 9/12/2007, you wrote: >G'day Russell, > >Damn, that sounds like an engine designer's sick joke. 8-)) >Do you have any close-ups of the flyball governor & pendulum area? >I'm having trouble trying to picture how it all would work together. > >How far away is completion of this project on your "list"; you mentioned the >next National? > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >Quoting Russell Gilbert : > > > Rob they really are a great looking engine. the top shaft is a side > > shaft running the flyball governor only. The movement of the flyball > > works the pendulum engaging the push rod to work the rocker arm. I > > have not seen one running and will be fun getting this one restored. > > It would seem that the engine will be a hand full to set up with fuel > > flow needing to be spot on, the flyball govenor tension right, and > > then the adjustment of the weight of the pendulum. All that while > > learing about constant flame hot tube ignition. > > > > At 04:39 PM 8/12/2007, you wrote: > > >Man, that's a beautiful hunk of iron, Russell. I can't quite tell > > >from the picture, but is your Campbell governed off a pendulum on the > > >bottom pushrod, or a flyball off the upper shaft? > > > > > >On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > > > Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly > > > > about 1909?? > > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML > > > > I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting > > > > great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie > > > > National rally. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 9 00:38:06 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 08:38:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale Message-ID: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> We have been contacted by a guy in the USA who has a couple of Nordberg Power Chief generating sets and is looking to see if there is any interest. Pictures of these engines are on our website in the Nordberg section. Hours run 2000 approx, Kato alternators and about 10kVA. Please contact me in the first instance, enquiries will be passed on. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Sun Dec 9 03:06:18 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:06:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Russell,give me the number and I will date it for you.I have all the Shop Number Books for the Hallifax Campbells.> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:59:15 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: Re: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition> > Rob they really are a great looking engine. the top shaft is a side > shaft running the flyball governor only. The movement of the flyball > works the pendulum engaging the push rod to work the rocker arm. I > have not seen one running and will be fun getting this one restored. > It would seem that the engine will be a hand full to set up with fuel > flow needing to be spot on, the flyball govenor tension right, and > then the adjustment of the weight of the pendulum. All that while > learing about constant flame hot tube ignition.> > Russell> > At 04:39 PM 8/12/2007, you wrote:> >Man, that's a beautiful hunk of iron, Russell. I can't quite tell> >from the picture, but is your Campbell governed off a pendulum on the> >bottom pushrod, or a flyball off the upper shaft?> >> > Rob Skinner> > La Habra, California> > www.rustyiron.com> >> >> >> >> >> >On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:> >> > > Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly> > > about 1909??> > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML> > > I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting> > > great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie> > > National rally.> > > Russell> >> >> >_______________________________________________> >SEL mailing list> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Dec 9 08:41:31 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:41:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter: Are you SURE these gensets are only 10Kw??!! Seems a LOT small for a Nordberg. Let me know and I'll see if I can find anyone who's interested in saving them. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 02:38 AM > To: Stationary-Engine; SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder > Generators for sale > > > We have been contacted by a guy in the USA who > has a couple of > Nordberg Power Chief generating sets and is > looking to see if there is > any interest. > > Pictures of these engines are on our website in > the Nordberg section. > Hours run 2000 approx, Kato alternators and about 10kVA. > > Please contact me in the first instance, > enquiries will be passed on. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 9 08:04:29 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:04:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712090804t2f19ad06r4d5d95d8e1c94017@mail.gmail.com> On 09/12/2007, Elden DuRand wrote: > Peter: > > Are you SURE these gensets are only 10Kw??!! Seems a LOT small for a Nordberg. > > Let me know and I'll see if I can find anyone who's interested in saving them. > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com They did some small stuff as well as the big thumpers. http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nordberg/Nordberg1.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Dec 9 08:22:57 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 08:22:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition References: <001801c8396b$d7d5dc20$a210eedc@fred> Message-ID: <005901c83a7f$c2e36840$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> A couple of questions on this. How many degrees of timing change happen by moving the flame spot. I thought that timing was changed by adjusting the length of the tube. Would this be a fine and course adjustments. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition We hava aTangyes, Hot tube ignition, timing is changed by moving flame along the tube to advance or retard firing. It has a pendulum Govenor that operates on the exhaust valve which makes it a hit & miss type eng. most hot bulb engines that I have seen operate the miss cycle on the fuel valve so as to maintain heat in the hot bulb, but not this cantankerous Tangyes. Likes to be in a warm shed! http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2090450620098406298MebCzj?vhost=home-and-gardenDavid Watts (03) 87616332>> damewatt at bigpond.com>> BrianWatts (03) 97266147>> briwatt at optusnet.com.au>>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat>>>>>> -->> Novirus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG FreeEdition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database:269.16.17/1177 -Release Date: 7/12/2007 1:11 PM>>>>>_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel--No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1178 - ReleaseDate: 12/8/2007 11:59 AM From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Dec 9 09:41:24 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 09:41:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale Message-ID: <20071209.094124.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Peter. Where in the USA are the units located? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 08:38:06 +0000 Listerdiesel writes: > We have been contacted by a guy in the USA who has a couple of > Nordberg Power Chief generating sets and is looking to see if there > is > any interest. > > Pictures of these engines are on our website in the Nordberg > section. > Hours run 2000 approx, Kato alternators and about 10kVA. > > Please contact me in the first instance, enquiries will be passed > on. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 9 10:03:56 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:03:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: <20071209.094124.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20071209.094124.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712091003k5670466fn72858d1cc92b1268@mail.gmail.com> On 09/12/2007, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Peter. Where in the USA are the units located? > > Ron Haskell I know not, Ron, only that they served a radio station in the Mojave Desert. I have passed your details on to the vendor. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Dec 9 13:58:23 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:58:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071210085703.01b21690@ncable.com.au> G'day John. the serial number of my engine is 6297 regards Russell At 10:06 PM 9/12/2007, you wrote: >Russell,give me the number and I will date it for you.I have all the >Shop Number Books for the Hallifax Campbells.> Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Dec 9 15:12:39 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:12:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712090804t2f19ad06r4d5d95d8e1c94017@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter: I'd be interested in one of them if they weren't all the way out near the left coast. If no one else wants 'em, I'll ask around. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:04 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief > 2-cylinder Generators for sale > > > On 09/12/2007, Elden DuRand wrote: > > Peter: > > > > Are you SURE these gensets are only 10Kw??!! > Seems a LOT small for a Nordberg. > > > > Let me know and I'll see if I can find anyone > who's interested in saving them. > > > > Take care - Elden > > edurand at mchsi.com > > They did some small stuff as well as the big thumpers. > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nordberg/Nordberg1.htm > > Peter From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Dec 9 15:39:34 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:39:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale Message-ID: <20071209.153934.1192.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Peter. He has contacted me already. I'll let you know what works out. Thanks Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:03:56 +0000 Listerdiesel writes: > On 09/12/2007, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > Hi Peter. Where in the USA are the units located? > > > > Ron Haskell > > I know not, Ron, only that they served a radio station in the Mojave > Desert. > > I have passed your details on to the vendor. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk From milo at hughes.net Sun Dec 9 16:18:45 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 19:18:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c83ac2$42540c50$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel >Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:38 AM >To: Stationary-Engine; SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale > >We have been contacted by a guy in the USA who has a couple of >Nordberg Power Chief generating sets and is looking to see if there is >any interest. > >Pictures of these engines are on our website in the Nordberg section. >Hours run 2000 approx, Kato alternators and about 10kVA. > >Please contact me in the first instance, enquiries will be passed on. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk Peter, if it's not too late, I'd like to put my name in the hat. Thank You Milo Holroyd Kalamazoo, Michigan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: 12/9/2007 11:06 AM From jbcast at charter.net Sun Dec 9 17:21:54 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:21:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Titan-timely stop Message-ID: <20071209202154.AUGL5.303039.root@fepweb02> Iv'e been visiting a throttle goeverned 8hp IH Titan for years, sometimes the owner was home. This was a project engine that got stale. It's in pieces , seems to be almost complete, on original cart. He had the crank built up and put it back in the block, didn't do any more. Katrina took the roof off the shed and it's been exposed to the weather. Today I made a deal for it, swapped a smaller engine. I'll have to resleeve it, may need a fuel pump, not sure. The water pump, mixer,ignitor and rocker arm were there, as well as the remains of the screen cooler. This engine is on the way to the Desjardin, I'll take the big trailer and pick them both up during the holiday season if all goes well. I'll give an update when they're home. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Dec 9 17:43:08 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:43:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Titan-timely stop In-Reply-To: <20071209202154.AUGL5.303039.root@fepweb02> References: <20071209202154.AUGL5.303039.root@fepweb02> Message-ID: ...and don't forget the camera! Congratulations. On Dec 9, 2007, at 5:21 PM, wrote: > Iv'e been visiting a throttle goeverned 8hp IH Titan for years, > sometimes the owner was home. This was a project engine that got > stale. It's in pieces , seems to be almost complete, on original > cart. He had the crank built up and put it back in the block, didn't > do any more. Katrina took the roof off the shed and it's been > exposed to the weather. Today I made a deal for it, swapped a > smaller engine. I'll have to resleeve it, may need a fuel pump, not > sure. The water pump, mixer,ignitor and rocker arm were there, as > well as the remains of the screen cooler. This engine is on the way > to the Desjardin, I'll take the big trailer and pick them both up > during the holiday season if all goes well. I'll give an update when > they're home. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 9 17:57:07 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:57:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Titan-timely stop In-Reply-To: <20071209202154.AUGL5.303039.root@fepweb02> References: <20071209202154.AUGL5.303039.root@fepweb02> Message-ID: <475C9CF3.5070400@scrtc.com> Congratulations on getting a deal struck. And you knew that Shoe Box Fairbanks would come in hand to trade some day! As Rob said, take some photos. I enjoy the "here's where I got it" stories a great deal. I wished I had photographed and documented some of my adventures. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky jbcast at charter.net wrote: >Iv'e been visiting a throttle goeverned 8hp IH Titan for years, sometimes the owner was home. This was a project engine that got stale. It's in pieces , seems to be almost complete, on original cart. He had the crank built up and put it back in the block, didn't do any more. Katrina took the roof off the shed and it's been exposed to the weather. Today I made a deal for it, swapped a smaller engine. I'll have to resleeve it, may need a fuel pump, not sure. The water pump, mixer,ignitor and rocker arm were there, as well as the remains of the screen cooler. This engine is on the way to the Desjardin, I'll take the big trailer and pick them both up during the holiday season if all goes well. I'll give an update when they're home. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 9 18:20:00 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:20:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engines on Ebay with Starter Message-ID: <475CA250.6030507@scrtc.com> There is a neat set up on ebay. Two ZC 118 engines are on there for sale but included is an electric starter for them. I've never seen the starter set up before and it would be nice to have for any old iron. Here's the item number: 290189306082 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 00:33:42 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:33:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: <000301c83ac2$42540c50$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> References: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> <000301c83ac2$42540c50$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <6f6025160712100033l4648ed2ep7cc2421fff020aae@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/2007, Milo wrote: > Peter, if it's not too late, I'd like to put my name in the hat. > Thank You > > Milo Holroyd Details passed on. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 00:37:14 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:37:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712100037w203001bbvd89a1d3d4f0e5527@mail.gmail.com> On 09/12/2007, Elden DuRand wrote: > Peter: > > Are you SURE these gensets are only 10Kw??!! Seems a LOT small for a Nordberg. > > Let me know and I'll see if I can find anyone who's interested in saving them. > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com The are probably 18-20kVA as the single-cylinder is 9kVA. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Mon Dec 10 02:20:04 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:20:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Campbell dating. In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071210085703.01b21690@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20071210085703.01b21690@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Russell,your engine is a 6 bhp Campbell Oil Engine dispatched from the works on 12-8-08 to Clark Fauset,Brisbane. I have dated this engine before. Any one else got a number they want looked up? John.> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:58:23 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: Re: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition> > G'day John. the serial number of my engine is 6297 regards Russell> > At 10:06 PM 9/12/2007, you wrote:> > >Russell,give me the number and I will date it for you.I have all the > >Shop Number Books for the Hallifax Campbells.>> > Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at att.net Mon Dec 10 09:39:52 2007 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:39:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition Message-ID: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Did all hot tube engines also run on natural gas too? Glenn From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Dec 10 10:04:39 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:04:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <475D7FB7.50609@scrtc.com> No Glenn, a lot of them had gasoline torches and ran on gasoline. I would think it a bit unusual for an engine to have a natural gas torch on the hot tube and then run on gasoline but I guess it could happen and probable did in some cases. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky >Did all hot tube engines also run on natural gas too? > >Glenn >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 10 10:08:20 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:08:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Dec 10, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Glenn Karch wrote: > Did all hot tube engines also run on natural gas too? > > Glenn Nope. The process works just as well with liquid fuel. Rob From curt at imc-group.com Mon Dec 10 10:10:42 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:10:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <475D8122.7040603@imc-group.com> Glenn, Seems like I've seen a photo of the earliest IHC engines with a small petrol tank hung over the front of the engine a few feet up (4"?) to fuel the hot tube. Maybe I'm recalling that entirely incorrectly. I'll try and have a look in the old IHC catalog I have. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Glenn Karch wrote: > Did all hot tube engines also run on natural gas too? > > Glenn > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Dec 10 10:53:20 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:53:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <475D8122.7040603@imc-group.com> References: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <475D8122.7040603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <475D8B20.3010501@scrtc.com> You're right Curt, I've got one of them. The small tank hangs on the water pipe about 3 feet or so above the cylinder. The gravity pressure from the tank is enough for the torch. I think the hot tube ignition on these engines was a bit of a gimmick to ease people to the transition to electric ignition. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Glenn, >Seems like I've seen a photo of the earliest IHC engines with a small >petrol tank hung over the front of the engine a few feet up (4"?) to >fuel the hot tube. >Maybe I'm recalling that entirely incorrectly. I'll try and have a look >in the old IHC catalog I have. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >Glenn Karch wrote: > > >>Did all hot tube engines also run on natural gas too? >> >>Glenn >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Dec 10 14:28:53 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:28:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. Message-ID: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes that some might find interested. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/rathbun/ Take care. Ken Christison Conway, NC www.kenskritters.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Dec 10 16:08:47 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:08:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. References: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c83b8a$00b72f70$0202a8c0@Ed> Ken, Are there any pictures or drawings to go with the text? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. > > I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes that some might > find interested. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/rathbun/ > > Take care. > > Ken Christison > Conway, NC > www.kenskritters.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Dec 10 17:29:03 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:29:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. Message-ID: <380-22007122111293171@coastalnet.com> Ed, This is all the info that is in the book. Sorry...... Ken > [Original Message] > From: Ed stoller > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 12/10/2007 7:12:24 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. > > Ken, > > Are there any pictures or drawings to go with the text? From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Dec 10 17:52:18 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:52:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. References: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <018f01c83b98$76b43b10$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Hi Ken, Thanks for posting the hot tube article. It kind of implies that the engine has to throttle goverened not hit and miss, does anybody have any knowledge on this? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes that some might find interested. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/rathbun/ Take care. Ken Christison Conway, NC www.kenskritters.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Dec 10 18:11:41 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:11:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. In-Reply-To: <018f01c83b98$76b43b10$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> References: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> <018f01c83b98$76b43b10$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <475DF1DD.2070901@scrtc.com> Jim, No, hit and miss engines were hot tube also. The Myrick engines were H/M as were the Famous and most of the Type N Fairbanks engines. My Stickney Jr. is hot tube and its a H/M so were the Gearless Olds and many others. I think the efficience of using a hot tube on a H/M was greatly diminshed as you were using energy to heat a tube that was only used 3 or 4 times a minute, more often if under load. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY JIM KIRKES wrote: >Hi Ken, > >Thanks for posting the hot tube article. It kind of implies >that the engine has to throttle goverened not hit and miss, >does anybody have any >knowledge on this? > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >Hemet, California U.S.A. >jd.kirkes at verizon.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Christison" >To: >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:28 PM >Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. > > > >I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes that some >might >find interested. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/rathbun/ > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >www.kenskritters.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Dec 10 18:49:45 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:49:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. References: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> <018f01c83b98$76b43b10$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <475DF1DD.2070901@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <01d301c83ba0$7d2c71d0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Hi Tommy, Thanks for the info, I have been mulling over converting an engine that I have to hot tube. Sounds like it would be an interesting project but it will have to wait for all of the other things. I suppose there is really no point in doing this as it works fine like it is, but it would be fun. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. Jim, No, hit and miss engines were hot tube also. The Myrick engines were H/M as were the Famous and most of the Type N Fairbanks engines. My Stickney Jr. is hot tube and its a H/M so were the Gearless Olds and many others. I think the efficience of using a hot tube on a H/M was greatly diminshed as you were using energy to heat a tube that was only used 3 or 4 times a minute, more often if under load. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY JIM KIRKES wrote: >Hi Ken, > >Thanks for posting the hot tube article. It kind of >implies >that the engine has to throttle goverened not hit and miss, >does anybody have any >knowledge on this? > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >Hemet, California U.S.A. >jd.kirkes at verizon.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Christison" >To: >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:28 PM >Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. > > > >I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes that some >might >find interested. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/rathbun/ > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >www.kenskritters.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Dec 10 19:37:02 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:37:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <01d301c83ba0$7d2c71d0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <536637.96363.qm@web82014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was waiting for the official announcement from Spencer about the Charity Auction, but haven't seen it yet. I read on one of the other atis email lists that they had listed several items. So, I proceeded to list 2 of the Mini Engines from Turtle Creek Scale Models. One is a Stover and the other is a Root & Vandervoort. (I missed getting one to Dave before he left the Baraboo show to take to Portland for the summer auction). So, BID EARLY, OFTEN, AND EVEN AGAINST YOURSELF !!! Steve +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, Illinois http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net Turtle Creek Scale Model Engines available at: http://users.ameritech.net/stevebarr/gasenginemodels.htm +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 10 19:39:37 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:39:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1197344377.475e0679ca812@webmail.city-net.com> Nope. 8-) Quoting Glenn Karch : > Did all hot tube engines also run on natural gas too? From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 10 19:48:44 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:48:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. In-Reply-To: <018f01c83b98$76b43b10$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> References: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> <018f01c83b98$76b43b10$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <1054F0ED-11A3-4BBF-AFF7-E6CDE86C1889@rustyiron.com> On Dec 10, 2007, at 5:52 PM, JIM KIRKES wrote: > Thanks for posting the hot tube article. It kind of implies > that the engine has to throttle goverened not hit and miss, > does anybody have any > knowledge on this? Sorry Jim, Hit & miss or throttle governed -- it doesn't matter. Rob From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Dec 10 20:01:16 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:01:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell dating. In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20071210085703.01b21690@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071211145941.01b404f8@ncable.com.au> Thanks John, I thought you gave me details some time back when we were chating about the petter but I couldn't find record of it so no harm done. I have saved the info with my engine doc's now. many thanks, regards Russell At 09:20 PM 10/12/2007, you wrote: >Hi Russell,your engine is a 6 bhp Campbell Oil Engine dispatched >from the works on 12-8-08 to Clark Fauset,Brisbane. I have dated >this engine before. Any one else got a number they want looked >up? John.> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:58:23 +1100> To: >sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition> > G'day John. the >serial number of my engine is 6297 regards Russell> > At 10:06 PM >9/12/2007, you wrote:> > >Russell,give me the number and I will date >it for you.I have all the > >Shop Number Books for the Hallifax >Campbells.>> > Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> >russell at ncable.com.au> >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > >_______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Dec 11 02:47:51 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:47:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young Rally 10 days ago. They can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html (Sorry about the delay - renovating the house) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 11 03:08:13 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:08:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Kaesler Reliance engine Message-ID: Can anyone date a 6 HP Kaesler Reliance engine manufactured in Hahndorf, South Australia its number is 74. Owner is in NZ and has asked for help Kerry Morris Lithgow Oz From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 11 03:19:40 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:19:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally References: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <010001c83be7$b9e780a0$a47b6c3a@domain.invalid> Very good mate.As usual. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Young Rally > I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young Rally 10 > days ago. They can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html > > (Sorry about the delay - renovating the house) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 11 08:27:56 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:27:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. In-Reply-To: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: Ken: Thanks for the hot tube info. I've saved the files for reference. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ken > Christison > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 04:29 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. > > > > I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes > that some might > find interested. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resour > ces/rathbun/ > > Take care. > > Ken Christison From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 11 08:35:37 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:35:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. In-Reply-To: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: Ken: I just checked out the "save as" pictures from your web page and they are too fuzzy to use. I simply printed them direct and they are fine. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ken > Christison > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 04:29 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. > > > > I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes > that some might > find interested. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resour ces/rathbun/ From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 15:44:13 2007 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:44:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Thanks for the pics Patrick. Great job as usual.Lyndsay > From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:47:51 +1100> Subject: [SEL] Young Rally> > I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young Rally 10> days ago. They can be seen at:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html> > (Sorry about the delay - renovating the house)> > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT From oldironnut at alltel.net Wed Dec 12 06:10:36 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:10:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <908BEBBD-6890-41F2-9946-744FE516EB2C@alltel.net> On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young > Rally 10 > days ago. They can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html Great pictures Patrick! I'm curious, there seem to be a LOT of IHC engines there. Did IHC sell a lot of engines in Australia originally or have collectors imported them there recently? Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at alltel.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From curt at imc-group.com Wed Dec 12 06:49:11 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:49:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <475FF4E7.6030402@imc-group.com> Patrick, Did you happen to record the s/n on this 8HP IHC? Interesting engine. I gather it is a kero burning engine. Throttler? Did anyone note the extra bolts on the operator side at the hot tube and the water outlet? Not seen this before. Patrick, your continued devotion to spectacular photos at rallies is very much appreciated! Curt Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young Rally 10 > days ago. They can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html > > (Sorry about the delay - renovating the house) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Dec 12 14:43:22 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:43:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell on Webshots Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071213093013.01a5b5a0@ncable.com.au> G'day all engine folk. A number of list men have been in touch with me off list regarding the campbell hot tube engine. I went over to the shed this morning and took a number of pictures of the governor mechanism to better show how it works. There are also other pics the the engine generally. These have now been put into my webshots albums: see http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse The picture the other day showed a green old resto campbell. This engine was bought the day before I got to Queensland to have a look at this gear. It has a mechanical lubricator on it where mine does not. My engine is not missing this, it just never had one fitted? The engine for sale in the TOMM a while back now belongs to Mick Christie. His engine has a drip oiler of all cast iron, not Brass and glass? Not sure what Brad Pitts engine has. So there does seem to be a number of differences between the campbells we know of. They are quite a rare beast. regards Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Dec 12 16:19:08 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:19:08 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally References: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <908BEBBD-6890-41F2-9946-744FE516EB2C@alltel.net> Message-ID: <012c01c83d1d$c98a2940$210110ac@Chester> Mike, IHC did sell lots of engines in Australia, there is a lot of m models & famous,s in collections here, in W.A anyway, cheers, Chester from West Aussie. > > Great pictures Patrick! I'm curious, there seem to be a LOT of IHC > engines there. Did IHC sell a lot of engines in Australia originally > or have collectors imported them there recently? > > Mike > > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at alltel.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 12 17:47:13 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:47:13 EST Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2007 6:48:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com writes: _http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html) Patrick Thanks for the great photos! On the first page there are photos 21/22 of a 6M International on original steel. Does anyone know what the half moon shaped piece of metal is bolted to the side of the chassis near the front axle? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 12 18:03:01 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:03:01 EST Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: In a message dated 12/12/2007 9:58:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Did anyone note the extra bolts on the operator side at the hot tube and the water outlet? Not seen this before. Curt, Is that a hot tube on the top of the cylinder? If so, why a hot tube and Webster magneto too? The bolt near the water outlet is also a mystery. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 12 18:08:53 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:08:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47609435.8080905@scrtc.com> I really like the Australs and the Lauson tank cooled on page 5, Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > >In a message dated 12/11/2007 6:48:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, >frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com writes: > >_http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html_ >(http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html) > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 12 18:19:41 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:19:41 EST Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: In a message dated 12/12/2007 9:58:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Did anyone note the extra bolts on the operator side at the hot tube and the water outlet? Not seen this before. Curt, After going back and looking at the photo, I believe the pipe on the top front of the engine is a filler pipe to fill the cylinder with water. On mine, at the top of the outlet pipe is a tee for filling the cylinder and going back to the cooling screen. In Patrick's photo, there is only a 90 degree elbow and no way to fill the cylinder. Could the extra bolt near the water outlet be a vent when filling the cylinder or when first starting the engine to get all the air out of the system? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Dec 12 18:25:14 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:25:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FE6D276D6A74938A7B15118740C5A85@KerryPC> G'Day Tom The bracket that holds the hand brake and tooth lock as seen complete in mine http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Photos/InterM6.JPG Kerry > > On the first page there are photos 21/22 of a 6M International on original > steel. Does anyone know what the half moon shaped piece of metal is > bolted to > the side of the chassis near the front axle? > > Thanks, > > > Tom Schmutz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Dec 12 23:11:44 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:11:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: <908BEBBD-6890-41F2-9946-744FE516EB2C@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20071213071133.TCEH23023.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Mike, There are a lot of IHC engines in Oz. They are probably the most common of the non-Australian made engines.IHC must have had very strong agents around Oz. The only IHC at the rally that was a recent import was the Mogul Jr. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young > Rally 10 > days ago. They can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html Great pictures Patrick! I'm curious, there seem to be a LOT of IHC engines there. Did IHC sell a lot of engines in Australia originally or have collectors imported them there recently? Mike From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Wed Dec 12 23:48:46 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:18:46 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Kaesler Reliance engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c83d5c$9a959900$fbc9ae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> Try here, http://www.communitywebs.org/~AHMRC/contacts.html There are some email contacts and snail address there. Club member Michael Sheehan is custodian of the Kaesler register -------- -----Original Message----- Can anyone date a 6 HP Kaesler Reliance engine manufactured in Hahndorf, South Australia its number is 74. Owner is in NZ and has asked for help Kerry Morris Lithgow Oz From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 13 00:04:53 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:04:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Kaesler Reliance engine In-Reply-To: <000001c83d5c$9a959900$fbc9ae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> References: <000001c83d5c$9a959900$fbc9ae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> Message-ID: Thank you Derek, I will pass on your information to him This is what the list is all about, helping one another Thanks again Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz > Try here, http://www.communitywebs.org/~AHMRC/contacts.html > There are some email contacts and snail address there. > > Club member Michael Sheehan is custodian of the Kaesler register -------- > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Thu Dec 13 00:58:18 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:28:18 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Kaesler Reliance engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c83d66$516485c0$fbc9ae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> And remember "POWER OF THE PAST", South Australia at the Mt Barker Oval, Dates for 2008 are 1 & 2 March., run by the Adelaide Hills Motor Restorers Club -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2007 6:35 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Kaesler Reliance engine Thank you Derek, I will pass on your information to him This is what the list is all about, helping one another Thanks again Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz > Try here, http://www.communitywebs.org/~AHMRC/contacts.html > There are some email contacts and snail address there. > > Club member Michael Sheehan is custodian of the Kaesler register > -------- > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Dec 13 01:32:09 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:32:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: <1FE6D276D6A74938A7B15118740C5A85@KerryPC> References: <1FE6D276D6A74938A7B15118740C5A85@KerryPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071213203136.01af8180@ncable.com.au> Hey Kerry is that a bit of dirt I see on your transport wheels!!! :-) Russell At 01:25 PM 13/12/2007, you wrote: >G'Day Tom > >The bracket that holds the hand brake and tooth lock as seen complete in >mine > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Photos/InterM6.JPG > >Kerry > > > > On the first page there are photos 21/22 of a 6M International on original > > steel. Does anyone know what the half moon shaped piece of metal is > > bolted to > > the side of the chassis near the front axle? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tom Schmutz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Dec 13 02:04:48 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:04:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally References: <1FE6D276D6A74938A7B15118740C5A85@KerryPC> <7.0.1.0.1.20071213203136.01af8180@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <00d101c83d6f$99e51310$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hey Russell he didn't even come to young. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Young Rally > Hey Kerry is that a bit of dirt I see on your transport wheels!!! :-) > Russell > > At 01:25 PM 13/12/2007, you wrote: >>G'Day Tom >> >>The bracket that holds the hand brake and tooth lock as seen complete in >>mine >> >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Photos/InterM6.JPG >> >>Kerry >> > >> > On the first page there are photos 21/22 of a 6M International on >> > original >> > steel. Does anyone know what the half moon shaped piece of metal is >> > bolted to >> > the side of the chassis near the front axle? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > >> > Tom Schmutz >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Thu Dec 13 02:59:16 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:59:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Campbell on Webshots In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071213093013.01a5b5a0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071213093013.01a5b5a0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Lovely Engine Russell,Hope you don't smere it in horrible modern paint!!> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:43:22 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Campbell on Webshots> > G'day all engine folk. A number of list men have been in touch with > me off list regarding the campbell hot tube engine. I went over to > the shed this morning and took a number of pictures of the governor > mechanism to better show how it works. There are also other pics the > the engine generally. These have now been put into my webshots albums: see> http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse> > The picture the other day showed a green old resto campbell. This > engine was bought the day before I got to Queensland to have a look > at this gear. It has a mechanical lubricator on it where mine does > not. My engine is not missing this, it just never had one fitted? The > engine for sale in the TOMM a while back now belongs to Mick > Christie. His engine has a drip oiler of all cast iron, not Brass and > glass? Not sure what Brad Pitts engine has. So there does seem to be > a number of differences between the campbells we know of. They are > quite a rare beast.> > regards Russell> Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Dec 13 05:32:50 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:32:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071213203136.01af8180@ncable.com.au> References: <1FE6D276D6A74938A7B15118740C5A85@KerryPC> <7.0.1.0.1.20071213203136.01af8180@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <47613482.2080507@imc-group.com> Russell, Truth is Kerry's lovely wife Ruth has a sly crafty sense of humor. When Kerry isn't looking, she mixes up a small bit of dirt and water and deposits the mud here and there on the cleanest transports. Then she'll put a few drops of used motor oil under a few of his engines, and a small oily drip on the best slicked painted ones. Oh it just drives Kerry nuts. He has to clean 'em all over again, because Kerry is only going to have spotless engines. Let not let on to Kerry about this, as we wouldn't want to disturb Ruth's fun. :-) Curt P.S. Hi Ruth. Russell Gilbert wrote: > Hey Kerry is that a bit of dirt I see on your transport wheels!!! :-) > Russell > > From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Thu Dec 13 05:44:49 2007 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:44:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally References: <20071213071133.TCEH23023.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003a01c83d8e$5ced11f0$c7ad57ca@n> G'day Patrick great pics as always patrick and eds mogul was'nt the only recent ihc import there, the restored 2.5 h.p Famous there was a recent import as well. cheers mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Young Rally > Hi Mike, > There are a lot of IHC engines in Oz. They are probably the most > common of the non-Australian made engines.IHC must have had very strong > agents around Oz. The only IHC at the rally that was a recent import was > the > Mogul Jr. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > -----Original Message----- > > > > On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young >> Rally 10 >> days ago. They can be seen at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html > > Great pictures Patrick! I'm curious, there seem to be a LOT of IHC > engines there. Did IHC sell a lot of engines in Australia originally > or have collectors imported them there recently? > > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Dec 13 05:57:27 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:57:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47613A47.70403@imc-group.com> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/12/2007 9:58:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, > curt at imc-group.com writes: > > Did anyone note the extra bolts on the operator side at the hot tube and > the water outlet? Not seen this > before. > > Curt, > > After going back and looking at the photo, I believe the pipe on the top > front of the engine is a filler pipe to fill the cylinder with water. Tom, In the old engine world anything is possible! However, on my 8HP this pad is clearly for a hot tube. Mine has never been drilled or tapped for the hot tube mounting. Only the front and back tapped holes would be possible. There is no place on the side for bolts as shown in the Oz photo. You questioned the existence of both hot tube and Webster. If the engine was shipped initially with HT, it is reasonable to assume someone upgraded it to electric ignition later. Tommy T mentioned yesterday that there was reservation in the early days to electric ignition, and that IHC provided the hot tube ignition as an option to settle doubters. This has got me wondering. Has anyone seen a Famous/Titan style engine with a hot tube boss with NO ignitor provision boss on the cylinder casting? That would be neat! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > On mine, at > the top of the outlet pipe is a tee for filling the cylinder and going back > to the cooling screen. In Patrick's photo, there is only a 90 degree elbow and > no way to fill the cylinder. Could the extra bolt near the water outlet be a > vent when filling the cylinder or when first starting the engine to get all > the air out of the system? > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Dec 13 08:46:18 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:46:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker Message-ID: Lawn edger anyone?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 Whew!!! Rickinmt. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 09:09:29 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:09:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> On 13/12/2007, Richard Strobel wrote: > Lawn edger anyone?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 > > Whew!!! > Rickinmt. Not over-keen on the private listing, that would have me running in the opposite direction pretty quickly! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 13 10:05:38 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:05:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Not over-keen on the private listing, that would have me running in > the opposite direction pretty quickly! >>>>> I 've got a pair of those , one like that in the auction with a bunch of A belts and the other has a flexible shaft as big as my forearm like a monster sized speedo cable . Both tilt from horizontal to vertical . .It seems dangerous at first , but you'd have to be really wasted to get wrapped up in it . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From oldengine at comcast.net Thu Dec 13 10:16:08 2007 From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:16:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker References: Message-ID: <002801c83db4$3c4128d0$6801a8c0@OLDENGINE> We had a David Bradley just like that one. It was used (by me) on the farm to clear the hedge rows. Had it and used it for years - 1958 to 1996. Sold it for $25. (before eBay). Yes, I was careful and it did have a somewhat tiny guard for the saw blade and it would convert to a mower with a different blade and a full guard over the top. -- Harry ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 18 > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:46:18 -0700 > From: "Richard Strobel" > Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker > To: "sel" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Lawn edger anyone?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 > > Whew!!! > Rickinmt. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Dec 13 10:28:08 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:28:08 EST Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker Message-ID: Hi Chuck, I saw one sell at a farm auction a few years back. The seller had only one leg. The other had been removed by a saw like this. He told me he was cutting brush with the sawblade while on a slope and the machine snagged instead of cut the brush, rotated and cut off one of his legs. His grandson was with him and saved his life by tying off the stump with a belt. He made no mention of being wasted, just stupid. I think the message is to not use sawblades on brush. If he had had a Gravely, and been seated on a sulky behind it, the Gravely can't turn 180 degrees and he would have been safe. Of course, if he had had a Gravely, he would have been using the bush hog and been finished and home by lunch time. Ron In a message dated 12/13/2007 1:18:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: > Not over-keen on the private listing, that would have me running in > the opposite direction pretty quickly! >>>>> I 've got a pair of those , one like that in the auction with a bunch of A belts and the other has a flexible shaft as big as my forearm like a monster sized speedo cable . Both tilt from horizontal to vertical . .It seems dangerous at first , but you'd have to be really wasted to get wrapped up in it . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 13 11:54:51 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:54:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DAMN!!! That's the PERFECT butt buggy for Portland. No worries about the road being blocked by gangs of fat people. That puppy would just cut right through 'em. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Richard Strobel wrote: > Lawn edger anyone?? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 13 12:01:37 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:01:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, With the new eBay bidders list policy, whenever the bid gets over $50 or $75, you can't see who's bidding anyway. They would list "Forbes" as "F****s". I'm surprised that they still offer the Private Listing option. There's not much point in it. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 > > Not over-keen on the private listing, that would have me running in > the opposite direction pretty quickly! From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 13 12:14:49 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:14:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron: Speaking of Gravelys, I had a couple of 'em for several years a while back. Good, long lived tractors if used within their capabilities. I've always wondered how well the chainsaw attachment worked. Do you know. It'd seem to me that it would be good as a buck saw. Never wanted to use the circular saw attachment. I'da prolly killed myself with it! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:28 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > ......................snip..................... > I saw one sell at a farm auction a few years > back. The seller had only one > leg. The other had been removed by a saw like > this. He told me he was cutting > brush with the sawblade while on a slope and the > machine snagged instead of > cut the brush, rotated and cut off one of his > legs. His grandson was with him > and saved his life by tying off the stump with a > belt. He made no mention of > being wasted, just stupid. > I think the message is to not use sawblades on > brush. If he had had a > Gravely, and been seated on a sulky behind it, > the Gravely can't turn 180 degrees > and he would have been safe. Of course, if he > had had a Gravely, he would have > been using the bush hog and been finished and > home by lunch time. > > Ron From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 11:32:06 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:32:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712131132y1042ef40i952c8ad6cf89970d@mail.gmail.com> On 13/12/2007, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > With the new eBay bidders list policy, whenever the bid gets over $50 or > $75, you can't see who's bidding anyway. They would list "Forbes" as > "F****s". > > I'm surprised that they still offer the Private Listing option. There's > not much point in it. > > See ya, Arnie It starts at ?100 over here, but we realise that as the POOR relations you can't afford to bid too high... :-)) I agree that some of this stuff is pretty pointless, but Ebay are getting a LOT of flak on their own forums at present, especially over the new rules on postage charges etc that they are bringing in. One of the ebay staff did take time to respond to a private email from me though, which was interesting and gives a little bit of hope. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Dec 13 11:34:59 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:34:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker Message-ID: Hi Elden, I can't answer how well they work but, I do have one or two in my collection and the look to be as strong as most of the Gravely stuff. In short, heavy bar, large chain, and a manual oiler that sits on the handlebar for the operator to apply oil as needed. They can cut vertical or horizontal or, if making sharp stakes for traps, at an angle. :>) I think they would be faster than a buck saw but maybe not faster than a hand held chain saw as you would have to have your log raised off the dirt just a little and then move the tractor for each cut. If you could set up a roller table to let the log come endwise into cutting position an keep the Gravely in one place, it would be a fast machine. Ron In a message dated 12/13/2007 2:19:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: Ron: Speaking of Gravelys, I had a couple of 'em for several years a while back. Good, long lived tractors if used within their capabilities. I've always wondered how well the chainsaw attachment worked. Do you know. It'd seem to me that it would be good as a buck saw. Never wanted to use the circular saw attachment. I'da prolly killed myself with it! Take care - Elden **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From curt at imc-group.com Thu Dec 13 11:51:14 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:51:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> Arnie Fero wrote: > PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! > Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. Curt From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 13 13:22:15 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:22:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: > > PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! > > > Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 13 12:50:57 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:50:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600460@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker Hi Curt, That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: > > PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! > > > Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 13 12:53:00 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:53:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600470@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Arnie, Isn't it obvious... The long cylinderical section is a built in dust collector! ;-) Which explains the lack of any sawdust on the ground! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker Hi Curt, That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: > > PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! > > > Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. > ia2005%20436.jpg> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Dec 13 13:06:46 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:06:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> That's it Arnie, Ozzies have no balls! :-) Nomex on. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Curt, > > That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? > It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya > reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: > > >>> PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! >>> >>> >> Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Dec 13 13:21:52 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:21:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4170.165.206.180.115.1197580912.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> That's because they've all used these devices in the past....... > That's it Arnie, Ozzies have no balls! :-) > Nomex on. > Curt > > Arnie Fero wrote: >> Hi Curt, >> >> That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? >> It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya >> reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: >> >> >>>> PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! >>>> >>>> >>> Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Dec 13 13:24:30 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:24:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071214082329.019b4668@ncable.com.au> Thank God it's got a gaurd over them belts for safety!!! Russell At 03:46 AM 14/12/2007, you wrote: >Lawn edger anyone?? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 > >Whew!!! >Rickinmt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 13 14:32:20 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:32:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute artist. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > That's it Arnie, Ozzies have no balls! :-) > Nomex on. > Curt > > Arnie Fero wrote: >> Hi Curt, >> >> That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? >> It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya >> reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: >> >> >>>> PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! >>>> >>>> >>> Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 13 14:46:37 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:46:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Edd, What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep up pretty well with the down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new to me and isn't something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute artist. EDD PAYNE This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Dec 13 14:54:58 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:54:58 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <000a01c83ddb$2faa20f0$8efe62d0$@net.au> My father has a Mobilco version of one of these. They were known as swing saws. He used it for many years in the Red Gum forests around Echuca cutting fence posts for a living. His is shaft driven and powered by a 6 hp JAP. The blade was swung horizontal to fell the tree. The tree was cut into suitable lengths and then the individual logs were cut length ways into segments to form the posts. He never had a bad accident but I can remember as a boy seeing the blade throw a piece of loose timber back between the wheels and crack one of his shins.These were heavy machines and it was amusing to see him struggling on one leg trying to get the spark plug wire off while the blade is acting like a wheel and trying to take the whole thing away at 60 mph. It also has a clamp on bench to convert it into a firewood cutter and I've spent many hours on it as a young feller cutting firewood. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Friday, 14 December 2007 7:32 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute artist. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > That's it Arnie, Ozzies have no balls! :-) > Nomex on. > Curt > > Arnie Fero wrote: >> Hi Curt, >> >> That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? >> It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya >> reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: >> >> >>>> PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! >>>> >>>> >>> Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Thu Dec 13 15:04:07 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:04:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <009001c83ddc$76c8a6e0$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> I bet that's a wooden railroad tie. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker Edd, What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep up pretty well with the down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new to me and isn't something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute artist. EDD PAYNE This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 13 15:04:31 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:04:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> I think you blokes say railroad ties.!!!Its the bit of wood that goes between the rails to hold them apart or together depending how you look at it. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > Edd, > > What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep up pretty well with the > down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new to me and isn't > something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > > HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. > There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in > this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was > from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article > about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. > Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and > still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a > bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture > using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute > artist. > > EDD PAYNE > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 13 16:12:47 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:12:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George: I think they call railroad ties "sleepers" over there. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 04:47 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > > > Edd, > > What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep > up pretty well with the > down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new > to me and isn't > something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. > > George From rsrolfne at atnet.net Thu Dec 13 15:16:04 2007 From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:16:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <4761BD34.9000807@atnet.net> George and List - Check out http://www.ibhistory.com/dialect1.htm for translation. About half way down. Regards, Bob R Central WA USA Best, George wrote: > Edd, > > What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep up pretty well with the > down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new to me and isn't > something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > > HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. > There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in > this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was > from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article > about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. > Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and > still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a > bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture > using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute > artist. > > EDD PAYNE > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Thu Dec 13 16:06:08 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:06:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <002401c83de5$25953640$70bfa2c0$@net.au> There is a guy down the road from me that has a similar saw that has a Ford Prefect 4 cyl motor on it. It was made in Ipswich QLD. Apparently there were a few around the area. They were used primarily for cutting wood. It is a mean beast of a thing. Problem is, they don't want to part with it. And it is sitting in a paddock. Maybe someday?? Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Friday, 14 December 2007 8:32 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute artist. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > That's it Arnie, Ozzies have no balls! :-) > Nomex on. > Curt > > Arnie Fero wrote: >> Hi Curt, >> >> That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? >> It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya >> reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: >> >> >>>> PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! >>>> >>>> >>> Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 13 16:14:57 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:14:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker References: Message-ID: <009901c83de6$5f2bfd70$0dc20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > George: > I think they call railroad ties "sleepers" over there. > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep >> up pretty well with the >> down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new >> to me and isn't >> something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. >> George Its a railway Sleeper in England as well. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 13 16:25:15 2007 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:25:15 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4761CD6B.1070900@optusnet.com.au> > Arnie Fero wrote: >> PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! === They are to be seen operating in practically every rally in Australia. Jack Watson === From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Dec 13 16:59:52 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:59:52 EST Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: In a message dated 12/12/2007 9:38:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes: The bracket that holds the hand brake and tooth lock as seen complete in mine Kerry, Thanks, I should have known it was for the hand brake. Neither of mine have that feature on them. Fine looking engine you have there mate! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Dec 13 17:02:02 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:02:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker References: Message-ID: <00be01c83dec$f04e0400$2ed24c0c@D48VHZ61> I've got a David Bradley version. It runs but I'm not stupid enough to use it. I think I remember seeing one of these made by Mall as well. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker > Lawn edger anyone?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 > > Whew!!! > Rickinmt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 13 17:55:49 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:55:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Telephone test equipment Message-ID: <001e01c83df4$7366f160$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Guys Off Topic bit guys but there is a wealth if info here. Are there any EX Telco Techs out there that have a Aegis CZ1000 Cable Pair Identification Set or similar tester that they want to sell. There is a damaged one on Ebay below here. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Aegis-CZ1000-Cable-Pair-Identification-Set-Faulty_W0QQitemZ120197020068QQihZ002QQcategoryZ1504QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I want a tester that looks at the NULL between pairs and preferably an ex PMG / telecom / telstra tool. Those in the game will know, those that don't can go play engines ;-) Email me at the address plowe at exemail.com.au rather than fill the LIST with crap. If you don't know how to do this, please leave this request alone ;-)) Peter, Oz From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 18:22:38 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:22:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <00be01c83dec$f04e0400$2ed24c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <823935.4870.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And Ottawa. I have what's left of one. It is plenty to start with. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan John Hall wrote: I've got a David Bradley version. It runs but I'm not stupid enough to use it. I think I remember seeing one of these made by Mall as well. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker > Lawn edger anyone?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 > > Whew!!! > Rickinmt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From kimmell at verizon.net Thu Dec 13 20:11:29 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:11:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> At 12:05 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >It seems dangerous at first , but >you'd have to be >really wasted to get wrapped up in it . Never underestimate the power of stupidity... -Tony From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Dec 13 23:12:01 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:12:01 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <4761BD34.9000807@atnet.net> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <4761BD34.9000807@atnet.net> Message-ID: <030701c83e20$9fedb350$8335c53e@doc> That goes for British English too, mostly. We Brits don't use "barrack" a lot any more - barracks are somewhere that soldiers live. We are still fond of candy floss too. I have never heard of a Christmas beetle, rhough. Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Bob W7AVK > Sent: 13 December 2007 23:16 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > > George and List - Check out http://www.ibhistory.com/dialect1.htm for > translation. About half way down. > > Regards, > > Bob R > Central WA USA > > Best, George wrote: > > Edd, > > > > What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep up pretty > well with the > > down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new to me and isn't > > something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. > > > > George > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf > Of Edd Payne > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:32 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > > > > HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got > it wrong. > > There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in > regular use in > > this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was > > from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there > was an article > > about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. > > Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use > nothing else and > > still do.They regularly come up for sale at local > auctions.I watched a > > bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing > wood sculpture > > using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute > > artist. > > > > EDD PAYNE > > > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the > use of the addressee and may contain information that is > privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is > not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. > If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and > any attachments from your system. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 13 23:28:22 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:28:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker-Christmas beetle References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><4761BD34.9000807@atnet.net> <030701c83e20$9fedb350$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <002701c83e22$e8c5dab0$0601a8c0@altech> Here is the Christmas Beetle http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Oceania/Australia/photo69627.htm Peter, Oz > That goes for British English too, mostly. We Brits don't use "barrack" a > lot any more - barracks are somewhere that soldiers live. We are still > fond of candy floss too. I have never heard of a Christmas beetle, > rhough. > > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> Bob W7AVK >> Sent: 13 December 2007 23:16 >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker >> >> George and List - Check out http://www.ibhistory.com/dialect1.htm for >> translation. About half way down. >> >> Regards, >> >> Bob R >> Central WA USA >> >> Best, George wrote: >> > Edd, >> > >> > What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep up pretty >> well with the >> > down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new to me and isn't >> > something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. >> > >> > George >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf >> Of Edd Payne >> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:32 PM >> > To: The SEL email discussion list >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker >> > >> > HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got >> it wrong. >> > There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in >> regular use in >> > this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was >> > from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there >> was an article >> > about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. >> > Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use >> nothing else and >> > still do.They regularly come up for sale at local >> auctions.I watched a >> > bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing >> wood sculpture >> > using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute >> > artist. >> > >> > EDD PAYNE >> > >> > >> > This message and any attachments are intended only for the >> use of the addressee and may contain information that is >> privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is >> not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of >> the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. >> If you have received this communication in error, please >> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and >> any attachments from your system. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 14 05:59:45 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:59:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com><004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > At 12:05 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >>It seems dangerous at first , but >>you'd have to be >>really wasted to get wrapped up in it . > > > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity... > > -Tony That was sort of directed at Rick , and he aint stupid But....speaking of , did I mention the half hour battle with a pair of magnetic towing lights I had the good fortune to witness recently ? He was down to hacking and taping , trying to get the turn-sigs to stop blinking on the wrong sides . I even got a minor ass chewing for selling junk . Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life . 59 degrees and falling Chuck From kimmell at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 08:00:24 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:00:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Wow nothing surprises me anymore. I once sold an old car to a younger kid (I'm only 25, so I guess that makes him a REALLY young kid). He drove away and 20 minutes later he was back in my driveway bitching that the transmission was slipping and his engine was revving real bad. He was also demanding his money back. I took a ride with him down the road. When he got it up to 30-35 the engine WAS revving up real high. So I reached over and moved the gearshift from 1 up into D where it should be. Kid didn't have much to say on the ride back to my house... -Tony At 07:59 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote: >did I mention the half hour battle with a pair of >magnetic >towing lights I had the good fortune to witness recently ? He was down to >hacking >and taping , trying to get the turn-sigs to stop blinking on the wrong sides >. I even got a minor >ass chewing for selling junk . Drunk and stupid is no way to go through >life . > >59 degrees and falling >Chuck From kimmell at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 08:02:51 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:02:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker-Christmas beetle In-Reply-To: <002701c83e22$e8c5dab0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <4761BD34.9000807@atnet.net> <030701c83e20$9fedb350$8335c53e@doc> <002701c83e22$e8c5dab0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <0JT100CH3R5B4135@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Looks just about as ugly as our "June bugs". Probably just about as ANNOYING as a June bug, too! It is fun to hear one of them make it into the bug zapper though. Them suckers roast for a long time... -Tony At 01:28 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote: >Here is the Christmas Beetle >http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Oceania/Australia/photo69627.htm > >Peter, Oz From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 14 09:40:42 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:40:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Christmas beetle (OT) In-Reply-To: <002701c83e22$e8c5dab0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><4761BD34.9000807@atnet.net> <030701c83e20$9fedb350$8335c53e@doc> <002701c83e22$e8c5dab0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: And I'll bet it looks just as impressive as a June bug when it splatters on your faceshield when you're riding your bike at 60mph! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > Here is the Christmas Beetle > http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Oceania/Australia/photo69627.htm From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 14 09:09:46 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:09:46 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT The English way of using Ebay Message-ID: <003c01c83e74$21d9cef0$0dc20b52@intrepid> Passed on from the UK engine group. see http://tinyurl.com/29tser Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 14 09:13:40 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:13:40 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: OT The English way of using Ebay Message-ID: <004001c83e74$ad68e3c0$0dc20b52@intrepid> Sorry, I misread it. It is an American talking like he is English! PS read the Q & A as well. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "Oldengine.org" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: OT The English way of using Ebay > Passed on from the UK engine group. > see http://tinyurl.com/29tser > > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 14 10:39:02 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:39:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker / No balls ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 14/12/2007, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:22:15 -0500 (EST) >From: Arnie Fero >Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker >Hi Curt, >That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? >It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya >reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) >See ya, Arnie Arnie, You'd never say the Aussies had no balls if you'd played rugby against them :-). But of course you guys in the States only play that "sissy" game with all the padding . Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: 14/12/2007 11:29 AM From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 14 12:30:22 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:30:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker / No balls ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <43D606C7-428E-42B9-A516-9F754DCFE2DB@alltel.net> Hi Jerry, What is a "rugby?" Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Arnie, > You'd never say the Aussies had no balls if you'd played > rugby > against them :-). > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans From craigb2 at aol.com Fri Dec 14 12:26:10 2007 From: craigb2 at aol.com (Craig Buzzell) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:26:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Monarch Stationary engine Message-ID: Hello list; I have just acquired a 1 3/4 hp Monarch. Not sure of the model number yet. It has the older style Webster mag/ ignitor that sits quite aways out the side and is hit & miss . There is a brass fuel primer on the ignitor mount bracket and the oiler sits very near the end of the cylinder. I would guess it was made by Nelson Brothers. Any info as to history, build date and running characteristics would be appreciated. Thanks; Craig Buzzell Goleta CA From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 14 12:33:26 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:33:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker / No balls ?? References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <43D606C7-428E-42B9-A516-9F754DCFE2DB@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001c01c83e90$9462e120$0601a8c0@altech> Here Dave http://www.rugby.com.au/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_union http://www.rfu.com/index.htm Peter, Oz > Hi Jerry, What is a "rugby?" > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > >> >> Arnie, >> You'd never say the Aussies had no balls if you'd played >> rugby >> against them :-). >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 14 13:32:21 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:32:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker / No balls ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Jerry Evans wrote: > You'd never say the Aussies had no balls if you'd played rugby > against them :-). > But of course you guys in the States only play that "sissy" game > with all the padding . Not only do our "girls" play in pads, they require oxygen as well. Nothing says "athlete" quite as dramatically as a bloke who just ran 40 yards or so, having to leave the game and sit on the sidelines for a while sucking down pure oxygen. Contrast that with your average soccer player (footballer to yunz guys) who runs up and down the pitch for the entire game. Now having said that, I will take issue with the "sissy" bit. The pads DO permit far more near-lethal hits than what soccer or rugby players deal with. And as my final word, I'll give the field to the rugby players. Ya gotta admire those guys; they need to wear protective headgear to keep the opponent from chewing their ears off in the scrum! THAT'S a TOUGH game!! 8-))) See ya, Arnie From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 14 12:59:33 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:59:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker / No balls ?? References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001f01c83e94$3af84450$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > But of course you guys in the States only play that "sissy" game > with all the padding . Moto-X ? From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 13:10:19 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:10:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines and which engines do they have? I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? Bernard. I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of many other French engines in the U.S. Here's a link to my Epson photo album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 14 14:30:34 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:30:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, SWEEEEEETTTTTTTT!!!!!!! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Best, George wrote: > In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Dec 14 13:51:56 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:51:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> The governor is interesting. I gather it works by not allowing the intake valve to open? My Australian made Bartram governs in a similar way although the Ceres looks to be slightly more complicated and elegant. Both are unusual. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/bartamcarb3.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Saturday, 15 December 2007 8:10 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines and which engines do they have? I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? Bernard. I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of many other French engines in the U.S. Here's a link to my Epson photo album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Fri Dec 14 13:48:42 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:48:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000d01c83e9b$18352c10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Hi George, this is a nice addition to your collection!!! A few years back I was offered this French engine: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page108.html I still don't know if J.Renee is an engine maker or a jobber? Denis Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines and which engines do they have? From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 13:58:56 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:58:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> I thought you were going to tell us a frog hopped out. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. replace nomore with net to send mail jd.kirkes at verizon.nomore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines and which engines do they have? I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? Bernard. I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of many other French engines in the U.S. Here's a link to my Epson photo album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 George From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 14:01:01 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:01:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630B49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Patrick, You're right about it controlling the intake valve. The Bartram looks pretty interesting too. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:52 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! The governor is interesting. I gather it works by not allowing the intake valve to open? My Australian made Bartram governs in a similar way although the Ceres looks to be slightly more complicated and elegant. Both are unusual. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/bartamcarb3.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From paul at internalfire.com Fri Dec 14 13:59:30 2007 From: paul at internalfire.com (Paul Evans) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:59:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Pelapone Message-ID: <4762FCC2.70103@internalfire.com> Just over a year ago we used a donation from the SEL to buy a 1925 PELAPONE six cylinder petrol engine for the museum. She had a number of show stopping problems but over the last year these have been solved and we have now finally started work on her. The crank is back in the crankcase, camshaft is fitted and the rods are on. She is getting a coat of primer today on the bottom half and we hope to have all the barrels and pistons on by the end of the weekend. Only bits missing now are a Delco-Remy distributor cap and a coil. Anybody know of a stockist of 1920s Delco parts in the US? Link to the engine pictures at http://tinyurl.com/298ps5 We hope to have her fitted on a trailer for the 2008 season and will display her with a plaque explaining how the SEL purchased her for preservation. Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Dec 14 14:17:37 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:17:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <200712142217.lBEMHhcK068603@mail-gw.fsr.net> Congratulations, George! That's a good one! Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:10 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines and which engines do they have? I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? Bernard. I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of many other French engines in the U.S. Here's a link to my Epson photo album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 George From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Dec 14 14:18:40 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:18:40 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> George good to see your engines restored they look great must have taken a while but they look fantastic. brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM KIRKES" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! > I thought you were going to tell us a frog hopped out. > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > replace nomore with net to send mail > jd.kirkes at verizon.nomore > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:10 PM > Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! > > > Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! > > In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. > This is a vertical French engine with an interesting > hit&miss governor. > > This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my > collection. > > Just wondering how many other members of this list have > French engines > and which engines do they have? > > I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and > a 5hp? > Bernard. > > I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't > really know of > many other French engines in the U.S. > > Here's a link to my Epson photo album: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 > > George > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 14 15:13:08 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:13:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Was: Latest engine Now: Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: G'day Patrick, This is what I LOVE about this hobby. Just when you think "you've seen it all" in terms of how folks will accomplish the basics of designing an engine's mechanics, up pop a bunch of "You ain't seen nothin' yet" examples!! It might be fun if folks who have engines with really wierd mechanical features would post descriptions and links to pics. One good example along those lines is that chain link fuel delivery system on Tommy Turner's Hagen engines. VERY wierd!! ISTR that engine actually had a number of very wierd features. I wonder if we could arrive at a consensus as to which engine had the greatest number of really wierd mechanical features? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > The governor is interesting. I gather it works by not allowing the intake > valve to open? My Australian made Bartram governs in a similar way although > the Ceres looks to be slightly more complicated and elegant. Both are > unusual. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/bartamcarb3.JPG > > -----Original Message----- > > In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. > This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 14 14:20:41 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:20:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "With the new eBay bidders list policy, whenever the bid gets over $50 or$75, you can't see who's bidding anyway. They would list "Forbes" as"F****s". I'm surprised that they still offer the Private Listing option. There'snot much point in it." Hell, there's not much point in eBay anymore. I refuse to play in a sandbox that so openly encourages shill bidding. Sure, it makes more bucks for eBay - maybe - short term..Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ i?m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Fri Dec 14 14:30:21 2007 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:30:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000901c83ea0$ea34afb0$1402a8c0@Waynexp> Greetings George, Congratulations on getting your toy home finally. Did there happen to be any flathead Ford parts in the crate? Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:10 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines and which engines do they have? I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? Bernard. I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of many other French engines in the U.S. Here's a link to my Epson photo album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 14:39:38 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:39:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: References: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Arnie, That is what I love about going to Europe to visit collectors and going to shows over there. I think the Europeans came up with some really interesting governor systems and other mechanical oddities. I have a video DVD I've been working on since the tour that Harry Terpstra and I led the end of May and first part of June. The video really shows a lot of interesting governors in action. George -----Original Message----- This is what I LOVE about this hobby. Just when you think "you've seen it all" in terms of how folks will accomplish the basics of designing an engine's mechanics, up pop a bunch of "You ain't seen nothin' yet" examples!! It might be fun if folks who have engines with really wierd mechanical features would post descriptions and links to pics. One good example along those lines is that chain link fuel delivery system on Tommy Turner's Hagen engines. VERY wierd!! ISTR that engine actually had a number of very wierd features. I wonder if we could arrive at a consensus as to which engine had the greatest number of really wierd mechanical features? See ya, Arnie This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 14:44:52 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:44:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C81@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Whoa!!!! If you're talking about the Ceres pictures on my Epson album, those are pictures of two different engines. The red unrestored engine is mine. The nicely restored gray one is owned by the Juffer's family in Holland. I'm planning on leaving the red paint on my engine as it is original. It is also makes the engine a bit different in that most of those engines were gray. The assumption was my engine was sold with some piece of machinery that was red and so the engine ordered with red paint by the machinery company. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of brent Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:19 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! George good to see your engines restored they look great must have taken a while but they look fantastic. brentnz This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 14:49:56 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:49:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <000901c83ea0$ea34afb0$1402a8c0@Waynexp> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <000901c83ea0$ea34afb0$1402a8c0@Waynexp> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Wayne, Yes, there was! Unfortunately the flathead V8 is missing 6 cylinders and there are so many cutout pieces from the remaining part of the engine that it will never run again! ;-) But then I guess if you buy a cut-away display engine that's what you get :-) Les is supposed to come up and get his goodies from the shipment and will pick up Buzz's cut-away V8 as well. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:30 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! Greetings George, Congratulations on getting your toy home finally. Did there happen to be any flathead Ford parts in the crate? Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 14 15:53:20 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:53:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, Yeah, I heard about that trip!! And speaking of "governors in action", will that trip DVD include that governess that you and Harry ran into in Amsterdam? 8->>> See ya, Arnie On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Best, George wrote: > I have a video DVD I've been working on since the tour that Harry > Terpstra and I led the end of May and first part of June. The video > really shows a lot of interesting governors in action. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Dec 14 15:02:34 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:02:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <010601c83ea5$6d99a190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thanks for the pics George. A nice engine. Enjoy it. I like that govenor setup. I have saved the pic for future reference. I will use that on a model one of these days! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! > Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! > > In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. > This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. > > This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. > > Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines > and which engines do they have? > > I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? > Bernard. > > I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of > many other French engines in the U.S. > > Here's a link to my Epson photo album: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 15:12:01 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:12:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <010601c83ea5$6d99a190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010601c83ea5$6d99a190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630D31@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Reg, You can only see part of the governor setup in those pictures. I'll load more pictures later, but can also send you better photos and a .mpg video of it working. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 3:03 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! Thanks for the pics George. A nice engine. Enjoy it. I like that govenor setup. I have saved the pic for future reference. I will use that on a model one of these days! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! > Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! > > In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. > This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. > > This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. > > Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines > and which engines do they have? > > I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? > Bernard. > > I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of > many other French engines in the U.S. > > Here's a link to my Epson photo album: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 15:15:54 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:15:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: References: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630D44@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Although the tour did include a visit to the red light district, we just window shopped ;-) They also frown on picture taking of any of the ladies in the district. Didn't need to have my camera tossed into a canal ;-) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 3:53 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics Hi George, Yeah, I heard about that trip!! And speaking of "governors in action", will that trip DVD include that governess that you and Harry ran into in Amsterdam? 8->>> See ya, Arnie On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Best, George wrote: > I have a video DVD I've been working on since the tour that Harry > Terpstra and I led the end of May and first part of June. The video > really shows a lot of interesting governors in action. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Dec 14 15:37:26 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:37:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Was: Latest engine Now: Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071214233710.NFZW3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Arnie, There are some weird designs out there. I have a number of odd engines but my Bartram is one that is interesting. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/bartrtamt1.JPG It governs by NOT opening the intake valve when missing by pulling part of the tappet out from under the valve. It is a vertical engine with a drip oiler for the cylinder, oil reservoirs for the mains and splash lubrication for the big end. The magneto is a flick Dixie and it is operated off the same eccentric than drives the water pump. The flywheels are very heavy and are held onto to the tapered crankshaft by big locknuts on the end of the crank. With the heavy flywheels it runs like a clock and very slow. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- G'day Patrick, This is what I LOVE about this hobby. Just when you think "you've seen it all" in terms of how folks will accomplish the basics of designing an engine's mechanics, up pop a bunch of "You ain't seen nothin' yet" examples!! It might be fun if folks who have engines with really wierd mechanical features would post descriptions and links to pics. One good example along those lines is that chain link fuel delivery system on Tommy Turner's Hagen engines. VERY wierd!! ISTR that engine actually had a number of very wierd features. I wonder if we could arrive at a consensus as to which engine had the greatest number of really wierd mechanical features? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > The governor is interesting. I gather it works by not allowing the intake > valve to open? My Australian made Bartram governs in a similar way although > the Ceres looks to be slightly more complicated and elegant. Both are > unusual. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/bartamcarb3.JPG > > -----Original Message----- > > In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. > This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 14 17:16:27 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:16:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630D44@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630D44@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Gotcha. Nudge-nudge. Wink-wink. Like our former prexy who smoked dope but didn't inhale. 8-))) On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Best, George wrote: > Although the tour did include a visit to the red light district, we just > window shopped ;-) From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 14 16:41:48 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:41:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker / No balls ?? In-Reply-To: <001c01c83e90$9462e120$0601a8c0@altech> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <43D606C7-428E-42B9-A516-9F754DCFE2DB@alltel.net> <001c01c83e90$9462e120$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <8F1498B3-AF38-4150-9C9A-86C5919A838F@alltel.net> Hi Peter, Why would someone want to do (or watch) something like that? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 14, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Here Dave > > http://www.rugby.com.au/ > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_union > > http://www.rfu.com/index.htm > > Peter, Oz > > > > >> Hi Jerry, What is a "rugby?" >> Dave >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Arnie, >>> You'd never say the Aussies had no balls if you'd played >>> rugby >>> against them :-). >>> Keep the revs up (or down) >>> Jerry Evans >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 14 17:22:12 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:22:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SEL Pelapone References: <4762FCC2.70103@internalfire.com> Message-ID: <000f01c83eb8$eb8adcf0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Paul You are quite sure this engine is a "she", is that because of all the problems it has given you :-))) Down Helen, only kidding. Looking forward to the completion photos and smoke on the horizon. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Just over a year ago we used a donation from the SEL to buy a 1925 > PELAPONE six cylinder petrol engine for the museum. > > She had a number of show stopping problems but over the last year these > have been solved and we have now finally started work on her. > > The crank is back in the crankcase, camshaft is fitted and the rods are > on. She is getting a coat of primer today on the bottom half and we hope > to have all the barrels and pistons on by the end of the weekend. > > Only bits missing now are a Delco-Remy distributor cap and a coil. > Anybody know of a stockist of 1920s Delco parts in the US? > > Link to the engine pictures at http://tinyurl.com/298ps5 > > We hope to have her fitted on a trailer for the 2008 season and will > display her with a plaque explaining how the SEL purchased her for > preservation. > > Paul > > -- > > Internal Fire Museum of Power > > Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS > > http://www.internalfire.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at btes.tv Fri Dec 14 17:57:32 2007 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:57:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: > This is what I LOVE about this hobby. Just when you think "you've seen > it all" in terms of how folks will accomplish the basics of designing > an > engine's mechanics, up pop a bunch of "You ain't seen nothin' yet" > examples!! I thought you were speaking of mechanics, as in people who work on engines. I've seen a bunch of "You ain't seen nothin' yet" examples of those, too! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Dec 14 14:40:52 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:40:52 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> How young was this kid sounds like he was just off his ride on obviouly had never been told there are manual gearboxs. I hope you told him where the brakes were as well..its a bit of a worry.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses > Wow nothing surprises me anymore. I once sold an old car to a > younger kid (I'm only 25, so I guess that makes him a REALLY young > kid). He drove away and 20 minutes later he was back in my driveway > bitching that the transmission was slipping and his engine was > revving real bad. He was also demanding his money back. I took a > ride with him down the road. When he got it up to 30-35 the engine > WAS revving up real high. So I reached over and moved the gearshift > from 1 up into D where it should be. > > Kid didn't have much to say on the ride back to my house... > > -Tony > > > At 07:59 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote: > >did I mention the half hour battle with a pair of > >magnetic > >towing lights I had the good fortune to witness recently ? He was down to > >hacking > >and taping , trying to get the turn-sigs to stop blinking on the wrong sides > >. I even got a minor > >ass chewing for selling junk . Drunk and stupid is no way to go through > >life . > > > >59 degrees and falling > >Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM > > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 14 19:24:37 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:24:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Pelapone In-Reply-To: <000f01c83eb8$eb8adcf0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <4762FCC2.70103@internalfire.com> <000f01c83eb8$eb8adcf0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <22B46067-A431-4BC2-A842-F31B4B055F33@alltel.net> Hi Peter, The DAMN things are ALL female! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 14, 2007, at 8:22 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Paul > You are quite sure this engine is a "she", is that because of all the > problems it has given you :-))) > Down Helen, only kidding. > Looking forward to the completion photos and smoke on the horizon. > > Regards > Peter Lowe From cwja at telus.net Fri Dec 14 21:09:18 2007 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:09:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Monarch Stationary engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4763617E.7020601@telus.net> I would really like to see a picture of your governor linkage of this engine if you can put it in an email or on some web page. Thanks, Jeff Craig Buzzell wrote: >Hello list; I have just acquired a 1 3/4 hp Monarch. Not sure of the >model number yet. It has the older style Webster mag/ ignitor that >sits quite aways out the side and is hit & miss . There is a brass >fuel primer on the ignitor mount bracket and the oiler sits very near >the end of the cylinder. I would guess it was made by Nelson Brothers. >Any info as to history, build date and running characteristics would >be appreciated. >Thanks; >Craig Buzzell >Goleta CA > > Jeff & Marja Allen at Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 14 23:03:42 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:03:42 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft In-Reply-To: References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: I don't remember how far the discussion went on the flywheel keys on Ron's Blackstone, so please forgive me if I'm being redundant. Today I was looking up something else in Machinery's Handbook and came across a section on the keys that Ron was discussing a couple months ago. It states that for shafts six inches diameter and above, double keys should be used. If the torque is intermittent or the power transmitted in both directions, then double keys should be used on shafts as small as four inches. The taper on these keys is he same as a single key, but it's tapered on the two sides that contact the hub. Also of interest are tangential keys, where two keys are stacked side- by-side. It's hard to describe, but you can see pictures if you look in the index under "keys." Rob From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sat Dec 15 00:05:56 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:05:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000c01c83ef1$53ba2e10$a6a5ecdc@Edd> Rob.This is the first time I have seen Tangential keys mentioned.I worked at the local flour mill for about 30 years and all the roller mills used and still do use these type of keys. once you are used to setting them properly they are real easy to remove and re assemble.You just hit the top key in and they loosen up and pull out by hand.Thetas the theory anyhow they can be real stubborn if assembled the wrong way around. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft >I don't remember how far the discussion went on the flywheel keys on > Ron's Blackstone, so please forgive me if I'm being redundant. > > Today I was looking up something else in Machinery's Handbook and came > across a section on the keys that Ron was discussing a couple months > ago. > > It states that for shafts six inches diameter and above, double keys > should be used. If the torque is intermittent or the power > transmitted in both directions, then double keys should be used on > shafts as small as four inches. The taper on these keys is he same as > a single key, but it's tapered on the two sides that contact the hub. > > Also of interest are tangential keys, where two keys are stacked side- > by-side. It's hard to describe, but you can see pictures if you look > in the index under "keys." > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Dec 15 03:06:43 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:06:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Monarch Stationary engine Message-ID: <121520071106.20028.4763B5430007628700004E3C219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Craig, If you could send me pic of your engine I am guessing it was actually made by Nelson Bros. I have a Little Jumbo 1 1/2hp model P that I bet is the same. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Craig Buzzell To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Monarch Stationary engine Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:39:34 +0000 > Hello list; I have just acquired a 1 3/4 hp Monarch. Not sure of the > model number yet. It has the older style Webster mag/ ignitor that > sits quite aways out the side and is hit & miss . There is a brass > fuel primer on the ignitor mount bracket and the oiler sits very near > the end of the cylinder. I would guess it was made by Nelson Brothers. > Any info as to history, build date and running characteristics would > be appreciated. > Thanks; > Craig Buzzell > Goleta CA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Dec 15 07:15:40 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:15:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie: I'm still working on an engine, although not too rare, can be called wierd. It's an Edwards horizontal hopper cooled 2 cylinder. Wierdnesses: - The flywheel is between the crank throws. - Both valves (for each cylinder) operate via one rocker arm. The arm moves from "neutral" to open the exhaust, then swings through "neutral" to open the intake valve. With such a system, there can never be any overlap. (I know that this system was used on pre-1910 Stoddard-Dayton cars and was soon abandoned). - Oilers (one per cylinder) oil the piston, wrist pin AND the big end bearing via a copper tube which ran between the little end and the big end bearing. - All but the very first engines use a gravity fed float chamber with separate lines going to a mixer for each cylinder. (Earliest engines used a suction system with check valve which was standard practice in that day.). This is a really complicated way to do a simple job. - There is no way to choke the engine to start it. With the rocker arm cover on, there is a space between the inlet end of the mixer bores and the holes in the cover (for priming). You can't just put a finger over the hole to suck up some gas. You hve to "Prime" it by squirting a little gasoline into the inlet ports. - The engine can be run on one cylinder or both depending on, according to the maker, how much power you need. This is accomplished by simply turning the fuel off to one cylinder and letting it be cranked by the other. Not very efficient. - Starting is accomplished by wrapping a leather strap around the pulley and hauling on it. The way the strap winds onto the pulley assured that you stand a really good chance of getting slapped in the face by the strap when it unwinds. - At the top of the stroke, the pistons stick out enough to expose half the width of the 1/4" rings. At least you don't have to worry about a top ridge! - There is a separate exhaust pipe and muffler for each cylinder and a complicated bit of casting in the head for the leads to the pipes. Why? - On the ignitor version of the Edwards engine, piston strike ignitors are used. I believe this method of tripping ignitors was abandoned long before the Edwards arrived on the scene. I'm sure that right after I post this, I'll think of one or more additional wierdnesses. Go to my webpage and click on the picture of the Edwards engine for the restoration narrative and photos. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 05:13 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Was: Latest engine Now: Wierd Mechanics From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 15 10:07:03 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:07:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft In-Reply-To: <000c01c83ef1$53ba2e10$a6a5ecdc@Edd> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <000c01c83ef1$53ba2e10$a6a5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <21EA8581-A864-4353-BDE5-1BB5D8287691@rustyiron.com> On Dec 15, 2007, at 12:05 AM, Edd Payne wrote: > Rob.This is the first time I have seen Tangential keys mentioned.I > worked at > the local flour mill for about 30 years and all the roller mills > used and > still do use these type of keys. once you are used to setting them > properly > they are real easy to remove and re assemble.You just hit the top > key in and > they loosen up and pull out by hand.Thetas the theory anyhow they > can be > real stubborn if assembled the wrong way around. Hi Edd, I don't think the book mentioned that there was a pattern, but looking at the picture, it's as you describe. We have a 6-20 roller mill, but I've not paid much attention to how the shafts are keyed. http://engines.rustyiron.com/stable/greatwesternrollermill.html Rob From kimmell at verizon.net Sat Dec 15 11:17:28 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:17:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <0JT300JC7UTMTHP5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> He was probably 17-18. Obviously he knew nothing about cars. Needless to say he DIDN'T get his money back. I told him even if the trannsmission WAS slipping he wouldn't have got his money back since I put a "tail light" warranty on all the cars I sell. When I can no longer see the tail lights, then the warranty has expired. -Tony At 04:40 PM 12/14/2007, you wrote: >How young was this kid sounds like he was just off his ride on obviouly had >never been told there are manual gearboxs. I hope you told him where the >brakes were as well..its a bit of a worry.. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony & Jackie" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:00 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses > > > > Wow nothing surprises me anymore. I once sold an old car to a > > younger kid (I'm only 25, so I guess that makes him a REALLY young > > kid). He drove away and 20 minutes later he was back in my driveway > > bitching that the transmission was slipping and his engine was > > revving real bad. He was also demanding his money back. I took a > > ride with him down the road. When he got it up to 30-35 the engine > > WAS revving up real high. So I reached over and moved the gearshift > > from 1 up into D where it should be. > > > > Kid didn't have much to say on the ride back to my house... > > > > -Tony > > > > > > At 07:59 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote: > > >did I mention the half hour battle with a pair of > > >magnetic > > >towing lights I had the good fortune to witness recently ? He was down >to > > >hacking > > >and taping , trying to get the turn-sigs to stop blinking on the wrong >sides > > >. I even got a minor > > >ass chewing for selling junk . Drunk and stupid is no way to go through > > >life . > > > > > >59 degrees and falling > > >Chuck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: >12/13/2007 9:15 AM > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sat Dec 15 13:00:35 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:00:35 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <000c01c83ef1$53ba2e10$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <21EA8581-A864-4353-BDE5-1BB5D8287691@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <002501c83f5d$8b78fe50$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Rob enjoyed looking at the engines on your site great pictures and good information didnt know alot about the roller mills but was covered well on your site the practical demo was awesome i was thinking you could make picklets or flapjacks with the flour or sell some organic flour as a fund raiser to buy other engines or cover costs.Members could submit recipes.brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 12:05 AM, Edd Payne wrote: > > > Rob.This is the first time I have seen Tangential keys mentioned.I > > worked at > > the local flour mill for about 30 years and all the roller mills > > used and > > still do use these type of keys. once you are used to setting them > > properly > > they are real easy to remove and re assemble.You just hit the top > > key in and > > they loosen up and pull out by hand.Thetas the theory anyhow they > > can be > > real stubborn if assembled the wrong way around. > > Hi Edd, > I don't think the book mentioned that there was a pattern, but looking > at the picture, it's as you describe. We have a 6-20 roller mill, but > I've not paid much attention to how the shafts are keyed. > http://engines.rustyiron.com/stable/greatwesternrollermill.html > > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1185 - Release Date: 12/15/2007 12:00 PM > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Dec 15 19:07:48 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:07:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <0JT300JC7UTMTHP5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <0JT300JC7UTMTHP5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20071216000752.2FB0322998D@md5.pennswoods.net> Tony never heard of that warranty before that is a good one. I like it 8-) R Fink PA At 01:17 PM 12/15/2007 -0600, you wrote: >He was probably 17-18. Obviously he knew nothing about >cars. Needless to say he DIDN'T get his money back. I told him even >if the trannsmission WAS slipping he wouldn't have got his money back >since I put a "tail light" warranty on all the cars I sell. When I >can no longer see the tail lights, then the warranty has expired. > >-Tony > > >At 04:40 PM 12/14/2007, you wrote: > >How young was this kid sounds like he was just off his ride on obviouly had > >never been told there are manual gearboxs. I hope you told him where the > >brakes were as well..its a bit of a worry.. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tony & Jackie" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:00 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses > > > > > > > Wow nothing surprises me anymore. I once sold an old car to a > > > younger kid (I'm only 25, so I guess that makes him a REALLY young > > > kid). He drove away and 20 minutes later he was back in my driveway > > > bitching that the transmission was slipping and his engine was > > > revving real bad. He was also demanding his money back. I took a > > > ride with him down the road. When he got it up to 30-35 the engine > > > WAS revving up real high. So I reached over and moved the gearshift > > > from 1 up into D where it should be. > > > > > > Kid didn't have much to say on the ride back to my house... > > > > > > -Tony > > > > > > > > > At 07:59 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote: > > > >did I mention the half hour battle with a pair of > > > >magnetic > > > >towing lights I had the good fortune to witness recently ? He was down > >to > > > >hacking > > > >and taping , trying to get the turn-sigs to stop blinking on the wrong > >sides > > > >. I even got a minor > > > >ass chewing for selling junk . Drunk and stupid is no way to go through > > > >life . > > > > > > > >59 degrees and falling > > > >Chuck > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: > >12/13/2007 9:15 AM > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: >12/14/2007 11:29 AM From craigb2 at aol.com Sat Dec 15 16:08:18 2007 From: craigb2 at aol.com (Craig Buzzell) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:08:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Webster type 1A Message-ID: <46ED67CD-4EB5-45F9-8A6D-AE05C01B2D3B@aol.com> Hello List; I am looking for info on the Type 1A Webster. I have one on my newly acquired Monarch Model N. It seems to be hot as I got a good pop on ether as the fuel is not hooked up yet. The cam & exhaust valve trip rod does not go all the way back by itself so as I pull it over the mag trip mechanism does not engage. Am I missing a return spring or is it an adjustment issue? My Economy's and Stover have a return spring on the shaft but this shaft is rectangular and does not seem compatible with a round coil spring. Thanks for your help; Craig Buzzell Goleta CA From falcon at telenet.net Sat Dec 15 17:58:20 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:58:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <20071216000752.2FB0322998D@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <0JT300JC7UTMTHP5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> <20071216000752.2FB0322998D@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <4764863C.1080702@telenet.net> How about the line lot warranty? Once you cross the line at the end of the lot it's your problem. -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept Richard Fink Sr wrote: > Tony never heard of that warranty before that is a good one. I like it 8-) > R Fink > PA > > > > At 01:17 PM 12/15/2007 -0600, you wrote: >> He was probably 17-18. Obviously he knew nothing about >> cars. Needless to say he DIDN'T get his money back. I told him even >> if the trannsmission WAS slipping he wouldn't have got his money back >> since I put a "tail light" warranty on all the cars I sell. When I >> can no longer see the tail lights, then the warranty has expired. >> >> -Tony >> From jbcast at charter.net Sat Dec 15 18:17:46 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:17:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins' home Message-ID: <20071215211746.8E3EY.262283.root@fepweb10> Had a little help from my friends, picked up the Desjardin today. The bore appears to be around seven inches, about an inch bigger than a dollar bill, weighs about 2200lbs. I oiled everything up, it turns well and would probably have compression looking at the cylinder, I'll have have to make some valves, they were missing. The parts to the flyball governor were there, have been broken off, will need some mending, it does turn and plunges freely. It had been converted to sparkplug long ago, will have to find an ignitor. I stopped at the Titan, owner wasn't home, got some pictures. Will get more when I return to pick it up J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-003S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-004S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-005S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-009S.jpg Titan http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-017S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-018S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-019S.jpg From jbcast at charter.net Sat Dec 15 18:21:37 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:21:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Link to Joe Kelly's Message-ID: <20071215212137.YNXG8.262369.root@fepweb10> I inadvertantly deleted the link to Joe Kelly's Desjardins, would like to see them again if someone would provide the link. Thanks, J.B. From glenn.karch at att.net Sat Dec 15 18:27:44 2007 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:27:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Webster type 1A Message-ID: <650504.41869.qm@web83722.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Craig, The later Hercules and Economy literature has info on the Webster 1A setup. It was not one of the best systems and was frequently replaced with other ignition systems alternatives. Glenn ----- Original Message ---- From: Craig Buzzell To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:08:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Webster type 1A Hello List; I am looking for info on the Type 1A Webster. I have one on my newly acquired Monarch Model N. It seems to be hot as I got a good pop on ether as the fuel is not hooked up yet. The cam & exhaust valve trip rod does not go all the way back by itself so as I pull it over the mag trip mechanism does not engage. Am I missing a return spring or is it an adjustment issue? My Economy's and Stover have a return spring on the shaft but this shaft is rectangular and does not seem compatible with a round coil spring. Thanks for your help; Craig Buzzell Goleta CA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 15 18:42:55 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:42:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins' home In-Reply-To: <20071215211746.8E3EY.262283.root@fepweb10> References: <20071215211746.8E3EY.262283.root@fepweb10> Message-ID: <476490AF.4080601@scrtc.com> JB, I don't remember what size you said the Titan was. 12 HP? Both look like nice toys to play with this winter. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY jbcast at charter.net wrote: >Had a little help from my friends, picked up the Desjardin today. The bore appears to be around seven inches, about an inch bigger than a dollar bill, weighs about 2200lbs. I oiled everything up, it turns well and would probably have compression looking at the cylinder, I'll have have to make some valves, they were missing. The parts to the flyball governor were there, have been broken off, will need some mending, it does turn and plunges freely. It had been converted to sparkplug long ago, will have to find an ignitor. I stopped at the Titan, owner wasn't home, got some pictures. Will get more when I return to pick it up >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA > >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-003S.jpg >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-004S.jpg >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-005S.jpg >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-009S.jpg >Titan >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-017S.jpg >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-018S.jpg >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-019S.jpg >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From jbcast at charter.net Sat Dec 15 18:51:40 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:51:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins' home In-Reply-To: <476490AF.4080601@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20071215215140.ZR739.263107.root@fepweb10> ---- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > JB, > I don't remember what size you said the Titan was. 12 HP? Both > look like nice toys to play with this winter. > Tommy, it's an 8hp, serial # in the 800's. I looked around, didn't see the fuel pomp. The water pump is there and the remainder of the cooling screen. J.B. From jbcast at charter.net Sat Dec 15 18:53:21 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:53:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins' home Message-ID: <20071215215321.4QM8D.263150.root@fepweb10> ---- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > JB, > I don't remember what size you said the Titan was. 12 HP? Both > look like nice toys to play with this winter. > Tommy, it's an 8hp, serial # in the 800's. I looked around, didn't see the fuel pomp. The water pump is there and the remainder of the cooling screen. J.B. From craigb2 at aol.com Sat Dec 15 18:56:46 2007 From: craigb2 at aol.com (Craig Buzzell) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:56:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Webster type 1A In-Reply-To: <650504.41869.qm@web83722.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <650504.41869.qm@web83722.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Glenn; Thanks for the info. Craig On Dec 15, 2007, at 6:27 PM, Glenn Karch wrote: > Craig, > > The later Hercules and Economy literature has info on the Webster 1A > setup. It was not one of the best systems and was frequently > replaced with other ignition systems alternatives. > > Glenn > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Craig Buzzell > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:08:18 PM > Subject: [SEL] Webster type 1A > > Hello List; I am looking for info on the Type 1A Webster. I have one > on my newly acquired Monarch Model N. It seems to be hot as I got a > good pop on ether as the fuel is not hooked up yet. The cam & exhaust > valve trip rod does not go all the way back by itself so as I pull it > over the mag trip mechanism does not engage. Am I missing a return > spring or is it an adjustment issue? > My Economy's and Stover have a return spring on the shaft but this > shaft is rectangular and does not seem compatible with a round coil > spring. > Thanks for your help; > Craig Buzzell > Goleta CA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 15 19:07:49 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:07:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft In-Reply-To: <002501c83f5d$8b78fe50$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <000c01c83ef1$53ba2e10$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <21EA8581-A864-4353-BDE5-1BB5D8287691@rustyiron.com> <002501c83f5d$8b78fe50$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: Hi Brent, Our club grinds corn and sells it to make a few bucks. When Kelley and I mill wheat, we keep enough of the proceeds to cover the cost of the grain, then the rest goes to the club. If you want a couple bonzer corn recipes, check these out: http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/cookies.html I personally guarantee the top-notch quality of the cookies and corn bread. That biscuit recipe is pretty good, but it's mainly a novelty for novice chefs. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:00 PM, brent wrote: > Rob enjoyed looking at the engines on your site great pictures and > good > information didnt know alot about the roller mills but was covered > well on > your site the practical demo was awesome i was thinking you could make > picklets or flapjacks with the flour or sell some organic flour as a > fund > raiser to buy other engines or cover costs.Members could submit > recipes.brentnz From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Sat Dec 15 19:32:02 2007 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:32:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <4764863C.1080702@telenet.net> References: <20071216000752.2FB0322998D@md5.pennswoods.net> <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <0JT300JC7UTMTHP5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> <20071216000752.2FB0322998D@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20071215222733.00bde228@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 08:58 PM 12/15/2007 -0500, you wrote: >How about the line lot warranty? > >Once you cross the line at the end of the lot it's your problem. >-- >Steve W. >Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police >VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept I always warranty everything I sell. Not to rust, bust or collect dust for the first 30 feet or 30 seconds, which ever happens first, after I hand over the keys. Never have had a problem. (-; - Steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at atis.net sewell at ohio.edu From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Dec 15 19:46:30 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:46:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Link to Joe Kelly's References: <20071215212137.YNXG8.262369.root@fepweb10> Message-ID: <003501c83f96$3e79e7c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> J.B., here is the link to Joe's Desjardins engines: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/desjardins/page201.html I DO NOT think your engine is a Desjardins. Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: jbcast at charter.net To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Link to Joe Kelly's I inadvertantly deleted the link to Joe Kelly's Desjardins, would like to see them again if someone would provide the link. Thanks, J.B. From jbcast at charter.net Sat Dec 15 20:23:17 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:23:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Link to Joe Kelly's In-Reply-To: <003501c83f96$3e79e7c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <20071215232317.0CNMU.265382.root@fepweb10> ---- Denis Rouleau wrote: > J.B., here is the link to Joe's Desjardins engines: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/desjardins/page201.html > I DO NOT think your engine is a Desjardins. > Denis Rouleau Thanks Dennis, you may be right, doesn't look like Joe's. That's what it was sold as, I'm not going to return it. I don't have my BYB here, it's on loan. Anyone have any idea's, 3 flyball governor, six headbolts, mixer mounted on front of the head? J.B. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 15 20:54:23 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:54:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins' home In-Reply-To: <20071215211746.8E3EY.262283.root@fepweb10> References: <20071215211746.8E3EY.262283.root@fepweb10> Message-ID: <1197780863.4764af7f928cc@webmail.city-net.com> Hey JB, I think you're gonna be happy as a clam with a couple of really neat winter projects!! See ya, Arnie Quoting jbcast at charter.net: > Had a little help from my friends, picked up the Desjardin today. The bore > appears to be around seven inches, about an inch bigger than a dollar bill, > weighs about 2200lbs. I oiled everything up, it turns well and would probably > have compression looking at the cylinder, I'll have have to make some valves, > they were missing. The parts to the flyball governor were there, have been > broken off, will need some mending, it does turn and plunges freely. It had > been converted to sparkplug long ago, will have to find an ignitor. I stopped > at the Titan, owner wasn't home, got some pictures. Will get more when I > return to pick it up From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun Dec 16 06:57:03 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:57:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <4764863C.1080702@telenet.net> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <0JT300JC7UTMTHP5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> <20071216000752.2FB0322998D@md5.pennswoods.net> <4764863C.1080702@telenet.net> Message-ID: <20071216115709.00C252299D2@md5.pennswoods.net> Another good one i need to remember At 08:58 PM 12/15/2007 -0500, you wrote: >How about the line lot warranty? > >Once you cross the line at the end of the lot it's your problem. >-- >Steve W. >Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police >VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept > >Richard Fink Sr wrote: > > Tony never heard of that warranty before that is a good one. I like it 8-) > > R Fink > > PA > > > > > > > > At 01:17 PM 12/15/2007 -0600, you wrote: > >> He was probably 17-18. Obviously he knew nothing about > >> cars. Needless to say he DIDN'T get his money back. I told him even > >> if the trannsmission WAS slipping he wouldn't have got his money back > >> since I put a "tail light" warranty on all the cars I sell. When I > >> can no longer see the tail lights, then the warranty has expired. > >> > >> -Tony > >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: >12/14/2007 11:29 AM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 16 05:52:42 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:52:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <20071216115709.00C252299D2@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <917680.77805.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, I remember back about 1984 selling a car to a guy I worked with, Howie. I put the car together from junk and had $4.32 spent on it. I drove the car for two years and found no problems. I sold it to him for a mere $400 and two weeks later he came to work in a different car and told me I sold him junk. The engine was busted. I had a couple more of those engines and I was just starting to think about replacing the engine for him when another guy came up to me and said not to. He told me he had a couple rides in that car and Howie had been ragging on it so hard he was surprised it lasted two weeks. He said Howie kept laughing as he showed him how he could peg the tach. with that engine. The car was a 1970 Opel with a 1900 cc engine and four speed tranny. I had put the 1972 Opel Manta Ralley tach. in it. Those engines red-lined at 7200 RPM and the needle pegged at just over 9000 RPM. The only way I ever pegged one of those tachs. was by slamming the tranny into 2nd gear at 100 MPH and popping the clutch. Fastest way I knew to take a 90 degree turn. 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Richard Fink Sr wrote: Another good one i need to remember At 08:58 PM 12/15/2007 -0500, you wrote: >How about the line lot warranty? > >Once you cross the line at the end of the lot it's your problem. >-- >Steve W. >Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police >VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept > >Richard Fink Sr wrote: > > Tony never heard of that warranty before that is a good one. I like it 8-) > > R Fink > > PA > > > > > > > > At 01:17 PM 12/15/2007 -0600, you wrote: > >> He was probably 17-18. Obviously he knew nothing about > >> cars. Needless to say he DIDN'T get his money back. I told him even > >> if the trannsmission WAS slipping he wouldn't have got his money back > >> since I put a "tail light" warranty on all the cars I sell. When I > >> can no longer see the tail lights, then the warranty has expired. > >> > >> -Tony > >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: >12/14/2007 11:29 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 11:51:07 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:51:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Missing Engine Manufacturers Message-ID: <6f6025160712161151v57e6e93bh3a2bfd7e1a778131@mail.gmail.com> Looking for some information the other day, I noticed (again) that there are a lot of makers of engines from the 1940's who didn't make it into the modern-day era. A lot of them were merged or absorbed into other companies, many went down after the war because they couldn't work in the new situation after the war, but a lot just seem to have vanished without trace. Buda, Buckeye, Harnischfeger (Might be European) Consolidated, Hallett, Wolverine, Enterprise, Lathrop, Sheppard, Lorain, Palmer, Washington Iron Works, US Motors, Venn-Severin, Union. These are a few from the 1949 Diesel Manufacturer's Catalog. What happened to them?? Lorain was the maker I was looking for, and found. Petr -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From elidas at aol.com Sun Dec 16 14:44:36 2007 From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:44:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <917680.77805.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA0E4C5EB93C74-6F4-807@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> > > > > At 01:17 PM 12/15/2007 -0600, you wrote: > >> He was probably 17-18. Obviously he knew nothing about > >> cars. Needless to say he DIDN'T get his money back. I told him even > >> if the trannsmission WAS slipping he wouldn't have got his money back > >> since I put a "tail light" warranty on all the cars I sell. When I > >> can no longer see the tail lights, then the warranty has expired. > >> > >> -Tony Sold an old Chevy to a youngster a while back. He came back a few minutes later screaming that he wanted his money back. The transmission is no good it doesn't shift right,stays in second! He never did believe me about Powerglides._______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From toadhill at aeroinc.net Mon Dec 17 07:23:41 2007 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe Maurer) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:23:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Warranties Message-ID: <001201c840c0$cf543540$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> Fellows, The rain and dust warranty applies to almost anything including cars and gas engines. "Charge it to the dust and let the rain settle it". Many years ago I bought a 1938 Plymouth (a rare truck in the U.S.) pickup truck that broke the driveshaft before it got out of the car lot. The dealer's warranty was that it would clear the lot. He fixed the truck. Joe From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 08:22:10 2007 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:22:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Warranties In-Reply-To: <001201c840c0$cf543540$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <288659.89029.qm@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A 38 Plymouth, Wow, quite a stulish piece of iron. A buddy bought a '47 Studebaker last fall, so ugly that it is cute. Must have belonged to some hippies at one point, big flowers painted on the door. If it could only tell the stories it has seen....... Many of you folks who have made the pilgrimage to Baraboo have driven by Jim Delaney's surplus joint, across highway 12 from the defunct Badger Army Ammunition Plant. The standard warranty there is that "if you break it, both halves are still yours, two for the price of one!". Jim ran a store selling groceries and the like to the folks who lived in the Badger Staff Village during the Korean operation. At that point in time it was illegal to sell condoms, they being labeled as an obscene item by our puritanical ancestors. Jim saw a niche and sought to fill it, and being a gentleman as well as a businessman told everyone that it they found it to be defective, to return it and he would give them a refund! He also offered to staple instructions to the package for those who might need them..... Joe Prindle Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 17 19:18:06 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:18:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32622363&f= It is a 1 cylinder diesel engine. Sort of resembles the vertical Witte and Stover diesels with the box shape. Is somewhat modern as it has an electric starter, but appears that it can be hand cranked as well. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 05:46:33 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:46:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32622363&f= > > > It is a 1 cylinder diesel engine. > > Sort of resembles the vertical Witte and Stover diesels with the box > shape. > > Is somewhat modern as it has an electric starter, but appears that it > can be hand cranked as well. Is there any ID on the gearbox cover plate? Are there any details from the injector and pump? Looks sort of Scandinavian, but they preferred hot-bulbs to full diesels. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Tue Dec 18 06:16:04 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:16:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> References: <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a><010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A240F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Peter, The transmission is a Capitol, but they made marine transmissions that were used with various engines. I'll load a couple more pictures, including the trans cover. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:47 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] What engine is this?? On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32622363&f= > > > It is a 1 cylinder diesel engine. > > Sort of resembles the vertical Witte and Stover diesels with the box > shape. > > Is somewhat modern as it has an electric starter, but appears that it > can be hand cranked as well. Is there any ID on the gearbox cover plate? Are there any details from the injector and pump? Looks sort of Scandinavian, but they preferred hot-bulbs to full diesels. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Dec 18 06:49:34 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:49:34 -0000 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> References: <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a><010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> I must admit, it made me think of Volvo Penta - especially with that DynaStart-style starter. Must be quite an old one though, if it is Volvo Penta - pre-70s at a guess. Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: 18 December 2007 13:47 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] What engine is this?? > > On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32622363&f= > > > > > > It is a 1 cylinder diesel engine. > > > > Sort of resembles the vertical Witte and Stover diesels with the box > > shape. > > > > Is somewhat modern as it has an electric starter, but > appears that it > > can be hand cranked as well. > > Is there any ID on the gearbox cover plate? > > Are there any details from the injector and pump? > > Looks sort of Scandinavian, but they preferred hot-bulbs to > full diesels. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 07:43:39 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:43:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A240F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A240F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712180743q3e4ff608j3a283bbb37ef321@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > Peter, > > The transmission is a Capitol, but they made marine transmissions that > were used with various engines. > > I'll load a couple more pictures, including the trans cover. > > George > They have been around since the 1900's, Canadian group owns them, contact details: http://www.capitolgear.com/CapitolContactUs.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Tue Dec 18 07:49:18 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:49:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> References: <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a><010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A253B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Anyone on this list near Jacksonville Florida? The pictures I posted show the engine which was taken out of a storage unit in Florida and the person cleaning out the unit doesn't want to scrap it if it is of value to someone. Email me off list if you're interested. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 07:40:58 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:40:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> References: <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <6f6025160712180740u640b2808gdd475e00378992a6@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2007, Peter Scales wrote: > I must admit, it made me think of Volvo Penta - especially with that > DynaStart-style starter. Must be quite an old one though, if it is Volvo > Penta - pre-70s at a guess. > > > Pete I wouldn't say it was as young as that, the style of the injector top is 1950's and that starter is a regular inertia starter, possibly a 6V one at that. The dynamo is what you might be thinking of as the starter? and that isn't in the shots, it is cradle mounted on the side of the block, the drive belt is laying loose. I'd say 1950's or early 1960's. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 19 03:03:05 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:03:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> So, today I decided to edge the grass in the drive. (The edger is an'older' model with a 125cc Victa 2 stroke motor and a cutter blade that would scare hell out of any safety officer!) MISTAKE!!! 8.30 am. Half way through this minor chore, the cutter blade passed me at high speed! "Gosh" ( or another 4 letter word,) escaped my lips! Well! would you believe it. A broken crankshaft!! To make a loong saga short, two trips to a mower shop and hours of rebuilding, damage to the wallet contents, a bit of missing skin, etc.etc. saw the drive job completed at 5.30 pm. I wonder what joys tomorrow holds! Well, at least it was an engine story!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 19 03:47:56 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:47:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001701c84234$ff30cce0$726f4b47@mikecomp> You were lucky. Ever thought of a string trimmer? MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "oldengine list" ; "List SEL" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 6:03 AM Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! > So, today I decided to edge the grass in the drive. > (The edger is an'older' model with a 125cc Victa 2 stroke motor and a > cutter blade that would scare hell out of any safety officer!) > MISTAKE!!! > 8.30 am. Half way through this minor chore, the cutter blade passed me at > high speed! "Gosh" ( or another 4 letter word,) escaped my lips! > Well! would you believe it. A broken crankshaft!! > To make a loong saga short, two trips to a mower shop and hours of > rebuilding, damage to the wallet contents, a bit of missing skin, etc.etc. > saw the drive job completed at 5.30 pm. > I wonder what joys tomorrow holds! > > > Well, at least it was an engine story!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Wed Dec 19 04:28:26 2007 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:28:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Early Christmas present In-Reply-To: <003101c83f35$cacedbb0$b11887d8@VALUED9133F4FA> References: <002601c83df2$7e2c6dc0$643fa041@AlComputer><003601c83e61$29dcdfb0$e41887d8@VALUED9133F4FA><00a401c83ebb$ef62b890$97d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <4763CB10.4060809@verizon.net> <003101c83f35$cacedbb0$b11887d8@VALUED9133F4FA> Message-ID: <47690E6A.1060109@atis.net> I figured you folks deserved a present this year - so look under the tree: http://www.atis.net/forums PS: Been busy with life and the project resulting in the link above - charity auction to start soon! Spencer Yost From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 05:03:00 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:03:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Souix Valve Seat Refacer Message-ID: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> Just dug out the valve seat reacing kit that we acquired when our friends went to the USA a few years ago, and found that it was a lot more comprehensive that we had thought. There is a nice jig for refacing the cutter stones and the motor for the tool is 220V, not 110V as we would have expected. Does anyone know if the stones are still available anywhere? They all have a threaded steel centre that fits the main tool shaft, and there are a good selection of valve guide pilots in the kit that keep the cutter centred while in use. Manufacturer is Albertson & Co., now part of Snap-On, but they don't seem to know much about the product, even thopugh they have owned the company since 1993. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From yostsw at atis.net Wed Dec 19 05:17:02 2007 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:17:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Early Christmas present In-Reply-To: <004f01c8423f$deb780c0$210110ac@one> References: <004f01c8423f$deb780c0$210110ac@one> Message-ID: <476919CE.1070103@atis.net> It won't replace the email lists - that technology is simply too convenient for many people when compared to a bulletin board. But nothing beats the immediacy of a bulletin board, plus you can have pictures, attachments, etc that are safe for everyone and don't create a throughput and storage nightmare for me. Plus, it will allow me to upgrade the classifieds to a system that will allow pictures. The bulletin board allows you to "subscribe" to individual forums and receive email form that particular forum. Yo won't have to go on line to post to the forum, but you can use email to read and not miss anything. Got to run to work... Spencer From JR504 at aol.com Wed Dec 19 06:37:02 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:37:02 EST Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!, good ending. Message-ID: Many year ago a buddy of mine was mowing the lawn with a push mower. It began to shake violently, but only for a moment. The mower blade broke in half and the loose part went flying. His 3 or 4 year old son was outside at the time and was instantly knocked off his feet. John (my buddy) was thinking the worst as he ran over to him, but found that the blade had hit the ground just in front of where the kid was standing. It dug a divot out of the lawn as it passed under his feet, and came back out of the ground just passed him. He found the blade lodged in the door of his Chevy a few feet away. I'd still be having nightmares had I witnessed it. Joe "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" Henry Ford **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 19 08:11:30 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:11:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: > I wonder what joys tomorrow holds! One never knows, but it might behoove you to wear your safety glasses. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 19 08:12:21 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:12:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <001701c84234$ff30cce0$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001701c84234$ff30cce0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:47 AM, Mike Royster wrote: > You were lucky. Ever thought of a string trimmer? Once again, Mike, you're talking nonsense. Ignore him, Reg, and get yourself a gardener. Rob From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Dec 19 08:15:50 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:15:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!, good ending. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071219111419.033eb390@pop3.wcoil.com> Their Guardian Angel was protecting them that day. Merry Christmas, Mark At 09:37 AM 12/19/07, you wrote: >Many year ago a buddy of mine was mowing the lawn with a push mower. It >began to shake violently, but only for a moment. The mower blade >broke in half >and the loose part went flying. His 3 or 4 year old son was outside at the >time and was instantly knocked off his feet. John (my buddy) was >thinking the >worst as he ran over to him, but found that the blade had hit the ground >just in front of where the kid was standing. It dug a divot out of the >lawn as >it passed under his feet, and came back out of the ground just passed him. >He found the blade lodged in the door of his Chevy a few feet away. I'd >still >be having nightmares had I witnessed it. >Joe > >"You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" >Henry Ford Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 19 08:32:52 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:32:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: >> I wonder what joys tomorrow holds! > > One never knows, but it might behoove you to wear your safety glasses. AND a CUP! From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Dec 19 09:19:30 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:19:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071219.121930.916.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Reg, Sorry to hear about the broke crankshaft. Lucky no one got hurt. Reminds me of the time I was working on a Husqvarna 250cc Dirt Bike and the magneto/flywheel decided to go faster than the bike. Off the bike - up onto the sidewalk - along the sidewalk to hit a bump and flew up over a house !!! After hours of looking, never did find it. = = = = = = Anyway - Hi to the list - - - and a question - I have a Jacobsen 21" Lawn Green Power Reel Mower. I got the 2 cycle engine to running comdition but there was a "cable" recoil starter rope. I've tried nylon cord but nothing the right diameter seemd strong enough. I am thinking of using garage door cable. Question - - - Has anyone had much success with installing the little steel balls on the end of 3/32" to 1/8" cable? I've tried soldering but the solder wont stick to the cable. I guess the cable is stainless. Any Ideas ?? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 10:05:32 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:05:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Souix Valve Seat Refacer In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712191005w4f6fc18al710f0ec73c21986d@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > Just dug out the valve seat reacing kit that we acquired when our > friends went to the USA a few years ago, and found that it was a lot > more comprehensive that we had thought. > Had this list of possible sources from Sioux Tools Tech Support: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Lacey Williams (L & L Service Co) Ph. 908-387-0087 Fax 908-387-0187 Bark's Equipment ---------------- Ph. 800-545-0545 Fax 573-335-7712 JL Woodward Co ---------------- Ph. 800-433-1870 Fax 503-657-0144 Goodson Automotive -------------- Ph. 800-533-8010 Fax 507-452-2907 Hopper Equipment ---------------- Ph. 909-946-6800 Fax 909-946-0600 Regis Manufacturing ------------- Ph. 214-421-5171 Fax 214-565-1704 Uni-Select USA ------------------ Ph. 651-633-8111 Fax 651-633-0533 Engine Parts Whse --------------- Ph. 502-937-7258 Fax 502-931-9259 Engine Rebuilders Whse ---------- Ph. 954-792-9800 Fax 954-792-1757 Other Possible Sources Stultz Mach Tls & Equip --------- Ph. 540-981-9359 Fax 540-981-1901 Ron Owens ----------------------- Ph. 405-670-6211 Fax 405-670-4003 Kwik-way ------------------------ Ph. 800-533-5953 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thought it might be of interest to anyone else with the kit. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Dec 19 11:07:13 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:07:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <200712191907.lBJJ7PH6080246@mail-gw.fsr.net> Reg, that close call was too close for comfort! I'm glad some part of your body didn't get in the flight path of that cutter blade! Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:03 AM To: oldengine list; List SEL Subject: Life happens!! Snip Half way through this minor chore, the cutter blade passed me at high speed! Snip Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed Dec 19 11:58:26 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:58:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <20071219.121930.916.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20071219.121930.916.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <476977E2.8030001@xplornet.com> Hello Joe, Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks like lead solder) will work if the cable is stainless. Brass will work if the cable is steel and may work on the stainless too. It depends on the stainless alloy if brass will work. The other way to do it is the way the factory did. Machine a ball to specs and then swedge it on to the cable. Rupert Ps. I'll look up the silver solder specs if you need them. jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > I have a Jacobsen 21" Lawn Green Power Reel Mower. > I got the 2 cycle engine to running comdition but there was a "cable" > recoil starter rope. I've tried nylon cord but nothing the right > diameter > seemd strong enough. > > I am thinking of using garage door cable. > > Question - - - Has anyone had much success with installing the little > steel balls on the end of 3/32" to 1/8" cable? > > I've tried soldering but the solder wont stick to the cable. > I guess the cable is stainless. > > Any Ideas ?? > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 19 12:18:08 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:18:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><001701c84234$ff30cce0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <00cf01c8427c$f74ff710$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> We dont have Mexicanz here!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:47 AM, Mike Royster wrote: > >> You were lucky. Ever thought of a string trimmer? > > > Once again, Mike, you're talking nonsense. Ignore him, Reg, and get > yourself a gardener. > > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 12:32:04 2007 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:32:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001701c84234$ff30cce0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: Ahh he's just talking big, Everyone knows that Marg does all the heavy work around there. How else do you think he can crank out several hundred model engines a year!!! Steve, the good cloistered oyster brother. > From: rskinner at rustyiron.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:12:21 -0800> Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!!> > On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:47 AM, Mike Royster wrote:> > > You were lucky. Ever thought of a string trimmer?> > > Once again, Mike, you're talking nonsense. Ignore him, Reg, and get > yourself a gardener.> > Rob> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 19 13:24:14 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:24:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <012301c84285$889fb270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> He's NOT taking one of my good cups outside!!!! I'll make him coffee when he's done the job. Marg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > On Dec 19, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > >>> I wonder what joys tomorrow holds! >> >> One never knows, but it might behoove you to wear your safety glasses. > > AND a CUP! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Dec 19 13:24:47 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:24:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071219.132447.1996.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Want some? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:18:08 +1100 "R & M Ingold" writes: > We dont have Mexicanz here!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 13:38:52 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:38:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <012301c84285$889fb270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <012301c84285$889fb270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160712191338j3f041c7asa93949b83bd8f8f2@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > He's NOT taking one of my good cups outside!!!! I'll make him coffee when > he's done the job. Marg Wonder if Rob meant a box.... :-)) Petr -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 19 14:08:20 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:08:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <00cf01c8427c$f74ff710$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><001701c84234$ff30cce0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <00cf01c8427c$f74ff710$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <74382DC2-E697-43CA-B257-126E1AF3725B@alltel.net> Five me your snail address Reg, and I will send you a few! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:18 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > We dont have Mexicanz here!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 3:12 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > > >> On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:47 AM, Mike Royster wrote: >> >>> You were lucky. Ever thought of a string trimmer? >> >> >> Once again, Mike, you're talking nonsense. Ignore him, Reg, and get >> yourself a gardener. >> >> Rob From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 19 14:19:38 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:19:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <20071219.132447.1996.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <023f01c8428d$441814f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Naaah! We have Abbos!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:24 AM Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! > Want some? > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:18:08 +1100 "R & M Ingold" > writes: >> We dont have Mexicanz here!! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From eallandar at rohrerbus.com Wed Dec 19 14:30:32 2007 From: eallandar at rohrerbus.com (Ed Allandar) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:30:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Souix Valve Seat Refacer In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003e01c8428e$c46ac520$edb5fea9@Rohrer.lcl> Try www.goodson.com I get all my stones & supplies from them. Great people to deal with and prices always seem to be very competitive. Ed Allandar -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:03 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine Subject: [SEL] Souix Valve Seat Refacer Just dug out the valve seat reacing kit that we acquired when our friends went to the USA a few years ago, and found that it was a lot more comprehensive that we had thought. There is a nice jig for refacing the cutter stones and the motor for the tool is 220V, not 110V as we would have expected. Does anyone know if the stones are still available anywhere? They all have a threaded steel centre that fits the main tool shaft, and there are a good selection of valve guide pilots in the kit that keep the cutter centred while in use. Manufacturer is Albertson & Co., now part of Snap-On, but they don't seem to know much about the product, even thopugh they have owned the company since 1993. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Wed Dec 19 14:30:32 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:30:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Souix Valve Seat Refacer In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47699B88.10808@telenet.net> http://www.kwik-way.com/products/Engine/sioux.htm http://iss-sales-service.com/sioux/index.html I have one myself along with a bench mount valve grinder. If you use it a LOT you may need new stones in 4-5 years.... -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept Listerdiesel wrote: > Just dug out the valve seat reacing kit that we acquired when our > friends went to the USA a few years ago, and found that it was a lot > more comprehensive that we had thought. > > There is a nice jig for refacing the cutter stones and the motor for > the tool is 220V, not 110V as we would have expected. > > Does anyone know if the stones are still available anywhere? They all > have a threaded steel centre that fits the main tool shaft, and there > are a good selection of valve guide pilots in the kit that keep the > cutter centred while in use. > > Manufacturer is Albertson & Co., now part of Snap-On, but they don't > seem to know much about the product, even thopugh they have owned the > company since 1993. > > Peter From johnculp at btes.tv Wed Dec 19 19:38:51 2007 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:38:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2007, at 6:03 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: > To make a loong saga short, two trips to a mower shop and hours of > rebuilding, damage to the wallet contents, a bit of missing skin, > etc.etc. I'm glad you're not missing your skin bit, Reg! (You're not, are you?) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us Thu Dec 20 10:52:09 2007 From: badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us (badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:52:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <536637.96363.qm@web82014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <536637.96363.qm@web82014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I just posted a chain saw that at the moment qualifies as a stationary engine. Brice From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Dec 20 12:51:35 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:51:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071220.155140.264.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hello Joe, Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks like lead solder) will work if the cable is stainless. = = = = = = Thanks Rupert, I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. I'll need to do more experimenting. I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. I didn't think cable would be necessary but, after pulling a couple times with fuel, the compression really climbs in that little 2 cycle. Thanks for your reply. From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Dec 20 13:33:00 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:33:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071221082748.021f61c0@ncable.com.au> Hey look all you guys, Not really wanting to be the first from the list to start this off but! we wish all the very best in seasons greetings. I wish everyone (even Dave) a very merry christmas and a safe one if you are travelling. I'm sure to veiw the list over the next comming days but we have a few big days ahead of grogging on. A couple of familay days and then away a couple of days. So all be good and enjoy the festive season, regards Carmel and Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From bethell at internode.on.net Thu Dec 20 13:59:17 2007 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:59:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071221082748.021f61c0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <002701c84353$90fdae30$0201010a@JIM> Russell, All the best mate, may even see you in Horsham!!! Jimbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:33 AM Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho > Hey look all you guys, Not really wanting to be the first from the > list to start this off but! we wish all the very best in seasons > greetings. I wish everyone (even Dave) a very merry christmas and a > safe one if you are travelling. I'm sure to veiw the list over the > next comming days but we have a few big days ahead of grogging on. A > couple of familay days and then away a couple of days. > > So all be good and enjoy the festive season, > regards Carmel and Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 14:14:17 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:14:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A253B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A253B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712201414g35bb6bc1i625d126784d9431b@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > Anyone on this list near Jacksonville Florida? > > The pictures I posted show the engine which was taken out of a storage > unit in Florida and the person cleaning out the unit doesn't want to > scrap it if it is of value to someone. > > Email me off list if you're interested. > > George > George: Look at: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43523 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 14:18:25 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:18:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712201414g35bb6bc1i625d126784d9431b@mail.gmail.com> References: <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A253B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712201414g35bb6bc1i625d126784d9431b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712201418j28ff1486y95e5ca86f2837ce7@mail.gmail.com> On 20/12/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > George: > > Look at: > > http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43523 > > Peter Ignore that, I see that you're on the case in another part of the forum :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 20 14:39:53 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:39:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712201414g35bb6bc1i625d126784d9431b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a><010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com><03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A253B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712201414g35bb6bc1i625d126784d9431b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590572ED80@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Same engine and the posting is by the person who contacted me originally. Looks like he's found the Smokstak website. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] What engine is this?? On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > Anyone on this list near Jacksonville Florida? > > The pictures I posted show the engine which was taken out of a storage > unit in Florida and the person cleaning out the unit doesn't want to > scrap it if it is of value to someone. > > Email me off list if you're interested. > > George > George: Look at: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43523 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 20 16:08:35 2007 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:08:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho In-Reply-To: <002701c84353$90fdae30$0201010a@JIM> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071221082748.021f61c0@ncable.com.au> <002701c84353$90fdae30$0201010a@JIM> Message-ID: Hi All, all the best for a merry x-mas and a happy new year,Dave ps Russ dont have too many beverages and i have pick up your sign today> From: bethell at internode.on.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:59:17 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho> > Russell,> All the best mate, may even see you in Horsham!!!> Jimbo> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russell Gilbert" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:33 AM> Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho> > > > Hey look all you guys, Not really wanting to be the first from the > > list to start this off but! we wish all the very best in seasons > > greetings. I wish everyone (even Dave) a very merry christmas and a > > safe one if you are travelling. I'm sure to veiw the list over the > > next comming days but we have a few big days ahead of grogging on. A > > couple of familay days and then away a couple of days.> > > > So all be good and enjoy the festive season,> > regards Carmel and Russell> > Russell Gilbert> > Sunny Sunraysia> > russell at ncable.com.au> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > > > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Thu Dec 20 17:01:50 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:31:50 +1030 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590572ED80@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000201c8436d$14c10730$96c9ae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> Send him here, http://www.oldmarineengine.com/ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, 21 December 2007 9:10 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] What engine is this?? Same engine and the posting is by the person who contacted me originally. Looks like he's found the Smokstak website. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] What engine is this?? On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > Anyone on this list near Jacksonville Florida? > From ddotto at cableone.net Thu Dec 20 18:52:35 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:52:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <20071220.155140.264.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000101c8437c$8abe6b80$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Hi Joe I just went through this with my vintage Lawn Boy Mower; they wanted $75.00 for a new engine brake cable; I don't think so. The sheath was ok so I ordered some bulk cable form McMaster Carr (it was an odd size not available in town) and made a new cable assembly using the old sheath. One end of the cable had a ball. What I did was turn up an aluminum sleeve in he lathe and squish it on with my buddy's Nicopress tool. I used it several more times this season and it worked great. Lowes has the Nicopres tool and sleeves if you have one near by. The sleeves you can buy are the double type for making a loop on the end of a cable. That is why I made a single sleeve to replace the ball. Good Luck Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:52 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > > Hello Joe, > Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks > like lead > solder) will work if the cable is stainless. > = = = = = = > Thanks Rupert, > I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. > > I'll need to do more experimenting. > > I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple > cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. > > I didn't think cable would be necessary but, after pulling a couple times > with fuel, the compression really climbs in that little 2 cycle. > > > Thanks for your reply. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 20 19:29:55 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:29:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <000101c8437c$8abe6b80$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Message-ID: <019501c84381$c201d000$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> The clutch cables on the Cushman motor scooters and other similar machines using cables had a small grommet on each end that was bored through big enough for the cable to fit through. The end where the cable came out was bored back in a taper or funnel shaped. All you had to do was push the cable through the grommet. When the cable protruded a ways, you would just fray out the cable and then fill it with plain solder which in turn, made the cable to large in dia. to go back through. That way, you ned not to heat the cable very hot thus preserving its temper and strength. This was all detailed in the maintainance literature, and the procedure would make a repair that would last a long time or 'till the cable wore out. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Otto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > Hi Joe > > I just went through this with my vintage Lawn Boy Mower; they wanted > $75.00 > for a new engine brake cable; I don't think so. > > The sheath was ok so I ordered some bulk cable form McMaster Carr (it was > an > odd size not available in town) and made a new cable assembly using the > old > sheath. > > One end of the cable had a ball. What I did was turn up an aluminum sleeve > in he lathe and squish it on with my buddy's Nicopress tool. > > I used it several more times this season and it worked great. Lowes has > the > Nicopres tool and sleeves if you have one near by. > > The sleeves you can buy are the double type for making a loop on the end > of > a cable. That is why I made a single sleeve to replace the ball. > > Good Luck > > Dave > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >> bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:52 PM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! >> >> Hello Joe, >> Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks >> like lead >> solder) will work if the cable is stainless. >> = = = = = = >> Thanks Rupert, >> I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. >> >> I'll need to do more experimenting. >> >> I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple >> cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. >> >> I didn't think cable would be necessary but, after pulling a couple times >> with fuel, the compression really climbs in that little 2 cycle. >> >> >> Thanks for your reply. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: > 12/19/2007 7:37 PM > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Dec 20 20:57:28 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:57:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071221082748.021f61c0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <002301c8438d$fd5e13f0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> I say to all, Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year, keep it safe, drink as much as you need, without under doing it. Cam and Edwina. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:33 AM Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho > Hey look all you guys, Not really wanting to be the first from the > list to start this off but! we wish all the very best in seasons > greetings. I wish everyone (even Dave) a very merry christmas and a > safe one if you are travelling. I'm sure to veiw the list over the > next comming days but we have a few big days ahead of grogging on. A > couple of familay days and then away a couple of days. > > So all be good and enjoy the festive season, > regards Carmel and Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Thu Dec 20 22:59:07 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:59:07 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <000101c8437c$8abe6b80$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Message-ID: <002801c8439e$fd105960$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> I just used some old cable out of another mower throttle cable couldnt buy parts for it anyway as to old hasnt mised a beat since i resoldered on the original block piece on to the new cable using a gas cooker worked fine soldering iron didnt get it hot enough. The mower had been sitting in a shed for 20 years the only thing wrong with it was the frayed cable kept jamming use it all the time now to cut the lawns and take me for rides..brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Otto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > Hi Joe > > I just went through this with my vintage Lawn Boy Mower; they wanted $75.00 > for a new engine brake cable; I don't think so. > > The sheath was ok so I ordered some bulk cable form McMaster Carr (it was an > odd size not available in town) and made a new cable assembly using the old > sheath. > > One end of the cable had a ball. What I did was turn up an aluminum sleeve > in he lathe and squish it on with my buddy's Nicopress tool. > > I used it several more times this season and it worked great. Lowes has the > Nicopres tool and sleeves if you have one near by. > > The sleeves you can buy are the double type for making a loop on the end of > a cable. That is why I made a single sleeve to replace the ball. > > Good Luck > > Dave > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:52 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > > > > Hello Joe, > > Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks > > like lead > > solder) will work if the cable is stainless. > > = = = = = = > > Thanks Rupert, > > I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. > > > > I'll need to do more experimenting. > > > > I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple > > cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. > > > > I didn't think cable would be necessary but, after pulling a couple times > > with fuel, the compression really climbs in that little 2 cycle. > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 12/20/2007 2:14 PM > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Dec 21 00:15:58 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:15:58 EST Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: Hi Skip, I appreciate hearing about this. I have some cable repair to do and this technique should work really well. I can even see leaving out the soldering and instead using something like JB Weld as the filler to keep the cable from passing back through the grommet. Thank you. Ron PS: I'll use the Dremel moto-tool to cut the cable to lenght. quick and easy. A little scrap brass should work for the grommets and after I have cut them to diameter and length, I can make up a jig I can hold them on the lathe chuck to first bore them using a tailstock chuck and drill bit, then tip them a little and use a boring bar to cut the internal taper. Material cost = next to nothing, Effectiveness = make whatever length I want. Playing with the tools = priceless!!! In a message dated 12/20/2007 10:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, skipcleveland at bellsouth.net writes: The clutch cables on the Cushman motor scooters and other similar machines using cables had a small grommet on each end that was bored through big enough for the cable to fit through. The end where the cable came out was bored back in a taper or funnel shaped. All you had to do was push the cable through the grommet. When the cable protruded a ways, you would just fray out the cable and then fill it with plain solder which in turn, made the cable to large in dia. to go back through. That way, you ned not to heat the cable very hot thus preserving its temper and strength. This was all detailed in the maintainance literature, and the procedure would make a repair that would last a long time or 'till the cable wore out. Skip **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 01:24:42 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:24:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160712210124o3b0f9314w601cf081bcc0c088@mail.gmail.com> > In a message dated 12/20/2007 10:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > skipcleveland at bellsouth.net writes: > > The clutch cables on the Cushman motor scooters and other similar machines > using cables had a small grommet on each end that was bored through big > enough for the cable to fit through. The end where the cable came out was > bored back in a taper or funnel shaped. All you had to do was push the cable > through the grommet. When the cable protruded a ways, you would just fray > out the cable and then fill it with plain solder which in turn, made the > cable to large in dia. to go back through. That way, you ned not to heat the > cable very hot thus preserving its temper and strength. This was all > detailed in the maintainance literature, and the procedure would make a > repair that would last a long time or 'till the cable wore out. > Skip > Most British motorcycles used that method for years, and generally it was a good method, but occasionally you'd find the solder joint failing, just as you needed it most when you were doing a panic braking manouevre! Didn't matter so much if you lost the clutch, but losing the front brake was a REAL problem. The old Ariel Red Hunter 350 I had did that to me. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Dec 21 02:33:40 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:33:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Back....OT Message-ID: <002501c843bc$f77aec40$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> I know some of you will be glad to hear that I am back! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Fri Dec 21 04:12:54 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:12:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071221082748.021f61c0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071221082748.021f61c0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Russell, have you got the Anglo running yet? Merry Christmas And a happy new year everyone. John> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:33:00 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho> > Hey look all you guys, Not really wanting to be the first from the > list to start this off but! we wish all the very best in seasons > greetings. I wish everyone (even Dave) a very merry christmas and a > safe one if you are travelling. I'm sure to veiw the list over the > next comming days but we have a few big days ahead of grogging on. A > couple of familay days and then away a couple of days.> > So all be good and enjoy the festive season,> regards Carmel and Russell> Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 21 06:04:47 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:04:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: Message-ID: <003301c843da$72f2b7a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> It takes some skill. I remember one thing, keep the solder or in this case, JB Weld all inside the cable or it will provide leverage for the grommet to pull the solder out. At least that's how I remember being told. It also doesn't want to be able to fall out either. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > > Hi Skip, > I appreciate hearing about this. I have some cable repair to do and this > technique should work really well. I can even see leaving out the > soldering and > instead using something like JB Weld as the filler to keep the cable from > passing back through the grommet. Thank you. > Ron > PS: I'll use the Dremel moto-tool to cut the cable to lenght. quick and > easy. > A little scrap brass should work for the grommets and after I have cut > them > to diameter and length, I can make up a jig I can hold them on the lathe > chuck > to first bore them using a tailstock chuck and drill bit, then tip them a > little and use a boring bar to cut the internal taper. Material cost = > next to > nothing, Effectiveness = make whatever length I want. Playing with the > tools > = priceless!!! > > In a message dated 12/20/2007 10:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > skipcleveland at bellsouth.net writes: > > The clutch cables on the Cushman motor scooters and other similar machines > using cables had a small grommet on each end that was bored through big > enough for the cable to fit through. The end where the cable came out was > bored back in a taper or funnel shaped. All you had to do was push the > cable > through the grommet. When the cable protruded a ways, you would just fray > out the cable and then fill it with plain solder which in turn, made the > cable to large in dia. to go back through. That way, you ned not to heat > the > cable very hot thus preserving its temper and strength. This was all > detailed in the maintainance literature, and the procedure would make a > repair that would last a long time or 'till the cable wore out. > Skip > > > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: > 12/19/2007 7:37 PM > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 21 06:16:34 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:16:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <6f6025160712210124o3b0f9314w601cf081bcc0c088@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801c843dc$17e29310$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Small world. We are organizing our 50th. High school reunion which remindes me that a good school chum and I rode to school every morning with each other, and he had a new Ariel Red Hunter and I had the lowley Cushman Eagle. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! >> In a message dated 12/20/2007 10:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> skipcleveland at bellsouth.net writes: >> >> The clutch cables on the Cushman motor scooters and other similar >> machines >> using cables had a small grommet on each end that was bored through big >> enough for the cable to fit through. The end where the cable came out >> was >> bored back in a taper or funnel shaped. All you had to do was push the >> cable >> through the grommet. When the cable protruded a ways, you would just fray >> out the cable and then fill it with plain solder which in turn, made the >> cable to large in dia. to go back through. That way, you ned not to heat >> the >> cable very hot thus preserving its temper and strength. This was all >> detailed in the maintainance literature, and the procedure would make a >> repair that would last a long time or 'till the cable wore out. >> Skip >> > > Most British motorcycles used that method for years, and generally it > was a good method, but occasionally you'd find the solder joint > failing, just as you needed it most when you were doing a panic > braking manouevre! Didn't matter so much if you lost the clutch, but > losing the front brake was a REAL problem. > > The old Ariel Red Hunter 350 I had did that to me. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: > 12/19/2007 7:37 PM > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 06:51:59 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:51:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <003801c843dc$17e29310$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <6f6025160712210124o3b0f9314w601cf081bcc0c088@mail.gmail.com> <003801c843dc$17e29310$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <6f6025160712210651m40e9ac9ek4c8087f05275f1f7@mail.gmail.com> On 21/12/2007, Skip Cleveland wrote: > Small world. We are organizing our 50th. High school reunion which remindes > me that a good school chum and I rode to school every morning with each > other, and he had a new Ariel Red Hunter and I had the lowley Cushman Eagle. > Skip > Lovely bike, 350cc, swinging arm frame and full-width hubs, loped along with no effort at all. TYE 248 was the registration number, never forget that! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 06:44:47 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:44:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071221.100806.872.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Skip, Sounds like workable solution. I have taken one ball off the old cable by cutting & drilling it out. I could drill the ball to make like a countersink insert & spread the cable and blob some solder on it. Thanks, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:29:55 -0500 "Skip Cleveland" writes: > The clutch cables on the Cushman motor scooters and other similar > machines > using cables had a small grommet on each end that was bored through > big > enough for the cable to fit through. The end where the cable came > out was > bored back in a taper or funnel shaped. All you had to do was push > the cable > through the grommet. When the cable protruded a ways, you would just > fray > out the cable and then fill it with plain solder which in turn, made > the > cable to large in dia. to go back through. That way, you ned not to > heat the > cable very hot thus preserving its temper and strength. This was all > > detailed in the maintainance literature, and the procedure would > make a > repair that would last a long time or 'till the cable wore out. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Otto" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > > > > Hi Joe > > > > I just went through this with my vintage Lawn Boy Mower; they > wanted > > $75.00 > > for a new engine brake cable; I don't think so. > > > > The sheath was ok so I ordered some bulk cable form McMaster Carr > (it was > > an > > odd size not available in town) and made a new cable assembly > using the > > old > > sheath. > > > > One end of the cable had a ball. What I did was turn up an > aluminum sleeve > > in he lathe and squish it on with my buddy's Nicopress tool. > > > > I used it several more times this season and it worked great. > Lowes has > > the > > Nicopres tool and sleeves if you have one near by. > > > > The sleeves you can buy are the double type for making a loop on > the end > > of > > a cable. That is why I made a single sleeve to replace the ball. > > > > Good Luck > > > > Dave > > > > Dave Otto > > Boise, Idaho > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > >> bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com > >> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:52 PM > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > >> > >> Hello Joe, > >> Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that > looks > >> like lead > >> solder) will work if the cable is stainless. > >> = = = = = = > >> Thanks Rupert, > >> I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. > >> > >> I'll need to do more experimenting. > >> > >> I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple > >> cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. > >> > >> I didn't think cable would be necessary but, after pulling a > couple times > >> with fuel, the compression really climbs in that little 2 > cycle. > >> > >> > >> Thanks for your reply. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: > > 12/19/2007 7:37 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 06:55:07 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:55:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071221.100806.872.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ron, Now - JB Weld sounds like an idea I haven't thought about but sounds like it should work. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." I can even see leaving out the soldering and instead using something like JB Weld as the filler to keep the cable from passing back through the grommet. Thank you. Ron From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 06:58:53 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:58:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Back....OT Message-ID: <20071221.100806.872.5.jlb94@juno.com> Good to have you back Pete. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:33:40 +0800 "peter ogborne" writes: > I know some of you will be glad to hear that I am back! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 06:40:56 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:40:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071221.100806.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave, Sounds like a workable idea for me. I have a Lowes fairly close and will look up those Nicopres Sleves. Thanks - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:52:35 -0700 "Dave Otto" writes: > Hi Joe > > I just went through this with my vintage Lawn Boy Mower; they wanted > $75.00 > for a new engine brake cable; I don't think so. > > The sheath was ok so I ordered some bulk cable form McMaster Carr > (it was an > odd size not available in town) and made a new cable assembly using > the old > sheath. > > One end of the cable had a ball. What I did was turn up an aluminum > sleeve > in he lathe and squish it on with my buddy's Nicopress tool. > > I used it several more times this season and it worked great. Lowes > has the > Nicopres tool and sleeves if you have one near by. > > The sleeves you can buy are the double type for making a loop on the > end of > a cable. That is why I made a single sleeve to replace the ball. > > Good Luck > > Dave > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:52 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > > > > Hello Joe, > > Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that > looks > > like lead > > solder) will work if the cable is stainless. > > = = = = = = > > Thanks Rupert, > > I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. > > > > I'll need to do more experimenting. > > > > I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple > > cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. > > > > I didn't think cable would be necessary but, after pulling a > couple times > > with fuel, the compression really climbs in that little 2 cycle. > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 06:51:53 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:51:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071221.100806.872.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Brent, This recoil cable is about 1/8" Dia. and very flexable. Another of my concerns is the flexability of the cable that I'll use. The original is only 24" long and the recoil spring is like a light weight coil spring except that it acts on a spinning action rather than a pushing action. I don't know if throttle cable would be strong enough but I have some old bicycle brake cable that might do the job. Thanks. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." I just used some old cable out of another mower throttle cable couldnt buy parts for it anyway as to old hasnt mised a beat since i resoldered on the original block piece on to the new cable using a gas cooker worked fine soldering iron didnt get it hot enough. The mower had been sitting in a shed for 20 years the only thing wrong with it was the frayed cable kept jamming use it all the time now to cut the lawns and take me for rides..brentnz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 06:58:12 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:58:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071221.100806.872.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Pete, Reminds me of the time my clutch cable broke on my '50 Harley. I had to ride home in city traffic trying to "time" the red lights. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." braking manouevre! Didn't matter so much if you lost the clutch, but losing the front brake was a REAL problem. The old Ariel Red Hunter 350 I had did that to me. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 21 07:15:56 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:15:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F199B47-0CEF-46E8-827A-B2F1DEF11431@rustyiron.com> On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:15 AM, maytagtwin at aol.com wrote: > > then tip them a > little and use a boring bar to cut the internal taper. That's quite insightful, Ron. I'll try to describe the shackle arrangement used on elevators for many years -- an application that must have 100% reliability. Perhaps it will help you in your design. The "socket" of the shackle is a taper, as you described. The big end is a more than twice the diameter of the wire rope. The wire rope is threaded through the shackle, then the individual lays of the cable unwound so they "fray" out in a cone shape. Each lay is then turned back in on itself, into the middle of the rope. This is called a "rosette." Each loop of the rosette must be exactly like all the others and the length appropriate to match the shackle. When all the lays are done, the rope is pulled back into the shackle. Being more than twice the diameter as it was originally, the rope will not pull through the shackle. At this point, the rope/shackle will hold a load, but it will need to remain in service for many years and measures must be taken to assure than nothing shifts from it's current configuration. While inverted, babbitt is poured into the shackle to lock the rope in place. The babbitt is just to hold it all together; it does not carry a load. Have a Merry Christmas, Rob From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 21 08:31:21 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:31:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <20071221.100806.872.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <008601c843ee$ec8ab590$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> I had put a truckster clutch on my Eagle which made me have a suicide clutch, no more automatic clutch. I put a hand clutch on and used some sort of HD K model cable, that worked. I had to then remove the foot boards and use some more HD parts and Bates foot pegs to facilitate a foot shift. I can now squeze blood from a stone with my left hand. Solid clutch lugged the engine but sounded beautiful, broke the crank. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > Hi Pete, > Reminds me of the time my clutch cable broke on my '50 Harley. > I had to ride home in city traffic trying to "time" the red lights. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." > > > > braking manouevre! Didn't matter so much if you lost the clutch, but > losing the front brake was a REAL problem. > > The old Ariel Red Hunter 350 I had did that to me. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: > 12/20/2007 2:14 PM > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 21 09:26:26 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:26:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <20071221.100806.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20071221.100806.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, McMaster-Carr carries a ton of cable and sells it by the foot. The multi-strand construction (7x9 for example) is really flexible. They have an excellent section on how to select cable based on what you need it to do. To terminate the end of the cable use a "stop sleeve." That's also one of the Nicopress compression sleeves. I use a lot of those at work. Great stuff! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Sounds like a workable idea for me. > I have a Lowes fairly close and will look up those Nicopres Sleves. From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 21 08:52:41 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:52:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <6f6025160712210124o3b0f9314w601cf081bcc0c088@mail.gmail.com><003801c843dc$17e29310$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <6f6025160712210651m40e9ac9ek4c8087f05275f1f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009a01c843f1$e70409c0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> All right, I am wrong, it was a huntmaster twinn. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > On 21/12/2007, Skip Cleveland wrote: >> Small world. We are organizing our 50th. High school reunion which >> remindes >> me that a good school chum and I rode to school every morning with each >> other, and he had a new Ariel Red Hunter and I had the lowley Cushman >> Eagle. >> Skip >> > > Lovely bike, 350cc, swinging arm frame and full-width hubs, loped > along with no effort at all. > > TYE 248 was the registration number, never forget that! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: > 12/20/2007 2:14 PM > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Dec 21 09:00:19 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:00:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: References: <20071221.100806.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <476BF123.6010805@imc-group.com> Arnie Fero wrote: > excellent section on how to select cable based on what you need it to > do. I use a lot of those at work. Great stuff! > Arnie, Great to hear you still have your mojo going, but if you are still tying up those Westinghouse hotties with steel cable dude, you need to lighten up a little. Surf this website for softer alternate materials. Glad to help :-) Curt From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 21 10:21:51 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:21:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <476BF123.6010805@imc-group.com> References: <20071221.100806.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> <476BF123.6010805@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hmmmmmm, _someone's_ been doing their Christmas-eve playtime homework. Missy should be pleased. 8->>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: > Great to hear you still have your mojo going, but if you are still tying > up those Westinghouse hotties with steel cable dude, you need to lighten > up a little. Surf this website for softer alternate materials. > > Glad to help :-) From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Dec 21 11:33:12 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:33:12 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <9F199B47-0CEF-46E8-827A-B2F1DEF11431@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <001b01c84408$53d90da0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Rob thanks for the info found that useful and interesting in a practical motorist mag i came across a similar article that mentioned fraying the end of the cable into a ball shape to fit inside the metal lug instead of babbit they used solder to hold it in place.brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:15 AM, maytagtwin at aol.com wrote: > > > > then tip them a > > little and use a boring bar to cut the internal taper. > > > That's quite insightful, Ron. I'll try to describe the shackle > arrangement used on elevators for many years -- an application that > must have 100% reliability. Perhaps it will help you in your design. > > The "socket" of the shackle is a taper, as you described. The big end > is a more than twice the diameter of the wire rope. The wire rope is > threaded through the shackle, then the individual lays of the cable > unwound so they "fray" out in a cone shape. Each lay is then turned > back in on itself, into the middle of the rope. This is called a > "rosette." > > Each loop of the rosette must be exactly like all the others and the > length appropriate to match the shackle. When all the lays are done, > the rope is pulled back into the shackle. Being more than twice the > diameter as it was originally, the rope will not pull through the > shackle. > > At this point, the rope/shackle will hold a load, but it will need to > remain in service for many years and measures must be taken to assure > than nothing shifts from it's current configuration. While inverted, > babbitt is poured into the shackle to lock the rope in place. The > babbitt is just to hold it all together; it does not carry a load. > > Have a Merry Christmas, > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 12/20/2007 2:14 PM > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 21 12:35:49 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:35:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221220727.00bb6790@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 21/12/2007, you wrote: >From: jlb94 at juno.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Hello Joe, > Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks >like lead >solder) will work if the cable is stainless. >= = = = = = >Thanks Rupert, >I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. >I'll need to do more experimenting. >I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple >cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. Hi Guys, Been away from the computer a bit lately so I've missed most of this thread but here's my "tuppence ha'penny" worth. My first means of transport was a 4th hand Lambretta scooter - most of the cables (in fact most of the scooter) were "stuffed". In those days I had no money (nothings changed), no tools and not much else. The only thing I did have was an overwhelming desire to visit my girlfriend (50 miles away) every weekend !! In a pinch the brass pin from an old electric "plug" (the bit with a screw in that grips the electric wire) makes a good (if temporary) cable end stop. It does not last very long if you are rough with the cable control but is also great for getting the final adjustment made. If I had the ability and tools in those days I would have put one on, adjusted it and then soldered it to the cable. As it turned out I could only cut it to size with a hacksaw and file it to a shape that fitted (did you know that you can use a hacksaw to file with? It's possible if you have enough of the above mentioned "overwhelming desire" :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 10:44:01 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:44:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071221.153252.920.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Skip. After that cable broke, I bought a "Mouse Trap" setup and put it on my 1950. That made the clutch real easy to engage. Plus I liked the way it looked. My 1984 is rather stiff. I know what you mean about squeezing blood from a stone. I don't know what they did but, the new ones are real easy to engage. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." I had put a truckster clutch on my Eagle which made me have a suicide clutch, no more automatic clutch. I put a hand clutch on and used some sort of HD K model cable, that worked. I had to then remove the foot boards and use some more HD parts and Bates foot pegs to facilitate a foot shift. I can now squeze blood from a stone with my left hand. Solid clutch lugged the engine but sounded beautiful, broke the crank. Skip From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 21 12:44:44 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:44:44 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221224211.00bb8070@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 21/12/2007, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:57:28 +1100 >From: "Cam grundy" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho > > >I say to all, Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year, keep it safe, drink as much >as you need, without under doing it. Cam and Edwina. Hi Cam, I appreciate your sentiments - you could almost be South African :-) Have a really good Christmas Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 21 12:49:15 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:49:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Back....OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221224546.00bb8250@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 21/12/2007, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:33:40 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: [SEL] Back....OT > >I know some of you will be glad to hear that I am back! >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au Hi Peter, Welcome back. There was some "cabin fever" up north about 3 weeks ago and your name never cropped up - I did wonder what had happened to you :-) Have a great Christmas. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 21 13:22:33 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:22:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221220727.00bb6790@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <004301c84417$9a8b34d0$118becdc@Edd> You lost me Jerry.What the heck could make you want to visit your girl friend that badly every weekend??? EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 7:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends > At 07:00 PM 21/12/2007, you wrote: >>From: jlb94 at juno.com >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Hello Joe, >> Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks >>like lead >>solder) will work if the cable is stainless. >>= = = = = = >>Thanks Rupert, >>I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. >>I'll need to do more experimenting. >>I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple >>cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. > > Hi Guys, > Been away from the computer a bit lately so I've missed most of > this thread but here's my "tuppence ha'penny" worth. > My first means of transport was a 4th hand Lambretta scooter - > most of the cables (in fact most of the scooter) were "stuffed". In those > days I had no money (nothings changed), no tools and not much else. The > only thing I did have was an overwhelming desire to visit my girlfriend > (50 > miles away) every weekend !! > In a pinch the brass pin from an old electric "plug" (the bit with > a screw in that grips the electric wire) makes a good (if temporary) cable > end stop. It does not last very long if you are rough with the cable > control but is also great for getting the final adjustment made. If I had > the ability and tools in those days I would have put one on, adjusted it > and then soldered it to the cable. As it turned out I could only cut it to > size with a hacksaw and file it to a shape that fitted (did you know that > you can use a hacksaw to file with? It's possible if you have enough of > the > above mentioned "overwhelming desire" :-) > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: > 20/12/2007 02:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 21 13:32:04 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:32:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221224211.00bb8070@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001001c84418$ee6e2980$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> May you never eat on an empty stomach ! Prost ! Chuck From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Dec 21 13:44:21 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:44:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends.....OT References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221220727.00bb6790@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <002b01c8441a$a9165270$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Hi Jerry ,I spent a few weeks in Tasmania,sorry i missed that '' Incident'',I'll try and find it on the archives.Wish I still had that Lambretta ,I had the open engine model,125cc .My latest is a 1923 Raleigh ,250 SV complete with Carbide lamp ,original. BTW my two sons who have just about been everywhere surfing are planing their next trip to SA.They have heard about your Great Whites ,we have them here too so they have bought the latest electronic repeller.Have a good Xmas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 4:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends > At 07:00 PM 21/12/2007, you wrote: >>From: jlb94 at juno.com >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Hello Joe, >> Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks >>like lead >>solder) will work if the cable is stainless. >>= = = = = = >>Thanks Rupert, >>I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. >>I'll need to do more experimenting. >>I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple >>cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. > > Hi Guys, > Been away from the computer a bit lately so I've missed most of > this thread but here's my "tuppence ha'penny" worth. > My first means of transport was a 4th hand Lambretta scooter - > most of the cables (in fact most of the scooter) were "stuffed". In those > days I had no money (nothings changed), no tools and not much else. The > only thing I did have was an overwhelming desire to visit my girlfriend > (50 > miles away) every weekend !! > In a pinch the brass pin from an old electric "plug" (the bit with > a screw in that grips the electric wire) makes a good (if temporary) cable > end stop. It does not last very long if you are rough with the cable > control but is also great for getting the final adjustment made. If I had > the ability and tools in those days I would have put one on, adjusted it > and then soldered it to the cable. As it turned out I could only cut it to > size with a hacksaw and file it to a shape that fitted (did you know that > you can use a hacksaw to file with? It's possible if you have enough of > the > above mentioned "overwhelming desire" :-) > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: > 20/12/2007 02:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Dec 21 13:45:07 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:45:07 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Back....OT References: <20071221.100806.872.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003101c8441a$c49e0d30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Pip and have a good Xmas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Back....OT > Good to have you back Pete. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." > > On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:33:40 +0800 "peter ogborne" > writes: >> I know some of you will be glad to hear that I am back! >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 21 15:50:49 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:50:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <20071221.153252.920.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20071221.153252.920.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <107E2F8A-AE6B-4DF3-BA1F-C35672365FF8@alltel.net> > My 1984 is rather stiff. I know what you mean about squeezing blood > from > a stone. > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hey Joe, This is a FAMILY oriented list. Please keep that in mind in the future! Dave From falcon at telenet.net Fri Dec 21 16:04:53 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:04:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Company with GREAT customer service. Message-ID: <476C54A5.4040003@telenet.net> For anyone who is looking for farm or related items I heartily recommend Farmtek. They carry a lot of things for use on the farm, including just about any style and size of Clearspan storage building you can think up. I had a problem with one of the zippers on my sheds door (namely I wasn't paying attention and snagged it, which tore it apart) I decided to call and see what the price was on a replacement end panel. The young lady (Megan) I spoke with not only took the order but said that she could give me a 15% discount on the price and would call back if there was a problem because she didn't know if they needed to make one or if they had one on hand. I said fine figuring I wouldn't talk to her again. This was on the 19th around 12:30. At about 5:00 Megan called back and told me that they had one and that it was being shipped at the time. I looked at the tracking info and saw that it was picked up at 5:00 by UPS. Now knowing about how UPS sometimes is I figured I might see it by the new year. Got another surprise when it showed up this morning at 10:00. Less than 3 days from time of order to delivery! So I looked at the delivery option on the tag. It was sent UPS Second Day delivery. Oh and the delivery charge--- FREE. Not many companies I deal with jump out in the customer service area. But these folks have always been well above norm. -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Dec 21 16:10:38 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:10:38 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Back....OT References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221224546.00bb8250@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <004101c8442f$1518aef0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter always good to hear from you hows your bike projects going brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Back....OT > At 07:00 PM 21/12/2007, you wrote: > >Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:33:40 +0800 > >From: "peter ogborne" > >Subject: [SEL] Back....OT > > > >I know some of you will be glad to hear that I am back! > >Peter Ogborne > >Little Grove ,Albany > >West Australia > >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > Hi Peter, > Welcome back. There was some "cabin fever" up north about 3 weeks > ago and your name never cropped up - I did wonder what had happened to you :-) > Have a great Christmas. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 12/21/2007 1:17 PM > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 22 11:10:28 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:10:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 45, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071222210858.00bb8ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 22/12/2007, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:22:33 +1100 >From: "Edd Payne" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >You lost me Jerry.What the heck could make you want to visit your girl >friend that badly every weekend??? >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia Hi Edd, She had a great looking sister :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 22 11:19:12 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:19:12 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 45, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071222224600.SM00956@Laptop.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 22/12/2007, you wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:44:21 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends.....OT > >Hi Jerry ,I spent a few weeks in Tasmania, > >BTW my two sons who have just about been everywhere surfing are planing >their next trip to SA.They have heard about your Great Whites ,we have them >here too so they have bought the latest electronic repeller.Have a good Xmas Hi Peter, Not so much about the Great Whites - someone will think you're being rascist!! But seriously, they're the only whites who still rule around here - even if it's only around the beaches :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Dec 23 00:53:45 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:53:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071223105334.00bbfa70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Any news on the Charity Auction yet? Wishing you all a Happy Christmas, and may the New Year bring you lots more nice rusty old things. Jerry Evans in South Africa -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Dec 23 01:07:18 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:07:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas Message-ID: <20071223090725.OSLO26453.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I have been offline for a week or so, but I am back again :) I would just like to wish everyone in the engine community, here on the web, a very Merry Christmas. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From alanwh at iinet.net.au Sun Dec 23 02:17:03 2007 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan ) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:17:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <20071223090725.OSLO26453.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6eq1ke$4ccmeb@outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out4.iinet.net.au> Merry Christmas I have been offline for a week or so, but I am back again :) I would just like to wish everyone in the engine community, here on the web, a very Merry Christmas. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html A very merry Christmas to all from Ruth and Alan Wheaton Wagga Wagga From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 23 02:32:36 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:32:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas References: <6eq1ke$4ccmeb@outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out4.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <000e01c8454f$22fba830$0601a8c0@altech> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan " To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas > > Merry Christmas > > I have been offline for a week or so, but I am back again :) > > I would just like to wish everyone in the engine community, here on the > web, > a very Merry Christmas. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > A very merry Christmas to all from Ruth and Alan Wheaton > > Wagga Wagga > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 23 02:46:21 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:46:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <001b01c84551$0ec247a0$0601a8c0@altech> A Merry Christmas from Kaye & I and also the 4 grand kids. We cut down a small pine today and the kids decorated it and placed the presents around the bottom. The eldest grand daughter, Morgan, had her Villiers running today and wants me to restore it this coming year. I have done the pump, the engine is next. Pics tomorrow. May all your wishes come true and good health follow you through 2008 and beyond. Peter & Kaye, Oz From shop at cccomm.net Sun Dec 23 07:07:54 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:07:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071223105334.00bbfa70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <018601c84575$994debd0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> It's begun. I listed something yesterday. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction > Hi All, > Any news on the Charity Auction yet? > > Wishing you all a Happy Christmas, > and may the New Year bring you lots more nice rusty old things. > Jerry Evans in South Africa > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: > 20/12/2007 02:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Sun Dec 23 07:31:35 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:31:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <018601c84575$994debd0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <658441.66400.qm@web82013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There are 10 items listes so far...WITH THE FRST ONE ENDING TOMORROW 12/24. Go to: http://www.oldironauction.com/ The most recent item is an amazing item... The Rotigel Flatulence Silencer Steve --- Dave Ernst wrote: > It's begun. I listed something yesterday. > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Evans" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:53 AM > Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction > > > > Hi All, > > Any news on the Charity Auction yet? > > > > Wishing you all a Happy Christmas, > > and may the New Year bring you lots more nice rusty old things. > > Jerry Evans in South Africa > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: > > 20/12/2007 02:14 PM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Dec 23 08:03:12 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:03:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends Message-ID: <20071223.112421.1380.5.jlb94@juno.com> In a pinch the brass pin from an old electric "plug" = = = = = = = Hi Jerry, Excellent !!! You never know when someone will come up with a new (or old) way to do a job. I'd never thought of using parts from a plug !!! It reminds me of the Old Erector Set. Had those "U" shaped things with a screw in them. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." From shop at cccomm.net Sun Dec 23 09:07:51 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:07:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction References: <658441.66400.qm@web82013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <023901c84586$59c3fd90$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Where did the blue handled fence pliers go????????????? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction > There are 10 items listes so far...WITH THE FRST ONE ENDING TOMORROW > 12/24. > > Go to: http://www.oldironauction.com/ > > The most recent item is an amazing item... The Rotigel Flatulence Silencer > > Steve > --- Dave Ernst wrote: > >> It's begun. I listed something yesterday. >> >> Dave >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Evans" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:53 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction >> >> >> > Hi All, >> > Any news on the Charity Auction yet? >> > >> > Wishing you all a Happy Christmas, >> > and may the New Year bring you lots more nice rusty old things. >> > Jerry Evans in South Africa >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: >> > 20/12/2007 02:14 PM >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Dec 23 11:02:47 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:02:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Just the Thing... In-Reply-To: <1198433017.476ea2f9ca67b@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1198433017.476ea2f9ca67b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <7E656533-E305-4C51-BBFF-4B5869741205@rustyiron.com> On Dec 23, 2007, at 10:03 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > for those of you who are convinced that home-brew hydrogen is JUST > what you need > to get the foot of The Man off the neck of the little guy. Yes, > we're talkin' > telling BIG OIL to take a hike!! All you need is water! Hook this > lil' puppy > up to your stationary engine and ol' Mister Oil can just whistle for > YOUR > money. You're going with hydrogen!! > > Enjoy!! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=270197839416 > > Item name: Working Hydrogen / HHO Generator - Electrolysis Chamber > Current price: AU $449.99 > Buy It Now price: AU $1,250.00 > End time: Dec-30-07 01:00:00 PST Hey Arnie, Do you know how this is possible? I'm baffled, but I think a clue can be found here: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2007/12/19/academic_slums Rob From johnculp at btes.tv Sun Dec 23 11:44:43 2007 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:44:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <20071223090725.OSLO26453.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071223090725.OSLO26453.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <0f3abde4c74f5a2e2e5c5f60bf9dacf8@btes.tv> Merry Christmas and a happy new year to all of you, and your families! :-D John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Dec 23 13:39:24 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:39:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <0f3abde4c74f5a2e2e5c5f60bf9dacf8@btes.tv> Message-ID: Same to 'ya Dr. John! Take care - Elden Port St. Joe, FL, USofA (In the heart of the Redneck Riviera) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 01:45 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas > > > Merry Christmas and a happy new year to all of > you, and your families! > :-D > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Sun Dec 23 12:51:47 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:51:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wishing you a special Christmas Message-ID: <000601c845a5$aa5385e0$fefa91a0$@net.au> I just want to wish you all a very special Christmas Blessing. We will soon be catching a plane to Adelaide to spend Christmas with our Children and grandchildren. We are gathering from right across Australia. It will be good to share with them. Have a great day and a safe holiday season Steve Matthew 1:23 (MsgB) Watch for this-a virgin will get pregnant and bear a son; They will name him Emmanuel (Hebrew for "God is with us"). Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 23 13:05:54 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:05:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Just the Thing... In-Reply-To: <7E656533-E305-4C51-BBFF-4B5869741205@rustyiron.com> References: <1198433017.476ea2f9ca67b@webmail.city-net.com> <7E656533-E305-4C51-BBFF-4B5869741205@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1198443954.476ecdb2dd00e@webmail.city-net.com> Hmmmmm, ya think...? Quoting Rob Skinner : > On Dec 23, 2007, at 10:03 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > for those of you who are convinced that home-brew hydrogen is JUST > > what you need to get the foot of The Man off the neck of the little guy. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=270197839416 > > Hey Arnie, > Do you know how this is possible? I'm baffled, but I think a clue can > be found here: > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2007/12/19/academic_slums From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Dec 23 16:10:49 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:10:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed Message-ID: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> I received these pictures this afternoon of a small, (50 lbs.), water cooled engine, and the new owner is after any information he can find. You can contact him at: FLASKS at ZOOMINTERNET.NET http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/neiman/ Take care. Ken Christison Conway, NC www.oldiron-nut.com www.kenskritters.co From milo at hughes.net Sun Dec 23 17:53:22 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:53:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed In-Reply-To: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Piggy backing here, Ken, I owe you an apology. Several years ago ~5-6? I can't even remember. You graciously donated web space to help me identify an old engine. The members of the SEL helped to accomplish that. The engine in question was originally called a "Busy Bee" (such was the name on the mounting skids). http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/holroyd/ Turned out to be a Gilson, Johnny On The Spot. I wanted to let you know that it was identified, and need not consume valuable server space. Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat grinder". Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of 10,800lbs of antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:11 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed > >I received these pictures this afternoon of a small, (50 lbs.), water >cooled >engine, and the new owner is after any information he can find. You can >contact him at: FLASKS at ZOOMINTERNET.NET >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/neiman/ > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >www.oldiron-nut.com >www.kenskritters.co > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 >2:02 PM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM From glenn.karch at att.net Sun Dec 23 18:29:26 2007 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:29:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed Message-ID: <833874.53094.qm@web83728.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Milo, Do I detect an IHC 10-20 in that road grader? Glenn ----- Original Message ---- From: Milo To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:53:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed Piggy backing here, Ken, I owe you an apology. Several years ago ~5-6? I can't even remember. You graciously donated web space to help me identify an old engine. The members of the SEL helped to accomplish that. The engine in question was originally called a "Busy Bee" (such was the name on the mounting skids). http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/holroyd/ Turned out to be a Gilson, Johnny On The Spot. I wanted to let you know that it was identified, and need not consume valuable server space. Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat grinder". Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of 10,800lbs of antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:11 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed > >I received these pictures this afternoon of a small, (50 lbs.), water >cooled >engine, and the new owner is after any information he can find. You can >contact him at: FLASKS at ZOOMINTERNET.NET >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/neiman/ > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >www.oldiron-nut.com >www.kenskritters.co > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 >2:02 PM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From milo at hughes.net Sun Dec 23 19:02:31 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:02:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed In-Reply-To: <833874.53094.qm@web83728.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <833874.53094.qm@web83728.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c845d9$758db4a0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Why..... yes, you do! I have some friends in Wisconsin looking for parts. Maybe even a whole tractor. The engine is frozen on this one. Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Karch >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 9:29 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed > >Milo, > >Do I detect an IHC 10-20 in that road grader? > >Glenn > > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Milo >To: The SEL email discussion list >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:53:22 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed > >Piggy backing here, > >Ken, I owe you an apology. Several years ago ~5-6? I can't even remember. >You graciously donated web space to help me identify an old engine. > >The members of the SEL helped to accomplish that. The engine in question >was >originally called a "Busy Bee" (such was the name on the mounting skids). >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/holroyd/ > >Turned out to be a Gilson, Johnny On The Spot. I wanted to let you know >that >it was identified, and need not consume valuable server space. > >Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat grinder". >Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of 10,800lbs of >antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. >http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ > >Peace >Milo > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >>bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison >>Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:11 PM >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed >> >>I received these pictures this afternoon of a small, (50 lbs.), water >>cooled >>engine, and the new owner is after any information he can find. You can >>contact him at: FLASKS at ZOOMINTERNET.NET >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/neiman/ >> >>Take care. >> >>Ken Christison >>Conway, NC >>www.oldiron-nut.com >>www.kenskritters.co >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: >12/22/2007 >>2:02 PM >> > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 >2:02 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 >2:02 PM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 23 20:14:29 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:14:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <023901c84586$59c3fd90$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <919770.74309.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the link. I couldn't find the auction site. I just placed the pliers up for sale. Alan Bowen Dave Ernst wrote: Where did the blue handled fence pliers go????????????? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction > There are 10 items listes so far...WITH THE FRST ONE ENDING TOMORROW > 12/24. > > Go to: http://www.oldironauction.com/ > > The most recent item is an amazing item... The Rotigel Flatulence Silencer > > Steve > --- Dave Ernst wrote: > >> It's begun. I listed something yesterday. >> >> Dave >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Evans" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:53 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction >> >> >> > Hi All, >> > Any news on the Charity Auction yet? >> > >> > Wishing you all a Happy Christmas, >> > and may the New Year bring you lots more nice rusty old things. >> > Jerry Evans in South Africa >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: >> > 20/12/2007 02:14 PM >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 23 20:27:02 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:27:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed In-Reply-To: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <476F3516.6000103@scrtc.com> Ken, The engine is a Carlisle Finch. Looks like it may have had a few modifications. I can see the exhaust box is missing and a few other parts. It would be a nice little winter project to get going. It appears to have a belt drive governor on it and I don't remember seeing a C/F set up this way. May have been an owner modification. The best thing he has is the little generator. There's several Carlisle Finch engines out there, not nearly as many of the generators though. In their day I think a person could buy the Carlisle Finch as a complete engine or could buy castings and build it yourself. I'm sure there are some SEL folks out there that are much more versed in them than I and I hope they chime in to add to or correct any of my statements. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Ken Christison wrote: >I received these pictures this afternoon of a small, (50 lbs.), water >cooled >engine, and the new owner is after any information he can find. You can >contact him at: FLASKS at ZOOMINTERNET.NET >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/neiman/ > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >www.oldiron-nut.com >www.kenskritters.co > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sun Dec 23 21:09:32 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:09:32 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas References: <001b01c84551$0ec247a0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <008f01c845eb$2be86220$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter look forward to the villier engine pics is it the washing machine type as i have one of those that needs restoring so i might get some advice i also just picked up a ransome mower powered by a villier engine quite cool it has a crank handle to fire it up a really nice mower looks like a proper greens mower has the serrated type rollers and the extra blades for a better cut.Will send some pics brentnz.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas > A Merry Christmas from Kaye & I and also the 4 grand kids. > We cut down a small pine today and the kids decorated it and placed the > presents around the bottom. > > The eldest grand daughter, Morgan, had her Villiers running today and wants > me to restore it this coming year. I have done the pump, the engine is next. > Pics tomorrow. > > May all your wishes come true and good health follow you through 2008 and > beyond. > > Peter & Kaye, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Dec 24 03:11:41 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:11:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas All In-Reply-To: <008f01c845eb$2be86220$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <001b01c84551$0ec247a0$0601a8c0@altech> <008f01c845eb$2be86220$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <3C6D8C3DC6FB4AC19CE1C4FDD2431556@KerryPC> To all our friend in the engine world have a safe and merry Christmas, Christmas eve here and nearly time for bed after a big day. Our family is all home this year the first for three years and we hope everyone's sees or hears from their family during this festive time. Been hectic here now for several months and have not contacted a lot of people I said I would. Update on the daughter in law, after the stroke she had just after having her first (and only) baby nearly 5 months ago the doctors believed they could now operate on fixing two holes in her heart, this they did three weeks ago, walking the next day and home after four days to do nothing at all for months. Sunday before last at our place she lost all pulse and was urgently air lifted to Sydney where she had a cardiac arrest as she was undergoing emergency operation to remove 600mm of fluid from around her heart, this prevented the heart from pumping, she came through ok thanks to the 10 people involved in the operation, to be released 4 days later, she is very tied all the time but hopefully she will get her strength back to hold her daughter again soon. Our son as been fantastic and looked after the baby while going to Sydney each day Donna was in Hospital. Really makes you know the real thing about family all the best to you all and yours Kerry & Ruth Lithgow NSW Oz From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Dec 24 03:53:36 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:53:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> <476F3516.6000103@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002301c84623$9e3b8680$726f4b47@mikecomp> Tommy is correct, this is a Carlisle & Finch. They are almost always 1/4 horsepower. I have one and the key features are identical, although it has been modified. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed > Ken, > The engine is a Carlisle Finch. Looks like it may have had a few > modifications. I can see the exhaust box is missing and a few other > parts. It would be a nice little winter project to get going. It > appears to have a belt drive governor on it and I don't remember seeing > a C/F set up this way. May have been an owner modification. The best > thing he has is the little generator. There's several Carlisle Finch > engines out there, not nearly as many of the generators though. In > their day I think a person could buy the Carlisle Finch as a complete > engine or could buy castings and build it yourself. I'm sure there are > some SEL folks out there that are much more versed in them than I and I > hope they chime in to add to or correct any of my statements. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Ken Christison wrote: > >>I received these pictures this afternoon of a small, (50 lbs.), water >>cooled >>engine, and the new owner is after any information he can find. You can >>contact him at: FLASKS at ZOOMINTERNET.NET >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/neiman/ >> >>Take care. >> >>Ken Christison >>Conway, NC >>www.oldiron-nut.com >>www.kenskritters.co >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Dec 24 04:10:38 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:10:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Message-ID: <122420071210.27164.476FA1BE0003259600006A1C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi All, Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super cast iron welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had actually gotten some from some where and can't remember where (suffering from OMS). Tried to goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help getting some so hope some one remembers better then me. thank you in advance. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year Curt Andree From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Dec 24 04:53:52 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:53:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod References: <122420071210.27164.476FA1BE0003259600006A1C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <004401c8462c$09e55930$6b83fb40@HP28276676518> Curt, Is it Weld Mold 706 you are after? I just got several hits when I googled it. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod > Hi All, > Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super cast iron > welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had actually gotten > some > from some where and can't remember where (suffering from OMS). Tried to > goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help getting some so > hope > some one remembers better then me. > thank you in advance. > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.7/1194 - Release Date: > 12/23/2007 5:27 PM > > From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 24 05:04:37 2007 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] HELLO LIST Message-ID: <002901c8462d$8a399000$8501a8c0@LapTop> MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR TOO ALL ARTHUR & DEANA SOUTHWELL Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Mon Dec 24 05:16:40 2007 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:16:40 EST Subject: [SEL] : Merry Christmas Message-ID: may you al have the happiest of Christmas's Peter & Marie Woodmore. peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name Woadmere From peter at loud-n-clear.net Mon Dec 24 05:33:15 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:33:15 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod In-Reply-To: <122420071210.27164.476FA1BE0003259600006A1C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <122420071210.27164.476FA1BE0003259600006A1C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <01e401c84631$89a9fd60$8335c53e@doc> Hi Curt I think any high-nickel rod would be good for cast iron - sometimes called "eutectic" rods. Merry Christmas to one and all. All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: 24 December 2007 12:11 > To: SEL Lists > Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod > > Hi All, > Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super > cast iron > welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had > actually gotten some > from some where and can't remember where (suffering from > OMS). Tried to > goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help > getting some so hope > some one remembers better then me. > thank you in advance. > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Dec 24 05:33:48 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:33:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] merry christmas Message-ID: <000701c84631$9e8b72e0$118becdc@Edd> Everyone have a safe enjoyable and happy Christmas. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 24 06:39:54 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:39:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Seasons Greetings Message-ID: <6f6025160712240639n5502c3f6t75d541eeb573327a@mail.gmail.com> Many thanks to everyone for a great year of mostly on-topic chat and advice. Hope you all have a Great Xmas. Let us all look forward to 2008 and a Happy & Prosperous New Year. See you at Portland in August... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Dec 24 07:54:19 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:54:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas All In-Reply-To: <3C6D8C3DC6FB4AC19CE1C4FDD2431556@KerryPC> Message-ID: Kerry & Ruth: I hope your daughter gets well soon. She had a close call there. Merry Christmas! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kerry > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 05:12 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL > email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas All > > ..............snip.......................... > > Been hectic here now for several months and have > not contacted a lot of > people I said I would. > > Update on the daughter in law, after the stroke > she had just after having > her first (and only) baby nearly 5 months ago ...........................................snip............................... > > Really makes you know the real thing about family > > all the best to you all and yours > > Kerry & Ruth > > Lithgow NSW Oz From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 24 07:06:11 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:06:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] antique road grader In-Reply-To: <000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> <000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <1198508771.476fcae3820d7@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Milo, Now THAT'S the way to go about retirement; BIGGER toys!! 8-)) Well done!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Milo : > Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat grinder". > Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of 10,800lbs of > antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. > http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 24 08:45:37 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:45:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod In-Reply-To: <122420071210.27164.476FA1BE0003259600006A1C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <122420071210.27164.476FA1BE0003259600006A1C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <959677C5-1B76-45EA-9FC2-21DE189F008F@alltel.net> Here you go Curt. See: http://products.esabna.com/EN/home/ filler_metals_catalog/q/display_id.id4367f2a953a532.98581002 -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 24, 2007, at 7:10 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi All, > Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super cast > iron > welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had actually > gotten some > from some where and can't remember where (suffering from OMS). > Tried to > goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help getting > some so hope > some one remembers better then me. > thank you in advance. > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Dec 24 10:06:22 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 07:06:22 +1300 Subject: [SEL] antique road grader References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> <000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <1198508771.476fcae3820d7@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <003901c84657$b1616bb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Milo nice road grader looks to be a good candidate for restoration looks in sound tidy order will be good to get it running again. brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > Hiya Milo, > > Now THAT'S the way to go about retirement; BIGGER toys!! 8-)) > Well done!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Milo : > > > Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat grinder". > > Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of 10,800lbs of > > antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. > > http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Dec 24 11:05:28 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:05:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Message-ID: <122420071905.17017.477002F800072EEE00004279219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Dave will give them a shout after holidays. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: David Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:49:24 +0000 > Here you go Curt. See: http://products.esabna.com/EN/home/ > filler_metals_catalog/q/display_id.id4367f2a953a532.98581002 > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Dec 24, 2007, at 7:10 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > Hi All, > > Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super cast > > iron > > welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had actually > > gotten some > > from some where and can't remember where (suffering from OMS). > > Tried to > > goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help getting > > some so hope > > some one remembers better then me. > > thank you in advance. > > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Dec 24 11:07:51 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:07:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Message-ID: <122420071907.18170.4770038700090551000046FA219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Peter but this Poly Mold rod is more forgiving then nickel rod. I had used all that I had bought and once you ve welded with it you would not go back to the nickel stuff. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Peter Scales" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:38:24 +0000 > Hi Curt > > I think any high-nickel rod would be good for cast iron - sometimes called > "eutectic" rods. > > Merry Christmas to one and all. > > All the best > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > cgandree at mchsi.com > > Sent: 24 December 2007 12:11 > > To: SEL Lists > > Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod > > > > Hi All, > > Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super > > cast iron > > welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had > > actually gotten some > > from some where and can't remember where (suffering from > > OMS). Tried to > > goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help > > getting some so hope > > some one remembers better then me. > > thank you in advance. > > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From DOUBLE-D-66 at PRODIGY.NET Mon Dec 24 11:19:35 2007 From: DOUBLE-D-66 at PRODIGY.NET (DOUBLE-D-66 at PRODIGY.NET) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:19:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas All Message-ID: Merry Christmas to all from the Davis family From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Dec 24 11:21:31 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:21:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Message-ID: <122420071921.27716.477006BB000A3FAE00006C44219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Gary, YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS you got it right and according to a post left on goggle by one of past deceased SEL members (back in 2001) he had given me the contact in the USA and now I will beable to reorder some. It is properly called Polyweld 700. This is the best cast iron welding rod made and can really make cast iron repairs an easier job with little or no preheating nor cracking. I must boast and say that I had repaired a full crack on the underside of my JD 1 1/2hp model E engine that actually went through both sides of the drain hole. It really saved my engine and I had used it several other times on cast iron repairs with very good results. Well worth the extra money the rods cost too. Many thanks and Merrry Christmas. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:11:51 +0000 > Curt, > Is it Weld Mold 706 you are after? I just got several hits when I googled > it. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL Lists" > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:10 AM > Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod > > > > Hi All, > > Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super cast iron > > welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had actually gotten > > some > > from some where and can't remember where (suffering from OMS). Tried to > > goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help getting some so > > hope > > some one remembers better then me. > > thank you in advance. > > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.7/1194 - Release Date: > > 12/23/2007 5:27 PM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Dec 24 11:22:10 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:22:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] merry christmas References: <000701c84631$9e8b72e0$118becdc@Edd> Message-ID: <002d01c84662$47e68c50$726f4b47@mikecomp> My very best to all of you around the world for a wonderful Christmas. Mike (the good cloistered oyster) Royster From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Dec 24 15:29:39 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:29:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] HELLO LIST In-Reply-To: <002901c8462d$8a399000$8501a8c0@LapTop> References: <002901c8462d$8a399000$8501a8c0@LapTop> Message-ID: <20071224203008.6CA2039C2C5@md5.pennswoods.net> At 08:04 AM 12/24/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Back at you Arthur Deana R Fink PA >MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR > >TOO ALL > >ARTHUR & DEANA SOUTHWELL > > >Arthur Southwell > >Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. > >asouth42 at embarqmail.com > > >http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html >http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee >http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 >http://oldengine.org/members/southwell > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: >12/22/2007 2:02 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Dec 24 14:01:29 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:01:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] It's Christmas ! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071224235248.00bc0c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys & Gals, There have been a lot of good wishes on the Lists in the last few days but I wanted mine to go out as the clock ticked over. (Local time that is). The New Zealanders are already celebrating, The Aussies as well ( They've probably been at it for a few days already - downing a vile brew called "Fosters" :-)) Us, and the Brits are just getting there and you Yanks will soon be here! To all my friends on the Oldengine list as well as the Atis List (SEL) I would like to thank you all for being such great people. I've made friends from all over the world on these lists and I'd like you to know that I appreciate each and every one of you very much. I've not belonged to many Internet lists but these 2 have been the greatest. Thanks all for the "camaraderie", the help you have given, the "flames", the praise and even the "cabin fever", I've loved every bit of it ! There are 2 special guys that I would like to mention. They are (in no order of preference) - Spencer Yost and Jim Dunmyer. A very special thanks to you two guys for providing the services that mean so much to us members. Without you two we'd all be limited to something like - with all the advertising and other crap that comes with it! Thank you for an alternative ! I'd like to wish each and every one of you, my friends, well over the Christmas period (and, if you are not a Christian, then I'll wish you well over "our" festive season - I'm not fussy"). Keep well, Jerry Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Dec 24 15:36:20 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:36:20 -0000 Subject: [SEL] merry christmas Message-ID: <002801c84685$cc12adb0$b6be6f58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guy's & Gals, I'd like to wish everyone on the list a very merry Christmas . from Craig in Scotland From milo at hughes.net Mon Dec 24 18:18:04 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:18:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] antique road grader In-Reply-To: <1198508771.476fcae3820d7@webmail.city-net.com> References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com><000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <1198508771.476fcae3820d7@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000701c8469c$65e09a40$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Thanks Arnie. I'm looking forward to meeting fellow SEL'ers. And to restoring this iron to it's fullest capabilities. Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com >Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 10:06 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > >Hiya Milo, > >Now THAT'S the way to go about retirement; BIGGER toys!! 8-)) >Well done!! > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Milo : > >> Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat grinder". >> Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of 10,800lbs >of >> antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. >> http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 >11:19 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 11:19 AM From milo at hughes.net Mon Dec 24 18:22:02 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:22:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] antique road grader In-Reply-To: <003901c84657$b1616bb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com><000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH><1198508771.476fcae3820d7@webmail.city-net.com> <003901c84657$b1616bb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <000801c8469c$f6725670$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Howdy Brent. Yes it is a good candidate for restoration. It's "rough" right now. (engine seized) but parts are available. Also missing the scarifier assy. If ya see one laying around, let me know. :-) Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of brent >Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 1:06 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > >Milo nice road grader looks to be a good candidate for restoration looks in >sound tidy order will be good to get it running again. brentnz > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 4:06 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > > >> Hiya Milo, >> >> Now THAT'S the way to go about retirement; BIGGER toys!! 8-)) >> Well done!! >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Milo : >> >> > Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat >grinder". >> > Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of >10,800lbs >of >> > antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. >> > http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: >12/22/2007 2:02 PM >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 >11:19 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 11:19 AM From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 24 20:18:30 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:18:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <01d801c846ad$3581ba80$210110ac@FAMILY> To each and every list member I want to wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and may God's richest blessings be with you all during the coming year. I am grateful for the friendship of each of you and want you to know that your presence in my life has made this year a much more joyful time for me. Thank you and God Bless and Keep you. Paul From driggars at wildblue.net Mon Dec 24 20:55:32 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:55:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <01d801c846ad$3581ba80$210110ac@FAMILY> References: <01d801c846ad$3581ba80$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <47708D44.7080702@wildblue.net> Paul Same back to you and as well as all the others on list Clint Paul Maples wrote: > To each and every list member I want to wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and may God's richest blessings be with you all during the coming year. I am grateful for the friendship of each of you and want you to know that your presence in my life has made this year a much more joyful time for me. Thank you and God Bless and Keep you. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From driggars at wildblue.net Mon Dec 24 21:11:40 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:11:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod In-Reply-To: <122420071921.27716.477006BB000A3FAE00006C44219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <122420071921.27716.477006BB000A3FAE00006C44219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4770910C.9080408@wildblue.net> Curt Any on line sources to get this nickel rod? Clint cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi Gary, > YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS you got it right and according to a post left on goggle by > one of past deceased SEL members (back in 2001) he had given me the contact in > the USA and now I will beable to reorder some. It is properly called Polyweld > 700. This is the best cast iron welding rod made and can really make cast > iron repairs an easier job with little or no preheating nor cracking. I must > boast and say that I had repaired a full crack on the underside of my JD 1 > 1/2hp model E engine that actually went through both sides of the drain hole. > It really saved my engine and I had used it several other times on cast iron > repairs with very good results. Well worth the extra money the rods cost too. > Many thanks and Merrry Christmas. > Curt Andree > > > ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- > From: "Gary Epps" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:11:51 +0000 > > >> Curt, >> Is it Weld Mold 706 you are after? I just got several hits when I googled >> it. >> >> Gary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "SEL Lists" >> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:10 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod >> >> >> >>> Hi All, >>> Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super cast iron >>> welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had actually gotten >>> some >>> from some where and can't remember where (suffering from OMS). Tried to >>> goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help getting some so >>> hope >>> some one remembers better then me. >>> thank you in advance. >>> Merry Christmas & Happy New Year >>> Curt Andree >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.7/1194 - Release Date: >>> 12/23/2007 5:27 PM >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From yostsw at atis.net Mon Dec 24 21:55:38 2007 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:55:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas! In-Reply-To: <003201c846a1$ebcae200$6501a8c0@reg96197eb8820> References: <003201c846a1$ebcae200$6501a8c0@reg96197eb8820> Message-ID: <47709B5A.4080609@atis.net> A very Merry Christmas to everyone at ATIS. I think one of the lines from my favorite hymn/carol says it all: Darkness flies, all is bright. The season stands for the idea that indeed darkness flies, hope is renewed and that God is at hand and among us; real and not temporal. That which constricts us, the fear the paralyzes us, the sadness of horrible tragedies and missing loved ones; gossip and recrimination's and strong headwinds we encounter in our daily lives are all borne away on the wings of a new child borne in mean estate. This compels us to see the world half full instead of half empty and to rest our fears, suspicions and anger toward each other. Those that know me probably realize I am no great Christian, but when I hear that the host of heaven appeared to the shepherds proclaiming: "Be not afraid, for I bring you glad tidings of great joy", I take notice and find peace, if only for a night. May great joy follow you and yours this holiday season, Spencer Yost ATIS From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Mon Dec 24 22:15:16 2007 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:15:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <01d801c846ad$3581ba80$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20071225004850.00bfa4d0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 10:18 PM 12/24/2007 -0600, you wrote: >To each and every list member I want to wish you and your family a very >Merry Christmas and may God's richest blessings be with you all during the >coming year. I am grateful for the friendship of each of you and want you >to know that your presence in my life has made this year a much more >joyful time for me. Thank you and God Bless and Keep you. > >Paul Paul: Thank you for the very nice post. I want to thank you and all my ATIS friends for your support during my families tragic loss last year around this time of my son. We will never know 'why'. But the love and support of friends here at home and on line helped us make it. The support of the scholarship fund in my sons name by the charity auction was overwhelming. I was at a loss for words when I received the check and I still am. All I can say is "THANK YOU". Bid early and often in this years auction!!!!!!! Remember the reason for the season. Hug your loved ones!!!!!!! To all " MERRY CHRISTMAS". _Steve From billmil357 at aol.com Mon Dec 24 22:38:03 2007 From: billmil357 at aol.com (billmil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:38:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <01d801c846ad$3581ba80$210110ac@FAMILY> References: <01d801c846ad$3581ba80$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <8CA14D7D5C3D6EF-7B4-6F8@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> Bill Miller say's Merry Christmas to everyone! It's about 12:20am Christmas morning and I was going through Dad's email. Ya'll really mean a lot to Daddy and I know he wants me to send Christmas greetings. We spent most of the day Christmas eve with him and Mom and he was awake through most of the day, more so than usual. Dad ate a good lunch with us and even tried to smile for all the pictures. He's gotten to the point where he normally only wakes up for a short time for meals and to take his medicine, only talking very little, usually only one word answers. He's made it to Christmas which was the first goal he had set, the next one would be mid February?for the birth of his first great grandchild (Vickie and my first grand child) but we'll leave that in God's hands. Randy Miller? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Maples To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 8:18 pm Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas To each and every list member I want to wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and may God's richest blessings be with you all during the coming year. I am grateful for the friendship of each of you and want you to know that your presence in my life has made this year a much more joyful time for me. Thank you and God Bless and Keep you. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Dec 24 23:06:05 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:06:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object Message-ID: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All Can anyone identify this object please. I would say it is not a burner as there is no pressure pump. It looks like it boils something, but when you do the steam and water just leaks out of the top assembly like something is missing. One of you gurus must have seen one before. Here is the link http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm Regards Peter, Oz From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Dec 24 23:40:43 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:40:43 +1300 Subject: [SEL] antique road grader References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> <000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <1198508771.476fcae3820d7@webmail.city-net.com> <003901c84657$b1616bb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <000801c8469c$f6725670$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <001101c846c9$74b244b0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Milo will be interested in methods to unseize the engine i have tackled some badly seized moters and gearboxs one flathead moter had the valves rust welded to the block amazingly after i had unseized it the bore was fine will need new rings and valves but motor is salvageable. The cast iron engines seem to cope pretty well considering the state they are often found in.I dont think an alloy engine would last the same in the same situation brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milo" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > Howdy Brent. > Yes it is a good candidate for restoration. > It's "rough" right now. (engine seized) but parts are available. > Also missing the scarifier assy. If ya see one laying around, let me know. > :-) > > Peace > Milo > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of brent > >Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 1:06 PM > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > > > >Milo nice road grader looks to be a good candidate for restoration looks in > >sound tidy order will be good to get it running again. brentnz > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 4:06 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > > > > > >> Hiya Milo, > >> > >> Now THAT'S the way to go about retirement; BIGGER toys!! 8-)) > >> Well done!! > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >> > >> Quoting Milo : > >> > >> > Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat > >grinder". > >> > Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of > >10,800lbs > >of > >> > antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. > >> > http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: > >12/22/2007 2:02 PM > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 > >11:19 AM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 > 11:19 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 11:19 AM > > From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Dec 24 23:42:20 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:42:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object In-Reply-To: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> If I'm reading the reflections, properly, the top of the tank is slightly dished. By placing a bit of gasoline in the dished part, then lighting it, the contents will become pressurized. If my surmise is correct, it does not need a pressure pump. I would think, however, the filler cap is missing. It appears as though it has been lost and a jury-rigged stopper has been inserted. In order for it to work properly, a proper cap should be provided. I have a backpacking stove that works in the manner described. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 11:06 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine.org Subject: Mystery object Hi All Can anyone identify this object please. I would say it is not a burner as there is no pressure pump. It looks like it boils something, but when you do the steam and water just leaks out of the top assembly like something is missing. One of you gurus must have seen one before. Here is the link http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm Regards Peter, Oz To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Dec 25 02:33:31 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:33:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> <004b01c846c9$f89a1f00$0201a8c0@DELL> Message-ID: <001101c846e1$9c4c6f60$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Roland & Orrin There is a handle on one side that is missing, but there are two threaded holes. Orrin, the centre section is not really dished enough to hold heating fluid, can anyone explain its operation, what is the tube coming out at right angles from the top section.? On the right hand photo, bottom left corner, that section has holes all around the outside and a small hole or jet in the middle. Yes, there would be a nice knurled brass filler cap in place of that wooden plug. Peter, Oz Here is the link http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm Roland Replied ................................. > Peter > I think its the remains of a Tilley heater. > Roland Orrin replied .............................. >If I'm reading the reflections, properly, the top of the tank is slightly >dished. By placing a bit of gasoline in the dished part, then lighting it, >the contents will become pressurized. If my surmise is correct, it does >not >need a pressure pump. I would think, however, the filler cap is missing. >It appears as though it >has been lost and a jury-rigged stopper has been inserted. In order for it >to work properly, a proper cap should be provided. Regards, Orrin From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Dec 25 02:35:34 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:35:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> <004b01c846c9$f89a1f00$0201a8c0@DELL> <001101c846e1$9c4c6f60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001501c846e1$e22105a0$0601a8c0@altech> Sorry, that should read right hand photo, bottom right corner object Peter > Hi Roland & Orrin > There is a handle on one side that is missing, but there are two threaded > holes. > Orrin, the centre section is not really dished enough to hold heating > fluid, can anyone explain its operation, what is the tube coming out at > right angles from the top section.? > On the right hand photo, bottom left corner, that section has holes all > around the outside and a small hole or jet in the middle. > Yes, there would be a nice knurled brass filler cap in place of that > wooden plug. > > Peter, Oz > Here is the link > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > Roland Replied ................................. > >> Peter >> I think its the remains of a Tilley heater. >> Roland > > Orrin replied .............................. > >>If I'm reading the reflections, properly, the top of the tank is slightly >>dished. By placing a bit of gasoline in the dished part, then lighting >>it, >>the contents will become pressurized. If my surmise is correct, it does >>not >>need a pressure pump. I would think, however, the filler cap is missing. >>It appears as though it >>has been lost and a jury-rigged stopper has been inserted. In order for >>it >>to work properly, a proper cap should be provided. > >Regards, Orrin > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Dec 25 03:59:30 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:59:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> <004b01c846c9$f89a1f00$0201a8c0@DELL> Message-ID: <000801c846ed$9b665eb0$0601a8c0@altech> For those with nothing do but sit back and enjoy Christmas here are a few more items to identify for me. I think I know what No. 3 is but I am willing to listen to others. Nos. 4, 5 & 6 I am not real sure, I would say that a powder of some sort goes into the hopper, you close the lid. The handle has a gearbox which when you wind it acts like a blower, the material is fed through a small hole on the bottom of the hopper and there is also a stirrer in there. On the blower side, air is forced from outside through a small impeller to combine with the mixture and then blow out the front nozzle. We though it might belong to the pastry cooking/cake making profession for dusting the icing sugar on large batch production, what is your guess? It is die cast, made in Japan. These are my brothers and I said that if anyone could identify these items our engine guys and gals could. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm Peter, Oz From weolson at wiktel.com Tue Dec 25 06:31:21 2007 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 08:31:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object In-Reply-To: <000801c846ed$9b665eb0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> <004b01c846c9$f89a1f00$0201a8c0@DELL> <000801c846ed$9b665eb0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <47711439.7090009@wiktel.com> On items 4,5, & 6, I think you are right on it being a duster of some sort. I've seen very similar types with an extension tube on the outlet and used for dusting vegtable plants with insect killer dust to help keep your garden bug free. William Olson Northern Minnesota Merry Christmas. we hafe a beautiful 11 inches of snow on the ground, and a delightful +15 degrees F. Peter Lowe wrote: >For those with nothing do but sit back and enjoy Christmas here are a few >more items to identify for me. >I think I know what No. 3 is but I am willing to listen to others. > >Nos. 4, 5 & 6 I am not real sure, I would say that a powder of some sort >goes into the hopper, you close the lid. >The handle has a gearbox which when you wind it acts like a blower, the >material is fed through a small hole on the bottom of the hopper and there >is also a stirrer in there. >On the blower side, air is forced from outside through a small impeller to >combine with the mixture and then blow out the front nozzle. >We though it might belong to the pastry cooking/cake making profession for >dusting the icing sugar on large batch production, what is your guess? >It is die cast, made in Japan. > >These are my brothers and I said that if anyone could identify these items >our engine guys and gals could. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > > >Peter, Oz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 25 07:44:20 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 09:44:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object In-Reply-To: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Peter: Items 4, 5 & 6 are a garden duster for insecticide. It's not an old item unless you consider an age of about 30 years to be old. Elaine has one she bought in the late 70's. Take care - Elden > From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] > On Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 11:06 PM > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org > Subject: Mystery object > > Hi All > > Can anyone identify this object please. > I would say it is not a burner as there is no > pressure pump. It looks like > it boils something, but when you do the steam and > water just leaks out of > the top assembly like something is missing. > One of you gurus must have seen one before. > > Here is the link > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > Regards > Peter, Oz > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Tue Dec 25 07:11:25 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:11:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object In-Reply-To: <000801c846ed$9b665eb0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> <004b01c846c9$f89a1f00$0201a8c0@DELL> <000801c846ed$9b665eb0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <47711D9D.9080707@telenet.net> 4,5,6 are a plant duster. Used for applying poison dust to plants. You use it in the early evening when the dew falls. Just fill it with the dust of choice and turn the crank. It will blow the dust out in a fog to coat the plants evenly. -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept Peter Lowe wrote: > For those with nothing do but sit back and enjoy Christmas here are a few > more items to identify for me. > I think I know what No. 3 is but I am willing to listen to others. > > Nos. 4, 5 & 6 I am not real sure, I would say that a powder of some sort > goes into the hopper, you close the lid. > The handle has a gearbox which when you wind it acts like a blower, the > material is fed through a small hole on the bottom of the hopper and there > is also a stirrer in there. > On the blower side, air is forced from outside through a small impeller to > combine with the mixture and then blow out the front nozzle. > We though it might belong to the pastry cooking/cake making profession for > dusting the icing sugar on large batch production, what is your guess? > It is die cast, made in Japan. > > These are my brothers and I said that if anyone could identify these items > our engine guys and gals could. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > > > Peter, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 25 14:28:14 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:28:14 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <000b01c84745$70d80560$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter i have a kerosene heater that looks very similar has the same top part and base the top piece helps the kerosine to vaporise it is a pressure operated though.My guess is that some parts may be missing.I have tried to send a pic but has been sent to the moderator can send them to your email address brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: ; "'ATIS'" Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery object > If I'm reading the reflections, properly, the top of the tank is slightly > dished. By placing a bit of gasoline in the dished part, then lighting it, > the contents will become pressurized. If my surmise is correct, it does not > need a pressure pump. > > I would think, however, the filler cap is missing. It appears as though it > has been lost and a jury-rigged stopper has been inserted. In order for it > to work properly, a proper cap should be provided. > > I have a backpacking stove that works in the manner described. > > Regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 11:06 PM > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org > Subject: Mystery object > > Hi All > > Can anyone identify this object please. > I would say it is not a burner as there is no pressure pump. It looks like > it boils something, but when you do the steam and water just leaks out of > the top assembly like something is missing. > One of you gurus must have seen one before. > > Here is the link > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > Regards > Peter, Oz > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1196 - Release Date: 12/25/2007 12:18 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 25 14:39:34 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:39:34 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <005b01c84747$0625f4a0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter with the kerosine heater i have you preheat it with a small clip type holder that clips on the main stem underneath the vaporiser at the top it is filled with asbestos it isnt preheated at the base like a blow torch etc.If it is a heater they also came out as a light but the top fitting is quite different than the vaporiser type for the heater that is in your picture.The light type an uncle of mine had it had a glass surround and an asbestos globe attachs inside.brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Mystery object > Hi All > > Can anyone identify this object please. > I would say it is not a burner as there is no pressure pump. It looks like > it boils something, but when you do the steam and water just leaks out of > the top assembly like something is missing. > One of you gurus must have seen one before. > > Here is the link > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > Regards > Peter, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 11:19 AM > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Dec 25 16:31:57 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:31:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> <000b01c84745$70d80560$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <001401c84756$b959f8a0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Guys and Gals Well we have come to the conclusion that the brass object is a kerosene or other fuel, heater or lamp of some sorts. Would love a photo if anyone has one. The second object still unknown, would it be for opening 44 gallon drums?? I have seen them before and I have one some where. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm The third thing is an insecticide spreader. So far collectively you have done well, I just want to clarify the tool please!! Peter, Oz From twoferals at yahoo.com.au Tue Dec 25 17:12:40 2007 From: twoferals at yahoo.com.au (twoferals) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:12:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object In-Reply-To: <001401c84756$b959f8a0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> <000b01c84745$70d80560$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <001401c84756$b959f8a0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <4771AA88.1080406@yahoo.com.au> Peter, See Tilley Lamp TL2 towards bottom. Note Pinocchio protuberance. > http://terrence.marsh.faculty.noctrl.edu/lantern/tilleyindustriallamps.html Cheers, Al Harris Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Guys and Gals > > Well we have come to the conclusion that the brass object is a kerosene or > other fuel, heater or lamp of some sorts. Would love a photo if anyone has > one. > > The second object still unknown, would it be for opening 44 gallon drums?? I > have seen them before and I have one some where. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > The third thing is an insecticide spreader. > > So far collectively you have done well, I just want to clarify the tool > please!! > > Peter, Oz > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From twoferals at yahoo.com.au Tue Dec 25 17:15:11 2007 From: twoferals at yahoo.com.au (twoferals) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:15:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object In-Reply-To: <001401c84756$b959f8a0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> <000b01c84745$70d80560$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <001401c84756$b959f8a0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <4771AB1F.7000806@yahoo.com.au> Darn it. Make that LT2. Peter, See Tilley Lamp TL2 towards bottom. Note Pinocchio protuberance. > http://terrence.marsh.faculty.noctrl.edu/lantern/tilleyindustriallamps.html Cheers, Al Harris Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Guys and Gals > > Well we have come to the conclusion that the brass object is a kerosene or > other fuel, heater or lamp of some sorts. Would love a photo if anyone has > one. > > The second object still unknown, would it be for opening 44 gallon drums?? I > have seen them before and I have one some where. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > The third thing is an insecticide spreader. > > So far collectively you have done well, I just want to clarify the tool > please!! > > Peter, Oz > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 25 17:40:22 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:40:22 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> <000b01c84745$70d80560$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <001401c84756$b959f8a0$0601a8c0@altech> <4771AB1F.7000806@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <001101c84760$48a981c0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter what is your email address and i will send you a pic of the similar style kerosine heater i have some parts look identical brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "twoferals" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery object > Darn it. Make that LT2. > > Peter, > > See Tilley Lamp TL2 towards bottom. Note Pinocchio protuberance. > > > http://terrence.marsh.faculty.noctrl.edu/lantern/tilleyindustriallamps.html > > Cheers, > Al Harris > > > > Peter Lowe wrote: > > Hi Guys and Gals > > > > Well we have come to the conclusion that the brass object is a kerosene or > > other fuel, heater or lamp of some sorts. Would love a photo if anyone has > > one. > > > > The second object still unknown, would it be for opening 44 gallon drums?? I > > have seen them before and I have one some where. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > > > The third thing is an insecticide spreader. > > > > So far collectively you have done well, I just want to clarify the tool > > please!! > > > > Peter, Oz > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1196 - Release Date: 12/25/2007 12:18 PM > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Dec 25 18:06:05 2007 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:06:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <4771B70D.7040400@wightman.ca> Hi Folks, Just a Merry Christmas from this lurker up north. Hope all are well. Duncan, Sandy and Morgan Denman Ayton, Ont. Canada http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 03:17:55 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:17:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers. Message-ID: <752101.27373.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, The pliers are up for sale on the auction site. Please bid high and often. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Dec 26 04:27:46 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:27:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron welding rod update Message-ID: <122620071227.26028.477248C2000591C1000065AC219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi guys, Finally got on to the website on that special cast iron welding rod as follows: www.weldmold.com/copper_nickel_alloy.htm Thanks to some great help from the list I know remember that I ordered it from AFA Gas,Inc., Danville, Illinois. If you check out the website click on the PDF flag for 702 or 706 and it will give you the specs,etc. also a phone number for the company. thanks to all that assited. Curt Andree From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 26 05:54:10 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:54:10 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron welding rod update References: <122620071227.26028.477248C2000591C1000065AC219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003901c847c6$cbb54390$0dc20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Cast iron welding rod update > Hi guys, > Finally got on to the website on that special cast iron welding rod as follows: > > www.weldmold.com/copper_nickel_alloy.htm Hi Curt, You are short of a space! There are 2 spaces between copper & nickle. Try http://www.weldmold.com/copper__nickel_alloy.htm Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 13:25:01 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:25:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <162285.41838.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I joined the SEL and Old Engine.org about a year after the great adventure taken by the pliers. It seems like they had already been sold once even. As I remember it,,,,,,, Farmer had misplaced these pliers and just for something to chat about wrote to the SEL that his pliers had come up missing. Next thing ya know with all the clowns on the SEL back then folks all over the place were saying the pliers had been seen there. So, those piers finally showed back up at Farmer's place and a SEL legend was born. They were highly sought after and went for pretty big money when first auctioned. Anyone that remembers more or better please add to this or correct as needed. I wish I had an accurate record for every place the pliers have been since the first auction. They truly are Internationally Traveled now. I grabbed them away from the tractor guys so it is up to you folks to keep them with the engine guys. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Shasta4 at aol.com wrote: Agree !! How bout it guys ?? Sounds like a great story fer ALL to enjoy 'n perhaps pass on !!!!! Al Boyer Tolland CT USA ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 26 14:46:48 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:46:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers In-Reply-To: <162285.41838.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <162285.41838.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan, At one time there was a "log book" that traveled with the pliers. It documented where all they'd been and what they'd been up to. There were also "local mementos" that were attached to the pliers; little wooden shoes from Holland, I think a little koala bear from Oz, etc. Some of the tales recorded in words and pictures were pretty sordid. I'm thinking back to an incident at Coolspring involving a pair of needlenose pliers that made the local news.... Does anyone know where the SEL FAQ lives these days? The Tale of the World-Famous Internationally Traveled Blue Handled Fence Pliers From The Magnetic Center Of The Known Universe (AKA WFITBHFPFTMCOTKU) might be there along with the Tales of Little Lisa (another lurid story with pictures that ain't pretty). Hmmmm, I found this FAQ, which has some interesting SEL lore, but not a word on the WFITBHFPFTMCOTKU. http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/FAQ.shtml And this FAQ which, while interesting and useful, DEFINITELY has nothing on the WFITBHFPFTMCOTKU. http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html Any other OLD list folks out there with better memories than mine? Brice? Steve? Spencer? Dave? Ron? Dolly? Farmer? SOMEONE must remember the details? Or at least have the balls to make them up as needed? 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Dolly? Yer not REALLY old... 8->>> Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 26 Dec 2007, Alan Bowen wrote: > I joined the SEL and Old Engine.org about a year after the great > adventure taken by the pliers. It seems like they had already been sold > once even. > > As I remember it,,,,,,, > Farmer had misplaced these pliers and just for something to chat about > wrote to the SEL that his pliers had come up missing. Next thing ya > know with all the clowns on the SEL back then folks all over the place > were saying the pliers had been seen there. So, those piers finally > showed back up at Farmer's place and a SEL legend was born. They were > highly sought after and went for pretty big money when first auctioned. > Anyone that remembers more or better please add to this or correct as needed. > > I wish I had an accurate record for every place the pliers have been > since the first auction. They truly are Internationally Traveled now. > I grabbed them away from the tractor guys so it is up to you folks to > keep them with the engine guys. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 26 15:08:06 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:08:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071226235100.00bb72f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071226235100.00bb72f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Just remember Jerry, there are two "rules" that govern the final "price" of those infamous Blue Handled Fence Pliers. 1: How far you are from the Magnetic Center Of The Known Universe (where the pliers are from), and 2: How wide your ass is. This is of greatest concern to the FATGs among us. 8->> See ya, Arnie On Wed, 26 Dec 2007, Jerry Evans wrote: > Come on Dave and others, > Let's trace their history and travels - maybe they need to spend > some time in Sunny South Africa !! From shop at cccomm.net Wed Dec 26 15:29:02 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:29:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers References: <162285.41838.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019001c84817$197e3b90$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> They resided in England with Helen French (husband Don?) don't remember and it's been a long while since they posted. Then one year didn't they end up down under? NOW, I'M old................afflicted with lots of CRS Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers > Hi Alan, > > At one time there was a "log book" that traveled with the pliers. It > documented where all they'd been and what they'd been up to. There were > also "local mementos" that were attached to the pliers; little wooden > shoes from Holland, I think a little koala bear from Oz, etc. Some of > the tales recorded in words and pictures were pretty sordid. I'm thinking > back to an incident at Coolspring involving a pair of needlenose > pliers that made the local news.... > > Does anyone know where the SEL FAQ lives these days? The Tale of the > World-Famous Internationally Traveled Blue Handled Fence Pliers From The > Magnetic Center Of The Known Universe (AKA WFITBHFPFTMCOTKU) might be > there along with the Tales of Little Lisa (another lurid story with > pictures that ain't pretty). > > Hmmmm, I found this FAQ, which has some interesting SEL lore, but not a > word on the WFITBHFPFTMCOTKU. > http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/FAQ.shtml > > And this FAQ which, while interesting and useful, DEFINITELY has nothing > on the WFITBHFPFTMCOTKU. > http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html > > Any other OLD list folks out there with better memories than mine? > Brice? Steve? Spencer? Dave? Ron? Dolly? Farmer? SOMEONE must > remember the details? Or at least have the balls to make them up as > needed? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Dolly? Yer not REALLY old... 8->>> > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Wed, 26 Dec 2007, Alan Bowen wrote: > >> I joined the SEL and Old Engine.org about a year after the great >> adventure taken by the pliers. It seems like they had already been sold >> once even. >> >> As I remember it,,,,,,, >> Farmer had misplaced these pliers and just for something to chat about >> wrote to the SEL that his pliers had come up missing. Next thing ya >> know with all the clowns on the SEL back then folks all over the place >> were saying the pliers had been seen there. So, those piers finally >> showed back up at Farmer's place and a SEL legend was born. They were >> highly sought after and went for pretty big money when first auctioned. >> Anyone that remembers more or better please add to this or correct as >> needed. >> >> I wish I had an accurate record for every place the pliers have been >> since the first auction. They truly are Internationally Traveled now. >> I grabbed them away from the tractor guys so it is up to you folks to >> keep them with the engine guys. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 26 15:46:35 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 01:46:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Charity Auction items added Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071227013244.00b9c030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys & Gals, I've added a few brass spec. plates to the auction (seems like this may become an annual "thing") (I even "copied & pasted" from last year). I really enjoyed last years auction and hope you people enjoy this one as well! I've a few more things to add and will keep you posted. Anyone need Maytag decals :-) ? Enjoy ! Tommy, I trust that I'll hear from you soon. :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 26 17:47:46 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:47:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers In-Reply-To: <906873.24724.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <906873.24724.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1198720066.4773044269394@webmail.city-net.com> Ahhhhh, yes. That all sounds VERY familiar!! Any chance of adding a pic of the "goodies" with the Blue Handled Fence Pliers to the auction? Or maybe a link to a pic? See ya, Arnie Quoting Alan Bowen : > I never got a log book with the pliers. > I do see evidence that they lived with Dot Parsons in New Zealand and also > with John Hammink in the Netherlands. > > Some fine caretaker in 2002 made a board to display them on and added five > show buttons from Brownsville, PA , Southern Indiana, Findlay, Ohio, > Portland and WMC Fall Harvest Days. From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Dec 26 18:46:40 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:46:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers Message-ID: <20071226.184640.296.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Try this. http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/WFITBHFP.jpg On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:47:46 -0500 fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > Ahhhhh, yes. That all sounds VERY familiar!! Any chance of adding a > pic of the > "goodies" with the Blue Handled Fence Pliers to the auction? Or > maybe a link > to a pic? > > See ya, Arnie From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 18:48:56 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:48:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers In-Reply-To: <1198720066.4773044269394@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <444279.18720.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Done. fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: Ahhhhh, yes. That all sounds VERY familiar!! Any chance of adding a pic of the "goodies" with the Blue Handled Fence Pliers to the auction? Or maybe a link to a pic? See ya, Arnie Quoting Alan Bowen : > I never got a log book with the pliers. > I do see evidence that they lived with Dot Parsons in New Zealand and also > with John Hammink in the Netherlands. > > Some fine caretaker in 2002 made a board to display them on and added five > show buttons from Brownsville, PA , Southern Indiana, Findlay, Ohio, > Portland and WMC Fall Harvest Days. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 26 19:13:54 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:13:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers In-Reply-To: <019001c84817$197e3b90$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <162285.41838.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <019001c84817$197e3b90$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <85F9F947-291F-4C87-A516-025CA015B3D5@alltel.net> That was her first husband? Dave On Dec 26, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Dave Ernst wrote: > They resided in England with Helen French (husband Don?) From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Thu Dec 27 01:50:32 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 01:50:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas All Message-ID: <213347.4963.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Try again with a different address, sent using ozengine but bounced because of ... while talking to gateway.mchsi.com.: >>> MAIL From: SIZE=1572 <<< 550-211.29.132.193 blocked by ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=mso,dc=att,dc=net <<< 550 Blocked for abuse. Please contact the administrator of your ISP or sending mailservice. 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas All > > G'Day Mate > Thank you for your kind words, Donna has improved greatly, although see > tires easy she is back to how she was before her turn at our place. > Hope you all had a great time this week and Santa was kind to you 8-)) > Christmas day was the coldest here that I can remember, usually we put up > a > cover to keep the hot sun off us but this year it was to keep the cold > wind > and drizzle rain off us, so much for global warming. > But that did not stop me spoiling the 4 grand kids specially my daughters > 12 > month old boy and my sons 5 month old girl, all the family home was great. > > Have a great and happy new year > > all the best > > Kerry > > > >> >> I hope your daughter gets well soon. She had a close call there. >> >> Merry Christmas! >> >> Take care - Elden >> > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 27 02:01:57 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:01:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas All References: <213347.4963.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01e201c84870$aa4c4000$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hey! it got here!!! I get this crap all the time! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas All > Try again with a different address, sent using ozengine but bounced > because > of > ... while talking to gateway.mchsi.com.: >>>> MAIL From: SIZE=1572 > <<< 550-211.29.132.193 blocked by ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=mso,dc=att,dc=net > <<< 550 Blocked for abuse. Please contact the administrator of your ISP > or > sending mailservice. > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas All > >> >> G'Day Mate >> Thank you for your kind words, Donna has improved greatly, although see >> tires easy she is back to how she was before her turn at our place. >> Hope you all had a great time this week and Santa was kind to you 8-)) >> Christmas day was the coldest here that I can remember, usually we put up >> a >> cover to keep the hot sun off us but this year it was to keep the cold >> wind >> and drizzle rain off us, so much for global warming. >> But that did not stop me spoiling the 4 grand kids specially my daughters >> 12 >> month old boy and my sons 5 month old girl, all the family home was >> great. >> >> Have a great and happy new year >> >> all the best >> >> Kerry >> >> >> >>> >>> I hope your daughter gets well soon. She had a close call there. >>> >>> Merry Christmas! >>> >>> Take care - Elden >>> >> > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail > now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 27 02:43:48 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:43:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers In-Reply-To: <20071226.184640.296.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <234390.22433.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Also, http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers1.jpg http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers3.jpg Here are pix of past caretakers. http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers4.jpg http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers2.jpg Alan rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: Try this. http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/WFITBHFP.jpg On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:47:46 -0500 fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > Ahhhhh, yes. That all sounds VERY familiar!! Any chance of adding a > pic of the > "goodies" with the Blue Handled Fence Pliers to the auction? Or > maybe a link > to a pic? > > See ya, Arnie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 27 07:44:22 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:44:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers In-Reply-To: <234390.22433.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <234390.22433.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan, Man, that's EXCELLENT!! That's the stuff I was remembering. WOW! Talk about HISTORY! Clearly that's gotta DOUBLE the current bid price!! Bid early, bid often, and bid against yourself if possible!! See ya, Arnie PS - Does anyone know if "Br30terrorist" is an engine guy or a FATG? On Thu, 27 Dec 2007, Alan Bowen wrote: > Also, > http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers1.jpg > http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers3.jpg > > Here are pix of past caretakers. > http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers4.jpg > http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers2.jpg > > Alan > > rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: Try this. > http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/WFITBHFP.jpg From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 27 07:53:03 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:53:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! Message-ID: Hi folks, I think y'all will enjoy this bit of good news from Rick relative to the Tod Engine Project. Be sure to check out the Tod Engine Project web site for pictures and additional info. http://www.todengine.org/ Speaking personally, I can say that the weekends spent helping to dismantle the Tod Engine were about the most fun that an engine man (or woman) can have with their clothes on. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:32:23 -0500 From: Rick Rowlands To: Subject: Tod Engine Project- Good News! Over the past week the Tod Engine Foundation has brought in $9,000 for the Tod Engine House construction project! The money represents a $2,000 gift from Daniel Becker of Struthers, OH, $2,000 from the sale of an asset and $5,000 gift from the William B. Pollock Co. Foundation. The Pollock check arrived in the mail today, and I was literally dancing around the engine with it in my hand! :-) My 12 year old dream of saving the Tod Engine and restoring it is coming true, piece by piece. With these latest donations the purchase of the steel building will be fully funded. There is still one more contribution that we are expecting, and when that comes in the foundation work for the building will be fully paid for. There is still much more to do and I will be working on the second phase of our capital campaign, but for now its time to sit back and appreciate just how far we have come. Just think, in 1995 when I discovered the Tod Engine, it was sitting deep in an active steel mill scheduled for demolition. I was 22 years old, never been in a steel mill before in my life, had no money and no idea what I was doing. The first miracle was getting North Star Steel to donate the engine, which had a high scrap value to them. The next miracle was getting 250 tons of parts taken apart, moved and stored and do it for under $10,000. With the help of a great bunch of guys from the Stationary Engine List we got that done. The Tod family paid for half of that and I maxed out a credit card to pay the rest. Four years went by before I found a piece of property that I could afford to buy for the engine. Some may not think it to be the ideal location but for what I could afford its better than nothing. So I forked over another 15k to buy the land (I'm still paying that line of credit off). Then it took another six years to move all the parts to the new site, and much more money. I don't keep track of how much of my personal money goes into the project but as you can tell from the ratty truck I drive I don't spend anything on me! During 2007 we decided to go big time, set our sights high and put up a good quality steel building for the engine. With the leadership of the Tod family we have raised $18,500 from local foundations this year, bringing the total income of the Foundation to over $40k. 2008 we will continue to build upon this and raise additional money to finish off the building and grounds while I spend all of next summer actually erecting the structure.(I don't hire contractors, I'll do all this work myelf). Come 2009 we hope that our building will be finished and the engine cosmetically restored enough to hold an official grand opening for the Tod Engine Heritage Park! So its a very Merry Christmas here at the Tod Engine Foundation! I can't believe the incredibly good year 2007 has been to us. Thanks everyone for your continued support of our project. God bless! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org http://todengine.blogspot.com/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 27 07:18:11 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:18:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! References: Message-ID: <003b01c8489b$b22418e0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Where are those photos of the gas up they just had at his place ? Daves truck parked by the crank , etc . That sounds a bit redundant doesnt it ? Dave's truck parked NEXT TO the crankshaft . From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Dec 27 13:21:37 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:21:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47741761.4020400@scrtc.com> Wow Arnie, Rick has a super web site and is doing a tremendous job on this project. I wish I had the tenacity to do such a project. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi folks, > >I think y'all will enjoy this bit of good news from Rick >relative to the Tod Engine Project. > >Be sure to check out the Tod Engine Project web site for pictures and >additional info. http://www.todengine.org/ > >Speaking personally, I can say that the weekends spent helping to >dismantle the Tod Engine were about the most fun that an engine man (or >woman) can have with their clothes on. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >- > From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 27 13:56:20 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:56:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! References: <47741761.4020400@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00e801c848d3$50e78a70$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Totally unreal what youth, talent and determination can do .. what a project and site to behold, ... in awe! Paul Waugh - Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! > Wow Arnie, Rick has a super web site and is doing a tremendous job on > this project. I wish I had the tenacity to do such a project. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>Hi folks, >> >>I think y'all will enjoy this bit of good news from Rick >>relative to the Tod Engine Project. >> >>Be sure to check out the Tod Engine Project web site for pictures and >>additional info. http://www.todengine.org/ >> >>Speaking personally, I can say that the weekends spent helping to >>dismantle the Tod Engine were about the most fun that an engine man (or >>woman) can have with their clothes on. 8-)) >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>- >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Thu Dec 27 21:41:09 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:41:09 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! References: <47741761.4020400@scrtc.com> <00e801c848d3$50e78a70$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <005401c84914$436c3e40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Rick that is impressive undertaking for a moter that humongous a giant among stationary engines very lucky to have been able to salvage it for restoraton what a great exhibition piece.To you and the team i salute you all for a job well done many hours of team planning to get it to this stage i bet ..well done..you have my utmost respect brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Waugh" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! > Totally unreal what youth, talent and determination can do .. what a project > and site to behold, ... in awe! > > Paul Waugh - Indiana > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! > > > > Wow Arnie, Rick has a super web site and is doing a tremendous job on > > this project. I wish I had the tenacity to do such a project. > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY > > > > > >>Hi folks, > >> > >>I think y'all will enjoy this bit of good news from Rick > >>relative to the Tod Engine Project. > >> > >>Be sure to check out the Tod Engine Project web site for pictures and > >>additional info. http://www.todengine.org/ > >> > >>Speaking personally, I can say that the weekends spent helping to > >>dismantle the Tod Engine were about the most fun that an engine man (or > >>woman) can have with their clothes on. 8-)) > >> > >>See ya, Arnie > >> > >>Arnie Fero > >>Pittsburgh, PA > >>fero_ah at city-net.com > >> > >>- > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM > > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Dec 28 15:22:54 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:22:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Back in July we were loading our Oil City/South Penn Half-breed engine to take to our county fair. The engine is on skids and when we take it to a show we just back our flat bead trailer up to the engine and hook a winch to the skids. It normally just comes right up on the trailer no big deal. Well, this time it didn't work too well. The engine was sitting on wood blocks to keep it off the ground. When the front of the engine slid off the block it caused the engine to tip over. When it tipped over the left flywheel landed on the skid of the 15 HP Reid sitting next to it. You guessed it, all the spokes broke out of the flywheel. We were just sick. So, if you have any leads on were we might be able to pick up another flywheel please let me know. For all the gruesome details I've posted before and after pictures here: http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm Learn from our miss fortune and be extra careful when loading those engines From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 28 15:35:36 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:35:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059057B6130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Keith, Since the neither the hub or ring of the flywheel broke, couldn't you just weld the spokes back in place? Afterall, you have all the pieces. It would be best if you could find a replacement, but I have no idea on how difficult finding another will be. I'm sure someone will say the spokes couldn't be welded back in place, so I'd like for them to explain why it technically can't be done rather than the usual fear mongering. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 3:23 PM To: ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. Back in July we were loading our Oil City/South Penn Half-breed engine to take to our county fair. The engine is on skids and when we take it to a show we just back our flat bead trailer up to the engine and hook a winch to the skids. It normally just comes right up on the trailer no big deal. Well, this time it didn't work too well. The engine was sitting on wood blocks to keep it off the ground. When the front of the engine slid off the block it caused the engine to tip over. When it tipped over the left flywheel landed on the skid of the 15 HP Reid sitting next to it. You guessed it, all the spokes broke out of the flywheel. We were just sick. So, if you have any leads on were we might be able to pick up another flywheel please let me know. For all the gruesome details I've posted before and after pictures here: http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm Learn from our miss fortune and be extra careful when loading those engines _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Dec 28 15:45:20 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:45:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. It was in bad repair needing all the wood replaced and some of the metal parts repaired/replaced. My son took this on as a 4-H Americana project and we got it pretty much done this summer. He received a grand champion for his efforts. I just finished posting some pictures here: http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm It was a great project and we still have some pin striping and minor things to do but all in all I'm very pleased with the outcome. Keith Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Dec 28 15:50:13 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:50:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059057B6130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.a d.adp.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059057B6130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <200712281850740.SM04548@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> George I'm sure a good welder could do the job and it would probably be ok. But, that is a lot of weight spinning around and if it should come apart it could be deadly. It's not that rare of an engine so I hope to be able to find a replacement flywheel. There's go to be some left in the woods. After all the flywheel is probably the last thing to wear out on these old engines, unless you do something to them like I did.:-) Keith At 05:35 PM 12/28/2007, you wrote: >Keith, > >Since the neither the hub or ring of the flywheel broke, couldn't you >just weld the spokes back in place? > >Afterall, you have all the pieces. > >It would be best if you could find a replacement, but I have no idea on >how difficult finding another will be. > >I'm sure someone will say the spokes couldn't be welded back in place, >so I'd like for them to explain why it technically can't be done rather >than the usual fear mongering. > >George > Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Dec 28 15:50:35 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:50:35 +1300 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <002301c849ac$71f9ad90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Keith my condolences that was tragic hopefully there is a donar out there with a spare one for you still a cool looking engine brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:22 PM Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. > Back in July we were loading our Oil City/South Penn Half-breed > engine to take to our county fair. The engine is on skids and when > we take it to a show we just back our flat bead trailer up to the > engine and hook a winch to the skids. It normally just comes right > up on the trailer no big deal. Well, this time it didn't work too > well. The engine was sitting on wood blocks to keep it off the > ground. When the front of the engine slid off the block it caused > the engine to tip over. When it tipped over the left flywheel landed > on the skid of the 15 HP Reid sitting next to it. You guessed it, > all the spokes broke out of the flywheel. We were just sick. So, if > you have any leads on were we might be able to pick up another > flywheel please let me know. For all the gruesome details I've > posted before and after pictures here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm > > Learn from our miss fortune and be extra careful when loading those engines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM > > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Dec 28 16:23:55 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:23:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <002301c849ac$71f9ad90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <002301c849ac$71f9ad90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <200712281924261.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Thanks Bent. Yep, sure makes me sick to look at the engine. It is one of my favorite engines too. Ran real well and to think it is well over 100 years old. Keith At 05:50 PM 12/28/2007, you wrote: >Keith my condolences that was tragic hopefully there is a donar out there >with a spare one for you still a cool looking engine brentnz > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Keith Kinney" >To: >Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:22 PM >Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. > > > > Back in July we were loading our Oil City/South Penn Half-breed > > engine to take to our county fair. The engine is on skids and when > > we take it to a show we just back our flat bead trailer up to the > > engine and hook a winch to the skids. It normally just comes right > > up on the trailer no big deal. Well, this time it didn't work too > > well. The engine was sitting on wood blocks to keep it off the > > ground. When the front of the engine slid off the block it caused > > the engine to tip over. When it tipped over the left flywheel landed > > on the skid of the 15 HP Reid sitting next to it. You guessed it, > > all the spokes broke out of the flywheel. We were just sick. So, if > > you have any leads on were we might be able to pick up another > > flywheel please let me know. For all the gruesome details I've > > posted before and after pictures here: > > http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm > > > > Learn from our miss fortune and be extra careful when loading those >engines > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: >12/28/2007 11:51 AM > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1198 - Release Date: >12/26/2007 5:26 PM Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From rex002 at centurytel.net Fri Dec 28 16:34:05 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:34:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712282324.lBSNOIbm031525@mail926c35.nsolutionszone.com> Message-ID: <001301c849b2$85e17210$6500a8c0@home> Keith; I think I know how you feel , it puts a big knot in the tummy , I did the same with a small engine and I broke a main bearing cap , I would think the bigger the engine the bigger the knot in the tummy , when we load and unload engines engines some times it gets too easy and things go wrong because we drop our guard , I have learned my lesson and I really feel bad for you and I bet it will not happen to you again , I hope you find a flywheel soon and cheap , I sure would like to see the engine running, thanks for sharing your misshap and pictures. Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" < Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. > > http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm > > Learn from our miss fortune and be extra careful when loading those > engines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Dec 28 16:43:48 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:43:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <200712290044.lBT0iEwK034691@mail-gw.fsr.net> Keith, I feel your pain. I'm not advocating it, only reporting what I saw. At the Oscar's Dreamland auction of a decade ago, there was an engine up for sale that had suffered the same fate. The rim of the flywheel remained intact, so someone welded the spokes back in with nickel-based arc-welding rod. In contrast to the gray and rust colors of cast iron, those twelve shiny repairs stuck out like a sore thumb. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 3:23 PM To: ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. Back in July we were loading our Oil City/South Penn Half-breed engine to take to our county fair. The engine is on skids and when we take it to a show we just back our flat bead trailer up to the engine and hook a winch to the skids. It normally just comes right up on the trailer no big deal. Well, this time it didn't work too well. The engine was sitting on wood blocks to keep it off the ground. When the front of the engine slid off the block it caused the engine to tip over. When it tipped over the left flywheel landed on the skid of the 15 HP Reid sitting next to it. You guessed it, all the spokes broke out of the flywheel. We were just sick. So, if you have any leads on were we might be able to pick up another flywheel please let me know. For all the gruesome details I've posted before and after pictures here: http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm Learn from our miss fortune and be extra careful when loading those engines _______________________________________________ From ottawa at pa.net Fri Dec 28 17:00:34 2007 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:00:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <019101c849b6$38886ec0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> That is a work of art!!! Helen He received a grand champion for his efforts. I just finished posting some pictures here: http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm It was a great project and we still have some pin striping and minor things to do but all in all I'm very pleased with the outcome. Keith Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com _______________________________________________ From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Fri Dec 28 17:15:39 2007 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:15:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <001801c849b8$5335bd20$0300000a@Andy> Very nice Keith, a credit to your son. I hope he realises that he not only restored some early yank history, but some family history as well. Will his grand kids like it as much? I hope so. Andy Nicholson Townsville Qld OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: ; "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update > Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my > Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. It was in bad repair > needing all the wood replaced and some of the metal parts > repaired/replaced. My son took this on as a 4-H Americana project > and we got it pretty much done this summer. He received a grand > champion for his efforts. I just finished posting some pictures here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm > It was a great project and we still have some pin striping and minor > things to do but all in all I'm very pleased with the outcome. > Keith > > > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Dec 28 17:35:45 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:35:45 +1300 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <002501c849bb$2268e1b0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Keith great project with the cider mill looks fantastic its a great hobby restoring old machinery even better if they have a history with the family i would think your great grandad would be proud will be nice to have a nice cool cider during those long hot summers makes me thirstythinking about it.I though your section on casting was really interesting skys the limit once you have a forge thanks brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: ; "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update > Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my > Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. It was in bad repair > needing all the wood replaced and some of the metal parts > repaired/replaced. My son took this on as a 4-H Americana project > and we got it pretty much done this summer. He received a grand > champion for his efforts. I just finished posting some pictures here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm > It was a great project and we still have some pin striping and minor > things to do but all in all I'm very pleased with the outcome. > Keith > > > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sat Dec 29 02:41:47 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:41:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059057B6130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net><200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059057B6130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <8FFA36E8AC4540AE99D341290F3BD455@KerryPC> G'Day Keith Feeling sick would not start to describe my feelings if it happened to me, sorry to hear of your problems Welding from a company that guarantee's there work if you can find one would be an alternative for a replacement, but as Tom said they look to be very spindly for the task at hand, but that is no reason that they could not be welded stronger than original. for George not fear mongering, the welding process should not be a problem but I see keeping the hub and rim perfectly in line after the repair the major problem, maybe a jig to keep it all square would work, either way big time and $. Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ > Keith, > > Since the neither the hub or ring of the flywheel broke, couldn't you > just weld the spokes back in place? > > Afterall, you have all the pieces. > > It would be best if you could find a replacement, but I have no idea on > how difficult finding another will be. > > I'm sure someone will say the spokes couldn't be welded back in place, > so I'd like for them to explain why it technically can't be done rather > than the usual fear mongering. > > George From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 29 06:20:22 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:20:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net><200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059057B6130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <8FFA36E8AC4540AE99D341290F3BD455@KerryPC> Message-ID: <009701c84a25$f324f4f0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Sure glad nobody got pinched . If you didnt bend the canks much , this could turn out pretty good . You gotta find a curved spoke the same sized bore or smaller .It doesn't have to be exactly the same size rim either . The greater the difference the smoother the engine runs . Try it,you'll see what I mean ;-) . Its an opportunity to do some real coon tuning . Finding two curved spoked wheels that will work might be a bit much to ask , but then you can point the spokes in opposite directions . That makes em run really SMOOTH aahaaa Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 29 09:04:30 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:04:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <1198947870.47767e1e71a3e@webmail.city-net.com> Keith, As an eternal optimist, I'll say to look on the bright side. NOW you have a nice bolt-on weight ring for the engine. 8-)) Good luck on the flywheel hunt. I'll bet you can find one by spring. See ya, Arnie Quoting Keith Kinney : > Back in July we were loading our Oil City/South Penn Half-breed > engine to take to our county fair. The engine is on skids and when > we take it to a show we just back our flat bead trailer up to the > engine and hook a winch to the skids. It normally just comes right > up on the trailer no big deal. Well, this time it didn't work too > well. The engine was sitting on wood blocks to keep it off the > ground. When the front of the engine slid off the block it caused > the engine to tip over. When it tipped over the left flywheel landed > on the skid of the 15 HP Reid sitting next to it. You guessed it, > all the spokes broke out of the flywheel. We were just sick. So, if > you have any leads on were we might be able to pick up another > flywheel please let me know. For all the gruesome details I've > posted before and after pictures here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Dec 29 09:36:05 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:36:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <008601c84a41$4a97a140$726f4b47@mikecomp> Absolutely gorgeous. I know you are both proud of the work and results. What a great father son memory. I can remember my brother Steve throwing wrenches even today! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: ; "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Cc: ; Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:45 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update > Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my > Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. It was in bad repair > needing all the wood replaced and some of the metal parts > repaired/replaced. My son took this on as a 4-H Americana project > and we got it pretty much done this summer. He received a grand > champion for his efforts. I just finished posting some pictures here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm > It was a great project and we still have some pin striping and minor > things to do but all in all I'm very pleased with the outcome. > Keith > > > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Dec 29 23:46:51 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:46:51 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <001b01c84ab8$27a39910$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Great Job Keith ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: ; "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:45 AM Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update > Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my > Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. It was in bad repair > needing all the wood replaced and some of the metal parts > repaired/replaced. My son took this on as a 4-H Americana project > and we got it pretty much done this summer. He received a grand > champion for his efforts. I just finished posting some pictures here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm > It was a great project and we still have some pin striping and minor > things to do but all in all I'm very pleased with the outcome. > Keith > > > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From twoferals at yahoo.com.au Sun Dec 30 00:41:55 2007 From: twoferals at yahoo.com.au (twoferals) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:41:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Z - a two headed beast ?????? Message-ID: <477759D3.6060202@yahoo.com.au> To whom it may concern, or whoever wants to go to the trouble, We start with the carcus and internals of a 1.5HP Z model. We have no carby, no gov gear and no maggy. The question is:- can this be made into a "hit & miss" or a "throttle governed" engine just by bolting on the appropriate parts (ac/dc), or, is there something hiding in this carcus that I am oblivious too, that will only allow it to lean one way (ac or dc). TIA Al From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 01:35:47 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:35:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Urgent engine question Message-ID: <001a01c84ac7$5baeaa60$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all My R&V vertical flywheels and crankshaft are in the machine shop being repaired and I need to know something urgently. They are sitting in the lathe waiting for a reply. Reg and I know where they are and the machinist is an extemely competant steam/ engine guy, but we need to make sure. My two flywheels have been botched in Argentina and we need to get them right. Both flywheels are different and we are making two complete new hubs. 1. On the flywheels, is the crankshaft keyway usually 180 Deg opposite the flywheel counter weight. 2. Is the flywheel counter weight opposite the crank pin? so if the engine were on TDC, the flywheel counter weights would be at the bottom. I am probably answering my own question here, but I have the crank out and if it were facing TDC position the keyways are also on top, so the flywheel weights would be at the bottom, YES or NO Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Dec 30 03:11:38 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:11:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates Message-ID: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> For no particular reason ;) Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? Thanks, Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From nick at holden1.net Sun Dec 30 04:13:44 2007 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:13:44 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <47778B78.000004.03984@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Patrick For the 1000 engine rally have a look at http://www.1000engines.co.uk/ Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From: Patrick M Livingstone Date: 30/12/2007 11:15:04 To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates For no particular reason ;) Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? Thanks, Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html . From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Dec 30 04:31:47 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:31:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates In-Reply-To: <47778B78.000004.03984@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <20071230123146.QIEZ25013.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Thanks Nick. I tried that one & the only dates I can find seem to be out of date. I thought I would take a punt that someone on the list might know off hand so I can do some forward planning ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick For the 1000 engine rally have a look at http://www.1000engines.co.uk/ Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Dec 30 05:16:26 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:16:26 EST Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update Message-ID: In a message dated 12/28/2007 6:53:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, kkinney at herculesengines.com writes: Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. Keith, Great job on the cider mill! I know your son is proud of his accomplishment and award. The photograph of the mill looking outside from your shop (P7200104) I believe shows a log tobacco(?) barn with a side shed on it. It appears to be a great looking barn! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 30 05:33:47 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:33:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Urgent engine question In-Reply-To: <001a01c84ac7$5baeaa60$0601a8c0@altech> References: <001a01c84ac7$5baeaa60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <47779E3B.5050807@scrtc.com> Peter, You are correct. If the piston is at TDC, the counter weight will be at the furthest point away from the cylinder. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Peter Lowe wrote: >Hi all > >My R&V vertical flywheels and crankshaft are in the machine shop being >repaired and I need to know something urgently. They are sitting in the >lathe waiting for a reply. >Reg and I know where they are and the machinist is an extemely competant >steam/ engine guy, but we need to make sure. My two flywheels have been >botched in Argentina and we need to get them right. >Both flywheels are different and we are making two complete new hubs. > >1. On the flywheels, is the crankshaft keyway usually 180 Deg opposite the >flywheel counter weight. > >2. Is the flywheel counter weight opposite the crank pin? so if the engine >were on TDC, the flywheel counter weights would be at the bottom. > >I am probably answering my own question here, but I have the crank out and >if it were facing TDC position the keyways are also on top, so the flywheel >weights would be at the bottom, YES or NO > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 30 05:39:56 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:39:56 -0000 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <47778B78.000004.03984@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <004901c84ae9$786e7780$0dc20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Holden" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] European Rally Dates > > > > > Hi Patrick > For the 1000 engine rally have a look at > http://www.1000engines.co.uk/ > > Nick > Banbury (UK) > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden Hi Patrick, Neunen is 11th & 12th May 2008 1000 Engine is 21st & 22nd June 2008 see http://www.1000engines.co.uk/ Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldironnut at alltel.net Sun Dec 30 06:28:17 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:28:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update In-Reply-To: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> Keith Kinney wrote: > Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my > Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. Keith, You and Isaac should be VERY PROUD of how the cider mill turned out because that is absolutely beautiful! He has done several really great restorations hasn't he? As for the Oil City..... bummer! I bet that after the initial "WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED" you were just sick! That's a big problem with our toys, they're big and little shifts in weight turn into BIG problems. I'm glad that y'all were safe and that the flywheel was the only casualty. If I hear of another flywheel I'll let you know. Take care and Happy New Year, Mike From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Dec 30 08:08:04 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:08:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Urgent engine question In-Reply-To: <001a01c84ac7$5baeaa60$0601a8c0@altech> References: <001a01c84ac7$5baeaa60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: Hi Peter, The purpose of the weight (ie a heavier place in a flywheel) or a lighter place in the flywheel (ie material removed from a flywheel-- either by casting or by machining) is to "off set" the weight of the throws of the crank. Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 30, 2007, at 4:35 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > > My R&V vertical flywheels and crankshaft are in the machine shop being > repaired and I need to know something urgently. They are sitting in > the > lathe waiting for a reply. > Reg and I know where they are and the machinist is an extemely > competant > steam/ engine guy, but we need to make sure. My two flywheels have > been > botched in Argentina and we need to get them right. > Both flywheels are different and we are making two complete new hubs. > > 1. On the flywheels, is the crankshaft keyway usually 180 Deg > opposite the > flywheel counter weight. > > 2. Is the flywheel counter weight opposite the crank pin? so if the > engine > were on TDC, the flywheel counter weights would be at the bottom. > > I am probably answering my own question here, but I have the crank > out and > if it were facing TDC position the keyways are also on top, so the > flywheel > weights would be at the bottom, YES or NO > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Dec 30 08:13:17 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:13:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates In-Reply-To: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <2283E2A3-948E-4D34-8C64-BA7B4A1C4D11@alltel.net> Hi Patrick, Yes! Dave On Dec 30, 2007, at 6:11 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the > Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? > Thanks, > Patrick From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 30 09:28:50 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:28:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Neat English Engine Recovery Tale Message-ID: <1199035730.4777d5527a6cc@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Folks, Y'all might enjoy this engine recovery tale from the English Newsgroup. Great pics as well. http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_frm/thread/231d8c27ae32666e?hl=en-GB http://www.tangye.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2637 See ya, Arnie PS - It's never too late to make a donation to the Internal Fire Museum. http://www.internalfire.com/index.php Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Dec 30 10:12:42 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:12:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Neat English Engine Recovery Tale References: <1199035730.4777d5527a6cc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Thanks Arn...great mornin' fix!!! RickinMt. > Hiya Folks, > > Y'all might enjoy this engine recovery tale from the English Newsgroup. > Great pics as well. > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_frm/thread/231d8c27ae32666e?hl=en-GB > > http://www.tangye.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2637 > > See ya, Arnie From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 30 12:50:27 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:50:27 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT pictures of trams in Montreal in the 1950's Message-ID: <00af01c84b25$9ce5d400$0dc20b52@intrepid> I have a Belgian friend who has given me access to the Belgian news groups. Someone has posted 20 pictures of trams in Montreal, Canada in the 1950's. As the newsgroup isn't easily accessible I have put the pictures on my Webshots site in case they are of interest to other engine men. (If you are crazy enough to love engines you might be crazy enough to like old trams) 8^) see http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561943771iQGGlk Happy New Year to everybody!! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 12:56:20 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:56:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000d01c84b26$6e4c6540$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Patrick For no particular reason my ASS ;-)))))) You might as well tell us your plans now mate. Peter, Oz > For no particular reason ;) > Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the > Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? > Thanks, > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at btes.tv Sun Dec 30 12:57:15 2007 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:57:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT pictures of trams in Montreal in the 1950's In-Reply-To: <00af01c84b25$9ce5d400$0dc20b52@intrepid> References: <00af01c84b25$9ce5d400$0dc20b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <88d488f3fd8a4a9439737e1c9aaa12d7@btes.tv> That's cool. I remember similar ones running in Birmingham, Alabama. John On Dec 30, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Dave Croft wrote: > I have a Belgian friend who has given me access to the Belgian news > groups. > Someone has posted 20 pictures of trams in Montreal, Canada in the > 1950's. > As the newsgroup isn't easily accessible I have put the pictures on my > Webshots site > in case they are of interest to other engine men. > (If you are crazy enough to love engines you might be crazy enough to > like old trams) 8^) > see http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561943771iQGGlk > Happy New Year to everybody!! > Dave Croft John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 13:08:45 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:08:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thanks for urgent engine info Message-ID: <001901c84b28$2a285340$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Thanks for reinforcing what I already knew, I just wanted to make sure there were no anomalies. The lathe is spinning as I type, one flywheel is repaired already. Looks like they had come seriously loose a number of times while in Argentina and major hub damaged was done. My mate is making two complete new hubs for both flywheels then we start on repairing the broken crank. I am casting new babbit bearings next weekend here at home, then we meet up at the end of January to put it all together. My mate is in Newcastle where my folks live, 5 1/4 hours drive from here. Regards to all and Happy New Year for 2008. Peter, Oz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Dec 30 13:35:46 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:35:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates In-Reply-To: <004901c84ae9$786e7780$0dc20b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <20071230213544.VBEN19013.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Thanks Dave. That is the info I was after. It is interesting that the 2008 dates did not appear on the 1000 engine website until after I sent them an email (to which they did not reply). Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Monday, 31 December 2007 12:40 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] European Rally Dates ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Holden" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] European Rally Dates > > > > > Hi Patrick > For the 1000 engine rally have a look at > http://www.1000engines.co.uk/ > > Nick > Banbury (UK) > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden Hi Patrick, Neunen is 11th & 12th May 2008 1000 Engine is 21st & 22nd June 2008 see http://www.1000engines.co.uk/ Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Dec 30 13:46:11 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:46:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates In-Reply-To: <000d01c84b26$6e4c6540$0601a8c0@altech> References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <000d01c84b26$6e4c6540$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071231084345.02072f20@ncable.com.au> Come on Patrick, we all want to know HER name!!! Your mates in Sydney let the cat out of the bag some time back but all has been quiet, now you have shelved the USA trip, your renovating the kitchen !!!! and maybe planing a trip to the UK mmmmmm, sounds a lot like some outside influences here :-) Russell At 07:56 AM 31/12/2007, you wrote: >Hi Patrick >For no particular reason my ASS ;-)))))) >You might as well tell us your plans now mate. > >Peter, Oz > > > > For no particular reason ;) > > Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the > > Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? > > Thanks, > > Patrick > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Dec 30 14:08:51 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:08:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><000d01c84b26$6e4c6540$0601a8c0@altech> <7.0.1.0.1.20071231084345.02072f20@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <016b01c84b34$778226a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Well, she IS a Pommie nurse! Too nice for him!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] European Rally Dates > Come on Patrick, we all want to know HER name!!! Your mates in > Sydney let the cat out of the bag some time back but all has been > quiet, now you have shelved the USA trip, your renovating the kitchen > !!!! and maybe planing a trip to the UK mmmmmm, sounds a lot like > some outside influences here :-) > > Russell > > > At 07:56 AM 31/12/2007, you wrote: >>Hi Patrick >>For no particular reason my ASS ;-)))))) >>You might as well tell us your plans now mate. >> >>Peter, Oz >> >> >> > For no particular reason ;) >> > Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the >> > Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? >> > Thanks, >> > Patrick >> > >> > Patrick M Livingstone >> > Leichhardt NSW >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Dec 30 14:47:30 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:47:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates In-Reply-To: <000d01c84b26$6e4c6540$0601a8c0@altech> References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <000d01c84b26$6e4c6540$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <716BB808-31FC-4D5D-9748-99B5EDC8ABDA@rustyiron.com> On Dec 30, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Patrick > For no particular reason my ASS ;-)))))) > You might as well tell us your plans now mate. Rumor has it that Patrick is scheming to rape us Yanks of our heritage. As we speak, patriotic enginemen across the country are hiding their Root & Vandervoorts in their root cellars. Fellow Americans, if you see this bloke lurking around, http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/rvfeb9.jpg offer him a Fosters and a kangaroo burger, and tell him all the Roots were burned for fuel in the great blizzard of '04. From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun Dec 30 14:47:44 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:47:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Trams railways: was pictures of trams in Montreal in the 1950's In-Reply-To: <00af01c84b25$9ce5d400$0dc20b52@intrepid> References: <00af01c84b25$9ce5d400$0dc20b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <47782010.2050603@xplornet.com> Check out if you like tram railways. many of these are operational. Or, assess the link from Rupert Dave Croft wrote: > I have a Belgian friend who has given me access to the Belgian news groups. > Someone has posted 20 pictures of trams in Montreal, Canada in the 1950's. > As the newsgroup isn't easily accessible I have put the pictures on my Webshots site > in case they are of interest to other engine men. > (If you are crazy enough to love engines you might be crazy enough to like old trams) 8^) > see http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561943771iQGGlk > Happy New Year to everybody!! > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Dec 30 15:50:46 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:50:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071231014452.00bbce00@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Why is the Charity Auction called the ATIS Charity Auction ? I do not see much stuff from the FATG's - it should be called the SEL Charity Auction !! (Just a joke - do not reply). There are some really nice Maytag decals there and now some Wolseley stuff which may be of interest to the Aussies or Brits. (:-)) Look Here: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 28/12/2007 11:51 AM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 16:00:24 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:00:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Neat English Engine Recovery Tale In-Reply-To: <1199035730.4777d5527a6cc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <584156.13338.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone have an engine similar to this one that says, "METZ." across the top? I sure would love to have one. I have the rear drive parts for a Metz car and lots of pictures of this easy to build car. The flywheel on a Metz engine is the friction plate that my parts will mate to. Then a couple pieces of channel iron and a wooden car from there. It would be a very fun project if I could just find that engine. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: Hiya Folks, Y'all might enjoy this engine recovery tale from the English Newsgroup. Great pics as well. http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_frm/thread/231d8c27ae32666e?hl=en-GB http://www.tangye.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2637 See ya, Arnie PS - It's never too late to make a donation to the Internal Fire Museum. http://www.internalfire.com/index.php Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 17:14:04 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:14:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Trams railways: was pictures of trams in Montreal in the 1950's In-Reply-To: <47782010.2050603@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <596951.50620.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very nice, Rupert, Buddy. It is great to see all they are doing to preserve those cars. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Rupert wrote: Check out if you like tram railways. many of these are operational. Or, assess the link from Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Dec 30 17:43:26 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:43:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! Message-ID: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. http://www2.steamengine.com.au/NK2.jpg This is powered by a 20hp Kohler two cylinder engine and drives the trolley through a gearbox (salvaged from a power boat). Final drive to the axles is by chain and sprocket. Of our collection, this little trolley is probably the most fun to drive and certainly the best in really hot weather. Today is expected to be 43C (approx 110F) and at 11.25 is already at 37C (approx 99F) here in Emerald Victoria so the 43C does seem plausible. Tonights train will also be a crankup - because it is has been declared Extreme Fire Danger a Total Fire Ban is in force here today so the railway is running diesels instead of the usual steam hauled services. Tonight's train is likely to be hauled by DH31 an ex Queensland Railways diesel locomotive. In this sort of weather I'm torn between attending my rostered volunteer job and staying home to look after the house in case of bushfire. Sigh. What a choice... I've activated my fire plan and put out all the water drums and the mops and brought the garden hose inside and hooked it up to the washing machine tap. I haven't put the bung plugs into the rain gutters and filled them up yet - I usually only do that if there is a burn going locally - big waste of water otherwise. More info: Puffing Billy http://www.puffingbilly.com.au/ Watch a video of DH31 in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpAHUSTxmp0# What is a Total Fire Ban? http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/restrictions/index.htm Regards Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 18:01:48 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:01:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloodyHOT here! References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <001701c84b51$1ad303d0$0701a8c0@KAYE> Yep, 1 second past midnight Kaye's Maytag will be running, yes Dave you read correct, as it starts first kick. ;-)) Peter, Oz > I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a > special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own > engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. > > http://www2.steamengine.com.au/NK2.jpg > > This is powered by a 20hp Kohler two cylinder engine and drives the > trolley through a gearbox (salvaged from a power boat). Final drive to > the axles is by chain and sprocket. Of our collection, this little > trolley is probably the most fun to drive and certainly the best in > really hot weather. Today is expected to be 43C (approx 110F) and at > 11.25 is already at 37C (approx 99F) here in Emerald Victoria so the 43C > does seem plausible. > > Tonights train will also be a crankup - because it is has been declared > Extreme Fire Danger a Total Fire Ban is in force here today so the > railway is running diesels instead of the usual steam hauled services. > Tonight's train is likely to be hauled by DH31 an ex Queensland Railways > diesel locomotive. > > In this sort of weather I'm torn between attending my rostered volunteer > job and staying home to look after the house in case of bushfire. Sigh. > What a choice... I've activated my fire plan and put out all the water > drums and the mops and brought the garden hose inside and hooked it up > to the washing machine tap. I haven't put the bung plugs into the rain > gutters and filled them up yet - I usually only do that if there is a > burn going locally - big waste of water otherwise. > > More info: > Puffing Billy http://www.puffingbilly.com.au/ > Watch a video of DH31 in action > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpAHUSTxmp0# > What is a Total Fire Ban? http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/restrictions/index.htm > > Regards > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 18:53:09 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:53:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000301c84b58$47219e90$0601a8c0@altech> testing for someone here in oz From twoferals at yahoo.com.au Sun Dec 30 18:56:00 2007 From: twoferals at yahoo.com.au (twoferals) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:56:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] plowe test Message-ID: <47785A40.1090509@yahoo.com.au> hello testy peter From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Sun Dec 30 19:10:57 2007 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:10:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test References: <000301c84b58$47219e90$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <004401c84b5a$c3693150$0300000a@Andy> Can hear you here in Townsville. Andy Nicholson Townsville Qld OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: [SEL] test > testing for someone here in oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 30 19:13:08 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:13:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test References: <000301c84b58$47219e90$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <018b01c84b5b$1208c190$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Is it catching? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: [SEL] test > testing for someone here in oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: > 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 30 19:13:53 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:13:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] plowe test References: <47785A40.1090509@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <019001c84b5b$2caafe50$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Now, that is. You better see a doctor. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "twoferals" To: "SEL" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: [SEL] plowe test > hello testy peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: > 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 19:26:09 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:26:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] plowe test References: <47785A40.1090509@yahoo.com.au> <019001c84b5b$2caafe50$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <001a01c84b5c$e3253500$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Skip I have a new member with problems with LIST posts, trying to help Peter, Oz > Now, that is. You better see a doctor. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "twoferals" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:56 PM > Subject: [SEL] plowe test > > >> hello testy peter >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: >> 12/30/2007 11:27 AM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 19:28:28 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:28:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test - help wanted References: <000301c84b58$47219e90$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001d01c84b5d$362c1700$0601a8c0@altech> Re: The test email sent to ATIS Hi Guys, I had a phone call from a "Newbie" collector here in Oz who as it turns out is just across the river from me, about 10kms way. His name is Allan Harris and email is twoferals at yahoo.com.au please make him welcome. Allan is having trouble with post from the SEL, they do not always come back to him, there is a message in the sender line that says: cell-bounce at lists.stantionary-engine.com or something like that. What does this mean ??? We both did a test a short while ago and all worked ??? but no all the time. Also Allan is after information / parts etc for a 1 1/2HP "Z" Fairbanks Morse, can anyone help in Oz or USA please, we want to keep these new guys in the hobby and keen ;-)) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 19:32:18 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:32:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] FM Z - a two headed beast ?????? In-Reply-To: <477759D3.6060202@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <450749.30263.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Al, Got pictures? Alan twoferals wrote: To whom it may concern, or whoever wants to go to the trouble, We start with the carcus and internals of a 1.5HP Z model. We have no carby, no gov gear and no maggy. The question is:- can this be made into a "hit & miss" or a "throttle governed" engine just by bolting on the appropriate parts (ac/dc), or, is there something hiding in this carcus that I am oblivious too, that will only allow it to lean one way (ac or dc). TIA Al _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 30 19:45:15 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:45:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] plowe test References: <47785A40.1090509@yahoo.com.au><019001c84b5b$2caafe50$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <001a01c84b5c$e3253500$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <01bf01c84b5f$8e3455f0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Well, boy I am sure glad he's getting help. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] plowe test > Hi Skip > I have a new member with problems with LIST posts, trying to help > > Peter, Oz > > > > > >> Now, that is. You better see a doctor. >> Skip >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "twoferals" >> To: "SEL" >> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:56 PM >> Subject: [SEL] plowe test >> >> >>> hello testy peter >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: >>> 12/30/2007 11:27 AM >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: > 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Dec 30 20:15:06 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:15:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update In-Reply-To: <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> Message-ID: <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Thanks for all the nice comments about our cider mill restoration. It was a great project and it having been in the family makes it especially rewarding. Both my kids have completed 10 years each in 4-H where our local 4-H association has a project called Americana. The Americana project encourages kids to display a antique in one of many categories ranging from household items to farm equipment in either original condition or restored. It's purpose is to help the kids develop an appreciation for their heritage. With my dad and I collecting old engines, tractors etc. my kids have taken on many projects around the barn with the cider mill being the last. It ends up being a family project with my dad, son, wife and friends pitching in to assist in the projects. It is a terrific learning experience for the kids. On this particular project we milled the lumber on our sawmill from logs cut on family property. We dried the lumber in our wood kiln. Then we machined the wood parts in our workshop. About the only thing we farmed out was the cleaning of the metal parts. These we took to a local company called Redi-strip that dips the parts in a vat of chemicals. When they come back they look like they just came from the foundry. From there we worked on repairing the broken or worn parts, painted and reassembled the parts. It's would be hard to list all the different skills Isaac learned, or was at least exposed to , on a project like this. We still plan to cast a couple of minor internal parts and add some pin striping but I'm as proud of Isaac and this mill as about any other project we have taken on. Someone asked about the log structure in the background. That's another one of our restoration project. It is a log house that was originally built in 1840. We tore it down and moved it and rebuilt it behind my parents house. My wife and I lived in it for the first year and a half of our marriage. Here is a web page with more of the details: http://www.herculesengines.com/logcabin/logcabin.html If anyone is in the area and needs a place to spend a night or two let me know. The cabin us usually available and it is only 50 or so feet away from the barns that house our treasures. We like sharing it with like minded folks. I'm not sure if we will be taking this mill to any shows. I'd love to but it's not the easiest thing to haul around and we would need lots of water for cleanup if we were to make cider at a show. Anybody have any experience with this sort of thing? Thanks for looking and for all the nice complements. Keith PS: Here are some of our other 4-H Americana project if you're interested. http://www.herculesengines.com/NewAdditions/default.htm http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/ http://www.herculesengines.com/mills/Default.htm Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sun Dec 30 20:34:21 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:34:21 +1300 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <003701c84b66$6a6b8d80$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Keith your son really excelled at this project very fortunate to have supportive parents to encourage him what a great idea as a school project restoring old machinery it helps to build confidence in there own ability and hopefully a life time interest in vintage machinery its great to when they work thru the whole project from start to completion.I think it will motivate him on to other projects etc.thanks for sharing your experiences enjoyed reading your article brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: ; ; ; Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update > Thanks for all the nice comments about our cider mill > restoration. It was a great project and it having been in the family > makes it especially rewarding. > > Both my kids have completed 10 years each in 4-H where our local 4-H > association has a project called Americana. The Americana project > encourages kids to display a antique in one of many categories > ranging from household items to farm equipment in either original > condition or restored. It's purpose is to help the kids develop an > appreciation for their heritage. With my dad and I collecting old > engines, tractors etc. my kids have taken on many projects around the > barn with the cider mill being the last. It ends up being a family > project with my dad, son, wife and friends pitching in to assist in > the projects. It is a terrific learning experience for the kids. On > this particular project we milled the lumber on our sawmill from logs > cut on family property. We dried the lumber in our wood kiln. Then > we machined the wood parts in our workshop. About the only thing we > farmed out was the cleaning of the metal parts. These we took to a > local company called Redi-strip that dips the parts in a vat of > chemicals. When they come back they look like they just came from the > foundry. From there we worked on repairing the broken or worn parts, > painted and reassembled the parts. It's would be hard to list all > the different skills Isaac learned, or was at least exposed to , on a > project like this. We still plan to cast a couple of minor internal > parts and add some pin striping but I'm as proud of Isaac and this > mill as about any other project we have taken on. > > Someone asked about the log structure in the background. That's > another one of our restoration project. It is a log house that was > originally built in 1840. We tore it down and moved it and rebuilt it > behind my parents house. My wife and I lived in it for the first > year and a half of our marriage. Here is a web page with more of the details: > http://www.herculesengines.com/logcabin/logcabin.html > If anyone is in the area and needs a place to spend a night or two > let me know. The cabin us usually available and it is only 50 or so > feet away from the barns that house our treasures. We like sharing > it with like minded folks. > > I'm not sure if we will be taking this mill to any shows. I'd love > to but it's not the easiest thing to haul around and we would need > lots of water for cleanup if we were to make cider at a > show. Anybody have any experience with this sort of thing? > > Thanks for looking and for all the nice complements. > > Keith > > PS: Here are some of our other 4-H Americana project if you're interested. > http://www.herculesengines.com/NewAdditions/default.htm > http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/ > http://www.herculesengines.com/mills/Default.htm > > > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun Dec 30 20:40:59 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:40:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] test - help wanted In-Reply-To: <001d01c84b5d$362c1700$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c84b58$47219e90$0601a8c0@altech> <001d01c84b5d$362c1700$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <477872DB.4070404@xplornet.com> Hello Peter, His message came here so it got out. Which model of Z engine does he have? Rupert Peter Lowe wrote: > Re: The test email sent to ATIS > > Hi Guys, I had a phone call from a "Newbie" collector here in Oz who as it > turns out is just across the river from me, about 10kms way. > His name is Allan Harris and email is twoferals at yahoo.com.au please make him > welcome. > > Allan is having trouble with post from the SEL, they do not always come back > to him, there is a message in the sender line that says: > cell-bounce at lists.stantionary-engine.com or something like that. What does > this mean ??? > > We both did a test a short while ago and all worked ??? but no all the time. > > Also Allan is after information / parts etc for a 1 1/2HP "Z" Fairbanks > Morse, can anyone help in Oz or USA please, we want to keep these new guys > in the hobby and keen ;-)) > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Dec 30 20:47:00 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:47:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <1198947870.47767e1e71a3e@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <1198947870.47767e1e71a3e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <200712302347488.SM01492@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Hello all. Thanks for all the reply and suggestions. I'm sure a new flywheel could be cast but, the cost of casting and finding a machine shop with big enough equipment to machine the wheel would be difficult and cost prohibitive. I'm also sure a good welding shop could weld the pieces back together. But, I'm not sure I would ever fill comfortable running it in public. It was a blessing no one was hurt. If that engine had fallen on someone who know what the injuries would have been. Now for the good news. This is a common enough engine that I have had 3 different people contact me about replacement flywheels. :-) With any luck I'm sure at least one of these will pan out and we'll have a running engine by next summer. :-) :-) And Arnie, I too thought this would make a good bolt on flywheel weight. I think a few hours with a grinder and all remnants of those spokes will be gone. A year or two out in the weather and it will look as good as any 100+ year old flywheel weight should. ;-) As far as how to prevent something like this from happening in the future. Yes, a big part of the problem is the narrow spacing of the skids. I have a set of trucks from a hay wagon that I plan to mount this engine on. It will make it easier to move around and provide a wide wheelbase to prevent tipping. Thanks for all your suggestions and comments. I'll let you'all know how things turn out. Keith Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 20:48:40 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:48:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] FM Z - a two headed beast ?????? In-Reply-To: <477759D3.6060202@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <948268.1613.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi again, Al. I was a bit busy when I replied earlier. I see Peter says you are having trouble getting SEL emails so I also sending this direct to you. The reason it would be best to see pictures is because the FBM Z engines came in so many different models. I have a 1916-1918 ?? 1 1/2 HP Hit-n-Miss Z that is headless. Then I am not sure what year it is,,,, but setting out there in the snow is a 6HP FBM Z that is throttle governed. Then there is the 1 1/2 HP Z style D. This is a much different enclosed crank FBM Z. Or the 1 1/2 HP FBM Dishpan flywheel engines. Please let me know if you are not able to send me a picture. I am sure I could find pixs of all these engines already on-line. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, michigan twoferals wrote: To whom it may concern, or whoever wants to go to the trouble, We start with the carcus and internals of a 1.5HP Z model. We have no carby, no gov gear and no maggy. The question is:- can this be made into a "hit & miss" or a "throttle governed" engine just by bolting on the appropriate parts (ac/dc), or, is there something hiding in this carcus that I am oblivious too, that will only allow it to lean one way (ac or dc). TIA Al _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Dec 30 20:51:41 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:51:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update In-Reply-To: <003701c84b66$6a6b8d80$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <003701c84b66$6a6b8d80$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <200712302351156.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Thanks Brent. I don't know what the future holds for Isaac and this hobby but I do know he has and appreciation for what it takes to restore a project like this and with any luck after college and girls maybe he'll settle down and join us in the workshop for some more fun projects. Keith At 10:34 PM 12/30/2007, you wrote: >brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 22:02:30 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:02:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] test - help wanted In-Reply-To: <477872DB.4070404@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <944274.58969.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is one like this on one of Steve Barr's auction reports. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007VirginiaIL/47.jpg Here is a before picture of Al's engine. http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/AlsFBM.jpg Here is a picture of it as it is now. http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/AlsFBM2.jpg Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Rupert wrote: Hello Peter, His message came here so it got out. Which model of Z engine does he have? Rupert Peter Lowe wrote: > Re: The test email sent to ATIS > > Hi Guys, I had a phone call from a "Newbie" collector here in Oz who as it > turns out is just across the river from me, about 10kms way. > His name is Allan Harris and email is twoferals at yahoo.com.au please make him > welcome. > > Allan is having trouble with post from the SEL, they do not always come back > to him, there is a message in the sender line that says: > cell-bounce at lists.stantionary-engine.com or something like that. What does > this mean ??? > > We both did a test a short while ago and all worked ??? but no all the time. > > Also Allan is after information / parts etc for a 1 1/2HP "Z" Fairbanks > Morse, can anyone help in Oz or USA please, we want to keep these new guys > in the hobby and keen ;-)) > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Dec 30 22:05:19 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:05:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test - help wanted In-Reply-To: <477872DB.4070404@xplornet.com> References: <000301c84b58$47219e90$0601a8c0@altech> <001d01c84b5d$362c1700$0601a8c0@altech> <477872DB.4070404@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4778869F.7010401@steamengine.com.au> All messages come to the sender from sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com - this is the address of the list on the list server. Paul Rupert wrote: >> Allan is having trouble with post from the SEL, they do not always come back >> to him, there is a message in the sender line that says: >> cell-bounce at lists.stantionary-engine.com or something like that. What does >> this mean ??? >> >> From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Mon Dec 31 00:46:27 2007 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:46:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000a01c84b89$a1d5df50$4101a8c0@amd> Hi Patrick, The Nuenen show will be on May 11&12. I'm sure you'll like this show although there won't be lots of R&V's;-) However if you come to Nuenen I make sure there will be at least one R&V running at the show. Harry Terpstra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:11 PM Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates > For no particular reason ;) > Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the > Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? > Thanks, > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Dec 31 01:31:33 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:31:33 +1300 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <003701c84b66$6a6b8d80$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <200712302351156.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <002c01c84b8f$eef59ea0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Keith sounds as if you guys have lots of projects up your sleeve i find if you enjoy restoration of old machinery it normally spreads over to other areas i started with an old ride on from there i went to old vintage reel mowers/stationary engines then shearing gear then saws now old tools,pickups now trucks. Its just fun seeing something of no practical use or worth transformed into something useful valuable and beautiful . Part of lifes journey is to make the world a better place having past through...to leave something as a reminder its like capturing a piece of time a photograph of the past so that the next generation can learn,enjoy, reflect and understand a little about the machines and the lives of those who went before us.. brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update > Thanks Brent. I don't know what the future holds for Isaac and this > hobby but I do know he has and appreciation for what it takes to > restore a project like this and with any luck after college and girls > maybe he'll settle down and join us in the workshop for some more fun projects. > Keith > > > > > At 10:34 PM 12/30/2007, you wrote: > >brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Dec 31 01:50:45 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:50:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SEL List References: <47786DCE.7090000@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <003401c84b92$9dbc9770$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Allan Harris (twoferals) sent me this below. I have never bothered to look into the workings of ATIS or the SEL but it looks like we have a Digest Group and a Non-Digest Group, is that correct. The Digest Group getting a single email once a day with all the days post in it or something like that, is that correct??? and the Non-Digest Group getting each post as a separate email when it is sent. Also, can we do a "WHO" on SEL to see who has subscribed like we could at stationary-engine at indiana.edu in the dark good old days. It still could be Allan's server, will look into it for him. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > G'day Peter, > > I looked up the two lists that I eluded too earlier and they are headed > thus: > * > *311 Non-digested Members of SEL: 117 Digested Members of SEL: > > > You and I are both in the Non list, so that can't be the cause of me not > seeing my own posts. > > I have received answers from Skip, Alan, and Andy. Very strange eh. > > Cheers, > Al > From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Dec 31 02:59:25 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:59:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloodyHOT here! Message-ID: <123120071059.17445.4778CB8D00084A3400004425219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Now Peter everyone knows that Maytags don't count as a real mans engine! The lest you can do is pull out one of your 2hp plain jane R&V's......... Happy New Year mate. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloodyHOT here! Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:04:50 +0000 > Yep, 1 second past midnight Kaye's Maytag will be running, yes Dave you read > correct, as it starts first kick. ;-)) > > Peter, Oz > > > > > > > I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a > > special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own > > engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. > > > > http://www2.steamengine.com.au/NK2.jpg > > > > This is powered by a 20hp Kohler two cylinder engine and drives the > > trolley through a gearbox (salvaged from a power boat). Final drive to > > the axles is by chain and sprocket. Of our collection, this little > > trolley is probably the most fun to drive and certainly the best in > > really hot weather. Today is expected to be 43C (approx 110F) and at > > 11.25 is already at 37C (approx 99F) here in Emerald Victoria so the 43C > > does seem plausible. > > > > Tonights train will also be a crankup - because it is has been declared > > Extreme Fire Danger a Total Fire Ban is in force here today so the > > railway is running diesels instead of the usual steam hauled services. > > Tonight's train is likely to be hauled by DH31 an ex Queensland Railways > > diesel locomotive. > > > > In this sort of weather I'm torn between attending my rostered volunteer > > job and staying home to look after the house in case of bushfire. Sigh. > > What a choice... I've activated my fire plan and put out all the water > > drums and the mops and brought the garden hose inside and hooked it up > > to the washing machine tap. I haven't put the bung plugs into the rain > > gutters and filled them up yet - I usually only do that if there is a > > burn going locally - big waste of water otherwise. > > > > More info: > > Puffing Billy http://www.puffingbilly.com.au/ > > Watch a video of DH31 in action > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpAHUSTxmp0# > > What is a Total Fire Ban? http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/restrictions/index.htm > > > > Regards > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Dec 31 06:41:00 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:41:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20071231114102.D15E2229924@md5.pennswoods.net> Happy New Year to All R Fink PA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Dec 31 04:56:28 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:56:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New year Message-ID: <001101c84bac$933e9770$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Well friends, here, the year of 07 has minutes to live. I want to take a moment to thank you all for the effort you have put into the last year to make turning on the puter, a worthwhile thing to do. Now, lets all try and make 08 a year to truly enjoy and remember. I value the friendship I have found beyond all I ever could have asked for. Happy New Year mates! Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Dec 31 05:00:16 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:00:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz and first crankup. Message-ID: <000801c84bad$172f4b60$0601a8c0@altech> Happy New Year to all at ATIS & Oldengine.org Here is our New Years Crankup message from my Grand Daughter, Morgan, and way past her bed time. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/newyear2008.htm Yes Dave, the 72 is running, Morgan was not impressed at midnight with two stroke fumes and the wind from the flywheel fan blowing her hair, women I just don't understand them ;-)) !!!!! My mate just rang tonight at 11.15pm and has given me a complete engine running, for free, a 2hp Cooper H&M open crank, does this make it the first engine into a collection for 2008? I think it is something like this one, I have seen it before but can't remember the model, will collect it when I get my R&V parts at the end of January. http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/guildford_vic_1999/pics/cooper_tc_little_wonder.jpg Take care all and happy collecting, Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From jbcast at charter.net Mon Dec 31 05:42:09 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 5:42:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New year In-Reply-To: <001101c84bac$933e9770$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <20071231084209.QEMZW.309538.root@fepweb12> Happy new year to you too, Reg, we have16 hrs. of 07 left. J.B. Castagnos From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 31 06:35:19 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:35:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz and first crankup. In-Reply-To: <000801c84bad$172f4b60$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000801c84bad$172f4b60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: Hello Peter, This borders on CHILD ABUSE. But since I like you I will not report it this time. However, I warn you that with the new laws you have in OZ (see: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/31/2129471.htm) this sort of thing will no longer be taken lightly by officials in your great country! Dave PS, Happy New year! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 31, 2007, at 8:00 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Happy New Year to all at ATIS & Oldengine.org > > Here is our New Years Crankup message from my Grand Daughter, > Morgan, and > way past her bed time. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/newyear2008.htm > > Yes Dave, the 72 is running, Morgan was not impressed at midnight > with two > stroke fumes and the wind from the flywheel fan blowing her hair, > women I > just don't understand them ;-)) !!!!! > > My mate just rang tonight at 11.15pm and has given me a complete > engine > running, for free, a 2hp Cooper H&M open crank, does this make it the > first engine into a collection for 2008? > I think it is something like this one, I have seen it before but can't > remember the model, will collect it when I get my R&V parts at the > end of > January. > http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/guildford_vic_1999/ > pics/cooper_tc_little_wonder.jpg > Take care all and happy collecting, > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Dec 31 07:32:03 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:32:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New year In-Reply-To: <001101c84bac$933e9770$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Reg, Marg and all our other Ozzies: Happy New Year! Y'all had a nice fireworks display. Saw some of it on the TeeVee. My New Year's resolution is to not use up any more of fair my share of air. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of R & M > Ingold > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 06:56 AM > To: Slick Willy Mailing List; oldengine list; List SEL > Subject: [SEL] New year > > > Well friends, here, the year of 07 has minutes to live. > I want to take a moment to thank you all for the > effort you have put into > the last year to make turning on the puter, a > worthwhile thing to do. > Now, lets all try and make 08 a year to truly > enjoy and remember. > I value the friendship I have found beyond all I > ever could have asked for. > Happy New Year mates! > Reg. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 31 08:16:03 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:16:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <200712302347488.SM01492@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <1198947870.47767e1e71a3e@webmail.city-net.com> <200712302347488.SM01492@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Hi Keith, The next time that you're at Coolspring, stroll through the half-breed pavilion. They have several engines with bolt-on weight rings. My dream is to find a three-piece stacked set that fits my Bessemer / Farrier & Trefts half-breed. I'll settle for just a single ring; but I don't want to go as far as you did to make one. 8-)) See ya and HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and the family!! See ya, Arnie On Sun, 30 Dec 2007, Keith Kinney wrote: > And Arnie, I too thought this would make a good bolt on flywheel > weight. I think a few hours with a grinder and all remnants of those > spokes will be gone. A year or two out in the weather and it will > look as good as any 100+ year old flywheel weight should. ;-) From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Dec 31 07:25:51 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:25:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year Message-ID: <20071231.103607.860.9.jlb94@juno.com> Happy New Year to all. Her Majesty & I will be spending it in the back yard around a small camp fire. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 31 08:51:33 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:51:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz and first crankup. In-Reply-To: <000801c84bad$172f4b60$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000801c84bad$172f4b60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: G'day Peter, A "running Maytag"? You have CLEARLY been too deep into the holiday cheer mate. No smoke, no blurred flywheels. Mate that's a STATIONARY Maytag motor. Morgan, OTOH, is cute as a bug's ear. LOVE those dimples!! You should make a New Year's resolution to get that sweet little kid a REAL engine! Maybe that 2hp Cooper H&M open crank your mate just gave you? See ya, Arnie PS - 13 hours till midnight here in the 'burgh. On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > Here is our New Years Crankup message from my Grand Daughter, Morgan, and > way past her bed time. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/newyear2008.htm > > Yes Dave, the 72 is running, Morgan was not impressed at midnight with two > stroke fumes and the wind from the flywheel fan blowing her hair, women I > just don't understand them ;-)) !!!!! > > My mate just rang tonight at 11.15pm and has given me a complete engine > running, for free, a 2hp Cooper H&M open crank, does this make it the > first engine into a collection for 2008? From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 31 08:15:21 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:15:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Spam> Santa was good to me - Clark Airborne Dozer - Long In-Reply-To: <200712310102617.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <200712310102617.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: > So that's the story for now. We started by getting 2 tractors that > were over 2500 miles from home and ended up with a nicer one just 2 > miles from home that we'd first seen some 30 or so years ago. > > Keith What a GREAT X-mas present Keith. Now if you can talk Isaac into restoring it for you, you will have a GREAT show piece! Dave From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Dec 31 08:07:28 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:07:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! In-Reply-To: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> Happy New Year everyone. It was a good thing that we ran a fire patrol today. As expected the diesel caused no fires at all, but an arsonist had set the 50' high trestle bridge alight with fireworks (by pointing them down into the ballast next to sleepers). I was able to put out the fires by digging out the ballast then using the fire pump on the trolley. I put a lot of water into it before it was extinguished fully. Police attended and to my amazement actually caught a bloke who was hiding in the bushes lineside watching. At least our CEO will remember my name now! I get the dubious honour of submitting the first Incident/Defect Report for 2008. Regards Paul Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a > special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own > engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 08:45:09 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:45:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! In-Reply-To: <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <510256.51303.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WOW, Paul. It is really great that you were there on fire patrol. Who woulda thunk all that would happen???? Truly a New Years event to remember. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan 12 hours 15 minutes to 2008 here. Paul Pavlinovich wrote: Happy New Year everyone. It was a good thing that we ran a fire patrol today. As expected the diesel caused no fires at all, but an arsonist had set the 50' high trestle bridge alight with fireworks (by pointing them down into the ballast next to sleepers). I was able to put out the fires by digging out the ballast then using the fire pump on the trolley. I put a lot of water into it before it was extinguished fully. Police attended and to my amazement actually caught a bloke who was hiding in the bushes lineside watching. At least our CEO will remember my name now! I get the dubious honour of submitting the first Incident/Defect Report for 2008. Regards Paul Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a > special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own > engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. > > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon Dec 31 10:52:20 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:52:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] test - help wanted In-Reply-To: <944274.58969.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <944274.58969.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47793A64.1010309@xplornet.com> I have a 1 1/2hp FB that looks like this one except mine is a brownish color. My son-in-law has one that appears to be the same except his has dishpan type flywheels. Rupert Alan Bowen wrote: > It is one like this on one of Steve Barr's auction reports. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007VirginiaIL/47.jpg > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From DOUBLE-D-66 at PRODIGY.NET Mon Dec 31 11:24:56 2007 From: DOUBLE-D-66 at PRODIGY.NET (DOUBLE-D-66 at PRODIGY.NET) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:24:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year Message-ID: Happy New year to all , Hey joe are you going to make any mountain pies and saliami and cheese ? If you do I hope you think of us . Happy New Year all from the Davis Family . From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 31 13:40:24 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:40:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] plowe test In-Reply-To: <01bf01c84b5f$8e3455f0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <47785A40.1090509@yahoo.com.au><019001c84b5b$2caafe50$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <001a01c84b5c$e3253500$0601a8c0@altech> <01bf01c84b5f$8e3455f0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <1CCA5F70-6245-4CDB-B6AB-119A9FD6F27E@alltel.net> SOME people in OZ believe that MAYTAG MOTORS run. They REALLY need HELP! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 30, 2007, at 10:45 PM, Skip Cleveland wrote: > Well, boy I am sure glad he's getting help. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] plowe test > > >> Hi Skip >> I have a new member with problems with LIST posts, trying to help >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> >> >>> Now, that is. You better see a doctor. >>> Skip >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "twoferals" >>> To: "SEL" >>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:56 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] plowe test >>> >>> >>>> hello testy peter >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: >>>> 12/30/2007 11:27 AM >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: >> 12/30/2007 11:27 AM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Dec 31 13:47:53 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:47:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year In-Reply-To: <20071231.103607.860.9.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20071231.103607.860.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071231163840.03093d60@pop3.wcoil.com> We have just over 7 hours left of 07 here and we want to Wish You ALL, those already in 08 and those still in 07 a Happy New Year. My resolution for 08 is to help reduce my potential carbon foot print by not drinking so much Black Velvet that the distillerys are forced to expand. But not till the Second. Cheers!!! Mark, Christine and Stephanie Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 15:08:12 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:08:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] SEL List In-Reply-To: <003401c84b92$9dbc9770$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <233940.28356.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter, Does he get other list emails and the only ones he doesn't get are the ones HE send to the SEL? Al, Did you get THIS email. I might have an answer,,,,, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Peter Lowe wrote: Hi all Allan Harris (twoferals) sent me this below. I have never bothered to look into the workings of ATIS or the SEL but it looks like we have a Digest Group and a Non-Digest Group, is that correct. The Digest Group getting a single email once a day with all the days post in it or something like that, is that correct??? and the Non-Digest Group getting each post as a separate email when it is sent. Also, can we do a "WHO" on SEL to see who has subscribed like we could at stationary-engine at indiana.edu in the dark good old days. It still could be Allan's server, will look into it for him. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > G'day Peter, > > I looked up the two lists that I eluded too earlier and they are headed > thus: > * > *311 Non-digested Members of SEL: 117 Digested Members of SEL: > > > You and I are both in the Non list, so that can't be the cause of me not > seeing my own posts. > > I have received answers from Skip, Alan, and Andy. Very strange eh. > > Cheers, > Al > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Dec 31 15:15:24 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 12:15:24 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <00be01c84c03$05f11e40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Paul well done putting the potential fire out that could have been life threatning just as well you were there..Cant reason the logic behind stupidity.Does that mean you will be promoted to chief fire officier could be a good reason to buy a vintage fire truck ? brentnz ---- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! > Happy New Year everyone. It was a good thing that we ran a fire patrol > today. As expected the diesel caused no fires at all, but an arsonist > had set the 50' high trestle bridge alight with fireworks (by pointing > them down into the ballast next to sleepers). I was able to put out the > fires by digging out the ballast then using the fire pump on the > trolley. I put a lot of water into it before it was extinguished fully. > > Police attended and to my amazement actually caught a bloke who was > hiding in the bushes lineside watching. > > At least our CEO will remember my name now! I get the dubious honour of > submitting the first Incident/Defect Report for 2008. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > > I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a > > special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own > > engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Dec 31 16:11:19 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:11:19 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000f01c84c0a$d92f0360$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Paul..........I would suggest that the '' Bloke '' be hung up by the balls!Then locked for life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! > Happy New Year everyone. It was a good thing that we ran a fire patrol > today. As expected the diesel caused no fires at all, but an arsonist > had set the 50' high trestle bridge alight with fireworks (by pointing > them down into the ballast next to sleepers). I was able to put out the > fires by digging out the ballast then using the fire pump on the > trolley. I put a lot of water into it before it was extinguished fully. > > Police attended and to my amazement actually caught a bloke who was > hiding in the bushes lineside watching. > > At least our CEO will remember my name now! I get the dubious honour of > submitting the first Incident/Defect Report for 2008. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Pavlinovich wrote: >> I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a >> special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own >> engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Dec 31 16:17:54 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:17:54 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year Message-ID: <001d01c84c0b$c10bb3e0$6fcc6d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Everyone, It's ten minutes into the new year and I would like to wish everyone on the list a very happy and prosperous new year . And who knows it is possible that I may meet some of you in 2008. Cheers, Craig in Scotland From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Dec 31 16:33:28 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:33:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Santa was good to me - Clark Airborne Dozer - Long In-Reply-To: References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <200712310102617.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <200712311933920.SM05908@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Yes, it was a great Christmas present. But, I don't think Isaac will be much restoring for a while his is off to college. As far as a great show piece goes I'm thinking that the picture that is about 1/2 way down on this link with the Jeep, trailer and dozer would be the way to show it. http://www.syltech.net/gallery2.htm Anybody know where I can get a WWII army jeep? :-) Keith At 10:15 AM 12/31/2007, you wrote: > > So that's the story for now. We started by getting 2 tractors that > > were over 2500 miles from home and ended up with a nicer one just 2 > > miles from home that we'd first seen some 30 or so years ago. > > > > Keith > >What a GREAT X-mas present Keith. Now if you can talk Isaac into >restoring it for you, you will have a GREAT show piece! > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: >12/30/2007 11:27 AM Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Dec 31 17:46:55 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:46:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20071231163840.03093d60@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Gang: Happy New Year! I celebrated about twelve hours early today by making smoke on a newly restored 1922 1-1/2 HP Fairbanks-Morse Z with AB33 oscillating mag. I've stuck a photogiraffe of me and the engine on my web page. I did it early 'cause us Geezers can't be depended upon to stay awake all the way to midnight! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 31 18:00:43 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:00:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Santa was good to me - Clark Airborne Dozer - Long In-Reply-To: <200712311933920.SM05908@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <200712310102617.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <200712311933920.SM05908@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <53AC95E9-F72E-4DCC-92A3-97D30990757A@alltel.net> WOW! Those pictures bring back a lot of memories! When the USA started dropping those the JAPS were still on the offensive. Those dozers did a lot to help us win the war against the JAPS! I can remember watching the drops on the "news" at the Saturday afternoon double feature movie! Dave PS, Too bad that Truman did not have 6 more bombs! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 31, 2007, at 7:33 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > Yes, it was a great Christmas present. But, I don't think Isaac will > be much restoring for a while his is off to college. > As far as a great show piece goes I'm thinking that the picture that > is about 1/2 way down on this link with the Jeep, trailer and dozer > would be the way to show it. > http://www.syltech.net/gallery2.htm Anybody know where I can get a > WWII army jeep? :-) > Keith From alharris44 at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 18:41:19 2007 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:41:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SEL List In-Reply-To: <233940.28356.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <233940.28356.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4779A84F.5060006@gmail.com> Yeah mate, I'm here in 2008. I found the answer late last night Alan, thanks. There is a choice in the SEL config page that allows you to set whether you get your own emails or not. Mine was set at "No", probably the "default". I'll be watching to see if I get this post. ;-) Anyhoo I've changed my addy for SEL to: > alharris44 at gmail.com Oh, I've signed up for Photobucket too, thanks for the prod pard. :-) BTW the info that I've gathered so far on the FM-Z carcus is that it could be setup as a Throttle governed or Manual governed (as in this bad pic). > http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/man-gov.jpg There is also a pretty extensive 1.8MB catalogue that list the parts for the different builds at: > http://www.hitnmiss.com/catalog.html Back to the garage. Cheers, Al Alan Bowen wrote: > Peter, > Does he get other list emails and the only ones he doesn't get are the ones HE send to the SEL? > > Al, > Did you get THIS email. > > I might have an answer,,,,, > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > From alharris44 at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 18:42:14 2007 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:42:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4779A886.5050203@gmail.com> What can I say ? Love to see and hear it. Video ??? Happy New Year, Al Harris Elden DuRand wrote: > Gang: > > Happy New Year! > > I celebrated about twelve hours early today by making smoke on a newly restored 1922 1-1/2 HP Fairbanks-Morse Z with AB33 oscillating mag. I've stuck a photogiraffe of me and the engine on my web page. > > I did it early 'cause us Geezers can't be depended upon to stay awake all the way to midnight! > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 31 21:15:04 2007 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:15:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. HAPPY NEW YEAR Message-ID: <00c501c84c35$44f406c0$8501a8c0@LapTop> HAPPY NEW YEAR Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Dec 1 07:18:43 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:18:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine info In-Reply-To: <005501c833e7$95d8bb50$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: Peter: What post?? Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 12:59 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list; Oldengine.org > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine info > > > Hi All > Forget the last post on the Mystery engine, I was > having a senior's moment > and was one email ahead of myself > > Peter, Oz From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 1 09:52:28 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:52:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Witte diesel followed me home !! Message-ID: <200712012033765.SM01896@Laptop.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, I just want to say thanks for all the responses I got to this post. I'm not going to mention each of you by name but have got a lot of information on the engine from all over the world. I still have not found a serial number but it appears to be from about 1948 - older would have been nice but it's still a nice engine and very unusual around here. I now feel confident enough about it's restoration. Internally it is in very good condition with a few not too difficult things missing on the outside. Thanks again. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 1 11:03:51 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:03:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 45, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071201210105.00bc8330@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 01/12/2007, you wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:05:51 -0600 >From: Bruce Younger >Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > >Interesting critter, Jerry. The oil filter can appears identical to the >one on my '51 Plymouth. I've seen these pumping oil in the outback of Texas. Thanks for your reply Bruce, The missing fuel pump on my engine also appears to be of automobile origin. It's good when manufacturers use readily available parts instead of re-inventing the wheel at much higher cost to the consumer, >Bruce Younger Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 2 08:59:06 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:59:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Really Unusual Novo Message-ID: <1196614746.4752e45a573d8@webmail.city-net.com> Predates the Rollr maybe? Or maybe later? Any thoughts? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=140185874662 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 2 09:01:08 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:01:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cute Little Stocking Stuffer Message-ID: <1196614868.4752e4d471d23@webmail.city-net.com> and JUST in time for Christmas!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260186640655 Item name: Fairbanks Morse 1920s Cast Iron Z Engine Promo From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Dec 2 16:25:43 2007 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:25:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mitchell Drag Saw Revisited, again Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20071202162439.04509ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Hi..... You folks might remember a few months ago I was trying to help identify a large old drag saw from an old family picture a lady in Portland Oregon found. She had a couple of pictures, one showing a picture of her grandfather with the saw. Dave Otto came up with the idea that it might be from the Mitchell Lewis & Staver company which was (and is) an industrial equipment supplier based in the Portland area. Several people suggested that the engine was an early vertical Stover. Bonnie, the lady with the pictures, was able to contact Mitchell Lewis & Staver and they sent her a scan from an old catalog page that I'm sure confirms that her grandfather's drag was a Mitchell saw sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ to see the pictures of this really neat machine and the old catalog page. Also I've put up a recent picture of Curt Andree's 1905 5 hp. Stover model "C" for comparison. Thanks to all who helped solve the mystery. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Dec 2 22:21:46 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:21:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Message-ID: <20071203062153.3C564405447@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Merry Christmas everyone. Anyone know who keeps the pre 1911 list for FM engines and is willing to SHARE it [Dave]? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca.415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Mon Dec 3 00:24:57 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:24:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers References: <20071203062153.3C564405447@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <000d01c83585$fd3d13a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Hi Jim, I do not know if anyone came up with something better but here is an estimate I made several years ago on pre-1911 F-M engines: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim O'Hagan To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Merry Christmas everyone. Anyone know who keeps the pre 1911 list for FM engines and is willing to SHARE it [Dave]? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca.415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Dec 3 00:34:14 2007 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:34:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <20071203062153.3C564405447@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20071203062153.3C564405447@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20071203003128.040a6f88@pop.att.yahoo.com> At 10:21 PM 12/2/2007, you wrote: >Merry Christmas everyone. Anyone know who keeps the pre 1911 list for FM >engines and is willing to SHARE it [Dave]? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan >Novato,Ca.415 892 0236 > >Jim O'Hagan Jim, Denis Rouleau is who you are thinking of. See: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html for the results of all research several years ago. Regards, Larry Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 05:04:07 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:04:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - Worldwide Broadband Infrastructure and speeds Message-ID: <6f6025160712030504q6462bb35re97cf1cf369cc7c6@mail.gmail.com> This article on the BBC website my answer a few questions about what speeds are available and are actually delivered: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7098992.stm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 13:12:15 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:12:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <000d01c83585$fd3d13a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <20071203211224.0FB7540544F@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Thank you Dennis and Larry. That is exactly the list that I needed. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Denis Rouleau Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:25 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Hi Jim, I do not know if anyone came up with something better but here is an estimate I made several years ago on pre-1911 F-M engines: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim O'Hagan To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Merry Christmas everyone. Anyone know who keeps the pre 1911 list for FM engines and is willing to SHARE it [Dave]? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca.415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at att.net Mon Dec 3 14:18:16 2007 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:18:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Message-ID: <724287.16049.qm@web83719.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Jim, I am glad you brought up the Fairbanks Morse serial list. I have a 2 HP Jack of All Trades with 03149 on the boss where the hot tube goes and 22166 (1902) on the head. The tag is blank but has patent dates from 1892 to 1907 on it. I wonder just what I have? I wonder if there shouldn't be a 1 before the 03149 making it a 1911? But there is no 1 to be seen? Glenn ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim O'Hagan To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 12:21:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Merry Christmas everyone. Anyone know who keeps the pre 1911 list for FM engines and is willing to SHARE it [Dave]? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca.415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Mon Dec 3 14:49:36 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:49:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers References: <724287.16049.qm@web83719.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002501c835fe$c76b1c30$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Hi Glenn, Way back then when I compiled data about the pre-1911 F-M engines several people approached me with info saying that their serial number started with a zero. It was thought then that these were replacement parts, like for a busted cylinder for example. So in your case if the head is original to this engine it would be a 1902 engine and when the cylinder needed to be replaced sometimes after 1907 a new one came with serial #03149 and a tag of the current era. Take it for what it is worth but this is a possibility. Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Karch To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Jim, I am glad you brought up the Fairbanks Morse serial list. I have a 2 HP Jack of All Trades with 03149 on the boss where the hot tube goes and 22166 (1902) on the head. The tag is blank but has patent dates from 1892 to 1907 on it. I wonder just what I have? I wonder if there shouldn't be a 1 before the 03149 making it a 1911? But there is no 1 to be seen? Glenn From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Dec 3 15:24:59 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:24:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mitchell Drag Saw Revisited, again References: <6.0.1.1.2.20071202162439.04509ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for posting Larry. A perfect ending!! RickinMt. Subject: [SEL] Mitchell Drag Saw Revisited, again From jbcast at charter.net Mon Dec 3 16:20:58 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:20:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home Message-ID: <20071203192058.0YZZX.21513.root@fepweb09> I found a Desjardins this weekend, a rather large engine, guessing 8 to 10hp. The head has been welded, the flyball governor was in pieces, and the rocker arm was fabricated. I can get this engine for a resonable price, a little above scrap value, just wondereing about the availability of parts. I'll probably get it and put it under the shed as a future project, can anyone here tell me more about them? J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Mon Dec 3 16:58:05 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:58:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home References: <20071203192058.0YZZX.21513.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <006b01c83610$babbddf0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> J.B., this link should convince you that you can bring this Desjardins back to life: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/desjardins/page201.html Denis Rouleau I found a Desjardins this weekend, a rather large engine, guessing 8 to 10hp. The head has been welded, the flyball governor was in pieces, and the rocker arm was fabricated. I can get this engine for a resonable price, a little above scrap value, just wondereing about the availability of parts. I'll probably get it and put it under the shed as a future project, can anyone here tell me more about them? J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Dec 3 17:05:09 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:05:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home In-Reply-To: <20071203192058.0YZZX.21513.root@fepweb09> References: <20071203192058.0YZZX.21513.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071203195458.02fa2990@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi JB, One thing kinda interesting, the Desjardins are an engine that was built up into the 70s I'm told. And still being built with brand new (NOS?) Webster Magnetos. They are Canadian built. Its not unusual to see them in pretty good condition with lots of good paint. Parts are relatively easy to find. Nice looking engines! Mark At 07:20 PM 12/3/07, you wrote: >I found a Desjardins this weekend, a rather large engine, guessing 8 to >10hp. The head has been welded, the flyball governor was in pieces, and >the rocker arm was fabricated. I can get this engine for a resonable >price, a little above scrap value, just wondereing about the availability >of parts. I'll probably get it and put it under the shed as a future >project, can anyone here tell me more about them? >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From ddotto at cableone.net Mon Dec 3 20:10:33 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:10:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mitchell Drag Saw Revisited, again In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20071202162439.04509ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c8362b$9e2caa00$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> That was nice of the good folks at Mitchell Lewis & Staver to dig up the old catalog and send her a copy of the log saw. Can you imagine winching that beast around the forest and making a living with it? It appears the mystery has been solved. Thanks for the update Jerry. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 5:26 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Mitchell Drag Saw Revisited, again > > Hi..... > > You folks might remember a few months ago I was trying to help identify a > large old drag saw from an old family picture a lady in Portland Oregon > found. She had a couple of pictures, one showing a picture of her > grandfather with the saw. Dave Otto came up with the idea that it might > be > from the Mitchell Lewis & Staver company which was (and is) an industrial > equipment supplier based in the Portland area. Several people suggested > that the engine was an early vertical Stover. > > Bonnie, the lady with the pictures, was able to contact Mitchell Lewis & > Staver and they sent her a scan from an old catalog page that I'm sure > confirms that her grandfather's drag was a Mitchell saw sold by Mitchell > Lewis & Staver. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ > to see the pictures of this really neat machine and the old catalog > page. Also I've put up a recent picture of Curt Andree's 1905 5 hp. > Stover > model "C" for comparison. > > Thanks to all who helped solve the mystery. > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ NOD32 2699 (20071203) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 21:33:31 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:33:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <724287.16049.qm@web83719.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071204053336.6746E405441@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Glenn,My 1901- 2 HP "T" # 16727 ,cast brass tagged with newest date July 06,97,has 2 bolt wheels and the remains of a working HT. The 1/2" hole is plugged and the studs are there that held the tube assembly. Is yours similar? How many inspection plates does yours have? Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Karch Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 2:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Jim, I am glad you brought up the Fairbanks Morse serial list. I have a 2 HP Jack of All Trades with 03149 on the boss where the hot tube goes and 22166 (1902) on the head. The tag is blank but has patent dates from 1892 to 1907 on it. I wonder just what I have? I wonder if there shouldn't be a 1 before the 03149 making it a 1911? But there is no 1 to be seen? Glenn ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim O'Hagan To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 12:21:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Merry Christmas everyone. Anyone know who keeps the pre 1911 list for FM engines and is willing to SHARE it [Dave]? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca.415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Mon Dec 3 22:18:37 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:18:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers References: <20071204053336.6746E405441@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <001701c8363d$81f214d0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Mine was serial #36929 (1904) with the last patent date of Oct. 1901. Had only one inspection plate: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page106.html Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim O'Hagan Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Hi Glenn,My 1901- 2 HP "T" # 16727 ,cast brass tagged with newest date July 06,97,has 2 bolt wheels and the remains of a working HT. The 1/2" hole is plugged and the studs are there that held the tube assembly. Is yours similar? How many inspection plates does yours have? Jimmy Jim, I am glad you brought up the Fairbanks Morse serial list. I have a 2 HP Jack of All Trades with 03149 on the boss where the hot tube goes and 22166 (1902) on the head. The tag is blank but has patent dates from 1892 to 1907 on it. I wonder just what I have? I wonder if there shouldn't be a 1 before the 03149 making it a 1911? But there is no 1 to be seen? Glenn From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Dec 4 04:43:32 2007 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:43:32 GMT Subject: [SEL] Desjardins Correction Message-ID: <20071204.074332.4317.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> The Desjardins engines were not built into the 1970s. These were the Acadia Engines built in Nova Scotia. Wendel makes reference to that in his book. The Acadia engines were a takeoff on the United engines. They were very similar in design, with the hopper being different. Most of the ones I have seen have been set up with a battery coil arrangement. All of the Desjardins engines were built in St. Andre de Kamouraska Quebec. All of them had Webster magnetos and clutch pulleys as standard equipment. Denis has provided the link to my web site which he set up for me on the Desjardins collection/restoration. JB, the bore will tell you the size of the engine. Joe Kelley _____________________________________________________________ Click to create your dream Las Vegas vacation now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifkDXswYJmd7Nz0uEpUwUtXiWGqgE2QsDjLegaeB4CNzXurb/ From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Dec 4 05:24:53 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:24:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins Correction In-Reply-To: <20071204.074332.4317.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> References: <20071204.074332.4317.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071204081005.02fa6660@pop3.wcoil.com> Me bad, Got confused somehow. I could have swore it was Desjardins. But you would know. Mark At 07:43 AM 12/4/07, you wrote: >The Desjardins engines were not built into the 1970s. These were the >Acadia Engines built in Nova Scotia. Wendel makes reference to that in his >book. The Acadia engines were a takeoff on the United engines. They were >very similar in design, with the hopper being different. Most of the ones >I have seen have been set up with a battery coil arrangement. > >All of the Desjardins engines were built in St. Andre de Kamouraska >Quebec. All of them had Webster magnetos and clutch pulleys as standard >equipment. Denis has provided the link to my web site which he set up for >me on the Desjardins collection/restoration. > >JB, the bore will tell you the size of the engine. > >Joe Kelley >_____________________________________________________________ Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From glenn.karch at att.net Tue Dec 4 06:18:57 2007 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:18:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Message-ID: <968262.4171.qm@web83702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Jim, My engine has the four hot tube studs and a hole plug. It has only one inspection plate and it has two bolt flywheels. Glenn _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 4 07:53:32 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:53:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <002501c835fe$c76b1c30$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: Denis: Take a look at my 2 HP "Jack of All Trades". It is here at this link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jack/F-M%20Jack.html I have questions about the date of it. With the number "665" stamped on the -base- of the cylinder and no numbers anywhere else, I ass-u-me that it's a very early example, possibly 1897. It has 2-bolt flywheels, one crankcase cover, "beehive" mixer and plugged hot tube. Any illumination you can shed will be appreciated. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From curt at imc-group.com Tue Dec 4 07:03:25 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:03:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home In-Reply-To: <006b01c83610$babbddf0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <20071203192058.0YZZX.21513.root@fepweb09> <006b01c83610$babbddf0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <47556C3D.2060404@imc-group.com> Joe, Denis, JB, I've never been real certain how to pronounce Desjardins, so I asked one of our company sales guys who lives in Quebec. I thought you would enjoy his reply. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Hi Curt, Hope all is well. We received around 14 plus inches yesterday. It is truly beautiful. Translation is 'The Gardens' Pronounced - Day / jar / dain Next time we talk I'll pronounce it for you with a french accent. Denis Rouleau wrote: > J.B., this link should convince you that you can bring this Desjardins > back to life: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/desjardins/page201.html > Denis Rouleau > > I found a Desjardins this weekend, a rather large engine, guessing 8 to 10hp. The head has been welded, the flyball governor was in pieces, and the rocker arm was fabricated. I can get this engine for a resonable price, a little above scrap value, just wondereing about the availability of parts. I'll probably get it and put it under the shed as a future project, can anyone here tell me more about them? > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Tue Dec 4 07:10:10 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:10:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home References: <20071203192058.0YZZX.21513.root@fepweb09> <006b01c83610$babbddf0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <47556C3D.2060404@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001901c83687$c3347920$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <<<>>> Good enough for me!!! Denis Rouleau buried in 15 inches of fresh snow!!! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 4 07:18:08 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:18:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47556FB0.8080905@scrtc.com> Elden, That baby turned out nice. Someone not long ago was inquiring about the beehive mixer on the early FM T's and I told them I didn't have a photo of one to show them. I do now. BTW, was that a KY engine? Just curious if it was originally sold here. Thanks again. Tommy Turner >Denis: > >Take a look at my 2 HP "Jack of All Trades". It is here at this link: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jack/F-M%20Jack.html > >I have questions about the date of it. With the number "665" stamped on the -base- of the cylinder and no numbers anywhere else, I ass-u-me that it's a very early example, possibly 1897. It has 2-bolt flywheels, one crankcase cover, "beehive" mixer and plugged hot tube. > >Any illumination you can shed will be appreciated. > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 4 08:40:54 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:40:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <47556FB0.8080905@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Tommy: I swapped a 1-1/2 hp dishpan engine for it in about 1957. I got it from the guy who simply moved it from where he purchased it from the original owner to my garage so I suppose I am the second owner. It was originally purchased by a Crestwood, KY farmer for his son to set-up to pump water from the well to the attic cistern in the farmhouse. The engine was used for several years until (I guess) electricity came to the neighborhood, then it was retired to the barn/shop loft. I knew the owner and should have -very politely- asked if he still had the ignition dynamo and hot tube outfit for it. If he still had them in the '50's, they're long gone by now. I got the original jug and piston back from his son before I re-restored it. I have no idea who it was originally purchased from. Possibly either a Louisville outfit or via mail and rail freight. I only wish I'd just left it alone. It was in it's original work clothes with most of it's paint before I "restored" it in the mid '60's. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 09:18 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers > > > Elden, > That baby turned out nice. Someone not long > ago was inquiring about > the beehive mixer on the early FM T's and I told > them I didn't have a > photo of one to show them. I do now. BTW, was > that a KY engine? Just > curious if it was originally sold here. Thanks again. > > Tommy Turner > > > > >Denis: > > > >Take a look at my 2 HP "Jack of All Trades". It > is here at this link: > > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jac > k/F-M%20Jack.html > > > >I have questions about the date of it. With the > number "665" stamped on the -base- of the > cylinder and no numbers anywhere else, I ass-u-me > that it's a very early example, possibly 1897. > It has 2-bolt flywheels, one crankcase cover, > "beehive" mixer and plugged hot tube. > > > >Any illumination you can shed will be appreciated. > > > >Take care - Elden > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Tue Dec 4 07:48:55 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:48:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers References: Message-ID: <002b01c8368d$2cf7dff0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> This is the oldest vertical F-M I've ever seen: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/1895t.jpg Unfortunately I do not have its serial number or the last patent date on the nametag. Elden, I've looked at your engine's pictures and even if the serial #665 seems lower for that engine, I have no argument against it being an 1897 engine. Is the nametag original to your cylinder and if so what is the last patent date on your tag? Denis Rouleau Denis: Take a look at my 2 HP "Jack of All Trades". It is here at this link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Jack/F-M%20Jack.html I have questions about the date of it. With the number "665" stamped on the -base- of the cylinder and no numbers anywhere else, I ass-u-me that it's a very early example, possibly 1897. It has 2-bolt flywheels, one crankcase cover, "beehive" mixer and plugged hot tube. Any illumination you can shed will be appreciated. Take care - Elden From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Dec 4 08:59:37 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:59:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fero Compressor In-Reply-To: <006f01c8368c$940bc5e0$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> References: <006f01c8368c$940bc5e0$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> Message-ID: Hi John, After spending many long nights consoling Mike's wife Ann (while Mike was locked away in some SERIOUS therapy), I can assure you that he DOES NOT want to return to that location. In fact, merely being reminded of that horrible day, may just be enough to send him "over the edge" again. If that occurs, and ol' Mike has to "go away" again for a time, I'll be duty-bound to return to North Carolina and console his wife. The poor dear. 8->>> See ya, Arnie On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, John DeBrular wrote: > Arnie, I hope that everyone reads the story of how Mike obtained your Fero. > Funnier than hell. I have heard about places like that but hoped > to never see one. Maybe Mike can tell exactly where that place is so that we > can be sure to avoid it. > > John DeBrular > 94 Grafton St > Washington, WV 26181 > debrular at suddenlink.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > > I'd heard a rumor that George might print that. 8-)) Hey George, > howzabout a "courtesy copy" of the Western Antique Iron Trader? > > And if you aren't a subscriber and are wondering what the HELL we're > talking about, here's the background and the tale (not for the squeamish). > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero2.htm > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Dave Ernst wrote: > > > Congrats on the reprint of your quest for your namesake compressor (albeit > > broken crankcase). > > Makes you wonder just how big that nursing mama was!!! > > For those who don't know, It is in the December issue of the Western > > Antique Iron Trader. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Dec 4 08:50:02 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:50:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Message-ID: <20071204.085002.1556.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Denis. Have you ever seen a T with hot tube only, no provision for ignitor? Mine #14201 did not have the cam shaft drilled for the pin to run the fuel pump and trip the ignitor. I can only assume it was run on city gas and fired by hot tube. Your thoughts? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Tue Dec 4 09:04:27 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:04:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers References: <20071204.085002.1556.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <004101c83697$ba32c470$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Ron, the one I just sent a picture of is hot tube ignition only so it would be reasonable to believe that the early "T"s would have been setup that way also. Denis ----- Original Message ----- From: rdhaskell at juno.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Hi Denis. Have you ever seen a T with hot tube only, no provision for ignitor? Mine #14201 did not have the cam shaft drilled for the pin to run the fuel pump and trip the ignitor. I can only assume it was run on city gas and fired by hot tube. Your thoughts? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Dec 4 10:57:05 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:57:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <004101c83697$ba32c470$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <20071204185721.C38E94C8C4B@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Denis, Would you know the time frame when the "T" s were one piece "Banjo" bodied? Thanks in advance. Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Denis Rouleau Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:04 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Ron, the one I just sent a picture of is hot tube ignition only so it would be reasonable to believe that the early "T"s would have been setup that way also. Denis ----- Original Message ----- From: rdhaskell at juno.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Hi Denis. Have you ever seen a T with hot tube only, no provision for ignitor? Mine #14201 did not have the cam shaft drilled for the pin to run the fuel pump and trip the ignitor. I can only assume it was run on city gas and fired by hot tube. Your thoughts? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Tue Dec 4 11:46:15 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:46:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers References: <20071204185721.C38E94C8C4B@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <000901c836ae$549d8d40$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> According to Wendel: only in 1898. Denis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim O'Hagan To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Denis, Would you know the time frame when the "T" s were one piece "Banjo" bodied? Thanks in advance. Jimmy O'Hagan From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Dec 4 12:17:35 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:17:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <000901c836ae$549d8d40$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <20071204201740.6DEEF45040@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Thanks, I,ve only seen one. Probably had production problems. Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Denis Rouleau Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:46 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers According to Wendel: only in 1898. Denis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim O'Hagan To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers Denis, Would you know the time frame when the "T" s were one piece "Banjo" bodied? Thanks in advance. Jimmy O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Dec 4 13:44:43 2007 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:44:43 GMT Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home Message-ID: <20071204.164443.25913.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Oui, Oui, Cette est correct! Je parle un petit Francais! How is that Denis??? The real trick is to be able to read the warning on one side of the Hopper that is written in French and to understand it!!! Joe _____________________________________________________________ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifWCK3wxpbMVuQnv6fLVmqhZuj9OYuz6S13Tgdwy0szbwnI5/ From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 4 16:10:39 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:10:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers In-Reply-To: <002b01c8368d$2cf7dff0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: Denis: I've seen photos of a couple of those engines. Definitely pre-"Jack". My guess is that they are in the 1895/1896 range but I'm definitely no expert. In any case, I'd love to have one of them to go with my "Jack of All Trades". July 6, 1897 is the last patent date on the plate and it is the original. I got the cylinder from the son of the then deceased original owner who'd swapped a new jug & piston sometime during it's working days. Funny thing is, the original cylinder and piston are in pretty good condition. All I had to do was lightly hone the bore to clean it up........Used the original rings and all. Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Denis > Rouleau > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 09:49 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks early serial numbers > > > This is the oldest vertical F-M I've ever seen: > http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/1895t.jpg > Unfortunately I do not have its serial number or > the last patent date on the nametag. > Elden, I've looked at your engine's pictures and > even if the serial #665 seems lower for that > engine, I have no argument against it being an > 1897 engine. Is the nametag original to your > cylinder and if so what is the last patent date > on your tag? Denis Rouleau From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Tue Dec 4 15:10:36 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:10:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home References: <20071204.164443.25913.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001501c836ca$e0fbc830$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Tres bien Joe!!! Denis <<>> From toadhill at aeroinc.net Tue Dec 4 17:45:13 2007 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe Maurer) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:45:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Number List Message-ID: <005401c836e0$7acda1d0$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> Thanks for the early Fairbanks serial numbers Denis. Joe Maurer From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue Dec 4 18:29:17 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:29:17 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC cooling pipe Message-ID: <000e01c836e6$a2e62970$210110ac@service> Hi everyone, can anyone tell me how many & what diameter outlet holes are used on the cooling pipe of a screen cooled 8hp famous with plunger pump, also after a pic of the foot valve in bottom of tank.Cheers, Chester from West Aus. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 4 22:39:35 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:39:35 +1300 Subject: [SEL] OT - Worldwide Broadband Infrastructure and speeds References: <6f6025160712030504q6462bb35re97cf1cf369cc7c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c83709$a9c8ed90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter interesting info i had to write this quickly so it would get to you faster nz has to be one of the slow starters compared with other countrys i feel so much behind the times i quess that means todays news was yesterdays old news brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:04 AM Subject: [SEL] OT - Worldwide Broadband Infrastructure and speeds > This article on the BBC website my answer a few questions about what > speeds are available and are actually delivered: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7098992.stm > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1164 - Release Date: 12/2/2007 11:30 AM > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 5 03:44:43 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:44:43 EST Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches Message-ID: Would these tools be used to lap the old valves? Some valves had slots and some had spanner holes that may be compatible to these tools. Just a guess on my part. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From milo at hughes.net Wed Dec 5 04:18:16 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:18:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Tom, I've not heard them called "valve spanner wrenches", but, absolutely, the holes, and slots, in the valve face are for lapping tools. The two I'm familiar with are the "round stick with rubber cup on the bottom", and the "right angle drive oscillating type" (it is cranked by hand like a hand drill, and has either a spade type or spanner type blade to engage the valve). The round wooden "stick" with the rubber cup, is simply spun back and forth with the palms of your hands. Peace Milo Holroyd Kalamazoo, MI >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:45 AM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > >Would these tools be used to lap the old valves? Some valves had slots and >some had spanner holes that may be compatible to these tools. Just a guess >on >my part. > > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >Germoamer at aol.com > > > >**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's >hottest >products. >(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 >10:52 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 10:52 AM From jbcast at charter.net Tue Dec 4 16:46:51 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:46:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home In-Reply-To: <001901c83687$c3347920$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <20071204194651.T4XQN.282073.root@fepweb13> Thanks for all the replies. Dennis, Joe's site has some good pictures and good info, this engine wouldn't be a hard restoration, may require casting some parts. It has parts of the clutch on it, the handwheel is missing. It had been converted to sparkplug. Leroy, I left a message with the owner saying I want it, haven't heard a reply yet. If I decide not to keep it I'll let you know. Curt, although I don't speak French, in south Louisiana we are influenced by it. On the way home Dickie Gibbens said his mother was in a garden club, the name was desjardins and something about the bayou, don't remeber exactly what he said. It's hard to translate the accent but I would say day-zhar- DAn. Family names are a killer for those not familiar, Bonin = Bo-NAn . Prejean = Pray-zhawn, Boudin = Boo-DAn, Hebert = A-bear. Arnie, my friend Ernest Felterman has a model IH Famous, a lady watched it running and said it sounded like a mosquito fart, can't wait to hear this one run. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From falcon at telenet.net Wed Dec 5 08:18:00 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:18:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> References: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <4756CF38.6030006@telenet.net> Most of the valve spanner wrenches were for adjusting the valve clearance in engines that used solid lifters and lock nuts for the adjustments. You wanted thin profile wrenches so that you could fit them in there along with the feeler gauge. For lapping the valves with holes or slots in the face most of the reciprocating valve tools come with interchangeable tips. Usually a couple of the rubber cups and the valve keys that fit the holes or slots on those valves. I have a bunch of them in the tool box that fit a lot of different valves. Milo wrote: > Tom, I've not heard them called "valve spanner wrenches", > but, absolutely, the holes, and slots, in the valve face are for lapping > tools. The two I'm familiar with are the "round stick with rubber cup on the > bottom", and the "right angle drive oscillating type" (it is cranked by hand > like a hand drill, and has either a spade type or spanner type blade to > engage the valve). The round wooden "stick" with the rubber cup, is simply > spun back and forth with the palms of your hands. > > Peace > Milo Holroyd > Kalamazoo, MI > >> Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches >> >> Would these tools be used to lap the old valves? Some valves had slots and >> some had spanner holes that may be compatible to these tools. Just a guess >> on >> my part. >> >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. >> Germoamer at aol.com >> -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Dec 5 10:32:37 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:32:37 +1300 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches References: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <002801c8376d$36913cb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Valve spanner wrenchs sound like spanners for making adjustments to the valve gap rather than lapping valves ? brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milo" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > Tom, I've not heard them called "valve spanner wrenches", > but, absolutely, the holes, and slots, in the valve face are for lapping > tools. The two I'm familiar with are the "round stick with rubber cup on the > bottom", and the "right angle drive oscillating type" (it is cranked by hand > like a hand drill, and has either a spade type or spanner type blade to > engage the valve). The round wooden "stick" with the rubber cup, is simply > spun back and forth with the palms of your hands. > > Peace > Milo Holroyd > Kalamazoo, MI > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com > >Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:45 AM > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > > > >Would these tools be used to lap the old valves? Some valves had slots and > >some had spanner holes that may be compatible to these tools. Just a guess > >on > >my part. > > > > > >Tom Schmutz > >Concord, Va. > >Germoamer at aol.com > > > > > > > >**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > >hottest > >products. > >(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 > >10:52 AM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 > 10:52 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 10:52 AM > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Dec 5 11:23:30 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:23:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches References: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <002801c8376d$36913cb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <008c01c83774$51b43e00$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> I agree witrh brent, in the US they would have been called tappet wrenches. Long slender open end wreches. It took three of these to make the addjustment, one for the jam nuts and one fro the tappet it's self. Holding all three wrenches along with a feeler gauge took a lot of patience and dexterity. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "brent" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches Valve spanner wrenchs sound like spanners for making adjustments to the valve gap rather than lapping valves ? brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milo" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > Tom, I've not heard them called "valve spanner wrenches", > but, absolutely, the holes, and slots, in the valve face > are for lapping > tools. The two I'm familiar with are the "round stick with > rubber cup on the > bottom", and the "right angle drive oscillating type" (it > is cranked by hand > like a hand drill, and has either a spade type or spanner > type blade to > engage the valve). The round wooden "stick" with the > rubber cup, is simply > spun back and forth with the palms of your hands. > > Peace > Milo Holroyd > Kalamazoo, MI > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >[mailto:sel- > >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > >Germoamer at aol.com > >Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:45 AM > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > > > >Would these tools be used to lap the old valves? Some > >valves had slots and > >some had spanner holes that may be compatible to these > >tools. Just a guess > >on > >my part. > > > > > >Tom Schmutz > >Concord, Va. > >Germoamer at aol.com > > > > > > > >**************************************Check out AOL's > >list of 2007's > >hottest > >products. > >(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - > >Release Date: 12/4/2007 > >10:52 AM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - > Release Date: 12/4/2007 > 10:52 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - > Release Date: 12/4/2007 10:52 AM > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 10:52 AM From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Dec 5 11:56:29 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:56:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: <4756CF38.6030006@telenet.net> References: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <4756CF38.6030006@telenet.net> Message-ID: <4416.165.206.180.115.1196884589.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Called tappet wrenches, around here......... I have a set. > Most of the valve spanner wrenches were for adjusting the valve > clearance in engines that used solid lifters and lock nuts for the > adjustments. You wanted thin profile wrenches so that you could fit them > in there along with the feeler gauge. > > For lapping the valves with holes or slots in the face most of the > reciprocating valve tools come with interchangeable tips. Usually a > couple of the rubber cups and the valve keys that fit the holes or slots > on those valves. I have a bunch of them in the tool box that fit a lot > of different valves. > > Milo wrote: >> Tom, I've not heard them called "valve spanner wrenches", >> but, absolutely, the holes, and slots, in the valve face are for lapping >> tools. The two I'm familiar with are the "round stick with rubber cup on >> the >> bottom", and the "right angle drive oscillating type" (it is cranked by >> hand >> like a hand drill, and has either a spade type or spanner type blade to >> engage the valve). The round wooden "stick" with the rubber cup, is >> simply >> spun back and forth with the palms of your hands. >> >> Peace >> Milo Holroyd >> Kalamazoo, MI >> >>> Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches >>> >>> Would these tools be used to lap the old valves? Some valves had slots >>> and >>> some had spanner holes that may be compatible to these tools. Just a >>> guess >>> on >>> my part. >>> >>> >>> Tom Schmutz >>> Concord, Va. >>> Germoamer at aol.com >>> > > > -- > Steve W. > Near Cooperstown, New York > NRA Member > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > he'd have become a vegan. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Dec 5 11:58:12 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:58:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: <002801c8376d$36913cb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <000c01c83738$efa1e540$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <002801c8376d$36913cb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <4420.165.206.180.115.1196884692.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Yes. Lapping uses a tool spun by hand, or using a crank. "Tappet wrenches" were thin profile wrenches used to get into the tight spaces for setting the valve clearances. (when cam is on base circle, the distance between tappet and valve stem tip) Bill > Valve spanner wrenchs sound like spanners for making adjustments to the > valve gap rather than lapping valves ? brentnz > > From jbcast at charter.net Wed Dec 5 17:10:06 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:10:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins far from home In-Reply-To: <20071204194651.T4XQN.282073.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <20071205201006.AE3CB.110923.root@fepweb02> I talked to the owner today, confirmed the deal. It will probably be the of the nmonth before I can get it. I'll find a place to post pictures when I have it home. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 5 16:48:08 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:48:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Old machinery adverts Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071206024625.00b8dd80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, I've added a page of old advertisements (1912/1913) published in our local "Farmers Weekly" magazine. It's here for anyone who cares to look: I'll add more later. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Dec 5 17:49:05 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:49:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Old machinery adverts References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071206024625.00b8dd80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001501c837aa$304363f0$97b5ecdc@Edd> They are great .Thank you for sharing. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: [SEL] Old machinery adverts > Hi Guys, > I've added a page of old advertisements (1912/1913) published in > our local "Farmers Weekly" magazine. > It's here for anyone who cares to look: > > > I'll add more later. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 5 19:30:50 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:30:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fero Compressor References: <006f01c8368c$940bc5e0$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> Message-ID: <005f01c837b8$6650f170$726f4b47@mikecomp> Where are my royalties? Where is my permission slip? Where is my attorney? MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: Cc: "Mike Royster" ; "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:59 AM Subject: RE: Fero Compressor > Hi John, > > After spending many long nights consoling Mike's wife Ann (while Mike was > locked away in some SERIOUS therapy), I can assure you that he DOES NOT > want to return to that location. In fact, merely being reminded of that > horrible day, may just be enough to send him "over the edge" again. > > If that occurs, and ol' Mike has to "go away" again for a time, I'll be > duty-bound to return to North Carolina and console his wife. The poor > dear. 8->>> > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, John DeBrular wrote: > >> Arnie, I hope that everyone reads the story of how Mike obtained your >> Fero. >> Funnier than hell. I have heard about places like that but hoped >> to never see one. Maybe Mike can tell exactly where that place is so that >> we >> can be sure to avoid it. >> >> John DeBrular >> 94 Grafton St >> Washington, WV 26181 >> debrular at suddenlink.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >> [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero >> >> I'd heard a rumor that George might print that. 8-)) Hey George, >> howzabout a "courtesy copy" of the Western Antique Iron Trader? >> >> And if you aren't a subscriber and are wondering what the HELL we're >> talking about, here's the background and the tale (not for the >> squeamish). >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero2.htm >> >> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Dave Ernst wrote: >> >> > Congrats on the reprint of your quest for your namesake compressor >> > (albeit >> > broken crankcase). >> > Makes you wonder just how big that nursing mama was!!! >> > For those who don't know, It is in the December issue of the Western >> > Antique Iron Trader. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Dec 5 21:17:02 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:17:02 EST Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches Message-ID: Hi Jim, Not only did it take a little practice to keep everything in hand and under control, you did all this with the engine running. My 1937 Chevrolet certainly did run better after I adjusted the valves. I only wish I had had a timing light and didn't have to adjust timing by ear. Ron Carroll Nokesville, Virginia USA In a message dated 12/5/2007 2:28:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes: I agree witrh brent, in the US they would have been called tappet wrenches. Long slender open end wreches. It took three of these to make the addjustment, one for the jam nuts and one fro the tappet it's self. Holding all three wrenches along with a feeler gauge took a lot of patience and dexterity. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 5 21:37:17 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:37:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59521D4C-5091-4666-AA5F-C7A93FD1BF9C@alltel.net> On Dec 6, 2007, at 12:17 AM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Jim, > Not only did it take a little practice to keep everything in hand > and under > control, ....... By golly Twin, even I'm not going to touch that one! Dave From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Dec 5 22:27:40 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:27:40 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Old machinery adverts References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071206024625.00b8dd80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <010b01c837d1$1a4cc330$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Jerry great pics of the old machinery thanks for sending them through. brentnz ---- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: [SEL] Old machinery adverts > Hi Guys, > I've added a page of old advertisements (1912/1913) published in > our local "Farmers Weekly" magazine. > It's here for anyone who cares to look: > > > I'll add more later. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: 12/5/2007 8:41 AM > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Dec 6 01:36:17 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 01:36:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches References: Message-ID: <001901c837eb$74225b30$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Hi Ron, I was thinking of one of the flathead inline engines where the tappets were below and under the manifolds. I forgot to add that there also needed to be a mirror hung on someplace and a light bulb to burn your hand on. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches Hi Jim, Not only did it take a little practice to keep everything in hand and under control, you did all this with the engine running. My 1937 Chevrolet certainly did run better after I adjusted the valves. I only wish I had had a timing light and didn't have to adjust timing by ear. Ron Carroll Nokesville, Virginia USA In a message dated 12/5/2007 2:28:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes: I agree witrh brent, in the US they would have been called tappet wrenches. Long slender open end wreches. It took three of these to make the addjustment, one for the jam nuts and one fro the tappet it's self. Holding all three wrenches along with a feeler gauge took a lot of patience and dexterity. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 6 02:10:05 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:10:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Maytag 72 parts wanted. Message-ID: <002e01c837f0$2c6c4170$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Can I ask an engine question on this list ;-))) well Multi - Motor question anyway. I am after a good straight crankshaft with good threads and journals for a Maytag 72 twin, I also am after a good cheap deal from engine mates as postage is also a killer to Australia. If you have a spare one just laying around let's do a deal, do not bog the LIST down with engine talk, contact me direct at plowe at exemail.com.au Now you can get back to talking about things other than engines ;-))))))))))))))))) Dave, Oh Evil One, leave this one alone, it is out of your league mate ;-))) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Dec 6 03:15:36 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:15:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Maytag 72 parts wanted. Message-ID: <120620071115.6675.4757D9D8000087A300001A13219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Peter, Believe I helped several years back with some dreaded Maytag (not a real engine) parts. Same old friend of mine should beable to help you but the price of shipping this time will be much higher since I never did get that beer you promised several times! Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" Subject: [SEL] Maytag 72 parts wanted. Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:19:41 +0000 > Hi all > Can I ask an engine question on this list ;-))) well Multi - Motor question > anyway. > > I am after a good straight crankshaft with good threads and journals for a > Maytag 72 twin, I also am after a good cheap deal from engine mates as > postage is also a killer to Australia. > If you have a spare one just laying around let's do a deal, do not bog the > LIST down with engine talk, contact me direct at plowe at exemail.com.au > > Now you can get back to talking about things other than engines > ;-))))))))))))))))) > > Dave, Oh Evil One, leave this one alone, it is out of your league mate > ;-))) > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 6 03:27:28 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:27:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Maytag 72 parts wanted. References: <120620071115.6675.4757D9D8000087A300001A13219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <00d601c837fa$fc339610$0601a8c0@altech> They are in the mail mate Peter, Oz > Hi Peter, > Believe I helped several years back with some dreaded Maytag (not a real > engine) parts. Same old friend of mine should beable to help you but the > price of shipping this time will be much higher since I never did get that > beer you promised several times! > Curt > > > ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "ATIS" > Subject: [SEL] Maytag 72 parts wanted. > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:19:41 +0000 > >> Hi all >> Can I ask an engine question on this list ;-))) well Multi - Motor >> question >> anyway. >> >> I am after a good straight crankshaft with good threads and journals for >> a >> Maytag 72 twin, I also am after a good cheap deal from engine mates as >> postage is also a killer to Australia. >> If you have a spare one just laying around let's do a deal, do not bog >> the >> LIST down with engine talk, contact me direct at plowe at exemail.com.au >> >> Now you can get back to talking about things other than engines >> ;-))))))))))))))))) >> >> Dave, Oh Evil One, leave this one alone, it is out of your league mate >> ;-))) >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> Ph: 61-266453455 >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 04:35:30 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:35:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] P*ssing Matches, Engine Lists and Etiquette Message-ID: <6f6025160712060435o2ddda6f9w4ea17bb7e5b6eaa4@mail.gmail.com> We seem to be getting to that time of year again where basic good manners and courtesy go out of the cabin window, and the bad manners and emotions take over. We are all grown men and know what is required of us in terms of the public face of the Lists and our hobby. A lot of people see these Lists who are not everyday message posters and may well be women/girls as well as blokes. Getting into a p*ssing match may well stir the adrenalin and give you some short-term satisfaction, but it does not enhance your image in front of the rest of the world, and in my view is completely unnecessary. Private emails are the way to go if you want to get into a heated exchange with someone, NOT on the lists and in public. I have a 'Delete' key on my keyboard, you ALL have one, so please use it and refrain from the exchanges that have made a mockery of both the engine Lists over the past few days. Both the Lists are a resource that are provided for you all at no charge, please remember that. Thank you all. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Dec 6 05:08:25 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 05:08:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] P*ssing Matches, Engine Lists and Etiquette In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712060435o2ddda6f9w4ea17bb7e5b6eaa4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160712060435o2ddda6f9w4ea17bb7e5b6eaa4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2537.165.206.180.115.1196946505.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I'm on a diuretic (sp) for my meniere's and I'll challenge anyone right now after a couple cups of coffee or a couple beers. Anyway, back on your topic, although I thought that DID match the subject line, I must've missed something - although with 200 messages a day, I don't get to read everything. Glad it's all settled. Bill antique-engines.com Chapman registry theamcpages.com theamcforum.com and a partridge in a pear tree > > Getting into a p*ssing match may well stir the adrenalin and give you > some short-term satisfaction, From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Dec 6 05:11:21 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 05:11:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2561.165.206.180.115.1196946681.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I have an older Sears Craftsman timing light I'll give someone just for the shipping costs. It didn't work for me - the light works (the strobe bulb is ok), but it didn't seem to be triggering at the correct time. I bought another Sears and it works great so it wasn't my imagination. MAYBE this light is fixable, maybe not, and maybe it was after-all, in reality, my imagination and there's nothing wrong. Inductive pickup type - clips around the plug wire. Want it - it's yours for probably about 6 bucks shipping. > > Hi Jim, > Not only did it take a little practice to keep everything in hand and > under > control, you did all this with the engine running. My 1937 Chevrolet > certainly > did run better after I adjusted the valves. I only wish I had had a > timing > light and didn't have to adjust timing by ear. > > Ron Carroll > Nokesville, Virginia USA > > > > In a message dated 12/5/2007 2:28:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes: > > I agree witrh brent, in the US they would have been called > tappet wrenches. Long slender open end wreches. It took > three of these to make the addjustment, one for the jam nuts > and one fro the tappet it's self. Holding all three > wrenches along with a feeler gauge took a lot of patience > and dexterity. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 6 07:45:44 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:45:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron: For the Stovebolt Six engine, you don't need a timing light. Just advance the timing until it pings a slightly at low speeds and high power (mash the accelerator at 10 mph in high gear) and doesn't try to kick back when starting. You'll be able to check your timing at any time. I've set up many of 'em just like that. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:17 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > > > > Hi Jim, > Not only did it take a little practice to keep > everything in hand and under > control, you did all this with the engine > running. My 1937 Chevrolet certainly > did run better after I adjusted the valves. I > only wish I had had a timing > light and didn't have to adjust timing by ear. > > Ron Carroll > Nokesville, Virginia USA From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Dec 6 07:39:39 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:39:39 EST Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches Message-ID: Hi Elden, Thanks. That's just what an old mechanic showed me how to do and it was several years and two or three cars later before I sprung for a neon timing light. I found that doing it by "ear" was getting pretty close to the specifications. I only wish I could read today's computer vehicles by listening to them. Do you suppose my age and artillery range related hearing loss is why I can't? Regards, Ron In a message dated 12/6/2007 9:48:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: Ron: For the Stovebolt Six engine, you don't need a timing light. Just advance the timing until it pings a slightly at low speeds and high power (mash the accelerator at 10 mph in high gear) and doesn't try to kick back when starting. You'll be able to check your timing at any time. I've set up many of 'em just like that. Take care - Elden **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From oiseming at moscow.com Thu Dec 6 07:43:08 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:43:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] P*ssing Matches, Engine Lists and Etiquette In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712060435o2ddda6f9w4ea17bb7e5b6eaa4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200712061543.lB6FhFcj003617@mail-gw.fsr.net> Well said, Peter. I once dis-enrolled from ATIS because of all the OT stuff and trash talk, but stuck with Oldengine because it was more businesslike. Now, it seems as though the infection has spread. I like to enjoy life and have good fun and laughs, too; but, if every element of my day was 90-percent trash and 10-percent business, it would be very frustrating. Any ignorant clod can spew trash. It takes a good man to speak and write with civility and intelligence. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:36 AM To: Stationary-Engine; SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] P*ssing Matches, Engine Lists and Etiquette We seem to be getting to that time of year again where basic good manners and courtesy go out of the cabin window, and the bad manners and emotions take over. We are all grown men and know what is required of us in terms of the public face of the Lists and our hobby. A lot of people see these Lists who are not everyday message posters and may well be women/girls as well as blokes. Getting into a p*ssing match may well stir the adrenalin and give you some short-term satisfaction, but it does not enhance your image in front of the rest of the world, and in my view is completely unnecessary. Private emails are the way to go if you want to get into a heated exchange with someone, NOT on the lists and in public. I have a 'Delete' key on my keyboard, you ALL have one, so please use it and refrain from the exchanges that have made a mockery of both the engine Lists over the past few days. Both the Lists are a resource that are provided for you all at no charge, please remember that. Thank you all. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 6 11:18:15 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:18:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron: Hmmm........Age possibly - artillery definitely! Mine (believe it or not) is supposed to be due to firing about a zillion rounds of .22 in an indoor shooting range. I was on a NRA rifle team in H.S. In addition, I did the sound mixing for a series of music shows on TeeVee. After 8 to 10 hours of listening, ear fatigue would push the monitor levels up to where I didn't have to worry about a lot of people telling me what to do. I only have Diesel cars/motorhome now. Nowadays, even they are controlled by a chip. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 09:40 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] valve spanner wrenches > > > > Hi Elden, > Thanks. That's just what an old mechanic showed > me how to do and it was > several years and two or three cars later before > I sprung for a neon timing light. > I found that doing it by "ear" was getting > pretty close to the > specifications. I only wish I could read today's > computer vehicles by listening to them. > Do you suppose my age and artillery range related > hearing loss is why I can't? > Regards, > Ron > > In a message dated 12/6/2007 9:48:57 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > edurand at mchsi.com writes: > > Ron: > > For the Stovebolt Six engine, you don't need a > timing light. Just advance > the timing until it pings a slightly at low > speeds and high power (mash the > accelerator at 10 mph in high gear) and doesn't > try to kick back when starting. > > You'll be able to check your timing at any time. > I've set up many of 'em > just like that. > > Take care - Elden From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 11:31:22 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:31:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Maytag 72 parts wanted. In-Reply-To: <002e01c837f0$2c6c4170$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <251164.94713.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a good friend that is a Maytag guy. I was just in his shop yesterday and he has a parts twin with a good crank. I know he will sell it, but I just tried to call and he isn't home. I will call back this evening and get a price for you. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Peter Lowe wrote: Hi all Can I ask an engine question on this list ;-))) well Multi - Motor question anyway. I am after a good straight crankshaft with good threads and journals for a Maytag 72 twin, I also am after a good cheap deal from engine mates as postage is also a killer to Australia. If you have a spare one just laying around let's do a deal, do not bog the LIST down with engine talk, contact me direct at plowe at exemail.com.au Now you can get back to talking about things other than engines ;-))))))))))))))))) Dave, Oh Evil One, leave this one alone, it is out of your league mate ;-))) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 7 14:56:49 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:56:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition Message-ID: Hi Folks, I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied from the factory with hot tube ignition. For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half-breeds. I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp vaporizing oil engines. If you also have an idea of the range of years the engine was offered with hot tube ignition, that would be a plus. My list, so far, includes: - Myric (and later Luther) Eclipse (circa 1903 through at least 1949) - Fairbanks Morse "T" - Fairbanks Morse "N" Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 7 14:18:51 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:18:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D05A757-334F-4403-8FE7-001714AA4275@alltel.net> My best mate has an M that he claims was an "experimental" engine. It apparently never went into production--for unknown reasons. Does that count? Should I contact my mate and see if he can provide any more information on this engine? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 7, 2007, at 5:56 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied > from the > factory with hot tube ignition. > > For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half- > breeds. > I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp > vaporizing oil engines. > > If you also have an idea of the range of years the engine was > offered with > hot tube ignition, that would be a plus. > > My list, so far, includes: > > - Myric (and later Luther) Eclipse (circa 1903 through at least 1949) > - Fairbanks Morse "T" > - Fairbanks Morse "N" > > Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > See ya, Arnie From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Fri Dec 7 14:47:19 2007 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:47:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <385777.69846.qm@web52303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Fuller & Johnson oil cooled engines came standard with both ignitor and hot tube ignition. Very late ones were ignitor only. They were built from 1901 to 1905. Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Folks, I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied from the factory with hot tube ignition. For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half-breeds. I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp vaporizing oil engines. If you also have an idea of the range of years the engine was offered with hot tube ignition, that would be a plus. My list, so far, includes: - Myric (and later Luther) Eclipse (circa 1903 through at least 1949) - Fairbanks Morse "T" - Fairbanks Morse "N" Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Fri Dec 7 14:54:51 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 22:54:51 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition Message-ID: <000a01c83924$2dbfce90$b4f26d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Over here in the U.k I know a guy who has a Briggs with this type of ignition ( was this also experimental ) don't know if it went inti production as I haven't seen another one like it. Should the owner be contacted to get any futher information which could be relevent to your list? Craig in Scotland From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Dec 7 15:58:25 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:58:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4759DE21.80308@scrtc.com> Arnie, Here's some that are out in the shed: IHC (the early "Horizontal" models and then the Famous models) White Middleton Olds (Gearless model's both upright and horizontals) Weber Crossley (early models, some had a timed hot tube, both horizontal and uprights had hot tubes) Stickney (Jr. model and early horizontals) Charter Foos Temple Inverted Others that I don't have (but I'm looking for!): Backus Bauer (early) I'm sure there are several more that I'll think of. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied from the >factory with hot tube ignition. > >For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half-breeds. >I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp >vaporizing oil engines. > >If you also have an idea of the range of years the engine was offered with >hot tube ignition, that would be a plus. > >My list, so far, includes: > >- Myric (and later Luther) Eclipse (circa 1903 through at least 1949) >- Fairbanks Morse "T" >- Fairbanks Morse "N" > >Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 7 17:07:27 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:07:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <4759DE21.80308@scrtc.com> References: <4759DE21.80308@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1197076047.4759ee4fb6b6d@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, I KNEW I could count on you!! 8-)) When you say a "timed hot tube" are you referring to the sort of rig I've seen in England where the burner & chimney clamp to a parallel rod and can be moved up and down to change where the hot spot is on the hot tube thus affecting the timing? See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Arnie, > Here's some that are out in the shed: > > IHC (the early "Horizontal" models and then the Famous models) > White Middleton > Olds (Gearless model's both upright and horizontals) > Weber > Crossley (early models, some had a timed hot tube, both horizontal and > uprights had hot tubes) > Stickney (Jr. model and early horizontals) > Charter > Foos > Temple Inverted > > Others that I don't have (but I'm looking for!): > > Backus > Bauer (early) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Dec 7 17:33:02 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:33:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <1197076047.4759ee4fb6b6d@webmail.city-net.com> References: <4759DE21.80308@scrtc.com> <1197076047.4759ee4fb6b6d@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4759F44E.507@scrtc.com> Arnie, The timed hot tube has a mechanism that allows the red hot tube to be exposed to the cylinder at a specific time. This can be accomplished by the tube being located in a separate chamber connected with a valve of sorts that would allow the chamber to be exposed to the cylinder at a specific time. I've never had one apart and perhaps some of our folks from across the water can give us specifics if they have. Tommy Turner fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hi Tommy, > >I KNEW I could count on you!! 8-)) > >When you say a "timed hot tube" are you referring to the sort of rig I've seen >in England where the burner & chimney clamp to a parallel rod and can be moved >up and down to change where the hot spot is on the hot tube thus affecting the >timing? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > > > >>Arnie, >> Here's some that are out in the shed: >> >>IHC (the early "Horizontal" models and then the Famous models) >>White Middleton >>Olds (Gearless model's both upright and horizontals) >>Weber >>Crossley (early models, some had a timed hot tube, both horizontal and >>uprights had hot tubes) >>Stickney (Jr. model and early horizontals) >>Charter >>Foos >>Temple Inverted >> >>Others that I don't have (but I'm looking for!): >> >>Backus >>Bauer (early) >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 7 18:08:40 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:08:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ABD1179-A5DA-486C-8CFC-97B940AEC39B@rustyiron.com> The three that I can think of that are in our stable are Allan Brothers, Crossley and National. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Dec 7, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied > from the > factory with hot tube ignition. > > For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half- > breeds. > I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp > vaporizing oil engines. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 7 18:54:43 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:54:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <4759F44E.507@scrtc.com> References: <4759DE21.80308@scrtc.com> <1197076047.4759ee4fb6b6d@webmail.city-net.com> <4759F44E.507@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1197082483.475a077340e06@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, Oh, THAT's NEAT!!! Dave's Austral has a timing valve like that. See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > The timed hot tube has a mechanism that allows the red hot tube to > be exposed to the cylinder at a specific time. This can be accomplished > by the tube being located in a separate chamber connected with a valve > of sorts that would allow the chamber to be exposed to the cylinder at a > specific time. I've never had one apart and perhaps some of our folks > from across the water can give us specifics if they have. From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Dec 7 21:14:35 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:14:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly about 1909?? http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie National rally. Russell At 09:56 AM 8/12/2007, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied from the >factory with hot tube ignition. > >For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half-breeds. >I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp >vaporizing oil engines. > >If you also have an idea of the range of years the engine was offered with >hot tube ignition, that would be a plus. > >My list, so far, includes: > >- Myric (and later Luther) Eclipse (circa 1903 through at least 1949) >- Fairbanks Morse "T" >- Fairbanks Morse "N" > >Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Dec 7 21:23:47 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:23:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <475A2A63.8040106@scrtc.com> Nice Russell! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA Russell Gilbert wrote: >Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly about 1909?? >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML >I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting >great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie National rally. >Russell > > >At 09:56 AM 8/12/2007, you wrote: > > >>Hi Folks, >> >>I'm trying to compile a list of those engines that were supplied from the >>factory with hot tube ignition. >> >>For my purposes, I'm excluding the large oilfield engines and half-breeds. >>I'm also not looking for the many lamp-start and continuous lamp >>vaporizing oil engines. >> >>If you also have an idea of the range of years the engine was offered with >>hot tube ignition, that would be a plus. >> >>My list, so far, includes: >> >>- Myric (and later Luther) Eclipse (circa 1903 through at least 1949) >>- Fairbanks Morse "T" >>- Fairbanks Morse "N" >> >>Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 7 21:39:16 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:39:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> Man, that's a beautiful hunk of iron, Russell. I can't quite tell from the picture, but is your Campbell governed off a pendulum on the bottom pushrod, or a flyball off the upper shaft? Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly > about 1909?? > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML > I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting > great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie > National rally. > Russell From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 7 23:09:33 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:09:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition References: <4759DE21.80308@scrtc.com> <1197076047.4759ee4fb6b6d@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001b01c83969$500b8260$a210eedc@fred> We hava aTangyes, Hot tube ignition, timing is changed by moving flame along the tube to advance or retard firing. David Watts (03) 87616332 http://thumb18.webshots.net/t/57/657/4/50/62/2090450620098406298MebCzj_th.jpg damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 7 23:27:51 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:27:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition Message-ID: <001801c8396b$d7d5dc20$a210eedc@fred> We hava aTangyes, Hot tube ignition, timing is changed by moving flame along the tube to advance or retard firing. It has a pendulum Govenor that operates on the exhaust valve which makes it a hit & miss type eng. most hot bulb engines that I have seen operate the miss cycle on the fuel valve so as to maintain heat in the hot bulb, but not this cantankerous Tangyes. Likes to be in a warm shed! http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2090450620098406298MebCzj?vhost=home-and-garden David Watts (03) 87616332>> damewatt at bigpond.com>> Brian Watts (03) 97266147>> briwatt at optusnet.com.au>> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat>>>>>> -->> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database:269.16.17/1177 - Release Date: 7/12/2007 1:11 PM>>>>> From pcgray at zoominternet.net Sat Dec 8 11:43:49 2007 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:43:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] hot tube engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arnie- Let us not forget those little pumpers: National Transit- "Lil Hummer 3.5 HP circa 1908-1920 VT13- 7.5 and 11.5 HP circa teens Vertical no name- circa 1900-1915, ~5 HP guesses on the dates American Railway Appliance Co- ARACO 2,4,5,6 and 12 HP verticals circa 1910-1920, air and water cooled out of business from city directories about 1922 Bovaird 2, 4, 6 HP verticals water cooled circa 1905-1920 Bovaird and Seyfang 2,4,? HP verticals water and air cooled teens? Oil Well Supply Co 4 HP vertical, teens, air cooled. I have a bunch of them posted on the photo album on enginads. All of these came as either hot tube or accessory mags/buzz coil. The teens, early 20's seems to be the heyday for these engines.... Paul myrickmachine at gmail.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Dec 8 12:21:05 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 20:21:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Website Housekeeping Message-ID: <6f6025160712081221p37ad18f2q160f65667482c1e3@mail.gmail.com> Those of us who have websites hosted by Oldengine and other sites might like to take a look at some of the 'rubbish' that needs to be cleaned out occasionally, both to free up space on the server and as a general housekeeping job. The worst offenders are Paint Shop Pro and other graphics editing programmes. When you look at a folder of pictures on your PC, the programme (program) will create a file of thumbnails and save that to your hard drive. This file is called "pspbrwse.jbf" for Paint Shop Pro, and every folder you go into to look at pictures you will find one of these files in there. A large folder can have a very large instance of this file, we have found 4mb and above in folders such as our Portland trip folders. These get carried over to the websites (mostly accidentally) and you end up with a very big amount of server space that could really be used for better things. Next time you transfer files to your website, have a look for these sort of files and delete them, as they cannot be used on the server in any way. Don't delete them on your PC as the files are there to save time getting the thumbnails up on screen when you look in the folder next time. You can also set PSP up not to save the browser file. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pitty10 at aapt.net.au Sat Dec 8 14:15:01 2007 From: pitty10 at aapt.net.au (Bradley Pitt) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 09:15:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell Message-ID: <000c01c839e7$ccca2e90$a7de653b@brad> Russ, Are you setting the bench mark, if your taking yours to the national i will have to take mine. Brad From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sat Dec 8 15:25:26 2007 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:25:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell References: <000c01c839e7$ccca2e90$a7de653b@brad> Message-ID: <001b01c839f1$a6f36650$50ad57ca@n> Brad and Russ, if you both do that then i will have to take mine then, make a good set at rally! mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bradley Pitt" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Campbell > Russ, > Are you setting the bench mark, if your taking yours to the national i > will have to take mine. > Brad > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sat Dec 8 15:45:14 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:45:14 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Hot Tube Engines Message-ID: <001501c839f4$61b8e5d0$39c26f58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Arnie, From Scotland you already have Allen Bros, Ashgrove Works Aberdeen but there is also Alexander Shanks Dens Iron Works Arbroath ( which is about 25 miles south of Aberdeen). I also have an engine which has cast into the hopper the words The Angus which is by an unknown maker either Wilson of Aberdeen or Shanks of Arbroath. Another manufacturer is Wilson of Aberdeen who's full details I will forward latter, there are atleast a couple of Wilson engines in Australia . Cheers, Craig P.S ; Hope this makes up for the earlier post From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Dec 8 17:44:42 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:44:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell In-Reply-To: <001b01c839f1$a6f36650$50ad57ca@n> References: <000c01c839e7$ccca2e90$a7de653b@brad> <001b01c839f1$a6f36650$50ad57ca@n> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071209124028.01af4198@ncable.com.au> I thought this was going to happen anyway! for everybody else to catch up with whats going on, I bought my engine some time back, One look at it and I had to have it, (they really are a very attractive engine) then along came one for sale in the TOMM that Mick just could not live with out (a smaller engine about 2hp?? from memory) and then Brad drove to Brisbane for an engine sale and stole his from the deceased estate :-) (Brads is about a 4hp), they should look quite a site lined up together at Murray bridge National. At 10:25 AM 9/12/2007, you wrote: >Brad and Russ, >if you both do that then i will have to take mine then, make a good set at >rally! > mick >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bradley Pitt" >To: >Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:15 AM >Subject: [SEL] Campbell > > > > Russ, > > Are you setting the bench mark, if your taking yours to the national i > > will have to take mine. > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Dec 8 17:59:15 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:59:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> Rob they really are a great looking engine. the top shaft is a side shaft running the flyball governor only. The movement of the flyball works the pendulum engaging the push rod to work the rocker arm. I have not seen one running and will be fun getting this one restored. It would seem that the engine will be a hand full to set up with fuel flow needing to be spot on, the flyball govenor tension right, and then the adjustment of the weight of the pendulum. All that while learing about constant flame hot tube ignition. Russell At 04:39 PM 8/12/2007, you wrote: >Man, that's a beautiful hunk of iron, Russell. I can't quite tell >from the picture, but is your Campbell governed off a pendulum on the >bottom pushrod, or a flyball off the upper shaft? > > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > >On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > > Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly > > about 1909?? > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML > > I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting > > great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie > > National rally. > > Russell > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 8 20:59:23 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:59:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <1197176363.475b762ba76ac@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Russell, Damn, that sounds like an engine designer's sick joke. 8-)) Do you have any close-ups of the flyball governor & pendulum area? I'm having trouble trying to picture how it all would work together. How far away is completion of this project on your "list"; you mentioned the next National? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Russell Gilbert : > Rob they really are a great looking engine. the top shaft is a side > shaft running the flyball governor only. The movement of the flyball > works the pendulum engaging the push rod to work the rocker arm. I > have not seen one running and will be fun getting this one restored. > It would seem that the engine will be a hand full to set up with fuel > flow needing to be spot on, the flyball govenor tension right, and > then the adjustment of the weight of the pendulum. All that while > learing about constant flame hot tube ignition. > > At 04:39 PM 8/12/2007, you wrote: > >Man, that's a beautiful hunk of iron, Russell. I can't quite tell > >from the picture, but is your Campbell governed off a pendulum on the > >bottom pushrod, or a flyball off the upper shaft? > > > >On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > > Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly > > > about 1909?? > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML > > > I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting > > > great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie > > > National rally. From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Dec 8 22:07:32 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:07:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <1197176363.475b762ba76ac@webmail.city-net.com> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> <1197176363.475b762ba76ac@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071209170617.01ae6648@ncable.com.au> Arnie it a way off at this point. Still trying to un-seize the piston. The next national is about 15 months away. Russell PS: will send pics direct. At 03:59 PM 9/12/2007, you wrote: >G'day Russell, > >Damn, that sounds like an engine designer's sick joke. 8-)) >Do you have any close-ups of the flyball governor & pendulum area? >I'm having trouble trying to picture how it all would work together. > >How far away is completion of this project on your "list"; you mentioned the >next National? > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >Quoting Russell Gilbert : > > > Rob they really are a great looking engine. the top shaft is a side > > shaft running the flyball governor only. The movement of the flyball > > works the pendulum engaging the push rod to work the rocker arm. I > > have not seen one running and will be fun getting this one restored. > > It would seem that the engine will be a hand full to set up with fuel > > flow needing to be spot on, the flyball govenor tension right, and > > then the adjustment of the weight of the pendulum. All that while > > learing about constant flame hot tube ignition. > > > > At 04:39 PM 8/12/2007, you wrote: > > >Man, that's a beautiful hunk of iron, Russell. I can't quite tell > > >from the picture, but is your Campbell governed off a pendulum on the > > >bottom pushrod, or a flyball off the upper shaft? > > > > > >On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > > > Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly > > > > about 1909?? > > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML > > > > I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting > > > > great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie > > > > National rally. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 9 00:38:06 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 08:38:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale Message-ID: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> We have been contacted by a guy in the USA who has a couple of Nordberg Power Chief generating sets and is looking to see if there is any interest. Pictures of these engines are on our website in the Nordberg section. Hours run 2000 approx, Kato alternators and about 10kVA. Please contact me in the first instance, enquiries will be passed on. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Sun Dec 9 03:06:18 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:06:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Russell,give me the number and I will date it for you.I have all the Shop Number Books for the Hallifax Campbells.> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:59:15 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: Re: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition> > Rob they really are a great looking engine. the top shaft is a side > shaft running the flyball governor only. The movement of the flyball > works the pendulum engaging the push rod to work the rocker arm. I > have not seen one running and will be fun getting this one restored. > It would seem that the engine will be a hand full to set up with fuel > flow needing to be spot on, the flyball govenor tension right, and > then the adjustment of the weight of the pendulum. All that while > learing about constant flame hot tube ignition.> > Russell> > At 04:39 PM 8/12/2007, you wrote:> >Man, that's a beautiful hunk of iron, Russell. I can't quite tell> >from the picture, but is your Campbell governed off a pendulum on the> >bottom pushrod, or a flyball off the upper shaft?> >> > Rob Skinner> > La Habra, California> > www.rustyiron.com> >> >> >> >> >> >On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:> >> > > Arnie I have a 6hp Campbell that has hot tube ignition, roughly> > > about 1909??> > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2469500470036399874CPItML> > > I must get some better pics of it up at some point. I will be putting> > > great effort into getting this one restored for the next Aussie> > > National rally.> > > Russell> >> >> >_______________________________________________> >SEL mailing list> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Dec 9 08:41:31 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:41:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter: Are you SURE these gensets are only 10Kw??!! Seems a LOT small for a Nordberg. Let me know and I'll see if I can find anyone who's interested in saving them. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 02:38 AM > To: Stationary-Engine; SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder > Generators for sale > > > We have been contacted by a guy in the USA who > has a couple of > Nordberg Power Chief generating sets and is > looking to see if there is > any interest. > > Pictures of these engines are on our website in > the Nordberg section. > Hours run 2000 approx, Kato alternators and about 10kVA. > > Please contact me in the first instance, > enquiries will be passed on. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 9 08:04:29 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:04:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712090804t2f19ad06r4d5d95d8e1c94017@mail.gmail.com> On 09/12/2007, Elden DuRand wrote: > Peter: > > Are you SURE these gensets are only 10Kw??!! Seems a LOT small for a Nordberg. > > Let me know and I'll see if I can find anyone who's interested in saving them. > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com They did some small stuff as well as the big thumpers. http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nordberg/Nordberg1.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Dec 9 08:22:57 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 08:22:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition References: <001801c8396b$d7d5dc20$a210eedc@fred> Message-ID: <005901c83a7f$c2e36840$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> A couple of questions on this. How many degrees of timing change happen by moving the flame spot. I thought that timing was changed by adjusting the length of the tube. Would this be a fine and course adjustments. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition We hava aTangyes, Hot tube ignition, timing is changed by moving flame along the tube to advance or retard firing. It has a pendulum Govenor that operates on the exhaust valve which makes it a hit & miss type eng. most hot bulb engines that I have seen operate the miss cycle on the fuel valve so as to maintain heat in the hot bulb, but not this cantankerous Tangyes. Likes to be in a warm shed! http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2090450620098406298MebCzj?vhost=home-and-gardenDavid Watts (03) 87616332>> damewatt at bigpond.com>> BrianWatts (03) 97266147>> briwatt at optusnet.com.au>>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat>>>>>> -->> Novirus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG FreeEdition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database:269.16.17/1177 -Release Date: 7/12/2007 1:11 PM>>>>>_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel--No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1178 - ReleaseDate: 12/8/2007 11:59 AM From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Dec 9 09:41:24 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 09:41:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale Message-ID: <20071209.094124.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Peter. Where in the USA are the units located? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 08:38:06 +0000 Listerdiesel writes: > We have been contacted by a guy in the USA who has a couple of > Nordberg Power Chief generating sets and is looking to see if there > is > any interest. > > Pictures of these engines are on our website in the Nordberg > section. > Hours run 2000 approx, Kato alternators and about 10kVA. > > Please contact me in the first instance, enquiries will be passed > on. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 9 10:03:56 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:03:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: <20071209.094124.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20071209.094124.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712091003k5670466fn72858d1cc92b1268@mail.gmail.com> On 09/12/2007, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Peter. Where in the USA are the units located? > > Ron Haskell I know not, Ron, only that they served a radio station in the Mojave Desert. I have passed your details on to the vendor. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Dec 9 13:58:23 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:58:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071210085703.01b21690@ncable.com.au> G'day John. the serial number of my engine is 6297 regards Russell At 10:06 PM 9/12/2007, you wrote: >Russell,give me the number and I will date it for you.I have all the >Shop Number Books for the Hallifax Campbells.> Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Dec 9 15:12:39 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:12:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712090804t2f19ad06r4d5d95d8e1c94017@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter: I'd be interested in one of them if they weren't all the way out near the left coast. If no one else wants 'em, I'll ask around. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:04 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief > 2-cylinder Generators for sale > > > On 09/12/2007, Elden DuRand wrote: > > Peter: > > > > Are you SURE these gensets are only 10Kw??!! > Seems a LOT small for a Nordberg. > > > > Let me know and I'll see if I can find anyone > who's interested in saving them. > > > > Take care - Elden > > edurand at mchsi.com > > They did some small stuff as well as the big thumpers. > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nordberg/Nordberg1.htm > > Peter From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Dec 9 15:39:34 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:39:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale Message-ID: <20071209.153934.1192.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Peter. He has contacted me already. I'll let you know what works out. Thanks Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:03:56 +0000 Listerdiesel writes: > On 09/12/2007, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > Hi Peter. Where in the USA are the units located? > > > > Ron Haskell > > I know not, Ron, only that they served a radio station in the Mojave > Desert. > > I have passed your details on to the vendor. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk From milo at hughes.net Sun Dec 9 16:18:45 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 19:18:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c83ac2$42540c50$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel >Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:38 AM >To: Stationary-Engine; SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale > >We have been contacted by a guy in the USA who has a couple of >Nordberg Power Chief generating sets and is looking to see if there is >any interest. > >Pictures of these engines are on our website in the Nordberg section. >Hours run 2000 approx, Kato alternators and about 10kVA. > >Please contact me in the first instance, enquiries will be passed on. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk Peter, if it's not too late, I'd like to put my name in the hat. Thank You Milo Holroyd Kalamazoo, Michigan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: 12/9/2007 11:06 AM From jbcast at charter.net Sun Dec 9 17:21:54 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:21:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Titan-timely stop Message-ID: <20071209202154.AUGL5.303039.root@fepweb02> Iv'e been visiting a throttle goeverned 8hp IH Titan for years, sometimes the owner was home. This was a project engine that got stale. It's in pieces , seems to be almost complete, on original cart. He had the crank built up and put it back in the block, didn't do any more. Katrina took the roof off the shed and it's been exposed to the weather. Today I made a deal for it, swapped a smaller engine. I'll have to resleeve it, may need a fuel pump, not sure. The water pump, mixer,ignitor and rocker arm were there, as well as the remains of the screen cooler. This engine is on the way to the Desjardin, I'll take the big trailer and pick them both up during the holiday season if all goes well. I'll give an update when they're home. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Dec 9 17:43:08 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:43:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Titan-timely stop In-Reply-To: <20071209202154.AUGL5.303039.root@fepweb02> References: <20071209202154.AUGL5.303039.root@fepweb02> Message-ID: ...and don't forget the camera! Congratulations. On Dec 9, 2007, at 5:21 PM, wrote: > Iv'e been visiting a throttle goeverned 8hp IH Titan for years, > sometimes the owner was home. This was a project engine that got > stale. It's in pieces , seems to be almost complete, on original > cart. He had the crank built up and put it back in the block, didn't > do any more. Katrina took the roof off the shed and it's been > exposed to the weather. Today I made a deal for it, swapped a > smaller engine. I'll have to resleeve it, may need a fuel pump, not > sure. The water pump, mixer,ignitor and rocker arm were there, as > well as the remains of the screen cooler. This engine is on the way > to the Desjardin, I'll take the big trailer and pick them both up > during the holiday season if all goes well. I'll give an update when > they're home. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 9 17:57:07 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:57:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Titan-timely stop In-Reply-To: <20071209202154.AUGL5.303039.root@fepweb02> References: <20071209202154.AUGL5.303039.root@fepweb02> Message-ID: <475C9CF3.5070400@scrtc.com> Congratulations on getting a deal struck. And you knew that Shoe Box Fairbanks would come in hand to trade some day! As Rob said, take some photos. I enjoy the "here's where I got it" stories a great deal. I wished I had photographed and documented some of my adventures. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky jbcast at charter.net wrote: >Iv'e been visiting a throttle goeverned 8hp IH Titan for years, sometimes the owner was home. This was a project engine that got stale. It's in pieces , seems to be almost complete, on original cart. He had the crank built up and put it back in the block, didn't do any more. Katrina took the roof off the shed and it's been exposed to the weather. Today I made a deal for it, swapped a smaller engine. I'll have to resleeve it, may need a fuel pump, not sure. The water pump, mixer,ignitor and rocker arm were there, as well as the remains of the screen cooler. This engine is on the way to the Desjardin, I'll take the big trailer and pick them both up during the holiday season if all goes well. I'll give an update when they're home. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 9 18:20:00 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:20:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engines on Ebay with Starter Message-ID: <475CA250.6030507@scrtc.com> There is a neat set up on ebay. Two ZC 118 engines are on there for sale but included is an electric starter for them. I've never seen the starter set up before and it would be nice to have for any old iron. Here's the item number: 290189306082 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 00:33:42 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:33:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: <000301c83ac2$42540c50$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> References: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> <000301c83ac2$42540c50$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <6f6025160712100033l4648ed2ep7cc2421fff020aae@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/2007, Milo wrote: > Peter, if it's not too late, I'd like to put my name in the hat. > Thank You > > Milo Holroyd Details passed on. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 00:37:14 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:37:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Power Chief 2-cylinder Generators for sale In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160712090038t68badf49g6d87ea13b03f15c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712100037w203001bbvd89a1d3d4f0e5527@mail.gmail.com> On 09/12/2007, Elden DuRand wrote: > Peter: > > Are you SURE these gensets are only 10Kw??!! Seems a LOT small for a Nordberg. > > Let me know and I'll see if I can find anyone who's interested in saving them. > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com The are probably 18-20kVA as the single-cylinder is 9kVA. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Mon Dec 10 02:20:04 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:20:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Campbell dating. In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071210085703.01b21690@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20071210085703.01b21690@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Russell,your engine is a 6 bhp Campbell Oil Engine dispatched from the works on 12-8-08 to Clark Fauset,Brisbane. I have dated this engine before. Any one else got a number they want looked up? John.> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:58:23 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: Re: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition> > G'day John. the serial number of my engine is 6297 regards Russell> > At 10:06 PM 9/12/2007, you wrote:> > >Russell,give me the number and I will date it for you.I have all the > >Shop Number Books for the Hallifax Campbells.>> > Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at att.net Mon Dec 10 09:39:52 2007 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:39:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition Message-ID: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Did all hot tube engines also run on natural gas too? Glenn From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Dec 10 10:04:39 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:04:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <475D7FB7.50609@scrtc.com> No Glenn, a lot of them had gasoline torches and ran on gasoline. I would think it a bit unusual for an engine to have a natural gas torch on the hot tube and then run on gasoline but I guess it could happen and probable did in some cases. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky >Did all hot tube engines also run on natural gas too? > >Glenn >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 10 10:08:20 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:08:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Dec 10, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Glenn Karch wrote: > Did all hot tube engines also run on natural gas too? > > Glenn Nope. The process works just as well with liquid fuel. Rob From curt at imc-group.com Mon Dec 10 10:10:42 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:10:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <475D8122.7040603@imc-group.com> Glenn, Seems like I've seen a photo of the earliest IHC engines with a small petrol tank hung over the front of the engine a few feet up (4"?) to fuel the hot tube. Maybe I'm recalling that entirely incorrectly. I'll try and have a look in the old IHC catalog I have. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Glenn Karch wrote: > Did all hot tube engines also run on natural gas too? > > Glenn > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Dec 10 10:53:20 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:53:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <475D8122.7040603@imc-group.com> References: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <475D8122.7040603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <475D8B20.3010501@scrtc.com> You're right Curt, I've got one of them. The small tank hangs on the water pipe about 3 feet or so above the cylinder. The gravity pressure from the tank is enough for the torch. I think the hot tube ignition on these engines was a bit of a gimmick to ease people to the transition to electric ignition. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Glenn, >Seems like I've seen a photo of the earliest IHC engines with a small >petrol tank hung over the front of the engine a few feet up (4"?) to >fuel the hot tube. >Maybe I'm recalling that entirely incorrectly. I'll try and have a look >in the old IHC catalog I have. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >Glenn Karch wrote: > > >>Did all hot tube engines also run on natural gas too? >> >>Glenn >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Dec 10 14:28:53 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:28:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. Message-ID: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes that some might find interested. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/rathbun/ Take care. Ken Christison Conway, NC www.kenskritters.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Dec 10 16:08:47 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:08:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. References: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c83b8a$00b72f70$0202a8c0@Ed> Ken, Are there any pictures or drawings to go with the text? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. > > I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes that some might > find interested. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/rathbun/ > > Take care. > > Ken Christison > Conway, NC > www.kenskritters.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Dec 10 17:29:03 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:29:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. Message-ID: <380-22007122111293171@coastalnet.com> Ed, This is all the info that is in the book. Sorry...... Ken > [Original Message] > From: Ed stoller > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 12/10/2007 7:12:24 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. > > Ken, > > Are there any pictures or drawings to go with the text? From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Dec 10 17:52:18 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:52:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. References: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <018f01c83b98$76b43b10$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Hi Ken, Thanks for posting the hot tube article. It kind of implies that the engine has to throttle goverened not hit and miss, does anybody have any knowledge on this? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes that some might find interested. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/rathbun/ Take care. Ken Christison Conway, NC www.kenskritters.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Dec 10 18:11:41 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:11:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. In-Reply-To: <018f01c83b98$76b43b10$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> References: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> <018f01c83b98$76b43b10$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <475DF1DD.2070901@scrtc.com> Jim, No, hit and miss engines were hot tube also. The Myrick engines were H/M as were the Famous and most of the Type N Fairbanks engines. My Stickney Jr. is hot tube and its a H/M so were the Gearless Olds and many others. I think the efficience of using a hot tube on a H/M was greatly diminshed as you were using energy to heat a tube that was only used 3 or 4 times a minute, more often if under load. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY JIM KIRKES wrote: >Hi Ken, > >Thanks for posting the hot tube article. It kind of implies >that the engine has to throttle goverened not hit and miss, >does anybody have any >knowledge on this? > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >Hemet, California U.S.A. >jd.kirkes at verizon.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Christison" >To: >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:28 PM >Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. > > > >I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes that some >might >find interested. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/rathbun/ > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >www.kenskritters.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Dec 10 18:49:45 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:49:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. References: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> <018f01c83b98$76b43b10$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <475DF1DD.2070901@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <01d301c83ba0$7d2c71d0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Hi Tommy, Thanks for the info, I have been mulling over converting an engine that I have to hot tube. Sounds like it would be an interesting project but it will have to wait for all of the other things. I suppose there is really no point in doing this as it works fine like it is, but it would be fun. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. Jim, No, hit and miss engines were hot tube also. The Myrick engines were H/M as were the Famous and most of the Type N Fairbanks engines. My Stickney Jr. is hot tube and its a H/M so were the Gearless Olds and many others. I think the efficience of using a hot tube on a H/M was greatly diminshed as you were using energy to heat a tube that was only used 3 or 4 times a minute, more often if under load. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY JIM KIRKES wrote: >Hi Ken, > >Thanks for posting the hot tube article. It kind of >implies >that the engine has to throttle goverened not hit and miss, >does anybody have any >knowledge on this? > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >Hemet, California U.S.A. >jd.kirkes at verizon.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Christison" >To: >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:28 PM >Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. > > > >I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes that some >might >find interested. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/rathbun/ > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >www.kenskritters.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Dec 10 19:37:02 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:37:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <01d301c83ba0$7d2c71d0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <536637.96363.qm@web82014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was waiting for the official announcement from Spencer about the Charity Auction, but haven't seen it yet. I read on one of the other atis email lists that they had listed several items. So, I proceeded to list 2 of the Mini Engines from Turtle Creek Scale Models. One is a Stover and the other is a Root & Vandervoort. (I missed getting one to Dave before he left the Baraboo show to take to Portland for the summer auction). So, BID EARLY, OFTEN, AND EVEN AGAINST YOURSELF !!! Steve +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, Illinois http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net Turtle Creek Scale Model Engines available at: http://users.ameritech.net/stevebarr/gasenginemodels.htm +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 10 19:39:37 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:39:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <704546.21201.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1197344377.475e0679ca812@webmail.city-net.com> Nope. 8-) Quoting Glenn Karch : > Did all hot tube engines also run on natural gas too? From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 10 19:48:44 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:48:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. In-Reply-To: <018f01c83b98$76b43b10$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> References: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> <018f01c83b98$76b43b10$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <1054F0ED-11A3-4BBF-AFF7-E6CDE86C1889@rustyiron.com> On Dec 10, 2007, at 5:52 PM, JIM KIRKES wrote: > Thanks for posting the hot tube article. It kind of implies > that the engine has to throttle goverened not hit and miss, > does anybody have any > knowledge on this? Sorry Jim, Hit & miss or throttle governed -- it doesn't matter. Rob From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Dec 10 20:01:16 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:01:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell dating. In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071208160905.01a54dd0@ncable.com.au> <66464B3A-31F4-4C7D-B0E3-5DB9BDC03424@rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071209125033.01adeaa8@ncable.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20071210085703.01b21690@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071211145941.01b404f8@ncable.com.au> Thanks John, I thought you gave me details some time back when we were chating about the petter but I couldn't find record of it so no harm done. I have saved the info with my engine doc's now. many thanks, regards Russell At 09:20 PM 10/12/2007, you wrote: >Hi Russell,your engine is a 6 bhp Campbell Oil Engine dispatched >from the works on 12-8-08 to Clark Fauset,Brisbane. I have dated >this engine before. Any one else got a number they want looked >up? John.> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:58:23 +1100> To: >sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Factory Hot Tube Ignition> > G'day John. the >serial number of my engine is 6297 regards Russell> > At 10:06 PM >9/12/2007, you wrote:> > >Russell,give me the number and I will date >it for you.I have all the > >Shop Number Books for the Hallifax >Campbells.>> > Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> >russell at ncable.com.au> >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > >_______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Dec 11 02:47:51 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:47:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young Rally 10 days ago. They can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html (Sorry about the delay - renovating the house) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 11 03:08:13 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:08:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Kaesler Reliance engine Message-ID: Can anyone date a 6 HP Kaesler Reliance engine manufactured in Hahndorf, South Australia its number is 74. Owner is in NZ and has asked for help Kerry Morris Lithgow Oz From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 11 03:19:40 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:19:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally References: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <010001c83be7$b9e780a0$a47b6c3a@domain.invalid> Very good mate.As usual. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Young Rally > I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young Rally 10 > days ago. They can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html > > (Sorry about the delay - renovating the house) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 11 08:27:56 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:27:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. In-Reply-To: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: Ken: Thanks for the hot tube info. I've saved the files for reference. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ken > Christison > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 04:29 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. > > > > I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes > that some might > find interested. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resour > ces/rathbun/ > > Take care. > > Ken Christison From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 11 08:35:37 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:35:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. In-Reply-To: <380-2200712110222853937@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: Ken: I just checked out the "save as" pictures from your web page and they are too fuzzy to use. I simply printed them direct and they are fine. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ken > Christison > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 04:29 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Hot tube info. > > > > I just scanned a few pages of info on hot tubes > that some might > find interested. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resour ces/rathbun/ From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 15:44:13 2007 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:44:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Thanks for the pics Patrick. Great job as usual.Lyndsay > From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:47:51 +1100> Subject: [SEL] Young Rally> > I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young Rally 10> days ago. They can be seen at:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html> > (Sorry about the delay - renovating the house)> > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT From oldironnut at alltel.net Wed Dec 12 06:10:36 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:10:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <908BEBBD-6890-41F2-9946-744FE516EB2C@alltel.net> On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young > Rally 10 > days ago. They can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html Great pictures Patrick! I'm curious, there seem to be a LOT of IHC engines there. Did IHC sell a lot of engines in Australia originally or have collectors imported them there recently? Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at alltel.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From curt at imc-group.com Wed Dec 12 06:49:11 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:49:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <475FF4E7.6030402@imc-group.com> Patrick, Did you happen to record the s/n on this 8HP IHC? Interesting engine. I gather it is a kero burning engine. Throttler? Did anyone note the extra bolts on the operator side at the hot tube and the water outlet? Not seen this before. Patrick, your continued devotion to spectacular photos at rallies is very much appreciated! Curt Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young Rally 10 > days ago. They can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html > > (Sorry about the delay - renovating the house) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Dec 12 14:43:22 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:43:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell on Webshots Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071213093013.01a5b5a0@ncable.com.au> G'day all engine folk. A number of list men have been in touch with me off list regarding the campbell hot tube engine. I went over to the shed this morning and took a number of pictures of the governor mechanism to better show how it works. There are also other pics the the engine generally. These have now been put into my webshots albums: see http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse The picture the other day showed a green old resto campbell. This engine was bought the day before I got to Queensland to have a look at this gear. It has a mechanical lubricator on it where mine does not. My engine is not missing this, it just never had one fitted? The engine for sale in the TOMM a while back now belongs to Mick Christie. His engine has a drip oiler of all cast iron, not Brass and glass? Not sure what Brad Pitts engine has. So there does seem to be a number of differences between the campbells we know of. They are quite a rare beast. regards Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Dec 12 16:19:08 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:19:08 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally References: <20071211104744.TOPS3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <908BEBBD-6890-41F2-9946-744FE516EB2C@alltel.net> Message-ID: <012c01c83d1d$c98a2940$210110ac@Chester> Mike, IHC did sell lots of engines in Australia, there is a lot of m models & famous,s in collections here, in W.A anyway, cheers, Chester from West Aussie. > > Great pictures Patrick! I'm curious, there seem to be a LOT of IHC > engines there. Did IHC sell a lot of engines in Australia originally > or have collectors imported them there recently? > > Mike > > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at alltel.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 12 17:47:13 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:47:13 EST Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2007 6:48:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com writes: _http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html) Patrick Thanks for the great photos! On the first page there are photos 21/22 of a 6M International on original steel. Does anyone know what the half moon shaped piece of metal is bolted to the side of the chassis near the front axle? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 12 18:03:01 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:03:01 EST Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: In a message dated 12/12/2007 9:58:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Did anyone note the extra bolts on the operator side at the hot tube and the water outlet? Not seen this before. Curt, Is that a hot tube on the top of the cylinder? If so, why a hot tube and Webster magneto too? The bolt near the water outlet is also a mystery. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 12 18:08:53 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:08:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47609435.8080905@scrtc.com> I really like the Australs and the Lauson tank cooled on page 5, Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > >In a message dated 12/11/2007 6:48:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, >frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com writes: > >_http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html_ >(http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html) > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 12 18:19:41 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:19:41 EST Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: In a message dated 12/12/2007 9:58:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Did anyone note the extra bolts on the operator side at the hot tube and the water outlet? Not seen this before. Curt, After going back and looking at the photo, I believe the pipe on the top front of the engine is a filler pipe to fill the cylinder with water. On mine, at the top of the outlet pipe is a tee for filling the cylinder and going back to the cooling screen. In Patrick's photo, there is only a 90 degree elbow and no way to fill the cylinder. Could the extra bolt near the water outlet be a vent when filling the cylinder or when first starting the engine to get all the air out of the system? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Dec 12 18:25:14 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:25:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FE6D276D6A74938A7B15118740C5A85@KerryPC> G'Day Tom The bracket that holds the hand brake and tooth lock as seen complete in mine http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Photos/InterM6.JPG Kerry > > On the first page there are photos 21/22 of a 6M International on original > steel. Does anyone know what the half moon shaped piece of metal is > bolted to > the side of the chassis near the front axle? > > Thanks, > > > Tom Schmutz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Dec 12 23:11:44 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:11:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: <908BEBBD-6890-41F2-9946-744FE516EB2C@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20071213071133.TCEH23023.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Mike, There are a lot of IHC engines in Oz. They are probably the most common of the non-Australian made engines.IHC must have had very strong agents around Oz. The only IHC at the rally that was a recent import was the Mogul Jr. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young > Rally 10 > days ago. They can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html Great pictures Patrick! I'm curious, there seem to be a LOT of IHC engines there. Did IHC sell a lot of engines in Australia originally or have collectors imported them there recently? Mike From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Wed Dec 12 23:48:46 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:18:46 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Kaesler Reliance engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c83d5c$9a959900$fbc9ae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> Try here, http://www.communitywebs.org/~AHMRC/contacts.html There are some email contacts and snail address there. Club member Michael Sheehan is custodian of the Kaesler register -------- -----Original Message----- Can anyone date a 6 HP Kaesler Reliance engine manufactured in Hahndorf, South Australia its number is 74. Owner is in NZ and has asked for help Kerry Morris Lithgow Oz From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 13 00:04:53 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:04:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Kaesler Reliance engine In-Reply-To: <000001c83d5c$9a959900$fbc9ae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> References: <000001c83d5c$9a959900$fbc9ae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> Message-ID: Thank you Derek, I will pass on your information to him This is what the list is all about, helping one another Thanks again Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz > Try here, http://www.communitywebs.org/~AHMRC/contacts.html > There are some email contacts and snail address there. > > Club member Michael Sheehan is custodian of the Kaesler register -------- > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Thu Dec 13 00:58:18 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:28:18 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Kaesler Reliance engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c83d66$516485c0$fbc9ae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> And remember "POWER OF THE PAST", South Australia at the Mt Barker Oval, Dates for 2008 are 1 & 2 March., run by the Adelaide Hills Motor Restorers Club -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2007 6:35 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Kaesler Reliance engine Thank you Derek, I will pass on your information to him This is what the list is all about, helping one another Thanks again Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz > Try here, http://www.communitywebs.org/~AHMRC/contacts.html > There are some email contacts and snail address there. > > Club member Michael Sheehan is custodian of the Kaesler register > -------- > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Dec 13 01:32:09 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:32:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: <1FE6D276D6A74938A7B15118740C5A85@KerryPC> References: <1FE6D276D6A74938A7B15118740C5A85@KerryPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071213203136.01af8180@ncable.com.au> Hey Kerry is that a bit of dirt I see on your transport wheels!!! :-) Russell At 01:25 PM 13/12/2007, you wrote: >G'Day Tom > >The bracket that holds the hand brake and tooth lock as seen complete in >mine > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Photos/InterM6.JPG > >Kerry > > > > On the first page there are photos 21/22 of a 6M International on original > > steel. Does anyone know what the half moon shaped piece of metal is > > bolted to > > the side of the chassis near the front axle? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tom Schmutz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Dec 13 02:04:48 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:04:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally References: <1FE6D276D6A74938A7B15118740C5A85@KerryPC> <7.0.1.0.1.20071213203136.01af8180@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <00d101c83d6f$99e51310$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hey Russell he didn't even come to young. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Young Rally > Hey Kerry is that a bit of dirt I see on your transport wheels!!! :-) > Russell > > At 01:25 PM 13/12/2007, you wrote: >>G'Day Tom >> >>The bracket that holds the hand brake and tooth lock as seen complete in >>mine >> >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Photos/InterM6.JPG >> >>Kerry >> > >> > On the first page there are photos 21/22 of a 6M International on >> > original >> > steel. Does anyone know what the half moon shaped piece of metal is >> > bolted to >> > the side of the chassis near the front axle? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > >> > Tom Schmutz >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Thu Dec 13 02:59:16 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:59:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Campbell on Webshots In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071213093013.01a5b5a0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071213093013.01a5b5a0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Lovely Engine Russell,Hope you don't smere it in horrible modern paint!!> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:43:22 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Campbell on Webshots> > G'day all engine folk. A number of list men have been in touch with > me off list regarding the campbell hot tube engine. I went over to > the shed this morning and took a number of pictures of the governor > mechanism to better show how it works. There are also other pics the > the engine generally. These have now been put into my webshots albums: see> http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse> > The picture the other day showed a green old resto campbell. This > engine was bought the day before I got to Queensland to have a look > at this gear. It has a mechanical lubricator on it where mine does > not. My engine is not missing this, it just never had one fitted? The > engine for sale in the TOMM a while back now belongs to Mick > Christie. His engine has a drip oiler of all cast iron, not Brass and > glass? Not sure what Brad Pitts engine has. So there does seem to be > a number of differences between the campbells we know of. They are > quite a rare beast.> > regards Russell> Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Dec 13 05:32:50 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:32:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071213203136.01af8180@ncable.com.au> References: <1FE6D276D6A74938A7B15118740C5A85@KerryPC> <7.0.1.0.1.20071213203136.01af8180@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <47613482.2080507@imc-group.com> Russell, Truth is Kerry's lovely wife Ruth has a sly crafty sense of humor. When Kerry isn't looking, she mixes up a small bit of dirt and water and deposits the mud here and there on the cleanest transports. Then she'll put a few drops of used motor oil under a few of his engines, and a small oily drip on the best slicked painted ones. Oh it just drives Kerry nuts. He has to clean 'em all over again, because Kerry is only going to have spotless engines. Let not let on to Kerry about this, as we wouldn't want to disturb Ruth's fun. :-) Curt P.S. Hi Ruth. Russell Gilbert wrote: > Hey Kerry is that a bit of dirt I see on your transport wheels!!! :-) > Russell > > From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Thu Dec 13 05:44:49 2007 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:44:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally References: <20071213071133.TCEH23023.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003a01c83d8e$5ced11f0$c7ad57ca@n> G'day Patrick great pics as always patrick and eds mogul was'nt the only recent ihc import there, the restored 2.5 h.p Famous there was a recent import as well. cheers mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Young Rally > Hi Mike, > There are a lot of IHC engines in Oz. They are probably the most > common of the non-Australian made engines.IHC must have had very strong > agents around Oz. The only IHC at the rally that was a recent import was > the > Mogul Jr. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > -----Original Message----- > > > > On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> I finally have sorted out some of the pictures I took at the Young >> Rally 10 >> days ago. They can be seen at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y071.html > > Great pictures Patrick! I'm curious, there seem to be a LOT of IHC > engines there. Did IHC sell a lot of engines in Australia originally > or have collectors imported them there recently? > > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Dec 13 05:57:27 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:57:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47613A47.70403@imc-group.com> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/12/2007 9:58:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, > curt at imc-group.com writes: > > Did anyone note the extra bolts on the operator side at the hot tube and > the water outlet? Not seen this > before. > > Curt, > > After going back and looking at the photo, I believe the pipe on the top > front of the engine is a filler pipe to fill the cylinder with water. Tom, In the old engine world anything is possible! However, on my 8HP this pad is clearly for a hot tube. Mine has never been drilled or tapped for the hot tube mounting. Only the front and back tapped holes would be possible. There is no place on the side for bolts as shown in the Oz photo. You questioned the existence of both hot tube and Webster. If the engine was shipped initially with HT, it is reasonable to assume someone upgraded it to electric ignition later. Tommy T mentioned yesterday that there was reservation in the early days to electric ignition, and that IHC provided the hot tube ignition as an option to settle doubters. This has got me wondering. Has anyone seen a Famous/Titan style engine with a hot tube boss with NO ignitor provision boss on the cylinder casting? That would be neat! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > On mine, at > the top of the outlet pipe is a tee for filling the cylinder and going back > to the cooling screen. In Patrick's photo, there is only a 90 degree elbow and > no way to fill the cylinder. Could the extra bolt near the water outlet be a > vent when filling the cylinder or when first starting the engine to get all > the air out of the system? > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Dec 13 08:46:18 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:46:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker Message-ID: Lawn edger anyone?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 Whew!!! Rickinmt. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 09:09:29 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:09:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> On 13/12/2007, Richard Strobel wrote: > Lawn edger anyone?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 > > Whew!!! > Rickinmt. Not over-keen on the private listing, that would have me running in the opposite direction pretty quickly! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 13 10:05:38 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:05:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Not over-keen on the private listing, that would have me running in > the opposite direction pretty quickly! >>>>> I 've got a pair of those , one like that in the auction with a bunch of A belts and the other has a flexible shaft as big as my forearm like a monster sized speedo cable . Both tilt from horizontal to vertical . .It seems dangerous at first , but you'd have to be really wasted to get wrapped up in it . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From oldengine at comcast.net Thu Dec 13 10:16:08 2007 From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:16:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker References: Message-ID: <002801c83db4$3c4128d0$6801a8c0@OLDENGINE> We had a David Bradley just like that one. It was used (by me) on the farm to clear the hedge rows. Had it and used it for years - 1958 to 1996. Sold it for $25. (before eBay). Yes, I was careful and it did have a somewhat tiny guard for the saw blade and it would convert to a mower with a different blade and a full guard over the top. -- Harry ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 18 > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:46:18 -0700 > From: "Richard Strobel" > Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker > To: "sel" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Lawn edger anyone?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 > > Whew!!! > Rickinmt. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Dec 13 10:28:08 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:28:08 EST Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker Message-ID: Hi Chuck, I saw one sell at a farm auction a few years back. The seller had only one leg. The other had been removed by a saw like this. He told me he was cutting brush with the sawblade while on a slope and the machine snagged instead of cut the brush, rotated and cut off one of his legs. His grandson was with him and saved his life by tying off the stump with a belt. He made no mention of being wasted, just stupid. I think the message is to not use sawblades on brush. If he had had a Gravely, and been seated on a sulky behind it, the Gravely can't turn 180 degrees and he would have been safe. Of course, if he had had a Gravely, he would have been using the bush hog and been finished and home by lunch time. Ron In a message dated 12/13/2007 1:18:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: > Not over-keen on the private listing, that would have me running in > the opposite direction pretty quickly! >>>>> I 've got a pair of those , one like that in the auction with a bunch of A belts and the other has a flexible shaft as big as my forearm like a monster sized speedo cable . Both tilt from horizontal to vertical . .It seems dangerous at first , but you'd have to be really wasted to get wrapped up in it . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 13 11:54:51 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:54:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DAMN!!! That's the PERFECT butt buggy for Portland. No worries about the road being blocked by gangs of fat people. That puppy would just cut right through 'em. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Richard Strobel wrote: > Lawn edger anyone?? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 13 12:01:37 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:01:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, With the new eBay bidders list policy, whenever the bid gets over $50 or $75, you can't see who's bidding anyway. They would list "Forbes" as "F****s". I'm surprised that they still offer the Private Listing option. There's not much point in it. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 > > Not over-keen on the private listing, that would have me running in > the opposite direction pretty quickly! From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 13 12:14:49 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:14:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron: Speaking of Gravelys, I had a couple of 'em for several years a while back. Good, long lived tractors if used within their capabilities. I've always wondered how well the chainsaw attachment worked. Do you know. It'd seem to me that it would be good as a buck saw. Never wanted to use the circular saw attachment. I'da prolly killed myself with it! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:28 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > ......................snip..................... > I saw one sell at a farm auction a few years > back. The seller had only one > leg. The other had been removed by a saw like > this. He told me he was cutting > brush with the sawblade while on a slope and the > machine snagged instead of > cut the brush, rotated and cut off one of his > legs. His grandson was with him > and saved his life by tying off the stump with a > belt. He made no mention of > being wasted, just stupid. > I think the message is to not use sawblades on > brush. If he had had a > Gravely, and been seated on a sulky behind it, > the Gravely can't turn 180 degrees > and he would have been safe. Of course, if he > had had a Gravely, he would have > been using the bush hog and been finished and > home by lunch time. > > Ron From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 11:32:06 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:32:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712131132y1042ef40i952c8ad6cf89970d@mail.gmail.com> On 13/12/2007, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > With the new eBay bidders list policy, whenever the bid gets over $50 or > $75, you can't see who's bidding anyway. They would list "Forbes" as > "F****s". > > I'm surprised that they still offer the Private Listing option. There's > not much point in it. > > See ya, Arnie It starts at ?100 over here, but we realise that as the POOR relations you can't afford to bid too high... :-)) I agree that some of this stuff is pretty pointless, but Ebay are getting a LOT of flak on their own forums at present, especially over the new rules on postage charges etc that they are bringing in. One of the ebay staff did take time to respond to a private email from me though, which was interesting and gives a little bit of hope. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Dec 13 11:34:59 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:34:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker Message-ID: Hi Elden, I can't answer how well they work but, I do have one or two in my collection and the look to be as strong as most of the Gravely stuff. In short, heavy bar, large chain, and a manual oiler that sits on the handlebar for the operator to apply oil as needed. They can cut vertical or horizontal or, if making sharp stakes for traps, at an angle. :>) I think they would be faster than a buck saw but maybe not faster than a hand held chain saw as you would have to have your log raised off the dirt just a little and then move the tractor for each cut. If you could set up a roller table to let the log come endwise into cutting position an keep the Gravely in one place, it would be a fast machine. Ron In a message dated 12/13/2007 2:19:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: Ron: Speaking of Gravelys, I had a couple of 'em for several years a while back. Good, long lived tractors if used within their capabilities. I've always wondered how well the chainsaw attachment worked. Do you know. It'd seem to me that it would be good as a buck saw. Never wanted to use the circular saw attachment. I'da prolly killed myself with it! Take care - Elden **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From curt at imc-group.com Thu Dec 13 11:51:14 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:51:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> Arnie Fero wrote: > PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! > Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. Curt From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 13 13:22:15 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:22:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: > > PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! > > > Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 13 12:50:57 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:50:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600460@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker Hi Curt, That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: > > PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! > > > Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 13 12:53:00 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:53:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600470@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Arnie, Isn't it obvious... The long cylinderical section is a built in dust collector! ;-) Which explains the lack of any sawdust on the ground! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker Hi Curt, That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: > > PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! > > > Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. > ia2005%20436.jpg> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Dec 13 13:06:46 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:06:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> That's it Arnie, Ozzies have no balls! :-) Nomex on. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Curt, > > That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? > It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya > reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: > > >>> PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! >>> >>> >> Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Dec 13 13:21:52 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:21:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4170.165.206.180.115.1197580912.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> That's because they've all used these devices in the past....... > That's it Arnie, Ozzies have no balls! :-) > Nomex on. > Curt > > Arnie Fero wrote: >> Hi Curt, >> >> That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? >> It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya >> reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: >> >> >>>> PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! >>>> >>>> >>> Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Dec 13 13:24:30 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:24:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071214082329.019b4668@ncable.com.au> Thank God it's got a gaurd over them belts for safety!!! Russell At 03:46 AM 14/12/2007, you wrote: >Lawn edger anyone?? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 > >Whew!!! >Rickinmt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 13 14:32:20 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:32:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute artist. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > That's it Arnie, Ozzies have no balls! :-) > Nomex on. > Curt > > Arnie Fero wrote: >> Hi Curt, >> >> That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? >> It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya >> reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: >> >> >>>> PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! >>>> >>>> >>> Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 13 14:46:37 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:46:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Edd, What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep up pretty well with the down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new to me and isn't something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute artist. EDD PAYNE This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Dec 13 14:54:58 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:54:58 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <000a01c83ddb$2faa20f0$8efe62d0$@net.au> My father has a Mobilco version of one of these. They were known as swing saws. He used it for many years in the Red Gum forests around Echuca cutting fence posts for a living. His is shaft driven and powered by a 6 hp JAP. The blade was swung horizontal to fell the tree. The tree was cut into suitable lengths and then the individual logs were cut length ways into segments to form the posts. He never had a bad accident but I can remember as a boy seeing the blade throw a piece of loose timber back between the wheels and crack one of his shins.These were heavy machines and it was amusing to see him struggling on one leg trying to get the spark plug wire off while the blade is acting like a wheel and trying to take the whole thing away at 60 mph. It also has a clamp on bench to convert it into a firewood cutter and I've spent many hours on it as a young feller cutting firewood. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Friday, 14 December 2007 7:32 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute artist. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > That's it Arnie, Ozzies have no balls! :-) > Nomex on. > Curt > > Arnie Fero wrote: >> Hi Curt, >> >> That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? >> It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya >> reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: >> >> >>>> PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! >>>> >>>> >>> Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Thu Dec 13 15:04:07 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:04:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <009001c83ddc$76c8a6e0$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> I bet that's a wooden railroad tie. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker Edd, What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep up pretty well with the down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new to me and isn't something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute artist. EDD PAYNE This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 13 15:04:31 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:04:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> I think you blokes say railroad ties.!!!Its the bit of wood that goes between the rails to hold them apart or together depending how you look at it. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > Edd, > > What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep up pretty well with the > down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new to me and isn't > something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > > HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. > There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in > this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was > from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article > about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. > Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and > still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a > bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture > using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute > artist. > > EDD PAYNE > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 13 16:12:47 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:12:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George: I think they call railroad ties "sleepers" over there. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 04:47 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > > > Edd, > > What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep > up pretty well with the > down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new > to me and isn't > something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. > > George From rsrolfne at atnet.net Thu Dec 13 15:16:04 2007 From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:16:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <4761BD34.9000807@atnet.net> George and List - Check out http://www.ibhistory.com/dialect1.htm for translation. About half way down. Regards, Bob R Central WA USA Best, George wrote: > Edd, > > What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep up pretty well with the > down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new to me and isn't > something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > > HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. > There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in > this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was > from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article > about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. > Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and > still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a > bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture > using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute > artist. > > EDD PAYNE > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Thu Dec 13 16:06:08 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:06:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <002401c83de5$25953640$70bfa2c0$@net.au> There is a guy down the road from me that has a similar saw that has a Ford Prefect 4 cyl motor on it. It was made in Ipswich QLD. Apparently there were a few around the area. They were used primarily for cutting wood. It is a mean beast of a thing. Problem is, they don't want to part with it. And it is sitting in a paddock. Maybe someday?? Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Friday, 14 December 2007 8:32 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got it wrong. There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in regular use in this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there was an article about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use nothing else and still do.They regularly come up for sale at local auctions.I watched a bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing wood sculpture using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute artist. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > That's it Arnie, Ozzies have no balls! :-) > Nomex on. > Curt > > Arnie Fero wrote: >> Hi Curt, >> >> That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? >> It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya >> reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: >> >> >>>> PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! >>>> >>>> >>> Reminds me of these Deutcher loggers we saw in Oz. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 13 16:14:57 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:14:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker References: Message-ID: <009901c83de6$5f2bfd70$0dc20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > George: > I think they call railroad ties "sleepers" over there. > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep >> up pretty well with the >> down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new >> to me and isn't >> something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. >> George Its a railway Sleeper in England as well. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 13 16:25:15 2007 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:25:15 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4761CD6B.1070900@optusnet.com.au> > Arnie Fero wrote: >> PS - I'll bet they'd LOVE to see that running at a rally in Oz!! === They are to be seen operating in practically every rally in Australia. Jack Watson === From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Dec 13 16:59:52 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:59:52 EST Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: In a message dated 12/12/2007 9:38:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes: The bracket that holds the hand brake and tooth lock as seen complete in mine Kerry, Thanks, I should have known it was for the hand brake. Neither of mine have that feature on them. Fine looking engine you have there mate! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Dec 13 17:02:02 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:02:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker References: Message-ID: <00be01c83dec$f04e0400$2ed24c0c@D48VHZ61> I've got a David Bradley version. It runs but I'm not stupid enough to use it. I think I remember seeing one of these made by Mall as well. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker > Lawn edger anyone?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 > > Whew!!! > Rickinmt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 13 17:55:49 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:55:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Telephone test equipment Message-ID: <001e01c83df4$7366f160$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Guys Off Topic bit guys but there is a wealth if info here. Are there any EX Telco Techs out there that have a Aegis CZ1000 Cable Pair Identification Set or similar tester that they want to sell. There is a damaged one on Ebay below here. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Aegis-CZ1000-Cable-Pair-Identification-Set-Faulty_W0QQitemZ120197020068QQihZ002QQcategoryZ1504QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I want a tester that looks at the NULL between pairs and preferably an ex PMG / telecom / telstra tool. Those in the game will know, those that don't can go play engines ;-) Email me at the address plowe at exemail.com.au rather than fill the LIST with crap. If you don't know how to do this, please leave this request alone ;-)) Peter, Oz From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 18:22:38 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:22:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <00be01c83dec$f04e0400$2ed24c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <823935.4870.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And Ottawa. I have what's left of one. It is plenty to start with. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan John Hall wrote: I've got a David Bradley version. It runs but I'm not stupid enough to use it. I think I remember seeing one of these made by Mall as well. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker > Lawn edger anyone?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200182784353 > > Whew!!! > Rickinmt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From kimmell at verizon.net Thu Dec 13 20:11:29 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:11:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> At 12:05 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >It seems dangerous at first , but >you'd have to be >really wasted to get wrapped up in it . Never underestimate the power of stupidity... -Tony From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Dec 13 23:12:01 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:12:01 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <4761BD34.9000807@atnet.net> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <4761BD34.9000807@atnet.net> Message-ID: <030701c83e20$9fedb350$8335c53e@doc> That goes for British English too, mostly. We Brits don't use "barrack" a lot any more - barracks are somewhere that soldiers live. We are still fond of candy floss too. I have never heard of a Christmas beetle, rhough. Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Bob W7AVK > Sent: 13 December 2007 23:16 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > > George and List - Check out http://www.ibhistory.com/dialect1.htm for > translation. About half way down. > > Regards, > > Bob R > Central WA USA > > Best, George wrote: > > Edd, > > > > What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep up pretty > well with the > > down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new to me and isn't > > something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. > > > > George > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf > Of Edd Payne > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:32 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker > > > > HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got > it wrong. > > There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in > regular use in > > this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was > > from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there > was an article > > about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. > > Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use > nothing else and > > still do.They regularly come up for sale at local > auctions.I watched a > > bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing > wood sculpture > > using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute > > artist. > > > > EDD PAYNE > > > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the > use of the addressee and may contain information that is > privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is > not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. > If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and > any attachments from your system. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 13 23:28:22 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:28:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker-Christmas beetle References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><4761BD34.9000807@atnet.net> <030701c83e20$9fedb350$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <002701c83e22$e8c5dab0$0601a8c0@altech> Here is the Christmas Beetle http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Oceania/Australia/photo69627.htm Peter, Oz > That goes for British English too, mostly. We Brits don't use "barrack" a > lot any more - barracks are somewhere that soldiers live. We are still > fond of candy floss too. I have never heard of a Christmas beetle, > rhough. > > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> Bob W7AVK >> Sent: 13 December 2007 23:16 >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker >> >> George and List - Check out http://www.ibhistory.com/dialect1.htm for >> translation. About half way down. >> >> Regards, >> >> Bob R >> Central WA USA >> >> Best, George wrote: >> > Edd, >> > >> > What's a "railway sleeper"? I can usually keep up pretty >> well with the >> > down under jargon, but "railway sleeper" is new to me and isn't >> > something I would think you'd cut with a motorized saw. >> > >> > George >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf >> Of Edd Payne >> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:32 PM >> > To: The SEL email discussion list >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker >> > >> > HMMM.I been scratchin something to stop itching.Guess I got >> it wrong. >> > There are a lot of these saws here in OZ and are still in >> regular use in >> > this area.Hargans and Mobilco are two that come to mind.Hargans was >> > from a town north of here called Coolah.From memory there >> was an article >> > about him and his development of this saw in an old issue of TOMM. >> > Blokes around here that have cut railway sleepers use >> nothing else and >> > still do.They regularly come up for sale at local >> auctions.I watched a >> > bloke at a show at Gilgandra a town north of here doing >> wood sculpture >> > using one of these and it was amazing to watch .He was an absolute >> > artist. >> > >> > EDD PAYNE >> > >> > >> > This message and any attachments are intended only for the >> use of the addressee and may contain information that is >> privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is >> not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of >> the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. >> If you have received this communication in error, please >> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and >> any attachments from your system. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 14 05:59:45 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:59:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com><004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > At 12:05 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >>It seems dangerous at first , but >>you'd have to be >>really wasted to get wrapped up in it . > > > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity... > > -Tony That was sort of directed at Rick , and he aint stupid But....speaking of , did I mention the half hour battle with a pair of magnetic towing lights I had the good fortune to witness recently ? He was down to hacking and taping , trying to get the turn-sigs to stop blinking on the wrong sides . I even got a minor ass chewing for selling junk . Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life . 59 degrees and falling Chuck From kimmell at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 08:00:24 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:00:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Wow nothing surprises me anymore. I once sold an old car to a younger kid (I'm only 25, so I guess that makes him a REALLY young kid). He drove away and 20 minutes later he was back in my driveway bitching that the transmission was slipping and his engine was revving real bad. He was also demanding his money back. I took a ride with him down the road. When he got it up to 30-35 the engine WAS revving up real high. So I reached over and moved the gearshift from 1 up into D where it should be. Kid didn't have much to say on the ride back to my house... -Tony At 07:59 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote: >did I mention the half hour battle with a pair of >magnetic >towing lights I had the good fortune to witness recently ? He was down to >hacking >and taping , trying to get the turn-sigs to stop blinking on the wrong sides >. I even got a minor >ass chewing for selling junk . Drunk and stupid is no way to go through >life . > >59 degrees and falling >Chuck From kimmell at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 08:02:51 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:02:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker-Christmas beetle In-Reply-To: <002701c83e22$e8c5dab0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <4761BD34.9000807@atnet.net> <030701c83e20$9fedb350$8335c53e@doc> <002701c83e22$e8c5dab0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <0JT100CH3R5B4135@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Looks just about as ugly as our "June bugs". Probably just about as ANNOYING as a June bug, too! It is fun to hear one of them make it into the bug zapper though. Them suckers roast for a long time... -Tony At 01:28 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote: >Here is the Christmas Beetle >http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Oceania/Australia/photo69627.htm > >Peter, Oz From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 14 09:40:42 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:40:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Christmas beetle (OT) In-Reply-To: <002701c83e22$e8c5dab0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><4761BD34.9000807@atnet.net> <030701c83e20$9fedb350$8335c53e@doc> <002701c83e22$e8c5dab0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: And I'll bet it looks just as impressive as a June bug when it splatters on your faceshield when you're riding your bike at 60mph! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > Here is the Christmas Beetle > http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Oceania/Australia/photo69627.htm From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 14 09:09:46 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:09:46 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT The English way of using Ebay Message-ID: <003c01c83e74$21d9cef0$0dc20b52@intrepid> Passed on from the UK engine group. see http://tinyurl.com/29tser Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 14 09:13:40 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:13:40 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: OT The English way of using Ebay Message-ID: <004001c83e74$ad68e3c0$0dc20b52@intrepid> Sorry, I misread it. It is an American talking like he is English! PS read the Q & A as well. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "Oldengine.org" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: OT The English way of using Ebay > Passed on from the UK engine group. > see http://tinyurl.com/29tser > > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 14 10:39:02 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:39:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker / No balls ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 14/12/2007, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:22:15 -0500 (EST) >From: Arnie Fero >Subject: Re: [SEL] Widowmaker >Hi Curt, >That is SOOOOO wierd!! Why the long cylindrical section in the middle? >It doesn't seem to have any purpose. I also don't see any sawdust. Ya >reckon no one had the balls to fire it up and cut something? 8-)) >See ya, Arnie Arnie, You'd never say the Aussies had no balls if you'd played rugby against them :-). But of course you guys in the States only play that "sissy" game with all the padding . Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: 14/12/2007 11:29 AM From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 14 12:30:22 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:30:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker / No balls ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <43D606C7-428E-42B9-A516-9F754DCFE2DB@alltel.net> Hi Jerry, What is a "rugby?" Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Arnie, > You'd never say the Aussies had no balls if you'd played > rugby > against them :-). > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans From craigb2 at aol.com Fri Dec 14 12:26:10 2007 From: craigb2 at aol.com (Craig Buzzell) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:26:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Monarch Stationary engine Message-ID: Hello list; I have just acquired a 1 3/4 hp Monarch. Not sure of the model number yet. It has the older style Webster mag/ ignitor that sits quite aways out the side and is hit & miss . There is a brass fuel primer on the ignitor mount bracket and the oiler sits very near the end of the cylinder. I would guess it was made by Nelson Brothers. Any info as to history, build date and running characteristics would be appreciated. Thanks; Craig Buzzell Goleta CA From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 14 12:33:26 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:33:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker / No balls ?? References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <43D606C7-428E-42B9-A516-9F754DCFE2DB@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001c01c83e90$9462e120$0601a8c0@altech> Here Dave http://www.rugby.com.au/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_union http://www.rfu.com/index.htm Peter, Oz > Hi Jerry, What is a "rugby?" > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > >> >> Arnie, >> You'd never say the Aussies had no balls if you'd played >> rugby >> against them :-). >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 14 13:32:21 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:32:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker / No balls ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Jerry Evans wrote: > You'd never say the Aussies had no balls if you'd played rugby > against them :-). > But of course you guys in the States only play that "sissy" game > with all the padding . Not only do our "girls" play in pads, they require oxygen as well. Nothing says "athlete" quite as dramatically as a bloke who just ran 40 yards or so, having to leave the game and sit on the sidelines for a while sucking down pure oxygen. Contrast that with your average soccer player (footballer to yunz guys) who runs up and down the pitch for the entire game. Now having said that, I will take issue with the "sissy" bit. The pads DO permit far more near-lethal hits than what soccer or rugby players deal with. And as my final word, I'll give the field to the rugby players. Ya gotta admire those guys; they need to wear protective headgear to keep the opponent from chewing their ears off in the scrum! THAT'S a TOUGH game!! 8-))) See ya, Arnie From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 14 12:59:33 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:59:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker / No balls ?? References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001f01c83e94$3af84450$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > But of course you guys in the States only play that "sissy" game > with all the padding . Moto-X ? From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 13:10:19 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:10:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines and which engines do they have? I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? Bernard. I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of many other French engines in the U.S. Here's a link to my Epson photo album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 14 14:30:34 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:30:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, SWEEEEEETTTTTTTT!!!!!!! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Best, George wrote: > In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Dec 14 13:51:56 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:51:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> The governor is interesting. I gather it works by not allowing the intake valve to open? My Australian made Bartram governs in a similar way although the Ceres looks to be slightly more complicated and elegant. Both are unusual. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/bartamcarb3.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Saturday, 15 December 2007 8:10 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines and which engines do they have? I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? Bernard. I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of many other French engines in the U.S. Here's a link to my Epson photo album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Fri Dec 14 13:48:42 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:48:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000d01c83e9b$18352c10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Hi George, this is a nice addition to your collection!!! A few years back I was offered this French engine: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page108.html I still don't know if J.Renee is an engine maker or a jobber? Denis Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines and which engines do they have? From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 13:58:56 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:58:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> I thought you were going to tell us a frog hopped out. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. replace nomore with net to send mail jd.kirkes at verizon.nomore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines and which engines do they have? I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? Bernard. I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of many other French engines in the U.S. Here's a link to my Epson photo album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 George From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 14:01:01 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:01:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630B49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Patrick, You're right about it controlling the intake valve. The Bartram looks pretty interesting too. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:52 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! The governor is interesting. I gather it works by not allowing the intake valve to open? My Australian made Bartram governs in a similar way although the Ceres looks to be slightly more complicated and elegant. Both are unusual. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/bartamcarb3.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From paul at internalfire.com Fri Dec 14 13:59:30 2007 From: paul at internalfire.com (Paul Evans) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:59:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Pelapone Message-ID: <4762FCC2.70103@internalfire.com> Just over a year ago we used a donation from the SEL to buy a 1925 PELAPONE six cylinder petrol engine for the museum. She had a number of show stopping problems but over the last year these have been solved and we have now finally started work on her. The crank is back in the crankcase, camshaft is fitted and the rods are on. She is getting a coat of primer today on the bottom half and we hope to have all the barrels and pistons on by the end of the weekend. Only bits missing now are a Delco-Remy distributor cap and a coil. Anybody know of a stockist of 1920s Delco parts in the US? Link to the engine pictures at http://tinyurl.com/298ps5 We hope to have her fitted on a trailer for the 2008 season and will display her with a plaque explaining how the SEL purchased her for preservation. Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Dec 14 14:17:37 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:17:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <200712142217.lBEMHhcK068603@mail-gw.fsr.net> Congratulations, George! That's a good one! Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:10 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines and which engines do they have? I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? Bernard. I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of many other French engines in the U.S. Here's a link to my Epson photo album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 George From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Dec 14 14:18:40 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:18:40 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> George good to see your engines restored they look great must have taken a while but they look fantastic. brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM KIRKES" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! > I thought you were going to tell us a frog hopped out. > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > replace nomore with net to send mail > jd.kirkes at verizon.nomore > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:10 PM > Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! > > > Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! > > In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. > This is a vertical French engine with an interesting > hit&miss governor. > > This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my > collection. > > Just wondering how many other members of this list have > French engines > and which engines do they have? > > I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and > a 5hp? > Bernard. > > I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't > really know of > many other French engines in the U.S. > > Here's a link to my Epson photo album: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 > > George > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 14 15:13:08 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:13:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Was: Latest engine Now: Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: G'day Patrick, This is what I LOVE about this hobby. Just when you think "you've seen it all" in terms of how folks will accomplish the basics of designing an engine's mechanics, up pop a bunch of "You ain't seen nothin' yet" examples!! It might be fun if folks who have engines with really wierd mechanical features would post descriptions and links to pics. One good example along those lines is that chain link fuel delivery system on Tommy Turner's Hagen engines. VERY wierd!! ISTR that engine actually had a number of very wierd features. I wonder if we could arrive at a consensus as to which engine had the greatest number of really wierd mechanical features? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > The governor is interesting. I gather it works by not allowing the intake > valve to open? My Australian made Bartram governs in a similar way although > the Ceres looks to be slightly more complicated and elegant. Both are > unusual. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/bartamcarb3.JPG > > -----Original Message----- > > In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. > This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 14 14:20:41 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:20:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "With the new eBay bidders list policy, whenever the bid gets over $50 or$75, you can't see who's bidding anyway. They would list "Forbes" as"F****s". I'm surprised that they still offer the Private Listing option. There'snot much point in it." Hell, there's not much point in eBay anymore. I refuse to play in a sandbox that so openly encourages shill bidding. Sure, it makes more bucks for eBay - maybe - short term..Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ i?m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Fri Dec 14 14:30:21 2007 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:30:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000901c83ea0$ea34afb0$1402a8c0@Waynexp> Greetings George, Congratulations on getting your toy home finally. Did there happen to be any flathead Ford parts in the crate? Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:10 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines and which engines do they have? I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? Bernard. I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of many other French engines in the U.S. Here's a link to my Epson photo album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 14:39:38 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:39:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: References: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Arnie, That is what I love about going to Europe to visit collectors and going to shows over there. I think the Europeans came up with some really interesting governor systems and other mechanical oddities. I have a video DVD I've been working on since the tour that Harry Terpstra and I led the end of May and first part of June. The video really shows a lot of interesting governors in action. George -----Original Message----- This is what I LOVE about this hobby. Just when you think "you've seen it all" in terms of how folks will accomplish the basics of designing an engine's mechanics, up pop a bunch of "You ain't seen nothin' yet" examples!! It might be fun if folks who have engines with really wierd mechanical features would post descriptions and links to pics. One good example along those lines is that chain link fuel delivery system on Tommy Turner's Hagen engines. VERY wierd!! ISTR that engine actually had a number of very wierd features. I wonder if we could arrive at a consensus as to which engine had the greatest number of really wierd mechanical features? See ya, Arnie This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 14:44:52 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:44:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C81@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Whoa!!!! If you're talking about the Ceres pictures on my Epson album, those are pictures of two different engines. The red unrestored engine is mine. The nicely restored gray one is owned by the Juffer's family in Holland. I'm planning on leaving the red paint on my engine as it is original. It is also makes the engine a bit different in that most of those engines were gray. The assumption was my engine was sold with some piece of machinery that was red and so the engine ordered with red paint by the machinery company. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of brent Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:19 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! George good to see your engines restored they look great must have taken a while but they look fantastic. brentnz This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 14:49:56 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:49:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <000901c83ea0$ea34afb0$1402a8c0@Waynexp> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <000901c83ea0$ea34afb0$1402a8c0@Waynexp> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Wayne, Yes, there was! Unfortunately the flathead V8 is missing 6 cylinders and there are so many cutout pieces from the remaining part of the engine that it will never run again! ;-) But then I guess if you buy a cut-away display engine that's what you get :-) Les is supposed to come up and get his goodies from the shipment and will pick up Buzz's cut-away V8 as well. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:30 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! Greetings George, Congratulations on getting your toy home finally. Did there happen to be any flathead Ford parts in the crate? Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 14 15:53:20 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:53:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, Yeah, I heard about that trip!! And speaking of "governors in action", will that trip DVD include that governess that you and Harry ran into in Amsterdam? 8->>> See ya, Arnie On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Best, George wrote: > I have a video DVD I've been working on since the tour that Harry > Terpstra and I led the end of May and first part of June. The video > really shows a lot of interesting governors in action. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Dec 14 15:02:34 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:02:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <010601c83ea5$6d99a190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thanks for the pics George. A nice engine. Enjoy it. I like that govenor setup. I have saved the pic for future reference. I will use that on a model one of these days! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! > Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! > > In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. > This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. > > This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. > > Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines > and which engines do they have? > > I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? > Bernard. > > I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of > many other French engines in the U.S. > > Here's a link to my Epson photo album: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 15:12:01 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:12:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! In-Reply-To: <010601c83ea5$6d99a190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010601c83ea5$6d99a190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630D31@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Reg, You can only see part of the governor setup in those pictures. I'll load more pictures later, but can also send you better photos and a .mpg video of it working. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 3:03 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! Thanks for the pics George. A nice engine. Enjoy it. I like that govenor setup. I have saved the pic for future reference. I will use that on a model one of these days! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Latest engine has arrived! > Yesterday the crate I had shipped from Holland arrived! > > In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. > This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. > > This makes the 3rd French engine that I have in my collection. > > Just wondering how many other members of this list have French engines > and which engines do they have? > > I have the above mentioned 5hp Ceres, a 3hp Thierry DUX, and a 5hp? > Bernard. > > I know of a French Japy engine in California, but don't really know of > many other French engines in the U.S. > > Here's a link to my Epson photo album: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 14 15:15:54 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:15:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: References: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630D44@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Although the tour did include a visit to the red light district, we just window shopped ;-) They also frown on picture taking of any of the ladies in the district. Didn't need to have my camera tossed into a canal ;-) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 3:53 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics Hi George, Yeah, I heard about that trip!! And speaking of "governors in action", will that trip DVD include that governess that you and Harry ran into in Amsterdam? 8->>> See ya, Arnie On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Best, George wrote: > I have a video DVD I've been working on since the tour that Harry > Terpstra and I led the end of May and first part of June. The video > really shows a lot of interesting governors in action. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Dec 14 15:37:26 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:37:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Was: Latest engine Now: Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071214233710.NFZW3023.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Arnie, There are some weird designs out there. I have a number of odd engines but my Bartram is one that is interesting. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/bartrtamt1.JPG It governs by NOT opening the intake valve when missing by pulling part of the tappet out from under the valve. It is a vertical engine with a drip oiler for the cylinder, oil reservoirs for the mains and splash lubrication for the big end. The magneto is a flick Dixie and it is operated off the same eccentric than drives the water pump. The flywheels are very heavy and are held onto to the tapered crankshaft by big locknuts on the end of the crank. With the heavy flywheels it runs like a clock and very slow. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- G'day Patrick, This is what I LOVE about this hobby. Just when you think "you've seen it all" in terms of how folks will accomplish the basics of designing an engine's mechanics, up pop a bunch of "You ain't seen nothin' yet" examples!! It might be fun if folks who have engines with really wierd mechanical features would post descriptions and links to pics. One good example along those lines is that chain link fuel delivery system on Tommy Turner's Hagen engines. VERY wierd!! ISTR that engine actually had a number of very wierd features. I wonder if we could arrive at a consensus as to which engine had the greatest number of really wierd mechanical features? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > The governor is interesting. I gather it works by not allowing the intake > valve to open? My Australian made Bartram governs in a similar way although > the Ceres looks to be slightly more complicated and elegant. Both are > unusual. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/bartamcarb3.JPG > > -----Original Message----- > > In it was my 1910 5hp Ceres engine. > This is a vertical French engine with an interesting hit&miss governor. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32348325&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 14 17:16:27 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:16:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630D44@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630D44@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Gotcha. Nudge-nudge. Wink-wink. Like our former prexy who smoked dope but didn't inhale. 8-))) On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Best, George wrote: > Although the tour did include a visit to the red light district, we just > window shopped ;-) From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 14 16:41:48 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:41:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Widowmaker / No balls ?? In-Reply-To: <001c01c83e90$9462e120$0601a8c0@altech> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071214203108.00bab220@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <43D606C7-428E-42B9-A516-9F754DCFE2DB@alltel.net> <001c01c83e90$9462e120$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <8F1498B3-AF38-4150-9C9A-86C5919A838F@alltel.net> Hi Peter, Why would someone want to do (or watch) something like that? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 14, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Here Dave > > http://www.rugby.com.au/ > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_union > > http://www.rfu.com/index.htm > > Peter, Oz > > > > >> Hi Jerry, What is a "rugby?" >> Dave >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Arnie, >>> You'd never say the Aussies had no balls if you'd played >>> rugby >>> against them :-). >>> Keep the revs up (or down) >>> Jerry Evans >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 14 17:22:12 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:22:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SEL Pelapone References: <4762FCC2.70103@internalfire.com> Message-ID: <000f01c83eb8$eb8adcf0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Paul You are quite sure this engine is a "she", is that because of all the problems it has given you :-))) Down Helen, only kidding. Looking forward to the completion photos and smoke on the horizon. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Just over a year ago we used a donation from the SEL to buy a 1925 > PELAPONE six cylinder petrol engine for the museum. > > She had a number of show stopping problems but over the last year these > have been solved and we have now finally started work on her. > > The crank is back in the crankcase, camshaft is fitted and the rods are > on. She is getting a coat of primer today on the bottom half and we hope > to have all the barrels and pistons on by the end of the weekend. > > Only bits missing now are a Delco-Remy distributor cap and a coil. > Anybody know of a stockist of 1920s Delco parts in the US? > > Link to the engine pictures at http://tinyurl.com/298ps5 > > We hope to have her fitted on a trailer for the 2008 season and will > display her with a plaque explaining how the SEL purchased her for > preservation. > > Paul > > -- > > Internal Fire Museum of Power > > Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS > > http://www.internalfire.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at btes.tv Fri Dec 14 17:57:32 2007 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:57:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20071214215141.MWPE898.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905630C62@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: > This is what I LOVE about this hobby. Just when you think "you've seen > it all" in terms of how folks will accomplish the basics of designing > an > engine's mechanics, up pop a bunch of "You ain't seen nothin' yet" > examples!! I thought you were speaking of mechanics, as in people who work on engines. I've seen a bunch of "You ain't seen nothin' yet" examples of those, too! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Dec 14 14:40:52 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:40:52 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> How young was this kid sounds like he was just off his ride on obviouly had never been told there are manual gearboxs. I hope you told him where the brakes were as well..its a bit of a worry.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses > Wow nothing surprises me anymore. I once sold an old car to a > younger kid (I'm only 25, so I guess that makes him a REALLY young > kid). He drove away and 20 minutes later he was back in my driveway > bitching that the transmission was slipping and his engine was > revving real bad. He was also demanding his money back. I took a > ride with him down the road. When he got it up to 30-35 the engine > WAS revving up real high. So I reached over and moved the gearshift > from 1 up into D where it should be. > > Kid didn't have much to say on the ride back to my house... > > -Tony > > > At 07:59 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote: > >did I mention the half hour battle with a pair of > >magnetic > >towing lights I had the good fortune to witness recently ? He was down to > >hacking > >and taping , trying to get the turn-sigs to stop blinking on the wrong sides > >. I even got a minor > >ass chewing for selling junk . Drunk and stupid is no way to go through > >life . > > > >59 degrees and falling > >Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM > > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 14 19:24:37 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:24:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Pelapone In-Reply-To: <000f01c83eb8$eb8adcf0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <4762FCC2.70103@internalfire.com> <000f01c83eb8$eb8adcf0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <22B46067-A431-4BC2-A842-F31B4B055F33@alltel.net> Hi Peter, The DAMN things are ALL female! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 14, 2007, at 8:22 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Paul > You are quite sure this engine is a "she", is that because of all the > problems it has given you :-))) > Down Helen, only kidding. > Looking forward to the completion photos and smoke on the horizon. > > Regards > Peter Lowe From cwja at telus.net Fri Dec 14 21:09:18 2007 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:09:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Monarch Stationary engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4763617E.7020601@telus.net> I would really like to see a picture of your governor linkage of this engine if you can put it in an email or on some web page. Thanks, Jeff Craig Buzzell wrote: >Hello list; I have just acquired a 1 3/4 hp Monarch. Not sure of the >model number yet. It has the older style Webster mag/ ignitor that >sits quite aways out the side and is hit & miss . There is a brass >fuel primer on the ignitor mount bracket and the oiler sits very near >the end of the cylinder. I would guess it was made by Nelson Brothers. >Any info as to history, build date and running characteristics would >be appreciated. >Thanks; >Craig Buzzell >Goleta CA > > Jeff & Marja Allen at Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 14 23:03:42 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:03:42 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft In-Reply-To: References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: I don't remember how far the discussion went on the flywheel keys on Ron's Blackstone, so please forgive me if I'm being redundant. Today I was looking up something else in Machinery's Handbook and came across a section on the keys that Ron was discussing a couple months ago. It states that for shafts six inches diameter and above, double keys should be used. If the torque is intermittent or the power transmitted in both directions, then double keys should be used on shafts as small as four inches. The taper on these keys is he same as a single key, but it's tapered on the two sides that contact the hub. Also of interest are tangential keys, where two keys are stacked side- by-side. It's hard to describe, but you can see pictures if you look in the index under "keys." Rob From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sat Dec 15 00:05:56 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:05:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000c01c83ef1$53ba2e10$a6a5ecdc@Edd> Rob.This is the first time I have seen Tangential keys mentioned.I worked at the local flour mill for about 30 years and all the roller mills used and still do use these type of keys. once you are used to setting them properly they are real easy to remove and re assemble.You just hit the top key in and they loosen up and pull out by hand.Thetas the theory anyhow they can be real stubborn if assembled the wrong way around. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft >I don't remember how far the discussion went on the flywheel keys on > Ron's Blackstone, so please forgive me if I'm being redundant. > > Today I was looking up something else in Machinery's Handbook and came > across a section on the keys that Ron was discussing a couple months > ago. > > It states that for shafts six inches diameter and above, double keys > should be used. If the torque is intermittent or the power > transmitted in both directions, then double keys should be used on > shafts as small as four inches. The taper on these keys is he same as > a single key, but it's tapered on the two sides that contact the hub. > > Also of interest are tangential keys, where two keys are stacked side- > by-side. It's hard to describe, but you can see pictures if you look > in the index under "keys." > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Dec 15 03:06:43 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:06:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Monarch Stationary engine Message-ID: <121520071106.20028.4763B5430007628700004E3C219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Craig, If you could send me pic of your engine I am guessing it was actually made by Nelson Bros. I have a Little Jumbo 1 1/2hp model P that I bet is the same. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Craig Buzzell To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Monarch Stationary engine Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:39:34 +0000 > Hello list; I have just acquired a 1 3/4 hp Monarch. Not sure of the > model number yet. It has the older style Webster mag/ ignitor that > sits quite aways out the side and is hit & miss . There is a brass > fuel primer on the ignitor mount bracket and the oiler sits very near > the end of the cylinder. I would guess it was made by Nelson Brothers. > Any info as to history, build date and running characteristics would > be appreciated. > Thanks; > Craig Buzzell > Goleta CA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Dec 15 07:15:40 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:15:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wierd Mechanics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie: I'm still working on an engine, although not too rare, can be called wierd. It's an Edwards horizontal hopper cooled 2 cylinder. Wierdnesses: - The flywheel is between the crank throws. - Both valves (for each cylinder) operate via one rocker arm. The arm moves from "neutral" to open the exhaust, then swings through "neutral" to open the intake valve. With such a system, there can never be any overlap. (I know that this system was used on pre-1910 Stoddard-Dayton cars and was soon abandoned). - Oilers (one per cylinder) oil the piston, wrist pin AND the big end bearing via a copper tube which ran between the little end and the big end bearing. - All but the very first engines use a gravity fed float chamber with separate lines going to a mixer for each cylinder. (Earliest engines used a suction system with check valve which was standard practice in that day.). This is a really complicated way to do a simple job. - There is no way to choke the engine to start it. With the rocker arm cover on, there is a space between the inlet end of the mixer bores and the holes in the cover (for priming). You can't just put a finger over the hole to suck up some gas. You hve to "Prime" it by squirting a little gasoline into the inlet ports. - The engine can be run on one cylinder or both depending on, according to the maker, how much power you need. This is accomplished by simply turning the fuel off to one cylinder and letting it be cranked by the other. Not very efficient. - Starting is accomplished by wrapping a leather strap around the pulley and hauling on it. The way the strap winds onto the pulley assured that you stand a really good chance of getting slapped in the face by the strap when it unwinds. - At the top of the stroke, the pistons stick out enough to expose half the width of the 1/4" rings. At least you don't have to worry about a top ridge! - There is a separate exhaust pipe and muffler for each cylinder and a complicated bit of casting in the head for the leads to the pipes. Why? - On the ignitor version of the Edwards engine, piston strike ignitors are used. I believe this method of tripping ignitors was abandoned long before the Edwards arrived on the scene. I'm sure that right after I post this, I'll think of one or more additional wierdnesses. Go to my webpage and click on the picture of the Edwards engine for the restoration narrative and photos. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 05:13 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Was: Latest engine Now: Wierd Mechanics From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 15 10:07:03 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:07:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft In-Reply-To: <000c01c83ef1$53ba2e10$a6a5ecdc@Edd> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <000c01c83ef1$53ba2e10$a6a5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <21EA8581-A864-4353-BDE5-1BB5D8287691@rustyiron.com> On Dec 15, 2007, at 12:05 AM, Edd Payne wrote: > Rob.This is the first time I have seen Tangential keys mentioned.I > worked at > the local flour mill for about 30 years and all the roller mills > used and > still do use these type of keys. once you are used to setting them > properly > they are real easy to remove and re assemble.You just hit the top > key in and > they loosen up and pull out by hand.Thetas the theory anyhow they > can be > real stubborn if assembled the wrong way around. Hi Edd, I don't think the book mentioned that there was a pattern, but looking at the picture, it's as you describe. We have a 6-20 roller mill, but I've not paid much attention to how the shafts are keyed. http://engines.rustyiron.com/stable/greatwesternrollermill.html Rob From kimmell at verizon.net Sat Dec 15 11:17:28 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:17:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <0JT300JC7UTMTHP5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> He was probably 17-18. Obviously he knew nothing about cars. Needless to say he DIDN'T get his money back. I told him even if the trannsmission WAS slipping he wouldn't have got his money back since I put a "tail light" warranty on all the cars I sell. When I can no longer see the tail lights, then the warranty has expired. -Tony At 04:40 PM 12/14/2007, you wrote: >How young was this kid sounds like he was just off his ride on obviouly had >never been told there are manual gearboxs. I hope you told him where the >brakes were as well..its a bit of a worry.. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony & Jackie" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:00 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses > > > > Wow nothing surprises me anymore. I once sold an old car to a > > younger kid (I'm only 25, so I guess that makes him a REALLY young > > kid). He drove away and 20 minutes later he was back in my driveway > > bitching that the transmission was slipping and his engine was > > revving real bad. He was also demanding his money back. I took a > > ride with him down the road. When he got it up to 30-35 the engine > > WAS revving up real high. So I reached over and moved the gearshift > > from 1 up into D where it should be. > > > > Kid didn't have much to say on the ride back to my house... > > > > -Tony > > > > > > At 07:59 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote: > > >did I mention the half hour battle with a pair of > > >magnetic > > >towing lights I had the good fortune to witness recently ? He was down >to > > >hacking > > >and taping , trying to get the turn-sigs to stop blinking on the wrong >sides > > >. I even got a minor > > >ass chewing for selling junk . Drunk and stupid is no way to go through > > >life . > > > > > >59 degrees and falling > > >Chuck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: >12/13/2007 9:15 AM > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sat Dec 15 13:00:35 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:00:35 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <000c01c83ef1$53ba2e10$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <21EA8581-A864-4353-BDE5-1BB5D8287691@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <002501c83f5d$8b78fe50$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Rob enjoyed looking at the engines on your site great pictures and good information didnt know alot about the roller mills but was covered well on your site the practical demo was awesome i was thinking you could make picklets or flapjacks with the flour or sell some organic flour as a fund raiser to buy other engines or cover costs.Members could submit recipes.brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 12:05 AM, Edd Payne wrote: > > > Rob.This is the first time I have seen Tangential keys mentioned.I > > worked at > > the local flour mill for about 30 years and all the roller mills > > used and > > still do use these type of keys. once you are used to setting them > > properly > > they are real easy to remove and re assemble.You just hit the top > > key in and > > they loosen up and pull out by hand.Thetas the theory anyhow they > > can be > > real stubborn if assembled the wrong way around. > > Hi Edd, > I don't think the book mentioned that there was a pattern, but looking > at the picture, it's as you describe. We have a 6-20 roller mill, but > I've not paid much attention to how the shafts are keyed. > http://engines.rustyiron.com/stable/greatwesternrollermill.html > > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1185 - Release Date: 12/15/2007 12:00 PM > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Dec 15 19:07:48 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:07:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <0JT300JC7UTMTHP5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <0JT300JC7UTMTHP5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20071216000752.2FB0322998D@md5.pennswoods.net> Tony never heard of that warranty before that is a good one. I like it 8-) R Fink PA At 01:17 PM 12/15/2007 -0600, you wrote: >He was probably 17-18. Obviously he knew nothing about >cars. Needless to say he DIDN'T get his money back. I told him even >if the trannsmission WAS slipping he wouldn't have got his money back >since I put a "tail light" warranty on all the cars I sell. When I >can no longer see the tail lights, then the warranty has expired. > >-Tony > > >At 04:40 PM 12/14/2007, you wrote: > >How young was this kid sounds like he was just off his ride on obviouly had > >never been told there are manual gearboxs. I hope you told him where the > >brakes were as well..its a bit of a worry.. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tony & Jackie" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:00 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses > > > > > > > Wow nothing surprises me anymore. I once sold an old car to a > > > younger kid (I'm only 25, so I guess that makes him a REALLY young > > > kid). He drove away and 20 minutes later he was back in my driveway > > > bitching that the transmission was slipping and his engine was > > > revving real bad. He was also demanding his money back. I took a > > > ride with him down the road. When he got it up to 30-35 the engine > > > WAS revving up real high. So I reached over and moved the gearshift > > > from 1 up into D where it should be. > > > > > > Kid didn't have much to say on the ride back to my house... > > > > > > -Tony > > > > > > > > > At 07:59 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote: > > > >did I mention the half hour battle with a pair of > > > >magnetic > > > >towing lights I had the good fortune to witness recently ? He was down > >to > > > >hacking > > > >and taping , trying to get the turn-sigs to stop blinking on the wrong > >sides > > > >. I even got a minor > > > >ass chewing for selling junk . Drunk and stupid is no way to go through > > > >life . > > > > > > > >59 degrees and falling > > > >Chuck > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: > >12/13/2007 9:15 AM > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: >12/14/2007 11:29 AM From craigb2 at aol.com Sat Dec 15 16:08:18 2007 From: craigb2 at aol.com (Craig Buzzell) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:08:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Webster type 1A Message-ID: <46ED67CD-4EB5-45F9-8A6D-AE05C01B2D3B@aol.com> Hello List; I am looking for info on the Type 1A Webster. I have one on my newly acquired Monarch Model N. It seems to be hot as I got a good pop on ether as the fuel is not hooked up yet. The cam & exhaust valve trip rod does not go all the way back by itself so as I pull it over the mag trip mechanism does not engage. Am I missing a return spring or is it an adjustment issue? My Economy's and Stover have a return spring on the shaft but this shaft is rectangular and does not seem compatible with a round coil spring. Thanks for your help; Craig Buzzell Goleta CA From falcon at telenet.net Sat Dec 15 17:58:20 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:58:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <20071216000752.2FB0322998D@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <0JT300JC7UTMTHP5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> <20071216000752.2FB0322998D@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <4764863C.1080702@telenet.net> How about the line lot warranty? Once you cross the line at the end of the lot it's your problem. -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept Richard Fink Sr wrote: > Tony never heard of that warranty before that is a good one. I like it 8-) > R Fink > PA > > > > At 01:17 PM 12/15/2007 -0600, you wrote: >> He was probably 17-18. Obviously he knew nothing about >> cars. Needless to say he DIDN'T get his money back. I told him even >> if the trannsmission WAS slipping he wouldn't have got his money back >> since I put a "tail light" warranty on all the cars I sell. When I >> can no longer see the tail lights, then the warranty has expired. >> >> -Tony >> From jbcast at charter.net Sat Dec 15 18:17:46 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:17:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins' home Message-ID: <20071215211746.8E3EY.262283.root@fepweb10> Had a little help from my friends, picked up the Desjardin today. The bore appears to be around seven inches, about an inch bigger than a dollar bill, weighs about 2200lbs. I oiled everything up, it turns well and would probably have compression looking at the cylinder, I'll have have to make some valves, they were missing. The parts to the flyball governor were there, have been broken off, will need some mending, it does turn and plunges freely. It had been converted to sparkplug long ago, will have to find an ignitor. I stopped at the Titan, owner wasn't home, got some pictures. Will get more when I return to pick it up J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-003S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-004S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-005S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-009S.jpg Titan http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-017S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-018S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-019S.jpg From jbcast at charter.net Sat Dec 15 18:21:37 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:21:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Link to Joe Kelly's Message-ID: <20071215212137.YNXG8.262369.root@fepweb10> I inadvertantly deleted the link to Joe Kelly's Desjardins, would like to see them again if someone would provide the link. Thanks, J.B. From glenn.karch at att.net Sat Dec 15 18:27:44 2007 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:27:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Webster type 1A Message-ID: <650504.41869.qm@web83722.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Craig, The later Hercules and Economy literature has info on the Webster 1A setup. It was not one of the best systems and was frequently replaced with other ignition systems alternatives. Glenn ----- Original Message ---- From: Craig Buzzell To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:08:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Webster type 1A Hello List; I am looking for info on the Type 1A Webster. I have one on my newly acquired Monarch Model N. It seems to be hot as I got a good pop on ether as the fuel is not hooked up yet. The cam & exhaust valve trip rod does not go all the way back by itself so as I pull it over the mag trip mechanism does not engage. Am I missing a return spring or is it an adjustment issue? My Economy's and Stover have a return spring on the shaft but this shaft is rectangular and does not seem compatible with a round coil spring. Thanks for your help; Craig Buzzell Goleta CA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 15 18:42:55 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:42:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins' home In-Reply-To: <20071215211746.8E3EY.262283.root@fepweb10> References: <20071215211746.8E3EY.262283.root@fepweb10> Message-ID: <476490AF.4080601@scrtc.com> JB, I don't remember what size you said the Titan was. 12 HP? Both look like nice toys to play with this winter. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY jbcast at charter.net wrote: >Had a little help from my friends, picked up the Desjardin today. The bore appears to be around seven inches, about an inch bigger than a dollar bill, weighs about 2200lbs. I oiled everything up, it turns well and would probably have compression looking at the cylinder, I'll have have to make some valves, they were missing. The parts to the flyball governor were there, have been broken off, will need some mending, it does turn and plunges freely. It had been converted to sparkplug long ago, will have to find an ignitor. I stopped at the Titan, owner wasn't home, got some pictures. Will get more when I return to pick it up >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA > >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-003S.jpg >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-004S.jpg >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-005S.jpg >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-009S.jpg >Titan >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-017S.jpg >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-018S.jpg >http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-019S.jpg >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From jbcast at charter.net Sat Dec 15 18:51:40 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:51:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins' home In-Reply-To: <476490AF.4080601@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20071215215140.ZR739.263107.root@fepweb10> ---- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > JB, > I don't remember what size you said the Titan was. 12 HP? Both > look like nice toys to play with this winter. > Tommy, it's an 8hp, serial # in the 800's. I looked around, didn't see the fuel pomp. The water pump is there and the remainder of the cooling screen. J.B. From jbcast at charter.net Sat Dec 15 18:53:21 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:53:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins' home Message-ID: <20071215215321.4QM8D.263150.root@fepweb10> ---- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > JB, > I don't remember what size you said the Titan was. 12 HP? Both > look like nice toys to play with this winter. > Tommy, it's an 8hp, serial # in the 800's. I looked around, didn't see the fuel pomp. The water pump is there and the remainder of the cooling screen. J.B. From craigb2 at aol.com Sat Dec 15 18:56:46 2007 From: craigb2 at aol.com (Craig Buzzell) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:56:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Webster type 1A In-Reply-To: <650504.41869.qm@web83722.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <650504.41869.qm@web83722.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Glenn; Thanks for the info. Craig On Dec 15, 2007, at 6:27 PM, Glenn Karch wrote: > Craig, > > The later Hercules and Economy literature has info on the Webster 1A > setup. It was not one of the best systems and was frequently > replaced with other ignition systems alternatives. > > Glenn > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Craig Buzzell > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:08:18 PM > Subject: [SEL] Webster type 1A > > Hello List; I am looking for info on the Type 1A Webster. I have one > on my newly acquired Monarch Model N. It seems to be hot as I got a > good pop on ether as the fuel is not hooked up yet. The cam & exhaust > valve trip rod does not go all the way back by itself so as I pull it > over the mag trip mechanism does not engage. Am I missing a return > spring or is it an adjustment issue? > My Economy's and Stover have a return spring on the shaft but this > shaft is rectangular and does not seem compatible with a round coil > spring. > Thanks for your help; > Craig Buzzell > Goleta CA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 15 19:07:49 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:07:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ron H. - Double Keyed Shaft In-Reply-To: <002501c83f5d$8b78fe50$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com> <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <000c01c83ef1$53ba2e10$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <21EA8581-A864-4353-BDE5-1BB5D8287691@rustyiron.com> <002501c83f5d$8b78fe50$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: Hi Brent, Our club grinds corn and sells it to make a few bucks. When Kelley and I mill wheat, we keep enough of the proceeds to cover the cost of the grain, then the rest goes to the club. If you want a couple bonzer corn recipes, check these out: http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/cookies.html I personally guarantee the top-notch quality of the cookies and corn bread. That biscuit recipe is pretty good, but it's mainly a novelty for novice chefs. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:00 PM, brent wrote: > Rob enjoyed looking at the engines on your site great pictures and > good > information didnt know alot about the roller mills but was covered > well on > your site the practical demo was awesome i was thinking you could make > picklets or flapjacks with the flour or sell some organic flour as a > fund > raiser to buy other engines or cover costs.Members could submit > recipes.brentnz From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Sat Dec 15 19:32:02 2007 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:32:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <4764863C.1080702@telenet.net> References: <20071216000752.2FB0322998D@md5.pennswoods.net> <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <0JT300JC7UTMTHP5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> <20071216000752.2FB0322998D@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20071215222733.00bde228@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 08:58 PM 12/15/2007 -0500, you wrote: >How about the line lot warranty? > >Once you cross the line at the end of the lot it's your problem. >-- >Steve W. >Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police >VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept I always warranty everything I sell. Not to rust, bust or collect dust for the first 30 feet or 30 seconds, which ever happens first, after I hand over the keys. Never have had a problem. (-; - Steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at atis.net sewell at ohio.edu From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Dec 15 19:46:30 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:46:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Link to Joe Kelly's References: <20071215212137.YNXG8.262369.root@fepweb10> Message-ID: <003501c83f96$3e79e7c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> J.B., here is the link to Joe's Desjardins engines: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/desjardins/page201.html I DO NOT think your engine is a Desjardins. Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: jbcast at charter.net To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Link to Joe Kelly's I inadvertantly deleted the link to Joe Kelly's Desjardins, would like to see them again if someone would provide the link. Thanks, J.B. From jbcast at charter.net Sat Dec 15 20:23:17 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:23:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Link to Joe Kelly's In-Reply-To: <003501c83f96$3e79e7c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <20071215232317.0CNMU.265382.root@fepweb10> ---- Denis Rouleau wrote: > J.B., here is the link to Joe's Desjardins engines: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/desjardins/page201.html > I DO NOT think your engine is a Desjardins. > Denis Rouleau Thanks Dennis, you may be right, doesn't look like Joe's. That's what it was sold as, I'm not going to return it. I don't have my BYB here, it's on loan. Anyone have any idea's, 3 flyball governor, six headbolts, mixer mounted on front of the head? J.B. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 15 20:54:23 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:54:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Desjardins' home In-Reply-To: <20071215211746.8E3EY.262283.root@fepweb10> References: <20071215211746.8E3EY.262283.root@fepweb10> Message-ID: <1197780863.4764af7f928cc@webmail.city-net.com> Hey JB, I think you're gonna be happy as a clam with a couple of really neat winter projects!! See ya, Arnie Quoting jbcast at charter.net: > Had a little help from my friends, picked up the Desjardin today. The bore > appears to be around seven inches, about an inch bigger than a dollar bill, > weighs about 2200lbs. I oiled everything up, it turns well and would probably > have compression looking at the cylinder, I'll have have to make some valves, > they were missing. The parts to the flyball governor were there, have been > broken off, will need some mending, it does turn and plunges freely. It had > been converted to sparkplug long ago, will have to find an ignitor. I stopped > at the Titan, owner wasn't home, got some pictures. Will get more when I > return to pick it up From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun Dec 16 06:57:03 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:57:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <4764863C.1080702@telenet.net> References: <6f6025160712130909x44b3b521l95b6e351eebc3687@mail.gmail.com> <004701c83db2$c4600800$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT0000A6U4VF0PF@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <002501c83e59$95d784c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <0JT100EA8QMG9IM4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <000401c83ec1$7d545c30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <0JT300JC7UTMTHP5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> <20071216000752.2FB0322998D@md5.pennswoods.net> <4764863C.1080702@telenet.net> Message-ID: <20071216115709.00C252299D2@md5.pennswoods.net> Another good one i need to remember At 08:58 PM 12/15/2007 -0500, you wrote: >How about the line lot warranty? > >Once you cross the line at the end of the lot it's your problem. >-- >Steve W. >Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police >VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept > >Richard Fink Sr wrote: > > Tony never heard of that warranty before that is a good one. I like it 8-) > > R Fink > > PA > > > > > > > > At 01:17 PM 12/15/2007 -0600, you wrote: > >> He was probably 17-18. Obviously he knew nothing about > >> cars. Needless to say he DIDN'T get his money back. I told him even > >> if the trannsmission WAS slipping he wouldn't have got his money back > >> since I put a "tail light" warranty on all the cars I sell. When I > >> can no longer see the tail lights, then the warranty has expired. > >> > >> -Tony > >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: >12/14/2007 11:29 AM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 16 05:52:42 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:52:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <20071216115709.00C252299D2@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <917680.77805.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, I remember back about 1984 selling a car to a guy I worked with, Howie. I put the car together from junk and had $4.32 spent on it. I drove the car for two years and found no problems. I sold it to him for a mere $400 and two weeks later he came to work in a different car and told me I sold him junk. The engine was busted. I had a couple more of those engines and I was just starting to think about replacing the engine for him when another guy came up to me and said not to. He told me he had a couple rides in that car and Howie had been ragging on it so hard he was surprised it lasted two weeks. He said Howie kept laughing as he showed him how he could peg the tach. with that engine. The car was a 1970 Opel with a 1900 cc engine and four speed tranny. I had put the 1972 Opel Manta Ralley tach. in it. Those engines red-lined at 7200 RPM and the needle pegged at just over 9000 RPM. The only way I ever pegged one of those tachs. was by slamming the tranny into 2nd gear at 100 MPH and popping the clutch. Fastest way I knew to take a 90 degree turn. 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Richard Fink Sr wrote: Another good one i need to remember At 08:58 PM 12/15/2007 -0500, you wrote: >How about the line lot warranty? > >Once you cross the line at the end of the lot it's your problem. >-- >Steve W. >Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police >VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept > >Richard Fink Sr wrote: > > Tony never heard of that warranty before that is a good one. I like it 8-) > > R Fink > > PA > > > > > > > > At 01:17 PM 12/15/2007 -0600, you wrote: > >> He was probably 17-18. Obviously he knew nothing about > >> cars. Needless to say he DIDN'T get his money back. I told him even > >> if the trannsmission WAS slipping he wouldn't have got his money back > >> since I put a "tail light" warranty on all the cars I sell. When I > >> can no longer see the tail lights, then the warranty has expired. > >> > >> -Tony > >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: >12/14/2007 11:29 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 11:51:07 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:51:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Missing Engine Manufacturers Message-ID: <6f6025160712161151v57e6e93bh3a2bfd7e1a778131@mail.gmail.com> Looking for some information the other day, I noticed (again) that there are a lot of makers of engines from the 1940's who didn't make it into the modern-day era. A lot of them were merged or absorbed into other companies, many went down after the war because they couldn't work in the new situation after the war, but a lot just seem to have vanished without trace. Buda, Buckeye, Harnischfeger (Might be European) Consolidated, Hallett, Wolverine, Enterprise, Lathrop, Sheppard, Lorain, Palmer, Washington Iron Works, US Motors, Venn-Severin, Union. These are a few from the 1949 Diesel Manufacturer's Catalog. What happened to them?? Lorain was the maker I was looking for, and found. Petr -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From elidas at aol.com Sun Dec 16 14:44:36 2007 From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:44:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mechanical geniuses In-Reply-To: <917680.77805.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA0E4C5EB93C74-6F4-807@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> > > > > At 01:17 PM 12/15/2007 -0600, you wrote: > >> He was probably 17-18. Obviously he knew nothing about > >> cars. Needless to say he DIDN'T get his money back. I told him even > >> if the trannsmission WAS slipping he wouldn't have got his money back > >> since I put a "tail light" warranty on all the cars I sell. When I > >> can no longer see the tail lights, then the warranty has expired. > >> > >> -Tony Sold an old Chevy to a youngster a while back. He came back a few minutes later screaming that he wanted his money back. The transmission is no good it doesn't shift right,stays in second! He never did believe me about Powerglides._______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From toadhill at aeroinc.net Mon Dec 17 07:23:41 2007 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe Maurer) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:23:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Warranties Message-ID: <001201c840c0$cf543540$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> Fellows, The rain and dust warranty applies to almost anything including cars and gas engines. "Charge it to the dust and let the rain settle it". Many years ago I bought a 1938 Plymouth (a rare truck in the U.S.) pickup truck that broke the driveshaft before it got out of the car lot. The dealer's warranty was that it would clear the lot. He fixed the truck. Joe From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 08:22:10 2007 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:22:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Warranties In-Reply-To: <001201c840c0$cf543540$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <288659.89029.qm@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A 38 Plymouth, Wow, quite a stulish piece of iron. A buddy bought a '47 Studebaker last fall, so ugly that it is cute. Must have belonged to some hippies at one point, big flowers painted on the door. If it could only tell the stories it has seen....... Many of you folks who have made the pilgrimage to Baraboo have driven by Jim Delaney's surplus joint, across highway 12 from the defunct Badger Army Ammunition Plant. The standard warranty there is that "if you break it, both halves are still yours, two for the price of one!". Jim ran a store selling groceries and the like to the folks who lived in the Badger Staff Village during the Korean operation. At that point in time it was illegal to sell condoms, they being labeled as an obscene item by our puritanical ancestors. Jim saw a niche and sought to fill it, and being a gentleman as well as a businessman told everyone that it they found it to be defective, to return it and he would give them a refund! He also offered to staple instructions to the package for those who might need them..... Joe Prindle Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 17 19:18:06 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:18:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <47618D32.2020900@imc-group.com><47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32622363&f= It is a 1 cylinder diesel engine. Sort of resembles the vertical Witte and Stover diesels with the box shape. Is somewhat modern as it has an electric starter, but appears that it can be hand cranked as well. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 05:46:33 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:46:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32622363&f= > > > It is a 1 cylinder diesel engine. > > Sort of resembles the vertical Witte and Stover diesels with the box > shape. > > Is somewhat modern as it has an electric starter, but appears that it > can be hand cranked as well. Is there any ID on the gearbox cover plate? Are there any details from the injector and pump? Looks sort of Scandinavian, but they preferred hot-bulbs to full diesels. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Tue Dec 18 06:16:04 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:16:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> References: <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a><010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A240F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Peter, The transmission is a Capitol, but they made marine transmissions that were used with various engines. I'll load a couple more pictures, including the trans cover. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:47 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] What engine is this?? On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32622363&f= > > > It is a 1 cylinder diesel engine. > > Sort of resembles the vertical Witte and Stover diesels with the box > shape. > > Is somewhat modern as it has an electric starter, but appears that it > can be hand cranked as well. Is there any ID on the gearbox cover plate? Are there any details from the injector and pump? Looks sort of Scandinavian, but they preferred hot-bulbs to full diesels. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Dec 18 06:49:34 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:49:34 -0000 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> References: <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com> <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a><010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> I must admit, it made me think of Volvo Penta - especially with that DynaStart-style starter. Must be quite an old one though, if it is Volvo Penta - pre-70s at a guess. Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: 18 December 2007 13:47 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] What engine is this?? > > On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=32622363&f= > > > > > > It is a 1 cylinder diesel engine. > > > > Sort of resembles the vertical Witte and Stover diesels with the box > > shape. > > > > Is somewhat modern as it has an electric starter, but > appears that it > > can be hand cranked as well. > > Is there any ID on the gearbox cover plate? > > Are there any details from the injector and pump? > > Looks sort of Scandinavian, but they preferred hot-bulbs to > full diesels. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 07:43:39 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:43:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A240F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A240F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712180743q3e4ff608j3a283bbb37ef321@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > Peter, > > The transmission is a Capitol, but they made marine transmissions that > were used with various engines. > > I'll load a couple more pictures, including the trans cover. > > George > They have been around since the 1900's, Canadian group owns them, contact details: http://www.capitolgear.com/CapitolContactUs.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Tue Dec 18 07:49:18 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:49:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> References: <47619EE6.3090000@imc-group.com><006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a><010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A253B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Anyone on this list near Jacksonville Florida? The pictures I posted show the engine which was taken out of a storage unit in Florida and the person cleaning out the unit doesn't want to scrap it if it is of value to someone. Email me off list if you're interested. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 07:40:58 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:40:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> References: <006901c83dd8$076a81f0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <6f6025160712180740u640b2808gdd475e00378992a6@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2007, Peter Scales wrote: > I must admit, it made me think of Volvo Penta - especially with that > DynaStart-style starter. Must be quite an old one though, if it is Volvo > Penta - pre-70s at a guess. > > > Pete I wouldn't say it was as young as that, the style of the injector top is 1950's and that starter is a regular inertia starter, possibly a 6V one at that. The dynamo is what you might be thinking of as the starter? and that isn't in the shots, it is cradle mounted on the side of the block, the drive belt is laying loose. I'd say 1950's or early 1960's. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 19 03:03:05 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:03:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> So, today I decided to edge the grass in the drive. (The edger is an'older' model with a 125cc Victa 2 stroke motor and a cutter blade that would scare hell out of any safety officer!) MISTAKE!!! 8.30 am. Half way through this minor chore, the cutter blade passed me at high speed! "Gosh" ( or another 4 letter word,) escaped my lips! Well! would you believe it. A broken crankshaft!! To make a loong saga short, two trips to a mower shop and hours of rebuilding, damage to the wallet contents, a bit of missing skin, etc.etc. saw the drive job completed at 5.30 pm. I wonder what joys tomorrow holds! Well, at least it was an engine story!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 19 03:47:56 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:47:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001701c84234$ff30cce0$726f4b47@mikecomp> You were lucky. Ever thought of a string trimmer? MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "oldengine list" ; "List SEL" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 6:03 AM Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! > So, today I decided to edge the grass in the drive. > (The edger is an'older' model with a 125cc Victa 2 stroke motor and a > cutter blade that would scare hell out of any safety officer!) > MISTAKE!!! > 8.30 am. Half way through this minor chore, the cutter blade passed me at > high speed! "Gosh" ( or another 4 letter word,) escaped my lips! > Well! would you believe it. A broken crankshaft!! > To make a loong saga short, two trips to a mower shop and hours of > rebuilding, damage to the wallet contents, a bit of missing skin, etc.etc. > saw the drive job completed at 5.30 pm. > I wonder what joys tomorrow holds! > > > Well, at least it was an engine story!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Wed Dec 19 04:28:26 2007 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:28:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Early Christmas present In-Reply-To: <003101c83f35$cacedbb0$b11887d8@VALUED9133F4FA> References: <002601c83df2$7e2c6dc0$643fa041@AlComputer><003601c83e61$29dcdfb0$e41887d8@VALUED9133F4FA><00a401c83ebb$ef62b890$97d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <4763CB10.4060809@verizon.net> <003101c83f35$cacedbb0$b11887d8@VALUED9133F4FA> Message-ID: <47690E6A.1060109@atis.net> I figured you folks deserved a present this year - so look under the tree: http://www.atis.net/forums PS: Been busy with life and the project resulting in the link above - charity auction to start soon! Spencer Yost From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 05:03:00 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:03:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Souix Valve Seat Refacer Message-ID: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> Just dug out the valve seat reacing kit that we acquired when our friends went to the USA a few years ago, and found that it was a lot more comprehensive that we had thought. There is a nice jig for refacing the cutter stones and the motor for the tool is 220V, not 110V as we would have expected. Does anyone know if the stones are still available anywhere? They all have a threaded steel centre that fits the main tool shaft, and there are a good selection of valve guide pilots in the kit that keep the cutter centred while in use. Manufacturer is Albertson & Co., now part of Snap-On, but they don't seem to know much about the product, even thopugh they have owned the company since 1993. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From yostsw at atis.net Wed Dec 19 05:17:02 2007 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:17:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Early Christmas present In-Reply-To: <004f01c8423f$deb780c0$210110ac@one> References: <004f01c8423f$deb780c0$210110ac@one> Message-ID: <476919CE.1070103@atis.net> It won't replace the email lists - that technology is simply too convenient for many people when compared to a bulletin board. But nothing beats the immediacy of a bulletin board, plus you can have pictures, attachments, etc that are safe for everyone and don't create a throughput and storage nightmare for me. Plus, it will allow me to upgrade the classifieds to a system that will allow pictures. The bulletin board allows you to "subscribe" to individual forums and receive email form that particular forum. Yo won't have to go on line to post to the forum, but you can use email to read and not miss anything. Got to run to work... Spencer From JR504 at aol.com Wed Dec 19 06:37:02 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:37:02 EST Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!, good ending. Message-ID: Many year ago a buddy of mine was mowing the lawn with a push mower. It began to shake violently, but only for a moment. The mower blade broke in half and the loose part went flying. His 3 or 4 year old son was outside at the time and was instantly knocked off his feet. John (my buddy) was thinking the worst as he ran over to him, but found that the blade had hit the ground just in front of where the kid was standing. It dug a divot out of the lawn as it passed under his feet, and came back out of the ground just passed him. He found the blade lodged in the door of his Chevy a few feet away. I'd still be having nightmares had I witnessed it. Joe "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" Henry Ford **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 19 08:11:30 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:11:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: > I wonder what joys tomorrow holds! One never knows, but it might behoove you to wear your safety glasses. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 19 08:12:21 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:12:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <001701c84234$ff30cce0$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001701c84234$ff30cce0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:47 AM, Mike Royster wrote: > You were lucky. Ever thought of a string trimmer? Once again, Mike, you're talking nonsense. Ignore him, Reg, and get yourself a gardener. Rob From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Dec 19 08:15:50 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:15:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!, good ending. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071219111419.033eb390@pop3.wcoil.com> Their Guardian Angel was protecting them that day. Merry Christmas, Mark At 09:37 AM 12/19/07, you wrote: >Many year ago a buddy of mine was mowing the lawn with a push mower. It >began to shake violently, but only for a moment. The mower blade >broke in half >and the loose part went flying. His 3 or 4 year old son was outside at the >time and was instantly knocked off his feet. John (my buddy) was >thinking the >worst as he ran over to him, but found that the blade had hit the ground >just in front of where the kid was standing. It dug a divot out of the >lawn as >it passed under his feet, and came back out of the ground just passed him. >He found the blade lodged in the door of his Chevy a few feet away. I'd >still >be having nightmares had I witnessed it. >Joe > >"You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" >Henry Ford Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 19 08:32:52 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:32:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: >> I wonder what joys tomorrow holds! > > One never knows, but it might behoove you to wear your safety glasses. AND a CUP! From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Dec 19 09:19:30 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:19:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071219.121930.916.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Reg, Sorry to hear about the broke crankshaft. Lucky no one got hurt. Reminds me of the time I was working on a Husqvarna 250cc Dirt Bike and the magneto/flywheel decided to go faster than the bike. Off the bike - up onto the sidewalk - along the sidewalk to hit a bump and flew up over a house !!! After hours of looking, never did find it. = = = = = = Anyway - Hi to the list - - - and a question - I have a Jacobsen 21" Lawn Green Power Reel Mower. I got the 2 cycle engine to running comdition but there was a "cable" recoil starter rope. I've tried nylon cord but nothing the right diameter seemd strong enough. I am thinking of using garage door cable. Question - - - Has anyone had much success with installing the little steel balls on the end of 3/32" to 1/8" cable? I've tried soldering but the solder wont stick to the cable. I guess the cable is stainless. Any Ideas ?? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 10:05:32 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:05:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Souix Valve Seat Refacer In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712191005w4f6fc18al710f0ec73c21986d@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > Just dug out the valve seat reacing kit that we acquired when our > friends went to the USA a few years ago, and found that it was a lot > more comprehensive that we had thought. > Had this list of possible sources from Sioux Tools Tech Support: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Lacey Williams (L & L Service Co) Ph. 908-387-0087 Fax 908-387-0187 Bark's Equipment ---------------- Ph. 800-545-0545 Fax 573-335-7712 JL Woodward Co ---------------- Ph. 800-433-1870 Fax 503-657-0144 Goodson Automotive -------------- Ph. 800-533-8010 Fax 507-452-2907 Hopper Equipment ---------------- Ph. 909-946-6800 Fax 909-946-0600 Regis Manufacturing ------------- Ph. 214-421-5171 Fax 214-565-1704 Uni-Select USA ------------------ Ph. 651-633-8111 Fax 651-633-0533 Engine Parts Whse --------------- Ph. 502-937-7258 Fax 502-931-9259 Engine Rebuilders Whse ---------- Ph. 954-792-9800 Fax 954-792-1757 Other Possible Sources Stultz Mach Tls & Equip --------- Ph. 540-981-9359 Fax 540-981-1901 Ron Owens ----------------------- Ph. 405-670-6211 Fax 405-670-4003 Kwik-way ------------------------ Ph. 800-533-5953 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thought it might be of interest to anyone else with the kit. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Dec 19 11:07:13 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:07:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <200712191907.lBJJ7PH6080246@mail-gw.fsr.net> Reg, that close call was too close for comfort! I'm glad some part of your body didn't get in the flight path of that cutter blade! Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:03 AM To: oldengine list; List SEL Subject: Life happens!! Snip Half way through this minor chore, the cutter blade passed me at high speed! Snip Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed Dec 19 11:58:26 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:58:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <20071219.121930.916.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20071219.121930.916.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <476977E2.8030001@xplornet.com> Hello Joe, Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks like lead solder) will work if the cable is stainless. Brass will work if the cable is steel and may work on the stainless too. It depends on the stainless alloy if brass will work. The other way to do it is the way the factory did. Machine a ball to specs and then swedge it on to the cable. Rupert Ps. I'll look up the silver solder specs if you need them. jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > I have a Jacobsen 21" Lawn Green Power Reel Mower. > I got the 2 cycle engine to running comdition but there was a "cable" > recoil starter rope. I've tried nylon cord but nothing the right > diameter > seemd strong enough. > > I am thinking of using garage door cable. > > Question - - - Has anyone had much success with installing the little > steel balls on the end of 3/32" to 1/8" cable? > > I've tried soldering but the solder wont stick to the cable. > I guess the cable is stainless. > > Any Ideas ?? > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 19 12:18:08 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:18:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><001701c84234$ff30cce0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <00cf01c8427c$f74ff710$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> We dont have Mexicanz here!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:47 AM, Mike Royster wrote: > >> You were lucky. Ever thought of a string trimmer? > > > Once again, Mike, you're talking nonsense. Ignore him, Reg, and get > yourself a gardener. > > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 12:32:04 2007 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:32:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001701c84234$ff30cce0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: Ahh he's just talking big, Everyone knows that Marg does all the heavy work around there. How else do you think he can crank out several hundred model engines a year!!! Steve, the good cloistered oyster brother. > From: rskinner at rustyiron.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:12:21 -0800> Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!!> > On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:47 AM, Mike Royster wrote:> > > You were lucky. Ever thought of a string trimmer?> > > Once again, Mike, you're talking nonsense. Ignore him, Reg, and get > yourself a gardener.> > Rob> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 19 13:24:14 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:24:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <012301c84285$889fb270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> He's NOT taking one of my good cups outside!!!! I'll make him coffee when he's done the job. Marg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > On Dec 19, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > >>> I wonder what joys tomorrow holds! >> >> One never knows, but it might behoove you to wear your safety glasses. > > AND a CUP! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Dec 19 13:24:47 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:24:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071219.132447.1996.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Want some? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:18:08 +1100 "R & M Ingold" writes: > We dont have Mexicanz here!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 13:38:52 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:38:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <012301c84285$889fb270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <012301c84285$889fb270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160712191338j3f041c7asa93949b83bd8f8f2@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > He's NOT taking one of my good cups outside!!!! I'll make him coffee when > he's done the job. Marg Wonder if Rob meant a box.... :-)) Petr -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 19 14:08:20 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:08:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <00cf01c8427c$f74ff710$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><001701c84234$ff30cce0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <00cf01c8427c$f74ff710$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <74382DC2-E697-43CA-B257-126E1AF3725B@alltel.net> Five me your snail address Reg, and I will send you a few! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:18 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > We dont have Mexicanz here!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 3:12 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > > >> On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:47 AM, Mike Royster wrote: >> >>> You were lucky. Ever thought of a string trimmer? >> >> >> Once again, Mike, you're talking nonsense. Ignore him, Reg, and get >> yourself a gardener. >> >> Rob From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 19 14:19:38 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:19:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <20071219.132447.1996.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <023f01c8428d$441814f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Naaah! We have Abbos!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:24 AM Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! > Want some? > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:18:08 +1100 "R & M Ingold" > writes: >> We dont have Mexicanz here!! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From eallandar at rohrerbus.com Wed Dec 19 14:30:32 2007 From: eallandar at rohrerbus.com (Ed Allandar) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:30:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Souix Valve Seat Refacer In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003e01c8428e$c46ac520$edb5fea9@Rohrer.lcl> Try www.goodson.com I get all my stones & supplies from them. Great people to deal with and prices always seem to be very competitive. Ed Allandar -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:03 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine Subject: [SEL] Souix Valve Seat Refacer Just dug out the valve seat reacing kit that we acquired when our friends went to the USA a few years ago, and found that it was a lot more comprehensive that we had thought. There is a nice jig for refacing the cutter stones and the motor for the tool is 220V, not 110V as we would have expected. Does anyone know if the stones are still available anywhere? They all have a threaded steel centre that fits the main tool shaft, and there are a good selection of valve guide pilots in the kit that keep the cutter centred while in use. Manufacturer is Albertson & Co., now part of Snap-On, but they don't seem to know much about the product, even thopugh they have owned the company since 1993. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Wed Dec 19 14:30:32 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:30:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Souix Valve Seat Refacer In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160712190503i6bd8e780xecf9d7ad7607224f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47699B88.10808@telenet.net> http://www.kwik-way.com/products/Engine/sioux.htm http://iss-sales-service.com/sioux/index.html I have one myself along with a bench mount valve grinder. If you use it a LOT you may need new stones in 4-5 years.... -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept Listerdiesel wrote: > Just dug out the valve seat reacing kit that we acquired when our > friends went to the USA a few years ago, and found that it was a lot > more comprehensive that we had thought. > > There is a nice jig for refacing the cutter stones and the motor for > the tool is 220V, not 110V as we would have expected. > > Does anyone know if the stones are still available anywhere? They all > have a threaded steel centre that fits the main tool shaft, and there > are a good selection of valve guide pilots in the kit that keep the > cutter centred while in use. > > Manufacturer is Albertson & Co., now part of Snap-On, but they don't > seem to know much about the product, even thopugh they have owned the > company since 1993. > > Peter From johnculp at btes.tv Wed Dec 19 19:38:51 2007 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:38:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <008801c8422e$c517a890$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2007, at 6:03 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: > To make a loong saga short, two trips to a mower shop and hours of > rebuilding, damage to the wallet contents, a bit of missing skin, > etc.etc. I'm glad you're not missing your skin bit, Reg! (You're not, are you?) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us Thu Dec 20 10:52:09 2007 From: badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us (badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:52:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <536637.96363.qm@web82014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <536637.96363.qm@web82014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I just posted a chain saw that at the moment qualifies as a stationary engine. Brice From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Dec 20 12:51:35 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:51:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071220.155140.264.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hello Joe, Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks like lead solder) will work if the cable is stainless. = = = = = = Thanks Rupert, I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. I'll need to do more experimenting. I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. I didn't think cable would be necessary but, after pulling a couple times with fuel, the compression really climbs in that little 2 cycle. Thanks for your reply. From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Dec 20 13:33:00 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:33:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071221082748.021f61c0@ncable.com.au> Hey look all you guys, Not really wanting to be the first from the list to start this off but! we wish all the very best in seasons greetings. I wish everyone (even Dave) a very merry christmas and a safe one if you are travelling. I'm sure to veiw the list over the next comming days but we have a few big days ahead of grogging on. A couple of familay days and then away a couple of days. So all be good and enjoy the festive season, regards Carmel and Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From bethell at internode.on.net Thu Dec 20 13:59:17 2007 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:59:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071221082748.021f61c0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <002701c84353$90fdae30$0201010a@JIM> Russell, All the best mate, may even see you in Horsham!!! Jimbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:33 AM Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho > Hey look all you guys, Not really wanting to be the first from the > list to start this off but! we wish all the very best in seasons > greetings. I wish everyone (even Dave) a very merry christmas and a > safe one if you are travelling. I'm sure to veiw the list over the > next comming days but we have a few big days ahead of grogging on. A > couple of familay days and then away a couple of days. > > So all be good and enjoy the festive season, > regards Carmel and Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 14:14:17 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:14:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A253B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A253B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712201414g35bb6bc1i625d126784d9431b@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > Anyone on this list near Jacksonville Florida? > > The pictures I posted show the engine which was taken out of a storage > unit in Florida and the person cleaning out the unit doesn't want to > scrap it if it is of value to someone. > > Email me off list if you're interested. > > George > George: Look at: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43523 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 14:18:25 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:18:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712201414g35bb6bc1i625d126784d9431b@mail.gmail.com> References: <008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com> <03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A253B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712201414g35bb6bc1i625d126784d9431b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160712201418j28ff1486y95e5ca86f2837ce7@mail.gmail.com> On 20/12/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > George: > > Look at: > > http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43523 > > Peter Ignore that, I see that you're on the case in another part of the forum :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 20 14:39:53 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:39:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160712201414g35bb6bc1i625d126784d9431b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905600883@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><008101c83ddc$8642bfc0$a6a5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056309D6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><010b01c83e9c$86ffa3e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a><010b01c83e9f$4871d140$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A23BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160712180546s7d347faav5aeb5c839ad26866@mail.gmail.com><03bb01c84185$34bdf820$8335c53e@doc><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059056A253B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160712201414g35bb6bc1i625d126784d9431b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590572ED80@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Same engine and the posting is by the person who contacted me originally. Looks like he's found the Smokstak website. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] What engine is this?? On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > Anyone on this list near Jacksonville Florida? > > The pictures I posted show the engine which was taken out of a storage > unit in Florida and the person cleaning out the unit doesn't want to > scrap it if it is of value to someone. > > Email me off list if you're interested. > > George > George: Look at: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43523 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 20 16:08:35 2007 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:08:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho In-Reply-To: <002701c84353$90fdae30$0201010a@JIM> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071221082748.021f61c0@ncable.com.au> <002701c84353$90fdae30$0201010a@JIM> Message-ID: Hi All, all the best for a merry x-mas and a happy new year,Dave ps Russ dont have too many beverages and i have pick up your sign today> From: bethell at internode.on.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:59:17 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho> > Russell,> All the best mate, may even see you in Horsham!!!> Jimbo> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russell Gilbert" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:33 AM> Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho> > > > Hey look all you guys, Not really wanting to be the first from the > > list to start this off but! we wish all the very best in seasons > > greetings. I wish everyone (even Dave) a very merry christmas and a > > safe one if you are travelling. I'm sure to veiw the list over the > > next comming days but we have a few big days ahead of grogging on. A > > couple of familay days and then away a couple of days.> > > > So all be good and enjoy the festive season,> > regards Carmel and Russell> > Russell Gilbert> > Sunny Sunraysia> > russell at ncable.com.au> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > > > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Thu Dec 20 17:01:50 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:31:50 +1030 Subject: [SEL] What engine is this?? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590572ED80@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000201c8436d$14c10730$96c9ae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> Send him here, http://www.oldmarineengine.com/ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, 21 December 2007 9:10 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] What engine is this?? Same engine and the posting is by the person who contacted me originally. Looks like he's found the Smokstak website. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] What engine is this?? On 18/12/2007, Best, George wrote: > Anyone on this list near Jacksonville Florida? > From ddotto at cableone.net Thu Dec 20 18:52:35 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:52:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <20071220.155140.264.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000101c8437c$8abe6b80$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Hi Joe I just went through this with my vintage Lawn Boy Mower; they wanted $75.00 for a new engine brake cable; I don't think so. The sheath was ok so I ordered some bulk cable form McMaster Carr (it was an odd size not available in town) and made a new cable assembly using the old sheath. One end of the cable had a ball. What I did was turn up an aluminum sleeve in he lathe and squish it on with my buddy's Nicopress tool. I used it several more times this season and it worked great. Lowes has the Nicopres tool and sleeves if you have one near by. The sleeves you can buy are the double type for making a loop on the end of a cable. That is why I made a single sleeve to replace the ball. Good Luck Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:52 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > > Hello Joe, > Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks > like lead > solder) will work if the cable is stainless. > = = = = = = > Thanks Rupert, > I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. > > I'll need to do more experimenting. > > I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple > cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. > > I didn't think cable would be necessary but, after pulling a couple times > with fuel, the compression really climbs in that little 2 cycle. > > > Thanks for your reply. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 20 19:29:55 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:29:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <000101c8437c$8abe6b80$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Message-ID: <019501c84381$c201d000$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> The clutch cables on the Cushman motor scooters and other similar machines using cables had a small grommet on each end that was bored through big enough for the cable to fit through. The end where the cable came out was bored back in a taper or funnel shaped. All you had to do was push the cable through the grommet. When the cable protruded a ways, you would just fray out the cable and then fill it with plain solder which in turn, made the cable to large in dia. to go back through. That way, you ned not to heat the cable very hot thus preserving its temper and strength. This was all detailed in the maintainance literature, and the procedure would make a repair that would last a long time or 'till the cable wore out. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Otto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > Hi Joe > > I just went through this with my vintage Lawn Boy Mower; they wanted > $75.00 > for a new engine brake cable; I don't think so. > > The sheath was ok so I ordered some bulk cable form McMaster Carr (it was > an > odd size not available in town) and made a new cable assembly using the > old > sheath. > > One end of the cable had a ball. What I did was turn up an aluminum sleeve > in he lathe and squish it on with my buddy's Nicopress tool. > > I used it several more times this season and it worked great. Lowes has > the > Nicopres tool and sleeves if you have one near by. > > The sleeves you can buy are the double type for making a loop on the end > of > a cable. That is why I made a single sleeve to replace the ball. > > Good Luck > > Dave > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >> bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:52 PM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! >> >> Hello Joe, >> Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks >> like lead >> solder) will work if the cable is stainless. >> = = = = = = >> Thanks Rupert, >> I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. >> >> I'll need to do more experimenting. >> >> I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple >> cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. >> >> I didn't think cable would be necessary but, after pulling a couple times >> with fuel, the compression really climbs in that little 2 cycle. >> >> >> Thanks for your reply. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: > 12/19/2007 7:37 PM > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Dec 20 20:57:28 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:57:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071221082748.021f61c0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <002301c8438d$fd5e13f0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> I say to all, Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year, keep it safe, drink as much as you need, without under doing it. Cam and Edwina. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:33 AM Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho > Hey look all you guys, Not really wanting to be the first from the > list to start this off but! we wish all the very best in seasons > greetings. I wish everyone (even Dave) a very merry christmas and a > safe one if you are travelling. I'm sure to veiw the list over the > next comming days but we have a few big days ahead of grogging on. A > couple of familay days and then away a couple of days. > > So all be good and enjoy the festive season, > regards Carmel and Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Thu Dec 20 22:59:07 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:59:07 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <000101c8437c$8abe6b80$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Message-ID: <002801c8439e$fd105960$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> I just used some old cable out of another mower throttle cable couldnt buy parts for it anyway as to old hasnt mised a beat since i resoldered on the original block piece on to the new cable using a gas cooker worked fine soldering iron didnt get it hot enough. The mower had been sitting in a shed for 20 years the only thing wrong with it was the frayed cable kept jamming use it all the time now to cut the lawns and take me for rides..brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Otto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > Hi Joe > > I just went through this with my vintage Lawn Boy Mower; they wanted $75.00 > for a new engine brake cable; I don't think so. > > The sheath was ok so I ordered some bulk cable form McMaster Carr (it was an > odd size not available in town) and made a new cable assembly using the old > sheath. > > One end of the cable had a ball. What I did was turn up an aluminum sleeve > in he lathe and squish it on with my buddy's Nicopress tool. > > I used it several more times this season and it worked great. Lowes has the > Nicopres tool and sleeves if you have one near by. > > The sleeves you can buy are the double type for making a loop on the end of > a cable. That is why I made a single sleeve to replace the ball. > > Good Luck > > Dave > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:52 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > > > > Hello Joe, > > Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks > > like lead > > solder) will work if the cable is stainless. > > = = = = = = > > Thanks Rupert, > > I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. > > > > I'll need to do more experimenting. > > > > I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple > > cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. > > > > I didn't think cable would be necessary but, after pulling a couple times > > with fuel, the compression really climbs in that little 2 cycle. > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 12/20/2007 2:14 PM > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Dec 21 00:15:58 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:15:58 EST Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: Hi Skip, I appreciate hearing about this. I have some cable repair to do and this technique should work really well. I can even see leaving out the soldering and instead using something like JB Weld as the filler to keep the cable from passing back through the grommet. Thank you. Ron PS: I'll use the Dremel moto-tool to cut the cable to lenght. quick and easy. A little scrap brass should work for the grommets and after I have cut them to diameter and length, I can make up a jig I can hold them on the lathe chuck to first bore them using a tailstock chuck and drill bit, then tip them a little and use a boring bar to cut the internal taper. Material cost = next to nothing, Effectiveness = make whatever length I want. Playing with the tools = priceless!!! In a message dated 12/20/2007 10:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, skipcleveland at bellsouth.net writes: The clutch cables on the Cushman motor scooters and other similar machines using cables had a small grommet on each end that was bored through big enough for the cable to fit through. The end where the cable came out was bored back in a taper or funnel shaped. All you had to do was push the cable through the grommet. When the cable protruded a ways, you would just fray out the cable and then fill it with plain solder which in turn, made the cable to large in dia. to go back through. That way, you ned not to heat the cable very hot thus preserving its temper and strength. This was all detailed in the maintainance literature, and the procedure would make a repair that would last a long time or 'till the cable wore out. Skip **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 01:24:42 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:24:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160712210124o3b0f9314w601cf081bcc0c088@mail.gmail.com> > In a message dated 12/20/2007 10:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > skipcleveland at bellsouth.net writes: > > The clutch cables on the Cushman motor scooters and other similar machines > using cables had a small grommet on each end that was bored through big > enough for the cable to fit through. The end where the cable came out was > bored back in a taper or funnel shaped. All you had to do was push the cable > through the grommet. When the cable protruded a ways, you would just fray > out the cable and then fill it with plain solder which in turn, made the > cable to large in dia. to go back through. That way, you ned not to heat the > cable very hot thus preserving its temper and strength. This was all > detailed in the maintainance literature, and the procedure would make a > repair that would last a long time or 'till the cable wore out. > Skip > Most British motorcycles used that method for years, and generally it was a good method, but occasionally you'd find the solder joint failing, just as you needed it most when you were doing a panic braking manouevre! Didn't matter so much if you lost the clutch, but losing the front brake was a REAL problem. The old Ariel Red Hunter 350 I had did that to me. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Dec 21 02:33:40 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:33:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Back....OT Message-ID: <002501c843bc$f77aec40$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> I know some of you will be glad to hear that I am back! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Fri Dec 21 04:12:54 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:12:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071221082748.021f61c0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071221082748.021f61c0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Russell, have you got the Anglo running yet? Merry Christmas And a happy new year everyone. John> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:33:00 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho> > Hey look all you guys, Not really wanting to be the first from the > list to start this off but! we wish all the very best in seasons > greetings. I wish everyone (even Dave) a very merry christmas and a > safe one if you are travelling. I'm sure to veiw the list over the > next comming days but we have a few big days ahead of grogging on. A > couple of familay days and then away a couple of days.> > So all be good and enjoy the festive season,> regards Carmel and Russell> Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 21 06:04:47 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:04:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: Message-ID: <003301c843da$72f2b7a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> It takes some skill. I remember one thing, keep the solder or in this case, JB Weld all inside the cable or it will provide leverage for the grommet to pull the solder out. At least that's how I remember being told. It also doesn't want to be able to fall out either. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > > Hi Skip, > I appreciate hearing about this. I have some cable repair to do and this > technique should work really well. I can even see leaving out the > soldering and > instead using something like JB Weld as the filler to keep the cable from > passing back through the grommet. Thank you. > Ron > PS: I'll use the Dremel moto-tool to cut the cable to lenght. quick and > easy. > A little scrap brass should work for the grommets and after I have cut > them > to diameter and length, I can make up a jig I can hold them on the lathe > chuck > to first bore them using a tailstock chuck and drill bit, then tip them a > little and use a boring bar to cut the internal taper. Material cost = > next to > nothing, Effectiveness = make whatever length I want. Playing with the > tools > = priceless!!! > > In a message dated 12/20/2007 10:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > skipcleveland at bellsouth.net writes: > > The clutch cables on the Cushman motor scooters and other similar machines > using cables had a small grommet on each end that was bored through big > enough for the cable to fit through. The end where the cable came out was > bored back in a taper or funnel shaped. All you had to do was push the > cable > through the grommet. When the cable protruded a ways, you would just fray > out the cable and then fill it with plain solder which in turn, made the > cable to large in dia. to go back through. That way, you ned not to heat > the > cable very hot thus preserving its temper and strength. This was all > detailed in the maintainance literature, and the procedure would make a > repair that would last a long time or 'till the cable wore out. > Skip > > > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: > 12/19/2007 7:37 PM > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 21 06:16:34 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:16:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <6f6025160712210124o3b0f9314w601cf081bcc0c088@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801c843dc$17e29310$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Small world. We are organizing our 50th. High school reunion which remindes me that a good school chum and I rode to school every morning with each other, and he had a new Ariel Red Hunter and I had the lowley Cushman Eagle. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! >> In a message dated 12/20/2007 10:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> skipcleveland at bellsouth.net writes: >> >> The clutch cables on the Cushman motor scooters and other similar >> machines >> using cables had a small grommet on each end that was bored through big >> enough for the cable to fit through. The end where the cable came out >> was >> bored back in a taper or funnel shaped. All you had to do was push the >> cable >> through the grommet. When the cable protruded a ways, you would just fray >> out the cable and then fill it with plain solder which in turn, made the >> cable to large in dia. to go back through. That way, you ned not to heat >> the >> cable very hot thus preserving its temper and strength. This was all >> detailed in the maintainance literature, and the procedure would make a >> repair that would last a long time or 'till the cable wore out. >> Skip >> > > Most British motorcycles used that method for years, and generally it > was a good method, but occasionally you'd find the solder joint > failing, just as you needed it most when you were doing a panic > braking manouevre! Didn't matter so much if you lost the clutch, but > losing the front brake was a REAL problem. > > The old Ariel Red Hunter 350 I had did that to me. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: > 12/19/2007 7:37 PM > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 06:51:59 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:51:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <003801c843dc$17e29310$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <6f6025160712210124o3b0f9314w601cf081bcc0c088@mail.gmail.com> <003801c843dc$17e29310$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <6f6025160712210651m40e9ac9ek4c8087f05275f1f7@mail.gmail.com> On 21/12/2007, Skip Cleveland wrote: > Small world. We are organizing our 50th. High school reunion which remindes > me that a good school chum and I rode to school every morning with each > other, and he had a new Ariel Red Hunter and I had the lowley Cushman Eagle. > Skip > Lovely bike, 350cc, swinging arm frame and full-width hubs, loped along with no effort at all. TYE 248 was the registration number, never forget that! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 06:44:47 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:44:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071221.100806.872.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Skip, Sounds like workable solution. I have taken one ball off the old cable by cutting & drilling it out. I could drill the ball to make like a countersink insert & spread the cable and blob some solder on it. Thanks, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:29:55 -0500 "Skip Cleveland" writes: > The clutch cables on the Cushman motor scooters and other similar > machines > using cables had a small grommet on each end that was bored through > big > enough for the cable to fit through. The end where the cable came > out was > bored back in a taper or funnel shaped. All you had to do was push > the cable > through the grommet. When the cable protruded a ways, you would just > fray > out the cable and then fill it with plain solder which in turn, made > the > cable to large in dia. to go back through. That way, you ned not to > heat the > cable very hot thus preserving its temper and strength. This was all > > detailed in the maintainance literature, and the procedure would > make a > repair that would last a long time or 'till the cable wore out. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Otto" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > > > > Hi Joe > > > > I just went through this with my vintage Lawn Boy Mower; they > wanted > > $75.00 > > for a new engine brake cable; I don't think so. > > > > The sheath was ok so I ordered some bulk cable form McMaster Carr > (it was > > an > > odd size not available in town) and made a new cable assembly > using the > > old > > sheath. > > > > One end of the cable had a ball. What I did was turn up an > aluminum sleeve > > in he lathe and squish it on with my buddy's Nicopress tool. > > > > I used it several more times this season and it worked great. > Lowes has > > the > > Nicopres tool and sleeves if you have one near by. > > > > The sleeves you can buy are the double type for making a loop on > the end > > of > > a cable. That is why I made a single sleeve to replace the ball. > > > > Good Luck > > > > Dave > > > > Dave Otto > > Boise, Idaho > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > >> bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com > >> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:52 PM > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > >> > >> Hello Joe, > >> Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that > looks > >> like lead > >> solder) will work if the cable is stainless. > >> = = = = = = > >> Thanks Rupert, > >> I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. > >> > >> I'll need to do more experimenting. > >> > >> I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple > >> cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. > >> > >> I didn't think cable would be necessary but, after pulling a > couple times > >> with fuel, the compression really climbs in that little 2 > cycle. > >> > >> > >> Thanks for your reply. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: > > 12/19/2007 7:37 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 06:55:07 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:55:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071221.100806.872.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ron, Now - JB Weld sounds like an idea I haven't thought about but sounds like it should work. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." I can even see leaving out the soldering and instead using something like JB Weld as the filler to keep the cable from passing back through the grommet. Thank you. Ron From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 06:58:53 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:58:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Back....OT Message-ID: <20071221.100806.872.5.jlb94@juno.com> Good to have you back Pete. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:33:40 +0800 "peter ogborne" writes: > I know some of you will be glad to hear that I am back! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 06:40:56 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:40:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071221.100806.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave, Sounds like a workable idea for me. I have a Lowes fairly close and will look up those Nicopres Sleves. Thanks - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:52:35 -0700 "Dave Otto" writes: > Hi Joe > > I just went through this with my vintage Lawn Boy Mower; they wanted > $75.00 > for a new engine brake cable; I don't think so. > > The sheath was ok so I ordered some bulk cable form McMaster Carr > (it was an > odd size not available in town) and made a new cable assembly using > the old > sheath. > > One end of the cable had a ball. What I did was turn up an aluminum > sleeve > in he lathe and squish it on with my buddy's Nicopress tool. > > I used it several more times this season and it worked great. Lowes > has the > Nicopres tool and sleeves if you have one near by. > > The sleeves you can buy are the double type for making a loop on the > end of > a cable. That is why I made a single sleeve to replace the ball. > > Good Luck > > Dave > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:52 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > > > > Hello Joe, > > Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that > looks > > like lead > > solder) will work if the cable is stainless. > > = = = = = = > > Thanks Rupert, > > I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. > > > > I'll need to do more experimenting. > > > > I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple > > cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. > > > > I didn't think cable would be necessary but, after pulling a > couple times > > with fuel, the compression really climbs in that little 2 cycle. > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 06:51:53 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:51:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071221.100806.872.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Brent, This recoil cable is about 1/8" Dia. and very flexable. Another of my concerns is the flexability of the cable that I'll use. The original is only 24" long and the recoil spring is like a light weight coil spring except that it acts on a spinning action rather than a pushing action. I don't know if throttle cable would be strong enough but I have some old bicycle brake cable that might do the job. Thanks. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." I just used some old cable out of another mower throttle cable couldnt buy parts for it anyway as to old hasnt mised a beat since i resoldered on the original block piece on to the new cable using a gas cooker worked fine soldering iron didnt get it hot enough. The mower had been sitting in a shed for 20 years the only thing wrong with it was the frayed cable kept jamming use it all the time now to cut the lawns and take me for rides..brentnz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 06:58:12 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:58:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071221.100806.872.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Pete, Reminds me of the time my clutch cable broke on my '50 Harley. I had to ride home in city traffic trying to "time" the red lights. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." braking manouevre! Didn't matter so much if you lost the clutch, but losing the front brake was a REAL problem. The old Ariel Red Hunter 350 I had did that to me. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 21 07:15:56 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:15:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F199B47-0CEF-46E8-827A-B2F1DEF11431@rustyiron.com> On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:15 AM, maytagtwin at aol.com wrote: > > then tip them a > little and use a boring bar to cut the internal taper. That's quite insightful, Ron. I'll try to describe the shackle arrangement used on elevators for many years -- an application that must have 100% reliability. Perhaps it will help you in your design. The "socket" of the shackle is a taper, as you described. The big end is a more than twice the diameter of the wire rope. The wire rope is threaded through the shackle, then the individual lays of the cable unwound so they "fray" out in a cone shape. Each lay is then turned back in on itself, into the middle of the rope. This is called a "rosette." Each loop of the rosette must be exactly like all the others and the length appropriate to match the shackle. When all the lays are done, the rope is pulled back into the shackle. Being more than twice the diameter as it was originally, the rope will not pull through the shackle. At this point, the rope/shackle will hold a load, but it will need to remain in service for many years and measures must be taken to assure than nothing shifts from it's current configuration. While inverted, babbitt is poured into the shackle to lock the rope in place. The babbitt is just to hold it all together; it does not carry a load. Have a Merry Christmas, Rob From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 21 08:31:21 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:31:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <20071221.100806.872.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <008601c843ee$ec8ab590$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> I had put a truckster clutch on my Eagle which made me have a suicide clutch, no more automatic clutch. I put a hand clutch on and used some sort of HD K model cable, that worked. I had to then remove the foot boards and use some more HD parts and Bates foot pegs to facilitate a foot shift. I can now squeze blood from a stone with my left hand. Solid clutch lugged the engine but sounded beautiful, broke the crank. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > Hi Pete, > Reminds me of the time my clutch cable broke on my '50 Harley. > I had to ride home in city traffic trying to "time" the red lights. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." > > > > braking manouevre! Didn't matter so much if you lost the clutch, but > losing the front brake was a REAL problem. > > The old Ariel Red Hunter 350 I had did that to me. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: > 12/20/2007 2:14 PM > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 21 09:26:26 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:26:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <20071221.100806.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20071221.100806.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, McMaster-Carr carries a ton of cable and sells it by the foot. The multi-strand construction (7x9 for example) is really flexible. They have an excellent section on how to select cable based on what you need it to do. To terminate the end of the cable use a "stop sleeve." That's also one of the Nicopress compression sleeves. I use a lot of those at work. Great stuff! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Sounds like a workable idea for me. > I have a Lowes fairly close and will look up those Nicopres Sleves. From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 21 08:52:41 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:52:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <6f6025160712210124o3b0f9314w601cf081bcc0c088@mail.gmail.com><003801c843dc$17e29310$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <6f6025160712210651m40e9ac9ek4c8087f05275f1f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009a01c843f1$e70409c0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> All right, I am wrong, it was a huntmaster twinn. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > On 21/12/2007, Skip Cleveland wrote: >> Small world. We are organizing our 50th. High school reunion which >> remindes >> me that a good school chum and I rode to school every morning with each >> other, and he had a new Ariel Red Hunter and I had the lowley Cushman >> Eagle. >> Skip >> > > Lovely bike, 350cc, swinging arm frame and full-width hubs, loped > along with no effort at all. > > TYE 248 was the registration number, never forget that! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: > 12/20/2007 2:14 PM > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Dec 21 09:00:19 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:00:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: References: <20071221.100806.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <476BF123.6010805@imc-group.com> Arnie Fero wrote: > excellent section on how to select cable based on what you need it to > do. I use a lot of those at work. Great stuff! > Arnie, Great to hear you still have your mojo going, but if you are still tying up those Westinghouse hotties with steel cable dude, you need to lighten up a little. Surf this website for softer alternate materials. Glad to help :-) Curt From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 21 10:21:51 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:21:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <476BF123.6010805@imc-group.com> References: <20071221.100806.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> <476BF123.6010805@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hmmmmmm, _someone's_ been doing their Christmas-eve playtime homework. Missy should be pleased. 8->>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Curt wrote: > Great to hear you still have your mojo going, but if you are still tying > up those Westinghouse hotties with steel cable dude, you need to lighten > up a little. Surf this website for softer alternate materials. > > Glad to help :-) From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Dec 21 11:33:12 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:33:12 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! References: <9F199B47-0CEF-46E8-827A-B2F1DEF11431@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <001b01c84408$53d90da0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Rob thanks for the info found that useful and interesting in a practical motorist mag i came across a similar article that mentioned fraying the end of the cable into a ball shape to fit inside the metal lug instead of babbit they used solder to hold it in place.brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! > On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:15 AM, maytagtwin at aol.com wrote: > > > > then tip them a > > little and use a boring bar to cut the internal taper. > > > That's quite insightful, Ron. I'll try to describe the shackle > arrangement used on elevators for many years -- an application that > must have 100% reliability. Perhaps it will help you in your design. > > The "socket" of the shackle is a taper, as you described. The big end > is a more than twice the diameter of the wire rope. The wire rope is > threaded through the shackle, then the individual lays of the cable > unwound so they "fray" out in a cone shape. Each lay is then turned > back in on itself, into the middle of the rope. This is called a > "rosette." > > Each loop of the rosette must be exactly like all the others and the > length appropriate to match the shackle. When all the lays are done, > the rope is pulled back into the shackle. Being more than twice the > diameter as it was originally, the rope will not pull through the > shackle. > > At this point, the rope/shackle will hold a load, but it will need to > remain in service for many years and measures must be taken to assure > than nothing shifts from it's current configuration. While inverted, > babbitt is poured into the shackle to lock the rope in place. The > babbitt is just to hold it all together; it does not carry a load. > > Have a Merry Christmas, > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 12/20/2007 2:14 PM > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 21 12:35:49 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:35:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221220727.00bb6790@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 21/12/2007, you wrote: >From: jlb94 at juno.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Hello Joe, > Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks >like lead >solder) will work if the cable is stainless. >= = = = = = >Thanks Rupert, >I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. >I'll need to do more experimenting. >I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple >cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. Hi Guys, Been away from the computer a bit lately so I've missed most of this thread but here's my "tuppence ha'penny" worth. My first means of transport was a 4th hand Lambretta scooter - most of the cables (in fact most of the scooter) were "stuffed". In those days I had no money (nothings changed), no tools and not much else. The only thing I did have was an overwhelming desire to visit my girlfriend (50 miles away) every weekend !! In a pinch the brass pin from an old electric "plug" (the bit with a screw in that grips the electric wire) makes a good (if temporary) cable end stop. It does not last very long if you are rough with the cable control but is also great for getting the final adjustment made. If I had the ability and tools in those days I would have put one on, adjusted it and then soldered it to the cable. As it turned out I could only cut it to size with a hacksaw and file it to a shape that fitted (did you know that you can use a hacksaw to file with? It's possible if you have enough of the above mentioned "overwhelming desire" :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Dec 21 10:44:01 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:44:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! Message-ID: <20071221.153252.920.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Skip. After that cable broke, I bought a "Mouse Trap" setup and put it on my 1950. That made the clutch real easy to engage. Plus I liked the way it looked. My 1984 is rather stiff. I know what you mean about squeezing blood from a stone. I don't know what they did but, the new ones are real easy to engage. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." I had put a truckster clutch on my Eagle which made me have a suicide clutch, no more automatic clutch. I put a hand clutch on and used some sort of HD K model cable, that worked. I had to then remove the foot boards and use some more HD parts and Bates foot pegs to facilitate a foot shift. I can now squeze blood from a stone with my left hand. Solid clutch lugged the engine but sounded beautiful, broke the crank. Skip From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 21 12:44:44 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:44:44 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221224211.00bb8070@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 21/12/2007, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:57:28 +1100 >From: "Cam grundy" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho > > >I say to all, Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year, keep it safe, drink as much >as you need, without under doing it. Cam and Edwina. Hi Cam, I appreciate your sentiments - you could almost be South African :-) Have a really good Christmas Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 21 12:49:15 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:49:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Back....OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221224546.00bb8250@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 21/12/2007, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:33:40 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: [SEL] Back....OT > >I know some of you will be glad to hear that I am back! >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au Hi Peter, Welcome back. There was some "cabin fever" up north about 3 weeks ago and your name never cropped up - I did wonder what had happened to you :-) Have a great Christmas. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 21 13:22:33 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:22:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221220727.00bb6790@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <004301c84417$9a8b34d0$118becdc@Edd> You lost me Jerry.What the heck could make you want to visit your girl friend that badly every weekend??? EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 7:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends > At 07:00 PM 21/12/2007, you wrote: >>From: jlb94 at juno.com >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Hello Joe, >> Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks >>like lead >>solder) will work if the cable is stainless. >>= = = = = = >>Thanks Rupert, >>I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. >>I'll need to do more experimenting. >>I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple >>cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. > > Hi Guys, > Been away from the computer a bit lately so I've missed most of > this thread but here's my "tuppence ha'penny" worth. > My first means of transport was a 4th hand Lambretta scooter - > most of the cables (in fact most of the scooter) were "stuffed". In those > days I had no money (nothings changed), no tools and not much else. The > only thing I did have was an overwhelming desire to visit my girlfriend > (50 > miles away) every weekend !! > In a pinch the brass pin from an old electric "plug" (the bit with > a screw in that grips the electric wire) makes a good (if temporary) cable > end stop. It does not last very long if you are rough with the cable > control but is also great for getting the final adjustment made. If I had > the ability and tools in those days I would have put one on, adjusted it > and then soldered it to the cable. As it turned out I could only cut it to > size with a hacksaw and file it to a shape that fitted (did you know that > you can use a hacksaw to file with? It's possible if you have enough of > the > above mentioned "overwhelming desire" :-) > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: > 20/12/2007 02:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 21 13:32:04 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:32:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ho Ho Ho References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221224211.00bb8070@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001001c84418$ee6e2980$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> May you never eat on an empty stomach ! Prost ! Chuck From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Dec 21 13:44:21 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:44:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends.....OT References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221220727.00bb6790@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <002b01c8441a$a9165270$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Hi Jerry ,I spent a few weeks in Tasmania,sorry i missed that '' Incident'',I'll try and find it on the archives.Wish I still had that Lambretta ,I had the open engine model,125cc .My latest is a 1923 Raleigh ,250 SV complete with Carbide lamp ,original. BTW my two sons who have just about been everywhere surfing are planing their next trip to SA.They have heard about your Great Whites ,we have them here too so they have bought the latest electronic repeller.Have a good Xmas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 4:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends > At 07:00 PM 21/12/2007, you wrote: >>From: jlb94 at juno.com >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!! >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Hello Joe, >> Building a ball using silver solder (not the stuff that looks >>like lead >>solder) will work if the cable is stainless. >>= = = = = = >>Thanks Rupert, >>I don't have any Silver Solder but I can probably get some. >>I'll need to do more experimenting. >>I can't do much machining but, I just might try to get a couple >>cable clamps that "squeeze" on the cable and make that work. > > Hi Guys, > Been away from the computer a bit lately so I've missed most of > this thread but here's my "tuppence ha'penny" worth. > My first means of transport was a 4th hand Lambretta scooter - > most of the cables (in fact most of the scooter) were "stuffed". In those > days I had no money (nothings changed), no tools and not much else. The > only thing I did have was an overwhelming desire to visit my girlfriend > (50 > miles away) every weekend !! > In a pinch the brass pin from an old electric "plug" (the bit with > a screw in that grips the electric wire) makes a good (if temporary) cable > end stop. It does not last very long if you are rough with the cable > control but is also great for getting the final adjustment made. If I had > the ability and tools in those days I would have put one on, adjusted it > and then soldered it to the cable. As it turned out I could only cut it to > size with a hacksaw and file it to a shape that fitted (did you know that > you can use a hacksaw to file with? It's possible if you have enough of > the > above mentioned "overwhelming desire" :-) > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: > 20/12/2007 02:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Dec 21 13:45:07 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:45:07 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Back....OT References: <20071221.100806.872.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003101c8441a$c49e0d30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Pip and have a good Xmas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Back....OT > Good to have you back Pete. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." > > On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:33:40 +0800 "peter ogborne" > writes: >> I know some of you will be glad to hear that I am back! >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 21 15:50:49 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:50:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!! In-Reply-To: <20071221.153252.920.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20071221.153252.920.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <107E2F8A-AE6B-4DF3-BA1F-C35672365FF8@alltel.net> > My 1984 is rather stiff. I know what you mean about squeezing blood > from > a stone. > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hey Joe, This is a FAMILY oriented list. Please keep that in mind in the future! Dave From falcon at telenet.net Fri Dec 21 16:04:53 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:04:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Company with GREAT customer service. Message-ID: <476C54A5.4040003@telenet.net> For anyone who is looking for farm or related items I heartily recommend Farmtek. They carry a lot of things for use on the farm, including just about any style and size of Clearspan storage building you can think up. I had a problem with one of the zippers on my sheds door (namely I wasn't paying attention and snagged it, which tore it apart) I decided to call and see what the price was on a replacement end panel. The young lady (Megan) I spoke with not only took the order but said that she could give me a 15% discount on the price and would call back if there was a problem because she didn't know if they needed to make one or if they had one on hand. I said fine figuring I wouldn't talk to her again. This was on the 19th around 12:30. At about 5:00 Megan called back and told me that they had one and that it was being shipped at the time. I looked at the tracking info and saw that it was picked up at 5:00 by UPS. Now knowing about how UPS sometimes is I figured I might see it by the new year. Got another surprise when it showed up this morning at 10:00. Less than 3 days from time of order to delivery! So I looked at the delivery option on the tag. It was sent UPS Second Day delivery. Oh and the delivery charge--- FREE. Not many companies I deal with jump out in the customer service area. But these folks have always been well above norm. -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Dec 21 16:10:38 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:10:38 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Back....OT References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071221224546.00bb8250@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <004101c8442f$1518aef0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter always good to hear from you hows your bike projects going brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Back....OT > At 07:00 PM 21/12/2007, you wrote: > >Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:33:40 +0800 > >From: "peter ogborne" > >Subject: [SEL] Back....OT > > > >I know some of you will be glad to hear that I am back! > >Peter Ogborne > >Little Grove ,Albany > >West Australia > >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > Hi Peter, > Welcome back. There was some "cabin fever" up north about 3 weeks > ago and your name never cropped up - I did wonder what had happened to you :-) > Have a great Christmas. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 12/21/2007 1:17 PM > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 22 11:10:28 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:10:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 45, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071222210858.00bb8ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 22/12/2007, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:22:33 +1100 >From: "Edd Payne" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >You lost me Jerry.What the heck could make you want to visit your girl >friend that badly every weekend??? >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia Hi Edd, She had a great looking sister :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 22 11:19:12 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:19:12 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 45, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071222224600.SM00956@Laptop.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 22/12/2007, you wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:44:21 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends.....OT > >Hi Jerry ,I spent a few weeks in Tasmania, > >BTW my two sons who have just about been everywhere surfing are planing >their next trip to SA.They have heard about your Great Whites ,we have them >here too so they have bought the latest electronic repeller.Have a good Xmas Hi Peter, Not so much about the Great Whites - someone will think you're being rascist!! But seriously, they're the only whites who still rule around here - even if it's only around the beaches :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Dec 23 00:53:45 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:53:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071223105334.00bbfa70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Any news on the Charity Auction yet? Wishing you all a Happy Christmas, and may the New Year bring you lots more nice rusty old things. Jerry Evans in South Africa -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Dec 23 01:07:18 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:07:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas Message-ID: <20071223090725.OSLO26453.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I have been offline for a week or so, but I am back again :) I would just like to wish everyone in the engine community, here on the web, a very Merry Christmas. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From alanwh at iinet.net.au Sun Dec 23 02:17:03 2007 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan ) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:17:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <20071223090725.OSLO26453.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6eq1ke$4ccmeb@outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out4.iinet.net.au> Merry Christmas I have been offline for a week or so, but I am back again :) I would just like to wish everyone in the engine community, here on the web, a very Merry Christmas. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html A very merry Christmas to all from Ruth and Alan Wheaton Wagga Wagga From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 23 02:32:36 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:32:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas References: <6eq1ke$4ccmeb@outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out4.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <000e01c8454f$22fba830$0601a8c0@altech> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan " To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas > > Merry Christmas > > I have been offline for a week or so, but I am back again :) > > I would just like to wish everyone in the engine community, here on the > web, > a very Merry Christmas. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > A very merry Christmas to all from Ruth and Alan Wheaton > > Wagga Wagga > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 23 02:46:21 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:46:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <001b01c84551$0ec247a0$0601a8c0@altech> A Merry Christmas from Kaye & I and also the 4 grand kids. We cut down a small pine today and the kids decorated it and placed the presents around the bottom. The eldest grand daughter, Morgan, had her Villiers running today and wants me to restore it this coming year. I have done the pump, the engine is next. Pics tomorrow. May all your wishes come true and good health follow you through 2008 and beyond. Peter & Kaye, Oz From shop at cccomm.net Sun Dec 23 07:07:54 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:07:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071223105334.00bbfa70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <018601c84575$994debd0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> It's begun. I listed something yesterday. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction > Hi All, > Any news on the Charity Auction yet? > > Wishing you all a Happy Christmas, > and may the New Year bring you lots more nice rusty old things. > Jerry Evans in South Africa > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: > 20/12/2007 02:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Sun Dec 23 07:31:35 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:31:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <018601c84575$994debd0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <658441.66400.qm@web82013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There are 10 items listes so far...WITH THE FRST ONE ENDING TOMORROW 12/24. Go to: http://www.oldironauction.com/ The most recent item is an amazing item... The Rotigel Flatulence Silencer Steve --- Dave Ernst wrote: > It's begun. I listed something yesterday. > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Evans" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:53 AM > Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction > > > > Hi All, > > Any news on the Charity Auction yet? > > > > Wishing you all a Happy Christmas, > > and may the New Year bring you lots more nice rusty old things. > > Jerry Evans in South Africa > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: > > 20/12/2007 02:14 PM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Dec 23 08:03:12 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:03:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life happens!!/ cable ends Message-ID: <20071223.112421.1380.5.jlb94@juno.com> In a pinch the brass pin from an old electric "plug" = = = = = = = Hi Jerry, Excellent !!! You never know when someone will come up with a new (or old) way to do a job. I'd never thought of using parts from a plug !!! It reminds me of the Old Erector Set. Had those "U" shaped things with a screw in them. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." From shop at cccomm.net Sun Dec 23 09:07:51 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:07:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction References: <658441.66400.qm@web82013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <023901c84586$59c3fd90$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Where did the blue handled fence pliers go????????????? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction > There are 10 items listes so far...WITH THE FRST ONE ENDING TOMORROW > 12/24. > > Go to: http://www.oldironauction.com/ > > The most recent item is an amazing item... The Rotigel Flatulence Silencer > > Steve > --- Dave Ernst wrote: > >> It's begun. I listed something yesterday. >> >> Dave >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Evans" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:53 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction >> >> >> > Hi All, >> > Any news on the Charity Auction yet? >> > >> > Wishing you all a Happy Christmas, >> > and may the New Year bring you lots more nice rusty old things. >> > Jerry Evans in South Africa >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: >> > 20/12/2007 02:14 PM >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Dec 23 11:02:47 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:02:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Just the Thing... In-Reply-To: <1198433017.476ea2f9ca67b@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1198433017.476ea2f9ca67b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <7E656533-E305-4C51-BBFF-4B5869741205@rustyiron.com> On Dec 23, 2007, at 10:03 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > for those of you who are convinced that home-brew hydrogen is JUST > what you need > to get the foot of The Man off the neck of the little guy. Yes, > we're talkin' > telling BIG OIL to take a hike!! All you need is water! Hook this > lil' puppy > up to your stationary engine and ol' Mister Oil can just whistle for > YOUR > money. You're going with hydrogen!! > > Enjoy!! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=270197839416 > > Item name: Working Hydrogen / HHO Generator - Electrolysis Chamber > Current price: AU $449.99 > Buy It Now price: AU $1,250.00 > End time: Dec-30-07 01:00:00 PST Hey Arnie, Do you know how this is possible? I'm baffled, but I think a clue can be found here: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2007/12/19/academic_slums Rob From johnculp at btes.tv Sun Dec 23 11:44:43 2007 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:44:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <20071223090725.OSLO26453.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071223090725.OSLO26453.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <0f3abde4c74f5a2e2e5c5f60bf9dacf8@btes.tv> Merry Christmas and a happy new year to all of you, and your families! :-D John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Dec 23 13:39:24 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:39:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <0f3abde4c74f5a2e2e5c5f60bf9dacf8@btes.tv> Message-ID: Same to 'ya Dr. John! Take care - Elden Port St. Joe, FL, USofA (In the heart of the Redneck Riviera) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 01:45 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Merry Christmas > > > Merry Christmas and a happy new year to all of > you, and your families! > :-D > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Sun Dec 23 12:51:47 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:51:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wishing you a special Christmas Message-ID: <000601c845a5$aa5385e0$fefa91a0$@net.au> I just want to wish you all a very special Christmas Blessing. We will soon be catching a plane to Adelaide to spend Christmas with our Children and grandchildren. We are gathering from right across Australia. It will be good to share with them. Have a great day and a safe holiday season Steve Matthew 1:23 (MsgB) Watch for this-a virgin will get pregnant and bear a son; They will name him Emmanuel (Hebrew for "God is with us"). Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 23 13:05:54 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:05:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Just the Thing... In-Reply-To: <7E656533-E305-4C51-BBFF-4B5869741205@rustyiron.com> References: <1198433017.476ea2f9ca67b@webmail.city-net.com> <7E656533-E305-4C51-BBFF-4B5869741205@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1198443954.476ecdb2dd00e@webmail.city-net.com> Hmmmmm, ya think...? Quoting Rob Skinner : > On Dec 23, 2007, at 10:03 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > for those of you who are convinced that home-brew hydrogen is JUST > > what you need to get the foot of The Man off the neck of the little guy. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=270197839416 > > Hey Arnie, > Do you know how this is possible? I'm baffled, but I think a clue can > be found here: > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2007/12/19/academic_slums From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Dec 23 16:10:49 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:10:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed Message-ID: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> I received these pictures this afternoon of a small, (50 lbs.), water cooled engine, and the new owner is after any information he can find. You can contact him at: FLASKS at ZOOMINTERNET.NET http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/neiman/ Take care. Ken Christison Conway, NC www.oldiron-nut.com www.kenskritters.co From milo at hughes.net Sun Dec 23 17:53:22 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:53:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed In-Reply-To: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Piggy backing here, Ken, I owe you an apology. Several years ago ~5-6? I can't even remember. You graciously donated web space to help me identify an old engine. The members of the SEL helped to accomplish that. The engine in question was originally called a "Busy Bee" (such was the name on the mounting skids). http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/holroyd/ Turned out to be a Gilson, Johnny On The Spot. I wanted to let you know that it was identified, and need not consume valuable server space. Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat grinder". Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of 10,800lbs of antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:11 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed > >I received these pictures this afternoon of a small, (50 lbs.), water >cooled >engine, and the new owner is after any information he can find. You can >contact him at: FLASKS at ZOOMINTERNET.NET >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/neiman/ > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >www.oldiron-nut.com >www.kenskritters.co > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 >2:02 PM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM From glenn.karch at att.net Sun Dec 23 18:29:26 2007 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:29:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed Message-ID: <833874.53094.qm@web83728.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Milo, Do I detect an IHC 10-20 in that road grader? Glenn ----- Original Message ---- From: Milo To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:53:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed Piggy backing here, Ken, I owe you an apology. Several years ago ~5-6? I can't even remember. You graciously donated web space to help me identify an old engine. The members of the SEL helped to accomplish that. The engine in question was originally called a "Busy Bee" (such was the name on the mounting skids). http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/holroyd/ Turned out to be a Gilson, Johnny On The Spot. I wanted to let you know that it was identified, and need not consume valuable server space. Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat grinder". Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of 10,800lbs of antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:11 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed > >I received these pictures this afternoon of a small, (50 lbs.), water >cooled >engine, and the new owner is after any information he can find. You can >contact him at: FLASKS at ZOOMINTERNET.NET >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/neiman/ > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >www.oldiron-nut.com >www.kenskritters.co > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 >2:02 PM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From milo at hughes.net Sun Dec 23 19:02:31 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:02:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed In-Reply-To: <833874.53094.qm@web83728.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <833874.53094.qm@web83728.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c845d9$758db4a0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Why..... yes, you do! I have some friends in Wisconsin looking for parts. Maybe even a whole tractor. The engine is frozen on this one. Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Karch >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 9:29 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed > >Milo, > >Do I detect an IHC 10-20 in that road grader? > >Glenn > > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Milo >To: The SEL email discussion list >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:53:22 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed > >Piggy backing here, > >Ken, I owe you an apology. Several years ago ~5-6? I can't even remember. >You graciously donated web space to help me identify an old engine. > >The members of the SEL helped to accomplish that. The engine in question >was >originally called a "Busy Bee" (such was the name on the mounting skids). >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/holroyd/ > >Turned out to be a Gilson, Johnny On The Spot. I wanted to let you know >that >it was identified, and need not consume valuable server space. > >Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat grinder". >Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of 10,800lbs of >antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. >http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ > >Peace >Milo > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >>bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison >>Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:11 PM >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed >> >>I received these pictures this afternoon of a small, (50 lbs.), water >>cooled >>engine, and the new owner is after any information he can find. You can >>contact him at: FLASKS at ZOOMINTERNET.NET >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/neiman/ >> >>Take care. >> >>Ken Christison >>Conway, NC >>www.oldiron-nut.com >>www.kenskritters.co >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: >12/22/2007 >>2:02 PM >> > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 >2:02 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 >2:02 PM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 23 20:14:29 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:14:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <023901c84586$59c3fd90$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <919770.74309.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the link. I couldn't find the auction site. I just placed the pliers up for sale. Alan Bowen Dave Ernst wrote: Where did the blue handled fence pliers go????????????? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction > There are 10 items listes so far...WITH THE FRST ONE ENDING TOMORROW > 12/24. > > Go to: http://www.oldironauction.com/ > > The most recent item is an amazing item... The Rotigel Flatulence Silencer > > Steve > --- Dave Ernst wrote: > >> It's begun. I listed something yesterday. >> >> Dave >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Evans" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:53 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction >> >> >> > Hi All, >> > Any news on the Charity Auction yet? >> > >> > Wishing you all a Happy Christmas, >> > and may the New Year bring you lots more nice rusty old things. >> > Jerry Evans in South Africa >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: >> > 20/12/2007 02:14 PM >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 23 20:27:02 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:27:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed In-Reply-To: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <476F3516.6000103@scrtc.com> Ken, The engine is a Carlisle Finch. Looks like it may have had a few modifications. I can see the exhaust box is missing and a few other parts. It would be a nice little winter project to get going. It appears to have a belt drive governor on it and I don't remember seeing a C/F set up this way. May have been an owner modification. The best thing he has is the little generator. There's several Carlisle Finch engines out there, not nearly as many of the generators though. In their day I think a person could buy the Carlisle Finch as a complete engine or could buy castings and build it yourself. I'm sure there are some SEL folks out there that are much more versed in them than I and I hope they chime in to add to or correct any of my statements. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Ken Christison wrote: >I received these pictures this afternoon of a small, (50 lbs.), water >cooled >engine, and the new owner is after any information he can find. You can >contact him at: FLASKS at ZOOMINTERNET.NET >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/neiman/ > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >www.oldiron-nut.com >www.kenskritters.co > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sun Dec 23 21:09:32 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:09:32 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas References: <001b01c84551$0ec247a0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <008f01c845eb$2be86220$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter look forward to the villier engine pics is it the washing machine type as i have one of those that needs restoring so i might get some advice i also just picked up a ransome mower powered by a villier engine quite cool it has a crank handle to fire it up a really nice mower looks like a proper greens mower has the serrated type rollers and the extra blades for a better cut.Will send some pics brentnz.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas > A Merry Christmas from Kaye & I and also the 4 grand kids. > We cut down a small pine today and the kids decorated it and placed the > presents around the bottom. > > The eldest grand daughter, Morgan, had her Villiers running today and wants > me to restore it this coming year. I have done the pump, the engine is next. > Pics tomorrow. > > May all your wishes come true and good health follow you through 2008 and > beyond. > > Peter & Kaye, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Dec 24 03:11:41 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:11:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas All In-Reply-To: <008f01c845eb$2be86220$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <001b01c84551$0ec247a0$0601a8c0@altech> <008f01c845eb$2be86220$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <3C6D8C3DC6FB4AC19CE1C4FDD2431556@KerryPC> To all our friend in the engine world have a safe and merry Christmas, Christmas eve here and nearly time for bed after a big day. Our family is all home this year the first for three years and we hope everyone's sees or hears from their family during this festive time. Been hectic here now for several months and have not contacted a lot of people I said I would. Update on the daughter in law, after the stroke she had just after having her first (and only) baby nearly 5 months ago the doctors believed they could now operate on fixing two holes in her heart, this they did three weeks ago, walking the next day and home after four days to do nothing at all for months. Sunday before last at our place she lost all pulse and was urgently air lifted to Sydney where she had a cardiac arrest as she was undergoing emergency operation to remove 600mm of fluid from around her heart, this prevented the heart from pumping, she came through ok thanks to the 10 people involved in the operation, to be released 4 days later, she is very tied all the time but hopefully she will get her strength back to hold her daughter again soon. Our son as been fantastic and looked after the baby while going to Sydney each day Donna was in Hospital. Really makes you know the real thing about family all the best to you all and yours Kerry & Ruth Lithgow NSW Oz From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Dec 24 03:53:36 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:53:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> <476F3516.6000103@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002301c84623$9e3b8680$726f4b47@mikecomp> Tommy is correct, this is a Carlisle & Finch. They are almost always 1/4 horsepower. I have one and the key features are identical, although it has been modified. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed > Ken, > The engine is a Carlisle Finch. Looks like it may have had a few > modifications. I can see the exhaust box is missing and a few other > parts. It would be a nice little winter project to get going. It > appears to have a belt drive governor on it and I don't remember seeing > a C/F set up this way. May have been an owner modification. The best > thing he has is the little generator. There's several Carlisle Finch > engines out there, not nearly as many of the generators though. In > their day I think a person could buy the Carlisle Finch as a complete > engine or could buy castings and build it yourself. I'm sure there are > some SEL folks out there that are much more versed in them than I and I > hope they chime in to add to or correct any of my statements. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Ken Christison wrote: > >>I received these pictures this afternoon of a small, (50 lbs.), water >>cooled >>engine, and the new owner is after any information he can find. You can >>contact him at: FLASKS at ZOOMINTERNET.NET >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/neiman/ >> >>Take care. >> >>Ken Christison >>Conway, NC >>www.oldiron-nut.com >>www.kenskritters.co >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Dec 24 04:10:38 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:10:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Message-ID: <122420071210.27164.476FA1BE0003259600006A1C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi All, Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super cast iron welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had actually gotten some from some where and can't remember where (suffering from OMS). Tried to goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help getting some so hope some one remembers better then me. thank you in advance. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year Curt Andree From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Dec 24 04:53:52 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:53:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod References: <122420071210.27164.476FA1BE0003259600006A1C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <004401c8462c$09e55930$6b83fb40@HP28276676518> Curt, Is it Weld Mold 706 you are after? I just got several hits when I googled it. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod > Hi All, > Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super cast iron > welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had actually gotten > some > from some where and can't remember where (suffering from OMS). Tried to > goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help getting some so > hope > some one remembers better then me. > thank you in advance. > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.7/1194 - Release Date: > 12/23/2007 5:27 PM > > From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 24 05:04:37 2007 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] HELLO LIST Message-ID: <002901c8462d$8a399000$8501a8c0@LapTop> MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR TOO ALL ARTHUR & DEANA SOUTHWELL Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Mon Dec 24 05:16:40 2007 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:16:40 EST Subject: [SEL] : Merry Christmas Message-ID: may you al have the happiest of Christmas's Peter & Marie Woodmore. peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name Woadmere From peter at loud-n-clear.net Mon Dec 24 05:33:15 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:33:15 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod In-Reply-To: <122420071210.27164.476FA1BE0003259600006A1C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <122420071210.27164.476FA1BE0003259600006A1C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <01e401c84631$89a9fd60$8335c53e@doc> Hi Curt I think any high-nickel rod would be good for cast iron - sometimes called "eutectic" rods. Merry Christmas to one and all. All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: 24 December 2007 12:11 > To: SEL Lists > Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod > > Hi All, > Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super > cast iron > welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had > actually gotten some > from some where and can't remember where (suffering from > OMS). Tried to > goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help > getting some so hope > some one remembers better then me. > thank you in advance. > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Dec 24 05:33:48 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:33:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] merry christmas Message-ID: <000701c84631$9e8b72e0$118becdc@Edd> Everyone have a safe enjoyable and happy Christmas. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 24 06:39:54 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:39:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Seasons Greetings Message-ID: <6f6025160712240639n5502c3f6t75d541eeb573327a@mail.gmail.com> Many thanks to everyone for a great year of mostly on-topic chat and advice. Hope you all have a Great Xmas. Let us all look forward to 2008 and a Happy & Prosperous New Year. See you at Portland in August... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Dec 24 07:54:19 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:54:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas All In-Reply-To: <3C6D8C3DC6FB4AC19CE1C4FDD2431556@KerryPC> Message-ID: Kerry & Ruth: I hope your daughter gets well soon. She had a close call there. Merry Christmas! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kerry > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 05:12 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL > email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas All > > ..............snip.......................... > > Been hectic here now for several months and have > not contacted a lot of > people I said I would. > > Update on the daughter in law, after the stroke > she had just after having > her first (and only) baby nearly 5 months ago ...........................................snip............................... > > Really makes you know the real thing about family > > all the best to you all and yours > > Kerry & Ruth > > Lithgow NSW Oz From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 24 07:06:11 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:06:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] antique road grader In-Reply-To: <000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> <000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <1198508771.476fcae3820d7@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Milo, Now THAT'S the way to go about retirement; BIGGER toys!! 8-)) Well done!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Milo : > Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat grinder". > Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of 10,800lbs of > antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. > http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 24 08:45:37 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:45:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod In-Reply-To: <122420071210.27164.476FA1BE0003259600006A1C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <122420071210.27164.476FA1BE0003259600006A1C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <959677C5-1B76-45EA-9FC2-21DE189F008F@alltel.net> Here you go Curt. See: http://products.esabna.com/EN/home/ filler_metals_catalog/q/display_id.id4367f2a953a532.98581002 -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 24, 2007, at 7:10 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi All, > Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super cast > iron > welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had actually > gotten some > from some where and can't remember where (suffering from OMS). > Tried to > goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help getting > some so hope > some one remembers better then me. > thank you in advance. > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Dec 24 10:06:22 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 07:06:22 +1300 Subject: [SEL] antique road grader References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> <000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <1198508771.476fcae3820d7@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <003901c84657$b1616bb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Milo nice road grader looks to be a good candidate for restoration looks in sound tidy order will be good to get it running again. brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > Hiya Milo, > > Now THAT'S the way to go about retirement; BIGGER toys!! 8-)) > Well done!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Milo : > > > Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat grinder". > > Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of 10,800lbs of > > antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. > > http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Dec 24 11:05:28 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:05:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Message-ID: <122420071905.17017.477002F800072EEE00004279219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Dave will give them a shout after holidays. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: David Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:49:24 +0000 > Here you go Curt. See: http://products.esabna.com/EN/home/ > filler_metals_catalog/q/display_id.id4367f2a953a532.98581002 > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Dec 24, 2007, at 7:10 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > Hi All, > > Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super cast > > iron > > welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had actually > > gotten some > > from some where and can't remember where (suffering from OMS). > > Tried to > > goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help getting > > some so hope > > some one remembers better then me. > > thank you in advance. > > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Dec 24 11:07:51 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:07:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Message-ID: <122420071907.18170.4770038700090551000046FA219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Peter but this Poly Mold rod is more forgiving then nickel rod. I had used all that I had bought and once you ve welded with it you would not go back to the nickel stuff. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Peter Scales" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:38:24 +0000 > Hi Curt > > I think any high-nickel rod would be good for cast iron - sometimes called > "eutectic" rods. > > Merry Christmas to one and all. > > All the best > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > cgandree at mchsi.com > > Sent: 24 December 2007 12:11 > > To: SEL Lists > > Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod > > > > Hi All, > > Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super > > cast iron > > welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had > > actually gotten some > > from some where and can't remember where (suffering from > > OMS). Tried to > > goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help > > getting some so hope > > some one remembers better then me. > > thank you in advance. > > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From DOUBLE-D-66 at PRODIGY.NET Mon Dec 24 11:19:35 2007 From: DOUBLE-D-66 at PRODIGY.NET (DOUBLE-D-66 at PRODIGY.NET) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:19:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas All Message-ID: Merry Christmas to all from the Davis family From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Dec 24 11:21:31 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:21:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Message-ID: <122420071921.27716.477006BB000A3FAE00006C44219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Gary, YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS you got it right and according to a post left on goggle by one of past deceased SEL members (back in 2001) he had given me the contact in the USA and now I will beable to reorder some. It is properly called Polyweld 700. This is the best cast iron welding rod made and can really make cast iron repairs an easier job with little or no preheating nor cracking. I must boast and say that I had repaired a full crack on the underside of my JD 1 1/2hp model E engine that actually went through both sides of the drain hole. It really saved my engine and I had used it several other times on cast iron repairs with very good results. Well worth the extra money the rods cost too. Many thanks and Merrry Christmas. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:11:51 +0000 > Curt, > Is it Weld Mold 706 you are after? I just got several hits when I googled > it. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL Lists" > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:10 AM > Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod > > > > Hi All, > > Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super cast iron > > welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had actually gotten > > some > > from some where and can't remember where (suffering from OMS). Tried to > > goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help getting some so > > hope > > some one remembers better then me. > > thank you in advance. > > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.7/1194 - Release Date: > > 12/23/2007 5:27 PM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Dec 24 11:22:10 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:22:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] merry christmas References: <000701c84631$9e8b72e0$118becdc@Edd> Message-ID: <002d01c84662$47e68c50$726f4b47@mikecomp> My very best to all of you around the world for a wonderful Christmas. Mike (the good cloistered oyster) Royster From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Dec 24 15:29:39 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:29:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] HELLO LIST In-Reply-To: <002901c8462d$8a399000$8501a8c0@LapTop> References: <002901c8462d$8a399000$8501a8c0@LapTop> Message-ID: <20071224203008.6CA2039C2C5@md5.pennswoods.net> At 08:04 AM 12/24/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Back at you Arthur Deana R Fink PA >MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR > >TOO ALL > >ARTHUR & DEANA SOUTHWELL > > >Arthur Southwell > >Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. > >asouth42 at embarqmail.com > > >http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html >http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee >http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 >http://oldengine.org/members/southwell > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: >12/22/2007 2:02 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Dec 24 14:01:29 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:01:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] It's Christmas ! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071224235248.00bc0c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys & Gals, There have been a lot of good wishes on the Lists in the last few days but I wanted mine to go out as the clock ticked over. (Local time that is). The New Zealanders are already celebrating, The Aussies as well ( They've probably been at it for a few days already - downing a vile brew called "Fosters" :-)) Us, and the Brits are just getting there and you Yanks will soon be here! To all my friends on the Oldengine list as well as the Atis List (SEL) I would like to thank you all for being such great people. I've made friends from all over the world on these lists and I'd like you to know that I appreciate each and every one of you very much. I've not belonged to many Internet lists but these 2 have been the greatest. Thanks all for the "camaraderie", the help you have given, the "flames", the praise and even the "cabin fever", I've loved every bit of it ! There are 2 special guys that I would like to mention. They are (in no order of preference) - Spencer Yost and Jim Dunmyer. A very special thanks to you two guys for providing the services that mean so much to us members. Without you two we'd all be limited to something like - with all the advertising and other crap that comes with it! Thank you for an alternative ! I'd like to wish each and every one of you, my friends, well over the Christmas period (and, if you are not a Christian, then I'll wish you well over "our" festive season - I'm not fussy"). Keep well, Jerry Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Dec 24 15:36:20 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:36:20 -0000 Subject: [SEL] merry christmas Message-ID: <002801c84685$cc12adb0$b6be6f58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guy's & Gals, I'd like to wish everyone on the list a very merry Christmas . from Craig in Scotland From milo at hughes.net Mon Dec 24 18:18:04 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:18:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] antique road grader In-Reply-To: <1198508771.476fcae3820d7@webmail.city-net.com> References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com><000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <1198508771.476fcae3820d7@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000701c8469c$65e09a40$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Thanks Arnie. I'm looking forward to meeting fellow SEL'ers. And to restoring this iron to it's fullest capabilities. Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com >Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 10:06 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > >Hiya Milo, > >Now THAT'S the way to go about retirement; BIGGER toys!! 8-)) >Well done!! > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Milo : > >> Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat grinder". >> Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of 10,800lbs >of >> antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. >> http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 >11:19 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 11:19 AM From milo at hughes.net Mon Dec 24 18:22:02 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:22:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] antique road grader In-Reply-To: <003901c84657$b1616bb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com><000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH><1198508771.476fcae3820d7@webmail.city-net.com> <003901c84657$b1616bb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <000801c8469c$f6725670$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Howdy Brent. Yes it is a good candidate for restoration. It's "rough" right now. (engine seized) but parts are available. Also missing the scarifier assy. If ya see one laying around, let me know. :-) Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of brent >Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 1:06 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > >Milo nice road grader looks to be a good candidate for restoration looks in >sound tidy order will be good to get it running again. brentnz > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 4:06 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > > >> Hiya Milo, >> >> Now THAT'S the way to go about retirement; BIGGER toys!! 8-)) >> Well done!! >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Milo : >> >> > Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat >grinder". >> > Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of >10,800lbs >of >> > antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. >> > http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: >12/22/2007 2:02 PM >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 >11:19 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 11:19 AM From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 24 20:18:30 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:18:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <01d801c846ad$3581ba80$210110ac@FAMILY> To each and every list member I want to wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and may God's richest blessings be with you all during the coming year. I am grateful for the friendship of each of you and want you to know that your presence in my life has made this year a much more joyful time for me. Thank you and God Bless and Keep you. Paul From driggars at wildblue.net Mon Dec 24 20:55:32 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:55:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <01d801c846ad$3581ba80$210110ac@FAMILY> References: <01d801c846ad$3581ba80$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <47708D44.7080702@wildblue.net> Paul Same back to you and as well as all the others on list Clint Paul Maples wrote: > To each and every list member I want to wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and may God's richest blessings be with you all during the coming year. I am grateful for the friendship of each of you and want you to know that your presence in my life has made this year a much more joyful time for me. Thank you and God Bless and Keep you. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From driggars at wildblue.net Mon Dec 24 21:11:40 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:11:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod In-Reply-To: <122420071921.27716.477006BB000A3FAE00006C44219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <122420071921.27716.477006BB000A3FAE00006C44219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4770910C.9080408@wildblue.net> Curt Any on line sources to get this nickel rod? Clint cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi Gary, > YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS you got it right and according to a post left on goggle by > one of past deceased SEL members (back in 2001) he had given me the contact in > the USA and now I will beable to reorder some. It is properly called Polyweld > 700. This is the best cast iron welding rod made and can really make cast > iron repairs an easier job with little or no preheating nor cracking. I must > boast and say that I had repaired a full crack on the underside of my JD 1 > 1/2hp model E engine that actually went through both sides of the drain hole. > It really saved my engine and I had used it several other times on cast iron > repairs with very good results. Well worth the extra money the rods cost too. > Many thanks and Merrry Christmas. > Curt Andree > > > ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- > From: "Gary Epps" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:11:51 +0000 > > >> Curt, >> Is it Weld Mold 706 you are after? I just got several hits when I googled >> it. >> >> Gary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "SEL Lists" >> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:10 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Welding rod >> >> >> >>> Hi All, >>> Several years ago there was a discussion on some really super cast iron >>> welding rod called Poly Mold Weld (or something). I had actually gotten >>> some >>> from some where and can't remember where (suffering from OMS). Tried to >>> goggle it but nothing came up. Sure could use some help getting some so >>> hope >>> some one remembers better then me. >>> thank you in advance. >>> Merry Christmas & Happy New Year >>> Curt Andree >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.7/1194 - Release Date: >>> 12/23/2007 5:27 PM >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From yostsw at atis.net Mon Dec 24 21:55:38 2007 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:55:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas! In-Reply-To: <003201c846a1$ebcae200$6501a8c0@reg96197eb8820> References: <003201c846a1$ebcae200$6501a8c0@reg96197eb8820> Message-ID: <47709B5A.4080609@atis.net> A very Merry Christmas to everyone at ATIS. I think one of the lines from my favorite hymn/carol says it all: Darkness flies, all is bright. The season stands for the idea that indeed darkness flies, hope is renewed and that God is at hand and among us; real and not temporal. That which constricts us, the fear the paralyzes us, the sadness of horrible tragedies and missing loved ones; gossip and recrimination's and strong headwinds we encounter in our daily lives are all borne away on the wings of a new child borne in mean estate. This compels us to see the world half full instead of half empty and to rest our fears, suspicions and anger toward each other. Those that know me probably realize I am no great Christian, but when I hear that the host of heaven appeared to the shepherds proclaiming: "Be not afraid, for I bring you glad tidings of great joy", I take notice and find peace, if only for a night. May great joy follow you and yours this holiday season, Spencer Yost ATIS From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Mon Dec 24 22:15:16 2007 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:15:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <01d801c846ad$3581ba80$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20071225004850.00bfa4d0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 10:18 PM 12/24/2007 -0600, you wrote: >To each and every list member I want to wish you and your family a very >Merry Christmas and may God's richest blessings be with you all during the >coming year. I am grateful for the friendship of each of you and want you >to know that your presence in my life has made this year a much more >joyful time for me. Thank you and God Bless and Keep you. > >Paul Paul: Thank you for the very nice post. I want to thank you and all my ATIS friends for your support during my families tragic loss last year around this time of my son. We will never know 'why'. But the love and support of friends here at home and on line helped us make it. The support of the scholarship fund in my sons name by the charity auction was overwhelming. I was at a loss for words when I received the check and I still am. All I can say is "THANK YOU". Bid early and often in this years auction!!!!!!! Remember the reason for the season. Hug your loved ones!!!!!!! To all " MERRY CHRISTMAS". _Steve From billmil357 at aol.com Mon Dec 24 22:38:03 2007 From: billmil357 at aol.com (billmil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:38:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <01d801c846ad$3581ba80$210110ac@FAMILY> References: <01d801c846ad$3581ba80$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <8CA14D7D5C3D6EF-7B4-6F8@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> Bill Miller say's Merry Christmas to everyone! It's about 12:20am Christmas morning and I was going through Dad's email. Ya'll really mean a lot to Daddy and I know he wants me to send Christmas greetings. We spent most of the day Christmas eve with him and Mom and he was awake through most of the day, more so than usual. Dad ate a good lunch with us and even tried to smile for all the pictures. He's gotten to the point where he normally only wakes up for a short time for meals and to take his medicine, only talking very little, usually only one word answers. He's made it to Christmas which was the first goal he had set, the next one would be mid February?for the birth of his first great grandchild (Vickie and my first grand child) but we'll leave that in God's hands. Randy Miller? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Maples To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 8:18 pm Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas To each and every list member I want to wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and may God's richest blessings be with you all during the coming year. I am grateful for the friendship of each of you and want you to know that your presence in my life has made this year a much more joyful time for me. Thank you and God Bless and Keep you. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Dec 24 23:06:05 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:06:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object Message-ID: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All Can anyone identify this object please. I would say it is not a burner as there is no pressure pump. It looks like it boils something, but when you do the steam and water just leaks out of the top assembly like something is missing. One of you gurus must have seen one before. Here is the link http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm Regards Peter, Oz From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Dec 24 23:40:43 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:40:43 +1300 Subject: [SEL] antique road grader References: <380-220071212401049187@coastalnet.com> <000f01c845cf$cc3632f0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <1198508771.476fcae3820d7@webmail.city-net.com> <003901c84657$b1616bb0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <000801c8469c$f6725670$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <001101c846c9$74b244b0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Milo will be interested in methods to unseize the engine i have tackled some badly seized moters and gearboxs one flathead moter had the valves rust welded to the block amazingly after i had unseized it the bore was fine will need new rings and valves but motor is salvageable. The cast iron engines seem to cope pretty well considering the state they are often found in.I dont think an alloy engine would last the same in the same situation brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milo" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > Howdy Brent. > Yes it is a good candidate for restoration. > It's "rough" right now. (engine seized) but parts are available. > Also missing the scarifier assy. If ya see one laying around, let me know. > :-) > > Peace > Milo > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of brent > >Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 1:06 PM > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > > > >Milo nice road grader looks to be a good candidate for restoration looks in > >sound tidy order will be good to get it running again. brentnz > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 4:06 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] antique road grader > > > > > >> Hiya Milo, > >> > >> Now THAT'S the way to go about retirement; BIGGER toys!! 8-)) > >> Well done!! > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >> > >> Quoting Milo : > >> > >> > Sorry, I allowed myself to get caught up in "the corporate meat > >grinder". > >> > Anyway I am now retired, and anxiously awaiting the arrival of > >10,800lbs > >of > >> > antique road grader. Russell Motor Patrol #3. > >> > http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: > >12/22/2007 2:02 PM > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 > >11:19 AM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 > 11:19 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 11:19 AM > > From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Dec 24 23:42:20 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:42:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object In-Reply-To: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> If I'm reading the reflections, properly, the top of the tank is slightly dished. By placing a bit of gasoline in the dished part, then lighting it, the contents will become pressurized. If my surmise is correct, it does not need a pressure pump. I would think, however, the filler cap is missing. It appears as though it has been lost and a jury-rigged stopper has been inserted. In order for it to work properly, a proper cap should be provided. I have a backpacking stove that works in the manner described. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 11:06 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine.org Subject: Mystery object Hi All Can anyone identify this object please. I would say it is not a burner as there is no pressure pump. It looks like it boils something, but when you do the steam and water just leaks out of the top assembly like something is missing. One of you gurus must have seen one before. Here is the link http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm Regards Peter, Oz To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Dec 25 02:33:31 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:33:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> <004b01c846c9$f89a1f00$0201a8c0@DELL> Message-ID: <001101c846e1$9c4c6f60$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Roland & Orrin There is a handle on one side that is missing, but there are two threaded holes. Orrin, the centre section is not really dished enough to hold heating fluid, can anyone explain its operation, what is the tube coming out at right angles from the top section.? On the right hand photo, bottom left corner, that section has holes all around the outside and a small hole or jet in the middle. Yes, there would be a nice knurled brass filler cap in place of that wooden plug. Peter, Oz Here is the link http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm Roland Replied ................................. > Peter > I think its the remains of a Tilley heater. > Roland Orrin replied .............................. >If I'm reading the reflections, properly, the top of the tank is slightly >dished. By placing a bit of gasoline in the dished part, then lighting it, >the contents will become pressurized. If my surmise is correct, it does >not >need a pressure pump. I would think, however, the filler cap is missing. >It appears as though it >has been lost and a jury-rigged stopper has been inserted. In order for it >to work properly, a proper cap should be provided. Regards, Orrin From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Dec 25 02:35:34 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:35:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> <004b01c846c9$f89a1f00$0201a8c0@DELL> <001101c846e1$9c4c6f60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001501c846e1$e22105a0$0601a8c0@altech> Sorry, that should read right hand photo, bottom right corner object Peter > Hi Roland & Orrin > There is a handle on one side that is missing, but there are two threaded > holes. > Orrin, the centre section is not really dished enough to hold heating > fluid, can anyone explain its operation, what is the tube coming out at > right angles from the top section.? > On the right hand photo, bottom left corner, that section has holes all > around the outside and a small hole or jet in the middle. > Yes, there would be a nice knurled brass filler cap in place of that > wooden plug. > > Peter, Oz > Here is the link > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > Roland Replied ................................. > >> Peter >> I think its the remains of a Tilley heater. >> Roland > > Orrin replied .............................. > >>If I'm reading the reflections, properly, the top of the tank is slightly >>dished. By placing a bit of gasoline in the dished part, then lighting >>it, >>the contents will become pressurized. If my surmise is correct, it does >>not >>need a pressure pump. I would think, however, the filler cap is missing. >>It appears as though it >>has been lost and a jury-rigged stopper has been inserted. In order for >>it >>to work properly, a proper cap should be provided. > >Regards, Orrin > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Dec 25 03:59:30 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:59:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> <004b01c846c9$f89a1f00$0201a8c0@DELL> Message-ID: <000801c846ed$9b665eb0$0601a8c0@altech> For those with nothing do but sit back and enjoy Christmas here are a few more items to identify for me. I think I know what No. 3 is but I am willing to listen to others. Nos. 4, 5 & 6 I am not real sure, I would say that a powder of some sort goes into the hopper, you close the lid. The handle has a gearbox which when you wind it acts like a blower, the material is fed through a small hole on the bottom of the hopper and there is also a stirrer in there. On the blower side, air is forced from outside through a small impeller to combine with the mixture and then blow out the front nozzle. We though it might belong to the pastry cooking/cake making profession for dusting the icing sugar on large batch production, what is your guess? It is die cast, made in Japan. These are my brothers and I said that if anyone could identify these items our engine guys and gals could. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm Peter, Oz From weolson at wiktel.com Tue Dec 25 06:31:21 2007 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 08:31:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object In-Reply-To: <000801c846ed$9b665eb0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> <004b01c846c9$f89a1f00$0201a8c0@DELL> <000801c846ed$9b665eb0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <47711439.7090009@wiktel.com> On items 4,5, & 6, I think you are right on it being a duster of some sort. I've seen very similar types with an extension tube on the outlet and used for dusting vegtable plants with insect killer dust to help keep your garden bug free. William Olson Northern Minnesota Merry Christmas. we hafe a beautiful 11 inches of snow on the ground, and a delightful +15 degrees F. Peter Lowe wrote: >For those with nothing do but sit back and enjoy Christmas here are a few >more items to identify for me. >I think I know what No. 3 is but I am willing to listen to others. > >Nos. 4, 5 & 6 I am not real sure, I would say that a powder of some sort >goes into the hopper, you close the lid. >The handle has a gearbox which when you wind it acts like a blower, the >material is fed through a small hole on the bottom of the hopper and there >is also a stirrer in there. >On the blower side, air is forced from outside through a small impeller to >combine with the mixture and then blow out the front nozzle. >We though it might belong to the pastry cooking/cake making profession for >dusting the icing sugar on large batch production, what is your guess? >It is die cast, made in Japan. > >These are my brothers and I said that if anyone could identify these items >our engine guys and gals could. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > > >Peter, Oz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 25 07:44:20 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 09:44:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object In-Reply-To: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Peter: Items 4, 5 & 6 are a garden duster for insecticide. It's not an old item unless you consider an age of about 30 years to be old. Elaine has one she bought in the late 70's. Take care - Elden > From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] > On Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 11:06 PM > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org > Subject: Mystery object > > Hi All > > Can anyone identify this object please. > I would say it is not a burner as there is no > pressure pump. It looks like > it boils something, but when you do the steam and > water just leaks out of > the top assembly like something is missing. > One of you gurus must have seen one before. > > Here is the link > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > Regards > Peter, Oz > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Tue Dec 25 07:11:25 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:11:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object In-Reply-To: <000801c846ed$9b665eb0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> <004b01c846c9$f89a1f00$0201a8c0@DELL> <000801c846ed$9b665eb0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <47711D9D.9080707@telenet.net> 4,5,6 are a plant duster. Used for applying poison dust to plants. You use it in the early evening when the dew falls. Just fill it with the dust of choice and turn the crank. It will blow the dust out in a fog to coat the plants evenly. -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept Peter Lowe wrote: > For those with nothing do but sit back and enjoy Christmas here are a few > more items to identify for me. > I think I know what No. 3 is but I am willing to listen to others. > > Nos. 4, 5 & 6 I am not real sure, I would say that a powder of some sort > goes into the hopper, you close the lid. > The handle has a gearbox which when you wind it acts like a blower, the > material is fed through a small hole on the bottom of the hopper and there > is also a stirrer in there. > On the blower side, air is forced from outside through a small impeller to > combine with the mixture and then blow out the front nozzle. > We though it might belong to the pastry cooking/cake making profession for > dusting the icing sugar on large batch production, what is your guess? > It is die cast, made in Japan. > > These are my brothers and I said that if anyone could identify these items > our engine guys and gals could. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > > > Peter, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 25 14:28:14 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:28:14 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <000b01c84745$70d80560$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter i have a kerosene heater that looks very similar has the same top part and base the top piece helps the kerosine to vaporise it is a pressure operated though.My guess is that some parts may be missing.I have tried to send a pic but has been sent to the moderator can send them to your email address brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: ; "'ATIS'" Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery object > If I'm reading the reflections, properly, the top of the tank is slightly > dished. By placing a bit of gasoline in the dished part, then lighting it, > the contents will become pressurized. If my surmise is correct, it does not > need a pressure pump. > > I would think, however, the filler cap is missing. It appears as though it > has been lost and a jury-rigged stopper has been inserted. In order for it > to work properly, a proper cap should be provided. > > I have a backpacking stove that works in the manner described. > > Regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 11:06 PM > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org > Subject: Mystery object > > Hi All > > Can anyone identify this object please. > I would say it is not a burner as there is no pressure pump. It looks like > it boils something, but when you do the steam and water just leaks out of > the top assembly like something is missing. > One of you gurus must have seen one before. > > Here is the link > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > Regards > Peter, Oz > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1196 - Release Date: 12/25/2007 12:18 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 25 14:39:34 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:39:34 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <000b01c846c4$a0b65f60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <005b01c84747$0625f4a0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter with the kerosine heater i have you preheat it with a small clip type holder that clips on the main stem underneath the vaporiser at the top it is filled with asbestos it isnt preheated at the base like a blow torch etc.If it is a heater they also came out as a light but the top fitting is quite different than the vaporiser type for the heater that is in your picture.The light type an uncle of mine had it had a glass surround and an asbestos globe attachs inside.brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Mystery object > Hi All > > Can anyone identify this object please. > I would say it is not a burner as there is no pressure pump. It looks like > it boils something, but when you do the steam and water just leaks out of > the top assembly like something is missing. > One of you gurus must have seen one before. > > Here is the link > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > Regards > Peter, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 11:19 AM > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Dec 25 16:31:57 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:31:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> <000b01c84745$70d80560$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <001401c84756$b959f8a0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Guys and Gals Well we have come to the conclusion that the brass object is a kerosene or other fuel, heater or lamp of some sorts. Would love a photo if anyone has one. The second object still unknown, would it be for opening 44 gallon drums?? I have seen them before and I have one some where. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm The third thing is an insecticide spreader. So far collectively you have done well, I just want to clarify the tool please!! Peter, Oz From twoferals at yahoo.com.au Tue Dec 25 17:12:40 2007 From: twoferals at yahoo.com.au (twoferals) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:12:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object In-Reply-To: <001401c84756$b959f8a0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> <000b01c84745$70d80560$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <001401c84756$b959f8a0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <4771AA88.1080406@yahoo.com.au> Peter, See Tilley Lamp TL2 towards bottom. Note Pinocchio protuberance. > http://terrence.marsh.faculty.noctrl.edu/lantern/tilleyindustriallamps.html Cheers, Al Harris Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Guys and Gals > > Well we have come to the conclusion that the brass object is a kerosene or > other fuel, heater or lamp of some sorts. Would love a photo if anyone has > one. > > The second object still unknown, would it be for opening 44 gallon drums?? I > have seen them before and I have one some where. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > The third thing is an insecticide spreader. > > So far collectively you have done well, I just want to clarify the tool > please!! > > Peter, Oz > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From twoferals at yahoo.com.au Tue Dec 25 17:15:11 2007 From: twoferals at yahoo.com.au (twoferals) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:15:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object In-Reply-To: <001401c84756$b959f8a0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> <000b01c84745$70d80560$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <001401c84756$b959f8a0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <4771AB1F.7000806@yahoo.com.au> Darn it. Make that LT2. Peter, See Tilley Lamp TL2 towards bottom. Note Pinocchio protuberance. > http://terrence.marsh.faculty.noctrl.edu/lantern/tilleyindustriallamps.html Cheers, Al Harris Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Guys and Gals > > Well we have come to the conclusion that the brass object is a kerosene or > other fuel, heater or lamp of some sorts. Would love a photo if anyone has > one. > > The second object still unknown, would it be for opening 44 gallon drums?? I > have seen them before and I have one some where. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > The third thing is an insecticide spreader. > > So far collectively you have done well, I just want to clarify the tool > please!! > > Peter, Oz > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 25 17:40:22 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:40:22 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Mystery object References: <200712250742.lBP7gcKk083343@mail-gw.fsr.net> <000b01c84745$70d80560$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <001401c84756$b959f8a0$0601a8c0@altech> <4771AB1F.7000806@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <001101c84760$48a981c0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter what is your email address and i will send you a pic of the similar style kerosine heater i have some parts look identical brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "twoferals" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery object > Darn it. Make that LT2. > > Peter, > > See Tilley Lamp TL2 towards bottom. Note Pinocchio protuberance. > > > http://terrence.marsh.faculty.noctrl.edu/lantern/tilleyindustriallamps.html > > Cheers, > Al Harris > > > > Peter Lowe wrote: > > Hi Guys and Gals > > > > Well we have come to the conclusion that the brass object is a kerosene or > > other fuel, heater or lamp of some sorts. Would love a photo if anyone has > > one. > > > > The second object still unknown, would it be for opening 44 gallon drums?? I > > have seen them before and I have one some where. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mysterything.htm > > > > The third thing is an insecticide spreader. > > > > So far collectively you have done well, I just want to clarify the tool > > please!! > > > > Peter, Oz > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1196 - Release Date: 12/25/2007 12:18 PM > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Dec 25 18:06:05 2007 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:06:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <4771B70D.7040400@wightman.ca> Hi Folks, Just a Merry Christmas from this lurker up north. Hope all are well. Duncan, Sandy and Morgan Denman Ayton, Ont. Canada http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 03:17:55 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:17:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers. Message-ID: <752101.27373.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, The pliers are up for sale on the auction site. Please bid high and often. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Dec 26 04:27:46 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:27:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron welding rod update Message-ID: <122620071227.26028.477248C2000591C1000065AC219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi guys, Finally got on to the website on that special cast iron welding rod as follows: www.weldmold.com/copper_nickel_alloy.htm Thanks to some great help from the list I know remember that I ordered it from AFA Gas,Inc., Danville, Illinois. If you check out the website click on the PDF flag for 702 or 706 and it will give you the specs,etc. also a phone number for the company. thanks to all that assited. Curt Andree From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 26 05:54:10 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:54:10 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron welding rod update References: <122620071227.26028.477248C2000591C1000065AC219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003901c847c6$cbb54390$0dc20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Cast iron welding rod update > Hi guys, > Finally got on to the website on that special cast iron welding rod as follows: > > www.weldmold.com/copper_nickel_alloy.htm Hi Curt, You are short of a space! There are 2 spaces between copper & nickle. Try http://www.weldmold.com/copper__nickel_alloy.htm Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 13:25:01 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:25:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <162285.41838.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I joined the SEL and Old Engine.org about a year after the great adventure taken by the pliers. It seems like they had already been sold once even. As I remember it,,,,,,, Farmer had misplaced these pliers and just for something to chat about wrote to the SEL that his pliers had come up missing. Next thing ya know with all the clowns on the SEL back then folks all over the place were saying the pliers had been seen there. So, those piers finally showed back up at Farmer's place and a SEL legend was born. They were highly sought after and went for pretty big money when first auctioned. Anyone that remembers more or better please add to this or correct as needed. I wish I had an accurate record for every place the pliers have been since the first auction. They truly are Internationally Traveled now. I grabbed them away from the tractor guys so it is up to you folks to keep them with the engine guys. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Shasta4 at aol.com wrote: Agree !! How bout it guys ?? Sounds like a great story fer ALL to enjoy 'n perhaps pass on !!!!! Al Boyer Tolland CT USA ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 26 14:46:48 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:46:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers In-Reply-To: <162285.41838.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <162285.41838.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan, At one time there was a "log book" that traveled with the pliers. It documented where all they'd been and what they'd been up to. There were also "local mementos" that were attached to the pliers; little wooden shoes from Holland, I think a little koala bear from Oz, etc. Some of the tales recorded in words and pictures were pretty sordid. I'm thinking back to an incident at Coolspring involving a pair of needlenose pliers that made the local news.... Does anyone know where the SEL FAQ lives these days? The Tale of the World-Famous Internationally Traveled Blue Handled Fence Pliers From The Magnetic Center Of The Known Universe (AKA WFITBHFPFTMCOTKU) might be there along with the Tales of Little Lisa (another lurid story with pictures that ain't pretty). Hmmmm, I found this FAQ, which has some interesting SEL lore, but not a word on the WFITBHFPFTMCOTKU. http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/FAQ.shtml And this FAQ which, while interesting and useful, DEFINITELY has nothing on the WFITBHFPFTMCOTKU. http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html Any other OLD list folks out there with better memories than mine? Brice? Steve? Spencer? Dave? Ron? Dolly? Farmer? SOMEONE must remember the details? Or at least have the balls to make them up as needed? 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Dolly? Yer not REALLY old... 8->>> Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 26 Dec 2007, Alan Bowen wrote: > I joined the SEL and Old Engine.org about a year after the great > adventure taken by the pliers. It seems like they had already been sold > once even. > > As I remember it,,,,,,, > Farmer had misplaced these pliers and just for something to chat about > wrote to the SEL that his pliers had come up missing. Next thing ya > know with all the clowns on the SEL back then folks all over the place > were saying the pliers had been seen there. So, those piers finally > showed back up at Farmer's place and a SEL legend was born. They were > highly sought after and went for pretty big money when first auctioned. > Anyone that remembers more or better please add to this or correct as needed. > > I wish I had an accurate record for every place the pliers have been > since the first auction. They truly are Internationally Traveled now. > I grabbed them away from the tractor guys so it is up to you folks to > keep them with the engine guys. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 26 15:08:06 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:08:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071226235100.00bb72f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071226235100.00bb72f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Just remember Jerry, there are two "rules" that govern the final "price" of those infamous Blue Handled Fence Pliers. 1: How far you are from the Magnetic Center Of The Known Universe (where the pliers are from), and 2: How wide your ass is. This is of greatest concern to the FATGs among us. 8->> See ya, Arnie On Wed, 26 Dec 2007, Jerry Evans wrote: > Come on Dave and others, > Let's trace their history and travels - maybe they need to spend > some time in Sunny South Africa !! From shop at cccomm.net Wed Dec 26 15:29:02 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:29:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers References: <162285.41838.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019001c84817$197e3b90$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> They resided in England with Helen French (husband Don?) don't remember and it's been a long while since they posted. Then one year didn't they end up down under? NOW, I'M old................afflicted with lots of CRS Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers > Hi Alan, > > At one time there was a "log book" that traveled with the pliers. It > documented where all they'd been and what they'd been up to. There were > also "local mementos" that were attached to the pliers; little wooden > shoes from Holland, I think a little koala bear from Oz, etc. Some of > the tales recorded in words and pictures were pretty sordid. I'm thinking > back to an incident at Coolspring involving a pair of needlenose > pliers that made the local news.... > > Does anyone know where the SEL FAQ lives these days? The Tale of the > World-Famous Internationally Traveled Blue Handled Fence Pliers From The > Magnetic Center Of The Known Universe (AKA WFITBHFPFTMCOTKU) might be > there along with the Tales of Little Lisa (another lurid story with > pictures that ain't pretty). > > Hmmmm, I found this FAQ, which has some interesting SEL lore, but not a > word on the WFITBHFPFTMCOTKU. > http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/FAQ.shtml > > And this FAQ which, while interesting and useful, DEFINITELY has nothing > on the WFITBHFPFTMCOTKU. > http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html > > Any other OLD list folks out there with better memories than mine? > Brice? Steve? Spencer? Dave? Ron? Dolly? Farmer? SOMEONE must > remember the details? Or at least have the balls to make them up as > needed? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Dolly? Yer not REALLY old... 8->>> > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Wed, 26 Dec 2007, Alan Bowen wrote: > >> I joined the SEL and Old Engine.org about a year after the great >> adventure taken by the pliers. It seems like they had already been sold >> once even. >> >> As I remember it,,,,,,, >> Farmer had misplaced these pliers and just for something to chat about >> wrote to the SEL that his pliers had come up missing. Next thing ya >> know with all the clowns on the SEL back then folks all over the place >> were saying the pliers had been seen there. So, those piers finally >> showed back up at Farmer's place and a SEL legend was born. They were >> highly sought after and went for pretty big money when first auctioned. >> Anyone that remembers more or better please add to this or correct as >> needed. >> >> I wish I had an accurate record for every place the pliers have been >> since the first auction. They truly are Internationally Traveled now. >> I grabbed them away from the tractor guys so it is up to you folks to >> keep them with the engine guys. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 26 15:46:35 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 01:46:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Charity Auction items added Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071227013244.00b9c030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys & Gals, I've added a few brass spec. plates to the auction (seems like this may become an annual "thing") (I even "copied & pasted" from last year). I really enjoyed last years auction and hope you people enjoy this one as well! I've a few more things to add and will keep you posted. Anyone need Maytag decals :-) ? Enjoy ! Tommy, I trust that I'll hear from you soon. :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 20/12/2007 02:14 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 26 17:47:46 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:47:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers In-Reply-To: <906873.24724.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <906873.24724.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1198720066.4773044269394@webmail.city-net.com> Ahhhhh, yes. That all sounds VERY familiar!! Any chance of adding a pic of the "goodies" with the Blue Handled Fence Pliers to the auction? Or maybe a link to a pic? See ya, Arnie Quoting Alan Bowen : > I never got a log book with the pliers. > I do see evidence that they lived with Dot Parsons in New Zealand and also > with John Hammink in the Netherlands. > > Some fine caretaker in 2002 made a board to display them on and added five > show buttons from Brownsville, PA , Southern Indiana, Findlay, Ohio, > Portland and WMC Fall Harvest Days. From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Dec 26 18:46:40 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:46:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers Message-ID: <20071226.184640.296.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Try this. http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/WFITBHFP.jpg On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:47:46 -0500 fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > Ahhhhh, yes. That all sounds VERY familiar!! Any chance of adding a > pic of the > "goodies" with the Blue Handled Fence Pliers to the auction? Or > maybe a link > to a pic? > > See ya, Arnie From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 18:48:56 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:48:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers In-Reply-To: <1198720066.4773044269394@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <444279.18720.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Done. fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: Ahhhhh, yes. That all sounds VERY familiar!! Any chance of adding a pic of the "goodies" with the Blue Handled Fence Pliers to the auction? Or maybe a link to a pic? See ya, Arnie Quoting Alan Bowen : > I never got a log book with the pliers. > I do see evidence that they lived with Dot Parsons in New Zealand and also > with John Hammink in the Netherlands. > > Some fine caretaker in 2002 made a board to display them on and added five > show buttons from Brownsville, PA , Southern Indiana, Findlay, Ohio, > Portland and WMC Fall Harvest Days. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 26 19:13:54 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:13:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers In-Reply-To: <019001c84817$197e3b90$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <162285.41838.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <019001c84817$197e3b90$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <85F9F947-291F-4C87-A516-025CA015B3D5@alltel.net> That was her first husband? Dave On Dec 26, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Dave Ernst wrote: > They resided in England with Helen French (husband Don?) From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Thu Dec 27 01:50:32 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 01:50:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas All Message-ID: <213347.4963.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Try again with a different address, sent using ozengine but bounced because of ... while talking to gateway.mchsi.com.: >>> MAIL From: SIZE=1572 <<< 550-211.29.132.193 blocked by ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=mso,dc=att,dc=net <<< 550 Blocked for abuse. Please contact the administrator of your ISP or sending mailservice. 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas All > > G'Day Mate > Thank you for your kind words, Donna has improved greatly, although see > tires easy she is back to how she was before her turn at our place. > Hope you all had a great time this week and Santa was kind to you 8-)) > Christmas day was the coldest here that I can remember, usually we put up > a > cover to keep the hot sun off us but this year it was to keep the cold > wind > and drizzle rain off us, so much for global warming. > But that did not stop me spoiling the 4 grand kids specially my daughters > 12 > month old boy and my sons 5 month old girl, all the family home was great. > > Have a great and happy new year > > all the best > > Kerry > > > >> >> I hope your daughter gets well soon. She had a close call there. >> >> Merry Christmas! >> >> Take care - Elden >> > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 27 02:01:57 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:01:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas All References: <213347.4963.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01e201c84870$aa4c4000$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hey! it got here!!! I get this crap all the time! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas All > Try again with a different address, sent using ozengine but bounced > because > of > ... while talking to gateway.mchsi.com.: >>>> MAIL From: SIZE=1572 > <<< 550-211.29.132.193 blocked by ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=mso,dc=att,dc=net > <<< 550 Blocked for abuse. Please contact the administrator of your ISP > or > sending mailservice. > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas All > >> >> G'Day Mate >> Thank you for your kind words, Donna has improved greatly, although see >> tires easy she is back to how she was before her turn at our place. >> Hope you all had a great time this week and Santa was kind to you 8-)) >> Christmas day was the coldest here that I can remember, usually we put up >> a >> cover to keep the hot sun off us but this year it was to keep the cold >> wind >> and drizzle rain off us, so much for global warming. >> But that did not stop me spoiling the 4 grand kids specially my daughters >> 12 >> month old boy and my sons 5 month old girl, all the family home was >> great. >> >> Have a great and happy new year >> >> all the best >> >> Kerry >> >> >> >>> >>> I hope your daughter gets well soon. She had a close call there. >>> >>> Merry Christmas! >>> >>> Take care - Elden >>> >> > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail > now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 27 02:43:48 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:43:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers In-Reply-To: <20071226.184640.296.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <234390.22433.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Also, http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers1.jpg http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers3.jpg Here are pix of past caretakers. http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers4.jpg http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers2.jpg Alan rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: Try this. http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/WFITBHFP.jpg On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:47:46 -0500 fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > Ahhhhh, yes. That all sounds VERY familiar!! Any chance of adding a > pic of the > "goodies" with the Blue Handled Fence Pliers to the auction? Or > maybe a link > to a pic? > > See ya, Arnie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 27 07:44:22 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:44:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Blue Handled Fence Pliers In-Reply-To: <234390.22433.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <234390.22433.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan, Man, that's EXCELLENT!! That's the stuff I was remembering. WOW! Talk about HISTORY! Clearly that's gotta DOUBLE the current bid price!! Bid early, bid often, and bid against yourself if possible!! See ya, Arnie PS - Does anyone know if "Br30terrorist" is an engine guy or a FATG? On Thu, 27 Dec 2007, Alan Bowen wrote: > Also, > http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers1.jpg > http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers3.jpg > > Here are pix of past caretakers. > http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers4.jpg > http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/pliers2.jpg > > Alan > > rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: Try this. > http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/WFITBHFP.jpg From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 27 07:53:03 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:53:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! Message-ID: Hi folks, I think y'all will enjoy this bit of good news from Rick relative to the Tod Engine Project. Be sure to check out the Tod Engine Project web site for pictures and additional info. http://www.todengine.org/ Speaking personally, I can say that the weekends spent helping to dismantle the Tod Engine were about the most fun that an engine man (or woman) can have with their clothes on. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:32:23 -0500 From: Rick Rowlands To: Subject: Tod Engine Project- Good News! Over the past week the Tod Engine Foundation has brought in $9,000 for the Tod Engine House construction project! The money represents a $2,000 gift from Daniel Becker of Struthers, OH, $2,000 from the sale of an asset and $5,000 gift from the William B. Pollock Co. Foundation. The Pollock check arrived in the mail today, and I was literally dancing around the engine with it in my hand! :-) My 12 year old dream of saving the Tod Engine and restoring it is coming true, piece by piece. With these latest donations the purchase of the steel building will be fully funded. There is still one more contribution that we are expecting, and when that comes in the foundation work for the building will be fully paid for. There is still much more to do and I will be working on the second phase of our capital campaign, but for now its time to sit back and appreciate just how far we have come. Just think, in 1995 when I discovered the Tod Engine, it was sitting deep in an active steel mill scheduled for demolition. I was 22 years old, never been in a steel mill before in my life, had no money and no idea what I was doing. The first miracle was getting North Star Steel to donate the engine, which had a high scrap value to them. The next miracle was getting 250 tons of parts taken apart, moved and stored and do it for under $10,000. With the help of a great bunch of guys from the Stationary Engine List we got that done. The Tod family paid for half of that and I maxed out a credit card to pay the rest. Four years went by before I found a piece of property that I could afford to buy for the engine. Some may not think it to be the ideal location but for what I could afford its better than nothing. So I forked over another 15k to buy the land (I'm still paying that line of credit off). Then it took another six years to move all the parts to the new site, and much more money. I don't keep track of how much of my personal money goes into the project but as you can tell from the ratty truck I drive I don't spend anything on me! During 2007 we decided to go big time, set our sights high and put up a good quality steel building for the engine. With the leadership of the Tod family we have raised $18,500 from local foundations this year, bringing the total income of the Foundation to over $40k. 2008 we will continue to build upon this and raise additional money to finish off the building and grounds while I spend all of next summer actually erecting the structure.(I don't hire contractors, I'll do all this work myelf). Come 2009 we hope that our building will be finished and the engine cosmetically restored enough to hold an official grand opening for the Tod Engine Heritage Park! So its a very Merry Christmas here at the Tod Engine Foundation! I can't believe the incredibly good year 2007 has been to us. Thanks everyone for your continued support of our project. God bless! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org http://todengine.blogspot.com/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 27 07:18:11 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:18:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! References: Message-ID: <003b01c8489b$b22418e0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Where are those photos of the gas up they just had at his place ? Daves truck parked by the crank , etc . That sounds a bit redundant doesnt it ? Dave's truck parked NEXT TO the crankshaft . From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Dec 27 13:21:37 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:21:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47741761.4020400@scrtc.com> Wow Arnie, Rick has a super web site and is doing a tremendous job on this project. I wish I had the tenacity to do such a project. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi folks, > >I think y'all will enjoy this bit of good news from Rick >relative to the Tod Engine Project. > >Be sure to check out the Tod Engine Project web site for pictures and >additional info. http://www.todengine.org/ > >Speaking personally, I can say that the weekends spent helping to >dismantle the Tod Engine were about the most fun that an engine man (or >woman) can have with their clothes on. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >- > From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 27 13:56:20 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:56:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! References: <47741761.4020400@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00e801c848d3$50e78a70$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Totally unreal what youth, talent and determination can do .. what a project and site to behold, ... in awe! Paul Waugh - Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! > Wow Arnie, Rick has a super web site and is doing a tremendous job on > this project. I wish I had the tenacity to do such a project. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>Hi folks, >> >>I think y'all will enjoy this bit of good news from Rick >>relative to the Tod Engine Project. >> >>Be sure to check out the Tod Engine Project web site for pictures and >>additional info. http://www.todengine.org/ >> >>Speaking personally, I can say that the weekends spent helping to >>dismantle the Tod Engine were about the most fun that an engine man (or >>woman) can have with their clothes on. 8-)) >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>- >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Thu Dec 27 21:41:09 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:41:09 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! References: <47741761.4020400@scrtc.com> <00e801c848d3$50e78a70$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <005401c84914$436c3e40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Rick that is impressive undertaking for a moter that humongous a giant among stationary engines very lucky to have been able to salvage it for restoraton what a great exhibition piece.To you and the team i salute you all for a job well done many hours of team planning to get it to this stage i bet ..well done..you have my utmost respect brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Waugh" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! > Totally unreal what youth, talent and determination can do .. what a project > and site to behold, ... in awe! > > Paul Waugh - Indiana > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Project- Good News! > > > > Wow Arnie, Rick has a super web site and is doing a tremendous job on > > this project. I wish I had the tenacity to do such a project. > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY > > > > > >>Hi folks, > >> > >>I think y'all will enjoy this bit of good news from Rick > >>relative to the Tod Engine Project. > >> > >>Be sure to check out the Tod Engine Project web site for pictures and > >>additional info. http://www.todengine.org/ > >> > >>Speaking personally, I can say that the weekends spent helping to > >>dismantle the Tod Engine were about the most fun that an engine man (or > >>woman) can have with their clothes on. 8-)) > >> > >>See ya, Arnie > >> > >>Arnie Fero > >>Pittsburgh, PA > >>fero_ah at city-net.com > >> > >>- > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM > > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Dec 28 15:22:54 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:22:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Back in July we were loading our Oil City/South Penn Half-breed engine to take to our county fair. The engine is on skids and when we take it to a show we just back our flat bead trailer up to the engine and hook a winch to the skids. It normally just comes right up on the trailer no big deal. Well, this time it didn't work too well. The engine was sitting on wood blocks to keep it off the ground. When the front of the engine slid off the block it caused the engine to tip over. When it tipped over the left flywheel landed on the skid of the 15 HP Reid sitting next to it. You guessed it, all the spokes broke out of the flywheel. We were just sick. So, if you have any leads on were we might be able to pick up another flywheel please let me know. For all the gruesome details I've posted before and after pictures here: http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm Learn from our miss fortune and be extra careful when loading those engines From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 28 15:35:36 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:35:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059057B6130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Keith, Since the neither the hub or ring of the flywheel broke, couldn't you just weld the spokes back in place? Afterall, you have all the pieces. It would be best if you could find a replacement, but I have no idea on how difficult finding another will be. I'm sure someone will say the spokes couldn't be welded back in place, so I'd like for them to explain why it technically can't be done rather than the usual fear mongering. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 3:23 PM To: ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. Back in July we were loading our Oil City/South Penn Half-breed engine to take to our county fair. The engine is on skids and when we take it to a show we just back our flat bead trailer up to the engine and hook a winch to the skids. It normally just comes right up on the trailer no big deal. Well, this time it didn't work too well. The engine was sitting on wood blocks to keep it off the ground. When the front of the engine slid off the block it caused the engine to tip over. When it tipped over the left flywheel landed on the skid of the 15 HP Reid sitting next to it. You guessed it, all the spokes broke out of the flywheel. We were just sick. So, if you have any leads on were we might be able to pick up another flywheel please let me know. For all the gruesome details I've posted before and after pictures here: http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm Learn from our miss fortune and be extra careful when loading those engines _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Dec 28 15:45:20 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:45:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. It was in bad repair needing all the wood replaced and some of the metal parts repaired/replaced. My son took this on as a 4-H Americana project and we got it pretty much done this summer. He received a grand champion for his efforts. I just finished posting some pictures here: http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm It was a great project and we still have some pin striping and minor things to do but all in all I'm very pleased with the outcome. Keith Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Dec 28 15:50:13 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:50:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059057B6130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.a d.adp.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059057B6130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <200712281850740.SM04548@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> George I'm sure a good welder could do the job and it would probably be ok. But, that is a lot of weight spinning around and if it should come apart it could be deadly. It's not that rare of an engine so I hope to be able to find a replacement flywheel. There's go to be some left in the woods. After all the flywheel is probably the last thing to wear out on these old engines, unless you do something to them like I did.:-) Keith At 05:35 PM 12/28/2007, you wrote: >Keith, > >Since the neither the hub or ring of the flywheel broke, couldn't you >just weld the spokes back in place? > >Afterall, you have all the pieces. > >It would be best if you could find a replacement, but I have no idea on >how difficult finding another will be. > >I'm sure someone will say the spokes couldn't be welded back in place, >so I'd like for them to explain why it technically can't be done rather >than the usual fear mongering. > >George > Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Dec 28 15:50:35 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:50:35 +1300 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <002301c849ac$71f9ad90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Keith my condolences that was tragic hopefully there is a donar out there with a spare one for you still a cool looking engine brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:22 PM Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. > Back in July we were loading our Oil City/South Penn Half-breed > engine to take to our county fair. The engine is on skids and when > we take it to a show we just back our flat bead trailer up to the > engine and hook a winch to the skids. It normally just comes right > up on the trailer no big deal. Well, this time it didn't work too > well. The engine was sitting on wood blocks to keep it off the > ground. When the front of the engine slid off the block it caused > the engine to tip over. When it tipped over the left flywheel landed > on the skid of the 15 HP Reid sitting next to it. You guessed it, > all the spokes broke out of the flywheel. We were just sick. So, if > you have any leads on were we might be able to pick up another > flywheel please let me know. For all the gruesome details I've > posted before and after pictures here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm > > Learn from our miss fortune and be extra careful when loading those engines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM > > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Dec 28 16:23:55 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:23:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <002301c849ac$71f9ad90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <002301c849ac$71f9ad90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <200712281924261.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Thanks Bent. Yep, sure makes me sick to look at the engine. It is one of my favorite engines too. Ran real well and to think it is well over 100 years old. Keith At 05:50 PM 12/28/2007, you wrote: >Keith my condolences that was tragic hopefully there is a donar out there >with a spare one for you still a cool looking engine brentnz > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Keith Kinney" >To: >Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:22 PM >Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. > > > > Back in July we were loading our Oil City/South Penn Half-breed > > engine to take to our county fair. The engine is on skids and when > > we take it to a show we just back our flat bead trailer up to the > > engine and hook a winch to the skids. It normally just comes right > > up on the trailer no big deal. Well, this time it didn't work too > > well. The engine was sitting on wood blocks to keep it off the > > ground. When the front of the engine slid off the block it caused > > the engine to tip over. When it tipped over the left flywheel landed > > on the skid of the 15 HP Reid sitting next to it. You guessed it, > > all the spokes broke out of the flywheel. We were just sick. So, if > > you have any leads on were we might be able to pick up another > > flywheel please let me know. For all the gruesome details I've > > posted before and after pictures here: > > http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm > > > > Learn from our miss fortune and be extra careful when loading those >engines > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: >12/28/2007 11:51 AM > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1198 - Release Date: >12/26/2007 5:26 PM Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From rex002 at centurytel.net Fri Dec 28 16:34:05 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:34:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712282324.lBSNOIbm031525@mail926c35.nsolutionszone.com> Message-ID: <001301c849b2$85e17210$6500a8c0@home> Keith; I think I know how you feel , it puts a big knot in the tummy , I did the same with a small engine and I broke a main bearing cap , I would think the bigger the engine the bigger the knot in the tummy , when we load and unload engines engines some times it gets too easy and things go wrong because we drop our guard , I have learned my lesson and I really feel bad for you and I bet it will not happen to you again , I hope you find a flywheel soon and cheap , I sure would like to see the engine running, thanks for sharing your misshap and pictures. Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" < Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. > > http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm > > Learn from our miss fortune and be extra careful when loading those > engines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Dec 28 16:43:48 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:43:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <200712290044.lBT0iEwK034691@mail-gw.fsr.net> Keith, I feel your pain. I'm not advocating it, only reporting what I saw. At the Oscar's Dreamland auction of a decade ago, there was an engine up for sale that had suffered the same fate. The rim of the flywheel remained intact, so someone welded the spokes back in with nickel-based arc-welding rod. In contrast to the gray and rust colors of cast iron, those twelve shiny repairs stuck out like a sore thumb. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 3:23 PM To: ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. Back in July we were loading our Oil City/South Penn Half-breed engine to take to our county fair. The engine is on skids and when we take it to a show we just back our flat bead trailer up to the engine and hook a winch to the skids. It normally just comes right up on the trailer no big deal. Well, this time it didn't work too well. The engine was sitting on wood blocks to keep it off the ground. When the front of the engine slid off the block it caused the engine to tip over. When it tipped over the left flywheel landed on the skid of the 15 HP Reid sitting next to it. You guessed it, all the spokes broke out of the flywheel. We were just sick. So, if you have any leads on were we might be able to pick up another flywheel please let me know. For all the gruesome details I've posted before and after pictures here: http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm Learn from our miss fortune and be extra careful when loading those engines _______________________________________________ From ottawa at pa.net Fri Dec 28 17:00:34 2007 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:00:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <019101c849b6$38886ec0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> That is a work of art!!! Helen He received a grand champion for his efforts. I just finished posting some pictures here: http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm It was a great project and we still have some pin striping and minor things to do but all in all I'm very pleased with the outcome. Keith Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com _______________________________________________ From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Fri Dec 28 17:15:39 2007 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:15:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <001801c849b8$5335bd20$0300000a@Andy> Very nice Keith, a credit to your son. I hope he realises that he not only restored some early yank history, but some family history as well. Will his grand kids like it as much? I hope so. Andy Nicholson Townsville Qld OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: ; "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update > Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my > Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. It was in bad repair > needing all the wood replaced and some of the metal parts > repaired/replaced. My son took this on as a 4-H Americana project > and we got it pretty much done this summer. He received a grand > champion for his efforts. I just finished posting some pictures here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm > It was a great project and we still have some pin striping and minor > things to do but all in all I'm very pleased with the outcome. > Keith > > > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Dec 28 17:35:45 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:35:45 +1300 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <002501c849bb$2268e1b0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Keith great project with the cider mill looks fantastic its a great hobby restoring old machinery even better if they have a history with the family i would think your great grandad would be proud will be nice to have a nice cool cider during those long hot summers makes me thirstythinking about it.I though your section on casting was really interesting skys the limit once you have a forge thanks brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: ; "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update > Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my > Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. It was in bad repair > needing all the wood replaced and some of the metal parts > repaired/replaced. My son took this on as a 4-H Americana project > and we got it pretty much done this summer. He received a grand > champion for his efforts. I just finished posting some pictures here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm > It was a great project and we still have some pin striping and minor > things to do but all in all I'm very pleased with the outcome. > Keith > > > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sat Dec 29 02:41:47 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:41:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059057B6130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net><200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059057B6130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <8FFA36E8AC4540AE99D341290F3BD455@KerryPC> G'Day Keith Feeling sick would not start to describe my feelings if it happened to me, sorry to hear of your problems Welding from a company that guarantee's there work if you can find one would be an alternative for a replacement, but as Tom said they look to be very spindly for the task at hand, but that is no reason that they could not be welded stronger than original. for George not fear mongering, the welding process should not be a problem but I see keeping the hub and rim perfectly in line after the repair the major problem, maybe a jig to keep it all square would work, either way big time and $. Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ > Keith, > > Since the neither the hub or ring of the flywheel broke, couldn't you > just weld the spokes back in place? > > Afterall, you have all the pieces. > > It would be best if you could find a replacement, but I have no idea on > how difficult finding another will be. > > I'm sure someone will say the spokes couldn't be welded back in place, > so I'd like for them to explain why it technically can't be done rather > than the usual fear mongering. > > George From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 29 06:20:22 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:20:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net><200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059057B6130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <8FFA36E8AC4540AE99D341290F3BD455@KerryPC> Message-ID: <009701c84a25$f324f4f0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Sure glad nobody got pinched . If you didnt bend the canks much , this could turn out pretty good . You gotta find a curved spoke the same sized bore or smaller .It doesn't have to be exactly the same size rim either . The greater the difference the smoother the engine runs . Try it,you'll see what I mean ;-) . Its an opportunity to do some real coon tuning . Finding two curved spoked wheels that will work might be a bit much to ask , but then you can point the spokes in opposite directions . That makes em run really SMOOTH aahaaa Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 29 09:04:30 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:04:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <1198947870.47767e1e71a3e@webmail.city-net.com> Keith, As an eternal optimist, I'll say to look on the bright side. NOW you have a nice bolt-on weight ring for the engine. 8-)) Good luck on the flywheel hunt. I'll bet you can find one by spring. See ya, Arnie Quoting Keith Kinney : > Back in July we were loading our Oil City/South Penn Half-breed > engine to take to our county fair. The engine is on skids and when > we take it to a show we just back our flat bead trailer up to the > engine and hook a winch to the skids. It normally just comes right > up on the trailer no big deal. Well, this time it didn't work too > well. The engine was sitting on wood blocks to keep it off the > ground. When the front of the engine slid off the block it caused > the engine to tip over. When it tipped over the left flywheel landed > on the skid of the 15 HP Reid sitting next to it. You guessed it, > all the spokes broke out of the flywheel. We were just sick. So, if > you have any leads on were we might be able to pick up another > flywheel please let me know. For all the gruesome details I've > posted before and after pictures here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/Oil%20City/default.htm From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Dec 29 09:36:05 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:36:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <008601c84a41$4a97a140$726f4b47@mikecomp> Absolutely gorgeous. I know you are both proud of the work and results. What a great father son memory. I can remember my brother Steve throwing wrenches even today! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: ; "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Cc: ; Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:45 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update > Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my > Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. It was in bad repair > needing all the wood replaced and some of the metal parts > repaired/replaced. My son took this on as a 4-H Americana project > and we got it pretty much done this summer. He received a grand > champion for his efforts. I just finished posting some pictures here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm > It was a great project and we still have some pin striping and minor > things to do but all in all I'm very pleased with the outcome. > Keith > > > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Dec 29 23:46:51 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:46:51 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <001b01c84ab8$27a39910$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Great Job Keith ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: ; "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:45 AM Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update > Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my > Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. It was in bad repair > needing all the wood replaced and some of the metal parts > repaired/replaced. My son took this on as a 4-H Americana project > and we got it pretty much done this summer. He received a grand > champion for his efforts. I just finished posting some pictures here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm > It was a great project and we still have some pin striping and minor > things to do but all in all I'm very pleased with the outcome. > Keith > > > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From twoferals at yahoo.com.au Sun Dec 30 00:41:55 2007 From: twoferals at yahoo.com.au (twoferals) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:41:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Z - a two headed beast ?????? Message-ID: <477759D3.6060202@yahoo.com.au> To whom it may concern, or whoever wants to go to the trouble, We start with the carcus and internals of a 1.5HP Z model. We have no carby, no gov gear and no maggy. The question is:- can this be made into a "hit & miss" or a "throttle governed" engine just by bolting on the appropriate parts (ac/dc), or, is there something hiding in this carcus that I am oblivious too, that will only allow it to lean one way (ac or dc). TIA Al From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 01:35:47 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:35:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Urgent engine question Message-ID: <001a01c84ac7$5baeaa60$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all My R&V vertical flywheels and crankshaft are in the machine shop being repaired and I need to know something urgently. They are sitting in the lathe waiting for a reply. Reg and I know where they are and the machinist is an extemely competant steam/ engine guy, but we need to make sure. My two flywheels have been botched in Argentina and we need to get them right. Both flywheels are different and we are making two complete new hubs. 1. On the flywheels, is the crankshaft keyway usually 180 Deg opposite the flywheel counter weight. 2. Is the flywheel counter weight opposite the crank pin? so if the engine were on TDC, the flywheel counter weights would be at the bottom. I am probably answering my own question here, but I have the crank out and if it were facing TDC position the keyways are also on top, so the flywheel weights would be at the bottom, YES or NO Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Dec 30 03:11:38 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:11:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates Message-ID: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> For no particular reason ;) Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? Thanks, Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From nick at holden1.net Sun Dec 30 04:13:44 2007 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:13:44 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <47778B78.000004.03984@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Patrick For the 1000 engine rally have a look at http://www.1000engines.co.uk/ Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From: Patrick M Livingstone Date: 30/12/2007 11:15:04 To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates For no particular reason ;) Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? Thanks, Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html . From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Dec 30 04:31:47 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:31:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates In-Reply-To: <47778B78.000004.03984@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <20071230123146.QIEZ25013.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Thanks Nick. I tried that one & the only dates I can find seem to be out of date. I thought I would take a punt that someone on the list might know off hand so I can do some forward planning ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick For the 1000 engine rally have a look at http://www.1000engines.co.uk/ Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Dec 30 05:16:26 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:16:26 EST Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update Message-ID: In a message dated 12/28/2007 6:53:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, kkinney at herculesengines.com writes: Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. Keith, Great job on the cider mill! I know your son is proud of his accomplishment and award. The photograph of the mill looking outside from your shop (P7200104) I believe shows a log tobacco(?) barn with a side shed on it. It appears to be a great looking barn! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 30 05:33:47 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:33:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Urgent engine question In-Reply-To: <001a01c84ac7$5baeaa60$0601a8c0@altech> References: <001a01c84ac7$5baeaa60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <47779E3B.5050807@scrtc.com> Peter, You are correct. If the piston is at TDC, the counter weight will be at the furthest point away from the cylinder. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Peter Lowe wrote: >Hi all > >My R&V vertical flywheels and crankshaft are in the machine shop being >repaired and I need to know something urgently. They are sitting in the >lathe waiting for a reply. >Reg and I know where they are and the machinist is an extemely competant >steam/ engine guy, but we need to make sure. My two flywheels have been >botched in Argentina and we need to get them right. >Both flywheels are different and we are making two complete new hubs. > >1. On the flywheels, is the crankshaft keyway usually 180 Deg opposite the >flywheel counter weight. > >2. Is the flywheel counter weight opposite the crank pin? so if the engine >were on TDC, the flywheel counter weights would be at the bottom. > >I am probably answering my own question here, but I have the crank out and >if it were facing TDC position the keyways are also on top, so the flywheel >weights would be at the bottom, YES or NO > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 30 05:39:56 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:39:56 -0000 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <47778B78.000004.03984@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <004901c84ae9$786e7780$0dc20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Holden" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] European Rally Dates > > > > > Hi Patrick > For the 1000 engine rally have a look at > http://www.1000engines.co.uk/ > > Nick > Banbury (UK) > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden Hi Patrick, Neunen is 11th & 12th May 2008 1000 Engine is 21st & 22nd June 2008 see http://www.1000engines.co.uk/ Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldironnut at alltel.net Sun Dec 30 06:28:17 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:28:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update In-Reply-To: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> Keith Kinney wrote: > Some of you might remember almost two years ago I received my > Grandpa's cider mill as a birthday present. Keith, You and Isaac should be VERY PROUD of how the cider mill turned out because that is absolutely beautiful! He has done several really great restorations hasn't he? As for the Oil City..... bummer! I bet that after the initial "WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED" you were just sick! That's a big problem with our toys, they're big and little shifts in weight turn into BIG problems. I'm glad that y'all were safe and that the flywheel was the only casualty. If I hear of another flywheel I'll let you know. Take care and Happy New Year, Mike From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Dec 30 08:08:04 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:08:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Urgent engine question In-Reply-To: <001a01c84ac7$5baeaa60$0601a8c0@altech> References: <001a01c84ac7$5baeaa60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: Hi Peter, The purpose of the weight (ie a heavier place in a flywheel) or a lighter place in the flywheel (ie material removed from a flywheel-- either by casting or by machining) is to "off set" the weight of the throws of the crank. Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 30, 2007, at 4:35 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > > My R&V vertical flywheels and crankshaft are in the machine shop being > repaired and I need to know something urgently. They are sitting in > the > lathe waiting for a reply. > Reg and I know where they are and the machinist is an extemely > competant > steam/ engine guy, but we need to make sure. My two flywheels have > been > botched in Argentina and we need to get them right. > Both flywheels are different and we are making two complete new hubs. > > 1. On the flywheels, is the crankshaft keyway usually 180 Deg > opposite the > flywheel counter weight. > > 2. Is the flywheel counter weight opposite the crank pin? so if the > engine > were on TDC, the flywheel counter weights would be at the bottom. > > I am probably answering my own question here, but I have the crank > out and > if it were facing TDC position the keyways are also on top, so the > flywheel > weights would be at the bottom, YES or NO > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Dec 30 08:13:17 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:13:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates In-Reply-To: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <2283E2A3-948E-4D34-8C64-BA7B4A1C4D11@alltel.net> Hi Patrick, Yes! Dave On Dec 30, 2007, at 6:11 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the > Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? > Thanks, > Patrick From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 30 09:28:50 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:28:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Neat English Engine Recovery Tale Message-ID: <1199035730.4777d5527a6cc@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Folks, Y'all might enjoy this engine recovery tale from the English Newsgroup. Great pics as well. http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_frm/thread/231d8c27ae32666e?hl=en-GB http://www.tangye.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2637 See ya, Arnie PS - It's never too late to make a donation to the Internal Fire Museum. http://www.internalfire.com/index.php Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Dec 30 10:12:42 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:12:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Neat English Engine Recovery Tale References: <1199035730.4777d5527a6cc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Thanks Arn...great mornin' fix!!! RickinMt. > Hiya Folks, > > Y'all might enjoy this engine recovery tale from the English Newsgroup. > Great pics as well. > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_frm/thread/231d8c27ae32666e?hl=en-GB > > http://www.tangye.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2637 > > See ya, Arnie From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 30 12:50:27 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:50:27 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT pictures of trams in Montreal in the 1950's Message-ID: <00af01c84b25$9ce5d400$0dc20b52@intrepid> I have a Belgian friend who has given me access to the Belgian news groups. Someone has posted 20 pictures of trams in Montreal, Canada in the 1950's. As the newsgroup isn't easily accessible I have put the pictures on my Webshots site in case they are of interest to other engine men. (If you are crazy enough to love engines you might be crazy enough to like old trams) 8^) see http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561943771iQGGlk Happy New Year to everybody!! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 12:56:20 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:56:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000d01c84b26$6e4c6540$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Patrick For no particular reason my ASS ;-)))))) You might as well tell us your plans now mate. Peter, Oz > For no particular reason ;) > Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the > Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? > Thanks, > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at btes.tv Sun Dec 30 12:57:15 2007 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:57:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT pictures of trams in Montreal in the 1950's In-Reply-To: <00af01c84b25$9ce5d400$0dc20b52@intrepid> References: <00af01c84b25$9ce5d400$0dc20b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <88d488f3fd8a4a9439737e1c9aaa12d7@btes.tv> That's cool. I remember similar ones running in Birmingham, Alabama. John On Dec 30, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Dave Croft wrote: > I have a Belgian friend who has given me access to the Belgian news > groups. > Someone has posted 20 pictures of trams in Montreal, Canada in the > 1950's. > As the newsgroup isn't easily accessible I have put the pictures on my > Webshots site > in case they are of interest to other engine men. > (If you are crazy enough to love engines you might be crazy enough to > like old trams) 8^) > see http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561943771iQGGlk > Happy New Year to everybody!! > Dave Croft John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 13:08:45 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:08:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Thanks for urgent engine info Message-ID: <001901c84b28$2a285340$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Thanks for reinforcing what I already knew, I just wanted to make sure there were no anomalies. The lathe is spinning as I type, one flywheel is repaired already. Looks like they had come seriously loose a number of times while in Argentina and major hub damaged was done. My mate is making two complete new hubs for both flywheels then we start on repairing the broken crank. I am casting new babbit bearings next weekend here at home, then we meet up at the end of January to put it all together. My mate is in Newcastle where my folks live, 5 1/4 hours drive from here. Regards to all and Happy New Year for 2008. Peter, Oz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Dec 30 13:35:46 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:35:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates In-Reply-To: <004901c84ae9$786e7780$0dc20b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <20071230213544.VBEN19013.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Thanks Dave. That is the info I was after. It is interesting that the 2008 dates did not appear on the 1000 engine website until after I sent them an email (to which they did not reply). Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Monday, 31 December 2007 12:40 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] European Rally Dates ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Holden" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] European Rally Dates > > > > > Hi Patrick > For the 1000 engine rally have a look at > http://www.1000engines.co.uk/ > > Nick > Banbury (UK) > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden Hi Patrick, Neunen is 11th & 12th May 2008 1000 Engine is 21st & 22nd June 2008 see http://www.1000engines.co.uk/ Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Dec 30 13:46:11 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:46:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates In-Reply-To: <000d01c84b26$6e4c6540$0601a8c0@altech> References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <000d01c84b26$6e4c6540$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071231084345.02072f20@ncable.com.au> Come on Patrick, we all want to know HER name!!! Your mates in Sydney let the cat out of the bag some time back but all has been quiet, now you have shelved the USA trip, your renovating the kitchen !!!! and maybe planing a trip to the UK mmmmmm, sounds a lot like some outside influences here :-) Russell At 07:56 AM 31/12/2007, you wrote: >Hi Patrick >For no particular reason my ASS ;-)))))) >You might as well tell us your plans now mate. > >Peter, Oz > > > > For no particular reason ;) > > Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the > > Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? > > Thanks, > > Patrick > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Dec 30 14:08:51 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:08:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><000d01c84b26$6e4c6540$0601a8c0@altech> <7.0.1.0.1.20071231084345.02072f20@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <016b01c84b34$778226a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Well, she IS a Pommie nurse! Too nice for him!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] European Rally Dates > Come on Patrick, we all want to know HER name!!! Your mates in > Sydney let the cat out of the bag some time back but all has been > quiet, now you have shelved the USA trip, your renovating the kitchen > !!!! and maybe planing a trip to the UK mmmmmm, sounds a lot like > some outside influences here :-) > > Russell > > > At 07:56 AM 31/12/2007, you wrote: >>Hi Patrick >>For no particular reason my ASS ;-)))))) >>You might as well tell us your plans now mate. >> >>Peter, Oz >> >> >> > For no particular reason ;) >> > Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the >> > Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? >> > Thanks, >> > Patrick >> > >> > Patrick M Livingstone >> > Leichhardt NSW >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Dec 30 14:47:30 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:47:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates In-Reply-To: <000d01c84b26$6e4c6540$0601a8c0@altech> References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <000d01c84b26$6e4c6540$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <716BB808-31FC-4D5D-9748-99B5EDC8ABDA@rustyiron.com> On Dec 30, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Patrick > For no particular reason my ASS ;-)))))) > You might as well tell us your plans now mate. Rumor has it that Patrick is scheming to rape us Yanks of our heritage. As we speak, patriotic enginemen across the country are hiding their Root & Vandervoorts in their root cellars. Fellow Americans, if you see this bloke lurking around, http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/rvfeb9.jpg offer him a Fosters and a kangaroo burger, and tell him all the Roots were burned for fuel in the great blizzard of '04. From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun Dec 30 14:47:44 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:47:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Trams railways: was pictures of trams in Montreal in the 1950's In-Reply-To: <00af01c84b25$9ce5d400$0dc20b52@intrepid> References: <00af01c84b25$9ce5d400$0dc20b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <47782010.2050603@xplornet.com> Check out if you like tram railways. many of these are operational. Or, assess the link from Rupert Dave Croft wrote: > I have a Belgian friend who has given me access to the Belgian news groups. > Someone has posted 20 pictures of trams in Montreal, Canada in the 1950's. > As the newsgroup isn't easily accessible I have put the pictures on my Webshots site > in case they are of interest to other engine men. > (If you are crazy enough to love engines you might be crazy enough to like old trams) 8^) > see http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561943771iQGGlk > Happy New Year to everybody!! > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Dec 30 15:50:46 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:50:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071231014452.00bbce00@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Why is the Charity Auction called the ATIS Charity Auction ? I do not see much stuff from the FATG's - it should be called the SEL Charity Auction !! (Just a joke - do not reply). There are some really nice Maytag decals there and now some Wolseley stuff which may be of interest to the Aussies or Brits. (:-)) Look Here: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 28/12/2007 11:51 AM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 16:00:24 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:00:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Neat English Engine Recovery Tale In-Reply-To: <1199035730.4777d5527a6cc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <584156.13338.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone have an engine similar to this one that says, "METZ." across the top? I sure would love to have one. I have the rear drive parts for a Metz car and lots of pictures of this easy to build car. The flywheel on a Metz engine is the friction plate that my parts will mate to. Then a couple pieces of channel iron and a wooden car from there. It would be a very fun project if I could just find that engine. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: Hiya Folks, Y'all might enjoy this engine recovery tale from the English Newsgroup. Great pics as well. http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_frm/thread/231d8c27ae32666e?hl=en-GB http://www.tangye.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2637 See ya, Arnie PS - It's never too late to make a donation to the Internal Fire Museum. http://www.internalfire.com/index.php Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 17:14:04 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:14:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Trams railways: was pictures of trams in Montreal in the 1950's In-Reply-To: <47782010.2050603@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <596951.50620.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very nice, Rupert, Buddy. It is great to see all they are doing to preserve those cars. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Rupert wrote: Check out if you like tram railways. many of these are operational. Or, assess the link from Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Dec 30 17:43:26 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:43:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! Message-ID: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. http://www2.steamengine.com.au/NK2.jpg This is powered by a 20hp Kohler two cylinder engine and drives the trolley through a gearbox (salvaged from a power boat). Final drive to the axles is by chain and sprocket. Of our collection, this little trolley is probably the most fun to drive and certainly the best in really hot weather. Today is expected to be 43C (approx 110F) and at 11.25 is already at 37C (approx 99F) here in Emerald Victoria so the 43C does seem plausible. Tonights train will also be a crankup - because it is has been declared Extreme Fire Danger a Total Fire Ban is in force here today so the railway is running diesels instead of the usual steam hauled services. Tonight's train is likely to be hauled by DH31 an ex Queensland Railways diesel locomotive. In this sort of weather I'm torn between attending my rostered volunteer job and staying home to look after the house in case of bushfire. Sigh. What a choice... I've activated my fire plan and put out all the water drums and the mops and brought the garden hose inside and hooked it up to the washing machine tap. I haven't put the bung plugs into the rain gutters and filled them up yet - I usually only do that if there is a burn going locally - big waste of water otherwise. More info: Puffing Billy http://www.puffingbilly.com.au/ Watch a video of DH31 in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpAHUSTxmp0# What is a Total Fire Ban? http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/restrictions/index.htm Regards Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 18:01:48 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:01:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloodyHOT here! References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <001701c84b51$1ad303d0$0701a8c0@KAYE> Yep, 1 second past midnight Kaye's Maytag will be running, yes Dave you read correct, as it starts first kick. ;-)) Peter, Oz > I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a > special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own > engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. > > http://www2.steamengine.com.au/NK2.jpg > > This is powered by a 20hp Kohler two cylinder engine and drives the > trolley through a gearbox (salvaged from a power boat). Final drive to > the axles is by chain and sprocket. Of our collection, this little > trolley is probably the most fun to drive and certainly the best in > really hot weather. Today is expected to be 43C (approx 110F) and at > 11.25 is already at 37C (approx 99F) here in Emerald Victoria so the 43C > does seem plausible. > > Tonights train will also be a crankup - because it is has been declared > Extreme Fire Danger a Total Fire Ban is in force here today so the > railway is running diesels instead of the usual steam hauled services. > Tonight's train is likely to be hauled by DH31 an ex Queensland Railways > diesel locomotive. > > In this sort of weather I'm torn between attending my rostered volunteer > job and staying home to look after the house in case of bushfire. Sigh. > What a choice... I've activated my fire plan and put out all the water > drums and the mops and brought the garden hose inside and hooked it up > to the washing machine tap. I haven't put the bung plugs into the rain > gutters and filled them up yet - I usually only do that if there is a > burn going locally - big waste of water otherwise. > > More info: > Puffing Billy http://www.puffingbilly.com.au/ > Watch a video of DH31 in action > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpAHUSTxmp0# > What is a Total Fire Ban? http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/restrictions/index.htm > > Regards > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 18:53:09 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:53:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000301c84b58$47219e90$0601a8c0@altech> testing for someone here in oz From twoferals at yahoo.com.au Sun Dec 30 18:56:00 2007 From: twoferals at yahoo.com.au (twoferals) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:56:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] plowe test Message-ID: <47785A40.1090509@yahoo.com.au> hello testy peter From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Sun Dec 30 19:10:57 2007 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:10:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test References: <000301c84b58$47219e90$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <004401c84b5a$c3693150$0300000a@Andy> Can hear you here in Townsville. Andy Nicholson Townsville Qld OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: [SEL] test > testing for someone here in oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 30 19:13:08 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:13:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test References: <000301c84b58$47219e90$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <018b01c84b5b$1208c190$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Is it catching? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: [SEL] test > testing for someone here in oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: > 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 30 19:13:53 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:13:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] plowe test References: <47785A40.1090509@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <019001c84b5b$2caafe50$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Now, that is. You better see a doctor. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "twoferals" To: "SEL" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: [SEL] plowe test > hello testy peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: > 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 19:26:09 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:26:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] plowe test References: <47785A40.1090509@yahoo.com.au> <019001c84b5b$2caafe50$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <001a01c84b5c$e3253500$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Skip I have a new member with problems with LIST posts, trying to help Peter, Oz > Now, that is. You better see a doctor. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "twoferals" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:56 PM > Subject: [SEL] plowe test > > >> hello testy peter >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: >> 12/30/2007 11:27 AM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 30 19:28:28 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:28:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test - help wanted References: <000301c84b58$47219e90$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001d01c84b5d$362c1700$0601a8c0@altech> Re: The test email sent to ATIS Hi Guys, I had a phone call from a "Newbie" collector here in Oz who as it turns out is just across the river from me, about 10kms way. His name is Allan Harris and email is twoferals at yahoo.com.au please make him welcome. Allan is having trouble with post from the SEL, they do not always come back to him, there is a message in the sender line that says: cell-bounce at lists.stantionary-engine.com or something like that. What does this mean ??? We both did a test a short while ago and all worked ??? but no all the time. Also Allan is after information / parts etc for a 1 1/2HP "Z" Fairbanks Morse, can anyone help in Oz or USA please, we want to keep these new guys in the hobby and keen ;-)) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 19:32:18 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:32:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] FM Z - a two headed beast ?????? In-Reply-To: <477759D3.6060202@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <450749.30263.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Al, Got pictures? Alan twoferals wrote: To whom it may concern, or whoever wants to go to the trouble, We start with the carcus and internals of a 1.5HP Z model. We have no carby, no gov gear and no maggy. The question is:- can this be made into a "hit & miss" or a "throttle governed" engine just by bolting on the appropriate parts (ac/dc), or, is there something hiding in this carcus that I am oblivious too, that will only allow it to lean one way (ac or dc). TIA Al _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 30 19:45:15 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:45:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] plowe test References: <47785A40.1090509@yahoo.com.au><019001c84b5b$2caafe50$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <001a01c84b5c$e3253500$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <01bf01c84b5f$8e3455f0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Well, boy I am sure glad he's getting help. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] plowe test > Hi Skip > I have a new member with problems with LIST posts, trying to help > > Peter, Oz > > > > > >> Now, that is. You better see a doctor. >> Skip >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "twoferals" >> To: "SEL" >> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:56 PM >> Subject: [SEL] plowe test >> >> >>> hello testy peter >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: >>> 12/30/2007 11:27 AM >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: > 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Dec 30 20:15:06 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:15:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update In-Reply-To: <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> Message-ID: <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Thanks for all the nice comments about our cider mill restoration. It was a great project and it having been in the family makes it especially rewarding. Both my kids have completed 10 years each in 4-H where our local 4-H association has a project called Americana. The Americana project encourages kids to display a antique in one of many categories ranging from household items to farm equipment in either original condition or restored. It's purpose is to help the kids develop an appreciation for their heritage. With my dad and I collecting old engines, tractors etc. my kids have taken on many projects around the barn with the cider mill being the last. It ends up being a family project with my dad, son, wife and friends pitching in to assist in the projects. It is a terrific learning experience for the kids. On this particular project we milled the lumber on our sawmill from logs cut on family property. We dried the lumber in our wood kiln. Then we machined the wood parts in our workshop. About the only thing we farmed out was the cleaning of the metal parts. These we took to a local company called Redi-strip that dips the parts in a vat of chemicals. When they come back they look like they just came from the foundry. From there we worked on repairing the broken or worn parts, painted and reassembled the parts. It's would be hard to list all the different skills Isaac learned, or was at least exposed to , on a project like this. We still plan to cast a couple of minor internal parts and add some pin striping but I'm as proud of Isaac and this mill as about any other project we have taken on. Someone asked about the log structure in the background. That's another one of our restoration project. It is a log house that was originally built in 1840. We tore it down and moved it and rebuilt it behind my parents house. My wife and I lived in it for the first year and a half of our marriage. Here is a web page with more of the details: http://www.herculesengines.com/logcabin/logcabin.html If anyone is in the area and needs a place to spend a night or two let me know. The cabin us usually available and it is only 50 or so feet away from the barns that house our treasures. We like sharing it with like minded folks. I'm not sure if we will be taking this mill to any shows. I'd love to but it's not the easiest thing to haul around and we would need lots of water for cleanup if we were to make cider at a show. Anybody have any experience with this sort of thing? Thanks for looking and for all the nice complements. Keith PS: Here are some of our other 4-H Americana project if you're interested. http://www.herculesengines.com/NewAdditions/default.htm http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/ http://www.herculesengines.com/mills/Default.htm Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sun Dec 30 20:34:21 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:34:21 +1300 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <003701c84b66$6a6b8d80$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Keith your son really excelled at this project very fortunate to have supportive parents to encourage him what a great idea as a school project restoring old machinery it helps to build confidence in there own ability and hopefully a life time interest in vintage machinery its great to when they work thru the whole project from start to completion.I think it will motivate him on to other projects etc.thanks for sharing your experiences enjoyed reading your article brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: ; ; ; Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update > Thanks for all the nice comments about our cider mill > restoration. It was a great project and it having been in the family > makes it especially rewarding. > > Both my kids have completed 10 years each in 4-H where our local 4-H > association has a project called Americana. The Americana project > encourages kids to display a antique in one of many categories > ranging from household items to farm equipment in either original > condition or restored. It's purpose is to help the kids develop an > appreciation for their heritage. With my dad and I collecting old > engines, tractors etc. my kids have taken on many projects around the > barn with the cider mill being the last. It ends up being a family > project with my dad, son, wife and friends pitching in to assist in > the projects. It is a terrific learning experience for the kids. On > this particular project we milled the lumber on our sawmill from logs > cut on family property. We dried the lumber in our wood kiln. Then > we machined the wood parts in our workshop. About the only thing we > farmed out was the cleaning of the metal parts. These we took to a > local company called Redi-strip that dips the parts in a vat of > chemicals. When they come back they look like they just came from the > foundry. From there we worked on repairing the broken or worn parts, > painted and reassembled the parts. It's would be hard to list all > the different skills Isaac learned, or was at least exposed to , on a > project like this. We still plan to cast a couple of minor internal > parts and add some pin striping but I'm as proud of Isaac and this > mill as about any other project we have taken on. > > Someone asked about the log structure in the background. That's > another one of our restoration project. It is a log house that was > originally built in 1840. We tore it down and moved it and rebuilt it > behind my parents house. My wife and I lived in it for the first > year and a half of our marriage. Here is a web page with more of the details: > http://www.herculesengines.com/logcabin/logcabin.html > If anyone is in the area and needs a place to spend a night or two > let me know. The cabin us usually available and it is only 50 or so > feet away from the barns that house our treasures. We like sharing > it with like minded folks. > > I'm not sure if we will be taking this mill to any shows. I'd love > to but it's not the easiest thing to haul around and we would need > lots of water for cleanup if we were to make cider at a > show. Anybody have any experience with this sort of thing? > > Thanks for looking and for all the nice complements. > > Keith > > PS: Here are some of our other 4-H Americana project if you're interested. > http://www.herculesengines.com/NewAdditions/default.htm > http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/ > http://www.herculesengines.com/mills/Default.htm > > > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun Dec 30 20:40:59 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:40:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] test - help wanted In-Reply-To: <001d01c84b5d$362c1700$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c84b58$47219e90$0601a8c0@altech> <001d01c84b5d$362c1700$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <477872DB.4070404@xplornet.com> Hello Peter, His message came here so it got out. Which model of Z engine does he have? Rupert Peter Lowe wrote: > Re: The test email sent to ATIS > > Hi Guys, I had a phone call from a "Newbie" collector here in Oz who as it > turns out is just across the river from me, about 10kms way. > His name is Allan Harris and email is twoferals at yahoo.com.au please make him > welcome. > > Allan is having trouble with post from the SEL, they do not always come back > to him, there is a message in the sender line that says: > cell-bounce at lists.stantionary-engine.com or something like that. What does > this mean ??? > > We both did a test a short while ago and all worked ??? but no all the time. > > Also Allan is after information / parts etc for a 1 1/2HP "Z" Fairbanks > Morse, can anyone help in Oz or USA please, we want to keep these new guys > in the hobby and keen ;-)) > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Dec 30 20:47:00 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:47:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <1198947870.47767e1e71a3e@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <1198947870.47767e1e71a3e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <200712302347488.SM01492@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Hello all. Thanks for all the reply and suggestions. I'm sure a new flywheel could be cast but, the cost of casting and finding a machine shop with big enough equipment to machine the wheel would be difficult and cost prohibitive. I'm also sure a good welding shop could weld the pieces back together. But, I'm not sure I would ever fill comfortable running it in public. It was a blessing no one was hurt. If that engine had fallen on someone who know what the injuries would have been. Now for the good news. This is a common enough engine that I have had 3 different people contact me about replacement flywheels. :-) With any luck I'm sure at least one of these will pan out and we'll have a running engine by next summer. :-) :-) And Arnie, I too thought this would make a good bolt on flywheel weight. I think a few hours with a grinder and all remnants of those spokes will be gone. A year or two out in the weather and it will look as good as any 100+ year old flywheel weight should. ;-) As far as how to prevent something like this from happening in the future. Yes, a big part of the problem is the narrow spacing of the skids. I have a set of trucks from a hay wagon that I plan to mount this engine on. It will make it easier to move around and provide a wide wheelbase to prevent tipping. Thanks for all your suggestions and comments. I'll let you'all know how things turn out. Keith Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 20:48:40 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:48:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] FM Z - a two headed beast ?????? In-Reply-To: <477759D3.6060202@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <948268.1613.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi again, Al. I was a bit busy when I replied earlier. I see Peter says you are having trouble getting SEL emails so I also sending this direct to you. The reason it would be best to see pictures is because the FBM Z engines came in so many different models. I have a 1916-1918 ?? 1 1/2 HP Hit-n-Miss Z that is headless. Then I am not sure what year it is,,,, but setting out there in the snow is a 6HP FBM Z that is throttle governed. Then there is the 1 1/2 HP Z style D. This is a much different enclosed crank FBM Z. Or the 1 1/2 HP FBM Dishpan flywheel engines. Please let me know if you are not able to send me a picture. I am sure I could find pixs of all these engines already on-line. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, michigan twoferals wrote: To whom it may concern, or whoever wants to go to the trouble, We start with the carcus and internals of a 1.5HP Z model. We have no carby, no gov gear and no maggy. The question is:- can this be made into a "hit & miss" or a "throttle governed" engine just by bolting on the appropriate parts (ac/dc), or, is there something hiding in this carcus that I am oblivious too, that will only allow it to lean one way (ac or dc). TIA Al _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Dec 30 20:51:41 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:51:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update In-Reply-To: <003701c84b66$6a6b8d80$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <003701c84b66$6a6b8d80$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <200712302351156.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Thanks Brent. I don't know what the future holds for Isaac and this hobby but I do know he has and appreciation for what it takes to restore a project like this and with any luck after college and girls maybe he'll settle down and join us in the workshop for some more fun projects. Keith At 10:34 PM 12/30/2007, you wrote: >brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 22:02:30 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:02:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] test - help wanted In-Reply-To: <477872DB.4070404@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <944274.58969.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is one like this on one of Steve Barr's auction reports. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007VirginiaIL/47.jpg Here is a before picture of Al's engine. http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/AlsFBM.jpg Here is a picture of it as it is now. http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/AlsFBM2.jpg Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Rupert wrote: Hello Peter, His message came here so it got out. Which model of Z engine does he have? Rupert Peter Lowe wrote: > Re: The test email sent to ATIS > > Hi Guys, I had a phone call from a "Newbie" collector here in Oz who as it > turns out is just across the river from me, about 10kms way. > His name is Allan Harris and email is twoferals at yahoo.com.au please make him > welcome. > > Allan is having trouble with post from the SEL, they do not always come back > to him, there is a message in the sender line that says: > cell-bounce at lists.stantionary-engine.com or something like that. What does > this mean ??? > > We both did a test a short while ago and all worked ??? but no all the time. > > Also Allan is after information / parts etc for a 1 1/2HP "Z" Fairbanks > Morse, can anyone help in Oz or USA please, we want to keep these new guys > in the hobby and keen ;-)) > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Dec 30 22:05:19 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:05:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test - help wanted In-Reply-To: <477872DB.4070404@xplornet.com> References: <000301c84b58$47219e90$0601a8c0@altech> <001d01c84b5d$362c1700$0601a8c0@altech> <477872DB.4070404@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4778869F.7010401@steamengine.com.au> All messages come to the sender from sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com - this is the address of the list on the list server. Paul Rupert wrote: >> Allan is having trouble with post from the SEL, they do not always come back >> to him, there is a message in the sender line that says: >> cell-bounce at lists.stantionary-engine.com or something like that. What does >> this mean ??? >> >> From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Mon Dec 31 00:46:27 2007 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:46:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates References: <20071230111138.SOOX25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000a01c84b89$a1d5df50$4101a8c0@amd> Hi Patrick, The Nuenen show will be on May 11&12. I'm sure you'll like this show although there won't be lots of R&V's;-) However if you come to Nuenen I make sure there will be at least one R&V running at the show. Harry Terpstra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:11 PM Subject: [SEL] European Rally Dates > For no particular reason ;) > Can anyone tell me the dates for the 1000 Engine Rally in the UK & the > Nuenen Rally in Holland next year? > Thanks, > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Dec 31 01:31:33 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:31:33 +1300 Subject: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <003701c84b66$6a6b8d80$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <200712302351156.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <002c01c84b8f$eef59ea0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Keith sounds as if you guys have lots of projects up your sleeve i find if you enjoy restoration of old machinery it normally spreads over to other areas i started with an old ride on from there i went to old vintage reel mowers/stationary engines then shearing gear then saws now old tools,pickups now trucks. Its just fun seeing something of no practical use or worth transformed into something useful valuable and beautiful . Part of lifes journey is to make the world a better place having past through...to leave something as a reminder its like capturing a piece of time a photograph of the past so that the next generation can learn,enjoy, reflect and understand a little about the machines and the lives of those who went before us.. brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Cider Mill update > Thanks Brent. I don't know what the future holds for Isaac and this > hobby but I do know he has and appreciation for what it takes to > restore a project like this and with any luck after college and girls > maybe he'll settle down and join us in the workshop for some more fun projects. > Keith > > > > > At 10:34 PM 12/30/2007, you wrote: > >brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Dec 31 01:50:45 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:50:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SEL List References: <47786DCE.7090000@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <003401c84b92$9dbc9770$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Allan Harris (twoferals) sent me this below. I have never bothered to look into the workings of ATIS or the SEL but it looks like we have a Digest Group and a Non-Digest Group, is that correct. The Digest Group getting a single email once a day with all the days post in it or something like that, is that correct??? and the Non-Digest Group getting each post as a separate email when it is sent. Also, can we do a "WHO" on SEL to see who has subscribed like we could at stationary-engine at indiana.edu in the dark good old days. It still could be Allan's server, will look into it for him. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > G'day Peter, > > I looked up the two lists that I eluded too earlier and they are headed > thus: > * > *311 Non-digested Members of SEL: 117 Digested Members of SEL: > > > You and I are both in the Non list, so that can't be the cause of me not > seeing my own posts. > > I have received answers from Skip, Alan, and Andy. Very strange eh. > > Cheers, > Al > From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Dec 31 02:59:25 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:59:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloodyHOT here! Message-ID: <123120071059.17445.4778CB8D00084A3400004425219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Now Peter everyone knows that Maytags don't count as a real mans engine! The lest you can do is pull out one of your 2hp plain jane R&V's......... Happy New Year mate. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloodyHOT here! Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:04:50 +0000 > Yep, 1 second past midnight Kaye's Maytag will be running, yes Dave you read > correct, as it starts first kick. ;-)) > > Peter, Oz > > > > > > > I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a > > special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own > > engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. > > > > http://www2.steamengine.com.au/NK2.jpg > > > > This is powered by a 20hp Kohler two cylinder engine and drives the > > trolley through a gearbox (salvaged from a power boat). Final drive to > > the axles is by chain and sprocket. Of our collection, this little > > trolley is probably the most fun to drive and certainly the best in > > really hot weather. Today is expected to be 43C (approx 110F) and at > > 11.25 is already at 37C (approx 99F) here in Emerald Victoria so the 43C > > does seem plausible. > > > > Tonights train will also be a crankup - because it is has been declared > > Extreme Fire Danger a Total Fire Ban is in force here today so the > > railway is running diesels instead of the usual steam hauled services. > > Tonight's train is likely to be hauled by DH31 an ex Queensland Railways > > diesel locomotive. > > > > In this sort of weather I'm torn between attending my rostered volunteer > > job and staying home to look after the house in case of bushfire. Sigh. > > What a choice... I've activated my fire plan and put out all the water > > drums and the mops and brought the garden hose inside and hooked it up > > to the washing machine tap. I haven't put the bung plugs into the rain > > gutters and filled them up yet - I usually only do that if there is a > > burn going locally - big waste of water otherwise. > > > > More info: > > Puffing Billy http://www.puffingbilly.com.au/ > > Watch a video of DH31 in action > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpAHUSTxmp0# > > What is a Total Fire Ban? http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/restrictions/index.htm > > > > Regards > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Dec 31 06:41:00 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:41:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20071231114102.D15E2229924@md5.pennswoods.net> Happy New Year to All R Fink PA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Dec 31 04:56:28 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:56:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New year Message-ID: <001101c84bac$933e9770$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Well friends, here, the year of 07 has minutes to live. I want to take a moment to thank you all for the effort you have put into the last year to make turning on the puter, a worthwhile thing to do. Now, lets all try and make 08 a year to truly enjoy and remember. I value the friendship I have found beyond all I ever could have asked for. Happy New Year mates! Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Dec 31 05:00:16 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:00:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz and first crankup. Message-ID: <000801c84bad$172f4b60$0601a8c0@altech> Happy New Year to all at ATIS & Oldengine.org Here is our New Years Crankup message from my Grand Daughter, Morgan, and way past her bed time. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/newyear2008.htm Yes Dave, the 72 is running, Morgan was not impressed at midnight with two stroke fumes and the wind from the flywheel fan blowing her hair, women I just don't understand them ;-)) !!!!! My mate just rang tonight at 11.15pm and has given me a complete engine running, for free, a 2hp Cooper H&M open crank, does this make it the first engine into a collection for 2008? I think it is something like this one, I have seen it before but can't remember the model, will collect it when I get my R&V parts at the end of January. http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/guildford_vic_1999/pics/cooper_tc_little_wonder.jpg Take care all and happy collecting, Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From jbcast at charter.net Mon Dec 31 05:42:09 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 5:42:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New year In-Reply-To: <001101c84bac$933e9770$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <20071231084209.QEMZW.309538.root@fepweb12> Happy new year to you too, Reg, we have16 hrs. of 07 left. J.B. Castagnos From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 31 06:35:19 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:35:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz and first crankup. In-Reply-To: <000801c84bad$172f4b60$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000801c84bad$172f4b60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: Hello Peter, This borders on CHILD ABUSE. But since I like you I will not report it this time. However, I warn you that with the new laws you have in OZ (see: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/31/2129471.htm) this sort of thing will no longer be taken lightly by officials in your great country! Dave PS, Happy New year! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 31, 2007, at 8:00 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Happy New Year to all at ATIS & Oldengine.org > > Here is our New Years Crankup message from my Grand Daughter, > Morgan, and > way past her bed time. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/newyear2008.htm > > Yes Dave, the 72 is running, Morgan was not impressed at midnight > with two > stroke fumes and the wind from the flywheel fan blowing her hair, > women I > just don't understand them ;-)) !!!!! > > My mate just rang tonight at 11.15pm and has given me a complete > engine > running, for free, a 2hp Cooper H&M open crank, does this make it the > first engine into a collection for 2008? > I think it is something like this one, I have seen it before but can't > remember the model, will collect it when I get my R&V parts at the > end of > January. > http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/guildford_vic_1999/ > pics/cooper_tc_little_wonder.jpg > Take care all and happy collecting, > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Dec 31 07:32:03 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:32:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New year In-Reply-To: <001101c84bac$933e9770$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Reg, Marg and all our other Ozzies: Happy New Year! Y'all had a nice fireworks display. Saw some of it on the TeeVee. My New Year's resolution is to not use up any more of fair my share of air. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of R & M > Ingold > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 06:56 AM > To: Slick Willy Mailing List; oldengine list; List SEL > Subject: [SEL] New year > > > Well friends, here, the year of 07 has minutes to live. > I want to take a moment to thank you all for the > effort you have put into > the last year to make turning on the puter, a > worthwhile thing to do. > Now, lets all try and make 08 a year to truly > enjoy and remember. > I value the friendship I have found beyond all I > ever could have asked for. > Happy New Year mates! > Reg. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 31 08:16:03 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:16:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] How not to load and engine....Flywheel needed. In-Reply-To: <200712302347488.SM01492@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419100755.04f94eb0@mail.alltel.net> <200712281822511.SM03564@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <1198947870.47767e1e71a3e@webmail.city-net.com> <200712302347488.SM01492@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Hi Keith, The next time that you're at Coolspring, stroll through the half-breed pavilion. They have several engines with bolt-on weight rings. My dream is to find a three-piece stacked set that fits my Bessemer / Farrier & Trefts half-breed. I'll settle for just a single ring; but I don't want to go as far as you did to make one. 8-)) See ya and HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and the family!! See ya, Arnie On Sun, 30 Dec 2007, Keith Kinney wrote: > And Arnie, I too thought this would make a good bolt on flywheel > weight. I think a few hours with a grinder and all remnants of those > spokes will be gone. A year or two out in the weather and it will > look as good as any 100+ year old flywheel weight should. ;-) From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Dec 31 07:25:51 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:25:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year Message-ID: <20071231.103607.860.9.jlb94@juno.com> Happy New Year to all. Her Majesty & I will be spending it in the back yard around a small camp fire. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all." From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 31 08:51:33 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:51:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz and first crankup. In-Reply-To: <000801c84bad$172f4b60$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000801c84bad$172f4b60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: G'day Peter, A "running Maytag"? You have CLEARLY been too deep into the holiday cheer mate. No smoke, no blurred flywheels. Mate that's a STATIONARY Maytag motor. Morgan, OTOH, is cute as a bug's ear. LOVE those dimples!! You should make a New Year's resolution to get that sweet little kid a REAL engine! Maybe that 2hp Cooper H&M open crank your mate just gave you? See ya, Arnie PS - 13 hours till midnight here in the 'burgh. On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > Here is our New Years Crankup message from my Grand Daughter, Morgan, and > way past her bed time. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/newyear2008.htm > > Yes Dave, the 72 is running, Morgan was not impressed at midnight with two > stroke fumes and the wind from the flywheel fan blowing her hair, women I > just don't understand them ;-)) !!!!! > > My mate just rang tonight at 11.15pm and has given me a complete engine > running, for free, a 2hp Cooper H&M open crank, does this make it the > first engine into a collection for 2008? From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 31 08:15:21 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:15:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Spam> Santa was good to me - Clark Airborne Dozer - Long In-Reply-To: <200712310102617.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <200712310102617.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: > So that's the story for now. We started by getting 2 tractors that > were over 2500 miles from home and ended up with a nicer one just 2 > miles from home that we'd first seen some 30 or so years ago. > > Keith What a GREAT X-mas present Keith. Now if you can talk Isaac into restoring it for you, you will have a GREAT show piece! Dave From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Dec 31 08:07:28 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:07:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! In-Reply-To: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> Happy New Year everyone. It was a good thing that we ran a fire patrol today. As expected the diesel caused no fires at all, but an arsonist had set the 50' high trestle bridge alight with fireworks (by pointing them down into the ballast next to sleepers). I was able to put out the fires by digging out the ballast then using the fire pump on the trolley. I put a lot of water into it before it was extinguished fully. Police attended and to my amazement actually caught a bloke who was hiding in the bushes lineside watching. At least our CEO will remember my name now! I get the dubious honour of submitting the first Incident/Defect Report for 2008. Regards Paul Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a > special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own > engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 08:45:09 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:45:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! In-Reply-To: <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <510256.51303.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WOW, Paul. It is really great that you were there on fire patrol. Who woulda thunk all that would happen???? Truly a New Years event to remember. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan 12 hours 15 minutes to 2008 here. Paul Pavlinovich wrote: Happy New Year everyone. It was a good thing that we ran a fire patrol today. As expected the diesel caused no fires at all, but an arsonist had set the 50' high trestle bridge alight with fireworks (by pointing them down into the ballast next to sleepers). I was able to put out the fires by digging out the ballast then using the fire pump on the trolley. I put a lot of water into it before it was extinguished fully. Police attended and to my amazement actually caught a bloke who was hiding in the bushes lineside watching. At least our CEO will remember my name now! I get the dubious honour of submitting the first Incident/Defect Report for 2008. Regards Paul Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a > special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own > engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. > > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon Dec 31 10:52:20 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:52:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] test - help wanted In-Reply-To: <944274.58969.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <944274.58969.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47793A64.1010309@xplornet.com> I have a 1 1/2hp FB that looks like this one except mine is a brownish color. My son-in-law has one that appears to be the same except his has dishpan type flywheels. Rupert Alan Bowen wrote: > It is one like this on one of Steve Barr's auction reports. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007VirginiaIL/47.jpg > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From DOUBLE-D-66 at PRODIGY.NET Mon Dec 31 11:24:56 2007 From: DOUBLE-D-66 at PRODIGY.NET (DOUBLE-D-66 at PRODIGY.NET) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:24:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year Message-ID: Happy New year to all , Hey joe are you going to make any mountain pies and saliami and cheese ? If you do I hope you think of us . Happy New Year all from the Davis Family . From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 31 13:40:24 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:40:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] plowe test In-Reply-To: <01bf01c84b5f$8e3455f0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <47785A40.1090509@yahoo.com.au><019001c84b5b$2caafe50$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <001a01c84b5c$e3253500$0601a8c0@altech> <01bf01c84b5f$8e3455f0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <1CCA5F70-6245-4CDB-B6AB-119A9FD6F27E@alltel.net> SOME people in OZ believe that MAYTAG MOTORS run. They REALLY need HELP! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 30, 2007, at 10:45 PM, Skip Cleveland wrote: > Well, boy I am sure glad he's getting help. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] plowe test > > >> Hi Skip >> I have a new member with problems with LIST posts, trying to help >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> >> >>> Now, that is. You better see a doctor. >>> Skip >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "twoferals" >>> To: "SEL" >>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:56 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] plowe test >>> >>> >>>> hello testy peter >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: >>>> 12/30/2007 11:27 AM >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: >> 12/30/2007 11:27 AM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Dec 31 13:47:53 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:47:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year In-Reply-To: <20071231.103607.860.9.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20071231.103607.860.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071231163840.03093d60@pop3.wcoil.com> We have just over 7 hours left of 07 here and we want to Wish You ALL, those already in 08 and those still in 07 a Happy New Year. My resolution for 08 is to help reduce my potential carbon foot print by not drinking so much Black Velvet that the distillerys are forced to expand. But not till the Second. Cheers!!! Mark, Christine and Stephanie Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 15:08:12 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:08:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] SEL List In-Reply-To: <003401c84b92$9dbc9770$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <233940.28356.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter, Does he get other list emails and the only ones he doesn't get are the ones HE send to the SEL? Al, Did you get THIS email. I might have an answer,,,,, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Peter Lowe wrote: Hi all Allan Harris (twoferals) sent me this below. I have never bothered to look into the workings of ATIS or the SEL but it looks like we have a Digest Group and a Non-Digest Group, is that correct. The Digest Group getting a single email once a day with all the days post in it or something like that, is that correct??? and the Non-Digest Group getting each post as a separate email when it is sent. Also, can we do a "WHO" on SEL to see who has subscribed like we could at stationary-engine at indiana.edu in the dark good old days. It still could be Allan's server, will look into it for him. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > G'day Peter, > > I looked up the two lists that I eluded too earlier and they are headed > thus: > * > *311 Non-digested Members of SEL: 117 Digested Members of SEL: > > > You and I are both in the Non list, so that can't be the cause of me not > seeing my own posts. > > I have received answers from Skip, Alan, and Andy. Very strange eh. > > Cheers, > Al > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Dec 31 15:15:24 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 12:15:24 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <00be01c84c03$05f11e40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Paul well done putting the potential fire out that could have been life threatning just as well you were there..Cant reason the logic behind stupidity.Does that mean you will be promoted to chief fire officier could be a good reason to buy a vintage fire truck ? brentnz ---- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! > Happy New Year everyone. It was a good thing that we ran a fire patrol > today. As expected the diesel caused no fires at all, but an arsonist > had set the 50' high trestle bridge alight with fireworks (by pointing > them down into the ballast next to sleepers). I was able to put out the > fires by digging out the ballast then using the fire pump on the > trolley. I put a lot of water into it before it was extinguished fully. > > Police attended and to my amazement actually caught a bloke who was > hiding in the bushes lineside watching. > > At least our CEO will remember my name now! I get the dubious honour of > submitting the first Incident/Defect Report for 2008. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > > I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a > > special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own > > engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Dec 31 16:11:19 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:11:19 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000f01c84c0a$d92f0360$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Paul..........I would suggest that the '' Bloke '' be hung up by the balls!Then locked for life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! > Happy New Year everyone. It was a good thing that we ran a fire patrol > today. As expected the diesel caused no fires at all, but an arsonist > had set the 50' high trestle bridge alight with fireworks (by pointing > them down into the ballast next to sleepers). I was able to put out the > fires by digging out the ballast then using the fire pump on the > trolley. I put a lot of water into it before it was extinguished fully. > > Police attended and to my amazement actually caught a bloke who was > hiding in the bushes lineside watching. > > At least our CEO will remember my name now! I get the dubious honour of > submitting the first Incident/Defect Report for 2008. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Pavlinovich wrote: >> I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a >> special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own >> engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Dec 31 16:17:54 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:17:54 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year Message-ID: <001d01c84c0b$c10bb3e0$6fcc6d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Everyone, It's ten minutes into the new year and I would like to wish everyone on the list a very happy and prosperous new year . And who knows it is possible that I may meet some of you in 2008. Cheers, Craig in Scotland From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Dec 31 16:33:28 2007 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:33:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Santa was good to me - Clark Airborne Dozer - Long In-Reply-To: References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <200712310102617.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <200712311933920.SM05908@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Yes, it was a great Christmas present. But, I don't think Isaac will be much restoring for a while his is off to college. As far as a great show piece goes I'm thinking that the picture that is about 1/2 way down on this link with the Jeep, trailer and dozer would be the way to show it. http://www.syltech.net/gallery2.htm Anybody know where I can get a WWII army jeep? :-) Keith At 10:15 AM 12/31/2007, you wrote: > > So that's the story for now. We started by getting 2 tractors that > > were over 2500 miles from home and ended up with a nicer one just 2 > > miles from home that we'd first seen some 30 or so years ago. > > > > Keith > >What a GREAT X-mas present Keith. Now if you can talk Isaac into >restoring it for you, you will have a GREAT show piece! > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: >12/30/2007 11:27 AM Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Dec 31 17:46:55 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:46:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20071231163840.03093d60@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Gang: Happy New Year! I celebrated about twelve hours early today by making smoke on a newly restored 1922 1-1/2 HP Fairbanks-Morse Z with AB33 oscillating mag. I've stuck a photogiraffe of me and the engine on my web page. I did it early 'cause us Geezers can't be depended upon to stay awake all the way to midnight! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 31 18:00:43 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:00:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Santa was good to me - Clark Airborne Dozer - Long In-Reply-To: <200712311933920.SM05908@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> References: <200712281845494.SM03840@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <4777AB01.8060808@alltel.net> <200712302315966.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <200712310102617.SM06040@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> <200712311933920.SM05908@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <53AC95E9-F72E-4DCC-92A3-97D30990757A@alltel.net> WOW! Those pictures bring back a lot of memories! When the USA started dropping those the JAPS were still on the offensive. Those dozers did a lot to help us win the war against the JAPS! I can remember watching the drops on the "news" at the Saturday afternoon double feature movie! Dave PS, Too bad that Truman did not have 6 more bombs! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 31, 2007, at 7:33 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > Yes, it was a great Christmas present. But, I don't think Isaac will > be much restoring for a while his is off to college. > As far as a great show piece goes I'm thinking that the picture that > is about 1/2 way down on this link with the Jeep, trailer and dozer > would be the way to show it. > http://www.syltech.net/gallery2.htm Anybody know where I can get a > WWII army jeep? :-) > Keith From alharris44 at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 18:41:19 2007 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:41:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SEL List In-Reply-To: <233940.28356.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <233940.28356.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4779A84F.5060006@gmail.com> Yeah mate, I'm here in 2008. I found the answer late last night Alan, thanks. There is a choice in the SEL config page that allows you to set whether you get your own emails or not. Mine was set at "No", probably the "default". I'll be watching to see if I get this post. ;-) Anyhoo I've changed my addy for SEL to: > alharris44 at gmail.com Oh, I've signed up for Photobucket too, thanks for the prod pard. :-) BTW the info that I've gathered so far on the FM-Z carcus is that it could be setup as a Throttle governed or Manual governed (as in this bad pic). > http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/man-gov.jpg There is also a pretty extensive 1.8MB catalogue that list the parts for the different builds at: > http://www.hitnmiss.com/catalog.html Back to the garage. Cheers, Al Alan Bowen wrote: > Peter, > Does he get other list emails and the only ones he doesn't get are the ones HE send to the SEL? > > Al, > Did you get THIS email. > > I might have an answer,,,,, > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > From alharris44 at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 18:42:14 2007 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:42:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4779A886.5050203@gmail.com> What can I say ? Love to see and hear it. Video ??? Happy New Year, Al Harris Elden DuRand wrote: > Gang: > > Happy New Year! > > I celebrated about twelve hours early today by making smoke on a newly restored 1922 1-1/2 HP Fairbanks-Morse Z with AB33 oscillating mag. I've stuck a photogiraffe of me and the engine on my web page. > > I did it early 'cause us Geezers can't be depended upon to stay awake all the way to midnight! > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 31 21:15:04 2007 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:15:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. HAPPY NEW YEAR Message-ID: <00c501c84c35$44f406c0$8501a8c0@LapTop> HAPPY NEW YEAR Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell