Hi Carl, That's the guy I was looking for. THANKS!! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Carl Carlsen wrote: > I've never been to one of those shows, but at NAMES a couple of years > ago, I bought a "flame engine" from Nick Rowland .... he has several > 'variations' of the basic engine. > > http://www.rowland.20megsfree.com/