From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 1 06:02:03 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 07:02:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2 hp Galloway Message-ID: Howdy all; Looking for any information, Bore/Stroke, Pictures, etc., for a 2hp Galloway. I have a lead on a burnt one, but no clue as to what they look like. TIA, RickinMt. From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon May 1 07:01:11 2006 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:01:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2 hp Galloway References: Message-ID: <00ae01c66d27$b446f8a0$6401a8c0@office> How about a 2 1/2? It's got a 4 1/2" bore & 7" stroke. These were the earlier ones that were later rerated as 3hp. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > Looking for any information, Bore/Stroke, Pictures, etc., for a 2hp > Galloway. I have a lead on a burnt one, but no clue as to what they look > like. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 1 07:25:29 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:25:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2 hp Galloway References: <00ae01c66d27$b446f8a0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: No John..this is a 2hp. (course a 2.5 would be very welcome, also), but you have one listed on your registry..1st page, towards the top. Thanks much pard Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2 hp Galloway > How about a 2 1/2? It's got a 4 1/2" bore & 7" stroke. These were the > earlier ones that were later rerated as 3hp. > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > > Looking for any information, Bore/Stroke, Pictures, etc., for a 2hp > > Galloway. I have a lead on a burnt one, but no clue as to what they > > look > > like. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon May 1 07:42:23 2006 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:42:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2 hp Galloway References: <00ae01c66d27$b446f8a0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <00cd01c66d2d$75aa9fb0$6401a8c0@office> Yep, but I only had the data on the 2 1/2. I'll keep digging. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > No John..this is a 2hp. (course a 2.5 would be very welcome, also), but > you have one listed on your registry..1st page, towards the top. From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 1 09:57:46 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:57:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. Message-ID: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Folks this was a banner weekend! Accomplished a significant milestone in the restoration of the Alamo engine by successfully pouring both the lower and upper mains on this engine. I had done lowers before, but was apprehensive about the uppers. As it turned out they were easier than the lowers. Missy and I picture documented this as best we could and I've put it on the website. Maybe it will be useful to someone when pouring theirs. Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnails.html Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon May 1 10:39:40 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 17:39:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. In-Reply-To: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: What a great documentary!! Thank you both for taking the time to photograph and share this. Obviously alot of thought went into the setup. Looks like the bearings came out perfect. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: Curt > >Folks this was a banner weekend! Accomplished a significant milestone in >the restoration of the Alamo engine by successfully pouring both the lower >and upper mains on this engine. I had done lowers before, but was >apprehensive about the uppers. As it turned out they were easier than the >lowers. Missy and I picture documented this as best we could and I've put >it on the website. Maybe it will be useful to someone when pouring theirs. >Here is the link: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnails.html > >Hope you enjoy. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 1 11:22:41 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. In-Reply-To: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, VERY impressive piece of work!! I really like the fixture design for positioning the dummy shaft. I have a couple of questions. You're pre-heating to 550 deg.F and you're using the upper cap with the new bearing in place as a part of the fixturing. What temperature does your babbit melt at? I would have thought it melted around 500 deg.F (obviously not). I didn't see the classic X-groove to help distribute grease across the bearing surface. You mention a 45-deg. bevel to "build the pressure wedge for the lubricant film." I think of hydrodynamic oil pressure effects as a characteristic of much higher rotation speeds; like >1000 RPM, not ~100 RPM. Somewhere on the net a SEL FAQ is maintained. I sure hope that SOMEONE is capturing well documented work like this for the FAQ. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 1 May 2006, Curt wrote: > Folks this was a banner weekend! Accomplished a significant milestone in > the restoration of the Alamo engine by successfully pouring both the > lower and upper mains on this engine. I had done lowers before, but was > apprehensive about the uppers. As it turned out they were easier than > the lowers. Missy and I picture documented this as best we could and > I've put it on the website. Maybe it will be useful to someone when > pouring theirs. > Here is the link: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnails.html From oiseming at moscow.com Mon May 1 12:15:28 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:15:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. In-Reply-To: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200605011915.k41JFgNv008205@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:58 AM To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org); OFES Subject: Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnai ls.html Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC ~~~~~~~~~ Thank you for an outstanding how-to presentation, Curt. I learned all sorts of things from the way you did the job. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 1 13:16:23 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 16:16:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. In-Reply-To: References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44566C97.2070207@imc-group.com> Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > >VERY impressive piece of work!! I really like the fixture design for >positioning the dummy shaft. I have a couple of questions. > >You're pre-heating to 550 deg.F and you're using the upper cap with the >new bearing in place as a part of the fixturing. What temperature does >your babbit melt at? I would have thought it melted around 500 deg.F >(obviously not). > > Arnie, The uppers were poured, allowed to cool, and then removed. They were not used to do any aligning for the lowers. The fixture held the dummy shaft in suspension in the correct location for pouring both the uppers and lowers in separate pours. >I didn't see the classic X-groove to help distribute grease across the >bearing surface. > > I didn't cut the grooves yet (if I decide to use grease I will) because the flywheels will have to come out again to clean the built in fuel tank in the base. I am a proponent of oil as this constantly washes abrasive material out of bearings and I will likely install nice brass drip oilers on the engine. The 45? chamfers on the leading side (hard to see in the next to the last picture) are sufficient to distribute oil across the face of the bearing. There will simply be a straight groove across the top of the bearing in the cap that is about a 1/8 wide x a 1/8 deep to ditribute oil across the width of the bearing. This will stop about 1/2" from the ends. >You mention a 45-deg. bevel to "build the pressure wedge for the >lubricant film." I think of hydrodynamic oil pressure effects as a >characteristic of much higher rotation speeds; like >1000 RPM, >not ~100 RPM. > > Hydrodynamic lubrication is a function of velocity and viscosity. But it will occur at almost any speed with a viscous enough lubricant. Interesting enough I put the crankshaft and flywheels in dry. Before rolling I filled the pressure wedge groove with 40wt. oil. A half turn of the shaft and the shaft was whetted. As the wheels are rotated you can see the classic pressure wedge of oil rolling. But the key is constant oil and high viscosity oil. Most of our forging machines here at work are 1 stroke a second (60 rpm). This pressure wedge via the 45 ? chamfer is the sole means of lubricating the bearings. Years ago I switched the lubricant from the factory suggested 220 to 320. This has greatly reduced wear to bearings. >Somewhere on the net a SEL FAQ is maintained. I sure hope that SOMEONE is >capturing well documented work like this for the FAQ. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Mon, 1 May 2006, Curt wrote: > > > >>Folks this was a banner weekend! Accomplished a significant milestone in >>the restoration of the Alamo engine by successfully pouring both the >>lower and upper mains on this engine. I had done lowers before, but was >>apprehensive about the uppers. As it turned out they were easier than >>the lowers. Missy and I picture documented this as best we could and >>I've put it on the website. Maybe it will be useful to someone when >>pouring theirs. >>Here is the link: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnails.html >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 1 14:08:56 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:08:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul Message-ID: <412.5422ba.3187d2e8@aol.com> I have heard rumors of a Mogul in a barn south of me for a number of years. Every once in a while I would ride in the general area, looking, knocking on doors, etc., all to no avail. I had a never quite made the exact location of it, but close over they years. Three weeks ago, I received a phone call from someone who knew of me and wanted me to tell them how much an engine was worth. During the initial phone call, they did not even know what the engine was, size, etc., just how much was it worth? But, from this I had a vague idea it was the engine I had been hearing/looking for. I asked a lot of questions and we made plans to meet soon and look/evaluate for them. Second and subsequent phone calls led to it being a: 12 hp Mogul, sn HB 612, on original steel wheels, complete, in a barn,etc. We finally visited the engine with 2 brothers, one of them the one who called me. Photos can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Mogul1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Mogul2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Mogul3.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Mogul4.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Mogul5.jpg The story ends up being that this is an old family engine being purchased by their grandfather who used it to run a large planer mill. They had been trying to buy it from one side of the family for years and now the family had finally said it was for sale to them. The family had priced it a $4000 and where this price came from they did not know. What they wanted me to do was tell them about the engine, evaluate it for completeness, broken parts, ease of restoration, etc.,and if it was worth the price. They knew nothing about old engines. After looking over for 2 hours, finding it free, all original and complete except for the screen cooler replaced buy a tank, and the fuel pump which was located in the house taken there to rebuild packing many years ago. I finally asked them how serious they were about buying it and keeping in the family. One of the brothers spoke up and said they were dead serious and wanted it even if they had to pay $4000! I finally told them it was worth $4000, but maybe being family they could negotiate it down. We have left it that I will help them in any way with their project, and they in turn will give me first refusal if they become bored with it. I have not made up my mind if I will help them make this decision by telling them to completely tear it down, and hopefully loose interest as the baskets of parts accumulate very quickly! HA! Or, help them get it started with a few minor fixes. I believe this engine could be started in a day or so, that is how free and complete it. Note the rings hanging on the carb from a previous rebuild. Such is the luck of the engine searchers! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon May 1 15:51:37 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:51:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul Message-ID: <3b0.241eb8d.3187eaf9@aol.com> Hi Tom, Did you point out to the brothers that the old engine's paint has deteriorated, there is rust on many of the parts, and that the old wagon it is sitting on looks pretty sorry, too? There is also the risk that the old wagon might collapse, possibly injuring some small child who might be playing near. Perhaps you should go back and talk with the brothers, explaining you have given it more thought, then raise these concerns, and offer to remove the potential danger for a reasonable price. IF you need help removing it...just call me. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 5/1/2006 4:37:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: They knew nothing about old engines. After looking over for 2 hours, finding it free, all original and complete except for the screen cooler replaced buy a tank, and the fuel pump which was located in the house taken there to rebuild packing many years ago. I finally asked them how serious they were about buying it and keeping in the family. One of the brothers spoke up and said they were dead serious and wanted it even if they had to pay $4000! I finally told them it was worth $4000, but maybe being family they could negotiate it down. -------------------------------1146523897 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 1 17:40:15 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 20:40:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul Message-ID: <3f5.118424f.3188046f@aol.com> In a message dated 5/1/2006 7:14:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: << Did you point out to the brothers that the old engine's paint has deteriorated >> Ron They had already figured that out by themselves. Thanks for the removal help offer. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 1 18:01:02 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 21:01:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul In-Reply-To: <412.5422ba.3187d2e8@aol.com> References: <412.5422ba.3187d2e8@aol.com> Message-ID: <4456AF4E.6040000@scrtc.com> Thats certainly a Keeper! I had much rather find one in the original location, original condition, etc. than all slicked down. I hope they take interest in it and do it justice by getting it in the dry, getting it going and possibly taking it to a show or two for others to see. If not, I hope they give you another call. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I have heard rumors of a Mogul in a barn south of me for a number of years. >Every once in a while I would ride in the general area, looking, knocking on >doors, etc., all to no avail. I had a never quite made the exact location of >it, but close over they years. > >Three weeks ago, I received a phone call from someone who knew of me and >wanted me to tell them how much an engine was worth. During the initial phone >call, they did not even know what the engine was, size, etc., just how much was >it worth? But, from this I had a vague idea it was the engine I had been >hearing/looking for. I asked a lot of questions and we made plans to meet soon and >look/evaluate for them. Second and subsequent phone calls led to it being a: > >12 hp Mogul, sn HB 612, on original steel wheels, complete, in a barn,etc. > > > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon May 1 18:33:18 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:33:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. Message-ID: <20060501.214006.1312.5.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks for sharing the process with the list, Curt. Excellent job of documenting. I'm sure the bearings will be A-1 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ May is Motorcycle Awareness Month. (_o_) "Look twice - Save a life". From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon May 1 18:50:47 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:50:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul References: <3b0.241eb8d.3187eaf9@aol.com> Message-ID: <00ee01c66d8a$d5a4f570$9bd24c0c@D48VHZ61> I'll go one better than offering removal help. You just give me a call and I'll come pick it up and store it at my place. And I'm close enough you could drive down on weekends to work on it. Heck, you can even use my wrenches! John From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Mon May 1 14:36:37 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:36:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <017c01c66d67$540a2d50$bd161941@pengy> How is the piston machining going? Is the big piston going to have enough stock to finish up? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" ; "OFES" Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. > Folks this was a banner weekend! Accomplished a significant milestone in > the restoration of the Alamo engine by successfully pouring both the lower > and upper mains on this engine. I had done lowers before, but was > apprehensive about the uppers. As it turned out they were easier than the > lowers. Missy and I picture documented this as best we could and I've put > it on the website. Maybe it will be useful to someone when pouring theirs. > Here is the link: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 1 14:12:13 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul In-Reply-To: <412.5422ba.3187d2e8@aol.com> References: <412.5422ba.3187d2e8@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, Well, YEE HAW!! Good luck with the family. That engine sure would look good in your shed. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 1 May 2006 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > 12 hp Mogul, sn HB 612, on original steel wheels, complete, in a barn,etc. > > We finally visited the engine with 2 brothers, one of them the one who called > me. Photos can be seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Mogul1.jpg > > We have left it that I will help them in any way with their project, and they > in turn will give me first refusal if they become bored with it. I have not > made up my mind if I will help them make this decision by telling them to > completely tear it down, and hopefully loose interest as the baskets of parts > accumulate very quickly! HA! Or, help them get it started with a few minor > fixes. I believe this engine could be started in a day or so, that is how free and > complete it. Note the rings hanging on the carb from a previous rebuild. > > Such is the luck of the engine searchers! From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue May 2 02:19:27 2006 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:19:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC Message-ID: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> Hi, i have a "engine" related question for you guys, i have just picked up a shed (barn) fresh engine, (as you yanks call them), it is a 1909 built 8 hp famous on original transport 99.9% complete, i am still deciding what to do with the restoration as although it was in a shed it is very rusty it has no paint left and bottom of transport wheel rims & spokes are very thin, also everything is seized although i dont think it would be really stuck. The screen cooler is also rusted out, anyway my questions, 1) does anyone have a plan for the seat & step as not much is left, 2) the handbrake lever assy is missing, anyone have some good pics of one? 3) on the off side? (opposite side to ignitor) there is a bracket/ lever? assembly bolted to the front mounting bolts the lever runs close to the inside of the flywheel, what is it?. I think thats about it for now, thanks, Cheers, Chester from West Aussie. From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue May 2 02:55:24 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:55:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC In-Reply-To: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> Message-ID: Hi Chester, i have a book i can copy for you which will explain all your questions,sounds as though the bracket would be for a wizard generator,you will see all the different set ups for the famous ignition in this book.cheers Dave in Vic Oz >From: "SERVICE" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: , "The SEL email discussion >list" >Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC >Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:19:27 +0800 > >Hi, >i have a "engine" related question for you guys, i have just picked up a >shed (barn) fresh engine, (as you yanks call them), it is a 1909 built 8 hp >famous on original transport 99.9% complete, i am still deciding what to do >with the restoration as although it was in a shed it is very rusty it has >no paint left and bottom of transport wheel rims & spokes are very thin, >also everything is seized although i dont think it would be really stuck. >The screen cooler is also rusted out, anyway my questions, 1) does anyone >have a plan for the seat & step as not much is left, 2) the handbrake lever >assy is missing, anyone have some good pics of one? 3) on the off side? >(opposite side to ignitor) there is a bracket/ lever? assembly bolted to >the front mounting bolts the lever runs close to the inside of the >flywheel, what is it?. I think thats about it for now, thanks, >Cheers, >Chester from West Aussie. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Research and compare new cars side by side at carpoint.com.au http://secure-au.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/a/ci_450304/et_2/cg_801459/pi_1004813/ai_833884 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 2 03:35:24 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:35:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC References: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <002801c66dd4$31a948f0$0b8431cb@ogborneuah38i3> You've done it again Chester ......that would be the same engine as the one down here at Camp Quaranup[ Old Quarantine Station]. Will we see you at the Ploughing Day on Saturday? BTW there are some engines for sale down here ....I think there is a Petter Two Stroke amongst them.----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > Hi, > i have a "engine" related question for you guys, i have just picked up a > shed (barn) fresh engine, (as you yanks call them), it is a 1909 built 8 > hp famous on original transport 99.9% complete, i am still deciding what > to do with the restoration as although it was in a shed it is very rusty > it has no paint left and bottom of transport wheel rims & spokes are very > thin, also everything is seized although i dont think it would be really > stuck. The screen cooler is also rusted out, anyway my questions, 1) does > anyone have a plan for the seat & step as not much is left, 2) the > handbrake lever assy is missing, anyone have some good pics of one? 3) on > the off side? (opposite side to ignitor) there is a bracket/ lever? > assembly bolted to the front mounting bolts the lever runs close to the > inside of the flywheel, what is it?. I think thats about it for now, > thanks, > Cheers, > Chester from West Aussie. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 2 09:21:49 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 12:21:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo/Tod Works Foundry. In-Reply-To: <017c01c66d67$540a2d50$bd161941@pengy> References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> <017c01c66d67$540a2d50$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <4457871D.10504@imc-group.com> Rick Rowlands wrote: > How is the piston machining going? Is the big piston going to have > enough stock to finish up? > Rick, You had to know I couldn't wait to get home and start making chips with this brand new casting!. Saturday morning I headed over to Tommy's and set the casting up in his big old Russian lathe's 4 jaw chuck and indicated in under the ring area. Then machined the OD, flipped around, did the crown, cut the ring grooves, and cut the steps. Here is the finished part except for the wrist pin lube hole, and wrist pin set screw holes (did these last night). References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> <017c01c66d67$540a2d50$bd161941@pengy> <4457871D.10504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <58694.161.114.64.71.1146589657.squirrel@webmail.velocitus.net> Hi Curt The semi finished piston looks great! I can?t wait to be at the same point. I have just been so busy I still haven?t been able to get my patterns finished and sent off to Rick. I need to put a finial coat of sealer on them, add the casting numbers and get them boxed up. Hopefully this weekend will get me a little closer to having them on the way. I enjoyed all the Babbitt pouring pictures, and the your new bearings look really nice, I bet the Alamo will be a sweet runner when finished. Dave >> > Rick, > You had to know I couldn't wait to get home and start making chips with > this brand new casting!. Saturday morning I headed over to Tommy's and > set the casting up in his big old Russian lathe's 4 jaw chuck and > indicated in under the ring area. Then machined the OD, flipped around, > did the crown, cut the ring grooves, and cut the steps. Here is the > finished part except for the wrist pin lube hole, and wrist pin set > screw holes (did these last night). > < From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 2 10:22:32 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 13:22:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hot Bulb info posted Message-ID: <44579558.2030505@imc-group.com> A couple of weeks ago I promised to post some technical information on hot bulbs for engines. Here is the link: I split the many pages up info 3 seperate .pdf files. Even as such the files are large so be patient as each .pdf loads. Hope this is useful. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 2 11:49:41 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:49:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. Message-ID: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a show Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith there. He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung around poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let him do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest in this part of the old iron hobby. For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall Devin picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a teenager) we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all the built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary hose to (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy and I sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed the entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they are here: The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the lookout for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area in the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs to be further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the side of the house! Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in this even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something productive that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the other temptations available to them at this age. Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy them. Curt & Missy Holland Gastonia, NC From falcon at telenet.net Tue May 2 13:05:42 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:05:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and buy the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of them and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. I do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for other folks. I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. > We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a show > Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith there. > He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung around > poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let him > do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest in > this part of the old iron hobby. > For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall Devin > picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a teenager) > we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all the > built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone > blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary hose to > (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy and I > sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed the > entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they are here: > > The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the lookout > for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area in > the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs to be > further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the side > of the house! > Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in this > even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something productive > that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the other > temptations available to them at this age. > Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy them. > Curt & Missy Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 2 11:33:38 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. In-Reply-To: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, You need to bring Devin north to the summer Fort Allen show at our West Overton show grounds on July 15&16. We've got an excellent blacksmithing building and a resident smith who excells at teaching. Too bad you didn't send this out a bit sooner. This past weekend we had a Hammer-In & Plow Days event that brought in a handful of ABANA smiths. http://www.abana.org/ There's a lot to learn when that gang is working. You also need to put his anvil on a big 'ol hunk of wood at a height so that his knuckles just graze the top of the anvil. PS - Make it adjustable... 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 2 May 2006, Curt wrote: > We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a show > Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith there. > He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung around > poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let him > do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest in > this part of the old iron hobby. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 2 14:22:26 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:22:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. Message-ID: <20060502.142227.179.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> PRICELESS Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Tue, 02 May 2006 14:49:41 -0400 Curt writes: > We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a show > > Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith > there. > He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung around > > poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let > him > do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest > in > this part of the old iron hobby. > For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall > Devin > picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a > teenager) > we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all > the > built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone > blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary hose > to > (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy > and I > sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed > the > entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they > are here: > > The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the > lookout > for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area > in > the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs > to be > further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the > side > of the house! > Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in this > > even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something productive > > that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the > other > temptations available to them at this age. > Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy > them. > Curt & Missy Holland > Gastonia, NC From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 2 14:23:51 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:23:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul Message-ID: <2e6.5efca64.318927e7@aol.com> In a message dated 5/1/2006 10:07:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: << You just give me a call and I'll come pick it up and store it at my place >> Thanks John, but with 375 acres, several out buildings and a couple of tobacco barns, I think I can find some place to store it. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 2 14:36:49 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:36:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul Message-ID: <3c8.1fa0e29.31892af1@aol.com> In a message dated 5/2/2006 4:07:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: << That engine sure would look good in your shed. >> I would go one better and say it would look GREAT in my shed! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue May 2 15:19:44 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:19:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo/Tod Works Foundry. References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> <017c01c66d67$540a2d50$bd161941@pengy> <4457871D.10504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <025901c66e36$8446a730$bd161941@pengy> Wow!!! That looks great. I'm impressed. I always worry that the metal will come out ok. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron and nonferrous castings 249 North Water Avenue Sharon, PA 16146 330-728-2799 Fax 330-759-1524 www.todengine.org/engineworks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo/Tod Works Foundry. > Rick Rowlands wrote: > >> How is the piston machining going? Is the big piston going to have >> enough stock to finish up? >> > Rick, > You had to know I couldn't wait to get home and start making chips with > this brand new casting!. Saturday morning I headed over to Tommy's and set > the casting up in his big old Russian lathe's 4 jaw chuck and indicated in > under the ring area. Then machined the OD, flipped around, did the crown, > cut the ring grooves, and cut the steps. Here is the finished part except > for the wrist pin lube hole, and wrist pin set screw holes (did these last > night). > and > As you can see it cleaned up well and your casting integrity is great with > no inclusion within. Pretty important with critical parts like pistons and > cylinders! > So folks, gather up your needed parts and lets cover Rick up with orders! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue May 2 16:31:28 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Milton IN auction results In-Reply-To: <025901c66e36$8446a730$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <20060502233128.22946.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was able to attend the auction in Milton IN on Friday and Saturday. Below is a link to the photos and prices that were realized. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006LeoDaniel1.htm There are 3 pages with ~280 photos total. I will have more prices once I get another list sent to me in a week or so. May take a while on dialup to download. Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue May 2 17:08:29 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:08:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Milton IN auction results References: <20060502233128.22946.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c66e45$b5ac3b00$240110ac@PAUL2> Great pictures Steve, thanks so much for going through all of the work to post them so that we could enjoy them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Milton IN auction results > > I was able to attend the auction in Milton IN on Friday and Saturday. > Below is a link to the photos and prices that were realized. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006LeoDaniel1.htm > > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue May 2 17:29:45 2006 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:29:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC References: Message-ID: <00c101c66e48$af7c56e0$210110ac@service> Hi Dave, a copy of the book would be excellent, i dont think the bracket is ignition related as it has a webster magneto, ignitor assy, cheers for now, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:55 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > Hi Chester, i have a book i can copy for you which will explain all your > questions,sounds as though the bracket would be for a wizard generator,you > will see all the different set ups for the famous ignition in this > book.cheers Dave in Vic Oz > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 2 17:33:27 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:33:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Milton IN auction results In-Reply-To: <20060502233128.22946.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060502233128.22946.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4457FA57.1020208@scrtc.com> Thanks Steve, great job as always. I didn't stay long after they got finished with the row that the Nonpareil was in. Prices are cheaper in KY! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I was able to attend the auction in Milton IN on Friday and Saturday. >Below is a link to the photos and prices that were realized. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006LeoDaniel1.htm > >There are 3 pages with ~280 photos total. I will have more prices once I >get another list sent to me in a week or so. May take a while on dialup >to download. > > >Steve > > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue May 2 18:59:56 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:59:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC In-Reply-To: <00c101c66e48$af7c56e0$210110ac@service> Message-ID: Hi chester, i will copy the book for you next week and if you send me your postal address off list i will send it to you,if your engine in 1909 as you say,it would have been a straight igniter or a flat bar webster as the more common webster wasn't used on inters until 1913 prior to that it was the flat bar from 1908 -13 or the wizard on 4,6,8 & 10hp in 1909, so the bracket could still be a generator one.regards Dave >From: "SERVICE" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC >Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:29:45 +0800 > >Hi Dave, >a copy of the book would be excellent, i dont think the bracket is ignition >related as it has a webster magneto, ignitor assy, >cheers for now, Chester. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" > >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:55 PM >Subject: RE: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > > >>Hi Chester, i have a book i can copy for you which will explain all your >>questions,sounds as though the bracket would be for a wizard generator,you >>will see all the different set ups for the famous ignition in this >>book.cheers Dave in Vic Oz >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Be the one of the first to try the NEW Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programPage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 2 19:50:58 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:50:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? Thoughts? (Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) Bill From plb at iinet.net.au Tue May 2 20:11:12 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:11:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <4sssth$lfaapi@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au> I did some research on this a few years back for my 1936 LA.Come up with Battleship Grey with Inter Red flywheel. Ray Freeman Perth W.Australia -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dickerson Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2006 10:51 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? Thoughts? (Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) Bill _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue May 2 20:17:49 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:17:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: Hi Bill, Alan C Kings book lists the paint color for inter LA as - engines built from 1934 to nov 1936 as being the main body gray with red flywheel after nov 1936 the entire engine was painted red,cheers Dave in oz >From: "Bill Dickerson" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA >Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:50:58 -0500 > > >I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? > >Thoughts? > >(Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) > >Bill > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Be the one of the first to try the NEW Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programPage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 2 20:28:13 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:28:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Milton IN auction results Message-ID: <20060502.233535.1036.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Steve, Amazing amount of work you put into those auction pics. Thanks. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ May is Motorcycle Awareness Month. (_o_) "Look twice - Save a life". From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue May 2 15:40:06 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:40:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works/Foundation Announcement References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <02d101c66e39$5c329d50$bd161941@pengy> After only two months of full time operation of the foundry we are moving! I've made an agreement with the owners of the property behind the Tod Engine museum site to buy the property and buildings and move the foundry to that location. The property in question is 3 acres. One of the buildings is a truck terminal and the other is a three bay garage. Both are concrete block construction. The property is contiguous with the Tod Engine museum. I plan to move the foundry into the truck terminal and use the garage as a restoration shop for the museum. The end of the terminal building is set up with offices and I'll be able to finally move our office from my residence as well as assemble the technical library in one site. There is plenty of flat land so that we can expand our yearly open house into an annual engine show. (like we need more shows!) I am looking to buy a 300 pound furnace to replace the 100 pounder that I currently use. As Curt can attest my big bottleneck is melting capacity. I can triple my daily output with a larger furnace. We're buying the site via land contract and in ten years the property will be ours free and clear. It certainly is a step in the right direction for us, allows us to bring everything to one location as well as providing more land for expansion. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 www.todengine.org William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" ; "OFES" Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. > Folks this was a banner weekend! Accomplished a significant milestone in > the restoration of the Alamo engine by successfully pouring both the lower > and upper mains on this engine. I had done lowers before, but was > apprehensive about the uppers. As it turned out they were easier than the > lowers. Missy and I picture documented this as best we could and I've put > it on the website. Maybe it will be useful to someone when pouring theirs. > Here is the link: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 2 20:56:00 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 23:56:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> References: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060502235509.040945c8@mail.alltel.net> At 10:50 PM 5/2/2006, you wrote: >I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? >Thoughts? >(Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) >Bill PUCE is always a good colo(u)r for a piglet! Dave From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue May 2 15:23:37 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:23:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get the larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and buy > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of them > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. I > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for > other folks. > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > he'd have become a vegan. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > along. > > >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a show >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith > there. >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung around >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let > him >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest in >> this part of the old iron hobby. >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall Devin >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a > teenager) >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all the >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary hose > to >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy and > I >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed the >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they are > here: >> > ils.html> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the > lookout >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area in >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs to > be >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the > side >> of the house! >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in this >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something productive >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the other >> temptations available to them at this age. >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy > them. >> Curt & Missy Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Wed May 3 00:01:00 2006 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:01:00 +1000 Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC References: <00c101c66e48$af7c56e0$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <004a01c66e7f$592f4590$5ead57ca@n> G'day Chester The bracket on the pulley side of your engine was there to fit a motsinger auto sparker too. It would have run off the face of your flywheel and you would have a plain ignitor in the barrel insted of the webster system. Looks like the farmer got sick of the old system and put on the far better webster setup on it as the motsinger system required the engine to be started on battery and coil then you changed it over to the autosparker. cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > Hi Dave, > a copy of the book would be excellent, i dont think the bracket is > ignition > related as it has a webster magneto, ignitor assy, > cheers for now, Chester. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Nicolson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:55 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > > >> Hi Chester, i have a book i can copy for you which will explain all your >> questions,sounds as though the bracket would be for a wizard >> generator,you >> will see all the different set ups for the famous ignition in this >> book.cheers Dave in Vic Oz >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 3 04:40:17 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 04:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060502235509.040945c8@mail.alltel.net> References: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <6.1.2.0.0.20060502235509.040945c8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4332.165.206.180.19.1146656417.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> That's pronounced "puke", right? :-) Bill > At 10:50 PM 5/2/2006, you wrote: >>I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? >>Thoughts? >>(Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) >>Bill > > PUCE is always a good colo(u)r for a piglet! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 3 04:45:23 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 04:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: References: <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <4362.165.206.180.19.1146656723.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Thanks to all for the replies, yes, even Dave for his words of wisdom - I always thought the gray used was a bit more "blue" than "battleship", but then I'm not QUITE old engough to remember when it was new/fresh paint, either. and my IH stuff is later - the F20, the plow, the mower, etc. Bill > Hi Bill, Alan C Kings book lists the paint color for inter LA as - engines > built from 1934 to nov 1936 as being the main body gray with red flywheel > after nov 1936 the entire engine was painted red,cheers Dave in oz > > >>From: "Bill Dickerson" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >>Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA >>Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:50:58 -0500 >> >> >>I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? >> >>Thoughts? >> >>(Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) >> >>Bill >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be the one of the first to try the NEW Windows Live Mail. > http://ideas.live.com/programPage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 3 06:06:11 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:06:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous Message-ID: <20060503130603.ELXO847.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Edd has been doing some work on his lovely 10hp throttle-governed Famous. I will leave it to Edd to fill in the details. This is how I last saw it a year or so ago: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/03083015.JPG This is it now: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100001.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100002.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100003.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100004.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed May 3 06:33:21 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:33:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous References: <20060503130603.ELXO847.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003701c66eb6$26714ae0$b685dccb@oemcomputer> Thanks for putting up the pics Patrick.I have had this engine for about 12 years.I found it at the bottom of a gully where it had been pushed by a dozer.I spent a full day on my own and dismantled the engine and winched it out bit by bit with the winch on my trailer.I reassembled it and got it going the following week.Since then I have obtained a cart that was found for me by Brock.I had screen coolers made for this engine and my 8hp Famous about 2 years ago but had not got around to fitting them.On the 10hp everything regarding the cooling system was missing and I have had to fit a water pump all the pipe work and the screen cooler.The next job is to fit a fuel tank that I will make soon and connect it all up.After this is all done it will be put to work on our wood saw to cut winter fire wood.My 6hp Mogul is doing this job at the moment.This work will run in the piston rings that I have fitted and be good fun as well. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:06 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous > Edd has been doing some work on his lovely 10hp throttle-governed Famous. I > will leave it to Edd to fill in the details. > This is how I last saw it a year or so ago: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/03083015.JPG > > This is it now: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100001.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100002.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100003.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100004.JPG > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Wed May 3 06:55:26 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:55:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly so some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and how large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good steel anvil made in the US. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. > I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get the > larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve W." > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > along. > > > > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and buy > > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of them > > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. I > > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for > > other folks. > > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > > > > Steve Williams > > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > > he'd have become a vegan. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Curt" > > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > > along. > > > > > >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a show > >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith > > there. > >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung around > >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let > > him > >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest in > >> this part of the old iron hobby. > >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall Devin > >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a > > teenager) > >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all the > >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone > >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary hose > > to > >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy and > > I > >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed the > >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they are > > here: > >> > > > ils.html> > >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the > > lookout > >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area in > >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs to > > be > >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the > > side > >> of the house! > >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in this > >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something productive > >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the other > >> temptations available to them at this age. > >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy > > them. > >> Curt & Missy Holland > >> Gastonia, NC > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed May 3 07:18:09 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:18:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <015e01c66ebc$6f0a4990$9b44e5d8@gary> This would be good information to have. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly so > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and how > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good steel > anvil made in the US. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > along. > > >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get the >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve W." >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > generation >> along. >> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and > buy >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of > them >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. > I >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for >> > other folks. >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. >> > >> > Steve Williams >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> > >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, >> > he'd have become a vegan. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Curt" >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" >> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation >> > along. >> > >> > >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a > show >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith >> > there. >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > around >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let >> > him >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest > in >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall > Devin >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a >> > teenager) >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all > the >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary > hose >> > to >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy > and >> > I >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed > the >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they > are >> > here: >> >> >> > > > > ils.html> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the >> > lookout >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area > in >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs > to >> > be >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the >> > side >> >> of the house! >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in > this >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > productive >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the > other >> >> temptations available to them at this age. >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy >> > them. >> >> Curt & Missy Holland >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Wed May 3 07:52:59 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:52:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel anvils, however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many hobbyist blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even if it is a beautiful piece? http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and heat treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat treater will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could probably sell a comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil would have the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our 1880s Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I can't pour these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a 300 pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron and nonferrous castings 249 North Water Avenue Sharon, PA 16146 330-728-2799 Fax 330-759-1524 www.todengine.org/engineworks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly so > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and how > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good steel > anvil made in the US. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > along. > > >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get the >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve W." >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > generation >> along. >> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and > buy >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of > them >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. > I >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for >> > other folks. >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. >> > >> > Steve Williams >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> > >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, >> > he'd have become a vegan. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Curt" >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" >> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation >> > along. >> > >> > >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a > show >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith >> > there. >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > around >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let >> > him >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest > in >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall > Devin >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a >> > teenager) >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all > the >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary > hose >> > to >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy > and >> > I >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed > the >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they > are >> > here: >> >> >> > > > > ils.html> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the >> > lookout >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area > in >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs > to >> > be >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the >> > side >> >> of the house! >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in > this >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > productive >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the > other >> >> temptations available to them at this age. >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy >> > them. >> >> Curt & Missy Holland >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 3 08:08:18 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: Hi Rick, A couple of comments.... Personally, I think those Nimba anvils are butt-flucking UGLY. They might be ideal and practical for a working smith, but they would do nothing for someone to whom esthetics mattered. Over the years I lost many an anvil at auctions to some Yuppie couple who wanted to paint it puce and put it next to the fireplace. The purchase dynamics are very different if you're buying an accent piece for home decoration or if you're buying a working tool. Don't forget the Yuppie market when you do your sales projections. Finally, I think if you could sell a nice traditional style 260 pound anvil with a good ring for $500 you'd sell a bunch!! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 3 May 2006, Rick Rowlands wrote: > I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel anvils, > however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many hobbyist > blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even if it is a > beautiful piece? > > http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ > > According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and heat > treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat treater > will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could probably sell a > comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil would have > the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our 1880s > Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. > > I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I can't pour > these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a 300 > pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Wed May 3 10:24:11 2006 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 12:24:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: I'd hate to use a hammer on one after paying that much... Hey Rick, if you decide to make some I could use a good size anvil on my cable rig! Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Wed, 3 May 2006, Rick Rowlands wrote: > I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel anvils, > however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many hobbyist > blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even if it is a > beautiful piece? > > http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ > > According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and heat > treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat treater > will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could probably sell a > comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil would have > the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our 1880s > Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. > > I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I can't pour > these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a 300 > pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > and nonferrous castings > 249 North Water Avenue > Sharon, PA 16146 > 330-728-2799 > Fax 330-759-1524 > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve W." > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > along. > > > > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly so > > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and how > > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good steel > > anvil made in the US. > > > > Steve Williams > > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Rowlands" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > > along. > > > > > >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get the > >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Steve W." > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > > generation > >> along. > >> > >> > >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and > > buy > >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of > > them > >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. > > I > >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for > >> > other folks. > >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > >> > > >> > Steve Williams > >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> > > >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > >> > he'd have become a vegan. > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Curt" > >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > >> > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > >> > along. > >> > > >> > > >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a > > show > >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith > >> > there. > >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > > around > >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let > >> > him > >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest > > in > >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. > >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall > > Devin > >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a > >> > teenager) > >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all > > the > >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone > >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary > > hose > >> > to > >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy > > and > >> > I > >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed > > the > >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they > > are > >> > here: > >> >> > >> > > > >> > ils.html> > >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the > >> > lookout > >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area > > in > >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs > > to > >> > be > >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the > >> > side > >> >> of the house! > >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in > > this > >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > > productive > >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the > > other > >> >> temptations available to them at this age. > >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy > >> > them. > >> >> Curt & Missy Holland > >> >> Gastonia, NC > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 3 10:19:49 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:19:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. In-Reply-To: <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <4458E635.5050308@imc-group.com> Steve, That would be .30 percent carbon. The second two numbers tell you this. 1045 is .45 % carbon, 1018 is .18 % carbon, etc. Alloy 8620 is a common bolt grade steel. Has excellent Izod imact strength/resistance. The 8630 would allow just a little more hardening with the core still maintaining softness, but would be a good anvil material due to the impact strength. The nickle, chrome, moly additions in this alloy are the contributers to the fracture toughness. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Steve W. wrote: >Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon >content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly so >some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and how >large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good steel >anvil made in the US. > > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 3 10:26:21 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:26:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <4458E7BD.3030309@imc-group.com> Rick Rowlands wrote: > > I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. Gotta finish Leroy's pattern first!!! Curt From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 3 10:47:14 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:47:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060502235509.040945c8@mail.alltel.net> References: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <6.1.2.0.0.20060502235509.040945c8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4458ECA2.8070808@imc-group.com> Could always paint it like this one we saw in Oz last year. Curt Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 10:50 PM 5/2/2006, you wrote: > >> I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? >> Thoughts? >> (Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) >> Bill > > > PUCE is always a good colo(u)r for a piglet! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 3 11:59:35 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils / Humor (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: While folks are thinking about anvils, it might be time to think about other fun with anvils... Like Anvil Shooting. Enjoy. See ya, Arnie http://www.anvilfire.com/iForge/tutor/July4th/top_index.htm http://www.horseshoes.com/humor/anvilshooting/anvilshooting.htm http://www.museumofappalachia.com/July_4th.htm http://www.anvilmag.com/comment/111d2.htm http://www.2camels.com/festival107.php3 From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 3 13:51:54 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:51:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: My dad had six anvils, including the one he used when he was growing up, on wood blocks in the yard and driveway. When he died, a truck pulled up in the driveway and they were all hauled off. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed May 3 14:14:25 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:14:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils Message-ID: <3f6.1502daa.318a7731@aol.com> John, That is truly a sad story. I am sorry you don't have at least one of them. Ron In a message dated 5/3/2006 4:07:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: My dad had six anvils, including the one he used when he was growing up, on wood blocks in the yard and driveway. When he died, a truck pulled up in the driveway and they were all hauled off. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA -------------------------------1146690865 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 3 14:25:27 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:25:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils Message-ID: <2d8.6cb27c8.318a79c7@aol.com> In a message dated 5/3/2006 5:07:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << When he died, a truck pulled up in the driveway and they were all hauled off. >> John, Stolen? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 3 14:44:17 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:44:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <2d8.6cb27c8.318a79c7@aol.com> References: <2d8.6cb27c8.318a79c7@aol.com> Message-ID: > Stolen? Yep. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 3 14:47:54 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:47:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <3f6.1502daa.318a7731@aol.com> References: <3f6.1502daa.318a7731@aol.com> Message-ID: I've got a little bitty jeweler's anvil of his. Think I gave it to Jennifer, come to think of it. She's a metalsmith and jewelry maker. I'm not sure if I posted that she tied for first in NICHE Magazine's Student Awards in the Fine Jewelry category in February. Had to take her to Philadelphia for that. We only knew she was a finalist, of which there were a boatload. NICHE is a trade magazine for art galleries, etc. John On May 3, 2006, at 5:14 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > John, > That is truly a sad story. I am sorry you don't have at least one of > them. > Ron John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From falcon at telenet.net Wed May 3 16:03:00 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:03:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel anvils, > however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many hobbyist > blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even if it is a > beautiful piece? > > http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ > > According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and heat > treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat treater > will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could probably sell a > comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil would have > the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our 1880s > Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. > > I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I can't pour > these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a 300 > pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > and nonferrous castings > 249 North Water Avenue > Sharon, PA 16146 > 330-728-2799 > Fax 330-759-1524 > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve W." > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > along. > > > > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly so > > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and how > > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good steel > > anvil made in the US. > > > > Steve Williams > > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Rowlands" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > > along. > > > > > >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get the > >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Steve W." > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > > generation > >> along. > >> > >> > >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and > > buy > >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of > > them > >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. > > I > >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for > >> > other folks. > >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > >> > > >> > Steve Williams > >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> > > >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > >> > he'd have become a vegan. > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Curt" > >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > >> > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > >> > along. > >> > > >> > > >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a > > show > >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith > >> > there. > >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > > around > >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let > >> > him > >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest > > in > >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. > >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall > > Devin > >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a > >> > teenager) > >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all > > the > >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone > >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary > > hose > >> > to > >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy > > and > >> > I > >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed > > the > >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they > > are > >> > here: > >> >> > >> > > > >> > ils.html> > >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the > >> > lookout > >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area > > in > >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs > > to > >> > be > >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the > >> > side > >> >> of the house! > >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in > > this > >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > > productive > >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the > > other > >> >> temptations available to them at this age. > >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy > >> > them. > >> >> Curt & Missy Holland > >> >> Gastonia, NC > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 3 16:21:21 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:21:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <043001c66f08$4b802a70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > I've got a little bitty jeweler's anvil of his. Think I gave it to > Jennifer, come to think of it. She's a metalsmith and jewelry maker. > I'm not sure if I posted that she tied for first in NICHE Magazine's > Student Awards in the Fine Jewelry category in February. Had to take > her to Philadelphia for that. We only knew she was a > finalist, of which there were a boatload. NICHE is a trade > magazine for art galleries, etc. As a former worker in that business, I'd like to see some pictures of her work. Rob From segray at mlode.com Wed May 3 16:39:08 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:39:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils / Humor (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <44593F1C.3060607@mlode.com> I have an old engine and Dodge Bros. collector for a friend up the road who holds an annual anvil/cannon shoot get-together every Labor Day weekend. He does this as a "Test Firing" for the 'real' anvil shoot that's he holds the following week in the mining town of Columbia, about 3 miles from me. I shot a video of one of his shoots about 3 years ago and it's available at http://www.oldengineshed.com/videos/anvil.mpg (the guy lighting the fuse is actually a friend of his). The file's about 1.4 meg in size. The noises in the background are the engines on my large engine trailer that was displayed at this particular meet (2004?). OBTW, The cannon shoot is also available at http://www.oldengineshed.com/videos/cannon.mpg (about 602k in size), for those interested in big booms! -Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Arnie Fero wrote: >While folks are thinking about anvils, it might be time to think about >other fun with anvils... Like Anvil Shooting. Enjoy. > >See ya, Arnie > >http://www.anvilfire.com/iForge/tutor/July4th/top_index.htm >http://www.horseshoes.com/humor/anvilshooting/anvilshooting.htm >http://www.museumofappalachia.com/July_4th.htm >http://www.anvilmag.com/comment/111d2.htm >http://www.2camels.com/festival107.php3 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 3 17:39:32 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:39:32 EDT Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils / photo Message-ID: <3ba.2457ff4.318aa744@aol.com> Here is a photo of my anvils that I pick up occasionally at auctions or elsewhere. The largest on the far right is a 250# and the tall one on the left is a cone anvil for shaping rings. One in the basement is a Peter Wright, 1893 by serial number on it, and been on Millie's farm ever since anyone can remember. http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/MVC-006s%20(2).jpg I collect these for old age when I can no longer start engines and will mount them on a trailer, taking them to shows, and let the kids hammer on them all day. No grease, no oil, no gas, no starting problems, etc. Just sit in the easy chair all day and enjoy the show! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Vivas1993 at aol.com Wed May 3 17:41:27 2006 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:41:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous Message-ID: <360.3755924.318aa7b7@aol.com> Patrick, Thanks for the pictures of Edd's 10hp IHC. Edd, that's a fine looking engine ! Now for some opinions. I have an 8hp IHC portable in about the same condition as Edd's engine. The only major part that is missing is the screen cooler & the intake valve gas saver lock, it's a hit & miss. Several years ago when I got the engine, plans were to do a complete restoration. Now I kinda like the looks of an as found engine. Although the piston is still stuck, the engine seems to be in pretty good shape, gears look great and the bearings show very little wear. So if was your engine, what would you do ? Complete restoration, or just clean it up and bring it back to running condition ? Thanks, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. -------------------------------1146703287 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Patrick,
 Thanks for the pictures of Edd's 10hp IHC. Edd, that's a fine loo= king=20 engine !
 
 Now for some opinions. I have an 8hp IHC portable in about the sa= me=20 condition as Edd's engine. The only major part that is missing is the screen= =20 cooler & the intake valve gas saver lock, it's a hit &=20 miss. Several years ago when I got the engine, plans were to do a compl= ete=20 restoration. Now I kinda like the looks of an as found engine. Although the=20 piston is still stuck, the engine seems to be in pretty good shape, gears lo= ok=20 great and the bearings show very little wear.
 So if was your engine, what would you do ?  Complete=20 restoration, or just clean it up and bring it back to running condition ?
 Thanks,
 Dwight Vivas
 Matoaca, VA.
 From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 3 18:30:48 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:30:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: <043001c66f08$4b802a70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <043001c66f08$4b802a70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: This is what she won the award for. Called "Birth Control Ring." An early piece of hers. The ring has a uterus, tubes and ovaries on it. The uterus is a locket, opening to reveal a birth control pill on an umbilical cord inside. http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Birth_Control_Ring.jpg John On May 3, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > As a former worker in that business, I'd like to see some > pictures of her work. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 3 19:03:46 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:03:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: References: <043001c66f08$4b802a70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <44596102.5040505@scrtc.com> My goodness, I've seen it all on the SEL now! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > This is what she won the award for. Called "Birth Control Ring." An > early piece of hers. The ring has a uterus, tubes and ovaries on it. > The uterus is a locket, opening to reveal a birth control pill on an > umbilical cord inside. > > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Birth_Control_Ring.jpg > > John > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 3 19:43:33 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:43:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous In-Reply-To: <003701c66eb6$26714ae0$b685dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <044901c66f24$8a5aa560$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >I have had this engine for about 12 years.I found it at >the bottom of a gully where it had been pushed by a >dozer.I spent a full day on my own and dismantled the >engine and winched it out bit by bit with the winch on >my trailer. That's really cool, Edd, finding discarded junk and turning it into a NICE engine. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 3 19:46:12 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:46:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous In-Reply-To: <003701c66eb6$26714ae0$b685dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <044a01c66f24$e97d0bf0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Hi Dwight, I'm fond of "minimalist" restorations. She's only original once. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 3 19:53:13 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:53:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <044b01c66f25$e403b880$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > This is what she won the award for. Called "Birth Control Ring." An > early piece of hers. The ring has a uterus, tubes and ovaries on it. > The uterus is a locket, opening to reveal a birth control pill on an > umbilical cord inside. Ah, I should have known... a clever melding of art, science and philosophy. Sadly, I'm too dense to fully appreciate the symbolism. But being pragmatic, I could see how it would be much more useful if it contained a hit of RU-486. Then the gal would be like Underdog. From oiseming at moscow.com Wed May 3 19:58:27 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:58:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils / photo In-Reply-To: <3ba.2457ff4.318aa744@aol.com> Message-ID: <200605040258.k442wZKV086395@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:40 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils / photo Here is a photo of my anvils that I pick up occasionally at auctions or elsewhere. The largest on the far right is a 250# and the tall one on the left is a cone anvil for shaping rings. One in the basement is a Peter Wright, 1893 by serial number on it, and been on Millie's farm ever since anyone can remember. http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/MVC-006s%20(2).jpg I collect these for old age when I can no longer start engines and will mount them on a trailer, taking them to shows, and let the kids hammer on them all day. No grease, no oil, no gas, no starting problems, etc. Just sit in the easy chair all day and enjoy the show! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~ Wow! That's quite a line-up. I looked most of my life for an affordable anvil and was drawing Social Security before I found one. Now I know why it took so long: Tom had 'em all. :-) Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed May 3 20:10:46 2006 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:10:46 +0800 Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC References: <00c101c66e48$af7c56e0$210110ac@service> <004a01c66e7f$592f4590$5ead57ca@n> Message-ID: <014f01c66f28$589061b0$210110ac@service> Hi Mick, now i think about it you are probally right, running from front of the cooling tank to the ignitor side of engine are three cloth woven wires very neatly done, i couldnt work out what they were for, but probally they are the original battery,coil wires? interesting. Cheers for now Chester from West Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Christie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [S] Re: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > G'day Chester > The bracket on the pulley side of your engine was there to fit a motsinger > auto sparker too. It would have run off the face of your flywheel and you > would have a plain ignitor in the barrel insted of the webster system. > Looks like the farmer got sick of the old system and put on the far better > webster setup on it as the motsinger system required the engine to be > started on battery and coil then you changed it over to the autosparker. > cheers > Mick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SERVICE" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:29 AM > Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > > >> Hi Dave, >> a copy of the book would be excellent, i dont think the bracket is >> ignition >> related as it has a webster magneto, ignitor assy, >> cheers for now, Chester. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Nicolson" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:55 PM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC >> >> >>> Hi Chester, i have a book i can copy for you which will explain all your >>> questions,sounds as though the bracket would be for a wizard >>> generator,you >>> will see all the different set ups for the famous ignition in this >>> book.cheers Dave in Vic Oz >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 3 22:56:19 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 01:56:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: <044b01c66f25$e403b880$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <044b01c66f25$e403b880$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <285c63b9142e3df1923fa13a6d2a4bdb@chartertn.net> I scratched my head and thought "What the hell?" when I saw it, too. Women tend to see it and grin. It got the biggest response from the audience of anything at the show in Philadelphia. She explained that it was her response to the "True Love Waits" rings that were marketed to teenage girls a few years ago. She doesn't think that abstinence-only education is very sensible. John On May 3, 2006, at 10:53 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Ah, I should have known... a clever melding of art, science > and philosophy. Sadly, I'm too dense to fully appreciate > the symbolism. But being pragmatic, I could see how it > would be much more useful if it contained a hit of RU-486. > Then the gal would be like Underdog. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 4 03:29:48 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:29:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? Message-ID: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a brown onion.Put these in your blender and......................................oh shit I forgot this is an engine and machinery list please forgive me! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu May 4 03:48:02 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:48:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? In-Reply-To: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <045c01c66f68$37d55e90$8335c53e@doc> No. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > peter ogborne > Sent: 04 May 2006 11:30 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? > > Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes > and a brown > onion.Put these in your blender > and......................................oh > shit I forgot this is an engine and machinery list please forgive me! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > :-) Pete -- Peter Scales From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu May 4 04:00:21 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:00:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need for a moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now they will become collectors items. The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone have any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know anything about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in it. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron and nonferrous castings 249 North Water Avenue Sharon, PA 16146 330-728-2799 Fax 330-759-1524 www.todengine.org/engineworks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of > them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > >> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel > anvils, >> however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many > hobbyist >> blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even if > it is a >> beautiful piece? >> >> http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ >> >> According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and heat >> treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat > treater >> will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could probably > sell a >> comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil would > have >> the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our > 1880s >> Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. >> >> I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I can't > pour >> these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a > 300 >> pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Tod Engine Works >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron >> and nonferrous castings >> 249 North Water Avenue >> Sharon, PA 16146 >> 330-728-2799 >> Fax 330-759-1524 >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve W." >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > generation >> along. >> >> >> > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon >> > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly > so >> > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and > how >> > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good > steel >> > anvil made in the US. >> > >> > Steve Williams >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > generation >> > along. >> > >> > >> >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get > the >> >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Steve W." >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >> > generation >> >> along. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight > and >> > buy >> >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two > of >> > them >> >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the > face. >> > I >> >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items > for >> >> > other folks. >> >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. >> >> > >> >> > Steve Williams >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> >> > >> >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed >> >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, >> >> > he'd have become a vegan. >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Curt" >> >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL > (Oldengine.org)" >> >> > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > generation >> >> > along. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a >> > show >> >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the > blacksmith >> >> > there. >> >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung >> > around >> >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has > let >> >> > him >> >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong > interest >> > in >> >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. >> >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall >> > Devin >> >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a >> >> > teenager) >> >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing > all >> > the >> >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand > alone >> >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary >> > hose >> >> > to >> >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. > Missy >> > and >> >> > I >> >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and > enjoyed >> > the >> >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and > they >> > are >> >> > here: >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > >> > ils.html> >> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the >> >> > lookout >> >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little > area >> > in >> >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely > needs >> > to >> >> > be >> >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up > the >> >> > side >> >> >> of the house! >> >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in >> > this >> >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something >> > productive >> >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the >> > other >> >> >> temptations available to them at this age. >> >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you > enjoy >> >> > them. >> >> >> Curt & Missy Holland >> >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu May 4 04:04:44 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:04:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000501c66f6a$8e29fa10$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? > Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a brown > onion.Put these in your blender and......................................oh > shit I forgot this is an engine and machinery list please forgive me! > Peter Ogborne Peter, I think you are getting your lists mixed up. The only recipes that are being mentioned are on the "Off Topic" list. They are there so as to not annoy the ATIS posters that are 100% engine. Have you subscribed to the OT list? Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 4 04:54:35 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 07:54:35 -0400 Subject: (way the hell OT) Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: <285c63b9142e3df1923fa13a6d2a4bdb@chartertn.net> References: <044b01c66f25$e403b880$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <285c63b9142e3df1923fa13a6d2a4bdb@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <4459EB7B.1030500@imc-group.com> John Culp wrote: > I scratched my head and thought "What the hell?" John, Glad to know your sence of judgement isn't clouded by father's love! Curt From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 4 04:59:13 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 07:59:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <4459EC91.60502@imc-group.com> Rick, I was wondering if a small pocket should be built in to the base to more easily hold the blackpowder charge for the inevitable anvil launching :-) Curt Rick Rowlands wrote: > It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need > for a moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from > now they will become collectors items. > > The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone > have any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know > anything about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to > include in it. > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu May 4 05:18:35 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 22:18:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous References: <360.3755924.318aa7b7@aol.com> Message-ID: <002701c66f74$dee6e080$e185dccb@oemcomputer> Hi Dwight.It's your engine so make it the way you like it.I have done both.Some of my engines are totally restored with nice paint jobs others are restored but left in there as is state for appearance.People like them both ways but the as are engines seem to get the most lookers and good comments at shows.In many cases they have more character EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:41 Subject: Re: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous > Patrick, > Thanks for the pictures of Edd's 10hp IHC. Edd, that's a fine looking > engine ! > > Now for some opinions. I have an 8hp IHC portable in about the same > condition as Edd's engine. The only major part that is missing is the screen cooler > & the intake valve gas saver lock, it's a hit & miss. Several years ago when > I got the engine, plans were to do a complete restoration. Now I kinda like > the looks of an as found engine. Although the piston is still stuck, the > engine seems to be in pretty good shape, gears look great and the bearings show > very little wear. > So if was your engine, what would you do ? Complete restoration, or just > clean it up and bring it back to running condition ? > Thanks, > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA. > > -------------------------------1146703287 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > Arial"=20 > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> e_document=20 > face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> >
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 Thanks for the pictures of Edd's 10hp IHC. Edd, that's a fine loo= > king=20 > engine !
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 Now for some opinions. I have an 8hp IHC portable in about the sa= > me=20 > condition as Edd's engine. The only major part that is missing is the screen= > =20 > cooler & the intake valve gas saver lock, it's a hit &=20 > miss. Several years ago when I got the engine, plans were to do a compl= > ete=20 > restoration. Now I kinda like the looks of an as found engine. Although the=20 > piston is still stuck, the engine seems to be in pretty good shape, gears lo= > ok=20 > great and the bearings show very little wear.
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 So if was your engine, what would you do ?  Complete=20 > restoration, or just clean it up and bring it back to running condition ? IV> >
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 Dwight Vivas
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 Matoaca, VA.
 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 4 05:19:06 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 05:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? In-Reply-To: <000501c66f6a$8e29fa10$3ac10b52@no1> References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> <000501c66f6a$8e29fa10$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <2641.165.206.180.19.1146745146.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Crap. I missed the last half of that recipe! Dang! Now I'll never know what it was........ this is like a bad soap opera. Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 11:29 AM > Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? > > >> Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a >> brown >> onion.Put these in your blender >> and......................................oh >> shit I forgot this is an engine and machinery list please forgive me! >> Peter Ogborne > > Peter, I think you are getting your lists mixed up. > The only recipes that are being mentioned are on the "Off Topic" list. > They are there so as to not annoy the ATIS posters that are 100% engine. > Have you subscribed to the OT list? > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 4 05:37:26 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 05:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic In-Reply-To: <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <2686.165.206.180.19.1146746246.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I got a good used powdercoating setup, and have a good used oven in the garage. Was going to use it for a few car parts - like suspension part and so on, then got to thinking, what about the small engines, like the Maytag, B&S, etc - anyone ever powdercoated any engines or parts? I could do anything that would fit into a standard 30" oven (of course they aren't 30" on the INSIDE!) Smaller flywheels are a good example, or fuel tanks because gas doesn't seem to be hard on the powder like it is many paints. Has anyone else used powdercoating, what are their thought or opinions, and specifically how it might relate to our toys - specifically, engines. Bill Runnells, IA From falcon at telenet.net Thu May 4 06:10:47 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:10:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <009001c66f7c$297e2ac0$c01117d1@net.telenet.net> Tom has a good pattern you could copy... The picture he linked has a pretty good line-up of different designs. Basically it needs to be stable and have the steel under the areas that you use for working the steel. While the Nimba is an UGLY looking anvil it is a great working piece. Then at the other end of the spectrum are the newer farriers anvils, they don't have enough iron in the heel or horn to be used effectively as a heavy anvil. Then if you toss in the old Japanese designs (simple block shapes) or some of the German or Greek armorers anvils (they had cast in curves and divots to form arm and leg armor) easier, it gets a bit confusing. Personally I like either the Peddinghaus style or the Vaughn/Brooks. The old Mouse Hole anvils are good workers but that short horn means you need to have a few stake anvils to form smaller items (which isn't a bad thing) You might consider making a few accessories as well. Things like forming cones and stakes and hardie tools are getting very hard to find because of all the folks "collecting" them. http://www.blackiron.us/anvil-types.html shows many of the styles. Now for the 100 dollar question, What will you be using for your trademark on the anvil? Maybe a cast in image of the Tod? Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need for a > moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now they > will become collectors items. > > The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone have > any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know anything > about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in it. > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > and nonferrous castings > 249 North Water Avenue > Sharon, PA 16146 > 330-728-2799 > Fax 330-759-1524 > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve W." > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > > > If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of > > them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. > > > > Steve Williams > > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Rowlands" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > > > > >> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel > > anvils, > >> however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many > > hobbyist > >> blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even if > > it is a > >> beautiful piece? > >> > >> http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ > >> > >> According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and heat > >> treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat > > treater > >> will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could probably > > sell a > >> comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil would > > have > >> the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our > > 1880s > >> Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. > >> > >> I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I can't > > pour > >> these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a > > 300 > >> pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. > >> > >> Rick Rowlands > >> Tod Engine Works > >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > >> and nonferrous castings > >> 249 North Water Avenue > >> Sharon, PA 16146 > >> 330-728-2799 > >> Fax 330-759-1524 > >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Steve W." > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > > generation > >> along. > >> > >> > >> > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > >> > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly > > so > >> > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and > > how > >> > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good > > steel > >> > anvil made in the US. > >> > > >> > Steve Williams > >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" > >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > > generation > >> > along. > >> > > >> > > >> >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get > > the > >> >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. > >> >> > >> >> Rick > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Steve W." > >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >> > generation > >> >> along. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight > > and > >> > buy > >> >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two > > of > >> > them > >> >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the > > face. > >> > I > >> >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items > > for > >> >> > other folks. > >> >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > >> >> > > >> >> > Steve Williams > >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> >> > > >> >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > >> >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > >> >> > he'd have become a vegan. > >> >> > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Curt" > >> >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL > > (Oldengine.org)" > >> >> > > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > > generation > >> >> > along. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a > >> > show > >> >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the > > blacksmith > >> >> > there. > >> >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > >> > around > >> >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has > > let > >> >> > him > >> >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong > > interest > >> > in > >> >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. > >> >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall > >> > Devin > >> >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a > >> >> > teenager) > >> >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing > > all > >> > the > >> >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand > > alone > >> >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary > >> > hose > >> >> > to > >> >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. > > Missy > >> > and > >> >> > I > >> >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and > > enjoyed > >> > the > >> >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and > > they > >> > are > >> >> > here: > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > ils.html> > >> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the > >> >> > lookout > >> >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little > > area > >> > in > >> >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely > > needs > >> > to > >> >> > be > >> >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up > > the > >> >> > side > >> >> >> of the house! > >> >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in > >> > this > >> >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > >> > productive > >> >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the > >> > other > >> >> >> temptations available to them at this age. > >> >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you > > enjoy > >> >> > them. > >> >> >> Curt & Missy Holland > >> >> >> Gastonia, NC > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > SEL mailing list > >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 4 06:26:35 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: References: <043001c66f08$4b802a70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: Hi John, Jeeze man, that looks like a tab of Ecstasy!! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 3 May 2006, John Culp wrote: > This is what she won the award for. Called "Birth Control Ring." An > early piece of hers. The ring has a uterus, tubes and ovaries on it. > The uterus is a locket, opening to reveal a birth control pill on an > umbilical cord inside. > > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Birth_Control_Ring.jpg From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 4 07:09:23 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? In-Reply-To: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: G'day Pete, Now that may just be one of the lamest hissy-fit posts to hit the SEL in years. You CLEARLY don't pay attention mate. Everyone who is really into olde engines (as opposed to pointless bitching) is aware that FOOD (and hence recipies) is an integral part of the enjoyment of the hobby. In fact the SEL Cookbook was the highlight of the 2001 SEL Charity Auction. See http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/cookbook.htm Now I can see that this will present you with several serious problems. If you download a copy of the SEL Cookbook you would be honor-bound to send a contribution to Spencer, said contribution going to good charitable work. However since engine-related charities are in the minority, that would obviously distress you greatly. Second, if you happened to actually READ the cookbook, you might find that your engine mates have broad-ranging tastes in food to be enjoyed at engine shows and that they have pretty keen writing skills and a good sense of humor too. All of which you apparently lack. So mate, instead of pitching a hissy-fit, how about contributing something useful? BTW, which was your favorite recipe in the SEL Cookbook? Personally, I like the Possibly Possum Road Kill Chili, but the hopper-cooking recipies are pretty neat as is the section on brats! YUM, I'm starting to get hungry, I better go fire up an engine. See ya, Arnie PS - The FINEST black pudding I ever enjoyed was hopper-cooked in Dave Croft's Danish Uller at the 1000 Engine Rally in 2001. Double YUM! http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle2.jpg Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 4 May 2006, peter ogborne wrote: > Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a brown > onion.Put these in your blender and......................................oh > shit I forgot this is an engine and machinery list please forgive me! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu May 4 07:59:30 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:59:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous In-Reply-To: <002701c66f74$dee6e080$e185dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <046c01c66f8b$5a48de20$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Hi Dwight.It's your engine so make it >the way you like it.I have done both. Hey Edd, My friend Jack is a "paint it up" sort of guy. He was always of the opinion that Kelley and I should paint our Ericsson, which we think looks nice with remnants of black paint. He'd say, "Rob, why don't you paint that engine? It looks like a bloody funeral procession!" Then I'd say, "Jack, why don't you scrape that paint off your engine? It looks like a bloody circus clown!" Then we'd laugh, sit back and watch the tourists some more. Life is good. Rob From falcon at telenet.net Thu May 4 08:20:12 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:20:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net><04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <2686.165.206.180.19.1146746246.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <001b01c66f8e$3d5bbfa0$9f1117d1@net.telenet.net> Spent 12 years in a powder/liquid spray shop. Did LOT's of different items. Engines are a bit of a problem because of the heat they generate. If a powder cures at 400 degrees that is also the temperature it will get soft at. Also it will start to burn and char at temperatures closer to 500-600 degrees. Now on the crankcases it shouldn't be a problem but don't get it on the fins since it will hold in heat and could cause damage to the engine. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 8:37 AM Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic > I got a good used powdercoating setup, and have a good used oven in the > garage. > Was going to use it for a few car parts - like suspension part and so on, > then got to thinking, what about the small engines, like the Maytag, B&S, > etc - anyone ever powdercoated any engines or parts? > I could do anything that would fit into a standard 30" oven (of course > they aren't 30" on the INSIDE!) > > Smaller flywheels are a good example, or fuel tanks because gas doesn't > seem to be hard on the powder like it is many paints. > > Has anyone else used powdercoating, what are their thought or opinions, > and specifically how it might relate to our toys - specifically, engines. > > > Bill > Runnells, IA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu May 4 08:21:39 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:21:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: <285c63b9142e3df1923fa13a6d2a4bdb@chartertn.net> References: <044b01c66f25$e403b880$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <285c63b9142e3df1923fa13a6d2a4bdb@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <445A1C03.7020503@insulate.co.uk> Hi John Wow!!! Jennifer's artistic talents continue to develop. Is there a website with more of her designs? Does this mean that I should display Margaret with a security guard from now on as the value of one of Jennifer's early designs rockets skywards??? For newcomers to the list (by which I mean anyone who has joined in the last 6 years), this IS engine-related. http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/maytag.htm Dolly John Culp wrote: > I scratched my head and thought "What the hell?" when I saw it, too. > Women tend to see it and grin. It got the biggest response from the > audience of anything at the show in Philadelphia. She explained that > it was her response to the "True Love Waits" rings that were marketed > to teenage girls a few years ago. She doesn't think that > abstinence-only education is very sensible. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 4 10:27:01 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic In-Reply-To: <001b01c66f8e$3d5bbfa0$9f1117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net><04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <2686.165.206.180.19.1146746246.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <001b01c66f8e$3d5bbfa0$9f1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <3172.165.206.180.19.1146763621.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> WOW, Steve - that is something I guess I'd not given thought to - the heat. DUH. Man, I hate it when I miss something so obvious. OK, then perhaps on parts that won't get hot (Dave would say a Maytag at this point since he'd say an engine has to run to get hot...........) Could be good on the trucks - wheels, axles, supports, etc. Or items not exposed to heat close to 400 degrees or more then. Yeah, 400 is what the oven is supposed to be set for with what I have, powders from eastwood. Bill > Spent 12 years in a powder/liquid spray shop. Did LOT's of different > items. Engines are a bit of a problem because of the heat they generate. > If a powder cures at 400 degrees that is also the temperature it will > get soft at. Also it will start to burn and char at temperatures closer > to 500-600 degrees. Now on the crankcases it shouldn't be a problem but > don't get it on the fins since it will hold in heat and could cause > damage to the engine. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 8:37 AM > Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic > > >> I got a good used powdercoating setup, and have a good used oven in > the >> garage. >> Was going to use it for a few car parts - like suspension part and so > on, >> then got to thinking, what about the small engines, like the Maytag, > B&S, >> etc - anyone ever powdercoated any engines or parts? >> I could do anything that would fit into a standard 30" oven (of course >> they aren't 30" on the INSIDE!) >> >> Smaller flywheels are a good example, or fuel tanks because gas > doesn't >> seem to be hard on the powder like it is many paints. >> >> Has anyone else used powdercoating, what are their thought or > opinions, >> and specifically how it might relate to our toys - specifically, > engines. >> >> >> Bill >> Runnells, IA >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 4 10:28:27 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? In-Reply-To: References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <3176.165.206.180.19.1146763707.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Love the roadkill stuff - it's pre-grilled :-) Bill > G'day Pete, > > Now that may just be one of the lamest hissy-fit posts to hit the SEL in > years. You CLEARLY don't pay attention mate. Everyone who is really into > olde engines (as opposed to pointless bitching) is aware that FOOD (and > hence recipies) is an integral part of the enjoyment of the hobby. In > fact the SEL Cookbook was the highlight of the 2001 SEL Charity Auction. > > See http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/cookbook.htm > > Now I can see that this will present you with several serious problems. > If you download a copy of the SEL Cookbook you would be honor-bound to > send a contribution to Spencer, said contribution going to good > charitable work. However since engine-related charities are in the > minority, that would obviously distress you greatly. Second, if you > happened to actually READ the cookbook, you might find that your engine > mates have broad-ranging tastes in food to be enjoyed at engine shows and > that they have pretty keen writing skills and a good sense of humor too. > All of which you apparently lack. > > So mate, instead of pitching a hissy-fit, how about contributing something > useful? BTW, which was your favorite recipe in the SEL Cookbook? > Personally, I like the Possibly Possum Road Kill Chili, but the > hopper-cooking recipies are pretty neat as is the section on brats! YUM, > I'm starting to get hungry, I better go fire up an engine. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - The FINEST black pudding I ever enjoyed was hopper-cooked in Dave > Croft's Danish Uller at the 1000 Engine Rally in 2001. Double YUM! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle2.jpg > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Thu, 4 May 2006, peter ogborne wrote: > >> Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a >> brown >> onion.Put these in your blender >> and......................................oh >> shit I forgot this is an engine and machinery list please forgive me! >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 4 11:07:56 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 14:07:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic In-Reply-To: <3172.165.206.180.19.1146763621.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net><04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <2686.165.206.180.19.1146746246.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <001b01c66f8e$3d5bbfa0$9f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <3172.165.206.180.19.1146763621.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <445A42FC.9020807@imc-group.com> Bill, I've powder coated flat belt pulleys and cart wheels on several engines. I have a neighbor in the light pole business so I get the "good neighbor discount" (free). Powder coat is some tough stuff. It is a bear to blast back off! So if you want an excellent, tough finish go for it. Aside from exhaust manifolds, if you have old engine parts approaching 400?F you got bigger problems than worrying about charred powdercoat! My neighbor tells me that if the powdercoat get scuffed all you have to do is reheat that part to the flow temperature and the finish is restored to the original high gloss. That's a neat feature. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >WOW, Steve - that is something I guess I'd not given thought to - the heat. >DUH. Man, I hate it when I miss something so obvious. > >OK, then perhaps on parts that won't get hot (Dave would say a Maytag at >this point since he'd say an engine has to run to get hot...........) > >Could be good on the trucks - wheels, axles, supports, etc. Or items not >exposed to heat close to 400 degrees or more then. >Yeah, 400 is what the oven is supposed to be set for with what I have, >powders from eastwood. > >Bill > > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 4 13:04:47 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:04:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Listers in Greenville? Message-ID: <445A5E5F.7080407@imc-group.com> Any list members in the Greenville, SC area? Contact me off list please. curt at imc-group.com Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu May 4 14:01:28 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:01:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous References: <20060503130603.ELXO847.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <006d01c66fbd$eaf848c0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> What a Nice engine that is Edd, and sounds beautiful while running, can't wait to see it finished at Manilla . Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous > Edd has been doing some work on his lovely 10hp throttle-governed Famous. > I > will leave it to Edd to fill in the details. > This is how I last saw it a year or so ago: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/03083015.JPG > > This is it now: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100001.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100002.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100003.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100004.JPG > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu May 4 14:03:02 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:03:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous References: <20060503130603.ELXO847.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <007001c66fbe$22bf2760$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Thanks for the Photo's Patrick. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous > Edd has been doing some work on his lovely 10hp throttle-governed Famous. > I > will leave it to Edd to fill in the details. > This is how I last saw it a year or so ago: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/03083015.JPG > > This is it now: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100001.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100002.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100003.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100004.JPG > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 4 14:06:36 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:06:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils Message-ID: <269.98865ab.318bc6dc@aol.com> In a message dated 5/4/2006 7:08:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes: << The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. >> Would you like an up close photo of my 250# to think on? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu May 4 15:07:01 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:07:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous References: <046c01c66f8b$5a48de20$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <002d01c66fc7$12da28a0$e684dccb@oemcomputer> Tis what turns you no.Both ways have there place.A prober restoration using all correct parts, correct colour etc gives future restores a benchmark to work .The same again without the paint job is also very desirable especially if there is some original finish still on the engine.Some shows here give trophies.I have won many for my highly restored Galloway and also my Ottawa.I have won many for my New Holland and now my Foos which are unpainted.Especially the New Holland ,it has most of its paint.So it is all in the eye of the beholder. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 12:59 Subject: RE: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous > > Hi Dwight.It's your engine so make it > >the way you like it.I have done both. > > Hey Edd, > My friend Jack is a "paint it up" sort of guy. He was > always of the opinion that Kelley and I should paint our > Ericsson, which we think looks nice with remnants of black > paint. He'd say, "Rob, why don't you paint that engine? It > looks like a bloody funeral procession!" Then I'd say, > "Jack, why don't you scrape that paint off your engine? It > looks like a bloody circus clown!" Then we'd laugh, sit > back and watch the tourists some more. > > Life is good. > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu May 4 15:56:03 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:56:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Quirindi Message-ID: <000701c66fcd$ec03f920$e684dccb@oemcomputer> All loaded and ready to go.I am of to Quirindi for there annual rally.Will take some pics and give them to Patrick to put up when I get back. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From falcon at telenet.net Thu May 4 17:46:47 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:46:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net><04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <2686.165.206.180.19.1146746246.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <001b01c66f8e$3d5bbfa0$9f1117d1@net.telenet.net><3172.165.206.180.19.1146763621.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <445A42FC.9020807@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00ba01c66fdd$64246480$5b5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Your neighbor is partly correct. Usually you have to get it a bit warmer than the cure temp to get it to reflow. I used to enjoy doing powder demos when client companies would want something different. We did candy colors, metallic, base clear types, even did things with swirled powders. The current item coming out is a process to put a wood like finish on using powder, when finished the part looks like it is made of wood, even has graining. We did some flame spraying and nylon coating as well. Nylon is fun to do. It cures at about 650 degrees. You need to use a flow primer on the part then preheat the part and coat it while hot, then bake it until it flows out then cool it quick. Since we only did small parts we used a batch oven. I used to get to play with that stuff. Still have the scar from a part falling onto my arm when a rack failed. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic > Bill, > I've powder coated flat belt pulleys and cart wheels on several engines. > I have a neighbor in the light pole business so I get the "good neighbor > discount" (free). Powder coat is some tough stuff. It is a bear to blast > back off! So if you want an excellent, tough finish go for it. > Aside from exhaust manifolds, if you have old engine parts approaching > 400?F you got bigger problems than worrying about charred powdercoat! > My neighbor tells me that if the powdercoat get scuffed all you have to > do is reheat that part to the flow temperature and the finish is > restored to the original high gloss. That's a neat feature. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > >WOW, Steve - that is something I guess I'd not given thought to - the heat. > >DUH. Man, I hate it when I miss something so obvious. > > > >OK, then perhaps on parts that won't get hot (Dave would say a Maytag at > >this point since he'd say an engine has to run to get hot...........) > > > >Could be good on the trucks - wheels, axles, supports, etc. Or items not > >exposed to heat close to 400 degrees or more then. > >Yeah, 400 is what the oven is supposed to be set for with what I have, > >powders from eastwood. > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu May 4 18:49:14 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 21:49:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr. Message-ID: <009701c66fe6$1e028280$53b6f504@Ed> I inquired about a 50 year old Planet Jr. frame with good tires on it and the man who has it says that the cycle bar and reel mowers for it are in his basement. Anybody interested in it get with me off line. edstoller at earthlink dot net Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ From oiseming at moscow.com Thu May 4 19:28:22 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:28:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic In-Reply-To: <2686.165.206.180.19.1146746246.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <200605050229.k452SatG063591@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:37 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic I got a good used powdercoating setup, and have a good used oven in the garage. Was going to use it for a few car parts - like suspension part and so on, then got to thinking, what about the small engines, like the Maytag, B&S, etc - anyone ever powdercoated any engines or parts? I could do anything that would fit into a standard 30" oven (of course they aren't 30" on the INSIDE!) Smaller flywheels are a good example, or fuel tanks because gas doesn't seem to be hard on the powder like it is many paints. Has anyone else used powdercoating, what are their thought or opinions, and specifically how it might relate to our toys - specifically, engines. Bill Runnells, IA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ An acquaintance of mine powder coated an entire engine. It looked sharp. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From rotigel at alltel.net Thu May 4 21:06:33 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 00:06:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? In-Reply-To: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060505000354.040cb158@mail.alltel.net> At 06:29 AM 5/4/2006, you wrote: >Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a brown >onion.Put these in your blender >and......................................oh shit I forgot this is an >engine and machinery list please forgive me! >Peter Ogborne Hi Peter, Had a bit too much of the grape again, have you mate? Oh well, you should be feeling a bit better by now. Dave From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu May 4 16:24:37 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:24:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <009001c66f7c$297e2ac0$c01117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> Looking at the page in your link I personally like the peter wright and hay budden designs. Someone else has already asked me about making the cones but I cannot remember who. I can also make the hardie tools someday. We have a logo which used to be the William Tod Company's logo. Its on our sign in front of the property. http://community.webshots.com/photo/453467954/1453484357033749120aGCDLF I was thinking of putting that logo with "Tod Engine Works Youngstown, Ohio" on one side and the weight and casting date on the other. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > Tom has a good pattern you could copy... The picture he linked has a > pretty good line-up of different designs. > > Basically it needs to be stable and have the steel under the areas that > you use for working the steel. While the Nimba is an UGLY looking anvil > it is a great working piece. Then at the other end of the spectrum are > the newer farriers anvils, they don't have enough iron in the heel or > horn to be used effectively as a heavy anvil. Then if you toss in the > old Japanese designs (simple block shapes) or some of the German or > Greek armorers anvils (they had cast in curves and divots to form arm > and leg armor) easier, it gets a bit confusing. > > Personally I like either the Peddinghaus style or the Vaughn/Brooks. The > old Mouse Hole anvils are good workers but that short horn means you > need to have a few stake anvils to form smaller items (which isn't a bad > thing) You might consider making a few accessories as well. Things like > forming cones and stakes and hardie tools are getting very hard to find > because of all the folks "collecting" them. > > http://www.blackiron.us/anvil-types.html shows many of the styles. > > Now for the 100 dollar question, What will you be using for your > trademark on the anvil? Maybe a cast in image of the Tod? > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:00 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > >> It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need > for a >> moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now > they >> will become collectors items. >> >> The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone > have >> any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know > anything >> about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in > it. >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Tod Engine Works >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron >> and nonferrous castings >> 249 North Water Avenue >> Sharon, PA 16146 >> 330-728-2799 >> Fax 330-759-1524 >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve W." >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils >> >> >> > If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of >> > them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. >> > >> > Steve Williams >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils >> > >> > >> >> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel >> > anvils, >> >> however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many >> > hobbyist >> >> blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even > if >> > it is a >> >> beautiful piece? >> >> >> >> http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ >> >> >> >> According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and > heat >> >> treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat >> > treater >> >> will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could > probably >> > sell a >> >> comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil > would >> > have >> >> the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our >> > 1880s >> >> Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. >> >> >> >> I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I > can't >> > pour >> >> these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a >> > 300 >> >> pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. >> >> >> >> Rick Rowlands >> >> Tod Engine Works >> >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron >> >> and nonferrous castings >> >> 249 North Water Avenue >> >> Sharon, PA 16146 >> >> 330-728-2799 >> >> Fax 330-759-1524 >> >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Steve W." >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >> > generation >> >> along. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon >> >> > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated > evenly >> > so >> >> > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and >> > how >> >> > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good >> > steel >> >> > anvil made in the US. >> >> > >> >> > Steve Williams >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" >> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >> > generation >> >> > along. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I > get >> > the >> >> >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. >> >> >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Steve W." >> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >> >> > generation >> >> >> along. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor > Freight >> > and >> >> > buy >> >> >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have > two >> > of >> >> > them >> >> >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the >> > face. >> >> > I >> >> >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" > items >> > for >> >> >> > other folks. >> >> >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Steve Williams >> >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed >> >> >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, >> >> >> > he'd have become a vegan. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> > From: "Curt" >> >> >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL >> > (Oldengine.org)" >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM >> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >> > generation >> >> >> > along. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this > is a >> >> > show >> >> >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the >> > blacksmith >> >> >> > there. >> >> >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung >> >> > around >> >> >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow > has >> > let >> >> >> > him >> >> >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong >> > interest >> >> > in >> >> >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. >> >> >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may > recall >> >> > Devin >> >> >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now > a >> >> >> > teenager) >> >> >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was > missing >> > all >> >> > the >> >> >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand >> > alone >> >> >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the > temporary >> >> > hose >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. >> > Missy >> >> > and >> >> >> > I >> >> >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and >> > enjoyed >> >> > the >> >> >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and >> > they >> >> > are >> >> >> > here: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > ils.html> >> >> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on > the >> >> >> > lookout >> >> >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a > little >> > area >> >> > in >> >> >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely >> > needs >> >> > to >> >> >> > be >> >> >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot > up >> > the >> >> >> > side >> >> >> >> of the house! >> >> >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest > in >> >> > this >> >> >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something >> >> > productive >> >> >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all > the >> >> > other >> >> >> >> temptations available to them at this age. >> >> >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you >> > enjoy >> >> >> > them. >> >> >> >> Curt & Missy Holland >> >> >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu May 4 16:14:11 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:14:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <269.98865ab.318bc6dc@aol.com> Message-ID: <002401c66fd0$74a2b9e0$bd161941@pengy> Yes! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > In a message dated 5/4/2006 7:08:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes: > > << The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. >> > > Would you like an up close photo of my 250# to think on? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brianne at ultratune.com.au Fri May 5 01:14:04 2006 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:14:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old tool Message-ID: <00bf01c6701b$e0efaef0$d5c4dccb@brian> Hi Folks I know it is not strictly speaking related to engines, but thought someone may be able to help identify an old hand tool we have. It appears to be some kind of hand plane or scraper. Excelsior No5. Picture can be viewed on our site at http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html Once on the site, click on Events and then Excelsior down the bottom. Any help appreciated. Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness. 07-4124 6526 WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri May 5 01:43:33 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:43:33 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Old tool In-Reply-To: <00bf01c6701b$e0efaef0$d5c4dccb@brian> Message-ID: <20060505084322.TJLZ847.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Brian, I have something similar here. I was told it is a tool for setting the teeth on a drag-saw. The tool I have came with a drag-saw I used to have. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Folks I know it is not strictly speaking related to engines, but thought someone may be able to help identify an old hand tool we have. It appears to be some kind of hand plane or scraper. Excelsior No5. Picture can be viewed on our site at http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html Once on the site, click on Events and then Excelsior down the bottom. Any help appreciated. Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness. 07-4124 6526 WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html _______________________________________________ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri May 5 02:37:50 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:37:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> <6.1.2.0.0.20060505000354.040cb158@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000701c67027$978662c0$8b0d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hey ,your loosing your touch old fella! You can do better than that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? > At 06:29 AM 5/4/2006, you wrote: >>Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a brown >>onion.Put these in your blender >>and......................................oh shit I forgot this is an >>engine and machinery list please forgive me! >>Peter Ogborne > > Hi Peter, Had a bit too much of the grape again, have you mate? Oh well, > you should be feeling a bit better by now. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From russell at ncable.com.au Fri May 5 03:55:11 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 20:55:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <001f01c66b77$d0939150$e7fb30cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with how a hot tube engine works but .... don't they require a constant lamp to run??? I guess one would just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil engines can maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp when running. Russell At 06:29 PM 29/04/2006 +0800, you wrote: >Interesting subject Russell.......would the same problem arise with a >three valve engine ? I ask because I have an engine ,make unknown . A lot >of the essential bits were missing such as the fuel system . As I have >nothing to copy I have to '' invent'' the system . It is a Hot Tube engine >with a pecker operating the fuel or vapour valve and the fuel oil supply >would be constant. One thing that worries me is the fact that the governor >is belt driven so there will be no leaving the engine unattended! >----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:28 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines > > >> >>>One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >>>the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of >>>the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >>>off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is >>>heart-stopping. >> >>Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with >>the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of >>this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even >>been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my >>engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot >>bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It >>made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first >>made a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these >>old girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up >>and with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went >>as one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old >>girl down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had >>to save the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a >>friend with me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up >>big time!) we pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will >>run out quick enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was >>to hot to remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold >>the valve shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a >>decent hold onto the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was >>on our side as we managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve >>started to crush a little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve >>better and it slowed down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away >>the stained undies. Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left >>the engine alone for a little while. I think all this happened about the >>time on the SEL we were chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 >>years ago. Well I can smile about it now and talk about my 1000rpm >>blacky. From all this I guess could come a question for any oil engine >>gurus as to how would they (if there is an easy way) shut down a hot bulb >>engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if they ran away like that. >> >>Russell >> >> >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Fri May 5 03:55:11 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 20:55:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <001f01c66b77$d0939150$e7fb30cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with how a hot tube engine works but .... don't they require a constant lamp to run??? I guess one would just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil engines can maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp when running. Russell At 06:29 PM 29/04/2006 +0800, you wrote: >Interesting subject Russell.......would the same problem arise with a >three valve engine ? I ask because I have an engine ,make unknown . A lot >of the essential bits were missing such as the fuel system . As I have >nothing to copy I have to '' invent'' the system . It is a Hot Tube engine >with a pecker operating the fuel or vapour valve and the fuel oil supply >would be constant. One thing that worries me is the fact that the governor >is belt driven so there will be no leaving the engine unattended! >----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:28 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines > > >> >>>One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >>>the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of >>>the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >>>off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is >>>heart-stopping. >> >>Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with >>the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of >>this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even >>been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my >>engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot >>bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It >>made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first >>made a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these >>old girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up >>and with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went >>as one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old >>girl down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had >>to save the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a >>friend with me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up >>big time!) we pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will >>run out quick enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was >>to hot to remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold >>the valve shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a >>decent hold onto the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was >>on our side as we managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve >>started to crush a little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve >>better and it slowed down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away >>the stained undies. Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left >>the engine alone for a little while. I think all this happened about the >>time on the SEL we were chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 >>years ago. Well I can smile about it now and talk about my 1000rpm >>blacky. From all this I guess could come a question for any oil engine >>gurus as to how would they (if there is an easy way) shut down a hot bulb >>engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if they ran away like that. >> >>Russell >> >> >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu May 4 16:15:04 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:15:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <4459EC91.60502@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002e01c66fd0$93fe38f0$bd161941@pengy> Since you are making the pattern you can put a pocket in there if you wish. :-) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > Rick, > I was wondering if a small pocket should be built in to the base to more > easily hold the blackpowder charge for the inevitable anvil launching :-) > Curt > > Rick Rowlands wrote: > >> It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need for >> a moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now >> they will become collectors items. >> >> The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone have >> any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know anything >> about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in it. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri May 5 03:58:37 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:58:37 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Flaming Message-ID: <001d01c67032$e0460a00$8b0d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Helen , was it a rap on the knuckles or was it a flame ? OK,I don't have a problem with either. . All I did was respond to the increase of OT subjects ,yes I know there is the delete key ,but sometimes we do like to punish ourselves and read some of the bullshit that comes along. You may recall recently some poor bastard included in his postings reference to his religious beliefs. His fundamentalist references to the bible evoked quite a belligerent and insulting response from some members, .......were they Flamed? This individual was harmless ,did not insult anyone but did he cop it for stating his beliefs and that was only what was on the list. He has now unsubscribed, he did and would have, I am sure had further engine related comments to contribute but now we have lost him. I don't give a damm what his beliefs were but he did not get a fair go. His replies to critics were quite predictable and those of a zealot but they did not warrant the abuse he received However, expected as they were, some of the responses to my comments were light hearted so I wont go away and sulk. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From russell at ncable.com.au Fri May 5 03:58:39 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 20:58:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <001c01c66b8e$c8df6710$6500a8c0@PREFERREB23498> References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074839.021b6ec8@mail.ncable.com.au> Don it's kinda impossible to flood the engine. There is always a well of fuel waiting to be suck into the vaporizer with the overflow returning to the tank. I recon if you sprayed wd40 it would enjoy burning that as well. At 09:14 AM 29/04/2006 -0400, you wrote: >I dont have a engine like that but I am guessing you could flood the >engine with tooo much fuel and choke it to death with a over rich mixture >of gas as could you spray wd 40 or something like that in the intack >vaulve area ???? >don >----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:28 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines > > >> >>>One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >>>the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of >>>the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >>>off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is >>>heart-stopping. >> >>Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with >>the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of >>this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even >>been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my >>engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot >>bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It >>made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first >>made a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these >>old girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up >>and with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went >>as one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old >>girl down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had >>to save the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a >>friend with me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up >>big time!) we pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will >>run out quick enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was >>to hot to remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold >>the valve shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a >>decent hold onto the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was >>on our side as we managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve >>started to crush a little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve >>better and it slowed down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away >>the stained undies. Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left >>the engine alone for a little while. I think all this happened about the >>time on the SEL we were chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 >>years ago. Well I can smile about it now and talk about my 1000rpm >>blacky. From all this I guess could come a question for any oil engine >>gurus as to how would they (if there is an easy way) shut down a hot bulb >>engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if they ran away like that. >> >>Russell >> >> >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri May 5 04:06:30 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 21:06:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3><6.1.2.0.0.20060505000354.040cb158@mail.alltel.net> <000701c67027$978662c0$8b0d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <008f01c67033$f78eed20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hey Peter. I do a bit of cooking. What is the finish to this recipe. Sounds interesting. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? > Hey ,your loosing your touch old fella! You can do better than that. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 12:06 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? > > > > At 06:29 AM 5/4/2006, you wrote: > >>Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a brown > >>onion.Put these in your blender > >>and......................................oh shit I forgot this is an > >>engine and machinery list please forgive me! > >>Peter Ogborne > > > > Hi Peter, Had a bit too much of the grape again, have you mate? Oh well, > > you should be feeling a bit better by now. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu May 4 23:47:00 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 02:47:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <4459EC91.60502@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <016401c6700f$b66d13e0$bd161941@pengy> I've done a bit of research on anvils and there are about three or four anvil makers on the web. Only one makes forged anvils but apparently they have been discontinued and two of the makers is in the US. All of the makers offer anvils in various sizes. I don't think it would be wise to go through the effort and expense of a series of patterns for anvils until it is known that there is indeed a market for what I would produce. We will just have to see how successful our first offering is. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > Rick, > I was wondering if a small pocket should be built in to the base to more > easily hold the blackpowder charge for the inevitable anvil launching :-) > Curt > > Rick Rowlands wrote: > >> It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need for >> a moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now >> they will become collectors items. >> >> The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone have >> any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know anything >> about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in it. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri May 5 04:09:40 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <009001c66f7c$297e2ac0$c01117d1@net.telenet.net> <004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: Hi Rick, Take a look at a blacksmithing reference. Anvils came in unusual (for today) weights with a marking code to designate the weight. It might be neat to keep that concept as opposed to a "round number" weight like 250# See ya, Arnie On Thu, 4 May 2006, Rick Rowlands wrote: > Looking at the page in your link I personally like the peter wright and hay > budden designs. Someone else has already asked me about making the cones > but I cannot remember who. I can also make the hardie tools someday. > > We have a logo which used to be the William Tod Company's logo. Its on our > sign in front of the property. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/453467954/1453484357033749120aGCDLF > > I was thinking of putting that logo with "Tod Engine Works Youngstown, Ohio" > on one side and the weight and casting date on the other. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri May 5 04:26:52 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: G'day Russell, With hot tube oil field engines (two stroke), they can run for several minutes quite happily after the hot tube burner goes out. In terms of a "quick" shutoff, you'd do better to quench the tube with a cold beer. 8-)) Or just turn the gas off, or ... See ya, Arnie On Fri, 5 May 2006, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with how a hot tube > engine works but .... don't they require a constant lamp to run??? I guess > one would just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil engines can > maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp when running. From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri May 5 05:06:11 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:06:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Flaming In-Reply-To: <001d01c67032$e0460a00$8b0d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001d01c67032$e0460a00$8b0d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <445B3FB3.2080501@insulate.co.uk> Hi Peter I took it OFF LIST because I was trying to point out that your complaints about off-topic postings were resulting in more bandwidth-wasting that the posts you were originally complaining about. You can call it flaming if you like, although I do try to be polite, but what I was TRYING to point out was that if you don't like off-topic, then don't contribute to it! Dolly peter ogborne wrote: > Helen , was it a rap on the knuckles or was it a flame ? OK,I don't > have a > problem with either. -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri May 5 05:18:18 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:18:18 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous In-Reply-To: <002d01c66fc7$12da28a0$e684dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060505121806.JKDU14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I agree with you Edd. Whatever you wish to do with your engine is fine (except maybe painting it bright pink). I tend to lean to a full restoration with a good finish (tough not overdoing it). I was going to paint my big Stover YC but I am getting used to it in its working clothes. All the R&Vs will get a good paint job eventually as R&Vs were very well finished from the factory. To each is own. If we all liked the same thing it would be a boring hobby ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Tis what turns you no.Both ways have there place.A prober restoration using all correct parts, correct colour etc gives future restores a benchmark to work .The same again without the paint job is also very desirable especially if there is some original finish still on the engine.Some shows here give trophies.I have won many for my highly restored Galloway and also my Ottawa.I have won many for my New Holland and now my Foos which are unpainted.Especially the New Holland ,it has most of its paint.So it is all in the eye of the beholder. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri May 5 05:24:17 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Was: Edd's 10hp Famous / Now: Edd's Shed In-Reply-To: <20060505121806.JKDU14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060505121806.JKDU14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: G'day Edd, While looking at the pics of your lovely 10hp Famous I noticed what looks like a pretty neat engine storage system along the walls of your shed. Is this a home-build system or some sort of store-bought rack affair? Do you have a fork lift or some other system to get engines into the upper levels? Any info you could share would be appreciated. I'm currently struggling with a floor space limitation in my shed and would HATE to be forced to stop buying engines for lack of space. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 5 08:49:57 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:49:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old tool In-Reply-To: <00bf01c6701b$e0efaef0$d5c4dccb@brian> Message-ID: <05b601c6705b$907bb8c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > It appears to be some kind of hand plane or scraper. Excelsior No5. > Picture can be viewed on our site at > http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html > Once on the site, click on Events and then Excelsior down the bottom. > Any help appreciated. Hi Brian, It's a tool for working on saws. Atkins made saws in the early days. Sorry, I don't know how to use the tool. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 5 08:59:34 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:59:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <05bd01c6705c$e89419c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with >how a hot tube engine works but .... don't they >require a constant lamp to run??? I guess one would >just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil >engines can maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp >when running. Hi Russell, Vaporising oil engines are entirely different than engines that utilize hot tube ignition. Apples. Oranges. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 5 09:03:17 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:03:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Edd's Shed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <05be01c6705d$6dd2aa70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Any info you could share would be appreciated. > I'm currently struggling with a floor space > limitation in my shed and would HATE to be > forced to stop buying engines for lack of > space. Engines GOTO shed WifeCar GOTO driveway From falcon at telenet.net Fri May 5 11:02:31 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:02:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old tool References: <05b601c6705b$907bb8c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <001701c6706e$14e67980$6a1117d1@net.telenet.net> Title #2: "Atkins Excelsior Saw Tool No. 5". C. 1916. Instruction sheet for the use of the Atkins No.5 Excelsior Saw Tool, a combined cross cut saw Jointer, Raker Tooth Gauge and Side File. Includes instructions for use of Setting Block and Set Gauge. Text illustrated with steelplate engravings. 5.25" x 13.75" single page reproduced on yellow paper as in the original. Price: $4.00 Gary Roberts , Boston, MA http://members.tripod.com/sawtool/Publications/SawSetPublications.htm Found these online. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Old tool > > > It appears to be some kind of hand plane or scraper. > Excelsior No5. > > Picture can be viewed on our site at > > http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html > > Once on the site, click on Events and then Excelsior down > the bottom. > > Any help appreciated. > > Hi Brian, > It's a tool for working on saws. Atkins made saws in the > early days. Sorry, I don't know how to use the tool. > > Rob > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Fri May 5 14:48:36 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 07:48:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Edd's Shed In-Reply-To: <05be01c6705d$6dd2aa70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060506074259.00bd56f8@mail.ncable.com.au> Good morning folks. I'm sure Edd will reply but I have to say he's shed is pretty neat. When standing in Edds shed you feel like everything is right at your fingurtips. Other large collections can often be real spread out and often get cluttered. If you are the type who is truely suffering from terminal engine disease then a 5 minute stand in Edd's shed will kill you. wurst than any kids experience of standing in a lollie shop and not knowing what to take first. A credit to a true collector. Russell At 09:03 AM 5/05/2006 -0700, you wrote: > > Any info you could share would be appreciated. > > I'm currently struggling with a floor space > > limitation in my shed and would HATE to be > > forced to stop buying engines for lack of > > space. > > >Engines GOTO shed >WifeCar GOTO driveway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Fri May 5 14:53:22 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 07:53:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <05bd01c6705c$e89419c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060506075113.00be9048@mail.ncable.com.au> Are all hot tube engines constant lamp??? I believe the lamp or flame itself is the source of ignition??? Is this correct? or are there various kinds of hot tube engines? russell At 08:59 AM 5/05/2006 -0700, you wrote: > >Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with > >how a hot tube engine works but .... don't they > >require a constant lamp to run??? I guess one would > >just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil > >engines can maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp > >when running. > >Hi Russell, >Vaporising oil engines are entirely different >than engines that utilize hot tube ignition. >Apples. Oranges. > >=-=-=-=-=-= >Rob Skinner >La Habra, California >mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com >http://www.rustyiron.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Fri May 5 15:33:48 2006 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:33:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20060506075113.00be9048@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Russell, The hot tube engines use a constant flame. It heats an area on a tube coming out of the engine head to red hot temperatures. On the compression stroke it pushes the fresh air/fuel mixture up the tube and when it hits the red spot it ignites. Here's a picture of the one I recently built for my Field-Brundage engine, it uses a 1/8" tube about 8" long- http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/otherpr.html Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Sat, 6 May 2006, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Are all hot tube engines constant lamp??? I believe the lamp or flame > itself is the source of ignition??? Is this correct? or are there various > kinds of hot tube engines? > russell > > > At 08:59 AM 5/05/2006 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with > > >how a hot tube engine works but .... don't they > > >require a constant lamp to run??? I guess one would > > >just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil > > >engines can maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp > > >when running. > > > >Hi Russell, > >Vaporising oil engines are entirely different > >than engines that utilize hot tube ignition. > >Apples. Oranges. > > > >=-=-=-=-=-= > >Rob Skinner > >La Habra, California > >mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > >http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri May 5 16:01:42 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 18:01:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <009001c66f7c$297e2ac0$c01117d1@net.telenet.net> <004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060505175335.0209b5b0@herculesengines.com> Rick That was me asking you abut the cone. I've been thinking about how to make the patterns. It will require your higher capacity furnace. Keith www.herculesengines.com At 06:24 PM 5/4/2006, you wrote: >Looking at the page in your link I personally like the peter wright >and hay budden designs. Someone else has already asked me about >making the cones but I cannot remember who. I can also make the >hardie tools someday. > >We have a logo which used to be the William Tod Company's logo. Its >on our sign in front of the property. > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/453467954/1453484357033749120aGCDLF > >I was thinking of putting that logo with "Tod Engine Works >Youngstown, Ohio" on one side and the weight and casting date on the other. > >Rick > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:10 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > >>Tom has a good pattern you could copy... The picture he linked has a >>pretty good line-up of different designs. >> >>Basically it needs to be stable and have the steel under the areas that >>you use for working the steel. While the Nimba is an UGLY looking anvil >>it is a great working piece. Then at the other end of the spectrum are >>the newer farriers anvils, they don't have enough iron in the heel or >>horn to be used effectively as a heavy anvil. Then if you toss in the >>old Japanese designs (simple block shapes) or some of the German or >>Greek armorers anvils (they had cast in curves and divots to form arm >>and leg armor) easier, it gets a bit confusing. >> >>Personally I like either the Peddinghaus style or the Vaughn/Brooks. The >>old Mouse Hole anvils are good workers but that short horn means you >>need to have a few stake anvils to form smaller items (which isn't a bad >>thing) You might consider making a few accessories as well. Things like >>forming cones and stakes and hardie tools are getting very hard to find >>because of all the folks "collecting" them. >> >>http://www.blackiron.us/anvil-types.html shows many of the styles. >> >>Now for the 100 dollar question, What will you be using for your >>trademark on the anvil? Maybe a cast in image of the Tod? >> >>Steve Williams >>Near Cooperstown, New York >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:00 AM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils >> >> >>>It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need >>for a >>>moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now >>they >>>will become collectors items. >>> >>>The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone >>have >>>any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know >>anything >>>about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in >>it. >>> >>>Rick Rowlands >>>Tod Engine Works >>>Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron >>>and nonferrous castings >>>249 North Water Avenue >>>Sharon, PA 16146 >>>330-728-2799 >>>Fax 330-759-1524 >>>www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:03 PM >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils >>> >>> >>> > If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of >>> > them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. >>> > >>> > Steve Williams >>> > Near Cooperstown, New York >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" >>> >>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils >>> > >>> > >>> >> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel >>> > anvils, >>> >> however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many >>> > hobbyist >>> >> blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even >>if >>> > it is a >>> >> beautiful piece? >>> >> >>> >> http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ >>> >> >>> >> According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and >>heat >>> >> treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat >>> > treater >>> >> will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could >>probably >>> > sell a >>> >> comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil >>would >>> > have >>> >> the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our >>> > 1880s >>> >> Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. >>> >> >>> >> I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I >>can't >>> > pour >>> >> these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a >>> > 300 >>> >> pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. >>> >> >>> >> Rick Rowlands >>> >> Tod Engine Works >>> >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron >>> >> and nonferrous castings >>> >> 249 North Water Avenue >>> >> Sharon, PA 16146 >>> >> 330-728-2799 >>> >> Fax 330-759-1524 >>> >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve W." >>> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM >>> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >>> > generation >>> >> along. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon >>> >> > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated >>evenly >>> > so >>> >> > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and >>> > how >>> >> > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good >>> > steel >>> >> > anvil made in the US. >>> >> > >>> >> > Steve Williams >>> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" >>> >>> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> > >>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM >>> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >>> > generation >>> >> > along. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I >>get >>> > the >>> >> >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Rick >>> >> >> >>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Steve W." >>> >>> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> > >>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM >>> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >>> >> > generation >>> >> >> along. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor >>Freight >>> > and >>> >> > buy >>> >> >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have >>two >>> > of >>> >> > them >>> >> >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the >>> > face. >>> >> > I >>> >> >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" >>items >>> > for >>> >> >> > other folks. >>> >> >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Steve Williams >>> >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed >>> >> >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, >>> >> >> > he'd have become a vegan. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Curt" >>> >>> >> >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL >>> > (Oldengine.org)" >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM >>> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >>> > generation >>> >> >> > along. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this >>is a >>> >> > show >>> >> >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the >>> > blacksmith >>> >> >> > there. >>> >> >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung >>> >> > around >>> >> >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow >>has >>> > let >>> >> >> > him >>> >> >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong >>> > interest >>> >> > in >>> >> >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. >>> >> >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may >>recall >>> >> > Devin >>> >> >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now >>a >>> >> >> > teenager) >>> >> >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was >>missing >>> > all >>> >> > the >>> >> >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand >>> > alone >>> >> >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the >>temporary >>> >> > hose >>> >> >> > to >>> >> >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. >>> > Missy >>> >> > and >>> >> >> > I >>> >> >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and >>> > enjoyed >>> >> > the >>> >> >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and >>> > they >>> >> > are >>> >> >> > here: >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> >> >> > ils.html> >>> >> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on >>the >>> >> >> > lookout >>> >> >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a >>little >>> > area >>> >> > in >>> >> >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely >>> > needs >>> >> > to >>> >> >> > be >>> >> >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot >>up >>> > the >>> >> >> > side >>> >> >> >> of the house! >>> >> >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest >>in >>> >> > this >>> >> >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something >>> >> > productive >>> >> >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all >>the >>> >> > other >>> >> >> >> temptations available to them at this age. >>> >> >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you >>> > enjoy >>> >> >> > them. >>> >> >> >> Curt & Missy Holland >>> >> >> >> Gastonia, NC >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >> SEL mailing list >>> >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> > SEL mailing list >>> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> SEL mailing list >>> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > SEL mailing list >>> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> SEL mailing list >>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From weolson at wiktel.com Fri May 5 16:29:25 2006 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 18:29:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old tool In-Reply-To: <00bf01c6701b$e0efaef0$d5c4dccb@brian> References: <00bf01c6701b$e0efaef0$d5c4dccb@brian> Message-ID: <445BDFD5.9050109@wiktel.com> The tool is used to file the raker teeth of a crosscut saw. You would set the tool on the saw with the raker tooth extending through the hole in the center depressed section. The screw on the bottom is then adjusted to the proper height to file the raker so that it is just below the height of the cutting teeth (('m not sure of the amount, perhaps 1/64 or 1/32 of an inch) or whatever setting works for you. Then you would have to file the raker with a cant file just until the flat portion of the raker disappears. Now you have a sharp set of rakers that will rake out the small portion of wood that the chisel teeth have cut the sides on. I hope this helps. William Olson Roosevelt, MN Brian Taylor wrote: >Hi Folks >I know it is not strictly speaking related to engines, but thought someone may be able to help identify an old hand tool we have. >It appears to be some kind of hand plane or scraper. Excelsior No5. >Picture can be viewed on our site at http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html >Once on the site, click on Events and then Excelsior down the bottom. >Any help appreciated. >Brian Taylor >Publicity Officer >Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum >13 Zephyr St. >Scarness. >07-4124 6526 >WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From falcon at telenet.net Fri May 5 19:12:31 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:12:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net><04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy><009001c66f7c$297e2ac0$c01117d1@net.telenet.net><004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> <7.0.1.0.2.20060505175335.0209b5b0@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <003201c670b2$8933c9c0$135c14d0@net.telenet.net> Keith, Cone patterns are ready made. Just grab a large traffic cone. Want a larger one? Take two(or more) of the cones and graft them together. To make it solid enough to ram sand against it Take a piece of stove pipe and shoot some of the expanding foam around it. That will stiffen the cone and make it light enough to move easily. To make a core use the same method. Don't make the cone solid, most of them are about 3" walls unless they are the smaller ones. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > Rick > That was me asking you abut the cone. I've been thinking about how > to make the patterns. It will require your higher capacity furnace. > Keith > www.herculesengines.com > > > At 06:24 PM 5/4/2006, you wrote: > >Looking at the page in your link I personally like the peter wright > >and hay budden designs. Someone else has already asked me about > >making the cones but I cannot remember who. I can also make the > >hardie tools someday. > > > >We have a logo which used to be the William Tod Company's logo. Its > >on our sign in front of the property. > > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/453467954/1453484357033749120aGCDLF > > > >I was thinking of putting that logo with "Tod Engine Works > >Youngstown, Ohio" on one side and the weight and casting date on the other. > > > >Rick > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:10 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > > > > >>Tom has a good pattern you could copy... The picture he linked has a > >>pretty good line-up of different designs. > >> > >>Basically it needs to be stable and have the steel under the areas that > >>you use for working the steel. While the Nimba is an UGLY looking anvil > >>it is a great working piece. Then at the other end of the spectrum are > >>the newer farriers anvils, they don't have enough iron in the heel or > >>horn to be used effectively as a heavy anvil. Then if you toss in the > >>old Japanese designs (simple block shapes) or some of the German or > >>Greek armorers anvils (they had cast in curves and divots to form arm > >>and leg armor) easier, it gets a bit confusing. > >> > >>Personally I like either the Peddinghaus style or the Vaughn/Brooks. The > >>old Mouse Hole anvils are good workers but that short horn means you > >>need to have a few stake anvils to form smaller items (which isn't a bad > >>thing) You might consider making a few accessories as well. Things like > >>forming cones and stakes and hardie tools are getting very hard to find > >>because of all the folks "collecting" them. > >> > >>http://www.blackiron.us/anvil-types.html shows many of the styles. > >> > >>Now for the 100 dollar question, What will you be using for your > >>trademark on the anvil? Maybe a cast in image of the Tod? > >> > >>Steve Williams > >>Near Cooperstown, New York > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" > >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:00 AM > >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > >> > >> > >>>It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need > >>for a > >>>moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now > >>they > >>>will become collectors items. > >>> > >>>The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone > >>have > >>>any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know > >>anything > >>>about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in > >>it. > >>> > >>>Rick Rowlands > >>>Tod Engine Works > >>>Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > >>>and nonferrous castings > >>>249 North Water Avenue > >>>Sharon, PA 16146 > >>>330-728-2799 > >>>Fax 330-759-1524 > >>>www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." > >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:03 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > >>> > >>> > >>> > If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of > >>> > them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. > >>> > > >>> > Steve Williams > >>> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > >>> > >>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM > >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel > >>> > anvils, > >>> >> however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many > >>> > hobbyist > >>> >> blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even > >>if > >>> > it is a > >>> >> beautiful piece? > >>> >> > >>> >> http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ > >>> >> > >>> >> According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and > >>heat > >>> >> treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat > >>> > treater > >>> >> will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could > >>probably > >>> > sell a > >>> >> comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil > >>would > >>> > have > >>> >> the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our > >>> > 1880s > >>> >> Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. > >>> >> > >>> >> I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I > >>can't > >>> > pour > >>> >> these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a > >>> > 300 > >>> >> pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. > >>> >> > >>> >> Rick Rowlands > >>> >> Tod Engine Works > >>> >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > >>> >> and nonferrous castings > >>> >> 249 North Water Avenue > >>> >> Sharon, PA 16146 > >>> >> 330-728-2799 > >>> >> Fax 330-759-1524 > >>> >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve W." > >>> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM > >>> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >>> > generation > >>> >> along. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > >>> >> > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated > >>evenly > >>> > so > >>> >> > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and > >>> > how > >>> >> > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good > >>> > steel > >>> >> > anvil made in the US. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Steve Williams > >>> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" > >>> > >>> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>> > > >>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > >>> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >>> > generation > >>> >> > along. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I > >>get > >>> > the > >>> >> >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Rick > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Steve W." > >>> > >>> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>> > > >>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM > >>> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >>> >> > generation > >>> >> >> along. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor > >>Freight > >>> > and > >>> >> > buy > >>> >> >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have > >>two > >>> > of > >>> >> > them > >>> >> >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the > >>> > face. > >>> >> > I > >>> >> >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" > >>items > >>> > for > >>> >> >> > other folks. > >>> >> >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Steve Williams > >>> >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > >>> >> >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > >>> >> >> > he'd have become a vegan. > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Curt" > >>> > >>> >> >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL > >>> > (Oldengine.org)" > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > >>> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >>> > generation > >>> >> >> > along. > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this > >>is a > >>> >> > show > >>> >> >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the > >>> > blacksmith > >>> >> >> > there. > >>> >> >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > >>> >> > around > >>> >> >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow > >>has > >>> > let > >>> >> >> > him > >>> >> >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong > >>> > interest > >>> >> > in > >>> >> >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. > >>> >> >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may > >>recall > >>> >> > Devin > >>> >> >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now > >>a > >>> >> >> > teenager) > >>> >> >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was > >>missing > >>> > all > >>> >> > the > >>> >> >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand > >>> > alone > >>> >> >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the > >>temporary > >>> >> > hose > >>> >> >> > to > >>> >> >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. > >>> > Missy > >>> >> > and > >>> >> >> > I > >>> >> >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and > >>> > enjoyed > >>> >> > the > >>> >> >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and > >>> > they > >>> >> > are > >>> >> >> > here: > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> > > >>> > >> >> >> > ils.html> > >>> >> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on > >>the > >>> >> >> > lookout > >>> >> >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a > >>little > >>> > area > >>> >> > in > >>> >> >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely > >>> > needs > >>> >> > to > >>> >> >> > be > >>> >> >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot > >>up > >>> > the > >>> >> >> > side > >>> >> >> >> of the house! > >>> >> >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest > >>in > >>> >> > this > >>> >> >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > >>> >> > productive > >>> >> >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all > >>the > >>> >> > other > >>> >> >> >> temptations available to them at this age. > >>> >> >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you > >>> > enjoy > >>> >> >> > them. > >>> >> >> >> Curt & Missy Holland > >>> >> >> >> Gastonia, NC > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >> >> SEL mailing list > >>> >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >> > SEL mailing list > >>> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >> SEL mailing list > >>> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> > SEL mailing list > >>> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> SEL mailing list > >>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > SEL mailing list > >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Fri May 5 19:26:17 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:26:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net><04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy><009001c66f7c$297e2ac0$c01117d1@net.telenet.net> <004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <003e01c670b4$74dcf620$135c14d0@net.telenet.net> The Peter Wrights are nice anvils. Maybe combine the classic design with a thicker heel like the Vaughan/Brooks and you would have a winner. The thicker heel makes it much easier when using hardie tools and heavy iron. Oh and you could make things much nicer if you cast in some strap anchors on the base. Makes it easier to anchor them on a bench. As for the cast surface that isn't a problem since most used ones have to be reshaped or smoothed out. Just make sure the edges are nice and sharp since every smith seems to want them different anyway. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > Looking at the page in your link I personally like the peter wright and hay > budden designs. Someone else has already asked me about making the cones > but I cannot remember who. I can also make the hardie tools someday. > > We have a logo which used to be the William Tod Company's logo. Its on our > sign in front of the property. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/453467954/1453484357033749120aGCDLF > > I was thinking of putting that logo with "Tod Engine Works Youngstown, Ohio" > on one side and the weight and casting date on the other. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve W." > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:10 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > > > Tom has a good pattern you could copy... The picture he linked has a > > pretty good line-up of different designs. > > > > Basically it needs to be stable and have the steel under the areas that > > you use for working the steel. While the Nimba is an UGLY looking anvil > > it is a great working piece. Then at the other end of the spectrum are > > the newer farriers anvils, they don't have enough iron in the heel or > > horn to be used effectively as a heavy anvil. Then if you toss in the > > old Japanese designs (simple block shapes) or some of the German or > > Greek armorers anvils (they had cast in curves and divots to form arm > > and leg armor) easier, it gets a bit confusing. > > > > Personally I like either the Peddinghaus style or the Vaughn/Brooks. The > > old Mouse Hole anvils are good workers but that short horn means you > > need to have a few stake anvils to form smaller items (which isn't a bad > > thing) You might consider making a few accessories as well. Things like > > forming cones and stakes and hardie tools are getting very hard to find > > because of all the folks "collecting" them. > > > > http://www.blackiron.us/anvil-types.html shows many of the styles. > > > > Now for the 100 dollar question, What will you be using for your > > trademark on the anvil? Maybe a cast in image of the Tod? > > > > Steve Williams > > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Rowlands" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > > > > >> It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need > > for a > >> moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now > > they > >> will become collectors items. > >> > >> The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone > > have > >> any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know > > anything > >> about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in > > it. > >> > >> Rick Rowlands > >> Tod Engine Works > >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > >> and nonferrous castings > >> 249 North Water Avenue > >> Sharon, PA 16146 > >> 330-728-2799 > >> Fax 330-759-1524 > >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Steve W." > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:03 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > >> > >> > >> > If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of > >> > them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. > >> > > >> > Steve Williams > >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" > >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > >> > > >> > > >> >> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel > >> > anvils, > >> >> however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many > >> > hobbyist > >> >> blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even > > if > >> > it is a > >> >> beautiful piece? > >> >> > >> >> http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ > >> >> > >> >> According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and > > heat > >> >> treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat > >> > treater > >> >> will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could > > probably > >> > sell a > >> >> comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil > > would > >> > have > >> >> the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our > >> > 1880s > >> >> Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. > >> >> > >> >> I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I > > can't > >> > pour > >> >> these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a > >> > 300 > >> >> pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. > >> >> > >> >> Rick Rowlands > >> >> Tod Engine Works > >> >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > >> >> and nonferrous castings > >> >> 249 North Water Avenue > >> >> Sharon, PA 16146 > >> >> 330-728-2799 > >> >> Fax 330-759-1524 > >> >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Steve W." > >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >> > generation > >> >> along. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > >> >> > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated > > evenly > >> > so > >> >> > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and > >> > how > >> >> > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good > >> > steel > >> >> > anvil made in the US. > >> >> > > >> >> > Steve Williams > >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" > >> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > >> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >> > generation > >> >> > along. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I > > get > >> > the > >> >> >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Rick > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> From: "Steve W." > >> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > > >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >> >> > generation > >> >> >> along. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor > > Freight > >> > and > >> >> > buy > >> >> >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have > > two > >> > of > >> >> > them > >> >> >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the > >> > face. > >> >> > I > >> >> >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" > > items > >> > for > >> >> >> > other folks. > >> >> >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Steve Williams > >> >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > >> >> >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > >> >> >> > he'd have become a vegan. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> > From: "Curt" > >> >> >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL > >> > (Oldengine.org)" > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > >> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >> > generation > >> >> >> > along. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this > > is a > >> >> > show > >> >> >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the > >> > blacksmith > >> >> >> > there. > >> >> >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > >> >> > around > >> >> >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow > > has > >> > let > >> >> >> > him > >> >> >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong > >> > interest > >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. > >> >> >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may > > recall > >> >> > Devin > >> >> >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now > > a > >> >> >> > teenager) > >> >> >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was > > missing > >> > all > >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand > >> > alone > >> >> >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the > > temporary > >> >> > hose > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. > >> > Missy > >> >> > and > >> >> >> > I > >> >> >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and > >> > enjoyed > >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and > >> > they > >> >> > are > >> >> >> > here: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> >> > ils.html> > >> >> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on > > the > >> >> >> > lookout > >> >> >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a > > little > >> > area > >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely > >> > needs > >> >> > to > >> >> >> > be > >> >> >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot > > up > >> > the > >> >> >> > side > >> >> >> >> of the house! > >> >> >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest > > in > >> >> > this > >> >> >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > >> >> > productive > >> >> >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all > > the > >> >> > other > >> >> >> >> temptations available to them at this age. > >> >> >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you > >> > enjoy > >> >> >> > them. > >> >> >> >> Curt & Missy Holland > >> >> >> >> Gastonia, NC > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> > SEL mailing list > >> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > SEL mailing list > >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat May 6 10:19:31 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 10:19:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20060506075113.00be9048@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <067901c67131$3e543500$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Are all hot tube engines constant lamp??? I believe the lamp or flame > itself is the source of ignition??? Is this correct? or are > there various > kinds of hot tube engines? > russell Hi Russell, I can't think of any exceptions, so I'll go out on a limb and say yes, all hot tubes are continuous lamp. Yes, there are various kinds of hot tube engines, but the common denominator is that in all hot tube engines, the fuel and air is mixed on the intake stroke and then compressed into the hot tube for ignition. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat May 6 20:46:54 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 13:46:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer><5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <005f01c67188$e29dc840$b6d0693a@fred> Hi, We have had a Clutterbuck , Blackstone and our Tangyes gallop away at various times, easiest way to stop a runaway is to just hold open exhaust rocker arm, (no compression, no ignition,engine stops.) Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines > Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with how a hot tube > engine works but .... don't they require a constant lamp to run??? I guess > one would just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil engines can > maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp when running. > Russell > > > > > At 06:29 PM 29/04/2006 +0800, you wrote: >>Interesting subject Russell.......would the same problem arise with a >>three valve engine ? I ask because I have an engine ,make unknown . A lot >>of the essential bits were missing such as the fuel system . As I have >>nothing to copy I have to '' invent'' the system . It is a Hot Tube engine >>with a pecker operating the fuel or vapour valve and the fuel oil supply >>would be constant. One thing that worries me is the fact that the governor >>is belt driven so there will be no leaving the engine unattended! >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" >> >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:28 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines >> >> >>> >>>>One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >>>>the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure >>>>of >>>>the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >>>>off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it >>>>is >>>>heart-stopping. >>> >>>Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with >>>the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of >>>this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even >>>been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my >>>engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot >>>bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It >>>made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first >>>made a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these >>>old girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up >>>and with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went >>>as one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old >>>girl down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had >>>to save the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a >>>friend with me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up >>>big time!) we pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will >>>run out quick enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was >>>to hot to remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold >>>the valve shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a >>>decent hold onto the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was >>>on our side as we managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve >>>started to crush a little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve >>>better and it slowed down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away >>>the stained undies. Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left >>>the engine alone for a little while. I think all this happened about the >>>time on the SEL we were chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 >>>years ago. Well I can smile about it now and talk about my 1000rpm >>>blacky. From all this I guess could come a question for any oil engine >>>gurus as to how would they (if there is an easy way) shut down a hot bulb >>>engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if they ran away like that. >>> >>>Russell >>> >>> >>> >>>Russell Gilbert >>>Sunny Sunraysia >>>russell at ncable.com.au >>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/05/2006 > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun May 7 00:45:59 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 17:45:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New Toy, Blackstone Message-ID: <000801c671aa$491dda30$b6d0693a@fred> Hi, We collected another Toy on Sat. a 6,1/2 HP. Blackstone, One family owned since bought new in 1908 photos at .http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From chesnimnus at juno.com Sun May 7 13:42:44 2006 From: chesnimnus at juno.com (chesnimnus at juno.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:42:44 GMT Subject: [SEL] 2006 Great Western Binder Bee Message-ID: <20060507.134321.12721.299719@webmail37.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun May 7 09:32:50 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 12:32:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toy, Blackstone References: <000801c671aa$491dda30$b6d0693a@fred> Message-ID: <000e01c671f3$e2f0a090$536b4b47@mikecomp> What a nice piece of machinery and a great collection. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 3:45 AM Subject: [SEL] New Toy, Blackstone Hi, We collected another Toy on Sat. a 6,1/2 HP. Blackstone, One family owned since bought new in 1908 photos at .http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun May 7 15:36:09 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:36:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3 HP Status Message-ID: <3ea.1b7980e.318fd059@aol.com> Hi List, Well, it happened today. The IHC M came to life after being dead and stuck for many unknown years. You guys are correct. A running M is something to hear. Not everything worked as originally planned. I tried using a barbeque ignitor with an adapter. However, this modified barbeque ignition system wouldn't function properly when the engine was turning. Back to the drawing board for a new design. Since I was interested in getting the engine started quickly, I decided to go with a buzz ignition system. A buzz coil triggering mechanism was built, fitted to the cam, and tested with the buzz coil. I did turn the engine (for about 15 minutes) with an electric motor before applying power to the buzz coil. This action helped get the rings seated. Turning the engine, for this little time, sure helped. You can really feel the compression when turning the flywheel by hand. I originally fabricated the spark plug adapter using dimensions sent to me by other M owner. Needless to say, it didn't fit. I had to machine the outside of the adapter until it would fit the inside of the ignitor hole. I want to thank members of the list that provide me with information. It is great to have people who are willing to share their information and experience. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1147041369 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Not everything worked as originally planned.  I tried usin= g=20 a barbeque ignitor with an adapter.  However, this modified barbeq= ue=20 ignition system wouldn't function properly when the engine was turning. = ;=20 Back to the drawing board for a new design.  Since I was interested in=20 getting the engine started quickly, I decided to go with a buzz ignition=20 system.  A buzz coil triggering mechanism was built, fitted t= o=20 the cam, and tested with the buzz coil.
I did turn the engine (for about 15 minutes) with an electric m= otor=20 before applying power to the buzz coil.  This action helped get the rin= gs=20 seated.  Turning the engine, for this little time, sure helped.  Y= ou=20 can really feel the compression when turning the flywheel by=20 hand.
I originally fabricated the spark plug adapter using=20 dimensions sent to me by other M owner.  Needless to say, it didn't=20 fit.  I had to machine the outside of the adapter until it would fit th= e=20 inside of the ignitor hole.
I want to thank members of the list that provide me w= ith=20 information.  It is great to have people who are willing to share=20 their information and experience.=20
 
