From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  1 05:08:15 2007
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] HELP AGAIN, FROM JAPAN
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0703290844330.94118@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <927603.10567.qm@web59203.mail.re1.yahoo.com>



To:  The No. American Lads
  From: Your man in Japan, Bill Young
  Re: Magneto coil winder
   
  I have just received a "Help" signal from a good buddy in Shikoku.  He wants to buy a coil winder  as in magneto coil.  I think a new commercial winder would exceed his budget.  Anybody know of one for sale?  A source? I will be going to USA next month.
  Thanks,  Bill



From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Sun Apr  1 10:37:29 2007
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (f86sabre at kcweb.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:37:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] HELP AGAIN, FROM JAPAN
References: <927603.10567.qm@web59203.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c77484$6beda530$9701a8c0@danlsthing>

If your friend is not averse to building a coil winder, the info is 
available in Bob Shore's book, Ignition Coils and Magnetos in Miniature.  It 
contains drawings for a coil winder.
Bob passed away a couple of years ago, but I think his wife is still selling 
his plans, kits, etc.
Pertinent info can be found on http://bobshores.com/pages/1/index.htm

Dan Bousman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] HELP AGAIN, FROM JAPAN


>
>
> To:  The No. American Lads
>  From: Your man in Japan, Bill Young
>  Re: Magneto coil winder
>
>  I have just received a "Help" signal from a good buddy in Shikoku.  He 
> wants to buy a coil winder  as in magneto coil.  I think a new commercial 
> winder would exceed his budget.  Anybody know of one for sale?  A source? 
> I will be going to USA next month.
>  Thanks,  Bill
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Apr  1 18:02:56 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:02:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
Message-ID: <003901c774c2$a68bb680$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi All

I am building some igntiors and need some mica tubing, can anyone suggest 
suppliers please:

I need:
1/2" OD x 3/8" ID mica tubing
1/2" OD x 3/8" ID mica washers

Also can you buy 1/4" tungsten points tips for the contacts?

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Apr  1 21:46:10 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:46:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
In-Reply-To: <003901c774c2$a68bb680$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENIFIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Try Bill Loupolis.  He advertises on Harry's.  He's got ignitor stuff.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 08:03 PM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
> 
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I am building some igntiors and need some mica 
> tubing, can anyone suggest 
> suppliers please:
> 
> I need:
> 1/2" OD x 3/8" ID mica tubing
> 1/2" OD x 3/8" ID mica washers
> 
> Also can you buy 1/4" tungsten points tips for 
> the contacts?
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/
rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Apr  1 22:33:32 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:33:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENIFIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c774e8$743036e0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

This mob in Australia have the size I want 
http://www.gmsindustrial.com.au/index.html

$50 per meter, WOW.
The washers are $3.50ea


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sun Apr  1 22:33:45 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:33:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Of Topic (Tools)
Message-ID: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>

Hi 
I have this unusual American made Hammer,so far all the tool collectors that I have shown it to can`t tell me what is was specificly made for , I have taken it to Engine Rallys but no one has yet identified it, is there a list member who knows it`s used for.
photo on webshots as below
. thanks 
Brian.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Apr  1 22:58:46 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:58:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Of Topic (Tools)
References: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>
Message-ID: <002c01c774eb$fa2c91f0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Brian

Scroll down this page for hammers:
http://www.lfishman.com/Library/Catalog/Tools.pdf
Of course yours is an earlier version, but may have been used incorrectly 
and not with the rubber head.
What do you think??

Peter, NSW, Oz




> Hi
> I have this unusual American made Hammer,so far all the tool collectors 
> that I have shown it to can`t tell me what is was specificly made for , I 
> have taken it to Engine Rallys but no one has yet identified it, is there 
> a list member who knows it`s used for.
> photo on webshots as below
> . thanks
> Brian.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Apr  1 23:02:59 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:02:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Of Topic (Tools)
References: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>
Message-ID: <003401c774ec$9139b2d0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Brian

Also scroll down this site to page 11 of 20:

http://www.kentool.com/ken-tool.pdf

Peter, NSW, Oz






> Hi
> I have this unusual American made Hammer,so far all the tool collectors 
> that I have shown it to can`t tell me what is was specificly made for , I 
> have taken it to Engine Rallys but no one has yet identified it, is there 
> a list member who knows it`s used for.
> photo on webshots as below
> . thanks
> Brian.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 23:45:42 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:45:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
In-Reply-To: <000f01c774e8$743036e0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENIFIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<000f01c774e8$743036e0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704012345i316fc54eo433c3819d20dcb98@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/04/07, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> This mob in Australia have the size I want
> http://www.gmsindustrial.com.au/index.html
>
> $50 per meter, WOW.
> The washers are $3.50ea
>

Mica washers are used on power stud diodes nd they also use Teflon
rings to insulate the studs when they pass through heatsinks etc.
Might be worth looking into your local electronic surplus shop.

In the USA we have some addresses but never looked at anything over your way.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sun Apr  1 23:53:59 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:53:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENIFIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<000f01c774e8$743036e0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <000801c774f3$b20cb280$7a526c3a@Edd>

Hi Peter.Rustic spares or Rally badges stock what you want here in OZ.But 
why don't you use teflon.That is all I have used in building ign for years 
and also in repairs and have not had one failure.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted


> Hi all
>
> This mob in Australia have the size I want
> http://www.gmsindustrial.com.au/index.html
>
> $50 per meter, WOW.
> The washers are $3.50ea
>
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Apr  2 00:00:39 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:00:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENIFIAA.edurand@mchsi.com><000f01c774e8$743036e0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<6f6025160704012345i316fc54eo433c3819d20dcb98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c774f4$9fc50540$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Peter
You have jogged my memory, the TO3 transistor mica insulators would make 
good washers, I have a drawer full of those.

Peter, Oz





> On 02/04/07, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> This mob in Australia have the size I want
>> http://www.gmsindustrial.com.au/index.html
>>
>> $50 per meter, WOW.
>> The washers are $3.50ea
>>
>
> Mica washers are used on power stud diodes nd they also use Teflon
> rings to insulate the studs when they pass through heatsinks etc.
> Might be worth looking into your local electronic surplus shop.
>
> In the USA we have some addresses but never looked at anything over your 
> way.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Apr  2 00:16:58 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:16:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
In-Reply-To: <000801c774f3$b20cb280$7a526c3a@Edd>
Message-ID: <20070402071648.OJZE28252.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I will vote with Edd & Reg for the Teflon. The ignitors Edd has done for me
are still working fine, even with years of abuse. The boys here in Sydney
use Teflon when rebuilding or making their own ignitors (mainly for those
evil English engines).

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

Hi Peter.Rustic spares or Rally badges stock what you want here in OZ.But 
why don't you use teflon.That is all I have used in building ign for years 
and also in repairs and have not had one failure.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
ww.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 23:51:15 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:51:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] HELP AGAIN, FROM JAPAN
In-Reply-To: <927603.10567.qm@web59203.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0703290844330.94118@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<927603.10567.qm@web59203.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704012351i20917918m792099f15a4a13b2@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/04/07, William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> To:  The No. American Lads
>   From: Your man in Japan, Bill Young
>   Re: Magneto coil winder
>
>   I have just received a "Help" signal from a good buddy in Shikoku.  He wants to buy a coil winder  as in magneto coil.  I think a new commercial winder would exceed his budget.  Anybody know of one for sale?  A source? I will be going to USA next month.
>   Thanks,  Bill
>

A commercial coil winder will do the job well. Ours goes down to
0.10mm wire or just under and up to 1.5mm. So much stuff is made out
in the far east these days that a lot of this machinery is being
scrapped. The larger one we have goes up to 3mm diameter wire and we
have a hand winder for multiples of wire at the same time.

We gave two powered winders away a couple of years ago, they came to
us in a batch of machinery when our local transformer guy in Watford
decided to give it up......

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Apr  2 01:10:49 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:10:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Another tool
Message-ID: <000701c774fe$6e396980$e5c30b52@no1>

See http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2892449470028520097EKSMRH
I got this in a box of tools given to me when a cycle shop finished.
It has 3 tools  1 Tapered thread tap
                     2 tapered square 
                     3 broad screwdriver (or looks like one)
I wondered if it was an early gas tool for fitting plugs.
Can anyone recognise a tool like this?
TIA
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From brock at netspeed.com.au  Mon Apr  2 03:25:29 2007
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:25:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
Message-ID: <4610da19.26.68a5.2044539720@netspeed.com.au>

i have been useing teflon for years also never had a problem
regards  Brock
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:53:59 +1000

> Hi Peter.Rustic spares or Rally badges stock what you want
> here in OZ.But  why don't you use teflon.That is all I
> have used in building ign for years  and also in repairs
> and have not had one failure. EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Monday, April 02,
> 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers
> wanted
> 
> 
> > Hi all
> >
> > This mob in Australia have the size I want
> > http://www.gmsindustrial.com.au/index.html
> >
> > $50 per meter, WOW.
> > The washers are $3.50ea
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Peter Lowe
> > R&V Engine Registrar
> > Australia
> > Ph: 61-266453455
> >
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> >
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Apr  2 05:30:39 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:30:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Another tool
Message-ID: <007c01c77522$b93a92f0$0601a8c0@altech>

The tool Dave was showing us is for gas lamps back in the late 1800's early 
1900's.
The tapered tap is for the thread that the lamp screws into. The lamp has a 
tapered thread that matches the hole, you screw the lamp into the taper 
until it is tight.. The tap is for cleaning out the threads.
The tapered square part of the tool is used for reaming out that threaded 
hole if thread stuffs up, in the early days they called them "rimers" 
pronounced the same way as reamer.
The screw driver part is for turning off the gas.
Great old tools, pity they can't talk.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm




>>>> See http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2892449470028520097EKSMRH
>>>> I got this in a box of tools given to me when a cycle shop finished.
>>>> It has 3 tools  1 Tapered thread tap
>>>>                     2 tapered square 3 broad screwdriver (or looks like
>>>> one)
>>>> I wondered if it was an early gas tool for fitting plugs.
>>>> Can anyone recognise a tool like this?
>>>> TIA
>>>> Dave Croft
>>>> Warrington, UK
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 



From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Mon Apr  2 12:10:42 2007
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:10:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Of Topic (Tools)
In-Reply-To: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>
References: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>
Message-ID: <000601c7755a$9f536e60$3464a8c0@Eagle>

	I have a suspicion that some other material was on the end with the
peg. Perhaps it was leather or some other softer material. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:34 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Of Topic (Tools)

Hi
I have this unusual American made Hammer,so far all the tool collectors that
I have shown it to can`t tell me what is was specificly made for , I have
taken it to Engine Rallys but no one has yet identified it, is there a list
member who knows it`s used for.
photo on webshots as below
. thanks
Brian.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au

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From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Apr  2 13:24:46 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:24:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Of Topic (Tools)
In-Reply-To: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>
References: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>
Message-ID: <4611668E.1090808@telenet.net>

Flooring hammer. But your missing the non marking head that was on the 
tapered stub. Used to install wood flooring. Used in two ways. With a 
setting tool you used it like a heavy mallet to seat the board then hit 
the plunger that drives the edge nails in place. OR used without the 
setter the non marking side tightens the board in place then you flipped 
it and drove the face nails.

Brian Watts wrote:
> Hi 
> I have this unusual American made Hammer,so far all the tool collectors that I have shown it to can`t tell me what is was specificly made for , I have taken it to Engine Rallys but no one has yet identified it, is there a list member who knows it`s used for.
> photo on webshots as below
> . thanks 
> Brian.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne 
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr  2 14:54:42 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:54:42 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates
Message-ID: <200704022356265.SM01484@new.databak.co.za>

Hi All,
         Sorry to use the list for this but I've at last finished all the 
outstanding brass spec plates that were on order.

         I have written to everyone who has outstanding orders in the last 
few days but have only had 1 reply (from Marvin Brown). In the past I have 
had a few problems getting mail "off list" from some of you - they've been 
filtered out by my ISP's spam filters so I do not know if you have received 
the mail from me or not - alternatively I also do not know if you have 
replied and I have not got your reply.

         If any of you who have ordered spec plates has not received mail 
from me in the last few days, or you have replied to me and not got an 
answer from me then please send again. The eMail address on this post is fine.

         I have set up a rule on my ISP' server that if the Subject line 
contains "Brass spec plates" (cut & paste it without the quotes) then the 
mail will get to my Inbox.

         If you do not receive a reply from me within 24 hours then please 
put a small note to the list (sorry - I do not want to clutter the list up) 
and I'll make another plan to contact you.

         I need some of your postal addresses. Some of those I have sent 
mail to are - Arnie Fero, Larry Anger, Denis Rouleau, Judge Tommy Turner, & 
Glenn Karch) and the guy on the tractor list who asked for anonymity !!

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From philruge at westvic.com.au  Mon Apr  2 17:12:13 2007
From: philruge at westvic.com.au (Phil Ruge@westvic)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:12:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
Message-ID: <BPECJNOIPLEELFLPBFCNKEKFCDAA.philruge@westvic.com.au>

Peter, Patrick, Edd,
I read with interest your comments about using Teflon instead of mica on
ignitors. I had Teflon burn out on me recently at the Portland Bay Vintage
Engine Rally (Feb 2007) and wouldn?t use it again. I have gone back to Mica
and by email order and air post had all the necessary mica parts over from
America to Aus in just under a week and very cheap. I bought from Hitnmiss
( sales at hitnmiss.com <mailto:sales at hitnmiss.com> ).
Phil Ruge
Portland Australia






From wilson at stny.rr.com  Mon Apr  2 18:40:41 2007
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:40:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <4610da19.26.68a5.2044539720@netspeed.com.au>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would like
it.
I can load it for you.
It does not have a blower or starter - but it was supposed to have been in
running shape when I bought it.
I bought it from a local saw mill guy who I know fairly well to put it in my
dump truck - then I sold the truck.

If no one takes me up on it, I'm going to put it in a dumpster with other
steel in a few weeks.
We will be on vacation from 8th to 15th so I can't load it during that
stretch - but I could before or after.

Thanks, Glenn



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Apr  2 17:37:01 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:37:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
References: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <0eb609bf77bac28984411f08006e4792@chartertn.net>

Now there's a deal!

I'm afraid I don't have a use for it or a place to put it, though.

John

On Apr 2, 2007, at 9:40 PM, Glenn Wilson wrote:

> I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would 
> like
> it.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Mon Apr  2 17:42:32 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:42:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
References: <BPECJNOIPLEELFLPBFCNKEKFCDAA.philruge@westvic.com.au>
Message-ID: <000601c77588$f7eb6630$7a526c3a@Edd>

Are you sure you used Teflon?.Over the years I have built over 100 ignitors 
for customers here and have never had one return.All were fitted with 
Teflon.I have about 70 low tension engines and all are fitted with Teflon 
insulation.My 6HP and 10HP Famous engines are throttle gov and I run them 
all the time and at shows they are started in the morning and run non stop 
all day.The 6HP is fitted with battery and Autosparker and the 10 is Webster 
equipped.Neither have ever failed in any way through ignition problems.Also 
all my Mogul ignitors are fitted with teflon and they run real hot,my 6HP is 
used to cut our fire wood and is used at full working speed and has never 
failed in 5 winters of cutting wood.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Ruge at westvic" <philruge at westvic.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted


> Peter, Patrick, Edd,
> I read with interest your comments about using Teflon instead of mica on
> ignitors. I had Teflon burn out on me recently at the Portland Bay Vintage
> Engine Rally (Feb 2007) and wouldn't use it again. I have gone back to 
> Mica
> and by email order and air post had all the necessary mica parts over from
> America to Aus in just under a week and very cheap. I bought from Hitnmiss
> ( sales at hitnmiss.com <mailto:sales at hitnmiss.com> ).
> Phil Ruge
> Portland Australia
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From wilson at stny.rr.com  Mon Apr  2 18:59:01 2007
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:59:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <0eb609bf77bac28984411f08006e4792@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOIEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

Damn It! You too ?????
No body wants this thing and I paid $500 for it !!!!!!
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:37 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine


Now there's a deal!

I'm afraid I don't have a use for it or a place to put it, though.

John

On Apr 2, 2007, at 9:40 PM, Glenn Wilson wrote:

> I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would 
> like
> it.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Mon Apr  2 17:59:19 2007
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:59:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
References: <4610da19.26.68a5.2044539720@netspeed.com.au>
	<MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c7758b$51ded350$3464a8c0@Eagle>

It would be nice to know where you are located. It seems to be a common
thing that list members do not indicate where they are. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wilson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine

I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would like
it.
I can load it for you.
It does not have a blower or starter - but it was supposed to have been in
running shape when I bought it.
I bought it from a local saw mill guy who I know fairly well to put it in my
dump truck - then I sold the truck.

If no one takes me up on it, I'm going to put it in a dumpster with other
steel in a few weeks.
We will be on vacation from 8th to 15th so I can't load it during that
stretch - but I could before or after.

Thanks, Glenn

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From wilson at stny.rr.com  Mon Apr  2 19:16:56 2007
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:16:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOIEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFKDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

My day email is glenn.wilson at emersonnetworkpower.com
good night, Glenn
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From wilson at stny.rr.com  Mon Apr  2 19:18:20 2007
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:18:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <001a01c7758b$51ded350$3464a8c0@Eagle>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOGEFKDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

I used to be such an obnoxious SOB on this group (according to some) that
most people knew where I was from. Sorry about that.

Endicott, NY 13760

Thanks, Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bob Willman
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:59 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine


It would be nice to know where you are located. It seems to be a common
thing that list members do not indicate where they are.


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wilson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine

I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would like
it.
I can load it for you.
It does not have a blower or starter - but it was supposed to have been in
running shape when I bought it.
I bought it from a local saw mill guy who I know fairly well to put it in my
dump truck - then I sold the truck.

If no one takes me up on it, I'm going to put it in a dumpster with other
steel in a few weeks.
We will be on vacation from 8th to 15th so I can't load it during that
stretch - but I could before or after.

Thanks, Glenn

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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Apr  2 18:16:40 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:16:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
References: <BPECJNOIPLEELFLPBFCNKEKFCDAA.philruge@westvic.com.au>
	<000601c77588$f7eb6630$7a526c3a@Edd>
Message-ID: <006501c7758d$bdef8ce0$8cd64c0c@D48VHZ61>

I rebuilt my 2hp IHC igniter many years ago with Teflon and it works fine 
still.

John Hall



From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Apr  2 18:31:14 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:31:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOGEFKDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
References: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOGEFKDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4611AE62.1090400@telenet.net>

Glenn, I'll have to check with the Chief and see if he still wants a 
spare for the ALF engine we have.

Glenn Wilson wrote:
> I used to be such an obnoxious SOB on this group (according to some) that
> most people knew where I was from. Sorry about that.
> 
> Endicott, NY 13760
> 
> Thanks, Glenn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bob Willman
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:59 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
> 
> 
> It would be nice to know where you are located. It seems to be a common
> thing that list members do not indicate where they are.
> 
> 
> Bob Willman
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wilson
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:41 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
> 
> I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would like
> it.
> I can load it for you.
> It does not have a blower or starter - but it was supposed to have been in
> running shape when I bought it.
> I bought it from a local saw mill guy who I know fairly well to put it in my
> dump truck - then I sold the truck.
> 
> If no one takes me up on it, I'm going to put it in a dumpster with other
> steel in a few weeks.
> We will be on vacation from 8th to 15th so I can't load it during that
> stretch - but I could before or after.
> 
> Thanks, Glenn
> 


-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York



From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Mon Apr  2 18:43:06 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:43:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Tools
Message-ID: <009401c77591$6e471b50$310b683a@fred>

Thanks Guys,
That was quick identity of Hammer, thanks to all who replied.
Brian.
I have placed photos  of another odd item you may help me to identify,it also has defied recognition so far, see how quick the list takes on this one.photos on webshots under Odd?
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au




From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Mon Apr  2 22:37:40 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:37:40 +0100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Tools
In-Reply-To: <009401c77591$6e471b50$310b683a@fred>
Message-ID: <09cd01c775b2$32f76110$8335c53e@doc>

Looks like a device for poking meat into a mincer or grinder to me....

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brian Watts
> Sent: 03 April 2007 02:43
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Tools
> 
> Thanks Guys,
> That was quick identity of Hammer, thanks to all who replied.
> Brian.
> I have placed photos  of another odd item you may help me to 
> identify,it also has defied recognition so far, see how quick 
> the list takes on this one.photos on webshots under Odd?
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne 
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr  2 23:34:30 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:34:30 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates
Message-ID: <200704030837812.SM01788@new.databak.co.za>

Hi All,
         Once again, apologies for using the list for this.

         In response to my earlier post Arnie , Larry Anger, Denis 
Rouleau  & Glenn Karch did contact me - and I have replied to all.
         Glenn you forgot to give me your Postal Address.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr  3 07:36:22 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:36:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
References: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031034160.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Glenn,

Why not put it in the Portland ATIS Charity Auction this summer?
That would also give you a nice tax deduction.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Glenn Wilson wrote:

> I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would like
> it.
> I can load it for you.
> It does not have a blower or starter - but it was supposed to have been in
> running shape when I bought it.
> I bought it from a local saw mill guy who I know fairly well to put it in my
> dump truck - then I sold the truck.
>
> If no one takes me up on it, I'm going to put it in a dumpster with other
> steel in a few weeks.
> We will be on vacation from 8th to 15th so I can't load it during that
> stretch - but I could before or after.



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Apr  3 07:31:00 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:31:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031034160.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031034160.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0d3fc1738f3e5fdb0a8c9f120805e2b7@chartertn.net>

Now there's an idea!

John

On Apr 3, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Hi Glenn,
>
> Why not put it in the Portland ATIS Charity Auction this summer?
> That would also give you a nice tax deduction.  8-))


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Apr  3 07:45:05 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:45:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates
References: <200704022356265.SM01484@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV22A40C3C7EC08832796EBBB670@phx.gbl>

Hi Jerry..is the one for Arnie the Novo Rollr tag?

Take care and thanks for what you do.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates


> Hi All,
>          Sorry to use the list for this but I've at last finished all the
> outstanding brass spec plates that were on order.
>
>          I have written to everyone who has outstanding orders in the last
> few days but have only had 1 reply (from Marvin Brown). In the past I have
> had a few problems getting mail "off list" from some of you - they've been
> filtered out by my ISP's spam filters so I do not know if you have 
> received
> the mail from me or not - alternatively I also do not know if you have
> replied and I have not got your reply.
>
>          If any of you who have ordered spec plates has not received mail
> from me in the last few days, or you have replied to me and not got an
> answer from me then please send again. The eMail address on this post is 
> fine.
>
>          I have set up a rule on my ISP' server that if the Subject line
> contains "Brass spec plates" (cut & paste it without the quotes) then the
> mail will get to my Inbox.
>
>          If you do not receive a reply from me within 24 hours then please
> put a small note to the list (sorry - I do not want to clutter the list 
> up)
> and I'll make another plan to contact you.
>
>          I need some of your postal addresses. Some of those I have sent
> mail to are - Arnie Fero, Larry Anger, Denis Rouleau, Judge Tommy Turner, 
> &
> Glenn Karch) and the guy on the tractor list who asked for anonymity !!
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787
> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
> Cell: 083 293 7191
> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Apr  3 08:19:22 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:19:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Tools
Message-ID: <20070403.112613.324.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Peter,

>From age 12 - 17, I worked in a meat market.
 
There was a wooden thing used on the meat grinder that looked similar to
that.
 
There was no metal on it - and there was no hole in it.
It was used to push the chunks of meat into the throat of the grinder
so you didn't use your hand and loose your fingers.
 
Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " Traders, Moneylenders and Pimps 
  (_o_)                   are playing their trade in the temple."


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr  3 10:08:55 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:08:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV22A40C3C7EC08832796EBBB670@phx.gbl>
References: <200704022356265.SM01484@new.databak.co.za>
	<BAY113-DAV22A40C3C7EC08832796EBBB670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031303180.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>

Nope.  Arnie's Novo Rollr has its original tags on both
the engine and the Novo factory pump outfit.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/rollr.htm

The tag Jerry made for me is for...
"The Fankhauser"; a vertical, gearless, four-poster.
It's the only example known to exist.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Richard Strobel wrote:

> Hi Jerry..is the one for Arnie the Novo Rollr tag?



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr  3 14:12:33 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:12:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>

$125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
eBay #320096405850




From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Apr  3 14:47:32 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:47:32 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
Message-ID: <d1f.a8a771c.33442574@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/3/2007 4:22:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

$125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....

 
 
The same thing goes for green one cylinder engines!  It is some type of 
"green syndrome"!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Apr  3 14:48:10 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:48:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000301c77639$c5af1e30$0601a8c0@altech>

Would love to know who bought it, would JD be bothered?

Peter, Oz




> $125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
> eBay #320096405850
> 
> 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Apr  3 15:37:16 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:37:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Scams to watch out for (engines)
Message-ID: <001801c77640$a217ed10$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

This was on Smokstak and it worth keeping an eye out for.

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36762





Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr  3 17:21:16 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:21:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070403192033.04f6e658@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:12 PM 4/3/2007, you wrote:
>$125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
>eBay #320096405850

As someone on the tractor list pointed out "It's one of a kind!"
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr  3 17:22:52 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:22:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <000301c77639$c5af1e30$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<000301c77639$c5af1e30$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070403192215.04ec5d10@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:48 PM 4/3/2007, you wrote:
>Would love to know who bought it, would JD be bothered?
>
>Peter, Oz

Hi Peter, <http://myworld.msn.ebay.com/dggqgi0/>dggqgi0 was the buyer!
         Dave



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  3 16:29:48 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:29:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070403192033.04f6e658@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <957992.34564.qm@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

So is Serial number 2 and so is 3, etc.
  Ron

Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
  At 04:12 PM 4/3/2007, you wrote:
>$125 grand for a green tractor. The mind boggles....
>eBay #320096405850

As someone on the tractor list pointed out "It's one of a kind!"
Dave 

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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Apr  3 19:32:41 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:32:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Scams to watch out for (engines)
In-Reply-To: <001801c77640$a217ed10$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <001801c77640$a217ed10$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <20070403233242.85349228456@md5.pennswoods.net>

I had one about like that. It happened about a year ago. I had a oil 
tank for sale for $800.00 was sent a check for $4100.00 he said cash 
and send the difference to his shipper in Italy. Chech came from a 
bank in Philly that did not exist according to my bank. So i did not 
send his shipper any money kept the tank and check. i thought it was 
a scam from the start bad spelling and grammar but player along just for fun.
R Fink
PA




At 08:37 AM 4/4/2007 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all
>
>This was on Smokstak and it worth keeping an eye out for.
>
>http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36762
>
>
>
>
>
>Regards
>Peter Lowe
>R&V Engine Registrar
>Australia
>Ph: 61-266453455
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Apr  3 17:13:07 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:13:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <d1f.a8a771c.33442574@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200704040014.l340EOd9016590@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 2:48 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts

 
In a message dated 4/3/2007 4:22:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

$125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
 
The same thing goes for green one cylinder engines!  It is some type of 
"green syndrome"!
  
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I like to tell the story of the guy who sold stuff at flea markets.  Even
when marked down to 25?, an old toilet seat just wouldn't sell.  Tired of
hauling it around, one night he sprayed it with JD green.  It sold the first
thing the next morning for $50.

:-)

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Tue Apr  3 18:20:24 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:20:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <006001c77657$70205d30$3df04c0c@D48VHZ61>

On behalf of FATG everywhere, thank you for spcifying "green". The rest of 
us just stand back and scratch our heads.

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts


> $125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
> eBay #320096405850
>
> 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 00:13:41 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:13:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704040013o1e9beeces3e6e13e73a146026@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/04/07, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> $125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
> eBay #320096405850
>

?63k for an Otto Crossley a couple of years ago?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Apr  4 04:12:51 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:12:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
Message-ID: <20070404111216.FSER26413.oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Teflon is cheaper and much more readily available here in Oz than the Mica.
The Teflon is just as (if not more) robust than the Mica and the Teflon is
no where near as prone to develop tracks for the current to earth out on.
The Teflon is also not as fragile as the Mica.

My big throttle governed Stover YC has an Edd rebuilt Webster bracket using
Teflon. It is a throttle governed engine and runs very, very, very hot. The
Webster ignitor gets a hell of a workout with the heat and the constant
actuation (it does not get a rest like on a hit and miss engine). I have had
two return springs fail so far but no problem from the Teflon.

It is not often that I will agree with both Edd & Reg at the same time :-)
but there are few guys who know more about engines & ignitors than they do
so if they both say Teflon there is possibly some truth to it.

 

Patrick M Livingstone

Leichhardt NSW

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ 




From wilson at stny.rr.com  Wed Apr  4 05:48:19 2007
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:48:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reg
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070403192033.04f6e658@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOGEGCDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

Reg, are you on this list?

I saw a note on old-engine but for some reason I am unable to respond to it
there.
Thanks, Glenn



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Apr  4 15:35:42 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:35:42 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
Message-ID: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is 
unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help 
would be appreciated!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr  4 15:57:08 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:57:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <001e01c7770c$941c8b40$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US


>I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is 
> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help 
> would be appreciated!
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au 

Hi Peter,I have also sent a DVD to an American friend but it is still in the post!
Is your friend using a computer or a DVD player to try and play it?
I have been told some players will play anything but other players have restrictions.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Apr  4 16:00:40 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:00:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
In-Reply-To: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4f4b1bfa4920e418afd9f8245a651ae5@chartertn.net>

It's surely in PAL format. The video standard in the U.S. is NTSC. I 
think he'll need some sort of converter to watch it. Sort of like 
kilometers and furlongs.

John

On Apr 4, 2007, at 6:35 PM, peter ogborne wrote:

> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He 
> is
> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any 
> help
> would be appreciated!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Apr  4 16:21:30 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:21:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
In-Reply-To: <4f4b1bfa4920e418afd9f8245a651ae5@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <200704042323.l34NMxsK055838@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:01 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US

It's surely in PAL format. The video standard in the U.S. is NTSC. I 
think he'll need some sort of converter to watch it. Sort of like 
kilometers and furlongs.

John

On Apr 4, 2007, at 6:35 PM, peter ogborne wrote:

> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He 
> is
> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any 
> help
> would be appreciated!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

DVD formats are a bag-of-worms mess.  Take a look:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_format

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   






From philruge at westvic.com.au  Wed Apr  4 17:10:34 2007
From: philruge at westvic.com.au (Phil Ruge@westvic)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:10:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
Message-ID: <BPECJNOIPLEELFLPBFCNCEKLCDAA.philruge@westvic.com.au>

I can accept that Teflon should be better than mica but nothing is perfect,
including the hands that do the rebuilding. Maybe the Teflon problem with my
ignitor was the way the Teflon was used in the rebuilding. Will use Edd next
time instead of others. As for cheapness, $5 gets you enough mica to
completely insulate two ignitors.
Phil Ruge
Portland Aus



From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Apr  4 22:08:17 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:08:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
In-Reply-To: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <46148441.9080500@telenet.net>



peter ogborne wrote:
> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is 
> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help 
> would be appreciated!
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

http://www.jakeludington.com/dvd_hacks/20061125_convert_pal_dvd_for_pc_playback.html
http://www.topdrawerdownloads.com/download/104617
for one way.


http://www.eyesofchaos.com/interviews/pal_to_ntsc.html
http://www.vso-software.fr/products/convert_x_to_dvd/
Download the free trial and it will convert it, but it leaves a watermark.

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Thu Apr  5 02:11:57 2007
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:11:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4614BD5D.2030702@wightman.ca>

Trust me Arnie. As a former director of an all green tractor club, you 
have no idea how obsessed these people can be.
Go into their homes and it can be almost frightening.

Duncan

Arnie Fero wrote:

>$125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
>eBay #320096405850
>
>
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Apr  5 05:11:39 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:11:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46148441.9080500@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c7777b$946bbd40$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks for that Steve ,I'll give it a go . I am just waiting for my friend 
in MO to reply ....he is asking around to see what he can do that end.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US


>
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is
>> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help
>> would be appreciated!
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
> http://www.jakeludington.com/dvd_hacks/20061125_convert_pal_dvd_for_pc_playback.html
> http://www.topdrawerdownloads.com/download/104617
> for one way.
>
>
> http://www.eyesofchaos.com/interviews/pal_to_ntsc.html
> http://www.vso-software.fr/products/convert_x_to_dvd/
> Download the free trial and it will convert it, but it leaves a watermark.
>
> -- 
> Steve W.
> Near Cooperstown, New York
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Apr  5 05:55:26 2007
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:55:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<4614BD5D.2030702@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <000501c77781$afbf8800$5a83fb40@HP28276676518>

I agree with you Duncan, but the scare may not be totally their fault.  I 
have three, no, now only two old unstyled two cylinders.  I have green 
things in the house that I would not have bought, but my extended family 
has.  Clocks, water glasses, knick knack holders etc.  When they come from a 
four year old grandson who finds something in the Dollar store with a green 
tractor logo and says "Granddad needs this." it is a  precious gift and must 
be displayed/used.

I presume more green things are in my future.
Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duncan Denman" <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts


> Trust me Arnie. As a former director of an all green tractor club, you
> have no idea how obsessed these people can be.
> Go into their homes and it can be almost frightening.
>
> Duncan
>
> Arnie Fero wrote:
>
>>$125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
>>eBay #320096405850
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Apr  5 07:58:20 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:58:20 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46148441.9080500@telenet.net>
	<000d01c7777b$946bbd40$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <002b01c77792$db200db0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is
>>> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help
>>> would be appreciated!
>>> Peter Ogborne
>>> Little Grove ,Albany
>>> West Australia
>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au


> Thanks for that Steve ,I'll give it a go . I am just waiting for my friend 
> in MO to reply ....he is asking around to see what he can do that end.

Hi Peter, I have found one program that lets me read DVD's on the computer.
I had been told that Power DVD 5 would allow the computer to read them.
I was searching when I thought to look at the CD's that came with my computer.
Power DVD 5 was there & it works well with an English DVD.
I don't have an American DVD to try it on.
The files on the DVD I sent to America are VOB,BUP & IFO files.

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Apr  5 11:50:21 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:50:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
In-Reply-To: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704051442430.77456@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

The most probable source of trouble is the stupid DVD region code.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_region_code

A large number of DVD players ignore the code, but an equally large number
observe it and won't play an "out of region" DVD.

There are a lot of web sites that provide instructions on how to use your
DVD player remote control to "re-program" (i.e. hack) your player to
either ignore the codes or accept a specific code.  Naturally, there's a
high probablity of totally stuffing your player.

I've had really good success playing out of region DVDs on my computer.  I
think the DVD player software tends to be much more "region code
friendly" than the DVD players themselves.

Good luck!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, peter ogborne wrote:

> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is
> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help
> would be appreciated!



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr  5 15:31:01 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:31:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
References: <BPECJNOIPLEELFLPBFCNCEKLCDAA.philruge@westvic.com.au>
Message-ID: <001001c777d2$17079980$0601a8c0@altech>

I have found a source in Melbourne for 1/2" OD x 3/8" ID mica tubing, as 
mentioned by someone yesterday, it only has a 1/16" wall thickness. This is 
not a problem because it is low tension, it will last forever.
I used to work with mica by the truck load, at BHP Steelworks, building 
electrical equipment. Trouble is, that was 25 years ago. ;-))

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm




>I can accept that Teflon should be better than mica but nothing is perfect,
> including the hands that do the rebuilding. Maybe the Teflon problem with 
> my
> ignitor was the way the Teflon was used in the rebuilding. Will use Edd 
> next
> time instead of others. As for cheapness, $5 gets you enough mica to
> completely insulate two ignitors.
> Phil Ruge
> Portland Aus



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Apr  5 16:29:33 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:29:33 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0704051442430.77456@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c777da$47939a60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

That's what i am afraid of Arnie[ stuffing up the DVD player] .I rang the 
help line for the player NEC ,advice I got was to open the disc drawer and 
hit the 0 button 7 times .....that would give me a universal format.
I wonder if my friend in MO can get it transposed in the the US?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US


> G'day Peter,
>
> The most probable source of trouble is the stupid DVD region code.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_region_code
>
> A large number of DVD players ignore the code, but an equally large number
> observe it and won't play an "out of region" DVD.
>
> There are a lot of web sites that provide instructions on how to use your
> DVD player remote control to "re-program" (i.e. hack) your player to
> either ignore the codes or accept a specific code.  Naturally, there's a
> high probablity of totally stuffing your player.
>
> I've had really good success playing out of region DVDs on my computer.  I
> think the DVD player software tends to be much more "region code
> friendly" than the DVD players themselves.
>
> Good luck!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, peter ogborne wrote:
>
>> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is
>> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help
>> would be appreciated!
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Apr  5 16:30:29 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:30:29 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46148441.9080500@telenet.net><000d01c7777b$946bbd40$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<002b01c77792$db200db0$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <001d01c777da$68d31bb0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks Dave ............nothing is simple nowadays!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
>
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>>> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He 
>>>> is
>>>> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any 
>>>> help
>>>> would be appreciated!
>>>> Peter Ogborne
>>>> Little Grove ,Albany
>>>> West Australia
>>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
>> Thanks for that Steve ,I'll give it a go . I am just waiting for my 
>> friend
>> in MO to reply ....he is asking around to see what he can do that end.
>
> Hi Peter, I have found one program that lets me read DVD's on the 
> computer.
> I had been told that Power DVD 5 would allow the computer to read them.
> I was searching when I thought to look at the CD's that came with my 
> computer.
> Power DVD 5 was there & it works well with an English DVD.
> I don't have an American DVD to try it on.
> The files on the DVD I sent to America are VOB,BUP & IFO files.
>
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Apr  5 17:31:47 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:31:47 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
Message-ID: <cd5.c0c5e2a.3346eef3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/5/2007 6:32:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
plowe at exemail.com.au writes:

I used to work with mica by the truck load, at BHP Steelworks, building 
electrical equipment. Trouble is, that was 25 years ago.

 
 
And here all the time Peter I thought you were just a young fellow!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr  5 18:05:19 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:05:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
References: <cd5.c0c5e2a.3346eef3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301c777e7$a51b50d0$0601a8c0@altech>


Hi Tom

I am 54 years young ;-))

Peter, Oz


>
> In a message dated 4/5/2007 6:32:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> plowe at exemail.com.au writes:
>
> I used to work with mica by the truck load, at BHP Steelworks, building
> electrical equipment. Trouble is, that was 25 years ago.
>
>
>
> And here all the time Peter I thought you were just a young fellow!
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Apr  5 19:17:46 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:17:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
In-Reply-To: <000301c777e7$a51b50d0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <cd5.c0c5e2a.3346eef3@aol.com>
	<000301c777e7$a51b50d0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070405211648.04eb9ae0@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:05 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote:

>Hi Tom
>
>I am 54 years young ;-))
>
>Peter, Oz

Damn Peter, you don't look a day over 63!
         Dave 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr  5 18:24:06 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:24:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
References: <cd5.c0c5e2a.3346eef3@aol.com><000301c777e7$a51b50d0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070405211648.04eb9ae0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000301c777ea$456d92d0$0601a8c0@altech>


> At 08:05 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
> 
>>Hi Tom
>>
>>I am 54 years young ;-))
>>
>>Peter, Oz
> 
> Damn Peter, you don't look a day over 63!
>         Dave 



Tell me about it Dave ;-(((
Peter



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Apr  6 12:27:44 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:27:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
Message-ID: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of an EK.
 I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  So..
could someone give me the values of resistance between the different
points.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr  6 16:20:41 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:20:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
Message-ID: <c2e.12b1d25e.33482fc9@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/5/2007 9:12:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
plowe at exemail.com.au writes:

I am 54 years young ;-))

 
I guess I was right after all since I have 9 years on you!  Not sure how many 
Dave has on me, but I think it is a lot!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Apr  6 21:08:50 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:08:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
Message-ID: <20070406.210851.272.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
The chart says my Blackstone engine runs on residual oil, what is
residual oil?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From nick at holden1.net  Sat Apr  7 01:12:52 2007
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:12:52 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
References: <20070406.210851.272.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <46175284.000001.03056@YOUR-447023AE6B>

Good morning Ron
 
Have a look hear 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil
 
 
 
Nick
Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: rdhaskell at juno.com
Date: 04/07/07 05:13:29
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
 
Hi all.
The chart says my Blackstone engine runs on residual oil, what is
residual oil?
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 01:10:25 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:10:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
In-Reply-To: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704070110m4cb12e18mdcdcc74a77e6e82d@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/04/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of an EK.
>  I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  So..
> could someone give me the values of resistance between the different
> points.  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell

There are tables are on our website:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagCapMenu.htm

and the EK service manual is at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagData5.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From don.h at wcoil.com  Sat Apr  7 06:12:03 2007
From: don.h at wcoil.com (don.)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:12:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
References: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6f6025160704070110m4cb12e18mdcdcc74a77e6e82d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001601c77916$55edfcd0$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498>

Thank you for putting this information on your web page Just what I needed 
to get my mag timed a little better.Don
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico magneto


> On 06/04/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
>> Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of an EK.
>>  I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  So..
>> could someone give me the values of resistance between the different
>> points.  Thanks.
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>
> There are tables are on our website:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagCapMenu.htm
>
> and the EK service manual is at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagData5.htm
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Apr  7 07:20:23 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:20:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
References: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <008d01c7791f$e1e7f250$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Ron,
The individual coil resistance should be 1.4 Amps, according to my Wico 
manual
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto


> Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of an EK.
> I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  So..
> could someone give me the values of resistance between the different
> points.  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 06:54:19 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:54:19 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
In-Reply-To: <001601c77916$55edfcd0$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498>
References: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6f6025160704070110m4cb12e18mdcdcc74a77e6e82d@mail.gmail.com>
	<001601c77916$55edfcd0$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704070654w4c680b66h3171733fcd857421@mail.gmail.com>

On 07/04/07, don. <don.h at wcoil.com> wrote:
> Thank you for putting this information on your web page Just what I needed
> to get my mag timed a little better.Don

Glad it was of some use, Don.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Apr  7 08:04:01 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:04:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
In-Reply-To: <20070406.210851.272.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070406.210851.272.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6abe88206e913743736e8c336ada2623@chartertn.net>

In short, residual oil is what's left in the bottom of the 
fractionating still. Doesn't boil at the temperature and pressure used 
in the still. To vaporize in your engine, it has to "crack" from the 
heat into lighter molecules that can vaporize. The same is true of 
fatty oils, which are "fixed" and can't be distilled.

John

On Apr 7, 2007, at 12:08 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Hi all.
> The chart says my Blackstone engine runs on residual oil, what is
> residual oil?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Apr  7 09:14:19 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 18:14:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Wood gas producer/wood chipper info needed please
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         A friend of mine (no internet) is building a "wood gas producer" 
to run an engine off (small engine - 3 HP) and is looking for information. 
The plans he is working off are from the net but I do not know which site 
but the one he is trying to copy runs a John Deere tractor and uses wood chips.
         He has progressed pretty far with the unit and will probably be 
able to give it a trial run within a week.
         I'm looking for any additional information (or Internet sites) to 
help him.

         The one thing that I would really like to find is plans for a home 
built "wood chipper". Probably one that runs off a tractor P.T.O. and uses 
a heavy flywheel with "teeth" (maybe Tungsten) to chip the wood. We have a 
lot of green wood available (mostly Eucalyptus) from twig size up to 
branches of about 3" (and even bigger).

         In the USA wood chippers seem to be pretty common but we do not 
have them in South Africa so information is limited. His Tractor is a 60 HP 
Landini but I would prefer something that would run off about 30 or 35 HP 
(then I could also build one for my Massey Ferguson 35 to make compost with).

         Thanks in advance for any information and have a good holiday weekend.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Apr  7 09:50:25 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:50:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wood gas producer/wood chipper info needed please
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV11C6039B3FEDB85DB3C7C7BB5B0@phx.gbl>

Here's one Jerry :

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Green-Transportation/1974-05-01/Producer-Gas-Vehicles.aspx

but you knew that already.

Do a Google for

plans for building producer gas

lots of hits.

Rick










----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:14 AM
Subject: [SEL] Wood gas producer/wood chipper info needed please


> Hi Guys,
>          A friend of mine (no internet) is building a "wood gas producer"
> to run an engine off (small engine - 3 HP) and is looking for information.
> The plans he is working off are from the net but I do not know which site
> but the one he is trying to copy runs a John Deere tractor and uses wood 
> chips.
>          He has progressed pretty far with the unit and will probably be
> able to give it a trial run within a week.
>          I'm looking for any additional information (or Internet sites) to
> help him.
>
>          The one thing that I would really like to find is plans for a 
> home
> built "wood chipper". Probably one that runs off a tractor P.T.O. and uses
> a heavy flywheel with "teeth" (maybe Tungsten) to chip the wood. We have a
> lot of green wood available (mostly Eucalyptus) from twig size up to
> branches of about 3" (and even bigger).
>
>          In the USA wood chippers seem to be pretty common but we do not
> have them in South Africa so information is limited. His Tractor is a 60 
> HP
> Landini but I would prefer something that would run off about 30 or 35 HP
> (then I could also build one for my Massey Ferguson 35 to make compost 
> with).
>
>          Thanks in advance for any information and have a good holiday 
> weekend.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787
> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
> Cell: 083 293 7191
> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Apr  7 10:41:03 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:41:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
Message-ID: <20070407.104103.2080.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Peter.
But what do I do If I don't have an Eisman Coil Tester?
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:10:25 +0100 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
writes:
> On 06/04/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> > Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of 
> an EK.
> >  I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  
> So..
> > could someone give me the values of resistance between the 
> different
> > points.  Thanks.
> >
> > Ron Haskell
> 
> There are tables are on our website:
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagCapMenu.htm
> 
> and the EK service manual is at:
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagData5.htm
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Apr  7 10:28:52 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:28:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
Message-ID: <20070407.102903.2080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Thanks Nick and all who responded.  That brings up the next question;
what do I run the engine on now when I get it to the point of running?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:12:52 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) "Nick Holden"
<nick at holden1.net> writes:
> Good morning Ron
>  
> Have a look hear 
>  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil
>  
>  
>  
> Nick
> Banbury (UK)
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Apr  7 12:38:39 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:38:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
In-Reply-To: <20070407.104103.2080.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

Doesn't EVERYONE have an Eisemann coil tester???

What I'd do would be to make my own tester.  A 6 Volt battery, a doorbell button and an auto condenser should do.

- Hook the negative battery lead to one of the coil primary leads.
- Hook the positive battery lead to one of the terminals of the doorbell button -and- one lead of the condenser.
- Hook the other doorbell button terminal to the other lead of the condenser -and- the other coil primary lead.
- Rig a piece of wire (or whatever) from the high-tension terminal of the coil and route it so it is spaced about an eighth of an inch from the negative battery lead. 

Everything set?  Now, tap the doorbell button.  You should get a nice strong spark at the gap. 

You could also test the Wico condenser with this rig by substituting the Wico condenser for the auto condenser and checking for spark. 

Should work.........no guarantee.........

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:41 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico magneto
> 
> 
> Thanks Peter.
> But what do I do If I don't have an Eisman Coil Tester?
>  
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Apr  7 13:55:00 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:55:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
In-Reply-To: <20070407.102903.2080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEECFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

Whut engine?  If it's spark ignition, I use the cheap version of Coleman fuel, called Ozark brand at Wally World.  It is Naptha with an octane around 50.  Works great in old engines, doesn't turn to crud if left and the exhaust smells old-fashioned.

If it's one that's supposed to run on residual oil, it may run fine on number 2 Diesel, available at any truck stop, etc.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:29 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Residual Oil?
> 
> 
>  Thanks Nick and all who responded.  That brings 
> up the next question;
> what do I run the engine on now when I get it to 
> the point of running?
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:12:52 +0100 (GMT Standard 
> Time) "Nick Holden"
> <nick at holden1.net> writes:
> > Good morning Ron
> >  
> > Have a look hear 
> >  
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Nick
> > Banbury (UK)
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Apr  7 14:33:27 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  7 Apr 2007 17:33:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1175981607.46180e27c5ec6@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Elden,

And with just a tiny bit of re-wiring it would be JUST the thing for those
annoying door-to-door Bible thumpers!!  Talk about your basic "joy buzzer."  
8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:

> Doesn't EVERYONE have an Eisemann coil tester???
> 
> What I'd do would be to make my own tester.  A 6 Volt battery, a doorbell
> button and an auto condenser should do.
> 
> - Hook the negative battery lead to one of the coil primary leads.
> - Hook the positive battery lead to one of the terminals of the doorbell
> button -and- one lead of the condenser.
> - Hook the other doorbell button terminal to the other lead of the condenser
> -and- the other coil primary lead.
> - Rig a piece of wire (or whatever) from the high-tension terminal of the
> coil and route it so it is spaced about an eighth of an inch from the
> negative battery lead. 
> 
> Everything set?  Now, tap the doorbell button.  You should get a nice strong
> spark at the gap. 
> 
> You could also test the Wico condenser with this rig by substituting the Wico
> condenser for the auto condenser and checking for spark. 




From bboyce at swat.coop  Sat Apr  7 17:54:04 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:54:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] bead blasting valve stems
In-Reply-To: <1175981607.46180e27c5ec6@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<1175981607.46180e27c5ec6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <741DEB8F99C64D8FAF52DB089BE79A0B@billPC>

whats the rule on cleaning up automotive valve stems ? seems like i remember 
someone saying not to bead blast them,,,, i've seen machine shops chuck em 
up in a lathe and use emery cloth,,,, i dont have access to a vibratory 
cleaner,,,,,,,, any ideas ?
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer. 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Apr  7 17:02:22 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:02:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] bead blasting valve stems
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com><1175981607.46180e27c5ec6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<741DEB8F99C64D8FAF52DB089BE79A0B@billPC>
Message-ID: <000301c77971$2eb88b20$0601a8c0@altech>

Bill, I would just light emery polish the stems or use a wire wheel on your 
grinder, good as anything.

Some people are hell bent on bead blasting everything, in some cases 
destroying the original object.
I really hate it when you go to a swap meet and the seller has bead blasted 
everything to make it look clean. I collect Stanley planes and some sellers 
bead blast the whole plane rendering it of NO value to me or any other 
collector.

Polish the stems, grind the valve faces and seats and put it back together.

My $0.02 worth
Peter, Oz



> whats the rule on cleaning up automotive valve stems ? seems like i 
> remember
> someone saying not to bead blast them,,,, i've seen machine shops chuck em
> up in a lathe and use emery cloth,,,, i dont have access to a vibratory
> cleaner,,,,,,,, any ideas ?
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Apr  7 17:32:02 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:32:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
Message-ID: <20070407.173202.2028.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Elden.
It is this engine:

"According the Blackstone & Co records your engine number 170885 is a
type JSI spring injection engine of 6 hp. It was the smallest spring
injection engine the firm built. It runs, or it will when you have
restored it, at 360 rpm. It has a bore of 5.248 inches. It was tested on
27th October 1929 and supplied to W. H. Cullington of Buenos Aires.
Cullington was a long standing agent in Argentina for Blackstone's. Any
idea how it came to be in Nebraska?

There were three sizes of flywheel available depending on the cyclic
variation. I am not quite sure what that means but, a for a variation of
-
1/20th the flywheel was 3feet 3 inches x 4 inches; 
1/40th it was 3ft 9in x 4?in;
1/80th it was 4ft 6in x 5in.
I don't know if that helps!

Let me know if you need any other help. I may be able to help."

Best wishes,

Michael Key.
The Blackstone Collection.
......................................
It is suposed to run on residual oil.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:55:00 -0500 "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
writes:
> Ron:
> 
> Whut engine?  If it's spark ignition, I use the cheap version of 
> Coleman fuel, called Ozark brand at Wally World.  It is Naptha with 
> an octane around 50.  Works great in old engines, doesn't turn to 
> crud if left and the exhaust smells old-fashioned.
> 
> If it's one that's supposed to run on residual oil, it may run fine 
> on number 2 Diesel, available at any truck stop, etc.
> 
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Apr  7 19:03:33 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:03:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
In-Reply-To: <20070407.173202.2028.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEEHFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron & Michael:

I bet it will run fine on either #2 or #1 Diesel.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 07:32 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Residual Oil?
> 
> 
> Hi Elden.
> It is this engine:
> 
> "According the Blackstone & Co records your 
> engine number 170885 is a
> type JSI spring injection engine of 6 hp. It was 
> the smallest spring
> injection engine the firm built. It runs, or it 
> will when you have
> restored it, at 360 rpm. It has a bore of 5.248 
> inches. It was tested on
> 27th October 1929 and supplied to W. H. 
> Cullington of Buenos Aires.
> Cullington was a long standing agent in Argentina 
> for Blackstone's. Any
> idea how it came to be in Nebraska?
> 
> There were three sizes of flywheel available 
> depending on the cyclic
> variation. I am not quite sure what that means 
> but, a for a variation of
> -
> 1/20th the flywheel was 3feet 3 inches x 4 inches; 
> 1/40th it was 3ft 9in x 4=in;
> 1/80th it was 4ft 6in x 5in.
> I don't know if that helps!
> 
> Let me know if you need any other help. I may be 
> able to help."
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Michael Key.
> The Blackstone Collection.
> ......................................
> It is suposed to run on residual oil.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:55:00 -0500 "Elden DuRand" 
> <edurand at mchsi.com>
> writes:
> > Ron:
> > 
> > Whut engine?  If it's spark ignition, I use the 
> cheap version of 
> > Coleman fuel, called Ozark brand at Wally 
> World.  It is Naptha with 
> > an octane around 50.  Works great in old 
> engines, doesn't turn to 
> > crud if left and the exhaust smells old-fashioned.
> > 
> > If it's one that's supposed to run on residual 
> oil, it may run fine 
> > on number 2 Diesel, available at any truck stop, etc.
> > 
> > Take care - Elden
> > edurand at mchsi.com
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
> 




From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sat Apr  7 18:05:23 2007
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:05:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
References: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<008d01c7791f$e1e7f250$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <00a801c77979$fd08bb00$caf5f504@Ed>

Hum,

Resistance is measured in Ohms and current in Amps.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico magneto


> Ron,
> The individual coil resistance should be 1.4 Amps, according to my Wico
> manual
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:27 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
>
>
>> Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of an EK.
>> I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  So..
>> could someone give me the values of resistance between the different
>> points.  Thanks.
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 01:01:40 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:01:40 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
In-Reply-To: <20070406.210851.272.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070406.210851.272.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704070101m34a0b9efy124a97c9360738eb@mail.gmail.com>

On 07/04/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
> The chart says my Blackstone engine runs on residual oil, what is
> residual oil?
>
> Ron Haskell

There were many types of oils available to run these engines on, and
'residual' oil is one of them.

It's a description of an oil that was a by-product of the main oil
refining process, I'll have a look tonight when I get back home and
see what the old books tell me.

Residual oil can also be used to describe other types of oil, which
makes it a bit confusing, I think that 'Shale' oils come into this
category.

These engines were built in the days when diesel oil/fuel was not
generally available, if at all, and petrol costs for big engines was a
lot of money, as were gas producer plants.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Apr  8 00:06:48 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:06:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
In-Reply-To: <20070407.173202.2028.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070407.173202.2028.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704080006wa9e0332ta18df78d9a0deff1@mail.gmail.com>

On 08/04/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:

> There were three sizes of flywheel available depending on the cyclic
> variation. I am not quite sure what that means but, a for a variation of
> -
> 1/20th the flywheel was 3feet 3 inches x 4 inches;
> 1/40th it was 3ft 9in x 4?in;
> 1/80th it was 4ft 6in x 5in.
> I don't know if that helps!
>

The 'Cyclic Variation' of an engine is the amount of speed change per
revolution caused by the firing stroke compared with the steady state
speed.

Thus the larger flywheel gives less variation than the smaller ones.

Generating sets sold by most UK companies including Lister gave Cyclic
Variation figures for most of their engines, companies such as Ruston
& Hornsby made engines with what were called  'Electric Flywheels" for
electricity generation sets.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Apr  8 05:16:39 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:16:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160704080006wa9e0332ta18df78d9a0deff1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070407.173202.2028.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6f6025160704080006wa9e0332ta18df78d9a0deff1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aeb5a321e1d92ee8877ff9b376928cfb@chartertn.net>


On Apr 8, 2007, at 3:06 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> companies such as Ruston
> & Hornsby made engines with what were called  'Electric Flywheels" for
> electricity generation sets.

As did Fairbanks-Morse. My little oilfield ZC52 has the heavy flywheels 
they used on the electric generating version.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 21:41:31 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:41:31 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
In-Reply-To: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704042141r4a6f4f4hbee3a1f5b2ddb8e7@mail.gmail.com>

On 04/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is
> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help
> would be appreciated!
> Peter Ogborne

If the DVD is played on a PC, then it's not normally a problem as the
TV element is not specific (PAL against NTSC or SECAM)

Plenty of DVD player programmes on the net, or you can get DVD players
that can be set to play one or the other. We bought a DVD player in
the States a couple of years ago on one of our visits, it could be set
up to play PAL or NTSC on the remote control. We also found a 'hack'
on the web to make it 'Region-Free' so we can play any region DVD's on
it.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Apr  8 06:52:47 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 06:52:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
References: <20070407.104103.2080.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <00c401c779e5$33a40f50$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Send it to me. I'll test it for you, all it's cost is the postage.....

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico magneto


> Thanks Peter.
> But what do I do If I don't have an Eisman Coil Tester?
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:10:25 +0100 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> writes:
>> On 06/04/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
>> > Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of 
>> an EK.
>> >  I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  
>> So..
>> > could someone give me the values of resistance between the 
>> different
>> > points.  Thanks.
>> >
>> > Ron Haskell
>> 
>> There are tables are on our website:
>> 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagCapMenu.htm
>> 
>> and the EK service manual is at:
>> 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagData5.htm
>> 
>> Peter
>> -- 
>> Peter A Forbes
>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>
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>



From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Apr  8 07:05:59 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 07:05:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <00cb01c779e7$099d52a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Mine is not an Eisemann, it's a Makelim.  What I did prior to the tester was 
usie an old base mount Bosch mag off a Caterpillar pony motor.  I cut the 
aluminum top off at the coil location, discarded the front cover, installed 
a good set of points and new condenser. Set the coil to be tested over the 
exposed magnets, connect the leads and use an insulated screwdriver to gauge 
the length of spark jump to the mag casing.  I spun it with a 3/8 hand drill 
chucked to the armature.  Worked fine for a long while. But, what I did find 
after getting the tester and using their values that a coil that looked good 
on the Bosch wasn't up to snuff according to the Makelim tester.  I found if 
the given value is exceeded, the coil has a hard time creating enough spark 
to fire the plugs.
Dave
Liked your idea also.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico magneto


> Ron:
>
> Doesn't EVERYONE have an Eisemann coil tester???
>
> What I'd do would be to make my own tester.  A 6 Volt battery, a doorbell 
> button and an auto condenser should do.
>
> - Hook the negative battery lead to one of the coil primary leads.
> - Hook the positive battery lead to one of the terminals of the doorbell 
> button -and- one lead of the condenser.
> - Hook the other doorbell button terminal to the other lead of the 
> condenser -and- the other coil primary lead.
> - Rig a piece of wire (or whatever) from the high-tension terminal of the 
> coil and route it so it is spaced about an eighth of an inch from the 
> negative battery lead.
>
> Everything set?  Now, tap the doorbell button.  You should get a nice 
> strong spark at the gap.
>
> You could also test the Wico condenser with this rig by substituting the 
> Wico condenser for the auto condenser and checking for spark.
>
> Should work.........no guarantee.........
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:41 PM
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico magneto
>>
>>
>> Thanks Peter.
>> But what do I do If I don't have an Eisman Coil Tester?
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
>
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> 




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Apr  8 09:23:18 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:23:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
References: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001201c779fa$3917e280$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto


> Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of an EK.
> I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  So..
> could someone give me the values of resistance between the different
> points.  Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell

Hi Ron, If you decide you have coil problems don't forget there is the 
modern materials single coil version with a better spark.
I tried one & it works well. (I have old ones as well)
See http://www.magnetoparts.com/wico_ek.htm
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr  8 12:42:35 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:42:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Putting Videos on PowerPoint OT
Message-ID: <005c01c77a16$0ef7d2a0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Need to talk to someone about how to copy a short video from Adobe Flash Player into a PowerPoint Display for a school presentation. Thanks

Paul



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Apr  8 15:55:14 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:55:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Putting Videos on PowerPoint OT
References: <005c01c77a16$0ef7d2a0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <000b01c77a30$f8d165c0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi PAul
There are plenty of sights on the NET.

http://www.amarasoftware.com/tutorials/importpowerpoint.html

http://www.mix-fx.com/tutorials/importpowerpoint.html

http://www.brainybetty.com/HowtoInsertFlashinPPT.viewlet/HowtoInsertFlashinPPT_launcher.html

Peter, Oz







> Need to talk to someone about how to copy a short video from Adobe Flash 
> Player into a PowerPoint Display for a school presentation. Thanks
>
> Paul
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Apr  8 16:20:15 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 07:20:15 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6f6025160704042141r4a6f4f4hbee3a1f5b2ddb8e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c77a34$7a76c2c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks Peter....we'll keep trying.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US


> On 04/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
>> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is
>> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help
>> would be appreciated!
>> Peter Ogborne
>
> If the DVD is played on a PC, then it's not normally a problem as the
> TV element is not specific (PAL against NTSC or SECAM)
>
> Plenty of DVD player programmes on the net, or you can get DVD players
> that can be set to play one or the other. We bought a DVD player in
> the States a couple of years ago on one of our visits, it could be set
> up to play PAL or NTSC on the remote control. We also found a 'hack'
> on the web to make it 'Region-Free' so we can play any region DVD's on
> it.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Apr  8 20:28:02 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 22:28:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shill Bidding!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070408222732.051e50e8@mail.alltel.net>

Want to see some SHILL BIDDING at it's best? Check this out: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120104459393
	Dave 



From mickdema at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  9 03:40:23 2007
From: mickdema at yahoo.com (Mick Demaria)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 03:40:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Wood gas producer/wood chipper info needed please
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <702670.80850.qm@web55902.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

 Hi Jerry:
 Have you considered using pellet fuel or ground up
corn cobs? I have had pretty good luck with stove
pellets. I can run a small generator all weeekend on
one bag. 
 Here are some links to the unit I built and some
producer gas info sites.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/wdgas/

http://www.oldengine.org/members/tvf/pics/ShowPicsWeb/MVC-033F.html

http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/executive_summary.shtml

http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_listserv.repp.org

http://www.fluidynenz.250x.com/mdf/mdf.html

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WoodGas/


  Mick


  
--- Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>          A friend of mine (no internet) is building
> a "wood gas producer" 
> to run an engine off (small engine - 3 HP) and is
> looking for information. 
> The plans he is working off are from the net but I
> do not know which site 
> but the one he is trying to copy runs a John Deere
> tractor and uses wood chips.
>          He has progressed pretty far with the unit
> and will probably be 
> able to give it a trial run within a week.
>          I'm looking for any additional information
> (or Internet sites) to 
> help him.
> 
>          The one thing that I would really like to
> find is plans for a home 
> built "wood chipper". Probably one that runs off a
> tractor P.T.O. and uses 
> a heavy flywheel with "teeth" (maybe Tungsten) to
> chip the wood. We have a 
> lot of green wood available (mostly Eucalyptus) from
> twig size up to 
> branches of about 3" (and even bigger).
> 
>          In the USA wood chippers seem to be pretty
> common but we do not 
> have them in South Africa so information is limited.
> His Tractor is a 60 HP 
> Landini but I would prefer something that would run
> off about 30 or 35 HP 
> (then I could also build one for my Massey Ferguson
> 35 to make compost with).
> 
>          Thanks in advance for any information and
> have a good holiday weekend.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787
> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
> Cell: 083 293 7191
> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans  
> 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr  9 11:01:44 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:01:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Wood gas producer/wood chipper info needed please
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1176134402.13842.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070409195306.00b06698@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 09/04/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 03:40:23 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Mick Demaria <mickdema at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Wood gas producer/wood chipper info needed please
>
>  Hi Jerry:
>  Have you considered using pellet fuel or ground up
>corn cobs? I have had pretty good luck with stove
>pellets. I can run a small generator all weeekend on
>one bag.
>  Here are some links to the unit I built and some
>producer gas info sites.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/wdgas/
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/tvf/pics/ShowPicsWeb/MVC-033F.html
>
>http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/executive_summary.shtml
>
>http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_listserv.repp.org
>
>http://www.fluidynenz.250x.com/mdf/mdf.html
>
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WoodGas/
>
>
>   Mick
>
>
>
>--- Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >          A friend of mine (no internet) is building
> > a "wood gas producer"


Hi Mick,
         Thanks for the info and links.

         Since the first post I have established that the producer he is 
building is the same as yours - ie. from: 
<http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/index.shtml>.

         Your site seems to have a lot of info but I have not the time 
right now to go through it all but will do so soon (with my friend).

         Expect more mail (and questions) from me as soon as he gets the 
thing going :-).

         Thanks very much for your reply.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Tue Apr 10 02:23:20 2007
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:23:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <000501c77781$afbf8800$5a83fb40@HP28276676518>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>	<4614BD5D.2030702@wightman.ca>
	<000501c77781$afbf8800$5a83fb40@HP28276676518>
Message-ID: <461B5788.7040604@wightman.ca>

You are right Gary. Many years ago, my mother got it into her head that 
I collected shot glasses and people were always picking them up for me.
My five year old daughter is always pointing things out to me that she 
thinks I should have as well. :-)

Duncan

Gary Epps wrote:

>I agree with you Duncan, but the scare may not be totally their fault.  I 
>have three, no, now only two old unstyled two cylinders.  I have green 
>things in the house that I would not have bought, but my extended family 
>has.  Clocks, water glasses, knick knack holders etc.  When they come from a 
>four year old grandson who finds something in the Dollar store with a green 
>tractor logo and says "Granddad needs this." it is a  precious gift and must 
>be displayed/used.
>
>I presume more green things are in my future.
>Gary
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Duncan Denman" <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
>
>
>  
>
>  
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Apr 10 05:21:13 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:21:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <461B5788.7040604@wightman.ca>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<4614BD5D.2030702@wightman.ca>
	<000501c77781$afbf8800$5a83fb40@HP28276676518>
	<461B5788.7040604@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <3551.165.206.180.53.1176207673.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

My wife quit collecting "owls" for this very reason. Like she said, her
tastes in owl things sure didn't match others's tastes. So she likes cat
stuff, after getting things from a few folks, she quit saying anything to
anyone about what she likes or would decorate with - she'd rather buy her
how.
I liked the owl things too - however, there are things that look like
owls, then hideous renditions of the poor feathered creature.

Barbara is making a "tractor quilt" for her aunt to give as a gift to
someone. The pattern included applique tractors (green and yellow, so I
supposed JD). She was not impressed, so she got a great embroidery pattern
for her new embroidery machine and did some blocks for the quilt with
that. She sent a few samples of each to her aunt. It was no contest!
The original embroidery pattern also had some sort of weird colors chosen
for certain parts. she knew of my love of tractors, so we changed a few
colors and now it's a decent looking tractor design. Some lucky kid will
have a green, yellow and white quilt with 30 4" x 6" green/yellow tractors
machine embroidered on it. See how tastes can vary..........  ;-)
I did explain that even though it was the WRONG color tractor, I would
help her with it. Red would have been much better.


Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4 coming soon
http://theamcpages.com

> You are right Gary. Many years ago, my mother got it into her head that
> I collected shot glasses and people were always picking them up for me.
> My five year old daughter is always pointing things out to me that she
> thinks I should have as well. :-)
>
> Duncan
>
> Gary Epps wrote:
>
>>I agree with you Duncan, but the scare may not be totally their fault.  I
>>have three, no, now only two old unstyled two cylinders.  I have green
>>things in the house that I would not have bought, but my extended family
>>has.  Clocks, water glasses, knick knack holders etc.  When they come
>> from a
>>four year old grandson who finds something in the Dollar store with a
>> green
>>tractor logo and says "Granddad needs this." it is a  precious gift and
>> must
>>be displayed/used.
>>
>>I presume more green things are in my future.
>>Gary
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Duncan Denman" <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:11 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net  Tue Apr 10 05:25:57 2007
From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:25:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Thank You
Message-ID: <006301c77b6b$64647210$3a52bc4c@pengy>

I just wanted to thank the SEL and ATIS for the contribution to the Tod Engine Foundation from the Charity Auction.  I haven't been posting on the SEL for a while but we are still making progress on the restoration of the Tod Engine.

First of all, for those not familiar, the Tod Engine is a 250 ton stationary steam engine that members of the SEL saved from scrap in 1996-97. It was removed from a steel plant in Youngstown and is now safe and sound on our own site where it is being reassembled.

The big project for this year is the enginehouse building.  My architect is working on plans for a 40' x 80' pole building which will house the engine (just barely) and protect it while its being restored. I already have most of the building materials on hand, I'm just waiting for the plans and permits so I can start construction. 

In keeping with the general theme of our museum I decided that we would attempt to produce our own electricity instead of connecting to the grid. To this end I purchased a Listeroid 6/1and a 10KW single phase alternator. As soon as the weather gets warm I will pour a concrete foundation for the genset inside a 10' x 12' shed which will become our powerhouse.  Yes I know a 6/1 will not generate 10KW but by using the larger alternator it will be easier to start heavier motor loads and will allow me to upgrade to a larger engine in the future without buying a new alternator.

Three phase power will be supplied by an ex military 10KW genset which produces 208VAC. Three phase will only be needed for a 35 foot span, 5 ton gantry crane which we purchased at an auction a couple of months ago. 

Our museum has shifted its focus toward the iron and steel industry and away from stationary steam power which was our focus earlier.  We have been the lucky recipient of a donation of a hot metal car from Pittsburgh and two diesel locomotives from Ellwood Engineered Castings in Hubbard. This equipment will be moved to the museum site sometime this year.

As usual there is never enough money to go around so progress is slow going.  However contributions such as the ATIS Auction proceeds certainly provide a needed shot in the arm, especially in the spring when work at the museum site is ramping up.

Thanks again for everyone's help and if you find yourself passing through NE Ohio on I-80 goint to Portland or Coolspring please stop by and see the mighty Tod.  We are just 5 minutes off of I-80 from the Hubbard Exit. 


Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH 44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Wed Apr 11 12:15:38 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:15:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts
Message-ID: <000c01c77c6d$ccb34a50$6cac123f@D8LJ7K91>

Hi:

Do any of you out there know where to look for obsolete new or used Wisconsin THD parts?  We need the drive gears for the distributor.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 11 16:06:24 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:06:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <000501c77c8e$07c32be0$7a526c3a@Edd>


EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Apr 11 16:16:27 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:16:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <bc0.fb91e0e.334ec64b@aol.com>

Message received in California on 04-11-2007 at 4:13 PM   

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, Ca




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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Wed Apr 11 18:55:31 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:55:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts
References: <000c01c77c6d$ccb34a50$6cac123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <009901c77ca5$a7a8bcd0$b6f14c0c@D48VHZ61>

I'm assuming they are no longer available from Wisconsin. Can their dealers 
do a search to see if another dealer has them on the shelf? I know farm 
equipment dealers do this quite often. Another thought is to contact a 
couple of dealers and see if they have a couple of junk engines sitting 
around. If they are like the dealer dad worked for they rarely threw 
anything away that could be robbed to get somebody going if new parts 
weren't available.


I logged onto wisconsin.com and was quite surprised that you can download 
parts books for free.

John Hall
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts


> Hi:
>
> Do any of you out there know where to look for obsolete new or used 
> Wisconsin THD parts?  We need the drive gears for the distributor.
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
> 


From nick at holden1.net  Wed Apr 11 23:33:55 2007
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:33:55 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000501c77c8e$07c32be0$7a526c3a@Edd>
Message-ID: <461DD2D3.000001.02288@YOUR-447023AE6B>

Got you hear at 00.13Hrs
 
 
Nick
Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Edd Payne
Date: 12/04/2007 00:13:50
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] test
 
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Apr 12 07:37:50 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:37:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <000501c77c8e$07c32be0$7a526c3a@Edd>
References: <000501c77c8e$07c32be0$7a526c3a@Edd>
Message-ID: <2543.165.206.180.53.1176388670.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Pleas send again, I didn't get it......... I think electrons from down
there are a different polarity or something.

Bill


>
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
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From shop at cccomm.net  Thu Apr 12 12:24:01 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:24:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts
References: <000c01c77c6d$ccb34a50$6cac123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <02b701c77d38$21cea5a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Glenn,
I have some parts. What size shaft, how many teeth and what style of cut are 
the gears?

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts


> Hi:
>
> Do any of you out there know where to look for obsolete new or used 
> Wisconsin THD parts?  We need the drive gears for the distributor.
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 12 12:52:29 2007
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:52:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1176393601.25905.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-F22F380E0495E277C366599C75E0@phx.gbl>

Have you tried PE Phillips or EVAPAR in Evansville?

>    1. Wisconsin engine parts (Glenn Karch)
>>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:15:38 -0500
>From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
>Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,
>	<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Message-ID: <000c01c77c6d$ccb34a50$6cac123f at D8LJ7K91>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hi:
>
>Do any of you out there know where to look for obsolete new or used 
>Wisconsin THD parts?  We need the drive gears for the distributor.
>
>Glenn Karch
>Hercules Historian
>Haubstadt, Indiana, USA

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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Apr 12 14:13:48 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:13:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.
In-Reply-To: <01fd01c77d40$81da6120$4001a8c0@toltbbs.com>
References: <01fd01c77d40$81da6120$4001a8c0@toltbbs.com>
Message-ID: <20070412211621.B6B1558B8C@gw1.nlenet.net>

Hi   Any one on this list who lives near Cheshire England?  I am 
looking at a clock works on ebay.  about 25 cm X 66 cm by 10 cm.  I 
would need it picked up, Then I need to figure out how to get it over 
here (Western New York State USA)

Thanks

Frank

  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  

From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Apr 12 15:59:08 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:59:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.
References: <01fd01c77d40$81da6120$4001a8c0@toltbbs.com>
	<20070412211621.B6B1558B8C@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <003601c77d56$2ea25b00$e5c30b52@no1>

Hi Frank. I live in Cheshire but its a big county, Do you have a town name?
I will contact you off-list.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Slick Willie" <slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.


> Hi   Any one on this list who lives near Cheshire England?  I am 
> looking at a clock works on ebay.  about 25 cm X 66 cm by 10 cm.  I 
> would need it picked up, Then I need to figure out how to get it over 
> here (Western New York State USA)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Frank
> 
>  Frank DeWitt
> 
>  Light plant WEB page 
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
>  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
>  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
>  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
>  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com


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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Apr 12 16:25:30 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:25:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.
In-Reply-To: <20070412211621.B6B1558B8C@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <016201c77d59$dc8c1dc0$8335c53e@doc>

Frank

I live about eight miles from the Cheshire border if that helps?  I am about
25 miles south of Chester.  Dave Croft is probably closer, though.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Frank DeWitt
> Sent: 12 April 2007 22:14
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Cc: Slick Willie
> Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.
> 
> Hi   Any one on this list who lives near Cheshire England?  I am 
> looking at a clock works on ebay.  about 25 cm X 66 cm by 10 cm.  I 
> would need it picked up, Then I need to figure out how to get it over 
> here (Western New York State USA)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Frank
> 
>   Frank DeWitt
> 
>   Light plant WEB page 
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.o
> rg/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
>   Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
>   LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
>   2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
>   Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  




From Frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Apr 12 18:10:07 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:10:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Pick up in Cheshire England.
Message-ID: <20070413011016.687E358D08@gw1.nlenet.net>


Frank

I live about eight miles from the Cheshire border if that helps?  I am about
25 miles south of Chester.  Dave Croft is probably closer, though.

Regards

      Pete


Thank you.  I ma checking now to see just where this place is.  The 
next step is to see if i am the high bedder, and then to figure out 
how to get it over here.

For the rest of you patient soles out there, I am looking at a 
Synchronome Master clock movement.  Old iron, but lighter weight old 
iron ;-)   They were used to run the clocks in school rooms and 
railroad stations etc.  In the US master clocks were made by IBM, 
Stromberg and others, but the Synchronome is quite unique.

Any one on this side of the pond have one they want to dell?  ;-)  To 
my knowlege, they were never sold in the US.

Frank DeWitt


  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  

From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Apr 12 20:12:15 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:12:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.
In-Reply-To: <20070413011016.687E358D08@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <20070413011016.687E358D08@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070412220400.04733b88@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Frank,

>Thank you.  I ma checking now to see just where this place is.  The next 
>step is to see if i am the high bedder, and then to figure out how to get 
>it over here.

The postal service would be the best way. However, using it would mean that 
you are using a government agency. Better think about that a LONG time 
before you decide! (UPS is probably a better solution for you--but it will 
cost you about 9 times as much!)


>For the rest of you patient soles out there, I am looking at a Synchronome 
>Master clock movement.  Old iron, but lighter weight old iron ;-)   They 
>were used to run the clocks in school rooms

Were these government schools? If so you had better think twice about this 
purchase!

>  and railroad stations etc.

Were the RR's private in the UK when this clock was used? If not see the above!

>   In the US master clocks were made by IBM, Stromberg and others, but the 
> Synchronome is quite unique.
>
>Any one on this side of the pond have one they want to dell?  ;-)  To my 
>knowlege, they were never sold in the US.
>
>Frank DeWitt

Good luck with your purchase!
         Dave
PS, Tell Dave Croft, when he contacts you off list, that NOTHING in the UK 
is big!




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 12 21:26:24 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:26:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking
Message-ID: <001101c77d83$e6446be0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Hey gang what is the best way to resurface a ball seat on a fuel pump, mine is leaking down and it has new check balls in it.

Paul



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr 12 21:43:45 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:43:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking
References: <001101c77d83$e6446be0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <004101c77d86$5233bac0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Paul
I have a number of wooden dowels that have various stainless steel balls 
glued to the ends of them. I find one that is the diameter of the ball on 
the job and use very fine grinding paste and oil, then go as fine as Brasso 
polishing liquid (do you guys have that over there?) I just rotate the dowel 
as you would grinding normal engine valves, lifting and dropping as you 
rotate. Works a treat for me.
I think most balls are common sizes eg. 5/32", 3/16", 1/4", 5/16" etc

Peter, Oz





> Hey gang what is the best way to resurface a ball seat on a fuel pump, 
> mine is leaking down and it has new check balls in it.
>
> Paul
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Apr 13 05:29:04 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:29:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking
In-Reply-To: <001101c77d83$e6446be0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEJIFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

If the pump housing is brass, you could try dropping the ball into the seat and then, using a soft (brass) punch, tap it with a hammer.  If the seat isn't too bad, the ball will impress it's shape on the brass and you're back in business.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:26 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking
> 
> 
> Hey gang what is the best way to resurface a ball 
> seat on a fuel pump, mine is leaking down and it 
> has new check balls in it.
> 
> Paul




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Apr 13 07:49:51 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:49:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.
Message-ID: <20070413.105239.604.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Dave Rotigel,

Who is in charge of making & placing the bricks on the walk at Ft Allen ?
I want to get one for John Collins.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " Traders, Moneylenders and Pimps 
  (_o_)                   are playing their trade in the temple."


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 13 08:05:03 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:05:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking
References: <001101c77d83$e6446be0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<004101c77d86$5233bac0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <001501c77ddd$1fa463a0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Peter, this sounds like a super way of doing it.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking


> Hi Paul
> I have a number of wooden dowels that have various stainless steel balls
> glued to the ends of them. I find one that is the diameter of the ball on
> the job and use very fine grinding paste and oil, then go as fine as 
> Brasso
> polishing liquid (do you guys have that over there?) I just rotate the 
> dowel
> as you would grinding normal engine valves, lifting and dropping as you
> rotate. Works a treat for me.
> I think most balls are common sizes eg. 5/32", 3/16", 1/4", 5/16" etc
>
> Peter, Oz
>




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 13 08:14:44 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:14:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEJIFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <005501c77dde$780936f0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Elden.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking


> Paul:
>
> If the pump housing is brass, you could try dropping the ball into the 
> seat and then, using a soft (brass) punch, tap it with a hammer.  If the 
> seat isn't too bad, the ball will impress it's shape on the brass and 
> you're back in business.
>
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> 



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Fri Apr 13 09:54:32 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:54:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Pick up in Cheshire England.
Message-ID: <20070413165631.D7B685832C@gw1.nlenet.net>


Hi Frank,

 >Thank you.  I ma checking now to see just where this place is.  The next
 >step is to see if i am the high bedder, and then to figure out how to get
 >it over here.

The postal service would be the best way. However, using it would mean that
you are using a government agency. Better think about that a LONG time
before you decide! (UPS is probably a better solution for you--but it will
cost you about 9 times as much!)

I am working hard at finding another way probably a private shipper 
will be best.


 >For the rest of you patient soles out there, I am looking at a Synchronome
 >Master clock movement.  Old iron, but lighter weight old iron ;-)   They
 >were used to run the clocks in school rooms

Were these government schools? If so you had better think twice about this
purchase!
I spent may years repairing these systems in Government schools. As a 
repair man you see the schools as they really are. After going into 
mechanical design work I had a second job repairing clocks in 
government schools That is where I made the money to send my kids to 
a private school.

I have no problem taking money from the Government schools, I just 
wouldn't send a kid there based on what I saw while fixing clocks.

 >  and railroad stations etc.

Were the RR's private in the UK when this clock was used? If not see the above!

 >   In the US master clocks were made by IBM, Stromberg and others, but the
 > Synchronome is quite unique.
 >
 >Any one on this side of the pond have one they want to dell?  ;-)  To my
 >knowlege, they were never sold in the US.
 >
 >Frank DeWitt

Good luck with your purchase!
          Dave
PS, Tell Dave Croft, when he contacts you off list, that NOTHING in the UK
is big!

Actually I would like to get over there and see some of there big and 
wonderful steam traction engines and showman's engines.

Frank


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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr 14 04:30:30 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:30:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT Funny where you find a little humour
Message-ID: <000d01c77e88$5056db30$e5c30b52@no1>

Time for a smile...

1) go to http://maps.google.com/
2) click on 'get directions'
3) type London to New York
4) click on the 'get directions' button on the right
5) go to point 37....

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Apr 14 09:54:57 2007
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:54:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Funny where you find a little humour
References: <000d01c77e88$5056db30$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <000701c77eb5$a38e97c0$5583fb40@HP28276676518>

Interesting Dave.  I tried this a couple of days ago going from New York to 
London, in which case you swim the Atlantic at step 23.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "stationary-engine at atis.net" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 6:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT Funny where you find a little humour


> Time for a smile...
>
> 1) go to http://maps.google.com/
> 2) click on 'get directions'
> 3) type London to New York
> 4) click on the 'get directions' button on the right
> 5) go to point 37....
>
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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> 



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sat Apr 14 11:45:02 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:45:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Funny where you find a little humour
References: <000d01c77e88$5056db30$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <001f01c77ec5$03394350$6500a8c0@home>

Dave  :

   You will lose your taste for sushi by the time you get here , wear a 
helmet lots of stray ice burgs out there !


Rex
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "stationary-engine at atis.net" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 6:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT Funny where you find a little humour


> Time for a smile...
>
> 1) go to http://maps.google.com/
> 2) click on 'get directions'
> 3) type London to New York
> 4) click on the 'get directions' button on the right
> 5) go to point 37....
>
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Apr 16 12:38:56 2007
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:38:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <001f01c7805e$e18465a0$a1a2e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

test ,Haven't had any posts in the last few days.

Craig in Scotland


From nick at holden1.net  Mon Apr 16 13:00:32 2007
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:00:32 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <001f01c7805e$e18465a0$a1a2e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <4623D5E0.000001.02368@YOUR-447023AE6B>

Nor have I 
Every one must be getting engines ready for the shows
Or something 
 
 
Nick
Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: craig morrison
Date: 16/04/2007 20:48:01
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] test
 
test ,Haven't had any posts in the last few days.
 
Craig in Scotland
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17:53
 
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Apr 16 14:06:48 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:06:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <001f01c7805e$e18465a0$a1a2e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEMNFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

We all be asleep.  Quitcher knockin'!  Done woke me up.      :-)

Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of craig
> morrison
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 02:39 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] test
> 
> 
> test ,Haven't had any posts in the last few days.
> 
> Craig in Scotland




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Apr 16 14:26:08 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:26:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>

I expect lots of US folks glued to TV watching about the gunman killing 32 
students/faculty this morning on the campus of Virginia Polytechnical Inst., 
Blacksburg, Virginia.  Very tragic!   


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Apr 16 14:49:46 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:49:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <001f01c7805e$e18465a0$a1a2e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <000301c78071$268b6d80$0601a8c0@altech>

That will give you more time for restorations ;-))

Peter, Oz





> test ,Haven't had any posts in the last few days.
> 
> Craig in Scotland
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Apr 16 15:45:26 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:45:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Make that 33 Tom. ....................
Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that is
here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is far
too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination for
guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a .22
bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of playing
with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now I 
find other more enjoyable things to do
It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and 
school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to target 
tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these events 
and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism 
intended .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test


>I expect lots of US folks glued to TV watching about the gunman killing 32
> students/faculty this morning on the campus of Virginia Polytechnical
> Inst.,
> Blacksburg, Virginia.  Very tragic!
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Apr 16 19:10:28 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:10:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>

Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem. 
More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't 
obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a 
difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws 
restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person 
that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have 
stopped. BUT that is illegal.


peter ogborne wrote:
> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that is
> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is far
> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination for
> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a .22
> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of playing
> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now I 
> find other more enjoyable things to do
> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and 
> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to target 
> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these events 
> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism 
> intended .
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
> 


From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Apr 16 20:46:23 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:46:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOENFFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Truer words have never been spoken.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Steve W.
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 09:10 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
> 
............................snip.....................
> If ONE person that was there had a firearm and used it the 
> shooting would have stopped. BUT that is illegal.




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Apr 16 19:54:11 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:54:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <00c101c7809b$af727ab0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Funny you should say that! I said exactly the same to Marg this morning.
I have been known t mention a town in Texas that require all residents to 
carry and be trained in the use of guns.
I am led to believe the crime rate is among the lowest in America.
No politician is even interested !
As the crime rises around us here, Marg and I have no way of defending 
outselves legally! The Police, if called, are a long way away from here and 
response time is in hours!  No wonder there were 18 break and enters around 
Newcastle area Sunday night/ Mon early morning.
The police were all home recovering from the road revenue raising.
Its a sad world!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
repeal ALL the current laws
> restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
> that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
> stopped. BUT that is illegal.




From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Mon Apr 16 19:55:11 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:55:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engine book
Message-ID: <005801c7809b$d21ed270$bff7123f@D8LJ7K91>

Hi to all,

I have just completed one of my winter projects.  I have  made up a few copies of a new book I just published entitled "The Kewanee Engine Story".  If you are interested, contact me for more details.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Apr 16 20:58:30 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:58:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070416225514.04d9de50@mail.alltel.net>


>It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>school students and tragically they are all young .

That is because guns are not allowed on a collage campus and in grade or 
high schools. If they were the purp would be taken out before he shot very 
many people!
         Dave



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Apr 16 21:10:57 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:10:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engine book
In-Reply-To: <005801c7809b$d21ed270$bff7123f@D8LJ7K91>
References: <005801c7809b$d21ed270$bff7123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070416230750.04e1de60@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Glenn,
         I read the pin-ultimate proof of your Kewanee book while at the 
Zolfo Show. It was GREAT and I want two of the books that you just 
published. Please let me know how much I owe you and where to send the money!
         Dave

At 09:55 PM 4/16/2007, you wrote:
>Hi to all,
>I have just completed one of my winter projects.  I have  made up a few 
>copies of a new book I just published entitled "The Kewanee Engine 
>Story".  If you are interested, contact me for more details.
>Glenn Karch



From driggars at wildblue.net  Mon Apr 16 20:53:02 2007
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:53:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070416225514.04d9de50@mail.alltel.net>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070416225514.04d9de50@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4624449E.9030701@wildblue.net>

yep, already a law against having weapons on or any where near schools, 
etc. 

why does some people think that making more laws solve the problem?



Dave Rotigel wrote:
>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>> school students and tragically they are all young .
>>     
>
> That is because guns are not allowed on a collage campus and in grade or 
> high schools. If they were the purp would be taken out before he shot very 
> many people!
>          Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>   



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Mon Apr 16 21:03:16 2007
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:03:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>

The governor of the state of Missouri signed a law last week that permits a 
person to defend him or herself and families.   Some of us have already 
assumed we had that right.  I'm waiting to read the text of the law.  It is 
effective Aug. 1 or when someone enters my house w/o an invitation if 
sooner.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem.
> More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't
> obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a
> difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws
> restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
> that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
> stopped. BUT that is illegal.
>
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
>> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
>> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that 
>> is
>> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is 
>> far
>> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination 
>> for
>> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a .22
>> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of playing
>> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now I
>> find other more enjoyable things to do
>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to 
>> target
>> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these 
>> events
>> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism
>> intended .
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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> 4:22 PM
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From lyle45859 at roadrunner.com  Mon Apr 16 21:54:18 2007
From: lyle45859 at roadrunner.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:54:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <462452FA.000001.01956@CATS-D22786ABFC>

I just have to add my two cents to this post. I do not feel that the law is
so much the problem as the punishment the criminals gets. The prisons are
full of inmates that are not violent and the violent inmates are paroled
early or get probation due to over crowding of the prisons with inmates that
should not be there. We need to enact stronger penalties against the
criminals.  By this, have the prisoners pay for their keep and not put it on
the tax payers, take away all there rights as most inmates have more rights
than the victum. Make prison a living hell and not a country club and even
though I'm a Christian I believe that the death penalty should be reinstated
and not have someone on death row for centuries before they are executed.
Enforce the laws we have and send clear message to the criminals that prison
is not place to be and if they go make sure they never forget the rights of
the law abiding citizens of our great nation. My step-father worked for the
Ohio Department of Corrections for over thirty years and when growing up I
lived on prison grounds and saw first hand the life the inmates lived, color
televisions in their cells, buy any thing from the inmate store they wanted,
paid for their work ect. I feel this is wrong as they should only have a bed
to sleep in, a place to do their business and sixteen hours a day work,
seven days a week to pay for their crimes against humanity. Some will say
that I'm wrong but I have seen the life the inmates live and at least in
Ohio if you break the law you know you will be going to a prison that treats
you like a King and not like a criminal.
Lyle Myles
NW OH
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Steve W. 
Date: 04/16/07 22:15:58 
To: The SEL email discussion list 
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT 
 
Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem. 
More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't 
Obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a 
Difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws 
Restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person 
That was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have 
Stopped. BUT that is illegal. 
 
 
Peter ogborne wrote: 
> Make that 33 Tom. .................... 
> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of 
> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that is

> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is far

> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination
for 
> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a .22 
> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of playing 
> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now I 
> find other more enjoyable things to do 
> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and 
> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to
target 
> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these
events 
> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism 
> intended . 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com> 
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM 
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test 
> 
_______________________________________________ 
SEL mailing list 
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Apr 17 00:07:37 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:07:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
Message-ID: <001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and 
then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to 
reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable but 
a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be 
mayhem!
I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and 
saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in 
Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and 
you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be 
reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million hand 
guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from ,maybe 
they are correct ,maybe not.
I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem in 
the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National 
Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying 
power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun 
control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this 
morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> The governor of the state of Missouri signed a law last week that permits 
> a
> person to defend him or herself and families.   Some of us have already
> assumed we had that right.  I'm waiting to read the text of the law.  It 
> is
> effective Aug. 1 or when someone enters my house w/o an invitation if
> sooner.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>
>
>> Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem.
>> More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't
>> obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a
>> difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws
>> restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
>> that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
>> stopped. BUT that is illegal.
>>
>>
>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
>>> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
>>> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that
>>> is
>>> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is
>>> far
>>> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination
>>> for
>>> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a 
>>> .22
>>> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of 
>>> playing
>>> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now 
>>> I
>>> find other more enjoyable things to do
>>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>>> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to
>>> target
>>> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these
>>> events
>>> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism
>>> intended .
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Apr 17 00:15:18 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:15:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><6.1.2.0.0.20070416225514.04d9de50@mail.alltel.net>
	<4624449E.9030701@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <013d01c780c0$31cf3dd0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Ya really dont need us to answer that, do ya? If ya dont know the answer, 
you are one of them!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clint D" <driggars at wildblue.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> yep, already a law against having weapons on or any where near schools,
> etc.
>
> why does some people think that making more laws solve the problem?
>
>
>
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>>> school students and tragically they are all young .
>>>
>>
>> That is because guns are not allowed on a collage campus and in grade or
>> high schools. If they were the purp would be taken out before he shot 
>> very
>> many people!
>>          Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Apr 17 00:20:34 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:20:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<462452FA.000001.01956@CATS-D22786ABFC>
Message-ID: <015c01c780c1$12420af0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Have you any idea how many out there agree with you?
I would guess about 98% of the population.
So, how long before the 'Silent majority' get heard?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at roadrunner.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


>I just have to add my two cents to this post. I do not feel that the law is
> so much the problem as the punishment the criminals gets. The prisons are
> full of inmates that are not violent and the violent inmates are paroled
> early or get probation due to over crowding of the prisons with inmates 
> that
> should not be there. We need to enact stronger penalties against the
> criminals.  By this, have the prisoners pay for their keep and not put it 
> on
> the tax payers, take away all there rights as most inmates have more 
> rights
> than the victum. Make prison a living hell and not a country club and even
> though I'm a Christian I believe that the death penalty should be 
> reinstated
> and not have someone on death row for centuries before they are executed.
> Enforce the laws we have and send clear message to the criminals that 
> prison
> is not place to be and if they go make sure they never forget the rights 
> of
> the law abiding citizens of our great nation. My step-father worked for 
> the
> Ohio Department of Corrections for over thirty years and when growing up I
> lived on prison grounds and saw first hand the life the inmates lived, 
> color
> televisions in their cells, buy any thing from the inmate store they 
> wanted,
> paid for their work ect. I feel this is wrong as they should only have a 
> bed
> to sleep in, a place to do their business and sixteen hours a day work,
> seven days a week to pay for their crimes against humanity. Some will say
> that I'm wrong but I have seen the life the inmates live and at least in
> Ohio if you break the law you know you will be going to a prison that 
> treats
> you like a King and not like a criminal.
> Lyle Myles
> NW OH
>
> -------Original Message------- 
>
> From: Steve W.
> Date: 04/16/07 22:15:58
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>
> Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem.
> More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't
> Obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a
> Difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws
> Restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
> That was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
> Stopped. BUT that is illegal.
>
>
> Peter ogborne wrote:
>> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
>> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
>> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that 
>> is
>
>> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is 
>> far
>
>> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination
> for
>> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a .22
>> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of playing
>> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now I
>> find other more enjoyable things to do
>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to
> target
>> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these
> events
>> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism
>> intended .
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Apr 17 00:59:58 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:59:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally
Message-ID: <20070417075852.ZQRE28205.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Last weekend was spent down in Wagga at their rally. As always a great
weekend with a friendly club. Engine numbers were a little down but it was
still a good display and a good weekend was had by all. Pictures at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/wag071.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Apr 17 01:28:03 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:28:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net><010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <016701c780ca$5326cf70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hey Peter, let me ask you if you agree with the latest efforts of our lot.
Graffiti, Dont do anything strenuous to control or erradicate it. Just 'Ban 
sales to those under 18' Thus, those with a genuine need get penalised.(Its 
all locked away)
Illegal drugs.  Ban pharmacies from selling cough tablets and linctus! (So 
the crims cannot get raw materials)
And so it goes!
So, by your thinking, We should all rely on the pathetic, under resourced, 
police force for our welfare?
Get real!!  Your welfare is YOUR concern!
There are more ways of handling this that outright warfare.
Pressure on your so called 'Reps' in government would be a start.
I personally think things have sunk too far to be remedied in the short term 
but, hey, a start HAS to be made soon or we may as well chuck in the towel 
and give the place to the crims.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and
> then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to
> reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable 
> but
> a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be
> mayhem!
> I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and
> saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in
> Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
> Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and
> you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be
> reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
> A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million 
> hand
> guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from 
> ,maybe
> they are correct ,maybe not.
> I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem 
> in
> the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National
> Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying
> power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
> Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun
> control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this
> morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>
>
>> The governor of the state of Missouri signed a law last week that permits
>> a
>> person to defend him or herself and families.   Some of us have already
>> assumed we had that right.  I'm waiting to read the text of the law.  It
>> is
>> effective Aug. 1 or when someone enters my house w/o an invitation if
>> sooner.
>>
>> Gary
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>>
>>
>>> Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem.
>>> More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't
>>> obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a
>>> difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws
>>> restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
>>> that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
>>> stopped. BUT that is illegal.
>>>
>>>
>>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>>> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
>>>> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
>>>> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that
>>>> is
>>>> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is
>>>> far
>>>> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination
>>>> for
>>>> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a
>>>> .22
>>>> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of
>>>> playing
>>>> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now
>>>> I
>>>> find other more enjoyable things to do
>>>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>>>> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to
>>>> target
>>>> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these
>>>> events
>>>> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism
>>>> intended .
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>>>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 02:30:18 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:30:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704170230w178f1460r11a5844878bc4cff@mail.gmail.com>

On 17/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:

A little bit of editing/snipping would be a good idea on these threads please!

Not just Peter O but everyone. The indiscriminate posting of replies
and List headers is making these emails hugely over-length and
unnecessarily so.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 02:32:13 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:32:13 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704170232g6411aad6k5f5f4595ed0fce90@mail.gmail.com>

On 17/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:

''The Right To Bare Arms''

Peter:

We can all wear T-Shirts, regardless of our country.... :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From clemsweller at etczone.com  Tue Apr 17 02:52:18 2007
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:52:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000001c780d6$16516c20$42f44460$@com>

So, Peter, do you think that more gun control laws would keep a crazy person
such as this from obtaining a gun and carrying out their plan?  I don't!
The only thing gun control laws will do is make it tougher for honest
citizens to get them.  Criminals and those such as the gunman in yesterday's
tragic event will still find access to them.  Laws apparently don't mean
anything to someone in this state of mind.  

In my mind, there were three tragedies in yesterday's shooting.  First and
foremost the 33 individuals that died.  Second, the fact that there are
crazies in this world that would commit such an act.  And Third tragedy is
the fact that the American public is being turned into sheep.  We haven't
heard of one report of a student attempting to confront this idiot!  I would
presume he would have to reload at some point.  Unfortunately, the American
public have been "trained" to let the LAW deal with these issues.  Don't get
involved.  To that, I say horse hockey!  If facing imminent death, at least
try to defend yourself in some way.  Maybe some of those killed did.  If so,
you can bet our bleeding heart news reporters won't report it!  At least the
crazy had enough presence of mind to kill himself! Otherwise, we would have
to support his sorry but for the next 20 years while he went through a trial
and waited for his sentencing.  

Peter, yes, in this case, it should be a case of shoot first and the hell
with the questions!  After you have seen the individual is on a killing
rampage, it is kill or be killed. 

Proud owner of 30+ guns!

Chuck Emsweller

I'll give up my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands!

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:08 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT

So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and 
then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to 
reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable but

a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be 
mayhem!
I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and 
saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in 
Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and 
you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be 
reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million hand 
guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from ,maybe

they are correct ,maybe not.
I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem in

the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National 
Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying 
power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun 
control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this 
morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> The governor of the state of Missouri signed a law last week that permits 
> a
> person to defend him or herself and families.   Some of us have already
> assumed we had that right.  I'm waiting to read the text of the law.  It 
> is
> effective Aug. 1 or when someone enters my house w/o an invitation if
> sooner.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>
>
>> Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem.
>> More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't
>> obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a
>> difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws
>> restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
>> that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
>> stopped. BUT that is illegal.
>>
>>
>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
>>> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
>>> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that
>>> is
>>> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is
>>> far
>>> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination
>>> for
>>> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a 
>>> .22
>>> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of 
>>> playing
>>> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now 
>>> I
>>> find other more enjoyable things to do
>>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>>> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to
>>> target
>>> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these
>>> events
>>> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism
>>> intended .
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
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>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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>> 4:22 PM
>>
>>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Apr 17 02:58:32 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:58:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net><010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518><001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6f6025160704170230w178f1460r11a5844878bc4cff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c780d6$f92310d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Yes Master!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> On 17/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
>
> A little bit of editing/snipping would be a good idea on these threads 
> please!
>
> Not just Peter O but everyone. The indiscriminate posting of replies
> and List headers is making these emails hugely over-length and
> unnecessarily so.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Apr 17 03:01:57 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:01:57 +0800
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net><010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518><001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6f6025160704170232g6411aad6k5f5f4595ed0fce90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002201c780d7$736dd410$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

You can strip down to your jocks if you want to .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> On 17/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> ''The Right To Bare Arms''
> 
> Peter:
> 
> We can all wear T-Shirts, regardless of our country.... :-))
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Apr 17 03:29:00 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:29:00 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT Virginia Uni Killings
Message-ID: <000d01c780db$3a565cc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Chuck and Reg .My opinions are as a complete out sider . I am trying not  to 
be critical of the Laws that you have in the US . I can only repeat what I 
hear and that is Virginia has very lax laws. It seems , so i hear that a 
person can go to a gun show and buy  an assault rifle with out any 
conditions. If this is so then it is no wonder that there are crazys out 
there trying to emulate what they might see on TV . If this is what the law 
allows then so be it and good luck to you in the US.
To Reg ....if you want to go down the road that the US has followed what can 
i say except that i hope not to be around.
Chuck ,as for defending myself ,my wife ,my property yes up there with the 
best of them ,I am not a shrinking violet.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Apr 17 03:30:51 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:30:51 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT Bare Arms
Message-ID: <001101c780db$7be951b0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

To all ,please excuse my slip and it was not  being flippant ......a genuine 
mistake .
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Apr 17 05:46:13 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:46:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518><001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<000001c780d6$16516c20$42f44460$@com>
Message-ID: <001e01c780ee$6331ac40$7a526c3a@Edd>

YEH .Arm all the public and you to can be as safe as living and dying in 
Iraq.(NOW THERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE )
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> So, Peter, do you think that more gun control laws would keep a crazy 
> person
> such as this from obtaining a gun and carrying out their plan?  I don't!
> The only thing gun control laws will do is make it tougher for honest
.

> Proud owner of 30+ guns!
EDD PAYNE PROUD OWNER OF 200 OLD.ENGINES(APROX) AND NO GUNS>




From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Apr 17 07:21:36 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:21:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOENMFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

The massacre of yesterday wouldn't have been nearly as bad had a few of those students or porfessors been carrying.  Someone would have taken the crazy out early on.

I do believe someone should be required to pass a background check before (legally) buying a handgun as is the case in most states.  Also, if you want to legally carry concealed, you have to go through a course in shooting safety and prove that you can hit the side of a barn before you can get a permit.

Statistics prove that an armed populace (within reason) has less crime.  If the criminals know that you could have a weapon and could use it against them, they're much less liable to do the deed.

As for the perp of yesterday, it is nearly impossible to stop someone who's deranged and wants to kill a bunch of people in a suicide attack.  Take away guns and the person will use a knife, a bomb, a vehicle, fire or any number of other deadly weapons to do the deed.  The best defense is to take 'em out before the damage gets worse.  

Now, I don't think there'll be wholesale killing in the streets because people can be prosecuted for shooting before thinking about the consequences of a bad decision.

............................end of rant......................

Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of peter
> ogborne
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 02:08 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
> 
> 
> So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a 
> case of shoot first and 
> then ask questions?We have a law that says that 
> we can use like force to 
> reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody 
> stupid and quite unworkable but 
> a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of 
> arming everyone,It would be 
> mayhem!
...........snip............................




From christison at coastalnet.com  Tue Apr 17 06:44:55 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:44:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic discussion list
Message-ID: <380-220074217134455765@coastalnet.com>

For those of you who want to continue discussion of  "off topic" issues
such as gun control, there is a list that was created just for you.  Just
go to: http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic  to
subscribe.

Mind you, most of the traffic has been my sharing of my photography,
but any member can discuss anything, within reason.  You can also 
discuss your other, non engine related, hobbies here.

Hope to see a few new faces on the list.

Take care.

Ken Christison
www.oldiron-nut.com
www.kenskritters.com




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr 17 08:06:47 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:06:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417100221.04e5b168@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Peter,
         We have people here in the USA who argue as you do on this issue. 
In general they are lilly livered cowards who take no responsibility for 
their own lives and safety, but rather expect government to take care of 
them from the cradle to the grave. We call them DEMOCRATS!
         Dave

At 02:07 AM 4/17/2007, you wrote:
>So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and
>then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to
>reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable but
>a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be
>mayhem!
>I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and
>saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in
>Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
>Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and
>you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be
>reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
>A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million hand
>guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from ,maybe
>they are correct ,maybe not.
>I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem in
>the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National
>Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying
>power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
>Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun
>control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this
>morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Apr 17 07:16:15 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:16:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <001e01c780ee$6331ac40$7a526c3a@Edd>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<000001c780d6$16516c20$42f44460$@com>
	<001e01c780ee$6331ac40$7a526c3a@Edd>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070417091846.03001eb0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hello Edd,
  I can Guarantee you that if the "law abiding" citizens of the United 
States were all permitted to be armed and packing in the US there would be 
few or no problems like you see in Iraq. And most of the problems we see 
now would be reduced greatly. Not saying that there will not be the 
occasional accident. But the real crime rate will decrease. The law abiding 
greatly outnumber the criminals. But when the law abiding are outgunned by 
criminals the few can terrorize the many.
   As has already been said on this forum if one person had been armed 
(legally or not) the possability of stopping this person early on would 
have increased greatly. In this case the lack of fire arms in the hands of 
law abiding citizens as required by law is in my opinion as much to blame 
as the  presence of one bad person with a gun.
  Let me ask this one question, If guns can not help resolve or controll a 
situation like this then why are the Police armed? Even the Brits realized 
a few years ago that their Police needed to be armed and did so.
Take this analogy and think about it, Think of guns as mice and cats. The 
cats are good people and mice are criminals. One cat can keep the mice in 
check. No cat and you are overrun by mice. Mind you now I said in check not 
eliminated.
Or if its thought about the other way around the one bad cat criminal keeps 
the law abiding mice in hiding and cowering.  And the second half of this 
analogy is why the US founding documents gives the citizenry the right to 
own and bare arms, to keep the oppressive nature of Government in check.
  Just my 2cents worth.  I will comment no more on this subject.
     LET The Engine shows begin in the US!!!                   TTYL,   Mark
At 08:46 AM 4/17/07, you wrote:
>YEH .Arm all the public and you to can be as safe as living and dying in
>Iraq.(NOW THERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE )
>EDD PAYNE
>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
>Australia
>2852
>Phone:0263742387
>edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>edsengns
EDD PAYNE PROUD OWNER OF 200 OLD.ENGINES(APROX) AND NO GUNS>

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

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Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
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them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 17 07:32:16 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:32:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417100221.04e5b168@mail.alltel.net>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070417100221.04e5b168@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4624DA70.2030206@scrtc.com>

Dave,
    Or Giuliani.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hi Peter,
>         We have people here in the USA who argue as you do on this issue. 
>In general they are lilly livered cowards who take no responsibility for 
>their own lives and safety, but rather expect government to take care of 
>them from the cradle to the grave. We call them DEMOCRATS!
>         Dave
>  
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Apr 17 07:39:15 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:39:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
Message-ID: <20070417.110519.1312.0.jlb94@juno.com>

why does some people think that making more laws solve the problem?
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
       =        =        
Because the "People" demand that "Government" do something - 
right or wrong.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " Traders, Moneylenders and Pimps 
  (_o_)                   are playing their trade in the temple."


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Apr 17 07:53:11 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:53:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
Message-ID: <20070417.110519.1312.1.jlb94@juno.com>

"The right to KEEP and bear arms"

Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " Traders, Moneylenders and Pimps 
  (_o_)                   are playing their trade in the temple."


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Apr 17 08:17:02 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:17:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally
Message-ID: <20070417.111812.1312.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Nice pics Patrick,

I especially like the Steam - 


Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " Traders, Moneylenders and Pimps 
  (_o_)                   are playing their trade in the temple."


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 17 09:07:49 2007
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:07:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417100221.04e5b168@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <916360.80496.qm@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hello Dave,
How ironic to receive this from an old bastard who receives a check from
the government every month simply because he continues to breathe!
Joe

--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>          We have people here in the USA who argue as you do on this
> issue. 
> In general they are lilly livered cowards who take no responsibility for
> 
> their own lives and safety, but rather expect government to take care of
> 
> them from the cradle to the grave. We call them DEMOCRATS!
>          Dave
> 


Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr 17 10:25:55 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:25:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <916360.80496.qm@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417100221.04e5b168@mail.alltel.net>
	<916360.80496.qm@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417122023.04e1f480@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Joe,
         I will have to live for about another 25 years before the 
GOVERNMENT gives me all the money I put into the SS program over the years 
that I worked. Had I been allowed to keep the money and invest it myself I 
would have enough money to buy MANY MANY more engines. However, the PINKO 
DEMOCRATS are afraid to let citizens take care of themselves! Such is life 
in the USA!
         Dave

At 11:07 AM 4/17/2007, you wrote:

>Hello Dave,
>How ironic to receive this from an old bastard who receives a check from
>the government every month simply because he continues to breathe!
>Joe
>
>--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter,
> >          We have people here in the USA who argue as you do on this
> > issue.
> > In general they are lilly livered cowards who take no responsibility for
> >
> > their own lives and safety, but rather expect government to take care of
> >
> > them from the cradle to the grave. We call them DEMOCRATS!
> >          Dave
> >
>
>
>Joe Prindle
>Baraboo, WI USA
>"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
>Milligan
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Apr 17 14:08:57 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:08:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
Message-ID: <d26.6f5c461.33569169@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/17/2007 9:23:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

I do believe someone should be required to pass a background check before 
(legally) buying a handgun as is the case in most states.  Also, if you want to le
gally carry concealed, you have to go through a course in shooting safety and 
prove that you can hit the side of a barn before you can get a permit.

 
I live in Virginia about 2 hours for the shooting.  Yes, Virginia is lax with 
gun laws compared to New York or Washington, DC. To clarify some statements 
by others: Virginia Tech college does not allow guns on the campus period! You 
cannot buy any handgun in Virginia, no matter what caliber, at show or 
business without a background check thru the police, which are set up at the gun 
shows.  Businesses must call in before selling.  To carry a concealed weapon, you 
must first pass a gun safety/handling/shooting course, then submit form to the 
County Circuit Clerks office to approve,  County police chief to approve, and 
the county district attorneys office to approve.  All of these offices do a 
background check on you before approving.  It used to be that you had to appear 
before judge and justify why you wanted the concealed weapon.  That was 
dropped a few years ago.  
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr 17 15:31:06 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:31:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <d26.6f5c461.33569169@aol.com>
References: <d26.6f5c461.33569169@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417172445.0570dc60@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Tom,
         How dare you contradict a list member from OZ who has "heard" that 
someone in VA can but an assault rifle at a gun show with no questions 
asked? Don't you realize that people from other countries know more about 
our laws and constitution that ANYONE living in the USA does? All I can say 
is that you have one hell of a lot of nerve!
         Dave
PS, God save us from "little old ladies"--especially those from other 
countries!


>I live in Virginia about 2 hours for the shooting.  Yes, Virginia is lax with
>gun laws compared to New York or Washington, DC. To clarify some statements
>by others: Virginia Tech college does not allow guns on the campus period! 
>You
>cannot buy any handgun in Virginia, no matter what caliber, at show or
>business without a background check thru the police, which are set up at 
>the gun
>shows.  Businesses must call in before selling.  To carry a concealed 
>weapon, you
>must first pass a gun safety/handling/shooting course, then submit form to 
>the
>County Circuit Clerks office to approve,  County police chief to approve, and
>the county district attorneys office to approve.  All of these offices do a
>background check on you before approving.  It used to be that you had to 
>appear
>before judge and justify why you wanted the concealed weapon.  That was
>dropped a few years ago.
>Tom Schmutz



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Apr 17 15:23:19 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:23:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net><010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518><001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070417100221.04e5b168@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000801c7813f$03f02120$7a526c3a@Edd>

So Dave you are calling better than 50 percent of your population lily 
livered cowards and so non of your military and soldiers who have given 
there lives in Iraq and other places are Democrats.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> Hi Peter,
>         We have people here in the USA who argue as you do on this issue.
> In general they are lilly livered cowards who take no responsibility for
> their own lives and safety, but rather expect government to take care of
> them from the cradle to the grave. We call them DEMOCRATS!
>         Dave
>
> At 02:07 AM 4/17/2007, you wrote:
>>So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and
>>then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to
>>reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable 
>>but
>>a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be
>>mayhem!
>>I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and
>>saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in
>>Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
>>Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and
>>you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be
>>reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
>>A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million 
>>hand
>>guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from 
>>,maybe
>>they are correct ,maybe not.
>>I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem 
>>in
>>the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National
>>Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying
>>power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
>>Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun
>>control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this
>>morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Apr 17 15:05:54 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:05:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish>  test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1176825602.21959.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070417211601.04987ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>Hi Guys,
         This is totally off topic but the list has been terribly quiet 
just lately - good to see some activity even if it is not engine related - 
at least we have a lot of members communicating. I was beginning to think 
that the list was going through it's "death throes" - good to see there are 
still people reading it (and responding). (Hey - we did not have too much 
"cabin fever" coming over he list this year - what happened - did you 
northern hemisphere guys have a mild winter?").

         My "tuppence ha'pennies" (I'm not sure what that is in US$) worth 
follows. I'm going to try my best not to be "racist" and apologise up front 
to any members who may think differently about my views. My only defence is 
"Do not criticize if you have not been there!".

         I'm not responding to any one particular "post" here. There have 
been so many posts on this subject (and most of you did not "snip" your 
replies so I just skimmed through them).

         I live in South Africa and as most of you know we have a pretty 
bad history, what with Apartheid and the like. We are now a "democratic" 
(note the quotes) country ruled by the vote of the mostly tribal majority.

         If any of you know the history of South Africa you will know that 
the greatest "General" that the indigenous people had was "Chaka" (a.k.a. 
"Shaka" or "Shaka Zulu"). He ruled with an iron fist and his word was law. 
Anyone who disagreed with him in any way was quickly despatched to join his 
forefathers with an "assegai" (short stabbing spear) applied through the 
rib cage directly to the heart or thereabouts. There were no "trials", 
"magistrates", "hearings", "court cases" or "lawbooks". Violence ruled and 
no one dared to question the leaders authority.
         Not much has changed - our elections (although usually reported by 
the press as being "free and fair") are usually preceded by much violence 
and intimidation in the "townships"
("townships" are best explained as the areas occupied by the previously 
disadvantaged citizens of this country). The majority of people are not 
given the chance to decide for themselves who to vote for. They live in 
constant fear of being killed if they do not vote for the correct party (as 
in disagreeing with Chaka - assegai to the heart or similar - assegai's 
have now been replaced with AK-47's or Makarov pistols - strange that both 
these weapons originate from the former Soviet Bloc). They do not realise 
that the "ballot form" they make their mark on cannot be traced to an 
individual - at least that part of the voting process is still sacred.

         Our elections are also usually preceded by an increase in the 
number of "armed hijackings", "armed heists" and "armed bank robberies" 
usually employing (again) AK-47's and Makarov pistols which are never 
solved or brought to court. The question has to be asked "Where is the 
money for the election advertising coming from?"

         O.K. I'll try to get back on track now. AK-47's and Makarov 
pistols were never legally imported into this country. Our previous 
government were very "anti-communist" and did not do business with the 
Soviet Bloc. Also, our previous laws (and they still hold good today) did 
not allow the private ownership of automatic or semi-automatic weapons. It 
then goes without saying that these weapons are "illegal". Does that bother 
the criminals ?

         Gun control is now being exerted upon us normal citizens who would 
just like to have a gun (either a rifle or a hand gun for self protection 
or even for hunting) but this right is being taken away from us. Our 
government loves to hide behind the excuse that they are just following 
world trends (and the USA features greatly in this one).

         Licensed weapons are NOT used to commit crime - it is the 
unlicensed weapons used by criminals that are used. If anyone thinks that 
Gun Control Laws will put an end to this then they need their "heads to be 
read" - (sorry - that's a South African saying - it means that "you are 
stupid, naive or sick" - just in case you did not understand).

         Our Police force members are even scared to use their guns these 
days as, if they happen to kill a criminal who is pointing a gun at them 
they could be charged with murder and will really battle to prove their 
innocence. The law protects the criminal.

         I was attacked in my home at 7:45 am one morning and myself and my 
son (19 at the time) were stabbed by a criminal wielding a dagger and a 
"panga" ("machete", "bushknife"). I was stabbed in the arms, chest and head 
and my son was chopped on the wrist (put his arm up to defend himself) with 
the panga and also stabbed with the dagger in various places including the 
face and arms. We were lucky - I grabbed the perp., actually the blades of 
his knives, as they were the best points of leverage, and ended up in a 
wrestling match with him, he was much younger and stronger than me and I 
would have lost the battle had my son not had the presence of mind to rush 
off to his room and get his revolver. He shot the criminal dead - had this 
not happened I would not have been a member of this list today. We were 
very lucky (that happened in December 1996) because: 1) the new laws were 
only being promulgated then and, 2) the criminal was only armed with knives 
- today they carry "unlicensed guns" and do not hesitate to use them!

         Some of you may use the old story that he was only armed with 
knives and we brought a gun into the equation - but the gun saved my life 
and probably my son's a well. I've never used a gun to commit a crime - I 
consider myself to be a responsible gun owner but do feel that I need one 
for my own protection - especially in this country where our violent crime 
statistics rate the highest in the world and legally licensed guns never 
feature in violent crime. Yet our government is trying to take our legal 
weapons away from us - is this to give the criminals a better chance to get 
rid of us ?

         If the above  had happened today, I might have been sitting in 
jail for murdering a poor petty criminal whose only intention was to break 
into my house, relieve me of all my valuable possessions (which I had spent 
half a lifetime working for) and kill me in the process if necessary.

         You guys overseas probably never see news articles on crime in 
this country - why - because our government does their level best to hide 
them. Our police force used to have an excellent record for solving crimes 
- the present police force (and I apologise to the few dedicated police 
officers who are really trying to make a difference) just does not seem to 
care about solving crime - they are more interested in "going on strike" 
for better working conditions, housing and higher wages etc. (I do agree 
that they are "under funded" but that all comes back to our governments 
attitude that "crime is not a problem").

         We had a case in December where a world renowned Historian in Kwa 
Zulu Natal was murdered by "petty" robbers in his home - that case was 
solved and the criminals prosecuted and sentenced within a month - Why - 
because he was "world renowned" - a friend of Prince Charles and many other 
world figures. The government needed to be seen as "law abiding" in the 
eyes of the world and got off their backsides and made things happen.

         An acquaintance of mine (not world renowned - lived next door to 
my girlfriend) was murdered by robbers in his home in January (about 10 
miles from me) - he arrived home from work one afternoon and as he opened 
his door his head was smashed in with a hammer by the criminals waiting 
inside his house - he was never given a chance to hand over his money or 
anything else - he was just murdered for the joy of it - this crime will 
probably never be solved - Why - because the rest of the world will 
probably never hear about it !! He was a lay preacher and had a chapel 
built on his property and was  considered by all who knew him as a 
humanitarian , always ready to help anyone in distress irrespective of 
their skin colour. He was also a slightly built person - not he kind of 
person able to "put up a fight". The criminals are cowards and usually go 
for soft targets like him or old retired couples. (His neice died of a 
heart attack when given the news of his murder)

         (If you do not believe me do a "google" for "farm murders" "south 
africa" - you may be shocked)

Why does all this happen - Because all the "do gooders" in the western 
world think that we are dealing with people just like them - people with 
the same values as them but just have a different skin colour - people who 
are sane and able to make up their own minds - has'nt the story of Africa 
over the last 40 years opened their eyes?

         I could go on for hours more but this is an "engine list" and I 
apologise once again for putting you guys through this.

         To all those countries facing "gun control" laws brought on by "do 
gooders" who have no clue as to what this modern world is all about I would 
just ask you to fight against those laws - they will only leave you and 
your families defenceless against the bad guys. Why the hell can 
governments not realise that criminals do not obey laws anyway. Much better 
if they allow a "shoot to kill" law against criminals. It would save the 
taxpayer millions in court fees - luxury accommodation (todays jails) and 
make life so much better for all us citizens who put the damn government 
there in the first place.

         Once again I am going to apologise to any list members who find 
this post to be offensive - I will not reply to any posts that try to 
condemn it. If you want to reply to me then spare the list and write 
directly to me "off list" I promise to reply to all those who do so but 
will not get involved in any political  discussions with people who have no 
experience with our situation. I do not like politics.

         As I said before "Do not criticize if you have not been there!". 
I've been there - done that and bought the "T" shirt - and I am living the 
experience.

         O.K. anyone got any engine related stuff to talk about - Patrick 
Livingstone in Aus - thanks for the good pics (as always).

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Apr 17 16:52:37 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:52:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
Message-ID: <cfc.d76d0ef.3356b7c5@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/17/2007 5:33:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

How dare you contradict a list member
 
Dave,
 
Please accept my most humble apologizes!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Apr 17 16:28:48 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:28:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish>  test...now 33...OT
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070417211601.04987ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <025a01c7814c$97513e10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Well said Jerry.
I have a brother living there and I have seen it when I visited.
 Like,Supermarkets have ARMED guards while open!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Apr 17 17:39:00 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:39:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <d26.6f5c461.33569169@aol.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070417172445.0570dc60@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001301c78151$f6337510$6500a8c0@home>


 My two cents;

        Wow we have lots of opinions out there and that's good , That means 
were free and live in a free country and are free to express our opinions , 
I was born and raised with guns at my side I was taught to shoot and shoot 
straight at 4 years old, I have owned guns all my life , I hunt , fish and 
even trapped animals , I have even used a gun to protect me and my family 
from a would be robber or whatever he wanted (tried to break in my house and 
wouldn't stop till he heard me kick a round in the 12 gauge pump)  I served 
in the US ARMY(62-65) and carried a rifle and pistol at 17 years old, at my 
discharge date I got orders to serve in Viet Nam and a year extension but 
things cooled down and my orders canceled and I got discharged  ,  I will 
say this ,I have the utmost respect for any one served in any war and my 
hats off  to all our soldiers , No one will take my guns away without me 
getting very very angry ,  A gun will not discharge unless the trigger is 
pulled and to pull the trigger repeatedly killing innocent people takes a 
very very deranged person and he probably would have found another way if he 
had no guns,

> Sorry but thats my stand ,
    Rex Hinz
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> 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Apr 17 18:32:39 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:32:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Patrick Livingstone?mystery Engine
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070418030718.04985d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi List and Patrick,
         Thanks for the great pics of the Wagga show.
         Some time back I looked at your pics of "mystery engines' 
(actually a long time ago - but I've been busy and not had a lot of time to 
write to the list).
         There is an engine listed under your "mystery engines" page which 
looks very much like a "Gilson Model (or Type) "B".  From the pics I could 
not identify it positively but one of the list members has a history of 
Gilson on their page - can anyone supply a link - I've lost it.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Tue Apr 17 18:42:19 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:42:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <d26.6f5c461.33569169@aol.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070417172445.0570dc60@mail.alltel.net>
	<001301c78151$f6337510$6500a8c0@home>
Message-ID: <009201c7815a$ce7a9bd0$efd04c0c@D48VHZ61>

It has been done another way Rex. I beleive it was last year someone took 
their car and intentionally drove it into a large crowd at UNC Chapel Hill.

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


>
> My two cents;
> he probably would have found another way if he
> had no guns,
>
>> Sorry but thats my stand ,
>    Rex Hinz
>> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 17 18:58:14 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:58:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally
References: <20070417075852.ZQRE28205.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <006901c7815d$076c7b00$240110ac@FAMILY>

Great pictures Patrick, thanks for posting them for us to see.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:59 AM
Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally


> Last weekend was spent down in Wagga at their rally. As always a great
> weekend with a friendly club. Engine numbers were a little down but it was
> still a good display and a good weekend was had by all. Pictures at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/wag071.html
>
> 




From dbm4gk at chartermi.net  Tue Apr 17 19:26:30 2007
From: dbm4gk at chartermi.net (dbm4gk)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:26:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] --now 33
Message-ID: <000901c78160$f9df1a20$6401a8c0@bart>

Hello List,



The killing in Virginia may be the highest number of students killed with a 
gun, but events like this are not new. We now hear about them much quicker 
and they are analyzed by the press till something else comes along.   In 
1927 in the town of Bath, Michigan a farmer upset with a new property tax 
that was to be used to build a new school set off a dynamite charge that 
killed 43 people.  Thirty-nine of them were grade school children.  See this 
link http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bauerle/bathlink.htm .  He 
missed the school superintendent with the first one so he went back the next 
day and blew up his car killing the super and himself.  My point is that the 
deranged will use whatever is available to achieve their warped goal.  Life 
is often messy and there are no guarantees on how long it will last.

Dave




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 17 20:05:44 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:05:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Skip Landis
Message-ID: <008a01c78166$756e2af0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Can someone send me Skip Landis' e-mail address or phone number?

Thanks,

Paul



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr 17 21:41:01 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:41:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070417211601.04987ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <mailman.1.1176825602.21959.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070417211601.04987ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417234008.0521dd58@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Jerry, Thanks for your comments!
         Dave

At 05:05 PM 4/17/2007, you wrote:

> >Hi Guys,
>          This is totally off topic but the list has been terribly quiet
>just lately - good to see some activity even if it is not engine related -
>at least we have a lot of members communicating. I was beginning to think
>that the list was going through it's "death throes" - good to see there are
>still people reading it (and responding). (Hey - we did not have too much
>"cabin fever" coming over he list this year - what happened - did you
>northern hemisphere guys have a mild winter?").
>
>          My "tuppence ha'pennies" (I'm not sure what that is in US$) worth
>follows. I'm going to try my best not to be "racist" and apologise up front
>to any members who may think differently about my views. My only defence is
>"Do not criticize if you have not been there!".
>
>          I'm not responding to any one particular "post" here. There have
>been so many posts on this subject (and most of you did not "snip" your
>replies so I just skimmed through them).
>
>          I live in South Africa and as most of you know we have a pretty
>bad history, what with Apartheid and the like. We are now a "democratic"
>(note the quotes) country ruled by the vote of the mostly tribal majority.
>
>          If any of you know the history of South Africa you will know that
>the greatest "General" that the indigenous people had was "Chaka" (a.k.a.
>"Shaka" or "Shaka Zulu"). He ruled with an iron fist and his word was law.
>Anyone who disagreed with him in any way was quickly despatched to join his
>forefathers with an "assegai" (short stabbing spear) applied through the
>rib cage directly to the heart or thereabouts. There were no "trials",
>"magistrates", "hearings", "court cases" or "lawbooks". Violence ruled and
>no one dared to question the leaders authority.
>          Not much has changed - our elections (although usually reported by
>the press as being "free and fair") are usually preceded by much violence
>and intimidation in the "townships"
>("townships" are best explained as the areas occupied by the previously
>disadvantaged citizens of this country). The majority of people are not
>given the chance to decide for themselves who to vote for. They live in
>constant fear of being killed if they do not vote for the correct party (as
>in disagreeing with Chaka - assegai to the heart or similar - assegai's
>have now been replaced with AK-47's or Makarov pistols - strange that both
>these weapons originate from the former Soviet Bloc). They do not realise
>that the "ballot form" they make their mark on cannot be traced to an
>individual - at least that part of the voting process is still sacred.
>
>          Our elections are also usually preceded by an increase in the
>number of "armed hijackings", "armed heists" and "armed bank robberies"
>usually employing (again) AK-47's and Makarov pistols which are never
>solved or brought to court. The question has to be asked "Where is the
>money for the election advertising coming from?"
>
>          O.K. I'll try to get back on track now. AK-47's and Makarov
>pistols were never legally imported into this country. Our previous
>government were very "anti-communist" and did not do business with the
>Soviet Bloc. Also, our previous laws (and they still hold good today) did
>not allow the private ownership of automatic or semi-automatic weapons. It
>then goes without saying that these weapons are "illegal". Does that bother
>the criminals ?
>
>          Gun control is now being exerted upon us normal citizens who would
>just like to have a gun (either a rifle or a hand gun for self protection
>or even for hunting) but this right is being taken away from us. Our
>government loves to hide behind the excuse that they are just following
>world trends (and the USA features greatly in this one).
>
>          Licensed weapons are NOT used to commit crime - it is the
>unlicensed weapons used by criminals that are used. If anyone thinks that
>Gun Control Laws will put an end to this then they need their "heads to be
>read" - (sorry - that's a South African saying - it means that "you are
>stupid, naive or sick" - just in case you did not understand).
>
>          Our Police force members are even scared to use their guns these
>days as, if they happen to kill a criminal who is pointing a gun at them
>they could be charged with murder and will really battle to prove their
>innocence. The law protects the criminal.
>
>          I was attacked in my home at 7:45 am one morning and myself and my
>son (19 at the time) were stabbed by a criminal wielding a dagger and a
>"panga" ("machete", "bushknife"). I was stabbed in the arms, chest and head
>and my son was chopped on the wrist (put his arm up to defend himself) with
>the panga and also stabbed with the dagger in various places including the
>face and arms. We were lucky - I grabbed the perp., actually the blades of
>his knives, as they were the best points of leverage, and ended up in a
>wrestling match with him, he was much younger and stronger than me and I
>would have lost the battle had my son not had the presence of mind to rush
>off to his room and get his revolver. He shot the criminal dead - had this
>not happened I would not have been a member of this list today. We were
>very lucky (that happened in December 1996) because: 1) the new laws were
>only being promulgated then and, 2) the criminal was only armed with knives
>- today they carry "unlicensed guns" and do not hesitate to use them!
>
>          Some of you may use the old story that he was only armed with
>knives and we brought a gun into the equation - but the gun saved my life
>and probably my son's a well. I've never used a gun to commit a crime - I
>consider myself to be a responsible gun owner but do feel that I need one
>for my own protection - especially in this country where our violent crime
>statistics rate the highest in the world and legally licensed guns never
>feature in violent crime. Yet our government is trying to take our legal
>weapons away from us - is this to give the criminals a better chance to get
>rid of us ?
>
>          If the above  had happened today, I might have been sitting in
>jail for murdering a poor petty criminal whose only intention was to break
>into my house, relieve me of all my valuable possessions (which I had spent
>half a lifetime working for) and kill me in the process if necessary.
>
>          You guys overseas probably never see news articles on crime in
>this country - why - because our government does their level best to hide
>them. Our police force used to have an excellent record for solving crimes
>- the present police force (and I apologise to the few dedicated police
>officers who are really trying to make a difference) just does not seem to
>care about solving crime - they are more interested in "going on strike"
>for better working conditions, housing and higher wages etc. (I do agree
>that they are "under funded" but that all comes back to our governments
>attitude that "crime is not a problem").
>
>          We had a case in December where a world renowned Historian in Kwa
>Zulu Natal was murdered by "petty" robbers in his home - that case was
>solved and the criminals prosecuted and sentenced within a month - Why -
>because he was "world renowned" - a friend of Prince Charles and many other
>world figures. The government needed to be seen as "law abiding" in the
>eyes of the world and got off their backsides and made things happen.
>
>          An acquaintance of mine (not world renowned - lived next door to
>my girlfriend) was murdered by robbers in his home in January (about 10
>miles from me) - he arrived home from work one afternoon and as he opened
>his door his head was smashed in with a hammer by the criminals waiting
>inside his house - he was never given a chance to hand over his money or
>anything else - he was just murdered for the joy of it - this crime will
>probably never be solved - Why - because the rest of the world will
>probably never hear about it !! He was a lay preacher and had a chapel
>built on his property and was  considered by all who knew him as a
>humanitarian , always ready to help anyone in distress irrespective of
>their skin colour. He was also a slightly built person - not he kind of
>person able to "put up a fight". The criminals are cowards and usually go
>for soft targets like him or old retired couples. (His neice died of a
>heart attack when given the news of his murder)
>
>          (If you do not believe me do a "google" for "farm murders" "south
>africa" - you may be shocked)
>
>Why does all this happen - Because all the "do gooders" in the western
>world think that we are dealing with people just like them - people with
>the same values as them but just have a different skin colour - people who
>are sane and able to make up their own minds - has'nt the story of Africa
>over the last 40 years opened their eyes?
>
>          I could go on for hours more but this is an "engine list" and I
>apologise once again for putting you guys through this.
>
>          To all those countries facing "gun control" laws brought on by "do
>gooders" who have no clue as to what this modern world is all about I would
>just ask you to fight against those laws - they will only leave you and
>your families defenceless against the bad guys. Why the hell can
>governments not realise that criminals do not obey laws anyway. Much better
>if they allow a "shoot to kill" law against criminals. It would save the
>taxpayer millions in court fees - luxury accommodation (todays jails) and
>make life so much better for all us citizens who put the damn government
>there in the first place.
>
>          Once again I am going to apologise to any list members who find
>this post to be offensive - I will not reply to any posts that try to
>condemn it. If you want to reply to me then spare the list and write
>directly to me "off list" I promise to reply to all those who do so but
>will not get involved in any political  discussions with people who have no
>experience with our situation. I do not like politics.
>
>          As I said before "Do not criticize if you have not been there!".
>I've been there - done that and bought the "T" shirt - and I am living the
>experience.
>
>          O.K. anyone got any engine related stuff to talk about - Patrick
>Livingstone in Aus - thanks for the good pics (as always).
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Tel. (016) 365-5787
>Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
>Cell: 083 293 7191
>Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
>www.oldengine.org/members/evans
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr 17 21:52:48 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:52:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <000801c7813f$03f02120$7a526c3a@Edd>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070417100221.04e5b168@mail.alltel.net>
	<000801c7813f$03f02120$7a526c3a@Edd>
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Hi EDD,
         Sorry, but I can not make much sense out of your comments. Could 
you try again, but this time before you have consumed so much alcohol?
         Dave

At 05:23 PM 4/17/2007, you wrote:
>So Dave you are calling better than 50 percent of your population lily
>livered cowards and so non of your military and soldiers who have given
>there lives in Iraq and other places are Democrats.
>EDD PAYNE
>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
>Australia
>2852
>Phone:0263742387
>edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>edsengns
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:06 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>
>
> > Hi Peter,
> >         We have people here in the USA who argue as you do on this issue.
> > In general they are lilly livered cowards who take no responsibility for
> > their own lives and safety, but rather expect government to take care of
> > them from the cradle to the grave. We call them DEMOCRATS!
> >         Dave



From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Apr 17 20:55:42 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:55:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <462596BE.1020007@telenet.net>



peter ogborne wrote:
> So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and 
> then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to 
> reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable but 
> a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be 
> mayhem!
> I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and 
> saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in 
> Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
> Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and 
> you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be 
> reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
> A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million hand 
> guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from ,maybe 
> they are correct ,maybe not.
> I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem in 
> the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National 
> Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying 
> power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
> Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun 
> control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this 
> morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''
> 

NONE of the states that have gun control have shown ANY decrease in gun 
crime NONE.
Washington DC. For instance has the strictest gun controls of ANY area 
in the US, They also have the second highest gun crime rate in the WORLD.
California comes in second in gun control laws, They also come in 5th in 
the world in gun crime per capita.

Now if you look at the states that have removed the bans and 
restrictions, guess what you find? A REDUCTION IN ALL CRIMES. Why? 
Simple, an armed target is no fun to attack.
Florida just did the same thing and with only one year of liberty crime 
has gone DOWN.

You might want to read the TRUTH about what the NRA does and why. Not 
listen to the total BULL that the idiot media fluffs claim is the truth.


From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Apr 17 21:12:41 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:12:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Virginia Uni Killings
In-Reply-To: <000d01c780db$3a565cc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000d01c780db$3a565cc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
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peter ogborne wrote:
> Chuck and Reg .My opinions are as a complete out sider . I am trying not  to 
> be critical of the Laws that you have in the US . I can only repeat what I 
> hear and that is Virginia has very lax laws. It seems , so i hear that a 
> person can go to a gun show and buy  an assault rifle with out any 
> conditions. 

BULL. What you have heard is WRONG.

It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for 
civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. 
Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time 
their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, 
and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, 
and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and 
Firearms (BATF) in its National Firearms Registry.

To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is 
conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward 
violence, and an application must be submitted to the BATF including two 
sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of 
the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and 
possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with 
public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a 
chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's 
residence.

Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of 
newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. 
Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are 
regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after 
the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.

Twenty-five states have no further restrictions on civilian ownership of 
machine guns (some require registration with the state) than what is 
required by federal law. Other states have either placed further 
restrictions or outlawed operable machine guns to civilians entirely. 
For further details see NRA state firearm law summaries.
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/FederalGunLaws.aspx?ID=60

The steps to take to purchase a LEGAL transferable machine gun are:

   Find a dealer locally who can assist you in all phases of the 
transfer. This should go beyond helping you fill out the paperwork: 
they should help you locate the gun if it isn't in stock and allow you 
to shoot the gun while your paperwork is being processed by the BATF 
(Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms). It will usually take 4-6 
weeks for the dealer to get the gun from another dealer if they don't 
already have it in stock (due to BATF paperwork delays).

   Get your fingerprints (either by a police dept. or by a qualified 
finger printer, two imprints are needed) and two passport sized pictures 
taken. These will be used to perform a comprehensive criminal background 
check on you.

    Have your local dealer help you fill out an "Application for Tax 
Paid Transfer And Registration Of Firearm" for, known as a "form 4".

    You must have the signature of the Chief Law Enforcement (CLEO) 
officer that has jurisdiction over the municipality in which you live on 
the form 4. This could be the City Chief or the County Sheriff, for 
example. This is usually not a problem -- in machine gun friendly states.

   The form 4, CLEO signature, 2 fingerprint cards, 2 pictures, and a 
$200 check (your one-time transfer tax) must all be mailed to the BATF 
and an approved tax stamp returned before you may take possession of the 
gun.  This may take anywhere from 2 to 5 months.

In 1995 there were over 240,000 machine guns registered with the BATF. 
(Zawitz, Marianne,Bureau of Justice Statistics, Guns Used in Crime 
[PDF].) About half are owned by civilians and the other half by police 
departments and other governmental agencies (Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: 
Firearms and Their Control, Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997.)

Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed 
with LEGALLY owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a 
law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 
1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman 
Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber 
submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. 
Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were 
sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine 
guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.

In 1980, when Miami's homicide rate was at an all-time high, less than 
1% of all homicides involved machine guns. (Miami was supposedly a 
"machine gun Mecca" and drug trafficking capital of the U.S.) Although 
there are no national figures to compare to, machine gun deaths were 
probably lower elsewhere. Kleck cites several examples:

     * Of 2,200 guns recovered by Minneapolis police (1987-1989), not 
one was fully automatic.

     * A total of 420 weapons, including 375 guns, were seized during 
drug warrant executions and arrests by the Metropolitan Area Narcotics 
Squad (Will and Grundie counties in the Chicago metropolitan area, 
1980-1989). None of the guns was a machine gun.

     * 16 of 2,359 (0.7%) of the guns seized in the Detroit area 
(1991-1992) in connection with "the investigation of narcotics 
trafficking operations" were machine guns.

Want me to cite some more facts or will you admit your wrong?


If this is so then it is no wonder that there are crazys out
> there trying to emulate what they might see on TV . If this is what the law 
> allows then so be it and good luck to you in the US.
> To Reg ....if you want to go down the road that the US has followed what can 
> i say except that i hope not to be around.
> Chuck ,as for defending myself ,my wife ,my property yes up there with the 
> best of them ,I am not a shrinking violet.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au 
> 
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> 

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York

Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
he'd have become a vegan.


From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr 17 22:22:21 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:22:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <462596BE.1020007@telenet.net>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<462596BE.1020007@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418001544.04e12160@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Steve,
         Where the hell do you get off telling Peter to fine out what the 
NRA stands for before makes statements about gun control? Those who are for 
gun control need no facts to back up their position! Get off your high 
horse and admit that the TRUTH has no place in the (little) minds of those 
who would take your guns away!
         Dave
PS, Gun control means using both hands!


>You might want to read the TRUTH about what the NRA does and why. Not
>listen to the total BULL that the idiot media fluffs claim is the truth.



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Apr 18 02:41:10 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:41:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Skip Landis
References: <008a01c78166$756e2af0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV99B2CDCBAC1FB6101A28ABB500@phx.gbl>

Check under sponsor on Harry's, Paul.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Skip Landis


> Can someone send me Skip Landis' e-mail address or phone number?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Apr 18 04:31:47 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:31:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] something here for you old blokes
In-Reply-To: <46029BCA.5000500@imc-group.com>
References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203>
	<7.0.1.0.0.20070320214900.01e45868@ncable.com.au>
	<000701c76c5b$a87656e0$0301a8c0@Young1203>
	<46029BCA.5000500@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070418213047.01b560d0@ncable.com.au>


>you never know when some tools can come in handy!

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Vintage-Castrating-Tool_W0QQitemZ250104008029QQihZ015QQcategoryZ105812QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Russell

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Apr 18 04:50:47 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:50:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] something here for you old blokes
References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203><7.0.1.0.0.20070320214900.01e45868@ncable.com.au><000701c76c5b$a87656e0$0301a8c0@Young1203><46029BCA.5000500@imc-group.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070418213047.01b560d0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV23BCD2B5615B2B615841EBB500@phx.gbl>

Oysters are well over 10 bucks a pound in "The Big Sky."

Hmmmm

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:31 AM
Subject: [SEL] something here for you old blokes


>
> >you never know when some tools can come in handy!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Vintage-Castrating-Tool_W0QQitemZ250104008029QQihZ015QQcategoryZ105812QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> Russell
>
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> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Apr 18 06:11:48 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:11:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  test...now 33...OT
Message-ID: <20070418131512.77D1F58705@gw1.nlenet.net>

Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine 
High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the 
hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the 
seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy 
Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven 
children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother 
Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither 
was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was 
Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how 
quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am 
not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. 
I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't 
believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore 
I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they 
had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- 
it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where 
the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much 
of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers 
themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my 
feelings best. This was written way before I knew I would be speaking 
here today:

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!


"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, 
and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our 
make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to 
rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our 
educational
systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges 
began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has 
happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so 
doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something 
as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately 
look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass 
more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and 
private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and 
Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of 
gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of 
massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.
"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw 
his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to 
pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! 
I challenge every young person in America, and around the world, to 
realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was 
brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by 
those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with 
a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right 
to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger 
at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your
own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this 
country will not allow that to happen!"



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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Apr 18 06:28:11 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:28:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  test...now 33...OT
Message-ID: <20070418132841.2DB325870E@gw1.nlenet.net>


peter ogborne wrote:

 > Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun
 > control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this
 > morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''

Good question.  Please see my post a few min. ago for a answer from a 
parent of a victim of another school murder
Frank

   +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES

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    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
    LBP  INC.                   |  Fax     585 624 1038
    2365 Cox Rd.              |     N 42.9130  W 
77.5164|
    Bloomfield NY 14469   |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/

   

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr 18 06:37:38 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:37:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
Message-ID: <006d01c781be$bb298be0$0601a8c0@altech>

 Hi All

 Earlier this year there was a Gardner engine on ebay for sale in Oz, does
 anyone have any idea who was the seller, or their Ebay ID so I can contact
 them please.
 It did not sell as far as I can remember.
 The Gardner is a nice engine and there is a nice display at the Anson 
Museum
 in the UK when I visited last December meeting Geoff Challinor & Dave 
Croft.
 http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=11
 I would like to track down the one in Oz.

 Regards
 Peter, Oz



From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Apr 18 07:51:42 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:51:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418001544.04e12160@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEPCFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Hear, hear!

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave
> Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:22 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
> 
> 
> Hi Steve,
>          Where the hell do you get off telling 
> Peter to fine out what the 
> NRA stands for before makes statements about gun 
> control? Those who are for 
> gun control need no facts to back up their 
> position! Get off your high 
> horse and admit that the TRUTH has no place in 
> the (little) minds of those 
> who would take your guns away!
>          Dave
> PS, Gun control means using both hands!
> 
> 
> >You might want to read the TRUTH about what the 
> NRA does and why. Not
> >listen to the total BULL that the idiot media 
> fluffs claim is the truth.




From skipl130 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 18 07:19:02 2007
From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:19:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Skip Landis
In-Reply-To: <008a01c78166$756e2af0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <335549.74443.qm@web35302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

skipl130 at yahoo.com     406 857 2321 

Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:  Can someone send me Skip Landis' e-mail address or phone number?

Thanks,

Paul

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From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Apr 18 07:42:54 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:42:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
In-Reply-To: <006d01c781be$bb298be0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <006d01c781be$bb298be0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070418104153.02ee0710@pop3.wcoil.com>

I take it then you don't mean the one thats currently on there thats not 
sold yet ? Item number: 140108106843
[]




At 09:37 AM 4/18/07, you wrote:
>  Hi All
>
>  Earlier this year there was a Gardner engine on ebay for sale in Oz, does
>  anyone have any idea who was the seller, or their Ebay ID so I can contact
>  them please.
>  It did not sell as far as I can remember.
>  The Gardner is a nice engine and there is a nice display at the Anson
>Museum
>  in the UK when I visited last December meeting Geoff Challinor & Dave
>Croft.
>  http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=11
>  I would like to track down the one in Oz.
>
>  Regards
>  Peter, Oz
>
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From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 18 07:45:38 2007
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:45:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Ethyl alcohol BP
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <889503.18391.qm@web59207.mail.re1.yahoo.com>



Does anyone have at hand a reference book in which the boiling point of ethyl alcohol is given?  ( Either C of F OK.  I kant spel the F word without my dick shun airy. )  Thanks, Bill..
  CtwoHsixO  ( Also, can't write numeric subscripts.)



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Wed Apr 18 07:50:15 2007
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:50:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] UK Question
Message-ID: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Can somebody please tell me an American translation for silver steel and 
gunmetal?

