The IHC M 3 HP, I acquired recently, has been identified as an=20 understrike igniter model. After getting the engine, I ordered and=20 received an IHC manual. There were several things in the manual that=20 didn't seem to make sense to me. The pictures of the cam mechanism (in= the=20 manual) didn't look like the same items on my engine.

Thanks through the efforts of Brian Mellon and DeWayne Boggs, t= hey=20 were able to correctly identify the engine. DeWayne also let me know t= hat=20 many of the parts are unique to this engine and are NOT interchangeable with= =20 other igniter IHC M 3HP models. I was just about to order some items f= or=20 the engine but I wasn't fully positive they would fit. It was I g= ood=20 thing that I asked about the incompatibilty between the manual (overstrike=20 model) and my engine (understrike) before placing the order.=20

Since the engine came without an igniter, fuel pump, crankcase=20 breather, or magneto, does anyone know where I obtain these=20 items?

The more I get into this hobby, the more I learn about oth= er=20 collectors who are willing to share their wealth of knowledge with others.&n= bsp;=20 I also have learned that engine manufacturers made design changes within the= =20 same production run which are not readily apparent to the novice (like=20 me).

Again thanks to the list for sharing.=20

Francis=20 Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

From mogul460 at localnet.com Mon Mar 13 10:34:23 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:34:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3HP Indentification References: <1ac.49b3ce04.3146fd1d@aol.com> Message-ID: <000801c646cc$c068bc80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3HP Indentification > Hi List, > The IHC M 3 HP, I acquired recently, has been identified as an understrike > igniter model. After getting the engine, I ordered and received an IHC > manual. There were several things in the manual that didn't seem to make sense to > me. The pictures of the cam mechanism (in the manual) didn't look like the > same items on my engine. > Thanks through the efforts of Brian Mellon and DeWayne Boggs, they were able > to correctly identify the engine. DeWayne also let me know that many of the > parts are unique to this engine and are NOT interchangeable with other > igniter IHC M 3HP models. I was just about to order some items for the engine but > I wasn't fully positive they would fit. It was I good thing that I asked > about the incompatibilty between the manual (overstrike model) and my engine > (understrike) before placing the order. > Since the engine came without an igniter, fuel pump, crankcase breather, or > magneto, does anyone know where I obtain these items? > The more I get into this hobby, the more I learn about other collectors who > are willing to share their wealth of knowledge with others. I also have > learned that engine manufacturers made design changes within the same production > run which are not readily apparent to the novice (like me). > Again thanks to the list for sharing. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > > -------------------------------1142268701 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > Arial"=20 > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> e_document=20 > face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> >

Hi List,

The IHC M 3 HP, I acquired recently, has been identified as an=20 > understrike igniter model. After getting the engine, I ordered and=20 > received an IHC manual. There were several things in the manual that=20 > didn't seem to make sense to me. The pictures of the cam mechanism (in= > the=20 > manual) didn't look like the same items on my engine. DIV> >

Thanks through the efforts of Brian Mellon and DeWayne Boggs, t= > hey=20 > were able to correctly identify the engine. DeWayne also let me know t= > hat=20 > many of the parts are unique to this engine and are NOT interchangeable with= > =20 > other igniter IHC M 3HP models. I was just about to order some items f= > or=20 > the engine but I wasn't fully positive they would fit. It was I g= > ood=20 > thing that I asked about the incompatibilty between the manual (overstrike=20 > model) and my engine (understrike) before placing the order.=20 >

Since the engine came without an igniter, fuel pump, crankcase=20 > breather, or magneto, does anyone know where I obtain these=20 > items?

The more I get into this hobby, the more I learn about oth= > er=20 > collectors who are willing to share their wealth of knowledge with others.&n= > bsp;=20 > I also have learned that engine manufacturers made design changes within the= > =20 > same production run which are not readily apparent to the novice (like=20 > me).

Again thanks to the list for sharing.=20 >

>
>Francis=20 > Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

Hi List,

Since the engine came without an igniter, fuel pump, crankcase=20 > breather, or magneto, does anyone know where I obtain these=20 > items?

Again thanks to the list for sharing.=20 >

>
>Francis=20 > Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

L> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/277 - Release Date: 3/8/06 > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Mar 13 10:33:58 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:33:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008301c646cc$b3072360$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Very nice, Mike! You boys do good work. Also, my compliments to your barn door muralist. Rob From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Mar 13 10:55:50 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:55:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] INTERNATIONAL UNDERSTRIKES In-Reply-To: <000c01c646a9$e55f4040$2c5428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <200603131856.k2DIu3Jx096714@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of DeWayne & Casey Boggs Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 6:25 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] INTERNATIONAL UNDERSTRIKES Does anyone know of anything out there on the subject of understrikes??? Just talked to a gentleman who HAD one. Since none of his numbers matched up to anything and there wasn't any info out there, he just basically junked one. He broke the flywheels and just about everything else on the engine. I just wish on that type of engine, there was more info out there so these rare type of engines don't get destroyed. Thanks DeWayne & Casey Boggs _______________________________________________ I have a basket case 3 h.p. IHC understrike I hope to restore, some day, and have collected several e-mails about them. If you are interested, I could send them to you by private e-mail. If there is enough interest, I could post them to the list, but hesitate doing so, now. It would turn out to be a rather large post. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 13 11:19:59 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:19:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig In-Reply-To: References: <005201c64524$de181fe0$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <4415C5DF.3080505@imc-group.com> Mike, Great documentation of a neat old iron moment! Is Lincoln at the helm of the tractor jockeying your valuable Osborn to the cart? You are a brave and trusting dad relinquishing control to a 12 year old lad. I couldn't do it..... Are you doing a screen cooler or a tank cooler? Curt Michael Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > We had a GREAT engine weekend. Most of the restoration of the buzz > saw cart is complete so it was time to mount the 1907 4 hp Famous on > the cart. The engine was on a sub base so we removed it from that, > placed it on some blocks to get things measured out like we wanted, > cut and drilled the mounting holes in the oak boards, bolted the > engine to the boards and then mounted it all on the cart. The whole > event went about as smoothly as anything I've done with old iron in a > while. I've put a few pictures up at > . > Today while it was pouring rain outside we sat and listened to it > chuff away. There is still quite a bit to do to complete the whole > project but we're very excited about where things are at this point! > > Ah, life is good! > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Mar 13 12:22:38 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:22:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig In-Reply-To: <44157C6F.8060507@imc-group.com> References: <005201c64524$de181fe0$240110ac@PAUL2> <4414D440.1010802@scrtc.com> <44157C6F.8060507@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4415D48E.9010000@scrtc.com> Yup, I gave it a try. I can never compare to the workhorse Holland family though. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy, > I seem to recall you testing out a Famous saw rig at an Elementary > school in Midway. I think you had a real knack for it. > Curt Holland > From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Mar 13 12:50:39 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:50:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: <200603131700.k2DH04se004492@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: > 1. Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT (Dave Rotigel) > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:13:34 -0500 >From: Dave Rotigel >Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90 at mail.alltel.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Hi All, > While at the Zolfo Show a week or so ago I picked up a nice old tap and >die set made by Wiley & Russell (Greenfield, Mass.) (It's got to be rather >old because the 1/2 " die indicated 12 threads per inch!) The set goes from >1/4" to 3/4" and each die (while removable) has it's own handle! The set is >in a nice old wooden box measuring 37 1/4" X 10 3/4" X 3". > Now my question. Each die has 1/32 stamped (or perhaps engraved) into it. >What does this 1/32 stand for/mean? Any help on this will be appreciated! > Dave I suspect that the 1/32 oversize set is exactly what Paul's friend used them for. Before we had helicoils and arc welding the easiest way to fix a damaged threaded hole would be to put oversized threads in it. If you tap a hole oversize you will need the dies to make a new bolt to match. We do this on steam boilers sometimes. If the threads go bad in a hole in the boiler sometimes we can simply thread in the tapered NPT tap farther to make deeper threads. Since the hole/threads are now oversized a new fitting will be made to match. 12 pitch was popular on steam engines for several different diameter bolts. 1/2-12 is easily the most troublesome with today's standard of 1/2-13. My Huber has some 1/2-12 and a friend told me that his Port Huron had quite a few 1/2-12 bolts. Your tap could be handy when you go to work on a half-breed engine. From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Mar 13 13:17:30 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:17:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig In-Reply-To: <4415C5DF.3080505@imc-group.com> References: <005201c64524$de181fe0$240110ac@PAUL2> <4415C5DF.3080505@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060313155541.0206cbc0@alltel.net> >Great documentation of a neat old iron moment! Is Lincoln at the >helm of the tractor jockeying your valuable Osborn to the cart? You >are a brave and trusting dad relinquishing control to a 12 year old >lad. I couldn't do it..... Yep that's Lincoln at the helm! He's got more experience with that particular tractor, clutch and hydraulic lift system than his grandfather and myself combined. So, for such an important job the man with the most experience deservedly got the job of all of the engine lifting and moving! Besides, he's 13 now not 12 :-)! >Are you doing a screen cooler or a tank cooler? It'll be a screen cooler setup with the same belt driven centrifugal water pump that Steve Royster's Famous has. See ya', Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Mar 13 13:36:46 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:36:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. For the Aussies. References: <200603131421750.SM00948@new.databak.co.za><001901c6469a$b27bbf00$1584dccb@oemcomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20060313091137.022cb6d0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001701c646e6$3b90b700$9184dccb@oemcomputer> Hay Dave.That's what a lot of us Ozzy's wanted to do to our bowlers. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:13 Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. For the Aussies. > Hi Edd, > It's still too early in the season for the crickets to be out here > in the Northern part of the USA. Another two months and we will be able to > play with them. Most of us simply use them for bait when fishing! > Dave > > At 07:36 AM 3/13/2006, you wrote: > >Hi Jerry.I stayed up all nite and watched the game.It finished here at about > >3.30 in the morning and yes it was one hell of a game of Cricket!!! > >EDD PAYNE > >PO BOX 364 GULGONG > >New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > >0263742387 > >edsingns at winsoft.net.au > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jerry Evans" > >To: > >Cc: > >Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:17 > >Subject: [SEL] O.T. For the Aussies. > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > Who watched the cricket yesterday? (S.A. vs. Australia). What an > > > incredible game! The count of records broken so far stands at about 12 > >with > > > others still coming up. It matters not who won - just such an incredible > >game. > > > This is not, strictly speaking "Off Topic" as I was working on my > > > Ronnie N listening to the game on the radio but it got so exciting that I > > > had to eventually stop and go into the house and watch it on TV. So it > > > delayed the restoration of the Ronnie by a good few hours and that makes > >it > > > "On Topic" !! > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > > Jerry Evans > > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > > > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > > > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > > > > > --- > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From CraigB2 at aol.com Mon Mar 13 14:07:54 2006 From: CraigB2 at aol.com (CraigB2 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:07:54 EST Subject: [SEL] Marine or Dragsaw 2 stroke? Message-ID: <1e9.4dbf075a.3147473a@aol.com> Hello list; I acquired a small watercooled two stroke single this weekend at the Sylmar CA Rusty Iron Swap meet. The flywheel is 9.5 inches diameter and the engine is 12-15" tall. Ignition is buzz coil to points mounted on a movable brass lever activated by a cam on the flywheel. The carb is brass and with some twiddling I got it to run. There is no name on any part that I can find. I looks too small to be off of a drag saw and maybe could have been a small inboard marine trolling motor. There is no water pump. Any ideas? If you have some info contact me and I will email you a picture. Thanks for your help. Craig Buzzell --part1_1e9.4dbf075a.3147473a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello list; I acquired a small watercoo= led two stroke single this weekend at the Sylmar CA Rusty Iron Swap meet. Th= e flywheel is 9.5 inches diameter and the engine is 12-15" tal= l. Ignition is buzz coil to points mounted on a movable brass lever a= ctivated by a cam on the flywheel. The carb is brass and with some tw= iddling I got it to run.
There is no name on any part that I can find. I looks too small to be off of= a drag saw and maybe could have been a small inboard marine trolling= motor. There is no water pump.
Any ideas?
If you have some info contact me and I will email you a picture.
Thanks for your help.
Craig Buzzell From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 13 16:32:27 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:32:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sweet References: Message-ID: <006601c646fe$c6698740$240110ac@PAUL2> Yeah Rick, I hear you. You know sometime you can be just plain mean. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Sweet > Jezz Mr. Maples...thought fer sure you'd jump on this one > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4618565396 > > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 13 17:09:11 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:09:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. For the Aussies. In-Reply-To: <001701c646e6$3b90b700$9184dccb@oemcomputer> References: <200603131421750.SM00948@new.databak.co.za> <001901c6469a$b27bbf00$1584dccb@oemcomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20060313091137.022cb6d0@mail.alltel.net> <001701c646e6$3b90b700$9184dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060313200409.0de95b90@mail.alltel.net> Hi Edd, We have bowlers here in the USA as well. The better ones roll an average of 270+, but most of them are well under 240. In my younger days they would have contests on TV, but I think those have been discontinued. I never had much interest in bowling even when it was on TV! Dave PS, What sort of fish do you fish for with Ozzy bowlers? At 04:36 PM 3/13/2006, you wrote: >Hay Dave.That's what a lot of us Ozzy's wanted to do to our bowlers. >EDD PAYNE >PO BOX 364 GULGONG >New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >0263742387 >edsingns at winsoft.net.au >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:13 >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. For the Aussies. > > > > Hi Edd, > > It's still too early in the season for the crickets to be out >here > > in the Northern part of the USA. Another two months and we will be able to > > play with them. Most of us simply use them for bait when fishing! > > Dave > > > > At 07:36 AM 3/13/2006, you wrote: > > >Hi Jerry.I stayed up all nite and watched the game.It finished here at >about > > >3.30 in the morning and yes it was one hell of a game of Cricket!!! > > >EDD PAYNE > > >PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > >New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > >0263742387 > > >edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Jerry Evans" > > >To: > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:17 > > >Subject: [SEL] O.T. For the Aussies. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > Who watched the cricket yesterday? (S.A. vs. Australia). What >an > > > > incredible game! The count of records broken so far stands at about 12 > > >with > > > > others still coming up. It matters not who won - just such an >incredible > > >game. > > > > This is not, strictly speaking "Off Topic" as I was working >on my > > > > Ronnie N listening to the game on the radio but it got so exciting >that I > > > > had to eventually stop and go into the house and watch it on TV. So it > > > > delayed the restoration of the Ronnie by a good few hours and that >makes > > >it > > > > "On Topic" !! > > > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > > > Jerry Evans > > > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > > > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > > > > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > > > > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > > > > > > > --- > > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mogul460 at localnet.com Mon Mar 13 17:21:28 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:21:28 -0500 Subject: Fw: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. Message-ID: <002901c64705$9e4bbc90$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. No maybe he means these questions asked on my Grand Father's Record of Birth dated 1874 : Place of Birth----- Street---- Child's Name---- Date of Birth---- Sex---Color--- Living or Stillborn--- No. of Child,1st,2nd,etc.----No. of Children of this mother still living--- Residence---- Street---- Father's Occupation---- Mother's Maiden Name---Color--- Age--- Mother's Residence---- Mother's Birthplace--- Mother's Occupation-- Name and address of Physician (or other person) reporting said birth----Date when received by Town Clerk---- Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine (where winter passed us by) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Croft" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 6:10 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "peter ogborne" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:59 AM >> Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. >> >> >>> Ok , I think the time has come for all SEL members to lay their cards on >>> the table. It would be good to know what we are dealing with so I would >>> like to ask all members to just let us know if they are Metro Sexual or >>> are they Rural Sexual. For my part I am becoming Rural Sexual but there >>> is still a bit of Metro hanging in there. >>> Peter Ogborne >>> Little Grove ,Albany >>> West Australia >>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> Hi Peter, Not quite sure what you are on about but I >> sure hope it doesn't involve any sheep! >> (I thought that only happened in New Zealand & Wales) >> Dave Croft >> Warrington >> England >> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/2006 >> >> > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/2006 From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 13 18:11:02 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:11:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Marine or Dragsaw 2 stroke? In-Reply-To: <1e9.4dbf075a.3147473a@aol.com> References: <1e9.4dbf075a.3147473a@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060313210821.02604d50@mail.alltel.net> Hi Craig, Look anything like this? http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/wardsaw/ Dave At 05:07 PM 3/13/2006, you wrote: >Hello list; I acquired a small watercooled two stroke single this weekend at >the Sylmar CA Rusty Iron Swap meet. The flywheel is 9.5 inches diameter and >the engine is 12-15" tall. Ignition is buzz coil to points mounted on a >movable brass lever activated by a cam on the flywheel. The carb is >brass and >with some twiddling I got it to run. >There is no name on any part that I can find. I looks too small to be off of >a drag saw and maybe could have been a small inboard marine trolling motor. >There is no water pump. >Any ideas? >If you have some info contact me and I will email you a picture. >Thanks for your help. >Craig Buzzell From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 13 18:33:59 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:33:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New butt buggy In-Reply-To: <20060313.083725.206.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060313.083725.206.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060313213314.0267ef80@mail.alltel.net> ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave >Hi Gus. Seat??? I knew I was forgetting something. and maybe some kind >of steering wheel? I just tackle one problem at a time, things fall into >place as I go. > >Ron Haskell From dotto at velocitus.net Mon Mar 13 19:52:41 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:52:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Falk piston pattern update In-Reply-To: <440FAE19.6000405@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001501c6471a$beff9320$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Tommy Thanks for the generous complements; it makes the work more rewarding. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:25 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Falk piston pattern update > > Dave, > Super work! I'm impressed as much with your work area as I am the > work. Its cleaner than my kitchen sink. Your patterns look great and I > can tell that little Falk is on the way to running. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Mar 13 21:24:16 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:24:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig In-Reply-To: References: <005201c64524$de181fe0$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <44165380.5090206@wightman.ca> Great pictures Mike. Really enjoyed them and I like the saw rig. Duncan Michael Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > We had a GREAT engine weekend. Most of the restoration of the buzz > saw cart is complete so it was time to mount the 1907 4 hp Famous on > the cart. The engine was on a sub base so we removed it from that, > placed it on some blocks to get things measured out like we wanted, > cut and drilled the mounting holes in the oak boards, bolted the > engine to the boards and then mounted it all on the cart. The whole > event went about as smoothly as anything I've done with old iron in a > while. I've put a few pictures up at > . > Today while it was pouring rain outside we sat and listened to it > chuff away. There is still quite a bit to do to complete the whole > project but we're very excited about where things are at this point! > > Ah, life is good! > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Mar 14 03:47:31 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:47:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Copper ring head gaskets Message-ID: <031420061147.8402.4416AD5300013102000020D2219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> I am putting the finishing touches on my Sandwich engine and not sure if I should reuse the orginal copper ring gasket again. It just doesn't seem smooth enough to keep a good seal even after some polishing. thanks in advance, Curt Andree From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Mar 14 03:49:23 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:49:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Can anyone help Jacky? Needs info for 1 1/2HP model K Stover Engine Message-ID: <4416ADC3.7010007@steamengine.com.au> Please reply directly to Jacky udorusa at pro-ns.net Regards Paul UDOR USA wrote: > Hello > > We have a 1 1/2HP model K Stover Engine. This model has a spark plug. Do > you know > > If the parts from the 2HP will interchange with the 1 1/2Hp model? > > Do you have parts like a magneto and rod assembly for our model? Thanks > for your time. > > JAcky > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 14 05:53:06 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:53:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Copper ring head gaskets In-Reply-To: <031420061147.8402.4416AD5300013102000020D2219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <031420061147.8402.4416AD5300013102000020D2219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4416CAC2.6050401@imc-group.com> Curt, Paul P. has the original thread on making copper soft well documented. But you asked about smoothness not softness, right? I am guessing this is regular flat gasket material with some kind of rolled copper ring at the inside edge? (Picture?) Would the gasket hold up to filling in the bad places with some soft solder? You could then work out the bad areas with a file. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: >I am putting the finishing touches on my Sandwich engine and not sure if I >should reuse the orginal copper ring gasket again. It just doesn't seem >smooth enough to keep a good seal even after some polishing. >thanks in advance, >Curt Andree > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 14 08:15:29 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:15:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Copper ring head gaskets In-Reply-To: <031420061147.8402.4416AD5300013102000020D2219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <00c601c64782$84df38e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > I am putting the finishing touches on my Sandwich engine and > not sure if I > should reuse the orginal copper ring gasket again. It just > doesn't seem > smooth enough to keep a good seal even after some polishing. > thanks in advance, Hi Curt, Too often when I try to reuse an ugly old gasket, it fails and I end up kicking myself for being lazy. McMaster-Carr has a wide selection of copper sheet, as well as a variety of gasket material. For that matter, Chuck Balyeat sells head gasket material. Check out this and his other engine goodies here: http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 14 22:03:12 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:03:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New web page. Message-ID: <001101c647f6$2800dd30$0215eedc@fred> Hi, We have just tried out a web page for some of our engine collection, comments and suggestions (constructive) on layout welcome. Brian in Melbourne. http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 00:05:14 2006 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:05:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] New web page. In-Reply-To: <001101c647f6$2800dd30$0215eedc@fred> Message-ID: <20060315080514.86091.qmail@web35411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Brian What a great collection of engines etc you have, nice clear photos, but those with dial up will have problems with the two large pictures, the standard file size should not be greater than about 60kb, you can use programes like the free Irfanview to obtain a larger screen size but lower file size. well done Kerry --- Brian Watts wrote: > Hi, > We have just tried out a web page for some of our > engine collection, > comments and suggestions (constructive) on layout > welcome. > Brian in Melbourne. > > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Mar 15 03:42:05 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:42:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] INTERNATIONAL UNDERSTRIKES References: <000c01c646a9$e55f4040$2c5428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> <6.0.1.1.2.20060313083321.02c04ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c64825$7d2b0900$7384dccb@oemcomputer> Larry.Give me a mail of list.I can probably help you out. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:42 Subject: Re: [SEL] INTERNATIONAL UNDERSTRIKES > Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ihm/ > to see some pictures of a 1918 1 1/2 hp. understrike which is most likely > our next major restoration project. Major missing part is the 2 needle > valve carburetor. Haven't seen too much information specifically related > to the understrike but there is a lot of International M material out there. > > Regards, > Larry > > At 06:24 AM 3/13/2006, you wrote: > >Does anyone know of anything out there on the subject of > >understrikes??? Just talked to a gentleman who HAD one. Since none of > >his numbers matched up to anything and there wasn't any info out there, he > >just basically junked one. He broke the flywheels and just about > >everything else on the engine. I just wish on that type of engine, there > >was more info out there so these rare type of engines don't get destroyed. > >Thanks > >DeWayne & Casey Boggs > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 15 03:41:16 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:41:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New web page. References: <20060315080514.86091.qmail@web35411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c64825$5fc4f150$0215eedc@fred> Hi Kerry, Thanks for the advice on file size,I will have a go at it tomorrow. regards Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New web page. > G'Day Brian > > What a great collection of engines etc you have, nice > clear photos, but those with dial up will have > problems with the two large pictures, the standard > file size should not be greater than about 60kb, you > can use programes like the free Irfanview to obtain a > larger screen size but lower file size. > > well done > > Kerry > > --- Brian Watts wrote: > >> Hi, >> We have just tried out a web page for some of our >> engine collection, >> comments and suggestions (constructive) on layout >> welcome. >> Brian in Melbourne. >> >> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Mar 15 05:02:15 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:02:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New web page. In-Reply-To: <001101c647f6$2800dd30$0215eedc@fred> References: <001101c647f6$2800dd30$0215eedc@fred> Message-ID: <44181057.3090200@imc-group.com> Brian, Nice page and NICE collection! Your Gardner caught my eye. A year ago this week we were at the Narracoorte ralley and snapped these photos of a 3HP Gardner. Those dual, angled push rods are not something you forget! What HP is yours? Is yours ignitor fired? When did Gardner make the transition from single to dual flywheels? Curt P.S. The Baker Monitor picture can be lightened with the Irfanview software Kerry mentioned. Brian Watts wrote: >Hi, >We have just tried out a web page for some of our engine collection, >comments and suggestions (constructive) on layout welcome. >Brian in Melbourne. > >http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Mar 15 05:34:21 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:34:21 -0500 Subject: Fw: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. Message-ID: <001e01c64835$2ab4b3f0$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. Dave - maybe he means these questions asked on my Grand Father's Record of Birth dated 1874 : Place of Birth----- Street---- Child's Name---- Date of Birth---- Sex---Color--- Living or Stillborn--- No. of Child. 1st,2nd,etc.----No. of Children of this mother still living--- Legitimate or Illigitimate--- Father's Name---Father's Bithplace--- Father's Residence---- Street---- Father's Occupation---- Mother's Maiden Name---Color--- Age--- Mother's Residence---- Mother's Birthplace--- Mother's Occupation-- Name and address of Physician (or other person) reporting said birth----Date when received by Town Clerk---- Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "peter ogborne" >> Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. >> >> >>> Ok , I think the time has come for all SEL members to lay their cards on >>> the table. It would be good to know what we are dealing with so I would >>> like to ask all members to just let us know if they are Metro Sexual or >>> are they Rural Sexual. For my part I am becoming Rural Sexual but there >>> is still a bit of Metro hanging in there. >>> Peter Ogborne >>> Little Grove ,Albany >>> West Australia >>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> Hi Peter, Not quite sure what you are on about but I >> sure hope it doesn't involve any sheep! >> (I thought that only happened in New Zealand & Wales) >> Dave Croft >> Warrington >> England >> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >> _______________________________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.2/280 - Release Date: 3/13/2006 From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Mar 15 07:55:25 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:55:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] INTERNATIONAL UNDERSTRIKES References: <000c01c646a9$e55f4040$2c5428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> <6.0.1.1.2.20060313083321.02c04ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c64848$e0298360$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Larry - Let me know If you don't find a 2 piece carburetor (fuel mixer) I have one which I believe is the correct one and salvageable. Hit and Miss Enterprises I believe might have some reconditioned ones and parts for them. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] INTERNATIONAL UNDERSTRIKES > Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ihm/ > to see some pictures of a 1918 1 1/2 hp. understrike which is most likely > our next major restoration project. Major missing part is the 2 needle > valve carburetor. Haven't seen too much information specifically related > to the understrike but there is a lot of International M material out there. > > Regards, > Larry From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 15 07:05:16 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:05:16 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Help needed to restore my Engine webpage. Message-ID: <000301c64841$df5bfe60$0b4c1152@no1> Can anyone give me some help in sorting out the problem I have in correcting a mess I made in my webpage? The main problem I have is trying to use .HTML documents. These seem to have 2 different icons, see http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/2448903880028520097SrHJGA The ones with the "E" on them seem to work but the other doesn't. If you can help please tell me & I will contact you Off-List so I don't bore everyone else to death. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Mar 15 07:08:58 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:08:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New web page. Message-ID: <20060315.101739.568.5.jlb94@juno.com> Nice job Brian, Very nice collection. I have dial-up and it still loads pretty fast. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From curt at imc-group.com Wed Mar 15 07:20:07 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:20:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old iron transport network. Message-ID: <441830A7.3050900@imc-group.com> Guys, I need to transport a couple of patterns from Gastonia, NC (near Charlotte) to Youngstown, OH. Anyone one making a trek near these points? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 15 07:52:22 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:52:22 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Magneto information. Message-ID: <001701c64848$742b0760$0b4c1152@no1> This is passed on from the UK engine group. It has a motorcycle bias but many mags are identical. ____________________________________________ Splendid Oz site well worth a good look http://www.earlymotorcycles.com/em5/articles/ignition/ignitiion.htm eZine covers pre'40's motorcycles. Two excellent articles of direct relevance to engine men -- a 30-page article on '20's & '30s magneto overhaul, plus another on carbs from same vintage. including Villiers. Some of the repair tools in the magneto article are eye-opening! Unfortunately the site owner has limited space, so deletes eZines more than 2 editions old. Great shame, as his material is way above average.Grab the above articles quickly before they go! Many other good articles of primary interest to m/c folk. Colin _____________________________________________- Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 15 07:58:13 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:58:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New web page. In-Reply-To: <001101c647f6$2800dd30$0215eedc@fred> Message-ID: <004601c64849$45a8f130$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > We have just tried out a web page for some of our engine collection, > comments and suggestions (constructive) on layout welcome. > Brian in Melbourne. > > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ Hi Brian, Those are some wonderful engines you have. The big pictures are nice, allowing the viewer to see more detail. Rob From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Mar 15 07:59:48 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:59:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New web page. In-Reply-To: <001101c647f6$2800dd30$0215eedc@fred> Message-ID: <200603151559.k2FFxqOF027758@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:03 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] New web page. Hi, We have just tried out a web page for some of our engine collection, comments and suggestions (constructive) on layout welcome. Brian in Melbourne. http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ _______________________________________________ Brian, that is a mighty impressive collection. Your pics are very well done, too. Thank you for posting them. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Mar 15 11:32:27 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:32:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: New web page In-Reply-To: <200603151700.k2FH044t005509@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Pretty nice web page. You can see the pics clearly. Using thumbnalis might reduce the bandwidth needed. Make sure that you put a link to ATIS on your links page!!!!! > 1. New web page. (Brian Watts) >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:03:12 +1100 >From: "Brian Watts" >Subject: [SEL] New web page. >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Message-ID: <001101c647f6$2800dd30$0215eedc at fred> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi, >We have just tried out a web page for some of our engine collection, >comments and suggestions (constructive) on layout welcome. >Brian in Melbourne. > >http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Mar 15 16:43:00 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:43:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <014501c64892$949c63a0$2bd64c0c@D48VHZ61> A little late chiming in but here are my thoughts. Are both oversize or is one over and the other under. My thought is someone was trying to make patterns/castings already threaded and possibly hoping to just clean the parts up with an on size tool after casting. I also thought if the tap is undersize and the die is oversize then maybe they were used for roughing with standard taps and dies used for finishing? For what it is worth, all taps are oversize, at least real ones not made in China. They are designated with an H limit. An H3 tap is .0015 oversize, an H6 is .003 oversize--for every number the H value increases, the tap increases .0005 in size. Can't say I ever heard of an oversize die other than adjustable dies. Oversized taps, as was stated earlier, are used often where shrinkage from heat treat, hard-coat anodize, or nickel plating comes into play. But we are normally talking just a few thousandths--not 31. Someone also mentioned 12 pitch threads and yes they are still widely used on hydraulic cylinders. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > Hi All, > While at the Zolfo Show a week or so ago I picked up a nice old tap and > die set made by Wiley & Russell (Greenfield, Mass.) (It's got to be rather > old because the 1/2 " die indicated 12 threads per inch!) The set goes > from 1/4" to 3/4" and each die (while removable) has it's own handle! The > set is in a nice old wooden box measuring 37 1/4" X 10 3/4" X 3". > Now my question. Each die has 1/32 stamped (or perhaps engraved) into it. > What does this 1/32 stand for/mean? Any help on this will be appreciated! > Dave > > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Mar 15 19:51:14 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:51:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: <014501c64892$949c63a0$2bd64c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> <014501c64892$949c63a0$2bd64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060315224730.026f2510@mail.alltel.net> Hi John, ALL the taps and ALL the dies in the set that I bought (except for the 1/2 X 12) are 1/32 OVERSIZED! Dave At 07:43 PM 3/15/2006, you wrote: >A little late chiming in but here are my thoughts. >Are both oversize or is one over and the other under. My thought is >someone was trying to make patterns/castings already threaded and possibly >hoping to just clean the parts up with an on size tool after casting. I >also thought if the tap is undersize and the die is oversize then maybe >they were used for roughing with standard taps and dies used for finishing? > >For what it is worth, all taps are oversize, at least real ones not made >in China. They are designated with an H limit. An H3 tap is .0015 >oversize, an H6 is .003 oversize--for every number the H value increases, >the tap increases .0005 in size. > >Can't say I ever heard of an oversize die other than adjustable dies. > >Oversized taps, as was stated earlier, are used often where shrinkage from >heat treat, hard-coat anodize, or nickel plating comes into play. But we >are normally talking just a few thousandths--not 31. > >Someone also mentioned 12 pitch threads and yes they are still widely used >on hydraulic cylinders. > >John Hall > > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:13 PM >Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > > >>Hi All, >>While at the Zolfo Show a week or so ago I picked up a nice old tap and >>die set made by Wiley & Russell (Greenfield, Mass.) (It's got to be >>rather old because the 1/2 " die indicated 12 threads per inch!) The set >>goes from 1/4" to 3/4" and each die (while removable) has it's own >>handle! The set is in a nice old wooden box measuring 37 1/4" X 10 3/4" X 3". >>Now my question. Each die has 1/32 stamped (or perhaps engraved) into it. >>What does this 1/32 stand for/mean? Any help on this will be appreciated! >>Dave >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 15 21:50:15 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:50:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net><014501c64892$949c63a0$2bd64c0c@D48VHZ61> <6.1.2.0.0.20060315224730.026f2510@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004d01c648bd$816f4650$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ive been thinking on this and it crosses my mind that patterns are made oversize to allow for shrinkage. Could these be made for pattern makers? Just a thought. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > Hi John, ALL the taps and ALL the dies in the set that I bought (except > for the 1/2 X 12) are 1/32 OVERSIZED! > Dave > > At 07:43 PM 3/15/2006, you wrote: >>A little late chiming in but here are my thoughts. >>Are both oversize or is one over and the other under. My thought is >>someone was trying to make patterns/castings already threaded and possibly >>hoping to just clean the parts up with an on size tool after casting. I >>also thought if the tap is undersize and the die is oversize then maybe >>they were used for roughing with standard taps and dies used for >>finishing? >> >>For what it is worth, all taps are oversize, at least real ones not made >>in China. They are designated with an H limit. An H3 tap is .0015 >>oversize, an H6 is .003 oversize--for every number the H value increases, >>the tap increases .0005 in size. >> >>Can't say I ever heard of an oversize die other than adjustable dies. >> >>Oversized taps, as was stated earlier, are used often where shrinkage from >>heat treat, hard-coat anodize, or nickel plating comes into play. But we >>are normally talking just a few thousandths--not 31. >> >>Someone also mentioned 12 pitch threads and yes they are still widely used >>on hydraulic cylinders. >> >>John Hall >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:13 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT >> >> >>>Hi All, >>>While at the Zolfo Show a week or so ago I picked up a nice old tap and >>>die set made by Wiley & Russell (Greenfield, Mass.) (It's got to be >>>rather old because the 1/2 " die indicated 12 threads per inch!) The set >>>goes from 1/4" to 3/4" and each die (while removable) has it's own >>>handle! The set is in a nice old wooden box measuring 37 1/4" X 10 3/4" >>>X 3". >>>Now my question. Each die has 1/32 stamped (or perhaps engraved) into it. >>>What does this 1/32 stand for/mean? Any help on this will be appreciated! >>>Dave >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Mar 16 04:20:16 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:20:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Copper ring head gaskets Message-ID: <031620061220.19956.4419580000061A8700004DF4219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Curt for the site, very good. Curt > Curt, > Paul P. has the original thread on making copper soft well documented. > > > But you asked about smoothness not softness, right? > I am guessing this is regular flat gasket material with some kind of > rolled copper ring at the inside edge? (Picture?) > Would the gasket hold up to filling in the bad places with some soft > solder? You could then work out the bad areas with a file. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > >I am putting the finishing touches on my Sandwich engine and not sure if I > >should reuse the orginal copper ring gasket again. It just doesn't seem > >smooth enough to keep a good seal even after some polishing. > >thanks in advance, > >Curt Andree > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > >with: > >unsubscribe > >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 16 05:49:41 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:49:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: <004d01c648bd$816f4650$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net><014501c64892$949c63a0$2bd64c0c@D48VHZ61> <6.1.2.0.0.20060315224730.026f2510@mail.alltel.net> <004d01c648bd$816f4650$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <44196CF5.1020800@imc-group.com> Reg, I don't think trying to cast this kind of detail would be cost effective. Can you imagine the corebox work required to cast threads?! And then hoping for this kind of detail duplication when pouring is wishful thinking. Besides, casting materials with the highest shrinkages wouldn't generate shrink near 1/32". For example aluminum would have a shrink rate of .015 per inch. Consider a 1/2" bolt. This would only need to be cast .007 large so a 1/32 (.031) oversize wouldn't be appropriate. My vote is with the fellows that speculated on oversized threads for repairs. As old as the die set is, this is pre-heli coil days. Curt Holland R & M Ingold wrote: > Ive been thinking on this and it crosses my mind that patterns are > made oversize to allow for shrinkage. Could these be made for pattern > makers? Just a thought. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 16 09:13:25 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:13:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <20060316.121327.736.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, I was just browsing and went to www.Ask.com went to "images". I typed in witte engine and came up with some interesting pics. One of which was mine. Further searching revealed several members of the SEL pics. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Mar 16 09:49:36 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:49:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <20060316.094937.87.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Joe. They have a picture of mine too. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:13:25 -0500 jlb94 at juno.com writes: > Hi List, > > I was just browsing and went to www.Ask.com > went to "images". > I typed in witte engine and came up with some interesting pics. > One of which was mine. > Further searching revealed several members of the SEL pics. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on > what we > think we're worth." From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Mar 16 10:44:33 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:44:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <20060316.104433.87.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Joe. At least they give credit where the images came from. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:13:25 -0500 jlb94 at juno.com writes: > Hi List, > > I was just browsing and went to www.Ask.com > went to "images". > I typed in witte engine and came up with some interesting pics. > One of which was mine. > Further searching revealed several members of the SEL pics. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on > what we > think we're worth." From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 16 11:36:42 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:36:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <20060316.144222.1120.0.jlb94@juno.com> I guess I never realized (until recently) how much a person opens himself up to the world via the computer. Web Site - Webshots - Snapfish - Etc. If you ever "google" yourself you might be surprised how much you can find. Amazing, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 16 12:40:16 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:40:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <20060316.144222.1120.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060316.144222.1120.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Hiya Joe, Say wasn't there a thread recently about Missy googling herself while Curt was out of town? See ya, Arnie On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > If you ever "google" yourself you might be surprised how much you can > > Amazing, > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Mar 16 14:50:23 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:50:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Clutch pulley on ebay Message-ID: <4419EBAF.4050500@scrtc.com> This seems a bit high to me, considering its bringing probably what the running engine will. I had one identical to this that I sold at the Portland Swap Meet last year for $100. I thought I did OK but looks like I was a bit off on the actual value. Is this a case of 2 guys who just "have to have it" or what? Ebay item # 7597583251 or click on link below http://cgi.ebay.com/CLUTCH-PULLEY-for-Fairbanks-Morse-6hp-Z-Hit-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7597583251QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Mar 16 14:54:16 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:54:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: References: <20060316.144222.1120.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4419EC98.409@scrtc.com> Arnie, Looks like its caught on. First piercings on unnamed body parts and now this ...... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hiya Joe, > >Say wasn't there a thread recently about Missy googling herself while >Curt was out of town? > >See ya, Arnie > >On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > > >>If you ever "google" yourself you might be surprised how much you can >> >>Amazing, >> >>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------000904060205090705030009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Arnie,
Looks like its caught on. First piercings on unnamed body parts and now this ......

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY

Hiya Joe,

Say wasn't there a thread recently about Missy googling herself while
Curt was out of town?

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

If you ever "google" yourself you might be surprised how much you can

Amazing,

Joe "Pip" Betz said that.


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SEL mailing list
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From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Mar 16 15:19:51 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:19:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <20060316.144222.1120.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004401c64950$20afa0b0$d16e8645@mikecomp> I have seen her googled extensively and often at the shows!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > Hiya Joe, > > Say wasn't there a thread recently about Missy googling herself while > Curt was out of town? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > >> If you ever "google" yourself you might be surprised how much you can >> >> Amazing, >> >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Mar 16 16:50:50 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:50:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Clutch pulley on ebay In-Reply-To: <4419EBAF.4050500@scrtc.com> References: <4419EBAF.4050500@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <441A07EA.5060209@wightman.ca> Holy crap. I didn't realize that clutch pulleys were so expensive. Duncan Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > This seems a bit high to me, considering its bringing probably what > the running engine will. I had one identical to this that I sold at > the Portland Swap Meet last year for $100. I thought I did OK but > looks like I was a bit off on the actual value. Is this a case of 2 > guys who just "have to have it" or what? > > Ebay item # 7597583251 or click on link below > > http://cgi.ebay.com/CLUTCH-PULLEY-for-Fairbanks-Morse-6hp-Z-Hit-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7597583251QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Mar 16 16:09:11 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:09:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Clutch pulley on ebay In-Reply-To: <441A07EA.5060209@wightman.ca> References: <4419EBAF.4050500@scrtc.com> <441A07EA.5060209@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4419FE27.9090002@scrtc.com> Duncan, I'm not sure they are unless you have 2 people that REALLY want it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Holy crap. I didn't realize that clutch pulleys were so expensive. > > Duncan > > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> This seems a bit high to me, considering its bringing probably what >> the running engine will. I had one identical to this that I sold at >> the Portland Swap Meet last year for $100. I thought I did OK but >> looks like I was a bit off on the actual value. Is this a case of 2 >> guys who just "have to have it" or what? >> >> Ebay item # 7597583251 or click on link below >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/CLUTCH-PULLEY-for-Fairbanks-Morse-6hp-Z-Hit-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7597583251QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > From ELIDAS at aol.com Thu Mar 16 16:21:45 2006 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:21:45 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: Jaeger mixer (OT) Message-ID: <2c9.57b8600.314b5b19@aol.com> Hi Curt. I think I sent the whole album. If you are dialup don't open it. If not its deck1 007. I'll try to send it again later. Sorry Mike -------------------------------1142554905 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Curt.

I think I sent the whole album. If you are dialup don't op= en=20 it. If not its deck1 007. I'll try to send it again later.

Sorry

Mike

From ELIDAS at aol.com Thu Mar 16 16:38:49 2006 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:38:49 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: pulley Message-ID: <331.bb3d2.314b5f19@aol.com> I'm trying to remove a pulley attached to a IH LA.. This is NOT the flywheel. This has what seems to be two parts. One is the pulley itself that has an aprox five inch hole in it. Inside of that there is a hat shaped gizmo that fits on the shaft and the center of the pulley.. This has a split about half way through it. There is a series of bolt holes in the pulley that line up with bolt holes in the "hat gizmo" There are no bolts,set screws etc. I guess they are tapered. I've tried a BFH without any results. Any Ideas? Mike Semanoff -------------------------------1142555929 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm trying to remove a pulley attached to a IH LA.. This is NOT t= he=20 flywheel. This has what seems to be two parts. One is the pulley itself that= has=20 an aprox five inch hole in it. Inside of that there is a hat shaped giz= mo=20 that fits on the shaft and the center of the pulley.. This has a split about= =20 half way through it. There is a series of bolt holes in the pulley tha= t=20 line up with bolt holes in the "hat gizmo" There are no bolts,set screws etc= ... I=20 guess they are tapered.

I've tried a BFH without any results. Any Ideas?

Mike Semanoff

From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Mar 16 17:42:37 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:42:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net><014501c64892$949c63a0$2bd64c0c@D48VHZ61> <6.1.2.0.0.20060315224730.026f2510@mail.alltel.net><004d01c648bd$816f4650$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <44196CF5.1020800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006301c64964$134712a0$46d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Repair work probably does make the most since, but even then, not much. Strange they picked 1/32 for the amount they are oversize. You'd think maybe the coarser the thread the more oversize it would need to be. If anyone ever finds out for certain, I for one would love to know. I'll ask a couple of the older guys at work, but I'm almost positive they ain't nowhere near old enough!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > > My vote is with the fellows that speculated on oversized threads for > repairs. As old as the die set is, this is pre-heli coil days. > Curt Holland > > From glenn.karch at gte.net Thu Mar 16 18:50:48 2006 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:50:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net><014501c64892$949c63a0$2bd64c0c@D48VHZ61> <6.1.2.0.0.20060315224730.026f2510@mail.alltel.net><004d01c648bd$816f4650$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <44196CF5.1020800@imc-group.com> <006301c64964$134712a0$46d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <001301c6496d$9ad2b180$0de3123f@oemcomputer> Dave and others, Has anyone actualy verified that this tap and die set actually cuts 1/32 oversize threads? Has it been tried on any buts and bolts to see? Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > Repair work probably does make the most since, but even then, not much. > Strange they picked 1/32 for the amount they are oversize. You'd think maybe > the coarser the thread the more oversize it would need to be. If anyone ever > finds out for certain, I for one would love to know. I'll ask a couple of > the older guys at work, but I'm almost positive they ain't nowhere near old > enough!! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > > > > > My vote is with the fellows that speculated on oversized threads for > > repairs. As old as the die set is, this is pre-heli coil days. > > Curt Holland > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 16 19:05:08 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:05:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: <001301c6496d$9ad2b180$0de3123f@oemcomputer> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> <014501c64892$949c63a0$2bd64c0c@D48VHZ61> <6.1.2.0.0.20060315224730.026f2510@mail.alltel.net> <004d01c648bd$816f4650$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <44196CF5.1020800@imc-group.com> <006301c64964$134712a0$46d24c0c@D48VHZ61> <001301c6496d$9ad2b180$0de3123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060316220321.0da6b900@mail.alltel.net> Hi Glenn, I'll give it a try tomorrow--on some bolts. I'm not too keen about trying it on the other place you suggest! Dave At 09:50 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote: >Dave and others, > >Has anyone actualy verified that this tap and die set actually cuts 1/32 >oversize threads? Has it been tried on any buts and bolts to see? > >Glenn Karch >Haubstadt, IN, USA >Hercules Historian > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Hall" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:42 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > > > > Repair work probably does make the most since, but even then, not much. > > Strange they picked 1/32 for the amount they are oversize. You'd think >maybe > > the coarser the thread the more oversize it would need to be. If anyone >ever > > finds out for certain, I for one would love to know. I'll ask a couple of > > the older guys at work, but I'm almost positive they ain't nowhere near >old > > enough!! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Curt" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > > > > > > > > My vote is with the fellows that speculated on oversized threads for > > > repairs. As old as the die set is, this is pre-heli coil days. > > > Curt Holland > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 16 19:22:23 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:22:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <20060316.222941.868.2.jlb94@juno.com> Yes - And - Wasn't she wanted by the CIA or something for some kind of identity theft ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From curt at imc-group.com Fri Mar 17 04:18:07 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:18:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: References: <20060316.144222.1120.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <441AA8FF.80201@imc-group.com> Arnie, Sad fact is I was in town. 'Tis a shame she has to google herself when I am in town. Gotta get out of the shop more often...... Curt Arnie Fero wrote: >Hiya Joe, > >Say wasn't there a thread recently about Missy googling herself while >Curt was out of town? > >See ya, Arnie > > > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 17 06:59:58 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:59:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <20060317.103016.796.2.jlb94@juno.com> Will someone tell me how to "Keep Peace" in the house and stay in the "Shop" more ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Mar 17 08:06:24 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:06:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <20060317.103016.796.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060317.103016.796.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317110445.0db1ebd8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Joe, Tell Sil that they are still making wives--but no longer make antique stationary engines! Dave At 09:59 AM 3/17/2006, you wrote: >Will someone tell me how to "Keep Peace" in the house >and stay in the "Shop" more ? > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Mar 17 08:15:07 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:15:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <20060317.103016.796.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060317.103016.796.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <441AE08B.1010604@imc-group.com> Joe, Encourage Sylvia to buy engines she likes. Trust me it works :-) Curt jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >Will someone tell me how to "Keep Peace" in the house >and stay in the "Shop" more ? > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 17 09:20:08 2006 From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:20:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317110445.0db1ebd8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060317172008.82246.qmail@web26312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Right you are, Dave! An old, worn out engine will only appreciate in value as the years go on. Can you say the same about a well used wife? A.M. --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Joe, Tell Sil that they are still making > wives--but no longer make > antique stationary engines! > Dave ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Mar 17 10:07:26 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:07:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <20060317.100726.198.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> A well trained wife is priceless! Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:20:08 +0000 (GMT) Aenus McShite writes: > Right you are, Dave! > An old, worn out engine will only appreciate in value > as the years go on. Can you say the same about a well > used wife? > A.M. > --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > Hi Joe, Tell Sil that they are still making > > wives--but no longer make > > antique stationary engines! > > Dave From curt at imc-group.com Fri Mar 17 10:07:22 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:07:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting (a tad OT now) In-Reply-To: <20060317172008.82246.qmail@web26312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060317172008.82246.qmail@web26312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <441AFADA.2010808@imc-group.com> Aenus, Ahh but there is hope yet. Boring and re-ringing services are available for old worn out women as well now, restoring them to their original glory......well at least usefulness. This is certainly an economically viable solution as newer younger models are expensive to maintain, and the costs of disposal of well used models can be prohibitive. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Aenus McShite wrote: >Right you are, Dave! >An old, worn out engine will only appreciate in value >as the years go on. Can you say the same about a well >used wife? >A.M. >--- Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > >>Hi Joe, Tell Sil that they are still making >>wives--but no longer make >>antique stationary engines! >> Dave >> >> > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Mar 17 10:16:48 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:16:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: pulley In-Reply-To: <200603171700.k2HH0492002559@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060317195551.00ab5410@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 17/03/2006, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:38:49 EST >From: ELIDAS at aol.com >Subject: [SEL] Re: pulley > >I'm trying to remove a pulley attached to a IH LA.. This is NOT the >flywheel. This has what seems to be two parts. One is the pulley itself >that has an >aprox five inch hole in it. Inside of that there is a hat shaped gizmo that >fits on the shaft and the center of the pulley.. This has a split about half >way through it. There is a series of bolt holes in the pulley that line up >with bolt holes in the "hat gizmo" There are no bolts,set screws etc. >I guess >they are tapered. > I've tried a BFH without any results. Any Ideas? > Mike Semanoff Mike It sounds like a "Taper Lok" pulley. There should be grub screws in "some" of the holes -remove them and screw them into the other holes that line up with the pulley (they should only have threads cut in the one side of the "hole"). This forces the pulley off the "hat gizmo" which should have a slot on one side to put a wedge "old screwdriver" into to open it and get it off the shaft. Replacement is the opposite of removal. http://www.beijingthc.com/bushing/tb_taperlock_bushings.htm Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Mar 17 12:37:26 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:37:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] My website Message-ID: <00bc01c64a02$9db82980$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I have changed the wording on the Ball hopper Monitor page of my website.It is in the models section. If you are interested, please read it. Thanks, Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 17 14:21:08 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:21:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting (a tad OT now) In-Reply-To: <441AFADA.2010808@imc-group.com> References: <20060317172008.82246.qmail@web26312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <441AFADA.2010808@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1142634068.441b3654d8f4a@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Missy, Be afraid, be VERY afraid that Curt has THIS website at his fingertips!! 8->> See ya, Arnie Quoting Curt : > Ahh but there is hope yet. Boring and re-ringing services are available > for old worn out women as well now, restoring them to their original > glory......well at least usefulness. > > This is certainly an economically viable solution as newer younger > models are expensive to maintain, and the costs of disposal of well used > models can be prohibitive. From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Mar 17 14:56:18 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:56:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting (a tad OT now) References: <20060317172008.82246.qmail@web26312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <441AFADA.2010808@imc-group.com> <1142634068.441b3654d8f4a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000601c64a16$00a4bcd0$d16e8645@mikecomp> I thought he was mighty quick to blame the cylinder when his piston could be in need of building up. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting (a tad OT now) > Hey Missy, > > Be afraid, be VERY afraid that Curt has THIS website at his fingertips!! > 8->> > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Curt : > >> Ahh but there is hope yet. Boring and re-ringing services are available >> for old worn out women as well now, restoring them to their original >> glory......well at least usefulness. >> >> This is certainly an economically viable solution as newer younger >> models are expensive to maintain, and the costs of disposal of well used >> models can be prohibitive. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 17 16:35:28 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:35:28 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Interesting (a tad OT now) References: <20060317172008.82246.qmail@web26312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><441AFADA.2010808@imc-group.com> <1142634068.441b3654d8f4a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000b01c64a23$dc35c520$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting (a tad OT now) > Hey Missy, > Be afraid, be VERY afraid that Curt has THIS website at his fingertips!! 8->> > See ya, Arnie > Quoting Curt : >> Ahh but there is hope yet. Boring and re-ringing services are available >> for old worn out women as well now, restoring them to their original >> glory......well at least usefulness. >> >> This is certainly an economically viable solution as newer younger >> models are expensive to maintain, and the costs of disposal of well used >> models can be prohibitive. Hi Arnie, If I read it right they will actually provide re-cycled Virgins! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Mar 17 17:41:44 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:41:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Clutch pulley on ebay In-Reply-To: <4419EBAF.4050500@scrtc.com> References: <4419EBAF.4050500@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <441B6558.3010101@steamengine.com.au> I suspect it is part of the armchair auction phenomenon - people will pay anything just so they don't have to get off their fast expanding behind to actually do something! Ebay does drive prices up. Instead of say 3 people who actually needed a pulley seeing it at Portland getting you $100, on ebay millions of people see it so the chances are more people who actually want one will get a chance to have a go at it. Same at clearing auctions - if 10 people turn up, everything goes for low prices, if 2,000 people turn up a pile of horse manure will fetch $$. I went to a friends clearing sale to help out (I'd already bought my stuff before the auction) - the most ridiculous item I saw on the day was people bidding thousands for fence posts that they had to pull out of the ground by the end of the next day - amazing. Regards Paul Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > This seems a bit high to me, considering its bringing probably what the > running engine will. I had one identical to this that I sold at the > Portland Swap Meet last year for $100. I thought I did OK but looks > like I was a bit off on the actual value. Is this a case of 2 guys who > just "have to have it" or what? > > Ebay item # 7597583251 or click on link below > > http://cgi.ebay.com/CLUTCH-PULLEY-for-Fairbanks-Morse-6hp-Z-Hit-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7597583251QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 17 18:20:58 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:20:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My website Message-ID: <20060317.212704.924.0.jlb94@juno.com> I assume you are talking about Bob Bromps. He deserves the adverse advertisment if so. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From canuckiron at wightman.ca Fri Mar 17 21:24:45 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:24:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Clutch pulley on ebay In-Reply-To: <441B6558.3010101@steamengine.com.au> References: <4419EBAF.4050500@scrtc.com> <441B6558.3010101@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <441B999D.2090203@wightman.ca> It get kind of stupid sometimes. Many times I go to auctions and see everyday things getting prices equal to retail for a brand new item. Was bidding on a used chainsaw once that ended up going for almost the same as a new one of the same model. Duncan Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > I suspect it is part of the armchair auction phenomenon - people will > pay anything just so they don't have to get off their fast expanding > behind to actually do something! Ebay does drive prices up. Instead of > say 3 people who actually needed a pulley seeing it at Portland > getting you $100, on ebay millions of people see it so the chances are > more people who actually want one will get a chance to have a go at > it. Same at clearing auctions - if 10 people turn up, everything goes > for low prices, if 2,000 people turn up a pile of horse manure will > fetch $$. I went to a friends clearing sale to help out (I'd already > bought my stuff before the auction) - the most ridiculous item I saw > on the day was people bidding thousands for fence posts that they had > to pull out of the ground by the end of the next day - amazing. > > Regards > Paul > Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Mar 17 17:08:01 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:08:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317200535.0dba7a80@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The 2006 Zolfo Show pictures are now up on my HP. Go to: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on Shows to see them. Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Mar 17 13:38:01 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:38:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My website In-Reply-To: <00bc01c64a02$9db82980$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <00bc01c64a02$9db82980$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317163543.0db5afc0@mail.alltel.net> At 03:37 PM 3/17/2006, you wrote: >I have changed the wording on the Ball hopper Monitor page of my >website.It is in the models section. >If you are interested, please read it. >Thanks, Reg. Hi Reg, Your wording sounds good. The only change I would suggest is that you add Bob Bromps full mailing address and e-mail address so that anyone who wishes to order from him (or whatever) can do so. Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Mar 17 22:36:06 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:36:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] My website References: <00bc01c64a02$9db82980$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6.1.2.0.0.20060317163543.0db5afc0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00a901c64a56$3d6f8740$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Bromps, Bob E-mail Address(es): pmd at bendcable.com Personal Information: Address: 545 SE Airpark Drive Bend Oregon 97702 USA Phone: 541 382 5926 Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My website > At 03:37 PM 3/17/2006, you wrote: >>I have changed the wording on the Ball hopper Monitor page of my >>website.It is in the models section. >>If you are interested, please read it. >>Thanks, Reg. > > Hi Reg, > Your wording sounds good. The only change I would suggest is that > you add Bob Bromps full mailing address and e-mail address so that anyone > who wishes to order from him (or whatever) can do so. > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Sat Mar 18 07:36:36 2006 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:36:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting (a tad OT now) In-Reply-To: <441AFADA.2010808@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Oh, THAT'S going to earn you a slap upside the head! -- Kelley On 3/17/06 10:07 AM, "Curt" wrote: > Aenus, > Ahh but there is hope yet. Boring and re-ringing services are available > for old worn out women as well now, restoring them to their original > glory......well at least usefulness. > > This is certainly an economically viable solution as newer younger > models are expensive to maintain, and the costs of disposal of well used > models can be prohibitive. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Aenus McShite wrote: > >> Right you are, Dave! >> An old, worn out engine will only appreciate in value >> as the years go on. Can you say the same about a well >> used wife? >> A.M. >> --- Dave Rotigel wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Joe, Tell Sil that they are still making >>> wives--but no longer make >>> antique stationary engines! >>> Dave >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars >> online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Mar 18 08:51:45 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:51:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures Message-ID: <20060318.115146.592.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave, For some reason - I can't open oldengine.org today. Must try later. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 18 09:13:11 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:13:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures References: <20060318.115146.592.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <008101c64aaf$3d118b50$240110ac@PAUL2> Same here Joe, I cannot open them either. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures > Hi Dave, > > For some reason - I can't open oldengine.org today. > > From fred.southwell at v21mail.co.uk Sat Mar 18 09:33:51 2006 From: fred.southwell at v21mail.co.uk (Fred) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:33:51 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures References: <20060318.115146.592.0.jlb94@juno.com> <008101c64aaf$3d118b50$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <000e01c64ab2$29380890$0400a8c0@athlon64> I suspect that the server is down at the moment as Firefox says "unable to contact oldengine.org". From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Sat Mar 18 09:46:25 2006 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:46:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317200535.0dba7a80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Nice pictures, Dave. Looks like there was a good turn-out. -- Kelley On 3/17/06 5:08 PM, "Dave Rotigel" wrote: > Hi All, > The 2006 Zolfo Show pictures are now up on my HP. Go to: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on Shows to see them. > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 18 09:36:27 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:36:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ahhhh, clearly the only folks who can access oldengine.org are the Mac drivers. Good one Kelley!! See ya, Arnie On Sat, 18 Mar 2006, Kelley Garcia wrote: > Nice pictures, Dave. Looks like there was a good turn-out. > > On 3/17/06 5:08 PM, "Dave Rotigel" wrote: > > > The 2006 Zolfo Show pictures are now up on my HP. Go to: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on Shows to see them. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Mar 18 10:59:40 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:59:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 /can't open oldengine.org . In-Reply-To: <200603181700.k2IH04uH030433@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060318205628.00ab5ed0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 18/03/2006, you wrote: >Subject: Re: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures >Hi Dave, >For some reason - I can't open oldengine.org today. >Must try later. >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hi Joe Server must be down I cannot access it either - also tried my FTP prog with same result. Time here is 9.00pm (=GMT 7.00 pm) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 11:47:08 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:47:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr Wrench In-Reply-To: <003301c64913$59eae390$7f732052@kim9m4f9c59gis> Message-ID: <20060318194708.18918.qmail@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, I was cleaning out an old tool box I grabbed from an estate sale a couple years ago and found an old wrench that says Planet Jr. on each side. One end is an 11/16' open end and the other end will fit a 5/8 square, then if you flip it over it fits a 1/2" square nut. Are these common sizes on a Planet Junior tractor? Did a wrench like this come with every tractor? Thanks, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! --0-574245927-1142711228=:17209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Howdy Folks,

I was cleaning out an old tool box I grabbed from an estate sale a couple years ago and found an old wrench that says Planet Jr. on each side.

One end is an 11/16' open end and the other end will fit a 5/8 square, then if you flip it over it fits a 1/2" square nut.

Are these common sizes on a Planet Junior tractor?

Did a wrench like this come with every tractor?

Thanks,

Alan Bowen

Williamsburg, Michigan

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Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Mar 18 12:18:59 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:18:59 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr Wrench References: <20060318194708.18918.qmail@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c64ac9$325f34e0$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr Wrench > Howdy Folks, > I was cleaning out an old tool box I grabbed from an estate sale a couple years ago and found an old wrench that says Planet Jr. > on each side. > One end is an 11/16' open end and the other end will fit a 5/8 square, then if you flip it over it fits a 1/2" square nut. > Are these common sizes on a Planet Junior tractor? > Did a wrench like this come with every tractor? > Thanks, Alan Bowen Hi Alan, see http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/malon/items/215627/item215627cyberattic.html Is that the spanner? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 12:57:00 2006 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:57:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 /can't open oldengine.org . In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060318205628.00ab5ed0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20060318205700.34090.qmail@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message Posted from Jim The oldengine.org server is broken, it appears that it got hacked. It's down totally, both for http: access and ftp: up/downloading. <> <> <> <> <> --- Jerry Evans wrote: > At 07:00 PM 18/03/2006, you wrote: > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures > >Hi Dave, > >For some reason - I can't open oldengine.org today. > >Must try later. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > Hi Joe > Server must be down I cannot access it > either - also tried my FTP > prog with same result. > Time here is 9.00pm (=GMT 7.00 pm) > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Mar 18 16:03:28 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:03:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT bicycle ride Message-ID: <000301c64ae8$9138e190$a8118795@ogborneuah38i3> My town is at the moment swarming with bicycles http://www.australiassouthwest.com/en/Action+and+Adventure/2006+Great+Western+Australian+Bike+Ride.htm These range from the latest multi K priced machines to the rusty old tredlys that I knew.Must say that some of the riders are a bit precious. I have been working helping to store over 2000 bikes in a building as a service to the visitors while they spend some $$$$ in town........ever tried storing that many bikes in a way that enables you to extract one as the owner needs it? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sat Mar 18 16:36:47 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:36:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT bicycle ride References: <000301c64ae8$9138e190$a8118795@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <067e01c64aed$34b74b50$bd161941@pengy> I would store them in an electric arc furnace and sell them new ones when they return from shopping. :-) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: [SEL] OT bicycle ride > My town is at the moment swarming with bicycles > http://www.australiassouthwest.com/en/Action+and+Adventure/2006+Great+Western+Australian+Bike+Ride.htm > These range from the latest multi K priced machines to the rusty old > tredlys that I knew.Must say that some of the riders are a bit precious. I > have been working helping to store over 2000 bikes in a building as a > service to the visitors while they spend some $$$$ in town........ever > tried storing that many bikes in a way that enables you to extract one as > the owner needs it? > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 12:41:21 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:41:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr Wrench In-Reply-To: <000701c64ac9$325f34e0$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <20060318204121.11960.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, Dave. That's the one. I was just getting ready to snap a picture and put it on-line. That picture looks just right though. If anything,,,,,, Mine has more of the well earned original rust like finish. 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Dave Croft wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr Wrench > Howdy Folks, > I was cleaning out an old tool box I grabbed from an estate sale a couple years ago and found an old wrench that says Planet Jr. > on each side. > One end is an 11/16' open end and the other end will fit a 5/8 square, then if you flip it over it fits a 1/2" square nut. > Are these common sizes on a Planet Junior tractor? > Did a wrench like this come with every tractor? > Thanks, Alan Bowen Hi Alan, see http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/malon/items/215627/item215627cyberattic.html Is that the spanner? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Yup, Dave.

That's the one.

I was just getting ready to snap a picture and put it on-line.

That picture looks just right though.

If anything,,,,,, Mine has more of the well earned original rust like finish. 8>))

Alan Bowen

Williamsburg, Michigan

Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Bowen"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr Wrench

> Howdy Folks,
> I was cleaning out an old tool box I grabbed from an estate sale a couple years ago and found an old wrench that says Planet Jr.
> on each side.
> One end is an 11/16' open end and the other end will fit a 5/8 square, then if you flip it over it fits a 1/2" square nut.
> Are these common sizes on a Planet Junior tractor?
> Did a wrench like this come with every tractor?
> Thanks, Alan Bowen

Hi Alan, see http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/malon/items/215627/item215627cyberattic.html
Is that the spanner?
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
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Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 13:29:45 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:29:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr Wrench--oops In-Reply-To: <20060318204121.11960.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318212945.99130.qmail@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My Bad,,, I saw the picture, but I didn't read the text right. either his wrench has different sizes everywhere, or he can't use a tape measure. Alan Alan Bowen wrote: Yup, Dave. That's the one. I was just getting ready to snap a picture and put it on-line. That picture looks just right though. If anything,,,,,, Mine has more of the well earned original rust like finish. 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Dave Croft wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr Wrench > Howdy Folks, > I was cleaning out an old tool box I grabbed from an estate sale a couple years ago and found an old wrench that says Planet Jr. > on each side. > One end is an 11/16' open end and the other end will fit a 5/8 square, then if you flip it over it fits a 1/2" square nut. > Are these common sizes on a Planet Junior tractor? > Did a wrench like this come with every tractor? > Thanks, Alan Bowen Hi Alan, see http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/malon/items/215627/item215627cyberattic.html Is that the spanner? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-1640523952-1142717385=:98905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

My Bad,,,

I saw the picture, but I didn't read the text right.

either his wrench has different sizes everywhere, or he can't use a tape measure.

Alan

Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Yup, Dave.

That's the one.

I was just getting ready to snap a picture and put it on-line.

That picture looks just right though.

If anything,,,,,, Mine has more of the well earned original rust like finish. 8>))

Alan Bowen

Williamsburg, Michigan

Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Bowen"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr Wrench

> Howdy Folks,
> I was cleaning out an old tool box I grabbed from an estate sale a couple years ago and found an old wrench that says Planet Jr.
> on each side.
> One end is an 11/16' open end and the other end will fit a 5/8 square, then if you flip it over it fits a 1/2" square nut.
> Are these common sizes on a Planet Junior tractor?
> Did a wrench like this come with every tractor?
> Thanks, Alan Bowen

Hi Alan, see http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/malon/items/215627/item215627cyberattic.html
Is that the spanner?
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
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Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 13:41:24 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:41:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Clutch pulley on ebay In-Reply-To: <4419EBAF.4050500@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060318214124.81743.qmail@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yer Honor,,,, Portland show 2004 I was asking around fer one of those clutch pulleys. I have a 6hp Z that would love to carry one. One seller said that IF he had one the price would be $800 as they were a very sought after item. IF I had known you were gonna give one away so cheap I would have mailed you a money order and met you at the swap to grab it. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Judge Tommy Turner wrote: This seems a bit high to me, considering its bringing probably what the running engine will. I had one identical to this that I sold at the Portland Swap Meet last year for $100. I thought I did OK but looks like I was a bit off on the actual value. Is this a case of 2 guys who just "have to have it" or what? Ebay item # 7597583251 or click on link below http://cgi.ebay.com/CLUTCH-PULLEY-for-Fairbanks-Morse-6hp-Z-Hit-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7597583251QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-798206078-1142718084=:80406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Yer Honor,,,,

Portland show 2004 I was asking around fer one of those clutch pulleys. I have a 6hp Z that would love to carry one. One seller said that IF he had one the price would be $800 as they were a very sought after item.

IF I had known you were gonna give one away so cheap I would have mailed you a money order and met you at the swap to grab it.

Alan Bowen

Williamsburg, Michigan

Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

This seems a bit high to me, considering its bringing probably what the
running engine will. I had one identical to this that I sold at the
Portland Swap Meet last year for $100. I thought I did OK but looks
like I was a bit off on the actual value. Is this a case of 2 guys who
just "have to have it" or what?

Ebay item # 7597583251 or click on link below

http://cgi.ebay.com/CLUTCH-PULLEY-for-Fairbanks-Morse-6hp-Z-Hit-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7597583251QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY

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Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Mar 18 20:31:59 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:31:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Clutch pulley on ebay In-Reply-To: <20060318214124.81743.qmail@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060318214124.81743.qmail@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <441CDEBF.9020206@scrtc.com> And I'd love to have seen you get it! I traded for an R&V a few years ago and the guy said it had a pulley on it. When I got there, no pulley. He gave me the clutch pulley and said I could probably make it fit. I never tried and it sat in my barn. When I headed off to the Portland Swap meet I thought I should throw a few items in the back of the pickup to pay fuel. The pulley was handy to grab so it went in first. I was glad to sell it, it filled the tank twice....... Come to think of it, if I sold it today for $800, it might still only fill the tank twice. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Yer Honor,,,, > > Portland show 2004 I was asking around fer one of those clutch pulleys. I have a 6hp Z that would love to carry one. One seller said that IF he had one the price would be $800 as they were a very sought after item. > > IF I had known you were gonna give one away so cheap I would have mailed you a money order and met you at the swap to grab it. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > > > From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Mar 18 20:59:04 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:59:04 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT bicycle ride In-Reply-To: <000301c64ae8$9138e190$a8118795@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4pbbv5$bu5nr5@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au> Yes Peter,my Missus is one of the riders.This morning the oval was swarming with tents and bikes. I enjoyed a nice quiet drive around Albany this morning. A real nice spot. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Sunday, 19 March 2006 8:03 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT bicycle ride My town is at the moment swarming with bicycles http://www.australiassouthwest.com/en/Action+and+Adventure/2006+Great+Wester n+Australian+Bike+Ride.htm These range from the latest multi K priced machines to the rusty old tredlys that I knew.Must say that some of the riders are a bit precious. I have been working helping to store over 2000 bikes in a building as a service to the visitors while they spend some $$$$ in town........ever tried storing that many bikes in a way that enables you to extract one as the owner needs it? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Mar 19 02:26:51 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:26:51 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT bicycle ride References: <4pbbv5$bu5nr5@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <000701c64b3f$a6d975d0$8bcd31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Yes Ray I was going to drive to Denmark this morning to pick up a Simplex marine engine ......too many bikes on the road. Tomorrow we are packing the bloody cardboard boxes to send them back to Perth........bastard of a job ,not looking forward to it. Seem to be a lot of ''Gays'' riding bikes! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R and E Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] OT bicycle ride > Yes Peter,my Missus is one of the riders.This morning the oval was > swarming > with tents and bikes. I enjoyed a nice quiet drive around Albany this > morning. A real nice spot. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Sunday, 19 March 2006 8:03 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] OT bicycle ride > > My town is at the moment swarming with bicycles > http://www.australiassouthwest.com/en/Action+and+Adventure/2006+Great+Wester > n+Australian+Bike+Ride.htm > These range from the latest multi K priced machines to the rusty old > tredlys > > that I knew.Must say that some of the riders are a bit precious. I have > been > > working helping to store over 2000 bikes in a building as a service to the > visitors while they spend some $$$$ in town........ever tried storing that > many bikes in a way that enables you to extract one as the owner needs it? > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 19 06:18:12 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:18:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317200535.0dba7a80@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317200535.0dba7a80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060319091745.0dc99328@mail.alltel.net> The site is now up. Dave >Hi All, > The 2006 Zolfo Show pictures are now up on my HP. Go to: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on Shows to see them. > Dave From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun Mar 19 09:35:27 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:35:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317200535.0dba7a80@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317200535.0dba7a80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <441D965F.3080609@wightman.ca> Nice selection of pics Dave. Enjoyed them. Actually went out and fired up the Massey for a little while. Will help me to make it to spring. :-) Duncan Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > The 2006 Zolfo Show pictures are now up on my HP. Go to: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on Shows to see them. > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Mar 19 08:22:54 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:22:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr Wrench Message-ID: <20060319.115737.1332.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Alan, Yes - That wrench is common sized for the nuts on the Planet Jr. Mostly for changing impliments. Many can be found on eBay for about $3 - $5 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Mar 19 09:13:12 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:13:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures Message-ID: <20060319.121724.1332.7.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks on letting us know on the site Dave. Nice selection of pics - I like the way you lay them out with captions underneath. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 19 10:42:39 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:42:39 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OT bicycle ride/Albany In-Reply-To: <200603191700.k2JH05NE020414@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060319195128.00b13338@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 19/03/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:03:28 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: [SEL] OT bicycle ride >To: >Message-ID: <000301c64ae8$9138e190$a8118795 at ogborneuah38i3> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > >My town is at the moment swarming with bicycles >http://www.australiassouthwest.com/en/Action+and+Adventure/2006+Great+Western+Australian+Bike+Ride.htm > >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia Hi Peter, Went to the link in your mail and a few things were of interest to me: 1) "Albany was the first settlement in Western Australia ". The 1820 British Settlers to South Africa also settled in an area known as Albany but I don't think they were convicts - at least I hope not - my ancestors were amongst them :-) The Albany museum in Grahamstown is one of our oldest museums and Bathurst has one of our few "agricultural' museums. (These are in the area known as Albany in the "old South Africa"). 2) Pictures of the "Karri" tree look just like our "Bluegum or Saligna" (also from Aus), is this the same tree or just a member of the same family. Our trees are not as big as those in the picture. I'm trying to get some Saligna planks to mount my Ronnie N on at present - he should feel more at home on Aussie timber ! Failing that it will have to be the planks from the crate that Reg sent him over in. 3) The Dutch named the area "New Holland" - is there any tie up between this and the "New Holland" agricultural machines and implements. It would be interesting to know as I always assumed New Holland was from the States - you know, the place where they get "Cabin Fever":-) Lastly: Your guys gave out cricket team a real hiding yesterday but that's O.K.. I'd rather be beaten by Aus than India or Pakistan :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 19 10:37:11 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:37:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Clutch pulley on ebay In-Reply-To: <20060318214124.81743.qmail@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060318214124.81743.qmail@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, I'm afraid I'm with Alan on these clutch pulleys. A couple of summers ago I finally found a 20" clutch pulley with a 2" bore in good working condition with no CBW. Sadly the seller, Kenny Meeks, also knew what they were worth. He did cut me some slack and sold it to me for $600 down from $625. At that point I had been hunting for ~4 years so I did know that they weren't easy to find and weren't cheap if they were in good condition. The thing that bothers me about the one on eBay that started this thread is the "Private Bidders" stuff. It sure would be tempting for someone to do employ a little "shill bidding" if they thought they could get away with it. And how would the buyer ever know? No matter what the seller sez, if he is running "Private Bidders" my first question is what does he have to hide? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 18 Mar 2006, Alan Bowen wrote: > Portland show 2004 I was asking around fer one of those clutch > pulleys. I have a 6hp Z that would love to carry one. One seller said > that IF he had one the price would be $800 as they were a very sought > after item. > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > This seems a bit high to me, considering its bringing probably what the > running engine will. I had one identical to this that I sold at the > Portland Swap Meet last year for $100. I thought I did OK but looks > like I was a bit off on the actual value. Is this a case of 2 guys who > just "have to have it" or what? > Ebay item # 7597583251 or click on link below From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 19 12:26:47 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:26:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT bicycle ride/Albany References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060319195128.00b13338@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <026501c64b93$740f8e10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hey Jerry, those timbers never originated in Oz!! They were off a box that carried bits from overseas. I used em cos they were treated. Shippers wont allow any old bits of wood these days!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" ... I'm trying to get some Saligna planks to mount my Ronnie N > on at present - he should feel more at home on Aussie timber ! Failing > that it will have to be the planks from the crate that Reg sent him over > in. From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 19 16:09:10 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:09:10 EST Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: <2c6.5a8fee1.314f4ca6@aol.com> Yesterday was a great engine day. For years I have passed by a historic home near us and knew that Millie's (my wife) grandfather had installed the original Delco light plant in the home. The folks that lived there were very private not letting anyone on the property. A lawyer friend has recently purchased the property and yesterday I visited with him and the light plant is still there, mostly intact in the plant house, minus the batteries, sorry to say. It is mine and I have a friend who is a light plant collector coming tomorrow to help me evaluate it and determine a fair price to pay my friend. It will be an easy extraction. I do not have any light plants and really only want this one due to the family ties. My friend is an attorney and is in the process of starting renovations that will take the house to its original grandiose! Pictures can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco1 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco2 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco3 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco4 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco5 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 19 17:04:21 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:04:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Great engine day In-Reply-To: <2c6.5a8fee1.314f4ca6@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060320010421.26255.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, I also got one and from what I can see in the pictures, it's the same model. Once you get it out and see what you got I'd like to see more pictures and what ever else you can determin .Mine is 32 volt DC. Thanks for the tour. Ron Frost Kersey, PA Germoamer at aol.com wrote: Yesterday was a great engine day. For years I have passed by a historic home near us and knew that Millie's (my wife) grandfather had installed the original Delco light plant in the home. The folks that lived there were very private not letting anyone on the property. A lawyer friend has recently purchased the property and yesterday I visited with him and the light plant is still there, mostly intact in the plant house, minus the batteries, sorry to say. It is mine and I have a friend who is a light plant collector coming tomorrow to help me evaluate it and determine a fair price to pay my friend. It will be an easy extraction. I do not have any light plants and really only want this one due to the family ties. My friend is an attorney and is in the process of starting renovations that will take the house to its original grandiose! Pictures can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco1 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco2 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco3 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco4 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco5 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-799090296-1142816661=:19044 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Tom,

I also got one and from what I can see in the pictures, it's the same model. Once you get it out and see what you got I'd like to see more pictures and what ever else you can determin .Mine is 32 volt DC.

Thanks for the tour.

Ron Frost

Kersey, PA

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

Yesterday was a great engine day. For years I have passed by a historic home
near us and knew that Millie's (my wife) grandfather had installed the
original Delco light plant in the home. The folks that lived there were very
private not letting anyone on the property. A lawyer friend has recently purchased
the property and yesterday I visited with him and the light plant is still
there, mostly intact in the plant house, minus the batteries, sorry to say. It is
mine and I have a friend who is a light plant collector coming tomorrow to
help me evaluate it and determine a fair price to pay my friend. It will be an
easy extraction. I do not have any light plants and really only want this one
due to the family ties. My friend is an attorney and is in the process of
starting renovations that will take the house to its original grandiose! Pictures
can be seen at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco1
http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco2
http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco3
http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco4
http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco5

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk Sun Mar 19 22:05:17 2006 From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 06:05:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060319091745.0dc99328@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060320060517.51995.qmail@web26315.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Congratulations on getting it up! A.M. --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > The site is now up. > Dave ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos ? NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Mar 20 07:12:45 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:12:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day In-Reply-To: <2c6.5a8fee1.314f4ca6@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060320070624.01b8d430@mail.pennswoods.net> Any of you fine people that would want a 18 volt dc generator i will make you a deal you can't refuse. It was set up in a tow truck with 6 6volt batteries [[i think ]] ant was used for jump starting. It runs good is an onan motor and gen. Contact me off list will be moving with in next 60 days. R Fink PA At 07:09 PM 3/19/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Yesterday was a great engine day. For years I have passed by a historic home >near us and knew that Millie's (my wife) grandfather had installed the >original Delco light plant in the home. The folks that lived there were very >private not letting anyone on the property. A lawyer friend has recently >purchased >the property and yesterday I visited with him and the light plant is still >there, mostly intact in the plant house, minus the batteries, sorry to >say. It is >mine and I have a friend who is a light plant collector coming tomorrow to >help me evaluate it and determine a fair price to pay my friend. It will >be an >easy extraction. I do not have any light plants and really only want this >one >due to the family ties. My friend is an attorney and is in the process of >starting renovations that will take the house to its original grandiose! >Pictures >can be seen at: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco1 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco2 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco3 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco4 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco5 > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 20 06:50:48 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:50:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day References: <2c6.5a8fee1.314f4ca6@aol.com> Message-ID: Wow Tom....BIG WOW on the last one. Thanx RickinMt. > Yesterday was a great engine day. For years I have passed by a historic > home > near us and knew that Millie's (my wife) grandfather had installed the > original Delco light plant in the home. The folks that lived there were > very > private not letting anyone on the property. A lawyer friend has recently > purchased > the property and yesterday I visited with him and the light plant is still > there, mostly intact in the plant house, minus the batteries, sorry to > say. It is > mine and I have a friend who is a light plant collector coming tomorrow to > help me evaluate it and determine a fair price to pay my friend. It will > be an > easy extraction. I do not have any light plants and really only want this > one > due to the family ties. My friend is an attorney and is in the process of > starting renovations that will take the house to its original grandiose! > Pictures > can be seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco1 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco2 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco3 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco4 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco5 > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Mar 20 08:56:07 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:56:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures In-Reply-To: <200603181700.k2IH04uC030433@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: > 12. Zolfo 2006 Pictures (Dave Rotigel) > >Message: 12 >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:08:01 -0500 >From: Dave Rotigel >Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317200535.0dba7a80 at mail.alltel.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Hi All, > The 2006 Zolfo Show pictures are now up on my HP. Go to: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on Shows to see them. > Dave > > > There is a little red engine near the top-center of the page that had two oilers on top. What kind of engine is this? From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 20 09:38:18 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:38:18 EST Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: <1bd.ce084.3150428a@aol.com> In a message dated 3/19/2006 8:29:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, ron217_2000 at yahoo.com writes: << http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco5 >> I should have noted that the "plant house" can be seen in the above photo at the rear of the house. For some reason it was 2 stories high. The exhaust pipe stuck out the rear of the house and was taken off when they quit using it. The piping is stored near the generator and seems to have a muffler attached, but covered by other junk. Will have more once it all comes out of the house. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Mar 20 12:45:20 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:45:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures Message-ID: <20060320.124520.85.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Andy. I believe that is an Edwards. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:56:07 -0500 "Andy Glines" writes: > > > > 12. Zolfo 2006 Pictures (Dave Rotigel) > > > >Message: 12 > >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:08:01 -0500 > >From: Dave Rotigel > >Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures > >To: The SEL email discussion list > > >Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317200535.0dba7a80 at mail.alltel.net> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > >Hi All, > > The 2006 Zolfo Show pictures are now up on my HP. Go to: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on Shows to see > them. > > Dave > > > > > > > There is a little red engine near the top-center of the page that > had two > oilers on top. What kind of engine is this? > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 20 13:06:21 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:06:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures References: <20060320.124520.85.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: and another view of one up in Kalispell, Mt. http://community.webshots.com/photo/49657573/1049827223039077051WceiTL RickinMt. PS..THANKS Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D Haskell" To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures > Hi Andy. > I believe that is an Edwards. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside California USA > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:56:07 -0500 "Andy Glines" > writes: > > > > > > > 12. Zolfo 2006 Pictures (Dave Rotigel) > > > > > >Message: 12 > > >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:08:01 -0500 > > >From: Dave Rotigel > > >Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures > > >To: The SEL email discussion list > > > > >Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317200535.0dba7a80 at mail.alltel.net> > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > >Hi All, > > > The 2006 Zolfo Show pictures are now up on my HP. Go to: > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on Shows to see > > them. > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > There is a little red engine near the top-center of the page that > > had two > > oilers on top. What kind of engine is this? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Mar 20 17:25:15 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:25:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT- Maytag washer Message-ID: <01ae01c64c86$4f5fe0d0$42b6f504@Ed> Some one may want to help Al find a Maytag engine. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: JAnsen4444 at aol.com To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:01 PM Subject: Maytag washer Hi folks ~~~ My first time asking the indulgance of this great, friendly 'n most often ~ helpful group!! I've recently aquired a Maytag washer less its original gas engine but works VERY well w/a small 'lectric motor. The S/N is 431513 but NO obvious model #. Lookin therefore for ANY info or data 'bout these machines in the form of owners manuals or parts manuals, (New or readable reprints) approximate mfg. date or ANY misc info or data that anyone might be willing to share. Also wud be interested in purchasing 'n orig type engine for same at a reasonable price. I thank u all for ANY help 'n info that might be forthcoming !!!! Al Boyer Tolland CT USA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Mar 21 03:18:57 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:18:57 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Jerry's timber Message-ID: <000601c64cd9$429c1fa0$3ac131cb@ogborneuah38i3> Reg ......Eucalyptus Saligna, Sydney Blue Gum, a very Australian Timber. Acacia Saligna, Coojong ,couldn't get more Australian than these two. What Jerry wants is the first for his Ronnie.............sorry to be a pain in the arse! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From plb at iinet.net.au Tue Mar 21 03:45:30 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:45:30 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Jerry's timber In-Reply-To: <000601c64cd9$429c1fa0$3ac131cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4sssth$jqqr53@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au> Well you should be able to get plenty of that Peter. Looks like they grow more Blue Gums down there than anything else!! Ray Freeman Perth W.Australia -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Tuesday, 21 March 2006 7:19 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Jerry's timber Reg ......Eucalyptus Saligna, Sydney Blue Gum, a very Australian Timber. Acacia Saligna, Coojong ,couldn't get more Australian than these two. What Jerry wants is the first for his Ronnie.............sorry to be a pain in the arse! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 21 12:18:20 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:18:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Jerry's timber References: <000601c64cd9$429c1fa0$3ac131cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <028a01c64d24$9b2ce550$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I was referring to the timber I made the crate out of. It was NOT Oz wood. You note he was thinking it was. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Jerry's timber > Reg ......Eucalyptus Saligna, Sydney Blue Gum, a very Australian Timber. > Acacia Saligna, Coojong ,couldn't get more Australian than these two. > What Jerry wants is the first for his Ronnie.............sorry to be a > pain in the arse! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdi at rochester.rr.com Tue Mar 21 18:31:25 2006 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:31:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures References: <200603211700.k2LH04s7020528@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <000401c64d58$b78d7640$a8f0e448@rochester.rr.com> >> "Andy Glines" >> writes: > > > 12. Zolfo 2006 Pictures (Dave Rotigel) > > > ... http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on Shows >>... > > There is a little red engine near the top-center of the page that > > had two oilers on top. What kind of engine is this? > > From: Ron D Haskell > Hi Andy. > I believe that is an Edwards. > Yep, it's surely an Edwards. I have an original ad from Jan., 1924 scanned & up on the web at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Edwards1.jpg -Rick I. From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Tue Mar 21 23:09:46 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:39:46 +1030 Subject: [SEL] auction (steam) with belts Message-ID: <000b01c64d7f$9aa2be60$fdcb8890@chaos> http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?&AuctionNo=160 A lot of steam gear but says " Over 1,100 Lots in this Auction! Many Belt Related Items " Looks like you get an urchin with each lot :-) From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Mar 22 13:01:58 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:01:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures In-Reply-To: <200603221700.k2MH04IX019289@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for the answers. I had never seen an engine like the "Edwards" before. > 2. RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures (Rick I.) > > > >Yep, it's surely an Edwards. I have an original ad from Jan., 1924 scanned >& up on the web at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Edwards1.jpg > >-Rick I. > > From glenn.karch at gte.net Wed Mar 22 16:48:21 2006 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:48:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 52 Message-ID: <001401c64e13$7f10f240$9ae9123f@oemcomputer> Hi, Can anyone out there give me the diameter and width of the flywheels on a Fairbanks Morse 52? Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 22 19:04:27 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:04:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 52 In-Reply-To: <001401c64e13$7f10f240$9ae9123f@oemcomputer> References: <001401c64e13$7f10f240$9ae9123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <023c8c0e9ac0c8a6882f7123f3153c17@chartertn.net> Hang on, let me go measure... Looks like 16" diameter x 2 1/2" rim faces on my oilfield model. John On Mar 22, 2006, at 7:48 PM, Glenn A Karch wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone out there give me the diameter and width of the flywheels > on a > Fairbanks Morse 52? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 24 10:32:25 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:32:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Delete Me - Off Topic - Test Message-ID: This is a test of the SEL e-mail system, this is only a test.......... Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Mar 24 16:19:49 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:19:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Belt power question In-Reply-To: <4sssth$jqqr53@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <20060325002111.77FA7313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> I'm wanting to create some displays to run with engines. Question - how much horsepower can be transmitted by a belt say the size of an old fan belt from a car, or an A/C belt. I have a LOT of old belts I've collected over the years. I've used them for small things like squirrel cage fans and such powered by my engines, but I was wondering, if I get more serious, how much HP can a "fan belt" actually transmit? Heck, how much HP does a car fan take? Can't be much.... And an alternator cranking out 65 amps is drawing what, a bit over 1 hp? Bill Runnells, Iowa USA........... From mholland at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 24 17:56:54 2006 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:56:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Belt power question In-Reply-To: <20060325002111.77FA7313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> References: <4sssth$jqqr53@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au> <20060325002111.77FA7313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <1098.65.6.250.79.1143251814.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Bill, It's 746 watts to the horsepower. Your car alternator is putting out: 65 Amp * 12v = 780 watts. 780/746 = 1.05 Hp As to the belts, one to three horsepower to the belt, but you can get a Gates catolog and it will walk you through the steps to calculate horsepower transmission capacity for sheave size and rpm. Missy Holland > > I'm wanting to create some displays to run with engines. > Question - how much horsepower can be transmitted by a belt say the size > of > an old fan belt from a car, or an A/C belt. > I have a LOT of old belts I've collected over the years. I've used them > for > small things like squirrel cage fans and such powered by my engines, but I > was wondering, if I get more serious, how much HP can a "fan belt" > actually > transmit? > Heck, how much HP does a car fan take? Can't be much.... And an alternator > cranking out 65 amps is drawing what, a bit over 1 hp? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa USA........... > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From glenn.karch at gte.net Fri Mar 24 18:11:06 2006 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:11:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Belt power question References: <20060325002111.77FA7313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000f01c64fb1$62892a80$20a8123f@oemcomputer> Bill, I can't answer your horse power question directly, but here's one from experience. Several years ago we rigged up a 12 volt alternator to be run off the flywheel of an 1 1/2 HP IHC M engine. We used an old V belt from the flywheel to the alternator. We rigged up an electric line with sockets for 12 volt 100 watt bulbs. It pulled one bulb fine, the second made a noticable load and the third bulb about killed the engine. Figure from there. The belt never slipped that we could tell. Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Belt power question > > I'm wanting to create some displays to run with engines. > Question - how much horsepower can be transmitted by a belt say the size of > an old fan belt from a car, or an A/C belt. > I have a LOT of old belts I've collected over the years. I've used them for > small things like squirrel cage fans and such powered by my engines, but I > was wondering, if I get more serious, how much HP can a "fan belt" actually > transmit? > Heck, how much HP does a car fan take? Can't be much.... And an alternator > cranking out 65 amps is drawing what, a bit over 1 hp? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa USA........... > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Fri Mar 24 19:02:05 2006 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:02:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Belt power question In-Reply-To: <20060325002111.77FA7313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: Take a minute and think about some the application belts are used for, I use 2 B belts to drive my 7.2KW generator off a fairbanks 118, I've run it with just one and it was fine. Another is mower decks, those belts seem to take a beating. BTW I built a charger with an 85 amp alternator and a 5HP briggs directly couple to the alternator and when you really load it up it pulls pretty hard on a 5HP briggs at 3600 RPM, actually you can get to the point where it stalls the engine. Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Bill Dickerson wrote: > > I'm wanting to create some displays to run with engines. > Question - how much horsepower can be transmitted by a belt say the size of > an old fan belt from a car, or an A/C belt. > I have a LOT of old belts I've collected over the years. I've used them for > small things like squirrel cage fans and such powered by my engines, but I > was wondering, if I get more serious, how much HP can a "fan belt" actually > transmit? > Heck, how much HP does a car fan take? Can't be much.... And an alternator > cranking out 65 amps is drawing what, a bit over 1 hp? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa USA........... > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paul at semidiesel.com Sat Mar 25 00:03:44 2006 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:03:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Ruston Move Update In-Reply-To: <001401c64e13$7f10f240$9ae9123f@oemcomputer> References: <001401c64e13$7f10f240$9ae9123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4424F960.6010007@semidiesel.com> Apologies to all those who have donated and are wondering about the lack of updates! We have kept delaying and delaying the update in the hope that something would change. The appeal raised over 1500 pounds in less than a week which was far more than we would have dreamed possible. However, having booked the hauliers and got everything ready we had a letter from one of the owners to say that the engine would not now be donated but placed on "permanent loan". The other owner is still happy to donate but both need to agree. This leaves us in a very difficult position. The costs of transport are high enough but installing and restoring such a large engine will cost the museum thousands of pounds. To spend this amount of money on an engine the museum does not own would be an improper use of funds as the owner could ask for the engine back at any time and that money would be lost along with the engine. We have explained our position and are awaiting a response. If nothing changes by the end of the month we will work through all the donations and return them. Very frustrating for us as we had such a good response and will now feel awkward about trying such an appeal ever again. Thanks again to all that helped and sent donations and messages of support. We will send everyone who donated a full explanation at the end of the month. Thanks Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Mar 25 06:21:05 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:21:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ruston Move Update In-Reply-To: <4424F960.6010007@semidiesel.com> Message-ID: <002201c65017$5bdfc7a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > If nothing changes by the end of the month we will work > through all the donations and return them. Hi Paul, While I admire your integrity, I must decline. My donation was made to your museum, and I'm not going to take it back. Use the money for fuel, lights, taxes, or just stash it away for the next big engine that comes along. I'll not go into all the deals in which I've been involved that seemed like "sure things" and then flopped at the last minute. Suffice it to say that sometimes things just don't work out. Who knows? Maybe the owners will eventually come around and donate the engine to the museum. Rob From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Mar 25 06:30:35 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:30:35 EST Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question Message-ID: <320.c3fc29.3156ae0b@aol.com> Hi List, There have been several discussions about starting an engine on battery and then switching to magneto. Since I never thought I would be in a situation where I would need this information, I let it pass. I understand how the Ford Model T battery/magneto system works. Once the Model T engine is started, the operator switches from the battery to the flywheel alternator. All that is being changed is the source of the electrical power. All other ignition components are common. The impulse magneto allows the engine to be started with low RPMs. Question is - how is the stationary engine ignition system wired to allow starting on a battery and then shifting to the magneto (non impulse type) after the engine is started? Is the magneto designed to permit a battery hook up? If so, what type of magneto is it? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1143297035 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi List,

There have been several discussions about starting an engi= ne=20 on battery and then switching to magneto. Since I never thought I woul= d be=20 in a situation where I would need this information, I let it pass. =20

I understand how the Ford Model T battery/magneto system=20 works. Once the Model T engine is started, the operator switches from=20= the=20 battery to the flywheel alternator. All that is being changed is the=20 source of the electrical power. All other ignition components are=20 common.

The impulse magneto allows the engine to be started with low=20 RPMs.

Question is - how is the stationary engine ignition system= =20 wired to allow starting on a battery and then shifting to the magneto (non=20 impulse type) after the engine is started? Is the magneto=20 designed to permit a battery hook up? If so, what type of magneto is=20 it?

Francis=20 Maciel
Santa Maria, CA
From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 25 07:01:26 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:01:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Ruston Move Update In-Reply-To: <4424F960.6010007@semidiesel.com> References: <001401c64e13$7f10f240$9ae9123f@oemcomputer> <4424F960.6010007@semidiesel.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul, > This leaves us in a very difficult position. The costs of transport are > high enough but installing and restoring such a large engine will cost > the museum thousands of pounds. To spend this amount of money on an > engine the museum does not own would be an improper use of funds as the > owner could ask for the engine back at any time and that money would be > lost along with the engine. > > We have explained our position and are awaiting a response. If worse comes to worst and the other gent doesn't agree, we have an expression here that seems like it would apply... Shit happens. Some things you just have no control over; don't beat yourself up about it. > If nothing changes by the end of the month we will work through all the > donations and return them. Very frustrating for us as we had such a good > response and will now feel awkward about trying such an appeal ever again. Let me save you a little time. If THIS project goes tits up, there will be another project that comes along. Please just put my donation into the "Project Fund" to use when the opportunity comes up. As to feeling ackward, I'm sure you do. But you shouldn't. You let the old engine community know about an opportunity that was pretty rare and unique and fast-breaking. Most of us are too far away to offer hand-on wrench turning help, so we do the next best thing, and donate funds. You didn't twist any arms, all of those donations were given freely. Don't worry about it. You're doing good work. I have no doubts at all that the money will be very well spent. > Thanks again to all that helped and sent donations and messages of > support. We will send everyone who donated a full explanation at the end > of the month. Good luck, hopefully the other bloke will come to his senses and you'll be able to report great success. If not, I'm sure that there are other big cool engines that will need to be rescued and put back to gentle work at Internal Fire. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Mar 25 10:00:08 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:00:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ruston Move Update In-Reply-To: <200603251700.k2PH04aq011262@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060325195437.00a9f008@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 25/03/2006, you wrote: >Message: 6 >Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:03:44 +0000 >From: Paul Evans >Subject: [SEL] Ruston Move Update > >If nothing changes by the end of the month we will work through all the >donations and return them. >Thanks >Paul Hi Paul, I think Arnie has already said it all. There will be something else that needs the funds. I would be really surprised if any list member would want his money back - I don't. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From oldironnut at alltel.net Sat Mar 25 13:55:16 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:55:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ruston Move Update In-Reply-To: <4424F960.6010007@semidiesel.com> References: <001401c64e13$7f10f240$9ae9123f@oemcomputer> <4424F960.6010007@semidiesel.com> Message-ID: >Thanks again to all that helped and sent donations and messages of >support. We will send everyone who donated a full explanation at the >end of the month. Paul, I whole heartily agree with Rob and Arnie, keep working to try and save this Ruston but if that doesn't work out please put my small donation in the upcoming project fund. I gave that money freely knowing that nothing was guaranteed in the whole "save the Ruston" project. You do fantastic work for he preservation of old iron and I am very happy to provide at least a little financial support for your amazing efforts. Hopefully in this case the other owner will come to their senses and donate the engine to the museum. Keep up the GREAT work and let us know how it turns out. Take care, Mike From christison at coastalnet.com Sat Mar 25 16:39:14 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:39:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ruston Move Update Message-ID: <410-22006302603914640@coastalnet.com> Paul, Add my "Amen" to the other folks who know you will find good use of the donated funds regardless which engine or project it is applied to. We all hope this deal will still work out, but I bet something else will come along of equal importance if this doesn't. Take care. Ken From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Mar 25 18:58:36 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:58:36 -0600 Subject: Fw: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question Message-ID: <001101c65081$2dcc3a00$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question Francis, The Early I.HC's had such a switch on the battery box. I borrowed one once from Jim Fehl and Don Oberholtzer made up a couple for me. Don might still have some. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:30 AM > Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > > > Hi List, > > There have been several discussions about starting an engine on battery > and > > then switching to magneto. Since I never thought I would be in a > situation > > where I would need this information, I let it pass. > > I understand how the Ford Model T battery/magneto system works. Once the > > Model T engine is started, the operator switches from the battery to the > > flywheel alternator. All that is being changed is the source of the > electrical > > power. All other ignition components are common. > > The impulse magneto allows the engine to be started with low RPMs. > > Question is - how is the stationary engine ignition system wired to allow > > starting on a battery and then shifting to the magneto (non impulse type) > after > > the engine is started? Is the magneto designed to permit a battery hook > up? > > If so, what type of magneto is it? > > > > Francis Maciel > > Santa Maria, CA From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sat Mar 25 18:43:50 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:43:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ruston Move Update In-Reply-To: <002201c65017$5bdfc7a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <4424F960.6010007@semidiesel.com> <002201c65017$5bdfc7a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060325204300.02645ec8@herculesengines.com> Add mine to the future projects account too. Thanks for all your hard work. Keith At 08:21 AM 3/25/2006, you wrote: > > If nothing changes by the end of the month we will work > > through all the donations and return them. > >Hi Paul, >While I admire your integrity, I must decline. My donation >was made to your museum, and I'm not going to take it back. >Use the money for fuel, lights, taxes, or just stash it away >for the next big engine that comes along. > >I'll not go into all the deals in which I've been involved >that seemed like "sure things" and then flopped at the last >minute. Suffice it to say that sometimes things just don't >work out. Who knows? Maybe the owners will eventually come >around and donate the engine to the museum. > >Rob > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From gibsongus at myway.com Sat Mar 25 21:33:40 2006 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:33:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question Message-ID: <20060326053340.9205946905@mprdmxin.myway.com> FR. ask Rob and he will tell you how it works...-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sat 03/25, < FRM8198 at aol.com > wrote: From: [mailto: FRM8198 at aol.com]To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:30:35 ESTSubject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition QuestionHi List, There have been several discussions about starting an engine on battery and then switching to magneto. Since I never thought I would be in a situation where I would need this information, I let it pass. I understand how the Ford Model T battery/magneto system works. Once the Model T engine is started, the operator switches from the battery to the flywheel alternator. All that is being changed is the source of the electrical power. All other ignition components are common.The impulse magneto allows the engine to be started with low RPMs.Question is - how is the stationary engine ignition system wired to allow starting on a battery and then shifting to the magneto (non impulse type) after the engine is started? Is the magneto designed to permit a battery hook up? If so, what type of magneto is it?Francis MacielSanta Maria, CA-------------------------------1143297035Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Arial"=20bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 26 00:50:01 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:50:01 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ruston 2HR restoration. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060326104732.00a8c0b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, I've put up pics and story of the Ruston & Hornsby 2HR that has just been restored by Neville Botha. I hope you enjoy the pics Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From svsuzanne at copper.net Sun Mar 26 02:19:22 2006 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:19:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question References: <320.c3fc29.3156ae0b@aol.com> Message-ID: <003001c650be$c248d840$a7a40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> NEVER try to hook a battery directly to a magneto. It's sure death for the mag. This method of starting an engine works very well but you must use a double pole switch like a knife switch. One side goes to a battery and coil and the other pole goes to the mag. The center contact goes to the igniter. This is low tension stuff we are talking about not the high tension like a Ford T. Do a search on Smoke Stake and to will find many good articles on this subject. Good Luck. DanR ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > Hi List, > There have been several discussions about starting an engine on battery > and > then switching to magneto. Since I never thought I would be in a > situation > where I would need this information, I let it pass. > I understand how the Ford Model T battery/magneto system works. Once the > Model T engine is started, the operator switches from the battery to the > flywheel alternator. All that is being changed is the source of the > electrical > power. All other ignition components are common. > The impulse magneto allows the engine to be started with low RPMs. > Question is - how is the stationary engine ignition system wired to allow > starting on a battery and then shifting to the magneto (non impulse type) > after > the engine is started? Is the magneto designed to permit a battery hook > up? > If so, what type of magneto is it? > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > -------------------------------1143297035 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > FONT-FAMILY:=20= > Arial"=20 > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> id=3Drol= > e_document=20 > face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> >

Hi List,

There have been several discussions about starting an > engi= > ne=20 > on battery and then switching to magneto. Since I never thought I > woul= > d be=20 > in a situation where I would need this information, I let it > pass. =20 >

I understand how the Ford Model T battery/magneto system=20 > works. Once the Model T engine is started, the operator switches > from=20= > the=20 > battery to the flywheel alternator. All that is being changed is > the=20 > source of the electrical power. All other ignition components are=20 > common.

The impulse magneto allows the engine to be started with > low=20 > RPMs.

Question is - how is the stationary engine ignition > system= > =20 > wired to allow starting on a battery and then shifting to the magneto > (non=20 > impulse type) after the engine is started? Is the > magneto=20 > designed to permit a battery hook up? If so, what type of magneto > is=20 > it?

>

>
PTSIZE=3D"10"= >>Francis=20 > Maciel
Santa Maria, CA
> _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/291 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Mar 26 07:34:50 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:34:50 EST Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question Message-ID: <30f.11a2b93.31580e9a@aol.com> In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:40:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, svsuzanne at copper.net writes: NEVER try to hook a battery directly to a magneto. It's sure death for the mag. This method of starting an engine works very well but you must use a double pole switch like a knife switch. One side goes to a battery and coil and the other pole goes to the mag. The center contact goes to the igniter. Dan, Thanks. In researching this subject (_http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm_ (http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm) ), I came to the same conclusion. The battery/magneto ignition system only works with a low tension system using an ignitor. Since I have never seen a battery/magneto system installed on an engine, I wanted to verify the hook up. This setup is probably used when starting larger engines where it isn't possible to turn the crankshaft fast enough to get the magneto to generate a spark. However, there is another question. In operating the low tension magneto without being connected to the ignitor (open circuit) will it cause any damage to the magneto? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1143387290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:40:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20 svsuzanne at copper.net writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>NEVER=20 try to hook a battery directly to a magneto. It's sure death for the
m= ag.=20 This method of starting an engine works very well but you must use a=20
double pole switch like a knife switch. One side goes to a batte= ry=20 and coil
and the other pole goes to the mag. The center contact=20= goes=20 to the igniter.

Dan,

Thanks.

In researching this subject (http://www.old-engine.com/magl= ma.htm),=20 I came to the same conclusion. The battery/magneto ignition system onl= y=20 works with a low tension system using an ignitor. Since I have never s= een=20 a battery/magneto system installed on an engine, I wanted to verify the hook= =20 up. This setup is probably used when starting larger engines where it=20 isn't possible to turn the crankshaft fast enough to g= et=20 the magneto to generate a spark.

However, there is another question. In operating the low=20 tension magneto without being connected to the ignitor (open circuit) will i= t=20 cause any damage to the magneto?

Francis=20 Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Mar 26 07:36:30 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:36:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ruston 2HR restoration. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060326104732.00a8c0b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <200603261536.k2QFacji027107@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 12:50 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Ruston 2HR restoration. Hi All, I've put up pics and story of the Ruston & Hornsby 2HR that has just been restored by Neville Botha. I hope you enjoy the pics Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thank you, Jerry, for posting the pictures and the interesting narrative. It was the next best thing to being there, in person. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Mar 26 07:40:09 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:40:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question Message-ID: <2e9.433c31c.31580fd9@aol.com> In a message dated 3/25/2006 9:40:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, gibsongus at myway.com writes: FR. ask Rob and he will tell you how it works...----------------- Thanks Gus. I am planning to go to Tulare next month and I hope to see him at that time. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1143387609 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 3/25/2006 9:40:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20 gibsongus at myway.com writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>FR. ask=20 Rob and he will tell you how it=20 works...-----------------

Thanks Gus. I am planning to go to Tulare next month and=20= I=20 hope to see him at that time.=20

Francis=20 Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

From svsuzanne at copper.net Sun Mar 26 13:21:05 2006 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:21:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question References: <30f.11a2b93.31580e9a@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01c6511b$32ca8da0$44a40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> Naw, won't hurt a thing. Of course when the mag is open circuit you have to have the battery/coil hooked up or the darn thing won't start at all. I know this because I've been asleep at the switch a time or two. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > > In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:40:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > svsuzanne at copper.net writes: > > NEVER try to hook a battery directly to a magneto. It's sure death for > the > mag. This method of starting an engine works very well but you must use a > double pole switch like a knife switch. One side goes to a battery and > coil > and the other pole goes to the mag. The center contact goes to the > igniter. > > > Dan, > Thanks. > In researching this subject (_http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm_ > (http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm) ), I came to the same conclusion. > The > battery/magneto ignition system only works with a low tension system > using an > ignitor. Since I have never seen a battery/magneto system installed on > an engine, I > wanted to verify the hook up. This setup is probably used when starting > larger engines where it isn't possible to turn the crankshaft fast enough > to get > the magneto to generate a spark. > However, there is another question. In operating the low tension magneto > without being connected to the ignitor (open circuit) will it cause any > damage > to the magneto? > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > -------------------------------1143387290 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > FONT-FAMILY:=20= > Arial"=20 > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> id=3Drol= > e_document=20 > face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> >

In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:40:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20 > svsuzanne at copper.net writes:

> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px > solid"><= > FONT=20 > style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 > size= > =3D2>NEVER=20 > try to hook a battery directly to a magneto. It's sure death for the >
m= > ag.=20 > This method of starting an engine works very well but you must use a=20 >
double pole switch like a knife switch. One side goes to a > batte= > ry=20 > and coil
and the other pole goes to the mag. The center > contact=20= > goes=20 > to the igniter.

Dan,

Thanks.

In researching this subject ( href=3D"http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm">http://www.old-engine.com/magl= > ma.htm),=20 > I came to the same conclusion. The battery/magneto ignition system > onl= > y=20 > works with a low tension system using an ignitor. Since I have never > s= > een=20 > a battery/magneto system installed on an engine, I wanted to verify the > hook= > =20 > up. This setup is probably used when starting larger engines where > it=20 > isn't possible to turn the crankshaft fast enough to > g= > et=20 > the magneto to generate a spark.

However, there is another question. In operating the > low=20 > tension magneto without being connected to the ignitor (open circuit) will > i= > t=20 > cause any damage to the magneto?

PTSIZE=3D"10"= >>Francis=20 > Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

> _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/291 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 > > From bl_6000 at yahoo.com.au Sun Mar 26 13:35:24 2006 From: bl_6000 at yahoo.com.au (Brad Latta) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:35:24 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 24, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <200603261700.k2QH05r0005928@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <20060326213524.97251.qmail@web38010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ruston Move Update (Jerry Evans) > 2. Re: Ruston Move Update (Michael Tucker) > 3. RE: Ruston Move Update (Ken Christison) > 4. Fw: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > (Charles R Bryant) > 5. RE: Ruston Move Update (Keith Kinney) > 6. RE: Magneto/Battery Ignition Question (Gus) > 7. Ruston 2HR restoration. (Jerry Evans) > 8. Re: Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > (svsuzanne at copper.net) > 9. Re: Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > (FRM8198 at aol.com) > 10. RE: Ruston 2HR restoration. (Orrin Iseminger) > 11. Re: Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > (FRM8198 at aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:00:08 +0200 > From: Jerry Evans > Subject: [SEL] Ruston Move Update > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Message-ID: > <5.2.1.1.0.20060325195437.00a9f008 at mail.cyberserv.co.za> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > At 07:00 PM 25/03/2006, you wrote: > >Message: 6 > >Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:03:44 +0000 > >From: Paul Evans > >Subject: [SEL] Ruston Move Update > > > > > >If nothing changes by the end of the month we will > work through all the > >donations and return them. > >Thanks > >Paul > > Hi Paul, > I think Arnie has already said it all. > There will be something > else that needs the funds. I would be really > surprised if any list member > would want his money back - I don't. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:55:16 -0500 > From: Michael Tucker > Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston Move Update > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; > format="flowed" > > >Thanks again to all that helped and sent donations > and messages of > >support. We will send everyone who donated a full > explanation at the > >end of the month. > > Paul, > > I whole heartily agree with Rob and Arnie, keep > working to try and > save this Ruston but if that doesn't work out please > put my small > donation in the upcoming project fund. I gave that > money freely > knowing that nothing was guaranteed in the whole > "save the Ruston" > project. You do fantastic work for he preservation > of old iron and I > am very happy to provide at least a little financial > support for your > amazing efforts. Hopefully in this case the other > owner will come to > their senses and donate the engine to the museum. > Keep up the GREAT > work and let us know how it turns out. > > Take care, > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:39:14 -0500 > From: "Ken Christison" > Subject: RE: [SEL] Ruston Move Update > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Message-ID: <410-22006302603914640 at coastalnet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Paul, > > Add my "Amen" to the other folks who know you will > find > good use of the donated funds regardless which > engine or > project it is applied to. > > We all hope this deal will still work out, but I bet > something > else will come along of equal importance if this > doesn't. > > Take care. > > Ken > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:58:36 -0600 > From: "Charles R Bryant" > Subject: Fw: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > To: > Message-ID: > <001101c65081$2dcc3a00$2e01a8c0 at myhome.westell.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > > Francis, > > The Early I.HC's had such a switch on the battery > box. I borrowed > one once from Jim Fehl and Don Oberholtzer made up > a couple for me. Don > might still have some. > > Charlie Bryant > Jay, Maine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:30 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > > > > > > Hi List, > > > There have been several discussions about > starting an engine on battery > > and > > > then switching to magneto. Since I never > thought I would be in a > === message truncated === Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 26 13:56:47 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:56:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie N update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060326234655.00abfde0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, I have been working on "Reggie" the Ronaldson & Tippet Model N that Reg Ingold got for me for the last 3 weeks (on and off). I've put a webpage on my site showing the progress or "telling the story". I plan to update it as and when I work on the engine and as of tonight it is up to date. Be warned that it is quite long so only look when you have a few minutes to spare. I hope you enjoy it. I'm sending this mail out as the page uploads and it looks like it will be up in about 20 minutes. The time here is 12:00 midnight ( GMT +2 hours) so those who get this mail immediately may have to wait a few minutes. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 26 14:03:59 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:03:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question In-Reply-To: <000b01c6511b$32ca8da0$44a40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> References: <30f.11a2b93.31580e9a@aol.com> <000b01c6511b$32ca8da0$44a40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> Message-ID: <8ee9bae85abc29b271b490f136f7c183@chartertn.net> It will hurt something if you hook a battery to a low tension magneto. It'll demagnetize the magnets. John On Mar 26, 2006, at 4:21 PM, wrote: > Naw, won't hurt a thing. Of course when the mag is open circuit you > have to have the battery/coil hooked up or the darn thing won't start > at all. I know this because I've been asleep at the switch a time or > two. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 26 15:10:46 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:10:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie N update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060326234655.00abfde0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060326234655.00abfde0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060326180815.026d87a0@mail.alltel.net> > > I'm sending this mail out as the page uploads and it looks like > it will be up in about 20 minutes. The time here is 12:00 midnight ( GMT > +2 hours) so those who get this mail immediately may have to wait a few > minutes. >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans Looking GOOD Jerry! Thanks for a great story. Be sure to let us know when it's first show will be and be sure to post pictures! Dave PS, Who is the odd looking bloke in http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reggie/reggie3.jpg? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 26 16:05:31 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:05:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie N update References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060326234655.00abfde0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6.1.2.0.0.20060326180815.026d87a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <04ea01c65132$2c387530$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thats rich, coming from you!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" > PS, Who is the odd looking bloke in > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reggie/reggie3.jpg? From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Mar 26 16:31:36 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:31:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question In-Reply-To: <000b01c6511b$32ca8da0$44a40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> Message-ID: <20060327003258.49D09313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Yes, it will. Maybe some of those folks out here don't want to risk it, do what you want, but there is the risk of demagnetizing a low tension mag. If you wanny play Russian roulette with your mag, fine, but I won't suggest it's ok for others to do it. Use a single pole double-throw knife switch and you can do it safely. There's a good clean safe way to do it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of svsuzanne at copper.net Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 3:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question Naw, won't hurt a thing. Of course when the mag is open circuit you have to have the battery/coil hooked up or the darn thing won't start at all. I know this because I've been asleep at the switch a time or two. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > > In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:40:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > svsuzanne at copper.net writes: > > NEVER try to hook a battery directly to a magneto. It's sure death > for the mag. This method of starting an engine works very well but > you must use a double pole switch like a knife switch. One side goes > to a battery and coil and the other pole goes to the mag. The center > contact goes to the igniter. > > > Dan, > Thanks. > In researching this subject (_http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm_ > (http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm) ), I came to the same conclusion. > The > battery/magneto ignition system only works with a low tension system > using an ignitor. Since I have never seen a battery/magneto system > installed on an engine, I wanted to verify the hook up. This setup > is probably used when starting larger engines where it isn't possible > to turn the crankshaft fast enough to get the magneto to generate a > spark. > However, there is another question. In operating the low tension > magneto without being connected to the ignitor (open circuit) will it > cause any damage to the magneto? > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > -------------------------------1143387290 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > charset=3DUS-ASCII"> name=3DGENERATOR> 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY:=20= Arial"=20 > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> id=3Drol= e_document=20 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>

In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:40:27 A.M. Pacific Standard > Time,=20 svsuzanne at copper.net writes:

style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px > solid"><= FONT=20 > style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 > size= =3D2>NEVER=20 try to hook a battery directly to a magneto. It's > sure death for the
m= ag.=20 This method of starting an engine > works very well but you must use a=20
double pole switch like a > knife switch. One side goes to a batte= ry=20 and coil
and > the other pole goes to the mag. The center contact=20= goes=20 > to the igniter.

Dan,

Thanks.

In researching > this subject ( href=3D"http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm">http://www.old-engine.co > m/magl= > ma.htm),=20 > I came to the same conclusion. The battery/magneto ignition > system onl= y=20 works with a low tension system using an > ignitor. Since I have never s= een=20 a battery/magneto system > installed on an engine, I wanted to verify the hook= =20 up. > This setup is probably used when starting larger engines where it=20 > isn't possible to turn the crankshaft fast > enough to g= et=20 the magneto to generate a spark.

However, there is another question. In operating > the low=20 tension magneto without being connected to the ignitor > (open circuit) will i= t=20 cause any damage to the > magneto?

PTSIZE=3D"10"= >>Francis=20 > Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

> _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/291 - Release Date: > 3/24/2006 > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Mar 27 01:48:49 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:48:49 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Been looking for one of these for years! Message-ID: <000a01c65183$aa0381c0$12218795@ogborneuah38i3> Last Saturday I was given a Stuart Lighting Plant R3 . It is almost complete ,just needs a magneto...a Lucas RS1 .I would be interested to hear from any Australian member who has one of these little lighting plants. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From svsuzanne at copper.net Mon Mar 27 03:16:27 2006 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:16:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question References: <20060327003258.49D09313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <003b01c6518f$e5b55fc0$28a40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> Maybe I read the question wrong. I thought it was about the mag turning but not hooked to the igniter. That would mean the engine was fired by the battery and coil. If it was about hooking the battery to the mag then you are absolutely correct. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > Yes, it will. Maybe some of those folks out here don't want to risk it, do > what you want, but there is the risk of demagnetizing a low tension mag. > > If you wanny play Russian roulette with your mag, fine, but I won't > suggest > it's ok for others to do it. > > Use a single pole double-throw knife switch and you can do it safely. > There's a good clean safe way to do it. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > svsuzanne at copper.net > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 3:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > Naw, won't hurt a thing. Of course when the mag is open circuit you have > to > have the battery/coil hooked up or the darn thing won't start at all. I > know this because I've been asleep at the switch a time or two. > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > >> >> >> In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:40:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> svsuzanne at copper.net writes: >> >> NEVER try to hook a battery directly to a magneto. It's sure death >> for the mag. This method of starting an engine works very well but >> you must use a double pole switch like a knife switch. One side goes >> to a battery and coil and the other pole goes to the mag. The center >> contact goes to the igniter. >> >> >> Dan, >> Thanks. >> In researching this subject (_http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm_ >> (http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm) ), I came to the same conclusion. >> The >> battery/magneto ignition system only works with a low tension system >> using an ignitor. Since I have never seen a battery/magneto system >> installed on an engine, I wanted to verify the hook up. This setup >> is probably used when starting larger engines where it isn't possible >> to turn the crankshaft fast enough to get the magneto to generate a >> spark. >> However, there is another question. In operating the low tension >> magneto without being connected to the ignitor (open circuit) will it >> cause any damage to the magneto? >> >> >> Francis Maciel >> Santa Maria, CA >> >> -------------------------------1143387290 >> Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> >> > charset=3DUS-ASCII"> > name=3DGENERATOR> > 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY:=20= Arial"=20 >> bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7>> id=3Drol= e_document=20 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>

In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:40:27 A.M. Pacific Standard >> Time,=20 svsuzanne at copper.net writes:

> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px >> solid"><= FONT=20 >> style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 >> size= =3D2>NEVER=20 try to hook a battery directly to a magneto. It's >> sure death for the
m= ag.=20 This method of starting an engine >> works very well but you must use a=20
double pole switch like a >> knife switch. One side goes to a batte= ry=20 and coil
and >> the other pole goes to the mag. The center contact=20= goes=20 >> to the igniter.

Dan,

Thanks.

In researching >> this subject (> href=3D"http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm">http://www.old-engine.co >> m/magl= >> ma.htm),=20 >> I came to the same conclusion. The battery/magneto ignition >> system onl= y=20 works with a low tension system using an >> ignitor. Since I have never s= een=20 a battery/magneto system >> installed on an engine, I wanted to verify the hook= =20 up. >> This setup is probably used when starting larger engines where it=20 >> isn't possible to turn the crankshaft fast >> enough to g= et=20 the magneto to generate a spark.

However, there is another question. In operating >> the low=20 tension magneto without being connected to the ignitor >> (open circuit) will i= t=20 cause any damage to the >> magneto?

> PTSIZE=3D"10"= >>>Francis=20 >> Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

>> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/291 - Release Date: >> 3/24/2006 >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/291 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Mar 27 04:09:56 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:09:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: <20060327120915.HZOQ14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Some pics from the Canberra Rally: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 27 06:05:16 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:05:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Novo hand hole cover plate (#7603709616) Message-ID: I think someone (Tommy S.?) was recently looking for a hand hole cover plate for a Novo S. There's one on eBay now. See ya, Arnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7603709616 ----------------------------------------------------------------- novo farm hit miss gas stationary engine cover plate! Item number: 7603709616 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Current bid: US $9.99 Time left: 7 days 13 hours 10-day listing Ends Apr-03-0611:08:52 PDT ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 27 06:38:32 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:38:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: <20060327.093851.816.9.jlb94@juno.com> Nice Pics Pat, I especially like the New Record Drag Saw with that "special" blade. Very nice idea. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 27 07:18:19 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:18:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally References: <20060327.093851.816.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Pip, I also liked the dragsaw in regards to the belt tensioner. I thought maybe I could rig something like that up on the Gal sawing outfit. But I don't think it would work with the driver pulley being larger that the driven pulley. I know I've had the belt completely loose and it still taxes the starting of the engine pretty good. But I did have a nice day saturday...cranked up the two Gals and Eco...ran them for around an hour. Spring is in the air!!! later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Canberra Rally > Nice Pics Pat, > > I especially like the New Record Drag Saw with that "special" blade. > > Very nice idea. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we > think we're worth." > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 27 08:48:23 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:48:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally / now Galloway saw rig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick, I just used our 7hp Economy buzz rig for a few hours this weekend. I've never had a hard time starting it with the belt on and the belt tensioner on also. Are your shaft bearings too tight on the saw portion? Sounds like you have excess friction somewhere if the engine doesn't start right up and get up to speed. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================ >From: "Richard Strobel" > >I know I've had the belt completely loose and it still taxes >the starting of the engine pretty good. > >later, >RickinMt. > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 27 12:07:32 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:07:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: <20060327.093851.816.9.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060327.093851.816.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060327150534.04842a00@mail.alltel.net> At 09:38 AM 3/27/2006, you wrote: >Nice Pics Pat, > >I especially like the New Record Drag Saw with that "special" blade. > >Very nice idea. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Looks to me as though it does NOT do much sawing--even if the "business" blade was put on! Guess it's a "classic" stationary display! See: http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/03/24/katrina.testscores.ap/index.html Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 27 12:10:14 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:10:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Too Nice To Use? Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060327150812.04886df8@mail.alltel.net> This was just posted to Harry's Classified page. The thing is beautiful! See: MESSAGE: (#35956) MISC. FS: Ign. Box AUTHOR: Randy Tucker NC oldmotors at aol.com DATE: Monday, 27 March 2006, at 1:57 p.m. I have built some more of these boxes. They will run ignitor or buzz coil (spark plug) engines. They come with every thing you need to hook it up to your engine and also comes with a battery charger. The box is make of oak and oak veneer and has a tray in top to hold wires and some tools. The box is 8" wide x 8" tall x 16" long. $150 plus shipping. Thanks Randy Photo: *************************************************************************** From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 27 12:17:16 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:17:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060327150534.04842a00@mail.alltel.net> References: <20060327.093851.816.9.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060327150534.04842a00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060327151627.048725e0@mail.alltel.net> My BAD! See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can06/can06071.JPG Dave At 03:07 PM 3/27/2006, you wrote: >At 09:38 AM 3/27/2006, you wrote: >>Nice Pics Pat, >> >>I especially like the New Record Drag Saw with that "special" blade. >> >>Very nice idea. >> >>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > >Looks to me as though it does NOT do much sawing--even if the "business" >blade was put on! Guess it's a "classic" stationary display! See: >http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/03/24/katrina.testscores.ap/index.html > Dave From shop at cccomm.net Mon Mar 27 12:30:44 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:30:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tulare References: <2e9.433c31c.31580fd9@aol.com> Message-ID: <005a01c651dd$53197f40$6501a8c0@Shop> > Thanks Gus. I am planning to go to Tulare next month and I hope to see > him > at that time. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA By the way who all is going to Tulare next month? Dave From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Mon Mar 27 13:00:01 2006 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:00:01 EST Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: <318.118d67e.3159ac51@aol.com> In a message dated 3/27/2006 12:41:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, shop at cccomm.net writes: > > By the way who all is going to Tulare next month? > Dave > > > Wink And Ginger will be there with the WAPA bunch. Maybe we could have a group photo of the SEL folks?.......just a thought. Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= --part1_318.118d67e.3159ac51_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 3/27/2006 12:41:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, shop at cccomm.net wri= tes:

By the way who all is going to Tulare next month?
Dave

Wink And Ginger will be there with the WAPA bunch. Maybe we could have= a group photo of the SEL folks?.......just a thought.

Wink & Ginger Thornton,
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3D4114826&a=3D30951078&= amp;pw=3D From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Mar 27 13:14:25 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:14:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: <20060327.131426.212.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> I plan on being there. I will display with WAPA. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:30:44 -0800 "Dave Ernst" writes: > > Thanks Gus. I am planning to go to Tulare next month and I hope > to see > > him > > at that time. > > > > Francis Maciel > > Santa Maria, CA > > By the way who all is going to Tulare next month? > Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 27 13:23:36 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:23:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <318.118d67e.3159ac51@aol.com> References: <318.118d67e.3159ac51@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060327162241.04882f60@mail.alltel.net> >Wink And Ginger will be there with the WAPA bunch. > >Wink & Ginger Thornton, Is this group of which you speak Italian? Dave From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Mar 27 13:50:15 2006 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:50:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Monitor VJ Message-ID: <001e01c651e8$7058fb20$a4382f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi All, Jst getting going with a small monitor , had it running this evening. A small question regarding colour at the moment it is painted a burgandy shade which doesn't do it any justice . Is this correct or should it be grey if so what are to correct shades. Thanks, Craig in Scotland From cjclem at sysim.net Mon Mar 27 15:09:35 2006 From: cjclem at sysim.net (John) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:09:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Monitor VJ In-Reply-To: <001e01c651e8$7058fb20$a4382f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <001e01c651e8$7058fb20$a4382f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <1143500975.442870af72c07@webmail.sysim.net> Maroon or Burgundy is probably original color. Is it 2 flywheel engine or sigle? Joe Prindle of Wis is the expert, he makes the Badger steam & gas webpage. Contact thru that, if I can help further email back please. Quoting craig morrison : > Hi All, > Jst getting going with a small monitor , had it running this > evening. > A small question regarding colour at the moment it is painted a > burgandy shade which doesn't do it any justice . Is this correct or > should it be grey if so what are to correct shades. > > Thanks, Craig in Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Mar 27 15:11:51 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:11:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally References: <20060327.093851.816.9.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060327150534.04842a00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <006401c651f3$d544b370$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Dave According to the owner the "business" blade actually works a treat. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Canberra Rally > At 09:38 AM 3/27/2006, you wrote: > >Nice Pics Pat, > > > >I especially like the New Record Drag Saw with that "special" blade. > > > >Very nice idea. > > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > Looks to me as though it does NOT do much sawing--even if the "business" > blade was put on! Guess it's a "classic" stationary display! See: > http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/03/24/katrina.testscores.ap/index.html > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Mar 27 15:51:59 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:51:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> RE: Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: <20060327120915.HZOQ14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <200603272352.k2RNqDxN080890@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you for the great pictures, Patrick. I enjoyed them all. Is there something wrong with the link to a larger view of one of the models? It is the second to last on the right. I think it is a Domestic stovepipe engine. It looks as if there wouldn't have been many models had Reg not been there. Impressive lineup, Reg! Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 4:10 AM To: Stationary Engine Mailing List; Stationary Engine ATIS List Subject: Canberra Rally Some pics from the Canberra Rally: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 27 15:59:12 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:59:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] replating fasteners? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060327150534.04842a00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> Anyone here have experience "replating" old or discoloured fasteners such as nuts, bolts, etc.? I think I heard something about a "kit" from Eastwood - what about doing it with parts and/or supplies on-hand? One thought is to use a PC power supply, but what about materials/chemicals involved? Thoughts? Bill Runnells, Iowa, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 27 09:00:18 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:00:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: <20060327.195138.1048.0.jlb94@juno.com> belt completely loose and it still taxes the starting of the engine pretty good. = = = = = Hi Rick, I liked the belt tensioner also. When I had my buzz saw, I kept the belt tight and used the saw blade as inertia to get the engine started. Rather than starting the engine then tightening the belt. It seemed to work okay But - A belt tensioner would work nicer. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Mon Mar 27 18:01:03 2006 From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:01:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Too Nice To Use? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060327150812.04886df8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003201c6520b$78b232a0$6401a8c0@ThinkPadA31p> I have one of these boxes .They are well made and function flawlessesly Tommy Berry -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 3:10 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Too Nice To Use? This was just posted to Harry's Classified page. The thing is beautiful! See: MESSAGE: (#35956) MISC. FS: Ign. Box AUTHOR: Randy Tucker NC oldmotors at aol.com DATE: Monday, 27 March 2006, at 1:57 p.m. I have built some more of these boxes. They will run ignitor or buzz coil (spark plug) engines. They come with every thing you need to hook it up to your engine and also comes with a battery charger. The box is make of oak and oak veneer and has a tray in top to hold wires and some tools. The box is 8" wide x 8" tall x 16" long. $150 plus shipping. Thanks Randy Photo: ************************************************************************ *** _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 27 18:30:07 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:30:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: <006401c651f3$d544b370$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <20060327.093851.816.9.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060327150534.04842a00@mail.alltel.net> <006401c651f3$d544b370$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060327212842.048f0548@mail.alltel.net> Why on earth wasn't he sawing at the rally? A drag saw makes one hell of a good display--WHEN IT IS SAWING! Dave At 06:11 PM 3/27/2006, you wrote: >Hi Dave > >According to the owner the "business" blade actually works a treat. > >Ron >Canberra > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:07 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Canberra Rally > > > > At 09:38 AM 3/27/2006, you wrote: > > >Nice Pics Pat, > > > > > >I especially like the New Record Drag Saw with that "special" blade. > > > > > >Very nice idea. > > > > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > > > Looks to me as though it does NOT do much sawing--even if the "business" > > blade was put on! Guess it's a "classic" stationary display! See: > > http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/03/24/katrina.testscores.ap/index.html > > Dave > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From segray at mlode.com Mon Mar 27 23:55:41 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:55:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <005a01c651dd$53197f40$6501a8c0@Shop> References: <2e9.433c31c.31580fd9@aol.com> <005a01c651dd$53197f40$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <4428EBFD.3020803@mlode.com> I hope to make it this year. Will probably take the 25 horse Fairbanks Y and the little Fairbanks headless. -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dave Ernst wrote: >> Thanks Gus. I am planning to go to Tulare next month and I hope to >> see him >> at that time. >> >> Francis Maciel >> Santa Maria, CA > > > By the way who all is going to Tulare next month? > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Tue Mar 28 02:05:28 2006 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:05:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally References: <20060327120915.HZOQ14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000c01c6524f$24601b10$0301a8c0@Young1203> Thanks Patrick, as usual a job well done - a bit late though - we expect these things to be posted Sunday by 9:00 you know!!! Good to see some good american engines. Edds Foos, Brocks White and the Witte did it for me. Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine Mailing List" ; "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally > Some pics from the Canberra Rally: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Mar 28 03:37:48 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:37:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] RE: Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: <200603272352.k2RNqDxN080890@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <20060328113708.KPZM25377.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Orrin, I usually manage to stuff up a picture or two on the pages :( Reg had a good display (as always) but I really liked the scale traction engines. It is not often so many are seen together. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Thank you for the great pictures, Patrick. I enjoyed them all. Is there something wrong with the link to a larger view of one of the models? It is the second to last on the right. I think it is a Domestic stovepipe engine. It looks as if there wouldn't have been many models had Reg not been there. Impressive lineup, Reg! Best regards, Orrin From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Mar 28 04:47:21 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:47:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Stationary Engine Magazine Message-ID: <002701c65265$c4d907d0$1785a33a@ogborneuah38i3> Is there anyone who has edition 248 ? On page 16-17 there is an article on a Stuart Turner collection. I would be grateful to know the authors name........thanks in advance. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 28 06:29:38 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:29:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Monitor VJ In-Reply-To: <001e01c651e8$7058fb20$a4382f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <001e01c651e8$7058fb20$a4382f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <44294852.5090701@imc-group.com> Craig, The battleship grey is indeed the original colour of Baker Monitor engines. However, if you think burgundy doesn't do it justice, grey on a VJ will simply bore you to sleep. Yawn.... Authenticity aside we decided we would detour from the original colours and go with burgundy and black accents. Essentially if the parts were stationary we painted them burgundy, and the parts that rolled or oscillated were painted black. All done this is how it turned out. Colour is certainly in the eye of the beholder, but we still feel this was a more attractive choice over the original grey. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Same burgundy color code as early 70's Jaguar sedans. craig morrison wrote: >Hi All, > Jst getting going with a small monitor , had it running this evening. > A small question regarding colour at the moment it is painted a burgandy shade which doesn't do it any justice . Is this correct or should it be grey if so what are to correct shades. > > Thanks, Craig in Scotland >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 28 07:04:57 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:04:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Monitor VJ In-Reply-To: <44294852.5090701@imc-group.com> References: <001e01c651e8$7058fb20$a4382f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <44294852.5090701@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060328100143.0494de48@mail.alltel.net> >Colour is certainly in the eye of the beholder, but we still feel this was >a more attractive choice over the original grey. >Curt Holland Hi Curt, While Aristotle would agree with you, Plato would call your attention to the objective reality within which each colo(u)r exists independently of you and/or others! Dave From nick at holden1.net Tue Mar 28 07:18:38 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:18:38 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Stationary Engine Magazine References: <002701c65265$c4d907d0$1785a33a@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <442953CD.000001.01856@SN049699720452> Hi Peter Having just got back from work one of the jobs was to service A machine at Stuart Turner Ltd "The pump people " I asked about old pumps as I had a camera with me but no one seamed Interested but on the bright side I just looked on stationary engine web site And they have article reprints at 2 for ?2.50 and they have the one you want Nick Holden Banbury (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: peter ogborne Date: 03/28/06 14:10:17 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Stationary Engine Magazine Is there anyone who has edition 248 ? On page 16-17 there is an article on a Stuart Turner collection. I would be grateful to know the authors name........thanks in advance. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Mar 28 07:08:01 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:08:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: <20060328.105337.904.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave, In reply to my comment and your comment about the New Record Drag Saw. There is nothing better than to see a Drag Saw in action. But, you have to admit, it's days work to keep it sawing. I like this as it gives the idea of how it works without all the fuss. That is, - - - IF - - - the engine is running. If it's just a static sidplay, then put the real blade on. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 28 08:41:05 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:41:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: <20060328.105337.904.5.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060328.105337.904.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060328113702.0498cec0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Joe, As of now I plan to bring two drag saws to the Hammer In and Plow Days. I think you have already seen my 5 HP Ottawa. I bought a 2 HP Witte in the late fall and the HI/PD will be it's first show. I'll likely need a hand to keep up with both of them--are you volunteering? Dave At 10:08 AM 3/28/2006, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >In reply to my comment and your comment about the New Record Drag Saw. > >There is nothing better than to see a Drag Saw in action. >But, you have to admit, it's days work to keep it sawing. > >I like this as it gives the idea of how it works without all the fuss. >That is, - - - IF - - - the engine is running. >If it's just a static sidplay, then put the real blade on. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Mar 28 11:24:36 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:24:36 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: <200603281700.k2SH04p7032060@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <20060328212700.SM01288@new.databak.co.za> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Canberra Rally Hi Patrick, Thanks - I think I should keep an eMail template for replies to your posts after shows. They are always very quick, the pics are good, the pages load fast (even on my dialup). Does your wife sit next to you with a Laptop on the way home so that everything is ready to upload as soon as you get home ? You get the pages up so fast - I often wonder ! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Mar 28 11:14:46 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:14:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] replating fasteners? In-Reply-To: <200603281700.k2SH04p7032060@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060328205641.00ad63f8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 28/03/2006, you wrote: >From: "Bill Dickerson" >Subject: [SEL] replating fasteners? >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > >Anyone here have experience "replating" old or discoloured fasteners such as >nuts, bolts, etc.? > >I think I heard something about a "kit" from Eastwood - what about doing it >with parts and/or supplies on-hand? >One thought is to use a PC power supply, but what about materials/chemicals >involved? >Thoughts? >Bill >Runnells, Iowa, USA Hi Bill, This is not exactly "plating". If they were originally black what I do is as follows: Heat them to cherry red and dunk them in old used oil (oil drained from a diesel engine is quite thin - especially if it missed an oil change or two - and works well. Alternatively add a little paraffin to thin the oil down). The item can then be "brushed" with a rotary wire brush and gives a very nice black satin finish which lasts well and is fairly resistant to rust. Points to remember: 1) Getting the heat "just right" needs a bit of experimenting. Too little and the oil is not absorbed and wire brushing just takes it off again. Too much and you have to find a replacement part. 2) Wear gloves - the first time I did this my hands were black for almost a week - no amount of scrubbing helps. (I'm a Caucasian - my hands are not normally black !!) Hope this helps. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Mar 28 11:45:18 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:45:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: <20060328.153642.1120.4.jlb94@juno.com> in the late fall and the HI/PD will be it's first show. I'll likely need a hand to keep up with both of them--are you volunteering? = = = = = = I'll do what I can. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Tue Mar 28 13:28:40 2006 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:28:40 EST Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: <2bc.79bff86.315b0488@aol.com> In a message dated 3/27/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > >Wink And Ginger will be there with the WAPA bunch. > > > >Wink & Ginger Thornton, > > Is this group of which you speak Italian? > Dave > > No, Dave, I think you're referring to the SPLAT bunch......there in the next isle over! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= --part1_2bc.79bff86.315b0488_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 3/27/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net w= rites:

>Wink And Ginger will be there with the WAPA bunch.
>
>Wink & Ginger Thornton,

Is this group of which you speak Italian?
Dave

No, Dave,
I think you're referring to the SPLAT bunch......there in the next isle over= !