Francis=20 Maciel
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 From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun May 7 16:06:14 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 19:06:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Shop Equipment for Sale - Los Angeles Area Message-ID: <2de.7095536.318fd766@aol.com> Hi List, Here is a web site for shop equipment being auctioned in the Los Angeles area. _http://www.publicsurplus.com/IANAuction/ca?ianac=cat&catid=601 _ (http://www.publicsurplus.com/IANAuction/ca?ianac=cat&catid=601) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1147043174 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi List,
Here is a web site for shop equipment being auctioned in the Lo= s=20 Angeles area.
 
http://www.publicsurplus.com/IANAuction/ca?ianac=3Dcat&catid= =3D601=20
 
 
Francis=20 Maciel
Santa Maria, CA
 From ben_frazer at hotmail.com Sun May 7 19:47:19 2006 From: ben_frazer at hotmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 10:47:19 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New address Message-ID: Hi all, I have a new email address where I would like all SEL messages to go. I am not sure if I have re subscribe at that address or not, the address is: frazer.ben at gmail.com Please let e know how to go about it. Thanks, Ben _________________________________________________________________ Find just what you are after with the more precise, more powerful new MSN Search. http://search.msn.com.my/ Try it now. From gremaux at midrivers.com Sun May 7 19:52:52 2006 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:52:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New address References: Message-ID: <00fe01c6724a$85620de0$4ed85940@Frank> I am in the same boat.....my new address and the old one ( gremaux at tein.net ) was on three stationary engine lists at one time but not sure what I am on Frank gremaux at midrivers.com Central Montana http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: [SEL] New address > Hi all, > > I have a new email address where I would like all SEL messages to go. I am > not sure if I have re subscribe at that address or not, the address is: > frazer.ben at gmail.com > > Please let e know how to go about it. > > > Thanks, Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find just what you are after with the more precise, more powerful new MSN > Search. http://search.msn.com.my/ Try it now. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frazer.ben at gmail.com Sun May 7 20:53:13 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:53:13 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Thanks Message-ID: <6f6bb9400605072053k7235f2bp1f0c4e4976f4b972@mail.gmail.com> Thanks everyone, all set now. Ben From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon May 8 04:09:54 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 11:09:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris Message-ID: <050820061109.23075.445F2702000E681900005A23219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi All, Need some help with finding info on a Massey Harris, MHBH 47803, 2 1/2hp, 550 RPM that was just picked up. Is there any one with a dating, etc. book???? thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From nick at holden1.net Mon May 8 11:23:42 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:23:42 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] 1st rally this year Message-ID: <445F8C9A.000003.02040@YOUR-447023AE6B> Had a nice weekend at Stotfold Mill steam fair a nice little rally to get things going and they are doing a good job of rebuilding the mill which was burnt to the ground a few years ago this rally is to raise money for the mill Photos on webshots Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon May 8 14:21:08 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo WI Swap Meet Auction results In-Reply-To: <445F8C9A.000003.02040@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <20060508212108.99557.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Had a fun time this past weekend at the Baraboo Swap Meet. Below is a link to the results from the auction. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006BarabooSwap.htm This was a classic auction with one item in particular having resulted in a record price...two people who really wanted the same item!! Enjoy Steve From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 8 17:36:11 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:36:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo WI Swap Meet Auction results In-Reply-To: <20060508212108.99557.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060508212108.99557.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <445FE3FB.3060802@scrtc.com> Steve, I had a friend who was at the auction tell me the driving force for the IH price was that 2 brothers were bidding against each other as it had been a piece of iron from their family's estate (they were the heirs). Is that what you heard? Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Had a fun time this past weekend at the Baraboo Swap Meet. Below is a >link to the results from the auction. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006BarabooSwap.htm > >This was a classic auction with one item in particular having resulted in >a record price...two people who really wanted the same item!! > >Enjoy > >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon May 8 19:18:54 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo WI Swap Meet Auction results In-Reply-To: <445FE3FB.3060802@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060509021854.72177.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tommy It was my understanding that it was a club member vs a previous owner's family member. The club member was the high bidder. There could have been a second relative, but I was on the outside. I could see one bidder, but not the other as they were blocked by the engine in my view. Steve --- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Steve, > I had a friend who was at the auction tell me the driving force for > the IH price was that 2 brothers were bidding against each other as it > had been a piece of iron from their family's estate (they were the > heirs). Is that what you heard? Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >Had a fun time this past weekend at the Baraboo Swap Meet. Below is a > >link to the results from the auction. > > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006BarabooSwap.htm > > > >This was a classic auction with one item in particular having resulted > in > >a record price...two people who really wanted the same item!! > > > >Enjoy > > > >Steve > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue May 9 03:24:21 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 05:24:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris In-Reply-To: <050820061109.23075.445F2702000E681900005A23219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <050820061109.23075.445F2702000E681900005A23219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <44606DD5.1070704@wightman.ca> Hi Curt, A pic would be helpful here because some things are not adding up. The HP and the Serial number , See: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/MasseyRegistry.htm Could be a Worthington Massey. Duncan cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: >Hi All, >Need some help with finding info on a Massey Harris, MHBH 47803, 2 1/2hp, 550 >RPM that was just picked up. Is there any one with a dating, etc. book???? >thankyou in advance, >Curt Andree >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue May 9 03:13:13 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:13:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris Message-ID: <050920061013.11030.44606B390002043300002B16219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Duncan, Thanks for the fast response. Forgot to mention the engine doesn't belong to me, but my a young neighbor kid who is not on the list and whom I helped get started in to the hobby about 10yrs ago. His father passed the specs on to me saturday so Ive not had time to run over to look at the engine yet. Will try to get by soon and take some good pics for you and confirm the numbers,etc. regards, Curt Andree > Hi Curt, > > A pic would be helpful here because some things are not adding up. The > HP and the Serial number , > See: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/MasseyRegistry.htm > Could be a Worthington Massey. > > Duncan > > > cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > >Hi All, > >Need some help with finding info on a Massey Harris, MHBH 47803, 2 1/2hp, 550 > >RPM that was just picked up. Is there any one with a dating, etc. book???? > >thankyou in advance, > >Curt Andree > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 9 12:22:03 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:22:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Air cooled Ronnie "N" Message-ID: <200605092154656.SM01716@new.databak.co.za> Hi All (especially the Aussies - again:-0), I've got another Aussie engine !! 2 actually - Ronnie N air cooled and Moffat Virtue but this mail is about the Ronnie. They were given to me by George Botha of Lister fame and a list member. (Thanks George) The air cooled Ronnie is a Type NHA - Petrol /Kerosene -3 to 4 H.P. - No. 77117. The Ronnie is missing the carb & aircleaner (and manifold if this is seperate) and I'm wondering which one of you Aussies has a spare for sale or can trace one for me. Before going any further let me say that I WANT to pay for it. You guys have helped me so much in the last few months with my Ronnie N/Alfa Laval as well as the Wolseley R that I actually feel guilty. Your generosity has been overwhelming and very much appreciated but I do not want to be seen as a "taker" or "bum" or whatever else it may be called on your side of the world. O.K. !!!!! The Ronnie is in pretty good shape and is loose and should be a pretty easy restoration - then he can join "Reggie" at shows. I've put a page up here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rtac/index.htm I look forward to hearing from you and thank you in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 9 12:47:21 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:47:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Engine Manuals Message-ID: <200605092154500.SM01128@new.databak.co.za> Hi Everyone, I've just finished scanning a manual for the Aussie "Southern Cross Pumper" and will make a pdf as soon as I'm finished my eMail. I will, in due course, put it on may page as a download (about 2.5 Mbyte) but if anyone needs one let me know and I'll move my arse! I've also scanned a number of others which will go up in due course: a) Massey Harris / Cushman Cub b) Bernard W112 c) Bernard W 110 d) Bernard Diesel Type 21 e) a few Ransomes lawn mower manuals f) Some others - too late to remember now. As discussed on the lists a few months ago I will be imprinting them with the wording "Free download from (my website adress) - "Not for resale" etc. to foil the EBay resellers and this is the holdup - it takes time. If any list members want a manual sooner I'll do it up without the imprint in the meanwhile. Note to Paul Evans of Internal Fire - I could do you a special set with your website address if you like - just let me know. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue May 9 13:37:28 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:37:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley Message-ID: I was at an auction about a month ago and bought 3 clutch pulleys. I need some help identifying one of them. The pulley is 16" diameter and about 8" wide. It attaches to the flywheel with 3 bolts. The only marking I have found is on one of the spokes. The marking looks like this Does anyone know who made this clutch? What does it fit? From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue May 9 20:03:23 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 22:03:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509220251.02141f40@herculesengines.com> Andy Hercules used a 3 bolt mounting system. Do you have a picture? Keith At 03:37 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote: >I was at an auction about a month ago and bought 3 clutch >pulleys. I need some help identifying one of them. The pulley is >16" diameter and about 8" wide. It attaches to the flywheel with 3 >bolts. The only marking I have found is on one of the spokes. The >marking looks like this Does anyone know who made this >clutch? What does it fit? > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed May 10 01:02:50 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:02:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509220251.02141f40@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Hi Andy, i would say it might be off a massey harris, just a guess without a picture,Dave in oz >From: Keith Kinney >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Clutch Pulley >Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 22:03:23 -0500 > >Andy >Hercules used a 3 bolt mounting system. Do you have a picture? >Keith > > >At 03:37 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote: >>I was at an auction about a month ago and bought 3 clutch pulleys. I need >>some help identifying one of them. The pulley is 16" diameter and about >>8" wide. It attaches to the flywheel with 3 bolts. The only marking I >>have found is on one of the spokes. The marking looks like this >>Does anyone know who made this clutch? What does it fit? >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Keith Kinney >Evansville, Indiana USA >www.HerculesEngines.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ New year, new job ? there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed May 10 01:13:31 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:13:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Air cooled Ronnie "N" References: <200605092154656.SM01716@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <00b201c67409$a2948d50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Years back, I had one of those and it had the same carb as the water cooled. I aint in a position to lay my hands on one. Sorry I cannot help more. Reg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Air cooled Ronnie "N" > Hi All (especially the Aussies - again:-0), > I've got another Aussie engine !! 2 actually - Ronnie N air cooled > and Moffat Virtue but this mail is about the Ronnie. > They were given to me by George Botha of Lister fame and a list > member. (Thanks George) > The air cooled Ronnie is a Type NHA - Petrol /Kerosene -3 to 4 > H.P. - No. 77117. > > The Ronnie is missing the carb & aircleaner (and manifold if this > is seperate) and I'm wondering which one of you Aussies has a spare for > sale or can trace one for me. > > Before going any further let me say that I WANT to pay for it. You > guys have helped me so much in the last few months with my Ronnie N/Alfa > Laval as well as the Wolseley R that I actually feel guilty. Your > generosity has been overwhelming and very much appreciated but I do not > want to be seen as a "taker" or "bum" or whatever else it may be called on > your side of the world. O.K. !!!!! > > The Ronnie is in pretty good shape and is loose and should be a > pretty easy restoration - then he can join "Reggie" > at shows. > > I've put a page up here: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rtac/index.htm > I look forward to hearing from you and thank you in advance. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Wed May 10 01:49:05 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:49:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Air cooled Ronnie "N" In-Reply-To: <200605092154656.SM01716@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <4sun1b$du2dt7@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au> Jerry,I have recently bought a "N" which I have not seen yet. If it is a "spare parts" engine and the carb is right you are on a winner! Ray Freeman Perth W.Australia -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2006 3:22 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Air cooled Ronnie "N" Hi All (especially the Aussies - again:-0), I've got another Aussie engine !! 2 actually - Ronnie N air cooled and Moffat Virtue but this mail is about the Ronnie. They were given to me by George Botha of Lister fame and a list member. (Thanks George) The air cooled Ronnie is a Type NHA - Petrol /Kerosene -3 to 4 H.P. - No. 77117. The Ronnie is missing the carb & aircleaner (and manifold if this is seperate) and I'm wondering which one of you Aussies has a spare for sale or can trace one for me. Before going any further let me say that I WANT to pay for it. You guys have helped me so much in the last few months with my Ronnie N/Alfa Laval as well as the Wolseley R that I actually feel guilty. Your generosity has been overwhelming and very much appreciated but I do not want to be seen as a "taker" or "bum" or whatever else it may be called on your side of the world. O.K. !!!!! The Ronnie is in pretty good shape and is loose and should be a pretty easy restoration - then he can join "Reggie" at shows. I've put a page up here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rtac/index.htm I look forward to hearing from you and thank you in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 10 06:47:31 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:47:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo WI Swap Meet Auction results In-Reply-To: <20060508212108.99557.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060510134724.VEGT1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> There was certainly two people who wanted that 12hp IHC, and both had deep pockets! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Had a fun time this past weekend at the Baraboo Swap Meet. Below is a link to the results from the auction. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006BarabooSwap.htm This was a classic auction with one item in particular having resulted in a record price...two people who really wanted the same item!! Enjoy Steve From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 10 07:53:10 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:53:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo WI Swap Meet Auction results In-Reply-To: <20060510134724.VEGT1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060510134724.VEGT1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <4461FE56.8070304@scrtc.com> Yes Patrick, and it only takes two to drive the price up (or one and a crafty auctioneer). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >There was certainly two people who wanted that 12hp IHC, and both had deep >pockets! > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed May 10 19:34:02 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:34:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4462A29A.8000303@wightman.ca> Hi Andy, Probably off a Massey Harris engine. And it would have been a big one like this. http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/massey-harris/page506.html Duncan Andy Glines wrote: > I was at an auction about a month ago and bought 3 clutch pulleys. I > need some help identifying one of them. The pulley is 16" diameter > and about 8" wide. It attaches to the flywheel with 3 bolts. The > only marking I have found is on one of the spokes. The marking looks > like this Does anyone know who made this clutch? What does > it fit? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 10 20:18:31 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:18:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: <4461FE56.8070304@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville 4 hp Canadian made gas engine. Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be great. Since it's Canadian made, I'd also like to know more...... :-) Bill Runnells, IA From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu May 11 01:51:23 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:51:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? Message-ID: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save the paint work. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu May 11 03:45:09 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 05:45:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> Hi Bill, Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years ago. http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html Duncan Bill Dickerson wrote: > >I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville 4 hp >Canadian made gas engine. >Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be great. > >Since it's Canadian made, I'd also like to know more...... :-) > > >Bill >Runnells, IA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu May 11 02:42:29 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:42:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? Message-ID: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> Passed on from the UK engine list. See http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6276668512 Give your wallet a tranquilizer before looking at the price! 8^) Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From mrengine at comcast.net Thu May 11 03:12:13 2006 From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:12:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? Message-ID: <051120061012.1023.44630DFD000530BA000003FF22007613940A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> I apply detergent motor oil, gently rub with fingers then rinse with car wash detergent.You just cant be in a hurry It takes many applications.It takes me a few weeks to clean one up but the paint is not harmed. Any time you walk by the engine squirt a little oil on it rub a little then work on something else. Then every couple days rinse it off with mild car wash. Frank -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Brian Watts" > We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint > under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save > the paint work. > Brian & David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03)97266147 > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > Web Site > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1023_1147342333_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I apply detergent motor oil, gently rub with fingers then rinse with car wash detergent.You just cant be in a hurry It takes many applications.It takes me a few weeks to clean one up  but the paint is not harmed. Any time you walk by the engine squirt a little oil on it rub a little then work on something else. Then every couple days rinse it off with mild car wash. Frank
 