Jim

Jim and Diane
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net 



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 18 08:36:56 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:36:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Another one followed me home today
Message-ID: <395789.8778.qm@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Morning folks,
  Another engine came home with me today. It's a Delco engine generator. Don't know too much about it yet. other than it's a single cylinder vertical 4 cycle with a big cast flywheel with cooling fins cast into it. The only tag I find on it so far says Delco Light and a series of stamped numbers on it. Probably a serial number. It
   appears to be missing a cover around the cylinder cooling fins and possible a top of some sort. There are wires hanging out of it all over the generator. Wonder if they should be attached to a control panel. Design voltage?? That's a good question.
  Any ideas??
  Ron


  Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex 
    http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
  " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
   


       
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Apr 18 08:47:14 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:47:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Another one followed me home today
Message-ID: <20070418154907.E31E858025@gw1.nlenet.net>


Morning folks,
   Another engine came home with me today. It's a Delco engine 
generator. Don't know too much about it yet. other than it's a single 
cylinder vertical 4 cycle with a big cast flywheel with cooling fins 
cast into it. The only tag I find on it so far says Delco Light and a 
series of stamped numbers on it. Probably a serial number. It
    appears to be missing a cover around the cylinder cooling fins 
and possible a top of some sort. There are wires hanging out of it 
all over the generator. Wonder if they should be attached to a 
control panel. Design voltage?? That's a good question.
   Any ideas??
   Ron
   Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
------------------------------------------
You can start with my site.  I haven't updated it in a long time but 
it should allow you to get the make and model.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/d-id.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/
   Then go over to <http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6>
and lots of people will help

Frank

From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Apr 18 08:49:56 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:49:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ethyl alcohol BP
Message-ID: <20070418.084956.1868.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Boiling Point: 351.6 K (78.4 ?
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:45:38 -0700 (PDT) William Young
<wmlyoung at yahoo.com> writes:
> 
> 
> Does anyone have at hand a reference book in which the boiling point 
> of ethyl alcohol is given?  ( Either C of F OK.  I kant spel the F 
> word without my dick shun airy. )  Thanks, Bill..
>   CtwoHsixO  ( Also, can't write numeric subscripts.)


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr 18 08:57:48 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:57:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ethyl alcohol BP
In-Reply-To: <889503.18391.qm@web59207.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <889503.18391.qm@web59207.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D7196CD2-6E0C-47E4-BD2A-B1A0145FFBDF@rustyiron.com>

On Apr 18, 2007, at 7:45 AM, William Young wrote:

>
>
> Does anyone have at hand a reference book in which the boiling  
> point of ethyl alcohol is given?  ( Either C of F OK.  I kant spel  
> the F word without my dick shun airy. )  Thanks, Bill..
>   CtwoHsixO  ( Also, can't write numeric subscripts.)


78.4 degrees Celsius.
Gonna whip up a batch of sake?

Rob





From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr 18 09:08:06 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:08:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] UK Question
In-Reply-To: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <C7138827-011C-4137-8A9F-D1A3EDA658FE@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 18, 2007, at 7:50 AM, Jim and Diane wrote:

> Can somebody please tell me an American translation for silver  
> steel and
> gunmetal?


Silver Steel:
TYPICAL ANALYSIS:

C.	Si.	Cr.	Mn.
1.00% 	0.30% 	0.40% 	0.35%
Silver Steel is a 1% carbon tool steel supplied centreless ground to  
close tolerances. Available in 1, 2 or 3 metre lengths. Non standard  
sizes can be produced to your specific requirements.

Hardening: Heat to 770/790?C and thoroughly soak. Quench into well  
agitated water or preferably a 10% brine solution.

Tempering: Heat uniformly and thoroughly at the selected tempering  
temperatures and hold for at least one hour. For your guidance refer  
to our colour charts for forging, hardening and tempering.

Tempering ?C	150	200	250	300
HRC	64/66	62/64	60/58	54/56




Gunmetal:

Gunmetal is a kind of bronze, an alloy of copper, tin, and some zinc,  
originally used chiefly for making guns, but later superseded by  
steel. It is also called red brass in America.
Gunmetals produced for different purposes vary slightly in  
composition. In some cases, the alloy may be composed only from  
copper and tin, or from copper, tin, and lead. It has many uses in  
industry, and is used for statues and various small objects, e.g.  
buttons.
U.S. Government bronze spec. G is a gunmetal composed of 88% copper,  
10% tin, and 2% zinc. U.S. Government bronze spec. H is composed of  
83% copper, 14% tin, 3% zinc, and 0.8% phosphorus.
Gunmetal can also mean steel treated to simulate gunmetal bronze.
Gunmetal is also a name for a shade of grey colour.







From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr 18 09:28:38 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:28:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] UK Question
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	<C7138827-011C-4137-8A9F-D1A3EDA658FE@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <009501c781d6$a1e2faa0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] UK Question



On Apr 18, 2007, at 7:50 AM, Jim and Diane wrote:

> Can somebody please tell me an American translation for silver
> steel and
> gunmetal?


Silver Steel:
TYPICAL ANALYSIS:

C. Si. Cr. Mn.
1.00% 0.30% 0.40% 0.35%
Silver Steel is a 1% carbon tool steel supplied centreless ground to
close tolerances. Available in 1, 2 or 3 metre lengths. Non standard
sizes can be produced to your specific requirements.

Hardening: Heat to 770/790?C and thoroughly soak. Quench into well
agitated water or preferably a 10% brine solution.

Tempering: Heat uniformly and thoroughly at the selected tempering
temperatures and hold for at least one hour. For your guidance refer
to our colour charts for forging, hardening and tempering.

Tempering ?C 150 200 250 300
HRC 64/66 62/64 60/58 54/56

Gunmetal:

Gunmetal is a kind of bronze, an alloy of copper, tin, and some zinc,
originally used chiefly for making guns, but later superseded by
steel. It is also called red brass in America.
Gunmetals produced for different purposes vary slightly in
composition. In some cases, the alloy may be composed only from
copper and tin, or from copper, tin, and lead. It has many uses in
industry, and is used for statues and various small objects, e.g.
buttons.
U.S. Government bronze spec. G is a gunmetal composed of 88% copper,
10% tin, and 2% zinc. U.S. Government bronze spec. H is composed of
83% copper, 14% tin, 3% zinc, and 0.8% phosphorus.
Gunmetal can also mean steel treated to simulate gunmetal bronze.
Gunmetal is also a name for a shade of grey colour.




I put the question on the UK model engineers group & here are the responses.
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Silver steel is drill rod in american, for gunmetal try looking for
"government bronze", link here
http://www.bartleby.com/65/gu/gunmetal.html
Peter
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Silver steel is "drill rod" in US-English. Drill rod being of a bit better
quality than silver steel.
Nick
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Gunmetal is "red brass"
Michael
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Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From ddotto at cableone.net  Wed Apr 18 10:38:59 2007
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:38:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] UK Question
In-Reply-To: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <004801c781e0$72ebc560$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

Silver Steel = Drill Rod 01 or W1
Gunmetal = Bronze 

I'm not sure of the alloy on the Bronze but I would think 660 bearing bronze
would be fine for most applications; I'm not sure about steam service
though.

Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-
> bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim and Diane
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:50 AM
> To: Stationary Engine List
> Subject: [SEL] UK Question
> 
> Can somebody please tell me an American translation for silver steel and
> gunmetal?
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> 
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 18 11:36:51 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:36:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Another one followed me home today
In-Reply-To: <20070418154907.E31E858025@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <717701.48231.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Frank, I'll have to spend some time at these sites and see what I got.
  Ron

Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:
  
Morning folks,
Another engine came home with me today. It's a Delco engine 
generator. Don't know too much about it yet. other than it's a single 
cylinder vertical 4 cycle with a big cast flywheel with cooling fins 
cast into it. The only tag I find on it so far says Delco Light and a 
series of stamped numbers on it. Probably a serial number. It
appears to be missing a cover around the cylinder cooling fins 
and possible a top of some sort. There are wires hanging out of it 
all over the generator. Wonder if they should be attached to a 
control panel. Design voltage?? That's a good question.
Any ideas??
Ron
Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
------------------------------------------
You can start with my site. I haven't updated it in a long time but 
it should allow you to get the make and model.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/d-id.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/
Then go over to 
and lots of people will help

Frank
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  Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex 
    http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
  " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
   


       
---------------------------------
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 Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr 18 15:02:33 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:02:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
References: <006d01c781be$bb298be0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070418104153.02ee0710@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <001001c78205$446d4e50$0601a8c0@altech>


No, not that big yellow monster Mark ;-))
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Gardner-6LX-Marine-Diesel-Engine_W0QQitemZ140108106843QQihZ004QQcategoryZ26451QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Peter, Oz






>I take it then you don't mean the one thats currently on there thats not
> sold yet ? Item number: 140108106843
> []
>
>
>
>
> At 09:37 AM 4/18/07, you wrote:
>>  Hi All
>>
>>  Earlier this year there was a Gardner engine on ebay for sale in Oz, 
>> does
>>  anyone have any idea who was the seller, or their Ebay ID so I can 
>> contact
>>  them please.
>>  It did not sell as far as I can remember.
>>  The Gardner is a nice engine and there is a nice display at the Anson
>>Museum
>>  in the UK when I visited last December meeting Geoff Challinor & Dave
>>Croft.
>>  http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=11
>>  I would like to track down the one in Oz.
>>
>>  Regards
>>  Peter, Oz
>>
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>


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
> Parts lists available on request.
>
> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
> Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell 
> Phone
> you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if
> possible.
> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I 
> represent
> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>


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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Apr 18 15:23:58 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:23:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] UK Question
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Message-ID: <003b01c78208$45397090$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I think you call silver steel 'Drill rod'
For practical purposes, Gunmetal is just bronze
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] UK Question


> Can somebody please tell me an American translation for silver steel and 
> gunmetal?
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net 
> 
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 18 17:50:00 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:50:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: MICA
Message-ID: <001e01c7821c$a9fc5510$240110ac@FAMILY>

Can anyone help John with this?

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: John R Ames 
To: Paul Maples 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: MICA


HELLO PAUL,  I HAVE A QUESTION, I AM LOOKING FOR A THIN FLAT PIECE
OF MICA OR A TUBE OF MICA WITH  A SMALL ID. 1/16". IT IS TO INSULATE
IN AN AREA WITH HIGH HEAT.  ANY IDEAS?
JOHN


JR


From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Apr 18 18:50:27 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:50:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
         It's only a few times in a man's life that he is able to help a 
good friend turn away from the DARK SIDE and enter upon a path that leads 
to a fuller life and happiness. Last Saturday (April 14, 2007) was one of 
those days for me!
         My good friend has been a FATG for years. He has even written 
books on the subject of antique tractors. He and I have known each other 
for many years, and I could always tell that there was something missing in 
his life. A year or so ago, my friend came to that conclusion himself. 
After much soul searching he reached out for help and it was my good 
fortune to be there in his time of need!
         Several times in the past year my friend has tried to turn away 
from the DARK SIDE, but each time something went wrong and he was unable to 
turn his life around. However, several months ago he made another attempt 
to begin his journey away from evil--and this time he has succeeded!
         Saturday I ventured to Waynesburg, PA to meet Spencer Yost and 
help him take his 25 HP Ball Oil Field Engine off the oil well where it had 
spent it's entire working life. At 7:00 AM I met Spencer and Brice Adams 
and Steve Sewell for breakfast and by 8:00 we were on our way to the Ball 
engine site some 20 miles away. Spencer had hired a fellow with an 
excavator to assist with the job. (What a God-send that was!)
         Steve had said at breakfast that we had better have the engine on 
his trailer and chained down by noon--"Or we will be getting wet!" By 11:30 
it was on the trailer and chained down! It started to rain at 11:45. (Steve 
is usually not that far off!)
         All in all Steve, Brice and I had a great time helping Spencer 
turn toward the LIGHT! He is now the proud owner of a 25 HP Ball Oil Field 
engine and well on his way to a fuller and happier life! (Just look at the 
smile on his face in the pictures!)
         Dave
PS, Pictures are at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html or 
you can go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on "SE 
List Members Engines" and then on 
"<http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html>Spencer 
Yost's 25 HP Ball Engine"
PPS, The first two pictures are of Steve Sewell handing me the flywheels 
that I won on the X-mas Charity Auction--you will see them again!
          



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr 18 18:39:43 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:39:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001701c78223$9b2507b0$0601a8c0@altech>

Great story Dave and fantastic set of before pictures. You really had me 
feeling sad half way through the story ;-)).
Congratulations Spencer and to all that helped him see the LIGHT, Amen.

Peter, Oz





> Hi All,
>         It's only a few times in a man's life that he is able to help a
> good friend turn away from the DARK SIDE and enter upon a path that leads
> to a fuller life and happiness. Last Saturday (April 14, 2007) was one of
> those days for me!
>         My good friend has been a FATG for years. He has even written
> books on the subject of antique tractors. He and I have known each other
> for many years, and I could always tell that there was something missing 
> in
> his life. A year or so ago, my friend came to that conclusion himself.
> After much soul searching he reached out for help and it was my good
> fortune to be there in his time of need!
>         Several times in the past year my friend has tried to turn away
> from the DARK SIDE, but each time something went wrong and he was unable 
> to
> turn his life around. However, several months ago he made another attempt
> to begin his journey away from evil--and this time he has succeeded!
>         Saturday I ventured to Waynesburg, PA to meet Spencer Yost and
> help him take his 25 HP Ball Oil Field Engine off the oil well where it 
> had
> spent it's entire working life. At 7:00 AM I met Spencer and Brice Adams
> and Steve Sewell for breakfast and by 8:00 we were on our way to the Ball
> engine site some 20 miles away. Spencer had hired a fellow with an
> excavator to assist with the job. (What a God-send that was!)
>         Steve had said at breakfast that we had better have the engine on
> his trailer and chained down by noon--"Or we will be getting wet!" By 
> 11:30
> it was on the trailer and chained down! It started to rain at 11:45. 
> (Steve
> is usually not that far off!)
>         All in all Steve, Brice and I had a great time helping Spencer
> turn toward the LIGHT! He is now the proud owner of a 25 HP Ball Oil Field
> engine and well on his way to a fuller and happier life! (Just look at the
> smile on his face in the pictures!)
>         Dave
> PS, Pictures are at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html 
> or
> you can go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on "SE
> List Members Engines" and then on
> "<http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html>Spencer
> Yost's 25 HP Ball Engine"
> PPS, The first two pictures are of Steve Sewell handing me the flywheels
> that I won on the X-mas Charity Auction--you will see them again!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Apr 18 19:18:02 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:18:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: MICA
In-Reply-To: <001e01c7821c$a9fc5510$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <001e01c7821c$a9fc5510$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070418221352.02ef1c70@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Paul,
  Is he wanting a sheet of mica like used in a stove door? If so call 
Lehman Hardware in Kidron Ohio. They stock sheets of mica. In that form its 
called Ising glass.              TTYL,  Mark


At 08:50 PM 4/18/07, you wrote:
>Can anyone help John with this?
>
>Paul
>----- Original Message -----
>From: John R Ames
>To: Paul Maples
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 PM
>Subject: MICA
>
>HELLO PAUL,  I HAVE A QUESTION, I AM LOOKING FOR A THIN FLAT PIECE
>OF MICA OR A TUBE OF MICA WITH  A SMALL ID. 1/16". IT IS TO INSULATE
>IN AN AREA WITH HIGH HEAT.  ANY IDEAS?
>JOHN
>
>
>JR
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Apr 18 19:16:00 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:16:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Helping a Good Friend!
Message-ID: <20070419021830.D921259A17@gw1.nlenet.net>


My good friend has been a FATG for years. He has even written
books on the subject of antique tractors. He and I have known each other
for many years, and I could always tell that there was something missing in
his life. A year or so ago, my friend came to that conclusion himself.
After much soul searching he reached out for help and it was my good
fortune to be there in his time of need!


That is a REAL nice tractor you used to pull it out of the shed Looks 
like it was real useful to

Frankhttp://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/ih200-1.html

From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Apr 18 19:19:44 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:19:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: MICA
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070418221830.02ef5760@pop3.wcoil.com>

PS: He will have to put his own hole in it.

Hi Paul,
  Is he wanting a sheet of mica like used in a stove door? If so call 
Lehman Hardware in Kidron Ohio. They stock sheets of mica. In that form its 
called Ising glass.              TTYL,  Mark

At 08:50 PM 4/18/07, you wrote:
>Can anyone help John with this?
>Paul
>----- Original Message -----
>From: John R Ames
>To: Paul Maples
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 PM
>Subject: MICA
>
>HELLO PAUL,  I HAVE A QUESTION, I AM LOOKING FOR A THIN FLAT PIECE
>OF MICA OR A TUBE OF MICA WITH  A SMALL ID. 1/16". IT IS TO INSULATE
>IN AN AREA WITH HIGH HEAT.  ANY IDEAS?   JOHN JR

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From bboyce at swat.coop  Wed Apr 18 07:02:17 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:02:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ...now 33...OT
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070417211601.04987ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <005701c781c2$2c9db500$5a4cfea9@bboyce>

well said, jerry evans !!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
,,,,," Why the hell cant
> governments not realise that criminals do not obey laws anyway. Much 
> better
> if they allow a "shoot to kill" law against criminals. It would save the
> taxpayer millions in court fees - luxury accommodation (todays jails) and
> make life so much better for all us citizens who put the damn government
> there in the first place."
 bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas



From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Apr 18 20:34:31 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:34:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
In-Reply-To: <20070419021830.D921259A17@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <20070419021830.D921259A17@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418223226.04f293e8@mail.alltel.net>


>Frankhttp://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/ih200-1.html

That's a NICE looking tractor Frank. And the 21 HP is more that enough to 
get the job done!
         Dave
PS, Ya, I know it's only 20.92 HP, but I rounded up!



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 18 19:45:17 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:45:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: MICA
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070418221830.02ef5760@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <005101c7822c$c4620ac0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Mark I forwarded your message to him, thanks.

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: MICA


> PS: He will have to put his own hole in it.
>
> Hi Paul,
>  Is he wanting a sheet of mica like used in a stove door? If so call
> Lehman Hardware in Kidron Ohio. They stock sheets of mica. In that form 
> its
> called Ising glass.              TTYL,  Mark
>
> At 08:50 PM 4/18/07, you wrote:
>>Can anyone help John with this?
>>Paul
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: John R Ames
>>To: Paul Maples
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 PM
>>Subject: MICA
>>
>>HELLO PAUL,  I HAVE A QUESTION, I AM LOOKING FOR A THIN FLAT PIECE
>>OF MICA OR A TUBE OF MICA WITH  A SMALL ID. 1/16". IT IS TO INSULATE
>>IN AN AREA WITH HIGH HEAT.  ANY IDEAS?   JOHN JR
>
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
> Parts lists available on request.
>
> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
> Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell 
> Phone
> you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if
> possible.
> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I 
> represent
> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Apr 18 20:16:13 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:16:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] UK Question
In-Reply-To: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <4626DEFD.5080205@telenet.net>



Jim and Diane wrote:
> Can somebody please tell me an American translation for silver steel and 
> gunmetal?
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
Silver Steel - 1% Carbon Steel

Gunmetal - Original "gunmetal" was a bronze alloy (83% copper, 14% tin, 
3% zinc, and 0.8% phosphorus) AKA Red Brass
            Current "gunmetal" is a steel alloy that is heat treated to 
LOOK like original gunmetal.

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr 18 22:29:56 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:29:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
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On Apr 18, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> It's only a few times in a man's life that he is able to help a
> good friend turn away from the DARK SIDE and enter upon a path that  
> leads
> to a fuller life and happiness. Last Saturday (April 14, 2007) was  
> one of
> those days for me!

Thank you, Brother Dave, for sharing that magnificent set of  
photographs.  Spencer sure does look happy!   However, he looks a  
little stressed in the pictures where the Ball is on the end of a  
chain.  I noticed that in the span of the three hour recovery, Steve  
is wearing no less than three outfits.  There must be more to this  
story.

Spencer, congratulations on the acquisition of a sweet engine.  I  
can't wait to hear her bark.

Rob




From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Apr 19 05:26:32 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:26:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another one followed me home today
In-Reply-To: <395789.8778.qm@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEADFKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

This may give you some more information:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Delco/Delco.html

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Ron Frost,
> Kersey, PA
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:37 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Another one followed me home today




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 19 04:44:12 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:44:12 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> RE:  Helping a Good Friend!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY129-F3159B59842F2B558F7BA88C8570@phx.gbl>

Great pictures Dave. Congradulations Spencer!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===========================

>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>
>PS, Pictures are at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html

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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 19 05:07:31 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:07:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Another one followed me home today
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEADFKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <175150.38241.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the site Elden. Mine is somewhat like this 750 except the spark plug comes off the side of the head rather than from the top. So I expect it is a different model. Still haven't gotten it off the truck so I can really see what I got. There definately is no control panel or chimney with it. It just may be that it turns out to be a power plant, Engine without a generator. We'll see.
  Thanks again
  Ron

Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
  Ron:

This may give you some more information:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Delco/Delco.html

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron Frost,
> Kersey, PA
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:37 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Another one followed me home today


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  Ron Frost
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Apr 19 05:20:15 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:20:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] mistry piston! and rod
In-Reply-To: <000701c76c5b$a87656e0$0301a8c0@Young1203>
References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203>
	<7.0.1.0.0.20070320214900.01e45868@ncable.com.au>
	<000701c76c5b$a87656e0$0301a8c0@Young1203>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070419221355.01b7a258@ncable.com.au>


>G'day all, a good mate close to home has asked if I may be able to 
>help him identify a large piston and con rod. It would most likely 
>be an Ozzie built or English built piston and rod?? this is the link 
>to the pic's Ive posted.  : 
>http://community.webshots.com/album/558729433vEFwpL  if it does'nt
work then just go to my webshots and you will see the new album.  the 
specs are as follows  the piston is 6 & 11/16th wide and 12 inches 
long, the top of the piston to the center of the gudjon is 6 inches, 
from the centre of the gudjon to the center of the crank shaft hole 
is 31 & 3/4 inches and the crank hole it's self is 2 &3/4 inches 
wide.  Any advice is welcome. and I will pass it all on to my mate.
regards Russell
> >
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
>SEL mailing list
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Apr 19 05:25:20 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:25:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
In-Reply-To: <002601c781b1$f9419dd0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <20070419122414.VOCC27562.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

There are more pics of this engine on my Lake Goldsmith page, about a 1/4 of
the way down:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Hi All

Earlier this year there was a Gardner engine on ebay for sale in Oz, does 
anyone have any idea who was the seller, or their Ebay ID so I can contact 
them please.
It did not sell as far as I can remember.
The Gardner is a nice engine and there is a nice display at the Anson Museum

in the UK when I visited last December meeting Geoff Challinor & Dave Croft.
http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=11
I would like to track down the one in Oz.

Regards
Peter, Oz



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Apr 19 05:42:16 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:42:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <462763A8.9050702@imc-group.com>

Dave,
Thanks so much for the excellent documentation of the redemption of both 
an engine and a man.
Many of us only dream of finding a barn or shed fresh engine. I seem to 
recall your big Herc was retrieved from a shed. It would be fun to hear 
from other list members who has found what, discovered in barn fresh 
condition. Tell us your stories. The engine, the location, the stories 
(and lies :-) ) you had to tell to talk the engine away from the 
original owner. Remember what Royster had to go thru just to get a 
simple compressor? There's got to be some good engine stores too! So 
tell us your stories and let the rest of us live your adventures 
vicariously.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. Spencer, a huge congratulations on your engine and to your recovery.

Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Hi All,
>          It's only a few times in a man's life that he is able to help a 
> good friend turn away from the DARK SIDE and enter upon a path that leads 
> to a fuller life and happiness. Last Saturday (April 14, 2007) was one of 
> those days for me!
>          My good friend has been a FATG for years. He has even written 
> books on the subject of antique tractors. He and I have known each other 
> for many years, and I could always tell that there was something missing in 
> his life. A year or so ago, my friend came to that conclusion himself. 
> After much soul searching he reached out for help and it was my good 
> fortune to be there in his time of need!
>          Several times in the past year my friend has tried to turn away 
> from the DARK SIDE, but each time something went wrong and he was unable to 
> turn his life around. However, several months ago he made another attempt 
> to begin his journey away from evil--and this time he has succeeded!
>          Saturday I ventured to Waynesburg, PA to meet Spencer Yost and 
> help him take his 25 HP Ball Oil Field Engine off the oil well where it had 
> spent it's entire working life. At 7:00 AM I met Spencer and Brice Adams 
> and Steve Sewell for breakfast and by 8:00 we were on our way to the Ball 
> engine site some 20 miles away. Spencer had hired a fellow with an 
> excavator to assist with the job. (What a God-send that was!)
>          Steve had said at breakfast that we had better have the engine on 
> his trailer and chained down by noon--"Or we will be getting wet!" By 11:30 
> it was on the trailer and chained down! It started to rain at 11:45. (Steve 
> is usually not that far off!)
>          All in all Steve, Brice and I had a great time helping Spencer 
> turn toward the LIGHT! He is now the proud owner of a 25 HP Ball Oil Field 
> engine and well on his way to a fuller and happier life! (Just look at the 
> smile on his face in the pictures!)
>          Dave
> PS, Pictures are at: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html or 
> you can go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on "SE 
> List Members Engines" and then on 
> "<http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html>Spencer 
> Yost's 25 HP Ball Engine"
> PPS, The first two pictures are of Steve Sewell handing me the flywheels 
> that I won on the X-mas Charity Auction--you will see them again!
>           
>
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>   



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Apr 19 06:07:41 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:07:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>

Was driving the scenic route along the shores of the Ohio river a couple 
of weekends ago and came across this nice collection of oilfield engines 
and parts. Have no idea who the owner is as there was no one around. But 
it sure made my day kicking a few flywheels, so to speak. Here are a few 
pictures:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH%20River%20Engines/Thumbnails.html>
or
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH River 
Engines/Thumbnails.html>

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Apr 19 06:15:12 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:15:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
	<4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV76051ABB57E7A727A1A4BBB570@phx.gbl>

Thanks Curt..hope it find a new home.....MINE

RickinMt.




> Was driving the scenic route along the shores of the Ohio river a couple
> of weekends ago and came across this nice collection of oilfield engines
> and parts. Have no idea who the owner is as there was no one around. But
> it sure made my day kicking a few flywheels, so to speak. Here are a few
> pictures:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH%20River%20Engines/Thumbnails.html>
> or
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH River
> Engines/Thumbnails.html> 



From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Thu Apr 19 07:42:49 2007
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:42:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
References: <006d01c781be$bb298be0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <00b301c78291$01fac930$a9ad57ca@n>

G'day Peter
Yes that Gardner on ebay did sell, went for a bit over $4500 and it headed 
up Mildura way. Maybe Russell Gilbert might know who has got it??
    Cheers
               Mick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted


> Hi All
>
> Earlier this year there was a Gardner engine on ebay for sale in Oz, does
> anyone have any idea who was the seller, or their Ebay ID so I can contact
> them please.
> It did not sell as far as I can remember.
> The Gardner is a nice engine and there is a nice display at the Anson
> Museum
> in the UK when I visited last December meeting Geoff Challinor & Dave
> Croft.
> http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=11
> I would like to track down the one in Oz.
>
> Regards
> Peter, Oz
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Thu Apr 19 09:49:58 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:49:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
	<4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91>

Nice pictures Curt.  I bet you were in West Virginia somewhere?

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"OFES" <ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:07 AM
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......


> Was driving the scenic route along the shores of the Ohio river a couple
> of weekends ago and came across this nice collection of oilfield engines
> and parts. Have no idea who the owner is as there was no one around. But
> it sure made my day kicking a few flywheels, so to speak. Here are a few
> pictures:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH%20River%20Engines/Thumbnails.html>
> or
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH River
> Engines/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Apr 19 12:13:56 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:13:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
In-Reply-To: <002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>	<4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>
	<002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <4627BF74.4000008@imc-group.com>

Within swimming distance......was on the Ohio side of the river.
Curt

Glenn Karch wrote:
> Nice pictures Curt.  I bet you were in West Virginia somewhere?
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
>
>   
>> Was driving the scenic route along the shores of the Ohio river a couple
>> of weekends ago and came across this nice collection of oilfield engines
>> and parts. Have no idea who the owner is as there was no one around. But
>> it sure made my day kicking a few flywheels, so to speak. Here are a few
>> pictures:
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH%20River%20Engines/Thumbnails.html>
>> or
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH River
>> Engines/Thumbnails.html>
>>
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>>     
>
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>
>   



From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Apr 19 13:38:36 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:38:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
In-Reply-To: <4627BF74.4000008@imc-group.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
	<4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>
	<002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91>
	<4627BF74.4000008@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419153743.04f5d948@mail.alltel.net>

That's the place from where Tillie came!
         Dave

At 02:13 PM 4/19/2007, you wrote:
>Within swimming distance......was on the Ohio side of the river.
>Curt
>
>Glenn Karch wrote:
> > Nice pictures Curt.  I bet you were in West Virginia somewhere?
> >
> > Glenn Karch



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Thu Apr 19 13:28:39 2007
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:28:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419153743.04f5d948@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
	<4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>
	<002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91>
	<4627BF74.4000008@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070419153743.04f5d948@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200704191632613.SM04256@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com>

That is Fred Anderson's Place.  It is also where Kerry's Reid came from.
Keith



Keith Kinney
Evansville, Indiana  USA
www.HerculesEngines.com 



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Apr 19 13:46:25 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:46:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419153743.04f5d948@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>	<4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>	<002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91>	<4627BF74.4000008@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070419153743.04f5d948@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4627D521.90108@imc-group.com>

It appears this place is the magnetic center of eastern Ahia! No wonder 
we were drawn to it!
Curt

Dave Rotigel wrote:
> That's the place from where Tillie came!
>          Dave
>
> At 02:13 PM 4/19/2007, you wrote:
>   
>> Within swimming distance......was on the Ohio side of the river.
>> Curt
>>
>> Glenn Karch wrote:
>>     
>>> Nice pictures Curt.  I bet you were in West Virginia somewhere?
>>>
>>> Glenn Karch
>>>       
>
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>   



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Apr 19 14:13:43 2007
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:13:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net><4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com><002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91><4627BF74.4000008@imc-group.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070419153743.04f5d948@mail.alltel.net>
	<200704191632613.SM04256@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <00cc01c782c7$9edd3b30$0200a8c0@fbi>

Where all the best engines come from!

Dolly

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>


> That is Fred Anderson's Place.  It is also where Kerry's Reid came from.
> Keith
> 



From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Apr 19 15:02:41 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:02:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
In-Reply-To: <00b301c78291$01fac930$a9ad57ca@n>
References: <006d01c781be$bb298be0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<00b301c78291$01fac930$a9ad57ca@n>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070420075959.01b7e018@ncable.com.au>

you have me interested now Mick!!! who, where . 
what  ................ I think I remember seeing it on ebay but have 
know idea at all where it went to.  There are a few collectors in our 
district who keep a very low profile. It could be sleeping locally 
and we will never know. If I find anything out i will let you know
Russell

At 12:42 AM 20/04/2007, you wrote:
>G'day Peter
>Yes that Gardner on ebay did sell, went for a bit over $4500 and it headed
>up Mildura way. Maybe Russell Gilbert might know who has got it??
>     Cheers
>                Mick
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:37 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
>
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > Earlier this year there was a Gardner engine on ebay for sale in Oz, does
> > anyone have any idea who was the seller, or their Ebay ID so I can contact
> > them please.
> > It did not sell as far as I can remember.
> > The Gardner is a nice engine and there is a nice display at the Anson
> > Museum
> > in the UK when I visited last December meeting Geoff Challinor & Dave
> > Croft.
> > http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=11
> > I would like to track down the one in Oz.
> >
> > Regards
> > Peter, Oz
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Apr 19 19:39:56 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:39:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
Message-ID: <20070420024106.D00DA58E90@gw1.nlenet.net>

Just caught a History Channel Mega movers on the saving and moving of 
a 1923 Bucyrus B50  Steem shovel.  Good show. I hope they repeat it.
Here is a little info from the web.
http://www.themountainear.com/story19.shtml
http://dmtop.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html
http://www.themountainear.com/story6.shtml

Does anyone have any more info on it?  How does it compare to the 
Bucyus-Erie 50-B steam shovel at Rollag?  They look like the same machine.

Frank

  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Apr 20 03:20:25 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:20:25 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT..refering back to the Virginia Tech tragedy
Message-ID: <002701c78335$87f675d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Unfortunately my mail was corrupted and I did not get any feed back from the 
17 th to the 20th .I was also away from my computer and when i was able to 
receive mail there were 347 and a lot of these were lost .However I must 
have pressed the sensitive buttons  as gauged by  some emails I have been 
able to D/L.
The SEL is there for us to express our own feelings .If it has upset some of 
you so be it . I am certainly not going to fall into line just because my 
opinion is contrary to yours.I tried not to get personal in my comments but 
that sure as hell did not stop some of you becoming quite abusive . As I 
said we can say what we like so go for it .
My sympathy goes out to the parents, friends and all of you who have been 
touched by this tragedy.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Apr 20 05:28:14 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:28:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
In-Reply-To: <20070420024106.D00DA58E90@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBKFKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Frank:

I saw it, too.  After catching mistakes on The History Channel, TLC and others, I would not be surprised if it turned out that there were more than one of those Bucyrus shovels left.

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Frank
> DeWitt
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 09:40 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
> 
> 
> Just caught a History Channel Mega movers on the 
> saving and moving of 
> a 1923 Bucyrus B50  Steem shovel.  Good show. I 
> hope they repeat it.
> Here is a little info from the web.
> http://www.themountainear.com/story19.shtml
> http://dmtop.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html
> http://www.themountainear.com/story6.shtml
> 
> Does anyone have any more info on it?  How does 
> it compare to the 
> Bucyus-Erie 50-B steam shovel at Rollag?  They 
> look like the same machine.
> 
> Frank




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Apr 20 08:25:44 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:25:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
Message-ID: <20070420.112607.1172.8.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Frank,

Thanks for the info on the History Channel.

If you are interested, look up Silver Spade on Google.

Here's one of the sites that will take you to it.

http://www.stripmine.org/spade.htm

It was stored at Cadiz, Ohio, real close to the Stumptown Steam Threshers
Show.
Unfortunatly, we/they couldn't raise enough money to have it saved and it

has been dismantled.


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Fri Apr 20 08:46:59 2007
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:46:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
References: <20070420024106.D00DA58E90@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <001501c78363$252a2b30$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Thx. Frank for the post. It was thoroughly enjoyed.   George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:39 PM
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch


> Just caught a History Channel Mega movers on the saving and moving of
> a 1923 Bucyrus B50  Steem shovel.  Good show. I hope they repeat it.
> Here is a little info from the web.
> http://www.themountainear.com/story19.shtml
> http://dmtop.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html
> http://www.themountainear.com/story6.shtml
>
> Does anyone have any more info on it?  How does it compare to the
> Bucyus-Erie 50-B steam shovel at Rollag?  They look like the same machine.
>
> Frank
>
>  Frank DeWitt
>
>  Light plant WEB page
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
>  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
>  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
>  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 10:21:11 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:21:11 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT..refering back to the Virginia Tech tragedy
In-Reply-To: <002701c78335$87f675d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <002701c78335$87f675d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704201021qf3bd95bkd890281d82dc93e6@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> The SEL is there for us to express our own feelings
> Peter Ogborne

Probably better not to have got into this tragedy on an engine list in
the first place, it is not the best of things to come up on the screen
when you are trying to get away from the rest of the world in your
leisure time...

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Apr 20 16:27:01 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:27:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT..refering back to the Virginia Tech tragedy
In-Reply-To: <002701c78335$87f675d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <002701c78335$87f675d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070420180806.0516bec0@mail.alltel.net>


>The SEL is there for us to express our own feelings .If it has upset some of
>you so be it . I am certainly not going to fall into line just because my
>opinion is contrary to yours.I tried not to get personal in my comments but
>that sure as hell did not stop some of you becoming quite abusive . As I
>said we can say what we like so go for it .
>Peter Ogborne

Hi Peter,
         Well, you asked for it so I guess I'll express my thoughts (NOT my 
"feelings" because that's what Lilly Livered Commie Pinko Fascists do!)
         First let me say that I carry 24/7 and will blow away any purt 
that threatens me or any member of my family or my friends.
         Second let me say that I could care less what the hell you and /or 
your kind thing about our gun laws here in the USA! I'll not comment on the 
stupid ass gun laws you have in OZ and I'll thank you not to comment on the 
laws here in the USA!
         Third, please note that it was you who started all this with your 
stupid ass ignorant comments about gun laws in the USA. (Please note also 
that I have not called you a stupid ass [even though others may have that 
opinion] but only your ignorant comments! I would not want to get 
"personal" on all this!)
         Forth, Please have a good day--and I wish you well when some perp 
attacks you, or a member of your family!
                 Dave
PS, I think you have already fallen "into line!" 



From flywheel at netconnect.com.au  Fri Apr 20 19:46:01 2007
From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:46:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
In-Reply-To: <20070420.112607.1172.8.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20070420.112607.1172.8.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20070421024553.94F0DE31C5@mail05.chariot.net.au>

Although of a different order of magnitude, another surviving steam 
shovel that is regularly operated for the public twice a year resides 
at Lake Goldsmith Steam Park in country Victoria, Australia.

It is Australia's largest, (90 tons) fully operational steam shovel 
and the remaining one of a pair imported from England in the 1920s 
(?) by Portland Cement to work at their Geelong quarries.

See http://www.lakegoldsmithsteamrally.org.au/

It is a great crowd pleaser.

Regards,

Mark



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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Apr 20 22:26:38 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:26:38 +0800
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Spam/Phish=3E_A_message_to_D_Rotog?=
	=?windows-1252?q?el_from_P_Ogborne=2E=2E=2EOT?=
Message-ID: <001f01c783d5$a86c96f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

I have considered your response .Normally I would not bother with such nor 
would I do it on list but you have chosen to berate me and I find your 
comments rather offensive.

.Over the years since being on this
list I have formed a pen picture of you in my mind. Not pretty,someone who 
delights
in ridiculing others,being it about their politics,their religion and
generally anything that enables you to get in a smart comment at their
expense.It is quite obvious that anything that I might say touches a raw
nerve with you.Your reference to feelings as against thoughts and the 
connection to the Communist Party is most unusual and possibly would have 
been most useful in the Mc McCarthy era!
So, my advise to you is to go and sit in your old rocking chair,ignore what 
I
say and life may seem somewhat more pleasant.If you with to continue this 
lets do it off list but then you wont have an audience.Personally I don't 
feel inclined to continue this discussion.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia

jopeter at omninet.net.au



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Apr 20 22:27:22 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:27:22 +0800
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Spam/Phish=3E_A_message_to_D_Rotog?=
	=?windows-1252?q?el_from_P_Ogborne=2E=2E=2EOT?=
Message-ID: <002201c783d5$c2319310$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

I have considered your response .Normally I would not bother with such nor
would I do it on list but you have chosen to berate me and I find your
comments rather offensive.

.Over the years since being on this
list I have formed a pen picture of you in my mind. Not pretty,someone who
delights
in ridiculing others,being it about their politics,their religion and
generally anything that enables you to get in a smart comment at their
expense.It is quite obvious that anything that I might say touches a raw
nerve with you.Your reference to feelings as against thoughts and the
connection to the Communist Party is most unusual and possibly would have
been most useful in the  McCarthy era!
So, my advise to you is to go and sit in your old rocking chair,ignore what
I
say and life may seem somewhat more pleasant.If you with to continue this
lets do it off list but then you wont have an audience.Personally I don't
feel inclined to continue this discussion.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia

jopeter at omninet.net.au



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Apr 20 22:27:33 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:27:33 +0800
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Spam/Phish=3E_A_message_to_D_Rotog?=
	=?windows-1252?q?el_from_P_Ogborne=2E=2E=2EOT?=
Message-ID: <002301c783d5$c7749ed0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

I have considered your response .Normally I would not bother with such nor
would I do it on list but you have chosen to berate me and I find your
comments rather offensive.

.Over the years since being on this
list I have formed a pen picture of you in my mind. Not pretty,someone who
delights
in ridiculing others,being it about their politics,their religion and
generally anything that enables you to get in a smart comment at their
expense.It is quite obvious that anything that I might say touches a raw
nerve with you.Your reference to feelings as against thoughts and the
connection to the Communist Party is most unusual and possibly would have
been most useful in the  McCarthy era!
So, my advise to you is to go and sit in your old rocking chair,ignore what
I
say and life may seem somewhat more pleasant.If you with to continue this
lets do it off list but then you wont have an audience.Personally I don't
feel inclined to continue this discussion.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia

jopeter at omninet.net.au



From plb at iinet.net.au  Fri Apr 20 23:00:17 2007
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Erica Freeman)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:00:17 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> A message to D Rotogel from P
	Ogborne...OT
In-Reply-To: <002301c783d5$c7749ed0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <002301c783d5$c7749ed0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <01db01c783da$5651a950$02f4fbf0$@net.au>

I enjoyed your response Peter but once is enough!! :D
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2007 1:28 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> A message to D Rotogel from P Ogborne...OT

I have considered your response .Normally I would not bother with such nor
would I do it on list but you have chosen to berate me and I find your
comments rather offensive.

.Over the years since being on this
list I have formed a pen picture of you in my mind. Not pretty,someone who
delights
in ridiculing others,being it about their politics,their religion and
generally anything that enables you to get in a smart comment at their
expense.It is quite obvious that anything that I might say touches a raw
nerve with you.Your reference to feelings as against thoughts and the
connection to the Communist Party is most unusual and possibly would have
been most useful in the  McCarthy era!
So, my advise to you is to go and sit in your old rocking chair,ignore what
I
say and life may seem somewhat more pleasant.If you with to continue this
lets do it off list but then you wont have an audience.Personally I don't
feel inclined to continue this discussion.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia

jopeter at omninet.net.au

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Apr 21 04:05:22 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:05:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Caldwell Molong Auction
Message-ID: <003e01c78404$f4ccda30$0601a8c0@altech>



Anyone in Oz interested in this auction.



Peter, Oz





CALDWELL MOLONG

ANTIQUE & COLLECTABLES AUCTION

MITCHELL HWY, MOLONG NSW

A/C Caldwell Molong & other Vendors

5TH MAY, 2007

10AM START

 

 

Approximately 100 plus lots of Crockery & Glassware; Carlton Ware, Wembley, Lord Nelson, Australian Pottery, Crown Ducal Florentine 70 pcs.

 

Approximately 100 plus lots of Furniture: Cedar, Pine, Oak.  Chairs, Tables, Wardrobes, Chests, Drawers, Desks, Mirrors, Dressers, Meat Safes, Pianola, Organs, Pictures & Frames, Beds, Hutch's, Red Phone Box.

 

Bakelite, Coca-Cola, Shaving Mugs, Stoneware, Kerosine Lamps, Wheel Barrows, Records, Blacksmiths (Anvil, Tyre Shrinker, Vices & Tools), Railway Crossing Signs & Memorabilia, Tricycles, Ladders, Steel Wheels, Bottles, Mowers, Oil Bottles, Traps, Setters, Shearing Gear, Boot Lasps, Chaff Cutters, Wheat Grinder, Magneto, Flat Irons, Water Pumps, Wood Planes, Milk Cans, Oil Bottles & Tins, Signs, Radio's, Clocks, Mincers, Cast Iron Ware, Horse Drawn Ploughs & Machinery

 

Stationary Engines- , Buzzacott pumper, McDonald Diesels, iHC, BSA, Wisconsin V4, Moffatt Virtue, Villiers, Cooper, Buzzacott Drag Saw, Hagan Saw/Bench, Petrol Jackhammer.

 

Tractors- Fowler Crawler, iHC W30, LandRover.

 

Many more items, too numerous to mention.  For full listing see www.mccarrons.com.au    on the 25th April, 2007

 

 

Approximately 600 Lots.

 

All equipment is unrestored.



From christison at coastalnet.com  Sat Apr 21 05:28:30 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:28:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FW: Dazzle Patch
Message-ID: <380-220074621122830453@coastalnet.com>

Can anybody help Tilman?

Thanks,

Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tilman Hanson 
To: christison at coastalnet.com
Sent: 4/21/2007 8:14:04 AM 
Subject: Dazzle Patch


Hi I'am looking for information on A Dazzle Patch engine hitnmiss water hopper cooled, it about a 11/2 or 2 Hp. I need some picture of how the point system work on the EXhust Push rod and the EXhust  cam I got the competlet engine except the the point system.can you help me.... Thank  You, Tilman


Regards, Tilman Hanson


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 21 07:41:52 2007
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:41:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT..refering back to the Virginia Tech tragedy
In-Reply-To: <002701c78335$87f675d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <705667.59690.qm@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> The SEL is there for us to express our own feelings .If it has upset
> some of 
> you so be it . I am certainly not going to fall into line just because
> my 
> opinion is contrary to yours.

Hello Peter,
You got it wrong, right off the bat. The SEL exists for the discussion of
engines and engine related things. The Slick Willy list is for things such
as politics, guns, etc. People who want engine related information
subscribe to the SEL, folks who like politics subscribe to the Slick list.
A lot of folks like both and are subscribed to both lists.
Having followed the SEL for a long time, I can tell you that the existance
and need for the Slick list has been mentioned here many times. Ken
Christensen has went a step further and created a list just for off topic
stuff.
THe sad part in all of this is that over the past several years I have
noticed a decline in the quantity and quality of engine related
discussions. A lot of knowledgeable folks have either left the list, or
went into lurk mode. So often now it seems that those who do the most
talking are the least worth listening to.
Having feelings that you wish to express to the world does not give you
the right to do so wherever and whenever you please. Unless your feelings
are engine related, you have no right or reason to thrust them upon the
rest of us, who come here to avoid such things from the real world. 
Continuing to post political crap to the SEL confirms my theory that you
are an arrogant, argumentative ass-bag who won't let facts get in the way
of his argument.
As you have said "If that has upset some of you, so be it."
Sorry if I ticked you off, but I am thousands of miles away from you,
almost certainly bigger than you and I HAVE A GUN!
Joe



Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 02:35:45 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:35:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland
Message-ID: <6f6025160704230235p69919709p6f87af0843e0eddd@mail.gmail.com>

Who is going to Portland in August this year?

We will have to sort something out for the Charity Auction on the
Thursday evening, assuming that it is still going ahead (Dave?)

Flights and motels were booked back in February, and most of our trip
itinerary has been settled, with just a few odds and ends to resolve.

We are hoping to visit the Henry Ford Museum in Detroit, have a look
at the big Nordberg diesel generating plant in Bryan, OH., and also
pay another visit to the Auburn-Cord museum in Auburn, just north of
Ft Wayne.

Rita and her Sister will be looking at a few sites that are in their
interest areas, and we are hoping for a good weather forecast for the
week. So far, we have had only good weather at Portland....

We have managed a couple of extra days this year, and as the month end
is slightly further away from our departure date we haven't the rush
back home to get the factory invoicing done this year!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Apr 23 04:31:52 2007
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:31:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 37, Issue 19
References: <mailman.3.1177171202.24623.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c7859a$fd5e4520$0500a8c0@user783e64edcc>

To one and all .....

It was good while it lasted .....

David Rotigel......

I  sure hope you're gettin' a warm, fuzzy feeling whilst strokin' your 
"Piece" ..... !

Goodbye ....


Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)
Runnin' with the wind ...

> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:27:01 -0500
> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT..refering back to the Virginia Tech tragedy
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070420180806.0516bec0 at mail.alltel.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>
>>The SEL is there for us to express our own feelings .If it has upset some 
>>of
>>you so be it . I am certainly not going to fall into line just because my
>>opinion is contrary to yours.I tried not to get personal in my comments 
>>but
>>that sure as hell did not stop some of you becoming quite abusive . As I
>>said we can say what we like so go for it .
>>Peter Ogborne
>
> Hi Peter,
>         Well, you asked for it so I guess I'll express my thoughts (NOT my
> "feelings" because that's what Lilly Livered Commie Pinko Fascists do!)
>         First let me say that I carry 24/7 and will blow away any purt
> that threatens me or any member of my family or my friends.
>         Second let me say that I could care less what the hell you and /or
> your kind thing about our gun laws here in the USA! I'll not comment on 
> the
> stupid ass gun laws you have in OZ and I'll thank you not to comment on 
> the
> laws here in the USA!
>         Third, please note that it was you who started all this with your
> stupid ass ignorant comments about gun laws in the USA. (Please note also
> that I have not called you a stupid ass [even though others may have that
> opinion] but only your ignorant comments! I would not want to get
> "personal" on all this!)
>         Forth, Please have a good day--and I wish you well when some perp
> attacks you, or a member of your family!
>                 Dave
> PS, I think you have already fallen "into line!"


From craigb2 at aol.com  Mon Apr 23 07:41:48 2007
From: craigb2 at aol.com (Craig Buzzell)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:41:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 1920 Economy E 1.5 hp
Message-ID: <0238D2B5-4BDD-45A8-A5E1-856DFEA6668C@aol.com>

Hello list; I just acquired a Hercules Economy 1.5 hp serial # 238958  
at the Tulare California show this last weekend. According to my Glen  
Karch book on Hercules, it would be dated 1921. It  has the Webster  
mag ignitor set up and the oiler is located behind the hopper. The  
remaining paint is scarce but seemed like dark red. Would it have had  
the Economy bow tie decal? I have not worked with low tension  
ignition systems so would appreciate any tips and info on this engine.
Thanks much
Craig Buzzell
Br 27 EDGE&TA
Goleta CA
805-968-3184



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Mon Apr 23 13:03:10 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:03:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 1920 Economy E 1.5 hp
References: <0238D2B5-4BDD-45A8-A5E1-856DFEA6668C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004801c785e2$6c9844d0$48bf123f@D8LJ7K91>

Hi Craig,

That paint color would have been dark red such as the IHC tractor red.  It 
would have used the slanting script Economy decals.  Go to 
herculesengines.com and then to Hercules and Economy engines and work your 
way towards the instructions on the Webster mag system.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Buzzell" <craigb2 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: [SEL] 1920 Economy E 1.5 hp


> Hello list; I just acquired a Hercules Economy 1.5 hp serial # 238958
> at the Tulare California show this last weekend. According to my Glen
> Karch book on Hercules, it would be dated 1921. It  has the Webster
> mag ignitor set up and the oiler is located behind the hopper. The
> remaining paint is scarce but seemed like dark red. Would it have had
> the Economy bow tie decal? I have not worked with low tension
> ignition systems so would appreciate any tips and info on this engine.
> Thanks much
> Craig Buzzell
> Br 27 EDGE&TA
> Goleta CA
> 805-968-3184
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From craigb2 at aol.com  Mon Apr 23 14:56:32 2007
From: craigb2 at aol.com (Craig Buzzell)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:56:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 1920 Economy E 1.5 hp
In-Reply-To: <004801c785e2$6c9844d0$48bf123f@D8LJ7K91>
References: <0238D2B5-4BDD-45A8-A5E1-856DFEA6668C@aol.com>
	<004801c785e2$6c9844d0$48bf123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <647F197F-69BE-474F-8ACD-2684AA7868D4@aol.com>

Glenn: thanks for the website. I got lots of good info.

Craig Buzzell
On Apr 23, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Glenn Karch wrote:

> Hi Craig,
>
> That paint color would have been dark red such as the IHC tractor  
> red.  It
> would have used the slanting script Economy decals.  Go to
> herculesengines.com and then to Hercules and Economy engines and  
> work your
> way towards the instructions on the Webster mag system.
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Buzzell" <craigb2 at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:41 AM
> Subject: [SEL] 1920 Economy E 1.5 hp
>
>
>
>> Hello list; I just acquired a Hercules Economy 1.5 hp serial # 238958
>> at the Tulare California show this last weekend. According to my Glen
>> Karch book on Hercules, it would be dated 1921. It  has the Webster
>> mag ignitor set up and the oiler is located behind the hopper. The
>> remaining paint is scarce but seemed like dark red. Would it have had
>> the Economy bow tie decal? I have not worked with low tension
>> ignition systems so would appreciate any tips and info on this  
>> engine.
>> Thanks much
>> Craig Buzzell
>> Br 27 EDGE&TA
>> Goleta CA
>> 805-968-3184
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Apr 23 17:17:08 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:17:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville
Message-ID: <d6b.4a80c91.335ea684@aol.com>

Anyone headed to the Reidsville, NC show this coming weekend?  


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Mon Apr 23 17:51:43 2007
From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:51:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070423204007.00cd6ba8@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>


>
>         Saturday I ventured to Waynesburg, PA to meet Spencer Yost and 
> help him take his 25 HP Ball Oil Field Engine off the oil well where it 
> had spent it's entire working life. At 7:00 AM I met Spencer and Brice 
> Adams and Steve Sewell for breakfast and by 8:00 we were on our way to 
> the Ball engine site some 20 miles away. Spencer had hired a fellow with 
> an excavator to assist with the job. (What a God-send that was!)
> 
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html 
>or you can go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on 
>"SE List Members Engines" and then on "



Follow up. The Ball engine made the trip to North Carolina this weekend and 
is on the ground by Spencer's shop. We all made a guess on the weight of 
the engine when it was loaded. So I crossed the scale before I left and 
today. Friday I scaled at 20,320lbs , truck - trailer and engine. Today it 
scaled 14,020lbs. So next time someone asks how much a Ball engine weighs 
the correct answer is 6300lbs.

- Steve

PS there was a bet on this but I will not say who won or lost.
PPS Dave we'll collect at Portland. (-;


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Apr 23 19:06:23 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:06:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville
References: <d6b.4a80c91.335ea684@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00b201c78615$29b918a0$20d34c0c@D48VHZ61>

I'm going to try to make Sat. just to look around. Can't stay long as the 
kid has his first baseball game that afternoon.
What are you taking this year?

John Hall


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:17 PM
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville


> Anyone headed to the Reidsville, NC show this coming weekend?
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
> 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Apr 23 18:41:23 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:41:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20070423204007.00cd6ba8@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070423204007.00cd6ba8@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070423203534.04c83e60@mail.alltel.net>


>Follow up. The Ball engine made the trip to North Carolina this weekend 
>and is on the ground by Spencer's shop. We all made a guess on the weight 
>of the engine when it was loaded. So I crossed the scale before I left and 
>today. Friday I scaled at 20,320lbs , truck - trailer and engine. Today it 
>scaled 14,020lbs. So next time someone asks how much a Ball engine weighs 
>the correct answer is 6300lbs.
>- Steve
>PS there was a bet on this but I will not say who won or lost.
>PPS Dave we'll collect at Portland. (-;

Hi Steve, That's about ONE TON more than my estimate! I LOST BIG 
TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave
PS, Spencer your gasket material went out today!
PPS, Spencer, you will need a 10,000 GVW trailer for the Ball. DO NOT 
register it for over 10,000 GVW. If you do A LOT of federal regulations 
kick in!




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Apr 24 03:56:07 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:56:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville
References: <d6b.4a80c91.335ea684@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00af01c7865f$29b56f80$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Mike and Steve Royster, Bill and Jane Bird!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:17 PM
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville


> Anyone headed to the Reidsville, NC show this coming weekend?
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
>
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> http://www.aol.com.
>
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From oldengineman at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 24 07:07:21 2007
From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:07:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville
Message-ID: <BAY127-F2375AE259564820EB1B8C9C44A0@phx.gbl>

Pete Stauffer and Bill Hash (maybe) will be heading down from out of the 
mountains of southern West Virginia.  We expect to get in sometime Thursday 
afternoon.

Pete Stauffer


>From: Germoamer at aol.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Reidsville
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:17:08 EDT
>
>Anyone headed to the Reidsville, NC show this coming weekend?
>
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va.
>Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
>
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>http://www.aol.com.
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From anmlcrkr at insightbb.com  Tue Apr 24 11:51:42 2007
From: anmlcrkr at insightbb.com (L B)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:51:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Australia
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1177430402.8010.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBKEJMGLOFJNBOAOEKCELBDMAA.anmlcrkr@insightbb.com>

What memebers live in Australia?  Email me offlist please.

Larry Brandon
Sterling, IL 61081
anmlcrkr at insightbb.com
 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Apr 24 14:17:46 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:17:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville
Message-ID: <bed.dd0c9ff.335fcdfa@aol.com>

John and others. 
 
Good to see a nice turn out for the Reidsville show.  I will be there around 
8 Saturday morning.  Will have my 6 hp screen Famous on trailer, red Chev 
extended cab truck, and hope to park down in the bottom near where the Roysters 
set up.  
 
Yes, I now have my 6 Famous running again after a few years rest.  Craig 
Prucha had done a great job with the boring/piston/new rings.  I met him at 
Coolsprings a couple of weeks ago to pick up my parts. Millie and I drove up that 
Friday afternoon and spent the night with the Groundhog, and met Craig saturday 
morning.  I need to post some pictures of how I first got it started using the 
7 Economy belted to the Famous.  Kind of like using a Chevy to jump a 
Cadillac!
 
Looking forward to seeing everyone!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Tue Apr 24 17:03:54 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:03:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Australia
In-Reply-To: <NHBBKEJMGLOFJNBOAOEKCELBDMAA.anmlcrkr@insightbb.com>
References: <NHBBKEJMGLOFJNBOAOEKCELBDMAA.anmlcrkr@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <462E9AEA.5060609@steamengine.com.au>

Generally speaking... those with an ".au" at the end of their email 
address (except those weirdos using companies that like to think they're 
global :).

Paul

L B wrote:
> What memebers live in Australia?  Email me offlist please.
>
> Larry Brandon
> Sterling, IL 61081
> anmlcrkr at insightbb.com
>  
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Apr 24 20:54:49 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:54:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally
Message-ID: <20070425035455.CZHY10916.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I had another excellent weekend with the engines last weekend. This time the
rally was in my home town of Cootamundra. There was an impressive line up of
engines, tractors, steam & other displays. Pics at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota071.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Tue Apr 24 21:38:35 2007
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:38:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally
References: <20070425035455.CZHY10916.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <005a01c786f3$97a90580$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6>

Hi Patrick, you had a great roll up, very interesting and you done a great 
job of the photography as usual. Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally


>I had another excellent weekend with the engines last weekend. This time 
>the
> rally was in my home town of Cootamundra. There was an impressive line up 
> of
> engines, tractors, steam & other displays. Pics at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota071.html
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Apr 24 21:46:26 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:46:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally
Message-ID: <20070424.214626.1408.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Nice pictures as usual Patrick.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:54:49 +1000 "Patrick M Livingstone"
<pml1 at bigpond.net.au> writes:
> I had another excellent weekend with the engines last weekend. This 
> time the
> rally was in my home town of Cootamundra. There was an impressive 
> line up of
> engines, tractors, steam & other displays. Pics at:
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota071.html
> 
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Apr 24 23:24:51 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:24:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally
References: <20070425035455.CZHY10916.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <001b01c78702$6eea9460$8f741fd3@Edd>

Great as usual mate.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally


>I had another excellent weekend with the engines last weekend. This time 
>the
> rally was in my home town of Cootamundra. There was an impressive line up 
> of
> engines, tractors, steam & other displays. Pics at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota071.html
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Wed Apr 25 00:12:57 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:12:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
Message-ID: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>

I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of 
engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and 
becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or 
so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any 
shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The 
engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of 
person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines 
- a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is 
these two email lists.

My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines.

Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get 
rid of most of them?

ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers :)

Paul


From lyle45859 at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr 25 00:31:05 2007
From: lyle45859 at roadrunner.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 03:31:05 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
References: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <462F03B8.000001.03316@CATS-D22786ABFC>

Paul
Right now your boys are young and have other interest in their life's. Maybe
they will never have an interest but who knows if the engines survive maybe
their children may have an interest. Maybe being involved with the Boy
Scouts you could take one engine and make a pack project out of it and maybe
some of the scouts may have interest in them. If nothing else try to find
the best way to find time to at least to protect the engines from being
ruined any farther, if it is no more than filling them with oil so they do
not rust inside. I would try to find some way to keep the engines as one
never knows who may show some interest in them and you could share your
knowledge and time helping someone new to the engine world.
Lyle Myles
NW Ohio
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Paul Pavlinovich 
Date: 04/25/07 03:16:48 
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list 
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not? 
 
I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of 
Engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and 
Becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or 
So. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any 
Shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The 
Engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of 
Person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines 
- a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is 
These two email lists. 
 
My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines. 
 
Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get 
Rid of most of them? 
 
PS. Don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers :) 
 
Paul 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr 25 03:56:51 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:56:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
Message-ID: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I 
have a few questions:

1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft or 
down tube shaft.

2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging 
vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.

 See photos attached at:
http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm

3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the cutters.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Apr 25 05:23:01 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:23:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEINFKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

If you're sure you no longer have an interest in them and that your interest won't return, you could sell most of them and keep two, one for each boy.

Or you could hoard them.  After all, they ARE yours and you can do anything you want with them.  The shame would be if, after you go to that great junkyard in the sky, they are scrapped.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul
> Pavlinovich
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 02:13 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL 
> email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my 
> engines or not?
> 
> 
> I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've 
> collected a number of 
> engines. Since returning to involvement with my 
> local steam railway and 
> becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in 
> the last three years or 
> so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not 
> had time to go to any 
> shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a 
> show this year). The 
> engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've 
> become the kind of 
> person I was disappointed to meet when I was 
> trying to acquire machines 
> - a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. 
> The nearest I get is 
> these two email lists.
> 
> My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any 
> interest in the engines.
> 
> Should I keep them and give them to the boys when 
> they're older or get 
> rid of most of them?
> 
> ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring 
> any self-interest answers :)
> 
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Apr 25 04:32:18 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:32:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
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I'm with Lyle,

Your interests could again change, their interests could change, etc.
When they are gone, they are gone and the work you did to acquire them,
and the work you did to get them running and protected would be gone,
you'd have to start over.
If nothing else, they are an investment for when you REALLY need to get
rid of them and get some cash.

For now, I'd not rush into anything, I'd keep them if you can and have the
means.

Like I tell my wife - when I'm gone, she can do whatever and will have a
little spending/fun money..............

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4 coming soon
http://theamcpages.com

> Paul
> Right now your boys are young and have other interest in their life's.
> Maybe
> they will never have an interest but who knows if the engines survive
> maybe
> their children may have an interest. Maybe being involved with the Boy
> Scouts you could take one engine and make a pack project out of it and
> maybe
> some of the scouts may have interest in them. If nothing else try to find
> the best way to find time to at least to protect the engines from being
> ruined any farther, if it is no more than filling them with oil so they do
> not rust inside. I would try to find some way to keep the engines as one
> never knows who may show some interest in them and you could share your
> knowledge and time helping someone new to the engine world.
> Lyle Myles
> NW Ohio
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Paul Pavlinovich
> Date: 04/25/07 03:16:48
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
>
> I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of
> Engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and
> Becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or
> So. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any
> Shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The
> Engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of
> Person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines
> - a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is
> These two email lists.
>
> My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines.
>
> Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get
> Rid of most of them?
>
> PS. Don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers
> :)
>
> Paul
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Apr 25 04:36:09 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:36:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEINFKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
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Message-ID: <2268.165.206.180.53.1177500969.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Side thought - and this is done with a couple fellows who have dozens if
not hundreds of engines (George Archer had over 220 engines in several
basements for a time)
These fellows are/were old and couldn't handle taking engines around - so
they had friends show their engines for them.
Sort of loaned them. Their friends cared for them, etc. as if they were
their own and it seemed to work fine.
George could only haul a couple at a time anyway and as he got older and
he got more into the BIG stationary iron, he had less time for the more
portable iron. A couple close friends of his help him show things from
time to time. Amazing how many folks would jump to show a Flour City
engine.
You might think of finding some young person who DOES have an interest and
get them going, and let them show your engines once in a while.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4 coming soon
http://theamcpages.com

> Paul:
>
> If you're sure you no longer have an interest in them and that your
> interest won't return, you could sell most of them and keep two, one for
> each boy.
>
> Or you could hoard them.  After all, they ARE yours and you can do
> anything you want with them.  The shame would be if, after you go to that
> great junkyard in the sky, they are scrapped.
>
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Paul
>> Pavlinovich
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 02:13 AM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL
>> email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my
>> engines or not?
>>
>>
>> I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've
>> collected a number of
>> engines. Since returning to involvement with my
>> local steam railway and
>> becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in
>> the last three years or
>> so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not
>> had time to go to any
>> shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a
>> show this year). The
>> engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've
>> become the kind of
>> person I was disappointed to meet when I was
>> trying to acquire machines
>> - a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery.
>> The nearest I get is
>> these two email lists.
>>
>> My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any
>> interest in the engines.
>>
>> Should I keep them and give them to the boys when
>> they're older or get
>> rid of most of them?
>>
>> ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring
>> any self-interest answers :)
>>
>> Paul
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Apr 25 08:18:08 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:18:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <200704251518.l3PFII5C027985@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
[mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Paul
Pavlinovich
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:13 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list
Subject: What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?

I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of 
engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and 
becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or 
so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any 
shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The 
engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of 
person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines 
- a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is 
these two email lists.

My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines.

Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get 
rid of most of them?

ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers :)

Paul

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Paul -- 

I found myself in much the same situation.  My engines don't owe me
anything, but they were crowding me out of my garage; so, I went halfway and
sold the biggest ones.  (Mounted on its cart, one of them took the space of
a small car.) I'm too sentimentally attached to some of my toys to part with
them.  Every now and then I'll roll them out and put on a mini-show for just
the wife and myself.  

The day might come in which your boys become interested.  Nostalgia won't
set in until middle age; at that point they'll remember dear ol' dad and his
engines and wish they had one or two in order to keep their father's memory
alive. 

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 25 10:05:43 2007
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:05:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY139-F2608497873BBABD3445B49B4490@phx.gbl>

I wouldnt get too excited about selling them yet.  My boys are 14 and 16 and 
are just getting an interest in the engines.  They both have  enjoyed 
attending shows and help operating engines but just now are getting into the 
understanding and learning how they work.  When they ask about why the mini 
bike has no spark or runs bad I start with the basics.  It is much easier to 
see how the four cycles happen on an open crank exposed pushrod engine than 
a shrouded modern engine.  Or how an ignition system makes a spark if they 
can see all the parts exposed.  I also use my Regimota New Holland model at 
my day job.  Gets good discussions going and who knows - it may lead to some 
leads on finding some new stuff someday.

I dont know if the merit badge system is the same down under but you can 
become a merit badge counselor for the scouts.  Auto mechanics, Farm 
mechanics and Blacksmithing(Metalwork)are some that I do and engines can 
become props for explaining them too.  All the diagrams and drawings in the 
book wont grab attention like a running engine. (for boys of any age)

Ed Herreid
Trevor Wisconsin



----Original Message Follows----
From: Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org,        The SEL email discussion list 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:12:57 +1000

I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of
engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and
becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or
so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any
shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The
engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of
person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines
- a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is
these two email lists.

My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines.

Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get
rid of most of them?

ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers :)

Paul
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From b2 at chooka.net  Wed Apr 25 11:51:40 2007
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:51:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
In-Reply-To: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <010501c7876a$c2cd5c30$700a0a0a@apluscomputer.local>

Peter, I was hoping to see something more definitive come out of the list
for you, but in the absence of that I'll take a stab at it.  

For speed I'd guess about 500-1000 rpm; that may be off, so be careful.  I
expect the speed has a range that's OK, I know my Dad talked of running his
earlier setup off a hit-miss John Deere and he installed a brake drum to use
as a pulley to get the speed up.  Of course, I have no reference as to what
the other pulley was...  By the time I was hanging around and even doing a
little shearing it had long been converted to electric.  My mind's eye
pictures a motor, probably running at 1800, and about a quarter to a half
speed reduction with the V belt pulleys.

The down shaft was attached to about a 16-inch shaft to which we attached
the handpiece.  I'd say if you placed the handpiece on the ground, the
16-inch shaft was at about 45 degrees.

The grinding disks seemed to run pretty aggressively, maybe 1800 rpm.  The
surface Dad liked the best was one where he cleaned off the disks, applied
adhesive, and sprinkled the fine and coarse grit upon them.  He also bought
grit disks that he pasted to the aluminum disks but he felt he got a better
job with the ones he prepared himself.

Hope I'm not giving you a bum steer here.  This is from memory approaching
50 years ago for me.

There were competing schools of how best to shear a sheep.  The one that the
pro's in my area subscribed to was referred to as the Australian method.  In
fact, that's the only sequence I can remember watching and certainly the
only one I ever attempted.  I never sheared enough to get very good at it.
Most of my time was catching and bagging.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:57 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please

Hi all

For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I
have a few questions:

1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft or
down tube shaft.

2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging
vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.

 See photos attached at:
http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm

3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the cutters.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm

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From mholland at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr 25 12:18:19 2007
From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:18:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-F2608497873BBABD3445B49B4490@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY139-F2608497873BBABD3445B49B4490@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <2527.65.146.155.210.1177528699.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Paul, Ed has a good idea about using the engines for explaining how an
engine works to the scouts.  I have a 1945 BSA Farm Mechanics merit badge
book and on page 7 is a cross-section of a gasoline engine.  It is most
likely a 1 1/2 E John Deere as the following pictures are of a John Deere
tractor.  Devin (now 14 y/o) does like the engines and has one other scout
from his troop interested.  The boys have done their service hours at our
show grounds.

Missy Holland
Gastonia, NC


> I dont know if the merit badge system is the same down under but you can
> become a merit badge counselor for the scouts.  Auto mechanics, Farm
> mechanics and Blacksmithing(Metalwork)are some that I do and engines can
> become props for explaining them too.  All the diagrams and drawings in
> the
> book wont grab attention like a running engine. (for boys of any age)
>
> Ed Herreid
> Trevor Wisconsin
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org,        The SEL email discussion list
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:12:57 +1000
>
> I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of
> engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and
> becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or
> so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any
> shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The
> engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of
> person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines
> - a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is
> these two email lists.
>
> My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines.
>
> Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get
> rid of most of them?
>
> ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers
> :)
>
> Paul
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr 25 15:34:03 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:34:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech>
	<010501c7876a$c2cd5c30$700a0a0a@apluscomputer.local>
Message-ID: <000d01c78789$d3f53400$0601a8c0@altech>

Thanks Bill, you input is noted and appreciated mate.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm




Peter, I was hoping to see something more definitive come out of the list
for you, but in the absence of that I'll take a stab at it.

For speed I'd guess about 500-1000 rpm; that may be off, so be careful.  I
expect the speed has a range that's OK, I know my Dad talked of running his
earlier setup off a hit-miss John Deere and he installed a brake drum to use
as a pulley to get the speed up.  Of course, I have no reference as to what
the other pulley was...  By the time I was hanging around and even doing a
little shearing it had long been converted to electric.  My mind's eye
pictures a motor, probably running at 1800, and about a quarter to a half
speed reduction with the V belt pulleys.

The down shaft was attached to about a 16-inch shaft to which we attached
the handpiece.  I'd say if you placed the handpiece on the ground, the
16-inch shaft was at about 45 degrees.

The grinding disks seemed to run pretty aggressively, maybe 1800 rpm.  The
surface Dad liked the best was one where he cleaned off the disks, applied
adhesive, and sprinkled the fine and coarse grit upon them.  He also bought
grit disks that he pasted to the aluminum disks but he felt he got a better
job with the ones he prepared himself.

Hope I'm not giving you a bum steer here.  This is from memory approaching
50 years ago for me.

There were competing schools of how best to shear a sheep.  The one that the
pro's in my area subscribed to was referred to as the Australian method.  In
fact, that's the only sequence I can remember watching and certainly the
only one I ever attempted.  I never sheared enough to get very good at it.
Most of my time was catching and bagging.

B?

Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:57 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please

Hi all

For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I
have a few questions:

1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft or
down tube shaft.

2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging
vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.

 See photos attached at:
http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm

3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the cutters.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Apr 25 16:42:21 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:42:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
Message-ID: <20070425.195024.960.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Pete,

I'm no expert and can't answer the questions but I don't think the
clippers rest on the ground. 
I believe they are hung on something.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " Traders, Moneylenders and Pimps 
  (_o_)                   are playing their trade in the temple."


From b2 at chooka.net  Wed Apr 25 17:06:31 2007
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:06:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
In-Reply-To: <000d01c78789$d3f53400$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech><010501c7876a$c2cd5c30$700a0a0a@apluscomputer.local>
	<000d01c78789$d3f53400$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <003801c78796$c0d7f0d0$640aa8c0@apluscomputer.local>

BTW, the movie Thorn Birds has a very good scene of shearing in Australia.
There was good detail of the setup, including a nice I/C engine running the
equipment.  The shearing was of the "Australian method" that I knew.

B? 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:34 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please

Thanks Bill, you input is noted and appreciated mate.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm




Peter, I was hoping to see something more definitive come out of the list
for you, but in the absence of that I'll take a stab at it.

For speed I'd guess about 500-1000 rpm; that may be off, so be careful.  I
expect the speed has a range that's OK, I know my Dad talked of running his
earlier setup off a hit-miss John Deere and he installed a brake drum to use
as a pulley to get the speed up.  Of course, I have no reference as to what
the other pulley was...  By the time I was hanging around and even doing a
little shearing it had long been converted to electric.  My mind's eye
pictures a motor, probably running at 1800, and about a quarter to a half
speed reduction with the V belt pulleys.

The down shaft was attached to about a 16-inch shaft to which we attached
the handpiece.  I'd say if you placed the handpiece on the ground, the
16-inch shaft was at about 45 degrees.