Wink & Ginger Thornton,
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3D4114826&a=3D30951078&= amp;pw=3D From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Mar 28 15:51:39 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:51:39 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Stationary Engine Magazine References: <002701c65265$c4d907d0$1785a33a@ogborneuah38i3> <442953CD.000001.01856@SN049699720452> Message-ID: <000f01c652c2$92b5aa30$6b2f8795@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Nick.........ST's don't seem interested in their old stuff ,strange !Anyway I have a friend who has a pile of SE magazines that almost towers over his head, however he is not on the net so it is snail mail communication.I just thought that someone on SEL might have it at hand.BTW my find is a lighting plant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Holden" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stationary Engine Magazine > Hi Peter > Having just got back from work one of the jobs was to service > A machine at Stuart Turner Ltd "The pump people " > I asked about old pumps as I had a camera with me but no one seamed > Interested but on the bright side I just looked on stationary engine web > site > And they have article reprints at 2 for ?2.50 and they have the one you > want > > > Nick Holden > Banbury (UK) > nick at holden1.net > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > -------Original Message------- > > From: peter ogborne > Date: 03/28/06 14:10:17 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Stationary Engine Magazine > > Is there anyone who has edition 248 ? On page 16-17 there is an article on > a > Stuart Turner collection. I would be grateful to know the authors > name........thanks in advance. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From enginepaul at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 18:28:11 2006 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:28:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] replating fasteners? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060328205641.00ad63f8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <200603281700.k2SH04p7032060@heavyiron.atis.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20060328205641.00ad63f8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0603281828m45407049s94587e785bdf8811@mail.gmail.com> I've had parts re-plated with threaded holes using nickel - commercially done, not myself - and the threads were OK. Some of the smaller holes, under say about 1/4" were at time a little tight, but I never had to run a tap into them. The plating is very thin when done at a plating house. Paul, In San Francisco On 3/28/06, Jerry Evans wrote: > > > > > >Anyone here have experience "replating" old or discoloured fasteners such > as > >nuts, bolts, etc.? > > > >I think I heard something about a "kit" from Eastwood - what about doing > it > >with parts and/or supplies on-hand? > >One thought is to use a PC power supply, but what about > materials/chemicals > >involved? > >Thoughts? > >Bill > >Runnells, Iowa, USA > > ------=_Part_16988_5360056.1143599291010 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've had parts re-plated with threaded holes using nickel - commercially done, not myself - and the threads were OK. Some of the smaller holes, under say about 1/4" were at time a little tight, but I never had to run a tap into them. The plating is very thin when done at a plating house.
Paul,
In San Francisco

On 3/28/06, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:

>
>Anyone here have experience "replating" old or discoloured fasteners such as
>nuts, bolts, etc.?
>
>I think I heard something about a "kit" from Eastwood - what about doing it
>with parts and/or supplies on-hand?
>One thought is to use a PC power supply, but what about materials/chemicals
>involved?
>Thoughts?
>Bill
>Runnells, Iowa, USA

From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Wed Mar 29 03:54:01 2006 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 06:54:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard seperator engine Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20060329065347.00bef910@pop3.accnorwalk.com> I've been asked a question I can't answer. How does a Standard Cream seperator engine lube the crankcase? I've looked at my dissambled engine and unless they use a bolt in the endcover, I don't see any way of checking or adding oil to the crankcase. There are no grease fittings on the mains. I guess if I ever get mine going I'll need to know the answer to this too. Thanks. Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 29 06:25:05 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:25:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally / now Galloway saw rig References: Message-ID: Hi Luke..glad it's workin' for ya. Sure looks like you having a good time...must draw in the neighbors. Unbelted, I can spin the sawblade with my little finger, course that doesn't tell me anything when it's belted up and arbor and engine are side loaded (axially). The belt tensioner is close to being bottomed out now, due to the wreck (Helluva way to prestretch a belt, huh?), so this might be causing some of the drag. Will shorten it. Other plans are to tweak the timing as Curt has suggested in other posts. Also play with the compression release as Dave has done on the 16. If I can get it to hit twice, I think I'll be in good shape. Thanks much..she is a good runner. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Canberra Rally / now Galloway saw rig > Rick, > > I just used our 7hp Economy buzz rig for a few hours this weekend. I've > never had a hard time starting it with the belt on and the belt tensioner > on > also. Are your shaft bearings too tight on the saw portion? Sounds like > you > have excess friction somewhere if the engine doesn't start right up and > get > up to speed. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > ============================ > > >From: "Richard Strobel" > > > >I know I've had the belt completely loose and it still taxes > >the starting of the engine pretty good. > > > >later, > >RickinMt. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From galoway4 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 29 11:33:00 2006 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:33:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm Message-ID: <004001c65367$b0acf660$22a59b18@jake> I was operated on for a abdominal aeurysm on 1/25/06.The size of the aneurysm was 5.1x6.7 cm. The Aortic was slit open and a 3/4" plastic tube was inserted and the Aortic trimed and sewed back to gether,also the artories for both legs were replaced. At 76 it has taken a while to recover,but should be bach in my shop soon, The reason for this comment is to let let you know this condition is commond and people die from it every day because they do not know. There is no pain until it ruptures and then it is too late. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Mar 29 11:52:11 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:52:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm In-Reply-To: <004001c65367$b0acf660$22a59b18@jake> References: <004001c65367$b0acf660$22a59b18@jake> Message-ID: <442AE56B.6060704@imc-group.com> Arthur, Darned glad you are on the mend! So tell us, how did they happen to find this, since you mention there is no pain? Were they doing an MRI and happened to see it? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Arthur Buchanan wrote: > I was operated on for a abdominal aeurysm on 1/25/06.The size of the aneurysm was 5.1x6.7 cm. The Aortic was slit open and a 3/4" plastic tube was inserted and the Aortic trimed and sewed back to gether,also the artories for both legs were replaced. At 76 it has taken a while to recover,but should be bach in my shop soon, > The reason for this comment is to let let you know this condition is commond and people die from it every day because they do not know. There is no pain until it ruptures and then it is too late. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Mar 29 13:28:40 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:28:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A little fun in the machineshop. Message-ID: <442AFC08.9080306@imc-group.com> Monday I took a day of vacation and spent it in a local machineshop boring a couple of cylinders. On this link at the bottom of the page see "3/29/06 Update" for the horizontal boring mill work. This covers the Alamo cylinder. And I also bored a worn Jaeger cylinder. Here is the link to that: Thought you might enjoy seeing..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 29 14:24:35 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:24:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm In-Reply-To: <004001c65367$b0acf660$22a59b18@jake> References: <004001c65367$b0acf660$22a59b18@jake> Message-ID: <20e725c897b93bb2be568a932ae3d60e@chartertn.net> Glad to hear you got the rusty plumbing fixed before it blew out, Arthur! John On Mar 29, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Arthur Buchanan wrote: > I was operated on for a abdominal aeurysm on 1/25/06.The size > of the aneurysm was 5.1x6.7 cm. The Aortic was slit open and a 3/4" > plastic tube was inserted and the Aortic trimed and sewed back to > gether,also the artories for both legs were replaced. At 76 it has > taken a while to recover,but should be bach in my shop soon, > The reason for this comment is to let let you know this condition > is commond and people die from it every day because they do not know. > There is no pain until it ruptures and then it is too late. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From falcon at telenet.net Wed Mar 29 15:25:08 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:25:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm References: <004001c65367$b0acf660$22a59b18@jake> Message-ID: <007701c65388$054c9340$ba1117d1@net.telenet.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Buchanan" To: Cc: <7x10minilathe at yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm I was operated on for a abdominal aeurysm on 1/25/06.The size of the aneurysm was 5.1x6.7 cm. The Aortic was slit open and a 3/4" plastic tube was inserted and the Aortic trimed and sewed back to gether,also the artories for both legs were replaced. At 76 it has taken a while to recover,but should be bach in my shop soon, The reason for this comment is to let let you know this condition is commond and people die from it every day because they do not know. There is no pain until it ruptures and then it is too late. Art, You are very right the Triple A is a VERY serious item. Glad you made it through in one piece. Did they find it prior to rupture? If not and they managed to operate in time you are VERY VERY lucky and might want to buy a few lottery tickets:-) Jokes aside it is a very common problem in persons of advanced age and is identifiable. For folks who don't know what Art is talking about. Your descending Aorta is the blood vessel that supplies blood through the lower portion of your body, Roughly from the bottom of your lungs to your toes. It carries a LOT of blood. If you have a AAA that ruptures it can take as little as 8 minutes to bleed to death. That blood will be contained in the abdomen and just fills all the spaces around your organs. The only external signs are usually an initial rapid pulse, severe sweating and a semi rigid abdomen, This is usually followed by the person losing blood pressure rapidly, loss of a pulse and unconsciousness, at that point unless your in the OR and they are ready to go it is usually to late. The two other vessels they replaced would have been the femoral arteries. These are the ones on the inside area of both legs and they carry blood from the descending aorta to the vessels in the legs. Steve Williams. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Mar 29 15:31:20 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:31:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tulare References: <2e9.433c31c.31580fd9@aol.com> <005a01c651dd$53197f40$6501a8c0@Shop> <4428EBFD.3020803@mlode.com> Message-ID: <02fc01c65388$e2c7a430$da436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Steve, The 25 HP sounds interesting. I bet I can find you by following the tire ruts. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare I hope to make it this year. Will probably take the 25 horse Fairbanks Y and the little Fairbanks headless. -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dave Ernst wrote: >> Thanks Gus. I am planning to go to Tulare next month and I hope to >> see him >> at that time. >> >> Francis Maciel >> Santa Maria, CA > > > By the way who all is going to Tulare next month? > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Mar 29 15:47:27 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:47:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] replating fasteners? References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> Try these folks. www.caswellplating John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:59 PM Subject: [SEL] replating fasteners? > > Anyone here have experience "replating" old or discoloured fasteners such > as > nuts, bolts, etc.? > > I think I heard something about a "kit" from Eastwood - what about doing > it > with parts and/or supplies on-hand? > One thought is to use a PC power supply, but what about > materials/chemicals > involved? > > Thoughts? > > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From galoway4 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 29 16:07:18 2006 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:07:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm References: <004001c65367$b0acf660$22a59b18@jake> <442AE56B.6060704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006b01c6538d$ea2f2450$3ba69b18@jake> Curt: showed up on CTscan John Culp could tell us more. I was at St.Lukes hospital in Houston on the 7th floor. This floor is for Aneurysm patients. I talked to several patients and all of them had any symptoms. They do gut you though. Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm > Arthur, > Darned glad you are on the mend! So tell us, how did they happen to find > this, since you mention there is no pain? Were they doing an MRI and > happened to see it? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Arthur Buchanan wrote: > >> I was operated on for a abdominal aeurysm on 1/25/06.The size of >> the aneurysm was 5.1x6.7 cm. The Aortic was slit open and a 3/4" >> plastic tube was inserted and the Aortic trimed and sewed back to >> gether,also the artories for both legs were replaced. At 76 it has taken >> a while to recover,but should be bach in my shop soon, >> The reason for this comment is to let let you know this condition is >> commond and people die from it every day because they do not know. There >> is no pain until it ruptures and then it is too late. >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From galoway4 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 29 16:12:24 2006 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:12:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm References: <004001c65367$b0acf660$22a59b18@jake> <007701c65388$054c9340$ba1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <007401c6538e$a06f54b0$3ba69b18@jake> Hello Steve: It was found prior to rupture. I had no prior warning. Iwill say that they do gut you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Buchanan" > To: > Cc: <7x10minilathe at yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:33 PM > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm > > > I was operated on for a abdominal aeurysm on 1/25/06.The size of > the aneurysm was 5.1x6.7 cm. The Aortic was slit open and a 3/4" > plastic tube was inserted and the Aortic trimed and sewed back to > gether,also the artories for both legs were replaced. At 76 it has taken > a while to recover,but should be bach in my shop soon, > The reason for this comment is to let let you know this condition is > commond and people die from it every day because they do not know. There > is no pain until it ruptures and then it is too late. > > > Art, > You are very right the Triple A is a VERY serious item. Glad you made > it through in one piece. Did they find it prior to rupture? If not and > they managed to operate in time you are VERY VERY lucky and might want > to buy a few lottery tickets:-) > > Jokes aside it is a very common problem in persons of advanced age and > is identifiable. > > For folks who don't know what Art is talking about. Your descending > Aorta is the blood vessel that supplies blood through the lower portion > of your body, Roughly from the bottom of your lungs to your toes. It > carries a LOT of blood. If you have a AAA that ruptures it can take as > little as 8 minutes to bleed to death. That blood will be contained in > the abdomen and just fills all the spaces around your organs. The only > external signs are usually an initial rapid pulse, severe sweating and a > semi rigid abdomen, This is usually followed by the person losing blood > pressure rapidly, loss of a pulse and unconsciousness, at that point > unless your in the OR and they are ready to go it is usually to late. > The two other vessels they replaced would have been the femoral > arteries. These are the ones on the inside area of both legs and they > carry blood from the descending aorta to the vessels in the legs. > > Steve Williams. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From galoway4 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 29 16:15:02 2006 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:15:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm References: <004001c65367$b0acf660$22a59b18@jake> <007701c65388$054c9340$ba1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <007701c6538e$feef87d0$3ba69b18@jake> Hello Steve: Thanks for your discription. Thought It may help someone to know. I am amazed at the no. of people who die from this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Buchanan" > To: > Cc: <7x10minilathe at yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:33 PM > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm > > > I was operated on for a abdominal aeurysm on 1/25/06.The size of > the aneurysm was 5.1x6.7 cm. The Aortic was slit open and a 3/4" > plastic tube was inserted and the Aortic trimed and sewed back to > gether,also the artories for both legs were replaced. At 76 it has taken > a while to recover,but should be bach in my shop soon, > The reason for this comment is to let let you know this condition is > commond and people die from it every day because they do not know. There > is no pain until it ruptures and then it is too late. > > > Art, > You are very right the Triple A is a VERY serious item. Glad you made > it through in one piece. Did they find it prior to rupture? If not and > they managed to operate in time you are VERY VERY lucky and might want > to buy a few lottery tickets:-) > > Jokes aside it is a very common problem in persons of advanced age and > is identifiable. > > For folks who don't know what Art is talking about. Your descending > Aorta is the blood vessel that supplies blood through the lower portion > of your body, Roughly from the bottom of your lungs to your toes. It > carries a LOT of blood. If you have a AAA that ruptures it can take as > little as 8 minutes to bleed to death. That blood will be contained in > the abdomen and just fills all the spaces around your organs. The only > external signs are usually an initial rapid pulse, severe sweating and a > semi rigid abdomen, This is usually followed by the person losing blood > pressure rapidly, loss of a pulse and unconsciousness, at that point > unless your in the OR and they are ready to go it is usually to late. > The two other vessels they replaced would have been the femoral > arteries. These are the ones on the inside area of both legs and they > carry blood from the descending aorta to the vessels in the legs. > > Steve Williams. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 29 16:53:09 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:53:09 EST Subject: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm Message-ID: <2d0.656a84a.315c85f5@aol.com> In a message dated 3/29/2006 7:44:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, galoway4 at earthlink.net writes: << I am amazed at the no. of people who die from this. >> Art, Glad that you are doing fine after that operation. It is pretty serious when they take our all of your insides our to get back to the aorta. A great engine buddy, Bob Lunsford from North Carolina died a few years back from that very operation. Apparently it was too much of a shock on his system removing all his insides and stuffing them back in. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 29 16:55:03 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:55:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm In-Reply-To: <006b01c6538d$ea2f2450$3ba69b18@jake> References: <004001c65367$b0acf660$22a59b18@jake> <442AE56B.6060704@imc-group.com> <006b01c6538d$ea2f2450$3ba69b18@jake> Message-ID: <6b3b3d6fe011ca77f82bc6e5f1b9511e@chartertn.net> In skinny people you may be able to feel one by pressing down on the tummy. A big, firm, pulsating mass in the middle. They're often found incidentally on CT scans or ultrasounds done for some other reason. It's getting common for health fair-type events to offer ultrasound scanning for aneurysms, screening for blockages in the carotid arteries, and also blood flow measurements in the leg arteries. Something I've been doing a fair amount of lately is sending patients with difficult-to-control hypertension for CT angiograms of their renal arteries. I've turned up several that got a lot better after their renal arteries were dilated and stented open. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From driggars at earthlink.net Wed Mar 29 17:39:30 2006 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:39:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] replating fasteners? In-Reply-To: <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> You can join this group if you wish, I will approve you right away http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/electroplating Clint John Hall wrote: > Try these folks. > > www.caswellplating > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:59 PM > Subject: [SEL] replating fasteners? > > >> >> Anyone here have experience "replating" old or discoloured fasteners >> such as >> nuts, bolts, etc.? >> >> I think I heard something about a "kit" from Eastwood - what about >> doing it >> with parts and/or supplies on-hand? >> One thought is to use a PC power supply, but what about >> materials/chemicals >> involved? >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> Bill >> Runnells, Iowa, USA >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 29 18:20:13 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:20:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm In-Reply-To: <004001c65367$b0acf660$22a59b18@jake> Message-ID: <007401c653a0$7bf22f60$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Hi Art, Glad to hear you got patched up and are now ready for action again. It's a good thing you waited until the 21st century to get your procedure done. A few years ago I did service for a cardiac research facility. One day I was snooping around and a team of docs had a dog all sliced open with tubes going all over the place. Later I asked the chief of the facility what they were up to. He said they were working on a method of repairing aortas (aortae?), because a lot of people died from aneurisms, but there wasn't much they could do to help. He said that some day they would be able to repair aortas and save people. I'm still amazed. Good on ya. Rob From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Mar 29 19:02:32 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:02:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: A little fun in the machineshop. In-Reply-To: <442AFC08.9080306@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200603300302.k2U32gjU086829@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:29 PM To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org) Subject: A little fun in the machineshop. Monday I took a day of vacation and spent it in a local machineshop boring a couple of cylinders. On this link at the bottom of the page see "3/29/06 Update" for the horizontal boring mill work. This covers the Alamo cylinder. And I also bored a worn Jaeger cylinder. Here is the link to that: Thought you might enjoy seeing..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC ~~~~~~~~~~~~ I certainly did enjoy seeing what you did. Good job! Thank you for posting the pics, Curt. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Mar 29 20:12:32 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:12:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A little fun in the machineshop. In-Reply-To: <442AFC08.9080306@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003f01c653b0$2b441730$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Curt Thanks for posting the pictures; it's always interesting to follow along with other peoples projects. It sure would be nice to have a boring mill like that at your disposal. How much did you have to remove from the cylinder to clean it up? Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:29 PM > To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org) > Subject: [SEL] A little fun in the machineshop. > > Monday I took a day of vacation and spent it in a local machineshop > boring a couple of cylinders. > On this link at the bottom of the page see "3/29/06 Update" for the > horizontal boring mill work. This covers the Alamo cylinder. > > > And I also bored a worn Jaeger cylinder. Here is the link to that: > Thumbnails.html> > > Thought you might enjoy seeing..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ From oldengin at verizon.net Thu Mar 30 13:31:43 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:31:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spring or sprang References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Does anybody really know what time it is, does anybody care? Does Indiana change clocks this weekend with the rest of us, or are they still deciding what to do? Just curious From glenn.karch at gte.net Thu Mar 30 13:45:41 2006 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:45:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] spring or sprang References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: <000901c65443$4cd976e0$25f1123f@oemcomputer> Leroy, About 10 counties in SW Indiana and a few in the NW will go on Central Daylight time. The rest of the state I think will go on Eastern Daylight Time. That way we will keep everyone confused. Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: [SEL] spring or sprang > Does anybody really know what time it is, does anybody care? Does Indiana > change clocks this weekend with the rest of us, or are they still deciding > what to do? Just curious > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Mar 30 14:03:15 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:03:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spring or sprang In-Reply-To: <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: <442C55A3.4050901@scrtc.com> Leroy, Indiana changes and now follows daylight savings time. The only portions of Indiana that will be on Central time will be around Chicago and Evansville. Go to www.time.gov and they will give you the correct time (to the second). Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > Does anybody really know what time it is, does anybody care? Does > Indiana change clocks this weekend with the rest of us, or are they > still deciding what to do? Just curious > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 30 14:17:37 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:17:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spring or sprang In-Reply-To: <442C55A3.4050901@scrtc.com> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442C55A3.4050901@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060330171333.04c62a58@mail.alltel.net> At 05:03 PM 3/30/2006, you wrote: >Leroy, > Indiana changes and now follows daylight savings time. The only > portions of Indiana that will be on Central time will be around Chicago > and Evansville. Go to www.time.gov and they will give you the > correct time (to the second). >Tommy Turner Hi Tommy, I tried that site in order to get the EXACTLY right time, but it's not much help. Every time that I get ready to set my clock they change the time! Dave PS, I think I'll just stop winding my clock--then (after it stops) it will be EXACTLY correct 2 times a day! From don.h at wcoil.com Thu Mar 30 15:24:11 2006 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don.H) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:24:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spring or sprang References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org><008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61><442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net><005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5><442C55A3.4050901@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060330171333.04c62a58@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001101c65451$0d549910$6400a8c0@number1> It,s a lot easery to just have two watches..I bought one from Dave and it hasnt moved yet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] spring or sprang > At 05:03 PM 3/30/2006, you wrote: >>Leroy, >> Indiana changes and now follows daylight savings time. The only >> portions of Indiana that will be on Central time will be around Chicago >> and Evansville. Go to www.time.gov and they will give you the >> correct time (to the second). >>Tommy Turner > > Hi Tommy, > I tried that site in order to get the EXACTLY right time, but it's > not much help. Every time that I get ready to set my clock they change > the time! > Dave > PS, I think I'll just stop winding my clock--then (after it stops) it will > be EXACTLY correct 2 times a day! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From SmithEngines at aol.com Thu Mar 30 17:29:54 2006 From: SmithEngines at aol.com (SmithEngines at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:29:54 EST Subject: [SEL] spring or sprang Message-ID: <249.98e2fe1.315de012@aol.com> Spring has sprung here it 'tis I wonder where the flowers is Big Mike down to one engine bad health half blind but still alive in Ohio! -------------------------------1143768594 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Spring has sprung

here it 'tis

I wonder where

the flowers is

Big Mike down to one engine&n= bsp; bad health half blind but still alive in=20= Ohio!

From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu Mar 30 18:15:04 2006 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:15:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spring or sprang In-Reply-To: <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: According to the local paper today, Indiana goes to daylite savings time this year. Some counties are switching between eastern and Central time zones. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Leroy Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] spring or sprang Does anybody really know what time it is, does anybody care? Does Indiana change clocks this weekend with the rest of us, or are they still deciding what to do? Just curious _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Mar 30 18:30:25 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:30:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery pulley Message-ID: <20060330.183026.920.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. This pulley came with my 7 hp Economy, anyone recognize what it might fit? http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30882182&p=73980035 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30882182&p=73980036 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30882182&p=73980037 &f=0 Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Mar 30 19:43:11 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:43:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] spring or sprang In-Reply-To: <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> Hey Leroy, We will be changing as well. Drives me nuts. Duncan Leroy wrote: > Does anybody really know what time it is, does anybody care? Does > Indiana change clocks this weekend with the rest of us, or are they > still deciding what to do? Just curious > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Thu Mar 30 20:16:20 2006 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:16:20 EST Subject: [SEL] Mystery pulley Message-ID: <21a.a4c2693.315e0714@aol.com> In a message dated 3/30/2006 6:41:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: > Hi all. > This pulley came with my 7 hp Economy, anyone recognize what it might > fit? > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30882182&p=73980035 > &f=0 > Hi Ron, That looks perzacly like the one on my GoDevil. It's powered by a 7 hp Fairbanks CZ 118. I'll have it at Tulare if you would like a closer look. Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= --part1_21a.a4c2693.315e0714_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 3/30/2006 6:41:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, rdhaskell at juno.com w= rites:

Hi all.
This pulley came with my 7 hp Economy, anyone recognize what it might
fit?

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3D3009370&a=3D30882182&p= =3D73980035
&f=3D0

Hi Ron,
That looks perzacly like the one on my GoDevil. It's powered by a 7 hp Fairb= anks CZ 118. I'll have it at Tulare if you would like a closer look.
Wink & Ginger Thornton,
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3D4114826&a=3D30951078&= amp;pw=3D From segray at mlode.com Thu Mar 30 21:47:06 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:47:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <02fc01c65388$e2c7a430$da436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <2e9.433c31c.31580fd9@aol.com> <005a01c651dd$53197f40$6501a8c0@Shop> <4428EBFD.3020803@mlode.com> <02fc01c65388$e2c7a430$da436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <442CC25A.90803@mlode.com> Hi Jim - Yeah, probably so! :-) Actually, the ol' girl's been a regular at Tulare for the past several years under another owner's supervision. About all I've done this winter is go through the fuel system and rebuild the governor back to factory operation. Trouble is, the stock governor spring is too heavy/strong to allow the engine to run slow for the shows. I'll need to come up with a trick way to use a lighter spring and hide it inside the original spring. The engine and trailer weigh a good 4 ton. -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jim and Diane wrote: >Hi Steve, > >The 25 HP sounds interesting. I bet I can find you by following the tire >ruts. > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >Hemet, CA , U.S.A. >jd.kirkes at verizon.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Gray" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:55 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare > > >I hope to make it this year. Will probably take the 25 horse Fairbanks Y >and the little Fairbanks headless. > > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Mar 31 04:21:24 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:21:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] The Aussie Engine/new Water Hopper arrives. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060331141338.00a8ef70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys (and Gals) Good news today - my friend, Douggie Kriel, finished the new hopper and brought it over. I'm very happy with the result - he went to a lot of trouble - even built a small bending brake especially to do the rounded corners. It' good to have GOOD friends. It is fabricated from 3mm stainless steel and the brief was to make it look as close to the original cast hopper as possible - I think he succeeded! The pics are here: Go to the last paragraph on the page. Those who looked at the page recently may need to click the "Refresh" button on your browser. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 31 10:23:46 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:23:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery pulley In-Reply-To: <20060330.183026.920.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <013701c654f0$413a93c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > This pulley came with my 7 hp Economy, > anyone recognize what it might fit? Hi Ron, Your pulley and clamps look identical to the ones that are on the Fairbanks Morse that is parked out by our shed (minus the dents and rust holes). From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Mar 31 12:26:37 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:26:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery pulley In-Reply-To: <013701c654f0$413a93c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <20060330.183026.920.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <013701c654f0$413a93c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060331152527.04e0bf40@mail.alltel.net> At 01:23 PM 3/31/2006, you wrote: > > This pulley came with my 7 hp Economy, > > anyone recognize what it might fit? > >Hi Ron, >Your pulley and clamps look identical to the ones that are >on the Fairbanks Morse that is parked out by our shed (minus >the dents and rust holes). Hi Rob, Better look again. I think the Illegal Mexicans stole that pulley a week ago! Dave From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Mar 31 15:10:06 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:10:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Aussie Engine/new Water Hopper arrives. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060331141338.00a8ef70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <003001c65518$407c1e90$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Looks great Jerry. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: [SEL] The Aussie Engine/new Water Hopper arrives. > Hi Guys (and Gals) > Good news today - my friend, Douggie Kriel, finished the new > hopper and brought it over. I'm very happy with the result - he went to a > lot of trouble - even built a small bending brake especially to do the > rounded corners. It' good to have GOOD friends. > It is fabricated from 3mm stainless steel and the brief was to > make it look as close to the original cast hopper as possible - I think he > succeeded! > The pics are here: > > Go to the last paragraph on the page. Those who looked at the page > recently may need to click the "Refresh" button on your browser. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Mar 31 21:48:21 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:48:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT.......recording Vinyl to cd Message-ID: <001001c6554f$e5ca3710$c5c931cb@ogborneuah38i3> Not easy for a limited computer person ........I have been software called Clean Plus 4.0 by Steinberg . If I am successful I feel that I will be almost a sound engineer. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Mar 1 03:56:57 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:56:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 4hp Novo Mixer? In-Reply-To: <000501c63cc8$809d8350$546bcc45@stojanov> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, Good to see you on here again. If you don't have any luck with the hand hold cover for your Novo, you could always send the one you have to Rick Rowlands and have him cast you another. I sent him a funky shaped part to cast and it came out fantastic! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================= >From: "Stojanov" > >Hi all, > >It's been a while since I posted. Also, >I am missing one of the lower handhole covers with "Novo" cast into it. >Any >help is appreciated. Thanks! > >Sincerely, >Tommy Stojanov From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Mar 1 04:01:27 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:01:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator In-Reply-To: <004701c63c94$20fdad00$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: No help, but here is a different Magnet engine.... http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/lyons02/lyonsmuir02.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============ >From: "Dave Croft" > > >Larry sent me the picture & its at >http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/2426004900028520097kLaBdM >This is a Horizontal & the origional was a vertical. >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Mar 1 04:08:08 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:08:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Walk Behind Garden Tractor/Doug Tallman In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20060228205341.00bf1d00@pop3.accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: Thanks Doug. I would have never thought of 'Busy Bee'. I just hope it is still there when I go back. Stuff doesn't lay around too long before they bust it up and ship it out. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============= >From: Doug Tallman > > >Luke, it is probably a "Busy Bee" engine made by Gladden Products. They >made them in a vertical cyl and horizontal cyl models. They were a short >lived engine manufactured shortly after WWII. They do show up on tractors >every now and then. Seems llike I've heard of some of the later Red-Es >using the B-B engine. Page may have used them as well since they were >related. They are located in Wisconsin. Roth industies used them on >tractors also and they were made in Alma MI. I have both models of the B-B >but I need a gas tank for my horizontal cyl model if anyone has a spare. I >know what you mean about the treasure hunts. I've had to resist the urge to >go scrap yard shopping. I'm out of room! > > > > Doug Tallman > dtallman at accnorwalk.com > VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director > Greenwich, OH USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 1 05:15:34 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 06:15:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator References: Message-ID: Thanks Guys..will forward this and previous posts to Gina. I believe I mentioned Petrie was her great grandfather. Hopefully will put her a little closer to her goal. Regards, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator > No help, but here is a different Magnet engine.... > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/lyons02/lyonsmuir02.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > ============ > > >From: "Dave Croft" > > > > > >Larry sent me the picture & its at > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/2426004900028520097kLaBdM > >This is a Horizontal & the origional was a vertical. > >Dave Croft > >Warrington > >England > >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Wed Mar 1 12:32:12 2006 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:32:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: 4hp Novo Mixer? Message-ID: <006e01c63d6f$39146560$546bcc45@stojanov> Hi all, I was actually considering casting up another cover- a friend of mine who lives down the road has a bunch of petrobond and a crucible. I think it might be easier to contact Rick Rowlands though. Does anyone happen to have his email address? Thanks for the info! Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stojanov" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: 4hp Novo Mixer? > Hi all, > > It's been a while since I posted. Right now I'm just getting finished up > with this trimester of school (RIT goes by trimesters.) Anyways, a couple > years back I managed to buy a 4hp Novo type S. I went to go pick up some > apples at a roadside fruit stand, and mentioned to the owner that I was > interested in antique engines. That comment resulted in me buying this > engine. Unfortunately the engine is missing the mixer. I looked through a > couple barns while there and about all I could find was an older tractor > carburetor with some bailing wire holding the throttle open. Would anyone > happen to have a mixer off a 4hp Novo laying around that they might sell? > Not sure what other mixers will work as this one is an overflow type. Also, > I am missing one of the lower handhole covers with "Novo" cast into it. Any > help is appreciated. Thanks! > > Sincerely, > Tommy Stojanov > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Mar 1 12:45:41 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:45:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: 4hp Novo Mixer? In-Reply-To: <006e01c63d6f$39146560$546bcc45@stojanov> References: <006e01c63d6f$39146560$546bcc45@stojanov> Message-ID: <440607F5.7070905@imc-group.com> Tommy, Here is the info you need. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Stojanov wrote: >Hi all, >I was actually considering casting up another cover- a friend of mine who > lives down the road has a bunch of petrobond and a crucible. I think it >might be easier to >contact Rick Rowlands though. Does anyone happen to have his email address? >Thanks for the info! > > > From ggabrielg at bellsouth.net Wed Mar 1 19:43:32 2006 From: ggabrielg at bellsouth.net (Gerald Gabriel) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:43:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 2HP "Z" 'dishpan f/w' References: <20e.12df9e94.3134ecd0@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c63dab$9fb52a70$6001a8c0@YOUR2438974142> Thanks again Frances; Thanks to YOU guys, the engine now runs. Another question...What is the screw on the back of the piston (about the size of a dime)? Is this for grease (wrist pin)? what is is for? I have not turned it yet, so I don't know what it is.... Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 2HP "Z" 'dishpan f/w' > > In a message dated 2/27/2006 3:10:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ggabrielg at bellsouth.net writes: > > http://www.echothetruth.com/echothetruth/fm.htm > > > > Gerald, > The device on top is the piston oiler. It is turn on when running the > engine and is adjust for about 4 drops per minute. Flipping the lever to > the side > allows oil to drip. Twisting the knurl area (below the lever)clockwise > decreases the amount of flow. > Photo #1 - The fuel is siphoned from the fuel tank. There is a check > located at the bottom of the fuel line inside of the tank. This valve > usually > needs to be cleaned if engine has sat for a long time. Old fuel should > be > discarded and clean new gas used. > Photo #2 - This is a fixed jet mixer. The device located just below the > rocker arm is the choke and air control (should rotate). This air cntrol > is > adjusted to where the engine is running the smoothest. The bolt located > on the > mixer with a clamp holds the fuel line to the mixer. Removing this bolt > and > clamp, allows the fuel line to be removed from the tank to clean the > check > valve. > Throttle Control - This lever adjusts the spring tension on the governor. > The inwarded position is the slow speed; whereas, the outer position is > the > faster speed. This device locks out the exhaust valve actuation when the > desired rpm is reached. When the engine rpm decreases, the exhaust valve > is > allowed to operate and engine speed increases. Make sure that all > governor parts > are free and lubricated. if the governor is not working, the engine can > over > speed and cause damage. > Located below the insulating bar there is rectangular oiling hole. Oil > should applied each time the engine is run. This lubes the governor and > exhaust > latching mechanism. > If you need more information, just email > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > > -------------------------------1141084880 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > FONT-FAMILY:=20= > Arial"=20 > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> id=3Drol= > e_document=20 > face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3> >

In a message dated 2/27/2006 3:10:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20 > ggabrielg at bellsouth.net writes:

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The device on top is the piston oiler. It is turn on > when= > =20 > running the engine and is adjust for about 4 drops per minute. > Flippin= > g=20 > the lever to the side allows oil to drip. Twisting the knurl area > (bel= > ow=20 > the lever)clockwise decreases the amount of flow.

Photo #1 - The fuel is siphoned from the fuel tank. > There= > is=20 > a check located at the bottom of the fuel line inside of the tank. > Thi= > s=20 > valve usually needs to be cleaned if engine has sat for a long time. > O= > ld=20 > fuel should be discarded and clean new gas used.

Photo #2 - This is a fixed jet mixer. The device > located=20= > just=20 > below the rocker arm is the choke and air control (should rotate). > Thi= > s=20 > air cntrol is adjusted to where the engine is running the smoothest. > T= > he=20 > bolt located on the mixer with a clamp holds the fuel line to the > mixer.&nbs= > p;=20 > Removing this bolt and clamp, allows the fuel line to be removed from the > ta= > nk=20 > to clean the check valve.

Throttle Control - This lever adjusts the spring tension on > the= > =20 > governor. The inwarded position is the slow speed; whereas, the > outer=20 > position is the faster speed. This device locks out the exhaust > valve=20 > actuation when the desired rpm is reached. When the engine rpm > decreas= > es,=20 > the exhaust valve is allowed to operate and engine speed > increases.&nbs= > p;=20 > Make sure that all governor parts are free and lubricated. if the > gove= > rnor=20 > is not working, the engine can over speed and cause damage.

Located below the insulating bar there is rectangular > oiling=20 > hole. Oil should applied each time the engine is run. This > lubes= > the=20 > governor and exhaust latching mechanism.

If you need more information, just email=20 >

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L> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Mar 1 19:44:20 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:44:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show Message-ID: <002401c63dab$97c8f7b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi gang Last Friday, Saturday and Sunday the Royal Canberra Show was held and as is usual the Canberra Engine club is invited along. We had a great display this year but nobody took a camera. However, a professional photgrapher did the rounds and his photos have just been posted on the net. Have a look at http://www.picturesystems.com/eventpix2/findpicture.cfm?rollnumber=0&eventid=256&subeventid=1327&StartPage=1 about half way down the page. Hope it opens up. Of particular interest is the Bolinder at photos 1, 15, 20, 21and 22. And do you like the soap suds at pics 16, 17 and 18. Brock got a little carried away when he was washing. Ron From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Mar 1 22:32:08 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:32:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show References: <002401c63dab$97c8f7b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <000d01c63dc3$091dc1e0$7085dccb@oemcomputer> Very good Ron.Thanks for giving us the link. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:44 Subject: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show Hi gang Last Friday, Saturday and Sunday the Royal Canberra Show was held and as is usual the Canberra Engine club is invited along. We had a great display this year but nobody took a camera. However, a professional photgrapher did the rounds and his photos have just been posted on the net. Have a look at http://www.picturesystems.com/eventpix2/findpicture.cfm?rollnumber=0&eventid =256&subeventid=1327&StartPage=1 about half way down the page. Hope it opens up. Of particular interest is the Bolinder at photos 1, 15, 20, 21and 22. And do you like the soap suds at pics 16, 17 and 18. Brock got a little carried away when he was washing. Ron _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 2 02:07:38 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:07:38 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show References: <002401c63dab$97c8f7b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <000b01c63de1$26474a20$0b4c1152@no1> Hi Ron, I cannot get the page to open. It says Error Occurred While Processing Request Error Diagnostic Information MAXROWS The value specified which is now "-20" must be greater than "0" The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFOUTPUT), occupying document position (169:4) to (169:74). Date/Time: 03/02/06 21:23:14 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) Remote Address: 80.5.160.19 Query String: rollnumber=0&eventid=256&subeventid=1327&StartPage=1 Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:44 AM Subject: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show Hi gang Last Friday, Saturday and Sunday the Royal Canberra Show was held and as is usual the Canberra Engine club is invited along. We had a great display this year but nobody took a camera. However, a professional photgrapher did the rounds and his photos have just been posted on the net. Have a look at http://www.picturesystems.com/eventpix2/findpicture.cfm?rollnumber=0&eventid=256&subeventid=1327&StartPage=1 about half way down the page. Hope it opens up. Of particular interest is the Bolinder at photos 1, 15, 20, 21and 22. And do you like the soap suds at pics 16, 17 and 18. Brock got a little carried away when he was washing. Ron _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Mar 2 02:27:01 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:27:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show References: <002401c63dab$97c8f7b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <000b01c63de1$26474a20$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <00ab01c63de3$d907dec0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Dave Try http://www.hoofprintsonline.com/latestevents.htm then "ActewAGL Canberra Royal Show 2006 "events" then "2006 Canberra Royal" then "Trade Stands" on lefthand side. Hopefully should work. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show > Hi Ron, I cannot get the page to open. > It says > Error Occurred While Processing Request > Error Diagnostic Information > MAXROWS > > The value specified which is now "-20" must be greater than "0" > > The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFOUTPUT), occupying document position (169:4) to > (169:74). > > > Date/Time: 03/02/06 21:23:14 > Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) > Remote Address: 80.5.160.19 > Query String: rollnumber=0&eventid=256&subeventid=1327&StartPage=1 > > > > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Page" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:44 AM > Subject: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show > > > Hi gang > > Last Friday, Saturday and Sunday the Royal Canberra Show was held and as is usual the Canberra Engine club is invited along. We had > a great display this year but nobody took a camera. However, a professional photgrapher did the rounds and his photos have just > been posted on the net. Have a look at > > http://www.picturesystems.com/eventpix2/findpicture.cfm?rollnumber=0&eventid =256&subeventid=1327&StartPage=1 > > about half way down the page. Hope it opens up. > > Of particular interest is the Bolinder at photos 1, 15, 20, 21and 22. And do you like the soap suds at pics 16, 17 and 18. Brock > got a little carried away when he was washing. > > Ron > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 2 03:27:29 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:27:29 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show References: <002401c63dab$97c8f7b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><000b01c63de1$26474a20$0b4c1152@no1> <00ab01c63de3$d907dec0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <000401c63dec$4bd9d0e0$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show > Hi Dave > Try > http://www.hoofprintsonline.com/latestevents.htm > then "ActewAGL Canberra Royal Show 2006 "events" then "2006 Canberra Royal" > then "Trade Stands" on lefthand side. > Hopefully should work. > Ron Thanks Ron, nice engines. I did think at first glimpse of the small prints that picture 16 was a machine doing to a sheep what a New Zealander normally does but the full size print put me right. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Mar 2 07:44:50 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:44:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show In-Reply-To: <00ab01c63de3$d907dec0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <00d901c63e10$3f604370$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > http://www.hoofprintsonline.com/latestevents.htm > > > then "ActewAGL Canberra Royal Show 2006 "events" then "2006 > Canberra Royal" > then "Trade Stands" on lefthand side. > > Hopefully should work. Hi Ron, That worked out well. Nice pictures. Can you provide us with details on the large portable? Thanks, Rob From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Mar 2 17:37:29 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:37:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Why you should google your own name from time to time... Message-ID: <44079DD9.1000105@steamengine.com.au> Greetings fellow list members... here is a great reason to google your own name from time to time - today I found this http://www.completewhois.com/hijacked/hijackers.htm (open the page and search for my name) I've tried contacting these wankers to no avail... So I'm posting this message as far and as wide as I can to both clear my name and in a warning to others who may be attacked personally by these people. I apologise in advance for the OT content of this message - but it is likely to be of interest to those members running their own web or email servers with allocated addresses. www.completewhois.com right of reply - I appear to be slandered in a listing on a web site completewhois.com as a ipblock hijacker! The operators of this site have incorrectly interpreted publicly available internet addressing data and labelled me unfairly and incorrectly. They have at no time attempted to contact me before publishing their bullshit. As at 2nd March 2006 they do not answer my emails and phone calls disputing their label. I cannot afford to follow up the problem in USA courts and it is out of the jurisdiction of our local courts. The history is that my former company PPIT Pty Ltd ACN 059 051 320 registered in Australia that has been liquidated was allocated several class C network addresses. I once ran a small ISP (one of the first in Australia). The addresses were allocated by Melbourne University with the assistance of MHSNet (then a part of Sydney University) later MHS and even later became the ISP Netcon. The IPBLOCKS in question were never returned to APNIC as I am unable to sign legal documents on behalf of the company because it no longer exists. Any subsequent users of these blocks are the address hijackers. The twerp who runs the site has the facts backward. If he bothered to check the dates of the records in whois he would see that I had the addresses first. The IP blocks are no-longer in use (have not been since PPIT was closed) and could be returned to APNIC. The slanderers are hiding behind completewhois.com which is registered to Elan Networks, CompleteWhois Project (COMPLETEWHOIS-COM-DOM) P.O. Box 6453 Santa Clara, CA 95056 USA 1-206-600-4982 Elan Communications dba Elan Networks is registered to the same address. There is no human contact that I can find. If you wanted to contact these jokers they have only the addresses hostmaster at elan.net and webmaster at completewhois.com and comments at completewhois.com. You can see the slander at http://www.completewhois.com/hijacked/hijackers.htm The slanderous statement apart from calling me a hijacker which is bad enough is "Hijacking APNIC netblocks. Selling or leasing ip blocks. Using ip blocks to send unsolicited emails, often of adult content and hosting websites advertised by such emails. Close ties to some Russian porn and spammer groups." - Unbelievable - I wish these wankers were in Australia because I'd go them for it in court. Regards Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Mar 2 19:14:05 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:14:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Why you should google your own name from time to time... In-Reply-To: <44079DD9.1000105@steamengine.com.au> References: <44079DD9.1000105@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <4407B47D.3020707@scrtc.com> Paul, I can't believe anyone would believe that any list member has ties to Russians...... now the other matters, maybe?? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Close ties to some Russian porn and spammer groups." - Unbelievable - > I wish these wankers were in Australia because I'd go them for it in > court. > > Regards > Paul From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 3 01:01:28 2006 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:01:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 2HP "Z" 'dishpan f/w' Message-ID: Gerald. It looks like your engine has a re-engineered ignition system very similar to one I have. In a recent discussion I bookmarked the following page that has some good breakdown pictures of how the governor system should be. I plan to re-re-engineer mine someday too. Maybe they will be of some help in your project. http://www.boydhouse.com/hitandmiss/index.html Ed Herreid Trevor WI I know nothing about this engine, only what I can reason out. Pictures can be seen at this link: http://www.echothetruth.com/echothetruth/fm.htm Notice!! I ask some questions on each picture. If you can help... Thanks Regards; Gerald From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Mar 3 01:46:28 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:46:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show References: <00d901c63e10$3f604370$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <003901c63ea7$58717950$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Rob It is a Swedish Bolinder two stroke hot bulb engine built around 1900. Quite a rare beast in Oz. The owner thinks there is one other of this type and we know there is three vertical Bolinders as well. Brock, can add any other info about it. I don't know the HP rating. The owner sometime s can get it to rock like a cradle - just hitting on ignition both ways. Quite a drawcard when he gets in going just right. If Brock has no additional info I will talk to the owner and see what I can find out. Regards Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:44 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show > > > http://www.hoofprintsonline.com/latestevents.htm > > > > > > then "ActewAGL Canberra Royal Show 2006 "events" then > "2006 > > Canberra Royal" > > then "Trade Stands" on lefthand side. > > > > Hopefully should work. > > > Hi Ron, > That worked out well. Nice pictures. Can you provide us > with > details on the large portable? > > Thanks, > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Mar 3 06:26:56 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 06:26:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT: Why you should google your own name from time to time... In-Reply-To: <4407B47D.3020707@scrtc.com> References: <44079DD9.1000105@steamengine.com.au> <4407B47D.3020707@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <4431.165.206.180.19.1141396016.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Knowing Paul is a very upstanding fellow, I'd be livid if I were him. Slander is what that *appears* to border on from a layman's view. Bill Runnells, Iowa > Paul, > I can't believe anyone would believe that any list member has ties > to Russians...... now the other matters, maybe?? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >> Close ties to some Russian porn and spammer groups." - Unbelievable - >> I wish these wankers were in Australia because I'd go them for it in >> court. >> >> Regards >> Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Mar 3 07:30:01 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:30:01 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 2HP "Z" 'dishpan f/w' Message-ID: <267.6b88113.3139baf9@aol.com> In a message dated 3/3/2006 1:10:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, bigtime64 at hotmail.com writes: It looks like your engine has a re-engineered ignition system very similar to one I have. In a recent discussion I bookmarked the following page that has some good breakdown pictures of how the governor system should be. I plan to re-re-engineer mine someday too. Maybe they will be of some help in your project. http://www.boydhouse.com/hitandmiss/index.html Ed, I have been corresponding with Gearld on his Fairbanks Morse engine as I also have the same type engine with a magneto. I am glad to see that others have found Darryl's web site documenting his battery ignition engine. You mentioned that you would like to re-engineer your engine. Take a look at the Darryl's picture of the Fairbanks Morse crankshaft and cam gears. You will that these gear teeth are cut at an angle. Thus, the cam from this is not inchangeable with magneto model. The cam action of the battery model is different from the magneto type. There is a contact on the exhaust activation mechanism to trigger the battery ignition which is controlled by cam action. Have you participated in the SmokStak chat room on engines? If you have not, I suggest it is good idea to do so. < _http://www.smokstak.com/forum/chat/flashchat.php_ (http://www.smokstak.com/forum/chat/flashchat.php) > The engine people that are on this chat room really try to help one another. I have found it to be very valuable to get good data and avoid many costly mistakes. Not too many people are on during the day. You will find them mostly at night. If there is any information you need for your engine, I will try to help. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1141399801 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Have you participated in the SmokStak chat room on engines?&nbs= p;=20 If you have not, I suggest it is good idea to do so. < http://www.smoksta= k.com/forum/chat/flashchat.php >=20 The engine people that are on this chat room really try to help one=20 another. I have found it to be very valuable to get good data and avoi= d=20 many costly mistakes. Not too many people are on during the day. = You=20 will find them mostly at night.

