Hi Bill, Sorry I can't help ya. But - I admire your position on plastic crap. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_)