The grinding disks seemed to run pretty aggressively, maybe 1800 rpm.  The
surface Dad liked the best was one where he cleaned off the disks, applied
adhesive, and sprinkled the fine and coarse grit upon them.  He also bought
grit disks that he pasted to the aluminum disks but he felt he got a better
job with the ones he prepared himself.

Hope I'm not giving you a bum steer here.  This is from memory approaching
50 years ago for me.

There were competing schools of how best to shear a sheep.  The one that the
pro's in my area subscribed to was referred to as the Australian method.  In
fact, that's the only sequence I can remember watching and certainly the
only one I ever attempted.  I never sheared enough to get very good at it.
Most of my time was catching and bagging.

B?

Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:57 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please

Hi all

For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I
have a few questions:

1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft or
down tube shaft.

2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging
vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.

 See photos attached at:
http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm

3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the cutters.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Wed Apr 25 18:28:25 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:28:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
References: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <004101c787a2$30ec4230$e7e84c0c@D48VHZ61>

I'd just keep them as long as they are kept out of the rain. They might get 
dirty in storage but shouldn't really deteriorate. Maybe make it a point to 
once a month or so to crank one of them. If after a few years you have no 
intrest in them then have an auction.

John Hall
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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?


>I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of
> engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and
> becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or
> so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any
> shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The
> engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of
> person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines
> - a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is
> these two email lists.
>
> My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines.
>
> Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get
> rid of most of them?
>
> ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers 
> :)
>
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 25 18:57:58 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:57:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech><010501c7876a$c2cd5c30$700a0a0a@apluscomputer.local>
	<000d01c78789$d3f53400$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <002801c787a6$511b8f30$8f741fd3@Edd>

Hi Peter.Here is the mechanical information from the Cooper Sunbeam book.
Line shaft :650 rpm
handpiece :3.300 rpm
grinder : 2.400 to 2.800
Hope this helps.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
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From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please


> Thanks Bill, you input is noted and appreciated mate.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
>
>
>
> Peter, I was hoping to see something more definitive come out of the list
> for you, but in the absence of that I'll take a stab at it.
>
> For speed I'd guess about 500-1000 rpm; that may be off, so be careful.  I
> expect the speed has a range that's OK, I know my Dad talked of running 
> his
> earlier setup off a hit-miss John Deere and he installed a brake drum to 
> use
> as a pulley to get the speed up.  Of course, I have no reference as to 
> what
> the other pulley was...  By the time I was hanging around and even doing a
> little shearing it had long been converted to electric.  My mind's eye
> pictures a motor, probably running at 1800, and about a quarter to a half
> speed reduction with the V belt pulleys.
>
> The down shaft was attached to about a 16-inch shaft to which we attached
> the handpiece.  I'd say if you placed the handpiece on the ground, the
> 16-inch shaft was at about 45 degrees.
>
> The grinding disks seemed to run pretty aggressively, maybe 1800 rpm.  The
> surface Dad liked the best was one where he cleaned off the disks, applied
> adhesive, and sprinkled the fine and coarse grit upon them.  He also 
> bought
> grit disks that he pasted to the aluminum disks but he felt he got a 
> better
> job with the ones he prepared himself.
>
> Hope I'm not giving you a bum steer here.  This is from memory approaching
> 50 years ago for me.
>
> There were competing schools of how best to shear a sheep.  The one that 
> the
> pro's in my area subscribed to was referred to as the Australian method. 
> In
> fact, that's the only sequence I can remember watching and certainly the
> only one I ever attempted.  I never sheared enough to get very good at it.
> Most of my time was catching and bagging.
>
> B?
>
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
>
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:57 AM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
>
> Hi all
>
> For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I
> have a few questions:
>
> 1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft 
> or
> down tube shaft.
>
> 2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging
> vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.
>
> See photos attached at:
> http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm
>
> 3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the 
> cutters.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Wed Apr 25 21:24:56 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:24:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
References: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <043BA9D3FB2B42B6B7191B8EB4235D66@billPC>

Paul,,
back in the 1980's i picked up, restored and showed  3 or 4 engines,, showed 
them for about 4 years,,, then got busy with other things, and seemed to 
have less time for the engines, however, i didnt sell them, just pushed them 
to the back of  one of the barns,,,,, my son was born in 1986, and when he 
was  about 14, i came in one day and he had dragged one of them up to the 
shop,,,,,,,,,he got it cleaned up a  little, and after a day or 2 had it 
running again,,,,,,,,well, that got me interested again, mainly because it 
was something we could do together,,,,,,over the following years, we';ve 
added quiet a number to that original 3 or 4,,, hes now 21 and has a much 
nicer collection than i do,,,, we've been to 3 shows just this month of 
april and his interest in them is still growing,,,,,
so, keep those engines,,, give those boys a little longer, take them to some 
more shows, and if they develop an interest  they will have a good starting 
place for a nice collection,,,,,,
theres nothing to loose, as the iron just increases in value each year, and 
so much to gain if the boys get interested and it turns into a nice family 
hobby,,,,,,,,,
just my thoughts,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

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<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not? 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr 25 23:45:37 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:45:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech><010501c7876a$c2cd5c30$700a0a0a@apluscomputer.local><000d01c78789$d3f53400$0601a8c0@altech>
	<002801c787a6$511b8f30$8f741fd3@Edd>
Message-ID: <001a01c787ce$7f6cfbd0$0601a8c0@altech>

Thanks Ed, good work mate.

Peter, Oz





Hi Peter.Here is the mechanical information from the Cooper Sunbeam book.
Line shaft :650 rpm
handpiece :3.300 rpm
grinder : 2.400 to 2.800
Hope this helps.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please


> Thanks Bill, you input is noted and appreciated mate.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
>
>
>
> Peter, I was hoping to see something more definitive come out of the list
> for you, but in the absence of that I'll take a stab at it.
>
> For speed I'd guess about 500-1000 rpm; that may be off, so be careful.  I
> expect the speed has a range that's OK, I know my Dad talked of running
> his
> earlier setup off a hit-miss John Deere and he installed a brake drum to
> use
> as a pulley to get the speed up.  Of course, I have no reference as to
> what
> the other pulley was...  By the time I was hanging around and even doing a
> little shearing it had long been converted to electric.  My mind's eye
> pictures a motor, probably running at 1800, and about a quarter to a half
> speed reduction with the V belt pulleys.
>
> The down shaft was attached to about a 16-inch shaft to which we attached
> the handpiece.  I'd say if you placed the handpiece on the ground, the
> 16-inch shaft was at about 45 degrees.
>
> The grinding disks seemed to run pretty aggressively, maybe 1800 rpm.  The
> surface Dad liked the best was one where he cleaned off the disks, applied
> adhesive, and sprinkled the fine and coarse grit upon them.  He also
> bought
> grit disks that he pasted to the aluminum disks but he felt he got a
> better
> job with the ones he prepared himself.
>
> Hope I'm not giving you a bum steer here.  This is from memory approaching
> 50 years ago for me.
>
> There were competing schools of how best to shear a sheep.  The one that
> the
> pro's in my area subscribed to was referred to as the Australian method.
> In
> fact, that's the only sequence I can remember watching and certainly the
> only one I ever attempted.  I never sheared enough to get very good at it.
> Most of my time was catching and bagging.
>
> B?
>
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
>
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:57 AM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
>
> Hi all
>
> For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I
> have a few questions:
>
> 1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft
> or
> down tube shaft.
>
> 2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging
> vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.
>
> See photos attached at:
> http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm
>
> 3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the
> cutters.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Thu Apr 26 02:08:33 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:08:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
In-Reply-To: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <46306C11.5020803@steamengine.com.au>

Hi Peter, when I had my set running I ran the engine at 600rpm - not for 
any good reason, it was just the speed it was set to when I got it :).

My clippers would lie almost flat on the ground when the tube was 
vertical. Definitely with the moving teeth clear of the dirt.

Regards
Paul

Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi all
>
> For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I 
> have a few questions:
>
> 1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft or 
> down tube shaft.
>
> 2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging 
> vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.
>
>  See photos attached at:
> http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm
>
> 3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the cutters.
>
>   



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Apr 26 12:21:04 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:21:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
Message-ID: <20070426.122105.1080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  What is the correct point gap for a FM J1AZ mag on a Z style D? 
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Apr 26 18:51:09 2007
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:51:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
Message-ID: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>

Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it should 
run.

Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;

Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these 
questions:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html

How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar 
to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder 
and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot 
tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark plug 
on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some 
time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is at 
least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled 
by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.

I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing the 
engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
Will I need an accumulator?
Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at 
Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the 
bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the 
connecting rod too.
Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks 
use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close 
enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air (I 
have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, I 
will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;

So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:    
I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to continue 
raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on 
locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that 
runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log 
trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading 
stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big 
oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good 
shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the 
"rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was 
shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be 
carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as 
much of the original finish as possible.

Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!

Spencer


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Apr 26 19:32:23 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:32:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <20070427023244.ERNX13245.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

When I finished school I had over 70 engines. At the time my father
suggested that I just pick the ones I most wanted to keep and sell the rest
as it would be some time before I returned to the hobby. The remaining few
good engines were put in storage while I went to Uni and then started work.
The engines were put in storage at the end of 1987 and it was not until 1999
that any were pulled out again. If stored properly they deteriorate very
little.
Your boys may discover the hobby later & you will more than likely find the
time to play with the engines again in a few years. I would suggest keeping
the ones that mean the most to you & storing them properly and getting rid
of the excess.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/





From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Apr 26 20:44:22 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:44:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
In-Reply-To: <20070426.122105.1080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070426.122105.1080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070426234252.035521b0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Ron,
When in doubt set to 20ths thats about the standard used by most all. I'd 
be suprised if that isn't the right setting.


At 03:21 PM 4/26/07, you wrote:
>Hi all.  What is the correct point gap for a FM J1AZ mag on a Z style D?
>Thanks.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
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Parts lists available on request.

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possible.
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them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Apr 26 22:07:30 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:07:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
Message-ID: <20070426.220730.2140.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Thanks Mark.  That sounds about right.  I was confused when the
instruction book in the magneto section called for setting the spark plug
points at .035 -.040.  I wasn't sure they meant the plug.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:44:22 -0400 Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> writes:
> Hi Ron,
> When in doubt set to 20ths thats about the standard used by most 
> all. I'd 
> be suprised if that isn't the right setting.
> 
> 
> At 03:21 PM 4/26/07, you wrote:
> >Hi all.  What is the correct point gap for a FM J1AZ mag on a Z 
> style D?
> >Thanks.
>


From bethell1 at iinet.net.au  Thu Apr 26 23:35:47 2007
From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (Jim Bethell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:05:47 +0930
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <007301c78896$4b65e770$dc0c54d2@MANNO2>

Peter,
RA Lister manual states handpiece, 3300 RPM, Grinder, 2600 RPM> All 
different makers plant should run at the same speed as handpieces are 
interchangable, even today.
The common practice is to place your handpiece on its side on the ground 
when attached to the downtube, the short tube should be at a slight angle 
when handpiece attached ( up to approx 120 deg).
regards
Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please


> Hi all
>
> For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I
> have a few questions:
>
> 1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft 
> or
> down tube shaft.
>
> 2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging
> vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.
>
> See photos attached at:
> http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm
>
> 3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the 
> cutters.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Apr 27 04:59:02 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:59:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
In-Reply-To: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOELMFKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Spencer:

Some guys have all the luck!  I'd give my eye teeth to have an engine like that and a place to store it.

Having said that, I will admit that I'm about as ignorant about the Ball as you.  Take heart though - you'll learn all you need to know to get it running.

Good luck and take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Spencer
> Yost
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 08:51 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do 
> I do with it?
> 
> 
> Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on 
> the ground, and it should 
> run.
> 
> Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Apr 27 04:06:51 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:06:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
References: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
Message-ID: <003801c788bc$28620490$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Spencer

Take one step at a time, we only wish we had the range of oil field engines 
you guys in the US have, so we are green with envy.

You know by now that you have many GOOD friends on both LISTS, use them 
individually and collectively to ask as many question as you wish.
Document all the acquired info into a folder about the Ball.
Check each individual sections of the engine and the engine as a whole, do 
not be in a hurry to get a fire in the hole until your sure everything is 
right.
Have a starting party with all your good friends and use that collective 
experience to make it work safely first time.

Just my $0.02 worth from Down Under.

Peter, Oz





> Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it should
> run.
>
> Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;
>
> Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these
> questions:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html
>
> How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar
> to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder
> and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot
> tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark plug
> on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some
> time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is at
> least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled
> by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.
>
> I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing the
> engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
> Will I need an accumulator?
> Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
> I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at
> Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the
> bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the
> connecting rod too.
> Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
> How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks
> use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close
> enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air (I
> have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, I
> will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;
>
> So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:
> I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to continue
> raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on
> locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that
> runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log
> trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading
> stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big
> oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good
> shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the
> "rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was
> shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be
> carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as
> much of the original finish as possible.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!
>
> Spencer
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Apr 27 07:38:41 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:38:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
In-Reply-To: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
References: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070427093422.04ec15e0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Spencer,
         Let's take this One step at a time. First, how much compression do 
you have? Try to pull it through and see if you can. If it's pretty easy, 
but you can tell that there is a bit of compression, then oil the hell out 
of the rings and try it again. Let us know what happens in this first step.
         Dave

At 08:51 PM 4/26/2007, Spencer Yost wrote:
>Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it should
>run.
>
>Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;
>
>Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these
>questions:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html
>
>How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar
>to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder
>and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot
>tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark plug
>on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some
>time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is at
>least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled
>by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.
>
>I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing the
>engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
>Will I need an accumulator?
>Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
>I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at
>Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the
>bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the
>connecting rod too.
>Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
>How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks
>use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close
>enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air (I
>have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, I
>will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;
>
>So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:
>I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to continue
>raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on
>locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that
>runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log
>trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading
>stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big
>oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good
>shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the
>"rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was
>shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be
>carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as
>much of the original finish as possible.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!
>
>Spencer
>_______________________________________________
>OFES mailing list
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr 27 06:41:55 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:41:55 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Famous
Message-ID: <d24.ce165da.336357a3@aol.com>

I finally got my 1914, all original, off the farm,  6 Hp Famous running after 
sitting and being repaired for a number of years.  Craig Prucha bored the 
cylinder, built up the piston and new rings.  Picture of how I got it started the 
first time.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/famous%20belted.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/famous%20belted.jpg) 
 
I had the 7hp Economy already on the trailer taking to shows.  The belt I had 
just was the right length.  Backed the trailer up to the Famous wheels, let 
the Economy back on the trailer some and winched the Economy/belt tight.  Fired 
up the Economy and engaged the clutch pulley on the Famous and it fired right 
up! After the first running it had enough compression to start by hand.  It 
is now loaded on the trailer and headed to Reidsville, NC for the show 
tomorrow.  It is a great engine!
 (http://www.internet-soft.com/doc/responce.jpg)  
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Apr 27 07:14:21 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:14:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Famous
References: <d24.ce165da.336357a3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV11F77E0A759710BA9C10F1BB4F0@phx.gbl>

Now that's playin' from the ears up Tom...thanks for the pix..will forward 
this to friend Corky as he has two Famoosses.

RickinMt.




> I finally got my 1914, all original, off the farm,  6 Hp Famous running 
> after
> sitting and being repaired for a number of years.  Craig Prucha bored the
> cylinder, built up the piston and new rings.  Picture of how I got it 
> started the
> first time.
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/famous%20belted.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/famous%20belted.jpg)
>
> I had the 7hp Economy already on the trailer taking to shows.  The belt I 
> had
> just was the right length.  Backed the trailer up to the Famous wheels, 
> let
> the Economy back on the trailer some and winched the Economy/belt tight. 
> Fired
> up the Economy and engaged the clutch pulley on the Famous and it fired 
> right
> up! After the first running it had enough compression to start by hand. 
> It
> is now loaded on the trailer and headed to Reidsville, NC for the show
> tomorrow.  It is a great engine!
>  (http://www.internet-soft.com/doc/responce.jpg)
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Apr 27 08:23:05 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:23:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070427093422.04ec15e0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070427093422.04ec15e0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <46321559.1070109@imc-group.com>

Spencer,
You need to meet Dallas Cox and his buddy Brose Easterly (sp?). They are 
in the High Point area. Dallas used to be on the SEL.
They have several OF engines and can lend you a hand.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Hi Spencer,
>          Let's take this One step at a time. First, how much compression do 
> you have? Try to pull it through and see if you can. If it's pretty easy, 
> but you can tell that there is a bit of compression, then oil the hell out 
> of the rings and try it again. Let us know what happens in this first step.
>          Dave
>
> At 08:51 PM 4/26/2007, Spencer Yost wrote:
>   
>> Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it should
>> run.
>>
>> Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;
>>
>> Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these
>> questions:
>>
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html
>>
>> How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar
>> to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder
>> and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot
>> tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark plug
>> on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some
>> time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is at
>> least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled
>> by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.
>>
>> I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing the
>> engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
>> Will I need an accumulator?
>> Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
>> I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at
>> Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the
>> bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the
>> connecting rod too.
>> Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
>> How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks
>> use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close
>> enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air (I
>> have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, I
>> will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;
>>
>> So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:
>> I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to continue
>> raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on
>> locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that
>> runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log
>> trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading
>> stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big
>> oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good
>> shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the
>> "rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was
>> shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be
>> carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as
>> much of the original finish as possible.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!
>>
>> Spencer
>> _______________________________________________
>> OFES mailing list
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> OFES mailing list
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes
>
>
>   



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Apr 27 11:02:43 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:02:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with  it?
In-Reply-To: <46321559.1070109@imc-group.com>
References: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070427093422.04ec15e0@mail.alltel.net>
	<46321559.1070109@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070427130204.04f2d788@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Spencer, Dallas should still be at: "Dallas Cox" <dcox at triad.rr.com>
         Dave

At 10:23 AM 4/27/2007, Curt wrote:
>Spencer,
>You need to meet Dallas Cox and his buddy Brose Easterly (sp?). They are
>in the High Point area. Dallas used to be on the SEL.
>They have several OF engines and can lend you a hand.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>Dave Rotigel wrote:
> > Hi Spencer,
> >          Let's take this One step at a time. First, how much 
> compression do
> > you have? Try to pull it through and see if you can. If it's pretty easy,
> > but you can tell that there is a bit of compression, then oil the hell out
> > of the rings and try it again. Let us know what happens in this first step.
> >          Dave
> >
> > At 08:51 PM 4/26/2007, Spencer Yost wrote:
> >
> >> Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it should
> >> run.
> >>
> >> Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;
> >>
> >> Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these
> >> questions:
> >>
> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html
> >>
> >> How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar
> >> to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder
> >> and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot
> >> tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark plug
> >> on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some
> >> time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is at
> >> least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled
> >> by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.
> >>
> >> I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing the
> >> engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
> >> Will I need an accumulator?
> >> Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
> >> I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at
> >> Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the
> >> bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the
> >> connecting rod too.
> >> Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
> >> How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks
> >> use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close
> >> enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air (I
> >> have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, I
> >> will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;
> >>
> >> So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:
> >> I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to continue
> >> raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on
> >> locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that
> >> runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log
> >> trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading
> >> stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big
> >> oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good
> >> shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the
> >> "rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was
> >> shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be
> >> carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as
> >> much of the original finish as possible.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!
> >>
> >> Spencer
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OFES mailing list
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OFES mailing list
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes
> >
> >
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr 27 10:22:17 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:22:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> Hot Air Engine Meet - Tulare - Video
Message-ID: <6E995606-C985-4216-A198-C82DB85B68D3@rustyiron.com>

Last weekend was the Third Southwest Regional Hot Air Engine Meet,  
held in conjunction with the Antique Farm Show in Tulare, California.

The Hot Air Meet was more successful than we could have imagined.  On  
hand were every size Rider ever made, every size Ericsson ever made,  
super-rare one-of-a-kind engines, magnificent models, and collectors  
from across North America and Europe.

We hired a professional video producer to document this historic  
event.  He's done several other engine shows, specifically the  
California Gold invitational shows, and the quality has been  
outstanding.  The DVD's are now in production and will be ready by  
the end of May.  If you would like to order one, please visit:

http://www.rustyiron.com/hotairshow


If you order now, you'll be guaranteed a copy.  After the original  
production run, we may not make any more.  These videos will never be  
available elsewhere, so if you want one, now is the time to get it.   
DVD's will also be in PAL format for those of you in the UK and  
Australia.

Disclaimer:  Yes, I have a financial interest in this.  It's unlikely  
we'll recover the cost of production, but financial gain wasn't our  
goal in making the video.

If you have questions about the video, please contact me off list.

If you want to talk about hot air engines, the show, or Tulare in  
general, let's do it on list.

Rob









From oiseming at moscow.com  Fri Apr 27 13:26:29 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:26:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> Hot Air Engine Meet - Tulare - Video
In-Reply-To: <6E995606-C985-4216-A198-C82DB85B68D3@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <200704272026.l3RKQXEp027766@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:22 AM
To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> Hot Air Engine Meet - Tulare - Video

Last weekend was the Third Southwest Regional Hot Air Engine Meet,  
held in conjunction with the Antique Farm Show in Tulare, California.


Snip

If you want to talk about hot air engines, the show, or Tulare in  
general, let's do it on list.

Rob

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thank you, Rob, for your role in putting on the show and recording it for
those of us who could not attend.  We intended to be there, but illness
struck about the time we were due to hit the road for Tulare. 

How did this show compare, size-wise, to the first one held at Cottonwood?

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   






From roachmann at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 13:46:34 2007
From: roachmann at gmail.com (samuel gooding)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:46:34 +1200
Subject: [SEL] shearing plant questions/answers please
Message-ID: <aaee84ae0704271346k1f170ac3i329a998be9f42844@mail.gmail.com>

The engine you have there is a Wolseley style 4, it should run at about 650
rpm at the flywheels. They run real nice, with a distinctive sound coming
from the sucking of the inlet manifold. I have no idea about the plant
itself sorry. Oh, one more thing, be careful if you remove the head, the
head studs are often made of very poor quality steel, I know someone that
sheared half of them off removing them! good luck!



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Apr 27 15:04:10 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:04:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
References: <4631570D.20905@atis.net><6.1.2.0.0.20070427093422.04ec15e0@mail.alltel.net>
	<46321559.1070109@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <028701c7891b$fed5df60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

What Happened to Dallas?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "Oil Field Engine Society mailing list" 
<ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "SEL (Oldengine.org)" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?


> Spencer,
> You need to meet Dallas Cox and his buddy Brose Easterly (sp?). They are
> in the High Point area. Dallas used to be on the SEL.
> They have several OF engines and can lend you a hand.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>> Hi Spencer,
>>          Let's take this One step at a time. First, how much compression 
>> do
>> you have? Try to pull it through and see if you can. If it's pretty easy,
>> but you can tell that there is a bit of compression, then oil the hell 
>> out
>> of the rings and try it again. Let us know what happens in this first 
>> step.
>>          Dave
>>
>> At 08:51 PM 4/26/2007, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>
>>> Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it should
>>> run.
>>>
>>> Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;
>>>
>>> Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these
>>> questions:
>>>
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html
>>>
>>> How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar
>>> to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder
>>> and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot
>>> tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark plug
>>> on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some
>>> time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is at
>>> least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled
>>> by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.
>>>
>>> I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing the
>>> engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
>>> Will I need an accumulator?
>>> Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
>>> I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at
>>> Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the
>>> bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the
>>> connecting rod too.
>>> Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
>>> How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks
>>> use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close
>>> enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air (I
>>> have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, I
>>> will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;
>>>
>>> So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:
>>> I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to continue
>>> raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on
>>> locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that
>>> runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log
>>> trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading
>>> stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big
>>> oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good
>>> shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the
>>> "rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was
>>> shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be
>>> carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as
>>> much of the original finish as possible.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!
>>>
>>> Spencer
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>>>
>>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr 27 20:15:35 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:15:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Engine Meet - Tulare - Video
In-Reply-To: <200704272026.l3RKQXEp027766@mail-gw.fsr.net>
References: <200704272026.l3RKQXEp027766@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <B6E8C8D6-B5FF-40C8-AB69-1BB631790F8D@rustyiron.com>

On Apr 27, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Orrin Iseminger wrote:

> Thank you, Rob, for your role in putting on the show and recording  
> it for
> those of us who could not attend.  We intended to be there, but  
> illness
> struck about the time we were due to hit the road for Tulare.
>
> How did this show compare, size-wise, to the first one held at  
> Cottonwood?

Hi Orrin,
Sorry you couldn't make it.

Size?  Shear numbers?  I don't know for sure.  This year we had more  
large engines, including every sized Rider and every size Ericsson  
ever made.  I don't think that's happened since production was  
ceased.  My impression is that there were more small engines in  
2001.  Each of the three shows so far have had unique items, and all  
have been noteworthy.

Rob




From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Apr 27 20:41:31 2007
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:41:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Steve Gray
Message-ID: <007c01c78947$1cf74940$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Can someone, maybe even Steve Gray, give me his email address.

Jim

Jim and Diane
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Apr 27 21:04:22 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:04:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Steve Gray
References: <007c01c78947$1cf74940$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <032201c7894a$51f16bf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Gray, Steve
E-mail Address(es):
  segray at bigvalley.net


Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 1:41 PM
Subject: [SEL] Steve Gray


> Can someone, maybe even Steve Gray, give me his email address.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Apr 28 02:10:57 2007
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:10:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Australia
Message-ID: <46330fa1.2ce.7099.834176694@netspeed.com.au>

G,day Larry 
I,am in Canberra  Australias Capital 
Regards brock 
----- Original Message -----
From: "L B" <anmlcrkr at insightbb.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] Australia
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:51:42 -0500

> What memebers live in Australia?  Email me offlist please.
> 
> Larry Brandon
> Sterling, IL 61081
> anmlcrkr at insightbb.com
>  
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From svsuzanne at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 28 02:30:44 2007
From: svsuzanne at earthlink.net (DAN RICHARDSON)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:30:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
Message-ID: <380-22007462893044692@earthlink.net>

My Grandfather told me to always set a plug to a thin dime.


> [Original Message]
> From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 4/26/2007 11:45:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z D
>
> Hi Ron,
> When in doubt set to 20ths thats about the standard used by most all. I'd 
> be suprised if that isn't the right setting.
>
>
> At 03:21 PM 4/26/07, you wrote:
> >Hi all.  What is the correct point gap for a FM J1AZ mag on a Z style D?
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Ron Haskell
> >rdhaskell at juno.com
> >Riverside, California
> >USA
> >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr 28 05:35:42 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:35:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] new google maps
Message-ID: <002701c78991$c36cf730$e5c30b52@no1>

Just found this and it seems ideal for us to show the way to shows & engine museums.
It seems to work worldwide but I just tried a rough route from Manchester Airport to the
Anson Engine museum to try it out. See 
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&z=12&om=1&msid=117836173680704147490.0000011238198afd7cf0f&msa=0
This was my first try, so no doubt it could be done better.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From fsouthwell at googlemail.com  Sat Apr 28 08:21:28 2007
From: fsouthwell at googlemail.com (Fred Southwell)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:21:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] new google maps
In-Reply-To: <002701c78991$c36cf730$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <002701c78991$c36cf730$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <3bd33b2e0704280821v6cfd7e68pe247f372f9904d29@mail.gmail.com>

Check out the satellite option. Many parts of the UK are available down to
20m, including this one.

On 28/04/07, Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> Just found this and it seems ideal for us to show the way to shows &
> engine museums.
> It seems to work worldwide but I just tried a rough route from Manchester
> Airport to the
> Anson Engine museum to try it out. See
>
> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&z=12&om=1&msid=117836173680704147490.0000011238198afd7cf0f&msa=0
> This was my first try, so no doubt it could be done better.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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-- 
Fred. Nr Brighton U.K.
See all my pictures at http://community.webshots.com/user/g6zru



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr 28 08:50:35 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:50:35 +0100
Subject: [SEL] new google maps
References: <002701c78991$c36cf730$e5c30b52@no1>
	<3bd33b2e0704280821v6cfd7e68pe247f372f9904d29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101c789ac$f6e56f00$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Southwell" <fsouthwell at googlemail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] new google maps
> 
> On 28/04/07, Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just found this and it seems ideal for us to show the way to shows &
>> engine museums.
>> It seems to work worldwide but I just tried a rough route from Manchester
>> Airport to the
>> Anson Engine museum to try it out. See
>>
>> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&z=12&om=1&msid=117836173680704147490.0000011238198afd7cf0f&msa=0
>> This was my first try, so no doubt it could be done better.
>> Dave Croft

> Check out the satellite option. Many parts of the UK are available down to
> 20m, including this one.


Hi Fred, there is a better version for the UK arial shots.
see http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=53.349443~-2.090256&style=h&lvl=18&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&encType=1
This is the Anson Museum. You can get maps but cannot draw the route you wish to show.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Apr 28 09:30:50 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:30:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
Message-ID: <20070428.093051.1716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Dan.  If you don't have a thin dime, use a nickel and five pennies.
<vbg>

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:30:44 -0400 "DAN RICHARDSON"
<svsuzanne at earthlink.net> writes:
> My Grandfather told me to always set a plug to a thin dime.


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sat Apr 28 15:42:42 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:42:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  FM Z D
Message-ID: <000a01c789e6$894f2fa0$8f741fd3@Edd>

Try again
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z D


> Hi .I have just looked through some of my mag books and Lucas and Bosch 
> have a point gap of .012 to .014..The R and RV F/M mags don't show a 
> setting in there books but they are difficult to set anyhow by the way 
> they work the points.F/M had a service tool for doing this.Maybe some of 
> the mag guys in the US have one.I have always set them by trial and error
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z D
>
>
>> Dan.  If you don't have a thin dime, use a nickel and five pennies.
>> <vbg>
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:30:44 -0400 "DAN RICHARDSON"
>> <svsuzanne at earthlink.net> writes:
>>> My Grandfather told me to always set a plug to a thin dime.
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 28 16:47:14 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 18:47:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <001f01c789ef$8cd16270$240110ac@FAMILY>

Ok Gang I need some advice. About three weeks ago after getting my 1905 Vertical 5 HP Stover all together I took it to my friends house about 60 miles from me and we attempted to start it. The engine had been rebuilt inside and out. They got it started but it would not stay running and we found that the engine was starving for gas and the fuel pump was the problem. I had rebuilt the fuel pump which included having a new brass plunger made, new plunger spring, and new check balls however I did not rework the ball seats so gas was leaking around the check balls and not keeping the carb full of gas.

I left the fuel pump with my friend as he is a machinist and he told me he would rework the seats. He called me yesterday and told me the fuel pump was ready and he had checked it out and it pumped good and the check balls were sealing off. I went and picked up the fuel pump today.

I installed the fuel pump and wired up the engine. I manually pumped the fuel pump until fuel ran out of the overflow hole on the carb. I then opened the needle valve about 3/4 to 1 turn and started trying to turn the engine over. The engine has so much compression that the only way I can turn it over is by opening the compression release. After a few turns it started and ran for about 10 seconds and then started to die, I quickly put my hand over the choke and it came back to life which told me it was a gas problem. After numerous exercises of pumping up the gas and then starting it and then it dying I started it and when it died I immediately disconnected the brass union on the fuel line between the fuel pump and the carb to see if gas was standing in this tube as it should be and it was not.This told me that for some reason the check balls were not seating in the fuel pump once again.

I have long suspected that the new plunger spring I installed could be the problem. In order for the spring to work I had to widen the bottom three coils to allow room for the check ball to go up inside of the spring when the spring was compressed. When I opened (widened)  up the bottom three coils of the spring to make room for the check ball to go up inside I got the bottom coils off center from the rest of the spring. Also upon inspecting the spring I noted that the very bottom coil was a little smaller than the two coils above it. I surmised that the bottom coils being off center to the rest of the spring was causing the coil to cock a little when compressed and was interfering with the seating of the ball. In a static test that my friend had conducted on the fuel pump this situation would not have shown up as in a static test he did not compress and releasing the spring, he just poured gas in the fuel pump and watched it to see if it leaked down and it did not. I reworked the bottom three coils on the spring, centered these coils with the rest of the spring and put it all back together. I put the pump back on and this seemed to fix the problem. The fuel pump now keeps the fuel bowl on the carb full all the time and you can even open the little petcock I put on the carb in place of the 3/8" overflow plug and you will get gas running out of it even though the engine is not running so now the bowl stays full and I have taken care of the gas problem.

After several more attempts to try and start it, in which I now was flooding the engine because it was getting plenty of gas and I was over choking it, and also once I discovered that the ignitor linkage had locked up once due to everything being too tight, I finally got all of these bugs worked out and the engine started. It was blowing dark black smoke which told me it was flooding so I slowly started screwing the needle valve in. The engine stopped smoking and speeded up tremendously so much so that the whole engine started jumping up and down. This scared me so I pulled the wire off of the battery.

I started it again and again it would  blow black smoke and as I turned the needle valve in the engine would really speed up hitting on every stroke and getting faster and faster and jumping up and down. Also it was blowing fire out the exhaust. It jumped so much that it bent the front axle on the cart. Each time I did an emergency shutdown.

I have now got to decide what is wrong, is the speed control knurl nut on the side of the block out of adjustment, is the governor not working properly, is the spring on the flyweights too weak, etc.

If you have any ideas please let me know meanwhile I will start trying to eliminate each possibility.

Thanks for all of the help.

Paul


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Apr 28 17:06:23 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:06:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <20070428.170623.1500.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Paul.
On an engine like this you have so many variables to work out until you
know the major settings.  I would control the speed by manually holding
the detent in to make it miss at the speed you want.  Then adjust the
fuel mixture and make a note of the setting.  Next look to see what
controls the latch out mechanism and get it to latch at the speed you
want.  You may have to cut or stretch springs to get the speed correct. 
But eliminate one factor at a time.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From plb at iinet.net.au  Sat Apr 28 17:10:23 2007
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:10:23 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <001f01c789ef$8cd16270$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <001f01c789ef$8cd16270$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <007e01c789f2$c8cfc8e0$5a6f5aa0$@net.au>

Sounds like the governor needs adjusting Paul.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2007 7:47 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help

Ok Gang I need some advice. About three weeks ago after getting my 1905
Vertical 5 HP Stover all together I took it to my friends house about 60
miles from me and we attempted to start it. The engine had been rebuilt
inside and out. They got it started but it would not stay running and we
found that the engine was starving for gas and the fuel pump was the
problem. I had rebuilt the fuel pump which included having a new brass
plunger made, new plunger spring, and new check balls however I did not
rework the ball seats so gas was leaking around the check balls and not
keeping the carb full of gas.

I left the fuel pump with my friend as he is a machinist and he told me he
would rework the seats. He called me yesterday and told me the fuel pump was
ready and he had checked it out and it pumped good and the check balls were
sealing off. I went and picked up the fuel pump today.

I installed the fuel pump and wired up the engine. I manually pumped the
fuel pump until fuel ran out of the overflow hole on the carb. I then opened
the needle valve about 3/4 to 1 turn and started trying to turn the engine
over. The engine has so much compression that the only way I can turn it
over is by opening the compression release. After a few turns it started and
ran for about 10 seconds and then started to die, I quickly put my hand over
the choke and it came back to life which told me it was a gas problem. After
numerous exercises of pumping up the gas and then starting it and then it
dying I started it and when it died I immediately disconnected the brass
union on the fuel line between the fuel pump and the carb to see if gas was
standing in this tube as it should be and it was not.This told me that for
some reason the check balls were not seating in the fuel pump once again.

I have long suspected that the new plunger spring I installed could be the
problem. In order for the spring to work I had to widen the bottom three
coils to allow room for the check ball to go up inside of the spring when
the spring was compressed. When I opened (widened)  up the bottom three
coils of the spring to make room for the check ball to go up inside I got
the bottom coils off center from the rest of the spring. Also upon
inspecting the spring I noted that the very bottom coil was a little smaller
than the two coils above it. I surmised that the bottom coils being off
center to the rest of the spring was causing the coil to cock a little when
compressed and was interfering with the seating of the ball. In a static
test that my friend had conducted on the fuel pump this situation would not
have shown up as in a static test he did not compress and releasing the
spring, he just poured gas in the fuel pump and watched it to see if it
leaked down and it did not. I rework!
 ed the bottom three coils on the spring, centered these coils with the rest
of the spring and put it all back together. I put the pump back on and this
seemed to fix the problem. The fuel pump now keeps the fuel bowl on the carb
full all the time and you can even open the little petcock I put on the carb
in place of the 3/8" overflow plug and you will get gas running out of it
even though the engine is not running so now the bowl stays full and I have
taken care of the gas problem.

After several more attempts to try and start it, in which I now was flooding
the engine because it was getting plenty of gas and I was over choking it,
and also once I discovered that the ignitor linkage had locked up once due
to everything being too tight, I finally got all of these bugs worked out
and the engine started. It was blowing dark black smoke which told me it was
flooding so I slowly started screwing the needle valve in. The engine
stopped smoking and speeded up tremendously so much so that the whole engine
started jumping up and down. This scared me so I pulled the wire off of the
battery.

I started it again and again it would  blow black smoke and as I turned the
needle valve in the engine would really speed up hitting on every stroke and
getting faster and faster and jumping up and down. Also it was blowing fire
out the exhaust. It jumped so much that it bent the front axle on the cart.
Each time I did an emergency shutdown.

I have now got to decide what is wrong, is the speed control knurl nut on
the side of the block out of adjustment, is the governor not working
properly, is the spring on the flyweights too weak, etc.

If you have any ideas please let me know meanwhile I will start trying to
eliminate each possibility.

Thanks for all of the help.

Paul
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 28 17:18:41 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:18:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <001f01c789ef$8cd16270$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<007e01c789f2$c8cfc8e0$5a6f5aa0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <005f01c789f3$f182d510$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Ron and Ray, I will try these things and see what happens.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R and E Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> Sounds like the governor needs adjusting Paul.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth WA
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2007 7:47 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
> 
> Ok



From svsuzanne at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 29 03:12:33 2007
From: svsuzanne at earthlink.net (DAN RICHARDSON)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 06:12:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
Message-ID: <380-220074029101233941@earthlink.net>

Grandpa never had two nickles to rub together that's why he used a dime.


> [Original Message]
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 4/28/2007 12:33:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z D
>
>  Dan.  If you don't have a thin dime, use a nickel and five pennies.
> <vbg>
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:30:44 -0400 "DAN RICHARDSON"
> <svsuzanne at earthlink.net> writes:
> > My Grandfather told me to always set a plug to a thin dime.
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Apr 29 06:13:09 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:13:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:48:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:

is the spring on the flyweights too weak,

Paul,
 
Not sure how your governor works, but if the spring/springs is between the 
governor flyweights, put on a weaker spring as this lets the weights expand 
quicker thus latching on quicker. General rule of thumb, weaker springs-slower 
run, stronger springs-faster run.  Some folks will even use rubber bands in place 
of springs.  But it also sounds like you have adjustment problems somewhere 
between governor and latch mechanisms.  I am assuming your engine is spark 
governed, not throttle governed. Another thing you can do, is expand the weights 
by hand and see how much movement/force it takes to latch on. 
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 29 12:59:44 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:59:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
In-Reply-To: <20070420024106.D00DA58E90@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <409624.30207.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Frank,
  What you watched was a repeat.
  Check out 
  http://www.themountainear.com/story6.shtml
   
  And read this
   
  The moving of the steam shovel will be aired this Tuesday, May 16th, at 9 p.m. on the History Channel. But locals who want to see the show on a big screen and hobnob with the major players can see it at the premiere showing at Gilpin County High School this Saturday, May 13, from 5:30 p.m. to 9 p.m. 

  That Tuesday, May 16 was in 2006.
   
   
  At
  http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=77445
   
  I saw a lot of nice Mega Movers DVDs for sale, but I didn't find that move available.
  Bummer,
  Lurker
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan U.S. of A.
   
   
  Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:
  Just caught a History Channel Mega movers on the saving and moving of 
a 1923 Bucyrus B50 Steem shovel. Good show. I hope they repeat it.
Here is a little info from the web.
http://www.themountainear.com/story19.shtml
http://dmtop.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html
http://www.themountainear.com/story6.shtml

Does anyone have any more info on it? How does it compare to the 
Bucyus-Erie 50-B steam shovel at Rollag? They look like the same machine.

Frank

Frank DeWitt

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2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Apr 29 14:47:11 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:47:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com>
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070430074432.01b8cb98@ncable.com.au>

When setting the speed up on my Eagle engine I had to remove the gib 
key and slide the flywheel a little further out and re place the gib 
key. This was because the governor yolk (right wording??) that slides 
along the flywheel was not getting enough of the detent arm roller?? 
if you get my meaning. May be worth a look at??
Russell


At 11:13 PM 29/04/2007, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:48:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>is the spring on the flyweights too weak,
>
>Paul,
>
>Not sure how your governor works, but if the spring/springs is between the
>governor flyweights, put on a weaker spring as this lets the weights expand
>quicker thus latching on quicker. General rule of thumb, weaker 
>springs-slower
>run, stronger springs-faster run.  Some folks will even use rubber 
>bands in place
>of springs.  But it also sounds like you have adjustment problems somewhere
>between governor and latch mechanisms.  I am assuming your engine is spark
>governed, not throttle governed. Another thing you can do, is expand 
>the weights
>by hand and see how much movement/force it takes to latch on.
>
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va.
>Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 29 15:55:02 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:55:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Tom,

The governor weight spring is a real weak spring, if you look close in these 
pictures you will see it. It is a hit and miss and not throttled governed 
engine. Here are some shots of the governor mechanism:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover2.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover3.jpg

Thanks for the help.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


>
> In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:48:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> is the spring on the flyweights too weak,
>
> Paul,
>
> Not sure how your governor works, but if the spring/springs is between the
> governor flyweights, put on a weaker spring as this lets the weights 
> expand
> quicker thus latching on quicker. General rule of thumb, weaker 
> springs-slower
> run, 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 29 15:55:59 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:55:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070430074432.01b8cb98@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <009901c78ab1$8e271940$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Russell,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> When setting the speed up on my Eagle engine I had to remove the gib 
> key and slide the flywheel a little further out and re place the gib 
> key. This was because the governor yolk (right wording??) that slides 
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 29 19:05:10 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:05:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Help on Sherwood Oiler
Message-ID: <011d01c78acb$fc685a80$240110ac@FAMILY>

Ok Gang once again I need help on what would seemingly be a simple problem and it would probably be a simple problem for anyone but me. The old original Sherwood Oiler on the my Stover engine was very grungy, the glasses were glazed over with old harden oil, and it from all appearances it was plugged up.

I dis-assembled the oiler completely even removing the long center stem. The center stem was extremely hard to remove and once I got it out it appeared to have some old  hard packing at the bottom of the stem that was about 1/4" in width. This old packing just fell apart. I made some new packing out of Teflon and tried to get it about the same width. I made new cork gaskets for the glasses and out it all back together. Now I cannot seem to get the oiler to shut off, it drips continuously even when I have the top pivot folded over to let the stem relax and supposedly seal off.

Here is a picture of the oiler:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverOiler.jpg

Has anyone ever tore down one of these old Sherwood Oilers? Does anyone have an exploded diagram of one? I see a Number 1 stamped on the bottom of the oiler nut so I assume it is a #1 Sherwood Oiler. Any help that anyone can give this simpleton would be appreciated.

Paul


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sat Apr 28 14:14:15 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 07:14:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
References: <20070428.093051.1716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001901c789da$2e2570f0$8f741fd3@Edd>

Hi .I have just looked through some of my mag books and Lucas and Bosch have 
a point gap of .012 to .014..The R and RV F/M mags don't show a setting in 
there books but they are difficult to set anyhow by the way they work the 
points.F/M had a service tool for doing this.Maybe some of the mag guys in 
the US have one.I have always set them by trial and error
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z D


> Dan.  If you don't have a thin dime, use a nickel and five pennies.
> <vbg>
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:30:44 -0400 "DAN RICHARDSON"
> <svsuzanne at earthlink.net> writes:
>> My Grandfather told me to always set a plug to a thin dime.
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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Sun Apr 29 20:04:45 2007
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:04:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Need Help on Sherwood Oiler
In-Reply-To: <011d01c78acb$fc685a80$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <011d01c78acb$fc685a80$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070429195417.02d66b98@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Paul,

If your new cork gaskets are thicker than the original ones you may have 
changed the relationship of the length of the center stem to the tube that 
it moves in causing it to not be able to seat at the bottom.  You could 
test this by temporarily removing the top cork gasket and see if it still 
does not seal.

Regards,
Larry

At 07:05 PM 4/29/2007, you wrote:
>Ok Gang once again I need help on what would seemingly be a simple problem 
>and it would probably be a simple problem for anyone but me. The old 
>original Sherwood Oiler on the my Stover engine was very grungy, the 
>glasses were glazed over with old harden oil, and it from all appearances 
>it was plugged up.
>
>I dis-assembled the oiler completely even removing the long center stem. 
>The center stem was extremely hard to remove and once I got it out it 
>appeared to have some old  hard packing at the bottom of the stem that was 
>about 1/4" in width. This old packing just fell apart. I made some new 
>packing out of Teflon and tried to get it about the same width. I made new 
>cork gaskets for the glasses and out it all back together. Now I cannot 
>seem to get the oiler to shut off, it drips continuously even when I have 
>the top pivot folded over to let the stem relax and supposedly seal off.
>
>Here is a picture of the oiler:
>
>http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverOiler.jpg
>
>Has anyone ever tore down one of these old Sherwood Oilers? Does anyone 
>have an exploded diagram of one? I see a Number 1 stamped on the bottom of 
>the oiler nut so I assume it is a #1 Sherwood Oiler. Any help that anyone 
>can give this simpleton would be appreciated.
>
>Paul
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Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 29 20:10:38 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:10:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Help on Sherwood Oiler
References: <011d01c78acb$fc685a80$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20070429195417.02d66b98@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <031601c78ad5$214dc340$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Larry, I will give this a try.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Evans" <lfevans at pacbell.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help on Sherwood Oiler


> Paul,
>
> If your new cork gaskets are thicker than the original ones you may have
> changed the relationship of the length of the center stem to the tube that
> it moves in causing it to not be able to seat at the bottom.  You could
> test this by temporarily removing the top cork gasket and see if it still
> does not seal.
>
> Regards,
> Larry
>
> At 07:05 PM 4/29/2007, you wrote:
>>Ok Gang once again I need help on what would seemingly be a simple problem
>>and it would probably be a simple problem for anyone but me. The old
>>original Sherwood Oiler on the my Stover engine was very grungy, the
>> 




From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Apr 29 20:53:10 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:53:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sattley Montgomery Wards Info wanted
In-Reply-To: <3bd33b2e0704280821v6cfd7e68pe247f372f9904d29@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <002701c78991$c36cf730$e5c30b52@no1>
	<3bd33b2e0704280821v6cfd7e68pe247f372f9904d29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070429230633.02f22a90@pop3.wcoil.com>

If anyone has a 1 1/2 Sattley Montgomery Wards Could you email "dave 
hutchens" <lastchanceranch at gvni.com>
He has one that he has some questions about the carb and gov set up which I 
am not real familiar with. He has it running but he's not sure its set up 
right.             Thanks,  Mark 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Apr 29 22:07:43 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:07:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
Message-ID: <20070429.220743.532.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Thanks for your effort Edd.
I set the points at .020 and it will throw a ?" spark.  This is the
hottest mag I have ever seen on a ZD.  I don't have to spin it very fast
to get it to start.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 07:14:15 +1000 "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
writes:
> Hi .I have just looked through some of my mag books and Lucas and 
> Bosch have 
> a point gap of .012 to .014..The R and RV F/M mags don't show a 
> setting in 
> there books but they are difficult to set anyhow by the way they 
> work the 
> points.F/M had a service tool for doing this.Maybe some of the mag 
> guys in 
> the US have one.I have always set them by trial and error
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 30 05:32:26 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:32:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sattley Montgomery Wards Info wanted
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070429230633.02f22a90@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <374995.37970.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Mark,
  don't know how much help I can be but I got one and it runs.
  Ask away.
  Ron

Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
  If anyone has a 1 1/2 Sattley Montgomery Wards Could you email "dave 
hutchens" 
He has one that he has some questions about the carb and gov set up which I 
am not real familiar with. He has it running but he's not sure its set up 
right. Thanks, Mark 


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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Apr 30 07:22:16 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:22:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEAAFLAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

It looks like you may have to move the flywheel into the engine a little so the pawl (the vertical piece that operates off of the governor collar) will fully engage the end of the cam roller shaft to hold the roller off the cam when the governor weights are all the way out as if the engine were up to speed.  I couldn't see it too well on your photos, but on my Jack of All Trades, the roller shaft has a short flat on it that the pawl engages.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 05:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
> 
> 
> Thanks Tom,
> 
> The governor weight spring is a real weak spring, 
> if you look close in these 
> pictures you will see it. It is a hit and miss 
> and not throttled governed 
> engine. Here are some shots of the governor mechanism:
> 
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapi
> n/Stover2.jpg
> 
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapi
> n/Stover3.jpg
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> Paul




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Apr 30 06:49:22 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:49:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com>
	<008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <4635F3E2.8060006@imc-group.com>

Paul,
Have looked over the photos. I'm guessing you want to run this engine a 
bit slower than nameplate, as most of us do this for the show scene.
Is the spring you mentioned and pictured not for trimming the speed? Are 
there not a pair of (or single) other springs actually working on the 
flyweights in the cam gear?

I ALWAYS assure the latchout mechanism works FIRST before ever adding 
the first bit of fuel to an engine. You can block or hold the intake 
valve open to assure the engine freewheels. With the right springs 
working on the weights, you should be able to rotate the flywheels fast 
enough to observe the latchout engage. Then as you watch it freewheel, 
it will slow, and then the latchout will drop out, allowing the exhaust 
valve to close and follow the cam.

I assume you have checked the basics first, such as making sure the 
detent block will easily fit under the catch with about a 1/32 
clearance? And you've assured the cam follower and its' stud are in good 
condition? A worn cam follower, will diminish lift, and prevent the 
detent block from getting under the latch.

Hey, what are the small set screws on the sides of the main bearing caps 
for? Fore and after positioning of the caps? Did Stover engines come 
with these?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:
> Thanks Tom,
>
> The governor weight spring is a real weak spring, if you look close in these 
> pictures you will see it. It is a hit and miss and not throttled governed 
> engine. Here are some shots of the governor mechanism:
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover2.jpg
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover3.jpg
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
>
>
>   
>> In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:48:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>
>> is the spring on the flyweights too weak,
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> Not sure how your governor works, but if the spring/springs is between the
>> governor flyweights, put on a weaker spring as this lets the weights 
>> expand
>> quicker thus latching on quicker. General rule of thumb, weaker 
>> springs-slower
>> run, 
>>     
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>   



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 30 12:04:25 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:04:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com><008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<4635F3E2.8060006@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <006301c78b5a$5f8c0d80$240110ac@FAMILY>

To Curt, Elden, Tom, Russell, and any other that responded to my most recent 
request I want to share with you and all the rest of the SEL group that with 
the help and support I got from everyone the Ole Stover Live's Again after 
all of these years of not running. She is still in her underwear (primer) 
but today was the day that it all came together and it runs like a well 
oiled machine. I have a short (1) minute video for all to see, I have her 
running just a little fast to break her in but if I back off on the speed 
control nut she really slows down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoGgw2aWXo

Thanks everyone for without you I would have never made it. Now I will get 
the new cart made and get her painted and ready to go.

Grateful for friends like you,

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> Paul,
> Have looked over the photos. I'm guessing you want to run this engine a
> bit slower than nameplate, as most of us do this for the show scene.
> Is the spring you mentioned and pictured not for trimming the speed? Are
> there not a pair of (or single) other springs actually working on the
> flyweights in the cam gear?
>
> I ALWAYS assure the latchout mechanism works FIRST before ever adding
> the first bit of fuel to an engine. You can block or hold the intake
> valve open to assure the engine freewheels. With the right springs
> working on the weights, you should be able to rotate the flywheels fast
> enough to observe the latchout engage. Then as you watch it freewheel,
> it will slow, and then the latchout will drop out, allowing the exhaust
> valve to close and follow the cam.
>
> I assume you have checked the basics first, such as making sure the
> detent block will easily fit under the catch with about a 1/32
> clearance? And you've assured the cam follower and its' stud are in good
> condition? A worn cam follower, will diminish lift, and prevent the
> detent block from getting under the latch.
>
> Hey, what are the small set screws on the sides of the main bearing caps
> for? Fore and after positioning of the caps? Did Stover engines come
> with these?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Paul Maples wrote:
>> Thanks Tom,
>>
>> The governor weight spring is a real weak spring, if you look close in 
>> these
>> pictures you will see it. It is a hit and miss and not throttled governed
>> engine. Here are some shots of the governor mechanism:
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover2.jpg
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover3.jpg
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
>>
>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:48:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>>
>>> is the spring on the flyweights too weak,
>>>
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>> Not sure how your governor works, but if the spring/springs is between 
>>> the
>>> governor flyweights, put on a weaker spring as this lets the weights
>>> expand
>>> quicker thus latching on quicker. General rule of thumb, weaker
>>> springs-slower
>>> run,
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Apr 30 12:11:29 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:11:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <20070430.121130.1952.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Way to go Paul. Running like a Swiss watch.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 30 12:24:40 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:24:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <20070430.121130.1952.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c78b5d$33b4e120$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Ron, you had a hand in all of this and I so appreciate you.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> Way to go Paul. Running like a Swiss watch.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Apr 30 13:33:42 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:33:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <006301c78b5a$5f8c0d80$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEALFLAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

Thanks for the video.  Runs nice.

I'm going to add a videos section to my web page once I figger out how to get them TeeVee pitchers onto this 'puter.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 02:04 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
> 
> 
> To Curt, Elden, Tom, Russell, and any other that 
> responded to my most recent 
> request I want to share with you and all the rest 
> of the SEL group that with 
> the help and support I got from everyone the Ole 
> Stover Live's Again after 
> all of these years of not running. She is still 
> in her underwear (primer) 
> but today was the day that it all came together 
> and it runs like a well 
> oiled machine. I have a short (1) minute video 
> for all to see, I have her 
> running just a little fast to break her in but if 
> I back off on the speed 
> control nut she really slows down.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoGgw2aWXo
> 
> Thanks everyone for without you I would have 
> never made it. Now I will get 
> the new cart made and get her painted and ready to go.
> 
> Grateful for friends like you,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
> 
> 
> > Paul,
> > Have looked over the photos. I'm guessing you 
> want to run this engine a
> > bit slower than nameplate, as most of us do 
> this for the show scene.
> > Is the spring you mentioned and pictured not 
> for trimming the speed? Are
> > there not a pair of (or single) other springs 
> actually working on the
> > flyweights in the cam gear?
> >
> > I ALWAYS assure the latchout mechanism works 
> FIRST before ever adding
> > the first bit of fuel to an engine. You can 
> block or hold the intake
> > valve open to assure the engine freewheels. 
> With the right springs
> > working on the weights, you should be able to 
> rotate the flywheels fast
> > enough to observe the latchout engage. Then as 
> you watch it freewheel,
> > it will slow, and then the latchout will drop 
> out, allowing the exhaust
> > valve to close and follow the cam.
> >
> > I assume you have checked the basics first, 
> such as making sure the
> > detent block will easily fit under the catch 
> with about a 1/32
> > clearance? And you've assured the cam follower 
> and its' stud are in good
> > condition? A worn cam follower, will diminish 
> lift, and prevent the
> > detent block from getting under the latch.
> >
> > Hey, what are the small set screws on the sides 
> of the main bearing caps
> > for? Fore and after positioning of the caps? 
> Did Stover engines come
> > with these?
> > Curt Holland
> > Gastonia, NC
> >
> > Paul Maples wrote:
> >> Thanks Tom,
> >>
> >> The governor weight spring is a real weak 
> spring, if you look close in 
> >> these
> >> pictures you will see it. It is a hit and miss 
> and not throttled governed
> >> engine. Here are some shots of the governor mechanism:
> >>
> >> 
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover2.jpg
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover3.jpg
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
>>
>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:48:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>>
>>> is the spring on the flyweights too weak,
>>>
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>> Not sure how your governor works, but if the spring/springs is between 
>>> the
>>> governor flyweights, put on a weaker spring as this lets the weights
>>> expand
>>> quicker thus latching on quicker. General rule of thumb, weaker
>>> springs-slower
>>> run,
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 30 12:40:48 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:40:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEALFLAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c78b5f$74cf5fd0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Elden you figuring out how to put the TV pictures on your puter would be 
about as challenging to you as you trying to learn to drive.

I appreciate all of your help my friend,

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> Paul:
>
> Thanks for the video.  Runs nice.
>
> I'm going to add a videos section to my web page once I figger out how to 
> get them TeeVee pitchers onto this 'puter.
>




From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 30 12:45:39 2007
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:45:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <00a701c78b5f$74cf5fd0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <008401c78b60$22732040$e869c240@OFFICELEW>

How do you put camcorder images up like that?  Several times I've
thought this would be neat to do but have no idea how?

Lew Best near Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Maples
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help

Elden you figuring out how to put the TV pictures on your puter would be

about as challenging to you as you trying to learn to drive.

I appreciate all of your help my friend,

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> Paul:
>
> Thanks for the video.  Runs nice.
>
> I'm going to add a videos section to my web page once I figger out how
to 
> get them TeeVee pitchers onto this 'puter.
>


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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Apr 30 12:52:53 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:52:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <006301c78b5a$5f8c0d80$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com><008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>	<4635F3E2.8060006@imc-group.com>
	<006301c78b5a$5f8c0d80$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <46364915.8080909@imc-group.com>

Paul,
There is very little us fellers like better than seeing a fresh gal in 
her underwear, but do tell us what you finally found was the problem 
with her running away?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:
> To Curt, Elden, Tom, Russell, and any other that responded to my most recent 
> request I want to share with you and all the rest of the SEL group that with 
> the help and support I got from everyone the Ole Stover Live's Again after 
> all of these years of not running. She is still in her underwear (primer) 
> but today was the day that it all came together and it runs like a well 
> oiled machine. I have a short (1) minute video for all to see, I have her 
> running just a little fast to break her in but if I back off on the speed 
> control nut she really slows down.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoGgw2aWXo
>
> Thanks everyone for without you I would have never made it. Now I will get 
> the new cart made and get her painted and ready to go.
>
> Grateful for friends like you,
>
>   



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 30 13:12:48 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:12:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com><008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>	<4635F3E2.8060006@imc-group.com><006301c78b5a$5f8c0d80$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<46364915.8080909@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c78b63$edd0b650$240110ac@FAMILY>

Sorry Curt for leaving that out. It was the speed control spring adjustment, 
the one the arrow is pointing to in this picture:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover1A.jpg

When I put this part of the engine back together I did not pay special 
attention to this adjustment and had the brass knurl nut screwed out to far 
which was putting too much pressure on the governor yoke and not letting the 
detent latch up. I went back and looked at my "Before" pictures and saw how 
the spring and nut was adjusted and set it according to the picture and 
started the engine and it ran perfect. I want to add that I did this after I 
got all of the input from the guys on the SEL as well as I got a message 
from a good Stover friend of mine, John Ames, and he told me his Stover done 
the same thing when he first started it and it was this spring.

Also Curt you asked what those screws were for on the main bearings. Once 
you get the main bearings tightened down these are lock screws to keep the 
main bearing bolts from working loose.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> Paul,
> There is very little us fellers like better than seeing a fresh gal in
> her underwear, but do tell us what you finally found was the problem
> with her running away?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 30 13:19:46 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:19:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <008401c78b60$22732040$e869c240@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <00c001c78b64$e63ebc10$240110ac@FAMILY>

Lew I have a little Kodak EasyShare C330 camera and it will take short 
movies. I went out and took the one minute movie of it running and then came 
in and went to Google and typed in "You Tube" and got the YouTube.com site 
and clicked on it. It is free, just register and then it will tell you how 
to put a movie on your own YouTube site. If you have trouble just give me a 
holler and I, are some of the other folks, will happily walk you through the 
process.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lew Best" <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> How do you put camcorder images up like that?  Several times I've
> thought this would be neat to do but have no idea how?
>
> Lew Best near Waco, TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Maples
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:41 PM




From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Apr 30 06:28:35 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:28:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sattley Montgomery Wards Info wanted
In-Reply-To: <374995.37970.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070429230633.02f22a90@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<374995.37970.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070430092037.0343f1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Ron,
  Thanks for the shout back. Could you email him directly? 
at   lastchanceranch at gvni.com  No need to get a middle man in the way here, 
He's not on the list. What would probably be most helpfull to him would be 
a couple pictures of the proper gov & carb set up. I gave him some general 
pointers that got it running but some of the details as to whats correct I 
don't know as I've never played with one of these 
engines.            Thanks,   Mark


At 08:32 AM 4/30/07, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>   don't know how much help I can be but I got one and it runs.
>   Ask away.
>   Ron
>
>Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
>   If anyone has a 1 1/2 Sattley Montgomery Wards Could you email "dave
>hutchens"
>He has one that he has some questions about the carb and gov set up which I
>am not real familiar with. He has it running but he's not sure its set up
>right. Thanks, Mark

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 30 13:26:54 2007
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:26:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <00c001c78b64$e63ebc10$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <009801c78b65$e6b248f0$e869c240@OFFICELEW>

Ok thanx!  I think my canon has movie capabilities; I'll try it.

Lew


-----Original Message-----

 Lew I have a little Kodak EasyShare C330 camera and it will take short 
movies. I went out and took the one minute movie of it running and then
came 
in and went to Google and typed in "You Tube" and got the YouTube.com
site 
and clicked on it. It is free, just register and then it will tell you
how 
to put a movie on your own YouTube site. If you have trouble just give
me a 
holler and I, are some of the other folks, will happily walk you through
the 
process.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 


> How do you put camcorder images up like that?  Several times I've
> thought this would be neat to do but have no idea how?
>
> Lew Best near Waco, TX
>
 

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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 30 13:46:22 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sattley Montgomery Wards Info wanted
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070430092037.0343f1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <887884.40275.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

OK Mark , I contact him probably tomorrow.
  Ron

Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
  Hi Ron,
Thanks for the shout back. Could you email him directly? 
at lastchanceranch at gvni.com No need to get a middle man in the way here, 
He's not on the list. What would probably be most helpfull to him would be 
a couple pictures of the proper gov & carb set up. I gave him some general 
pointers that got it running but some of the details as to whats correct I 
don't know as I've never played with one of these 
engines. Thanks, Mark


At 08:32 AM 4/30/07, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
> don't know how much help I can be but I got one and it runs.
> Ask away.
> Ron
>
>Mark Shulaw wrote:
> If anyone has a 1 1/2 Sattley Montgomery Wards Could you email "dave
>hutchens"
>He has one that he has some questions about the carb and gov set up which I
>am not real familiar with. He has it running but he's not sure its set up
>right. Thanks, Mark

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
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  Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
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    http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
  " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
   


       
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Apr 30 14:23:23 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:23:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sattley Montgomery Wards Info wanted
In-Reply-To: <887884.40275.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070430092037.0343f1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<887884.40275.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070430172254.02f1d4b0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Much appreciated Ron, Thank You,  Mark


At 04:46 PM 4/30/07, you wrote:
>OK Mark , I contact him probably tomorrow.
>   Ron
>
>Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
>   Hi Ron,
>Thanks for the shout back. Could you email him directly?
>at lastchanceranch at gvni.com No need to get a middle man in the way here,
>He's not on the list. What would probably be most helpfull to him would be
>a couple pictures of the proper gov & carb set up. I gave him some general
>pointers that got it running but some of the details as to whats correct I
>don't know as I've never played with one of these
>engines. Thanks, Mark
>
>
>At 08:32 AM 4/30/07, you wrote:
> >Hi Mark,
> > don't know how much help I can be but I got one and it runs.
> > Ask away.
> > Ron
> >
> >Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > If anyone has a 1 1/2 Sattley Montgomery Wards Could you email "dave
> >hutchens"
> >He has one that he has some questions about the carb and gov set up which I
> >am not real familiar with. He has it running but he's not sure its set up
> >right. Thanks, Mark
>
>Mark & Christine Shulaw
>454 Co. Rd. 33
>Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
>Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
>Parts lists available on request.
>
>Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
>Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone
>you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if
>possible.
>I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent
>them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
>hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark
>
>
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>
>
>
>   Ron Frost
>Kersey, PA
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>     http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
>   " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
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>  Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Apr 29 17:00:33 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:00:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
References: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070427093422.04ec15e0@mail.alltel.net>
	<46321559.1070109@imc-group.com>
	<028701c7891b$fed5df60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <002001c78aba$92e04570$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Dallas and Linda are alive and well at the Reidsville show this weekend.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?


> What Happened to Dallas?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "Oil Field Engine Society mailing list"
> <ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: "SEL (Oldengine.org)" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 1:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
>
>
>> Spencer,
>> You need to meet Dallas Cox and his buddy Brose Easterly (sp?). They are
>> in the High Point area. Dallas used to be on the SEL.
>> They have several OF engines and can lend you a hand.
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>>
>> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>> Hi Spencer,
>>>          Let's take this One step at a time. First, how much compression
>>> do
>>> you have? Try to pull it through and see if you can. If it's pretty 
>>> easy,
>>> but you can tell that there is a bit of compression, then oil the hell
>>> out
>>> of the rings and try it again. Let us know what happens in this first
>>> step.
>>>          Dave
>>>
>>> At 08:51 PM 4/26/2007, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it 
>>>> should
>>>> run.
>>>>
>>>> Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;
>>>>
>>>> Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these
>>>> questions:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html
>>>>
>>>> How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar
>>>> to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder
>>>> and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot
>>>> tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark 
>>>> plug
>>>> on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some
>>>> time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is 
>>>> at
>>>> least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled
>>>> by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.
>>>>
>>>> I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing 
>>>> the
>>>> engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
>>>> Will I need an accumulator?
>>>> Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
>>>> I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at
>>>> Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the
>>>> bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the
>>>> connecting rod too.
>>>> Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
>>>> How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks
>>>> use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close
>>>> enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air 
>>>> (I
>>>> have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, 
>>>> I
>>>> will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;
>>>>
>>>> So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:
>>>> I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to 
>>>> continue
>>>> raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on
>>>> locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that
>>>> runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log
>>>> trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading
>>>> stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big
>>>> oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good
>>>> shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the
>>>> "rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was
>>>> shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be
>>>> carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as
>>>> much of the original finish as possible.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!
>>>>
>>>> Spencer
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Apr 30 18:12:58 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:12:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <00a701c78b5f$74cf5fd0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEBBFLAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Hey, Paul:

I flunked my first driving test.  Couldn't make the horse back-up!

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 02:41 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
> 
> 
> Elden you figuring out how to put the TV pictures 
> on your puter would be 
> about as challenging to you as you trying to 
> learn to drive.
> 
> I appreciate all of your help my friend,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
> 
> 
> > Paul:
> >
> > Thanks for the video.  Runs nice.
> >
> > I'm going to add a videos section to my web 
> page once I figger out how to 
> > get them TeeVee pitchers onto this 'puter.




From BillMil357 at aol.com  Mon Apr 30 17:39:33 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:39:33 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <cbc.10f2f022.3367e645@aol.com>

Hi Paul,
 
I am proud you got your engine running, I am going to have to get over  there 
and see it one of these days, I still have not been able to get my  
Grandson's Maytag started (watch the comments Dave) I think he is a little  
disappointed in me, I would sure like to hear it Purr.
 
See'ya, Bill Miller 



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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Apr 30 19:09:15 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:09:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <cbc.10f2f022.3367e645@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c78b95$d0aff950$6500a8c0@home>

Bill;
    You need the Maytag I have , purchased it at an auction , its a 92 side 
exhaust all original , only thing I did to it is put gas mix in it and 
cleaned off some of the grease and a couple of kicks  started it the first 
time , Now my 4 year old Grandson can start it with one kick ,  I'm not 
going to paint or restore it , its a true unrestored piece of history.
Question =  I'm trying to get my 1-1/2 Hp Simplicity running on buzz coil , 
Having trouble with the timing , What would be a good timing degree to start 
with ? I always thought about 4 degrees BDC am I correct ?

Rex Hinz


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


  I still have not been able to get my
> Grandson's Maytag started (watch the comments Dave) I think he is a little
> disappointed in me, I would sure like to hear it Purr.
>
> See'ya, Bill Miller
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Mon Apr 30 20:01:23 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:01:23 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <cc2.e7fbd9f.33680783@aol.com>

Hi Rex,
 
That is a good find on your Maytag, maybe I can get mine starting like that  
soon. Rex I am sorry but I can't help on your Simplicity, I have never worked 
on  one of them, maybe someone else will chime in soon and help you out.
 
Thanks, Bill Miller



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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Apr 30 20:06:11 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:06:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <20070430.200611.1952.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Hi Rex.
The generic timing for flywheel engines is:  exhaust valve should start
to open 35-45? before bottom dead center, and close 5? after top dead
center.  Spark should occur 5-7? before top dead center for each 100
revolutions per minute.  With the greater number being used for low
tension ignition and the smaller used for high tension ignition.
Void where prohibited or taxed, your mileage may vary.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:09:15 -0500 "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
writes:
> Bill;
>     You need the Maytag I have , purchased it at an auction , its a 
> 92 side 
> exhaust all original , only thing I did to it is put gas mix in it 
> and 
> cleaned off some of the grease and a couple of kicks  started it the 
> first 
> time , Now my 4 year old Grandson can start it with one kick ,  I'm 
> not 
> going to paint or restore it , its a true unrestored piece of 
> history.
> Question =  I'm trying to get my 1-1/2 Hp Simplicity running on buzz 
> coil , 
> Having trouble with the timing , What would be a good timing degree 
> to start 
> with ? I always thought about 4 degrees BDC am I correct ?
> 
> Rex Hinz
>


From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  1 05:08:15 2007
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] HELP AGAIN, FROM JAPAN
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0703290844330.94118@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <927603.10567.qm@web59203.mail.re1.yahoo.com>



To:  The No. American Lads
  From: Your man in Japan, Bill Young
  Re: Magneto coil winder
   
  I have just received a "Help" signal from a good buddy in Shikoku.  He wants to buy a coil winder  as in magneto coil.  I think a new commercial winder would exceed his budget.  Anybody know of one for sale?  A source? I will be going to USA next month.
  Thanks,  Bill



From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Sun Apr  1 10:37:29 2007
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (f86sabre at kcweb.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:37:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] HELP AGAIN, FROM JAPAN
References: <927603.10567.qm@web59203.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c77484$6beda530$9701a8c0@danlsthing>

If your friend is not averse to building a coil winder, the info is 
available in Bob Shore's book, Ignition Coils and Magnetos in Miniature.  It 
contains drawings for a coil winder.
Bob passed away a couple of years ago, but I think his wife is still selling 
his plans, kits, etc.
Pertinent info can be found on http://bobshores.com/pages/1/index.htm

Dan Bousman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] HELP AGAIN, FROM JAPAN


>
>
> To:  The No. American Lads
>  From: Your man in Japan, Bill Young
>  Re: Magneto coil winder
>
>  I have just received a "Help" signal from a good buddy in Shikoku.  He 
> wants to buy a coil winder  as in magneto coil.  I think a new commercial 
> winder would exceed his budget.  Anybody know of one for sale?  A source? 
> I will be going to USA next month.
>  Thanks,  Bill
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Apr  1 18:02:56 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:02:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
Message-ID: <003901c774c2$a68bb680$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi All

I am building some igntiors and need some mica tubing, can anyone suggest 
suppliers please:

I need:
1/2" OD x 3/8" ID mica tubing
1/2" OD x 3/8" ID mica washers

Also can you buy 1/4" tungsten points tips for the contacts?

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Apr  1 21:46:10 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:46:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
In-Reply-To: <003901c774c2$a68bb680$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENIFIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Try Bill Loupolis.  He advertises on Harry's.  He's got ignitor stuff.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 08:03 PM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
> 
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I am building some igntiors and need some mica 
> tubing, can anyone suggest 
> suppliers please:
> 
> I need:
> 1/2" OD x 3/8" ID mica tubing
> 1/2" OD x 3/8" ID mica washers
> 
> Also can you buy 1/4" tungsten points tips for 
> the contacts?
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/
rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm

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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Apr  1 22:33:32 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:33:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENIFIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c774e8$743036e0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

This mob in Australia have the size I want 
http://www.gmsindustrial.com.au/index.html

$50 per meter, WOW.
The washers are $3.50ea


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sun Apr  1 22:33:45 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:33:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Of Topic (Tools)
Message-ID: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>

Hi 
I have this unusual American made Hammer,so far all the tool collectors that I have shown it to can`t tell me what is was specificly made for , I have taken it to Engine Rallys but no one has yet identified it, is there a list member who knows it`s used for.
photo on webshots as below
. thanks 
Brian.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Apr  1 22:58:46 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:58:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Of Topic (Tools)
References: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>
Message-ID: <002c01c774eb$fa2c91f0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Brian

Scroll down this page for hammers:
http://www.lfishman.com/Library/Catalog/Tools.pdf
Of course yours is an earlier version, but may have been used incorrectly 
and not with the rubber head.
What do you think??

