[SEL] test...now 33...OT

Tue Apr 17 02:52:18 PDT 2007

So, Peter, do you think that more gun control laws would keep a crazy person
such as this from obtaining a gun and carrying out their plan?  I don't!
The only thing gun control laws will do is make it tougher for honest
citizens to get them.  Criminals and those such as the gunman in yesterday's
tragic event will still find access to them.  Laws apparently don't mean
anything to someone in this state of mind.  

In my mind, there were three tragedies in yesterday's shooting.  First and
foremost the 33 individuals that died.  Second, the fact that there are
crazies in this world that would commit such an act.  And Third tragedy is
the fact that the American public is being turned into sheep.  We haven't
heard of one report of a student attempting to confront this idiot!  I would
presume he would have to reload at some point.  Unfortunately, the American
public have been "trained" to let the LAW deal with these issues.  Don't get
involved.  To that, I say horse hockey!  If facing imminent death, at least
try to defend yourself in some way.  Maybe some of those killed did.  If so,
you can bet our bleeding heart news reporters won't report it!  At least the
crazy had enough presence of mind to kill himself! Otherwise, we would have
to support his sorry but for the next 20 years while he went through a trial
and waited for his sentencing.  

Peter, yes, in this case, it should be a case of shoot first and the hell
with the questions!  After you have seen the individual is on a killing
rampage, it is kill or be killed. 

Proud owner of 30+ guns!

Chuck Emsweller

I'll give up my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands!

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT

So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and 
then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to 
reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable but

a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be 
mayhem!
I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and 
saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in 
Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and 
you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be 
reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million hand 
guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from ,maybe

they are correct ,maybe not.
I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem in

the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National 
Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying 
power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun 
control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this 
morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT

> The governor of the state of Missouri signed a law last week that permits 
> a
> person to defend him or herself and families.   Some of us have already
> assumed we had that right.  I'm waiting to read the text of the law.  It 
> is
> effective Aug. 1 or when someone enters my house w/o an invitation if
> sooner.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>
>
>> Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem.
>> More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't
>> obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a
>> difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws
>> restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
>> that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
>> stopped. BUT that is illegal.
>>
>>
>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
>>> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
>>> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that
>>> is
>>> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is
>>> far
>>> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination
>>> for
>>> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a 
>>> .22
>>> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of 
>>> playing
>>> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now 
>>> I
>>> find other more enjoyable things to do
>>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>>> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to
>>> target
>>> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these
>>> events
>>> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism
>>> intended .
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
>>>
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