Hi Bill, YES - I was wondering if it were the same Steve Irwin. Thanks, for the link. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " A diplomat is someone who can disagree (_o_) without being disagreeable".