Peter, NSW, Oz




> Hi
> I have this unusual American made Hammer,so far all the tool collectors 
> that I have shown it to can`t tell me what is was specificly made for , I 
> have taken it to Engine Rallys but no one has yet identified it, is there 
> a list member who knows it`s used for.
> photo on webshots as below
> . thanks
> Brian.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Apr  1 23:02:59 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:02:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Of Topic (Tools)
References: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>
Message-ID: <003401c774ec$9139b2d0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Brian

Also scroll down this site to page 11 of 20:

http://www.kentool.com/ken-tool.pdf

Peter, NSW, Oz






> Hi
> I have this unusual American made Hammer,so far all the tool collectors 
> that I have shown it to can`t tell me what is was specificly made for , I 
> have taken it to Engine Rallys but no one has yet identified it, is there 
> a list member who knows it`s used for.
> photo on webshots as below
> . thanks
> Brian.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 23:45:42 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:45:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
In-Reply-To: <000f01c774e8$743036e0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENIFIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<000f01c774e8$743036e0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704012345i316fc54eo433c3819d20dcb98@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/04/07, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> This mob in Australia have the size I want
> http://www.gmsindustrial.com.au/index.html
>
> $50 per meter, WOW.
> The washers are $3.50ea
>

Mica washers are used on power stud diodes nd they also use Teflon
rings to insulate the studs when they pass through heatsinks etc.
Might be worth looking into your local electronic surplus shop.

In the USA we have some addresses but never looked at anything over your way.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sun Apr  1 23:53:59 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:53:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENIFIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<000f01c774e8$743036e0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <000801c774f3$b20cb280$7a526c3a@Edd>

Hi Peter.Rustic spares or Rally badges stock what you want here in OZ.But 
why don't you use teflon.That is all I have used in building ign for years 
and also in repairs and have not had one failure.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted


> Hi all
>
> This mob in Australia have the size I want
> http://www.gmsindustrial.com.au/index.html
>
> $50 per meter, WOW.
> The washers are $3.50ea
>
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Apr  2 00:00:39 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:00:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENIFIAA.edurand@mchsi.com><000f01c774e8$743036e0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<6f6025160704012345i316fc54eo433c3819d20dcb98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c774f4$9fc50540$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Peter
You have jogged my memory, the TO3 transistor mica insulators would make 
good washers, I have a drawer full of those.

Peter, Oz





> On 02/04/07, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> This mob in Australia have the size I want
>> http://www.gmsindustrial.com.au/index.html
>>
>> $50 per meter, WOW.
>> The washers are $3.50ea
>>
>
> Mica washers are used on power stud diodes nd they also use Teflon
> rings to insulate the studs when they pass through heatsinks etc.
> Might be worth looking into your local electronic surplus shop.
>
> In the USA we have some addresses but never looked at anything over your 
> way.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Apr  2 00:16:58 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:16:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
In-Reply-To: <000801c774f3$b20cb280$7a526c3a@Edd>
Message-ID: <20070402071648.OJZE28252.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I will vote with Edd & Reg for the Teflon. The ignitors Edd has done for me
are still working fine, even with years of abuse. The boys here in Sydney
use Teflon when rebuilding or making their own ignitors (mainly for those
evil English engines).

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

Hi Peter.Rustic spares or Rally badges stock what you want here in OZ.But 
why don't you use teflon.That is all I have used in building ign for years 
and also in repairs and have not had one failure.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
ww.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 23:51:15 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:51:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] HELP AGAIN, FROM JAPAN
In-Reply-To: <927603.10567.qm@web59203.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0703290844330.94118@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<927603.10567.qm@web59203.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704012351i20917918m792099f15a4a13b2@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/04/07, William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> To:  The No. American Lads
>   From: Your man in Japan, Bill Young
>   Re: Magneto coil winder
>
>   I have just received a "Help" signal from a good buddy in Shikoku.  He wants to buy a coil winder  as in magneto coil.  I think a new commercial winder would exceed his budget.  Anybody know of one for sale?  A source? I will be going to USA next month.
>   Thanks,  Bill
>

A commercial coil winder will do the job well. Ours goes down to
0.10mm wire or just under and up to 1.5mm. So much stuff is made out
in the far east these days that a lot of this machinery is being
scrapped. The larger one we have goes up to 3mm diameter wire and we
have a hand winder for multiples of wire at the same time.

We gave two powered winders away a couple of years ago, they came to
us in a batch of machinery when our local transformer guy in Watford
decided to give it up......

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Apr  2 01:10:49 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:10:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Another tool
Message-ID: <000701c774fe$6e396980$e5c30b52@no1>

See http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2892449470028520097EKSMRH
I got this in a box of tools given to me when a cycle shop finished.
It has 3 tools  1 Tapered thread tap
                     2 tapered square 
                     3 broad screwdriver (or looks like one)
I wondered if it was an early gas tool for fitting plugs.
Can anyone recognise a tool like this?
TIA
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From brock at netspeed.com.au  Mon Apr  2 03:25:29 2007
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:25:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
Message-ID: <4610da19.26.68a5.2044539720@netspeed.com.au>

i have been useing teflon for years also never had a problem
regards  Brock
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:53:59 +1000

> Hi Peter.Rustic spares or Rally badges stock what you want
> here in OZ.But  why don't you use teflon.That is all I
> have used in building ign for years  and also in repairs
> and have not had one failure. EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Monday, April 02,
> 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers
> wanted
> 
> 
> > Hi all
> >
> > This mob in Australia have the size I want
> > http://www.gmsindustrial.com.au/index.html
> >
> > $50 per meter, WOW.
> > The washers are $3.50ea
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Peter Lowe
> > R&V Engine Registrar
> > Australia
> > Ph: 61-266453455
> >
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> >
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Apr  2 05:30:39 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:30:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Another tool
Message-ID: <007c01c77522$b93a92f0$0601a8c0@altech>

The tool Dave was showing us is for gas lamps back in the late 1800's early 
1900's.
The tapered tap is for the thread that the lamp screws into. The lamp has a 
tapered thread that matches the hole, you screw the lamp into the taper 
until it is tight.. The tap is for cleaning out the threads.
The tapered square part of the tool is used for reaming out that threaded 
hole if thread stuffs up, in the early days they called them "rimers" 
pronounced the same way as reamer.
The screw driver part is for turning off the gas.
Great old tools, pity they can't talk.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm




>>>> See http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2892449470028520097EKSMRH
>>>> I got this in a box of tools given to me when a cycle shop finished.
>>>> It has 3 tools  1 Tapered thread tap
>>>>                     2 tapered square 3 broad screwdriver (or looks like
>>>> one)
>>>> I wondered if it was an early gas tool for fitting plugs.
>>>> Can anyone recognise a tool like this?
>>>> TIA
>>>> Dave Croft
>>>> Warrington, UK
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 



From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Mon Apr  2 12:10:42 2007
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:10:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Of Topic (Tools)
In-Reply-To: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>
References: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>
Message-ID: <000601c7755a$9f536e60$3464a8c0@Eagle>

	I have a suspicion that some other material was on the end with the
peg. Perhaps it was leather or some other softer material. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:34 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Of Topic (Tools)

Hi
I have this unusual American made Hammer,so far all the tool collectors that
I have shown it to can`t tell me what is was specificly made for , I have
taken it to Engine Rallys but no one has yet identified it, is there a list
member who knows it`s used for.
photo on webshots as below
. thanks
Brian.
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au

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From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Apr  2 13:24:46 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:24:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Of Topic (Tools)
In-Reply-To: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>
References: <000801c774e8$7ca521a0$310b683a@fred>
Message-ID: <4611668E.1090808@telenet.net>

Flooring hammer. But your missing the non marking head that was on the 
tapered stub. Used to install wood flooring. Used in two ways. With a 
setting tool you used it like a heavy mallet to seat the board then hit 
the plunger that drives the edge nails in place. OR used without the 
setter the non marking side tightens the board in place then you flipped 
it and drove the face nails.

Brian Watts wrote:
> Hi 
> I have this unusual American made Hammer,so far all the tool collectors that I have shown it to can`t tell me what is was specificly made for , I have taken it to Engine Rallys but no one has yet identified it, is there a list member who knows it`s used for.
> photo on webshots as below
> . thanks 
> Brian.
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne 
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
> 
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> 
> 

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr  2 14:54:42 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:54:42 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates
Message-ID: <200704022356265.SM01484@new.databak.co.za>

Hi All,
         Sorry to use the list for this but I've at last finished all the 
outstanding brass spec plates that were on order.

         I have written to everyone who has outstanding orders in the last 
few days but have only had 1 reply (from Marvin Brown). In the past I have 
had a few problems getting mail "off list" from some of you - they've been 
filtered out by my ISP's spam filters so I do not know if you have received 
the mail from me or not - alternatively I also do not know if you have 
replied and I have not got your reply.

         If any of you who have ordered spec plates has not received mail 
from me in the last few days, or you have replied to me and not got an 
answer from me then please send again. The eMail address on this post is fine.

         I have set up a rule on my ISP' server that if the Subject line 
contains "Brass spec plates" (cut & paste it without the quotes) then the 
mail will get to my Inbox.

         If you do not receive a reply from me within 24 hours then please 
put a small note to the list (sorry - I do not want to clutter the list up) 
and I'll make another plan to contact you.

         I need some of your postal addresses. Some of those I have sent 
mail to are - Arnie Fero, Larry Anger, Denis Rouleau, Judge Tommy Turner, & 
Glenn Karch) and the guy on the tractor list who asked for anonymity !!

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From philruge at westvic.com.au  Mon Apr  2 17:12:13 2007
From: philruge at westvic.com.au (Phil Ruge@westvic)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:12:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
Message-ID: <BPECJNOIPLEELFLPBFCNKEKFCDAA.philruge@westvic.com.au>

Peter, Patrick, Edd,
I read with interest your comments about using Teflon instead of mica on
ignitors. I had Teflon burn out on me recently at the Portland Bay Vintage
Engine Rally (Feb 2007) and wouldn?t use it again. I have gone back to Mica
and by email order and air post had all the necessary mica parts over from
America to Aus in just under a week and very cheap. I bought from Hitnmiss
( sales at hitnmiss.com <mailto:sales at hitnmiss.com> ).
Phil Ruge
Portland Australia






From wilson at stny.rr.com  Mon Apr  2 18:40:41 2007
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:40:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <4610da19.26.68a5.2044539720@netspeed.com.au>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would like
it.
I can load it for you.
It does not have a blower or starter - but it was supposed to have been in
running shape when I bought it.
I bought it from a local saw mill guy who I know fairly well to put it in my
dump truck - then I sold the truck.

If no one takes me up on it, I'm going to put it in a dumpster with other
steel in a few weeks.
We will be on vacation from 8th to 15th so I can't load it during that
stretch - but I could before or after.

Thanks, Glenn



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Apr  2 17:37:01 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:37:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
References: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <0eb609bf77bac28984411f08006e4792@chartertn.net>

Now there's a deal!

I'm afraid I don't have a use for it or a place to put it, though.

John

On Apr 2, 2007, at 9:40 PM, Glenn Wilson wrote:

> I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would 
> like
> it.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Mon Apr  2 17:42:32 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:42:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
References: <BPECJNOIPLEELFLPBFCNKEKFCDAA.philruge@westvic.com.au>
Message-ID: <000601c77588$f7eb6630$7a526c3a@Edd>

Are you sure you used Teflon?.Over the years I have built over 100 ignitors 
for customers here and have never had one return.All were fitted with 
Teflon.I have about 70 low tension engines and all are fitted with Teflon 
insulation.My 6HP and 10HP Famous engines are throttle gov and I run them 
all the time and at shows they are started in the morning and run non stop 
all day.The 6HP is fitted with battery and Autosparker and the 10 is Webster 
equipped.Neither have ever failed in any way through ignition problems.Also 
all my Mogul ignitors are fitted with teflon and they run real hot,my 6HP is 
used to cut our fire wood and is used at full working speed and has never 
failed in 5 winters of cutting wood.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Ruge at westvic" <philruge at westvic.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted


> Peter, Patrick, Edd,
> I read with interest your comments about using Teflon instead of mica on
> ignitors. I had Teflon burn out on me recently at the Portland Bay Vintage
> Engine Rally (Feb 2007) and wouldn't use it again. I have gone back to 
> Mica
> and by email order and air post had all the necessary mica parts over from
> America to Aus in just under a week and very cheap. I bought from Hitnmiss
> ( sales at hitnmiss.com <mailto:sales at hitnmiss.com> ).
> Phil Ruge
> Portland Australia
>
>
>
>
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From wilson at stny.rr.com  Mon Apr  2 18:59:01 2007
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:59:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <0eb609bf77bac28984411f08006e4792@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOIEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

Damn It! You too ?????
No body wants this thing and I paid $500 for it !!!!!!
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:37 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine


Now there's a deal!

I'm afraid I don't have a use for it or a place to put it, though.

John

On Apr 2, 2007, at 9:40 PM, Glenn Wilson wrote:

> I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would 
> like
> it.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Mon Apr  2 17:59:19 2007
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:59:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
References: <4610da19.26.68a5.2044539720@netspeed.com.au>
	<MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c7758b$51ded350$3464a8c0@Eagle>

It would be nice to know where you are located. It seems to be a common
thing that list members do not indicate where they are. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wilson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine

I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would like
it.
I can load it for you.
It does not have a blower or starter - but it was supposed to have been in
running shape when I bought it.
I bought it from a local saw mill guy who I know fairly well to put it in my
dump truck - then I sold the truck.

If no one takes me up on it, I'm going to put it in a dumpster with other
steel in a few weeks.
We will be on vacation from 8th to 15th so I can't load it during that
stretch - but I could before or after.

Thanks, Glenn

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From wilson at stny.rr.com  Mon Apr  2 19:16:56 2007
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:16:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOIEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFKDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

My day email is glenn.wilson at emersonnetworkpower.com
good night, Glenn
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From wilson at stny.rr.com  Mon Apr  2 19:18:20 2007
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:18:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <001a01c7758b$51ded350$3464a8c0@Eagle>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOGEFKDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

I used to be such an obnoxious SOB on this group (according to some) that
most people knew where I was from. Sorry about that.

Endicott, NY 13760

Thanks, Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bob Willman
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:59 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine


It would be nice to know where you are located. It seems to be a common
thing that list members do not indicate where they are.


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wilson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine

I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would like
it.
I can load it for you.
It does not have a blower or starter - but it was supposed to have been in
running shape when I bought it.
I bought it from a local saw mill guy who I know fairly well to put it in my
dump truck - then I sold the truck.

If no one takes me up on it, I'm going to put it in a dumpster with other
steel in a few weeks.
We will be on vacation from 8th to 15th so I can't load it during that
stretch - but I could before or after.

Thanks, Glenn

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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Apr  2 18:16:40 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:16:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
References: <BPECJNOIPLEELFLPBFCNKEKFCDAA.philruge@westvic.com.au>
	<000601c77588$f7eb6630$7a526c3a@Edd>
Message-ID: <006501c7758d$bdef8ce0$8cd64c0c@D48VHZ61>

I rebuilt my 2hp IHC igniter many years ago with Teflon and it works fine 
still.

John Hall



From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Apr  2 18:31:14 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:31:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOGEFKDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
References: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOGEFKDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4611AE62.1090400@telenet.net>

Glenn, I'll have to check with the Chief and see if he still wants a 
spare for the ALF engine we have.

Glenn Wilson wrote:
> I used to be such an obnoxious SOB on this group (according to some) that
> most people knew where I was from. Sorry about that.
> 
> Endicott, NY 13760
> 
> Thanks, Glenn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bob Willman
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:59 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
> 
> 
> It would be nice to know where you are located. It seems to be a common
> thing that list members do not indicate where they are.
> 
> 
> Bob Willman
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wilson
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:41 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
> 
> I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would like
> it.
> I can load it for you.
> It does not have a blower or starter - but it was supposed to have been in
> running shape when I bought it.
> I bought it from a local saw mill guy who I know fairly well to put it in my
> dump truck - then I sold the truck.
> 
> If no one takes me up on it, I'm going to put it in a dumpster with other
> steel in a few weeks.
> We will be on vacation from 8th to 15th so I can't load it during that
> stretch - but I could before or after.
> 
> Thanks, Glenn
> 


-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York



From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Mon Apr  2 18:43:06 2007
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:43:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Tools
Message-ID: <009401c77591$6e471b50$310b683a@fred>

Thanks Guys,
That was quick identity of Hammer, thanks to all who replied.
Brian.
I have placed photos  of another odd item you may help me to identify,it also has defied recognition so far, see how quick the list takes on this one.photos on webshots under Odd?
Brian and David Watts
Melbourne 
Australia
(03) 97266147
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
briwatt at optusnet.com.au




From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Mon Apr  2 22:37:40 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:37:40 +0100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Tools
In-Reply-To: <009401c77591$6e471b50$310b683a@fred>
Message-ID: <09cd01c775b2$32f76110$8335c53e@doc>

Looks like a device for poking meat into a mincer or grinder to me....

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brian Watts
> Sent: 03 April 2007 02:43
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Tools
> 
> Thanks Guys,
> That was quick identity of Hammer, thanks to all who replied.
> Brian.
> I have placed photos  of another odd item you may help me to 
> identify,it also has defied recognition so far, see how quick 
> the list takes on this one.photos on webshots under Odd?
> Brian and David Watts
> Melbourne 
> Australia
> (03) 97266147
> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr  2 23:34:30 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:34:30 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates
Message-ID: <200704030837812.SM01788@new.databak.co.za>

Hi All,
         Once again, apologies for using the list for this.

         In response to my earlier post Arnie , Larry Anger, Denis 
Rouleau  & Glenn Karch did contact me - and I have replied to all.
         Glenn you forgot to give me your Postal Address.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr  3 07:36:22 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:36:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
References: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031034160.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Glenn,

Why not put it in the Portland ATIS Charity Auction this summer?
That would also give you a nice tax deduction.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Glenn Wilson wrote:

> I have a free Detroit 671 engine to give to the first person who would like
> it.
> I can load it for you.
> It does not have a blower or starter - but it was supposed to have been in
> running shape when I bought it.
> I bought it from a local saw mill guy who I know fairly well to put it in my
> dump truck - then I sold the truck.
>
> If no one takes me up on it, I'm going to put it in a dumpster with other
> steel in a few weeks.
> We will be on vacation from 8th to 15th so I can't load it during that
> stretch - but I could before or after.



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Apr  3 07:31:00 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:31:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Free Detroit 671 engine
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031034160.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOAEFJDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031034160.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0d3fc1738f3e5fdb0a8c9f120805e2b7@chartertn.net>

Now there's an idea!

John

On Apr 3, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Hi Glenn,
>
> Why not put it in the Portland ATIS Charity Auction this summer?
> That would also give you a nice tax deduction.  8-))


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Apr  3 07:45:05 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:45:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates
References: <200704022356265.SM01484@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV22A40C3C7EC08832796EBBB670@phx.gbl>

Hi Jerry..is the one for Arnie the Novo Rollr tag?

Take care and thanks for what you do.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates


> Hi All,
>          Sorry to use the list for this but I've at last finished all the
> outstanding brass spec plates that were on order.
>
>          I have written to everyone who has outstanding orders in the last
> few days but have only had 1 reply (from Marvin Brown). In the past I have
> had a few problems getting mail "off list" from some of you - they've been
> filtered out by my ISP's spam filters so I do not know if you have 
> received
> the mail from me or not - alternatively I also do not know if you have
> replied and I have not got your reply.
>
>          If any of you who have ordered spec plates has not received mail
> from me in the last few days, or you have replied to me and not got an
> answer from me then please send again. The eMail address on this post is 
> fine.
>
>          I have set up a rule on my ISP' server that if the Subject line
> contains "Brass spec plates" (cut & paste it without the quotes) then the
> mail will get to my Inbox.
>
>          If you do not receive a reply from me within 24 hours then please
> put a small note to the list (sorry - I do not want to clutter the list 
> up)
> and I'll make another plan to contact you.
>
>          I need some of your postal addresses. Some of those I have sent
> mail to are - Arnie Fero, Larry Anger, Denis Rouleau, Judge Tommy Turner, 
> &
> Glenn Karch) and the guy on the tractor list who asked for anonymity !!
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787
> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
> Cell: 083 293 7191
> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Apr  3 08:19:22 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:19:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Tools
Message-ID: <20070403.112613.324.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Peter,

>From age 12 - 17, I worked in a meat market.
 
There was a wooden thing used on the meat grinder that looked similar to
that.
 
There was no metal on it - and there was no hole in it.
It was used to push the chunks of meat into the throat of the grinder
so you didn't use your hand and loose your fingers.
 
Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " Traders, Moneylenders and Pimps 
  (_o_)                   are playing their trade in the temple."


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr  3 10:08:55 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:08:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV22A40C3C7EC08832796EBBB670@phx.gbl>
References: <200704022356265.SM01484@new.databak.co.za>
	<BAY113-DAV22A40C3C7EC08832796EBBB670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031303180.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>

Nope.  Arnie's Novo Rollr has its original tags on both
the engine and the Novo factory pump outfit.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/rollr.htm

The tag Jerry made for me is for...
"The Fankhauser"; a vertical, gearless, four-poster.
It's the only example known to exist.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Richard Strobel wrote:

> Hi Jerry..is the one for Arnie the Novo Rollr tag?



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr  3 14:12:33 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:12:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>

$125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
eBay #320096405850




From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Apr  3 14:47:32 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:47:32 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
Message-ID: <d1f.a8a771c.33442574@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/3/2007 4:22:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

$125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....

 
 
The same thing goes for green one cylinder engines!  It is some type of 
"green syndrome"!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Apr  3 14:48:10 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:48:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000301c77639$c5af1e30$0601a8c0@altech>

Would love to know who bought it, would JD be bothered?

Peter, Oz




> $125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
> eBay #320096405850
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Apr  3 15:37:16 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:37:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Scams to watch out for (engines)
Message-ID: <001801c77640$a217ed10$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

This was on Smokstak and it worth keeping an eye out for.

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36762





Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr  3 17:21:16 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:21:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070403192033.04f6e658@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:12 PM 4/3/2007, you wrote:
>$125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
>eBay #320096405850

As someone on the tractor list pointed out "It's one of a kind!"
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr  3 17:22:52 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:22:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <000301c77639$c5af1e30$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<000301c77639$c5af1e30$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070403192215.04ec5d10@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:48 PM 4/3/2007, you wrote:
>Would love to know who bought it, would JD be bothered?
>
>Peter, Oz

Hi Peter, <http://myworld.msn.ebay.com/dggqgi0/>dggqgi0 was the buyer!
         Dave



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  3 16:29:48 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:29:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070403192033.04f6e658@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <957992.34564.qm@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

So is Serial number 2 and so is 3, etc.
  Ron

Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
  At 04:12 PM 4/3/2007, you wrote:
>$125 grand for a green tractor. The mind boggles....
>eBay #320096405850

As someone on the tractor list pointed out "It's one of a kind!"
Dave 

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Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex 
    http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
  " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
   


 
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Apr  3 19:32:41 2007
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:32:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Scams to watch out for (engines)
In-Reply-To: <001801c77640$a217ed10$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <001801c77640$a217ed10$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <20070403233242.85349228456@md5.pennswoods.net>

I had one about like that. It happened about a year ago. I had a oil 
tank for sale for $800.00 was sent a check for $4100.00 he said cash 
and send the difference to his shipper in Italy. Chech came from a 
bank in Philly that did not exist according to my bank. So i did not 
send his shipper any money kept the tank and check. i thought it was 
a scam from the start bad spelling and grammar but player along just for fun.
R Fink
PA




At 08:37 AM 4/4/2007 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all
>
>This was on Smokstak and it worth keeping an eye out for.
>
>http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36762
>
>
>
>
>
>Regards
>Peter Lowe
>R&V Engine Registrar
>Australia
>Ph: 61-266453455
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Apr  3 17:13:07 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:13:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <d1f.a8a771c.33442574@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200704040014.l340EOd9016590@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 2:48 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts

 
In a message dated 4/3/2007 4:22:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

$125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
 
The same thing goes for green one cylinder engines!  It is some type of 
"green syndrome"!
  
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I like to tell the story of the guy who sold stuff at flea markets.  Even
when marked down to 25?, an old toilet seat just wouldn't sell.  Tired of
hauling it around, one night he sprayed it with JD green.  It sold the first
thing the next morning for $50.

:-)

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Tue Apr  3 18:20:24 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:20:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <006001c77657$70205d30$3df04c0c@D48VHZ61>

On behalf of FATG everywhere, thank you for spcifying "green". The rest of 
us just stand back and scratch our heads.

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts


> $125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
> eBay #320096405850
>
> 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 00:13:41 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:13:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704040013o1e9beeces3e6e13e73a146026@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/04/07, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> $125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
> eBay #320096405850
>

?63k for an Otto Crossley a couple of years ago?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Apr  4 04:12:51 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:12:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica tubing and washers wanted
Message-ID: <20070404111216.FSER26413.oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Teflon is cheaper and much more readily available here in Oz than the Mica.
The Teflon is just as (if not more) robust than the Mica and the Teflon is
no where near as prone to develop tracks for the current to earth out on.
The Teflon is also not as fragile as the Mica.

My big throttle governed Stover YC has an Edd rebuilt Webster bracket using
Teflon. It is a throttle governed engine and runs very, very, very hot. The
Webster ignitor gets a hell of a workout with the heat and the constant
actuation (it does not get a rest like on a hit and miss engine). I have had
two return springs fail so far but no problem from the Teflon.

It is not often that I will agree with both Edd & Reg at the same time :-)
but there are few guys who know more about engines & ignitors than they do
so if they both say Teflon there is possibly some truth to it.

 

Patrick M Livingstone

Leichhardt NSW

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ 




From wilson at stny.rr.com  Wed Apr  4 05:48:19 2007
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:48:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reg
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070403192033.04f6e658@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOGEGCDEAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

Reg, are you on this list?

I saw a note on old-engine but for some reason I am unable to respond to it
there.
Thanks, Glenn



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Apr  4 15:35:42 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:35:42 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
Message-ID: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is 
unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help 
would be appreciated!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr  4 15:57:08 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:57:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <001e01c7770c$941c8b40$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US


>I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is 
> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help 
> would be appreciated!
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au 

Hi Peter,I have also sent a DVD to an American friend but it is still in the post!
Is your friend using a computer or a DVD player to try and play it?
I have been told some players will play anything but other players have restrictions.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Apr  4 16:00:40 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:00:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
In-Reply-To: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4f4b1bfa4920e418afd9f8245a651ae5@chartertn.net>

It's surely in PAL format. The video standard in the U.S. is NTSC. I 
think he'll need some sort of converter to watch it. Sort of like 
kilometers and furlongs.

John

On Apr 4, 2007, at 6:35 PM, peter ogborne wrote:

> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He 
> is
> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any 
> help
> would be appreciated!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Apr  4 16:21:30 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:21:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
In-Reply-To: <4f4b1bfa4920e418afd9f8245a651ae5@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <200704042323.l34NMxsK055838@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:01 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US

It's surely in PAL format. The video standard in the U.S. is NTSC. I 
think he'll need some sort of converter to watch it. Sort of like 
kilometers and furlongs.

John

On Apr 4, 2007, at 6:35 PM, peter ogborne wrote:

> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He 
> is
> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any 
> help
> would be appreciated!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

DVD formats are a bag-of-worms mess.  Take a look:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_format

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   






From philruge at westvic.com.au  Wed Apr  4 17:10:34 2007
From: philruge at westvic.com.au (Phil Ruge@westvic)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:10:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
Message-ID: <BPECJNOIPLEELFLPBFCNCEKLCDAA.philruge@westvic.com.au>

I can accept that Teflon should be better than mica but nothing is perfect,
including the hands that do the rebuilding. Maybe the Teflon problem with my
ignitor was the way the Teflon was used in the rebuilding. Will use Edd next
time instead of others. As for cheapness, $5 gets you enough mica to
completely insulate two ignitors.
Phil Ruge
Portland Aus



From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Apr  4 22:08:17 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:08:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
In-Reply-To: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <46148441.9080500@telenet.net>



peter ogborne wrote:
> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is 
> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help 
> would be appreciated!
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

http://www.jakeludington.com/dvd_hacks/20061125_convert_pal_dvd_for_pc_playback.html
http://www.topdrawerdownloads.com/download/104617
for one way.


http://www.eyesofchaos.com/interviews/pal_to_ntsc.html
http://www.vso-software.fr/products/convert_x_to_dvd/
Download the free trial and it will convert it, but it leaves a watermark.

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Thu Apr  5 02:11:57 2007
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:11:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4614BD5D.2030702@wightman.ca>

Trust me Arnie. As a former director of an all green tractor club, you 
have no idea how obsessed these people can be.
Go into their homes and it can be almost frightening.

Duncan

Arnie Fero wrote:

>$125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
>eBay #320096405850
>
>
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>  
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Apr  5 05:11:39 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:11:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46148441.9080500@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c7777b$946bbd40$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks for that Steve ,I'll give it a go . I am just waiting for my friend 
in MO to reply ....he is asking around to see what he can do that end.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US


>
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is
>> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help
>> would be appreciated!
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
> http://www.jakeludington.com/dvd_hacks/20061125_convert_pal_dvd_for_pc_playback.html
> http://www.topdrawerdownloads.com/download/104617
> for one way.
>
>
> http://www.eyesofchaos.com/interviews/pal_to_ntsc.html
> http://www.vso-software.fr/products/convert_x_to_dvd/
> Download the free trial and it will convert it, but it leaves a watermark.
>
> -- 
> Steve W.
> Near Cooperstown, New York
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Apr  5 05:55:26 2007
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:55:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<4614BD5D.2030702@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <000501c77781$afbf8800$5a83fb40@HP28276676518>

I agree with you Duncan, but the scare may not be totally their fault.  I 
have three, no, now only two old unstyled two cylinders.  I have green 
things in the house that I would not have bought, but my extended family 
has.  Clocks, water glasses, knick knack holders etc.  When they come from a 
four year old grandson who finds something in the Dollar store with a green 
tractor logo and says "Granddad needs this." it is a  precious gift and must 
be displayed/used.

I presume more green things are in my future.
Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duncan Denman" <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts


> Trust me Arnie. As a former director of an all green tractor club, you
> have no idea how obsessed these people can be.
> Go into their homes and it can be almost frightening.
>
> Duncan
>
> Arnie Fero wrote:
>
>>$125 grand for a green tractor.  The mind boggles....
>>eBay #320096405850
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
>
> -- 
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> 1:09 PM
>
> 



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Apr  5 07:58:20 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:58:20 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46148441.9080500@telenet.net>
	<000d01c7777b$946bbd40$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <002b01c77792$db200db0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is
>>> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help
>>> would be appreciated!
>>> Peter Ogborne
>>> Little Grove ,Albany
>>> West Australia
>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au


> Thanks for that Steve ,I'll give it a go . I am just waiting for my friend 
> in MO to reply ....he is asking around to see what he can do that end.

Hi Peter, I have found one program that lets me read DVD's on the computer.
I had been told that Power DVD 5 would allow the computer to read them.
I was searching when I thought to look at the CD's that came with my computer.
Power DVD 5 was there & it works well with an English DVD.
I don't have an American DVD to try it on.
The files on the DVD I sent to America are VOB,BUP & IFO files.

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Apr  5 11:50:21 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:50:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
In-Reply-To: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704051442430.77456@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

The most probable source of trouble is the stupid DVD region code.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_region_code

A large number of DVD players ignore the code, but an equally large number
observe it and won't play an "out of region" DVD.

There are a lot of web sites that provide instructions on how to use your
DVD player remote control to "re-program" (i.e. hack) your player to
either ignore the codes or accept a specific code.  Naturally, there's a
high probablity of totally stuffing your player.

I've had really good success playing out of region DVDs on my computer.  I
think the DVD player software tends to be much more "region code
friendly" than the DVD players themselves.

Good luck!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, peter ogborne wrote:

> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is
> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help
> would be appreciated!



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr  5 15:31:01 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:31:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
References: <BPECJNOIPLEELFLPBFCNCEKLCDAA.philruge@westvic.com.au>
Message-ID: <001001c777d2$17079980$0601a8c0@altech>

I have found a source in Melbourne for 1/2" OD x 3/8" ID mica tubing, as 
mentioned by someone yesterday, it only has a 1/16" wall thickness. This is 
not a problem because it is low tension, it will last forever.
I used to work with mica by the truck load, at BHP Steelworks, building 
electrical equipment. Trouble is, that was 25 years ago. ;-))

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm




>I can accept that Teflon should be better than mica but nothing is perfect,
> including the hands that do the rebuilding. Maybe the Teflon problem with 
> my
> ignitor was the way the Teflon was used in the rebuilding. Will use Edd 
> next
> time instead of others. As for cheapness, $5 gets you enough mica to
> completely insulate two ignitors.
> Phil Ruge
> Portland Aus



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Apr  5 16:29:33 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:29:33 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0704051442430.77456@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c777da$47939a60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

That's what i am afraid of Arnie[ stuffing up the DVD player] .I rang the 
help line for the player NEC ,advice I got was to open the disc drawer and 
hit the 0 button 7 times .....that would give me a universal format.
I wonder if my friend in MO can get it transposed in the the US?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US


> G'day Peter,
>
> The most probable source of trouble is the stupid DVD region code.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_region_code
>
> A large number of DVD players ignore the code, but an equally large number
> observe it and won't play an "out of region" DVD.
>
> There are a lot of web sites that provide instructions on how to use your
> DVD player remote control to "re-program" (i.e. hack) your player to
> either ignore the codes or accept a specific code.  Naturally, there's a
> high probablity of totally stuffing your player.
>
> I've had really good success playing out of region DVDs on my computer.  I
> think the DVD player software tends to be much more "region code
> friendly" than the DVD players themselves.
>
> Good luck!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, peter ogborne wrote:
>
>> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is
>> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help
>> would be appreciated!
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Apr  5 16:30:29 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:30:29 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46148441.9080500@telenet.net><000d01c7777b$946bbd40$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<002b01c77792$db200db0$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <001d01c777da$68d31bb0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks Dave ............nothing is simple nowadays!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
>
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>>> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He 
>>>> is
>>>> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any 
>>>> help
>>>> would be appreciated!
>>>> Peter Ogborne
>>>> Little Grove ,Albany
>>>> West Australia
>>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
>> Thanks for that Steve ,I'll give it a go . I am just waiting for my 
>> friend
>> in MO to reply ....he is asking around to see what he can do that end.
>
> Hi Peter, I have found one program that lets me read DVD's on the 
> computer.
> I had been told that Power DVD 5 would allow the computer to read them.
> I was searching when I thought to look at the CD's that came with my 
> computer.
> Power DVD 5 was there & it works well with an English DVD.
> I don't have an American DVD to try it on.
> The files on the DVD I sent to America are VOB,BUP & IFO files.
>
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Apr  5 17:31:47 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:31:47 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
Message-ID: <cd5.c0c5e2a.3346eef3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/5/2007 6:32:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
plowe at exemail.com.au writes:

I used to work with mica by the truck load, at BHP Steelworks, building 
electrical equipment. Trouble is, that was 25 years ago.

 
 
And here all the time Peter I thought you were just a young fellow!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr  5 18:05:19 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:05:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
References: <cd5.c0c5e2a.3346eef3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301c777e7$a51b50d0$0601a8c0@altech>


Hi Tom

I am 54 years young ;-))

Peter, Oz


>
> In a message dated 4/5/2007 6:32:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> plowe at exemail.com.au writes:
>
> I used to work with mica by the truck load, at BHP Steelworks, building
> electrical equipment. Trouble is, that was 25 years ago.
>
>
>
> And here all the time Peter I thought you were just a young fellow!
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Apr  5 19:17:46 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:17:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
In-Reply-To: <000301c777e7$a51b50d0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <cd5.c0c5e2a.3346eef3@aol.com>
	<000301c777e7$a51b50d0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070405211648.04eb9ae0@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:05 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote:

>Hi Tom
>
>I am 54 years young ;-))
>
>Peter, Oz

Damn Peter, you don't look a day over 63!
         Dave 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr  5 18:24:06 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:24:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
References: <cd5.c0c5e2a.3346eef3@aol.com><000301c777e7$a51b50d0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070405211648.04eb9ae0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000301c777ea$456d92d0$0601a8c0@altech>


> At 08:05 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
> 
>>Hi Tom
>>
>>I am 54 years young ;-))
>>
>>Peter, Oz
> 
> Damn Peter, you don't look a day over 63!
>         Dave 



Tell me about it Dave ;-(((
Peter



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Apr  6 12:27:44 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:27:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
Message-ID: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of an EK.
 I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  So..
could someone give me the values of resistance between the different
points.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr  6 16:20:41 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:20:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Mica Tubing and washers
Message-ID: <c2e.12b1d25e.33482fc9@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/5/2007 9:12:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
plowe at exemail.com.au writes:

I am 54 years young ;-))

 
I guess I was right after all since I have 9 years on you!  Not sure how many 
Dave has on me, but I think it is a lot!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Apr  6 21:08:50 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:08:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
Message-ID: <20070406.210851.272.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
The chart says my Blackstone engine runs on residual oil, what is
residual oil?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From nick at holden1.net  Sat Apr  7 01:12:52 2007
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:12:52 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
References: <20070406.210851.272.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <46175284.000001.03056@YOUR-447023AE6B>

Good morning Ron
 
Have a look hear 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil
 
 
 
Nick
Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: rdhaskell at juno.com
Date: 04/07/07 05:13:29
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
 
Hi all.
The chart says my Blackstone engine runs on residual oil, what is
residual oil?
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 01:10:25 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:10:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
In-Reply-To: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704070110m4cb12e18mdcdcc74a77e6e82d@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/04/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of an EK.
>  I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  So..
> could someone give me the values of resistance between the different
> points.  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell

There are tables are on our website:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagCapMenu.htm

and the EK service manual is at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagData5.htm

Peter
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From don.h at wcoil.com  Sat Apr  7 06:12:03 2007
From: don.h at wcoil.com (don.)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:12:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
References: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6f6025160704070110m4cb12e18mdcdcc74a77e6e82d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001601c77916$55edfcd0$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498>

Thank you for putting this information on your web page Just what I needed 
to get my mag timed a little better.Don
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico magneto


> On 06/04/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
>> Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of an EK.
>>  I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  So..
>> could someone give me the values of resistance between the different
>> points.  Thanks.
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>
> There are tables are on our website:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagCapMenu.htm
>
> and the EK service manual is at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagData5.htm
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Apr  7 07:20:23 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:20:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
References: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <008d01c7791f$e1e7f250$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Ron,
The individual coil resistance should be 1.4 Amps, according to my Wico 
manual
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto


> Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of an EK.
> I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  So..
> could someone give me the values of resistance between the different
> points.  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
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> 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 06:54:19 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:54:19 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
In-Reply-To: <001601c77916$55edfcd0$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498>
References: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6f6025160704070110m4cb12e18mdcdcc74a77e6e82d@mail.gmail.com>
	<001601c77916$55edfcd0$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704070654w4c680b66h3171733fcd857421@mail.gmail.com>

On 07/04/07, don. <don.h at wcoil.com> wrote:
> Thank you for putting this information on your web page Just what I needed
> to get my mag timed a little better.Don

Glad it was of some use, Don.

Peter
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Apr  7 08:04:01 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:04:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
In-Reply-To: <20070406.210851.272.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070406.210851.272.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6abe88206e913743736e8c336ada2623@chartertn.net>

In short, residual oil is what's left in the bottom of the 
fractionating still. Doesn't boil at the temperature and pressure used 
in the still. To vaporize in your engine, it has to "crack" from the 
heat into lighter molecules that can vaporize. The same is true of 
fatty oils, which are "fixed" and can't be distilled.

John

On Apr 7, 2007, at 12:08 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Hi all.
> The chart says my Blackstone engine runs on residual oil, what is
> residual oil?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Apr  7 09:14:19 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 18:14:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Wood gas producer/wood chipper info needed please
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         A friend of mine (no internet) is building a "wood gas producer" 
to run an engine off (small engine - 3 HP) and is looking for information. 
The plans he is working off are from the net but I do not know which site 
but the one he is trying to copy runs a John Deere tractor and uses wood chips.
         He has progressed pretty far with the unit and will probably be 
able to give it a trial run within a week.
         I'm looking for any additional information (or Internet sites) to 
help him.

         The one thing that I would really like to find is plans for a home 
built "wood chipper". Probably one that runs off a tractor P.T.O. and uses 
a heavy flywheel with "teeth" (maybe Tungsten) to chip the wood. We have a 
lot of green wood available (mostly Eucalyptus) from twig size up to 
branches of about 3" (and even bigger).

         In the USA wood chippers seem to be pretty common but we do not 
have them in South Africa so information is limited. His Tractor is a 60 HP 
Landini but I would prefer something that would run off about 30 or 35 HP 
(then I could also build one for my Massey Ferguson 35 to make compost with).

         Thanks in advance for any information and have a good holiday weekend.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Apr  7 09:50:25 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:50:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wood gas producer/wood chipper info needed please
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV11C6039B3FEDB85DB3C7C7BB5B0@phx.gbl>

Here's one Jerry :

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Green-Transportation/1974-05-01/Producer-Gas-Vehicles.aspx

but you knew that already.

Do a Google for

plans for building producer gas

lots of hits.

Rick










----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:14 AM
Subject: [SEL] Wood gas producer/wood chipper info needed please


> Hi Guys,
>          A friend of mine (no internet) is building a "wood gas producer"
> to run an engine off (small engine - 3 HP) and is looking for information.
> The plans he is working off are from the net but I do not know which site
> but the one he is trying to copy runs a John Deere tractor and uses wood 
> chips.
>          He has progressed pretty far with the unit and will probably be
> able to give it a trial run within a week.
>          I'm looking for any additional information (or Internet sites) to
> help him.
>
>          The one thing that I would really like to find is plans for a 
> home
> built "wood chipper". Probably one that runs off a tractor P.T.O. and uses
> a heavy flywheel with "teeth" (maybe Tungsten) to chip the wood. We have a
> lot of green wood available (mostly Eucalyptus) from twig size up to
> branches of about 3" (and even bigger).
>
>          In the USA wood chippers seem to be pretty common but we do not
> have them in South Africa so information is limited. His Tractor is a 60 
> HP
> Landini but I would prefer something that would run off about 30 or 35 HP
> (then I could also build one for my Massey Ferguson 35 to make compost 
> with).
>
>          Thanks in advance for any information and have a good holiday 
> weekend.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787
> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
> Cell: 083 293 7191
> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Apr  7 10:41:03 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:41:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
Message-ID: <20070407.104103.2080.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Peter.
But what do I do If I don't have an Eisman Coil Tester?
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:10:25 +0100 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
writes:
> On 06/04/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> > Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of 
> an EK.
> >  I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  
> So..
> > could someone give me the values of resistance between the 
> different
> > points.  Thanks.
> >
> > Ron Haskell
> 
> There are tables are on our website:
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagCapMenu.htm
> 
> and the EK service manual is at:
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagData5.htm
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Apr  7 10:28:52 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:28:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
Message-ID: <20070407.102903.2080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Thanks Nick and all who responded.  That brings up the next question;
what do I run the engine on now when I get it to the point of running?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:12:52 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) "Nick Holden"
<nick at holden1.net> writes:
> Good morning Ron
>  
> Have a look hear 
>  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil
>  
>  
>  
> Nick
> Banbury (UK)
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Apr  7 12:38:39 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:38:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
In-Reply-To: <20070407.104103.2080.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

Doesn't EVERYONE have an Eisemann coil tester???

What I'd do would be to make my own tester.  A 6 Volt battery, a doorbell button and an auto condenser should do.

- Hook the negative battery lead to one of the coil primary leads.
- Hook the positive battery lead to one of the terminals of the doorbell button -and- one lead of the condenser.
- Hook the other doorbell button terminal to the other lead of the condenser -and- the other coil primary lead.
- Rig a piece of wire (or whatever) from the high-tension terminal of the coil and route it so it is spaced about an eighth of an inch from the negative battery lead. 

Everything set?  Now, tap the doorbell button.  You should get a nice strong spark at the gap. 

You could also test the Wico condenser with this rig by substituting the Wico condenser for the auto condenser and checking for spark. 

Should work.........no guarantee.........

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:41 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico magneto
> 
> 
> Thanks Peter.
> But what do I do If I don't have an Eisman Coil Tester?
>  
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Apr  7 13:55:00 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:55:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
In-Reply-To: <20070407.102903.2080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEECFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

Whut engine?  If it's spark ignition, I use the cheap version of Coleman fuel, called Ozark brand at Wally World.  It is Naptha with an octane around 50.  Works great in old engines, doesn't turn to crud if left and the exhaust smells old-fashioned.

If it's one that's supposed to run on residual oil, it may run fine on number 2 Diesel, available at any truck stop, etc.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:29 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Residual Oil?
> 
> 
>  Thanks Nick and all who responded.  That brings 
> up the next question;
> what do I run the engine on now when I get it to 
> the point of running?
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:12:52 +0100 (GMT Standard 
> Time) "Nick Holden"
> <nick at holden1.net> writes:
> > Good morning Ron
> >  
> > Have a look hear 
> >  
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Nick
> > Banbury (UK)
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Apr  7 14:33:27 2007
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  7 Apr 2007 17:33:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1175981607.46180e27c5ec6@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Elden,

And with just a tiny bit of re-wiring it would be JUST the thing for those
annoying door-to-door Bible thumpers!!  Talk about your basic "joy buzzer."  
8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:

> Doesn't EVERYONE have an Eisemann coil tester???
> 
> What I'd do would be to make my own tester.  A 6 Volt battery, a doorbell
> button and an auto condenser should do.
> 
> - Hook the negative battery lead to one of the coil primary leads.
> - Hook the positive battery lead to one of the terminals of the doorbell
> button -and- one lead of the condenser.
> - Hook the other doorbell button terminal to the other lead of the condenser
> -and- the other coil primary lead.
> - Rig a piece of wire (or whatever) from the high-tension terminal of the
> coil and route it so it is spaced about an eighth of an inch from the
> negative battery lead. 
> 
> Everything set?  Now, tap the doorbell button.  You should get a nice strong
> spark at the gap. 
> 
> You could also test the Wico condenser with this rig by substituting the Wico
> condenser for the auto condenser and checking for spark. 




From bboyce at swat.coop  Sat Apr  7 17:54:04 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:54:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] bead blasting valve stems
In-Reply-To: <1175981607.46180e27c5ec6@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<1175981607.46180e27c5ec6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <741DEB8F99C64D8FAF52DB089BE79A0B@billPC>

whats the rule on cleaning up automotive valve stems ? seems like i remember 
someone saying not to bead blast them,,,, i've seen machine shops chuck em 
up in a lathe and use emery cloth,,,, i dont have access to a vibratory 
cleaner,,,,,,,, any ideas ?
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer. 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Apr  7 17:02:22 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:02:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] bead blasting valve stems
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com><1175981607.46180e27c5ec6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<741DEB8F99C64D8FAF52DB089BE79A0B@billPC>
Message-ID: <000301c77971$2eb88b20$0601a8c0@altech>

Bill, I would just light emery polish the stems or use a wire wheel on your 
grinder, good as anything.

Some people are hell bent on bead blasting everything, in some cases 
destroying the original object.
I really hate it when you go to a swap meet and the seller has bead blasted 
everything to make it look clean. I collect Stanley planes and some sellers 
bead blast the whole plane rendering it of NO value to me or any other 
collector.

Polish the stems, grind the valve faces and seats and put it back together.

My $0.02 worth
Peter, Oz



> whats the rule on cleaning up automotive valve stems ? seems like i 
> remember
> someone saying not to bead blast them,,,, i've seen machine shops chuck em
> up in a lathe and use emery cloth,,,, i dont have access to a vibratory
> cleaner,,,,,,,, any ideas ?
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Apr  7 17:32:02 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:32:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
Message-ID: <20070407.173202.2028.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Elden.
It is this engine:

"According the Blackstone & Co records your engine number 170885 is a
type JSI spring injection engine of 6 hp. It was the smallest spring
injection engine the firm built. It runs, or it will when you have
restored it, at 360 rpm. It has a bore of 5.248 inches. It was tested on
27th October 1929 and supplied to W. H. Cullington of Buenos Aires.
Cullington was a long standing agent in Argentina for Blackstone's. Any
idea how it came to be in Nebraska?

There were three sizes of flywheel available depending on the cyclic
variation. I am not quite sure what that means but, a for a variation of
-
1/20th the flywheel was 3feet 3 inches x 4 inches; 
1/40th it was 3ft 9in x 4?in;
1/80th it was 4ft 6in x 5in.
I don't know if that helps!

Let me know if you need any other help. I may be able to help."

Best wishes,

Michael Key.
The Blackstone Collection.
......................................
It is suposed to run on residual oil.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:55:00 -0500 "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
writes:
> Ron:
> 
> Whut engine?  If it's spark ignition, I use the cheap version of 
> Coleman fuel, called Ozark brand at Wally World.  It is Naptha with 
> an octane around 50.  Works great in old engines, doesn't turn to 
> crud if left and the exhaust smells old-fashioned.
> 
> If it's one that's supposed to run on residual oil, it may run fine 
> on number 2 Diesel, available at any truck stop, etc.
> 
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Apr  7 19:03:33 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:03:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
In-Reply-To: <20070407.173202.2028.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEEHFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron & Michael:

I bet it will run fine on either #2 or #1 Diesel.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 07:32 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Residual Oil?
> 
> 
> Hi Elden.
> It is this engine:
> 
> "According the Blackstone & Co records your 
> engine number 170885 is a
> type JSI spring injection engine of 6 hp. It was 
> the smallest spring
> injection engine the firm built. It runs, or it 
> will when you have
> restored it, at 360 rpm. It has a bore of 5.248 
> inches. It was tested on
> 27th October 1929 and supplied to W. H. 
> Cullington of Buenos Aires.
> Cullington was a long standing agent in Argentina 
> for Blackstone's. Any
> idea how it came to be in Nebraska?
> 
> There were three sizes of flywheel available 
> depending on the cyclic
> variation. I am not quite sure what that means 
> but, a for a variation of
> -
> 1/20th the flywheel was 3feet 3 inches x 4 inches; 
> 1/40th it was 3ft 9in x 4=in;
> 1/80th it was 4ft 6in x 5in.
> I don't know if that helps!
> 
> Let me know if you need any other help. I may be 
> able to help."
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Michael Key.
> The Blackstone Collection.
> ......................................
> It is suposed to run on residual oil.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:55:00 -0500 "Elden DuRand" 
> <edurand at mchsi.com>
> writes:
> > Ron:
> > 
> > Whut engine?  If it's spark ignition, I use the 
> cheap version of 
> > Coleman fuel, called Ozark brand at Wally 
> World.  It is Naptha with 
> > an octane around 50.  Works great in old 
> engines, doesn't turn to 
> > crud if left and the exhaust smells old-fashioned.
> > 
> > If it's one that's supposed to run on residual 
> oil, it may run fine 
> > on number 2 Diesel, available at any truck stop, etc.
> > 
> > Take care - Elden
> > edurand at mchsi.com
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
> 




From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sat Apr  7 18:05:23 2007
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:05:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
References: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<008d01c7791f$e1e7f250$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <00a801c77979$fd08bb00$caf5f504@Ed>

Hum,

Resistance is measured in Ohms and current in Amps.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico magneto


> Ron,
> The individual coil resistance should be 1.4 Amps, according to my Wico
> manual
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:27 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
>
>
>> Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of an EK.
>> I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  So..
>> could someone give me the values of resistance between the different
>> points.  Thanks.
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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>>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 01:01:40 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:01:40 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
In-Reply-To: <20070406.210851.272.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070406.210851.272.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704070101m34a0b9efy124a97c9360738eb@mail.gmail.com>

On 07/04/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
> The chart says my Blackstone engine runs on residual oil, what is
> residual oil?
>
> Ron Haskell

There were many types of oils available to run these engines on, and
'residual' oil is one of them.

It's a description of an oil that was a by-product of the main oil
refining process, I'll have a look tonight when I get back home and
see what the old books tell me.

Residual oil can also be used to describe other types of oil, which
makes it a bit confusing, I think that 'Shale' oils come into this
category.

These engines were built in the days when diesel oil/fuel was not
generally available, if at all, and petrol costs for big engines was a
lot of money, as were gas producer plants.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Apr  8 00:06:48 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:06:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
In-Reply-To: <20070407.173202.2028.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070407.173202.2028.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704080006wa9e0332ta18df78d9a0deff1@mail.gmail.com>

On 08/04/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:

> There were three sizes of flywheel available depending on the cyclic
> variation. I am not quite sure what that means but, a for a variation of
> -
> 1/20th the flywheel was 3feet 3 inches x 4 inches;
> 1/40th it was 3ft 9in x 4?in;
> 1/80th it was 4ft 6in x 5in.
> I don't know if that helps!
>

The 'Cyclic Variation' of an engine is the amount of speed change per
revolution caused by the firing stroke compared with the steady state
speed.

Thus the larger flywheel gives less variation than the smaller ones.

Generating sets sold by most UK companies including Lister gave Cyclic
Variation figures for most of their engines, companies such as Ruston
& Hornsby made engines with what were called  'Electric Flywheels" for
electricity generation sets.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Apr  8 05:16:39 2007
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:16:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Residual Oil?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160704080006wa9e0332ta18df78d9a0deff1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070407.173202.2028.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6f6025160704080006wa9e0332ta18df78d9a0deff1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aeb5a321e1d92ee8877ff9b376928cfb@chartertn.net>


On Apr 8, 2007, at 3:06 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> companies such as Ruston
> & Hornsby made engines with what were called  'Electric Flywheels" for
> electricity generation sets.

As did Fairbanks-Morse. My little oilfield ZC52 has the heavy flywheels 
they used on the electric generating version.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 21:41:31 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:41:31 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
In-Reply-To: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704042141r4a6f4f4hbee3a1f5b2ddb8e7@mail.gmail.com>

On 04/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is
> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help
> would be appreciated!
> Peter Ogborne

If the DVD is played on a PC, then it's not normally a problem as the
TV element is not specific (PAL against NTSC or SECAM)

Plenty of DVD player programmes on the net, or you can get DVD players
that can be set to play one or the other. We bought a DVD player in
the States a couple of years ago on one of our visits, it could be set
up to play PAL or NTSC on the remote control. We also found a 'hack'
on the web to make it 'Region-Free' so we can play any region DVD's on
it.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Apr  8 06:52:47 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 06:52:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
References: <20070407.104103.2080.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <00c401c779e5$33a40f50$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Send it to me. I'll test it for you, all it's cost is the postage.....

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico magneto


> Thanks Peter.
> But what do I do If I don't have an Eisman Coil Tester?
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:10:25 +0100 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> writes:
>> On 06/04/07, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
>> > Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of 
>> an EK.
>> >  I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  
>> So..
>> > could someone give me the values of resistance between the 
>> different
>> > points.  Thanks.
>> >
>> > Ron Haskell
>> 
>> There are tables are on our website:
>> 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagCapMenu.htm
>> 
>> and the EK service manual is at:
>> 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magnetos/MagData5.htm
>> 
>> Peter
>> -- 
>> Peter A Forbes
>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
>



From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Apr  8 07:05:59 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 07:05:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <00cb01c779e7$099d52a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Mine is not an Eisemann, it's a Makelim.  What I did prior to the tester was 
usie an old base mount Bosch mag off a Caterpillar pony motor.  I cut the 
aluminum top off at the coil location, discarded the front cover, installed 
a good set of points and new condenser. Set the coil to be tested over the 
exposed magnets, connect the leads and use an insulated screwdriver to gauge 
the length of spark jump to the mag casing.  I spun it with a 3/8 hand drill 
chucked to the armature.  Worked fine for a long while. But, what I did find 
after getting the tester and using their values that a coil that looked good 
on the Bosch wasn't up to snuff according to the Makelim tester.  I found if 
the given value is exceeded, the coil has a hard time creating enough spark 
to fire the plugs.
Dave
Liked your idea also.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico magneto


> Ron:
>
> Doesn't EVERYONE have an Eisemann coil tester???
>
> What I'd do would be to make my own tester.  A 6 Volt battery, a doorbell 
> button and an auto condenser should do.
>
> - Hook the negative battery lead to one of the coil primary leads.
> - Hook the positive battery lead to one of the terminals of the doorbell 
> button -and- one lead of the condenser.
> - Hook the other doorbell button terminal to the other lead of the 
> condenser -and- the other coil primary lead.
> - Rig a piece of wire (or whatever) from the high-tension terminal of the 
> coil and route it so it is spaced about an eighth of an inch from the 
> negative battery lead.
>
> Everything set?  Now, tap the doorbell button.  You should get a nice 
> strong spark at the gap.
>
> You could also test the Wico condenser with this rig by substituting the 
> Wico condenser for the auto condenser and checking for spark.
>
> Should work.........no guarantee.........
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:41 PM
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico magneto
>>
>>
>> Thanks Peter.
>> But what do I do If I don't have an Eisman Coil Tester?
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
>
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>
> 




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Apr  8 09:23:18 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:23:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto
References: <20070406.122744.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001201c779fa$3917e280$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: [SEL] Wico magneto


> Hi all.  I have misplaced the information on checking the coils of an EK.
> I know I have them somewhere because I have used them before.  So..
> could someone give me the values of resistance between the different
> points.  Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell

Hi Ron, If you decide you have coil problems don't forget there is the 
modern materials single coil version with a better spark.
I tried one & it works well. (I have old ones as well)
See http://www.magnetoparts.com/wico_ek.htm
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr  8 12:42:35 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:42:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Putting Videos on PowerPoint OT
Message-ID: <005c01c77a16$0ef7d2a0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Need to talk to someone about how to copy a short video from Adobe Flash Player into a PowerPoint Display for a school presentation. Thanks

Paul



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Apr  8 15:55:14 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:55:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Putting Videos on PowerPoint OT
References: <005c01c77a16$0ef7d2a0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <000b01c77a30$f8d165c0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi PAul
There are plenty of sights on the NET.

http://www.amarasoftware.com/tutorials/importpowerpoint.html

http://www.mix-fx.com/tutorials/importpowerpoint.html

http://www.brainybetty.com/HowtoInsertFlashinPPT.viewlet/HowtoInsertFlashinPPT_launcher.html

Peter, Oz







> Need to talk to someone about how to copy a short video from Adobe Flash 
> Player into a PowerPoint Display for a school presentation. Thanks
>
> Paul
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Apr  8 16:20:15 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 07:20:15 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US
References: <000f01c77709$97886d60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6f6025160704042141r4a6f4f4hbee3a1f5b2ddb8e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c77a34$7a76c2c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks Peter....we'll keep trying.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...DVD,playable in the US


> On 04/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
>> I have sent a DVD recorded here in Australia to a friend in the US .He is
>> unable to play it ,the message being that it is the wrong format.Any help
>> would be appreciated!
>> Peter Ogborne
>
> If the DVD is played on a PC, then it's not normally a problem as the
> TV element is not specific (PAL against NTSC or SECAM)
>
> Plenty of DVD player programmes on the net, or you can get DVD players
> that can be set to play one or the other. We bought a DVD player in
> the States a couple of years ago on one of our visits, it could be set
> up to play PAL or NTSC on the remote control. We also found a 'hack'
> on the web to make it 'Region-Free' so we can play any region DVD's on
> it.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Apr  8 20:28:02 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 22:28:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shill Bidding!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070408222732.051e50e8@mail.alltel.net>

Want to see some SHILL BIDDING at it's best? Check this out: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120104459393
	Dave 



From mickdema at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  9 03:40:23 2007
From: mickdema at yahoo.com (Mick Demaria)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 03:40:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Wood gas producer/wood chipper info needed please
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070407175213.00a86dc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <702670.80850.qm@web55902.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

 Hi Jerry:
 Have you considered using pellet fuel or ground up
corn cobs? I have had pretty good luck with stove
pellets. I can run a small generator all weeekend on
one bag. 
 Here are some links to the unit I built and some
producer gas info sites.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/wdgas/

http://www.oldengine.org/members/tvf/pics/ShowPicsWeb/MVC-033F.html

http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/executive_summary.shtml

http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_listserv.repp.org

http://www.fluidynenz.250x.com/mdf/mdf.html

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WoodGas/


  Mick


  
--- Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>          A friend of mine (no internet) is building
> a "wood gas producer" 
> to run an engine off (small engine - 3 HP) and is
> looking for information. 
> The plans he is working off are from the net but I
> do not know which site 
> but the one he is trying to copy runs a John Deere
> tractor and uses wood chips.
>          He has progressed pretty far with the unit
> and will probably be 
> able to give it a trial run within a week.
>          I'm looking for any additional information
> (or Internet sites) to 
> help him.
> 
>          The one thing that I would really like to
> find is plans for a home 
> built "wood chipper". Probably one that runs off a
> tractor P.T.O. and uses 
> a heavy flywheel with "teeth" (maybe Tungsten) to
> chip the wood. We have a 
> lot of green wood available (mostly Eucalyptus) from
> twig size up to 
> branches of about 3" (and even bigger).
> 
>          In the USA wood chippers seem to be pretty
> common but we do not 
> have them in South Africa so information is limited.
> His Tractor is a 60 HP 
> Landini but I would prefer something that would run
> off about 30 or 35 HP 
> (then I could also build one for my Massey Ferguson
> 35 to make compost with).
> 
>          Thanks in advance for any information and
> have a good holiday weekend.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787
> Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
> Cell: 083 293 7191
> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans  
> 
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>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr  9 11:01:44 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:01:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Wood gas producer/wood chipper info needed please
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1176134402.13842.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070409195306.00b06698@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 09/04/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 03:40:23 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Mick Demaria <mickdema at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Wood gas producer/wood chipper info needed please
>
>  Hi Jerry:
>  Have you considered using pellet fuel or ground up
>corn cobs? I have had pretty good luck with stove
>pellets. I can run a small generator all weeekend on
>one bag.
>  Here are some links to the unit I built and some
>producer gas info sites.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/wdgas/
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/tvf/pics/ShowPicsWeb/MVC-033F.html
>
>http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/executive_summary.shtml
>
>http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_listserv.repp.org
>
>http://www.fluidynenz.250x.com/mdf/mdf.html
>
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WoodGas/
>
>
>   Mick
>
>
>
>--- Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >          A friend of mine (no internet) is building
> > a "wood gas producer"


Hi Mick,
         Thanks for the info and links.

         Since the first post I have established that the producer he is 
building is the same as yours - ie. from: 
<http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/index.shtml>.

         Your site seems to have a lot of info but I have not the time 
right now to go through it all but will do so soon (with my friend).

         Expect more mail (and questions) from me as soon as he gets the 
thing going :-).

         Thanks very much for your reply.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Tue Apr 10 02:23:20 2007
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:23:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <000501c77781$afbf8800$5a83fb40@HP28276676518>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>	<4614BD5D.2030702@wightman.ca>
	<000501c77781$afbf8800$5a83fb40@HP28276676518>
Message-ID: <461B5788.7040604@wightman.ca>

You are right Gary. Many years ago, my mother got it into her head that 
I collected shot glasses and people were always picking them up for me.
My five year old daughter is always pointing things out to me that she 
thinks I should have as well. :-)

Duncan

Gary Epps wrote:

>I agree with you Duncan, but the scare may not be totally their fault.  I 
>have three, no, now only two old unstyled two cylinders.  I have green 
>things in the house that I would not have bought, but my extended family 
>has.  Clocks, water glasses, knick knack holders etc.  When they come from a 
>four year old grandson who finds something in the Dollar store with a green 
>tractor logo and says "Granddad needs this." it is a  precious gift and must 
>be displayed/used.
>
>I presume more green things are in my future.
>Gary
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Duncan Denman" <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
>
>
>  
>
>  
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Apr 10 05:21:13 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:21:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
In-Reply-To: <461B5788.7040604@wightman.ca>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0704031711100.56893@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<4614BD5D.2030702@wightman.ca>
	<000501c77781$afbf8800$5a83fb40@HP28276676518>
	<461B5788.7040604@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <3551.165.206.180.53.1176207673.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

My wife quit collecting "owls" for this very reason. Like she said, her
tastes in owl things sure didn't match others's tastes. So she likes cat
stuff, after getting things from a few folks, she quit saying anything to
anyone about what she likes or would decorate with - she'd rather buy her
how.
I liked the owl things too - however, there are things that look like
owls, then hideous renditions of the poor feathered creature.

Barbara is making a "tractor quilt" for her aunt to give as a gift to
someone. The pattern included applique tractors (green and yellow, so I
supposed JD). She was not impressed, so she got a great embroidery pattern
for her new embroidery machine and did some blocks for the quilt with
that. She sent a few samples of each to her aunt. It was no contest!
The original embroidery pattern also had some sort of weird colors chosen
for certain parts. she knew of my love of tractors, so we changed a few
colors and now it's a decent looking tractor design. Some lucky kid will
have a green, yellow and white quilt with 30 4" x 6" green/yellow tractors
machine embroidered on it. See how tastes can vary..........  ;-)
I did explain that even though it was the WRONG color tractor, I would
help her with it. Red would have been much better.


Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4 coming soon
http://theamcpages.com

> You are right Gary. Many years ago, my mother got it into her head that
> I collected shot glasses and people were always picking them up for me.
> My five year old daughter is always pointing things out to me that she
> thinks I should have as well. :-)
>
> Duncan
>
> Gary Epps wrote:
>
>>I agree with you Duncan, but the scare may not be totally their fault.  I
>>have three, no, now only two old unstyled two cylinders.  I have green
>>things in the house that I would not have bought, but my extended family
>>has.  Clocks, water glasses, knick knack holders etc.  When they come
>> from a
>>four year old grandson who finds something in the Dollar store with a
>> green
>>tractor logo and says "Granddad needs this." it is a  precious gift and
>> must
>>be displayed/used.
>>
>>I presume more green things are in my future.
>>Gary
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Duncan Denman" <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:11 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Green Tractor People are Nuts
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net  Tue Apr 10 05:25:57 2007
From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:25:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Thank You
Message-ID: <006301c77b6b$64647210$3a52bc4c@pengy>

I just wanted to thank the SEL and ATIS for the contribution to the Tod Engine Foundation from the Charity Auction.  I haven't been posting on the SEL for a while but we are still making progress on the restoration of the Tod Engine.

First of all, for those not familiar, the Tod Engine is a 250 ton stationary steam engine that members of the SEL saved from scrap in 1996-97. It was removed from a steel plant in Youngstown and is now safe and sound on our own site where it is being reassembled.

The big project for this year is the enginehouse building.  My architect is working on plans for a 40' x 80' pole building which will house the engine (just barely) and protect it while its being restored. I already have most of the building materials on hand, I'm just waiting for the plans and permits so I can start construction. 

In keeping with the general theme of our museum I decided that we would attempt to produce our own electricity instead of connecting to the grid. To this end I purchased a Listeroid 6/1and a 10KW single phase alternator. As soon as the weather gets warm I will pour a concrete foundation for the genset inside a 10' x 12' shed which will become our powerhouse.  Yes I know a 6/1 will not generate 10KW but by using the larger alternator it will be easier to start heavier motor loads and will allow me to upgrade to a larger engine in the future without buying a new alternator.

Three phase power will be supplied by an ex military 10KW genset which produces 208VAC. Three phase will only be needed for a 35 foot span, 5 ton gantry crane which we purchased at an auction a couple of months ago. 

Our museum has shifted its focus toward the iron and steel industry and away from stationary steam power which was our focus earlier.  We have been the lucky recipient of a donation of a hot metal car from Pittsburgh and two diesel locomotives from Ellwood Engineered Castings in Hubbard. This equipment will be moved to the museum site sometime this year.

As usual there is never enough money to go around so progress is slow going.  However contributions such as the ATIS Auction proceeds certainly provide a needed shot in the arm, especially in the spring when work at the museum site is ramping up.

Thanks again for everyone's help and if you find yourself passing through NE Ohio on I-80 goint to Portland or Coolspring please stop by and see the mighty Tod.  We are just 5 minutes off of I-80 from the Hubbard Exit. 


Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH 44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Wed Apr 11 12:15:38 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:15:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts
Message-ID: <000c01c77c6d$ccb34a50$6cac123f@D8LJ7K91>

Hi:

Do any of you out there know where to look for obsolete new or used Wisconsin THD parts?  We need the drive gears for the distributor.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 11 16:06:24 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:06:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <000501c77c8e$07c32be0$7a526c3a@Edd>


EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Apr 11 16:16:27 2007
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:16:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <bc0.fb91e0e.334ec64b@aol.com>

Message received in California on 04-11-2007 at 4:13 PM   

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, Ca




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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Wed Apr 11 18:55:31 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:55:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts
References: <000c01c77c6d$ccb34a50$6cac123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <009901c77ca5$a7a8bcd0$b6f14c0c@D48VHZ61>

I'm assuming they are no longer available from Wisconsin. Can their dealers 
do a search to see if another dealer has them on the shelf? I know farm 
equipment dealers do this quite often. Another thought is to contact a 
couple of dealers and see if they have a couple of junk engines sitting 
around. If they are like the dealer dad worked for they rarely threw 
anything away that could be robbed to get somebody going if new parts 
weren't available.


I logged onto wisconsin.com and was quite surprised that you can download 
parts books for free.

John Hall
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts


> Hi:
>
> Do any of you out there know where to look for obsolete new or used 
> Wisconsin THD parts?  We need the drive gears for the distributor.
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
> 


From nick at holden1.net  Wed Apr 11 23:33:55 2007
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:33:55 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000501c77c8e$07c32be0$7a526c3a@Edd>
Message-ID: <461DD2D3.000001.02288@YOUR-447023AE6B>

Got you hear at 00.13Hrs
 
 
Nick
Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Edd Payne
Date: 12/04/2007 00:13:50
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] test
 
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Apr 12 07:37:50 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:37:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <000501c77c8e$07c32be0$7a526c3a@Edd>
References: <000501c77c8e$07c32be0$7a526c3a@Edd>
Message-ID: <2543.165.206.180.53.1176388670.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Pleas send again, I didn't get it......... I think electrons from down
there are a different polarity or something.

Bill


>
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
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From shop at cccomm.net  Thu Apr 12 12:24:01 2007
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:24:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts
References: <000c01c77c6d$ccb34a50$6cac123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <02b701c77d38$21cea5a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Glenn,
I have some parts. What size shaft, how many teeth and what style of cut are 
the gears?

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts


> Hi:
>
> Do any of you out there know where to look for obsolete new or used 
> Wisconsin THD parts?  We need the drive gears for the distributor.
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 12 12:52:29 2007
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:52:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1176393601.25905.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-F22F380E0495E277C366599C75E0@phx.gbl>

Have you tried PE Phillips or EVAPAR in Evansville?

>    1. Wisconsin engine parts (Glenn Karch)
>>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:15:38 -0500
>From: "Glenn Karch" <glenn.karch at verizon.net>
>Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin engine parts
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,
>	<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Message-ID: <000c01c77c6d$ccb34a50$6cac123f at D8LJ7K91>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hi:
>
>Do any of you out there know where to look for obsolete new or used 
>Wisconsin THD parts?  We need the drive gears for the distributor.
>
>Glenn Karch
>Hercules Historian
>Haubstadt, Indiana, USA

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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Apr 12 14:13:48 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:13:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.
In-Reply-To: <01fd01c77d40$81da6120$4001a8c0@toltbbs.com>
References: <01fd01c77d40$81da6120$4001a8c0@toltbbs.com>
Message-ID: <20070412211621.B6B1558B8C@gw1.nlenet.net>

Hi   Any one on this list who lives near Cheshire England?  I am 
looking at a clock works on ebay.  about 25 cm X 66 cm by 10 cm.  I 
would need it picked up, Then I need to figure out how to get it over 
here (Western New York State USA)

Thanks

Frank

  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  

From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Apr 12 15:59:08 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:59:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.
References: <01fd01c77d40$81da6120$4001a8c0@toltbbs.com>
	<20070412211621.B6B1558B8C@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <003601c77d56$2ea25b00$e5c30b52@no1>

Hi Frank. I live in Cheshire but its a big county, Do you have a town name?
I will contact you off-list.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Slick Willie" <slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.


> Hi   Any one on this list who lives near Cheshire England?  I am 
> looking at a clock works on ebay.  about 25 cm X 66 cm by 10 cm.  I 
> would need it picked up, Then I need to figure out how to get it over 
> here (Western New York State USA)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Frank
> 
>  Frank DeWitt
> 
>  Light plant WEB page 
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
>  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
>  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
>  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
>  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com


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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Apr 12 16:25:30 2007
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:25:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.
In-Reply-To: <20070412211621.B6B1558B8C@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <016201c77d59$dc8c1dc0$8335c53e@doc>

Frank

I live about eight miles from the Cheshire border if that helps?  I am about
25 miles south of Chester.  Dave Croft is probably closer, though.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Frank DeWitt
> Sent: 12 April 2007 22:14
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Cc: Slick Willie
> Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.
> 
> Hi   Any one on this list who lives near Cheshire England?  I am 
> looking at a clock works on ebay.  about 25 cm X 66 cm by 10 cm.  I 
> would need it picked up, Then I need to figure out how to get it over 
> here (Western New York State USA)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Frank
> 
>   Frank DeWitt
> 
>   Light plant WEB page 
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.o
> rg/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
>   Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
>   LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
>   2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
>   Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  




From Frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Apr 12 18:10:07 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:10:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Pick up in Cheshire England.
Message-ID: <20070413011016.687E358D08@gw1.nlenet.net>


Frank

I live about eight miles from the Cheshire border if that helps?  I am about
25 miles south of Chester.  Dave Croft is probably closer, though.

Regards

      Pete


Thank you.  I ma checking now to see just where this place is.  The 
next step is to see if i am the high bedder, and then to figure out 
how to get it over here.

For the rest of you patient soles out there, I am looking at a 
Synchronome Master clock movement.  Old iron, but lighter weight old 
iron ;-)   They were used to run the clocks in school rooms and 
railroad stations etc.  In the US master clocks were made by IBM, 
Stromberg and others, but the Synchronome is quite unique.

Any one on this side of the pond have one they want to dell?  ;-)  To 
my knowlege, they were never sold in the US.

Frank DeWitt


  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  

From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Apr 12 20:12:15 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:12:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.
In-Reply-To: <20070413011016.687E358D08@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <20070413011016.687E358D08@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070412220400.04733b88@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Frank,

>Thank you.  I ma checking now to see just where this place is.  The next 
>step is to see if i am the high bedder, and then to figure out how to get 
>it over here.

The postal service would be the best way. However, using it would mean that 
you are using a government agency. Better think about that a LONG time 
before you decide! (UPS is probably a better solution for you--but it will 
cost you about 9 times as much!)


>For the rest of you patient soles out there, I am looking at a Synchronome 
>Master clock movement.  Old iron, but lighter weight old iron ;-)   They 
>were used to run the clocks in school rooms

Were these government schools? If so you had better think twice about this 
purchase!

>  and railroad stations etc.

Were the RR's private in the UK when this clock was used? If not see the above!

>   In the US master clocks were made by IBM, Stromberg and others, but the 
> Synchronome is quite unique.
>
>Any one on this side of the pond have one they want to dell?  ;-)  To my 
>knowlege, they were never sold in the US.
>
>Frank DeWitt

Good luck with your purchase!
         Dave
PS, Tell Dave Croft, when he contacts you off list, that NOTHING in the UK 
is big!




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 12 21:26:24 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:26:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking
Message-ID: <001101c77d83$e6446be0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Hey gang what is the best way to resurface a ball seat on a fuel pump, mine is leaking down and it has new check balls in it.

Paul



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr 12 21:43:45 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:43:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking
References: <001101c77d83$e6446be0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <004101c77d86$5233bac0$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Paul
I have a number of wooden dowels that have various stainless steel balls 
glued to the ends of them. I find one that is the diameter of the ball on 
the job and use very fine grinding paste and oil, then go as fine as Brasso 
polishing liquid (do you guys have that over there?) I just rotate the dowel 
as you would grinding normal engine valves, lifting and dropping as you 
rotate. Works a treat for me.
I think most balls are common sizes eg. 5/32", 3/16", 1/4", 5/16" etc

Peter, Oz





> Hey gang what is the best way to resurface a ball seat on a fuel pump, 
> mine is leaking down and it has new check balls in it.
>
> Paul
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Apr 13 05:29:04 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:29:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking
In-Reply-To: <001101c77d83$e6446be0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEJIFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

If the pump housing is brass, you could try dropping the ball into the seat and then, using a soft (brass) punch, tap it with a hammer.  If the seat isn't too bad, the ball will impress it's shape on the brass and you're back in business.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:26 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking
> 
> 
> Hey gang what is the best way to resurface a ball 
> seat on a fuel pump, mine is leaking down and it 
> has new check balls in it.
> 
> Paul




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Apr 13 07:49:51 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:49:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pick up in Cheshire England.
Message-ID: <20070413.105239.604.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Dave Rotigel,

Who is in charge of making & placing the bricks on the walk at Ft Allen ?
I want to get one for John Collins.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " Traders, Moneylenders and Pimps 
  (_o_)                   are playing their trade in the temple."


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 13 08:05:03 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:05:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking
References: <001101c77d83$e6446be0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<004101c77d86$5233bac0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <001501c77ddd$1fa463a0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Peter, this sounds like a super way of doing it.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking


> Hi Paul
> I have a number of wooden dowels that have various stainless steel balls
> glued to the ends of them. I find one that is the diameter of the ball on
> the job and use very fine grinding paste and oil, then go as fine as 
> Brasso
> polishing liquid (do you guys have that over there?) I just rotate the 
> dowel
> as you would grinding normal engine valves, lifting and dropping as you
> rotate. Works a treat for me.
> I think most balls are common sizes eg. 5/32", 3/16", 1/4", 5/16" etc
>
> Peter, Oz
>




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 13 08:14:44 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:14:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEJIFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <005501c77dde$780936f0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Elden.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel Pump Seat Leaking


> Paul:
>
> If the pump housing is brass, you could try dropping the ball into the 
> seat and then, using a soft (brass) punch, tap it with a hammer.  If the 
> seat isn't too bad, the ball will impress it's shape on the brass and 
> you're back in business.
>
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> 



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Fri Apr 13 09:54:32 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:54:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Pick up in Cheshire England.
Message-ID: <20070413165631.D7B685832C@gw1.nlenet.net>


Hi Frank,

 >Thank you.  I ma checking now to see just where this place is.  The next
 >step is to see if i am the high bedder, and then to figure out how to get
 >it over here.

The postal service would be the best way. However, using it would mean that
you are using a government agency. Better think about that a LONG time
before you decide! (UPS is probably a better solution for you--but it will
cost you about 9 times as much!)

I am working hard at finding another way probably a private shipper 
will be best.


 >For the rest of you patient soles out there, I am looking at a Synchronome
 >Master clock movement.  Old iron, but lighter weight old iron ;-)   They
 >were used to run the clocks in school rooms

Were these government schools? If so you had better think twice about this
purchase!
I spent may years repairing these systems in Government schools. As a 
repair man you see the schools as they really are. After going into 
mechanical design work I had a second job repairing clocks in 
government schools That is where I made the money to send my kids to 
a private school.

I have no problem taking money from the Government schools, I just 
wouldn't send a kid there based on what I saw while fixing clocks.

 >  and railroad stations etc.

Were the RR's private in the UK when this clock was used? If not see the above!

 >   In the US master clocks were made by IBM, Stromberg and others, but the
 > Synchronome is quite unique.
 >
 >Any one on this side of the pond have one they want to dell?  ;-)  To my
 >knowlege, they were never sold in the US.
 >
 >Frank DeWitt

Good luck with your purchase!
          Dave
PS, Tell Dave Croft, when he contacts you off list, that NOTHING in the UK
is big!

Actually I would like to get over there and see some of there big and 
wonderful steam traction engines and showman's engines.

Frank


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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr 14 04:30:30 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:30:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT Funny where you find a little humour
Message-ID: <000d01c77e88$5056db30$e5c30b52@no1>

Time for a smile...

1) go to http://maps.google.com/
2) click on 'get directions'
3) type London to New York
4) click on the 'get directions' button on the right
5) go to point 37....

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Apr 14 09:54:57 2007
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:54:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Funny where you find a little humour
References: <000d01c77e88$5056db30$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <000701c77eb5$a38e97c0$5583fb40@HP28276676518>

Interesting Dave.  I tried this a couple of days ago going from New York to 
London, in which case you swim the Atlantic at step 23.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "stationary-engine at atis.net" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 6:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT Funny where you find a little humour


> Time for a smile...
>
> 1) go to http://maps.google.com/
> 2) click on 'get directions'
> 3) type London to New York
> 4) click on the 'get directions' button on the right
> 5) go to point 37....
>
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sat Apr 14 11:45:02 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:45:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Funny where you find a little humour
References: <000d01c77e88$5056db30$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <001f01c77ec5$03394350$6500a8c0@home>

Dave  :

   You will lose your taste for sushi by the time you get here , wear a 
helmet lots of stray ice burgs out there !


Rex
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "stationary-engine at atis.net" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 6:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT Funny where you find a little humour


> Time for a smile...
>
> 1) go to http://maps.google.com/
> 2) click on 'get directions'
> 3) type London to New York
> 4) click on the 'get directions' button on the right
> 5) go to point 37....
>
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Apr 16 12:38:56 2007
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:38:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <001f01c7805e$e18465a0$a1a2e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

test ,Haven't had any posts in the last few days.

Craig in Scotland


From nick at holden1.net  Mon Apr 16 13:00:32 2007
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:00:32 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <001f01c7805e$e18465a0$a1a2e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <4623D5E0.000001.02368@YOUR-447023AE6B>

Nor have I 
Every one must be getting engines ready for the shows
Or something 
 
 
Nick
Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: craig morrison
Date: 16/04/2007 20:48:01
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] test
 
test ,Haven't had any posts in the last few days.
 
Craig in Scotland
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Apr 16 14:06:48 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:06:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <001f01c7805e$e18465a0$a1a2e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEMNFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

We all be asleep.  Quitcher knockin'!  Done woke me up.      :-)

Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of craig
> morrison
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 02:39 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] test
> 
> 
> test ,Haven't had any posts in the last few days.
> 
> Craig in Scotland




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Apr 16 14:26:08 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:26:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>

I expect lots of US folks glued to TV watching about the gunman killing 32 
students/faculty this morning on the campus of Virginia Polytechnical Inst., 
Blacksburg, Virginia.  Very tragic!   


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Apr 16 14:49:46 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:49:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <001f01c7805e$e18465a0$a1a2e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <000301c78071$268b6d80$0601a8c0@altech>

That will give you more time for restorations ;-))

Peter, Oz





> test ,Haven't had any posts in the last few days.
> 
> Craig in Scotland
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Apr 16 15:45:26 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:45:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Make that 33 Tom. ....................
Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that is
here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is far
too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination for
guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a .22
bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of playing
with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now I 
find other more enjoyable things to do
It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and 
school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to target 
tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these events 
and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism 
intended .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test


>I expect lots of US folks glued to TV watching about the gunman killing 32
> students/faculty this morning on the campus of Virginia Polytechnical
> Inst.,
> Blacksburg, Virginia.  Very tragic!
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com.
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Apr 16 19:10:28 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:10:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>

Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem. 
More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't 
obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a 
difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws 
restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person 
that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have 
stopped. BUT that is illegal.


peter ogborne wrote:
> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that is
> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is far
> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination for
> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a .22
> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of playing
> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now I 
> find other more enjoyable things to do
> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and 
> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to target 
> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these events 
> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism 
> intended .
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
> 


From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Apr 16 20:46:23 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:46:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOENFFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Truer words have never been spoken.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Steve W.
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 09:10 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
> 
............................snip.....................
> If ONE person that was there had a firearm and used it the 
> shooting would have stopped. BUT that is illegal.




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Apr 16 19:54:11 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:54:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <00c101c7809b$af727ab0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Funny you should say that! I said exactly the same to Marg this morning.
I have been known t mention a town in Texas that require all residents to 
carry and be trained in the use of guns.
I am led to believe the crime rate is among the lowest in America.
No politician is even interested !
As the crime rises around us here, Marg and I have no way of defending 
outselves legally! The Police, if called, are a long way away from here and 
response time is in hours!  No wonder there were 18 break and enters around 
Newcastle area Sunday night/ Mon early morning.
The police were all home recovering from the road revenue raising.
Its a sad world!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
repeal ALL the current laws
> restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
> that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
> stopped. BUT that is illegal.




From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Mon Apr 16 19:55:11 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:55:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engine book
Message-ID: <005801c7809b$d21ed270$bff7123f@D8LJ7K91>

Hi to all,

I have just completed one of my winter projects.  I have  made up a few copies of a new book I just published entitled "The Kewanee Engine Story".  If you are interested, contact me for more details.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Apr 16 20:58:30 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:58:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070416225514.04d9de50@mail.alltel.net>


>It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>school students and tragically they are all young .

That is because guns are not allowed on a collage campus and in grade or 
high schools. If they were the purp would be taken out before he shot very 
many people!
         Dave



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Apr 16 21:10:57 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:10:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engine book
In-Reply-To: <005801c7809b$d21ed270$bff7123f@D8LJ7K91>
References: <005801c7809b$d21ed270$bff7123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070416230750.04e1de60@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Glenn,
         I read the pin-ultimate proof of your Kewanee book while at the 
Zolfo Show. It was GREAT and I want two of the books that you just 
published. Please let me know how much I owe you and where to send the money!
         Dave

At 09:55 PM 4/16/2007, you wrote:
>Hi to all,
>I have just completed one of my winter projects.  I have  made up a few 
>copies of a new book I just published entitled "The Kewanee Engine 
>Story".  If you are interested, contact me for more details.
>Glenn Karch



From driggars at wildblue.net  Mon Apr 16 20:53:02 2007
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:53:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070416225514.04d9de50@mail.alltel.net>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070416225514.04d9de50@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4624449E.9030701@wildblue.net>

yep, already a law against having weapons on or any where near schools, 
etc. 

why does some people think that making more laws solve the problem?



Dave Rotigel wrote:
>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>> school students and tragically they are all young .
>>     
>
> That is because guns are not allowed on a collage campus and in grade or 
> high schools. If they were the purp would be taken out before he shot very 
> many people!
>          Dave
>
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>
>
>   



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Mon Apr 16 21:03:16 2007
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:03:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>

The governor of the state of Missouri signed a law last week that permits a 
person to defend him or herself and families.   Some of us have already 
assumed we had that right.  I'm waiting to read the text of the law.  It is 
effective Aug. 1 or when someone enters my house w/o an invitation if 
sooner.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem.
> More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't
> obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a
> difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws
> restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
> that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
> stopped. BUT that is illegal.
>
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
>> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
>> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that 
>> is
>> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is 
>> far
>> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination 
>> for
>> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a .22
>> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of playing
>> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now I
>> find other more enjoyable things to do
>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to 
>> target
>> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these 
>> events
>> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism
>> intended .
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
>>
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From lyle45859 at roadrunner.com  Mon Apr 16 21:54:18 2007
From: lyle45859 at roadrunner.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:54:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <462452FA.000001.01956@CATS-D22786ABFC>

I just have to add my two cents to this post. I do not feel that the law is
so much the problem as the punishment the criminals gets. The prisons are
full of inmates that are not violent and the violent inmates are paroled
early or get probation due to over crowding of the prisons with inmates that
should not be there. We need to enact stronger penalties against the
criminals.  By this, have the prisoners pay for their keep and not put it on
the tax payers, take away all there rights as most inmates have more rights
than the victum. Make prison a living hell and not a country club and even
though I'm a Christian I believe that the death penalty should be reinstated
and not have someone on death row for centuries before they are executed.
Enforce the laws we have and send clear message to the criminals that prison
is not place to be and if they go make sure they never forget the rights of
the law abiding citizens of our great nation. My step-father worked for the
Ohio Department of Corrections for over thirty years and when growing up I
lived on prison grounds and saw first hand the life the inmates lived, color
televisions in their cells, buy any thing from the inmate store they wanted,
paid for their work ect. I feel this is wrong as they should only have a bed
to sleep in, a place to do their business and sixteen hours a day work,
seven days a week to pay for their crimes against humanity. Some will say
that I'm wrong but I have seen the life the inmates live and at least in
Ohio if you break the law you know you will be going to a prison that treats
you like a King and not like a criminal.
Lyle Myles
NW OH
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Steve W. 
Date: 04/16/07 22:15:58 
To: The SEL email discussion list 
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT 
 
Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem. 
More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't 
Obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a 
Difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws 
Restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person 
That was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have 
Stopped. BUT that is illegal. 
 
 
Peter ogborne wrote: 
> Make that 33 Tom. .................... 
> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of 
> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that is

> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is far

> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination
for 
> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a .22 
> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of playing 
> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now I 
> find other more enjoyable things to do 
> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and 
> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to
target 
> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these
events 
> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism 
> intended . 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com> 
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM 
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test 
> 
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Apr 17 00:07:37 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:07:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
Message-ID: <001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and 
then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to 
reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable but 
a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be 
mayhem!
I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and 
saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in 
Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and 
you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be 
reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million hand 
guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from ,maybe 
they are correct ,maybe not.
I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem in 
the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National 
Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying 
power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun 
control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this 
morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> The governor of the state of Missouri signed a law last week that permits 
> a
> person to defend him or herself and families.   Some of us have already
> assumed we had that right.  I'm waiting to read the text of the law.  It 
> is
> effective Aug. 1 or when someone enters my house w/o an invitation if
> sooner.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>
>
>> Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem.
>> More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't
>> obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a
>> difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws
>> restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
>> that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
>> stopped. BUT that is illegal.
>>
>>
>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
>>> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
>>> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that
>>> is
>>> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is
>>> far
>>> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination
>>> for
>>> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a 
>>> .22
>>> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of 
>>> playing
>>> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now 
>>> I
>>> find other more enjoyable things to do
>>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>>> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to
>>> target
>>> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these
>>> events
>>> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism
>>> intended .
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
>>>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Apr 17 00:15:18 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:15:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><6.1.2.0.0.20070416225514.04d9de50@mail.alltel.net>
	<4624449E.9030701@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <013d01c780c0$31cf3dd0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Ya really dont need us to answer that, do ya? If ya dont know the answer, 
you are one of them!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clint D" <driggars at wildblue.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> yep, already a law against having weapons on or any where near schools,
> etc.
>
> why does some people think that making more laws solve the problem?
>
>
>
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>>> school students and tragically they are all young .
>>>
>>
>> That is because guns are not allowed on a collage campus and in grade or
>> high schools. If they were the purp would be taken out before he shot 
>> very
>> many people!
>>          Dave
>>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Apr 17 00:20:34 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:20:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<462452FA.000001.01956@CATS-D22786ABFC>
Message-ID: <015c01c780c1$12420af0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Have you any idea how many out there agree with you?
I would guess about 98% of the population.
So, how long before the 'Silent majority' get heard?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at roadrunner.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


>I just have to add my two cents to this post. I do not feel that the law is
> so much the problem as the punishment the criminals gets. The prisons are
> full of inmates that are not violent and the violent inmates are paroled
> early or get probation due to over crowding of the prisons with inmates 
> that
> should not be there. We need to enact stronger penalties against the
> criminals.  By this, have the prisoners pay for their keep and not put it 
> on
> the tax payers, take away all there rights as most inmates have more 
> rights
> than the victum. Make prison a living hell and not a country club and even
> though I'm a Christian I believe that the death penalty should be 
> reinstated
> and not have someone on death row for centuries before they are executed.
> Enforce the laws we have and send clear message to the criminals that 
> prison
> is not place to be and if they go make sure they never forget the rights 
> of
> the law abiding citizens of our great nation. My step-father worked for 
> the
> Ohio Department of Corrections for over thirty years and when growing up I
> lived on prison grounds and saw first hand the life the inmates lived, 
> color
> televisions in their cells, buy any thing from the inmate store they 
> wanted,
> paid for their work ect. I feel this is wrong as they should only have a 
> bed
> to sleep in, a place to do their business and sixteen hours a day work,
> seven days a week to pay for their crimes against humanity. Some will say
> that I'm wrong but I have seen the life the inmates live and at least in
> Ohio if you break the law you know you will be going to a prison that 
> treats
> you like a King and not like a criminal.
> Lyle Myles
> NW OH
>
> -------Original Message------- 
>
> From: Steve W.
> Date: 04/16/07 22:15:58
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>
> Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem.
> More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't
> Obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a
> Difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws
> Restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
> That was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
> Stopped. BUT that is illegal.
>
>
> Peter ogborne wrote:
>> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
>> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
>> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that 
>> is
>
>> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is 
>> far
>
>> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination
> for
>> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a .22
>> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of playing
>> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now I
>> find other more enjoyable things to do
>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to
> target
>> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these
> events
>> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism
>> intended .
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Apr 17 00:59:58 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:59:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally
Message-ID: <20070417075852.ZQRE28205.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Last weekend was spent down in Wagga at their rally. As always a great
weekend with a friendly club. Engine numbers were a little down but it was
still a good display and a good weekend was had by all. Pictures at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/wag071.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Apr 17 01:28:03 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:28:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net><010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <016701c780ca$5326cf70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hey Peter, let me ask you if you agree with the latest efforts of our lot.
Graffiti, Dont do anything strenuous to control or erradicate it. Just 'Ban 
sales to those under 18' Thus, those with a genuine need get penalised.(Its 
all locked away)
Illegal drugs.  Ban pharmacies from selling cough tablets and linctus! (So 
the crims cannot get raw materials)
And so it goes!
So, by your thinking, We should all rely on the pathetic, under resourced, 
police force for our welfare?
Get real!!  Your welfare is YOUR concern!
There are more ways of handling this that outright warfare.
Pressure on your so called 'Reps' in government would be a start.
I personally think things have sunk too far to be remedied in the short term 
but, hey, a start HAS to be made soon or we may as well chuck in the towel 
and give the place to the crims.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and
> then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to
> reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable 
> but
> a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be
> mayhem!
> I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and
> saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in
> Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
> Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and
> you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be
> reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
> A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million 
> hand
> guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from 
> ,maybe
> they are correct ,maybe not.
> I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem 
> in
> the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National
> Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying
> power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
> Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun
> control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this
> morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>
>
>> The governor of the state of Missouri signed a law last week that permits
>> a
>> person to defend him or herself and families.   Some of us have already
>> assumed we had that right.  I'm waiting to read the text of the law.  It
>> is
>> effective Aug. 1 or when someone enters my house w/o an invitation if
>> sooner.
>>
>> Gary
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>>
>>
>>> Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem.
>>> More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't
>>> obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a
>>> difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws
>>> restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
>>> that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
>>> stopped. BUT that is illegal.
>>>
>>>
>>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>>> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
>>>> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
>>>> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that
>>>> is
>>>> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is
>>>> far
>>>> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination
>>>> for
>>>> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a
>>>> .22
>>>> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of
>>>> playing
>>>> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now
>>>> I
>>>> find other more enjoyable things to do
>>>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>>>> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to
>>>> target
>>>> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these
>>>> events
>>>> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism
>>>> intended .
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>>>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 02:30:18 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:30:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704170230w178f1460r11a5844878bc4cff@mail.gmail.com>

On 17/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:

A little bit of editing/snipping would be a good idea on these threads please!

Not just Peter O but everyone. The indiscriminate posting of replies
and List headers is making these emails hugely over-length and
unnecessarily so.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 02:32:13 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:32:13 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704170232g6411aad6k5f5f4595ed0fce90@mail.gmail.com>

On 17/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:

''The Right To Bare Arms''

Peter:

We can all wear T-Shirts, regardless of our country.... :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From clemsweller at etczone.com  Tue Apr 17 02:52:18 2007
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:52:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000001c780d6$16516c20$42f44460$@com>

So, Peter, do you think that more gun control laws would keep a crazy person
such as this from obtaining a gun and carrying out their plan?  I don't!
The only thing gun control laws will do is make it tougher for honest
citizens to get them.  Criminals and those such as the gunman in yesterday's
tragic event will still find access to them.  Laws apparently don't mean
anything to someone in this state of mind.  

In my mind, there were three tragedies in yesterday's shooting.  First and
foremost the 33 individuals that died.  Second, the fact that there are
crazies in this world that would commit such an act.  And Third tragedy is
the fact that the American public is being turned into sheep.  We haven't
heard of one report of a student attempting to confront this idiot!  I would
presume he would have to reload at some point.  Unfortunately, the American
public have been "trained" to let the LAW deal with these issues.  Don't get
involved.  To that, I say horse hockey!  If facing imminent death, at least
try to defend yourself in some way.  Maybe some of those killed did.  If so,
you can bet our bleeding heart news reporters won't report it!  At least the
crazy had enough presence of mind to kill himself! Otherwise, we would have
to support his sorry but for the next 20 years while he went through a trial
and waited for his sentencing.  

Peter, yes, in this case, it should be a case of shoot first and the hell
with the questions!  After you have seen the individual is on a killing
rampage, it is kill or be killed. 

Proud owner of 30+ guns!

Chuck Emsweller

I'll give up my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands!

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:08 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT

So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and 
then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to 
reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable but

a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be 
mayhem!
I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and 
saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in 
Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and 
you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be 
reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million hand 
guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from ,maybe

they are correct ,maybe not.
I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem in

the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National 
Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying 
power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun 
control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this 
morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> The governor of the state of Missouri signed a law last week that permits 
> a
> person to defend him or herself and families.   Some of us have already
> assumed we had that right.  I'm waiting to read the text of the law.  It 
> is
> effective Aug. 1 or when someone enters my house w/o an invitation if
> sooner.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>
>
>> Peter, Not to be to picky but it is not the gun that is the problem.
>> More gun laws are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Why? BECAUSE criminals don't
>> obey the law in the first place. I do have one gun law that would make a
>> difference though, that one would be to repeal ALL the current laws
>> restricting lawful persons from having and carrying them. If ONE person
>> that was there had a firearm and used it the shooting would have
>> stopped. BUT that is illegal.
>>
>>
>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>> Make that 33 Tom. ....................
>>> Firstly let me say that we here in Australia have had our fair share of
>>> these freaks that want to go round shooting people.It is something that
>>> is
>>> here to stay unless gun laws are drastically revised and I think it is
>>> far
>>> too late for that to be done.Most men and some women have a fascination
>>> for
>>> guns. I admit that I am one such person, but I have only ever owned a 
>>> .22
>>> bolt action rifle. It has long since been disposed of. My days of 
>>> playing
>>> with a .303 Lee Enfield in the National Service were also enjoyable.Now 
>>> I
>>> find other more enjoyable things to do
>>> It seems that your country suffers from those that shoot university and
>>> school students and tragically they are all young .Here they seem to
>>> target
>>> tourists ,I don't think there is a country that is immune from these
>>> events
>>> and it will continue I'm sure .Just my thoughts on this ,no criticism
>>> intended .
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] test
>>>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Apr 17 02:58:32 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:58:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net><010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518><001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6f6025160704170230w178f1460r11a5844878bc4cff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c780d6$f92310d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Yes Master!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> On 17/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
>
> A little bit of editing/snipping would be a good idea on these threads 
> please!
>
> Not just Peter O but everyone. The indiscriminate posting of replies
> and List headers is making these emails hugely over-length and
> unnecessarily so.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Apr 17 03:01:57 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:01:57 +0800
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net><010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518><001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6f6025160704170232g6411aad6k5f5f4595ed0fce90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002201c780d7$736dd410$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

You can strip down to your jocks if you want to .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> On 17/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> ''The Right To Bare Arms''
> 
> Peter:
> 
> We can all wear T-Shirts, regardless of our country.... :-))
> 
> Peter
> -- 
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Apr 17 03:29:00 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:29:00 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT Virginia Uni Killings
Message-ID: <000d01c780db$3a565cc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Chuck and Reg .My opinions are as a complete out sider . I am trying not  to 
be critical of the Laws that you have in the US . I can only repeat what I 
hear and that is Virginia has very lax laws. It seems , so i hear that a 
person can go to a gun show and buy  an assault rifle with out any 
conditions. If this is so then it is no wonder that there are crazys out 
there trying to emulate what they might see on TV . If this is what the law 
allows then so be it and good luck to you in the US.
To Reg ....if you want to go down the road that the US has followed what can 
i say except that i hope not to be around.
Chuck ,as for defending myself ,my wife ,my property yes up there with the 
best of them ,I am not a shrinking violet.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Apr 17 03:30:51 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:30:51 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT Bare Arms
Message-ID: <001101c780db$7be951b0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

To all ,please excuse my slip and it was not  being flippant ......a genuine 
mistake .
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Apr 17 05:46:13 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:46:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518><001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<000001c780d6$16516c20$42f44460$@com>
Message-ID: <001e01c780ee$6331ac40$7a526c3a@Edd>

YEH .Arm all the public and you to can be as safe as living and dying in 
Iraq.(NOW THERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE )
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> So, Peter, do you think that more gun control laws would keep a crazy 
> person
> such as this from obtaining a gun and carrying out their plan?  I don't!
> The only thing gun control laws will do is make it tougher for honest
.

> Proud owner of 30+ guns!
EDD PAYNE PROUD OWNER OF 200 OLD.ENGINES(APROX) AND NO GUNS>




From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Apr 17 07:21:36 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:21:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOENMFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

The massacre of yesterday wouldn't have been nearly as bad had a few of those students or porfessors been carrying.  Someone would have taken the crazy out early on.

I do believe someone should be required to pass a background check before (legally) buying a handgun as is the case in most states.  Also, if you want to legally carry concealed, you have to go through a course in shooting safety and prove that you can hit the side of a barn before you can get a permit.

Statistics prove that an armed populace (within reason) has less crime.  If the criminals know that you could have a weapon and could use it against them, they're much less liable to do the deed.

As for the perp of yesterday, it is nearly impossible to stop someone who's deranged and wants to kill a bunch of people in a suicide attack.  Take away guns and the person will use a knife, a bomb, a vehicle, fire or any number of other deadly weapons to do the deed.  The best defense is to take 'em out before the damage gets worse.  

Now, I don't think there'll be wholesale killing in the streets because people can be prosecuted for shooting before thinking about the consequences of a bad decision.

............................end of rant......................

Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of peter
> ogborne
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 02:08 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
> 
> 
> So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a 
> case of shoot first and 
> then ask questions?We have a law that says that 
> we can use like force to 
> reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody 
> stupid and quite unworkable but 
> a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of 
> arming everyone,It would be 
> mayhem!
...........snip............................




From christison at coastalnet.com  Tue Apr 17 06:44:55 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:44:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic discussion list
Message-ID: <380-220074217134455765@coastalnet.com>

For those of you who want to continue discussion of  "off topic" issues
such as gun control, there is a list that was created just for you.  Just
go to: http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic  to
subscribe.

Mind you, most of the traffic has been my sharing of my photography,
but any member can discuss anything, within reason.  You can also 
discuss your other, non engine related, hobbies here.

Hope to see a few new faces on the list.

Take care.

Ken Christison
www.oldiron-nut.com
www.kenskritters.com




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr 17 08:06:47 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:06:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417100221.04e5b168@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Peter,
         We have people here in the USA who argue as you do on this issue. 
In general they are lilly livered cowards who take no responsibility for 
their own lives and safety, but rather expect government to take care of 
them from the cradle to the grave. We call them DEMOCRATS!
         Dave

At 02:07 AM 4/17/2007, you wrote:
>So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and
>then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to
>reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable but
>a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be
>mayhem!
>I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and
>saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in
>Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
>Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and
>you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be
>reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
>A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million hand
>guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from ,maybe
>they are correct ,maybe not.
>I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem in
>the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National
>Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying
>power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
>Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun
>control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this
>morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Apr 17 07:16:15 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:16:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <001e01c780ee$6331ac40$7a526c3a@Edd>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>
	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>
	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>
	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<000001c780d6$16516c20$42f44460$@com>
	<001e01c780ee$6331ac40$7a526c3a@Edd>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070417091846.03001eb0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hello Edd,
  I can Guarantee you that if the "law abiding" citizens of the United 
States were all permitted to be armed and packing in the US there would be 
few or no problems like you see in Iraq. And most of the problems we see 
now would be reduced greatly. Not saying that there will not be the 
occasional accident. But the real crime rate will decrease. The law abiding 
greatly outnumber the criminals. But when the law abiding are outgunned by 
criminals the few can terrorize the many.
   As has already been said on this forum if one person had been armed 
(legally or not) the possability of stopping this person early on would 
have increased greatly. In this case the lack of fire arms in the hands of 
law abiding citizens as required by law is in my opinion as much to blame 
as the  presence of one bad person with a gun.
  Let me ask this one question, If guns can not help resolve or controll a 
situation like this then why are the Police armed? Even the Brits realized 
a few years ago that their Police needed to be armed and did so.
Take this analogy and think about it, Think of guns as mice and cats. The 
cats are good people and mice are criminals. One cat can keep the mice in 
check. No cat and you are overrun by mice. Mind you now I said in check not 
eliminated.
Or if its thought about the other way around the one bad cat criminal keeps 
the law abiding mice in hiding and cowering.  And the second half of this 
analogy is why the US founding documents gives the citizenry the right to 
own and bare arms, to keep the oppressive nature of Government in check.
  Just my 2cents worth.  I will comment no more on this subject.
     LET The Engine shows begin in the US!!!                   TTYL,   Mark
At 08:46 AM 4/17/07, you wrote:
>YEH .Arm all the public and you to can be as safe as living and dying in
>Iraq.(NOW THERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE )
>EDD PAYNE
>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
>Australia
>2852
>Phone:0263742387
>edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>edsengns
EDD PAYNE PROUD OWNER OF 200 OLD.ENGINES(APROX) AND NO GUNS>

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

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Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 17 07:32:16 2007
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:32:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417100221.04e5b168@mail.alltel.net>
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com>	<000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>	<46242C94.1020202@telenet.net>	<010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518>	<001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070417100221.04e5b168@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4624DA70.2030206@scrtc.com>

Dave,
    Or Giuliani.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hi Peter,
>         We have people here in the USA who argue as you do on this issue. 
>In general they are lilly livered cowards who take no responsibility for 
>their own lives and safety, but rather expect government to take care of 
>them from the cradle to the grave. We call them DEMOCRATS!
>         Dave
>  
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Apr 17 07:39:15 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:39:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
Message-ID: <20070417.110519.1312.0.jlb94@juno.com>

why does some people think that making more laws solve the problem?
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
       =        =        
Because the "People" demand that "Government" do something - 
right or wrong.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " Traders, Moneylenders and Pimps 
  (_o_)                   are playing their trade in the temple."


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Apr 17 07:53:11 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:53:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
Message-ID: <20070417.110519.1312.1.jlb94@juno.com>

"The right to KEEP and bear arms"

Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " Traders, Moneylenders and Pimps 
  (_o_)                   are playing their trade in the temple."


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Apr 17 08:17:02 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:17:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally
Message-ID: <20070417.111812.1312.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Nice pics Patrick,

I especially like the Steam - 


Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " Traders, Moneylenders and Pimps 
  (_o_)                   are playing their trade in the temple."


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 17 09:07:49 2007
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:07:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417100221.04e5b168@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <916360.80496.qm@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hello Dave,
How ironic to receive this from an old bastard who receives a check from
the government every month simply because he continues to breathe!
Joe

--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>          We have people here in the USA who argue as you do on this
> issue. 
> In general they are lilly livered cowards who take no responsibility for
> 
> their own lives and safety, but rather expect government to take care of
> 
> them from the cradle to the grave. We call them DEMOCRATS!
>          Dave
> 


Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr 17 10:25:55 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:25:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <916360.80496.qm@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417100221.04e5b168@mail.alltel.net>
	<916360.80496.qm@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417122023.04e1f480@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Joe,
         I will have to live for about another 25 years before the 
GOVERNMENT gives me all the money I put into the SS program over the years 
that I worked. Had I been allowed to keep the money and invest it myself I 
would have enough money to buy MANY MANY more engines. However, the PINKO 
DEMOCRATS are afraid to let citizens take care of themselves! Such is life 
in the USA!
         Dave

At 11:07 AM 4/17/2007, you wrote:

>Hello Dave,
>How ironic to receive this from an old bastard who receives a check from
>the government every month simply because he continues to breathe!
>Joe
>
>--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter,
> >          We have people here in the USA who argue as you do on this
> > issue.
> > In general they are lilly livered cowards who take no responsibility for
> >
> > their own lives and safety, but rather expect government to take care of
> >
> > them from the cradle to the grave. We call them DEMOCRATS!
> >          Dave
> >
>
>
>Joe Prindle
>Baraboo, WI USA
>"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
>Milligan
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Apr 17 14:08:57 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:08:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
Message-ID: <d26.6f5c461.33569169@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/17/2007 9:23:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

I do believe someone should be required to pass a background check before 
(legally) buying a handgun as is the case in most states.  Also, if you want to le
gally carry concealed, you have to go through a course in shooting safety and 
prove that you can hit the side of a barn before you can get a permit.

 
I live in Virginia about 2 hours for the shooting.  Yes, Virginia is lax with 
gun laws compared to New York or Washington, DC. To clarify some statements 
by others: Virginia Tech college does not allow guns on the campus period! You 
cannot buy any handgun in Virginia, no matter what caliber, at show or 
business without a background check thru the police, which are set up at the gun 
shows.  Businesses must call in before selling.  To carry a concealed weapon, you 
must first pass a gun safety/handling/shooting course, then submit form to the 
County Circuit Clerks office to approve,  County police chief to approve, and 
the county district attorneys office to approve.  All of these offices do a 
background check on you before approving.  It used to be that you had to appear 
before judge and justify why you wanted the concealed weapon.  That was 
dropped a few years ago.  
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr 17 15:31:06 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:31:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <d26.6f5c461.33569169@aol.com>
References: <d26.6f5c461.33569169@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417172445.0570dc60@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Tom,
         How dare you contradict a list member from OZ who has "heard" that 
someone in VA can but an assault rifle at a gun show with no questions 
asked? Don't you realize that people from other countries know more about 
our laws and constitution that ANYONE living in the USA does? All I can say 
is that you have one hell of a lot of nerve!
         Dave
PS, God save us from "little old ladies"--especially those from other 
countries!


>I live in Virginia about 2 hours for the shooting.  Yes, Virginia is lax with
>gun laws compared to New York or Washington, DC. To clarify some statements
>by others: Virginia Tech college does not allow guns on the campus period! 
>You
>cannot buy any handgun in Virginia, no matter what caliber, at show or
>business without a background check thru the police, which are set up at 
>the gun
>shows.  Businesses must call in before selling.  To carry a concealed 
>weapon, you
>must first pass a gun safety/handling/shooting course, then submit form to 
>the
>County Circuit Clerks office to approve,  County police chief to approve, and
>the county district attorneys office to approve.  All of these offices do a
>background check on you before approving.  It used to be that you had to 
>appear
>before judge and justify why you wanted the concealed weapon.  That was
>dropped a few years ago.
>Tom Schmutz



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Apr 17 15:23:19 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:23:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <bfb.1423acd2.335543f0@aol.com><000801c78078$f2bde2f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><46242C94.1020202@telenet.net><010101c780a5$54e54820$5983fb40@HP28276676518><001801c780bf$191e3f30$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070417100221.04e5b168@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000801c7813f$03f02120$7a526c3a@Edd>

So Dave you are calling better than 50 percent of your population lily 
livered cowards and so non of your military and soldiers who have given 
there lives in Iraq and other places are Democrats.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


> Hi Peter,
>         We have people here in the USA who argue as you do on this issue.
> In general they are lilly livered cowards who take no responsibility for
> their own lives and safety, but rather expect government to take care of
> them from the cradle to the grave. We call them DEMOCRATS!
>         Dave
>
> At 02:07 AM 4/17/2007, you wrote:
>>So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and
>>then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to
>>reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable 
>>but
>>a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be
>>mayhem!
>>I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and
>>saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in
>>Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
>>Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and
>>you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be
>>reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
>>A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million 
>>hand
>>guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from 
>>,maybe
>>they are correct ,maybe not.
>>I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem 
>>in
>>the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National
>>Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying
>>power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
>>Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun
>>control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this
>>morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Apr 17 15:05:54 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:05:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish>  test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1176825602.21959.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070417211601.04987ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>Hi Guys,
         This is totally off topic but the list has been terribly quiet 
just lately - good to see some activity even if it is not engine related - 
at least we have a lot of members communicating. I was beginning to think 
that the list was going through it's "death throes" - good to see there are 
still people reading it (and responding). (Hey - we did not have too much 
"cabin fever" coming over he list this year - what happened - did you 
northern hemisphere guys have a mild winter?").

         My "tuppence ha'pennies" (I'm not sure what that is in US$) worth 
follows. I'm going to try my best not to be "racist" and apologise up front 
to any members who may think differently about my views. My only defence is 
"Do not criticize if you have not been there!".

         I'm not responding to any one particular "post" here. There have 
been so many posts on this subject (and most of you did not "snip" your 
replies so I just skimmed through them).

         I live in South Africa and as most of you know we have a pretty 
bad history, what with Apartheid and the like. We are now a "democratic" 
(note the quotes) country ruled by the vote of the mostly tribal majority.

         If any of you know the history of South Africa you will know that 
the greatest "General" that the indigenous people had was "Chaka" (a.k.a. 
"Shaka" or "Shaka Zulu"). He ruled with an iron fist and his word was law. 
Anyone who disagreed with him in any way was quickly despatched to join his 
forefathers with an "assegai" (short stabbing spear) applied through the 
rib cage directly to the heart or thereabouts. There were no "trials", 
"magistrates", "hearings", "court cases" or "lawbooks". Violence ruled and 
no one dared to question the leaders authority.
         Not much has changed - our elections (although usually reported by 
the press as being "free and fair") are usually preceded by much violence 
and intimidation in the "townships"
("townships" are best explained as the areas occupied by the previously 
disadvantaged citizens of this country). The majority of people are not 
given the chance to decide for themselves who to vote for. They live in 
constant fear of being killed if they do not vote for the correct party (as 
in disagreeing with Chaka - assegai to the heart or similar - assegai's 
have now been replaced with AK-47's or Makarov pistols - strange that both 
these weapons originate from the former Soviet Bloc). They do not realise 
that the "ballot form" they make their mark on cannot be traced to an 
individual - at least that part of the voting process is still sacred.

         Our elections are also usually preceded by an increase in the 
number of "armed hijackings", "armed heists" and "armed bank robberies" 
usually employing (again) AK-47's and Makarov pistols which are never 
solved or brought to court. The question has to be asked "Where is the 
money for the election advertising coming from?"

         O.K. I'll try to get back on track now. AK-47's and Makarov 
pistols were never legally imported into this country. Our previous 
government were very "anti-communist" and did not do business with the 
Soviet Bloc. Also, our previous laws (and they still hold good today) did 
not allow the private ownership of automatic or semi-automatic weapons. It 
then goes without saying that these weapons are "illegal". Does that bother 
the criminals ?

         Gun control is now being exerted upon us normal citizens who would 
just like to have a gun (either a rifle or a hand gun for self protection 
or even for hunting) but this right is being taken away from us. Our 
government loves to hide behind the excuse that they are just following 
world trends (and the USA features greatly in this one).

         Licensed weapons are NOT used to commit crime - it is the 
unlicensed weapons used by criminals that are used. If anyone thinks that 
Gun Control Laws will put an end to this then they need their "heads to be 
read" - (sorry - that's a South African saying - it means that "you are 
stupid, naive or sick" - just in case you did not understand).

         Our Police force members are even scared to use their guns these 
days as, if they happen to kill a criminal who is pointing a gun at them 
they could be charged with murder and will really battle to prove their 
innocence. The law protects the criminal.

         I was attacked in my home at 7:45 am one morning and myself and my 
son (19 at the time) were stabbed by a criminal wielding a dagger and a 
"panga" ("machete", "bushknife"). I was stabbed in the arms, chest and head 
and my son was chopped on the wrist (put his arm up to defend himself) with 
the panga and also stabbed with the dagger in various places including the 
face and arms. We were lucky - I grabbed the perp., actually the blades of 
his knives, as they were the best points of leverage, and ended up in a 
wrestling match with him, he was much younger and stronger than me and I 
would have lost the battle had my son not had the presence of mind to rush 
off to his room and get his revolver. He shot the criminal dead - had this 
not happened I would not have been a member of this list today. We were 
very lucky (that happened in December 1996) because: 1) the new laws were 
only being promulgated then and, 2) the criminal was only armed with knives 
- today they carry "unlicensed guns" and do not hesitate to use them!

         Some of you may use the old story that he was only armed with 
knives and we brought a gun into the equation - but the gun saved my life 
and probably my son's a well. I've never used a gun to commit a crime - I 
consider myself to be a responsible gun owner but do feel that I need one 
for my own protection - especially in this country where our violent crime 
statistics rate the highest in the world and legally licensed guns never 
feature in violent crime. Yet our government is trying to take our legal 
weapons away from us - is this to give the criminals a better chance to get 
rid of us ?

         If the above  had happened today, I might have been sitting in 
jail for murdering a poor petty criminal whose only intention was to break 
into my house, relieve me of all my valuable possessions (which I had spent 
half a lifetime working for) and kill me in the process if necessary.

         You guys overseas probably never see news articles on crime in 
this country - why - because our government does their level best to hide 
them. Our police force used to have an excellent record for solving crimes 
- the present police force (and I apologise to the few dedicated police 
officers who are really trying to make a difference) just does not seem to 
care about solving crime - they are more interested in "going on strike" 
for better working conditions, housing and higher wages etc. (I do agree 
that they are "under funded" but that all comes back to our governments 
attitude that "crime is not a problem").

         We had a case in December where a world renowned Historian in Kwa 
Zulu Natal was murdered by "petty" robbers in his home - that case was 
solved and the criminals prosecuted and sentenced within a month - Why - 
because he was "world renowned" - a friend of Prince Charles and many other 
world figures. The government needed to be seen as "law abiding" in the 
eyes of the world and got off their backsides and made things happen.

         An acquaintance of mine (not world renowned - lived next door to 
my girlfriend) was murdered by robbers in his home in January (about 10 
miles from me) - he arrived home from work one afternoon and as he opened 
his door his head was smashed in with a hammer by the criminals waiting 
inside his house - he was never given a chance to hand over his money or 
anything else - he was just murdered for the joy of it - this crime will 
probably never be solved - Why - because the rest of the world will 
probably never hear about it !! He was a lay preacher and had a chapel 
built on his property and was  considered by all who knew him as a 
humanitarian , always ready to help anyone in distress irrespective of 
their skin colour. He was also a slightly built person - not he kind of 
person able to "put up a fight". The criminals are cowards and usually go 
for soft targets like him or old retired couples. (His neice died of a 
heart attack when given the news of his murder)

         (If you do not believe me do a "google" for "farm murders" "south 
africa" - you may be shocked)

Why does all this happen - Because all the "do gooders" in the western 
world think that we are dealing with people just like them - people with 
the same values as them but just have a different skin colour - people who 
are sane and able to make up their own minds - has'nt the story of Africa 
over the last 40 years opened their eyes?

         I could go on for hours more but this is an "engine list" and I 
apologise once again for putting you guys through this.

         To all those countries facing "gun control" laws brought on by "do 
gooders" who have no clue as to what this modern world is all about I would 
just ask you to fight against those laws - they will only leave you and 
your families defenceless against the bad guys. Why the hell can 
governments not realise that criminals do not obey laws anyway. Much better 
if they allow a "shoot to kill" law against criminals. It would save the 
taxpayer millions in court fees - luxury accommodation (todays jails) and 
make life so much better for all us citizens who put the damn government 
there in the first place.

         Once again I am going to apologise to any list members who find 
this post to be offensive - I will not reply to any posts that try to 
condemn it. If you want to reply to me then spare the list and write 
directly to me "off list" I promise to reply to all those who do so but 
will not get involved in any political  discussions with people who have no 
experience with our situation. I do not like politics.

         As I said before "Do not criticize if you have not been there!". 
I've been there - done that and bought the "T" shirt - and I am living the 
experience.

         O.K. anyone got any engine related stuff to talk about - Patrick 
Livingstone in Aus - thanks for the good pics (as always).

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Apr 17 16:52:37 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:52:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
Message-ID: <cfc.d76d0ef.3356b7c5@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/17/2007 5:33:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

How dare you contradict a list member
 
Dave,
 
Please accept my most humble apologizes!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Apr 17 16:28:48 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:28:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish>  test...now 33...OT
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070417211601.04987ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <025a01c7814c$97513e10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Well said Jerry.
I have a brother living there and I have seen it when I visited.
 Like,Supermarkets have ARMED guards while open!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Apr 17 17:39:00 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:39:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <d26.6f5c461.33569169@aol.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070417172445.0570dc60@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001301c78151$f6337510$6500a8c0@home>


 My two cents;

        Wow we have lots of opinions out there and that's good , That means 
were free and live in a free country and are free to express our opinions , 
I was born and raised with guns at my side I was taught to shoot and shoot 
straight at 4 years old, I have owned guns all my life , I hunt , fish and 
even trapped animals , I have even used a gun to protect me and my family 
from a would be robber or whatever he wanted (tried to break in my house and 
wouldn't stop till he heard me kick a round in the 12 gauge pump)  I served 
in the US ARMY(62-65) and carried a rifle and pistol at 17 years old, at my 
discharge date I got orders to serve in Viet Nam and a year extension but 
things cooled down and my orders canceled and I got discharged  ,  I will 
say this ,I have the utmost respect for any one served in any war and my 
hats off  to all our soldiers , No one will take my guns away without me 
getting very very angry ,  A gun will not discharge unless the trigger is 
pulled and to pull the trigger repeatedly killing innocent people takes a 
very very deranged person and he probably would have found another way if he 
had no guns,

> Sorry but thats my stand ,
    Rex Hinz
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Apr 17 18:32:39 2007
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:32:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Patrick Livingstone?mystery Engine
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070418030718.04985d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi List and Patrick,
         Thanks for the great pics of the Wagga show.
         Some time back I looked at your pics of "mystery engines' 
(actually a long time ago - but I've been busy and not had a lot of time to 
write to the list).
         There is an engine listed under your "mystery engines" page which 
looks very much like a "Gilson Model (or Type) "B".  From the pics I could 
not identify it positively but one of the list members has a history of 
Gilson on their page - can anyone supply a link - I've lost it.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
Cell: 083 293 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  



From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Tue Apr 17 18:42:19 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:42:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
References: <d26.6f5c461.33569169@aol.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070417172445.0570dc60@mail.alltel.net>
	<001301c78151$f6337510$6500a8c0@home>
Message-ID: <009201c7815a$ce7a9bd0$efd04c0c@D48VHZ61>

It has been done another way Rex. I beleive it was last year someone took 
their car and intentionally drove it into a large crowd at UNC Chapel Hill.

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT


>
> My two cents;
> he probably would have found another way if he
> had no guns,
>
>> Sorry but thats my stand ,
>    Rex Hinz
>> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 17 18:58:14 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:58:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally
References: <20070417075852.ZQRE28205.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <006901c7815d$076c7b00$240110ac@FAMILY>

Great pictures Patrick, thanks for posting them for us to see.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:59 AM
Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally


> Last weekend was spent down in Wagga at their rally. As always a great
> weekend with a friendly club. Engine numbers were a little down but it was
> still a good display and a good weekend was had by all. Pictures at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/wag071.html
>
> 




From dbm4gk at chartermi.net  Tue Apr 17 19:26:30 2007
From: dbm4gk at chartermi.net (dbm4gk)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:26:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] --now 33
Message-ID: <000901c78160$f9df1a20$6401a8c0@bart>

Hello List,



The killing in Virginia may be the highest number of students killed with a 
gun, but events like this are not new. We now hear about them much quicker 
and they are analyzed by the press till something else comes along.   In 
1927 in the town of Bath, Michigan a farmer upset with a new property tax 
that was to be used to build a new school set off a dynamite charge that 
killed 43 people.  Thirty-nine of them were grade school children.  See this 
link http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bauerle/bathlink.htm .  He 
missed the school superintendent with the first one so he went back the next 
day and blew up his car killing the super and himself.  My point is that the 
deranged will use whatever is available to achieve their warped goal.  Life 
is often messy and there are no guarantees on how long it will last.

Dave




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 17 20:05:44 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:05:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Skip Landis
Message-ID: <008a01c78166$756e2af0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Can someone send me Skip Landis' e-mail address or phone number?

Thanks,

Paul



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr 17 21:41:01 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:41:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070417211601.04987ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <mailman.1.1176825602.21959.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
	<5.2.1.1.0.20070417211601.04987ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070417234008.0521dd58@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Jerry, Thanks for your comments!
         Dave

At 05:05 PM 4/17/2007, you wrote:

> >Hi Guys,
>          This is totally off topic but the list has been terribly quiet
>just lately - good to see some activity even if it is not engine related -
>at least we have a lot of members communicating. I was beginning to think
>that the list was going through it's "death throes" - good to see there are
>still people reading it (and responding). (Hey - we did not have too much
>"cabin fever" coming over he list this year - what happened - did you
>northern hemisphere guys have a mild winter?").
>
>          My "tuppence ha'pennies" (I'm not sure what that is in US$) worth
>follows. I'm going to try my best not to be "racist" and apologise up front
>to any members who may think differently about my views. My only defence is
>"Do not criticize if you have not been there!".
>
>          I'm not responding to any one particular "post" here. There have
>been so many posts on this subject (and most of you did not "snip" your
>replies so I just skimmed through them).
>
>          I live in South Africa and as most of you know we have a pretty
>bad history, what with Apartheid and the like. We are now a "democratic"
>(note the quotes) country ruled by the vote of the mostly tribal majority.
>
>          If any of you know the history of South Africa you will know that
>the greatest "General" that the indigenous people had was "Chaka" (a.k.a.
>"Shaka" or "Shaka Zulu"). He ruled with an iron fist and his word was law.
>Anyone who disagreed with him in any way was quickly despatched to join his
>forefathers with an "assegai" (short stabbing spear) applied through the
>rib cage directly to the heart or thereabouts. There were no "trials",
>"magistrates", "hearings", "court cases" or "lawbooks". Violence ruled and
>no one dared to question the leaders authority.
>          Not much has changed - our elections (although usually reported by
>the press as being "free and fair") are usually preceded by much violence
>and intimidation in the "townships"
>("townships" are best explained as the areas occupied by the previously
>disadvantaged citizens of this country). The majority of people are not
>given the chance to decide for themselves who to vote for. They live in
>constant fear of being killed if they do not vote for the correct party (as
>in disagreeing with Chaka - assegai to the heart or similar - assegai's
>have now been replaced with AK-47's or Makarov pistols - strange that both
>these weapons originate from the former Soviet Bloc). They do not realise
>that the "ballot form" they make their mark on cannot be traced to an
>individual - at least that part of the voting process is still sacred.
>
>          Our elections are also usually preceded by an increase in the
>number of "armed hijackings", "armed heists" and "armed bank robberies"
>usually employing (again) AK-47's and Makarov pistols which are never
>solved or brought to court. The question has to be asked "Where is the
>money for the election advertising coming from?"
>
>          O.K. I'll try to get back on track now. AK-47's and Makarov
>pistols were never legally imported into this country. Our previous
>government were very "anti-communist" and did not do business with the
>Soviet Bloc. Also, our previous laws (and they still hold good today) did
>not allow the private ownership of automatic or semi-automatic weapons. It
>then goes without saying that these weapons are "illegal". Does that bother
>the criminals ?
>
>          Gun control is now being exerted upon us normal citizens who would
>just like to have a gun (either a rifle or a hand gun for self protection
>or even for hunting) but this right is being taken away from us. Our
>government loves to hide behind the excuse that they are just following
>world trends (and the USA features greatly in this one).
>
>          Licensed weapons are NOT used to commit crime - it is the
>unlicensed weapons used by criminals that are used. If anyone thinks that
>Gun Control Laws will put an end to this then they need their "heads to be
>read" - (sorry - that's a South African saying - it means that "you are
>stupid, naive or sick" - just in case you did not understand).
>
>          Our Police force members are even scared to use their guns these
>days as, if they happen to kill a criminal who is pointing a gun at them
>they could be charged with murder and will really battle to prove their
>innocence. The law protects the criminal.
>
>          I was attacked in my home at 7:45 am one morning and myself and my
>son (19 at the time) were stabbed by a criminal wielding a dagger and a
>"panga" ("machete", "bushknife"). I was stabbed in the arms, chest and head
>and my son was chopped on the wrist (put his arm up to defend himself) with
>the panga and also stabbed with the dagger in various places including the
>face and arms. We were lucky - I grabbed the perp., actually the blades of
>his knives, as they were the best points of leverage, and ended up in a
>wrestling match with him, he was much younger and stronger than me and I
>would have lost the battle had my son not had the presence of mind to rush
>off to his room and get his revolver. He shot the criminal dead - had this
>not happened I would not have been a member of this list today. We were
>very lucky (that happened in December 1996) because: 1) the new laws were
>only being promulgated then and, 2) the criminal was only armed with knives
>- today they carry "unlicensed guns" and do not hesitate to use them!
>
>          Some of you may use the old story that he was only armed with
>knives and we brought a gun into the equation - but the gun saved my life
>and probably my son's a well. I've never used a gun to commit a crime - I
>consider myself to be a responsible gun owner but do feel that I need one
>for my own protection - especially in this country where our violent crime
>statistics rate the highest in the world and legally licensed guns never
>feature in violent crime. Yet our government is trying to take our legal
>weapons away from us - is this to give the criminals a better chance to get
>rid of us ?
>
>          If the above  had happened today, I might have been sitting in
>jail for murdering a poor petty criminal whose only intention was to break
>into my house, relieve me of all my valuable possessions (which I had spent
>half a lifetime working for) and kill me in the process if necessary.
>
>          You guys overseas probably never see news articles on crime in
>this country - why - because our government does their level best to hide
>them. Our police force used to have an excellent record for solving crimes
>- the present police force (and I apologise to the few dedicated police
>officers who are really trying to make a difference) just does not seem to
>care about solving crime - they are more interested in "going on strike"
>for better working conditions, housing and higher wages etc. (I do agree
>that they are "under funded" but that all comes back to our governments
>attitude that "crime is not a problem").
>
>          We had a case in December where a world renowned Historian in Kwa
>Zulu Natal was murdered by "petty" robbers in his home - that case was
>solved and the criminals prosecuted and sentenced within a month - Why -
>because he was "world renowned" - a friend of Prince Charles and many other
>world figures. The government needed to be seen as "law abiding" in the
>eyes of the world and got off their backsides and made things happen.
>
>          An acquaintance of mine (not world renowned - lived next door to
>my girlfriend) was murdered by robbers in his home in January (about 10
>miles from me) - he arrived home from work one afternoon and as he opened
>his door his head was smashed in with a hammer by the criminals waiting
>inside his house - he was never given a chance to hand over his money or
>anything else - he was just murdered for the joy of it - this crime will
>probably never be solved - Why - because the rest of the world will
>probably never hear about it !! He was a lay preacher and had a chapel
>built on his property and was  considered by all who knew him as a
>humanitarian , always ready to help anyone in distress irrespective of
>their skin colour. He was also a slightly built person - not he kind of
>person able to "put up a fight". The criminals are cowards and usually go
>for soft targets like him or old retired couples. (His neice died of a
>heart attack when given the news of his murder)
>
>          (If you do not believe me do a "google" for "farm murders" "south
>africa" - you may be shocked)
>
>Why does all this happen - Because all the "do gooders" in the western
>world think that we are dealing with people just like them - people with
>the same values as them but just have a different skin colour - people who
>are sane and able to make up their own minds - has'nt the story of Africa
>over the last 40 years opened their eyes?
>
>          I could go on for hours more but this is an "engine list" and I
>apologise once again for putting you guys through this.
>
>          To all those countries facing "gun control" laws brought on by "do
>gooders" who have no clue as to what this modern world is all about I would
>just ask you to fight against those laws - they will only leave you and
>your families defenceless against the bad guys. Why the hell can
>governments not realise that criminals do not obey laws anyway. Much better
>if they allow a "shoot to kill" law against criminals. It would save the
>taxpayer millions in court fees - luxury accommodation (todays jails) and
>make life so much better for all us citizens who put the damn government
>there in the first place.
>
>          Once again I am going to apologise to any list members who find
>this post to be offensive - I will not reply to any posts that try to
>condemn it. If you want to reply to me then spare the list and write
>directly to me "off list" I promise to reply to all those who do so but
>will not get involved in any political  discussions with people who have no
>experience with our situation. I do not like politics.
>
>          As I said before "Do not criticize if you have not been there!".
>I've been there - done that and bought the "T" shirt - and I am living the
>experience.
>
>          O.K. anyone got any engine related stuff to talk about - Patrick
>Livingstone in Aus - thanks for the good pics (as always).
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Tel. (016) 365-5787
>Intntl.: +2716 365-5787
>Cell: 083 293 7191
>Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
>www.oldengine.org/members/evans
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr 17 21:52:48 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:52:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
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Hi EDD,
         Sorry, but I can not make much sense out of your comments. Could 
you try again, but this time before you have consumed so much alcohol?
         Dave

At 05:23 PM 4/17/2007, you wrote:
>So Dave you are calling better than 50 percent of your population lily
>livered cowards and so non of your military and soldiers who have given
>there lives in Iraq and other places are Democrats.
>EDD PAYNE
>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
>Australia
>2852
>Phone:0263742387
>edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>edsengns
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:06 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
>
>
> > Hi Peter,
> >         We have people here in the USA who argue as you do on this issue.
> > In general they are lilly livered cowards who take no responsibility for
> > their own lives and safety, but rather expect government to take care of
> > them from the cradle to the grave. We call them DEMOCRATS!
> >         Dave



From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Apr 17 20:55:42 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:55:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
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peter ogborne wrote:
> So what do you do let everyone have a gun?Is it a case of shoot first and 
> then ask questions?We have a law that says that we can use like force to 
> reject an assault or house intrusion ,bloody stupid and quite unworkable but 
> a lot less reactionary than your suggestion of arming everyone,It would be 
> mayhem!
> I may well be wrong but I heard an '' Expert '' talking this morning and 
> saying that firearms are allowed on the campus .Perhaps this is just in 
> Virginia.If this is correct then it defies logic!!
> Lyles fundamentalist solutions ........well I think it has been tried and 
> you can not account for nutters as in the case in question .It would be 
> reactionary rather than some attempt to prevent such things happening.
> A statistic I heard .....in the world there are an estimated 6 million hand 
> guns ,2 million are in the US. Don't know where these stats came from ,maybe 
> they are correct ,maybe not.
> I think [and this will create a hell of a response ] that the big problem in 
> the US and to a lesser degree in Australia is the power of the National 
> Rifleman's Association.Correct me if I am wrong but is not their lobbying 
> power awesome,not many politicians will stand up to them?
> Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun 
> control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this 
> morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''
> 

NONE of the states that have gun control have shown ANY decrease in gun 
crime NONE.
Washington DC. For instance has the strictest gun controls of ANY area 
in the US, They also have the second highest gun crime rate in the WORLD.
California comes in second in gun control laws, They also come in 5th in 
the world in gun crime per capita.

Now if you look at the states that have removed the bans and 
restrictions, guess what you find? A REDUCTION IN ALL CRIMES. Why? 
Simple, an armed target is no fun to attack.
Florida just did the same thing and with only one year of liberty crime 
has gone DOWN.

You might want to read the TRUTH about what the NRA does and why. Not 
listen to the total BULL that the idiot media fluffs claim is the truth.


From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Apr 17 21:12:41 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:12:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Virginia Uni Killings
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peter ogborne wrote:
> Chuck and Reg .My opinions are as a complete out sider . I am trying not  to 
> be critical of the Laws that you have in the US . I can only repeat what I 
> hear and that is Virginia has very lax laws. It seems , so i hear that a 
> person can go to a gun show and buy  an assault rifle with out any 
> conditions. 

BULL. What you have heard is WRONG.

It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for 
civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. 
Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time 
their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, 
and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, 
and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and 
Firearms (BATF) in its National Firearms Registry.

To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is 
conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward 
violence, and an application must be submitted to the BATF including two 
sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of 
the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and 
possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with 
public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a 
chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's 
residence.

Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of 
newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. 
Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are 
regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after 
the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.

Twenty-five states have no further restrictions on civilian ownership of 
machine guns (some require registration with the state) than what is 
required by federal law. Other states have either placed further 
restrictions or outlawed operable machine guns to civilians entirely. 
For further details see NRA state firearm law summaries.
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/FederalGunLaws.aspx?ID=60

The steps to take to purchase a LEGAL transferable machine gun are:

   Find a dealer locally who can assist you in all phases of the 
transfer. This should go beyond helping you fill out the paperwork: 
they should help you locate the gun if it isn't in stock and allow you 
to shoot the gun while your paperwork is being processed by the BATF 
(Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms). It will usually take 4-6 
weeks for the dealer to get the gun from another dealer if they don't 
already have it in stock (due to BATF paperwork delays).

   Get your fingerprints (either by a police dept. or by a qualified 
finger printer, two imprints are needed) and two passport sized pictures 
taken. These will be used to perform a comprehensive criminal background 
check on you.

    Have your local dealer help you fill out an "Application for Tax 
Paid Transfer And Registration Of Firearm" for, known as a "form 4".

    You must have the signature of the Chief Law Enforcement (CLEO) 
officer that has jurisdiction over the municipality in which you live on 
the form 4. This could be the City Chief or the County Sheriff, for 
example. This is usually not a problem -- in machine gun friendly states.

   The form 4, CLEO signature, 2 fingerprint cards, 2 pictures, and a 
$200 check (your one-time transfer tax) must all be mailed to the BATF 
and an approved tax stamp returned before you may take possession of the 
gun.  This may take anywhere from 2 to 5 months.

In 1995 there were over 240,000 machine guns registered with the BATF. 
(Zawitz, Marianne,Bureau of Justice Statistics, Guns Used in Crime 
[PDF].) About half are owned by civilians and the other half by police 
departments and other governmental agencies (Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: 
Firearms and Their Control, Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997.)

Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed 
with LEGALLY owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a 
law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 
1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman 
Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber 
submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. 
Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were 
sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine 
guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.

In 1980, when Miami's homicide rate was at an all-time high, less than 
1% of all homicides involved machine guns. (Miami was supposedly a 
"machine gun Mecca" and drug trafficking capital of the U.S.) Although 
there are no national figures to compare to, machine gun deaths were 
probably lower elsewhere. Kleck cites several examples:

     * Of 2,200 guns recovered by Minneapolis police (1987-1989), not 
one was fully automatic.

     * A total of 420 weapons, including 375 guns, were seized during 
drug warrant executions and arrests by the Metropolitan Area Narcotics 
Squad (Will and Grundie counties in the Chicago metropolitan area, 
1980-1989). None of the guns was a machine gun.

     * 16 of 2,359 (0.7%) of the guns seized in the Detroit area 
(1991-1992) in connection with "the investigation of narcotics 
trafficking operations" were machine guns.

Want me to cite some more facts or will you admit your wrong?


If this is so then it is no wonder that there are crazys out
> there trying to emulate what they might see on TV . If this is what the law 
> allows then so be it and good luck to you in the US.
> To Reg ....if you want to go down the road that the US has followed what can 
> i say except that i hope not to be around.
> Chuck ,as for defending myself ,my wife ,my property yes up there with the 
> best of them ,I am not a shrinking violet.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au 
> 
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> 

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York

Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
he'd have become a vegan.


From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Apr 17 22:22:21 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:22:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
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Hi Steve,
         Where the hell do you get off telling Peter to fine out what the 
NRA stands for before makes statements about gun control? Those who are for 
gun control need no facts to back up their position! Get off your high 
horse and admit that the TRUTH has no place in the (little) minds of those 
who would take your guns away!
         Dave
PS, Gun control means using both hands!


>You might want to read the TRUTH about what the NRA does and why. Not
>listen to the total BULL that the idiot media fluffs claim is the truth.



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Apr 18 02:41:10 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:41:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Skip Landis
References: <008a01c78166$756e2af0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV99B2CDCBAC1FB6101A28ABB500@phx.gbl>

Check under sponsor on Harry's, Paul.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Skip Landis


> Can someone send me Skip Landis' e-mail address or phone number?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Apr 18 04:31:47 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:31:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] something here for you old blokes
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References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203>
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>you never know when some tools can come in handy!

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Vintage-Castrating-Tool_W0QQitemZ250104008029QQihZ015QQcategoryZ105812QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Russell

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Apr 18 04:50:47 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:50:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] something here for you old blokes
References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203><7.0.1.0.0.20070320214900.01e45868@ncable.com.au><000701c76c5b$a87656e0$0301a8c0@Young1203><46029BCA.5000500@imc-group.com>
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Oysters are well over 10 bucks a pound in "The Big Sky."

Hmmmm

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:31 AM
Subject: [SEL] something here for you old blokes


>
> >you never know when some tools can come in handy!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Vintage-Castrating-Tool_W0QQitemZ250104008029QQihZ015QQcategoryZ105812QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> Russell
>
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>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
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> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Apr 18 06:11:48 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:11:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  test...now 33...OT
Message-ID: <20070418131512.77D1F58705@gw1.nlenet.net>

Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine 
High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the 
hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the 
seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy 
Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven 
children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother 
Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither 
was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was 
Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how 
quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am 
not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. 
I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't 
believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore 
I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they 
had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- 
it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where 
the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much 
of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers 
themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my 
feelings best. This was written way before I knew I would be speaking 
here today:

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!


"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, 
and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our 
make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to 
rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our 
educational
systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges 
began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has 
happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so 
doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something 
as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately 
look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass 
more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and 
private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and 
Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of 
gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of 
massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.
"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw 
his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to 
pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! 
I challenge every young person in America, and around the world, to 
realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was 
brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by 
those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with 
a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right 
to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger 
at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your
own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this 
country will not allow that to happen!"



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77.5164|
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Apr 18 06:28:11 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:28:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  test...now 33...OT
Message-ID: <20070418132841.2DB325870E@gw1.nlenet.net>


peter ogborne wrote:

 > Finally I would be interested to know which states in the US have gun
 > control that works, also to  ask the parents of those kids killed this
 > morning what they think about ''The Right To Bare Arms''

Good question.  Please see my post a few min. ago for a answer from a 
parent of a victim of another school murder
Frank

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr 18 06:37:38 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:37:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
Message-ID: <006d01c781be$bb298be0$0601a8c0@altech>

 Hi All

 Earlier this year there was a Gardner engine on ebay for sale in Oz, does
 anyone have any idea who was the seller, or their Ebay ID so I can contact
 them please.
 It did not sell as far as I can remember.
 The Gardner is a nice engine and there is a nice display at the Anson 
Museum
 in the UK when I visited last December meeting Geoff Challinor & Dave 
Croft.
 http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=11
 I would like to track down the one in Oz.

 Regards
 Peter, Oz



From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Apr 18 07:51:42 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:51:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418001544.04e12160@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEPCFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Hear, hear!

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave
> Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:22 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] test...now 33...OT
> 
> 
> Hi Steve,
>          Where the hell do you get off telling 
> Peter to fine out what the 
> NRA stands for before makes statements about gun 
> control? Those who are for 
> gun control need no facts to back up their 
> position! Get off your high 
> horse and admit that the TRUTH has no place in 
> the (little) minds of those 
> who would take your guns away!
>          Dave
> PS, Gun control means using both hands!
> 
> 
> >You might want to read the TRUTH about what the 
> NRA does and why. Not
> >listen to the total BULL that the idiot media 
> fluffs claim is the truth.




From skipl130 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 18 07:19:02 2007
From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:19:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Skip Landis
In-Reply-To: <008a01c78166$756e2af0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <335549.74443.qm@web35302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

skipl130 at yahoo.com     406 857 2321 

Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:  Can someone send me Skip Landis' e-mail address or phone number?

Thanks,

Paul

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From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Apr 18 07:42:54 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:42:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
In-Reply-To: <006d01c781be$bb298be0$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <006d01c781be$bb298be0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070418104153.02ee0710@pop3.wcoil.com>

I take it then you don't mean the one thats currently on there thats not 
sold yet ? Item number: 140108106843
[]




At 09:37 AM 4/18/07, you wrote:
>  Hi All
>
>  Earlier this year there was a Gardner engine on ebay for sale in Oz, does
>  anyone have any idea who was the seller, or their Ebay ID so I can contact
>  them please.
>  It did not sell as far as I can remember.
>  The Gardner is a nice engine and there is a nice display at the Anson
>Museum
>  in the UK when I visited last December meeting Geoff Challinor & Dave
>Croft.
>  http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=11
>  I would like to track down the one in Oz.
>
>  Regards
>  Peter, Oz
>
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From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 18 07:45:38 2007
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:45:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Ethyl alcohol BP
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEEAFJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <889503.18391.qm@web59207.mail.re1.yahoo.com>



Does anyone have at hand a reference book in which the boiling point of ethyl alcohol is given?  ( Either C of F OK.  I kant spel the F word without my dick shun airy. )  Thanks, Bill..
  CtwoHsixO  ( Also, can't write numeric subscripts.)



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Wed Apr 18 07:50:15 2007
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:50:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] UK Question
Message-ID: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Can somebody please tell me an American translation for silver steel and 
gunmetal?

Jim

Jim and Diane
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net 



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 18 08:36:56 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:36:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Another one followed me home today
Message-ID: <395789.8778.qm@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Morning folks,
  Another engine came home with me today. It's a Delco engine generator. Don't know too much about it yet. other than it's a single cylinder vertical 4 cycle with a big cast flywheel with cooling fins cast into it. The only tag I find on it so far says Delco Light and a series of stamped numbers on it. Probably a serial number. It
   appears to be missing a cover around the cylinder cooling fins and possible a top of some sort. There are wires hanging out of it all over the generator. Wonder if they should be attached to a control panel. Design voltage?? That's a good question.
  Any ideas??
  Ron


  Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex 
    http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
  " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
   


       
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Apr 18 08:47:14 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:47:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Another one followed me home today
Message-ID: <20070418154907.E31E858025@gw1.nlenet.net>


Morning folks,
   Another engine came home with me today. It's a Delco engine 
generator. Don't know too much about it yet. other than it's a single 
cylinder vertical 4 cycle with a big cast flywheel with cooling fins 
cast into it. The only tag I find on it so far says Delco Light and a 
series of stamped numbers on it. Probably a serial number. It
    appears to be missing a cover around the cylinder cooling fins 
and possible a top of some sort. There are wires hanging out of it 
all over the generator. Wonder if they should be attached to a 
control panel. Design voltage?? That's a good question.
   Any ideas??
   Ron
   Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
------------------------------------------
You can start with my site.  I haven't updated it in a long time but 
it should allow you to get the make and model.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/d-id.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/
   Then go over to <http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6>
and lots of people will help

Frank

From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Apr 18 08:49:56 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:49:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ethyl alcohol BP
Message-ID: <20070418.084956.1868.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Boiling Point: 351.6 K (78.4 ?
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:45:38 -0700 (PDT) William Young
<wmlyoung at yahoo.com> writes:
> 
> 
> Does anyone have at hand a reference book in which the boiling point 
> of ethyl alcohol is given?  ( Either C of F OK.  I kant spel the F 
> word without my dick shun airy. )  Thanks, Bill..
>   CtwoHsixO  ( Also, can't write numeric subscripts.)