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> the paint work.
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From svsuzanne at copper.net Thu May 11 04:08:21 2006 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:08:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? References: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> Message-ID: <003101c674eb$38e07ad0$2fa40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> If you want to save the paint use a biodegradable product like a green cleaner. The original paint was petroleum based and can be damaged by another petroleum product. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:51 AM Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save the paint work. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 5/9/2006 From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 11 04:44:26 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 04:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4025.165.206.180.19.1147347866.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Duncan - thanks for the tip - I'll forward this to the party asking, and read a bit myself. Always interesting to learn of one I'd never seen before, especially from Canada. Bill > Hi Bill, > > Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years > ago. > > http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html > > Duncan > > > Bill Dickerson wrote: > >> >>I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville 4 >> hp >>Canadian made gas engine. >>Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be great. >> >>Since it's Canadian made, I'd also like to know more...... :-) >> >> >>Bill >>Runnells, IA >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 11 06:55:52 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> Message-ID: Hi Bill, There's also a nice article on the Robertsonville Foundry in GEM. I'll get you the issue / page no. info this evening. Basically, I think at this time in history the Canadians were ripping off the US designs. The Robertsonville is a carbon copy of the Waterloo Boy just as the Plesseville is a carbon copy of the Hercules engine. it's also noteworthy that the towns of Robertsonville and Plesseville are right next to each other. Coincidence? I don't think so! 8-)) BTW, when you pass info along to this gent, would you ask him to share what he finds in return? Info on the Robertsonville company and engines is VERY SCARCE! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 11 May 2006, Duncan Denman wrote: > Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years ago. > http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html > > Bill Dickerson wrote: > > >I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville 4 hp > >Canadian made gas engine. > >Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be great. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 11 07:02:49 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> References: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> Message-ID: G'day Brian, Personally I really like to use kerosene (paraffin?) and a stiff bristle brush to gently clean the accumulated mung off an engine. It's not as fast or aggressive as harsh chemical cleaners or a power wash, but you won't be standing next to the engine crying as you look at all the original paint on the ground or going down the drain either. It also forces you to really LOOK at the engine as you clean it. You'll understand the machine better and are more likely to spot cracks, rapairs, unusual mechanical wear, etc. It's pretty rare to find a nice "barn fresh" engine in good condition. You should really savor the cleaning process. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 11 May 2006, Brian Watts wrote: > We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save the paint work. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 11 07:46:24 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:46:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> Message-ID: Brian, I like to use a 50/50 mix of kerosene and detergent motor oil and soak it as long as possible and then use a soft brush dipped in the same until you get to the original paint, then stop, spray it down with pure kerosene and let it dry. then I use a 50/50 mix of turpentine and boiled linseed oil to preserve the finish. CAUTION, even with this method pinstriping will disappear before your eyes so when you get to an area of striping work around it and then carefully do the striped areas last. Steve >From: "Brian Watts" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? >Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:51:23 +1000 > >We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a >paint under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease >and save the paint work. >Brian & David Watts >Melbourne >Australia >(03)97266147 >briwatt at optusnet.com.au >Web Site >http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Thu May 11 08:11:25 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:11:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> Message-ID: <200605111511.k4BFBVOB062869@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:51 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save the paint work. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've had good luck with a hot air gun. It will melt the grease as if it were candle wax. The top layers can be removed with a putty knife. As you get nearer to the paint, just heat and wipe with soft rags. A messier and slower way is to soak the grease with kerosene or Diesel fuel. I've even used waterless hand cleaner; but, the hand cleaner will soften the top layer of the paint. Usually, this doesn't hurt all that much; but, if you have decals or pin-striping, be careful. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From oiseming at moscow.com Thu May 11 08:21:21 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:21:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <200605111521.k4BFLRvN097165@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:42 AM To: atis Cc: Old Engine Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? Passed on from the UK engine list. See http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6276668512 Give your wallet a tranquilizer before looking at the price! 8^) Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ Thank you for that link, Dave. The price seems breath-taking, but at the current bid it seems like a steal. It will be fun to see what it ultimately sells for. The seller did a great job with the description and pictures. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 11 07:55:54 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> References: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Come on man, that lathe comes with a Goniostat!! 8-)) That is actually one awesome piece of kit. I've marked it to see what it closes for. For someone in that hobby, this has got to be nearly the equivalent of finding the Holy Grail on eBay. Thanks for posting that auction. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 11 May 2006, Dave Croft wrote: > Passed on from the UK engine list. > See http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6276668512 > Give your wallet a tranquilizer before looking at the price! 8^) From andyglines at hotmail.com Thu May 11 10:19:59 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:19:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Clutch Pulley In-Reply-To: <200605111600.k4BG053J012940@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the pics Duncan. Those clutches look a lot like mine. I'll print a couple and compare to my clutch when I get home. Keith, I do not have pics yet. If I don't figure it out soon I'll bring it to SIAM Classic Iron show for identification. > 1. Re: Clutch Pulley (Duncan Denman) >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:34:02 -0500 >From: Duncan Denman >Subject: Re: [SEL] Clutch Pulley >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <4462A29A.8000303 at wightman.ca> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi Andy, > >Probably off a Massey Harris engine. And it would have been a big one >like this. >http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/massey-harris/page506.html > >Duncan > > >Andy Glines wrote: > > > I was at an auction about a month ago and bought 3 clutch pulleys. I > > need some help identifying one of them. The pulley is 16" diameter > > and about 8" wide. It attaches to the flywheel with 3 bolts. The > > only marking I have found is on one of the spokes. The marking looks > > like this Does anyone know who made this clutch? What does > > it fit? From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu May 11 10:25:30 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:25:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? References: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <004f01c6751f$e870cb60$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? > Hi Dave, > Come on man, that lathe comes with a Goniostat!! 8-)) I have just read the replies & he has been told that there is two Goniostats in the tools. > That is actually one awesome piece of kit. I've marked it to see what it > closes for. For someone in that hobby, this has got to be nearly the > equivalent of finding the Holy Grail on eBay. One chap in the replies says that the only reason he isn't bidding is because his wife refuses to let him sell the house. > Thanks for posting that auction. Thank the lord that engines come a bit cheaper! > See ya, Arnie Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 11 10:55:21 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4970.165.206.180.19.1147370121.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I'll be happy to pass along what I find, and thank you for the additional info. I believe they have a 4hp. I'll try to find out more. And as far as "copies", this is the same time period for the Canadian Chapman engine. Well, Stephen Chapman was associated with OWE&PC, which sold Stickney (sp) engines. They wanted their own engines, so Chapman went off and came up with Chapman engines. (I think I got that correct.........) Hmmm, funny how their mounting system and exhaust for the large frame engines looked a lot like Stickney large engines. If I recall, there were other similarities, rarity being among them :-) Quality engines, however. But it shows how copying was being done. Shoot, take the Ural and BMW motorcycles........... lot's of countries and companies do it. Bill > Hi Bill, > > There's also a nice article on the Robertsonville Foundry in GEM. I'll > get you the issue / page no. info this evening. > > Basically, I think at this time in history the Canadians were ripping off > the US designs. The Robertsonville is a carbon copy of the Waterloo Boy > just as the Plesseville is a carbon copy of the Hercules engine. it's > also noteworthy that the towns of Robertsonville and Plesseville are right > next to each other. Coincidence? I don't think so! 8-)) > > BTW, when you pass info along to this gent, would you ask him to share > what he finds in return? Info on the Robertsonville company and engines > is VERY SCARCE! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Thu, 11 May 2006, Duncan Denman wrote: > >> Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years >> ago. >> http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html >> >> Bill Dickerson wrote: >> >> >I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville >> 4 hp >> >Canadian made gas engine. >> >Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be >> great. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 11 10:32:53 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: <004f01c6751f$e870cb60$3ac10b52@no1> References: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> <004f01c6751f$e870cb60$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: Hi Dave, > > Come on man, that lathe comes with a Goniostat!! 8-)) > I have just read the replies & he has been told that there is two Goniostats in the tools. WHOA!! Two?!? Double your bid! > One chap in the replies says that the only reason he isn't bidding is because his wife > refuses to let him sell the house. Someone should remind the gent that they're still making wives but they're not still making Goniostats! > Thank the lord that engines come a bit cheaper! Errrmmm, priced any camstopper engines in similar condition lately? See ya, Arnie From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 11 11:44:14 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] power saw speed In-Reply-To: References: <200605111600.k4BG053J012940@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <1130.165.206.180.19.1147373054.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Aha - you thought I should preface it with OT, eh? Well, it's not quite OT, because it involves engines. I recently picked up a smaller version of the massive drawcut hacksaw I already have. It's the little brother, I think a 12" cut, definitely smaller. It's still got intact the clutch pulley and auto-disengage lever, although it needs some repair and tweeking. It's been converted to electric, but they left the clutch pulley and mechanism all in place. What I'm wondering is this - can I pulley this up to a small engine, like a 1.5 or 2hp and run it at a decent slow speed - has anyone done this? Do I need to do some fancy math? Or was this meant for a lineshaft? And if so, what was the typical lineshaft speed? I think it would be a cool display at a show. Bill Runnells, IA "Windy town" From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu May 11 14:02:33 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:02:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4463A669.3090007@wightman.ca> Ripping off?? Duncan Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Bill, > >There's also a nice article on the Robertsonville Foundry in GEM. I'll >get you the issue / page no. info this evening. > >Basically, I think at this time in history the Canadians were ripping off >the US designs. The Robertsonville is a carbon copy of the Waterloo Boy >just as the Plesseville is a carbon copy of the Hercules engine. it's >also noteworthy that the towns of Robertsonville and Plesseville are right >next to each other. Coincidence? I don't think so! 8-)) > >BTW, when you pass info along to this gent, would you ask him to share >what he finds in return? Info on the Robertsonville company and engines >is VERY SCARCE! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Thu, 11 May 2006, Duncan Denman wrote: > > > >>Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years ago. >>http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html >> >>Bill Dickerson wrote: >> >> >> >>>I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville 4 hp >>>Canadian made gas engine. >>>Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be great. >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu May 11 13:23:21 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:23:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Dramatic change to British Engineerium Auction Message-ID: <003a01c67538$c0b8c230$3ac10b52@no1> (Passed on from the UK model engineers list) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was at the auction (and know Jonathan Minns the owner of the collection and manager of the Engineerium). It was very dramatic. The auction was due to start at 10:30. At 10:20 they announced a 30 min delay due to technical difficulties - we assumed they meant phone lines/internet or somesuch. At about eleven the auctioneer stood up and said he had never had such a dramatic announcement to make. After through-the-night negotiations the entire collection and site had been bought by a local man. Cheers went up and everyone except the vultures beamed from ear-to-ear. I really think three-quarters of those present were very happy not to be able to buy anything. Our local rag has more details: See http://www.theargus.co.uk/the_argus/news/NEWS0.html (Search under: 'Tycoon's ?3 million museum deal by Sara Wallis', if this is no longer the lead story) A very happy ending to a nearly sad story. Anyone who has an interest in this forum should make a point of visiting the Engineerium if they are in the Brighton area. The (fully working) workshop is one of the last with large machines still running and doing real work from overhead line shafts. I am told the Lancashire boilers which supply the beam engine are the oldest continuously working boilers in the world. It's a wonderful place for anyone, but especially for steam people. Cheers Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 11 13:44:07 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: <4463A669.3090007@wightman.ca> References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> <4463A669.3090007@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <1477.165.206.180.19.1147380247.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Duncan I think he really meant to say 'borrowing the best of the U.S design and then improving upon it with Canadian originality'. Bill > Ripping off?? > > Duncan > > > Arnie Fero wrote: > >>Hi Bill, >> >>There's also a nice article on the Robertsonville Foundry in GEM. I'll >>get you the issue / page no. info this evening. >> >>Basically, I think at this time in history the Canadians were ripping off >>the US designs. The Robertsonville is a carbon copy of the Waterloo Boy >>just as the Plesseville is a carbon copy of the Hercules engine. it's >>also noteworthy that the towns of Robertsonville and Plesseville are >> right >>next to each other. Coincidence? I don't think so! 8-)) >> >>BTW, when you pass info along to this gent, would you ask him to share >>what he finds in return? Info on the Robertsonville company and engines >>is VERY SCARCE! >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>On Thu, 11 May 2006, Duncan Denman wrote: >> >> >> >>>Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years >>> ago. >>>http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html >>> >>>Bill Dickerson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville >>>> 4 hp >>>>Canadian made gas engine. >>>>Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be >>>> great. >>>> >>>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 11 13:37:44 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: <1477.165.206.180.19.1147380247.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> <4463A669.3090007@wightman.ca> <1477.165.206.180.19.1147380247.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Errr, ummm, yeah, that's it. 8-)) On Thu, 11 May 2006 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > > Duncan I think he really meant to say 'borrowing the best of the U.S > design and then improving upon it with Canadian originality'. > > > > > > Ripping off?? > > > > Duncan > > > > > > Arnie Fero wrote: > > > >>Basically, I think at this time in history the Canadians were ripping off > >>the US designs. The Robertsonville is a carbon copy of the Waterloo Boy > >>just as the Plesseville is a carbon copy of the Hercules engine. it's > >>also noteworthy that the towns of Robertsonville and Plesseville are > >>right next to each other. Coincidence? I don't think so! 8-)) From oiseming at moscow.com Thu May 11 14:57:14 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:57:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dramatic change to British Engineerium Auction In-Reply-To: <003a01c67538$c0b8c230$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <200605112157.k4BLvNIj004348@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:23 PM To: atis Cc: Old Engine Subject: [SEL] Dramatic change to British Engineerium Auction (Passed on from the UK model engineers list) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- I was at the auction (and know Jonathan Minns the owner of the collection and manager of the Engineerium). Snip http://www.theargus.co.uk/the_argus/news/NEWS0.html A very happy ending to a nearly sad story. Snip ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dramatic, indeed! I know of at least one person here in the US who will be disappointed; but, now I have something to look forward to seeing if I ever get to Merrie Olde England. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu May 11 16:53:18 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:53:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Dramatic change to British Engineerium Auction In-Reply-To: <003a01c67538$c0b8c230$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <016301c67556$152f0c80$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Holy Moly Dave! That's awesome! =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu May 11 17:14:45 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:14:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: References: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: > Come on man, that lathe comes with a Goniostat!! 8-)) That's a device to hold your gonads still, right? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From mullt at att.net Thu May 11 08:19:19 2006 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:19:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? Message-ID: <051120061519.6866.446355F7000A15EB00001AD221612436469B04049A03@att.net> I think many of the commercial engine cleaners like Gunk are mainly kerosene aka coal oil. I can remember using coal oil to clean the engine on my first car, a 56 Chevy. Tom in St. Louis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Arnie Fero > G'day Brian, > > Personally I really like to use kerosene (paraffin?) and a stiff bristle > brush to gently clean the accumulated mung off an engine. It's not > as fast or aggressive as harsh chemical cleaners or a power wash, but you > won't be standing next to the engine crying as you look at all the > original paint on the ground or going down the drain either. > > It also forces you to really LOOK at the engine as you clean it. You'll > understand the machine better and are more likely to spot cracks, rapairs, > unusual mechanical wear, etc. > > It's pretty rare to find a nice "barn fresh" engine in good condition. > You should really savor the cleaning process. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Thu, 11 May 2006, Brian Watts wrote: > > > We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint > under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save > the paint work. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu May 11 19:52:34 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:52:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <051120061519.6866.446355F7000A15EB00001AD221612436469B04049A03@att.net> References: <051120061519.6866.446355F7000A15EB00001AD221612436469B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <571262ff639994f2302ec7b84566d4a2@chartertn.net> It's kerosene with a detergent in it. You can buy the concentrated detergent (Gunk SC) and mix it with your own kerosene. John On May 11, 2006, at 11:19 AM, mullt at att.net wrote: > I think many of the commercial engine cleaners like Gunk are mainly > kerosene aka coal oil. I can remember using coal oil to clean the > engine on my first car, a 56 Chevy. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 11 19:53:37 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:53:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> Message-ID: <20060512025326.RRLW24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Brian, I usually give the engine a good go over with the $2 a can degreaser then hose it off with water. This will remove the some of the initial layer of gunk. I then use a combination of scrapers, brushes and kerosene to remove the caked on stuff. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save the paint work. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From gibsongus at myway.com Thu May 11 22:19:48 2006 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 01:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? Message-ID: <20060512051948.ECD6099E24@mprdmxin.myway.com> John, Kelly uses oven cleaner ,it works good if there greasey good luck-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 05/11, John Culp < johnculp at chartertn.net > wrote: From: John Culp [mailto: johnculp at chartertn.net]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:52:34 -0400Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Cleaner?It's kerosene with a detergent in it. You can buy the concentrated detergent (Gunk SC) and mix it with your own kerosene.JohnOn May 11, 2006, at 11:19 AM, mullt at att.net wrote:> I think many of the commercial engine cleaners like Gunk are mainly > kerosene aka coal oil. I can remember using coal oil to clean the > engine on my first car, a 56 Chevy.John CulpBristol, Tennessee, USA_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu May 11 23:58:14 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:58:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <20060512051948.ECD6099E24@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20060512051948.ECD6099E24@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060511234217.05a03a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Gus... You are right that oven cleaner does a great job on heavy dried out grease but it definitely should NOT be used if you are trying to preserve the original paint under the grease. I'm in the process of cleaning up a 1918 IHC M 1-1/2 hp. that is going to be repainted anyway so I have been using oven cleaner on the heavy stuff and find that it takes paint off better than most of the commercial paint strippers on the market. It has been doing a great job on the grease. You can buy it by the gallon where commercial cleaning supplies are sold much cheaper than the spray cans available in the market. Regards, Larry Evans At 10:19 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: > John, Kelly uses oven cleaner ,it works good if there greasey good > luck-----------------GusWhittier, CA Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri May 12 10:55:18 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:55:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roto-Hoe Message-ID: <021d01c675ed$4def5fb0$3aa4f504@Ed> ----- Original Message ----- From: bigdaddie47 To: Small_Engine_Secrets at yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: [Small_Engine_Secrets] old tiller I have an old tiller I picked up from an older lady who said it was her father's. I cannot find anything about it. I do have pictures of it.The plate on it say Roto-hoe mfg by Roto-Hoe and Sprayer Co. Newbury Ohio USA Model 148H ser 12834 Motor is a LAWSON MFD by The Lawson Co New Holstien Wis USA type RSH-899 NO 5300808 It has a tillitson carb and I believe it may be a 1 hp Motor. also has a belt drive to the tines. Any Help as I am stuck. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Small_Engine_Secrets" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Small_Engine_Secrets-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri May 12 14:30:45 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:30:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <20060512051948.ECD6099E24@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20060512051948.ECD6099E24@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <19bfb56ad77bd5da3ca52fbe0af65f12@chartertn.net> Oven cleaner takes off paint. Been there, done that. John On May 12, 2006, at 1:19 AM, Gus wrote: > John, Kelly uses oven cleaner ,it works good if there greasey good > luck----------------- John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri May 12 19:02:49 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:02:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] eBay Scam Engine Auctions? Message-ID: <1147485769.44653e49c9621@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Sooo, do these eBay auctions look hinky to you or is it just me? 190000394825 7617476447 190000394925 7617875652 110000271435 7617672780 110000271470 7617552431 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri May 12 19:24:22 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 12:24:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] eBay Scam Engine Auctions? In-Reply-To: <1147485769.44653e49c9621@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20060513022409.ZUQB14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> If I were the genuine seller I would be a little annoyed. You would have to be pretty amazingly stupid to fall for this one! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Folks, Sooo, do these eBay auctions look hinky to you or is it just me? 190000394825 7617476447 190000394925 7617875652 110000271435 7617672780 110000271470 7617552431 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri May 12 19:36:38 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] eBay Scam Engine Auctions? In-Reply-To: <1147485769.44653e49c9621@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20060513023638.93467.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Arnie You are correct...The first Column is the scams and the second appear to be the legit auctions. I would love to see that Frostking in China be delivered to the Portland Swap... Steve --- fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Sooo, do these eBay auctions look hinky to you or is it just me? > > 190000394825 7617476447 > 190000394925 7617875652 > 110000271435 7617672780 > 110000271470 7617552431 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri May 12 22:35:16 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:35:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] eBay Scam Engine Auctions? Message-ID: <20060512.223517.1188.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Arnie. I get no such auction for the numbers on the left. What am I doing wrong? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:02:49 -0400 fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > Hi Folks, > > Sooo, do these eBay auctions look hinky to you or is it just me? > > 190000394825 7617476447 > 190000394925 7617875652 > 110000271435 7617672780 > 110000271470 7617552431 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 12 23:07:37 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:07:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] eBay Scam Engine Auctions? In-Reply-To: <20060512.223517.1188.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002901c67653$8a474ed0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Hi Arnie. I get no such auction for the numbers on the left. > What am I doing wrong? Hi Ron, Not all of the numbers on the left worked for me, either. One of them was the EXACT same auction -- pictures, text, etc. -- except the seller and location were in China. Clearly, Arnie is prejudiced against Chinese people. He's usually a much more amiable sort of bloke. I think this hostility stems from a round of golf with some Chinese clients and a gal who could only say "kung chee!" From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat May 13 02:52:04 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:52:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Using gel battries Message-ID: <051320060952.415.4465AC440005CEBC0000019F219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Trying to find out if anyone has used GEL battries successfully on their Delco Light Plants instead of the conventional acid ones. Any and all help would be appreciated. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat May 13 06:36:14 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:36:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] eBay Scam Engine Auctions? In-Reply-To: <20060512.223517.1188.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060512.223517.1188.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <1147527374.4465e0ce5d0ea@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Ron, I'm pretty sure that eBay pulled 'em. See ya, Arnie Quoting rdhaskell at juno.com: > Hi Arnie. I get no such auction for the numbers on the left. What am I > doing wrong? > > Ron Haskell > > On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:02:49 -0400 fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > > > Sooo, do these eBay auctions look hinky to you or is it just me? > > > > 190000394825 7617476447 > > 190000394925 7617875652 > > 110000271435 7617672780 > > 110000271470 7617552431 From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Fri May 12 18:43:19 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:43:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH Message-ID: <01a601c6762e$9d4efb10$4f704047@pengy> My wife had to go to a conference in Columbus Thursday and Friday so I went along. After dropping her off I continued on to Dayton to see an old friend. Several years ago I made acquaintance with a beautiful cross compound corliss generating engine at the Carillon Historical Park in Dayton. The first time I saw her the building was closed so I only got a look through the windows. This time I could go inside and took a bunch of pictures. http://community.webshots.com/album/550317804yrtgeF The engine is a 26" x 54" x 60" horizontal cross compound built in 1902 by the C&G Cooper Co. in Mount Vernon, OH for the National Cash Register Company in Dayton. It drove a 230VAC 800KW alternator providing electrical power for the plant. She is rated at 1200 HP and running at 80 rpm with a 20' flywheel. This is perhaps the most beautiful stationary steam engine in existence in the US and certainly one of the best kept secrets. The engine is well cared for and housed in a heated brick building with a dehumidifier in the flywheel pit. Certainly a first class preservation effort for stationary steam power that has been moved from its original foundations to a new site. Search Carillon Historical Park on the net and plan to make a trip to Dayton to see this wonderful engine. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat May 13 18:35:03 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:35:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH In-Reply-To: <01a601c6762e$9d4efb10$4f704047@pengy> Message-ID: <20060514013503.VDLL25409.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Rick, That is a lovely looking engine. Is all the plating of parts original? The only thing I can fault the engine on is the fact that it does not look like it is operational or if it is they do an excellent job of cleaning it up. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Several years ago I made acquaintance with a beautiful cross compound corliss generating engine at the Carillon Historical Park in Dayton. The first time I saw her the building was closed so I only got a look through the windows. This time I could go inside and took a bunch of pictures. http://community.webshots.com/album/550317804yrtgeF The engine is a 26" x 54" x 60" horizontal cross compound built in 1902 by the C&G Cooper Co. in Mount Vernon, OH for the National Cash Register Company in Dayton. It drove a 230VAC 800KW alternator providing electrical power for the plant. She is rated at 1200 HP and running at 80 rpm with a 20' flywheel. This is perhaps the most beautiful stationary steam engine in existence in the US and certainly one of the best kept secrets. The engine is well cared for and housed in a heated brick building with a dehumidifier in the flywheel pit. Certainly a first class preservation effort for stationary steam power that has been moved from its original foundations to a new site. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sat May 13 21:52:43 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 23:52:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> I've been working to reproduce some original style hot tube chimney's for the Superior Oil Field Engines. For the story and pictures take a look here. http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/chimney.htm Keith Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Sat May 13 22:52:03 2006 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 00:52:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Superior Hot Tube Chimney's In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Hi Keith, These turned out very nice! Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Sat, 13 May 2006, Keith Kinney wrote: > I've been working to reproduce some original style hot tube chimney's > for the Superior Oil Field Engines. For the story and pictures take > a look here. > http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/chimney.htm > Keith > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sat May 13 18:53:22 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 21:53:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH References: <20060514013503.VDLL25409.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <008001c676f9$2ecd5260$4f704047@pengy> Its not operational. The plated parts could have been done prior to its being placed in the museum or it could have been that pretty while in service. At any rate she is a beauty. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH > Hi Rick, > That is a lovely looking engine. Is all the plating of parts > original? The only thing I can fault the engine on is the fact that it > does > not look like it is operational or if it is they do an excellent job of > cleaning it up. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > Several years ago I made acquaintance with a beautiful cross compound > corliss generating engine at the Carillon Historical Park in Dayton. The > first time I saw her the building was closed so I only got a look through > the windows. This time I could go inside and took a bunch of pictures. > > http://community.webshots.com/album/550317804yrtgeF > > The engine is a 26" x 54" x 60" horizontal cross compound built in 1902 by > the C&G Cooper Co. in Mount Vernon, OH for the National Cash Register > Company in Dayton. It drove a 230VAC 800KW alternator providing electrical > power for the plant. She is rated at 1200 HP and running at 80 rpm with a > 20' flywheel. > > This is perhaps the most beautiful stationary steam engine in existence in > the US and certainly one of the best kept secrets. The engine is well > cared > for and housed in a heated brick building with a dehumidifier in the > flywheel pit. Certainly a first class preservation effort for stationary > steam power that has been moved from its original foundations to a new > site. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Sun May 14 07:02:05 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:02:05 -0700 Subject: =?Windows-1252?B?U3BhbS9QaGlzaD4gUmU6IFtTRUxdIFdhbnQ=?= =?Windows-1252?B?IHRvIGJ1eSBhbiBvbGQgbGF0aGU/?= References: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <011f01c6775e$fb951340$6501a8c0@Shop> I don't want to sound stupid, but Yahoo currency converter says that is $47,578.1474. Dave Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? > Passed on from the UK engine list. > See http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6276668512 > Give your wallet a tranquilizer before looking at the price! 8^) > Dave Croft > Warrington From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 14 12:02:44 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:02:44 -0400 Subject: Spam/Phish> Re: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: <011f01c6775e$fb951340$6501a8c0@Shop> References: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> <011f01c6775e$fb951340$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <44677ED4.3040307@scrtc.com> Yup Dave, that's what 25,100 pounds converts to in US dollars. Thats a pretty expensive lathe! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > I don't want to sound stupid, but Yahoo currency converter says that > is $47,578.1474. > > Dave > > Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? > > >> Passed on from the UK engine list. >> See http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6276668512 >> Give your wallet a tranquilizer before looking at the price! 8^) >> Dave Croft >> Warrington > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 14 12:18:49 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:18:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <1147634329.44678299a118b@webmail.city-net.com> Bill, The article on the Robertsonville is in the August 1998 issue of GEM, Pages 17-18. Your friend should also look up the following two US patents (935,718 October 5, 1909 and 979,238 December 20, 1910). Both are by Louis W. Witry assigned to the Waterloo Engine Company. He was the Chief Engineer at Waterloo. They describe in detail the mixer that is unique to the Waterloo engines. It was ripped off, errr, copied exactly in the Robertsonville. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Arnie Fero : > Basically, I think at this time in history the Canadians were ripping off > the US designs. The Robertsonville is a carbon copy of the Waterloo Boy > just as the Plesseville is a carbon copy of the Hercules engine. it's > also noteworthy that the towns of Robertsonville and Plesseville are right > next to each other. Coincidence? I don't think so! 8-)) > > On Thu, 11 May 2006, Duncan Denman wrote: > > > Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years > > ago. http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html > > > > Bill Dickerson wrote: > > > > >I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville > > >4 hp Canadian made gas engine. > > >Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be great. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 14 12:42:17 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:42:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH In-Reply-To: <01a601c6762e$9d4efb10$4f704047@pengy> References: <01a601c6762e$9d4efb10$4f704047@pengy> Message-ID: <1147635737.4467881978abe@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rick, So when do you want the Wrecking Crew on-site to dismantle it and move it to Youngstown? 8-)) Sure does set a high cosmetic standard for the Tod Engine restoration doesn't it? See ya, Arnie Quoting Rick Rowlands : > Several years ago I made acquaintance with a beautiful cross compound corliss > generating engine at the Carillon Historical Park in Dayton. The first time I > saw her the building was closed so I only got a look through the windows. > This time I could go inside and took a bunch of pictures. > http://community.webshots.com/album/550317804yrtgeF From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun May 14 16:06:21 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:06:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <000801c677ab$07be9000$03f930cb@ogborneuah38i3> Keith ........I have had very little to do with Hot Tube engines . I am restoring an engine that I am told is a Hot Tube . When you speak of the ''Chimney '' I assume this is to increase draught from the lamp,am I correct? When we speak of ''Constant Lamp''engines would this depend on the load/temp of the combustion chamber? My engine has a separate combustion chamber rather like the Hornsby Ackroyd style. There is no chimney,just a shroud covering the tube with access for the lamp flame ............I don't know if this engine is constant lamp or not .......any ideas ,thanks? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's > I've been working to reproduce some original style hot tube chimney's for > the Superior Oil Field Engines. For the story and pictures take a look > here. > http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/chimney.htm > Keith > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sun May 14 16:40:04 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 19:40:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH References: <01a601c6762e$9d4efb10$4f704047@pengy> <1147635737.4467881978abe@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <002701c677af$ba2a6300$4f704047@pengy> Rolling mill engines never look that good!!! Thank god, otherwise I would be polishing metal until I'm 90. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH > Hi Rick, > > So when do you want the Wrecking Crew on-site to dismantle it and move it > to > Youngstown? 8-)) > > Sure does set a high cosmetic standard for the Tod Engine restoration > doesn't > it? > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Rick Rowlands : > >> Several years ago I made acquaintance with a beautiful cross compound >> corliss >> generating engine at the Carillon Historical Park in Dayton. The first >> time I >> saw her the building was closed so I only got a look through the windows. >> This time I could go inside and took a bunch of pictures. >> http://community.webshots.com/album/550317804yrtgeF > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Sun May 14 19:52:11 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:52:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <001401c677ca$90b332c0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Nice work Keith; Thanks for posting the pictures. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney > Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:53 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's > > I've been working to reproduce some original style hot tube chimney's > for the Superior Oil Field Engines. For the story and pictures take > a look here. > http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/chimney.htm > Keith > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk Mon May 15 16:55:06 2006 From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 00:55:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: Spam/Phish> Re: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: <44677ED4.3040307@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060515235506.45762.qmail@web26305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> If it were an engine, it would be a slide-valve otto. Hope that puts it in perspective, pricewise. A.M. --- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Yup Dave, that's what 25,100 pounds converts to in > US dollars. Thats a > pretty expensive lathe! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > I don't want to sound stupid, but Yahoo currency > converter says that > > is $47,578.1474. > > > > Dave > > > > Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? > > > > > >> Passed on from the UK engine list. > >> See > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6276668512 > >> Give your wallet a tranquilizer before looking at > the price! 8^) > >> Dave Croft > >> Warrington > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 15 17:30:49 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:30:49 -0400 Subject: Spam/Phish> Re: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: <20060515235506.45762.qmail@web26305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060515235506.45762.qmail@web26305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44691D39.7050302@scrtc.com> Yup, much rather have the slide valve myself. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >If it were an engine, it would be a slide-valve otto. >Hope that puts it in perspective, pricewise. >A.M. > > > > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue May 16 01:24:42 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:24:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <002901c678c2$2fd1b960$de85dccb@oemcomputer> its slow. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From mrengine at comcast.net Tue May 16 03:03:45 2006 From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:03:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <051620061003.6822.4469A380000E35BE00001AA622135753330A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> I think lot's of folks are gone to Portland. 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From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 16 16:16:06 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:16:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Kerry Morris Message-ID: <001601c6795a$0d2abcc0$5efc8790@ogborneuah38i3> Kerry....I have tried to send a pic of a Mc Donald but your server is blocking it ????? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue May 16 20:41:25 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 22:41:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's In-Reply-To: <000801c677ab$07be9000$03f930cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <000801c677ab$07be9000$03f930cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060516223809.02325108@herculesengines.com> I'm no expert on the technology. All I did was make a copy. The chimney surrounds the hot tub and I guess keeps the heat in and protects the flame from wind. Anybody know anything about Peter's engine? Keith At 06:06 PM 5/14/2006, you wrote: >Keith ........I have had very little to do with Hot Tube engines . I am >restoring an engine that I am told is a Hot Tube . When you speak of the >''Chimney '' I assume this is to increase draught from the lamp,am I correct? >When we speak of ''Constant Lamp''engines would this depend on the >load/temp of the combustion chamber? >My engine has a separate combustion chamber rather like the Hornsby >Ackroyd style. There is no chimney,just a shroud covering the tube >with access for the lamp flame ............I don't know if this >engine is constant lamp or not .......any ideas ,thanks? >----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" > >To: ; ; > >Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:52 PM >Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's > > >>I've been working to reproduce some original style hot tube chimney's for >>the Superior Oil Field Engines. For the story and pictures take a look >>here. >>http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/chimney.htm >>Keith >> >>Keith Kinney >>Evansville, Indiana USA >>www.HerculesEngines.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 16 22:24:03 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:24:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com><000801c677ab$07be9000$03f930cb@ogborneuah38i3> <7.0.1.0.2.20060516223809.02325108@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <001b01c67972$1fff8570$a80c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks anyway Keith...........I guess I will just have to keep inventing it as I go along. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's > I'm no expert on the technology. All I did was make a copy. > The chimney surrounds the hot tub and I guess keeps the heat in and > protects the flame from wind. > Anybody know anything about Peter's engine? > Keith > > > At 06:06 PM 5/14/2006, you wrote: >>Keith ........I have had very little to do with Hot Tube engines . I am >>restoring an engine that I am told is a Hot Tube . When you speak of the >>''Chimney '' I assume this is to increase draught from the lamp,am I >>correct? >>When we speak of ''Constant Lamp''engines would this depend on the >>load/temp of the combustion chamber? >>My engine has a separate combustion chamber rather like the Hornsby >>Ackroyd style. There is no chimney,just a shroud covering the tube with >>access for the lamp flame ............I don't know if this engine is >>constant lamp or not .......any ideas ,thanks? >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" >> >>To: ; ; >> >>Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:52 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's >> >> >>>I've been working to reproduce some original style hot tube chimney's for >>>the Superior Oil Field Engines. For the story and pictures take a look >>>here. >>>http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/chimney.htm >>>Keith >>> >>>Keith Kinney >>>Evansville, Indiana USA >>>www.HerculesEngines.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu May 18 03:39:13 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:39:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Have you seen an engine like this Message-ID: <000d01c67a67$4f0ab600$3ac10b52@no1> A friend in Oz has this hot tube engine. He doesn't know the maker so can anyone identify it for him? The Govenor is very unusual so perhaps that will help. http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/2882438490028520097sVcfqg I tried the UK engine group but got no replies. TIA Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From segray at mlode.com Wed May 17 23:36:58 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:36:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" Message-ID: <446C160A.7060109@mlode.com> Hi All - Anybody out there in iron land ever see literature available for a Wico "F" mag? This little Witte "U" that I recently picked up in a group of engines I acquired, uses the Wico. The mag is located in the hub of the off side flywheel. The engine itself is a runner, just needing the normal slack taken out of all the bearings. Thanks in advance! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri May 19 10:52:27 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:52:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Tidy your shop! Message-ID: <446E05DB.8020309@insulate.co.uk> Hi Folks Just in case anyone is thinking of doing a major clearout of their workshop, here's an idea for what to do with all those odd tools and bits of junk you don't have a place for. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250000111754 Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri May 19 11:41:33 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:41:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] electrolysis Message-ID: I know that electrolysis is a popular method for cleaninig up rustry iron among the ATIS crowd. I have used it a couple of times and I am a big fan. Someone on another list asked about using electrolysis on a small steam boiler. What permanent or chemical effects does electrolysis have on the base metal? Someone on the other list mentioned hydrogen embrittelment? I'm asking here because I know that there is some knowledge of the subject on the SEL. Thanks From peter at loud-n-clear.net Fri May 19 12:32:00 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:32:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] electrolysis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01ba01c67b7a$e76b18e0$8335c53e@doc> I'd have to say that in my experience, there isn't a great deal of chance of hydrogen embrittlement at room temperatures. As far as my understanding goes, hydrogen embrittlement is caused by the presence of dissolved atomic hydrogen in solid iron, and the solubility of atomic hydrogen in solid iron below about 200 degrees Centigrade is virtually negligible. The gas produced during electrolysis is molecular hydrogen (H2) and as such has effectively zero solubility in steel at room temperature. The thinner the section, the less the effect of hydrogen on it, as the time taken for hydrogen to diffuse out of the section falls with the reduction in thickness. I worked in welding inspection for fifteen years, until 1989, and unless there has been a great new body of experience since then, the rule of thumb was to post-heat thick sections (> 1" or 25mm) (or at least to control cooling) for 24 hours per inch of thickness at 200 Centigrade, to allow time for any entrained hydrogen to diffuse out of the material. Under an inch of thickness, there usually wasn't much done other than to throw a blanket over the weld, maybe. If you have a critical component, such as a gun barrel or high pressure vessel or receiver, then maybe there is a need to pay more attention to this, but in my opinion, for thin low-stress items, at low temperature, there isn't a great deal of cause for concern. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Andy Glines > Sent: 19 May 2006 19:42 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] electrolysis > > I know that electrolysis is a popular method for cleaninig up > rustry iron > among the ATIS crowd. I have used it a couple of times and I > am a big fan. > Someone on another list asked about using electrolysis on a > small steam > boiler. What permanent or chemical effects does electrolysis > have on the > base metal? Someone on the other list mentioned hydrogen > embrittelment? > I'm asking here because I know that there is some knowledge > of the subject > on the SEL. Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri May 19 12:31:53 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] electrolysis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3217.165.206.180.19.1148067113.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp See the other links there, too......... Please note there is some debate on the stainless steel part - a couple of folks have said and claim to have proof that there is no risk or danger what-so-ever. Me, I'd rather not die of cancer, I'd rather go in my sleep when I'm 99. And I don't want to kill most other folks either, 'specially my neighbors. If I recall, there is some science posted in the above - maybe even a mention of what you are seeking. Been a while since I updated it and I know I have new info to post on there, but here's what I got. Bill > I know that electrolysis is a popular method for cleaninig up rustry iron > among the ATIS crowd. I have used it a couple of times and I am a big > fan. > Someone on another list asked about using electrolysis on a small steam > boiler. What permanent or chemical effects does electrolysis have on the > base metal? Someone on the other list mentioned hydrogen embrittelment? > I'm asking here because I know that there is some knowledge of the subject > on the SEL. Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri May 19 12:51:08 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:51:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Apologies - Ronnie N air Cooled & Engine Manuals In-Reply-To: <200605101600.k4AG04Hl018154@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060519213015.02e471b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, My phone line has been down for the last 10 days or so (Remember - This is Africa) and I've had severe withdrawal symptoms - have not had any engine list mail in that time - it was terrible - I had to resort to drinking much "Brandy and Coke" to fill the time :-) The night before it went down I posted to the list(s) about my new acquisition (air cooled Ronnie N) as well as some manuals I had scanned. I have just downloaded my mail and see a lot of replies for which I thank you all. Please accept my apologies - I will reply to each one, but please give me a day or two to sift through them (nearly 2 weeks of eMail on the server) it took just over an hour to delete all the spam from the server before I could even download the genuine (engine) mail. There were a number of offers of help and I know what it is like to offer help and not get an answer. I trust that you guys will understand the circumstances - I will get back to you. Thanks again for the responses to my posts - I will reply - possibly off list ! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From oiseming at moscow.com Fri May 19 17:16:38 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:16:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] electrolysis In-Reply-To: <01ba01c67b7a$e76b18e0$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <200605200016.k4K0GmaB078083@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Scales Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 12:32 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] electrolysis I'd have to say that in my experience, there isn't a great deal of chance of hydrogen embrittlement at room temperatures. As far as my understanding goes, hydrogen embrittlement is caused by the presence of dissolved atomic hydrogen in solid iron, and the solubility of atomic hydrogen in solid iron below about 200 degrees Centigrade is virtually negligible. The gas produced during electrolysis is molecular hydrogen (H2) and as such has effectively zero solubility in steel at room temperature. The thinner the section, the less the effect of hydrogen on it, as the time taken for hydrogen to diffuse out of the section falls with the reduction in thickness. I worked in welding inspection for fifteen years, until 1989, and unless there has been a great new body of experience since then, the rule of thumb was to post-heat thick sections (> 1" or 25mm) (or at least to control cooling) for 24 hours per inch of thickness at 200 Centigrade, to allow time for any entrained hydrogen to diffuse out of the material. Under an inch of thickness, there usually wasn't much done other than to throw a blanket over the weld, maybe. If you have a critical component, such as a gun barrel or high pressure vessel or receiver, then maybe there is a need to pay more attention to this, but in my opinion, for thin low-stress items, at low temperature, there isn't a great deal of cause for concern. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Whenever a topic comes up, I don't care how it is resolved, as long as it doesn't lead someone down the wrong path. I don't want to sound argumentive, but please allow me to point out the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_embrittlement It says, "The corrosion mechanism begins with hydrogen atoms diffusing through the metal as an interstitial. Hydrogen embrittlement is a room temperature phenomenon where hydrogen present inside the material makes it brittle. High-strength steels, aluminium, and titanium alloys are most susceptible. "Hydrogen embrittlement can happen during various manufacturing operations or operational use, anywhere where the material comes in contact with atomic or molecular hydrogen. Processes which can lead to this include cathodic protection, phosphating, pickling, and electroplating. A special case is arc welding, in which the hydrogen is released from moisture in the coating of the welding electrodes; to minimize this, special low-hydrogen electrodes are used for welding high-strength steels. Other mechanisms of introduction of hydrogen into metal are galvanic corrosion, chemical reactions of metal with acids, or with other chemicals (notably hydrogen sulfide in sulphide stress cracking, or SCC, a process of importance for the oil and gas industries)." I know nothing about hydrogen embrittlement, except what I read on the Internet. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 20 09:17:21 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 18:17:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Apologies - Ronnie N air Cooled & Engine Manuals Message-ID: <200605201827359.SM01368@new.databak.co.za> Hi All, My phone line has been down for the last 10 days or so (Remember - This is Africa) and I've had severe withdrawal symptoms - have not had any engine list mail in that time - it was terrible - I had to resort to drinking much "Brandy and Coke" to fill the time :-) The night before it went down I posted to the list(s) about my new acquisition (air cooled Ronnie N) as well as some manuals I had scanned. I have just downloaded my mail and see a lot of replies for which I thank you all. Please accept my apologies - I will reply to each one, but please give me a day or two to sift through them (nearly 2 weeks of eMail on the server) it took just over an hour to delete all the spam from the server before I could even download the genuine (engine) mail. There were a number of offers of help and I know what it is like to offer help and not get an answer. I trust that you guys will understand the circumstances - I will get back to you. Thanks again for the responses to my posts - I will reply - possibly off list ! Best regards Jerry Evans. Visit our website: www.databak.co.za --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From shop at cccomm.net Sat May 20 13:02:45 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:02:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" References: <446C160A.7060109@mlode.com> Message-ID: <016f01c67c48$5c781160$6401a8c0@Shop> Are you sure it is an "F"? All my books show is a "FW" which fits inside the flywheel of engines, but don't show a Witte application. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" > Hi All - > > Anybody out there in iron land ever see literature available for a Wico > "F" mag? This little Witte "U" that I recently picked up in a group of > engines I acquired, uses the Wico. The mag is located in the hub of the > off side flywheel. The engine itself is a runner, just needing the normal > slack taken out of all the bearings. Thanks in advance! > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat May 20 17:35:03 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 20:35:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 Message-ID: <1148171703.446fb5b7699df@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Well, it looks like it's a rumor no longer. The BYB Volume 2 is ready to go. Check it out: http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/36903 BOOK FS: BYB Volume 2 (Iowa) Advertised By: Charles Wendel Date: Monday, 15 May 2006, at 9:13 p.m. American Gas Engines Volume 2 is completed! 416 pages of all different engines than Volume 1. The new book is hardcover and matches the original one like we reprinted a year ago. We have no idea how many to get printed, so here's the deal: The book will sell at $60, but we will pay the postage if you send us your prepublication order. That's $60 postpaid in the US. Or, if you need to replace Volume 1, we will give you a special deal of $110 for both Volume 1 and Volume 2, and we'll ship them to you together, postage paid! We hope Volume 2 to be ready the end of June. BYB 1 AND BYB 2 will give you a thousand pages of engines! Cash, check or money order, no PayPal or credit cards or open accounts. C. H. Wendel, The Prairie Press, 4415 F Street, Amana, Iowa 52203 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From segray at mlode.com Sat May 20 21:08:50 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 21:08:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" In-Reply-To: <016f01c67c48$5c781160$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <446C160A.7060109@mlode.com> <016f01c67c48$5c781160$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <446FE7D2.60604@mlode.com> Hi Dave - Yeah, this is a new one to me, it's the only rotary mag I've ever seen from Wico. The Witte it's on is somewhat of an odd ball, for that matter. I should have put these pics up earlier. The armature, nothing more than a section of the laminated core, is pressed onto a bronze sleeve and includes the adjustable cam to operate the points. This assembly is mounted on a steel tube that is part of the stationary mag base plate. Similar to the EK and PR mags, the armature lines up with the laminated core, in this case, with 6 bar magnets at the top behind the name plate. When the flywheel is mounted on the crank, a pin screwed into the flywheel engages a small drive hole in the armature and rotates it in unison with the crankshaft. Different to say the least! Try these: WicoF1 WicoF1A WicoF1B WicoF2 Witte1 Witte2 Witte3 Witte4 - Best regards, Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dave Ernst wrote: > Are you sure it is an "F"? All my books show is a "FW" which fits > inside the flywheel of engines, but don't show a Witte application. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:36 PM > Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat May 20 22:33:06 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:33:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hyliard transport Message-ID: Hi All, hoping someone can shed some light on this transport a friend recently found,He is pretty sure it had an engine on it originally,it is a hyliard? transport made in melbourne,this firm was a big producer of wagons ect,does anyone know what engines were put on these transports,thanks Dave _________________________________________________________________ Search for local singles online @ Lavalife - Click here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D22141&_t=751140432&_r=emailtagline_may_search&_m=EXT From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat May 20 22:49:46 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 22:49:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" Message-ID: <20060520.224946.1360.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Boy is that ever different. Never saw a Witte like that before. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 20 May 2006 21:08:50 -0700 Steve Gray writes: > Hi Dave - > > Yeah, this is a new one to me, it's the only rotary mag I've ever > > seen from Wico. The Witte it's on is somewhat of an odd ball, for > that > matter. I should have put these pics up earlier. The armature, > nothing > more than a section of the laminated core, is pressed onto a bronze > > sleeve and includes the adjustable cam to operate the points. This > assembly is mounted on a steel tube that is part of the stationary > mag > base plate. Similar to the EK and PR mags, the armature lines up > with > the laminated core, in this case, with 6 bar magnets at the top > behind > the name plate. When the flywheel is mounted on the crank, a pin > screwed > into the flywheel engages a small drive hole in the armature and > rotates > it in unison with the crankshaft. Different to say the least! > > Try these: > > WicoF1 > WicoF1A > WicoF1B > WicoF2 > Witte1 > Witte2 > Witte3 > Witte4 > > - Best regards, > > Steve From segray at mlode.com Sat May 20 23:26:18 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 23:26:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" In-Reply-To: <20060520.224946.1360.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060520.224946.1360.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4470080A.7040007@mlode.com> According to the serial number, built in 1932. I've heard of 3 other U's, all on the central coast, but have never seen one at a show. One of those was for sale in Paso Robles last month, but it had a different variation of the mag. Still Wico, I think. -Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >Boy is that ever different. Never saw a Witte like that before. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 21 00:34:42 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 17:34:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Quirindi Pics Message-ID: <20060521073445.QMLJ27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Edd Payne took a few pictures when he attended the Quirindi rally a couple of weeks ago. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/q06.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun May 21 01:02:19 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 18:02:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE-Engine Cleaner Message-ID: <000b01c67cac$e291c160$62f2eedc@fred> Hi, Thanks to all who replied about how to clean our Blackstone,we ended up using dishwasher liquid and our hands,I have put a photo of the first clean on our photo site at http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ thanks for all the advice and information. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun May 21 02:59:39 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 17:59:39 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Hyliard transport References: Message-ID: <000901c67cbd$4a86cfd0$3af731cb@ogborneuah38i3> David ...interesting link ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: [SEL] Hyliard transport > Hi All, hoping someone can shed some light on this transport a friend > recently found,He is pretty sure it had an engine on it originally,it is a > hyliard? transport made in melbourne,this firm was a big producer of > wagons ect,does anyone know what engines were put on these > transports,thanks Dave > > _________________________________________________________________ > Search for local singles online @ Lavalife - Click here > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D22141&_t=751140432&_r=emailtagline_may_search&_m=EXT > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun May 21 03:38:58 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 11:38:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hyliard transport References: Message-ID: <001601c67cc2$c5d491e0$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: [SEL] Hyliard transport > Hi All, hoping someone can shed some light on this transport a friend recently found,He is pretty sure it had an engine on it > originally,it is a hyliard? transport made in melbourne,this firm was a big producer of wagons ect,does anyone know what engines > were put on these transports,thanks Dave > > _________________________________________________________________ > Search for local singles online @ Lavalife - Click here > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D22141&_t=751140432&_r=emailtagline_may_search&_m=EXT Hi Dave, the link you quoted takes me to an Australian dating agency. Is it "Transports of Delight" you are referring to? Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun May 21 04:39:05 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 11:39:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 Message-ID: <052120061139.29878.44705159000B6862000074B6219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Gee Arnie maybe we should contact Wendel and ask him for a group price for everybody on the list.....never know might get a break on price for quantity. Curt > Hi Folks, > > Well, it looks like it's a rumor no longer. The BYB Volume 2 is ready to go. > Check it out: http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/36903 > > BOOK FS: BYB Volume 2 (Iowa) > > Advertised By: Charles Wendel > Date: Monday, 15 May 2006, at 9:13 p.m. > > American Gas Engines Volume 2 is completed! 416 pages of all different engines > than Volume 1. The new book is hardcover and matches the original one like we > reprinted a year ago. We have no idea how many to get printed, so here's the > deal: The book will sell at $60, but we will pay the postage if you send us > your prepublication order. That's $60 postpaid in the US. Or, if you need to > replace Volume 1, we will give you a special deal of $110 for both Volume 1 and > Volume 2, and we'll ship them to you together, postage paid! We hope Volume 2 > to be ready the end of June. BYB 1 AND BYB 2 will give you a thousand pages of > engines! Cash, check or money order, no PayPal or credit cards or open > accounts. C. H. Wendel, The Prairie Press, 4415 F Street, Amana, Iowa 52203 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun May 21 05:29:52 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 05:29:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE-Engine Cleaner In-Reply-To: <000b01c67cac$e291c160$62f2eedc@fred> Message-ID: <000b01c67cd2$445fe730$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Thanks to all who replied about how to clean our > Blackstone,we ended up using dishwasher liquid and our > hands,I have put a photo of the first clean on our photo site > at http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ thanks for all > the advice and information. Hi Brian and David, Every time I visit your web page I end up drooling all over the keyboard; that's a sweet pile of iron you guys have. The finish on your Blackie is incredible! Who would have guessed all that original paint was preserved underneath that coating of dirt? In the picture of the engine while it is still in the enginehouse, there is a tray beneath the air inlet for the fuel mixer. What's the procedure for using that? Rob From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun May 21 05:48:36 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 22:48:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Quirindi Pics References: <20060521073445.QMLJ27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002301c67cd4$e1150540$d784dccb@oemcomputer> Thanks for putting the pics up Patrick.I missed the most important engine there.MY FOOs JR.It was a real good rally with nice engines,tractors and many working displays.They even had a 5" gauge miniature railway in operation.I can recommend it for next year for those interested in going. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 5:34 Subject: [SEL] Quirindi Pics > Edd Payne took a few pictures when he attended the Quirindi rally a couple > of weeks ago. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/q06.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 21 05:55:06 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 22:55:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE-Engine Cleaner In-Reply-To: <000b01c67cd2$445fe730$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <20060521125507.QFWD1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Rob, The tray is the lamp stand twisted out of position. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- In the picture of the engine while it is still in the enginehouse, there is a tray beneath the air inlet for the fuel mixer. What's the procedure for using that? Rob From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 21 05:59:10 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 22:59:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE-Engine Cleaner In-Reply-To: <000b01c67cac$e291c160$62f2eedc@fred> Message-ID: <20060521125910.VYEM27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Nice original paint Brian. A very nice engine to have. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi, Thanks to all who replied about how to clean our Blackstone,we ended up using dishwasher liquid and our hands,I have put a photo of the first clean on our photo site at http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ thanks for all the advice and information. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 From shop at cccomm.net Sun May 21 07:13:45 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 07:13:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" References: <20060520.224946.1360.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <4470080A.7040007@mlode.com> Message-ID: <019401c67ce0$c5cfdb50$6401a8c0@Shop> Sorry, I can't help. All my Wico manuals start in the 1950's. That double pole condenser is not that uncommon. The one I have here has a Wico part number 12X235. Hope that helps. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico "F" > According to the serial number, built in 1932. I've heard of 3 other U's, > all on the central coast, but have never seen one at a show. One of those > was for sale in Paso Robles last month, but it had a different variation > of the mag. Still Wico, I think. > > -Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > >>Boy is that ever different. Never saw a Witte like that before. >> >>Ron Haskell >>rdhaskell at juno.com >>Riverside, California >>USA >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 21 06:44:07 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 09:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" In-Reply-To: <446FE7D2.60604@mlode.com> References: <446C160A.7060109@mlode.com> <016f01c67c48$5c781160$6401a8c0@Shop> <446FE7D2.60604@mlode.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, That's indeed an interesting critter. About what year was that Witte built; I'm guessing 30's? See ya, Arnie On Sat, 20 May 2006, Steve Gray wrote: > Yeah, this is a new one to me, it's the only rotary mag I've ever > seen from Wico. The Witte it's on is somewhat of an odd ball, for that > matter. From nick at holden1.net Sun May 21 07:51:41 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:51:41 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] New engine Message-ID: <44707E7D.000003.02688@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi all Just picked my new engine 1hp R&V Photos on webshots Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun May 21 10:20:25 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 19:20:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" Message-ID: <200605211925187.SM00960@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, Freezing weather here but I managed to start stripping the Wolseley R (1928). So far so good - cylinder barrel and head came off fine. 2 stuck rings and 1 loose - no sign of wear in the cylinder (but still dirty and not had a micrometer to it yet). The loose ring seems to fit fine in the cylinder and can be used again. Big ends and mains seem good. Stripped off the con rod and removed the piston which is now soaking in a bucket of paraffin - hopefully those stuck rings will be loose quite soon (one of them popped out halfway while I was removing the gudgeon pin) so all looks good. I broke 2 bolts on the exhaust side of the hotbox while getting it off and 2 others were rusted so thin that it's a wonder they did not also break of - small thing to just drill the studs out and retap the holes. Looks like an easy restoration. One question - the gear on the maggy is breaking up pretty badly (unuseable again) - was this made from leather? It is "flaking" apart like a really old phenolic gear but I do not think that phenolic was around in 1928. Could it have been made from leather? Whatever it was made from was obviously as a safety feature (as in "shear bolt") to prevent damage to anything else, but why on the magneto which is a free running unit at the end of the "power train" ? I will study it more carefully on Wednesday ( and probably post some pics). I'm off on a trip tomorrow so will probably get back to the engine over the weekend - I will keep you informed. Thanks to all the Aussies who sent me info about this engine - it came in useful today as I referred to the parts manual quite often. Keep well. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun May 21 11:07:09 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:07:09 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 In-Reply-To: <200605211600.k4LG03bs010981@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, If you get a deal on this book I would like to get a few copies here (maybe 3) = I logged on to the site in Arnies post and typed out an email to Wendel but the site refused to send it and I just got error messages. I'm registered with Paypal to send money to anyone in the world who has email (thanks to Arnie and the Ruston Hornsby rescue for the Internal Fire Museum (Paul Evans) but cannot pay direct through PayPal - for some or other reason they do not recognise South Africa !. I'm not overly concerned with getting a discount on the book (although always welcome) but if any of you guys would be prepared to order it for me (posted to South Africa - and maybe 3 or more copies) then I would remit the money to you first and once you have it you could send the books to me - is that fair or not? Best regards Jerry Evans At 06:00 PM 21/05/2006, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 11:39:05 +0000 >From: cgandree at mchsi.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 > >Gee Arnie maybe we should contact Wendel and ask him for a group price for >everybody on the list.....never know might get a break on price for quantity. >Curt > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Well, it looks like it's a rumor no longer. The BYB Volume 2 is ready > to go. > > Check it out: http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/36903 > > > > BOOK FS: BYB Volume 2 (Iowa) > > > > Advertised By: Charles Wendel > > Date: Monday, 15 May 2006, at 9:13 p.m. > > > > American Gas Engines Volume 2 is completed! 416 pages of all different > engines > > than Volume 1. The new book is hardcover and matches the original one > like we > > reprinted a year ago. We have no idea how many to get printed, so > here's the > > deal: The book will sell at $60, but we will pay the postage if you send us > > your prepublication order. That's $60 postpaid in the US. Or, if you > need to > > replace Volume 1, we will give you a special deal of $110 for both > Volume 1 and > > Volume 2, and we'll ship them to you together, postage paid! We hope > Volume 2 > > to be ready the end of June. BYB 1 AND BYB 2 will give you a thousand > pages of > > engines! Cash, check or money order, no PayPal or credit cards or open > > accounts. C. H. Wendel, The Prairie Press, 4415 F Street, Amana, Iowa > 52203 > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com Best regards Jerry Evans. Visit our website: www.databak.co.za --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun May 21 11:42:28 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:42:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" Message-ID: <428.1be5d42.31a20e94@aol.com> Dave, Thanks for all the help and effort. Francis -------------------------------1148236948 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From oiseming at moscow.com Sun May 21 13:21:29 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 13:21:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" In-Reply-To: <200605211925187.SM00960@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <200605212021.k4LKLeEP005289@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:20 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" Snip One question - the gear on the maggy is breaking up pretty badly (unuseable again) - was this made from leather? It is "flaking" apart like a really old phenolic gear but I do not think that phenolic was around in 1928. Could it have been made from leather? Whatever it was made from was obviously as a safety feature (as in "shear bolt") to prevent damage to anything else, but why on the magneto which is a free running unit at the end of the "power train" ? I will study it more carefully on Wednesday ( and probably post some pics). Snip Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans ~~~~~~~~~ Don't count this as the definitive answer, but I'll mention that Model A Ford timing gears (circa 1928 -1931) were made of "fiber." I cannot say for sure whether it was phenolic-bonded, but I'm fairly certain it was. Phenol gears were probably used to keep noise levels down. I'm sure there are wear advantages, as well. I think it improbable that you have a leather gear. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From jbcast at charter.net Sun May 21 13:29:37 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 13:29:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] poster engine in GEM Message-ID: <824087174.1148243377501.JavaMail.root@fepweb06> Mystic Seaport Museum chose my engine as it's poster engine this year. It's on page 36 of the new GEM. This engine is a Fisherman marine engine, 6hp, 6oolbs, sideshaft, reversible, 4cycle engine. It was actually manufactured by Domestic. The engine was buried in the mud by the flood of 1973, remained there for over 20 years when someone rembered it, dug it up, gave it to a friend and it was passed on to me. All of the steel parts had to be remanufactured, the castings were badly pitted, I filled them in a little to make it respectable. The piston and rod were missing, used a F-M rod, bored the cylinder .125 over to 5 1/8" and made a piston. I had to put seats and guides in the head, welded extensions on auto valves and threaded them. The biggest challenge was making the helical gear for the sideshaft, my first attempt at gearmaking. It's a crowd pleaser, people aren't used to seeing a 4 cycle running either way. I started an article for GEM, but I'm not as fast as Arnie with my reports. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun May 21 15:25:04 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:25:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" References: <200605211925187.SM00960@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <002601c67d25$69786e40$d885dccb@oemcomputer> Hi Jerry.They were made of fibre.I have made many for customers and use iron and it works fine with no noise.I have also used tufnul and it is good also but not sure of it durability but have had no complaints. Only did this when customer stipulated it for appearance sake. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 3:20 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" > Hi Guys, > Freezing weather here but I managed to start stripping the > Wolseley R (1928). > > > So far so good - cylinder barrel and head came off fine. 2 stuck > rings and 1 loose - no sign of wear in the cylinder (but still dirty and > not had a micrometer to it yet). The loose ring seems to fit fine in the > cylinder and can be used again. > Big ends and mains seem good. > Stripped off the con rod and removed the piston which is now > soaking in a bucket of paraffin - hopefully those stuck rings will be loose > quite soon (one of them popped out halfway while I was removing the gudgeon > pin) so all looks good. > I broke 2 bolts on the exhaust side of the hotbox while getting it > off and 2 others were rusted so thin that it's a wonder they did not also > break of - small thing to just drill the studs out and retap the holes. > Looks like an easy restoration. > One question - the gear on the maggy is breaking up pretty badly > (unuseable again) - was this made from leather? It is "flaking" apart like > a really old phenolic gear but I do not think that phenolic was around in > 1928. Could it have been made from leather? Whatever it was made from was > obviously as a safety feature (as in "shear bolt") to prevent damage to > anything else, but why on the magneto which is a free running unit at the > end of the "power train" ? I will study it more carefully on Wednesday ( > and probably post some pics). > > I'm off on a trip tomorrow so will probably get back to the engine > over the weekend - I will keep you informed. > > Thanks to all the Aussies who sent me info about this engine - it > came in useful today as I referred to the parts manual quite often. > > Keep well. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Sun May 21 18:32:18 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 18:32:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" In-Reply-To: <200605212021.k4LKLeEP005289@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <200605220132.k4M1WWdQ095273@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:20 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" Snip One question - the gear on the maggy is breaking up pretty badly (unuseable again) - was this made from leather? It is "flaking" apart like a really old phenolic gear but I do not think that phenolic was around in 1928. Could it have been made from leather? Whatever it was made from was obviously as a safety feature (as in "shear bolt") to prevent damage to anything else, but why on the magneto which is a free running unit at the end of the "power train" ? I will study it more carefully on Wednesday ( and probably post some pics). Snip Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans ~~~~~~~~~ Interestingly, today I came across a passage in Air Commodore F.R. Banks' book, "I Kept No Diary," that mentions the use of composite gears, circa 1914: "In those days, a number of marine engines had exposed timing gears, among them the Brooke engines which had the half speed (camshaft) wheel of compressed and impregnated fabric sandwiched between bronze side pieces. They were quite silent and reliable in operation." Quite off topic, but very interesting is the first half of the paragraph: "It was at this meeting that I saw a large bearded mechanic, who was with one of the French entrants, take a stripped timing wheel, mark out the teeth on a steel disc or blank he had got from Nice and then, filing throughout the night, he formed all the teeth for a new camshaft gear which he fitted to his engine in time for a race the next day." Anyone with a familiarity of machine shop work will say that is a remarkable achievement! Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun May 21 19:34:32 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 19:34:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" References: <200605220132.k4M1WWdQ095273@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <004301c67d48$423ab9a0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Orrin, It could also be why the original gear failed. I don't care how good somebody is with a file, it is just not possible to get a good enough tooth form to have a long life. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net Quite off topic, but very interesting is the first half of the paragraph: "It was at this meeting that I saw a large bearded mechanic, who was with one of the French entrants, take a stripped timing wheel, mark out the teeth on a steel disc or blank he had got from Nice and then, filing throughout the night, he formed all the teeth for a new camshaft gear which he fitted to his engine in time for a race the next day." Anyone with a familiarity of machine shop work will say that is a remarkable achievement! Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun May 21 20:09:27 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:09:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" References: <200605220132.k4M1WWdQ095273@mail-gw.fsr.net> <004301c67d48$423ab9a0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <000f01c67d4d$24099780$8284dccb@oemcomputer> Well.How about all the farm machinery the has unmachined cast gears and some engines also.These last a long time ,some I have seen are 100 years old and still going.Try the gears on most traction engines, steam rollers and many old tractors these are not machined.The Otto langdon engine in the Sydney power house museum has hand cut gears.You can still see the centre pop marks and scriber marks from the marking out after 100 plus years and they are a work of art done by a very skilled tradesman.A local bloke hand cut a gear for a 3hp M IHC mag and it will outlast any of us and runs with no noise. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 12:34 Subject: Re: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" > Hi Orrin, > > It could also be why the original gear failed. I don't care how good > somebody is with a file, it is just not possible to get a good enough tooth > form to have a long life. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA , U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > Quite off topic, but very interesting is the first half of the paragraph: > > "It was at this meeting that I saw a large bearded mechanic, who was with > one of the French entrants, take a stripped timing wheel, mark out the teeth > on a steel disc or blank he had got from Nice and then, filing throughout > the night, he formed all the teeth for a new camshaft gear which he fitted > to his engine in time for a race the next day." > > Anyone with a familiarity of machine shop work will say that is a remarkable > achievement! > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frazer.ben at gmail.com Sun May 21 20:31:26 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:31:26 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" In-Reply-To: <000f01c67d4d$24099780$8284dccb@oemcomputer> References: <200605220132.k4M1WWdQ095273@mail-gw.fsr.net> <004301c67d48$423ab9a0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <000f01c67d4d$24099780$8284dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6f6bb9400605212031p67491034uf86ff5ccf91fd8f4@mail.gmail.com> I agree with you Edd, there is a big difference between what is 'possible' and what is not. I believe it isn't easy to hand cut gears as I have done it with rough blanks for a 6hp IHC Famous water pump which had the incorrect DP on the teeth because I didn't have the correct cutter when I was machining them. Having said this, with perseverance it is definately possible and the 6hp Famous pump works well now. Maybe Jim needs more practice with a file because, with time and care you can produce almost anything to the utmost standard. Ben Frazer, Ballarat Vic Australia, Residing in Kuala Lumpur Malaysia From oiseming at moscow.com Sun May 21 20:51:40 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:51:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" In-Reply-To: <004301c67d48$423ab9a0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <200605220352.k4M3psTa084331@mail-gw.fsr.net> You could very well be right, Jim; but, you've gotta give the guy an "A" for effort! Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim and Diane Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:35 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" Hi Orrin, It could also be why the original gear failed. I don't care how good somebody is with a file, it is just not possible to get a good enough tooth form to have a long life. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net Quite off topic, but very interesting is the first half of the paragraph: "It was at this meeting that I saw a large bearded mechanic, who was with one of the French entrants, take a stripped timing wheel, mark out the teeth on a steel disc or blank he had got from Nice and then, filing throughout the night, he formed all the teeth for a new camshaft gear which he fitted to his engine in time for a race the next day." Anyone with a familiarity of machine shop work will say that is a remarkable achievement! Orrin From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon May 22 01:36:07 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:36:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I am sure there are at least six over here who would be in any deal Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 > Hi All, > If you get a deal on this book I would like to get a few copies > here (maybe 3) = I logged on to the site in Arnies post and typed out an > email to Wendel but the site refused to send it and I just got error > messages. > I'm registered with Paypal to send money to anyone in the world > who has email (thanks to Arnie and the Ruston Hornsby rescue for the > Internal Fire Museum (Paul Evans) but cannot pay direct through PayPal - > for some or other reason they do not recognise South Africa !. > > I'm not overly concerned with getting a discount on the book > (although always welcome) but if any of you guys would be prepared to > order it for me (posted to South Africa - and maybe 3 or more copies) then > I would remit the money to you first and once you have it you could send > the books to me - is that fair or not? > Best regards > Jerry Evans > > At 06:00 PM 21/05/2006, you wrote: >>Message: 12 >>Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 11:39:05 +0000 >>From: cgandree at mchsi.com >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 >> >>Gee Arnie maybe we should contact Wendel and ask him for a group price for >>everybody on the list.....never know might get a break on price for >>quantity. >>Curt >> >> >> > Hi Folks, >> > >> > Well, it looks like it's a rumor no longer. The BYB Volume 2 is ready >> to go. >> > Check it out: http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/36903 >> > >> > BOOK FS: BYB Volume 2 (Iowa) >> > >> > Advertised By: Charles Wendel >> > Date: Monday, 15 May 2006, at 9:13 p.m. >> > >> > American Gas Engines Volume 2 is completed! 416 pages of all different >> engines >> > than Volume 1. The new book is hardcover and matches the original one >> like we >> > reprinted a year ago. We have no idea how many to get printed, so >> here's the >> > deal: The book will sell at $60, but we will pay the postage if you >> > send us >> > your prepublication order. That's $60 postpaid in the US. Or, if you >> need to >> > replace Volume 1, we will give you a special deal of $110 for both >> Volume 1 and >> > Volume 2, and we'll ship them to you together, postage paid! We hope >> Volume 2 >> > to be ready the end of June. BYB 1 AND BYB 2 will give you a thousand >> pages of >> > engines! Cash, check or money order, no PayPal or credit cards or open >> > accounts. C. H. Wendel, The Prairie Press, 4415 F Street, Amana, Iowa >> 52203 >> > >> > See ya, Arnie >> > >> > Arnie Fero >> > Pittsburgh, PA >> > fero_ah at city-net.com > > Best regards > Jerry Evans. > > Visit our website: www.databak.co.za > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon May 22 03:36:07 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:36:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New engine Message-ID: <052220061036.2089.44719417000D7EB300000829219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Nick, That is one nice looking engine. Did you register her with Peter Lowe yet? Curt Andree From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon May 22 05:48:47 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:48:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] A very usefull Engine work site Message-ID: <000b01c67d9e$12af7030$3ac10b52@no1> The post below was to the English Engine list & I found Simon's info & pictures to be very good. He said I can pass it on to the lists so see below. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gents, You may be interested in seeing a few photos showing how I made an oil scraper ring for a 3/1. Start at this photo - http://simon-wass.fotopic.net/p29266221.html and theres 19 more. 1" of 100mm cast iron and about 5 hours later, I have a ring! I need to make a set of 40thou oversize rings and another scraper ring for my 3/1. I have found the previous owner of my 3/1 has fitted a standard set to a 40thou piston, this leaves a gap of 0.140" instead of 12 - 16thou. The bit of iron will only do 3 rings so it'll have to do, putting the 3 correct size ones to the top. regards, Simon http://simon-wass.fotopic.net/c755015.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ He doesn't just cover rings, see the rest of his site. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon May 22 06:33:53 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:33:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> Howdy all, This is not stationary engine related but it's a mechanics tip that saved the day for me on Saturday so I thought I would pass it on so y'all can put it into your bag of tricks. This weekend Lincoln, Roger (my father-in-law) and I set out to replace the harmonic balancer (aka crankshaft pulley) on my Toyota pickup. Well, try as we did we were unable to keep the pulley from turning to break the bolt free that held the pulley on. We tried blocking the tires, holding the break and using the drive train to keep it still, getting pry bars in behind the pullley, etc. etc. and nothing seemed to work. So, we set off to Ace Hardware to get a chain wrench (like the ones that plumbers use) to hopefully be able to hold the pulley in place to break the bolt loose. Ace didn't have one but the helper sent us to another place that might. That place didn't have one either but a genuine shade tree mechanic looking fellow said to solidly brace the wrench up against the frame and then bump the starter to break the bolt free. We crinkled our brows, asked a few more questions and then proceeded on to the local mechanic that they said may be able to help us out. Well, the local mechanic gave us the same advice about using the starter. So with two independent mechanic types giving us the same advice we set off to try it out. With a 6-point half-inch drive socket attached to a break-over wrench in a cheater pipe firmly in place up against the frame, I bumped the starter and in a split second the bolt was loose and we were home free! Life was good, pass the shim stock! See ya', Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 22 07:26:43 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:26:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> Hey Mike, how did you assure you got it equally tight on reassembly? I have to remove the harmonic balancer on the Volvo everytime I change the timing belt and am darned lucky that the impact wrench just fits in the space between the back of the radiator and the balancer! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. SIAM's just around the corner. How's the sawrig coming along? Michael Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > This is not stationary engine related but it's a mechanics tip that > saved the day for me on Saturday so I thought I would pass it on so > y'all can put it into your bag of tricks. This weekend Lincoln, Roger > (my father-in-law) and I set out to replace the harmonic balancer (aka > crankshaft pulley) on my Toyota pickup. Well, try as we did we were > unable to keep the pulley from turning to break the bolt free that > held the pulley on. We tried blocking the tires, holding the break > and using the drive train to keep it still, getting pry bars in behind > the pullley, etc. etc. and nothing seemed to work. So, we set off to > Ace Hardware to get a chain wrench (like the ones that plumbers use) > to hopefully be able to hold the pulley in place to break the bolt > loose. Ace didn't have one but the helper sent us to another place > that might. That place didn't have one either but a genuine shade > tree mechanic looking fellow said to solidly brace the wrench up > against the frame and then bump the starter to break the bolt free. > We crinkled our brows, asked a few more questions and then proceeded > on to the local mechanic that they said may be able to help us out. > Well, the local mechanic gave us the same advice about using the > starter. So with two independent mechanic types giving us the same > advice we set off to try it out. With a 6-point half-inch drive > socket attached to a break-over wrench in a cheater pipe firmly in > place up against the frame, I bumped the starter and in a split second > the bolt was loose and we were home free! Life was good, pass the > shim stock! > > See ya', > Mike > > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky USA > _____________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From shop at cccomm.net Mon May 22 08:09:06 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:09:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> I've been wanting to do this project for some time. I finally got to the point I had no floor space to store more engines and that was hampering my desire in this hobby. So, off to the auction at Wall-Mart. This was a small town then came the box store. A few years later the store wasn't big enuf so now we have a Super Box Store, with the contents of the old one sold at auction. It's interesting at auctions where there are lots of the same thing such as shelving. The bidding starts on say one unit of shelving and ends with "how many do you want at that price?" First pallet rack (2 ends, 6 cross pieces) went for $280. The guy took about 6 of them. Next bid, $280? No, $250? no, $225? yea, some sold. Next, $200? no an so on. I bought 5 for $50 per. Put them up yesterday and now have lots of room. Sorry I didn't do this long ago. If interested there are some pictures here; http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32188514&f= Dave From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon May 22 08:40:48 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:40:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip In-Reply-To: <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522113408.020b0e00@alltel.net> >Hey Mike, how did you assure you got it equally tight on reassembly? As per the mechanic guy, we used Loc-tite on the bolt and Roger stood on the brake and I used the break-over with a cheater and got it as tight as I could (I've got the sore muscles to prove it!). It didn't fly apart on the way to work this morning so hopefully it's tight enough! >P.S. SIAM's just around the corner. How's the sawrig coming along? Is it just me or is that clock ticking faster :-)! I'm not sure that it will be finished enough to saw wood with it but the Famous will at least sit there and chuff away. What are the dates for SIAM anyway? See ya', Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 22 09:02:41 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:02:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522113408.020b0e00@alltel.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522113408.020b0e00@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4471E0A1.4070107@imc-group.com> Michael Tucker wrote: > Is it just me or is that clock ticking faster :-)! I'm not sure that > it will be finished enough to saw wood with it but the Famous will at > least sit there and chuff away. Mike, For Lincoln's show-and-tell your father in law had a source for cedar trees. The left overs lasted us a few years at out local shows but I'm out now. Any chance you can bring some with you so I'll have some to saw on the 8HP saw rig? Unless the SIAM club has a source for cedar.....Glenn, Keith??? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > What are the dates for SIAM anyway? > > See ya', > Mike From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 22 09:10:23 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:10:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long In-Reply-To: <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com> Dave, Nice, clean looking storage there. Envious of your fork lift! Is that a tractor in your shop =-O Curt Dave Ernst wrote: > > If interested there are some pictures here; > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32188514&f= > From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 22 09:37:26 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:37:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Quirindi Pics/ now inquiry about girder frame engines..... In-Reply-To: <000c01c67cd2$f6d5a210$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <000c01c67cd2$f6d5a210$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <4471E8C6.3090204@imc-group.com> Rob, They were quick to identify the Star engine for you. Star engines were one of the engines I was quite facinated with. We saw a few and here is a picture of one. Don't know if all Star engines are girder frame engines but the ones we saw were. Aside from the huge Hornsby Ackroyd's we saw I believe these are the only girder frame engines I've ever seen. So experts, tell us, besides Hornsby Ackroyds and Star, who else made girder frame engines? Any in the US? Europe? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Rob Skinner wrote: > rally a couple of weeks ago. Take a look at: > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/q06.html >> >> From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon May 22 10:54:49 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:54:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long In-Reply-To: <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4471FAE9.9090009@wightman.ca> That is a very nice tractor in his shop. :-) What are the yellow engines up top? Duncan Curt wrote: > > Is that a tractor in your shop =-O -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From rbackus at ogdenpubs.com Mon May 22 09:59:33 2006 From: rbackus at ogdenpubs.com (Richard Backus) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:59:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 26, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: <200605221600.k4MG04bs001934@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Best method without the special tool is to remove the starter and lock the crank with a pry bar or large screw driver lodged between the teeth on the flywheel/flex plate. Then you can set the bolt to specified torque. Richard > From: > Reply-To: > Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:00:05 -0400 > To: > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 26, Issue 22 > > As per the mechanic guy, we used Loc-tite on the bolt and Roger stood > on the brake and I used the break-over with a cheater and got it as > tight as I could (I've got the sore muscles to prove it!). It didn't > fly apart on the way to work this morning so hopefully it's tight enough! From nick at holden1.net Mon May 22 10:15:03 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:15:03 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] New engine References: <052220061036.2089.44719417000D7EB300000829219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4471F197.000008.00536@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Curt Yes just been doing that with peter thanks And yes I think it looks good glad you like it Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: cgandree at mchsi.com Date: 05/22/06 11:49:58 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New engine Hi Nick, That is one nice looking engine. Did you register her with Peter Lowe yet? Curt Andree _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon May 22 10:59:01 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:59:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip In-Reply-To: <4471E0A1.4070107@imc-group.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522113408.020b0e00@alltel.net> <4471E0A1.4070107@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522135618.020e93f0@alltel.net> >For Lincoln's show-and-tell your father in law had a source for >cedar trees. The left overs lasted us a few years at out local shows >but I'm out now. Any chance you can bring some with you so I'll have >some to saw on the 8HP saw rig? Maybe, I'll check to see if the source is still there. But, someone is going to have to tell me the dates for the SIAM show so we can arrange for delivery! >> What are the dates for SIAM anyway? _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 22 11:18:23 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:18:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long In-Reply-To: <4471FAE9.9090009@wightman.ca> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com> <4471FAE9.9090009@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4472006F.5030305@imc-group.com> Duncan, The yellow leads me to think a Bohon.....I'm curious to know too. Curt Duncan Denman wrote: > That is a very nice tractor in his shop. :-) > What are the yellow engines up top? > > Duncan > > Curt wrote: > >> >> Is that a tractor in your shop =-O > > > > From jbcast at charter.net Mon May 22 15:59:27 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:59:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip Message-ID: <369153248.1148338767532.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> > > As per the mechanic guy, we used Loc-tite on the bolt and Roger stood > on the brake and I used the break-over with a cheater and got it as > tight as I could (I've got the sore muscles to prove it!). It didn't > fly apart on the way to work this morning so hopefully it's tight enough! Harmonic balancers should be torqued to specs, locktite will keep the bolt from unscrewing but does nothing to keep the pulley from waddling out. The key is only for indexing, the bolt and washer captures everything and makes it as one when properly tightened. On a manual trans you can put it in overdrive and hold the brake, on an auto you can put air in the cylinder. J.B.Castagnos From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon May 22 16:06:25 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:06:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem Message-ID: <010601c67df4$5a65c8b0$240110ac@PAUL2> Folks I got a call from my baby sister today telling me that the plastic gas tank on her Sear's riding mower had come apart at the seam in the middle where the upper half is joined to the lower half. There is just a small place where the seam has let go. If she fills the tank past half full then gas runs out the side of the tank and is dangerous. Is there something that I cam recommend that she can get at the local automotive parts store that she can use to seal up the area where the tank has separated? Thanks, Paul From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon May 22 16:22:56 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:22:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New engine In-Reply-To: <44707E7D.000003.02688@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <20060522232254.EPCQ24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Nice engine, though I am a little biased towards R&Vs :) My little 1hp has the hammer style governor rather than the flyball style but the rest of the engine is the same. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rvindex.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all Just picked my new engine 1hp R&V Photos on webshots Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From b2 at chooka.net Mon May 22 17:01:40 2006 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:01:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem In-Reply-To: <010601c67df4$5a65c8b0$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <200605221901963.SM02740@wrbpc> Paul, I'd either get another tank, or see if you can split it the rest of the way apart and then use epoxy to put it back together. There are sealers available, but from what you describe I'd be afraid there would be movement of the parts and the seal wouldn't stay. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 6:06 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem Folks I got a call from my baby sister today telling me that the plastic gas tank on her Sear's riding mower had come apart at the seam in the middle where the upper half is joined to the lower half. There is just a small place where the seam has let go. If she fills the tank past half full then gas runs out the side of the tank and is dangerous. Is there something that I cam recommend that she can get at the local automotive parts store that she can use to seal up the area where the tank has separated? Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon May 22 17:32:17 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:32:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem References: <010601c67df4$5a65c8b0$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <00e501c67e00$58cf2cb0$0100007f@Ed> Hi Paul, What is the Sears mower or engine number. I have a pile of tanks. I would not try to fix it? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem Folks I got a call from my baby sister today telling me that the plastic gas tank on her Sear's riding mower had come apart at the seam in the middle where the upper half is joined to the lower half. There is just a small place where the seam has let go. If she fills the tank past half full then gas runs out the side of the tank and is dangerous. Is there something that I cam recommend that she can get at the local automotive parts store that she can use to seal up the area where the tank has separated? Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon May 22 19:08:58 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:08:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem References: <200605221901963.SM02740@wrbpc> Message-ID: <013101c67e0d$dabc5c90$240110ac@PAUL2> Thanks Bill, my sister said that the upper part snapped to the lower part and there some kind of sealant on the edge of the two halves. Taking it all apartment and using epoxy my be the trick. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > Paul, I'd either get another tank, or see if you can split it the rest of > the way apart and then use epoxy to put it back together. There are > sealers > available, but from what you describe I'd be afraid there would be > movement > of the parts and the seal wouldn't stay. > > B? > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 22 20:23:38 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:23:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay Message-ID: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/7-HP-Witte-Side-Shaft-Hit-N-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7622 224876QQcategoryZ63945QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon May 22 22:39:47 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:39:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay In-Reply-To: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000701c67e2b$4f13d0b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Hi Ron, I'm "skeptical." That's a charm school way of saying the seller is "full of poop." That's a push rod engine that's been modified. Rob From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon May 22 19:15:46 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:15:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem References: <010601c67df4$5a65c8b0$240110ac@PAUL2> <00e501c67e00$58cf2cb0$0100007f@Ed> Message-ID: <014a01c67e0e$cdec3890$240110ac@PAUL2> Wow Ed, is there anything that you don't have, ha, ha. I will call her and get the information and get back to you sometime tomorrow. Thanks for the offer of help. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed stoller" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > Hi Paul, > > What is the Sears mower or engine number. I have a pile of tanks. I would > not try to fix it? > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > > From mholland at rustyiron.com Tue May 23 03:47:04 2006 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip(Now SIAM) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522135618.020e93f0@alltel.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522113408.020b0e00@alltel.net> <4471E0A1.4070107@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522135618.020e93f0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1183.65.6.252.223.1148381224.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> >>> What are the dates for SIAM anyway? > The dates are June 9 - 11. Curt and Devin will be there, but I will be at home in nursing school this year. Who else is planning to go? Missy Gastionia, NC From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Tue May 23 02:01:27 2006 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:01:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Quirindi Pics/ now inquiry about girder frame engines..... References: <000c01c67cd2$f6d5a210$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <4471E8C6.3090204@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001001c67e47$7aabe020$0301a8c0@Young1203> There is also a Cambell and a Petter girder engine. These are both pommie engines with a few examples in collectors hands Australia. Unfortunately none are mine. Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: ; "SEL" Cc: "George Best" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:37 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Quirindi Pics/ now inquiry about girder frame engines..... > Rob, > They were quick to identify the Star engine for you. Star engines were > one of the engines I was quite facinated with. We saw a few and here is > a picture of one. > > > Don't know if all Star engines are girder frame engines but the ones we > saw were. Aside from the huge Hornsby Ackroyd's we saw I believe these > are the only girder frame engines I've ever seen. > > So experts, tell us, besides Hornsby Ackroyds and Star, who else made > girder frame engines? Any in the US? Europe? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Rob Skinner wrote: > > > rally a couple of weeks ago. Take a look at: > > > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/q06.html > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue May 23 06:01:02 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:01:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip(Now SIAM) Message-ID: <302.5d32eb5.31a4618e@aol.com> Hi Missy, I will be there and my OLE Engine Buddy Paul Maples told me he was going this year, I am really looking forward to it, sorry you won't get to be there this year, especially the dinner at the Log Inn. Tell Curt and Devin I will see them there. Thanks, Bill Miller. -------------------------------1148389262 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From oiseming at moscow.com Tue May 23 07:01:10 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:01:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem In-Reply-To: <013101c67e0d$dabc5c90$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <200605231401.k4NE1NYJ024265@mail-gw.fsr.net> Epoxy might not stick to the type of plastic that the tank is made of. By the time you've experimented and found the right type of adhesive, you'll have more money invested in glue (to say nothing of $3.00/gallon running around finding it) than the cost of a new tank. Just bite the bullet and buy a new tank. My 2? Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem Thanks Bill, my sister said that the upper part snapped to the lower part and there some kind of sealant on the edge of the two halves. Taking it all apartment and using epoxy my be the trick. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > Paul, I'd either get another tank, or see if you can split it the rest of > the way apart and then use epoxy to put it back together. There are > sealers > available, but from what you describe I'd be afraid there would be > movement > of the parts and the seal wouldn't stay. > > B? > From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Tue May 23 07:29:32 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:29:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem References: <200605231401.k4NE1NYJ024265@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <000801c67e75$4f25ab60$82347246@mycomputer> but fixing old things is so much more satisfying, isnt it?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > Epoxy might not stick to the type of plastic that the tank is made of. By > the time you've experimented and found the right type of adhesive, you'll > have more money invested in glue (to say nothing of $3.00/gallon running > around finding it) than the cost of a new tank. Just bite the bullet and > buy a new tank. > > My 2? > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:09 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > > Thanks Bill, my sister said that the upper part snapped to the lower part > and there some kind of sealant on the edge of the two halves. Taking it > all > apartment and using epoxy my be the trick. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brueck" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:01 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > > >> Paul, I'd either get another tank, or see if you can split it the rest of >> the way apart and then use epoxy to put it back together. There are >> sealers >> available, but from what you describe I'd be afraid there would be >> movement >> of the parts and the seal wouldn't stay. >> >> B? >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Tue May 23 08:08:39 2006 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:08:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem In-Reply-To: <000801c67e75$4f25ab60$82347246@mycomputer> Message-ID: <200605231008474.SM02308@wrbpc> Yeah, this shade tree guy has been known to spend days fixing a $10 part, only to eventually give up and buy a new one, usually on eBay. But with all the experience I get along the way, I must be really smart by now! B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Dunlap Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:30 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem but fixing old things is so much more satisfying, isnt it?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > Epoxy might not stick to the type of plastic that the tank is made of. By > the time you've experimented and found the right type of adhesive, you'll > have more money invested in glue (to say nothing of $3.00/gallon running > around finding it) than the cost of a new tank. Just bite the bullet and > buy a new tank. > > My 2? > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:09 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > > Thanks Bill, my sister said that the upper part snapped to the lower part > and there some kind of sealant on the edge of the two halves. Taking it > all > apartment and using epoxy my be the trick. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brueck" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:01 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > > >> Paul, I'd either get another tank, or see if you can split it the rest of >> the way apart and then use epoxy to put it back together. There are >> sealers >> available, but from what you describe I'd be afraid there would be >> movement >> of the parts and the seal wouldn't stay. >> >> B? >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 23 08:21:15 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:21:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem In-Reply-To: <200605231401.k4NE1NYJ024265@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200605231401.k4NE1NYJ024265@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <4473286B.8070707@imc-group.com> Paul, I ditto what Orin says. Also something tells me these tanks are heat welded not glued. If you have a small soldering iron you might be sucessful heat fusing the tank seam back together..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Orrin Iseminger wrote: >Epoxy might not stick to the type of plastic that the tank is made of. By >the time you've experimented and found the right type of adhesive, you'll >have more money invested in glue (to say nothing of $3.00/gallon running >around finding it) than the cost of a new tank. Just bite the bullet and >buy a new tank. > >My 2? > >Orrin > > > From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon May 22 21:39:04 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:39:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay In-Reply-To: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060522213458.02ba6ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Ron, Too bad the pictures aren't a little better so the details could be seen. If the URL wrapped and didn't work here is a shorter one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7622224876 Item number is: 7622224876 Regards, Larry At 08:23 PM 5/22/2006, you wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/7-HP-Witte-Side-Shaft-Hit-N-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7622 >224876QQcategoryZ63945QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 23 08:58:11 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:58:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay Message-ID: <20060523.085812.144.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Rob. It took a couple of seconds to see it is a B with the side shaft added. That fly ball governor looks rather nice on there though. He is dreaming on the price though. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 22 May 2006 22:39:47 -0700 "Rob Skinner" writes: > Hi Ron, > I'm "skeptical." > > That's a charm school way of saying the seller is "full of > poop." That's a push rod engine that's been modified. > > Rob > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue May 23 09:02:55 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:02:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem In-Reply-To: <4473286B.8070707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00e301c67e82$5b3e5de0$8335c53e@doc> You could always try brazing it :-) Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: 23 May 2006 16:21 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > > Paul, > I ditto what Orin says. Also something tells me these tanks are heat > welded not glued. If you have a small soldering iron you might be > sucessful heat fusing the tank seam back together..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Orrin Iseminger wrote: > > >Epoxy might not stick to the type of plastic that the tank > is made of. By > >the time you've experimented and found the right type of > adhesive, you'll > >have more money invested in glue (to say nothing of > $3.00/gallon running > >around finding it) than the cost of a new tank. Just bite > the bullet and > >buy a new tank. > > > >My 2? > > > >Orrin > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 23 09:27:01 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:27:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New web stuff Message-ID: <002701c67e85$b9bd7830$0201a8c0@robscomputer> G'day mates, I've been doing my chores on the web page and one of the updates is from Sunday's fair at the Brentwood Science Magnet School. http://engines.rustyiron.com/school06 The last menu item was included primarily for the benefit Tom French. These boys clearly derived some of their inspiration from Metallica. John and Chuck might appreciate it also. Here in the land of milk and honey, we don't chew or stomp to fiddles, and Beverly and her cat were already booked :-) Rob From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 23 10:11:40 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:11:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem In-Reply-To: <200605231600.k4NG04Lc029713@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200605231919171.SM01788@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 23/05/2006, you wrote: >Message: 10 >Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:06:25 -0500 >From: "Paul Maples" > > the plastic gas tank on her Sear's riding mower had come apart at the > seam in the middle where the upper half is joined to the lower half. > There is just a small place where the seam has let go. If she fills the > tank past half full then gas runs out the side of the tank and is dangerous. >Is there something that I cam recommend that she can get at the local >automotive parts store that she can use to seal up the area where the tank >has separated? >Thanks,Paul Hi Paul, Orrin and others are right - look for another one. Although I do not know the exact specs of your tank, most plastic tanks are made from either polypropelene or High Density Poltethylene and no "off the shelf" adhesive will bond to either (certain epoxies may "stick" to it but not "BOND") and there is probably some vibration on the mower that will soon pull it apart. You mention that it is made in 2 halves and appears to have a sealant on the join. It was probably ultrasonically welded together - not "glued". These tanks can be heat welded together but require special equipment (not a soldering iron) and plastic welding rods made from the identical material that you are going to weld. I have this equipment - from a "previous life" - but it is better to just look for a replacement. Good luck Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 23 09:50:40 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay In-Reply-To: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Thanks for posting that. You don't many of those critters around. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 22 May 2006 rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/7-HP-Witte-Side-Shaft-Hit-N-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7622 > 224876QQcategoryZ63945QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From shop at cccomm.net Tue May 23 10:33:48 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:33:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com><4471FAE9.9090009@wightman.ca> <4472006F.5030305@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <023d01c67e8f$0cb1cd80$6401a8c0@Shop> The tractor is a 1928 Model D. The link below tells it's History. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31672053&f= As far as thos 2 yellow engines, there is a certain person named Jeff A...hole on this list that wrote the word "puke" in a response to this list a year or so ago about them. I decided to have fun with a very common Hercules built Economy engine, and once I got started did a second one. The're both 1915 vintage, Corvette yellow and custom Economy red lettering and pin striped. Dave > Duncan, > The yellow leads me to think a Bohon.....I'm curious to know too. > Curt > > Duncan Denman wrote: > >> That is a very nice tractor in his shop. :-) >> What are the yellow engines up top? >> >> Duncan >> >> Curt wrote: >> >>> >>> Is that a tractor in your shop =-O >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 23 11:00:02 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:00:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay In-Reply-To: <20060523.085812.144.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <003c01c67e92$b88e0d00$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > It took a couple of seconds to see it is a B with the side > shaft added. That fly ball governor looks rather nice > on there though. He is dreaming on the price though. Hi Ron, Do I see a new project in your future? Rob From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 23 11:27:15 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:27:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long In-Reply-To: <023d01c67e8f$0cb1cd80$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com><4471FAE9.9090009@wightman.ca> <4472006F.5030305@imc-group.com> <023d01c67e8f$0cb1cd80$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <44735403.8060806@imc-group.com> Dave, Thoroughly enjoyed looking thru the 44 pictures of the floor up restoration. Excellent documentation! What I'm really impressed with is that you got a project of this size done in a year. I've been working on a single engine a year and haven't even started on reassembly yet. Some of you guys amaze me! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. The yellow Bohon I referenced is one of the sharpest paint jobs I've ever seen on an engine. It comes to the SIAM show every year along with an entire trailer of slicked engines. I found a picture of it in the 2002 SIAM photos. Dave Ernst wrote: > > The tractor is a 1928 Model D. The link below tells it's History. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31672053&f= > > As far as thos 2 yellow engines, there is a certain person named Jeff > A...hole on this list that wrote the word "puke" in a response to this > list a year or so ago about them. I decided to have fun with a very > common Hercules built Economy engine, and once I got started did a > second one. The're both 1915 vintage, Corvette yellow and custom > Economy red lettering and pin striped. > > Dave > From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 23 11:27:40 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:27:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long In-Reply-To: <023d01c67e8f$0cb1cd80$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com><4471FAE9.9090009@wightman.ca> <4472006F.5030305@imc-group.com> <023d01c67e8f$0cb1cd80$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <4473541C.3090105@imc-group.com> Dave, Thoroughly enjoyed looking thru the 44 pictures of the floor up restoration. Excellent documentation! What I'm really impressed with is that you got a project of this size done in a year. I've been working on a single engine a year and haven't even started on reassembly yet. Some of you guys amaze me! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. The yellow Bohon I referenced is one of the sharpest paint jobs I've ever seen on an engine. It comes to the SIAM show every year along with an entire trailer of slicked engines. I found a picture of it in the 2002 SIAM photos. Dave Ernst wrote: > > The tractor is a 1928 Model D. The link below tells it's History. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31672053&f= > > As far as thos 2 yellow engines, there is a certain person named Jeff > A...hole on this list that wrote the word "puke" in a response to this > list a year or so ago about them. I decided to have fun with a very > common Hercules built Economy engine, and once I got started did a > second one. The're both 1915 vintage, Corvette yellow and custom > Economy red lettering and pin striped. > > Dave > From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue May 23 13:34:35 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:34:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <200605231600.k4NG04LV029713@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: >Mike, >For Lincoln's show-and-tell your father in law had a source for cedar >trees. The left overs lasted us a few years at out local shows but I'm >out now. Any chance you can bring some with you so I'll have some to saw >on the 8HP saw rig? >Unless the SIAM club has a source for cedar.....Glenn, Keith??? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > > > > What are the dates for SIAM anyway? > > > > See ya', > > Mike > You already know that SIAM is June 9, 10, & 11 this year. Check out our web site http://siam-club.hypermart.net/index.html We will feature IH tractors & Engines. Also there is the Flea Market, Toy Show, Car Show, Model A Speedsters, & The Cowboy Mounted Shooters Assoc. We should have a lot of fun with this year's lines up. As for the cedar for the sawrig. I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some cedar logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the cedar logs or any other slabs for that matter. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 23 14:19:35 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:19:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay Message-ID: <20060523.142100.144.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Tue, 23 May 2006 11:00:02 -0700 "Rob Skinner" writes: > > > It took a couple of seconds to see it is a B with the side > > > shaft added. That fly ball governor looks rather nice > > on there though. He is dreaming on the price though. > > Hi Ron, > Do I see a new project in your future? > > Rob From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Tue May 23 15:31:09 2006 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (Barry Gorman) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:31:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay References: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <005601c67eb8$96ac3bf0$0100000a@userd6162315ba> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay Hi Ron, Thanks for posting that. You don't many of those critters around. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 22 May 2006 rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/7-HP-Witte-Side-Shaft-Hit-N-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7622224876QQcategoryZ63945QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem< From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 23 16:35:21 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:35:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem References: <00e301c67e82$5b3e5de0$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <003f01c67ec1$94879820$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> Why the hell would you try fixing it ...buy a new one ,it shouldn't break you . After all you have to keep that Chinese economy going and it is you sister riding around on the thing ...spilt petrol can cause a nasty accident.better still if you insist on trying to DIY fit a steel one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:02 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > You could always try brazing it :-) > > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt >> Sent: 23 May 2006 16:21 >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem >> >> Paul, >> I ditto what Orin says. Also something tells me these tanks are heat >> welded not glued. If you have a small soldering iron you might be >> sucessful heat fusing the tank seam back together..... >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> >> Orrin Iseminger wrote: >> >> >Epoxy might not stick to the type of plastic that the tank >> is made of. By >> >the time you've experimented and found the right type of >> adhesive, you'll >> >have more money invested in glue (to say nothing of >> $3.00/gallon running >> >around finding it) than the cost of a new tank. Just bite >> the bullet and >> >buy a new tank. >> > >> >My 2? >> > >> >Orrin >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 23 16:40:07 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:40:07 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation Message-ID: <004701c67ec2$3cc386c0$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> I am restoring a engine of unknown make . It has two fly wheels with curved spokes . The fly wheels can be fitted from either side ,i.e. curved spokes leading or trailing . It would seem logical that the spokes should be trailing but is this always the case? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Tue May 23 17:09:08 2006 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <004701c67ec2$3cc386c0$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Peter No it is not always the case. Take Hornsby, their transportable engines were in a different direction to their stationary. Been a thread before, some believe that it is about centrifugal forces etc but did not effect Hornsby's. Another question is why did the majority of British makers use curved and the Majority of US use straight Cannot be that the poms could not cast straight spokes without cracking, I think it was all about "that is the way we did it for steam" and it looks better. Whats you thoughts Kerry Lithgow OZ --- peter ogborne wrote: > I am restoring a engine of unknown make . It has two > fly wheels with curved > spokes . The fly wheels can be fitted from either > side ,i.e. curved spokes > leading or trailing . It would seem logical that the > spokes should be > trailing but is this always the case? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue May 23 17:46:27 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:46:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Very Unusual Engnie References: <20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a401c67ecb$8c1a1be0$5fb6f504@Ed> Reference June issue of Gas Engine Magazine, page 8. The Cavabaugh & Darley has a Bore of 11-1/2 inches and a Stroke of only 5 inches. Usually the Stroke is between 1 and 2 times the Bore. It seems like a very short Stroke or a huge Bore for a 1 HP engine. The flywheel diameter seems a little puney also, only 6-1/8 inches. The engine weighs 250 pounds. I wonder what the RPM would be. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 23 19:16:07 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:16:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <004701c67ec2$3cc386c0$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <008201c67ed8$05e55870$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > I am restoring a engine of unknown make . It has two fly > wheels with curved spokes . Hi Peter, On the majority of curved spoked flywheels, the outer part of the spoke points in the direction of rotation. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 23 19:19:29 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:19:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008301c67ed8$7e2aaec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Another question is why did the majority of British > makers use curved and the Majority of US use straight > Cannot be that the poms could not cast straight spokes > without cracking, I think it was all about "that is > the way we did it for steam" and it looks better. > Whats you thoughts Hi Kerry, If you look at other design features, Yanks were looking to shave pennies off the price. It seems that a straight spoke pattern is not only easier to make, but the resulting flywheel uses less material. Functionally, they are the same, but the British did seem to go a little further in trying to make an aesthetically pleasing product as well as a showcase for their workmanship. Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 23 20:03:19 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:03:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <008201c67ed8$05e55870$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <004701c67ec2$3cc386c0$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> <008201c67ed8$05e55870$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060523230051.0416dda8@mail.alltel.net> At 10:16 PM 5/23/2006, you wrote: > > I am restoring a engine of unknown make . It has two fly > > wheels with curved spokes . > >Hi Peter, >On the majority of curved spoked flywheels, the outer part >of the spoke points in the direction of rotation. > >=-=-=-=-=-= >Rob Skinner If Peter would put one on toward the front and the other one on toward the back he would be sure to be 50% correct--and also draw a lot of attention at shows! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 23 20:17:15 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:17:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <004701c67ec2$3cc386c0$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> <20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060523230550.04448238@mail.alltel.net> >Another question is why did the majority of British >makers use curved and the Majority of US use straight >Cannot be that the poms could not cast straight spokes >without cracking, I think it was all about "that is >the way we did it for steam" and it looks better. >Whats you thoughts >Kerry Hi Kerry, The truth is that the majority of those of us in the USA are "straight" (94%) while the majority of those in the UK are not. (Only 26% of those in the UK are "straight" according to the latest Zogby poll--see: http://zogby.com/ )The DOWN side of this for those of us in the USA is that the 26% of those in the UK own 69% more trapezes than do the 94% of us in the USA. Dave PS, Ask Dolly about that last statistic! From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 23 20:18:40 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:18:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] curved spokes Message-ID: <002d01c67ee0$c49bd980$07cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> I would say also that what stresses there were locked into that curved spoke had more latitude . They do look much better and as there was a lot of beauty in some of those early engines I would say that has a lot to do with it . In my case I will go for the trailing curved spoke option. BTW ,can I send you an image of this engine .....you never know it seems to stop everyone so far ? I've not forgotten that Mc Donald ....next week ! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 24 03:26:55 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 19:56:55 +0930 Subject: [SEL] NZ made Message-ID: <000501c67f1c$9529e340$dac88890@chaos> A couple of kiwi made Anderson engines, http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Automotive-transport/Other/auction-57394156.htm http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Automotive-transport/Other/auction-57787999.htm and a lister http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Other/auction-57191665.htm From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed May 24 04:07:50 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:07:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Guys, without getting really involved in this age old dicussion I think we all should consider the forces involved when the engine is running. In my humble opinion the outer end of curved spokes must head in the direction of the torque, that being away from the cylinder if the engine runs in the normal clockwise direction. If the flywheel runs the opposite way the outer rim will tend to wan't to fold in on itself. Take a look at most pulleys---which way do the curved spokes face in relation to the forces applied to them by the driven machine?. There are many engines out there with staight spokes but the pulleys have curved ones. This is only my opinion for what its worth. Lyndsay in OZ >From: Kerry Morris >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation >Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:09:08 -0700 (PDT) > >G'Day Peter > >No it is not always the case. >Take Hornsby, their transportable engines were in a >different direction to their stationary. >Been a thread before, some believe that it is about >centrifugal forces etc but did not effect Hornsby's. > >Another question is why did the majority of British >makers use curved and the Majority of US use straight >Cannot be that the poms could not cast straight spokes >without cracking, I think it was all about "that is >the way we did it for steam" and it looks better. >Whats you thoughts > >Kerry >Lithgow OZ > >--- peter ogborne wrote: > > > I am restoring a engine of unknown make . It has two > > fly wheels with curved > > spokes . The fly wheels can be fitted from either > > side ,i.e. curved spokes > > leading or trailing . It would seem logical that the > > spokes should be > > trailing but is this always the case? > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed May 24 05:11:19 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:11:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Slightly O.T. repair of gas tank Message-ID: <002901c67f2b$2b543ce0$240110ac@PAUL2> Thanks everyone for the many responses I got on how to repair the gas tank, for the suggestions not to attempt to repair it, and from Ed who has offered to see if he has a spare tank in his gas tank collections. As usual you guys have been great and I appreciate each of you. Paul From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed May 24 08:22:40 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:22:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Telephone Directory Service Message-ID: <444.18e50a1.31a5d440@aol.com> Hi List, Periodically, we have members asking for telephone numbers of individuals or businesses. Here is a free internet service that will help you find a telephone number: <_http://www.free411.com/_ (http://www.free411.com/) > Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1148484160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 24 08:47:25 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:47:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >If the flywheel runs the opposite way the outer > rim will tend to wan't to fold in on itself. Right you are, Lindsay. Renowned engine builder Sheldon Brown, partner of Jeremiah Cochran, studied the issue in great detail. Here is what he wrote in his Famous Flywheel Treatise of 1904: Are your flywheels spoked right, or are they giving you trouble? Many engineers would answer with a rueful "Right!" Spoke Cracking Leads to Flywheel Breakage! Thanks to superior American technology, modern engines are more powerful than ever. At the same time, the trend to lighter flywheels and fewer spokes continues. As a result of the higher stresses and cutting-edge construction, a fundamental design flaw in existing flywheels comes to light. Millions of engines are suffering cracked or broken spokes usually on the left side flywheel, leading to poor fuel economy at best, or getting left behind by your competition, or, in more severe cases, injury or death! Older flywheels were so over-built that they made up for incompetent design by having lots of heavy curved spokes and heavier-than-necessary rims. Even today, most right side flywheels hold up alright, because they still have more spokes than are needed to cope with the usual loads experienced by flywheels...but what about the all-important left flywheel? While the right side spokes tend to hold up alright, the left spokes are often left with insufficient strength. If a left spoke is cracked, there's no way that the engine can run right...you'll suffer catastrophic flywheel breakage due to metal fatigue on the left spokes. Go right now to wherever you left your engine, and check the spoke tension of your right wheel by plinking the spokes with a sledge hammer and listening to the tone. You'll probably find that the right side spokes are at the right tone, but that the left spokes will be less melodious. When you plunk the left spokes you'll notice that the pitch of the plunk is considerably lower than that of the right spokes. Why is this? The Myth of "Bent Spokes" Believe it or not, many of the unscrupulous con-artists that are so common in the engine industry will try to get you to believe that this is a "feature!" Yeah, right! They'll give you some spiel about a mystical property called "curve", which supposedly has something to do with the fact that the belt is on the right side. This is, of course, complete nonsense, since the belt never touches the flywheel, as long as your machinery is aligned just right. History Lesson Part 1. These idiots must have been left back in school when it was time to study history. Everybody knows that in the early days of engines, there was a problem with the left flywheels falling off. This was solved by the Wright brothers, when they invented the system of using a left-hand thread on the left flywheel bolt. Precession You might think that this would not be right, and that the Wright brothers had it backwards, because the friction of the main bearings would tend to turn the right flywheel to the left and the left flywheel to the right. Thus, the right-handed right flywheel should fall right off, while the left handed left flywheel would be left in place...but it doesn't work that way; instead an interaction with the Earth's magnetic field sets up eddy currents right in side the crankshaft, leading to a tendency for the flywheels to tighten themselves, as if by magic. History Lesson Part 2. When Nicolas Otto and Tullio Crossley independently invented the engine, back in the olden times, they used normal right-handed threading for the crankshaft main bearing caps. This worked alright for the left caps, but it was discovered that the right cap would tend to unscrew itself in use, unless the engine was left out in the rain, where rust could help to immobilize the threads. The great British engine inventor Dugald Clerk cured this problem by making the right crankshaft main bearing cap have left-hand threads, so that, even if it starts a little bit loose, it will tighten itself right up. The French were slow to pick up on this improved technique, and many German engines are still made with wrong-way threading, but the rest of the world has picked up on this, and the vast majority of engines now have main bearing caps that are threaded the right way: right threads on the left side, left threads on the right side. The Lessons of History Like many great inventions, bilateral obverse threading seems completely obvious once it has been explained; the solution to the problem of left flywheel breakage is, in fact just a simple matter of using a left-hand threading on the clamps that run to the left side of the flywheel! This completely eliminates the precession effect that tends to loosen left side flywheels in old-fashioned engines that use right-hand threading! Flywheel Building Issues Since I'm a practical mechanic as well as an inventor, I couldn't overlook the confusion that having two different types of bolts could cause. I've come up with an ingenious solution to the problem, however: As an optional accessory item to bilateral obverse thread systems, we are making available special color-coded bolts to help the engine builder keep track of which is which. Since left hand bolts look just like ordinary bolts, we offer special bright red bolts to fit the right-hand threaded spokes still used on the right side of the wheel. This prevents them from becoming confused with the left-hand threaded bolts. What About the Southern Hemisphere? Well, what about it? It is well known that in the Southern hemisphere, the problem of left flywheels loosening up does not occur, but rather it is the right flywheels that loosen up if left to their own devices. Hence, engineers who run engines mainly in the Southern hemisphere should use left hand threads on the right side flywheels, not the left. Honesty compels me to admit that for engineers who live and run engines within 50 miles of the Equator, any bolts will offer little functional value. Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the equator. From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed May 24 09:02:36 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:02:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <017601c67f4b$79ccd6a0$8335c53e@doc> Right you are indeed. Date of publication 1st April 1904, perchance? > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Rob Skinner > Sent: 24 May 2006 16:47 > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > > > >If the flywheel runs the opposite way the outer > > rim will tend to wan't to fold in on itself. > > Right you are, Lindsay. Renowned engine builder Sheldon > Brown, partner of Jeremiah Cochran, studied the issue in > great detail. Here is what he wrote in his Famous Flywheel > Treatise of 1904: > Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed May 24 09:11:39 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:11:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation Message-ID: <418.21caf65.31a5dfbb@aol.com> Hi Rob, I think I'll go out to the Maytag Shed and equip my favorite engines each with a compass, so that on overcast days I can align the engine in such a manner as to keep the flywheels tight while running. Were it not for your kindness in sharing this critical information, many lives could have been lost should one of the Maytag flywheels loosen, fall free while turning, and run amok through the crowd. Thank you. Ron In a message dated 5/24/2006 11:53:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the equator. -------------------------------1148487099 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Rob,
I think I'll go out to the Maytag Shed and equip my favorite engines ea= ch with a compass, so that on overcast days I can align the engine in such a= manner as to keep the flywheels tight while running.
 
Were it not for your kindness in sharing this critical information, man= y lives could have been lost should one of the Maytag flywheels loosen, fall= free while turning, and run amok through the crowd.
 
Thank you.
Ron
 
 
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 24 06:27:22 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 23:27:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics Message-ID: <20060524132716.LYYD27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Some pics from Cambelltown Steam Museum on the weekend. I took the YC Stover out on Sunday and it ran as sweet as ever, until it ran out of fuel. Throttlers sound nice but they go through a lot more fuel than the hit and miss engines! http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 24 11:36:01 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:36:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <418.21caf65.31a5dfbb@aol.com> References: <418.21caf65.31a5dfbb@aol.com> Message-ID: <4474A791.8020200@imc-group.com> Hey Ron, where is your sense of excitement? I'm certain you recall the stories of "Maytag roulette" that Fred and the shop boys would play during after hours binge drinking at the washer factory. The last job of the day on Fridays in the lathe department was to opposite thread both a crankshaft and flywheel for the evening festivities. The assembly department would tightly affix the flywheel as best they could so as to extent the anticipation as long as possible. After much consumption of corn distillate, a spare kick starter was spun on the floor to decide which of the fellows standing in the circle around the running Maytag would be next to stand in the flywheel path. What ever unlucky sot took eventually took the flywheel in the shins and up the chin was still expect to report for work come Monday, for as we know, Fred was a bastard! Reenactments of these glory daze can still be observed at events like Portland, whereas if you actually see a running Maytag there will certainly be a group of chaps standing around shaking their heads at the smoky beast all wondering if they are the next victim. :-) See ya, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: >Hi Rob, >I think I'll go out to the Maytag Shed and equip my favorite engines each >with a compass, so that on overcast days I can align the engine in such a manner >as to keep the flywheels tight while running. > >Were it not for your kindness in sharing this critical information, many >lives could have been lost should one of the Maytag flywheels loosen, fall free >while turning, and run amok through the crowd. > >Thank you. >Ron > > > > From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed May 24 12:17:16 2006 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:17:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0605241217l2ac88a2alc1a1aea3b9d92b31@mail.gmail.com> On 5/24/06, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > "Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the > Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to > swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the > equator." I think that is for vertical engines only. If you run the head on the left instead of the right, no bolt adjustments would be necessary. I'll look it up in an old engineering book I have that was written by Rube Goldberg in 1906. Paul in San Francisco ------=_Part_1586_13004356.1148498236913 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 5/24/06, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

"Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the
Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to
swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the
equator."


I think that is for vertical engines only. If you run the head on the left instead of the right, no bolt adjustments would be necessary. I'll look it up in an old engineering book I have that was written by Rube Goldberg in 1906.


Paul in San Francisco



From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 24 12:36:14 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:36:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" the spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this information for the safety of the SEL! Steve Royster >From: "Rob Skinner" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:47:25 -0700 > > > >If the flywheel runs the opposite way the outer > > rim will tend to wan't to fold in on itself. > >Right you are, Lindsay. Renowned engine builder Sheldon >Brown, partner of Jeremiah Cochran, studied the issue in >great detail. Here is what he wrote in his Famous Flywheel >Treatise of 1904: > >Are your flywheels spoked right, or are they giving you >trouble? >Many engineers would answer with a rueful "Right!" > >Spoke Cracking Leads to Flywheel Breakage! >Thanks to superior American technology, modern engines are >more powerful than ever. At the same time, the trend to >lighter flywheels and fewer spokes continues. > >As a result of the higher stresses and cutting-edge >construction, a fundamental design flaw in existing >flywheels comes to light. Millions of engines are suffering >cracked or broken spokes usually on the left side flywheel, >leading to poor fuel economy at best, or getting left behind >by your competition, or, in more severe cases, injury or >death! > >Older flywheels were so over-built that they made up for >incompetent design by having lots of heavy curved spokes and >heavier-than-necessary rims. Even today, most right side >flywheels hold up alright, because they still have more >spokes than are needed to cope with the usual loads >experienced by flywheels...but what about the all-important >left flywheel? > >While the right side spokes tend to hold up alright, the >left spokes are often left with insufficient strength. If a >left spoke is cracked, there's no way that the engine can >run right...you'll suffer catastrophic flywheel breakage due >to metal fatigue on the left spokes. > >Go right now to wherever you left your engine, and check the >spoke tension of your right wheel by plinking the spokes >with a sledge hammer and listening to the tone. You'll >probably find that the right side spokes are at the right >tone, but that the left spokes will be less melodious. When >you plunk the left spokes you'll notice that the pitch of >the plunk is considerably lower than that of the right >spokes. Why is this? > >The Myth of "Bent Spokes" >Believe it or not, many of the unscrupulous con-artists that >are so common in the engine industry will try to get you to >believe that this is a "feature!" Yeah, right! > >They'll give you some spiel about a mystical property called >"curve", which supposedly has something to do with the fact >that the belt is on the right side. This is, of course, >complete nonsense, since the belt never touches the >flywheel, as long as your machinery is aligned just right. > >History Lesson Part 1. >These idiots must have been left back in school when it was >time to study history. Everybody knows that in the early >days of engines, there was a problem with the left flywheels >falling off. > >This was solved by the Wright brothers, when they invented >the system of using a left-hand thread on the left flywheel >bolt. > >Precession >You might think that this would not be right, and that the >Wright brothers had it backwards, because the friction of >the main bearings would tend to turn the right flywheel to >the left and the left flywheel to the right. Thus, the >right-handed right flywheel should fall right off, while the >left handed left flywheel would be left in place...but it >doesn't work that way; instead an interaction with the >Earth's magnetic field sets up eddy currents right in side >the crankshaft, leading to a tendency for the flywheels to >tighten themselves, as if by magic. > >History Lesson Part 2. >When Nicolas Otto and Tullio Crossley independently invented >the engine, back in the olden times, they used normal >right-handed threading for the crankshaft main bearing caps. >This worked alright for the left caps, but it was discovered >that the right cap would tend to unscrew itself in use, >unless the engine was left out in the rain, where rust could >help to immobilize the threads. > >The great British engine inventor Dugald Clerk cured this >problem by making the right crankshaft main bearing cap have >left-hand threads, so that, even if it starts a little bit >loose, it will tighten itself right up. > >The French were slow to pick up on this improved technique, >and many German engines are still made with wrong-way >threading, but the rest of the world has picked up on this, >and the vast majority of engines now have main bearing caps >that are threaded the right way: right threads on the left >side, left threads on the right side. > >The Lessons of History >Like many great inventions, bilateral obverse threading >seems completely obvious once it has been explained; the >solution to the problem of left flywheel breakage is, in >fact just a simple matter of using a left-hand threading on >the clamps that run to the left side of the flywheel! > >This completely eliminates the precession effect that tends >to loosen left side flywheels in old-fashioned engines that >use right-hand threading! > >Flywheel Building Issues >Since I'm a practical mechanic as well as an inventor, I >couldn't overlook the confusion that having two different >types of bolts could cause. I've come up with an ingenious >solution to the problem, however: > >As an optional accessory item to bilateral obverse thread >systems, we are making available special color-coded bolts >to help the engine builder keep track of which is which. >Since left hand bolts look just like ordinary bolts, we >offer special bright red bolts to fit the right-hand >threaded spokes still used on the right side of the wheel. >This prevents them from becoming confused with the left-hand >threaded bolts. > >What About the Southern Hemisphere? >Well, what about it? It is well known that in the Southern >hemisphere, the problem of left flywheels loosening up does >not occur, but rather it is the right flywheels that loosen >up if left to their own devices. > >Hence, engineers who run engines mainly in the Southern >hemisphere should use left hand threads on the right side >flywheels, not the left. > >Honesty compels me to admit that for engineers who live and >run engines within 50 miles of the Equator, any bolts will >offer little functional value. > >Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the >Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to >swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the >equator. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From segray at mlode.com Wed May 24 12:47:56 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:47:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Mery castings] Message-ID: <4474B86C.90905@mlode.com> OK folks. For those interested in model engines, here's a chance to start/add to a collection. I have no idea what Michael's asking for the kit or what condition it's in. Email him direct since he's not on the list. The Mery is the double acting 6 cycle. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed May 24 13:02:47 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:02:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation Message-ID: <46b.159dce7.31a615e7@aol.com> Hi Curt, You are right, "spin the flywheel" was one of Fred's favorites as he believed both the corn squeezings and the game built character. His son, Fred II, had much the same attitude but expanded it to embrace governmental considerations. Take, for instance, this quote: "The egalitarianism of the present tax structure is thought to be seriously dampening individual effort, initiative, and inspiration ... [it] destroys ambition, penalizes success, discourages investment to create new jobs, and may well turn a nation of risk-taking entrepreneurs into a nation of softies." Fred Maytag II So you can see that the good works of Fred the senior carried over to the son. But today Newton and the Sons of the Sons of Fred have fallen onto hard times. An evil empire, one might say, flying the banner of Whirlpool, has taken control of that old building where the besotted factory workers once gathered to celebrate another week of good works, and, build up both their courage and character. Rumor has it that some of the Sons of the Sons of Fred are working on a toll booth to place on Interstate 80. They came up with that idea after a couple of them went on over to Chicago to see if there was employment opportunity there and saw how the Chicago boys have a good thing going for them. It is hard to say just when the new toll booth will be put in place as there are a few people to line up before it can work. But, as history has shown, Iowa politicians can, almost as easily as those from Chocolate City, be tamed and there is no if about it, only the when. I'll post more as the news comes through. Ron . In a message dated 5/24/2006 2:50:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Hey Ron, where is your sense of excitement? I'm certain you recall the stories of "Maytag roulette" that Fred and the shop boys would play during after hours binge drinking at the washer factory. The last job of the day on Fridays in the lathe department was to opposite thread both a crankshaft and flywheel for the evening festivities. The assembly department would tightly affix the flywheel as best they could so as to extent the anticipation as long as possible. After much consumption of corn distillate, a spare kick starter was spun on the floor to decide which of the fellows standing in the circle around the running Maytag would be next to stand in the flywheel path. What ever unlucky sot took eventually took the flywheel in the shins and up the chin was still expect to report for work come Monday, for as we know, Fred was a bastard! Reenactments of these glory daze can still be observed at events like Portland, whereas if you actually see a running Maytag there will certainly be a group of chaps standing around shaking their heads at the smoky beast all wondering if they are the next victim. :-) See ya, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC -------------------------------1148500967 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
Hi Curt,
You are right, "spin the flywheel" was one of Fred's favorites as = he believed both the corn squeezings and the game built character.  His= son, Fred II, had much the same attitude but expanded it to embrace go= vernmental considerations.  Take, for instance, this quote:  "The=20= egalitarianism of the present tax structure is thought to be seriously dampe= ning individual effort, initiative, and inspiration ... [it] destroys ambiti= on, penalizes success, discourages investment to create new jobs, and may we= ll turn a nation of risk-taking entrepreneurs into a nation of softies."&nbs= p; Fred Maytag II 
 
So you can see that the good works of Fred the senior carried over to t= he son.  But today Newton and the Sons of the Sons of Fred have fallen=20= onto hard times.  An evil empire, one might say, flying the banner of W= hirlpool, has taken control of that old building where the besotted factory=20= workers once gathered to celebrate another week of good works, and, build up= both their courage and character.  Rumor has it that some of the Sons=20= of the Sons of Fred are working on a toll booth to place on Interstate 80.&n= bsp; They came up with that idea after a couple of them went on over to Chic= ago to see if there was employment opportunity there and saw how the Chicago= boys have a good thing going for them. 
 