If there is any information you need for your engine, I will tr= y to=20 help.=20

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From curt at imc-group.com Fri Mar 3 08:11:50 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:11:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Why you should google your own name from time to time... In-Reply-To: <44079DD9.1000105@steamengine.com.au> References: <44079DD9.1000105@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <44086AC6.1030807@imc-group.com> Hey Paul, My wife Missy just Googled herself and found out she was born here in Gaston Co, North Carolina in 1880. She doesn't look near her age! But seriously I'm sorry you are having all this trouble. For the rest of us that don't have a clue wot you are talking about, can you tell us wot IP blocks are? ??? Each website gets assigned a specific IP address? You can reserve IP address blocks? Lowlifes have discovered unused IP addresses and use them for their own websites (porn etc.)? Have I got it close to right? Most of us have no clue at this level of detail of the internet world. Curt Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Greetings fellow list members... here is a great reason to google your > own name from time to time - today I found this > http://www.completewhois.com/hijacked/hijackers.htm (open the page and > search for my name) > I've tried contacting these wankers to no avail... So I'm posting this > message as far and as wide as I can to both clear my name and in a > warning to others who may be attacked personally by these people. I > apologise in advance for the OT content of this message - but it is > likely to be of interest to those members running their own web or > email servers with allocated addresses. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 3 08:57:43 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:57:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Why you should google your own name from time to time... In-Reply-To: <44086AC6.1030807@imc-group.com> References: <44079DD9.1000105@steamengine.com.au> <44086AC6.1030807@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44087587.9040304@scrtc.com> Curt, I've heard about people that could do that...... Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > Hey Paul, > My wife Missy just Googled herself From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Mar 3 13:49:40 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 08:49:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Why you should google your own name from time totime... References: <44079DD9.1000105@steamengine.com.au><44086AC6.1030807@imc-group.com> <44087587.9040304@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <017301c63f0c$6b7b2db0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Now that really gave me my morning smile!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: OT: Why you should google your own name from time totime... > Curt, > I've heard about people that could do that...... > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > >> Hey Paul, >> My wife Missy just Googled herself > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Mar 3 16:49:57 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 08:49:57 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show References: <00d901c63e10$3f604370$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <003901c63ea7$58717950$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <000f01c63f25$950ec1f0$6481a33a@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show > Hi Rob > > It is a Swedish Bolinder two stroke hot bulb engine built around 1900. > Quite a rare beast in Oz. The owner thinks there is one other of this > type > and we know there is three vertical Bolinders as well. > > Brock, can add any other info about it. I don't know the HP rating. The > owner sometime s can get it to rock like a cradle - just hitting on > ignition > both ways. Quite a drawcard when he gets in going just right. > > If Brock has no additional info I will talk to the owner and see what I > can > find out. > > Regards > > Ron > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:44 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show > > >> >> > http://www.hoofprintsonline.com/latestevents.htm >> > >> > >> > then "ActewAGL Canberra Royal Show 2006 "events" then >> "2006 >> > Canberra Royal" >> > then "Trade Stands" on lefthand side. >> > >> > Hopefully should work. >> >> >> Hi Ron, >> That worked out well. Nice pictures. Can you provide us >> with >> details on the large portable? >> >> Thanks, >> Rob >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 3 17:09:00 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:09:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need to talk to a Fodder Chopper Owner Message-ID: <007b01c63f28$391ef650$230110ac@PAUL> I have an old corn fodder chopper that is missing the main drive pulley, I am looking for someone who has one so I can get the approximate size dimension of the pulley so I can try and find one. Thanks From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Mar 4 13:27:02 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:27:02 -0000 Subject: [SEL] 1952 Shell stationary engine film Message-ID: <000c01c63fd2$61c57390$0b4c1152@no1> I was just trying a out new program that lets you store up to 100 MB for 7 days. Its called "yousendit" I was looking for something big to test it with & found a 45 MB program from Shell with some good old shots. It is well worth seeing! If anyone would like to see this let me know & I will let you know the address. PS Don't try it if you are not on broadband unless you are VERY patient. The film size is 45 Mb & plays on Quicktime Player version 7.0.4 . Also on Ashampoo Photo Commander 4. If you want to download it just tell me. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Mar 4 20:29:53 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:29:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 75 hp Atlas Imperial Marine engine runs. Message-ID: <20060304.202953.832.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Today a friend and fellow club member Bob Helm started his Atlas Imperial Diesel marine engine after 24 months of complete mechanical restoration. Pictures at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32106484&f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 4 20:57:58 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 23:57:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 75 hp Atlas Imperial Marine engine runs. In-Reply-To: <20060304.202953.832.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060304.202953.832.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <8c5d9eca13477dcda06af1ef8eb14b09@chartertn.net> I like that! John On Mar 4, 2006, at 11:29 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. > Today a friend and fellow club member Bob Helm started his Atlas > Imperial > Diesel marine engine after 24 months of complete mechanical > restoration. > Pictures at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32106484&f=0 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun Mar 5 05:55:07 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 05:55:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 75 hp Atlas Imperial Marine engine runs. In-Reply-To: <20060304.202953.832.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060305055341.01b8ee90@mail.pennswoods.net> That is one brut of an engine. It would be best used to power a but buggy. R Fink PA At 08:29 PM 3/4/2006 -0800, you wrote: >Hi all. >Today a friend and fellow club member Bob Helm started his Atlas Imperial >Diesel marine engine after 24 months of complete mechanical restoration. >Pictures at: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32106484&f=0 > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 5 03:54:58 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 13:54:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Need to talk to a Fodder Chopper Owner In-Reply-To: <200603041700.k24H03vV012018@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200603051418609.SM01828@new.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 04/03/2006, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:09:00 -0600 >From: "paulmaples" >Subject: [SEL] Need to talk to a Fodder Chopper Owner >To: > >I have an old corn fodder chopper that is missing the main drive pulley, I >am looking for someone who has one so I can get the approximate size >dimension of the pulley so I can try and find one. Thanks Hi Paul, Is this the same as what we call a "chaff cutter" ? What make, model size etc ? A number of my friends have them so if you have more details I may be able to help. How about a pic. Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 5 06:50:30 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:50:30 EST Subject: [SEL] 75 hp Atlas Imperial Marine engine runs. Message-ID: <208.13b16139.313c54b6@aol.com> In a message dated 3/4/2006 11:40:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: << Today a friend and fellow club member Bob Helm started his Atlas Imperial Diesel marine engine after 24 months of complete mechanical restoration >> Ron, Nice engine to haul around to the shows. Is it air start? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Mar 5 08:14:51 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 08:14:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 75 hp Atlas Imperial Marine engine runs. Message-ID: <20060305.081451.620.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Good morning Tom. Yes it is air start. It has an air valve on each cylinder. The tank on the end was pumped up to about 150 psi and spun it over longer than I thought. Weight over 11,000 lbs. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:50:30 EST Germoamer at aol.com writes: > In a message dated 3/4/2006 11:40:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rdhaskell at juno.com writes: > > << Today a friend and fellow club member Bob Helm started his Atlas > Imperial > Diesel marine engine after 24 months of complete mechanical > restoration >> > > > Ron, > > Nice engine to haul around to the shows. Is it air start? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 5 08:45:22 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:45:22 EST Subject: [SEL] 75 hp Atlas Imperial Marine engine runs. Message-ID: <1ac.4923fa11.313c6fa2@aol.com> In a message dated 3/5/2006 11:40:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: << Weight over 11,000 lbs. >> Ron, That is nice towing weight! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Mar 5 09:01:33 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:01:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 75 hp Atlas Imperial Marine engine runs. Message-ID: <20060305.120556.276.2.jlb94@juno.com> Excellent Pics Ron. Thanks for sharing Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Mar 5 10:24:08 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:24:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Steel Message-ID: <20060305.102409.620.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Good day all. I received this Email from my BIL yesterday. I am looking for wisdom from the list, what would be a good answer? I am not sure what he is looking for, he is more of a paper and pencil guy. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 Hi Ron I have run across a supplier (ASAP Source Inc.) that lists different types of steel. Can you briefly tell me the difference? Or is there an online resource? 1018 1045 11L17 4130 4140 A-2 tool (I think I know this one) A36 0-1 tool Do they go from softest to hardest? Would a nut and bolt from home depot be 1018 (grade 2?). From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 5 11:04:11 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:04:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Steel In-Reply-To: <20060305.102409.620.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <005401c64087$97ed45f0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Hi Ron, Machinery's Handbook does a pretty good job of explaining metals to the beginner, such as myself. It also has a bunch of info for the pocket-protector-set. Here are a couple web pages in case your copy of MH is across the room. http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/news/may99/may99.html http://www.engineersedge.com/steel.htm Rob > Good day all. > I received this Email from my BIL yesterday. I am looking for wisdom > from the list, what would be a good answer? I am not sure what he is > looking for, he is more of a paper and pencil guy. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > Hi Ron > I have run across a supplier (ASAP Source Inc.) that lists different > types of steel. > Can you briefly tell me the difference? Or is there an > online resource? > 1018 > 1045 > 11L17 > 4130 > 4140 > A-2 tool (I think I know this one) > A36 > 0-1 tool > Do they go from softest to hardest? Would a nut and bolt > from home depot > be 1018 (grade 2?). From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 5 10:43:59 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 13:43:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fw: Steel In-Reply-To: <20060305.102409.620.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060305.102409.620.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, MatWeb is a good place to start for materials properties. http://www.matweb.com/ See ya, Arnie On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Good day all. > I received this Email from my BIL yesterday. I am looking for wisdom > from the list, what would be a good answer? I am not sure what he is > looking for, he is more of a paper and pencil guy. Thanks. > > I have run across a supplier (ASAP Source Inc.) that lists different > types of steel. > Can you briefly tell me the difference? Or is there an online resource? From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Mar 5 14:14:35 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:14:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] More pictures - 75 hp. Atlas Marine Diesel Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060305140449.02b6e458@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi, I had the pleasure of viewing the same engine running event that Ron Haskell posted some great pictures of yesterday. I just put up a page on my site that shows some closer detail of the engine. There are nine pictures all on one page but I cut the size down enough so that it shouldn't take too long to load on dial up connections. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/atlas/ Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Mar 5 15:55:20 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:55:20 +0800 Subject: [SEL] ignition indication. Message-ID: <003901c640b0$464d4a50$cf83a33a@ogborneuah38i3> I visited a friend the other day and he was timing an engine .........he used a novel method of doing this . A small portable radio was placed next to the running engine ,it was de- tuned off a station and the resulting audible clicks indicated the ignition point! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sun Mar 5 16:22:00 2006 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:22:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More pictures - 75 hp. Atlas Marine Diesel Message-ID: <000401c640b3$fd7ba3e0$64610b42@computer> Good job on the pictures. I enjoyed. George F. Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Larry Evans To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, March 05, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: [SEL] More pictures - 75 hp. Atlas Marine Diesel >Hi, >I had the pleasure of viewing the same engine running event that Ron >Haskell posted some great pictures of yesterday. > >I just put up a page on my site that shows some closer detail of the >engine. There are nine pictures all on one page but I cut the size down >enough so that it shouldn't take too long to load on dial up >connections. Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/atlas/ > >Regards, > >Larry Evans >Arcadia, Southern California, USA >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sun Mar 5 17:28:51 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 20:28:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More pictures - 75 hp. Atlas Marine Diesel References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060305140449.02b6e458@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005f01c640bd$53a05190$bd161941@pengy> What is the large gauge for? It goes up to 5000. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: [SEL] More pictures - 75 hp. Atlas Marine Diesel > Hi, > I had the pleasure of viewing the same engine running event that Ron > Haskell posted some great pictures of yesterday. > > I just put up a page on my site that shows some closer detail of the > engine. There are nine pictures all on one page but I cut the size down > enough so that it shouldn't take too long to load on dial up > connections. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/atlas/ > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Mar 5 18:41:28 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:41:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] More pictures - 75 hp. Atlas Marine Diesel Message-ID: <20060305.184129.1144.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rick. It indicates fuel pressure to the injectors. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 20:28:51 -0500 "Rick Rowlands" writes: > What is the large gauge for? It goes up to 5000. > > Rick From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Mar 5 18:53:23 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:53:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Steel Message-ID: <20060305.185324.1144.9.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks to all for the information on steel. It turns out my BIL just went in to a real steel supply to get some mild steel tube and angle and was overwhelmed by the counter person's question. I forwarded the responses to him. He was very impressed and says thanks too. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Mar 5 20:23:49 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 20:23:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] ignition indication. In-Reply-To: <003901c640b0$464d4a50$cf83a33a@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <200603060424.k264O5qP049333@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:55 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ignition indication. I visited a friend the other day and he was timing an engine .........he used a novel method of doing this . A small portable radio was placed next to the running engine ,it was de- tuned off a station and the resulting audible clicks indicated the ignition point! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au ~~~~~~~~~~~~ That's a clever idea. Thank you for telling us about it. That tip is going into our club's next newsletter. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Mar 5 23:51:10 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:51:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Wellington Pics Message-ID: <20060306075027.ZJVB10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I popped up to Wellington yesterday (9 hour return trip) for a look. Quite a good display and worth the drive. There were a few list members there so I am sure they all have their own tales to tell ;) Pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/w061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 5 23:52:06 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:52:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ignition indication. References: <200603060424.k264O5qP049333@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <003901c640f4$1930bc20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Years back, when I worked as a motorcycle mechanic, I used a simple telephone buzzer clipped across the points. As the points opened, the note changed. It sure made things easy. I like this new one. When a model is running on the bench, the radio is clicking away. I never thought to tie them together. Ya never stop learning!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] ignition indication. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:55 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] ignition indication. > > I visited a friend the other day and he was timing an engine .........he > used a novel method of doing this . A small portable radio was placed next > to the running engine ,it was de- tuned off a station and the resulting > audible clicks indicated the ignition point! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > That's a clever idea. Thank you for telling us about it. That tip is > going > into our club's next newsletter. > > Regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Mar 6 03:38:02 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 22:38:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Wellington Pics References: <20060306075027.ZJVB10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002f01c64112$6e51a8e0$9084dccb@oemcomputer> Great pics Patrick.Thanks for putting them up.I took my camera but never got to use it.To busy talking and looking after my 9 engines I took.Had a great time in good company. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 6:51 Subject: [SEL] Wellington Pics > I popped up to Wellington yesterday (9 hour return trip) for a look. Quite a > good display and worth the drive. There were a few list members there so I > am sure they all have their own tales to tell ;) > Pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/w061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Mar 6 03:53:31 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:53:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Wellington Pics Message-ID: <030620061153.12540.440C22BA000D3C0E000030FC219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Patrick, Great pics. Do you know who owns the Stover "V" and the serial number? thanks, Curt Andree > I popped up to Wellington yesterday (9 hour return trip) for a look. Quite a > good display and worth the drive. There were a few list members there so I > am sure they all have their own tales to tell ;) > Pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/w061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brock at netspeed.com.au Mon Mar 6 04:00:20 2006 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 23:00:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Wellington Pics References: <20060306075027.ZJVB10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003201c64115$8aae3870$5f11fea9@merlin> thanks Patrick for the pics ,, Edd got the club award , Michael should have got smokeyest engine award for that bloody sunshine. i did not nave to use an oil can all weekend due to the oil flying out covering my engine Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 6:51 PM Subject: [SEL] Wellington Pics >I popped up to Wellington yesterday (9 hour return trip) for a look. Quite >a > good display and worth the drive. There were a few list members there so I > am sure they all have their own tales to tell ;) > Pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/w061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 6 05:47:10 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:47:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ignition indication. In-Reply-To: <003901c640f4$1930bc20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <200603060424.k264O5qP049333@mail-gw.fsr.net> <003901c640f4$1930bc20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <5ad758df1c9e91af6798f81cf93c5575@chartertn.net> I still have a 6V indicator light I made to check the point opening on my old Panhead Harley. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Mar 6 06:29:22 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:29:22 EST Subject: [SEL] ignition indication. Message-ID: <210.140e9fc6.313da142@aol.com> Question - Is this a static (engine not running) or a dynamic (engine running) ignition test method? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1141655362 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 6 06:44:00 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:44:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ignition indication. References: <210.140e9fc6.313da142@aol.com> Message-ID: Either Francis...anytime there's a spark (RF Energy), a A.M. Radio will pick it up. Like driving by an electric fence back in the ole daze before F.M. later, RickinMt. PS: I believe this could also be done with a simple diode and the right earphone. Help Doc ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] ignition indication. > Question - Is this a static (engine not running) or a dynamic (engine > running) ignition test method? From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Mar 6 07:18:13 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:18:13 EST Subject: [SEL] ignition indication. Message-ID: In a message dated 3/6/2006 7:11:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Either Francis...anytime there's a spark (RF Energy), a A.M. Radio will pick it up. Rick, If the engine is running, how will this help time the engine? I understand how this could be used to time a static engine, but the ignition system must be powered. Francis -------------------------------1141658293 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 6 06:57:55 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:57:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Novo Mixer on eBay (#7597256575) Message-ID: Who was looking for a mixer for a 4 hp Novo; was that Tommy S.? There's one on eBay now. View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7597256575 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novo Carburetor Statioary Hit Miss Gas Engine Motor Item number: 7597256575 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: vaporcool(172) Positive Feedback: 99.4% Member since Feb-14-02 in United States Starting bid: US $9.99 (Reserve not met) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Time left: 6 days 22 hours 7-day listing Ends Mar-12-0619:11:04 PST Item location: Havelock Nebraska United States Ships to: Worldwide ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary Carburetor for a 3 or 4 HP Novo Vertical Gas Engine. It is in excelent condition and had the number S95 on it. No breaks Or any previous repairs. Contact me for any futher questions. ----------------------------------------------------------------- From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Mar 6 07:42:23 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:42:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Royal Canberra Show In-Reply-To: <003901c63ea7$58717950$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <009501c64134$914e9930$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > It is a Swedish Bolinder two stroke hot bulb engine built around 1900. > Quite a rare beast in Oz. The owner thinks there is one > other of this type and we know there is three vertical Bolinders as well. Thanks Ron, I don't think we have any of these in my neck of the woods either. The fuel tank gives the engine a distintive look. Rob From mullt at att.net Mon Mar 6 08:08:48 2006 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:08:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ignition indication. Message-ID: <030620061608.20505.440C5E900000CFFC0000501921603760219B04049A03@att.net> I remember the days when automobile engines still breaker ignitions and using a dwell tach to check spark timing. I assume (if we still have our old dwell-tachs) that those would work also. Tom in St. Louis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Richard Strobel" > Either Francis...anytime there's a spark (RF Energy), a A.M. Radio will pick > it up. Like driving by an electric fence back in the ole daze before F.M. > > > later, > RickinMt. > > PS: I believe this could also be done with a simple diode and the right > earphone. Help Doc ! > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 7:29 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ignition indication. > > > > Question - Is this a static (engine not running) or a dynamic (engine > > running) ignition test method? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 6 08:40:43 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:40:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ignition indication. Message-ID: <20060306.114052.1176.3.jlb94@juno.com> Has anyone ever thought of using a timing light ? I usually time the spark via the instructions in a manual. Or - By putting a chaulk mark at about 15? BTDC. Valve timing also has a great deal to do with how an engine runs. Once timed - I check the chaulk mark on the flywheel to see how steady it is and - if any further adjustments are needed. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 6 08:52:08 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:52:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ignition indication. References: Message-ID: I must have read it wrong Francis..this is not used to time the engine but mearly to listen to the spark as in troubleshooting. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] ignition indication. > > In a message dated 3/6/2006 7:11:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > Either Francis...anytime there's a spark (RF Energy), a A.M. Radio will > pick > it up. > > > Rick, > If the engine is running, how will this help time the engine? I > understand > how this could be used to time a static engine, but the ignition system > must > be powered. > > Francis > > > -------------------------------1141658293 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > FONT-FAMILY:=20= > Arial"=20 > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> id=3Drol= > e_document=20 > face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> >

In a message dated 3/6/2006 7:11:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20 > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

Rick,

If the engine is running, how will this help time the > engine?&n= > bsp;=20 > I understand how this could be used to time a static engine, but the > ignitio= > n=20 > system must be powered.=20 >

>
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> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Mar 6 11:00:00 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:00:00 EST Subject: [SEL] ignition indication. Message-ID: <9.53b3cec2.313de0b0@aol.com> In a message dated 3/6/2006 9:15:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: mearly to listen to the spark as in troubleshooting. Thanks Rick Francis -------------------------------1141671600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 3/6/2006 9:15:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20 Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

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From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Mon Mar 6 15:37:40 2006 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:37:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Novo Mixer on eBay (#7597256575) References: Message-ID: <002501c64176$f57e7690$546bcc45@stojanov> Hi Arnie, Thanks for the link! Cya. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Novo Mixer on eBay (#7597256575) > Who was looking for a mixer for a 4 hp Novo; was that Tommy S.? > There's one on eBay now. > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7597256575 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Novo Carburetor Statioary Hit Miss Gas Engine Motor > Item number: 7597256575 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Seller: vaporcool(172) > Positive Feedback: 99.4% > Member since Feb-14-02 in United States > Starting bid: US $9.99 > (Reserve not met) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Time left: 6 days 22 hours > 7-day listing > Ends Mar-12-0619:11:04 PST > > Item location: Havelock Nebraska > United States > Ships to: Worldwide > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Summary > Carburetor for a 3 or 4 HP Novo Vertical Gas Engine. It is in excelent condition and had the number S95 on it. No breaks Or any previous repairs. Contact me for any futher questions. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Mon Mar 6 19:11:00 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:11:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: <43E0F7BE.9060000@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000401c64194$c3aa21f0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Everyone I have been able to make a little more progress on my first venture into pattern making. I'm not quite as quick as Curt but I have been slowly making progress. I also have been working on two patterns for rocker arms that are for the same engine. I will try to get some rocker arm pictures up in a few days. Here are the new pictures. http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2625602120053545466CiAZxW http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2970552700053545466xlaeTt http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2894963720053545466SKvrEb http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2224775200053545466srJAZn http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2225423450053545466eoSQrd http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2512113440053545466vbjzGf http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2042633760053545466JyAEBh Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue Mar 7 03:47:45 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 06:47:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. References: <000401c64194$c3aa21f0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <008701c641dc$f3e130f0$bd161941@pengy> How do you intend to put in that little projection which is located 90 degrees from the pin bosses? Are you going to put a loose piece in the corebox? Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron and nonferrous castings 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 Fax 330-759-1524 www.todengine.org/engineworks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Otto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. > Hi Everyone > > I have been able to make a little more progress on my first venture into > pattern making. I'm not quite as quick as Curt but I have been slowly > making > progress. > > I also have been working on two patterns for rocker arms that are for the > same engine. I will try to get some rocker arm pictures up in a few days. > > Here are the new pictures. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2625602120053545466CiAZxW > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2970552700053545466xlaeTt > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2894963720053545466SKvrEb > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2224775200053545466srJAZn > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2225423450053545466eoSQrd > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2512113440053545466vbjzGf > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2042633760053545466JyAEBh > > > Dave > > > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > USA > dotto at velocitus.net > http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 7 04:43:01 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:43:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Falk piston pattern update In-Reply-To: <000301c64194$c37a5f60$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <000301c64194$c37a5f60$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <440D7FD5.6000004@imc-group.com> Dave, Great documentation of your work and you have this looking excellent! You _know_ you are inspiring other to give pattern making a try. A couple of weeks ago I wrapped up another piston pattern and corebox of a 3 HP Hercules/Jaeger/Economy. I'll try and download the pictures from the camera and get them posted soon. Now we just need to wait for Rick to get his foundry up and running. Nothing quite like a startup! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Dave Otto wrote: >Hi Everyone > >I have been able to make a little more progress on my first venture into >pattern making. I'm not quite as quick as Curt but I have been slowly making >progress. > >I also have been working on two patterns for rocker arms that are for the >same engine. I will try to get some rocker arm pictures up in a few days. > >Here are the new pictures. > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2625602120053545466CiAZxW > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2970552700053545466xlaeTt > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2894963720053545466SKvrEb > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2224775200053545466srJAZn > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2225423450053545466eoSQrd > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2512113440053545466vbjzGf > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2042633760053545466JyAEBh > > > From dotto at velocitus.net Tue Mar 7 05:43:55 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (dotto at velocitus.net) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 06:43:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: <008701c641dc$f3e130f0$bd161941@pengy> References: <000401c64194$c3aa21f0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <008701c641dc$f3e130f0$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <14056.15.243.169.73.1141739035.squirrel@webmail.rmci.net> Hi Rick Curt designed a cool way to make a removable insert, See http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=showPhoto&albumID=547573772&photoID=2871128320053545466&security=YojpTu http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=showPhoto&albumID=547573772&photoID=2102771820053545466&security=qehNAr These are the inserts; I just need to mill the core box and install them. They will be swapped from side to side to make the left and right core halves, but I'm sure you already knew that. Dave PS. How are things going at the foundry. > How do you intend to put in that little projection which is located 90 > degrees from the pin bosses? Are you going to put a loose piece in the > corebox? > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > and nonferrous castings > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-728-2799 > Fax 330-759-1524 > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Otto" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:11 PM > Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. > > >> Hi Everyone >> >> I have been able to make a little more progress on my first venture >> into pattern making. I'm not quite as quick as Curt but I have been >> slowly making >> progress. >> >> I also have been working on two patterns for rocker arms that are for >> the same engine. I will try to get some rocker arm pictures up in a >> few days. >> >> Here are the new pictures. >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2625602120053545466CiAZxW >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2970552700053545466xlaeTt >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2894963720053545466SKvrEb >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2224775200053545466srJAZn >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2225423450053545466eoSQrd >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2512113440053545466vbjzGf >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2042633760053545466JyAEBh >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> Dave Otto >> Boise, Idaho >> USA >> dotto at velocitus.net >> http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue Mar 7 06:31:31 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:31:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. References: <000401c64194$c3aa21f0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <008701c641dc$f3e130f0$bd161941@pengy> <14056.15.243.169.73.1141739035.squirrel@webmail.rmci.net> Message-ID: <00ed01c641f3$d4912c20$bd161941@pengy> I wish things were going better. I melted the first heat on Saturday but could not get the furnace to melt yesterday. I need to figure out what I am doing wrong. I have several molds on the floor ready to pour but am having continual problems getting the induction furnace to run reliably. The 9" cupola is standing by as a backup melting unit should I fail to get the induction furnace to work correctly. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. > Hi Rick > > Curt designed a cool way to make a removable insert, See > > http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=showPhoto&albumID=547573772&photoID=2871128320053545466&security=YojpTu > > http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=showPhoto&albumID=547573772&photoID=2102771820053545466&security=qehNAr > > These are the inserts; I just need to mill the core box and install them. > They will be swapped from side to side to make the left and right core > halves, but I'm sure you already knew that. > > Dave > > PS. How are things going at the foundry. > > >> How do you intend to put in that little projection which is located 90 >> degrees from the pin bosses? Are you going to put a loose piece in the >> corebox? >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Tod Engine Works >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron >> and nonferrous castings >> 2261 Hubbard Road >> Youngstown, OH 44505 >> 330-728-2799 >> Fax 330-759-1524 >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Otto" >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:11 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. >> >> >>> Hi Everyone >>> >>> I have been able to make a little more progress on my first venture >>> into pattern making. I'm not quite as quick as Curt but I have been >>> slowly making >>> progress. >>> >>> I also have been working on two patterns for rocker arms that are for >>> the same engine. I will try to get some rocker arm pictures up in a >>> few days. >>> >>> Here are the new pictures. >>> >>> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2625602120053545466CiAZxW >>> >>> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2970552700053545466xlaeTt >>> >>> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2894963720053545466SKvrEb >>> >>> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2224775200053545466srJAZn >>> >>> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2225423450053545466eoSQrd >>> >>> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2512113440053545466vbjzGf >>> >>> http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2042633760053545466JyAEBh >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave Otto >>> Boise, Idaho >>> USA >>> dotto at velocitus.net >>> http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Mar 7 06:27:50 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:27:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: <14056.15.243.169.73.1141739035.squirrel@webmail.rmci.net> References: <000401c64194$c3aa21f0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <008701c641dc$f3e130f0$bd161941@pengy> <14056.15.243.169.73.1141739035.squirrel@webmail.rmci.net> Message-ID: <440D9866.5040207@scrtc.com> Dave or Curt, I have "loosely" followed the pattern making thread but wished I had paid more attention. Here are a couple of questions. Can you give me some additional info. on the removable insert? How's it held in, removed, etc. Second, is it simply paper you put between the two halves before glueing so that you can separate them later? I had a guy once tell me he glued newspaper between the halves then took a sharp chisel and with a blow of the mallet they would pop apart. This pattern work is beginning to interest me and I admire the work you've done. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Rick > >Curt designed a cool way to make a removable insert, See > >http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=showPhoto&albumID=547573772&photoID=2871128320053545466&security=YojpTu > >http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=showPhoto&albumID=547573772&photoID=2102771820053545466&security=qehNAr > >These are the inserts; I just need to mill the core box and install them. >They will be swapped from side to side to make the left and right core >halves, but I'm sure you already knew that. > >Dave > >PS. How are things going at the foundry. > > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 7 07:41:00 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:41:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: <440D9866.5040207@scrtc.com> References: <000401c64194$c3aa21f0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <008701c641dc$f3e130f0$bd161941@pengy> <14056.15.243.169.73.1141739035.squirrel@webmail.rmci.net> <440D9866.5040207@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <440DA98C.5030005@imc-group.com> Tommy, Consider a piston (or any hollow casting) that is perfectly symmetrical on the inside. You make a core box that is essentially 1/2 of the core and you ram 2 of these core halves up and glue them together. But in the case of Dave's Falk piston or my 3HP Herc piston the inside is not symmetric. In Dave's piston there is a bottom that sticks down from the top that drips oil on the wrist pin. On the Herc piston there is a web across the top that supports the copper tube that oils the wrist pin. Because of this you have 2 choices. Make 2 separate core boxes with this feature on the right on one half and with this feature on the left on the other half. Or you can make a single core box and make the feature removable and swappable (word?) to the other side. You also make a blank. By swapping the blank and the feature, you are able to ram right and left core halves with the same core box. For small volumes of casting this is the most economical method, as making core boxes is labor intensive. As to the patterns and separating them. I spot glue mine and then split with a 2" chisel. The paper method works too, but the spot glue method works so well that's all I do now. Maybe 10 little drops spread around in a pattern and the drop about 1/8" diameter. When you clamp them to dry the spots will grow to about a 1/4" diameter. I also run a thin bead at each end. That solid glued section either gets cut away during the lathe work or you may have to saw into the end with a hacksaw for a 1/4" or so. Then it will split easily. The glued end is to add strength to the spreading forces the center tend to impose. Having a pattern fly apart in the lathe wouldn't be too fun! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Dave or Curt, > I have "loosely" followed the pattern making thread but wished I > had paid more attention. Here are a couple of questions. Can you give > me some additional info. on the removable insert? How's it held in, > removed, etc. Second, is it simply paper you put between the two > halves before glueing so that you can separate them later? I had a > guy once tell me he glued newspaper between the halves then took a > sharp chisel and with a blow of the mallet they would pop apart. This > pattern work is beginning to interest me and I admire the work you've > done. Thanks. > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 7 09:20:11 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:20:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? Message-ID: Hiya Folks, Interesting question, yes? So whaddya think? Would you give up the price of a case of good beer to help save a rare engine from the scrapper's torch? Allow this rare engine to be seen running in a museum rather than being melted down to pig iron ingots shipped off to help China's economy grow? The need is URGENT. If the engine is to be saved it must be done in April. Have I got your attention? OK, read on... Paul and Hazel Evans at the Internal Fire Museum in Wales need our help. http://www.internalfire.com/ The following is the text of an appeal that was just sent out to the Friends of the Museum. I have not cleared posting this appeal to the lists with Paul, so if this offends you in any way, flame me, not Paul. My request to the lists is this. We have over 400 members on the Stationary Engine List and probably around 200 on the Old Engine List. If one out of 4 or 5 donated the price of a case of good beer to the Internal Fire Museum, Paul would have the funds that he needs to rescue this engine. For those of us located outside the UK, the easiest way to make the donation is to use PayPal via the Internal Power website. http://www.internalfire.com/donate.php That way you can make the donation in pounds and it goes into the Museum's accounts without bank fees or wire transfer fees. I just sent my donation. It took about 30 seconds to do. You can also use your regular PayPal payment process, sending money to paul at semidiesel.com. Just make sure to select Pounds Sterling as the currency. Please consider helping to save this engine!! Thanks!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Ruston 11HE Diesel Rescue Appeal At the New Years Day Crankup in 2005 discussions began regarding a very special engine. A Ruston 11HE single cylinder diesel originally installed at Taplow Repeater Station near Maidenhead. This is one of 10 made to a special specification for the GPO and we think this is the only survivor. This is a particularly lovely big single and has done very little in the way of work. It still has the two direct coupled generators it drove at Taplow and will make a superb and complementary exhibit at the museum. This particular engine has special significance for me as it was the engine that made me realise there were things other than large steam engines that might interest me. I regularly assisted the engineer with its monthly test-runs. Regrettably work and a house-move meant that when the engine was offered I could not take it. In 1987 I left Maidenhead and heard that the engine had been removed for preservation later that year. I'd always wondered what became of it. The engine has been stored in the open for some time but is still in excellent mechanical condition just needing cosmetic restoration. The challenge now facing the museum is that after protracted discussions it must be moved by April 2006. We have already committed all our available funds for the coming season and no grants are available. We cannot therefore afford to move it without making this appeal, the cost will be in the region of 2200 GBP. The engine has been donated to the museum but must be moved before April or we will lose it. We are conscious that, in addition to your memberships fees, many of you have already made contributions of both time and money but felt that as a "Friend of the Museum" you would want to be aware of the situation. This is a unique opportunity and if you feel able to make a donation you can do so through our website or preferably by sending a cheque made payable to "Internal Fire - Museum of Power". Many Thanks Paul and Hazel Tel: 01239 811212 Email: paul at semidiesel.com From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 7 10:26:10 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:26:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 3HP Hercules Jaeger Economy pattern and core box. In-Reply-To: <440DA98C.5030005@imc-group.com> References: <000401c64194$c3aa21f0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <008701c641dc$f3e130f0$bd161941@pengy> <14056.15.243.169.73.1141739035.squirrel@webmail.rmci.net> <440D9866.5040207@scrtc.com> <440DA98C.5030005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <440DD042.8050403@imc-group.com> Tommy, As promised here is a page on another pattern and corebox to make a piston for the 3HP Herc/Econ/Jaeger engines. The 2 photos at the bottom show the removable pieces that can be swapped, that make the rib that runs across the top of the piston. The pieces are held in with wood screws into the side of the corebox. After ramming they are slid out the side of the corebox. You also asked about the gluing of the pattern halves. There is a picture of this in here as well. Hope this helps. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 7 10:33:36 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:33:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003101c64215$a738c5e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Interesting question, yes? So whaddya think? Would you give > up the price of a case of good beer to help save a rare engine Deal Kelley and me in for the equivalent of four cases of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. There's gonna be some mighty thirsty times here in the near future. So is an 11HE similar in looks to the 8HR as seen in Knight's Big Green Book? Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 7 10:27:07 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:27:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE: Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? In-Reply-To: <003101c64215$a738c5e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <003101c64215$a738c5e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Good on ya mates!! > Deal Kelley and me in for the equivalent of four > cases of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. There's gonna > be some mighty thirsty times here in the near > future. Good on ya mates!! > So is an 11HE similar in looks to the 8HR as seen in > Knight's Big Green Book? RATS!! I just expunged the appeal letter that had a couple of great pics. Hopefully, Paul will post some and answer this question. I can say that it's a beauty!! The specs are: Flywheel diameter: 9'-2" Bore: ~15" Stroke: 24" Weight: ~20 tons From paul at semidiesel.com Tue Mar 7 11:18:10 2006 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:18:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440DDC72.1070507@semidiesel.com> Hi All, Not sure whether or not to shout at Arnie! We restricted the appeal to the Friends of the Museum rather than post to Newsgroups and SEL etc as SEL has already made a pretty sizeable donation to the museum for which we are very grateful indeed, would have seemed cheeky to ask for yet more help. However, as the cat is out of the bag. http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/bpt/vdocs/powerroom.html is a similar engine installed at the same time. As an electric (generating) engine she has a very large flywheel and runs very well. When I first saw the engine in 1984 it was obvious she had never done any real work and was in perfect order. More used to large steam mill engines she was first big oil engine I had ever played with she was an eye opener, ran like a clock and is the main reason why I moved away from steam and into internal combustion engines. I could do nothing at the time she was disposed of as I had just moved jobs and was staying with my parents while I found a new house, couldn't really see it sat in their garden :-) Although dismantled for quite some time the engine is still in good condition and will be a reasonably straight forward assembly job after some cleaning. Still complete with the two original large dynamos she will make a seriously impressive exhibit. Any help on this is appreciated no matter how small, the hauliers as usual will do us a good price but the two wagons needed don't come cheap. Thanks to those who have already chipped in and hope a few more of you get to visit sometime. Thanks for the support Paul & Hazel -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 7 11:33:37 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:33:37 -0000 Subject: [SEL] 1952 Shell Stationary engine film Second try. Message-ID: <006b01c6421e$09280e70$0b4c1152@no1> Hi, This film that I made available last week can be downloaded by 25 people & will disappear after 7 days. A few people tried too late to get it last time & have asked me to do it again. Don't try it if you are not on broadband unless you are Very patient. The film size is 45 Mb & plays on Quicktime Player version 7.0.4 . This is a free download. Also on Ashampoo Photo Commander 4. Download from http://download.yousendit.com/4DADE077AE1A08A7 Please let me know of any problems. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Mar 7 11:32:57 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:32:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: <440DA98C.5030005@imc-group.com> References: <000401c64194$c3aa21f0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <008701c641dc$f3e130f0$bd161941@pengy> <14056.15.243.169.73.1141739035.squirrel@webmail.rmci.net> <440D9866.5040207@scrtc.com> <440DA98C.5030005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <440DDFE9.6000407@scrtc.com> Thanks Curt. I have a better idea of what you're talking about now. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy, > Consider a piston (or any hollow casting) that is perfectly > symmetrical on the inside. You make a core box that is essentially 1/2 > of the core and you ram 2 of these core halves up and glue them > together. But in the case of Dave's Falk piston or my 3HP Herc piston > the inside is not symmetric. In Dave's piston there is a bottom that > sticks down from the top that drips oil on the wrist pin. On the Herc > piston there is a web across the top that supports the copper tube > that oils the wrist pin. Because of this you have 2 choices. Make 2 > separate core boxes with this feature on the right on one half and > with this feature on the left on the other half. > Or you can make a single core box and make the feature removable and > swappable (word?) to the other side. You also make a blank. By > swapping the blank and the feature, you are able to ram right and left > core halves with the same core box. For small volumes of casting this > is the most economical method, as making core boxes is labor intensive. > > As to the patterns and separating them. I spot glue mine and then > split with a 2" chisel. The paper method works too, but the spot glue > method works so well that's all I do now. Maybe 10 little drops spread > around in a pattern and the drop about 1/8" diameter. When you clamp > them to dry the spots will grow to about a 1/4" diameter. I also run a > thin bead at each end. That solid glued section either gets cut away > during the lathe work or you may have to saw into the end with a > hacksaw for a 1/4" or so. Then it will split easily. The glued end is > to add strength to the spreading forces the center tend to impose. > Having a pattern fly apart in the lathe wouldn't be too fun! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Dave or Curt, >> I have "loosely" followed the pattern making thread but wished I >> had paid more attention. Here are a couple of questions. Can you >> give me some additional info. on the removable insert? How's it held >> in, removed, etc. Second, is it simply paper you put between the two >> halves before glueing so that you can separate them later? I had a >> guy once tell me he glued newspaper between the halves then took a >> sharp chisel and with a blow of the mallet they would pop apart. >> This pattern work is beginning to interest me and I admire the work >> you've done. Thanks. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 7 12:13:25 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:13:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: <440DDFE9.6000407@scrtc.com> References: <000401c64194$c3aa21f0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <008701c641dc$f3e130f0$bd161941@pengy> <14056.15.243.169.73.1141739035.squirrel@webmail.rmci.net> <440D9866.5040207@scrtc.com> <440DA98C.5030005@imc-group.com> <440DDFE9.6000407@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <440DE965.9040701@imc-group.com> Tommy, Just reread what I typed earlier and that was supposed to read "In Dave's piston there is a _button_ that sticks down from the top that drips oil..." Dangerous combo these fat fingers and spell check! Here is the picture of the button on the top of the piston that oils the wrist pin. Curt Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Thanks Curt. I have a better idea of what you're talking about now. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 7 13:17:01 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:17:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060307211701.67119.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Arnie, I don't drink beer. So to me a case of ANY grade beer ain't worth two cents. Wanna phrase that a different way? Alan Bowen Arnie Fero wrote: Hiya Folks, Interesting question, yes? So whaddya think? Would you give up the price of a case of good beer to help save a rare engine from the scrapper's torch? Allow this rare engine to be seen running in a museum rather than being melted down to pig iron ingots shipped off to help China's economy grow? The need is URGENT. If the engine is to be saved it must be done in April. Have I got your attention? OK, read on... Paul and Hazel Evans at the Internal Fire Museum in Wales need our help. http://www.internalfire.com/ The following is the text of an appeal that was just sent out to the Friends of the Museum. I have not cleared posting this appeal to the lists with Paul, so if this offends you in any way, flame me, not Paul. My request to the lists is this. We have over 400 members on the Stationary Engine List and probably around 200 on the Old Engine List. If one out of 4 or 5 donated the price of a case of good beer to the Internal Fire Museum, Paul would have the funds that he needs to rescue this engine. For those of us located outside the UK, the easiest way to make the donation is to use PayPal via the Internal Power website. http://www.internalfire.com/donate.php That way you can make the donation in pounds and it goes into the Museum's accounts without bank fees or wire transfer fees. I just sent my donation. It took about 30 seconds to do. You can also use your regular PayPal payment process, sending money to paul at semidiesel.com. Just make sure to select Pounds Sterling as the currency. Please consider helping to save this engine!! Thanks!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Ruston 11HE Diesel Rescue Appeal At the New Years Day Crankup in 2005 discussions began regarding a very special engine. A Ruston 11HE single cylinder diesel originally installed at Taplow Repeater Station near Maidenhead. This is one of 10 made to a special specification for the GPO and we think this is the only survivor. This is a particularly lovely big single and has done very little in the way of work. It still has the two direct coupled generators it drove at Taplow and will make a superb and complementary exhibit at the museum. This particular engine has special significance for me as it was the engine that made me realise there were things other than large steam engines that might interest me. I regularly assisted the engineer with its monthly test-runs. Regrettably work and a house-move meant that when the engine was offered I could not take it. In 1987 I left Maidenhead and heard that the engine had been removed for preservation later that year. I'd always wondered what became of it. The engine has been stored in the open for some time but is still in excellent mechanical condition just needing cosmetic restoration. The challenge now facing the museum is that after protracted discussions it must be moved by April 2006. We have already committed all our available funds for the coming season and no grants are available. We cannot therefore afford to move it without making this appeal, the cost will be in the region of 2200 GBP. The engine has been donated to the museum but must be moved before April or we will lose it. We are conscious that, in addition to your memberships fees, many of you have already made contributions of both time and money but felt that as a "Friend of the Museum" you would want to be aware of the situation. This is a unique opportunity and if you feel able to make a donation you can do so through our website or preferably by sending a cheque made payable to "Internal Fire - Museum of Power". Many Thanks Paul and Hazel Tel: 01239 811212 Email: paul at semidiesel.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --0-1900566156-1141766221=:66351 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hey Arnie,

I don't drink beer.

So to me a case of ANY grade beer ain't worth two cents.

Wanna phrase that a different way?

Alan Bowen

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

Hiya Folks,

Interesting question, yes? So whaddya think? Would you give up the price
of a case of good beer to help save a rare engine from the scrapper's
torch? Allow this rare engine to be seen running in a museum rather than
being melted down to pig iron ingots shipped off to help China's economy
grow?

The need is URGENT. If the engine is to be saved it must be done in
April.

Have I got your attention? OK, read on...

Paul and Hazel Evans at the Internal Fire Museum in Wales need our help.
http://www.internalfire.com/

The following is the text of an appeal that was just sent out to the
Friends of the Museum. I have not cleared posting this appeal to the
lists with Paul, so if this offends you in any way, flame me, not Paul.

My request to the lists is this. We have over 400 members on the
Stationary Engine List and probably around 200 on the Old Engine List.
If one out of 4 or 5 donated the price of a case of good beer to the
Internal Fire Museum, Paul would have the funds that he needs to rescue
this engine. For those of us located outside the UK, the easiest way to
make the donation is to use PayPal via the Internal Power website.
http://www.internalfire.com/donate.php That way you can make the donation
in pounds and it goes into the Museum's accounts without bank fees or wire
transfer fees. I just sent my donation. It took about 30 seconds to do.

You can also use your regular PayPal payment process, sending money to
paul at semidiesel.com. Just make sure to select Pounds Sterling as the
currency.

Please consider helping to save this engine!! Thanks!!

See ya, Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Ruston 11HE Diesel
Rescue Appeal

At the New Years Day Crankup in 2005 discussions began regarding a very
special engine. A Ruston 11HE single cylinder diesel originally installed
at Taplow Repeater Station near Maidenhead. This is one of 10 made to a
special specification for the GPO and we think this is the only survivor.

This is a particularly lovely big single and has done very little in the
way of work. It still has the two direct coupled generators it drove at
Taplow and will make a superb and complementary exhibit at the museum.

This particular engine has special significance for me as it was the
engine that made me realise there were things other than large steam
engines that might in terest me. I regularly assisted the engineer with its
monthly test-runs. Regrettably work and a house-move meant that when the
engine was offered I could not take it.

In 1987 I left Maidenhead and heard that the engine had been removed for
preservation later that year. I'd always wondered what became of it.

The engine has been stored in the open for some time but is still in
excellent mechanical condition just needing cosmetic restoration.

The challenge now facing the museum is that after protracted discussions
it must be moved by April 2006. We have already committed all our
available funds for the coming season and no grants are available.

We cannot therefore afford to move it without making this appeal, the cost
will be in the region of 2200 GBP. The engine has been donated to the
museum but must be moved before April or we will lose it.

We are conscious that, in addition to your memberships fees, many of you
have alr eady made contributions of both time and money but felt that as a
"Friend of the Museum" you would want to be aware of the situation.

This is a unique opportunity and if you feel able to make a donation you
can do so through our website or preferably by sending a cheque made
payable to "Internal Fire - Museum of Power".

Many Thanks

Paul and Hazel
Tel: 01239 811212
Email: paul at semidiesel.com

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From solarrog at pacbell.net Tue Mar 7 13:55:18 2006 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:55:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? References: <20060307211701.67119.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c64231$d4cca550$c1058347@D6R3D961> I had hoped that this was an engine group, Everywhere I turn is someone asking for money its so tiring. 350 spam message yesterday wanting to steal from me, now more here sorry guess im tired and need a vacation Roger From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? > Hey Arnie, > > I don't drink beer. > So to me a case of ANY grade beer ain't worth two cents. > > Wanna phrase that a different way? > > Alan Bowen > > Arnie Fero wrote: > Hiya Folks, > > Interesting question, yes? So whaddya think? Would you give up the price > of a case of good beer to help save a rare engine from the scrapper's > torch? Allow this rare engine to be seen running in a museum rather than > being melted down to pig iron ingots shipped off to help China's economy > grow? > > The need is URGENT. If the engine is to be saved it must be done in > April. > > Have I got your attention? OK, read on... > > Paul and Hazel Evans at the Internal Fire Museum in Wales need our help. > http://www.internalfire.com/ > > The following is the text of an appeal that was just sent out to the > Friends of the Museum. I have not cleared posting this appeal to the > lists with Paul, so if this offends you in any way, flame me, not Paul. > > My request to the lists is this. We have over 400 members on the > Stationary Engine List and probably around 200 on the Old Engine List. > If one out of 4 or 5 donated the price of a case of good beer to the > Internal Fire Museum, Paul would have the funds that he needs to rescue > this engine. For those of us located outside the UK, the easiest way to > make the donation is to use PayPal via the Internal Power website. > http://www.internalfire.com/donate.php That way you can make the donation > in pounds and it goes into the Museum's accounts without bank fees or wire > transfer fees. I just sent my donation. It took about 30 seconds to do. > > You can also use your regular PayPal payment process, sending money to > paul at semidiesel.com. Just make sure to select Pounds Sterling as the > currency. > > Please consider helping to save this engine!! Thanks!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > Ruston 11HE Diesel > Rescue Appeal > > At the New Years Day Crankup in 2005 discussions began regarding a very > special engine. A Ruston 11HE single cylinder diesel originally installed > at Taplow Repeater Station near Maidenhead. This is one of 10 made to a > special specification for the GPO and we think this is the only survivor. > > This is a particularly lovely big single and has done very little in the > way of work. It still has the two direct coupled generators it drove at > Taplow and will make a superb and complementary exhibit at the museum. > > This particular engine has special significance for me as it was the > engine that made me realise there were things other than large steam > engines that might interest me. I regularly assisted the engineer with its > monthly test-runs. Regrettably work and a house-move meant that when the > engine was offered I could not take it. > > In 1987 I left Maidenhead and heard that the engine had been removed for > preservation later that year. I'd always wondered what became of it. > > The engine has been stored in the open for some time but is still in > excellent mechanical condition just needing cosmetic restoration. > > The challenge now facing the museum is that after protracted discussions > it must be moved by April 2006. We have already committed all our > available funds for the coming season and no grants are available. > > We cannot therefore afford to move it without making this appeal, the cost > will be in the region of 2200 GBP. The engine has been donated to the > museum but must be moved before April or we will lose it. > > We are conscious that, in addition to your memberships fees, many of you > have already made contributions of both time and money but felt that as a > "Friend of the Museum" you would want to be aware of the situation. > > This is a unique opportunity and if you feel able to make a donation you > can do so through our website or preferably by sending a cheque made > payable to "Internal Fire - Museum of Power". > > Many Thanks > > Paul and Hazel > Tel: 01239 811212 > Email: paul at semidiesel.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > --0-1900566156-1141766221=:66351 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >

Hey Arnie,

I don't drink beer. >

So to me a case of ANY grade beer ain't worth two > cents.

