[SEL] test...now 33...OT

Tue Apr 17 01:28:03 PDT 2007

Hey Peter, let me ask you if you agree with the latest efforts of our lot.
Graffiti, Dont do anything strenuous to control or erradicate it. Just 'Ban 
sales to those under 18' Thus, those with a genuine need get penalised.(Its 
all locked away)
Illegal drugs.  Ban pharmacies from selling cough tablets and linctus! (So 
the crims cannot get raw materials)
And so it goes!
So, by your thinking, We should all rely on the pathetic, under resourced, 
police force for our welfare?
Get real!!  Your welfare is YOUR concern!
There are more ways of handling this that outright warfare.
Pressure on your so called 'Reps' in government would be a start.
I personally think things have sunk too far to be remedied in the short term 
but, hey, a start HAS to be made soon or we may as well chuck in the towel 
and give the place to the crims.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT

> So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and
> then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to
> reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable 
> but
> a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be
> mayhem!
> I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and
> saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in
> Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
> Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and
> you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be
> reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
> A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million 
> hand
> guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from 
> ,maybe
> they are correct ,maybe not.
> I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem 
> in
> the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National
> Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying
> power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
> Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun
> control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this
> morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>
>
>> The governor of the state of Missouri signed a law last week that permits
>> a
>> person to defend him or herself and families.   Some of us have already
>> assumed we had that right.  I'm waiting to read the text of the law.  It
>> is
>> effective Aug. 1 or when someone enters my house w/o an invitation if
>> sooner.
>>
>> Gary
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>>
>>
>>> Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem.
>>> More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't
>>> obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a
>>> difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws
>>> restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
>>> that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
>>> stopped. BUT that is illegal.
>>>
>>>
>>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>>> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
>>>> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
>>>> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that
>>>> is
>>>> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is
>>>> far
>>>> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination
>>>> for
>>>> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a
>>>> .22
>>>> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of
>>>> playing
>>>> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now
>>>> I
>>>> find other more enjoyable things to do
>>>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>>>> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to
>>>> target
>>>> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these
>>>> events
>>>> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism
>>>> intended .
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>>>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
>>>>
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