It is hard to say just when the new toll booth will be put in place as=20= there are a few people to line up before it can work.  But, as history=20= has shown, Iowa politicians can, almost as easily as those from Chocolate Ci= ty, be tamed and there is no if about it, only the when.
 
I'll post more as the news comes through.
Ron
. 
 
In a message dated 5/24/2006 2:50:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc= -group.com writes:
Hey Ron, where is your sense of excitement? I'= m certain you recall the
stories of "Maytag roulette" that Fred and the=20= shop boys would play
during after hours binge drinking at the washer fac= tory. The last job of
the day on Fridays in the lathe department was to=20= opposite thread both a
crankshaft and flywheel for the evening festiviti= es.  The assembly
department would tightly affix the flywheel as be= st they could so as to
extent the anticipation as long as possible. = ; After much consumption of
corn distillate, a spare kick starter was sp= un on the floor to decide
which of the fellows standing in the circle ar= ound the running Maytag
would be next to stand in the flywheel path. Wha= t ever unlucky sot took
eventually took the flywheel in the shins and up= the chin was still
expect to report for work come Monday, for as we kno= w, Fred was a bastard!
Reenactments of these glory daze can still be obse= rved at events like
Portland, whereas if you actually see a running Mayt= ag there will
certainly be a group of chaps standing around shaking thei= r heads at the
smoky beast all wondering if they are the next victim. :-= )
See ya,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
From segray at mlode.com Wed May 24 13:07:20 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:07:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Mery castings] again Message-ID: <4474BCF8.3010402@mlode.com> Didn't see Michael's message come through so we'll try it this way... -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Michael Bancroft wrote: I have a set of Mery Castings that it does not look like I will get to in this life time. Set #107 unmachined except for flywheel that was done by the factory. Any market for this project? Mbancroft@ hughes.net From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed May 24 13:25:26 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:25:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Mery castings] References: <4474B86C.90905@mlode.com> Message-ID: <002001c67f70$31762990$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Steve, You left out the email. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Mery castings] OK folks. For those interested in model engines, here's a chance to start/add to a collection. I have no idea what Michael's asking for the kit or what condition it's in. Email him direct since he's not on the list. The Mery is the double acting 6 cycle. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 24 13:00:15 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Steve, I think this "testing" is probably very sensitive to the wristing as you swing the sledge. It would probably be best to do the initial testing on the spokes of the engines belonging to the Evil Cloistered Oyster. Once you develop a feel for the proper "spong" sound you'll be ready to do your own engines. BTW, you might want to be prepared to suspend testing if you hear... "KA-POW! SPONG!" 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 24 May 2006, Steve Royster wrote: > I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" the > spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this information for the > safety of the SEL! Steve Royster From weirgrant at hotmail.com Wed May 24 13:37:54 2006 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:37:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: <4474BCF8.3010402@mlode.com> Message-ID: Hello, This is kind of a tractor question but it is only a two cylinder tractor so... :-) I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of the stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. I think it will work. Anyway, I need the list's expert advise on how much piston-to-cylinder clearance I need to leave. If not the actual JD service numbers then possibly some general clearance ideas? Anyone? Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada From tsmith at hal-pc.org Wed May 24 13:57:33 2006 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:57:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The bigger the sledge (applied with vigorous energy) the more effective and conclusive the results. On Wed, 24 May 2006 16:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Arnie Fero wrote: > Hey Steve, > > I think this "testing" is probably very sensitive to the wristing as >you > swing the sledge. It would probably be best to do the initial >testing on > the spokes of the engines belonging to the Evil Cloistered Oyster. > Once > you develop a feel for the proper "spong" sound you'll be ready to >do your > own engines. > > BTW, you might want to be prepared to suspend testing if you hear... > "KA-POW! SPONG!" 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, Steve Royster wrote: > >> I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" >>the >> spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this information >>for the >> safety of the SEL! Steve Royster > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 24 13:25:42 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Grant, I don't have that clearance handy (but others will). Have you checked how much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after you turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves? See ya, Arnie On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote: > I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of the > stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. I > think it will work. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed May 24 14:17:28 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:17:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation Message-ID: <410-220065324211728328@earthlink.net> Hey Steve, adding to the super fine advice of Arnie, make sure you use a minimum 20 pound sledge hammer to make up for the high humidity that seems to be present in your area. A lighter weight hammer just may not cut through the air proper. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Arnie Fero > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 5/24/2006 3:50:47 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > > Hey Steve, > > I think this "testing" is probably very sensitive to the wristing as you > swing the sledge. It would probably be best to do the initial testing on > the spokes of the engines belonging to the Evil Cloistered Oyster. Once > you develop a feel for the proper "spong" sound you'll be ready to do your > own engines. > > BTW, you might want to be prepared to suspend testing if you hear... > "KA-POW! SPONG!" 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, Steve Royster wrote: > > > I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" the > > spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this information for the > > safety of the SEL! Steve Royster > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 5/23/2006 From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed May 24 14:34:56 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:34:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation References: Message-ID: <007a01c67f79$e73c58e0$536b4b47@mikecomp> I already tested several for you Steve and it's a good thing I did, all were weak and broke. I saved your life and countless others!!!!!!! Mike "the good" Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" the > spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this information for > the safety of the SEL! Steve Royster > > >>From: "Rob Skinner" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >>Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation >>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:47:25 -0700 >> >> >> >If the flywheel runs the opposite way the outer >> > rim will tend to wan't to fold in on itself. >> >>Right you are, Lindsay. Renowned engine builder Sheldon >>Brown, partner of Jeremiah Cochran, studied the issue in >>great detail. Here is what he wrote in his Famous Flywheel >>Treatise of 1904: >> >>Are your flywheels spoked right, or are they giving you >>trouble? >>Many engineers would answer with a rueful "Right!" >> >>Spoke Cracking Leads to Flywheel Breakage! >>Thanks to superior American technology, modern engines are >>more powerful than ever. At the same time, the trend to >>lighter flywheels and fewer spokes continues. >> >>As a result of the higher stresses and cutting-edge >>construction, a fundamental design flaw in existing >>flywheels comes to light. Millions of engines are suffering >>cracked or broken spokes usually on the left side flywheel, >>leading to poor fuel economy at best, or getting left behind >>by your competition, or, in more severe cases, injury or >>death! >> >>Older flywheels were so over-built that they made up for >>incompetent design by having lots of heavy curved spokes and >>heavier-than-necessary rims. Even today, most right side >>flywheels hold up alright, because they still have more >>spokes than are needed to cope with the usual loads >>experienced by flywheels...but what about the all-important >>left flywheel? >> >>While the right side spokes tend to hold up alright, the >>left spokes are often left with insufficient strength. If a >>left spoke is cracked, there's no way that the engine can >>run right...you'll suffer catastrophic flywheel breakage due >>to metal fatigue on the left spokes. >> >>Go right now to wherever you left your engine, and check the >>spoke tension of your right wheel by plinking the spokes >>with a sledge hammer and listening to the tone. You'll >>probably find that the right side spokes are at the right >>tone, but that the left spokes will be less melodious. When >>you plunk the left spokes you'll notice that the pitch of >>the plunk is considerably lower than that of the right >>spokes. Why is this? >> >>The Myth of "Bent Spokes" >>Believe it or not, many of the unscrupulous con-artists that >>are so common in the engine industry will try to get you to >>believe that this is a "feature!" Yeah, right! >> >>They'll give you some spiel about a mystical property called >>"curve", which supposedly has something to do with the fact >>that the belt is on the right side. This is, of course, >>complete nonsense, since the belt never touches the >>flywheel, as long as your machinery is aligned just right. >> >>History Lesson Part 1. >>These idiots must have been left back in school when it was >>time to study history. Everybody knows that in the early >>days of engines, there was a problem with the left flywheels >>falling off. >> >>This was solved by the Wright brothers, when they invented >>the system of using a left-hand thread on the left flywheel >>bolt. >> >>Precession >>You might think that this would not be right, and that the >>Wright brothers had it backwards, because the friction of >>the main bearings would tend to turn the right flywheel to >>the left and the left flywheel to the right. Thus, the >>right-handed right flywheel should fall right off, while the >>left handed left flywheel would be left in place...but it >>doesn't work that way; instead an interaction with the >>Earth's magnetic field sets up eddy currents right in side >>the crankshaft, leading to a tendency for the flywheels to >>tighten themselves, as if by magic. >> >>History Lesson Part 2. >>When Nicolas Otto and Tullio Crossley independently invented >>the engine, back in the olden times, they used normal >>right-handed threading for the crankshaft main bearing caps. >>This worked alright for the left caps, but it was discovered >>that the right cap would tend to unscrew itself in use, >>unless the engine was left out in the rain, where rust could >>help to immobilize the threads. >> >>The great British engine inventor Dugald Clerk cured this >>problem by making the right crankshaft main bearing cap have >>left-hand threads, so that, even if it starts a little bit >>loose, it will tighten itself right up. >> >>The French were slow to pick up on this improved technique, >>and many German engines are still made with wrong-way >>threading, but the rest of the world has picked up on this, >>and the vast majority of engines now have main bearing caps >>that are threaded the right way: right threads on the left >>side, left threads on the right side. >> >>The Lessons of History >>Like many great inventions, bilateral obverse threading >>seems completely obvious once it has been explained; the >>solution to the problem of left flywheel breakage is, in >>fact just a simple matter of using a left-hand threading on >>the clamps that run to the left side of the flywheel! >> >>This completely eliminates the precession effect that tends >>to loosen left side flywheels in old-fashioned engines that >>use right-hand threading! >> >>Flywheel Building Issues >>Since I'm a practical mechanic as well as an inventor, I >>couldn't overlook the confusion that having two different >>types of bolts could cause. I've come up with an ingenious >>solution to the problem, however: >> >>As an optional accessory item to bilateral obverse thread >>systems, we are making available special color-coded bolts >>to help the engine builder keep track of which is which. >>Since left hand bolts look just like ordinary bolts, we >>offer special bright red bolts to fit the right-hand >>threaded spokes still used on the right side of the wheel. >>This prevents them from becoming confused with the left-hand >>threaded bolts. >> >>What About the Southern Hemisphere? >>Well, what about it? It is well known that in the Southern >>hemisphere, the problem of left flywheels loosening up does >>not occur, but rather it is the right flywheels that loosen >>up if left to their own devices. >> >>Hence, engineers who run engines mainly in the Southern >>hemisphere should use left hand threads on the right side >>flywheels, not the left. >> >>Honesty compels me to admit that for engineers who live and >>run engines within 50 miles of the Equator, any bolts will >>offer little functional value. >> >>Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the >>Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to >>swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the >>equator. >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Wed May 24 14:41:35 2006 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:41:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4474D30F.3000904@earthlink.net> Steve make sure you use a left and right handed sledge! thats is to make sure you get the correct tones :-) Clint Steve Royster wrote: > I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" > the spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this > information for the safety of the SEL! Steve Royster > > >> From: "Rob Skinner" >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation >> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:47:25 -0700 >> >> >> >If the flywheel runs the opposite way the outer >> > rim will tend to wan't to fold in on itself. >> >> Right you are, Lindsay. Renowned engine builder Sheldon >> Brown, partner of Jeremiah Cochran, studied the issue in >> great detail. Here is what he wrote in his Famous Flywheel >> Treatise of 1904: >> >> Are your flywheels spoked right, or are they giving you >> trouble? >> Many engineers would answer with a rueful "Right!" >> >> Spoke Cracking Leads to Flywheel Breakage! >> Thanks to superior American technology, modern engines are >> more powerful than ever. At the same time, the trend to >> lighter flywheels and fewer spokes continues. >> >> As a result of the higher stresses and cutting-edge >> construction, a fundamental design flaw in existing >> flywheels comes to light. Millions of engines are suffering >> cracked or broken spokes usually on the left side flywheel, >> leading to poor fuel economy at best, or getting left behind >> by your competition, or, in more severe cases, injury or >> death! >> >> Older flywheels were so over-built that they made up for >> incompetent design by having lots of heavy curved spokes and >> heavier-than-necessary rims. Even today, most right side >> flywheels hold up alright, because they still have more >> spokes than are needed to cope with the usual loads >> experienced by flywheels...but what about the all-important >> left flywheel? >> >> While the right side spokes tend to hold up alright, the >> left spokes are often left with insufficient strength. If a >> left spoke is cracked, there's no way that the engine can >> run right...you'll suffer catastrophic flywheel breakage due >> to metal fatigue on the left spokes. >> >> Go right now to wherever you left your engine, and check the >> spoke tension of your right wheel by plinking the spokes >> with a sledge hammer and listening to the tone. You'll >> probably find that the right side spokes are at the right >> tone, but that the left spokes will be less melodious. When >> you plunk the left spokes you'll notice that the pitch of >> the plunk is considerably lower than that of the right >> spokes. Why is this? >> >> The Myth of "Bent Spokes" >> Believe it or not, many of the unscrupulous con-artists that >> are so common in the engine industry will try to get you to >> believe that this is a "feature!" Yeah, right! >> >> They'll give you some spiel about a mystical property called >> "curve", which supposedly has something to do with the fact >> that the belt is on the right side. This is, of course, >> complete nonsense, since the belt never touches the >> flywheel, as long as your machinery is aligned just right. >> >> History Lesson Part 1. >> These idiots must have been left back in school when it was >> time to study history. Everybody knows that in the early >> days of engines, there was a problem with the left flywheels >> falling off. >> >> This was solved by the Wright brothers, when they invented >> the system of using a left-hand thread on the left flywheel >> bolt. >> >> Precession >> You might think that this would not be right, and that the >> Wright brothers had it backwards, because the friction of >> the main bearings would tend to turn the right flywheel to >> the left and the left flywheel to the right. Thus, the >> right-handed right flywheel should fall right off, while the >> left handed left flywheel would be left in place...but it >> doesn't work that way; instead an interaction with the >> Earth's magnetic field sets up eddy currents right in side >> the crankshaft, leading to a tendency for the flywheels to >> tighten themselves, as if by magic. >> >> History Lesson Part 2. >> When Nicolas Otto and Tullio Crossley independently invented >> the engine, back in the olden times, they used normal >> right-handed threading for the crankshaft main bearing caps. >> This worked alright for the left caps, but it was discovered >> that the right cap would tend to unscrew itself in use, >> unless the engine was left out in the rain, where rust could >> help to immobilize the threads. >> >> The great British engine inventor Dugald Clerk cured this >> problem by making the right crankshaft main bearing cap have >> left-hand threads, so that, even if it starts a little bit >> loose, it will tighten itself right up. >> >> The French were slow to pick up on this improved technique, >> and many German engines are still made with wrong-way >> threading, but the rest of the world has picked up on this, >> and the vast majority of engines now have main bearing caps >> that are threaded the right way: right threads on the left >> side, left threads on the right side. >> >> The Lessons of History >> Like many great inventions, bilateral obverse threading >> seems completely obvious once it has been explained; the >> solution to the problem of left flywheel breakage is, in >> fact just a simple matter of using a left-hand threading on >> the clamps that run to the left side of the flywheel! >> >> This completely eliminates the precession effect that tends >> to loosen left side flywheels in old-fashioned engines that >> use right-hand threading! >> >> Flywheel Building Issues >> Since I'm a practical mechanic as well as an inventor, I >> couldn't overlook the confusion that having two different >> types of bolts could cause. I've come up with an ingenious >> solution to the problem, however: >> >> As an optional accessory item to bilateral obverse thread >> systems, we are making available special color-coded bolts >> to help the engine builder keep track of which is which. >> Since left hand bolts look just like ordinary bolts, we >> offer special bright red bolts to fit the right-hand >> threaded spokes still used on the right side of the wheel. >> This prevents them from becoming confused with the left-hand >> threaded bolts. >> >> What About the Southern Hemisphere? >> Well, what about it? It is well known that in the Southern >> hemisphere, the problem of left flywheels loosening up does >> not occur, but rather it is the right flywheels that loosen >> up if left to their own devices. >> >> Hence, engineers who run engines mainly in the Southern >> hemisphere should use left hand threads on the right side >> flywheels, not the left. >> >> Honesty compels me to admit that for engineers who live and >> run engines within 50 miles of the Equator, any bolts will >> offer little functional value. >> >> Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the >> Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to >> swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the >> equator. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed May 24 14:28:31 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:28:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Mery castings] again References: <4474BCF8.3010402@mlode.com> Message-ID: <016d01c67f7c$dd2ca280$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I dont think I will ever take on another of those! Lots of really accurate stuff and you need a decent size mill too. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Mery castings] again > Didn't see Michael's message come through so we'll try it this way... > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > > Michael Bancroft wrote: > > I have a set of Mery Castings that it does not look like I will get to in > this life time. Set #107 unmachined except for flywheel that was done by > the factory. Any market for this project? > > Mbancroft@ hughes.net > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed May 24 15:24:51 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:24:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Do the bolts automatically change color when they cross the equator. Are they legal in OZ. How much do you charge? What size do I need? Sincerely: Confused in Hemet Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation As an optional accessory item to bilateral obverse thread systems, we are making available special color-coded bolts to help the engine builder keep track of which is which. Since left hand bolts look just like ordinary bolts, we offer special bright red bolts to fit the right-hand threaded spokes still used on the right side of the wheel. This prevents them from becoming confused with the left-hand threaded bolts. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 24 16:41:29 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:41:29 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Did Sheldon Brown take into account that the ambient temperatures throughout the world will rise by 6C in the next 20 years. This fact will be another factor in the " Great Fly wheel Debate''. Relative humidity will increase in some parts of the planet with increasing corrosion so providing a natural nut locking system .........Loctite sales will diminish ,natural fibres will be the only way ,for underpants I mean , none of this ''Man Made '' shit...........long live wool! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > Do the bolts automatically change color when they cross the equator. Are > they legal in OZ. > How much do you charge? What size do I need? > > Sincerely: > Confused in Hemet > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > > As an optional accessory item to bilateral obverse thread > systems, we are making available special color-coded bolts > to help the engine builder keep track of which is which. > Since left hand bolts look just like ordinary bolts, we > offer special bright red bolts to fit the right-hand > threaded spokes still used on the right side of the wheel. > This prevents them from becoming confused with the left-hand > threaded bolts. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jbcast at charter.net Wed May 24 17:23:48 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:23:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance Message-ID: <1805965249.1148516628177.JavaMail.root@fepweb08> > > I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of the > stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. I > think it will work. > > Anyway, I need the list's expert advise on how much piston-to-cylinder > clearance I need to leave. If not the actual JD service numbers then > possibly some general clearance ideas? Anyone? > > > Grant Weir > Saskatoon, SK. > Canada > > .001" per inch of bore for cast iron pistons, you can stay on the tight side if the engine isn't going right into heavy service. I usually leave the bore .005 under and clean up the piston. No problem with rings on this small amount. The bore is usually a standard dimension, 4", 4 3/8", whatever. The piston will usually measure under. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 24 17:47:06 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 20:47:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] New England OT Message-ID: <468.1774a5c.31a6588a@aol.com> We are thinking about taking a ride thru New England and maybe Nova Scotia June 10-17. Anyone know of "must see" places to stop and visit along the way? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 24 18:16:34 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:16:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44750572.1060008@scrtc.com> Arnie and Grant, I don't know what the proper "engineered" dimension should be but I always use the rule of 1/1000th clearance per inch of bore. So, my piston would be .00675 undersize. Its always worked for me but I don't know how close it would be to what the "book" says. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Grant, > >I don't have that clearance handy (but others will). Have you checked how >much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after you >turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves? > >See ya, Arnie > >On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote: > > > >>I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of the >>stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. I >>think it will work. >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------050006000106000401030805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Arnie and Grant,
    I don't know what the proper "engineered" dimension should be but I always use the rule of 1/1000th clearance per inch of bore. So, my piston would be .00675 undersize.  Its always worked for me but I don't know how close it would be to what the "book" says.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Hi Grant,

I don't have that clearance handy (but others will).  Have you checked how
much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after you
turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves?

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote:

  
I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of the
stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit.  I
think it will work.
    


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From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed May 24 18:44:46 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:44:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New England OT References: <468.1774a5c.31a6588a@aol.com> Message-ID: <00c801c67f9c$d4fe7730$4ff5f504@Ed> Hi Tom, Mystic Sea Port, Ct is interesting and they have a compound steam engine driven boat , the Siebel ? http://www.mysticseaport.org/ Also our club has a nice museum in Kent, CT , http://www.ctamachinery.com/ .I have two empty bedrooms but they are being restored and LORD only knows when the restoration will be done. :You know about how a restoration seems to never fine the end. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: [SEL] New England OT > We are thinking about taking a ride thru New England and maybe Nova Scotia > June 10-17. > > Anyone know of "must see" places to stop and visit along the way? > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed May 24 10:54:40 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:54:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <005501c67f5b$22e45a60$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation Big Snip> > Go right now to wherever you left your engine, and check the > spoke tension of your right wheel by plinking the spokes > with a sledge hammer and listening to the tone. You'll > probably find that the right side spokes are at the right > tone, but that the left spokes will be less melodious. When > you plunk the left spokes you'll notice that the pitch of > the plunk is considerably lower than that of the right > spokes. Why is this? Hi Rob, I will get down to the engine shed & "plink" the spokes of all my Right flywheels immediately with the sledgehammer. Why live a boring life with no sense of adventure! PS Why do you have to "Plink" the right flywheel & "plunk" the left one. PPS Would a Lump hammer be suitable for the lower tone of the left hand wheel. Thanks for your excellent advice. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed May 24 18:55:53 2006 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... Message-ID: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello folks, Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I am back. Hope you are all doing well. If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can I make for you.... email off list. One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. Later, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed May 24 19:30:36 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 19:30:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... References: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c67fa3$34cd3ba0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Joe, good to see you back. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... Hello folks, Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I am back. Hope you are all doing well. If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can I make for you.... email off list. One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. Later, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 24 19:56:39 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:56:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chickentown Message-ID: <20060524.230019.332.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Arnie - Dave, Are you planning to be at Chickentown this weekend ? Her Majesty & I are planning on it. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ May is Motorcycle Awareness Month. (_o_) "Look twice - Save a life". From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 24 20:03:19 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:03:19 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... In-Reply-To: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060525030312.YKUE1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Joe, Welcome back :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hello folks, Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I am back. Hope you are all doing well. If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can I make for you.... email off list. One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. Later, Joe From jbcast at charter.net Wed May 24 20:23:58 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 20:23:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... Message-ID: <1986554227.1148527438089.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> -Glad to have you back Joe. J.B. Castagnos From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed May 24 20:32:14 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:32:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics In-Reply-To: <20060524132716.LYYD27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, Thanks for the great pics as usual. The YC looks great. BTW DO you know who owms the W Type Stover? Regards Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 23:27:22 +1000 > >Some pics from Cambelltown Steam Museum on the weekend. I took the YC >Stover >out on Sunday and it ran as sweet as ever, until it ran out of fuel. >Throttlers sound nice but they go through a lot more fuel than the hit and >miss engines! >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay061.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed May 24 21:05:17 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:05:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <005501c67f5b$22e45a60$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <001301c67fb0$6ff90440$be85dccb@oemcomputer> Yoou blokes have got me real worried now.All the trips to the US and now you tell me that as we went north to south and the other way around we only had about 100 miles of safe flight.The rest of the time either the left engines or the right engines depending which way we were going could have wound of a turbine disc. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:54 Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:47 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > > > Big Snip> > > Go right now to wherever you left your engine, and check the > > spoke tension of your right wheel by plinking the spokes > > with a sledge hammer and listening to the tone. You'll > > probably find that the right side spokes are at the right > > tone, but that the left spokes will be less melodious. When > > you plunk the left spokes you'll notice that the pitch of > > the plunk is considerably lower than that of the right > > spokes. Why is this? > > > Hi Rob, I will get down to the engine shed & "plink" the spokes of > all my Right flywheels immediately with the sledgehammer. > Why live a boring life with no sense of adventure! > PS Why do you have to "Plink" the right flywheel & "plunk" the left one. > PPS Would a Lump hammer be suitable for the lower tone of the left hand wheel. > Thanks for your excellent advice. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 24 21:01:44 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 00:01:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... In-Reply-To: <1986554227.1148527438089.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> References: <1986554227.1148527438089.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> Message-ID: <29f168ae4dfcec39606d58e1d6addb68@chartertn.net> Yeah, welcome back, Joe! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed May 24 21:02:18 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:02:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Grant, The clearance should be one thou per inch of bore size if the pistons are cast iron. Regards Lyndsay >From: "Grant Weir" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:37:54 -0600 > > >Hello, > >This is kind of a tractor question but it is only a two cylinder tractor >so... :-) > >I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of >the stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. >I think it will work. > >Anyway, I need the list's expert advise on how much piston-to-cylinder >clearance I need to leave. If not the actual JD service numbers then >possibly some general clearance ideas? Anyone? > > >Grant Weir >Saskatoon, SK. >Canada > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From weirgrant at hotmail.com Wed May 24 22:37:31 2006 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 23:37:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: <44750572.1060008@scrtc.com> Message-ID: I knew you guys would have the answer! About a thou per inch of bore sounds perfect to me - thats about 6 or 7 thou of clearance which is right between my own guestimate of between 0.005 and 0.010. Too little is what was worrying me. The sleeves came with a 6.705" bore so that they would clean up to 6.750 once pressed in. I did not bore them once they were in, but only honed them instead. I used a 'real' bore hone - not one of those "deglazer" things - so the bore is nice and round. The new hole size is 6.720 which leaves me about 0.010-0.015 to take off the pistons for a primo fit. I don't think thats enough to worry about breaking through or weakening materials etc. The ring grooves are rather worn as well so I've got to widen and probably deepen them some too. Happily I have all new rings. When I pulled this engine apart I was totally amazed by how badly the bore was worn. I could actually look down past the piston and see the first ring! Just for fun I checked and it was almost 0.10" of clearance - wow. The fellow I bought it from claimed that it ran when he parked it (30 years ago...), but it was getting "...damn hard to start." No doubt! I guess if it ran with a hundred thou of piston clearance, anything more than 0.007 should be just fine. :-) Sorry to ramble on... Thanks for the info gang! Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston clearance >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:16:34 -0400 > >Arnie and Grant, > I don't know what the proper "engineered" dimension should be but I >always use the rule of 1/1000th clearance per inch of bore. So, my piston >would be .00675 undersize. Its always worked for me but I don't know how >close it would be to what the "book" says. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >>Hi Grant, >> >>I don't have that clearance handy (but others will). Have you checked how >>much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after you >>turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves? >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote: >> >> >> >>>I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of >>>the >>>stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. I >>>think it will work. >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > >--------------050006000106000401030805 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > >Arnie and Grant,
>    I don't know what the proper "engineered" dimension >should be but I >always use the rule of 1/1000th clearance per inch of bore. So, my >piston would be .00675 undersize.  Its always worked for me but I >don't >know how close it would be to what the "book" says.
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>Tommy Turner
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Hi Grant,
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>I don't have that clearance handy (but others will).  Have you checked how
>much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after you
>turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves?
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote:
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> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Thu May 25 01:28:03 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 1:28:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance Message-ID: <33505996.1148545683155.JavaMail.root@fepweb04> - > > When I pulled this engine apart I was totally amazed by how badly the bore > was worn. I could actually look down past the piston and see the first > ring! Just for fun I checked and it was almost 0.10" of clearance - wow. > The fellow I bought it from claimed that it ran when he parked it (30 years > ago...), but it was getting "...damn hard to start." No doubt! > Grant, the clearance should increase about .006" on each ring land, the top of the piston should have about .024" clearance. This is where the heat is and you need room for expansion. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu May 25 03:27:59 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 05:27:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... In-Reply-To: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <447586AF.4000502@wightman.ca> Good to see you back Joe. Duncan Joe Prindle wrote: >Hello folks, >Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I >am back. Hope you are all doing well. >If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can >I make for you.... email off list. >One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a >real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those >of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under >the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and >was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. >Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. >Later, >Joe > >Joe Prindle >Baraboo, WI USA > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu May 25 03:02:15 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:02:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... Message-ID: <052520061002.24751.447580A70002D320000060AF219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Joe, a big welcome back to you. By the way sent you an email several months ago for Joe Maurer. He wanted you to know that he could put you up at his house for the Stover reunion at Freeport show. Better let him know if your interested. glad your back, Curt Andree > Hello folks, > Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I > am back. Hope you are all doing well. > If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can > I make for you.... email off list. > One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a > real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those > of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under > the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and > was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. > Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. > Later, > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu May 25 03:15:21 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:15:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Telephone Directory Service Message-ID: <052520061015.28623.447583B90006734600006FCF219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Francis with the 411 web help. Was just looking for an engine friends phone number and it works great! Curt Andree > Hi List, > Periodically, we have members asking for telephone numbers of individuals or > businesses. Here is a free internet service that will help you find a > telephone number: <_http://www.free411.com/_ (http://www.free411.com/) > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > > -------------------------------1148484160 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > Arial"=20 > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> e_document=20 > face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> >
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 L> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdi at rochester.rr.com Thu May 25 04:12:59 2006 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:12:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wolseley Type "R" Message-ID: <003501c67fec$2eee0cc0$bafce448@rochester.rr.com> > ... One question - the gear on the maggy is breaking up pretty badly >(unuseable again) - was this made from leather? It is "flaking" apart like >a really old phenolic gear but I do not think that phenolic was around in >1928. Could it have been made from leather? Whatever it was made from was >obviously as a safety feature (as in "shear bolt") to prevent damage to >anything else, but why on the magneto which is a free running unit at the >end of the "power train" ? I will study it more carefully on Wednesday ( >and probably post some pics). >.... >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (It's taken me a few days to recall this word...) this layered fiber material may be "micarta". It was invented circa 1910 and fits your description. -Rick I. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 25 05:16:41 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:16:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chickentown In-Reply-To: <20060524.230019.332.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060524.230019.332.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <1148559401.4475a02910987@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Joe, No, we decided to go to the show in Wapakoneta, OH instead. It's a bit SW of Findlay Ohio. We've been thinking about it for a couple of years and decided that this is the year. We should get there around lunch time on Friday. Give Silvia a hug & kiss for me wouldja? See ya, Arnie Quoting "Joseph L. Betz" : > Hey Arnie - Dave, > Are you planning to be at Chickentown this weekend ? > Her Majesty & I are planning on it. From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu May 25 05:31:58 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:31:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New England OT In-Reply-To: <468.1774a5c.31a6588a@aol.com> References: <468.1774a5c.31a6588a@aol.com> Message-ID: <4475A3BE.2070501@insulate.co.uk> Hi Tom The Precision Engineering museum in Vermont is well worth a visit: http://www.americanprecision.org/ Dolly Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >We are thinking about taking a ride thru New England and maybe Nova Scotia >June 10-17. > >Anyone know of "must see" places to stop and visit along the way? > > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 25 05:51:03 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:51:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4475A837.8090506@imc-group.com> Grant, You may want to reference this chart (it's very readable once printed) as it addresses the stepping of the diameter as you approach the crown. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Grant Weir wrote: > > I knew you guys would have the answer! About a thou per inch of bore > sounds perfect to me - thats about 6 or 7 thou of clearance which is > right between my own guestimate of between 0.005 and 0.010. Too > little is what was worrying me. > > The sleeves came with a 6.705" bore so that they would clean up to > 6.750 once pressed in. I did not bore them once they were in, but > only honed them instead. I used a 'real' bore hone - not one of those > "deglazer" things - so the bore is nice and round. The new hole size > is 6.720 which leaves me about 0.010-0.015 to take off the pistons for > a primo fit. I don't think thats enough to worry about breaking > through or weakening materials etc. The ring grooves are rather worn > as well so I've got to widen and probably deepen them some too. > Happily I have all new rings. > > When I pulled this engine apart I was totally amazed by how badly the > bore was worn. I could actually look down past the piston and see the > first ring! Just for fun I checked and it was almost 0.10" of > clearance - wow. The fellow I bought it from claimed that it ran when > he parked it (30 years ago...), but it was getting "...damn hard to > start." No doubt! > > I guess if it ran with a hundred thou of piston clearance, anything > more than 0.007 should be just fine. :-) > > Sorry to ramble on... Thanks for the info gang! > > Grant Weir > Saskatoon, SK. > Canada > > > >> From: Judge Tommy Turner >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston clearance >> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:16:34 -0400 >> >> Arnie and Grant, >> I don't know what the proper "engineered" dimension should be but >> I always use the rule of 1/1000th clearance per inch of bore. So, my >> piston would be .00675 undersize. Its always worked for me but I >> don't know how close it would be to what the "book" says. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>> Hi Grant, >>> >>> I don't have that clearance handy (but others will). Have you >>> checked how >>> much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after >>> you >>> turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves? >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly >>>> undersize of the >>>> stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to >>>> fit. I >>>> think it will work. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------050006000106000401030805 >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Arnie and Grant,
>>     I don't know what the proper "engineered" >> dimension should be but I >> always use the rule of 1/1000th clearance per inch of bore. So, my >> piston would be .00675 undersize.  Its always worked for me but >> I don't >> know how close it would be to what the "book" says.
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>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 25 06:36:20 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:36:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New England OT In-Reply-To: <4475A3BE.2070501@insulate.co.uk> References: <468.1774a5c.31a6588a@aol.com> <4475A3BE.2070501@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <4475B2D4.9090207@imc-group.com> Tom, I would like to ditto Dolly's endorsement of the Precision Museum in VT. This collection of the earliest machine tools is meant to document the earliest tooling used in the gun smithing industry. I found a few pictures from our trip (years ago) and put together a quick web page so you can have a look. Nearby (I don't recall the town) is an EARLY hydroelectric power plant that is still on the grid. At the top of the page is a couple of thumbnails of the power plant. There are a couple pictures of a marine engine and of the Ticonderoga. The first of the Precision Museum pictures is of one of the earliest lathes. You'll notice the "ways" are granite slabs! All manual, not even feed. You will see a Bridgeport. This is s/n #1 ! The tall red machine is a broaching tool as I recall. Phenomenal detail in the pattern work. But what is most amazing is all the models of machinetools. As I recall the fellow that made them worked in a large shop by day and went home in the evenings (or perhaps after retirement) and made accurate models of the machines he used at work! The detail is unbelievable. Anyhow, I hope you enjoy these and you should certainly make a point to visit this treasure of New England. Link: Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jim French wrote: > Hi Tom > > The Precision Engineering museum in Vermont is well worth a visit: > http://www.americanprecision.org/ > > Dolly > > Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > >> We are thinking about taking a ride thru New England and maybe Nova >> Scotia June 10-17. >> >> Anyone know of "must see" places to stop and visit along the way? >> >> >> > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 25 07:01:00 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:01:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <410-220065324211728328@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Great Idea from both of you! Since the evil cloisterd oyster is deeply involved in Model T restoration, He'll not even notice if I "Test" his spokes........ >From: "Tim Christoff" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:17:28 -0500 > >Hey Steve, adding to the super fine advice of Arnie, make sure you use a >minimum 20 pound sledge hammer to make up for the high humidity that seems >to be present in your area. A lighter weight hammer just may not cut >through the air proper. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Arnie Fero > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 5/24/2006 3:50:47 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > > > > Hey Steve, > > > > I think this "testing" is probably very sensitive to the wristing as you > > swing the sledge. It would probably be best to do the initial testing >on > > the spokes of the engines belonging to the Evil Cloistered Oyster. Once > > you develop a feel for the proper "spong" sound you'll be ready to do >your > > own engines. > > > > BTW, you might want to be prepared to suspend testing if you hear... > > "KA-POW! SPONG!" 8-)) > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, Steve Royster wrote: > > > > > I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" >the > > > spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this information >for the > > > safety of the SEL! Steve Royster > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 5/23/2006 > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 25 07:21:29 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:21:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4475BD69.7000102@imc-group.com> Andy Glines wrote: > I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some cedar > logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the cedar logs > or any other slabs for that matter. Andy, What I have traditionally done is cut up small cedar trees of 6 to 8" in diameter. I cut these wafers about a 1/2" thick. The purple heart and great smell of cedar is found neat by most spectators. Generally as fast as I can cut these the spectators are taking them home with them. Eventually I would like to make a Cotton Ginning Days logo brand that could be burned into the wafers. I think your blacksmith already has done this with a SIAM brand. Curt From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 25 07:25:47 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:25:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... In-Reply-To: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Glad to have you back Joe, and great to meet you at Portland after all the Monitor help you shared with me over the years. Are you coming back this year? Steve Royster >From: Joe Prindle >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:55:53 -0700 (PDT) > >Hello folks, >Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I >am back. Hope you are all doing well. >If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can >I make for you.... email off list. >One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a >real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those >of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under >the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and >was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. >Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. >Later, >Joe > >Joe Prindle >Baraboo, WI USA > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 25 06:48:58 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 06:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4012.165.206.180.19.1148564938.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Once you resize the piston and recut the grooves to the proper depth, like Arnie said make sure there is meat left - then be REALLY sure to leave enough ring end gap - you'll likely need to file the ends a bit. The rings will be sized for a standard bore. You don't want them to get hot and expand and and seize in the bore. On a car it can snap piston tops - on a tractor, I suspect it will gaul (sp)cylinder walls and break rings. Bill (From hot and humid and dusty Waukee.........) > Hi Grant, > > I don't have that clearance handy (but others will). Have you checked how > much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after you > turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote: > >> I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of >> the >> stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. I >> think it will work. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu May 25 08:17:47 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:17:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please help identify this engine Message-ID: <200605251738859.SM00932@new.databak.co.za> Hi All, Someone gave me this modern Diesel engine yesterday. It is a horizontal radiator cooled and looks Japanese - possibly Kubota. Can anyone identify it for me please. I've put a few pics here: Many thanks Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 25 08:00:54 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... In-Reply-To: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hiya Joe, Jeeze, it's about bloody time!! So getting married didn't make your "top ten" list for last year? 8-)) Looking forward to Baraboo!! With all the Aussies it should really be a hoot! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 24 May 2006, Joe Prindle wrote: > Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I > am back. Hope you are all doing well. From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 25 09:26:20 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:26:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4475DAAC.4020706@imc-group.com> Steve, If for no other reason than entertainment, test the spokes on his Model T wheels while you are there. The varying tone as you work around a wheel ought to be interesting. And you get the added bonus of doing this 4 times. Curt Steve Royster wrote: > Great Idea from both of you! Since the evil cloisterd oyster is deeply > involved in Model T restoration, He'll not even notice if I "Test" his > spokes........ > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu May 25 09:47:11 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:47:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please help identify this engine In-Reply-To: <200605251738859.SM00932@new.databak.co.za> References: <200605251738859.SM00932@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <4475DF8F.2090103@scrtc.com> Looks Kubota to me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Hi All, > Someone gave me this modern Diesel engine yesterday. It is a > horizontal radiator cooled and looks Japanese - possibly Kubota. Can > anyone identify it for me please. > I've put a few pics here: > > Many thanks > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From oldengin at verizon.net Thu May 25 09:51:22 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:51:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... References: Message-ID: <005501c6801b$74e3b430$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> >>Hello folks, >>Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I >>am back. Hope you are all doing well. >>If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can >>I make for you.... email off list. >>One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a >>real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those >>of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under >>the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and >>was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. >>Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. >>Later, >>Joe >> >>Joe Prindle >>Baraboo, WI USA JOE!!!! good to see ya back, yes are you heading into PORTLAND again this year? You left before we could talk and am looking forward to doing so... Leroy From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu May 25 10:05:13 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:05:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Please help identify this engine Message-ID: <42b.244eb3d.31a73dc9@aol.com> Hi Jerry and Tommy, I concur that it looks like a Kubota. I have a Kubota two cylinder diesel that is much like this one except it has a little more sheet metal covering the fan/radiator area. If you are wanting to start a Kubota collection, I'll make you a good deal. :>) Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 5/25/2006 12:57:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: Looks Kubota to me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Hi All, > Someone gave me this modern Diesel engine yesterday. It is a > horizontal radiator cooled and looks Japanese - possibly Kubota. Can > anyone identify it for me please. > I've put a few pics here: > > Many thanks > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans -------------------------------1148576713 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jerry and Tommy,
I concur that it looks like a Kubota.  I have a Kubota two cylinde= r diesel that is much like this one except it has a little more sheet metal=20= covering the fan/radiator area.  If you are wanting to start a Kubota c= ollection, I'll make you a good deal.  :>)
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri USA
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/25/2006 12:57:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge= @scrtc.com writes:
Looks Kubota to me.

Tommy Turner
Mag= nolia, KY


> Hi All,
>         S= omeone gave me this modern Diesel engine yesterday. It is a
> horizon= tal radiator cooled and looks Japanese - possibly Kubota. Can
> anyon= e identify it for me please.
>         I've p= ut a few pics here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/diesel/index= .htm>
> Many thanks
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
&= gt; Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel= . (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
> Visit our website for old engines i= n South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans
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Tom,

 The Springfield Armory in Springfield MA. is a good place to spend 3 or 4 hours.  They have thousands of rifles from the late 1700's up through the M1 and M14.  They are about 10 minutes from I-91 and the admission is free.

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 From rotigel at alltel.net Thu May 25 13:07:02 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:07:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT In-Reply-To: <005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060525160452.04570d70@mail.alltel.net> > I mean , none of this ''Man Made '' shit...........long live wool! Hi Peter, Many of us strongly believe that wool from New Zealand has human DNA in it. Can you verify this for us? Dave From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 25 17:18:14 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:18:14 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer><002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm><005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> <6.1.2.0.0.20060525160452.04570d70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000601c68059$eba76a60$10402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> If the inference is that I am from NZ then get out your geography book! . Regarding your question, better direct it to a Kiwi.It's an old joke Dave ,rather dated now so don't stick your chin out too far. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT > >> I mean , none of this ''Man Made '' shit...........long live wool! > > Hi Peter, Many of us strongly believe that wool from New Zealand has human > DNA in it. Can you verify this for us? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu May 25 18:16:28 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:16:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT In-Reply-To: <000601c68059$eba76a60$10402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> <6.1.2.0.0.20060525160452.04570d70@mail.alltel.net> <000601c68059$eba76a60$10402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060525211313.02b80450@mail.alltel.net> Not at all Peter. You just seem to be so knowledgeable on so many things that I thought you might be able to help us out on this! Dave PS, Do you know how to sign your posts? At 08:18 PM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >If the inference is that I am from NZ then get out your geography book! > > >> >>> I mean , none of this ''Man Made '' shit...........long live wool! >> >>Hi Peter, Many of us strongly believe that wool from New Zealand has human >>DNA in it. Can you verify this for us? >> Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Thu May 25 19:30:29 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:30:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip(Now SIAM) In-Reply-To: <1183.65.6.252.223.1148381224.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522113408.020b0e00@alltel.net> <4471E0A1.4070107@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522135618.020e93f0@alltel.net> <1183.65.6.252.223.1148381224.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060525221802.02bcfd70@mail.alltel.net> At 06:47 AM 5/23/2006, you wrote: > >>> What are the dates for SIAM anyway? > > >The dates are June 9 - 11. >Curt and Devin will be there, but I will be at home in nursing school this >year. Who else is planning to go? >Missy Hi Missy, Curt is a OK guy and Devin is a great kid, BUT the only reason that Arnie and I go to SIAM is to see you! It's clear that we will have to rethink the trip this year! Can't you send Curt to the nursing classes and you and Devin come to SIAM? Dave PS, Been doing any shooting lately? I have a new piece that you need to try out. (See: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=11101&langId=-1&productId=14764&tabselected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=15704) Don't let the retail price scare you--I got mine for $620.00! PPS, If you are done with what I loaned you I could use them back. Thanks! From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 25 21:08:21 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:08:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer><002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm><005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3><6.1.2.0.0.20060525160452.04570d70@mail.alltel.net><000601c68059$eba76a60$10402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> <6.1.2.0.0.20060525211313.02b80450@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002901c6807a$0a9f3810$7e422ecb@ogborneuah38i3> I get the impression Dave that you are somewhat short in stature and as a consequence have the small mans problem .I really don't think I will bother with your ''Contributions''any more. Obviously I have hit a raw spot ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT > Not at all Peter. You just seem to be so knowledgeable on so many things > that I thought you might be able to help us out on this! > Dave > PS, Do you know how to sign your posts? > > At 08:18 PM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >>If the inference is that I am from NZ then get out your geography book! >> >> >>> >>>> I mean , none of this ''Man Made '' shit...........long live wool! >>> >>>Hi Peter, Many of us strongly believe that wool from New Zealand has >>>human >>>DNA in it. Can you verify this for us? >>> Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Fri May 26 03:24:07 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 05:24:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Air Compressor Message-ID: <4476D747.40602@wightman.ca> Here's something to belt up to. http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=134655&query=retrieval Duncan -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From shop at cccomm.net Fri May 26 08:55:40 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:55:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer><002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm><005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3><6.1.2.0.0.20060525160452.04570d70@mail.alltel.net><000601c68059$eba76a60$10402ecb@ogborneuah38i3><6.1.2.0.0.20060525211313.02b80450@mail.alltel.net> <002901c6807a$0a9f3810$7e422ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <03f901c680dc$d6aed3e0$6401a8c0@Shop> Now now boys, Texas is where the men are men and the sheep are afraid.................. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT >I get the impression Dave that you are somewhat short in stature and as a > consequence have the small mans problem .I really don't think I will > bother with your ''Contributions''any more. Obviously I have hit a raw > spot ! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to > OT > > >> Not at all Peter. You just seem to be so knowledgeable on so many things >> that I thought you might be able to help us out on this! >> Dave >> PS, Do you know how to sign your posts? >> >> At 08:18 PM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >>>If the inference is that I am from NZ then get out your geography book! >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> I mean , none of this ''Man Made '' shit...........long live wool! >>>> >>>>Hi Peter, Many of us strongly believe that wool from New Zealand has >>>>human >>>>DNA in it. Can you verify this for us? >>>> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Fri May 26 09:08:09 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:08:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT In-Reply-To: <03f901c680dc$d6aed3e0$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <032501c680de$95198310$8335c53e@doc> And there was me thinking it was Wales! Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Ernst > Sent: 26 May 2006 16:56 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine > rotation......rambling off to OT > > Now now boys, Texas is where the men are men and the sheep are > afraid.................. > > Dave From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri May 26 10:15:29 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:15:29 -0000 Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <4475BD69.7000102@imc-group.com> References: <4475BD69.7000102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060626120714.0211b378@herculesengines.com> I don't have a source for the cedar logs and your right, the smell and color are nice. But, this winter dad and I started clearing a field that had not been cropped for about 15 years. It had grown up with a bunch of 4-6" trees. We cut them in 8-12' lengths and set them aside planning on cutting them into firewood, or disks, at the SIAM show. We have a large pickup load. With at least 3 saw rigs going we should be able to cut them into fire wood in about a half hour.:-) With disks and less aggressive cutting they should last the weekend. Who all is planning on coming to SIAM? So far I know of Curt, Mike, Glenn, Andy and myself. Any others? Keith www.herculesengines.com At 09:21 AM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >Andy Glines wrote: > >> I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some >> cedar logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the >> cedar logs or any other slabs for that matter. > >Andy, >What I have traditionally done is cut up small cedar trees of 6 to >8" in diameter. I cut these wafers about a 1/2" thick. The purple >heart and great smell of cedar is found neat by most spectators. >Generally as fast as I can cut these the spectators are taking them >home with them. >Eventually I would like to make a Cotton Ginning Days logo brand >that could be burned into the wafers. I think your blacksmith >already has done this with a SIAM brand. >Curt > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri May 26 10:42:51 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:42:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron Message-ID: <246.b43da84.31a8981b@aol.com> Hi Keith, I will be at the SIAM show and Paul Maples said he is going to try to make it. See you there, Bill Miller. 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 From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue May 23 22:24:29 2006 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:24:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes Now.OT only References: <004701c67ec2$3cc386c0$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3><20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060523230550.04448238@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002a01c67ef2$550675f0$0edaeddc@morris> > The truth is that the majority of those of us in the USA are > "straight" (94%) while the majority of those in the UK are not. (Only 26% > of those in the UK are "straight" according to the latest Zogby poll--see: > http://zogby.com/ )The DOWN side of this for those of us in the USA is > that the 26% of those in the UK own 69% more trapezes than do the 94% of > us in the USA. > Dave > PS, Ask Dolly about that last statistic! Dave it is true that several years ago the pollies in the House of Commons were in session when the speaker said the next subject is the Homosexual Bill, when the leader go up and said crap I thought we had payed it. Kerry From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri May 26 14:02:18 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060626120714.0211b378@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <20060526210218.32602.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Keith I'm not sure if I am going to make it down or not yet. I cannot leave work early this year...and I have another event on Saturday morning...depending on soon that is over, I may drive on down. My folks are out in Washington DC (for the National Stamp Show see: http://www.washington-2006.org/ ) and points east until after the show at CPM. I hope they find a few engine ad covers for my collection at the show....My youngest sister has a 16 frame (16 pages per frame) exhibit on the history of the American Flag. Steve --- Keith Kinney wrote: > Who all is planning on coming to SIAM? So far I know of Curt, Mike, > Glenn, Andy and myself. Any others? > > Keith > www.herculesengines.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat May 27 21:18:49 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 00:18:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM Publication Change Message-ID: <447924A9.1020206@scrtc.com> I'm sure most of you have received your letter from the GEM as I have noting the changes that will be made in the publication dates of the GEM. We'll soon be going to a Bi Monthly publication meaning you'll get one magazine every other month. I know that business dictates things like this happen but I hate to see it. I can remember the days when it was in the bi monthly format and it seemed like a long time between issues. Steam Traction (for those of you that receive it) will be going to a quarterly (3 month) publication date. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun May 28 04:35:57 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 07:35:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM Publication Change References: <447924A9.1020206@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002601c6824a$e42700f0$bad84c0c@D48VHZ61> Hadn't got mine yet but I did notice in one of the more recent issues where you could get a set of CD's with all of the back issues on them. Guess I can get rid of my 20 years worth of GEM now. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: [SEL] GEM Publication Change > I'm sure most of you have received your letter from the GEM as I have > noting the changes that will be made in the publication dates of the GEM. > We'll soon be going to a Bi Monthly publication meaning you'll get one > magazine every other month. I know that business dictates things like > this happen but I hate to see it. I can remember the days when it was in > the bi monthly format and it seemed like a long time between issues. > Steam Traction (for those of you that receive it) will be going to a > quarterly (3 month) publication date. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun May 28 07:43:15 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 09:43:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GEM Publication Change In-Reply-To: <447924A9.1020206@scrtc.com> References: <447924A9.1020206@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <4479B703.7050904@wightman.ca> It is sure unfortunate but I bet they are having a heck of a time getting content for monthly issues. The convienance of the internet and e-mail will surely spell the end of a lot of printed publications down the road. Sad really. Duncan Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I'm sure most of you have received your letter from the GEM as I have > noting the changes that will be made in the publication dates of the > GEM. We'll soon be going to a Bi Monthly publication meaning you'll > get one magazine every other month. I know that business dictates > things like this happen but I hate to see it. I can remember the days > when it was in the bi monthly format and it seemed like a long time > between issues. Steam Traction (for those of you that receive it) > will be going to a quarterly (3 month) publication date. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 28 06:39:20 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 09:39:20 EDT Subject: [SEL] GEM Publication Change Message-ID: <467.1e1eff5.31ab0208@aol.com> In a message dated 5/28/2006 12:26:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: << We'll soon be going to a Bi Monthly publication >> Tommy, Got my letter also, and not sure how it will affect my subscription. Will miss the monthly issues! Mine goes thru January, but they offered a deal to sign up now and not sure if it will tack on to January or what. Guess I need to contact them. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 28 00:56:25 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:56:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kerry & the Crank Handle Message-ID: <20060528075625.VLSR4761.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I would hate to be the one to spread rumours but.... Kerry Morris is now an expert on at demonstrating how not to use a crank handle and how to stop it rotating with your face ;) The lesson is when you have to use a crank don't use ones with rotating handles. The sad part is it was not even Kerry's engine. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jlb94 at juno.com Mon May 29 10:24:34 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 13:24:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dave David Message-ID: <20060529.132434.1140.2.jlb94@juno.com> Dave, I lost your e-mail in my last crash - Also - If there is any way I can help you with what happened yesterday - let me know. As of now, I am planning on going to Orwell this weekend. Send me your e-mail. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ May is Motorcycle Awareness Month. (_o_) "Look twice - Save a life". From nick at holden1.net Mon May 29 10:19:51 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:19:51 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Battery's Message-ID: <447B2D37.000003.03884@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Can any one tell me the best size battery AH etc To run my R&V engine on I have just had a new 6 volt on but the spark out of the coil was not very good Have now got the battery on charge to try again I am trying a 6 volt 10 AH is this going to be able to run All weekend on Regards Nick Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun May 28 16:50:59 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:50:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Another New Toy Message-ID: <000e01c682b1$92e65a30$62f2eedc@fred> On last Saturday we finally collected our rarest engine ,it is a Vertical Hot Bulb Blackstone, we have been after one of these for years,unloaded it on sunday morning and it was running 2 hours later.,these are rare in Australia as only 5 came into the country and there are only a small number left in the world. I have put some photos on our web site .http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon May 29 06:31:38 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:31:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Another New Toy Message-ID: <003601c68324$3987cbe0$62f2eedc@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Another New Toy On last Saturday we finally collected our rarest engine ,it is a Vertical Hot Bulb Blackstone, we have been after one of these for years,unloaded it on sunday morning and it was running 2 hours later.,these are rare in Australia as only 5 came into the country and there are only a small number left in the world. I have put some photos on our web site .http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 29 11:01:39 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:01:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Battery's In-Reply-To: <447B2D37.000003.03884@YOUR-447023AE6B> References: <447B2D37.000003.03884@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060529135714.02bb6d38@mail.alltel.net> Hi Nick, 12 volts will not hurt anything and will give you a hotter spark. I use a 12 volt on my 1915 low tension Galloway and also on my high tension Domestic. Dave At 01:19 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: >Hi > >Can any one tell me the best size battery AH etc > >To run my R&V engine on I have just had a new > >6 volt on but the spark out of the coil was not very good > >Have now got the battery on charge to try again > >I am trying a 6 volt 10 AH is this going to be able to run > >All weekend on > > > >Regards Nick > > > >Nick > >Banbury (UK) > >http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 29 17:22:50 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 19:22:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Battery's In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060529135714.02bb6d38@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002c01c6837f$31700cf0$9400a8c0@sheeba> Yup - I run 2 - 6 volt gel-cell batteries (like from a computer UPS) in series to give me 12v. Lasts all weekend, good hot spark. NO coil damage or problems. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 1:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Battery's Hi Nick, 12 volts will not hurt anything and will give you a hotter spark. I use a 12 volt on my 1915 low tension Galloway and also on my high tension Domestic. Dave At 01:19 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: >Hi > >Can any one tell me the best size battery AH etc > >To run my R&V engine on I have just had a new > >6 volt on but the spark out of the coil was not very good > >Have now got the battery on charge to try again > >I am trying a 6 volt 10 AH is this going to be able to run > >All weekend on > > > >Regards Nick > > > >Nick > >Banbury (UK) > >http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon May 29 18:46:32 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:46:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Battery's Message-ID: <20060529.214648.876.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Nick, I use a Sealed Lead Battery (probably a Gell Cell) #Gp 1272 F2 12V 7.2 Ah CSB Battery Co., Ltd. Made in Taiwan I've been using it on my Ideal running battery & buzz coil. I think I charged it once in 4 years. But then - I only run the Ideal about 4 - 6 days a year. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ May is Motorcycle Awareness Month. (_o_) "Look twice - Save a life". From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 29 20:38:57 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:38:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dave David In-Reply-To: <20060529.132434.1140.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060529.132434.1140.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060529233506.02c71868@mail.alltel.net> Hi Joe, At 01:24 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: >Dave, > >I lost your e-mail in my last crash - I'm at rotigel at alltel.net >Also - If there is any way I can help you with what happened yesterday - >let me know. I'm not aware of anything that happened yesterday with which I need help. Please let me know EXACTLY what happened so that I can at least worry a bit! >As of now, I am planning on going to Orwell this weekend. I've got a weekend off--then it's off to SIAM! >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 29 20:49:21 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:49:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060626120714.0211b378@herculesengines.com> References: <4475BD69.7000102@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060626120714.0211b378@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060529233945.02c7f910@mail.alltel.net> Hi Keith, I'll be there and will be bringing an Ottawa Drag saw that I intend to use to make "rounds" about one/two inch thick. What are the chances of someone (that's you, white man) bringing an oak log or two for me to work on. (Or letting me know who to contact in order to obtain such raw material.) I'd need two of them 8 to 10 feet long and 15 to 20 inches (or so) in dia. Dave PS, I was at the Wapakoneta show this weekend and the Ottawa went through a 28 5/8" black oak log in about 10 minutes. I've sharpened the blade for SIAM! At 01:15 PM 6/26/2006, you wrote: >I don't have a source for the cedar logs and your right, the smell and >color are nice. But, this winter dad and I started clearing a field that >had not been cropped for about 15 years. It had grown up with a bunch of >4-6" trees. We cut them in 8-12' lengths and set them aside planning on >cutting them into firewood, or disks, at the SIAM show. We have a large >pickup load. With at least 3 saw rigs going we should be able to cut them >into fire wood in about a half hour.:-) With disks and less aggressive >cutting they should last the weekend. > >Who all is planning on coming to SIAM? So far I know of Curt, Mike, >Glenn, Andy and myself. Any others? > >Keith >www.herculesengines.com > >At 09:21 AM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >>Andy Glines wrote: >> >>> I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some cedar >>> logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the cedar logs >>> or any other slabs for that matter. >> >>Andy, >>What I have traditionally done is cut up small cedar trees of 6 to 8" in >>diameter. I cut these wafers about a 1/2" thick. The purple heart and >>great smell of cedar is found neat by most spectators. Generally as fast >>as I can cut these the spectators are taking them home with them. >>Eventually I would like to make a Cotton Ginning Days logo brand that >>could be burned into the wafers. I think your blacksmith already has done >>this with a SIAM brand. >>Curt >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Keith Kinney >Evansville, Indiana USA >www.HerculesEngines.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 30 04:08:55 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:08:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Battery's In-Reply-To: <447B2D37.000003.03884@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <20060530110852.YZQB19512.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Nick, I use a 12v gel-cell and the low-tension side of an automotive coil on my 1hp R&V and on the 12hp as well. Both run fine but I get much better battery life on the 12hp, probably because it fires a lot less than the little one :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Can any one tell me the best size battery AH etc To run my R&V engine on I have just had a new 6 volt on but the spark out of the coil was not very good Have now got the battery on charge to try again I am trying a 6 volt 10 AH is this going to be able to run All weekend on Regards Nick From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 30 04:55:46 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:55:46 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Another New Toy In-Reply-To: <000e01c682b1$92e65a30$62f2eedc@fred> Message-ID: <20060530115542.RFZA25409.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Brian, A nice find. They are a nice, rare engine. A mate of mine has almost all of one but it is a little sad. It will run again one day. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03052522.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03070609.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03052525.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- On last Saturday we finally collected our rarest engine ,it is a Vertical Hot Bulb Blackstone, we have been after one of these for years,unloaded it on sunday morning and it was running 2 hours later.,these are rare in Australia as only 5 came into the country and there are only a small number left in the world. I have put some photos on our web site .http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 30 06:51:00 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:51:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dave David Message-ID: <20060530.095627.280.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave Rotigel, I misspelled Dave Davis, That was meant for him. The message got through and I got his reply. Thanks for replying. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ May is Motorcycle Awareness Month. (_o_) "Look twice - Save a life". From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue May 30 11:42:53 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:42:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report Message-ID: <009d01c68418$dc93e7c0$4f704047@pengy> This Friday, June 2 we are planning to move the LP cylinder, HP cylinder, HP connecting rod and throttle valve assembly from storage at V&M Star Steel in Girard, OH to the museum site in Youngstown. This is about 85,000 lbs. worth of parts and still leaves 180,000 lbs. worth of parts at V&M Star to be moved later this summer. We will have a 50 ton crane and two semi trucks Friday and I will of course post photos in a Webshots album once the move is complete. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue May 30 11:49:22 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:49:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How many of you remember.... Message-ID: <00a801c68419$c47a3530$4f704047@pengy> How many of you were on the list when these cartoons were created by an SEL member about our project moving the Tod Engine? These are from 1995 or 96. Who is that man in suspenders? http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/todcartoon2.jpg http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/todcartoon1.jpg http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Todcartoon.jpg Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark From rbackus at ogdenpubs.com Tue May 30 12:35:21 2006 From: rbackus at ogdenpubs.com (Richard Backus) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:35:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <200605281600.k4SG06uq006089@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Tommy, we are indeed switching to a bimonthly schedule. It hasn't been an easy decision to make, but in the end it's really the best way to make sure GEM sticks around for years to come. As you noted, GEM used to be bimonthly, from 1966 until 1985, when it went monthly. If you look back at some of those issues from the 80s and 90s, you can see that the grass roots interest in old engines was on fire. For example, the August 1993 issue had 52 pages of ads. We rarely run half that many pages now. In many ways the hobby's peaked. That doesn't mean it's run its course, but that its big growth cycle is over and now we have to work with what's in front of us. I'm not any more excited about it than the rest of you, but assistant editor Erin Shipps and I see a chance to have more time to research and develop articles, and while we'll be cutting back on the number of issues, we're going to increase the number of editorial pages from where it stands now. I'm pretty confident that when the dust settles we'll discover that we have a better magazine, even if it's not coming to us as often as we'd like. And we'll be making sure that GEM is around for many years to come. Richard -- Richard S. Backus Editor-in-Chief/Farm Collectibles Farm Collector, Farm Collector Show Directory, Gas Engine Magazine and Steam Traction 1503 SW 42nd St. Topeka, KS 66609-1265 Phone: 785-274-4383 Fax: 785-274-4305 http://www.ogdenpubs.com http://www.farmcollector.com > From: > Reply-To: > Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:00:06 -0400 > To: > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28 > > I'm sure most of you have received your letter from the GEM as I have > noting the changes that will be made in the publication dates of the > GEM. We'll soon be going to a Bi Monthly publication meaning you'll get > one magazine every other month. I know that business dictates things > like this happen but I hate to see it. I can remember the days when it > was in the bi monthly format and it seemed like a long time between > issues. Steam Traction (for those of you that receive it) will be going > to a quarterly (3 month) publication date. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 30 12:47:02 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:47:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How many of you remember.... In-Reply-To: <00a801c68419$c47a3530$4f704047@pengy> References: <00a801c68419$c47a3530$4f704047@pengy> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060530154152.02c88600@mail.alltel.net> Where in the hell did that little 2 ton flywheel come from? Dave PS, Never saw these before. Who did them? At 02:49 PM 5/30/2006, you wrote: >How many of you were on the list when these cartoons were created by an >SEL member about our project moving the Tod Engine? These are from 1995 >or 96. Who is that man in suspenders? > >http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/todcartoon2.jpg > >http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/todcartoon1.jpg > >http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Todcartoon.jpg > >Rick Rowlands From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 30 12:36:45 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: GEM Bimonthly Schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Richard, > Tommy, we are indeed switching to a bimonthly schedule. It hasn't been an > easy decision to make, but in the end it's really the best way to make sure > GEM sticks around for years to come. As you noted, GEM used to be bimonthly, > from 1966 until 1985, when it went monthly. If you look back at some of > those issues from the 80s and 90s, you can see that the grass roots interest > in old engines was on fire. For example, the August 1993 issue had 52 pages > of ads. We rarely run half that many pages now. In many ways the hobby's > peaked. That doesn't mean it's run its course, but that its big growth cycle > is over and now we have to work with what's in front of us. I'm not sure that I'd agree that the old engine hobby has peaked. Rather, I think GEM (and other similar "interest" mags) are feeling the effects of the net. In the 80's and 90's folks would send you a roll of film with a brief show report. There would be many of those. Today, folks whip out a web page show report with words and photos in a matter of hours after returning from a show. The "news" of the show report gets distributed world-wide via a number of forums like this one. The timeliness of that medium is impossible to match with a printed magazine. The net has also forever changed the way a lot of old iron is bought and sold. Engines are advertised on a variety of "Classified Ad" pages or put up for sale on eBay. Finally, the "what is it" or "how do I" types of questions are now posted and answered in minutes via the net. Those three categories alone represent a chunk of displaced content for GEM (and the other mags). > I'm not any more excited about it than the rest of you, but assistant editor > Erin Shipps and I see a chance to have more time to research and develop > articles, and while we'll be cutting back on the number of issues, we're > going to increase the number of editorial pages from where it stands now. > I'm pretty confident that when the dust settles we'll discover that we have > a better magazine, even if it's not coming to us as often as we'd like. And > we'll be making sure that GEM is around for many years to come. My guess is that GEM will evolve to include far more editorial-generated content and far less of the "this was our local show" or "here's my new engine" content that was in many of the older issues. It may be a bit tricky identifying just what the "new GEM" should look like and managing the transition in format, but I for one am looking forward to the "newer and better" GEM. Good luck! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue May 30 14:35:29 2006 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:35:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine shows Message-ID: <003001c68430$fae6e390$35482f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Everyone, With you all discussing tactics for the comming shows , I must say that I have spent the evening loading up for the trip to Holland to exhibit at the international show at Nunen which is beside Eindhoven. This is the biggest engine only show in mainland europe. Don't know if anyone from over the pond is planning on attending , but it is well worth seeing. If anyone is do be sure to have a chat with us , we'll be easyily found as I'll have a Scottish flag flying. See ya , Craig in Scotland Ps; Nev Beaty should be beside us as well From oldironnut at alltel.net Tue May 30 14:39:10 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:39:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fun with the Famous Message-ID: <20060530213910.FGSE26070.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Howdy all, I'm in the process of trying to get my 1907 4 hp IHC Famous ready for its debut at the SIAM show in a couple of weeks. One of the main projects for this weekend was to get the fuel system fully functional. I also played with the governor springs and got her ticking along at 82 rpm and firing once every 24 to 26 revolutions with 18 seconds between hits. Ah, life is good! Now to get the water system going! She won't be sawing wood for SIAM but at least she'll be running nicely. Mike From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 30 15:07:11 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:07:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] engine shows In-Reply-To: <003001c68430$fae6e390$35482f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <003001c68430$fae6e390$35482f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060530180614.02cd3e90@mail.alltel.net> > See ya , Craig in Scotland > > Ps; Nev Beaty should be beside us as well Hi Craig, May God help you and protect you during this ordeal! Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 30 16:20:34 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:20:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron Message-ID: <447CD342.6070908@scrtc.com> I just brought this home. I've owned it for a number of years but its been in IL sitting in a barn. I went this weekend and picked it up: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284937 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284940 I'm not sure how much it was run but from the looks of the gearing, not a great deal: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284938 I haven't seen rod oiler on other IHC engines. I'm sure its the original. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284943 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 30 16:52:57 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:52:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron In-Reply-To: <447CD342.6070908@scrtc.com> References: <447CD342.6070908@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060530195204.02d2de40@mail.alltel.net> Looks GREAT Tommy. Will it be at Portland this year? Dave At 07:20 PM 5/30/2006, you wrote: > I just brought this home. I've owned it for a number of years but its > been in IL sitting in a barn. I went this weekend and picked it up: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284937 >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284940 > > > I'm not sure how much it was run but from the looks of the gearing, > not a great deal: >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284938 > > > I haven't seen rod oiler on other IHC engines. I'm sure its the original. >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284943 > >Tommy Turner From oiseming at moscow.com Tue May 30 17:11:32 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:11:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron In-Reply-To: <447CD342.6070908@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200605310011.k4V0Bn1U092584@mail-gw.fsr.net> Tommy, it is a beauty! Good for you! Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron I just brought this home. I've owned it for a number of years but its been in IL sitting in a barn. I went this weekend and picked it up: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284937 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284940 I'm not sure how much it was run but from the looks of the gearing, not a great deal: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284938 I haven't seen rod oiler on other IHC engines. I'm sure its the original. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284943 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 30 17:59:12 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:29:12 +0930 Subject: [SEL] engine shows References: <003001c68430$fae6e390$35482f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <003f01c6844d$6e922ea0$dac88890@chaos> http://home.hetnet.nl/~antonvandercruijsen/ has the flyer for that show, and great pics from previous years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:05 AM Subject: [SEL] engine shows Hi Everyone, With you all discussing tactics for the comming shows , I must say that I have spent the evening loading up for the trip to Holland to exhibit at the international show at Nunen which is beside Eindhoven. This is the biggest engine only show in mainland europe. Don't know if anyone from over the pond is planning on attending , but it is well worth seeing. If anyone is do be sure to have a chat with us , we'll be easyily found as I'll have a Scottish flag flying. See ya , Craig in Scotland Ps; Nev Beaty should be beside us as well _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 30 19:39:28 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:39:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060530195204.02d2de40@mail.alltel.net> References: <447CD342.6070908@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060530195204.02d2de40@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <447D01E0.2000202@scrtc.com> Doubtful Dave. I probably won't have time to go through it, make tanks, etc. before late August. I haven't thought yet about what I'll bring. I'll have to dig something out of the shed. I might get to make it to SIAM on Friday (I have something scheduled for Sat.) If so, I hope to see you and others in a week and half. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Looks GREAT Tommy. Will it be at Portland this year? > Dave From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue May 30 19:54:29 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:54:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron Message-ID: <3c1.2ff083a.31ae5f65@aol.com> Tommy, Good to hear you are going to be at the SIAM show, I haven't seen you since the RPRU in Lebanon, TN. last year. See'ya, Bill Miller. -------------------------------1149044068 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue May 30 20:24:44 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 03:24:44 -0000 Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060529233945.02c7f910@mail.alltel.net> References: <4475BD69.7000102@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060626120714.0211b378@herculesengines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060529233945.02c7f910@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060630222259.0212fe30@herculesengines.com> Dave Sounds like a great display. Glenn has volunteered to bring you some logs. I think I'll try to bring our Economy log saw. We've never tried to actually cut a log with it. Keith At 10:49 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: >Hi Keith, > I'll be there and will be bringing an Ottawa Drag saw that > I intend to use to make "rounds" about one/two inch thick. What are > the chances of someone (that's you, white man) bringing an oak log > or two for me to work on. (Or letting me know who to contact in > order to obtain such raw material.) I'd need two of them 8 to 10 > feet long and 15 to 20 inches (or so) in dia. > Dave >PS, I was at the Wapakoneta show this weekend and the Ottawa went >through a 28 5/8" black oak log in about 10 minutes. I've sharpened >the blade for SIAM! > >At 01:15 PM 6/26/2006, you wrote: >>I don't have a source for the cedar logs and your right, the smell >>and color are nice. But, this winter dad and I started clearing a >>field that had not been cropped for about 15 years. It had grown >>up with a bunch of 4-6" trees. We cut them in 8-12' lengths and >>set them aside planning on cutting them into firewood, or disks, at >>the SIAM show. We have a large pickup load. With at least 3 saw >>rigs going we should be able to cut them into fire wood in about a >>half hour.:-) With disks and less aggressive cutting they should >>last the weekend. >> >>Who all is planning on coming to SIAM? So far I know of Curt, >>Mike, Glenn, Andy and myself. Any others? >> >>Keith >>www.herculesengines.com >> >>At 09:21 AM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >>>Andy Glines wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some >>>> cedar logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the >>>> cedar logs or any other slabs for that matter. >>> >>>Andy, >>>What I have traditionally done is cut up small cedar trees of 6 to >>>8" in diameter. I cut these wafers about a 1/2" thick. The purple >>>heart and great smell of cedar is found neat by most spectators. >>>Generally as fast as I can cut these the spectators are taking >>>them home with them. >>>Eventually I would like to make a Cotton Ginning Days logo brand >>>that could be burned into the wafers. I think your blacksmith >>>already has done this with a SIAM brand. >>>Curt >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>Keith Kinney >>Evansville, Indiana USA >>www.HerculesEngines.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From oiseming at moscow.com Tue May 30 20:49:06 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:49:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] engine shows In-Reply-To: <003f01c6844d$6e922ea0$dac88890@chaos> Message-ID: <200605310350.k4V3nNZj061367@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of derek Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] engine shows Hi Everyone, With you all discussing tactics for the comming shows , I must say that I have spent the evening loading up for the trip to Holland to exhibit at the international show at Nunen which is beside Eindhoven. This is the biggest engine only show in mainland europe. Don't know if anyone from over the pond is planning on attending , but it is well worth seeing. If anyone is do be sure to have a chat with us , we'll be easyily found as I'll have a Scottish flag flying. See ya , Craig in Scotland Ps; Nev Beaty should be beside us as well ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Here's hoping you can take some pictures you can post, later. The Nunen pics from previous years have been the most interesting and spectacular engine pictures to come down the pike. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Wed May 31 04:11:16 2006 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:11:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] engine shows Message-ID: <4b1.858edd.31aed3d4@aol.com> Hi Craig Ron Irving from Oz will be there he is originally from your part of the world so keep an eye out for an Aussie with a scots accent. I will be in Glasgow in August maybe I will see you you there Peter Woodmore. peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name Woadmere --part1_4b1.858edd.31aed3d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Craig
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Skype name Woadmere From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed May 31 05:12:19 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:12:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fun with the Famous References: <20060530213910.FGSE26070.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <007901c684ab$77f72f00$3c84dccb@oemcomputer> Been doing much the same only on my 10HP Famous.To take to the Manilla show.Spent today making a new fuel tank.Once this is done and fitted and piped up it will be ready to go.I have got it ticking over at 120rpm,not bad for a throttler. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:39 Subject: [SEL] Fun with the Famous > Howdy all, > > I'm in the process of trying to get my 1907 4 hp IHC Famous ready for its debut at the SIAM show in a couple of weeks. One of the main projects for this weekend was to get the fuel system fully functional. I also played with the governor springs and got her ticking along at 82 rpm and firing once every 24 to 26 revolutions with 18 seconds between hits. Ah, life is good! Now to get the water system going! She won't be sawing wood for SIAM but at least she'll be running nicely. > > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed May 31 08:52:28 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:52:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060630222259.0212fe30@herculesengines.com> References: <4475BD69.7000102@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060626120714.0211b378@herculesengines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060529233945.02c7f910@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060630222259.0212fe30@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060531114704.02cdf2c8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Keith, GREAT! I have a Witte drag saw also, but I need to have the WICO rebuilt so I guess that I'll leave that one at home. I don't know too much about operating a drag saw, but WC (at the Cotton Ginning Show last year) showed me lots of tips that I can pass along to you. See you on Thursday the 8th. I should pull in about 5:00/6:00 pm! Dave PS, I'm in the market for a Hercules built drag saw. Keep me in mind! At 11:24 PM 6/30/2006, you wrote: >Dave >Sounds like a great display. Glenn has volunteered to bring you some >logs. I think I'll try to bring our Economy log saw. We've never tried >to actually cut a log with it. >Keith > > > >At 10:49 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Keith, >> I'll be there and will be bringing an Ottawa Drag saw that I >> intend to use to make "rounds" about one/two inch thick. What are the >> chances of someone (that's you, white man) bringing an oak log or two >> for me to work on. (Or letting me know who to contact in order to obtain >> such raw material.) I'd need two of them 8 to 10 feet long and 15 to 20 >> inches (or so) in dia. >> Dave >>PS, I was at the Wapakoneta show this weekend and the Ottawa went through >>a 28 5/8" black oak log in about 10 minutes. I've sharpened the blade for SIAM! >> >>At 01:15 PM 6/26/2006, you wrote: >>>I don't have a source for the cedar logs and your right, the smell and >>>color are nice. But, this winter dad and I started clearing a field >>>that had not been cropped for about 15 years. It had grown up with a >>>bunch of 4-6" trees. We cut them in 8-12' lengths and set them aside >>>planning on cutting them into firewood, or disks, at the SIAM show. We >>>have a large pickup load. With at least 3 saw rigs going we should be >>>able to cut them into fire wood in about a half hour.:-) With disks and >>>less aggressive cutting they should last the weekend. >>> >>>Who all is planning on coming to SIAM? So far I know of Curt, Mike, >>>Glenn, Andy and myself. Any others? >>> >>>Keith >>>www.herculesengines.com >>> >>>At 09:21 AM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >>>>Andy Glines wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some cedar >>>>> logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the cedar logs >>>>> or any other slabs for that matter. >>>> >>>>Andy, >>>>What I have traditionally done is cut up small cedar trees of 6 to 8" >>>>in diameter. I cut these wafers about a 1/2" thick. The purple heart >>>>and great smell of cedar is found neat by most spectators. Generally as >>>>fast as I can cut these the spectators are taking them home with them. >>>>Eventually I would like to make a Cotton Ginning Days logo brand that >>>>could be burned into the wafers. I think your blacksmith already has >>>>done this with a SIAM brand. >>>>Curt >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>>Keith Kinney >>>Evansville, Indiana USA >>>www.HerculesEngines.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Keith Kinney >Evansville, Indiana USA >www.HerculesEngines.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 31 11:15:21 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:15:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron Message-ID: <491.1755735.31af3739@aol.com> In a message dated 5/30/2006 7:45:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: << I just brought this home >> Tommy, That is a nice 6 Famous. The rod greaser is new to me. Can you tell me a little about it. Never see one with windows to let you see how much grease is left! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 31 12:04:20 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:04:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron In-Reply-To: <491.1755735.31af3739@aol.com> References: <491.1755735.31af3739@aol.com> Message-ID: <447DE8B4.1080906@scrtc.com> Tom, Actually it contained oil instead of grease. The oil would sling around inside and there was the adjustment on top to set how much was allowed down into the rod to oil the bearing. I've never seen one on an International like it before. The rod oilers were sometimes a bit messy. Grease would "ooze" out around the bearing and would sling off in a glob and would pretty much stay where it landed. With the oiler, the excess would sling off in drops and would end up running on down the rear, sides and anywhere else on the engine. The rod oilers are a neat feature though. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >In a message dated 5/30/2006 7:45:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > ><< I just brought this home >> > > >Tommy, > >That is a nice 6 Famous. The rod greaser is new to me. Can you tell me a >little about it. Never see one with windows to let you see how much grease is >left! > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed May 31 13:46:23 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:46:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <200605311600.k4VG051X022827@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Sounds like Keith and Glenn have things covered. I could bring some drag saw logs if I need to. I also might have a line on a couple of little cedar trees. I'll try to remember to ask about them. >------------------------------ > >Message: 15 >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:24:31 -0500 >From: Keith Kinney >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060630222259.0212fe30 at herculesengines.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Dave >Sounds like a great display. Glenn has volunteered to bring you some >logs. I think I'll try to bring our Economy log saw. We've never >tried to actually cut a log with it. >Keith > > > >At 10:49 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: > >Hi Keith, > > I'll be there and will be bringing an Ottawa Drag saw that > > I intend to use to make "rounds" about one/two inch thick. What are > > the chances of someone (that's you, white man) bringing an oak log > > or two for me to work on. (Or letting me know who to contact in > > order to obtain such raw material.) I'd need two of them 8 to 10 > > feet long and 15 to 20 inches (or so) in dia. > > Dave > >PS, I was at the Wapakoneta show this weekend and the Ottawa went > >through a 28 5/8" black oak log in about 10 minutes. I've sharpened > >the blade for SIAM! > > > >At 01:15 PM 6/26/2006, you wrote: > >>I don't have a source for the cedar logs and your right, the smell > >>and color are nice. But, this winter dad and I started clearing a > >>field that had not been cropped for about 15 years. It had grown > >>up with a bunch of 4-6" trees. We cut them in 8-12' lengths and > >>set them aside planning on cutting them into firewood, or disks, at > >>the SIAM show. We have a large pickup load. With at least 3 saw > >>rigs going we should be able to cut them into fire wood in about a > >>half hour.:-) With disks and less aggressive cutting they should > >>last the weekend. > >> > >>Who all is planning on coming to SIAM? So far I know of Curt, > >>Mike, Glenn, Andy and myself. Any others? > >> > >>Keith > >>www.herculesengines.com > >> > >>At 09:21 AM 5/25/2006, you wrote: > >>>Andy Glines wrote: > >>> > >>>> I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some > >>>> cedar logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the > >>>> cedar logs or any other slabs for that matter. > >>> > >>>Andy, > >>>What I have traditionally done is cut up small cedar trees of 6 to > >>>8" in diameter. I cut these wafers about a 1/2" thick. The purple > >>>heart and great smell of cedar is found neat by most spectators. > >>>Generally as fast as I can cut these the spectators are taking > >>>them home with them. > >>>Eventually I would like to make a Cotton Ginning Days logo brand > >>>that could be burned into the wafers. I think your blacksmith > >>>already has done this with a SIAM brand. > >>>Curt > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >>Keith Kinney > >>Evansville, Indiana USA > >>www.HerculesEngines.com From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue May 30 18:26:09 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:26:09 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Another New Toy References: <20060530115542.RFZA25409.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001901c68451$3a726230$dc27693a@fred> Hi Patrick, do you know the Bore size and engine No. as stamped on crankshaft end ? it looks like it may be the samesize as our engine. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ > all of one but it is a little sad. It will run again one day. > > > > On last Saturday we finally collected our rarest engine ,it is a Vertical > Hot Bulb Blackstone, we have been after one of these for years,unloaded it > on sunday morning and it was running 2 hours later.,these are rare in > Australia as only 5 came into the country and there are only a small > number > left in the world. > I have put some photos on our web site > .http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ > Brian & David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03)97266147 > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > Web Site > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.4/351 - Release Date: 29/05/2006 > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 31 20:48:29 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:48:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebay Item Message-ID: <447E638D.6070207@scrtc.com> Here is a pretty neat set up that's on ebay. The CH&E Engines are hard to come by and I've never seen one with a direct connected pump outfit. The item number is: 7624035325 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed May 31 21:54:46 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:54:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ebay Item Message-ID: <20060531.215446.676.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Tommy. That is a really nice unit, would make a great display. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 31 May 2006 23:48:29 -0400 Judge Tommy Turner writes: > Here is a pretty neat set up that's on ebay. The CH&E Engines are > hard > to come by and I've never seen one with a direct connected pump > outfit. > The item number is: > > 7624035325 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 1 06:02:03 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 07:02:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2 hp Galloway Message-ID: Howdy all; Looking for any information, Bore/Stroke, Pictures, etc., for a 2hp Galloway. I have a lead on a burnt one, but no clue as to what they look like. TIA, RickinMt. From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon May 1 07:01:11 2006 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:01:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2 hp Galloway References: Message-ID: <00ae01c66d27$b446f8a0$6401a8c0@office> How about a 2 1/2? It's got a 4 1/2" bore & 7" stroke. These were the earlier ones that were later rerated as 3hp. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > Looking for any information, Bore/Stroke, Pictures, etc., for a 2hp > Galloway. I have a lead on a burnt one, but no clue as to what they look > like. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 1 07:25:29 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:25:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2 hp Galloway References: <00ae01c66d27$b446f8a0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: No John..this is a 2hp. (course a 2.5 would be very welcome, also), but you have one listed on your registry..1st page, towards the top. Thanks much pard Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2 hp Galloway > How about a 2 1/2? It's got a 4 1/2" bore & 7" stroke. These were the > earlier ones that were later rerated as 3hp. > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > > Looking for any information, Bore/Stroke, Pictures, etc., for a 2hp > > Galloway. I have a lead on a burnt one, but no clue as to what they > > look > > like. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon May 1 07:42:23 2006 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:42:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2 hp Galloway References: <00ae01c66d27$b446f8a0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <00cd01c66d2d$75aa9fb0$6401a8c0@office> Yep, but I only had the data on the 2 1/2. I'll keep digging. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > No John..this is a 2hp. (course a 2.5 would be very welcome, also), but > you have one listed on your registry..1st page, towards the top. From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 1 09:57:46 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:57:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. Message-ID: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Folks this was a banner weekend! Accomplished a significant milestone in the restoration of the Alamo engine by successfully pouring both the lower and upper mains on this engine. I had done lowers before, but was apprehensive about the uppers. As it turned out they were easier than the lowers. Missy and I picture documented this as best we could and I've put it on the website. Maybe it will be useful to someone when pouring theirs. Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnails.html Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon May 1 10:39:40 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 17:39:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. In-Reply-To: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: What a great documentary!! Thank you both for taking the time to photograph and share this. Obviously alot of thought went into the setup. Looks like the bearings came out perfect. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: Curt > >Folks this was a banner weekend! Accomplished a significant milestone in >the restoration of the Alamo engine by successfully pouring both the lower >and upper mains on this engine. I had done lowers before, but was >apprehensive about the uppers. As it turned out they were easier than the >lowers. Missy and I picture documented this as best we could and I've put >it on the website. Maybe it will be useful to someone when pouring theirs. >Here is the link: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnails.html > >Hope you enjoy. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 1 11:22:41 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. In-Reply-To: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, VERY impressive piece of work!! I really like the fixture design for positioning the dummy shaft. I have a couple of questions. You're pre-heating to 550 deg.F and you're using the upper cap with the new bearing in place as a part of the fixturing. What temperature does your babbit melt at? I would have thought it melted around 500 deg.F (obviously not). I didn't see the classic X-groove to help distribute grease across the bearing surface. You mention a 45-deg. bevel to "build the pressure wedge for the lubricant film." I think of hydrodynamic oil pressure effects as a characteristic of much higher rotation speeds; like >1000 RPM, not ~100 RPM. Somewhere on the net a SEL FAQ is maintained. I sure hope that SOMEONE is capturing well documented work like this for the FAQ. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 1 May 2006, Curt wrote: > Folks this was a banner weekend! Accomplished a significant milestone in > the restoration of the Alamo engine by successfully pouring both the > lower and upper mains on this engine. I had done lowers before, but was > apprehensive about the uppers. As it turned out they were easier than > the lowers. Missy and I picture documented this as best we could and > I've put it on the website. Maybe it will be useful to someone when > pouring theirs. > Here is the link: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnails.html From oiseming at moscow.com Mon May 1 12:15:28 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:15:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. In-Reply-To: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200605011915.k41JFgNv008205@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:58 AM To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org); OFES Subject: Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnai ls.html Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC ~~~~~~~~~ Thank you for an outstanding how-to presentation, Curt. I learned all sorts of things from the way you did the job. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 1 13:16:23 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 16:16:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. In-Reply-To: References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44566C97.2070207@imc-group.com> Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > >VERY impressive piece of work!! I really like the fixture design for >positioning the dummy shaft. I have a couple of questions. > >You're pre-heating to 550 deg.F and you're using the upper cap with the >new bearing in place as a part of the fixturing. What temperature does >your babbit melt at? I would have thought it melted around 500 deg.F >(obviously not). > > Arnie, The uppers were poured, allowed to cool, and then removed. They were not used to do any aligning for the lowers. The fixture held the dummy shaft in suspension in the correct location for pouring both the uppers and lowers in separate pours. >I didn't see the classic X-groove to help distribute grease across the >bearing surface. > > I didn't cut the grooves yet (if I decide to use grease I will) because the flywheels will have to come out again to clean the built in fuel tank in the base. I am a proponent of oil as this constantly washes abrasive material out of bearings and I will likely install nice brass drip oilers on the engine. The 45? chamfers on the leading side (hard to see in the next to the last picture) are sufficient to distribute oil across the face of the bearing. There will simply be a straight groove across the top of the bearing in the cap that is about a 1/8 wide x a 1/8 deep to ditribute oil across the width of the bearing. This will stop about 1/2" from the ends. >You mention a 45-deg. bevel to "build the pressure wedge for the >lubricant film." I think of hydrodynamic oil pressure effects as a >characteristic of much higher rotation speeds; like >1000 RPM, >not ~100 RPM. > > Hydrodynamic lubrication is a function of velocity and viscosity. But it will occur at almost any speed with a viscous enough lubricant. Interesting enough I put the crankshaft and flywheels in dry. Before rolling I filled the pressure wedge groove with 40wt. oil. A half turn of the shaft and the shaft was whetted. As the wheels are rotated you can see the classic pressure wedge of oil rolling. But the key is constant oil and high viscosity oil. Most of our forging machines here at work are 1 stroke a second (60 rpm). This pressure wedge via the 45 ? chamfer is the sole means of lubricating the bearings. Years ago I switched the lubricant from the factory suggested 220 to 320. This has greatly reduced wear to bearings. >Somewhere on the net a SEL FAQ is maintained. I sure hope that SOMEONE is >capturing well documented work like this for the FAQ. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Mon, 1 May 2006, Curt wrote: > > > >>Folks this was a banner weekend! Accomplished a significant milestone in >>the restoration of the Alamo engine by successfully pouring both the >>lower and upper mains on this engine. I had done lowers before, but was >>apprehensive about the uppers. As it turned out they were easier than >>the lowers. Missy and I picture documented this as best we could and >>I've put it on the website. Maybe it will be useful to someone when >>pouring theirs. >>Here is the link: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnails.html >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 1 14:08:56 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:08:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul Message-ID: <412.5422ba.3187d2e8@aol.com> I have heard rumors of a Mogul in a barn south of me for a number of years. Every once in a while I would ride in the general area, looking, knocking on doors, etc., all to no avail. I had a never quite made the exact location of it, but close over they years. Three weeks ago, I received a phone call from someone who knew of me and wanted me to tell them how much an engine was worth. During the initial phone call, they did not even know what the engine was, size, etc., just how much was it worth? But, from this I had a vague idea it was the engine I had been hearing/looking for. I asked a lot of questions and we made plans to meet soon and look/evaluate for them. Second and subsequent phone calls led to it being a: 12 hp Mogul, sn HB 612, on original steel wheels, complete, in a barn,etc. We finally visited the engine with 2 brothers, one of them the one who called me. Photos can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Mogul1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Mogul2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Mogul3.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Mogul4.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Mogul5.jpg The story ends up being that this is an old family engine being purchased by their grandfather who used it to run a large planer mill. They had been trying to buy it from one side of the family for years and now the family had finally said it was for sale to them. The family had priced it a $4000 and where this price came from they did not know. What they wanted me to do was tell them about the engine, evaluate it for completeness, broken parts, ease of restoration, etc.,and if it was worth the price. They knew nothing about old engines. After looking over for 2 hours, finding it free, all original and complete except for the screen cooler replaced buy a tank, and the fuel pump which was located in the house taken there to rebuild packing many years ago. I finally asked them how serious they were about buying it and keeping in the family. One of the brothers spoke up and said they were dead serious and wanted it even if they had to pay $4000! I finally told them it was worth $4000, but maybe being family they could negotiate it down. We have left it that I will help them in any way with their project, and they in turn will give me first refusal if they become bored with it. I have not made up my mind if I will help them make this decision by telling them to completely tear it down, and hopefully loose interest as the baskets of parts accumulate very quickly! HA! Or, help them get it started with a few minor fixes. I believe this engine could be started in a day or so, that is how free and complete it. Note the rings hanging on the carb from a previous rebuild. Such is the luck of the engine searchers! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon May 1 15:51:37 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:51:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul Message-ID: <3b0.241eb8d.3187eaf9@aol.com> Hi Tom, Did you point out to the brothers that the old engine's paint has deteriorated, there is rust on many of the parts, and that the old wagon it is sitting on looks pretty sorry, too? There is also the risk that the old wagon might collapse, possibly injuring some small child who might be playing near. Perhaps you should go back and talk with the brothers, explaining you have given it more thought, then raise these concerns, and offer to remove the potential danger for a reasonable price. IF you need help removing it...just call me. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 5/1/2006 4:37:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: They knew nothing about old engines. After looking over for 2 hours, finding it free, all original and complete except for the screen cooler replaced buy a tank, and the fuel pump which was located in the house taken there to rebuild packing many years ago. I finally asked them how serious they were about buying it and keeping in the family. One of the brothers spoke up and said they were dead serious and wanted it even if they had to pay $4000! I finally told them it was worth $4000, but maybe being family they could negotiate it down. -------------------------------1146523897 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Regards,
Ron Carroll
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 From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 1 17:40:15 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 20:40:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul Message-ID: <3f5.118424f.3188046f@aol.com> In a message dated 5/1/2006 7:14:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: << Did you point out to the brothers that the old engine's paint has deteriorated >> Ron They had already figured that out by themselves. Thanks for the removal help offer. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 1 18:01:02 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 21:01:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul In-Reply-To: <412.5422ba.3187d2e8@aol.com> References: <412.5422ba.3187d2e8@aol.com> Message-ID: <4456AF4E.6040000@scrtc.com> Thats certainly a Keeper! I had much rather find one in the original location, original condition, etc. than all slicked down. I hope they take interest in it and do it justice by getting it in the dry, getting it going and possibly taking it to a show or two for others to see. If not, I hope they give you another call. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I have heard rumors of a Mogul in a barn south of me for a number of years. >Every once in a while I would ride in the general area, looking, knocking on >doors, etc., all to no avail. I had a never quite made the exact location of >it, but close over they years. > >Three weeks ago, I received a phone call from someone who knew of me and >wanted me to tell them how much an engine was worth. During the initial phone >call, they did not even know what the engine was, size, etc., just how much was >it worth? But, from this I had a vague idea it was the engine I had been >hearing/looking for. I asked a lot of questions and we made plans to meet soon and >look/evaluate for them. Second and subsequent phone calls led to it being a: > >12 hp Mogul, sn HB 612, on original steel wheels, complete, in a barn,etc. > > > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon May 1 18:33:18 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:33:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. Message-ID: <20060501.214006.1312.5.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks for sharing the process with the list, Curt. Excellent job of documenting. I'm sure the bearings will be A-1 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ May is Motorcycle Awareness Month. (_o_) "Look twice - Save a life". From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon May 1 18:50:47 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:50:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul References: <3b0.241eb8d.3187eaf9@aol.com> Message-ID: <00ee01c66d8a$d5a4f570$9bd24c0c@D48VHZ61> I'll go one better than offering removal help. You just give me a call and I'll come pick it up and store it at my place. And I'm close enough you could drive down on weekends to work on it. Heck, you can even use my wrenches! John From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Mon May 1 14:36:37 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:36:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <017c01c66d67$540a2d50$bd161941@pengy> How is the piston machining going? Is the big piston going to have enough stock to finish up? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" ; "OFES" Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. > Folks this was a banner weekend! Accomplished a significant milestone in > the restoration of the Alamo engine by successfully pouring both the lower > and upper mains on this engine. I had done lowers before, but was > apprehensive about the uppers. As it turned out they were easier than the > lowers. Missy and I picture documented this as best we could and I've put > it on the website. Maybe it will be useful to someone when pouring theirs. > Here is the link: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 1 14:12:13 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul In-Reply-To: <412.5422ba.3187d2e8@aol.com> References: <412.5422ba.3187d2e8@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, Well, YEE HAW!! Good luck with the family. That engine sure would look good in your shed. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 1 May 2006 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > 12 hp Mogul, sn HB 612, on original steel wheels, complete, in a barn,etc. > > We finally visited the engine with 2 brothers, one of them the one who called > me. Photos can be seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Mogul1.jpg > > We have left it that I will help them in any way with their project, and they > in turn will give me first refusal if they become bored with it. I have not > made up my mind if I will help them make this decision by telling them to > completely tear it down, and hopefully loose interest as the baskets of parts > accumulate very quickly! HA! Or, help them get it started with a few minor > fixes. I believe this engine could be started in a day or so, that is how free and > complete it. Note the rings hanging on the carb from a previous rebuild. > > Such is the luck of the engine searchers! From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue May 2 02:19:27 2006 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:19:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC Message-ID: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> Hi, i have a "engine" related question for you guys, i have just picked up a shed (barn) fresh engine, (as you yanks call them), it is a 1909 built 8 hp famous on original transport 99.9% complete, i am still deciding what to do with the restoration as although it was in a shed it is very rusty it has no paint left and bottom of transport wheel rims & spokes are very thin, also everything is seized although i dont think it would be really stuck. The screen cooler is also rusted out, anyway my questions, 1) does anyone have a plan for the seat & step as not much is left, 2) the handbrake lever assy is missing, anyone have some good pics of one? 3) on the off side? (opposite side to ignitor) there is a bracket/ lever? assembly bolted to the front mounting bolts the lever runs close to the inside of the flywheel, what is it?. I think thats about it for now, thanks, Cheers, Chester from West Aussie. From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue May 2 02:55:24 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:55:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC In-Reply-To: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> Message-ID: Hi Chester, i have a book i can copy for you which will explain all your questions,sounds as though the bracket would be for a wizard generator,you will see all the different set ups for the famous ignition in this book.cheers Dave in Vic Oz >From: "SERVICE" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: , "The SEL email discussion >list" >Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC >Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:19:27 +0800 > >Hi, >i have a "engine" related question for you guys, i have just picked up a >shed (barn) fresh engine, (as you yanks call them), it is a 1909 built 8 hp >famous on original transport 99.9% complete, i am still deciding what to do >with the restoration as although it was in a shed it is very rusty it has >no paint left and bottom of transport wheel rims & spokes are very thin, >also everything is seized although i dont think it would be really stuck. >The screen cooler is also rusted out, anyway my questions, 1) does anyone >have a plan for the seat & step as not much is left, 2) the handbrake lever >assy is missing, anyone have some good pics of one? 3) on the off side? >(opposite side to ignitor) there is a bracket/ lever? assembly bolted to >the front mounting bolts the lever runs close to the inside of the >flywheel, what is it?. I think thats about it for now, thanks, >Cheers, >Chester from West Aussie. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Research and compare new cars side by side at carpoint.com.au http://secure-au.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/a/ci_450304/et_2/cg_801459/pi_1004813/ai_833884 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 2 03:35:24 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:35:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC References: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <002801c66dd4$31a948f0$0b8431cb@ogborneuah38i3> You've done it again Chester ......that would be the same engine as the one down here at Camp Quaranup[ Old Quarantine Station]. Will we see you at the Ploughing Day on Saturday? BTW there are some engines for sale down here ....I think there is a Petter Two Stroke amongst them.----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > Hi, > i have a "engine" related question for you guys, i have just picked up a > shed (barn) fresh engine, (as you yanks call them), it is a 1909 built 8 > hp famous on original transport 99.9% complete, i am still deciding what > to do with the restoration as although it was in a shed it is very rusty > it has no paint left and bottom of transport wheel rims & spokes are very > thin, also everything is seized although i dont think it would be really > stuck. The screen cooler is also rusted out, anyway my questions, 1) does > anyone have a plan for the seat & step as not much is left, 2) the > handbrake lever assy is missing, anyone have some good pics of one? 3) on > the off side? (opposite side to ignitor) there is a bracket/ lever? > assembly bolted to the front mounting bolts the lever runs close to the > inside of the flywheel, what is it?. I think thats about it for now, > thanks, > Cheers, > Chester from West Aussie. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 2 09:21:49 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 12:21:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo/Tod Works Foundry. In-Reply-To: <017c01c66d67$540a2d50$bd161941@pengy> References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> <017c01c66d67$540a2d50$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <4457871D.10504@imc-group.com> Rick Rowlands wrote: > How is the piston machining going? Is the big piston going to have > enough stock to finish up? > Rick, You had to know I couldn't wait to get home and start making chips with this brand new casting!. Saturday morning I headed over to Tommy's and set the casting up in his big old Russian lathe's 4 jaw chuck and indicated in under the ring area. Then machined the OD, flipped around, did the crown, cut the ring grooves, and cut the steps. Here is the finished part except for the wrist pin lube hole, and wrist pin set screw holes (did these last night). References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> <017c01c66d67$540a2d50$bd161941@pengy> <4457871D.10504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <58694.161.114.64.71.1146589657.squirrel@webmail.velocitus.net> Hi Curt The semi finished piston looks great! I can?t wait to be at the same point. I have just been so busy I still haven?t been able to get my patterns finished and sent off to Rick. I need to put a finial coat of sealer on them, add the casting numbers and get them boxed up. Hopefully this weekend will get me a little closer to having them on the way. I enjoyed all the Babbitt pouring pictures, and the your new bearings look really nice, I bet the Alamo will be a sweet runner when finished. Dave >> > Rick, > You had to know I couldn't wait to get home and start making chips with > this brand new casting!. Saturday morning I headed over to Tommy's and > set the casting up in his big old Russian lathe's 4 jaw chuck and > indicated in under the ring area. Then machined the OD, flipped around, > did the crown, cut the ring grooves, and cut the steps. Here is the > finished part except for the wrist pin lube hole, and wrist pin set > screw holes (did these last night). > < From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 2 10:22:32 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 13:22:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hot Bulb info posted Message-ID: <44579558.2030505@imc-group.com> A couple of weeks ago I promised to post some technical information on hot bulbs for engines. Here is the link: I split the many pages up info 3 seperate .pdf files. Even as such the files are large so be patient as each .pdf loads. Hope this is useful. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 2 11:49:41 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:49:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. Message-ID: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a show Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith there. He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung around poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let him do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest in this part of the old iron hobby. For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall Devin picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a teenager) we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all the built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary hose to (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy and I sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed the entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they are here: The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the lookout for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area in the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs to be further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the side of the house! Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in this even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something productive that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the other temptations available to them at this age. Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy them. Curt & Missy Holland Gastonia, NC From falcon at telenet.net Tue May 2 13:05:42 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:05:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and buy the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of them and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. I do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for other folks. I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. > We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a show > Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith there. > He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung around > poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let him > do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest in > this part of the old iron hobby. > For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall Devin > picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a teenager) > we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all the > built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone > blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary hose to > (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy and I > sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed the > entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they are here: > > The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the lookout > for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area in > the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs to be > further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the side > of the house! > Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in this > even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something productive > that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the other > temptations available to them at this age. > Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy them. > Curt & Missy Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 2 11:33:38 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. In-Reply-To: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, You need to bring Devin north to the summer Fort Allen show at our West Overton show grounds on July 15&16. We've got an excellent blacksmithing building and a resident smith who excells at teaching. Too bad you didn't send this out a bit sooner. This past weekend we had a Hammer-In & Plow Days event that brought in a handful of ABANA smiths. http://www.abana.org/ There's a lot to learn when that gang is working. You also need to put his anvil on a big 'ol hunk of wood at a height so that his knuckles just graze the top of the anvil. PS - Make it adjustable... 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 2 May 2006, Curt wrote: > We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a show > Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith there. > He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung around > poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let him > do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest in > this part of the old iron hobby. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 2 14:22:26 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:22:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. Message-ID: <20060502.142227.179.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> PRICELESS Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Tue, 02 May 2006 14:49:41 -0400 Curt writes: > We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a show > > Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith > there. > He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung around > > poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let > him > do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest > in > this part of the old iron hobby. > For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall > Devin > picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a > teenager) > we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all > the > built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone > blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary hose > to > (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy > and I > sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed > the > entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they > are here: > > The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the > lookout > for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area > in > the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs > to be > further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the > side > of the house! > Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in this > > even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something productive > > that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the > other > temptations available to them at this age. > Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy > them. > Curt & Missy Holland > Gastonia, NC From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 2 14:23:51 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:23:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul Message-ID: <2e6.5efca64.318927e7@aol.com> In a message dated 5/1/2006 10:07:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: << You just give me a call and I'll come pick it up and store it at my place >> Thanks John, but with 375 acres, several out buildings and a couple of tobacco barns, I think I can find some place to store it. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 2 14:36:49 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:36:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] illusive Mogul Message-ID: <3c8.1fa0e29.31892af1@aol.com> In a message dated 5/2/2006 4:07:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: << That engine sure would look good in your shed. >> I would go one better and say it would look GREAT in my shed! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue May 2 15:19:44 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:19:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo/Tod Works Foundry. References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> <017c01c66d67$540a2d50$bd161941@pengy> <4457871D.10504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <025901c66e36$8446a730$bd161941@pengy> Wow!!! That looks great. I'm impressed. I always worry that the metal will come out ok. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron and nonferrous castings 249 North Water Avenue Sharon, PA 16146 330-728-2799 Fax 330-759-1524 www.todengine.org/engineworks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo/Tod Works Foundry. > Rick Rowlands wrote: > >> How is the piston machining going? Is the big piston going to have >> enough stock to finish up? >> > Rick, > You had to know I couldn't wait to get home and start making chips with > this brand new casting!. Saturday morning I headed over to Tommy's and set > the casting up in his big old Russian lathe's 4 jaw chuck and indicated in > under the ring area. Then machined the OD, flipped around, did the crown, > cut the ring grooves, and cut the steps. Here is the finished part except > for the wrist pin lube hole, and wrist pin set screw holes (did these last > night). > and > As you can see it cleaned up well and your casting integrity is great with > no inclusion within. Pretty important with critical parts like pistons and > cylinders! > So folks, gather up your needed parts and lets cover Rick up with orders! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue May 2 16:31:28 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Milton IN auction results In-Reply-To: <025901c66e36$8446a730$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <20060502233128.22946.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was able to attend the auction in Milton IN on Friday and Saturday. Below is a link to the photos and prices that were realized. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006LeoDaniel1.htm There are 3 pages with ~280 photos total. I will have more prices once I get another list sent to me in a week or so. May take a while on dialup to download. Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue May 2 17:08:29 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:08:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Milton IN auction results References: <20060502233128.22946.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c66e45$b5ac3b00$240110ac@PAUL2> Great pictures Steve, thanks so much for going through all of the work to post them so that we could enjoy them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Milton IN auction results > > I was able to attend the auction in Milton IN on Friday and Saturday. > Below is a link to the photos and prices that were realized. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006LeoDaniel1.htm > > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue May 2 17:29:45 2006 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:29:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC References: Message-ID: <00c101c66e48$af7c56e0$210110ac@service> Hi Dave, a copy of the book would be excellent, i dont think the bracket is ignition related as it has a webster magneto, ignitor assy, cheers for now, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:55 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > Hi Chester, i have a book i can copy for you which will explain all your > questions,sounds as though the bracket would be for a wizard generator,you > will see all the different set ups for the famous ignition in this > book.cheers Dave in Vic Oz > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 2 17:33:27 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:33:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Milton IN auction results In-Reply-To: <20060502233128.22946.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060502233128.22946.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4457FA57.1020208@scrtc.com> Thanks Steve, great job as always. I didn't stay long after they got finished with the row that the Nonpareil was in. Prices are cheaper in KY! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I was able to attend the auction in Milton IN on Friday and Saturday. >Below is a link to the photos and prices that were realized. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006LeoDaniel1.htm > >There are 3 pages with ~280 photos total. I will have more prices once I >get another list sent to me in a week or so. May take a while on dialup >to download. > > >Steve > > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue May 2 18:59:56 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:59:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC In-Reply-To: <00c101c66e48$af7c56e0$210110ac@service> Message-ID: Hi chester, i will copy the book for you next week and if you send me your postal address off list i will send it to you,if your engine in 1909 as you say,it would have been a straight igniter or a flat bar webster as the more common webster wasn't used on inters until 1913 prior to that it was the flat bar from 1908 -13 or the wizard on 4,6,8 & 10hp in 1909, so the bracket could still be a generator one.regards Dave >From: "SERVICE" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC >Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:29:45 +0800 > >Hi Dave, >a copy of the book would be excellent, i dont think the bracket is ignition >related as it has a webster magneto, ignitor assy, >cheers for now, Chester. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" > >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:55 PM >Subject: RE: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > > >>Hi Chester, i have a book i can copy for you which will explain all your >>questions,sounds as though the bracket would be for a wizard generator,you >>will see all the different set ups for the famous ignition in this >>book.cheers Dave in Vic Oz >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Be the one of the first to try the NEW Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programPage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 2 19:50:58 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:50:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? Thoughts? (Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) Bill From plb at iinet.net.au Tue May 2 20:11:12 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:11:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <4sssth$lfaapi@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au> I did some research on this a few years back for my 1936 LA.Come up with Battleship Grey with Inter Red flywheel. Ray Freeman Perth W.Australia -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dickerson Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2006 10:51 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? Thoughts? (Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) Bill _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue May 2 20:17:49 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:17:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: Hi Bill, Alan C Kings book lists the paint color for inter LA as - engines built from 1934 to nov 1936 as being the main body gray with red flywheel after nov 1936 the entire engine was painted red,cheers Dave in oz >From: "Bill Dickerson" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA >Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:50:58 -0500 > > >I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? > >Thoughts? > >(Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) > >Bill > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Be the one of the first to try the NEW Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programPage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 2 20:28:13 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:28:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Milton IN auction results Message-ID: <20060502.233535.1036.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Steve, Amazing amount of work you put into those auction pics. Thanks. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ May is Motorcycle Awareness Month. (_o_) "Look twice - Save a life". From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue May 2 15:40:06 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:40:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works/Foundation Announcement References: <44563E0A.6010607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <02d101c66e39$5c329d50$bd161941@pengy> After only two months of full time operation of the foundry we are moving! I've made an agreement with the owners of the property behind the Tod Engine museum site to buy the property and buildings and move the foundry to that location. The property in question is 3 acres. One of the buildings is a truck terminal and the other is a three bay garage. Both are concrete block construction. The property is contiguous with the Tod Engine museum. I plan to move the foundry into the truck terminal and use the garage as a restoration shop for the museum. The end of the terminal building is set up with offices and I'll be able to finally move our office from my residence as well as assemble the technical library in one site. There is plenty of flat land so that we can expand our yearly open house into an annual engine show. (like we need more shows!) I am looking to buy a 300 pound furnace to replace the 100 pounder that I currently use. As Curt can attest my big bottleneck is melting capacity. I can triple my daily output with a larger furnace. We're buying the site via land contract and in ten years the property will be ours free and clear. It certainly is a step in the right direction for us, allows us to bring everything to one location as well as providing more land for expansion. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 www.todengine.org William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" ; "OFES" Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Babbitt bearings poured on the Alamo. > Folks this was a banner weekend! Accomplished a significant milestone in > the restoration of the Alamo engine by successfully pouring both the lower > and upper mains on this engine. I had done lowers before, but was > apprehensive about the uppers. As it turned out they were easier than the > lowers. Missy and I picture documented this as best we could and I've put > it on the website. Maybe it will be useful to someone when pouring theirs. > Here is the link: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoBabbittPouring/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 2 20:56:00 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 23:56:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> References: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060502235509.040945c8@mail.alltel.net> At 10:50 PM 5/2/2006, you wrote: >I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? >Thoughts? >(Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) >Bill PUCE is always a good colo(u)r for a piglet! Dave From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue May 2 15:23:37 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:23:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get the larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and buy > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of them > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. I > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for > other folks. > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > he'd have become a vegan. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > along. > > >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a show >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith > there. >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung around >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let > him >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest in >> this part of the old iron hobby. >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall Devin >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a > teenager) >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all the >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary hose > to >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy and > I >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed the >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they are > here: >> > ils.html> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the > lookout >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area in >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs to > be >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the > side >> of the house! >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in this >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something productive >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the other >> temptations available to them at this age. >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy > them. >> Curt & Missy Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Wed May 3 00:01:00 2006 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:01:00 +1000 Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC References: <00c101c66e48$af7c56e0$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <004a01c66e7f$592f4590$5ead57ca@n> G'day Chester The bracket on the pulley side of your engine was there to fit a motsinger auto sparker too. It would have run off the face of your flywheel and you would have a plain ignitor in the barrel insted of the webster system. Looks like the farmer got sick of the old system and put on the far better webster setup on it as the motsinger system required the engine to be started on battery and coil then you changed it over to the autosparker. cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > Hi Dave, > a copy of the book would be excellent, i dont think the bracket is > ignition > related as it has a webster magneto, ignitor assy, > cheers for now, Chester. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Nicolson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:55 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > > >> Hi Chester, i have a book i can copy for you which will explain all your >> questions,sounds as though the bracket would be for a wizard >> generator,you >> will see all the different set ups for the famous ignition in this >> book.cheers Dave in Vic Oz >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 3 04:40:17 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 04:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060502235509.040945c8@mail.alltel.net> References: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <6.1.2.0.0.20060502235509.040945c8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4332.165.206.180.19.1146656417.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> That's pronounced "puke", right? :-) Bill > At 10:50 PM 5/2/2006, you wrote: >>I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? >>Thoughts? >>(Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) >>Bill > > PUCE is always a good colo(u)r for a piglet! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 3 04:45:23 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 04:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: References: <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <4362.165.206.180.19.1146656723.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Thanks to all for the replies, yes, even Dave for his words of wisdom - I always thought the gray used was a bit more "blue" than "battleship", but then I'm not QUITE old engough to remember when it was new/fresh paint, either. and my IH stuff is later - the F20, the plow, the mower, etc. Bill > Hi Bill, Alan C Kings book lists the paint color for inter LA as - engines > built from 1934 to nov 1936 as being the main body gray with red flywheel > after nov 1936 the entire engine was painted red,cheers Dave in oz > > >>From: "Bill Dickerson" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >>Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA >>Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:50:58 -0500 >> >> >>I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? >> >>Thoughts? >> >>(Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) >> >>Bill >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be the one of the first to try the NEW Windows Live Mail. > http://ideas.live.com/programPage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 3 06:06:11 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:06:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous Message-ID: <20060503130603.ELXO847.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Edd has been doing some work on his lovely 10hp throttle-governed Famous. I will leave it to Edd to fill in the details. This is how I last saw it a year or so ago: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/03083015.JPG This is it now: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100001.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100002.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100003.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100004.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed May 3 06:33:21 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:33:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous References: <20060503130603.ELXO847.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003701c66eb6$26714ae0$b685dccb@oemcomputer> Thanks for putting up the pics Patrick.I have had this engine for about 12 years.I found it at the bottom of a gully where it had been pushed by a dozer.I spent a full day on my own and dismantled the engine and winched it out bit by bit with the winch on my trailer.I reassembled it and got it going the following week.Since then I have obtained a cart that was found for me by Brock.I had screen coolers made for this engine and my 8hp Famous about 2 years ago but had not got around to fitting them.On the 10hp everything regarding the cooling system was missing and I have had to fit a water pump all the pipe work and the screen cooler.The next job is to fit a fuel tank that I will make soon and connect it all up.After this is all done it will be put to work on our wood saw to cut winter fire wood.My 6hp Mogul is doing this job at the moment.This work will run in the piston rings that I have fitted and be good fun as well. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:06 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous > Edd has been doing some work on his lovely 10hp throttle-governed Famous. I > will leave it to Edd to fill in the details. > This is how I last saw it a year or so ago: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/03083015.JPG > > This is it now: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100001.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100002.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100003.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100004.JPG > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Wed May 3 06:55:26 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:55:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly so some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and how large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good steel anvil made in the US. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. > I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get the > larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve W." > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > along. > > > > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and buy > > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of them > > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. I > > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for > > other folks. > > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > > > > Steve Williams > > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > > he'd have become a vegan. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Curt" > > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > > along. > > > > > >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a show > >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith > > there. > >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung around > >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let > > him > >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest in > >> this part of the old iron hobby. > >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall Devin > >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a > > teenager) > >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all the > >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone > >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary hose > > to > >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy and > > I > >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed the > >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they are > > here: > >> > > > ils.html> > >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the > > lookout > >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area in > >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs to > > be > >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the > > side > >> of the house! > >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in this > >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something productive > >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the other > >> temptations available to them at this age. > >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy > > them. > >> Curt & Missy Holland > >> Gastonia, NC > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed May 3 07:18:09 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:18:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <015e01c66ebc$6f0a4990$9b44e5d8@gary> This would be good information to have. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly so > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and how > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good steel > anvil made in the US. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > along. > > >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get the >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve W." >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > generation >> along. >> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and > buy >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of > them >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. > I >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for >> > other folks. >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. >> > >> > Steve Williams >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> > >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, >> > he'd have become a vegan. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Curt" >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" >> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation >> > along. >> > >> > >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a > show >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith >> > there. >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > around >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let >> > him >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest > in >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall > Devin >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a >> > teenager) >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all > the >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary > hose >> > to >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy > and >> > I >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed > the >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they > are >> > here: >> >> >> > > > > ils.html> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the >> > lookout >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area > in >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs > to >> > be >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the >> > side >> >> of the house! >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in > this >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > productive >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the > other >> >> temptations available to them at this age. >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy >> > them. >> >> Curt & Missy Holland >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Wed May 3 07:52:59 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:52:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel anvils, however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many hobbyist blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even if it is a beautiful piece? http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and heat treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat treater will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could probably sell a comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil would have the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our 1880s Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I can't pour these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a 300 pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron and nonferrous castings 249 North Water Avenue Sharon, PA 16146 330-728-2799 Fax 330-759-1524 www.todengine.org/engineworks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly so > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and how > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good steel > anvil made in the US. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > along. > > >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get the >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve W." >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > generation >> along. >> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and > buy >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of > them >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. > I >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for >> > other folks. >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. >> > >> > Steve Williams >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> > >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, >> > he'd have become a vegan. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Curt" >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" >> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation >> > along. >> > >> > >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a > show >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith >> > there. >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > around >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let >> > him >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest > in >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall > Devin >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a >> > teenager) >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all > the >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary > hose >> > to >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy > and >> > I >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed > the >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they > are >> > here: >> >> >> > > > > ils.html> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the >> > lookout >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area > in >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs > to >> > be >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the >> > side >> >> of the house! >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in > this >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > productive >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the > other >> >> temptations available to them at this age. >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy >> > them. >> >> Curt & Missy Holland >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 3 08:08:18 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: Hi Rick, A couple of comments.... Personally, I think those Nimba anvils are butt-flucking UGLY. They might be ideal and practical for a working smith, but they would do nothing for someone to whom esthetics mattered. Over the years I lost many an anvil at auctions to some Yuppie couple who wanted to paint it puce and put it next to the fireplace. The purchase dynamics are very different if you're buying an accent piece for home decoration or if you're buying a working tool. Don't forget the Yuppie market when you do your sales projections. Finally, I think if you could sell a nice traditional style 260 pound anvil with a good ring for $500 you'd sell a bunch!! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 3 May 2006, Rick Rowlands wrote: > I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel anvils, > however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many hobbyist > blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even if it is a > beautiful piece? > > http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ > > According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and heat > treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat treater > will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could probably sell a > comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil would have > the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our 1880s > Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. > > I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I can't pour > these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a 300 > pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Wed May 3 10:24:11 2006 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 12:24:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: I'd hate to use a hammer on one after paying that much... Hey Rick, if you decide to make some I could use a good size anvil on my cable rig! Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Wed, 3 May 2006, Rick Rowlands wrote: > I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel anvils, > however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many hobbyist > blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even if it is a > beautiful piece? > > http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ > > According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and heat > treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat treater > will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could probably sell a > comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil would have > the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our 1880s > Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. > > I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I can't pour > these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a 300 > pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > and nonferrous castings > 249 North Water Avenue > Sharon, PA 16146 > 330-728-2799 > Fax 330-759-1524 > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve W." > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > along. > > > > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly so > > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and how > > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good steel > > anvil made in the US. > > > > Steve Williams > > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Rowlands" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > > along. > > > > > >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get the > >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Steve W." > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > > generation > >> along. > >> > >> > >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and > > buy > >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of > > them > >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. > > I > >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for > >> > other folks. > >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > >> > > >> > Steve Williams > >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> > > >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > >> > he'd have become a vegan. > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Curt" > >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > >> > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > >> > along. > >> > > >> > > >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a > > show > >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith > >> > there. > >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > > around > >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let > >> > him > >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest > > in > >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. > >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall > > Devin > >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a > >> > teenager) > >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all > > the > >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone > >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary > > hose > >> > to > >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy > > and > >> > I > >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed > > the > >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they > > are > >> > here: > >> >> > >> > > > >> > ils.html> > >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the > >> > lookout > >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area > > in > >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs > > to > >> > be > >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the > >> > side > >> >> of the house! > >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in > > this > >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > > productive > >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the > > other > >> >> temptations available to them at this age. > >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy > >> > them. > >> >> Curt & Missy Holland > >> >> Gastonia, NC > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 3 10:19:49 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:19:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation along. In-Reply-To: <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <4458E635.5050308@imc-group.com> Steve, That would be .30 percent carbon. The second two numbers tell you this. 1045 is .45 % carbon, 1018 is .18 % carbon, etc. Alloy 8620 is a common bolt grade steel. Has excellent Izod imact strength/resistance. The 8630 would allow just a little more hardening with the core still maintaining softness, but would be a good anvil material due to the impact strength. The nickle, chrome, moly additions in this alloy are the contributers to the fracture toughness. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Steve W. wrote: >Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon >content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly so >some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and how >large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good steel >anvil made in the US. > > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 3 10:26:21 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:26:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <4458E7BD.3030309@imc-group.com> Rick Rowlands wrote: > > I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. Gotta finish Leroy's pattern first!!! Curt From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 3 10:47:14 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:47:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Paint for '35 LA In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060502235509.040945c8@mail.alltel.net> References: <014a01c66dc9$848af0b0$210110ac@service> <20060503025223.9285A313C34@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <6.1.2.0.0.20060502235509.040945c8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4458ECA2.8070808@imc-group.com> Could always paint it like this one we saw in Oz last year. Curt Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 10:50 PM 5/2/2006, you wrote: > >> I've been asked what is the proper paint/color for a 1935 LA engine? >> Thoughts? >> (Hmm, I have one to repaint, too) >> Bill > > > PUCE is always a good colo(u)r for a piglet! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 3 11:59:35 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils / Humor (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: While folks are thinking about anvils, it might be time to think about other fun with anvils... Like Anvil Shooting. Enjoy. See ya, Arnie http://www.anvilfire.com/iForge/tutor/July4th/top_index.htm http://www.horseshoes.com/humor/anvilshooting/anvilshooting.htm http://www.museumofappalachia.com/July_4th.htm http://www.anvilmag.com/comment/111d2.htm http://www.2camels.com/festival107.php3 From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 3 13:51:54 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:51:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: My dad had six anvils, including the one he used when he was growing up, on wood blocks in the yard and driveway. When he died, a truck pulled up in the driveway and they were all hauled off. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed May 3 14:14:25 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:14:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils Message-ID: <3f6.1502daa.318a7731@aol.com> John, That is truly a sad story. I am sorry you don't have at least one of them. Ron In a message dated 5/3/2006 4:07:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: My dad had six anvils, including the one he used when he was growing up, on wood blocks in the yard and driveway. When he died, a truck pulled up in the driveway and they were all hauled off. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA -------------------------------1146690865 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 3 14:25:27 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:25:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils Message-ID: <2d8.6cb27c8.318a79c7@aol.com> In a message dated 5/3/2006 5:07:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << When he died, a truck pulled up in the driveway and they were all hauled off. >> John, Stolen? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 3 14:44:17 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:44:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <2d8.6cb27c8.318a79c7@aol.com> References: <2d8.6cb27c8.318a79c7@aol.com> Message-ID: > Stolen? Yep. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 3 14:47:54 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:47:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <3f6.1502daa.318a7731@aol.com> References: <3f6.1502daa.318a7731@aol.com> Message-ID: I've got a little bitty jeweler's anvil of his. Think I gave it to Jennifer, come to think of it. She's a metalsmith and jewelry maker. I'm not sure if I posted that she tied for first in NICHE Magazine's Student Awards in the Fine Jewelry category in February. Had to take her to Philadelphia for that. We only knew she was a finalist, of which there were a boatload. NICHE is a trade magazine for art galleries, etc. John On May 3, 2006, at 5:14 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > John, > That is truly a sad story. I am sorry you don't have at least one of > them. > Ron John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From falcon at telenet.net Wed May 3 16:03:00 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:03:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel anvils, > however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many hobbyist > blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even if it is a > beautiful piece? > > http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ > > According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and heat > treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat treater > will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could probably sell a > comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil would have > the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our 1880s > Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. > > I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I can't pour > these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a 300 > pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > and nonferrous castings > 249 North Water Avenue > Sharon, PA 16146 > 330-728-2799 > Fax 330-759-1524 > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve W." > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > along. > > > > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly so > > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and how > > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good steel > > anvil made in the US. > > > > Steve Williams > > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Rowlands" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > > along. > > > > > >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get the > >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Steve W." > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > > generation > >> along. > >> > >> > >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight and > > buy > >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two of > > them > >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the face. > > I > >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items for > >> > other folks. > >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > >> > > >> > Steve Williams > >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> > > >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > >> > he'd have become a vegan. > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Curt" > >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > >> > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next generation > >> > along. > >> > > >> > > >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a > > show > >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the blacksmith > >> > there. > >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > > around > >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has let > >> > him > >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong interest > > in > >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. > >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall > > Devin > >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a > >> > teenager) > >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing all > > the > >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand alone > >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary > > hose > >> > to > >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. Missy > > and > >> > I > >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and enjoyed > > the > >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and they > > are > >> > here: > >> >> > >> > > > >> > ils.html> > >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the > >> > lookout > >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little area > > in > >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely needs > > to > >> > be > >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up the > >> > side > >> >> of the house! > >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in > > this > >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > > productive > >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the > > other > >> >> temptations available to them at this age. > >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you enjoy > >> > them. > >> >> Curt & Missy Holland > >> >> Gastonia, NC > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 3 16:21:21 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:21:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <043001c66f08$4b802a70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > I've got a little bitty jeweler's anvil of his. Think I gave it to > Jennifer, come to think of it. She's a metalsmith and jewelry maker. > I'm not sure if I posted that she tied for first in NICHE Magazine's > Student Awards in the Fine Jewelry category in February. Had to take > her to Philadelphia for that. We only knew she was a > finalist, of which there were a boatload. NICHE is a trade > magazine for art galleries, etc. As a former worker in that business, I'd like to see some pictures of her work. Rob From segray at mlode.com Wed May 3 16:39:08 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:39:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils / Humor (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <44593F1C.3060607@mlode.com> I have an old engine and Dodge Bros. collector for a friend up the road who holds an annual anvil/cannon shoot get-together every Labor Day weekend. He does this as a "Test Firing" for the 'real' anvil shoot that's he holds the following week in the mining town of Columbia, about 3 miles from me. I shot a video of one of his shoots about 3 years ago and it's available at http://www.oldengineshed.com/videos/anvil.mpg (the guy lighting the fuse is actually a friend of his). The file's about 1.4 meg in size. The noises in the background are the engines on my large engine trailer that was displayed at this particular meet (2004?). OBTW, The cannon shoot is also available at http://www.oldengineshed.com/videos/cannon.mpg (about 602k in size), for those interested in big booms! -Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Arnie Fero wrote: >While folks are thinking about anvils, it might be time to think about >other fun with anvils... Like Anvil Shooting. Enjoy. > >See ya, Arnie > >http://www.anvilfire.com/iForge/tutor/July4th/top_index.htm >http://www.horseshoes.com/humor/anvilshooting/anvilshooting.htm >http://www.museumofappalachia.com/July_4th.htm >http://www.anvilmag.com/comment/111d2.htm >http://www.2camels.com/festival107.php3 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 3 17:39:32 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:39:32 EDT Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils / photo Message-ID: <3ba.2457ff4.318aa744@aol.com> Here is a photo of my anvils that I pick up occasionally at auctions or elsewhere. The largest on the far right is a 250# and the tall one on the left is a cone anvil for shaping rings. One in the basement is a Peter Wright, 1893 by serial number on it, and been on Millie's farm ever since anyone can remember. http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/MVC-006s%20(2).jpg I collect these for old age when I can no longer start engines and will mount them on a trailer, taking them to shows, and let the kids hammer on them all day. No grease, no oil, no gas, no starting problems, etc. Just sit in the easy chair all day and enjoy the show! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Vivas1993 at aol.com Wed May 3 17:41:27 2006 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:41:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous Message-ID: <360.3755924.318aa7b7@aol.com> Patrick, Thanks for the pictures of Edd's 10hp IHC. Edd, that's a fine looking engine ! Now for some opinions. I have an 8hp IHC portable in about the same condition as Edd's engine. The only major part that is missing is the screen cooler & the intake valve gas saver lock, it's a hit & miss. Several years ago when I got the engine, plans were to do a complete restoration. Now I kinda like the looks of an as found engine. Although the piston is still stuck, the engine seems to be in pretty good shape, gears look great and the bearings show very little wear. So if was your engine, what would you do ? Complete restoration, or just clean it up and bring it back to running condition ? Thanks, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. -------------------------------1146703287 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Patrick,
 Thanks for the pictures of Edd's 10hp IHC. Edd, that's a fine loo= king=20 engine !
 