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr 18 08:57:48 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:57:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ethyl alcohol BP
In-Reply-To: <889503.18391.qm@web59207.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <889503.18391.qm@web59207.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D7196CD2-6E0C-47E4-BD2A-B1A0145FFBDF@rustyiron.com>

On Apr 18, 2007, at 7:45 AM, William Young wrote:

>
>
> Does anyone have at hand a reference book in which the boiling  
> point of ethyl alcohol is given?  ( Either C of F OK.  I kant spel  
> the F word without my dick shun airy. )  Thanks, Bill..
>   CtwoHsixO  ( Also, can't write numeric subscripts.)


78.4 degrees Celsius.
Gonna whip up a batch of sake?

Rob





From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr 18 09:08:06 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:08:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] UK Question
In-Reply-To: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <C7138827-011C-4137-8A9F-D1A3EDA658FE@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 18, 2007, at 7:50 AM, Jim and Diane wrote:

> Can somebody please tell me an American translation for silver  
> steel and
> gunmetal?


Silver Steel:
TYPICAL ANALYSIS:

C.	Si.	Cr.	Mn.
1.00% 	0.30% 	0.40% 	0.35%
Silver Steel is a 1% carbon tool steel supplied centreless ground to  
close tolerances. Available in 1, 2 or 3 metre lengths. Non standard  
sizes can be produced to your specific requirements.

Hardening: Heat to 770/790?C and thoroughly soak. Quench into well  
agitated water or preferably a 10% brine solution.

Tempering: Heat uniformly and thoroughly at the selected tempering  
temperatures and hold for at least one hour. For your guidance refer  
to our colour charts for forging, hardening and tempering.

Tempering ?C	150	200	250	300
HRC	64/66	62/64	60/58	54/56




Gunmetal:

Gunmetal is a kind of bronze, an alloy of copper, tin, and some zinc,  
originally used chiefly for making guns, but later superseded by  
steel. It is also called red brass in America.
Gunmetals produced for different purposes vary slightly in  
composition. In some cases, the alloy may be composed only from  
copper and tin, or from copper, tin, and lead. It has many uses in  
industry, and is used for statues and various small objects, e.g.  
buttons.
U.S. Government bronze spec. G is a gunmetal composed of 88% copper,  
10% tin, and 2% zinc. U.S. Government bronze spec. H is composed of  
83% copper, 14% tin, 3% zinc, and 0.8% phosphorus.
Gunmetal can also mean steel treated to simulate gunmetal bronze.
Gunmetal is also a name for a shade of grey colour.







From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr 18 09:28:38 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:28:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] UK Question
References: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
	<C7138827-011C-4137-8A9F-D1A3EDA658FE@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <009501c781d6$a1e2faa0$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] UK Question



On Apr 18, 2007, at 7:50 AM, Jim and Diane wrote:

> Can somebody please tell me an American translation for silver
> steel and
> gunmetal?


Silver Steel:
TYPICAL ANALYSIS:

C. Si. Cr. Mn.
1.00% 0.30% 0.40% 0.35%
Silver Steel is a 1% carbon tool steel supplied centreless ground to
close tolerances. Available in 1, 2 or 3 metre lengths. Non standard
sizes can be produced to your specific requirements.

Hardening: Heat to 770/790?C and thoroughly soak. Quench into well
agitated water or preferably a 10% brine solution.

Tempering: Heat uniformly and thoroughly at the selected tempering
temperatures and hold for at least one hour. For your guidance refer
to our colour charts for forging, hardening and tempering.

Tempering ?C 150 200 250 300
HRC 64/66 62/64 60/58 54/56

Gunmetal:

Gunmetal is a kind of bronze, an alloy of copper, tin, and some zinc,
originally used chiefly for making guns, but later superseded by
steel. It is also called red brass in America.
Gunmetals produced for different purposes vary slightly in
composition. In some cases, the alloy may be composed only from
copper and tin, or from copper, tin, and lead. It has many uses in
industry, and is used for statues and various small objects, e.g.
buttons.
U.S. Government bronze spec. G is a gunmetal composed of 88% copper,
10% tin, and 2% zinc. U.S. Government bronze spec. H is composed of
83% copper, 14% tin, 3% zinc, and 0.8% phosphorus.
Gunmetal can also mean steel treated to simulate gunmetal bronze.
Gunmetal is also a name for a shade of grey colour.




I put the question on the UK model engineers group & here are the responses.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Silver steel is drill rod in american, for gunmetal try looking for
"government bronze", link here
http://www.bartleby.com/65/gu/gunmetal.html
Peter
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Silver steel is "drill rod" in US-English. Drill rod being of a bit better
quality than silver steel.
Nick
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gunmetal is "red brass"
Michael
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From ddotto at cableone.net  Wed Apr 18 10:38:59 2007
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:38:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] UK Question
In-Reply-To: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <004801c781e0$72ebc560$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

Silver Steel = Drill Rod 01 or W1
Gunmetal = Bronze 

I'm not sure of the alloy on the Bronze but I would think 660 bearing bronze
would be fine for most applications; I'm not sure about steam service
though.

Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-
> bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim and Diane
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:50 AM
> To: Stationary Engine List
> Subject: [SEL] UK Question
> 
> Can somebody please tell me an American translation for silver steel and
> gunmetal?
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> 
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 18 11:36:51 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:36:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Another one followed me home today
In-Reply-To: <20070418154907.E31E858025@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <717701.48231.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Frank, I'll have to spend some time at these sites and see what I got.
  Ron

Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:
  
Morning folks,
Another engine came home with me today. It's a Delco engine 
generator. Don't know too much about it yet. other than it's a single 
cylinder vertical 4 cycle with a big cast flywheel with cooling fins 
cast into it. The only tag I find on it so far says Delco Light and a 
series of stamped numbers on it. Probably a serial number. It
appears to be missing a cover around the cylinder cooling fins 
and possible a top of some sort. There are wires hanging out of it 
all over the generator. Wonder if they should be attached to a 
control panel. Design voltage?? That's a good question.
Any ideas??
Ron
Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
------------------------------------------
You can start with my site. I haven't updated it in a long time but 
it should allow you to get the make and model.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/d-id.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/
Then go over to 
and lots of people will help

Frank
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 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex 
    http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
  " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
   


       
---------------------------------
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 Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr 18 15:02:33 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:02:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
References: <006d01c781be$bb298be0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20070418104153.02ee0710@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <001001c78205$446d4e50$0601a8c0@altech>


No, not that big yellow monster Mark ;-))
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Gardner-6LX-Marine-Diesel-Engine_W0QQitemZ140108106843QQihZ004QQcategoryZ26451QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Peter, Oz






>I take it then you don't mean the one thats currently on there thats not
> sold yet ? Item number: 140108106843
> []
>
>
>
>
> At 09:37 AM 4/18/07, you wrote:
>>  Hi All
>>
>>  Earlier this year there was a Gardner engine on ebay for sale in Oz, 
>> does
>>  anyone have any idea who was the seller, or their Ebay ID so I can 
>> contact
>>  them please.
>>  It did not sell as far as I can remember.
>>  The Gardner is a nice engine and there is a nice display at the Anson
>>Museum
>>  in the UK when I visited last December meeting Geoff Challinor & Dave
>>Croft.
>>  http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=11
>>  I would like to track down the one in Oz.
>>
>>  Regards
>>  Peter, Oz
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>


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>
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> Parts lists available on request.
>
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> Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Apr 18 15:23:58 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:23:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] UK Question
References: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <003b01c78208$45397090$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I think you call silver steel 'Drill rod'
For practical purposes, Gunmetal is just bronze
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] UK Question


> Can somebody please tell me an American translation for silver steel and 
> gunmetal?
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net 
> 
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>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 18 17:50:00 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:50:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: MICA
Message-ID: <001e01c7821c$a9fc5510$240110ac@FAMILY>

Can anyone help John with this?

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: John R Ames 
To: Paul Maples 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: MICA


HELLO PAUL,  I HAVE A QUESTION, I AM LOOKING FOR A THIN FLAT PIECE
OF MICA OR A TUBE OF MICA WITH  A SMALL ID. 1/16". IT IS TO INSULATE
IN AN AREA WITH HIGH HEAT.  ANY IDEAS?
JOHN


JR


From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Apr 18 18:50:27 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:50:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
         It's only a few times in a man's life that he is able to help a 
good friend turn away from the DARK SIDE and enter upon a path that leads 
to a fuller life and happiness. Last Saturday (April 14, 2007) was one of 
those days for me!
         My good friend has been a FATG for years. He has even written 
books on the subject of antique tractors. He and I have known each other 
for many years, and I could always tell that there was something missing in 
his life. A year or so ago, my friend came to that conclusion himself. 
After much soul searching he reached out for help and it was my good 
fortune to be there in his time of need!
         Several times in the past year my friend has tried to turn away 
from the DARK SIDE, but each time something went wrong and he was unable to 
turn his life around. However, several months ago he made another attempt 
to begin his journey away from evil--and this time he has succeeded!
         Saturday I ventured to Waynesburg, PA to meet Spencer Yost and 
help him take his 25 HP Ball Oil Field Engine off the oil well where it had 
spent it's entire working life. At 7:00 AM I met Spencer and Brice Adams 
and Steve Sewell for breakfast and by 8:00 we were on our way to the Ball 
engine site some 20 miles away. Spencer had hired a fellow with an 
excavator to assist with the job. (What a God-send that was!)
         Steve had said at breakfast that we had better have the engine on 
his trailer and chained down by noon--"Or we will be getting wet!" By 11:30 
it was on the trailer and chained down! It started to rain at 11:45. (Steve 
is usually not that far off!)
         All in all Steve, Brice and I had a great time helping Spencer 
turn toward the LIGHT! He is now the proud owner of a 25 HP Ball Oil Field 
engine and well on his way to a fuller and happier life! (Just look at the 
smile on his face in the pictures!)
         Dave
PS, Pictures are at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html or 
you can go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on "SE 
List Members Engines" and then on 
"<http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html>Spencer 
Yost's 25 HP Ball Engine"
PPS, The first two pictures are of Steve Sewell handing me the flywheels 
that I won on the X-mas Charity Auction--you will see them again!
          



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr 18 18:39:43 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:39:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001701c78223$9b2507b0$0601a8c0@altech>

Great story Dave and fantastic set of before pictures. You really had me 
feeling sad half way through the story ;-)).
Congratulations Spencer and to all that helped him see the LIGHT, Amen.

Peter, Oz





> Hi All,
>         It's only a few times in a man's life that he is able to help a
> good friend turn away from the DARK SIDE and enter upon a path that leads
> to a fuller life and happiness. Last Saturday (April 14, 2007) was one of
> those days for me!
>         My good friend has been a FATG for years. He has even written
> books on the subject of antique tractors. He and I have known each other
> for many years, and I could always tell that there was something missing 
> in
> his life. A year or so ago, my friend came to that conclusion himself.
> After much soul searching he reached out for help and it was my good
> fortune to be there in his time of need!
>         Several times in the past year my friend has tried to turn away
> from the DARK SIDE, but each time something went wrong and he was unable 
> to
> turn his life around. However, several months ago he made another attempt
> to begin his journey away from evil--and this time he has succeeded!
>         Saturday I ventured to Waynesburg, PA to meet Spencer Yost and
> help him take his 25 HP Ball Oil Field Engine off the oil well where it 
> had
> spent it's entire working life. At 7:00 AM I met Spencer and Brice Adams
> and Steve Sewell for breakfast and by 8:00 we were on our way to the Ball
> engine site some 20 miles away. Spencer had hired a fellow with an
> excavator to assist with the job. (What a God-send that was!)
>         Steve had said at breakfast that we had better have the engine on
> his trailer and chained down by noon--"Or we will be getting wet!" By 
> 11:30
> it was on the trailer and chained down! It started to rain at 11:45. 
> (Steve
> is usually not that far off!)
>         All in all Steve, Brice and I had a great time helping Spencer
> turn toward the LIGHT! He is now the proud owner of a 25 HP Ball Oil Field
> engine and well on his way to a fuller and happier life! (Just look at the
> smile on his face in the pictures!)
>         Dave
> PS, Pictures are at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html 
> or
> you can go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on "SE
> List Members Engines" and then on
> "<http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html>Spencer
> Yost's 25 HP Ball Engine"
> PPS, The first two pictures are of Steve Sewell handing me the flywheels
> that I won on the X-mas Charity Auction--you will see them again!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Apr 18 19:18:02 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:18:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: MICA
In-Reply-To: <001e01c7821c$a9fc5510$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <001e01c7821c$a9fc5510$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070418221352.02ef1c70@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Paul,
  Is he wanting a sheet of mica like used in a stove door? If so call 
Lehman Hardware in Kidron Ohio. They stock sheets of mica. In that form its 
called Ising glass.              TTYL,  Mark


At 08:50 PM 4/18/07, you wrote:
>Can anyone help John with this?
>
>Paul
>----- Original Message -----
>From: John R Ames
>To: Paul Maples
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 PM
>Subject: MICA
>
>HELLO PAUL,  I HAVE A QUESTION, I AM LOOKING FOR A THIN FLAT PIECE
>OF MICA OR A TUBE OF MICA WITH  A SMALL ID. 1/16". IT IS TO INSULATE
>IN AN AREA WITH HIGH HEAT.  ANY IDEAS?
>JOHN
>
>
>JR
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Apr 18 19:16:00 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:16:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  Helping a Good Friend!
Message-ID: <20070419021830.D921259A17@gw1.nlenet.net>


My good friend has been a FATG for years. He has even written
books on the subject of antique tractors. He and I have known each other
for many years, and I could always tell that there was something missing in
his life. A year or so ago, my friend came to that conclusion himself.
After much soul searching he reached out for help and it was my good
fortune to be there in his time of need!


That is a REAL nice tractor you used to pull it out of the shed Looks 
like it was real useful to

Frankhttp://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/ih200-1.html

From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Apr 18 19:19:44 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:19:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: MICA
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070418221830.02ef5760@pop3.wcoil.com>

PS: He will have to put his own hole in it.

Hi Paul,
  Is he wanting a sheet of mica like used in a stove door? If so call 
Lehman Hardware in Kidron Ohio. They stock sheets of mica. In that form its 
called Ising glass.              TTYL,  Mark

At 08:50 PM 4/18/07, you wrote:
>Can anyone help John with this?
>Paul
>----- Original Message -----
>From: John R Ames
>To: Paul Maples
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 PM
>Subject: MICA
>
>HELLO PAUL,  I HAVE A QUESTION, I AM LOOKING FOR A THIN FLAT PIECE
>OF MICA OR A TUBE OF MICA WITH  A SMALL ID. 1/16". IT IS TO INSULATE
>IN AN AREA WITH HIGH HEAT.  ANY IDEAS?   JOHN JR

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From bboyce at swat.coop  Wed Apr 18 07:02:17 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:02:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ...now 33...OT
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070417211601.04987ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <005701c781c2$2c9db500$5a4cfea9@bboyce>

well said, jerry evans !!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
,,,,," Why the hell cant
> governments not realise that criminals do not obey laws anyway. Much 
> better
> if they allow a "shoot to kill" law against criminals. It would save the
> taxpayer millions in court fees - luxury accommodation (todays jails) and
> make life so much better for all us citizens who put the damn government
> there in the first place."
 bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas



From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Apr 18 20:34:31 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:34:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
In-Reply-To: <20070419021830.D921259A17@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <20070419021830.D921259A17@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418223226.04f293e8@mail.alltel.net>


>Frankhttp://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/ih200-1.html

That's a NICE looking tractor Frank. And the 21 HP is more that enough to 
get the job done!
         Dave
PS, Ya, I know it's only 20.92 HP, but I rounded up!



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 18 19:45:17 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:45:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: MICA
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070418221830.02ef5760@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <005101c7822c$c4620ac0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Mark I forwarded your message to him, thanks.

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: MICA


> PS: He will have to put his own hole in it.
>
> Hi Paul,
>  Is he wanting a sheet of mica like used in a stove door? If so call
> Lehman Hardware in Kidron Ohio. They stock sheets of mica. In that form 
> its
> called Ising glass.              TTYL,  Mark
>
> At 08:50 PM 4/18/07, you wrote:
>>Can anyone help John with this?
>>Paul
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: John R Ames
>>To: Paul Maples
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:32 PM
>>Subject: MICA
>>
>>HELLO PAUL,  I HAVE A QUESTION, I AM LOOKING FOR A THIN FLAT PIECE
>>OF MICA OR A TUBE OF MICA WITH  A SMALL ID. 1/16". IT IS TO INSULATE
>>IN AN AREA WITH HIGH HEAT.  ANY IDEAS?   JOHN JR
>
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
> Parts lists available on request.
>
> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
> Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell 
> Phone
> you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if
> possible.
> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I 
> represent
> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Apr 18 20:16:13 2007
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:16:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] UK Question
In-Reply-To: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <005e01c781c8$e09a4f40$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <4626DEFD.5080205@telenet.net>



Jim and Diane wrote:
> Can somebody please tell me an American translation for silver steel and 
> gunmetal?
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
Silver Steel - 1% Carbon Steel

Gunmetal - Original "gunmetal" was a bronze alloy (83% copper, 14% tin, 
3% zinc, and 0.8% phosphorus) AKA Red Brass
            Current "gunmetal" is a steel alloy that is heat treated to 
LOOK like original gunmetal.

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr 18 22:29:56 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:29:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <EABC19C5-A8A9-4B5C-84C1-8EFBAFE8F5C0@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 18, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> It's only a few times in a man's life that he is able to help a
> good friend turn away from the DARK SIDE and enter upon a path that  
> leads
> to a fuller life and happiness. Last Saturday (April 14, 2007) was  
> one of
> those days for me!

Thank you, Brother Dave, for sharing that magnificent set of  
photographs.  Spencer sure does look happy!   However, he looks a  
little stressed in the pictures where the Ball is on the end of a  
chain.  I noticed that in the span of the three hour recovery, Steve  
is wearing no less than three outfits.  There must be more to this  
story.

Spencer, congratulations on the acquisition of a sweet engine.  I  
can't wait to hear her bark.

Rob




From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Apr 19 05:26:32 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:26:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another one followed me home today
In-Reply-To: <395789.8778.qm@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEADFKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

This may give you some more information:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Delco/Delco.html

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Ron Frost,
> Kersey, PA
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:37 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Another one followed me home today




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 19 04:44:12 2007
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:44:12 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> RE:  Helping a Good Friend!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY129-F3159B59842F2B558F7BA88C8570@phx.gbl>

Great pictures Dave. Congradulations Spencer!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===========================

>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>
>PS, Pictures are at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html

_________________________________________________________________
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 19 05:07:31 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:07:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Another one followed me home today
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEADFKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <175150.38241.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the site Elden. Mine is somewhat like this 750 except the spark plug comes off the side of the head rather than from the top. So I expect it is a different model. Still haven't gotten it off the truck so I can really see what I got. There definately is no control panel or chimney with it. It just may be that it turns out to be a power plant, Engine without a generator. We'll see.
  Thanks again
  Ron

Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
  Ron:

This may give you some more information:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Delco/Delco.html

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron Frost,
> Kersey, PA
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:37 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Another one followed me home today


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



  Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex 
    http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
  " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
   


       
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Apr 19 05:20:15 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:20:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] mistry piston! and rod
In-Reply-To: <000701c76c5b$a87656e0$0301a8c0@Young1203>
References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203>
	<7.0.1.0.0.20070320214900.01e45868@ncable.com.au>
	<000701c76c5b$a87656e0$0301a8c0@Young1203>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070419221355.01b7a258@ncable.com.au>


>G'day all, a good mate close to home has asked if I may be able to 
>help him identify a large piston and con rod. It would most likely 
>be an Ozzie built or English built piston and rod?? this is the link 
>to the pic's Ive posted.  : 
>http://community.webshots.com/album/558729433vEFwpL  if it does'nt
work then just go to my webshots and you will see the new album.  the 
specs are as follows  the piston is 6 & 11/16th wide and 12 inches 
long, the top of the piston to the center of the gudjon is 6 inches, 
from the centre of the gudjon to the center of the crank shaft hole 
is 31 & 3/4 inches and the crank hole it's self is 2 &3/4 inches 
wide.  Any advice is welcome. and I will pass it all on to my mate.
regards Russell
> >
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Apr 19 05:25:20 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:25:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
In-Reply-To: <002601c781b1$f9419dd0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <20070419122414.VOCC27562.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

There are more pics of this engine on my Lake Goldsmith page, about a 1/4 of
the way down:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Hi All

Earlier this year there was a Gardner engine on ebay for sale in Oz, does 
anyone have any idea who was the seller, or their Ebay ID so I can contact 
them please.
It did not sell as far as I can remember.
The Gardner is a nice engine and there is a nice display at the Anson Museum

in the UK when I visited last December meeting Geoff Challinor & Dave Croft.
http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=11
I would like to track down the one in Oz.

Regards
Peter, Oz



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Apr 19 05:42:16 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:42:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <462763A8.9050702@imc-group.com>

Dave,
Thanks so much for the excellent documentation of the redemption of both 
an engine and a man.
Many of us only dream of finding a barn or shed fresh engine. I seem to 
recall your big Herc was retrieved from a shed. It would be fun to hear 
from other list members who has found what, discovered in barn fresh 
condition. Tell us your stories. The engine, the location, the stories 
(and lies :-) ) you had to tell to talk the engine away from the 
original owner. Remember what Royster had to go thru just to get a 
simple compressor? There's got to be some good engine stores too! So 
tell us your stories and let the rest of us live your adventures 
vicariously.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. Spencer, a huge congratulations on your engine and to your recovery.

Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Hi All,
>          It's only a few times in a man's life that he is able to help a 
> good friend turn away from the DARK SIDE and enter upon a path that leads 
> to a fuller life and happiness. Last Saturday (April 14, 2007) was one of 
> those days for me!
>          My good friend has been a FATG for years. He has even written 
> books on the subject of antique tractors. He and I have known each other 
> for many years, and I could always tell that there was something missing in 
> his life. A year or so ago, my friend came to that conclusion himself. 
> After much soul searching he reached out for help and it was my good 
> fortune to be there in his time of need!
>          Several times in the past year my friend has tried to turn away 
> from the DARK SIDE, but each time something went wrong and he was unable to 
> turn his life around. However, several months ago he made another attempt 
> to begin his journey away from evil--and this time he has succeeded!
>          Saturday I ventured to Waynesburg, PA to meet Spencer Yost and 
> help him take his 25 HP Ball Oil Field Engine off the oil well where it had 
> spent it's entire working life. At 7:00 AM I met Spencer and Brice Adams 
> and Steve Sewell for breakfast and by 8:00 we were on our way to the Ball 
> engine site some 20 miles away. Spencer had hired a fellow with an 
> excavator to assist with the job. (What a God-send that was!)
>          Steve had said at breakfast that we had better have the engine on 
> his trailer and chained down by noon--"Or we will be getting wet!" By 11:30 
> it was on the trailer and chained down! It started to rain at 11:45. (Steve 
> is usually not that far off!)
>          All in all Steve, Brice and I had a great time helping Spencer 
> turn toward the LIGHT! He is now the proud owner of a 25 HP Ball Oil Field 
> engine and well on his way to a fuller and happier life! (Just look at the 
> smile on his face in the pictures!)
>          Dave
> PS, Pictures are at: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html or 
> you can go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on "SE 
> List Members Engines" and then on 
> "<http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html>Spencer 
> Yost's 25 HP Ball Engine"
> PPS, The first two pictures are of Steve Sewell handing me the flywheels 
> that I won on the X-mas Charity Auction--you will see them again!
>           
>
> _______________________________________________
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From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Apr 19 06:07:41 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:07:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>

Was driving the scenic route along the shores of the Ohio river a couple 
of weekends ago and came across this nice collection of oilfield engines 
and parts. Have no idea who the owner is as there was no one around. But 
it sure made my day kicking a few flywheels, so to speak. Here are a few 
pictures:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH%20River%20Engines/Thumbnails.html>
or
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH River 
Engines/Thumbnails.html>

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Apr 19 06:15:12 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:15:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
	<4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV76051ABB57E7A727A1A4BBB570@phx.gbl>

Thanks Curt..hope it find a new home.....MINE

RickinMt.




> Was driving the scenic route along the shores of the Ohio river a couple
> of weekends ago and came across this nice collection of oilfield engines
> and parts. Have no idea who the owner is as there was no one around. But
> it sure made my day kicking a few flywheels, so to speak. Here are a few
> pictures:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH%20River%20Engines/Thumbnails.html>
> or
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH River
> Engines/Thumbnails.html> 



From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Thu Apr 19 07:42:49 2007
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:42:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
References: <006d01c781be$bb298be0$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <00b301c78291$01fac930$a9ad57ca@n>

G'day Peter
Yes that Gardner on ebay did sell, went for a bit over $4500 and it headed 
up Mildura way. Maybe Russell Gilbert might know who has got it??
    Cheers
               Mick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted


> Hi All
>
> Earlier this year there was a Gardner engine on ebay for sale in Oz, does
> anyone have any idea who was the seller, or their Ebay ID so I can contact
> them please.
> It did not sell as far as I can remember.
> The Gardner is a nice engine and there is a nice display at the Anson
> Museum
> in the UK when I visited last December meeting Geoff Challinor & Dave
> Croft.
> http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=11
> I would like to track down the one in Oz.
>
> Regards
> Peter, Oz
>
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From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Thu Apr 19 09:49:58 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:49:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
	<4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91>

Nice pictures Curt.  I bet you were in West Virginia somewhere?

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"OFES" <ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:07 AM
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......


> Was driving the scenic route along the shores of the Ohio river a couple
> of weekends ago and came across this nice collection of oilfield engines
> and parts. Have no idea who the owner is as there was no one around. But
> it sure made my day kicking a few flywheels, so to speak. Here are a few
> pictures:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH%20River%20Engines/Thumbnails.html>
> or
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH River
> Engines/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
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> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Apr 19 12:13:56 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:13:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
In-Reply-To: <002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>	<4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>
	<002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <4627BF74.4000008@imc-group.com>

Within swimming distance......was on the Ohio side of the river.
Curt

Glenn Karch wrote:
> Nice pictures Curt.  I bet you were in West Virginia somewhere?
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
>
>   
>> Was driving the scenic route along the shores of the Ohio river a couple
>> of weekends ago and came across this nice collection of oilfield engines
>> and parts. Have no idea who the owner is as there was no one around. But
>> it sure made my day kicking a few flywheels, so to speak. Here are a few
>> pictures:
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH%20River%20Engines/Thumbnails.html>
>> or
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/OH River
>> Engines/Thumbnails.html>
>>
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>> _______________________________________________
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Apr 19 13:38:36 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:38:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
In-Reply-To: <4627BF74.4000008@imc-group.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
	<4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>
	<002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91>
	<4627BF74.4000008@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419153743.04f5d948@mail.alltel.net>

That's the place from where Tillie came!
         Dave

At 02:13 PM 4/19/2007, you wrote:
>Within swimming distance......was on the Ohio side of the river.
>Curt
>
>Glenn Karch wrote:
> > Nice pictures Curt.  I bet you were in West Virginia somewhere?
> >
> > Glenn Karch



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Thu Apr 19 13:28:39 2007
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:28:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419153743.04f5d948@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
	<4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>
	<002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91>
	<4627BF74.4000008@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070419153743.04f5d948@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200704191632613.SM04256@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com>

That is Fred Anderson's Place.  It is also where Kerry's Reid came from.
Keith



Keith Kinney
Evansville, Indiana  USA
www.HerculesEngines.com 



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Apr 19 13:46:25 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:46:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070419153743.04f5d948@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>	<4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com>	<002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91>	<4627BF74.4000008@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070419153743.04f5d948@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4627D521.90108@imc-group.com>

It appears this place is the magnetic center of eastern Ahia! No wonder 
we were drawn to it!
Curt

Dave Rotigel wrote:
> That's the place from where Tillie came!
>          Dave
>
> At 02:13 PM 4/19/2007, you wrote:
>   
>> Within swimming distance......was on the Ohio side of the river.
>> Curt
>>
>> Glenn Karch wrote:
>>     
>>> Nice pictures Curt.  I bet you were in West Virginia somewhere?
>>>
>>> Glenn Karch
>>>       
>
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Apr 19 14:13:43 2007
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:13:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Thinking of oilfield engines......
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net><4627699D.9040400@imc-group.com><002501c782a2$c4f06470$90f3123f@D8LJ7K91><4627BF74.4000008@imc-group.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070419153743.04f5d948@mail.alltel.net>
	<200704191632613.SM04256@keithsnotebook.herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <00cc01c782c7$9edd3b30$0200a8c0@fbi>

Where all the best engines come from!

Dolly

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>


> That is Fred Anderson's Place.  It is also where Kerry's Reid came from.
> Keith
> 



From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Apr 19 15:02:41 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:02:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
In-Reply-To: <00b301c78291$01fac930$a9ad57ca@n>
References: <006d01c781be$bb298be0$0601a8c0@altech>
	<00b301c78291$01fac930$a9ad57ca@n>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070420075959.01b7e018@ncable.com.au>

you have me interested now Mick!!! who, where . 
what  ................ I think I remember seeing it on ebay but have 
know idea at all where it went to.  There are a few collectors in our 
district who keep a very low profile. It could be sleeping locally 
and we will never know. If I find anything out i will let you know
Russell

At 12:42 AM 20/04/2007, you wrote:
>G'day Peter
>Yes that Gardner on ebay did sell, went for a bit over $4500 and it headed
>up Mildura way. Maybe Russell Gilbert might know who has got it??
>     Cheers
>                Mick
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:37 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Garnder engine on Ebay info wanted
>
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > Earlier this year there was a Gardner engine on ebay for sale in Oz, does
> > anyone have any idea who was the seller, or their Ebay ID so I can contact
> > them please.
> > It did not sell as far as I can remember.
> > The Gardner is a nice engine and there is a nice display at the Anson
> > Museum
> > in the UK when I visited last December meeting Geoff Challinor & Dave
> > Croft.
> > http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=11
> > I would like to track down the one in Oz.
> >
> > Regards
> > Peter, Oz
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Apr 19 19:39:56 2007
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:39:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
Message-ID: <20070420024106.D00DA58E90@gw1.nlenet.net>

Just caught a History Channel Mega movers on the saving and moving of 
a 1923 Bucyrus B50  Steem shovel.  Good show. I hope they repeat it.
Here is a little info from the web.
http://www.themountainear.com/story19.shtml
http://dmtop.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html
http://www.themountainear.com/story6.shtml

Does anyone have any more info on it?  How does it compare to the 
Bucyus-Erie 50-B steam shovel at Rollag?  They look like the same machine.

Frank

  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Apr 20 03:20:25 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:20:25 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT..refering back to the Virginia Tech tragedy
Message-ID: <002701c78335$87f675d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Unfortunately my mail was corrupted and I did not get any feed back from the 
17 th to the 20th .I was also away from my computer and when i was able to 
receive mail there were 347 and a lot of these were lost .However I must 
have pressed the sensitive buttons  as gauged by  some emails I have been 
able to D/L.
The SEL is there for us to express our own feelings .If it has upset some of 
you so be it . I am certainly not going to fall into line just because my 
opinion is contrary to yours.I tried not to get personal in my comments but 
that sure as hell did not stop some of you becoming quite abusive . As I 
said we can say what we like so go for it .
My sympathy goes out to the parents, friends and all of you who have been 
touched by this tragedy.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Apr 20 05:28:14 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:28:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
In-Reply-To: <20070420024106.D00DA58E90@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBKFKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Frank:

I saw it, too.  After catching mistakes on The History Channel, TLC and others, I would not be surprised if it turned out that there were more than one of those Bucyrus shovels left.

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Frank
> DeWitt
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 09:40 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
> 
> 
> Just caught a History Channel Mega movers on the 
> saving and moving of 
> a 1923 Bucyrus B50  Steem shovel.  Good show. I 
> hope they repeat it.
> Here is a little info from the web.
> http://www.themountainear.com/story19.shtml
> http://dmtop.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html
> http://www.themountainear.com/story6.shtml
> 
> Does anyone have any more info on it?  How does 
> it compare to the 
> Bucyus-Erie 50-B steam shovel at Rollag?  They 
> look like the same machine.
> 
> Frank




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Apr 20 08:25:44 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:25:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
Message-ID: <20070420.112607.1172.8.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Frank,

Thanks for the info on the History Channel.

If you are interested, look up Silver Spade on Google.

Here's one of the sites that will take you to it.

http://www.stripmine.org/spade.htm

It was stored at Cadiz, Ohio, real close to the Stumptown Steam Threshers
Show.
Unfortunatly, we/they couldn't raise enough money to have it saved and it

has been dismantled.


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Fri Apr 20 08:46:59 2007
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:46:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
References: <20070420024106.D00DA58E90@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <001501c78363$252a2b30$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Thx. Frank for the post. It was thoroughly enjoyed.   George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:39 PM
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch


> Just caught a History Channel Mega movers on the saving and moving of
> a 1923 Bucyrus B50  Steem shovel.  Good show. I hope they repeat it.
> Here is a little info from the web.
> http://www.themountainear.com/story19.shtml
> http://dmtop.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html
> http://www.themountainear.com/story6.shtml
>
> Does anyone have any more info on it?  How does it compare to the
> Bucyus-Erie 50-B steam shovel at Rollag?  They look like the same machine.
>
> Frank
>
>  Frank DeWitt
>
>  Light plant WEB page
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
>  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
>  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
>  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
>  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com


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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 10:21:11 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:21:11 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT..refering back to the Virginia Tech tragedy
In-Reply-To: <002701c78335$87f675d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <002701c78335$87f675d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6f6025160704201021qf3bd95bkd890281d82dc93e6@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/04/07, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> The SEL is there for us to express our own feelings
> Peter Ogborne

Probably better not to have got into this tragedy on an engine list in
the first place, it is not the best of things to come up on the screen
when you are trying to get away from the rest of the world in your
leisure time...

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Apr 20 16:27:01 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:27:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT..refering back to the Virginia Tech tragedy
In-Reply-To: <002701c78335$87f675d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <002701c78335$87f675d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070420180806.0516bec0@mail.alltel.net>


>The SEL is there for us to express our own feelings .If it has upset some of
>you so be it . I am certainly not going to fall into line just because my
>opinion is contrary to yours.I tried not to get personal in my comments but
>that sure as hell did not stop some of you becoming quite abusive . As I
>said we can say what we like so go for it .
>Peter Ogborne

Hi Peter,
         Well, you asked for it so I guess I'll express my thoughts (NOT my 
"feelings" because that's what Lilly Livered Commie Pinko Fascists do!)
         First let me say that I carry 24/7 and will blow away any purt 
that threatens me or any member of my family or my friends.
         Second let me say that I could care less what the hell you and /or 
your kind thing about our gun laws here in the USA! I'll not comment on the 
stupid ass gun laws you have in OZ and I'll thank you not to comment on the 
laws here in the USA!
         Third, please note that it was you who started all this with your 
stupid ass ignorant comments about gun laws in the USA. (Please note also 
that I have not called you a stupid ass [even though others may have that 
opinion] but only your ignorant comments! I would not want to get 
"personal" on all this!)
         Forth, Please have a good day--and I wish you well when some perp 
attacks you, or a member of your family!
                 Dave
PS, I think you have already fallen "into line!" 



From flywheel at netconnect.com.au  Fri Apr 20 19:46:01 2007
From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:46:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
In-Reply-To: <20070420.112607.1172.8.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20070420.112607.1172.8.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20070421024553.94F0DE31C5@mail05.chariot.net.au>

Although of a different order of magnitude, another surviving steam 
shovel that is regularly operated for the public twice a year resides 
at Lake Goldsmith Steam Park in country Victoria, Australia.

It is Australia's largest, (90 tons) fully operational steam shovel 
and the remaining one of a pair imported from England in the 1920s 
(?) by Portland Cement to work at their Geelong quarries.

See http://www.lakegoldsmithsteamrally.org.au/

It is a great crowd pleaser.

Regards,

Mark



Mark Kennedy
Ballarat, Victoria, Australia

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Apr 20 22:26:38 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:26:38 +0800
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Spam/Phish=3E_A_message_to_D_Rotog?=
	=?windows-1252?q?el_from_P_Ogborne=2E=2E=2EOT?=
Message-ID: <001f01c783d5$a86c96f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

I have considered your response .Normally I would not bother with such nor 
would I do it on list but you have chosen to berate me and I find your 
comments rather offensive.

.Over the years since being on this
list I have formed a pen picture of you in my mind. Not pretty,someone who 
delights
in ridiculing others,being it about their politics,their religion and
generally anything that enables you to get in a smart comment at their
expense.It is quite obvious that anything that I might say touches a raw
nerve with you.Your reference to feelings as against thoughts and the 
connection to the Communist Party is most unusual and possibly would have 
been most useful in the Mc McCarthy era!
So, my advise to you is to go and sit in your old rocking chair,ignore what 
I
say and life may seem somewhat more pleasant.If you with to continue this 
lets do it off list but then you wont have an audience.Personally I don't 
feel inclined to continue this discussion.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia

jopeter at omninet.net.au



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Apr 20 22:27:22 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:27:22 +0800
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Spam/Phish=3E_A_message_to_D_Rotog?=
	=?windows-1252?q?el_from_P_Ogborne=2E=2E=2EOT?=
Message-ID: <002201c783d5$c2319310$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

I have considered your response .Normally I would not bother with such nor
would I do it on list but you have chosen to berate me and I find your
comments rather offensive.

.Over the years since being on this
list I have formed a pen picture of you in my mind. Not pretty,someone who
delights
in ridiculing others,being it about their politics,their religion and
generally anything that enables you to get in a smart comment at their
expense.It is quite obvious that anything that I might say touches a raw
nerve with you.Your reference to feelings as against thoughts and the
connection to the Communist Party is most unusual and possibly would have
been most useful in the  McCarthy era!
So, my advise to you is to go and sit in your old rocking chair,ignore what
I
say and life may seem somewhat more pleasant.If you with to continue this
lets do it off list but then you wont have an audience.Personally I don't
feel inclined to continue this discussion.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia

jopeter at omninet.net.au



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Apr 20 22:27:33 2007
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:27:33 +0800
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Spam/Phish=3E_A_message_to_D_Rotog?=
	=?windows-1252?q?el_from_P_Ogborne=2E=2E=2EOT?=
Message-ID: <002301c783d5$c7749ed0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

I have considered your response .Normally I would not bother with such nor
would I do it on list but you have chosen to berate me and I find your
comments rather offensive.

.Over the years since being on this
list I have formed a pen picture of you in my mind. Not pretty,someone who
delights
in ridiculing others,being it about their politics,their religion and
generally anything that enables you to get in a smart comment at their
expense.It is quite obvious that anything that I might say touches a raw
nerve with you.Your reference to feelings as against thoughts and the
connection to the Communist Party is most unusual and possibly would have
been most useful in the  McCarthy era!
So, my advise to you is to go and sit in your old rocking chair,ignore what
I
say and life may seem somewhat more pleasant.If you with to continue this
lets do it off list but then you wont have an audience.Personally I don't
feel inclined to continue this discussion.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia

jopeter at omninet.net.au



From plb at iinet.net.au  Fri Apr 20 23:00:17 2007
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Erica Freeman)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:00:17 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> A message to D Rotogel from P
	Ogborne...OT
In-Reply-To: <002301c783d5$c7749ed0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <002301c783d5$c7749ed0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <01db01c783da$5651a950$02f4fbf0$@net.au>

I enjoyed your response Peter but once is enough!! :D
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2007 1:28 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> A message to D Rotogel from P Ogborne...OT

I have considered your response .Normally I would not bother with such nor
would I do it on list but you have chosen to berate me and I find your
comments rather offensive.

.Over the years since being on this
list I have formed a pen picture of you in my mind. Not pretty,someone who
delights
in ridiculing others,being it about their politics,their religion and
generally anything that enables you to get in a smart comment at their
expense.It is quite obvious that anything that I might say touches a raw
nerve with you.Your reference to feelings as against thoughts and the
connection to the Communist Party is most unusual and possibly would have
been most useful in the  McCarthy era!
So, my advise to you is to go and sit in your old rocking chair,ignore what
I
say and life may seem somewhat more pleasant.If you with to continue this
lets do it off list but then you wont have an audience.Personally I don't
feel inclined to continue this discussion.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia

jopeter at omninet.net.au

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Apr 21 04:05:22 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:05:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Caldwell Molong Auction
Message-ID: <003e01c78404$f4ccda30$0601a8c0@altech>



Anyone in Oz interested in this auction.



Peter, Oz





CALDWELL MOLONG

ANTIQUE & COLLECTABLES AUCTION

MITCHELL HWY, MOLONG NSW

A/C Caldwell Molong & other Vendors

5TH MAY, 2007

10AM START

 

 

Approximately 100 plus lots of Crockery & Glassware; Carlton Ware, Wembley, Lord Nelson, Australian Pottery, Crown Ducal Florentine 70 pcs.

 

Approximately 100 plus lots of Furniture: Cedar, Pine, Oak.  Chairs, Tables, Wardrobes, Chests, Drawers, Desks, Mirrors, Dressers, Meat Safes, Pianola, Organs, Pictures & Frames, Beds, Hutch's, Red Phone Box.

 

Bakelite, Coca-Cola, Shaving Mugs, Stoneware, Kerosine Lamps, Wheel Barrows, Records, Blacksmiths (Anvil, Tyre Shrinker, Vices & Tools), Railway Crossing Signs & Memorabilia, Tricycles, Ladders, Steel Wheels, Bottles, Mowers, Oil Bottles, Traps, Setters, Shearing Gear, Boot Lasps, Chaff Cutters, Wheat Grinder, Magneto, Flat Irons, Water Pumps, Wood Planes, Milk Cans, Oil Bottles & Tins, Signs, Radio's, Clocks, Mincers, Cast Iron Ware, Horse Drawn Ploughs & Machinery

 

Stationary Engines- , Buzzacott pumper, McDonald Diesels, iHC, BSA, Wisconsin V4, Moffatt Virtue, Villiers, Cooper, Buzzacott Drag Saw, Hagan Saw/Bench, Petrol Jackhammer.

 

Tractors- Fowler Crawler, iHC W30, LandRover.

 

Many more items, too numerous to mention.  For full listing see www.mccarrons.com.au    on the 25th April, 2007

 

 

Approximately 600 Lots.

 

All equipment is unrestored.



From christison at coastalnet.com  Sat Apr 21 05:28:30 2007
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:28:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FW: Dazzle Patch
Message-ID: <380-220074621122830453@coastalnet.com>

Can anybody help Tilman?

Thanks,

Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tilman Hanson 
To: christison at coastalnet.com
Sent: 4/21/2007 8:14:04 AM 
Subject: Dazzle Patch


Hi I'am looking for information on A Dazzle Patch engine hitnmiss water hopper cooled, it about a 11/2 or 2 Hp. I need some picture of how the point system work on the EXhust Push rod and the EXhust  cam I got the competlet engine except the the point system.can you help me.... Thank  You, Tilman


Regards, Tilman Hanson


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 21 07:41:52 2007
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:41:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT..refering back to the Virginia Tech tragedy
In-Reply-To: <002701c78335$87f675d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <705667.59690.qm@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> The SEL is there for us to express our own feelings .If it has upset
> some of 
> you so be it . I am certainly not going to fall into line just because
> my 
> opinion is contrary to yours.

Hello Peter,
You got it wrong, right off the bat. The SEL exists for the discussion of
engines and engine related things. The Slick Willy list is for things such
as politics, guns, etc. People who want engine related information
subscribe to the SEL, folks who like politics subscribe to the Slick list.
A lot of folks like both and are subscribed to both lists.
Having followed the SEL for a long time, I can tell you that the existance
and need for the Slick list has been mentioned here many times. Ken
Christensen has went a step further and created a list just for off topic
stuff.
THe sad part in all of this is that over the past several years I have
noticed a decline in the quantity and quality of engine related
discussions. A lot of knowledgeable folks have either left the list, or
went into lurk mode. So often now it seems that those who do the most
talking are the least worth listening to.
Having feelings that you wish to express to the world does not give you
the right to do so wherever and whenever you please. Unless your feelings
are engine related, you have no right or reason to thrust them upon the
rest of us, who come here to avoid such things from the real world. 
Continuing to post political crap to the SEL confirms my theory that you
are an arrogant, argumentative ass-bag who won't let facts get in the way
of his argument.
As you have said "If that has upset some of you, so be it."
Sorry if I ticked you off, but I am thousands of miles away from you,
almost certainly bigger than you and I HAVE A GUN!
Joe



Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 02:35:45 2007
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:35:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland
Message-ID: <6f6025160704230235p69919709p6f87af0843e0eddd@mail.gmail.com>

Who is going to Portland in August this year?

We will have to sort something out for the Charity Auction on the
Thursday evening, assuming that it is still going ahead (Dave?)

Flights and motels were booked back in February, and most of our trip
itinerary has been settled, with just a few odds and ends to resolve.

We are hoping to visit the Henry Ford Museum in Detroit, have a look
at the big Nordberg diesel generating plant in Bryan, OH., and also
pay another visit to the Auburn-Cord museum in Auburn, just north of
Ft Wayne.

Rita and her Sister will be looking at a few sites that are in their
interest areas, and we are hoping for a good weather forecast for the
week. So far, we have had only good weather at Portland....

We have managed a couple of extra days this year, and as the month end
is slightly further away from our departure date we haven't the rush
back home to get the factory invoicing done this year!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Apr 23 04:31:52 2007
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:31:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 37, Issue 19
References: <mailman.3.1177171202.24623.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c7859a$fd5e4520$0500a8c0@user783e64edcc>

To one and all .....

It was good while it lasted .....

David Rotigel......

I  sure hope you're gettin' a warm, fuzzy feeling whilst strokin' your 
"Piece" ..... !

Goodbye ....


Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)
Runnin' with the wind ...

> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:27:01 -0500
> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT..refering back to the Virginia Tech tragedy
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070420180806.0516bec0 at mail.alltel.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>
>>The SEL is there for us to express our own feelings .If it has upset some 
>>of
>>you so be it . I am certainly not going to fall into line just because my
>>opinion is contrary to yours.I tried not to get personal in my comments 
>>but
>>that sure as hell did not stop some of you becoming quite abusive . As I
>>said we can say what we like so go for it .
>>Peter Ogborne
>
> Hi Peter,
>         Well, you asked for it so I guess I'll express my thoughts (NOT my
> "feelings" because that's what Lilly Livered Commie Pinko Fascists do!)
>         First let me say that I carry 24/7 and will blow away any purt
> that threatens me or any member of my family or my friends.
>         Second let me say that I could care less what the hell you and /or
> your kind thing about our gun laws here in the USA! I'll not comment on 
> the
> stupid ass gun laws you have in OZ and I'll thank you not to comment on 
> the
> laws here in the USA!
>         Third, please note that it was you who started all this with your
> stupid ass ignorant comments about gun laws in the USA. (Please note also
> that I have not called you a stupid ass [even though others may have that
> opinion] but only your ignorant comments! I would not want to get
> "personal" on all this!)
>         Forth, Please have a good day--and I wish you well when some perp
> attacks you, or a member of your family!
>                 Dave
> PS, I think you have already fallen "into line!"


From craigb2 at aol.com  Mon Apr 23 07:41:48 2007
From: craigb2 at aol.com (Craig Buzzell)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:41:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 1920 Economy E 1.5 hp
Message-ID: <0238D2B5-4BDD-45A8-A5E1-856DFEA6668C@aol.com>

Hello list; I just acquired a Hercules Economy 1.5 hp serial # 238958  
at the Tulare California show this last weekend. According to my Glen  
Karch book on Hercules, it would be dated 1921. It  has the Webster  
mag ignitor set up and the oiler is located behind the hopper. The  
remaining paint is scarce but seemed like dark red. Would it have had  
the Economy bow tie decal? I have not worked with low tension  
ignition systems so would appreciate any tips and info on this engine.
Thanks much
Craig Buzzell
Br 27 EDGE&TA
Goleta CA
805-968-3184



From glenn.karch at verizon.net  Mon Apr 23 13:03:10 2007
From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:03:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 1920 Economy E 1.5 hp
References: <0238D2B5-4BDD-45A8-A5E1-856DFEA6668C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004801c785e2$6c9844d0$48bf123f@D8LJ7K91>

Hi Craig,

That paint color would have been dark red such as the IHC tractor red.  It 
would have used the slanting script Economy decals.  Go to 
herculesengines.com and then to Hercules and Economy engines and work your 
way towards the instructions on the Webster mag system.

Glenn Karch
Hercules Historian
Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Buzzell" <craigb2 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: [SEL] 1920 Economy E 1.5 hp


> Hello list; I just acquired a Hercules Economy 1.5 hp serial # 238958
> at the Tulare California show this last weekend. According to my Glen
> Karch book on Hercules, it would be dated 1921. It  has the Webster
> mag ignitor set up and the oiler is located behind the hopper. The
> remaining paint is scarce but seemed like dark red. Would it have had
> the Economy bow tie decal? I have not worked with low tension
> ignition systems so would appreciate any tips and info on this engine.
> Thanks much
> Craig Buzzell
> Br 27 EDGE&TA
> Goleta CA
> 805-968-3184
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From craigb2 at aol.com  Mon Apr 23 14:56:32 2007
From: craigb2 at aol.com (Craig Buzzell)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:56:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 1920 Economy E 1.5 hp
In-Reply-To: <004801c785e2$6c9844d0$48bf123f@D8LJ7K91>
References: <0238D2B5-4BDD-45A8-A5E1-856DFEA6668C@aol.com>
	<004801c785e2$6c9844d0$48bf123f@D8LJ7K91>
Message-ID: <647F197F-69BE-474F-8ACD-2684AA7868D4@aol.com>

Glenn: thanks for the website. I got lots of good info.

Craig Buzzell
On Apr 23, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Glenn Karch wrote:

> Hi Craig,
>
> That paint color would have been dark red such as the IHC tractor  
> red.  It
> would have used the slanting script Economy decals.  Go to
> herculesengines.com and then to Hercules and Economy engines and  
> work your
> way towards the instructions on the Webster mag system.
>
> Glenn Karch
> Hercules Historian
> Haubstadt, Indiana, USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Buzzell" <craigb2 at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:41 AM
> Subject: [SEL] 1920 Economy E 1.5 hp
>
>
>
>> Hello list; I just acquired a Hercules Economy 1.5 hp serial # 238958
>> at the Tulare California show this last weekend. According to my Glen
>> Karch book on Hercules, it would be dated 1921. It  has the Webster
>> mag ignitor set up and the oiler is located behind the hopper. The
>> remaining paint is scarce but seemed like dark red. Would it have had
>> the Economy bow tie decal? I have not worked with low tension
>> ignition systems so would appreciate any tips and info on this  
>> engine.
>> Thanks much
>> Craig Buzzell
>> Br 27 EDGE&TA
>> Goleta CA
>> 805-968-3184
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Apr 23 17:17:08 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:17:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville
Message-ID: <d6b.4a80c91.335ea684@aol.com>

Anyone headed to the Reidsville, NC show this coming weekend?  


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Mon Apr 23 17:51:43 2007
From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:51:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070423204007.00cd6ba8@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>


>
>         Saturday I ventured to Waynesburg, PA to meet Spencer Yost and 
> help him take his 25 HP Ball Oil Field Engine off the oil well where it 
> had spent it's entire working life. At 7:00 AM I met Spencer and Brice 
> Adams and Steve Sewell for breakfast and by 8:00 we were on our way to 
> the Ball engine site some 20 miles away. Spencer had hired a fellow with 
> an excavator to assist with the job. (What a God-send that was!)
> 
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html 
>or you can go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on 
>"SE List Members Engines" and then on "



Follow up. The Ball engine made the trip to North Carolina this weekend and 
is on the ground by Spencer's shop. We all made a guess on the weight of 
the engine when it was loaded. So I crossed the scale before I left and 
today. Friday I scaled at 20,320lbs , truck - trailer and engine. Today it 
scaled 14,020lbs. So next time someone asks how much a Ball engine weighs 
the correct answer is 6300lbs.

- Steve

PS there was a bet on this but I will not say who won or lost.
PPS Dave we'll collect at Portland. (-;


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Apr 23 19:06:23 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:06:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville
References: <d6b.4a80c91.335ea684@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00b201c78615$29b918a0$20d34c0c@D48VHZ61>

I'm going to try to make Sat. just to look around. Can't stay long as the 
kid has his first baseball game that afternoon.
What are you taking this year?

John Hall


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:17 PM
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville


> Anyone headed to the Reidsville, NC show this coming weekend?
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
> 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Apr 23 18:41:23 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:41:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Helping a Good Friend!
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20070423204007.00cd6ba8@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070418195840.04e70a10@mail.alltel.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070423204007.00cd6ba8@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070423203534.04c83e60@mail.alltel.net>


>Follow up. The Ball engine made the trip to North Carolina this weekend 
>and is on the ground by Spencer's shop. We all made a guess on the weight 
>of the engine when it was loaded. So I crossed the scale before I left and 
>today. Friday I scaled at 20,320lbs , truck - trailer and engine. Today it 
>scaled 14,020lbs. So next time someone asks how much a Ball engine weighs 
>the correct answer is 6300lbs.
>- Steve
>PS there was a bet on this but I will not say who won or lost.
>PPS Dave we'll collect at Portland. (-;

Hi Steve, That's about ONE TON more than my estimate! I LOST BIG 
TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave
PS, Spencer your gasket material went out today!
PPS, Spencer, you will need a 10,000 GVW trailer for the Ball. DO NOT 
register it for over 10,000 GVW. If you do A LOT of federal regulations 
kick in!




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Apr 24 03:56:07 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:56:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville
References: <d6b.4a80c91.335ea684@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00af01c7865f$29b56f80$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Mike and Steve Royster, Bill and Jane Bird!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:17 PM
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville


> Anyone headed to the Reidsville, NC show this coming weekend?
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.
>
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From oldengineman at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 24 07:07:21 2007
From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:07:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville
Message-ID: <BAY127-F2375AE259564820EB1B8C9C44A0@phx.gbl>

Pete Stauffer and Bill Hash (maybe) will be heading down from out of the 
mountains of southern West Virginia.  We expect to get in sometime Thursday 
afternoon.

Pete Stauffer


>From: Germoamer at aol.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Reidsville
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:17:08 EDT
>
>Anyone headed to the Reidsville, NC show this coming weekend?
>
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va.
>Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
>
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>http://www.aol.com.
>
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From anmlcrkr at insightbb.com  Tue Apr 24 11:51:42 2007
From: anmlcrkr at insightbb.com (L B)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:51:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Australia
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1177430402.8010.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBKEJMGLOFJNBOAOEKCELBDMAA.anmlcrkr@insightbb.com>

What memebers live in Australia?  Email me offlist please.

Larry Brandon
Sterling, IL 61081
anmlcrkr at insightbb.com
 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Apr 24 14:17:46 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:17:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Reidsville
Message-ID: <bed.dd0c9ff.335fcdfa@aol.com>

John and others. 
 
Good to see a nice turn out for the Reidsville show.  I will be there around 
8 Saturday morning.  Will have my 6 hp screen Famous on trailer, red Chev 
extended cab truck, and hope to park down in the bottom near where the Roysters 
set up.  
 
Yes, I now have my 6 Famous running again after a few years rest.  Craig 
Prucha had done a great job with the boring/piston/new rings.  I met him at 
Coolsprings a couple of weeks ago to pick up my parts. Millie and I drove up that 
Friday afternoon and spent the night with the Groundhog, and met Craig saturday 
morning.  I need to post some pictures of how I first got it started using the 
7 Economy belted to the Famous.  Kind of like using a Chevy to jump a 
Cadillac!
 
Looking forward to seeing everyone!
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Tue Apr 24 17:03:54 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:03:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Australia
In-Reply-To: <NHBBKEJMGLOFJNBOAOEKCELBDMAA.anmlcrkr@insightbb.com>
References: <NHBBKEJMGLOFJNBOAOEKCELBDMAA.anmlcrkr@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <462E9AEA.5060609@steamengine.com.au>

Generally speaking... those with an ".au" at the end of their email 
address (except those weirdos using companies that like to think they're 
global :).

Paul

L B wrote:
> What memebers live in Australia?  Email me offlist please.
>
> Larry Brandon
> Sterling, IL 61081
> anmlcrkr at insightbb.com
>  
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Apr 24 20:54:49 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:54:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally
Message-ID: <20070425035455.CZHY10916.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I had another excellent weekend with the engines last weekend. This time the
rally was in my home town of Cootamundra. There was an impressive line up of
engines, tractors, steam & other displays. Pics at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota071.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Tue Apr 24 21:38:35 2007
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:38:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally
References: <20070425035455.CZHY10916.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <005a01c786f3$97a90580$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6>

Hi Patrick, you had a great roll up, very interesting and you done a great 
job of the photography as usual. Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally


>I had another excellent weekend with the engines last weekend. This time 
>the
> rally was in my home town of Cootamundra. There was an impressive line up 
> of
> engines, tractors, steam & other displays. Pics at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota071.html
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Apr 24 21:46:26 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:46:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally
Message-ID: <20070424.214626.1408.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Nice pictures as usual Patrick.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:54:49 +1000 "Patrick M Livingstone"
<pml1 at bigpond.net.au> writes:
> I had another excellent weekend with the engines last weekend. This 
> time the
> rally was in my home town of Cootamundra. There was an impressive 
> line up of
> engines, tractors, steam & other displays. Pics at:
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota071.html
> 
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Apr 24 23:24:51 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:24:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally
References: <20070425035455.CZHY10916.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <001b01c78702$6eea9460$8f741fd3@Edd>

Great as usual mate.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally


>I had another excellent weekend with the engines last weekend. This time 
>the
> rally was in my home town of Cootamundra. There was an impressive line up 
> of
> engines, tractors, steam & other displays. Pics at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota071.html
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Wed Apr 25 00:12:57 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:12:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
Message-ID: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>

I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of 
engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and 
becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or 
so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any 
shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The 
engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of 
person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines 
- a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is 
these two email lists.

My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines.

Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get 
rid of most of them?

ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers :)

Paul


From lyle45859 at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr 25 00:31:05 2007
From: lyle45859 at roadrunner.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 03:31:05 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
References: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <462F03B8.000001.03316@CATS-D22786ABFC>

Paul
Right now your boys are young and have other interest in their life's. Maybe
they will never have an interest but who knows if the engines survive maybe
their children may have an interest. Maybe being involved with the Boy
Scouts you could take one engine and make a pack project out of it and maybe
some of the scouts may have interest in them. If nothing else try to find
the best way to find time to at least to protect the engines from being
ruined any farther, if it is no more than filling them with oil so they do
not rust inside. I would try to find some way to keep the engines as one
never knows who may show some interest in them and you could share your
knowledge and time helping someone new to the engine world.
Lyle Myles
NW Ohio
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Paul Pavlinovich 
Date: 04/25/07 03:16:48 
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list 
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not? 
 
I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of 
Engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and 
Becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or 
So. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any 
Shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The 
Engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of 
Person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines 
- a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is 
These two email lists. 
 
My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines. 
 
Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get 
Rid of most of them? 
 
PS. Don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers :) 
 
Paul 
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr 25 03:56:51 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:56:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
Message-ID: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi all

For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I 
have a few questions:

1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft or 
down tube shaft.

2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging 
vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.

 See photos attached at:
http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm

3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the cutters.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Apr 25 05:23:01 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:23:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEINFKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

If you're sure you no longer have an interest in them and that your interest won't return, you could sell most of them and keep two, one for each boy.

Or you could hoard them.  After all, they ARE yours and you can do anything you want with them.  The shame would be if, after you go to that great junkyard in the sky, they are scrapped.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul
> Pavlinovich
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 02:13 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL 
> email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my 
> engines or not?
> 
> 
> I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've 
> collected a number of 
> engines. Since returning to involvement with my 
> local steam railway and 
> becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in 
> the last three years or 
> so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not 
> had time to go to any 
> shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a 
> show this year). The 
> engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've 
> become the kind of 
> person I was disappointed to meet when I was 
> trying to acquire machines 
> - a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. 
> The nearest I get is 
> these two email lists.
> 
> My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any 
> interest in the engines.
> 
> Should I keep them and give them to the boys when 
> they're older or get 
> rid of most of them?
> 
> ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring 
> any self-interest answers :)
> 
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Apr 25 04:32:18 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:32:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <462F03B8.000001.03316@CATS-D22786ABFC>
References: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
	<462F03B8.000001.03316@CATS-D22786ABFC>
Message-ID: <2260.165.206.180.53.1177500738.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I'm with Lyle,

Your interests could again change, their interests could change, etc.
When they are gone, they are gone and the work you did to acquire them,
and the work you did to get them running and protected would be gone,
you'd have to start over.
If nothing else, they are an investment for when you REALLY need to get
rid of them and get some cash.

For now, I'd not rush into anything, I'd keep them if you can and have the
means.

Like I tell my wife - when I'm gone, she can do whatever and will have a
little spending/fun money..............

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4 coming soon
http://theamcpages.com

> Paul
> Right now your boys are young and have other interest in their life's.
> Maybe
> they will never have an interest but who knows if the engines survive
> maybe
> their children may have an interest. Maybe being involved with the Boy
> Scouts you could take one engine and make a pack project out of it and
> maybe
> some of the scouts may have interest in them. If nothing else try to find
> the best way to find time to at least to protect the engines from being
> ruined any farther, if it is no more than filling them with oil so they do
> not rust inside. I would try to find some way to keep the engines as one
> never knows who may show some interest in them and you could share your
> knowledge and time helping someone new to the engine world.
> Lyle Myles
> NW Ohio
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Paul Pavlinovich
> Date: 04/25/07 03:16:48
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
>
> I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of
> Engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and
> Becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or
> So. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any
> Shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The
> Engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of
> Person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines
> - a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is
> These two email lists.
>
> My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines.
>
> Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get
> Rid of most of them?
>
> PS. Don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers
> :)
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Apr 25 04:36:09 2007
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:36:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEINFKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEINFKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <2268.165.206.180.53.1177500969.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Side thought - and this is done with a couple fellows who have dozens if
not hundreds of engines (George Archer had over 220 engines in several
basements for a time)
These fellows are/were old and couldn't handle taking engines around - so
they had friends show their engines for them.
Sort of loaned them. Their friends cared for them, etc. as if they were
their own and it seemed to work fine.
George could only haul a couple at a time anyway and as he got older and
he got more into the BIG stationary iron, he had less time for the more
portable iron. A couple close friends of his help him show things from
time to time. Amazing how many folks would jump to show a Flour City
engine.
You might think of finding some young person who DOES have an interest and
get them going, and let them show your engines once in a while.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa
Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History
http://antique-engines.com
1970 Javelin
1982 Eagle SX/4 coming soon
http://theamcpages.com

> Paul:
>
> If you're sure you no longer have an interest in them and that your
> interest won't return, you could sell most of them and keep two, one for
> each boy.
>
> Or you could hoard them.  After all, they ARE yours and you can do
> anything you want with them.  The shame would be if, after you go to that
> great junkyard in the sky, they are scrapped.
>
> Take care - Elden
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Paul
>> Pavlinovich
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 02:13 AM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL
>> email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my
>> engines or not?
>>
>>
>> I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've
>> collected a number of
>> engines. Since returning to involvement with my
>> local steam railway and
>> becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in
>> the last three years or
>> so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not
>> had time to go to any
>> shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a
>> show this year). The
>> engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've
>> become the kind of
>> person I was disappointed to meet when I was
>> trying to acquire machines
>> - a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery.
>> The nearest I get is
>> these two email lists.
>>
>> My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any
>> interest in the engines.
>>
>> Should I keep them and give them to the boys when
>> they're older or get
>> rid of most of them?
>>
>> ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring
>> any self-interest answers :)
>>
>> Paul
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Apr 25 08:18:08 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:18:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <200704251518.l3PFII5C027985@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
[mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Paul
Pavlinovich
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:13 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list
Subject: What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?

I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of 
engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and 
becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or 
so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any 
shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The 
engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of 
person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines 
- a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is 
these two email lists.

My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines.

Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get 
rid of most of them?

ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers :)

Paul

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Paul -- 

I found myself in much the same situation.  My engines don't owe me
anything, but they were crowding me out of my garage; so, I went halfway and
sold the biggest ones.  (Mounted on its cart, one of them took the space of
a small car.) I'm too sentimentally attached to some of my toys to part with
them.  Every now and then I'll roll them out and put on a mini-show for just
the wife and myself.  

The day might come in which your boys become interested.  Nostalgia won't
set in until middle age; at that point they'll remember dear ol' dad and his
engines and wish they had one or two in order to keep their father's memory
alive. 

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 25 10:05:43 2007
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:05:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY139-F2608497873BBABD3445B49B4490@phx.gbl>

I wouldnt get too excited about selling them yet.  My boys are 14 and 16 and 
are just getting an interest in the engines.  They both have  enjoyed 
attending shows and help operating engines but just now are getting into the 
understanding and learning how they work.  When they ask about why the mini 
bike has no spark or runs bad I start with the basics.  It is much easier to 
see how the four cycles happen on an open crank exposed pushrod engine than 
a shrouded modern engine.  Or how an ignition system makes a spark if they 
can see all the parts exposed.  I also use my Regimota New Holland model at 
my day job.  Gets good discussions going and who knows - it may lead to some 
leads on finding some new stuff someday.

I dont know if the merit badge system is the same down under but you can 
become a merit badge counselor for the scouts.  Auto mechanics, Farm 
mechanics and Blacksmithing(Metalwork)are some that I do and engines can 
become props for explaining them too.  All the diagrams and drawings in the 
book wont grab attention like a running engine. (for boys of any age)

Ed Herreid
Trevor Wisconsin



----Original Message Follows----
From: Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org,        The SEL email discussion list 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:12:57 +1000

I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of
engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and
becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or
so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any
shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The
engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of
person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines
- a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is
these two email lists.

My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines.

Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get
rid of most of them?

ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers :)

Paul
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From b2 at chooka.net  Wed Apr 25 11:51:40 2007
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:51:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
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References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <010501c7876a$c2cd5c30$700a0a0a@apluscomputer.local>

Peter, I was hoping to see something more definitive come out of the list
for you, but in the absence of that I'll take a stab at it.  

For speed I'd guess about 500-1000 rpm; that may be off, so be careful.  I
expect the speed has a range that's OK, I know my Dad talked of running his
earlier setup off a hit-miss John Deere and he installed a brake drum to use
as a pulley to get the speed up.  Of course, I have no reference as to what
the other pulley was...  By the time I was hanging around and even doing a
little shearing it had long been converted to electric.  My mind's eye
pictures a motor, probably running at 1800, and about a quarter to a half
speed reduction with the V belt pulleys.

The down shaft was attached to about a 16-inch shaft to which we attached
the handpiece.  I'd say if you placed the handpiece on the ground, the
16-inch shaft was at about 45 degrees.

The grinding disks seemed to run pretty aggressively, maybe 1800 rpm.  The
surface Dad liked the best was one where he cleaned off the disks, applied
adhesive, and sprinkled the fine and coarse grit upon them.  He also bought
grit disks that he pasted to the aluminum disks but he felt he got a better
job with the ones he prepared himself.

Hope I'm not giving you a bum steer here.  This is from memory approaching
50 years ago for me.

There were competing schools of how best to shear a sheep.  The one that the
pro's in my area subscribed to was referred to as the Australian method.  In
fact, that's the only sequence I can remember watching and certainly the
only one I ever attempted.  I never sheared enough to get very good at it.
Most of my time was catching and bagging.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:57 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please

Hi all

For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I
have a few questions:

1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft or
down tube shaft.

2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging
vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.

 See photos attached at:
http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm

3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the cutters.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm

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From mholland at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr 25 12:18:19 2007
From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:18:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-F2608497873BBABD3445B49B4490@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY139-F2608497873BBABD3445B49B4490@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <2527.65.146.155.210.1177528699.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Paul, Ed has a good idea about using the engines for explaining how an
engine works to the scouts.  I have a 1945 BSA Farm Mechanics merit badge
book and on page 7 is a cross-section of a gasoline engine.  It is most
likely a 1 1/2 E John Deere as the following pictures are of a John Deere
tractor.  Devin (now 14 y/o) does like the engines and has one other scout
from his troop interested.  The boys have done their service hours at our
show grounds.

Missy Holland
Gastonia, NC


> I dont know if the merit badge system is the same down under but you can
> become a merit badge counselor for the scouts.  Auto mechanics, Farm
> mechanics and Blacksmithing(Metalwork)are some that I do and engines can
> become props for explaining them too.  All the diagrams and drawings in
> the
> book wont grab attention like a running engine. (for boys of any age)
>
> Ed Herreid
> Trevor Wisconsin
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
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> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org,        The SEL email discussion list
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:12:57 +1000
>
> I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of
> engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and
> becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or
> so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any
> shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The
> engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of
> person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines
> - a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is
> these two email lists.
>
> My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines.
>
> Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get
> rid of most of them?
>
> ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers
> :)
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr 25 15:34:03 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:34:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech>
	<010501c7876a$c2cd5c30$700a0a0a@apluscomputer.local>
Message-ID: <000d01c78789$d3f53400$0601a8c0@altech>

Thanks Bill, you input is noted and appreciated mate.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm




Peter, I was hoping to see something more definitive come out of the list
for you, but in the absence of that I'll take a stab at it.

For speed I'd guess about 500-1000 rpm; that may be off, so be careful.  I
expect the speed has a range that's OK, I know my Dad talked of running his
earlier setup off a hit-miss John Deere and he installed a brake drum to use
as a pulley to get the speed up.  Of course, I have no reference as to what
the other pulley was...  By the time I was hanging around and even doing a
little shearing it had long been converted to electric.  My mind's eye
pictures a motor, probably running at 1800, and about a quarter to a half
speed reduction with the V belt pulleys.

The down shaft was attached to about a 16-inch shaft to which we attached
the handpiece.  I'd say if you placed the handpiece on the ground, the
16-inch shaft was at about 45 degrees.

The grinding disks seemed to run pretty aggressively, maybe 1800 rpm.  The
surface Dad liked the best was one where he cleaned off the disks, applied
adhesive, and sprinkled the fine and coarse grit upon them.  He also bought
grit disks that he pasted to the aluminum disks but he felt he got a better
job with the ones he prepared himself.

Hope I'm not giving you a bum steer here.  This is from memory approaching
50 years ago for me.

There were competing schools of how best to shear a sheep.  The one that the
pro's in my area subscribed to was referred to as the Australian method.  In
fact, that's the only sequence I can remember watching and certainly the
only one I ever attempted.  I never sheared enough to get very good at it.
Most of my time was catching and bagging.

B?

Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:57 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please

Hi all

For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I
have a few questions:

1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft or
down tube shaft.

2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging
vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.

 See photos attached at:
http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm

3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the cutters.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Apr 25 16:42:21 2007
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:42:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
Message-ID: <20070425.195024.960.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Pete,

I'm no expert and can't answer the questions but I don't think the
clippers rest on the ground. 
I believe they are hung on something.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/      " Traders, Moneylenders and Pimps 
  (_o_)                   are playing their trade in the temple."


From b2 at chooka.net  Wed Apr 25 17:06:31 2007
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:06:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
In-Reply-To: <000d01c78789$d3f53400$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech><010501c7876a$c2cd5c30$700a0a0a@apluscomputer.local>
	<000d01c78789$d3f53400$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <003801c78796$c0d7f0d0$640aa8c0@apluscomputer.local>

BTW, the movie Thorn Birds has a very good scene of shearing in Australia.
There was good detail of the setup, including a nice I/C engine running the
equipment.  The shearing was of the "Australian method" that I knew.

B? 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:34 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please

Thanks Bill, you input is noted and appreciated mate.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm




Peter, I was hoping to see something more definitive come out of the list
for you, but in the absence of that I'll take a stab at it.

For speed I'd guess about 500-1000 rpm; that may be off, so be careful.  I
expect the speed has a range that's OK, I know my Dad talked of running his
earlier setup off a hit-miss John Deere and he installed a brake drum to use
as a pulley to get the speed up.  Of course, I have no reference as to what
the other pulley was...  By the time I was hanging around and even doing a
little shearing it had long been converted to electric.  My mind's eye
pictures a motor, probably running at 1800, and about a quarter to a half
speed reduction with the V belt pulleys.

The down shaft was attached to about a 16-inch shaft to which we attached
the handpiece.  I'd say if you placed the handpiece on the ground, the
16-inch shaft was at about 45 degrees.