Wanna phrase that a different > way?

Alan Bowen

Arnie Fero > <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: > #1010ff 2px solid">Hiya Folks,

Interesting question, yes? So > whaddya think? Would you give up the price
of a case of good beer to > help save a rare engine from the scrapper's
torch? Allow this rare > engine to be seen running in a museum rather than
being melted down to > pig iron ingots shipped off to help China's economy
grow?

The > need is URGENT. If the engine is to be saved it must be done > in
April.

Have I got your attention? OK, read on...

Paul > and Hazel Evans at the Internal Fire Museum in Wales need our > help.
http://www.internalfire.com/

The following is the text of > an appeal that was just sent out to the
Friends of the Museum. I have > not cleared posting this appeal to the
lists with Paul, so if this > offends you in any way, flame me, not Paul.

My request to the lists > is this. We have over 400 members on the
Stationary Engine List and > probably around 200 on the Old Engine List.
If one out of 4 or 5 > donated the price of a case of good beer to the
Internal Fire Museum, > Paul would have the funds that he needs to rescue
this engine. For > those of us located outside the UK, the easiest way to
make the > donation is to use PayPal via the Internal Power > website.
http://www.internalfire.com/donate.php That way you can make > the donation
in pounds and it goes into the Museum's accounts without > bank fees or wire
transfer fees. I just sent my donation. It took about > 30 seconds to do.

You can also use your regular PayPal payment > process, > sending > money to
paul at semidiesel.com. Just make sure to select Pounds Sterling > as the
currency.

Please consider helping to save this engine!! > Thanks!!

See ya, Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, > PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Ruston 11HE Diesel
Rescue > Appeal

At the New Years Day Crankup in 2005 discussions began > regarding a very
special engine. A Ruston 11HE single cylinder diesel > originally installed
at Taplow Repeater Station near Maidenhead. This > is one of 10 made to a
special specification for the GPO and we think > this is the only survivor.

This is a particularly lovely big single > and has done very little in the
way of work. It still has the two > direct coupled generators it drove at
Taplow and will make a superb and > complementary exhibit at the museum.

This particular engine has > special significance for me as it was the
engine that made me realise > there were things other than large steam
engines that might in > terest > me. I regularly assisted the engineer with its
monthly test-runs. > Regrettably work and a house-move meant that when the
engine was > offered I could not take it.

In 1987 I left Maidenhead and heard > that the engine had been removed for
preservation later that year. I'd > always wondered what became of it.

The engine has been stored in > the open for some time but is still in
excellent mechanical condition > just needing cosmetic restoration.

The challenge now facing the > museum is that after protracted discussions
it must be moved by April > 2006. We have already committed all our
available funds for the coming > season and no grants are available.

We cannot therefore afford to > move it without making this appeal, the cost
will be in the region of > 2200 GBP. The engine has been donated to the
museum but must be moved > before April or we will lose it.

We are conscious that, in addition > to your memberships fees, many of you
have alr > eady > made contributions of both time and money but felt that as a
"Friend of > the Museum" you would want to be aware of the situation.

This is a > unique opportunity and if you feel able to make a donation you
can do > so through our website or preferably by sending a cheque made
payable > to "Internal Fire - Museum of Power".

Many Thanks

Paul and > Hazel
Tel: 01239 811212
Email: > paul at semidiesel.com

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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> Bring photos to life! href="http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39174/*http://photomail.mail.yahoo.com">New > PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Mar 7 14:18:52 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:18:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: <000401c64194$c3aa21f0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: A question for you patternmakers who are using your metal lathe for wood turning. What type of tooling are you using, tool steel or carbide in a tool holder, or wood turning chisels on a rest? Thanks, Steve >From: "Dave Otto" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:11:00 -0700 > >Hi Everyone > >I have been able to make a little more progress on my first venture into >pattern making. I'm not quite as quick as Curt but I have been slowly >making >progress. > >I also have been working on two patterns for rocker arms that are for the >same engine. I will try to get some rocker arm pictures up in a few days. > >Here are the new pictures. > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2625602120053545466CiAZxW > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2970552700053545466xlaeTt > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2894963720053545466SKvrEb > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2224775200053545466srJAZn > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2225423450053545466eoSQrd > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2512113440053545466vbjzGf > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2042633760053545466JyAEBh > > >Dave > > > >Dave Otto >Boise, Idaho >USA >dotto at velocitus.net >http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Mar 7 15:10:45 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:10:45 EST Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3 HP Status Message-ID: <19c.46653082.313f6cf5@aol.com> Hi List, I picked up a non-running rusty IHC M 3HP igniter type about 6 weeks ago. Needless to say, it came with a stuck piston and many missing parts (igniter, magneto, fuel tank, and fuel lines). Finally after removing the head, governor assembly, carburetor, disconnecting the connecting rod, etc., I managed to get the piston out. I made a plate to replace the head to fit the end of the cylinder. I drilled and tapped a couple of holes into this plate to allow filling of the cylinder with old oil and to permit pressurizing the cylinder with a grease gun. This pressurizing plate was also machined to allow the installation of 4?" "O" ring to seal the cylinder. Before installing this plate, I honed the cylinder. This oil mixture was allowed to sit in the cylinder for a few days. Yesterday, I began to pressurize the cylinder using a grease gun. I did not feel any pumping pressure when using the grease gun. However, I did sense piston movement. The piston was originally stuck in nearly the BDC position. After moving the piston about ?", I stopped, drained some of the oil out the cylinder and with much effort I was able to push the piston to its original piston. I left the cylinder filled with oil and applied about 90 psi air pressure. I let this sit over night. This morning, I drained some of the oil out the cylinder. I placed a piece of a 5' - 4" x 4" beam on the flywheel rim and held it with a chain. Then, using this beam as a lever, I was able to turn the crankshaft which moved the piston until the crankshaft journal no longer made contact with the rod. The pressuring plate was removed and the remaining oil and grease were drained. Then, I was able to place short piece of 2" x 4", through the crankcase on the end of the connecting rod. Using a heavy hammer, I pounded the other end of this 2" x 4" until the piston came out. Now, I have to get rings freed and clean up the piston. Several people on the SmokStak Chat Room advised me on how to proceed with the above effort. Without their input and encouragement, this piston removal exercise wouldn't have happen so fast and with no breakage. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1141773045 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi List,

I picked up a non-running rusty IHC M 3HP igniter type about 6 weeks ago. Needless to say, it came with a stuck piston and many missing parts (igniter, magneto, fuel tank, and fuel lines).

Finally after removing the head, governor assembly, carburetor, disconnecting the connecting rod, etc., I managed to get the piston out. I made a plate to replace the head to fit the end of the cylinder. I drilled and tapped a couple of holes into this plate to allow filling of the cylinder with old oil and to permit pressurizing the cylinder with a grease gun. This pressurizing plate was also machined to allow the installation of 4?" "O" ring to seal the cylinder. Before installing this plate, I honed the cylinder. This oil mixture was allowed to sit in the cylinder for a few days.

Yesterday, I began to pressurize the cylinder using a grease gun. I did not feel any pumping pressure when using the grease gun. However, I did sense piston movement. The piston was originally stuck in nearly the BDC position. After moving the piston about ?", I stopped, drained some of the oil out the cylinder and with much effort I was able to push the piston to its original piston. I left the cylinder filled with oil and applied about 90 psi air pressure. I let this sit over night.

This morning, I drained some of the oil out the cylinder. I placed a piece of a 5' - 4" x 4" beam on the flywheel rim and held it with a chain. Then, using this beam as a lever, I was able to turn the crankshaft which moved the piston until the crankshaft journal no longer made contact with the rod. The pressuring plate was removed and the remaining oil and grease were drained. Then, I was able to place short piece of 2" x 4", through the crankcase on the end of the connecting rod. Using a heavy hammer, I pounded the other end of this 2" x 4" until the piston came out.

Now, I have to get rings freed and clean up the piston.

Several people on the SmokStak Chat Room advised me on how to proceed with the above effort. Without their input and encouragement, this piston removal exercise wouldn't have happen so fast and with no breakage.

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Mar 7 15:30:37 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:30:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? Message-ID: <20060307.153038.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Arnie. I can't find the place to designate pounds sterling? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Fri Mar 3 06:45:16 2006 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:45:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Price on Ideal vertical engine? References: <44079DD9.1000105@steamengine.com.au> <4407B47D.3020707@scrtc.com> <4431.165.206.180.19.1141396016.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <000a01c63ed1$16453880$546bcc45@stojanov> Hello All, I have a couple questions for you folks regarding an Ideal vertical. First off, my friend and I were over at another friend's house changing the compressor oil and putting 134A in a restored Coke cooler about 2 years ago. While there I spotted what looked to be flywheels in the back of his garage. Yep! It was a vertical hopper cooled Ideal engine, about 3hp size. Looked a lot like a Novo. I think the Ideal may have been missing some ignition timer parts (which aren't a big deal), and it was stuck. I beleive these engines were a Gould Shapley and Muir design, if I'm not mistaken. It has come to the point where I'd like to get this engine, so I would like to give him a fair price on it. Any ideas what price range I should offer him? Thanks! Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Mar 3 15:01:50 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:01:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Why you should google your own name from time to time... In-Reply-To: <44086AC6.1030807@imc-group.com> References: <44079DD9.1000105@steamengine.com.au> <44086AC6.1030807@imc-group.com> Message-ID: > My wife Missy just Googled herself and found out she was born here in > Gaston Co, North Carolina in 1880. She doesn't look near her age! I've seen her in daylight, too! How's she do that? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Fri Mar 3 04:19:56 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 07:19:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry References: <00d901c63e10$3f604370$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <003901c63ea7$58717950$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <00e001c63ebc$c90db3d0$bd161941@pengy> The planned startup of foundry operations at the Tod Engine Works two weeks ago didn't goquite as planned. The motor generator set overheated and ruined the alternator windings, so I had to borrow another 50kw unit from a friend. It turned out to be the wrong frequency and after it failed to melt metal I went and picked up yet a third MG set, this one is the correct frequency but is twice the size of the first unit, being 100kw. So starting yesterday I've been setting up the 100kw unit and getting it ready for a test heat this weekend. BTW Arnie that trailer you sold me has been a real lifesaver. I've been using the heck out of it and it carried the 4,000 lb. MG set back from Akron without a complaint. Of course not having springs makes for a rough ride at times! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron and nonferrous castings 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 Fax 330-759-1524 www.todengine.org/engineworks.html From blcksmth at wcnet.org Tue Mar 7 17:16:06 2006 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:16:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I use whatever is handy. Last fall I needed a set of bore inserts for a split lineshaft pulley. I used a boring bar to turn the inside diameter to shaft size after drilling it with a Forstner bit to the nearest diameter. If I made a method to hold wood chisels in the tool rest I would probably use wood chisels. I suspect the surface would end up smoother using a wider cutting surface. The finish inside the bore inserts was not critical. I turned the outside on the wood lathe and just made the final pass on the metal lathe. I have found that turning the inside diameter several inches deep on a wood lathe is not very accurate. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:19 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: RE: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. A question for you patternmakers who are using your metal lathe for wood turning. What type of tooling are you using, tool steel or carbide in a tool holder, or wood turning chisels on a rest? Thanks, Steve >From: "Dave Otto" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:11:00 -0700 > >Hi Everyone > >I have been able to make a little more progress on my first venture >into pattern making. I'm not quite as quick as Curt but I have been >slowly making progress. > >I also have been working on two patterns for rocker arms that are for >the same engine. I will try to get some rocker arm pictures up in a few days. > >Here are the new pictures. > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2625602120053545466CiAZxW > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2970552700053545466xlaeTt > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2894963720053545466SKvrEb > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2224775200053545466srJAZn > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2225423450053545466eoSQrd > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2512113440053545466vbjzGf > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547573772/2042633760053545466JyAEBh > > >Dave > > > >Dave Otto >Boise, Idaho >USA >dotto at velocitus.net >http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Mar 7 17:36:20 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:36:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3 HP Status In-Reply-To: <19c.46653082.313f6cf5@aol.com> Message-ID: <200603080136.k281aQxG022148@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of FRM8198 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:11 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3 HP Status Snip Using a heavy hammer, I pounded the other end of this 2" x 4" until the piston came out. Now, I have to get rings freed and clean up the piston. Several people on the SmokStak Chat Room advised me on how to proceed with the above effort. Without their input and encouragement, this piston removal exercise wouldn't have happen so fast and with no breakage. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Score one for the good guys! Congratulations upon your success, Francis. Thank you for describing the technique. I'll file it for future reference. Keep us posted on your progress. Restoration stories are a big part of our hobby. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Tue Mar 7 18:04:28 2006 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:04:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? References: <20060307.153038.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <004501c64254$a1901be0$bac87040@user> onlineconversion.com should get it. Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? Hi Arnie. I can't find the place to designate pounds sterling? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/275 - Release Date: 3/6/06 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/276 - Release Date: 3/7/06 From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue Mar 7 18:19:36 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:19:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Finally Making Castings! Message-ID: <002b01c64256$bf4fb350$bd161941@pengy> I figured out what was wrong with the furnace, corrected it and successfully poured my first castings tonight. As an indication of my major source of customers the castings were all gas engine parts. I've put several pictures in one of my webshots albums. http://community.webshots.com/photo/180048461/2442640840033749120TMECMH OK everyone send me your orders. I'm ready now! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron and nonferrous castings 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 Fax 330-759-1524 www.todengine.org/engineworks.html From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Mar 7 19:23:58 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:23:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Finally Making Castings! In-Reply-To: <002b01c64256$bf4fb350$bd161941@pengy> References: <002b01c64256$bf4fb350$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <440E4E4E.9040203@scrtc.com> Great work Rick. I really like the detail you were able to capture with the lettering and numbering. Too often I see that lost by the iron men who don't know how important it is to those of us who wants to do the job "right". I'll be sending you some business. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I figured out what was wrong with the furnace, corrected it and successfully poured my first castings tonight. As an indication of my major source of customers the castings were all gas engine parts. > >I've put several pictures in one of my webshots albums. > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/180048461/2442640840033749120TMECMH > >OK everyone send me your orders. I'm ready now! > >Rick Rowlands >Tod Engine Works >Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron >and nonferrous castings >2261 Hubbard Road >Youngstown, OH 44505 >330-728-2799 >Fax 330-759-1524 >www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From dotto at velocitus.net Tue Mar 7 20:11:26 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:11:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c64266$5f1e5a80$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Steve I have been using carbide insert tooling on the lathe. I have some uncoated inserts designed for nonferrous metals; they work real nice on wood. On the mill I have just been using good sharp HSS end mills. Both one the lathe and mill I keep the vacuum hose near the cutter at all times, this gets 80 to 90% of the shavings and dust. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:19 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: RE: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. > > A question for you patternmakers who are using your metal lathe for wood > turning. What type of tooling are you using, tool steel or carbide in a > tool holder, or wood turning chisels on a rest? Thanks, Steve > > From dotto at velocitus.net Tue Mar 7 20:11:26 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:11:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Finally Making Castings! In-Reply-To: <002b01c64256$bf4fb350$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <001601c64266$5f4bac10$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Great news Rick! I'm still a few weeks a way from being ready; my darned busy schedule just doesn't give me a lot of time for hobby work. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 7:20 PM > To: jtrjuno at juno.com; Andy Hredzak; The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Finally Making Castings! > > I figured out what was wrong with the furnace, corrected it and > successfully poured my first castings tonight. As an indication of my > major source of customers the castings were all gas engine parts. > > I've put several pictures in one of my webshots albums. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/180048461/2442640840033749120TMECMH > > OK everyone send me your orders. I'm ready now! > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > and nonferrous castings > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-728-2799 > Fax 330-759-1524 > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 7 22:06:51 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:06:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Finally Making Castings! References: <002b01c64256$bf4fb350$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <00c201c64277$13dab6c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Well done Rick. You might even get orders from Oz, the way things are going. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: ; "Andy Hredzak" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Finally Making Castings! I figured out what was wrong with the furnace, corrected it and successfully poured my first castings tonight. As an indication of my major source of customers the castings were all gas engine parts. I've put several pictures in one of my webshots albums. http://community.webshots.com/photo/180048461/2442640840033749120TMECMH OK everyone send me your orders. I'm ready now! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron and nonferrous castings 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 Fax 330-759-1524 www.todengine.org/engineworks.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 7 22:15:42 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:15:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. References: <001501c64266$5f1e5a80$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <002401c64278$726c3280$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I too, use an old, (VERY) vacuum cleaner on the machines. It was given to me years ago by a mate who left us for pastures new. It just wont die!! Sure saves on the cleanup time!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Otto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. > Hi Steve > > I have been using carbide insert tooling on the lathe. I have some > uncoated > inserts designed for nonferrous metals; they work real nice on wood. On > the > mill I have just been using good sharp HSS end mills. > > Both one the lathe and mill I keep the vacuum hose near the cutter at all > times, this gets 80 to 90% of the shavings and dust. > > Dave > > > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > USA > dotto at velocitus.net > http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >> bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster >> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:19 PM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. >> >> A question for you patternmakers who are using your metal lathe for wood >> turning. What type of tooling are you using, tool steel or carbide in a >> tool holder, or wood turning chisels on a rest? Thanks, Steve >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Mar 8 03:43:16 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:43:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1952 Shell Stationary engine film Second try. References: <006b01c6421e$09280e70$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <001e01c642a5$7db2ba60$796e8645@mikecomp> The film was excellent. Thnks Dave. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: [SEL] 1952 Shell Stationary engine film Second try. > Hi, This film that I made available last week can be downloaded by 25 > people & will disappear after 7 days. > A few people tried too late to get it last time & have asked me to do it > again. > Don't try it if you are not on broadband unless you are Very patient. > The film size is 45 Mb & plays on Quicktime Player version 7.0.4 . > This is a free download. Also on Ashampoo Photo Commander 4. > Download from http://download.yousendit.com/4DADE077AE1A08A7 Please let me > know of any problems. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Mar 8 07:22:46 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:22:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Falk piston pattern update In-Reply-To: <440D7FD5.6000004@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003101c642c4$27e35170$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> HI Curt Thanks for the nice comments. The pattern and core box work for the 3hp Hercules piston looks great as usual. You need to slow down you are starting to make me look really bad. I tried using poplar on one of my rocker arms; I was running a little short on basswood. The poplar doesn't machine quite as well as the basswood and you have to be careful taking heavy cuts because it has a tendency to split out. All it all it works pretty easy and is readily available at Lowe's Keep up the great work, Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > > Dave, > Great documentation of your work and you have this looking excellent! > You _know_ you are inspiring other to give pattern making a try. > A couple of weeks ago I wrapped up another piston pattern and corebox of > a 3 HP Hercules/Jaeger/Economy. I'll try and download the pictures from > the camera and get them posted soon. > Now we just need to wait for Rick to get his foundry up and running. > Nothing quite like a startup! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Mar 8 07:24:40 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:24:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: <440D9866.5040207@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003501c642c4$6b93a820$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Tommy Did you ever sell your 3hp Falk or do you still have it? Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 8 07:01:55 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:01:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? In-Reply-To: <000601c64231$d4cca550$c1058347@D6R3D961> References: <20060307211701.67119.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000601c64231$d4cca550$c1058347@D6R3D961> Message-ID: Hi Roger, Your post amazes me on so many levels, I'm hard pressed to decide where to begin. Let's start with the easy part. Don't get your panties in a bunch, this IS a Stationary Engine list, this post IS about a rare stationary engine, that without our help, might end up as a pig iron ingot on a dockside in Shanghai, China, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, YES YOU DO NEED A VACATION!! If you are receiving 350 spam messages per day you NEED to download and use a spam blocker!! My typical spam load is 1 or 2 per day that get through to my Inbox. You should also have a firewall and a virus checker. Those are all basics for anyone on the net in 2006. Now back to the subject... The Stationary Engine List has a LONG history of involvement in engine rescues. The first major one was the Tod Engine Wrecking Crew. A number of list members got together, donated time, tools, materials, and some money to help save the Tod Engine in Youngstown. There was no personal gain for anyone involved, just a helluva lot of camaraderie, lifelong friendships made, and a wonderful engine saved. There have been other such projects large and small. One memorable event was kicked off by Dave Rotigel. There was a wonderful young man who posted to Harry's SmokStak that he was 14 and was looking to acquire his first stationary engine. He was brutally flamed by a bunch of crusty old farts who were convinced that he was a shill for someone who wanted to steal their precious engines. They probably needed to take vacations too. Dave took a different approach. He called the lad in question, talked to him, determined that he had genuine interest in old engines. Dave then approached the list, explained the situation, and asked if folks would like to contribute to getting this young man his first stationary engine. Many did, Dave bought him a nice Herc, and the rest is history. The young man is a solid collector today, a credit to the hobby, and is still on the list. What Paul and Hazel Evans have accomplished with the Internal Fire Museum in Wales is nothing short of astonishing. Obviously, you have chosen to rant to the list about folks trying to steal from you rather than actually taking a look at the Museum in question. Do me a personal favor, please? Stop reading here, and go have a look. http://www.internalfire.com/ If after checking out the museum, you still feel that I'm in some way trying to "steal from you" when I encourage you to make a contribution to saving a big old stationary engine, please let me know and I'll issue you a public on-list apology. If, on the other hand, you happen to agree with me that the Internal Fire Museum is a pretty amazing place and that the world-wide Stationary Engine List would be better off with that Ruston 11HE Diesel as a running exhibit at the Internal Fire Museum rather than a lump of pig iron in China, would you, in return, commit to making a contribution to help save it? http://www.internalfire.com/donate.php How's that, a fair deal? Oh, and when you book that much needed vacation, consider the British Isles. In addition to the Internal Fire Museum, there's also the Anson Museum http://www.enginemuseum.org/ and many others. There's also one helluva set of engine shows that are worth attending. You can read about a few of them here... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm See ya, Arnie PS - Don't forget to get a spam blocker. That alone might improve your mood. Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero-ah at city-net.com On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > I had hoped that this was an engine group, Everywhere I turn is someone > asking for money its so tiring. 350 spam message yesterday wanting to > steal from me, now more here sorry guess im tired and need a vacation > Roger > > > Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > Ruston 11HE Diesel > > Rescue Appeal > > > > At the New Years Day Crankup in 2005 discussions began regarding a very > > special engine. A Ruston 11HE single cylinder diesel originally installed > > at Taplow Repeater Station near Maidenhead. This is one of 10 made to a > > special specification for the GPO and we think this is the only survivor. > > > > This is a particularly lovely big single and has done very little in the > > way of work. It still has the two direct coupled generators it drove at > > Taplow and will make a superb and complementary exhibit at the museum. > > > > This is a unique opportunity and if you feel able to make a donation you > > can do so through our website or preferably by sending a cheque made > > payable to "Internal Fire - Museum of Power". > > > > Many Thanks > > > > Paul and Hazel > > Tel: 01239 811212 > > Email: paul at semidiesel.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 8 07:18:46 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:18:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? In-Reply-To: <20060307.153038.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060307.153038.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, As Dolly would say, easy peasy. When you log onto PayPal https://www.paypal.com/ and select Send Money, the screen shows several fields. The first is Recipient's Email. To send money to the Internal Fire Museum, use paul at semidiesel.com. Your reciept will show the Internal Fire Museum. You can also access PayPal from the Internal Fire website... http://www.internalfire.com/donate.php The next line says Amount and the line below that says Currency. This is a drop-down pick list that includes Pounds Sterling. To get a rough idea of conversion rates, try this site http://xe.com/ Note that the exact rate that shows up on your receipt from PayPal will include a small bite that PayPal charges. My experience with sending money across the pond is that PayPal is by far the cheapest and easiest way to go about it. Let me know if you have any other questions. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero-ah at city-net.com On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Arnie. I can't find the place to designate pounds sterling? > > Ron Haskell From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Mar 8 07:46:13 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:46:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Price on Ideal vertical engine? Message-ID: <20060308.104702.920.15.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tommy, You can take a look at mine on my Website www.oldengine.org/members/betz under "My first engine & Other toys". Look for the 1912 IDEAL "M". I paid $375 in 1996 - Hope this helps Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Taxes could be worse - suppose we had to pay on what we think we're worth." From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Mar 8 09:13:10 2006 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:13:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? References: <20060307211701.67119.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000601c64231$d4cca550$c1058347@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <003a01c642d3$97443480$ac428347@D6R3D961> Arnie I guess I am about over this stationary engine thing. I will try and unsubscribe for a while It seems there are those who feel it ok to use this as a forum to raise money for their projects. Well I guess thats fine, Im tired of it and will unbind my shorts by unsubscribing for now I find your inference insulting also. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Old Engine" Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? > Hi Roger, > > Your post amazes me on so many levels, I'm hard pressed to decide where to > begin. Let's start with the easy part. Don't get your panties in a > bunch, this IS a Stationary Engine list, this post IS about a rare > stationary engine, that without our help, might end up as a pig iron ingot > on a dockside in Shanghai, China, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, YES YOU DO NEED A > VACATION!! > > If you are receiving 350 spam messages per day you NEED to download and > use a spam blocker!! My typical spam load is 1 or 2 per day that get > through to my Inbox. You should also have a firewall and a virus checker. > Those are all basics for anyone on the net in 2006. > > Now back to the subject... > > The Stationary Engine List has a LONG history of involvement in engine > rescues. The first major one was the Tod Engine Wrecking Crew. A number > of list members got together, donated time, tools, materials, and some > money to help save the Tod Engine in Youngstown. There was no personal > gain for anyone involved, just a helluva lot of camaraderie, lifelong > friendships made, and a wonderful engine saved. > > There have been other such projects large and small. One memorable event > was kicked off by Dave Rotigel. There was a wonderful young man who > posted to Harry's SmokStak that he was 14 and was looking to acquire his > first stationary engine. He was brutally flamed by a bunch of crusty old > farts who were convinced that he was a shill for someone who wanted to > steal their precious engines. They probably needed to take vacations too. > Dave took a different approach. He called the lad in question, talked to > him, determined that he had genuine interest in old engines. Dave then > approached the list, explained the situation, and asked if folks would > like to contribute to getting this young man his first stationary engine. > Many did, Dave bought him a nice Herc, and the rest is history. The young > man is a solid collector today, a credit to the hobby, and is still on the > list. > > What Paul and Hazel Evans have accomplished with the Internal Fire Museum > in Wales is nothing short of astonishing. Obviously, you have chosen to > rant to the list about folks trying to steal from you rather than actually > taking a look at the Museum in question. Do me a personal favor, please? > Stop reading here, and go have a look. > http://www.internalfire.com/ > > If after checking out the museum, you still feel that I'm in some way > trying to "steal from you" when I encourage you to make a > contribution to saving a big old stationary engine, please let me know and > I'll issue you a public on-list apology. > > If, on the other hand, you happen to agree with me that the Internal Fire > Museum is a pretty amazing place and that the world-wide Stationary > Engine List would be better off with that Ruston 11HE Diesel as a > running exhibit at the Internal Fire Museum rather than a lump of pig iron > in China, would you, in return, commit to making a contribution to help > save it? http://www.internalfire.com/donate.php > > How's that, a fair deal? > > Oh, and when you book that much needed vacation, consider the British > Isles. In addition to the Internal Fire Museum, there's also the Anson > Museum http://www.enginemuseum.org/ and many others. There's also one > helluva set of engine shows that are worth attending. You can read about > a few of them here... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Don't forget to get a spam blocker. That alone might improve your > mood. > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero-ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > >> I had hoped that this was an engine group, Everywhere I turn is someone >> asking for money its so tiring. 350 spam message yesterday wanting to >> steal from me, now more here sorry guess im tired and need a vacation > >> Roger >> >> > Arnie Fero wrote: >> > >> > Ruston 11HE Diesel >> > Rescue Appeal >> > >> > At the New Years Day Crankup in 2005 discussions began regarding a very >> > special engine. A Ruston 11HE single cylinder diesel originally >> > installed >> > at Taplow Repeater Station near Maidenhead. This is one of 10 made to a >> > special specification for the GPO and we think this is the only >> > survivor. >> > >> > This is a particularly lovely big single and has done very little in >> > the >> > way of work. It still has the two direct coupled generators it drove at >> > Taplow and will make a superb and complementary exhibit at the museum. >> > >> > This is a unique opportunity and if you feel able to make a donation >> > you >> > can do so through our website or preferably by sending a cheque made >> > payable to "Internal Fire - Museum of Power". >> > >> > Many Thanks >> > >> > Paul and Hazel >> > Tel: 01239 811212 >> > Email: paul at semidiesel.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Mar 8 11:45:45 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:45:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: <003501c642c4$6b93a820$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <003501c642c4$6b93a820$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <440F3469.6040403@scrtc.com> Dave, Sadly, I traded it off. I had thougth about selling it and advertised it for sale. Then I pulled it from the market. But, one of the individuals who saw the ad hounded me for it. I told him I had decided not to sell it and he said he had an item or two to trade. What he offered in trade was something I couldn't say no to so it found a new home. I still have 3 others, two 5's and a 6. One good one, one decent one and one junker! Good job on the pattern work. Tommy >Hi Tommy > >Did you ever sell your 3hp Falk or do you still have it? > > >Dave > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 8 13:19:20 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:19:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? References: <20060307211701.67119.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000601c64231$d4cca550$c1058347@D6R3D961> <003a01c642d3$97443480$ac428347@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <016f01c642f5$fbe57ee0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Huh? Cabin fever has struck again!!! I KNEW it was too good to last! (Sigh) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? > Arnie I guess I am about over this stationary engine thing. I will try and > unsubscribe for a while > It seems there are those who feel it ok to use this as a forum to raise > money for their projects. > Well I guess thats fine, Im tired of it and will unbind my shorts by > unsubscribing for now > I find your inference insulting also. > Roger > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Cc: "Old Engine" > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:01 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? > > >> Hi Roger, >> >> Your post amazes me on so many levels, I'm hard pressed to decide where >> to >> begin. Let's start with the easy part. Don't get your panties in a >> bunch, this IS a Stationary Engine list, this post IS about a rare >> stationary engine, that without our help, might end up as a pig iron >> ingot >> on a dockside in Shanghai, China, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, YES YOU DO NEED A >> VACATION!! >> >> If you are receiving 350 spam messages per day you NEED to download and >> use a spam blocker!! My typical spam load is 1 or 2 per day that get >> through to my Inbox. You should also have a firewall and a virus >> checker. >> Those are all basics for anyone on the net in 2006. >> >> Now back to the subject... >> >> The Stationary Engine List has a LONG history of involvement in engine >> rescues. The first major one was the Tod Engine Wrecking Crew. A number >> of list members got together, donated time, tools, materials, and some >> money to help save the Tod Engine in Youngstown. There was no personal >> gain for anyone involved, just a helluva lot of camaraderie, lifelong >> friendships made, and a wonderful engine saved. >> >> There have been other such projects large and small. One memorable event >> was kicked off by Dave Rotigel. There was a wonderful young man who >> posted to Harry's SmokStak that he was 14 and was looking to acquire his >> first stationary engine. He was brutally flamed by a bunch of crusty old >> farts who were convinced that he was a shill for someone who wanted to >> steal their precious engines. They probably needed to take vacations >> too. >> Dave took a different approach. He called the lad in question, talked to >> him, determined that he had genuine interest in old engines. Dave then >> approached the list, explained the situation, and asked if folks would >> like to contribute to getting this young man his first stationary engine. >> Many did, Dave bought him a nice Herc, and the rest is history. The >> young >> man is a solid collector today, a credit to the hobby, and is still on >> the >> list. >> >> What Paul and Hazel Evans have accomplished with the Internal Fire Museum >> in Wales is nothing short of astonishing. Obviously, you have chosen to >> rant to the list about folks trying to steal from you rather than >> actually >> taking a look at the Museum in question. Do me a personal favor, please? >> Stop reading here, and go have a look. >> http://www.internalfire.com/ >> >> If after checking out the museum, you still feel that I'm in some way >> trying to "steal from you" when I encourage you to make a >> contribution to saving a big old stationary engine, please let me know >> and >> I'll issue you a public on-list apology. >> >> If, on the other hand, you happen to agree with me that the Internal Fire >> Museum is a pretty amazing place and that the world-wide Stationary >> Engine List would be better off with that Ruston 11HE Diesel as a >> running exhibit at the Internal Fire Museum rather than a lump of pig >> iron >> in China, would you, in return, commit to making a contribution to help >> save it? http://www.internalfire.com/donate.php >> >> How's that, a fair deal? >> >> Oh, and when you book that much needed vacation, consider the British >> Isles. In addition to the Internal Fire Museum, there's also the Anson >> Museum http://www.enginemuseum.org/ and many others. There's also one >> helluva set of engine shows that are worth attending. You can read about >> a few of them here... >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> PS - Don't forget to get a spam blocker. That alone might improve your >> mood. >> >> Arnie Fero >> Pittsburgh, PA >> fero-ah at city-net.com >> >> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Roger DiRuscio wrote: >> >>> I had hoped that this was an engine group, Everywhere I turn is someone >>> asking for money its so tiring. 350 spam message yesterday wanting to >>> steal from me, now more here sorry guess im tired and need a vacation >> >>> Roger >>> >>> > Arnie Fero wrote: >>> > >>> > Ruston 11HE Diesel >>> > Rescue Appeal >>> > >>> > At the New Years Day Crankup in 2005 discussions began regarding a >>> > very >>> > special engine. A Ruston 11HE single cylinder diesel originally >>> > installed >>> > at Taplow Repeater Station near Maidenhead. This is one of 10 made to >>> > a >>> > special specification for the GPO and we think this is the only >>> > survivor. >>> > >>> > This is a particularly lovely big single and has done very little in >>> > the >>> > way of work. It still has the two direct coupled generators it drove >>> > at >>> > Taplow and will make a superb and complementary exhibit at the museum. >>> > >>> > This is a unique opportunity and if you feel able to make a donation >>> > you >>> > can do so through our website or preferably by sending a cheque made >>> > payable to "Internal Fire - Museum of Power". >>> > >>> > Many Thanks >>> > >>> > Paul and Hazel >>> > Tel: 01239 811212 >>> > Email: paul at semidiesel.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 8 15:03:23 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:03:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? In-Reply-To: <003a01c642d3$97443480$ac428347@D6R3D961> References: <20060307211701.67119.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000601c64231$d4cca550$c1058347@D6R3D961> <003a01c642d3$97443480$ac428347@D6R3D961> Message-ID: Hiya Roger, On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > Arnie I guess I am about over this stationary engine thing. I will try and > unsubscribe for a while That's obviously a good idea. You might consider therapy while you're at it. You appear to be pretty tightly wound at the moment. Safety first - mind that the door doesn't hit you in the ass as you leave. > It seems there are those who feel it ok to use this as a forum to raise > money for their projects. While you're gone you might look into remedial reading classes at your local high school. You clearly didn't comprehend a single word that I wrote about this project. Paul Evans DID NOT post to the list for fear of winding up wankers such as yourself. I have no involvement in the project beyond finding it inspiring. Having been on the list since its inception, I've enjoyed the good feelings that come from working on other folks projects (like the Tod) and contributing to good engine causes (like Coolspring, Drake Well, Internal Fire, and the Anson). Since I have NO PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER (I put that all in caps in hopes that you might be able to read it) with this project I'm quite happy to promote it to the list. Afterall if folks have a choice of contributing money to save the whales or save a rare engine, I like to think that if they're on THIS LIST they'd choose the latter. So Roger, if you're delayed in unsubscribing, perhaps you'd share what you've done lately to make the hobby a better place? > Well I guess thats fine, Im tired of it and will unbind my shorts by > unsubscribing for now > I find your inference insulting also. Which inference, exactly, did you find insulting? That I inferred that you were a dolt because you couldn't read? Or that I inferred that you wore panties because you had them in a bunch? Or that I inferred that you were an idiot because you read 350 spam messages per day and didn't do anything to correct that problem? Somehow Roger I don't think I'm going to miss you. See ya, Arnie PS - Gee, wasn't that a pointless salutation. He left... Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 15:51:43 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:51:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? O.T. Cabin Fever In-Reply-To: <016f01c642f5$fbe57ee0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <20060308235143.32472.qmail@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Reg, Please don't blame this on Cabin Fever. Out there in sunny KA he ain't got no good reason to suffer from cabin fever. Here after one of the lightest winters that I can think of we finally got snow for the last couple weeks of February and now it is all mush because it is melting so fast. I found it amazing how many folks around here were complaining when it finally did give us some snow that stayed on the ground. What we see below is a very mixed up set of priorities and a stressed response from a person that will not listen to reason. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan R & M Ingold wrote: Huh? Cabin fever has struck again!!! I KNEW it was too good to last! (Sigh) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? > Arnie I guess I am about over this stationary engine thing. I will try and > unsubscribe for a while > It seems there are those who feel it ok to use this as a forum to raise > money for their projects. > Well I guess thats fine, Im tired of it and will unbind my shorts by > unsubscribing for now > I find your inference insulting also. > Roger > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Cc: "Old Engine" > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:01 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? > > >> Hi Roger, >> >> Your post amazes me on so many levels, I'm hard pressed to decide where >> to >> begin. Let's start with the easy part. Don't get your panties in a >> bunch, this IS a Stationary Engine list, this post IS about a rare >> stationary engine, that without our help, might end up as a pig iron >> ingot >> on a dockside in Shanghai, China, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, YES YOU DO NEED A >> VACATION!! >> >> If you are receiving 350 spam messages per day you NEED to download and >> use a spam blocker!! My typical spam load is 1 or 2 per day that get >> through to my Inbox. You should also have a firewall and a virus >> checker. >> Those are all basics for anyone on the net in 2006. >> >> Now back to the subject... >> >> The Stationary Engine List has a LONG history of involvement in engine >> rescues. The first major one was the Tod Engine Wrecking Crew. A number >> of list members got together, donated time, tools, materials, and some >> money to help save the Tod Engine in Youngstown. There was no personal >> gain for anyone involved, just a helluva lot of camaraderie, lifelong >> friendships made, and a wonderful engine saved. >> >> There have been other such projects large and small. One memorable event >> was kicked off by Dave Rotigel. There was a wonderful young man who >> posted to Harry's SmokStak that he was 14 and was looking to acquire his >> first stationary engine. He was brutally flamed by a bunch of crusty old >> farts who were convinced that he was a shill for someone who wanted to >> steal their precious engines. They probably needed to take vacations >> too. >> Dave took a different approach. He called the lad in question, talked to >> him, determined that he had genuine interest in old engines. Dave then >> approached the list, explained the situation, and asked if folks would >> like to contribute to getting this young man his first stationary engine. >> Many did, Dave bought him a nice Herc, and the rest is history. The >> young >> man is a solid collector today, a credit to the hobby, and is still on >> the >> list. >> >> What Paul and Hazel Evans have accomplished with the Internal Fire Museum >> in Wales is nothing short of astonishing. Obviously, you have chosen to >> rant to the list about folks trying to steal from you rather than >> actually >> taking a look at the Museum in question. Do me a personal favor, please? >> Stop reading here, and go have a look. >> http://www.internalfire.com/ >> >> If after checking out the museum, you still feel that I'm in some way >> trying to "steal from you" when I encourage you to make a >> contribution to saving a big old stationary engine, please let me know >> and >> I'll issue you a public on-list apology. >> >> If, on the other hand, you happen to agree with me that the Internal Fire >> Museum is a pretty amazing place and that the world-wide Stationary >> Engine List would be better off with that Ruston 11HE Diesel as a >> running exhibit at the Internal Fire Museum rather than a lump of pig >> iron >> in China, would you, in return, commit to making a contribution to help >> save it? http://www.internalfire.com/donate.php >> >> How's that, a fair deal? >> >> Oh, and when you book that much needed vacation, consider the British >> Isles. In addition to the Internal Fire Museum, there's also the Anson >> Museum http://www.enginemuseum.org/ and many others. There's also one >> helluva set of engine shows that are worth attending. You can read about >> a few of them here... >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> PS - Don't forget to get a spam blocker. That alone might improve your >> mood. >> >> Arnie Fero >> Pittsburgh, PA >> fero-ah at city-net.com >> >> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Roger DiRuscio wrote: >> >>> I had hoped that this was an engine group, Everywhere I turn is someone >>> asking for money its so tiring. 350 spam message yesterday wanting to >>> steal from me, now more here sorry guess im tired and need a vacation >> >>> Roger --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! 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Reg, Please don't blame this on Cabin Fever.

Out there in sunny KA he ain't got no good reason to suffer from cabin fever.

Here after one of the lightest winters that I can think of we finally got snow for the last couple weeks of February and now it is all mush because it is melting so fast. I found it amazing how many folks around here were complaining when it finally did give us some snow that stayed on the ground.

What we see below is a very mixed up set of priorities and a stressed response from a person that will not listen to reason.

Alan Bowen

Williamsburg, Michigan

R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:

Huh? Cabin fever has struck again!!! I KNEW it was too good to last! (Sigh)
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger DiRuscio"
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer?