 Now for some opinions. I have an 8hp IHC portable in about the sa= me=20 condition as Edd's engine. The only major part that is missing is the screen= =20 cooler & the intake valve gas saver lock, it's a hit &=20 miss. Several years ago when I got the engine, plans were to do a compl= ete=20 restoration. Now I kinda like the looks of an as found engine. Although the=20 piston is still stuck, the engine seems to be in pretty good shape, gears lo= ok=20 great and the bearings show very little wear.
 So if was your engine, what would you do ?  Complete=20 restoration, or just clean it up and bring it back to running condition ?
 Thanks,
 Dwight Vivas
 Matoaca, VA.
 From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 3 18:30:48 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:30:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: <043001c66f08$4b802a70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <043001c66f08$4b802a70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: This is what she won the award for. Called "Birth Control Ring." An early piece of hers. The ring has a uterus, tubes and ovaries on it. The uterus is a locket, opening to reveal a birth control pill on an umbilical cord inside. http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Birth_Control_Ring.jpg John On May 3, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > As a former worker in that business, I'd like to see some > pictures of her work. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 3 19:03:46 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:03:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: References: <043001c66f08$4b802a70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <44596102.5040505@scrtc.com> My goodness, I've seen it all on the SEL now! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > This is what she won the award for. Called "Birth Control Ring." An > early piece of hers. The ring has a uterus, tubes and ovaries on it. > The uterus is a locket, opening to reveal a birth control pill on an > umbilical cord inside. > > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Birth_Control_Ring.jpg > > John > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 3 19:43:33 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:43:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous In-Reply-To: <003701c66eb6$26714ae0$b685dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <044901c66f24$8a5aa560$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >I have had this engine for about 12 years.I found it at >the bottom of a gully where it had been pushed by a >dozer.I spent a full day on my own and dismantled the >engine and winched it out bit by bit with the winch on >my trailer. That's really cool, Edd, finding discarded junk and turning it into a NICE engine. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 3 19:46:12 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:46:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous In-Reply-To: <003701c66eb6$26714ae0$b685dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <044a01c66f24$e97d0bf0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Hi Dwight, I'm fond of "minimalist" restorations. She's only original once. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 3 19:53:13 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:53:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <044b01c66f25$e403b880$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > This is what she won the award for. Called "Birth Control Ring." An > early piece of hers. The ring has a uterus, tubes and ovaries on it. > The uterus is a locket, opening to reveal a birth control pill on an > umbilical cord inside. Ah, I should have known... a clever melding of art, science and philosophy. Sadly, I'm too dense to fully appreciate the symbolism. But being pragmatic, I could see how it would be much more useful if it contained a hit of RU-486. Then the gal would be like Underdog. From oiseming at moscow.com Wed May 3 19:58:27 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:58:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils / photo In-Reply-To: <3ba.2457ff4.318aa744@aol.com> Message-ID: <200605040258.k442wZKV086395@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:40 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils / photo Here is a photo of my anvils that I pick up occasionally at auctions or elsewhere. The largest on the far right is a 250# and the tall one on the left is a cone anvil for shaping rings. One in the basement is a Peter Wright, 1893 by serial number on it, and been on Millie's farm ever since anyone can remember. http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/MVC-006s%20(2).jpg I collect these for old age when I can no longer start engines and will mount them on a trailer, taking them to shows, and let the kids hammer on them all day. No grease, no oil, no gas, no starting problems, etc. Just sit in the easy chair all day and enjoy the show! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~ Wow! That's quite a line-up. I looked most of my life for an affordable anvil and was drawing Social Security before I found one. Now I know why it took so long: Tom had 'em all. :-) Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed May 3 20:10:46 2006 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:10:46 +0800 Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC References: <00c101c66e48$af7c56e0$210110ac@service> <004a01c66e7f$592f4590$5ead57ca@n> Message-ID: <014f01c66f28$589061b0$210110ac@service> Hi Mick, now i think about it you are probally right, running from front of the cooling tank to the ignitor side of engine are three cloth woven wires very neatly done, i couldnt work out what they were for, but probally they are the original battery,coil wires? interesting. Cheers for now Chester from West Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Christie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [S] Re: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > G'day Chester > The bracket on the pulley side of your engine was there to fit a motsinger > auto sparker too. It would have run off the face of your flywheel and you > would have a plain ignitor in the barrel insted of the webster system. > Looks like the farmer got sick of the old system and put on the far better > webster setup on it as the motsinger system required the engine to be > started on battery and coil then you changed it over to the autosparker. > cheers > Mick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SERVICE" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:29 AM > Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC > > >> Hi Dave, >> a copy of the book would be excellent, i dont think the bracket is >> ignition >> related as it has a webster magneto, ignitor assy, >> cheers for now, Chester. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Nicolson" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:55 PM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] 1909 8HP IHC >> >> >>> Hi Chester, i have a book i can copy for you which will explain all your >>> questions,sounds as though the bracket would be for a wizard >>> generator,you >>> will see all the different set ups for the famous ignition in this >>> book.cheers Dave in Vic Oz >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 3 22:56:19 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 01:56:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: <044b01c66f25$e403b880$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <044b01c66f25$e403b880$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <285c63b9142e3df1923fa13a6d2a4bdb@chartertn.net> I scratched my head and thought "What the hell?" when I saw it, too. Women tend to see it and grin. It got the biggest response from the audience of anything at the show in Philadelphia. She explained that it was her response to the "True Love Waits" rings that were marketed to teenage girls a few years ago. She doesn't think that abstinence-only education is very sensible. John On May 3, 2006, at 10:53 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Ah, I should have known... a clever melding of art, science > and philosophy. Sadly, I'm too dense to fully appreciate > the symbolism. But being pragmatic, I could see how it > would be much more useful if it contained a hit of RU-486. > Then the gal would be like Underdog. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 4 03:29:48 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:29:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? Message-ID: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a brown onion.Put these in your blender and......................................oh shit I forgot this is an engine and machinery list please forgive me! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu May 4 03:48:02 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:48:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? In-Reply-To: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <045c01c66f68$37d55e90$8335c53e@doc> No. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > peter ogborne > Sent: 04 May 2006 11:30 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? > > Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes > and a brown > onion.Put these in your blender > and......................................oh > shit I forgot this is an engine and machinery list please forgive me! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > :-) Pete -- Peter Scales From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu May 4 04:00:21 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:00:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need for a moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now they will become collectors items. The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone have any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know anything about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in it. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron and nonferrous castings 249 North Water Avenue Sharon, PA 16146 330-728-2799 Fax 330-759-1524 www.todengine.org/engineworks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of > them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > >> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel > anvils, >> however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many > hobbyist >> blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even if > it is a >> beautiful piece? >> >> http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ >> >> According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and heat >> treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat > treater >> will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could probably > sell a >> comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil would > have >> the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our > 1880s >> Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. >> >> I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I can't > pour >> these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a > 300 >> pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Tod Engine Works >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron >> and nonferrous castings >> 249 North Water Avenue >> Sharon, PA 16146 >> 330-728-2799 >> Fax 330-759-1524 >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve W." >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > generation >> along. >> >> >> > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon >> > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly > so >> > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and > how >> > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good > steel >> > anvil made in the US. >> > >> > Steve Williams >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > generation >> > along. >> > >> > >> >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get > the >> >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Steve W." >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >> > generation >> >> along. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight > and >> > buy >> >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two > of >> > them >> >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the > face. >> > I >> >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items > for >> >> > other folks. >> >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. >> >> > >> >> > Steve Williams >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> >> > >> >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed >> >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, >> >> > he'd have become a vegan. >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Curt" >> >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL > (Oldengine.org)" >> >> > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > generation >> >> > along. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a >> > show >> >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the > blacksmith >> >> > there. >> >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung >> > around >> >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has > let >> >> > him >> >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong > interest >> > in >> >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. >> >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall >> > Devin >> >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a >> >> > teenager) >> >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing > all >> > the >> >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand > alone >> >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary >> > hose >> >> > to >> >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. > Missy >> > and >> >> > I >> >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and > enjoyed >> > the >> >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and > they >> > are >> >> > here: >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > >> > ils.html> >> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the >> >> > lookout >> >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little > area >> > in >> >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely > needs >> > to >> >> > be >> >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up > the >> >> > side >> >> >> of the house! >> >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in >> > this >> >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something >> > productive >> >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the >> > other >> >> >> temptations available to them at this age. >> >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you > enjoy >> >> > them. >> >> >> Curt & Missy Holland >> >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu May 4 04:04:44 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:04:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000501c66f6a$8e29fa10$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? > Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a brown > onion.Put these in your blender and......................................oh > shit I forgot this is an engine and machinery list please forgive me! > Peter Ogborne Peter, I think you are getting your lists mixed up. The only recipes that are being mentioned are on the "Off Topic" list. They are there so as to not annoy the ATIS posters that are 100% engine. Have you subscribed to the OT list? Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 4 04:54:35 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 07:54:35 -0400 Subject: (way the hell OT) Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: <285c63b9142e3df1923fa13a6d2a4bdb@chartertn.net> References: <044b01c66f25$e403b880$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <285c63b9142e3df1923fa13a6d2a4bdb@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <4459EB7B.1030500@imc-group.com> John Culp wrote: > I scratched my head and thought "What the hell?" John, Glad to know your sence of judgement isn't clouded by father's love! Curt From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 4 04:59:13 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 07:59:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <4459EC91.60502@imc-group.com> Rick, I was wondering if a small pocket should be built in to the base to more easily hold the blackpowder charge for the inevitable anvil launching :-) Curt Rick Rowlands wrote: > It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need > for a moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from > now they will become collectors items. > > The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone > have any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know > anything about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to > include in it. > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu May 4 05:18:35 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 22:18:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous References: <360.3755924.318aa7b7@aol.com> Message-ID: <002701c66f74$dee6e080$e185dccb@oemcomputer> Hi Dwight.It's your engine so make it the way you like it.I have done both.Some of my engines are totally restored with nice paint jobs others are restored but left in there as is state for appearance.People like them both ways but the as are engines seem to get the most lookers and good comments at shows.In many cases they have more character EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:41 Subject: Re: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous > Patrick, > Thanks for the pictures of Edd's 10hp IHC. Edd, that's a fine looking > engine ! > > Now for some opinions. I have an 8hp IHC portable in about the same > condition as Edd's engine. The only major part that is missing is the screen cooler > & the intake valve gas saver lock, it's a hit & miss. Several years ago when > I got the engine, plans were to do a complete restoration. Now I kinda like > the looks of an as found engine. Although the piston is still stuck, the > engine seems to be in pretty good shape, gears look great and the bearings show > very little wear. > So if was your engine, what would you do ? Complete restoration, or just > clean it up and bring it back to running condition ? > Thanks, > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA. > > -------------------------------1146703287 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > Arial"=20 > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> e_document=20 > face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> >
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 Now for some opinions. I have an 8hp IHC portable in about the sa= > me=20 > condition as Edd's engine. The only major part that is missing is the screen= > =20 > cooler & the intake valve gas saver lock, it's a hit &=20 > miss. Several years ago when I got the engine, plans were to do a compl= > ete=20 > restoration. Now I kinda like the looks of an as found engine. Although the=20 > piston is still stuck, the engine seems to be in pretty good shape, gears lo= > ok=20 > great and the bearings show very little wear.
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 Dwight Vivas
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 Matoaca, VA.
 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 4 05:19:06 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 05:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? In-Reply-To: <000501c66f6a$8e29fa10$3ac10b52@no1> References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> <000501c66f6a$8e29fa10$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <2641.165.206.180.19.1146745146.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Crap. I missed the last half of that recipe! Dang! Now I'll never know what it was........ this is like a bad soap opera. Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 11:29 AM > Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? > > >> Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a >> brown >> onion.Put these in your blender >> and......................................oh >> shit I forgot this is an engine and machinery list please forgive me! >> Peter Ogborne > > Peter, I think you are getting your lists mixed up. > The only recipes that are being mentioned are on the "Off Topic" list. > They are there so as to not annoy the ATIS posters that are 100% engine. > Have you subscribed to the OT list? > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 4 05:37:26 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 05:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic In-Reply-To: <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <2686.165.206.180.19.1146746246.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I got a good used powdercoating setup, and have a good used oven in the garage. Was going to use it for a few car parts - like suspension part and so on, then got to thinking, what about the small engines, like the Maytag, B&S, etc - anyone ever powdercoated any engines or parts? I could do anything that would fit into a standard 30" oven (of course they aren't 30" on the INSIDE!) Smaller flywheels are a good example, or fuel tanks because gas doesn't seem to be hard on the powder like it is many paints. Has anyone else used powdercoating, what are their thought or opinions, and specifically how it might relate to our toys - specifically, engines. Bill Runnells, IA From falcon at telenet.net Thu May 4 06:10:47 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:10:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <009001c66f7c$297e2ac0$c01117d1@net.telenet.net> Tom has a good pattern you could copy... The picture he linked has a pretty good line-up of different designs. Basically it needs to be stable and have the steel under the areas that you use for working the steel. While the Nimba is an UGLY looking anvil it is a great working piece. Then at the other end of the spectrum are the newer farriers anvils, they don't have enough iron in the heel or horn to be used effectively as a heavy anvil. Then if you toss in the old Japanese designs (simple block shapes) or some of the German or Greek armorers anvils (they had cast in curves and divots to form arm and leg armor) easier, it gets a bit confusing. Personally I like either the Peddinghaus style or the Vaughn/Brooks. The old Mouse Hole anvils are good workers but that short horn means you need to have a few stake anvils to form smaller items (which isn't a bad thing) You might consider making a few accessories as well. Things like forming cones and stakes and hardie tools are getting very hard to find because of all the folks "collecting" them. http://www.blackiron.us/anvil-types.html shows many of the styles. Now for the 100 dollar question, What will you be using for your trademark on the anvil? Maybe a cast in image of the Tod? Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need for a > moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now they > will become collectors items. > > The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone have > any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know anything > about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in it. > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > and nonferrous castings > 249 North Water Avenue > Sharon, PA 16146 > 330-728-2799 > Fax 330-759-1524 > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve W." > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > > > If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of > > them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. > > > > Steve Williams > > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Rowlands" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > > > > >> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel > > anvils, > >> however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many > > hobbyist > >> blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even if > > it is a > >> beautiful piece? > >> > >> http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ > >> > >> According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and heat > >> treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat > > treater > >> will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could probably > > sell a > >> comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil would > > have > >> the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our > > 1880s > >> Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. > >> > >> I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I can't > > pour > >> these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a > > 300 > >> pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. > >> > >> Rick Rowlands > >> Tod Engine Works > >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > >> and nonferrous castings > >> 249 North Water Avenue > >> Sharon, PA 16146 > >> 330-728-2799 > >> Fax 330-759-1524 > >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Steve W." > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > > generation > >> along. > >> > >> > >> > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > >> > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated evenly > > so > >> > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and > > how > >> > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good > > steel > >> > anvil made in the US. > >> > > >> > Steve Williams > >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" > >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > > generation > >> > along. > >> > > >> > > >> >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I get > > the > >> >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. > >> >> > >> >> Rick > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Steve W." > >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >> > generation > >> >> along. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor Freight > > and > >> > buy > >> >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have two > > of > >> > them > >> >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the > > face. > >> > I > >> >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" items > > for > >> >> > other folks. > >> >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > >> >> > > >> >> > Steve Williams > >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> >> > > >> >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > >> >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > >> >> > he'd have become a vegan. > >> >> > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Curt" > >> >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL > > (Oldengine.org)" > >> >> > > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > > generation > >> >> > along. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this is a > >> > show > >> >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the > > blacksmith > >> >> > there. > >> >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > >> > around > >> >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow has > > let > >> >> > him > >> >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong > > interest > >> > in > >> >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. > >> >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may recall > >> > Devin > >> >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now a > >> >> > teenager) > >> >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was missing > > all > >> > the > >> >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand > > alone > >> >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the temporary > >> > hose > >> >> > to > >> >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. > > Missy > >> > and > >> >> > I > >> >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and > > enjoyed > >> > the > >> >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and > > they > >> > are > >> >> > here: > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > ils.html> > >> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on the > >> >> > lookout > >> >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a little > > area > >> > in > >> >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely > > needs > >> > to > >> >> > be > >> >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot up > > the > >> >> > side > >> >> >> of the house! > >> >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest in > >> > this > >> >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > >> > productive > >> >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all the > >> > other > >> >> >> temptations available to them at this age. > >> >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you > > enjoy > >> >> > them. > >> >> >> Curt & Missy Holland > >> >> >> Gastonia, NC > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > SEL mailing list > >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 4 06:26:35 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: References: <043001c66f08$4b802a70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: Hi John, Jeeze man, that looks like a tab of Ecstasy!! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 3 May 2006, John Culp wrote: > This is what she won the award for. Called "Birth Control Ring." An > early piece of hers. The ring has a uterus, tubes and ovaries on it. > The uterus is a locket, opening to reveal a birth control pill on an > umbilical cord inside. > > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Birth_Control_Ring.jpg From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 4 07:09:23 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? In-Reply-To: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: G'day Pete, Now that may just be one of the lamest hissy-fit posts to hit the SEL in years. You CLEARLY don't pay attention mate. Everyone who is really into olde engines (as opposed to pointless bitching) is aware that FOOD (and hence recipies) is an integral part of the enjoyment of the hobby. In fact the SEL Cookbook was the highlight of the 2001 SEL Charity Auction. See http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/cookbook.htm Now I can see that this will present you with several serious problems. If you download a copy of the SEL Cookbook you would be honor-bound to send a contribution to Spencer, said contribution going to good charitable work. However since engine-related charities are in the minority, that would obviously distress you greatly. Second, if you happened to actually READ the cookbook, you might find that your engine mates have broad-ranging tastes in food to be enjoyed at engine shows and that they have pretty keen writing skills and a good sense of humor too. All of which you apparently lack. So mate, instead of pitching a hissy-fit, how about contributing something useful? BTW, which was your favorite recipe in the SEL Cookbook? Personally, I like the Possibly Possum Road Kill Chili, but the hopper-cooking recipies are pretty neat as is the section on brats! YUM, I'm starting to get hungry, I better go fire up an engine. See ya, Arnie PS - The FINEST black pudding I ever enjoyed was hopper-cooked in Dave Croft's Danish Uller at the 1000 Engine Rally in 2001. Double YUM! http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle2.jpg Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 4 May 2006, peter ogborne wrote: > Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a brown > onion.Put these in your blender and......................................oh > shit I forgot this is an engine and machinery list please forgive me! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu May 4 07:59:30 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:59:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous In-Reply-To: <002701c66f74$dee6e080$e185dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <046c01c66f8b$5a48de20$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Hi Dwight.It's your engine so make it >the way you like it.I have done both. Hey Edd, My friend Jack is a "paint it up" sort of guy. He was always of the opinion that Kelley and I should paint our Ericsson, which we think looks nice with remnants of black paint. He'd say, "Rob, why don't you paint that engine? It looks like a bloody funeral procession!" Then I'd say, "Jack, why don't you scrape that paint off your engine? It looks like a bloody circus clown!" Then we'd laugh, sit back and watch the tourists some more. Life is good. Rob From falcon at telenet.net Thu May 4 08:20:12 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:20:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net><04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <2686.165.206.180.19.1146746246.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <001b01c66f8e$3d5bbfa0$9f1117d1@net.telenet.net> Spent 12 years in a powder/liquid spray shop. Did LOT's of different items. Engines are a bit of a problem because of the heat they generate. If a powder cures at 400 degrees that is also the temperature it will get soft at. Also it will start to burn and char at temperatures closer to 500-600 degrees. Now on the crankcases it shouldn't be a problem but don't get it on the fins since it will hold in heat and could cause damage to the engine. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 8:37 AM Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic > I got a good used powdercoating setup, and have a good used oven in the > garage. > Was going to use it for a few car parts - like suspension part and so on, > then got to thinking, what about the small engines, like the Maytag, B&S, > etc - anyone ever powdercoated any engines or parts? > I could do anything that would fit into a standard 30" oven (of course > they aren't 30" on the INSIDE!) > > Smaller flywheels are a good example, or fuel tanks because gas doesn't > seem to be hard on the powder like it is many paints. > > Has anyone else used powdercoating, what are their thought or opinions, > and specifically how it might relate to our toys - specifically, engines. > > > Bill > Runnells, IA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu May 4 08:21:39 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:21:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing /Now Jewelry In-Reply-To: <285c63b9142e3df1923fa13a6d2a4bdb@chartertn.net> References: <044b01c66f25$e403b880$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <285c63b9142e3df1923fa13a6d2a4bdb@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <445A1C03.7020503@insulate.co.uk> Hi John Wow!!! Jennifer's artistic talents continue to develop. Is there a website with more of her designs? Does this mean that I should display Margaret with a security guard from now on as the value of one of Jennifer's early designs rockets skywards??? For newcomers to the list (by which I mean anyone who has joined in the last 6 years), this IS engine-related. http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/maytag.htm Dolly John Culp wrote: > I scratched my head and thought "What the hell?" when I saw it, too. > Women tend to see it and grin. It got the biggest response from the > audience of anything at the show in Philadelphia. She explained that > it was her response to the "True Love Waits" rings that were marketed > to teenage girls a few years ago. She doesn't think that > abstinence-only education is very sensible. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 4 10:27:01 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic In-Reply-To: <001b01c66f8e$3d5bbfa0$9f1117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net><04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <2686.165.206.180.19.1146746246.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <001b01c66f8e$3d5bbfa0$9f1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <3172.165.206.180.19.1146763621.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> WOW, Steve - that is something I guess I'd not given thought to - the heat. DUH. Man, I hate it when I miss something so obvious. OK, then perhaps on parts that won't get hot (Dave would say a Maytag at this point since he'd say an engine has to run to get hot...........) Could be good on the trucks - wheels, axles, supports, etc. Or items not exposed to heat close to 400 degrees or more then. Yeah, 400 is what the oven is supposed to be set for with what I have, powders from eastwood. Bill > Spent 12 years in a powder/liquid spray shop. Did LOT's of different > items. Engines are a bit of a problem because of the heat they generate. > If a powder cures at 400 degrees that is also the temperature it will > get soft at. Also it will start to burn and char at temperatures closer > to 500-600 degrees. Now on the crankcases it shouldn't be a problem but > don't get it on the fins since it will hold in heat and could cause > damage to the engine. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 8:37 AM > Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic > > >> I got a good used powdercoating setup, and have a good used oven in > the >> garage. >> Was going to use it for a few car parts - like suspension part and so > on, >> then got to thinking, what about the small engines, like the Maytag, > B&S, >> etc - anyone ever powdercoated any engines or parts? >> I could do anything that would fit into a standard 30" oven (of course >> they aren't 30" on the INSIDE!) >> >> Smaller flywheels are a good example, or fuel tanks because gas > doesn't >> seem to be hard on the powder like it is many paints. >> >> Has anyone else used powdercoating, what are their thought or > opinions, >> and specifically how it might relate to our toys - specifically, > engines. >> >> >> Bill >> Runnells, IA >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 4 10:28:27 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? In-Reply-To: References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <3176.165.206.180.19.1146763707.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Love the roadkill stuff - it's pre-grilled :-) Bill > G'day Pete, > > Now that may just be one of the lamest hissy-fit posts to hit the SEL in > years. You CLEARLY don't pay attention mate. Everyone who is really into > olde engines (as opposed to pointless bitching) is aware that FOOD (and > hence recipies) is an integral part of the enjoyment of the hobby. In > fact the SEL Cookbook was the highlight of the 2001 SEL Charity Auction. > > See http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/cookbook.htm > > Now I can see that this will present you with several serious problems. > If you download a copy of the SEL Cookbook you would be honor-bound to > send a contribution to Spencer, said contribution going to good > charitable work. However since engine-related charities are in the > minority, that would obviously distress you greatly. Second, if you > happened to actually READ the cookbook, you might find that your engine > mates have broad-ranging tastes in food to be enjoyed at engine shows and > that they have pretty keen writing skills and a good sense of humor too. > All of which you apparently lack. > > So mate, instead of pitching a hissy-fit, how about contributing something > useful? BTW, which was your favorite recipe in the SEL Cookbook? > Personally, I like the Possibly Possum Road Kill Chili, but the > hopper-cooking recipies are pretty neat as is the section on brats! YUM, > I'm starting to get hungry, I better go fire up an engine. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - The FINEST black pudding I ever enjoyed was hopper-cooked in Dave > Croft's Danish Uller at the 1000 Engine Rally in 2001. Double YUM! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle2.jpg > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Thu, 4 May 2006, peter ogborne wrote: > >> Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a >> brown >> onion.Put these in your blender >> and......................................oh >> shit I forgot this is an engine and machinery list please forgive me! >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 4 11:07:56 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 14:07:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic In-Reply-To: <3172.165.206.180.19.1146763621.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net><04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <2686.165.206.180.19.1146746246.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <001b01c66f8e$3d5bbfa0$9f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <3172.165.206.180.19.1146763621.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <445A42FC.9020807@imc-group.com> Bill, I've powder coated flat belt pulleys and cart wheels on several engines. I have a neighbor in the light pole business so I get the "good neighbor discount" (free). Powder coat is some tough stuff. It is a bear to blast back off! So if you want an excellent, tough finish go for it. Aside from exhaust manifolds, if you have old engine parts approaching 400?F you got bigger problems than worrying about charred powdercoat! My neighbor tells me that if the powdercoat get scuffed all you have to do is reheat that part to the flow temperature and the finish is restored to the original high gloss. That's a neat feature. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >WOW, Steve - that is something I guess I'd not given thought to - the heat. >DUH. Man, I hate it when I miss something so obvious. > >OK, then perhaps on parts that won't get hot (Dave would say a Maytag at >this point since he'd say an engine has to run to get hot...........) > >Could be good on the trucks - wheels, axles, supports, etc. Or items not >exposed to heat close to 400 degrees or more then. >Yeah, 400 is what the oven is supposed to be set for with what I have, >powders from eastwood. > >Bill > > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 4 13:04:47 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:04:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Listers in Greenville? Message-ID: <445A5E5F.7080407@imc-group.com> Any list members in the Greenville, SC area? Contact me off list please. curt at imc-group.com Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu May 4 14:01:28 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:01:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous References: <20060503130603.ELXO847.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <006d01c66fbd$eaf848c0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> What a Nice engine that is Edd, and sounds beautiful while running, can't wait to see it finished at Manilla . Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous > Edd has been doing some work on his lovely 10hp throttle-governed Famous. > I > will leave it to Edd to fill in the details. > This is how I last saw it a year or so ago: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/03083015.JPG > > This is it now: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100001.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100002.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100003.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100004.JPG > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu May 4 14:03:02 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:03:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous References: <20060503130603.ELXO847.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <007001c66fbe$22bf2760$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Thanks for the Photo's Patrick. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous > Edd has been doing some work on his lovely 10hp throttle-governed Famous. > I > will leave it to Edd to fill in the details. > This is how I last saw it a year or so ago: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/03083015.JPG > > This is it now: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100001.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100002.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100003.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/2006_0503fam100004.JPG > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 4 14:06:36 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:06:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils Message-ID: <269.98865ab.318bc6dc@aol.com> In a message dated 5/4/2006 7:08:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes: << The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. >> Would you like an up close photo of my 250# to think on? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu May 4 15:07:01 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:07:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous References: <046c01c66f8b$5a48de20$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <002d01c66fc7$12da28a0$e684dccb@oemcomputer> Tis what turns you no.Both ways have there place.A prober restoration using all correct parts, correct colour etc gives future restores a benchmark to work .The same again without the paint job is also very desirable especially if there is some original finish still on the engine.Some shows here give trophies.I have won many for my highly restored Galloway and also my Ottawa.I have won many for my New Holland and now my Foos which are unpainted.Especially the New Holland ,it has most of its paint.So it is all in the eye of the beholder. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 12:59 Subject: RE: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous > > Hi Dwight.It's your engine so make it > >the way you like it.I have done both. > > Hey Edd, > My friend Jack is a "paint it up" sort of guy. He was > always of the opinion that Kelley and I should paint our > Ericsson, which we think looks nice with remnants of black > paint. He'd say, "Rob, why don't you paint that engine? It > looks like a bloody funeral procession!" Then I'd say, > "Jack, why don't you scrape that paint off your engine? It > looks like a bloody circus clown!" Then we'd laugh, sit > back and watch the tourists some more. > > Life is good. > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu May 4 15:56:03 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:56:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Quirindi Message-ID: <000701c66fcd$ec03f920$e684dccb@oemcomputer> All loaded and ready to go.I am of to Quirindi for there annual rally.Will take some pics and give them to Patrick to put up when I get back. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From falcon at telenet.net Thu May 4 17:46:47 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:46:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net><04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <2686.165.206.180.19.1146746246.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <001b01c66f8e$3d5bbfa0$9f1117d1@net.telenet.net><3172.165.206.180.19.1146763621.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <445A42FC.9020807@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00ba01c66fdd$64246480$5b5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Your neighbor is partly correct. Usually you have to get it a bit warmer than the cure temp to get it to reflow. I used to enjoy doing powder demos when client companies would want something different. We did candy colors, metallic, base clear types, even did things with swirled powders. The current item coming out is a process to put a wood like finish on using powder, when finished the part looks like it is made of wood, even has graining. We did some flame spraying and nylon coating as well. Nylon is fun to do. It cures at about 650 degrees. You need to use a flow primer on the part then preheat the part and coat it while hot, then bake it until it flows out then cool it quick. Since we only did small parts we used a batch oven. I used to get to play with that stuff. Still have the scar from a part falling onto my arm when a rack failed. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic > Bill, > I've powder coated flat belt pulleys and cart wheels on several engines. > I have a neighbor in the light pole business so I get the "good neighbor > discount" (free). Powder coat is some tough stuff. It is a bear to blast > back off! So if you want an excellent, tough finish go for it. > Aside from exhaust manifolds, if you have old engine parts approaching > 400?F you got bigger problems than worrying about charred powdercoat! > My neighbor tells me that if the powdercoat get scuffed all you have to > do is reheat that part to the flow temperature and the finish is > restored to the original high gloss. That's a neat feature. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > >WOW, Steve - that is something I guess I'd not given thought to - the heat. > >DUH. Man, I hate it when I miss something so obvious. > > > >OK, then perhaps on parts that won't get hot (Dave would say a Maytag at > >this point since he'd say an engine has to run to get hot...........) > > > >Could be good on the trucks - wheels, axles, supports, etc. Or items not > >exposed to heat close to 400 degrees or more then. > >Yeah, 400 is what the oven is supposed to be set for with what I have, > >powders from eastwood. > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu May 4 18:49:14 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 21:49:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr. Message-ID: <009701c66fe6$1e028280$53b6f504@Ed> I inquired about a 50 year old Planet Jr. frame with good tires on it and the man who has it says that the cycle bar and reel mowers for it are in his basement. Anybody interested in it get with me off line. edstoller at earthlink dot net Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ From oiseming at moscow.com Thu May 4 19:28:22 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:28:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic In-Reply-To: <2686.165.206.180.19.1146746246.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <200605050229.k452SatG063591@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:37 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] powdercoating engine parts? On Topic I got a good used powdercoating setup, and have a good used oven in the garage. Was going to use it for a few car parts - like suspension part and so on, then got to thinking, what about the small engines, like the Maytag, B&S, etc - anyone ever powdercoated any engines or parts? I could do anything that would fit into a standard 30" oven (of course they aren't 30" on the INSIDE!) Smaller flywheels are a good example, or fuel tanks because gas doesn't seem to be hard on the powder like it is many paints. Has anyone else used powdercoating, what are their thought or opinions, and specifically how it might relate to our toys - specifically, engines. Bill Runnells, IA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ An acquaintance of mine powder coated an entire engine. It looked sharp. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From rotigel at alltel.net Thu May 4 21:06:33 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 00:06:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? In-Reply-To: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060505000354.040cb158@mail.alltel.net> At 06:29 AM 5/4/2006, you wrote: >Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a brown >onion.Put these in your blender >and......................................oh shit I forgot this is an >engine and machinery list please forgive me! >Peter Ogborne Hi Peter, Had a bit too much of the grape again, have you mate? Oh well, you should be feeling a bit better by now. Dave From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu May 4 16:24:37 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:24:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <009001c66f7c$297e2ac0$c01117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> Looking at the page in your link I personally like the peter wright and hay budden designs. Someone else has already asked me about making the cones but I cannot remember who. I can also make the hardie tools someday. We have a logo which used to be the William Tod Company's logo. Its on our sign in front of the property. http://community.webshots.com/photo/453467954/1453484357033749120aGCDLF I was thinking of putting that logo with "Tod Engine Works Youngstown, Ohio" on one side and the weight and casting date on the other. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > Tom has a good pattern you could copy... The picture he linked has a > pretty good line-up of different designs. > > Basically it needs to be stable and have the steel under the areas that > you use for working the steel. While the Nimba is an UGLY looking anvil > it is a great working piece. Then at the other end of the spectrum are > the newer farriers anvils, they don't have enough iron in the heel or > horn to be used effectively as a heavy anvil. Then if you toss in the > old Japanese designs (simple block shapes) or some of the German or > Greek armorers anvils (they had cast in curves and divots to form arm > and leg armor) easier, it gets a bit confusing. > > Personally I like either the Peddinghaus style or the Vaughn/Brooks. The > old Mouse Hole anvils are good workers but that short horn means you > need to have a few stake anvils to form smaller items (which isn't a bad > thing) You might consider making a few accessories as well. Things like > forming cones and stakes and hardie tools are getting very hard to find > because of all the folks "collecting" them. > > http://www.blackiron.us/anvil-types.html shows many of the styles. > > Now for the 100 dollar question, What will you be using for your > trademark on the anvil? Maybe a cast in image of the Tod? > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:00 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > >> It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need > for a >> moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now > they >> will become collectors items. >> >> The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone > have >> any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know > anything >> about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in > it. >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Tod Engine Works >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron >> and nonferrous castings >> 249 North Water Avenue >> Sharon, PA 16146 >> 330-728-2799 >> Fax 330-759-1524 >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve W." >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils >> >> >> > If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of >> > them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. >> > >> > Steve Williams >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils >> > >> > >> >> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel >> > anvils, >> >> however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many >> > hobbyist >> >> blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even > if >> > it is a >> >> beautiful piece? >> >> >> >> http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ >> >> >> >> According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and > heat >> >> treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat >> > treater >> >> will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could > probably >> > sell a >> >> comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil > would >> > have >> >> the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our >> > 1880s >> >> Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. >> >> >> >> I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I > can't >> > pour >> >> these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a >> > 300 >> >> pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. >> >> >> >> Rick Rowlands >> >> Tod Engine Works >> >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron >> >> and nonferrous castings >> >> 249 North Water Avenue >> >> Sharon, PA 16146 >> >> 330-728-2799 >> >> Fax 330-759-1524 >> >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Steve W." >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >> > generation >> >> along. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon >> >> > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated > evenly >> > so >> >> > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and >> > how >> >> > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good >> > steel >> >> > anvil made in the US. >> >> > >> >> > Steve Williams >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" >> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >> > generation >> >> > along. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I > get >> > the >> >> >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. >> >> >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Steve W." >> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >> >> > generation >> >> >> along. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor > Freight >> > and >> >> > buy >> >> >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have > two >> > of >> >> > them >> >> >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the >> > face. >> >> > I >> >> >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" > items >> > for >> >> >> > other folks. >> >> >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Steve Williams >> >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed >> >> >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, >> >> >> > he'd have become a vegan. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> > From: "Curt" >> >> >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL >> > (Oldengine.org)" >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM >> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >> > generation >> >> >> > along. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this > is a >> >> > show >> >> >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the >> > blacksmith >> >> >> > there. >> >> >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung >> >> > around >> >> >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow > has >> > let >> >> >> > him >> >> >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong >> > interest >> >> > in >> >> >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. >> >> >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may > recall >> >> > Devin >> >> >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now > a >> >> >> > teenager) >> >> >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was > missing >> > all >> >> > the >> >> >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand >> > alone >> >> >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the > temporary >> >> > hose >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. >> > Missy >> >> > and >> >> >> > I >> >> >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and >> > enjoyed >> >> > the >> >> >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and >> > they >> >> > are >> >> >> > here: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > ils.html> >> >> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on > the >> >> >> > lookout >> >> >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a > little >> > area >> >> > in >> >> >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely >> > needs >> >> > to >> >> >> > be >> >> >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot > up >> > the >> >> >> > side >> >> >> >> of the house! >> >> >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest > in >> >> > this >> >> >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something >> >> > productive >> >> >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all > the >> >> > other >> >> >> >> temptations available to them at this age. >> >> >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you >> > enjoy >> >> >> > them. >> >> >> >> Curt & Missy Holland >> >> >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu May 4 16:14:11 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:14:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <269.98865ab.318bc6dc@aol.com> Message-ID: <002401c66fd0$74a2b9e0$bd161941@pengy> Yes! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > In a message dated 5/4/2006 7:08:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes: > > << The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. >> > > Would you like an up close photo of my 250# to think on? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brianne at ultratune.com.au Fri May 5 01:14:04 2006 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:14:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old tool Message-ID: <00bf01c6701b$e0efaef0$d5c4dccb@brian> Hi Folks I know it is not strictly speaking related to engines, but thought someone may be able to help identify an old hand tool we have. It appears to be some kind of hand plane or scraper. Excelsior No5. Picture can be viewed on our site at http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html Once on the site, click on Events and then Excelsior down the bottom. Any help appreciated. Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness. 07-4124 6526 WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri May 5 01:43:33 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:43:33 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Old tool In-Reply-To: <00bf01c6701b$e0efaef0$d5c4dccb@brian> Message-ID: <20060505084322.TJLZ847.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Brian, I have something similar here. I was told it is a tool for setting the teeth on a drag-saw. The tool I have came with a drag-saw I used to have. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Folks I know it is not strictly speaking related to engines, but thought someone may be able to help identify an old hand tool we have. It appears to be some kind of hand plane or scraper. Excelsior No5. Picture can be viewed on our site at http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html Once on the site, click on Events and then Excelsior down the bottom. Any help appreciated. Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness. 07-4124 6526 WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html _______________________________________________ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri May 5 02:37:50 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:37:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> <6.1.2.0.0.20060505000354.040cb158@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000701c67027$978662c0$8b0d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hey ,your loosing your touch old fella! You can do better than that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? > At 06:29 AM 5/4/2006, you wrote: >>Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a brown >>onion.Put these in your blender >>and......................................oh shit I forgot this is an >>engine and machinery list please forgive me! >>Peter Ogborne > > Hi Peter, Had a bit too much of the grape again, have you mate? Oh well, > you should be feeling a bit better by now. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From russell at ncable.com.au Fri May 5 03:55:11 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 20:55:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <001f01c66b77$d0939150$e7fb30cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with how a hot tube engine works but .... don't they require a constant lamp to run??? I guess one would just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil engines can maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp when running. Russell At 06:29 PM 29/04/2006 +0800, you wrote: >Interesting subject Russell.......would the same problem arise with a >three valve engine ? I ask because I have an engine ,make unknown . A lot >of the essential bits were missing such as the fuel system . As I have >nothing to copy I have to '' invent'' the system . It is a Hot Tube engine >with a pecker operating the fuel or vapour valve and the fuel oil supply >would be constant. One thing that worries me is the fact that the governor >is belt driven so there will be no leaving the engine unattended! >----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:28 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines > > >> >>>One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >>>the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of >>>the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >>>off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is >>>heart-stopping. >> >>Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with >>the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of >>this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even >>been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my >>engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot >>bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It >>made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first >>made a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these >>old girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up >>and with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went >>as one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old >>girl down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had >>to save the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a >>friend with me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up >>big time!) we pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will >>run out quick enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was >>to hot to remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold >>the valve shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a >>decent hold onto the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was >>on our side as we managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve >>started to crush a little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve >>better and it slowed down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away >>the stained undies. Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left >>the engine alone for a little while. I think all this happened about the >>time on the SEL we were chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 >>years ago. Well I can smile about it now and talk about my 1000rpm >>blacky. From all this I guess could come a question for any oil engine >>gurus as to how would they (if there is an easy way) shut down a hot bulb >>engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if they ran away like that. >> >>Russell >> >> >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Fri May 5 03:55:11 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 20:55:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <001f01c66b77$d0939150$e7fb30cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with how a hot tube engine works but .... don't they require a constant lamp to run??? I guess one would just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil engines can maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp when running. Russell At 06:29 PM 29/04/2006 +0800, you wrote: >Interesting subject Russell.......would the same problem arise with a >three valve engine ? I ask because I have an engine ,make unknown . A lot >of the essential bits were missing such as the fuel system . As I have >nothing to copy I have to '' invent'' the system . It is a Hot Tube engine >with a pecker operating the fuel or vapour valve and the fuel oil supply >would be constant. One thing that worries me is the fact that the governor >is belt driven so there will be no leaving the engine unattended! >----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:28 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines > > >> >>>One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >>>the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of >>>the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >>>off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is >>>heart-stopping. >> >>Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with >>the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of >>this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even >>been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my >>engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot >>bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It >>made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first >>made a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these >>old girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up >>and with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went >>as one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old >>girl down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had >>to save the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a >>friend with me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up >>big time!) we pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will >>run out quick enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was >>to hot to remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold >>the valve shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a >>decent hold onto the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was >>on our side as we managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve >>started to crush a little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve >>better and it slowed down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away >>the stained undies. Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left >>the engine alone for a little while. I think all this happened about the >>time on the SEL we were chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 >>years ago. Well I can smile about it now and talk about my 1000rpm >>blacky. From all this I guess could come a question for any oil engine >>gurus as to how would they (if there is an easy way) shut down a hot bulb >>engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if they ran away like that. >> >>Russell >> >> >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu May 4 16:15:04 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:15:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <4459EC91.60502@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002e01c66fd0$93fe38f0$bd161941@pengy> Since you are making the pattern you can put a pocket in there if you wish. :-) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > Rick, > I was wondering if a small pocket should be built in to the base to more > easily hold the blackpowder charge for the inevitable anvil launching :-) > Curt > > Rick Rowlands wrote: > >> It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need for >> a moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now >> they will become collectors items. >> >> The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone have >> any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know anything >> about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in it. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri May 5 03:58:37 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:58:37 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Flaming Message-ID: <001d01c67032$e0460a00$8b0d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Helen , was it a rap on the knuckles or was it a flame ? OK,I don't have a problem with either. . All I did was respond to the increase of OT subjects ,yes I know there is the delete key ,but sometimes we do like to punish ourselves and read some of the bullshit that comes along. You may recall recently some poor bastard included in his postings reference to his religious beliefs. His fundamentalist references to the bible evoked quite a belligerent and insulting response from some members, .......were they Flamed? This individual was harmless ,did not insult anyone but did he cop it for stating his beliefs and that was only what was on the list. He has now unsubscribed, he did and would have, I am sure had further engine related comments to contribute but now we have lost him. I don't give a damm what his beliefs were but he did not get a fair go. His replies to critics were quite predictable and those of a zealot but they did not warrant the abuse he received However, expected as they were, some of the responses to my comments were light hearted so I wont go away and sulk. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From russell at ncable.com.au Fri May 5 03:58:39 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 20:58:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <001c01c66b8e$c8df6710$6500a8c0@PREFERREB23498> References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074839.021b6ec8@mail.ncable.com.au> Don it's kinda impossible to flood the engine. There is always a well of fuel waiting to be suck into the vaporizer with the overflow returning to the tank. I recon if you sprayed wd40 it would enjoy burning that as well. At 09:14 AM 29/04/2006 -0400, you wrote: >I dont have a engine like that but I am guessing you could flood the >engine with tooo much fuel and choke it to death with a over rich mixture >of gas as could you spray wd 40 or something like that in the intack >vaulve area ???? >don >----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:28 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines > > >> >>>One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >>>the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of >>>the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >>>off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is >>>heart-stopping. >> >>Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with >>the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of >>this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even >>been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my >>engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot >>bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It >>made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first >>made a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these >>old girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up >>and with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went >>as one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old >>girl down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had >>to save the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a >>friend with me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up >>big time!) we pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will >>run out quick enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was >>to hot to remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold >>the valve shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a >>decent hold onto the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was >>on our side as we managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve >>started to crush a little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve >>better and it slowed down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away >>the stained undies. Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left >>the engine alone for a little while. I think all this happened about the >>time on the SEL we were chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 >>years ago. Well I can smile about it now and talk about my 1000rpm >>blacky. From all this I guess could come a question for any oil engine >>gurus as to how would they (if there is an easy way) shut down a hot bulb >>engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if they ran away like that. >> >>Russell >> >> >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri May 5 04:06:30 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 21:06:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? References: <001101c66f65$afc08e50$d0c631cb@ogborneuah38i3><6.1.2.0.0.20060505000354.040cb158@mail.alltel.net> <000701c67027$978662c0$8b0d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <008f01c67033$f78eed20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hey Peter. I do a bit of cooking. What is the finish to this recipe. Sounds interesting. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? > Hey ,your loosing your touch old fella! You can do better than that. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 12:06 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] recipes........is this OT? > > > > At 06:29 AM 5/4/2006, you wrote: > >>Take six fresh eggs , half a cup of brown sugar, one potatoes and a brown > >>onion.Put these in your blender > >>and......................................oh shit I forgot this is an > >>engine and machinery list please forgive me! > >>Peter Ogborne > > > > Hi Peter, Had a bit too much of the grape again, have you mate? Oh well, > > you should be feeling a bit better by now. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu May 4 23:47:00 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 02:47:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <4459EC91.60502@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <016401c6700f$b66d13e0$bd161941@pengy> I've done a bit of research on anvils and there are about three or four anvil makers on the web. Only one makes forged anvils but apparently they have been discontinued and two of the makers is in the US. All of the makers offer anvils in various sizes. I don't think it would be wise to go through the effort and expense of a series of patterns for anvils until it is known that there is indeed a market for what I would produce. We will just have to see how successful our first offering is. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > Rick, > I was wondering if a small pocket should be built in to the base to more > easily hold the blackpowder charge for the inevitable anvil launching :-) > Curt > > Rick Rowlands wrote: > >> It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need for >> a moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now >> they will become collectors items. >> >> The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone have >> any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know anything >> about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in it. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri May 5 04:09:40 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <009001c66f7c$297e2ac0$c01117d1@net.telenet.net> <004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: Hi Rick, Take a look at a blacksmithing reference. Anvils came in unusual (for today) weights with a marking code to designate the weight. It might be neat to keep that concept as opposed to a "round number" weight like 250# See ya, Arnie On Thu, 4 May 2006, Rick Rowlands wrote: > Looking at the page in your link I personally like the peter wright and hay > budden designs. Someone else has already asked me about making the cones > but I cannot remember who. I can also make the hardie tools someday. > > We have a logo which used to be the William Tod Company's logo. Its on our > sign in front of the property. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/453467954/1453484357033749120aGCDLF > > I was thinking of putting that logo with "Tod Engine Works Youngstown, Ohio" > on one side and the weight and casting date on the other. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri May 5 04:26:52 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: G'day Russell, With hot tube oil field engines (two stroke), they can run for several minutes quite happily after the hot tube burner goes out. In terms of a "quick" shutoff, you'd do better to quench the tube with a cold beer. 8-)) Or just turn the gas off, or ... See ya, Arnie On Fri, 5 May 2006, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with how a hot tube > engine works but .... don't they require a constant lamp to run??? I guess > one would just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil engines can > maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp when running. From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri May 5 05:06:11 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:06:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Flaming In-Reply-To: <001d01c67032$e0460a00$8b0d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001d01c67032$e0460a00$8b0d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <445B3FB3.2080501@insulate.co.uk> Hi Peter I took it OFF LIST because I was trying to point out that your complaints about off-topic postings were resulting in more bandwidth-wasting that the posts you were originally complaining about. You can call it flaming if you like, although I do try to be polite, but what I was TRYING to point out was that if you don't like off-topic, then don't contribute to it! Dolly peter ogborne wrote: > Helen , was it a rap on the knuckles or was it a flame ? OK,I don't > have a > problem with either. -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri May 5 05:18:18 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:18:18 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Edd's 10hp Famous In-Reply-To: <002d01c66fc7$12da28a0$e684dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060505121806.JKDU14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I agree with you Edd. Whatever you wish to do with your engine is fine (except maybe painting it bright pink). I tend to lean to a full restoration with a good finish (tough not overdoing it). I was going to paint my big Stover YC but I am getting used to it in its working clothes. All the R&Vs will get a good paint job eventually as R&Vs were very well finished from the factory. To each is own. If we all liked the same thing it would be a boring hobby ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Tis what turns you no.Both ways have there place.A prober restoration using all correct parts, correct colour etc gives future restores a benchmark to work .The same again without the paint job is also very desirable especially if there is some original finish still on the engine.Some shows here give trophies.I have won many for my highly restored Galloway and also my Ottawa.I have won many for my New Holland and now my Foos which are unpainted.Especially the New Holland ,it has most of its paint.So it is all in the eye of the beholder. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri May 5 05:24:17 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Was: Edd's 10hp Famous / Now: Edd's Shed In-Reply-To: <20060505121806.JKDU14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060505121806.JKDU14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: G'day Edd, While looking at the pics of your lovely 10hp Famous I noticed what looks like a pretty neat engine storage system along the walls of your shed. Is this a home-build system or some sort of store-bought rack affair? Do you have a fork lift or some other system to get engines into the upper levels? Any info you could share would be appreciated. I'm currently struggling with a floor space limitation in my shed and would HATE to be forced to stop buying engines for lack of space. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 5 08:49:57 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:49:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old tool In-Reply-To: <00bf01c6701b$e0efaef0$d5c4dccb@brian> Message-ID: <05b601c6705b$907bb8c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > It appears to be some kind of hand plane or scraper. Excelsior No5. > Picture can be viewed on our site at > http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html > Once on the site, click on Events and then Excelsior down the bottom. > Any help appreciated. Hi Brian, It's a tool for working on saws. Atkins made saws in the early days. Sorry, I don't know how to use the tool. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 5 08:59:34 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:59:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <05bd01c6705c$e89419c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with >how a hot tube engine works but .... don't they >require a constant lamp to run??? I guess one would >just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil >engines can maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp >when running. Hi Russell, Vaporising oil engines are entirely different than engines that utilize hot tube ignition. Apples. Oranges. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 5 09:03:17 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:03:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Edd's Shed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <05be01c6705d$6dd2aa70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Any info you could share would be appreciated. > I'm currently struggling with a floor space > limitation in my shed and would HATE to be > forced to stop buying engines for lack of > space. Engines GOTO shed WifeCar GOTO driveway From falcon at telenet.net Fri May 5 11:02:31 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:02:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old tool References: <05b601c6705b$907bb8c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <001701c6706e$14e67980$6a1117d1@net.telenet.net> Title #2: "Atkins Excelsior Saw Tool No. 5". C. 1916. Instruction sheet for the use of the Atkins No.5 Excelsior Saw Tool, a combined cross cut saw Jointer, Raker Tooth Gauge and Side File. Includes instructions for use of Setting Block and Set Gauge. Text illustrated with steelplate engravings. 5.25" x 13.75" single page reproduced on yellow paper as in the original. Price: $4.00 Gary Roberts , Boston, MA http://members.tripod.com/sawtool/Publications/SawSetPublications.htm Found these online. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Old tool > > > It appears to be some kind of hand plane or scraper. > Excelsior No5. > > Picture can be viewed on our site at > > http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html > > Once on the site, click on Events and then Excelsior down > the bottom. > > Any help appreciated. > > Hi Brian, > It's a tool for working on saws. Atkins made saws in the > early days. Sorry, I don't know how to use the tool. > > Rob > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Fri May 5 14:48:36 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 07:48:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Edd's Shed In-Reply-To: <05be01c6705d$6dd2aa70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060506074259.00bd56f8@mail.ncable.com.au> Good morning folks. I'm sure Edd will reply but I have to say he's shed is pretty neat. When standing in Edds shed you feel like everything is right at your fingurtips. Other large collections can often be real spread out and often get cluttered. If you are the type who is truely suffering from terminal engine disease then a 5 minute stand in Edd's shed will kill you. wurst than any kids experience of standing in a lollie shop and not knowing what to take first. A credit to a true collector. Russell At 09:03 AM 5/05/2006 -0700, you wrote: > > Any info you could share would be appreciated. > > I'm currently struggling with a floor space > > limitation in my shed and would HATE to be > > forced to stop buying engines for lack of > > space. > > >Engines GOTO shed >WifeCar GOTO driveway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Fri May 5 14:53:22 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 07:53:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <05bd01c6705c$e89419c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060506075113.00be9048@mail.ncable.com.au> Are all hot tube engines constant lamp??? I believe the lamp or flame itself is the source of ignition??? Is this correct? or are there various kinds of hot tube engines? russell At 08:59 AM 5/05/2006 -0700, you wrote: > >Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with > >how a hot tube engine works but .... don't they > >require a constant lamp to run??? I guess one would > >just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil > >engines can maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp > >when running. > >Hi Russell, >Vaporising oil engines are entirely different >than engines that utilize hot tube ignition. >Apples. Oranges. > >=-=-=-=-=-= >Rob Skinner >La Habra, California >mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com >http://www.rustyiron.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Fri May 5 15:33:48 2006 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:33:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20060506075113.00be9048@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Russell, The hot tube engines use a constant flame. It heats an area on a tube coming out of the engine head to red hot temperatures. On the compression stroke it pushes the fresh air/fuel mixture up the tube and when it hits the red spot it ignites. Here's a picture of the one I recently built for my Field-Brundage engine, it uses a 1/8" tube about 8" long- http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/otherpr.html Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Sat, 6 May 2006, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Are all hot tube engines constant lamp??? I believe the lamp or flame > itself is the source of ignition??? Is this correct? or are there various > kinds of hot tube engines? > russell > > > At 08:59 AM 5/05/2006 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with > > >how a hot tube engine works but .... don't they > > >require a constant lamp to run??? I guess one would > > >just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil > > >engines can maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp > > >when running. > > > >Hi Russell, > >Vaporising oil engines are entirely different > >than engines that utilize hot tube ignition. > >Apples. Oranges. > > > >=-=-=-=-=-= > >Rob Skinner > >La Habra, California > >mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > >http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri May 5 16:01:42 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 18:01:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils In-Reply-To: <004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com> <001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net> <027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy> <007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net> <03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy> <013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net> <04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy> <009001c66f7c$297e2ac0$c01117d1@net.telenet.net> <004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060505175335.0209b5b0@herculesengines.com> Rick That was me asking you abut the cone. I've been thinking about how to make the patterns. It will require your higher capacity furnace. Keith www.herculesengines.com At 06:24 PM 5/4/2006, you wrote: >Looking at the page in your link I personally like the peter wright >and hay budden designs. Someone else has already asked me about >making the cones but I cannot remember who. I can also make the >hardie tools someday. > >We have a logo which used to be the William Tod Company's logo. Its >on our sign in front of the property. > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/453467954/1453484357033749120aGCDLF > >I was thinking of putting that logo with "Tod Engine Works >Youngstown, Ohio" on one side and the weight and casting date on the other. > >Rick > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:10 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > >>Tom has a good pattern you could copy... The picture he linked has a >>pretty good line-up of different designs. >> >>Basically it needs to be stable and have the steel under the areas that >>you use for working the steel. While the Nimba is an UGLY looking anvil >>it is a great working piece. Then at the other end of the spectrum are >>the newer farriers anvils, they don't have enough iron in the heel or >>horn to be used effectively as a heavy anvil. Then if you toss in the >>old Japanese designs (simple block shapes) or some of the German or >>Greek armorers anvils (they had cast in curves and divots to form arm >>and leg armor) easier, it gets a bit confusing. >> >>Personally I like either the Peddinghaus style or the Vaughn/Brooks. The >>old Mouse Hole anvils are good workers but that short horn means you >>need to have a few stake anvils to form smaller items (which isn't a bad >>thing) You might consider making a few accessories as well. Things like >>forming cones and stakes and hardie tools are getting very hard to find >>because of all the folks "collecting" them. >> >>http://www.blackiron.us/anvil-types.html shows many of the styles. >> >>Now for the 100 dollar question, What will you be using for your >>trademark on the anvil? Maybe a cast in image of the Tod? >> >>Steve Williams >>Near Cooperstown, New York >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:00 AM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils >> >> >>>It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need >>for a >>>moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now >>they >>>will become collectors items. >>> >>>The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone >>have >>>any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know >>anything >>>about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in >>it. >>> >>>Rick Rowlands >>>Tod Engine Works >>>Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron >>>and nonferrous castings >>>249 North Water Avenue >>>Sharon, PA 16146 >>>330-728-2799 >>>Fax 330-759-1524 >>>www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:03 PM >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils >>> >>> >>> > If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of >>> > them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. >>> > >>> > Steve Williams >>> > Near Cooperstown, New York >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" >>> >>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils >>> > >>> > >>> >> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel >>> > anvils, >>> >> however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many >>> > hobbyist >>> >> blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even >>if >>> > it is a >>> >> beautiful piece? >>> >> >>> >> http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ >>> >> >>> >> According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and >>heat >>> >> treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat >>> > treater >>> >> will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could >>probably >>> > sell a >>> >> comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil >>would >>> > have >>> >> the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our >>> > 1880s >>> >> Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. >>> >> >>> >> I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I >>can't >>> > pour >>> >> these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a >>> > 300 >>> >> pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. >>> >> >>> >> Rick Rowlands >>> >> Tod Engine Works >>> >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron >>> >> and nonferrous castings >>> >> 249 North Water Avenue >>> >> Sharon, PA 16146 >>> >> 330-728-2799 >>> >> Fax 330-759-1524 >>> >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve W." >>> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM >>> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >>> > generation >>> >> along. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon >>> >> > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated >>evenly >>> > so >>> >> > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and >>> > how >>> >> > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good >>> > steel >>> >> > anvil made in the US. >>> >> > >>> >> > Steve Williams >>> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" >>> >>> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> > >>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM >>> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >>> > generation >>> >> > along. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I >>get >>> > the >>> >> >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Rick >>> >> >> >>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Steve W." >>> >>> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> > >>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM >>> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >>> >> > generation >>> >> >> along. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor >>Freight >>> > and >>> >> > buy >>> >> >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have >>two >>> > of >>> >> > them >>> >> >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the >>> > face. >>> >> > I >>> >> >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" >>items >>> > for >>> >> >> > other folks. >>> >> >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Steve Williams >>> >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed >>> >> >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, >>> >> >> > he'd have become a vegan. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Curt" >>> >>> >> >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL >>> > (Oldengine.org)" >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM >>> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next >>> > generation >>> >> >> > along. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this >>is a >>> >> > show >>> >> >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the >>> > blacksmith >>> >> >> > there. >>> >> >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung >>> >> > around >>> >> >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow >>has >>> > let >>> >> >> > him >>> >> >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong >>> > interest >>> >> > in >>> >> >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. >>> >> >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may >>recall >>> >> > Devin >>> >> >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now >>a >>> >> >> > teenager) >>> >> >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was >>missing >>> > all >>> >> > the >>> >> >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand >>> > alone >>> >> >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the >>temporary >>> >> > hose >>> >> >> > to >>> >> >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. >>> > Missy >>> >> > and >>> >> >> > I >>> >> >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and >>> > enjoyed >>> >> > the >>> >> >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and >>> > they >>> >> > are >>> >> >> > here: >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> >> >> > ils.html> >>> >> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on >>the >>> >> >> > lookout >>> >> >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a >>little >>> > area >>> >> > in >>> >> >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely >>> > needs >>> >> > to >>> >> >> > be >>> >> >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot >>up >>> > the >>> >> >> > side >>> >> >> >> of the house! >>> >> >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest >>in >>> >> > this >>> >> >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something >>> >> > productive >>> >> >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all >>the >>> >> > other >>> >> >> >> temptations available to them at this age. >>> >> >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you >>> > enjoy >>> >> >> > them. >>> >> >> >> Curt & Missy Holland >>> >> >> >> Gastonia, NC >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >> SEL mailing list >>> >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> > SEL mailing list >>> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> SEL mailing list >>> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > SEL mailing list >>> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> SEL mailing list >>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From weolson at wiktel.com Fri May 5 16:29:25 2006 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 18:29:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old tool In-Reply-To: <00bf01c6701b$e0efaef0$d5c4dccb@brian> References: <00bf01c6701b$e0efaef0$d5c4dccb@brian> Message-ID: <445BDFD5.9050109@wiktel.com> The tool is used to file the raker teeth of a crosscut saw. You would set the tool on the saw with the raker tooth extending through the hole in the center depressed section. The screw on the bottom is then adjusted to the proper height to file the raker so that it is just below the height of the cutting teeth (('m not sure of the amount, perhaps 1/64 or 1/32 of an inch) or whatever setting works for you. Then you would have to file the raker with a cant file just until the flat portion of the raker disappears. Now you have a sharp set of rakers that will rake out the small portion of wood that the chisel teeth have cut the sides on. I hope this helps. William Olson Roosevelt, MN Brian Taylor wrote: >Hi Folks >I know it is not strictly speaking related to engines, but thought someone may be able to help identify an old hand tool we have. >It appears to be some kind of hand plane or scraper. Excelsior No5. >Picture can be viewed on our site at http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html >Once on the site, click on Events and then Excelsior down the bottom. >Any help appreciated. >Brian Taylor >Publicity Officer >Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum >13 Zephyr St. >Scarness. >07-4124 6526 >WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From falcon at telenet.net Fri May 5 19:12:31 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:12:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net><04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy><009001c66f7c$297e2ac0$c01117d1@net.telenet.net><004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> <7.0.1.0.2.20060505175335.0209b5b0@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <003201c670b2$8933c9c0$135c14d0@net.telenet.net> Keith, Cone patterns are ready made. Just grab a large traffic cone. Want a larger one? Take two(or more) of the cones and graft them together. To make it solid enough to ram sand against it Take a piece of stove pipe and shoot some of the expanding foam around it. That will stiffen the cone and make it light enough to move easily. To make a core use the same method. Don't make the cone solid, most of them are about 3" walls unless they are the smaller ones. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > Rick > That was me asking you abut the cone. I've been thinking about how > to make the patterns. It will require your higher capacity furnace. > Keith > www.herculesengines.com > > > At 06:24 PM 5/4/2006, you wrote: > >Looking at the page in your link I personally like the peter wright > >and hay budden designs. Someone else has already asked me about > >making the cones but I cannot remember who. I can also make the > >hardie tools someday. > > > >We have a logo which used to be the William Tod Company's logo. Its > >on our sign in front of the property. > > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/453467954/1453484357033749120aGCDLF > > > >I was thinking of putting that logo with "Tod Engine Works > >Youngstown, Ohio" on one side and the weight and casting date on the other. > > > >Rick > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:10 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > > > > >>Tom has a good pattern you could copy... The picture he linked has a > >>pretty good line-up of different designs. > >> > >>Basically it needs to be stable and have the steel under the areas that > >>you use for working the steel. While the Nimba is an UGLY looking anvil > >>it is a great working piece. Then at the other end of the spectrum are > >>the newer farriers anvils, they don't have enough iron in the heel or > >>horn to be used effectively as a heavy anvil. Then if you toss in the > >>old Japanese designs (simple block shapes) or some of the German or > >>Greek armorers anvils (they had cast in curves and divots to form arm > >>and leg armor) easier, it gets a bit confusing. > >> > >>Personally I like either the Peddinghaus style or the Vaughn/Brooks. The > >>old Mouse Hole anvils are good workers but that short horn means you > >>need to have a few stake anvils to form smaller items (which isn't a bad > >>thing) You might consider making a few accessories as well. Things like > >>forming cones and stakes and hardie tools are getting very hard to find > >>because of all the folks "collecting" them. > >> > >>http://www.blackiron.us/anvil-types.html shows many of the styles. > >> > >>Now for the 100 dollar question, What will you be using for your > >>trademark on the anvil? Maybe a cast in image of the Tod? > >> > >>Steve Williams > >>Near Cooperstown, New York > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" > >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:00 AM > >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > >> > >> > >>>It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need > >>for a > >>>moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now > >>they > >>>will become collectors items. > >>> > >>>The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone > >>have > >>>any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know > >>anything > >>>about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in > >>it. > >>> > >>>Rick Rowlands > >>>Tod Engine Works > >>>Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > >>>and nonferrous castings > >>>249 North Water Avenue > >>>Sharon, PA 16146 > >>>330-728-2799 > >>>Fax 330-759-1524 > >>>www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." > >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:03 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > >>> > >>> > >>> > If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of > >>> > them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. > >>> > > >>> > Steve Williams > >>> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Rowlands" > >>> > >>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM > >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel > >>> > anvils, > >>> >> however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many > >>> > hobbyist > >>> >> blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even > >>if > >>> > it is a > >>> >> beautiful piece? > >>> >> > >>> >> http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ > >>> >> > >>> >> According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and > >>heat > >>> >> treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat > >>> > treater > >>> >> will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could > >>probably > >>> > sell a > >>> >> comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil > >>would > >>> > have > >>> >> the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our > >>> > 1880s > >>> >> Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. > >>> >> > >>> >> I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I > >>can't > >>> > pour > >>> >> these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a > >>> > 300 > >>> >> pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. > >>> >> > >>> >> Rick Rowlands > >>> >> Tod Engine Works > >>> >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > >>> >> and nonferrous castings > >>> >> 249 North Water Avenue > >>> >> Sharon, PA 16146 > >>> >> 330-728-2799 > >>> >> Fax 330-759-1524 > >>> >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve W." > >>> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM > >>> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >>> > generation > >>> >> along. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > >>> >> > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated > >>evenly > >>> > so > >>> >> > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and > >>> > how > >>> >> > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good > >>> > steel > >>> >> > anvil made in the US. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Steve Williams > >>> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" > >>> > >>> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>> > > >>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > >>> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >>> > generation > >>> >> > along. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I > >>get > >>> > the > >>> >> >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Rick > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Steve W." > >>> > >>> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>> > > >>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM > >>> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >>> >> > generation > >>> >> >> along. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor > >>Freight > >>> > and > >>> >> > buy > >>> >> >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have > >>two > >>> > of > >>> >> > them > >>> >> >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the > >>> > face. > >>> >> > I > >>> >> >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" > >>items > >>> > for > >>> >> >> > other folks. > >>> >> >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Steve Williams > >>> >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > >>> >> >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > >>> >> >> > he'd have become a vegan. > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Curt" > >>> > >>> >> >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL > >>> > (Oldengine.org)" > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > >>> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >>> > generation > >>> >> >> > along. > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this > >>is a > >>> >> > show > >>> >> >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the > >>> > blacksmith > >>> >> >> > there. > >>> >> >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > >>> >> > around > >>> >> >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow > >>has > >>> > let > >>> >> >> > him > >>> >> >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong > >>> > interest > >>> >> > in > >>> >> >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. > >>> >> >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may > >>recall > >>> >> > Devin > >>> >> >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now > >>a > >>> >> >> > teenager) > >>> >> >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was > >>missing > >>> > all > >>> >> > the > >>> >> >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand > >>> > alone > >>> >> >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the > >>temporary > >>> >> > hose > >>> >> >> > to > >>> >> >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. > >>> > Missy > >>> >> > and > >>> >> >> > I > >>> >> >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and > >>> > enjoyed > >>> >> > the > >>> >> >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and > >>> > they > >>> >> > are > >>> >> >> > here: > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> > > >>> > >> >> >> > ils.html> > >>> >> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on > >>the > >>> >> >> > lookout > >>> >> >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a > >>little > >>> > area > >>> >> > in > >>> >> >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely > >>> > needs > >>> >> > to > >>> >> >> > be > >>> >> >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot > >>up > >>> > the > >>> >> >> > side > >>> >> >> >> of the house! > >>> >> >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest > >>in > >>> >> > this > >>> >> >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > >>> >> > productive > >>> >> >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all > >>the > >>> >> > other > >>> >> >> >> temptations available to them at this age. > >>> >> >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you > >>> > enjoy > >>> >> >> > them. > >>> >> >> >> Curt & Missy Holland > >>> >> >> >> Gastonia, NC > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >> >> SEL mailing list > >>> >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >> > SEL mailing list > >>> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >> SEL mailing list > >>> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> > SEL mailing list > >>> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> SEL mailing list > >>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > SEL mailing list > >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Fri May 5 19:26:17 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:26:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils References: <4457A9C5.5050307@imc-group.com><001501c66e23$cc155a60$251117d1@net.telenet.net><027f01c66e37$0ee9ae50$bd161941@pengy><007701c66eb9$3baf7f00$931117d1@net.telenet.net><03c401c66ec1$45d50650$bd161941@pengy><013301c66f05$ba22cbc0$b21117d1@net.telenet.net><04cf01c66f69$f03cbf40$bd161941@pengy><009001c66f7c$297e2ac0$c01117d1@net.telenet.net> <004901c66fd1$e95ea5e0$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <003e01c670b4$74dcf620$135c14d0@net.telenet.net> The Peter Wrights are nice anvils. Maybe combine the classic design with a thicker heel like the Vaughan/Brooks and you would have a winner. The thicker heel makes it much easier when using hardie tools and heavy iron. Oh and you could make things much nicer if you cast in some strap anchors on the base. Makes it easier to anchor them on a bench. As for the cast surface that isn't a problem since most used ones have to be reshaped or smoothed out. Just make sure the edges are nice and sharp since every smith seems to want them different anyway. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > Looking at the page in your link I personally like the peter wright and hay > budden designs. Someone else has already asked me about making the cones > but I cannot remember who. I can also make the hardie tools someday. > > We have a logo which used to be the William Tod Company's logo. Its on our > sign in front of the property. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/453467954/1453484357033749120aGCDLF > > I was thinking of putting that logo with "Tod Engine Works Youngstown, Ohio" > on one side and the weight and casting date on the other. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve W." > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:10 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > > > Tom has a good pattern you could copy... The picture he linked has a > > pretty good line-up of different designs. > > > > Basically it needs to be stable and have the steel under the areas that > > you use for working the steel. While the Nimba is an UGLY looking anvil > > it is a great working piece. Then at the other end of the spectrum are > > the newer farriers anvils, they don't have enough iron in the heel or > > horn to be used effectively as a heavy anvil. Then if you toss in the > > old Japanese designs (simple block shapes) or some of the German or > > Greek armorers anvils (they had cast in curves and divots to form arm > > and leg armor) easier, it gets a bit confusing. > > > > Personally I like either the Peddinghaus style or the Vaughn/Brooks. The > > old Mouse Hole anvils are good workers but that short horn means you > > need to have a few stake anvils to form smaller items (which isn't a bad > > thing) You might consider making a few accessories as well. Things like > > forming cones and stakes and hardie tools are getting very hard to find > > because of all the folks "collecting" them. > > > > http://www.blackiron.us/anvil-types.html shows many of the styles. > > > > Now for the 100 dollar question, What will you be using for your > > trademark on the anvil? Maybe a cast in image of the Tod? > > > > Steve Williams > > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Rowlands" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > > > > > >> It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need > > for a > >> moderately priced American made anvil. Anyways 100 years from now > > they > >> will become collectors items. > >> > >> The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil. Anyone > > have > >> any thoughts as to what the best design would be? I don't know > > anything > >> about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in > > it. > >> > >> Rick Rowlands > >> Tod Engine Works > >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > >> and nonferrous castings > >> 249 North Water Avenue > >> Sharon, PA 16146 > >> 330-728-2799 > >> Fax 330-759-1524 > >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Steve W." > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:03 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > >> > >> > >> > If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of > >> > them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price. > >> > > >> > Steve Williams > >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" > >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils > >> > > >> > > >> >> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel > >> > anvils, > >> >> however I think his prices are a bit on the high side. How many > >> > hobbyist > >> >> blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even > > if > >> > it is a > >> >> beautiful piece? > >> >> > >> >> http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/ > >> >> > >> >> According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and > > heat > >> >> treated to rockwell 50. I've made 8640 before and a local heat > >> > treater > >> >> will have no problem doing the correct treatment. We could > > probably > >> > sell a > >> >> comparable anvil at a profit for around $500. However the anvil > > would > >> > have > >> >> the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our > >> > 1880s > >> >> Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper. > >> >> > >> >> I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I > > can't > >> > pour > >> >> these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a > >> > 300 > >> >> pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil. > >> >> > >> >> Rick Rowlands > >> >> Tod Engine Works > >> >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > >> >> and nonferrous castings > >> >> 249 North Water Avenue > >> >> Sharon, PA 16146 > >> >> 330-728-2799 > >> >> Fax 330-759-1524 > >> >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Steve W." > >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >> > generation > >> >> along. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon > >> >> > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated > > evenly > >> > so > >> >> > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and > >> > how > >> >> > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good > >> > steel > >> >> > anvil made in the US. > >> >> > > >> >> > Steve Williams > >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" > >> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM > >> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >> > generation > >> >> > along. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I > > get > >> > the > >> >> >> larger furnace installed. Who knows what that russian stuff is. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Rick > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> From: "Steve W." > >> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > > >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >> >> > generation > >> >> >> along. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor > > Freight > >> > and > >> >> > buy > >> >> >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have > > two > >> > of > >> >> > them > >> >> >> > and they work well once you reshape the nose and clean up the > >> > face. > >> >> > I > >> >> >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron" > > items > >> > for > >> >> >> > other folks. > >> >> >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Steve Williams > >> >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > >> >> >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > >> >> >> > he'd have become a vegan. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> > From: "Curt" > >> >> >> > To: "SEL" ; "SEL > >> > (Oldengine.org)" > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM > >> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next > >> > generation > >> >> >> > along. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this > > is a > >> >> > show > >> >> >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the > >> > blacksmith > >> >> >> > there. > >> >> >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung > >> >> > around > >> >> >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow > > has > >> > let > >> >> >> > him > >> >> >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong > >> > interest > >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> this part of the old iron hobby. > >> >> >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may > > recall > >> >> > Devin > >> >> >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now > > a > >> >> >> > teenager) > >> >> >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was > > missing > >> > all > >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand > >> > alone > >> >> >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the > > temporary > >> >> > hose > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening. > >> > Missy > >> >> > and > >> >> >> > I > >> >> >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and > >> > enjoyed > >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and > >> > they > >> >> > are > >> >> >> > here: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> >> > ils.html> > >> >> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on > > the > >> >> >> > lookout > >> >> >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a > > little > >> > area > >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely > >> > needs > >> >> > to > >> >> >> > be > >> >> >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot > > up > >> > the > >> >> >> > side > >> >> >> >> of the house! > >> >> >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest > > in > >> >> > this > >> >> >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something > >> >> > productive > >> >> >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all > > the > >> >> > other > >> >> >> >> temptations available to them at this age. > >> >> >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you > >> > enjoy > >> >> >> > them. > >> >> >> >> Curt & Missy Holland > >> >> >> >> Gastonia, NC > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> > SEL mailing list > >> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > SEL mailing list > >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat May 6 10:19:31 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 10:19:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20060506075113.00be9048@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <067901c67131$3e543500$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Are all hot tube engines constant lamp??? I believe the lamp or flame > itself is the source of ignition??? Is this correct? or are > there various > kinds of hot tube engines? > russell Hi Russell, I can't think of any exceptions, so I'll go out on a limb and say yes, all hot tubes are continuous lamp. Yes, there are various kinds of hot tube engines, but the common denominator is that in all hot tube engines, the fuel and air is mixed on the intake stroke and then compressed into the hot tube for ignition. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat May 6 20:46:54 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 13:46:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer><5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> <5.2.0.9.2.20060502074806.021a0a10@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <005f01c67188$e29dc840$b6d0693a@fred> Hi, We have had a Clutterbuck , Blackstone and our Tangyes gallop away at various times, easiest way to stop a runaway is to just hold open exhaust rocker arm, (no compression, no ignition,engine stops.) Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines > Sorry for the late reply, I'm not as yet familair with how a hot tube > engine works but .... don't they require a constant lamp to run??? I guess > one would just remove the lamp? Blackstone and Austral oil engines can > maintain the hot box/vapouriser temp when running. > Russell > > > > > At 06:29 PM 29/04/2006 +0800, you wrote: >>Interesting subject Russell.......would the same problem arise with a >>three valve engine ? I ask because I have an engine ,make unknown . A lot >>of the essential bits were missing such as the fuel system . As I have >>nothing to copy I have to '' invent'' the system . It is a Hot Tube engine >>with a pecker operating the fuel or vapour valve and the fuel oil supply >>would be constant. One thing that worries me is the fact that the governor >>is belt driven so there will be no leaving the engine unattended! >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" >> >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:28 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines >> >> >>> >>>>One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >>>>the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure >>>>of >>>>the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >>>>off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it >>>>is >>>>heart-stopping. >>> >>>Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with >>>the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of >>>this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even >>>been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my >>>engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot >>>bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It >>>made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first >>>made a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these >>>old girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up >>>and with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went >>>as one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old >>>girl down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had >>>to save the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a >>>friend with me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up >>>big time!) we pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will >>>run out quick enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was >>>to hot to remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold >>>the valve shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a >>>decent hold onto the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was >>>on our side as we managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve >>>started to crush a little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve >>>better and it slowed down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away >>>the stained undies. Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left >>>the engine alone for a little while. I think all this happened about the >>>time on the SEL we were chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 >>>years ago. Well I can smile about it now and talk about my 1000rpm >>>blacky. From all this I guess could come a question for any oil engine >>>gurus as to how would they (if there is an easy way) shut down a hot bulb >>>engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if they ran away like that. >>> >>>Russell >>> >>> >>> >>>Russell Gilbert >>>Sunny Sunraysia >>>russell at ncable.com.au >>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/05/2006 > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun May 7 00:45:59 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 17:45:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New Toy, Blackstone Message-ID: <000801c671aa$491dda30$b6d0693a@fred> Hi, We collected another Toy on Sat. a 6,1/2 HP. Blackstone, One family owned since bought new in 1908 photos at .http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From chesnimnus at juno.com Sun May 7 13:42:44 2006 From: chesnimnus at juno.com (chesnimnus at juno.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:42:44 GMT Subject: [SEL] 2006 Great Western Binder Bee Message-ID: <20060507.134321.12721.299719@webmail37.lax.untd.com> Hello All, I am letting you all know about this year's annual all-IHC event, the Great Western Binder Bee. As always, this is held at the Western Antique Powerland near Salem, Oregon, and is about as close to the Red Power Round-Up as we get on this side of the Rocky Mountains. This show is open to anything and everthing ever made by International Harvester between 1831 and 2006, including all of the related brands like Plano, Case-IH, Cub Cadet, and many others. Last year's most unusual exhibit was an International M-1 garand, and this year we are told that there will be a fellow bringing a restored T-6 orchard-model crawler! And of course there will be lots of Farmalls, Scouts, trucks, and stationary engines. There are games, parades, interesting things to visit in the surrounding area, parts, a trail run, food, and many vendors or parts and services. Onsite camping and RV space is available, and lodging is nearby too. Preregistration is strongly encouraged, especially if you need an RV space. For more information, photos of last year's show, and printable posters and registration information, please visit the link here: http://www.ihsto.org/gwbb_2006.htm We hope to see you there! -Colin Rush From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun May 7 09:32:50 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 12:32:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toy, Blackstone References: <000801c671aa$491dda30$b6d0693a@fred> Message-ID: <000e01c671f3$e2f0a090$536b4b47@mikecomp> What a nice piece of machinery and a great collection. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 3:45 AM Subject: [SEL] New Toy, Blackstone Hi, We collected another Toy on Sat. a 6,1/2 HP. Blackstone, One family owned since bought new in 1908 photos at .http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun May 7 15:36:09 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:36:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3 HP Status Message-ID: <3ea.1b7980e.318fd059@aol.com> Hi List, Well, it happened today. The IHC M came to life after being dead and stuck for many unknown years. You guys are correct. A running M is something to hear. Not everything worked as originally planned. I tried using a barbeque ignitor with an adapter. However, this modified barbeque ignition system wouldn't function properly when the engine was turning. Back to the drawing board for a new design. Since I was interested in getting the engine started quickly, I decided to go with a buzz ignition system. A buzz coil triggering mechanism was built, fitted to the cam, and tested with the buzz coil. I did turn the engine (for about 15 minutes) with an electric motor before applying power to the buzz coil. This action helped get the rings seated. Turning the engine, for this little time, sure helped. You can really feel the compression when turning the flywheel by hand. I originally fabricated the spark plug adapter using dimensions sent to me by other M owner. Needless to say, it didn't fit. I had to machine the outside of the adapter until it would fit the inside of the ignitor hole. I want to thank members of the list that provide me with information. It is great to have people who are willing to share their information and experience. 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Not everything worked as originally planned.  I tried usin= g=20 a barbeque ignitor with an adapter.  However, this modified barbeq= ue=20 ignition system wouldn't function properly when the engine was turning. = ;=20 Back to the drawing board for a new design.  Since I was interested in=20 getting the engine started quickly, I decided to go with a buzz ignition=20 system.  A buzz coil triggering mechanism was built, fitted t= o=20 the cam, and tested with the buzz coil.
I did turn the engine (for about 15 minutes) with an electric m= otor=20 before applying power to the buzz coil.  This action helped get the rin= gs=20 seated.  Turning the engine, for this little time, sure helped.  Y= ou=20 can really feel the compression when turning the flywheel by=20 hand.
I originally fabricated the spark plug adapter using=20 dimensions sent to me by other M owner.  Needless to say, it didn't=20 fit.  I had to machine the outside of the adapter until it would fit th= e=20 inside of the ignitor hole.
I want to thank members of the list that provide me w= ith=20 information.  It is great to have people who are willing to share=20 their information and experience.=20
 