The grinding disks seemed to run pretty aggressively, maybe 1800 rpm.  The
surface Dad liked the best was one where he cleaned off the disks, applied
adhesive, and sprinkled the fine and coarse grit upon them.  He also bought
grit disks that he pasted to the aluminum disks but he felt he got a better
job with the ones he prepared himself.

Hope I'm not giving you a bum steer here.  This is from memory approaching
50 years ago for me.

There were competing schools of how best to shear a sheep.  The one that the
pro's in my area subscribed to was referred to as the Australian method.  In
fact, that's the only sequence I can remember watching and certainly the
only one I ever attempted.  I never sheared enough to get very good at it.
Most of my time was catching and bagging.

B?

Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:57 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please

Hi all

For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I
have a few questions:

1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft or
down tube shaft.

2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging
vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.

 See photos attached at:
http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm

3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the cutters.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm

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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Wed Apr 25 18:28:25 2007
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:28:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
References: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <004101c787a2$30ec4230$e7e84c0c@D48VHZ61>

I'd just keep them as long as they are kept out of the rain. They might get 
dirty in storage but shouldn't really deteriorate. Maybe make it a point to 
once a month or so to crank one of them. If after a few years you have no 
intrest in them then have an auction.

John Hall
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<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?


>I have a bit of a dilemma - over the years I've collected a number of
> engines. Since returning to involvement with my local steam railway and
> becoming a Scout Leader I've not touched them in the last three years or
> so. I've not had time to play with them. I've not had time to go to any
> shows (although I plan on taking the troop to a show this year). The
> engines just sit in my shed deteriorating. I've become the kind of
> person I was disappointed to meet when I was trying to acquire machines
> - a hoarder who does nothing with his machinery. The nearest I get is
> these two email lists.
>
> My boys are 10 and 12, but neither have any interest in the engines.
>
> Should I keep them and give them to the boys when they're older or get
> rid of most of them?
>
> ps. don't offer to buy them - I'll be ignoring any self-interest answers 
> :)
>
> Paul
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 25 18:57:58 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:57:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech><010501c7876a$c2cd5c30$700a0a0a@apluscomputer.local>
	<000d01c78789$d3f53400$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <002801c787a6$511b8f30$8f741fd3@Edd>

Hi Peter.Here is the mechanical information from the Cooper Sunbeam book.
Line shaft :650 rpm
handpiece :3.300 rpm
grinder : 2.400 to 2.800
Hope this helps.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please


> Thanks Bill, you input is noted and appreciated mate.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
>
>
>
> Peter, I was hoping to see something more definitive come out of the list
> for you, but in the absence of that I'll take a stab at it.
>
> For speed I'd guess about 500-1000 rpm; that may be off, so be careful.  I
> expect the speed has a range that's OK, I know my Dad talked of running 
> his
> earlier setup off a hit-miss John Deere and he installed a brake drum to 
> use
> as a pulley to get the speed up.  Of course, I have no reference as to 
> what
> the other pulley was...  By the time I was hanging around and even doing a
> little shearing it had long been converted to electric.  My mind's eye
> pictures a motor, probably running at 1800, and about a quarter to a half
> speed reduction with the V belt pulleys.
>
> The down shaft was attached to about a 16-inch shaft to which we attached
> the handpiece.  I'd say if you placed the handpiece on the ground, the
> 16-inch shaft was at about 45 degrees.
>
> The grinding disks seemed to run pretty aggressively, maybe 1800 rpm.  The
> surface Dad liked the best was one where he cleaned off the disks, applied
> adhesive, and sprinkled the fine and coarse grit upon them.  He also 
> bought
> grit disks that he pasted to the aluminum disks but he felt he got a 
> better
> job with the ones he prepared himself.
>
> Hope I'm not giving you a bum steer here.  This is from memory approaching
> 50 years ago for me.
>
> There were competing schools of how best to shear a sheep.  The one that 
> the
> pro's in my area subscribed to was referred to as the Australian method. 
> In
> fact, that's the only sequence I can remember watching and certainly the
> only one I ever attempted.  I never sheared enough to get very good at it.
> Most of my time was catching and bagging.
>
> B?
>
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
>
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:57 AM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
>
> Hi all
>
> For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I
> have a few questions:
>
> 1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft 
> or
> down tube shaft.
>
> 2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging
> vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.
>
> See photos attached at:
> http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm
>
> 3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the 
> cutters.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Wed Apr 25 21:24:56 2007
From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:24:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
References: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <043BA9D3FB2B42B6B7191B8EB4235D66@billPC>

Paul,,
back in the 1980's i picked up, restored and showed  3 or 4 engines,, showed 
them for about 4 years,,, then got busy with other things, and seemed to 
have less time for the engines, however, i didnt sell them, just pushed them 
to the back of  one of the barns,,,,, my son was born in 1986, and when he 
was  about 14, i came in one day and he had dragged one of them up to the 
shop,,,,,,,,,he got it cleaned up a  little, and after a day or 2 had it 
running again,,,,,,,,well, that got me interested again, mainly because it 
was something we could do together,,,,,,over the following years, we';ve 
added quiet a number to that original 3 or 4,,, hes now 21 and has a much 
nicer collection than i do,,,, we've been to 3 shows just this month of 
april and his interest in them is still growing,,,,,
so, keep those engines,,, give those boys a little longer, take them to some 
more shows, and if they develop an interest  they will have a good starting 
place for a nice collection,,,,,,
theres nothing to loose, as the iron just increases in value each year, and 
so much to gain if the boys get interested and it turns into a nice family 
hobby,,,,,,,,,
just my thoughts,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not? 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr 25 23:45:37 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:45:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech><010501c7876a$c2cd5c30$700a0a0a@apluscomputer.local><000d01c78789$d3f53400$0601a8c0@altech>
	<002801c787a6$511b8f30$8f741fd3@Edd>
Message-ID: <001a01c787ce$7f6cfbd0$0601a8c0@altech>

Thanks Ed, good work mate.

Peter, Oz





Hi Peter.Here is the mechanical information from the Cooper Sunbeam book.
Line shaft :650 rpm
handpiece :3.300 rpm
grinder : 2.400 to 2.800
Hope this helps.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please


> Thanks Bill, you input is noted and appreciated mate.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
>
>
>
> Peter, I was hoping to see something more definitive come out of the list
> for you, but in the absence of that I'll take a stab at it.
>
> For speed I'd guess about 500-1000 rpm; that may be off, so be careful.  I
> expect the speed has a range that's OK, I know my Dad talked of running
> his
> earlier setup off a hit-miss John Deere and he installed a brake drum to
> use
> as a pulley to get the speed up.  Of course, I have no reference as to
> what
> the other pulley was...  By the time I was hanging around and even doing a
> little shearing it had long been converted to electric.  My mind's eye
> pictures a motor, probably running at 1800, and about a quarter to a half
> speed reduction with the V belt pulleys.
>
> The down shaft was attached to about a 16-inch shaft to which we attached
> the handpiece.  I'd say if you placed the handpiece on the ground, the
> 16-inch shaft was at about 45 degrees.
>
> The grinding disks seemed to run pretty aggressively, maybe 1800 rpm.  The
> surface Dad liked the best was one where he cleaned off the disks, applied
> adhesive, and sprinkled the fine and coarse grit upon them.  He also
> bought
> grit disks that he pasted to the aluminum disks but he felt he got a
> better
> job with the ones he prepared himself.
>
> Hope I'm not giving you a bum steer here.  This is from memory approaching
> 50 years ago for me.
>
> There were competing schools of how best to shear a sheep.  The one that
> the
> pro's in my area subscribed to was referred to as the Australian method.
> In
> fact, that's the only sequence I can remember watching and certainly the
> only one I ever attempted.  I never sheared enough to get very good at it.
> Most of my time was catching and bagging.
>
> B?
>
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
>
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:57 AM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
>
> Hi all
>
> For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I
> have a few questions:
>
> 1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft
> or
> down tube shaft.
>
> 2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging
> vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.
>
> See photos attached at:
> http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm
>
> 3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the
> cutters.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Thu Apr 26 02:08:33 2007
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:08:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
In-Reply-To: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech>
References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <46306C11.5020803@steamengine.com.au>

Hi Peter, when I had my set running I ran the engine at 600rpm - not for 
any good reason, it was just the speed it was set to when I got it :).

My clippers would lie almost flat on the ground when the tube was 
vertical. Definitely with the moving teeth clear of the dirt.

Regards
Paul

Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi all
>
> For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I 
> have a few questions:
>
> 1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft or 
> down tube shaft.
>
> 2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging 
> vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.
>
>  See photos attached at:
> http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm
>
> 3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the cutters.
>
>   



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Apr 26 12:21:04 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:21:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
Message-ID: <20070426.122105.1080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  What is the correct point gap for a FM J1AZ mag on a Z style D? 
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Apr 26 18:51:09 2007
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:51:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
Message-ID: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>

Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it should 
run.

Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;

Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these 
questions:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html

How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar 
to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder 
and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot 
tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark plug 
on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some 
time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is at 
least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled 
by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.

I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing the 
engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
Will I need an accumulator?
Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at 
Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the 
bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the 
connecting rod too.
Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks 
use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close 
enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air (I 
have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, I 
will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;

So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:    
I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to continue 
raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on 
locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that 
runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log 
trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading 
stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big 
oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good 
shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the 
"rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was 
shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be 
carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as 
much of the original finish as possible.

Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!

Spencer


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Apr 26 19:32:23 2007
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:32:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] What do you think? Get rid of my engines or not?
In-Reply-To: <462EFF79.7060806@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <20070427023244.ERNX13245.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

When I finished school I had over 70 engines. At the time my father
suggested that I just pick the ones I most wanted to keep and sell the rest
as it would be some time before I returned to the hobby. The remaining few
good engines were put in storage while I went to Uni and then started work.
The engines were put in storage at the end of 1987 and it was not until 1999
that any were pulled out again. If stored properly they deteriorate very
little.
Your boys may discover the hobby later & you will more than likely find the
time to play with the engines again in a few years. I would suggest keeping
the ones that mean the most to you & storing them properly and getting rid
of the excess.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/





From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Apr 26 20:44:22 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:44:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
In-Reply-To: <20070426.122105.1080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20070426.122105.1080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070426234252.035521b0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Ron,
When in doubt set to 20ths thats about the standard used by most all. I'd 
be suprised if that isn't the right setting.


At 03:21 PM 4/26/07, you wrote:
>Hi all.  What is the correct point gap for a FM J1AZ mag on a Z style D?
>Thanks.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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Parts lists available on request.

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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Apr 26 22:07:30 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:07:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
Message-ID: <20070426.220730.2140.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Thanks Mark.  That sounds about right.  I was confused when the
instruction book in the magneto section called for setting the spark plug
points at .035 -.040.  I wasn't sure they meant the plug.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:44:22 -0400 Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> writes:
> Hi Ron,
> When in doubt set to 20ths thats about the standard used by most 
> all. I'd 
> be suprised if that isn't the right setting.
> 
> 
> At 03:21 PM 4/26/07, you wrote:
> >Hi all.  What is the correct point gap for a FM J1AZ mag on a Z 
> style D?
> >Thanks.
>


From bethell1 at iinet.net.au  Thu Apr 26 23:35:47 2007
From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (Jim Bethell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:05:47 +0930
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please
References: <002a01c78728$6e1fd510$0601a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <007301c78896$4b65e770$dc0c54d2@MANNO2>

Peter,
RA Lister manual states handpiece, 3300 RPM, Grinder, 2600 RPM> All 
different makers plant should run at the same speed as handpieces are 
interchangable, even today.
The common practice is to place your handpiece on its side on the ground 
when attached to the downtube, the short tube should be at a slight angle 
when handpiece attached ( up to approx 120 deg).
regards
Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: [SEL] Shearing plant questions/answers please


> Hi all
>
> For those of you that might know a little or a lot about Shearing Plants I
> have a few questions:
>
> 1. What speed do the clippers runs at, what RPM on the final drive shaft 
> or
> down tube shaft.
>
> 2. When the clippers are attached to the down tube and the tube is hanging
> vertically, at what angle do the clippers rest on the ground.
>
> See photos attached at:
> http://home.exetel.com.au/plowe/wolseley/index.htm
>
> 3. What speed do the grinding discs run at, the disc for honing the 
> cutters.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Apr 27 04:59:02 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:59:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
In-Reply-To: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOELMFKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Spencer:

Some guys have all the luck!  I'd give my eye teeth to have an engine like that and a place to store it.

Having said that, I will admit that I'm about as ignorant about the Ball as you.  Take heart though - you'll learn all you need to know to get it running.

Good luck and take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Spencer
> Yost
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 08:51 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do 
> I do with it?
> 
> 
> Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on 
> the ground, and it should 
> run.
> 
> Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Apr 27 04:06:51 2007
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:06:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
References: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
Message-ID: <003801c788bc$28620490$0601a8c0@altech>

Hi Spencer

Take one step at a time, we only wish we had the range of oil field engines 
you guys in the US have, so we are green with envy.

You know by now that you have many GOOD friends on both LISTS, use them 
individually and collectively to ask as many question as you wish.
Document all the acquired info into a folder about the Ball.
Check each individual sections of the engine and the engine as a whole, do 
not be in a hurry to get a fire in the hole until your sure everything is 
right.
Have a starting party with all your good friends and use that collective 
experience to make it work safely first time.

Just my $0.02 worth from Down Under.

Peter, Oz





> Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it should
> run.
>
> Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;
>
> Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these
> questions:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html
>
> How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar
> to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder
> and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot
> tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark plug
> on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some
> time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is at
> least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled
> by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.
>
> I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing the
> engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
> Will I need an accumulator?
> Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
> I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at
> Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the
> bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the
> connecting rod too.
> Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
> How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks
> use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close
> enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air (I
> have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, I
> will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;
>
> So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:
> I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to continue
> raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on
> locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that
> runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log
> trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading
> stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big
> oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good
> shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the
> "rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was
> shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be
> carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as
> much of the original finish as possible.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!
>
> Spencer
> _______________________________________________
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Apr 27 07:38:41 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:38:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
In-Reply-To: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
References: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070427093422.04ec15e0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Spencer,
         Let's take this One step at a time. First, how much compression do 
you have? Try to pull it through and see if you can. If it's pretty easy, 
but you can tell that there is a bit of compression, then oil the hell out 
of the rings and try it again. Let us know what happens in this first step.
         Dave

At 08:51 PM 4/26/2007, Spencer Yost wrote:
>Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it should
>run.
>
>Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;
>
>Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these
>questions:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html
>
>How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar
>to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder
>and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot
>tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark plug
>on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some
>time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is at
>least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled
>by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.
>
>I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing the
>engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
>Will I need an accumulator?
>Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
>I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at
>Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the
>bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the
>connecting rod too.
>Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
>How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks
>use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close
>enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air (I
>have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, I
>will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;
>
>So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:
>I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to continue
>raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on
>locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that
>runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log
>trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading
>stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big
>oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good
>shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the
>"rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was
>shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be
>carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as
>much of the original finish as possible.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!
>
>Spencer
>_______________________________________________
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr 27 06:41:55 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:41:55 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Famous
Message-ID: <d24.ce165da.336357a3@aol.com>

I finally got my 1914, all original, off the farm,  6 Hp Famous running after 
sitting and being repaired for a number of years.  Craig Prucha bored the 
cylinder, built up the piston and new rings.  Picture of how I got it started the 
first time.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/famous%20belted.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/famous%20belted.jpg) 
 
I had the 7hp Economy already on the trailer taking to shows.  The belt I had 
just was the right length.  Backed the trailer up to the Famous wheels, let 
the Economy back on the trailer some and winched the Economy/belt tight.  Fired 
up the Economy and engaged the clutch pulley on the Famous and it fired right 
up! After the first running it had enough compression to start by hand.  It 
is now loaded on the trailer and headed to Reidsville, NC for the show 
tomorrow.  It is a great engine!
 (http://www.internet-soft.com/doc/responce.jpg)  
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Apr 27 07:14:21 2007
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:14:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Famous
References: <d24.ce165da.336357a3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV11F77E0A759710BA9C10F1BB4F0@phx.gbl>

Now that's playin' from the ears up Tom...thanks for the pix..will forward 
this to friend Corky as he has two Famoosses.

RickinMt.




> I finally got my 1914, all original, off the farm,  6 Hp Famous running 
> after
> sitting and being repaired for a number of years.  Craig Prucha bored the
> cylinder, built up the piston and new rings.  Picture of how I got it 
> started the
> first time.
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/famous%20belted.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/famous%20belted.jpg)
>
> I had the 7hp Economy already on the trailer taking to shows.  The belt I 
> had
> just was the right length.  Backed the trailer up to the Famous wheels, 
> let
> the Economy back on the trailer some and winched the Economy/belt tight. 
> Fired
> up the Economy and engaged the clutch pulley on the Famous and it fired 
> right
> up! After the first running it had enough compression to start by hand. 
> It
> is now loaded on the trailer and headed to Reidsville, NC for the show
> tomorrow.  It is a great engine!
>  (http://www.internet-soft.com/doc/responce.jpg)
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.
>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Apr 27 08:23:05 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:23:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070427093422.04ec15e0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070427093422.04ec15e0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <46321559.1070109@imc-group.com>

Spencer,
You need to meet Dallas Cox and his buddy Brose Easterly (sp?). They are 
in the High Point area. Dallas used to be on the SEL.
They have several OF engines and can lend you a hand.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Hi Spencer,
>          Let's take this One step at a time. First, how much compression do 
> you have? Try to pull it through and see if you can. If it's pretty easy, 
> but you can tell that there is a bit of compression, then oil the hell out 
> of the rings and try it again. Let us know what happens in this first step.
>          Dave
>
> At 08:51 PM 4/26/2007, Spencer Yost wrote:
>   
>> Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it should
>> run.
>>
>> Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;
>>
>> Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these
>> questions:
>>
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html
>>
>> How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar
>> to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder
>> and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot
>> tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark plug
>> on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some
>> time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is at
>> least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled
>> by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.
>>
>> I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing the
>> engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
>> Will I need an accumulator?
>> Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
>> I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at
>> Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the
>> bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the
>> connecting rod too.
>> Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
>> How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks
>> use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close
>> enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air (I
>> have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, I
>> will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;
>>
>> So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:
>> I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to continue
>> raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on
>> locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that
>> runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log
>> trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading
>> stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big
>> oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good
>> shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the
>> "rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was
>> shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be
>> carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as
>> much of the original finish as possible.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!
>>
>> Spencer
>> _______________________________________________
>> OFES mailing list
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes
>>     
>
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>
>   



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Apr 27 11:02:43 2007
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:02:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with  it?
In-Reply-To: <46321559.1070109@imc-group.com>
References: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070427093422.04ec15e0@mail.alltel.net>
	<46321559.1070109@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070427130204.04f2d788@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Spencer, Dallas should still be at: "Dallas Cox" <dcox at triad.rr.com>
         Dave

At 10:23 AM 4/27/2007, Curt wrote:
>Spencer,
>You need to meet Dallas Cox and his buddy Brose Easterly (sp?). They are
>in the High Point area. Dallas used to be on the SEL.
>They have several OF engines and can lend you a hand.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>Dave Rotigel wrote:
> > Hi Spencer,
> >          Let's take this One step at a time. First, how much 
> compression do
> > you have? Try to pull it through and see if you can. If it's pretty easy,
> > but you can tell that there is a bit of compression, then oil the hell out
> > of the rings and try it again. Let us know what happens in this first step.
> >          Dave
> >
> > At 08:51 PM 4/26/2007, Spencer Yost wrote:
> >
> >> Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it should
> >> run.
> >>
> >> Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;
> >>
> >> Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these
> >> questions:
> >>
> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html
> >>
> >> How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar
> >> to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder
> >> and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot
> >> tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark plug
> >> on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some
> >> time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is at
> >> least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled
> >> by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.
> >>
> >> I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing the
> >> engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
> >> Will I need an accumulator?
> >> Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
> >> I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at
> >> Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the
> >> bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the
> >> connecting rod too.
> >> Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
> >> How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks
> >> use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close
> >> enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air (I
> >> have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, I
> >> will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;
> >>
> >> So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:
> >> I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to continue
> >> raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on
> >> locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that
> >> runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log
> >> trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading
> >> stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big
> >> oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good
> >> shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the
> >> "rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was
> >> shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be
> >> carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as
> >> much of the original finish as possible.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!
> >>
> >> Spencer
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OFES mailing list
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr 27 10:22:17 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:22:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> Hot Air Engine Meet - Tulare - Video
Message-ID: <6E995606-C985-4216-A198-C82DB85B68D3@rustyiron.com>

Last weekend was the Third Southwest Regional Hot Air Engine Meet,  
held in conjunction with the Antique Farm Show in Tulare, California.

The Hot Air Meet was more successful than we could have imagined.  On  
hand were every size Rider ever made, every size Ericsson ever made,  
super-rare one-of-a-kind engines, magnificent models, and collectors  
from across North America and Europe.

We hired a professional video producer to document this historic  
event.  He's done several other engine shows, specifically the  
California Gold invitational shows, and the quality has been  
outstanding.  The DVD's are now in production and will be ready by  
the end of May.  If you would like to order one, please visit:

http://www.rustyiron.com/hotairshow


If you order now, you'll be guaranteed a copy.  After the original  
production run, we may not make any more.  These videos will never be  
available elsewhere, so if you want one, now is the time to get it.   
DVD's will also be in PAL format for those of you in the UK and  
Australia.

Disclaimer:  Yes, I have a financial interest in this.  It's unlikely  
we'll recover the cost of production, but financial gain wasn't our  
goal in making the video.

If you have questions about the video, please contact me off list.

If you want to talk about hot air engines, the show, or Tulare in  
general, let's do it on list.

Rob









From oiseming at moscow.com  Fri Apr 27 13:26:29 2007
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:26:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> Hot Air Engine Meet - Tulare - Video
In-Reply-To: <6E995606-C985-4216-A198-C82DB85B68D3@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <200704272026.l3RKQXEp027766@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:22 AM
To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> Hot Air Engine Meet - Tulare - Video

Last weekend was the Third Southwest Regional Hot Air Engine Meet,  
held in conjunction with the Antique Farm Show in Tulare, California.


Snip

If you want to talk about hot air engines, the show, or Tulare in  
general, let's do it on list.

Rob

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thank you, Rob, for your role in putting on the show and recording it for
those of us who could not attend.  We intended to be there, but illness
struck about the time we were due to hit the road for Tulare. 

How did this show compare, size-wise, to the first one held at Cottonwood?

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   






From roachmann at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 13:46:34 2007
From: roachmann at gmail.com (samuel gooding)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:46:34 +1200
Subject: [SEL] shearing plant questions/answers please
Message-ID: <aaee84ae0704271346k1f170ac3i329a998be9f42844@mail.gmail.com>

The engine you have there is a Wolseley style 4, it should run at about 650
rpm at the flywheels. They run real nice, with a distinctive sound coming
from the sucking of the inlet manifold. I have no idea about the plant
itself sorry. Oh, one more thing, be careful if you remove the head, the
head studs are often made of very poor quality steel, I know someone that
sheared half of them off removing them! good luck!



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Apr 27 15:04:10 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:04:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
References: <4631570D.20905@atis.net><6.1.2.0.0.20070427093422.04ec15e0@mail.alltel.net>
	<46321559.1070109@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <028701c7891b$fed5df60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

What Happened to Dallas?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "Oil Field Engine Society mailing list" 
<ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "SEL (Oldengine.org)" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?


> Spencer,
> You need to meet Dallas Cox and his buddy Brose Easterly (sp?). They are
> in the High Point area. Dallas used to be on the SEL.
> They have several OF engines and can lend you a hand.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>> Hi Spencer,
>>          Let's take this One step at a time. First, how much compression 
>> do
>> you have? Try to pull it through and see if you can. If it's pretty easy,
>> but you can tell that there is a bit of compression, then oil the hell 
>> out
>> of the rings and try it again. Let us know what happens in this first 
>> step.
>>          Dave
>>
>> At 08:51 PM 4/26/2007, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>
>>> Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it should
>>> run.
>>>
>>> Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;
>>>
>>> Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these
>>> questions:
>>>
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html
>>>
>>> How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar
>>> to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder
>>> and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot
>>> tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark plug
>>> on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some
>>> time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is at
>>> least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled
>>> by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.
>>>
>>> I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing the
>>> engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
>>> Will I need an accumulator?
>>> Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
>>> I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at
>>> Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the
>>> bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the
>>> connecting rod too.
>>> Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
>>> How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks
>>> use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close
>>> enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air (I
>>> have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, I
>>> will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;
>>>
>>> So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:
>>> I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to continue
>>> raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on
>>> locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that
>>> runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log
>>> trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading
>>> stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big
>>> oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good
>>> shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the
>>> "rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was
>>> shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be
>>> carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as
>>> much of the original finish as possible.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!
>>>
>>> Spencer
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OFES mailing list
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes
>>
>>
>>
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr 27 20:15:35 2007
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:15:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Engine Meet - Tulare - Video
In-Reply-To: <200704272026.l3RKQXEp027766@mail-gw.fsr.net>
References: <200704272026.l3RKQXEp027766@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <B6E8C8D6-B5FF-40C8-AB69-1BB631790F8D@rustyiron.com>

On Apr 27, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Orrin Iseminger wrote:

> Thank you, Rob, for your role in putting on the show and recording  
> it for
> those of us who could not attend.  We intended to be there, but  
> illness
> struck about the time we were due to hit the road for Tulare.
>
> How did this show compare, size-wise, to the first one held at  
> Cottonwood?

Hi Orrin,
Sorry you couldn't make it.

Size?  Shear numbers?  I don't know for sure.  This year we had more  
large engines, including every sized Rider and every size Ericsson  
ever made.  I don't think that's happened since production was  
ceased.  My impression is that there were more small engines in  
2001.  Each of the three shows so far have had unique items, and all  
have been noteworthy.

Rob




From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Apr 27 20:41:31 2007
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:41:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Steve Gray
Message-ID: <007c01c78947$1cf74940$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Can someone, maybe even Steve Gray, give me his email address.

Jim

Jim and Diane
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Apr 27 21:04:22 2007
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:04:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Steve Gray
References: <007c01c78947$1cf74940$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <032201c7894a$51f16bf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Gray, Steve
E-mail Address(es):
  segray at bigvalley.net


Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 1:41 PM
Subject: [SEL] Steve Gray


> Can someone, maybe even Steve Gray, give me his email address.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Apr 28 02:10:57 2007
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:10:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Australia
Message-ID: <46330fa1.2ce.7099.834176694@netspeed.com.au>

G,day Larry 
I,am in Canberra  Australias Capital 
Regards brock 
----- Original Message -----
From: "L B" <anmlcrkr at insightbb.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] Australia
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:51:42 -0500

> What memebers live in Australia?  Email me offlist please.
> 
> Larry Brandon
> Sterling, IL 61081
> anmlcrkr at insightbb.com
>  
> 
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From svsuzanne at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 28 02:30:44 2007
From: svsuzanne at earthlink.net (DAN RICHARDSON)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:30:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
Message-ID: <380-22007462893044692@earthlink.net>

My Grandfather told me to always set a plug to a thin dime.


> [Original Message]
> From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 4/26/2007 11:45:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z D
>
> Hi Ron,
> When in doubt set to 20ths thats about the standard used by most all. I'd 
> be suprised if that isn't the right setting.
>
>
> At 03:21 PM 4/26/07, you wrote:
> >Hi all.  What is the correct point gap for a FM J1AZ mag on a Z style D?
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Ron Haskell
> >rdhaskell at juno.com
> >Riverside, California
> >USA
> >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr 28 05:35:42 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:35:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] new google maps
Message-ID: <002701c78991$c36cf730$e5c30b52@no1>

Just found this and it seems ideal for us to show the way to shows & engine museums.
It seems to work worldwide but I just tried a rough route from Manchester Airport to the
Anson Engine museum to try it out. See 
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&z=12&om=1&msid=117836173680704147490.0000011238198afd7cf0f&msa=0
This was my first try, so no doubt it could be done better.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From fsouthwell at googlemail.com  Sat Apr 28 08:21:28 2007
From: fsouthwell at googlemail.com (Fred Southwell)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:21:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] new google maps
In-Reply-To: <002701c78991$c36cf730$e5c30b52@no1>
References: <002701c78991$c36cf730$e5c30b52@no1>
Message-ID: <3bd33b2e0704280821v6cfd7e68pe247f372f9904d29@mail.gmail.com>

Check out the satellite option. Many parts of the UK are available down to
20m, including this one.

On 28/04/07, Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> Just found this and it seems ideal for us to show the way to shows &
> engine museums.
> It seems to work worldwide but I just tried a rough route from Manchester
> Airport to the
> Anson Engine museum to try it out. See
>
> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&z=12&om=1&msid=117836173680704147490.0000011238198afd7cf0f&msa=0
> This was my first try, so no doubt it could be done better.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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See all my pictures at http://community.webshots.com/user/g6zru



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr 28 08:50:35 2007
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:50:35 +0100
Subject: [SEL] new google maps
References: <002701c78991$c36cf730$e5c30b52@no1>
	<3bd33b2e0704280821v6cfd7e68pe247f372f9904d29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101c789ac$f6e56f00$e5c30b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Southwell" <fsouthwell at googlemail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] new google maps
> 
> On 28/04/07, Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just found this and it seems ideal for us to show the way to shows &
>> engine museums.
>> It seems to work worldwide but I just tried a rough route from Manchester
>> Airport to the
>> Anson Engine museum to try it out. See
>>
>> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&z=12&om=1&msid=117836173680704147490.0000011238198afd7cf0f&msa=0
>> This was my first try, so no doubt it could be done better.
>> Dave Croft

> Check out the satellite option. Many parts of the UK are available down to
> 20m, including this one.


Hi Fred, there is a better version for the UK arial shots.
see http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=53.349443~-2.090256&style=h&lvl=18&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&encType=1
This is the Anson Museum. You can get maps but cannot draw the route you wish to show.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Apr 28 09:30:50 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:30:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
Message-ID: <20070428.093051.1716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Dan.  If you don't have a thin dime, use a nickel and five pennies.
<vbg>

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:30:44 -0400 "DAN RICHARDSON"
<svsuzanne at earthlink.net> writes:
> My Grandfather told me to always set a plug to a thin dime.


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sat Apr 28 15:42:42 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:42:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  FM Z D
Message-ID: <000a01c789e6$894f2fa0$8f741fd3@Edd>

Try again
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z D


> Hi .I have just looked through some of my mag books and Lucas and Bosch 
> have a point gap of .012 to .014..The R and RV F/M mags don't show a 
> setting in there books but they are difficult to set anyhow by the way 
> they work the points.F/M had a service tool for doing this.Maybe some of 
> the mag guys in the US have one.I have always set them by trial and error
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z D
>
>
>> Dan.  If you don't have a thin dime, use a nickel and five pennies.
>> <vbg>
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:30:44 -0400 "DAN RICHARDSON"
>> <svsuzanne at earthlink.net> writes:
>>> My Grandfather told me to always set a plug to a thin dime.
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 28 16:47:14 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 18:47:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <001f01c789ef$8cd16270$240110ac@FAMILY>

Ok Gang I need some advice. About three weeks ago after getting my 1905 Vertical 5 HP Stover all together I took it to my friends house about 60 miles from me and we attempted to start it. The engine had been rebuilt inside and out. They got it started but it would not stay running and we found that the engine was starving for gas and the fuel pump was the problem. I had rebuilt the fuel pump which included having a new brass plunger made, new plunger spring, and new check balls however I did not rework the ball seats so gas was leaking around the check balls and not keeping the carb full of gas.

I left the fuel pump with my friend as he is a machinist and he told me he would rework the seats. He called me yesterday and told me the fuel pump was ready and he had checked it out and it pumped good and the check balls were sealing off. I went and picked up the fuel pump today.

I installed the fuel pump and wired up the engine. I manually pumped the fuel pump until fuel ran out of the overflow hole on the carb. I then opened the needle valve about 3/4 to 1 turn and started trying to turn the engine over. The engine has so much compression that the only way I can turn it over is by opening the compression release. After a few turns it started and ran for about 10 seconds and then started to die, I quickly put my hand over the choke and it came back to life which told me it was a gas problem. After numerous exercises of pumping up the gas and then starting it and then it dying I started it and when it died I immediately disconnected the brass union on the fuel line between the fuel pump and the carb to see if gas was standing in this tube as it should be and it was not.This told me that for some reason the check balls were not seating in the fuel pump once again.

I have long suspected that the new plunger spring I installed could be the problem. In order for the spring to work I had to widen the bottom three coils to allow room for the check ball to go up inside of the spring when the spring was compressed. When I opened (widened)  up the bottom three coils of the spring to make room for the check ball to go up inside I got the bottom coils off center from the rest of the spring. Also upon inspecting the spring I noted that the very bottom coil was a little smaller than the two coils above it. I surmised that the bottom coils being off center to the rest of the spring was causing the coil to cock a little when compressed and was interfering with the seating of the ball. In a static test that my friend had conducted on the fuel pump this situation would not have shown up as in a static test he did not compress and releasing the spring, he just poured gas in the fuel pump and watched it to see if it leaked down and it did not. I reworked the bottom three coils on the spring, centered these coils with the rest of the spring and put it all back together. I put the pump back on and this seemed to fix the problem. The fuel pump now keeps the fuel bowl on the carb full all the time and you can even open the little petcock I put on the carb in place of the 3/8" overflow plug and you will get gas running out of it even though the engine is not running so now the bowl stays full and I have taken care of the gas problem.

After several more attempts to try and start it, in which I now was flooding the engine because it was getting plenty of gas and I was over choking it, and also once I discovered that the ignitor linkage had locked up once due to everything being too tight, I finally got all of these bugs worked out and the engine started. It was blowing dark black smoke which told me it was flooding so I slowly started screwing the needle valve in. The engine stopped smoking and speeded up tremendously so much so that the whole engine started jumping up and down. This scared me so I pulled the wire off of the battery.

I started it again and again it would  blow black smoke and as I turned the needle valve in the engine would really speed up hitting on every stroke and getting faster and faster and jumping up and down. Also it was blowing fire out the exhaust. It jumped so much that it bent the front axle on the cart. Each time I did an emergency shutdown.

I have now got to decide what is wrong, is the speed control knurl nut on the side of the block out of adjustment, is the governor not working properly, is the spring on the flyweights too weak, etc.

If you have any ideas please let me know meanwhile I will start trying to eliminate each possibility.

Thanks for all of the help.

Paul


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Apr 28 17:06:23 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:06:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <20070428.170623.1500.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Paul.
On an engine like this you have so many variables to work out until you
know the major settings.  I would control the speed by manually holding
the detent in to make it miss at the speed you want.  Then adjust the
fuel mixture and make a note of the setting.  Next look to see what
controls the latch out mechanism and get it to latch at the speed you
want.  You may have to cut or stretch springs to get the speed correct. 
But eliminate one factor at a time.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From plb at iinet.net.au  Sat Apr 28 17:10:23 2007
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:10:23 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <001f01c789ef$8cd16270$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <001f01c789ef$8cd16270$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <007e01c789f2$c8cfc8e0$5a6f5aa0$@net.au>

Sounds like the governor needs adjusting Paul.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2007 7:47 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help

Ok Gang I need some advice. About three weeks ago after getting my 1905
Vertical 5 HP Stover all together I took it to my friends house about 60
miles from me and we attempted to start it. The engine had been rebuilt
inside and out. They got it started but it would not stay running and we
found that the engine was starving for gas and the fuel pump was the
problem. I had rebuilt the fuel pump which included having a new brass
plunger made, new plunger spring, and new check balls however I did not
rework the ball seats so gas was leaking around the check balls and not
keeping the carb full of gas.

I left the fuel pump with my friend as he is a machinist and he told me he
would rework the seats. He called me yesterday and told me the fuel pump was
ready and he had checked it out and it pumped good and the check balls were
sealing off. I went and picked up the fuel pump today.

I installed the fuel pump and wired up the engine. I manually pumped the
fuel pump until fuel ran out of the overflow hole on the carb. I then opened
the needle valve about 3/4 to 1 turn and started trying to turn the engine
over. The engine has so much compression that the only way I can turn it
over is by opening the compression release. After a few turns it started and
ran for about 10 seconds and then started to die, I quickly put my hand over
the choke and it came back to life which told me it was a gas problem. After
numerous exercises of pumping up the gas and then starting it and then it
dying I started it and when it died I immediately disconnected the brass
union on the fuel line between the fuel pump and the carb to see if gas was
standing in this tube as it should be and it was not.This told me that for
some reason the check balls were not seating in the fuel pump once again.

I have long suspected that the new plunger spring I installed could be the
problem. In order for the spring to work I had to widen the bottom three
coils to allow room for the check ball to go up inside of the spring when
the spring was compressed. When I opened (widened)  up the bottom three
coils of the spring to make room for the check ball to go up inside I got
the bottom coils off center from the rest of the spring. Also upon
inspecting the spring I noted that the very bottom coil was a little smaller
than the two coils above it. I surmised that the bottom coils being off
center to the rest of the spring was causing the coil to cock a little when
compressed and was interfering with the seating of the ball. In a static
test that my friend had conducted on the fuel pump this situation would not
have shown up as in a static test he did not compress and releasing the
spring, he just poured gas in the fuel pump and watched it to see if it
leaked down and it did not. I rework!
 ed the bottom three coils on the spring, centered these coils with the rest
of the spring and put it all back together. I put the pump back on and this
seemed to fix the problem. The fuel pump now keeps the fuel bowl on the carb
full all the time and you can even open the little petcock I put on the carb
in place of the 3/8" overflow plug and you will get gas running out of it
even though the engine is not running so now the bowl stays full and I have
taken care of the gas problem.

After several more attempts to try and start it, in which I now was flooding
the engine because it was getting plenty of gas and I was over choking it,
and also once I discovered that the ignitor linkage had locked up once due
to everything being too tight, I finally got all of these bugs worked out
and the engine started. It was blowing dark black smoke which told me it was
flooding so I slowly started screwing the needle valve in. The engine
stopped smoking and speeded up tremendously so much so that the whole engine
started jumping up and down. This scared me so I pulled the wire off of the
battery.

I started it again and again it would  blow black smoke and as I turned the
needle valve in the engine would really speed up hitting on every stroke and
getting faster and faster and jumping up and down. Also it was blowing fire
out the exhaust. It jumped so much that it bent the front axle on the cart.
Each time I did an emergency shutdown.

I have now got to decide what is wrong, is the speed control knurl nut on
the side of the block out of adjustment, is the governor not working
properly, is the spring on the flyweights too weak, etc.

If you have any ideas please let me know meanwhile I will start trying to
eliminate each possibility.

Thanks for all of the help.

Paul
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 28 17:18:41 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:18:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <001f01c789ef$8cd16270$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<007e01c789f2$c8cfc8e0$5a6f5aa0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <005f01c789f3$f182d510$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Ron and Ray, I will try these things and see what happens.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R and E Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> Sounds like the governor needs adjusting Paul.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth WA
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2007 7:47 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
> 
> Ok



From svsuzanne at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 29 03:12:33 2007
From: svsuzanne at earthlink.net (DAN RICHARDSON)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 06:12:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
Message-ID: <380-220074029101233941@earthlink.net>

Grandpa never had two nickles to rub together that's why he used a dime.


> [Original Message]
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 4/28/2007 12:33:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z D
>
>  Dan.  If you don't have a thin dime, use a nickel and five pennies.
> <vbg>
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:30:44 -0400 "DAN RICHARDSON"
> <svsuzanne at earthlink.net> writes:
> > My Grandfather told me to always set a plug to a thin dime.
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Apr 29 06:13:09 2007
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:13:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:48:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:

is the spring on the flyweights too weak,

Paul,
 
Not sure how your governor works, but if the spring/springs is between the 
governor flyweights, put on a weaker spring as this lets the weights expand 
quicker thus latching on quicker. General rule of thumb, weaker springs-slower 
run, stronger springs-faster run.  Some folks will even use rubber bands in place 
of springs.  But it also sounds like you have adjustment problems somewhere 
between governor and latch mechanisms.  I am assuming your engine is spark 
governed, not throttle governed. Another thing you can do, is expand the weights 
by hand and see how much movement/force it takes to latch on. 
 
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
Germoamer at aol.com



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 29 12:59:44 2007
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:59:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Steam Shovel on the history ch
In-Reply-To: <20070420024106.D00DA58E90@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <409624.30207.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Frank,
  What you watched was a repeat.
  Check out 
  http://www.themountainear.com/story6.shtml
   
  And read this
   
  The moving of the steam shovel will be aired this Tuesday, May 16th, at 9 p.m. on the History Channel. But locals who want to see the show on a big screen and hobnob with the major players can see it at the premiere showing at Gilpin County High School this Saturday, May 13, from 5:30 p.m. to 9 p.m. 

  That Tuesday, May 16 was in 2006.
   
   
  At
  http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=77445
   
  I saw a lot of nice Mega Movers DVDs for sale, but I didn't find that move available.
  Bummer,
  Lurker
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan U.S. of A.
   
   
  Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:
  Just caught a History Channel Mega movers on the saving and moving of 
a 1923 Bucyrus B50 Steem shovel. Good show. I hope they repeat it.
Here is a little info from the web.
http://www.themountainear.com/story19.shtml
http://dmtop.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_archive.html
http://www.themountainear.com/story6.shtml

Does anyone have any more info on it? How does it compare to the 
Bucyus-Erie 50-B steam shovel at Rollag? They look like the same machine.

Frank

Frank DeWitt

Light plant WEB page 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank
Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052
2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038
Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com 
       
---------------------------------
Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
 Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.


From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Apr 29 14:47:11 2007
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:47:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com>
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070430074432.01b8cb98@ncable.com.au>

When setting the speed up on my Eagle engine I had to remove the gib 
key and slide the flywheel a little further out and re place the gib 
key. This was because the governor yolk (right wording??) that slides 
along the flywheel was not getting enough of the detent arm roller?? 
if you get my meaning. May be worth a look at??
Russell


At 11:13 PM 29/04/2007, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:48:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>is the spring on the flyweights too weak,
>
>Paul,
>
>Not sure how your governor works, but if the spring/springs is between the
>governor flyweights, put on a weaker spring as this lets the weights expand
>quicker thus latching on quicker. General rule of thumb, weaker 
>springs-slower
>run, stronger springs-faster run.  Some folks will even use rubber 
>bands in place
>of springs.  But it also sounds like you have adjustment problems somewhere
>between governor and latch mechanisms.  I am assuming your engine is spark
>governed, not throttle governed. Another thing you can do, is expand 
>the weights
>by hand and see how much movement/force it takes to latch on.
>
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va.
>Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 29 15:55:02 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:55:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Tom,

The governor weight spring is a real weak spring, if you look close in these 
pictures you will see it. It is a hit and miss and not throttled governed 
engine. Here are some shots of the governor mechanism:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover2.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover3.jpg

Thanks for the help.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


>
> In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:48:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> is the spring on the flyweights too weak,
>
> Paul,
>
> Not sure how your governor works, but if the spring/springs is between the
> governor flyweights, put on a weaker spring as this lets the weights 
> expand
> quicker thus latching on quicker. General rule of thumb, weaker 
> springs-slower
> run, 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 29 15:55:59 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:55:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20070430074432.01b8cb98@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <009901c78ab1$8e271940$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Russell,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> When setting the speed up on my Eagle engine I had to remove the gib 
> key and slide the flywheel a little further out and re place the gib 
> key. This was because the governor yolk (right wording??) that slides 
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 29 19:05:10 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:05:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Help on Sherwood Oiler
Message-ID: <011d01c78acb$fc685a80$240110ac@FAMILY>

Ok Gang once again I need help on what would seemingly be a simple problem and it would probably be a simple problem for anyone but me. The old original Sherwood Oiler on the my Stover engine was very grungy, the glasses were glazed over with old harden oil, and it from all appearances it was plugged up.

I dis-assembled the oiler completely even removing the long center stem. The center stem was extremely hard to remove and once I got it out it appeared to have some old  hard packing at the bottom of the stem that was about 1/4" in width. This old packing just fell apart. I made some new packing out of Teflon and tried to get it about the same width. I made new cork gaskets for the glasses and out it all back together. Now I cannot seem to get the oiler to shut off, it drips continuously even when I have the top pivot folded over to let the stem relax and supposedly seal off.

Here is a picture of the oiler:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverOiler.jpg

Has anyone ever tore down one of these old Sherwood Oilers? Does anyone have an exploded diagram of one? I see a Number 1 stamped on the bottom of the oiler nut so I assume it is a #1 Sherwood Oiler. Any help that anyone can give this simpleton would be appreciated.

Paul


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sat Apr 28 14:14:15 2007
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 07:14:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
References: <20070428.093051.1716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001901c789da$2e2570f0$8f741fd3@Edd>

Hi .I have just looked through some of my mag books and Lucas and Bosch have 
a point gap of .012 to .014..The R and RV F/M mags don't show a setting in 
there books but they are difficult to set anyhow by the way they work the 
points.F/M had a service tool for doing this.Maybe some of the mag guys in 
the US have one.I have always set them by trial and error
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z D


> Dan.  If you don't have a thin dime, use a nickel and five pennies.
> <vbg>
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:30:44 -0400 "DAN RICHARDSON"
> <svsuzanne at earthlink.net> writes:
>> My Grandfather told me to always set a plug to a thin dime.
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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Sun Apr 29 20:04:45 2007
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:04:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Need Help on Sherwood Oiler
In-Reply-To: <011d01c78acb$fc685a80$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <011d01c78acb$fc685a80$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070429195417.02d66b98@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Paul,

If your new cork gaskets are thicker than the original ones you may have 
changed the relationship of the length of the center stem to the tube that 
it moves in causing it to not be able to seat at the bottom.  You could 
test this by temporarily removing the top cork gasket and see if it still 
does not seal.

Regards,
Larry

At 07:05 PM 4/29/2007, you wrote:
>Ok Gang once again I need help on what would seemingly be a simple problem 
>and it would probably be a simple problem for anyone but me. The old 
>original Sherwood Oiler on the my Stover engine was very grungy, the 
>glasses were glazed over with old harden oil, and it from all appearances 
>it was plugged up.
>
>I dis-assembled the oiler completely even removing the long center stem. 
>The center stem was extremely hard to remove and once I got it out it 
>appeared to have some old  hard packing at the bottom of the stem that was 
>about 1/4" in width. This old packing just fell apart. I made some new 
>packing out of Teflon and tried to get it about the same width. I made new 
>cork gaskets for the glasses and out it all back together. Now I cannot 
>seem to get the oiler to shut off, it drips continuously even when I have 
>the top pivot folded over to let the stem relax and supposedly seal off.
>
>Here is a picture of the oiler:
>
>http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverOiler.jpg
>
>Has anyone ever tore down one of these old Sherwood Oilers? Does anyone 
>have an exploded diagram of one? I see a Number 1 stamped on the bottom of 
>the oiler nut so I assume it is a #1 Sherwood Oiler. Any help that anyone 
>can give this simpleton would be appreciated.
>
>Paul
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Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 29 20:10:38 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:10:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Help on Sherwood Oiler
References: <011d01c78acb$fc685a80$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20070429195417.02d66b98@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <031601c78ad5$214dc340$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Larry, I will give this a try.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Evans" <lfevans at pacbell.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help on Sherwood Oiler


> Paul,
>
> If your new cork gaskets are thicker than the original ones you may have
> changed the relationship of the length of the center stem to the tube that
> it moves in causing it to not be able to seat at the bottom.  You could
> test this by temporarily removing the top cork gasket and see if it still
> does not seal.
>
> Regards,
> Larry
>
> At 07:05 PM 4/29/2007, you wrote:
>>Ok Gang once again I need help on what would seemingly be a simple problem
>>and it would probably be a simple problem for anyone but me. The old
>>original Sherwood Oiler on the my Stover engine was very grungy, the
>> 




From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Apr 29 20:53:10 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:53:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sattley Montgomery Wards Info wanted
In-Reply-To: <3bd33b2e0704280821v6cfd7e68pe247f372f9904d29@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <002701c78991$c36cf730$e5c30b52@no1>
	<3bd33b2e0704280821v6cfd7e68pe247f372f9904d29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070429230633.02f22a90@pop3.wcoil.com>

If anyone has a 1 1/2 Sattley Montgomery Wards Could you email "dave 
hutchens" <lastchanceranch at gvni.com>
He has one that he has some questions about the carb and gov set up which I 
am not real familiar with. He has it running but he's not sure its set up 
right.             Thanks,  Mark 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Apr 29 22:07:43 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:07:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FM Z D
Message-ID: <20070429.220743.532.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Thanks for your effort Edd.
I set the points at .020 and it will throw a ?" spark.  This is the
hottest mag I have ever seen on a ZD.  I don't have to spin it very fast
to get it to start.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 07:14:15 +1000 "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
writes:
> Hi .I have just looked through some of my mag books and Lucas and 
> Bosch have 
> a point gap of .012 to .014..The R and RV F/M mags don't show a 
> setting in 
> there books but they are difficult to set anyhow by the way they 
> work the 
> points.F/M had a service tool for doing this.Maybe some of the mag 
> guys in 
> the US have one.I have always set them by trial and error
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 30 05:32:26 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:32:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sattley Montgomery Wards Info wanted
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070429230633.02f22a90@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <374995.37970.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Mark,
  don't know how much help I can be but I got one and it runs.
  Ask away.
  Ron

Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
  If anyone has a 1 1/2 Sattley Montgomery Wards Could you email "dave 
hutchens" 
He has one that he has some questions about the carb and gov set up which I 
am not real familiar with. He has it running but he's not sure its set up 
right. Thanks, Mark 


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Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex 
    http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
  " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
   


       
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Apr 30 07:22:16 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:22:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEAAFLAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

It looks like you may have to move the flywheel into the engine a little so the pawl (the vertical piece that operates off of the governor collar) will fully engage the end of the cam roller shaft to hold the roller off the cam when the governor weights are all the way out as if the engine were up to speed.  I couldn't see it too well on your photos, but on my Jack of All Trades, the roller shaft has a short flat on it that the pawl engages.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 05:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
> 
> 
> Thanks Tom,
> 
> The governor weight spring is a real weak spring, 
> if you look close in these 
> pictures you will see it. It is a hit and miss 
> and not throttled governed 
> engine. Here are some shots of the governor mechanism:
> 
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapi
> n/Stover2.jpg
> 
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapi
> n/Stover3.jpg
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> Paul




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Apr 30 06:49:22 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:49:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com>
	<008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <4635F3E2.8060006@imc-group.com>

Paul,
Have looked over the photos. I'm guessing you want to run this engine a 
bit slower than nameplate, as most of us do this for the show scene.
Is the spring you mentioned and pictured not for trimming the speed? Are 
there not a pair of (or single) other springs actually working on the 
flyweights in the cam gear?

I ALWAYS assure the latchout mechanism works FIRST before ever adding 
the first bit of fuel to an engine. You can block or hold the intake 
valve open to assure the engine freewheels. With the right springs 
working on the weights, you should be able to rotate the flywheels fast 
enough to observe the latchout engage. Then as you watch it freewheel, 
it will slow, and then the latchout will drop out, allowing the exhaust 
valve to close and follow the cam.

I assume you have checked the basics first, such as making sure the 
detent block will easily fit under the catch with about a 1/32 
clearance? And you've assured the cam follower and its' stud are in good 
condition? A worn cam follower, will diminish lift, and prevent the 
detent block from getting under the latch.

Hey, what are the small set screws on the sides of the main bearing caps 
for? Fore and after positioning of the caps? Did Stover engines come 
with these?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:
> Thanks Tom,
>
> The governor weight spring is a real weak spring, if you look close in these 
> pictures you will see it. It is a hit and miss and not throttled governed 
> engine. Here are some shots of the governor mechanism:
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover2.jpg
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover3.jpg
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
>
>
>   
>> In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:48:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>
>> is the spring on the flyweights too weak,
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> Not sure how your governor works, but if the spring/springs is between the
>> governor flyweights, put on a weaker spring as this lets the weights 
>> expand
>> quicker thus latching on quicker. General rule of thumb, weaker 
>> springs-slower
>> run, 
>>     
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>   



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 30 12:04:25 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:04:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com><008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<4635F3E2.8060006@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <006301c78b5a$5f8c0d80$240110ac@FAMILY>

To Curt, Elden, Tom, Russell, and any other that responded to my most recent 
request I want to share with you and all the rest of the SEL group that with 
the help and support I got from everyone the Ole Stover Live's Again after 
all of these years of not running. She is still in her underwear (primer) 
but today was the day that it all came together and it runs like a well 
oiled machine. I have a short (1) minute video for all to see, I have her 
running just a little fast to break her in but if I back off on the speed 
control nut she really slows down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoGgw2aWXo

Thanks everyone for without you I would have never made it. Now I will get 
the new cart made and get her painted and ready to go.

Grateful for friends like you,

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> Paul,
> Have looked over the photos. I'm guessing you want to run this engine a
> bit slower than nameplate, as most of us do this for the show scene.
> Is the spring you mentioned and pictured not for trimming the speed? Are
> there not a pair of (or single) other springs actually working on the
> flyweights in the cam gear?
>
> I ALWAYS assure the latchout mechanism works FIRST before ever adding
> the first bit of fuel to an engine. You can block or hold the intake
> valve open to assure the engine freewheels. With the right springs
> working on the weights, you should be able to rotate the flywheels fast
> enough to observe the latchout engage. Then as you watch it freewheel,
> it will slow, and then the latchout will drop out, allowing the exhaust
> valve to close and follow the cam.
>
> I assume you have checked the basics first, such as making sure the
> detent block will easily fit under the catch with about a 1/32
> clearance? And you've assured the cam follower and its' stud are in good
> condition? A worn cam follower, will diminish lift, and prevent the
> detent block from getting under the latch.
>
> Hey, what are the small set screws on the sides of the main bearing caps
> for? Fore and after positioning of the caps? Did Stover engines come
> with these?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Paul Maples wrote:
>> Thanks Tom,
>>
>> The governor weight spring is a real weak spring, if you look close in 
>> these
>> pictures you will see it. It is a hit and miss and not throttled governed
>> engine. Here are some shots of the governor mechanism:
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover2.jpg
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover3.jpg
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
>>
>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:48:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>>
>>> is the spring on the flyweights too weak,
>>>
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>> Not sure how your governor works, but if the spring/springs is between 
>>> the
>>> governor flyweights, put on a weaker spring as this lets the weights
>>> expand
>>> quicker thus latching on quicker. General rule of thumb, weaker
>>> springs-slower
>>> run,
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Apr 30 12:11:29 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:11:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <20070430.121130.1952.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Way to go Paul. Running like a Swiss watch.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 30 12:24:40 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:24:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <20070430.121130.1952.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c78b5d$33b4e120$240110ac@FAMILY>

Thanks Ron, you had a hand in all of this and I so appreciate you.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> Way to go Paul. Running like a Swiss watch.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Apr 30 13:33:42 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:33:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <006301c78b5a$5f8c0d80$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEALFLAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

Thanks for the video.  Runs nice.

I'm going to add a videos section to my web page once I figger out how to get them TeeVee pitchers onto this 'puter.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 02:04 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
> 
> 
> To Curt, Elden, Tom, Russell, and any other that 
> responded to my most recent 
> request I want to share with you and all the rest 
> of the SEL group that with 
> the help and support I got from everyone the Ole 
> Stover Live's Again after 
> all of these years of not running. She is still 
> in her underwear (primer) 
> but today was the day that it all came together 
> and it runs like a well 
> oiled machine. I have a short (1) minute video 
> for all to see, I have her 
> running just a little fast to break her in but if 
> I back off on the speed 
> control nut she really slows down.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoGgw2aWXo
> 
> Thanks everyone for without you I would have 
> never made it. Now I will get 
> the new cart made and get her painted and ready to go.
> 
> Grateful for friends like you,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
> 
> 
> > Paul,
> > Have looked over the photos. I'm guessing you 
> want to run this engine a
> > bit slower than nameplate, as most of us do 
> this for the show scene.
> > Is the spring you mentioned and pictured not 
> for trimming the speed? Are
> > there not a pair of (or single) other springs 
> actually working on the
> > flyweights in the cam gear?
> >
> > I ALWAYS assure the latchout mechanism works 
> FIRST before ever adding
> > the first bit of fuel to an engine. You can 
> block or hold the intake
> > valve open to assure the engine freewheels. 
> With the right springs
> > working on the weights, you should be able to 
> rotate the flywheels fast
> > enough to observe the latchout engage. Then as 
> you watch it freewheel,
> > it will slow, and then the latchout will drop 
> out, allowing the exhaust
> > valve to close and follow the cam.
> >
> > I assume you have checked the basics first, 
> such as making sure the
> > detent block will easily fit under the catch 
> with about a 1/32
> > clearance? And you've assured the cam follower 
> and its' stud are in good
> > condition? A worn cam follower, will diminish 
> lift, and prevent the
> > detent block from getting under the latch.
> >
> > Hey, what are the small set screws on the sides 
> of the main bearing caps
> > for? Fore and after positioning of the caps? 
> Did Stover engines come
> > with these?
> > Curt Holland
> > Gastonia, NC
> >
> > Paul Maples wrote:
> >> Thanks Tom,
> >>
> >> The governor weight spring is a real weak 
> spring, if you look close in 
> >> these
> >> pictures you will see it. It is a hit and miss 
> and not throttled governed
> >> engine. Here are some shots of the governor mechanism:
> >>
> >> 
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover2.jpg
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover3.jpg
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
>>
>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:48:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>>
>>> is the spring on the flyweights too weak,
>>>
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>> Not sure how your governor works, but if the spring/springs is between 
>>> the
>>> governor flyweights, put on a weaker spring as this lets the weights
>>> expand
>>> quicker thus latching on quicker. General rule of thumb, weaker
>>> springs-slower
>>> run,
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>
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> 


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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 30 12:40:48 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:40:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEALFLAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c78b5f$74cf5fd0$240110ac@FAMILY>

Elden you figuring out how to put the TV pictures on your puter would be 
about as challenging to you as you trying to learn to drive.

I appreciate all of your help my friend,

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> Paul:
>
> Thanks for the video.  Runs nice.
>
> I'm going to add a videos section to my web page once I figger out how to 
> get them TeeVee pitchers onto this 'puter.
>




From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 30 12:45:39 2007
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:45:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <00a701c78b5f$74cf5fd0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <008401c78b60$22732040$e869c240@OFFICELEW>

How do you put camcorder images up like that?  Several times I've
thought this would be neat to do but have no idea how?

Lew Best near Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Maples
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help

Elden you figuring out how to put the TV pictures on your puter would be

about as challenging to you as you trying to learn to drive.

I appreciate all of your help my friend,

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> Paul:
>
> Thanks for the video.  Runs nice.
>
> I'm going to add a videos section to my web page once I figger out how
to 
> get them TeeVee pitchers onto this 'puter.
>


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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Apr 30 12:52:53 2007
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:52:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <006301c78b5a$5f8c0d80$240110ac@FAMILY>
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com><008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>	<4635F3E2.8060006@imc-group.com>
	<006301c78b5a$5f8c0d80$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <46364915.8080909@imc-group.com>

Paul,
There is very little us fellers like better than seeing a fresh gal in 
her underwear, but do tell us what you finally found was the problem 
with her running away?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:
> To Curt, Elden, Tom, Russell, and any other that responded to my most recent 
> request I want to share with you and all the rest of the SEL group that with 
> the help and support I got from everyone the Ole Stover Live's Again after 
> all of these years of not running. She is still in her underwear (primer) 
> but today was the day that it all came together and it runs like a well 
> oiled machine. I have a short (1) minute video for all to see, I have her 
> running just a little fast to break her in but if I back off on the speed 
> control nut she really slows down.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoGgw2aWXo
>
> Thanks everyone for without you I would have never made it. Now I will get 
> the new cart made and get her painted and ready to go.
>
> Grateful for friends like you,
>
>   



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 30 13:12:48 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:12:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <cec.ee9eb88.3365f3e5@aol.com><008f01c78ab1$6c59afd0$240110ac@FAMILY>	<4635F3E2.8060006@imc-group.com><006301c78b5a$5f8c0d80$240110ac@FAMILY>
	<46364915.8080909@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c78b63$edd0b650$240110ac@FAMILY>

Sorry Curt for leaving that out. It was the speed control spring adjustment, 
the one the arrow is pointing to in this picture:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/Stover1A.jpg

When I put this part of the engine back together I did not pay special 
attention to this adjustment and had the brass knurl nut screwed out to far 
which was putting too much pressure on the governor yoke and not letting the 
detent latch up. I went back and looked at my "Before" pictures and saw how 
the spring and nut was adjusted and set it according to the picture and 
started the engine and it ran perfect. I want to add that I did this after I 
got all of the input from the guys on the SEL as well as I got a message 
from a good Stover friend of mine, John Ames, and he told me his Stover done 
the same thing when he first started it and it was this spring.

Also Curt you asked what those screws were for on the main bearings. Once 
you get the main bearings tightened down these are lock screws to keep the 
main bearing bolts from working loose.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> Paul,
> There is very little us fellers like better than seeing a fresh gal in
> her underwear, but do tell us what you finally found was the problem
> with her running away?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 30 13:19:46 2007
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:19:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <008401c78b60$22732040$e869c240@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <00c001c78b64$e63ebc10$240110ac@FAMILY>

Lew I have a little Kodak EasyShare C330 camera and it will take short 
movies. I went out and took the one minute movie of it running and then came 
in and went to Google and typed in "You Tube" and got the YouTube.com site 
and clicked on it. It is free, just register and then it will tell you how 
to put a movie on your own YouTube site. If you have trouble just give me a 
holler and I, are some of the other folks, will happily walk you through the 
process.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lew Best" <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


> How do you put camcorder images up like that?  Several times I've
> thought this would be neat to do but have no idea how?
>
> Lew Best near Waco, TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Maples
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:41 PM




From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Apr 30 06:28:35 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:28:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sattley Montgomery Wards Info wanted
In-Reply-To: <374995.37970.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070429230633.02f22a90@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<374995.37970.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070430092037.0343f1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Ron,
  Thanks for the shout back. Could you email him directly? 
at   lastchanceranch at gvni.com  No need to get a middle man in the way here, 
He's not on the list. What would probably be most helpfull to him would be 
a couple pictures of the proper gov & carb set up. I gave him some general 
pointers that got it running but some of the details as to whats correct I 
don't know as I've never played with one of these 
engines.            Thanks,   Mark


At 08:32 AM 4/30/07, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>   don't know how much help I can be but I got one and it runs.
>   Ask away.
>   Ron
>
>Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
>   If anyone has a 1 1/2 Sattley Montgomery Wards Could you email "dave
>hutchens"
>He has one that he has some questions about the carb and gov set up which I
>am not real familiar with. He has it running but he's not sure its set up
>right. Thanks, Mark

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 30 13:26:54 2007
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:26:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <00c001c78b64$e63ebc10$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <009801c78b65$e6b248f0$e869c240@OFFICELEW>

Ok thanx!  I think my canon has movie capabilities; I'll try it.

Lew


-----Original Message-----

 Lew I have a little Kodak EasyShare C330 camera and it will take short 
movies. I went out and took the one minute movie of it running and then
came 
in and went to Google and typed in "You Tube" and got the YouTube.com
site 
and clicked on it. It is free, just register and then it will tell you
how 
to put a movie on your own YouTube site. If you have trouble just give
me a 
holler and I, are some of the other folks, will happily walk you through
the 
process.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 


> How do you put camcorder images up like that?  Several times I've
> thought this would be neat to do but have no idea how?
>
> Lew Best near Waco, TX
>
 

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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 30 13:46:22 2007
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sattley Montgomery Wards Info wanted
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070430092037.0343f1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <887884.40275.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

OK Mark , I contact him probably tomorrow.
  Ron

Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
  Hi Ron,
Thanks for the shout back. Could you email him directly? 
at lastchanceranch at gvni.com No need to get a middle man in the way here, 
He's not on the list. What would probably be most helpfull to him would be 
a couple pictures of the proper gov & carb set up. I gave him some general 
pointers that got it running but some of the details as to whats correct I 
don't know as I've never played with one of these 
engines. Thanks, Mark


At 08:32 AM 4/30/07, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
> don't know how much help I can be but I got one and it runs.
> Ask away.
> Ron
>
>Mark Shulaw wrote:
> If anyone has a 1 1/2 Sattley Montgomery Wards Could you email "dave
>hutchens"
>He has one that he has some questions about the carb and gov set up which I
>am not real familiar with. He has it running but he's not sure its set up
>right. Thanks, Mark

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark


_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



  Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex 
    http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
  " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
   


       
---------------------------------
Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
 Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Apr 30 14:23:23 2007
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:23:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sattley Montgomery Wards Info wanted
In-Reply-To: <887884.40275.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070430092037.0343f1c0@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<887884.40275.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070430172254.02f1d4b0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Much appreciated Ron, Thank You,  Mark


At 04:46 PM 4/30/07, you wrote:
>OK Mark , I contact him probably tomorrow.
>   Ron
>
>Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
>   Hi Ron,
>Thanks for the shout back. Could you email him directly?
>at lastchanceranch at gvni.com No need to get a middle man in the way here,
>He's not on the list. What would probably be most helpfull to him would be
>a couple pictures of the proper gov & carb set up. I gave him some general
>pointers that got it running but some of the details as to whats correct I
>don't know as I've never played with one of these
>engines. Thanks, Mark
>
>
>At 08:32 AM 4/30/07, you wrote:
> >Hi Mark,
> > don't know how much help I can be but I got one and it runs.
> > Ask away.
> > Ron
> >
> >Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > If anyone has a 1 1/2 Sattley Montgomery Wards Could you email "dave
> >hutchens"
> >He has one that he has some questions about the carb and gov set up which I
> >am not real familiar with. He has it running but he's not sure its set up
> >right. Thanks, Mark
>
>Mark & Christine Shulaw
>454 Co. Rd. 33
>Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
>Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
>Parts lists available on request.
>
>Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
>Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone
>you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if
>possible.
>I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent
>them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
>hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>   Ron Frost
>Kersey, PA
>  http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex
>     http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
>   " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>  Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Apr 29 17:00:33 2007
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:00:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
References: <4631570D.20905@atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20070427093422.04ec15e0@mail.alltel.net>
	<46321559.1070109@imc-group.com>
	<028701c7891b$fed5df60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <002001c78aba$92e04570$336d4b47@mikecomp>

Dallas and Linda are alive and well at the Reidsville show this weekend.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?


> What Happened to Dallas?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "Oil Field Engine Society mailing list"
> <ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: "SEL (Oldengine.org)" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 1:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] [OFES] Ball Oilfield engine - Now what do I do with it?
>
>
>> Spencer,
>> You need to meet Dallas Cox and his buddy Brose Easterly (sp?). They are
>> in the High Point area. Dallas used to be on the SEL.
>> They have several OF engines and can lend you a hand.
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>>
>> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>> Hi Spencer,
>>>          Let's take this One step at a time. First, how much compression
>>> do
>>> you have? Try to pull it through and see if you can. If it's pretty 
>>> easy,
>>> but you can tell that there is a bit of compression, then oil the hell
>>> out
>>> of the rings and try it again. Let us know what happens in this first
>>> step.
>>>          Dave
>>>
>>> At 08:51 PM 4/26/2007, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good news:  I have one Ball oilfield engine on the ground, and it 
>>>> should
>>>> run.
>>>>
>>>> Bad news:  I don't know how to make it run )-;
>>>>
>>>> Check out Dave's link to refer to the engine while looking at these
>>>> questions:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Spencers_Ball_Engine/index.html
>>>>
>>>> How do I hook fuel this thing up?   I presume it is a 2 cycle - similar
>>>> to a Bessemer where the back end of the cylinder is the charge cylinder
>>>> and then the power stroke charges the combustion chamber.  It is a hot
>>>> tube ignition (though there is an eccentric for a magneto and spark 
>>>> plug
>>>> on the base of the hot tube so I know it use to run on a mag at some
>>>> time) and the hot tube is in good shape considering.  The hot tube is 
>>>> at
>>>> least operational I feel.  The engine is 25HP.  It is solely controlled
>>>> by a gate valve on the gas supply line  as best I can tell.
>>>>
>>>> I understand most folks use a 100 pound propane tank.  While testing 
>>>> the
>>>> engine, can I use a 25 pound tank of propane though?
>>>> Will I need an accumulator?
>>>> Any safety tips or special adapters/fittings I need to know about?
>>>> I have an oil tree and an oiler (Thanks Dave ad Brice - pay you back at
>>>> Portland).  However, I need that little wick/screen that hangs from the
>>>> bottom for the connecting rod cup to hit .  I need the cup for the
>>>> connecting rod too.
>>>> Any tips for checking this engine thoroughly?
>>>> How do I actually spin it to start it?   I remember seeing some folks
>>>> use the "bump in the wrong direction trick", but I didn't watch close
>>>> enough to understand it.   I also would like to learn to start on air 
>>>> (I
>>>> have air available here at the shop).  However, since I am a real man, 
>>>> I
>>>> will hand start it the first time - at least until I get tired (-;
>>>>
>>>> So many questions, so little time.   As for what I have done so far:
>>>> I have got it off the ground and off the flywheels.   I need to 
>>>> continue
>>>> raising it and cribbing it so I can replace the skids.  I am working on
>>>> locating some affordable oak skids.   I fortunately have a friend that
>>>> runs a sawmill and I can usually get wood cheap or can do some log
>>>> trading.  I am in the process of dropping off my pine logs as trading
>>>> stock.  I'll let everyone know how many big pines it takes to buy a big
>>>> oak.  I also have it tarp-ed as I believe the original paint is in good
>>>> shape.  I'll need to clean it carefully to be sure, but everyone at the
>>>> "rescue" believed only the paint on the flywheels and the head was
>>>> shot.   The rest is intact but coated in grime and dirt.  I'll be
>>>> carefully cleaning it over the next few months too, trying to retain as
>>>> much of the original finish as possible.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any help, advice and discussion!
>>>>
>>>> Spencer
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Apr 30 18:12:58 2007
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:12:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <00a701c78b5f$74cf5fd0$240110ac@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEBBFLAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Hey, Paul:

I flunked my first driving test.  Couldn't make the horse back-up!

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 02:41 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
> 
> 
> Elden you figuring out how to put the TV pictures 
> on your puter would be 
> about as challenging to you as you trying to 
> learn to drive.
> 
> I appreciate all of your help my friend,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
> 
> 
> > Paul:
> >
> > Thanks for the video.  Runs nice.
> >
> > I'm going to add a videos section to my web 
> page once I figger out how to 
> > get them TeeVee pitchers onto this 'puter.




From BillMil357 at aol.com  Mon Apr 30 17:39:33 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:39:33 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <cbc.10f2f022.3367e645@aol.com>

Hi Paul,
 
I am proud you got your engine running, I am going to have to get over  there 
and see it one of these days, I still have not been able to get my  
Grandson's Maytag started (watch the comments Dave) I think he is a little  
disappointed in me, I would sure like to hear it Purr.
 
See'ya, Bill Miller 



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Apr 30 19:09:15 2007
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:09:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
References: <cbc.10f2f022.3367e645@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c78b95$d0aff950$6500a8c0@home>

Bill;
    You need the Maytag I have , purchased it at an auction , its a 92 side 
exhaust all original , only thing I did to it is put gas mix in it and 
cleaned off some of the grease and a couple of kicks  started it the first 
time , Now my 4 year old Grandson can start it with one kick ,  I'm not 
going to paint or restore it , its a true unrestored piece of history.
Question =  I'm trying to get my 1-1/2 Hp Simplicity running on buzz coil , 
Having trouble with the timing , What would be a good timing degree to start 
with ? I always thought about 4 degrees BDC am I correct ?

Rex Hinz


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help


  I still have not been able to get my
> Grandson's Maytag started (watch the comments Dave) I think he is a little
> disappointed in me, I would sure like to hear it Purr.
>
> See'ya, Bill Miller
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Mon Apr 30 20:01:23 2007
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:01:23 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <cc2.e7fbd9f.33680783@aol.com>

Hi Rex,
 
That is a good find on your Maytag, maybe I can get mine starting like that  
soon. Rex I am sorry but I can't help on your Simplicity, I have never worked 
on  one of them, maybe someone else will chime in soon and help you out.
 
Thanks, Bill Miller



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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Apr 30 20:06:11 2007
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:06:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Starting Stover - Need Help
Message-ID: <20070430.200611.1952.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Hi Rex.
The generic timing for flywheel engines is:  exhaust valve should start
to open 35-45? before bottom dead center, and close 5? after top dead
center.  Spark should occur 5-7? before top dead center for each 100
revolutions per minute.  With the greater number being used for low
tension ignition and the smaller used for high tension ignition.
Void where prohibited or taxed, your mileage may vary.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:09:15 -0500 "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
writes:
> Bill;
>     You need the Maytag I have , purchased it at an auction , its a 
> 92 side 
> exhaust all original , only thing I did to it is put gas mix in it 
> and 
> cleaned off some of the grease and a couple of kicks  started it the 
> first 
> time , Now my 4 year old Grandson can start it with one kick ,  I'm 
> not 
> going to paint or restore it , its a true unrestored piece of 
> history.
> Question =  I'm trying to get my 1-1/2 Hp Simplicity running on buzz 
> coil , 
> Having trouble with the timing , What would be a good timing degree 
> to start 
> with ? I always thought about 4 degrees BDC am I correct ?
> 
> Rex Hinz
>