> Arnie I guess I am about over this stationary engine thing. I will try and
> unsubscribe for a while
> It seems there are those who feel it ok to use this as a forum to raise
> money for their projects.
> Well I guess thats fine, Im tired of it and will unbind my shorts by
> unsubscribing for now
> I find your inference insulting also.
&g t; Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnie Fero"
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> Cc: "Old Engine"
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer?
>
>
>> Hi Roger,
>>
>> Your post amazes me on so many levels, I'm hard pressed to decide where
>> to
>> begin. Let's start with the easy part. Don't get your panties in a
>> bunch, this IS a Stationary Engine list, this post IS about a rare
>> stationary engine, that without our help, might end up as a pig iron
>> ingot
>> on a dockside in Shanghai, China, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, YES YOU DO NEED A
>> VACATION!!
>>
>> If you are receiving 350 spam messages per day you NEED to download and
>> use a spam blocker!! My typical spam load is 1 or 2 per day that get
>> through to my Inbox. You should also have a firewall and a virus
>> checker.
>> Those are all basics for anyone on the net in 2006.
>>
>> Now back to the subject...
>>
>> The Stationary Engine List has a LONG history of involvement in engine
>> rescues. The first major one was the Tod Engine Wrecking Crew. A number
>> of list members got together, donated time, tools, materials, and some
>> money to help save the Tod Engine in Youngstown. There was no personal
>> gain for anyone involved, just a helluva lot of camaraderie, lifelong
>> friendships made, and a wonderful engine saved.
>>
>> There have been other such projects large and small. One memorable event
>> was kicked off by Dave Rotigel. There was a wonderful young man who
>> posted to Harry's SmokStak that he was 14 and was looking to acquire his
>> first stationary engine. He was brutally flamed by a bunch of crusty old
>> farts who were convinced that he was a shill for someone who wanted to
>> steal their precious engines. They probably needed to take vacations
>> too.
>> Dave took a different approach. He called the lad in question, talked to
>> him, determined that he had genuine interest in old engines. Dave then
>> approached the list, explained the situation, and asked if folks would
>> like to contribute to getting this young man his first stationary engine.
>> Many did, Dave bought him a nice Herc, and the rest is history. The
>> young
>> man is a solid collector today, a credit to the hobby, and is still on
>> the
>> list.
>>
>> What Paul and Hazel Evans have accomplished with the Internal Fire Museum
>> in Wales is nothing short of astoni shing. Obviously, you have chosen to
>> rant to the list about folks trying to steal from you rather than
>> actually
>> taking a look at the Museum in question. Do me a personal favor, please?
>> Stop reading here, and go have a look.
>> http://www.internalfire.com/
>>
>> If after checking out the museum, you still feel that I'm in some way
>> trying to "steal from you" when I encourage you to make a
>> contribution to saving a big old stationary engine, please let me know
>> and
>> I'll issue you a public on-list apology.
>>
>> If, on the other hand, you happen to agree with me that the Internal Fire
>> Museum is a pretty amazing place and that the world-wide Stationary
>> Engine List would be better off with that Ruston 11HE Diesel as a
>> running exhibit at the Internal Fire Museum rather than a lump of pig
>> iron
>&g t; in China, would you, in return, commit to making a contribution to help
>> save it? http://www.internalfire.com/donate.php
>>
>> How's that, a fair deal?
>>
>> Oh, and when you book that much needed vacation, consider the British
>> Isles. In addition to the Internal Fire Museum, there's also the Anson
>> Museum http://www.enginemuseum.org/ and many others. There's also one
>> helluva set of engine shows that are worth attending. You can read about
>> a few of them here...
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm
>>
>> See ya, Arnie
>>
>> PS - Don't forget to get a spam blocker. That alone might improve your
>> mood.
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> ; fero-ah at city-net.com
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Roger DiRuscio wrote:
>>
>>> I had hoped that this was an engine group, Everywhere I turn is someone
>>> asking for money its so tiring. 350 spam message yesterday wanting to
>>> steal from me, now more here sorry guess im tired and need a vacation
>>
>>> Roger

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Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 8 16:56:19 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:56:19 EST Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? O.T. Cabin Fever Message-ID: <22f.7b646bc.3140d733@aol.com> In a message dated 3/8/2006 7:15:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes: << Here after one of the lightest winters that I can think >> Alan, This mildest winter on record kinda makes you think there may be something to global warming after all. Here in Virginia we basically haven't had a winter, although to hear some folks talk it still wasn't warm enough for them. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Wed Mar 8 19:19:32 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:19:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060308211738.020bdec8@herculesengines.com> Just sent my case in. Thanks for letting us know about this and giving us the opportunity to help. I hope to get a chance to visit it someday. Keith Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Mar 8 20:00:49 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:00:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Falk piston pattern update In-Reply-To: <440D7FD5.6000004@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001601c6432e$0d5d9030$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi all I posted some pictures of the rocker arm patterns I have been working on. I ordered a tapered end mill with a 5deg taper to generate the required draft. This has worked well; I originally was going to cut them straight and then sand the draft by hand. I quickly realized that wasn't going to work. The tooling holes will be plugged before sending them to the foundry. The proper letters will also be applied. I will try to post some pictures of the finial product be for they go to he foundry. Rick, if you check out the pictures can you tell me if you will be able to cast these loose? If needed I think I can cut them in half in the mill using a very thin jewelers saw, and mount them one a board. Here is the link; http://community.webshots.com/album/548384271MxhLtk Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Mar 8 20:24:57 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:24:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Falk piston pattern update In-Reply-To: <001601c6432e$0d5d9030$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <001601c6432e$0d5d9030$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <440FAE19.6000405@scrtc.com> Dave, Super work! I'm impressed as much with your work area as I am the work. Its cleaner than my kitchen sink. Your patterns look great and I can tell that little Falk is on the way to running. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi all > >I posted some pictures of the rocker arm patterns I have been working on. I >ordered a tapered end mill with a 5deg taper to generate the required draft. >This has worked well; I originally was going to cut them straight and then >sand the draft by hand. I quickly realized that wasn't going to work. The >tooling holes will be plugged before sending them to the foundry. The proper >letters will also be applied. I will try to post some pictures of the finial >product be for they go to he foundry. > >Rick, if you check out the pictures can you tell me if you will be able to >cast these loose? If needed I think I can cut them in half in the mill using >a very thin jewelers saw, and mount them one a board. > >Here is the link; http://community.webshots.com/album/548384271MxhLtk > >Dave > >Dave Otto >Boise, Idaho >USA >dotto at velocitus.net >http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > > > From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu Mar 9 03:28:54 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:28:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Falk piston pattern update References: <001601c6432e$0d5d9030$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <026c01c6436c$a6642df0$bd161941@pengy> Dave, Mounting them on boards would make things a bit easier on me. I have a couple of small flask sizes and I'll give you the dimenstions to make the board. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Otto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Falk piston pattern update > Hi all > > I posted some pictures of the rocker arm patterns I have been working on. > I > ordered a tapered end mill with a 5deg taper to generate the required > draft. > This has worked well; I originally was going to cut them straight and then > sand the draft by hand. I quickly realized that wasn't going to work. The > tooling holes will be plugged before sending them to the foundry. The > proper > letters will also be applied. I will try to post some pictures of the > finial > product be for they go to he foundry. > > Rick, if you check out the pictures can you tell me if you will be able to > cast these loose? If needed I think I can cut them in half in the mill > using > a very thin jewelers saw, and mount them one a board. > > Here is the link; http://community.webshots.com/album/548384271MxhLtk > > Dave > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > USA > dotto at velocitus.net > http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Mar 9 11:21:58 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:21:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? O.T. Cabin Fever In-Reply-To: <20060308235143.32472.qmail@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wow, Now I've got cabin fever so bad I think I'm going to: 1. Drink a case of beer and , 2. Send money to save the engine! Then I'm going to find a pair of panties and try and get them in a wad! Ohhhhhh. I can't wait till spring! Steve >From: Alan Bowen >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? O.T. Cabin >Fever >Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:51:43 -0800 (PST) > >Reg, Please don't blame this on Cabin Fever. > > Out there in sunny KA he ain't got no good reason to suffer from cabin >fever. > Here after one of the lightest winters that I can think of we finally >got snow for the last couple weeks of February and now it is all mush >because it is melting so fast. I found it amazing how many folks around >here were complaining when it finally did give us some snow that stayed on >the ground. > > What we see below is a very mixed up set of priorities and a stressed >response from a person that will not listen to reason. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > >R & M Ingold wrote: > Huh? Cabin fever has struck again!!! I KNEW it was too good to last! >(Sigh) >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roger DiRuscio" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:13 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? > > > > Arnie I guess I am about over this stationary engine thing. I will try >and > > unsubscribe for a while > > It seems there are those who feel it ok to use this as a forum to raise > > money for their projects. > > Well I guess thats fine, Im tired of it and will unbind my shorts by > > unsubscribing for now > > I find your inference insulting also. > > Roger > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Cc: "Old Engine" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? > > > > > >> Hi Roger, > >> > >> Your post amazes me on so many levels, I'm hard pressed to decide where > >> to > >> begin. Let's start with the easy part. Don't get your panties in a > >> bunch, this IS a Stationary Engine list, this post IS about a rare > >> stationary engine, that without our help, might end up as a pig iron > >> ingot > >> on a dockside in Shanghai, China, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, YES YOU DO NEED >A > >> VACATION!! > >> > >> If you are receiving 350 spam messages per day you NEED to download and > >> use a spam blocker!! My typical spam load is 1 or 2 per day that get > >> through to my Inbox. You should also have a firewall and a virus > >> checker. > >> Those are all basics for anyone on the net in 2006. > >> > >> Now back to the subject... > >> > >> The Stationary Engine List has a LONG history of involvement in engine > >> rescues. The first major one was the Tod Engine Wrecking Crew. A number > >> of list members got together, donated time, tools, materials, and some > >> money to help save the Tod Engine in Youngstown. There was no personal > >> gain for anyone involved, just a helluva lot of camaraderie, lifelong > >> friendships made, and a wonderful engine saved. > >> > >> There have been other such projects large and small. One memorable >event > >> was kicked off by Dave Rotigel. There was a wonderful young man who > >> posted to Harry's SmokStak that he was 14 and was looking to acquire >his > >> first stationary engine. He was brutally flamed by a bunch of crusty >old > >> farts who were convinced that he was a shill for someone who wanted to > >> steal their precious engines. They probably needed to take vacations > >> too. > >> Dave took a different approach. He called the lad in question, talked >to > >> him, determined that he had genuine interest in old engines. Dave then > >> approached the list, explained the situation, and asked if folks would > >> like to contribute to getting this young man his first stationary >engine. > >> Many did, Dave bought him a nice Herc, and the rest is history. The > >> young > >> man is a solid collector today, a credit to the hobby, and is still on > >> the > >> list. > >> > >> What Paul and Hazel Evans have accomplished with the Internal Fire >Museum > >> in Wales is nothing short of astonishing. Obviously, you have chosen to > >> rant to the list about folks trying to steal from you rather than > >> actually > >> taking a look at the Museum in question. Do me a personal favor, >please? > >> Stop reading here, and go have a look. > >> http://www.internalfire.com/ > >> > >> If after checking out the museum, you still feel that I'm in some way > >> trying to "steal from you" when I encourage you to make a > >> contribution to saving a big old stationary engine, please let me know > >> and > >> I'll issue you a public on-list apology. > >> > >> If, on the other hand, you happen to agree with me that the Internal >Fire > >> Museum is a pretty amazing place and that the world-wide Stationary > >> Engine List would be better off with that Ruston 11HE Diesel as a > >> running exhibit at the Internal Fire Museum rather than a lump of pig > >> iron > >> in China, would you, in return, commit to making a contribution to help > >> save it? http://www.internalfire.com/donate.php > >> > >> How's that, a fair deal? > >> > >> Oh, and when you book that much needed vacation, consider the British > >> Isles. In addition to the Internal Fire Museum, there's also the Anson > >> Museum http://www.enginemuseum.org/ and many others. There's also one > >> helluva set of engine shows that are worth attending. You can read >about > >> a few of them here... > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >> > >> PS - Don't forget to get a spam blocker. That alone might improve your > >> mood. > >> > >> Arnie Fero > >> Pittsburgh, PA > >> fero-ah at city-net.com > >> > >> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > >> > >>> I had hoped that this was an engine group, Everywhere I turn is >someone > >>> asking for money its so tiring. 350 spam message yesterday wanting to > >>> steal from me, now more here sorry guess im tired and need a vacation > >> > >>> Roger > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Mail >Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Mail >Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. >--0-1659284707-1141861903=:26498 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >

Reg, Please don't blame this on Cabin Fever.

Out there in >sunny KA he ain't got no good reason to suffer from cabin >fever.

Here after one of the lightest >winters that I can think of we finally got snow for the last couple >weeks of February and now it is all mush because it is melting >so fast. I found it amazing how many folks around here were >complaining when it finally did give us some snow that stayed on the >ground.

size=3>What we see below is a very mixed up set of priorities and a >stressed response from a person that will not listen to >reason.

size=3>Alan Bowen

Williamsburg, >Michigan

R & M Ingold ><randmingold at hotkey.net.au> > > wrote:

Huh? Cabin fever has >struck again!!! I KNEW it was too good to last! (Sigh)
Reg & Marg >Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, >Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- >Original Message -----
From: "Roger DiRuscio" >
To: "The SEL email discussion list" >
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:13 >AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good >Beer?

> Arnie I guess I am about over this stationary engine >thing. I will try and
> unsubscribe for a while
> It seems >there are those who feel it ok to use this as a forum to raise
> >money for their projects.
> Well I guess thats fine, Im tired of it >and will unbind my shorts by
> unsubscribing for now
> I find >your inference insulting also.
&g > t; > Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnie >Fero"
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >
> Cc: "Old Engine" >
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 >7:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good >Beer?
>
>
>> Hi Roger,
>>
>> Your >post amazes me on so many levels, I'm hard pressed to decide where >
>> to
>> begin. Let's start with the easy part. Don't >get your panties in a
>> bunch, this IS a Stationary Engine list, >this post IS about a rare
>> stationary engine, that without our >help, might end up as a pig iron
>> ingot
>> on a >dockside in Shanghai, China, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, YES YOU DO NEED >A
>> VACATION!!
>>
>> If you are receiving 350 >spam messages per day you NEED to download and
>> use a > spam > blocker!! My typical spam load is 1 or 2 per day that get
>> >through to my Inbox. You should also have a firewall and a virus >
>> checker.
>> Those are all basics for anyone on the >net in 2006.
>>
>> Now back to the >subject...
>>
>> The Stationary Engine List has a LONG >history of involvement in engine
>> rescues. The first major one >was the Tod Engine Wrecking Crew. A number
>> of list members got >together, donated time, tools, materials, and some
>> money to >help save the Tod Engine in Youngstown. There was no personal
>> >gain for anyone involved, just a helluva lot of camaraderie, >lifelong
>> friendships made, and a wonderful engine >saved.
>>
>> There have been other such projects large >and small. One memorable event
>> was kicked off by Dave Rotigel. >There was a wonderful young man who
>> posted to Harry's SmokStak >that he was 14 > and was > looking to acquire his
>> first stationary engine. He was >brutally flamed by a bunch of crusty old
>> farts who were >convinced that he was a shill for someone who wanted to
>> steal >their precious engines. They probably needed to take vacations
>> >too.
>> Dave took a different approach. He called the lad in >question, talked to
>> him, determined that he had genuine >interest in old engines. Dave then
>> approached the list, >explained the situation, and asked if folks would
>> like to >contribute to getting this young man his first stationary >engine.
>> Many did, Dave bought him a nice Herc, and the rest is >history. The
>> young
>> man is a solid collector today, >a credit to the hobby, and is still on
>> the
>> >list.
>>
>> What Paul and Hazel Evans have accomplished >with the Internal Fire Museum
>> in Wales is nothing short of >astoni > shing. > Obviously, you have chosen to
>> rant to the list about folks >trying to steal from you rather than
>> actually
>> >taking a look at the Museum in question. Do me a personal favor, >please?
>> Stop reading here, and go have a look.
>> >http://www.internalfire.com/
>>
>> If after checking out >the museum, you still feel that I'm in some way
>> trying to >"steal from you" when I encourage you to make a
>> contribution to >saving a big old stationary engine, please let me know
>> >and
>> I'll issue you a public on-list >apology.
>>
>> If, on the other hand, you happen to agree >with me that the Internal Fire
>> Museum is a pretty amazing place >and that the world-wide Stationary
>> Engine List would be better >off with that Ruston 11HE Diesel as a
>> running exhibit at the >Internal Fire Museum rather than a lump of pig
>> iron
>&g > t; in > China, would you, in return, commit to making a contribution to >help
>> save it? >http://www.internalfire.com/donate.php
>>
>> How's that, >a fair deal?
>>
>> Oh, and when you book that much needed >vacation, consider the British
>> Isles. In addition to the >Internal Fire Museum, there's also the Anson
>> Museum >http://www.enginemuseum.org/ and many others. There's also one
>> >helluva set of engine shows that are worth attending. You can read >about
>> a few of them here...
>> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm
>> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm
>> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm
>>
>> >See ya, Arnie
>>
>> PS - Don't forget to get a spam >blocker. That alone might improve your
>> >mood.
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, >PA
>> > ; > fero-ah at city-net.com
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Roger >DiRuscio wrote:
>>
>>> I had hoped that this was an >engine group, Everywhere I turn is someone
>>> asking for money >its so tiring. 350 spam message yesterday wanting to
>>> steal >from me, now more here sorry guess im tired and need a >vacation
>>
>>> Roger

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>Bring photos to life! href="http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39174/*http://photomail.mail.yahoo.com">New >PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Mar 9 10:58:33 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:58:33 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? In-Reply-To: <200603091700.k29H04gn032565@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060309205007.00b1e668@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Is a Rare Engine Worth a Case of Good Beer? >To: The SEL email discussion list Hi Arnie, Thanks for the "off list" help in setting up PayPal. I just sent 2 cases of the "worlds best beer". I realise this is not a lot of money in their currency but hope it helps. I think it is great that you brought this to the lists attention. Paul has a great site and does a lot for the hobby - for one thing - who else has so many manuals available for download? To the list: Regarding this thread - it's getting quite long: REMEMBER - Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 9 11:50:05 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:50:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Good Beer, Thongs, & Cabin Fever (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DAMN, those Cloistered Oysters are something! Steve, I totally agree with Part 1 & 2 of your plan. As to the panties, may I suggest a thong instead and putting it on your head is usually more interesting than just wadding it up. 8->> See ya, Arnie On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Steve Royster wrote: > Wow, Now I've got cabin fever so bad I think I'm going to: 1. Drink a > case of beer and , 2. Send money to save the engine! Then I'm going to > find a pair of panties and try and get them in a wad! Ohhhhhh. I can't > wait till spring! Steve From old_iron at msn.com Thu Mar 9 19:16:57 2006 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:16:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay seller/Kinda Long/what a crock Message-ID: I won an item back on February 16th that was listed by a new franchise called "i SOLD it". BE VERY VERY CAREFUL if you bid on anything from this group. I paid for the item using PayPal within 1 hour of the auction ending. I went through their "check out" procedure, and sat back to await my items arrival. After receiving several things I had won after this item, I went back and asked the seller when I could expect to receive this item. After 2 days I get an email saying that I had chosen to pick up the item locally when I checked out (Item is located in Palm Harbor, Florida)!! As most of you know I am a little more than your average computer user, so I know I did NOT agree to this. My receipt I printed from PayPal said $14.95 for the item and $5.00 shipping (this is for a t-shirt and baseball cap) so $5.00 is reasonable. The seller then tells me I owe $8.00 for shipping, I go to PayPal and try to send the additional amount, only to get a message that the only way I can send this account funds is to go through their website "check out". I contact the seller again, and today he sends me an email saying that I really own $8.00 since the $5.00 I originally paid is for "Handling" but that he will give me a break and reduce the $8.00 to six and gives me an email address to use with PayPal. I again try to send this jerk his money and get the same message!! I really think $13.00 for "shipping & handling" for a T-shirt and baseball cap is a little over the top! This jerk is not getting any feed back from me anytime soon. Just thought I would share, since I know a lot of you buy on Ebay. Very frustrated! Peg Pfeiffer From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 9 19:42:20 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:42:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay seller/Kinda Long/what a crock References: Message-ID: I'd bang him with negative, Peg!!! Rick > > BE VERY VERY CAREFUL if you bid on anything from this group. > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Mar 9 21:02:36 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:02:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay seller/Kinda Long/what a crock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006701c643ff$dacb5d00$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Hi Peg, Rick is right: gig 'em with a negative. Also, if you can locate the hoops you need to jump through, notify PayPal that you want your money back. Hopefully they'll oblige. Tip for future deals: Never debit the money from your account. ALWAYS use your credit card. Your credit card company will back you up when PayPal will leave you twisting in the wind. Good luck, Rob From ELIDAS at aol.com Fri Mar 10 04:04:03 2006 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:04:03 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: Jaeger mixer (OT) Message-ID: <1a9.48b9f0d0.3142c533@aol.com> I have a thirties Jaeger cement mixer that my Stover KE came off of. I want to use the mixer for some footings and things in the next couple of weeks. Its been sitting for many years but seems to be in pretty good shape. I need to know how to lubricate the barrel. Mike Semanoff -------------------------------1141992243 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a thirties Jaeger cement mixer that my Stover KE came off=20 of. I want to use the mixer for some footings and things in the next=20 couple of weeks. Its been sitting for many years but seems to be in pretty g= ood=20 shape. I need to know how to lubricate the barrel.

Mike Semanoff

From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Mar 10 06:55:18 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:55:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Jaeger mixer (OT) Message-ID: <031020061455.2932.441193560006105600000B74219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Mike, Got one of those mixers out back and mine had 3hp Fuller & Johnson "N" mounted on her. If I remember right mine has some grease cups on bearing caps with large wheel like bearings which the drum rolls around over. Will be glad to take a peek later and take a few pics if you need. Do you have a pic of yours to see if they are alike? regards, Curt Andree McConnell, Ill. Stover Registry > I have a thirties Jaeger cement mixer that my Stover KE came off of. I want > to use the mixer for some footings and things in the next couple of weeks. > Its been sitting for many years but seems to be in pretty good shape. I need > to know how to lubricate the barrel. > Mike Semanoff > > -------------------------------1141992243 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > Arial"=20 > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> e_document=20 > face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> >

I have a thirties Jaeger cement mixer that my Stover KE came off=20 > of. I want to use the mixer for some footings and things in the next=20 > couple of weeks. Its been sitting for many years but seems to be in pretty g= > ood=20 > shape. I need to know how to lubricate the barrel.

Mike Semanoff

> _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Mar 10 13:17:43 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:17:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: <001501c64266$5f1e5a80$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Thanks for all the replies to my lathe tooling questions recently. I'll let you know how the project turns out. This ia a great group even with cabin fever! Thanks Steve >From: "Dave Otto" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. >Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:11:26 -0700 > >Hi Steve > >I have been using carbide insert tooling on the lathe. I have some uncoated >inserts designed for nonferrous metals; they work real nice on wood. On the >mill I have just been using good sharp HSS end mills. > >Both one the lathe and mill I keep the vacuum hose near the cutter at all >times, this gets 80 to 90% of the shavings and dust. > >Dave > > > >Dave Otto >Boise, Idaho >USA >dotto at velocitus.net >http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster > > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:19 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Falk piston core box and pattern update. > > > > A question for you patternmakers who are using your metal lathe for wood > > turning. What type of tooling are you using, tool steel or carbide in a > > tool holder, or wood turning chisels on a rest? Thanks, Steve > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ottawa at pa.net Fri Mar 10 13:56:15 2006 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:56:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay seller/Kinda Long/what a crock References: Message-ID: <592301c6448d$74a92f00$b6763b42@HONDESKTOP> Peg, My experience was with an "i Sold it" in WY. I paid $9.95 for some paper which could have been shipped first class for 39 cents but I was charges $10.82 shipping and handling. This seller is really ripping off customers for shipping. Item was shipped priority mail which would have cost $4.05. Remember for priority mail the US post office provides the package etc. I didn't receive the package for over a week after payment. The person in charge was not available to reply to my questions was the response I received. I have to be truthful there was a shipping calculator but never did I think that there wouldn't be a sensible shipping charge on the item. My feedback was neutral because I didn't want to receive negative back. But I will never buy from another "i Sold it". Leaving complete message intact intentionally! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: William J Pfeiffer Sr To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ebay seller/Kinda Long/what a crock I won an item back on February 16th that was listed by a new franchise called "i SOLD it". BE VERY VERY CAREFUL if you bid on anything from this group. I paid for the item using PayPal within 1 hour of the auction ending. I went through their "check out" procedure, and sat back to await my items arrival. After receiving several things I had won after this item, I went back and asked the seller when I could expect to receive this item. After 2 days I get an email saying that I had chosen to pick up the item locally when I checked out (Item is located in Palm Harbor, Florida)!! As most of you know I am a little more than your average computer user, so I know I did NOT agree to this. My receipt I printed from PayPal said $14.95 for the item and $5.00 shipping (this is for a t-shirt and baseball cap) so $5.00 is reasonable. The seller then tells me I owe $8.00 for shipping, I go to PayPal and try to send the additional amount, only to get a message that the only way I can send this account funds is to go through their website "check out". I contact the seller again, and today he sends me an email saying that I really own $8.00 since the $5.00 I originally paid is for "Handling" but that he will give me a break and reduce the $8.00 to six and gives me an email address to use with PayPal. I again try to send this jerk his money and get the same message!! I really think $13.00 for "shipping & handling" for a T-shirt and baseball cap is a little over the top! This jerk is not getting any feed back from me anytime soon. Just thought I would share, since I know a lot of you buy on Ebay. Very frustrated! Peg Pfeiffer From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 11 08:00:06 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:00:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay seller/Kinda Long/what a crock References: Message-ID: <005201c64524$de181fe0$240110ac@PAUL2> Peg, sorry to see that you got ripped off. So far I have been burned twice on E-bay but all in all the people are great. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ebay seller/Kinda Long/what a crock >I won an item back on February 16th that was listed by a new franchise >called "i SOLD it". > > BE VERY VERY CAREFUL if you bid on anything from this group. > > I paid for the item using PayPal within 1 hour of the auction ending. > > I went through their "check out" procedure, and sat back to await my items From ottawa at pa.net Sat Mar 11 10:35:32 2006 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:35:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay seller/Kinda Long/what a crock References: <592301c6448d$74a92f00$b6763b42@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <5a5c01c6453a$a1818ec0$b6763b42@HONDESKTOP> My goof it was WI not WY!....Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: George/Helen Myers To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ebay seller/Kinda Long/what a crock Peg, My experience was with an "i Sold it" in WY. I paid $9.95 for some paper which could have been shipped first class for 39 cents but I was charges $10.82 shipping and handling. This seller is really ripping off customers for shipping. Item was shipped priority mail which would have cost $4.05. Remember for priority mail the US post office provides the package etc. I didn't receive the package for over a week after payment. The person in charge was not available to reply to my questions was the response I received. I have to be truthful there was a shipping calculator but never did I think that there wouldn't be a sensible shipping charge on the item. My feedback was neutral because I didn't want to receive negative back. But I will never buy from another "i Sold it". Leaving complete message intact intentionally! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: William J Pfeiffer Sr To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ebay seller/Kinda Long/what a crock I won an item back on February 16th that was listed by a new franchise called "i SOLD it". BE VERY VERY CAREFUL if you bid on anything from this group. I paid for the item using PayPal within 1 hour of the auction ending. I went through their "check out" procedure, and sat back to await my items arrival. After receiving several things I had won after this item, I went back and asked the seller when I could expect to receive this item. After 2 days I get an email saying that I had chosen to pick up the item locally when I checked out (Item is located in Palm Harbor, Florida)!! As most of you know I am a little more than your average computer user, so I know I did NOT agree to this. My receipt I printed from PayPal said $14.95 for the item and $5.00 shipping (this is for a t-shirt and baseball cap) so $5.00 is reasonable. The seller then tells me I owe $8.00 for shipping, I go to PayPal and try to send the additional amount, only to get a message that the only way I can send this account funds is to go through their website "check out". I contact the seller again, and today he sends me an email saying that I really own $8.00 since the $5.00 I originally paid is for "Handling" but that he will give me a break and reduce the $8.00 to six and gives me an email address to use with PayPal. I again try to send this jerk his money and get the same message!! I really think $13.00 for "shipping & handling" for a T-shirt and baseball cap is a little over the top! This jerk is not getting any feed back from me anytime soon. Just thought I would share, since I know a lot of you buy on Ebay. Very frustrated! Peg Pfeiffer _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Mar 11 17:36:11 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:36:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine recovered Message-ID: <20060312013602.LTCK19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> We went for a little drive yesterday to recover another engine from the wilds. I drove 1200km and was away from home for 17 hours to bring home Ron's new toy, an 11hp Austral Oil Engine. The engine has been partially dismantled and all the brass stolen for scrap. We took both of our Nissans and both trailers as it is a substantial engine and just a little too big for one trailer. We used the ramps and winch to load the large transport wheels and the massive flywheels into my trailer and used Ron's little crane to load the engine itself and the front axle/turntable assembly into Ron's trailer. The engine itself without the flywheels is almost 8 foot long! The major bits missing are the transport rails, one axle, and all the bearings. Any one got any parts for an 11hp Austral? It was a long day but very successful :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Mar 11 20:27:08 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:27:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine recovered In-Reply-To: <20060312013602.LTCK19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060312152341.00be3960@mail.ncable.com.au> Hi Patrick, that man Ronald Sulivan is a very very sick man and the last thing that he needs is help to source and further deepen this dreadfull and uncureable attachment to junk! by the way they run reeeeeaaal bloody nice them 11horse ronnies! cheers, Russ At 12:36 PM 12/03/2006 +1100, you wrote: >We went for a little drive yesterday to recover another engine from the >wilds. I drove 1200km and was away from home for 17 hours to bring home >Ron's new toy, an 11hp Austral Oil Engine. >The engine has been partially dismantled and all the brass stolen for scrap. >We took both of our Nissans and both trailers as it is a substantial engine >and just a little too big for one trailer. We used the ramps and winch to >load the large transport wheels and the massive flywheels into my trailer >and used Ron's little crane to load the engine itself and the front >axle/turntable assembly into Ron's trailer. The engine itself without the >flywheels is almost 8 foot long! >The major bits missing are the transport rails, one axle, and all the >bearings. Any one got any parts for an 11hp Austral? >It was a long day but very successful :) >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 12 10:13:34 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:13:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, While at the Zolfo Show a week or so ago I picked up a nice old tap and die set made by Wiley & Russell (Greenfield, Mass.) (It's got to be rather old because the 1/2 " die indicated 12 threads per inch!) The set goes from 1/4" to 3/4" and each die (while removable) has it's own handle! The set is in a nice old wooden box measuring 37 1/4" X 10 3/4" X 3". Now my question. Each die has 1/32 stamped (or perhaps engraved) into it. What does this 1/32 stand for/mean? Any help on this will be appreciated! Dave From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Mar 12 11:15:53 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:15:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT Message-ID: <410-220063012191553875@coastalnet.com> Dave, I don't have any info on this company other than what is found on the OWWM site saying it was founded in 1872 and was bought by Greenfield Tap and Die in 1916. http://www.owwm.com/MfgIndex/detail.asp?ID=1376 For more info, I bet you could get your questions answered at the link provided to the Museum of Our Industrial Heritage. http://www.industrialhistory.org/ Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Dave Rotigel > Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > Now my question. Each die has 1/32 stamped (or perhaps engraved) into it. > What does this 1/32 stand for/mean? Any help on this will be appreciated! > Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 12 12:21:21 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:21:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Lock-Up Garages & Big Cats In-Reply-To: <6f6025160603120842n40541904v169b888820332fcb@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160603120842n40541904v169b888820332fcb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > The Cat engines are pure research tools, single cylinder and about > 20bhp. Bore > 5.125" and stroke 6.5", about 2.2 litres! The flywheels were off > which was a > mercy as they went about 4cwt each and were loaded into the back of > the van > separately, toegther with a set of machined and fitted bolts. I've seen one of those Caterpillar oil test engines at Portland. Sweet! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From svsuzanne at copper.net Sun Mar 12 12:35:45 2006 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:35:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000d01c64614$8c2e90b0$37a40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> It could be that 1/32 is the identification mark of the owner (machinist). It was quite common to mark your tools, especially valuable ones. That was back when the craftsman owned his own tools instead of the shop furnishing them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > > Hi All, > While at the Zolfo Show a week or so ago I picked up a nice old tap and > die set made by Wiley & Russell (Greenfield, Mass.) (It's got to be rather > old because the 1/2 " die indicated 12 threads per inch!) The set goes > from 1/4" to 3/4" and each die (while removable) has it's own handle! The > set is in a nice old wooden box measuring 37 1/4" X 10 3/4" X 3". > Now my question. Each die has 1/32 stamped (or perhaps engraved) into it. > What does this 1/32 stand for/mean? Any help on this will be appreciated! > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/2006 > From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Mar 12 12:51:14 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:51:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT Message-ID: <410-220063012205114203@coastalnet.com> I think the 1/32 has something to do with the specs of the taps and dies. There is a set described here: http://www.goantiques.com/detail,wiley-russell-tap,405777.html with the 1/32 markings. Ken > [Original Message] > From: > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/12/2006 3:35:46 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > > It could be that 1/32 is the identification mark of the owner (machinist). > It was quite common to mark your tools, especially valuable ones. That was > back when the craftsman owned his own tools instead of the shop furnishing > them. From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 12 13:41:22 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:41:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312155642.025fac50@mail.alltel.net> Hi Arnie, I just looked at the taps carefully and all of them (except the 1/2" X 12--which is marked GTD and not Wiley & Russell) have 1/32 stamped on them as well. I just measured the Wiley and Russell taps ( 3/4', 5/8", and 7/16") and found them to be between .025" and .031' OVERSIZE. 1/32" equates to .03125". That would seem to mean that the whole set (dies and taps) are 1/32 oversize. The question would now seem to be "Why would anyone want a set that is 1/32 oversize?" Dave PS, The 1/32 is NOT an owners mark nor does it indicate 1 out of 32. I'm sure it indicates 1/32 oversize--the question is WHY? PPS, "Fig 222" is stamped in black in on the front of the wooden box. At 02:18 PM 3/12/2006, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >Mebbie a S/N to keep the pieces from a number of sets together with their >mates? This set is #1 out of 32 ? Is the marking on or in the box >anywhere? And no marks on the taps or handles, just the dies? Strange... > >See ya, Arnie > >On Sun, 12 Mar 2006, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > While at the Zolfo Show a week or so ago I picked up a nice old > tap and > > die set made by Wiley & Russell (Greenfield, Mass.) (It's got to be rather > > old because the 1/2 " die indicated 12 threads per inch!) The set goes from > > 1/4" to 3/4" and each die (while removable) has it's own handle! The set is > > in a nice old wooden box measuring 37 1/4" X 10 3/4" X 3". > > Now my question. Each die has 1/32 stamped (or perhaps engraved) > into it. > > What does this 1/32 stand for/mean? Any help on this will be appreciated! From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 12 12:56:39 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:56:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: <410-220063012205114203@coastalnet.com> References: <410-220063012205114203@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: Hey Ken, I'll bet you're onto something there. Maybe the class of fit for the thread produced by the dies? It would probably be described in an OLD Machinery's Handbook back in the threads section. See ya, Arnie On Sun, 12 Mar 2006, Ken Christison wrote: > I think the 1/32 has something to do with the specs of the taps and dies. > There is a set described here: > http://www.goantiques.com/detail,wiley-russell-tap,405777.html > with the 1/32 markings. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 12 14:02:05 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:02:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312155642.025fac50@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060312155642.025fac50@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <44149A5D.7050600@scrtc.com> Dave, Thats probably what the 500 other folks that looked at them at Zolfo thought. Luckily, the seller found a buyer! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > > The question would now seem to be "Why would anyone want a set > that is 1/32 oversize?" > Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 12 14:18:18 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:18:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312155642.025fac50@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003b01c64622$debabc10$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > The question would now seem to be "Why would anyone > want a set that is 1/32 oversize?" Plating... heat treating... materials that "spring back" like nylon. You might want to check the pitch to see if it is spot on or if it's oversize, as well. Rob From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Sun Mar 12 14:27:52 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:57:52 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT References: <410-220063012205114203@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <001e01c64624$34922dc0$bac98890@chaos> I have a set of 5 Wiley & Russell, 3/8" - 1" that are marked whitworth RHP. right hand pipe ? no 1/32" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT >I think the 1/32 has something to do with the specs of the taps and dies. > There is a > set described here: > http://www.goantiques.com/detail,wiley-russell-tap,405777.html > with the 1/32 markings. > > Ken > > >> [Original Message] >> From: >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 3/12/2006 3:35:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT >> >> It could be that 1/32 is the identification mark of the owner > (machinist). >> It was quite common to mark your tools, especially valuable ones. That > was >> back when the craftsman owned his own tools instead of the shop > furnishing >> them. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Mar 12 14:45:05 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:45:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312155642.025fac50@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060312155642.025fac50@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4414A471.9070107@steamengine.com.au> When restoring a block the threaded holes for the studs were eaten away. It was a bit beyond my skills so I took it to a friend machinist who drilled them out with the same size bit but "oversize" then tapped them with the same size tap (yep you guessed it "oversize") then made me new studs on his lathe with one end to suit the threaded holes and the other end to suit the nuts (which were still in good nick) from the original wasted studs. Want me to ask him if that is the real use for "oversize" or if they were just convenient and have some other purpose? The only other possibility I can think of is tapping a mould for a casting since castings shrink - but I cannot for the life of me think of why you would do that because the threads would be rough and unusable in the final casting. Regards Paul Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Arnie, > I just looked at the taps carefully and all of them (except the > 1/2" X 12--which is marked GTD and not Wiley & Russell) have 1/32 > stamped on them as well. I just measured the Wiley and Russell taps ( > 3/4', 5/8", and 7/16") and found them to be between .025" and .031' > OVERSIZE. 1/32" equates to .03125". That would seem to mean that the > whole set (dies and taps) are 1/32 oversize. > The question would now seem to be "Why would anyone want a set > that is 1/32 oversize?" > Dave -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Sun Mar 12 14:53:20 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:23:20 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000601c64627$eeb3afa0$bac98890@chaos> Undersize or oversize taps will be marked with the nominal size and pitch, followed by the amount the minimum pitch diameter is over or under basic. For example, 1/2-13+.010". More here > http://www.unionbutterfield.com/tech/taps/Limits.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:43 AM Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > Hi All, > While at the Zolfo Show a week or so ago I picked up a nice old tap and > die set made by Wiley & Russell (Greenfield, Mass.) (It's got to be rather > old because the 1/2 " die indicated 12 threads per inch!) The set goes > from 1/4" to 3/4" and each die (while removable) has it's own handle! The > set is in a nice old wooden box measuring 37 1/4" X 10 3/4" X 3". > Now my question. Each die has 1/32 stamped (or perhaps engraved) into it. > What does this 1/32 stand for/mean? Any help on this will be appreciated! > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Mar 12 15:01:49 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:01:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060312155642.025fac50@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <01b001c64628$f1e85850$31436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Dave, I did quite a bit of poking around in the 15th edition of Machinery's Handbook and was not able to find any reference that would account for standard threads that are 1/32 oversize. It wasn't a complete blank though as I found that 1/2-12 is still a standard size. It is no longer part of the standard commonly used for ordinary American nuts and bolts which is the UNC or Unified National Coarse threads. If you go way back, this series was known as USS or United States Standard threads. You can still see this designation and it's companion, SAE in auto parts stores although neither standard has existed for well over 60 years. !2 thread is a standard that was used, and maybe still is, for things like packing glands and valve seats which are threaded 12 threads per inch without regard to diameter. 1/2-12 would probably not be used for this kind of application but the standard exists, or did in 1957. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT Hi Arnie, I just looked at the taps carefully and all of them (except the 1/2" X 12--which is marked GTD and not Wiley & Russell) have 1/32 stamped on them as well. I just measured the Wiley and Russell taps ( 3/4', 5/8", and 7/16") and found them to be between .025" and .031' OVERSIZE. 1/32" equates to .03125". That would seem to mean that the whole set (dies and taps) are 1/32 oversize. The question would now seem to be "Why would anyone want a set that is 1/32 oversize?" Dave PS, The 1/32 is NOT an owners mark nor does it indicate 1 out of 32. I'm sure it indicates 1/32 oversize--the question is WHY? PPS, "Fig 222" is stamped in black in on the front of the wooden box. From oldironnut at alltel.net Sun Mar 12 15:32:19 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:32:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig In-Reply-To: <005201c64524$de181fe0$240110ac@PAUL2> References: <005201c64524$de181fe0$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: Howdy all, We had a GREAT engine weekend. Most of the restoration of the buzz saw cart is complete so it was time to mount the 1907 4 hp Famous on the cart. The engine was on a sub base so we removed it from that, placed it on some blocks to get things measured out like we wanted, cut and drilled the mounting holes in the oak boards, bolted the engine to the boards and then mounted it all on the cart. The whole event went about as smoothly as anything I've done with old iron in a while. I've put a few pictures up at . Today while it was pouring rain outside we sat and listened to it chuff away. There is still quite a bit to do to complete the whole project but we're very excited about where things are at this point! Ah, life is good! Mike From oldironnut at alltel.net Sun Mar 12 15:59:41 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:59:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig-- Correct Web Address Message-ID: Howdy all, We had a GREAT engine weekend. Most of the restoration of the buzz saw cart is complete so it was time to mount the 1907 4 hp Famous on the cart. The engine was on a sub base so we removed it from that, placed it on some blocks to get things measured out like we wanted, cut and drilled the mounting holes in the oak boards, bolted the engine to the boards and then mounted it all on the cart. The whole event went about as smoothly as anything I've done with old iron in a while. I've put a few pictures up at . Today while it was pouring rain outside we sat and listened to it chuff away. There is still quite a bit to do to complete the whole project but we're very excited about where things are at this point! Ah, life is good! Mike From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Mar 12 16:35:42 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:35:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] RE: Another engine recovered In-Reply-To: <20060312013602.LTCK19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20060313003531.HOFM3168.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Here are a few pics of the recovery of the big Austral: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06031101.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06031102.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06031103.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06031104.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06031105.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06031108.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 12 16:36:58 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:36:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: <44149A5D.7050600@scrtc.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060312155642.025fac50@mail.alltel.net> <44149A5D.7050600@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312193626.022a3e90@mail.alltel.net> At 05:02 PM 3/12/2006, you wrote: >Dave, > Thats probably what the 500 other folks that looked at them at Zolfo > thought. Luckily, the seller found a buyer! > >Tommy Turner Hi Tommy, Yup--one born every minute! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 12 16:38:02 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:38:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: <003b01c64622$debabc10$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312155642.025fac50@mail.alltel.net> <003b01c64622$debabc10$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312193718.025f7240@mail.alltel.net> >You might want to check the pitch to see if it is spot on or >if it's oversize, as well. >Rob It's correct--ie what it should be! Dave From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Mar 12 16:18:32 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:18:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig Message-ID: <20060312.161832.1336.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Lookin' good Mike, thanks for the pictures. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:32:19 -0500 Michael Tucker writes: > Howdy all, > > We had a GREAT engine weekend. Most of the restoration of the buzz > > saw cart is complete so it was time to mount the 1907 4 hp Famous on > > the cart. The engine was on a sub base so we removed it from that, > > placed it on some blocks to get things measured out like we wanted, > > cut and drilled the mounting holes in the oak boards, bolted the > engine to the boards and then mounted it all on the cart. The whole > > event went about as smoothly as anything I've done with old iron in > a > while. I've put a few pictures up at > >. > Today while it was pouring rain outside we sat and listened to it > chuff away. There is still quite a bit to do to complete the whole > > project but we're very excited about where things are at this > point! > > Ah, life is good! > Mike > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 12 16:40:59 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:40:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: <4414A471.9070107@steamengine.com.au> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060312155642.025fac50@mail.alltel.net> <4414A471.9070107@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312193916.02679ba0@mail.alltel.net> At 05:45 PM 3/12/2006, you wrote: >When restoring a block the threaded holes for the studs were eaten away. >It was a bit beyond my skills so I took it to a friend machinist who >drilled them out with the same size bit but "oversize" then tapped them >with the same size tap (yep you guessed it "oversize") then made me new >studs on his lathe with one end to suit the threaded holes and the other >end to suit the nuts (which were still in good nick) from the original >wasted studs. >Want me to ask him if that is the real use for "oversize" or if they were >just convenient and have some other purpose? >Regards >Paul Hi Paul, Yes, please ask your friend what the "real" purpose of the oversize is--and is 1/32 is a "standard" oversize. Thanks! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 12 16:46:59 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:46:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: <01b001c64628$f1e85850$31436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060312155642.025fac50@mail.alltel.net> <01b001c64628$f1e85850$31436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312194110.026c0a30@mail.alltel.net> Hi Jim, Yes, the 1/2 X 12 was a "standard" size until sometime early in the last century. (Can anyone help me here as to when 1/2 X 13 became the "standard" size?) I've run into it (ie 1/2 X 12) on some old iron applications. They tell me that Glenn Karch sometimes still uses 1/2 X 12 set screws, but with a 1/2 X 13 tapped hole. I can not verify this, however, since I've only heard it from one person! Dave At 06:01 PM 3/12/2006, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >I did quite a bit of poking around in the 15th edition of Machinery's >Handbook and was not able to find any reference that would account for >standard threads that are 1/32 oversize. It wasn't a complete blank though >as I found that 1/2-12 is still a standard size. It is no longer part of >the standard commonly used for ordinary American nuts and bolts which is the >UNC or Unified National Coarse threads. If you go way back, this series was >known as USS or United States Standard threads. You can still see this >designation and it's companion, SAE in auto parts stores although neither >standard has existed for well over 60 years. > >!2 thread is a standard that was used, and maybe still is, for things like >packing glands and valve seats which are threaded 12 threads per inch >without regard to diameter. 1/2-12 would probably not be used for this kind >of application but the standard exists, or did in 1957. > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >Hemet, CA , U.S.A. >jd.kirkes at verizon.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:41 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > > >Hi Arnie, > I just looked at the taps carefully and all of them (except the >1/2" X 12--which is marked GTD and not Wiley & Russell) have 1/32 stamped >on them as well. I just measured the Wiley and Russell taps ( 3/4', 5/8", >and 7/16") and found them to be between .025" and .031' OVERSIZE. 1/32" >equates to .03125". That would seem to mean that the whole set (dies and >taps) are 1/32 oversize. > The question would now seem to be "Why would anyone want a set >that is 1/32 oversize?" > Dave >PS, The 1/32 is NOT an owners mark nor does it indicate 1 out of 32. I'm >sure it indicates 1/32 oversize--the question is WHY? >PPS, "Fig 222" is stamped in black in on the front of the wooden box. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 12 17:31:06 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:31:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig-- Correct Web Address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312202634.026df1a0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Mike, Boy that's a good looking saw cart, but the engine really looks like hell! Given the condition of the engine do you think it will ever look as good as the cart? The pictures were appreciated! I take for granted that the rig will be ready for Portland. Have you asked anyone close to Portland to line up some wood for sawing? Dave >Howdy all, > >We had a GREAT engine weekend. Most of the restoration of the buzz saw >cart is complete so it was time to mount the 1907 4 hp Famous on the >cart. The engine was on a sub base so we removed it from that, placed it >on some blocks to get things measured out like we wanted, cut and drilled >the mounting holes in the oak boards, bolted the engine to the boards and >then mounted it all on the cart. The whole event went about as smoothly >as anything I've done with old iron in a while. I've put a few pictures >up at . Today >while it was pouring rain outside we sat and listened to it chuff >away. There is still quite a bit to do to complete the whole project but >we're very excited about where things are at this point! > >Ah, life is good! >Mike From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 12 18:09:04 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:09:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig In-Reply-To: References: <005201c64524$de181fe0$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <4414D440.1010802@scrtc.com> Good looking set up Mike. If you want to test it out I've got some woods behind the house that you give it the workout! As far as I'm concerned, you can't beat the IH engines. I can sit and listen to them all day. Sawing wood with one wouldn't be so bad (I'll let you be the "tester" though). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Howdy all, > > We had a GREAT engine weekend. Most of the restoration of the buzz > saw cart is complete so it was time to mount the 1907 4 hp Famous on > the cart. The engine was on a sub base so we removed it from that, > placed it on some blocks to get things measured out like we wanted, > cut and drilled the mounting holes in the oak boards, bolted the > engine to the boards and then mounted it all on the cart. The whole > event went about as smoothly as anything I've done with old iron in a > while. I've put a few pictures up at > . > Today while it was pouring rain outside we sat and listened to it > chuff away. There is still quite a bit to do to complete the whole > project but we're very excited about where things are at this point! > > Ah, life is good! > Mike > > From glenn.karch at gte.net Sun Mar 12 18:28:50 2006 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:28:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 1/2" - 12 threads Message-ID: <001f01c64645$e03e39e0$58f8123f@oemcomputer> OK Dave, I will tell my story. The other day I had a casting that needed to be drilled and tapped for a set screw. Since there was plenty of room, I decided a 1/2" diameter screw would be fine. I looked in my set screw collection and found several nice square headed ones that should fit the job. I drilled a 27/64" hole and got out my 1/2" - 13 tap and put the threads in. I took a set screw and started it in but it only went about a turn and a half. H -mmmm. I buffed the threads and tried again. NO luck. I tried a different screw. I ran the tap through the hole again. Still no luck. I tried a wrench on the set screw and it only got tighter. You know where this is going now. So -- I checked the threads on the set screw - surprise - they were 1/2" - 12. If I had known, I had a 1/2" - 12 tap in the tool chest. Anyway, I have seven very fine 1/2" x 12 an inch long if anyone wants any. I suspect that I saw them at a flea market and bought a few and threw them in with the rest. Such is life. Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 12 18:44:52 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:44:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT In-Reply-To: <000601c64627$eeb3afa0$bac98890@chaos> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> <000601c64627$eeb3afa0$bac98890@chaos> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312214306.026eea68@mail.alltel.net> At 05:53 PM 3/12/2006, you wrote: >Undersize or oversize taps will be marked with the nominal size and pitch, >followed by the amount the minimum pitch diameter is over or under basic. >For example, 1/2-13+.010". >More here > >http://www.unionbutterfield.com/tech/taps/Limits.asp Hi derek, Thanks for that information. It was interesting! BUT what in the hell was the purpose of over/undersized taps and dies? Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 12 18:47:32 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:47:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1/2" - 12 threads In-Reply-To: <001f01c64645$e03e39e0$58f8123f@oemcomputer> References: <001f01c64645$e03e39e0$58f8123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312214509.0de288f8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Glenn, I had heard this story before. But since I had only heard it from one person I didn't want to spread it around as THE TRUTH! It's always good to have more than one source! Dave At 09:28 PM 3/12/2006, you wrote: >OK Dave, > >I will tell my story. The other day I had a casting that needed to be >drilled and tapped for a set screw. Since there was plenty of room, I >decided a 1/2" diameter screw would be fine. I looked in my set screw >collection and found several nice square headed ones that should fit the >job. I drilled a 27/64" hole and got out my 1/2" - 13 tap and put the >threads in. I took a set screw and started it in but it only went about a >turn and a half. H -mmmm. I buffed the threads and tried again. NO luck. >I tried a different screw. I ran the tap through the hole again. Still no >luck. I tried a wrench on the set screw and it only got tighter. You know >where this is going now. So -- I checked the threads on the set screw - >surprise - they were 1/2" - 12. If I had known, I had a 1/2" - 12 tap in >the tool chest. Anyway, I have seven very fine 1/2" x 12 an inch long if >anyone wants any. I suspect that I saw them at a flea market and bought a >few and threw them in with the rest. Such is life. > >Glenn Karch >Haubstadt, IN, USA >Hercules Historian > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 12 18:50:26 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:50:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig In-Reply-To: <4414D440.1010802@scrtc.com> References: <005201c64524$de181fe0$240110ac@PAUL2> <4414D440.1010802@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312214759.0de311d0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tommy, Can we consider this an offer to bring Mike some wood to buzz up at Portland? Myself, I'm just hoping that Mike needs some oversize nuts/holes and bolts/studs manufactured! sace At 09:09 PM 3/12/2006, you wrote: >Good looking set up Mike. If you want to test it out I've got some woods >behind the house that you give it the workout! As far as I'm concerned, >you can't beat the IH engines. I can sit and listen to them all >day. Sawing wood with one wouldn't be so bad (I'll let you be the >"tester" though). > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > >>Howdy all, >> >>We had a GREAT engine weekend. Most of the restoration of the buzz saw >>cart is complete so it was time to mount the 1907 4 hp Famous on the >>cart. The engine was on a sub base so we removed it from that, placed it >>on some blocks to get things measured out like we wanted, cut and drilled >>the mounting holes in the oak boards, bolted the engine to the boards and >>then mounted it all on the cart. The whole event went about as smoothly >>as anything I've done with old iron in a while. I've put a few pictures >>up at >>. >>Today while it was pouring rain outside we sat and listened to it chuff >>away. There is still quite a bit to do to complete the whole project but >>we're very excited about where things are at this point! >> >>Ah, life is good! >>Mike >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nick at holden1.net Sun Mar 12 13:10:27 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:10:27 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Re: Lock-Up Garages & Big Cats References: Message-ID: <44148E33.000001.02024@SN049699720452> This cat engine is 42 bhp take a look at http://swri.org/4ORG/d08/DieslTst/cat1m-pc.pdf Nick Nick Holden Banbury (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: John Culp Date: 03/12/06 20:40:39 To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Re: Lock-Up Garages & Big Cats > The Cat engines are pure research tools, single cylinder and about > 20bhp. Bore > 5.125" and stroke 6.5", about 2.2 litres! The flywheels were off > which was a > mercy as they went about 4cwt each and were loaded into the back of > the van > separately, toegther with a set of machined and fitted bolts. I've seen one of those Caterpillar oil test engines at Portland. Sweet! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Mar 12 20:31:08 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:31:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New butt buggy Message-ID: <20060312.203109.1336.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I thought some of you might like to see the start of a new but buggy I am building. Pictures at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32115614&f= Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From gibsongus at myway.com Sun Mar 12 22:06:31 2006 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:06:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] New butt buggy Message-ID: <20060313060631.A4E2D233E8@mprdmxin.myway.com> Wheres the seat going to go???or is it remote controled???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 03/12, rdhaskell at juno.com < rdhaskell at juno.com > wrote: From: rdhaskell at juno.com [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, at at lists.antique-tractor.comDate: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:31:08 -0800Subject: [SEL] New butt buggyHi all. I thought some of you might like to see the start of a new butbuggy I am building. Pictures at:http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32115614&f=Ron Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside, CaliforniaUSAhttp://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Sun Mar 12 22:24:34 2006 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:24:34 EST Subject: [SEL] New butt buggy Message-ID: <258.8775304.31466a22@aol.com> In a message dated 3/12/2006 8:57:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: > > Hi all. I thought some of you might like to see the start of a new but > buggy I am building. Pictures at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32115614&f= > > Hi Ron, It's taking shape, good job.....can't wait for more progress pictures! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= --part1_258.8775304.31466a22_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 3/12/2006 8:57:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, rdhaskell at juno.com w= rites:

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http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3D4114826&a=3D30951078&= amp;pw=3D From lyle45859 at netzero.com Sun Mar 12 22:33:02 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:33:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c64667$fb558720$21978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Tried looking at the pictures and the web site said that you had deleted the pictures. Are you planning on putting them back up? Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig Howdy all, We had a GREAT engine weekend. Most of the restoration of the buzz saw cart is complete so it was time to mount the 1907 4 hp Famous on the cart. The engine was on a sub base so we removed it from that, placed it on some blocks to get things measured out like we wanted, cut and drilled the mounting holes in the oak boards, bolted the engine to the boards and then mounted it all on the cart. The whole event went about as smoothly as anything I've done with old iron in a while. I've put a few pictures up at . Today while it was pouring rain outside we sat and listened to it chuff away. There is still quite a bit to do to complete the whole project but we're very excited about where things are at this point! Ah, life is good! Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jstack1 at verizon.net Sun Mar 12 22:39:08 2006 From: jstack1 at verizon.net (jerry) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:39:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312125106.02659e90@mail.alltel.net> <000601c64627$eeb3afa0$bac98890@chaos> <6.1.2.0.0.20060312214306.026eea68@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <006c01c64668$d5293af0$6401a8c0@yourf78bf48ce2> During my working years I worked on the construction of many power substations which were mostly assembled using bolts however some portions were threaded ie insulator mounts occasionally we would have to fabricate some portion if it were to be threaded it was necessary to use oversize taps to accommodate the use of galvanized bolts to prevent rust the tapped hole would be sprayed with a cold galvanize spray this is my first response to the list hope it works Jerry washington state----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tap & Die Set Help Needed--OT > At 05:53 PM 3/12/2006, you wrote: >>Undersize or oversize taps will be marked with the nominal size and pitch, >>followed by the amount the minimum pitch diameter is over or under basic. >>For example, 1/2-13+.010". >>More here > >>http://www.unionbutterfield.com/tech/taps/Limits.asp > > Hi derek, > Thanks for that information. It was interesting! BUT what in the > hell was the purpose of over/undersized taps and dies? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Mar 13 01:59:58 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:59:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. Message-ID: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Ok , I think the time has come for all SEL members to lay their cards on the table. It would be good to know what we are dealing with so I would like to ask all members to just let us know if they are Metro Sexual or are they Rural Sexual. For my part I am becoming Rural Sexual but there is still a bit of Metro hanging in there. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 13 02:37:34 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:37:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. References: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <005901c6468a$2fe62180$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Sorry, but wot the hell are ya on about?? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > Ok , I think the time has come for all SEL members to lay their cards on > the table. It would be good to know what we are dealing with so I would > like to ask all members to just let us know if they are Metro Sexual or > are they Rural Sexual. For my part I am becoming Rural Sexual but there is > still a bit of Metro hanging in there. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Mar 13 03:04:33 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:04:33 EST Subject: [SEL] New butt buggy Message-ID: <20a.141d72a2.3146abc1@aol.com> In a message dated 3/12/2006 8:58:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: I thought some of you might like to see the start of a new but buggy I am building. Ron, Nice start using recycled old items and some great new ideas - an excellent mixture of old and new. 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Ron,

Nice start using recycled old items and some great new ideas -=20= an=20 excellent mixture of old and new.=20

Francis=20 Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Mar 13 03:10:56 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:10:56 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. References: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000f01c6468e$ce514210$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > Ok , I think the time has come for all SEL members to lay their cards on the > table. It would be good to know what we are dealing with so I would like to > ask all members to just let us know if they are Metro Sexual or are they > Rural Sexual. For my part I am becoming Rural Sexual but there is still a > bit of Metro hanging in there. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au Hi Peter, Not quite sure what you are on about but I sure hope it doesn't involve any sheep! (I thought that only happened in New Zealand & Wales) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Mar 13 03:33:28 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:33:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. In-Reply-To: <000f01c6468e$ce514210$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <4pbg43$5jkav8@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au> Dave,not sure about those two places but I have seen an old wooly individual from Warrrington on my Skype screen on a regular basis !!!!!!! Hi Peter, Not quite sure what you are on about but I sure hope it doesn't involve any sheep! (I thought that only happened in New Zealand & Wales) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Mar 13 00:17:48 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:17:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. For the Aussies. Message-ID: <200603131421750.SM00948@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, Who watched the cricket yesterday? (S.A. vs. Australia). What an incredible game! The count of records broken so far stands at about 12 with others still coming up. It matters not who won - just such an incredible game. This is not, strictly speaking "Off Topic" as I was working on my Ronnie N listening to the game on the radio but it got so exciting that I had to eventually stop and go into the house and watch it on TV. So it delayed the restoration of the Ronnie by a good few hours and that makes it "On Topic" !! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Mar 13 04:36:03 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:36:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. For the Aussies. References: <200603131421750.SM00948@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <001901c6469a$b27bbf00$1584dccb@oemcomputer> Hi Jerry.I stayed up all nite and watched the game.It finished here at about 3.30 in the morning and yes it was one hell of a game of Cricket!!! EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:17 Subject: [SEL] O.T. For the Aussies. > Hi Guys, > Who watched the cricket yesterday? (S.A. vs. Australia). What an > incredible game! The count of records broken so far stands at about 12 with > others still coming up. It matters not who won - just such an incredible game. > This is not, strictly speaking "Off Topic" as I was working on my > Ronnie N listening to the game on the radio but it got so exciting that I > had to eventually stop and go into the house and watch it on TV. So it > delayed the restoration of the Ronnie by a good few hours and that makes it > "On Topic" !! > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 13 04:48:35 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 04:48:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. In-Reply-To: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4205.165.206.180.19.1142254115.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Oh, good. Are we playing pitch, or is this a fellows poker game? rural and metro what? Huh? Is this some new-fangled left-slanted sexual orientation thing meant to confuse and thus control the masses? I guess I'm neither - I'm good-old-fashioned hetro with none of this PC mumbo-jumbo made-up by the press garbage so they can explain things they simply do not understand. Ya, everytime the press simply doesn't get or understand something, they feel the need to coin a new phrase. And we all know what the press is, so there, that explains it! Down under in the outback you wait patiently There are more sheep than people down under in the outback So don't wait for me Back home in the outback you're the one girl I know But up here in Sydney they come and they go How daintilly and gaily they skip down the street And when I look at them I think of you and your size eleven feet Down under in the outback you wait patiently There are more sheep than people down under in the outback So don't wait for me The boomerang is an Australian device You sling it away and it's back in a trice It's harder to lose than a cold in the head And when I think of it I think of you, and errck, enough said Down under in the outback you wait patiently There are more sheep than people down under in the outback So don't wait for me The outback is dry and the sun, how it bakes You're pestered by insects and bitten by snakes They reckon it's a land that lives under a curse And when I think of it I think of you, and that makes it worse Down under in the outback you wait patiently There are more sheep than people down under in the outback So don't wait for me Bill Runnells, Iowa, USA Down by the river where the deer and the bunnies play and whoopie the old-fashioned way > Ok , I think the time has come for all SEL members to lay their cards on > the > table. It would be good to know what we are dealing with so I would like > to > ask all members to just let us know if they are Metro Sexual or are they > Rural Sexual. For my part I am becoming Rural Sexual but there is still a > bit of Metro hanging in there. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mogul460 at localnet.com Mon Mar 13 04:48:56 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:48:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. References: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3> <000f01c6468e$ce514210$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <001c01c6469c$7f1b0ec0$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> No maybe he means these questions asked on my Grand Father's Record of Birth dated 1874 : Place of Birth----- Street---- Child's Name---- Date of Birth---- Sex---Colar--- Living or Stillborn--- No. of Child,1st,2nd,etc.----No. of Children of this mother still living--- Legitimate or Illigitimate--- Father's Name---Father's Bithplace--- Father's Residence---- Street---- Father's Occupation---- Mother's Maiden Name---Color--- Age--- Mother's Residence---- Mother's Birthplace--- Mother's Occupation-- Name and address of Physician (or other person) reporting said birth----Date when received by Town Clerk---- Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine (where winter passed us by) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:59 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > > >> Ok , I think the time has come for all SEL members to lay their cards on >> the table. It would be good to know what we are dealing with so I would >> like to ask all members to just let us know if they are Metro Sexual or >> are they Rural Sexual. For my part I am becoming Rural Sexual but there >> is still a bit of Metro hanging in there. >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au > > Hi Peter, Not quite sure what you are on about but I > sure hope it doesn't involve any sheep! > (I thought that only happened in New Zealand & Wales) > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/2006 From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Mar 13 05:33:12 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:33:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig-- Correct Web Address In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312202634.026df1a0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060312202634.026df1a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060313081253.0206e488@alltel.net> > Boy that's a good looking saw cart, but the engine really > looks like hell! Given the condition of the engine do you think it > will ever look as good as the cart? The pictures were appreciated! > I take for granted that the rig will be ready for Portland. Have > you asked anyone close to Portland to line up some wood for sawing? Dave, After we got the tie dyed Famous mounted on the cart was the first time that Susan's dad decided that you had not screwed me on how much you charged me for the cart! Up until that point he was pretty convinced that you made out like a bandit by getting me to get that hunk 'o junk off your property :-)! If things go right you'll see it sawing at both the SIAM and Portland shows. As for wood I should be able to bring a reasonable supply of small cedar logs to keep myself busy. See ya', Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 13 05:52:41 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:52:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sweet Message-ID: Jezz Mr. Maples...thought fer sure you'd jump on this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4618565396 She is a purdy one. RickinMt. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 13 06:06:39 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:06:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous buzz saw rig In-Reply-To: <4414D440.1010802@scrtc.com> References: <005201c64524$de181fe0$240110ac@PAUL2> <4414D440.1010802@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <44157C6F.8060507@imc-group.com> Tommy, I seem to recall you testing out a Famous saw rig at an Elementary school in Midway. I think you had a real knack for it. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. What is the count for IHC sawrigs at SIAM this year? Curt's 8HP, Steve's 4HP, Mike's 4HP, anyone else? Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Good looking set up Mike. If you want to test it out I've got some > woods behind the house that you give it the workout! As far as I'm > concerned, you can't beat the IH engines. I can sit and listen to > them all day. Sawing wood with one wouldn't be so bad (I'll let you > be the "tester" though). > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 13 06:13:43 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:13:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. For the Aussies. In-Reply-To: <001901c6469a$b27bbf00$1584dccb@oemcomputer> References: <200603131421750.SM00948@new.databak.co.za> <001901c6469a$b27bbf00$1584dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060313091137.022cb6d0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Edd, It's still too early in the season for the crickets to be out here in the Northern part of the USA. Another two months and we will be able to play with them. Most of us simply use them for bait when fishing! Dave At 07:36 AM 3/13/2006, you wrote: >Hi Jerry.I stayed up all nite and watched the game.It finished here at about >3.30 in the morning and yes it was one hell of a game of Cricket!!! >EDD PAYNE >PO BOX 364 GULGONG >New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >0263742387 >edsingns at winsoft.net.au >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jerry Evans" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:17 >Subject: [SEL] O.T. For the Aussies. > > > > Hi Guys, > > Who watched the cricket yesterday? (S.A. vs. Australia). What an > > incredible game! The count of records broken so far stands at about 12 >with > > others still coming up. It matters not who won - just such an incredible >game. > > This is not, strictly speaking "Off Topic" as I was working on my > > Ronnie N listening to the game on the radio but it got so exciting that I > > had to eventually stop and go into the house and watch it on TV. So it > > delayed the restoration of the Ronnie by a good few hours and that makes >it > > "On Topic" !! > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 12 21:39:05 2006 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:39:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test References: <018201c61cbc$f5f6a810$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <001001c64660$7110d0d0$6945693a@morris> test only 4.38pm From ihcboggs at jayco.net Mon Mar 13 06:24:47 2006 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne & Casey Boggs) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:24:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] INTERNATIONAL UNDERSTRIKES Message-ID: <000c01c646a9$e55f4040$2c5428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Does anyone know of anything out there on the subject of understrikes??? Just talked to a gentleman who HAD one. Since none of his numbers matched up to anything and there wasn't any info out there, he just basically junked one. He broke the flywheels and just about everything else on the engine. I just wish on that type of engine, there was more info out there so these rare type of engines don't get destroyed. Thanks DeWayne & Casey Boggs From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Mar 13 08:37:24 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:37:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New butt buggy Message-ID: <20060313.083725.206.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Gus. Seat??? I knew I was forgetting something. and maybe some kind of steering wheel? I just tackle one problem at a time, things fall into place as I go. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:06:31 -0500 (EST) "Gus" writes: > Wheres the seat going to go???or is it remote > controled???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 03/12, From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Mar 13 08:42:35 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:42:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] INTERNATIONAL UNDERSTRIKES In-Reply-To: <000c01c646a9$e55f4040$2c5428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> References: <000c01c646a9$e55f4040$2c5428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060313083321.02c04ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ihm/ to see some pictures of a 1918 1 1/2 hp. understrike which is most likely our next major restoration project. Major missing part is the 2 needle valve carburetor. Haven't seen too much information specifically related to the understrike but there is a lot of International M material out there. Regards, Larry At 06:24 AM 3/13/2006, you wrote: >Does anyone know of anything out there on the subject of >understrikes??? Just talked to a gentleman who HAD one. Since none of >his numbers matched up to anything and there wasn't any info out there, he >just basically junked one. He broke the flywheels and just about >everything else on the engine. I just wish on that type of engine, there >was more info out there so these rare type of engines don't get destroyed. >Thanks >DeWayne & Casey Boggs >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Mar 13 08:51:41 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:51:41 EST Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3HP Indentification Message-ID: <1ac.49b3ce04.3146fd1d@aol.com> Hi List, The IHC M 3 HP, I acquired recently, has been identified as an understrike igniter model. After getting the engine, I ordered and received an IHC manual. There were several things in the manual that didn't seem to make sense to me. The pictures of the cam mechanism (in the manual) didn't look like the same items on my engine. Thanks through the efforts of Brian Mellon and DeWayne Boggs, they were able to correctly identify the engine. DeWayne also let me know that many of the parts are unique to this engine and are NOT interchangeable with other igniter IHC M 3HP models. I was just about to order some items for the engine but I wasn't fully positive they would fit. It was I good thing that I asked about the incompatibilty between the manual (overstrike model) and my engine (understrike) before placing the order. Since the engine came without an igniter, fuel pump, crankcase breather, or magneto, does anyone know where I obtain these items? The more I get into this hobby, the more I learn about other collectors who are willing to share their wealth of knowledge with others. I also have learned that engine manufacturers made design changes within the same production run which are not readily apparent to the novice (like me). Again thanks to the list for sharing. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1142268701 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi List,

Since the engine came without an igniter, fuel pump, crankcase=20 breather, or magneto, does anyone know where I obtain these=20 items?

Again thanks to the list for sharing.=20

Francis=20 Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

Hi List,

Since the engine came without an igniter, fuel pump, crankcase=20 > breather, or magneto, does anyone know where I obtain these=20 > items?

Again thanks to the list for sharing.=20 >

>
>Francis=20 > Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

Hi List,

Since the engine came without an igniter, fuel pump, crankcase=20 > breather, or magneto, does anyone know where I obtain these=20 > items?

Again thanks to the list for sharing.=20 >

>
>Francis=20 > Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

Hiya Joe,

Say wasn't there a thread recently about Missy googling herself while
Curt was out of town?

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

If you ever "google" yourself you might be surprised how much you can

Amazing,

Joe "Pip" Betz said that.


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Hi Curt.

I think I sent the whole album. If you are dialup don't op= en=20 it. If not its deck1 007. I'll try to send it again later.

Sorry

Mike

I've tried a BFH without any results. Any Ideas?

Mike Semanoff

Howdy Folks,

I was cleaning out an old tool box I grabbed from an estate sale a couple years ago and found an old wrench that says Planet Jr. on each side.

One end is an 11/16' open end and the other end will fit a 5/8 square, then if you flip it over it fits a 1/2" square nut.

Are these common sizes on a Planet Junior tractor?

Did a wrench like this come with every tractor?

Thanks,

Alan Bowen

Williamsburg, Michigan

Yup, Dave.

That's the one.

I was just getting ready to snap a picture and put it on-line.

That picture looks just right though.

If anything,,,,,, Mine has more of the well earned original rust like finish. 8>))

Alan Bowen

Williamsburg, Michigan

Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Bowen"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr Wrench

> Howdy Folks,
> I was cleaning out an old tool box I grabbed from an estate sale a couple years ago and found an old wrench that says Planet Jr.
> on each side.
> One end is an 11/16' open end and the other end will fit a 5/8 square, then if you flip it over it fits a 1/2" square nut.
> Are these common sizes on a Planet Junior tractor?
> Did a wrench like this come with every tractor?
> Thanks, Alan Bowen

Hi Alan, see http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/malon/items/215627/item215627cyberattic.html
Is that the spanner?
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

My Bad,,,

I saw the picture, but I didn't read the text right.

either his wrench has different sizes everywhere, or he can't use a tape measure.

Alan

Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Yup, Dave.

That's the one.

I was just getting ready to snap a picture and put it on-line.

That picture looks just right though.

If anything,,,,,, Mine has more of the well earned original rust like finish. 8>))

Alan Bowen

Williamsburg, Michigan

Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Bowen"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Planet Jr Wrench

> Howdy Folks,
> I was cleaning out an old tool box I grabbed from an estate sale a couple years ago and found an old wrench that says Planet Jr.
> on each side.
> One end is an 11/16' open end and the other end will fit a 5/8 square, then if you flip it over it fits a 1/2" square nut.
> Are these common sizes on a Planet Junior tractor?
> Did a wrench like this come with every tractor?
> Thanks, Alan Bowen

Hi Alan, see http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/malon/items/215627/item215627cyberattic.html
Is that the spanner?
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

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IF I had known you were gonna give one away so cheap I would have mailed you a money order and met you at the swap to grab it.

Alan Bowen

Williamsburg, Michigan

Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

This seems a bit high to me, considering its bringing probably what the
running engine will. I had one identical to this that I sold at the
Portland Swap Meet last year for $100. I thought I did OK but looks
like I was a bit off on the actual value. Is this a case of 2 guys who
just "have to have it" or what?

Ebay item # 7597583251 or click on link below

http://cgi.ebay.com/CLUTCH-PULLEY-for-Fairbanks-Morse-6hp-Z-Hit-Miss-Engine_W0QQitemZ7597583251QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY

Hi Tom,

Thanks for the tour.

Ron Frost

Kersey, PA

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

Yesterday was a great engine day. For years I have passed by a historic home
near us and knew that Millie's (my wife) grandfather had installed the
original Delco light plant in the home. The folks that lived there were very
private not letting anyone on the property. A lawyer friend has recently purchased
the property and yesterday I visited with him and the light plant is still
there, mostly intact in the plant house, minus the batteries, sorry to say. It is
mine and I have a friend who is a light plant collector coming tomorrow to
help me evaluate it and determine a fair price to pay my friend. It will be an
easy extraction. I do not have any light plants and really only want this one
due to the family ties. My friend is an attorney and is in the process of
starting renovations that will take the house to its original grandiose! Pictures
can be seen at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco1
http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco2
http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco3
http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco4
http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco5

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk Sun Mar 19 22:05:17 2006 From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 06:05:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060319091745.0dc99328@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060320060517.51995.qmail@web26315.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Congratulations on getting it up! A.M. --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > The site is now up. > Dave ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos ? NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Mar 20 07:12:45 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:12:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day In-Reply-To: <2c6.5a8fee1.314f4ca6@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060320070624.01b8d430@mail.pennswoods.net> Any of you fine people that would want a 18 volt dc generator i will make you a deal you can't refuse. It was set up in a tow truck with 6 6volt batteries [[i think ]] ant was used for jump starting. It runs good is an onan motor and gen. Contact me off list will be moving with in next 60 days. R Fink PA At 07:09 PM 3/19/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Yesterday was a great engine day. For years I have passed by a historic home >near us and knew that Millie's (my wife) grandfather had installed the >original Delco light plant in the home. The folks that lived there were very >private not letting anyone on the property. A lawyer friend has recently >purchased >the property and yesterday I visited with him and the light plant is still >there, mostly intact in the plant house, minus the batteries, sorry to >say. It is >mine and I have a friend who is a light plant collector coming tomorrow to >help me evaluate it and determine a fair price to pay my friend. It will >be an >easy extraction. I do not have any light plants and really only want this >one >due to the family ties. My friend is an attorney and is in the process of >starting renovations that will take the house to its original grandiose! >Pictures >can be seen at: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco1 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco2 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco3 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco4 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco5 > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 20 06:50:48 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:50:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day References: <2c6.5a8fee1.314f4ca6@aol.com> Message-ID: Wow Tom....BIG WOW on the last one. Thanx RickinMt. > Yesterday was a great engine day. For years I have passed by a historic > home > near us and knew that Millie's (my wife) grandfather had installed the > original Delco light plant in the home. The folks that lived there were > very > private not letting anyone on the property. A lawyer friend has recently > purchased > the property and yesterday I visited with him and the light plant is still > there, mostly intact in the plant house, minus the batteries, sorry to > say. It is > mine and I have a friend who is a light plant collector coming tomorrow to > help me evaluate it and determine a fair price to pay my friend. It will > be an > easy extraction. I do not have any light plants and really only want this > one > due to the family ties. My friend is an attorney and is in the process of > starting renovations that will take the house to its original grandiose! > Pictures > can be seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco1 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco2 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco3 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco4 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco5 > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Mar 20 08:56:07 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:56:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures In-Reply-To: <200603181700.k2IH04uC030433@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: > 12. Zolfo 2006 Pictures (Dave Rotigel) > >Message: 12 >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:08:01 -0500 >From: Dave Rotigel >Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317200535.0dba7a80 at mail.alltel.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Hi All, > The 2006 Zolfo Show pictures are now up on my HP. Go to: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on Shows to see them. > Dave > > > There is a little red engine near the top-center of the page that had two oilers on top. What kind of engine is this? From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 20 09:38:18 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:38:18 EST Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: <1bd.ce084.3150428a@aol.com> In a message dated 3/19/2006 8:29:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, ron217_2000 at yahoo.com writes: << http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco5 >> I should have noted that the "plant house" can be seen in the above photo at the rear of the house. For some reason it was 2 stories high. The exhaust pipe stuck out the rear of the house and was taken off when they quit using it. The piping is stored near the generator and seems to have a muffler attached, but covered by other junk. Will have more once it all comes out of the house. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Mar 20 12:45:20 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:45:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures Message-ID: <20060320.124520.85.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Andy. I believe that is an Edwards. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:56:07 -0500 "Andy Glines" writes: > > > > 12. Zolfo 2006 Pictures (Dave Rotigel) > > > >Message: 12 > >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:08:01 -0500 > >From: Dave Rotigel > >Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures > >To: The SEL email discussion list > > >Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317200535.0dba7a80 at mail.alltel.net> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > >Hi All, > > The 2006 Zolfo Show pictures are now up on my HP. Go to: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on Shows to see > them. > > Dave > > > > > > > There is a little red engine near the top-center of the page that > had two > oilers on top. What kind of engine is this? > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 20 13:06:21 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:06:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures References: <20060320.124520.85.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: and another view of one up in Kalispell, Mt. http://community.webshots.com/photo/49657573/1049827223039077051WceiTL RickinMt. PS..THANKS Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D Haskell" To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures > Hi Andy. > I believe that is an Edwards. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside California USA > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:56:07 -0500 "Andy Glines" > writes: > > > > > > > 12. Zolfo 2006 Pictures (Dave Rotigel) > > > > > >Message: 12 > > >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:08:01 -0500 > > >From: Dave Rotigel > > >Subject: [SEL] Zolfo 2006 Pictures > > >To: The SEL email discussion list > > > > >Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060317200535.0dba7a80 at mail.alltel.net> > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > >Hi All, > > > The 2006 Zolfo Show pictures are now up on my HP. Go to: > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on Shows to see > > them. > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > There is a little red engine near the top-center of the page that > > had two > > oilers on top. What kind of engine is this? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Mar 20 17:25:15 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:25:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT- Maytag washer Message-ID: <01ae01c64c86$4f5fe0d0$42b6f504@Ed> Some one may want to help Al find a Maytag engine. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: JAnsen4444 at aol.com To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:01 PM Subject: Maytag washer Hi folks ~~~ My first time asking the indulgance of this great, friendly 'n most often ~ helpful group!! I've recently aquired a Maytag washer less its original gas engine but works VERY well w/a small 'lectric motor. The S/N is 431513 but NO obvious model #. Lookin therefore for ANY info or data 'bout these machines in the form of owners manuals or parts manuals, (New or readable reprints) approximate mfg. date or ANY misc info or data that anyone might be willing to share. Also wud be interested in purchasing 'n orig type engine for same at a reasonable price. I thank u all for ANY help 'n info that might be forthcoming !!!! Al Boyer Tolland CT USA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Mar 21 03:18:57 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:18:57 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Jerry's timber Message-ID: <000601c64cd9$429c1fa0$3ac131cb@ogborneuah38i3> Reg ......Eucalyptus Saligna, Sydney Blue Gum, a very Australian Timber. Acacia Saligna, Coojong ,couldn't get more Australian than these two. What Jerry wants is the first for his Ronnie.............sorry to be a pain in the arse! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From plb at iinet.net.au Tue Mar 21 03:45:30 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:45:30 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Jerry's timber In-Reply-To: <000601c64cd9$429c1fa0$3ac131cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4sssth$jqqr53@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au> Well you should be able to get plenty of that Peter. Looks like they grow more Blue Gums down there than anything else!! Ray Freeman Perth W.Australia -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Tuesday, 21 March 2006 7:19 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Jerry's timber Reg ......Eucalyptus Saligna, Sydney Blue Gum, a very Australian Timber. Acacia Saligna, Coojong ,couldn't get more Australian than these two. What Jerry wants is the first for his Ronnie.............sorry to be a pain in the arse! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 21 12:18:20 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:18:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Jerry's timber References: <000601c64cd9$429c1fa0$3ac131cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <028a01c64d24$9b2ce550$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I was referring to the timber I made the crate out of. It was NOT Oz wood. You note he was thinking it was. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Jerry's timber > Reg ......Eucalyptus Saligna, Sydney Blue Gum, a very Australian Timber. > Acacia Saligna, Coojong ,couldn't get more Australian than these two. > What Jerry wants is the first for his Ronnie.............sorry to be a > pain in the arse! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdi at rochester.rr.com Tue Mar 21 18:31:25 2006 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:31:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures References: <200603211700.k2LH04s7020528@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <000401c64d58$b78d7640$a8f0e448@rochester.rr.com> >> "Andy Glines" >> writes: > > > 12. Zolfo 2006 Pictures (Dave Rotigel) > > > ... http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ and click on Shows >>... > > There is a little red engine near the top-center of the page that > > had two oilers on top. What kind of engine is this? > > From: Ron D Haskell > Hi Andy. > I believe that is an Edwards. > Yep, it's surely an Edwards. I have an original ad from Jan., 1924 scanned & up on the web at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Edwards1.jpg -Rick I. From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Tue Mar 21 23:09:46 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:39:46 +1030 Subject: [SEL] auction (steam) with belts Message-ID: <000b01c64d7f$9aa2be60$fdcb8890@chaos> http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?&AuctionNo=160 A lot of steam gear but says " Over 1,100 Lots in this Auction! Many Belt Related Items " Looks like you get an urchin with each lot :-) From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Mar 22 13:01:58 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:01:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures In-Reply-To: <200603221700.k2MH04IX019289@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for the answers. I had never seen an engine like the "Edwards" before. > 2. RE: Zolfo 2006 Pictures (Rick I.) > > > >Yep, it's surely an Edwards. I have an original ad from Jan., 1924 scanned >& up on the web at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Edwards1.jpg > >-Rick I. > > From glenn.karch at gte.net Wed Mar 22 16:48:21 2006 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:48:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 52 Message-ID: <001401c64e13$7f10f240$9ae9123f@oemcomputer> Hi, Can anyone out there give me the diameter and width of the flywheels on a Fairbanks Morse 52? Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 22 19:04:27 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:04:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 52 In-Reply-To: <001401c64e13$7f10f240$9ae9123f@oemcomputer> References: <001401c64e13$7f10f240$9ae9123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <023c8c0e9ac0c8a6882f7123f3153c17@chartertn.net> Hang on, let me go measure... Looks like 16" diameter x 2 1/2" rim faces on my oilfield model. John On Mar 22, 2006, at 7:48 PM, Glenn A Karch wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone out there give me the diameter and width of the flywheels > on a > Fairbanks Morse 52? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 24 10:32:25 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:32:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Delete Me - Off Topic - Test Message-ID: This is a test of the SEL e-mail system, this is only a test.......... Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Mar 24 16:19:49 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:19:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Belt power question In-Reply-To: <4sssth$jqqr53@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <20060325002111.77FA7313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> I'm wanting to create some displays to run with engines. Question - how much horsepower can be transmitted by a belt say the size of an old fan belt from a car, or an A/C belt. I have a LOT of old belts I've collected over the years. I've used them for small things like squirrel cage fans and such powered by my engines, but I was wondering, if I get more serious, how much HP can a "fan belt" actually transmit? Heck, how much HP does a car fan take? Can't be much.... And an alternator cranking out 65 amps is drawing what, a bit over 1 hp? Bill Runnells, Iowa USA........... From mholland at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 24 17:56:54 2006 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:56:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Belt power question In-Reply-To: <20060325002111.77FA7313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> References: <4sssth$jqqr53@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au> <20060325002111.77FA7313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <1098.65.6.250.79.1143251814.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Bill, It's 746 watts to the horsepower. Your car alternator is putting out: 65 Amp * 12v = 780 watts. 780/746 = 1.05 Hp As to the belts, one to three horsepower to the belt, but you can get a Gates catolog and it will walk you through the steps to calculate horsepower transmission capacity for sheave size and rpm. Missy Holland > > I'm wanting to create some displays to run with engines. > Question - how much horsepower can be transmitted by a belt say the size > of > an old fan belt from a car, or an A/C belt. > I have a LOT of old belts I've collected over the years. I've used them > for > small things like squirrel cage fans and such powered by my engines, but I > was wondering, if I get more serious, how much HP can a "fan belt" > actually > transmit? > Heck, how much HP does a car fan take? Can't be much.... And an alternator > cranking out 65 amps is drawing what, a bit over 1 hp? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa USA........... > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From glenn.karch at gte.net Fri Mar 24 18:11:06 2006 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:11:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Belt power question References: <20060325002111.77FA7313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000f01c64fb1$62892a80$20a8123f@oemcomputer> Bill, I can't answer your horse power question directly, but here's one from experience. Several years ago we rigged up a 12 volt alternator to be run off the flywheel of an 1 1/2 HP IHC M engine. We used an old V belt from the flywheel to the alternator. We rigged up an electric line with sockets for 12 volt 100 watt bulbs. It pulled one bulb fine, the second made a noticable load and the third bulb about killed the engine. Figure from there. The belt never slipped that we could tell. Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Belt power question > > I'm wanting to create some displays to run with engines. > Question - how much horsepower can be transmitted by a belt say the size of > an old fan belt from a car, or an A/C belt. > I have a LOT of old belts I've collected over the years. I've used them for > small things like squirrel cage fans and such powered by my engines, but I > was wondering, if I get more serious, how much HP can a "fan belt" actually > transmit? > Heck, how much HP does a car fan take? Can't be much.... And an alternator > cranking out 65 amps is drawing what, a bit over 1 hp? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa USA........... > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Fri Mar 24 19:02:05 2006 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:02:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Belt power question In-Reply-To: <20060325002111.77FA7313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Mar 26 07:36:30 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:36:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ruston 2HR restoration. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060326104732.00a8c0b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <200603261536.k2QFacji027107@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 12:50 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Ruston 2HR restoration. Hi All, I've put up pics and story of the Ruston & Hornsby 2HR that has just been restored by Neville Botha. I hope you enjoy the pics Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thank you, Jerry, for posting the pictures and the interesting narrative. It was the next best thing to being there, in person. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Mar 26 07:40:09 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:40:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question Message-ID: <2e9.433c31c.31580fd9@aol.com> In a message dated 3/25/2006 9:40:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, gibsongus at myway.com writes: FR. ask Rob and he will tell you how it works...----------------- Thanks Gus. I am planning to go to Tulare next month and I hope to see him at that time. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1143387609 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 3/25/2006 9:40:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20 gibsongus at myway.com writes:

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Francis=20 Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:40:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20 > svsuzanne at copper.net writes:

Dan,

Thanks.

However, there is another question. In operating the > low=20 > tension magneto without being connected to the ignitor (open circuit) will > i= > t=20 > cause any damage to the magneto?

PTSIZE=3D"10"= >>Francis=20 > Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

> _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/291 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 > > From bl_6000 at yahoo.com.au Sun Mar 26 13:35:24 2006 From: bl_6000 at yahoo.com.au (Brad Latta) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:35:24 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 24, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <200603261700.k2QH05r0005928@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <20060326213524.97251.qmail@web38010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ruston Move Update (Jerry Evans) > 2. Re: Ruston Move Update (Michael Tucker) > 3. RE: Ruston Move Update (Ken Christison) > 4. Fw: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > (Charles R Bryant) > 5. RE: Ruston Move Update (Keith Kinney) > 6. RE: Magneto/Battery Ignition Question (Gus) > 7. Ruston 2HR restoration. (Jerry Evans) > 8. Re: Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > (svsuzanne at copper.net) > 9. Re: Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > (FRM8198 at aol.com) > 10. RE: Ruston 2HR restoration. (Orrin Iseminger) > 11. Re: Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > (FRM8198 at aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:00:08 +0200 > From: Jerry Evans > Subject: [SEL] Ruston Move Update > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Message-ID: > <5.2.1.1.0.20060325195437.00a9f008 at mail.cyberserv.co.za> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > At 07:00 PM 25/03/2006, you wrote: > >Message: 6 > >Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:03:44 +0000 > >From: Paul Evans > >Subject: [SEL] Ruston Move Update > > > > > >If nothing changes by the end of the month we will > work through all the > >donations and return them. > >Thanks > >Paul > > Hi Paul, > I think Arnie has already said it all. > There will be something > else that needs the funds. I would be really > surprised if any list member > would want his money back - I don't. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:55:16 -0500 > From: Michael Tucker > Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston Move Update > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; > format="flowed" > > >Thanks again to all that helped and sent donations > and messages of > >support. We will send everyone who donated a full > explanation at the > >end of the month. > > Paul, > > I whole heartily agree with Rob and Arnie, keep > working to try and > save this Ruston but if that doesn't work out please > put my small > donation in the upcoming project fund. I gave that > money freely > knowing that nothing was guaranteed in the whole > "save the Ruston" > project. You do fantastic work for he preservation > of old iron and I > am very happy to provide at least a little financial > support for your > amazing efforts. Hopefully in this case the other > owner will come to > their senses and donate the engine to the museum. > Keep up the GREAT > work and let us know how it turns out. > > Take care, > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:39:14 -0500 > From: "Ken Christison" > Subject: RE: [SEL] Ruston Move Update > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Message-ID: <410-22006302603914640 at coastalnet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Paul, > > Add my "Amen" to the other folks who know you will > find > good use of the donated funds regardless which > engine or > project it is applied to. > > We all hope this deal will still work out, but I bet > something > else will come along of equal importance if this > doesn't. > > Take care. > > Ken > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:58:36 -0600 > From: "Charles R Bryant" > Subject: Fw: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > To: > Message-ID: > <001101c65081$2dcc3a00$2e01a8c0 at myhome.westell.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > > Francis, > > The Early I.HC's had such a switch on the battery > box. I borrowed > one once from Jim Fehl and Don Oberholtzer made up > a couple for me. Don > might still have some. > > Charlie Bryant > Jay, Maine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:30 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > > > > > > Hi List, > > > There have been several discussions about > starting an engine on battery > > and > > > then switching to magneto. Since I never > thought I would be in a > === message truncated === Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 26 13:56:47 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:56:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie N update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060326234655.00abfde0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, I have been working on "Reggie" the Ronaldson & Tippet Model N that Reg Ingold got for me for the last 3 weeks (on and off). I've put a webpage on my site showing the progress or "telling the story". I plan to update it as and when I work on the engine and as of tonight it is up to date. Be warned that it is quite long so only look when you have a few minutes to spare. I hope you enjoy it. I'm sending this mail out as the page uploads and it looks like it will be up in about 20 minutes. The time here is 12:00 midnight ( GMT +2 hours) so those who get this mail immediately may have to wait a few minutes. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 26 14:03:59 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:03:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question In-Reply-To: <000b01c6511b$32ca8da0$44a40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> References: <30f.11a2b93.31580e9a@aol.com> <000b01c6511b$32ca8da0$44a40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> Message-ID: <8ee9bae85abc29b271b490f136f7c183@chartertn.net> It will hurt something if you hook a battery to a low tension magneto. It'll demagnetize the magnets. John On Mar 26, 2006, at 4:21 PM, wrote: > Naw, won't hurt a thing. Of course when the mag is open circuit you > have to have the battery/coil hooked up or the darn thing won't start > at all. I know this because I've been asleep at the switch a time or > two. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 26 15:10:46 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:10:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie N update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060326234655.00abfde0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060326234655.00abfde0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060326180815.026d87a0@mail.alltel.net> > > I'm sending this mail out as the page uploads and it looks like > it will be up in about 20 minutes. The time here is 12:00 midnight ( GMT > +2 hours) so those who get this mail immediately may have to wait a few > minutes. >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans Looking GOOD Jerry! Thanks for a great story. Be sure to let us know when it's first show will be and be sure to post pictures! Dave PS, Who is the odd looking bloke in http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reggie/reggie3.jpg? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 26 16:05:31 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:05:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie N update References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060326234655.00abfde0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6.1.2.0.0.20060326180815.026d87a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <04ea01c65132$2c387530$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thats rich, coming from you!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" > PS, Who is the odd looking bloke in > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reggie/reggie3.jpg? From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Mar 26 16:31:36 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:31:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question In-Reply-To: <000b01c6511b$32ca8da0$44a40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> Message-ID: <20060327003258.49D09313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Yes, it will. Maybe some of those folks out here don't want to risk it, do what you want, but there is the risk of demagnetizing a low tension mag. If you wanny play Russian roulette with your mag, fine, but I won't suggest it's ok for others to do it. Use a single pole double-throw knife switch and you can do it safely. There's a good clean safe way to do it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of svsuzanne at copper.net Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 3:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question Naw, won't hurt a thing. Of course when the mag is open circuit you have to have the battery/coil hooked up or the darn thing won't start at all. I know this because I've been asleep at the switch a time or two. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > > In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:40:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > svsuzanne at copper.net writes: > > NEVER try to hook a battery directly to a magneto. It's sure death > for the mag. This method of starting an engine works very well but > you must use a double pole switch like a knife switch. One side goes > to a battery and coil and the other pole goes to the mag. The center > contact goes to the igniter. > > > Dan, > Thanks. > In researching this subject (_http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm_ > (http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm) ), I came to the same conclusion. > The > battery/magneto ignition system only works with a low tension system > using an ignitor. Since I have never seen a battery/magneto system > installed on an engine, I wanted to verify the hook up. This setup > is probably used when starting larger engines where it isn't possible > to turn the crankshaft fast enough to get the magneto to generate a > spark. > However, there is another question. In operating the low tension > magneto without being connected to the ignitor (open circuit) will it > cause any damage to the magneto? > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > -------------------------------1143387290 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > charset=3DUS-ASCII"> name=3DGENERATOR> 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY:=20= Arial"=20 > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> id=3Drol= e_document=20 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>

In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:40:27 A.M. Pacific Standard > Time,=20 svsuzanne at copper.net writes:

Dan,

Thanks.

However, there is another question. In operating > the low=20 tension magneto without being connected to the ignitor > (open circuit) will i= t=20 cause any damage to the > magneto?

PTSIZE=3D"10"= >>Francis=20 > Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

> _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/291 - Release Date: > 3/24/2006 > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Mar 27 01:48:49 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:48:49 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Been looking for one of these for years! Message-ID: <000a01c65183$aa0381c0$12218795@ogborneuah38i3> Last Saturday I was given a Stuart Lighting Plant R3 . It is almost complete ,just needs a magneto...a Lucas RS1 .I would be interested to hear from any Australian member who has one of these little lighting plants. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From svsuzanne at copper.net Mon Mar 27 03:16:27 2006 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:16:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question References: <20060327003258.49D09313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <003b01c6518f$e5b55fc0$28a40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> Maybe I read the question wrong. I thought it was about the mag turning but not hooked to the igniter. That would mean the engine was fired by the battery and coil. If it was about hooking the battery to the mag then you are absolutely correct. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > Yes, it will. Maybe some of those folks out here don't want to risk it, do > what you want, but there is the risk of demagnetizing a low tension mag. > > If you wanny play Russian roulette with your mag, fine, but I won't > suggest > it's ok for others to do it. > > Use a single pole double-throw knife switch and you can do it safely. > There's a good clean safe way to do it. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > svsuzanne at copper.net > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 3:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > Naw, won't hurt a thing. Of course when the mag is open circuit you have > to > have the battery/coil hooked up or the darn thing won't start at all. I > know this because I've been asleep at the switch a time or two. > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Magneto/Battery Ignition Question > > >> >> >> In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:40:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> svsuzanne at copper.net writes: >> >> NEVER try to hook a battery directly to a magneto. It's sure death >> for the mag. This method of starting an engine works very well but >> you must use a double pole switch like a knife switch. One side goes >> to a battery and coil and the other pole goes to the mag. The center >> contact goes to the igniter. >> >> >> Dan, >> Thanks. >> In researching this subject (_http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm_ >> (http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm) ), I came to the same conclusion. >> The >> battery/magneto ignition system only works with a low tension system >> using an ignitor. Since I have never seen a battery/magneto system >> installed on an engine, I wanted to verify the hook up. This setup >> is probably used when starting larger engines where it isn't possible >> to turn the crankshaft fast enough to get the magneto to generate a >> spark. >> However, there is another question. In operating the low tension >> magneto without being connected to the ignitor (open circuit) will it >> cause any damage to the magneto? >> >> >> Francis Maciel >> Santa Maria, CA >> >> -------------------------------1143387290 >> Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> >> > charset=3DUS-ASCII"> > name=3DGENERATOR> > 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY:=20= Arial"=20 >> bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7>> id=3Drol= e_document=20 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>

In a message dated 3/26/2006 2:40:27 A.M. Pacific Standard >> Time,=20 svsuzanne at copper.net writes:

Dan,

Thanks.

However, there is another question. In operating >> the low=20 tension magneto without being connected to the ignitor >> (open circuit) will i= t=20 cause any damage to the >> magneto?

> PTSIZE=3D"10"= >>>Francis=20 >> Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

By the way who all is going to Tulare next month?
Dave

>Wink And Ginger will be there with the WAPA bunch.
>
>Wink & Ginger Thornton,

Is this group of which you speak Italian?
Dave

On 3/28/06, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:

>
>Anyone here have experience "replating" old or discoloured fasteners such as
>nuts, bolts, etc.?
>
>I think I heard something about a "kit" from Eastwood - what about doing it
>with parts and/or supplies on-hand?
>One thought is to use a PC power supply, but what about materials/chemicals
>involved?
>Thoughts?
>Bill
>Runnells, Iowa, USA

Spring has sprung

here it 'tis

I wonder where

the flowers is

Big Mike down to one engine&n= bsp; bad health half blind but still alive in=20= Ohio!

Hi all.
This pulley came with my 7 hp Economy, anyone recognize what it might
fit?

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