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 From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun May 7 16:06:14 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 19:06:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Shop Equipment for Sale - Los Angeles Area Message-ID: <2de.7095536.318fd766@aol.com> Hi List, Here is a web site for shop equipment being auctioned in the Los Angeles area. _http://www.publicsurplus.com/IANAuction/ca?ianac=cat&catid=601 _ (http://www.publicsurplus.com/IANAuction/ca?ianac=cat&catid=601) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1147043174 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi List,
Here is a web site for shop equipment being auctioned in the Lo= s=20 Angeles area.
 
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Francis=20 Maciel
Santa Maria, CA
 From ben_frazer at hotmail.com Sun May 7 19:47:19 2006 From: ben_frazer at hotmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 10:47:19 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New address Message-ID: Hi all, I have a new email address where I would like all SEL messages to go. I am not sure if I have re subscribe at that address or not, the address is: frazer.ben at gmail.com Please let e know how to go about it. Thanks, Ben _________________________________________________________________ Find just what you are after with the more precise, more powerful new MSN Search. http://search.msn.com.my/ Try it now. From gremaux at midrivers.com Sun May 7 19:52:52 2006 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:52:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New address References: Message-ID: <00fe01c6724a$85620de0$4ed85940@Frank> I am in the same boat.....my new address and the old one ( gremaux at tein.net ) was on three stationary engine lists at one time but not sure what I am on Frank gremaux at midrivers.com Central Montana http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: [SEL] New address > Hi all, > > I have a new email address where I would like all SEL messages to go. I am > not sure if I have re subscribe at that address or not, the address is: > frazer.ben at gmail.com > > Please let e know how to go about it. > > > Thanks, Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find just what you are after with the more precise, more powerful new MSN > Search. http://search.msn.com.my/ Try it now. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frazer.ben at gmail.com Sun May 7 20:53:13 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:53:13 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Thanks Message-ID: <6f6bb9400605072053k7235f2bp1f0c4e4976f4b972@mail.gmail.com> Thanks everyone, all set now. Ben From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon May 8 04:09:54 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 11:09:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris Message-ID: <050820061109.23075.445F2702000E681900005A23219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi All, Need some help with finding info on a Massey Harris, MHBH 47803, 2 1/2hp, 550 RPM that was just picked up. Is there any one with a dating, etc. book???? thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From nick at holden1.net Mon May 8 11:23:42 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:23:42 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] 1st rally this year Message-ID: <445F8C9A.000003.02040@YOUR-447023AE6B> Had a nice weekend at Stotfold Mill steam fair a nice little rally to get things going and they are doing a good job of rebuilding the mill which was burnt to the ground a few years ago this rally is to raise money for the mill Photos on webshots Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon May 8 14:21:08 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo WI Swap Meet Auction results In-Reply-To: <445F8C9A.000003.02040@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <20060508212108.99557.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Had a fun time this past weekend at the Baraboo Swap Meet. Below is a link to the results from the auction. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006BarabooSwap.htm This was a classic auction with one item in particular having resulted in a record price...two people who really wanted the same item!! Enjoy Steve From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 8 17:36:11 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:36:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo WI Swap Meet Auction results In-Reply-To: <20060508212108.99557.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060508212108.99557.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <445FE3FB.3060802@scrtc.com> Steve, I had a friend who was at the auction tell me the driving force for the IH price was that 2 brothers were bidding against each other as it had been a piece of iron from their family's estate (they were the heirs). Is that what you heard? Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Had a fun time this past weekend at the Baraboo Swap Meet. Below is a >link to the results from the auction. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006BarabooSwap.htm > >This was a classic auction with one item in particular having resulted in >a record price...two people who really wanted the same item!! > >Enjoy > >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon May 8 19:18:54 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo WI Swap Meet Auction results In-Reply-To: <445FE3FB.3060802@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060509021854.72177.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tommy It was my understanding that it was a club member vs a previous owner's family member. The club member was the high bidder. There could have been a second relative, but I was on the outside. I could see one bidder, but not the other as they were blocked by the engine in my view. Steve --- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Steve, > I had a friend who was at the auction tell me the driving force for > the IH price was that 2 brothers were bidding against each other as it > had been a piece of iron from their family's estate (they were the > heirs). Is that what you heard? Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >Had a fun time this past weekend at the Baraboo Swap Meet. Below is a > >link to the results from the auction. > > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006BarabooSwap.htm > > > >This was a classic auction with one item in particular having resulted > in > >a record price...two people who really wanted the same item!! > > > >Enjoy > > > >Steve > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue May 9 03:24:21 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 05:24:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris In-Reply-To: <050820061109.23075.445F2702000E681900005A23219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <050820061109.23075.445F2702000E681900005A23219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <44606DD5.1070704@wightman.ca> Hi Curt, A pic would be helpful here because some things are not adding up. The HP and the Serial number , See: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/MasseyRegistry.htm Could be a Worthington Massey. Duncan cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: >Hi All, >Need some help with finding info on a Massey Harris, MHBH 47803, 2 1/2hp, 550 >RPM that was just picked up. Is there any one with a dating, etc. book???? >thankyou in advance, >Curt Andree >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue May 9 03:13:13 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:13:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris Message-ID: <050920061013.11030.44606B390002043300002B16219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Duncan, Thanks for the fast response. Forgot to mention the engine doesn't belong to me, but my a young neighbor kid who is not on the list and whom I helped get started in to the hobby about 10yrs ago. His father passed the specs on to me saturday so Ive not had time to run over to look at the engine yet. Will try to get by soon and take some good pics for you and confirm the numbers,etc. regards, Curt Andree > Hi Curt, > > A pic would be helpful here because some things are not adding up. The > HP and the Serial number , > See: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/MasseyRegistry.htm > Could be a Worthington Massey. > > Duncan > > > cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > >Hi All, > >Need some help with finding info on a Massey Harris, MHBH 47803, 2 1/2hp, 550 > >RPM that was just picked up. Is there any one with a dating, etc. book???? > >thankyou in advance, > >Curt Andree > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 9 12:22:03 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:22:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Air cooled Ronnie "N" Message-ID: <200605092154656.SM01716@new.databak.co.za> Hi All (especially the Aussies - again:-0), I've got another Aussie engine !! 2 actually - Ronnie N air cooled and Moffat Virtue but this mail is about the Ronnie. They were given to me by George Botha of Lister fame and a list member. (Thanks George) The air cooled Ronnie is a Type NHA - Petrol /Kerosene -3 to 4 H.P. - No. 77117. The Ronnie is missing the carb & aircleaner (and manifold if this is seperate) and I'm wondering which one of you Aussies has a spare for sale or can trace one for me. Before going any further let me say that I WANT to pay for it. You guys have helped me so much in the last few months with my Ronnie N/Alfa Laval as well as the Wolseley R that I actually feel guilty. Your generosity has been overwhelming and very much appreciated but I do not want to be seen as a "taker" or "bum" or whatever else it may be called on your side of the world. O.K. !!!!! The Ronnie is in pretty good shape and is loose and should be a pretty easy restoration - then he can join "Reggie" at shows. I've put a page up here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rtac/index.htm I look forward to hearing from you and thank you in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 9 12:47:21 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:47:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Engine Manuals Message-ID: <200605092154500.SM01128@new.databak.co.za> Hi Everyone, I've just finished scanning a manual for the Aussie "Southern Cross Pumper" and will make a pdf as soon as I'm finished my eMail. I will, in due course, put it on may page as a download (about 2.5 Mbyte) but if anyone needs one let me know and I'll move my arse! I've also scanned a number of others which will go up in due course: a) Massey Harris / Cushman Cub b) Bernard W112 c) Bernard W 110 d) Bernard Diesel Type 21 e) a few Ransomes lawn mower manuals f) Some others - too late to remember now. As discussed on the lists a few months ago I will be imprinting them with the wording "Free download from (my website adress) - "Not for resale" etc. to foil the EBay resellers and this is the holdup - it takes time. If any list members want a manual sooner I'll do it up without the imprint in the meanwhile. Note to Paul Evans of Internal Fire - I could do you a special set with your website address if you like - just let me know. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue May 9 13:37:28 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:37:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley Message-ID: I was at an auction about a month ago and bought 3 clutch pulleys. I need some help identifying one of them. The pulley is 16" diameter and about 8" wide. It attaches to the flywheel with 3 bolts. The only marking I have found is on one of the spokes. The marking looks like this Does anyone know who made this clutch? What does it fit? From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue May 9 20:03:23 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 22:03:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509220251.02141f40@herculesengines.com> Andy Hercules used a 3 bolt mounting system. Do you have a picture? Keith At 03:37 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote: >I was at an auction about a month ago and bought 3 clutch >pulleys. I need some help identifying one of them. The pulley is >16" diameter and about 8" wide. It attaches to the flywheel with 3 >bolts. The only marking I have found is on one of the spokes. The >marking looks like this Does anyone know who made this >clutch? What does it fit? > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed May 10 01:02:50 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:02:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509220251.02141f40@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Hi Andy, i would say it might be off a massey harris, just a guess without a picture,Dave in oz >From: Keith Kinney >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Clutch Pulley >Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 22:03:23 -0500 > >Andy >Hercules used a 3 bolt mounting system. Do you have a picture? >Keith > > >At 03:37 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote: >>I was at an auction about a month ago and bought 3 clutch pulleys. I need >>some help identifying one of them. The pulley is 16" diameter and about >>8" wide. It attaches to the flywheel with 3 bolts. The only marking I >>have found is on one of the spokes. The marking looks like this >>Does anyone know who made this clutch? What does it fit? >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Keith Kinney >Evansville, Indiana USA >www.HerculesEngines.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ New year, new job ? there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed May 10 01:13:31 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:13:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Air cooled Ronnie "N" References: <200605092154656.SM01716@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <00b201c67409$a2948d50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Years back, I had one of those and it had the same carb as the water cooled. I aint in a position to lay my hands on one. Sorry I cannot help more. Reg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Air cooled Ronnie "N" > Hi All (especially the Aussies - again:-0), > I've got another Aussie engine !! 2 actually - Ronnie N air cooled > and Moffat Virtue but this mail is about the Ronnie. > They were given to me by George Botha of Lister fame and a list > member. (Thanks George) > The air cooled Ronnie is a Type NHA - Petrol /Kerosene -3 to 4 > H.P. - No. 77117. > > The Ronnie is missing the carb & aircleaner (and manifold if this > is seperate) and I'm wondering which one of you Aussies has a spare for > sale or can trace one for me. > > Before going any further let me say that I WANT to pay for it. You > guys have helped me so much in the last few months with my Ronnie N/Alfa > Laval as well as the Wolseley R that I actually feel guilty. Your > generosity has been overwhelming and very much appreciated but I do not > want to be seen as a "taker" or "bum" or whatever else it may be called on > your side of the world. O.K. !!!!! > > The Ronnie is in pretty good shape and is loose and should be a > pretty easy restoration - then he can join "Reggie" > at shows. > > I've put a page up here: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rtac/index.htm > I look forward to hearing from you and thank you in advance. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Wed May 10 01:49:05 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:49:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Air cooled Ronnie "N" In-Reply-To: <200605092154656.SM01716@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <4sun1b$du2dt7@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au> Jerry,I have recently bought a "N" which I have not seen yet. If it is a "spare parts" engine and the carb is right you are on a winner! Ray Freeman Perth W.Australia -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2006 3:22 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Air cooled Ronnie "N" Hi All (especially the Aussies - again:-0), I've got another Aussie engine !! 2 actually - Ronnie N air cooled and Moffat Virtue but this mail is about the Ronnie. They were given to me by George Botha of Lister fame and a list member. (Thanks George) The air cooled Ronnie is a Type NHA - Petrol /Kerosene -3 to 4 H.P. - No. 77117. The Ronnie is missing the carb & aircleaner (and manifold if this is seperate) and I'm wondering which one of you Aussies has a spare for sale or can trace one for me. Before going any further let me say that I WANT to pay for it. You guys have helped me so much in the last few months with my Ronnie N/Alfa Laval as well as the Wolseley R that I actually feel guilty. Your generosity has been overwhelming and very much appreciated but I do not want to be seen as a "taker" or "bum" or whatever else it may be called on your side of the world. O.K. !!!!! The Ronnie is in pretty good shape and is loose and should be a pretty easy restoration - then he can join "Reggie" at shows. I've put a page up here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rtac/index.htm I look forward to hearing from you and thank you in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 10 06:47:31 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:47:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo WI Swap Meet Auction results In-Reply-To: <20060508212108.99557.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060510134724.VEGT1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> There was certainly two people who wanted that 12hp IHC, and both had deep pockets! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Had a fun time this past weekend at the Baraboo Swap Meet. Below is a link to the results from the auction. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006BarabooSwap.htm This was a classic auction with one item in particular having resulted in a record price...two people who really wanted the same item!! Enjoy Steve From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 10 07:53:10 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:53:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo WI Swap Meet Auction results In-Reply-To: <20060510134724.VEGT1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060510134724.VEGT1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <4461FE56.8070304@scrtc.com> Yes Patrick, and it only takes two to drive the price up (or one and a crafty auctioneer). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >There was certainly two people who wanted that 12hp IHC, and both had deep >pockets! > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed May 10 19:34:02 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:34:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4462A29A.8000303@wightman.ca> Hi Andy, Probably off a Massey Harris engine. And it would have been a big one like this. http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/massey-harris/page506.html Duncan Andy Glines wrote: > I was at an auction about a month ago and bought 3 clutch pulleys. I > need some help identifying one of them. The pulley is 16" diameter > and about 8" wide. It attaches to the flywheel with 3 bolts. The > only marking I have found is on one of the spokes. The marking looks > like this Does anyone know who made this clutch? What does > it fit? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 10 20:18:31 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:18:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: <4461FE56.8070304@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville 4 hp Canadian made gas engine. Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be great. Since it's Canadian made, I'd also like to know more...... :-) Bill Runnells, IA From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu May 11 01:51:23 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:51:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? Message-ID: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save the paint work. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu May 11 03:45:09 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 05:45:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> Hi Bill, Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years ago. http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html Duncan Bill Dickerson wrote: > >I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville 4 hp >Canadian made gas engine. >Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be great. > >Since it's Canadian made, I'd also like to know more...... :-) > > >Bill >Runnells, IA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu May 11 02:42:29 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:42:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? Message-ID: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> Passed on from the UK engine list. See http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6276668512 Give your wallet a tranquilizer before looking at the price! 8^) Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From mrengine at comcast.net Thu May 11 03:12:13 2006 From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:12:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? Message-ID: <051120061012.1023.44630DFD000530BA000003FF22007613940A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> I apply detergent motor oil, gently rub with fingers then rinse with car wash detergent.You just cant be in a hurry It takes many applications.It takes me a few weeks to clean one up but the paint is not harmed. Any time you walk by the engine squirt a little oil on it rub a little then work on something else. Then every couple days rinse it off with mild car wash. Frank -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Brian Watts" > We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint > under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save > the paint work. > Brian & David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03)97266147 > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > Web Site > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1023_1147342333_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I apply detergent motor oil, gently rub with fingers then rinse with car wash detergent.You just cant be in a hurry It takes many applications.It takes me a few weeks to clean one up  but the paint is not harmed. Any time you walk by the engine squirt a little oil on it rub a little then work on something else. Then every couple days rinse it off with mild car wash. Frank
 
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From svsuzanne at copper.net Thu May 11 04:08:21 2006 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:08:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? References: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> Message-ID: <003101c674eb$38e07ad0$2fa40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> If you want to save the paint use a biodegradable product like a green cleaner. The original paint was petroleum based and can be damaged by another petroleum product. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:51 AM Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save the paint work. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 5/9/2006 From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 11 04:44:26 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 04:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4025.165.206.180.19.1147347866.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Duncan - thanks for the tip - I'll forward this to the party asking, and read a bit myself. Always interesting to learn of one I'd never seen before, especially from Canada. Bill > Hi Bill, > > Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years > ago. > > http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html > > Duncan > > > Bill Dickerson wrote: > >> >>I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville 4 >> hp >>Canadian made gas engine. >>Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be great. >> >>Since it's Canadian made, I'd also like to know more...... :-) >> >> >>Bill >>Runnells, IA >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 11 06:55:52 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> Message-ID: Hi Bill, There's also a nice article on the Robertsonville Foundry in GEM. I'll get you the issue / page no. info this evening. Basically, I think at this time in history the Canadians were ripping off the US designs. The Robertsonville is a carbon copy of the Waterloo Boy just as the Plesseville is a carbon copy of the Hercules engine. it's also noteworthy that the towns of Robertsonville and Plesseville are right next to each other. Coincidence? I don't think so! 8-)) BTW, when you pass info along to this gent, would you ask him to share what he finds in return? Info on the Robertsonville company and engines is VERY SCARCE! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 11 May 2006, Duncan Denman wrote: > Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years ago. > http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html > > Bill Dickerson wrote: > > >I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville 4 hp > >Canadian made gas engine. > >Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be great. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 11 07:02:49 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> References: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> Message-ID: G'day Brian, Personally I really like to use kerosene (paraffin?) and a stiff bristle brush to gently clean the accumulated mung off an engine. It's not as fast or aggressive as harsh chemical cleaners or a power wash, but you won't be standing next to the engine crying as you look at all the original paint on the ground or going down the drain either. It also forces you to really LOOK at the engine as you clean it. You'll understand the machine better and are more likely to spot cracks, rapairs, unusual mechanical wear, etc. It's pretty rare to find a nice "barn fresh" engine in good condition. You should really savor the cleaning process. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 11 May 2006, Brian Watts wrote: > We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save the paint work. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 11 07:46:24 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:46:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> Message-ID: Brian, I like to use a 50/50 mix of kerosene and detergent motor oil and soak it as long as possible and then use a soft brush dipped in the same until you get to the original paint, then stop, spray it down with pure kerosene and let it dry. then I use a 50/50 mix of turpentine and boiled linseed oil to preserve the finish. CAUTION, even with this method pinstriping will disappear before your eyes so when you get to an area of striping work around it and then carefully do the striped areas last. Steve >From: "Brian Watts" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? >Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:51:23 +1000 > >We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a >paint under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease >and save the paint work. >Brian & David Watts >Melbourne >Australia >(03)97266147 >briwatt at optusnet.com.au >Web Site >http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Thu May 11 08:11:25 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:11:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> Message-ID: <200605111511.k4BFBVOB062869@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:51 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save the paint work. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've had good luck with a hot air gun. It will melt the grease as if it were candle wax. The top layers can be removed with a putty knife. As you get nearer to the paint, just heat and wipe with soft rags. A messier and slower way is to soak the grease with kerosene or Diesel fuel. I've even used waterless hand cleaner; but, the hand cleaner will soften the top layer of the paint. Usually, this doesn't hurt all that much; but, if you have decals or pin-striping, be careful. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From oiseming at moscow.com Thu May 11 08:21:21 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:21:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <200605111521.k4BFLRvN097165@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:42 AM To: atis Cc: Old Engine Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? Passed on from the UK engine list. See http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6276668512 Give your wallet a tranquilizer before looking at the price! 8^) Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ Thank you for that link, Dave. The price seems breath-taking, but at the current bid it seems like a steal. It will be fun to see what it ultimately sells for. The seller did a great job with the description and pictures. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 11 07:55:54 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> References: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Come on man, that lathe comes with a Goniostat!! 8-)) That is actually one awesome piece of kit. I've marked it to see what it closes for. For someone in that hobby, this has got to be nearly the equivalent of finding the Holy Grail on eBay. Thanks for posting that auction. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 11 May 2006, Dave Croft wrote: > Passed on from the UK engine list. > See http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6276668512 > Give your wallet a tranquilizer before looking at the price! 8^) From andyglines at hotmail.com Thu May 11 10:19:59 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:19:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Clutch Pulley In-Reply-To: <200605111600.k4BG053J012940@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the pics Duncan. Those clutches look a lot like mine. I'll print a couple and compare to my clutch when I get home. Keith, I do not have pics yet. If I don't figure it out soon I'll bring it to SIAM Classic Iron show for identification. > 1. Re: Clutch Pulley (Duncan Denman) >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:34:02 -0500 >From: Duncan Denman >Subject: Re: [SEL] Clutch Pulley >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <4462A29A.8000303 at wightman.ca> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi Andy, > >Probably off a Massey Harris engine. And it would have been a big one >like this. >http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/massey-harris/page506.html > >Duncan > > >Andy Glines wrote: > > > I was at an auction about a month ago and bought 3 clutch pulleys. I > > need some help identifying one of them. The pulley is 16" diameter > > and about 8" wide. It attaches to the flywheel with 3 bolts. The > > only marking I have found is on one of the spokes. The marking looks > > like this Does anyone know who made this clutch? What does > > it fit? From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu May 11 10:25:30 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:25:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? References: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <004f01c6751f$e870cb60$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? > Hi Dave, > Come on man, that lathe comes with a Goniostat!! 8-)) I have just read the replies & he has been told that there is two Goniostats in the tools. > That is actually one awesome piece of kit. I've marked it to see what it > closes for. For someone in that hobby, this has got to be nearly the > equivalent of finding the Holy Grail on eBay. One chap in the replies says that the only reason he isn't bidding is because his wife refuses to let him sell the house. > Thanks for posting that auction. Thank the lord that engines come a bit cheaper! > See ya, Arnie Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 11 10:55:21 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4970.165.206.180.19.1147370121.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I'll be happy to pass along what I find, and thank you for the additional info. I believe they have a 4hp. I'll try to find out more. And as far as "copies", this is the same time period for the Canadian Chapman engine. Well, Stephen Chapman was associated with OWE&PC, which sold Stickney (sp) engines. They wanted their own engines, so Chapman went off and came up with Chapman engines. (I think I got that correct.........) Hmmm, funny how their mounting system and exhaust for the large frame engines looked a lot like Stickney large engines. If I recall, there were other similarities, rarity being among them :-) Quality engines, however. But it shows how copying was being done. Shoot, take the Ural and BMW motorcycles........... lot's of countries and companies do it. Bill > Hi Bill, > > There's also a nice article on the Robertsonville Foundry in GEM. I'll > get you the issue / page no. info this evening. > > Basically, I think at this time in history the Canadians were ripping off > the US designs. The Robertsonville is a carbon copy of the Waterloo Boy > just as the Plesseville is a carbon copy of the Hercules engine. it's > also noteworthy that the towns of Robertsonville and Plesseville are right > next to each other. Coincidence? I don't think so! 8-)) > > BTW, when you pass info along to this gent, would you ask him to share > what he finds in return? Info on the Robertsonville company and engines > is VERY SCARCE! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Thu, 11 May 2006, Duncan Denman wrote: > >> Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years >> ago. >> http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html >> >> Bill Dickerson wrote: >> >> >I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville >> 4 hp >> >Canadian made gas engine. >> >Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be >> great. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 11 10:32:53 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: <004f01c6751f$e870cb60$3ac10b52@no1> References: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> <004f01c6751f$e870cb60$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: Hi Dave, > > Come on man, that lathe comes with a Goniostat!! 8-)) > I have just read the replies & he has been told that there is two Goniostats in the tools. WHOA!! Two?!? Double your bid! > One chap in the replies says that the only reason he isn't bidding is because his wife > refuses to let him sell the house. Someone should remind the gent that they're still making wives but they're not still making Goniostats! > Thank the lord that engines come a bit cheaper! Errrmmm, priced any camstopper engines in similar condition lately? See ya, Arnie From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 11 11:44:14 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] power saw speed In-Reply-To: References: <200605111600.k4BG053J012940@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <1130.165.206.180.19.1147373054.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Aha - you thought I should preface it with OT, eh? Well, it's not quite OT, because it involves engines. I recently picked up a smaller version of the massive drawcut hacksaw I already have. It's the little brother, I think a 12" cut, definitely smaller. It's still got intact the clutch pulley and auto-disengage lever, although it needs some repair and tweeking. It's been converted to electric, but they left the clutch pulley and mechanism all in place. What I'm wondering is this - can I pulley this up to a small engine, like a 1.5 or 2hp and run it at a decent slow speed - has anyone done this? Do I need to do some fancy math? Or was this meant for a lineshaft? And if so, what was the typical lineshaft speed? I think it would be a cool display at a show. Bill Runnells, IA "Windy town" From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu May 11 14:02:33 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:02:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4463A669.3090007@wightman.ca> Ripping off?? Duncan Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Bill, > >There's also a nice article on the Robertsonville Foundry in GEM. I'll >get you the issue / page no. info this evening. > >Basically, I think at this time in history the Canadians were ripping off >the US designs. The Robertsonville is a carbon copy of the Waterloo Boy >just as the Plesseville is a carbon copy of the Hercules engine. it's >also noteworthy that the towns of Robertsonville and Plesseville are right >next to each other. Coincidence? I don't think so! 8-)) > >BTW, when you pass info along to this gent, would you ask him to share >what he finds in return? Info on the Robertsonville company and engines >is VERY SCARCE! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Thu, 11 May 2006, Duncan Denman wrote: > > > >>Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years ago. >>http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html >> >>Bill Dickerson wrote: >> >> >> >>>I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville 4 hp >>>Canadian made gas engine. >>>Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be great. >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu May 11 13:23:21 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:23:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Dramatic change to British Engineerium Auction Message-ID: <003a01c67538$c0b8c230$3ac10b52@no1> (Passed on from the UK model engineers list) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was at the auction (and know Jonathan Minns the owner of the collection and manager of the Engineerium). It was very dramatic. The auction was due to start at 10:30. At 10:20 they announced a 30 min delay due to technical difficulties - we assumed they meant phone lines/internet or somesuch. At about eleven the auctioneer stood up and said he had never had such a dramatic announcement to make. After through-the-night negotiations the entire collection and site had been bought by a local man. Cheers went up and everyone except the vultures beamed from ear-to-ear. I really think three-quarters of those present were very happy not to be able to buy anything. Our local rag has more details: See http://www.theargus.co.uk/the_argus/news/NEWS0.html (Search under: 'Tycoon's ?3 million museum deal by Sara Wallis', if this is no longer the lead story) A very happy ending to a nearly sad story. Anyone who has an interest in this forum should make a point of visiting the Engineerium if they are in the Brighton area. The (fully working) workshop is one of the last with large machines still running and doing real work from overhead line shafts. I am told the Lancashire boilers which supply the beam engine are the oldest continuously working boilers in the world. It's a wonderful place for anyone, but especially for steam people. Cheers Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 11 13:44:07 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: <4463A669.3090007@wightman.ca> References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> <4463A669.3090007@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <1477.165.206.180.19.1147380247.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Duncan I think he really meant to say 'borrowing the best of the U.S design and then improving upon it with Canadian originality'. Bill > Ripping off?? > > Duncan > > > Arnie Fero wrote: > >>Hi Bill, >> >>There's also a nice article on the Robertsonville Foundry in GEM. I'll >>get you the issue / page no. info this evening. >> >>Basically, I think at this time in history the Canadians were ripping off >>the US designs. The Robertsonville is a carbon copy of the Waterloo Boy >>just as the Plesseville is a carbon copy of the Hercules engine. it's >>also noteworthy that the towns of Robertsonville and Plesseville are >> right >>next to each other. Coincidence? I don't think so! 8-)) >> >>BTW, when you pass info along to this gent, would you ask him to share >>what he finds in return? Info on the Robertsonville company and engines >>is VERY SCARCE! >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>On Thu, 11 May 2006, Duncan Denman wrote: >> >> >> >>>Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years >>> ago. >>>http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html >>> >>>Bill Dickerson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville >>>> 4 hp >>>>Canadian made gas engine. >>>>Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be >>>> great. >>>> >>>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 11 13:37:44 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: <1477.165.206.180.19.1147380247.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> <4463A669.3090007@wightman.ca> <1477.165.206.180.19.1147380247.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Errr, ummm, yeah, that's it. 8-)) On Thu, 11 May 2006 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > > Duncan I think he really meant to say 'borrowing the best of the U.S > design and then improving upon it with Canadian originality'. > > > > > > Ripping off?? > > > > Duncan > > > > > > Arnie Fero wrote: > > > >>Basically, I think at this time in history the Canadians were ripping off > >>the US designs. The Robertsonville is a carbon copy of the Waterloo Boy > >>just as the Plesseville is a carbon copy of the Hercules engine. it's > >>also noteworthy that the towns of Robertsonville and Plesseville are > >>right next to each other. Coincidence? I don't think so! 8-)) From oiseming at moscow.com Thu May 11 14:57:14 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:57:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dramatic change to British Engineerium Auction In-Reply-To: <003a01c67538$c0b8c230$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <200605112157.k4BLvNIj004348@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:23 PM To: atis Cc: Old Engine Subject: [SEL] Dramatic change to British Engineerium Auction (Passed on from the UK model engineers list) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- I was at the auction (and know Jonathan Minns the owner of the collection and manager of the Engineerium). Snip http://www.theargus.co.uk/the_argus/news/NEWS0.html A very happy ending to a nearly sad story. Snip ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dramatic, indeed! I know of at least one person here in the US who will be disappointed; but, now I have something to look forward to seeing if I ever get to Merrie Olde England. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu May 11 16:53:18 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:53:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Dramatic change to British Engineerium Auction In-Reply-To: <003a01c67538$c0b8c230$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <016301c67556$152f0c80$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Holy Moly Dave! That's awesome! =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu May 11 17:14:45 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:14:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: References: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: > Come on man, that lathe comes with a Goniostat!! 8-)) That's a device to hold your gonads still, right? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From mullt at att.net Thu May 11 08:19:19 2006 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:19:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? Message-ID: <051120061519.6866.446355F7000A15EB00001AD221612436469B04049A03@att.net> I think many of the commercial engine cleaners like Gunk are mainly kerosene aka coal oil. I can remember using coal oil to clean the engine on my first car, a 56 Chevy. Tom in St. Louis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Arnie Fero > G'day Brian, > > Personally I really like to use kerosene (paraffin?) and a stiff bristle > brush to gently clean the accumulated mung off an engine. It's not > as fast or aggressive as harsh chemical cleaners or a power wash, but you > won't be standing next to the engine crying as you look at all the > original paint on the ground or going down the drain either. > > It also forces you to really LOOK at the engine as you clean it. You'll > understand the machine better and are more likely to spot cracks, rapairs, > unusual mechanical wear, etc. > > It's pretty rare to find a nice "barn fresh" engine in good condition. > You should really savor the cleaning process. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Thu, 11 May 2006, Brian Watts wrote: > > > We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint > under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save > the paint work. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu May 11 19:52:34 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:52:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <051120061519.6866.446355F7000A15EB00001AD221612436469B04049A03@att.net> References: <051120061519.6866.446355F7000A15EB00001AD221612436469B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <571262ff639994f2302ec7b84566d4a2@chartertn.net> It's kerosene with a detergent in it. You can buy the concentrated detergent (Gunk SC) and mix it with your own kerosene. John On May 11, 2006, at 11:19 AM, mullt at att.net wrote: > I think many of the commercial engine cleaners like Gunk are mainly > kerosene aka coal oil. I can remember using coal oil to clean the > engine on my first car, a 56 Chevy. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 11 19:53:37 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:53:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <000c01c674d8$15bd4000$80ebeedc@fred> Message-ID: <20060512025326.RRLW24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Brian, I usually give the engine a good go over with the $2 a can degreaser then hose it off with water. This will remove the some of the initial layer of gunk. I then use a combination of scrapers, brushes and kerosene to remove the caked on stuff. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- We have an engine that has been in a shed for 98 years it still has a paint under the grease and grime ,What can we use to soften the old grease and save the paint work. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From gibsongus at myway.com Thu May 11 22:19:48 2006 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 01:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? Message-ID: <20060512051948.ECD6099E24@mprdmxin.myway.com> John, Kelly uses oven cleaner ,it works good if there greasey good luck-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 05/11, John Culp < johnculp at chartertn.net > wrote: From: John Culp [mailto: johnculp at chartertn.net]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:52:34 -0400Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Cleaner?It's kerosene with a detergent in it. You can buy the concentrated detergent (Gunk SC) and mix it with your own kerosene.JohnOn May 11, 2006, at 11:19 AM, mullt at att.net wrote:> I think many of the commercial engine cleaners like Gunk are mainly > kerosene aka coal oil. I can remember using coal oil to clean the > engine on my first car, a 56 Chevy.John CulpBristol, Tennessee, USA_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu May 11 23:58:14 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:58:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <20060512051948.ECD6099E24@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20060512051948.ECD6099E24@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060511234217.05a03a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Gus... You are right that oven cleaner does a great job on heavy dried out grease but it definitely should NOT be used if you are trying to preserve the original paint under the grease. I'm in the process of cleaning up a 1918 IHC M 1-1/2 hp. that is going to be repainted anyway so I have been using oven cleaner on the heavy stuff and find that it takes paint off better than most of the commercial paint strippers on the market. It has been doing a great job on the grease. You can buy it by the gallon where commercial cleaning supplies are sold much cheaper than the spray cans available in the market. Regards, Larry Evans At 10:19 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: > John, Kelly uses oven cleaner ,it works good if there greasey good > luck-----------------GusWhittier, CA Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri May 12 10:55:18 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:55:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roto-Hoe Message-ID: <021d01c675ed$4def5fb0$3aa4f504@Ed> ----- Original Message ----- From: bigdaddie47 To: Small_Engine_Secrets at yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: [Small_Engine_Secrets] old tiller I have an old tiller I picked up from an older lady who said it was her father's. I cannot find anything about it. I do have pictures of it.The plate on it say Roto-hoe mfg by Roto-Hoe and Sprayer Co. Newbury Ohio USA Model 148H ser 12834 Motor is a LAWSON MFD by The Lawson Co New Holstien Wis USA type RSH-899 NO 5300808 It has a tillitson carb and I believe it may be a 1 hp Motor. also has a belt drive to the tines. Any Help as I am stuck. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Small_Engine_Secrets" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Small_Engine_Secrets-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri May 12 14:30:45 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:30:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <20060512051948.ECD6099E24@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20060512051948.ECD6099E24@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <19bfb56ad77bd5da3ca52fbe0af65f12@chartertn.net> Oven cleaner takes off paint. Been there, done that. John On May 12, 2006, at 1:19 AM, Gus wrote: > John, Kelly uses oven cleaner ,it works good if there greasey good > luck----------------- John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri May 12 19:02:49 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:02:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] eBay Scam Engine Auctions? Message-ID: <1147485769.44653e49c9621@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Sooo, do these eBay auctions look hinky to you or is it just me? 190000394825 7617476447 190000394925 7617875652 110000271435 7617672780 110000271470 7617552431 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri May 12 19:24:22 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 12:24:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] eBay Scam Engine Auctions? In-Reply-To: <1147485769.44653e49c9621@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20060513022409.ZUQB14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> If I were the genuine seller I would be a little annoyed. You would have to be pretty amazingly stupid to fall for this one! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Folks, Sooo, do these eBay auctions look hinky to you or is it just me? 190000394825 7617476447 190000394925 7617875652 110000271435 7617672780 110000271470 7617552431 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri May 12 19:36:38 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] eBay Scam Engine Auctions? In-Reply-To: <1147485769.44653e49c9621@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20060513023638.93467.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Arnie You are correct...The first Column is the scams and the second appear to be the legit auctions. I would love to see that Frostking in China be delivered to the Portland Swap... Steve --- fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Sooo, do these eBay auctions look hinky to you or is it just me? > > 190000394825 7617476447 > 190000394925 7617875652 > 110000271435 7617672780 > 110000271470 7617552431 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri May 12 22:35:16 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:35:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] eBay Scam Engine Auctions? Message-ID: <20060512.223517.1188.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Arnie. I get no such auction for the numbers on the left. What am I doing wrong? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:02:49 -0400 fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > Hi Folks, > > Sooo, do these eBay auctions look hinky to you or is it just me? > > 190000394825 7617476447 > 190000394925 7617875652 > 110000271435 7617672780 > 110000271470 7617552431 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 12 23:07:37 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:07:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] eBay Scam Engine Auctions? In-Reply-To: <20060512.223517.1188.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002901c67653$8a474ed0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Hi Arnie. I get no such auction for the numbers on the left. > What am I doing wrong? Hi Ron, Not all of the numbers on the left worked for me, either. One of them was the EXACT same auction -- pictures, text, etc. -- except the seller and location were in China. Clearly, Arnie is prejudiced against Chinese people. He's usually a much more amiable sort of bloke. I think this hostility stems from a round of golf with some Chinese clients and a gal who could only say "kung chee!" From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat May 13 02:52:04 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:52:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Using gel battries Message-ID: <051320060952.415.4465AC440005CEBC0000019F219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Trying to find out if anyone has used GEL battries successfully on their Delco Light Plants instead of the conventional acid ones. Any and all help would be appreciated. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat May 13 06:36:14 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:36:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] eBay Scam Engine Auctions? In-Reply-To: <20060512.223517.1188.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060512.223517.1188.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <1147527374.4465e0ce5d0ea@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Ron, I'm pretty sure that eBay pulled 'em. See ya, Arnie Quoting rdhaskell at juno.com: > Hi Arnie. I get no such auction for the numbers on the left. What am I > doing wrong? > > Ron Haskell > > On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:02:49 -0400 fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > > > Sooo, do these eBay auctions look hinky to you or is it just me? > > > > 190000394825 7617476447 > > 190000394925 7617875652 > > 110000271435 7617672780 > > 110000271470 7617552431 From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Fri May 12 18:43:19 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:43:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH Message-ID: <01a601c6762e$9d4efb10$4f704047@pengy> My wife had to go to a conference in Columbus Thursday and Friday so I went along. After dropping her off I continued on to Dayton to see an old friend. Several years ago I made acquaintance with a beautiful cross compound corliss generating engine at the Carillon Historical Park in Dayton. The first time I saw her the building was closed so I only got a look through the windows. This time I could go inside and took a bunch of pictures. http://community.webshots.com/album/550317804yrtgeF The engine is a 26" x 54" x 60" horizontal cross compound built in 1902 by the C&G Cooper Co. in Mount Vernon, OH for the National Cash Register Company in Dayton. It drove a 230VAC 800KW alternator providing electrical power for the plant. She is rated at 1200 HP and running at 80 rpm with a 20' flywheel. This is perhaps the most beautiful stationary steam engine in existence in the US and certainly one of the best kept secrets. The engine is well cared for and housed in a heated brick building with a dehumidifier in the flywheel pit. Certainly a first class preservation effort for stationary steam power that has been moved from its original foundations to a new site. Search Carillon Historical Park on the net and plan to make a trip to Dayton to see this wonderful engine. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat May 13 18:35:03 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:35:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH In-Reply-To: <01a601c6762e$9d4efb10$4f704047@pengy> Message-ID: <20060514013503.VDLL25409.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Rick, That is a lovely looking engine. Is all the plating of parts original? The only thing I can fault the engine on is the fact that it does not look like it is operational or if it is they do an excellent job of cleaning it up. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Several years ago I made acquaintance with a beautiful cross compound corliss generating engine at the Carillon Historical Park in Dayton. The first time I saw her the building was closed so I only got a look through the windows. This time I could go inside and took a bunch of pictures. http://community.webshots.com/album/550317804yrtgeF The engine is a 26" x 54" x 60" horizontal cross compound built in 1902 by the C&G Cooper Co. in Mount Vernon, OH for the National Cash Register Company in Dayton. It drove a 230VAC 800KW alternator providing electrical power for the plant. She is rated at 1200 HP and running at 80 rpm with a 20' flywheel. This is perhaps the most beautiful stationary steam engine in existence in the US and certainly one of the best kept secrets. The engine is well cared for and housed in a heated brick building with a dehumidifier in the flywheel pit. Certainly a first class preservation effort for stationary steam power that has been moved from its original foundations to a new site. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sat May 13 21:52:43 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 23:52:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> I've been working to reproduce some original style hot tube chimney's for the Superior Oil Field Engines. For the story and pictures take a look here. http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/chimney.htm Keith Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Sat May 13 22:52:03 2006 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 00:52:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Superior Hot Tube Chimney's In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Hi Keith, These turned out very nice! Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Sat, 13 May 2006, Keith Kinney wrote: > I've been working to reproduce some original style hot tube chimney's > for the Superior Oil Field Engines. For the story and pictures take > a look here. > http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/chimney.htm > Keith > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sat May 13 18:53:22 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 21:53:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH References: <20060514013503.VDLL25409.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <008001c676f9$2ecd5260$4f704047@pengy> Its not operational. The plated parts could have been done prior to its being placed in the museum or it could have been that pretty while in service. At any rate she is a beauty. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH > Hi Rick, > That is a lovely looking engine. Is all the plating of parts > original? The only thing I can fault the engine on is the fact that it > does > not look like it is operational or if it is they do an excellent job of > cleaning it up. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > Several years ago I made acquaintance with a beautiful cross compound > corliss generating engine at the Carillon Historical Park in Dayton. The > first time I saw her the building was closed so I only got a look through > the windows. This time I could go inside and took a bunch of pictures. > > http://community.webshots.com/album/550317804yrtgeF > > The engine is a 26" x 54" x 60" horizontal cross compound built in 1902 by > the C&G Cooper Co. in Mount Vernon, OH for the National Cash Register > Company in Dayton. It drove a 230VAC 800KW alternator providing electrical > power for the plant. She is rated at 1200 HP and running at 80 rpm with a > 20' flywheel. > > This is perhaps the most beautiful stationary steam engine in existence in > the US and certainly one of the best kept secrets. The engine is well > cared > for and housed in a heated brick building with a dehumidifier in the > flywheel pit. Certainly a first class preservation effort for stationary > steam power that has been moved from its original foundations to a new > site. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Sun May 14 07:02:05 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:02:05 -0700 Subject: =?Windows-1252?B?U3BhbS9QaGlzaD4gUmU6IFtTRUxdIFdhbnQ=?= =?Windows-1252?B?IHRvIGJ1eSBhbiBvbGQgbGF0aGU/?= References: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <011f01c6775e$fb951340$6501a8c0@Shop> I don't want to sound stupid, but Yahoo currency converter says that is $47,578.1474. Dave Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? > Passed on from the UK engine list. > See http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6276668512 > Give your wallet a tranquilizer before looking at the price! 8^) > Dave Croft > Warrington From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 14 12:02:44 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:02:44 -0400 Subject: Spam/Phish> Re: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: <011f01c6775e$fb951340$6501a8c0@Shop> References: <000301c674df$394d3cd0$3ac10b52@no1> <011f01c6775e$fb951340$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <44677ED4.3040307@scrtc.com> Yup Dave, that's what 25,100 pounds converts to in US dollars. Thats a pretty expensive lathe! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > I don't want to sound stupid, but Yahoo currency converter says that > is $47,578.1474. > > Dave > > Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? > > >> Passed on from the UK engine list. >> See http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6276668512 >> Give your wallet a tranquilizer before looking at the price! 8^) >> Dave Croft >> Warrington > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 14 12:18:49 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:18:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Looking for info on Robertsonville Canadian engine In-Reply-To: References: <20060511031846.2946F313C28@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> <446315B5.9010400@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <1147634329.44678299a118b@webmail.city-net.com> Bill, The article on the Robertsonville is in the August 1998 issue of GEM, Pages 17-18. Your friend should also look up the following two US patents (935,718 October 5, 1909 and 979,238 December 20, 1910). Both are by Louis W. Witry assigned to the Waterloo Engine Company. He was the Chief Engineer at Waterloo. They describe in detail the mixer that is unique to the Waterloo engines. It was ripped off, errr, copied exactly in the Robertsonville. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Arnie Fero : > Basically, I think at this time in history the Canadians were ripping off > the US designs. The Robertsonville is a carbon copy of the Waterloo Boy > just as the Plesseville is a carbon copy of the Hercules engine. it's > also noteworthy that the towns of Robertsonville and Plesseville are right > next to each other. Coincidence? I don't think so! 8-)) > > On Thu, 11 May 2006, Duncan Denman wrote: > > > Dennis Rouleau has some stuff here. I almost bought a 5 HP a few years > > ago. http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/r-z/page101.html > > > > Bill Dickerson wrote: > > > > >I was contacted by a person looking for information on a Robertsonville > > >4 hp Canadian made gas engine. > > >Specifically literature, but sounds like any info at all would be great. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 14 12:42:17 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:42:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH In-Reply-To: <01a601c6762e$9d4efb10$4f704047@pengy> References: <01a601c6762e$9d4efb10$4f704047@pengy> Message-ID: <1147635737.4467881978abe@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rick, So when do you want the Wrecking Crew on-site to dismantle it and move it to Youngstown? 8-)) Sure does set a high cosmetic standard for the Tod Engine restoration doesn't it? See ya, Arnie Quoting Rick Rowlands : > Several years ago I made acquaintance with a beautiful cross compound corliss > generating engine at the Carillon Historical Park in Dayton. The first time I > saw her the building was closed so I only got a look through the windows. > This time I could go inside and took a bunch of pictures. > http://community.webshots.com/album/550317804yrtgeF From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun May 14 16:06:21 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:06:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <000801c677ab$07be9000$03f930cb@ogborneuah38i3> Keith ........I have had very little to do with Hot Tube engines . I am restoring an engine that I am told is a Hot Tube . When you speak of the ''Chimney '' I assume this is to increase draught from the lamp,am I correct? When we speak of ''Constant Lamp''engines would this depend on the load/temp of the combustion chamber? My engine has a separate combustion chamber rather like the Hornsby Ackroyd style. There is no chimney,just a shroud covering the tube with access for the lamp flame ............I don't know if this engine is constant lamp or not .......any ideas ,thanks? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's > I've been working to reproduce some original style hot tube chimney's for > the Superior Oil Field Engines. For the story and pictures take a look > here. > http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/chimney.htm > Keith > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sun May 14 16:40:04 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 19:40:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH References: <01a601c6762e$9d4efb10$4f704047@pengy> <1147635737.4467881978abe@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <002701c677af$ba2a6300$4f704047@pengy> Rolling mill engines never look that good!!! Thank god, otherwise I would be polishing metal until I'm 90. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooper Corliss Engine in Dayton, OH > Hi Rick, > > So when do you want the Wrecking Crew on-site to dismantle it and move it > to > Youngstown? 8-)) > > Sure does set a high cosmetic standard for the Tod Engine restoration > doesn't > it? > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Rick Rowlands : > >> Several years ago I made acquaintance with a beautiful cross compound >> corliss >> generating engine at the Carillon Historical Park in Dayton. The first >> time I >> saw her the building was closed so I only got a look through the windows. >> This time I could go inside and took a bunch of pictures. >> http://community.webshots.com/album/550317804yrtgeF > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Sun May 14 19:52:11 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:52:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <001401c677ca$90b332c0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Nice work Keith; Thanks for posting the pictures. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney > Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:53 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's > > I've been working to reproduce some original style hot tube chimney's > for the Superior Oil Field Engines. For the story and pictures take > a look here. > http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/chimney.htm > Keith > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk Mon May 15 16:55:06 2006 From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 00:55:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: Spam/Phish> Re: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: <44677ED4.3040307@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060515235506.45762.qmail@web26305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> If it were an engine, it would be a slide-valve otto. Hope that puts it in perspective, pricewise. A.M. --- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Yup Dave, that's what 25,100 pounds converts to in > US dollars. Thats a > pretty expensive lathe! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > I don't want to sound stupid, but Yahoo currency > converter says that > > is $47,578.1474. > > > > Dave > > > > Subject: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? > > > > > >> Passed on from the UK engine list. > >> See > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6276668512 > >> Give your wallet a tranquilizer before looking at > the price! 8^) > >> Dave Croft > >> Warrington > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 15 17:30:49 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:30:49 -0400 Subject: Spam/Phish> Re: [SEL] Want to buy an old lathe? In-Reply-To: <20060515235506.45762.qmail@web26305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060515235506.45762.qmail@web26305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44691D39.7050302@scrtc.com> Yup, much rather have the slide valve myself. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >If it were an engine, it would be a slide-valve otto. >Hope that puts it in perspective, pricewise. >A.M. > > > > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue May 16 01:24:42 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:24:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <002901c678c2$2fd1b960$de85dccb@oemcomputer> its slow. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From mrengine at comcast.net Tue May 16 03:03:45 2006 From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:03:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <051620061003.6822.4469A380000E35BE00001AA622135753330A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> I think lot's of folks are gone to Portland. Frank -------------- Original message -------------- From: "edd payne" > its slow. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6822_1147773825_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 16 16:16:06 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:16:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Kerry Morris Message-ID: <001601c6795a$0d2abcc0$5efc8790@ogborneuah38i3> Kerry....I have tried to send a pic of a Mc Donald but your server is blocking it ????? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue May 16 20:41:25 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 22:41:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's In-Reply-To: <000801c677ab$07be9000$03f930cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <000801c677ab$07be9000$03f930cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060516223809.02325108@herculesengines.com> I'm no expert on the technology. All I did was make a copy. The chimney surrounds the hot tub and I guess keeps the heat in and protects the flame from wind. Anybody know anything about Peter's engine? Keith At 06:06 PM 5/14/2006, you wrote: >Keith ........I have had very little to do with Hot Tube engines . I am >restoring an engine that I am told is a Hot Tube . When you speak of the >''Chimney '' I assume this is to increase draught from the lamp,am I correct? >When we speak of ''Constant Lamp''engines would this depend on the >load/temp of the combustion chamber? >My engine has a separate combustion chamber rather like the Hornsby >Ackroyd style. There is no chimney,just a shroud covering the tube >with access for the lamp flame ............I don't know if this >engine is constant lamp or not .......any ideas ,thanks? >----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" > >To: ; ; > >Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:52 PM >Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's > > >>I've been working to reproduce some original style hot tube chimney's for >>the Superior Oil Field Engines. For the story and pictures take a look >>here. >>http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/chimney.htm >>Keith >> >>Keith Kinney >>Evansville, Indiana USA >>www.HerculesEngines.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 16 22:24:03 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:24:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com><000801c677ab$07be9000$03f930cb@ogborneuah38i3> <7.0.1.0.2.20060516223809.02325108@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <001b01c67972$1fff8570$a80c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks anyway Keith...........I guess I will just have to keep inventing it as I go along. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's > I'm no expert on the technology. All I did was make a copy. > The chimney surrounds the hot tub and I guess keeps the heat in and > protects the flame from wind. > Anybody know anything about Peter's engine? > Keith > > > At 06:06 PM 5/14/2006, you wrote: >>Keith ........I have had very little to do with Hot Tube engines . I am >>restoring an engine that I am told is a Hot Tube . When you speak of the >>''Chimney '' I assume this is to increase draught from the lamp,am I >>correct? >>When we speak of ''Constant Lamp''engines would this depend on the >>load/temp of the combustion chamber? >>My engine has a separate combustion chamber rather like the Hornsby >>Ackroyd style. There is no chimney,just a shroud covering the tube with >>access for the lamp flame ............I don't know if this engine is >>constant lamp or not .......any ideas ,thanks? >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" >> >>To: ; ; >> >>Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:52 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Superior Hot Tube Chimney's >> >> >>>I've been working to reproduce some original style hot tube chimney's for >>>the Superior Oil Field Engines. For the story and pictures take a look >>>here. >>>http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/chimney.htm >>>Keith >>> >>>Keith Kinney >>>Evansville, Indiana USA >>>www.HerculesEngines.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu May 18 03:39:13 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:39:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Have you seen an engine like this Message-ID: <000d01c67a67$4f0ab600$3ac10b52@no1> A friend in Oz has this hot tube engine. He doesn't know the maker so can anyone identify it for him? The Govenor is very unusual so perhaps that will help. http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/2882438490028520097sVcfqg I tried the UK engine group but got no replies. TIA Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From segray at mlode.com Wed May 17 23:36:58 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:36:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" Message-ID: <446C160A.7060109@mlode.com> Hi All - Anybody out there in iron land ever see literature available for a Wico "F" mag? This little Witte "U" that I recently picked up in a group of engines I acquired, uses the Wico. The mag is located in the hub of the off side flywheel. The engine itself is a runner, just needing the normal slack taken out of all the bearings. Thanks in advance! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri May 19 10:52:27 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:52:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Tidy your shop! Message-ID: <446E05DB.8020309@insulate.co.uk> Hi Folks Just in case anyone is thinking of doing a major clearout of their workshop, here's an idea for what to do with all those odd tools and bits of junk you don't have a place for. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250000111754 Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri May 19 11:41:33 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:41:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] electrolysis Message-ID: I know that electrolysis is a popular method for cleaninig up rustry iron among the ATIS crowd. I have used it a couple of times and I am a big fan. Someone on another list asked about using electrolysis on a small steam boiler. What permanent or chemical effects does electrolysis have on the base metal? Someone on the other list mentioned hydrogen embrittelment? I'm asking here because I know that there is some knowledge of the subject on the SEL. Thanks From peter at loud-n-clear.net Fri May 19 12:32:00 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:32:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] electrolysis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01ba01c67b7a$e76b18e0$8335c53e@doc> I'd have to say that in my experience, there isn't a great deal of chance of hydrogen embrittlement at room temperatures. As far as my understanding goes, hydrogen embrittlement is caused by the presence of dissolved atomic hydrogen in solid iron, and the solubility of atomic hydrogen in solid iron below about 200 degrees Centigrade is virtually negligible. The gas produced during electrolysis is molecular hydrogen (H2) and as such has effectively zero solubility in steel at room temperature. The thinner the section, the less the effect of hydrogen on it, as the time taken for hydrogen to diffuse out of the section falls with the reduction in thickness. I worked in welding inspection for fifteen years, until 1989, and unless there has been a great new body of experience since then, the rule of thumb was to post-heat thick sections (> 1" or 25mm) (or at least to control cooling) for 24 hours per inch of thickness at 200 Centigrade, to allow time for any entrained hydrogen to diffuse out of the material. Under an inch of thickness, there usually wasn't much done other than to throw a blanket over the weld, maybe. If you have a critical component, such as a gun barrel or high pressure vessel or receiver, then maybe there is a need to pay more attention to this, but in my opinion, for thin low-stress items, at low temperature, there isn't a great deal of cause for concern. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Andy Glines > Sent: 19 May 2006 19:42 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] electrolysis > > I know that electrolysis is a popular method for cleaninig up > rustry iron > among the ATIS crowd. I have used it a couple of times and I > am a big fan. > Someone on another list asked about using electrolysis on a > small steam > boiler. What permanent or chemical effects does electrolysis > have on the > base metal? Someone on the other list mentioned hydrogen > embrittelment? > I'm asking here because I know that there is some knowledge > of the subject > on the SEL. Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri May 19 12:31:53 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] electrolysis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3217.165.206.180.19.1148067113.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp See the other links there, too......... Please note there is some debate on the stainless steel part - a couple of folks have said and claim to have proof that there is no risk or danger what-so-ever. Me, I'd rather not die of cancer, I'd rather go in my sleep when I'm 99. And I don't want to kill most other folks either, 'specially my neighbors. If I recall, there is some science posted in the above - maybe even a mention of what you are seeking. Been a while since I updated it and I know I have new info to post on there, but here's what I got. Bill > I know that electrolysis is a popular method for cleaninig up rustry iron > among the ATIS crowd. I have used it a couple of times and I am a big > fan. > Someone on another list asked about using electrolysis on a small steam > boiler. What permanent or chemical effects does electrolysis have on the > base metal? Someone on the other list mentioned hydrogen embrittelment? > I'm asking here because I know that there is some knowledge of the subject > on the SEL. Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri May 19 12:51:08 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:51:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Apologies - Ronnie N air Cooled & Engine Manuals In-Reply-To: <200605101600.k4AG04Hl018154@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060519213015.02e471b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, My phone line has been down for the last 10 days or so (Remember - This is Africa) and I've had severe withdrawal symptoms - have not had any engine list mail in that time - it was terrible - I had to resort to drinking much "Brandy and Coke" to fill the time :-) The night before it went down I posted to the list(s) about my new acquisition (air cooled Ronnie N) as well as some manuals I had scanned. I have just downloaded my mail and see a lot of replies for which I thank you all. Please accept my apologies - I will reply to each one, but please give me a day or two to sift through them (nearly 2 weeks of eMail on the server) it took just over an hour to delete all the spam from the server before I could even download the genuine (engine) mail. There were a number of offers of help and I know what it is like to offer help and not get an answer. I trust that you guys will understand the circumstances - I will get back to you. Thanks again for the responses to my posts - I will reply - possibly off list ! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From oiseming at moscow.com Fri May 19 17:16:38 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:16:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] electrolysis In-Reply-To: <01ba01c67b7a$e76b18e0$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <200605200016.k4K0GmaB078083@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Scales Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 12:32 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] electrolysis I'd have to say that in my experience, there isn't a great deal of chance of hydrogen embrittlement at room temperatures. As far as my understanding goes, hydrogen embrittlement is caused by the presence of dissolved atomic hydrogen in solid iron, and the solubility of atomic hydrogen in solid iron below about 200 degrees Centigrade is virtually negligible. The gas produced during electrolysis is molecular hydrogen (H2) and as such has effectively zero solubility in steel at room temperature. The thinner the section, the less the effect of hydrogen on it, as the time taken for hydrogen to diffuse out of the section falls with the reduction in thickness. I worked in welding inspection for fifteen years, until 1989, and unless there has been a great new body of experience since then, the rule of thumb was to post-heat thick sections (> 1" or 25mm) (or at least to control cooling) for 24 hours per inch of thickness at 200 Centigrade, to allow time for any entrained hydrogen to diffuse out of the material. Under an inch of thickness, there usually wasn't much done other than to throw a blanket over the weld, maybe. If you have a critical component, such as a gun barrel or high pressure vessel or receiver, then maybe there is a need to pay more attention to this, but in my opinion, for thin low-stress items, at low temperature, there isn't a great deal of cause for concern. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Whenever a topic comes up, I don't care how it is resolved, as long as it doesn't lead someone down the wrong path. I don't want to sound argumentive, but please allow me to point out the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_embrittlement It says, "The corrosion mechanism begins with hydrogen atoms diffusing through the metal as an interstitial. Hydrogen embrittlement is a room temperature phenomenon where hydrogen present inside the material makes it brittle. High-strength steels, aluminium, and titanium alloys are most susceptible. "Hydrogen embrittlement can happen during various manufacturing operations or operational use, anywhere where the material comes in contact with atomic or molecular hydrogen. Processes which can lead to this include cathodic protection, phosphating, pickling, and electroplating. A special case is arc welding, in which the hydrogen is released from moisture in the coating of the welding electrodes; to minimize this, special low-hydrogen electrodes are used for welding high-strength steels. Other mechanisms of introduction of hydrogen into metal are galvanic corrosion, chemical reactions of metal with acids, or with other chemicals (notably hydrogen sulfide in sulphide stress cracking, or SCC, a process of importance for the oil and gas industries)." I know nothing about hydrogen embrittlement, except what I read on the Internet. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 20 09:17:21 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 18:17:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Apologies - Ronnie N air Cooled & Engine Manuals Message-ID: <200605201827359.SM01368@new.databak.co.za> Hi All, My phone line has been down for the last 10 days or so (Remember - This is Africa) and I've had severe withdrawal symptoms - have not had any engine list mail in that time - it was terrible - I had to resort to drinking much "Brandy and Coke" to fill the time :-) The night before it went down I posted to the list(s) about my new acquisition (air cooled Ronnie N) as well as some manuals I had scanned. I have just downloaded my mail and see a lot of replies for which I thank you all. Please accept my apologies - I will reply to each one, but please give me a day or two to sift through them (nearly 2 weeks of eMail on the server) it took just over an hour to delete all the spam from the server before I could even download the genuine (engine) mail. There were a number of offers of help and I know what it is like to offer help and not get an answer. I trust that you guys will understand the circumstances - I will get back to you. Thanks again for the responses to my posts - I will reply - possibly off list ! Best regards Jerry Evans. Visit our website: www.databak.co.za --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From shop at cccomm.net Sat May 20 13:02:45 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:02:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" References: <446C160A.7060109@mlode.com> Message-ID: <016f01c67c48$5c781160$6401a8c0@Shop> Are you sure it is an "F"? All my books show is a "FW" which fits inside the flywheel of engines, but don't show a Witte application. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" > Hi All - > > Anybody out there in iron land ever see literature available for a Wico > "F" mag? This little Witte "U" that I recently picked up in a group of > engines I acquired, uses the Wico. The mag is located in the hub of the > off side flywheel. The engine itself is a runner, just needing the normal > slack taken out of all the bearings. Thanks in advance! > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat May 20 17:35:03 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 20:35:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 Message-ID: <1148171703.446fb5b7699df@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Well, it looks like it's a rumor no longer. The BYB Volume 2 is ready to go. Check it out: http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/36903 BOOK FS: BYB Volume 2 (Iowa) Advertised By: Charles Wendel Date: Monday, 15 May 2006, at 9:13 p.m. American Gas Engines Volume 2 is completed! 416 pages of all different engines than Volume 1. The new book is hardcover and matches the original one like we reprinted a year ago. We have no idea how many to get printed, so here's the deal: The book will sell at $60, but we will pay the postage if you send us your prepublication order. That's $60 postpaid in the US. Or, if you need to replace Volume 1, we will give you a special deal of $110 for both Volume 1 and Volume 2, and we'll ship them to you together, postage paid! We hope Volume 2 to be ready the end of June. BYB 1 AND BYB 2 will give you a thousand pages of engines! Cash, check or money order, no PayPal or credit cards or open accounts. C. H. Wendel, The Prairie Press, 4415 F Street, Amana, Iowa 52203 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From segray at mlode.com Sat May 20 21:08:50 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 21:08:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" In-Reply-To: <016f01c67c48$5c781160$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <446C160A.7060109@mlode.com> <016f01c67c48$5c781160$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <446FE7D2.60604@mlode.com> Hi Dave - Yeah, this is a new one to me, it's the only rotary mag I've ever seen from Wico. The Witte it's on is somewhat of an odd ball, for that matter. I should have put these pics up earlier. The armature, nothing more than a section of the laminated core, is pressed onto a bronze sleeve and includes the adjustable cam to operate the points. This assembly is mounted on a steel tube that is part of the stationary mag base plate. Similar to the EK and PR mags, the armature lines up with the laminated core, in this case, with 6 bar magnets at the top behind the name plate. When the flywheel is mounted on the crank, a pin screwed into the flywheel engages a small drive hole in the armature and rotates it in unison with the crankshaft. Different to say the least! Try these: WicoF1 WicoF1A WicoF1B WicoF2 Witte1 Witte2 Witte3 Witte4 - Best regards, Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dave Ernst wrote: > Are you sure it is an "F"? All my books show is a "FW" which fits > inside the flywheel of engines, but don't show a Witte application. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:36 PM > Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat May 20 22:33:06 2006 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:33:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hyliard transport Message-ID: Hi All, hoping someone can shed some light on this transport a friend recently found,He is pretty sure it had an engine on it originally,it is a hyliard? transport made in melbourne,this firm was a big producer of wagons ect,does anyone know what engines were put on these transports,thanks Dave _________________________________________________________________ Search for local singles online @ Lavalife - Click here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D22141&_t=751140432&_r=emailtagline_may_search&_m=EXT From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat May 20 22:49:46 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 22:49:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" Message-ID: <20060520.224946.1360.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Boy is that ever different. Never saw a Witte like that before. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 20 May 2006 21:08:50 -0700 Steve Gray writes: > Hi Dave - > > Yeah, this is a new one to me, it's the only rotary mag I've ever > > seen from Wico. The Witte it's on is somewhat of an odd ball, for > that > matter. I should have put these pics up earlier. The armature, > nothing > more than a section of the laminated core, is pressed onto a bronze > > sleeve and includes the adjustable cam to operate the points. This > assembly is mounted on a steel tube that is part of the stationary > mag > base plate. Similar to the EK and PR mags, the armature lines up > with > the laminated core, in this case, with 6 bar magnets at the top > behind > the name plate. When the flywheel is mounted on the crank, a pin > screwed > into the flywheel engages a small drive hole in the armature and > rotates > it in unison with the crankshaft. Different to say the least! > > Try these: > > WicoF1 > WicoF1A > WicoF1B > WicoF2 > Witte1 > Witte2 > Witte3 > Witte4 > > - Best regards, > > Steve From segray at mlode.com Sat May 20 23:26:18 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 23:26:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" In-Reply-To: <20060520.224946.1360.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060520.224946.1360.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4470080A.7040007@mlode.com> According to the serial number, built in 1932. I've heard of 3 other U's, all on the central coast, but have never seen one at a show. One of those was for sale in Paso Robles last month, but it had a different variation of the mag. Still Wico, I think. -Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >Boy is that ever different. Never saw a Witte like that before. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 21 00:34:42 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 17:34:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Quirindi Pics Message-ID: <20060521073445.QMLJ27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Edd Payne took a few pictures when he attended the Quirindi rally a couple of weeks ago. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/q06.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun May 21 01:02:19 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 18:02:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE-Engine Cleaner Message-ID: <000b01c67cac$e291c160$62f2eedc@fred> Hi, Thanks to all who replied about how to clean our Blackstone,we ended up using dishwasher liquid and our hands,I have put a photo of the first clean on our photo site at http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ thanks for all the advice and information. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun May 21 02:59:39 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 17:59:39 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Hyliard transport References: Message-ID: <000901c67cbd$4a86cfd0$3af731cb@ogborneuah38i3> David ...interesting link ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: [SEL] Hyliard transport > Hi All, hoping someone can shed some light on this transport a friend > recently found,He is pretty sure it had an engine on it originally,it is a > hyliard? transport made in melbourne,this firm was a big producer of > wagons ect,does anyone know what engines were put on these > transports,thanks Dave > > _________________________________________________________________ > Search for local singles online @ Lavalife - Click here > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D22141&_t=751140432&_r=emailtagline_may_search&_m=EXT > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun May 21 03:38:58 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 11:38:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hyliard transport References: Message-ID: <001601c67cc2$c5d491e0$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: [SEL] Hyliard transport > Hi All, hoping someone can shed some light on this transport a friend recently found,He is pretty sure it had an engine on it > originally,it is a hyliard? transport made in melbourne,this firm was a big producer of wagons ect,does anyone know what engines > were put on these transports,thanks Dave > > _________________________________________________________________ > Search for local singles online @ Lavalife - Click here > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D22141&_t=751140432&_r=emailtagline_may_search&_m=EXT Hi Dave, the link you quoted takes me to an Australian dating agency. Is it "Transports of Delight" you are referring to? Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun May 21 04:39:05 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 11:39:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 Message-ID: <052120061139.29878.44705159000B6862000074B6219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Gee Arnie maybe we should contact Wendel and ask him for a group price for everybody on the list.....never know might get a break on price for quantity. Curt > Hi Folks, > > Well, it looks like it's a rumor no longer. The BYB Volume 2 is ready to go. > Check it out: http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/36903 > > BOOK FS: BYB Volume 2 (Iowa) > > Advertised By: Charles Wendel > Date: Monday, 15 May 2006, at 9:13 p.m. > > American Gas Engines Volume 2 is completed! 416 pages of all different engines > than Volume 1. The new book is hardcover and matches the original one like we > reprinted a year ago. We have no idea how many to get printed, so here's the > deal: The book will sell at $60, but we will pay the postage if you send us > your prepublication order. That's $60 postpaid in the US. Or, if you need to > replace Volume 1, we will give you a special deal of $110 for both Volume 1 and > Volume 2, and we'll ship them to you together, postage paid! We hope Volume 2 > to be ready the end of June. BYB 1 AND BYB 2 will give you a thousand pages of > engines! Cash, check or money order, no PayPal or credit cards or open > accounts. C. H. Wendel, The Prairie Press, 4415 F Street, Amana, Iowa 52203 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun May 21 05:29:52 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 05:29:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE-Engine Cleaner In-Reply-To: <000b01c67cac$e291c160$62f2eedc@fred> Message-ID: <000b01c67cd2$445fe730$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Thanks to all who replied about how to clean our > Blackstone,we ended up using dishwasher liquid and our > hands,I have put a photo of the first clean on our photo site > at http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ thanks for all > the advice and information. Hi Brian and David, Every time I visit your web page I end up drooling all over the keyboard; that's a sweet pile of iron you guys have. The finish on your Blackie is incredible! Who would have guessed all that original paint was preserved underneath that coating of dirt? In the picture of the engine while it is still in the enginehouse, there is a tray beneath the air inlet for the fuel mixer. What's the procedure for using that? Rob From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun May 21 05:48:36 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 22:48:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Quirindi Pics References: <20060521073445.QMLJ27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002301c67cd4$e1150540$d784dccb@oemcomputer> Thanks for putting the pics up Patrick.I missed the most important engine there.MY FOOs JR.It was a real good rally with nice engines,tractors and many working displays.They even had a 5" gauge miniature railway in operation.I can recommend it for next year for those interested in going. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 5:34 Subject: [SEL] Quirindi Pics > Edd Payne took a few pictures when he attended the Quirindi rally a couple > of weeks ago. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/q06.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 21 05:55:06 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 22:55:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE-Engine Cleaner In-Reply-To: <000b01c67cd2$445fe730$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <20060521125507.QFWD1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Rob, The tray is the lamp stand twisted out of position. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- In the picture of the engine while it is still in the enginehouse, there is a tray beneath the air inlet for the fuel mixer. What's the procedure for using that? Rob From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 21 05:59:10 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 22:59:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE-Engine Cleaner In-Reply-To: <000b01c67cac$e291c160$62f2eedc@fred> Message-ID: <20060521125910.VYEM27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Nice original paint Brian. A very nice engine to have. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi, Thanks to all who replied about how to clean our Blackstone,we ended up using dishwasher liquid and our hands,I have put a photo of the first clean on our photo site at http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ thanks for all the advice and information. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 From shop at cccomm.net Sun May 21 07:13:45 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 07:13:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" References: <20060520.224946.1360.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <4470080A.7040007@mlode.com> Message-ID: <019401c67ce0$c5cfdb50$6401a8c0@Shop> Sorry, I can't help. All my Wico manuals start in the 1950's. That double pole condenser is not that uncommon. The one I have here has a Wico part number 12X235. Hope that helps. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico "F" > According to the serial number, built in 1932. I've heard of 3 other U's, > all on the central coast, but have never seen one at a show. One of those > was for sale in Paso Robles last month, but it had a different variation > of the mag. Still Wico, I think. > > -Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > >>Boy is that ever different. Never saw a Witte like that before. >> >>Ron Haskell >>rdhaskell at juno.com >>Riverside, California >>USA >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 21 06:44:07 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 09:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" In-Reply-To: <446FE7D2.60604@mlode.com> References: <446C160A.7060109@mlode.com> <016f01c67c48$5c781160$6401a8c0@Shop> <446FE7D2.60604@mlode.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, That's indeed an interesting critter. About what year was that Witte built; I'm guessing 30's? See ya, Arnie On Sat, 20 May 2006, Steve Gray wrote: > Yeah, this is a new one to me, it's the only rotary mag I've ever > seen from Wico. The Witte it's on is somewhat of an odd ball, for that > matter. From nick at holden1.net Sun May 21 07:51:41 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:51:41 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] New engine Message-ID: <44707E7D.000003.02688@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi all Just picked my new engine 1hp R&V Photos on webshots Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun May 21 10:20:25 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 19:20:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" Message-ID: <200605211925187.SM00960@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, Freezing weather here but I managed to start stripping the Wolseley R (1928). So far so good - cylinder barrel and head came off fine. 2 stuck rings and 1 loose - no sign of wear in the cylinder (but still dirty and not had a micrometer to it yet). The loose ring seems to fit fine in the cylinder and can be used again. Big ends and mains seem good. Stripped off the con rod and removed the piston which is now soaking in a bucket of paraffin - hopefully those stuck rings will be loose quite soon (one of them popped out halfway while I was removing the gudgeon pin) so all looks good. I broke 2 bolts on the exhaust side of the hotbox while getting it off and 2 others were rusted so thin that it's a wonder they did not also break of - small thing to just drill the studs out and retap the holes. Looks like an easy restoration. One question - the gear on the maggy is breaking up pretty badly (unuseable again) - was this made from leather? It is "flaking" apart like a really old phenolic gear but I do not think that phenolic was around in 1928. Could it have been made from leather? Whatever it was made from was obviously as a safety feature (as in "shear bolt") to prevent damage to anything else, but why on the magneto which is a free running unit at the end of the "power train" ? I will study it more carefully on Wednesday ( and probably post some pics). I'm off on a trip tomorrow so will probably get back to the engine over the weekend - I will keep you informed. Thanks to all the Aussies who sent me info about this engine - it came in useful today as I referred to the parts manual quite often. Keep well. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun May 21 11:07:09 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:07:09 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 In-Reply-To: <200605211600.k4LG03bs010981@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, If you get a deal on this book I would like to get a few copies here (maybe 3) = I logged on to the site in Arnies post and typed out an email to Wendel but the site refused to send it and I just got error messages. I'm registered with Paypal to send money to anyone in the world who has email (thanks to Arnie and the Ruston Hornsby rescue for the Internal Fire Museum (Paul Evans) but cannot pay direct through PayPal - for some or other reason they do not recognise South Africa !. I'm not overly concerned with getting a discount on the book (although always welcome) but if any of you guys would be prepared to order it for me (posted to South Africa - and maybe 3 or more copies) then I would remit the money to you first and once you have it you could send the books to me - is that fair or not? Best regards Jerry Evans At 06:00 PM 21/05/2006, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 11:39:05 +0000 >From: cgandree at mchsi.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 > >Gee Arnie maybe we should contact Wendel and ask him for a group price for >everybody on the list.....never know might get a break on price for quantity. >Curt > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Well, it looks like it's a rumor no longer. The BYB Volume 2 is ready > to go. > > Check it out: http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/36903 > > > > BOOK FS: BYB Volume 2 (Iowa) > > > > Advertised By: Charles Wendel > > Date: Monday, 15 May 2006, at 9:13 p.m. > > > > American Gas Engines Volume 2 is completed! 416 pages of all different > engines > > than Volume 1. The new book is hardcover and matches the original one > like we > > reprinted a year ago. We have no idea how many to get printed, so > here's the > > deal: The book will sell at $60, but we will pay the postage if you send us > > your prepublication order. That's $60 postpaid in the US. Or, if you > need to > > replace Volume 1, we will give you a special deal of $110 for both > Volume 1 and > > Volume 2, and we'll ship them to you together, postage paid! We hope > Volume 2 > > to be ready the end of June. BYB 1 AND BYB 2 will give you a thousand > pages of > > engines! Cash, check or money order, no PayPal or credit cards or open > > accounts. C. H. Wendel, The Prairie Press, 4415 F Street, Amana, Iowa > 52203 > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com Best regards Jerry Evans. Visit our website: www.databak.co.za --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun May 21 11:42:28 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:42:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wico "F" Message-ID: <428.1be5d42.31a20e94@aol.com> Dave, Thanks for all the help and effort. Francis -------------------------------1148236948 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From oiseming at moscow.com Sun May 21 13:21:29 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 13:21:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" In-Reply-To: <200605211925187.SM00960@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <200605212021.k4LKLeEP005289@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:20 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" Snip One question - the gear on the maggy is breaking up pretty badly (unuseable again) - was this made from leather? It is "flaking" apart like a really old phenolic gear but I do not think that phenolic was around in 1928. Could it have been made from leather? Whatever it was made from was obviously as a safety feature (as in "shear bolt") to prevent damage to anything else, but why on the magneto which is a free running unit at the end of the "power train" ? I will study it more carefully on Wednesday ( and probably post some pics). Snip Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans ~~~~~~~~~ Don't count this as the definitive answer, but I'll mention that Model A Ford timing gears (circa 1928 -1931) were made of "fiber." I cannot say for sure whether it was phenolic-bonded, but I'm fairly certain it was. Phenol gears were probably used to keep noise levels down. I'm sure there are wear advantages, as well. I think it improbable that you have a leather gear. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From jbcast at charter.net Sun May 21 13:29:37 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 13:29:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] poster engine in GEM Message-ID: <824087174.1148243377501.JavaMail.root@fepweb06> Mystic Seaport Museum chose my engine as it's poster engine this year. It's on page 36 of the new GEM. This engine is a Fisherman marine engine, 6hp, 6oolbs, sideshaft, reversible, 4cycle engine. It was actually manufactured by Domestic. The engine was buried in the mud by the flood of 1973, remained there for over 20 years when someone rembered it, dug it up, gave it to a friend and it was passed on to me. All of the steel parts had to be remanufactured, the castings were badly pitted, I filled them in a little to make it respectable. The piston and rod were missing, used a F-M rod, bored the cylinder .125 over to 5 1/8" and made a piston. I had to put seats and guides in the head, welded extensions on auto valves and threaded them. The biggest challenge was making the helical gear for the sideshaft, my first attempt at gearmaking. It's a crowd pleaser, people aren't used to seeing a 4 cycle running either way. I started an article for GEM, but I'm not as fast as Arnie with my reports. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun May 21 15:25:04 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:25:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" References: <200605211925187.SM00960@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <002601c67d25$69786e40$d885dccb@oemcomputer> Hi Jerry.They were made of fibre.I have made many for customers and use iron and it works fine with no noise.I have also used tufnul and it is good also but not sure of it durability but have had no complaints. Only did this when customer stipulated it for appearance sake. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 3:20 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" > Hi Guys, > Freezing weather here but I managed to start stripping the > Wolseley R (1928). > > > So far so good - cylinder barrel and head came off fine. 2 stuck > rings and 1 loose - no sign of wear in the cylinder (but still dirty and > not had a micrometer to it yet). The loose ring seems to fit fine in the > cylinder and can be used again. > Big ends and mains seem good. > Stripped off the con rod and removed the piston which is now > soaking in a bucket of paraffin - hopefully those stuck rings will be loose > quite soon (one of them popped out halfway while I was removing the gudgeon > pin) so all looks good. > I broke 2 bolts on the exhaust side of the hotbox while getting it > off and 2 others were rusted so thin that it's a wonder they did not also > break of - small thing to just drill the studs out and retap the holes. > Looks like an easy restoration. > One question - the gear on the maggy is breaking up pretty badly > (unuseable again) - was this made from leather? It is "flaking" apart like > a really old phenolic gear but I do not think that phenolic was around in > 1928. Could it have been made from leather? Whatever it was made from was > obviously as a safety feature (as in "shear bolt") to prevent damage to > anything else, but why on the magneto which is a free running unit at the > end of the "power train" ? I will study it more carefully on Wednesday ( > and probably post some pics). > > I'm off on a trip tomorrow so will probably get back to the engine > over the weekend - I will keep you informed. > > Thanks to all the Aussies who sent me info about this engine - it > came in useful today as I referred to the parts manual quite often. > > Keep well. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Sun May 21 18:32:18 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 18:32:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" In-Reply-To: <200605212021.k4LKLeEP005289@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <200605220132.k4M1WWdQ095273@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:20 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" Snip One question - the gear on the maggy is breaking up pretty badly (unuseable again) - was this made from leather? It is "flaking" apart like a really old phenolic gear but I do not think that phenolic was around in 1928. Could it have been made from leather? Whatever it was made from was obviously as a safety feature (as in "shear bolt") to prevent damage to anything else, but why on the magneto which is a free running unit at the end of the "power train" ? I will study it more carefully on Wednesday ( and probably post some pics). Snip Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans ~~~~~~~~~ Interestingly, today I came across a passage in Air Commodore F.R. Banks' book, "I Kept No Diary," that mentions the use of composite gears, circa 1914: "In those days, a number of marine engines had exposed timing gears, among them the Brooke engines which had the half speed (camshaft) wheel of compressed and impregnated fabric sandwiched between bronze side pieces. They were quite silent and reliable in operation." Quite off topic, but very interesting is the first half of the paragraph: "It was at this meeting that I saw a large bearded mechanic, who was with one of the French entrants, take a stripped timing wheel, mark out the teeth on a steel disc or blank he had got from Nice and then, filing throughout the night, he formed all the teeth for a new camshaft gear which he fitted to his engine in time for a race the next day." Anyone with a familiarity of machine shop work will say that is a remarkable achievement! Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun May 21 19:34:32 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 19:34:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" References: <200605220132.k4M1WWdQ095273@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <004301c67d48$423ab9a0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Orrin, It could also be why the original gear failed. I don't care how good somebody is with a file, it is just not possible to get a good enough tooth form to have a long life. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net Quite off topic, but very interesting is the first half of the paragraph: "It was at this meeting that I saw a large bearded mechanic, who was with one of the French entrants, take a stripped timing wheel, mark out the teeth on a steel disc or blank he had got from Nice and then, filing throughout the night, he formed all the teeth for a new camshaft gear which he fitted to his engine in time for a race the next day." Anyone with a familiarity of machine shop work will say that is a remarkable achievement! Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun May 21 20:09:27 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:09:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" References: <200605220132.k4M1WWdQ095273@mail-gw.fsr.net> <004301c67d48$423ab9a0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <000f01c67d4d$24099780$8284dccb@oemcomputer> Well.How about all the farm machinery the has unmachined cast gears and some engines also.These last a long time ,some I have seen are 100 years old and still going.Try the gears on most traction engines, steam rollers and many old tractors these are not machined.The Otto langdon engine in the Sydney power house museum has hand cut gears.You can still see the centre pop marks and scriber marks from the marking out after 100 plus years and they are a work of art done by a very skilled tradesman.A local bloke hand cut a gear for a 3hp M IHC mag and it will outlast any of us and runs with no noise. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 12:34 Subject: Re: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" > Hi Orrin, > > It could also be why the original gear failed. I don't care how good > somebody is with a file, it is just not possible to get a good enough tooth > form to have a long life. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA , U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > Quite off topic, but very interesting is the first half of the paragraph: > > "It was at this meeting that I saw a large bearded mechanic, who was with > one of the French entrants, take a stripped timing wheel, mark out the teeth > on a steel disc or blank he had got from Nice and then, filing throughout > the night, he formed all the teeth for a new camshaft gear which he fitted > to his engine in time for a race the next day." > > Anyone with a familiarity of machine shop work will say that is a remarkable > achievement! > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frazer.ben at gmail.com Sun May 21 20:31:26 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:31:26 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" In-Reply-To: <000f01c67d4d$24099780$8284dccb@oemcomputer> References: <200605220132.k4M1WWdQ095273@mail-gw.fsr.net> <004301c67d48$423ab9a0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <000f01c67d4d$24099780$8284dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6f6bb9400605212031p67491034uf86ff5ccf91fd8f4@mail.gmail.com> I agree with you Edd, there is a big difference between what is 'possible' and what is not. I believe it isn't easy to hand cut gears as I have done it with rough blanks for a 6hp IHC Famous water pump which had the incorrect DP on the teeth because I didn't have the correct cutter when I was machining them. Having said this, with perseverance it is definately possible and the 6hp Famous pump works well now. Maybe Jim needs more practice with a file because, with time and care you can produce almost anything to the utmost standard. Ben Frazer, Ballarat Vic Australia, Residing in Kuala Lumpur Malaysia From oiseming at moscow.com Sun May 21 20:51:40 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:51:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" In-Reply-To: <004301c67d48$423ab9a0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <200605220352.k4M3psTa084331@mail-gw.fsr.net> You could very well be right, Jim; but, you've gotta give the guy an "A" for effort! Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim and Diane Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:35 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Wolseley Type "R" Hi Orrin, It could also be why the original gear failed. I don't care how good somebody is with a file, it is just not possible to get a good enough tooth form to have a long life. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net Quite off topic, but very interesting is the first half of the paragraph: "It was at this meeting that I saw a large bearded mechanic, who was with one of the French entrants, take a stripped timing wheel, mark out the teeth on a steel disc or blank he had got from Nice and then, filing throughout the night, he formed all the teeth for a new camshaft gear which he fitted to his engine in time for a race the next day." Anyone with a familiarity of machine shop work will say that is a remarkable achievement! Orrin From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon May 22 01:36:07 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:36:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I am sure there are at least six over here who would be in any deal Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 > Hi All, > If you get a deal on this book I would like to get a few copies > here (maybe 3) = I logged on to the site in Arnies post and typed out an > email to Wendel but the site refused to send it and I just got error > messages. > I'm registered with Paypal to send money to anyone in the world > who has email (thanks to Arnie and the Ruston Hornsby rescue for the > Internal Fire Museum (Paul Evans) but cannot pay direct through PayPal - > for some or other reason they do not recognise South Africa !. > > I'm not overly concerned with getting a discount on the book > (although always welcome) but if any of you guys would be prepared to > order it for me (posted to South Africa - and maybe 3 or more copies) then > I would remit the money to you first and once you have it you could send > the books to me - is that fair or not? > Best regards > Jerry Evans > > At 06:00 PM 21/05/2006, you wrote: >>Message: 12 >>Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 11:39:05 +0000 >>From: cgandree at mchsi.com >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 >> >>Gee Arnie maybe we should contact Wendel and ask him for a group price for >>everybody on the list.....never know might get a break on price for >>quantity. >>Curt >> >> >> > Hi Folks, >> > >> > Well, it looks like it's a rumor no longer. The BYB Volume 2 is ready >> to go. >> > Check it out: http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/36903 >> > >> > BOOK FS: BYB Volume 2 (Iowa) >> > >> > Advertised By: Charles Wendel >> > Date: Monday, 15 May 2006, at 9:13 p.m. >> > >> > American Gas Engines Volume 2 is completed! 416 pages of all different >> engines >> > than Volume 1. The new book is hardcover and matches the original one >> like we >> > reprinted a year ago. We have no idea how many to get printed, so >> here's the >> > deal: The book will sell at $60, but we will pay the postage if you >> > send us >> > your prepublication order. That's $60 postpaid in the US. Or, if you >> need to >> > replace Volume 1, we will give you a special deal of $110 for both >> Volume 1 and >> > Volume 2, and we'll ship them to you together, postage paid! We hope >> Volume 2 >> > to be ready the end of June. BYB 1 AND BYB 2 will give you a thousand >> pages of >> > engines! Cash, check or money order, no PayPal or credit cards or open >> > accounts. C. H. Wendel, The Prairie Press, 4415 F Street, Amana, Iowa >> 52203 >> > >> > See ya, Arnie >> > >> > Arnie Fero >> > Pittsburgh, PA >> > fero_ah at city-net.com > > Best regards > Jerry Evans. > > Visit our website: www.databak.co.za > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon May 22 03:36:07 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:36:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New engine Message-ID: <052220061036.2089.44719417000D7EB300000829219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Nick, That is one nice looking engine. Did you register her with Peter Lowe yet? Curt Andree From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon May 22 05:48:47 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:48:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] A very usefull Engine work site Message-ID: <000b01c67d9e$12af7030$3ac10b52@no1> The post below was to the English Engine list & I found Simon's info & pictures to be very good. He said I can pass it on to the lists so see below. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gents, You may be interested in seeing a few photos showing how I made an oil scraper ring for a 3/1. Start at this photo - http://simon-wass.fotopic.net/p29266221.html and theres 19 more. 1" of 100mm cast iron and about 5 hours later, I have a ring! I need to make a set of 40thou oversize rings and another scraper ring for my 3/1. I have found the previous owner of my 3/1 has fitted a standard set to a 40thou piston, this leaves a gap of 0.140" instead of 12 - 16thou. The bit of iron will only do 3 rings so it'll have to do, putting the 3 correct size ones to the top. regards, Simon http://simon-wass.fotopic.net/c755015.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ He doesn't just cover rings, see the rest of his site. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon May 22 06:33:53 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:33:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> Howdy all, This is not stationary engine related but it's a mechanics tip that saved the day for me on Saturday so I thought I would pass it on so y'all can put it into your bag of tricks. This weekend Lincoln, Roger (my father-in-law) and I set out to replace the harmonic balancer (aka crankshaft pulley) on my Toyota pickup. Well, try as we did we were unable to keep the pulley from turning to break the bolt free that held the pulley on. We tried blocking the tires, holding the break and using the drive train to keep it still, getting pry bars in behind the pullley, etc. etc. and nothing seemed to work. So, we set off to Ace Hardware to get a chain wrench (like the ones that plumbers use) to hopefully be able to hold the pulley in place to break the bolt loose. Ace didn't have one but the helper sent us to another place that might. That place didn't have one either but a genuine shade tree mechanic looking fellow said to solidly brace the wrench up against the frame and then bump the starter to break the bolt free. We crinkled our brows, asked a few more questions and then proceeded on to the local mechanic that they said may be able to help us out. Well, the local mechanic gave us the same advice about using the starter. So with two independent mechanic types giving us the same advice we set off to try it out. With a 6-point half-inch drive socket attached to a break-over wrench in a cheater pipe firmly in place up against the frame, I bumped the starter and in a split second the bolt was loose and we were home free! Life was good, pass the shim stock! See ya', Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 22 07:26:43 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:26:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> Hey Mike, how did you assure you got it equally tight on reassembly? I have to remove the harmonic balancer on the Volvo everytime I change the timing belt and am darned lucky that the impact wrench just fits in the space between the back of the radiator and the balancer! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. SIAM's just around the corner. How's the sawrig coming along? Michael Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > This is not stationary engine related but it's a mechanics tip that > saved the day for me on Saturday so I thought I would pass it on so > y'all can put it into your bag of tricks. This weekend Lincoln, Roger > (my father-in-law) and I set out to replace the harmonic balancer (aka > crankshaft pulley) on my Toyota pickup. Well, try as we did we were > unable to keep the pulley from turning to break the bolt free that > held the pulley on. We tried blocking the tires, holding the break > and using the drive train to keep it still, getting pry bars in behind > the pullley, etc. etc. and nothing seemed to work. So, we set off to > Ace Hardware to get a chain wrench (like the ones that plumbers use) > to hopefully be able to hold the pulley in place to break the bolt > loose. Ace didn't have one but the helper sent us to another place > that might. That place didn't have one either but a genuine shade > tree mechanic looking fellow said to solidly brace the wrench up > against the frame and then bump the starter to break the bolt free. > We crinkled our brows, asked a few more questions and then proceeded > on to the local mechanic that they said may be able to help us out. > Well, the local mechanic gave us the same advice about using the > starter. So with two independent mechanic types giving us the same > advice we set off to try it out. With a 6-point half-inch drive > socket attached to a break-over wrench in a cheater pipe firmly in > place up against the frame, I bumped the starter and in a split second > the bolt was loose and we were home free! Life was good, pass the > shim stock! > > See ya', > Mike > > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky USA > _____________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From shop at cccomm.net Mon May 22 08:09:06 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:09:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> I've been wanting to do this project for some time. I finally got to the point I had no floor space to store more engines and that was hampering my desire in this hobby. So, off to the auction at Wall-Mart. This was a small town then came the box store. A few years later the store wasn't big enuf so now we have a Super Box Store, with the contents of the old one sold at auction. It's interesting at auctions where there are lots of the same thing such as shelving. The bidding starts on say one unit of shelving and ends with "how many do you want at that price?" First pallet rack (2 ends, 6 cross pieces) went for $280. The guy took about 6 of them. Next bid, $280? No, $250? no, $225? yea, some sold. Next, $200? no an so on. I bought 5 for $50 per. Put them up yesterday and now have lots of room. Sorry I didn't do this long ago. If interested there are some pictures here; http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32188514&f= Dave From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon May 22 08:40:48 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:40:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip In-Reply-To: <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522113408.020b0e00@alltel.net> >Hey Mike, how did you assure you got it equally tight on reassembly? As per the mechanic guy, we used Loc-tite on the bolt and Roger stood on the brake and I used the break-over with a cheater and got it as tight as I could (I've got the sore muscles to prove it!). It didn't fly apart on the way to work this morning so hopefully it's tight enough! >P.S. SIAM's just around the corner. How's the sawrig coming along? Is it just me or is that clock ticking faster :-)! I'm not sure that it will be finished enough to saw wood with it but the Famous will at least sit there and chuff away. What are the dates for SIAM anyway? See ya', Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 22 09:02:41 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:02:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522113408.020b0e00@alltel.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522113408.020b0e00@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4471E0A1.4070107@imc-group.com> Michael Tucker wrote: > Is it just me or is that clock ticking faster :-)! I'm not sure that > it will be finished enough to saw wood with it but the Famous will at > least sit there and chuff away. Mike, For Lincoln's show-and-tell your father in law had a source for cedar trees. The left overs lasted us a few years at out local shows but I'm out now. Any chance you can bring some with you so I'll have some to saw on the 8HP saw rig? Unless the SIAM club has a source for cedar.....Glenn, Keith??? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > What are the dates for SIAM anyway? > > See ya', > Mike From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 22 09:10:23 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:10:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long In-Reply-To: <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com> Dave, Nice, clean looking storage there. Envious of your fork lift! Is that a tractor in your shop =-O Curt Dave Ernst wrote: > > If interested there are some pictures here; > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=32188514&f= > From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 22 09:37:26 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:37:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Quirindi Pics/ now inquiry about girder frame engines..... In-Reply-To: <000c01c67cd2$f6d5a210$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <000c01c67cd2$f6d5a210$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <4471E8C6.3090204@imc-group.com> Rob, They were quick to identify the Star engine for you. Star engines were one of the engines I was quite facinated with. We saw a few and here is a picture of one. Don't know if all Star engines are girder frame engines but the ones we saw were. Aside from the huge Hornsby Ackroyd's we saw I believe these are the only girder frame engines I've ever seen. So experts, tell us, besides Hornsby Ackroyds and Star, who else made girder frame engines? Any in the US? Europe? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Rob Skinner wrote: > rally a couple of weeks ago. Take a look at: > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/q06.html >> >> From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon May 22 10:54:49 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:54:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long In-Reply-To: <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4471FAE9.9090009@wightman.ca> That is a very nice tractor in his shop. :-) What are the yellow engines up top? Duncan Curt wrote: > > Is that a tractor in your shop =-O -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From rbackus at ogdenpubs.com Mon May 22 09:59:33 2006 From: rbackus at ogdenpubs.com (Richard Backus) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:59:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 26, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: <200605221600.k4MG04bs001934@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Best method without the special tool is to remove the starter and lock the crank with a pry bar or large screw driver lodged between the teeth on the flywheel/flex plate. Then you can set the bolt to specified torque. Richard > From: > Reply-To: > Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:00:05 -0400 > To: > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 26, Issue 22 > > As per the mechanic guy, we used Loc-tite on the bolt and Roger stood > on the brake and I used the break-over with a cheater and got it as > tight as I could (I've got the sore muscles to prove it!). It didn't > fly apart on the way to work this morning so hopefully it's tight enough! From nick at holden1.net Mon May 22 10:15:03 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:15:03 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] New engine References: <052220061036.2089.44719417000D7EB300000829219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4471F197.000008.00536@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Curt Yes just been doing that with peter thanks And yes I think it looks good glad you like it Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: cgandree at mchsi.com Date: 05/22/06 11:49:58 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New engine Hi Nick, That is one nice looking engine. Did you register her with Peter Lowe yet? Curt Andree _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon May 22 10:59:01 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:59:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip In-Reply-To: <4471E0A1.4070107@imc-group.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522113408.020b0e00@alltel.net> <4471E0A1.4070107@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522135618.020e93f0@alltel.net> >For Lincoln's show-and-tell your father in law had a source for >cedar trees. The left overs lasted us a few years at out local shows >but I'm out now. Any chance you can bring some with you so I'll have >some to saw on the 8HP saw rig? Maybe, I'll check to see if the source is still there. But, someone is going to have to tell me the dates for the SIAM show so we can arrange for delivery! >> What are the dates for SIAM anyway? _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 22 11:18:23 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:18:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long In-Reply-To: <4471FAE9.9090009@wightman.ca> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com> <4471FAE9.9090009@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4472006F.5030305@imc-group.com> Duncan, The yellow leads me to think a Bohon.....I'm curious to know too. Curt Duncan Denman wrote: > That is a very nice tractor in his shop. :-) > What are the yellow engines up top? > > Duncan > > Curt wrote: > >> >> Is that a tractor in your shop =-O > > > > From jbcast at charter.net Mon May 22 15:59:27 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:59:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip Message-ID: <369153248.1148338767532.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> > > As per the mechanic guy, we used Loc-tite on the bolt and Roger stood > on the brake and I used the break-over with a cheater and got it as > tight as I could (I've got the sore muscles to prove it!). It didn't > fly apart on the way to work this morning so hopefully it's tight enough! Harmonic balancers should be torqued to specs, locktite will keep the bolt from unscrewing but does nothing to keep the pulley from waddling out. The key is only for indexing, the bolt and washer captures everything and makes it as one when properly tightened. On a manual trans you can put it in overdrive and hold the brake, on an auto you can put air in the cylinder. J.B.Castagnos From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon May 22 16:06:25 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:06:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem Message-ID: <010601c67df4$5a65c8b0$240110ac@PAUL2> Folks I got a call from my baby sister today telling me that the plastic gas tank on her Sear's riding mower had come apart at the seam in the middle where the upper half is joined to the lower half. There is just a small place where the seam has let go. If she fills the tank past half full then gas runs out the side of the tank and is dangerous. Is there something that I cam recommend that she can get at the local automotive parts store that she can use to seal up the area where the tank has separated? Thanks, Paul From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon May 22 16:22:56 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:22:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New engine In-Reply-To: <44707E7D.000003.02688@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <20060522232254.EPCQ24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Nice engine, though I am a little biased towards R&Vs :) My little 1hp has the hammer style governor rather than the flyball style but the rest of the engine is the same. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rvindex.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all Just picked my new engine 1hp R&V Photos on webshots Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From b2 at chooka.net Mon May 22 17:01:40 2006 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:01:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem In-Reply-To: <010601c67df4$5a65c8b0$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <200605221901963.SM02740@wrbpc> Paul, I'd either get another tank, or see if you can split it the rest of the way apart and then use epoxy to put it back together. There are sealers available, but from what you describe I'd be afraid there would be movement of the parts and the seal wouldn't stay. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 6:06 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem Folks I got a call from my baby sister today telling me that the plastic gas tank on her Sear's riding mower had come apart at the seam in the middle where the upper half is joined to the lower half. There is just a small place where the seam has let go. If she fills the tank past half full then gas runs out the side of the tank and is dangerous. Is there something that I cam recommend that she can get at the local automotive parts store that she can use to seal up the area where the tank has separated? Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon May 22 17:32:17 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:32:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem References: <010601c67df4$5a65c8b0$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <00e501c67e00$58cf2cb0$0100007f@Ed> Hi Paul, What is the Sears mower or engine number. I have a pile of tanks. I would not try to fix it? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem Folks I got a call from my baby sister today telling me that the plastic gas tank on her Sear's riding mower had come apart at the seam in the middle where the upper half is joined to the lower half. There is just a small place where the seam has let go. If she fills the tank past half full then gas runs out the side of the tank and is dangerous. Is there something that I cam recommend that she can get at the local automotive parts store that she can use to seal up the area where the tank has separated? Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon May 22 19:08:58 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:08:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem References: <200605221901963.SM02740@wrbpc> Message-ID: <013101c67e0d$dabc5c90$240110ac@PAUL2> Thanks Bill, my sister said that the upper part snapped to the lower part and there some kind of sealant on the edge of the two halves. Taking it all apartment and using epoxy my be the trick. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > Paul, I'd either get another tank, or see if you can split it the rest of > the way apart and then use epoxy to put it back together. There are > sealers > available, but from what you describe I'd be afraid there would be > movement > of the parts and the seal wouldn't stay. > > B? > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 22 20:23:38 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:23:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay Message-ID: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/7-HP-Witte-Side-Shaft-Hit-N-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7622 224876QQcategoryZ63945QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon May 22 22:39:47 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:39:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay In-Reply-To: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000701c67e2b$4f13d0b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Hi Ron, I'm "skeptical." That's a charm school way of saying the seller is "full of poop." That's a push rod engine that's been modified. Rob From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon May 22 19:15:46 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:15:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem References: <010601c67df4$5a65c8b0$240110ac@PAUL2> <00e501c67e00$58cf2cb0$0100007f@Ed> Message-ID: <014a01c67e0e$cdec3890$240110ac@PAUL2> Wow Ed, is there anything that you don't have, ha, ha. I will call her and get the information and get back to you sometime tomorrow. Thanks for the offer of help. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed stoller" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > Hi Paul, > > What is the Sears mower or engine number. I have a pile of tanks. I would > not try to fix it? > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > > From mholland at rustyiron.com Tue May 23 03:47:04 2006 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip(Now SIAM) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522135618.020e93f0@alltel.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522113408.020b0e00@alltel.net> <4471E0A1.4070107@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522135618.020e93f0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1183.65.6.252.223.1148381224.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> >>> What are the dates for SIAM anyway? > The dates are June 9 - 11. Curt and Devin will be there, but I will be at home in nursing school this year. Who else is planning to go? Missy Gastionia, NC From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Tue May 23 02:01:27 2006 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:01:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Quirindi Pics/ now inquiry about girder frame engines..... References: <000c01c67cd2$f6d5a210$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <4471E8C6.3090204@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001001c67e47$7aabe020$0301a8c0@Young1203> There is also a Cambell and a Petter girder engine. These are both pommie engines with a few examples in collectors hands Australia. Unfortunately none are mine. Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: ; "SEL" Cc: "George Best" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:37 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Quirindi Pics/ now inquiry about girder frame engines..... > Rob, > They were quick to identify the Star engine for you. Star engines were > one of the engines I was quite facinated with. We saw a few and here is > a picture of one. > > > Don't know if all Star engines are girder frame engines but the ones we > saw were. Aside from the huge Hornsby Ackroyd's we saw I believe these > are the only girder frame engines I've ever seen. > > So experts, tell us, besides Hornsby Ackroyds and Star, who else made > girder frame engines? Any in the US? Europe? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Rob Skinner wrote: > > > rally a couple of weeks ago. Take a look at: > > > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/q06.html > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue May 23 06:01:02 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:01:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip(Now SIAM) Message-ID: <302.5d32eb5.31a4618e@aol.com> Hi Missy, I will be there and my OLE Engine Buddy Paul Maples told me he was going this year, I am really looking forward to it, sorry you won't get to be there this year, especially the dinner at the Log Inn. Tell Curt and Devin I will see them there. Thanks, Bill Miller. -------------------------------1148389262 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I will be there and my OLE Engine Buddy Paul Maples told me he was goin= g=20 this year, I am really looking forward to it, sorry you won't get to be ther= e=20 this year, especially the dinner at the Log Inn. Tell Curt and Devin I will=20= see=20 them there.
 
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 From oiseming at moscow.com Tue May 23 07:01:10 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:01:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem In-Reply-To: <013101c67e0d$dabc5c90$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <200605231401.k4NE1NYJ024265@mail-gw.fsr.net> Epoxy might not stick to the type of plastic that the tank is made of. By the time you've experimented and found the right type of adhesive, you'll have more money invested in glue (to say nothing of $3.00/gallon running around finding it) than the cost of a new tank. Just bite the bullet and buy a new tank. My 2? Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem Thanks Bill, my sister said that the upper part snapped to the lower part and there some kind of sealant on the edge of the two halves. Taking it all apartment and using epoxy my be the trick. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > Paul, I'd either get another tank, or see if you can split it the rest of > the way apart and then use epoxy to put it back together. There are > sealers > available, but from what you describe I'd be afraid there would be > movement > of the parts and the seal wouldn't stay. > > B? > From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Tue May 23 07:29:32 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:29:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem References: <200605231401.k4NE1NYJ024265@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <000801c67e75$4f25ab60$82347246@mycomputer> but fixing old things is so much more satisfying, isnt it?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > Epoxy might not stick to the type of plastic that the tank is made of. By > the time you've experimented and found the right type of adhesive, you'll > have more money invested in glue (to say nothing of $3.00/gallon running > around finding it) than the cost of a new tank. Just bite the bullet and > buy a new tank. > > My 2? > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:09 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > > Thanks Bill, my sister said that the upper part snapped to the lower part > and there some kind of sealant on the edge of the two halves. Taking it > all > apartment and using epoxy my be the trick. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brueck" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:01 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > > >> Paul, I'd either get another tank, or see if you can split it the rest of >> the way apart and then use epoxy to put it back together. There are >> sealers >> available, but from what you describe I'd be afraid there would be >> movement >> of the parts and the seal wouldn't stay. >> >> B? >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Tue May 23 08:08:39 2006 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:08:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem In-Reply-To: <000801c67e75$4f25ab60$82347246@mycomputer> Message-ID: <200605231008474.SM02308@wrbpc> Yeah, this shade tree guy has been known to spend days fixing a $10 part, only to eventually give up and buy a new one, usually on eBay. But with all the experience I get along the way, I must be really smart by now! B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Dunlap Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:30 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem but fixing old things is so much more satisfying, isnt it?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > Epoxy might not stick to the type of plastic that the tank is made of. By > the time you've experimented and found the right type of adhesive, you'll > have more money invested in glue (to say nothing of $3.00/gallon running > around finding it) than the cost of a new tank. Just bite the bullet and > buy a new tank. > > My 2? > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:09 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > > Thanks Bill, my sister said that the upper part snapped to the lower part > and there some kind of sealant on the edge of the two halves. Taking it > all > apartment and using epoxy my be the trick. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brueck" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:01 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > > >> Paul, I'd either get another tank, or see if you can split it the rest of >> the way apart and then use epoxy to put it back together. There are >> sealers >> available, but from what you describe I'd be afraid there would be >> movement >> of the parts and the seal wouldn't stay. >> >> B? >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 23 08:21:15 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:21:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem In-Reply-To: <200605231401.k4NE1NYJ024265@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200605231401.k4NE1NYJ024265@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <4473286B.8070707@imc-group.com> Paul, I ditto what Orin says. Also something tells me these tanks are heat welded not glued. If you have a small soldering iron you might be sucessful heat fusing the tank seam back together..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Orrin Iseminger wrote: >Epoxy might not stick to the type of plastic that the tank is made of. By >the time you've experimented and found the right type of adhesive, you'll >have more money invested in glue (to say nothing of $3.00/gallon running >around finding it) than the cost of a new tank. Just bite the bullet and >buy a new tank. > >My 2? > >Orrin > > > From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon May 22 21:39:04 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:39:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay In-Reply-To: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060522213458.02ba6ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Ron, Too bad the pictures aren't a little better so the details could be seen. If the URL wrapped and didn't work here is a shorter one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7622224876 Item number is: 7622224876 Regards, Larry At 08:23 PM 5/22/2006, you wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/7-HP-Witte-Side-Shaft-Hit-N-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7622 >224876QQcategoryZ63945QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 23 08:58:11 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:58:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay Message-ID: <20060523.085812.144.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Rob. It took a couple of seconds to see it is a B with the side shaft added. That fly ball governor looks rather nice on there though. He is dreaming on the price though. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 22 May 2006 22:39:47 -0700 "Rob Skinner" writes: > Hi Ron, > I'm "skeptical." > > That's a charm school way of saying the seller is "full of > poop." That's a push rod engine that's been modified. > > Rob > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue May 23 09:02:55 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:02:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem In-Reply-To: <4473286B.8070707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00e301c67e82$5b3e5de0$8335c53e@doc> You could always try brazing it :-) Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: 23 May 2006 16:21 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > > Paul, > I ditto what Orin says. Also something tells me these tanks are heat > welded not glued. If you have a small soldering iron you might be > sucessful heat fusing the tank seam back together..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Orrin Iseminger wrote: > > >Epoxy might not stick to the type of plastic that the tank > is made of. By > >the time you've experimented and found the right type of > adhesive, you'll > >have more money invested in glue (to say nothing of > $3.00/gallon running > >around finding it) than the cost of a new tank. Just bite > the bullet and > >buy a new tank. > > > >My 2? > > > >Orrin > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 23 09:27:01 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:27:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New web stuff Message-ID: <002701c67e85$b9bd7830$0201a8c0@robscomputer> G'day mates, I've been doing my chores on the web page and one of the updates is from Sunday's fair at the Brentwood Science Magnet School. http://engines.rustyiron.com/school06 The last menu item was included primarily for the benefit Tom French. These boys clearly derived some of their inspiration from Metallica. John and Chuck might appreciate it also. Here in the land of milk and honey, we don't chew or stomp to fiddles, and Beverly and her cat were already booked :-) Rob From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 23 10:11:40 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:11:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem In-Reply-To: <200605231600.k4NG04Lc029713@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200605231919171.SM01788@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 23/05/2006, you wrote: >Message: 10 >Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:06:25 -0500 >From: "Paul Maples" > > the plastic gas tank on her Sear's riding mower had come apart at the > seam in the middle where the upper half is joined to the lower half. > There is just a small place where the seam has let go. If she fills the > tank past half full then gas runs out the side of the tank and is dangerous. >Is there something that I cam recommend that she can get at the local >automotive parts store that she can use to seal up the area where the tank >has separated? >Thanks,Paul Hi Paul, Orrin and others are right - look for another one. Although I do not know the exact specs of your tank, most plastic tanks are made from either polypropelene or High Density Poltethylene and no "off the shelf" adhesive will bond to either (certain epoxies may "stick" to it but not "BOND") and there is probably some vibration on the mower that will soon pull it apart. You mention that it is made in 2 halves and appears to have a sealant on the join. It was probably ultrasonically welded together - not "glued". These tanks can be heat welded together but require special equipment (not a soldering iron) and plastic welding rods made from the identical material that you are going to weld. I have this equipment - from a "previous life" - but it is better to just look for a replacement. Good luck Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 23 09:50:40 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay In-Reply-To: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Thanks for posting that. You don't many of those critters around. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 22 May 2006 rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/7-HP-Witte-Side-Shaft-Hit-N-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7622 > 224876QQcategoryZ63945QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From shop at cccomm.net Tue May 23 10:33:48 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:33:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com><4471FAE9.9090009@wightman.ca> <4472006F.5030305@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <023d01c67e8f$0cb1cd80$6401a8c0@Shop> The tractor is a 1928 Model D. The link below tells it's History. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31672053&f= As far as thos 2 yellow engines, there is a certain person named Jeff A...hole on this list that wrote the word "puke" in a response to this list a year or so ago about them. I decided to have fun with a very common Hercules built Economy engine, and once I got started did a second one. The're both 1915 vintage, Corvette yellow and custom Economy red lettering and pin striped. Dave > Duncan, > The yellow leads me to think a Bohon.....I'm curious to know too. > Curt > > Duncan Denman wrote: > >> That is a very nice tractor in his shop. :-) >> What are the yellow engines up top? >> >> Duncan >> >> Curt wrote: >> >>> >>> Is that a tractor in your shop =-O >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 23 11:00:02 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:00:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay In-Reply-To: <20060523.085812.144.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <003c01c67e92$b88e0d00$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > It took a couple of seconds to see it is a B with the side > shaft added. That fly ball governor looks rather nice > on there though. He is dreaming on the price though. Hi Ron, Do I see a new project in your future? Rob From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 23 11:27:15 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:27:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long In-Reply-To: <023d01c67e8f$0cb1cd80$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com><4471FAE9.9090009@wightman.ca> <4472006F.5030305@imc-group.com> <023d01c67e8f$0cb1cd80$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <44735403.8060806@imc-group.com> Dave, Thoroughly enjoyed looking thru the 44 pictures of the floor up restoration. Excellent documentation! What I'm really impressed with is that you got a project of this size done in a year. I've been working on a single engine a year and haven't even started on reassembly yet. Some of you guys amaze me! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. The yellow Bohon I referenced is one of the sharpest paint jobs I've ever seen on an engine. It comes to the SIAM show every year along with an entire trailer of slicked engines. I found a picture of it in the 2002 SIAM photos. Dave Ernst wrote: > > The tractor is a 1928 Model D. The link below tells it's History. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31672053&f= > > As far as thos 2 yellow engines, there is a certain person named Jeff > A...hole on this list that wrote the word "puke" in a response to this > list a year or so ago about them. I decided to have fun with a very > common Hercules built Economy engine, and once I got started did a > second one. The're both 1915 vintage, Corvette yellow and custom > Economy red lettering and pin striped. > > Dave > From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 23 11:27:40 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:27:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wally-World & Engine Racks--Long In-Reply-To: <023d01c67e8f$0cb1cd80$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060521195551.00adda78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011201c67d7a$c718a100$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <020401c67db1$abd5b270$6401a8c0@Shop> <4471E26F.5040209@imc-group.com><4471FAE9.9090009@wightman.ca> <4472006F.5030305@imc-group.com> <023d01c67e8f$0cb1cd80$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <4473541C.3090105@imc-group.com> Dave, Thoroughly enjoyed looking thru the 44 pictures of the floor up restoration. Excellent documentation! What I'm really impressed with is that you got a project of this size done in a year. I've been working on a single engine a year and haven't even started on reassembly yet. Some of you guys amaze me! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. The yellow Bohon I referenced is one of the sharpest paint jobs I've ever seen on an engine. It comes to the SIAM show every year along with an entire trailer of slicked engines. I found a picture of it in the 2002 SIAM photos. Dave Ernst wrote: > > The tractor is a 1928 Model D. The link below tells it's History. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31672053&f= > > As far as thos 2 yellow engines, there is a certain person named Jeff > A...hole on this list that wrote the word "puke" in a response to this > list a year or so ago about them. I decided to have fun with a very > common Hercules built Economy engine, and once I got started did a > second one. The're both 1915 vintage, Corvette yellow and custom > Economy red lettering and pin striped. > > Dave > From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue May 23 13:34:35 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:34:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <200605231600.k4NG04LV029713@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: >Mike, >For Lincoln's show-and-tell your father in law had a source for cedar >trees. The left overs lasted us a few years at out local shows but I'm >out now. Any chance you can bring some with you so I'll have some to saw >on the 8HP saw rig? >Unless the SIAM club has a source for cedar.....Glenn, Keith??? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > > > > What are the dates for SIAM anyway? > > > > See ya', > > Mike > You already know that SIAM is June 9, 10, & 11 this year. Check out our web site http://siam-club.hypermart.net/index.html We will feature IH tractors & Engines. Also there is the Flea Market, Toy Show, Car Show, Model A Speedsters, & The Cowboy Mounted Shooters Assoc. We should have a lot of fun with this year's lines up. As for the cedar for the sawrig. I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some cedar logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the cedar logs or any other slabs for that matter. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 23 14:19:35 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:19:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay Message-ID: <20060523.142100.144.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Tue, 23 May 2006 11:00:02 -0700 "Rob Skinner" writes: > > > It took a couple of seconds to see it is a B with the side > > > shaft added. That fly ball governor looks rather nice > > on there though. He is dreaming on the price though. > > Hi Ron, > Do I see a new project in your future? > > Rob From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Tue May 23 15:31:09 2006 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (Barry Gorman) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:31:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay References: <20060522.202338.936.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <005601c67eb8$96ac3bf0$0100000a@userd6162315ba> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Side shaft Witte??? on Ebay Hi Ron, Thanks for posting that. You don't many of those critters around. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 22 May 2006 rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/7-HP-Witte-Side-Shaft-Hit-N-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7622224876QQcategoryZ63945QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem< From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 23 16:35:21 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:35:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem References: <00e301c67e82$5b3e5de0$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <003f01c67ec1$94879820$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> Why the hell would you try fixing it ...buy a new one ,it shouldn't break you . After all you have to keep that Chinese economy going and it is you sister riding around on the thing ...spilt petrol can cause a nasty accident.better still if you insist on trying to DIY fit a steel one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:02 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem > You could always try brazing it :-) > > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt >> Sent: 23 May 2006 16:21 >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Little O.T. Gas Tank Problem >> >> Paul, >> I ditto what Orin says. Also something tells me these tanks are heat >> welded not glued. If you have a small soldering iron you might be >> sucessful heat fusing the tank seam back together..... >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> >> Orrin Iseminger wrote: >> >> >Epoxy might not stick to the type of plastic that the tank >> is made of. By >> >the time you've experimented and found the right type of >> adhesive, you'll >> >have more money invested in glue (to say nothing of >> $3.00/gallon running >> >around finding it) than the cost of a new tank. Just bite >> the bullet and >> >buy a new tank. >> > >> >My 2? >> > >> >Orrin >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 23 16:40:07 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:40:07 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation Message-ID: <004701c67ec2$3cc386c0$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> I am restoring a engine of unknown make . It has two fly wheels with curved spokes . The fly wheels can be fitted from either side ,i.e. curved spokes leading or trailing . It would seem logical that the spokes should be trailing but is this always the case? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Tue May 23 17:09:08 2006 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <004701c67ec2$3cc386c0$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Peter No it is not always the case. Take Hornsby, their transportable engines were in a different direction to their stationary. Been a thread before, some believe that it is about centrifugal forces etc but did not effect Hornsby's. Another question is why did the majority of British makers use curved and the Majority of US use straight Cannot be that the poms could not cast straight spokes without cracking, I think it was all about "that is the way we did it for steam" and it looks better. Whats you thoughts Kerry Lithgow OZ --- peter ogborne wrote: > I am restoring a engine of unknown make . It has two > fly wheels with curved > spokes . The fly wheels can be fitted from either > side ,i.e. curved spokes > leading or trailing . It would seem logical that the > spokes should be > trailing but is this always the case? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue May 23 17:46:27 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:46:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Very Unusual Engnie References: <20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a401c67ecb$8c1a1be0$5fb6f504@Ed> Reference June issue of Gas Engine Magazine, page 8. The Cavabaugh & Darley has a Bore of 11-1/2 inches and a Stroke of only 5 inches. Usually the Stroke is between 1 and 2 times the Bore. It seems like a very short Stroke or a huge Bore for a 1 HP engine. The flywheel diameter seems a little puney also, only 6-1/8 inches. The engine weighs 250 pounds. I wonder what the RPM would be. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 23 19:16:07 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:16:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <004701c67ec2$3cc386c0$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <008201c67ed8$05e55870$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > I am restoring a engine of unknown make . It has two fly > wheels with curved spokes . Hi Peter, On the majority of curved spoked flywheels, the outer part of the spoke points in the direction of rotation. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 23 19:19:29 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:19:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008301c67ed8$7e2aaec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Another question is why did the majority of British > makers use curved and the Majority of US use straight > Cannot be that the poms could not cast straight spokes > without cracking, I think it was all about "that is > the way we did it for steam" and it looks better. > Whats you thoughts Hi Kerry, If you look at other design features, Yanks were looking to shave pennies off the price. It seems that a straight spoke pattern is not only easier to make, but the resulting flywheel uses less material. Functionally, they are the same, but the British did seem to go a little further in trying to make an aesthetically pleasing product as well as a showcase for their workmanship. Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 23 20:03:19 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:03:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <008201c67ed8$05e55870$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <004701c67ec2$3cc386c0$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> <008201c67ed8$05e55870$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060523230051.0416dda8@mail.alltel.net> At 10:16 PM 5/23/2006, you wrote: > > I am restoring a engine of unknown make . It has two fly > > wheels with curved spokes . > >Hi Peter, >On the majority of curved spoked flywheels, the outer part >of the spoke points in the direction of rotation. > >=-=-=-=-=-= >Rob Skinner If Peter would put one on toward the front and the other one on toward the back he would be sure to be 50% correct--and also draw a lot of attention at shows! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 23 20:17:15 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:17:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <004701c67ec2$3cc386c0$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> <20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060523230550.04448238@mail.alltel.net> >Another question is why did the majority of British >makers use curved and the Majority of US use straight >Cannot be that the poms could not cast straight spokes >without cracking, I think it was all about "that is >the way we did it for steam" and it looks better. >Whats you thoughts >Kerry Hi Kerry, The truth is that the majority of those of us in the USA are "straight" (94%) while the majority of those in the UK are not. (Only 26% of those in the UK are "straight" according to the latest Zogby poll--see: http://zogby.com/ )The DOWN side of this for those of us in the USA is that the 26% of those in the UK own 69% more trapezes than do the 94% of us in the USA. Dave PS, Ask Dolly about that last statistic! From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 23 20:18:40 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:18:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] curved spokes Message-ID: <002d01c67ee0$c49bd980$07cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> I would say also that what stresses there were locked into that curved spoke had more latitude . They do look much better and as there was a lot of beauty in some of those early engines I would say that has a lot to do with it . In my case I will go for the trailing curved spoke option. BTW ,can I send you an image of this engine .....you never know it seems to stop everyone so far ? I've not forgotten that Mc Donald ....next week ! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 24 03:26:55 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 19:56:55 +0930 Subject: [SEL] NZ made Message-ID: <000501c67f1c$9529e340$dac88890@chaos> A couple of kiwi made Anderson engines, http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Automotive-transport/Other/auction-57394156.htm http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Automotive-transport/Other/auction-57787999.htm and a lister http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Other/auction-57191665.htm From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed May 24 04:07:50 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:07:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Guys, without getting really involved in this age old dicussion I think we all should consider the forces involved when the engine is running. In my humble opinion the outer end of curved spokes must head in the direction of the torque, that being away from the cylinder if the engine runs in the normal clockwise direction. If the flywheel runs the opposite way the outer rim will tend to wan't to fold in on itself. Take a look at most pulleys---which way do the curved spokes face in relation to the forces applied to them by the driven machine?. There are many engines out there with staight spokes but the pulleys have curved ones. This is only my opinion for what its worth. Lyndsay in OZ >From: Kerry Morris >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation >Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:09:08 -0700 (PDT) > >G'Day Peter > >No it is not always the case. >Take Hornsby, their transportable engines were in a >different direction to their stationary. >Been a thread before, some believe that it is about >centrifugal forces etc but did not effect Hornsby's. > >Another question is why did the majority of British >makers use curved and the Majority of US use straight >Cannot be that the poms could not cast straight spokes >without cracking, I think it was all about "that is >the way we did it for steam" and it looks better. >Whats you thoughts > >Kerry >Lithgow OZ > >--- peter ogborne wrote: > > > I am restoring a engine of unknown make . It has two > > fly wheels with curved > > spokes . The fly wheels can be fitted from either > > side ,i.e. curved spokes > > leading or trailing . It would seem logical that the > > spokes should be > > trailing but is this always the case? > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed May 24 05:11:19 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:11:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Slightly O.T. repair of gas tank Message-ID: <002901c67f2b$2b543ce0$240110ac@PAUL2> Thanks everyone for the many responses I got on how to repair the gas tank, for the suggestions not to attempt to repair it, and from Ed who has offered to see if he has a spare tank in his gas tank collections. As usual you guys have been great and I appreciate each of you. Paul From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed May 24 08:22:40 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:22:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Telephone Directory Service Message-ID: <444.18e50a1.31a5d440@aol.com> Hi List, Periodically, we have members asking for telephone numbers of individuals or businesses. Here is a free internet service that will help you find a telephone number: <_http://www.free411.com/_ (http://www.free411.com/) > Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1148484160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 24 08:47:25 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:47:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >If the flywheel runs the opposite way the outer > rim will tend to wan't to fold in on itself. Right you are, Lindsay. Renowned engine builder Sheldon Brown, partner of Jeremiah Cochran, studied the issue in great detail. Here is what he wrote in his Famous Flywheel Treatise of 1904: Are your flywheels spoked right, or are they giving you trouble? Many engineers would answer with a rueful "Right!" Spoke Cracking Leads to Flywheel Breakage! Thanks to superior American technology, modern engines are more powerful than ever. At the same time, the trend to lighter flywheels and fewer spokes continues. As a result of the higher stresses and cutting-edge construction, a fundamental design flaw in existing flywheels comes to light. Millions of engines are suffering cracked or broken spokes usually on the left side flywheel, leading to poor fuel economy at best, or getting left behind by your competition, or, in more severe cases, injury or death! Older flywheels were so over-built that they made up for incompetent design by having lots of heavy curved spokes and heavier-than-necessary rims. Even today, most right side flywheels hold up alright, because they still have more spokes than are needed to cope with the usual loads experienced by flywheels...but what about the all-important left flywheel? While the right side spokes tend to hold up alright, the left spokes are often left with insufficient strength. If a left spoke is cracked, there's no way that the engine can run right...you'll suffer catastrophic flywheel breakage due to metal fatigue on the left spokes. Go right now to wherever you left your engine, and check the spoke tension of your right wheel by plinking the spokes with a sledge hammer and listening to the tone. You'll probably find that the right side spokes are at the right tone, but that the left spokes will be less melodious. When you plunk the left spokes you'll notice that the pitch of the plunk is considerably lower than that of the right spokes. Why is this? The Myth of "Bent Spokes" Believe it or not, many of the unscrupulous con-artists that are so common in the engine industry will try to get you to believe that this is a "feature!" Yeah, right! They'll give you some spiel about a mystical property called "curve", which supposedly has something to do with the fact that the belt is on the right side. This is, of course, complete nonsense, since the belt never touches the flywheel, as long as your machinery is aligned just right. History Lesson Part 1. These idiots must have been left back in school when it was time to study history. Everybody knows that in the early days of engines, there was a problem with the left flywheels falling off. This was solved by the Wright brothers, when they invented the system of using a left-hand thread on the left flywheel bolt. Precession You might think that this would not be right, and that the Wright brothers had it backwards, because the friction of the main bearings would tend to turn the right flywheel to the left and the left flywheel to the right. Thus, the right-handed right flywheel should fall right off, while the left handed left flywheel would be left in place...but it doesn't work that way; instead an interaction with the Earth's magnetic field sets up eddy currents right in side the crankshaft, leading to a tendency for the flywheels to tighten themselves, as if by magic. History Lesson Part 2. When Nicolas Otto and Tullio Crossley independently invented the engine, back in the olden times, they used normal right-handed threading for the crankshaft main bearing caps. This worked alright for the left caps, but it was discovered that the right cap would tend to unscrew itself in use, unless the engine was left out in the rain, where rust could help to immobilize the threads. The great British engine inventor Dugald Clerk cured this problem by making the right crankshaft main bearing cap have left-hand threads, so that, even if it starts a little bit loose, it will tighten itself right up. The French were slow to pick up on this improved technique, and many German engines are still made with wrong-way threading, but the rest of the world has picked up on this, and the vast majority of engines now have main bearing caps that are threaded the right way: right threads on the left side, left threads on the right side. The Lessons of History Like many great inventions, bilateral obverse threading seems completely obvious once it has been explained; the solution to the problem of left flywheel breakage is, in fact just a simple matter of using a left-hand threading on the clamps that run to the left side of the flywheel! This completely eliminates the precession effect that tends to loosen left side flywheels in old-fashioned engines that use right-hand threading! Flywheel Building Issues Since I'm a practical mechanic as well as an inventor, I couldn't overlook the confusion that having two different types of bolts could cause. I've come up with an ingenious solution to the problem, however: As an optional accessory item to bilateral obverse thread systems, we are making available special color-coded bolts to help the engine builder keep track of which is which. Since left hand bolts look just like ordinary bolts, we offer special bright red bolts to fit the right-hand threaded spokes still used on the right side of the wheel. This prevents them from becoming confused with the left-hand threaded bolts. What About the Southern Hemisphere? Well, what about it? It is well known that in the Southern hemisphere, the problem of left flywheels loosening up does not occur, but rather it is the right flywheels that loosen up if left to their own devices. Hence, engineers who run engines mainly in the Southern hemisphere should use left hand threads on the right side flywheels, not the left. Honesty compels me to admit that for engineers who live and run engines within 50 miles of the Equator, any bolts will offer little functional value. Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the equator. From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed May 24 09:02:36 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:02:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <017601c67f4b$79ccd6a0$8335c53e@doc> Right you are indeed. Date of publication 1st April 1904, perchance? > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Rob Skinner > Sent: 24 May 2006 16:47 > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > > > >If the flywheel runs the opposite way the outer > > rim will tend to wan't to fold in on itself. > > Right you are, Lindsay. Renowned engine builder Sheldon > Brown, partner of Jeremiah Cochran, studied the issue in > great detail. Here is what he wrote in his Famous Flywheel > Treatise of 1904: > Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed May 24 09:11:39 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:11:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation Message-ID: <418.21caf65.31a5dfbb@aol.com> Hi Rob, I think I'll go out to the Maytag Shed and equip my favorite engines each with a compass, so that on overcast days I can align the engine in such a manner as to keep the flywheels tight while running. Were it not for your kindness in sharing this critical information, many lives could have been lost should one of the Maytag flywheels loosen, fall free while turning, and run amok through the crowd. Thank you. Ron In a message dated 5/24/2006 11:53:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the equator. -------------------------------1148487099 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Rob,
I think I'll go out to the Maytag Shed and equip my favorite engines ea= ch with a compass, so that on overcast days I can align the engine in such a= manner as to keep the flywheels tight while running.
 
Were it not for your kindness in sharing this critical information, man= y lives could have been lost should one of the Maytag flywheels loosen, fall= free while turning, and run amok through the crowd.
 
Thank you.
Ron
 
 
In a message dated 5/24/2006 11:53:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rskinne= r at rustyiron.com writes:
Engineers who regularly travel back and forth=20= between the
Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised toswap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the
equator.<= /BLOCKQUOTE>
From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 24 06:27:22 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 23:27:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics Message-ID: <20060524132716.LYYD27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Some pics from Cambelltown Steam Museum on the weekend. I took the YC Stover out on Sunday and it ran as sweet as ever, until it ran out of fuel. Throttlers sound nice but they go through a lot more fuel than the hit and miss engines! http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 24 11:36:01 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:36:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <418.21caf65.31a5dfbb@aol.com> References: <418.21caf65.31a5dfbb@aol.com> Message-ID: <4474A791.8020200@imc-group.com> Hey Ron, where is your sense of excitement? I'm certain you recall the stories of "Maytag roulette" that Fred and the shop boys would play during after hours binge drinking at the washer factory. The last job of the day on Fridays in the lathe department was to opposite thread both a crankshaft and flywheel for the evening festivities. The assembly department would tightly affix the flywheel as best they could so as to extent the anticipation as long as possible. After much consumption of corn distillate, a spare kick starter was spun on the floor to decide which of the fellows standing in the circle around the running Maytag would be next to stand in the flywheel path. What ever unlucky sot took eventually took the flywheel in the shins and up the chin was still expect to report for work come Monday, for as we know, Fred was a bastard! Reenactments of these glory daze can still be observed at events like Portland, whereas if you actually see a running Maytag there will certainly be a group of chaps standing around shaking their heads at the smoky beast all wondering if they are the next victim. :-) See ya, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: >Hi Rob, >I think I'll go out to the Maytag Shed and equip my favorite engines each >with a compass, so that on overcast days I can align the engine in such a manner >as to keep the flywheels tight while running. > >Were it not for your kindness in sharing this critical information, many >lives could have been lost should one of the Maytag flywheels loosen, fall free >while turning, and run amok through the crowd. > >Thank you. >Ron > > > > From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed May 24 12:17:16 2006 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:17:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0605241217l2ac88a2alc1a1aea3b9d92b31@mail.gmail.com> On 5/24/06, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > "Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the > Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to > swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the > equator." I think that is for vertical engines only. If you run the head on the left instead of the right, no bolt adjustments would be necessary. I'll look it up in an old engineering book I have that was written by Rube Goldberg in 1906. Paul in San Francisco ------=_Part_1586_13004356.1148498236913 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 5/24/06, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

"Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the
Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to
swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the
equator."


I think that is for vertical engines only. If you run the head on the left instead of the right, no bolt adjustments would be necessary. I'll look it up in an old engineering book I have that was written by Rube Goldberg in 1906.


Paul in San Francisco



From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 24 12:36:14 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:36:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" the spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this information for the safety of the SEL! Steve Royster >From: "Rob Skinner" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:47:25 -0700 > > > >If the flywheel runs the opposite way the outer > > rim will tend to wan't to fold in on itself. > >Right you are, Lindsay. Renowned engine builder Sheldon >Brown, partner of Jeremiah Cochran, studied the issue in >great detail. Here is what he wrote in his Famous Flywheel >Treatise of 1904: > >Are your flywheels spoked right, or are they giving you >trouble? >Many engineers would answer with a rueful "Right!" > >Spoke Cracking Leads to Flywheel Breakage! >Thanks to superior American technology, modern engines are >more powerful than ever. At the same time, the trend to >lighter flywheels and fewer spokes continues. > >As a result of the higher stresses and cutting-edge >construction, a fundamental design flaw in existing >flywheels comes to light. Millions of engines are suffering >cracked or broken spokes usually on the left side flywheel, >leading to poor fuel economy at best, or getting left behind >by your competition, or, in more severe cases, injury or >death! > >Older flywheels were so over-built that they made up for >incompetent design by having lots of heavy curved spokes and >heavier-than-necessary rims. Even today, most right side >flywheels hold up alright, because they still have more >spokes than are needed to cope with the usual loads >experienced by flywheels...but what about the all-important >left flywheel? > >While the right side spokes tend to hold up alright, the >left spokes are often left with insufficient strength. If a >left spoke is cracked, there's no way that the engine can >run right...you'll suffer catastrophic flywheel breakage due >to metal fatigue on the left spokes. > >Go right now to wherever you left your engine, and check the >spoke tension of your right wheel by plinking the spokes >with a sledge hammer and listening to the tone. You'll >probably find that the right side spokes are at the right >tone, but that the left spokes will be less melodious. When >you plunk the left spokes you'll notice that the pitch of >the plunk is considerably lower than that of the right >spokes. Why is this? > >The Myth of "Bent Spokes" >Believe it or not, many of the unscrupulous con-artists that >are so common in the engine industry will try to get you to >believe that this is a "feature!" Yeah, right! > >They'll give you some spiel about a mystical property called >"curve", which supposedly has something to do with the fact >that the belt is on the right side. This is, of course, >complete nonsense, since the belt never touches the >flywheel, as long as your machinery is aligned just right. > >History Lesson Part 1. >These idiots must have been left back in school when it was >time to study history. Everybody knows that in the early >days of engines, there was a problem with the left flywheels >falling off. > >This was solved by the Wright brothers, when they invented >the system of using a left-hand thread on the left flywheel >bolt. > >Precession >You might think that this would not be right, and that the >Wright brothers had it backwards, because the friction of >the main bearings would tend to turn the right flywheel to >the left and the left flywheel to the right. Thus, the >right-handed right flywheel should fall right off, while the >left handed left flywheel would be left in place...but it >doesn't work that way; instead an interaction with the >Earth's magnetic field sets up eddy currents right in side >the crankshaft, leading to a tendency for the flywheels to >tighten themselves, as if by magic. > >History Lesson Part 2. >When Nicolas Otto and Tullio Crossley independently invented >the engine, back in the olden times, they used normal >right-handed threading for the crankshaft main bearing caps. >This worked alright for the left caps, but it was discovered >that the right cap would tend to unscrew itself in use, >unless the engine was left out in the rain, where rust could >help to immobilize the threads. > >The great British engine inventor Dugald Clerk cured this >problem by making the right crankshaft main bearing cap have >left-hand threads, so that, even if it starts a little bit >loose, it will tighten itself right up. > >The French were slow to pick up on this improved technique, >and many German engines are still made with wrong-way >threading, but the rest of the world has picked up on this, >and the vast majority of engines now have main bearing caps >that are threaded the right way: right threads on the left >side, left threads on the right side. > >The Lessons of History >Like many great inventions, bilateral obverse threading >seems completely obvious once it has been explained; the >solution to the problem of left flywheel breakage is, in >fact just a simple matter of using a left-hand threading on >the clamps that run to the left side of the flywheel! > >This completely eliminates the precession effect that tends >to loosen left side flywheels in old-fashioned engines that >use right-hand threading! > >Flywheel Building Issues >Since I'm a practical mechanic as well as an inventor, I >couldn't overlook the confusion that having two different >types of bolts could cause. I've come up with an ingenious >solution to the problem, however: > >As an optional accessory item to bilateral obverse thread >systems, we are making available special color-coded bolts >to help the engine builder keep track of which is which. >Since left hand bolts look just like ordinary bolts, we >offer special bright red bolts to fit the right-hand >threaded spokes still used on the right side of the wheel. >This prevents them from becoming confused with the left-hand >threaded bolts. > >What About the Southern Hemisphere? >Well, what about it? It is well known that in the Southern >hemisphere, the problem of left flywheels loosening up does >not occur, but rather it is the right flywheels that loosen >up if left to their own devices. > >Hence, engineers who run engines mainly in the Southern >hemisphere should use left hand threads on the right side >flywheels, not the left. > >Honesty compels me to admit that for engineers who live and >run engines within 50 miles of the Equator, any bolts will >offer little functional value. > >Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the >Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to >swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the >equator. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From segray at mlode.com Wed May 24 12:47:56 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:47:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Mery castings] Message-ID: <4474B86C.90905@mlode.com> OK folks. For those interested in model engines, here's a chance to start/add to a collection. I have no idea what Michael's asking for the kit or what condition it's in. Email him direct since he's not on the list. The Mery is the double acting 6 cycle. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed May 24 13:02:47 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:02:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation Message-ID: <46b.159dce7.31a615e7@aol.com> Hi Curt, You are right, "spin the flywheel" was one of Fred's favorites as he believed both the corn squeezings and the game built character. His son, Fred II, had much the same attitude but expanded it to embrace governmental considerations. Take, for instance, this quote: "The egalitarianism of the present tax structure is thought to be seriously dampening individual effort, initiative, and inspiration ... [it] destroys ambition, penalizes success, discourages investment to create new jobs, and may well turn a nation of risk-taking entrepreneurs into a nation of softies." Fred Maytag II So you can see that the good works of Fred the senior carried over to the son. But today Newton and the Sons of the Sons of Fred have fallen onto hard times. An evil empire, one might say, flying the banner of Whirlpool, has taken control of that old building where the besotted factory workers once gathered to celebrate another week of good works, and, build up both their courage and character. Rumor has it that some of the Sons of the Sons of Fred are working on a toll booth to place on Interstate 80. They came up with that idea after a couple of them went on over to Chicago to see if there was employment opportunity there and saw how the Chicago boys have a good thing going for them. It is hard to say just when the new toll booth will be put in place as there are a few people to line up before it can work. But, as history has shown, Iowa politicians can, almost as easily as those from Chocolate City, be tamed and there is no if about it, only the when. I'll post more as the news comes through. Ron . In a message dated 5/24/2006 2:50:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Hey Ron, where is your sense of excitement? I'm certain you recall the stories of "Maytag roulette" that Fred and the shop boys would play during after hours binge drinking at the washer factory. The last job of the day on Fridays in the lathe department was to opposite thread both a crankshaft and flywheel for the evening festivities. The assembly department would tightly affix the flywheel as best they could so as to extent the anticipation as long as possible. After much consumption of corn distillate, a spare kick starter was spun on the floor to decide which of the fellows standing in the circle around the running Maytag would be next to stand in the flywheel path. What ever unlucky sot took eventually took the flywheel in the shins and up the chin was still expect to report for work come Monday, for as we know, Fred was a bastard! Reenactments of these glory daze can still be observed at events like Portland, whereas if you actually see a running Maytag there will certainly be a group of chaps standing around shaking their heads at the smoky beast all wondering if they are the next victim. :-) See ya, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC -------------------------------1148500967 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
Hi Curt,
You are right, "spin the flywheel" was one of Fred's favorites as = he believed both the corn squeezings and the game built character.  His= son, Fred II, had much the same attitude but expanded it to embrace go= vernmental considerations.  Take, for instance, this quote:  "The=20= egalitarianism of the present tax structure is thought to be seriously dampe= ning individual effort, initiative, and inspiration ... [it] destroys ambiti= on, penalizes success, discourages investment to create new jobs, and may we= ll turn a nation of risk-taking entrepreneurs into a nation of softies."&nbs= p; Fred Maytag II 
 
So you can see that the good works of Fred the senior carried over to t= he son.  But today Newton and the Sons of the Sons of Fred have fallen=20= onto hard times.  An evil empire, one might say, flying the banner of W= hirlpool, has taken control of that old building where the besotted factory=20= workers once gathered to celebrate another week of good works, and, build up= both their courage and character.  Rumor has it that some of the Sons=20= of the Sons of Fred are working on a toll booth to place on Interstate 80.&n= bsp; They came up with that idea after a couple of them went on over to Chic= ago to see if there was employment opportunity there and saw how the Chicago= boys have a good thing going for them. 
 
It is hard to say just when the new toll booth will be put in place as=20= there are a few people to line up before it can work.  But, as history=20= has shown, Iowa politicians can, almost as easily as those from Chocolate Ci= ty, be tamed and there is no if about it, only the when.
 
I'll post more as the news comes through.
Ron
. 
 
In a message dated 5/24/2006 2:50:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc= -group.com writes:
Hey Ron, where is your sense of excitement? I'= m certain you recall the
stories of "Maytag roulette" that Fred and the=20= shop boys would play
during after hours binge drinking at the washer fac= tory. The last job of
the day on Fridays in the lathe department was to=20= opposite thread both a
crankshaft and flywheel for the evening festiviti= es.  The assembly
department would tightly affix the flywheel as be= st they could so as to
extent the anticipation as long as possible. = ; After much consumption of
corn distillate, a spare kick starter was sp= un on the floor to decide
which of the fellows standing in the circle ar= ound the running Maytag
would be next to stand in the flywheel path. Wha= t ever unlucky sot took
eventually took the flywheel in the shins and up= the chin was still
expect to report for work come Monday, for as we kno= w, Fred was a bastard!
Reenactments of these glory daze can still be obse= rved at events like
Portland, whereas if you actually see a running Mayt= ag there will
certainly be a group of chaps standing around shaking thei= r heads at the
smoky beast all wondering if they are the next victim. :-= )
See ya,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
From segray at mlode.com Wed May 24 13:07:20 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:07:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Mery castings] again Message-ID: <4474BCF8.3010402@mlode.com> Didn't see Michael's message come through so we'll try it this way... -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Michael Bancroft wrote: I have a set of Mery Castings that it does not look like I will get to in this life time. Set #107 unmachined except for flywheel that was done by the factory. Any market for this project? Mbancroft@ hughes.net From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed May 24 13:25:26 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:25:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Mery castings] References: <4474B86C.90905@mlode.com> Message-ID: <002001c67f70$31762990$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Steve, You left out the email. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Mery castings] OK folks. For those interested in model engines, here's a chance to start/add to a collection. I have no idea what Michael's asking for the kit or what condition it's in. Email him direct since he's not on the list. The Mery is the double acting 6 cycle. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 24 13:00:15 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Steve, I think this "testing" is probably very sensitive to the wristing as you swing the sledge. It would probably be best to do the initial testing on the spokes of the engines belonging to the Evil Cloistered Oyster. Once you develop a feel for the proper "spong" sound you'll be ready to do your own engines. BTW, you might want to be prepared to suspend testing if you hear... "KA-POW! SPONG!" 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 24 May 2006, Steve Royster wrote: > I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" the > spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this information for the > safety of the SEL! Steve Royster From weirgrant at hotmail.com Wed May 24 13:37:54 2006 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:37:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: <4474BCF8.3010402@mlode.com> Message-ID: Hello, This is kind of a tractor question but it is only a two cylinder tractor so... :-) I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of the stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. I think it will work. Anyway, I need the list's expert advise on how much piston-to-cylinder clearance I need to leave. If not the actual JD service numbers then possibly some general clearance ideas? Anyone? Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada From tsmith at hal-pc.org Wed May 24 13:57:33 2006 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:57:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The bigger the sledge (applied with vigorous energy) the more effective and conclusive the results. On Wed, 24 May 2006 16:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Arnie Fero wrote: > Hey Steve, > > I think this "testing" is probably very sensitive to the wristing as >you > swing the sledge. It would probably be best to do the initial >testing on > the spokes of the engines belonging to the Evil Cloistered Oyster. > Once > you develop a feel for the proper "spong" sound you'll be ready to >do your > own engines. > > BTW, you might want to be prepared to suspend testing if you hear... > "KA-POW! SPONG!" 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, Steve Royster wrote: > >> I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" >>the >> spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this information >>for the >> safety of the SEL! Steve Royster > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 24 13:25:42 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Grant, I don't have that clearance handy (but others will). Have you checked how much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after you turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves? See ya, Arnie On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote: > I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of the > stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. I > think it will work. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed May 24 14:17:28 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:17:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation Message-ID: <410-220065324211728328@earthlink.net> Hey Steve, adding to the super fine advice of Arnie, make sure you use a minimum 20 pound sledge hammer to make up for the high humidity that seems to be present in your area. A lighter weight hammer just may not cut through the air proper. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Arnie Fero > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 5/24/2006 3:50:47 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > > Hey Steve, > > I think this "testing" is probably very sensitive to the wristing as you > swing the sledge. It would probably be best to do the initial testing on > the spokes of the engines belonging to the Evil Cloistered Oyster. Once > you develop a feel for the proper "spong" sound you'll be ready to do your > own engines. > > BTW, you might want to be prepared to suspend testing if you hear... > "KA-POW! SPONG!" 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, Steve Royster wrote: > > > I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" the > > spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this information for the > > safety of the SEL! Steve Royster > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 5/23/2006 From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed May 24 14:34:56 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:34:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation References: Message-ID: <007a01c67f79$e73c58e0$536b4b47@mikecomp> I already tested several for you Steve and it's a good thing I did, all were weak and broke. I saved your life and countless others!!!!!!! Mike "the good" Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" the > spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this information for > the safety of the SEL! Steve Royster > > >>From: "Rob Skinner" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >>Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation >>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:47:25 -0700 >> >> >> >If the flywheel runs the opposite way the outer >> > rim will tend to wan't to fold in on itself. >> >>Right you are, Lindsay. Renowned engine builder Sheldon >>Brown, partner of Jeremiah Cochran, studied the issue in >>great detail. Here is what he wrote in his Famous Flywheel >>Treatise of 1904: >> >>Are your flywheels spoked right, or are they giving you >>trouble? >>Many engineers would answer with a rueful "Right!" >> >>Spoke Cracking Leads to Flywheel Breakage! >>Thanks to superior American technology, modern engines are >>more powerful than ever. At the same time, the trend to >>lighter flywheels and fewer spokes continues. >> >>As a result of the higher stresses and cutting-edge >>construction, a fundamental design flaw in existing >>flywheels comes to light. Millions of engines are suffering >>cracked or broken spokes usually on the left side flywheel, >>leading to poor fuel economy at best, or getting left behind >>by your competition, or, in more severe cases, injury or >>death! >> >>Older flywheels were so over-built that they made up for >>incompetent design by having lots of heavy curved spokes and >>heavier-than-necessary rims. Even today, most right side >>flywheels hold up alright, because they still have more >>spokes than are needed to cope with the usual loads >>experienced by flywheels...but what about the all-important >>left flywheel? >> >>While the right side spokes tend to hold up alright, the >>left spokes are often left with insufficient strength. If a >>left spoke is cracked, there's no way that the engine can >>run right...you'll suffer catastrophic flywheel breakage due >>to metal fatigue on the left spokes. >> >>Go right now to wherever you left your engine, and check the >>spoke tension of your right wheel by plinking the spokes >>with a sledge hammer and listening to the tone. You'll >>probably find that the right side spokes are at the right >>tone, but that the left spokes will be less melodious. When >>you plunk the left spokes you'll notice that the pitch of >>the plunk is considerably lower than that of the right >>spokes. Why is this? >> >>The Myth of "Bent Spokes" >>Believe it or not, many of the unscrupulous con-artists that >>are so common in the engine industry will try to get you to >>believe that this is a "feature!" Yeah, right! >> >>They'll give you some spiel about a mystical property called >>"curve", which supposedly has something to do with the fact >>that the belt is on the right side. This is, of course, >>complete nonsense, since the belt never touches the >>flywheel, as long as your machinery is aligned just right. >> >>History Lesson Part 1. >>These idiots must have been left back in school when it was >>time to study history. Everybody knows that in the early >>days of engines, there was a problem with the left flywheels >>falling off. >> >>This was solved by the Wright brothers, when they invented >>the system of using a left-hand thread on the left flywheel >>bolt. >> >>Precession >>You might think that this would not be right, and that the >>Wright brothers had it backwards, because the friction of >>the main bearings would tend to turn the right flywheel to >>the left and the left flywheel to the right. Thus, the >>right-handed right flywheel should fall right off, while the >>left handed left flywheel would be left in place...but it >>doesn't work that way; instead an interaction with the >>Earth's magnetic field sets up eddy currents right in side >>the crankshaft, leading to a tendency for the flywheels to >>tighten themselves, as if by magic. >> >>History Lesson Part 2. >>When Nicolas Otto and Tullio Crossley independently invented >>the engine, back in the olden times, they used normal >>right-handed threading for the crankshaft main bearing caps. >>This worked alright for the left caps, but it was discovered >>that the right cap would tend to unscrew itself in use, >>unless the engine was left out in the rain, where rust could >>help to immobilize the threads. >> >>The great British engine inventor Dugald Clerk cured this >>problem by making the right crankshaft main bearing cap have >>left-hand threads, so that, even if it starts a little bit >>loose, it will tighten itself right up. >> >>The French were slow to pick up on this improved technique, >>and many German engines are still made with wrong-way >>threading, but the rest of the world has picked up on this, >>and the vast majority of engines now have main bearing caps >>that are threaded the right way: right threads on the left >>side, left threads on the right side. >> >>The Lessons of History >>Like many great inventions, bilateral obverse threading >>seems completely obvious once it has been explained; the >>solution to the problem of left flywheel breakage is, in >>fact just a simple matter of using a left-hand threading on >>the clamps that run to the left side of the flywheel! >> >>This completely eliminates the precession effect that tends >>to loosen left side flywheels in old-fashioned engines that >>use right-hand threading! >> >>Flywheel Building Issues >>Since I'm a practical mechanic as well as an inventor, I >>couldn't overlook the confusion that having two different >>types of bolts could cause. I've come up with an ingenious >>solution to the problem, however: >> >>As an optional accessory item to bilateral obverse thread >>systems, we are making available special color-coded bolts >>to help the engine builder keep track of which is which. >>Since left hand bolts look just like ordinary bolts, we >>offer special bright red bolts to fit the right-hand >>threaded spokes still used on the right side of the wheel. >>This prevents them from becoming confused with the left-hand >>threaded bolts. >> >>What About the Southern Hemisphere? >>Well, what about it? It is well known that in the Southern >>hemisphere, the problem of left flywheels loosening up does >>not occur, but rather it is the right flywheels that loosen >>up if left to their own devices. >> >>Hence, engineers who run engines mainly in the Southern >>hemisphere should use left hand threads on the right side >>flywheels, not the left. >> >>Honesty compels me to admit that for engineers who live and >>run engines within 50 miles of the Equator, any bolts will >>offer little functional value. >> >>Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the >>Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to >>swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the >>equator. >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Wed May 24 14:41:35 2006 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:41:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4474D30F.3000904@earthlink.net> Steve make sure you use a left and right handed sledge! thats is to make sure you get the correct tones :-) Clint Steve Royster wrote: > I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" > the spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this > information for the safety of the SEL! Steve Royster > > >> From: "Rob Skinner" >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation >> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:47:25 -0700 >> >> >> >If the flywheel runs the opposite way the outer >> > rim will tend to wan't to fold in on itself. >> >> Right you are, Lindsay. Renowned engine builder Sheldon >> Brown, partner of Jeremiah Cochran, studied the issue in >> great detail. Here is what he wrote in his Famous Flywheel >> Treatise of 1904: >> >> Are your flywheels spoked right, or are they giving you >> trouble? >> Many engineers would answer with a rueful "Right!" >> >> Spoke Cracking Leads to Flywheel Breakage! >> Thanks to superior American technology, modern engines are >> more powerful than ever. At the same time, the trend to >> lighter flywheels and fewer spokes continues. >> >> As a result of the higher stresses and cutting-edge >> construction, a fundamental design flaw in existing >> flywheels comes to light. Millions of engines are suffering >> cracked or broken spokes usually on the left side flywheel, >> leading to poor fuel economy at best, or getting left behind >> by your competition, or, in more severe cases, injury or >> death! >> >> Older flywheels were so over-built that they made up for >> incompetent design by having lots of heavy curved spokes and >> heavier-than-necessary rims. Even today, most right side >> flywheels hold up alright, because they still have more >> spokes than are needed to cope with the usual loads >> experienced by flywheels...but what about the all-important >> left flywheel? >> >> While the right side spokes tend to hold up alright, the >> left spokes are often left with insufficient strength. If a >> left spoke is cracked, there's no way that the engine can >> run right...you'll suffer catastrophic flywheel breakage due >> to metal fatigue on the left spokes. >> >> Go right now to wherever you left your engine, and check the >> spoke tension of your right wheel by plinking the spokes >> with a sledge hammer and listening to the tone. You'll >> probably find that the right side spokes are at the right >> tone, but that the left spokes will be less melodious. When >> you plunk the left spokes you'll notice that the pitch of >> the plunk is considerably lower than that of the right >> spokes. Why is this? >> >> The Myth of "Bent Spokes" >> Believe it or not, many of the unscrupulous con-artists that >> are so common in the engine industry will try to get you to >> believe that this is a "feature!" Yeah, right! >> >> They'll give you some spiel about a mystical property called >> "curve", which supposedly has something to do with the fact >> that the belt is on the right side. This is, of course, >> complete nonsense, since the belt never touches the >> flywheel, as long as your machinery is aligned just right. >> >> History Lesson Part 1. >> These idiots must have been left back in school when it was >> time to study history. Everybody knows that in the early >> days of engines, there was a problem with the left flywheels >> falling off. >> >> This was solved by the Wright brothers, when they invented >> the system of using a left-hand thread on the left flywheel >> bolt. >> >> Precession >> You might think that this would not be right, and that the >> Wright brothers had it backwards, because the friction of >> the main bearings would tend to turn the right flywheel to >> the left and the left flywheel to the right. Thus, the >> right-handed right flywheel should fall right off, while the >> left handed left flywheel would be left in place...but it >> doesn't work that way; instead an interaction with the >> Earth's magnetic field sets up eddy currents right in side >> the crankshaft, leading to a tendency for the flywheels to >> tighten themselves, as if by magic. >> >> History Lesson Part 2. >> When Nicolas Otto and Tullio Crossley independently invented >> the engine, back in the olden times, they used normal >> right-handed threading for the crankshaft main bearing caps. >> This worked alright for the left caps, but it was discovered >> that the right cap would tend to unscrew itself in use, >> unless the engine was left out in the rain, where rust could >> help to immobilize the threads. >> >> The great British engine inventor Dugald Clerk cured this >> problem by making the right crankshaft main bearing cap have >> left-hand threads, so that, even if it starts a little bit >> loose, it will tighten itself right up. >> >> The French were slow to pick up on this improved technique, >> and many German engines are still made with wrong-way >> threading, but the rest of the world has picked up on this, >> and the vast majority of engines now have main bearing caps >> that are threaded the right way: right threads on the left >> side, left threads on the right side. >> >> The Lessons of History >> Like many great inventions, bilateral obverse threading >> seems completely obvious once it has been explained; the >> solution to the problem of left flywheel breakage is, in >> fact just a simple matter of using a left-hand threading on >> the clamps that run to the left side of the flywheel! >> >> This completely eliminates the precession effect that tends >> to loosen left side flywheels in old-fashioned engines that >> use right-hand threading! >> >> Flywheel Building Issues >> Since I'm a practical mechanic as well as an inventor, I >> couldn't overlook the confusion that having two different >> types of bolts could cause. I've come up with an ingenious >> solution to the problem, however: >> >> As an optional accessory item to bilateral obverse thread >> systems, we are making available special color-coded bolts >> to help the engine builder keep track of which is which. >> Since left hand bolts look just like ordinary bolts, we >> offer special bright red bolts to fit the right-hand >> threaded spokes still used on the right side of the wheel. >> This prevents them from becoming confused with the left-hand >> threaded bolts. >> >> What About the Southern Hemisphere? >> Well, what about it? It is well known that in the Southern >> hemisphere, the problem of left flywheels loosening up does >> not occur, but rather it is the right flywheels that loosen >> up if left to their own devices. >> >> Hence, engineers who run engines mainly in the Southern >> hemisphere should use left hand threads on the right side >> flywheels, not the left. >> >> Honesty compels me to admit that for engineers who live and >> run engines within 50 miles of the Equator, any bolts will >> offer little functional value. >> >> Engineers who regularly travel back and forth between the >> Northern and Southern hemispheres would be well advised to >> swap the flywheel bolts side-to-side after crossing the >> equator. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed May 24 14:28:31 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:28:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Mery castings] again References: <4474BCF8.3010402@mlode.com> Message-ID: <016d01c67f7c$dd2ca280$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I dont think I will ever take on another of those! Lots of really accurate stuff and you need a decent size mill too. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Mery castings] again > Didn't see Michael's message come through so we'll try it this way... > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > > Michael Bancroft wrote: > > I have a set of Mery Castings that it does not look like I will get to in > this life time. Set #107 unmachined except for flywheel that was done by > the factory. Any market for this project? > > Mbancroft@ hughes.net > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed May 24 15:24:51 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:24:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Do the bolts automatically change color when they cross the equator. Are they legal in OZ. How much do you charge? What size do I need? Sincerely: Confused in Hemet Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation As an optional accessory item to bilateral obverse thread systems, we are making available special color-coded bolts to help the engine builder keep track of which is which. Since left hand bolts look just like ordinary bolts, we offer special bright red bolts to fit the right-hand threaded spokes still used on the right side of the wheel. This prevents them from becoming confused with the left-hand threaded bolts. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 24 16:41:29 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:41:29 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Did Sheldon Brown take into account that the ambient temperatures throughout the world will rise by 6C in the next 20 years. This fact will be another factor in the " Great Fly wheel Debate''. Relative humidity will increase in some parts of the planet with increasing corrosion so providing a natural nut locking system .........Loctite sales will diminish ,natural fibres will be the only way ,for underpants I mean , none of this ''Man Made '' shit...........long live wool! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > Do the bolts automatically change color when they cross the equator. Are > they legal in OZ. > How much do you charge? What size do I need? > > Sincerely: > Confused in Hemet > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > > As an optional accessory item to bilateral obverse thread > systems, we are making available special color-coded bolts > to help the engine builder keep track of which is which. > Since left hand bolts look just like ordinary bolts, we > offer special bright red bolts to fit the right-hand > threaded spokes still used on the right side of the wheel. > This prevents them from becoming confused with the left-hand > threaded bolts. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jbcast at charter.net Wed May 24 17:23:48 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:23:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance Message-ID: <1805965249.1148516628177.JavaMail.root@fepweb08> > > I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of the > stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. I > think it will work. > > Anyway, I need the list's expert advise on how much piston-to-cylinder > clearance I need to leave. If not the actual JD service numbers then > possibly some general clearance ideas? Anyone? > > > Grant Weir > Saskatoon, SK. > Canada > > .001" per inch of bore for cast iron pistons, you can stay on the tight side if the engine isn't going right into heavy service. I usually leave the bore .005 under and clean up the piston. No problem with rings on this small amount. The bore is usually a standard dimension, 4", 4 3/8", whatever. The piston will usually measure under. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 24 17:47:06 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 20:47:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] New England OT Message-ID: <468.1774a5c.31a6588a@aol.com> We are thinking about taking a ride thru New England and maybe Nova Scotia June 10-17. Anyone know of "must see" places to stop and visit along the way? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 24 18:16:34 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:16:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44750572.1060008@scrtc.com> Arnie and Grant, I don't know what the proper "engineered" dimension should be but I always use the rule of 1/1000th clearance per inch of bore. So, my piston would be .00675 undersize. Its always worked for me but I don't know how close it would be to what the "book" says. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Grant, > >I don't have that clearance handy (but others will). Have you checked how >much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after you >turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves? > >See ya, Arnie > >On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote: > > > >>I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of the >>stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. I >>think it will work. >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------050006000106000401030805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Arnie and Grant,
    I don't know what the proper "engineered" dimension should be but I always use the rule of 1/1000th clearance per inch of bore. So, my piston would be .00675 undersize.  Its always worked for me but I don't know how close it would be to what the "book" says.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Hi Grant,

I don't have that clearance handy (but others will).  Have you checked how
much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after you
turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves?

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote:

  
I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of the
stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit.  I
think it will work.
    


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From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed May 24 18:44:46 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:44:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New England OT References: <468.1774a5c.31a6588a@aol.com> Message-ID: <00c801c67f9c$d4fe7730$4ff5f504@Ed> Hi Tom, Mystic Sea Port, Ct is interesting and they have a compound steam engine driven boat , the Siebel ? http://www.mysticseaport.org/ Also our club has a nice museum in Kent, CT , http://www.ctamachinery.com/ .I have two empty bedrooms but they are being restored and LORD only knows when the restoration will be done. :You know about how a restoration seems to never fine the end. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: [SEL] New England OT > We are thinking about taking a ride thru New England and maybe Nova Scotia > June 10-17. > > Anyone know of "must see" places to stop and visit along the way? > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed May 24 10:54:40 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:54:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <005501c67f5b$22e45a60$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation Big Snip> > Go right now to wherever you left your engine, and check the > spoke tension of your right wheel by plinking the spokes > with a sledge hammer and listening to the tone. You'll > probably find that the right side spokes are at the right > tone, but that the left spokes will be less melodious. When > you plunk the left spokes you'll notice that the pitch of > the plunk is considerably lower than that of the right > spokes. Why is this? Hi Rob, I will get down to the engine shed & "plink" the spokes of all my Right flywheels immediately with the sledgehammer. Why live a boring life with no sense of adventure! PS Why do you have to "Plink" the right flywheel & "plunk" the left one. PPS Would a Lump hammer be suitable for the lower tone of the left hand wheel. Thanks for your excellent advice. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed May 24 18:55:53 2006 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... Message-ID: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello folks, Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I am back. Hope you are all doing well. If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can I make for you.... email off list. One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. Later, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed May 24 19:30:36 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 19:30:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... References: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c67fa3$34cd3ba0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Joe, good to see you back. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... Hello folks, Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I am back. Hope you are all doing well. If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can I make for you.... email off list. One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. Later, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 24 19:56:39 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:56:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chickentown Message-ID: <20060524.230019.332.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Arnie - Dave, Are you planning to be at Chickentown this weekend ? Her Majesty & I are planning on it. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ May is Motorcycle Awareness Month. (_o_) "Look twice - Save a life". From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 24 20:03:19 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:03:19 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... In-Reply-To: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060525030312.YKUE1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Joe, Welcome back :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hello folks, Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I am back. Hope you are all doing well. If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can I make for you.... email off list. One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. Later, Joe From jbcast at charter.net Wed May 24 20:23:58 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 20:23:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... Message-ID: <1986554227.1148527438089.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> -Glad to have you back Joe. J.B. Castagnos From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed May 24 20:32:14 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:32:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics In-Reply-To: <20060524132716.LYYD27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, Thanks for the great pics as usual. The YC looks great. BTW DO you know who owms the W Type Stover? Regards Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 23:27:22 +1000 > >Some pics from Cambelltown Steam Museum on the weekend. I took the YC >Stover >out on Sunday and it ran as sweet as ever, until it ran out of fuel. >Throttlers sound nice but they go through a lot more fuel than the hit and >miss engines! >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay061.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed May 24 21:05:17 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:05:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <005501c67f5b$22e45a60$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <001301c67fb0$6ff90440$be85dccb@oemcomputer> Yoou blokes have got me real worried now.All the trips to the US and now you tell me that as we went north to south and the other way around we only had about 100 miles of safe flight.The rest of the time either the left engines or the right engines depending which way we were going could have wound of a turbine disc. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:54 Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:47 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > > > Big Snip> > > Go right now to wherever you left your engine, and check the > > spoke tension of your right wheel by plinking the spokes > > with a sledge hammer and listening to the tone. You'll > > probably find that the right side spokes are at the right > > tone, but that the left spokes will be less melodious. When > > you plunk the left spokes you'll notice that the pitch of > > the plunk is considerably lower than that of the right > > spokes. Why is this? > > > Hi Rob, I will get down to the engine shed & "plink" the spokes of > all my Right flywheels immediately with the sledgehammer. > Why live a boring life with no sense of adventure! > PS Why do you have to "Plink" the right flywheel & "plunk" the left one. > PPS Would a Lump hammer be suitable for the lower tone of the left hand wheel. > Thanks for your excellent advice. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 24 21:01:44 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 00:01:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... In-Reply-To: <1986554227.1148527438089.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> References: <1986554227.1148527438089.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> Message-ID: <29f168ae4dfcec39606d58e1d6addb68@chartertn.net> Yeah, welcome back, Joe! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed May 24 21:02:18 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:02:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Grant, The clearance should be one thou per inch of bore size if the pistons are cast iron. Regards Lyndsay >From: "Grant Weir" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:37:54 -0600 > > >Hello, > >This is kind of a tractor question but it is only a two cylinder tractor >so... :-) > >I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of >the stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. >I think it will work. > >Anyway, I need the list's expert advise on how much piston-to-cylinder >clearance I need to leave. If not the actual JD service numbers then >possibly some general clearance ideas? Anyone? > > >Grant Weir >Saskatoon, SK. >Canada > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From weirgrant at hotmail.com Wed May 24 22:37:31 2006 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 23:37:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: <44750572.1060008@scrtc.com> Message-ID: I knew you guys would have the answer! About a thou per inch of bore sounds perfect to me - thats about 6 or 7 thou of clearance which is right between my own guestimate of between 0.005 and 0.010. Too little is what was worrying me. The sleeves came with a 6.705" bore so that they would clean up to 6.750 once pressed in. I did not bore them once they were in, but only honed them instead. I used a 'real' bore hone - not one of those "deglazer" things - so the bore is nice and round. The new hole size is 6.720 which leaves me about 0.010-0.015 to take off the pistons for a primo fit. I don't think thats enough to worry about breaking through or weakening materials etc. The ring grooves are rather worn as well so I've got to widen and probably deepen them some too. Happily I have all new rings. When I pulled this engine apart I was totally amazed by how badly the bore was worn. I could actually look down past the piston and see the first ring! Just for fun I checked and it was almost 0.10" of clearance - wow. The fellow I bought it from claimed that it ran when he parked it (30 years ago...), but it was getting "...damn hard to start." No doubt! I guess if it ran with a hundred thou of piston clearance, anything more than 0.007 should be just fine. :-) Sorry to ramble on... Thanks for the info gang! Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston clearance >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:16:34 -0400 > >Arnie and Grant, > I don't know what the proper "engineered" dimension should be but I >always use the rule of 1/1000th clearance per inch of bore. So, my piston >would be .00675 undersize. Its always worked for me but I don't know how >close it would be to what the "book" says. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >>Hi Grant, >> >>I don't have that clearance handy (but others will). Have you checked how >>much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after you >>turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves? >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote: >> >> >> >>>I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of >>>the >>>stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. I >>>think it will work. >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > >--------------050006000106000401030805 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > >Arnie and Grant,
>    I don't know what the proper "engineered" dimension >should be but I >always use the rule of 1/1000th clearance per inch of bore. So, my >piston would be .00675 undersize.  Its always worked for me but I >don't >know how close it would be to what the "book" says.
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>Tommy Turner
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>I don't have that clearance handy (but others will).  Have you checked how
>much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after you
>turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves?
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote:
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>stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit.  I
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> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Thu May 25 01:28:03 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 1:28:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance Message-ID: <33505996.1148545683155.JavaMail.root@fepweb04> - > > When I pulled this engine apart I was totally amazed by how badly the bore > was worn. I could actually look down past the piston and see the first > ring! Just for fun I checked and it was almost 0.10" of clearance - wow. > The fellow I bought it from claimed that it ran when he parked it (30 years > ago...), but it was getting "...damn hard to start." No doubt! > Grant, the clearance should increase about .006" on each ring land, the top of the piston should have about .024" clearance. This is where the heat is and you need room for expansion. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu May 25 03:27:59 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 05:27:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... In-Reply-To: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <447586AF.4000502@wightman.ca> Good to see you back Joe. Duncan Joe Prindle wrote: >Hello folks, >Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I >am back. Hope you are all doing well. >If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can >I make for you.... email off list. >One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a >real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those >of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under >the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and >was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. >Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. >Later, >Joe > >Joe Prindle >Baraboo, WI USA > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu May 25 03:02:15 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:02:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... Message-ID: <052520061002.24751.447580A70002D320000060AF219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Joe, a big welcome back to you. By the way sent you an email several months ago for Joe Maurer. He wanted you to know that he could put you up at his house for the Stover reunion at Freeport show. Better let him know if your interested. glad your back, Curt Andree > Hello folks, > Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I > am back. Hope you are all doing well. > If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can > I make for you.... email off list. > One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a > real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those > of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under > the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and > was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. > Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. > Later, > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu May 25 03:15:21 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:15:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Telephone Directory Service Message-ID: <052520061015.28623.447583B90006734600006FCF219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Francis with the 411 web help. Was just looking for an engine friends phone number and it works great! Curt Andree > Hi List, > Periodically, we have members asking for telephone numbers of individuals or > businesses. Here is a free internet service that will help you find a > telephone number: <_http://www.free411.com/_ (http://www.free411.com/) > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > > -------------------------------1148484160 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > Arial"=20 > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> e_document=20 > face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> >
Hi List,
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 L> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdi at rochester.rr.com Thu May 25 04:12:59 2006 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:12:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wolseley Type "R" Message-ID: <003501c67fec$2eee0cc0$bafce448@rochester.rr.com> > ... One question - the gear on the maggy is breaking up pretty badly >(unuseable again) - was this made from leather? It is "flaking" apart like >a really old phenolic gear but I do not think that phenolic was around in >1928. Could it have been made from leather? Whatever it was made from was >obviously as a safety feature (as in "shear bolt") to prevent damage to >anything else, but why on the magneto which is a free running unit at the >end of the "power train" ? I will study it more carefully on Wednesday ( >and probably post some pics). >.... >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (It's taken me a few days to recall this word...) this layered fiber material may be "micarta". It was invented circa 1910 and fits your description. -Rick I. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 25 05:16:41 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:16:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chickentown In-Reply-To: <20060524.230019.332.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060524.230019.332.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <1148559401.4475a02910987@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Joe, No, we decided to go to the show in Wapakoneta, OH instead. It's a bit SW of Findlay Ohio. We've been thinking about it for a couple of years and decided that this is the year. We should get there around lunch time on Friday. Give Silvia a hug & kiss for me wouldja? See ya, Arnie Quoting "Joseph L. Betz" : > Hey Arnie - Dave, > Are you planning to be at Chickentown this weekend ? > Her Majesty & I are planning on it. From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu May 25 05:31:58 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:31:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New England OT In-Reply-To: <468.1774a5c.31a6588a@aol.com> References: <468.1774a5c.31a6588a@aol.com> Message-ID: <4475A3BE.2070501@insulate.co.uk> Hi Tom The Precision Engineering museum in Vermont is well worth a visit: http://www.americanprecision.org/ Dolly Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >We are thinking about taking a ride thru New England and maybe Nova Scotia >June 10-17. > >Anyone know of "must see" places to stop and visit along the way? > > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 25 05:51:03 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:51:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4475A837.8090506@imc-group.com> Grant, You may want to reference this chart (it's very readable once printed) as it addresses the stepping of the diameter as you approach the crown. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Grant Weir wrote: > > I knew you guys would have the answer! About a thou per inch of bore > sounds perfect to me - thats about 6 or 7 thou of clearance which is > right between my own guestimate of between 0.005 and 0.010. Too > little is what was worrying me. > > The sleeves came with a 6.705" bore so that they would clean up to > 6.750 once pressed in. I did not bore them once they were in, but > only honed them instead. I used a 'real' bore hone - not one of those > "deglazer" things - so the bore is nice and round. The new hole size > is 6.720 which leaves me about 0.010-0.015 to take off the pistons for > a primo fit. I don't think thats enough to worry about breaking > through or weakening materials etc. The ring grooves are rather worn > as well so I've got to widen and probably deepen them some too. > Happily I have all new rings. > > When I pulled this engine apart I was totally amazed by how badly the > bore was worn. I could actually look down past the piston and see the > first ring! Just for fun I checked and it was almost 0.10" of > clearance - wow. The fellow I bought it from claimed that it ran when > he parked it (30 years ago...), but it was getting "...damn hard to > start." No doubt! > > I guess if it ran with a hundred thou of piston clearance, anything > more than 0.007 should be just fine. :-) > > Sorry to ramble on... Thanks for the info gang! > > Grant Weir > Saskatoon, SK. > Canada > > > >> From: Judge Tommy Turner >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston clearance >> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:16:34 -0400 >> >> Arnie and Grant, >> I don't know what the proper "engineered" dimension should be but >> I always use the rule of 1/1000th clearance per inch of bore. So, my >> piston would be .00675 undersize. Its always worked for me but I >> don't know how close it would be to what the "book" says. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>> Hi Grant, >>> >>> I don't have that clearance handy (but others will). Have you >>> checked how >>> much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after >>> you >>> turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves? >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly >>>> undersize of the >>>> stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to >>>> fit. I >>>> think it will work. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------050006000106000401030805 >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Arnie and Grant,
>>     I don't know what the proper "engineered" >> dimension should be but I >> always use the rule of 1/1000th clearance per inch of bore. So, my >> piston would be .00675 undersize.  Its always worked for me but >> I don't >> know how close it would be to what the "book" says.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>
> cite="midPine.BSF.4.51.0605241623520.59223 at vegeta.city-net.com" >> type="cite"> >> 
Hi Grant,
>>
>> I don't have that clearance handy (but others will).  Have you 
>> checked how
>> much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after you
>> turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore 
>> slightly undersize of the
>> stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit.  I
>> think it will work.
>>
>>
>> 

>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> > href="mailto:SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com">SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
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>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 25 06:36:20 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:36:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New England OT In-Reply-To: <4475A3BE.2070501@insulate.co.uk> References: <468.1774a5c.31a6588a@aol.com> <4475A3BE.2070501@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <4475B2D4.9090207@imc-group.com> Tom, I would like to ditto Dolly's endorsement of the Precision Museum in VT. This collection of the earliest machine tools is meant to document the earliest tooling used in the gun smithing industry. I found a few pictures from our trip (years ago) and put together a quick web page so you can have a look. Nearby (I don't recall the town) is an EARLY hydroelectric power plant that is still on the grid. At the top of the page is a couple of thumbnails of the power plant. There are a couple pictures of a marine engine and of the Ticonderoga. The first of the Precision Museum pictures is of one of the earliest lathes. You'll notice the "ways" are granite slabs! All manual, not even feed. You will see a Bridgeport. This is s/n #1 ! The tall red machine is a broaching tool as I recall. Phenomenal detail in the pattern work. But what is most amazing is all the models of machinetools. As I recall the fellow that made them worked in a large shop by day and went home in the evenings (or perhaps after retirement) and made accurate models of the machines he used at work! The detail is unbelievable. Anyhow, I hope you enjoy these and you should certainly make a point to visit this treasure of New England. Link: Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jim French wrote: > Hi Tom > > The Precision Engineering museum in Vermont is well worth a visit: > http://www.americanprecision.org/ > > Dolly > > Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > >> We are thinking about taking a ride thru New England and maybe Nova >> Scotia June 10-17. >> >> Anyone know of "must see" places to stop and visit along the way? >> >> >> > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 25 07:01:00 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:01:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: <410-220065324211728328@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Great Idea from both of you! Since the evil cloisterd oyster is deeply involved in Model T restoration, He'll not even notice if I "Test" his spokes........ >From: "Tim Christoff" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:17:28 -0500 > >Hey Steve, adding to the super fine advice of Arnie, make sure you use a >minimum 20 pound sledge hammer to make up for the high humidity that seems >to be present in your area. A lighter weight hammer just may not cut >through the air proper. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Arnie Fero > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 5/24/2006 3:50:47 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation > > > > Hey Steve, > > > > I think this "testing" is probably very sensitive to the wristing as you > > swing the sledge. It would probably be best to do the initial testing >on > > the spokes of the engines belonging to the Evil Cloistered Oyster. Once > > you develop a feel for the proper "spong" sound you'll be ready to do >your > > own engines. > > > > BTW, you might want to be prepared to suspend testing if you hear... > > "KA-POW! SPONG!" 8-)) > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, Steve Royster wrote: > > > > > I'm going to go home tonight and get a big sledge hammer and "test" >the > > > spokes on all my engines! Thank you Rob for sharing this information >for the > > > safety of the SEL! Steve Royster > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 5/23/2006 > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 25 07:21:29 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:21:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4475BD69.7000102@imc-group.com> Andy Glines wrote: > I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some cedar > logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the cedar logs > or any other slabs for that matter. Andy, What I have traditionally done is cut up small cedar trees of 6 to 8" in diameter. I cut these wafers about a 1/2" thick. The purple heart and great smell of cedar is found neat by most spectators. Generally as fast as I can cut these the spectators are taking them home with them. Eventually I would like to make a Cotton Ginning Days logo brand that could be burned into the wafers. I think your blacksmith already has done this with a SIAM brand. Curt From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 25 07:25:47 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:25:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... In-Reply-To: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Glad to have you back Joe, and great to meet you at Portland after all the Monitor help you shared with me over the years. Are you coming back this year? Steve Royster >From: Joe Prindle >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:55:53 -0700 (PDT) > >Hello folks, >Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I >am back. Hope you are all doing well. >If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can >I make for you.... email off list. >One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a >real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those >of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under >the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and >was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. >Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. >Later, >Joe > >Joe Prindle >Baraboo, WI USA > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 25 06:48:58 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 06:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Piston clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4012.165.206.180.19.1148564938.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Once you resize the piston and recut the grooves to the proper depth, like Arnie said make sure there is meat left - then be REALLY sure to leave enough ring end gap - you'll likely need to file the ends a bit. The rings will be sized for a standard bore. You don't want them to get hot and expand and and seize in the bore. On a car it can snap piston tops - on a tractor, I suspect it will gaul (sp)cylinder walls and break rings. Bill (From hot and humid and dusty Waukee.........) > Hi Grant, > > I don't have that clearance handy (but others will). Have you checked how > much "meat" you'll have left at the bottom of the ring grooves after you > turn down the piston and re-cut the ring grooves? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, Grant Weir wrote: > >> I've sleeved my 29' John Deere D and left the bore slightly undersize of >> the >> stock 6-3/4" size so that I can turn my worn out pistons down to fit. I >> think it will work. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu May 25 08:17:47 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:17:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please help identify this engine Message-ID: <200605251738859.SM00932@new.databak.co.za> Hi All, Someone gave me this modern Diesel engine yesterday. It is a horizontal radiator cooled and looks Japanese - possibly Kubota. Can anyone identify it for me please. I've put a few pics here: Many thanks Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 25 08:00:54 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... In-Reply-To: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060525015553.96941.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hiya Joe, Jeeze, it's about bloody time!! So getting married didn't make your "top ten" list for last year? 8-)) Looking forward to Baraboo!! With all the Aussies it should really be a hoot! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 24 May 2006, Joe Prindle wrote: > Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I > am back. Hope you are all doing well. From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 25 09:26:20 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:26:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4475DAAC.4020706@imc-group.com> Steve, If for no other reason than entertainment, test the spokes on his Model T wheels while you are there. The varying tone as you work around a wheel ought to be interesting. And you get the added bonus of doing this 4 times. Curt Steve Royster wrote: > Great Idea from both of you! Since the evil cloisterd oyster is deeply > involved in Model T restoration, He'll not even notice if I "Test" his > spokes........ > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu May 25 09:47:11 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:47:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please help identify this engine In-Reply-To: <200605251738859.SM00932@new.databak.co.za> References: <200605251738859.SM00932@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <4475DF8F.2090103@scrtc.com> Looks Kubota to me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Hi All, > Someone gave me this modern Diesel engine yesterday. It is a > horizontal radiator cooled and looks Japanese - possibly Kubota. Can > anyone identify it for me please. > I've put a few pics here: > > Many thanks > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From oldengin at verizon.net Thu May 25 09:51:22 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:51:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oh, there you are..... References: Message-ID: <005501c6801b$74e3b430$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> >>Hello folks, >>Life got busy, I left, life is starting to settle down, I missed ya, now I >>am back. Hope you are all doing well. >>If anyone has a 15 hp left hand Reid and needs a governor, such a deal can >>I make for you.... email off list. >>One of the highlights of the last year was going to Portland. It was a >>real treat to meet some of you. I mean it was treat to meet all of those >>of you who I met.... oh, never mind, it was just nice. I was feeling under >>the weather, broke off a crown chewing on some popcorn on the way down and >>was feeling miserable and more ornery than normal, but still had fun. >>Anyway, enough rambling. It is good to be back. >>Later, >>Joe >> >>Joe Prindle >>Baraboo, WI USA JOE!!!! good to see ya back, yes are you heading into PORTLAND again this year? You left before we could talk and am looking forward to doing so... Leroy From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu May 25 10:05:13 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:05:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Please help identify this engine Message-ID: <42b.244eb3d.31a73dc9@aol.com> Hi Jerry and Tommy, I concur that it looks like a Kubota. I have a Kubota two cylinder diesel that is much like this one except it has a little more sheet metal covering the fan/radiator area. If you are wanting to start a Kubota collection, I'll make you a good deal. :>) Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 5/25/2006 12:57:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: Looks Kubota to me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Hi All, > Someone gave me this modern Diesel engine yesterday. It is a > horizontal radiator cooled and looks Japanese - possibly Kubota. Can > anyone identify it for me please. > I've put a few pics here: > > Many thanks > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans -------------------------------1148576713 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jerry and Tommy,
I concur that it looks like a Kubota.  I have a Kubota two cylinde= r diesel that is much like this one except it has a little more sheet metal=20= covering the fan/radiator area.  If you are wanting to start a Kubota c= ollection, I'll make you a good deal.  :>)
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri USA
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/25/2006 12:57:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge= @scrtc.com writes:
Looks Kubota to me.

Tommy Turner
Mag= nolia, KY


> Hi All,
>         S= omeone gave me this modern Diesel engine yesterday. It is a
> horizon= tal radiator cooled and looks Japanese - possibly Kubota. Can
> anyon= e identify it for me please.
>         I've p= ut a few pics here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/diesel/index= .htm>
> Many thanks
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
&= gt; Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel= . (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
> Visit our website for old engines i= n South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans
=
From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Thu May 25 11:11:43 2006 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:11:43 -0400 Subject: Subject: [SEL] New England OT Message-ID: Tom, The Springfield Armory in Springfield MA. is a good place to spend 3 or 4 hours. They have thousands of rifles from the late 1700's up through the M1 and M14. They are about 10 minutes from I-91 and the admission is free. Ken ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C68026.AD685E14 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [SEL] New England OT

Tom,

 The Springfield Armory in Springfield MA. is a good place to spend 3 or 4 hours.  They have thousands of rifles from the late 1700's up through the M1 and M14.  They are about 10 minutes from I-91 and the admission is free.

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 From rotigel at alltel.net Thu May 25 13:07:02 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:07:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT In-Reply-To: <005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060525160452.04570d70@mail.alltel.net> > I mean , none of this ''Man Made '' shit...........long live wool! Hi Peter, Many of us strongly believe that wool from New Zealand has human DNA in it. Can you verify this for us? Dave From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 25 17:18:14 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:18:14 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer><002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm><005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> <6.1.2.0.0.20060525160452.04570d70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000601c68059$eba76a60$10402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> If the inference is that I am from NZ then get out your geography book! . Regarding your question, better direct it to a Kiwi.It's an old joke Dave ,rather dated now so don't stick your chin out too far. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT > >> I mean , none of this ''Man Made '' shit...........long live wool! > > Hi Peter, Many of us strongly believe that wool from New Zealand has human > DNA in it. Can you verify this for us? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu May 25 18:16:28 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:16:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT In-Reply-To: <000601c68059$eba76a60$10402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> <6.1.2.0.0.20060525160452.04570d70@mail.alltel.net> <000601c68059$eba76a60$10402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060525211313.02b80450@mail.alltel.net> Not at all Peter. You just seem to be so knowledgeable on so many things that I thought you might be able to help us out on this! Dave PS, Do you know how to sign your posts? At 08:18 PM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >If the inference is that I am from NZ then get out your geography book! > > >> >>> I mean , none of this ''Man Made '' shit...........long live wool! >> >>Hi Peter, Many of us strongly believe that wool from New Zealand has human >>DNA in it. Can you verify this for us? >> Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Thu May 25 19:30:29 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:30:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- But mechanic tip(Now SIAM) In-Reply-To: <1183.65.6.252.223.1148381224.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060513234212.023026e8@herculesengines.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522090921.02054ea0@alltel.net> <4471CA23.20302@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522113408.020b0e00@alltel.net> <4471E0A1.4070107@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060522135618.020e93f0@alltel.net> <1183.65.6.252.223.1148381224.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060525221802.02bcfd70@mail.alltel.net> At 06:47 AM 5/23/2006, you wrote: > >>> What are the dates for SIAM anyway? > > >The dates are June 9 - 11. >Curt and Devin will be there, but I will be at home in nursing school this >year. Who else is planning to go? >Missy Hi Missy, Curt is a OK guy and Devin is a great kid, BUT the only reason that Arnie and I go to SIAM is to see you! It's clear that we will have to rethink the trip this year! Can't you send Curt to the nursing classes and you and Devin come to SIAM? Dave PS, Been doing any shooting lately? I have a new piece that you need to try out. (See: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=11101&langId=-1&productId=14764&tabselected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=15704) Don't let the retail price scare you--I got mine for $620.00! PPS, If you are done with what I loaned you I could use them back. Thanks! From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 25 21:08:21 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:08:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer><002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm><005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3><6.1.2.0.0.20060525160452.04570d70@mail.alltel.net><000601c68059$eba76a60$10402ecb@ogborneuah38i3> <6.1.2.0.0.20060525211313.02b80450@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002901c6807a$0a9f3810$7e422ecb@ogborneuah38i3> I get the impression Dave that you are somewhat short in stature and as a consequence have the small mans problem .I really don't think I will bother with your ''Contributions''any more. Obviously I have hit a raw spot ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT > Not at all Peter. You just seem to be so knowledgeable on so many things > that I thought you might be able to help us out on this! > Dave > PS, Do you know how to sign your posts? > > At 08:18 PM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >>If the inference is that I am from NZ then get out your geography book! >> >> >>> >>>> I mean , none of this ''Man Made '' shit...........long live wool! >>> >>>Hi Peter, Many of us strongly believe that wool from New Zealand has >>>human >>>DNA in it. Can you verify this for us? >>> Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Fri May 26 03:24:07 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 05:24:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Air Compressor Message-ID: <4476D747.40602@wightman.ca> Here's something to belt up to. http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=134655&query=retrieval Duncan -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From shop at cccomm.net Fri May 26 08:55:40 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:55:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT References: <00e401c67f49$5c482550$0201a8c0@robscomputer><002f01c67f80$e0036c60$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm><005501c67f8b$98254980$f3412ecb@ogborneuah38i3><6.1.2.0.0.20060525160452.04570d70@mail.alltel.net><000601c68059$eba76a60$10402ecb@ogborneuah38i3><6.1.2.0.0.20060525211313.02b80450@mail.alltel.net> <002901c6807a$0a9f3810$7e422ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <03f901c680dc$d6aed3e0$6401a8c0@Shop> Now now boys, Texas is where the men are men and the sheep are afraid.................. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT >I get the impression Dave that you are somewhat short in stature and as a > consequence have the small mans problem .I really don't think I will > bother with your ''Contributions''any more. Obviously I have hit a raw > spot ! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to > OT > > >> Not at all Peter. You just seem to be so knowledgeable on so many things >> that I thought you might be able to help us out on this! >> Dave >> PS, Do you know how to sign your posts? >> >> At 08:18 PM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >>>If the inference is that I am from NZ then get out your geography book! >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> I mean , none of this ''Man Made '' shit...........long live wool! >>>> >>>>Hi Peter, Many of us strongly believe that wool from New Zealand has >>>>human >>>>DNA in it. Can you verify this for us? >>>> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Fri May 26 09:08:09 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:08:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine rotation......rambling off to OT In-Reply-To: <03f901c680dc$d6aed3e0$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <032501c680de$95198310$8335c53e@doc> And there was me thinking it was Wales! Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Ernst > Sent: 26 May 2006 16:56 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curved spokes ...engine > rotation......rambling off to OT > > Now now boys, Texas is where the men are men and the sheep are > afraid.................. > > Dave From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri May 26 10:15:29 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:15:29 -0000 Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <4475BD69.7000102@imc-group.com> References: <4475BD69.7000102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060626120714.0211b378@herculesengines.com> I don't have a source for the cedar logs and your right, the smell and color are nice. But, this winter dad and I started clearing a field that had not been cropped for about 15 years. It had grown up with a bunch of 4-6" trees. We cut them in 8-12' lengths and set them aside planning on cutting them into firewood, or disks, at the SIAM show. We have a large pickup load. With at least 3 saw rigs going we should be able to cut them into fire wood in about a half hour.:-) With disks and less aggressive cutting they should last the weekend. Who all is planning on coming to SIAM? So far I know of Curt, Mike, Glenn, Andy and myself. Any others? Keith www.herculesengines.com At 09:21 AM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >Andy Glines wrote: > >> I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some >> cedar logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the >> cedar logs or any other slabs for that matter. > >Andy, >What I have traditionally done is cut up small cedar trees of 6 to >8" in diameter. I cut these wafers about a 1/2" thick. The purple >heart and great smell of cedar is found neat by most spectators. >Generally as fast as I can cut these the spectators are taking them >home with them. >Eventually I would like to make a Cotton Ginning Days logo brand >that could be burned into the wafers. I think your blacksmith >already has done this with a SIAM brand. >Curt > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri May 26 10:42:51 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:42:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron Message-ID: <246.b43da84.31a8981b@aol.com> Hi Keith, I will be at the SIAM show and Paul Maples said he is going to try to make it. See you there, Bill Miller. 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 From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue May 23 22:24:29 2006 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:24:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curved spokes Now.OT only References: <004701c67ec2$3cc386c0$e4c231cb@ogborneuah38i3><20060524000908.64571.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060523230550.04448238@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002a01c67ef2$550675f0$0edaeddc@morris> > The truth is that the majority of those of us in the USA are > "straight" (94%) while the majority of those in the UK are not. (Only 26% > of those in the UK are "straight" according to the latest Zogby poll--see: > http://zogby.com/ )The DOWN side of this for those of us in the USA is > that the 26% of those in the UK own 69% more trapezes than do the 94% of > us in the USA. > Dave > PS, Ask Dolly about that last statistic! Dave it is true that several years ago the pollies in the House of Commons were in session when the speaker said the next subject is the Homosexual Bill, when the leader go up and said crap I thought we had payed it. Kerry From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri May 26 14:02:18 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060626120714.0211b378@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <20060526210218.32602.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Keith I'm not sure if I am going to make it down or not yet. I cannot leave work early this year...and I have another event on Saturday morning...depending on soon that is over, I may drive on down. My folks are out in Washington DC (for the National Stamp Show see: http://www.washington-2006.org/ ) and points east until after the show at CPM. I hope they find a few engine ad covers for my collection at the show....My youngest sister has a 16 frame (16 pages per frame) exhibit on the history of the American Flag. Steve --- Keith Kinney wrote: > Who all is planning on coming to SIAM? So far I know of Curt, Mike, > Glenn, Andy and myself. Any others? > > Keith > www.herculesengines.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat May 27 21:18:49 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 00:18:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM Publication Change Message-ID: <447924A9.1020206@scrtc.com> I'm sure most of you have received your letter from the GEM as I have noting the changes that will be made in the publication dates of the GEM. We'll soon be going to a Bi Monthly publication meaning you'll get one magazine every other month. I know that business dictates things like this happen but I hate to see it. I can remember the days when it was in the bi monthly format and it seemed like a long time between issues. Steam Traction (for those of you that receive it) will be going to a quarterly (3 month) publication date. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun May 28 04:35:57 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 07:35:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM Publication Change References: <447924A9.1020206@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002601c6824a$e42700f0$bad84c0c@D48VHZ61> Hadn't got mine yet but I did notice in one of the more recent issues where you could get a set of CD's with all of the back issues on them. Guess I can get rid of my 20 years worth of GEM now. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: [SEL] GEM Publication Change > I'm sure most of you have received your letter from the GEM as I have > noting the changes that will be made in the publication dates of the GEM. > We'll soon be going to a Bi Monthly publication meaning you'll get one > magazine every other month. I know that business dictates things like > this happen but I hate to see it. I can remember the days when it was in > the bi monthly format and it seemed like a long time between issues. > Steam Traction (for those of you that receive it) will be going to a > quarterly (3 month) publication date. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun May 28 07:43:15 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 09:43:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GEM Publication Change In-Reply-To: <447924A9.1020206@scrtc.com> References: <447924A9.1020206@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <4479B703.7050904@wightman.ca> It is sure unfortunate but I bet they are having a heck of a time getting content for monthly issues. The convienance of the internet and e-mail will surely spell the end of a lot of printed publications down the road. Sad really. Duncan Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I'm sure most of you have received your letter from the GEM as I have > noting the changes that will be made in the publication dates of the > GEM. We'll soon be going to a Bi Monthly publication meaning you'll > get one magazine every other month. I know that business dictates > things like this happen but I hate to see it. I can remember the days > when it was in the bi monthly format and it seemed like a long time > between issues. Steam Traction (for those of you that receive it) > will be going to a quarterly (3 month) publication date. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 28 06:39:20 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 09:39:20 EDT Subject: [SEL] GEM Publication Change Message-ID: <467.1e1eff5.31ab0208@aol.com> In a message dated 5/28/2006 12:26:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: << We'll soon be going to a Bi Monthly publication >> Tommy, Got my letter also, and not sure how it will affect my subscription. Will miss the monthly issues! Mine goes thru January, but they offered a deal to sign up now and not sure if it will tack on to January or what. Guess I need to contact them. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 28 00:56:25 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:56:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kerry & the Crank Handle Message-ID: <20060528075625.VLSR4761.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I would hate to be the one to spread rumours but.... Kerry Morris is now an expert on at demonstrating how not to use a crank handle and how to stop it rotating with your face ;) The lesson is when you have to use a crank don't use ones with rotating handles. The sad part is it was not even Kerry's engine. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jlb94 at juno.com Mon May 29 10:24:34 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 13:24:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dave David Message-ID: <20060529.132434.1140.2.jlb94@juno.com> Dave, I lost your e-mail in my last crash - Also - If there is any way I can help you with what happened yesterday - let me know. As of now, I am planning on going to Orwell this weekend. Send me your e-mail. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ May is Motorcycle Awareness Month. (_o_) "Look twice - Save a life". From nick at holden1.net Mon May 29 10:19:51 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:19:51 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Battery's Message-ID: <447B2D37.000003.03884@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Can any one tell me the best size battery AH etc To run my R&V engine on I have just had a new 6 volt on but the spark out of the coil was not very good Have now got the battery on charge to try again I am trying a 6 volt 10 AH is this going to be able to run All weekend on Regards Nick Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun May 28 16:50:59 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:50:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Another New Toy Message-ID: <000e01c682b1$92e65a30$62f2eedc@fred> On last Saturday we finally collected our rarest engine ,it is a Vertical Hot Bulb Blackstone, we have been after one of these for years,unloaded it on sunday morning and it was running 2 hours later.,these are rare in Australia as only 5 came into the country and there are only a small number left in the world. I have put some photos on our web site .http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon May 29 06:31:38 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:31:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Another New Toy Message-ID: <003601c68324$3987cbe0$62f2eedc@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Another New Toy On last Saturday we finally collected our rarest engine ,it is a Vertical Hot Bulb Blackstone, we have been after one of these for years,unloaded it on sunday morning and it was running 2 hours later.,these are rare in Australia as only 5 came into the country and there are only a small number left in the world. I have put some photos on our web site .http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 29 11:01:39 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:01:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Battery's In-Reply-To: <447B2D37.000003.03884@YOUR-447023AE6B> References: <447B2D37.000003.03884@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060529135714.02bb6d38@mail.alltel.net> Hi Nick, 12 volts will not hurt anything and will give you a hotter spark. I use a 12 volt on my 1915 low tension Galloway and also on my high tension Domestic. Dave At 01:19 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: >Hi > >Can any one tell me the best size battery AH etc > >To run my R&V engine on I have just had a new > >6 volt on but the spark out of the coil was not very good > >Have now got the battery on charge to try again > >I am trying a 6 volt 10 AH is this going to be able to run > >All weekend on > > > >Regards Nick > > > >Nick > >Banbury (UK) > >http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 29 17:22:50 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 19:22:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Battery's In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060529135714.02bb6d38@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002c01c6837f$31700cf0$9400a8c0@sheeba> Yup - I run 2 - 6 volt gel-cell batteries (like from a computer UPS) in series to give me 12v. Lasts all weekend, good hot spark. NO coil damage or problems. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 1:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Battery's Hi Nick, 12 volts will not hurt anything and will give you a hotter spark. I use a 12 volt on my 1915 low tension Galloway and also on my high tension Domestic. Dave At 01:19 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: >Hi > >Can any one tell me the best size battery AH etc > >To run my R&V engine on I have just had a new > >6 volt on but the spark out of the coil was not very good > >Have now got the battery on charge to try again > >I am trying a 6 volt 10 AH is this going to be able to run > >All weekend on > > > >Regards Nick > > > >Nick > >Banbury (UK) > >http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon May 29 18:46:32 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:46:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Battery's Message-ID: <20060529.214648.876.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Nick, I use a Sealed Lead Battery (probably a Gell Cell) #Gp 1272 F2 12V 7.2 Ah CSB Battery Co., Ltd. Made in Taiwan I've been using it on my Ideal running battery & buzz coil. I think I charged it once in 4 years. But then - I only run the Ideal about 4 - 6 days a year. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ May is Motorcycle Awareness Month. (_o_) "Look twice - Save a life". From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 29 20:38:57 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:38:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dave David In-Reply-To: <20060529.132434.1140.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060529.132434.1140.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060529233506.02c71868@mail.alltel.net> Hi Joe, At 01:24 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: >Dave, > >I lost your e-mail in my last crash - I'm at rotigel at alltel.net >Also - If there is any way I can help you with what happened yesterday - >let me know. I'm not aware of anything that happened yesterday with which I need help. Please let me know EXACTLY what happened so that I can at least worry a bit! >As of now, I am planning on going to Orwell this weekend. I've got a weekend off--then it's off to SIAM! >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 29 20:49:21 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:49:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060626120714.0211b378@herculesengines.com> References: <4475BD69.7000102@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060626120714.0211b378@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060529233945.02c7f910@mail.alltel.net> Hi Keith, I'll be there and will be bringing an Ottawa Drag saw that I intend to use to make "rounds" about one/two inch thick. What are the chances of someone (that's you, white man) bringing an oak log or two for me to work on. (Or letting me know who to contact in order to obtain such raw material.) I'd need two of them 8 to 10 feet long and 15 to 20 inches (or so) in dia. Dave PS, I was at the Wapakoneta show this weekend and the Ottawa went through a 28 5/8" black oak log in about 10 minutes. I've sharpened the blade for SIAM! At 01:15 PM 6/26/2006, you wrote: >I don't have a source for the cedar logs and your right, the smell and >color are nice. But, this winter dad and I started clearing a field that >had not been cropped for about 15 years. It had grown up with a bunch of >4-6" trees. We cut them in 8-12' lengths and set them aside planning on >cutting them into firewood, or disks, at the SIAM show. We have a large >pickup load. With at least 3 saw rigs going we should be able to cut them >into fire wood in about a half hour.:-) With disks and less aggressive >cutting they should last the weekend. > >Who all is planning on coming to SIAM? So far I know of Curt, Mike, >Glenn, Andy and myself. Any others? > >Keith >www.herculesengines.com > >At 09:21 AM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >>Andy Glines wrote: >> >>> I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some cedar >>> logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the cedar logs >>> or any other slabs for that matter. >> >>Andy, >>What I have traditionally done is cut up small cedar trees of 6 to 8" in >>diameter. I cut these wafers about a 1/2" thick. The purple heart and >>great smell of cedar is found neat by most spectators. Generally as fast >>as I can cut these the spectators are taking them home with them. >>Eventually I would like to make a Cotton Ginning Days logo brand that >>could be burned into the wafers. I think your blacksmith already has done >>this with a SIAM brand. >>Curt >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Keith Kinney >Evansville, Indiana USA >www.HerculesEngines.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 30 04:08:55 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:08:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Battery's In-Reply-To: <447B2D37.000003.03884@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <20060530110852.YZQB19512.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Nick, I use a 12v gel-cell and the low-tension side of an automotive coil on my 1hp R&V and on the 12hp as well. Both run fine but I get much better battery life on the 12hp, probably because it fires a lot less than the little one :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Can any one tell me the best size battery AH etc To run my R&V engine on I have just had a new 6 volt on but the spark out of the coil was not very good Have now got the battery on charge to try again I am trying a 6 volt 10 AH is this going to be able to run All weekend on Regards Nick From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 30 04:55:46 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:55:46 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Another New Toy In-Reply-To: <000e01c682b1$92e65a30$62f2eedc@fred> Message-ID: <20060530115542.RFZA25409.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Brian, A nice find. They are a nice, rare engine. A mate of mine has almost all of one but it is a little sad. It will run again one day. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03052522.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03070609.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03052525.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- On last Saturday we finally collected our rarest engine ,it is a Vertical Hot Bulb Blackstone, we have been after one of these for years,unloaded it on sunday morning and it was running 2 hours later.,these are rare in Australia as only 5 came into the country and there are only a small number left in the world. I have put some photos on our web site .http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 30 06:51:00 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:51:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dave David Message-ID: <20060530.095627.280.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave Rotigel, I misspelled Dave Davis, That was meant for him. The message got through and I got his reply. Thanks for replying. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ May is Motorcycle Awareness Month. (_o_) "Look twice - Save a life". From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue May 30 11:42:53 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:42:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report Message-ID: <009d01c68418$dc93e7c0$4f704047@pengy> This Friday, June 2 we are planning to move the LP cylinder, HP cylinder, HP connecting rod and throttle valve assembly from storage at V&M Star Steel in Girard, OH to the museum site in Youngstown. This is about 85,000 lbs. worth of parts and still leaves 180,000 lbs. worth of parts at V&M Star to be moved later this summer. We will have a 50 ton crane and two semi trucks Friday and I will of course post photos in a Webshots album once the move is complete. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue May 30 11:49:22 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:49:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How many of you remember.... Message-ID: <00a801c68419$c47a3530$4f704047@pengy> How many of you were on the list when these cartoons were created by an SEL member about our project moving the Tod Engine? These are from 1995 or 96. Who is that man in suspenders? http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/todcartoon2.jpg http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/todcartoon1.jpg http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Todcartoon.jpg Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark From rbackus at ogdenpubs.com Tue May 30 12:35:21 2006 From: rbackus at ogdenpubs.com (Richard Backus) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:35:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <200605281600.k4SG06uq006089@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Tommy, we are indeed switching to a bimonthly schedule. It hasn't been an easy decision to make, but in the end it's really the best way to make sure GEM sticks around for years to come. As you noted, GEM used to be bimonthly, from 1966 until 1985, when it went monthly. If you look back at some of those issues from the 80s and 90s, you can see that the grass roots interest in old engines was on fire. For example, the August 1993 issue had 52 pages of ads. We rarely run half that many pages now. In many ways the hobby's peaked. That doesn't mean it's run its course, but that its big growth cycle is over and now we have to work with what's in front of us. I'm not any more excited about it than the rest of you, but assistant editor Erin Shipps and I see a chance to have more time to research and develop articles, and while we'll be cutting back on the number of issues, we're going to increase the number of editorial pages from where it stands now. I'm pretty confident that when the dust settles we'll discover that we have a better magazine, even if it's not coming to us as often as we'd like. And we'll be making sure that GEM is around for many years to come. Richard -- Richard S. Backus Editor-in-Chief/Farm Collectibles Farm Collector, Farm Collector Show Directory, Gas Engine Magazine and Steam Traction 1503 SW 42nd St. Topeka, KS 66609-1265 Phone: 785-274-4383 Fax: 785-274-4305 http://www.ogdenpubs.com http://www.farmcollector.com > From: > Reply-To: > Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:00:06 -0400 > To: > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28 > > I'm sure most of you have received your letter from the GEM as I have > noting the changes that will be made in the publication dates of the > GEM. We'll soon be going to a Bi Monthly publication meaning you'll get > one magazine every other month. I know that business dictates things > like this happen but I hate to see it. I can remember the days when it > was in the bi monthly format and it seemed like a long time between > issues. Steam Traction (for those of you that receive it) will be going > to a quarterly (3 month) publication date. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 30 12:47:02 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:47:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How many of you remember.... In-Reply-To: <00a801c68419$c47a3530$4f704047@pengy> References: <00a801c68419$c47a3530$4f704047@pengy> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060530154152.02c88600@mail.alltel.net> Where in the hell did that little 2 ton flywheel come from? Dave PS, Never saw these before. Who did them? At 02:49 PM 5/30/2006, you wrote: >How many of you were on the list when these cartoons were created by an >SEL member about our project moving the Tod Engine? These are from 1995 >or 96. Who is that man in suspenders? > >http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/todcartoon2.jpg > >http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/todcartoon1.jpg > >http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Todcartoon.jpg > >Rick Rowlands From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 30 12:36:45 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: GEM Bimonthly Schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Richard, > Tommy, we are indeed switching to a bimonthly schedule. It hasn't been an > easy decision to make, but in the end it's really the best way to make sure > GEM sticks around for years to come. As you noted, GEM used to be bimonthly, > from 1966 until 1985, when it went monthly. If you look back at some of > those issues from the 80s and 90s, you can see that the grass roots interest > in old engines was on fire. For example, the August 1993 issue had 52 pages > of ads. We rarely run half that many pages now. In many ways the hobby's > peaked. That doesn't mean it's run its course, but that its big growth cycle > is over and now we have to work with what's in front of us. I'm not sure that I'd agree that the old engine hobby has peaked. Rather, I think GEM (and other similar "interest" mags) are feeling the effects of the net. In the 80's and 90's folks would send you a roll of film with a brief show report. There would be many of those. Today, folks whip out a web page show report with words and photos in a matter of hours after returning from a show. The "news" of the show report gets distributed world-wide via a number of forums like this one. The timeliness of that medium is impossible to match with a printed magazine. The net has also forever changed the way a lot of old iron is bought and sold. Engines are advertised on a variety of "Classified Ad" pages or put up for sale on eBay. Finally, the "what is it" or "how do I" types of questions are now posted and answered in minutes via the net. Those three categories alone represent a chunk of displaced content for GEM (and the other mags). > I'm not any more excited about it than the rest of you, but assistant editor > Erin Shipps and I see a chance to have more time to research and develop > articles, and while we'll be cutting back on the number of issues, we're > going to increase the number of editorial pages from where it stands now. > I'm pretty confident that when the dust settles we'll discover that we have > a better magazine, even if it's not coming to us as often as we'd like. And > we'll be making sure that GEM is around for many years to come. My guess is that GEM will evolve to include far more editorial-generated content and far less of the "this was our local show" or "here's my new engine" content that was in many of the older issues. It may be a bit tricky identifying just what the "new GEM" should look like and managing the transition in format, but I for one am looking forward to the "newer and better" GEM. Good luck! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue May 30 14:35:29 2006 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:35:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine shows Message-ID: <003001c68430$fae6e390$35482f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Everyone, With you all discussing tactics for the comming shows , I must say that I have spent the evening loading up for the trip to Holland to exhibit at the international show at Nunen which is beside Eindhoven. This is the biggest engine only show in mainland europe. Don't know if anyone from over the pond is planning on attending , but it is well worth seeing. If anyone is do be sure to have a chat with us , we'll be easyily found as I'll have a Scottish flag flying. See ya , Craig in Scotland Ps; Nev Beaty should be beside us as well From oldironnut at alltel.net Tue May 30 14:39:10 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:39:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fun with the Famous Message-ID: <20060530213910.FGSE26070.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Howdy all, I'm in the process of trying to get my 1907 4 hp IHC Famous ready for its debut at the SIAM show in a couple of weeks. One of the main projects for this weekend was to get the fuel system fully functional. I also played with the governor springs and got her ticking along at 82 rpm and firing once every 24 to 26 revolutions with 18 seconds between hits. Ah, life is good! Now to get the water system going! She won't be sawing wood for SIAM but at least she'll be running nicely. Mike From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 30 15:07:11 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:07:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] engine shows In-Reply-To: <003001c68430$fae6e390$35482f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <003001c68430$fae6e390$35482f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060530180614.02cd3e90@mail.alltel.net> > See ya , Craig in Scotland > > Ps; Nev Beaty should be beside us as well Hi Craig, May God help you and protect you during this ordeal! Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 30 16:20:34 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:20:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron Message-ID: <447CD342.6070908@scrtc.com> I just brought this home. I've owned it for a number of years but its been in IL sitting in a barn. I went this weekend and picked it up: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284937 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284940 I'm not sure how much it was run but from the looks of the gearing, not a great deal: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284938 I haven't seen rod oiler on other IHC engines. I'm sure its the original. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284943 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 30 16:52:57 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:52:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron In-Reply-To: <447CD342.6070908@scrtc.com> References: <447CD342.6070908@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060530195204.02d2de40@mail.alltel.net> Looks GREAT Tommy. Will it be at Portland this year? Dave At 07:20 PM 5/30/2006, you wrote: > I just brought this home. I've owned it for a number of years but its > been in IL sitting in a barn. I went this weekend and picked it up: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284937 >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284940 > > > I'm not sure how much it was run but from the looks of the gearing, > not a great deal: >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284938 > > > I haven't seen rod oiler on other IHC engines. I'm sure its the original. >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284943 > >Tommy Turner From oiseming at moscow.com Tue May 30 17:11:32 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:11:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron In-Reply-To: <447CD342.6070908@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200605310011.k4V0Bn1U092584@mail-gw.fsr.net> Tommy, it is a beauty! Good for you! Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron I just brought this home. I've owned it for a number of years but its been in IL sitting in a barn. I went this weekend and picked it up: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284937 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284940 I'm not sure how much it was run but from the looks of the gearing, not a great deal: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284938 I haven't seen rod oiler on other IHC engines. I'm sure its the original. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=74284943 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 30 17:59:12 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:29:12 +0930 Subject: [SEL] engine shows References: <003001c68430$fae6e390$35482f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <003f01c6844d$6e922ea0$dac88890@chaos> http://home.hetnet.nl/~antonvandercruijsen/ has the flyer for that show, and great pics from previous years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:05 AM Subject: [SEL] engine shows Hi Everyone, With you all discussing tactics for the comming shows , I must say that I have spent the evening loading up for the trip to Holland to exhibit at the international show at Nunen which is beside Eindhoven. This is the biggest engine only show in mainland europe. Don't know if anyone from over the pond is planning on attending , but it is well worth seeing. If anyone is do be sure to have a chat with us , we'll be easyily found as I'll have a Scottish flag flying. See ya , Craig in Scotland Ps; Nev Beaty should be beside us as well _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 30 19:39:28 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:39:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060530195204.02d2de40@mail.alltel.net> References: <447CD342.6070908@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060530195204.02d2de40@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <447D01E0.2000202@scrtc.com> Doubtful Dave. I probably won't have time to go through it, make tanks, etc. before late August. I haven't thought yet about what I'll bring. I'll have to dig something out of the shed. I might get to make it to SIAM on Friday (I have something scheduled for Sat.) If so, I hope to see you and others in a week and half. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Looks GREAT Tommy. Will it be at Portland this year? > Dave From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue May 30 19:54:29 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:54:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron Message-ID: <3c1.2ff083a.31ae5f65@aol.com> Tommy, Good to hear you are going to be at the SIAM show, I haven't seen you since the RPRU in Lebanon, TN. last year. See'ya, Bill Miller. -------------------------------1149044068 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue May 30 20:24:44 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 03:24:44 -0000 Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060529233945.02c7f910@mail.alltel.net> References: <4475BD69.7000102@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060626120714.0211b378@herculesengines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060529233945.02c7f910@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060630222259.0212fe30@herculesengines.com> Dave Sounds like a great display. Glenn has volunteered to bring you some logs. I think I'll try to bring our Economy log saw. We've never tried to actually cut a log with it. Keith At 10:49 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: >Hi Keith, > I'll be there and will be bringing an Ottawa Drag saw that > I intend to use to make "rounds" about one/two inch thick. What are > the chances of someone (that's you, white man) bringing an oak log > or two for me to work on. (Or letting me know who to contact in > order to obtain such raw material.) I'd need two of them 8 to 10 > feet long and 15 to 20 inches (or so) in dia. > Dave >PS, I was at the Wapakoneta show this weekend and the Ottawa went >through a 28 5/8" black oak log in about 10 minutes. I've sharpened >the blade for SIAM! > >At 01:15 PM 6/26/2006, you wrote: >>I don't have a source for the cedar logs and your right, the smell >>and color are nice. But, this winter dad and I started clearing a >>field that had not been cropped for about 15 years. It had grown >>up with a bunch of 4-6" trees. We cut them in 8-12' lengths and >>set them aside planning on cutting them into firewood, or disks, at >>the SIAM show. We have a large pickup load. With at least 3 saw >>rigs going we should be able to cut them into fire wood in about a >>half hour.:-) With disks and less aggressive cutting they should >>last the weekend. >> >>Who all is planning on coming to SIAM? So far I know of Curt, >>Mike, Glenn, Andy and myself. Any others? >> >>Keith >>www.herculesengines.com >> >>At 09:21 AM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >>>Andy Glines wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some >>>> cedar logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the >>>> cedar logs or any other slabs for that matter. >>> >>>Andy, >>>What I have traditionally done is cut up small cedar trees of 6 to >>>8" in diameter. I cut these wafers about a 1/2" thick. The purple >>>heart and great smell of cedar is found neat by most spectators. >>>Generally as fast as I can cut these the spectators are taking >>>them home with them. >>>Eventually I would like to make a Cotton Ginning Days logo brand >>>that could be burned into the wafers. I think your blacksmith >>>already has done this with a SIAM brand. >>>Curt >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>Keith Kinney >>Evansville, Indiana USA >>www.HerculesEngines.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From oiseming at moscow.com Tue May 30 20:49:06 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:49:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] engine shows In-Reply-To: <003f01c6844d$6e922ea0$dac88890@chaos> Message-ID: <200605310350.k4V3nNZj061367@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of derek Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] engine shows Hi Everyone, With you all discussing tactics for the comming shows , I must say that I have spent the evening loading up for the trip to Holland to exhibit at the international show at Nunen which is beside Eindhoven. This is the biggest engine only show in mainland europe. Don't know if anyone from over the pond is planning on attending , but it is well worth seeing. If anyone is do be sure to have a chat with us , we'll be easyily found as I'll have a Scottish flag flying. See ya , Craig in Scotland Ps; Nev Beaty should be beside us as well ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Here's hoping you can take some pictures you can post, later. The Nunen pics from previous years have been the most interesting and spectacular engine pictures to come down the pike. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Wed May 31 04:11:16 2006 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:11:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] engine shows Message-ID: <4b1.858edd.31aed3d4@aol.com> Hi Craig Ron Irving from Oz will be there he is originally from your part of the world so keep an eye out for an Aussie with a scots accent. I will be in Glasgow in August maybe I will see you you there Peter Woodmore. peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name Woadmere --part1_4b1.858edd.31aed3d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Craig
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Skype name Woadmere From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed May 31 05:12:19 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:12:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fun with the Famous References: <20060530213910.FGSE26070.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <007901c684ab$77f72f00$3c84dccb@oemcomputer> Been doing much the same only on my 10HP Famous.To take to the Manilla show.Spent today making a new fuel tank.Once this is done and fitted and piped up it will be ready to go.I have got it ticking over at 120rpm,not bad for a throttler. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:39 Subject: [SEL] Fun with the Famous > Howdy all, > > I'm in the process of trying to get my 1907 4 hp IHC Famous ready for its debut at the SIAM show in a couple of weeks. One of the main projects for this weekend was to get the fuel system fully functional. I also played with the governor springs and got her ticking along at 82 rpm and firing once every 24 to 26 revolutions with 18 seconds between hits. Ah, life is good! Now to get the water system going! She won't be sawing wood for SIAM but at least she'll be running nicely. > > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed May 31 08:52:28 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:52:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060630222259.0212fe30@herculesengines.com> References: <4475BD69.7000102@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060626120714.0211b378@herculesengines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060529233945.02c7f910@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060630222259.0212fe30@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060531114704.02cdf2c8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Keith, GREAT! I have a Witte drag saw also, but I need to have the WICO rebuilt so I guess that I'll leave that one at home. I don't know too much about operating a drag saw, but WC (at the Cotton Ginning Show last year) showed me lots of tips that I can pass along to you. See you on Thursday the 8th. I should pull in about 5:00/6:00 pm! Dave PS, I'm in the market for a Hercules built drag saw. Keep me in mind! At 11:24 PM 6/30/2006, you wrote: >Dave >Sounds like a great display. Glenn has volunteered to bring you some >logs. I think I'll try to bring our Economy log saw. We've never tried >to actually cut a log with it. >Keith > > > >At 10:49 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Keith, >> I'll be there and will be bringing an Ottawa Drag saw that I >> intend to use to make "rounds" about one/two inch thick. What are the >> chances of someone (that's you, white man) bringing an oak log or two >> for me to work on. (Or letting me know who to contact in order to obtain >> such raw material.) I'd need two of them 8 to 10 feet long and 15 to 20 >> inches (or so) in dia. >> Dave >>PS, I was at the Wapakoneta show this weekend and the Ottawa went through >>a 28 5/8" black oak log in about 10 minutes. I've sharpened the blade for SIAM! >> >>At 01:15 PM 6/26/2006, you wrote: >>>I don't have a source for the cedar logs and your right, the smell and >>>color are nice. But, this winter dad and I started clearing a field >>>that had not been cropped for about 15 years. It had grown up with a >>>bunch of 4-6" trees. We cut them in 8-12' lengths and set them aside >>>planning on cutting them into firewood, or disks, at the SIAM show. We >>>have a large pickup load. With at least 3 saw rigs going we should be >>>able to cut them into fire wood in about a half hour.:-) With disks and >>>less aggressive cutting they should last the weekend. >>> >>>Who all is planning on coming to SIAM? So far I know of Curt, Mike, >>>Glenn, Andy and myself. Any others? >>> >>>Keith >>>www.herculesengines.com >>> >>>At 09:21 AM 5/25/2006, you wrote: >>>>Andy Glines wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some cedar >>>>> logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the cedar logs >>>>> or any other slabs for that matter. >>>> >>>>Andy, >>>>What I have traditionally done is cut up small cedar trees of 6 to 8" >>>>in diameter. I cut these wafers about a 1/2" thick. The purple heart >>>>and great smell of cedar is found neat by most spectators. Generally as >>>>fast as I can cut these the spectators are taking them home with them. >>>>Eventually I would like to make a Cotton Ginning Days logo brand that >>>>could be burned into the wafers. I think your blacksmith already has >>>>done this with a SIAM brand. >>>>Curt >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>>Keith Kinney >>>Evansville, Indiana USA >>>www.HerculesEngines.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Keith Kinney >Evansville, Indiana USA >www.HerculesEngines.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 31 11:15:21 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:15:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron Message-ID: <491.1755735.31af3739@aol.com> In a message dated 5/30/2006 7:45:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: << I just brought this home >> Tommy, That is a nice 6 Famous. The rod greaser is new to me. Can you tell me a little about it. Never see one with windows to let you see how much grease is left! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 31 12:04:20 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:04:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More Rusty Iron In-Reply-To: <491.1755735.31af3739@aol.com> References: <491.1755735.31af3739@aol.com> Message-ID: <447DE8B4.1080906@scrtc.com> Tom, Actually it contained oil instead of grease. The oil would sling around inside and there was the adjustment on top to set how much was allowed down into the rod to oil the bearing. I've never seen one on an International like it before. The rod oilers were sometimes a bit messy. Grease would "ooze" out around the bearing and would sling off in a glob and would pretty much stay where it landed. With the oiler, the excess would sling off in drops and would end up running on down the rear, sides and anywhere else on the engine. The rod oilers are a neat feature though. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >In a message dated 5/30/2006 7:45:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > ><< I just brought this home >> > > >Tommy, > >That is a nice 6 Famous. The rod greaser is new to me. Can you tell me a >little about it. Never see one with windows to let you see how much grease is >left! > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed May 31 13:46:23 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:46:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL SIAM Classic Iron In-Reply-To: <200605311600.k4VG051X022827@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Sounds like Keith and Glenn have things covered. I could bring some drag saw logs if I need to. I also might have a line on a couple of little cedar trees. I'll try to remember to ask about them. >------------------------------ > >Message: 15 >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:24:31 -0500 >From: Keith Kinney >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: SIAM Classic Iron >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060630222259.0212fe30 at herculesengines.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Dave >Sounds like a great display. Glenn has volunteered to bring you some >logs. I think I'll try to bring our Economy log saw. We've never >tried to actually cut a log with it. >Keith > > > >At 10:49 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: > >Hi Keith, > > I'll be there and will be bringing an Ottawa Drag saw that > > I intend to use to make "rounds" about one/two inch thick. What are > > the chances of someone (that's you, white man) bringing an oak log > > or two for me to work on. (Or letting me know who to contact in > > order to obtain such raw material.) I'd need two of them 8 to 10 > > feet long and 15 to 20 inches (or so) in dia. > > Dave > >PS, I was at the Wapakoneta show this weekend and the Ottawa went > >through a 28 5/8" black oak log in about 10 minutes. I've sharpened > >the blade for SIAM! > > > >At 01:15 PM 6/26/2006, you wrote: > >>I don't have a source for the cedar logs and your right, the smell > >>and color are nice. But, this winter dad and I started clearing a > >>field that had not been cropped for about 15 years. It had grown > >>up with a bunch of 4-6" trees. We cut them in 8-12' lengths and > >>set them aside planning on cutting them into firewood, or disks, at > >>the SIAM show. We have a large pickup load. With at least 3 saw > >>rigs going we should be able to cut them into fire wood in about a > >>half hour.:-) With disks and less aggressive cutting they should > >>last the weekend. > >> > >>Who all is planning on coming to SIAM? So far I know of Curt, > >>Mike, Glenn, Andy and myself. Any others? > >> > >>Keith > >>www.herculesengines.com > >> > >>At 09:21 AM 5/25/2006, you wrote: > >>>Andy Glines wrote: > >>> > >>>> I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. We may have some > >>>> cedar logs for the sawmill. You could saw up the slabs from the > >>>> cedar logs or any other slabs for that matter. > >>> > >>>Andy, > >>>What I have traditionally done is cut up small cedar trees of 6 to > >>>8" in diameter. I cut these wafers about a 1/2" thick. The purple > >>>heart and great smell of cedar is found neat by most spectators. > >>>Generally as fast as I can cut these the spectators are taking > >>>them home with them. > >>>Eventually I would like to make a Cotton Ginning Days logo brand > >>>that could be burned into the wafers. I think your blacksmith > >>>already has done this with a SIAM brand. > >>>Curt > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >>Keith Kinney > >>Evansville, Indiana USA > >>www.HerculesEngines.com From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue May 30 18:26:09 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:26:09 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Another New Toy References: <20060530115542.RFZA25409.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001901c68451$3a726230$dc27693a@fred> Hi Patrick, do you know the Bore size and engine No. as stamped on crankshaft end ? it looks like it may be the samesize as our engine. Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ > all of one but it is a little sad. It will run again one day. > > > > On last Saturday we finally collected our rarest engine ,it is a Vertical > Hot Bulb Blackstone, we have been after one of these for years,unloaded it > on sunday morning and it was running 2 hours later.,these are rare in > Australia as only 5 came into the country and there are only a small > number > left in the world. > I have put some photos on our web site > .http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ > Brian & David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03)97266147 > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > Web Site > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.4/351 - Release Date: 29/05/2006 > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 31 20:48:29 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:48:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebay Item Message-ID: <447E638D.6070207@scrtc.com> Here is a pretty neat set up that's on ebay. The CH&E Engines are hard to come by and I've never seen one with a direct connected pump outfit. The item number is: 7624035325 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed May 31 21:54:46 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:54:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ebay Item Message-ID: <20060531.215446.676.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Tommy. That is a really nice unit, would make a great display. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 31 May 2006 23:48:29 -0400 Judge Tommy Turner writes: > Here is a pretty neat set up that's on ebay. The CH&E Engines are > hard > to come by and I've never seen one with a direct connected pump > outfit. > The item number is: > > 7624035325 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY