From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Nov 1 03:16:36 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:16:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found Message-ID: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Just to bring everyone up to date who tried to help with my dead mouse delima in the wifes Toyota. Last night after tearing out the glove box I discovered the internal air filter compartment. After some difficulty in even removing the cover due to the very extensive packing material jamed in and around the paper filter (what was left of it) there was the was the damn nest made up of just about every known and unknown bits of material. Found five dead mice in the nest. Poor buggers had died since I killed the mom several nights ago. After inspecting with a mirror and bright light discovered one of the little beggers had stuck between the plastic fins of the squirrel cage fan of the blower and was rotting to high heaven. As yet I am not able to totall remove the fan and motor assemble so looking for some sort deoderant to mask the smell other then skunk piss (Arnie your no help as usual!). I am trying to avoid tearing all the wiring harness and half the underside of the dash board out to get that fan unit out for better cleaning. Thanks to all who gave good suggestions. Curt From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Nov 1 06:55:15 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 06:55:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Message-ID: <20061101115522.2E2A91D7307@md3.pennswoods.net> Hi i have a problem. My dig camera was sitting on the counter and i sit down a cup of coffee that real sweet stuf from the coffee shop. Right i spilled it and some got on my camera and i did not know it. now i can' move the on off switch. HELP any and all suggestions R Fink PA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 05:14:51 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:14:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another mailbox Picture Message-ID: <003101c6fdb7$b7432030$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok gang Jim Tremble sent in another picture of a mailbox he found in his area: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/JimTrembleMailbox2.jpg Paul From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 1 05:36:59 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 05:36:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Another mailbox Picture In-Reply-To: <003101c6fdb7$b7432030$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <20061101133659.18289.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Now I like that one. A lot of work went into it. Ron Paul Maples wrote: Ok gang Jim Tremble sent in another picture of a mailbox he found in his area: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/JimTrembleMailbox2.jpg Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates. From shop at cccomm.net Wed Nov 1 06:00:25 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 06:00:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found References: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <03bd01c6fdbe$14ba3900$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Pinesol , or else squirt gas and light a match......... Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:16 AM Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found > Just to bring everyone up to date who tried to help with my dead mouse > delima > in the wifes Toyota. Last night after tearing out the glove box I > discovered > the internal air filter compartment. After some difficulty in even > removing > the cover due to the very extensive packing material jamed in and around > the > paper filter (what was left of it) there was the was the damn nest made up > of > just about every known and unknown bits of material. Found five dead mice > in > the nest. Poor buggers had died since I killed the mom several nights > ago. > After inspecting with a mirror and bright light discovered one of the > little > beggers had stuck between the plastic fins of the squirrel cage fan of the > blower and was rotting to high heaven. As yet I am not able to totall > remove > the fan and motor assemble so looking for some sort deoderant to mask the > smell other then skunk piss (Arnie your no help as usual!). I am trying > to > avoid tearing all the wiring harness and half the underside of the dash > board > out to get that fan unit out for better cleaning. > Thanks to all who gave good suggestions. > Curt > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 1 05:47:05 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 08:47:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Very OT but need help In-Reply-To: <009501c6fd3e$7812b750$76f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061031085045.03acdf10@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20061031164453.03ae23f8@mail.alltel.net> <009501c6fd3e$7812b750$76f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: G'day Peter, Hmmmm, have you looked into the long-term effects of prolonged exposure on your mind and other bodily systems? Speaking personally, I don't think I'd be too keen on sniffing Raid the entire time I was at home. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethrum OTOH it may explain a lot... See ya, Arnie On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, peter ogborne wrote: > I have > installed in my house a device called a KONK. They originate from Canada and > consist of a small wall mounted electronic unit that contains either a > deodoriser or Pyrethrum spray can.The latter can contents stops flys etc > entering the house. The electronics powered by a 9v battery produce a puff > of whatever can you have in ,every 7 and a half minutes. From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Wed Nov 1 06:35:08 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 08:35:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT References: <20061101115522.2E2A91D7307@md3.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <001f01c6fdc2$f4691d10$9be6b748@mycomputer> Leave the camera near some ants..they will remove every trace of sugar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: [SEL] OT > Hi i have a problem. My dig camera was sitting on the counter and i > sit down a cup of coffee that real sweet stuf from the coffee shop. > Right i spilled it and some got on my camera and i did not know it. > now i can' move the on off switch. HELP any and all suggestions > R Fink > PA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Nov 1 06:36:53 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:36:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT In-Reply-To: <20061101115522.2E2A91D7307@md3.pennswoods.net> References: <20061101115522.2E2A91D7307@md3.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061101093227.02f23a10@pop3.wcoil.com> Rubbing alcohol, soak the switch area with just a few drops at a time till it comes free. Use just enough so that theres enough to dab up. The coffee stuff will mix into the alcohol and slowly float out. Theres some fancy spray cleaners you can buy from the camera repair shops too. TTYL, Mark At 09:55 AM 11/1/06, you wrote: >Hi i have a problem. My dig camera was sitting on the counter and i sit >down a cup of coffee that real sweet stuf from the coffee shop. Right i >spilled it and some got on my camera and i did not know it. now i can' >move the on off switch. HELP any and all suggestions >R Fink >PA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Nov 1 06:42:52 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:42:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found In-Reply-To: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: > discovered one of the little > beggers had stuck between the plastic fins of the squirrel cage fan of > the > blower and was rotting to high heaven. As yet I am not able to totall > remove > the fan and motor assemble Run the fan backward? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Nov 1 06:45:41 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:45:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found Message-ID: <110120061445.17041.4548B315000453DD00004291219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Gee Dave might try the pinesol....but don't think our insurance covers suspected arson! thanks, Curt > Pinesol , or else squirt gas and light a match......... > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL Lists" > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:16 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found > > > > Just to bring everyone up to date who tried to help with my dead mouse > > delima > > in the wifes Toyota. Last night after tearing out the glove box I > > discovered > > the internal air filter compartment. After some difficulty in even > > removing > > the cover due to the very extensive packing material jamed in and around > > the > > paper filter (what was left of it) there was the was the damn nest made up > > of > > just about every known and unknown bits of material. Found five dead mice > > in > > the nest. Poor buggers had died since I killed the mom several nights > > ago. > > After inspecting with a mirror and bright light discovered one of the > > little > > beggers had stuck between the plastic fins of the squirrel cage fan of the > > blower and was rotting to high heaven. As yet I am not able to totall > > remove > > the fan and motor assemble so looking for some sort deoderant to mask the > > smell other then skunk piss (Arnie your no help as usual!). I am trying > > to > > avoid tearing all the wiring harness and half the underside of the dash > > board > > out to get that fan unit out for better cleaning. > > Thanks to all who gave good suggestions. > > Curt > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 1 06:10:15 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:10:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found In-Reply-To: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Accelerant + Torch = $$$ + Jag + Mouse Flambe Glad to be of help. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Find that missing engine crate yet? On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Just to bring everyone up to date who tried to help with my dead mouse delima > in the wifes Toyota. Last night after tearing out the glove box I discovered > the internal air filter compartment. After some difficulty in even removing > the cover due to the very extensive packing material jamed in and around the > paper filter (what was left of it) there was the was the damn nest made up of > just about every known and unknown bits of material. Found five dead mice in > the nest. Poor buggers had died since I killed the mom several nights ago. > After inspecting with a mirror and bright light discovered one of the little > beggers had stuck between the plastic fins of the squirrel cage fan of the > blower and was rotting to high heaven. As yet I am not able to totall remove > the fan and motor assemble so looking for some sort deoderant to mask the > smell other then skunk piss (Arnie your no help as usual!). I am trying to > avoid tearing all the wiring harness and half the underside of the dash board > out to get that fan unit out for better cleaning. > Thanks to all who gave good suggestions. From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Nov 1 06:57:48 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:57:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual Message-ID: <110120061457.28170.4548B5EC000027D100006E0A219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Jimmy, Watch post box as just sent your manual, actually made you two one to keep clean and the other use in the shop if need be. I do have a large assortment of other engine literature so if there is any thing else I can help you with just give me a call. thanks again, Curt > Hi Curt , Thanks for your time and effort. The funds are in the mailbox. > Please let me know if it arrives so I know it didn't go to "Mail Heaven." > Jimmy > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:44 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > Jim, > When you have time send me a check for $10.00 to cover reproduction and > mailing costs for a copy to me at: > Curt Andree > 6419 Basswood Road > McConnell, Illinois 61050 > > > > Hi Curt,I'd like one.Please send an address so I can pay you. Thanks in > > advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, 20 Sunnyhill Rd. Novato,Ca. 94945 ,415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > cgandree at mchsi.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:08 AM > > To: Old eng list; SEL Lists > > Subject: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > > > Yesterday I picked up an orginal manual for a Temple Pump Co. Engine. It > > covers basic setup and adjustments for 2 thru 25hp engines. Has some good > > diagrams,etc. Be happy to duplicate copies for anyone having such an > > engine. > > Please contact me. > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Nov 1 07:58:46 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:58:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found References: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000601c6fdce$9e4bdce0$6383fb40@HP28276676518> Curt, I don't know if this will help or not, but I have had the same problem on a repeated basis in a '99 Toyota Camry. By positioning myself with my head under the dash and legs and feet over the back of the front seat I could get to the blower housing. Three to five screws held the fan and motor in place. With a flexible shaft screw driver type tool with the properly sized socket on the end, removal of the fan was fairly easy. I eventually got enough practice that I could remove, clean and replace the fan in about 15 to 20 min. Good Luck, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:16 AM Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found > Just to bring everyone up to date who tried to help with my dead mouse > delima > in the wifes Toyota. Last night after tearing out the glove box I > discovered > the internal air filter compartment. After some difficulty in even > removing > the cover due to the very extensive packing material jamed in and around > the > paper filter (what was left of it) there was the was the damn nest made up > of > just about every known and unknown bits of material. Found five dead mice > in > the nest. Poor buggers had died since I killed the mom several nights > ago. > After inspecting with a mirror and bright light discovered one of the > little > beggers had stuck between the plastic fins of the squirrel cage fan of the > blower and was rotting to high heaven. As yet I am not able to totall > remove > the fan and motor assemble so looking for some sort deoderant to mask the > smell other then skunk piss (Arnie your no help as usual!). I am trying > to > avoid tearing all the wiring harness and half the underside of the dash > board > out to get that fan unit out for better cleaning. > Thanks to all who gave good suggestions. > Curt > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.20/508 - Release Date: > 10/31/2006 11:30 AM > > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 1 06:34:19 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:34:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Mailbox Picture Message-ID: <20061101.095307.1368.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Paul, Hey - - - That's different - Never thought of using a Briggs. Are you making an album of all the pics you get ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ Remember when TV bloopers were a rare mistake - (_o_) not the entire show? From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 1 06:52:58 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:52:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Message-ID: <20061101.095307.1368.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rich, Sorry to hear that you spilled coffee on your camera. It can't be that bad. I would try dabbing the switch with a damp sponge to delete the sticky stuff and "work" the switch. For all around cleaning, I use something called "Mean Green" or "Awsome" from the Dollar Store. Pretty good stuff. If you DO happen to take the camera apart, watch the capacitor for the flash. They hold quite a bit of electricity. I've been hit several times and things go flying. Would rather hold a spark wire. Good luck in whatever you do. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ Remember when TV bloopers were a rare mistake - (_o_) not the entire show? From edurand at iglou.com Wed Nov 1 09:38:45 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:38:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Very OT but need help In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20061031164453.03ae23f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Dave: With a smirk, one word........yeah! :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave > Rotigel > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 03:53 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Very OT but need help > > > At 12:01 PM 10/31/2006, you wrote: > >Dave: > >You must be good friends with a mechanic at the > Jag (Ford) dealer. You > >shoulda bought her a Miata. Lots cheaper, more > sporty and less maintenance. > > 100,000 miles bumper to bumper on the Jag! They > even do the oil changes and > filters--the WHOLE 9 yards. > > >Or are you a snob? :-) > > I've found, over the years, that people who have > money have it because they > are one hell of a lot smarter than those who do > not have as much money. > Does that make me a snob? > > Dave From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Nov 1 10:18:48 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:18:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Very OT but need help1 In-Reply-To: <200611011700.kA1H05e8028032@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20061101201715.038add70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 01/11/2006, you wrote: >Message: 42 >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 08:47:05 -0500 (EST) >From: Arnie Fero >Subject: Re: [SEL] Very OT but need help > >G'day Peter, > > >OTOH it may explain a lot... >See ya, Arnie > Ha ha ha ha ha ha !!! Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 12:06:09 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:06:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Mailbox Picture References: <20061101.095307.1368.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003601c6fdf1$2cb71720$240110ac@FAMILY> Yes Joe, I am placing them all into a PowerPoint Presentation and when I get all of them I will make a Webshots Album for everyone. Meanwhile I will send out to the list everyone I get. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Mailbox Picture > Hi Paul, > > Hey - - - That's different - Never thought of using a Briggs. > > Are you making an album of all the pics you get ? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Nov 1 12:11:46 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:11:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT References: <20061101115522.2E2A91D7307@md3.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <004701c6fdf2$58d317e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Soak it in a bucket of water. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:55 AM Subject: [SEL] OT > Hi i have a problem. My dig camera was sitting on the counter and i > sit down a cup of coffee that real sweet stuf from the coffee shop. > Right i spilled it and some got on my camera and i did not know it. > now i can' move the on off switch. HELP any and all suggestions > R Fink > PA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 14:06:58 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:06:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Engine Mailbox Message-ID: <006c01c6fe02$0d7e2b80$240110ac@FAMILY> James Richard sent in his picture of his Novo Mailbox: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/JamesRichardNovoMailbox.jpg Paul From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Nov 1 14:47:49 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 06:47:49 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Very OT but need help References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061031085045.03acdf10@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20061031164453.03ae23f8@mail.alltel.net><009501c6fd3e$7812b750$76f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <003f01c6fe07$c5268520$d9f930cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hmmmmmmmmm ,as I predicted Moonies ,flat earthers ,Baptists and the like have responded!Long term effects ,well it has only been three days I don't think we can use that excuse yet. However Arnie give it a go ,perhaps it could counter that green glow! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Very OT but need help > G'day Peter, > > Hmmmm, have you looked into the long-term effects of prolonged exposure on > your mind and other bodily systems? Speaking personally, I don't think > I'd be too keen on sniffing Raid the entire time I was at home. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethrum > > OTOH it may explain a lot... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, peter ogborne wrote: > >> I have >> installed in my house a device called a KONK. They originate from Canada >> and >> consist of a small wall mounted electronic unit that contains either a >> deodoriser or Pyrethrum spray can.The latter can contents stops flys etc >> entering the house. The electronics powered by a 9v battery produce a >> puff >> of whatever can you have in ,every 7 and a half minutes. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Nov 1 19:04:24 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:04:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT In-Reply-To: <004701c6fdf2$58d317e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20061101115522.2E2A91D7307@md3.pennswoods.net> <004701c6fdf2$58d317e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <20061102000435.05D031D88A1@md3.pennswoods.net> Hey thanks for all the replys. It will take me a few weeks to try them all. By then i won't want to take any photos. R Fink At 07:11 AM 11/2/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Soak it in a bucket of water. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" > >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:55 AM >Subject: [SEL] OT > > >>Hi i have a problem. My dig camera was sitting on the counter and i >>sit down a cup of coffee that real sweet stuf from the coffee shop. >>Right i spilled it and some got on my camera and i did not know it. >>now i can' move the on off switch. HELP any and all suggestions >>R Fink >>PA >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Wed Nov 1 16:13:35 2006 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:13:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case 320 backhoe with a spun bearing available In-Reply-To: <03bd01c6fdbe$14ba3900$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: I know this is a stationary list and not a tractor list but my boss has a Case 320 backhoe that he has had for years, built his house with etc...... then it spun a bearing and he is looking to get rid of it. He was talking with a scrap man - so he is serious. I'd rather see it go to someone who may use parts or make it run again. I have pictures - if you email me, I'll email you 3 jpegs. It is Rusty - Very Rusty. It does have a new hydraulic pump that my boss mounted on it not long ago. Glenn Wilson From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Wed Nov 1 17:00:11 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:00:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Case 320 backhoe with a spun bearing available References: Message-ID: <000d01c6fe1a$40aecc40$1b0b5a04@notebook> where is it located? Lew near Waco, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Case 320 backhoe with a spun bearing available > I know this is a stationary list and not a tractor list but my boss has a > Case 320 backhoe that he > has had for years, built his house with etc...... then it spun a bearing and > he is looking to get rid > of it. He was talking with a scrap man - so he is serious. I'd rather see it > go to someone who > may use parts or make it run again. > > I have pictures - if you email me, I'll email you 3 jpegs. > > It is Rusty - Very Rusty. It does have a new hydraulic pump that my boss > mounted on it not long ago. > Glenn Wilson > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 18:42:14 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:42:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 1925 Model T Type 25 HP Waterloo Power Plant Message-ID: <003401c6fe28$816ed870$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I just recently made the acquaintenance of an engineman in my area named Duane Hutchinson. He is doing some machine work for me on my Stover Engine. He told me tonight that he has a 1925 Model Type T Waterloo Boy Power Plant for sale. Duane is a professional machinist and he has done a lot of work on restoring this Power Plant but there is still work that remains to be done. He said that the Power Plant is not cheap and ask for serious inquires only. Duane tells me that there were only about 300 of these Power Plants made. Anyone interested in this Power Plant should contact Duane directly at 501-920-3275 after 6:PM Central Standard Time. I am just helping Duane out by letting you folks know about the Power Plant in case anyone should be interested. I hope I have not upset anyone on the List by doing this. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 18:56:04 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:56:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Jim Tremble e-mail address Message-ID: <005701c6fe2a$706979c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Can someone send me Jim Tremble's e-mail address? Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 20:06:43 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:06:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Visit to an Engine Shop Message-ID: <006d01c6fe34$4f578c90$240110ac@FAMILY> Guys I got to go and visit an engineman that lives about 60 miles from me tonight. He is a collector and also a professional machinist. He is working on my piston and rod out of my 1905 Stover. It is not a big shop but every nook and cranny is stuffed with engines, engine related items and machine shop equipment. I ask him if I could take a few pictures and share them with the group and he said "sure" so here are a few, not all, pictures of some of his engines and shop equipment. His name is Duane Hutchinson and he lives just South of Little Rock, Arkansas. http://community.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=555288733&key=gAdESp Paul From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Nov 2 07:59:02 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:59:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wapak Ohio Swap Meet Coming up In-Reply-To: <003401c6fe28$816ed870$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <003401c6fe28$816ed870$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061102105539.02f32e60@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi All, Just wondering who if anyone is planning to get to the Swap at Wapakonetta Ohio Nov 10-11 I plan to be there on the 9th weather permitting. Look me up if you make it. Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 2 10:04:54 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:04:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Wings, Wheels & Rotors Expo Message-ID: <9E6BBE34-786B-4A14-B16C-12C338230E58@rustyiron.com> And ALL the pictures are stills. http://engines.rustyiron.com/losalamitos06 From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 2 12:32:56 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:32:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Wings, Wheels & Rotors Expo In-Reply-To: <9E6BBE34-786B-4A14-B16C-12C338230E58@rustyiron.com> References: <9E6BBE34-786B-4A14-B16C-12C338230E58@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Jeeze, how boring... No movies, no slide shows, no tunes... On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Rob Skinner wrote: > And ALL the pictures are stills. > http://engines.rustyiron.com/losalamitos06 From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Nov 2 14:31:45 2006 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 17:31:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case 320 backhoe with a spun bearing available In-Reply-To: <000d01c6fe1a$40aecc40$1b0b5a04@notebook> Message-ID: Vestal, NY 13850 Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Lew Best Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Case 320 backhoe with a spun bearing available where is it located? Lew near Waco, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Case 320 backhoe with a spun bearing available > I know this is a stationary list and not a tractor list but my boss has a > Case 320 backhoe that he > has had for years, built his house with etc...... then it spun a bearing and > he is looking to get rid > of it. He was talking with a scrap man - so he is serious. I'd rather see it > go to someone who > may use parts or make it run again. > > I have pictures - if you email me, I'll email you 3 jpegs. > > It is Rusty - Very Rusty. It does have a new hydraulic pump that my boss > mounted on it not long ago. > Glenn Wilson > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Fri Nov 3 16:05:42 2006 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:05:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! In-Reply-To: <016301c6e4fa$ff7eba10$05e14044@pengy> Message-ID: <20061104000542.81198.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com> Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 months I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've repeatedly asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were able to cast with no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to get my stuff back. I hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days from Nov 4th to get everything back to me. At the end of that time I'm going to seek legal advice on the matter. Sorry but I don't know any other way to prod you off your ass and down to the posty. I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a private matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get the message. NICK Rick Rowlands wrote: I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will be shipped off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. Rick --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 3 16:34:02 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 18:34:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Jim Tremble's E-mail address Message-ID: <007901c6ffa8$edf1e740$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I need Jim Tremble's e-mail address. Does anyone have it? Thanks, Paul From skipl130 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 3 16:52:45 2006 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:52:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! In-Reply-To: <20061104000542.81198.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061104005245.81468.qmail@web35302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fuller & Johnson wrote: Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 months I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've repeatedly asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were able to cast with no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to get my stuff back. I hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days from Nov 4th to get everything back to me. At the end of that time I'm going to seek legal advice on the matter. Sorry but I don't know any other way to prod you off your ass and down to the posty. I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a private matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get the message. NICK Rick Rowlands wrote: I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will be shipped off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. Rick --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited Try it today. From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net Fri Nov 3 17:32:11 2006 From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:32:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! References: <20061104000542.81198.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006d01c6ffb1$0d1370f0$05e14044@pengy> Now that the foundry is closed I have a full time job trying to make some money to pay off all the debts incurred in the business. My job keeps me busy during the normal business hours and I just don't have the free time to search around for a box to package stuff up to ship, then pack it and take to the post office or even worse a 1/2 hour drive to UPS. Besides that I have to search through all these emails to make sure I don't send someone else's part to the wrong person. I had people sending me pieces to make and they wouldn't put a return address or anyhing in the box so the only way I have to identify a part is to look through a years worth of emails and hopefully find a picture they sent me. Geez there are three packages that have been riding around in my truck for a week. No time to stop by the post office to mail them out. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fuller & Johnson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! > Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you > waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 months > I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've repeatedly > asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were able to cast with > no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to get my stuff back. I > hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days from Nov 4th to get everything > back to me. At the end of that time I'm going to seek legal advice on the > matter. Sorry but I don't know any other way to prod you off your ass and > down to the posty. > > I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a private > matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get the message. > > NICK > > Rick Rowlands wrote: > I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will be > shipped > off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. > > Rick > > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Nov 3 17:50:08 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 12:50:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! References: <20061104000542.81198.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c6ffb1$0d1370f0$05e14044@pengy> Message-ID: <005101c6ffb3$904b2330$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I dont know the reasons behind this sad business but, Rick NEEDS to get it sorted FAST! Already he has some folk angry and their opinion of him will be passed on, with the end result that his reputation will NEVER recover. No matter what the reasons, there is NO excuse for ignoring people that you have their stuff, or have money paid in and the product not delivered in the agreed time. The Bromps episode is a good example of a reputation gone. There are NO winners in this sort of thing. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! > Now that the foundry is closed I have a full time job trying to make some > money to pay off all the debts incurred in the business. My job keeps me > busy during the normal business hours and I just don't have the free time > to search around for a box to package stuff up to ship, then pack it and > take to the post office or even worse a 1/2 hour drive to UPS. Besides > that I have to search through all these emails to make sure I don't send > someone else's part to the wrong person. I had people sending me pieces > to make and they wouldn't put a return address or anyhing in the box so > the only way I have to identify a part is to look through a years worth of > emails and hopefully find a picture they sent me. > > Geez there are three packages that have been riding around in my truck for > a week. No time to stop by the post office to mail them out. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fuller & Johnson" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:05 PM > Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! > > >> Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you >> waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 months >> I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've repeatedly >> asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were able to cast with >> no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to get my stuff back. I >> hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days from Nov 4th to get everything >> back to me. At the end of that time I'm going to seek legal advice on >> the matter. Sorry but I don't know any other way to prod you off your >> ass and down to the posty. >> >> I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a private >> matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get the message. >> >> NICK >> >> Rick Rowlands wrote: >> I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will be >> shipped >> off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. >> >> Rick >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net Fri Nov 3 18:10:50 2006 From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 21:10:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! References: <20061104000542.81198.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com><006d01c6ffb1$0d1370f0$05e14044@pengy> <005101c6ffb3$904b2330$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <008001c6ffb6$733483b0$05e14044@pengy> I'm not ignoring anyone. Its simply a matter of not enough time to do everything. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! >I dont know the reasons behind this sad business but, Rick NEEDS to get it >sorted FAST! > Already he has some folk angry and their opinion of him will be passed on, > with the end result that his reputation will NEVER recover. > No matter what the reasons, there is NO excuse for ignoring people that > you have their stuff, or have money paid in and the product not delivered > in the agreed time. > The Bromps episode is a good example of a reputation gone. > There are NO winners in this sort of thing. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! > > >> Now that the foundry is closed I have a full time job trying to make some >> money to pay off all the debts incurred in the business. My job keeps me >> busy during the normal business hours and I just don't have the free time >> to search around for a box to package stuff up to ship, then pack it and >> take to the post office or even worse a 1/2 hour drive to UPS. Besides >> that I have to search through all these emails to make sure I don't send >> someone else's part to the wrong person. I had people sending me pieces >> to make and they wouldn't put a return address or anyhing in the box so >> the only way I have to identify a part is to look through a years worth >> of emails and hopefully find a picture they sent me. >> >> Geez there are three packages that have been riding around in my truck >> for a week. No time to stop by the post office to mail them out. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fuller & Johnson" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:05 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! >> >> >>> Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you >>> waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 months >>> I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've repeatedly >>> asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were able to cast with >>> no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to get my stuff back. I >>> hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days from Nov 4th to get >>> everything back to me. At the end of that time I'm going to seek legal >>> advice on the matter. Sorry but I don't know any other way to prod you >>> off your ass and down to the posty. >>> >>> I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a >>> private matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get the >>> message. >>> >>> NICK >>> >>> Rick Rowlands wrote: >>> I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will be >>> shipped >>> off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Nov 3 21:28:28 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 13:28:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! References: <20061104000542.81198.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com><006d01c6ffb1$0d1370f0$05e14044@pengy> <005101c6ffb3$904b2330$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001f01c6ffd2$12dbd650$0eb531cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hey Reg ...more fool me ,I gave a magneto to someone 5 years ago still not got it . The TOMM saga continues ,you were spot on in your opinion! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! >I dont know the reasons behind this sad business but, Rick NEEDS to get it >sorted FAST! > Already he has some folk angry and their opinion of him will be passed on, > with the end result that his reputation will NEVER recover. > No matter what the reasons, there is NO excuse for ignoring people that > you have their stuff, or have money paid in and the product not delivered > in the agreed time. > The Bromps episode is a good example of a reputation gone. > There are NO winners in this sort of thing. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! > > >> Now that the foundry is closed I have a full time job trying to make some >> money to pay off all the debts incurred in the business. My job keeps me >> busy during the normal business hours and I just don't have the free time >> to search around for a box to package stuff up to ship, then pack it and >> take to the post office or even worse a 1/2 hour drive to UPS. Besides >> that I have to search through all these emails to make sure I don't send >> someone else's part to the wrong person. I had people sending me pieces >> to make and they wouldn't put a return address or anyhing in the box so >> the only way I have to identify a part is to look through a years worth >> of emails and hopefully find a picture they sent me. >> >> Geez there are three packages that have been riding around in my truck >> for a week. No time to stop by the post office to mail them out. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fuller & Johnson" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:05 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! >> >> >>> Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you >>> waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 months >>> I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've repeatedly >>> asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were able to cast with >>> no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to get my stuff back. I >>> hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days from Nov 4th to get >>> everything back to me. At the end of that time I'm going to seek legal >>> advice on the matter. Sorry but I don't know any other way to prod you >>> off your ass and down to the posty. >>> >>> I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a >>> private matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get the >>> message. >>> >>> NICK >>> >>> Rick Rowlands wrote: >>> I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will be >>> shipped >>> off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Nov 4 07:56:40 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 09:56:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! In-Reply-To: <001f01c6ffd2$12dbd650$0eb531cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <008501c70029$d3884210$aa00a8c0@sheeba> A couple of years back we sold our retail business....... Prior to that, we: *Both had full-time jobs *Owned and operated a full-time retail store that grosses just under 500K annually. *Ran a quilting business from our home, at times putting out up to 30 finished quilts a month. (quilting meaning the customers furnished their quilt tops and backing, I put them on the machine and Barbara quilted them.) *Barbara sewed and quilted samples for the store. Please don't tell me about not having time.......... We got things done and kept our promises........ Now we still do all of the above except no longer have the store. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! Hey Reg ...more fool me ,I gave a magneto to someone 5 years ago still not got it . The TOMM saga continues ,you were spot on in your opinion! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! >I dont know the reasons behind this sad business but, Rick NEEDS to get >it sorted FAST! > Already he has some folk angry and their opinion of him will be passed >on, with the end result that his reputation will NEVER recover. > No matter what the reasons, there is NO excuse for ignoring people >that you have their stuff, or have money paid in and the product not >delivered in the agreed time. > The Bromps episode is a good example of a reputation gone. > There are NO winners in this sort of thing. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! > > >> Now that the foundry is closed I have a full time job trying to make >> some money to pay off all the debts incurred in the business. My job >> keeps me busy during the normal business hours and I just don't have >> the free time to search around for a box to package stuff up to ship, >> then pack it and take to the post office or even worse a 1/2 hour >> drive to UPS. Besides that I have to search through all these emails >> to make sure I don't send someone else's part to the wrong person. I >> had people sending me pieces to make and they wouldn't put a return >> address or anyhing in the box so the only way I have to identify a >> part is to look through a years worth of emails and hopefully find a picture they sent me. >> >> Geez there are three packages that have been riding around in my >> truck for a week. No time to stop by the post office to mail them out. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fuller & Johnson" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:05 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! >> >> >>> Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you >>> waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 >>> months I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've >>> repeatedly asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were >>> able to cast with no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to >>> get my stuff back. I hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days >>> from Nov 4th to get everything back to me. At the end of that time >>> I'm going to seek legal advice on the matter. Sorry but I don't >>> know any other way to prod you off your ass and down to the posty. >>> >>> I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a >>> private matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get >>> the message. >>> >>> NICK >>> >>> Rick Rowlands wrote: >>> I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will >>> be shipped off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 15:43:37 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:43:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Engine Mailbox Picture Message-ID: <000c01c7006b$0ce603d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok gang Nick Rowland sent this picture in: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/NickRowlandMailbox.jpg Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 15:46:37 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:46:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Mailbox Picture (Big) Message-ID: <001301c7006b$788cc2e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Paul Thompson sent this picture in: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/PaulThompsonMailbox.jpg Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 15:55:04 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:55:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! Message-ID: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> Gang we are getting in some nice pictures of folks engine and tractor mailboxes and I hope we get a lot more. Let's expand this thread to include any and all tractor and engine YARD DISPLAYS. Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Nov 4 16:30:58 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 19:30:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! In-Reply-To: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <3027e8b710374f84338f8c556b72345f@chartertn.net> This is from a while back: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/christmasengine.jpg John On Nov 4, 2006, at 6:55 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Gang we are getting in some nice pictures of folks engine and tractor > mailboxes and I hope we get a lot more. Let's expand this thread to > include any and all tractor and engine YARD DISPLAYS. > > Paul John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 16:43:50 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:43:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! References: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> <3027e8b710374f84338f8c556b72345f@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <008301c70073$76acbea0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks John I will add it to the album. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! > This is from a while back: > > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/christmasengine.jpg > > John > > On Nov 4, 2006, at 6:55 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 16:55:23 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:55:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone got a 501 Stover? Message-ID: <009e01c70075$13a1e860$240110ac@FAMILY> I need to talk to anyone who has a 501 Stover or has any literature on this engine. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 16:02:12 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:02:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Yard Display Message-ID: <004c01c7006d$a5823e40$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Gang here is the first picture of a Old Engine Yard Display. This display is owned and displayed by John Ames in Missouri: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/JohnAmesYardDisplay.jpg Paul From billalan at busynet.net Sat Nov 4 20:19:35 2006 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:19:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! In-Reply-To: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <454D6657.2020703@busynet.net> I don't have a picture of it, but at the Girl Scout camp where my daughter went, they used a crankshaft fron an 8 cylinder engine hanging from a chain on a tree for a dinner bell. The striker was a connecting rod, but that turned up missing a while back. It did have a nice ring to it. From the Cheddar Curtain (SE WI) Bill Herreid Paul Maples wrote: >Gang we are getting in some nice pictures of folks engine and tractor mailboxes and I hope we get a lot more. Let's expand this thread to include any and all tractor and engine YARD DISPLAYS. > >Paul > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 21:12:07 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 23:12:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! References: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> <454D6657.2020703@busynet.net> Message-ID: <000e01c70098$f185df60$240110ac@FAMILY> Bill this would have been an interesting picture to see. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Herreid" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! >I don't have a picture of it, but at the Girl Scout camp where my > daughter went, they used a crankshaft fron an 8 cylinder engine hanging > from a chain on a tree for a dinner bell. The striker was a connecting > rod, but that turned up missing a while back. It did have a nice ring > to it. > > From the Cheddar Curtain (SE WI) > Bill Herreid > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 5 03:48:37 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 03:48:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Engine Yard Display In-Reply-To: <004c01c7006d$a5823e40$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <20061105114837.41730.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nothing wrong with that display. Living in north western Pennsylvania we have a few of these still in operation. Ron Paul Maples wrote: Ok Gang here is the first picture of a Old Engine Yard Display. This display is owned and displayed by John Ames in Missouri: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/JohnAmesYardDisplay.jpg Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the new Yahoo.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 5 07:40:07 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 09:40:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display Message-ID: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Gang Tom Germoamer just sent this picture in along with a note that this old tractor/stationary haybaler and yellow 4ft diameter saw blade that is painted with a smiley face is at the entrance to their driveway and has been a driving direction landmark over the years. Tom stated he is really enjoying all of the pictures folks are sending in so keep em coming. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 5 09:12:17 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:12:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display In-Reply-To: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> That link doesn't work, Paul. On Nov 5, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Gang Tom Germoamer just sent this picture in along with a note that > this old tractor/stationary haybaler and yellow 4ft diameter saw blade > that is painted with a smiley face is at the entrance to their > driveway and has been a driving direction landmark over the years. Tom > stated he is really enjoying all of the pictures folks are sending in > so keep em coming. > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 5 09:38:04 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:38:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <005901c70101$26398f50$240110ac@FAMILY> John I just forwarded it to myself and it worked fine. Let's try it again: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display > That link doesn't work, Paul. > > On Nov 5, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Ok Gang Tom Germoamer just sent this picture in along with a note that >> this old tractor/stationary haybaler and yellow 4ft diameter saw blade >> that is painted with a smiley face is at the entrance to their >> driveway and has been a driving direction landmark over the years. Tom >> stated he is really enjoying all of the pictures folks are sending in >> so keep em coming. >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Sun Nov 5 10:02:42 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:02:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display In-Reply-To: <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <200611051802420000.012099C6@smtp.holden1.net> It works ok for me *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 05/11/2006 at 12:12 John Culp wrote: >That link doesn't work, Paul. > >On Nov 5, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Ok Gang Tom Germoamer just sent this picture in along with a note that >> this old tractor/stationary haybaler and yellow 4ft diameter saw blade >> that is painted with a smiley face is at the entrance to their >> driveway and has been a driving direction landmark over the years. Tom >> stated he is really enjoying all of the pictures folks are sending in >> so keep em coming. >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Nick Holden Banbury , UK http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 5 10:07:13 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:07:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY><8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> <200611051802420000.012099C6@smtp.holden1.net> Message-ID: <006001c70105$39425060$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Nick, it must have something to do with John's ISP provider. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Holden" To: Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re[2]: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display > It works ok for me > >>>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg >> >> >>John Culp >>Bristol, Tennessee, USA >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Nick Holden > Banbury , UK > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > _______________________________________________ > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Nov 5 10:08:43 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 18:08:43 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001e01c70105$6f2a35d0$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display > That link doesn't work, Paul. > > On Nov 5, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Ok Gang Tom Germoamer just sent this picture in along with a note that >> this old tractor/stationary haybaler and yellow 4ft diameter saw blade >> that is painted with a smiley face is at the entrance to their >> driveway and has been a driving direction landmark over the years. Tom >> stated he is really enjoying all of the pictures folks are sending in >> so keep em coming. >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA It works OK for me John! Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From nick at holden1.net Sun Nov 5 10:09:35 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:09:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display In-Reply-To: <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <200611051809350875.0126EA79@smtp.holden1.net> It is working hear ok Nick Holden Banbury , UK http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 05/11/2006 at 12:12 John Culp wrote: >That link doesn't work, Paul. > >On Nov 5, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Ok Gang Tom Germoamer just sent this picture in along with a note that >> this old tractor/stationary haybaler and yellow 4ft diameter saw blade >> that is painted with a smiley face is at the entrance to their >> driveway and has been a driving direction landmark over the years. Tom >> stated he is really enjoying all of the pictures folks are sending in >> so keep em coming. >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 5 10:15:37 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:15:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display In-Reply-To: <005901c70101$26398f50$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> <005901c70101$26398f50$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Works now. Came up with a PhotoBucket "Not Found" error message before. John On Nov 5, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > John I just forwarded it to myself and it worked fine. Let's try it > again: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 5 10:45:02 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:45:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY><8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net><005901c70101$26398f50$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <007101c7010a$815a7bc0$240110ac@FAMILY> Good John. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display > Works now. Came up with a PhotoBucket "Not Found" error message before. > > John > > On Nov 5, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> John I just forwarded it to myself and it worked fine. Let's try it >> again: >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 5 11:06:52 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 14:06:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display In-Reply-To: <006001c70105$39425060$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY><8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> <200611051802420000.012099C6@smtp.holden1.net> <006001c70105$39425060$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <866639bd8c683409f047ccf78240ae9e@chartertn.net> No, it was PhotoBucket. As a PhotoBucket user myself, I know they sometimes have problems. I've posted pics on websites and then gotten a flurry of "I can't see it" messages. Then it'd work later with the same link. John On Nov 5, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Thanks Nick, it must have something to do with John's ISP provider. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Nov 5 22:00:13 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:00:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Write up Message-ID: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I dont think a lot of list members know about this site. http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html Dave Croft started it a time back. I feel we need to all update it. Comments? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Nov 5 22:06:28 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:06:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Members pics Message-ID: <013901c70169$e54fbaf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> There are pics of members on these sites. http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/photoalbum.shtml and http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/ It would be good if all of us added to this info data. I find it great to be able to see a pic of each of you. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Nov 6 02:44:40 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:44:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Original International Engine handbook on Oz ebay Message-ID: <454F1218.9070105@steamengine.com.au> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Kerosene-Engine-Instruction-book_W0QQitemZ170046202900QQihZ007QQcategoryZ828QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Someone may be interested. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Nov 6 03:36:23 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:36:23 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Stationary Engine Trophy Message-ID: <20061106141478.SM00996@new.databak.co.za> Hi All, We had our clubs annual prizegiving do yesterday and my daughter won the Stationary Engine trophy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/prize/index.htm This was really a pleasant surprise but the prize is not necessarily awarded to the person with the most rare or expensive engine - more to someone who has done a lot of work and shows enthusiasm for the hobby. It's really great to see some recognition for the younger members and encourages them a lot. (She's already planning her next engine!) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 6 05:08:13 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:08:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Stationary Engine Trophy References: <20061106141478.SM00996@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <001f01c701a4$9e7f36b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Fantastic Jerry, what a way to promote the hobby and getting the younger generation involved. Congratulations to your daughter, great looking engine and a very nice looking lady to enhance the appearance of the engine, I know you are a proud Dad. But what the heck is potijekos?, sounds like something I need to try being a lover of food. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: [SEL] 2006 Stationary Engine Trophy > Hi All, > We had our clubs annual prizegiving do yesterday and my daughter > won the Stationary Engine trophy. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/prize/index.htm > > This was really a pleasant surprise but the prize is not > necessarily awarded to the person with the most rare or expensive engine - > more to someone who has done a lot of work and shows enthusiasm for the > hobby. > It's really great to see some recognition for the younger members > and encourages them a lot. (She's already planning her next engine!) > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 6 06:15:36 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:15:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] East coasters..... Message-ID: <454F4388.6000603@imc-group.com> Gentlemen, May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby to the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and is in Maryland. Wondered what SEL'ers along the route from NC to MD there might be, who would be interested in us dropping in to meet you and see your engine collections. Would likely be one of the next two weekends. It's always good to meet fellow listers. Let me know if this is of interest. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 6 07:11:33 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:11:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Members pics Message-ID: <20061106.102229.624.11.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Reg, I've been looking for those sites. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 6 07:04:14 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:04:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Stationary Engine Trophy Message-ID: <20061106.102229.624.10.jlb94@juno.com> Congrats to Jacqui - and - also to you Jerry. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 6 07:13:49 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:13:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Write up Message-ID: <20061106.102229.624.12.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Reg, I feel ALL these site should be updated from time to time. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From segray at bigvalley.net Mon Nov 6 08:54:13 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:54:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Write up In-Reply-To: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <454F68B5.8050007@bigvalley.net> Mornin' Reg & All - Since I volunteered to take over the SEL member write-ups for Dave a while back, I also agree that these should be updated now and then (my own is a good example!). Having just spoken with Dave this morning about the subject, we both felt it would be a good idea for all those who want to be included in the intros page, to have you post your new/rehab'd intro to the list to let the members get a glimpse of what's new, and I will filter those off, both by hand and by email filter, to a special folder to collect them all. After a sufficient number of updates are collected (and I hopefully get past some of the legalities concerning the contractor who botched up my shop building!), I will start putting some time in on rebuilding the intro page. Strictly as a thought at this point, IF it appears it would work out feasibility wise and preference wise, I might also consider building a matching member photo page and hosting it. If you want to add/update pictures, consider what you would like to see and let me know. I'll pass on the general consensus to the list after a trend develops. **** IF YOU DO POST AN INTRO, please include the term "Intro" in the message Subject to help me catch them as they're posted! **** Any comments on this? - Steve P.S. - For Peter Lowe's S.F.trip, don't forget Peter, there's some of us R&V owners in the general area! ;-) -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com R & M Ingold wrote: > I dont think a lot of list members know about this site. > http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html > Dave Croft started it a time back. > I feel we need to all update it. > Comments? > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Nov 6 09:50:14 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:50:14 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Write up References: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <454F68B5.8050007@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: <002301c701cc$04d03aa0$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Write up > Mornin' Reg & All - > Since I volunteered to take over the SEL member write-ups for Dave a > while back, I also agree that these should be updated now and then (my > own is a good example!). Having just spoken with Dave this morning about > the subject, we both felt it would be a good idea for all those who want > to be included in the intros page, to have you post your new/rehab'd > intro to the list to let the members get a glimpse of what's new, and I > will filter those off, both by hand and by email filter, to a special > folder to collect them all. After a sufficient number of updates are > collected (and I hopefully get past some of the legalities concerning > the contractor who botched up my shop building!), I will start putting > some time in on rebuilding the intro page. Strictly as a thought at this > point, IF it appears it would work out feasibility wise and preference > wise, I might also consider building a matching member photo page and > hosting it. If you want to add/update pictures, consider what you would > like to see and let me know. I'll pass on the general consensus to the > list after a trend develops. > **** IF YOU DO POST AN INTRO, please include the term "Intro" in the > message Subject to help me catch them as they're posted! **** > Any comments on this? > - Steve As Steve has just said I think it is a good idea to post to the list first. That is how it started in the first place about 4 years ago (I think!) The usual winters cabin fever was developing so some genius suggested we posted our histories & details to calm things down. The results were so good that I copied them all & posted them in list form. Unfortunately, much as I would like to repeat it I am not able to do it now. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldengineman at hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 11:43:27 2006 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:43:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] East coasters..... In-Reply-To: <454F4388.6000603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hey Curt, You are welcome to stop in at my place if you get near by. You know where my place is. I should be home both weekends. Pete Stauffer >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL , "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > >CC: "Tyler Ray (Asheville)" >Subject: [SEL] East coasters..... >Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:15:36 -0500 > >Gentlemen, >May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby to >the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and is in >Maryland. Wondered what SEL'ers along the route from NC to MD there might >be, who would be interested in us dropping in to meet you and see your >engine collections. Would likely be one of the next two weekends. It's >always good to meet fellow listers. >Let me know if this is of interest. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From edurand at iglou.com Mon Nov 6 14:15:02 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:15:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Intro In-Reply-To: <002301c701cc$04d03aa0$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: 6 November 2006 I suppose I should finally get around to writing something about myself. As of this date, I'm 64 going on 65. Been married for 34 years. Elaine just barely tolerates my rustaholism. Education: High school then started at Speed Scientific School at the University of Louisville. Three months later, I decided that I didn't need to spend 5 years learning a lot of things I would most likely never use so I quit and got a job. It didn't take me long to get bored with that so, with 'ol Uncle Sam looking over my shoulder, I beat the draft and joined the Air Force. Career: In 1965, after my military service, I got an FCC "First Phone" license and worked at WAKY-AM, WAVE-AM,TV and WHAS-AM,FM,TV. While doing broadcast engineering I started my company, Pewee Valley Industries, Inc. PVI was a one man consultancy that concentrated on electronic circuit design and product development. In 1976, I decided to see if PVI could be made to pay so I quit WHAS and went fulltime with my business. PVI was moderately successful and I kept at it until a couple of years ago when I closed it and retired. Hobby: I've been interested in mechanical things for as long as I can remember. I got my first engine, a 1-1/2 HP dishpan flywheel Fairbanks-Morse in 1950 when I was about nine years old. Our neighbor couldn't get it to run and, after cranking blisters on his hand for a whole day, said that I could have it if I could make it run. Ten minutes later, it was mine. I kept the dishpan for about six years until a friend decided he just had to have it. I really didn't want to part with it but he said he'd trade even a vertical Fairbanks-Morse engine he'd just taken from a loft. I've still got it and you can see it on my webpage below. Just within the last couple of years, I found out that the serial number of my 2 HP Jack of All Trades is 665. This puts the date of manufacture at about 1897, making it one of the earliest Jack of All Trades engines in existence. Fast forward to about 1996. I got my third engine, another Fairbanks-Morse. This one was a basket case ZC-52 which had been abandoned in a western Indiana oilfield when the pumps were electrified. The friend who gave it to me (yes, ANOTHER freebie!) said that either I could take it or he'd scrap it. I took it. Being a junk collector, I also hauled home an old Sears Suburban garden tractor with a bad engine, yup - yet another freebie. One day, I was sitting in the garage looking at the rusty pile of parts engine and the rusty tractor and decided that I needed a way to get the engine around to shows. I mounted the ZC-52 on the tractor and now have one of the world's only Hoyt-Clagwell 54/75 tractors. Elaine and I still own the home and seventeen acres in Kentucky we built during our first year of marriage. We also own a home in Florida on the north shore of Choctawhatchee Bay. At this time, both homes are for sale and, when one of them sells, we plan to move to Mexico Beach, Florida to spend the rest of our lives watching sunsets. Oh, yes - I'll also be dabbling in rust. Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Nov 6 13:44:32 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:44:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Write up References: <20061106.102229.624.12.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c701ec$c6036790$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Yes but, a lot dont even know they are there. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Write up > Hi Reg, > > I feel ALL these site should be updated from time to time. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." > > (_o_) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Mon Nov 6 14:52:27 2006 From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:52:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Write up In-Reply-To: <454F68B5.8050007@bigvalley.net> References: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <454F68B5.8050007@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: <1162853547.2839.25.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com> On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 08:54 -0800, Steve Gray wrote: > Strictly as a thought at this > point, IF it appears it would work out feasibility wise and preference > wise, I might also consider building a matching member photo page and > hosting it. If you want to add/update pictures, consider what you would > like to see and let me know. I'll pass on the general consensus to the > list after a trend develops. You are welcome to continue using the Rogue's List that I maintain: http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people I would like to solicit more pictures from list members. When you take pictures of other rust-aholics, send copies to me so that I can put them on the Rogue's List. I would like to thank Reg for sending several photos recently, they will be on the photo album soon. Pete. -- Pete Alleman pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Lafayette, Louisiana, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Nov 6 14:53:17 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:53:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Stationary Engine Trophy In-Reply-To: <20061106141478.SM00996@new.databak.co.za> References: <20061106141478.SM00996@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <18e7a61b673805f856ca34ab1aa5ef35@chartertn.net> That's terrific, Jerry! :-D John On Nov 6, 2006, at 6:36 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > We had our clubs annual prizegiving do yesterday and my > daughter won the Stationary Engine trophy. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/prize/index.htm John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 6 15:03:39 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:03:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters..... In-Reply-To: <00e201c701e8$2b953e30$6401a8c0@office> References: <454F4388.6000603@imc-group.com> <00e201c701e8$2b953e30$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <454FBF4B.8060605@imc-group.com> John, I know it was on eBay and the auction was over Sunday evening. Sounds like it is the same one. The lucky bidder, Tyler Ray, tells me he is subscribed to the SEL now, and perhaps this is a good time for him to pipe up and tell us a little something about himself. I met him at the Arden show two weekends ago and he's a good fellow. They stopped by our house last evening for a nice visit. Of course we stumbled thru the very dark yard and over to the engine shed to run a few engines by flashlight. Ahh life is good. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. I cc:d this over to the SEL since I don't think Tyler is on oldengine.org yet. Tyler, if you reply, please "reply all" and your post will go to both lists. John Cullom wrote: > Hi Curt, > Is it the Alamo that Ira Barnes had on Ebay? If so, it's not far > from me at all. You all are welcome to stop by here & see my meager > collection. > John > Westminster, Md. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > >> May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby >> to the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and >> is in Maryland. > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon Nov 6 16:55:35 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:55:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] East coasters..... References: <454F4388.6000603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <009501c70207$6fc756f0$d7d04c0c@D48VHZ61> Curt, if you are coming through Durham, maybe you can stop by here if scheduling permits. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Cc: "Tyler Ray (Asheville)" Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [SEL] East coasters..... > Gentlemen, > May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby to > the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and is in > Maryland. Wondered what SEL'ers along the route from NC to MD there might > be, who would be interested in us dropping in to meet you and see your > engine collections. Would likely be one of the next two weekends. It's > always good to meet fellow listers. > Let me know if this is of interest. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net Mon Nov 6 17:07:58 2006 From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:07:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Foundry References: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <009201c70209$2a7bb4e0$3a52bc4c@pengy> Everyone, After a deserved off list ass chewing from a couple of SEL friends I realized that I must stop procrastinating and get things taken care of. I shipped out the castings to Nick Lozzi today and have been boxing up other stuff to go out later in the week to other customers. I need to get this chapter of my life over with and get on with the tasks at hand. I must put my efforts toward restoring the Tod instead of trying to run a business. I can't do both. So after the loose ends with the customers are tied up and the furnace sold to satisfy the outstanding electric bill, I will be finding new homes for the rest of the foundry equipment. There are a couple more debts to be repaid. Rick Rowlands Youngstown, OH From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 17:48:32 2006 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:48:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html Message-ID: >>>I dont think a lot of list members know about this site. http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html Dave Croft started it a time back. I feel we need to all update it. Comments? >>>Reg You're right, old top. The info appears to be about five years old. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Nov 6 17:59:28 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:59:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual In-Reply-To: <110120061457.28170.4548B5EC000027D100006E0A219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20061107015942.5B5E89B431@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Hi Curt, Thanks very much. The copies arrived over the weekend while we were at a swap meet. Thanks again. Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:58 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual Jimmy, Watch post box as just sent your manual, actually made you two one to keep clean and the other use in the shop if need be. I do have a large assortment of other engine literature so if there is any thing else I can help you with just give me a call. thanks again, Curt > Hi Curt , Thanks for your time and effort. The funds are in the mailbox. > Please let me know if it arrives so I know it didn't go to "Mail Heaven." > Jimmy > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:44 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > Jim, > When you have time send me a check for $10.00 to cover reproduction and > mailing costs for a copy to me at: > Curt Andree > 6419 Basswood Road > McConnell, Illinois 61050 > > > > Hi Curt,I'd like one.Please send an address so I can pay you. Thanks in > > advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, 20 Sunnyhill Rd. Novato,Ca. 94945 ,415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > cgandree at mchsi.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:08 AM > > To: Old eng list; SEL Lists > > Subject: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > > > Yesterday I picked up an orginal manual for a Temple Pump Co. Engine. It > > covers basic setup and adjustments for 2 thru 25hp engines. Has some good > > diagrams,etc. Be happy to duplicate copies for anyone having such an > > engine. > > Please contact me. > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Nov 6 18:11:03 2006 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 21:11:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Write Up - update on Glenn Wilson In-Reply-To: <454F68B5.8050007@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: This is Glenn Wilson and my first write-up seems to be about 5 years ago. I'm still into engines but have faded away from them temporarly for a while as my kidneys died, then my dad died. I have since found a woman and have been living with her for 2+ years :) She and I will come to Portland one day. The pain associated with Portland has faded some since I was there last. Some of you know what happened - most probably don't. I may be the only one who ever dropped out of the Oil Field Engine Society. I still have the 15HP half breed that I paid $800 for on eBay and the 22.5HP Bessemer. I still have Skip Landis' 18HP Christensen and my 9HP Economy and several smaller engines. My new lady and I have moved into a house built around 1800. We have been rebuilding it - yes, it has taken time but has been rewarding. I still work for the same company but they have changed their name to Emerson Network Power - Surge Protection where I've been a Sr. Electrical Des. Engineer for 10+ years. Oh, about the kindey, I recieved a transplant May 11, 2006. Although it isn't working perfectly, I've been off dialysis since about June 1, 2006. This is enough of any update for now. Glenn Wilson From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 18:20:15 2006 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:20:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Intro Message-ID: 11/2006 I'm 63, married to Paula for 41 years. We met in the bedroom of the girl next door, but that's another story. We have two kids. Bob is a police officer in Fort Collins, Colorado. He's married to Michelle, who is a stay-at-home mom to our ten and four year old granddaughters. Our daughter, Sarah, is married to Sean. He's a member of the IT staff at the University of Missouri and a recent graduate. Sarah is a pediatrician, in her third year of residency. She and Sean became the parents of yet another granddaughter in February of 2006. I was born and raised in the Kansas City area. In the final semester of my senior year of college in 1966, my friends and neighbors sent me greetings. Spent boot camp at Fort Leonard Wood, MO, AIT at Fort Devens, MA for a year learning the beginnings of cryptology, as well as becoming proficient in "ditties" - then referred to as international Morse Code. Never used it, but was good at it. Spent a bit more than a year in RVN, then five more in Colorado Springs, CO. We moved back to the Kansas City area in 1973. I?ve now forgotten my work history, as the seven-day weekend arrived on St Patrick?s Day of this year. I still have but the one engine, as time, space, and money always seem spoken for prior to hobby time. My engine is the universally reviled F-M dishpan, a 2 HP dual-fuel example. She rides on the original stamped steel skid, which is bolted to the original truck. I "think" it has its original paint, too. I'd like at least one more before I die, a hit and miss. Doesn't matter much which make or style, as long as it putts properly. A nearby farmer who passed away several years ago, had maybe 50 flywheel engines. So far, his heirs will not even discuss the matter 8-(. I exercise the .45 left over from pistol team days, and now and then break out the camera. Oh, and once I hauled a Foos, Mike Tucker's, from Nebraska to Kansas City, just so I could say I'd had an exotic in the truck. I've had the good fortune and pleasure of meeting several list members, including Ted and Jennifer Brookover, Calvin and Dixie Brookover, Tim Christoff, Ray France, George Vaughan, Charley Bryant, and Mark Bookout. Without exception, each has been friendly and helpful. Try to find that in any other hobby! The SEL has been such a fount of information and entertainment. I appreciate the list and all its members immensely. As of May of this year, we have sold nearly all our possessions, and bought a large caravan/5th wheel trailer and a diesel pickup to serve as a tug, Since then, we?ve put 13K miles on the rig, and visited TN, KY, MO, IL, IA, NE, SD, WY, MT, CO, OK, and seen a lot more of KS. We?ll keep doing this until we can?t or tire of it, then find a place to light. Should be able to make more engine shows now! Bruce Younger Somewhere, USA Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Mon Nov 6 19:15:35 2006 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:15:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] East coasters..... In-Reply-To: <454F4388.6000603@imc-group.com> References: <454F4388.6000603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <454FFA57.4010403@zoominternet.net> Curt, If I'd known, I could have brought it on my way to Spartanburg, SC. I'll be passing by Gastonia on my way back to Rising Sun, MD. It's not really that long a drive (sounds worse than it is). What part of MD are you heading to? I'll be driving back to MD on Friday, either leaving at 9 pm on Thursday evening or 3 am Friday morning (want to miss am or pm rush hour at the MD/VA line in DC. We don't collect stationary engines but I'm friends with several persons who have a few. Feel free to look me up if you get near the PA/MD/DE state lines (I live where the three states come together. Ed (my work cell-until Tuesday a.m. 843-822-2645, after Tuesday 443-309-2877) Curt wrote: > Gentlemen, > May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby > to the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and > is in Maryland. Wondered what SEL'ers along the route from NC to MD > there might be, who would be interested in us dropping in to meet you > and see your engine collections. Would likely be one of the next two > weekends. It's always good to meet fellow listers. > Let me know if this is of interest. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Mon Nov 6 19:17:46 2006 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:17:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454FFADA.4060101@zoominternet.net> Dave is the guy who had the bicycle accident and head injury some time back, correct? I've been out of touch, did he survive the ordeal or expire? Ed Bruce Younger wrote: >>>> I dont think a lot of list members know about this site. >>> > http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html > Dave Croft started it a time back. I feel we need to all update it. > Comments? > >>>> Reg >>> > > You're right, old top. The info appears to be about five years old. > > > Bruce Younger > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > Madison, SD > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have > hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything > else thereafter." > E. Hemingway > > _________________________________________________________________ > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day > trial! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 19:39:01 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:39:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Novo fuel pump Message-ID: Hi All, can someone tell me if a 2hp novo fuel pump will fit on a 1 1/2hp cheers Dave _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Looking for a range of presents to suit every budget? Go to www.tradingpost.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etradingpost%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fdefault%2Easpx%3Freferrer%3Dplace2&_t=758874129&_r=emailtagline_nov&_m=EXT From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Nov 6 19:48:46 2006 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 22:48:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Intro Message-ID: 11/06/2006 Well I guess i've never posted anything about me yet so here it is... My name is Andrew Butler, i'm 26 and i've lived in Southeastern Ohio all my life. My dad had a welding shop when I was growing up and that's where I spent all of my time, pretty much covered in grease most of the time... I have I high school education and i've worked at WHIZ AM & FM as a DJ, WWJM in engineering, and currently work at WCLT FM as a DJ part time, NetPlus Communications internet provider full time as a systems admin and also own a water well drilling company that I started a couple years ago and work part time, and if that isn't enough to keep me busy i've done other misc jobs such as electrical wiring in new buildings, furnace repair, and small welding jobs on the side. I'v always had an interest in engines and machinery. There used to be a steam show local that I had to go to every year until it fell apart. My first old engine was a Model B Briggs someone gave to me when I was about 13 which was missing the head and I still have it in running condition. My first flywheel engine was an International LA engine, and the first hit&miss I got was a Jaeger 2HP. To this date the Jaeger is the only engine that i've completely rebuilt and painted and I still have it. I also have a 5HP Field Burndage, an International 1 1/2 M, Cushman Cub and misc small engines. Now I don't have the time to get to these engines, and my real interest in steam has kinda put those on the back burner for now. I have a small steam traction engine that's about a 1/4 scale, and a Farmall F-20 tractor. Some of my other interests are in small foundry work, 2-way radio communications, refrigeration, and alternative fuels- I converted my truck to run on propane and then setup a refilling station. I have quite a wide range of interests, but I think that's the bulk of it. Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Nov 6 19:47:26 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 22:47:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html Message-ID: <410-22006112734726718@coastalnet.com> He hadn't expired up to several hours ago. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Edward Tabor > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 11/6/2006 10:17:52 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html > > Dave is the guy who had the bicycle accident and head injury some time > back, correct? I've been out of touch, did he survive the ordeal or expire? > > Ed From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Nov 6 20:24:50 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:24:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Update of intro for Reg Ingold Message-ID: <008c01c70225$90015380$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I am 71, lived through the London Blitz in the 2nd world war, always had a leaning towards mechanical things. I did my training as a factory Maintenance fitter and stayed with this trade until I needed more money. Got married to Marg and we had two kids. (Daughter now 45and son,43.) Went to nightschool. got qualifications and got a job as an aircraft test engineer with British Aircraft Corp. A change of Govt in England saw my job going down the tube so we sold up and came to Oz.in 1965. Spent the first 6 years in Tasmania, where I raced speedway sidecars and Motocross. I started work as a fitter in Edgel's food cannery and then started my own business. Auto body repairs, building speedway bikes, machining, anything to make a living. The move to Newcastle. NSW. was taken as there was not much future for the kids in Tas and I had the chance of getting into another business. (Didnt work out but, thats another story!) I then started working on motorcycles full time as they had always been a big love in my life. Took up racing Enduros and had a full life until 1984 when I was involved in a bad accident in the mountains near here. (A head on collision with a kid on an unregistered bike who was racing his mates and looking back to see how far ahead he was!!.) That left me with major damage to my left arm and put me out of the workforce. I started playing with old engines just after this time and have had a lot of enjoyment from the hobby. I was involved with the Hunter Valley engine club for a long time and held a few positions in the club. My interest has drifted away from the full size engines and towards building models of them. I have made around 130 so far. I still have 11 full size engines but they dont get out to shows too often these days. I also have a good collection of hot air stuff and a good workshop to play in. I have been getting over to the USA every few years to visit all the good friends the hobby and the list have given me. On things computer, I am a bit of a dummy and I have to admit that without Ken Christison and Luke Tonneberger skills, I wouldnt have a website. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Nov 6 21:13:30 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:13:30 +0800 Subject: [SEL] The Foundry References: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <009201c70209$2a7bb4e0$3a52bc4c@pengy> Message-ID: <000701c7022b$7a0e5f40$260d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Although I have had no dealings with you Rick I am very sorry that your business has ended this way ,You have my sympathy .Unfortunately we see things like this happening so much more frequently nowdays . I am so glad that I am not in today's workforce! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [SEL] The Foundry > Everyone, > > After a deserved off list ass chewing from a couple of SEL friends I > realized that I must stop procrastinating and get things taken care of. I > shipped out the castings to Nick Lozzi today and have been boxing up other > stuff to go out later in the week to other customers. > > I need to get this chapter of my life over with and get on with the tasks > at hand. I must put my efforts toward restoring the Tod instead of trying > to run a business. I can't do both. So after the loose ends with the > customers are tied up and the furnace sold to satisfy the outstanding > electric bill, I will be finding new homes for the rest of the foundry > equipment. There are a couple more debts to be repaid. > > Rick Rowlands > Youngstown, OH > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Nov 7 02:47:24 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:47:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual Message-ID: <110720061047.25288.4550643C000A77A1000062C8219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Great Jimmy. Sure would like to see some pics of your engine though. Curt > Hi Curt, Thanks very much. The copies arrived over the weekend while we were > at a swap meet. Thanks again. Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:58 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > Jimmy, > Watch post box as just sent your manual, actually made you two one to keep > clean and the other use in the shop if need be. > I do have a large assortment of other engine literature so if there is any > thing else I can help you with just give me a call. > thanks again, > Curt > > > > Hi Curt , Thanks for your time and effort. The funds are in the mailbox. > > Please let me know if it arrives so I know it didn't go to "Mail Heaven." > > Jimmy > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > cgandree at mchsi.com > > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:44 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > > > Jim, > > When you have time send me a check for $10.00 to cover reproduction and > > mailing costs for a copy to me at: > > Curt Andree > > 6419 Basswood Road > > McConnell, Illinois 61050 > > > > > > > Hi Curt,I'd like one.Please send an address so I can pay you. Thanks in > > > advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, 20 Sunnyhill Rd. Novato,Ca. 94945 ,415 892 0236 > > > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > > cgandree at mchsi.com > > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:08 AM > > > To: Old eng list; SEL Lists > > > Subject: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > > > > > Yesterday I picked up an orginal manual for a Temple Pump Co. Engine. It > > > > covers basic setup and adjustments for 2 thru 25hp engines. Has some > good > > > diagrams,etc. Be happy to duplicate copies for anyone having such an > > > engine. > > > Please contact me. > > > Curt Andree > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Nov 7 05:27:04 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:27:04 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Intro Message-ID: <000b01c70270$6bb0a580$e5c30b52@no1> I am 65 years old and I live in a small terraced house in Warrington in the North West of England. I have been retired since 1995 after working as a technical officer for British Telecom for 38 years, ajob I loved. I care for my disabled wife Marjorie & as I am starting to suffer from severe arthritis, the bigger engines are getting too much for me now. I now mainly show old bicycles & my collection of hot air engines. I only discovered stationary engines in 1978 when a friend, who knew that I liked to look in scrapyards asked me to look for a Lister "D" for him. At the time I was into electronics & I was looking for electronic parts. In a country scrapyard I found two Lister Junior 3HP engines on cast iron beds coupled to air compressors. They were painted admiralty grey & had only been test run. I asked the price and managed to get them both for 25 UKP. (35US$) They looked fascinating so I sold one and kept the other. I thought I would go to a vintage show & find out if I had bought a collectable engine. I put the engine in the back of my van & on arrival I was surprised to be waved straight in without paying for admission. I found the exhibitors to be very helpful & I was immediately hooked. Many more engines followed & over the years I have owned over 100 engines with the average at one time being about 20. More than 22 years ago I saw an advert in the Stationary Engine magazine for someone to swap engines with a Danish collector. I replied & that is how I met my late good friend Jens Lauritsen. We exchanged over 20 English engines for Danish models & I stayed with Jens to help with his museum a number of times. I still have a number of Danish & Swedish friends so if anyone needs help in that regard, just ask. I now only have 4 engines, all rare Danish models. I sold the majority of my collection as my wife's disabilities got worse & we used the money to have good holidays. I don't regret it as we can't travel now but we still have the memories! The list has revitalised my engine interests & I do what I can to help others. My other interests are Good beer from all over the world & Indian curries! Also family history. (See my Homepage) The latest event in my life was almost 5 years ago now when I was knocked off my bicycle by an 85 year old motorist. I was taken to the local hospital by ambulance & as it was a busy time & I seemed reasonably OK I had to wait to see the doctor. I don't remember any of this but it seems I left the hospital & walked home. (Only about 500 yds) I told Marjorie, my wife that I had suffered a bump & went to bed. The following morning she couldn't wake me and a second ambulance took me back to the hospital as an emergency case. It seems that I had been bleeding all night in 3 places in my brain. I came out of coma after a week & was released after a month in hospital. It would have been longer but as I lived so near they let me out for Christmas. This group had a collection for me and it was very useful as well as the thought of what you had done helped me recover. Now I still have short term memory problems but basically I am OK. I received compensation for the accident & I was able to pass on the majority of your money to another list member who had a similar accident. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 7 06:04:18 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:04:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html Message-ID: <20061107.091128.856.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, I'll submit the following edited text for updating. Later, when I find a decent pic, I'll submit it. Thanks. Joe Betz (Picture) My name is Joe Betz. Some people call me "Pip". That came from when I was a small kid. I'm 62, retired at 56 in January 2001 from the floor covering industry. Installed Carpet, Vinyl Tile, and the like. Comercial jobs only. Me, wife Sylvia, Amy, and Joey, live in a Ryan Homes plan in the town of Library, PA. 10 miles south of Pittsburgh. (The up-d-up's call it South Park.) Very limited (by space) on what I can harbor in the garage. My first introduction to this hobby was with the Tri-State Historical Steam Asso. in Finleyville. Went to a few shows and wanted to get "Hands-On". Me and my boy (Joe Jr.)who is now 25, ended up operating a 1926 Buffalo Springfield, 12 ton steam roller at the Finleyville show for about 3 or 4 years because no one else wanted it. Too much trouble firing it and stearing. Personally, I loved that engine. I always asked, "Where are all the small engines?" (Meaning gas ) Never got a good answer to that one. It seemes there is a discrepency between gas people and steam people. A subject that still remains as clear as mud to me. Almost bought that roller from Willis Able, who owns about 90% of the steam at Tri-State. Decided it wasn't a good move. Bought my first Gas Engine, at an auction, in an effort to be able to attend other shows and be an "exhibitor". Am pretty much limited to small engines. 2 - 3 HP because of the living conditions. Drive a Ford 3/4 ton 4x4 that's '72 vintage that uses more oil than gas. Like to make as many "local" shows as I can. Local, as in 100 miles or less. Have a 2 HP Witte Kero. - 2 HP F&J "N" Dishpan - 2 HP Stover CT-1 - 2.5 HP IDEAL "M" Upright - 2.5 HP Jaeger - Couple of Maytags - Couple of Briggs - A few other things like water pumps - grinders - working head - and the like. Like to collect Kerosene Truck Flares - and anything else that burns Kero. Ride a 1984 Harley Davidson FLH (Last of the shovelhead) that has classic plates because it deserves it. (The only Harley I could ride without a parts truck in tow.) Well - If you've read this far, you got too much time on your hands. Not much else to say. Catch Ya All on the web. Joe B. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 7 07:14:18 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:14:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] eBay Engine - Badly Listed & Very Cheap (220044099305) Message-ID: Hey Folks, Someone might just score a real cheap engine off eBay. See ya, Arnie ================================================================= Don't let it get away! BID NOW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220044099305 ================================================================= Item Name: ONE LUNGER W/ TRAILOR BY ALAMO LUNT MOSS 2 HP ANTIQUE Current price: $124.99 End date: Tuesday, Nov 07, 2006 12:27:36 PST From jtray26 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 7 08:10:09 2006 From: jtray26 at yahoo.com (john ray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:10:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <454FBF4B.8060605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> Hi folks! First, thanks to all of you who have offered to show your collections to a new guy! I'm very excited about the trip to MD to get my first engine, and I'm looking forward to meeting some more engine guys and gals. I'd like to take a minute or two of your time to introduce myself. I grew up in Hendersonville, NC the son of a school teacher and a mechanic. My parents are two of the most kind, patient and caring people on this Earth (I brag on them every chance I get). I went off to college in 1998. I spent four years at UNC-Chapel Hill - quite a change from my quiet mountain upbringing. When I graduated college, I began a short-lived career in promotional advertising and got married to the love of my life. Her name is Elizabeth, and she puts up with my old-iron habits very well (most of the time). After law school I moved my little family back home to the mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. We are expecting our first child in June...A new generation of gear heads! I have had a love affair with antique machinery since I was old enough to walk...I got my first old car at the age of 14. It was a sky blue 1952 Chevrolet sedan - what a TANK! I bought it out of my neighbor's hay barn for $600. I kept the '52 around for a while, then I traded it for a 1941 3/4 ton Chevrolet truck. I loved that old truck, but it proved to be a little bit young for my taste, so I traded it for a 1926 Ford model T coupe. My dad and I drove to Kansas to get the T (a real adventure...I won't bore you with the whole story). We trailered it home and began the assessment process. It was covered in 50 years of barn dust and grime...very exciting! The old thing was totally worn out mechanically, so we had to pull the whole thing down, front to back, and restore EVERYTHING mechanical on the car. The old body is in great shape and it has a lot of "character." I still have the T and it is a blast to tour around in on sunny afternoons. I have also recently acquired a 1928 Chevrolet 1-ton truck complete with its original wooden wagon shop cab. I'm in the process of getting its restoration underway. It'll look great at the shows with the bed full of old engine stuff and refreshments!!! So...That brings me to engines. I went to the antique power show over at the ag center in Asheville a couple of weeks ago...Now I have the antique engine bug (I think it's more like a virus). I met Curt Holland and a lot of other great folks there and had a fantastic time. With some gentle guidance from Curt, I've bought myself an Alamo Blue Line that's in need of some "TLC." I'm looking forward to getting started on my engine and becoming a productive part of the hobby. Every engine seem to be different - a new adventure in every one. Thanks again! I look forward to getting to know you folks on the SEL, and seeing a lot of you at some shows next season (hopefully with my Alamo ticking along somewhere nearby). Sincerely, Tyler Ray PS: I'm probably going to have MANY questions...some of which will be VERY ignorant. Please forgive me in advance :) Curt wrote: John, I know it was on eBay and the auction was over Sunday evening. Sounds like it is the same one. The lucky bidder, Tyler Ray, tells me he is subscribed to the SEL now, and perhaps this is a good time for him to pipe up and tell us a little something about himself. I met him at the Arden show two weekends ago and he's a good fellow. They stopped by our house last evening for a nice visit. Of course we stumbled thru the very dark yard and over to the engine shed to run a few engines by flashlight. Ahh life is good. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. I cc:d this over to the SEL since I don't think Tyler is on oldengine.org yet. Tyler, if you reply, please "reply all" and your post will go to both lists. John Cullom wrote: > Hi Curt, > Is it the Alamo that Ira Barnes had on Ebay? If so, it's not far > from me at all. You all are welcome to stop by here & see my meager > collection. > John > Westminster, Md. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > >> May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby >> to the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and >> is in Maryland. > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 7 09:12:57 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:12:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> References: <454FBF4B.8060605@imc-group.com> <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061107115300.03f485b0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tyler, Welcome aboard! Hold on to your ass, for the ride can be rough at times, but there is always someone ready to help and give advice. Be aware, however, free advice is worth what you pay for it! You come to the List at a good time. You see, we allow ONLY two lawyers on the List at any given time. Until several weeks ago we were at our limit in that category. Fortunately for you in late October one of the lawyers on the List suddenly turned room temperature. It seems that another List member (who sometimes goes by the name Maytag Twin) found this lawyer with Twin's young wife and took matters into his own hands--so to speak. Twin is (I believe) still on the List and the prosecutor in Twin's county is hesitant to bring forth charges saying "It's about time that someone gave that scum lawyer what he has deserved for years!" You have nothing to fear from Twin, however. He is a mild mannered individual who loves children, kittens and his (much) younger wife. While it's true that Twin road the "little bus" when he was in school, this is the first time that he has shown any sort of violent behavior toward any member of the List! I'm sure that if he does not find out how it is that you earn your living you will be perfectly safe! Again welcome to the List. We are all just one big happy family here and take great pleasure in helping each other out. Dave At 11:10 AM 11/7/2006, you wrote: >Hi folks! > > First, thanks to all of you who have offered to show your collections > to a new guy! I'm very excited about the trip to MD to get my first > engine, and I'm looking forward to meeting some more engine guys and gals. > >After law school I moved my little family back home to the mountains. I'm >now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet behind the ears) in >Hendersonville, NC. > Sincerely, > Tyler Ray From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Tue Nov 7 09:39:35 2006 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (James Hardman) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:39:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Introduction References: <000b01c70270$6bb0a580$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <000301c70293$b1f88210$5218e844@Desktop> I have been a member of this list for some weeks now, and shamefully have not said hello. I am Jim Hardman of Dorset, Vermont, and know some of the list members through long attendance at the Rough & Tumble and Coolspring shows. Now 71, I continue to collect early spark plugs (this has been a 47 year hobby) and truly enjoy restoring early engines. My wife Pat and I are retired, I remain an engineer at heart, a former formulator of epoxy and urethane adhesives. Our engine collection is modest, about 5 smaller engines, a lot easier to handle than the big fellows. My favorite is a 2 HP Goold, Shapley & Muir (the "Canadian White & Middleton"), but the best runners are a 1-1/2 HP Lauson-Lawton and a 1 HP Domestic, a "Stovepipe". We just finished the restoration of a 2 HP Bullseye. In many ways, this is a family hobby, a sharing of common interests. I am blessed to have a son, Tom, who has several engines in Ohio and a son Jim, who has always enjoyed attending these shows. Prior to the new administration at Rough & Tumble prohibiting cars in the exhibit areas, the entire family including 6 grand children would gather for a week of fun in Kinzers each August. In fact, two of our grand children tell us that our week there in Pennsylvania Dutch country was the highlight of their social year. Engine shows are wonderful family events! I enjoy machine work. When we relocated to Vermont 15 years ago, we connected the old 2-car garage to the main house, framed in one of the doors, added paneling, windows and heat, and converted it to a "dream" home shop. We even carpeted the floor for added warmth, although lathe swarf is a pain to vacuum up. Equipment is pretty basic, a 13 in. South Bend Lathe, a Clausing Mill and an old B&S surface grinder. But with these tools I have built (and rebuilt) several model gas and steam engines as well as replicated many parts for restoration projects. Thanks for the warmth and obvious friendships available on this list. Dorset is somewhat remote (we live in rural farm country) and winters tend to be long. This computer is truly a window to the world and the ability to process digital images makes it all but indispensable. Thanks to all who have posted personal pictures! Warm Regards to all... Jim From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 7 09:54:43 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:54:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4550C863.1050403@imc-group.com> Tyler, Welcome to the SEL! You'll find the legal guys are well respected on this list....say hi Tommy Turner. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC john ray wrote: >After law school I moved my little family back home to the mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 7 10:50:40 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:50:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro Message-ID: <20061107.135254.624.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tyler, Nice to have you aboard. Very nice intro also. I'm sure you'll enjoy the SEL. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 7 10:52:46 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:52:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Introduction Message-ID: <20061107.135254.624.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jim, Welcome to the SEL. I'm looking forward to seeing you at Coolspring, PA. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 7 11:08:04 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:08:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <4550C863.1050403@imc-group.com> References: <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> <4550C863.1050403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4550D994.8050902@scrtc.com> Curt, Yup, I'm glad the SEL is open to all! (you may have overdone it on the "Respected" part though). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Curt wrote: > Tyler, > Welcome to the SEL! You'll find the legal guys are well respected on > this list....say hi Tommy Turner. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > john ray wrote: > >> After law school I moved my little family back home to the >> mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet >> behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From jtray26 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 7 13:01:15 2006 From: jtray26 at yahoo.com (john ray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:01:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <4550D994.8050902@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20061107210115.69332.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Thanks for the warm welcome! Just remember, if it weren't for lawyers, there wouldn't be any lawyer jokes...I'm trying to figure out a way to incorporate a shop into the back of the office. The conference room has potential :-)...If only the Senior Partner would see it my way (for a change). Tyler Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Curt, Yup, I'm glad the SEL is open to all! (you may have overdone it on the "Respected" part though). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Curt wrote: > Tyler, > Welcome to the SEL! You'll find the legal guys are well respected on > this list....say hi Tommy Turner. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > john ray wrote: > >> After law school I moved my little family back home to the >> mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet >> behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Get a free Motorola Razr! Today Only! Choose Cingular, Sprint, Verizon, Alltel, or T-Mobile. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 7 13:13:37 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:13:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <20061107210115.69332.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061107210115.69332.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4550F701.6020408@scrtc.com> Tyler, I put a Model T together in my back office once (right behind the courtroom). I really liked it there. Some others didn't. Actually I bought a bunch of T stuff on ebay, wheels, hood, fenders, brass radiator, etc. When I set it out in the floor and moved my chairs in between the front and rear wheels, it did look like a T in the office. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY john ray wrote: >Hi all, > > Thanks for the warm welcome! Just remember, if it weren't for lawyers, there wouldn't be any lawyer jokes...I'm trying to figure out a way to incorporate a shop into the back of the office. The conference room has potential :-)...If only the Senior Partner would see it my way (for a change). > > Tyler > >Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Curt, >Yup, I'm glad the SEL is open to all! (you may have overdone it on >the "Respected" part though). > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Curt wrote: > > > >>Tyler, >>Welcome to the SEL! You'll find the legal guys are well respected on >>this list....say hi Tommy Turner. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >> >>john ray wrote: >> >> >> >>>After law school I moved my little family back home to the >>>mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet >>>behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >--------------------------------- >Sponsored Link > >Get a free Motorola Razr! Today Only! Choose Cingular, Sprint, Verizon, Alltel, or T-Mobile. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From jtray26 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 7 13:53:52 2006 From: jtray26 at yahoo.com (john ray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:53:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <4550F701.6020408@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20061107215352.87600.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> Judge Turner, I like the way you think...Maybe we should start a new line of "designer" office furniture. I've got some old rusty parts left over to get us started...When my T project was in full swing I had parts in the den, living room, garage, carport, barn loft, and in Dad's rental house (it was vacant and, consequently, fair game). I envision a large live-in shop with a small house attached in my future...My spouse may have other ideas??? :-) Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Tyler, I put a Model T together in my back office once (right behind the courtroom). I really liked it there. Some others didn't. Actually I bought a bunch of T stuff on ebay, wheels, hood, fenders, brass radiator, etc. When I set it out in the floor and moved my chairs in between the front and rear wheels, it did look like a T in the office. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY john ray wrote: >Hi all, > > Thanks for the warm welcome! Just remember, if it weren't for lawyers, there wouldn't be any lawyer jokes...I'm trying to figure out a way to incorporate a shop into the back of the office. The conference room has potential :-)...If only the Senior Partner would see it my way (for a change). > > Tyler > >Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Curt, >Yup, I'm glad the SEL is open to all! (you may have overdone it on >the "Respected" part though). > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Curt wrote: > > > >>Tyler, >>Welcome to the SEL! You'll find the legal guys are well respected on >>this list....say hi Tommy Turner. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >> >>john ray wrote: >> >> >> >>>After law school I moved my little family back home to the >>>mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet >>>behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >--------------------------------- >Sponsored Link > >Get a free Motorola Razr! Today Only! Choose Cingular, Sprint, Verizon, Alltel, or T-Mobile. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Nov 7 14:57:10 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 06:57:10 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro References: <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c702c0$120062a0$02422ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Nice to hear about you Tyler.........lawyers I can tolerate ,politicians no ,known some absolute bastard ones in my time. Fortunately I am sure there are none on this list ,Politicians that is ,don't know about bastards! ----- Original Message ----- From: "john ray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro > Hi folks! > > First, thanks to all of you who have offered to show your collections to > a new guy! I'm very excited about the trip to MD to get my first engine, > and I'm looking forward to meeting some more engine guys and gals. > > I'd like to take a minute or two of your time to introduce myself. I > grew up in Hendersonville, NC the son of a school teacher and a mechanic. > My parents are two of the most kind, patient and caring people on this > Earth (I brag on them every chance I get). I went off to college in 1998. > I spent four years at UNC-Chapel Hill - quite a change from my quiet > mountain upbringing. When I graduated college, I began a short-lived > career in promotional advertising and got married to the love of my life. > Her name is Elizabeth, and she puts up with my old-iron habits very well > (most of the time). After law school I moved my little family back home > to the mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet > behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. We are expecting our first child > in June...A new generation of gear heads! > > I have had a love affair with antique machinery since I was old enough to > walk...I got my first old car at the age of 14. It was a sky blue 1952 > Chevrolet sedan - what a TANK! I bought it out of my neighbor's hay barn > for $600. I kept the '52 around for a while, then I traded it for a 1941 > 3/4 ton Chevrolet truck. I loved that old truck, but it proved to be a > little bit young for my taste, so I traded it for a 1926 Ford model T > coupe. My dad and I drove to Kansas to get the T (a real adventure...I > won't bore you with the whole story). We trailered it home and began the > assessment process. It was covered in 50 years of barn dust and > grime...very exciting! The old thing was totally worn out mechanically, > so we had to pull the whole thing down, front to back, and restore > EVERYTHING mechanical on the car. The old body is in great shape and it > has a lot of "character." I still have the T and it is a blast to tour > around in on sunny afternoons. I have also recently > acquired a 1928 Chevrolet 1-ton truck complete with its original wooden > wagon shop cab. I'm in the process of getting its restoration underway. > It'll look great at the shows with the bed full of old engine stuff and > refreshments!!! > > So...That brings me to engines. I went to the antique power show over at > the ag center in Asheville a couple of weeks ago...Now I have the antique > engine bug (I think it's more like a virus). I met Curt Holland and a lot > of other great folks there and had a fantastic time. With some gentle > guidance from Curt, I've bought myself an Alamo Blue Line that's in need > of some "TLC." I'm looking forward to getting started on my engine and > becoming a productive part of the hobby. Every engine seem to be > different - a new adventure in every one. > > Thanks again! I look forward to getting to know you folks on the SEL, > and seeing a lot of you at some shows next season (hopefully with my Alamo > ticking along somewhere nearby). > > Sincerely, > Tyler Ray > > PS: I'm probably going to have MANY questions...some of which will be > VERY ignorant. Please forgive me in advance :) > > Curt wrote: > John, > I know it was on eBay and the auction was over Sunday evening. Sounds > like it is the same one. The lucky bidder, Tyler Ray, tells me he is > subscribed to the SEL now, and perhaps this is a good time for him to > pipe up and tell us a little something about himself. I met him at the > Arden show two weekends ago and he's a good fellow. They stopped by our > house last evening for a nice visit. Of course we stumbled thru the very > dark yard and over to the engine shed to run a few engines by > flashlight. Ahh life is good. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. I cc:d this over to the SEL since I don't think Tyler is on > oldengine.org yet. Tyler, if you reply, please "reply all" and your post > will go to both lists. > > > John Cullom wrote: > >> Hi Curt, >> Is it the Alamo that Ira Barnes had on Ebay? If so, it's not far >> from me at all. You all are welcome to stop by here & see my meager >> collection. >> John >> Westminster, Md. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >> >>> May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby >>> to the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and >>> is in Maryland. >> >> >> >> >> To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >> with: >> unsubscribe >> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate > new house payment > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Nov 7 14:43:04 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:43:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro References: <20061107215352.87600.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e301c702bf$e23260f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Jeez! Some folk just like living in the 'domestic danger zone' VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "john ray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro > Judge Turner, > > I like the way you think...Maybe we should start a new line of "designer" > office furniture. I've got some old rusty parts left over to get us > started...When my T project was in full swing I had parts in the den, > living room, garage, carport, barn loft, and in Dad's rental house (it was > vacant and, consequently, fair game). I envision a large live-in shop > with a small house attached in my future...My spouse may have other > ideas??? :-) > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Tyler, > I put a Model T together in my back office once (right behind the > courtroom). I really liked it there. Some others didn't. Actually I > bought a bunch of T stuff on ebay, wheels, hood, fenders, brass > radiator, etc. When I set it out in the floor and moved my chairs in > between the front and rear wheels, it did look like a T in the office. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > john ray wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >> Thanks for the warm welcome! Just remember, if it weren't for lawyers, >> there wouldn't be any lawyer jokes...I'm trying to figure out a way to >> incorporate a shop into the back of the office. The conference room has >> potential :-)...If only the Senior Partner would see it my way (for a >> change). >> >> Tyler >> >>Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Curt, >>Yup, I'm glad the SEL is open to all! (you may have overdone it on >>the "Respected" part though). >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>Curt wrote: >> >> >> >>>Tyler, >>>Welcome to the SEL! You'll find the legal guys are well respected on >>>this list....say hi Tommy Turner. >>>Curt Holland >>>Gastonia, NC >>> >>> >>>john ray wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>After law school I moved my little family back home to the >>>>mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet >>>>behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Sponsored Link >> >>Get a free Motorola Razr! Today Only! Choose Cingular, Sprint, Verizon, >>Alltel, or T-Mobile. >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 7 17:25:33 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:25:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More Stover Rebuild Pictures Message-ID: <009a01c702d4$c9a42a90$240110ac@FAMILY> For you folks that are following along with me on my rebuild of my 1905 Vertical Stover I have added more pictures to the album if you want to take a look. I am looking for any and all suggestions and advice in regards to this rebuild so send them to me, it doesn't make any difference if it is criticism, I will take them all in the spirit of which they are given. http://community.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=554884600&key=StYIhb Thanks, Paul From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Tue Nov 7 17:37:27 2006 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:37:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html In-Reply-To: <410-22006112734726718@coastalnet.com> References: <410-22006112734726718@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <455134D7.9020306@zoominternet.net> Good, glad to hear it. Ed Ken Christison wrote: >He hadn't expired up to several hours ago. > >Ken > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Edward Tabor >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Date: 11/6/2006 10:17:52 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html >> >>Dave is the guy who had the bicycle accident and head injury some time >>back, correct? I've been out of touch, did he survive the ordeal or >> >> >expire? > > >>Ed >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From wilson at stny.rr.com Tue Nov 7 18:24:50 2006 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:24:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] eBay Engine - Badly Listed & Very Cheap (220044099305) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doesn't that mount look a little whimpy (but pretty) ? Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:14 AM To: Stationary Engine List; Old Engine Subject: [SEL] eBay Engine - Badly Listed & Very Cheap (220044099305) Hey Folks, Someone might just score a real cheap engine off eBay. See ya, Arnie ================================================================= Don't let it get away! BID NOW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220044099305 ================================================================= Item Name: ONE LUNGER W/ TRAILOR BY ALAMO LUNT MOSS 2 HP ANTIQUE Current price: $124.99 End date: Tuesday, Nov 07, 2006 12:27:36 PST _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From asouth42 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 7 18:34:18 2006 From: asouth42 at earthlink.net (Arthur & Deana Southwell) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:34:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Intro Arthur Southwell Message-ID: <01cf01c702de$64848470$6501a8c0@LapTop> 11-7-06 Arthur Southwell here, I started at the tender age of two working on machinery. I used the little tool kit SINGER supplied with their sewing machines to disassemble mother's old treadle sewing machine. This country was, like the rest of the world, involved in WW II and no spare parts were to be had. The "Singer Repairman" couldn't put the machine back into working order. Needless to say, my bottom got tore up next. But, I'm making progress, today I can usually "fix" what I disassemble. I left high school behind in June 1959, enlisted in the Air Force in Aug. 1959 and graduated from Jet Acft. Mechanic's school in Feb. 1960. Passed the GED in Apr. 1960. I returned to my home town, Arcadia Florida, in 1963 and went to work at the John Deere Dealership in Zolfo Springs Florida. I worked there several years and then a couple of other places a few years. In 1966 I jumped into self employment for six years. In 1972 my G.I. Bill was going to run out in 18 months, so I packed it in and entered Mid Florida Tech to study for my aircraft and power plant mechanic's license. A short time before I had applied for and received a Vocational Teaching Certificate. I landed a night job teaching Auto Mechanic's class at Mid Fla. Tech. making me a student by day and a teacher at night. In 1973 I took a full time teaching job at our local high school. I put in six years teaching Small Engines and Automotive Mechanic's classes. The politics got to be more than I wanted to put up with, so I went back to full time self employment in the summer of 1980. Deana and I have been married 32 years. I have three children from my first marriage. Six grand children and two great grand children. I was born in Arcadia, been here all but the years of enlistment, and can't wait to sell out and leave for greener pastures. NO RUST POLICE in Alabama off side the city limits! I'm currently a ASE certified Master Mechanic, also an FAA certificated aircraft & power plant mechanic. I'm a private pilot, single engine land & glider. Come Jan. 2007, I'll be sixty five,and looking forward to sixty six. You young guys keep working and paying into S.S. so I can stay semi-retired. I have been collecting, restoring, and showing Flywheel engines since 1968. I was a member of the FLORIDA FLYWHEELERS ANTIQUE ENGINE CLUB ( http://www.old-engine.com/flywheel.htm ) from about 1984 until 2003. They have a nice show grounds East of Ft. Meade FL. I collect a lot of different types of old things. Tractors, engines, implements, machinery, and such. Some of the items I have are: B&S engines, models A, B, WI, N, 5S, 6S, 9, 14, 23 AFB. Delco light 32V (2) 850s, and a Delco 12V. IHC engines, LBB 3-5 HP, UD6, UD14, U2A coupled to an antique FBM 4X4 pump. Hercules HP 1 ? S. Olds air-cooled, approx. 5 HP (no name plate). An Associated 4 Mule team (4 HP). Tractors: 1953 JD 40S. 1963 Case 734 Diesel. 1958 JD 60. 1962? Case 444 (Pound Grove Tractor-LPG). IHC-McCormick Super A. 1937 Case 'C'. 1930 Ford Mod. A, tractor conversion, a work in progress I have lots of other engines and things but it would take to long to name them. BTW, for Dave's benefit, I have several MAYTAGS! I have two disassembled Cessna 172s. 1958 & 1960-B. I have high hopes of getting the 172B flying in the next year. I'm an automotive component Rebuilder/Remanufacturer. I rebuild starters, alternators, generators and other DC electrical items as well as custom work on clutches, brake shoes, carburetors, and water pumps. This may be more than you care to know, but ................. Regards, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at earthlink.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From gibsongus at myway.com Tue Nov 7 21:47:57 2006 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:47:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Update of intro for Reg Ingold Message-ID: <20061108054757.55C3C99E0E@mprdmxin.myway.com> Reg do you have that Easy washmachine engine on Marg,s washmachine yet???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Mon 11/06, R & M Ingold < randmingold at hotkey.net.au > wrote: From: R & M Ingold [mailto: randmingold at hotkey.net.au]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:24:50 +1100Subject: [SEL] Update of intro for Reg IngoldI am 71, lived through the London Blitz in the 2nd world war, always had aleaning towards mechanical things.I did my training as a factory Maintenance fitter and stayed with this tradeuntil I needed more money. Got married to Marg and we had two kids. (Daughter now 45and son,43.) Went to nightschool. got qualifications and got a job as anaircraft test engineer with British Aircraft Corp. A change of Govt in England saw my jobgoing down the tube so we sold up and came to Oz.in 1965. Spent the first 6years in Tasmania, where I raced speedway sidecars and Motocross. I started work as a fitter in Edgel's food cannery and then started my own business. Auto body repairs, building speedway bikes, machining, anything to make a living.The move to Newcastle. NSW. was taken as there was not much future for thekids in Tas and I had the chance of getting into another business. (Didntwork out but, thats another story!)I then started working on motorcycles full time as they had always been a biglove in my life. Took up racing Enduros and had a full life until 1984 whenI was involved in a bad accident in the mountains near here. (A head on collisionwith a kid on an unregistered bike who was racing his mates and looking backto see how far ahead he was!!.) That left me with major damage to my left armand put me out of the workforce.I started playing with old engines just after this time and have had a lotof enjoyment from the hobby. I was involved with the Hunter Valleyengine club for a long time and held a few positions in the club.My interest has drifted away from the full size engines and towards buildingmodels of them. I have made around 130 so far. I still have 11 fullsize engines but they dont get out to shows too often these days. I also have agood collection of hot air stuff and a good workshop to play in. I have beengetting over to the USA every few years to visit all the good friends thehobby and the list have given me.On things computer, I am a bit of a dummy and I have to admit that withoutKen Christison and Luke Tonneberger skills, I wouldnt have a website.Reg & Marg Ingold.Newcastle, NSW, Australia.randmingold at hotkey.net.auhttp://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Nov 7 22:01:56 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:01:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Intro In-Reply-To: <410-22006112734726718@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <200611080602.kA862Bhm038454@mail-gw.fsr.net> Here is my updated biographical sketch from five years ago. Orrin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cathy and I live on a six acre patch of steep hillside in southeast Washington State. Our place sits near the bottom of the deep Wawawai Canyon that branches off the Snake River Canyon, about 120 miles downstream from the mile-deep Hells Canyon. It's comfortable down here in the winter-sometimes by as much as 20? F warmer than the farmland, above; but, we pay for it in the summer when temperatures frequently hover in the mid nineties. However, with negligible humidity and cool nights, we find it very tolerable. We're surrounded by game: every day we see deer browsing on the far side of the canyon and every night we listen to the coyotes yip, howl, and serenade. Cathy, my first wife of 43 years, stayed home to raise our two sons. They're now grown, so she went to work in the business office of Northwest Public Radio at Washington State University. Cathy wants to build up her own Social Security and private retirement funds. I retired ten years ago and am now a healthy 67. I'm living the best, happiest, years of my life. We have two sons: Wade teaches sixth grade and is married; Tad is a journeyman electrical lineman and remains single. Many of you will recall that early in his apprenticeship he was seriously burned when he contacted a 7,200-volt power line. Although some important muscles in one arm were destroyed, he can put out as much or more work as anyone in the trade. We probably have too many hobbies to give proper attention to any one of them. Cathy gets her kicks by showing her restored Model A Fords. Being her chief mechanic, I don't get to spend much time with my 1929 Model A Ford roadster or 1929 tudor. You're welcome to take a look at them on our Web site: http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm My family got our start in Model A's when we drove them to grade school back in South Dakota. That's right. The state didn't license drivers back then and if you could reach the clutch pedal you could drive. Every day there would be two or three Model A's and an old Chrysler with wood spoked wheels parked out in the playground; not a one of them belonged to the teacher. While growing up on the farm, the wind pumped the water for our livestock; but, sometimes in the heat of summer it didn't blow and we'd have to start up our old "one lung" engine to do the job. Nobody had electricity back then, so just about every farm had an engine or two. I never owned one of my own, so about retirement time I decided to get a hit 'n' miss. It didn't stop at one. The things have a way of multiplying. We cannot afford "exotics" so we remain content with a mix of IHC "M's," one lone Mogul, J-Ds, F-Ms, Herc-builts, etc. The easy part of the hobby is buying. The hard part is finding time to do proper restorations. If I could do one a year I'd have enough raw material to last the rest of my life. My favorites are an all-original Model D Kohler light plant (thank you for the manual, Dave R.) and an 8-h.p. Waterloo. The Kohler is a great attention-getter. The Waterloo traces its heritage to my home town of Canton, South Dakota. There, Jeff Knowlton invented the concept of the hopper-cooled engine and started manufacturing them under his name. In a deal worked out with Waterloo, Knowlton gave the company permission to use his design. They did so without changing much of anything. The only difference between my Waterloo is its (cheaper) J-shaped cast-iron mixer as opposed to the more expensive Lunkenheimers that came on the Knowltons. A couple of years ago I got a pleasant surprise. The owner of a Knowlton who is a local history buff got in touch with me and offered to sell me his engine. I let him name his price and I gladly paid it. As part of the deal he let me duplicate his photograph of the factory when it was in operation, the only such print known to exist. It is my wish that both the photograph and the engine will eventually take up permanent residence in the Canton museum. Cathy's favorite engine is her 2 h.p. Jaeger. She's proud of being able to service it and start it all on her own. We'll forever be indebted to Steve Barr and Mark Shulaw for generously hauling it halfway across the US for us. There's no folks finer than engine folks and Mark and Steve are the best of the best. You can see it in its barn-fresh condition on Keith Kinney's Hercules Web site, http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/painting.html. Look for "Here are some pictures of a 2HP Jaeger engine that was listed on eBay." Now cleaned up and mounted on a cart, it's more photogenic. Another of my budding hobbies is home shop machining. I now have machined a number of hot air engines that I show from time to time. Last winter I built a half-sized Moriya Stirling engine powered fan of James Senft's design It pairs up with a double-scale version I built a number of years ago. I'm still hoping to build a copy of one of Reg Ingold's Stirlings. Reg generously gave me all the necessary drawings and dimensions. You can see a sampling of my projects and engines, here: http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/PnE_Menu.htm I'm a past president of the Lewis-Clark Antique Power Club and have been on the board of directors for five years. I've also been the newsletter editor for more years than I can count. Here is a sampling of my work background: * Seven years as a nuclear power plant Machinist Mate in US Navy submarines, including three years as instructor at the prototype reactor for the aircraft carrier Enterprise's power plant. The reactor from my sub, the Abraham Lincoln, SSB(N) 602, is now buried near here at the Hanford nuclear reservation. * A stint as a reactor operator and experiment operator at the 250 MW Advanced Test Reactor; the world's largest test reactor, at the time. It was a real "gee whiz" experience. * Reactor operator and fuel handler at EBR-II, an experimental liquid sodium cooled fast breeder reactor--more wow and gee whiz. * Three years as a hydroelectric power plant operator at the historic Fort Peck Dam in NE Montana. At one time this was the world's largest earthen dam: it's about four miles long and a mile thick at the base. Its 1930s vintage machinery at the tunnel works fascinated me. It included an antique Enterprise diesel-powered emergency generator. * Twenty years as a hydroelectric power plant and navigation lock operator at Lower Granite Dam on the Snake River. Total capacity: 932 megaWatts. We've not made any pilgrimages further east than Rollag, LeSeuer or Lake Itasca, but that will change when Cathy retires in another 18 months. Then, we some day hope to meet all you good people back at Portland, Coolsprings and places in between. Perhaps all of us could make a special effort to show up at a 15th anniversary reunion of this list. It's a good life. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Nov 7 22:53:07 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:53:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine Letterbox and Yard Display References: <004c01c7006d$a5823e40$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <00e001c70302$8caa08c0$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Glad the Engine letterbox theme came up as it gave me an excuse to photograph three that are within a couple of kilometres from where I live. Hope they come though OK. The engines are: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2470528460053851130QGHqvb http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2261791580053851130CHSFAN http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2277173870053851130aOAxfw And the front garded display is: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2456649540053851130SvuHer Ron Canberra From segray at bigvalley.net Tue Nov 7 23:55:03 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:55:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Milker Message-ID: <45518D57.7060009@bigvalley.net> Hi All - A friend at the Tulare swap meet last weekend asked me if I could go through an engine he recently acquired to get it running. This is a Sandwich that I'm not familiar with. Anybody else ever see one of these? It's sure not common out here on the left coast! At first glance, it looks like a Novo,but has the vacuum pump built into the block. http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker1.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker2.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker3.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker4.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker5.jpg -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 8 00:49:21 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:49:21 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Milker References: <45518D57.7060009@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: <001f01c70312$c9f79890$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: [SEL] Milker > Hi All - > A friend at the Tulare swap meet last weekend asked me if I could go > through an engine he recently acquired to get it running. This is a > Sandwich that I'm not familiar with. Anybody else ever see one of these? > It's sure not common out here on the left coast! At first glance, it > looks like a Novo,but has the vacuum pump built into the block. > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker1.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker2.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker3.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker4.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker5.jpg > Steve Gray Hi Steve, see the below, http://surgemilker.com/ http://smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?p=151664 Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Nov 8 01:06:26 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:06:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Update of intro for Reg Ingold References: <20061108054757.55C3C99E0E@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <00fe01c70315$2d878080$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hi Gus. It is still at Rob's, waiting for it to be boxed with Peter Lowe's R&V. It will get here one day! No rush. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:47 PM > Reg do you have that Easy washmachine engine on Marg,s washmachine > yet???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 8 04:31:34 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 06:31:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Letterbox and Yard Display References: <004c01c7006d$a5823e40$240110ac@FAMILY> <00e001c70302$8caa08c0$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <002401c70331$d4925870$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Ron for the great pictures. I had began to think I was not going to get anymore as incoming pictures had really slowed down. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Letterbox and Yard Display > Glad the Engine letterbox theme came up as it gave me an excuse to > photograph three that are within a couple of kilometres from where I live. > Hope they come though OK. The engines are: > > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2470528460053851130QGHqvb > > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2261791580053851130CHSFAN > > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2277173870053851130aOAxfw > > And the front garded display is: > > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2456649540053851130SvuHer > > Ron > Canberra > > _______________________________________________ From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Wed Nov 8 05:09:19 2006 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:09:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Milker References: <45518D57.7060009@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: <001801c70337$1a133720$6400a8c0@stojanov> Hi Steve, I beleive a friend of mine owns one of those engines. It is known as a "Pine Tree Milker." Other than that I don't know much about them. I would figure they are somewhat uncommon. Hope this helps. See ya. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:55 AM Subject: [SEL] Milker > Hi All - > > A friend at the Tulare swap meet last weekend asked me if I could go > through an engine he recently acquired to get it running. This is a > Sandwich that I'm not familiar with. Anybody else ever see one of these? > It's sure not common out here on the left coast! At first glance, it > looks like a Novo,but has the vacuum pump built into the block. > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker1.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker2.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker3.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker4.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker5.jpg > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 8 05:33:49 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 08:33:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Update of intro for Reg Ingold In-Reply-To: <00fe01c70315$2d878080$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20061108054757.55C3C99E0E@mprdmxin.myway.com> <00fe01c70315$2d878080$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061108083312.03f7ab28@mail.alltel.net> At 04:06 AM 11/8/2006, you wrote: >Hi Gus. It is still at Rob's, waiting for it to be boxed with Peter Lowe's >R&V. >It will get here one day! No rush. >Reg & Marg Ingold. Hell Reg, I got my engine home. What's taking you so long? Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Nov 8 12:28:01 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 07:28:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Update of intro for Reg Ingold References: <20061108054757.55C3C99E0E@mprdmxin.myway.com><00fe01c70315$2d878080$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6.1.2.0.0.20061108083312.03f7ab28@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003701c70374$655a12c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I can't drive under water! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > Hell Reg, I got my engine home. What's taking you so long? Dave From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 8 12:56:13 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:56:13 -0000 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. Message-ID: <000701c70378$54bc3d90$e5c30b52@no1> I was just looking though some old magazines & in a 1925 copy of "The Mechanical Boy" they have printed a 1916 tale of a day in the life of the Admiralty's engine room somewhere in Scotland. I have printed it at http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2408324530028520097bGQwLN I hope you enjoy it. (It can be enlarged on webshots) Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Nov 8 15:36:00 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:36:00 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro Message-ID: <308.70cf415e.3283c3e0@aol.com> In a message dated 11/7/2006 12:36:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << You have nothing to fear from Twin, however. He is a mild mannered individual who loves children, kittens and his (much) younger wife >> Tyler, Dave conveniently forgot to tell you that "Twin" , however mild mannerly he may be, has a dog with titanium teeth well known for his ferocity. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 8 16:37:31 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:37:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More Mailbox & Yard Pictures Message-ID: <014e01c70397$3e591900$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Gang Bill Rupka send in these (3) pictures that he took at his good friend, Marvin Browns home. He sent the following descriptive information on the pictures: Mailbox is Novo model S, Air compressor is Canadian Rand (60 inch flywheels to give an idea of scale) Pump jack is a Beatty with a 3hp International M. Bill also commented that he is really enjoying this thread. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BillRupkaMailbox1.jpg http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BillRupkaYardDisplay1.jpg http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BillRupkaYardDisplay2.jpg Everyone keep beating the bush and ferret out these mailboxes and yard displays and send them in. Paul From curt at imc-group.com Wed Nov 8 16:42:25 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:42:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <308.70cf415e.3283c3e0@aol.com> References: <308.70cf415e.3283c3e0@aol.com> Message-ID: <45527971.9010304@imc-group.com> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >a dog with titanium teeth well known for his ferocity. > > > Hmm Tom, that sound a lot like Dave..... :-) Curt From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 8 17:14:48 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:14:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <308.70cf415e.3283c3e0@aol.com> References: <308.70cf415e.3283c3e0@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061108200453.041063c8@mail.alltel.net> >Tyler, >Dave conveniently forgot to tell you that "Twin" , however mild mannerly he >may be, has a dog with titanium teeth well known for his ferocity. >Tom Schmutz Oh Tom, These are details that Tyler need not know at this point in his time on the List. Twin's "little puppy" has never been known to attack a lawyer! Twin has trained Killer to ONLY go after nuclear engineers--and them ONLY in their tender parts! Next you will be telling Tyler about Little Lisa and how she misses Daddy Ron. Ever since Little Lisa ran off with that man in the brown truck neither Twin nor his (MUCH younger) wife have been the same. So please don't mention Little Lisa on List. Neither Twin (nor his MUCH younger wife) could take it! Dave PS, I've heard from Little Lisa and she may be at Portland this year! From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 8 17:40:44 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:40:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. In-Reply-To: <000701c70378$54bc3d90$e5c30b52@no1> References: <000701c70378$54bc3d90$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061108204012.0402f3d0@mail.alltel.net> Thanks Dave--MOST enjoyable! Dave At 03:56 PM 11/8/2006, you wrote: >I was just looking though some old magazines & in a 1925 copy >of "The Mechanical Boy" they have printed a 1916 tale of a day in >the life of the Admiralty's engine room somewhere in Scotland. >I have printed it at >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2408324530028520097bGQwLN >I hope you enjoy it. (It can be enlarged on webshots) >Dave Croft From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Nov 8 19:50:48 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:50:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Milker Message-ID: <410-2200611493504893@earthlink.net> I used to have one, didn't really care much for it though. They are a pain to get unstuck, the head bolts are usually rusted real bad and there is no other way to get that sucker apart (if the piston is up near the top) then to drive the piston down. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Steve Gray > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 11/8/2006 2:06:03 AM > Subject: [SEL] Milker > > Hi All - > > A friend at the Tulare swap meet last weekend asked me if I could go > through an engine he recently acquired to get it running. This is a > Sandwich that I'm not familiar with. Anybody else ever see one of these? > It's sure not common out here on the left coast! At first glance, it > looks like a Novo,but has the vacuum pump built into the block. > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker1.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker2.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker3.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker4.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker5.jpg > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 From segray at bigvalley.net Wed Nov 8 22:22:46 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:22:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: <410-2200611493504893@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200611493504893@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4552C936.7040600@bigvalley.net> Hi Tim - Luckily, this one does turn over, albeit, with what feels like pure STP in the crankcase. I already see the dreaded little head bolts looking up at me in the hopper! I can just about imagine how much fun that's going to be. The exhaust valve is stuck, but everything else seems to move anyway. For all I know at this point, the rod could be in more than one piece or the piston could have a hole burned in it! ;-) Anyway, I've got a month plus of Hot-Air engine display clean up work to do before I can get to the Sandwich. -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Tim Christoff wrote: >I used to have one, didn't really care much for it though. They are a pain >to get unstuck, the head bolts are usually rusted real bad and there is no >other way to get that sucker apart (if the piston is up near the top) then >to drive the piston down. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Steve Gray >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Date: 11/8/2006 2:06:03 AM >>Subject: [SEL] Milker >> >>Hi All - >> >> A friend at the Tulare swap meet last weekend asked me if I could go >>through an engine he recently acquired to get it running. This is a >>Sandwich that I'm not familiar with. Anybody else ever see one of these? >>It's sure not common out here on the left coast! At first glance, it >>looks like a Novo,but has the vacuum pump built into the block. >> >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker1.jpg >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker2.jpg >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker3.jpg >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker4.jpg >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker5.jpg >> >>-- >>Steve Gray >>Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 >>Sonora, California USA >>e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net >>Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com >> >> >> >>Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than >> >> >traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself >at www.BigValley.net > > >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Nov 9 03:46:54 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:46:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. In-Reply-To: <000701c70378$54bc3d90$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: That was an interesting story. Thanks for taking the time to scan it. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: "Dave Croft" > >I was just looking though some old magazines & in a 1925 copy >of "The Mechanical Boy" they have printed a 1916 tale of a day in >the life of the Admiralty's engine room somewhere in Scotland. >I have printed it at >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2408324530028520097bGQwLN >I hope you enjoy it. (It can be enlarged on webshots) >Dave Croft >Warrington >http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From mickdema at yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 04:23:07 2006 From: mickdema at yahoo.com (Mick Demaria) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 04:23:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] More Mailbox & Yard Pictures In-Reply-To: <014e01c70397$3e591900$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <657443.59394.qm@web55912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, Here's a link to a front lawn display I passed outside of Hudson, ME a couple of years ago. http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/maine/lawn.html Mick --- Paul Maples wrote: > Hey Gang Bill Rupka send in these (3) pictures that > he took at his good friend, Marvin Browns home. He > sent the following descriptive information on the > pictures: > > Mailbox is Novo model S, > Air compressor is Canadian Rand (60 inch flywheels > to give an idea of scale) > Pump jack is a Beatty with a 3hp International M. > > Bill also commented that he is really enjoying this > thread. > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BillRupkaMailbox1.jpg > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BillRupkaYardDisplay1.jpg > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BillRupkaYardDisplay2.jpg > > Everyone keep beating the bush and ferret out these > mailboxes and yard displays and send them in. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near historic lows: $150,000 loan as low as $579/mo. Intro-*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Nov 9 04:27:10 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:27:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Intro Message-ID: <20061109144162.SM01400@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, I've already posted this to the Oldengine list - this is for the SEL members who do not belong to that list (are there any ?). Hi All, I'm Jerry Evans and only been afflicted with this old iron sickness since late 2004. I'd always been fascinated by these old engines and had dreams of finding a Lister D to restore. In 2004 I made the remarkable discovery that there were other people afflicted with the same sickness and some actually collected and restored these things. In fact it was a worldwide phenomenon - I was hooked. I joined the SEL and Oldengine mail lists and have made many wonderful friends in spite of never having met them personally. I was born mid 1949 in the Karoo region of South Africa - This is an arid semi desert area well known as a sheep farming area. My Dad farmed with sheep (mutton and wool), dairy cattle (Frieslands), and Angora goats (Mohair) and also grew maize (for silage), lucerne (alfalfa), oats and wheat and also had a farm butchery. My Mom had a General Dealer shop on the farm. My Dad was the most honest person I have ever known (probably why he never got rich) and I try to follow his example. I do not tolerate fools or dishonesty. We lived there until I was 13 and my first memories regarding machinery were from that farm. Our lights were supplied by a 1 1/2 H.P. John Deere E driving a 12 volt generator to charge a battery. It was my older brothers job to remove the head and decarbonise it every school holiday. I'm still looking for one of these engines. Then there was the annual visit by the contract threshing machine - I think it was probably a "Ransomes, Simms & Jefferies" - big wooden machine with lots of fascinating spinning wheels and belts - driven by a steam engine in the earlier days. Us kids had to crawl under it and pick up all the spilled wheat while it was running - todays safety inspectors would have had a heart attack had they seen us! We also used horse drawn (mules actually) mowers to cut the lucerne and maize. Milking was done by hand and I often had to turn the seperator (engine driven seperators were almost unknown here) and help weigh the milk. I was sent to boarding school at 6 so only spent holidays on the farm. I learnt to drive early on (about 7 or 8), first on a Grey Ferguson TED and later a Studebaker pickup. I hated that truck because the suspension was so hard - as kids we had to ride on the back and it was hell on the dirt roads. I remember begging my Dad to buy a Chevrolet as their suspension gave a much smoother ride on those roads but he never did. I was about 13 when my Dad sold the farm and moved to another farm in the Eastern Cape Province. This was closer to the sea (about 20 miles if you went by crow) and a higher rainfall area. By now my Dad had bought a brand new Massey Ferguson 35 diesel and this tractor did most of the moving between the old and new farms - I think it was about 130 miles one way and probably half of that was dirt road. It took a good number of trips towing a big farm trailer. The Studebaker engine was reconditioned and also did many trips. This farm had a Lister D driving a 32 volt generator - I remember thinking that we had really "come up in the world" because we now had 32 volt lights as opposed to the 12 volts previously. This was my first real experience with an engine as it was my duty (during school holidays) to start this every night. It was pretty old and sometimes very hard to start but it always did. The sound of it "puttering away" in the background was an integral part of our evenings. It was the memory of this engine that stuck in my mind and was the cause of this rusty iron sickness that now afflicts me. Something that I really remember about this farm was that the electric wiring in the roof was a total mess and on my first school holiday I was given the task of rewiring the house. It was hell - the roof was corrugated iron and had no vents so it was like an oven inside with the sun beating down on it. It was also totally dark and my only light source was a Coleman paraffin camping lantern which itself gave off a good amount of heat. Also the accumulation of dust up there, when mixed with sweat made me look decidedly "African". It took me about a week to finish but at least all the lights now worked. On leaving school I was conscripted to the army. I volunteered to become a Paratrooper and successfully completed my army life there. I did about 36 static line jumps out of Dakota's and Hercules C130's. My Dad became ill at this time and I stayed on at the farm and helped him for little over a year but it was never my intention to go farming and once he was well again I moved to Johannesburg which is in the centre of South Africa's main industrial region. I married in about 1972 and had 2 children, a son and a daughter. I got divorced in 1991 and have stayed single since and have no intention of changing this status (all the girls my age are so old !!). My daughter Jacqui shares my love of old engines and has her own restored Wolseley which goes to shows with us. My working life has been mostly in the plastics industry starting in sales and eventually opening my own company selling engineering plastics (Nylon etc.) and decorative plastics (Perspex etc.). I sold the company in 1986 partly to be able to spend more time at home with my teenage children and have since been working from home. I live on a 5 acre smallholding with 150 metres of river frontage about 40 Km south of Johannesburg. I currently run a small sign business as well as a data recovery service. My engine collection consists of only 7 restored engines. the oldest being the 6 H.P. Wolseley Type R (1928) that I'm currently busy with, then the 1 1/2 H.P. Ronaldson & Tippet N / Alfa Laval (1938) imported from Australia thanks to Reg Ingold, a Ruston & Hornsby PT (1949), 3 Bernards (1951) and a couple of Wolseley WD's (1960's). The "awaiting restoration" list is much bigger and has about 25 to 30 engines in it including a LeRoi twin cylinder, Bradford, more Bernards, about 5 Lister D's (including a 32 volt genset), 2 Lister LD aircooled diesels, about 8 or 9 Wolseleys (including 1 aircooled), 2 Moffat Virtues (will make 1), an aircooled Ronnie N, a few Villiers, a 1946 Briggs & Stratton genset, a Petter genset and some others. The only 2 engines that I really yearn for are a small Ruston & Hornsby PB and of course a John Deere E (1 1/2 H.P.). I'm not sure where they are at present but I do know that they have my name on them and will come home sooner or later. Maybe a hopper cooled Lister A will join them? The Wolseley R that I am currently busy with is probably the biggest I would want to go, I prefer the smaller engines. Of course, if I ever won the lottery that might change but to do that I would have to start buying tickets! I also have a Sunshine Harvester Sheller/Husker(complete and working but unrestored), a Ransomes Moon Corn Sheller (currently busy with restoration), A Massey Harris Pony (unrestored), a Massey Ferguson 35 Petrol Paraffin (in use), a Letz grinder (unrestored), a small hand operated Bentall corn grinder and a whole bunch of other beautiful old rusty things. Apart from the 2 tractors I have acquired all of these in the last 2 1/2 years so I think it's about time I stopped buying and started fixing. Considering that it takes me from 3 to 5 months to do an engine in my spare time (thank goodness I do not have a wife) I've got enough to keep me busy for a long time. The only problem is that the hobby is growing here and our scrap iron industry is thriving so when an engine appears you have to snap it up even if it is just to save it from those big melting pots in China. My webpage is here: Feel free to drop by and have a look. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jtray26 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 05:05:13 2006 From: jtray26 at yahoo.com (john ray) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 05:05:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <308.70cf415e.3283c3e0@aol.com> Message-ID: <20061109130513.32786.qmail@web54508.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom. Thanks very much for the heads-up...That sounds like one nasty dog :-) Tyler Germoamer at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/7/2006 12:36:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << You have nothing to fear from Twin, however. He is a mild mannered individual who loves children, kittens and his (much) younger wife >> Tyler, Dave conveniently forgot to tell you that "Twin" , however mild mannerly he may be, has a dog with titanium teeth well known for his ferocity. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. From edurand at iglou.com Thu Nov 9 07:14:08 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 09:14:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: <4552C936.7040600@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: Steve: That Sandwich looks like a good candidate for electrolysis. Use a cheap 12 Volt battery charger for the current source. Make the block the negative terminal and suspend a hunk of scrap in the hopper, insulated from it. Now, fill the hopper with warm water and, while stirring, add the electrolyte )one of several) until the current stops rising. Go away and leave it for a while. I'll bet that if you are patient, it will be clean as a whistle. Have a look here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff/Electrolysis.html Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve Gray > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:23 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Milker > > > Hi Tim - > > Luckily, this one does turn over, albeit, with > what feels like pure > STP in the crankcase. I already see the dreaded > little head bolts > looking up at me in the hopper! I can just about > imagine how much fun > that's going to be. The exhaust valve is stuck, > but everything else > seems to move anyway. For all I know at this > point, the rod could be in > more than one piece or the piston could have a > hole burned in it! ;-) > Anyway, I've got a month plus of Hot-Air engine > display clean up work > to do before I can get to the Sandwich. > > -- > Steve Gray From segray at bigvalley.net Thu Nov 9 09:05:05 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:05:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45535FC1.8020006@bigvalley.net> Mornin' Elden - For the time being, I'm hoping I don't have to resort to the "full on treatment" since the owner only wants to know the condition of what he's got and to see if it'll run. Plus, too, I got a bang out of the "Cow's Adopted Child" decal and who hate to destroy it completely without having a replacement available. Right now, as Tim mentioned earlier, the tough spot to deal with may be the head bolts down in the hopper. Electrolysis would be a good candidate there. Being fully enclosed, it appears there's no water in the bottom end, but looking at the dip stick, it's thick and black, typical of decades of dormancy. I kind of get the impression that the owner is looking for the "sale-ability" of the engine. Who knows, I might even get a change to put a bid in on it (like I need another lump of iron!), but first I have to play mechanic and spread it all over the shop. I've used electrolysis in limited cases and it does work well. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Elden DuRand wrote: >Steve: > >That Sandwich looks like a good candidate for electrolysis. Use a cheap 12 Volt battery charger for the current source. Make the block the negative terminal and suspend a hunk of scrap in the hopper, insulated from it. Now, fill the hopper with warm water and, while stirring, add the electrolyte )one of several) until the current stops rising. > >Go away and leave it for a while. I'll bet that if you are patient, it will be clean as a whistle. > >Have a look here: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff/Electrolysis.html > >Take care - Elden >edurand at iglou.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 09:33:07 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:33:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: <45535FC1.8020006@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Any ideas on getting (or making) replacement decals? I have a rather simple one (just black but don't trust myself to try to paint in the script it's in) that I'm SURE isn't available anywhere so am hesitant to repaint the machine. It's on the mast of an apparently very rare forklift; only 25 ever made I've read. Lew -----Original Message----- <> Plus, too, I got a bang out of the "Cow's Adopted Child" decal and who hate to destroy it completely without having a replacement available. <> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 9 09:28:56 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:28:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: Hi Lew, I think your best bet is to take a good high-resolution digital photo of the decal then clean the image up using something like PhotoShop. You may end up editing at the pixel-by-pixel level if there's a lot of detail. I think Dave Croft did that once for a Bessemer decal. Once you have a good, clean digital image, there are a number of vendors who can make the physical decal. If you go ahead with the process be sure to post your experience to the list. Good luck! See ya, Arnie PS - Have you considered leaving the original paint and decal on the machine and just "brightening things up" with boiled linseed oil? You can always sandblast and paint, but you can't replace an original finish and decal. You might be seriously reducing the value of your rare machine by repainting. Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Lew Best wrote: > Any ideas on getting (or making) replacement decals? I have a rather > simple one (just black but don't trust myself to try to paint in the > script it's in) that I'm SURE isn't available anywhere so am hesitant to > repaint the machine. It's on the mast of an apparently very rare > forklift; only 25 ever made I've read. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Nov 9 12:11:22 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:11:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. In-Reply-To: <200611091700.kA9H0462026585@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200611092217453.SM01752@new.databak.co.za> >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:56:13 -0000 >From: "Dave Croft" >Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. > >I was just looking though some old magazines & in a 1925 copy >of "The Mechanical Boy" they have printed a 1916 tale of a day in >the life of the Admiralty's engine room somewhere in Scotland. >I have printed it at >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2408324530028520097bGQwLN >I hope you enjoy it. (It can be enlarged on webshots) >Dave Croft Hi Dave, Looked like a good story but unfortunately the server "reset" while I was trying to read it and I lost the whole damn thing. I normally like to "save" the pic and read it offline but your "webshots" album is done with Macromedia Flash and this does not give me that option. On the previous webshots I could save the pic and study it at my leisure. Sorry friend, I really liked the start of the story but will probably never be able to read the rest (unless you email it to me). There are still are a number of us that do not have broadband - We live on the "blunt end" of the technological divide. Is there a way you could load it onto a normal website (ie. - not an "advertising supported" site so that the likes of me could also share it ? Sorry if I sound "cranky" but that's the way it is. I "HATE" webshots these days - it's just getting very "commercialised" - sorry, I liked the "old internet". Sorry for being "cranky" guys - I love all your posts and articles and always follow the links but I get a bit "pissed off" when I have to wait for advertising that is totally irrelevant to me and steals my money (Our Telkom "dial up" time) and makes me wait to see what I "clicked" . (No - I do NOT want to buy a condominium in the Everglades! - I just wanna see a pic of an old engine! - is that too much to ask?). I will never log on to any "webshots" site again (possibly my loss) but I'm "sick and tired" of using my connection time to read advertising that is totally irrelevant to me. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 12:26:08 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:26:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c7043d$58e49500$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Thanks Arnie I'd thought of the digital thing; probably the best shot at it. The paint is so bad though (lotsa rust showing through) I don't think it would clean up well. I can send you a pic on the back channel (think I have one already but from an angle) if you like. Actually (and ironically) I bought this to use; the rarity of it was an unknown bonus when I bought it. No interest in showing it; just prefer working with "presentable iron" rather than something that looks like junk. :) Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals Hi Lew, I think your best bet is to take a good high-resolution digital photo of the decal then clean the image up using something like PhotoShop. You may end up editing at the pixel-by-pixel level if there's a lot of detail. I think Dave Croft did that once for a Bessemer decal. Once you have a good, clean digital image, there are a number of vendors who can make the physical decal. If you go ahead with the process be sure to post your experience to the list. Good luck! See ya, Arnie PS - Have you considered leaving the original paint and decal on the machine and just "brightening things up" with boiled linseed oil? You can always sandblast and paint, but you can't replace an original finish and decal. You might be seriously reducing the value of your rare machine by repainting. Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Lew Best wrote: > Any ideas on getting (or making) replacement decals? I have a rather > simple one (just black but don't trust myself to try to paint in the > script it's in) that I'm SURE isn't available anywhere so am hesitant to > repaint the machine. It's on the mast of an apparently very rare > forklift; only 25 ever made I've read. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Nov 9 12:39:40 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:39:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> > you can't replace an original finish and >decal. You might be seriously reducing the value of your rare machine by >repainting. > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com Hi Arnie and others, reading this just reminded me of a conversation I had with Tom Lingard (the new hornsby reg guy) about his recent trip to the Uk, He was talking about some amazing paint finishes that he has seen were the owners have actually re-painted the whole engine to resemble an original "WORKING CLOTHES' look. Tom said that if he was not told that had been repainted he would never had known it not to be a top class example of an original as is engine. I will try and follow this up over the weekend as he was going to send a couple of pics to me showing the engines in question. Could be a good project for the game on an engine that really needs a paint job. Can't be that hard can it??? I often see new furniture with the antique look. Even my sister can do it and she's a girl!! ..... :-) cheers, Russell >_______________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 9 12:57:32 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:57:32 -0000 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. References: <200611092217453.SM01752@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <000301c70441$ae971230$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. Snip > Hi Dave, > Looked like a good story but unfortunately the server "reset" > while I was trying to read it and I lost the whole damn thing. > I normally like to "save" the pic and read it offline but your > "webshots" album is done with Macromedia Flash and this does not give me > that option. On the previous webshots I could save the pic and study it at > my leisure. > Sorry friend, I really liked the start of the story but will > probably never be able to read the rest (unless you email it to me). > There are still are a number of us that do not have broadband - We > live on the "blunt end" of the technological divide. Is there a way you > could load it onto a normal website (ie. - not an "advertising supported" > site so that the likes of me could also share it ? Big Snip > Jerry Evans Hi Jerry, I hope it isn't too big for you but I have posted it at http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/Engineers%20diary.jpg Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 9 12:33:33 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:33:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: G'day Russell, I would definitely be interested in hearing the details. Tommy Turner once told me that he's mixed a small amount of paint into a boiled linseed oil / mineral spirits mix to add a bit of color. He says that it matched the original worn finish very nicely. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Hi Arnie and others, reading this just reminded me of a conversation > I had with Tom Lingard (the new hornsby reg guy) about his recent > trip to the Uk, He was talking about some amazing paint finishes that > he has seen were the owners have actually re-painted the whole engine > to resemble an original "WORKING CLOTHES' look. Tom said that if he > was not told that had been repainted he would never had known it not > to be a top class example of an original as is engine. I will try > and follow this up over the weekend as he was going to send a couple > of pics to me showing the engines in question. Could be a good > project for the game on an engine that really needs a paint job. > Can't be that hard can it??? I often see new furniture with the > antique look. Even my sister can do it and she's a girl!! ..... :-) From dleis at centurytel.net Thu Nov 9 15:17:25 2006 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:17:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & miss Message-ID: <001b01c70455$379b3bc0$0501a8c0@computer> Hi List I was wondering how long you guys have waited for parts from Hit & miss enterprises? I have been waited for a month and half I called Ed and he said they have been backed up. thank you Stacy From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 9 04:58:47 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 06:58:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More Mailbox & Yard Pictures References: <657443.59394.qm@web55912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004801c703fe$cc79cf60$240110ac@FAMILY> Darn Mick this looks like a small show, what a display. Thanks for sending in the pictures, it is greatly appreciated. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Demaria" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] More Mailbox & Yard Pictures > Hi Paul, > Here's a link to a front lawn display I passed > outside of Hudson, ME a couple of years ago. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/maine/lawn.html > > > Mick > > > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Nov 9 14:13:37 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:13:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Gade Castings In-Reply-To: <003401c6fba1$dfee2330$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: Hello friends, I'm still trying to help a friend find castings for a 6 hp Gade fuel pump and mixer. Someone last year was casting Gade parts and I was hoping to find them. It appears to me from my limited knowledge of patternmaking that both parts will require a pattern and a core box and can't just use the parts off my engine for a pattern. So if anyone remembers who posted Gade parts last year please let me know. Thanks, Steve _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more?then map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001 From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Thu Nov 9 14:19:57 2006 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:19:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] next years date Message-ID: <006e01c7044d$32436920$b684e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi everyone, Trying to crunch some dates for next year, am I right in assuming that mount pleasant follows on from portland. That would make it portland 22-26 august then mount pleasant august 29 september 2nd ? thanks Craig in Scotland From glenn.karch at verizon.net Thu Nov 9 14:56:30 2006 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:56:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] next years date References: <006e01c7044d$32436920$b684e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <003c01c70452$4ca13090$58bd123f@D8LJ7K91> Craig, You are right on. Those are the correct 2007 dates. Lord willing, I will see you at both of them. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [SEL] next years date Hi everyone, Trying to crunch some dates for next year, am I right in assuming that mount pleasant follows on from portland. That would make it portland 22-26 august then mount pleasant august 29 september 2nd ? thanks Craig in Scotland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Nov 9 15:55:09 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:55:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <20061109235510.35854.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lew Let me do some checking. I know I saw one that someone in Sandwich, IL had made. I was in posession of it at one time and I still might have it. We have 14-19 on the Sandwich Registry from what I can tell (I need to get an update from the keeper of the registry - almost 1 year from the last update). I am sure that more tan 25 were produced. Probably more in the 2k range base on serial numbers that have been seen. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/enginelist.htm Steve --- Lew Best wrote: Any ideas on getting (or making) replacement decals? I have a rather simple one (just black but don't trust myself to try to paint in the script it's in) that I'm SURE isn't available anywhere so am hesitant to repaint the machine. It's on the mast of an apparently very rare forklift; only 25 ever made I've read. Lew From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 9 15:55:35 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:55:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <001601c7043d$58e49500$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> References: <001601c7043d$58e49500$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <0A8C0342-D7A7-43A2-AC2A-2E101F2D01CA@rustyiron.com> On Nov 9, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Lew Best wrote: > I'd thought of the digital thing; probably the best shot at it. The > paint is so bad though (lotsa rust showing through) I don't think it > would clean up well. I can send you a pic on the back channel > (think I > have one already but from an angle) if you like. Actually (and > ironically) I bought this to use; the rarity of it was an unknown > bonus > when I bought it. No interest in showing it; just prefer working with > "presentable iron" rather than something that looks like junk. :) Hi Lew, If it doesn't clean up well, might be easier to make a new one from scratch. Look at the letters, colors and layout, and use something like Illustrator or Photoshop to make something similar. Here are a couple that I've done for t-shirts: http://engines.rustyiron.com/lorenz/lorenz-logo.gif This one uses a LOT of artistic license, but has the basic look of an original logo. One chap bagged it off the web page and made decals for his engine. http://engines.rustyiron.com/commercial/commercial-logo.jpg This one is very close to the original. In fact, it's better. It's fooled experts. Using graphic programs is hard to learn, but there are plenty of online resources for learning the basics. Rob From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 16:11:53 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:11:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: <20061109235510.35854.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004a01c7045c$d4763f10$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Thanks Steve We got off track here; this is not for a Sandwich engine but a forklift that's rare; I just need a coupla decals like it has on it. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Barr Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Milker Lew Let me do some checking. I know I saw one that someone in Sandwich, IL had made. I was in posession of it at one time and I still might have it. We have 14-19 on the Sandwich Registry from what I can tell (I need to get an update from the keeper of the registry - almost 1 year from the last update). I am sure that more tan 25 were produced. Probably more in the 2k range base on serial numbers that have been seen. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/enginelist.htm Steve --- Lew Best wrote: Any ideas on getting (or making) replacement decals? I have a rather simple one (just black but don't trust myself to try to paint in the script it's in) that I'm SURE isn't available anywhere so am hesitant to repaint the machine. It's on the mast of an apparently very rare forklift; only 25 ever made I've read. Lew _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 16:14:32 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:14:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <0A8C0342-D7A7-43A2-AC2A-2E101F2D01CA@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <004b01c7045d$334f67a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Thanx Rob I have Photoshop but know only the very elementary tasks with it. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals On Nov 9, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Lew Best wrote: > I'd thought of the digital thing; probably the best shot at it. The > paint is so bad though (lotsa rust showing through) I don't think it > would clean up well. I can send you a pic on the back channel > (think I > have one already but from an angle) if you like. Actually (and > ironically) I bought this to use; the rarity of it was an unknown > bonus > when I bought it. No interest in showing it; just prefer working with > "presentable iron" rather than something that looks like junk. :) Hi Lew, If it doesn't clean up well, might be easier to make a new one from scratch. Look at the letters, colors and layout, and use something like Illustrator or Photoshop to make something similar. Here are a couple that I've done for t-shirts: http://engines.rustyiron.com/lorenz/lorenz-logo.gif This one uses a LOT of artistic license, but has the basic look of an original logo. One chap bagged it off the web page and made decals for his engine. http://engines.rustyiron.com/commercial/commercial-logo.jpg This one is very close to the original. In fact, it's better. It's fooled experts. Using graphic programs is hard to learn, but there are plenty of online resources for learning the basics. Rob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 9 16:17:11 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:17:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: On Nov 9, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > I would definitely be interested in hearing the details. > Tommy Turner once told me that he's mixed a small amount of paint into > a boiled linseed oil / mineral spirits mix to add a bit of color. > He says > that it matched the original worn finish very nicely. I've done individual parts using variants of the following technique with very good results. The exact technique you use will depend on what you're trying to match or the look you're trying to achieve. 1. Paint the part using your regular technique, using high quality paint, and let it dry. 2. Using a wide-flame torch, heat the part to where the paint starts to "uglify." Slop the area with diesel fuel or old motor oil. Let it cook and keep playing the flame on the area. You want to remove any shine on the new paint, stain it to some degree, or maybe even bubble it in places. Keep going until the entire part or engine is "uglified." 3. After everything cools, wipe off all the slop. Now rub on some stove polish. 4. Rub down the engine again using wadded up newspaper. That's all there is to it. If you like the look of original engines, two things you cannot do without are linseed oil and stove polish. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner www.rustyiron.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 9 16:18:09 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:18:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust Message-ID: <006d01c7045d$b5442480$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I was wondering if anyone had used phosphoric acid to derust? I have some phosphoric acid and was thinking of using it in the bottom of my Stover Block (base) where the oil sump is. Over the years water had condensed in this area and there is a pretty good rust area for about 2" on the inside of the crankcase. If anyone has used Phosphoric Acid I would like to know what strength you used, did you cut it with water, about how long did you leave it on the metal and what did you neutralize it with. Thanks, Paul From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 9 17:17:56 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:17:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <004b01c7045d$334f67a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> References: <004b01c7045d$334f67a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <92A27026-1E83-4033-86D7-EF12F495401A@rustyiron.com> On Nov 9, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Lew Best wrote: > Thanx Rob > > I have Photoshop but know only the very elementary tasks with it. > > Lew > Hi Lew, Can you remind us where the picture is with the decal? Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 9 17:41:18 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:41:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & miss In-Reply-To: <001b01c70455$379b3bc0$0501a8c0@computer> References: <001b01c70455$379b3bc0$0501a8c0@computer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061109203742.042de800@mail.alltel.net> From time to time I know that Ed gets backed up a bit--but 45 days seems a bit long! Give him another call and ask when he will ship your parts. Is it possible that the parts are back ordered and not simply "backed up?" Hit & Miss does not make all of the parts that they sell. Dave At 06:17 PM 11/9/2006, you wrote: >Hi List > I was wondering how long you guys have waited for parts from Hit & miss > enterprises? I have been waited for a month and half I called Ed and he > said they have been backed up. thank you > > Stacy From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Nov 9 18:30:39 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:30:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & miss References: <001b01c70455$379b3bc0$0501a8c0@computer> <6.1.2.0.0.20061109203742.042de800@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <009801c70470$36d6e610$64d84c0c@D48VHZ61> I've ordered before and they would tell me something along the lines of out of stock---take a week or 2 to make the item. If it's a big, slow moving project maybe they could send what they have and send the rest later---you may have to pay 2 shipping charges though. At least that way your project doesn't start to rust all over again!!!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & miss > From time to time I know that Ed gets backed up a bit--but 45 days seems a > bit long! Give him another call and ask when he will ship your parts. Is > it possible that the parts are back ordered and not simply "backed up?" > Hit & Miss does not make all of the parts that they sell. > Dave > > At 06:17 PM 11/9/2006, you wrote: >>Hi List >> I was wondering how long you guys have waited for parts from Hit & miss >> enterprises? I have been waited for a month and half I called Ed and he >> said they have been backed up. thank you >> >> Stacy > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 19:27:07 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:27:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <92A27026-1E83-4033-86D7-EF12F495401A@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <000e01c70478$1b23b4e0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> I haven't posted it; was just following another mention of decals. I'll post it on photobucket & the link in a few minutes. I've been kinda secretive on having this machine; would hate for it to "disappear" if some "wrong folks" not on the group intercepted an email. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals On Nov 9, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Lew Best wrote: > Thanx Rob > > I have Photoshop but know only the very elementary tasks with it. > > Lew > Hi Lew, Can you remind us where the picture is with the decal? Rob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 19:50:24 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:50:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <000e01c70478$1b23b4e0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <000f01c7047b$5b96b380$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Ok; pic of my mast/decal posted at http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/lewbest/jd/mast01.jpg; click on the thumbnail to enlarge. Name Henry on the mast; kinda block letters but not exactly. May as well let yall see what I got; not anywhere this nice & on a 420 where this site says they were built on 430's or 440's. http://www.johnnypopper.com/weirddeere/Forklifts.html If you'll click on the image of the 440 bout half way down the page it looks like mine but the tag on mine definitely says 420U. Mine is the typical green & yellow (what paint is left). Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lew Best Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:27 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals I haven't posted it; was just following another mention of decals. I'll post it on photobucket & the link in a few minutes. I've been kinda secretive on having this machine; would hate for it to "disappear" if some "wrong folks" not on the group intercepted an email. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals On Nov 9, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Lew Best wrote: > Thanx Rob > > I have Photoshop but know only the very elementary tasks with it. > > Lew > Hi Lew, Can you remind us where the picture is with the decal? Rob -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From falcon at telenet.net Thu Nov 9 20:05:40 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:05:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <006d01c7045d$b5442480$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <006d01c7045d$b5442480$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <4553FA94.1050609@telenet.net> Paul Maples wrote: > Folks I was wondering if anyone had used phosphoric acid to derust? I have some phosphoric acid and was thinking of using it in the bottom of my Stover Block (base) where the oil sump is. Over the years water had condensed in this area and there is a pretty good rust area for about 2" on the inside of the crankcase. > > If anyone has used Phosphoric Acid I would like to know what strength you used, did you cut it with water, about how long did you leave it on the metal and what did you neutralize it with. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Yep, Navel Jelly is Phosphoric acid made into a gel. The stuff used in many body shops as a rust neutralizer is also Phosphoric acid reduced down with water. Metal-Prep 79 is what I use in the shop as a panel prep to prevent light rust when working with bare metal. It is 95% Phosphoric acid with a couple other chemicals. On heavy rust it gets diluted very little (1 pint of water to one gallon of acid) with water. Light overnight rust gets a spritz with the bottle of a reverse mix. Then wiped off and dried. Immersion bath gets 1 quart MP79 to 3 quarts water. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From oiseming at moscow.com Thu Nov 9 21:05:57 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:05:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <006d01c7045d$b5442480$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <200611100506.kAA56GN4099742@mail-gw.fsr.net> Paul -- I've used phosphoric acid to remove light rust. I use it full strength. Sometimes I'll neutralize it by putting it into my electrolytic vat. Other times I'll not neutralize it, but wash it off, instead, and then apply one of the metal prep solutions, such as Ospho or Metal Ready. For your crankcase, I'd suggest either molasses or a solution of salt and vinegar. Just dissolve as much salt as you can in the vinegar and pour the solution into your crankcase. It would be cheaper than phosphoric acid and you probably have already have the supplies you need for the job. IMHO, you'll have a slower, more controllable reaction with molasses or salt/vinegar. After de-rusting, I'd passivate the surface with Ospho, or similar. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust Folks I was wondering if anyone had used phosphoric acid to derust? I have some phosphoric acid and was thinking of using it in the bottom of my Stover Block (base) where the oil sump is. Over the years water had condensed in this area and there is a pretty good rust area for about 2" on the inside of the crankcase. If anyone has used Phosphoric Acid I would like to know what strength you used, did you cut it with water, about how long did you leave it on the metal and what did you neutralize it with. Thanks, Paul From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 9 22:13:41 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:13:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Russell, tom also told me about that, i think he mentioned wayne timms,would be nice to see a picture of these,and by the way i hope your sister is a girl or you have problems!!!!!,Dave >From: Russell Gilbert >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] original paint >Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:39:40 +1100 > > >> you can't replace an original finish and >>decal. You might be seriously reducing the value of your rare machine by >>repainting. >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com > >Hi Arnie and others, reading this just reminded me of a conversation I had >with Tom Lingard (the new hornsby reg guy) about his recent trip to the Uk, >He was talking about some amazing paint finishes that he has seen were the >owners have actually re-painted the whole engine to resemble an original >"WORKING CLOTHES' look. Tom said that if he was not told that had been >repainted he would never had known it not to be a top class example of an >original as is engine. I will try and follow this up over the weekend as >he was going to send a couple of pics to me showing the engines in >question. Could be a good project for the game on an engine that really >needs a paint job. Can't be that hard can it??? I often see new furniture >with the antique look. Even my sister can do it and she's a girl!! ..... >:-) > >cheers, Russell > > > > >>_______________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: House hunt online now! http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Erealestate%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dres%26cu%3DMSN&_t=758874163&_r=HM_EndText_Nov06&_m=EXT From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 9 22:15:33 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:15:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <000f01c7047b$5b96b380$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> References: <000f01c7047b$5b96b380$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: On Nov 9, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Lew Best wrote: > Ok; pic of my mast/decal posted at > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/lewbest/jd/mast01.jpg; click on > the thumbnail to enlarge. Name Henry on the mast; kinda block letters > but not exactly. Hi Lew, It looks like your letters are hand painted. The shapes look a little distorted and the drop shadow isn't quite right. It looks like the N and the R might be seriffed, but I can't tell for sure. Dig this. It's an Arial Bold font, stretched a little, outlined, and drop shadowed. http://www.rustyiron.com/sisterdisco/lew.jpg You can buy assorted sticker stock at any of the office product stores. Of those I've tried, the bumper sticker material seems to work best. I've also found that 1-Shot UV resistant clear coat does a nice job as a finish over the stickers once their applied. It's not as good as a professional job, but it's something you can whip up at home rather inexpensively. Rob From gibsongus at myway.com Thu Nov 9 22:24:55 2006 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:24:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & miss Message-ID: <20061110062455.10AB499E1B@mprdmxin.myway.com> Dave I just got some stuff from Hit &Miss and they said it would be two weeks I don't know if they meant two wks. from the time I ordered or if it meant two wks. before they got around to getting it ready??? it took three wks. for it to get here...-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 11/09, Dave Rotigel < rotigel at alltel.net > wrote: From: Dave Rotigel [mailto: rotigel at alltel.net]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:41:18 -0500Subject: Re: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & missFrom time to time I know that Ed gets backed up a bit--but 45 days seems a bit long! Give him another call and ask when he will ship your parts. Is it possible that the parts are back ordered and not simply "backed up?" Hit & Miss does not make all of the parts that they sell.DaveAt 06:17 PM 11/9/2006, you wrote:>Hi List> I was wondering how long you guys have waited for parts from Hit & miss > enterprises? I have been waited for a month and half I called Ed and he > said they have been backed up. thank you>> Stacy_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From segray at bigvalley.net Thu Nov 9 22:35:43 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:35:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: <004a01c7045c$d4763f10$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> References: <004a01c7045c$d4763f10$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <45541DBF.90408@bigvalley.net> Hi Steve - I started the thread with the Sandwich vacuum (milker) engine, that's how the Sandwich name came up. Have you seen any of the Pine Tree Milker decals for the Sandwich? Be interesting if it/they are available. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Lew Best wrote: >Thanks Steve > >We got off track here; this is not for a Sandwich engine but a forklift >that's rare; I just need a coupla decals like it has on it. > >Lew > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Barr >Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:55 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] Milker > >Lew > >Let me do some checking. I know I saw one that someone in Sandwich, IL >had made. I was in posession of it at one time and I still might have >it. > >We have 14-19 on the Sandwich Registry from what I can tell (I need to >get >an update from the keeper of the registry - almost 1 year from the last >update). I am sure that more tan 25 were produced. Probably more in >the >2k range base on serial numbers that have been seen. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/enginelist.htm > >Steve > > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Nov 10 01:38:26 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:38:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061110203721.01b845d0@ncable.com.au> Gee Dave I was about to say "Last time I looked" ! But this is a family website so I wont go there? cheers, Russ At 05:13 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote: >Hi Russell, tom also told me about that, i think he mentioned wayne >timms,would be nice to see a picture of these,and by the way i hope >your sister is a girl or you have problems!!!!!,Dave > > >>From: Russell Gilbert >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] original paint >>Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:39:40 +1100 >> >> >>> you can't replace an original finish and >>>decal. You might be seriously reducing the value of your rare machine by >>>repainting. >>> >>>Arnie Fero >>>Pittsburgh, PA >>>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>Hi Arnie and others, reading this just reminded me of a >>conversation I had with Tom Lingard (the new hornsby reg guy) about >>his recent trip to the Uk, He was talking about some amazing paint >>finishes that he has seen were the owners have actually re-painted >>the whole engine to resemble an original "WORKING CLOTHES' >>look. Tom said that if he was not told that had been repainted he >>would never had known it not to be a top class example of an >>original as is engine. I will try and follow this up over the >>weekend as he was going to send a couple of pics to me showing the >>engines in question. Could be a good project for the game on an >>engine that really needs a paint job. Can't be that hard can it??? >>I often see new furniture with the antique look. Even my sister can >>do it and she's a girl!! ..... :-) >> >>cheers, Russell >> >> >> >> >>>_______________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_________________________________________________________________ >Advertisement: House hunt online now! >http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Erealestate%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dres%26cu%3DMSN&_t=758874163&_r=HM_EndText_Nov06&_m=EXT > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Nov 10 03:28:53 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:28:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Wot's stove polish? And does the quality of the final result depend on the politics of the newspaper that you use? We have two available here in the 'burgh. One is very liberal / Democratic and the other is very conservative / Republican. I'd hate to get the wrong result by using the wrong newspaper. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Rob Skinner wrote: > 3. After everything cools, wipe off all the slop. Now rub on some > stove polish. > > 4. Rub down the engine again using wadded up newspaper. > > That's all there is to it. If you like the look of original engines, > two things you cannot do without are linseed oil and stove polish. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 10 04:16:47 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:16:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust References: <200611100506.kAA56GN4099742@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <001e01c704c2$1867a280$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Orrin, I have (2) quarts of the phosphoric acid (80% strength) and since I have them I thought I would go ahead and use them. Would you use the acid at the 80% strength or reduce it's strength? Never heard of Ospho or Metal Ready, are these products available at local hardware stores like Ace? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:05 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust > Paul -- > > I've used phosphoric acid to remove light rust. I use it full strength. > Sometimes I'll neutralize it by putting it into my electrolytic vat. > Other > times I'll not neutralize it, but wash it off, instead, and then apply one > of the metal prep solutions, such as Ospho or Metal Ready. > > For your crankcase, I'd suggest either molasses or a solution of salt and > vinegar. Just dissolve as much salt as you can in the vinegar and pour > the > solution into your crankcase. It would be cheaper than phosphoric acid > and > you probably have already have the supplies you need for the job. > > IMHO, you'll have a slower, more controllable reaction with molasses or > salt/vinegar. > > After de-rusting, I'd passivate the surface with Ospho, or similar. > > Regards, > > Orrin > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Nov 10 03:41:57 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:41:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <000e01c70478$1b23b4e0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> References: <000e01c70478$1b23b4e0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: Gee Lew, I never would have guessed there was that big a market in collectable forklifts. Learn something new every day... See ya, Arnie On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Lew Best wrote: > I haven't posted it; was just following another mention of decals. I'll > post it on photobucket & the link in a few minutes. I've been kinda > secretive on having this machine; would hate for it to "disappear" if > some "wrong folks" not on the group intercepted an email. From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 10 05:16:53 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:16:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <4553FA94.1050609@telenet.net> References: <006d01c7045d$b5442480$240110ac@FAMILY> <4553FA94.1050609@telenet.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061110081610.042e5e48@mail.alltel.net> REMEMBER, "Do what you otter, add acid to water!" Dave At 11:05 PM 11/9/2006, you wrote: >Paul Maples wrote: >>Folks I was wondering if anyone had used phosphoric acid to derust? I >>have some phosphoric acid and was thinking of using it in the bottom of >>my Stover Block (base) where the oil sump is. Over the years water had >>condensed in this area and there is a pretty good rust area for about 2" >>on the inside of the crankcase. >>If anyone has used Phosphoric Acid I would like to know what strength you >>used, did you cut it with water, about how long did you leave it on the >>metal and what did you neutralize it with. >>Thanks, >>Paul >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Yep, Navel Jelly is Phosphoric acid made into a gel. The stuff used in >many body shops as a rust neutralizer is also Phosphoric acid reduced down >with water. Metal-Prep 79 is what I use in the shop as a panel prep to >prevent light rust when working with bare metal. It is 95% Phosphoric acid >with a couple other chemicals. > >On heavy rust it gets diluted very little (1 pint of water to one gallon >of acid) with water. Light overnight rust gets a spritz with the bottle of >a reverse mix. Then wiped off and dried. >Immersion bath gets 1 quart MP79 to 3 quarts water. > >-- >Steve W. >Near Cooperstown, New York From rwenig at telus.net Fri Nov 10 05:25:14 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:25:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <200611100506.kAA56GN4099742@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200611100506.kAA56GN4099742@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <45547DBA.6080202@telus.net> I'm trying to clean up some items that went through a fire and sat outside for a year or so. I haven't had much luck using molasses to remove rust. I must have had the wrong mixture. What percentages of molasses and water do you use? Rupert Orrin Iseminger wrote: > > For your crankcase, I'd suggest either molasses or a solution of salt and > vinegar. Just dissolve as much salt as you can in the vinegar and pour the > solution into your crankcase. It would be cheaper than phosphoric acid and > you probably have already have the supplies you need for the job. > > IMHO, you'll have a slower, more controllable reaction with molasses or > salt/vinegar. > > After de-rusting, I'd passivate the surface with Ospho, or similar. > > Regards, > > Orrin > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Nov 10 06:17:29 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:17:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c704d2$f600f690$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Don't know if there is or not but would hate to lose it! Probably collectors for most anything. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:42 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals Gee Lew, I never would have guessed there was that big a market in collectable forklifts. Learn something new every day... See ya, Arnie On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Lew Best wrote: > I haven't posted it; was just following another mention of decals. I'll > post it on photobucket & the link in a few minutes. I've been kinda > secretive on having this machine; would hate for it to "disappear" if > some "wrong folks" not on the group intercepted an email. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 06:27:17 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:27:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160611100627n568c8187td7d436af342d904a@mail.gmail.com> On 10/11/06, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Wot's stove polish? And does the quality of the final result depend on > the politics of the newspaper that you use? We have two available here > in the 'burgh. One is very liberal / Democratic and the other is very > conservative / Republican. I'd hate to get the wrong result by using the > wrong newspaper. > > See ya, Arnie > Sometimes known as 'Hearth Blacking'. It's still sold for the old cast-iron solid fuel stoves. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Nov 10 07:48:45 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:48:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: On Nov 10, 2006, at 3:28 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Wot's stove polish? Stove polish is a wax based goop that is really, really black. It's like furniture wax for cast iron. Don't wear rubber gloves when you use it. The stuff I use is made by Rutland. You can google it, or call your fireplace store, or call Rutland direct at 800-544-1307 if you want to buy it by the case. Two tubes should last you a while. > One is very liberal / Democratic and the other is very > conservative / Republican. I've never seen the latter. Rob From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Nov 10 10:09:40 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:09:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <001e01c704c2$1867a280$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <200611101809.kAAI9mFu069892@mail-gw.fsr.net> Paul, I would feel uneasy about using the phosphoric acid at full strength in your oil sump. The acid not only reacts with the rust, it vigorously goes after the base metal, as well. Someone else posted a recommended dilution. I suggest you use it. Yes, a paint store or the paint department of a hardware store should have Ospho, or a similar product. It consists of phosphoric acid and "metal salts." I don't know the chemical implication of those metal salts, but they certainly make a big difference. I've de-rusted with phosphoric acid without any follow-up passivation. After a few weeks I had worse rust than what I started with. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust Thanks Orrin, I have (2) quarts of the phosphoric acid (80% strength) and since I have them I thought I would go ahead and use them. Would you use the acid at the 80% strength or reduce it's strength? Never heard of Ospho or Metal Ready, are these products available at local hardware stores like Ace? From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Nov 10 10:14:06 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:14:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <45547DBA.6080202@telus.net> Message-ID: <200611101814.kAAIEEtX076430@mail-gw.fsr.net> I've tried de-rusting things that have been through a fire. Some of the scale seems impervious to anything I threw at it, including electrolysis, acid, and abrasive blasting. The recommendation I've seen for dilution is one part molasses to 3 or 4 parts water. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rupert Wenig Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:25 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust I'm trying to clean up some items that went through a fire and sat outside for a year or so. I haven't had much luck using molasses to remove rust. I must have had the wrong mixture. What percentages of molasses and water do you use? Rupert Orrin Iseminger wrote: > > For your crankcase, I'd suggest either molasses or a solution of salt and > vinegar. Just dissolve as much salt as you can in the vinegar and pour the > solution into your crankcase. It would be cheaper than phosphoric acid and > you probably have already have the supplies you need for the job. > > IMHO, you'll have a slower, more controllable reaction with molasses or > salt/vinegar. > > After de-rusting, I'd passivate the surface with Ospho, or similar. > > Regards, > > Orrin > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Fri Nov 10 11:11:30 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:11:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c704fc$15f9ca70$0401a8c0@FAMILYROOM> One other method that comes to mind would be to have a sign shop cut them out on the CNC vinyl cutter. If the letters are solid black this should be a piece of cake. They may already have a font that would be close enough. It would also be pretty easy to generate the art work from scratch in a CAD program using the digital picture as a template. I did this for a very old Delta scroll saw that I restored for my dad. I can put some pictures up on my web shots page if any one wants to see. I could possibly help with the CAD work if you like. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:16 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals > > > On Nov 9, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Lew Best wrote: > > > Ok; pic of my mast/decal posted at > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/lewbest/jd/mast01.jpg; click on > > the thumbnail to enlarge. Name Henry on the mast; kinda block letters > > but not exactly. > > > Hi Lew, > It looks like your letters are hand painted. The shapes look a > little distorted and the drop shadow isn't quite right. It looks > like the N and the R might be seriffed, but I can't tell for sure. > > Dig this. It's an Arial Bold font, stretched a little, outlined, and > drop shadowed. > http://www.rustyiron.com/sisterdisco/lew.jpg > > You can buy assorted sticker stock at any of the office product > stores. Of those I've tried, the bumper sticker material seems to > work best. I've also found that 1-Shot UV resistant clear coat does > a nice job as a finish over the stickers once their applied. > > It's not as good as a professional job, but it's something you can > whip up at home rather inexpensively. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 10 14:17:15 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 09:17:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals References: <001901c704d2$f600f690$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <001a01c70515$fb63eaf0$03476c3a@Edd> I have two old Towmotor fork lifts and use them a lot.When I got the first one I looked up on the net and found that people do seem to collect them.The Towmotors being US built fit in with my collecting theme of US engines of which I have 36 different manufactures the latest being a 3HP Appleton and it is the only one I know of here in Australia at the moment.I had been trying to get this engine for some time and it finally worked out. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Best" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 1:17 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals > Don't know if there is or not but would hate to lose it! Probably > collectors for most anything. > > Lew > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:42 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals > > Gee Lew, > > I never would have guessed there was that big a market in collectable > forklifts. Learn something new every day... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Lew Best wrote: > >> I haven't posted it; was just following another mention of decals. > I'll >> post it on photobucket & the link in a few minutes. I've been kinda >> secretive on having this machine; would hate for it to "disappear" if >> some "wrong folks" not on the group intercepted an email. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: > 11/9/2006 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Nov 10 16:22:30 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:22:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916/webshots In-Reply-To: <200611101700.kAAH04JC025107@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20061111004234.00acf928@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:57:32 -0000 >From: "Dave Croft" > >Hi Jerry, I hope it isn't too big for you but I have posted it at >http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/Engineers%20diary.jpg >Dave Croft Hi Dave, Thanks for going to the trouble - I got it and enjoyed it. 300 H.P. and 250 H.P. in 1916 must have been something to behold. In the meantime I had help and advice from Larry Evans and can now also get it off webshots but it is still slower than a non advertising supported site. Dolly also gave me some advice a week or 2 ago and I went and had a look at the Firefox plugins page. I found an ad blocker there which installed very quickly and easily and does seem to help a bit with speed but I still cannot stand Webshots :-) As a point of interest Webshots shows up completely differently in Firefox to what it looks like in Netscape or IE. The main thing is that the small row of Icons at the bottom of the pic does not show at all in Firefox (mine at least) and this has probably been one of my main problems. Larry mentioned that he clicked on the magnifier to show the image full size (which also breaks it out of the "Flash" thing) and could then right click and "Save Image" so I looked around the page and found a text link in the top right that does the same - thereafter the pic loads and I can see (and save) it. In Netscape if I hover the pointer over one of these icons (mouseover) a small text description of the icons purpose shows yet this does not happen in IE unless I refresh the page. this may have to do with the ads trying to load At the bottom of one of these posts from SEL (I get the digest so it will be in the last 24 hours) I see someone in the States advertising broadband from $13.33/month. This is about 1/4 of what my slow dialup connection here in S.A. costs and then I still have the per minute rate to pay to the Telkom. I estimate that it costs me approximately ZAR 900.00 ($125.00 approx) for the privilege of being able to access the Internet. Broadband will cost me about 3 to 4 times as much. Our problem is that there is only 1 fixed line telephone provider here and it is a monopoly (not only that but the government is the main shareholder) and they charge what they like. Our telephone charges have skyrocketed in the last 6 or 7 years for the simple reason that there has been pressure on the government to allow a second fixed line operator so the existing one has just pushed up prices to allow them to "improve" their network at our cost. They agreed to allow a second operator about 5 or 6 years ago but the existing operator has been blocking and stalling them with legal action and court cases and suchlike. A second operator has now been named but it will still take them years to roll out their network and it will only start in the bigger centres so may take a very long time to reach us out here in the country. I've been connecting to the internet since 1991 when it was still just bulletin boards and a 14.4 Kbps modem on an XT. IE was not even around yet and spam was something that you ate from a tin. A local call cost about 29c (thats 4c US at todays rates) irrespective of how long you were connected. Since then I (and all South Africans) have had to endure skyrocketing prices and a service that has been getting worse and worse. So please forgive me if I sometimes get cranky about internet connections. It's probably aimed at our rip off telephone company. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Nov 10 08:26:46 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:26:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses In-Reply-To: <45547DBA.6080202@telus.net> References: <200611100506.kAA56GN4099742@mail-gw.fsr.net> <45547DBA.6080202@telus.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20061110082321.05d7aec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Rupert, I've had good success with about 15 parts of water to 1 part of molasses. It won't work if there is oil or grease covering the rust. Regards, Larry At 05:25 AM 11/10/2006, you wrote: > I'm trying to clean up some items that went through a fire and > sat outside for a year or so. I haven't had much luck using molasses to > remove rust. I must have had the wrong mixture. What percentages of > molasses and water do you use? > > >Rupert > >Orrin Iseminger wrote: >>For your crankcase, I'd suggest either molasses or a solution of salt and >>vinegar. Just dissolve as much salt as you can in the vinegar and pour the >>solution into your crankcase. It would be cheaper than phosphoric acid and >>you probably have already have the supplies you need for the job. >>IMHO, you'll have a slower, more controllable reaction with molasses or >>salt/vinegar. >>After de-rusting, I'd passivate the surface with Ospho, or similar. >>Regards, >>Orrin >-- >yvt > >Rupert Wenig >Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 10 10:58:40 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:58:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust References: <200611101809.kAAI9mFu069892@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <004f01c704fa$3d45fb00$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Orrin, all of this has made me a bit leery. I think I will wait until tomorrow before trying it to see if I get any more advice or recommendations tonight. I also think I will ask the guys on SmokStak (some of which are also list members) what if any experience that they have had using phosphoric acid. I really appreciate your help and recommendations. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust > Paul, I would feel uneasy about using the phosphoric acid at full strength > in your oil sump. The acid not only reacts with the rust, it vigorously > goes after the base metal, as well. Someone else posted a recommended > dilution. I suggest you use it. > > Yes, a paint store or the paint department of a hardware store should have > Ospho, or a similar product. It consists of phosphoric acid and "metal > salts." I don't know the chemical implication of those metal salts, but > they certainly make a big difference. I've de-rusted with phosphoric acid > From rwenig at telus.net Fri Nov 10 16:26:09 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:26:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <200611101814.kAAIEEtX076430@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200611101814.kAAIEEtX076430@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <455518A1.5070709@telus.net> Thanks. The mixture I tried was about 3 parts molasses to one part water. Mold grew on it in short order. Will try it again but at the proper mixture this time. I'm experimenting with condensate collected from an energy efficient boiler. This water is supposed to be acidic. It appears promising but it's too soon to tell yet how well it works. What I know at this time is the water turns brown and crud collects at the bottom of the pail. My test iron sample was through a fire. Have some cast iron in the water now that didn't get so hot. Rupert Orrin Iseminger wrote: > I've tried de-rusting things that have been through a fire. Some of the > scale seems impervious to anything I threw at it, including electrolysis, > acid, and abrasive blasting. > > The recommendation I've seen for dilution is one part molasses to 3 or 4 > parts water. > > Regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rupert Wenig > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:25 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust > > I'm trying to clean up some items that went through a fire and sat > outside for a year or so. I haven't had much luck using molasses to > remove rust. I must have had the wrong mixture. What percentages of > molasses and water do you use? > > > Rupert > > Orrin Iseminger wrote: >> For your crankcase, I'd suggest either molasses or a solution of salt and >> vinegar. Just dissolve as much salt as you can in the vinegar and pour > the >> solution into your crankcase. It would be cheaper than phosphoric acid > and >> you probably have already have the supplies you need for the job. >> >> IMHO, you'll have a slower, more controllable reaction with molasses or >> salt/vinegar. >> >> After de-rusting, I'd passivate the surface with Ospho, or similar. >> >> Regards, >> >> Orrin >> > -- > yvt > > Rupert Wenig > Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > > http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From rwenig at telus.net Fri Nov 10 20:22:45 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:22:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916/webshots In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20061111004234.00acf928@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061111004234.00acf928@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <45555015.9090605@telus.net> Hello Jerry, Paying toll charges by the minute sure can add up. Have you checked into a satellite internet connection? I've been thinking about it myself. Dialup costs me 33.60/month for 100 hours connect time and two email addresses. Fortunately, I don't have to pay toll charges on top of the monthly fee. The satellite internet costs about $60/month with 5 email address (no that I'd use them all). 10 mb of web space is provided by both systems. The satellite company I'm considering is explornet . Maybe they have service in your area. Rupert Ps. I don't like Webshots or other similar sites either because of all the advertising. Jerry Evans wrote: > At 07:00 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote: >> Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:57:32 -0000 >> From: "Dave Croft" > > >> > > > >> Hi Jerry, I hope it isn't too big for you but I have posted it at >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/Engineers%20diary.jpg >> Dave Croft > > Hi Dave, > Thanks for going to the trouble - I got it and enjoyed it. 300 > H.P. and 250 H.P. in 1916 must have been something to behold. > In the meantime I had help and advice from Larry Evans and can > now also get it off webshots but it is still slower than a non > advertising supported site. > Dolly also gave me some advice a week or 2 ago and I went and > had a look at the Firefox plugins page. I found an ad blocker there > which installed very quickly and easily and does seem to help a bit with > speed but I still cannot stand Webshots :-) > As a point of interest Webshots shows up completely differently > in Firefox to what it looks like in Netscape or IE. The main thing is > that the small row of Icons at the bottom of the pic does not show at > all in Firefox (mine at least) and this has probably been one of my main > problems. Larry mentioned that he clicked on the magnifier to show the > image full size (which also breaks it out of the "Flash" thing) and > could then right click and "Save Image" so I looked around the page and > found a text link in the top right that does the same - thereafter the > pic loads and I can see (and save) it. In Netscape if I hover the > pointer over one of these icons (mouseover) a small text description of > the icons purpose shows yet this does not happen in IE unless I refresh > the page. this may have to do with the ads trying to load > > At the bottom of one of these posts from SEL (I get the digest > so it will be in the last 24 hours) I see someone in the States > advertising broadband from $13.33/month. This is about 1/4 of what my > slow dialup connection here in S.A. costs and then I still have the per > minute rate to pay to the Telkom. > I estimate that it costs me approximately ZAR 900.00 ($125.00 approx) > for the privilege of being able to access the Internet. Broadband will > cost me about 3 to 4 times as much. > Our problem is that there is only 1 fixed line telephone > provider here and it is a monopoly (not only that but the government is > the main shareholder) and they charge what they like. Our telephone > charges have skyrocketed in the last 6 or 7 years for the simple reason > that there has been pressure on the government to allow a second fixed > line operator so the existing one has just pushed up prices to allow > them to "improve" their network at our cost. They agreed to allow a > second operator about 5 or 6 years ago but the existing operator has > been blocking and stalling them with legal action and court cases and > suchlike. A second operator has now been named but it will still take > them years to roll out their network and it will only start in the > bigger centres so may take a very long time to reach us out here in the > country. > I've been connecting to the internet since 1991 when it was > still just bulletin boards and a 14.4 Kbps modem on an XT. IE was not > even around yet and spam was something that you ate from a tin. A local > call cost about 29c (thats 4c US at todays rates) irrespective of how > long you were connected. Since then I (and all South Africans) have had > to endure skyrocketing prices and a service that has been getting worse > and worse. > So please forgive me if I sometimes get cranky about internet > connections. It's probably aimed at our rip off telephone company. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From brianne at ultratune.com.au Fri Nov 10 22:07:04 2006 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:07:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Contact Message-ID: <012d01c70557$9d8c74f0$9fc5dccb@brian> Hi Folks I am trying to contact Arthur Southwell who originally contacted me via this list. I have 2 email addresses, both bounce back. asouth42 at earthlink.net and asouth at strato.net The first one is from his web page. Can anyone please help? Regards Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness. 07-4124 6526 WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Nov 11 00:55:59 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:55:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Contact In-Reply-To: <012d01c70557$9d8c74f0$9fc5dccb@brian> Message-ID: <5ci99c$go3aqe@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony8.iinet.net.au> Brian I pasted your email to him on Skype chat. If he logs onto Skype he will see it Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Taylor Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2006 2:07 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Contact Hi Folks I am trying to contact Arthur Southwell who originally contacted me via this list. I have 2 email addresses, both bounce back. asouth42 at earthlink.net and asouth at strato.net The first one is from his web page. Can anyone please help? Regards Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness. 07-4124 6526 WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 06:33:15 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:33:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Ted brookover's website. Message-ID: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as requested by Jennifer Brookover. The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the changes. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Nov 11 06:38:57 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:38:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Telescopic Bollards Message-ID: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> I was talking on Skype with Curt Andree this morning & gave him an address to show how these are used & misused in the UK. He said they were not common in the USA & you would find them of interest. They are used in city & large town centres to keep them for pedestrians but still allow bus's & Ambulances to gain access. Some motorists used to closely follow a legal user to cross before the bollard came up. The latest ones now work much faster & the miscreants suffer. See http://tinyurl.com/y7fhbt Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 09:10:05 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:10:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. In-Reply-To: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160611110910q3132bddejec5958ea67c82ddc@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/06, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as > requested by Jennifer Brookover. > > The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the changes. > All done, site is back online again. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Nov 11 10:02:10 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:02:10 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160611110910q3132bddejec5958ea67c82ddc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004b01c705bb$83ce5830$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: Cc: "Stationary-Engine" Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 5:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. > On 11/11/06, Listerdiesel wrote: >> We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as >> requested by Jennifer Brookover. >> >> The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the changes. > > All done, site is back online again. > Peter A Forbes Hi Peter, Is the site you mention http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ ? Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 11 10:41:32 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:41:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Telescopic Bollards In-Reply-To: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> References: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061111133959.04494418@mail.alltel.net> Looks like something we could use MORE of here in the USA. Perhaps Nancy will see to it that MORE are installed in order to make everyone safe from harm! Dave At 09:38 AM 11/11/2006, you wrote: >I was talking on Skype with Curt Andree this morning & gave him an address >to show how these are used & misused in the UK. >He said they were not common in the USA & you would find them of interest. >They are used in city & large town centres to keep them for pedestrians >but still allow bus's & Ambulances to gain access. >Some motorists used to closely follow a legal user to cross before the >bollard came up. >The latest ones now work much faster & the miscreants suffer. >See http://tinyurl.com/y7fhbt >Dave Croft From rwenig at telus.net Sat Nov 11 10:50:03 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:50:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916/webshots In-Reply-To: <45555015.9090605@telus.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061111004234.00acf928@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <45555015.9090605@telus.net> Message-ID: <45561B5B.20509@telus.net> Hello Group, It has been brought to my attention the the link I gave to Explorenet is no good. Sorry for not checking it before I sent it. I did some searching and came up with this page which is familiar The site is changed since I last looked at it. It appears that the name" Explorenet has split off and is the Canadian name now. Here is a link to another broad band company that is world wide . Or, paste this link into Google for a lot more which I haven't checked out. Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello Jerry, > Paying toll charges by the minute sure can add up. Have you checked > into a satellite internet connection? I've been thinking about it myself. > Dialup costs me 33.60/month for 100 hours connect time and two email > addresses. Fortunately, I don't have to pay toll charges on top of the > monthly fee. The satellite internet costs about $60/month with 5 email > address (no that I'd use them all). 10 mb of web space is provided by > both systems. The satellite company I'm considering is explornet > . Maybe they have service in your area. > > Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 11:40:28 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:40:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. In-Reply-To: <004b01c705bb$83ce5830$e5c30b52@no1> References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160611110910q3132bddejec5958ea67c82ddc@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c705bb$83ce5830$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <6f6025160611111140s7357f7fcgd4262619c4d66d74@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/06, Dave Croft wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: > Cc: "Stationary-Engine" > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 5:10 PM > Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. > > > > On 11/11/06, Listerdiesel wrote: > >> We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as > >> requested by Jennifer Brookover. > >> > >> The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the changes. > > > > All done, site is back online again. > > Peter A Forbes > > Hi Peter, Is the site you mention > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ ? > Dave Croft Yes, Dave, do you have a problem with the site loading? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pcgray at zoominternet.net Sat Nov 11 12:17:44 2006 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:17:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] De-rusting + Phosphoric acid In-Reply-To: <200611111700.kABH058E023509@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Folks- Dont forget that if you use this stuff for crankcases, you can coat the inside with gas tank sealer or Glyptal after derusting.. I add lampblack to my sealer so it does not look white. This will keep the loose stuff, if any , bonded to the metal. Epoxy would also work. I recommend heating the parts to ~250 -300F sans babbitt to completely dry them out B4 coating. My friend George Coates finished repairing the crankcase on a 2 HP Bovaird which originally had a patch on the crankcase which I had him weld in with a cast patch.The piece was broken out to get at the rod. I splashed on the other side of the block to make a pattern; now even has the parting seam on the crankcase. Of course, he coated the inside with Corlar (sp) epoxy. It was full of rust when I started; pix at http://www.ghcoates.com/Barker.htm Mi dos centavos- Paul From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Nov 11 12:25:39 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:25:39 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160611110910q3132bddejec5958ea67c82ddc@mail.gmail.com><004b01c705bb$83ce5830$e5c30b52@no1> <6f6025160611111140s7357f7fcgd4262619c4d66d74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701c705cf$8ea5fb00$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. > On 11/11/06, Dave Croft wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Listerdiesel" >> To: >> Cc: "Stationary-Engine" >> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 5:10 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. >> >> >> > On 11/11/06, Listerdiesel wrote: >> >> We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as >> >> requested by Jennifer Brookover. >> >> >> >> The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the changes. >> > >> > All done, site is back online again. >> > Peter A Forbes >> >> Hi Peter, Is the site you mention >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ ? >> Dave Croft > > Yes, Dave, do you have a problem with the site loading? > Peter A Forbes No Peter, I was just checking I had worked out the correct site! Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Nov 11 16:53:39 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:53:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Telescopic Bollards In-Reply-To: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> References: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <45567093.3060601@steamengine.com.au> Cool! I particularly like the one who hit it hard enough to set off his air bag :) Paul Dave Croft wrote: > I was talking on Skype with Curt Andree this morning & gave him an > address to show how these are used & misused in the UK. > He said they were not common in the USA & you would find them of > interest. > They are used in city & large town centres to keep them for pedestrians > but still allow bus's & Ambulances to gain access. > Some motorists used to closely follow a legal user to cross before the > bollard came up. > The latest ones now work much faster & the miscreants suffer. > See http://tinyurl.com/y7fhbt > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Nov 11 18:00:32 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:00:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT Telescopic Bollards In-Reply-To: <01e101c705fc$148e5c40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> <01e101c705fc$148e5c40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <45568040.90604@steamengine.com.au> Reg, I think it is a good way to stop people who shouldn't be entering certain areas from doing it when they seem to be deliberately misusing the bus access - the guy in the black suv/van for example - why would you try to follow a bus at a much greater speed than the bus (which has just moved off) unless you were deliberately trying to beat the bollard system to go somewhere you're not allowed to go. For his air bag to go off, he had to be doing at least 40km/h because they don't normally deploy under that. That implies he waited until the bus was about to move off then planted it. Couldn't be anything but deliberate. The little white car tried twice until she got creamed. The guy in the white delivery van who face planted on the windscreen might want to both consider a safety belt and not going where he isn't meant to. I fully support the closing of central parts of cities (and in some cases towns) to traffic - allowing everyone to drive in is unmanageable as the number of cars in the system grows without bound. I can think of great places for them in Melbourne - there are tram only and bus only roads here that people in cars often use defeating the purpose of having them because they get blocked up with cars. The special bus lanes at lights to get the bus ahead of the traffic would be another good example. I've seen a similar system used to good effect on bridges to change the traffic flow - they're going to do it on the Westgate here soon. Currently it is fixed as three lanes in each direction. They're planning on altering the traffic with automatic bollards to allow 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 lanes in one direction and whatever is left in the other direction to cope with the peak traffic flows. The system is used on the Golden Gate (although they are manually placed in holes in the deck). I wouldn't mind a set at the bottom of my driveway to stop all the bastards who use my drive to turn in and rip up my gravel when they leave spraying it all over the yard, my cars and the road. I wouldn't mind the turners if they're accelerator did not seem to be glued to the floor when they were leaving. Paul R & M Ingold wrote: > I dont seem to get what is happening here. > How is it there are cars,etc. EACH SIDE of the barrier? > So, is it a safety thing? > Is it a revenue thing ? > Or is it a way of bringing business to the local repairers? > One thing for sure. With a smashed car blocking things, Nobody is > going to get anywhere! So what is the point? > Sheer bloody mindedness? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" > To: "atis" > Cc: "Old Engine" > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 1:38 AM > Subject: OT Telescopic Bollards > > >> I was talking on Skype with Curt Andree this morning & gave him an >> address to show how these are used & misused in the UK. >> He said they were not common in the USA & you would find them of >> interest. >> They are used in city & large town centres to keep them for pedestrians >> but still allow bus's & Ambulances to gain access. >> Some motorists used to closely follow a legal user to cross before >> the bollard came up. >> The latest ones now work much faster & the miscreants suffer. >> See http://tinyurl.com/y7fhbt >> Dave Croft > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From dleis at centurytel.net Sat Nov 11 20:31:26 2006 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:31:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & miss References: <20061110062455.10AB499E1B@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <002301c70613$6b392180$0501a8c0@computer> Hi thanks guys for your reply i am going to call Ed again on Manday. Stacy From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 11 18:38:35 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:38:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Telescopic Bollards In-Reply-To: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> References: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <4556892B.3080206@scrtc.com> Dave, Pretty common here in the US in certain places such as DC and around national monuments. You didn't see many of them before 9/11 but more and more of them are coming into use. The ones here in the US aren't used particularly for pedestrian safety but for security purposes. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Croft wrote: > I was talking on Skype with Curt Andree this morning & gave him an > address to show how these are used & misused in the UK. > He said they were not common in the USA & you would find them of > interest. > They are used in city & large town centres to keep them for pedestrians > but still allow bus's & Ambulances to gain access. > Some motorists used to closely follow a legal user to cross before the > bollard came up. > The latest ones now work much faster & the miscreants suffer. > See http://tinyurl.com/y7fhbt > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From dleis at centurytel.net Sat Nov 11 20:40:36 2006 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:40:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Evapo-rust Message-ID: <002c01c70614$b423b4e0$0501a8c0@computer> Just wanted let everyone know that Evapo-rust is know available at AutoZone stores know http://www.evapo-rust.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=154&Itemid=1 Stacy From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 11 17:53:17 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:53:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More Pictures of the Restoration on My Stover Message-ID: <00a301c705fd$5388af80$240110ac@FAMILY> For those who are following along with me as I restore my 1905 Vertical 5 HP Stover I have added more pictures tonight. When you open the WebShots Album below use the "Skip to Photo" block and go to picture 199 and start there. I used a Phosphoric Acid de-rust process in the bottom of the block and I took pictures of this whole process as well as put captions on each picture. http://community.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=554884600&key=StYIhb Again I invite all suggestions, advice, comments, and criticism when done in a constructive way. Thanks, Paul From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Nov 12 03:03:30 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:03:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Evapo-rust Message-ID: <111220061103.26682.4556FF820000D4AE0000683A219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> So Stacy is evaporust any cheaper at Auto Zone versus getting it direct from the manufacturer? Curt Andree > Just wanted let everyone know that Evapo-rust is know available at AutoZone > stores know > http://www.evapo-rust.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=154&Itemid=1 > > Stacy > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dleis at centurytel.net Sun Nov 12 10:54:13 2006 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 10:54:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Evapo-rust References: <111220061103.26682.4556FF820000D4AE0000683A219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000b01c7068b$f2a0e540$0501a8c0@computer> Hi Curt I don't know I just seen it on Evapo-rust web site. I checked at one Auto Zone store and they did not have it in yet. Stacy From reb at apex.net Sun Nov 12 09:12:03 2006 From: reb at apex.net (Dickie) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:12:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Repair Message-ID: <000e01c7067d$ace6e440$0202a8c0@Dads> Found an interesting site on cast iron repair. http://www.locknstitch.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Nov 12 11:03:57 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:03:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Telescopic Bollards References: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> <4556892B.3080206@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001901c7068d$4f771c70$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Telescopic Bollards > Dave, > Pretty common here in the US in certain places such as DC and around > national monuments. You didn't see many of them before 9/11 but more > and more of them are coming into use. The ones here in the US aren't > used particularly for pedestrian safety but for security purposes. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY Hi Tommy, Do you think they use these new security bollards made in the UK. See below & download the video. http://www.atgaccess.com/channelfiveatgaccessbollardtest.htm Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From ihcboggs at jayco.net Sun Nov 12 12:56:03 2006 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne & Casey Boggs) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:56:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Allen Magneto Tester Instruction Manual Message-ID: <000a01c7069d$40665970$0e5328cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Does anyone have a manual or Instruction book on the Allen Magneto Tester? We are looking for one. If anyone knows, please let us know. Thanks DeWayne Boggs From ocleveland at cfl.rr.com Sun Nov 12 13:32:29 2006 From: ocleveland at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:32:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Colors. Message-ID: <018a01c706a2$0e6f1ce0$6ad7bd48@YOURDA6F5028CB> Does anyone remember the correct color and dupont number for IHC "M" Engines? Skip From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 12 15:57:34 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:57:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IHC Colors. Message-ID: <20061112.155734.1848.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Skip. Wendel says: Adirondack green, # 84155. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:32:29 -0500 "Skip Cleveland" writes: > Does anyone remember the correct color and dupont number for IHC "M" > Engines? > Skip > From ocleveland at cfl.rr.com Sun Nov 12 16:17:14 2006 From: ocleveland at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:17:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Colors. References: <20061112.155734.1848.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <01d901c706b9$12a15d70$6ad7bd48@YOURDA6F5028CB> You are a gentleman and a scholar. The guy that bought my "M" scratched it up showing it off on the way back to Alabama via Omaha. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Colors. > Hi Skip. > Wendel says: Adirondack green, # 84155. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:32:29 -0500 "Skip Cleveland" > writes: >> Does anyone remember the correct color and dupont number for IHC "M" >> Engines? >> Skip >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Nov 12 18:16:05 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:16:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Allen Magneto Tester Instruction Manual References: <000a01c7069d$40665970$0e5328cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <004801c706c9$ad2959f0$69e94c0c@D48VHZ61> Is yours one of the white floor model machines that will also test generators, if so I may can help. Pretty much testing mags on ours is just spinning it to see how hot it is on impulse and then speed it up until it quits impulsing and see how hot it is there. Alot of mags are hotter on impulse than at operating speed. Rule of thumb I have always been taught is you need a 6mm (1/4") arc. You can deal with a little less than that but if you are hand cranking you need all you can get. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "DeWayne & Casey Boggs" To: Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: [SEL] Allen Magneto Tester Instruction Manual Does anyone have a manual or Instruction book on the Allen Magneto Tester? We are looking for one. If anyone knows, please let us know. Thanks DeWayne Boggs _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 12 19:58:38 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:58:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Literature needed Message-ID: <014401c706d8$00b36d50$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok gang I submitted a post a little while back for information on 3/4 HP Sattley, I notice that this post has not made it to the list yet so I want to follow it with this one which expands on my last post. These little engines, 3/4 HP, as most of you know anyway were sold under the name of Nelson Brothers, Sattley, Montgomery Ward and Stover 501. Surely someone has some sort of literature on this engine that they could share with me for a friend of mine who is not on the list. If anyone has any of this literature, or now of someone who does, please contact me. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 12 14:45:00 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:45:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for 3/4 HP Sattley Message-ID: <009401c706ac$3009aaf0$240110ac@FAMILY> Does anyone have any 3/4 HP Sattley parts for sale, if so, I would like to hear from you. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 12 18:05:12 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:05:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3/4 HP Sattley Literature Message-ID: <00d801c706c8$27e58e90$240110ac@FAMILY> Anyone for any literature on a 3/4HP Sattley engine? Paul From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 13 08:11:08 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:11:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Repair In-Reply-To: <000e01c7067d$ace6e440$0202a8c0@Dads> References: <000e01c7067d$ace6e440$0202a8c0@Dads> Message-ID: <4558991C.5050908@imc-group.com> Dickie, A while back I needed to repair a crack that was about 16" long. L&S's quote for the parts, including special taps, etc, was $800 for the parts!!! It looks like a wonderful system when you watch the tape, but goodness, it surely is expensive! I did a very successful brazing repair instead. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Dickie wrote: >Found an interesting site on cast iron repair. > >http://www.locknstitch.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 13 08:48:40 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:48:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses Message-ID: <20061113.114938.996.15.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Please verify the word "Molasses". Are you talking about the stuff you eat, or some "product" to remove rust ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Nov 13 09:33:45 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:33:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses Message-ID: <410-2200611113173345187@coastalnet.com> Hi Joe, We are referring to any form of molasses. Some folks have used the powdered molasses used to mix in horse feed, and some of us have used real molasses and some have used sorghum syrup, which is what I have used. I had a bad batch of syrup so saved it and keep a mixture of syrup and water in a vat. Here is a page I made showing it's use: http://www.syrupmakers.com/rust/ Take care. Ken Christison check out my gallery at: www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery www.oldiron-nut.com > [Original Message] > From: Joseph L Betz > To: > Date: 11/13/2006 12:06:18 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses > > Hi List, > > Please verify the word "Molasses". > > Are you talking about the stuff you eat, or some > "product" to remove rust ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." > (_o_) From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 13 09:21:46 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:21:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <410-2200611113173345187@coastalnet.com> References: <410-2200611113173345187@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, Here's another description of a molasses derusting product. Their molasses is made from beets. http://www.rustbeeter.com/index.html Ken, how do the types of "molasses" you describe compare in terms of cost? I'm guessing that powdered molasses as a feed suppliment would be fairly cheap in bulk at a feed store? See ya, Arnie On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Ken Christison wrote: > We are referring to any form of molasses. Some folks have used > the powdered molasses used to mix in horse feed, and some of us > have used real molasses and some have used sorghum syrup, > which is what I have used. I had a bad batch of syrup so saved it > and keep a mixture of syrup and water in a vat. Here is a page > I made showing it's use: http://www.syrupmakers.com/rust/ From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 13 10:14:02 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:14:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061113181402.14203.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Horse feed molasses is what I use. Buy it by the bag and add half a bag to 50 gal of water. Works fine. Ron Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Joe, Here's another description of a molasses derusting product. Their molasses is made from beets. http://www.rustbeeter.com/index.html Ken, how do the types of "molasses" you describe compare in terms of cost? I'm guessing that powdered molasses as a feed suppliment would be fairly cheap in bulk at a feed store? See ya, Arnie On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Ken Christison wrote: > We are referring to any form of molasses. Some folks have used > the powdered molasses used to mix in horse feed, and some of us > have used real molasses and some have used sorghum syrup, > which is what I have used. I had a bad batch of syrup so saved it > and keep a mixture of syrup and water in a vat. Here is a page > I made showing it's use: http://www.syrupmakers.com/rust/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 13 10:25:42 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:25:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses In-Reply-To: <20061113.114938.996.15.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20061113.114938.996.15.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <3714.165.206.180.19.1163442342.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Also used in livestock feed if I recall....... Bill > Hi List, > > Please verify the word "Molasses". > > Are you talking about the stuff you eat, or some > "product" to remove rust ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." > (_o_) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 13 10:27:29 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:27:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses In-Reply-To: <410-2200611113173345187@coastalnet.com> References: <410-2200611113173345187@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <3725.165.206.180.19.1163442449.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> May I reference that from my own electrolysis pages? Good photos, etc. Bill > Hi Joe, > > We are referring to any form of molasses. Some folks have used > the powdered molasses used to mix in horse feed, and some of us > have used real molasses and some have used sorghum syrup, > which is what I have used. I had a bad batch of syrup so saved it > and keep a mixture of syrup and water in a vat. Here is a page > I made showing it's use: http://www.syrupmakers.com/rust/ > > Take care. > > Ken Christison > check out my gallery at: > www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery > www.oldiron-nut.com > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Joseph L Betz >> To: >> Date: 11/13/2006 12:06:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now > Molasses >> >> Hi List, >> >> Please verify the word "Molasses". >> >> Are you talking about the stuff you eat, or some >> "product" to remove rust ? >> >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >> ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >> \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." >> (_o_) > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Mon Nov 13 10:37:03 2006 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:37:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ted brookover's website. In-Reply-To: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4558BB4F.1070900@zoominternet.net> I didn't realize Ted passed away. Very Belated Condolences to his family. Ed Listerdiesel wrote: > We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as > requested by Jennifer Brookover. > > The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the > changes. > > Peter From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 13 10:10:18 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:10:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <20061113181402.14203.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061113181402.14203.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, About how much does a bag cost? See ya, Arnie On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > Horse feed molasses is what I use. Buy it by the bag and add half a bag > to 50 gal of water. Works fine. From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 13 10:43:46 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:43:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting Message-ID: <20061113.134809.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Arnie, Now I'm really confused. Is this the same Molasses I use on my pancakes ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 13 10:33:52 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:33:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses Message-ID: <20061113.134809.508.2.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Ken, I've eaten Molasses on my pancakes & such. Just couldn't see it removing any rust. Thanks for the info. The pics sure are convincing. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 13 10:34:23 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:34:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <20061113.134809.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20061113.134809.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Well, you'll never need to worry about anemia... On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Now I'm really confused. > Is this the same Molasses I use on my pancakes ? From mmco at cox-internet.com Mon Nov 13 11:26:57 2006 From: mmco at cox-internet.com (Bo) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:26:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Repair References: <000e01c7067d$ace6e440$0202a8c0@Dads> <4558991C.5050908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00a301c70759$af896790$6500a8c0@MMCO> Have you tried soldering the crack . As long as it isn`t in an area where there is high heat or a lot of pressure , soldering works real good and is easy to do , even on cast iron . Bo Hinch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast Iron Repair Dickie, A while back I needed to repair a crack that was about 16" long. L&S's quote for the parts, including special taps, etc, was $800 for the parts!!! It looks like a wonderful system when you watch the tape, but goodness, it surely is expensive! I did a very successful brazing repair instead. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Dickie wrote: >Found an interesting site on cast iron repair. > >http://www.locknstitch.com >_______________________________________________ From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 13 10:56:58 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:56:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Now Molasses In-Reply-To: <20061113.134809.508.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20061113.134809.508.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: So Joe, have you noticed any rust on your pancake fork? 8-)) I rest my case... On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Joseph L Betz wrote: > I've eaten Molasses on my pancakes & such. > Just couldn't see it removing any rust. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 13 11:59:54 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:59:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses In-Reply-To: <20061113.134809.508.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20061113.134809.508.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4558CEBA.2020100@imc-group.com> Joe, That's because, according to Sylvia, you're not the least bit rusty! :-) Curt Joseph L Betz wrote: I've eaten Molasses on my pancakes & such. Just couldn't see it removing any rust. From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 13 13:26:29 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:26:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061113212629.89012.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't remember for sure but as I recall it runs 6 to 7 bucks a 50 lb. bag. Ron Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Ron, About how much does a bag cost? See ya, Arnie On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > Horse feed molasses is what I use. Buy it by the bag and add half a bag > to 50 gal of water. Works fine. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Nov 13 15:07:27 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:07:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ted brookover's website. References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> <4558BB4F.1070900@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <01ba01c70778$7fc18f50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> It hit us all hard,at Portland show, when we heard the news! A big loss for us all. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Tabor" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ted brookover's website. >I didn't realize Ted passed away. Very Belated Condolences to his family. > > Ed > > > Listerdiesel wrote: > >> We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as >> requested by Jennifer Brookover. >> >> The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the >> changes. >> >> Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Nov 13 15:34:18 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:34:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <20061113.134809.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20061113.134809.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <608B445D-FDAB-479D-A8DE-07D2A839E902@rustyiron.com> On Nov 13, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Now I'm really confused. > > Is this the same Molasses I use on my pancakes ? Hi Joe, It's not really the molasses that removes the rust, but the molasses and water make a very sweet, nutritious soup. You're dirty. Your bucket, the air, your hands, they're all filthy. Everything around you is infected with bacteria, which end up in your derusting solution. The little creepy crawlies start eating the tasty sugars and humping. The bugs are very prolific and all that humping makes them hungry. Before long, there are billions and billions of bugs in your soup, eating, peeing and fornicating. Interestingly, the bug piddle is acid. They eat the sugar and excrete acid. It is that acid that effects the rust on your engine parts. Rob From reb at apex.net Mon Nov 13 16:59:25 2006 From: reb at apex.net (Dickie) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:59:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Repair References: <000e01c7067d$ace6e440$0202a8c0@Dads> <4558991C.5050908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000801c70788$21d56b90$0202a8c0@Dads> Curt I didn't price it but I figured it would be pricey. Just thought it was an interesting repair job. Dickie Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast Iron Repair > Dickie, > A while back I needed to repair a crack that was about 16" long. L&S's > quote for the parts, including special taps, etc, was $800 for the > parts!!! > It looks like a wonderful system when you watch the tape, but goodness, it > surely is expensive! I did a very successful brazing repair instead. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Dickie wrote: > >>Found an interesting site on cast iron repair. >> >>http://www.locknstitch.com >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 13 15:32:02 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:32:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ted brookover's website. In-Reply-To: <4558BB4F.1070900@zoominternet.net> References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> <4558BB4F.1070900@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061113183102.03a21ea8@mail.alltel.net> At 01:37 PM 11/13/2006, you wrote: >I didn't realize Ted passed away. Very Belated Condolences to his family. >Ed The SEL sent flowers to the funeral home in the name of everyone on the List! Dave From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 13 17:50:54 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:50:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting Message-ID: <20061113.205642.848.2.jlb94@juno.com> But - If I were the "Tin Man", I'd be okay - Right ? Follow the Yellow Brick Road !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From edurand at iglou.com Tue Nov 14 07:31:57 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:31:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <608B445D-FDAB-479D-A8DE-07D2A839E902@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Rob: Thanks for the explanation........I think! Eccch! All that nasty stuff going on in my pancakes! I think I'll have to use honey from now on out. AND don't 'splain anything about the chemistry of honey! I don't wanna know! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Rob Skinner > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 05:34 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting > > > On Nov 13, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > > Now I'm really confused. > > > > Is this the same Molasses I use on my pancakes ? > > Hi Joe, > It's not really the molasses that removes the > rust, but the molasses > and water make a very sweet, nutritious soup. > You're dirty. Your > bucket, the air, your hands, they're all filthy. > Everything around > you is infected with bacteria, which end up in > your derusting > solution. The little creepy crawlies start > eating the tasty sugars > and humping. The bugs are very prolific and all > that humping makes > them hungry. Before long, there are billions and > billions of bugs in > your soup, eating, peeing and fornicating. > Interestingly, the bug > piddle is acid. They eat the sugar and excrete > acid. It is that > acid that effects the rust on your engine parts. > > Rob From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 14 07:05:26 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:05:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting Message-ID: <20061114.103702.904.4.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Rob, That ( the bug story ) sounds so rediculous - It has to be true. It also makes sense. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 14 08:36:11 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:36:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4559F07B.2060502@imc-group.com> >>Interestingly, the bug >>piddle is acid. They eat the sugar and excrete >>acid. It is that >>acid that effects the rust on your engine parts. >> >>Rob >> >> Interesting that it is simply the creation of acid that does the trick. I don't have near the patience for the molasses method, hence why I used the 20% sulfuric acid to clean the inside of the cast iron tank on the last engine I did. In two hours it was done. I'd suspect the sulfuric acid was cheaper than the molasses would have been. I think I paid less than a dollar a gallon for the 99% pure stuff. Bot 5 gallons..... Curt From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Nov 14 08:39:37 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:39:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a1f5b4dc04691cd88b4b616bc272107@chartertn.net> > AND don't 'splain anything about the chemistry of honey! I don't > wanna know! What have you got against eating bee puke, Elden? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Nov 14 08:42:02 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:42:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <20061114.103702.904.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20061114.103702.904.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20061114083142.04aa7e78@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> At 07:05 AM 11/14/2006, you wrote: >Thanks Rob, > >That ( the bug story ) sounds so rediculous - It has to be true. > >It also makes sense. Joe, A few years ago my brother was curious as to what was happening in the molasses solution and was able to contact a chemist at the U. S. Sugar Corp. in Florida. As you can see he said the same thing Rob did, just a little different terminology. >Thanks for your inquiry on using molasses for rust removal. We've heard of >lots of uses for molasses but this is a "first". We have run tests on >undiluted molasses and liquid feed nutritional supplements manufactured >with molasses to estimate the effects of molasses on erosion of metal from >storage vessels. In their "undilute" form these products are generally >less "corrosive" than distilled water. In the dilute form you describe I'm >confident you're getting a microbial fermentation process likely involving >both bacteria and yeast fermentations (as evidenced by the foaming you >describe). Some of the products of fermentation are short chain fatty >acids which will make soluble various cationic minerals, among them iron. >A bit of trivia regarding this topic and perhaps quotable documentation >follows: > >Gillman et al (American Journal of Pathology 35:349-368, 1959) reported >that members of the Bantu tribe (in Africa) experienced hemosiderosis >(iron toxicity) as a result of brewing (fermenting) beer in iron utensils. >The by-products of fermentation apparently solublized the iron and upon >drinking the brew resulted in extremely high dietary iron intakes. > >The moral of this story is that you and your antique-restoring buddies >probably shouldn't partake of this molasses-based cleaning solution (brew) >but it should be an appropriate and harmless nutrient solution for >watering household plants! > >Again, thanks for your inquiry and sharing with us your very interesting >application of molasses. > >Regards, > >Chet > >Dr. Chet Fields, Ph.D., PAS >Mgr., Product Development & Nutrition >Molasses & Liquid Feed Dept. >U. S. Sugar Corp. >P. O. Drawer 1207 >111 Ponce de Leon Ave. >Clewiston, FL 33440 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From edurand at iglou.com Tue Nov 14 10:25:34 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:25:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <3a1f5b4dc04691cd88b4b616bc272107@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Aww, John! Bee spit or bee puke, I knew that - only didn't want to remember. Now, I suppose you'll quote W.C. Fields on drinking water. Geez! Always gotta be somebody tellin' us after eatin' them biscuits 'n butter about finding the turd in the churn! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:40 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting > > > > AND don't 'splain anything about the chemistry > of honey! I don't > > wanna know! > > What have you got against eating bee puke, Elden? > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Nov 14 10:24:04 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:24:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20061114083142.04aa7e78@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <20061114.103702.904.4.jlb94@juno.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20061114083142.04aa7e78@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >> Gillman et al (American Journal of Pathology 35:349-368, 1959) >> reported that members of the Bantu tribe (in Africa) experienced >> hemosiderosis (iron toxicity) as a result of brewing (fermenting) >> beer in iron utensils. The by-products of fermentation apparently >> solublized the iron and upon drinking the brew resulted in extremely >> high dietary iron intakes. So, if you donate blood (or menstruate) regularly, drinking beer fermented in iron pots just might be good for you! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Nov 14 10:28:34 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:28:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Now, I suppose you'll quote W.C. Fields on drinking water. Yeah, fish do EVERYTHING in it. > Geez! Always gotta be somebody tellin' us after eatin' them biscuits > 'n butter about finding the turd in the churn! Hey, we could talk about hot dogs, and chicken, peanut butter, cereal... And how about what gets done on those fresh fruits and vegetables? That recent pathogenic E. coli outbreak from fresh spinach seems to have come from wild hogs doodying on it. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edurand at iglou.com Tue Nov 14 14:05:16 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:05:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Excuse me.......I think I'm going to be ill.......... Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:29 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting > > > > Now, I suppose you'll quote W.C. Fields on > drinking water. > > Yeah, fish do EVERYTHING in it. > > > Geez! Always gotta be somebody tellin' us > after eatin' them biscuits > > 'n butter about finding the turd in the churn! > > Hey, we could talk about hot dogs, and chicken, > peanut butter, cereal... > > And how about what gets done on those fresh > fruits and vegetables? That > recent pathogenic E. coli outbreak from fresh > spinach seems to have > come from wild hogs doodying on it. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Nov 14 15:48:39 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:48:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You must've drunk the water. John On Nov 14, 2006, at 5:05 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: > Excuse me.......I think I'm going to be ill.......... > > Take care - Elden John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Nov 15 04:14:15 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:14:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings Message-ID: Howdy all; The Fordson engine block is now completely stripped. Thinking about having the block boiled at the local engine rebuild shop. Question is: "Will this dissolve the babbitt?" TIA, RickinMt. From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Nov 15 06:39:07 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:39:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061115091334.02f06020@pop3.wcoil.com> I think he means eat it up or melt it. It depends on the solutions, caustics will eat up or disolve aluminum so it might babbit, I don't know but I would be wary of it. Around here its hard to find a shop that boils anymore. Years ago all but one switched to baking in our area that I know of. Main reason was it leaves less contaminated fluids to pay to dispose of. (READ Expensive) Baking will of course melt or soften the babbit. If its the newer heated environmentally friendly solvents It probably would not. But I don't know if the heat used would damage the babbit. The shop should know the capabilities or their cleaning methods. So Just ask em. And if the say it will not damage it make sure to get a guarantee of that in writing. TTYL, Mark At 07:14 AM 11/15/06, you wrote: >Howdy all; > The Fordson engine block is now completely stripped. Thinking about >having the block boiled at the local engine rebuild shop. > > Question is: "Will this dissolve the babbitt?" > >TIA, >RickinMt. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 15 09:51:54 2006 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:51:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Elden's Ill Message-ID: "Excuse me.......I think I'm going to be ill.......... Take care - Elden" Doc John, before Elden's out of the mood, explain fig fertilization to him... Them Newtons will never be the same. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Nov 15 13:56:22 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:56:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Elden's Ill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MMMMMMM-mmmmmm, I love figs! And fig newtons! http://waynesword.palomar.edu/pljune99.htm JOhn On Nov 15, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Bruce Younger wrote: > "Excuse me.......I think I'm going to be ill.......... > > Take care - Elden" > > Doc John, before Elden's out of the mood, explain fig fertilization to > him... > > > Them Newtons will never be the same. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 15 17:10:01 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:10:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Parts Diagram for 1905 Stover Message-ID: <005e01c7091b$f1d73b90$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I am in need of a Parts Diagram for my 1905 Vertical Stover. Does anyone have one or know of anyone that might? Thanks, Paul From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 16 02:36:30 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:36:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith Message-ID: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a selection of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Nov 16 03:11:35 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:11:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Need Parts Diagram for 1905 Stover Message-ID: <111620061111.6518.455C47670004713600001976219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Old Buddy thats a odd request. With the some 200+ detailed photos you have taken one would think you could make your own parts diagram! Curt > Folks I am in need of a Parts Diagram for my 1905 Vertical Stover. Does anyone > have one or know of anyone that might? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Nov 16 03:36:59 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:36:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] To Curt Holland Message-ID: <01b401c70973$aeb6e7e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Sorry but, due to all mail from me to Curt being rejected and returned, I have to use the list to ask him why. Until I get him to sort it, I am removing him from my address book. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 16 05:13:44 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 06:13:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings References: <6.2.1.2.1.20061115091334.02f06020@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark...I need to find out exactly what solution they use here nowdays. "Hot Tank" in my lingo, was the ole Trichlorethlene(sp)in a big tank and it was heated. The vapors did the work and work well it did. I'd like to keep the babbitt as is, with minimal cleaning/scrapping..it is soooo thin. Regards, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings > I think he means eat it up or melt it. It depends on the solutions, > caustics will eat up or disolve aluminum so it might babbit, I don't know > but I would be wary of it. Around here its hard to find a shop that boils > anymore. Years ago all but one switched to baking in our area that I know > of. Main reason was it leaves less contaminated fluids to pay to dispose > of. (READ Expensive) Baking will of course melt or soften the babbit. > If its the newer heated environmentally friendly solvents It probably > would > not. But I don't know if the heat used would damage the babbit. > The shop should know the capabilities or their cleaning methods. So Just > ask em. And if the say it will not damage it make sure to get a guarantee > of that in writing. TTYL, Mark > > At 07:14 AM 11/15/06, you wrote: > >Howdy all; > > The Fordson engine block is now completely stripped. Thinking about > >having the block boiled at the local engine rebuild shop. > > > > Question is: "Will this dissolve the babbitt?" > > > >TIA, > >RickinMt. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > Phone > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if > possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 16 05:05:31 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:05:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] To Curt Holland In-Reply-To: <01b401c70973$aeb6e7e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <01b401c70973$aeb6e7e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <455C621B.7010709@imc-group.com> Reg, I have no clue why? I'll ask our corporate ISP provider.....will advise. Thanks for the notice.... Curt R & M Ingold wrote: > Sorry but, due to all mail from me to Curt being rejected and > returned, I have to use the list to ask him why. > Until I get him to sort it, I am removing him from my address book. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 16 05:23:06 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:23:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Parts Diagram for 1905 Stover References: <111620061111.6518.455C47670004713600001976219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <006901c70982$5a865520$240110ac@FAMILY> Curt, I agree with you, but I have run into a situation that I am unsure of. I am trying to determine if my timing gear comes off of the shaft it is on or the timing gear and shaft or one piece which doesn't seem right to me . When I get back in this afternoon from my little morning job I will take some close up pictures of what I am talking about and send them to you and the list for viewing and hopefully some answers. I do now want to break something trying to get it apart if it is not suppose to come apart. The parts diagram I have does not show my timing gear/shaft configuration and this was why I was requesting one from the list as well as SmokStak and Big Engine Ads. Don't forget you owe me some pictures of your drain valve at the base of your engine. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Parts Diagram for 1905 Stover > Hey Old Buddy thats a odd request. With the some 200+ detailed photos you > have taken one would think you could make your own parts diagram! > Curt From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Thu Nov 16 09:41:25 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:41:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000501c709a6$711214e0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Patrick, thanks for posting the pictures at LAke Goldsmith. I find the inverted Crossley Slide Valve very interesting. Would like to find something like that to add to my collection! Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:37 AM To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a selection of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From svsuzanne at earthlink.net Thu Nov 16 10:35:40 2006 From: svsuzanne at earthlink.net (DAN RICHARDSON) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:35:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings Message-ID: <380-220061141618354022@earthlink.net> I checked with a machines friend who has a boil out tank and he said "NO WAY". He will only put cast iron pieces in his tank. Hope this helps. Regards, Dan > [Original Message] > From: Richard Strobel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 11/16/2006 8:13:45 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings > > Thanks Mark...I need to find out exactly what solution they use here > nowdays. "Hot Tank" in my lingo, was the ole Trichlorethlene(sp)in a big > tank and it was heated. The vapors did the work and work well it did. > > I'd like to keep the babbitt as is, with minimal cleaning/scrapping..it is > soooo thin. > > Regards, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Shulaw" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:39 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings > > > > I think he means eat it up or melt it. It depends on the solutions, > > caustics will eat up or disolve aluminum so it might babbit, I don't know > > but I would be wary of it. Around here its hard to find a shop that boils > > anymore. Years ago all but one switched to baking in our area that I know > > of. Main reason was it leaves less contaminated fluids to pay to dispose > > of. (READ Expensive) Baking will of course melt or soften the babbit. > > If its the newer heated environmentally friendly solvents It probably > > would > > not. But I don't know if the heat used would damage the babbit. > > The shop should know the capabilities or their cleaning methods. So Just > > ask em. And if the say it will not damage it make sure to get a guarantee > > of that in writing. TTYL, Mark > > > > At 07:14 AM 11/15/06, you wrote: > > >Howdy all; > > > The Fordson engine block is now completely stripped. Thinking about > > >having the block boiled at the local engine rebuild shop. > > > > > > Question is: "Will this dissolve the babbitt?" > > > > > >TIA, > > >RickinMt. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > > Parts lists available on request. > > > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > > Phone > > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if > > possible. > > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > > represent > > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Nov 16 14:47:59 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:47:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils Message-ID: <20061116.144800.1992.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in various diameters for scrap price, what would be a good size for winding coils? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From edurand at iglou.com Thu Nov 16 16:54:40 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:54:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils In-Reply-To: <20061116.144800.1992.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Ron: I think around 18 to 20 gauge would work well. Wind enough wire on the core to get enough resistance for it to draw a couple of amps at whatever voltage you plan to run it at. Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 04:48 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils > > > Hi all. > I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in > various diameters for > scrap price, what would be a good size for winding coils? > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Nov 16 16:44:09 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:44:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <000501c709a6$711214e0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <000501c709a6$711214e0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <455D05D9.4050002@scrtc.com> Wayne, There's a barn in KY that would like to have that horse in it too! (and Ky is known for horses!). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Patrick, thanks for posting the pictures at LAke Goldsmith. I find the >inverted Crossley Slide Valve very interesting. Would like to find something >like that to add to my collection! > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 16 16:48:14 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:48:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <000501c709a6$711214e0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: Thanks for the pictures Patrick, it was a very enjoyable weekend, will be good to see you and a few others from up your way there next year,cheers Dave >From: "Wayne Thackery" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:41:25 -0800 > > >Patrick, thanks for posting the pictures at LAke Goldsmith. I find the >inverted Crossley Slide Valve very interesting. Would like to find >something >like that to add to my collection! > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Patrick M >Livingstone >Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:37 AM >To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List >Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith > > >I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to >attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a >selection >of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Win a $40K private Lear Jet experience with Flight Sim X! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=730&referral=hotmailtagline&URL=http://games.ninemsn.com.au From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Nov 16 18:55:01 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:55:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils References: <20061116.144800.1992.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <008c01c709f3$c6e3cfb0$4dd34c0c@D48VHZ61> Sounds like the beginnings of a magnet charger to me. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils > Hi all. > I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in various diameters for > scrap price, what would be a good size for winding coils? > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Nov 16 21:07:01 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:07:01 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils Message-ID: <20061116.210701.2068.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Elden. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:54:40 -0600 "Elden DuRand" writes: > Ron: > > I think around 18 to 20 gauge would work well. Wind enough wire on > the core to get enough resistance for it to draw a couple of amps at > whatever voltage you plan to run it at. > > Take care - Elden DuRand > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Nov 17 05:57:30 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:57:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils References: <20061116.144800.1992.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <008c01c709f3$c6e3cfb0$4dd34c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <002a01c70a50$537e8350$2a8cf504@Ed> I have been playing with re-winding a magnet charger for Model A 's and it takes #14 wire. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low tension coils > Sounds like the beginnings of a magnet charger to me. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:47 PM > Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils > > >> Hi all. >> I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in various diameters for >> scrap price, what would be a good size for winding coils? >> Thanks. >> >> Ron Haskell >> rdhaskell at juno.com >> Riverside, California >> USA >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 17 06:15:18 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:15:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings References: <380-220061141618354022@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks Dan..I've pretty much ruled out hot tankin'. Now that it's stripped it will go back in the soup tank. Take Care, Rick > I checked with a machines friend who has a boil out tank and he said "NO > WAY". He will only put cast iron pieces in his tank. Hope this helps. > Regards, Dan From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Nov 17 10:58:21 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:58:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How can you check the proper resistance after winding the coil, but before you cut the roll of wire you are winding it from? Thanks, Steve >From: "Elden DuRand" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:54:40 -0600 > >Ron: > >I think around 18 to 20 gauge would work well. Wind enough wire on the >core to get enough resistance for it to draw a couple of amps at whatever >voltage you plan to run it at. > >Take care - Elden DuRand >edurand at iglou.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 04:48 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils > > > > > > Hi all. > > I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in > > various diameters for > > scrap price, what would be a good size for winding coils? > > Thanks. > > > > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Riverside, California > > USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Fri Nov 17 08:37:43 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:37:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <455D05D9.4050002@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <006e01c70a66$b685ea40$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Tommy, That's good to know, if I come across an extra I'll sure keep you in mind! Are you sure that KY has the right kind of Oats for a horse like that......come spring I'm going to be sleeping with one eye open.......on my feed bag! It's been a good crop. Ha! Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith Wayne, There's a barn in KY that would like to have that horse in it too! (and Ky is known for horses!). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Patrick, thanks for posting the pictures at LAke Goldsmith. I find the >inverted Crossley Slide Valve very interesting. Would like to find something >like that to add to my collection! > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Nov 17 14:13:58 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:13:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... Message-ID: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago some folks were posting pictures of old lathes they had. I had just gotten one too and have been working on it since. The old hunk of iron had been in a barn for 15 years and was gummed up solid with old grease and bugs building in every lube point on the lathe. This required a total tear down and reassembly. Added a 3HP motor (thanks to all who contributed on HP recommendations) and Mircovee flat belt to drive the spindle. So far it is working fine. Here are a few before, during, and after pictures. The last one is of chips flying. Life is good! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From edurand at iglou.com Fri Nov 17 15:31:37 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:31:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron & Steve: I think I didn't give enough information before. Referring to my 1908 Electrical Engineer's Handbook, I have the following data for annealed copper wire: 16 gauge wire - 249.4 ft/Ohm 18 gauge wire - 156.9 ft/Ohm 20 gauge wire - 98.66 ft/Ohm 22 gauge wire - 62.05 ft/Ohm For a 6 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 3 Ohms or: 16 gauge wire - 750 ft 18 gauge wire - 471 ft 20 gauge wire - 297 ft 22 gauge wire - 189 ft For a 12 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 6 Ohms or: 16 gauge wire - 1,500 ft 18 gauge wire - 942 ft 20 gauge wire - 594 ft 22 gauge wire - 378 ft Simple, eh? Makes me want to go out and wind a few coils! Other than measuring the length of the wire before starting winding, you could select your wire gauge and make a guess at the size of bobbin you'd need for the requisite amount of wire (adding some just for yucks). Then, after winding what you -think- is enough, hook one lead of your trusty Ohmmeter to the "starting" end then scrape just a minute amound of insulation off the wire and measure. From that, you should be able to tell how close you are. To fix the insulation, you could either fold a tiny sliver of tissue paper around the wire then wind it onto the winding or you could give it a shot of either lacquer or "glyptol" to insulate the spot. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 12:58 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils > > > How can you check the proper resistance after > winding the coil, but before > you cut the roll of wire you are winding it from? > Thanks, Steve > > > >From: "Elden DuRand" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils > >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:54:40 -0600 > > > >Ron: > > > >I think around 18 to 20 gauge would work well. > Wind enough wire on the > >core to get enough resistance for it to draw a > couple of amps at whatever > >voltage you plan to run it at. > > > >Take care - Elden DuRand > >edurand at iglou.com > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > Behalf Of > > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 04:48 PM > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in > > > various diameters for > > > scrap price, what would be a good size for > winding coils? > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Ron Haskell From curt at imc-group.com Fri Nov 17 14:33:43 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:33:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... Message-ID: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> A while back I posted a couple of pictures of a blacksmith building we were putting up for Devin. That is all done now and he's having a blast. Here is the link: At the very bottom of the page are 3 new photos of Devin working in his shop. Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From jthall at worldnet.att.net Fri Nov 17 15:56:26 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:56:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004d01c70aa3$ff28a7f0$28d14c0c@D48VHZ61> Looking good! Going to stick with the rocker tool post or add a quickhange system? The Chineese ones have really gotten inexpensive. They aren't an Aloris but then you aren't trying to make a living, just have some fun. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago > some folks were posting pictures of old lathes they had. I had just gotten > one too and have been working on it since. The old hunk of iron had been > in a barn for 15 years and was gummed up solid with old grease and bugs > building in every lube point on the lathe. This required a total tear down > and reassembly. Added a 3HP motor (thanks to all who contributed on HP > recommendations) and Mircovee flat belt to drive the spindle. So far it is > working fine. Here are a few before, during, and after pictures. The last > one is of chips flying. > > Life is good! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 17 15:58:17 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:58:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> References: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061117185636.03f74880@mail.alltel.net> Great pictures! Tell Devin that I have several items that need his attention. Nothing pressing--I will talk to him about them sometime next year! Dave At 05:33 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: >A while back I posted a couple of pictures of a blacksmith building we >were putting up for Devin. That is all done now and he's having a blast. >Here is the link: > > >At the very bottom of the page are 3 new photos of Devin working in his shop. >Hope you enjoy. >Curt Holland From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 17 16:32:10 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:32:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007001c70aa8$fce30b70$6d83fb40@HP28276676518> Curt I enjoyed your pics. I have my eye on an old lathe, I have not yet seen it. The nice thing is that the owner has his eye on one of my large engines, a Fairbanks Morse ZC 208 that he wants to power a line shaft. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago > some folks were posting pictures of old lathes they had. I had just gotten > one too and have been working on it since. The old hunk of iron had been > in a barn for 15 years and was gummed up solid with old grease and bugs > building in every lube point on the lathe. This required a total tear down > and reassembly. Added a 3HP motor (thanks to all who contributed on HP > recommendations) and Mircovee flat belt to drive the spindle. So far it is > working fine. Here are a few before, during, and after pictures. The last > one is of chips flying. > > Life is good! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 > 3:51 PM > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 17 16:40:26 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:40:26 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils References: Message-ID: <003f01c70aaa$250e9820$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:31 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils > Ron & Steve: > > I think I didn't give enough information before. Referring to my 1908 Electrical Engineer's Handbook, I have the following data > for annealed copper wire: > > 16 gauge wire - 249.4 ft/Ohm > 18 gauge wire - 156.9 ft/Ohm > 20 gauge wire - 98.66 ft/Ohm > 22 gauge wire - 62.05 ft/Ohm > > For a 6 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 3 Ohms or: > > 16 gauge wire - 750 ft > 18 gauge wire - 471 ft > 20 gauge wire - 297 ft > 22 gauge wire - 189 ft > > For a 12 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 6 Ohms or: > > 16 gauge wire - 1,500 ft > 18 gauge wire - 942 ft > 20 gauge wire - 594 ft > 22 gauge wire - 378 ft > > Simple, eh? Makes me want to go out and wind a few coils! > > Other than measuring the length of the wire before starting winding, you could select your wire gauge and make a guess at the size > of bobbin you'd need for the requisite amount of wire (adding some just for yucks). Then, after winding what you -think- is > enough, hook one lead of your trusty Ohmmeter to the "starting" end then scrape just a minute amound of insulation off the wire > and measure. From that, you should be able to tell how close you are. > > To fix the insulation, you could either fold a tiny sliver of tissue paper around the wire then wind it onto the winding or you > could give it a shot of either lacquer or "glyptol" to insulate the spot. > > Take care - Elden > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Hi Eldon, you don't give the supply voltage so I cannot check out your currents. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 17 17:04:55 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:04:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000c01c70aad$9027dce0$3259ecdc@Edd> Great job Curt.Really enjoyed the pics.That old lath will do a lot of work for you. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 17 17:09:14 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:09:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith References: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002101c70aae$2bc9ef30$3259ecdc@Edd> Another great set of pics .Thanks Patrick! Must try and get there one day.just so far it's better than 1000km from here each way. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith >I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to > attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a > selection > of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Nov 17 17:46:28 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:46:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... In-Reply-To: <007001c70aa8$fce30b70$6d83fb40@HP28276676518> Message-ID: <005f01c70ab3$5ea27f80$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Be careful; those old big lathes don't bring much. Engine may be worth a lot more. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Gary Epps Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... Curt I enjoyed your pics. I have my eye on an old lathe, I have not yet seen it. The nice thing is that the owner has his eye on one of my large engines, a Fairbanks Morse ZC 208 that he wants to power a line shaft. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago > some folks were posting pictures of old lathes they had. I had just gotten > one too and have been working on it since. The old hunk of iron had been > in a barn for 15 years and was gummed up solid with old grease and bugs > building in every lube point on the lathe. This required a total tear down > and reassembly. Added a 3HP motor (thanks to all who contributed on HP > recommendations) and Mircovee flat belt to drive the spindle. So far it is > working fine. Here are a few before, during, and after pictures. The last > one is of chips flying. > > Life is good! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 > 3:51 PM > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 3:51 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 3:51 PM From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 17 17:48:52 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 20:48:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <002101c70aae$2bc9ef30$3259ecdc@Edd> References: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c70aae$2bc9ef30$3259ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061117204554.0422eec8@mail.alltel.net> Good doG Edd, I drove almost 5,500 MILES to pick up my 11 HP Austral and you are worried about 1,000 miles? What kind of an engine collector are you? Dave PS, You are correct the pictures were GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At 08:09 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: >Another great set of pics .Thanks Patrick! Must try and get there one >day.just so far it's better than 1000km from here each way. >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia >2852 >Phone:0263742387 >edsengns at optusnet.com.au >edsengns >----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:36 PM >Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith > > >>I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to >>attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a selection >>of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html >> >> >>Patrick M Livingstone >>Leichhardt NSW >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Nov 17 18:52:56 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:52:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... Message-ID: <20061117.221921.892.1.jlb94@juno.com> Excellent pics Curt, It's nice to see that Devin has the interest in the Blacksmithing. I'm sure you will give him the guideence he needs to be an expert. Great pics. I love the way you set up your site. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 17 19:41:39 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:41:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith References: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002101c70aae$2bc9ef30$3259ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20061117204554.0422eec8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00ba01c70ac3$756767c0$6d83fb40@HP28276676518> Dave, Check again. Edd said 1000km not miles. I think 1000km = about 625 miles, unless I'm missing something here. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith > Good doG Edd, I drove almost 5,500 MILES to pick up my 11 HP Austral and > you are worried about 1,000 miles? What kind of an engine collector are > you? > Dave > PS, You are correct the pictures were GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > At 08:09 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: >>Another great set of pics .Thanks Patrick! Must try and get there one >>day.just so far it's better than 1000km from here each way. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >> >>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; >>"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >>Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:36 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith >> >> >>>I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to >>>attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a >>>selection >>>of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html >>> >>> >>>Patrick M Livingstone >>>Leichhardt NSW >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 > 3:51 PM > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 17 19:42:20 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:42:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith References: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002101c70aae$2bc9ef30$3259ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20061117204554.0422eec8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000c01c70ac3$8e0289e0$3259ecdc@Edd> I know I know.But no interstate here just rural roads! also gas at about $6.00 a gallon.also my stuffed heart that doesn't like long drives.Other than that dam what am I doing sitting here.I should be working on an engine like all the rest of my time.:) EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith > Good doG Edd, I drove almost 5,500 MILES to pick up my 11 HP Austral and > you are worried about 1,000 miles? What kind of an engine collector are > you? > Dave > PS, You are correct the pictures were GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > At 08:09 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: >>Another great set of pics .Thanks Patrick! Must try and get there one >>day.just so far it's better than 1000km from here each way. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >> >>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; >>"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >>Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:36 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith >> >> >>>I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to >>>attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a >>>selection >>>of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html >>> >>> >>>Patrick M Livingstone >>>Leichhardt NSW >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 17 19:44:32 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:44:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... References: <005f01c70ab3$5ea27f80$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <00be01c70ac3$dc720970$6d83fb40@HP28276676518> I probably owe this guy something. He sold me a restored 1935 JD 'D' for what he paid originally for the tractor, before he restored it. I can be generous on this deal. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Best" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > Be careful; those old big lathes don't bring much. Engine may be worth > a lot more. > > Lew > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Gary Epps > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > Curt > I enjoyed your pics. I have my eye on an old lathe, I have not yet seen > it. > The nice thing is that the owner has his eye on one of my large engines, > a > Fairbanks Morse ZC 208 that he wants to power a line shaft. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:13 PM > Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > >> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months > ago >> some folks were posting pictures of old lathes they had. I had just > gotten >> one too and have been working on it since. The old hunk of iron had > been >> in a barn for 15 years and was gummed up solid with old grease and > bugs >> building in every lube point on the lathe. This required a total tear > down >> and reassembly. Added a 3HP motor (thanks to all who contributed on HP > >> recommendations) and Mircovee flat belt to drive the spindle. So far > it is >> working fine. Here are a few before, during, and after pictures. The > last >> one is of chips flying. >> > >> Life is good! >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: > 11/16/2006 >> 3:51 PM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 > 3:51 PM > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Nov 18 03:24:03 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:24:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <200611161700.kAGH04Rp032238@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20061118132154.00aee400@mail.cyberserv.co.za> > >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:36:30 +1100 >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith > >I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to >attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a selection >of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html >Patrick M Livingstone Thanks Patrick, Great pics as usual. What is the Sunshine machine in this pic? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Nov 18 05:53:57 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 06:53:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent Message-ID: For a friend, gang. How is the gas tank vented on a small JD "E"? TIA, RickinMt. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 18 06:19:18 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:19:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455F1666.20404@scrtc.com> Isn't there a small hole, maybe a 1/32, drilled in the filler cap? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > For a friend, gang. How is the gas tank vented on a small JD "E"? > >TIA, >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Nov 18 06:37:22 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:37:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061118093613.03055040@pop3.wcoil.com> If it has the original fill cap there is a vent hole in it. TTYL, Mark At 08:53 AM 11/18/06, you wrote: > For a friend, gang. How is the gas tank vented on a small JD "E"? > >TIA, >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From edurand at iglou.com Sat Nov 18 07:51:20 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:51:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils In-Reply-To: <003f01c70aaa$250e9820$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: Dave: I may have confused the listings. There are three tables. The first one is feet per Ohm for four gauges of wire. Just multiply the number of Ohms you are looking for by the ft/Ohm number of the wire of choice. The second and third tables are for the amount of wire to draw 2 Amps. The second table is calculated using a 6-Volt battery. The third table is calculated using a 12-Volt battery. If you want something other than 2 Amps at either 6 or 12 Volts, use the first table. Let's say you want a coil to draw 5 Amps at 8 Volts. Use Ohm's law to find the resistance you need to get this result. Since R-E/I, divide the voltage (8 Volts) by the current (5 Amps). This gives 1.6 Ohms. Now, let's say you have a spool of 18 gauge wire laying around that you want to wind the coil with. To find the length of wire needed, multiply the resistance wanted (1.6 Ohms) by the feet/Ohm from the table (156.9) to get 251.04 feet of 18 gauge wire. How'm I a-doin/? Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave Croft > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 06:40 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Low tension coils > > Ron & Steve: > > > > I think I didn't give enough information > before. Referring to my 1908 Electrical > Engineer's Handbook, I have the following data > > for annealed copper wire: > > > > 16 gauge wire - 249.4 ft/Ohm > > 18 gauge wire - 156.9 ft/Ohm > > 20 gauge wire - 98.66 ft/Ohm > > 22 gauge wire - 62.05 ft/Ohm > > > > For a 6 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 3 Ohms or: > > > > 16 gauge wire - 750 ft > > 18 gauge wire - 471 ft > > 20 gauge wire - 297 ft > > 22 gauge wire - 189 ft > > > > For a 12 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 6 Ohms or: > > > > 16 gauge wire - 1,500 ft > > 18 gauge wire - 942 ft > > 20 gauge wire - 594 ft > > 22 gauge wire - 378 ft > > > > Simple, eh? Makes me want to go out and wind a > few coils! > > > > Other than measuring the length of the wire > before starting winding, you could select your > wire gauge and make a guess at the size > > of bobbin you'd need for the requisite amount > of wire (adding some just for yucks). Then, > after winding what you -think- is > > enough, hook one lead of your trusty Ohmmeter > to the "starting" end then scrape just a minute > amound of insulation off the wire > > and measure. From that, you should be able to > tell how close you are. > > > > To fix the insulation, you could either fold a > tiny sliver of tissue paper around the wire then > wind it onto the winding or you > > could give it a shot of either lacquer or > "glyptol" to insulate the spot. > > > > Take care - Elden > > edurand at iglou.com > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Hi Eldon, you don't give the supply voltage so > I cannot check out your currents. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Nov 18 07:39:35 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:39:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent References: <6.2.1.2.1.20061118093613.03055040@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: thanks guys...I called and told him to look for the hole. Well..headed fer the shed on what looks like a darn nice day HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RickinMT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] JD gas tank vent > If it has the original fill cap there is a vent hole in it. TTYL, Mark > > At 08:53 AM 11/18/06, you wrote: > > For a friend, gang. How is the gas tank vented on a small JD "E"? > > > >TIA, > >RickinMt. > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > Phone > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if > possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Nov 18 11:37:08 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:37:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.1.20061118093613.03055040@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4d068477d78d47265145fa98c60f5128@chartertn.net> Yeah, Elden, Happy Birthday! On Nov 18, 2006, at 10:39 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dotto at velocitus.net Sat Nov 18 11:38:07 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:38:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008201c70b49$141001e0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Rick On my JD, a late one; 1944, the vent hole is drilled in the engine block and intersects the fuel filler hole just below where the plug's threads would stop. There is no hole in the plug it's self. Dave Dave Otto Boise, ID USA > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:40 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] JD gas tank vent > > thanks guys...I called and told him to look for the hole. > > Well..headed fer the shed on what looks like a darn nice day > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > RickinMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Shulaw" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:37 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] JD gas tank vent > > > > If it has the original fill cap there is a vent hole in it. TTYL, > Mark > > > > At 08:53 AM 11/18/06, you wrote: > > > For a friend, gang. How is the gas tank vented on a small JD "E"? > > > > > >TIA, > > >RickinMt. > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > > Parts lists available on request. > > > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > > Phone > > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls > if > > possible. > > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > > represent > > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist > and > > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Sat Nov 18 12:59:44 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:59:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <200611182100.kAIL0C96047958@mail-gw.fsr.net> Patrick, thank you for the excellent pictures. That's one of the best "Down Under" series of pix I've ever seen. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:37 AM To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: Lake Goldsmith http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 18 13:21:56 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:21:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> References: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> WAY KEWL Curt!! In that last pic is Devin working by the light of a couple of yellow dogs? And have you heard any grief from the neighbors about the late-night ringing of the anvil? See ya, Arnie Quoting Curt : > A while back I posted a couple of pictures of a blacksmith building we > were putting up for Devin. That is all done now and he's having a blast. > Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/BlacksmithDevin/Thumbnails.html> At the very bottom of the page are 3 new photos of Devin working in his > shop. From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Nov 18 17:18:38 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:18:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent In-Reply-To: <008201c70b49$141001e0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <008201c70b49$141001e0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061118201030.0305b7a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Dave, You're so right its in the casting next to the fuel filler hole, not the plug. The damn Maytag 92s with their vent in the fill plugs have corrupted my memory. Egg on face, ok I'll go away now. TTYL, Mark At 02:38 PM 11/18/06, you wrote: >Hi Rick > >On my JD, a late one; 1944, the vent hole is drilled in the engine block and >intersects the fuel filler hole just below where the plug's threads would >stop. There is no hole in the plug it's self. > >Dave > > >Dave Otto >Boise, ID >USA > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:40 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] JD gas tank vent > > > > thanks guys...I called and told him to look for the hole. > > > > Well..headed fer the shed on what looks like a darn nice day > > > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > RickinMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Shulaw" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] JD gas tank vent > > > > > > > If it has the original fill cap there is a vent hole in it. TTYL, > > Mark > > > > > > At 08:53 AM 11/18/06, you wrote: > > > > For a friend, gang. How is the gas tank vented on a small JD "E"? > > > > > > > >TIA, > > > >RickinMt. > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >SEL mailing list > > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > > > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > > > Parts lists available on request. > > > > > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > > > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > > > Phone > > > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls > > if > > > possible. > > > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > > > represent > > > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist > > and > > > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 Verizon Cell #419.516.2996 Mark #330.475.4450 Christine From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com Sat Nov 18 19:41:06 2006 From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:41:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass Message-ID: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a friend who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. Thanks Bob -- <> <> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 18 16:46:16 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:46:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More Stover Restoration Pictures Message-ID: <00a401c70b74$1fa3aa40$240110ac@FAMILY> For you folks who are following along with me on the Stover restoration I have added some more pictures. The new pictures are close up pictures of the governor gear, governor sleeve and cam assembly. I originally had some questions as to how far apart this assembly would come but after the clean up and blasting it became obvious that the Governor Gear, Governor Sleeve and Can was all one assembly as the pictures will show. Also the new pictures show the final sandblasting of the block and the priming of the block. Open this album and then use the "Skip to Photo" option and arrow down to picture #274 to start with the new pictures: WARNING: This album contains over 300 pictures in is so if you have dial up you will probably want to skip it. http://community.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=554884600&key=StYIhb Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 18 17:54:13 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:54:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20061118201030.0305b7a0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <008201c70b49$141001e0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <6.2.1.2.1.20061118201030.0305b7a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061118205223.0438f008@mail.alltel.net> > The damn Maytag 92s with their vent in the fill plugs have corrupted my > memory. Egg on face, ok I'll go away now. TTYL, Mark That will happen EVERY time you own one of those bastards that has not been FIXED! Dave From segray at bigvalley.net Sat Nov 18 22:36:28 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:36:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent In-Reply-To: <008201c70b49$141001e0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <008201c70b49$141001e0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <455FFB6C.2020008@bigvalley.net> My 1929 horse & a half is the same way. Was full of dried grease and painted over when I got it in '93. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dave Otto wrote: >Hi Rick > >On my JD, a late one; 1944, the vent hole is drilled in the engine block and >intersects the fuel filler hole just below where the plug's threads would >stop. There is no hole in the plug it's self. > >Dave > > >Dave Otto >Boise, ID >USA > > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net From rwenig at telus.net Sat Nov 18 20:10:37 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 21:10:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> Message-ID: <455FD93D.5090103@telus.net> Hello Bob, Your friendly neighborhood cat will do a good job of putting a patina on new brass. Just put it in his litter box where he can pee on it a few times. Rupert Bob Matthews wrote: > What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a friend > who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. > > Thanks > Bob > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From jbcast at charter.net Sun Nov 19 00:09:00 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 0:09:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass Message-ID: <182024843.1163923740039.JavaMail.root@fepweb02> ---- Bob Matthews wrote: > What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a friend > who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. > > Thanks > Bob First he'll have to use paint remover to remove the clear finish, then wash it with amonia. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 19 00:43:19 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:43:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics Message-ID: <20061119084305.ALN25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I have added some pictures that Cam Grundy took last weekend at the Bombala rally: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/bom061.html Thanks for the pics Cam. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 18 13:40:41 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:40:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20061118093613.03055040@pop3.wcoil.com> <4d068477d78d47265145fa98c60f5128@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <008c01c70b5a$32881610$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Elden did another year sneak upon you. Happy Birthday and may you have many more. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! > Yeah, Elden, Happy Birthday! > > On Nov 18, 2006, at 10:39 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: >> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sun Nov 19 01:28:41 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:28:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Thanks for the great pics Patrick. Sorry i missed you there. Perhaps next year. Regards Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:36:30 +1100 > >I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to >attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a >selection >of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: House hunt online now! http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Erealestate%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dres%26cu%3DMSN&_t=758874163&_r=HM_EndText_Nov06&_m=EXT From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Nov 19 03:14:29 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:14:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> References: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <45603C95.7010403@steamengine.com.au> Would you walk up to a bloke whacking things with a hammer in a dark shed only lit by flaming torches and complain? I didn't think so :) Paul fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > WAY KEWL Curt!! In that last pic is Devin working by the light of a couple of > yellow dogs? And have you heard any grief from the neighbors about the > late-night ringing of the anvil? > > See ya, Arnie > > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 19 05:43:00 2006 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:43:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> Message-ID: <001901c70be0$a20d9f10$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Return to the store and trade it for the antique brass finish, it's just paint. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Matthews" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:41 PM Subject: [SEL] patina on brass > What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a friend > who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. > > Thanks > Bob > > -- > <> > <> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 11/17/2006 > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 19 07:47:30 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 10:47:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: IHC 2hp famous vertical info wanted Message-ID: <1163951250.45607c928d76b@webmail.city-net.com> ----- Forwarded message from Peter Lowe ----- Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:46:49 +1100 From: Peter Lowe Reply-To: Peter Lowe Subject: IHC 2hp famous vertical info wanted To: Arnie Fero Hi Arnie Could you please send this to ATIS for me. Hi All Is there anyone out there who has a vertical famous 2hp that has a screen cooled tank, I would like some measurements please of the tank. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm ----- End forwarded message ----- From rwenig at telus.net Sun Nov 19 07:48:46 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:48:46 -0700 Subject: OT: Re: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <455FD93D.5090103@telus.net> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> <455FD93D.5090103@telus.net> Message-ID: <45607CDE.5060801@telus.net> Hello Bob, I was quite serous when I said the below. It works. But, I wasn't thinking of new purchased hardware. Purchased hardware has a hard protective coating on it to preserve the shine. This must be removed before you try anything. The protective coating used to be clear lacquer but they may be using clear coat such as the clear coat they use on autos now. Or, like someone else said, return it to the store and exchange for the antique finished items. Rupert Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello Bob, > Your friendly neighborhood cat will do a good job of putting a > patina on new brass. Just put it in his litter box where he can pee on > it a few times. > > Rupert > > Bob Matthews wrote: >> What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a >> friend who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. >> >> Thanks >> Bob >> > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 19 08:20:15 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:20:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> Message-ID: <215F9470-8E09-44E2-B808-3C636C89055F@rustyiron.com> On Nov 18, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: > What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a > friend who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. Hi Bob, The quickest method I've used can be dangerous if you're dumb, so think it over thoroughly before you do it. Do the work in outside when there is no breeze. Do NOT do this in a basement, a closed shop, or in your closet. Wear goggles, and it's best if you don't breathe during the process. Into a plastic container (one gallon size might work), pour about a tablespoon of household bleach. Move the bleach container away from your work area. Now take about a tablespoon of muriatic (pool) acid, stop breathing, and add the acid to the bleach. You're now generating deadly chlorine gas. It's heavier than air, so you have a little time to work. Take your part, which is already clean and dangling on a wire, and hold it in the plastic container above the liquid. You'll see the color turn in seconds. If you're fast, you can do a couple parts. When you're done, leave the area and give the gas time to dissipate. In WWI, chlorine was used as a chemical weapon. You can not make mistakes. Keep your large jugs of chemicals separate, by eight feet or more, so if you managed to spill BOTH containers, the contents would still not mix. If you somehow manage to mix large quantities, there is nothing you can do except evacuate the area immediately. From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 19 11:07:14 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:07:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> Message-ID: <768738618035ffde2b9b61d2503228f1@chartertn.net> If it's the black patina you want, a solution of lime sulfur from the garden store works well. Use steel wool to rub it off the high spots to give a worn look. John On Nov 18, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: > What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a > friend who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edurand at iglou.com Sun Nov 19 13:40:39 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:40:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! In-Reply-To: <4d068477d78d47265145fa98c60f5128@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Rick and John: Thanks, guys! I'm now only half a decade from being an Old Fart! Anyhoo - once I get over this spiking BP (anti depression medication is getting changed), get rid of the divertulitis, CRS Syndrome and hemhorroids, I'll be back to 93.2 percent! Can't wait. BTW, one of the gensets is going to be removed from tha abandoned power station in early December. I hope I'm up to going and giving a hand. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 01:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! > > Yeah, Elden, Happy Birthday! > > On Nov 18, 2006, at 10:39 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edurand at iglou.com Sun Nov 19 13:42:56 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:42:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! In-Reply-To: <008c01c70b5a$32881610$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Paul: Thanks! Kinda chokes me up, knowing that some folks out here in etherland actually care enough to say it. As for having many more - That's exactly what I plan to do! Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 03:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! > > > Hey Elden did another year sneak upon you. Happy > Birthday and may you have > many more. > > Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 19 13:11:00 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:11:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <768738618035ffde2b9b61d2503228f1@chartertn.net> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> <768738618035ffde2b9b61d2503228f1@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061119161017.04475d38@mail.alltel.net> Hi john, What should I use if I want a PUCE patina? Dave At 02:07 PM 11/19/2006, you wrote: >If it's the black patina you want, a solution of lime sulfur from the >garden store works well. Use steel wool to rub it off the high spots to >give a worn look. > >John > >On Nov 18, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: > >>What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a friend >>who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. > > >John Culp From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 19 13:59:41 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:59:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <215F9470-8E09-44E2-B808-3C636C89055F@rustyiron.com> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> <215F9470-8E09-44E2-B808-3C636C89055F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1163973581.4560d3cd244a0@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Kids, Be sure to tune in tomorrow when Mr. Science will teach you how to make phosgene gas and mustard gas. Just the thing for those experiments you've been planning for that nasty kitty cat next door. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Rob Skinner : > Into a plastic container (one gallon size might work), pour about a > tablespoon of household bleach. Move the bleach container away from > your work area. Now take about a tablespoon of muriatic (pool) acid, > stop breathing, and add the acid to the bleach. > > You're now generating deadly chlorine gas. It's heavier than air, so > you have a little time to work. > > In WWI, chlorine was used as a chemical weapon. From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 19 14:07:30 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:07:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Small Saturday show pictures. Message-ID: <20061119.140730.1788.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Saturday my local club WAPA was invited to participate in the Etiwanda Historical Society's Annual Open House at the Chaffey-Garcia House. This year the event was enlarged greatly and now covers a couple hundred yards of the street in front of the house. Our display was moved from the courtyard to across the right of way from the old Pacific Electric RR station in Etiwanda. A beautiful Southern California day with temps approaching 90?F, with a gentle breeze. Life is good. Pictures at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32362827&f= Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Nov 19 14:10:39 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:10:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Captured WW-II Aircraft Buried in Indiana In-Reply-To: <00c801c6e933$0e032990$8335c53e@doc> References: <200610061202125.SM01384@new.databak.co.za> <00c801c6e933$0e032990$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061119170626.02f354a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi All, Heres some interesting reading on a cool Sunday evening. TTYL, Mark http://www.indianamilitary.org/FreemanAAF/Museum/FF_museum.html From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 19 15:19:35 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:19:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Small Saturday show pictures. References: <20061119.140730.1788.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000a01c70c31$2e953650$3259ecdc@Edd> Nice selection of pics.Thanks Ron. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Small Saturday show pictures. > Hi all. Saturday my local club WAPA was invited to participate in the > Etiwanda Historical Society's Annual Open House at the Chaffey-Garcia > House. This year the event was enlarged greatly and now covers a couple > hundred yards of the street in front of the house. Our display was moved > from the courtyard to across the right of way from the old Pacific > Electric RR station in Etiwanda. A beautiful Southern California day > with temps approaching 90?F, with a gentle breeze. Life is good. > > Pictures at: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32362827&f= > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 19 16:07:04 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:07:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Small Saturday show pictures. References: <20061119.140730.1788.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <004f01c70c37$d034e310$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Ron, great pictures and it is good to see that there still little shows going on around the country. Enjoyed the pictures very much. Paul' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Small Saturday show pictures. > Hi all. Saturday my local club WAPA was invited to participate in the > Etiwanda Historical Society's Annual Open House at the Chaffey-Garcia > House. This year the event was enlarged greatly and now covers a couple > hundred yards of the street in front of the house. Our display was moved > from the courtyard to across the right of way from the old Pacific > Electric RR station in Etiwanda. A beautiful Southern California day > with temps approaching 90?F, with a gentle breeze. Life is good. > > Pictures at: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32362827&f= > >> From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sun Nov 19 16:16:40 2006 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:16:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Captured WW-II Aircraft Buried in Indiana References: <200610061202125.SM01384@new.databak.co.za><00c801c6e933$0e032990$8335c53e@doc> <6.2.1.2.1.20061119170626.02f354a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000f01c70c39$2b00f260$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Quit interesting Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: Captured WW-II Aircraft Buried in Indiana > Hi All, Heres some interesting reading on a cool Sunday evening. TTYL, > Mark > > http://www.indianamilitary.org/FreemanAAF/Museum/FF_museum.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 19 16:52:46 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:52:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <1163973581.4560d3cd244a0@webmail.city-net.com> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> <215F9470-8E09-44E2-B808-3C636C89055F@rustyiron.com> <1163973581.4560d3cd244a0@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4F32C0B8-D81C-43FD-83A4-86ADBBBBFB32@rustyiron.com> On Nov 19, 2006, at 1:59 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Be sure to tune in tomorrow when Mr. Science will teach you how to > make phosgene > gas and mustard gas. Just the thing for those experiments you've > been planning > for that nasty kitty cat next door. 8-)) Hey neutronhead, Has that deal with the North Koreans netted you enough cash so you could obtain all the smoke detectors needed to finish your suitcase nuke? From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun Nov 19 17:07:11 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:07:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith References: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <007901c70c40$36e695b0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Thanks for the Pic's Patrick, they are excellent. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith >I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to > attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a > selection > of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 19 18:16:42 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:16:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3379721689d62682c27724dbbebba27a@chartertn.net> > Thanks, guys! I'm now only half a decade from being an Old Fart! Man, five years already?! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 19 18:17:30 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:17:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20061119161017.04475d38@mail.alltel.net> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> <768738618035ffde2b9b61d2503228f1@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20061119161017.04475d38@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <807378d6352111da3d11076eb519d905@chartertn.net> Just puke on it. John On Nov 19, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi john, What should I use if I want a PUCE patina? > Dave John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 19 18:23:31 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:23:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Mailbox Picture Message-ID: <00b801c70c4a$dff950c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Gang Bill Brueck was kind enough to send us his engine mailbox picture: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BruekEnginemailbox.jpg Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 19 16:11:47 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:11:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics References: <20061119084305.ALN25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <006201c70c38$78e82490$240110ac@FAMILY> Patrick, Cam enjoyed the heck out of the pictures. I am a little worried about the man on the yellow trolley, he looks a little thin and pale like maybe he is about to give up the ghost. Beautiful pictures and a great assortment of engines. Thanks Cam for taking them and thanks Patrick for posting them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 2:43 AM Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics >I have added some pictures that Cam Grundy took last weekend at the Bombala > rally: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/bom061.html > Thanks for the pics Cam. > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 20 11:29:51 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:29:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> References: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4562022F.9020907@imc-group.com> Yup Arnie, those are the yellow dogs. Missy and I are in the habit of sitting in the driveway in the evenings after work and I having a beer and Missy a mixed drink of some kind. The plan was to have the yellow dog beside us, filled with teeky (sp?) oil that keeps the biting bugs away. But ever since the blacksmith building went up, Devin borrowed the yellow dog for lighting in his building. I offered to put up a lightbulb in there for him, to which he replied in a very affirmative way, "I ain't havin' no stickin' 'lectricity in a blacksmith building, the yellow dog will do". What's a father to do, when a hip young lad squarely rejects modern technology in his blacksmith building? .....I bot him another bottle of teky oil. As to the noise, the neighbors are pretty far away as the lots are large. In addition to the nostalgia of the ringing anvil is the ever present smell of burning coal in the neighborhood. Now picture this..... Missy and I enjoying our evening drink (minus the yellow dog), with the sweet pleasant aroma of burning coal in the air, the ringing of the anvil, while we sit and watch Devin entertain us in the distance. Ahh life is good! Curt fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >WAY KEWL Curt!! In that last pic is Devin working by the light of a couple of >yellow dogs? And have you heard any grief from the neighbors about the >late-night ringing of the anvil? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Curt : > > > >>A while back I posted a couple of pictures of a blacksmith building we >>were putting up for Devin. That is all done now and he's having a blast. >>Here is the link: >> >> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/BlacksmithDevin/Thumbnails.html> >At the very bottom of the page are 3 new photos of Devin working in his > > >>shop. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 20 11:13:14 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:13:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <4562022F.9020907@imc-group.com> References: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> <4562022F.9020907@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hiya Curt, Yer well on the way here dude!! Ya know what you need to add? A small power, a couple of rod lines, and a couple of pump jacks. Now you've got a running engine and that wonderful creaking and squeeking to add to the music. Damn, you've got me getting all weepy here. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 20 Nov 2006, Curt wrote: > Yup Arnie, those are the yellow dogs. Missy and I are in the habit of > sitting in the driveway in the evenings after work and I having a beer > and Missy a mixed drink of some kind. The plan was to have the yellow > dog beside us, filled with teeky (sp?) oil that keeps the biting bugs > away. But ever since the blacksmith building went up, Devin borrowed the > yellow dog for lighting in his building. I offered to put up a lightbulb > in there for him, to which he replied in a very affirmative way, "I > ain't havin' no stickin' 'lectricity in a blacksmith building, the > yellow dog will do". What's a father to do, when a hip young lad > squarely rejects modern technology in his blacksmith building? .....I > bot him another bottle of teky oil. > > As to the noise, the neighbors are pretty far away as the lots are > large. In addition to the nostalgia of the ringing anvil is the ever > present smell of burning coal in the neighborhood. Now picture this..... > Missy and I enjoying our evening drink (minus the yellow dog), with the > sweet pleasant aroma of burning coal in the air, the ringing of the > anvil, while we sit and watch Devin entertain us in the distance. Ahh > life is good! From segray at bigvalley.net Mon Nov 20 13:28:33 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:28:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Milker update In-Reply-To: <001f01c70312$c9f79890$e5c30b52@no1> References: <45518D57.7060009@bigvalley.net> <001f01c70312$c9f79890$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <45621E01.1000305@bigvalley.net> Hey All - For those who replied and/or have any interest in this milker engine project, I've put the rest of the current pictures up (#6-9) showing the guts of the crankcase, primarily the vacuum pump. The engine con rod assembly is Ford T in this engine. As Tim had mentioned earlier, the head bolts ended up being candidates for the flame wrench, 4 of the 6 backing out nicely after some heat. Two had little or no heads left, so I went in with a Makita grinder and ground any of the remaining heads away, leaving just the bolt shanks. The head came right off, after which, I used a stud wrench to remove the remaining bolts (pic #6). The pump (on the left end of the crank in pic #7 has seen lots of water, but is free. The copper tubing leads from a piston pump in a closed oil sump in the base and pumps oil into a site glass on top of the block before running down over the pump casting. This oil eventually makes it over to a dip sump under the engine con rod before returning to the hidden sump via an oil passage. Pics 8 & 9 show the vacuum pump. The pistons are tied together by a ridged con rod, while one piston has a normal con rod tied to the special throw on the end of the crank. The pump valving is operated by bronze fork in pic 9 and an eccentric, also on the end of the crank. http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker6.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker7.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker8.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker9.jpg - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Nov 20 16:04:36 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:04:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <4562022F.9020907@imc-group.com> References: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> <4562022F.9020907@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <43b46a3fffd244183827f7847958dbe1@chartertn.net> Jennifer says Devin's blacksmith shed is nicer than the forge in ETSU's art department. Jenn's an art major focusing on metals, but blacksmithing's not her bag. She's more into little stuff like jewelry. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 20 16:59:44 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:59:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Milker update References: <45518D57.7060009@bigvalley.net><001f01c70312$c9f79890$e5c30b52@no1> <45621E01.1000305@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: <005d01c70d08$55e26bb0$240110ac@FAMILY> Wow! Steve, looks like you have big project on your hands. Thanks for the pictures and keep us posted as you go along. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Milker update > Hey All - > > For those who replied and/or have any interest in this milker engine > project, I've put the rest of the current pictures up (#6-9) showing the > guts of the crankcase, primarily the vacuum pump. The engine con rod > assembly is Ford T in this engine. As Tim had mentioned earlier, the head > bolts ended up being candidates for the flame wrench, 4 of the 6 From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 20 17:07:30 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:07:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... In-Reply-To: <000c01c70aad$9027dce0$3259ecdc@Edd> References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com> <000c01c70aad$9027dce0$3259ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> Thanks Edd. Since you are a machining expert, I've got a question for you about tweaking a lathe in. Once I have the bed level all directions with a precision level, and if I still experience taper when using the tail stock, what is the procedure for dialing in the tailstock? Anyway of telling which side of center I may be on before making adjustments to the tailstock? Curt Edd Payne wrote: > Great job Curt.Really enjoyed the pics.That old lath will do a lot of > work for you. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:13 AM > Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > >> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From skipl130 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 20 17:47:01 2006 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:47:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] 4 horse mogul In-Reply-To: <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> anyone know where to get a rod bearing for a 4 horse mogul? would also like to know the paint color. thanks, skip Curt wrote: Thanks Edd. Since you are a machining expert, I've got a question for you about tweaking a lathe in. Once I have the bed level all directions with a precision level, and if I still experience taper when using the tail stock, what is the procedure for dialing in the tailstock? Anyway of telling which side of center I may be on before making adjustments to the tailstock? Curt Edd Payne wrote: > Great job Curt.Really enjoyed the pics.That old lath will do a lot of > work for you. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:13 AM > Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > >> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Mon Nov 20 17:50:13 2006 From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:50:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith shed finished Message-ID: <005501c70d0f$6366f1f0$6501a8c0@T60> Curt failed to mention that while Devin is hammering away It gives Curt and Missey time to be alone with each other in a "private setting" As long as the anvil is ringing they will be un disturbed! List lurker TB From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Mon Nov 20 18:03:33 2006 From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:03:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <4562022F.9020907@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005a01c70d11$3fc15b30$6501a8c0@T60> While Devin is hammering his little heart out Curt are reclining in the dark with an adult beverage, up to "NO Good". As long as they can hear the anvil ring They know where Devin is and will not be disturbed! List lurker TB -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:30 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... Yup Arnie, those are the yellow dogs. Missy and I are in the habit of sitting in the driveway in the evenings after work and I having a beer and Missy a mixed drink of some kind. The plan was to have the yellow dog beside us, filled with teeky (sp?) oil that keeps the biting bugs away. But ever since the blacksmith building went up, Devin borrowed the yellow dog for lighting in his building. I offered to put up a lightbulb in there for him, to which he replied in a very affirmative way, "I ain't havin' no stickin' 'lectricity in a blacksmith building, the yellow dog will do". What's a father to do, when a hip young lad squarely rejects modern technology in his blacksmith building? .....I bot him another bottle of teky oil. As to the noise, the neighbors are pretty far away as the lots are large. In addition to the nostalgia of the ringing anvil is the ever present smell of burning coal in the neighborhood. Now picture this..... Missy and I enjoying our evening drink (minus the yellow dog), with the sweet pleasant aroma of burning coal in the air, the ringing of the anvil, while we sit and watch Devin entertain us in the distance. Ahh life is good! Curt fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >WAY KEWL Curt!! In that last pic is Devin working by the light of a couple of >yellow dogs? And have you heard any grief from the neighbors about the >late-night ringing of the anvil? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Curt : > > > >>A while back I posted a couple of pictures of a blacksmith building we >>were putting up for Devin. That is all done now and he's having a blast. >>Here is the link: >> >> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/BlacksmithDevin/Thumbna ils.html> >At the very bottom of the page are 3 new photos of Devin working in his > > >>shop. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Nov 20 18:23:22 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:23:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 4 horse mogul References: <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e501c70d14$054fa080$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> A good start is to put an indicator in the chuck on the headstock and then swing it around the inside of the taper on the tailstock. If the tailstock ram is loose you will have to take it apart, find out way and fix it and ten proceed as above. Most tailstocks can be adjusted back and forth so this is pretty straight forward. You will have to wing it on up and down since most lathes do not have a vertical adjustment. If you can get everything real close you could touch it up by re-reaming the tailstock but this would have to be done with great care as it has already been reamed to size and removing too much will completely screw things up. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Landis" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: [SEL] 4 horse mogul anyone know where to get a rod bearing for a 4 horse mogul? would also like to know the paint color. thanks, skip Curt wrote: Thanks Edd. Since you are a machining expert, I've got a question for you about tweaking a lathe in. Once I have the bed level all directions with a precision level, and if I still experience taper when using the tail stock, what is the procedure for dialing in the tailstock? Anyway of telling which side of center I may be on before making adjustments to the tailstock? Curt From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 20 18:48:56 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:48:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 4 horse mogul References: <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: paint code here, Skip; http://www.oldengine.org/members/murphy/engine_paint_codes.htm or http://www.oldengine.org/members/shpclub/tid002.htm Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Landis" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: [SEL] 4 horse mogul > anyone know where to get a rod bearing for a 4 horse mogul? would also > like to know the paint color. thanks, skip > > Curt wrote: Thanks Edd. Since you are a machining > expert, I've got a question for > you about tweaking a lathe in. Once I have the bed level all directions > with a precision level, and if I still experience taper when using the > tail stock, what is the procedure for dialing in the tailstock? Anyway > of telling which side of center I may be on before making adjustments to > the tailstock? > Curt > > > Edd Payne wrote: > > > Great job Curt.Really enjoyed the pics.That old lath will do a lot of > > work for you. > > EDD PAYNE > > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > > Australia > > 2852 > > Phone:0263742387 > > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > > edsengns > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:13 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > > > > >> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months > >> ago > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - > Click now to apply > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Nov 20 22:53:13 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:53:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com><000c01c70aad$9027dce0$3259ecdc@Edd> <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000601c70d39$b7fbadd0$3259ecdc@Edd> Hi Curt.What you do is put some shafting between centres.Then take a cut at the headstock end and measure the dia.Then with the same setting on the cross slide take a cut at the tailstock end.If there is a difference in dia ie 1" head 1.010' tail then you need to move the tailstock towards the front.,you then repeat the procedure till you get the same dia both ends.If you have an adjustable head stock you need to set it first by turning a length of material held only in the chuck and checking it for parallel. 0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > Thanks Edd. Since you are a machining expert, I've got a question for you > about tweaking a lathe in. Once I have the bed level all directions with a > precision level, and if I still experience taper when using the tail > stock, what is the procedure for dialing in the tailstock? Anyway of > telling which side of center I may be on before making adjustments to the > tailstock? > Curt > > > Edd Payne wrote: > >> Great job Curt.Really enjoyed the pics.That old lath will do a lot of >> work for you. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >> To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:13 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... >> >> >>> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 20 17:26:44 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:26:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Richard Backus e-mail address Message-ID: <009a01c70d0c$1baf4b30$240110ac@FAMILY> Can some send me Richard Backus (GEM) e-mail address? Thanks Paul From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Nov 20 23:12:00 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:12:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Need Richard Backus e-mail address Message-ID: <20061120.231200.1060.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Paul. Try; rbackus at ogdenpubs.com Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:26:44 -0600 "Paul Maples" writes: > Can some send me Richard Backus (GEM) e-mail address? Thanks > > Paul From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Nov 21 04:23:40 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:23:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics In-Reply-To: <20061119084305.ALN25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20061121122339.QAFM25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> One of my agents has provided me with evidence of Cam at work taking photos at the Bombala rally (warning; this may scare the delicate amongst us): http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala06/_MG_5112.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I have added some pictures that Cam Grundy took last weekend at the Bombala rally: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/bom061.html Thanks for the pics Cam. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 21 04:34:36 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 06:34:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Richard Backus e-mail address References: <20061120.231200.1060.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002f01c70d69$685fbb60$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Ron, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:12 AM Subject: [SEL] Need Richard Backus e-mail address > Hi Paul. > Try; rbackus at ogdenpubs.com > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 21 04:42:19 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:42:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... In-Reply-To: <000601c70d39$b7fbadd0$3259ecdc@Edd> References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com><000c01c70aad$9027dce0$3259ecdc@Edd> <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> <000601c70d39$b7fbadd0$3259ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <4562F42B.30504@imc-group.com> Edd, I will give your's and Jim's methods a try. The head stock is not adjustable (I think) as it is machined to fit over the same "vee" ways that the carriage moves on. Curt Edd Payne wrote: > Hi Curt.What you do is put some shafting between centres.Then take a > cut at the headstock end and measure the dia.Then with the same > setting on the cross slide take a cut at the tailstock end.If there is > a difference in dia ie 1" head 1.010' tail then you need to move the > tailstock towards the front.,you then repeat the procedure till you > get the same dia both ends.If you have an adjustable head stock you > need to set it first by turning a length of material held only in the > chuck and checking it for parallel. > 0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > >> Thanks Edd. Since you are a machining expert, I've got a question for >> you about tweaking a lathe in. Once I have the bed level all >> directions with a precision level, and if I still experience taper >> when using the tail stock, what is the procedure for dialing in the >> tailstock? Anyway of telling which side of center I may be on before >> making adjustments to the tailstock? >> Curt >> >> >> Edd Payne wrote: >> >>> Great job Curt.Really enjoyed the pics.That old lath will do a lot >>> of work for you. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>> To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:13 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... >>> >>> >>>> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of >>>> months ago >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 21 04:55:27 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:55:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics In-Reply-To: <20061121122339.QAFM25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20061121122339.QAFM25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <4562F73F.4060002@imc-group.com> Patrick, You are spot on that Cam alone is a scary sight, and Cam working even scarier. While we were there, the most we saw him do was the 16 oz. curl! Hey the Bombala rally actually made the Platypus newsletter. Moving up in the world! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >One of my agents has provided me with evidence of Cam at work taking photos >at the Bombala rally (warning; this may scare the delicate amongst us): > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala06/_MG_5112.JPG > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- > >I have added some pictures that Cam Grundy took last weekend at the Bombala >rally: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/bom061.html >Thanks for the pics Cam. > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 21 05:09:17 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:09:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics References: <20061121122339.QAFM25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <004e01c70d6e$407ebd80$240110ac@FAMILY> Patrick I am so glad to see that Cam is being well fed as rumor had it that he was wasting away. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; "'Stationary Engine Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 6:23 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Bombala Pics > One of my agents has provided me with evidence of Cam at work taking > photos > at the Bombala rally (warning; this may scare the delicate amongst us): > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala06/_MG_5112.JPG > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Nov 21 05:32:32 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:32:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - any car restorers - headliner question In-Reply-To: <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1030.165.206.180.19.1164115952.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Doesn't apply to engines, may apply to tractors, does apply to cars/trucks. Headliner - the backing is like some fiberglass insulation batt that's been compressed and shaped. The vinyl is off because the foam backing on the vinyl gave way. All that's left is the fiberglass backerboard. It's a bit soft in places, especially a couple of the edges and corners. Is there a simple way to stiffen it up (like fiberlgass viagra?) that's water resistant (in case of leaks) and won't change the shape? I need to recover it but want any vinyl applied to have a nice smooth finish and keep the curves intact. It's been suggested to spray it with a paintgun loaded with watered-down elmers glue, but although that would work, it certainly won't be water resistant at all and the first bit of a leak and it's melt-down time (not as bad as a melt-down in Arnie's profession, but not good either) So has anyone needed to stiffen up a headliner backer, or other similar material and what would be the process? Anything that can be SPRAYED on it that would soak in and really stiffen it up? The rest of the car is literally ending up show-quality (we've spent weeks blocking it so it's perfect) so this needs to be good as well. Thanks. Bill Runnells, IA (Luke is coming back from Korea for a visit! - with a girl............) From falcon at telenet.net Tue Nov 21 07:21:04 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:21:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - any car restorers - headliner question In-Reply-To: <1030.165.206.180.19.1164115952.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1030.165.206.180.19.1164115952.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <45631960.5020109@telenet.net> bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Doesn't apply to engines, may apply to tractors, does apply to cars/trucks. > > Headliner - the backing is like some fiberglass insulation batt that's > been compressed and shaped. The vinyl is off because the foam backing on > the vinyl gave way. All that's left is the fiberglass backerboard. It's a > bit soft in places, especially a couple of the edges and corners. > Is there a simple way to stiffen it up (like fiberlgass viagra?) that's > water resistant (in case of leaks) and won't change the shape? > I need to recover it but want any vinyl applied to have a nice smooth > finish and keep the curves intact. > It's been suggested to spray it with a paintgun loaded with watered-down > elmers glue, but although that would work, it certainly won't be water > resistant at all and the first bit of a leak and it's melt-down time (not > as bad as a melt-down in Arnie's profession, but not good either) > > So has anyone needed to stiffen up a headliner backer, or other similar > material and what would be the process? > Anything that can be SPRAYED on it that would soak in and really stiffen > it up? > > The rest of the car is literally ending up show-quality (we've spent weeks > blocking it so it's perfect) so this needs to be good as well. > > Thanks. > > Bill > Runnells, IA > > (Luke is coming back from Korea for a visit! - with a girl............) > Use some polyester resin. The same stuff that you would use to lay up a fiberglass boat or repair a 'vette with. You can thin it out and spray it on OR just brush it on and let it flow out. Either one would work. Once it cures it will be waterproof. It is the same stuff the factory used when they made the backer panel as well. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 21 08:33:01 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:33:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith shed finished In-Reply-To: <005501c70d0f$6366f1f0$6501a8c0@T60> References: <005501c70d0f$6366f1f0$6501a8c0@T60> Message-ID: <45632A3D.6060006@imc-group.com> Tommy Berry wrote: >Curt failed to mention that while Devin is hammering away It gives Curt >and Missey time to be alone with each other in a "private setting" As >long as the anvil is ringing they will be un disturbed! List lurker TB > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Oh THANKS a bunch Tommy! You know Devin reads the digest of the SEL and now our "secret" is no longer a secret! Owe you one buddy! Curt From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Nov 21 08:37:55 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:37:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - any car restorers - headliner question In-Reply-To: <1030.165.206.180.19.1164115952.squirrel@www.antique-engine s.com> References: <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1030.165.206.180.19.1164115952.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061121110923.02f2d920@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Bill, Theres all manner of two part liquid epoxys that could be brushed on. Thats one way to do it. Get one thats fairly thin so it soaks in before it sets up. One product you might have on the shelf already we use on our old gas engines would be gas tank sealer, they come in two part reactive or one part air dry. Or go to a body shop that specializes in fibreglass body panel repair like for a Corvette or a Body Shop supplier like a paint store. Or a headliner shop, no kidding theres one in Lima Ohio specializes in just healiners and vinyl tops. They have products that would do what you need thats like what I described above. With GM products in particular but not the sole culpret, headliner repair is a growing part of the business. The fibreglass body panels have to be Gel coated to get the fibre sealed out or locked down so the fibres will not show. They don't brush it on but I am sure it could be. And considering the clean up time and expense of a gun verses just throwing a $1. brush in the trash thats the way I'd go. Shoot maybe they have a product in a spray bomb can that I don't know of. I know that some of the (GOOD) headliner glue now comes in a spray can Oh and that foam backer?! That helps take care of hiding small imperfections as well as helping the vinyl or fabric hold to the backer, mind you I said small imperfections, yah can't hide a golf ball under it. GRINNNNN Good luck, Mark At 08:32 AM 11/21/06, you wrote: >Doesn't apply to engines, may apply to tractors, does apply to cars/trucks. > >Headliner - the backing is like some fiberglass insulation batt that's >been compressed and shaped. The vinyl is off because the foam backing on >the vinyl gave way. All that's left is the fiberglass backerboard. It's a >bit soft in places, especially a couple of the edges and corners. >Is there a simple way to stiffen it up (like fiberlgass viagra?) that's >water resistant (in case of leaks) and won't change the shape? >I need to recover it but want any vinyl applied to have a nice smooth >finish and keep the curves intact. >It's been suggested to spray it with a paintgun loaded with watered-down >elmers glue, but although that would work, it certainly won't be water >resistant at all and the first bit of a leak and it's melt-down time (not >as bad as a melt-down in Arnie's profession, but not good either) > >So has anyone needed to stiffen up a headliner backer, or other similar >material and what would be the process? >Anything that can be SPRAYED on it that would soak in and really stiffen >it up? > >The rest of the car is literally ending up show-quality (we've spent weeks >blocking it so it's perfect) so this needs to be good as well. > >Thanks. > >Bill >Runnells, IA > >(Luke is coming back from Korea for a visit! - with a girl............) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 08:01:31 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:01:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... In-Reply-To: <4562F42B.30504@imc-group.com> References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com> <000c01c70aad$9027dce0$3259ecdc@Edd> <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> <000601c70d39$b7fbadd0$3259ecdc@Edd> <4562F42B.30504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160611210801s2edd7f83xf27c40445f964bcc@mail.gmail.com> On 21/11/06, Curt wrote: > Edd, > I will give your's and Jim's methods a try. > The head stock is not adjustable (I think) as it is machined to fit over > the same "vee" ways that the carriage moves on. > Curt > Most tailstocks are adjustable side to side, look for the join in the body just above the baseline. Our Raglan Littlejohn lathe is made so you can really offset it a lot over one way and lock it in place with a screw on each side to stop movement. The only one we can't do that on is the Ward 2A, but that is a Capstan anyway :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From edurand at iglou.com Tue Nov 21 12:26:15 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:26:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... In-Reply-To: <4562F42B.30504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt: If it's a REALLY cheap lathe and neither the headstock or tailstock is adjustable AND it is only a few thousandths out, you could place shims under one of the mounting pads and retighten. This will twist the ways a little, in effect moving the tailstock some. It would be a cut-and-try process. Of course, if it's too far off and you have to select a shim that's really thick to get the twist you need, when you tighten the bolt, you will hear the loud "CRACK", followed by your own personal comment. THEN you can hope the next lathe you own is of slightly better quality........Nyuk, nyuk! Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 06:42 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > Edd, > I will give your's and Jim's methods a try. > The head stock is not adjustable (I think) as it > is machined to fit over > the same "vee" ways that the carriage moves on. > Curt From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Nov 21 11:52:50 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:52:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Elden, I'll file that info away. Steve >From: "Elden DuRand" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:31:37 -0600 > >Ron & Steve: > >I think I didn't give enough information before. Referring to my 1908 >Electrical Engineer's Handbook, I have the following data for annealed >copper wire: > >16 gauge wire - 249.4 ft/Ohm >18 gauge wire - 156.9 ft/Ohm >20 gauge wire - 98.66 ft/Ohm >22 gauge wire - 62.05 ft/Ohm > >For a 6 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 3 Ohms or: > >16 gauge wire - 750 ft >18 gauge wire - 471 ft >20 gauge wire - 297 ft >22 gauge wire - 189 ft > >For a 12 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 6 Ohms or: > >16 gauge wire - 1,500 ft >18 gauge wire - 942 ft >20 gauge wire - 594 ft >22 gauge wire - 378 ft > >Simple, eh? Makes me want to go out and wind a few coils! > >Other than measuring the length of the wire before starting winding, you >could select your wire gauge and make a guess at the size of bobbin you'd >need for the requisite amount of wire (adding some just for yucks). Then, >after winding what you -think- is enough, hook one lead of your trusty >Ohmmeter to the "starting" end then scrape just a minute amound of >insulation off the wire and measure. From that, you should be able to tell >how close you are. > >To fix the insulation, you could either fold a tiny sliver of tissue paper >around the wire then wind it onto the winding or you could give it a shot >of either lacquer or "glyptol" to insulate the spot. > >Take care - Elden >edurand at iglou.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Steve > > Royster > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 12:58 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils > > > > > > How can you check the proper resistance after > > winding the coil, but before > > you cut the roll of wire you are winding it from? > > Thanks, Steve > > > > > > >From: "Elden DuRand" > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > > >Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils > > >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:54:40 -0600 > > > > > >Ron: > > > > > >I think around 18 to 20 gauge would work well. > > Wind enough wire on the > > >core to get enough resistance for it to draw a > > couple of amps at whatever > > >voltage you plan to run it at. > > > > > >Take care - Elden DuRand > > >edurand at iglou.com > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 04:48 PM > > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in > > > > various diameters for > > > > scrap price, what would be a good size for > > winding coils? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Ron Haskell > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 From jnyost at yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 05:03:24 2006 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:03:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: HAPPY THANKSGIVING Message-ID: <20061122130324.81891.qmail@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Note: forwarded message attached. Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Loan for $1399/mo. Calcuate new payment. www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Nov 23 03:51:10 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:51:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics References: <20061121122339.QAFM25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <4562F73F.4060002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <010e01c70ef5$ac444480$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hey Curt, what's a 16 oz curl, is it good or bad. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: ; "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics > Patrick, > You are spot on that Cam alone is a scary sight, and Cam working even > scarier. While we were there, the most we saw him do was the 16 oz. curl! > Hey the Bombala rally actually made the Platypus newsletter. Moving up in > the world! > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC >>To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >>stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >>with: >>unsubscribe >>in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Nov 23 03:54:24 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:54:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics References: <20061121122339.QAFM25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <004e01c70d6e$407ebd80$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <011301c70ef6$1f9c5030$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hi Paul Thanks for the kind words Mate, got get a lot off. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics > Patrick I am so glad to see that Cam is being well fed as rumor had it > that he was wasting away. > > Paul >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 23 04:14:05 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 23:14:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics Message-ID: <20061123121359.CDFJ20265.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Finally added some pics from the Taralga rally last weekend. This is pretty much our last rally for 2006: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 23 09:34:24 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:34:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics References: <20061123121359.CDFJ20265.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <004601c70f25$9ed40490$240110ac@FAMILY> Nice pictures Patrick, thanks for posting them, I really enjoyed them a lot. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:14 AM Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics > Finally added some pics from the Taralga rally last weekend. This is > pretty > much our last rally for 2006: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar061.html > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 23 13:02:19 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 08:02:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics References: <20061123121359.CDFJ20265.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003701c70f42$ab40b030$69336c3a@fred> Nice pictures Patrick , was it a Two day rally? 18th.+ 18thth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics > Finally added some pics from the Taralga rally last weekend. This is > pretty > much our last rally for 2006: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/547 - Release Date: > 22/11/2006 5:41 PM > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 23 14:46:40 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 09:46:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics References: <20061123121359.CDFJ20265.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <003701c70f42$ab40b030$69336c3a@fred> Message-ID: <000801c70f51$3e728a50$95016d3a@Edd> Be kind .A hard long day at the ABC can do that to a man.GREAT PICS MATE. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga Pics > Nice pictures Patrick , was it a Two day rally? 18th.+ 18thth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:14 PM > Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics > > >> Finally added some pics from the Taralga rally last weekend. This is >> pretty >> much our last rally for 2006: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar061.html >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/547 - Release Date: >> 22/11/2006 5:41 PM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 23 16:01:24 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:01:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spencer Message-ID: After a NICE day, only think it's appropriate to say: "Thanks Spence and what you do!!". RickinMt. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 23 20:18:05 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 23:18:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics In-Reply-To: <000801c70f51$3e728a50$95016d3a@Edd> References: <20061123121359.CDFJ20265.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <003701c70f42$ab40b030$69336c3a@fred> <000801c70f51$3e728a50$95016d3a@Edd> Message-ID: <1164341885.4566727d0a8ef@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, You should be ashamed mate. Posting pics of a group sex scene to a family list like this one. The lust in the eyes... AWFUL! http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar06/tar06094.JPG See ya, Arnie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > > > >> Finally added some pics from the Taralga rally last weekend. This is > >> pretty much our last rally for 2006: From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 15:01:15 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 17:01:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cart Design Needed Message-ID: <005201c7101c$725f85e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks as most of you know I am restoring my 1905 Stover 5 HP Vertical Stover. The engine was originally mounted on a skid and it was put in a pump house where it set all of it's life until it was sold. I want to make a cart for it and would like to look at some different designs that folks have come up with such as steel frame, wooden frame, straight frame, dropped cart, .....whatever, just want some ideas as I am not totally committed to try and rebuild it to an original Stover design. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 15:08:42 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 17:08:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cooling Tank Ideas Message-ID: <005b01c7101d$7c92a5f0$240110ac@FAMILY> I would like to see some of the many different types, designs, and configurations of cooling tanks that people have come up with for cooling tanks for their engines other than just the conventional round sheetmetal tanks. Just thought it would be something that everyone might enjoy looking at as well as I am looking for ideas also. I have a new conventional style sheetmetal tank for my Stover I am working on BUT might want to use something more creative just to be different. Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Nov 24 15:14:48 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 18:14:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cooling Tank Ideas In-Reply-To: <005b01c7101d$7c92a5f0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <005b01c7101d$7c92a5f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <0210843fbf654df8d421e6abb9d4b034@chartertn.net> Scroll down a little to see Dolly's Purple Pickle. http://oldengine.org/members/culp/dolly.html John On Nov 24, 2006, at 6:08 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > I would like to see some of the many different types, designs, and > configurations of cooling tanks that people have come up with for > cooling tanks for their engines other than just the conventional round > sheetmetal tanks. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 15:44:37 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 17:44:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cooling Tank Ideas References: <005b01c7101d$7c92a5f0$240110ac@FAMILY> <0210843fbf654df8d421e6abb9d4b034@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <008a01c71022$812c8720$240110ac@FAMILY> Got it John, thanks. From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling Tank Ideas > Scroll down a little to see Dolly's Purple Pickle. > > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/dolly.html > > John > > On Nov 24, 2006, at 6:08 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> I would like to see some of the many different types, designs, and >> configurations of cooling tanks that people have come up with for >> cooling tanks for their engines other than just the conventional round From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 24 16:44:21 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:44:21 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Cooling Tank Ideas References: <005b01c7101d$7c92a5f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000d01c7102a$da6918a0$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 11:08 PM Subject: [SEL] Cooling Tank Ideas I would like to see some of the many different types, designs, and configurations of cooling tanks that people have come up with for cooling tanks for their engines other than just the conventional round sheetmetal tanks. Just thought it would be something that everyone might enjoy looking at as well as I am looking for ideas also. I have a new conventional style sheetmetal tank for my Stover I am working on BUT might want to use something more creative just to be different. Paul Hi Paul, you probably won't be able to copy this. I obtained this 1912 Early Lister J type about 1970 & the origional large steel cooling tank had rusted away. I replaced it with a Dolly Tub which was the tub used years ago in England to hand wash the families clothe's. Nobody ever commented that I had the wrong tank. See http://www.drewpritchard.co.uk/database_images/antiques/940-thumb.jpg for a dolly tub & http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2334296370028520097LyistY for a bad picture of what it looked like. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 18:06:18 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:06:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need John Hammink E-mail address Message-ID: <00e601c71036$4c7430f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Can someone send me John Hamminks e-mail address. Thanks, Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 24 18:36:07 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:36:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Most of you know that I took a drive to KA to pick up an 11 HP Austral which I purchased from Rob and Kelley. It was almost 5,500 miles round trip. The pictures of my trip are finally up at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/Rotigel/Roti_Eng/Austral/index.html It took me 9 days and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Driving across the USA and seeing the change of landscape is well worth the time. Bringing home an Austral made it MUCH more than worthwhile! Dave From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Nov 24 18:38:31 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:38:31 EST Subject: [SEL] Need John Hammink E-mail address Message-ID: In a message dated 11/24/2006 6:09:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: Can someone send me John Hamminks e-mail address. Paul, John died about a year ago. I believe his wife is still maintaining his web site. Francis From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 18:42:38 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:42:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need John Hammink E-mail address References: Message-ID: <011201c7103b$5f7d98d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Francis, several have written to me to let me know that John passed away and I am so sorry for sending out the post as I had no idea he had passed away. Hopefully, if I have offended anyone, they will forgive me. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need John Hammink E-mail address > > In a message dated 11/24/2006 6:09:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: > > Can someone send me John Hamminks e-mail address. > > > Paul, > John died about a year ago. I believe his wife is still maintaining his > web > site. > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 24 18:48:19 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:48:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Season Over! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124214239.03bc0aa0@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The 2006 show season is pretty well over here in the northern hemisphere. I finally got some pictures of the 2006 shows to my son DJ and he has put them up. They can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 18:49:34 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:49:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <011701c7103c$57367f60$240110ac@FAMILY> Great pictures Dave and I really liked how you stopped in front of the various state signs and took pictures of the engine, trailer, and truck. Is that a big steam engine you have on the trailer in some of the first pictures? Thanks for posting them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! > Hi All, > Most of you know that I took a drive to KA to pick up an 11 HP Austral > which I purchased from Rob and Kelley. It was almost 5,500 miles round > trip. The pictures of my trip are finally up at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/Rotigel/Roti_Eng/Austral/index.html It > took me 9 days and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Driving across the USA > and seeing the change of landscape is well worth the time. Bringing home > an Austral made it MUCH more than worthwhile! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 24 19:16:19 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:16:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! In-Reply-To: <011701c7103c$57367f60$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> <011701c7103c$57367f60$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124221457.03bc0be8@mail.alltel.net> >Is that a big steam engine you have on the trailer in some of the first >pictures? >Paul Yup, but it is not on my trailer. I just noticed it in a rest area and took several pictures of it. Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 24 19:19:19 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:19:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need John Hammink E-mail address In-Reply-To: <011201c7103b$5f7d98d0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <011201c7103b$5f7d98d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124221739.03bc0ea0@mail.alltel.net> At 09:42 PM 11/24/2006, you wrote: >Thanks Francis, several have written to me to let me know that John passed >away and I am so sorry for sending out the post as I had no idea he had >passed away. Hopefully, if I have offended anyone, they will forgive me. >Paul Hi Paul, NO ONE should take any offence at your request--and I'm sure that none did! Dave From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 24 20:13:09 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:43:09 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 Volume Set) References: <011201c7103b$5f7d98d0$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20061124221739.03bc0ea0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000701c71048$04a7e430$79dda03a@chaos> Hate to lead people astray, but here is a link to some interesting ebooks in pdf format. http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/scrap_metal_shop.html Could be handy for some. From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 24 20:34:59 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:04:59 +1030 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> Complete Book of Sand Casting http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/sand_casting.html Building a Gas Fired Crucible Furnace http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/gas_furnance.html Making Crucibles http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/making_crucibles.html and this one may be handy reading Secrets of Building a Plastic Vacuum Forming Machine http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/plastic_forming.html Gas Burners for Forges, Furnaces and Kilns http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/gas_burners.html Just follow download links on above pages. From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Nov 24 20:59:01 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:59:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 Volume Set) In-Reply-To: <000701c71048$04a7e430$79dda03a@chaos> Message-ID: <002901c7104e$6d7e3670$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> How do you download them? I've had no success after several tries. Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Hate to lead people astray, but here is a link to some interesting ebooks in pdf format. http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/scrap_metal_shop.html Could be handy for some. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 3:22 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 3:22 PM From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Nov 24 21:14:53 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 23:14:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 Volume Set) In-Reply-To: <002901c7104e$6d7e3670$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <002a01c71050$a50dc680$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Figured it out but only one free download it seems per hour or so. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lew Best Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 10:59 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 Volume Set) How do you download them? I've had no success after several tries. Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Hate to lead people astray, but here is a link to some interesting ebooks in pdf format. http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/scrap_metal_shop.html Could be handy for some. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 3:22 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 3:22 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 3:22 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 3:22 PM From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Nov 24 21:38:15 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:38:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200611250539.kAP5cT0o064929@mail-gw.fsr.net> Wow, Dave! I didn't realize how big of a honker that Austral is until I see it and your truck together. Thank you for posting the very interesting pictures. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 6:36 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! Hi All, Most of you know that I took a drive to KA to pick up an 11 HP Austral which I purchased from Rob and Kelley. It was almost 5,500 miles round trip. The pictures of my trip are finally up at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/Rotigel/Roti_Eng/Austral/index.html It took me 9 days and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Driving across the USA and seeing the change of landscape is well worth the time. Bringing home an Austral made it MUCH more than worthwhile! Dave From rwenig at telus.net Fri Nov 24 22:23:41 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 23:23:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks In-Reply-To: <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> Message-ID: <4567E16D.50302@telus.net> Hi Guys, I hate to say this but a bug of some kind got my protective software very excited when I was on one of these links. don't recall which one as I had three downloading at the same time. So open with care. I found several bad spyware files which are new since yesterday. I risk sending this but figure I should. I go off line now to do more checking. Rupert > Complete Book of Sand Casting > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/sand_casting.html > > Building a Gas Fired Crucible Furnace > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/gas_furnance.html > > Making Crucibles > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/making_crucibles.html > > and this one may be handy reading > Secrets of Building a Plastic Vacuum Forming Machine > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/plastic_forming.html > > > Gas Burners for Forges, Furnaces and Kilns > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/gas_burners.html > > Just follow download links on above pages. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 24 23:05:49 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:35:49 +1030 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net><000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> <4567E16D.50302@telus.net> Message-ID: <000a01c71060$237ba8c0$79dda03a@chaos> sorry, i didnt try the links at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rupert Wenig" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] more ebooks > Hi Guys, > I hate to say this but a bug of some kind got my protective software > very excited when I was on one of these links. don't recall which one as From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 23:31:33 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:31:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Need John Hammink E-mail address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160611242331q62d7738bo16197153034d14db@mail.gmail.com> On 25/11/06, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/24/2006 6:09:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: > > Can someone send me John Hamminks e-mail address. > > > Paul, > John died about a year ago. I believe his wife is still maintaining his web > site. > > Francis > Correct, Francis, Ria Hammink asked that John's site be kept available for all of his friends and other engine guys. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rwenig at telus.net Sat Nov 25 00:58:27 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 01:58:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks In-Reply-To: <000a01c71060$237ba8c0$79dda03a@chaos> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net><000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> <4567E16D.50302@telus.net> <000a01c71060$237ba8c0$79dda03a@chaos> Message-ID: <456805B3.6020700@telus.net> No problem Derek, It was my spyware program that came up with the warning. The file name was "downloader.Zlob.azl". It got installed in three different places before I got the warning. It took an hour but I think I have it all cleaned up now. I'll see if I feel brave enough to go back and figure out where it came from. It could also have come in on a back door of one of the files. I can't download the ebooks as I only have dial up. I did start one though and it started downloading fine. I stopped it after I found out it would take over three hours to get the complete file. I find it strange that the authors would allow the free downloads as they are bread and butter for them. Rupert derek wrote: > sorry, i didnt try the links at all. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rupert Wenig" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] more ebooks > > >> Hi Guys, >> I hate to say this but a bug of some kind got my protective software >> very excited when I was on one of these links. don't recall which one as > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 19:41:45 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:41:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net><011701c7103c$57367f60$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20061124221457.03bc0be8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <011c01c71043$a1f4b290$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Dave I thought maybe you were getting into Steam. I did not pay any attention to the trailer. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trip to KA! > >>Is that a big steam engine you have on the trailer in some of the first >>pictures? >>Paul > > Yup, but it is not on my trailer. I just noticed it in a rest area and > took several pictures of it. > Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 25 04:59:56 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:59:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks In-Reply-To: <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> Message-ID: <45683E4C.3040009@scrtc.com> Derek, I clicked on a couple of the links and it brought up an advertisement for Girls Gone Wild Videos. Not sure what they have gone wild over, possibly old iron?? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Complete Book of Sand Casting > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/sand_casting.html > > Building a Gas Fired Crucible Furnace > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/gas_furnance.html > > Making Crucibles > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/making_crucibles.html > > and this one may be handy reading > Secrets of Building a Plastic Vacuum Forming Machine > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/plastic_forming.html > > > Gas Burners for Forges, Furnaces and Kilns > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/gas_burners.html > > Just follow download links on above pages. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From shop at cccomm.net Sat Nov 25 05:48:43 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 05:48:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Cart Design Needed References: <005201c7101c$725f85e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <007501c71098$6c58c9a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> If you want a heavy duty cart of unique design, here's an idea http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31729261&f= Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Cart Design Needed > Folks as most of you know I am restoring my 1905 Stover 5 HP Vertical > Stover. The engine was originally mounted on a skid and it was put in a > pump house where it set all of it's life until it was sold. I want to make > a cart for it and would like to look at some different designs that folks > have come up with such as steel frame, wooden frame, straight frame, > dropped cart, .....whatever, just want some ideas as I am not totally > committed to try and rebuild it to an original Stover design. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From falcon at telenet.net Sat Nov 25 06:08:22 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:08:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 Volume Set) In-Reply-To: <002a01c71050$a50dc680$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <002a01c71050$a50dc680$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <45684E56.6040802@telenet.net> Use the lower set of links and you can download them all real quick. You just have to find the correct link on the page that comes up when you select the link on the first page. It will say something like, here is your 2 hour link to and show the file name. Then unpack it into the original Pdf files. Lew Best wrote: > Figured it out but only one free download it seems per hour or so. > > Lew > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lew Best > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 10:59 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 > Volume Set) > > How do you download them? I've had no success after several tries. > > Lew Best near Waco, TX > > -----Original Message----- > > Hate to lead people astray, but here is a link to some interesting > ebooks in > pdf format. > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/scrap_metal_shop.html > > Could be handy for some. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 06:34:09 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:34:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks In-Reply-To: <45683E4C.3040009@scrtc.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> <45683E4C.3040009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160611250634g13ea32b2j24bf03c72aba551c@mail.gmail.com> On 25/11/06, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Derek, > I clicked on a couple of the links and it brought up an > advertisement for Girls Gone Wild Videos. Not sure what they have gone > wild over, possibly old iron?? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > Well, it is a Romanian site... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Nov 25 07:55:39 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:55:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> <45683E4C.3040009@scrtc.com> <6f6025160611250634g13ea32b2j24bf03c72aba551c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201c710aa$28037b30$336d4b47@mikecomp> I know that when I bring more old iron home my wife certainly goes wild!!!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] more ebooks > On 25/11/06, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Derek, >> I clicked on a couple of the links and it brought up an >> advertisement for Girls Gone Wild Videos. Not sure what they have gone >> wild over, possibly old iron?? >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> > > Well, it is a Romanian site... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Nov 25 08:20:59 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 08:20:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks In-Reply-To: <456805B3.6020700@telus.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net><000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> <4567E16D.50302@telus.net> <000a01c71060$237ba8c0$79dda03a@chaos> <456805B3.6020700@telus.net> Message-ID: <89B74445-D724-44EE-8FB1-002F41832C89@rustyiron.com> > I find it strange that the authors would allow the free downloads > as they are bread and butter for them. Hi Rupert, It's not strange at all. The site is in Russia, and the Russians are the second biggest internet thieves, right behind China. You can bet Gingery's heirs haven't authorized these downloads. You know what they say about "Sleeping with the dogs...", so don't be surprised if you wake up with spyware if you choose to visit that site. Rob Rob Skinner 1721 Brookdale Avenue ? La Habra, CA 90631 ? 562.694.2301 rskinner at rustyiron.com ? http://www.rustyiron.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 25 08:21:09 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:21:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cart Design Needed References: <005201c7101c$725f85e0$240110ac@FAMILY> <007501c71098$6c58c9a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <017001c710ad$b8375890$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Dave, that is one more heavy duty cart if I ever saw one/ Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cart Design Needed > If you want a heavy duty cart of unique design, here's an idea > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31729261&f= > > Dave > From edurand at iglou.com Sat Nov 25 12:09:03 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:09:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update In-Reply-To: <20061016035321.61476.qmail@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Group: I've posted an update to the web page about the Fairbanks-Morse power station. It's at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From rwenig at telus.net Sat Nov 25 12:49:21 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:49:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks In-Reply-To: <89B74445-D724-44EE-8FB1-002F41832C89@rustyiron.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net><000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> <4567E16D.50302@telus.net> <000a01c71060$237ba8c0$79dda03a@chaos> <456805B3.6020700@telus.net> <89B74445-D724-44EE-8FB1-002F41832C89@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4568AC51.2030202@telus.net> Hello Rob, You can say that again. The worst culprit was a file called "downloader.*** something. My spyware program got excited almost as soon as I clicked on the link. There were three of them with different endings plus some other files I don't want. Took me over an hour to clean up my machine. I have paper versions of all the books in links but took a look to see what it was all about. A 3 or more hour download was out of the question so I didn't download any of the books. I have dial up. The bad stuff wasn't combined with the books. It was in the other links from the main pages. Rupert Rob Skinner wrote: > >> I find it strange that the authors would allow the free downloads as >> they are bread and butter for them. > > Hi Rupert, > It's not strange at all. The site is in Russia, and the Russians are > the second biggest internet thieves, right behind China. You can bet > Gingery's heirs haven't authorized these downloads. > > You know what they say about "Sleeping with the dogs...", so don't be > surprised if you wake up with spyware if you choose to visit that site. > > Rob > > > Rob Skinner > 1721 Brookdale Avenue ? La Habra, CA 90631 ? 562.694.2301 > rskinner at rustyiron.com ? http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > --No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.11/543 - Release Date: > 11/20/2006 9:20 PM > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From oiseming at moscow.com Sat Nov 25 16:07:51 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 16:07:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200611260008.kAQ0830A046507@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you for the update, Elden. It's good to know the equipment won't wind up in the scrap pile. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 12:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update Group: I've posted an update to the web page about the Fairbanks-Morse power station. It's at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20 Station.html Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Sat Nov 25 18:45:11 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:15:11 +1030 Subject: [SEL] re more ebooks Message-ID: <003201c71104$e4ae0660$79dda03a@chaos> These are the links to the files, choose free download, wait required time, enter the three letter code and save the file. I use symantec corporate antivirus (latest definitions) and outlook firewall, i also reject 99.9% of cookies, have never had a problem with any of the other files i have found there. Ammen, C. W. Complete Book of Sand Casting ISBN: 0830698418 | Tab Books, 1979 | 238 pgs | Scanned pdf | 43 Mb http://rapidshare.com/files/4671684/0830698418.rar.html Gingery, David J. | Building a Gas Fired Crucible Furnace ISBN: 1878087088 | Gingery Publishing, 1988 | 108 pgs | pdf | 4.25 Mb http://rapidshare.com/files/4671803/1878087088.rar.html Gingery, Vincent R. | Making Crucibles ISBN: 1878087274 | Gingery Publishing, 2003 | 60 pgs |scanned pdf | 81 Mb http://rapidshare.com/files/4674251/1878087274.rar.html Gingery, Vincent R. | Secrets of Building a Plastic Vacuum Forming Machine ISBN: 1878087223 | Gingery Publishing, 1999 | 106 pgs | pdf | 4 Mb http://rapidshare.com/files/4671914/1878087223.rar.html Porter, Michael Gas Burners for Forges, Furnaces and Kilns ISBN: 1879535203 | Skipjack Press, 2004 | 204 pgs | pdf | 60 Mb http://rapidshare.com/files/4670518/1879535203.rar.html Vol. 1: Charcoal Foundry | ISBN: 1878087002 | Gingery Publishing, 2000 | 80 pgs Charcoal_Foundry.rar (25.54 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4596499/Charcoal_Foundry.rar.html Vol. 2: Metal Lathe | ISBN: 1878087010 | Gingery Publishing, 1980 | 128 pgs Metal_Lathe.rar (1.16 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4596569/Metal_Lathe.rar.html Vol. 3: Metal Shaper | ISBN: 1878087029 | Gingery Publishing, 1998 | 144 pgs Metal_Shaper.rar (1.75 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4596610/Metal_Shaper.rar.html Vol. 4: Milling Machine | ISBN: 1878087037 | Gingery Publishing, 2000 | 160 pgs Milling_Machine.rar (7.31 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4596758/Milling_Machine.rar.html Vol. 5: Drill Press | ISBN: 096043304X | Gingery Publishing, 1982 | 160 Drill_Press.rar (21.77 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4597146/Drill_Press.rar.html Vol. 6: Dividing Head and Deluxe Accessories | ISBN: 0960433058 | Gingery Publishing, 2000 | 160 pgs Dividing_Head.rar (56.38 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4596095/Dividing_Head.rar.html Vol. 7: Sheet Metal Brake | ISBN: 1878087061 | Gingery Publishing, 2000 | 51 pgs Sheet_Metal_Brake.rar (2.35 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4596544/Sheet_Metal_Brake.rar.html From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 25 19:53:28 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:53:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 Volume Set) In-Reply-To: <000701c71048$04a7e430$79dda03a@chaos> Message-ID: <20061126035328.74842.qmail@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That seems wrong to me. I own a copy of all those books. I bought them. They probably are still for sale. Much nicer to have the books than a stack of papers too. Try this link http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/series/index.html Alan Bowen derek wrote: Hate to lead people astray, but here is a link to some interesting ebooks in pdf format. http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/scrap_metal_shop.html Could be handy for some. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. From oiseming at moscow.com Sat Nov 25 20:52:25 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:52:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] re more ebooks In-Reply-To: <003201c71104$e4ae0660$79dda03a@chaos> Message-ID: <200611260452.kAQ4qdiB021391@mail-gw.fsr.net> It certainly looks to me as if there are some serious copyright issues, here. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of derek Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:45 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] re more ebooks These are the links to the files, choose free download, wait required time, enter the three letter code and save the file. I use symantec corporate antivirus (latest definitions) and outlook firewall, i also reject 99.9% of cookies, have never had a problem with any of the other files i have found there. From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Sat Nov 25 22:23:03 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:53:03 +1030 Subject: [SEL] re more ebooks References: <200611260452.kAQ4qdiB021391@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <000801c71123$54995150$79dda03a@chaos> i showed you the cherry orchid, no need to pick the cherries ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] re more ebooks > It certainly looks to me as if there are some serious copyright issues, > here. > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of derek > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:45 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Nov 25 23:22:15 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:22:15 EST Subject: [SEL] O. T. Check out TV Links - How its Made / Done Message-ID: Hi, Here are some interesting sites on how things are made/done. _Click here: TV Links - How its Made / Done_ (http://www.tv-links.co.uk/How_its_done.html) < _http://www.tv-links.co.uk/How_its_done.html_ (http://www.tv-links.co.uk/How_its_done.html) > Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 26 04:29:34 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:29:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics In-Reply-To: <1164341885.4566727d0a8ef@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20061126122923.TYLX3982.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I am a bit worried about you Arnie. Everyone else (except maybe those from New Zealand) just see a pen full of sheep. It is interesting that you are the only one to find the sexual content. Is it those long lonely nights traveling to engine shows with only Dave for company? ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day Patrick, You should be ashamed mate. Posting pics of a group sex scene to a family list like this one. The lust in the eyes... AWFUL! http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar06/tar06094.JPG See ya, Arnie From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 26 04:29:34 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:29:34 +1100 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Taralga Pics In-Reply-To: <003701c70f42$ab40b030$69336c3a@fred> Message-ID: <20061126123021.TYQO3982.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Oh well, just goes to show that not even I am perfect ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Nice pictures Patrick , was it a Two day rally? 18th.+ 18thth ----- Original Message ----- From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Nov 26 06:02:16 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:02:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics In-Reply-To: <20061126122923.TYLX3982.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <1164341885.4566727d0a8ef@webmail.city-net.com> <20061126122923.TYLX3982.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6f6025160611260602k6eb3ef06k6de7f991568511b7@mail.gmail.com> On 26/11/06, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I am a bit worried about you Arnie. Everyone else (except maybe those from > New Zealand) just see a pen full of sheep. It is interesting that you are > the only one to find the sexual content. Is it those long lonely nights > traveling to engine shows with only Dave for company? ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone Maybe Arnie has Welsh ancestry? :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Nov 27 07:46:45 2006 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:46:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT- trailer connector Message-ID: <000a01c7123b$3e5fbaa0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> does anyone have a source for a good quality usa made metal trailer connector ? its the 7 pin RV type. i need both trailer and truck ends,,,,,, my local NAPA store has gone taiwan,, man, i get tired of that plastic crap,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Nov 27 08:24:49 2006 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:24:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update References: Message-ID: <002201c71240$927904c0$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Elden, I'll be looking forward to the updates. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update > Group: > > I've posted an update to the web page about the Fairbanks-Morse power > station. > > It's at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html > > Take care - Elden > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 27 09:59:48 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:59:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT- trailer connector Message-ID: <20061127.125948.780.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bill, Sorry I can't help ya. But - I admire your position on plastic crap. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 27 10:49:08 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:49:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT- trailer connector In-Reply-To: <000a01c7123b$3e5fbaa0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> References: <000a01c7123b$3e5fbaa0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061127134749.03b8f540@mail.alltel.net> At 10:46 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: >does anyone have a source for a good quality usa made metal trailer >connector ? its the 7 pin RV type. >i need both trailer and truck ends,,,,,, >my local NAPA store has gone taiwan,, man, i get tired of that plastic >crap,,, >bill boyce >lost prairie, arkansas Hi Bill, a local auto electrical store here has them. $25.00 per pair. Do you want me to pick a pair up for you? Dave From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Nov 27 12:40:48 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:40:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT- trailer connector Message-ID: <20061127.124049.1360.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Bill. Redneck Trailers has them, they have stores all over the country. See: http://www.redneck-trailer.com/2006/J/J27-J29.pdf Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >does anyone have a source for a good quality usa made metal trailer > > >connector ? its the 7 pin RV type. > >i need both trailer and truck ends,,,,,, > >my local NAPA store has gone taiwan,, man, i get tired of that > plastic > >crap,,, > >bill boyce > >lost prairie, arkansas From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Nov 27 17:38:55 2006 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:38:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT- trailer connector References: <000a01c7123b$3e5fbaa0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> <6.1.2.0.0.20061127134749.03b8f540@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001c01c7128d$f9486b30$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> dave,, thanks for the generous offer,,, i will exhaust my other options before i burden you with picking up the ones you spoke of,, thanks again,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT- trailer connector > At 10:46 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: >>does anyone have a source for a good quality usa made metal trailer >>connector ? its the 7 pin RV type. >>i need both trailer and truck ends,,,,,, >>my local NAPA store has gone taiwan,, man, i get tired of that plastic >>crap,,, >>bill boyce >>lost prairie, arkansas > > Hi Bill, a local auto electrical store here has them. $25.00 per pair. Do > you want me to pick a pair up for you? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Nov 27 19:52:50 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:52:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans Message-ID: <410-220061122835250671@earthlink.net> After giving up on my search to find these plans I decided to give it one last try tonight and WALA!! I found them. For all those who wish a copy, please email me (tchristoff at earthlink.net) your snail mail address and I will send a copy to you. Keep in mind that these are 3rd generation copies and will take a bit of work to read, they are readable but not the best, but then again you are not having to pay for them either. There is also some hand drawn diagrams with these that was done by the person I got these from, he made them as he was building his and it works great. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Mon Nov 27 20:33:14 2006 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:33:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! Message-ID: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, and kept us headed in the right direction. Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should not be too much to download. Here are the links: http://www.youtube.com/v/YkmoWjqsCwo http://www.youtube.com/v/6mio1Ub_2q4 http://www.youtube.com/v/ZXGH5fcjlXQ To see the project web pages, a little out of date now, go to: http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com and click on "steam engine". Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Mon Nov 27 20:32:20 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:32:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! In-Reply-To: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: <00a401c712a6$3261f4a0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> That's really neat!!!!!!!!!!! Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of James Mackessy Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:33 PM To: The SEL email list Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, and kept us headed in the right direction. Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should not be too much to download. Here are the links: http://www.youtube.com/v/YkmoWjqsCwo http://www.youtube.com/v/6mio1Ub_2q4 http://www.youtube.com/v/ZXGH5fcjlXQ To see the project web pages, a little out of date now, go to: http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com and click on "steam engine". Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project _______________________________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.17/553 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 4:00 AM From rustyjnk at ncbb.net Mon Nov 27 21:27:37 2006 From: rustyjnk at ncbb.net (rustyjnk) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:27:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! In-Reply-To: <00a401c712a6$3261f4a0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <00a401c712a6$3261f4a0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <456BC8C9.5090705@ncbb.net> Lew, I remember and appreciate your struggle. I was thrilled to see and hear it , even for a few seconds. NKarde Lew Best wrote: >That's really neat!!!!!!!!!!! > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of James >Mackessy >Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:33 PM >To: The SEL email list >Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! > >Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a >corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in >Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through >this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really >could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a >snag, the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and >encouragement, and kept us headed in the right direction. >Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could >test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power >strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the >first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't >know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We >have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the >piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost >there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by >spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should >not be too much to download. Here are the links: >http://www.youtube.com/v/YkmoWjqsCwo >http://www.youtube.com/v/6mio1Ub_2q4 >http://www.youtube.com/v/ZXGH5fcjlXQ >To see the project web pages, a little out of date now, go to: >http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com >and click on "steam engine". >Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your >restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, >and some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think >we would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! >Best Regards; >Jim Mackessy >Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project > >_______________________________________________ > > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Nov 28 04:38:31 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:38:31 EST Subject: [SEL] Expansion (Freeze) Plugs Message-ID: <473.979ec76.329d87c7@aol.com> Hi List, Have you ever tried to find the size of available Dorman expansion (freeze) plugs? It took me some time to find the information. Here is the web site for Dorman's expansion plugs: < _https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91corp30r/cat_search1.w?sid=0x008eae5f&clt=hwrap1&vsrch_str=&vsrch_cat=Conca ve%20Expansion%20Plugs&vsrch_brand=all&vsrch_range=&st_amount=&end_amount=&from_page=search&category_no=520&sku=&c ategory_list=1406%3A520&vfrom=&vtime=26956&item_no_ (https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91corp30r/cat_search1.w?sid=0x008eae5f&clt=hwrap1&vsrch_str=&v srch_cat=Concave%20Expansion%20Plugs&vsrch_brand=all&vsrch_range=&st_amount=&e nd_amount=&from_page=search&category_no=520&sku=&category_list=1406:520&vfrom= &vtime=26956&item_no) = > Click on the Dorman's part number to find the size of the plug. Example: clicking on 550-033 will show that is part is 2?" diameter - the size needed for the IHC LB. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Nov 28 05:03:26 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:03:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Expansion (Freeze) Plugs References: <473.979ec76.329d87c7@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Francis...should come in handy for the Trackson also. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: [SEL] Expansion (Freeze) Plugs Hi List, Have you ever tried to find the size of available Dorman expansion (freeze) plugs? It took me some time to find the information. Here is the web site for Dorman's expansion plugs: < _https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91corp30r/cat_search1.w?sid=0x008eae5f&clt=hwrap1&vsrch_str=&vsrch_cat=Conca ve%20Expansion%20Plugs&vsrch_brand=all&vsrch_range=&st_amount=&end_amount=&from_page=search&category_no=520&sku=&c ategory_list=1406%3A520&vfrom=&vtime=26956&item_no_ (https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91corp30r/cat_search1.w?sid=0x008eae5f&clt=hwrap1&vsrch_str=&v srch_cat=Concave%20Expansion%20Plugs&vsrch_brand=all&vsrch_range=&st_amount=&e nd_amount=&from_page=search&category_no=520&sku=&category_list=1406:520&vfrom= &vtime=26956&item_no) = > Click on the Dorman's part number to find the size of the plug. Example: clicking on 550-033 will show that is part is 2?" diameter - the size needed for the IHC LB. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Nov 28 05:07:03 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:07:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! References: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: Very nice Jim..Congrat's to you and the gang! Hopefully this coming spring and summer, I can get some time on a somewhat local Corliss style. This one is hooked to a refer compressor and was used to cool shimstock. It definetly needs some respect :-) Would like to see the boiler that baby uses. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy" To: "The SEL email list" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, and kept us headed in the right direction. Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should not be too much to download. Here are the links: http://www.youtube.com/v/YkmoWjqsCwo http://www.youtube.com/v/6mio1Ub_2q4 http://www.youtube.com/v/ZXGH5fcjlXQ To see the project web pages, a little out of date now, go to: http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com and click on "steam engine". Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jtray26 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 28 06:50:02 2006 From: jtray26 at yahoo.com (john ray) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:50:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! In-Reply-To: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: <20061128145002.19137.qmail@web54514.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to you all for preserving a great piece of history! That truly is AWESOME!!! Great work guys! Thanks for the videos. I enjoyed them very much. It is inspiring to see a long, complex project so near a successful end... Warmest Regards, Tyler Ray James Mackessy wrote: Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, and kept us headed in the right direction. Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should not be too much to download. Here are the links: http://www.youtube.com/v/YkmoWjqsCwo http://www.youtube.com/v/6mio1Ub_2q4 http://www.youtube.com/v/ZXGH5fcjlXQ To see the project web pages, a little out of date now, go to: http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com and click on "steam engine". Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 28 06:44:18 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:44:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! In-Reply-To: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> References: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: Hi Jim, I can remember those heady days when you first announced this project. WELL DONE!!!!! As I said then, I'll say again now, be sure to invite us all to the first steam up. We can bring our own champaign. 8-)) Ya know getting her turning on compressed air might just serve as "encouragement" for the Tod Engine project too. What goes around comes around as they say. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, James Mackessy wrote: > Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, and kept us headed in the right direction. > Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should not be too much to download. Here are the links: > Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Nov 28 07:51:28 2006 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:51:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! References: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: <000801c71305$1162cb80$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Hi Rick; Boiler is a Cleaver-Brooks CB-100. Not quite as nice as a brickset HRT, but the price was right. Originally, this engine ran on a bank of 3 400 HP Keeler watertube boilers, dual fuel ( oil and coal). We will fire on oil, but we have put in a stop and check so we can bring a wood fired boiler on line also, if we're lucky enough to find one we can afford! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! > Very nice Jim..Congrat's to you and the gang! Hopefully this coming spring > and summer, I can get some time on a somewhat local Corliss style. This one > is hooked to a refer compressor and was used to cool shimstock. It > definetly needs some respect :-) > > Would like to see the boiler that baby uses. > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Mackessy" > To: "The SEL email list" > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:33 PM > Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! > > > Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a corliss > steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in Syracuse, > New York, when that building was demolished. It was through this list that > we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really could rescue a > comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, the folks on this > list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, and kept us headed in > the right direction. > Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could test > her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power strokes on > this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the first time in > over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't know, 450 > horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We have a lot of > small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the piston rod, oiler > line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost there. The boiler is > about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by spring. We took a few videos, > less than 15 seconds each so they should not be too much to download. Here > are the links: > http://www.youtube.com/v/YkmoWjqsCwo > http://www.youtube.com/v/6mio1Ub_2q4 > http://www.youtube.com/v/ZXGH5fcjlXQ > To see the project web pages, a little out of date now, go to: > http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com > and click on "steam engine". > Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your restoration > and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and some who took > the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we would have had the > nerve to try this without your inspiration! > Best Regards; > Jim Mackessy > Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 28 16:59:48 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:59:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! In-Reply-To: <200611250539.kAP5cT0o064929@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> <200611250539.kAP5cT0o064929@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061128195809.04094b08@mail.alltel.net> Yup Orrin, that rascal weighs in at just over 3 tons! Dave >Wow, Dave! I didn't realize how big of a honker that Austral is until I see >it and your truck together. >Thank you for posting the very interesting pictures. >Orrin >Hi All, > Most of you know that I took a drive to KA to pick up an 11 HP >Austral >which I purchased from Rob and Kelley. It was almost 5,500 miles round >trip. The pictures of my trip are finally up at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/Rotigel/Roti_Eng/Austral/index.html It >took me 9 days and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Driving across the USA >and seeing the change of landscape is well worth the time. Bringing home an >Austral made it MUCH more than worthwhile! > Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 28 17:04:04 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:04:04 EST Subject: [SEL] Le Roi mixer Message-ID: I received the below note from Dana requesting information about Le Roi Engines, which I know nothing about except for what is in BRB. Anyone that can help her contact her directly. <> Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 28 17:23:57 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:23:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Set of Cast Iron Wheels trade/buy Message-ID: <014001c71355$0b921760$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I have a nice set (4) of matching 12" diameter cast iron wheels I would like to trade for a set of larger 16" to 18" cast iron wheels. The 12" wheels have grease fittings, a face diameter of 2-1/4" and a axle bore of 1-1/4". http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels.jpg If you are not interested in a trade and have a set of 16" to 18" larger wheels you would sell outright please contact me at paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thanks From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Nov 28 17:36:38 2006 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:36:38 GMT Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! Message-ID: <20061128.173641.19739.1562567@webmail40.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net Tue Nov 28 18:28:57 2006 From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:28:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! References: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: <003601c7135e$1f74cb70$3a52bc4c@pengy> Arnie, The Tod Engine Project doesn't need much encouragement. Things are already working on a full head of steam since the arrival of the last of the big parts last September. I accepted delivery of the hemlock 6x6 columns for the pole building. 10 of the 20 concrete building piers are done, the other 10 piers will be poured as weather permits. A professional engineer is assisting in the design of the Tod's foundation, to design something that will support the slow speed no load operation of the engine while not cost me a fortune to put in. To that end I am fabricating some pedestals that will support the castings and be embedded in the concrete. I am fortunate to be working at a start up machine shop that has equipment large enough to work on Tod sized parts. I can use whatever machines I need but in most cases have to set the machines up first. For example I will be turning/polishing the Tod's piston rods next spring but before I can do that I had to set up and wire in our 40" Skoda lathe. (our LP rod is 11" dia. x 18' long). So setting up machines and making preparations have been taking a good deal of time as well. In my free time I've been cleaning Tod grease off of literally buckets of bolts of all shapes and sizes. These bolts now go back into buckets with rust preventative applied and will be ready to go when we start putting parts back together next year. On Saturdays I have a volunteer come in to help sort through 10,000 engineering drawings from the mill the Tod came from. That project will last all winter. And on Sundays I am at home doing various DIY projects at our new place. To get back to the topic of this thread I am very excited that Jim has the Rice and Sargent running, and can't wait to get back up there to see the engine operate. I am sure Jim can't wait for me to get back up there as well since he is storing half of the Ames horizontal uniflow which is coming to Youngstown. Rick Rowlands ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! > Hi Jim, > > I can remember those heady days when you first announced this project. > WELL DONE!!!!! As I said then, I'll say again now, be sure to invite us > all to the first steam up. We can bring our own champaign. 8-)) > > Ya know getting her turning on compressed air might just serve as > "encouragement" for the Tod Engine project too. What goes around comes > around as they say. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, James Mackessy wrote: > >> Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a >> corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in >> Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through >> this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really >> could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, >> the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, >> and kept us headed in the right direction. >> Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could >> test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power >> strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the >> first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't >> know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We >> have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the >> piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost >> there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by >> spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should >> not be too much to download. Here are the links: > >> Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your >> restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and >> some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we >> would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 28 18:40:50 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:40:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans References: <410-220061122835250671@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00b901c7135f$cd5ec730$54ea4c0c@D48VHZ61> I think I saw an ad in this months GEM for these. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans > After giving up on my search to find these plans I decided to give it one > last try tonight and WALA!! I found them. For all those who wish a copy, > please email me (tchristoff at earthlink.net) your snail mail address and I > will send a copy to you. Keep in mind that these are 3rd generation > copies > and will take a bit of work to read, they are readable but not the best, > but then again you are not having to pay for them either. There is also > some hand drawn diagrams with these that was done by the person I got > these > from, he made them as he was building his and it works great. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 28 18:46:31 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:46:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer Message-ID: <00c201c71360$93d5d0c0$54ea4c0c@D48VHZ61> I need to reseal a carb float and plan to use tank sealer. The float has not seen gas in 50 years so I know it is dry. Do I need to remove the old sealer from the float or will the new sealer adhere to it instead of attack it? I guess I could try a sample spot first. Also how many coats should I apply? John Hall From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 28 20:56:46 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:56:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans In-Reply-To: <00b901c7135f$cd5ec730$54ea4c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <410-220061122835250671@earthlink.net> <00b901c7135f$cd5ec730$54ea4c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <1164776206.456d130ec6c36@webmail.city-net.com> Hi John, Yeah, I think that a $40 DVD. Someone had mentioned that back when I started this thread. That's a bit pricy for a whim. See ya, Arnie Quoting John Hall : > I think I saw an ad in this months GEM for these. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 28 22:53:10 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:53:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs Message-ID: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off when I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look through them. Hope you like 'em as much. http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory Rob From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Nov 29 00:07:37 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:07:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs Message-ID: <410-22006113298737765@earthlink.net> Wow, never seen one in person but would sure like to. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Rob Skinner > To: Stationary-Engine ATIS ; > Date: 11/29/2006 1:10:23 AM > Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs > > The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off > when I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look > through them. Hope you like 'em as much. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory > > Rob > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.18/554 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Nov 28 23:57:05 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:57:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley R Type - update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20061129094123.00ad5c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, My 1928 Wolseley 6 hp type "R" went on it's first outing to Neville Botha's open day on Saturday. Some of you may remember that this is the engine that I got without flywheels and fitted a set of Lister flywheels to. It is not painted yet and I just mounted it on a temporary base and water tank (fire extinguisher bottle) - it ran sweetly all day. Everyone loved it. Remember that these are very rare in South Africa - only 2 on record and this is the first restored one we know of. I do not have any pics of it at the show yet but have updated it's webpage if anyone cares to have a look: There is also an article on making the reproduction silencer/muffler here: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Nov 29 01:46:05 2006 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:46:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <001301c7139b$32412fe0$b0f11fd3@morris> Thanks for sharing Rob, great to see old original pictures Kerry Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ skype ID: ozengine > http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory > > Rob From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Nov 29 02:00:05 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 05:00:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <456D5A25.4020707@wightman.ca> Rob Skinner wrote: > The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off > when I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look > through them. Hope you like 'em as much. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Nov 29 03:24:45 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:24:45 EST Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs Message-ID: In a message dated 11/28/2006 11:11:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: Hope you like 'em as much. Rob, Thanks for the pictures. The drawing of the Samson pumping outfit brings back memories of the last open bottom water well my dad drilled on the ranch in Hanford, California. I helped drill the well and dig the pit at the well site for the pump as the water level too low for the centrifugal pump. The well had to be abandoned as it did not produce enough water for irrigation. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Nov 29 04:26:13 2006 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:26:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061129094123.00ad5c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <00c101c713b1$980b6050$b0f11fd3@morris> G'day all > > The area around Lithgow where I live has seen bushfires for 3 weeks now, > firefighters stretched to the limit (including son in law) but helped by > numerous helicopters, thank goodness we have moved on from men with wet > bags > trying to put out a 50 ft wall of exploding gum trees, > This afternoon a new fire started on the hills around Lithgow and one of > the > Skycranes that we hire from the USA every year was called in to help > protect > properties. > I was lucky to get some pictures late afternoon of the choppers taking on > water. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Temporary10.html > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow N.S.W OZ > > WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ > > skype ID: ozengine From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Nov 29 05:27:51 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:27:51 -0000 Subject: [SEL] I have been playing with engines for the first time in months Message-ID: <05d401c713ba$2c316d30$8335c53e@doc> Hi list Some pics of an old new toy here: http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/PetesProcessor.jpg http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-1.jpg http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-2.jpg http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-3.jpg The phone pics of the engine aren't too sharp, sorry :-( For the first time in months I have managed to do something hobby-related :-) The alternator in the engine photos was made in 1954, so it is two years older than I am. It's a Brush 6KW machine generating 230V at 50Hz. The Lister CS 12/2 was made in 1951. It is a vertical twin with opposed crank throws, generating 12 HP at 650rpm. I can generate at 0.0666 GBP a kilowatt-hour (13 cents US) on biodiesel, making it cheaper than the utility company, who are charging me about 20 cents. All the best Pete -- Peter Scales From edurand at iglou.com Wed Nov 29 07:16:16 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:16:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: <00c201c71360$93d5d0c0$54ea4c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: John: Just lightly brush off the loose sealer which was most likely shellac. Coat it twice by dipping if you can. Use the good stuff (Lee Pedersen, et al) that's alky proof. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Hall > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 08:47 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer > > > I need to reseal a carb float and plan to use > tank sealer. The float has not > seen gas in 50 years so I know it is dry. Do I > need to remove the old sealer > from the float or will the new sealer adhere to > it instead of attack it? I > guess I could try a sample spot first. > > Also how many coats should I apply? > > John Hall From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Nov 29 06:48:50 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:48:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061129094123.00ad5c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <00c101c713b1$980b6050$b0f11fd3@morris> Message-ID: <000c01c713c5$86931660$4e716c3a@Edd> Great pics Kerry!!!!!.I heard today that there are 14 separate fires in the Mudgee area.The air is thick with smoke here and I can barley see the flour mill 1/4 of a K away.OH for some rain! EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:26 PM Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires > G'day all >> >> The area around Lithgow where I live has seen bushfires for 3 weeks now, >> firefighters stretched to the limit (including son in law) but helped by >> numerous helicopters, thank goodness we have moved on from men with wet >> bags >> trying to put out a 50 ft wall of exploding gum trees, >> This afternoon a new fire started on the hills around Lithgow and one of >> the >> Skycranes that we hire from the USA every year was called in to help >> protect >> properties. >> I was lucky to get some pictures late afternoon of the choppers taking on >> water. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Temporary10.html >> >> Kerry Morris >> Lithgow N.S.W OZ >> >> WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ >> >> skype ID: ozengine > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Nov 29 10:26:04 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:26:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] I have been playing with engines for the first time in months In-Reply-To: <05d401c713ba$2c316d30$8335c53e@doc> References: <05d401c713ba$2c316d30$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <456DD0BC.6010105@imc-group.com> Pete, Neat photos of your project. They caught my attention as I have a 6.5kw alternator I have aspirations of hooking to an old engine someday. You are getting hosed on electricity! Here in NC we are paying 8 cents/kw residential and 4 cents/kw for industrial. BTW, what's with the URL? :-) Pete Sex Tension??? or Pete's Extension Either way it's a good laugh :-) Curt Peter Scales wrote: >Hi list > >Some pics of an old new toy here: > >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/PetesProcessor.jpg >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-1.jpg >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-2.jpg >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-3.jpg > >The phone pics of the engine aren't too sharp, sorry :-( > >For the first time in months I have managed to do something hobby-related >:-) The alternator in the engine photos was made in 1954, so it is two >years older than I am. It's a Brush 6KW machine generating 230V at 50Hz. >The Lister CS 12/2 was made in 1951. It is a vertical twin with opposed >crank throws, generating 12 HP at 650rpm. I can generate at 0.0666 GBP a >kilowatt-hour (13 cents US) on biodiesel, making it cheaper than the >utility company, who are charging me about 20 cents. > >All the best > > Pete > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Nov 29 10:53:25 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:53:25 EST Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs Message-ID: Rob, Wonderful pictures! Thanks for sharing. Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO In a message dated 11/29/2006 1:14:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off when I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look through them. Hope you like 'em as much. http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory Rob From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Nov 29 10:56:03 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:56:03 -0000 Subject: [SEL] I have been playing with engines for the first time inmonths In-Reply-To: <456DD0BC.6010105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <065001c713e8$054c5ee0$8335c53e@doc> Hi Curt Commercial electricity here is 0.13 GBP a unit (kilowatt-hour) or nearly 26 cents US.... The domain name? It depends how I'm feeling at the time :-) All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: 29 November 2006 18:26 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] I have been playing with engines for the > first time inmonths > > Pete, > Neat photos of your project. They caught my attention as I > have a 6.5kw > alternator I have aspirations of hooking to an old engine someday. > You are getting hosed on electricity! Here in NC we are paying 8 > cents/kw residential and 4 cents/kw for industrial. > > BTW, what's with the URL? :-) > Pete Sex Tension??? or > Pete's Extension > > Either way it's a good laugh :-) > Curt > > Peter Scales wrote: > > >Hi list > > > >Some pics of an old new toy here: > > > >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/PetesProcessor.jpg > >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-1.jpg > >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-2.jpg > >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-3.jpg > > > >The phone pics of the engine aren't too sharp, sorry :-( > > > >For the first time in months I have managed to do something > hobby-related > >:-) The alternator in the engine photos was made in 1954, > so it is two > >years older than I am. It's a Brush 6KW machine generating > 230V at 50Hz. > >The Lister CS 12/2 was made in 1951. It is a vertical twin > with opposed > >crank throws, generating 12 HP at 650rpm. I can generate at > 0.0666 GBP a > >kilowatt-hour (13 cents US) on biodiesel, making it cheaper than the > >utility company, who are charging me about 20 cents. > > > >All the best > > > > Pete > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Nov 29 12:48:58 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:48:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061129094123.00ad5c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <00c101c713b1$980b6050$b0f11fd3@morris> Message-ID: <003301c713f7$cac53480$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Great photos Kerry. Did you catch the name of the Skycrane. Can't quite make it out on the photo. We have one stationed here in Canberra and they really earn their keep with our fires a couple of years ago. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:26 PM Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires > G'day all > > > > The area around Lithgow where I live has seen bushfires for 3 weeks now, > > firefighters stretched to the limit (including son in law) but helped by > > numerous helicopters, thank goodness we have moved on from men with wet > > bags > > trying to put out a 50 ft wall of exploding gum trees, > > This afternoon a new fire started on the hills around Lithgow and one of > > the > > Skycranes that we hire from the USA every year was called in to help > > protect > > properties. > > I was lucky to get some pictures late afternoon of the choppers taking on > > water. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Temporary10.html > > > > Kerry Morris > > Lithgow N.S.W OZ > > > > WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ > > > > skype ID: ozengine > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 29 12:46:28 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:46:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Wow, stunning pics!! This one raises a question in my mind... http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory/09.jpg http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory/23.jpg How many different manufacturers made "four-poster" open crank engines? Sampson is obviously one. Was there a Frisco that was built that way? The British Whitehead is another... http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle06p2.htm Any others that are known? See ya, Arnie On Tue, 28 Nov 2006, Rob Skinner wrote: > The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off > when I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look > through them. Hope you like 'em as much. > http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 29 13:38:52 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:38:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well duh... How did you expect the well to produce a lot of water when it's got an open bottom? Damn water just runs right out again. See ya, Arnie PS - Let me save you some pain. You'll have a similar problem with an open bottom bucket. 8-)) On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > The drawing of the Samson pumping outfit brings back memories of the last > open bottom water well my dad drilled on the ranch in Hanford, California. I > helped drill the well and dig the pit at the well site for the pump as the > water level too low for the centrifugal pump. The well had to be abandoned as > it did not produce enough water for irrigation. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, Ca From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Wed Nov 29 15:00:22 2006 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:00:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! References: <20061128.173641.19739.1562567@webmail40.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <000401c7140a$270b29e0$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Hi Joe; Thanks for your generous offer. We have four valve stems to pack, 1-1/2" diameter each, it's 5/8" between the walls of the gland and the stem, so I guess 5/8" square is the way to go. What have you? Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! > Jim, great job! Measure the size of packing you need and I will check > and see what I have available. It is yours if I have the size you > need... Good Luck with the rest of the project! Joe Kelley (in Maine > where it is getting to look a more like Christmas!) > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 29 16:38:17 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:38:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061129193715.04181620@mail.alltel.net> At 01:53 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote: > >Rob, >Wonderful pictures! Thanks for sharing. >Ron Carroll LIBERALS "share." People of good character "show you!" Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 29 16:50:32 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:50:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <5A69A030-44C5-4C00-A7A1-C0E2AB345354@rustyiron.com> On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > How many different manufacturers made "four-poster" > open crank engines? Sampson is obviously one. > Was there a Frisco that was built that way? > The British Whitehead is another... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle06p2.htm > > Any others that are known? Actually, mate, "Frisco Standard" is just a slang name for "Standard" engine made in San Francisco. The geographic prefix is to differentiate the make from the myriad of other "Standard" engines. Besides Standard and Samson, other California "four post" engines that immediately come to mind are Union, Gorham, and National. There are probably more that will come to mind about 2 a.m. Anybody else? Rob Rob Skinner 1721 Brookdale Avenue ? La Habra, CA 90631 ? 562.694.2301 rskinner at rustyiron.com ? http://www.rustyiron.com From bst41474 at bigpond.net.au Wed Nov 29 17:14:46 2006 From: bst41474 at bigpond.net.au (Barry & Tanya Stait) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:14:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061129094123.00ad5c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za><00c101c713b1$980b6050$b0f11fd3@morris> <003301c713f7$cac53480$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <002c01c7141c$ecb96000$0100000a@Bear> Hi all, I have not long got up and going after spending from 10p.m. on Tuesday night to 7.30p.m. Wednesday on the Green Gully fire just outside Mudgee. Over 2000ha burn so far on this fire. Started from a lighting strike. Luckily we had out of area crews here to help with property protection. They had come to help with the Bylong Complex fire, but at the time it was quite. But that changed when the Bylong Complex Fire also broke containment lines after a south easily change came thru late Tuesday afternoon. There is also a large fire on top of Mt Frome just outside Mudgee witch is burning out of control as fire fighter can't get to it. At one stage yesterday there was 18 confirmed fire in the Mid Western Shire, most from a storm that passed through the area on Tuesday. As Senior Deputy Captain of Mudgee HQ, the next few day could be very busy for me and all our other members. What we need is a lot of rain, witch doesn't look like coming for a long time let ( March/ April next year.). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Local fires > Great photos Kerry. Did you catch the name of the Skycrane. Can't quite > make it out on the photo. We have one stationed here in Canberra and they > really earn their keep with our fires a couple of years ago. > > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:26 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires > > >> G'day all >> > >> > The area around Lithgow where I live has seen bushfires for 3 weeks >> > now, >> > firefighters stretched to the limit (including son in law) but helped >> > by >> > numerous helicopters, thank goodness we have moved on from men with wet >> > bags >> > trying to put out a 50 ft wall of exploding gum trees, >> > This afternoon a new fire started on the hills around Lithgow and one >> > of >> > the >> > Skycranes that we hire from the USA every year was called in to help >> > protect >> > properties. >> > I was lucky to get some pictures late afternoon of the choppers taking > on >> > water. >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Temporary10.html >> > >> > Kerry Morris >> > Lithgow N.S.W OZ >> > >> > WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ >> > >> > skype ID: ozengine >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.0.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/556 - Release Date: > 28/11/2006 > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Nov 29 18:12:33 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:12:33 EST Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs Message-ID: In a message dated 11/29/2006 6:47:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: > >Rob, >Wonderful pictures! Thanks for sharing. >Ron Carroll LIBERALS "share." People of good character "show you!" Dave Sure, and how then do I explain that I now have this picture: Shucks, I thought Rob was sharing. Ron From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Nov 29 18:38:16 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:38:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer References: Message-ID: <00ef01c71428$97becde0$53d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Elden, I put on the first coat tonight. I'll redip tomorrow night and then let it cure a couple days. I got my sealer from a radiator repair shop. I've used it before on some tanks with good results. Don't know how well it stacks up against some advertised in GEM. The float had a good coat of shellac but it had a few bad cracks. Nothing appeared to be flaking off nor did the tank sealer appear to attack it. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer > John: > > Just lightly brush off the loose sealer which was most likely shellac. > > Coat it twice by dipping if you can. Use the good stuff (Lee Pedersen, et > al) that's alky proof. > > Take care - Elden From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Nov 29 19:29:45 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:29:45 EST Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs Message-ID: In a message dated 11/29/2006 2:44:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: Well duh... How did you expect the well to produce a lot of water when it's got an open bottom? Damn water just runs right out again. Arnie, An open bottom well is one where the well casing is landed on a clay strata and then a hole (about half of the diameter of the casing) is bored through the clay. Usually, there is water bearing sand located under the clay strata. Water (from the water bearing sand) enters the well through the hole in clay. Pumping the well causes a cavity under the clay strata to develop and is used to collect water under ground for the well. This type of well is drilled as the casing is forced into the ground and is used primarily for shallow wells. The other type of water well is a gravel packed well casing. A forced water rotary drill is used to bore the well. The diameter of well is about 4"- 6" larger than the diameter of the casing. The depth of the drilled well has to be about a 1/3 longer than the length of the casing. This is necessary because the sediment in the drilling water has to settle. A section (at the bottom) of the casing is perforated and the end of the casing is sealed. After the well is drilled, the casing is installed with the perforated section placed in a water bearing sand strata. The casing is held in place with gravel placed between the casing and the drilled hole. Water enters the well casing through the perforations in the casing. Initial pumping of the well causes a cavity to be developed around the perforations. This cavity stores water for the well. Francis From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Nov 29 20:47:47 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:47:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <456E6273.40505@scrtc.com> Thanks for the great site Rob. Do you know of any of the vertical Samson's? I really like the looks of it. I've had 4 or 5 of the horizontals and they're OK. But, that vertical is NEAT! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off > when I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look > through them. Hope you like 'em as much. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory > > Rob > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Nov 30 06:00:07 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:00:07 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <00cd01c71487$d8af8330$0200a8c0@fbi> Hi Arnie Yes, there is another one, but it's in the pre-production state of development at the moment! http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/blackhead/blackhead.htm It's currently known as the Blackhead, but it also answers to The Bodmin Engine. Dolly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" > How many different manufacturers made "four-poster" open crank engines? > Sampson is obviously one. Was there a Frisco that was built that way? > The British Whitehead is another... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle06p2.htm > > Any others that are known? From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Nov 30 06:41:22 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:41:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <456E6273.40505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:47:47 -0500 > >Thanks for the great site Rob. Do you know of any of the vertical >Samson's? I really like the looks of it. I've had 4 or 5 of the >horizontals and they're OK. But, that vertical is NEAT! > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > >>The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off when >>I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look through >>them. Hope you like 'em as much. >> >>http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version.?Join now. http://ideas.live.com From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Nov 30 06:44:15 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:44:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <456E6273.40505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Thanks so much for the great pics. At Portland this year there was a Samson horizontal of approx 10 hp with curved spoke flywheels. I didn't see any like this in your photos, so does anyone have any info on the curves spoke ones? Steve >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:47:47 -0500 > >Thanks for the great site Rob. Do you know of any of the vertical >Samson's? I really like the looks of it. I've had 4 or 5 of the >horizontals and they're OK. But, that vertical is NEAT! > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > >>The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off when >>I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look through >>them. Hope you like 'em as much. >> >>http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ View Athlete?s Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 30 08:04:19 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:04:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Francis, great explanations. See ya, Arnie On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/29/2006 2:44:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > > Well duh... How did you expect the well to produce a lot of water > > when it's got an open bottom? Damn water just runs right out again. > > An open bottom well is one where the well casing is landed on a clay strata > and then a hole (about half of the diameter of the casing) is bored through > the clay. > The other type of water well is a gravel packed well casing. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 30 08:07:10 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:07:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <5A69A030-44C5-4C00-A7A1-C0E2AB345354@rustyiron.com> References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> <5A69A030-44C5-4C00-A7A1-C0E2AB345354@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Nice answer that raises another question. I wonder why the "four poster" engine design was so popular in Kalifornia and so rare elsewhere? See ya, Arnie On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > How many different manufacturers made "four-poster" > > open crank engines? Sampson is obviously one. > > Was there a Frisco that was built that way? > > The British Whitehead is another... > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle06p2.htm > > > > Any others that are known? > > Actually, mate, "Frisco Standard" is just a slang name for "Standard" > engine made in San Francisco. The geographic prefix is to > differentiate the make from the myriad of other "Standard" engines. > > Besides Standard and Samson, other California "four post" engines > that immediately come to mind are Union, Gorham, and National. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 30 09:15:55 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:15:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> <5A69A030-44C5-4C00-A7A1-C0E2AB345354@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4BCDA23A-9F24-4C3E-8911-946D92E4E003@rustyiron.com> On Nov 30, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Nice answer that raises another question. I wonder why the "four > poster" > engine design was so popular in Kalifornia and so rare elsewhere? Hi Arnie, By stating the rarity of this design characteristic outside the Golden State, are implying that these engines are commonplace here? Damn, you're on to us! We're just buried in these engines, as well as slide valves and sideshafts. Please don't tell anyone. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 30 08:50:02 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:50:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <4BCDA23A-9F24-4C3E-8911-946D92E4E003@rustyiron.com> References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> <5A69A030-44C5-4C00-A7A1-C0E2AB345354@rustyiron.com> <4BCDA23A-9F24-4C3E-8911-946D92E4E003@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: DAMN Kalifornia kollectors anyway!! No damn wonder the rest of us are flooded in Hercs & John Deers and lack slide valves and sideshafts. I was thinking more along the lines of six makes of "four-poster" engine identified so far. Five made in KA, one in England. Pretty much a Kalifornia Koncept to my way of thinking. As this thread developed, I was wondering if geographical isolation played a part? The KA engine developers didn't see much of what was going on elsewhere, but did see the guy on the next block who was building a four-poster, so he copied that idea. Likewise, the KA engines didn't go east of the Rockies in any significant numbers and so didn't influence other engine designers. Zat make sense? See ya, Arnie On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Nov 30, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > Nice answer that raises another question. I wonder why the "four > > poster" engine design was so popular in Kalifornia and so rare > > elsewhere? > > By stating the rarity of this design characteristic outside the > Golden State, are implying that these engines are commonplace here? > Damn, you're on to us! We're just buried in these engines, as well > as slide valves and sideshafts. From edurand at iglou.com Thu Nov 30 11:55:47 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:55:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: <00ef01c71428$97becde0$53d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: John: One coat will probably do it but the second coat is good insurance. After it thoroughly dries, you might want to pour some of our fine "modern" gasoline in a can and float the float in it for a few days to see how the sealer works. I got some tank sealer from an auto parts store a few years ago that said "Alcohol proof" and soaked the float in the carb of my American LaFrance. It looked great. I put the whole thing together and went for a test drive. About 5 miles out, it got real sickly and finally stopped. I unscrewed the main jet and it was covered with sealer that had partially dissolved in the gasoline. I finally got home after removing the needle about a half dozen more times to wipe off the goo. That's it for me on the cheap stuff! Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Hall > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 08:38 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer > > > Elden, > I put on the first coat tonight. I'll redip > tomorrow night and then let it > cure a couple days. I got my sealer from a > radiator repair shop. I've used > it before on some tanks with good results. Don't > know how well it stacks up > against some advertised in GEM. > > The float had a good coat of shellac but it had a > few bad cracks. Nothing > appeared to be flaking off nor did the tank > sealer appear to attack it. > > John From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Nov 30 16:20:02 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:20:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 4 posters Message-ID: <20061201002016.2A332313C30@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Here's a couple more four posters from Ca.. Hicks and Peters Machine Co.. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan Ps. Tommy ,I'll make sure that you hear first about the second one that I see for sale.. Jim O'Hagan From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 30 16:58:10 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:58:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 4 posters In-Reply-To: <20061201002016.2A332313C30@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> References: <20061201002016.2A332313C30@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <15E0ABBA-ABE0-4FB4-A9FE-B2ACB22426E0@rustyiron.com> On Nov 30, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Here's a couple more four posters from Ca.. Hicks and Peters > Machine Co.. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan Ps. Tommy ,I'll make sure that you > hear first about the second one that I see for sale.. Hi Jimmy, I've never seen a Peters. Do you have any pictures of one? Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 30 17:57:09 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:57:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 4 posters In-Reply-To: <15E0ABBA-ABE0-4FB4-A9FE-B2ACB22426E0@rustyiron.com> References: <20061201002016.2A332313C30@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <15E0ABBA-ABE0-4FB4-A9FE-B2ACB22426E0@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061130205516.043d55b0@mail.alltel.net> >Hi Jimmy, >I've never seen a Peters. Do you have any pictures of one? >Rob Hi Rob, You have never seen a Peter? My doG man, look down, LOOK DOWN! dave From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Nov 30 18:40:40 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:40:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer References: Message-ID: <002001c714f2$17cd9a60$89ee4c0c@D48VHZ61> Gave it a second dunk tonight. If it is the same as the last I got from the radiator shop it is probably goood stuff. They charge enough--$25 for a quart jar--you supply the jar!! A fire truck? Often thought that would be fun to have for a Sunday drive. Never have completely gotten over the one I passed up in the junkyard 15 years ago for $400. It was old enough to be chain driven. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer > John: > > One coat will probably do it but the second coat is good insurance. > > After it thoroughly dries, you might want to pour some of our fine > "modern" gasoline in a can and float the float in it for a few days to see > how the sealer works. > > I got some tank sealer from an auto parts store a few years ago that said > "Alcohol proof" and soaked the float in the carb of my American LaFrance. > It looked great. > > I put the whole thing together and went for a test drive. About 5 miles > out, it got real sickly and finally stopped. I unscrewed the main jet and > it was covered with sealer that had partially dissolved in the gasoline. > I finally got home after removing the needle about a half dozen more times > to wipe off the goo. That's it for me on the cheap stuff! > > Take care - Elden > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of John Hall >> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 08:38 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer >> >> >> Elden, >> I put on the first coat tonight. I'll redip >> tomorrow night and then let it >> cure a couple days. I got my sealer from a >> radiator repair shop. I've used >> it before on some tanks with good results. Don't >> know how well it stacks up >> against some advertised in GEM. >> >> The float had a good coat of shellac but it had a >> few bad cracks. Nothing >> appeared to be flaking off nor did the tank >> sealer appear to attack it. >> >> John > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 30 19:12:36 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:12:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on Stover YB Engine Message-ID: <008501c714f6$8d664a70$240110ac@FAMILY> A friend of mine has a Stover YB 4 HP engine and he has asked me if the gas tanks on the Stover YB engines are tin gas tanks. I don't know the answer so if someone does please let me know and I will pass on the information to him. I would have thought they would have been a cast iron gas tank in the sub-base like my Model C. Thanks, Paul From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Thu Nov 30 20:29:29 2006 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:29:29 EST Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires Message-ID: I was at Rylstone for Monday night shift at the Kelgoola Gavins creek sector of the Wollemi complex West Zone Operations. This is one big fire at 70000 hectares Peter Woodmore. NSW Australia From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 30 21:16:16 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 00:16:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Latest eBay Ripoff Message-ID: <1164950176.456fbaa07774f@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya folks, OK, check these two eBay auctions out... http://cgi.ebay.com Items 290057116087 and 290057116041 What's the ripoff you ask? Wanna save some money and pick the item up instead of shipping? No problem. Just add a $2.00 per item "pick up fee." Bullshit! See ya, Arnie From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Nov 30 21:47:38 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:47:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires References: Message-ID: <008501c7150c$37b46ab0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> When that area was forestry, there were good roads and fire trails all through it. The Parks & wildlife took it over and let it all grow over. Wilderness area and all that stuff! Now ONE fire and its a disaster area. I dont think much wildlife survived. I used to trailride that area years ago, so I know what I am talking about. (The ride from here to Rylston & Kandos was a 4 times a year thing). When the Parks mob took over they shut all the trails to everyone. So much for 'Management' ! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Local fires >I was at Rylstone for Monday night shift at the Kelgoola Gavins creek >sector > of the Wollemi complex West Zone Operations. This is one big fire at 70000 > hectares > > Peter Woodmore. > NSW Australia > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Nov 1 03:16:36 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:16:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found Message-ID: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Just to bring everyone up to date who tried to help with my dead mouse delima in the wifes Toyota. Last night after tearing out the glove box I discovered the internal air filter compartment. After some difficulty in even removing the cover due to the very extensive packing material jamed in and around the paper filter (what was left of it) there was the was the damn nest made up of just about every known and unknown bits of material. Found five dead mice in the nest. Poor buggers had died since I killed the mom several nights ago. After inspecting with a mirror and bright light discovered one of the little beggers had stuck between the plastic fins of the squirrel cage fan of the blower and was rotting to high heaven. As yet I am not able to totall remove the fan and motor assemble so looking for some sort deoderant to mask the smell other then skunk piss (Arnie your no help as usual!). I am trying to avoid tearing all the wiring harness and half the underside of the dash board out to get that fan unit out for better cleaning. Thanks to all who gave good suggestions. Curt From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Nov 1 06:55:15 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 06:55:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Message-ID: <20061101115522.2E2A91D7307@md3.pennswoods.net> Hi i have a problem. My dig camera was sitting on the counter and i sit down a cup of coffee that real sweet stuf from the coffee shop. Right i spilled it and some got on my camera and i did not know it. now i can' move the on off switch. HELP any and all suggestions R Fink PA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 05:14:51 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:14:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another mailbox Picture Message-ID: <003101c6fdb7$b7432030$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok gang Jim Tremble sent in another picture of a mailbox he found in his area: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/JimTrembleMailbox2.jpg Paul From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 1 05:36:59 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 05:36:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Another mailbox Picture In-Reply-To: <003101c6fdb7$b7432030$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <20061101133659.18289.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Now I like that one. A lot of work went into it. Ron Paul Maples wrote: Ok gang Jim Tremble sent in another picture of a mailbox he found in his area: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/JimTrembleMailbox2.jpg Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates. From shop at cccomm.net Wed Nov 1 06:00:25 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 06:00:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found References: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <03bd01c6fdbe$14ba3900$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Pinesol , or else squirt gas and light a match......... Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:16 AM Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found > Just to bring everyone up to date who tried to help with my dead mouse > delima > in the wifes Toyota. Last night after tearing out the glove box I > discovered > the internal air filter compartment. After some difficulty in even > removing > the cover due to the very extensive packing material jamed in and around > the > paper filter (what was left of it) there was the was the damn nest made up > of > just about every known and unknown bits of material. Found five dead mice > in > the nest. Poor buggers had died since I killed the mom several nights > ago. > After inspecting with a mirror and bright light discovered one of the > little > beggers had stuck between the plastic fins of the squirrel cage fan of the > blower and was rotting to high heaven. As yet I am not able to totall > remove > the fan and motor assemble so looking for some sort deoderant to mask the > smell other then skunk piss (Arnie your no help as usual!). I am trying > to > avoid tearing all the wiring harness and half the underside of the dash > board > out to get that fan unit out for better cleaning. > Thanks to all who gave good suggestions. > Curt > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 1 05:47:05 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 08:47:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Very OT but need help In-Reply-To: <009501c6fd3e$7812b750$76f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061031085045.03acdf10@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20061031164453.03ae23f8@mail.alltel.net> <009501c6fd3e$7812b750$76f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: G'day Peter, Hmmmm, have you looked into the long-term effects of prolonged exposure on your mind and other bodily systems? Speaking personally, I don't think I'd be too keen on sniffing Raid the entire time I was at home. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethrum OTOH it may explain a lot... See ya, Arnie On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, peter ogborne wrote: > I have > installed in my house a device called a KONK. They originate from Canada and > consist of a small wall mounted electronic unit that contains either a > deodoriser or Pyrethrum spray can.The latter can contents stops flys etc > entering the house. The electronics powered by a 9v battery produce a puff > of whatever can you have in ,every 7 and a half minutes. From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Wed Nov 1 06:35:08 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 08:35:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT References: <20061101115522.2E2A91D7307@md3.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <001f01c6fdc2$f4691d10$9be6b748@mycomputer> Leave the camera near some ants..they will remove every trace of sugar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: [SEL] OT > Hi i have a problem. My dig camera was sitting on the counter and i > sit down a cup of coffee that real sweet stuf from the coffee shop. > Right i spilled it and some got on my camera and i did not know it. > now i can' move the on off switch. HELP any and all suggestions > R Fink > PA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Nov 1 06:36:53 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:36:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT In-Reply-To: <20061101115522.2E2A91D7307@md3.pennswoods.net> References: <20061101115522.2E2A91D7307@md3.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061101093227.02f23a10@pop3.wcoil.com> Rubbing alcohol, soak the switch area with just a few drops at a time till it comes free. Use just enough so that theres enough to dab up. The coffee stuff will mix into the alcohol and slowly float out. Theres some fancy spray cleaners you can buy from the camera repair shops too. TTYL, Mark At 09:55 AM 11/1/06, you wrote: >Hi i have a problem. My dig camera was sitting on the counter and i sit >down a cup of coffee that real sweet stuf from the coffee shop. Right i >spilled it and some got on my camera and i did not know it. now i can' >move the on off switch. HELP any and all suggestions >R Fink >PA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Nov 1 06:42:52 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:42:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found In-Reply-To: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: > discovered one of the little > beggers had stuck between the plastic fins of the squirrel cage fan of > the > blower and was rotting to high heaven. As yet I am not able to totall > remove > the fan and motor assemble Run the fan backward? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Nov 1 06:45:41 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:45:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found Message-ID: <110120061445.17041.4548B315000453DD00004291219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Gee Dave might try the pinesol....but don't think our insurance covers suspected arson! thanks, Curt > Pinesol , or else squirt gas and light a match......... > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL Lists" > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:16 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found > > > > Just to bring everyone up to date who tried to help with my dead mouse > > delima > > in the wifes Toyota. Last night after tearing out the glove box I > > discovered > > the internal air filter compartment. After some difficulty in even > > removing > > the cover due to the very extensive packing material jamed in and around > > the > > paper filter (what was left of it) there was the was the damn nest made up > > of > > just about every known and unknown bits of material. Found five dead mice > > in > > the nest. Poor buggers had died since I killed the mom several nights > > ago. > > After inspecting with a mirror and bright light discovered one of the > > little > > beggers had stuck between the plastic fins of the squirrel cage fan of the > > blower and was rotting to high heaven. As yet I am not able to totall > > remove > > the fan and motor assemble so looking for some sort deoderant to mask the > > smell other then skunk piss (Arnie your no help as usual!). I am trying > > to > > avoid tearing all the wiring harness and half the underside of the dash > > board > > out to get that fan unit out for better cleaning. > > Thanks to all who gave good suggestions. > > Curt > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 1 06:10:15 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:10:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found In-Reply-To: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Accelerant + Torch = $$$ + Jag + Mouse Flambe Glad to be of help. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Find that missing engine crate yet? On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Just to bring everyone up to date who tried to help with my dead mouse delima > in the wifes Toyota. Last night after tearing out the glove box I discovered > the internal air filter compartment. After some difficulty in even removing > the cover due to the very extensive packing material jamed in and around the > paper filter (what was left of it) there was the was the damn nest made up of > just about every known and unknown bits of material. Found five dead mice in > the nest. Poor buggers had died since I killed the mom several nights ago. > After inspecting with a mirror and bright light discovered one of the little > beggers had stuck between the plastic fins of the squirrel cage fan of the > blower and was rotting to high heaven. As yet I am not able to totall remove > the fan and motor assemble so looking for some sort deoderant to mask the > smell other then skunk piss (Arnie your no help as usual!). I am trying to > avoid tearing all the wiring harness and half the underside of the dash board > out to get that fan unit out for better cleaning. > Thanks to all who gave good suggestions. From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Nov 1 06:57:48 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:57:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual Message-ID: <110120061457.28170.4548B5EC000027D100006E0A219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Jimmy, Watch post box as just sent your manual, actually made you two one to keep clean and the other use in the shop if need be. I do have a large assortment of other engine literature so if there is any thing else I can help you with just give me a call. thanks again, Curt > Hi Curt , Thanks for your time and effort. The funds are in the mailbox. > Please let me know if it arrives so I know it didn't go to "Mail Heaven." > Jimmy > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:44 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > Jim, > When you have time send me a check for $10.00 to cover reproduction and > mailing costs for a copy to me at: > Curt Andree > 6419 Basswood Road > McConnell, Illinois 61050 > > > > Hi Curt,I'd like one.Please send an address so I can pay you. Thanks in > > advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, 20 Sunnyhill Rd. Novato,Ca. 94945 ,415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > cgandree at mchsi.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:08 AM > > To: Old eng list; SEL Lists > > Subject: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > > > Yesterday I picked up an orginal manual for a Temple Pump Co. Engine. It > > covers basic setup and adjustments for 2 thru 25hp engines. Has some good > > diagrams,etc. Be happy to duplicate copies for anyone having such an > > engine. > > Please contact me. > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Nov 1 07:58:46 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:58:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found References: <110120061116.9135.454882140009C874000023AF219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000601c6fdce$9e4bdce0$6383fb40@HP28276676518> Curt, I don't know if this will help or not, but I have had the same problem on a repeated basis in a '99 Toyota Camry. By positioning myself with my head under the dash and legs and feet over the back of the front seat I could get to the blower housing. Three to five screws held the fan and motor in place. With a flexible shaft screw driver type tool with the properly sized socket on the end, removal of the fan was fairly easy. I eventually got enough practice that I could remove, clean and replace the fan in about 15 to 20 min. Good Luck, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:16 AM Subject: [SEL] OT mouse nest found > Just to bring everyone up to date who tried to help with my dead mouse > delima > in the wifes Toyota. Last night after tearing out the glove box I > discovered > the internal air filter compartment. After some difficulty in even > removing > the cover due to the very extensive packing material jamed in and around > the > paper filter (what was left of it) there was the was the damn nest made up > of > just about every known and unknown bits of material. Found five dead mice > in > the nest. Poor buggers had died since I killed the mom several nights > ago. > After inspecting with a mirror and bright light discovered one of the > little > beggers had stuck between the plastic fins of the squirrel cage fan of the > blower and was rotting to high heaven. As yet I am not able to totall > remove > the fan and motor assemble so looking for some sort deoderant to mask the > smell other then skunk piss (Arnie your no help as usual!). I am trying > to > avoid tearing all the wiring harness and half the underside of the dash > board > out to get that fan unit out for better cleaning. > Thanks to all who gave good suggestions. > Curt > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.20/508 - Release Date: > 10/31/2006 11:30 AM > > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 1 06:34:19 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:34:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Mailbox Picture Message-ID: <20061101.095307.1368.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Paul, Hey - - - That's different - Never thought of using a Briggs. Are you making an album of all the pics you get ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ Remember when TV bloopers were a rare mistake - (_o_) not the entire show? From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 1 06:52:58 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:52:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Message-ID: <20061101.095307.1368.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rich, Sorry to hear that you spilled coffee on your camera. It can't be that bad. I would try dabbing the switch with a damp sponge to delete the sticky stuff and "work" the switch. For all around cleaning, I use something called "Mean Green" or "Awsome" from the Dollar Store. Pretty good stuff. If you DO happen to take the camera apart, watch the capacitor for the flash. They hold quite a bit of electricity. I've been hit several times and things go flying. Would rather hold a spark wire. Good luck in whatever you do. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ Remember when TV bloopers were a rare mistake - (_o_) not the entire show? From edurand at iglou.com Wed Nov 1 09:38:45 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:38:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Very OT but need help In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20061031164453.03ae23f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Dave: With a smirk, one word........yeah! :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave > Rotigel > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 03:53 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Very OT but need help > > > At 12:01 PM 10/31/2006, you wrote: > >Dave: > >You must be good friends with a mechanic at the > Jag (Ford) dealer. You > >shoulda bought her a Miata. Lots cheaper, more > sporty and less maintenance. > > 100,000 miles bumper to bumper on the Jag! They > even do the oil changes and > filters--the WHOLE 9 yards. > > >Or are you a snob? :-) > > I've found, over the years, that people who have > money have it because they > are one hell of a lot smarter than those who do > not have as much money. > Does that make me a snob? > > Dave From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Nov 1 10:18:48 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:18:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Very OT but need help1 In-Reply-To: <200611011700.kA1H05e8028032@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20061101201715.038add70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 01/11/2006, you wrote: >Message: 42 >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 08:47:05 -0500 (EST) >From: Arnie Fero >Subject: Re: [SEL] Very OT but need help > >G'day Peter, > > >OTOH it may explain a lot... >See ya, Arnie > Ha ha ha ha ha ha !!! Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 12:06:09 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:06:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Mailbox Picture References: <20061101.095307.1368.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003601c6fdf1$2cb71720$240110ac@FAMILY> Yes Joe, I am placing them all into a PowerPoint Presentation and when I get all of them I will make a Webshots Album for everyone. Meanwhile I will send out to the list everyone I get. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Mailbox Picture > Hi Paul, > > Hey - - - That's different - Never thought of using a Briggs. > > Are you making an album of all the pics you get ? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Nov 1 12:11:46 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:11:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT References: <20061101115522.2E2A91D7307@md3.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <004701c6fdf2$58d317e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Soak it in a bucket of water. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:55 AM Subject: [SEL] OT > Hi i have a problem. My dig camera was sitting on the counter and i > sit down a cup of coffee that real sweet stuf from the coffee shop. > Right i spilled it and some got on my camera and i did not know it. > now i can' move the on off switch. HELP any and all suggestions > R Fink > PA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 14:06:58 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:06:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Engine Mailbox Message-ID: <006c01c6fe02$0d7e2b80$240110ac@FAMILY> James Richard sent in his picture of his Novo Mailbox: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/JamesRichardNovoMailbox.jpg Paul From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Nov 1 14:47:49 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 06:47:49 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Very OT but need help References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061031085045.03acdf10@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20061031164453.03ae23f8@mail.alltel.net><009501c6fd3e$7812b750$76f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <003f01c6fe07$c5268520$d9f930cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hmmmmmmmmm ,as I predicted Moonies ,flat earthers ,Baptists and the like have responded!Long term effects ,well it has only been three days I don't think we can use that excuse yet. However Arnie give it a go ,perhaps it could counter that green glow! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Very OT but need help > G'day Peter, > > Hmmmm, have you looked into the long-term effects of prolonged exposure on > your mind and other bodily systems? Speaking personally, I don't think > I'd be too keen on sniffing Raid the entire time I was at home. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethrum > > OTOH it may explain a lot... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, peter ogborne wrote: > >> I have >> installed in my house a device called a KONK. They originate from Canada >> and >> consist of a small wall mounted electronic unit that contains either a >> deodoriser or Pyrethrum spray can.The latter can contents stops flys etc >> entering the house. The electronics powered by a 9v battery produce a >> puff >> of whatever can you have in ,every 7 and a half minutes. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Nov 1 19:04:24 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:04:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT In-Reply-To: <004701c6fdf2$58d317e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20061101115522.2E2A91D7307@md3.pennswoods.net> <004701c6fdf2$58d317e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <20061102000435.05D031D88A1@md3.pennswoods.net> Hey thanks for all the replys. It will take me a few weeks to try them all. By then i won't want to take any photos. R Fink At 07:11 AM 11/2/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Soak it in a bucket of water. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" > >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:55 AM >Subject: [SEL] OT > > >>Hi i have a problem. My dig camera was sitting on the counter and i >>sit down a cup of coffee that real sweet stuf from the coffee shop. >>Right i spilled it and some got on my camera and i did not know it. >>now i can' move the on off switch. HELP any and all suggestions >>R Fink >>PA >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Wed Nov 1 16:13:35 2006 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:13:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case 320 backhoe with a spun bearing available In-Reply-To: <03bd01c6fdbe$14ba3900$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: I know this is a stationary list and not a tractor list but my boss has a Case 320 backhoe that he has had for years, built his house with etc...... then it spun a bearing and he is looking to get rid of it. He was talking with a scrap man - so he is serious. I'd rather see it go to someone who may use parts or make it run again. I have pictures - if you email me, I'll email you 3 jpegs. It is Rusty - Very Rusty. It does have a new hydraulic pump that my boss mounted on it not long ago. Glenn Wilson From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Wed Nov 1 17:00:11 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:00:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Case 320 backhoe with a spun bearing available References: Message-ID: <000d01c6fe1a$40aecc40$1b0b5a04@notebook> where is it located? Lew near Waco, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Case 320 backhoe with a spun bearing available > I know this is a stationary list and not a tractor list but my boss has a > Case 320 backhoe that he > has had for years, built his house with etc...... then it spun a bearing and > he is looking to get rid > of it. He was talking with a scrap man - so he is serious. I'd rather see it > go to someone who > may use parts or make it run again. > > I have pictures - if you email me, I'll email you 3 jpegs. > > It is Rusty - Very Rusty. It does have a new hydraulic pump that my boss > mounted on it not long ago. > Glenn Wilson > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 18:42:14 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:42:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 1925 Model T Type 25 HP Waterloo Power Plant Message-ID: <003401c6fe28$816ed870$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I just recently made the acquaintenance of an engineman in my area named Duane Hutchinson. He is doing some machine work for me on my Stover Engine. He told me tonight that he has a 1925 Model Type T Waterloo Boy Power Plant for sale. Duane is a professional machinist and he has done a lot of work on restoring this Power Plant but there is still work that remains to be done. He said that the Power Plant is not cheap and ask for serious inquires only. Duane tells me that there were only about 300 of these Power Plants made. Anyone interested in this Power Plant should contact Duane directly at 501-920-3275 after 6:PM Central Standard Time. I am just helping Duane out by letting you folks know about the Power Plant in case anyone should be interested. I hope I have not upset anyone on the List by doing this. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 18:56:04 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:56:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Jim Tremble e-mail address Message-ID: <005701c6fe2a$706979c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Can someone send me Jim Tremble's e-mail address? Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 20:06:43 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:06:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Visit to an Engine Shop Message-ID: <006d01c6fe34$4f578c90$240110ac@FAMILY> Guys I got to go and visit an engineman that lives about 60 miles from me tonight. He is a collector and also a professional machinist. He is working on my piston and rod out of my 1905 Stover. It is not a big shop but every nook and cranny is stuffed with engines, engine related items and machine shop equipment. I ask him if I could take a few pictures and share them with the group and he said "sure" so here are a few, not all, pictures of some of his engines and shop equipment. His name is Duane Hutchinson and he lives just South of Little Rock, Arkansas. http://community.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=555288733&key=gAdESp Paul From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Nov 2 07:59:02 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:59:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wapak Ohio Swap Meet Coming up In-Reply-To: <003401c6fe28$816ed870$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <003401c6fe28$816ed870$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061102105539.02f32e60@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi All, Just wondering who if anyone is planning to get to the Swap at Wapakonetta Ohio Nov 10-11 I plan to be there on the 9th weather permitting. Look me up if you make it. Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 2 10:04:54 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:04:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Wings, Wheels & Rotors Expo Message-ID: <9E6BBE34-786B-4A14-B16C-12C338230E58@rustyiron.com> And ALL the pictures are stills. http://engines.rustyiron.com/losalamitos06 From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 2 12:32:56 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:32:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Wings, Wheels & Rotors Expo In-Reply-To: <9E6BBE34-786B-4A14-B16C-12C338230E58@rustyiron.com> References: <9E6BBE34-786B-4A14-B16C-12C338230E58@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Jeeze, how boring... No movies, no slide shows, no tunes... On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Rob Skinner wrote: > And ALL the pictures are stills. > http://engines.rustyiron.com/losalamitos06 From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Nov 2 14:31:45 2006 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 17:31:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case 320 backhoe with a spun bearing available In-Reply-To: <000d01c6fe1a$40aecc40$1b0b5a04@notebook> Message-ID: Vestal, NY 13850 Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Lew Best Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Case 320 backhoe with a spun bearing available where is it located? Lew near Waco, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Case 320 backhoe with a spun bearing available > I know this is a stationary list and not a tractor list but my boss has a > Case 320 backhoe that he > has had for years, built his house with etc...... then it spun a bearing and > he is looking to get rid > of it. He was talking with a scrap man - so he is serious. I'd rather see it > go to someone who > may use parts or make it run again. > > I have pictures - if you email me, I'll email you 3 jpegs. > > It is Rusty - Very Rusty. It does have a new hydraulic pump that my boss > mounted on it not long ago. > Glenn Wilson > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Fri Nov 3 16:05:42 2006 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:05:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! In-Reply-To: <016301c6e4fa$ff7eba10$05e14044@pengy> Message-ID: <20061104000542.81198.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com> Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 months I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've repeatedly asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were able to cast with no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to get my stuff back. I hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days from Nov 4th to get everything back to me. At the end of that time I'm going to seek legal advice on the matter. Sorry but I don't know any other way to prod you off your ass and down to the posty. I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a private matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get the message. NICK Rick Rowlands wrote: I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will be shipped off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. Rick --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 3 16:34:02 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 18:34:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Jim Tremble's E-mail address Message-ID: <007901c6ffa8$edf1e740$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I need Jim Tremble's e-mail address. Does anyone have it? Thanks, Paul From skipl130 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 3 16:52:45 2006 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:52:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! In-Reply-To: <20061104000542.81198.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061104005245.81468.qmail@web35302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fuller & Johnson wrote: Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 months I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've repeatedly asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were able to cast with no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to get my stuff back. I hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days from Nov 4th to get everything back to me. At the end of that time I'm going to seek legal advice on the matter. Sorry but I don't know any other way to prod you off your ass and down to the posty. I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a private matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get the message. NICK Rick Rowlands wrote: I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will be shipped off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. Rick --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited Try it today. From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net Fri Nov 3 17:32:11 2006 From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:32:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! References: <20061104000542.81198.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006d01c6ffb1$0d1370f0$05e14044@pengy> Now that the foundry is closed I have a full time job trying to make some money to pay off all the debts incurred in the business. My job keeps me busy during the normal business hours and I just don't have the free time to search around for a box to package stuff up to ship, then pack it and take to the post office or even worse a 1/2 hour drive to UPS. Besides that I have to search through all these emails to make sure I don't send someone else's part to the wrong person. I had people sending me pieces to make and they wouldn't put a return address or anyhing in the box so the only way I have to identify a part is to look through a years worth of emails and hopefully find a picture they sent me. Geez there are three packages that have been riding around in my truck for a week. No time to stop by the post office to mail them out. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fuller & Johnson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! > Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you > waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 months > I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've repeatedly > asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were able to cast with > no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to get my stuff back. I > hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days from Nov 4th to get everything > back to me. At the end of that time I'm going to seek legal advice on the > matter. Sorry but I don't know any other way to prod you off your ass and > down to the posty. > > I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a private > matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get the message. > > NICK > > Rick Rowlands wrote: > I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will be > shipped > off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. > > Rick > > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Nov 3 17:50:08 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 12:50:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! References: <20061104000542.81198.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com> <006d01c6ffb1$0d1370f0$05e14044@pengy> Message-ID: <005101c6ffb3$904b2330$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I dont know the reasons behind this sad business but, Rick NEEDS to get it sorted FAST! Already he has some folk angry and their opinion of him will be passed on, with the end result that his reputation will NEVER recover. No matter what the reasons, there is NO excuse for ignoring people that you have their stuff, or have money paid in and the product not delivered in the agreed time. The Bromps episode is a good example of a reputation gone. There are NO winners in this sort of thing. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! > Now that the foundry is closed I have a full time job trying to make some > money to pay off all the debts incurred in the business. My job keeps me > busy during the normal business hours and I just don't have the free time > to search around for a box to package stuff up to ship, then pack it and > take to the post office or even worse a 1/2 hour drive to UPS. Besides > that I have to search through all these emails to make sure I don't send > someone else's part to the wrong person. I had people sending me pieces > to make and they wouldn't put a return address or anyhing in the box so > the only way I have to identify a part is to look through a years worth of > emails and hopefully find a picture they sent me. > > Geez there are three packages that have been riding around in my truck for > a week. No time to stop by the post office to mail them out. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fuller & Johnson" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:05 PM > Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! > > >> Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you >> waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 months >> I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've repeatedly >> asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were able to cast with >> no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to get my stuff back. I >> hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days from Nov 4th to get everything >> back to me. At the end of that time I'm going to seek legal advice on >> the matter. Sorry but I don't know any other way to prod you off your >> ass and down to the posty. >> >> I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a private >> matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get the message. >> >> NICK >> >> Rick Rowlands wrote: >> I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will be >> shipped >> off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. >> >> Rick >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net Fri Nov 3 18:10:50 2006 From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 21:10:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! References: <20061104000542.81198.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com><006d01c6ffb1$0d1370f0$05e14044@pengy> <005101c6ffb3$904b2330$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <008001c6ffb6$733483b0$05e14044@pengy> I'm not ignoring anyone. Its simply a matter of not enough time to do everything. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! >I dont know the reasons behind this sad business but, Rick NEEDS to get it >sorted FAST! > Already he has some folk angry and their opinion of him will be passed on, > with the end result that his reputation will NEVER recover. > No matter what the reasons, there is NO excuse for ignoring people that > you have their stuff, or have money paid in and the product not delivered > in the agreed time. > The Bromps episode is a good example of a reputation gone. > There are NO winners in this sort of thing. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! > > >> Now that the foundry is closed I have a full time job trying to make some >> money to pay off all the debts incurred in the business. My job keeps me >> busy during the normal business hours and I just don't have the free time >> to search around for a box to package stuff up to ship, then pack it and >> take to the post office or even worse a 1/2 hour drive to UPS. Besides >> that I have to search through all these emails to make sure I don't send >> someone else's part to the wrong person. I had people sending me pieces >> to make and they wouldn't put a return address or anyhing in the box so >> the only way I have to identify a part is to look through a years worth >> of emails and hopefully find a picture they sent me. >> >> Geez there are three packages that have been riding around in my truck >> for a week. No time to stop by the post office to mail them out. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fuller & Johnson" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:05 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! >> >> >>> Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you >>> waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 months >>> I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've repeatedly >>> asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were able to cast with >>> no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to get my stuff back. I >>> hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days from Nov 4th to get >>> everything back to me. At the end of that time I'm going to seek legal >>> advice on the matter. Sorry but I don't know any other way to prod you >>> off your ass and down to the posty. >>> >>> I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a >>> private matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get the >>> message. >>> >>> NICK >>> >>> Rick Rowlands wrote: >>> I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will be >>> shipped >>> off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Nov 3 21:28:28 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 13:28:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! References: <20061104000542.81198.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com><006d01c6ffb1$0d1370f0$05e14044@pengy> <005101c6ffb3$904b2330$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001f01c6ffd2$12dbd650$0eb531cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hey Reg ...more fool me ,I gave a magneto to someone 5 years ago still not got it . The TOMM saga continues ,you were spot on in your opinion! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! >I dont know the reasons behind this sad business but, Rick NEEDS to get it >sorted FAST! > Already he has some folk angry and their opinion of him will be passed on, > with the end result that his reputation will NEVER recover. > No matter what the reasons, there is NO excuse for ignoring people that > you have their stuff, or have money paid in and the product not delivered > in the agreed time. > The Bromps episode is a good example of a reputation gone. > There are NO winners in this sort of thing. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! > > >> Now that the foundry is closed I have a full time job trying to make some >> money to pay off all the debts incurred in the business. My job keeps me >> busy during the normal business hours and I just don't have the free time >> to search around for a box to package stuff up to ship, then pack it and >> take to the post office or even worse a 1/2 hour drive to UPS. Besides >> that I have to search through all these emails to make sure I don't send >> someone else's part to the wrong person. I had people sending me pieces >> to make and they wouldn't put a return address or anyhing in the box so >> the only way I have to identify a part is to look through a years worth >> of emails and hopefully find a picture they sent me. >> >> Geez there are three packages that have been riding around in my truck >> for a week. No time to stop by the post office to mail them out. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fuller & Johnson" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:05 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! >> >> >>> Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you >>> waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 months >>> I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've repeatedly >>> asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were able to cast with >>> no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to get my stuff back. I >>> hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days from Nov 4th to get >>> everything back to me. At the end of that time I'm going to seek legal >>> advice on the matter. Sorry but I don't know any other way to prod you >>> off your ass and down to the posty. >>> >>> I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a >>> private matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get the >>> message. >>> >>> NICK >>> >>> Rick Rowlands wrote: >>> I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will be >>> shipped >>> off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Nov 4 07:56:40 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 09:56:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! In-Reply-To: <001f01c6ffd2$12dbd650$0eb531cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <008501c70029$d3884210$aa00a8c0@sheeba> A couple of years back we sold our retail business....... Prior to that, we: *Both had full-time jobs *Owned and operated a full-time retail store that grosses just under 500K annually. *Ran a quilting business from our home, at times putting out up to 30 finished quilts a month. (quilting meaning the customers furnished their quilt tops and backing, I put them on the machine and Barbara quilted them.) *Barbara sewed and quilted samples for the store. Please don't tell me about not having time.......... We got things done and kept our promises........ Now we still do all of the above except no longer have the store. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! Hey Reg ...more fool me ,I gave a magneto to someone 5 years ago still not got it . The TOMM saga continues ,you were spot on in your opinion! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! >I dont know the reasons behind this sad business but, Rick NEEDS to get >it sorted FAST! > Already he has some folk angry and their opinion of him will be passed >on, with the end result that his reputation will NEVER recover. > No matter what the reasons, there is NO excuse for ignoring people >that you have their stuff, or have money paid in and the product not >delivered in the agreed time. > The Bromps episode is a good example of a reputation gone. > There are NO winners in this sort of thing. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! > > >> Now that the foundry is closed I have a full time job trying to make >> some money to pay off all the debts incurred in the business. My job >> keeps me busy during the normal business hours and I just don't have >> the free time to search around for a box to package stuff up to ship, >> then pack it and take to the post office or even worse a 1/2 hour >> drive to UPS. Besides that I have to search through all these emails >> to make sure I don't send someone else's part to the wrong person. I >> had people sending me pieces to make and they wouldn't put a return >> address or anyhing in the box so the only way I have to identify a >> part is to look through a years worth of emails and hopefully find a picture they sent me. >> >> Geez there are three packages that have been riding around in my >> truck for a week. No time to stop by the post office to mail them out. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fuller & Johnson" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:05 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Attn: Rick Rowlands - WHERE THE FECK ARE MY PARTS!!! >> >> >>> Rick - up till now I've been polite and exceedingly patient with you >>> waiting to get parts back that I sent 10 months ago. It's now 3 >>> months I've been asking that you just send everything back. I've >>> repeatedly asked if you needed $$ up front for the parts you were >>> able to cast with no response. I'm at my wits end on what to do to >>> get my stuff back. I hate to do this but I'm giving you 14 days >>> from Nov 4th to get everything back to me. At the end of that time >>> I'm going to seek legal advice on the matter. Sorry but I don't >>> know any other way to prod you off your ass and down to the posty. >>> >>> I appologize to the rest of the list for making what should be a >>> private matter public but it's the only way I'm sure Rick will get >>> the message. >>> >>> NICK >>> >>> Rick Rowlands wrote: >>> I'm now gathering up your parts to be returned. Your package will >>> be shipped off once I am sure that I have everything that you sent. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 15:43:37 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:43:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Engine Mailbox Picture Message-ID: <000c01c7006b$0ce603d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok gang Nick Rowland sent this picture in: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/NickRowlandMailbox.jpg Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 15:46:37 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:46:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Mailbox Picture (Big) Message-ID: <001301c7006b$788cc2e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Paul Thompson sent this picture in: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/PaulThompsonMailbox.jpg Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 15:55:04 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:55:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! Message-ID: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> Gang we are getting in some nice pictures of folks engine and tractor mailboxes and I hope we get a lot more. Let's expand this thread to include any and all tractor and engine YARD DISPLAYS. Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Nov 4 16:30:58 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 19:30:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! In-Reply-To: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <3027e8b710374f84338f8c556b72345f@chartertn.net> This is from a while back: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/christmasengine.jpg John On Nov 4, 2006, at 6:55 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Gang we are getting in some nice pictures of folks engine and tractor > mailboxes and I hope we get a lot more. Let's expand this thread to > include any and all tractor and engine YARD DISPLAYS. > > Paul John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 16:43:50 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:43:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! References: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> <3027e8b710374f84338f8c556b72345f@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <008301c70073$76acbea0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks John I will add it to the album. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! > This is from a while back: > > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/christmasengine.jpg > > John > > On Nov 4, 2006, at 6:55 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 16:55:23 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:55:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone got a 501 Stover? Message-ID: <009e01c70075$13a1e860$240110ac@FAMILY> I need to talk to anyone who has a 501 Stover or has any literature on this engine. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 16:02:12 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:02:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Yard Display Message-ID: <004c01c7006d$a5823e40$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Gang here is the first picture of a Old Engine Yard Display. This display is owned and displayed by John Ames in Missouri: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/JohnAmesYardDisplay.jpg Paul From billalan at busynet.net Sat Nov 4 20:19:35 2006 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:19:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! In-Reply-To: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <454D6657.2020703@busynet.net> I don't have a picture of it, but at the Girl Scout camp where my daughter went, they used a crankshaft fron an 8 cylinder engine hanging from a chain on a tree for a dinner bell. The striker was a connecting rod, but that turned up missing a while back. It did have a nice ring to it. From the Cheddar Curtain (SE WI) Bill Herreid Paul Maples wrote: >Gang we are getting in some nice pictures of folks engine and tractor mailboxes and I hope we get a lot more. Let's expand this thread to include any and all tractor and engine YARD DISPLAYS. > >Paul > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 4 21:12:07 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 23:12:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! References: <002801c7006c$a70d8ea0$240110ac@FAMILY> <454D6657.2020703@busynet.net> Message-ID: <000e01c70098$f185df60$240110ac@FAMILY> Bill this would have been an interesting picture to see. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Herreid" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Engine Mailboxes - Let's Expand! >I don't have a picture of it, but at the Girl Scout camp where my > daughter went, they used a crankshaft fron an 8 cylinder engine hanging > from a chain on a tree for a dinner bell. The striker was a connecting > rod, but that turned up missing a while back. It did have a nice ring > to it. > > From the Cheddar Curtain (SE WI) > Bill Herreid > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 5 03:48:37 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 03:48:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Engine Yard Display In-Reply-To: <004c01c7006d$a5823e40$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <20061105114837.41730.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nothing wrong with that display. Living in north western Pennsylvania we have a few of these still in operation. Ron Paul Maples wrote: Ok Gang here is the first picture of a Old Engine Yard Display. This display is owned and displayed by John Ames in Missouri: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/JohnAmesYardDisplay.jpg Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the new Yahoo.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 5 07:40:07 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 09:40:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display Message-ID: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Gang Tom Germoamer just sent this picture in along with a note that this old tractor/stationary haybaler and yellow 4ft diameter saw blade that is painted with a smiley face is at the entrance to their driveway and has been a driving direction landmark over the years. Tom stated he is really enjoying all of the pictures folks are sending in so keep em coming. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 5 09:12:17 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:12:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display In-Reply-To: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> That link doesn't work, Paul. On Nov 5, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Gang Tom Germoamer just sent this picture in along with a note that > this old tractor/stationary haybaler and yellow 4ft diameter saw blade > that is painted with a smiley face is at the entrance to their > driveway and has been a driving direction landmark over the years. Tom > stated he is really enjoying all of the pictures folks are sending in > so keep em coming. > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 5 09:38:04 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:38:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <005901c70101$26398f50$240110ac@FAMILY> John I just forwarded it to myself and it worked fine. Let's try it again: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display > That link doesn't work, Paul. > > On Nov 5, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Ok Gang Tom Germoamer just sent this picture in along with a note that >> this old tractor/stationary haybaler and yellow 4ft diameter saw blade >> that is painted with a smiley face is at the entrance to their >> driveway and has been a driving direction landmark over the years. Tom >> stated he is really enjoying all of the pictures folks are sending in >> so keep em coming. >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Sun Nov 5 10:02:42 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:02:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display In-Reply-To: <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <200611051802420000.012099C6@smtp.holden1.net> It works ok for me *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 05/11/2006 at 12:12 John Culp wrote: >That link doesn't work, Paul. > >On Nov 5, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Ok Gang Tom Germoamer just sent this picture in along with a note that >> this old tractor/stationary haybaler and yellow 4ft diameter saw blade >> that is painted with a smiley face is at the entrance to their >> driveway and has been a driving direction landmark over the years. Tom >> stated he is really enjoying all of the pictures folks are sending in >> so keep em coming. >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Nick Holden Banbury , UK http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 5 10:07:13 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:07:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY><8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> <200611051802420000.012099C6@smtp.holden1.net> Message-ID: <006001c70105$39425060$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Nick, it must have something to do with John's ISP provider. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Holden" To: Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re[2]: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display > It works ok for me > >>>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg >> >> >>John Culp >>Bristol, Tennessee, USA >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Nick Holden > Banbury , UK > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > _______________________________________________ > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Nov 5 10:08:43 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 18:08:43 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001e01c70105$6f2a35d0$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display > That link doesn't work, Paul. > > On Nov 5, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Ok Gang Tom Germoamer just sent this picture in along with a note that >> this old tractor/stationary haybaler and yellow 4ft diameter saw blade >> that is painted with a smiley face is at the entrance to their >> driveway and has been a driving direction landmark over the years. Tom >> stated he is really enjoying all of the pictures folks are sending in >> so keep em coming. >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA It works OK for me John! Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From nick at holden1.net Sun Nov 5 10:09:35 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:09:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display In-Reply-To: <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <200611051809350875.0126EA79@smtp.holden1.net> It is working hear ok Nick Holden Banbury , UK http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 05/11/2006 at 12:12 John Culp wrote: >That link doesn't work, Paul. > >On Nov 5, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Ok Gang Tom Germoamer just sent this picture in along with a note that >> this old tractor/stationary haybaler and yellow 4ft diameter saw blade >> that is painted with a smiley face is at the entrance to their >> driveway and has been a driving direction landmark over the years. Tom >> stated he is really enjoying all of the pictures folks are sending in >> so keep em coming. >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 5 10:15:37 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:15:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display In-Reply-To: <005901c70101$26398f50$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY> <8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> <005901c70101$26398f50$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Works now. Came up with a PhotoBucket "Not Found" error message before. John On Nov 5, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > John I just forwarded it to myself and it worked fine. Let's try it > again: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 5 10:45:02 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:45:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY><8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net><005901c70101$26398f50$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <007101c7010a$815a7bc0$240110ac@FAMILY> Good John. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display > Works now. Came up with a PhotoBucket "Not Found" error message before. > > John > > On Nov 5, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> John I just forwarded it to myself and it worked fine. Let's try it >> again: >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/TomsYardDisplay.jpg > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 5 11:06:52 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 14:06:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another Tractor Yard Display In-Reply-To: <006001c70105$39425060$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <002d01c700f0$ac1d9780$240110ac@FAMILY><8279dc3db29c73952751252c24dd6e32@chartertn.net> <200611051802420000.012099C6@smtp.holden1.net> <006001c70105$39425060$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <866639bd8c683409f047ccf78240ae9e@chartertn.net> No, it was PhotoBucket. As a PhotoBucket user myself, I know they sometimes have problems. I've posted pics on websites and then gotten a flurry of "I can't see it" messages. Then it'd work later with the same link. John On Nov 5, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Thanks Nick, it must have something to do with John's ISP provider. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Nov 5 22:00:13 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:00:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Write up Message-ID: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I dont think a lot of list members know about this site. http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html Dave Croft started it a time back. I feel we need to all update it. Comments? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Nov 5 22:06:28 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:06:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Members pics Message-ID: <013901c70169$e54fbaf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> There are pics of members on these sites. http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/photoalbum.shtml and http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/ It would be good if all of us added to this info data. I find it great to be able to see a pic of each of you. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Nov 6 02:44:40 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:44:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Original International Engine handbook on Oz ebay Message-ID: <454F1218.9070105@steamengine.com.au> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Kerosene-Engine-Instruction-book_W0QQitemZ170046202900QQihZ007QQcategoryZ828QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Someone may be interested. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Nov 6 03:36:23 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:36:23 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Stationary Engine Trophy Message-ID: <20061106141478.SM00996@new.databak.co.za> Hi All, We had our clubs annual prizegiving do yesterday and my daughter won the Stationary Engine trophy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/prize/index.htm This was really a pleasant surprise but the prize is not necessarily awarded to the person with the most rare or expensive engine - more to someone who has done a lot of work and shows enthusiasm for the hobby. It's really great to see some recognition for the younger members and encourages them a lot. (She's already planning her next engine!) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 6 05:08:13 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:08:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Stationary Engine Trophy References: <20061106141478.SM00996@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <001f01c701a4$9e7f36b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Fantastic Jerry, what a way to promote the hobby and getting the younger generation involved. Congratulations to your daughter, great looking engine and a very nice looking lady to enhance the appearance of the engine, I know you are a proud Dad. But what the heck is potijekos?, sounds like something I need to try being a lover of food. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: [SEL] 2006 Stationary Engine Trophy > Hi All, > We had our clubs annual prizegiving do yesterday and my daughter > won the Stationary Engine trophy. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/prize/index.htm > > This was really a pleasant surprise but the prize is not > necessarily awarded to the person with the most rare or expensive engine - > more to someone who has done a lot of work and shows enthusiasm for the > hobby. > It's really great to see some recognition for the younger members > and encourages them a lot. (She's already planning her next engine!) > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 6 06:15:36 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:15:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] East coasters..... Message-ID: <454F4388.6000603@imc-group.com> Gentlemen, May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby to the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and is in Maryland. Wondered what SEL'ers along the route from NC to MD there might be, who would be interested in us dropping in to meet you and see your engine collections. Would likely be one of the next two weekends. It's always good to meet fellow listers. Let me know if this is of interest. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 6 07:11:33 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:11:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Members pics Message-ID: <20061106.102229.624.11.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Reg, I've been looking for those sites. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 6 07:04:14 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:04:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Stationary Engine Trophy Message-ID: <20061106.102229.624.10.jlb94@juno.com> Congrats to Jacqui - and - also to you Jerry. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 6 07:13:49 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:13:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Write up Message-ID: <20061106.102229.624.12.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Reg, I feel ALL these site should be updated from time to time. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From segray at bigvalley.net Mon Nov 6 08:54:13 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:54:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Write up In-Reply-To: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <454F68B5.8050007@bigvalley.net> Mornin' Reg & All - Since I volunteered to take over the SEL member write-ups for Dave a while back, I also agree that these should be updated now and then (my own is a good example!). Having just spoken with Dave this morning about the subject, we both felt it would be a good idea for all those who want to be included in the intros page, to have you post your new/rehab'd intro to the list to let the members get a glimpse of what's new, and I will filter those off, both by hand and by email filter, to a special folder to collect them all. After a sufficient number of updates are collected (and I hopefully get past some of the legalities concerning the contractor who botched up my shop building!), I will start putting some time in on rebuilding the intro page. Strictly as a thought at this point, IF it appears it would work out feasibility wise and preference wise, I might also consider building a matching member photo page and hosting it. If you want to add/update pictures, consider what you would like to see and let me know. I'll pass on the general consensus to the list after a trend develops. **** IF YOU DO POST AN INTRO, please include the term "Intro" in the message Subject to help me catch them as they're posted! **** Any comments on this? - Steve P.S. - For Peter Lowe's S.F.trip, don't forget Peter, there's some of us R&V owners in the general area! ;-) -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com R & M Ingold wrote: > I dont think a lot of list members know about this site. > http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html > Dave Croft started it a time back. > I feel we need to all update it. > Comments? > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Nov 6 09:50:14 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:50:14 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Write up References: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <454F68B5.8050007@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: <002301c701cc$04d03aa0$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Write up > Mornin' Reg & All - > Since I volunteered to take over the SEL member write-ups for Dave a > while back, I also agree that these should be updated now and then (my > own is a good example!). Having just spoken with Dave this morning about > the subject, we both felt it would be a good idea for all those who want > to be included in the intros page, to have you post your new/rehab'd > intro to the list to let the members get a glimpse of what's new, and I > will filter those off, both by hand and by email filter, to a special > folder to collect them all. After a sufficient number of updates are > collected (and I hopefully get past some of the legalities concerning > the contractor who botched up my shop building!), I will start putting > some time in on rebuilding the intro page. Strictly as a thought at this > point, IF it appears it would work out feasibility wise and preference > wise, I might also consider building a matching member photo page and > hosting it. If you want to add/update pictures, consider what you would > like to see and let me know. I'll pass on the general consensus to the > list after a trend develops. > **** IF YOU DO POST AN INTRO, please include the term "Intro" in the > message Subject to help me catch them as they're posted! **** > Any comments on this? > - Steve As Steve has just said I think it is a good idea to post to the list first. That is how it started in the first place about 4 years ago (I think!) The usual winters cabin fever was developing so some genius suggested we posted our histories & details to calm things down. The results were so good that I copied them all & posted them in list form. Unfortunately, much as I would like to repeat it I am not able to do it now. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldengineman at hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 11:43:27 2006 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:43:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] East coasters..... In-Reply-To: <454F4388.6000603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hey Curt, You are welcome to stop in at my place if you get near by. You know where my place is. I should be home both weekends. Pete Stauffer >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL , "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > >CC: "Tyler Ray (Asheville)" >Subject: [SEL] East coasters..... >Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:15:36 -0500 > >Gentlemen, >May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby to >the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and is in >Maryland. Wondered what SEL'ers along the route from NC to MD there might >be, who would be interested in us dropping in to meet you and see your >engine collections. Would likely be one of the next two weekends. It's >always good to meet fellow listers. >Let me know if this is of interest. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From edurand at iglou.com Mon Nov 6 14:15:02 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:15:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Intro In-Reply-To: <002301c701cc$04d03aa0$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: 6 November 2006 I suppose I should finally get around to writing something about myself. As of this date, I'm 64 going on 65. Been married for 34 years. Elaine just barely tolerates my rustaholism. Education: High school then started at Speed Scientific School at the University of Louisville. Three months later, I decided that I didn't need to spend 5 years learning a lot of things I would most likely never use so I quit and got a job. It didn't take me long to get bored with that so, with 'ol Uncle Sam looking over my shoulder, I beat the draft and joined the Air Force. Career: In 1965, after my military service, I got an FCC "First Phone" license and worked at WAKY-AM, WAVE-AM,TV and WHAS-AM,FM,TV. While doing broadcast engineering I started my company, Pewee Valley Industries, Inc. PVI was a one man consultancy that concentrated on electronic circuit design and product development. In 1976, I decided to see if PVI could be made to pay so I quit WHAS and went fulltime with my business. PVI was moderately successful and I kept at it until a couple of years ago when I closed it and retired. Hobby: I've been interested in mechanical things for as long as I can remember. I got my first engine, a 1-1/2 HP dishpan flywheel Fairbanks-Morse in 1950 when I was about nine years old. Our neighbor couldn't get it to run and, after cranking blisters on his hand for a whole day, said that I could have it if I could make it run. Ten minutes later, it was mine. I kept the dishpan for about six years until a friend decided he just had to have it. I really didn't want to part with it but he said he'd trade even a vertical Fairbanks-Morse engine he'd just taken from a loft. I've still got it and you can see it on my webpage below. Just within the last couple of years, I found out that the serial number of my 2 HP Jack of All Trades is 665. This puts the date of manufacture at about 1897, making it one of the earliest Jack of All Trades engines in existence. Fast forward to about 1996. I got my third engine, another Fairbanks-Morse. This one was a basket case ZC-52 which had been abandoned in a western Indiana oilfield when the pumps were electrified. The friend who gave it to me (yes, ANOTHER freebie!) said that either I could take it or he'd scrap it. I took it. Being a junk collector, I also hauled home an old Sears Suburban garden tractor with a bad engine, yup - yet another freebie. One day, I was sitting in the garage looking at the rusty pile of parts engine and the rusty tractor and decided that I needed a way to get the engine around to shows. I mounted the ZC-52 on the tractor and now have one of the world's only Hoyt-Clagwell 54/75 tractors. Elaine and I still own the home and seventeen acres in Kentucky we built during our first year of marriage. We also own a home in Florida on the north shore of Choctawhatchee Bay. At this time, both homes are for sale and, when one of them sells, we plan to move to Mexico Beach, Florida to spend the rest of our lives watching sunsets. Oh, yes - I'll also be dabbling in rust. Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Nov 6 13:44:32 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:44:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Write up References: <20061106.102229.624.12.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c701ec$c6036790$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Yes but, a lot dont even know they are there. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Write up > Hi Reg, > > I feel ALL these site should be updated from time to time. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." > > (_o_) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Mon Nov 6 14:52:27 2006 From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:52:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Write up In-Reply-To: <454F68B5.8050007@bigvalley.net> References: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <454F68B5.8050007@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: <1162853547.2839.25.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com> On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 08:54 -0800, Steve Gray wrote: > Strictly as a thought at this > point, IF it appears it would work out feasibility wise and preference > wise, I might also consider building a matching member photo page and > hosting it. If you want to add/update pictures, consider what you would > like to see and let me know. I'll pass on the general consensus to the > list after a trend develops. You are welcome to continue using the Rogue's List that I maintain: http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people I would like to solicit more pictures from list members. When you take pictures of other rust-aholics, send copies to me so that I can put them on the Rogue's List. I would like to thank Reg for sending several photos recently, they will be on the photo album soon. Pete. -- Pete Alleman pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Lafayette, Louisiana, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Nov 6 14:53:17 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:53:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Stationary Engine Trophy In-Reply-To: <20061106141478.SM00996@new.databak.co.za> References: <20061106141478.SM00996@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <18e7a61b673805f856ca34ab1aa5ef35@chartertn.net> That's terrific, Jerry! :-D John On Nov 6, 2006, at 6:36 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > We had our clubs annual prizegiving do yesterday and my > daughter won the Stationary Engine trophy. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/prize/index.htm John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 6 15:03:39 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:03:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters..... In-Reply-To: <00e201c701e8$2b953e30$6401a8c0@office> References: <454F4388.6000603@imc-group.com> <00e201c701e8$2b953e30$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <454FBF4B.8060605@imc-group.com> John, I know it was on eBay and the auction was over Sunday evening. Sounds like it is the same one. The lucky bidder, Tyler Ray, tells me he is subscribed to the SEL now, and perhaps this is a good time for him to pipe up and tell us a little something about himself. I met him at the Arden show two weekends ago and he's a good fellow. They stopped by our house last evening for a nice visit. Of course we stumbled thru the very dark yard and over to the engine shed to run a few engines by flashlight. Ahh life is good. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. I cc:d this over to the SEL since I don't think Tyler is on oldengine.org yet. Tyler, if you reply, please "reply all" and your post will go to both lists. John Cullom wrote: > Hi Curt, > Is it the Alamo that Ira Barnes had on Ebay? If so, it's not far > from me at all. You all are welcome to stop by here & see my meager > collection. > John > Westminster, Md. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > >> May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby >> to the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and >> is in Maryland. > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon Nov 6 16:55:35 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:55:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] East coasters..... References: <454F4388.6000603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <009501c70207$6fc756f0$d7d04c0c@D48VHZ61> Curt, if you are coming through Durham, maybe you can stop by here if scheduling permits. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Cc: "Tyler Ray (Asheville)" Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [SEL] East coasters..... > Gentlemen, > May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby to > the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and is in > Maryland. Wondered what SEL'ers along the route from NC to MD there might > be, who would be interested in us dropping in to meet you and see your > engine collections. Would likely be one of the next two weekends. It's > always good to meet fellow listers. > Let me know if this is of interest. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net Mon Nov 6 17:07:58 2006 From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:07:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Foundry References: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <009201c70209$2a7bb4e0$3a52bc4c@pengy> Everyone, After a deserved off list ass chewing from a couple of SEL friends I realized that I must stop procrastinating and get things taken care of. I shipped out the castings to Nick Lozzi today and have been boxing up other stuff to go out later in the week to other customers. I need to get this chapter of my life over with and get on with the tasks at hand. I must put my efforts toward restoring the Tod instead of trying to run a business. I can't do both. So after the loose ends with the customers are tied up and the furnace sold to satisfy the outstanding electric bill, I will be finding new homes for the rest of the foundry equipment. There are a couple more debts to be repaid. Rick Rowlands Youngstown, OH From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 17:48:32 2006 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:48:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html Message-ID: >>>I dont think a lot of list members know about this site. http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html Dave Croft started it a time back. I feel we need to all update it. Comments? >>>Reg You're right, old top. The info appears to be about five years old. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Nov 6 17:59:28 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:59:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual In-Reply-To: <110120061457.28170.4548B5EC000027D100006E0A219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20061107015942.5B5E89B431@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Hi Curt, Thanks very much. The copies arrived over the weekend while we were at a swap meet. Thanks again. Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:58 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual Jimmy, Watch post box as just sent your manual, actually made you two one to keep clean and the other use in the shop if need be. I do have a large assortment of other engine literature so if there is any thing else I can help you with just give me a call. thanks again, Curt > Hi Curt , Thanks for your time and effort. The funds are in the mailbox. > Please let me know if it arrives so I know it didn't go to "Mail Heaven." > Jimmy > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:44 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > Jim, > When you have time send me a check for $10.00 to cover reproduction and > mailing costs for a copy to me at: > Curt Andree > 6419 Basswood Road > McConnell, Illinois 61050 > > > > Hi Curt,I'd like one.Please send an address so I can pay you. Thanks in > > advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, 20 Sunnyhill Rd. Novato,Ca. 94945 ,415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > cgandree at mchsi.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:08 AM > > To: Old eng list; SEL Lists > > Subject: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > > > Yesterday I picked up an orginal manual for a Temple Pump Co. Engine. It > > covers basic setup and adjustments for 2 thru 25hp engines. Has some good > > diagrams,etc. Be happy to duplicate copies for anyone having such an > > engine. > > Please contact me. > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Nov 6 18:11:03 2006 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 21:11:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Write Up - update on Glenn Wilson In-Reply-To: <454F68B5.8050007@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: This is Glenn Wilson and my first write-up seems to be about 5 years ago. I'm still into engines but have faded away from them temporarly for a while as my kidneys died, then my dad died. I have since found a woman and have been living with her for 2+ years :) She and I will come to Portland one day. The pain associated with Portland has faded some since I was there last. Some of you know what happened - most probably don't. I may be the only one who ever dropped out of the Oil Field Engine Society. I still have the 15HP half breed that I paid $800 for on eBay and the 22.5HP Bessemer. I still have Skip Landis' 18HP Christensen and my 9HP Economy and several smaller engines. My new lady and I have moved into a house built around 1800. We have been rebuilding it - yes, it has taken time but has been rewarding. I still work for the same company but they have changed their name to Emerson Network Power - Surge Protection where I've been a Sr. Electrical Des. Engineer for 10+ years. Oh, about the kindey, I recieved a transplant May 11, 2006. Although it isn't working perfectly, I've been off dialysis since about June 1, 2006. This is enough of any update for now. Glenn Wilson From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 18:20:15 2006 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:20:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Intro Message-ID: 11/2006 I'm 63, married to Paula for 41 years. We met in the bedroom of the girl next door, but that's another story. We have two kids. Bob is a police officer in Fort Collins, Colorado. He's married to Michelle, who is a stay-at-home mom to our ten and four year old granddaughters. Our daughter, Sarah, is married to Sean. He's a member of the IT staff at the University of Missouri and a recent graduate. Sarah is a pediatrician, in her third year of residency. She and Sean became the parents of yet another granddaughter in February of 2006. I was born and raised in the Kansas City area. In the final semester of my senior year of college in 1966, my friends and neighbors sent me greetings. Spent boot camp at Fort Leonard Wood, MO, AIT at Fort Devens, MA for a year learning the beginnings of cryptology, as well as becoming proficient in "ditties" - then referred to as international Morse Code. Never used it, but was good at it. Spent a bit more than a year in RVN, then five more in Colorado Springs, CO. We moved back to the Kansas City area in 1973. I?ve now forgotten my work history, as the seven-day weekend arrived on St Patrick?s Day of this year. I still have but the one engine, as time, space, and money always seem spoken for prior to hobby time. My engine is the universally reviled F-M dishpan, a 2 HP dual-fuel example. She rides on the original stamped steel skid, which is bolted to the original truck. I "think" it has its original paint, too. I'd like at least one more before I die, a hit and miss. Doesn't matter much which make or style, as long as it putts properly. A nearby farmer who passed away several years ago, had maybe 50 flywheel engines. So far, his heirs will not even discuss the matter 8-(. I exercise the .45 left over from pistol team days, and now and then break out the camera. Oh, and once I hauled a Foos, Mike Tucker's, from Nebraska to Kansas City, just so I could say I'd had an exotic in the truck. I've had the good fortune and pleasure of meeting several list members, including Ted and Jennifer Brookover, Calvin and Dixie Brookover, Tim Christoff, Ray France, George Vaughan, Charley Bryant, and Mark Bookout. Without exception, each has been friendly and helpful. Try to find that in any other hobby! The SEL has been such a fount of information and entertainment. I appreciate the list and all its members immensely. As of May of this year, we have sold nearly all our possessions, and bought a large caravan/5th wheel trailer and a diesel pickup to serve as a tug, Since then, we?ve put 13K miles on the rig, and visited TN, KY, MO, IL, IA, NE, SD, WY, MT, CO, OK, and seen a lot more of KS. We?ll keep doing this until we can?t or tire of it, then find a place to light. Should be able to make more engine shows now! Bruce Younger Somewhere, USA Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Mon Nov 6 19:15:35 2006 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:15:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] East coasters..... In-Reply-To: <454F4388.6000603@imc-group.com> References: <454F4388.6000603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <454FFA57.4010403@zoominternet.net> Curt, If I'd known, I could have brought it on my way to Spartanburg, SC. I'll be passing by Gastonia on my way back to Rising Sun, MD. It's not really that long a drive (sounds worse than it is). What part of MD are you heading to? I'll be driving back to MD on Friday, either leaving at 9 pm on Thursday evening or 3 am Friday morning (want to miss am or pm rush hour at the MD/VA line in DC. We don't collect stationary engines but I'm friends with several persons who have a few. Feel free to look me up if you get near the PA/MD/DE state lines (I live where the three states come together. Ed (my work cell-until Tuesday a.m. 843-822-2645, after Tuesday 443-309-2877) Curt wrote: > Gentlemen, > May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby > to the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and > is in Maryland. Wondered what SEL'ers along the route from NC to MD > there might be, who would be interested in us dropping in to meet you > and see your engine collections. Would likely be one of the next two > weekends. It's always good to meet fellow listers. > Let me know if this is of interest. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Mon Nov 6 19:17:46 2006 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:17:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454FFADA.4060101@zoominternet.net> Dave is the guy who had the bicycle accident and head injury some time back, correct? I've been out of touch, did he survive the ordeal or expire? Ed Bruce Younger wrote: >>>> I dont think a lot of list members know about this site. >>> > http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html > Dave Croft started it a time back. I feel we need to all update it. > Comments? > >>>> Reg >>> > > You're right, old top. The info appears to be about five years old. > > > Bruce Younger > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > Madison, SD > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have > hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything > else thereafter." > E. Hemingway > > _________________________________________________________________ > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day > trial! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 19:39:01 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:39:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Novo fuel pump Message-ID: Hi All, can someone tell me if a 2hp novo fuel pump will fit on a 1 1/2hp cheers Dave _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Looking for a range of presents to suit every budget? Go to www.tradingpost.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etradingpost%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fdefault%2Easpx%3Freferrer%3Dplace2&_t=758874129&_r=emailtagline_nov&_m=EXT From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Nov 6 19:48:46 2006 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 22:48:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Intro Message-ID: 11/06/2006 Well I guess i've never posted anything about me yet so here it is... My name is Andrew Butler, i'm 26 and i've lived in Southeastern Ohio all my life. My dad had a welding shop when I was growing up and that's where I spent all of my time, pretty much covered in grease most of the time... I have I high school education and i've worked at WHIZ AM & FM as a DJ, WWJM in engineering, and currently work at WCLT FM as a DJ part time, NetPlus Communications internet provider full time as a systems admin and also own a water well drilling company that I started a couple years ago and work part time, and if that isn't enough to keep me busy i've done other misc jobs such as electrical wiring in new buildings, furnace repair, and small welding jobs on the side. I'v always had an interest in engines and machinery. There used to be a steam show local that I had to go to every year until it fell apart. My first old engine was a Model B Briggs someone gave to me when I was about 13 which was missing the head and I still have it in running condition. My first flywheel engine was an International LA engine, and the first hit&miss I got was a Jaeger 2HP. To this date the Jaeger is the only engine that i've completely rebuilt and painted and I still have it. I also have a 5HP Field Burndage, an International 1 1/2 M, Cushman Cub and misc small engines. Now I don't have the time to get to these engines, and my real interest in steam has kinda put those on the back burner for now. I have a small steam traction engine that's about a 1/4 scale, and a Farmall F-20 tractor. Some of my other interests are in small foundry work, 2-way radio communications, refrigeration, and alternative fuels- I converted my truck to run on propane and then setup a refilling station. I have quite a wide range of interests, but I think that's the bulk of it. Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Nov 6 19:47:26 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 22:47:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html Message-ID: <410-22006112734726718@coastalnet.com> He hadn't expired up to several hours ago. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Edward Tabor > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 11/6/2006 10:17:52 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html > > Dave is the guy who had the bicycle accident and head injury some time > back, correct? I've been out of touch, did he survive the ordeal or expire? > > Ed From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Nov 6 20:24:50 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:24:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Update of intro for Reg Ingold Message-ID: <008c01c70225$90015380$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I am 71, lived through the London Blitz in the 2nd world war, always had a leaning towards mechanical things. I did my training as a factory Maintenance fitter and stayed with this trade until I needed more money. Got married to Marg and we had two kids. (Daughter now 45and son,43.) Went to nightschool. got qualifications and got a job as an aircraft test engineer with British Aircraft Corp. A change of Govt in England saw my job going down the tube so we sold up and came to Oz.in 1965. Spent the first 6 years in Tasmania, where I raced speedway sidecars and Motocross. I started work as a fitter in Edgel's food cannery and then started my own business. Auto body repairs, building speedway bikes, machining, anything to make a living. The move to Newcastle. NSW. was taken as there was not much future for the kids in Tas and I had the chance of getting into another business. (Didnt work out but, thats another story!) I then started working on motorcycles full time as they had always been a big love in my life. Took up racing Enduros and had a full life until 1984 when I was involved in a bad accident in the mountains near here. (A head on collision with a kid on an unregistered bike who was racing his mates and looking back to see how far ahead he was!!.) That left me with major damage to my left arm and put me out of the workforce. I started playing with old engines just after this time and have had a lot of enjoyment from the hobby. I was involved with the Hunter Valley engine club for a long time and held a few positions in the club. My interest has drifted away from the full size engines and towards building models of them. I have made around 130 so far. I still have 11 full size engines but they dont get out to shows too often these days. I also have a good collection of hot air stuff and a good workshop to play in. I have been getting over to the USA every few years to visit all the good friends the hobby and the list have given me. On things computer, I am a bit of a dummy and I have to admit that without Ken Christison and Luke Tonneberger skills, I wouldnt have a website. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Nov 6 21:13:30 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:13:30 +0800 Subject: [SEL] The Foundry References: <013001c70168$d61e8760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <009201c70209$2a7bb4e0$3a52bc4c@pengy> Message-ID: <000701c7022b$7a0e5f40$260d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Although I have had no dealings with you Rick I am very sorry that your business has ended this way ,You have my sympathy .Unfortunately we see things like this happening so much more frequently nowdays . I am so glad that I am not in today's workforce! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [SEL] The Foundry > Everyone, > > After a deserved off list ass chewing from a couple of SEL friends I > realized that I must stop procrastinating and get things taken care of. I > shipped out the castings to Nick Lozzi today and have been boxing up other > stuff to go out later in the week to other customers. > > I need to get this chapter of my life over with and get on with the tasks > at hand. I must put my efforts toward restoring the Tod instead of trying > to run a business. I can't do both. So after the loose ends with the > customers are tied up and the furnace sold to satisfy the outstanding > electric bill, I will be finding new homes for the rest of the foundry > equipment. There are a couple more debts to be repaid. > > Rick Rowlands > Youngstown, OH > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Nov 7 02:47:24 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:47:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual Message-ID: <110720061047.25288.4550643C000A77A1000062C8219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Great Jimmy. Sure would like to see some pics of your engine though. Curt > Hi Curt, Thanks very much. The copies arrived over the weekend while we were > at a swap meet. Thanks again. Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:58 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > Jimmy, > Watch post box as just sent your manual, actually made you two one to keep > clean and the other use in the shop if need be. > I do have a large assortment of other engine literature so if there is any > thing else I can help you with just give me a call. > thanks again, > Curt > > > > Hi Curt , Thanks for your time and effort. The funds are in the mailbox. > > Please let me know if it arrives so I know it didn't go to "Mail Heaven." > > Jimmy > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > cgandree at mchsi.com > > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:44 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > > > Jim, > > When you have time send me a check for $10.00 to cover reproduction and > > mailing costs for a copy to me at: > > Curt Andree > > 6419 Basswood Road > > McConnell, Illinois 61050 > > > > > > > Hi Curt,I'd like one.Please send an address so I can pay you. Thanks in > > > advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, 20 Sunnyhill Rd. Novato,Ca. 94945 ,415 892 0236 > > > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > > cgandree at mchsi.com > > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:08 AM > > > To: Old eng list; SEL Lists > > > Subject: [SEL] Temple Pump Engine Manual > > > > > > Yesterday I picked up an orginal manual for a Temple Pump Co. Engine. It > > > > covers basic setup and adjustments for 2 thru 25hp engines. Has some > good > > > diagrams,etc. Be happy to duplicate copies for anyone having such an > > > engine. > > > Please contact me. > > > Curt Andree > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Nov 7 05:27:04 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:27:04 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Intro Message-ID: <000b01c70270$6bb0a580$e5c30b52@no1> I am 65 years old and I live in a small terraced house in Warrington in the North West of England. I have been retired since 1995 after working as a technical officer for British Telecom for 38 years, ajob I loved. I care for my disabled wife Marjorie & as I am starting to suffer from severe arthritis, the bigger engines are getting too much for me now. I now mainly show old bicycles & my collection of hot air engines. I only discovered stationary engines in 1978 when a friend, who knew that I liked to look in scrapyards asked me to look for a Lister "D" for him. At the time I was into electronics & I was looking for electronic parts. In a country scrapyard I found two Lister Junior 3HP engines on cast iron beds coupled to air compressors. They were painted admiralty grey & had only been test run. I asked the price and managed to get them both for 25 UKP. (35US$) They looked fascinating so I sold one and kept the other. I thought I would go to a vintage show & find out if I had bought a collectable engine. I put the engine in the back of my van & on arrival I was surprised to be waved straight in without paying for admission. I found the exhibitors to be very helpful & I was immediately hooked. Many more engines followed & over the years I have owned over 100 engines with the average at one time being about 20. More than 22 years ago I saw an advert in the Stationary Engine magazine for someone to swap engines with a Danish collector. I replied & that is how I met my late good friend Jens Lauritsen. We exchanged over 20 English engines for Danish models & I stayed with Jens to help with his museum a number of times. I still have a number of Danish & Swedish friends so if anyone needs help in that regard, just ask. I now only have 4 engines, all rare Danish models. I sold the majority of my collection as my wife's disabilities got worse & we used the money to have good holidays. I don't regret it as we can't travel now but we still have the memories! The list has revitalised my engine interests & I do what I can to help others. My other interests are Good beer from all over the world & Indian curries! Also family history. (See my Homepage) The latest event in my life was almost 5 years ago now when I was knocked off my bicycle by an 85 year old motorist. I was taken to the local hospital by ambulance & as it was a busy time & I seemed reasonably OK I had to wait to see the doctor. I don't remember any of this but it seems I left the hospital & walked home. (Only about 500 yds) I told Marjorie, my wife that I had suffered a bump & went to bed. The following morning she couldn't wake me and a second ambulance took me back to the hospital as an emergency case. It seems that I had been bleeding all night in 3 places in my brain. I came out of coma after a week & was released after a month in hospital. It would have been longer but as I lived so near they let me out for Christmas. This group had a collection for me and it was very useful as well as the thought of what you had done helped me recover. Now I still have short term memory problems but basically I am OK. I received compensation for the accident & I was able to pass on the majority of your money to another list member who had a similar accident. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 7 06:04:18 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:04:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html Message-ID: <20061107.091128.856.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, I'll submit the following edited text for updating. Later, when I find a decent pic, I'll submit it. Thanks. Joe Betz (Picture) My name is Joe Betz. Some people call me "Pip". That came from when I was a small kid. I'm 62, retired at 56 in January 2001 from the floor covering industry. Installed Carpet, Vinyl Tile, and the like. Comercial jobs only. Me, wife Sylvia, Amy, and Joey, live in a Ryan Homes plan in the town of Library, PA. 10 miles south of Pittsburgh. (The up-d-up's call it South Park.) Very limited (by space) on what I can harbor in the garage. My first introduction to this hobby was with the Tri-State Historical Steam Asso. in Finleyville. Went to a few shows and wanted to get "Hands-On". Me and my boy (Joe Jr.)who is now 25, ended up operating a 1926 Buffalo Springfield, 12 ton steam roller at the Finleyville show for about 3 or 4 years because no one else wanted it. Too much trouble firing it and stearing. Personally, I loved that engine. I always asked, "Where are all the small engines?" (Meaning gas ) Never got a good answer to that one. It seemes there is a discrepency between gas people and steam people. A subject that still remains as clear as mud to me. Almost bought that roller from Willis Able, who owns about 90% of the steam at Tri-State. Decided it wasn't a good move. Bought my first Gas Engine, at an auction, in an effort to be able to attend other shows and be an "exhibitor". Am pretty much limited to small engines. 2 - 3 HP because of the living conditions. Drive a Ford 3/4 ton 4x4 that's '72 vintage that uses more oil than gas. Like to make as many "local" shows as I can. Local, as in 100 miles or less. Have a 2 HP Witte Kero. - 2 HP F&J "N" Dishpan - 2 HP Stover CT-1 - 2.5 HP IDEAL "M" Upright - 2.5 HP Jaeger - Couple of Maytags - Couple of Briggs - A few other things like water pumps - grinders - working head - and the like. Like to collect Kerosene Truck Flares - and anything else that burns Kero. Ride a 1984 Harley Davidson FLH (Last of the shovelhead) that has classic plates because it deserves it. (The only Harley I could ride without a parts truck in tow.) Well - If you've read this far, you got too much time on your hands. Not much else to say. Catch Ya All on the web. Joe B. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 7 07:14:18 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:14:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] eBay Engine - Badly Listed & Very Cheap (220044099305) Message-ID: Hey Folks, Someone might just score a real cheap engine off eBay. See ya, Arnie ================================================================= Don't let it get away! BID NOW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220044099305 ================================================================= Item Name: ONE LUNGER W/ TRAILOR BY ALAMO LUNT MOSS 2 HP ANTIQUE Current price: $124.99 End date: Tuesday, Nov 07, 2006 12:27:36 PST From jtray26 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 7 08:10:09 2006 From: jtray26 at yahoo.com (john ray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:10:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <454FBF4B.8060605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> Hi folks! First, thanks to all of you who have offered to show your collections to a new guy! I'm very excited about the trip to MD to get my first engine, and I'm looking forward to meeting some more engine guys and gals. I'd like to take a minute or two of your time to introduce myself. I grew up in Hendersonville, NC the son of a school teacher and a mechanic. My parents are two of the most kind, patient and caring people on this Earth (I brag on them every chance I get). I went off to college in 1998. I spent four years at UNC-Chapel Hill - quite a change from my quiet mountain upbringing. When I graduated college, I began a short-lived career in promotional advertising and got married to the love of my life. Her name is Elizabeth, and she puts up with my old-iron habits very well (most of the time). After law school I moved my little family back home to the mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. We are expecting our first child in June...A new generation of gear heads! I have had a love affair with antique machinery since I was old enough to walk...I got my first old car at the age of 14. It was a sky blue 1952 Chevrolet sedan - what a TANK! I bought it out of my neighbor's hay barn for $600. I kept the '52 around for a while, then I traded it for a 1941 3/4 ton Chevrolet truck. I loved that old truck, but it proved to be a little bit young for my taste, so I traded it for a 1926 Ford model T coupe. My dad and I drove to Kansas to get the T (a real adventure...I won't bore you with the whole story). We trailered it home and began the assessment process. It was covered in 50 years of barn dust and grime...very exciting! The old thing was totally worn out mechanically, so we had to pull the whole thing down, front to back, and restore EVERYTHING mechanical on the car. The old body is in great shape and it has a lot of "character." I still have the T and it is a blast to tour around in on sunny afternoons. I have also recently acquired a 1928 Chevrolet 1-ton truck complete with its original wooden wagon shop cab. I'm in the process of getting its restoration underway. It'll look great at the shows with the bed full of old engine stuff and refreshments!!! So...That brings me to engines. I went to the antique power show over at the ag center in Asheville a couple of weeks ago...Now I have the antique engine bug (I think it's more like a virus). I met Curt Holland and a lot of other great folks there and had a fantastic time. With some gentle guidance from Curt, I've bought myself an Alamo Blue Line that's in need of some "TLC." I'm looking forward to getting started on my engine and becoming a productive part of the hobby. Every engine seem to be different - a new adventure in every one. Thanks again! I look forward to getting to know you folks on the SEL, and seeing a lot of you at some shows next season (hopefully with my Alamo ticking along somewhere nearby). Sincerely, Tyler Ray PS: I'm probably going to have MANY questions...some of which will be VERY ignorant. Please forgive me in advance :) Curt wrote: John, I know it was on eBay and the auction was over Sunday evening. Sounds like it is the same one. The lucky bidder, Tyler Ray, tells me he is subscribed to the SEL now, and perhaps this is a good time for him to pipe up and tell us a little something about himself. I met him at the Arden show two weekends ago and he's a good fellow. They stopped by our house last evening for a nice visit. Of course we stumbled thru the very dark yard and over to the engine shed to run a few engines by flashlight. Ahh life is good. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. I cc:d this over to the SEL since I don't think Tyler is on oldengine.org yet. Tyler, if you reply, please "reply all" and your post will go to both lists. John Cullom wrote: > Hi Curt, > Is it the Alamo that Ira Barnes had on Ebay? If so, it's not far > from me at all. You all are welcome to stop by here & see my meager > collection. > John > Westminster, Md. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > >> May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby >> to the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and >> is in Maryland. > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 7 09:12:57 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:12:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> References: <454FBF4B.8060605@imc-group.com> <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061107115300.03f485b0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tyler, Welcome aboard! Hold on to your ass, for the ride can be rough at times, but there is always someone ready to help and give advice. Be aware, however, free advice is worth what you pay for it! You come to the List at a good time. You see, we allow ONLY two lawyers on the List at any given time. Until several weeks ago we were at our limit in that category. Fortunately for you in late October one of the lawyers on the List suddenly turned room temperature. It seems that another List member (who sometimes goes by the name Maytag Twin) found this lawyer with Twin's young wife and took matters into his own hands--so to speak. Twin is (I believe) still on the List and the prosecutor in Twin's county is hesitant to bring forth charges saying "It's about time that someone gave that scum lawyer what he has deserved for years!" You have nothing to fear from Twin, however. He is a mild mannered individual who loves children, kittens and his (much) younger wife. While it's true that Twin road the "little bus" when he was in school, this is the first time that he has shown any sort of violent behavior toward any member of the List! I'm sure that if he does not find out how it is that you earn your living you will be perfectly safe! Again welcome to the List. We are all just one big happy family here and take great pleasure in helping each other out. Dave At 11:10 AM 11/7/2006, you wrote: >Hi folks! > > First, thanks to all of you who have offered to show your collections > to a new guy! I'm very excited about the trip to MD to get my first > engine, and I'm looking forward to meeting some more engine guys and gals. > >After law school I moved my little family back home to the mountains. I'm >now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet behind the ears) in >Hendersonville, NC. > Sincerely, > Tyler Ray From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Tue Nov 7 09:39:35 2006 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (James Hardman) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:39:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Introduction References: <000b01c70270$6bb0a580$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <000301c70293$b1f88210$5218e844@Desktop> I have been a member of this list for some weeks now, and shamefully have not said hello. I am Jim Hardman of Dorset, Vermont, and know some of the list members through long attendance at the Rough & Tumble and Coolspring shows. Now 71, I continue to collect early spark plugs (this has been a 47 year hobby) and truly enjoy restoring early engines. My wife Pat and I are retired, I remain an engineer at heart, a former formulator of epoxy and urethane adhesives. Our engine collection is modest, about 5 smaller engines, a lot easier to handle than the big fellows. My favorite is a 2 HP Goold, Shapley & Muir (the "Canadian White & Middleton"), but the best runners are a 1-1/2 HP Lauson-Lawton and a 1 HP Domestic, a "Stovepipe". We just finished the restoration of a 2 HP Bullseye. In many ways, this is a family hobby, a sharing of common interests. I am blessed to have a son, Tom, who has several engines in Ohio and a son Jim, who has always enjoyed attending these shows. Prior to the new administration at Rough & Tumble prohibiting cars in the exhibit areas, the entire family including 6 grand children would gather for a week of fun in Kinzers each August. In fact, two of our grand children tell us that our week there in Pennsylvania Dutch country was the highlight of their social year. Engine shows are wonderful family events! I enjoy machine work. When we relocated to Vermont 15 years ago, we connected the old 2-car garage to the main house, framed in one of the doors, added paneling, windows and heat, and converted it to a "dream" home shop. We even carpeted the floor for added warmth, although lathe swarf is a pain to vacuum up. Equipment is pretty basic, a 13 in. South Bend Lathe, a Clausing Mill and an old B&S surface grinder. But with these tools I have built (and rebuilt) several model gas and steam engines as well as replicated many parts for restoration projects. Thanks for the warmth and obvious friendships available on this list. Dorset is somewhat remote (we live in rural farm country) and winters tend to be long. This computer is truly a window to the world and the ability to process digital images makes it all but indispensable. Thanks to all who have posted personal pictures! Warm Regards to all... Jim From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 7 09:54:43 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:54:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4550C863.1050403@imc-group.com> Tyler, Welcome to the SEL! You'll find the legal guys are well respected on this list....say hi Tommy Turner. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC john ray wrote: >After law school I moved my little family back home to the mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 7 10:50:40 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:50:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro Message-ID: <20061107.135254.624.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tyler, Nice to have you aboard. Very nice intro also. I'm sure you'll enjoy the SEL. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 7 10:52:46 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:52:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Introduction Message-ID: <20061107.135254.624.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jim, Welcome to the SEL. I'm looking forward to seeing you at Coolspring, PA. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 7 11:08:04 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:08:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <4550C863.1050403@imc-group.com> References: <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> <4550C863.1050403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4550D994.8050902@scrtc.com> Curt, Yup, I'm glad the SEL is open to all! (you may have overdone it on the "Respected" part though). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Curt wrote: > Tyler, > Welcome to the SEL! You'll find the legal guys are well respected on > this list....say hi Tommy Turner. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > john ray wrote: > >> After law school I moved my little family back home to the >> mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet >> behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From jtray26 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 7 13:01:15 2006 From: jtray26 at yahoo.com (john ray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:01:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <4550D994.8050902@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20061107210115.69332.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Thanks for the warm welcome! Just remember, if it weren't for lawyers, there wouldn't be any lawyer jokes...I'm trying to figure out a way to incorporate a shop into the back of the office. The conference room has potential :-)...If only the Senior Partner would see it my way (for a change). Tyler Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Curt, Yup, I'm glad the SEL is open to all! (you may have overdone it on the "Respected" part though). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Curt wrote: > Tyler, > Welcome to the SEL! You'll find the legal guys are well respected on > this list....say hi Tommy Turner. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > john ray wrote: > >> After law school I moved my little family back home to the >> mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet >> behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Get a free Motorola Razr! Today Only! Choose Cingular, Sprint, Verizon, Alltel, or T-Mobile. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 7 13:13:37 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:13:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <20061107210115.69332.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061107210115.69332.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4550F701.6020408@scrtc.com> Tyler, I put a Model T together in my back office once (right behind the courtroom). I really liked it there. Some others didn't. Actually I bought a bunch of T stuff on ebay, wheels, hood, fenders, brass radiator, etc. When I set it out in the floor and moved my chairs in between the front and rear wheels, it did look like a T in the office. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY john ray wrote: >Hi all, > > Thanks for the warm welcome! Just remember, if it weren't for lawyers, there wouldn't be any lawyer jokes...I'm trying to figure out a way to incorporate a shop into the back of the office. The conference room has potential :-)...If only the Senior Partner would see it my way (for a change). > > Tyler > >Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Curt, >Yup, I'm glad the SEL is open to all! (you may have overdone it on >the "Respected" part though). > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Curt wrote: > > > >>Tyler, >>Welcome to the SEL! You'll find the legal guys are well respected on >>this list....say hi Tommy Turner. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >> >>john ray wrote: >> >> >> >>>After law school I moved my little family back home to the >>>mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet >>>behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >--------------------------------- >Sponsored Link > >Get a free Motorola Razr! Today Only! Choose Cingular, Sprint, Verizon, Alltel, or T-Mobile. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From jtray26 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 7 13:53:52 2006 From: jtray26 at yahoo.com (john ray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:53:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <4550F701.6020408@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20061107215352.87600.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> Judge Turner, I like the way you think...Maybe we should start a new line of "designer" office furniture. I've got some old rusty parts left over to get us started...When my T project was in full swing I had parts in the den, living room, garage, carport, barn loft, and in Dad's rental house (it was vacant and, consequently, fair game). I envision a large live-in shop with a small house attached in my future...My spouse may have other ideas??? :-) Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Tyler, I put a Model T together in my back office once (right behind the courtroom). I really liked it there. Some others didn't. Actually I bought a bunch of T stuff on ebay, wheels, hood, fenders, brass radiator, etc. When I set it out in the floor and moved my chairs in between the front and rear wheels, it did look like a T in the office. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY john ray wrote: >Hi all, > > Thanks for the warm welcome! Just remember, if it weren't for lawyers, there wouldn't be any lawyer jokes...I'm trying to figure out a way to incorporate a shop into the back of the office. The conference room has potential :-)...If only the Senior Partner would see it my way (for a change). > > Tyler > >Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Curt, >Yup, I'm glad the SEL is open to all! (you may have overdone it on >the "Respected" part though). > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Curt wrote: > > > >>Tyler, >>Welcome to the SEL! You'll find the legal guys are well respected on >>this list....say hi Tommy Turner. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >> >>john ray wrote: >> >> >> >>>After law school I moved my little family back home to the >>>mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet >>>behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >--------------------------------- >Sponsored Link > >Get a free Motorola Razr! Today Only! Choose Cingular, Sprint, Verizon, Alltel, or T-Mobile. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Nov 7 14:57:10 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 06:57:10 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro References: <20061107161010.20173.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c702c0$120062a0$02422ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Nice to hear about you Tyler.........lawyers I can tolerate ,politicians no ,known some absolute bastard ones in my time. Fortunately I am sure there are none on this list ,Politicians that is ,don't know about bastards! ----- Original Message ----- From: "john ray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro > Hi folks! > > First, thanks to all of you who have offered to show your collections to > a new guy! I'm very excited about the trip to MD to get my first engine, > and I'm looking forward to meeting some more engine guys and gals. > > I'd like to take a minute or two of your time to introduce myself. I > grew up in Hendersonville, NC the son of a school teacher and a mechanic. > My parents are two of the most kind, patient and caring people on this > Earth (I brag on them every chance I get). I went off to college in 1998. > I spent four years at UNC-Chapel Hill - quite a change from my quiet > mountain upbringing. When I graduated college, I began a short-lived > career in promotional advertising and got married to the love of my life. > Her name is Elizabeth, and she puts up with my old-iron habits very well > (most of the time). After law school I moved my little family back home > to the mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet > behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. We are expecting our first child > in June...A new generation of gear heads! > > I have had a love affair with antique machinery since I was old enough to > walk...I got my first old car at the age of 14. It was a sky blue 1952 > Chevrolet sedan - what a TANK! I bought it out of my neighbor's hay barn > for $600. I kept the '52 around for a while, then I traded it for a 1941 > 3/4 ton Chevrolet truck. I loved that old truck, but it proved to be a > little bit young for my taste, so I traded it for a 1926 Ford model T > coupe. My dad and I drove to Kansas to get the T (a real adventure...I > won't bore you with the whole story). We trailered it home and began the > assessment process. It was covered in 50 years of barn dust and > grime...very exciting! The old thing was totally worn out mechanically, > so we had to pull the whole thing down, front to back, and restore > EVERYTHING mechanical on the car. The old body is in great shape and it > has a lot of "character." I still have the T and it is a blast to tour > around in on sunny afternoons. I have also recently > acquired a 1928 Chevrolet 1-ton truck complete with its original wooden > wagon shop cab. I'm in the process of getting its restoration underway. > It'll look great at the shows with the bed full of old engine stuff and > refreshments!!! > > So...That brings me to engines. I went to the antique power show over at > the ag center in Asheville a couple of weeks ago...Now I have the antique > engine bug (I think it's more like a virus). I met Curt Holland and a lot > of other great folks there and had a fantastic time. With some gentle > guidance from Curt, I've bought myself an Alamo Blue Line that's in need > of some "TLC." I'm looking forward to getting started on my engine and > becoming a productive part of the hobby. Every engine seem to be > different - a new adventure in every one. > > Thanks again! I look forward to getting to know you folks on the SEL, > and seeing a lot of you at some shows next season (hopefully with my Alamo > ticking along somewhere nearby). > > Sincerely, > Tyler Ray > > PS: I'm probably going to have MANY questions...some of which will be > VERY ignorant. Please forgive me in advance :) > > Curt wrote: > John, > I know it was on eBay and the auction was over Sunday evening. Sounds > like it is the same one. The lucky bidder, Tyler Ray, tells me he is > subscribed to the SEL now, and perhaps this is a good time for him to > pipe up and tell us a little something about himself. I met him at the > Arden show two weekends ago and he's a good fellow. They stopped by our > house last evening for a nice visit. Of course we stumbled thru the very > dark yard and over to the engine shed to run a few engines by > flashlight. Ahh life is good. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. I cc:d this over to the SEL since I don't think Tyler is on > oldengine.org yet. Tyler, if you reply, please "reply all" and your post > will go to both lists. > > > John Cullom wrote: > >> Hi Curt, >> Is it the Alamo that Ira Barnes had on Ebay? If so, it's not far >> from me at all. You all are welcome to stop by here & see my meager >> collection. >> John >> Westminster, Md. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >> >>> May be making a road trip sometime in the next few weeks with a newby >>> to the hobby to pick up his first engine. The engine is an Alamo and >>> is in Maryland. >> >> >> >> >> To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >> with: >> unsubscribe >> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate > new house payment > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Nov 7 14:43:04 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:43:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro References: <20061107215352.87600.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e301c702bf$e23260f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Jeez! Some folk just like living in the 'domestic danger zone' VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "john ray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro > Judge Turner, > > I like the way you think...Maybe we should start a new line of "designer" > office furniture. I've got some old rusty parts left over to get us > started...When my T project was in full swing I had parts in the den, > living room, garage, carport, barn loft, and in Dad's rental house (it was > vacant and, consequently, fair game). I envision a large live-in shop > with a small house attached in my future...My spouse may have other > ideas??? :-) > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Tyler, > I put a Model T together in my back office once (right behind the > courtroom). I really liked it there. Some others didn't. Actually I > bought a bunch of T stuff on ebay, wheels, hood, fenders, brass > radiator, etc. When I set it out in the floor and moved my chairs in > between the front and rear wheels, it did look like a T in the office. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > john ray wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >> Thanks for the warm welcome! Just remember, if it weren't for lawyers, >> there wouldn't be any lawyer jokes...I'm trying to figure out a way to >> incorporate a shop into the back of the office. The conference room has >> potential :-)...If only the Senior Partner would see it my way (for a >> change). >> >> Tyler >> >>Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Curt, >>Yup, I'm glad the SEL is open to all! (you may have overdone it on >>the "Respected" part though). >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>Curt wrote: >> >> >> >>>Tyler, >>>Welcome to the SEL! You'll find the legal guys are well respected on >>>this list....say hi Tommy Turner. >>>Curt Holland >>>Gastonia, NC >>> >>> >>>john ray wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>After law school I moved my little family back home to the >>>>mountains. I'm now a 26-year-old attorney (yep, still VERY wet >>>>behind the ears) in Hendersonville, NC. >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Sponsored Link >> >>Get a free Motorola Razr! Today Only! Choose Cingular, Sprint, Verizon, >>Alltel, or T-Mobile. >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 7 17:25:33 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:25:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More Stover Rebuild Pictures Message-ID: <009a01c702d4$c9a42a90$240110ac@FAMILY> For you folks that are following along with me on my rebuild of my 1905 Vertical Stover I have added more pictures to the album if you want to take a look. I am looking for any and all suggestions and advice in regards to this rebuild so send them to me, it doesn't make any difference if it is criticism, I will take them all in the spirit of which they are given. http://community.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=554884600&key=StYIhb Thanks, Paul From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Tue Nov 7 17:37:27 2006 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:37:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html In-Reply-To: <410-22006112734726718@coastalnet.com> References: <410-22006112734726718@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <455134D7.9020306@zoominternet.net> Good, glad to hear it. Ed Ken Christison wrote: >He hadn't expired up to several hours ago. > >Ken > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Edward Tabor >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Date: 11/6/2006 10:17:52 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html >> >>Dave is the guy who had the bicycle accident and head injury some time >>back, correct? I've been out of touch, did he survive the ordeal or >> >> >expire? > > >>Ed >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From wilson at stny.rr.com Tue Nov 7 18:24:50 2006 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:24:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] eBay Engine - Badly Listed & Very Cheap (220044099305) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doesn't that mount look a little whimpy (but pretty) ? Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:14 AM To: Stationary Engine List; Old Engine Subject: [SEL] eBay Engine - Badly Listed & Very Cheap (220044099305) Hey Folks, Someone might just score a real cheap engine off eBay. See ya, Arnie ================================================================= Don't let it get away! BID NOW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220044099305 ================================================================= Item Name: ONE LUNGER W/ TRAILOR BY ALAMO LUNT MOSS 2 HP ANTIQUE Current price: $124.99 End date: Tuesday, Nov 07, 2006 12:27:36 PST _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From asouth42 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 7 18:34:18 2006 From: asouth42 at earthlink.net (Arthur & Deana Southwell) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:34:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Intro Arthur Southwell Message-ID: <01cf01c702de$64848470$6501a8c0@LapTop> 11-7-06 Arthur Southwell here, I started at the tender age of two working on machinery. I used the little tool kit SINGER supplied with their sewing machines to disassemble mother's old treadle sewing machine. This country was, like the rest of the world, involved in WW II and no spare parts were to be had. The "Singer Repairman" couldn't put the machine back into working order. Needless to say, my bottom got tore up next. But, I'm making progress, today I can usually "fix" what I disassemble. I left high school behind in June 1959, enlisted in the Air Force in Aug. 1959 and graduated from Jet Acft. Mechanic's school in Feb. 1960. Passed the GED in Apr. 1960. I returned to my home town, Arcadia Florida, in 1963 and went to work at the John Deere Dealership in Zolfo Springs Florida. I worked there several years and then a couple of other places a few years. In 1966 I jumped into self employment for six years. In 1972 my G.I. Bill was going to run out in 18 months, so I packed it in and entered Mid Florida Tech to study for my aircraft and power plant mechanic's license. A short time before I had applied for and received a Vocational Teaching Certificate. I landed a night job teaching Auto Mechanic's class at Mid Fla. Tech. making me a student by day and a teacher at night. In 1973 I took a full time teaching job at our local high school. I put in six years teaching Small Engines and Automotive Mechanic's classes. The politics got to be more than I wanted to put up with, so I went back to full time self employment in the summer of 1980. Deana and I have been married 32 years. I have three children from my first marriage. Six grand children and two great grand children. I was born in Arcadia, been here all but the years of enlistment, and can't wait to sell out and leave for greener pastures. NO RUST POLICE in Alabama off side the city limits! I'm currently a ASE certified Master Mechanic, also an FAA certificated aircraft & power plant mechanic. I'm a private pilot, single engine land & glider. Come Jan. 2007, I'll be sixty five,and looking forward to sixty six. You young guys keep working and paying into S.S. so I can stay semi-retired. I have been collecting, restoring, and showing Flywheel engines since 1968. I was a member of the FLORIDA FLYWHEELERS ANTIQUE ENGINE CLUB ( http://www.old-engine.com/flywheel.htm ) from about 1984 until 2003. They have a nice show grounds East of Ft. Meade FL. I collect a lot of different types of old things. Tractors, engines, implements, machinery, and such. Some of the items I have are: B&S engines, models A, B, WI, N, 5S, 6S, 9, 14, 23 AFB. Delco light 32V (2) 850s, and a Delco 12V. IHC engines, LBB 3-5 HP, UD6, UD14, U2A coupled to an antique FBM 4X4 pump. Hercules HP 1 ? S. Olds air-cooled, approx. 5 HP (no name plate). An Associated 4 Mule team (4 HP). Tractors: 1953 JD 40S. 1963 Case 734 Diesel. 1958 JD 60. 1962? Case 444 (Pound Grove Tractor-LPG). IHC-McCormick Super A. 1937 Case 'C'. 1930 Ford Mod. A, tractor conversion, a work in progress I have lots of other engines and things but it would take to long to name them. BTW, for Dave's benefit, I have several MAYTAGS! I have two disassembled Cessna 172s. 1958 & 1960-B. I have high hopes of getting the 172B flying in the next year. I'm an automotive component Rebuilder/Remanufacturer. I rebuild starters, alternators, generators and other DC electrical items as well as custom work on clutches, brake shoes, carburetors, and water pumps. This may be more than you care to know, but ................. Regards, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at earthlink.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From gibsongus at myway.com Tue Nov 7 21:47:57 2006 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:47:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Update of intro for Reg Ingold Message-ID: <20061108054757.55C3C99E0E@mprdmxin.myway.com> Reg do you have that Easy washmachine engine on Marg,s washmachine yet???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Mon 11/06, R & M Ingold < randmingold at hotkey.net.au > wrote: From: R & M Ingold [mailto: randmingold at hotkey.net.au]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:24:50 +1100Subject: [SEL] Update of intro for Reg IngoldI am 71, lived through the London Blitz in the 2nd world war, always had aleaning towards mechanical things.I did my training as a factory Maintenance fitter and stayed with this tradeuntil I needed more money. Got married to Marg and we had two kids. (Daughter now 45and son,43.) Went to nightschool. got qualifications and got a job as anaircraft test engineer with British Aircraft Corp. A change of Govt in England saw my jobgoing down the tube so we sold up and came to Oz.in 1965. Spent the first 6years in Tasmania, where I raced speedway sidecars and Motocross. I started work as a fitter in Edgel's food cannery and then started my own business. Auto body repairs, building speedway bikes, machining, anything to make a living.The move to Newcastle. NSW. was taken as there was not much future for thekids in Tas and I had the chance of getting into another business. (Didntwork out but, thats another story!)I then started working on motorcycles full time as they had always been a biglove in my life. Took up racing Enduros and had a full life until 1984 whenI was involved in a bad accident in the mountains near here. (A head on collisionwith a kid on an unregistered bike who was racing his mates and looking backto see how far ahead he was!!.) That left me with major damage to my left armand put me out of the workforce.I started playing with old engines just after this time and have had a lotof enjoyment from the hobby. I was involved with the Hunter Valleyengine club for a long time and held a few positions in the club.My interest has drifted away from the full size engines and towards buildingmodels of them. I have made around 130 so far. I still have 11 fullsize engines but they dont get out to shows too often these days. I also have agood collection of hot air stuff and a good workshop to play in. I have beengetting over to the USA every few years to visit all the good friends thehobby and the list have given me.On things computer, I am a bit of a dummy and I have to admit that withoutKen Christison and Luke Tonneberger skills, I wouldnt have a website.Reg & Marg Ingold.Newcastle, NSW, Australia.randmingold at hotkey.net.auhttp://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Nov 7 22:01:56 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:01:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Intro In-Reply-To: <410-22006112734726718@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <200611080602.kA862Bhm038454@mail-gw.fsr.net> Here is my updated biographical sketch from five years ago. Orrin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cathy and I live on a six acre patch of steep hillside in southeast Washington State. Our place sits near the bottom of the deep Wawawai Canyon that branches off the Snake River Canyon, about 120 miles downstream from the mile-deep Hells Canyon. It's comfortable down here in the winter-sometimes by as much as 20? F warmer than the farmland, above; but, we pay for it in the summer when temperatures frequently hover in the mid nineties. However, with negligible humidity and cool nights, we find it very tolerable. We're surrounded by game: every day we see deer browsing on the far side of the canyon and every night we listen to the coyotes yip, howl, and serenade. Cathy, my first wife of 43 years, stayed home to raise our two sons. They're now grown, so she went to work in the business office of Northwest Public Radio at Washington State University. Cathy wants to build up her own Social Security and private retirement funds. I retired ten years ago and am now a healthy 67. I'm living the best, happiest, years of my life. We have two sons: Wade teaches sixth grade and is married; Tad is a journeyman electrical lineman and remains single. Many of you will recall that early in his apprenticeship he was seriously burned when he contacted a 7,200-volt power line. Although some important muscles in one arm were destroyed, he can put out as much or more work as anyone in the trade. We probably have too many hobbies to give proper attention to any one of them. Cathy gets her kicks by showing her restored Model A Fords. Being her chief mechanic, I don't get to spend much time with my 1929 Model A Ford roadster or 1929 tudor. You're welcome to take a look at them on our Web site: http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm My family got our start in Model A's when we drove them to grade school back in South Dakota. That's right. The state didn't license drivers back then and if you could reach the clutch pedal you could drive. Every day there would be two or three Model A's and an old Chrysler with wood spoked wheels parked out in the playground; not a one of them belonged to the teacher. While growing up on the farm, the wind pumped the water for our livestock; but, sometimes in the heat of summer it didn't blow and we'd have to start up our old "one lung" engine to do the job. Nobody had electricity back then, so just about every farm had an engine or two. I never owned one of my own, so about retirement time I decided to get a hit 'n' miss. It didn't stop at one. The things have a way of multiplying. We cannot afford "exotics" so we remain content with a mix of IHC "M's," one lone Mogul, J-Ds, F-Ms, Herc-builts, etc. The easy part of the hobby is buying. The hard part is finding time to do proper restorations. If I could do one a year I'd have enough raw material to last the rest of my life. My favorites are an all-original Model D Kohler light plant (thank you for the manual, Dave R.) and an 8-h.p. Waterloo. The Kohler is a great attention-getter. The Waterloo traces its heritage to my home town of Canton, South Dakota. There, Jeff Knowlton invented the concept of the hopper-cooled engine and started manufacturing them under his name. In a deal worked out with Waterloo, Knowlton gave the company permission to use his design. They did so without changing much of anything. The only difference between my Waterloo is its (cheaper) J-shaped cast-iron mixer as opposed to the more expensive Lunkenheimers that came on the Knowltons. A couple of years ago I got a pleasant surprise. The owner of a Knowlton who is a local history buff got in touch with me and offered to sell me his engine. I let him name his price and I gladly paid it. As part of the deal he let me duplicate his photograph of the factory when it was in operation, the only such print known to exist. It is my wish that both the photograph and the engine will eventually take up permanent residence in the Canton museum. Cathy's favorite engine is her 2 h.p. Jaeger. She's proud of being able to service it and start it all on her own. We'll forever be indebted to Steve Barr and Mark Shulaw for generously hauling it halfway across the US for us. There's no folks finer than engine folks and Mark and Steve are the best of the best. You can see it in its barn-fresh condition on Keith Kinney's Hercules Web site, http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/painting.html. Look for "Here are some pictures of a 2HP Jaeger engine that was listed on eBay." Now cleaned up and mounted on a cart, it's more photogenic. Another of my budding hobbies is home shop machining. I now have machined a number of hot air engines that I show from time to time. Last winter I built a half-sized Moriya Stirling engine powered fan of James Senft's design It pairs up with a double-scale version I built a number of years ago. I'm still hoping to build a copy of one of Reg Ingold's Stirlings. Reg generously gave me all the necessary drawings and dimensions. You can see a sampling of my projects and engines, here: http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/PnE_Menu.htm I'm a past president of the Lewis-Clark Antique Power Club and have been on the board of directors for five years. I've also been the newsletter editor for more years than I can count. Here is a sampling of my work background: * Seven years as a nuclear power plant Machinist Mate in US Navy submarines, including three years as instructor at the prototype reactor for the aircraft carrier Enterprise's power plant. The reactor from my sub, the Abraham Lincoln, SSB(N) 602, is now buried near here at the Hanford nuclear reservation. * A stint as a reactor operator and experiment operator at the 250 MW Advanced Test Reactor; the world's largest test reactor, at the time. It was a real "gee whiz" experience. * Reactor operator and fuel handler at EBR-II, an experimental liquid sodium cooled fast breeder reactor--more wow and gee whiz. * Three years as a hydroelectric power plant operator at the historic Fort Peck Dam in NE Montana. At one time this was the world's largest earthen dam: it's about four miles long and a mile thick at the base. Its 1930s vintage machinery at the tunnel works fascinated me. It included an antique Enterprise diesel-powered emergency generator. * Twenty years as a hydroelectric power plant and navigation lock operator at Lower Granite Dam on the Snake River. Total capacity: 932 megaWatts. We've not made any pilgrimages further east than Rollag, LeSeuer or Lake Itasca, but that will change when Cathy retires in another 18 months. Then, we some day hope to meet all you good people back at Portland, Coolsprings and places in between. Perhaps all of us could make a special effort to show up at a 15th anniversary reunion of this list. It's a good life. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Nov 7 22:53:07 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:53:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine Letterbox and Yard Display References: <004c01c7006d$a5823e40$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <00e001c70302$8caa08c0$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Glad the Engine letterbox theme came up as it gave me an excuse to photograph three that are within a couple of kilometres from where I live. Hope they come though OK. The engines are: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2470528460053851130QGHqvb http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2261791580053851130CHSFAN http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2277173870053851130aOAxfw And the front garded display is: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2456649540053851130SvuHer Ron Canberra From segray at bigvalley.net Tue Nov 7 23:55:03 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:55:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Milker Message-ID: <45518D57.7060009@bigvalley.net> Hi All - A friend at the Tulare swap meet last weekend asked me if I could go through an engine he recently acquired to get it running. This is a Sandwich that I'm not familiar with. Anybody else ever see one of these? It's sure not common out here on the left coast! At first glance, it looks like a Novo,but has the vacuum pump built into the block. http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker1.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker2.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker3.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker4.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker5.jpg -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 8 00:49:21 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:49:21 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Milker References: <45518D57.7060009@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: <001f01c70312$c9f79890$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: [SEL] Milker > Hi All - > A friend at the Tulare swap meet last weekend asked me if I could go > through an engine he recently acquired to get it running. This is a > Sandwich that I'm not familiar with. Anybody else ever see one of these? > It's sure not common out here on the left coast! At first glance, it > looks like a Novo,but has the vacuum pump built into the block. > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker1.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker2.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker3.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker4.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker5.jpg > Steve Gray Hi Steve, see the below, http://surgemilker.com/ http://smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?p=151664 Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Nov 8 01:06:26 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:06:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Update of intro for Reg Ingold References: <20061108054757.55C3C99E0E@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <00fe01c70315$2d878080$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hi Gus. It is still at Rob's, waiting for it to be boxed with Peter Lowe's R&V. It will get here one day! No rush. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:47 PM > Reg do you have that Easy washmachine engine on Marg,s washmachine > yet???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 8 04:31:34 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 06:31:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Letterbox and Yard Display References: <004c01c7006d$a5823e40$240110ac@FAMILY> <00e001c70302$8caa08c0$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <002401c70331$d4925870$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Ron for the great pictures. I had began to think I was not going to get anymore as incoming pictures had really slowed down. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Letterbox and Yard Display > Glad the Engine letterbox theme came up as it gave me an excuse to > photograph three that are within a couple of kilometres from where I live. > Hope they come though OK. The engines are: > > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2470528460053851130QGHqvb > > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2261791580053851130CHSFAN > > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2277173870053851130aOAxfw > > And the front garded display is: > > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2456649540053851130SvuHer > > Ron > Canberra > > _______________________________________________ From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Wed Nov 8 05:09:19 2006 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:09:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Milker References: <45518D57.7060009@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: <001801c70337$1a133720$6400a8c0@stojanov> Hi Steve, I beleive a friend of mine owns one of those engines. It is known as a "Pine Tree Milker." Other than that I don't know much about them. I would figure they are somewhat uncommon. Hope this helps. See ya. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:55 AM Subject: [SEL] Milker > Hi All - > > A friend at the Tulare swap meet last weekend asked me if I could go > through an engine he recently acquired to get it running. This is a > Sandwich that I'm not familiar with. Anybody else ever see one of these? > It's sure not common out here on the left coast! At first glance, it > looks like a Novo,but has the vacuum pump built into the block. > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker1.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker2.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker3.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker4.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker5.jpg > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 8 05:33:49 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 08:33:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Update of intro for Reg Ingold In-Reply-To: <00fe01c70315$2d878080$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20061108054757.55C3C99E0E@mprdmxin.myway.com> <00fe01c70315$2d878080$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061108083312.03f7ab28@mail.alltel.net> At 04:06 AM 11/8/2006, you wrote: >Hi Gus. It is still at Rob's, waiting for it to be boxed with Peter Lowe's >R&V. >It will get here one day! No rush. >Reg & Marg Ingold. Hell Reg, I got my engine home. What's taking you so long? Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Nov 8 12:28:01 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 07:28:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Update of intro for Reg Ingold References: <20061108054757.55C3C99E0E@mprdmxin.myway.com><00fe01c70315$2d878080$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6.1.2.0.0.20061108083312.03f7ab28@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003701c70374$655a12c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I can't drive under water! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > Hell Reg, I got my engine home. What's taking you so long? Dave From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 8 12:56:13 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:56:13 -0000 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. Message-ID: <000701c70378$54bc3d90$e5c30b52@no1> I was just looking though some old magazines & in a 1925 copy of "The Mechanical Boy" they have printed a 1916 tale of a day in the life of the Admiralty's engine room somewhere in Scotland. I have printed it at http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2408324530028520097bGQwLN I hope you enjoy it. (It can be enlarged on webshots) Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Nov 8 15:36:00 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:36:00 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro Message-ID: <308.70cf415e.3283c3e0@aol.com> In a message dated 11/7/2006 12:36:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << You have nothing to fear from Twin, however. He is a mild mannered individual who loves children, kittens and his (much) younger wife >> Tyler, Dave conveniently forgot to tell you that "Twin" , however mild mannerly he may be, has a dog with titanium teeth well known for his ferocity. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 8 16:37:31 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:37:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More Mailbox & Yard Pictures Message-ID: <014e01c70397$3e591900$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Gang Bill Rupka send in these (3) pictures that he took at his good friend, Marvin Browns home. He sent the following descriptive information on the pictures: Mailbox is Novo model S, Air compressor is Canadian Rand (60 inch flywheels to give an idea of scale) Pump jack is a Beatty with a 3hp International M. Bill also commented that he is really enjoying this thread. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BillRupkaMailbox1.jpg http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BillRupkaYardDisplay1.jpg http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BillRupkaYardDisplay2.jpg Everyone keep beating the bush and ferret out these mailboxes and yard displays and send them in. Paul From curt at imc-group.com Wed Nov 8 16:42:25 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:42:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <308.70cf415e.3283c3e0@aol.com> References: <308.70cf415e.3283c3e0@aol.com> Message-ID: <45527971.9010304@imc-group.com> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >a dog with titanium teeth well known for his ferocity. > > > Hmm Tom, that sound a lot like Dave..... :-) Curt From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 8 17:14:48 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:14:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <308.70cf415e.3283c3e0@aol.com> References: <308.70cf415e.3283c3e0@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061108200453.041063c8@mail.alltel.net> >Tyler, >Dave conveniently forgot to tell you that "Twin" , however mild mannerly he >may be, has a dog with titanium teeth well known for his ferocity. >Tom Schmutz Oh Tom, These are details that Tyler need not know at this point in his time on the List. Twin's "little puppy" has never been known to attack a lawyer! Twin has trained Killer to ONLY go after nuclear engineers--and them ONLY in their tender parts! Next you will be telling Tyler about Little Lisa and how she misses Daddy Ron. Ever since Little Lisa ran off with that man in the brown truck neither Twin nor his (MUCH younger) wife have been the same. So please don't mention Little Lisa on List. Neither Twin (nor his MUCH younger wife) could take it! Dave PS, I've heard from Little Lisa and she may be at Portland this year! From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 8 17:40:44 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:40:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. In-Reply-To: <000701c70378$54bc3d90$e5c30b52@no1> References: <000701c70378$54bc3d90$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061108204012.0402f3d0@mail.alltel.net> Thanks Dave--MOST enjoyable! Dave At 03:56 PM 11/8/2006, you wrote: >I was just looking though some old magazines & in a 1925 copy >of "The Mechanical Boy" they have printed a 1916 tale of a day in >the life of the Admiralty's engine room somewhere in Scotland. >I have printed it at >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2408324530028520097bGQwLN >I hope you enjoy it. (It can be enlarged on webshots) >Dave Croft From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Nov 8 19:50:48 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:50:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Milker Message-ID: <410-2200611493504893@earthlink.net> I used to have one, didn't really care much for it though. They are a pain to get unstuck, the head bolts are usually rusted real bad and there is no other way to get that sucker apart (if the piston is up near the top) then to drive the piston down. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Steve Gray > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 11/8/2006 2:06:03 AM > Subject: [SEL] Milker > > Hi All - > > A friend at the Tulare swap meet last weekend asked me if I could go > through an engine he recently acquired to get it running. This is a > Sandwich that I'm not familiar with. Anybody else ever see one of these? > It's sure not common out here on the left coast! At first glance, it > looks like a Novo,but has the vacuum pump built into the block. > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker1.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker2.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker3.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker4.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker5.jpg > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 From segray at bigvalley.net Wed Nov 8 22:22:46 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:22:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: <410-2200611493504893@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200611493504893@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4552C936.7040600@bigvalley.net> Hi Tim - Luckily, this one does turn over, albeit, with what feels like pure STP in the crankcase. I already see the dreaded little head bolts looking up at me in the hopper! I can just about imagine how much fun that's going to be. The exhaust valve is stuck, but everything else seems to move anyway. For all I know at this point, the rod could be in more than one piece or the piston could have a hole burned in it! ;-) Anyway, I've got a month plus of Hot-Air engine display clean up work to do before I can get to the Sandwich. -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Tim Christoff wrote: >I used to have one, didn't really care much for it though. They are a pain >to get unstuck, the head bolts are usually rusted real bad and there is no >other way to get that sucker apart (if the piston is up near the top) then >to drive the piston down. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Steve Gray >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Date: 11/8/2006 2:06:03 AM >>Subject: [SEL] Milker >> >>Hi All - >> >> A friend at the Tulare swap meet last weekend asked me if I could go >>through an engine he recently acquired to get it running. This is a >>Sandwich that I'm not familiar with. Anybody else ever see one of these? >>It's sure not common out here on the left coast! At first glance, it >>looks like a Novo,but has the vacuum pump built into the block. >> >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker1.jpg >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker2.jpg >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker3.jpg >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker4.jpg >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker5.jpg >> >>-- >>Steve Gray >>Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 >>Sonora, California USA >>e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net >>Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com >> >> >> >>Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than >> >> >traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself >at www.BigValley.net > > >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Nov 9 03:46:54 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:46:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. In-Reply-To: <000701c70378$54bc3d90$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: That was an interesting story. Thanks for taking the time to scan it. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: "Dave Croft" > >I was just looking though some old magazines & in a 1925 copy >of "The Mechanical Boy" they have printed a 1916 tale of a day in >the life of the Admiralty's engine room somewhere in Scotland. >I have printed it at >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2408324530028520097bGQwLN >I hope you enjoy it. (It can be enlarged on webshots) >Dave Croft >Warrington >http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From mickdema at yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 04:23:07 2006 From: mickdema at yahoo.com (Mick Demaria) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 04:23:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] More Mailbox & Yard Pictures In-Reply-To: <014e01c70397$3e591900$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <657443.59394.qm@web55912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, Here's a link to a front lawn display I passed outside of Hudson, ME a couple of years ago. http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/maine/lawn.html Mick --- Paul Maples wrote: > Hey Gang Bill Rupka send in these (3) pictures that > he took at his good friend, Marvin Browns home. He > sent the following descriptive information on the > pictures: > > Mailbox is Novo model S, > Air compressor is Canadian Rand (60 inch flywheels > to give an idea of scale) > Pump jack is a Beatty with a 3hp International M. > > Bill also commented that he is really enjoying this > thread. > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BillRupkaMailbox1.jpg > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BillRupkaYardDisplay1.jpg > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BillRupkaYardDisplay2.jpg > > Everyone keep beating the bush and ferret out these > mailboxes and yard displays and send them in. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near historic lows: $150,000 loan as low as $579/mo. Intro-*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Nov 9 04:27:10 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:27:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Intro Message-ID: <20061109144162.SM01400@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, I've already posted this to the Oldengine list - this is for the SEL members who do not belong to that list (are there any ?). Hi All, I'm Jerry Evans and only been afflicted with this old iron sickness since late 2004. I'd always been fascinated by these old engines and had dreams of finding a Lister D to restore. In 2004 I made the remarkable discovery that there were other people afflicted with the same sickness and some actually collected and restored these things. In fact it was a worldwide phenomenon - I was hooked. I joined the SEL and Oldengine mail lists and have made many wonderful friends in spite of never having met them personally. I was born mid 1949 in the Karoo region of South Africa - This is an arid semi desert area well known as a sheep farming area. My Dad farmed with sheep (mutton and wool), dairy cattle (Frieslands), and Angora goats (Mohair) and also grew maize (for silage), lucerne (alfalfa), oats and wheat and also had a farm butchery. My Mom had a General Dealer shop on the farm. My Dad was the most honest person I have ever known (probably why he never got rich) and I try to follow his example. I do not tolerate fools or dishonesty. We lived there until I was 13 and my first memories regarding machinery were from that farm. Our lights were supplied by a 1 1/2 H.P. John Deere E driving a 12 volt generator to charge a battery. It was my older brothers job to remove the head and decarbonise it every school holiday. I'm still looking for one of these engines. Then there was the annual visit by the contract threshing machine - I think it was probably a "Ransomes, Simms & Jefferies" - big wooden machine with lots of fascinating spinning wheels and belts - driven by a steam engine in the earlier days. Us kids had to crawl under it and pick up all the spilled wheat while it was running - todays safety inspectors would have had a heart attack had they seen us! We also used horse drawn (mules actually) mowers to cut the lucerne and maize. Milking was done by hand and I often had to turn the seperator (engine driven seperators were almost unknown here) and help weigh the milk. I was sent to boarding school at 6 so only spent holidays on the farm. I learnt to drive early on (about 7 or 8), first on a Grey Ferguson TED and later a Studebaker pickup. I hated that truck because the suspension was so hard - as kids we had to ride on the back and it was hell on the dirt roads. I remember begging my Dad to buy a Chevrolet as their suspension gave a much smoother ride on those roads but he never did. I was about 13 when my Dad sold the farm and moved to another farm in the Eastern Cape Province. This was closer to the sea (about 20 miles if you went by crow) and a higher rainfall area. By now my Dad had bought a brand new Massey Ferguson 35 diesel and this tractor did most of the moving between the old and new farms - I think it was about 130 miles one way and probably half of that was dirt road. It took a good number of trips towing a big farm trailer. The Studebaker engine was reconditioned and also did many trips. This farm had a Lister D driving a 32 volt generator - I remember thinking that we had really "come up in the world" because we now had 32 volt lights as opposed to the 12 volts previously. This was my first real experience with an engine as it was my duty (during school holidays) to start this every night. It was pretty old and sometimes very hard to start but it always did. The sound of it "puttering away" in the background was an integral part of our evenings. It was the memory of this engine that stuck in my mind and was the cause of this rusty iron sickness that now afflicts me. Something that I really remember about this farm was that the electric wiring in the roof was a total mess and on my first school holiday I was given the task of rewiring the house. It was hell - the roof was corrugated iron and had no vents so it was like an oven inside with the sun beating down on it. It was also totally dark and my only light source was a Coleman paraffin camping lantern which itself gave off a good amount of heat. Also the accumulation of dust up there, when mixed with sweat made me look decidedly "African". It took me about a week to finish but at least all the lights now worked. On leaving school I was conscripted to the army. I volunteered to become a Paratrooper and successfully completed my army life there. I did about 36 static line jumps out of Dakota's and Hercules C130's. My Dad became ill at this time and I stayed on at the farm and helped him for little over a year but it was never my intention to go farming and once he was well again I moved to Johannesburg which is in the centre of South Africa's main industrial region. I married in about 1972 and had 2 children, a son and a daughter. I got divorced in 1991 and have stayed single since and have no intention of changing this status (all the girls my age are so old !!). My daughter Jacqui shares my love of old engines and has her own restored Wolseley which goes to shows with us. My working life has been mostly in the plastics industry starting in sales and eventually opening my own company selling engineering plastics (Nylon etc.) and decorative plastics (Perspex etc.). I sold the company in 1986 partly to be able to spend more time at home with my teenage children and have since been working from home. I live on a 5 acre smallholding with 150 metres of river frontage about 40 Km south of Johannesburg. I currently run a small sign business as well as a data recovery service. My engine collection consists of only 7 restored engines. the oldest being the 6 H.P. Wolseley Type R (1928) that I'm currently busy with, then the 1 1/2 H.P. Ronaldson & Tippet N / Alfa Laval (1938) imported from Australia thanks to Reg Ingold, a Ruston & Hornsby PT (1949), 3 Bernards (1951) and a couple of Wolseley WD's (1960's). The "awaiting restoration" list is much bigger and has about 25 to 30 engines in it including a LeRoi twin cylinder, Bradford, more Bernards, about 5 Lister D's (including a 32 volt genset), 2 Lister LD aircooled diesels, about 8 or 9 Wolseleys (including 1 aircooled), 2 Moffat Virtues (will make 1), an aircooled Ronnie N, a few Villiers, a 1946 Briggs & Stratton genset, a Petter genset and some others. The only 2 engines that I really yearn for are a small Ruston & Hornsby PB and of course a John Deere E (1 1/2 H.P.). I'm not sure where they are at present but I do know that they have my name on them and will come home sooner or later. Maybe a hopper cooled Lister A will join them? The Wolseley R that I am currently busy with is probably the biggest I would want to go, I prefer the smaller engines. Of course, if I ever won the lottery that might change but to do that I would have to start buying tickets! I also have a Sunshine Harvester Sheller/Husker(complete and working but unrestored), a Ransomes Moon Corn Sheller (currently busy with restoration), A Massey Harris Pony (unrestored), a Massey Ferguson 35 Petrol Paraffin (in use), a Letz grinder (unrestored), a small hand operated Bentall corn grinder and a whole bunch of other beautiful old rusty things. Apart from the 2 tractors I have acquired all of these in the last 2 1/2 years so I think it's about time I stopped buying and started fixing. Considering that it takes me from 3 to 5 months to do an engine in my spare time (thank goodness I do not have a wife) I've got enough to keep me busy for a long time. The only problem is that the hobby is growing here and our scrap iron industry is thriving so when an engine appears you have to snap it up even if it is just to save it from those big melting pots in China. My webpage is here: Feel free to drop by and have a look. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jtray26 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 05:05:13 2006 From: jtray26 at yahoo.com (john ray) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 05:05:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: East coasters/intro In-Reply-To: <308.70cf415e.3283c3e0@aol.com> Message-ID: <20061109130513.32786.qmail@web54508.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom. Thanks very much for the heads-up...That sounds like one nasty dog :-) Tyler Germoamer at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/7/2006 12:36:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << You have nothing to fear from Twin, however. He is a mild mannered individual who loves children, kittens and his (much) younger wife >> Tyler, Dave conveniently forgot to tell you that "Twin" , however mild mannerly he may be, has a dog with titanium teeth well known for his ferocity. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. From edurand at iglou.com Thu Nov 9 07:14:08 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 09:14:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: <4552C936.7040600@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: Steve: That Sandwich looks like a good candidate for electrolysis. Use a cheap 12 Volt battery charger for the current source. Make the block the negative terminal and suspend a hunk of scrap in the hopper, insulated from it. Now, fill the hopper with warm water and, while stirring, add the electrolyte )one of several) until the current stops rising. Go away and leave it for a while. I'll bet that if you are patient, it will be clean as a whistle. Have a look here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff/Electrolysis.html Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve Gray > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:23 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Milker > > > Hi Tim - > > Luckily, this one does turn over, albeit, with > what feels like pure > STP in the crankcase. I already see the dreaded > little head bolts > looking up at me in the hopper! I can just about > imagine how much fun > that's going to be. The exhaust valve is stuck, > but everything else > seems to move anyway. For all I know at this > point, the rod could be in > more than one piece or the piston could have a > hole burned in it! ;-) > Anyway, I've got a month plus of Hot-Air engine > display clean up work > to do before I can get to the Sandwich. > > -- > Steve Gray From segray at bigvalley.net Thu Nov 9 09:05:05 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:05:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45535FC1.8020006@bigvalley.net> Mornin' Elden - For the time being, I'm hoping I don't have to resort to the "full on treatment" since the owner only wants to know the condition of what he's got and to see if it'll run. Plus, too, I got a bang out of the "Cow's Adopted Child" decal and who hate to destroy it completely without having a replacement available. Right now, as Tim mentioned earlier, the tough spot to deal with may be the head bolts down in the hopper. Electrolysis would be a good candidate there. Being fully enclosed, it appears there's no water in the bottom end, but looking at the dip stick, it's thick and black, typical of decades of dormancy. I kind of get the impression that the owner is looking for the "sale-ability" of the engine. Who knows, I might even get a change to put a bid in on it (like I need another lump of iron!), but first I have to play mechanic and spread it all over the shop. I've used electrolysis in limited cases and it does work well. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Elden DuRand wrote: >Steve: > >That Sandwich looks like a good candidate for electrolysis. Use a cheap 12 Volt battery charger for the current source. Make the block the negative terminal and suspend a hunk of scrap in the hopper, insulated from it. Now, fill the hopper with warm water and, while stirring, add the electrolyte )one of several) until the current stops rising. > >Go away and leave it for a while. I'll bet that if you are patient, it will be clean as a whistle. > >Have a look here: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff/Electrolysis.html > >Take care - Elden >edurand at iglou.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 09:33:07 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:33:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: <45535FC1.8020006@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Any ideas on getting (or making) replacement decals? I have a rather simple one (just black but don't trust myself to try to paint in the script it's in) that I'm SURE isn't available anywhere so am hesitant to repaint the machine. It's on the mast of an apparently very rare forklift; only 25 ever made I've read. Lew -----Original Message----- <> Plus, too, I got a bang out of the "Cow's Adopted Child" decal and who hate to destroy it completely without having a replacement available. <> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 9 09:28:56 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:28:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: Hi Lew, I think your best bet is to take a good high-resolution digital photo of the decal then clean the image up using something like PhotoShop. You may end up editing at the pixel-by-pixel level if there's a lot of detail. I think Dave Croft did that once for a Bessemer decal. Once you have a good, clean digital image, there are a number of vendors who can make the physical decal. If you go ahead with the process be sure to post your experience to the list. Good luck! See ya, Arnie PS - Have you considered leaving the original paint and decal on the machine and just "brightening things up" with boiled linseed oil? You can always sandblast and paint, but you can't replace an original finish and decal. You might be seriously reducing the value of your rare machine by repainting. Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Lew Best wrote: > Any ideas on getting (or making) replacement decals? I have a rather > simple one (just black but don't trust myself to try to paint in the > script it's in) that I'm SURE isn't available anywhere so am hesitant to > repaint the machine. It's on the mast of an apparently very rare > forklift; only 25 ever made I've read. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Nov 9 12:11:22 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:11:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. In-Reply-To: <200611091700.kA9H0462026585@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200611092217453.SM01752@new.databak.co.za> >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:56:13 -0000 >From: "Dave Croft" >Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. > >I was just looking though some old magazines & in a 1925 copy >of "The Mechanical Boy" they have printed a 1916 tale of a day in >the life of the Admiralty's engine room somewhere in Scotland. >I have printed it at >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2408324530028520097bGQwLN >I hope you enjoy it. (It can be enlarged on webshots) >Dave Croft Hi Dave, Looked like a good story but unfortunately the server "reset" while I was trying to read it and I lost the whole damn thing. I normally like to "save" the pic and read it offline but your "webshots" album is done with Macromedia Flash and this does not give me that option. On the previous webshots I could save the pic and study it at my leisure. Sorry friend, I really liked the start of the story but will probably never be able to read the rest (unless you email it to me). There are still are a number of us that do not have broadband - We live on the "blunt end" of the technological divide. Is there a way you could load it onto a normal website (ie. - not an "advertising supported" site so that the likes of me could also share it ? Sorry if I sound "cranky" but that's the way it is. I "HATE" webshots these days - it's just getting very "commercialised" - sorry, I liked the "old internet". Sorry for being "cranky" guys - I love all your posts and articles and always follow the links but I get a bit "pissed off" when I have to wait for advertising that is totally irrelevant to me and steals my money (Our Telkom "dial up" time) and makes me wait to see what I "clicked" . (No - I do NOT want to buy a condominium in the Everglades! - I just wanna see a pic of an old engine! - is that too much to ask?). I will never log on to any "webshots" site again (possibly my loss) but I'm "sick and tired" of using my connection time to read advertising that is totally irrelevant to me. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 12:26:08 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:26:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c7043d$58e49500$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Thanks Arnie I'd thought of the digital thing; probably the best shot at it. The paint is so bad though (lotsa rust showing through) I don't think it would clean up well. I can send you a pic on the back channel (think I have one already but from an angle) if you like. Actually (and ironically) I bought this to use; the rarity of it was an unknown bonus when I bought it. No interest in showing it; just prefer working with "presentable iron" rather than something that looks like junk. :) Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals Hi Lew, I think your best bet is to take a good high-resolution digital photo of the decal then clean the image up using something like PhotoShop. You may end up editing at the pixel-by-pixel level if there's a lot of detail. I think Dave Croft did that once for a Bessemer decal. Once you have a good, clean digital image, there are a number of vendors who can make the physical decal. If you go ahead with the process be sure to post your experience to the list. Good luck! See ya, Arnie PS - Have you considered leaving the original paint and decal on the machine and just "brightening things up" with boiled linseed oil? You can always sandblast and paint, but you can't replace an original finish and decal. You might be seriously reducing the value of your rare machine by repainting. Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Lew Best wrote: > Any ideas on getting (or making) replacement decals? I have a rather > simple one (just black but don't trust myself to try to paint in the > script it's in) that I'm SURE isn't available anywhere so am hesitant to > repaint the machine. It's on the mast of an apparently very rare > forklift; only 25 ever made I've read. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Nov 9 12:39:40 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:39:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> > you can't replace an original finish and >decal. You might be seriously reducing the value of your rare machine by >repainting. > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com Hi Arnie and others, reading this just reminded me of a conversation I had with Tom Lingard (the new hornsby reg guy) about his recent trip to the Uk, He was talking about some amazing paint finishes that he has seen were the owners have actually re-painted the whole engine to resemble an original "WORKING CLOTHES' look. Tom said that if he was not told that had been repainted he would never had known it not to be a top class example of an original as is engine. I will try and follow this up over the weekend as he was going to send a couple of pics to me showing the engines in question. Could be a good project for the game on an engine that really needs a paint job. Can't be that hard can it??? I often see new furniture with the antique look. Even my sister can do it and she's a girl!! ..... :-) cheers, Russell >_______________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 9 12:57:32 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:57:32 -0000 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. References: <200611092217453.SM01752@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <000301c70441$ae971230$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916. Snip > Hi Dave, > Looked like a good story but unfortunately the server "reset" > while I was trying to read it and I lost the whole damn thing. > I normally like to "save" the pic and read it offline but your > "webshots" album is done with Macromedia Flash and this does not give me > that option. On the previous webshots I could save the pic and study it at > my leisure. > Sorry friend, I really liked the start of the story but will > probably never be able to read the rest (unless you email it to me). > There are still are a number of us that do not have broadband - We > live on the "blunt end" of the technological divide. Is there a way you > could load it onto a normal website (ie. - not an "advertising supported" > site so that the likes of me could also share it ? Big Snip > Jerry Evans Hi Jerry, I hope it isn't too big for you but I have posted it at http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/Engineers%20diary.jpg Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 9 12:33:33 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:33:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: G'day Russell, I would definitely be interested in hearing the details. Tommy Turner once told me that he's mixed a small amount of paint into a boiled linseed oil / mineral spirits mix to add a bit of color. He says that it matched the original worn finish very nicely. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Hi Arnie and others, reading this just reminded me of a conversation > I had with Tom Lingard (the new hornsby reg guy) about his recent > trip to the Uk, He was talking about some amazing paint finishes that > he has seen were the owners have actually re-painted the whole engine > to resemble an original "WORKING CLOTHES' look. Tom said that if he > was not told that had been repainted he would never had known it not > to be a top class example of an original as is engine. I will try > and follow this up over the weekend as he was going to send a couple > of pics to me showing the engines in question. Could be a good > project for the game on an engine that really needs a paint job. > Can't be that hard can it??? I often see new furniture with the > antique look. Even my sister can do it and she's a girl!! ..... :-) From dleis at centurytel.net Thu Nov 9 15:17:25 2006 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:17:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & miss Message-ID: <001b01c70455$379b3bc0$0501a8c0@computer> Hi List I was wondering how long you guys have waited for parts from Hit & miss enterprises? I have been waited for a month and half I called Ed and he said they have been backed up. thank you Stacy From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 9 04:58:47 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 06:58:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More Mailbox & Yard Pictures References: <657443.59394.qm@web55912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004801c703fe$cc79cf60$240110ac@FAMILY> Darn Mick this looks like a small show, what a display. Thanks for sending in the pictures, it is greatly appreciated. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Demaria" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] More Mailbox & Yard Pictures > Hi Paul, > Here's a link to a front lawn display I passed > outside of Hudson, ME a couple of years ago. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/maine/lawn.html > > > Mick > > > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Nov 9 14:13:37 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:13:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Gade Castings In-Reply-To: <003401c6fba1$dfee2330$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: Hello friends, I'm still trying to help a friend find castings for a 6 hp Gade fuel pump and mixer. Someone last year was casting Gade parts and I was hoping to find them. It appears to me from my limited knowledge of patternmaking that both parts will require a pattern and a core box and can't just use the parts off my engine for a pattern. So if anyone remembers who posted Gade parts last year please let me know. Thanks, Steve _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more?then map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001 From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Thu Nov 9 14:19:57 2006 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:19:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] next years date Message-ID: <006e01c7044d$32436920$b684e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi everyone, Trying to crunch some dates for next year, am I right in assuming that mount pleasant follows on from portland. That would make it portland 22-26 august then mount pleasant august 29 september 2nd ? thanks Craig in Scotland From glenn.karch at verizon.net Thu Nov 9 14:56:30 2006 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:56:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] next years date References: <006e01c7044d$32436920$b684e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <003c01c70452$4ca13090$58bd123f@D8LJ7K91> Craig, You are right on. Those are the correct 2007 dates. Lord willing, I will see you at both of them. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [SEL] next years date Hi everyone, Trying to crunch some dates for next year, am I right in assuming that mount pleasant follows on from portland. That would make it portland 22-26 august then mount pleasant august 29 september 2nd ? thanks Craig in Scotland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Nov 9 15:55:09 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:55:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <20061109235510.35854.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lew Let me do some checking. I know I saw one that someone in Sandwich, IL had made. I was in posession of it at one time and I still might have it. We have 14-19 on the Sandwich Registry from what I can tell (I need to get an update from the keeper of the registry - almost 1 year from the last update). I am sure that more tan 25 were produced. Probably more in the 2k range base on serial numbers that have been seen. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/enginelist.htm Steve --- Lew Best wrote: Any ideas on getting (or making) replacement decals? I have a rather simple one (just black but don't trust myself to try to paint in the script it's in) that I'm SURE isn't available anywhere so am hesitant to repaint the machine. It's on the mast of an apparently very rare forklift; only 25 ever made I've read. Lew From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 9 15:55:35 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:55:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <001601c7043d$58e49500$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> References: <001601c7043d$58e49500$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <0A8C0342-D7A7-43A2-AC2A-2E101F2D01CA@rustyiron.com> On Nov 9, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Lew Best wrote: > I'd thought of the digital thing; probably the best shot at it. The > paint is so bad though (lotsa rust showing through) I don't think it > would clean up well. I can send you a pic on the back channel > (think I > have one already but from an angle) if you like. Actually (and > ironically) I bought this to use; the rarity of it was an unknown > bonus > when I bought it. No interest in showing it; just prefer working with > "presentable iron" rather than something that looks like junk. :) Hi Lew, If it doesn't clean up well, might be easier to make a new one from scratch. Look at the letters, colors and layout, and use something like Illustrator or Photoshop to make something similar. Here are a couple that I've done for t-shirts: http://engines.rustyiron.com/lorenz/lorenz-logo.gif This one uses a LOT of artistic license, but has the basic look of an original logo. One chap bagged it off the web page and made decals for his engine. http://engines.rustyiron.com/commercial/commercial-logo.jpg This one is very close to the original. In fact, it's better. It's fooled experts. Using graphic programs is hard to learn, but there are plenty of online resources for learning the basics. Rob From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 16:11:53 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:11:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: <20061109235510.35854.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004a01c7045c$d4763f10$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Thanks Steve We got off track here; this is not for a Sandwich engine but a forklift that's rare; I just need a coupla decals like it has on it. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Barr Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Milker Lew Let me do some checking. I know I saw one that someone in Sandwich, IL had made. I was in posession of it at one time and I still might have it. We have 14-19 on the Sandwich Registry from what I can tell (I need to get an update from the keeper of the registry - almost 1 year from the last update). I am sure that more tan 25 were produced. Probably more in the 2k range base on serial numbers that have been seen. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/enginelist.htm Steve --- Lew Best wrote: Any ideas on getting (or making) replacement decals? I have a rather simple one (just black but don't trust myself to try to paint in the script it's in) that I'm SURE isn't available anywhere so am hesitant to repaint the machine. It's on the mast of an apparently very rare forklift; only 25 ever made I've read. Lew _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 16:14:32 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:14:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <0A8C0342-D7A7-43A2-AC2A-2E101F2D01CA@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <004b01c7045d$334f67a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Thanx Rob I have Photoshop but know only the very elementary tasks with it. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals On Nov 9, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Lew Best wrote: > I'd thought of the digital thing; probably the best shot at it. The > paint is so bad though (lotsa rust showing through) I don't think it > would clean up well. I can send you a pic on the back channel > (think I > have one already but from an angle) if you like. Actually (and > ironically) I bought this to use; the rarity of it was an unknown > bonus > when I bought it. No interest in showing it; just prefer working with > "presentable iron" rather than something that looks like junk. :) Hi Lew, If it doesn't clean up well, might be easier to make a new one from scratch. Look at the letters, colors and layout, and use something like Illustrator or Photoshop to make something similar. Here are a couple that I've done for t-shirts: http://engines.rustyiron.com/lorenz/lorenz-logo.gif This one uses a LOT of artistic license, but has the basic look of an original logo. One chap bagged it off the web page and made decals for his engine. http://engines.rustyiron.com/commercial/commercial-logo.jpg This one is very close to the original. In fact, it's better. It's fooled experts. Using graphic programs is hard to learn, but there are plenty of online resources for learning the basics. Rob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 9 16:17:11 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:17:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: On Nov 9, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > I would definitely be interested in hearing the details. > Tommy Turner once told me that he's mixed a small amount of paint into > a boiled linseed oil / mineral spirits mix to add a bit of color. > He says > that it matched the original worn finish very nicely. I've done individual parts using variants of the following technique with very good results. The exact technique you use will depend on what you're trying to match or the look you're trying to achieve. 1. Paint the part using your regular technique, using high quality paint, and let it dry. 2. Using a wide-flame torch, heat the part to where the paint starts to "uglify." Slop the area with diesel fuel or old motor oil. Let it cook and keep playing the flame on the area. You want to remove any shine on the new paint, stain it to some degree, or maybe even bubble it in places. Keep going until the entire part or engine is "uglified." 3. After everything cools, wipe off all the slop. Now rub on some stove polish. 4. Rub down the engine again using wadded up newspaper. That's all there is to it. If you like the look of original engines, two things you cannot do without are linseed oil and stove polish. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner www.rustyiron.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 9 16:18:09 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:18:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust Message-ID: <006d01c7045d$b5442480$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I was wondering if anyone had used phosphoric acid to derust? I have some phosphoric acid and was thinking of using it in the bottom of my Stover Block (base) where the oil sump is. Over the years water had condensed in this area and there is a pretty good rust area for about 2" on the inside of the crankcase. If anyone has used Phosphoric Acid I would like to know what strength you used, did you cut it with water, about how long did you leave it on the metal and what did you neutralize it with. Thanks, Paul From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 9 17:17:56 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:17:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <004b01c7045d$334f67a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> References: <004b01c7045d$334f67a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <92A27026-1E83-4033-86D7-EF12F495401A@rustyiron.com> On Nov 9, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Lew Best wrote: > Thanx Rob > > I have Photoshop but know only the very elementary tasks with it. > > Lew > Hi Lew, Can you remind us where the picture is with the decal? Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 9 17:41:18 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:41:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & miss In-Reply-To: <001b01c70455$379b3bc0$0501a8c0@computer> References: <001b01c70455$379b3bc0$0501a8c0@computer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061109203742.042de800@mail.alltel.net> From time to time I know that Ed gets backed up a bit--but 45 days seems a bit long! Give him another call and ask when he will ship your parts. Is it possible that the parts are back ordered and not simply "backed up?" Hit & Miss does not make all of the parts that they sell. Dave At 06:17 PM 11/9/2006, you wrote: >Hi List > I was wondering how long you guys have waited for parts from Hit & miss > enterprises? I have been waited for a month and half I called Ed and he > said they have been backed up. thank you > > Stacy From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Nov 9 18:30:39 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:30:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & miss References: <001b01c70455$379b3bc0$0501a8c0@computer> <6.1.2.0.0.20061109203742.042de800@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <009801c70470$36d6e610$64d84c0c@D48VHZ61> I've ordered before and they would tell me something along the lines of out of stock---take a week or 2 to make the item. If it's a big, slow moving project maybe they could send what they have and send the rest later---you may have to pay 2 shipping charges though. At least that way your project doesn't start to rust all over again!!!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & miss > From time to time I know that Ed gets backed up a bit--but 45 days seems a > bit long! Give him another call and ask when he will ship your parts. Is > it possible that the parts are back ordered and not simply "backed up?" > Hit & Miss does not make all of the parts that they sell. > Dave > > At 06:17 PM 11/9/2006, you wrote: >>Hi List >> I was wondering how long you guys have waited for parts from Hit & miss >> enterprises? I have been waited for a month and half I called Ed and he >> said they have been backed up. thank you >> >> Stacy > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 19:27:07 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:27:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <92A27026-1E83-4033-86D7-EF12F495401A@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <000e01c70478$1b23b4e0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> I haven't posted it; was just following another mention of decals. I'll post it on photobucket & the link in a few minutes. I've been kinda secretive on having this machine; would hate for it to "disappear" if some "wrong folks" not on the group intercepted an email. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals On Nov 9, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Lew Best wrote: > Thanx Rob > > I have Photoshop but know only the very elementary tasks with it. > > Lew > Hi Lew, Can you remind us where the picture is with the decal? Rob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 19:50:24 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:50:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <000e01c70478$1b23b4e0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <000f01c7047b$5b96b380$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Ok; pic of my mast/decal posted at http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/lewbest/jd/mast01.jpg; click on the thumbnail to enlarge. Name Henry on the mast; kinda block letters but not exactly. May as well let yall see what I got; not anywhere this nice & on a 420 where this site says they were built on 430's or 440's. http://www.johnnypopper.com/weirddeere/Forklifts.html If you'll click on the image of the 440 bout half way down the page it looks like mine but the tag on mine definitely says 420U. Mine is the typical green & yellow (what paint is left). Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lew Best Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:27 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals I haven't posted it; was just following another mention of decals. I'll post it on photobucket & the link in a few minutes. I've been kinda secretive on having this machine; would hate for it to "disappear" if some "wrong folks" not on the group intercepted an email. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals On Nov 9, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Lew Best wrote: > Thanx Rob > > I have Photoshop but know only the very elementary tasks with it. > > Lew > Hi Lew, Can you remind us where the picture is with the decal? Rob -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From falcon at telenet.net Thu Nov 9 20:05:40 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:05:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <006d01c7045d$b5442480$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <006d01c7045d$b5442480$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <4553FA94.1050609@telenet.net> Paul Maples wrote: > Folks I was wondering if anyone had used phosphoric acid to derust? I have some phosphoric acid and was thinking of using it in the bottom of my Stover Block (base) where the oil sump is. Over the years water had condensed in this area and there is a pretty good rust area for about 2" on the inside of the crankcase. > > If anyone has used Phosphoric Acid I would like to know what strength you used, did you cut it with water, about how long did you leave it on the metal and what did you neutralize it with. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Yep, Navel Jelly is Phosphoric acid made into a gel. The stuff used in many body shops as a rust neutralizer is also Phosphoric acid reduced down with water. Metal-Prep 79 is what I use in the shop as a panel prep to prevent light rust when working with bare metal. It is 95% Phosphoric acid with a couple other chemicals. On heavy rust it gets diluted very little (1 pint of water to one gallon of acid) with water. Light overnight rust gets a spritz with the bottle of a reverse mix. Then wiped off and dried. Immersion bath gets 1 quart MP79 to 3 quarts water. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From oiseming at moscow.com Thu Nov 9 21:05:57 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:05:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <006d01c7045d$b5442480$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <200611100506.kAA56GN4099742@mail-gw.fsr.net> Paul -- I've used phosphoric acid to remove light rust. I use it full strength. Sometimes I'll neutralize it by putting it into my electrolytic vat. Other times I'll not neutralize it, but wash it off, instead, and then apply one of the metal prep solutions, such as Ospho or Metal Ready. For your crankcase, I'd suggest either molasses or a solution of salt and vinegar. Just dissolve as much salt as you can in the vinegar and pour the solution into your crankcase. It would be cheaper than phosphoric acid and you probably have already have the supplies you need for the job. IMHO, you'll have a slower, more controllable reaction with molasses or salt/vinegar. After de-rusting, I'd passivate the surface with Ospho, or similar. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust Folks I was wondering if anyone had used phosphoric acid to derust? I have some phosphoric acid and was thinking of using it in the bottom of my Stover Block (base) where the oil sump is. Over the years water had condensed in this area and there is a pretty good rust area for about 2" on the inside of the crankcase. If anyone has used Phosphoric Acid I would like to know what strength you used, did you cut it with water, about how long did you leave it on the metal and what did you neutralize it with. Thanks, Paul From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 9 22:13:41 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:13:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Russell, tom also told me about that, i think he mentioned wayne timms,would be nice to see a picture of these,and by the way i hope your sister is a girl or you have problems!!!!!,Dave >From: Russell Gilbert >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] original paint >Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:39:40 +1100 > > >> you can't replace an original finish and >>decal. You might be seriously reducing the value of your rare machine by >>repainting. >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com > >Hi Arnie and others, reading this just reminded me of a conversation I had >with Tom Lingard (the new hornsby reg guy) about his recent trip to the Uk, >He was talking about some amazing paint finishes that he has seen were the >owners have actually re-painted the whole engine to resemble an original >"WORKING CLOTHES' look. Tom said that if he was not told that had been >repainted he would never had known it not to be a top class example of an >original as is engine. I will try and follow this up over the weekend as >he was going to send a couple of pics to me showing the engines in >question. Could be a good project for the game on an engine that really >needs a paint job. Can't be that hard can it??? I often see new furniture >with the antique look. Even my sister can do it and she's a girl!! ..... >:-) > >cheers, Russell > > > > >>_______________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: House hunt online now! http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Erealestate%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dres%26cu%3DMSN&_t=758874163&_r=HM_EndText_Nov06&_m=EXT From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 9 22:15:33 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:15:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <000f01c7047b$5b96b380$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> References: <000f01c7047b$5b96b380$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: On Nov 9, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Lew Best wrote: > Ok; pic of my mast/decal posted at > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/lewbest/jd/mast01.jpg; click on > the thumbnail to enlarge. Name Henry on the mast; kinda block letters > but not exactly. Hi Lew, It looks like your letters are hand painted. The shapes look a little distorted and the drop shadow isn't quite right. It looks like the N and the R might be seriffed, but I can't tell for sure. Dig this. It's an Arial Bold font, stretched a little, outlined, and drop shadowed. http://www.rustyiron.com/sisterdisco/lew.jpg You can buy assorted sticker stock at any of the office product stores. Of those I've tried, the bumper sticker material seems to work best. I've also found that 1-Shot UV resistant clear coat does a nice job as a finish over the stickers once their applied. It's not as good as a professional job, but it's something you can whip up at home rather inexpensively. Rob From gibsongus at myway.com Thu Nov 9 22:24:55 2006 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:24:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & miss Message-ID: <20061110062455.10AB499E1B@mprdmxin.myway.com> Dave I just got some stuff from Hit &Miss and they said it would be two weeks I don't know if they meant two wks. from the time I ordered or if it meant two wks. before they got around to getting it ready??? it took three wks. for it to get here...-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 11/09, Dave Rotigel < rotigel at alltel.net > wrote: From: Dave Rotigel [mailto: rotigel at alltel.net]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:41:18 -0500Subject: Re: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & missFrom time to time I know that Ed gets backed up a bit--but 45 days seems a bit long! Give him another call and ask when he will ship your parts. Is it possible that the parts are back ordered and not simply "backed up?" Hit & Miss does not make all of the parts that they sell.DaveAt 06:17 PM 11/9/2006, you wrote:>Hi List> I was wondering how long you guys have waited for parts from Hit & miss > enterprises? I have been waited for a month and half I called Ed and he > said they have been backed up. thank you>> Stacy_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From segray at bigvalley.net Thu Nov 9 22:35:43 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:35:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Milker In-Reply-To: <004a01c7045c$d4763f10$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> References: <004a01c7045c$d4763f10$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <45541DBF.90408@bigvalley.net> Hi Steve - I started the thread with the Sandwich vacuum (milker) engine, that's how the Sandwich name came up. Have you seen any of the Pine Tree Milker decals for the Sandwich? Be interesting if it/they are available. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Lew Best wrote: >Thanks Steve > >We got off track here; this is not for a Sandwich engine but a forklift >that's rare; I just need a coupla decals like it has on it. > >Lew > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Barr >Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:55 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] Milker > >Lew > >Let me do some checking. I know I saw one that someone in Sandwich, IL >had made. I was in posession of it at one time and I still might have >it. > >We have 14-19 on the Sandwich Registry from what I can tell (I need to >get >an update from the keeper of the registry - almost 1 year from the last >update). I am sure that more tan 25 were produced. Probably more in >the >2k range base on serial numbers that have been seen. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/enginelist.htm > >Steve > > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Nov 10 01:38:26 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:38:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061110203721.01b845d0@ncable.com.au> Gee Dave I was about to say "Last time I looked" ! But this is a family website so I wont go there? cheers, Russ At 05:13 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote: >Hi Russell, tom also told me about that, i think he mentioned wayne >timms,would be nice to see a picture of these,and by the way i hope >your sister is a girl or you have problems!!!!!,Dave > > >>From: Russell Gilbert >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] original paint >>Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:39:40 +1100 >> >> >>> you can't replace an original finish and >>>decal. You might be seriously reducing the value of your rare machine by >>>repainting. >>> >>>Arnie Fero >>>Pittsburgh, PA >>>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>Hi Arnie and others, reading this just reminded me of a >>conversation I had with Tom Lingard (the new hornsby reg guy) about >>his recent trip to the Uk, He was talking about some amazing paint >>finishes that he has seen were the owners have actually re-painted >>the whole engine to resemble an original "WORKING CLOTHES' >>look. Tom said that if he was not told that had been repainted he >>would never had known it not to be a top class example of an >>original as is engine. I will try and follow this up over the >>weekend as he was going to send a couple of pics to me showing the >>engines in question. Could be a good project for the game on an >>engine that really needs a paint job. Can't be that hard can it??? >>I often see new furniture with the antique look. Even my sister can >>do it and she's a girl!! ..... :-) >> >>cheers, Russell >> >> >> >> >>>_______________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_________________________________________________________________ >Advertisement: House hunt online now! >http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Erealestate%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dres%26cu%3DMSN&_t=758874163&_r=HM_EndText_Nov06&_m=EXT > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Nov 10 03:28:53 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:28:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Wot's stove polish? And does the quality of the final result depend on the politics of the newspaper that you use? We have two available here in the 'burgh. One is very liberal / Democratic and the other is very conservative / Republican. I'd hate to get the wrong result by using the wrong newspaper. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Rob Skinner wrote: > 3. After everything cools, wipe off all the slop. Now rub on some > stove polish. > > 4. Rub down the engine again using wadded up newspaper. > > That's all there is to it. If you like the look of original engines, > two things you cannot do without are linseed oil and stove polish. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 10 04:16:47 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:16:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust References: <200611100506.kAA56GN4099742@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <001e01c704c2$1867a280$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Orrin, I have (2) quarts of the phosphoric acid (80% strength) and since I have them I thought I would go ahead and use them. Would you use the acid at the 80% strength or reduce it's strength? Never heard of Ospho or Metal Ready, are these products available at local hardware stores like Ace? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:05 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust > Paul -- > > I've used phosphoric acid to remove light rust. I use it full strength. > Sometimes I'll neutralize it by putting it into my electrolytic vat. > Other > times I'll not neutralize it, but wash it off, instead, and then apply one > of the metal prep solutions, such as Ospho or Metal Ready. > > For your crankcase, I'd suggest either molasses or a solution of salt and > vinegar. Just dissolve as much salt as you can in the vinegar and pour > the > solution into your crankcase. It would be cheaper than phosphoric acid > and > you probably have already have the supplies you need for the job. > > IMHO, you'll have a slower, more controllable reaction with molasses or > salt/vinegar. > > After de-rusting, I'd passivate the surface with Ospho, or similar. > > Regards, > > Orrin > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Nov 10 03:41:57 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:41:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: <000e01c70478$1b23b4e0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> References: <000e01c70478$1b23b4e0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: Gee Lew, I never would have guessed there was that big a market in collectable forklifts. Learn something new every day... See ya, Arnie On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Lew Best wrote: > I haven't posted it; was just following another mention of decals. I'll > post it on photobucket & the link in a few minutes. I've been kinda > secretive on having this machine; would hate for it to "disappear" if > some "wrong folks" not on the group intercepted an email. From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 10 05:16:53 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:16:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <4553FA94.1050609@telenet.net> References: <006d01c7045d$b5442480$240110ac@FAMILY> <4553FA94.1050609@telenet.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061110081610.042e5e48@mail.alltel.net> REMEMBER, "Do what you otter, add acid to water!" Dave At 11:05 PM 11/9/2006, you wrote: >Paul Maples wrote: >>Folks I was wondering if anyone had used phosphoric acid to derust? I >>have some phosphoric acid and was thinking of using it in the bottom of >>my Stover Block (base) where the oil sump is. Over the years water had >>condensed in this area and there is a pretty good rust area for about 2" >>on the inside of the crankcase. >>If anyone has used Phosphoric Acid I would like to know what strength you >>used, did you cut it with water, about how long did you leave it on the >>metal and what did you neutralize it with. >>Thanks, >>Paul >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Yep, Navel Jelly is Phosphoric acid made into a gel. The stuff used in >many body shops as a rust neutralizer is also Phosphoric acid reduced down >with water. Metal-Prep 79 is what I use in the shop as a panel prep to >prevent light rust when working with bare metal. It is 95% Phosphoric acid >with a couple other chemicals. > >On heavy rust it gets diluted very little (1 pint of water to one gallon >of acid) with water. Light overnight rust gets a spritz with the bottle of >a reverse mix. Then wiped off and dried. >Immersion bath gets 1 quart MP79 to 3 quarts water. > >-- >Steve W. >Near Cooperstown, New York From rwenig at telus.net Fri Nov 10 05:25:14 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:25:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <200611100506.kAA56GN4099742@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200611100506.kAA56GN4099742@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <45547DBA.6080202@telus.net> I'm trying to clean up some items that went through a fire and sat outside for a year or so. I haven't had much luck using molasses to remove rust. I must have had the wrong mixture. What percentages of molasses and water do you use? Rupert Orrin Iseminger wrote: > > For your crankcase, I'd suggest either molasses or a solution of salt and > vinegar. Just dissolve as much salt as you can in the vinegar and pour the > solution into your crankcase. It would be cheaper than phosphoric acid and > you probably have already have the supplies you need for the job. > > IMHO, you'll have a slower, more controllable reaction with molasses or > salt/vinegar. > > After de-rusting, I'd passivate the surface with Ospho, or similar. > > Regards, > > Orrin > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Nov 10 06:17:29 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:17:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c704d2$f600f690$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Don't know if there is or not but would hate to lose it! Probably collectors for most anything. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:42 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals Gee Lew, I never would have guessed there was that big a market in collectable forklifts. Learn something new every day... See ya, Arnie On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Lew Best wrote: > I haven't posted it; was just following another mention of decals. I'll > post it on photobucket & the link in a few minutes. I've been kinda > secretive on having this machine; would hate for it to "disappear" if > some "wrong folks" not on the group intercepted an email. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 06:27:17 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:27:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160611100627n568c8187td7d436af342d904a@mail.gmail.com> On 10/11/06, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Wot's stove polish? And does the quality of the final result depend on > the politics of the newspaper that you use? We have two available here > in the 'burgh. One is very liberal / Democratic and the other is very > conservative / Republican. I'd hate to get the wrong result by using the > wrong newspaper. > > See ya, Arnie > Sometimes known as 'Hearth Blacking'. It's still sold for the old cast-iron solid fuel stoves. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Nov 10 07:48:45 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:48:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] original paint In-Reply-To: References: <008e01c70425$1fade6a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> <7.0.1.0.0.20061110072846.01b8cc48@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: On Nov 10, 2006, at 3:28 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Wot's stove polish? Stove polish is a wax based goop that is really, really black. It's like furniture wax for cast iron. Don't wear rubber gloves when you use it. The stuff I use is made by Rutland. You can google it, or call your fireplace store, or call Rutland direct at 800-544-1307 if you want to buy it by the case. Two tubes should last you a while. > One is very liberal / Democratic and the other is very > conservative / Republican. I've never seen the latter. Rob From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Nov 10 10:09:40 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:09:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <001e01c704c2$1867a280$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <200611101809.kAAI9mFu069892@mail-gw.fsr.net> Paul, I would feel uneasy about using the phosphoric acid at full strength in your oil sump. The acid not only reacts with the rust, it vigorously goes after the base metal, as well. Someone else posted a recommended dilution. I suggest you use it. Yes, a paint store or the paint department of a hardware store should have Ospho, or a similar product. It consists of phosphoric acid and "metal salts." I don't know the chemical implication of those metal salts, but they certainly make a big difference. I've de-rusted with phosphoric acid without any follow-up passivation. After a few weeks I had worse rust than what I started with. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust Thanks Orrin, I have (2) quarts of the phosphoric acid (80% strength) and since I have them I thought I would go ahead and use them. Would you use the acid at the 80% strength or reduce it's strength? Never heard of Ospho or Metal Ready, are these products available at local hardware stores like Ace? From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Nov 10 10:14:06 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:14:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <45547DBA.6080202@telus.net> Message-ID: <200611101814.kAAIEEtX076430@mail-gw.fsr.net> I've tried de-rusting things that have been through a fire. Some of the scale seems impervious to anything I threw at it, including electrolysis, acid, and abrasive blasting. The recommendation I've seen for dilution is one part molasses to 3 or 4 parts water. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rupert Wenig Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:25 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust I'm trying to clean up some items that went through a fire and sat outside for a year or so. I haven't had much luck using molasses to remove rust. I must have had the wrong mixture. What percentages of molasses and water do you use? Rupert Orrin Iseminger wrote: > > For your crankcase, I'd suggest either molasses or a solution of salt and > vinegar. Just dissolve as much salt as you can in the vinegar and pour the > solution into your crankcase. It would be cheaper than phosphoric acid and > you probably have already have the supplies you need for the job. > > IMHO, you'll have a slower, more controllable reaction with molasses or > salt/vinegar. > > After de-rusting, I'd passivate the surface with Ospho, or similar. > > Regards, > > Orrin > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Fri Nov 10 11:11:30 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:11:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c704fc$15f9ca70$0401a8c0@FAMILYROOM> One other method that comes to mind would be to have a sign shop cut them out on the CNC vinyl cutter. If the letters are solid black this should be a piece of cake. They may already have a font that would be close enough. It would also be pretty easy to generate the art work from scratch in a CAD program using the digital picture as a template. I did this for a very old Delta scroll saw that I restored for my dad. I can put some pictures up on my web shots page if any one wants to see. I could possibly help with the CAD work if you like. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:16 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals > > > On Nov 9, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Lew Best wrote: > > > Ok; pic of my mast/decal posted at > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/lewbest/jd/mast01.jpg; click on > > the thumbnail to enlarge. Name Henry on the mast; kinda block letters > > but not exactly. > > > Hi Lew, > It looks like your letters are hand painted. The shapes look a > little distorted and the drop shadow isn't quite right. It looks > like the N and the R might be seriffed, but I can't tell for sure. > > Dig this. It's an Arial Bold font, stretched a little, outlined, and > drop shadowed. > http://www.rustyiron.com/sisterdisco/lew.jpg > > You can buy assorted sticker stock at any of the office product > stores. Of those I've tried, the bumper sticker material seems to > work best. I've also found that 1-Shot UV resistant clear coat does > a nice job as a finish over the stickers once their applied. > > It's not as good as a professional job, but it's something you can > whip up at home rather inexpensively. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 10 14:17:15 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 09:17:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals References: <001901c704d2$f600f690$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <001a01c70515$fb63eaf0$03476c3a@Edd> I have two old Towmotor fork lifts and use them a lot.When I got the first one I looked up on the net and found that people do seem to collect them.The Towmotors being US built fit in with my collecting theme of US engines of which I have 36 different manufactures the latest being a 3HP Appleton and it is the only one I know of here in Australia at the moment.I had been trying to get this engine for some time and it finally worked out. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Best" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 1:17 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals > Don't know if there is or not but would hate to lose it! Probably > collectors for most anything. > > Lew > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:42 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] RE: Rare Decals > > Gee Lew, > > I never would have guessed there was that big a market in collectable > forklifts. Learn something new every day... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Lew Best wrote: > >> I haven't posted it; was just following another mention of decals. > I'll >> post it on photobucket & the link in a few minutes. I've been kinda >> secretive on having this machine; would hate for it to "disappear" if >> some "wrong folks" not on the group intercepted an email. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: > 11/9/2006 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Nov 10 16:22:30 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:22:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916/webshots In-Reply-To: <200611101700.kAAH04JC025107@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20061111004234.00acf928@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:57:32 -0000 >From: "Dave Croft" > >Hi Jerry, I hope it isn't too big for you but I have posted it at >http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/Engineers%20diary.jpg >Dave Croft Hi Dave, Thanks for going to the trouble - I got it and enjoyed it. 300 H.P. and 250 H.P. in 1916 must have been something to behold. In the meantime I had help and advice from Larry Evans and can now also get it off webshots but it is still slower than a non advertising supported site. Dolly also gave me some advice a week or 2 ago and I went and had a look at the Firefox plugins page. I found an ad blocker there which installed very quickly and easily and does seem to help a bit with speed but I still cannot stand Webshots :-) As a point of interest Webshots shows up completely differently in Firefox to what it looks like in Netscape or IE. The main thing is that the small row of Icons at the bottom of the pic does not show at all in Firefox (mine at least) and this has probably been one of my main problems. Larry mentioned that he clicked on the magnifier to show the image full size (which also breaks it out of the "Flash" thing) and could then right click and "Save Image" so I looked around the page and found a text link in the top right that does the same - thereafter the pic loads and I can see (and save) it. In Netscape if I hover the pointer over one of these icons (mouseover) a small text description of the icons purpose shows yet this does not happen in IE unless I refresh the page. this may have to do with the ads trying to load At the bottom of one of these posts from SEL (I get the digest so it will be in the last 24 hours) I see someone in the States advertising broadband from $13.33/month. This is about 1/4 of what my slow dialup connection here in S.A. costs and then I still have the per minute rate to pay to the Telkom. I estimate that it costs me approximately ZAR 900.00 ($125.00 approx) for the privilege of being able to access the Internet. Broadband will cost me about 3 to 4 times as much. Our problem is that there is only 1 fixed line telephone provider here and it is a monopoly (not only that but the government is the main shareholder) and they charge what they like. Our telephone charges have skyrocketed in the last 6 or 7 years for the simple reason that there has been pressure on the government to allow a second fixed line operator so the existing one has just pushed up prices to allow them to "improve" their network at our cost. They agreed to allow a second operator about 5 or 6 years ago but the existing operator has been blocking and stalling them with legal action and court cases and suchlike. A second operator has now been named but it will still take them years to roll out their network and it will only start in the bigger centres so may take a very long time to reach us out here in the country. I've been connecting to the internet since 1991 when it was still just bulletin boards and a 14.4 Kbps modem on an XT. IE was not even around yet and spam was something that you ate from a tin. A local call cost about 29c (thats 4c US at todays rates) irrespective of how long you were connected. Since then I (and all South Africans) have had to endure skyrocketing prices and a service that has been getting worse and worse. So please forgive me if I sometimes get cranky about internet connections. It's probably aimed at our rip off telephone company. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Nov 10 08:26:46 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:26:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses In-Reply-To: <45547DBA.6080202@telus.net> References: <200611100506.kAA56GN4099742@mail-gw.fsr.net> <45547DBA.6080202@telus.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20061110082321.05d7aec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Rupert, I've had good success with about 15 parts of water to 1 part of molasses. It won't work if there is oil or grease covering the rust. Regards, Larry At 05:25 AM 11/10/2006, you wrote: > I'm trying to clean up some items that went through a fire and > sat outside for a year or so. I haven't had much luck using molasses to > remove rust. I must have had the wrong mixture. What percentages of > molasses and water do you use? > > >Rupert > >Orrin Iseminger wrote: >>For your crankcase, I'd suggest either molasses or a solution of salt and >>vinegar. Just dissolve as much salt as you can in the vinegar and pour the >>solution into your crankcase. It would be cheaper than phosphoric acid and >>you probably have already have the supplies you need for the job. >>IMHO, you'll have a slower, more controllable reaction with molasses or >>salt/vinegar. >>After de-rusting, I'd passivate the surface with Ospho, or similar. >>Regards, >>Orrin >-- >yvt > >Rupert Wenig >Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 10 10:58:40 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:58:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust References: <200611101809.kAAI9mFu069892@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <004f01c704fa$3d45fb00$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Orrin, all of this has made me a bit leery. I think I will wait until tomorrow before trying it to see if I get any more advice or recommendations tonight. I also think I will ask the guys on SmokStak (some of which are also list members) what if any experience that they have had using phosphoric acid. I really appreciate your help and recommendations. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust > Paul, I would feel uneasy about using the phosphoric acid at full strength > in your oil sump. The acid not only reacts with the rust, it vigorously > goes after the base metal, as well. Someone else posted a recommended > dilution. I suggest you use it. > > Yes, a paint store or the paint department of a hardware store should have > Ospho, or a similar product. It consists of phosphoric acid and "metal > salts." I don't know the chemical implication of those metal salts, but > they certainly make a big difference. I've de-rusted with phosphoric acid > From rwenig at telus.net Fri Nov 10 16:26:09 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:26:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust In-Reply-To: <200611101814.kAAIEEtX076430@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200611101814.kAAIEEtX076430@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <455518A1.5070709@telus.net> Thanks. The mixture I tried was about 3 parts molasses to one part water. Mold grew on it in short order. Will try it again but at the proper mixture this time. I'm experimenting with condensate collected from an energy efficient boiler. This water is supposed to be acidic. It appears promising but it's too soon to tell yet how well it works. What I know at this time is the water turns brown and crud collects at the bottom of the pail. My test iron sample was through a fire. Have some cast iron in the water now that didn't get so hot. Rupert Orrin Iseminger wrote: > I've tried de-rusting things that have been through a fire. Some of the > scale seems impervious to anything I threw at it, including electrolysis, > acid, and abrasive blasting. > > The recommendation I've seen for dilution is one part molasses to 3 or 4 > parts water. > > Regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rupert Wenig > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:25 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust > > I'm trying to clean up some items that went through a fire and sat > outside for a year or so. I haven't had much luck using molasses to > remove rust. I must have had the wrong mixture. What percentages of > molasses and water do you use? > > > Rupert > > Orrin Iseminger wrote: >> For your crankcase, I'd suggest either molasses or a solution of salt and >> vinegar. Just dissolve as much salt as you can in the vinegar and pour > the >> solution into your crankcase. It would be cheaper than phosphoric acid > and >> you probably have already have the supplies you need for the job. >> >> IMHO, you'll have a slower, more controllable reaction with molasses or >> salt/vinegar. >> >> After de-rusting, I'd passivate the surface with Ospho, or similar. >> >> Regards, >> >> Orrin >> > -- > yvt > > Rupert Wenig > Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > > http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From rwenig at telus.net Fri Nov 10 20:22:45 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:22:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916/webshots In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20061111004234.00acf928@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061111004234.00acf928@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <45555015.9090605@telus.net> Hello Jerry, Paying toll charges by the minute sure can add up. Have you checked into a satellite internet connection? I've been thinking about it myself. Dialup costs me 33.60/month for 100 hours connect time and two email addresses. Fortunately, I don't have to pay toll charges on top of the monthly fee. The satellite internet costs about $60/month with 5 email address (no that I'd use them all). 10 mb of web space is provided by both systems. The satellite company I'm considering is explornet . Maybe they have service in your area. Rupert Ps. I don't like Webshots or other similar sites either because of all the advertising. Jerry Evans wrote: > At 07:00 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote: >> Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:57:32 -0000 >> From: "Dave Croft" > > >> > > > >> Hi Jerry, I hope it isn't too big for you but I have posted it at >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/Engineers%20diary.jpg >> Dave Croft > > Hi Dave, > Thanks for going to the trouble - I got it and enjoyed it. 300 > H.P. and 250 H.P. in 1916 must have been something to behold. > In the meantime I had help and advice from Larry Evans and can > now also get it off webshots but it is still slower than a non > advertising supported site. > Dolly also gave me some advice a week or 2 ago and I went and > had a look at the Firefox plugins page. I found an ad blocker there > which installed very quickly and easily and does seem to help a bit with > speed but I still cannot stand Webshots :-) > As a point of interest Webshots shows up completely differently > in Firefox to what it looks like in Netscape or IE. The main thing is > that the small row of Icons at the bottom of the pic does not show at > all in Firefox (mine at least) and this has probably been one of my main > problems. Larry mentioned that he clicked on the magnifier to show the > image full size (which also breaks it out of the "Flash" thing) and > could then right click and "Save Image" so I looked around the page and > found a text link in the top right that does the same - thereafter the > pic loads and I can see (and save) it. In Netscape if I hover the > pointer over one of these icons (mouseover) a small text description of > the icons purpose shows yet this does not happen in IE unless I refresh > the page. this may have to do with the ads trying to load > > At the bottom of one of these posts from SEL (I get the digest > so it will be in the last 24 hours) I see someone in the States > advertising broadband from $13.33/month. This is about 1/4 of what my > slow dialup connection here in S.A. costs and then I still have the per > minute rate to pay to the Telkom. > I estimate that it costs me approximately ZAR 900.00 ($125.00 approx) > for the privilege of being able to access the Internet. Broadband will > cost me about 3 to 4 times as much. > Our problem is that there is only 1 fixed line telephone > provider here and it is a monopoly (not only that but the government is > the main shareholder) and they charge what they like. Our telephone > charges have skyrocketed in the last 6 or 7 years for the simple reason > that there has been pressure on the government to allow a second fixed > line operator so the existing one has just pushed up prices to allow > them to "improve" their network at our cost. They agreed to allow a > second operator about 5 or 6 years ago but the existing operator has > been blocking and stalling them with legal action and court cases and > suchlike. A second operator has now been named but it will still take > them years to roll out their network and it will only start in the > bigger centres so may take a very long time to reach us out here in the > country. > I've been connecting to the internet since 1991 when it was > still just bulletin boards and a 14.4 Kbps modem on an XT. IE was not > even around yet and spam was something that you ate from a tin. A local > call cost about 29c (thats 4c US at todays rates) irrespective of how > long you were connected. Since then I (and all South Africans) have had > to endure skyrocketing prices and a service that has been getting worse > and worse. > So please forgive me if I sometimes get cranky about internet > connections. It's probably aimed at our rip off telephone company. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From brianne at ultratune.com.au Fri Nov 10 22:07:04 2006 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:07:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Contact Message-ID: <012d01c70557$9d8c74f0$9fc5dccb@brian> Hi Folks I am trying to contact Arthur Southwell who originally contacted me via this list. I have 2 email addresses, both bounce back. asouth42 at earthlink.net and asouth at strato.net The first one is from his web page. Can anyone please help? Regards Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness. 07-4124 6526 WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Nov 11 00:55:59 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:55:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Contact In-Reply-To: <012d01c70557$9d8c74f0$9fc5dccb@brian> Message-ID: <5ci99c$go3aqe@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony8.iinet.net.au> Brian I pasted your email to him on Skype chat. If he logs onto Skype he will see it Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Taylor Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2006 2:07 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Contact Hi Folks I am trying to contact Arthur Southwell who originally contacted me via this list. I have 2 email addresses, both bounce back. asouth42 at earthlink.net and asouth at strato.net The first one is from his web page. Can anyone please help? Regards Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness. 07-4124 6526 WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 06:33:15 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:33:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Ted brookover's website. Message-ID: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as requested by Jennifer Brookover. The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the changes. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Nov 11 06:38:57 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:38:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Telescopic Bollards Message-ID: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> I was talking on Skype with Curt Andree this morning & gave him an address to show how these are used & misused in the UK. He said they were not common in the USA & you would find them of interest. They are used in city & large town centres to keep them for pedestrians but still allow bus's & Ambulances to gain access. Some motorists used to closely follow a legal user to cross before the bollard came up. The latest ones now work much faster & the miscreants suffer. See http://tinyurl.com/y7fhbt Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 09:10:05 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:10:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. In-Reply-To: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160611110910q3132bddejec5958ea67c82ddc@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/06, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as > requested by Jennifer Brookover. > > The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the changes. > All done, site is back online again. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Nov 11 10:02:10 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:02:10 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160611110910q3132bddejec5958ea67c82ddc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004b01c705bb$83ce5830$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: Cc: "Stationary-Engine" Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 5:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. > On 11/11/06, Listerdiesel wrote: >> We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as >> requested by Jennifer Brookover. >> >> The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the changes. > > All done, site is back online again. > Peter A Forbes Hi Peter, Is the site you mention http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ ? Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 11 10:41:32 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:41:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Telescopic Bollards In-Reply-To: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> References: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061111133959.04494418@mail.alltel.net> Looks like something we could use MORE of here in the USA. Perhaps Nancy will see to it that MORE are installed in order to make everyone safe from harm! Dave At 09:38 AM 11/11/2006, you wrote: >I was talking on Skype with Curt Andree this morning & gave him an address >to show how these are used & misused in the UK. >He said they were not common in the USA & you would find them of interest. >They are used in city & large town centres to keep them for pedestrians >but still allow bus's & Ambulances to gain access. >Some motorists used to closely follow a legal user to cross before the >bollard came up. >The latest ones now work much faster & the miscreants suffer. >See http://tinyurl.com/y7fhbt >Dave Croft From rwenig at telus.net Sat Nov 11 10:50:03 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:50:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] An engine tale from 1916/webshots In-Reply-To: <45555015.9090605@telus.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061111004234.00acf928@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <45555015.9090605@telus.net> Message-ID: <45561B5B.20509@telus.net> Hello Group, It has been brought to my attention the the link I gave to Explorenet is no good. Sorry for not checking it before I sent it. I did some searching and came up with this page which is familiar The site is changed since I last looked at it. It appears that the name" Explorenet has split off and is the Canadian name now. Here is a link to another broad band company that is world wide . Or, paste this link into Google for a lot more which I haven't checked out. Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello Jerry, > Paying toll charges by the minute sure can add up. Have you checked > into a satellite internet connection? I've been thinking about it myself. > Dialup costs me 33.60/month for 100 hours connect time and two email > addresses. Fortunately, I don't have to pay toll charges on top of the > monthly fee. The satellite internet costs about $60/month with 5 email > address (no that I'd use them all). 10 mb of web space is provided by > both systems. The satellite company I'm considering is explornet > . Maybe they have service in your area. > > Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 11:40:28 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:40:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. In-Reply-To: <004b01c705bb$83ce5830$e5c30b52@no1> References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160611110910q3132bddejec5958ea67c82ddc@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c705bb$83ce5830$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <6f6025160611111140s7357f7fcgd4262619c4d66d74@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/06, Dave Croft wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: > Cc: "Stationary-Engine" > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 5:10 PM > Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. > > > > On 11/11/06, Listerdiesel wrote: > >> We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as > >> requested by Jennifer Brookover. > >> > >> The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the changes. > > > > All done, site is back online again. > > Peter A Forbes > > Hi Peter, Is the site you mention > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ ? > Dave Croft Yes, Dave, do you have a problem with the site loading? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pcgray at zoominternet.net Sat Nov 11 12:17:44 2006 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:17:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] De-rusting + Phosphoric acid In-Reply-To: <200611111700.kABH058E023509@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Folks- Dont forget that if you use this stuff for crankcases, you can coat the inside with gas tank sealer or Glyptal after derusting.. I add lampblack to my sealer so it does not look white. This will keep the loose stuff, if any , bonded to the metal. Epoxy would also work. I recommend heating the parts to ~250 -300F sans babbitt to completely dry them out B4 coating. My friend George Coates finished repairing the crankcase on a 2 HP Bovaird which originally had a patch on the crankcase which I had him weld in with a cast patch.The piece was broken out to get at the rod. I splashed on the other side of the block to make a pattern; now even has the parting seam on the crankcase. Of course, he coated the inside with Corlar (sp) epoxy. It was full of rust when I started; pix at http://www.ghcoates.com/Barker.htm Mi dos centavos- Paul From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Nov 11 12:25:39 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:25:39 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160611110910q3132bddejec5958ea67c82ddc@mail.gmail.com><004b01c705bb$83ce5830$e5c30b52@no1> <6f6025160611111140s7357f7fcgd4262619c4d66d74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701c705cf$8ea5fb00$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. > On 11/11/06, Dave Croft wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Listerdiesel" >> To: >> Cc: "Stationary-Engine" >> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 5:10 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Re: Ted brookover's website. >> >> >> > On 11/11/06, Listerdiesel wrote: >> >> We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as >> >> requested by Jennifer Brookover. >> >> >> >> The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the changes. >> > >> > All done, site is back online again. >> > Peter A Forbes >> >> Hi Peter, Is the site you mention >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ ? >> Dave Croft > > Yes, Dave, do you have a problem with the site loading? > Peter A Forbes No Peter, I was just checking I had worked out the correct site! Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Nov 11 16:53:39 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:53:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Telescopic Bollards In-Reply-To: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> References: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <45567093.3060601@steamengine.com.au> Cool! I particularly like the one who hit it hard enough to set off his air bag :) Paul Dave Croft wrote: > I was talking on Skype with Curt Andree this morning & gave him an > address to show how these are used & misused in the UK. > He said they were not common in the USA & you would find them of > interest. > They are used in city & large town centres to keep them for pedestrians > but still allow bus's & Ambulances to gain access. > Some motorists used to closely follow a legal user to cross before the > bollard came up. > The latest ones now work much faster & the miscreants suffer. > See http://tinyurl.com/y7fhbt > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Nov 11 18:00:32 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:00:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT Telescopic Bollards In-Reply-To: <01e101c705fc$148e5c40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> <01e101c705fc$148e5c40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <45568040.90604@steamengine.com.au> Reg, I think it is a good way to stop people who shouldn't be entering certain areas from doing it when they seem to be deliberately misusing the bus access - the guy in the black suv/van for example - why would you try to follow a bus at a much greater speed than the bus (which has just moved off) unless you were deliberately trying to beat the bollard system to go somewhere you're not allowed to go. For his air bag to go off, he had to be doing at least 40km/h because they don't normally deploy under that. That implies he waited until the bus was about to move off then planted it. Couldn't be anything but deliberate. The little white car tried twice until she got creamed. The guy in the white delivery van who face planted on the windscreen might want to both consider a safety belt and not going where he isn't meant to. I fully support the closing of central parts of cities (and in some cases towns) to traffic - allowing everyone to drive in is unmanageable as the number of cars in the system grows without bound. I can think of great places for them in Melbourne - there are tram only and bus only roads here that people in cars often use defeating the purpose of having them because they get blocked up with cars. The special bus lanes at lights to get the bus ahead of the traffic would be another good example. I've seen a similar system used to good effect on bridges to change the traffic flow - they're going to do it on the Westgate here soon. Currently it is fixed as three lanes in each direction. They're planning on altering the traffic with automatic bollards to allow 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 lanes in one direction and whatever is left in the other direction to cope with the peak traffic flows. The system is used on the Golden Gate (although they are manually placed in holes in the deck). I wouldn't mind a set at the bottom of my driveway to stop all the bastards who use my drive to turn in and rip up my gravel when they leave spraying it all over the yard, my cars and the road. I wouldn't mind the turners if they're accelerator did not seem to be glued to the floor when they were leaving. Paul R & M Ingold wrote: > I dont seem to get what is happening here. > How is it there are cars,etc. EACH SIDE of the barrier? > So, is it a safety thing? > Is it a revenue thing ? > Or is it a way of bringing business to the local repairers? > One thing for sure. With a smashed car blocking things, Nobody is > going to get anywhere! So what is the point? > Sheer bloody mindedness? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" > To: "atis" > Cc: "Old Engine" > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 1:38 AM > Subject: OT Telescopic Bollards > > >> I was talking on Skype with Curt Andree this morning & gave him an >> address to show how these are used & misused in the UK. >> He said they were not common in the USA & you would find them of >> interest. >> They are used in city & large town centres to keep them for pedestrians >> but still allow bus's & Ambulances to gain access. >> Some motorists used to closely follow a legal user to cross before >> the bollard came up. >> The latest ones now work much faster & the miscreants suffer. >> See http://tinyurl.com/y7fhbt >> Dave Croft > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From dleis at centurytel.net Sat Nov 11 20:31:26 2006 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:31:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] waiting for parts from Hit & miss References: <20061110062455.10AB499E1B@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <002301c70613$6b392180$0501a8c0@computer> Hi thanks guys for your reply i am going to call Ed again on Manday. Stacy From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 11 18:38:35 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:38:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Telescopic Bollards In-Reply-To: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> References: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <4556892B.3080206@scrtc.com> Dave, Pretty common here in the US in certain places such as DC and around national monuments. You didn't see many of them before 9/11 but more and more of them are coming into use. The ones here in the US aren't used particularly for pedestrian safety but for security purposes. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Croft wrote: > I was talking on Skype with Curt Andree this morning & gave him an > address to show how these are used & misused in the UK. > He said they were not common in the USA & you would find them of > interest. > They are used in city & large town centres to keep them for pedestrians > but still allow bus's & Ambulances to gain access. > Some motorists used to closely follow a legal user to cross before the > bollard came up. > The latest ones now work much faster & the miscreants suffer. > See http://tinyurl.com/y7fhbt > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From dleis at centurytel.net Sat Nov 11 20:40:36 2006 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:40:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Evapo-rust Message-ID: <002c01c70614$b423b4e0$0501a8c0@computer> Just wanted let everyone know that Evapo-rust is know available at AutoZone stores know http://www.evapo-rust.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=154&Itemid=1 Stacy From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 11 17:53:17 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:53:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More Pictures of the Restoration on My Stover Message-ID: <00a301c705fd$5388af80$240110ac@FAMILY> For those who are following along with me as I restore my 1905 Vertical 5 HP Stover I have added more pictures tonight. When you open the WebShots Album below use the "Skip to Photo" block and go to picture 199 and start there. I used a Phosphoric Acid de-rust process in the bottom of the block and I took pictures of this whole process as well as put captions on each picture. http://community.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=554884600&key=StYIhb Again I invite all suggestions, advice, comments, and criticism when done in a constructive way. Thanks, Paul From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Nov 12 03:03:30 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:03:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Evapo-rust Message-ID: <111220061103.26682.4556FF820000D4AE0000683A219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> So Stacy is evaporust any cheaper at Auto Zone versus getting it direct from the manufacturer? Curt Andree > Just wanted let everyone know that Evapo-rust is know available at AutoZone > stores know > http://www.evapo-rust.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=154&Itemid=1 > > Stacy > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dleis at centurytel.net Sun Nov 12 10:54:13 2006 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 10:54:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Evapo-rust References: <111220061103.26682.4556FF820000D4AE0000683A219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000b01c7068b$f2a0e540$0501a8c0@computer> Hi Curt I don't know I just seen it on Evapo-rust web site. I checked at one Auto Zone store and they did not have it in yet. Stacy From reb at apex.net Sun Nov 12 09:12:03 2006 From: reb at apex.net (Dickie) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:12:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Repair Message-ID: <000e01c7067d$ace6e440$0202a8c0@Dads> Found an interesting site on cast iron repair. http://www.locknstitch.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Nov 12 11:03:57 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:03:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Telescopic Bollards References: <003701c7059f$20423fa0$e5c30b52@no1> <4556892B.3080206@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001901c7068d$4f771c70$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Telescopic Bollards > Dave, > Pretty common here in the US in certain places such as DC and around > national monuments. You didn't see many of them before 9/11 but more > and more of them are coming into use. The ones here in the US aren't > used particularly for pedestrian safety but for security purposes. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY Hi Tommy, Do you think they use these new security bollards made in the UK. See below & download the video. http://www.atgaccess.com/channelfiveatgaccessbollardtest.htm Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From ihcboggs at jayco.net Sun Nov 12 12:56:03 2006 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne & Casey Boggs) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:56:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Allen Magneto Tester Instruction Manual Message-ID: <000a01c7069d$40665970$0e5328cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Does anyone have a manual or Instruction book on the Allen Magneto Tester? We are looking for one. If anyone knows, please let us know. Thanks DeWayne Boggs From ocleveland at cfl.rr.com Sun Nov 12 13:32:29 2006 From: ocleveland at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:32:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Colors. Message-ID: <018a01c706a2$0e6f1ce0$6ad7bd48@YOURDA6F5028CB> Does anyone remember the correct color and dupont number for IHC "M" Engines? Skip From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 12 15:57:34 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:57:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IHC Colors. Message-ID: <20061112.155734.1848.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Skip. Wendel says: Adirondack green, # 84155. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:32:29 -0500 "Skip Cleveland" writes: > Does anyone remember the correct color and dupont number for IHC "M" > Engines? > Skip > From ocleveland at cfl.rr.com Sun Nov 12 16:17:14 2006 From: ocleveland at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:17:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Colors. References: <20061112.155734.1848.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <01d901c706b9$12a15d70$6ad7bd48@YOURDA6F5028CB> You are a gentleman and a scholar. The guy that bought my "M" scratched it up showing it off on the way back to Alabama via Omaha. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Colors. > Hi Skip. > Wendel says: Adirondack green, # 84155. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:32:29 -0500 "Skip Cleveland" > writes: >> Does anyone remember the correct color and dupont number for IHC "M" >> Engines? >> Skip >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Nov 12 18:16:05 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:16:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Allen Magneto Tester Instruction Manual References: <000a01c7069d$40665970$0e5328cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <004801c706c9$ad2959f0$69e94c0c@D48VHZ61> Is yours one of the white floor model machines that will also test generators, if so I may can help. Pretty much testing mags on ours is just spinning it to see how hot it is on impulse and then speed it up until it quits impulsing and see how hot it is there. Alot of mags are hotter on impulse than at operating speed. Rule of thumb I have always been taught is you need a 6mm (1/4") arc. You can deal with a little less than that but if you are hand cranking you need all you can get. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "DeWayne & Casey Boggs" To: Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: [SEL] Allen Magneto Tester Instruction Manual Does anyone have a manual or Instruction book on the Allen Magneto Tester? We are looking for one. If anyone knows, please let us know. Thanks DeWayne Boggs _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 12 19:58:38 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:58:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Literature needed Message-ID: <014401c706d8$00b36d50$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok gang I submitted a post a little while back for information on 3/4 HP Sattley, I notice that this post has not made it to the list yet so I want to follow it with this one which expands on my last post. These little engines, 3/4 HP, as most of you know anyway were sold under the name of Nelson Brothers, Sattley, Montgomery Ward and Stover 501. Surely someone has some sort of literature on this engine that they could share with me for a friend of mine who is not on the list. If anyone has any of this literature, or now of someone who does, please contact me. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 12 14:45:00 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:45:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for 3/4 HP Sattley Message-ID: <009401c706ac$3009aaf0$240110ac@FAMILY> Does anyone have any 3/4 HP Sattley parts for sale, if so, I would like to hear from you. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 12 18:05:12 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:05:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3/4 HP Sattley Literature Message-ID: <00d801c706c8$27e58e90$240110ac@FAMILY> Anyone for any literature on a 3/4HP Sattley engine? Paul From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 13 08:11:08 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:11:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Repair In-Reply-To: <000e01c7067d$ace6e440$0202a8c0@Dads> References: <000e01c7067d$ace6e440$0202a8c0@Dads> Message-ID: <4558991C.5050908@imc-group.com> Dickie, A while back I needed to repair a crack that was about 16" long. L&S's quote for the parts, including special taps, etc, was $800 for the parts!!! It looks like a wonderful system when you watch the tape, but goodness, it surely is expensive! I did a very successful brazing repair instead. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Dickie wrote: >Found an interesting site on cast iron repair. > >http://www.locknstitch.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 13 08:48:40 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:48:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses Message-ID: <20061113.114938.996.15.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Please verify the word "Molasses". Are you talking about the stuff you eat, or some "product" to remove rust ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Nov 13 09:33:45 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:33:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses Message-ID: <410-2200611113173345187@coastalnet.com> Hi Joe, We are referring to any form of molasses. Some folks have used the powdered molasses used to mix in horse feed, and some of us have used real molasses and some have used sorghum syrup, which is what I have used. I had a bad batch of syrup so saved it and keep a mixture of syrup and water in a vat. Here is a page I made showing it's use: http://www.syrupmakers.com/rust/ Take care. Ken Christison check out my gallery at: www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery www.oldiron-nut.com > [Original Message] > From: Joseph L Betz > To: > Date: 11/13/2006 12:06:18 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses > > Hi List, > > Please verify the word "Molasses". > > Are you talking about the stuff you eat, or some > "product" to remove rust ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." > (_o_) From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 13 09:21:46 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:21:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <410-2200611113173345187@coastalnet.com> References: <410-2200611113173345187@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, Here's another description of a molasses derusting product. Their molasses is made from beets. http://www.rustbeeter.com/index.html Ken, how do the types of "molasses" you describe compare in terms of cost? I'm guessing that powdered molasses as a feed suppliment would be fairly cheap in bulk at a feed store? See ya, Arnie On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Ken Christison wrote: > We are referring to any form of molasses. Some folks have used > the powdered molasses used to mix in horse feed, and some of us > have used real molasses and some have used sorghum syrup, > which is what I have used. I had a bad batch of syrup so saved it > and keep a mixture of syrup and water in a vat. Here is a page > I made showing it's use: http://www.syrupmakers.com/rust/ From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 13 10:14:02 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:14:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061113181402.14203.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Horse feed molasses is what I use. Buy it by the bag and add half a bag to 50 gal of water. Works fine. Ron Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Joe, Here's another description of a molasses derusting product. Their molasses is made from beets. http://www.rustbeeter.com/index.html Ken, how do the types of "molasses" you describe compare in terms of cost? I'm guessing that powdered molasses as a feed suppliment would be fairly cheap in bulk at a feed store? See ya, Arnie On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Ken Christison wrote: > We are referring to any form of molasses. Some folks have used > the powdered molasses used to mix in horse feed, and some of us > have used real molasses and some have used sorghum syrup, > which is what I have used. I had a bad batch of syrup so saved it > and keep a mixture of syrup and water in a vat. Here is a page > I made showing it's use: http://www.syrupmakers.com/rust/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 13 10:25:42 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:25:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses In-Reply-To: <20061113.114938.996.15.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20061113.114938.996.15.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <3714.165.206.180.19.1163442342.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Also used in livestock feed if I recall....... Bill > Hi List, > > Please verify the word "Molasses". > > Are you talking about the stuff you eat, or some > "product" to remove rust ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." > (_o_) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 13 10:27:29 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:27:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses In-Reply-To: <410-2200611113173345187@coastalnet.com> References: <410-2200611113173345187@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <3725.165.206.180.19.1163442449.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> May I reference that from my own electrolysis pages? Good photos, etc. Bill > Hi Joe, > > We are referring to any form of molasses. Some folks have used > the powdered molasses used to mix in horse feed, and some of us > have used real molasses and some have used sorghum syrup, > which is what I have used. I had a bad batch of syrup so saved it > and keep a mixture of syrup and water in a vat. Here is a page > I made showing it's use: http://www.syrupmakers.com/rust/ > > Take care. > > Ken Christison > check out my gallery at: > www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery > www.oldiron-nut.com > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Joseph L Betz >> To: >> Date: 11/13/2006 12:06:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now > Molasses >> >> Hi List, >> >> Please verify the word "Molasses". >> >> Are you talking about the stuff you eat, or some >> "product" to remove rust ? >> >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >> ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >> \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." >> (_o_) > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Mon Nov 13 10:37:03 2006 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:37:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ted brookover's website. In-Reply-To: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4558BB4F.1070900@zoominternet.net> I didn't realize Ted passed away. Very Belated Condolences to his family. Ed Listerdiesel wrote: > We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as > requested by Jennifer Brookover. > > The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the > changes. > > Peter From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 13 10:10:18 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:10:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <20061113181402.14203.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061113181402.14203.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, About how much does a bag cost? See ya, Arnie On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > Horse feed molasses is what I use. Buy it by the bag and add half a bag > to 50 gal of water. Works fine. From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 13 10:43:46 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:43:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting Message-ID: <20061113.134809.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Arnie, Now I'm really confused. Is this the same Molasses I use on my pancakes ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 13 10:33:52 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:33:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses Message-ID: <20061113.134809.508.2.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Ken, I've eaten Molasses on my pancakes & such. Just couldn't see it removing any rust. Thanks for the info. The pics sure are convincing. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 13 10:34:23 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:34:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <20061113.134809.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20061113.134809.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Well, you'll never need to worry about anemia... On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Now I'm really confused. > Is this the same Molasses I use on my pancakes ? From mmco at cox-internet.com Mon Nov 13 11:26:57 2006 From: mmco at cox-internet.com (Bo) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:26:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Repair References: <000e01c7067d$ace6e440$0202a8c0@Dads> <4558991C.5050908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00a301c70759$af896790$6500a8c0@MMCO> Have you tried soldering the crack . As long as it isn`t in an area where there is high heat or a lot of pressure , soldering works real good and is easy to do , even on cast iron . Bo Hinch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast Iron Repair Dickie, A while back I needed to repair a crack that was about 16" long. L&S's quote for the parts, including special taps, etc, was $800 for the parts!!! It looks like a wonderful system when you watch the tape, but goodness, it surely is expensive! I did a very successful brazing repair instead. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Dickie wrote: >Found an interesting site on cast iron repair. > >http://www.locknstitch.com >_______________________________________________ From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 13 10:56:58 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:56:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Now Molasses In-Reply-To: <20061113.134809.508.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20061113.134809.508.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: So Joe, have you noticed any rust on your pancake fork? 8-)) I rest my case... On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Joseph L Betz wrote: > I've eaten Molasses on my pancakes & such. > Just couldn't see it removing any rust. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 13 11:59:54 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:59:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Ever Used Phosphoric Acid to DeRust - Now Molasses In-Reply-To: <20061113.134809.508.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20061113.134809.508.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4558CEBA.2020100@imc-group.com> Joe, That's because, according to Sylvia, you're not the least bit rusty! :-) Curt Joseph L Betz wrote: I've eaten Molasses on my pancakes & such. Just couldn't see it removing any rust. From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 13 13:26:29 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:26:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061113212629.89012.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't remember for sure but as I recall it runs 6 to 7 bucks a 50 lb. bag. Ron Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Ron, About how much does a bag cost? See ya, Arnie On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > Horse feed molasses is what I use. Buy it by the bag and add half a bag > to 50 gal of water. Works fine. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Nov 13 15:07:27 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:07:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ted brookover's website. References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> <4558BB4F.1070900@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <01ba01c70778$7fc18f50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> It hit us all hard,at Portland show, when we heard the news! A big loss for us all. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Tabor" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ted brookover's website. >I didn't realize Ted passed away. Very Belated Condolences to his family. > > Ed > > > Listerdiesel wrote: > >> We have taken Ted's website off-line while we make changes as >> requested by Jennifer Brookover. >> >> The site should be back in an hour or so, once she has approved the >> changes. >> >> Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Nov 13 15:34:18 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:34:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <20061113.134809.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20061113.134809.508.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <608B445D-FDAB-479D-A8DE-07D2A839E902@rustyiron.com> On Nov 13, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Now I'm really confused. > > Is this the same Molasses I use on my pancakes ? Hi Joe, It's not really the molasses that removes the rust, but the molasses and water make a very sweet, nutritious soup. You're dirty. Your bucket, the air, your hands, they're all filthy. Everything around you is infected with bacteria, which end up in your derusting solution. The little creepy crawlies start eating the tasty sugars and humping. The bugs are very prolific and all that humping makes them hungry. Before long, there are billions and billions of bugs in your soup, eating, peeing and fornicating. Interestingly, the bug piddle is acid. They eat the sugar and excrete acid. It is that acid that effects the rust on your engine parts. Rob From reb at apex.net Mon Nov 13 16:59:25 2006 From: reb at apex.net (Dickie) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:59:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Repair References: <000e01c7067d$ace6e440$0202a8c0@Dads> <4558991C.5050908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000801c70788$21d56b90$0202a8c0@Dads> Curt I didn't price it but I figured it would be pricey. Just thought it was an interesting repair job. Dickie Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast Iron Repair > Dickie, > A while back I needed to repair a crack that was about 16" long. L&S's > quote for the parts, including special taps, etc, was $800 for the > parts!!! > It looks like a wonderful system when you watch the tape, but goodness, it > surely is expensive! I did a very successful brazing repair instead. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Dickie wrote: > >>Found an interesting site on cast iron repair. >> >>http://www.locknstitch.com >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 13 15:32:02 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:32:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ted brookover's website. In-Reply-To: <4558BB4F.1070900@zoominternet.net> References: <6f6025160611110633q5c3b5daw2aea415eacb57588@mail.gmail.com> <4558BB4F.1070900@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061113183102.03a21ea8@mail.alltel.net> At 01:37 PM 11/13/2006, you wrote: >I didn't realize Ted passed away. Very Belated Condolences to his family. >Ed The SEL sent flowers to the funeral home in the name of everyone on the List! Dave From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 13 17:50:54 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:50:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting Message-ID: <20061113.205642.848.2.jlb94@juno.com> But - If I were the "Tin Man", I'd be okay - Right ? Follow the Yellow Brick Road !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From edurand at iglou.com Tue Nov 14 07:31:57 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:31:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <608B445D-FDAB-479D-A8DE-07D2A839E902@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Rob: Thanks for the explanation........I think! Eccch! All that nasty stuff going on in my pancakes! I think I'll have to use honey from now on out. AND don't 'splain anything about the chemistry of honey! I don't wanna know! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Rob Skinner > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 05:34 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting > > > On Nov 13, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > > Now I'm really confused. > > > > Is this the same Molasses I use on my pancakes ? > > Hi Joe, > It's not really the molasses that removes the > rust, but the molasses > and water make a very sweet, nutritious soup. > You're dirty. Your > bucket, the air, your hands, they're all filthy. > Everything around > you is infected with bacteria, which end up in > your derusting > solution. The little creepy crawlies start > eating the tasty sugars > and humping. The bugs are very prolific and all > that humping makes > them hungry. Before long, there are billions and > billions of bugs in > your soup, eating, peeing and fornicating. > Interestingly, the bug > piddle is acid. They eat the sugar and excrete > acid. It is that > acid that effects the rust on your engine parts. > > Rob From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 14 07:05:26 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:05:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting Message-ID: <20061114.103702.904.4.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Rob, That ( the bug story ) sounds so rediculous - It has to be true. It also makes sense. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 14 08:36:11 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:36:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4559F07B.2060502@imc-group.com> >>Interestingly, the bug >>piddle is acid. They eat the sugar and excrete >>acid. It is that >>acid that effects the rust on your engine parts. >> >>Rob >> >> Interesting that it is simply the creation of acid that does the trick. I don't have near the patience for the molasses method, hence why I used the 20% sulfuric acid to clean the inside of the cast iron tank on the last engine I did. In two hours it was done. I'd suspect the sulfuric acid was cheaper than the molasses would have been. I think I paid less than a dollar a gallon for the 99% pure stuff. Bot 5 gallons..... Curt From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Nov 14 08:39:37 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:39:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a1f5b4dc04691cd88b4b616bc272107@chartertn.net> > AND don't 'splain anything about the chemistry of honey! I don't > wanna know! What have you got against eating bee puke, Elden? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Nov 14 08:42:02 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:42:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <20061114.103702.904.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20061114.103702.904.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20061114083142.04aa7e78@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> At 07:05 AM 11/14/2006, you wrote: >Thanks Rob, > >That ( the bug story ) sounds so rediculous - It has to be true. > >It also makes sense. Joe, A few years ago my brother was curious as to what was happening in the molasses solution and was able to contact a chemist at the U. S. Sugar Corp. in Florida. As you can see he said the same thing Rob did, just a little different terminology. >Thanks for your inquiry on using molasses for rust removal. We've heard of >lots of uses for molasses but this is a "first". We have run tests on >undiluted molasses and liquid feed nutritional supplements manufactured >with molasses to estimate the effects of molasses on erosion of metal from >storage vessels. In their "undilute" form these products are generally >less "corrosive" than distilled water. In the dilute form you describe I'm >confident you're getting a microbial fermentation process likely involving >both bacteria and yeast fermentations (as evidenced by the foaming you >describe). Some of the products of fermentation are short chain fatty >acids which will make soluble various cationic minerals, among them iron. >A bit of trivia regarding this topic and perhaps quotable documentation >follows: > >Gillman et al (American Journal of Pathology 35:349-368, 1959) reported >that members of the Bantu tribe (in Africa) experienced hemosiderosis >(iron toxicity) as a result of brewing (fermenting) beer in iron utensils. >The by-products of fermentation apparently solublized the iron and upon >drinking the brew resulted in extremely high dietary iron intakes. > >The moral of this story is that you and your antique-restoring buddies >probably shouldn't partake of this molasses-based cleaning solution (brew) >but it should be an appropriate and harmless nutrient solution for >watering household plants! > >Again, thanks for your inquiry and sharing with us your very interesting >application of molasses. > >Regards, > >Chet > >Dr. Chet Fields, Ph.D., PAS >Mgr., Product Development & Nutrition >Molasses & Liquid Feed Dept. >U. S. Sugar Corp. >P. O. Drawer 1207 >111 Ponce de Leon Ave. >Clewiston, FL 33440 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From edurand at iglou.com Tue Nov 14 10:25:34 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:25:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <3a1f5b4dc04691cd88b4b616bc272107@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Aww, John! Bee spit or bee puke, I knew that - only didn't want to remember. Now, I suppose you'll quote W.C. Fields on drinking water. Geez! Always gotta be somebody tellin' us after eatin' them biscuits 'n butter about finding the turd in the churn! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:40 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting > > > > AND don't 'splain anything about the chemistry > of honey! I don't > > wanna know! > > What have you got against eating bee puke, Elden? > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Nov 14 10:24:04 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:24:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20061114083142.04aa7e78@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <20061114.103702.904.4.jlb94@juno.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20061114083142.04aa7e78@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >> Gillman et al (American Journal of Pathology 35:349-368, 1959) >> reported that members of the Bantu tribe (in Africa) experienced >> hemosiderosis (iron toxicity) as a result of brewing (fermenting) >> beer in iron utensils. The by-products of fermentation apparently >> solublized the iron and upon drinking the brew resulted in extremely >> high dietary iron intakes. So, if you donate blood (or menstruate) regularly, drinking beer fermented in iron pots just might be good for you! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Nov 14 10:28:34 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:28:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Now, I suppose you'll quote W.C. Fields on drinking water. Yeah, fish do EVERYTHING in it. > Geez! Always gotta be somebody tellin' us after eatin' them biscuits > 'n butter about finding the turd in the churn! Hey, we could talk about hot dogs, and chicken, peanut butter, cereal... And how about what gets done on those fresh fruits and vegetables? That recent pathogenic E. coli outbreak from fresh spinach seems to have come from wild hogs doodying on it. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edurand at iglou.com Tue Nov 14 14:05:16 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:05:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Excuse me.......I think I'm going to be ill.......... Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:29 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting > > > > Now, I suppose you'll quote W.C. Fields on > drinking water. > > Yeah, fish do EVERYTHING in it. > > > Geez! Always gotta be somebody tellin' us > after eatin' them biscuits > > 'n butter about finding the turd in the churn! > > Hey, we could talk about hot dogs, and chicken, > peanut butter, cereal... > > And how about what gets done on those fresh > fruits and vegetables? That > recent pathogenic E. coli outbreak from fresh > spinach seems to have > come from wild hogs doodying on it. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Nov 14 15:48:39 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:48:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Molasses Derusting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You must've drunk the water. John On Nov 14, 2006, at 5:05 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: > Excuse me.......I think I'm going to be ill.......... > > Take care - Elden John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Nov 15 04:14:15 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:14:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings Message-ID: Howdy all; The Fordson engine block is now completely stripped. Thinking about having the block boiled at the local engine rebuild shop. Question is: "Will this dissolve the babbitt?" TIA, RickinMt. From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Nov 15 06:39:07 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:39:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061115091334.02f06020@pop3.wcoil.com> I think he means eat it up or melt it. It depends on the solutions, caustics will eat up or disolve aluminum so it might babbit, I don't know but I would be wary of it. Around here its hard to find a shop that boils anymore. Years ago all but one switched to baking in our area that I know of. Main reason was it leaves less contaminated fluids to pay to dispose of. (READ Expensive) Baking will of course melt or soften the babbit. If its the newer heated environmentally friendly solvents It probably would not. But I don't know if the heat used would damage the babbit. The shop should know the capabilities or their cleaning methods. So Just ask em. And if the say it will not damage it make sure to get a guarantee of that in writing. TTYL, Mark At 07:14 AM 11/15/06, you wrote: >Howdy all; > The Fordson engine block is now completely stripped. Thinking about >having the block boiled at the local engine rebuild shop. > > Question is: "Will this dissolve the babbitt?" > >TIA, >RickinMt. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 15 09:51:54 2006 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:51:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Elden's Ill Message-ID: "Excuse me.......I think I'm going to be ill.......... Take care - Elden" Doc John, before Elden's out of the mood, explain fig fertilization to him... Them Newtons will never be the same. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Nov 15 13:56:22 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:56:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Elden's Ill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MMMMMMM-mmmmmm, I love figs! And fig newtons! http://waynesword.palomar.edu/pljune99.htm JOhn On Nov 15, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Bruce Younger wrote: > "Excuse me.......I think I'm going to be ill.......... > > Take care - Elden" > > Doc John, before Elden's out of the mood, explain fig fertilization to > him... > > > Them Newtons will never be the same. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 15 17:10:01 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:10:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Parts Diagram for 1905 Stover Message-ID: <005e01c7091b$f1d73b90$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I am in need of a Parts Diagram for my 1905 Vertical Stover. Does anyone have one or know of anyone that might? Thanks, Paul From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 16 02:36:30 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:36:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith Message-ID: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a selection of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Nov 16 03:11:35 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:11:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Need Parts Diagram for 1905 Stover Message-ID: <111620061111.6518.455C47670004713600001976219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Old Buddy thats a odd request. With the some 200+ detailed photos you have taken one would think you could make your own parts diagram! Curt > Folks I am in need of a Parts Diagram for my 1905 Vertical Stover. Does anyone > have one or know of anyone that might? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Nov 16 03:36:59 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:36:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] To Curt Holland Message-ID: <01b401c70973$aeb6e7e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Sorry but, due to all mail from me to Curt being rejected and returned, I have to use the list to ask him why. Until I get him to sort it, I am removing him from my address book. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 16 05:13:44 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 06:13:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings References: <6.2.1.2.1.20061115091334.02f06020@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark...I need to find out exactly what solution they use here nowdays. "Hot Tank" in my lingo, was the ole Trichlorethlene(sp)in a big tank and it was heated. The vapors did the work and work well it did. I'd like to keep the babbitt as is, with minimal cleaning/scrapping..it is soooo thin. Regards, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings > I think he means eat it up or melt it. It depends on the solutions, > caustics will eat up or disolve aluminum so it might babbit, I don't know > but I would be wary of it. Around here its hard to find a shop that boils > anymore. Years ago all but one switched to baking in our area that I know > of. Main reason was it leaves less contaminated fluids to pay to dispose > of. (READ Expensive) Baking will of course melt or soften the babbit. > If its the newer heated environmentally friendly solvents It probably > would > not. But I don't know if the heat used would damage the babbit. > The shop should know the capabilities or their cleaning methods. So Just > ask em. And if the say it will not damage it make sure to get a guarantee > of that in writing. TTYL, Mark > > At 07:14 AM 11/15/06, you wrote: > >Howdy all; > > The Fordson engine block is now completely stripped. Thinking about > >having the block boiled at the local engine rebuild shop. > > > > Question is: "Will this dissolve the babbitt?" > > > >TIA, > >RickinMt. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > Phone > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if > possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 16 05:05:31 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:05:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] To Curt Holland In-Reply-To: <01b401c70973$aeb6e7e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <01b401c70973$aeb6e7e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <455C621B.7010709@imc-group.com> Reg, I have no clue why? I'll ask our corporate ISP provider.....will advise. Thanks for the notice.... Curt R & M Ingold wrote: > Sorry but, due to all mail from me to Curt being rejected and > returned, I have to use the list to ask him why. > Until I get him to sort it, I am removing him from my address book. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 16 05:23:06 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:23:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Parts Diagram for 1905 Stover References: <111620061111.6518.455C47670004713600001976219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <006901c70982$5a865520$240110ac@FAMILY> Curt, I agree with you, but I have run into a situation that I am unsure of. I am trying to determine if my timing gear comes off of the shaft it is on or the timing gear and shaft or one piece which doesn't seem right to me . When I get back in this afternoon from my little morning job I will take some close up pictures of what I am talking about and send them to you and the list for viewing and hopefully some answers. I do now want to break something trying to get it apart if it is not suppose to come apart. The parts diagram I have does not show my timing gear/shaft configuration and this was why I was requesting one from the list as well as SmokStak and Big Engine Ads. Don't forget you owe me some pictures of your drain valve at the base of your engine. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Parts Diagram for 1905 Stover > Hey Old Buddy thats a odd request. With the some 200+ detailed photos you > have taken one would think you could make your own parts diagram! > Curt From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Thu Nov 16 09:41:25 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:41:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000501c709a6$711214e0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Patrick, thanks for posting the pictures at LAke Goldsmith. I find the inverted Crossley Slide Valve very interesting. Would like to find something like that to add to my collection! Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:37 AM To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a selection of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From svsuzanne at earthlink.net Thu Nov 16 10:35:40 2006 From: svsuzanne at earthlink.net (DAN RICHARDSON) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:35:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings Message-ID: <380-220061141618354022@earthlink.net> I checked with a machines friend who has a boil out tank and he said "NO WAY". He will only put cast iron pieces in his tank. Hope this helps. Regards, Dan > [Original Message] > From: Richard Strobel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 11/16/2006 8:13:45 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings > > Thanks Mark...I need to find out exactly what solution they use here > nowdays. "Hot Tank" in my lingo, was the ole Trichlorethlene(sp)in a big > tank and it was heated. The vapors did the work and work well it did. > > I'd like to keep the babbitt as is, with minimal cleaning/scrapping..it is > soooo thin. > > Regards, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Shulaw" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:39 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings > > > > I think he means eat it up or melt it. It depends on the solutions, > > caustics will eat up or disolve aluminum so it might babbit, I don't know > > but I would be wary of it. Around here its hard to find a shop that boils > > anymore. Years ago all but one switched to baking in our area that I know > > of. Main reason was it leaves less contaminated fluids to pay to dispose > > of. (READ Expensive) Baking will of course melt or soften the babbit. > > If its the newer heated environmentally friendly solvents It probably > > would > > not. But I don't know if the heat used would damage the babbit. > > The shop should know the capabilities or their cleaning methods. So Just > > ask em. And if the say it will not damage it make sure to get a guarantee > > of that in writing. TTYL, Mark > > > > At 07:14 AM 11/15/06, you wrote: > > >Howdy all; > > > The Fordson engine block is now completely stripped. Thinking about > > >having the block boiled at the local engine rebuild shop. > > > > > > Question is: "Will this dissolve the babbitt?" > > > > > >TIA, > > >RickinMt. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > > Parts lists available on request. > > > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > > Phone > > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if > > possible. > > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > > represent > > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Nov 16 14:47:59 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:47:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils Message-ID: <20061116.144800.1992.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in various diameters for scrap price, what would be a good size for winding coils? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From edurand at iglou.com Thu Nov 16 16:54:40 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:54:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils In-Reply-To: <20061116.144800.1992.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Ron: I think around 18 to 20 gauge would work well. Wind enough wire on the core to get enough resistance for it to draw a couple of amps at whatever voltage you plan to run it at. Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 04:48 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils > > > Hi all. > I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in > various diameters for > scrap price, what would be a good size for winding coils? > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Nov 16 16:44:09 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:44:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <000501c709a6$711214e0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <000501c709a6$711214e0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <455D05D9.4050002@scrtc.com> Wayne, There's a barn in KY that would like to have that horse in it too! (and Ky is known for horses!). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Patrick, thanks for posting the pictures at LAke Goldsmith. I find the >inverted Crossley Slide Valve very interesting. Would like to find something >like that to add to my collection! > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 16 16:48:14 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:48:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <000501c709a6$711214e0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: Thanks for the pictures Patrick, it was a very enjoyable weekend, will be good to see you and a few others from up your way there next year,cheers Dave >From: "Wayne Thackery" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:41:25 -0800 > > >Patrick, thanks for posting the pictures at LAke Goldsmith. I find the >inverted Crossley Slide Valve very interesting. Would like to find >something >like that to add to my collection! > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Patrick M >Livingstone >Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:37 AM >To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List >Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith > > >I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to >attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a >selection >of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Win a $40K private Lear Jet experience with Flight Sim X! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=730&referral=hotmailtagline&URL=http://games.ninemsn.com.au From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Nov 16 18:55:01 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:55:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils References: <20061116.144800.1992.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <008c01c709f3$c6e3cfb0$4dd34c0c@D48VHZ61> Sounds like the beginnings of a magnet charger to me. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils > Hi all. > I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in various diameters for > scrap price, what would be a good size for winding coils? > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Nov 16 21:07:01 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:07:01 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils Message-ID: <20061116.210701.2068.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Elden. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:54:40 -0600 "Elden DuRand" writes: > Ron: > > I think around 18 to 20 gauge would work well. Wind enough wire on > the core to get enough resistance for it to draw a couple of amps at > whatever voltage you plan to run it at. > > Take care - Elden DuRand > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Nov 17 05:57:30 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:57:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils References: <20061116.144800.1992.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <008c01c709f3$c6e3cfb0$4dd34c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <002a01c70a50$537e8350$2a8cf504@Ed> I have been playing with re-winding a magnet charger for Model A 's and it takes #14 wire. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low tension coils > Sounds like the beginnings of a magnet charger to me. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:47 PM > Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils > > >> Hi all. >> I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in various diameters for >> scrap price, what would be a good size for winding coils? >> Thanks. >> >> Ron Haskell >> rdhaskell at juno.com >> Riverside, California >> USA >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 17 06:15:18 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:15:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Boiling a block" with babbitt bearings References: <380-220061141618354022@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks Dan..I've pretty much ruled out hot tankin'. Now that it's stripped it will go back in the soup tank. Take Care, Rick > I checked with a machines friend who has a boil out tank and he said "NO > WAY". He will only put cast iron pieces in his tank. Hope this helps. > Regards, Dan From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Nov 17 10:58:21 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:58:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How can you check the proper resistance after winding the coil, but before you cut the roll of wire you are winding it from? Thanks, Steve >From: "Elden DuRand" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:54:40 -0600 > >Ron: > >I think around 18 to 20 gauge would work well. Wind enough wire on the >core to get enough resistance for it to draw a couple of amps at whatever >voltage you plan to run it at. > >Take care - Elden DuRand >edurand at iglou.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 04:48 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils > > > > > > Hi all. > > I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in > > various diameters for > > scrap price, what would be a good size for winding coils? > > Thanks. > > > > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Riverside, California > > USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Fri Nov 17 08:37:43 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:37:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <455D05D9.4050002@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <006e01c70a66$b685ea40$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Tommy, That's good to know, if I come across an extra I'll sure keep you in mind! Are you sure that KY has the right kind of Oats for a horse like that......come spring I'm going to be sleeping with one eye open.......on my feed bag! It's been a good crop. Ha! Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith Wayne, There's a barn in KY that would like to have that horse in it too! (and Ky is known for horses!). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Patrick, thanks for posting the pictures at LAke Goldsmith. I find the >inverted Crossley Slide Valve very interesting. Would like to find something >like that to add to my collection! > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Nov 17 14:13:58 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:13:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... Message-ID: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago some folks were posting pictures of old lathes they had. I had just gotten one too and have been working on it since. The old hunk of iron had been in a barn for 15 years and was gummed up solid with old grease and bugs building in every lube point on the lathe. This required a total tear down and reassembly. Added a 3HP motor (thanks to all who contributed on HP recommendations) and Mircovee flat belt to drive the spindle. So far it is working fine. Here are a few before, during, and after pictures. The last one is of chips flying. Life is good! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From edurand at iglou.com Fri Nov 17 15:31:37 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:31:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron & Steve: I think I didn't give enough information before. Referring to my 1908 Electrical Engineer's Handbook, I have the following data for annealed copper wire: 16 gauge wire - 249.4 ft/Ohm 18 gauge wire - 156.9 ft/Ohm 20 gauge wire - 98.66 ft/Ohm 22 gauge wire - 62.05 ft/Ohm For a 6 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 3 Ohms or: 16 gauge wire - 750 ft 18 gauge wire - 471 ft 20 gauge wire - 297 ft 22 gauge wire - 189 ft For a 12 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 6 Ohms or: 16 gauge wire - 1,500 ft 18 gauge wire - 942 ft 20 gauge wire - 594 ft 22 gauge wire - 378 ft Simple, eh? Makes me want to go out and wind a few coils! Other than measuring the length of the wire before starting winding, you could select your wire gauge and make a guess at the size of bobbin you'd need for the requisite amount of wire (adding some just for yucks). Then, after winding what you -think- is enough, hook one lead of your trusty Ohmmeter to the "starting" end then scrape just a minute amound of insulation off the wire and measure. From that, you should be able to tell how close you are. To fix the insulation, you could either fold a tiny sliver of tissue paper around the wire then wind it onto the winding or you could give it a shot of either lacquer or "glyptol" to insulate the spot. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 12:58 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils > > > How can you check the proper resistance after > winding the coil, but before > you cut the roll of wire you are winding it from? > Thanks, Steve > > > >From: "Elden DuRand" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils > >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:54:40 -0600 > > > >Ron: > > > >I think around 18 to 20 gauge would work well. > Wind enough wire on the > >core to get enough resistance for it to draw a > couple of amps at whatever > >voltage you plan to run it at. > > > >Take care - Elden DuRand > >edurand at iglou.com > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > Behalf Of > > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 04:48 PM > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in > > > various diameters for > > > scrap price, what would be a good size for > winding coils? > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Ron Haskell From curt at imc-group.com Fri Nov 17 14:33:43 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:33:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... Message-ID: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> A while back I posted a couple of pictures of a blacksmith building we were putting up for Devin. That is all done now and he's having a blast. Here is the link: At the very bottom of the page are 3 new photos of Devin working in his shop. Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From jthall at worldnet.att.net Fri Nov 17 15:56:26 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:56:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004d01c70aa3$ff28a7f0$28d14c0c@D48VHZ61> Looking good! Going to stick with the rocker tool post or add a quickhange system? The Chineese ones have really gotten inexpensive. They aren't an Aloris but then you aren't trying to make a living, just have some fun. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago > some folks were posting pictures of old lathes they had. I had just gotten > one too and have been working on it since. The old hunk of iron had been > in a barn for 15 years and was gummed up solid with old grease and bugs > building in every lube point on the lathe. This required a total tear down > and reassembly. Added a 3HP motor (thanks to all who contributed on HP > recommendations) and Mircovee flat belt to drive the spindle. So far it is > working fine. Here are a few before, during, and after pictures. The last > one is of chips flying. > > Life is good! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 17 15:58:17 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:58:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> References: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061117185636.03f74880@mail.alltel.net> Great pictures! Tell Devin that I have several items that need his attention. Nothing pressing--I will talk to him about them sometime next year! Dave At 05:33 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: >A while back I posted a couple of pictures of a blacksmith building we >were putting up for Devin. That is all done now and he's having a blast. >Here is the link: > > >At the very bottom of the page are 3 new photos of Devin working in his shop. >Hope you enjoy. >Curt Holland From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 17 16:32:10 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:32:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007001c70aa8$fce30b70$6d83fb40@HP28276676518> Curt I enjoyed your pics. I have my eye on an old lathe, I have not yet seen it. The nice thing is that the owner has his eye on one of my large engines, a Fairbanks Morse ZC 208 that he wants to power a line shaft. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago > some folks were posting pictures of old lathes they had. I had just gotten > one too and have been working on it since. The old hunk of iron had been > in a barn for 15 years and was gummed up solid with old grease and bugs > building in every lube point on the lathe. This required a total tear down > and reassembly. Added a 3HP motor (thanks to all who contributed on HP > recommendations) and Mircovee flat belt to drive the spindle. So far it is > working fine. Here are a few before, during, and after pictures. The last > one is of chips flying. > > Life is good! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 > 3:51 PM > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 17 16:40:26 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:40:26 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils References: Message-ID: <003f01c70aaa$250e9820$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:31 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils > Ron & Steve: > > I think I didn't give enough information before. Referring to my 1908 Electrical Engineer's Handbook, I have the following data > for annealed copper wire: > > 16 gauge wire - 249.4 ft/Ohm > 18 gauge wire - 156.9 ft/Ohm > 20 gauge wire - 98.66 ft/Ohm > 22 gauge wire - 62.05 ft/Ohm > > For a 6 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 3 Ohms or: > > 16 gauge wire - 750 ft > 18 gauge wire - 471 ft > 20 gauge wire - 297 ft > 22 gauge wire - 189 ft > > For a 12 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 6 Ohms or: > > 16 gauge wire - 1,500 ft > 18 gauge wire - 942 ft > 20 gauge wire - 594 ft > 22 gauge wire - 378 ft > > Simple, eh? Makes me want to go out and wind a few coils! > > Other than measuring the length of the wire before starting winding, you could select your wire gauge and make a guess at the size > of bobbin you'd need for the requisite amount of wire (adding some just for yucks). Then, after winding what you -think- is > enough, hook one lead of your trusty Ohmmeter to the "starting" end then scrape just a minute amound of insulation off the wire > and measure. From that, you should be able to tell how close you are. > > To fix the insulation, you could either fold a tiny sliver of tissue paper around the wire then wind it onto the winding or you > could give it a shot of either lacquer or "glyptol" to insulate the spot. > > Take care - Elden > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Hi Eldon, you don't give the supply voltage so I cannot check out your currents. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 17 17:04:55 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:04:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000c01c70aad$9027dce0$3259ecdc@Edd> Great job Curt.Really enjoyed the pics.That old lath will do a lot of work for you. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 17 17:09:14 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:09:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith References: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002101c70aae$2bc9ef30$3259ecdc@Edd> Another great set of pics .Thanks Patrick! Must try and get there one day.just so far it's better than 1000km from here each way. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith >I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to > attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a > selection > of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Nov 17 17:46:28 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:46:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... In-Reply-To: <007001c70aa8$fce30b70$6d83fb40@HP28276676518> Message-ID: <005f01c70ab3$5ea27f80$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Be careful; those old big lathes don't bring much. Engine may be worth a lot more. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Gary Epps Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... Curt I enjoyed your pics. I have my eye on an old lathe, I have not yet seen it. The nice thing is that the owner has his eye on one of my large engines, a Fairbanks Morse ZC 208 that he wants to power a line shaft. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago > some folks were posting pictures of old lathes they had. I had just gotten > one too and have been working on it since. The old hunk of iron had been > in a barn for 15 years and was gummed up solid with old grease and bugs > building in every lube point on the lathe. This required a total tear down > and reassembly. Added a 3HP motor (thanks to all who contributed on HP > recommendations) and Mircovee flat belt to drive the spindle. So far it is > working fine. Here are a few before, during, and after pictures. The last > one is of chips flying. > > Life is good! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 > 3:51 PM > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 3:51 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 3:51 PM From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 17 17:48:52 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 20:48:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <002101c70aae$2bc9ef30$3259ecdc@Edd> References: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c70aae$2bc9ef30$3259ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061117204554.0422eec8@mail.alltel.net> Good doG Edd, I drove almost 5,500 MILES to pick up my 11 HP Austral and you are worried about 1,000 miles? What kind of an engine collector are you? Dave PS, You are correct the pictures were GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At 08:09 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: >Another great set of pics .Thanks Patrick! Must try and get there one >day.just so far it's better than 1000km from here each way. >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia >2852 >Phone:0263742387 >edsengns at optusnet.com.au >edsengns >----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:36 PM >Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith > > >>I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to >>attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a selection >>of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html >> >> >>Patrick M Livingstone >>Leichhardt NSW >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Nov 17 18:52:56 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:52:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... Message-ID: <20061117.221921.892.1.jlb94@juno.com> Excellent pics Curt, It's nice to see that Devin has the interest in the Blacksmithing. I'm sure you will give him the guideence he needs to be an expert. Great pics. I love the way you set up your site. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 17 19:41:39 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:41:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith References: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002101c70aae$2bc9ef30$3259ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20061117204554.0422eec8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00ba01c70ac3$756767c0$6d83fb40@HP28276676518> Dave, Check again. Edd said 1000km not miles. I think 1000km = about 625 miles, unless I'm missing something here. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith > Good doG Edd, I drove almost 5,500 MILES to pick up my 11 HP Austral and > you are worried about 1,000 miles? What kind of an engine collector are > you? > Dave > PS, You are correct the pictures were GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > At 08:09 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: >>Another great set of pics .Thanks Patrick! Must try and get there one >>day.just so far it's better than 1000km from here each way. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >> >>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; >>"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >>Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:36 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith >> >> >>>I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to >>>attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a >>>selection >>>of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html >>> >>> >>>Patrick M Livingstone >>>Leichhardt NSW >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 > 3:51 PM > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 17 19:42:20 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:42:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith References: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002101c70aae$2bc9ef30$3259ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20061117204554.0422eec8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000c01c70ac3$8e0289e0$3259ecdc@Edd> I know I know.But no interstate here just rural roads! also gas at about $6.00 a gallon.also my stuffed heart that doesn't like long drives.Other than that dam what am I doing sitting here.I should be working on an engine like all the rest of my time.:) EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith > Good doG Edd, I drove almost 5,500 MILES to pick up my 11 HP Austral and > you are worried about 1,000 miles? What kind of an engine collector are > you? > Dave > PS, You are correct the pictures were GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > At 08:09 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: >>Another great set of pics .Thanks Patrick! Must try and get there one >>day.just so far it's better than 1000km from here each way. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >> >>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; >>"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >>Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:36 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith >> >> >>>I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to >>>attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a >>>selection >>>of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html >>> >>> >>>Patrick M Livingstone >>>Leichhardt NSW >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 17 19:44:32 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:44:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... References: <005f01c70ab3$5ea27f80$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <00be01c70ac3$dc720970$6d83fb40@HP28276676518> I probably owe this guy something. He sold me a restored 1935 JD 'D' for what he paid originally for the tractor, before he restored it. I can be generous on this deal. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Best" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > Be careful; those old big lathes don't bring much. Engine may be worth > a lot more. > > Lew > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Gary Epps > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > Curt > I enjoyed your pics. I have my eye on an old lathe, I have not yet seen > it. > The nice thing is that the owner has his eye on one of my large engines, > a > Fairbanks Morse ZC 208 that he wants to power a line shaft. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:13 PM > Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > >> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months > ago >> some folks were posting pictures of old lathes they had. I had just > gotten >> one too and have been working on it since. The old hunk of iron had > been >> in a barn for 15 years and was gummed up solid with old grease and > bugs >> building in every lube point on the lathe. This required a total tear > down >> and reassembly. Added a 3HP motor (thanks to all who contributed on HP > >> recommendations) and Mircovee flat belt to drive the spindle. So far > it is >> working fine. Here are a few before, during, and after pictures. The > last >> one is of chips flying. >> > >> Life is good! >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: > 11/16/2006 >> 3:51 PM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: > 11/16/2006 3:51 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 > 3:51 PM > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Nov 18 03:24:03 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:24:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <200611161700.kAGH04Rp032238@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20061118132154.00aee400@mail.cyberserv.co.za> > >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:36:30 +1100 >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith > >I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to >attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a selection >of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html >Patrick M Livingstone Thanks Patrick, Great pics as usual. What is the Sunshine machine in this pic? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Nov 18 05:53:57 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 06:53:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent Message-ID: For a friend, gang. How is the gas tank vented on a small JD "E"? TIA, RickinMt. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 18 06:19:18 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:19:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455F1666.20404@scrtc.com> Isn't there a small hole, maybe a 1/32, drilled in the filler cap? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > For a friend, gang. How is the gas tank vented on a small JD "E"? > >TIA, >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Nov 18 06:37:22 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:37:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061118093613.03055040@pop3.wcoil.com> If it has the original fill cap there is a vent hole in it. TTYL, Mark At 08:53 AM 11/18/06, you wrote: > For a friend, gang. How is the gas tank vented on a small JD "E"? > >TIA, >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From edurand at iglou.com Sat Nov 18 07:51:20 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:51:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils In-Reply-To: <003f01c70aaa$250e9820$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: Dave: I may have confused the listings. There are three tables. The first one is feet per Ohm for four gauges of wire. Just multiply the number of Ohms you are looking for by the ft/Ohm number of the wire of choice. The second and third tables are for the amount of wire to draw 2 Amps. The second table is calculated using a 6-Volt battery. The third table is calculated using a 12-Volt battery. If you want something other than 2 Amps at either 6 or 12 Volts, use the first table. Let's say you want a coil to draw 5 Amps at 8 Volts. Use Ohm's law to find the resistance you need to get this result. Since R-E/I, divide the voltage (8 Volts) by the current (5 Amps). This gives 1.6 Ohms. Now, let's say you have a spool of 18 gauge wire laying around that you want to wind the coil with. To find the length of wire needed, multiply the resistance wanted (1.6 Ohms) by the feet/Ohm from the table (156.9) to get 251.04 feet of 18 gauge wire. How'm I a-doin/? Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave Croft > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 06:40 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Low tension coils > > Ron & Steve: > > > > I think I didn't give enough information > before. Referring to my 1908 Electrical > Engineer's Handbook, I have the following data > > for annealed copper wire: > > > > 16 gauge wire - 249.4 ft/Ohm > > 18 gauge wire - 156.9 ft/Ohm > > 20 gauge wire - 98.66 ft/Ohm > > 22 gauge wire - 62.05 ft/Ohm > > > > For a 6 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 3 Ohms or: > > > > 16 gauge wire - 750 ft > > 18 gauge wire - 471 ft > > 20 gauge wire - 297 ft > > 22 gauge wire - 189 ft > > > > For a 12 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 6 Ohms or: > > > > 16 gauge wire - 1,500 ft > > 18 gauge wire - 942 ft > > 20 gauge wire - 594 ft > > 22 gauge wire - 378 ft > > > > Simple, eh? Makes me want to go out and wind a > few coils! > > > > Other than measuring the length of the wire > before starting winding, you could select your > wire gauge and make a guess at the size > > of bobbin you'd need for the requisite amount > of wire (adding some just for yucks). Then, > after winding what you -think- is > > enough, hook one lead of your trusty Ohmmeter > to the "starting" end then scrape just a minute > amound of insulation off the wire > > and measure. From that, you should be able to > tell how close you are. > > > > To fix the insulation, you could either fold a > tiny sliver of tissue paper around the wire then > wind it onto the winding or you > > could give it a shot of either lacquer or > "glyptol" to insulate the spot. > > > > Take care - Elden > > edurand at iglou.com > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Hi Eldon, you don't give the supply voltage so > I cannot check out your currents. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Nov 18 07:39:35 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:39:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent References: <6.2.1.2.1.20061118093613.03055040@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: thanks guys...I called and told him to look for the hole. Well..headed fer the shed on what looks like a darn nice day HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RickinMT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] JD gas tank vent > If it has the original fill cap there is a vent hole in it. TTYL, Mark > > At 08:53 AM 11/18/06, you wrote: > > For a friend, gang. How is the gas tank vented on a small JD "E"? > > > >TIA, > >RickinMt. > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > Phone > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if > possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Nov 18 11:37:08 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:37:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.1.20061118093613.03055040@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4d068477d78d47265145fa98c60f5128@chartertn.net> Yeah, Elden, Happy Birthday! On Nov 18, 2006, at 10:39 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dotto at velocitus.net Sat Nov 18 11:38:07 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:38:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008201c70b49$141001e0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Rick On my JD, a late one; 1944, the vent hole is drilled in the engine block and intersects the fuel filler hole just below where the plug's threads would stop. There is no hole in the plug it's self. Dave Dave Otto Boise, ID USA > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:40 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] JD gas tank vent > > thanks guys...I called and told him to look for the hole. > > Well..headed fer the shed on what looks like a darn nice day > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > RickinMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Shulaw" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:37 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] JD gas tank vent > > > > If it has the original fill cap there is a vent hole in it. TTYL, > Mark > > > > At 08:53 AM 11/18/06, you wrote: > > > For a friend, gang. How is the gas tank vented on a small JD "E"? > > > > > >TIA, > > >RickinMt. > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > > Parts lists available on request. > > > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > > Phone > > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls > if > > possible. > > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > > represent > > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist > and > > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Sat Nov 18 12:59:44 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:59:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <200611182100.kAIL0C96047958@mail-gw.fsr.net> Patrick, thank you for the excellent pictures. That's one of the best "Down Under" series of pix I've ever seen. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:37 AM To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: Lake Goldsmith http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 18 13:21:56 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:21:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> References: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> WAY KEWL Curt!! In that last pic is Devin working by the light of a couple of yellow dogs? And have you heard any grief from the neighbors about the late-night ringing of the anvil? See ya, Arnie Quoting Curt : > A while back I posted a couple of pictures of a blacksmith building we > were putting up for Devin. That is all done now and he's having a blast. > Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/BlacksmithDevin/Thumbnails.html> At the very bottom of the page are 3 new photos of Devin working in his > shop. From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Nov 18 17:18:38 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:18:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent In-Reply-To: <008201c70b49$141001e0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <008201c70b49$141001e0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061118201030.0305b7a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Dave, You're so right its in the casting next to the fuel filler hole, not the plug. The damn Maytag 92s with their vent in the fill plugs have corrupted my memory. Egg on face, ok I'll go away now. TTYL, Mark At 02:38 PM 11/18/06, you wrote: >Hi Rick > >On my JD, a late one; 1944, the vent hole is drilled in the engine block and >intersects the fuel filler hole just below where the plug's threads would >stop. There is no hole in the plug it's self. > >Dave > > >Dave Otto >Boise, ID >USA > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:40 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] JD gas tank vent > > > > thanks guys...I called and told him to look for the hole. > > > > Well..headed fer the shed on what looks like a darn nice day > > > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > RickinMT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Shulaw" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] JD gas tank vent > > > > > > > If it has the original fill cap there is a vent hole in it. TTYL, > > Mark > > > > > > At 08:53 AM 11/18/06, you wrote: > > > > For a friend, gang. How is the gas tank vented on a small JD "E"? > > > > > > > >TIA, > > > >RickinMt. > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >SEL mailing list > > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > > > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > > > Parts lists available on request. > > > > > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > > > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > > > Phone > > > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls > > if > > > possible. > > > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > > > represent > > > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist > > and > > > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 Verizon Cell #419.516.2996 Mark #330.475.4450 Christine From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com Sat Nov 18 19:41:06 2006 From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:41:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass Message-ID: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a friend who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. Thanks Bob -- <> <> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 18 16:46:16 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:46:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More Stover Restoration Pictures Message-ID: <00a401c70b74$1fa3aa40$240110ac@FAMILY> For you folks who are following along with me on the Stover restoration I have added some more pictures. The new pictures are close up pictures of the governor gear, governor sleeve and cam assembly. I originally had some questions as to how far apart this assembly would come but after the clean up and blasting it became obvious that the Governor Gear, Governor Sleeve and Can was all one assembly as the pictures will show. Also the new pictures show the final sandblasting of the block and the priming of the block. Open this album and then use the "Skip to Photo" option and arrow down to picture #274 to start with the new pictures: WARNING: This album contains over 300 pictures in is so if you have dial up you will probably want to skip it. http://community.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=554884600&key=StYIhb Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 18 17:54:13 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:54:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20061118201030.0305b7a0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <008201c70b49$141001e0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <6.2.1.2.1.20061118201030.0305b7a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061118205223.0438f008@mail.alltel.net> > The damn Maytag 92s with their vent in the fill plugs have corrupted my > memory. Egg on face, ok I'll go away now. TTYL, Mark That will happen EVERY time you own one of those bastards that has not been FIXED! Dave From segray at bigvalley.net Sat Nov 18 22:36:28 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:36:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] JD gas tank vent In-Reply-To: <008201c70b49$141001e0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <008201c70b49$141001e0$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <455FFB6C.2020008@bigvalley.net> My 1929 horse & a half is the same way. Was full of dried grease and painted over when I got it in '93. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dave Otto wrote: >Hi Rick > >On my JD, a late one; 1944, the vent hole is drilled in the engine block and >intersects the fuel filler hole just below where the plug's threads would >stop. There is no hole in the plug it's self. > >Dave > > >Dave Otto >Boise, ID >USA > > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net From rwenig at telus.net Sat Nov 18 20:10:37 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 21:10:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> Message-ID: <455FD93D.5090103@telus.net> Hello Bob, Your friendly neighborhood cat will do a good job of putting a patina on new brass. Just put it in his litter box where he can pee on it a few times. Rupert Bob Matthews wrote: > What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a friend > who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. > > Thanks > Bob > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From jbcast at charter.net Sun Nov 19 00:09:00 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 0:09:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass Message-ID: <182024843.1163923740039.JavaMail.root@fepweb02> ---- Bob Matthews wrote: > What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a friend > who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. > > Thanks > Bob First he'll have to use paint remover to remove the clear finish, then wash it with amonia. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 19 00:43:19 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:43:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics Message-ID: <20061119084305.ALN25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I have added some pictures that Cam Grundy took last weekend at the Bombala rally: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/bom061.html Thanks for the pics Cam. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 18 13:40:41 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:40:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20061118093613.03055040@pop3.wcoil.com> <4d068477d78d47265145fa98c60f5128@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <008c01c70b5a$32881610$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Elden did another year sneak upon you. Happy Birthday and may you have many more. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! > Yeah, Elden, Happy Birthday! > > On Nov 18, 2006, at 10:39 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: >> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sun Nov 19 01:28:41 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:28:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Thanks for the great pics Patrick. Sorry i missed you there. Perhaps next year. Regards Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:36:30 +1100 > >I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to >attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a >selection >of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: House hunt online now! http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Erealestate%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dres%26cu%3DMSN&_t=758874163&_r=HM_EndText_Nov06&_m=EXT From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Nov 19 03:14:29 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:14:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> References: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <45603C95.7010403@steamengine.com.au> Would you walk up to a bloke whacking things with a hammer in a dark shed only lit by flaming torches and complain? I didn't think so :) Paul fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > WAY KEWL Curt!! In that last pic is Devin working by the light of a couple of > yellow dogs? And have you heard any grief from the neighbors about the > late-night ringing of the anvil? > > See ya, Arnie > > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 19 05:43:00 2006 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:43:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> Message-ID: <001901c70be0$a20d9f10$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Return to the store and trade it for the antique brass finish, it's just paint. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Matthews" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:41 PM Subject: [SEL] patina on brass > What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a friend > who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. > > Thanks > Bob > > -- > <> > <> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 11/17/2006 > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 19 07:47:30 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 10:47:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: IHC 2hp famous vertical info wanted Message-ID: <1163951250.45607c928d76b@webmail.city-net.com> ----- Forwarded message from Peter Lowe ----- Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:46:49 +1100 From: Peter Lowe Reply-To: Peter Lowe Subject: IHC 2hp famous vertical info wanted To: Arnie Fero Hi Arnie Could you please send this to ATIS for me. Hi All Is there anyone out there who has a vertical famous 2hp that has a screen cooled tank, I would like some measurements please of the tank. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm ----- End forwarded message ----- From rwenig at telus.net Sun Nov 19 07:48:46 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:48:46 -0700 Subject: OT: Re: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <455FD93D.5090103@telus.net> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> <455FD93D.5090103@telus.net> Message-ID: <45607CDE.5060801@telus.net> Hello Bob, I was quite serous when I said the below. It works. But, I wasn't thinking of new purchased hardware. Purchased hardware has a hard protective coating on it to preserve the shine. This must be removed before you try anything. The protective coating used to be clear lacquer but they may be using clear coat such as the clear coat they use on autos now. Or, like someone else said, return it to the store and exchange for the antique finished items. Rupert Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello Bob, > Your friendly neighborhood cat will do a good job of putting a > patina on new brass. Just put it in his litter box where he can pee on > it a few times. > > Rupert > > Bob Matthews wrote: >> What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a >> friend who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. >> >> Thanks >> Bob >> > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 19 08:20:15 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:20:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> Message-ID: <215F9470-8E09-44E2-B808-3C636C89055F@rustyiron.com> On Nov 18, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: > What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a > friend who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. Hi Bob, The quickest method I've used can be dangerous if you're dumb, so think it over thoroughly before you do it. Do the work in outside when there is no breeze. Do NOT do this in a basement, a closed shop, or in your closet. Wear goggles, and it's best if you don't breathe during the process. Into a plastic container (one gallon size might work), pour about a tablespoon of household bleach. Move the bleach container away from your work area. Now take about a tablespoon of muriatic (pool) acid, stop breathing, and add the acid to the bleach. You're now generating deadly chlorine gas. It's heavier than air, so you have a little time to work. Take your part, which is already clean and dangling on a wire, and hold it in the plastic container above the liquid. You'll see the color turn in seconds. If you're fast, you can do a couple parts. When you're done, leave the area and give the gas time to dissipate. In WWI, chlorine was used as a chemical weapon. You can not make mistakes. Keep your large jugs of chemicals separate, by eight feet or more, so if you managed to spill BOTH containers, the contents would still not mix. If you somehow manage to mix large quantities, there is nothing you can do except evacuate the area immediately. From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 19 11:07:14 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:07:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> Message-ID: <768738618035ffde2b9b61d2503228f1@chartertn.net> If it's the black patina you want, a solution of lime sulfur from the garden store works well. Use steel wool to rub it off the high spots to give a worn look. John On Nov 18, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: > What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a > friend who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edurand at iglou.com Sun Nov 19 13:40:39 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:40:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! In-Reply-To: <4d068477d78d47265145fa98c60f5128@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Rick and John: Thanks, guys! I'm now only half a decade from being an Old Fart! Anyhoo - once I get over this spiking BP (anti depression medication is getting changed), get rid of the divertulitis, CRS Syndrome and hemhorroids, I'll be back to 93.2 percent! Can't wait. BTW, one of the gensets is going to be removed from tha abandoned power station in early December. I hope I'm up to going and giving a hand. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 01:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! > > Yeah, Elden, Happy Birthday! > > On Nov 18, 2006, at 10:39 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edurand at iglou.com Sun Nov 19 13:42:56 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:42:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! In-Reply-To: <008c01c70b5a$32881610$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Paul: Thanks! Kinda chokes me up, knowing that some folks out here in etherland actually care enough to say it. As for having many more - That's exactly what I plan to do! Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 03:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! > > > Hey Elden did another year sneak upon you. Happy > Birthday and may you have > many more. > > Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 19 13:11:00 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:11:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <768738618035ffde2b9b61d2503228f1@chartertn.net> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> <768738618035ffde2b9b61d2503228f1@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061119161017.04475d38@mail.alltel.net> Hi john, What should I use if I want a PUCE patina? Dave At 02:07 PM 11/19/2006, you wrote: >If it's the black patina you want, a solution of lime sulfur from the >garden store works well. Use steel wool to rub it off the high spots to >give a worn look. > >John > >On Nov 18, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: > >>What method may be used for making new brass look old? I have a friend >>who wants to make some new cabinet hardware look like the old. > > >John Culp From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 19 13:59:41 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:59:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <215F9470-8E09-44E2-B808-3C636C89055F@rustyiron.com> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> <215F9470-8E09-44E2-B808-3C636C89055F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1163973581.4560d3cd244a0@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Kids, Be sure to tune in tomorrow when Mr. Science will teach you how to make phosgene gas and mustard gas. Just the thing for those experiments you've been planning for that nasty kitty cat next door. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Rob Skinner : > Into a plastic container (one gallon size might work), pour about a > tablespoon of household bleach. Move the bleach container away from > your work area. Now take about a tablespoon of muriatic (pool) acid, > stop breathing, and add the acid to the bleach. > > You're now generating deadly chlorine gas. It's heavier than air, so > you have a little time to work. > > In WWI, chlorine was used as a chemical weapon. From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 19 14:07:30 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:07:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Small Saturday show pictures. Message-ID: <20061119.140730.1788.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Saturday my local club WAPA was invited to participate in the Etiwanda Historical Society's Annual Open House at the Chaffey-Garcia House. This year the event was enlarged greatly and now covers a couple hundred yards of the street in front of the house. Our display was moved from the courtyard to across the right of way from the old Pacific Electric RR station in Etiwanda. A beautiful Southern California day with temps approaching 90?F, with a gentle breeze. Life is good. Pictures at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32362827&f= Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Nov 19 14:10:39 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:10:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Captured WW-II Aircraft Buried in Indiana In-Reply-To: <00c801c6e933$0e032990$8335c53e@doc> References: <200610061202125.SM01384@new.databak.co.za> <00c801c6e933$0e032990$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061119170626.02f354a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi All, Heres some interesting reading on a cool Sunday evening. TTYL, Mark http://www.indianamilitary.org/FreemanAAF/Museum/FF_museum.html From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 19 15:19:35 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:19:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Small Saturday show pictures. References: <20061119.140730.1788.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000a01c70c31$2e953650$3259ecdc@Edd> Nice selection of pics.Thanks Ron. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Small Saturday show pictures. > Hi all. Saturday my local club WAPA was invited to participate in the > Etiwanda Historical Society's Annual Open House at the Chaffey-Garcia > House. This year the event was enlarged greatly and now covers a couple > hundred yards of the street in front of the house. Our display was moved > from the courtyard to across the right of way from the old Pacific > Electric RR station in Etiwanda. A beautiful Southern California day > with temps approaching 90?F, with a gentle breeze. Life is good. > > Pictures at: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32362827&f= > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 19 16:07:04 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:07:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Small Saturday show pictures. References: <20061119.140730.1788.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <004f01c70c37$d034e310$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Ron, great pictures and it is good to see that there still little shows going on around the country. Enjoyed the pictures very much. Paul' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Small Saturday show pictures. > Hi all. Saturday my local club WAPA was invited to participate in the > Etiwanda Historical Society's Annual Open House at the Chaffey-Garcia > House. This year the event was enlarged greatly and now covers a couple > hundred yards of the street in front of the house. Our display was moved > from the courtyard to across the right of way from the old Pacific > Electric RR station in Etiwanda. A beautiful Southern California day > with temps approaching 90?F, with a gentle breeze. Life is good. > > Pictures at: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32362827&f= > >> From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sun Nov 19 16:16:40 2006 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:16:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Captured WW-II Aircraft Buried in Indiana References: <200610061202125.SM01384@new.databak.co.za><00c801c6e933$0e032990$8335c53e@doc> <6.2.1.2.1.20061119170626.02f354a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000f01c70c39$2b00f260$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Quit interesting Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: Captured WW-II Aircraft Buried in Indiana > Hi All, Heres some interesting reading on a cool Sunday evening. TTYL, > Mark > > http://www.indianamilitary.org/FreemanAAF/Museum/FF_museum.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 19 16:52:46 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:52:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <1163973581.4560d3cd244a0@webmail.city-net.com> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> <215F9470-8E09-44E2-B808-3C636C89055F@rustyiron.com> <1163973581.4560d3cd244a0@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4F32C0B8-D81C-43FD-83A4-86ADBBBBFB32@rustyiron.com> On Nov 19, 2006, at 1:59 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Be sure to tune in tomorrow when Mr. Science will teach you how to > make phosgene > gas and mustard gas. Just the thing for those experiments you've > been planning > for that nasty kitty cat next door. 8-)) Hey neutronhead, Has that deal with the North Koreans netted you enough cash so you could obtain all the smoke detectors needed to finish your suitcase nuke? From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun Nov 19 17:07:11 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:07:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith References: <20061116103622.BZAZ7709.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <007901c70c40$36e695b0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Thanks for the Pic's Patrick, they are excellent. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith >I went on a 2300km road trip last week with a couple of engine mates to > attend the Lake Goldsmith rally. Well worth the trip. I have put a > selection > of the over 600 photos I took on my website at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 19 18:16:42 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:16:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday, Elden! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3379721689d62682c27724dbbebba27a@chartertn.net> > Thanks, guys! I'm now only half a decade from being an Old Fart! Man, five years already?! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 19 18:17:30 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:17:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] patina on brass In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20061119161017.04475d38@mail.alltel.net> References: <455FD252.5020404@matthewsfarm.com> <768738618035ffde2b9b61d2503228f1@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20061119161017.04475d38@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <807378d6352111da3d11076eb519d905@chartertn.net> Just puke on it. John On Nov 19, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi john, What should I use if I want a PUCE patina? > Dave John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 19 18:23:31 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:23:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Mailbox Picture Message-ID: <00b801c70c4a$dff950c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Gang Bill Brueck was kind enough to send us his engine mailbox picture: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/BruekEnginemailbox.jpg Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 19 16:11:47 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:11:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics References: <20061119084305.ALN25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <006201c70c38$78e82490$240110ac@FAMILY> Patrick, Cam enjoyed the heck out of the pictures. I am a little worried about the man on the yellow trolley, he looks a little thin and pale like maybe he is about to give up the ghost. Beautiful pictures and a great assortment of engines. Thanks Cam for taking them and thanks Patrick for posting them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 2:43 AM Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics >I have added some pictures that Cam Grundy took last weekend at the Bombala > rally: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/bom061.html > Thanks for the pics Cam. > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 20 11:29:51 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:29:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> References: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4562022F.9020907@imc-group.com> Yup Arnie, those are the yellow dogs. Missy and I are in the habit of sitting in the driveway in the evenings after work and I having a beer and Missy a mixed drink of some kind. The plan was to have the yellow dog beside us, filled with teeky (sp?) oil that keeps the biting bugs away. But ever since the blacksmith building went up, Devin borrowed the yellow dog for lighting in his building. I offered to put up a lightbulb in there for him, to which he replied in a very affirmative way, "I ain't havin' no stickin' 'lectricity in a blacksmith building, the yellow dog will do". What's a father to do, when a hip young lad squarely rejects modern technology in his blacksmith building? .....I bot him another bottle of teky oil. As to the noise, the neighbors are pretty far away as the lots are large. In addition to the nostalgia of the ringing anvil is the ever present smell of burning coal in the neighborhood. Now picture this..... Missy and I enjoying our evening drink (minus the yellow dog), with the sweet pleasant aroma of burning coal in the air, the ringing of the anvil, while we sit and watch Devin entertain us in the distance. Ahh life is good! Curt fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >WAY KEWL Curt!! In that last pic is Devin working by the light of a couple of >yellow dogs? And have you heard any grief from the neighbors about the >late-night ringing of the anvil? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Curt : > > > >>A while back I posted a couple of pictures of a blacksmith building we >>were putting up for Devin. That is all done now and he's having a blast. >>Here is the link: >> >> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/BlacksmithDevin/Thumbnails.html> >At the very bottom of the page are 3 new photos of Devin working in his > > >>shop. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 20 11:13:14 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:13:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <4562022F.9020907@imc-group.com> References: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> <4562022F.9020907@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hiya Curt, Yer well on the way here dude!! Ya know what you need to add? A small power, a couple of rod lines, and a couple of pump jacks. Now you've got a running engine and that wonderful creaking and squeeking to add to the music. Damn, you've got me getting all weepy here. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 20 Nov 2006, Curt wrote: > Yup Arnie, those are the yellow dogs. Missy and I are in the habit of > sitting in the driveway in the evenings after work and I having a beer > and Missy a mixed drink of some kind. The plan was to have the yellow > dog beside us, filled with teeky (sp?) oil that keeps the biting bugs > away. But ever since the blacksmith building went up, Devin borrowed the > yellow dog for lighting in his building. I offered to put up a lightbulb > in there for him, to which he replied in a very affirmative way, "I > ain't havin' no stickin' 'lectricity in a blacksmith building, the > yellow dog will do". What's a father to do, when a hip young lad > squarely rejects modern technology in his blacksmith building? .....I > bot him another bottle of teky oil. > > As to the noise, the neighbors are pretty far away as the lots are > large. In addition to the nostalgia of the ringing anvil is the ever > present smell of burning coal in the neighborhood. Now picture this..... > Missy and I enjoying our evening drink (minus the yellow dog), with the > sweet pleasant aroma of burning coal in the air, the ringing of the > anvil, while we sit and watch Devin entertain us in the distance. Ahh > life is good! From segray at bigvalley.net Mon Nov 20 13:28:33 2006 From: segray at bigvalley.net (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:28:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Milker update In-Reply-To: <001f01c70312$c9f79890$e5c30b52@no1> References: <45518D57.7060009@bigvalley.net> <001f01c70312$c9f79890$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <45621E01.1000305@bigvalley.net> Hey All - For those who replied and/or have any interest in this milker engine project, I've put the rest of the current pictures up (#6-9) showing the guts of the crankcase, primarily the vacuum pump. The engine con rod assembly is Ford T in this engine. As Tim had mentioned earlier, the head bolts ended up being candidates for the flame wrench, 4 of the 6 backing out nicely after some heat. Two had little or no heads left, so I went in with a Makita grinder and ground any of the remaining heads away, leaving just the bolt shanks. The head came right off, after which, I used a stud wrench to remove the remaining bolts (pic #6). The pump (on the left end of the crank in pic #7 has seen lots of water, but is free. The copper tubing leads from a piston pump in a closed oil sump in the base and pumps oil into a site glass on top of the block before running down over the pump casting. This oil eventually makes it over to a dip sump under the engine con rod before returning to the hidden sump via an oil passage. Pics 8 & 9 show the vacuum pump. The pistons are tied together by a ridged con rod, while one piston has a normal con rod tied to the special throw on the end of the crank. The pump valving is operated by bronze fork in pic 9 and an eccentric, also on the end of the crank. http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker6.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker7.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker8.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/milker9.jpg - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at bigvalley.net Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Nov 20 16:04:36 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:04:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <4562022F.9020907@imc-group.com> References: <455E38C7.20003@imc-group.com> <1163884916.455f797477c6a@webmail.city-net.com> <4562022F.9020907@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <43b46a3fffd244183827f7847958dbe1@chartertn.net> Jennifer says Devin's blacksmith shed is nicer than the forge in ETSU's art department. Jenn's an art major focusing on metals, but blacksmithing's not her bag. She's more into little stuff like jewelry. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 20 16:59:44 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:59:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Milker update References: <45518D57.7060009@bigvalley.net><001f01c70312$c9f79890$e5c30b52@no1> <45621E01.1000305@bigvalley.net> Message-ID: <005d01c70d08$55e26bb0$240110ac@FAMILY> Wow! Steve, looks like you have big project on your hands. Thanks for the pictures and keep us posted as you go along. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Milker update > Hey All - > > For those who replied and/or have any interest in this milker engine > project, I've put the rest of the current pictures up (#6-9) showing the > guts of the crankcase, primarily the vacuum pump. The engine con rod > assembly is Ford T in this engine. As Tim had mentioned earlier, the head > bolts ended up being candidates for the flame wrench, 4 of the 6 From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 20 17:07:30 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:07:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... In-Reply-To: <000c01c70aad$9027dce0$3259ecdc@Edd> References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com> <000c01c70aad$9027dce0$3259ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> Thanks Edd. Since you are a machining expert, I've got a question for you about tweaking a lathe in. Once I have the bed level all directions with a precision level, and if I still experience taper when using the tail stock, what is the procedure for dialing in the tailstock? Anyway of telling which side of center I may be on before making adjustments to the tailstock? Curt Edd Payne wrote: > Great job Curt.Really enjoyed the pics.That old lath will do a lot of > work for you. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:13 AM > Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > >> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From skipl130 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 20 17:47:01 2006 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:47:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] 4 horse mogul In-Reply-To: <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> anyone know where to get a rod bearing for a 4 horse mogul? would also like to know the paint color. thanks, skip Curt wrote: Thanks Edd. Since you are a machining expert, I've got a question for you about tweaking a lathe in. Once I have the bed level all directions with a precision level, and if I still experience taper when using the tail stock, what is the procedure for dialing in the tailstock? Anyway of telling which side of center I may be on before making adjustments to the tailstock? Curt Edd Payne wrote: > Great job Curt.Really enjoyed the pics.That old lath will do a lot of > work for you. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:13 AM > Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > >> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Mon Nov 20 17:50:13 2006 From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:50:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith shed finished Message-ID: <005501c70d0f$6366f1f0$6501a8c0@T60> Curt failed to mention that while Devin is hammering away It gives Curt and Missey time to be alone with each other in a "private setting" As long as the anvil is ringing they will be un disturbed! List lurker TB From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Mon Nov 20 18:03:33 2006 From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:03:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... In-Reply-To: <4562022F.9020907@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005a01c70d11$3fc15b30$6501a8c0@T60> While Devin is hammering his little heart out Curt are reclining in the dark with an adult beverage, up to "NO Good". As long as they can hear the anvil ring They know where Devin is and will not be disturbed! List lurker TB -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:30 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmith building done.... Yup Arnie, those are the yellow dogs. Missy and I are in the habit of sitting in the driveway in the evenings after work and I having a beer and Missy a mixed drink of some kind. The plan was to have the yellow dog beside us, filled with teeky (sp?) oil that keeps the biting bugs away. But ever since the blacksmith building went up, Devin borrowed the yellow dog for lighting in his building. I offered to put up a lightbulb in there for him, to which he replied in a very affirmative way, "I ain't havin' no stickin' 'lectricity in a blacksmith building, the yellow dog will do". What's a father to do, when a hip young lad squarely rejects modern technology in his blacksmith building? .....I bot him another bottle of teky oil. As to the noise, the neighbors are pretty far away as the lots are large. In addition to the nostalgia of the ringing anvil is the ever present smell of burning coal in the neighborhood. Now picture this..... Missy and I enjoying our evening drink (minus the yellow dog), with the sweet pleasant aroma of burning coal in the air, the ringing of the anvil, while we sit and watch Devin entertain us in the distance. Ahh life is good! Curt fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >WAY KEWL Curt!! In that last pic is Devin working by the light of a couple of >yellow dogs? And have you heard any grief from the neighbors about the >late-night ringing of the anvil? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Curt : > > > >>A while back I posted a couple of pictures of a blacksmith building we >>were putting up for Devin. That is all done now and he's having a blast. >>Here is the link: >> >> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/BlacksmithDevin/Thumbna ils.html> >At the very bottom of the page are 3 new photos of Devin working in his > > >>shop. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Nov 20 18:23:22 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:23:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 4 horse mogul References: <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e501c70d14$054fa080$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> A good start is to put an indicator in the chuck on the headstock and then swing it around the inside of the taper on the tailstock. If the tailstock ram is loose you will have to take it apart, find out way and fix it and ten proceed as above. Most tailstocks can be adjusted back and forth so this is pretty straight forward. You will have to wing it on up and down since most lathes do not have a vertical adjustment. If you can get everything real close you could touch it up by re-reaming the tailstock but this would have to be done with great care as it has already been reamed to size and removing too much will completely screw things up. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Landis" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: [SEL] 4 horse mogul anyone know where to get a rod bearing for a 4 horse mogul? would also like to know the paint color. thanks, skip Curt wrote: Thanks Edd. Since you are a machining expert, I've got a question for you about tweaking a lathe in. Once I have the bed level all directions with a precision level, and if I still experience taper when using the tail stock, what is the procedure for dialing in the tailstock? Anyway of telling which side of center I may be on before making adjustments to the tailstock? Curt From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 20 18:48:56 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:48:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 4 horse mogul References: <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: paint code here, Skip; http://www.oldengine.org/members/murphy/engine_paint_codes.htm or http://www.oldengine.org/members/shpclub/tid002.htm Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Landis" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: [SEL] 4 horse mogul > anyone know where to get a rod bearing for a 4 horse mogul? would also > like to know the paint color. thanks, skip > > Curt wrote: Thanks Edd. Since you are a machining > expert, I've got a question for > you about tweaking a lathe in. Once I have the bed level all directions > with a precision level, and if I still experience taper when using the > tail stock, what is the procedure for dialing in the tailstock? Anyway > of telling which side of center I may be on before making adjustments to > the tailstock? > Curt > > > Edd Payne wrote: > > > Great job Curt.Really enjoyed the pics.That old lath will do a lot of > > work for you. > > EDD PAYNE > > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > > Australia > > 2852 > > Phone:0263742387 > > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > > edsengns > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:13 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > > > > >> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months > >> ago > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - > Click now to apply > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Nov 20 22:53:13 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:53:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com><000c01c70aad$9027dce0$3259ecdc@Edd> <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000601c70d39$b7fbadd0$3259ecdc@Edd> Hi Curt.What you do is put some shafting between centres.Then take a cut at the headstock end and measure the dia.Then with the same setting on the cross slide take a cut at the tailstock end.If there is a difference in dia ie 1" head 1.010' tail then you need to move the tailstock towards the front.,you then repeat the procedure till you get the same dia both ends.If you have an adjustable head stock you need to set it first by turning a length of material held only in the chuck and checking it for parallel. 0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > Thanks Edd. Since you are a machining expert, I've got a question for you > about tweaking a lathe in. Once I have the bed level all directions with a > precision level, and if I still experience taper when using the tail > stock, what is the procedure for dialing in the tailstock? Anyway of > telling which side of center I may be on before making adjustments to the > tailstock? > Curt > > > Edd Payne wrote: > >> Great job Curt.Really enjoyed the pics.That old lath will do a lot of >> work for you. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >> To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:13 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... >> >> >>> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of months ago >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 20 17:26:44 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:26:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Richard Backus e-mail address Message-ID: <009a01c70d0c$1baf4b30$240110ac@FAMILY> Can some send me Richard Backus (GEM) e-mail address? Thanks Paul From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Nov 20 23:12:00 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:12:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Need Richard Backus e-mail address Message-ID: <20061120.231200.1060.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Paul. Try; rbackus at ogdenpubs.com Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:26:44 -0600 "Paul Maples" writes: > Can some send me Richard Backus (GEM) e-mail address? Thanks > > Paul From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Nov 21 04:23:40 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:23:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics In-Reply-To: <20061119084305.ALN25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20061121122339.QAFM25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> One of my agents has provided me with evidence of Cam at work taking photos at the Bombala rally (warning; this may scare the delicate amongst us): http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala06/_MG_5112.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I have added some pictures that Cam Grundy took last weekend at the Bombala rally: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/bom061.html Thanks for the pics Cam. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 21 04:34:36 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 06:34:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Richard Backus e-mail address References: <20061120.231200.1060.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002f01c70d69$685fbb60$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Ron, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:12 AM Subject: [SEL] Need Richard Backus e-mail address > Hi Paul. > Try; rbackus at ogdenpubs.com > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 21 04:42:19 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:42:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... In-Reply-To: <000601c70d39$b7fbadd0$3259ecdc@Edd> References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com><000c01c70aad$9027dce0$3259ecdc@Edd> <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> <000601c70d39$b7fbadd0$3259ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <4562F42B.30504@imc-group.com> Edd, I will give your's and Jim's methods a try. The head stock is not adjustable (I think) as it is machined to fit over the same "vee" ways that the carriage moves on. Curt Edd Payne wrote: > Hi Curt.What you do is put some shafting between centres.Then take a > cut at the headstock end and measure the dia.Then with the same > setting on the cross slide take a cut at the tailstock end.If there is > a difference in dia ie 1" head 1.010' tail then you need to move the > tailstock towards the front.,you then repeat the procedure till you > get the same dia both ends.If you have an adjustable head stock you > need to set it first by turning a length of material held only in the > chuck and checking it for parallel. > 0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > >> Thanks Edd. Since you are a machining expert, I've got a question for >> you about tweaking a lathe in. Once I have the bed level all >> directions with a precision level, and if I still experience taper >> when using the tail stock, what is the procedure for dialing in the >> tailstock? Anyway of telling which side of center I may be on before >> making adjustments to the tailstock? >> Curt >> >> >> Edd Payne wrote: >> >>> Great job Curt.Really enjoyed the pics.That old lath will do a lot >>> of work for you. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>> To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:13 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... >>> >>> >>>> Another old piece of heavy iron is running again. A couple of >>>> months ago >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 21 04:55:27 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:55:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics In-Reply-To: <20061121122339.QAFM25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20061121122339.QAFM25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <4562F73F.4060002@imc-group.com> Patrick, You are spot on that Cam alone is a scary sight, and Cam working even scarier. While we were there, the most we saw him do was the 16 oz. curl! Hey the Bombala rally actually made the Platypus newsletter. Moving up in the world! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >One of my agents has provided me with evidence of Cam at work taking photos >at the Bombala rally (warning; this may scare the delicate amongst us): > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala06/_MG_5112.JPG > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- > >I have added some pictures that Cam Grundy took last weekend at the Bombala >rally: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/bom061.html >Thanks for the pics Cam. > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 21 05:09:17 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:09:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics References: <20061121122339.QAFM25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <004e01c70d6e$407ebd80$240110ac@FAMILY> Patrick I am so glad to see that Cam is being well fed as rumor had it that he was wasting away. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; "'Stationary Engine Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 6:23 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Bombala Pics > One of my agents has provided me with evidence of Cam at work taking > photos > at the Bombala rally (warning; this may scare the delicate amongst us): > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala06/_MG_5112.JPG > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Nov 21 05:32:32 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:32:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - any car restorers - headliner question In-Reply-To: <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1030.165.206.180.19.1164115952.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Doesn't apply to engines, may apply to tractors, does apply to cars/trucks. Headliner - the backing is like some fiberglass insulation batt that's been compressed and shaped. The vinyl is off because the foam backing on the vinyl gave way. All that's left is the fiberglass backerboard. It's a bit soft in places, especially a couple of the edges and corners. Is there a simple way to stiffen it up (like fiberlgass viagra?) that's water resistant (in case of leaks) and won't change the shape? I need to recover it but want any vinyl applied to have a nice smooth finish and keep the curves intact. It's been suggested to spray it with a paintgun loaded with watered-down elmers glue, but although that would work, it certainly won't be water resistant at all and the first bit of a leak and it's melt-down time (not as bad as a melt-down in Arnie's profession, but not good either) So has anyone needed to stiffen up a headliner backer, or other similar material and what would be the process? Anything that can be SPRAYED on it that would soak in and really stiffen it up? The rest of the car is literally ending up show-quality (we've spent weeks blocking it so it's perfect) so this needs to be good as well. Thanks. Bill Runnells, IA (Luke is coming back from Korea for a visit! - with a girl............) From falcon at telenet.net Tue Nov 21 07:21:04 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:21:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - any car restorers - headliner question In-Reply-To: <1030.165.206.180.19.1164115952.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1030.165.206.180.19.1164115952.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <45631960.5020109@telenet.net> bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Doesn't apply to engines, may apply to tractors, does apply to cars/trucks. > > Headliner - the backing is like some fiberglass insulation batt that's > been compressed and shaped. The vinyl is off because the foam backing on > the vinyl gave way. All that's left is the fiberglass backerboard. It's a > bit soft in places, especially a couple of the edges and corners. > Is there a simple way to stiffen it up (like fiberlgass viagra?) that's > water resistant (in case of leaks) and won't change the shape? > I need to recover it but want any vinyl applied to have a nice smooth > finish and keep the curves intact. > It's been suggested to spray it with a paintgun loaded with watered-down > elmers glue, but although that would work, it certainly won't be water > resistant at all and the first bit of a leak and it's melt-down time (not > as bad as a melt-down in Arnie's profession, but not good either) > > So has anyone needed to stiffen up a headliner backer, or other similar > material and what would be the process? > Anything that can be SPRAYED on it that would soak in and really stiffen > it up? > > The rest of the car is literally ending up show-quality (we've spent weeks > blocking it so it's perfect) so this needs to be good as well. > > Thanks. > > Bill > Runnells, IA > > (Luke is coming back from Korea for a visit! - with a girl............) > Use some polyester resin. The same stuff that you would use to lay up a fiberglass boat or repair a 'vette with. You can thin it out and spray it on OR just brush it on and let it flow out. Either one would work. Once it cures it will be waterproof. It is the same stuff the factory used when they made the backer panel as well. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 21 08:33:01 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:33:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmith shed finished In-Reply-To: <005501c70d0f$6366f1f0$6501a8c0@T60> References: <005501c70d0f$6366f1f0$6501a8c0@T60> Message-ID: <45632A3D.6060006@imc-group.com> Tommy Berry wrote: >Curt failed to mention that while Devin is hammering away It gives Curt >and Missey time to be alone with each other in a "private setting" As >long as the anvil is ringing they will be un disturbed! List lurker TB > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Oh THANKS a bunch Tommy! You know Devin reads the digest of the SEL and now our "secret" is no longer a secret! Owe you one buddy! Curt From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Nov 21 08:37:55 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:37:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - any car restorers - headliner question In-Reply-To: <1030.165.206.180.19.1164115952.squirrel@www.antique-engine s.com> References: <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> <20061121014701.58816.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1030.165.206.180.19.1164115952.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20061121110923.02f2d920@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Bill, Theres all manner of two part liquid epoxys that could be brushed on. Thats one way to do it. Get one thats fairly thin so it soaks in before it sets up. One product you might have on the shelf already we use on our old gas engines would be gas tank sealer, they come in two part reactive or one part air dry. Or go to a body shop that specializes in fibreglass body panel repair like for a Corvette or a Body Shop supplier like a paint store. Or a headliner shop, no kidding theres one in Lima Ohio specializes in just healiners and vinyl tops. They have products that would do what you need thats like what I described above. With GM products in particular but not the sole culpret, headliner repair is a growing part of the business. The fibreglass body panels have to be Gel coated to get the fibre sealed out or locked down so the fibres will not show. They don't brush it on but I am sure it could be. And considering the clean up time and expense of a gun verses just throwing a $1. brush in the trash thats the way I'd go. Shoot maybe they have a product in a spray bomb can that I don't know of. I know that some of the (GOOD) headliner glue now comes in a spray can Oh and that foam backer?! That helps take care of hiding small imperfections as well as helping the vinyl or fabric hold to the backer, mind you I said small imperfections, yah can't hide a golf ball under it. GRINNNNN Good luck, Mark At 08:32 AM 11/21/06, you wrote: >Doesn't apply to engines, may apply to tractors, does apply to cars/trucks. > >Headliner - the backing is like some fiberglass insulation batt that's >been compressed and shaped. The vinyl is off because the foam backing on >the vinyl gave way. All that's left is the fiberglass backerboard. It's a >bit soft in places, especially a couple of the edges and corners. >Is there a simple way to stiffen it up (like fiberlgass viagra?) that's >water resistant (in case of leaks) and won't change the shape? >I need to recover it but want any vinyl applied to have a nice smooth >finish and keep the curves intact. >It's been suggested to spray it with a paintgun loaded with watered-down >elmers glue, but although that would work, it certainly won't be water >resistant at all and the first bit of a leak and it's melt-down time (not >as bad as a melt-down in Arnie's profession, but not good either) > >So has anyone needed to stiffen up a headliner backer, or other similar >material and what would be the process? >Anything that can be SPRAYED on it that would soak in and really stiffen >it up? > >The rest of the car is literally ending up show-quality (we've spent weeks >blocking it so it's perfect) so this needs to be good as well. > >Thanks. > >Bill >Runnells, IA > >(Luke is coming back from Korea for a visit! - with a girl............) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 08:01:31 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:01:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... In-Reply-To: <4562F42B.30504@imc-group.com> References: <455E3426.4070609@imc-group.com> <000c01c70aad$9027dce0$3259ecdc@Edd> <45625152.5010703@imc-group.com> <000601c70d39$b7fbadd0$3259ecdc@Edd> <4562F42B.30504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160611210801s2edd7f83xf27c40445f964bcc@mail.gmail.com> On 21/11/06, Curt wrote: > Edd, > I will give your's and Jim's methods a try. > The head stock is not adjustable (I think) as it is machined to fit over > the same "vee" ways that the carriage moves on. > Curt > Most tailstocks are adjustable side to side, look for the join in the body just above the baseline. Our Raglan Littlejohn lathe is made so you can really offset it a lot over one way and lock it in place with a screw on each side to stop movement. The only one we can't do that on is the Ward 2A, but that is a Capstan anyway :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From edurand at iglou.com Tue Nov 21 12:26:15 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:26:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... In-Reply-To: <4562F42B.30504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt: If it's a REALLY cheap lathe and neither the headstock or tailstock is adjustable AND it is only a few thousandths out, you could place shims under one of the mounting pads and retighten. This will twist the ways a little, in effect moving the tailstock some. It would be a cut-and-try process. Of course, if it's too far off and you have to select a shim that's really thick to get the twist you need, when you tighten the bolt, you will hear the loud "CRACK", followed by your own personal comment. THEN you can hope the next lathe you own is of slightly better quality........Nyuk, nyuk! Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 06:42 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Chips on the floor.... > > Edd, > I will give your's and Jim's methods a try. > The head stock is not adjustable (I think) as it > is machined to fit over > the same "vee" ways that the carriage moves on. > Curt From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Nov 21 11:52:50 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:52:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Elden, I'll file that info away. Steve >From: "Elden DuRand" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:31:37 -0600 > >Ron & Steve: > >I think I didn't give enough information before. Referring to my 1908 >Electrical Engineer's Handbook, I have the following data for annealed >copper wire: > >16 gauge wire - 249.4 ft/Ohm >18 gauge wire - 156.9 ft/Ohm >20 gauge wire - 98.66 ft/Ohm >22 gauge wire - 62.05 ft/Ohm > >For a 6 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 3 Ohms or: > >16 gauge wire - 750 ft >18 gauge wire - 471 ft >20 gauge wire - 297 ft >22 gauge wire - 189 ft > >For a 12 Volt coil to draw 2 Amps, you'd need 6 Ohms or: > >16 gauge wire - 1,500 ft >18 gauge wire - 942 ft >20 gauge wire - 594 ft >22 gauge wire - 378 ft > >Simple, eh? Makes me want to go out and wind a few coils! > >Other than measuring the length of the wire before starting winding, you >could select your wire gauge and make a guess at the size of bobbin you'd >need for the requisite amount of wire (adding some just for yucks). Then, >after winding what you -think- is enough, hook one lead of your trusty >Ohmmeter to the "starting" end then scrape just a minute amound of >insulation off the wire and measure. From that, you should be able to tell >how close you are. > >To fix the insulation, you could either fold a tiny sliver of tissue paper >around the wire then wind it onto the winding or you could give it a shot >of either lacquer or "glyptol" to insulate the spot. > >Take care - Elden >edurand at iglou.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Steve > > Royster > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 12:58 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils > > > > > > How can you check the proper resistance after > > winding the coil, but before > > you cut the roll of wire you are winding it from? > > Thanks, Steve > > > > > > >From: "Elden DuRand" > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > > >Subject: RE: [SEL] Low tension coils > > >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:54:40 -0600 > > > > > >Ron: > > > > > >I think around 18 to 20 gauge would work well. > > Wind enough wire on the > > >core to get enough resistance for it to draw a > > couple of amps at whatever > > >voltage you plan to run it at. > > > > > >Take care - Elden DuRand > > >edurand at iglou.com > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 04:48 PM > > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > Subject: [SEL] Low tension coils > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > I have a chance to pickup copper magnet wire in > > > > various diameters for > > > > scrap price, what would be a good size for > > winding coils? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Ron Haskell > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 From jnyost at yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 05:03:24 2006 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:03:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: HAPPY THANKSGIVING Message-ID: <20061122130324.81891.qmail@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Note: forwarded message attached. Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Loan for $1399/mo. Calcuate new payment. www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Nov 23 03:51:10 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:51:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics References: <20061121122339.QAFM25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <4562F73F.4060002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <010e01c70ef5$ac444480$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hey Curt, what's a 16 oz curl, is it good or bad. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: ; "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics > Patrick, > You are spot on that Cam alone is a scary sight, and Cam working even > scarier. While we were there, the most we saw him do was the 16 oz. curl! > Hey the Bombala rally actually made the Platypus newsletter. Moving up in > the world! > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC >>To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >>stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >>with: >>unsubscribe >>in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Nov 23 03:54:24 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:54:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics References: <20061121122339.QAFM25683.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <004e01c70d6e$407ebd80$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <011301c70ef6$1f9c5030$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hi Paul Thanks for the kind words Mate, got get a lot off. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics > Patrick I am so glad to see that Cam is being well fed as rumor had it > that he was wasting away. > > Paul >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 23 04:14:05 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 23:14:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics Message-ID: <20061123121359.CDFJ20265.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Finally added some pics from the Taralga rally last weekend. This is pretty much our last rally for 2006: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 23 09:34:24 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:34:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics References: <20061123121359.CDFJ20265.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <004601c70f25$9ed40490$240110ac@FAMILY> Nice pictures Patrick, thanks for posting them, I really enjoyed them a lot. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:14 AM Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics > Finally added some pics from the Taralga rally last weekend. This is > pretty > much our last rally for 2006: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar061.html > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 23 13:02:19 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 08:02:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics References: <20061123121359.CDFJ20265.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003701c70f42$ab40b030$69336c3a@fred> Nice pictures Patrick , was it a Two day rally? 18th.+ 18thth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics > Finally added some pics from the Taralga rally last weekend. This is > pretty > much our last rally for 2006: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/547 - Release Date: > 22/11/2006 5:41 PM > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 23 14:46:40 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 09:46:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics References: <20061123121359.CDFJ20265.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <003701c70f42$ab40b030$69336c3a@fred> Message-ID: <000801c70f51$3e728a50$95016d3a@Edd> Be kind .A hard long day at the ABC can do that to a man.GREAT PICS MATE. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga Pics > Nice pictures Patrick , was it a Two day rally? 18th.+ 18thth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:14 PM > Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics > > >> Finally added some pics from the Taralga rally last weekend. This is >> pretty >> much our last rally for 2006: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar061.html >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/547 - Release Date: >> 22/11/2006 5:41 PM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 23 16:01:24 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:01:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spencer Message-ID: After a NICE day, only think it's appropriate to say: "Thanks Spence and what you do!!". RickinMt. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 23 20:18:05 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 23:18:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics In-Reply-To: <000801c70f51$3e728a50$95016d3a@Edd> References: <20061123121359.CDFJ20265.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <003701c70f42$ab40b030$69336c3a@fred> <000801c70f51$3e728a50$95016d3a@Edd> Message-ID: <1164341885.4566727d0a8ef@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, You should be ashamed mate. Posting pics of a group sex scene to a family list like this one. The lust in the eyes... AWFUL! http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar06/tar06094.JPG See ya, Arnie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > > > >> Finally added some pics from the Taralga rally last weekend. This is > >> pretty much our last rally for 2006: From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 15:01:15 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 17:01:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cart Design Needed Message-ID: <005201c7101c$725f85e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks as most of you know I am restoring my 1905 Stover 5 HP Vertical Stover. The engine was originally mounted on a skid and it was put in a pump house where it set all of it's life until it was sold. I want to make a cart for it and would like to look at some different designs that folks have come up with such as steel frame, wooden frame, straight frame, dropped cart, .....whatever, just want some ideas as I am not totally committed to try and rebuild it to an original Stover design. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 15:08:42 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 17:08:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cooling Tank Ideas Message-ID: <005b01c7101d$7c92a5f0$240110ac@FAMILY> I would like to see some of the many different types, designs, and configurations of cooling tanks that people have come up with for cooling tanks for their engines other than just the conventional round sheetmetal tanks. Just thought it would be something that everyone might enjoy looking at as well as I am looking for ideas also. I have a new conventional style sheetmetal tank for my Stover I am working on BUT might want to use something more creative just to be different. Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Nov 24 15:14:48 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 18:14:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cooling Tank Ideas In-Reply-To: <005b01c7101d$7c92a5f0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <005b01c7101d$7c92a5f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <0210843fbf654df8d421e6abb9d4b034@chartertn.net> Scroll down a little to see Dolly's Purple Pickle. http://oldengine.org/members/culp/dolly.html John On Nov 24, 2006, at 6:08 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > I would like to see some of the many different types, designs, and > configurations of cooling tanks that people have come up with for > cooling tanks for their engines other than just the conventional round > sheetmetal tanks. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 15:44:37 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 17:44:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cooling Tank Ideas References: <005b01c7101d$7c92a5f0$240110ac@FAMILY> <0210843fbf654df8d421e6abb9d4b034@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <008a01c71022$812c8720$240110ac@FAMILY> Got it John, thanks. From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling Tank Ideas > Scroll down a little to see Dolly's Purple Pickle. > > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/dolly.html > > John > > On Nov 24, 2006, at 6:08 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> I would like to see some of the many different types, designs, and >> configurations of cooling tanks that people have come up with for >> cooling tanks for their engines other than just the conventional round From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 24 16:44:21 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:44:21 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Cooling Tank Ideas References: <005b01c7101d$7c92a5f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000d01c7102a$da6918a0$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 11:08 PM Subject: [SEL] Cooling Tank Ideas I would like to see some of the many different types, designs, and configurations of cooling tanks that people have come up with for cooling tanks for their engines other than just the conventional round sheetmetal tanks. Just thought it would be something that everyone might enjoy looking at as well as I am looking for ideas also. I have a new conventional style sheetmetal tank for my Stover I am working on BUT might want to use something more creative just to be different. Paul Hi Paul, you probably won't be able to copy this. I obtained this 1912 Early Lister J type about 1970 & the origional large steel cooling tank had rusted away. I replaced it with a Dolly Tub which was the tub used years ago in England to hand wash the families clothe's. Nobody ever commented that I had the wrong tank. See http://www.drewpritchard.co.uk/database_images/antiques/940-thumb.jpg for a dolly tub & http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2334296370028520097LyistY for a bad picture of what it looked like. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 18:06:18 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:06:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need John Hammink E-mail address Message-ID: <00e601c71036$4c7430f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Can someone send me John Hamminks e-mail address. Thanks, Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 24 18:36:07 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:36:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Most of you know that I took a drive to KA to pick up an 11 HP Austral which I purchased from Rob and Kelley. It was almost 5,500 miles round trip. The pictures of my trip are finally up at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/Rotigel/Roti_Eng/Austral/index.html It took me 9 days and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Driving across the USA and seeing the change of landscape is well worth the time. Bringing home an Austral made it MUCH more than worthwhile! Dave From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Nov 24 18:38:31 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:38:31 EST Subject: [SEL] Need John Hammink E-mail address Message-ID: In a message dated 11/24/2006 6:09:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: Can someone send me John Hamminks e-mail address. Paul, John died about a year ago. I believe his wife is still maintaining his web site. Francis From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 18:42:38 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:42:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need John Hammink E-mail address References: Message-ID: <011201c7103b$5f7d98d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Francis, several have written to me to let me know that John passed away and I am so sorry for sending out the post as I had no idea he had passed away. Hopefully, if I have offended anyone, they will forgive me. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need John Hammink E-mail address > > In a message dated 11/24/2006 6:09:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: > > Can someone send me John Hamminks e-mail address. > > > Paul, > John died about a year ago. I believe his wife is still maintaining his > web > site. > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 24 18:48:19 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:48:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Season Over! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124214239.03bc0aa0@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The 2006 show season is pretty well over here in the northern hemisphere. I finally got some pictures of the 2006 shows to my son DJ and he has put them up. They can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 18:49:34 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:49:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <011701c7103c$57367f60$240110ac@FAMILY> Great pictures Dave and I really liked how you stopped in front of the various state signs and took pictures of the engine, trailer, and truck. Is that a big steam engine you have on the trailer in some of the first pictures? Thanks for posting them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! > Hi All, > Most of you know that I took a drive to KA to pick up an 11 HP Austral > which I purchased from Rob and Kelley. It was almost 5,500 miles round > trip. The pictures of my trip are finally up at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/Rotigel/Roti_Eng/Austral/index.html It > took me 9 days and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Driving across the USA > and seeing the change of landscape is well worth the time. Bringing home > an Austral made it MUCH more than worthwhile! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 24 19:16:19 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:16:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! In-Reply-To: <011701c7103c$57367f60$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> <011701c7103c$57367f60$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124221457.03bc0be8@mail.alltel.net> >Is that a big steam engine you have on the trailer in some of the first >pictures? >Paul Yup, but it is not on my trailer. I just noticed it in a rest area and took several pictures of it. Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 24 19:19:19 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:19:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need John Hammink E-mail address In-Reply-To: <011201c7103b$5f7d98d0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <011201c7103b$5f7d98d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124221739.03bc0ea0@mail.alltel.net> At 09:42 PM 11/24/2006, you wrote: >Thanks Francis, several have written to me to let me know that John passed >away and I am so sorry for sending out the post as I had no idea he had >passed away. Hopefully, if I have offended anyone, they will forgive me. >Paul Hi Paul, NO ONE should take any offence at your request--and I'm sure that none did! Dave From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 24 20:13:09 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:43:09 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 Volume Set) References: <011201c7103b$5f7d98d0$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20061124221739.03bc0ea0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000701c71048$04a7e430$79dda03a@chaos> Hate to lead people astray, but here is a link to some interesting ebooks in pdf format. http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/scrap_metal_shop.html Could be handy for some. From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 24 20:34:59 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:04:59 +1030 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> Complete Book of Sand Casting http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/sand_casting.html Building a Gas Fired Crucible Furnace http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/gas_furnance.html Making Crucibles http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/making_crucibles.html and this one may be handy reading Secrets of Building a Plastic Vacuum Forming Machine http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/plastic_forming.html Gas Burners for Forges, Furnaces and Kilns http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/gas_burners.html Just follow download links on above pages. From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Nov 24 20:59:01 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:59:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 Volume Set) In-Reply-To: <000701c71048$04a7e430$79dda03a@chaos> Message-ID: <002901c7104e$6d7e3670$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> How do you download them? I've had no success after several tries. Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Hate to lead people astray, but here is a link to some interesting ebooks in pdf format. http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/scrap_metal_shop.html Could be handy for some. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 3:22 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 3:22 PM From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Nov 24 21:14:53 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 23:14:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 Volume Set) In-Reply-To: <002901c7104e$6d7e3670$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <002a01c71050$a50dc680$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Figured it out but only one free download it seems per hour or so. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lew Best Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 10:59 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 Volume Set) How do you download them? I've had no success after several tries. Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Hate to lead people astray, but here is a link to some interesting ebooks in pdf format. http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/scrap_metal_shop.html Could be handy for some. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 3:22 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 3:22 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 3:22 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 3:22 PM From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Nov 24 21:38:15 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:38:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200611250539.kAP5cT0o064929@mail-gw.fsr.net> Wow, Dave! I didn't realize how big of a honker that Austral is until I see it and your truck together. Thank you for posting the very interesting pictures. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 6:36 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! Hi All, Most of you know that I took a drive to KA to pick up an 11 HP Austral which I purchased from Rob and Kelley. It was almost 5,500 miles round trip. The pictures of my trip are finally up at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/Rotigel/Roti_Eng/Austral/index.html It took me 9 days and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Driving across the USA and seeing the change of landscape is well worth the time. Bringing home an Austral made it MUCH more than worthwhile! Dave From rwenig at telus.net Fri Nov 24 22:23:41 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 23:23:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks In-Reply-To: <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> Message-ID: <4567E16D.50302@telus.net> Hi Guys, I hate to say this but a bug of some kind got my protective software very excited when I was on one of these links. don't recall which one as I had three downloading at the same time. So open with care. I found several bad spyware files which are new since yesterday. I risk sending this but figure I should. I go off line now to do more checking. Rupert > Complete Book of Sand Casting > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/sand_casting.html > > Building a Gas Fired Crucible Furnace > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/gas_furnance.html > > Making Crucibles > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/making_crucibles.html > > and this one may be handy reading > Secrets of Building a Plastic Vacuum Forming Machine > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/plastic_forming.html > > > Gas Burners for Forges, Furnaces and Kilns > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/gas_burners.html > > Just follow download links on above pages. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 24 23:05:49 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:35:49 +1030 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net><000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> <4567E16D.50302@telus.net> Message-ID: <000a01c71060$237ba8c0$79dda03a@chaos> sorry, i didnt try the links at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rupert Wenig" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] more ebooks > Hi Guys, > I hate to say this but a bug of some kind got my protective software > very excited when I was on one of these links. don't recall which one as From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 23:31:33 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:31:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Need John Hammink E-mail address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160611242331q62d7738bo16197153034d14db@mail.gmail.com> On 25/11/06, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/24/2006 6:09:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: > > Can someone send me John Hamminks e-mail address. > > > Paul, > John died about a year ago. I believe his wife is still maintaining his web > site. > > Francis > Correct, Francis, Ria Hammink asked that John's site be kept available for all of his friends and other engine guys. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rwenig at telus.net Sat Nov 25 00:58:27 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 01:58:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks In-Reply-To: <000a01c71060$237ba8c0$79dda03a@chaos> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net><000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> <4567E16D.50302@telus.net> <000a01c71060$237ba8c0$79dda03a@chaos> Message-ID: <456805B3.6020700@telus.net> No problem Derek, It was my spyware program that came up with the warning. The file name was "downloader.Zlob.azl". It got installed in three different places before I got the warning. It took an hour but I think I have it all cleaned up now. I'll see if I feel brave enough to go back and figure out where it came from. It could also have come in on a back door of one of the files. I can't download the ebooks as I only have dial up. I did start one though and it started downloading fine. I stopped it after I found out it would take over three hours to get the complete file. I find it strange that the authors would allow the free downloads as they are bread and butter for them. Rupert derek wrote: > sorry, i didnt try the links at all. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rupert Wenig" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] more ebooks > > >> Hi Guys, >> I hate to say this but a bug of some kind got my protective software >> very excited when I was on one of these links. don't recall which one as > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 19:41:45 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:41:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net><011701c7103c$57367f60$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20061124221457.03bc0be8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <011c01c71043$a1f4b290$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Dave I thought maybe you were getting into Steam. I did not pay any attention to the trailer. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trip to KA! > >>Is that a big steam engine you have on the trailer in some of the first >>pictures? >>Paul > > Yup, but it is not on my trailer. I just noticed it in a rest area and > took several pictures of it. > Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 25 04:59:56 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:59:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks In-Reply-To: <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> Message-ID: <45683E4C.3040009@scrtc.com> Derek, I clicked on a couple of the links and it brought up an advertisement for Girls Gone Wild Videos. Not sure what they have gone wild over, possibly old iron?? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Complete Book of Sand Casting > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/sand_casting.html > > Building a Gas Fired Crucible Furnace > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/gas_furnance.html > > Making Crucibles > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/making_crucibles.html > > and this one may be handy reading > Secrets of Building a Plastic Vacuum Forming Machine > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/plastic_forming.html > > > Gas Burners for Forges, Furnaces and Kilns > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/gas_burners.html > > Just follow download links on above pages. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From shop at cccomm.net Sat Nov 25 05:48:43 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 05:48:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Cart Design Needed References: <005201c7101c$725f85e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <007501c71098$6c58c9a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> If you want a heavy duty cart of unique design, here's an idea http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31729261&f= Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Cart Design Needed > Folks as most of you know I am restoring my 1905 Stover 5 HP Vertical > Stover. The engine was originally mounted on a skid and it was put in a > pump house where it set all of it's life until it was sold. I want to make > a cart for it and would like to look at some different designs that folks > have come up with such as steel frame, wooden frame, straight frame, > dropped cart, .....whatever, just want some ideas as I am not totally > committed to try and rebuild it to an original Stover design. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From falcon at telenet.net Sat Nov 25 06:08:22 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:08:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 Volume Set) In-Reply-To: <002a01c71050$a50dc680$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <002a01c71050$a50dc680$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <45684E56.6040802@telenet.net> Use the lower set of links and you can download them all real quick. You just have to find the correct link on the page that comes up when you select the link on the first page. It will say something like, here is your 2 hour link to and show the file name. Then unpack it into the original Pdf files. Lew Best wrote: > Figured it out but only one free download it seems per hour or so. > > Lew > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lew Best > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 10:59 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 > Volume Set) > > How do you download them? I've had no success after several tries. > > Lew Best near Waco, TX > > -----Original Message----- > > Hate to lead people astray, but here is a link to some interesting > ebooks in > pdf format. > http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/scrap_metal_shop.html > > Could be handy for some. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 06:34:09 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:34:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks In-Reply-To: <45683E4C.3040009@scrtc.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> <45683E4C.3040009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160611250634g13ea32b2j24bf03c72aba551c@mail.gmail.com> On 25/11/06, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Derek, > I clicked on a couple of the links and it brought up an > advertisement for Girls Gone Wild Videos. Not sure what they have gone > wild over, possibly old iron?? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > Well, it is a Romanian site... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Nov 25 07:55:39 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:55:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> <000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> <45683E4C.3040009@scrtc.com> <6f6025160611250634g13ea32b2j24bf03c72aba551c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201c710aa$28037b30$336d4b47@mikecomp> I know that when I bring more old iron home my wife certainly goes wild!!!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] more ebooks > On 25/11/06, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Derek, >> I clicked on a couple of the links and it brought up an >> advertisement for Girls Gone Wild Videos. Not sure what they have gone >> wild over, possibly old iron?? >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> > > Well, it is a Romanian site... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Nov 25 08:20:59 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 08:20:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks In-Reply-To: <456805B3.6020700@telus.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net><000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> <4567E16D.50302@telus.net> <000a01c71060$237ba8c0$79dda03a@chaos> <456805B3.6020700@telus.net> Message-ID: <89B74445-D724-44EE-8FB1-002F41832C89@rustyiron.com> > I find it strange that the authors would allow the free downloads > as they are bread and butter for them. Hi Rupert, It's not strange at all. The site is in Russia, and the Russians are the second biggest internet thieves, right behind China. You can bet Gingery's heirs haven't authorized these downloads. You know what they say about "Sleeping with the dogs...", so don't be surprised if you wake up with spyware if you choose to visit that site. Rob Rob Skinner 1721 Brookdale Avenue ? La Habra, CA 90631 ? 562.694.2301 rskinner at rustyiron.com ? http://www.rustyiron.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 25 08:21:09 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:21:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cart Design Needed References: <005201c7101c$725f85e0$240110ac@FAMILY> <007501c71098$6c58c9a0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <017001c710ad$b8375890$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Dave, that is one more heavy duty cart if I ever saw one/ Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cart Design Needed > If you want a heavy duty cart of unique design, here's an idea > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31729261&f= > > Dave > From edurand at iglou.com Sat Nov 25 12:09:03 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:09:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update In-Reply-To: <20061016035321.61476.qmail@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Group: I've posted an update to the web page about the Fairbanks-Morse power station. It's at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From rwenig at telus.net Sat Nov 25 12:49:21 2006 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:49:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] more ebooks In-Reply-To: <89B74445-D724-44EE-8FB1-002F41832C89@rustyiron.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net><000c01c7104b$11006a60$79dda03a@chaos> <4567E16D.50302@telus.net> <000a01c71060$237ba8c0$79dda03a@chaos> <456805B3.6020700@telus.net> <89B74445-D724-44EE-8FB1-002F41832C89@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4568AC51.2030202@telus.net> Hello Rob, You can say that again. The worst culprit was a file called "downloader.*** something. My spyware program got excited almost as soon as I clicked on the link. There were three of them with different endings plus some other files I don't want. Took me over an hour to clean up my machine. I have paper versions of all the books in links but took a look to see what it was all about. A 3 or more hour download was out of the question so I didn't download any of the books. I have dial up. The bad stuff wasn't combined with the books. It was in the other links from the main pages. Rupert Rob Skinner wrote: > >> I find it strange that the authors would allow the free downloads as >> they are bread and butter for them. > > Hi Rupert, > It's not strange at all. The site is in Russia, and the Russians are > the second biggest internet thieves, right behind China. You can bet > Gingery's heirs haven't authorized these downloads. > > You know what they say about "Sleeping with the dogs...", so don't be > surprised if you wake up with spyware if you choose to visit that site. > > Rob > > > Rob Skinner > 1721 Brookdale Avenue ? La Habra, CA 90631 ? 562.694.2301 > rskinner at rustyiron.com ? http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > --No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.11/543 - Release Date: > 11/20/2006 9:20 PM > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From oiseming at moscow.com Sat Nov 25 16:07:51 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 16:07:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200611260008.kAQ0830A046507@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you for the update, Elden. It's good to know the equipment won't wind up in the scrap pile. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 12:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update Group: I've posted an update to the web page about the Fairbanks-Morse power station. It's at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20 Station.html Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Sat Nov 25 18:45:11 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:15:11 +1030 Subject: [SEL] re more ebooks Message-ID: <003201c71104$e4ae0660$79dda03a@chaos> These are the links to the files, choose free download, wait required time, enter the three letter code and save the file. I use symantec corporate antivirus (latest definitions) and outlook firewall, i also reject 99.9% of cookies, have never had a problem with any of the other files i have found there. Ammen, C. W. Complete Book of Sand Casting ISBN: 0830698418 | Tab Books, 1979 | 238 pgs | Scanned pdf | 43 Mb http://rapidshare.com/files/4671684/0830698418.rar.html Gingery, David J. | Building a Gas Fired Crucible Furnace ISBN: 1878087088 | Gingery Publishing, 1988 | 108 pgs | pdf | 4.25 Mb http://rapidshare.com/files/4671803/1878087088.rar.html Gingery, Vincent R. | Making Crucibles ISBN: 1878087274 | Gingery Publishing, 2003 | 60 pgs |scanned pdf | 81 Mb http://rapidshare.com/files/4674251/1878087274.rar.html Gingery, Vincent R. | Secrets of Building a Plastic Vacuum Forming Machine ISBN: 1878087223 | Gingery Publishing, 1999 | 106 pgs | pdf | 4 Mb http://rapidshare.com/files/4671914/1878087223.rar.html Porter, Michael Gas Burners for Forges, Furnaces and Kilns ISBN: 1879535203 | Skipjack Press, 2004 | 204 pgs | pdf | 60 Mb http://rapidshare.com/files/4670518/1879535203.rar.html Vol. 1: Charcoal Foundry | ISBN: 1878087002 | Gingery Publishing, 2000 | 80 pgs Charcoal_Foundry.rar (25.54 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4596499/Charcoal_Foundry.rar.html Vol. 2: Metal Lathe | ISBN: 1878087010 | Gingery Publishing, 1980 | 128 pgs Metal_Lathe.rar (1.16 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4596569/Metal_Lathe.rar.html Vol. 3: Metal Shaper | ISBN: 1878087029 | Gingery Publishing, 1998 | 144 pgs Metal_Shaper.rar (1.75 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4596610/Metal_Shaper.rar.html Vol. 4: Milling Machine | ISBN: 1878087037 | Gingery Publishing, 2000 | 160 pgs Milling_Machine.rar (7.31 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4596758/Milling_Machine.rar.html Vol. 5: Drill Press | ISBN: 096043304X | Gingery Publishing, 1982 | 160 Drill_Press.rar (21.77 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4597146/Drill_Press.rar.html Vol. 6: Dividing Head and Deluxe Accessories | ISBN: 0960433058 | Gingery Publishing, 2000 | 160 pgs Dividing_Head.rar (56.38 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4596095/Dividing_Head.rar.html Vol. 7: Sheet Metal Brake | ISBN: 1878087061 | Gingery Publishing, 2000 | 51 pgs Sheet_Metal_Brake.rar (2.35 Mb) http://rapidshare.com/files/4596544/Sheet_Metal_Brake.rar.html From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 25 19:53:28 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:53:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap (7 Volume Set) In-Reply-To: <000701c71048$04a7e430$79dda03a@chaos> Message-ID: <20061126035328.74842.qmail@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That seems wrong to me. I own a copy of all those books. I bought them. They probably are still for sale. Much nicer to have the books than a stack of papers too. Try this link http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/series/index.html Alan Bowen derek wrote: Hate to lead people astray, but here is a link to some interesting ebooks in pdf format. http://avaxhome.ru/ebooks/scrap_metal_shop.html Could be handy for some. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. From oiseming at moscow.com Sat Nov 25 20:52:25 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:52:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] re more ebooks In-Reply-To: <003201c71104$e4ae0660$79dda03a@chaos> Message-ID: <200611260452.kAQ4qdiB021391@mail-gw.fsr.net> It certainly looks to me as if there are some serious copyright issues, here. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of derek Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:45 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] re more ebooks These are the links to the files, choose free download, wait required time, enter the three letter code and save the file. I use symantec corporate antivirus (latest definitions) and outlook firewall, i also reject 99.9% of cookies, have never had a problem with any of the other files i have found there. From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Sat Nov 25 22:23:03 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:53:03 +1030 Subject: [SEL] re more ebooks References: <200611260452.kAQ4qdiB021391@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <000801c71123$54995150$79dda03a@chaos> i showed you the cherry orchid, no need to pick the cherries ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] re more ebooks > It certainly looks to me as if there are some serious copyright issues, > here. > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of derek > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:45 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Nov 25 23:22:15 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:22:15 EST Subject: [SEL] O. T. Check out TV Links - How its Made / Done Message-ID: Hi, Here are some interesting sites on how things are made/done. _Click here: TV Links - How its Made / Done_ (http://www.tv-links.co.uk/How_its_done.html) < _http://www.tv-links.co.uk/How_its_done.html_ (http://www.tv-links.co.uk/How_its_done.html) > Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 26 04:29:34 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:29:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics In-Reply-To: <1164341885.4566727d0a8ef@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20061126122923.TYLX3982.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I am a bit worried about you Arnie. Everyone else (except maybe those from New Zealand) just see a pen full of sheep. It is interesting that you are the only one to find the sexual content. Is it those long lonely nights traveling to engine shows with only Dave for company? ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day Patrick, You should be ashamed mate. Posting pics of a group sex scene to a family list like this one. The lust in the eyes... AWFUL! http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar06/tar06094.JPG See ya, Arnie From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 26 04:29:34 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:29:34 +1100 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Taralga Pics In-Reply-To: <003701c70f42$ab40b030$69336c3a@fred> Message-ID: <20061126123021.TYQO3982.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Oh well, just goes to show that not even I am perfect ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Nice pictures Patrick , was it a Two day rally? 18th.+ 18thth ----- Original Message ----- From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Nov 26 06:02:16 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:02:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics In-Reply-To: <20061126122923.TYLX3982.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <1164341885.4566727d0a8ef@webmail.city-net.com> <20061126122923.TYLX3982.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6f6025160611260602k6eb3ef06k6de7f991568511b7@mail.gmail.com> On 26/11/06, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I am a bit worried about you Arnie. Everyone else (except maybe those from > New Zealand) just see a pen full of sheep. It is interesting that you are > the only one to find the sexual content. Is it those long lonely nights > traveling to engine shows with only Dave for company? ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone Maybe Arnie has Welsh ancestry? :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Nov 27 07:46:45 2006 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:46:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT- trailer connector Message-ID: <000a01c7123b$3e5fbaa0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> does anyone have a source for a good quality usa made metal trailer connector ? its the 7 pin RV type. i need both trailer and truck ends,,,,,, my local NAPA store has gone taiwan,, man, i get tired of that plastic crap,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Nov 27 08:24:49 2006 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:24:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update References: Message-ID: <002201c71240$927904c0$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Elden, I'll be looking forward to the updates. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: [SEL] F-M Power Station Update > Group: > > I've posted an update to the web page about the Fairbanks-Morse power > station. > > It's at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html > > Take care - Elden > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 27 09:59:48 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:59:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT- trailer connector Message-ID: <20061127.125948.780.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bill, Sorry I can't help ya. But - I admire your position on plastic crap. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A politician is someone who never met a tax he didn't like." (_o_) From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 27 10:49:08 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:49:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT- trailer connector In-Reply-To: <000a01c7123b$3e5fbaa0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> References: <000a01c7123b$3e5fbaa0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061127134749.03b8f540@mail.alltel.net> At 10:46 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: >does anyone have a source for a good quality usa made metal trailer >connector ? its the 7 pin RV type. >i need both trailer and truck ends,,,,,, >my local NAPA store has gone taiwan,, man, i get tired of that plastic >crap,,, >bill boyce >lost prairie, arkansas Hi Bill, a local auto electrical store here has them. $25.00 per pair. Do you want me to pick a pair up for you? Dave From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Nov 27 12:40:48 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:40:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT- trailer connector Message-ID: <20061127.124049.1360.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Bill. Redneck Trailers has them, they have stores all over the country. See: http://www.redneck-trailer.com/2006/J/J27-J29.pdf Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >does anyone have a source for a good quality usa made metal trailer > > >connector ? its the 7 pin RV type. > >i need both trailer and truck ends,,,,,, > >my local NAPA store has gone taiwan,, man, i get tired of that > plastic > >crap,,, > >bill boyce > >lost prairie, arkansas From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Nov 27 17:38:55 2006 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:38:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT- trailer connector References: <000a01c7123b$3e5fbaa0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> <6.1.2.0.0.20061127134749.03b8f540@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001c01c7128d$f9486b30$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> dave,, thanks for the generous offer,,, i will exhaust my other options before i burden you with picking up the ones you spoke of,, thanks again,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT- trailer connector > At 10:46 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: >>does anyone have a source for a good quality usa made metal trailer >>connector ? its the 7 pin RV type. >>i need both trailer and truck ends,,,,,, >>my local NAPA store has gone taiwan,, man, i get tired of that plastic >>crap,,, >>bill boyce >>lost prairie, arkansas > > Hi Bill, a local auto electrical store here has them. $25.00 per pair. Do > you want me to pick a pair up for you? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Nov 27 19:52:50 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:52:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans Message-ID: <410-220061122835250671@earthlink.net> After giving up on my search to find these plans I decided to give it one last try tonight and WALA!! I found them. For all those who wish a copy, please email me (tchristoff at earthlink.net) your snail mail address and I will send a copy to you. Keep in mind that these are 3rd generation copies and will take a bit of work to read, they are readable but not the best, but then again you are not having to pay for them either. There is also some hand drawn diagrams with these that was done by the person I got these from, he made them as he was building his and it works great. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Mon Nov 27 20:33:14 2006 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:33:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! Message-ID: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, and kept us headed in the right direction. Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should not be too much to download. Here are the links: http://www.youtube.com/v/YkmoWjqsCwo http://www.youtube.com/v/6mio1Ub_2q4 http://www.youtube.com/v/ZXGH5fcjlXQ To see the project web pages, a little out of date now, go to: http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com and click on "steam engine". Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Mon Nov 27 20:32:20 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:32:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! In-Reply-To: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: <00a401c712a6$3261f4a0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> That's really neat!!!!!!!!!!! Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of James Mackessy Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:33 PM To: The SEL email list Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, and kept us headed in the right direction. Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should not be too much to download. Here are the links: http://www.youtube.com/v/YkmoWjqsCwo http://www.youtube.com/v/6mio1Ub_2q4 http://www.youtube.com/v/ZXGH5fcjlXQ To see the project web pages, a little out of date now, go to: http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com and click on "steam engine". Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project _______________________________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.17/553 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 4:00 AM From rustyjnk at ncbb.net Mon Nov 27 21:27:37 2006 From: rustyjnk at ncbb.net (rustyjnk) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:27:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! In-Reply-To: <00a401c712a6$3261f4a0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <00a401c712a6$3261f4a0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <456BC8C9.5090705@ncbb.net> Lew, I remember and appreciate your struggle. I was thrilled to see and hear it , even for a few seconds. NKarde Lew Best wrote: >That's really neat!!!!!!!!!!! > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of James >Mackessy >Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:33 PM >To: The SEL email list >Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! > >Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a >corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in >Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through >this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really >could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a >snag, the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and >encouragement, and kept us headed in the right direction. >Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could >test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power >strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the >first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't >know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We >have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the >piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost >there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by >spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should >not be too much to download. Here are the links: >http://www.youtube.com/v/YkmoWjqsCwo >http://www.youtube.com/v/6mio1Ub_2q4 >http://www.youtube.com/v/ZXGH5fcjlXQ >To see the project web pages, a little out of date now, go to: >http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com >and click on "steam engine". >Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your >restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, >and some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think >we would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! >Best Regards; >Jim Mackessy >Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project > >_______________________________________________ > > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Nov 28 04:38:31 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:38:31 EST Subject: [SEL] Expansion (Freeze) Plugs Message-ID: <473.979ec76.329d87c7@aol.com> Hi List, Have you ever tried to find the size of available Dorman expansion (freeze) plugs? It took me some time to find the information. Here is the web site for Dorman's expansion plugs: < _https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91corp30r/cat_search1.w?sid=0x008eae5f&clt=hwrap1&vsrch_str=&vsrch_cat=Conca ve%20Expansion%20Plugs&vsrch_brand=all&vsrch_range=&st_amount=&end_amount=&from_page=search&category_no=520&sku=&c ategory_list=1406%3A520&vfrom=&vtime=26956&item_no_ (https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91corp30r/cat_search1.w?sid=0x008eae5f&clt=hwrap1&vsrch_str=&v srch_cat=Concave%20Expansion%20Plugs&vsrch_brand=all&vsrch_range=&st_amount=&e nd_amount=&from_page=search&category_no=520&sku=&category_list=1406:520&vfrom= &vtime=26956&item_no) = > Click on the Dorman's part number to find the size of the plug. Example: clicking on 550-033 will show that is part is 2?" diameter - the size needed for the IHC LB. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Nov 28 05:03:26 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:03:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Expansion (Freeze) Plugs References: <473.979ec76.329d87c7@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Francis...should come in handy for the Trackson also. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: [SEL] Expansion (Freeze) Plugs Hi List, Have you ever tried to find the size of available Dorman expansion (freeze) plugs? It took me some time to find the information. Here is the web site for Dorman's expansion plugs: < _https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91corp30r/cat_search1.w?sid=0x008eae5f&clt=hwrap1&vsrch_str=&vsrch_cat=Conca ve%20Expansion%20Plugs&vsrch_brand=all&vsrch_range=&st_amount=&end_amount=&from_page=search&category_no=520&sku=&c ategory_list=1406%3A520&vfrom=&vtime=26956&item_no_ (https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91corp30r/cat_search1.w?sid=0x008eae5f&clt=hwrap1&vsrch_str=&v srch_cat=Concave%20Expansion%20Plugs&vsrch_brand=all&vsrch_range=&st_amount=&e nd_amount=&from_page=search&category_no=520&sku=&category_list=1406:520&vfrom= &vtime=26956&item_no) = > Click on the Dorman's part number to find the size of the plug. Example: clicking on 550-033 will show that is part is 2?" diameter - the size needed for the IHC LB. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Nov 28 05:07:03 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:07:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! References: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: Very nice Jim..Congrat's to you and the gang! Hopefully this coming spring and summer, I can get some time on a somewhat local Corliss style. This one is hooked to a refer compressor and was used to cool shimstock. It definetly needs some respect :-) Would like to see the boiler that baby uses. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy" To: "The SEL email list" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, and kept us headed in the right direction. Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should not be too much to download. Here are the links: http://www.youtube.com/v/YkmoWjqsCwo http://www.youtube.com/v/6mio1Ub_2q4 http://www.youtube.com/v/ZXGH5fcjlXQ To see the project web pages, a little out of date now, go to: http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com and click on "steam engine". Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jtray26 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 28 06:50:02 2006 From: jtray26 at yahoo.com (john ray) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:50:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! In-Reply-To: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: <20061128145002.19137.qmail@web54514.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to you all for preserving a great piece of history! That truly is AWESOME!!! Great work guys! Thanks for the videos. I enjoyed them very much. It is inspiring to see a long, complex project so near a successful end... Warmest Regards, Tyler Ray James Mackessy wrote: Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, and kept us headed in the right direction. Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should not be too much to download. Here are the links: http://www.youtube.com/v/YkmoWjqsCwo http://www.youtube.com/v/6mio1Ub_2q4 http://www.youtube.com/v/ZXGH5fcjlXQ To see the project web pages, a little out of date now, go to: http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com and click on "steam engine". Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 28 06:44:18 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:44:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! In-Reply-To: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> References: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: Hi Jim, I can remember those heady days when you first announced this project. WELL DONE!!!!! As I said then, I'll say again now, be sure to invite us all to the first steam up. We can bring our own champaign. 8-)) Ya know getting her turning on compressed air might just serve as "encouragement" for the Tod Engine project too. What goes around comes around as they say. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, James Mackessy wrote: > Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, and kept us headed in the right direction. > Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should not be too much to download. Here are the links: > Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Nov 28 07:51:28 2006 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:51:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! References: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: <000801c71305$1162cb80$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Hi Rick; Boiler is a Cleaver-Brooks CB-100. Not quite as nice as a brickset HRT, but the price was right. Originally, this engine ran on a bank of 3 400 HP Keeler watertube boilers, dual fuel ( oil and coal). We will fire on oil, but we have put in a stop and check so we can bring a wood fired boiler on line also, if we're lucky enough to find one we can afford! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! > Very nice Jim..Congrat's to you and the gang! Hopefully this coming spring > and summer, I can get some time on a somewhat local Corliss style. This one > is hooked to a refer compressor and was used to cool shimstock. It > definetly needs some respect :-) > > Would like to see the boiler that baby uses. > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Mackessy" > To: "The SEL email list" > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:33 PM > Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! > > > Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a corliss > steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in Syracuse, > New York, when that building was demolished. It was through this list that > we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really could rescue a > comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, the folks on this > list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, and kept us headed in > the right direction. > Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could test > her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power strokes on > this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the first time in > over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't know, 450 > horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We have a lot of > small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the piston rod, oiler > line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost there. The boiler is > about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by spring. We took a few videos, > less than 15 seconds each so they should not be too much to download. Here > are the links: > http://www.youtube.com/v/YkmoWjqsCwo > http://www.youtube.com/v/6mio1Ub_2q4 > http://www.youtube.com/v/ZXGH5fcjlXQ > To see the project web pages, a little out of date now, go to: > http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com > and click on "steam engine". > Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your restoration > and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and some who took > the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we would have had the > nerve to try this without your inspiration! > Best Regards; > Jim Mackessy > Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 28 16:59:48 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:59:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trip to KA! In-Reply-To: <200611250539.kAP5cT0o064929@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20061124212715.03b68b70@mail.alltel.net> <200611250539.kAP5cT0o064929@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061128195809.04094b08@mail.alltel.net> Yup Orrin, that rascal weighs in at just over 3 tons! Dave >Wow, Dave! I didn't realize how big of a honker that Austral is until I see >it and your truck together. >Thank you for posting the very interesting pictures. >Orrin >Hi All, > Most of you know that I took a drive to KA to pick up an 11 HP >Austral >which I purchased from Rob and Kelley. It was almost 5,500 miles round >trip. The pictures of my trip are finally up at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/Rotigel/Roti_Eng/Austral/index.html It >took me 9 days and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Driving across the USA >and seeing the change of landscape is well worth the time. Bringing home an >Austral made it MUCH more than worthwhile! > Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 28 17:04:04 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:04:04 EST Subject: [SEL] Le Roi mixer Message-ID: I received the below note from Dana requesting information about Le Roi Engines, which I know nothing about except for what is in BRB. Anyone that can help her contact her directly. <> Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 28 17:23:57 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:23:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Set of Cast Iron Wheels trade/buy Message-ID: <014001c71355$0b921760$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I have a nice set (4) of matching 12" diameter cast iron wheels I would like to trade for a set of larger 16" to 18" cast iron wheels. The 12" wheels have grease fittings, a face diameter of 2-1/4" and a axle bore of 1-1/4". http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/wheels.jpg If you are not interested in a trade and have a set of 16" to 18" larger wheels you would sell outright please contact me at paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thanks From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Nov 28 17:36:38 2006 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:36:38 GMT Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! Message-ID: <20061128.173641.19739.1562567@webmail40.lax.untd.com> Jim, great job! Measure the size of packing you need and I will check and see what I have available. It is yours if I have the size you need... Good Luck with the rest of the project! Joe Kelley (in Maine where it is getting to look a more like Christmas!) ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From rowlands1941 at adelphia.net Tue Nov 28 18:28:57 2006 From: rowlands1941 at adelphia.net (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:28:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! References: <001a01c712a6$547ba950$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: <003601c7135e$1f74cb70$3a52bc4c@pengy> Arnie, The Tod Engine Project doesn't need much encouragement. Things are already working on a full head of steam since the arrival of the last of the big parts last September. I accepted delivery of the hemlock 6x6 columns for the pole building. 10 of the 20 concrete building piers are done, the other 10 piers will be poured as weather permits. A professional engineer is assisting in the design of the Tod's foundation, to design something that will support the slow speed no load operation of the engine while not cost me a fortune to put in. To that end I am fabricating some pedestals that will support the castings and be embedded in the concrete. I am fortunate to be working at a start up machine shop that has equipment large enough to work on Tod sized parts. I can use whatever machines I need but in most cases have to set the machines up first. For example I will be turning/polishing the Tod's piston rods next spring but before I can do that I had to set up and wire in our 40" Skoda lathe. (our LP rod is 11" dia. x 18' long). So setting up machines and making preparations have been taking a good deal of time as well. In my free time I've been cleaning Tod grease off of literally buckets of bolts of all shapes and sizes. These bolts now go back into buckets with rust preventative applied and will be ready to go when we start putting parts back together next year. On Saturdays I have a volunteer come in to help sort through 10,000 engineering drawings from the mill the Tod came from. That project will last all winter. And on Sundays I am at home doing various DIY projects at our new place. To get back to the topic of this thread I am very excited that Jim has the Rice and Sargent running, and can't wait to get back up there to see the engine operate. I am sure Jim can't wait for me to get back up there as well since he is storing half of the Ames horizontal uniflow which is coming to Youngstown. Rick Rowlands ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! > Hi Jim, > > I can remember those heady days when you first announced this project. > WELL DONE!!!!! As I said then, I'll say again now, be sure to invite us > all to the first steam up. We can bring our own champaign. 8-)) > > Ya know getting her turning on compressed air might just serve as > "encouragement" for the Tod Engine project too. What goes around comes > around as they say. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, James Mackessy wrote: > >> Some of you will remember posts dating back into the late '90's of a >> corliss steam engine rescue from the old L.C. Smith Typewriter plant in >> Syracuse, New York, when that building was demolished. It was through >> this list that we learned of the Tod engine, and learned that we really >> could rescue a comparatively small engine. Many times when we hit a snag, >> the folks on this list gave suggestions, explanations and encouragement, >> and kept us headed in the right direction. >> Well, after 8 years of work, we finally got to a point where we could >> test her on compressed air. We only have enough air for about 3 power >> strokes on this 18 x 36" cylinder, but to see her under power for the >> first time in over 56 years was, well, ....AWESOME! For those who don't >> know, 450 horsepower @ 150 RPM on 145 PSI steam, 7 ton 11' flywheel. We >> have a lot of small details to attend to, such as a leaky packing on the >> piston rod, oiler line piping, indicator pipes, etc., but we're almost >> there. The boiler is about 85% complete, and we hope to be done by >> spring. We took a few videos, less than 15 seconds each so they should >> not be too much to download. Here are the links: > >> Thanks to all of you who helped, some indirectly by sharing your >> restoration and recovery knowledge in discussing other projects here, and >> some who took the time to answer our many questions. I don't think we >> would have had the nerve to try this without your inspiration! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 28 18:40:50 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:40:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans References: <410-220061122835250671@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00b901c7135f$cd5ec730$54ea4c0c@D48VHZ61> I think I saw an ad in this months GEM for these. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans > After giving up on my search to find these plans I decided to give it one > last try tonight and WALA!! I found them. For all those who wish a copy, > please email me (tchristoff at earthlink.net) your snail mail address and I > will send a copy to you. Keep in mind that these are 3rd generation > copies > and will take a bit of work to read, they are readable but not the best, > but then again you are not having to pay for them either. There is also > some hand drawn diagrams with these that was done by the person I got > these > from, he made them as he was building his and it works great. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 28 18:46:31 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:46:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer Message-ID: <00c201c71360$93d5d0c0$54ea4c0c@D48VHZ61> I need to reseal a carb float and plan to use tank sealer. The float has not seen gas in 50 years so I know it is dry. Do I need to remove the old sealer from the float or will the new sealer adhere to it instead of attack it? I guess I could try a sample spot first. Also how many coats should I apply? John Hall From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 28 20:56:46 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:56:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans In-Reply-To: <00b901c7135f$cd5ec730$54ea4c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <410-220061122835250671@earthlink.net> <00b901c7135f$cd5ec730$54ea4c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <1164776206.456d130ec6c36@webmail.city-net.com> Hi John, Yeah, I think that a $40 DVD. Someone had mentioned that back when I started this thread. That's a bit pricy for a whim. See ya, Arnie Quoting John Hall : > I think I saw an ad in this months GEM for these. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 28 22:53:10 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:53:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs Message-ID: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off when I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look through them. Hope you like 'em as much. http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory Rob From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Nov 29 00:07:37 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:07:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs Message-ID: <410-22006113298737765@earthlink.net> Wow, never seen one in person but would sure like to. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Rob Skinner > To: Stationary-Engine ATIS ; > Date: 11/29/2006 1:10:23 AM > Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs > > The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off > when I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look > through them. Hope you like 'em as much. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory > > Rob > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.18/554 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Nov 28 23:57:05 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:57:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley R Type - update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20061129094123.00ad5c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, My 1928 Wolseley 6 hp type "R" went on it's first outing to Neville Botha's open day on Saturday. Some of you may remember that this is the engine that I got without flywheels and fitted a set of Lister flywheels to. It is not painted yet and I just mounted it on a temporary base and water tank (fire extinguisher bottle) - it ran sweetly all day. Everyone loved it. Remember that these are very rare in South Africa - only 2 on record and this is the first restored one we know of. I do not have any pics of it at the show yet but have updated it's webpage if anyone cares to have a look: There is also an article on making the reproduction silencer/muffler here: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Nov 29 01:46:05 2006 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:46:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <001301c7139b$32412fe0$b0f11fd3@morris> Thanks for sharing Rob, great to see old original pictures Kerry Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ skype ID: ozengine > http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory > > Rob From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Nov 29 02:00:05 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 05:00:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <456D5A25.4020707@wightman.ca> Rob Skinner wrote: > The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off > when I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look > through them. Hope you like 'em as much. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Nov 29 03:24:45 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:24:45 EST Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs Message-ID: In a message dated 11/28/2006 11:11:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: Hope you like 'em as much. Rob, Thanks for the pictures. The drawing of the Samson pumping outfit brings back memories of the last open bottom water well my dad drilled on the ranch in Hanford, California. I helped drill the well and dig the pit at the well site for the pump as the water level too low for the centrifugal pump. The well had to be abandoned as it did not produce enough water for irrigation. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Nov 29 04:26:13 2006 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:26:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061129094123.00ad5c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <00c101c713b1$980b6050$b0f11fd3@morris> G'day all > > The area around Lithgow where I live has seen bushfires for 3 weeks now, > firefighters stretched to the limit (including son in law) but helped by > numerous helicopters, thank goodness we have moved on from men with wet > bags > trying to put out a 50 ft wall of exploding gum trees, > This afternoon a new fire started on the hills around Lithgow and one of > the > Skycranes that we hire from the USA every year was called in to help > protect > properties. > I was lucky to get some pictures late afternoon of the choppers taking on > water. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Temporary10.html > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow N.S.W OZ > > WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ > > skype ID: ozengine From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Nov 29 05:27:51 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:27:51 -0000 Subject: [SEL] I have been playing with engines for the first time in months Message-ID: <05d401c713ba$2c316d30$8335c53e@doc> Hi list Some pics of an old new toy here: http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/PetesProcessor.jpg http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-1.jpg http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-2.jpg http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-3.jpg The phone pics of the engine aren't too sharp, sorry :-( For the first time in months I have managed to do something hobby-related :-) The alternator in the engine photos was made in 1954, so it is two years older than I am. It's a Brush 6KW machine generating 230V at 50Hz. The Lister CS 12/2 was made in 1951. It is a vertical twin with opposed crank throws, generating 12 HP at 650rpm. I can generate at 0.0666 GBP a kilowatt-hour (13 cents US) on biodiesel, making it cheaper than the utility company, who are charging me about 20 cents. All the best Pete -- Peter Scales From edurand at iglou.com Wed Nov 29 07:16:16 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:16:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: <00c201c71360$93d5d0c0$54ea4c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: John: Just lightly brush off the loose sealer which was most likely shellac. Coat it twice by dipping if you can. Use the good stuff (Lee Pedersen, et al) that's alky proof. Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Hall > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 08:47 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer > > > I need to reseal a carb float and plan to use > tank sealer. The float has not > seen gas in 50 years so I know it is dry. Do I > need to remove the old sealer > from the float or will the new sealer adhere to > it instead of attack it? I > guess I could try a sample spot first. > > Also how many coats should I apply? > > John Hall From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Nov 29 06:48:50 2006 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:48:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061129094123.00ad5c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <00c101c713b1$980b6050$b0f11fd3@morris> Message-ID: <000c01c713c5$86931660$4e716c3a@Edd> Great pics Kerry!!!!!.I heard today that there are 14 separate fires in the Mudgee area.The air is thick with smoke here and I can barley see the flour mill 1/4 of a K away.OH for some rain! EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:26 PM Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires > G'day all >> >> The area around Lithgow where I live has seen bushfires for 3 weeks now, >> firefighters stretched to the limit (including son in law) but helped by >> numerous helicopters, thank goodness we have moved on from men with wet >> bags >> trying to put out a 50 ft wall of exploding gum trees, >> This afternoon a new fire started on the hills around Lithgow and one of >> the >> Skycranes that we hire from the USA every year was called in to help >> protect >> properties. >> I was lucky to get some pictures late afternoon of the choppers taking on >> water. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Temporary10.html >> >> Kerry Morris >> Lithgow N.S.W OZ >> >> WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ >> >> skype ID: ozengine > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Nov 29 10:26:04 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:26:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] I have been playing with engines for the first time in months In-Reply-To: <05d401c713ba$2c316d30$8335c53e@doc> References: <05d401c713ba$2c316d30$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <456DD0BC.6010105@imc-group.com> Pete, Neat photos of your project. They caught my attention as I have a 6.5kw alternator I have aspirations of hooking to an old engine someday. You are getting hosed on electricity! Here in NC we are paying 8 cents/kw residential and 4 cents/kw for industrial. BTW, what's with the URL? :-) Pete Sex Tension??? or Pete's Extension Either way it's a good laugh :-) Curt Peter Scales wrote: >Hi list > >Some pics of an old new toy here: > >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/PetesProcessor.jpg >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-1.jpg >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-2.jpg >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-3.jpg > >The phone pics of the engine aren't too sharp, sorry :-( > >For the first time in months I have managed to do something hobby-related >:-) The alternator in the engine photos was made in 1954, so it is two >years older than I am. It's a Brush 6KW machine generating 230V at 50Hz. >The Lister CS 12/2 was made in 1951. It is a vertical twin with opposed >crank throws, generating 12 HP at 650rpm. I can generate at 0.0666 GBP a >kilowatt-hour (13 cents US) on biodiesel, making it cheaper than the >utility company, who are charging me about 20 cents. > >All the best > > Pete > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Nov 29 10:53:25 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:53:25 EST Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs Message-ID: Rob, Wonderful pictures! Thanks for sharing. Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO In a message dated 11/29/2006 1:14:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off when I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look through them. Hope you like 'em as much. http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory Rob From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Nov 29 10:56:03 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:56:03 -0000 Subject: [SEL] I have been playing with engines for the first time inmonths In-Reply-To: <456DD0BC.6010105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <065001c713e8$054c5ee0$8335c53e@doc> Hi Curt Commercial electricity here is 0.13 GBP a unit (kilowatt-hour) or nearly 26 cents US.... The domain name? It depends how I'm feeling at the time :-) All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: 29 November 2006 18:26 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] I have been playing with engines for the > first time inmonths > > Pete, > Neat photos of your project. They caught my attention as I > have a 6.5kw > alternator I have aspirations of hooking to an old engine someday. > You are getting hosed on electricity! Here in NC we are paying 8 > cents/kw residential and 4 cents/kw for industrial. > > BTW, what's with the URL? :-) > Pete Sex Tension??? or > Pete's Extension > > Either way it's a good laugh :-) > Curt > > Peter Scales wrote: > > >Hi list > > > >Some pics of an old new toy here: > > > >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/PetesProcessor.jpg > >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-1.jpg > >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-2.jpg > >http://www.petesextension.com/biodiesel/12-2-3.jpg > > > >The phone pics of the engine aren't too sharp, sorry :-( > > > >For the first time in months I have managed to do something > hobby-related > >:-) The alternator in the engine photos was made in 1954, > so it is two > >years older than I am. It's a Brush 6KW machine generating > 230V at 50Hz. > >The Lister CS 12/2 was made in 1951. It is a vertical twin > with opposed > >crank throws, generating 12 HP at 650rpm. I can generate at > 0.0666 GBP a > >kilowatt-hour (13 cents US) on biodiesel, making it cheaper than the > >utility company, who are charging me about 20 cents. > > > >All the best > > > > Pete > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Nov 29 12:48:58 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:48:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061129094123.00ad5c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <00c101c713b1$980b6050$b0f11fd3@morris> Message-ID: <003301c713f7$cac53480$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Great photos Kerry. Did you catch the name of the Skycrane. Can't quite make it out on the photo. We have one stationed here in Canberra and they really earn their keep with our fires a couple of years ago. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:26 PM Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires > G'day all > > > > The area around Lithgow where I live has seen bushfires for 3 weeks now, > > firefighters stretched to the limit (including son in law) but helped by > > numerous helicopters, thank goodness we have moved on from men with wet > > bags > > trying to put out a 50 ft wall of exploding gum trees, > > This afternoon a new fire started on the hills around Lithgow and one of > > the > > Skycranes that we hire from the USA every year was called in to help > > protect > > properties. > > I was lucky to get some pictures late afternoon of the choppers taking on > > water. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Temporary10.html > > > > Kerry Morris > > Lithgow N.S.W OZ > > > > WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ > > > > skype ID: ozengine > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 29 12:46:28 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:46:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Wow, stunning pics!! This one raises a question in my mind... http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory/09.jpg http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory/23.jpg How many different manufacturers made "four-poster" open crank engines? Sampson is obviously one. Was there a Frisco that was built that way? The British Whitehead is another... http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle06p2.htm Any others that are known? See ya, Arnie On Tue, 28 Nov 2006, Rob Skinner wrote: > The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off > when I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look > through them. Hope you like 'em as much. > http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 29 13:38:52 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:38:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well duh... How did you expect the well to produce a lot of water when it's got an open bottom? Damn water just runs right out again. See ya, Arnie PS - Let me save you some pain. You'll have a similar problem with an open bottom bucket. 8-)) On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > The drawing of the Samson pumping outfit brings back memories of the last > open bottom water well my dad drilled on the ranch in Hanford, California. I > helped drill the well and dig the pit at the well site for the pump as the > water level too low for the centrifugal pump. The well had to be abandoned as > it did not produce enough water for irrigation. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, Ca From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Wed Nov 29 15:00:22 2006 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:00:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! References: <20061128.173641.19739.1562567@webmail40.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <000401c7140a$270b29e0$0c4d474a@ownerfm3tybt04> Hi Joe; Thanks for your generous offer. We have four valve stems to pack, 1-1/2" diameter each, it's 5/8" between the walls of the gland and the stem, so I guess 5/8" square is the way to go. What have you? Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus Canal Society Steam Engine Project ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Rice & Sargent Lives! > Jim, great job! Measure the size of packing you need and I will check > and see what I have available. It is yours if I have the size you > need... Good Luck with the rest of the project! Joe Kelley (in Maine > where it is getting to look a more like Christmas!) > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 29 16:38:17 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:38:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061129193715.04181620@mail.alltel.net> At 01:53 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote: > >Rob, >Wonderful pictures! Thanks for sharing. >Ron Carroll LIBERALS "share." People of good character "show you!" Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 29 16:50:32 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:50:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <5A69A030-44C5-4C00-A7A1-C0E2AB345354@rustyiron.com> On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > How many different manufacturers made "four-poster" > open crank engines? Sampson is obviously one. > Was there a Frisco that was built that way? > The British Whitehead is another... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle06p2.htm > > Any others that are known? Actually, mate, "Frisco Standard" is just a slang name for "Standard" engine made in San Francisco. The geographic prefix is to differentiate the make from the myriad of other "Standard" engines. Besides Standard and Samson, other California "four post" engines that immediately come to mind are Union, Gorham, and National. There are probably more that will come to mind about 2 a.m. Anybody else? Rob Rob Skinner 1721 Brookdale Avenue ? La Habra, CA 90631 ? 562.694.2301 rskinner at rustyiron.com ? http://www.rustyiron.com From bst41474 at bigpond.net.au Wed Nov 29 17:14:46 2006 From: bst41474 at bigpond.net.au (Barry & Tanya Stait) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:14:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061129094123.00ad5c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za><00c101c713b1$980b6050$b0f11fd3@morris> <003301c713f7$cac53480$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <002c01c7141c$ecb96000$0100000a@Bear> Hi all, I have not long got up and going after spending from 10p.m. on Tuesday night to 7.30p.m. Wednesday on the Green Gully fire just outside Mudgee. Over 2000ha burn so far on this fire. Started from a lighting strike. Luckily we had out of area crews here to help with property protection. They had come to help with the Bylong Complex fire, but at the time it was quite. But that changed when the Bylong Complex Fire also broke containment lines after a south easily change came thru late Tuesday afternoon. There is also a large fire on top of Mt Frome just outside Mudgee witch is burning out of control as fire fighter can't get to it. At one stage yesterday there was 18 confirmed fire in the Mid Western Shire, most from a storm that passed through the area on Tuesday. As Senior Deputy Captain of Mudgee HQ, the next few day could be very busy for me and all our other members. What we need is a lot of rain, witch doesn't look like coming for a long time let ( March/ April next year.). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Local fires > Great photos Kerry. Did you catch the name of the Skycrane. Can't quite > make it out on the photo. We have one stationed here in Canberra and they > really earn their keep with our fires a couple of years ago. > > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:26 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires > > >> G'day all >> > >> > The area around Lithgow where I live has seen bushfires for 3 weeks >> > now, >> > firefighters stretched to the limit (including son in law) but helped >> > by >> > numerous helicopters, thank goodness we have moved on from men with wet >> > bags >> > trying to put out a 50 ft wall of exploding gum trees, >> > This afternoon a new fire started on the hills around Lithgow and one >> > of >> > the >> > Skycranes that we hire from the USA every year was called in to help >> > protect >> > properties. >> > I was lucky to get some pictures late afternoon of the choppers taking > on >> > water. >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Temporary10.html >> > >> > Kerry Morris >> > Lithgow N.S.W OZ >> > >> > WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ >> > >> > skype ID: ozengine >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.0.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/556 - Release Date: > 28/11/2006 > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Nov 29 18:12:33 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:12:33 EST Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs Message-ID: In a message dated 11/29/2006 6:47:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: > >Rob, >Wonderful pictures! Thanks for sharing. >Ron Carroll LIBERALS "share." People of good character "show you!" Dave Sure, and how then do I explain that I now have this picture: Shucks, I thought Rob was sharing. Ron From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Nov 29 18:38:16 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:38:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer References: Message-ID: <00ef01c71428$97becde0$53d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Elden, I put on the first coat tonight. I'll redip tomorrow night and then let it cure a couple days. I got my sealer from a radiator repair shop. I've used it before on some tanks with good results. Don't know how well it stacks up against some advertised in GEM. The float had a good coat of shellac but it had a few bad cracks. Nothing appeared to be flaking off nor did the tank sealer appear to attack it. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer > John: > > Just lightly brush off the loose sealer which was most likely shellac. > > Coat it twice by dipping if you can. Use the good stuff (Lee Pedersen, et > al) that's alky proof. > > Take care - Elden From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Nov 29 19:29:45 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:29:45 EST Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs Message-ID: In a message dated 11/29/2006 2:44:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: Well duh... How did you expect the well to produce a lot of water when it's got an open bottom? Damn water just runs right out again. Arnie, An open bottom well is one where the well casing is landed on a clay strata and then a hole (about half of the diameter of the casing) is bored through the clay. Usually, there is water bearing sand located under the clay strata. Water (from the water bearing sand) enters the well through the hole in clay. Pumping the well causes a cavity under the clay strata to develop and is used to collect water under ground for the well. This type of well is drilled as the casing is forced into the ground and is used primarily for shallow wells. The other type of water well is a gravel packed well casing. A forced water rotary drill is used to bore the well. The diameter of well is about 4"- 6" larger than the diameter of the casing. The depth of the drilled well has to be about a 1/3 longer than the length of the casing. This is necessary because the sediment in the drilling water has to settle. A section (at the bottom) of the casing is perforated and the end of the casing is sealed. After the well is drilled, the casing is installed with the perforated section placed in a water bearing sand strata. The casing is held in place with gravel placed between the casing and the drilled hole. Water enters the well casing through the perforations in the casing. Initial pumping of the well causes a cavity to be developed around the perforations. This cavity stores water for the well. Francis From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Nov 29 20:47:47 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:47:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <456E6273.40505@scrtc.com> Thanks for the great site Rob. Do you know of any of the vertical Samson's? I really like the looks of it. I've had 4 or 5 of the horizontals and they're OK. But, that vertical is NEAT! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off > when I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look > through them. Hope you like 'em as much. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory > > Rob > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Nov 30 06:00:07 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:00:07 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <00cd01c71487$d8af8330$0200a8c0@fbi> Hi Arnie Yes, there is another one, but it's in the pre-production state of development at the moment! http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/blackhead/blackhead.htm It's currently known as the Blackhead, but it also answers to The Bodmin Engine. Dolly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" > How many different manufacturers made "four-poster" open crank engines? > Sampson is obviously one. Was there a Frisco that was built that way? > The British Whitehead is another... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle06p2.htm > > Any others that are known? From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Nov 30 06:41:22 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:41:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <456E6273.40505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:47:47 -0500 > >Thanks for the great site Rob. Do you know of any of the vertical >Samson's? I really like the looks of it. I've had 4 or 5 of the >horizontals and they're OK. But, that vertical is NEAT! > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > >>The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off when >>I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look through >>them. Hope you like 'em as much. >> >>http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version.?Join now. http://ideas.live.com From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Nov 30 06:44:15 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:44:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <456E6273.40505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Thanks so much for the great pics. At Portland this year there was a Samson horizontal of approx 10 hp with curved spoke flywheels. I didn't see any like this in your photos, so does anyone have any info on the curves spoke ones? Steve >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:47:47 -0500 > >Thanks for the great site Rob. Do you know of any of the vertical >Samson's? I really like the looks of it. I've had 4 or 5 of the >horizontals and they're OK. But, that vertical is NEAT! > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > >>The subject line pretty much says it all. They knocked my socks off when >>I saw them for the first time... and every other time I look through >>them. Hope you like 'em as much. >> >>http://engines.rustyiron.com/SamsonFactory >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ View Athlete?s Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 30 08:04:19 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:04:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Francis, great explanations. See ya, Arnie On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/29/2006 2:44:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > > Well duh... How did you expect the well to produce a lot of water > > when it's got an open bottom? Damn water just runs right out again. > > An open bottom well is one where the well casing is landed on a clay strata > and then a hole (about half of the diameter of the casing) is bored through > the clay. > The other type of water well is a gravel packed well casing. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 30 08:07:10 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:07:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <5A69A030-44C5-4C00-A7A1-C0E2AB345354@rustyiron.com> References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> <5A69A030-44C5-4C00-A7A1-C0E2AB345354@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Nice answer that raises another question. I wonder why the "four poster" engine design was so popular in Kalifornia and so rare elsewhere? See ya, Arnie On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > How many different manufacturers made "four-poster" > > open crank engines? Sampson is obviously one. > > Was there a Frisco that was built that way? > > The British Whitehead is another... > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle06p2.htm > > > > Any others that are known? > > Actually, mate, "Frisco Standard" is just a slang name for "Standard" > engine made in San Francisco. The geographic prefix is to > differentiate the make from the myriad of other "Standard" engines. > > Besides Standard and Samson, other California "four post" engines > that immediately come to mind are Union, Gorham, and National. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 30 09:15:55 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:15:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> <5A69A030-44C5-4C00-A7A1-C0E2AB345354@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4BCDA23A-9F24-4C3E-8911-946D92E4E003@rustyiron.com> On Nov 30, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Nice answer that raises another question. I wonder why the "four > poster" > engine design was so popular in Kalifornia and so rare elsewhere? Hi Arnie, By stating the rarity of this design characteristic outside the Golden State, are implying that these engines are commonplace here? Damn, you're on to us! We're just buried in these engines, as well as slide valves and sideshafts. Please don't tell anyone. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 30 08:50:02 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:50:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Samson Iron Works - Stunning Original Photographs In-Reply-To: <4BCDA23A-9F24-4C3E-8911-946D92E4E003@rustyiron.com> References: <812CB3CB-2AB9-4894-BCF0-C0C7D35A233E@rustyiron.com> <5A69A030-44C5-4C00-A7A1-C0E2AB345354@rustyiron.com> <4BCDA23A-9F24-4C3E-8911-946D92E4E003@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: DAMN Kalifornia kollectors anyway!! No damn wonder the rest of us are flooded in Hercs & John Deers and lack slide valves and sideshafts. I was thinking more along the lines of six makes of "four-poster" engine identified so far. Five made in KA, one in England. Pretty much a Kalifornia Koncept to my way of thinking. As this thread developed, I was wondering if geographical isolation played a part? The KA engine developers didn't see much of what was going on elsewhere, but did see the guy on the next block who was building a four-poster, so he copied that idea. Likewise, the KA engines didn't go east of the Rockies in any significant numbers and so didn't influence other engine designers. Zat make sense? See ya, Arnie On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Nov 30, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > Nice answer that raises another question. I wonder why the "four > > poster" engine design was so popular in Kalifornia and so rare > > elsewhere? > > By stating the rarity of this design characteristic outside the > Golden State, are implying that these engines are commonplace here? > Damn, you're on to us! We're just buried in these engines, as well > as slide valves and sideshafts. From edurand at iglou.com Thu Nov 30 11:55:47 2006 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:55:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: <00ef01c71428$97becde0$53d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: John: One coat will probably do it but the second coat is good insurance. After it thoroughly dries, you might want to pour some of our fine "modern" gasoline in a can and float the float in it for a few days to see how the sealer works. I got some tank sealer from an auto parts store a few years ago that said "Alcohol proof" and soaked the float in the carb of my American LaFrance. It looked great. I put the whole thing together and went for a test drive. About 5 miles out, it got real sickly and finally stopped. I unscrewed the main jet and it was covered with sealer that had partially dissolved in the gasoline. I finally got home after removing the needle about a half dozen more times to wipe off the goo. That's it for me on the cheap stuff! Take care - Elden edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Hall > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 08:38 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer > > > Elden, > I put on the first coat tonight. I'll redip > tomorrow night and then let it > cure a couple days. I got my sealer from a > radiator repair shop. I've used > it before on some tanks with good results. Don't > know how well it stacks up > against some advertised in GEM. > > The float had a good coat of shellac but it had a > few bad cracks. Nothing > appeared to be flaking off nor did the tank > sealer appear to attack it. > > John From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Nov 30 16:20:02 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:20:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 4 posters Message-ID: <20061201002016.2A332313C30@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Here's a couple more four posters from Ca.. Hicks and Peters Machine Co.. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan Ps. Tommy ,I'll make sure that you hear first about the second one that I see for sale.. Jim O'Hagan From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 30 16:58:10 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:58:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 4 posters In-Reply-To: <20061201002016.2A332313C30@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> References: <20061201002016.2A332313C30@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <15E0ABBA-ABE0-4FB4-A9FE-B2ACB22426E0@rustyiron.com> On Nov 30, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Here's a couple more four posters from Ca.. Hicks and Peters > Machine Co.. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan Ps. Tommy ,I'll make sure that you > hear first about the second one that I see for sale.. Hi Jimmy, I've never seen a Peters. Do you have any pictures of one? Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 30 17:57:09 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:57:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 4 posters In-Reply-To: <15E0ABBA-ABE0-4FB4-A9FE-B2ACB22426E0@rustyiron.com> References: <20061201002016.2A332313C30@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <15E0ABBA-ABE0-4FB4-A9FE-B2ACB22426E0@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20061130205516.043d55b0@mail.alltel.net> >Hi Jimmy, >I've never seen a Peters. Do you have any pictures of one? >Rob Hi Rob, You have never seen a Peter? My doG man, look down, LOOK DOWN! dave From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Nov 30 18:40:40 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:40:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer References: Message-ID: <002001c714f2$17cd9a60$89ee4c0c@D48VHZ61> Gave it a second dunk tonight. If it is the same as the last I got from the radiator shop it is probably goood stuff. They charge enough--$25 for a quart jar--you supply the jar!! A fire truck? Often thought that would be fun to have for a Sunday drive. Never have completely gotten over the one I passed up in the junkyard 15 years ago for $400. It was old enough to be chain driven. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer > John: > > One coat will probably do it but the second coat is good insurance. > > After it thoroughly dries, you might want to pour some of our fine > "modern" gasoline in a can and float the float in it for a few days to see > how the sealer works. > > I got some tank sealer from an auto parts store a few years ago that said > "Alcohol proof" and soaked the float in the carb of my American LaFrance. > It looked great. > > I put the whole thing together and went for a test drive. About 5 miles > out, it got real sickly and finally stopped. I unscrewed the main jet and > it was covered with sealer that had partially dissolved in the gasoline. > I finally got home after removing the needle about a half dozen more times > to wipe off the goo. That's it for me on the cheap stuff! > > Take care - Elden > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of John Hall >> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 08:38 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] floats and gas tank sealer >> >> >> Elden, >> I put on the first coat tonight. I'll redip >> tomorrow night and then let it >> cure a couple days. I got my sealer from a >> radiator repair shop. I've used >> it before on some tanks with good results. Don't >> know how well it stacks up >> against some advertised in GEM. >> >> The float had a good coat of shellac but it had a >> few bad cracks. Nothing >> appeared to be flaking off nor did the tank >> sealer appear to attack it. >> >> John > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 30 19:12:36 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:12:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on Stover YB Engine Message-ID: <008501c714f6$8d664a70$240110ac@FAMILY> A friend of mine has a Stover YB 4 HP engine and he has asked me if the gas tanks on the Stover YB engines are tin gas tanks. I don't know the answer so if someone does please let me know and I will pass on the information to him. I would have thought they would have been a cast iron gas tank in the sub-base like my Model C. Thanks, Paul From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Thu Nov 30 20:29:29 2006 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:29:29 EST Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires Message-ID: I was at Rylstone for Monday night shift at the Kelgoola Gavins creek sector of the Wollemi complex West Zone Operations. This is one big fire at 70000 hectares Peter Woodmore. NSW Australia From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 30 21:16:16 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 00:16:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Latest eBay Ripoff Message-ID: <1164950176.456fbaa07774f@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya folks, OK, check these two eBay auctions out... http://cgi.ebay.com Items 290057116087 and 290057116041 What's the ripoff you ask? Wanna save some money and pick the item up instead of shipping? No problem. Just add a $2.00 per item "pick up fee." Bullshit! See ya, Arnie From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Nov 30 21:47:38 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:47:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Local fires References: Message-ID: <008501c7150c$37b46ab0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> When that area was forestry, there were good roads and fire trails all through it. The Parks & wildlife took it over and let it all grow over. Wilderness area and all that stuff! Now ONE fire and its a disaster area. I dont think much wildlife survived. I used to trailride that area years ago, so I know what I am talking about. (The ride from here to Rylston & Kandos was a 4 times a year thing). When the Parks mob took over they shut all the trails to everyone. So much for 'Management' ! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Local fires >I was at Rylstone for Monday night shift at the Kelgoola Gavins creek >sector > of the Wollemi complex West Zone Operations. This is one big fire at 70000 > hectares > > Peter Woodmore. > NSW Australia > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >